We're good. >> All right. Welcome everyone. Today is the 28th of October and I will call to order the Madison Common Council Executive Committee meeting. Staff, please call the role. >> President Vidver >> here. >> Vice President Kinder Rajan >> here. Alder Ugar >> here. >> Alder Madison >> here. >> Alder Matthews. >> Um, Alder Lanella >> here. >> Alder Tishler >> here. >> Alder Figuro Cole >> here. >> Alder Matthews >> here. Sorry. >> And I um didn't read back all the names, but for the folks on the Zoom and the recording, all members are present. You have corn. >> Excellent. Thank you. All right. Uh the first item on the agenda is approval of minutes from the last common council uh executive committee meeting. Actually, do we don't have that on this one, do we? We do have it. All right. Sorry. >> The special >> the special meeting on the seventh. Okay. >> Thank you. Uh approval of the minutes from the uh October 7th meeting. Um Vice President Gavin Rajin, can I get a motion on the minutes? >> Motion to approve minutes. >> Second. Second. >> Thank you. Any discussion? [clears throat] Is there any objection to recording unanimous unanimous vote in approval of the minutes? Seeing none, we will record a unanimous vote. All right. Um, do we have any public comment? We do not. Fantastic. Um, do we have any disclosures or recusals? See none. Uh the first item up on our agenda then now of course I've lost it um is uh item two uh legisar 90214 amending various sections of the Madison general ordinances to correct inconsistencies and improper references in the Madison general ordinances constituting a 2025 city attorney revisers ordinance. Uh can I get a motion on this vice president? >> Motion to approve. Thank you. And then I will turn it Oh, you can't second. Sorry. >> Okay. Sorry. Okay. We have a second. Second from Alder Linkella. Um and I will turn this over to the city attorney. >> Thank you. Um this is one in our series of revisers ordinances which we bring um to the council periodically to correct errors in the ordinances that are uh clerical or things that uh uh cite the wrong statute. if there's been an updated statute. Um, and the ordinances authorize our office to create these to to draft these ordinances and bring them to you. The as you look see in the drafter's ordinance uh drafter's analysis, most of these are just grammatical errors uh correcting the spelling of a word. the the two I guess I would point out that are kind of most significant is um the middle section there you can see sections in chapter 28 the zoning code um are being repealed because they had been moved to chapter 21 previously just had at the time we did not um uh repeal them from the from chapter 28 that takes up most of actually the text and then also of note is the last one which was the um um uh it's called the habitually intoxicated persons ordinance and that ordinance actually said that it sunset in 2015. So it has not been in effect for 10 years. It just was not taken off the books and so we're just getting that cleaned up. So um that's all really this ordinance does. If you have any questions, I can try to answer, but it's most just basically as I said to correct things that are grammatical or technical in nature. Thank you. Are there questions for staff? >> This is okay. Sorry. Seeing none, is there any discussion? Seeing none, is there any objection to recording a unanimous approval in favor of this item? Seeing none, we'll record a unanimous vote in favor of this item. And we will move on to item three, legisar 88483. Uh so this one we have a substitute that is going to be a second substitute. Okay. Amen. This current substitute in legisar amending section 2.0 103 of the Madison general ordinances related to alder vacancies to add detail to the application process and information to be submitted by application applicants to fill vacancies on the common council. So I'm just asking for process help here since I know that we have a second substitute. Do we have to move the >> original substitute? >> Move the second sub. >> Move this. >> Yeah. Vice President Gavinder will want to move the second. >> Okay. Vice President Ginder, would you like to >> motion to adopt second substitute? >> All folks, can folks please speak into the microphone? Thank you. >> That's probably me. Okay. Uh, >> did everyone receive the text of the second substitute in your at least in your email? Okay, great. Is there a second for the motion? Okay. Alder Yugger will second. >> Thank you. All right. Uh, Alder Gavender Rajin, would you like to speak to this? >> Yes. Thank you. First of all, can everyone somewhat hear me? All right. >> Yes. >> Great. I'm at the O'Hare airport, so just wanted to check. Um, you would have received an email yesterday, but the language is also in legar. Uh, this is the second substitute, which has been amended from the discussion the last time we spoke about this ordinance. Um major changes here from last time are uh we have or I have removed the requirement for the social media uh to be included in the applications. I believe Alder Yugir and Tishler had some concerns uh that they validly brought up last time um which made a lot of sense. So that has been removed and no longer be required. Um another requirement, sorry just finding it here real quick. Um the other