. >> GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. I WILL CALL THIS BLOOMINGTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER TONIGHT IS MONDAY, AUGUST 4TH, 2020 5TH AUGUST. ALREADY I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT WE WILL START OUR MEETING AS WE ALWAYS DO. IF YOU ARE ABLE PLEASE STAND REMOVE ANY HEAD COVERING AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU MUCH TO EVERYONE WHO'S JOINING US HERE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS TONIGHT AND THANKS TO EVERYBODY WHO IS WATCHING ON LINE. WE APPRECIATE YOU HAVING HERE WITH US THIS EVENING. OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS THIS EVENING COUNCIL IS TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA AND NOT A LOT OF ITEMS BUT IT'S POTENTIALLY A LENGTHY ONE AFTER OUR APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA, OUR INTRODUCTORY ITEMS INCLUDE ITEM 2.1 THE INTRODUCTION OF NEW EMPLOYEES. AND THEN I WILL READ A PROCLAMATION FOR NATIONAL NIGHT OUT WHICH IS TOMORROW EVENING. ITEM THREE ARE CONSENT BUSINESS COUNCIL MEMBER NELSON HAS A CONSENT BUSINESS HAS 24 ITEMS TONIGHT SO THANK YOU FOR TAKING THAT AND COUNCILMEMBER NELSON. UNDER HEARINGS, RESOLUTIONS AND ORDINANCES WE HAVE ONE ONE PUBLIC HEARING ON A 4.1 REGARDING PREVAILING WAGE ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS UNDER ITEM FIVE OUR ORGANIZATIONAL BUSINESS WILL GET AN UPDATE ON OUR COMMUNITY HEALTH AND WELLNESS CENTER. IT'S AT THE 50% DESIGN DEVELOPMENT AND WE'LL GET AN UPDATE FROM FROM OUR PARK STAFF AND OUR CONSULTANTS ON THAT. ITEM 5.2 IS OUR CITY COUNCIL POLICY AND ISSUE UPDATE AND THEN HOPEFULLY WE'LL ADJOURN BEFORE TUESDAY. SO THERE WE GO. COUNCIL IF THERE ARE IF THERE ARE NO CORRECTIONS OR ADDITIONS TO TONIGHT'S AGENDA I WILL MOVE APPROVAL. THOSE THE AGENDA AS STATED SECOND MOTION IN A SECOND BY COUNCIL LOGAN TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA AS STATED. NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO. AND IT'S ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY TO MENTION THAT COUNCILMEMBER CARTER IS NOT WITH US THIS EVENING. SHE'S NOT FEELING WELL. WE WILL KICK OFF OUR AGENDA WITH ITEM 2.1 OUR INTRODUCTION OF NEW EMPLOYEES. ACTUALLY IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE'VE DONE NEW EMPLOYEE INTRODUCTIONS SO WE'VE GOT A FEW PEOPLE TO INTRODUCE. WE'VE GOT THREE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS RECOMMENDED WHO DREW THE SHORT STRAW? WHO'S GOING FIRST? I'M LOOKING RIGHT AT DAVE HANSON. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH DAVE HANSON FIRST. DOES THAT MEAN I WON? YES. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL TONIGHT IT'S MY PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE OUR NEWEST HIRE AND PARK MAINTENANCE. YOU REMEMBER MAY REMEMBER AS PART OF IMPLEMENTING THE NEW PARK MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS PLAN IN 2024 THE DIVISION WAS REORGANIZED INTO WORK TEAMS THAT INCLUDE FORESTRY, NATURAL RESOURCES, TURF MAINTENANCE, LANDSCAPING ,PLAYGROUNDS, ATHLETIC FIELDS AND FACILITIES. AND THIS MAY BRIDGETTE GOODWIN HERE WAS HIRED TO FILL AN OPENING POSITION AN OPEN POSITION AND OUR FACILITIES MAINTENANCE TEAM AND IN PARK MAINTENANCE AND SO WITH THAT I WILL TURN IT OVER TO BRIDGETTE TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HERSELF. GOOD EVENING BRIDGET. WELCOME. GOOD EVENING. SO I GREW UP IN BLOOMINGTON, BORN AND RAISED. I WENT TO PUBLIC BRIDGE AND HILLCREST ELEMENTARY AUSTIN MIDDLE SCHOOL AND JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL AND LAWNDALE COMMUNITY COLLEGE. SO I GOT ALL MY EDUCATION HERE IN BLOOMINGTON. I PREVIOUSLY WORKED AS A PC AND WANTED TO DO SOMETHING NEW SO LAST YEAR I DECIDED TO WORK IN PARK MAINTENANCE AS A SEASONAL EMPLOYEE AND GOT TO STICK AROUND DURING THE WINTER. I WORKED AT HER BACK DURING THE SUMMER AND DURING THE WINTER I GOT TO HELP WITH WHATEVER PEOPLE NEEDED HELP WITH AND I GOT TO HELP WITH SIDEWALK PLOWING AND A LOT OF NATURAL RESOURCE STUFF TO. AND I'M FULL TIME WORKING AND PARK MAINTENANCE AND FACILITIES AND I'M ENJOYING IT A LOT. >> GOOD. WELL THANK YOU. I THANK YOU MUCH FOR BEING HERE AND LOVE TO SEE YOUR PROGRESS UP THROUGH THE BLOOMINGTON EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM AND THEN THROUGH OUR CITY BLOOMINGTON RANKS AND WELCOME ABOARD. WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE YOU HERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE'VE GOT I THINK TWO NEW PEOPLE IN OUR IT DEPARTMENT. AMY CHENEY YOU WANT TO COME UP AND SAY HELLO TO THEM FOR US ? WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS. YES. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M PLEASED TO INTRODUCE TWO NEW EMPLOYEES FOR OUR DEPARTMENT THIS EVENING. FIRST WE HAVE COURTNEY RICKERT. COURTNEY JOINED US ON MAY 19TH AS OUR DATA GOVERNANCE SPECIALIST. SHE WORKS WITHIN OUR DATA AND RECORDS DIVISION WHERE SHE ASSISTS WITH RECORDS MANAGEMENT BY ENSURING CITY RECORDS ARE ACCURATELY FILED IN OUR ELECTRONIC RECORD SYSTEM AND PROVIDE SUPPORT FOR DATA PRACTICES INCLUDING RESPONDING TO DATA REQUESTS. COURTNEY MOST RECENTLY WORKED IN THE CONTRACT SERVICES FOR TEXAS PUBLIC EMPLOYEES ASSOCIATION. SHE HAS BEEN A LOAN OFFICER FOR A MORTGAGE COMPANY AND WORKED FOR CHICAGO CITY AS AN ASSOCIATE PLANNER. COURTNEY'S ATTENTION TO DETAIL MAKES HER AN EXCELLENT ADDITION TO OUR TEAM. COURTNEY HOLDS A BACHELOR'S AND A MASTER'S DEGREE IN URBAN AND REGIONAL STUDIES. AND IN HER FREE TIME, COURTNEY ENJOYS PHOTOGRAPHY MOSTLY SPORTS PHOTOGRAPHY, FISHING AND VOLUNTEERING FOR HER KIDS SPORTS PROGRAMS. WELCOME COURTNEY. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS LEAVING COURTNEY WELCOME. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THAT'S ABOUT ME. I USUALLY DON'T LIKE TO TALK ABOUT MYSELF BUT THAT'S IT. I DON'T KNOW. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. THANKS, COURTNEY. AND NEXT WE HAVE MORGAN KNUTSON. SHE JOINED US AS A BUSINESS ANALYST ON JUNE 9TH. IN HER NEW ROLE AS BUSINESS ANALYST MORGAN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR IDENTIFYING BUSINESS NEEDS WITHIN CITY DEPARTMENTS AND HELPS WITH THE SELECTION AND IMPLEMENTATION OF TECHNOLOGY SYSTEMS. WITH A GOAL OF STREAMLINING PROCESSES AND INCREASING PRODUCTIVITY AMONG OUR EMPLOYEES, SHE HAS JUMPED RIGHT IN TAKING OUR LEAD LEAD FOR REPLACING SYSTEMS LIKE OUR LEARNING MANAGEMENT AND OCCUPATIONAL HEALTH MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS. MORGAN MOST RECENTLY WORKED FOR AUGSBURG UNIVERSITY AS DIRECTOR OF THE STROMAN CENTER WHERE SHE SUPPORTED STUDENTS FOR CAREER READISS AND WORKED COLLABORATIVELY COLLABORATIVELY WITH AND TO IMPROVE SYSTEMS. SHE HAS ALSO WORKED FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF ST THOMAS AND THE CITY OF SAINT PAUL. SHE HOLDS A BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN PSYCHOLOGY, A MASTER'S DEGREE IN PUBLIC AND NONPROFIT ADMINISTRATION AND IS PURSUING HER DOCTORATE IN EDUCATION LEADERSHIP. IN HER FREE TIME SHE ENJOYS SPENDING TIME WITH HER FAMILY AND HER DOGS AND SHE ALSO BUILDS FURNITURE AND IS AN AVID PHOTOGRAPHER. GREVE. OH THAT WAS A SHOCKING ONE TO ME. I LOVE IT. COVID HOBBIES. WELCOME. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS. I AM SO EXCITED TO BE HERE. MY FIRST TWO MONTHS AMY HAS PUT ME THROUGH MY PACES AND GIVEN ME SOME REALLY WONDERFUL PROJECTS. ONE OF WHICH THAT SHE DIDN'T MENTION IS WITH REPLACING REC TRACK AS THE NEW COMMUNITY WELLNESS CENTER COMES ONLINE. SO BIG THINGS ALL AT ONCE BUT IT HAS BEEN FANTASTIC TO GET TO KNOW AMY GET TO KNOW OTHER EMPLOYEES AROUND THE CITY AND EXCITED TO LEARN MORE ABOUT WHAT RESIDENTS WANT FROM THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON AND HOW CAN WE ALIGN THAT WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING IN I.T. >> WELL VERY GOOD. THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. YOU BOTH HAVE BIG JOBS. SO WELCOME. I APPRECIATE THE TRACK AND OUR DATA PRACTICES ACT REQUEST IF YOU'RE GETTING THOSE. GOD BLESS YOU BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S NOT GOING WELL SO WELCOME. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. AND OUR FINAL NEW EMPLOYEE I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY MELISSA MEMBERSHIP. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. IS LAURA ON ? ALL RIGHT, MAYOR, WHILE LAURA IS SHOWING UP I KNOW SHE'S LOGGED IN. YOU'LL WANT TO GO AHEAD. GREAT. WANT YOU GO AHEAD. ALL RIGHT. WELL, WHILE WE'RE ADJUSTING THE SETTINGS HERE, I'LL PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. SO MANY OF YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO PROBABLY A LOT OF YEARS AGO NOW AT THIS POINT WE CREATED THE OFFICE OF CRIME VICTIM LIAISON IN OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO KEEP IN MIND SORT OF THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE'VE GOT GOING ON OUT OF ALL THE CASES THAT WE HAVE IN OUR IN OUR CASELOAD IN 2021, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OPENED 1300 CASES WITH VICTIMS AND JUST BY THREE YEARS LATER IN 2024 WE OPENED MORE THAN 2300 CASES WITH VICTIMS. SO OF OUR TOTAL NUMBER OF CASES THAT WAS ABOUT A THOUSAND MORE CASES WITH VICTIMS IN JUST A FEW SHORT YEARS. SO THANKFULLY WITH THOSE NUMBERS WE ASKED CITY COUNCIL TO FUND THE HIRING OF A SECOND SECOND CRIME VICTIM LIAISON AND THANKFULLY YOU ALL WENT WITH THAT AND SO THIS POSITION IS INVALUABLE IN OUR PROCESS IN THAT AMONG OTHER THINGS THAT THEY DO THEY ASSIST THE VICTIMS WITH UNDERSTANDING AND PARTICIPATING IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE PROCESS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE BETTER OUTCOMES FOR THE ENTIRE PROCESS INCLUDING THE VICTIMS. SO THE OUR NEWEST HIRE IS LAURA. SHE JOINED THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IN MAY OF THIS LAST YEAR. AND SO PLEASE JOIN ME IN WELCOMING LAURA TO THE CITY. THERE'S LAURA'S INITIALS. GOOD EVENING, LAURA. WELCOME. ALL RIGHT. LAURA HAS A BIT OF A COMMUTE SO I OFFERED TO ALLOW HER TO TO CALL IN. SO UNDERSTOOD. WELL, JUST MOVE ON IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT, WELL, WELCOME LAURA . WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL THAT PLACE CHECKING IN AND ARE YOU THERE? LAURA? I'M GOING TO THROUGH TO THANK . ALL RIGHT. WHY DON'T WE MAYBE JUST GO ON HERE AND WE'LL I DO WANT TO SAY TO TO MORGAN, TO COURTNEY, TO BRIDGET AND TO LAURA. WELCOME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT AND THANKS YOU FOR BEING PART OF THE BLOOMINGTON CITY STAFF AND AS I TELL ALL OF OUR NEW EMPLOYEES IN A LOT OF WAYS TO MANY, MANY PEOPLE YOU ARE THE FACE OF BLOOMINGTON. IT DOESN'T MATTER SO MUCH WHO SITS UP HERE. IT'S WHO WORKS DIRECTLY WITH RESIDENTS AND WHO PROVIDES THE SERVICES FOR RESIDENTS AND THAT IS YOU AND IT'S A BIG RESPONSIBILITY. BUT WE WE CERTAINLY KNOW YOU'RE UP TO THE TASK AND WE EXPECT A LOT OUT OF OUR EMPLOYEES IN BLOOMINGTON AND WE GET A LOT OUT OF OUR EMPLOYEES IN BLOOMINGTON. SO WELCOME ABOARD. WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU ON BOARD AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU OUT IN THE COMMUNITY WORKING WITH OUR RESIDENTS. SO WELCOME. NEXT UP ON OUR AGENDA COUNCIL IS A PROCLAMATION FOR NATIONAL NIGHT OUT AND I'M GONNA HEAD DOWN TO THE PODIUM AS I MENTIONED AS I WAS READING THE AGENDA WE TOMORROW NIGHT IS NATIONAL NIGHT OUT HERE IN BLOOMINGTON AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY IT'S THE 42ND ANNUAL NATIONAL NIGHT OUT AND SO WE ALWAYS OFFER A PROCLAMATION AND THEN WE MAKE SURE WE GET TO THE 300 SOME ODD PARTIES ACROSS THE CITY AND IT'S ALWAYS A FANTASTIC TIME AND IT'S TYPICALLY HOTTER THAN HAITI. SO TO UNDERSTAND IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE ABOUT 80 DEGREES TOMORROW IS I THINK A WELCOME RELIEF OUR NATIONAL NIGHT OUT. SO THIS IS OUR PROCLAMATION FOR NATIONAL NIGHT OUT TUESDAY, AUGUST 5TH, 2025. WHEREAS THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF TOWN WATCH IS SPONSORING A UNIQUE NATIONWIDE CRIME AND DRUG PREVENTION PROGRAM ON AUGUST 5TH, 2025 CALLED NATIONAL NIGHT OUT. AND. WHEREAS, THE 42ND ANNUAL NATIONAL NIGHT OUT PROVIDES A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE BLOOMINGTON POLICE DEPARTMENT TO JOIN FORCES WITH THOUSANDS OF OTHER COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY IN A COMMUNITY BUILDING CAMPAIGN THAT PROMOTES POLICE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIPS AND NEIGHBORHOOD CAMARADERIE TO MAKE NEIGHBORHOODS A SAFER, BETTER PLACE TO LIVE. AND WHERE IS THE BLOOMINGTON FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE BLOOMINGTON CRIME PREVENTION ASSOCIATION PLAY A VITAL ROLE IN ASSISTING THE BLOOMINGTON POLICE DEPARTMENT'S EFFORTS BY SUPPORTING NATIONAL NIGHT OUT 2025 LOCALLY AND. WHEREAS, IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT ALL RESIDENTS OF BLOOMINGTON BE AWARE OF THE IMPORTANCE OF CRIME PREVENTION PROGRAMS AND THE IMPACT THAT THEIR PARTICIPATION CAN HAVE ON REDUCING CRIME AND DRUG ABUSE IN OUR CITY AND STRENGTHENING NEIGHBORHOOD SPIRIT. AND. WHEREAS, THE BLOOMINGTON POLICE DEPARTMENT VALUES COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIPS BY ALWAYS BEING RESPECTFUL WHILE KEEPING OUR COMMUNITY SAFE THAT RESPECT IS DEMONSTRATED THROUGH THEIR COMPASSIONATE AND HONEST SERVICE. AND. WHEREAS COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIPS NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY AND AWARENESS AND COMMUNICATION ARE IMPORTANT THEMES OF THE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT PROGRAM NOW THEREFORE, I'M TIM BUSSE, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON DO HEREBY PROCLAIM AUGUST 5TH, 2025 AS NATIONAL NIGHT OUT IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON AND URGE ALL RESIDENTS TO JOIN WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS, FELLOW COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND BLOOMINGTON POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND THE BLOOMINGTON CRIME PREVENTION ASSOCIATION IN MAKING THIS COMMUNITY SAFER FOR EVERYONE DATED THIS FOURTH DAY OF AUGUST 2025, JOINED TONIGHT BY DEPUTY CHIEF KIM CLAWSON AND I'M GOING TO TURN THE MICROPHONE OVER TO DEPUTY CHIEF AND LET YOU MAKE THE FINAL PITCH AND GET PEOPLE OUT TO THE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT CELEBRATION TOMORROW NIGHT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. COUNCIL AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, WE DO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WHO HELPS US ACCOMPLISH THIS HUGE TASK. IT'S HITTING OVER 300 PARTIES WITH MULTIPLE PEOPLE IN ABOUT TWO HOURS. SO IT'S FAST AND FURIOUS AND IT'S A VERY GOOD TIME AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO IT EVERY YEAR AS THE MAYOR SAID, THE WEATHER'S NOT ALWAYS BEEN OUR FRIEND BUT THE NOT AT ALL THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WE'VE BEEN REALLY HAPPY AND SO WE'RE SUPER EXCITED ABOUT THE FORECAST. WE'RE GRATEFUL TO THE CRIME PREVENTION ASSOCIATION THAT SUPPORTS US FINANCIALLY THROUGH GRANTS TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE REALLY GOOD NATIONAL NIGHT OUT PARTIES AND FUN INTERACTION WITH THE POLICE. IT'S THIS IS THE DAY THAT OFFICERS AND FIRE TRUCKS AND AMBULANCES SHOW UP OUTSIDE YOUR DOOR AND YOU'RE NOT UNHAPPY ABOUT THAT. SO PLEASE WELCOME US WITH OPEN ARMS. WE CAN'T WAIT TO SEE YOU ALL. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. AND BASICALLY SO THANK YOU VERY. NO, I DO NOT. NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS OUR CONSENT BUSINESS. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON HAS THE CONSENT AGENDA TONIGHT. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON, THANK YOU. HAVING JUST CONFIRMED THAT NONE OF MY COLLEAGUES WOULD LIKE TO HOLD ANY OF THESE ITEMS I WILL MOVE ITEMS 3.1 THROUGH 3.24. SO A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER NELSON SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER TO ACCEPT TONIGHT'S CONSENT BUSINESS AS STATED. NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO. THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER NELSON MOVING RIGHT ALONG. ITEM FOUR ON OUR AGENDA IS OUR HEARINGS, RESOLUTIONS AND ORDINANCES AND OUR ONLY PUBLIC HEARING. THIS EVENING'S ITEM 4.1 A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING THE PREVAILING WAGE ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS. SARA AMORY JERRY ADMINISTRATOR WILL BE LEADING US THROUGH THIS. GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME. YES, GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. I DO HAVE A PRESENTATION JUST GIVE THAT A SECOND. WE ALSO DO HAVE THE PUBLIC COMMENT RECEIVED SOME LETTERS AND OTHER TESTIMONIES BEFORE HAND. THOSE SHOULD BE IN FRONT OF YOU NOW I HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL COPIES HERE ON THE CHAIR . >> OKAY. ALREADY AS THE MAYOR SAID MY NAME IS SARAH THE ADMINISTRATOR HERE PRESENT ON THIS ITEM TONIGHT. OKAY. SO SOME QUICK BACKGROUND. I KNOW YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR THE PREVAILING WAGE ORDINANCE WAS ADOPTED ON JUNE 17TH, 2024 SO JUST OVER A YEAR AGO AND IT APPLIES TO PROJECTS IN WHICH THE CITY, THE HRA OR THE PORT IS PROVIDING FUNDING AND THE TOTAL PROJECT COST REGARDLESS OF THE AMOUNT OF CITY DOLLARS INVESTED IN THE PROJECT IS OVER $125,000. WE DID HAVE AN INITIAL JUNE 30TH WORK WORK SESSION ON SOME OF THESE PROPOSED CHANGES. STAFF HAVE DEVELOPED THAT INTO A FRAMEWORK AND ARE PRESENTING THAT BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. OH OKAY. >> THIS IS A QUICK SUMMARY OF THE CHANGES UNDER CONSIDERATION AND WE DID PROPOSE A NUMBER OF ADMINISTRATIVE AMENDMENTS. THIS FIRST ONE EXEMPTING HOUSING PROJECTS UNDER EIGHT UNITS SO THIS IS THE FEDERAL DAVIS-BACON EXEMPTION. IT'S ALSO INCLUDED IN THE CITY OF SAINT PAUL'S ORDINANCE WITH WHICH OUR ORDINANCE IS BASED ON. AND SO BUT IT'S NOT EXPLICITLY STATED IN OUR ORDINANCE WHICH IS WHY WE FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO CLARIFY THAT LANGUAGE AND MAKE THIS ADMINISTRATIVE AMENDMENT. SAME FOR THE SECOND ONE TO CLARIFY PASS THROUGH AND CONVERT BOND FUNDING IS EXEMPT . SO THESE ARE CASES WHERE OFTEN THE DOLLARS DON'T NECESSARILY EVEN HIT CITY ACCOUNTS. THE CITY IS JUST ACTING AS A PASS THROUGH OR AS AN INTERMEDIARY AND PREVAILING WAGE ORDINANCE. THE CURRENT ORGAN ORDINANCE IS SILENT ON THIS. AND SO AGAIN ANOTHER CLARIFICATION THE THIRD ONE IS TO AUTHORIZE RULEMAKING. AND SO THIS IS SOMETHING THE CITY HAS DONE BEFORE FOR OUR EARN SICK AND SAFE TIME ORDINANCE AND ESSENTIALLY GIVES SOME AUTHORITY IN TERMS OF PUBLISHING RULES AROUND THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE ORDINANCE THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO CLARIFY THINGS AND MAKE THE ADMINISTRATION A LITTLE BIT SMOOTHER. AND THEN THE OTHER TWO CHANGES ARE NOT ADMINISTRATIVE ADJUSTMENTS. THEY ARE MUCH BROADER POLICY AMENDMENTS AND THERE ARE TWO HERE. ONE IS TO CONSIDER A WAIVER FOR SPECIFIC PROJECTS UNDER EXTREME SITUATIONS AND THE SECOND IS INSTEAD OF EXEMPTING ONLY THE SEVEN UNITS OR LESS THAT ARE EXEMPT UNDER DAVIS-BACON TO EXPAND THAT EXEMPTION UP TO PROJECTS OF 20 UNITS OR LESS. ONE OF THE PIECES OF FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNCIL AT THE JUNE 30TH WORK SESSION WAS TO BUILD OUT WHAT THIS CRITERIA COULD LOOK LIKE. AND SO WE HAVE KIND OF THIS TWO STEP CRITERIA TWO STEPS CONDITIONS ARE TWO PRONG TEST IN THIS FIRST ONE THE PROJECT WOULD HAVE TO MEET BOTH OF THESE CONDITIONS THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHICH IS ALSO ALWAYS TRUE OF ANY PROJECT RECEIVING PUBLIC ASSISTANCE. BUT WE FELT IMPORTANT TO STATE AND THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE FINANCIAL AND FEASIBILITY SO THE PROJECT IS NOT ABLE TO GO FORWARD AS CURRENTLY LAID OUT DUE TO SOME OF THE CHALLENGES ON THE SITE AND THEN IT MUST ALSO MEET ONE OF THE FOLLOWING ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS AND YOU CAN SEE THESE THREE HERE. SO EITHER THE PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENT ATTEMPT ON THE SITE HAS FAILED. THE SITE HAS BEEN VACANT FOR AT LEAST FIVE YEARS WHICH KIND OF ADDRESSES THE THERE'S BEEN MULTIPLE MARKE CYCLES ON THE SITE REMAINS VACANT LIKELY DUE TO SOME CONDITION ON THE SITE AND THEN THAT THERE IS A UNIQUE HARDSHIP THAT CAN BE DEMONSTRATED ON THAT SITE. >> ANOTHER CONSIDERATION THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT IS IF THE COUNCIL WERE TO CONSIDER SOME SORT OF WAIVER, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE FOR PROJECTS THAT RECEIVE A WAIVER OR WHAT ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO PREVENT WAGE THEFT ON THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT? AND SO WE'VE NOTED SOME CONTRACTUAL ELEMENTS THAT WE CAN INCLUDE. SO PREVAILING WAGE ONLY APPLIES WHEN THERE IS PUBLIC ASSISTANCE INTO A PROJECT AND SO WHICH MEANS THE CITY WOULD HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE ENTITY DURING THE PROJECT AND SO WE COULD INCLUDE SOME ADDITIONAL CONTRACTUAL CONTROLS HERE. WE COULD REQUEST SIGNED AFFIDAVITS FROM ANYONE WORKING ON THE SITE DEVELOPER GENERAL CONTRACTOR SUBCONTRACTORS REQUIRE A LIVING WAGES FOR PREVAILING WAGE ELIGIBLE ROLES. THIS IS AIMED TO ENSURE THAT LOW WAGE WORKERS ARE LOWER WAGE WORKERS ARE STILL RECEIVING ADEQUATE COMPENSATION FOR THEIR WORK. THE ABILITY TO CONDUCT RANDOM ONSITE OR PAYROLL AUDITS AND THEN FINALLY THE ABILITY TO BASICALLY PROMOTE OR ACTIVELY MARKET OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO RAISE COMPLAINTS WITH THE CITY POTENTIALLY WITH LABOR UNION CONTRACT OR OR TO SUBMIT COMPLAINTS TO THE STATE SO PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF THEIR OPTIONS IF THEY FEEL THAT THEY'RE NOT GETTING PAID APPROPRIATELY. >> I WON'T SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON THIS. THIS WAS THE EXAMPLE THAT WE USED AS AN EXAMPLE WHEN THIS COULD BE APPLIED. BUT THE ACTION BEFORE THE COUNCIL TONIGHT IS NOT TO GRANT A WAIVER FOR THIS PROJECT OR ANY OTHER ACTION BEFORE THE COUNCIL IS TO CONSIDER ADDING THE FRAMEWORK TO THE TO THE ORDINANCE. ANY PROJECT UNDER CONSIDERATION FOR A WAIVER WOULD STILL NOT NEED TO GO THROUGH FINANCIAL ANALYSIS FROM CITY STAFF, FROM OUR FINANCIAL CONSULTANTS AND SO ON TO BE ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY MEET THOSE OTHER TESTS. OKAY. AND THEN STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT WE DID USE THE INFORMED METHOD AND THAT WE REACHED OUT AND INFORMED FOLKS OF THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE ONCE WE HAD DEVELOPED IT AND PUT IT TOGETHER AND WE REACHED OUT TO THESE FOLKS TO SIT ON SCREEN ANYONE WHO'S CONTACT INFORMATION WE HAD IN TERMS OF DEVELOPERS, PEOPLE WHO SPOKE AT PREVAILING WAGE ORDINANCE IN THE PAST AND THEN ANY CONTRACTORS WHO HAD SUBMITTED THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION AND WHO HAD BEEN COMPLETING A PREVAILING WAGE PROJECT IN BLOOMINGTON WERE INFORMED WE DID THE NORTH CENTRAL STATES REGIONAL COUNCIL OF CARPENTERS ALSO REACHED OUT TO US AND WE HAD A MEETING WITH A COUPLE OF THOSE REPRESENTATIVES. WE BROUGHT THE PROPOSAL TO THE VERY IMPORTANT MEETINGS AND HAD DISCUSSIONS THERE. WE ALSO DID THE YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC HEARING TYPICAL POSTINGS WHICH IS PUTTING THE NOTES AND SO ON POST PUBLISHING ON THE WEB PAGE AND THEN ALSO ADDING A LET'S TALK PAGE AND HERE I'LL NOTE SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED SO FAR. I KNOW THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE HERE AS WELL TONIGHT TO SPEAK SO WE GOT A KIND OF WIDE RANGE OF WRITTEN FEEDBACK SO THERE WAS A BLOOMINGTON SOUTH VIEW LP WHICH IS THE OWNER OF AN APARTMENT BUILDING HERE IN BLOOMINGTON ASKED THE CITY TO CONSIDER EXEMPTIONS FOR REHAB WORK AND AFFORDABLE PROJECTS. TEMPLE REAL ESTATE PROPOSED THAT THE CONVERSION OF EXISTING BUILDINGS TO RESIDENTIAL USES CAN BE CONSIDERED A HARDSHIP. NEITHER OF THESE ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION AT THIS TIME. THERE WAS A COMMENT ON LET'S TALK BLOOMINGTON IN SUPPORTING THE THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO MAKE IT EASIER TO BUILD IN THE CITY AND THEN WE RECEIVED A COUPLE OF WRITTEN LETTERS ONE FROM NORTH STAR POLICY ACTION AND ONE FROM THE LABORERS INTERNATIONAL UNION OF NORTH AMERICA WHICH YOU SHOULD HAVE PRINTED IN FRONT OF YOU. >> NOW. >> OKAY AND THEN WE GET TO THE NEXT STEPS WHICH IS YOUR TYPICAL ORDINANCE APPROVAL PROCESS. IF THE COUNCIL MOVES FORWARD WITH APPROVING ANY OF THESE AMENDMENTS AND THE ORDINANCE CHANGES WILL BE POSTED IN THE SUMMER SUN CURRENT AMOUNT WILL BE EFFECTIVE TEN DAYS AFTER POSTING AND THEN IF THERE WERE OCCASION FOR A WAIVER THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED DURING THE TYPICAL DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AS ALMOST LIKE ANOTHER FORM OF SUBSIDY. SO WE'LL HAVE TO BE EVALUATED CASE BY CASE. >> ALL RIGHT. THAT IS IT FOR MY PRESENT. OH OH, ACTUALLY NO. SO WE DID SAY THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ADMINISTRATIVE CHANGES PROPOSED AND THEN A COUPLE OF POLICY CHANGES IF THE COUNCIL WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD AND APPROVE THE ADMINISTRATIVE CHANGES BUT STRIKE ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE AMENDMENT THAN YOU COULD DO SO USING THE FOLLOWING LANGUAGE WHICH WOULD BASICALLY BE A MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE CHANGES. BUT YOU COULD EXEMPT THESE PROVISIONS THAT ARE ADDED FOR THESE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS AND THAT IS IT FOR MY PRESENTATION. I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S QUESTIONS OR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT WE WILL TAKE QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL AND A COUNCIL REMINDER WE WILL ASK QUESTIONS NOW AND WE'LL GET INTO THE DISCUSSION AFTER WE ARE AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING ANY QUESTIONS OF MS. AVE THIS EVENING? COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN THANK YOU MAYOR. I DIDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND THE JUNE 38TH MEETING. I WAS WAS ILL DURING THAT THAT THAT EVENING I LIKE MY COLLEAGUE IS TONIGHT SO THEN COULD YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT I KNOW THAT WE BASICALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE FORM MEANS METHOD OF LAW CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS AND AND HOW YOU KIND OF DECIDED COULD TALK A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THAT? YEAH, SURE. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS SO THERE ARE DIFFERENT METHODS OF CONSULTING ESSENTIALLY AND KIND OF GOES ON A SPECTRUM IN TERMS OF AND FORM IS JUST LETTING PEOPLE KNOW AND AS OPPOSED TO LIKE ON THE OTHER END OF THE SPECTRUM YOU HAVE A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS AND MEETINGS AND DISCUSSIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND SO IN THIS CASE WE FELT THAT THE THE RECOMMENDATNS WERE PRIMARILY ADMINISTRATIVE AND ALSO LEFT THE BULK OF THE ORDINANCE INTACT AND THAT IT WASN'T CHANGING THE FUNDAMENTAL PIECES OF THE ORDINANCE. THE POLICY CHANGES LIKE THE WAIVER WOULD STILL HAVE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL APPROVALS AND THEN THE THE WAIVER WOULD STILL HAVE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL APPROVAL. SO THAT WAS WHY WE CHOSE THAT METHOD. IT WAS JUST BASICALLY COMMUNICATING OUT TO INTERESTED STAKEHOLDERS THAT WE WERE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION IN FRONT AND FROM THE COUNCIL TONIGHT SO PEOPLE COULD STILL COME IN, GIVE THEIR COMMENTS AT A PUBLIC HEARING. JUST A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS. SO THEN IN TERMS OF HOW THIS ALL OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S FIVE YOU KNOW, FOUR BASIC RECOMMENDATIONS. THEY CAME DUE TO WHAT HAS TAKEN PLACE OVER THE LAST YEAR AND SOME INFORMATION HAD BEEN SENT FROM THOSE WHO ARE DEALING WITH THE POLICY TO BRING IT HERE AND THAT'S WHEN WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION. AM I CORRECT ON THAT? YES, THERE WAS THAT IS CORRECT. IT THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD I KNOW THAT OUR MODEL FOR THE FOR OUR ORDINANCE IS THE ST PAUL MODEL. I WAS CURIOUS ARE THERE RULEMAKING CAPABILITIES IN THAT ST PAUL ORDINANCE IF THAT'S OUR MODEL, DO THEY HAVE THAT? >> YEAH. CHAIR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS THE ST PAUL ORDINANCE DOES NOT EXPLICITLY INCLUDE RULEMAKING IN THEIR ORDINANCE. THEY DO PUBLISH AN ADMINISTRATIVE MANUAL WHICH IS KIND OF WHAT THAT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO DO BUT IT HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE FORMAL BACKING BY THE CITY IF IT IF RULEMAKING IS AUTHORIZED AND ACTUALLY THE AT LEAST THE STAFF IN THE CITY OF ST PAUL DID RECOMMEND THAT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD CHANGE TO THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE IT JUST ALLOWS US A LITTLE BIT MORE I GUESS AUTHORITY TO DO THAT TO TO ADMINISTER SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT ARE PUBLISHED. JUST SO I'M CLEAR THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY IN THE ST PAUL OKAY. AND THEN THE ADMINISTRATIVE GUIDE HOW IS THAT ADMINISTERED AS A PROCESS? HOW IS THAT THAT DONE IN ST PAUL YOU AWARE OF THAT GOOD TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT AND HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN WE CURRENTLY HAVE TODAY? YEAH. YEAH SURE. MS. MANAGER COULD YOU HELP IN THIS ONE FOR MAYOR MEMBERS SO AS AS MENTIONED A COUPLE OF TIMES THE CITY OF ST PAUL HAS A LONG STANDING PREVAILING WAGE PROGRAM AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEARD EARLY ON FROM THE COUNCIL MORE THAN LAST YEAR SO I WAS ABOUT 18 MONTHS AGO WAS THAT WE WANTED TO HAVE A SYSTEM THAT WAS FAMILIAR TO THE PEOPLE IN THE PARTIES THAT WERE WORKING IN IT AND SO AS MUCH AS WE COULD MAKE THE EXPERIENCE THE SAME AND THE OTHER CITIES THAT HAD PREVAILING WAGE WE WANTED TO DO THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE IN BLOOMINGTON. SO WHEN WE HAVE QUESTIONS AND ABOUT HOW THINGS ARE OPERATED AND HOW THEY ARE ADMINISTERED WE OFTEN REACH OUT TO ST PAUL. THEY HAVE A MANUAL AND THEN THEY HAVE YOU KNOW, A LOT OF EXPERIENCE AND SO THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OF TIMES WHERE WE SAW OPPORTUNITIES TO OFFER SOME ADMINISTRATIVE CLARIFICATIONS IN OUR OWN SYSTEM AND SO WE'VE BEEN POSTING THOSE ON OUR WEBSITE AS SORT OF A QS AND KEEPING TRACK OF THEM SO THAT WE GIVE CONSISTENT ANSWERS WHENEVER WE GET A QUESTION. SO WHEN THIS OPPORTUNITY CAME UP TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF TWEAKING ADMINISTRATIVELY TO THE ORDINANCE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT WE MENTIONED THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE RULEMAKING BECAUSE WE FOUND A LOT OF SUCCESS IN USING THAT STRATEGY WITH EARNEST CAN SAVE TIME SO YOU COULD PUT EVERYTHING TOGETHER EVERYONE GETS NOTICE WHEN YOU HAVE RULES AND THEN EVERYONE CAN FIND THEIR ANSWERS MORE QUICKLY AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO WAIT TO TALK TO SOMEBODY DURING THE DAY. SO THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WE PUT IT HERE SO WE DON'T HAVE A MANUAL PER SAY AND WE DON'T HAVE RULES PER SE BUT WE WOULD LOOK TO DEVELOP THOSE IN A VERY HOLISTIC WAY AND MAKE THEM AND PUBLISH THEM. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS IS THAT THE RULES WOULD NOT BE EFFECTIVE UNTIL 30 DAYS AFTER PUBLICATION SO THAT THERE WOULDN'T BE A SURPRISE TO ANYBODY ANY PAYROLL THAT NEEDED TO BE ADJUSTED ANY POST PROGRAMS OR WHATEVER THEY ARE PROPOSED PAYROLL SYSTEMS THEY WOULD HAVE TIME TO BE ADJUSTED SO THAT THEY COULD COMPLY AND AND ALSO OFFER THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ANY QUESTIONS TO BE RESOLVED. SO THAT'S WHAT IS IN THE WRITTEN ORDINANCE WITH REGARD TO RULEMAKING, I THINK I JUST GOT TWO MORE QUESTIONS QUICKLY, MARY, I KNOW WE'VE GOT A LOT ON THE AGENDA HERE IN TERMS OF THE DAVIS-BACON PORTION OF IT THAT WAS LEFT OUT OF OUR ORDINANCE. BUT ISN'T IT TRUE THAT IT'S POSSIBLE FOR US TO CREATE AND OTHER CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY CAN CREATE WAYS IN WHICH TO LOOK TO ADMINISTER A PREVAILING WAGE AT THAT LOWER LEVEL THAN EIGHT AND BELOW BECAUSE THE FEDERAL AND THE STATE ARE EXEMPTED FROM THAT? CAN YOU MAYBE CLARIFY YOUR QUESTION? SO SORRY. YEAH. SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS JUST FROM THE LITERATURE THAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO RESEARCH AND LOOK OVER IS THAT YOU KNOW, THE FEDERAL HAS THAT DAVIS-BACON THAT IS AN EXEMPTION THERE. A LOT OF CITIES GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THEIR OWN RULES FOR THOSE PROPERTIES OR EIGHT AND BELOW BECAUSE IT ALLOWS THEM TO BE MORE SPECIFIC IN TERMS OF HOW THEY WANT TO ADMINISTER THOSE RULES AS IT RELATES TO THOSE THAT ARE UNDER THAT THAT IT THAT THAT EIGHT SO THAT THEY ALLOW IT'S NOT AN EXEMPTION PART IT'S LIKE OKAY WELL THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS EXEMPTED FROM THAT BUT THAT ALLOWS THEM THE CITIES TO COME UP WITH THEIR OWN WAYS IN WHICH THEY WANT TO INTRODUCE A PREVAILING WAGE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT IS IS A POSSIBILITY THAT WE COULD WE COULD DO THAT RIGHT AS OPPOSED TO JUST MAKING THOSE PROPERTIES BELOW IT EXEMPT. YES. MARY CUSTOMERS I THINK YOU'LL FIND A VERY WIDE VARIATION IN TERMS OF HOW CITIES MANAGE THAT. SO IN OUR CASE OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE APPLIES MUCH MORE BROADLY THAN THE DAVIS-BACON EXEMPTIONS. YOU'LL FIND SOME CITIES THAT HAVE LIKE MINNEAPOLIS HAS A VERY COMPLEX STRUCTURE IN TERMS OF WHAT PROJECTS ARE EXEMPT AND WHAT ARE NOT. SOME OF THAT MAY ALIGN WITH DAVIS-BACON. SOME MAY NOT SAY IN PART OF THE STATE DAVIS-BACON EXEMPTION KIND OF FRAMEWORK. SO I THINK YOU'LL FIND A VERY WIDE VARIANCE IN TERMS OF HOW CITIES HAVE CHOSEN TO IMPLEMENT THEIR RULES. SO I THINK THE SHORT ANSWER IS YES. AND SO LET ME JUST ASK A FOLLOW UP ON THAT ONE THEN. SO THEN IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, IS THERE A WAY TO GET AT SOME OF THESE CONCERNS THAT MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE IN TERMS OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE CONCERNS FOR SMALL BUSINESSES AT THAT LEVEL BY, YOU KNOW, CREATING YOUR OWN EXEMPTION FROM, YOU KNOW, 20 ALL THE WAY DOWN DOWN TO THE YES, YES. ONE LAST QUESTION WE'VE GOT TO KEEP IN HERE. SO THEN IN TERMS OF THE THE QUESTION IN TERMS OF THE EXEMPTION THAT THAT IS THE THE THE YOU KNOW, OUR EXAMPLE THAT WE'RE USING HERE, WHAT EVIDENCE WAS SUBMITTED TO STAFF TO SUBSTANTIATE THOSE CLAIMS AND THE STAFF STAND BEHIND THAT CLAIM. THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE FROM THE EVIDENCE STANDPOINT THAT THIS WOULD MAKE FOR A GOOD EXAMPLE OF AN EXEMPTION. I KNOW WE NOW HAVE YOU KNOW, THE EXEMPTION RULES BEFORE US BUT THERE ISN'T ANY OTHER WAY IN WHICH THAT WE COULD DEAL WITH WITH THOSE THOSE PARTICULAR ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT FORWARD. I'M SO SORRY. ONE MORE TIME COULD YOU JUST REPEAT THE QUESTION? LET ME SEE IF I CAN MAKE A LITTLE SIMPLER HERE. SO OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE EXAMPLE THAT THAT THAT WE WANTED IT FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE TO BRING FORTH EXAMPLES SPECIFICALLY AROUND THE WAIVER, THE EXAMPLES THAT WE'VE USED THERE. WHAT EVIDENCE HAS HAS HAS STAFF SEEN YEAH THAT THAT SUBSTANTIATES THAT THIS IS A PROBLEM AND THERE ISN'T ANY OTHER WAY OTHER THAN EXEMPTING A PREVAILING WAGE YEAH SO WELL I THINK SO THE WAY IT'S FRAMED TONIGHT IS THAT IT'S NOT A DECISION ON THIS PARTICULAR WAIVER SO I TOTALLY GET THAT. I GET THAT BUT THAT'S THE RATIONALE. MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT WAS A RATIONALE AS TO WHY THIS IS BEFORE THIS BODY AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S THE EVIDENCE BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY USING ONE EXAMPLE AND IF THERE'S LOTS OF OTHER EXAMPLES PLEASE, YOU KNOW, TELL ME ABOUT THEM. YEAH, I KIND OF REMEMBER A MOMENT I HAVE MAYOR COUNCILMEMBERS KEVIN KENNEDY WITH THE PORT AUTHORITY HERE SO I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DEVELOPER. THEY HAVE SUBMITTED THEIR PRO FORMA WHICH WE'VE REVIEWED SO WE'VE LOOKED AT THE PROJECT COST AS WELL AS OUR ESTIMATES FOR THE SOIL REMEDIATION FOR THE PROPERTY. SO THE WAIVER WOULD BE BASED ON THAT AS WELL AS THE CONDITIONS OF THE SITE THAT WOULD LIKELY PREVENT DEVELOPMENT UNDER KIND OF REASONABLE ECONOMIC CONDITIONS TO HAPPEN GIVEN THAT THOSE ARE CONDITIONS EXIST AND TYPICALLY WE DO THAT WITH A TIFF, RIGHT? CORRECT. SO SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT'S EVEN ABOVE AND BEYOND THE TIFF? I THE ANALYSIS THAT WE'VE DONE SHOWS THAT IT MAY BE DEVELOPABLE IF WE WERE TO APPLY TIFF TO THE PROPERTY OR USE TIFF TO SUBSIDIZE THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY THROUGH A SOILS CORRECTION TYPE DISTRICT OR THERE ARE OTHER INSTRUMENTS AND TOOLS THAT COULD BE SOUGHT AFTER BEYOND THE TIFF TO MITIGATE THAT RIGHT? COUNCILMEMBER LOHMANN THAT'S CORRECT. SO WE'VE BEEN THAT'S ALL I NEED. THANK YOU. WE CAN MOVE ALONG TO THE MEETING. THANKS. COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS AND COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO. OH, I'M SORRY, COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS. IT JUST A QUICK QUESTION. I PROMISE. CAN YOU PROVIDE ANY EXAMPLES OF SIMILAR PROJECTS IN COMPARABLE CITIES WHERE PREVAILING WAGE COMPLIANCE WAS WAIVED AND WHAT THE LONG TERM IMPACTS WERE BOTH POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE? YEAH. MAYOR COUNCILMEMBERS I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS A CITY THAT HAS A SIMILAR WAIVER PROVISION OTHER THAN BUT THERE ARE EXAMPLES OF CITIES THAT HAVE SIMILAR EXEMPTIONS SO THAT WOULD BE ALONG THE LINES OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE A SMALL PROJECT EXEMPTIONS BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF A SIMILAR WAIVER. CAN YOU NAME SOME OF THE CITIES HE IF YOU DON'T MIND YES. >> ST PAUL HAS A SIMILAR I MEAN I KNOW WE'VE REFERENCED I WON A LOT I KNOW THAT MINNEAPOLIS AND INCLUDES EXEMPTIONS FOR THESE SMALLER PROJECTS A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ORDINANCE ARE FRAMED A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY SO THEY DON'T ALWAYS APPLY TO SMALLER PROJECTS BUT IT IS FAIRLY COMMON FOR SINGLE FAMILY PROJECTS TO BE EXEMPT FROM THESE ORDINANCES IF CONSTITUTIONAL QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND WILL OPEN OUR PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 4.1 REGARDING OUR PREVAILING WAGE ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS. I KNOW A NUMBER OF YOU HAVE ALREADY SIGNED IN AND WE CAN JUST QUEUE UP AND GO THROUGH IT. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO ARE JUST A COUPLE OF GROUND RULES HERE. WE WE LIMIT OUR PUBLIC HEARING COMMENTS TO FIVE MINUTES AND I WILL CUT YOU OFF AT FIVE MINUTES NOT BECAUSE I'M A BUT BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAS THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME TO KEEP YOU ON TRACK. WE DO HAVE THE SHOT CLOCK UP ON THE WALL AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO KEEP TRACK AND SEE WHAT WHAT THAT IS AND FOLLOW HOW FAR YOU ARE INTO YOUR COMMENTS. IF YOU ASK QUESTIONS WHAT WE'LL DO IS JUST JOT QUESTIONS DOWN AND WE WILL ANSWER THEM AT THE END OF THE PUBLIC HEARING RATHER THAN TRYING TO SHOOT FROM THE HIP AND ANSWER QUESTIONS WE WILL WE WILL ANSWER THEM AT THE END OF THE HEARING AND AND EVERYBODY WILL GET AN OPPORTUNITY HERE AND WE'LL WE'LL GET THROUGH EVERYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENTS AND THEN WE WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE COUNCIL FOR OUR COMMENTS. SO AS YOU START LIKE ANY PUBLIC HEARING, IF YOU COULD PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO SIGN IN AS YOU'RE STANDING THERE YOU COULD TAKE THE CLIPBOARD BACK WITH YOU AND JUST GET SIGNED IN. SO VERY GOOD. AWESOME RUNAWAY WELL GOOD EVENING MAYOR BUSSE AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS LUCAS FRANCO AND I'M THE RESEARCH MANAGER FOR LEONA, MINNESOTA AND NORTH DAKOTA. WE'RE A CONSTRUCTION UNION REPRESENTING 14,000 WORKERS INCLUDING OVER 100 HERE IN BLOOMINGTON. FIRST I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL AND CITY STAFF FOR LEADERSHIP AND ADVANCING IMPORTANT WAGE THEFT PREVENTION LEGISLATION LAST YEAR. I APPRECIATE BEING PART OF A REALLY THOUGHTFUL PROCESS TO UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES OF WORKER EXPLOITATION AND UNFAIR COMPETITION IN MULTIFAMILY HOUSING AND TO WORK ON CLEAR SOLUTIONS AND I THINK YOUR DECISIVE LEADERSHIP IN ADVANCING PREVAILING WAGE STANDARDS WAS WAS VERY ENCOURAGING AND APPRECIATED. SECOND, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR THE COLLECTIVE EFFORT TO BUILD CRITICALLY NEEDED AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO MANY MINNESOTANS OUR HOUSING COST BURDEN INCLUDING ROUGHLY 25% OF BLOOMINGTON RESIDENTS ACCORDING TO THE ALL THINGS HOUSING REPORT. MANY FAMILIES INCLUDING MANY OF OUR MEMBERS STRUGGLE TO FIND AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN REVIEWING THE DATA IT'S CLEAR BLOOMINGTON HAS MADE IMMENSE STRIDES IN PRIORITIZING HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AND IT'S DEVELOPED THOUSANDS OF NEW UNITS IN RECENT YEARS AND WE SHARE, AS YOU KNOW, YOUR COMMITMENT TO NEW HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AND ARE EAGER TO SUPPORT YOUR EFFORTS TO GET THIS DONE. WE'VE WORKED HARD AS AN ORGANIZATION AT THE LOCAL AND STATE LEVEL TO SUPPORT HOUSING PRODUCTION BY ADVOCATING FOR HOUSING INFRASTRUCTURE BONDS, BROWNFIELD CLEAN UP GRANTS, REVOLVING LOAN FUNDS FOR COUNTY CCDS, ZONING REFORMS AND MUCH MORE TO TRY TO INCREASE OUR SUPPLY OF HOUSING . BUT FUNDAMENTALLY WE CAN'T TRY TO SOLVE OUR HOUSING CRISIS ON THE BACKS OF VULNERABLE WORKERS AND THIS IS WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY FACES RAMPANT WAGE THEFT AND TAX FRAUD NEARLY A QUARTER OF WORKERS ARE MISCLASSIFIED OR PAID OFF THE BOOKS DEVELOPERS CUTTING COSTS OFTEN WITH ILLICIT CONTRACTORS ENDS UP UNDERCUTTING THE MARKET AND HURTING EVERYONE BOTH CONTRACTORS THAT PLAY BY THE RULES AND WORKERS AND THE PREVAILING WAGE ORDINANCE IN PLACE IS A REALLY IMPORTANT STEP TO STOP THAT. BUT WE'RE NOW FACING A SITUATION IN WHICH A DEVELOPER WITH A CONCERNING TRACK RECORD AS YOU'LL HEAR LATER HAS COME FORWARD TO THE CITY SEEKING AN EXEMPTION. THEY'RE CLAIMING THEY NEED THIS EXEMPTION BASED ON REALLY OUTLANDISH CLAIMS ABOUT THEIR ABILITY TO CUT LABOR COSTS BY POTENTIALLY 20%. THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THAT THIS CAN BE DONE IN OUR OPINION WITHOUT VERY DRACONIAN CUTS TO WAGES AND