remov uh removal was um that CC had to hold the meeting in person at the district of where the vacancy occurs. That was never supposed to be in the draft last time anyway. So that's just been clarified and removed at this time. And the final change is changing the language uh saying that the application materials have to be update um uploaded onto the legislative information website to now saying it has to be uploaded onto the common council web page. This happened after discussion with the common council chief of staff um to allow some flexibility in when the agenda comes out. If it had been just the legislative information website, which is legisar, then the CCEC agenda would have to come out one or two days early, which adds more work time for staff. But now, since the language just says the common council web page, it allows staff to put out the application materials um on our city council website instead of just legisar, but I'm sure it can also be on legisar later as well. So, those are the major changes from last time, but overall this substitute ordinance still um has it it lays out a little bit of a better timeline process for filling the alder vacancy when it occurs. Um and I also uploaded onto legisar through staff um an example of what would happen if there was a hypothetical resignation or vacancy if one was to occur today. So that's attached on to register. All of you should be able to see that. Um but I can also read that out loud if anyone needs that as well. That's all. Thank you. >> Just a note, the legisl link is not currently working. >> That's great. Thanks >> par for the course. >> All right. Um questions for staff. We do have our clerk here. >> Thank you. Okay, hold on. >> Um, you >> this would be a question for attorney Hos. Are there any consequences if the dates that are specified here are not met? >> Uh, it's a good question. I think the answer is no. I I think these are what we would call um directory um what the courts would call directory ordinances which is mean which means it directs staff to do things in a certain time period but there are no consequences spelled out in the ordinance for failure to in other words failure to meet those deadlines. In other words, it would not it would not affect the legitimacy of an appointment. Okay, if the uh timelines were not strictly adeared to. So a disappointed applicant could not take issue >> right because a date was missed for for whatever reason. We I think it would be up to the you know council to decide if you know uh if the timeline was not followed exactly if that was important enough >> to you know extend the deadlines or things like that but yeah I don't think there would be a legal basis for challenging it based on that. So we don't we don't need any of the kind of I'll I'll refer to them as weasel words [laughter] that uh are reasonable best effort or something that this really no consequences here that we need to worry about. >> No, I don't I don't think so. >> Okay. Thank you, >> Alder Figuro. >> Um I'm sorry I didn't hear what else was added to legisar since I cannot open that file. What else was that? It I mean I had the file that was sent to via mail. What else are we talking about? >> I think he said he put a time like a sample timeline of what would happen, but that's Go ahead MJR or excuse me, Alder Griven. I'm sorry. >> It's a it's a short enough file. So if that's okay, I can just read it out loud. Um so the thing I added to register was essentially what would happen if a resignation or generally a vacancy was to occur today. So, let's say hypothetically after this meeting, I resign, I quit, whatever. Um, under the existing ordinance on October 28th, today, the vacancy would occur and the council president would start receiving notices from the vacant older district. So, if there's a developer that needs something or a alcohol license that is necessary in my district, the president starts receiving that. And then the next step would be the president decides when to open the applications. The president then decides when to close applications after they're open. And then the president decides when to release application materials to members of CC who can then begin remove uh reviewing the application materials. And then at whatever point whenever the uh the CC agenda comes out that is when the application materials are available to the public as a goal. Then the next count uh CC meeting is December 9th which is when we would meet to vote on the applicant to fill the hypothetical district 8 date vacancy. Upon that confirmation at council that's when the intram alder uh would be sworn in and everything. They would not receive any information about what decisions the council president would have made during that vacancy for their district. So if someone is filling filling my hypothetical vacancy, they would not know that uh that the council president uh gave notice to a developer or alcohol license or whatever it is. Under the proposed second substitute, if a vacancy was to occur today, same thing. Vacancy occurs and the president starts uh receiving the notices from the district. However, it would then specify that within 10 business days, so it would then be November 12th, the council office has to publicize notice of the vacancy and instructions to the applicants. So essentially the applications open by November 12th. So if the vacancy happens today, the applications could go live tomorrow as well, but it just says it has to happen by 10 days, business days. Um after that, the application has to remain open for at least 10 business days. So on or after November 6th uh is when the application period closes. Now since this is facilitated by the president, they could still choose that application can stay open for 15 days instead of 10 days, but it has to be open for at least 10 days. So on or after November 6th, the application period closes and the application materials are released to CC members at the same time or as soon as possible by staff >> [snorts] >> um who then the members are able to review the application materials. Um and then so five business days before the next CCEC meeting by December 2nd is when the council office publicly puts up all of the application materials to the common council web page whether that's our website or legisar that's what whatever is easiest for staff and that'll be properly noticed and then at the December 9th cce meeting is when we vote to fill the vacancy and upon that confirmation the president will no longer receive notice from the district and council staff will provide the interim alder with a list of decisions made by the president during the vacancy. So that's just the timeline that is legis uh that is attached to legisar and kind of specifies in an easier format what changes are actually being made with the second substitute. Thank you. So, Alder given Dajin, the intent is to clarify processes, put stricter limits on it rather than making everything sort of at the president's discretion. Is that >> Yes, correct. >> Thank you. >> The only thing that does not necessarily have to do with discretion is removing sub paragraph 7 at the very bottom, which I don't have in front of me, but that we discussed last time as well. um is if the if there's a vacancy that occurs during campaigning season, then the council has directed to look for former alders or former supervisors who live in that district. So, we are removing that requirement, which for example, if I was to resign during campaign period, there is no former alder or former supervisor who lives in my district. Um, and that might be the case for other districts as well, but for sure that's very rarely ever the case in district 8. So that's not a clarification, but just something being removed because that is addressed already in the existing timeline of I believe sub paragraph 4. Did you have additional questions? So just so I'm clear. So this process can take up to 20 days to get >> I think max. >> Right. So and I don't I thought that before these changes we had some sort of timeline. Um attorney has cuz I thought we were like we're supposed to fill a vacancy after so many days I thought. Or is that we just trying to move through the process fast? I I'm a little bit confused. Well, the I'm trying to get the ordinance uh on my screen again. I mean, the the state statutes allow a lot of flexibility for how vacancies are filled, either by special election or by appointment. Um, so we're not constrained by the statutes in any way. there was a a diff a specific section that this ordinance would um would remove related to the timing of certain vacancies. >> I thought there was something in it, but I don't see it here. So, I'm so I mean maybe I'm I'm mistaken, but we had done quite a few of this and I don't think it took that long to get things moving. I thought we were on a pretty tight tight time frame to get things rolling. >> Yeah. There they're um Yeah. I mean, like I said there, you know, I think in the past sometimes we've we've had to deal with just getting things scheduled, CC meetings scheduled and notices posted, things like that. Um, but there isn't any there aren't any statutory requirements for >> I wasn't looking for a statue. I thought that the ordinance had a time frame that we to move things along or >> um not under the current ordinance. >> Okay. >> There I don't know if there was a operating proc you know standard operating procedure developed. No >> discretion of the president. >> Oh, it was just it it was discretion of the president. So, so that again that's the intent here is to remove that discretion and make it so that it's actually codified. >> So, doesn't seem like a lot of time though. >> Does what seem like a long time? >> 20. I think her concern is a 10 a 10day period to have it posted and a 10day period to have it that that up to 10 days can be before it's announced and 10 days >> of the posting to allow the applications come in. >> Yeah. That's completely up to the council what you think takes too long and too short. I've seen councils fill a vacancy within a week. Some take two months. You know, I think part of in my experience, part of the delays were always simply the president getting together maybe with the chief of staff and our office just to talk through what the process couldn't be. I think >> the advantage of something like this is then the process is in place. So we don't have to create that new new every time there's a vacancy. >> Thank you. >> But but I mean the timelines could certainly be shortened if the council wants to. It's just a matter of you know if you're going to publish them, how much time are you going to get people to see it and respond? >> Alder Gender Raj, did you want to respond? >> Yes. Uh thank you. Um I want to clarify this is not necessarily removing the president's discretion entirely. It's more so just adding guidelines. So it's not that it takes 10 days to put out the application. It's that it takes up to 10 days to put out the application. So, if the council office already has the application form, everything created from a previous vacancy, then all they have to do is maybe theoretically update the dates, um, and anything else that the executive committee might ask the council staff to do um, and then put it out at their earliest convenience whenever it's possible. However, they just can't. They have to do it before 10 days. There's no consequence if they wait after 10 days. That being said, um, so that's step one, I guess. And then step two is, uh, the applications can be open for however long, like an indefinite amount of period really, but it has to stay open for at least 10 days. So, it's not removing that discretion of the president. the president will likely still communicate with the council staff and the chief of staff to decide exactly how long the application shall remain open, but it has to be open for at least 10 days, 10 business days. Um, so I I want to encourage folks to think of it as not removing discretion, but just adding some guard guard rails and guidelines instead. I also do want to give the opportunity potentially for Karen. I do have this question. Do you think this is a possible timeline for the council office to abide by? Obviously, we've had lots of discussion about this, but this might be a good opportunity for you to talk about this publicly. >> Yes. So, oh, am I up? Okay. I do think that I I would argue u I would ask to not shorten it to less than 10 days on the first the three the number three where it says within 10 business days because we have had situations where folks have resigned for example around the holidays so the December holidays which does make it tough um I know it says 10 business days so that does help this this to me is workable um it's in our in my in my opinion my professional opinion I want to see this filled as um briskly as as you know reasonable and feasible because the inbox the the the emails are collecting. There's a lot of work that's that needs to be done. You know, the work doesn't stop just because someone resigns. And [snorts] so in my it's in my position that it's in the office's best interest to get it moving. So I would do everything I could to make sure that this would be moved as soon as we could get it out. And if it's less than 10 days, even better. Um, I think that this also makes it so that a president can't can't um hold it back too long for some reason. I I I I'm imag I I could imagine somebody might come up with some reason to do that, some political reason or some other reason. And this just makes that not possible. In terms of holding the U, it says remains open for not less than 10 business days. I do think it's worth that because it we need to get the the word out to folks about the um the position and give folks a chance to get their materials together, think about these things and I would also encourage it to not be open for too very long, but I do think it's worth it to get a nice robust pool if possible. So, it would be my intention to open, you know, open it as soon as possible after the vacancy gets done. Certainly not any longer than 10 days. And then hopefully the president would, you know, consider a 10day open period where we push out the information, try to really encourage folks to apply. And uh we're planning on putting work um work rules or SOPs together so that um we have a a playbook uh or whatever um so that we don't have to reinvent the wheel which is kind of what's been happening at least had happened in the past and alder the original intent was to have signatures required and that is all out of this substitute. I just want to clarify that. >> Correct. There is no additional work by the clerk's office here. >> Excellent. >> I'm sure the clerk's office would thank you for that. Alder, [laughter] >> are there other questions? Oh, Alder Lankella, go ahead. >> Just a quick question, Karen. Uh, based on the history, what was the last uh one hire? How long did it take from the notice you received to the applicants? Do you have the last one? >> I really can't remember. We um h didn't have one in 2024, so it's been now a couple of years, but I'd have to we'd have to go back and and count things up. But >> yeah, >> we we we are not I mean, it's not worth it for it's not in my It's not worth sitting on it. It really isn't. We just need to >> Yeah. Just wondering about the number of days here. Is this too high or too low? Because it's about a month now, right? We are talking about a month for having the applications in now. >> Up to >> up to up to a month. Yeah. >> I mean, like I said, we it would be my intention to move things out the door to get that posted im immediately. I mean, you could literally do it im the same day if we had our business together. And sometimes folks signal informally before they resign which then gives us a little of time to do that preparation. But if we have something in place like this is asking me to basically bring something to CCC for you all to you know um words smmith and say okay this is the process we should be able to put it up within you know [clears throat] if not the same day then pretty darn pretty darn quick. So, I don't I don't see a problem with it at all. Um, I do think the two the 10 business days for posting, I mean, I really do because the word doesn't always get out. We know it's really exciting and and and immediate for all of us, right? But I think to for it to kind of get out in the community to get the me, you know, media attention, it it can take a little time. So I and also here it does say that um CCC can reopen the application process if they would like to seek additional applicants and hopefully we don't have to do that. Hopefully we just do it for the two weeks. Hopefully we get a lot of exciting applications and we just keep keep moving through the process. So I like I I think this this is doable. >> Okay. I was just wondering about are we helping ourselves by putting those dates or not is the question right so um sometimes that people will procrastinate when you know the deadline on it right so it just makes it oh we got 10 days not worry about it yet this week I can't two weeks let's do it in next week right so just is that helps or is actually if we don't have a timeline then let's go ahead and right so just food for thought given to Rajin Thank you. Just more clarifications, I guess. Um, I want to clarify it's not opening the application period for one month. It's just that the next CCEC meeting after today is December 9th. That just happens to be how the schedule is. Um, in theory, if there's a vacancy that happens today and the council office has all of the materials to put out the application tomorrow, then that applicate like and the goal is to fill it as soon as possible, then the application goes out tomorrow, stays open for at least 10 business days and then closes then and then the executive committee can make a decision at their next meeting. If next session the executive council goes back to meeting uh every time the common council meets then we would be able to fill a vacancy even sooner or we could call for a special session or just like we did last month. Um so I know the timeline that I provided on legisar shows that it would the vacancy would occur for a little over a month but that's just more so because of the schedule of when CCT meets rather than anything that has to do with the ordinances. Um, I also want to clarify that this ordinance isn't adding any of the dates. The dates exist whether we know it or not. But the problem is unless we clarify it in ordinance, we don't know what the dates are. As to ordinances currently exist, we will not decide what the dates are until the president decides it um when a vacancy occurs. this ordinance will just give some level of predictability into how long the process might take and um and when the dates might be. I guess that's maybe one way to put it. Thank you. >> Thank you, Alder. Um >> uh just I can answer Alder [laughter] Lake's question since I was the last person who was selected by that method and I was just looking at my files. Uh, I became aware of the vacancy on December 15th of 2023. I filed my application on December 26th, the day after Christmas, and I was sworn in on January 23rd of 2024. So, fairly compact process if you think about the whole thing. Any other questions for staff? Any discussion? Let's see. Alder Gven Rajan, go ahead. >> Question for Karen, if you remember. Um, although we knew about the former district 19 older resignation incoming, the vacancy didn't occur in until January. Is that correct? So, the actual period of filling that vacancy was much shorter than what Alder Yagare just pointed. >> You might not remember. >> I'd have to double check, but um Alder >> January 10th >> is the >> Oh, he's not. Oh, sorry. >> Hold on. >> January 10th was the date that older Slack officially uh finished her time on the council. >> But when did we put out the post? because I think there was some negoti you you saw the ad earlier than January 10th >> looking at my emails from the period um I was clearly aware of the vacancy on December 15th but that was because with the holidays and everything I think it was Alder Slack's >> thought to make an early announcement >> uh but to recognizing how many emails accumulate and how asked they do uh that she wouldn't officially resign until my recollection was January 10th. >> I think that's right. I think there was a discussion she she just like you said as opposed to resigning immediately over the holidays. She we had some advanced >> planning. [clears throat] So, I'm not sure how that calc figures into all this, but >> I think it would just allow the council office to prepare ahead of time and not take up the sole up to 10 business days as necessary out the application. Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. Any discussion? Additional discussion because we've been sort of free flowing here. [laughter] All right. Uh, is there any opposition to a unanimous recording a unanimous vote in favor of the second substitute? >> Seeing none, we'll record a unanimous vote in favor of the second substitute. >> Okay, we will move on. Uh item four, I think it it is a substitute um adopting the updated elected and appointed official code of conduct. Um and so the one that you're supposed to look at is the very bottom one in [clears throat] the list, right? Updated elected and appoint official official code of contact substitute 102325. >> Yes. >> All right. So that's the one we're talking about. Okay. Uh, Alder Gander Rajin, may I get a motion on this? >> Motion to adopt substitutes from N2325. >> Is there a second? >> Second from Alder Lankella. Okay. And questions for staff. Okay. >> Um I think there's someone >> It's a committee meeting. >> Oh, so this is supposed to be the flyer. >> It's a common council executive committee. >> It's a city. It's a city man. >> Okay. So, let me see if this is where I spot. Give me a second. Okay. Um, does either Alder Tishler or Alder Gavin Roger want to speak to the item first? Alder Tishler, you want to speak? >> I guess the box. >> Yeah, that's Yeah, thank you. I just wanted um >> Yeah, I had the same thought. >> [sighs and gasps] >> Um yeah, I just wanted to uh to thank everybody who uh has reviewed uh the uh kind of the revised code of conduct. This is this is an alternate. This is uh this is based on on um you know on uh kind of input from the the 12 boards, commissions, committees um provided and incorporated their feedback. This uh provided uh additional you know guidance. this the one you're that's in front of you. Additional guidance towards um conduct towards you know towards the media uh members of the uh the public um and also towards city staff. [sighs] Uh it also expands the existing uh complaint reporting and investigative process to cover all elected and appointed official code of conduct complaints not just sexual harassment complaints. Um it also adds uh you know that that it requires two uh sponsors for the sensor of an alder and describes a process of how uh BCC's can censor one of its own members. Um and uh like I said went through 12 different uh different referred to 12 different uh commissions, boards and uh uh and committees. And I think that that that process has really helped um kind of fine-tune what we have in front of you. And I want to thank everybody who was involved um in the in the process. I think we have a really really good document that uh that incorporates a lot of people's voices and uh I hope you will uh approve it. So >> other questions for staff or discussion? I'm going to go free flowing here. >> Attorney >> Yeah, attorney house has stepped out of the room. Um, Alder and Rajin, go ahead. >> I just want to say, um, thank you. This was a very collaborative process over the last several months, um, from chief of staff Karen and the council staff and all the various boards and commissions that provided feedback. uh once we got it on to the um the executive council meeting last meeting uh and it was in the public realm it was a little bit more easier to get feedback from several more alders but incorporate that and I know Alder Tishler played a pivotal role in that too so thank you for that um I don't have much more to say about that just want to say my thanks thank you >> and I'll just add that I think the other thing that it does is it clarifies the process us for for the complaints. So, it really makes it crystal clear um who those complaints go to and the process that it goes to. So, I do think that um it is helpful in putting that in place as well. Alder you Gar. >> Um I see that director Hilson is here and I was just uh thought I would ask uh the director uh if there's a general comfort level of this if there's been an adequate uh equity review uh that we don't see any particular unintended consequences from the way this has been drafted. Um yeah, so I did have an opportunity to to review it um along with city attorney Hos um and I think we were comfortable with it. I will just note that um we are currently in the process of really reviewing our 3-5 policy on harassment and discrimination. um developing some more um [sighs] descriptive and thorough policies around sort of how some of those investigations take place. Um we don't anticipate that to be completed this year, but anticipate it to be completed next year and um may request um some modifications after we've completed completed that process. But for now, I I think we feel really comfortable with it. Thank you. >> Attorney House, did you want to add anything to that? >> Um, no. I I agree. I think we've reviewed this. I think it looks to be in good shape. >> A figure call. >> Thank you. Um, I had to say, I mean, I had a lot of concerns about some of the language used on the original form. So, I'm grateful that we're not um we're really having a code that is not really policing each other at such a um bias level with some of the wording that was used before. So, I appreciate that those considerations were taken into account when when this change was made. Um I do want clarification in regards to the censoring process. Um, is this a agreeing to have a second? I mean, I like that the sensory process is defined, but is it really needed? What is the impact of of claiming two members need to be added for a censorship? And I gather in a situation like that, I'm sure it would be easy to have more than one person want to be bringing a sensor resolution. But is this code um the law for example in this case? Does it force us to do that? >> Yeah. Well, that's an excellent question. I raised this the same question and I don't think I ever got a response cuz I don't think this is a policy can require that you have two sponsors unless we change an ordinance because a centure resolution would be a resolution like any other resolution. and we would have unless this is meant to be a sponsor and a second is two members. I think that's something that should be clarified and I'm I'm not sure that what the sponsor's intent was with that. Um so again so as someone that doesn't I don't have a vote today because I'm um just the alternate I will I will ask my colleagues to consider changing the change removing the word um where it talks about um sponsored by at least two members. Leave the narrative explaining what a censor process is but just remove the requirement to have two members and I'll be more than happy to support this in council on the next one if that was um if that was the case. But I really appreciate the work on on being extremely careful about making this a policy that is used as a weapon against each other which it was not the intent and so so thank you for the work on that. That's all I got. >> Would a nonalternate member of the body like to make a motion for a minor amendment to this? Alder Lankella. I'll make the motion to um alternate to remove the requirement for two sponsors. >> And is there a second from that? >> Second. >> Okay, we have two seconds. >> Uh Alder Madison and Alder Tishler both. So I don't know. Alder Madison I think was um Alder Tishler, go ahead. >> Oh, I I just pressed that just a second. [laughter] Sorry, I thought you had cuz you cuz you were you would collect in before that, >> right? I was I was anticipating I was going to second it, but but yeah. >> Excellent. Okay. Alder Madison, do you wish to speak? >> No. >> Okay. You were just seconded. >> Okay. All right. So then what we're voting on is the updated version. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut off any additional discussion. Is there any disc additional discussion? Okay, seeing none, we'll go to a vote and what we're voting on is the updated version in which um under censure process, the second part of the sentence is struck. So, we'll just read any alder may draft and introduce a censure resolution regarding a code of conduct violation on the common council agenda. And then, adoption of a censure for a code of conduct violation requires a majority vote of the common council. Everybody's clear on what we're voting on. Fantastic. Um, I'm not sensing a lot of opposition. So, is there any concern about recording a unanimous vote in favor of this? Seeing none, we'll record a unanimous vote in favor. And then I believe that we are moving on to council office. [snorts] >> Do we have to >> There's a question on the dice. >> Like we added the amend. Do we have to do >> Oh, do I have to vote twice? Do we now have to >> do we have to vote on the underlying >> was that just on the amendment? Yeah. >> If that was >> I think the way that I posed the vote was that we were voting for the amended version. >> That's was my understanding too which I think is fine because >> so I so I think I really kind of Okay. >> Yeah. Okay. Okay. >> Wonderful. I just wanted to make sure. >> But I mean that is how I pose the vote. >> Mhm. Yeah. That's >> okay. Just wanted to make sure for the >> I was just being efficient. is who you were. Excellent. >> All right. Uh then we'll move on to item five, leg 88520, council office updates. Take it away, Karen. >> Thank you. Okay. Um I sent this out to everyone. I will share for the folks on Zoom hopefully. Um couple of things. Um, I want everyone to remember to sign up for some um, trainings that are being offered for you October 30th. Um, a a CRA training. Um, most of you have replied to that. I appreciate that. Those of you who are within the sound of my voice and can attend, please respond to the um to the invitation that you have in your Outlook on your um, district inbox. Um, even more so, I I would like folks to RSVP to the equity and social justice division training on November 4th. That one we do have fewer fewer folks have RSVPd for that. And it's going to be, I think, quite educational. It covers a lot of um information about the division, the team, the work of the different sort of folks and units within the team as well as familiarity with the tools and some practice. And so, um I please if you wouldn't mind um go ahead and if you have not yet um sent your RSVP, please do. Those are both in person. Um, and then I just have some for the new folks. Uh, budget start budget the November 11th budget session starts at 5:30. I know that that's a little out of the norm, so I wanted to just flag that for the new folks to remind folks. Then there's some other things. Um, now starting every December 1st, uh, you will all be reminded that everyone who is up for every district that's up for reelection, the 50piece rule will go into effect for you until you file your non-candidacy papers. So that you know you're all I presume you all are running for reelection that right now it's the evens. I presume until you file your non-candidacy papers no matter what you say that you're running until you're formally not running. That's how I like to do it because folks do change their minds a bit before they decide what papers they'd like to file if you'd like. Um, so our community engagement strategist and attorney Hos put together this very, very helpful, very detailed guide to the 50piece rule and other campaign restrictions, facts, and FAQs. Please peruse that. It's, I think, quite informative. Reach out to me if you have questions. Of course, I'll um I'll consult with Attorney Hos. We also have a resolution that um helps explain um what can be sent what 50 or more pieces can be sent out in certain circumstances which I linked as well. So please please please if you already think you're familiar please read it anyway because we've added a ton of information and a lot of different like well what about this example but what about that and we've also added some guidelines for consideration. So for example, while an alder can still have an event during this period, we have some um guiding questions that we strongly encourage any alder who wants to have an event between who's running I'm who's running for reelection um wants to have an event between December 1st and and the April election um would like you to go through that process very sincerely um because I think that there's a campaign season is a bit it gets a little bit sticky and we want to make sure that you are sep clearly separating your alder business from your campaign business which becomes a bit of a challenge during campaign season. So please please um take a look at that. We will be sending reminders and of course we'll be here to help you um work through any interesting nuance that you give us. Um, there's always something. Y'all y'all are very innovative. All right. [laughter] I just wanted to tell you something logistically. So, some of you may be aware that there's we have three dedicated spots in the CCB the the basement of this building for um council um members and staff to park. And you some of you who've been here a minute know that we've had trouble keeping those spots open and available. folks, unauthorized people parking in there, unauthorized staff of other of other departments. Oh, [laughter] and so the county has um we've tried everything. Um traffic cones, um bright pink signs, calling the county to go find out who that person is in there. And what the county has has done us a favor or you know has been you know helpful in putting up a there are new big signs. This is the picture of the new big signs on the wall for each s each um space and and this has been going really really well. I have to say the um small yellow card. So, if anyone of you alders parks down there or wants to park down there and has not yet picked up a yellow card, please I do have them tonight and also you can just let me know and I can put one in your um your your uh mailbox. I think this is so helpful because when I pull in I and I use it too, so you can see who you know I can I can check to see if this is a car that I need to go track down or if it's all good. and I've used it multiple whoever has there's a car in there that has been doing a wonderful job with the card. So, thank you to whoever you are. Um because it it saves me a lot of time and I know that this is an authorized user because >> Yeah. No, you're not. No, attorney Hos is trying to he almost got me there for a second trying to get a get a card. These are valuable. Yes. and and and really [laughter] um also after 4:30 you can park down there in any spot is what I've been told. If I hear differently, I'll I'll let you know after 4 after 4:30 after things have closed, but that may be informal and maybe somebody will correct me now that I said that on [laughter] the record. And um I think after 6 is it that the meters allow you to park on the street? And then of course folks have uh Alders have Wilson Street garage which I I don't have. So enjoy that. Um that that is if you just want to park without hassle, that's a great place cuz you don't have to play Thunderdome for um spots. Um but if you would like to, you know, be parking right in the building, certainly you can give it a shot. So thank you all. I'm very excited. Let's hope that this works. And then I I just provided this again. I'm going to keep it's going to show up on all my summaries forever probably, which is a little bit of reminders that when you're doing your blogs um to start thinking about accessibility and a couple I give you I give you a couple of of tasks that you can >> [clears throat] >> um start getting practice with. Now, alt text descriptions for any images, writing out information from the flyers into the text of your blogs, and avoiding all caps. So, and there's a link to some resources. So, thank you all very much for all your help. Any questions for Karen? Seeing none, we will move on to item six, uh, 88519, future agenda item requests. Uh, I do not believe that we've had any additional ones added. Um, and is there any additional requests for future agenda items? Maybe we'll get to some next time [laughter] depending on what our um, agendas look like. >> Seeing none, I would entertain a motion to adjurnn. A motion to adjurnn. Second. >> All right. All those I assume unopposed. Uh barring anyone saying that you want to sit here and talk. Um so we will stand adjourned. Thank you. >> Thank you.