LIKELY COMPLETELY SLASHING ANY BENEFITS. I UNDERSTAND THE PROFOUND DESIRE TO BUILD MORE HOUSING AND THE CHALLENGES THAT COME WITH HARD TO DEVELOP SITES BUT WE CAN'T SACRIFICE FAIR WORKER TREATMENT AND WAGES IN OUR DRIVE TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO BUILD NEW HOUSING WHEN A DEVELOPER DEMANDS LOWER LABOR STANDARDS OR THREATENS TO WALK AWAY THAT'S NOT NEGOTIATING IN OUR OPINION. THAT'S EXTORTION. CITY SHOULD NEVER BE FORCED TO CHOOSE BETWEEN DECENT WAGES AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. BLOOMINGTON SHOULD HOLD FIRM TO ITS COMMITMENT TO BUILD PUBLICLY SUBSIDIZED PROJECTS THE RIGHT WAY AND MAINTAIN PREVAILING WAGE PROTECTIONS THAT UPHOLD THE CITY'S VALUES. THIRD, WE'RE ALSO DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE POLICY CHANGES THEMSELVES. WE SEE THERE'S NO CLEAR PROCESS FOR EVALUATING EXEMPTION REQUESTS INCLUDING WHAT DATA JUSTIFYING EXEMPTION WILL BE MADE PUBLIC. THERE'S NO ANALYSIS. WE'RE AWARE OF HOW MANY PROJECTS COULD POTENTIALLY QUALIFY IN TERMS OF SITES THERE ALSO SEEMS TO BE CONFUSION AROUND WHETHER A PHASED EXEMPTION WOULD APPLY TO REMEDIATION OR THE ENTIRE PROJECT. AND FINALLY THE 20 UNIT EXEMPTION IS OUT OF STATE, IS OUT OF STEP WITH BOTH FEDERAL AND RECENTLY ESTABLISHED STATE PRESIDENT PRECEDENT AROUND THE HIGH TECH POLICY WHEN IT COMES TO UNIT EXEMPTION SIZES. SO IT SEEMS QUITE RANDOM TO US AND ALL OF THESE COMPONENTS RAISE FUNDAMENTAL RED FLAGS ABOUT THE POLICY ITSELF. FOURTH, I ALSO WANT TO SHARE FRUSTRATION ABOUT HOW THE PROCESS HAS UNFOLDED. I GREATLY APPRECIATE STAFF ENGAGEMENT RECENTLY BUT THERE'S BEEN INSUFFICIENT ENGAGEMENT FROM THE BEGINNING NO PROACTIVE OUTREACH TO US BEFORE SIX DAYS AGO DESPITE BEING ONE OF THE FIRST PARTIES ENGAGED LAST YEAR. SO THIS TOTALLY CAME OUT OF THE BLUE. WE FIRST HEARD ABOUT IT FROM A REPORTER ACTUALLY AND IN CONCLUSION I ASKED THAT AT A MINIMUM YOU TABLE THE PROPOSAL TO GIVE COMMUNITY OUPS SUCH AS OURSELVES MORE TIME TO WEIGH IN AND STAFF MORE TIME TO RESOLVE AMBIGUITIES AND GAPS IN THE PROPOSAL. IT WOULD BE MUCH BETTER, HOWEVER, TO SIMPLY REJECT THE DEEPLY FLAWED POLICY PROPOSAL WE KNOW WE NEED TO DEVELOP MORE HOUSING AND WE'RE COMMITTED TO ADDRESSING DEVELOPMENT CHALLENGES BUT PLEASE DON'T GRANT EXEMPTIONS THAT PIT NEW DEVELOPMENT AGAINST JUST LABOR STANDARDS. THERE'S BETTER WAYS TO DEVELOP CHALLENGING SITES THAN OPENING THE DOOR TO SLASHING FAIR WAGES AND BENEFITS. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS ISSUE AND FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU AND APOLOGIES FOR OUR SHOT CLOCK NOT WORKING BUT YOU STILL MADE IT UNDER FIVE. WELL DONE. AND SO YEAH, ABSOLUTELY WELL DONE. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS JAKE SCHWEITZER. I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF NORTH STAR POLICY ACTION. WE'RE A THINK TANK THAT PROMOTES DATA DRIVEN SOLUTIONS TO HELP WORKING MINNESOTANS THRIVE. LAST YEAR I TESTIFIED AT THE MEETING WHERE YOU PASSED THE PREVAILING WAGE ORDINANCE AND I'DIKE TO JUST REMIND YOU ALL OF THE SCALE OF THE PROBLEM THAT YOU WERE ADDRESSING AT THAT TIME. WORKER ABUSE IN THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY IS DISTURBINGLY COMMON. A STUDY BY THE MIDWEST ECONOMIC POLICY INSTITUTE ESTIMATES THAT 310,000 CONSTRUCTION WORKERS ARE ILLEGALLY MISCLASSIFIED AS INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS OR PAID OFF THE BOOKS, MAKING UP 23% OF THE CONSTRUCTION WORKFORCE IN THE STATE. LAST YEAR I TESTIFIED ABOUT OUR OWN RESEARCH WE IDENTIFIED PUBLICLY SUBSIDIZED HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS THAT EMPLOYED CONTRACTORS WITH A HISTORY OF ABUSING WORKERS. AND IN TOTAL WE IDENTIFIED OVER $84 MILLION IN TAX INCREMENT FINANCING AND LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT SUBSIDIES THAT HAVE GONE TO PROJECTS EMPLOYING CONTRACTORS WITH PROVEN OR ALLEGED LABOR VIOLATIONS. AT AN EVEN EARLIER MEETING. THIS COUNCIL HEARD FROM LUPI DEVELOPMENT. FRAN ACCOMPANIES AND FREE TO DRYWALL. THESE ARE COMPANIES THAT PAY PREVAILING WAGES AND TREAT THEIR WORKERS FAIRLY WHILE BUILDING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT OUR COMMUNITIES NEED. AND THEY TOLD YOU THAT THEY'RE STRUGGLING TO COMPETE IN THIS MARKET AGAINST COMPANIES THAT ARE ALLOWED TO DRIVE DOWN THEIR COSTS BY EXPLOITING WORKERS. POLICIES LIKE THE ORDINANCE YOU PASSED LAST YEAR. LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD AND ALLOW LEGITIMATE BUILDERS TO COMPETE IN A FAIR MARKET. THESE BUILDERS ALSO TOLD YOU THAT PREVAILING WAGE REQUIREMENTS DO LITTLE TO INCREASE THE COSTS OF HOUSING CONSTRUCTION. SO LONG AS YOU'RE COMPARING LEGITIMATE BUILDERS WITH LEGITIMATE BUILDERS THEY TOLD YOU THAT CLAIMS OF PREVAILING WAGE INCREASING PROJECT COSTS ONLY HAPPEN WHEN COMPARING LEGITIMATE BUILDERS TO THOSE WHO MISCLASSIFY AND MISTREAT THEIR WORKERS. NOW WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS TO CREATE A MARKET WHERE LEGITIMATE BUILDERS CAN THRIVE WHILE CROWDING OUT CRIMINA BEHAVIOR. THE STATE LEGISLATURE ADDED PREVAILING WAGE REQUIREMENTS TO THE LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROGRAM. AND THANKS TO YOU ALL. BLOOMINGTON JOINED THE GROWING NUMBER OF CITIES ACROSS THE METRO AREA ADDING PREVAILING WAGE TO CITY FUNDED PROJECTS. NOW THIS YEAR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS TURNING BACK PROGRESS ABANDONING WORKING PEOPLE IN FAVOR OF MONEYED INTERESTS. I URGE YOU TO RESIST A SIMILAR TURN AND INSTEAD STAY TRUE TO THE BLOOMINGTON THAT YOU SAID THAT YOU WERE LAST YEAR. ONE THAT STANDS FOR GOOD JOBS WITH FAMILY SUSTAINING WAGES AND GOOD BENEFITS. IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF PUBLIC FUNDS IN BLOOMINGTON TO PROTECT WORRS AND UPHOLD THE LAW AND TO CREATE A MARKETPLACE IN YOUR CITY THAT ALLOWS LEGITIMATE BUSINESSES TO COMPETE. THE PREVAILING WAGE POLICY THAT YOU PASSED A YEAR AGO IS THE BEST TOOL WE HAVE TO ACCOMPLISH THESE GOALS. SO I URGE YOU TO OPPOSE ANY EXEMPTIONS TO THAT POLICY AND STAND WITH WORKING PEOPLE IN YOUR CITY. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO TESTIFY. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THE LOVE YOU'RE SHARING THERE FOLKS. BUT I DO WANT TO SAY WITHIN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS WE DO NOT LIKE TO APPLAUD JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE THERE. THERE MAY BE SOMEBODY THAT YOU DISAGREE WITH AND WE THEN WOULDN'T WANT A BOOING CONTEST TO GO ON EITHER. SO IF WE COULD JUST RESPECT THE PROCESS HERE AND IF WE COULD REFRAIN FROM APPLAUSE, I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IT. GOOD EVENING. WELCOME. GOOD EVENING CHAIR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT. MY NAME ISOODROW PINER. I'M A BUSINESS REPRESENTATIVE WITH THE NORTH CENTRAL STATE'S REGIONAL COUNCIL OF CARPENTERS. AND I'VE BEEN ON STAFF FOR TEN YEARS. ONE OF MY ROLES WITH THE NC US RCC IS WORKING ON THE TAX FRAUD TEAM WHICH IS A UNIT THAT UNCOVERS WORKERS BEING EXPLOITED ON CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS WHICH IS UNFORTUNATELY THE REASON I'M HERE TONIGHT. ENCLAVE IS SEEKING EXEMPTION FROM PREVAILING WAGE LANGUAGE WHICH WAS RECENTLY ADOPTED BY THE CITY IN REGARDS TO TWO FINANCE PROJECTS. HISTORY LESSONS WITH ENCLAVES CHOICES OF SUBCONTRACTORS THEY HAVE HIRED ON THE TWIN CITIES PROJECTS TELLS A STORY THAT SOUNDS A BIT DIFFERENT THAN SOIL REMEDIATION COST WORRIES INFLATING A PROJECT COST TO NOT BE FEASIBLE SINCE ENTERING THE MARKET PRIOR TO 2020. ENCLAVE HAS HAD A HISTORY OF HIRING SUBCONTRACTORS ON UNLICENSED SCOPES OF WORK WHO HAVE A PUBLICLY CHECKERED PAST SOLICITING IMPOSSIBLE LOW NUMBERS IF THEY ARE OPERATING ABOVE THE BOARD. SUBCONTRACTORS OPERATING ON ENCLAVE PROJECTS PROVIDE BELOW THE BOARD NUMBERS PAYING WORKERS OFF THE BOOKS MISCLASSIFICATION NOT PAYING OVERTIME AND NOT PROVIDING WORKERS COMPENSATION THAT PROTECTS WORKERS FROM JOB SITE ACCIDENTS. IN THE SPRING OF 2021 ENCLAVE ASKED THE CITY OF BROOKLYN PARK FOR $2.4 MILLION IN TIFF FOR A 146 UNIT APARTMENT PROJECT. TESTIMONY WAS GIVEN BY VARIOUS INDIVIDUALS AT A CITY COUNCIL MEETING IN REGARDS TO SUBCONTRACTOR WHOSE ENCLAVE IT HIRED ON THEIR TWIN CITIES PROJECTS. THE CITY TABLED THE MATTER AND EVENTUALLY REJECTED THE TIFF REQUEST. NOT CONFIDENT THAT ENCLAVE WOULD PROTECT WORKERS ON ON THE BACKS OF OUR CY MONEY. FOLLOWING THE TESTIMONY AND PRIOR TO THE TIFF REJECTION A REPRESENTATIVE FROM ENCLAVE SAID IN A STATEMENT PROVIDED TO THE HOMETOWN SOURCE PUBLICATION THAT ENCLAVE HAD MADE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO ITS PRACTICES FOLLOWING ACCUSATIONS AGAINST ITS SUBCONTRACTORS TRYING TO PROVIDE A GUARDRAIL THAT THIS WOULD NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. I GUESS IT WASN'T ENOUGH TO CONTINUE TO HIRE THE SAME SUBS. ALTHOUGH ENCLAVE LOST THE TURF, THE PROJECT SHRUNK IN SIZE AND MOVED ON DESPITE BEING WARNED ABOUT WOLF CONSTRUCTION AND THE LOWER TIER SUBCONTRACTOR CREWS THAT PERFORM THE WOOD FRA WORK UNDERNEATH THEIR SUPERVISION. ENCLAVE AGAIN HIRED THEM FOR THE BROOKLYN PARK PROJECT IN APRIL OF 2023. NELSON LOPEZ WAS CHARGED WITH WORKMAN'S COMP PREMIUM INSURANCE FRAUD BY HENNEPIN COUNTY. AND COINCIDENTALLY LOPEZ AND HIS COMPANY HAD PERFORMED MOST OF THE WOOD FRAMING DIRECTLY UNDERNEATH THE SUPERVISION OF WOLFE ON THEIR BROOKLYN PARK PROJECT. THE STAR AND TRIBUNE IN FACT NAMED THE BROOKLYN PARK PROJECT AND HIS STORY ABOUT THE CHARGES IN WHICH LOPEZ WOULD EVENTUALLY PLEAD GUILTY. THAT PROJECT WOULD BE THE SPRINGBOARD FOR BROOKLYN PARK ADOPTING PREVAILING WAGE ON THEIR TIFF MONEY. APPROXIMATELY A MONTH BEFORE THE CITY DID IT. THIS WOULD NOT BE THE FIRST OR THE LAST TIME ENCLAVE WOULD HIRE A SUBCONTRACTOR WHO WAS EITHER UNDER INVESTIGATION OR HAD ALREADY HAD PUBLIC DOCUMENTATION DONE DEPICTING ILLEGAL PRACTICES, LAYING THE GROUNDWORK FOR WORKER EXPLOITATION ON A PROJECT A NEIGHBORING RICHFIELD ENCLAVE HIRED ABSOLUTE DRYWALL INC. ABSOLUTE PRIOR TO BEING HIRED ON THIS PROJECT HAD STATE AND FEDERAL FINDINGS INCLUDING MISCLASSIFICATION UNPAID OVERTIME AND CHILD LABOR VIOLATIONS. MOST RECENTLY IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR THE MINNESOTA DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN RIGHTS AND ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE FILED A CIVIL LAWSUIT AGAINST ABSOLUTE DRYWALL FOR SEX DISCRIMINATION AND RETALIATION FOR FIRING A FEMALE WORKER AFTER SHE REPORTED SEXUAL HARASSMENT AND VEAP ON THE JOB. THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF PUBLICLY DOCUMENTED SUBCONTRACTORS HIRED BY ENCLAVE. THERE ARE OTHER SUBCONTRACTORS WHO ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON OR RECENTLY PERFORMED WORK ON ENCLAVE PROJECTS WHO HAVE HAD WORKERS COME INTO OUR OFFICE AND GIVE STATEMENTS THE SAME STORIES OF WORKING DIRECTLY UNDERNEATH THE SUPERVISION OF THESE SUBCONTRACTORS BEING PAID IN CASH NOT BEING PAID OVERTIME, NOT BEING PAID EARN AND SICK AND SAFE TIME AND NOT BEING COVERED UNDERNEATH A WORK COMP POLICY. NONE OF THE SUBCONTRACTORS MENTIONED IN THIS TESTIMONY HAVE WORKED ON PREVAILING WAGE PROJECTS EVEN THOUGH BOTH UNION AND NONUNION SUBCONTRACTORS ARE WELCOME TO BID ON THESE PROJECTS. THIS IN THE FACT THAT ENCLAVE IS HERE TRYING TO CARVE OUT EXEMPTIONS TELLS US THAT PREVAILING WAGE WORK'S PREVAILING WAGE WAS BUILT TO PREVENT CONTRACTORS OR DEVELOPERS LIKE ENCLAVE FOR OFF PUBLIC RESOURCES AND EXPLOITING WORKERS PREVAILING WAGE WAS BUILT FOR THAT AND IT WORKS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU . GOOD EVENING. WELCOME. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL I'LL START WITH SOME GOOD NEWS. I WAS EXPECTING TWO MINUTES SO I'LL BE DONE WELL UNDER FIVE. I'M AARON ROSENTHAL. I'M THE RESEARCH DIRECTOR WITH NORTHSTAR POLICY ACTION, A THINK TANK DEDICATED TO IMPROVING THE LIVES OF WORKING MINNESOTANS. AS A RESEARCH DIRECTOR I'M HERE TO GIVE THE NERDY TESTIMONY. I WANT TO FOCUS ON ONE SPECIFIC POINT IN THIS DEBATE THE IMPACT OF PREVAILING WAGE ON CONSTRUCTION COSTS. IN A LETTER SUBMITTED TO THIS COUNCIL FOR THE JUNE 30TH MEETING ENCLAVE CONSTRUCTION CLAIMED THAT PAYING PREVAILING WAGE WOULD LEAD TO A 20% INCREASE IN CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND THE 3901 MINNESOTA DRIVE PROJECT. THAT CLAIM FAILS IN AT LEAST TWO WAYS THAT EXEMPLIFY WHY THE PREVAILING WAGE ORDINANCE SHOULD REMAIN AS IS. FIRST, IT GOES AGAINST A BODY OF SCHOLARLY RESEARCH DEMONSTRATING THAT PREVAILING WAGE HAS LITTLE TO NO IMPACT ON CONSTRUCTION COSTS. WHEN ONE ACTOR WITH A SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL INTEREST MAKES A CLAIM THAT DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS A LARGE NUMBER OF PEER REVIEWED RIGOROUS STUDIES, IT SHOULD RAISE SOME QUESTIONS TO THE EXTENT THAT EXISTING RESEARCH HAS FOUND PREVAILING WAGE INCREASES COSTS. THE UPPERIMIT HAS BEEN AROUND 6%, NOT 20%. MOREOVER, THIS MODEST IMPACT HAS BEEN LINKED BACK TO WIDESPREAD LABOR EXPLOITATION ILLEGALLY DRIVING DOWN LABOR COSTS FURTHER UNDERSCORING WHY PREVAILING WAGE IS NEEDED IN THE FIRST PLACE. THAT BRINGS ME TO MY SECOND POINT. I RAN AN ANALYSIS WHICH YOU HAVE IN YOUR IN THE WRITTEN TESTIMONY AND FOUND THAT ENCLAVES CLAIM A PREVAILING WAGE DRIVING A 20% INCREASE IN CONSTRUCTION COSTS COULD ONLY HAPPEN IF MANY WORKERS WERE INITIALLY TO BE PAID $10.20 PER HOUR IN WAGES ALONG WITH $6.47 IN FRINGE BENEFITS. I DO NOT BELIEVE IT IS A MISTAKE THAT THIS WAGE ESTIMATE IS BELOW THE STATE'S MINIMUM WAGE BUT RATHER POINTS TOWARDS AN IMPORTANT TRUTH TO CLAIM A 20% CONSTRUCTION HIKE IS TO SUGGEST MANY WORKERS WILL EXPERIENCE WAGE THEFT IN THE ABSENCE OF A PREVAILING WAGE. UNFORTUNATELY, UNLIKE THE 20% ARGUMENT, THAT CLAIM DOES ALIGN WITH THE HISTORICAL RECORD AS YOU JUST HEARD WHERE WE'VE SEEN ENCLAVE UTILIZE SUBCOUNTY ACTORS ENGAGING IN ILLEGAL WORKER EXPLOITATION. PUT SIMPLY ENCLAVES 20% CONSTRUCTION COST INCREASE CLAIM DOESN'T ALIGN WITH RESEARCH AND POINTS TOWARD A LEGALLY LOW PAY BECAUSE BLOOMINGTON'S PREVAILING WAGE ORDINANCE WAS DESIGNED TO PREVENT EXACTLY THIS KIND OF WORKER EXPLOITATION. IT IS PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT THAT THE ORDINANCE BE KEPT IN PLACE AS IT IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO TESTIFY. THANK YOU FOR LEAVING. WELCOME. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL . I ALSO DO NOT INTEND TO TAKE THE FULL FIVE MINUTES. MY NAME IS TIM WATKINS. I'M A COMPLIANCE INVESTIGATOR WITH THE FAIR CONTRACTING FOUNDATION. WE ARE A NONPROFIT IT LABOR MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE SO WE ARE JOINTLY TRUSTED AND FUNDED BY NNESOTA'S BUILDING TRADES UNIONS AS WELL AS THEIR SIGNATORY CONTRACTORS. WE ARE HERE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE 70,000 MEN AND WOMEN IN MINNESOTA'S BUILDING TRADES AS WELL AS MORE THAN 2000 SIGNATORY CONTRACTORS. WE ARE CREATED TO SERVE AS A COMPLIANCE MONITOR PRIMARILY FOCUSING ON PREVAILING WAGE BUT OVER THE YEARS THAT PORTFOLIO HAS EXPANDED TO INCLUDE ISSUES LIKE WAGE THEFT ,PAYROLL FRAUD, INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR MISCLASSIFICATION AND THE LIKE. I'M JUST WANT TO TALK WITH YOU VERY BRIEFLY ABOUT WHY PREVAILING WAGE WAS CREATED IN THE FIRST PLACE AND HOW THE CITY'S CURRENTLY EXISTING ORDINANCE DOVETAILS VERY NICELY WITH THAT ORIGINAL INTENT. TYPICALLY PEOPLE THINK OF PREVAILING WAGE AND THEY THINK OF DAVIS-BACON WHICH WAS PASSED IN 1931 BUT REALLY PREVAILING WAGES HISTORY GOES BACK A LOT FURTHER THAN THAT. IT WAS FIRST CREATED IN 1891 IN THE STATE OF KANSAS AND BEFORE DAVIS-BACON WAS ADOPTED DURING THE GREAT DEPRESSION. FIVE OTHER STATES HAD PASSED SOME VERSION OF PREVAILING WAGE. SO THIS POLICY REALLY IS THE RESULT OF KIND OF THE LABORATORIES OF DEMOCRACY DOING WHAT THEY DO WHERE WE GET TO TEST OUT POLICY AND SEE HOW WELL IT WORKS BEFORE SCALING IT UP IN SOME CASES SCALING IT DOWN TO THE LOCAL LEVEL. AND WHEN PREVAILING WAGE WAS FIRST PASSED IT WAS PART OF A SUITE OF WORKER PROTECTIONS THAT NOT ONLY NOT ONLY ABOUT ESTABLISHING LOCAL WAGE STANDARDS BUT ALSO INCLUDING RESTRICTIONS ON THE USE OF CONVICT LABOR AND CHILD LABOR IN THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY IN THE STATE OF KANSAS FROM ITS INCEPTION. IT WAS SEEN AS A WAY TO PROTECT WORKERS FROM BEING EXPLOITED BY UNSCRUPULOUS BUSINESSES AS WELL AS TO PROTECT THOSE BUSINESSES THAT TRY TO DO THINGS LEGITIMATELY AND THAT ARE AS YOU'VE HEARD ALREADY THIS EVENING THAT ARE CONSTANTLY, YOU KNOW, EXPERIENCING PRESSURE FROM COMPANIES THAT ARE DOING THINGS ILLEGITIMATELY THAT MAKE IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO TRANSACT BUSINESS. AND SO THAT'S WHAT I JUST WANT TO WOULD URGE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER RETAINING THE POLICY IN ITS CURRENT FORM BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE VERSION THAT WAS PASSED LAST YEAR REALLY DOES KEEP TO THAT ORIGINAL SPIRIT OF PREVAILING WAGE WHICH IS AGAIN ABOUT PROTECTING WORKERS WHILE ALSO MAKING IT POSSIBLE FOR LEGITIMATE BUSINESSES THAT DO THINGS RIGHT THAT PAY TAXES THAT HAVE INSURANCE TO COVER ALL OF THEIR WORKERS IN THE EVENT OF INJURY AND WHATNOT TO BE ABLE TO REMAIN COMPETITIVE. AND I DO ALSO JUST WANT TO TALK VERY BRIEFLY I KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN JUST SOME SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT JUST HOW PREVAILING WAGE RATES ARE ESTABLISHED AND WE SAY THAT THEY'RE BASED ON AREA STANDARDS IN MINNESOTA THAT IS DONE VIA A SURVEY THAT IS AVAILABLE TO ALL CONTRACTORS FROM THE TINY LITTLE SOLE PROPRIETORSHIPS UP TO THE ENORMOUS GENERAL CONTRACTORS TO THE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR AND INDUSTRY SENDS THAT REQUEST OUT TO EVERYBODY WHO'S BEEN DOING WORK IN THE STATE AND JUST ASK THEM FOR A COUPLE OF BASIC PIECES OF INFO WHAT TYPE OF WORK WE'RE DOING, WHERE WAS IT BEING DONE AND WHAT WERE YOU PAYING YOUR WORKERS. AND THEN THEY TAKE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION AND ON A COUNTY BY COUNTY BASIS THEY GO THROUGH AND ASSESS WHICH WAS THE RATE THAT OCCURRED MOST FREQUENTLY. SO AGAIN, TRYING TO ASSESS WHAT ARE THE WAGE RATES AND BENEFIT PACKAGES THAT CONTRACTORS ARE PAYING MOST FREQUENTLY. IN STATISTICAL TERMS THIS IS REFERRED TO AS THE MODE AND SO I IF COUNSEL WOULD LIKE WE'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PROVIDE EXCUSE ME FULL DATA ON THE MOST RECENT SURVEY RESULTS THAT WERE JUST PUBLISHED IN DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU KNOW THE RATES FOR CARPENTRY AND CEMENT AND ROOFING AND WHATEVER ELSE FOR HENNEPIN COUNTY AND AND HOW MANY SURVEYS WERE SUBMITTED BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PROVIDE ALL THAT REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT OF NUMBER CRUNCHING BUT IF ANYBODY IS CURIOUS ABOUT WHERE THOSE NUMBERS CAME FROM AND HOW THOSE RATES GET SET AND WHETHER THEY ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF WORK THAT'S BEING DONE, I CAN ASSURE YOU IT DEFINITELY IS AND WE'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT AS I DIDN'T WANT TO BRING UP A BUNCH OF SPREADSHEETS TONIGHT BUT AGAIN I JUST WOULD URGE COUNCIL PLEASE STRONGLY CONSIDER REJECTING THIS PROCESS TO GRANT WAIVERS TO PROJECTS BECAUSE THAT IN OUR VIEW IS SUBVERTING THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF PREVAILING WAGE 130 YEARS AGO AND SUBVERTS THE INTENT OF THE POLICY THAT WAS PASSED LAST YEAR. SO THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU . GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS CHELSEA ROBERTS GABBY AND I'M THE PRESIDENT AT THE MINNEAPOLIS REGIONAL LABOR FEDERATION OF THE AFL-CIO AND WE REPRESENT UNIONS AND WORKERS ALL THROUGHOUT MINNEAPOLIS AND THE SUBURBAN COMMUNITIES AROUND THE WEST METRO ALL THE WAY UP TO ANOKA COUNTY. AND YOU'VE HEARD A LOT FROM CONSTRUCTION TONIGHT. BUT I DO WANT TO PUT A FINER POINT ON THAT THE IDEA OF COMMUNITY BENEFITS WHICH PREVAILING WAGE IS A PIECE OF THAT IS ACTUALLY SEEN AN EXPANSION THROUGHOUT OUR STATE AND THROUGHOUT OUR LOCAL COMMUNITIES. SO NOT ONLY IS THIS GOING TO BE SETTING A SIGNIFICANT PRECEDENT WITHIN A VERY SPECIFIC LANE OF WORK, IT COULD ALSO HOLD THINGS BACK. WE'RE SEEING AN EXPANSION IN PROTECTIONS FOR WORKERS AND ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTIONS AND HOSPITALITY SECURITY, JANITORIAL AND HERE IN BLOOMINGTON, A BIG ONE IS MANUFACTURING. SO THIS ISIKE GOING TO HAVE IMPLICATIONS BEYOND JUST THE VERY SPECIFIC PIECES OF INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE HEARING ABOUT TONIGHT. WE APPRECIATE BEING A PARTNER WITH BLOOMINGTON AND ALL OF ITS DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES. IT'S AMAZING RECORD ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE THESE REALLY BIG PROJECTS THAT NEED TO COME TO FRUITION. WORKERS ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE THE FIRST ONE AT THE TABLE TO HELP GET THAT TO THE FINISH LINE AND WE DO FEEL LIKE AFTER THE ROBUST ENGAGEMENT WE HAD OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS THAT THIS DOES COME AT IN A WAY THAT WE HAVEN'T WORKED WITH BLOOMINGTON IN THE PAST. SO THERE ARE SOME REAL POLICY PROCESS CONCERNS IN ADDITION TO A LOT OF THE POLICY ELEMENTS THAT YOU'VE HEARD HERE TONIGHT. SO WE DO BELIEVE THAT IT'S BEST TO VOTE AGAINST THIS POLICY AND THAT THERE'S BETTER WAYS TO GET TO THAT ALIGNMENT. WE DID HEAR QUITE A BIT FROM THE STAFF ABOUT SEEKING ALIGNMENT. WE HAVE THE EXPERTS IN THE ROOM WHO ARE THINKING ABOUT THE BEST WAYS TO GET MORE AND MORE ALIGNMENT BECAUSE AS THE STATE AND LOCAL COMMUNITIES ARE THE FINAL BACKSTOP FOR THIS FOR THIS TYPE OF WORK RIGHT NOW IN THIS CURRENT ENVIRONMENT WE ALSO ARE SEEKING ALIGNMENT AND THE BEST OF THE BEST FROM EVERY REGION AND WE CAN HELP DELIVER THAT ALIGNMENT. PLEASE INCLUDE US IN THE PROCESS AND PLEASE KEEP YOUR CURRENT POLICY AS IS. THANK YOU. OTHERS PLEASE . >> EVENING MAYOR BUSSE. IT'S BEEN A WHILE. GOOD EVENING. WELCOME. MY NAME IS AMBER MATH WIG. I'M A PROUD UNIONIZED WORKER WITH TEAMSTERS LOCAL 638 AND GENERALLY A PROUD RESIDENT OF BLOOMINGTON SINCE 2020. LITTLE APPALLED THAT I EVEN HAVE TO COME HERE TONIGHT BUT IF IT'S ON THE AGENDA SOMEBODY IS TRYING TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE UNION ADVOCATES AND LABOR ADVOCATES HERE TONIGHT GIVING YOU FACTS. I'M HERE WITH FEELINGS I MAY NOT BE IN CONSTRUCTION TRADE BUT I AM A LABORER STRUGGLING UNDER THE INCREASED WEIGHT OF MAINTAINING THE MOST BASIC NEEDS OF MY HOME WHILE ALSO PAYING INCREASING PROPERTY TAXES TO THIS CITY EVERY YEAR ALL OTHER ESSENTIAL NEEDS THAT COSTS MONEY SO I CAN SURVIVE TO GO TO WORK ANOTHER DAY AGAIN AND AGAIN. >> FIRST OF ALL I'M NOT SURE HOW ON HOW I AM ON EVERY BLOOMINGTON NOTICE LISTSERV THAT EXIST MAYBE NOT THE COPS BUT EVERY OTHER ONE BUT I WAS NOT AWARE OF THIS ISSUE UNTIL THE MINNEAPOLIS REGIONAL LABOR FEDERATION POSTED ABOUT IT ON FRIDAY. I GET PLENTY OF POSTCARDS INVITING ME A RESIDENT TO GIVE COMMENT ON ALL SORTS OF ISSUES NOT THIS ONE. I COME TO THE FARMER'S MARKET ALMOST EVERY SATURDAY. DON'T SEE ANYTHING ABOUT THIS. HOW ARE WE ACTUALLY ENSURING THAT THIS INFORMATION ASKING RESIDENTS TO PARTICIPATE IS GETTING TO RESIDENTS? WHAT IS THE PARTICIPATION RATE? THAT IS MY QUESTION FOR THAT POINT. MY NOTES ARE A LITTLE SCRATCHY SINCE I HAD TO DO THIS ON THE WAY HERE. GIVE ME A SECOND. WHAT'S THAT? WHAT'S MY TIME? I GOT PLENTY OF TIME. THE EXAMPLE PROJECTS THAT I WAS ABLE TO LOOK AT FOR A FEW MINUTES LOOKS LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO PASS THE FAILURES OF THE CITY AND THE FAILURES OF THE CONTRACTOR HOURS OF PREVIOUS EVENTS ON TO THE WORKERS BY UNDERPAYING THEM IF WE ARE ALLOWED TO UNDERPAY THEM THEN WE ARE ASKING THAT THEY NOT BE ABLE TO LIVE THEIR LIVES AS WELL AS OTHERS PREVAILING WAGES ARE AT BEST AN ASSUMPTION THAT IT IS PRESUMED TO BE A COMBINATION OF A LIVING WAGE OF THEIR SKILL AND THEIR TIME IN THEIR SERVICE. DO YOU WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO LIVE HERE? SHOULD THE CONTRACT BE ALLOWED TO NOT HONOR THE TIME AND SKILLS OF THEIR LABORERS AND THEIR WORKERS? A PREVAILING WAGE ISN'T THE ORDINANCE THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED AT THIS POINT IS WHAT IT'S SOUNDING LIKE. THE ORDINANCE THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED IS THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO ACCEPT THE LOWEST BIDDER WITHOUT ANY CONSIDERATION OF THEIR HISTORY OF WORKER EXPLOITATION. I'M BEEN PRETTY PROUD TO LIVE HERE FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS LIKE WE DO REALLY GREAT THINGS. I DRIVE AROUND THE CITY AND I'M JUST LIKE I LOVE THIS PLACE. THINGS ARE GETTING BETTER AND I WANT TO BE ABLE TO KEEP SAYING THAT. SO IN THE WORDS OF HENRY NUSS, A MURDERED MINNEAPOLIS WORKER IN 1934 ON STRIKE BY THE POLICE AND THE CAPITALIST FORCES THAT WANTED NOTHING MORE THAN TO UNDERPAY THEIR LABORERS PLEASE DON'T LET ME DOWN NOW BOYS AND LADIES, THANK YOU. OTHERS REACTED. DO WE HAVE ANYONE ON THE PHONE WISHING TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE TONIGHT? MAYBE WE DO NOT HAVE ANYONE ON LINE. LAST CALL FOR ANYBODY IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS. LAST CALL ALWAYS GET SOME AND SO MAYOR, GOOD EVENING ALSO AS YOU SOME OF YOU KNOW AND I DO WORK FOR THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON, WOULD YOU PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF JUST SO WE HAVE YOU ON THE RECORD? MY NAME'S DEAN MCNEIL AND I WORK FOR THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON AS A THOMASVILLE REPRESENTATIVE AND EVALUATOR. AND JUST TO MAKE EXAMPLE OF WHAT I RAN IN TO DATE ON TO HAVE UNLICENSED WORKERS OR NOT QUALIFIED WORKERS I CAME TO A HOUSE TODAY AND I WENT AROUND IT AND I WAS LIKE OH A FURNACE WAS TOTALLY CLOSED OFF BY THE CAMP. SO I WENT INSIDE AND I TOLD THE GUY THAT HAD BOUGHT THE HOUSE AND HE'S LIKE WE WENT DOWN TO THE WATER HEATER AND SURE ENOUGH THERE'S A RED TAG THERE FROM 2019 NOBODY NOTICED IN SIX YEARS THAT THERE'S CARBON MONOXIDE GOING INTO THAT HOUSE. THEY HAD A NEW FURNACE PUT IN. NOBODY NOTICED. IT WAS NEVER FIXED. IT WAS JUST SITTING THERE. SO I WALKED HIM OUT AND I'M LIKE IT'S A FIVE MINUTE FIX. I MEAN I STARTED IN THE TRADES IN ROOFING WHEN I WAS LIKE 14 ON IN SUMMERS SO IT STANDS OUT TO ME IT'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT EASY TO BE FIXED. IS THERE IUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR CATCHING THAT TIME OF SALE PROGRAM WORKS AND NOW THIS IS LAST LAST CALL FOR ANYBODY ANYONE COUNCIL NO ONE ON THE PHONE WISHING TO SPEAK. WE'VE GOT NO ONE IN THE COUNCIL COMING FORWARD. I WOULD LOOK FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SOME OF THE SECOND MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER LOWMAN SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER RIVAS TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 4.1. NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING COUNCIL THOUGHTS QUESTIONS I SEE THE HANDS ALREADY COUNCILMEMBER D'ALESSANDRO COUNCIL MEMBER LOWMAN DALLESSANDRO THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. >> SO I THINK I PROBABLY OVER THE WEEKEND HAVE I'VE DONE AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE SOME MATH, SOME DATA WORK. THANKS FOR THE OFFER TO THE GENTLEMAN WHO ASKED IF WE COULD GET SOME OF IF WE WANTED SPREADSHEETS OR ANYTHING BUT I ALREADY GOT THEM OFF THE WEBSITE AND I DID SOME MATH. YOU KNOW WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE WAY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR SORT OF PREVAILING WAGE MAKES IT SOUND LIKE IT'S MORE THAN WHAT YOU SHOULD PAY POTENTIALLY. RIGHT? AND I LAST YEAR WHEN WE WERE HAVING THIS DEBATE I WAS REALLY CONFUSED ABOUT THE WAY THAT THE THE WAGES WERE CALCULATED. RIGHT. AND I AND I REMEMBER WHEN I VOTED FOR THIS ORDINANCE I ACTUALLY MAYBE ADMONISHED A LITTLE BIT BUT CERTAINLY ENCOURAGED THE PEOPLE IN THE CONSTRUCTION COMMUNITY WHO ARE WHO ARE ACTUAL CONTRACTORS AND TO TO SUBMIT THEIR WAGES BECAUSE TO THE POINT THAT WAS MADE EARLIER YOU CAN INFLUENCE THE PRICE THAT THIS PREVAILING WAGE IS BY SUBMITTING YOUR INFORMATION AND TELLING US WHAT YOU'RE PAYING PEOPLE BECAUSE THAT IS HOW IT WORKS AND IN FACT THE MORE INFORMATION THEY GET THE BECAUSE IT IS MODE HERE AS OPPOSED TO MEDIAN THE MOST NEW ENTERED ONE IS THE ONE THAT WINS IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE HIGHEST OR THE LOWEST IT'S JUST THE ONE THAT'S DONE MOST OFTEN AND SO I CAN ARGUE THAT'S NOT RIGHT. THAT DOESN'T MATTER. IT'S NOT WE DON'T DO THAT WORK . BUT DOING THE MATH THEN IF YOU LOOK AT IF YOU DO TAKE THE AVERAGE OF ALL OF THE NUMBERS THAT ARE ON THAT LABOR SHEET $73.37 AN HOUR IN MINNESOTA YOU PROBABLY GET WHAT, 1600 CONSTRUCTION HOURS IN A YEAR BECAUSE OF SNOW AND WINTER AND WEATHER AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. >> IF YOU DO THE MATH ON THAT NUMBER, YOU KNOW 1650 BEING AN AVERAGE OR WHATEVER IT COMES OUT TO LIKE $121,000 A YEAR WHICH IS RIGHT IN LINE WITH OUR ARMY. OUR AVERAGE MEDIAN INCOME. AND SO IT FEELS UNCOMFORTABLE FOR ME TO BE TALKING ABOUT NOT PAYING PEOPLE AVERAGE SALARIES. IT REALLY DOES. AND SO ON THE FIRST POINT WHERE IT IS LIKE IF I'M LOOKING AT THE TEST FOR WHETHER OR NOT I WANT TO AGREE TO THESE ACCOMMODATIONS, I'M GOING TO SAY IT WE'RE NOT PAYING TOO MUCH BY DOING THIS BECAUSE WE'RE PAYING AN AVERAGE INCOME AND THAT SEEMS RIGHT FOR PEOPLE WHO WORK IN OUR CITY RIGHT IN ALIGNMENT. SECONDLY, I FEEL LIKE MY MY SECOND CONCERN WAS THAT THE LANGUAGE THAT WE HAVE DOESN'T ALLOW FOR US TO HAVE A CLARITY AROUND THE THE WAY THAT YOU GO ABOUT GETTING AN EXEMPTION WHAT ARE THE SPECIFIC CRITERIA AND YOU SEE EVIDENCE OF THAT SLIPPERY THAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT WHERE I ASKED EVEN THE QUESTION AROUND THE LEGAL LEGAL CONCERNS AROUND THAT WHEN YOU SEE ALREADY IN OUR NOTES JUST TODAY TWO MORE PEOPLE SAYING WHAT ABOUT IF WE DO IT THIS WAY AND WHAT ABOUT IF WE DO IT THAT WAY? AND SO YOU'RE ALREADY SEEING YOU KNOW, NOT JUST THIS ONE EXEMPTION TYPE BUT ANY EXEMPTION TYPE AND MAYBE ALL OF THE EXEMPTION TYPES TO THE POINT WHERE IT LOSES ALL OF ITS TEETH WHATSOEVER. SO ON MY SECOND COUNT, MY SECOND REASON FOR SAYING YES OR NO IS THAT CAN IT BE ENFORCED? AND I'M VERY CONCERNED THAT IT CAN'T BE ENFORCED IN THE WAY THAT IT SHOULD BE. AND THEN THIRDLY, I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE A PROBLEM IN THE IN THE SPECIFIC CASE OF OF OF THE THE MINNESOTA BOULEVARD LOCATION THAT DOESN'T BELONG IN THIS CONVERSATION AT ALL BECAUSE THE REASON THEY CAN'T MAKE IT WORK HAS HAS OTHER THERE ARE OTHER REASONS THAT ARE MORE CULPABLE FIRST ONE BEING YOU KNOW GOODS ARE EXPENSIVE NOW TARIFFS MAKE THEM WORSE LIKE THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE HAVE CONTROL OVER. SECONDLY, INTEREST RATES ARE HIGH. THIS CURRENT ADMINISTRATION'S YOU KNOW, FISCAL POLICIES ARE MAKING THAT MORE CHALLENGING FOR EVERYONE WHO'S TRYING TO BORROW MONEY. WE SEE THAT AFFECTING THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, OUR GOOD FRIENDS AT THE MALL OF AMERICA TRYING TO MAKE A WATERPARK FOR EXAMPLE. AND IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR LIKE A LONG TIME. RIGHT. AND BY THE WAY, I THINK EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM WHO IS IS ADVOCATES FOR YOU KNOW, WORKERS HERE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE THAT PROJECT HAPPEN BECAUSE IT'S A PREVAILING WAGE EARNING JOBS THAT RIGHT BUT IT'S CAUSING THEM PROBLEMS. THE THIRD THING IS THE SITE I GROSS IF IT'S GROSS WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN CLEANING IT UP A LONG TIME AGO. LIKE I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE WAITING FOR SOMEBODY TO COME AND TRY TO BUILD ON SOMETHING TO TAKE CARE OF SOMETHING THAT SOUNDS REALLY TERRIBLE AND IF WE CAN GET ENVIRONMENT IF WE CAN GET THE CITY OF A DINER WHO'S OUR NEIGHBOR RIGHT THERE TO HELP US OUT AND WE CAN GET STATE AND FEDERAL ENVIRONMENTAL DOLLARS TO CLEAN IT UP, WE COULD SOLVE THAT PROBLEM AND MAYBE POTENTIALLY HAVE SOLVED THAT PROBLEM THREE TIMES AGO WHEN PEOPLE WERE TRYING TO BUILD ON IT SO THAT WE COULD SO THAT THAT WOULDN'T EVEN BE A CONSIDERATION AND WE COULD GET A PREVAILING WAGE OR YOU KNOW, WORKING CONTRACTOR HERE. SO I CAN'T FIND A TEST FOR WHICH I CAN VOTE YES TO THESE POLICY CHANGES, THE ADMINISTRATIVE CHANGES I'M COMPLETELY FINE WITH BUT ON THE POLICY CHANGES I JUST DON'T I DON'T SEE IT WORKING AND I DON'T SEE THE AS MUCH AS I DESPERATELY WANT HOME HOUSING TO BE MADE IN THIS CITY I, I I, I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN PUT THESE TWO AGAINST EACH OTHER. I THINK THERE'S OTHER LEVELS IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE THAT'S IN FRONT OF US AS THE EXAMPLE AND I THINK IN THE CASE OF THESE OTHER THINGS I WOULD SAY IF WE WANTED TO DO SOMETHING CREATIVE AROUND OUR OPPORTUNITY HOUSING ORDINANCE TO GET AT THAT LIKE REALLY LIKE A DEEPLY AFFORDABLE 30% AMI I'D BE OPEN TO A DISCUSSION ABOUT STUFF LIKE THAT BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE AND I THINK THIS OVERARCHING POLICY CHANGES ARE NOT NOT GOING TO WORK FOR US. SO I JUST SHARE MY COMMENTS, TRY TO DO THE MATH AND GIVE YOU THE REASONS FOR WHY I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE MEMBER LAMENT THANK YOU MAYOR OF AND THANK YOU ALL ELSE ANDRE A VERY SUCCINCT WAY YOU WENT AT THAT WELL I THINK YOU WERE CLEAR I THINK YOU'RE VERY CLEAR I I'LL GIVE YOU AND I THINK YOU WERE VERY CLEAR WITH A VERY COMPLEX TOPIC AND SUCCINCT IN THAT MANNER. SO WHAT I'LL SAY THERE IS YOU KNOW I THINK YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS AND I GET IT THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT ISSUE HERE AND WE'VE YOU KNOW, BOTH OF US HAVE SEEN THE SITE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY NOT HAVE ANYTHING DONE DONE WITH IT AND WE RUN A REAL RISK HERE OF OF OF NOT, YOU KNOW, NOT GETTING ANYTHING DONE AND I GET THAT AND SO PERSONALLY AS A COUNCIL MEMBER I THINK I'D LIKE TO SEPARATE THAT OUT FROM THIS BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT IS I THINK WE'VE GOT TO BE SERIOUS ABOUT THAT. WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO GET THAT OVER YOU KNOW, OVER THE FINISH LINE. I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PROCESS. WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT. NOW I AGREE WITH ME THAT THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN STATED HERE THAT I'M JUST NOT NOT ABLE TO MAKE THAT FINDING WITH REGARDS TO WE NEED TO HAVE A WAIVER TO TO GET THIS THING DONE. BUT I DO THINK SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE IF WE GO WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT TODAY THEY'RE TELLING US THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT AND I DON'T FIND THAT ACCEPTABLE TO GET THAT DONE. SO WHAT I WOULD HOPE THAT WE COULD DO AFTER THIS AFTER WE MAKE OUR DECISION AROUND THIS IS TO TAKE THAT OUT AND HAVE A HAVE A CONVERSATION TO IN ALL DUE SPEED GET THAT RESOLVED BEFORE THE END OF AUGUST. AND I KNOW THAT'S A PRIORITY HERE SO YOU KNOW, STAFF HAS KIND OF BROUGHT FORWARD THE MODEL AS WE LOOK THROUGH THESE OTHER FIVE ITEMS HERE. I'LL TRY TO MOVE QUICKLY THROUGH THESE THINGS HERE AND THE MODEL WAS WE'RE GOING TO USE SAINT PAUL'S EXAMPLE. WELL ST PAUL DOES NOT HAVE YOU KNOW, A WAIVER PROCESS OF BILL ST PAUL SO YOU CAN'T I DON'T THINK YOU KNOW FROM A STAFFING STANDPOINT AS WE'RE PUTTING THIS FORWARD WE CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. I THINK WE KIND OF WE'VE GOT TO DECIDE ARE WE GOING TO MAKE OUR OWN POLICIES AND KIND OF AND MAYBE WE'LL DO A WAIVER, MAYBE WE'LL LOOK TO DO RULEMAKING OR THE RULEMAKING YOU KNOW ISN'T IN THE ST PAUL THING AND I'M FINE BUT I THINK WE'VE GOT TO DECIDE WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO AND I'M VERY CONCERNED. MAYOR IN TERMS OF THIS PROCESS FOR THOSE FOLKS WHO ORIGINALLY BROUGHT THIS BEFORE US THE FIRST TIME THAT THEY WEREN'T INCLUDED IN THIS CONVERSATION AND SO I WANT THE BEST EXPERTS TO BE AT THE TABLE TO HELP US CRAFT THE BEST ORDINANCE THAT I THINK THAT WE HAD. YOU KNOW AND I AM THE TYPE OF PERSON WHERE HEY, YOU BRING IT BEFORE ME. WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE IT BETTER? SO TODAY I AM NOT, YOU KNOW, LOOKING TO TRY TO SUPPORT THIS IN ITS CURRENT CONSTRUCTION. BUT I DO THINK TT THERE IS A NECESSARY DIALOG THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN BETWEEN STAFF AND MANY OF THESE FINE FOLKS ARE HERE AND ALSO WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET TO A SITUATION WHERE ONE WE CAN'T DO THE PREVAILING WAGE AND WE'VE GOT TO MAKE THESE EXEMPTIONS. THAT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME AT ALL. WE'VE GOT TO GET PAST THAT. SO LET ME JUST TICK THROUGH THESE THINGS HERE. SO IN TERMS OF YOU KNOW, THE HOUSING WITH THE THE DAVIS-BACON LAW, I DO THINK THAT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT WE'VE GOT CITIES LIKE MINNEAPOLIS THAT ARE DOING DOING SOME THINGS OUT THERE. THERE ARE OTHER CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT ARE REALLY WORKING TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE SMALL BUSINESSES CAN BE ABLE TO HANDLE THE ADMINISTRATIVE BURDENS THAT ARE OUT THERE. AND I THINK THAT WE OUGHT TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH WITH OUR LABOR FOLKS TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S A WAY FOR US TO GET THAT THAT PREVAILING WAGE PROCESS TO WORK FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE STANDPOINT WHEN WE LOOK TO CLARIFY PASSTHROUGH FUNDS, I ASSUME THAT YOU KNOW THE CONDUIT BONDS THAT'S AN OBVIOUS NO BRAINER. I WOULD BE ABLE TO PASS THAT TONIGHT. THAT'S KIND OF A NO BRAINER. I THINK WHEN WE BRING THIS BACK TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION I'M WILLING TO GO GO DOWN THAT ROUTE RULEMAKING I'M CONFUSED ST PAUL DOESN'T HAVE IT AND YET THEY SAY THEY WANT TO HAVE IT BUT THAT'S OUR MODEL. YEAH SO NO NOT I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT TONIGHT IN TERMS OF THE EXEMPTION AROUND THE PREVAILING WAGE I HAVEN'T SEEN A UNIQUE SITUATION THAT MEETS THAT STANDARD WHERE I'D WANT TO PAY PEOPLE UNDER THE AMOUNT THAT THEY DESERVE TO BE PAID. AND THEN FINALLY WHEN WE LOOK AT THE THE 20 UNITS OR LESS I DO WANT PREVAILING WAGE TO BE A PART OF THAT. WE SAY THAT WE SUPPORT BEING A CITY THAT PEOPLE WANT TO BE YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO BE HERE IF YOU CAN'T PAY AT LEAST A LIVABLE WAGE. AND SO FOR THOSE REASONS I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS THE WAY THAT THIS IS CURRENTLY CONSTRUCTED TODAY WITH THE CAVEAT MAYOR, OF THAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT PROPERTY. I DON'T WANT US TO LOSE SIGHT OF THAT. THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER COUNCILMEMBER THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, I APPRECIATE THE INSIGHT FROM BOTH OF MY COUNCIL MEMBERS. UM, AND FOR ME I THINK ABOUT IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. I MEAN EVERYBODY KNOWS I HAVE THREE YOUNG BOYS AND I'M TRYING TO RAISE THEM TO BE GENEROUS AND THOUGHTFUL MEN WHEN THEY GROW UP. MHM. AND SOMETHING THAT WE TALK ABOUT A LOT IS THAT WE STICK TO OUR WORD BECAUSE WHAT YOU STAND FOR MATTERS ESPECIALLY IN TODAY'S DAY AND AGE WHERE PEOPLE FLIP FLOP AND THAT'S OKAY AND WE'VE TOLD THEM THAT'S OKAY BUT TO ME STICKING TO YOUR WORD MEANS A GREAT DEAL BECAUSE WHAT YOU STAND FOR MATTERS. AND THEN SECONDLY WE JUST HAD A EXPERIENCE THIS LAST WEEKEND WHEN WE HAD SOME FRIENDS CANCEL ON US FOR THE FOURTH TIME. MM HMM. AND STICKING TO YOUR WORD MEANS THAT YOU'RE RELIABLE THAT WHEN PEOPLE SHOW UP THEY KNOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO WHAT YOU SAY, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO FOLLOW THROUGH, THAT YOU AREN'T SOMEONE WHO WILL BACK DOWN BECAUSE IT GETS HARD. AND I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT OUR MEETING MINUTES FROM LAST YEAR AND THIS MOTION PASSED NOT FOR THREE, NOT FIVE TWO IT WAS SEVEN ZERO. WE PASSED THIS MOTION SEVEN ZERO BECAUSE WE SAID THIS IS IMPORTANT TO BLOOMINGTON BECAUSE WE SAID THIS IS A VALUE THAT WE HAVE AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE EXAMPLE TO ME IT'S HALF BAKED. WE IN THE YEAR THAT WE'VE HAD IT WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY FULL PROJECTS COME THROUGH THAT REQUIRED US TO DIG DEEP AND MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE DID WORKED. THIS IS A HALF BAKED EXAMPLE THAT COULD BE AND WE TALKED ABOUT WE MENTIONED WHEN YOU'RE ASKING YOUR QUESTIONS COMES FROM OUR WOMAN ABOUT ARE THERE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES OR OPTIONS THAT A LOVER LEVERS THAT WE CAN PULL AND THE ANSWER WAS YES AND WE JUST HAVEN'T EXPLORED THAT. AND SO FOR US TO RESCIND AND GO BACK AND WHAT WE SAID WE'RE GOING TO DO NOT ONLY LEAVES THE WORKERS WHO CALL BLOOMINGTON HOME IN A BIND BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO NEXT BUT IT LEAVES THE DEVELOPER SO WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH IN A BIND AS WELL. AND SO AS WE LOOK TO CONTINUE TO FOCUS OUR DEVELOPMENT AND MAKE SURE THAT BLOOMINGTON IS VERY STRATEGIC IN OUR GROWTH, I BELIEVE WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO STICK TO WHAT WE HAVE UNTIL WE HAVE FULL PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE VETTED GONE THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS AND MADE SURE THAT WE'VE DONE AS MUCH AS WE CAN AND IT'S STILL NOT ENOUGH TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. BUT UNTIL WE DO I'M NOT READY TO MAKE THESE MAJOR CHANGES. I UNDERSTAND THE ADMINISTRATIVE CHANGES AND SUPPORT THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR STAFF CAN CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE DEVELOPING COMMUNITY. BUT AS FAR AS THE OTHER ONES WHERE WE'RE HAVING WAIVERS AND WE'RE HAVING EXEMPTIONS, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I CAN GET BEHIND TODAY. THANK YOU. AND COUNCILMEMBER COUNCILMEMBER NELSON AND THEN COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON THANK YOU MAYOR. AS MANY OF THOSE IN THE ROOM MAY RECALL, I WAS PROBABLY MOST APPREHENSIVE. COUNCILMEMBER WITH REGARDS TO THIS POLICY. WITH THAT SAID, I'M NOT SEEING A LOT OF NECESSARILY TO MAKE THE MAJOR CHANGES AND HAS MAYBE A COUPLEF THOSE MINOR ONES FOR THE REASONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ARTICULATED. I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO ECHO SOME OF THE COMMENTS I HEARD THAT THAT ARE MANY OF THE FOLKS IN THIS ROOM WERE SURPRISED BY THIS THAT MAYBE SIX DAYS NOTICE OF SOMETHING ON FACEBOOK. YOU KNOW, I SPENT PART OF WITH ALL DUE RESPECT AND I APOLOGIZE DURING THE PRESENTATION READING A LENGTHY LETTER FROM SOMEONE WITH VERY DETAILED INFORMATION THAT I HAD NOT RECEIVED PREVIOUSLY. IT MAY HAVE COME LATE IN THE DAY BY EMAIL AND THEN I MAY HAVE MISSED IT BY PART AS WELL THAT I DID GET ONE OTHER OF THE OTHER LETTER BY EMAIL AND HAD BEEN ABLE TO READ IT BEFOREHAND AND SO I FRANKLY FEEL UNPREPARED TO MOVE FORWARD AND ALSO AFTER EVERYTHING I'VE HEARD AND SEEN UNCONVINCED OF THE NEED TO MAKE THE MAJOR CHANGES WITH REGARDS TO THE 20 UNITS AND THE EIGHT UNITS, I'M STILL SKEPTICAL THAT THOSE PROJECTS ARE GOING TO HAVE CITY FUNDING. YOU KNOW I MEAN SO THAT'S NOT GOING TO APPLY, RIGHT? I MEAN IT'S PRIVATE PROJECT YOU DO THAT I MEAN THE REALITY IS AS YOU KNOW I MEAN IF THERE WAS NOT SOIL REMEDIATION REQUIRING TIFF, THIS PROJECT WOULD NOT BE PREVAILING WAGE AND THAT THAT MAY BE A DIFFERENT CHALLENGE THAT THE CITY FACES BUT BECAUSE THEY NEED THAT TIFF MONEY TO REMEDIATE THAT SOIL THEN PREVAILING WAGE KICKS IN. AND SO I MEAN IF THERE ARE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE CITY I MEAN I HOPE OUR WHOLE CITY DOESN'T HAVE SITE CONDITIONS LIKE THIS ONE DOES AND WE'VE KNOWN THAT FOR A LONG TIME LIKE LIKE LIKE COUNCILMEMBER ROHMAN SAID, THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT I REMEMBER FORMER COLLEAGUE JACK BALOGA WANTED TO TAKE CARE OF BEFORE HE RETIRED AND WAS UNFORTUNATELY UNSUCCESSFUL IN GETTING THAT PROPERTY DEVELOPED AS A PERSONAL PASSION OF HIS. I KNOW SO I FORGET I DON'T HAVE THE THREE THINGS IN FRONT OF ME. I THINK COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN STATED ON THAT IT WAS A COUPLE OF THOSE THAT I'D I'D BE FINE WITH THE EIGHT UNITS. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO BECAUSE I JUST REALLY DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S EVER GOING TO APPLY TO PROJECTS THAT MUCH AND THE RULE MAKING I'M ACTUALLY OKAY WITH THAT ONE SO GIVING AUTHORITY TO DO THAT INSTEAD OF HAVING TO COME BACK I CAN UNDERSTAND AND PARTIALLY AND MAYBE I'M COMPLETELY MISUNDERSTANDING THE SUPREME COURT RULING BUT YOU KNOW THEY WENT IN AND SAID DEPARTMENTS DON'T HAVE RULEMAKING AUTHORITY AND SO THEY SCRAPPED A BUNCH OF RULES AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL BECAUSE THAT WASN'T EXPLICITLY GRANTED TO DEPARTMENTS. AND SO TO NOT GIVE THAT AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SOLIDLY BEHIND THAT MAKES SENSE IN MY MIND AND THE OTHER ONE ABOUT YEAH, I SUPPORT THE OTHER ONE SO SO THAT'S ALL I GET. THANK YOU ONCE MEMBER COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS I'M I JUST HAVE A QUICK COMMENT AND IS IN REGARDS TO THE ORDINANCE PROPOSAL DO GIVES STAFF DILATORY TO CREATE ADMINISTRATIVE RULES I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT AS YOU ALL KNOW THESE NO THEY THERE ARE NO WAYS OF COUNCIL KEEPING AN EYE ON THAT AND THAT COULD LEAD TO AN ABUSE OF THE PREVAILING WAYS IN THE FUTURE . AND SO I YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING ELSE I KIND OF AGREE WITH BUT MY MOTIVATION TO NOT SUPPORT THIS IS ACTUALLY GIVING THE STAFF THE AUTHORITY TO TO CREATE RULES THAT WE COULDN'T CONTROL OURSELVES AND WHEN IT CAME TO US IT WILL PROBABLY BE TOO LATE. ADDED DAMAGE COULD HAVE BEEN DONE TO A PREVAILING WAGE AND SO THAT'S THE MAIN THING I DON'T SUPPORT LISTING ITSELF. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER. WELL I. I CAN SEE WHICH WAY THE WIND IS BLOWING HERE AND I CAN'T SAY THAT I DISAGREE WITH ANY OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE. I WILL SAY WHEN WE HAD THE STUDY SESSION ON THIS WHAT, SIX WEEKS AGO, EIGHT WEEKS AGO OR WHATEVER IT WAS I MY SENTIMENT WAS IS WE CAME AWAY WITH THAT WAS WE WERE ALL IN AGREEMENT. WE WANTED TO PROTECT WORKERS AND PROTECT MAKE SURE THAT OUR WORKERS IN BLOOMINGTON WERE PROTECTED. BUT WE ALSO WE'RE LOOKING FOR OPTIONS FLEXIBILITY SOME WAY TO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DIDN'T IMPEDE DEVELOPMENT IN SOME WAY. AND I THINK WHEN WE WE STATED THAT AND WE GOT TO THE END OF THAT STUDY SESSION AND WE SENT IT FORTH WITH STAFF, MY HOPE WAS THAT PERHAPS THEY WOULD COME BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT HAD THE INPUT OF OF LABOR, THE INPUT OF THE PEOPLE AFFECTED BY THIS AND WE COULD HAVE PERHAPS FOUND A COMPROMISE FOUND A WAY TO MAKE THIS WORK, FOUND A CREATIVE SOLUTION TO IT ALL AND UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T THINK WE'RE THERE WITH THAT AND I WOULD ECHO WHAT OTHERS HAVE SAID. I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT WE HEAR FROM PEOPLE THAT THIS WAS NEWS TO THEM. THIS WAS A SURPRISE THAT THAT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN, NOT SOMETHING THIS LARGE AND THIS IMPACTS WILL IN A LOT OF WAYS. AND SO I AGREE THAT WE PROBABLY AREN'T THERE ON THIS. THIS ISN'T GOING TO WORK FOR US AND IF WE WANT TO DO THE ADMINISTRATIVE AND NOT THE POLICY HOWEVER WE WANT TO DO IT BUT I THINK THE BIGGEST TAKEAWAY FOR ME IS AND ISSUES LIKE THIS WE JUST REALLY ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO MAKE THAT VERY SPECIFIC AND INTENTIONAL OUTREACH AND AND DISCUSSION AND COMMITMENT WITH PEOPLE TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE IF NOT THEN WE END UP IN A POSITION LIKE THIS WHERE WE PASSED IT A YEAR AGO, EIGHT WEEKS AGO WE HAVE THE CONVERSATION AND THEN TONIGHT WE REALIZE WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE AND IT'S DISAPPOINTING TO ME THAT WE'RE AT THIS POINT . SO WITH THAT COUNCIL I THINK WE HAVE AN IDEA WHERE WE ARE AND I SEE COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO STAND UP. YES MR. MAN I'D BE HAPPY IF IT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL WOULD BE WOULD LIKE TO VOTE ON IS TO MAKE THE MOTION WITH THE WITH THE EXEMPTIONS THAT WERE PROVIDED SO THAT WE COULD PASS THE ADMINISTRATIVE CHANGES WITHOUT THE POLICY CHANGES. THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO PUT FORTH AS A MOTION IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO EVERYONE AND WE COULD VOTE ON THAT AS A STARTING PLACE COUNCILMEMBER I THINK THE YOU KNOW THE OTHER PIECE THAT WE DON'T HAVE AGREEMENT WITH IS THE RULE MAKING PIECE. SO I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY PASS ONE AND TWO BUT YOU COULD VOTE NO ON IT IF YOU WANTED TO AND IT MIGHT PASS 4 TO 2. NO NO. RIGHT. SO I JUST MAYBE MAYBE IT WOULD BE HELPFUL. I THINK THAT WE MIGHT BE BEING CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT THE WORD RULEMAKING MEANS IN THIS CASE AND WE DID PASS A RULE MAKING CAPABILITIES FOR OUR URNS THAT CAN SAVE TIME ORDINANCE AND SO WE'VE GIVEN THESE RULES BEFORE. I'M I'M CONFUSED FRANKLY, MR. MAYOR, MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. I DON'T KNOW. ARE WE NOT CLEAR ON WHAT RULEMAKING MEANS IN THIS PARTICULAR CAPACITY? ARE YOU ASKING ME I'M ASKING IF IF IF WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THAT AS A COUNCIL JUST MAYBE BEFORE WE MAKE THIS VOTE. >> I DON'T KNOW. COUNCILMEMBER LOHMANN SOMETHING TO ADD TO THIS. YEAH, I'LL I'LL SPEAK TO THAT. I THINK THAT IN TERMS OF THE RULEMAKING PIECE I THINK WHAT STAFF HAS BROUGHT FORWARD IS REALLY MY MODEL FOR THIS THIS PREVAILING WAGE IS ST PAUL. IT DOESN'T HAVE IT IN THERE SO THAT'S PART OF MY ISSUE. AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT MY RATIONALE AS TO WHY I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS IS THAT THE CONVERSATION EVEN ABOUT THIS ADMINISTRATIVE STUFF THERE WAS NO DIALOG. SO I THINK THAT WE REALLY THE BEST SERVICE TO REALLY JUST TABLE REALLY ALL OF THIS STUFF AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE PROPER FEEDBACK. I THINK REALLY THE ONLY ONE THAT I PREPARED TODAY IS ITEM NUMBER TWO WHICH IS THE CLEAR CLARIFY THAT PASS THROUGH FUNDS IN CONDUIT BONDS ARE EXEMPT FROM THE ORDINANCE THAT THAT TOTALLY MAKES SENSE TO ME. I CAN'T THINK OF ANY REASON WHY WE WOULD EVER WANT TO GET OUR STUFF MIXED UP WITH THE REST OF THOSE THINGS. I THINK THERE'S SOME I MEAN I'VE HEARD THAT FROM YOU KNOW, THEY JUST WEREN'T PREPARED TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVEN AT THIS ADMINISTRATIVE LEVELS ,EVEN THOUGH WE DID DO IT AND EARNEST IT CAN SAVE BUT THEY SAY THAT YOU KNOW, STAFF SAID THE MODEL IS THE SAME POINT THEY DON'T HAVE IT. SO SO I JUST I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING CLEARLY YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE DOING THERE. SO AT THIS POINT I CAN'T SUPPORT ANY OF THIS OTHER THAN THAT THAT NIGHT NUMBER TWO SO OKAY. YEAH, LET'S HAVE COUNCILMEMBER NELSON AND THEN OF COURSE PREMIER NELSON. YEAH. THANK YOU MAYOR. I'D BE SUPPORTIVE OF COUNCILMEMBER LOEHMANN'S PROPOSAL TO TABLE AND HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS BECAUSE I'D GO ONE STEP FURTHER THAN HE DID. AND WHAT I HEARD FROM FOLKS WHO TESTIFIED TODAY IS THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO STEP UP AND WORK WITH THE CITY WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY TO FIND BETTER WAYS TO BRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS INTO OUR COMMUNITY AND TO MOVE A PROJECT FORWARD THAT THEY'RE PREPARED TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND MAKE IT WORK. AND SO I WOULD HATE TO JUST SAY THIS DIDN'T WORK AND WALK AWAY AND NOT HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WHEN WE HAVE WILLING PARTNERS AND I KNOW THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY OUT THERE THAT WANTS TO BUILD YOU KNOW I MEAN THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. SO LET'S LET'S HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. AND I THINK TO COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO IS POINT THAT YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'LL HELP US GET SOMETHING DONE ON THIS PROPERTY. I MEAN WE CAN'T LOSE FOCUS OR THAT THAT WE WANT SOMETHING DONE THERE AT THAT PROPERTY WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. SO SO AM I UNDERSTANDING YOU, COUNCILMEMBER? YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE AMENDMENTS BUT NOT THE POLICY MEMBERS. IS THAT THAT I SUM THAT UP WHERE YOU WANT TO CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION ON ALL OF IT JUST OKAY. COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? >> AND I WILL I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE THAT MOTION BUT SOMEBODY SOMEBODY ELSE CAN AND I'LL VOTE ON IT. COUNCILMEMBER YOU WERE READY TO MAKE A MOTION. WHY DON'T YOU MAKE THE MOTION YOU WERE READY TO MAKE? OKAY. OKAY. CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE PUT UP THE NOTE BACK UP ON THE THING THAT GIVES ME THOSE EXEMPTION NUMBERS BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THEM OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD AND I CAN'T FIND THEM IN THE THEY'RE NOT IN THE PACKET IN THE PACKET. NO THEY'RE JUST GOING TO PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN FOR ME. YEAH YEAH IT WAS IN THERE WE SAW IT ORIGINALLY WE JUST DON'T HAVE IT UP THERE SO THIS I DON'T KNOW THAT'S FINE. THANKS. HERE WE GO. I GOT IT RIGHT HERE. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION APPROVING ORDINANCE AMENDING PREVAILING WAGE DEFINITIONS AND EXEMPTIONS, THEREBY AMENDING CHAPTER 23 OF THE CITY CODE EXCEPT EXCEPT FOR 23.36 D WHICH EXEMPTS HOUSING PROJECTS UP TO 20 UNITS AND ACCEPT 23.36 C ALLOWING THE ABILITY TO APPROVE A WAIVER UNDER REQUIRED CONDITIONS WHICH I BELIEVE COVERS THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROVISIONS WHERE MOST OF MY COUNCILMEMBER D'ALESSANDRO IS SECOND MY COUNCILMEMBER. SO BASICALLY WHAT WE HAVE WITH THE MOTION IS COUNCIL IS TO APPROVE THE ADMINISTRATIVE AMENDMENTS BUT TO TURN DOWN THE POLICY AMENDMENTS. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON QUESTION YEAH. WOULD THIS STILL ALLOW STAFF AND THOSE INTERESTED TO TALK ABOUT THE DAVIS-BACON UNIT THING AND COME BACK WITH A RESOLUTION OF THAT BECAUSE I DID HEAR THAT AS A CONCERN OF PEOPLE IF WE PASSED THAT THAT I THINK THAT WOULD I WOULD HOPE THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION. AND I THINK IF WE IF WE APPROVE THIS AS IT'S BEEN MOVED, THEN IT WILL EXEMPT HOUSING PROJECTS UNDER EIGHT UNITS THAT IN NO WAY CLOSES THE DOOR FOR CONTINUED DISCUSSION ON ANYTHING BECAUSE WE CAN CHANGE IT BACK LATER. YES. OKAY. SO YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND DOES EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THE MOTION IN THE SECOND? ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS, COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN WELL, I THINK COUNCILMEMBER NELSON HAS REALLY PUT THIS FORTH. I MEAN IT'S DISTURBING TO ME THAT WITH THE ADMINISTRATIVE PORTIONS OF THIS THAT WE DON'T EVEN WANT TO HAVE A DIALOG WITH OUR OUR OUR BEST PARTNER AND CHAMPIONS OF THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. SO I JUST I YOU KNOW, I MEAN I GET IT BUT YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU PASS IT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT IT IS. SO I WOULD STRONGLY ADVISE MY COLLEAGUES, YOU KNOW, NOT TO SUPPORT THIS. YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE REALLY OUGHT TO HAVE A DIALOG AND REALLY BRING THIS FORWARD. I THINK IT'S THIS WILL CREATE A SITUATION THAT WILL NOT BE GOOD. I JUST REALLY HOPING THAT WE COULD JUST KIND OF TABLE IT TODAY. I THINK REALLY THE FOCUS OF THIS REALLY OUGHT TO BE ON THE DEVELOPMENT PORTIONS OF THIS. I MEAN WE LOOK TO TRY TO SOLVE THAT AND AND COME BACK YOU KNOW WHAT'S TO STOP US FROM COMING BACK COUPLE OF WEEKS AFTER THEY HAVE THE CONVERSATION DIALOG SO I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS AS WRITTEN. THANK YOU MR. MAYOR, IF I MAY, WE OFTENTIMES PROVIDE ADMINISTRATE OF SUPPORT TO OUR STAFF WITHOUT NEEDING TO DO THE FULL GAMUT OF OUR YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING FROM A FORM ADVISE TO INFORM STRUCTURE HERE I WORRY ABOUT THE PRECEDENT WE'RE SETTING HERE. I HAVE HEARD FROM MY CONSTITUENTS WHO REPRESENT BOTH LABOR INTERESTS AND ALSO RESIDENTIAL INTERESTS AND NEVER IN THE CONVERSATION I'VE HAD OVER THE PAST TWO WEEKS HAVE THESE ADMINISTRATIVE POLICIES BEEN AT ISSUE. IT'S BEEN ALWAYS THE POLICY DECISIONS AND SO I'M NERVOUS THAT WE ARE ARE ARE PUTTING IN PRECEDENT A PLACE WHERE EVERY SINGLE TINY THING THAT WE WANT TO DO AS A CITY HAS TO GO THROUGH PUBLIC DISCOURSE AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE. IT'S ALWAYS OUT THERE FOR THE PUBLIC. IT'S ALWAYS OUT THERE TO BE SEEN AND PEOPLE CAN COME TO LISTENING SESSIONS AND THEY CAN COME THEY CAN PROVIDE COMMENT TO US VIA EMAIL AND EVERYTHING ELSE BUT NOT EVERYTHING HAS TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND UNLESS I'M WRONG AND I'M COMPLETELY MISUNDERSTANDING THESE ADMINISTRATIVE RULES ARE NOT THE CRITICAL PIECES HERE AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE COMFORTABLE FOR ME TO PASS. NOW THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT THEM BUT I DON'T I'M CONFUSED. I AND I AND I DON'T IF I MAY I JUST WANT TO BE CAREFUL THAT WE ARE NOT MAKING WE'RE NOT MAKING THAT THE STATEMENT WHICH I THINK I HEARD AND MAYBE I'M JUST A LITTLE SENSITIVE TO IT THAT SOMEHOW I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE OR THAT SOME OF US DON'T CARE ABOUT THE THE WAY PEOPLE THINK ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO FIND A COMPROMISE THAT ALLOWS OUR CITY STAFF TO CONTINUE TO MOVE CERTAIN THINGS FORWARD. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT OTHER PROJECTS MIGHT BE IN FRONT OF PLANNING IN FRONT OF CITY CITY ADMINISTRATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT COULD BE SERVED BY PASSING THESE ADMINISTRATIVE RULES TODAY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE. THEY DON'T COME TO US LIKE THAT AND TO SUGGEST THAT WE SHOULD KNOW ALL THE THINGS AND THAT THE ENTIRE PUBLIC SHOULD KNOW ALL THE THINGS ALL THE TIME BEFORE WE GIVE OUR CITY STAFF THE ABILITY TO DO THEIR JOB. I THINK THAT THAT'S IT'S UNFAIR TO SAY THAT THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE AND MAYBE I'M TAKING IT PERSONALLY LIKE I SAID, ALL THAT HAVING BEEN SAID, WE CAN TAKE THE VOTE, EVERYBODY CAN VOTE IT DOWN AND THEN WE'LL BE EXACTLY WHERE YOU WANT TO BE. >> SO THAT WILL WORK. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE TABLE AND FOLKS UNDERSTAND BASICALLY THE WAY THE MOTION WAS STATED. I'M NOT GOING TO TRY AND RESTATED BUT THE WAY THE MOTION WAS STATED IT WOULD APPROVE THE ADMINISTRATIVE AMENDMENTS AS PROPOSED AND WOULD DENY THE POLICY AMENDMENTS AS PROPOSED. EVERYBODY CLEAR ON THAT? NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I OPPOSED ANY MOTION FAILS ON A THREE THREE WITH NELSON LOWMAN AND RIVAS IN OPPOSITION. SO DOES SOMEBODY HAVE ANOTHER MOTION TO OFFER THIS EVENING? COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN SO MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO HAVE US MOVE TO TABLE THESE ITEMS TO A DATE. I'M NOT SURE WHAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF TIME TO GET THISONE. CAN WE CAN WE PUT THIS SOMETIME IN SEPTEMBER OR MIDDLE OCTOBER? I DON'T HAVE A I DON'T HAVE A CALENDAR IN FRONT OF ME. CAN WE DO THE LAST REGULAR MEETING IN OCTOBER? I THINK ANY TIME IN AUGUST YOU MENTIONED AUGUST EARLIER AND THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THINKING OCTOBER OR SO. I'M THINKING OCTOBER OR THAT YEAH I DON'T KNOW THAT WE OFFICIALLY NEED AN END DATE. YEAH, I MEAN WE DON'T NEED AN END DATE. I MEAN AS LONG AS WE'RE OKAY NOW I MEAN ESSENTIALLY I'D BE MOVING TO POSTPONE THIS INDEFINITELY AND AND WE CAN JUST BRING IT BACK UP WHEN IT MAKES SENSE. I WOULD MOVE TO POSTPONE IT INDEFINITELY AND THEN I WOULD ALSO LOOK AT MY MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO BRING BACK AS SOON AS POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVES TO HELP OUR DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY RESOLVE THIS ISSUE WITH THE YOU KNOW, WITH THE WITH THE MITIGATION FOR THAT PROPERTY HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER LOWMAN TO TABLE THIS INDEFINITELY AND CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION. WE HAVE A SECOND MOTION FOR SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER RIVAS COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF COUNCILMEMBER LOEHMANN'S MOTION TO TABLE PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED NO MOTION CARRIES FOR TWO WITH COUNCIL MEMBER DALLESSANDRO AND BUSSE IN OPPOSITION. SO WE HAVE WE HAVE TABLE IT ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THE CONVERSATION COUNSEL THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING PART OF THIS CONVERSATION AS WELL. THE CONVERSATION I GUESS IS GOING TO CONTINUE SO LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR INPUT AND MORE SPREADSHEETS MORE SPREADSHEETS. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM FIVE. OUR ORGANIZATION OF BUSINESS. AND I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WE ARE AT 808 RIGHT NOW AND WITH THIS IS A ANOTHER MEETING DISCUSSION. THIS IS AN UPDATE ON T COMMUNITY HEALTH AND WELLNESS CENTER WHICH IS AT 50% DESIGNED DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW . WE WILL CALL FORWARD OUR CADRE OF EXPERTS ON THIS ONE . THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PATIENCE. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. GOOD TO BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU. I'M DR. KENYON. THE COMMUNITY HEALTH AND WELLNESS CENTER MANAGER CAN WAIT JUST A SECOND HERE. THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO STEP BACK IN FRONT OF YOU AND PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE COMMUNITY HEALTH AND WELLNESS CENTER PROJECT. THE LAST TIME WE PROVIDED AN UPDATE WE HAD REACHED THE 100% COMPLETION PHASE OF THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN AND SINCE THEN THE PROJECT TEAM HAS CONTINUED TO REFINE THE DESIGN. TONIGHT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM THE ARCHITECTURAL TEAM AS THEY SHARE A PROGRESS UPDATE AT THE 50% DESIGN DEVELOPMENT MILESTONE ZONE. NO FORMAL ACTION IS BEING REQUESTED THIS EVENING. THE PURPOSE OF TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION IS SIMPLY TO KEEP EVERYONE INFORMED ON THE PROJECT'S PROGRESS. WE'RE JOINED TONIGHT BY CAROLYN WOLFE, PROJECT MANAGER WITH TEGRA MONTE HILLMAN WITH A SUSTAINABLE INVESTMENT GROUP. ERIN MULLENS THE DESIGN PRINCIPAL AND TIM GUYETT, SENIOR PROJECT MANAGER WITH HCA. THEY'RE GOING TO WALK US THROUGH THE CURRENT DESIGN DEVELOPMENT WORK AND CONCLUDE WITH AN OVERVIEW OF THE NEXT STEPS ON THE PROJECT TIMELINE. SO WITH THAT I'LL TURN IT OVER TO A.J. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME. TEAM A.J., THANKS FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS. THANKS FOR BEING WITH US HERE TONIGHT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL INSURANCE FINALLY I APOLOGIZE. ALL RIGHT. SO LIKE ALL MEETINGS THAT WE PRESENT THIS PROJECT, WE REALLY WANT TO START WITH THE PROJECT CHARTER JUST TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE BEING CONSISTENT WITH THE VISION AND THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT WE STARTED THE PROJECT WITH. AND AS YOU'LL SEE THIS IS VERY CONSISTENT TO THE SLIDES THAT WE HAVE SHOWN BEFORE WITH THE IDENTIFIED LOCATION OF THE SCOPE AND THE PROGRAM ELEMENTS THAT ARE IN THE PROJECT AS WELL AS SUSTAINABILITY GOALS, EQUITY GOALS, THE CURRENT MILESTONE SCHEDULE IN OUR CURRENT BUDGET WHICH HAS BEEN CONSISTENT SINCE THE REFERENDUM AS FAR AS THE SUSTAINABILITY UPDATE, WE ARE HAPPY TO REPORT THAT AS DESIGN THE PROJECT IS REALLY GOING TO BE ACHIEVING LEED SILVER OR UNTIL THE AUDITS ARE DONE. THAT IS OUR TARGET AND WE FEEL THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH COMFORTABLE POINTS TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE LEED SILVER WITH THE 55 OUT OF 110 POINTS AND THE GRAPH ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE KIND OF SHOWS YOU HOW THOSE POINTS STACK UP TO THE TOTAL AVAILABLE POINTS IN EACH OF THE CATEGORIES. SO OUR OVERALL PROCESS TIMELINE AS WAS STATED THIS IS THE 50% DEED MILESTONE HOW WE LIKE TO TAKE THIS AS A AS AN UPDATE JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS INFORMED AS THE PROCESS HAS BEEN MOVING FORWARD WE WILL BE FINISHING THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT PHASE AT THE END OF THE MONTH IN AUGUST HERE AND SO THE PROJECT IS IS QUICKLY MOVING TOWARDS CONSTRUCTION IN THE FOURTH QUARTER OF THIS YEAR . ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, JIM. MR MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. I'M GOING TO WALK THROUGH THE SITE PLAN SOME RENDERINGS THAT WE HAVE IN THE FLOOR PLANS AND GIVE YOU ALL AN UPDATE AS TO WHERE THE PROJECT STANDS OR STOOD AT 50% DESIGN DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS AN IMAGE OF THE SITE PLAN THAT ALL OF YOU I THINK YOU HAVE SEEN PREVIOUSLY SOME OF THE MAJOR ELEMENTS ON THE SITE PLAN ARE THE BUILDING THE PARKING THAT SUPPORTS IT TO THE SOUTH AS WELL AS STORMWATER MANAGEMENT THAT'S ON GRADE THAT SURROUNDS THE BUILDING PRIMARILY SOME BIG STORMWATER RETENTION AREAS ON THE 90TH STREET SIDE OR THE NORTH SIDE OF THIS PLANT. AND THEN ON THE SOUTH SIDE IS THE MAIN ENTRY PLAZA AND PAVILION THAT GREETS VISITORS TO THE FACILITY. IF YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE OVER THE LAST MONTH THERE HAVE BEEN ONGOING DISCUSSIONS WITH HENNEPIN COUNTY AND ACCESS ON PENN AVENUE AND THE GRAPHIC YOU SEE HERE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE GRAPHIC THAT WAS SHOWN AT 100% SCHEMATIC DESIGN BASED ON THE PARKING REPORT AND TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS DONE A CONNECTION BETWEEN THE EAST AND WEST PARKING LOTS WAS RECOMMENDED BY BOLTON AND MENKE AND THAT IS WHAT IS SHOWN HERE ON THE SITE THROUGH THESE DISCUSSIONS WITH HENNEPIN COUNTY. THEY ARE NOT THEY ARE NOT SUPPORTING A CONNECTION TO PENN AVENUE AT JONES PLACE. AND SO THE CURRENT DIRECTION IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AS WE SIT HERE TODAY AS THE EAST WEST CONNECTION WILL GO DIRECTLY TO PENN AVENUE AND THERE WILL BE ONE ACCESS OFF OF PENN AVENUE THE SOUTH ACCESS OF IVY LANE WILL BE CONVERTED JUST TO SERVE PRESBYTERIAN HOMES AND THE NORTH CONNECTION NEAR JONES WILL BE ENTIRELY ELIMINATED THANKS TO. >> SO AS WE HONE IN ON THE LANDSCAPE AND SITE DESIGN DIRECTLY AROUND THE FACILITY ON THE LEFT ARE SOME IMAGES OF WHAT THOSE ENVIRONMENT SURROUND THE BUILDING WILL BE LIKE. SO WE'RE WORKING REALLY HARD WITH OUR LANDSCAPE DESIGN TEAM AS WELL AS OUR CIVIL ENGINEERING TEAM ON STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE ADEQUATE TREE COVERAGE IN THE PARKING AREAS THAT WE HAVE THE ENTRY AREA WHICH IS NUMBER TWO ON THE PLAN IS A SPACE THAT'S AN OUTDOOR SPACE FOR THE PUBLIC TO USE AS WELL AS A COVERED CANOPY FOR THE FACILITY. NUMBER THREE ILLUSTRATES THE STORMWATER BASINS SO THE SPACE BETWEEN THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND 98TH STREET WILL BE ESSENTIALLY NATIVE PLANTINGS AND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FRONTING THE STREET AND THEN THE FITNESS TRAIL LOOP IS ABOUT A QUARTER MILE LOOP THAT THAT RUNS AROUND THE BUILDING CONNECTING WITH THE ADJACENT SIDEWALKS AS WELL AS PROVIDING A FITNESS ACTIVITY SPACE AROUND THE BUILDING. SO AS WE MOVE INTO THE FLOOR PLANS, THE MAJOR KIND OF BUILDING BLOCKS OF THE PLAN ARE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST THE NORTH BLOCK OF THE BUILDING, THE BLUE AND THE ORANGE REPRESENT THE AUDITORIUM WITH A FIVE LANE LAP POOL LIFESTYLE AND WELLNESS POOL SPA AS WELL AS A SLIDE IN THE ORANGE ARE THE GYMNASIUMS. WE HAVE TWO GYMNASIUMS THAT ARE DIVISIBLE WITH A CURTAIN TO BE CONFIGURABLE FOR ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT SPORTS AS WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST WE HAVE SITE SPACE ALLOCATED FOR FUTURE EXPANSION OF A THIRD GYM MOVING TO THE SOUTH OF WHAT WE CALL THE MEMBER CONCOURSE THE MAIN NORTH OR EAST WEST CONNECTOR IN THE DARK PURPLE OR INDIGO I GUESS IS THE INDOOR PLAY SPACE AND JUST BELOW THAT ARE IS THE EVENT SPACE AND MULTIPURPOSE ROOMS. THESE ROOMS WILL SEE IN ONE OF THE RENDERINGS COME UP BUT ARE DIVISIBLE INTO THREE PROGRAM SPECIFIC ROOMS TO SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY AND ALSO IT CAN BE OPENED UP TO SUPPORT 200 GUESTS FOR EVENTS IN THE CENTER IS THE ENTRY PAVILION AND CANOPY SPACE WITH THE LOBBY JUST NORTH OF THAT SO ESSENTIALLY THE LANDSCAPE OF THE PLAZA IS COMING INTO THE BUILDING TO BECOME THE LOBBY AS WELL AND OFF TO THE LEFT OF THAT THE DARK RED TO THE LEFT ARE THREE ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY ROOMS SUPPORTING PROGRAMING TO THE LEFT OF THAT IN THE PINK AND PURPLE IS THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND WORK PORTION OF THE BUILDING AND THEN THE GREEN OFF OF THE LOBBY OR THE PARKS AND REC OFFICES FOR SUPPORTING THIS FACILITY MOVING UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR, SECOND FLOOR IS DEVOTED WHOLLY TO FITNESS SO THE DARK ORANGE ON THE BOTTOM THERE ARE THREE STUDIO SPACES FOR STUDIO PROGRAMING FITNESS PROGRAMING IN THE CENTER, THE GRAY OR CHANGING AREAS AND RESTROOMS. THE REST OF THAT FLOOR IN THE LIGHTER ORANGE IS DEVOTED TO CARDIO AND WEIGHT LIFTING ACTIVITIES. AND THEN THERE'S A TRACK IT'S ABOUT 12 LAPS TO THE MILE THAT GOES AROUND THE TWO GYMS AS WE'RE MOVING INTO SOME EXTERIOR RENDERINGS HERE AND SOME VIEWS OF THE INTERIOR WANTED TO STEP BACK AND KIND OF JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PALETTE GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT WE HAVE IN THE BUILDING AT ABOUT 106,000FT WHICH WE'VE BEEN AT FOR A WHILE NOW, THE GOAL OF THE PALETTE OF THE BUILDING IS TO BE REALLY ELEMENTAL AND REFINED KNOWING THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF SPACE TO KIND OF ENCLOSE. AND SO UTILIZING A TEXTURED PRECAST WOOD ON THE EXTERIOR REALLY LOOKING AT HOW WE USE WINDOWS AND GLASS TO BOTH BRING IN LIGHT TO THE SPACES AS WELL AS TO CONNECT PATRONS TO THE LANDSCAPE OUTSIDE AND THEN FOCUSING ON LIGHT AND TEXTURE AND REALLY USING THE NATIVE PLANTINGS AND THE STORMWATER IS ANOTHER ELEMENT OF THE PALETTE ON THE INTERIOR IT'S AGAIN I THINK PRETTY REFINED AND A BIT SUBDUED. WE HAVE KIND OF THE BACKBONE TO THE BUILDING WHICH IS THE POLISHED FLOORING AND WOOD FLOORING AS WELL AS ACCENT COLORS DIFFERENT PATTERNS OF SOME CARPETING WOOD AND THEN OTHER TEXTURES AND ACOUSTIC TREATMENTS FOR THE FACILITY. SO WALKING THROUGH SOME OF THE RENDERINGS THIS IS A VIEW AT THE CORNER OF 90TH AND NEWTON SOME OF THE MASSING OF THE BUILDING I SHOWED TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PLANS IS SET UP I THINK PRETTY SENSITIVELY TO THE SITE WHERE WE HAVE BIGGER SPACES KIND OF PULLED BACK FROM THE STREETS, PULLED BACK FROM NEWTON, PULLED BACK FROM 98TH AND THEN SPACES THAT ARE CLOSER LIKE THE MULTIPURPOSE ROOM IS A ONE STORY SPACE SO SPACES THAT ARE CLOSER TO STREETS LIKE NEWTON ARE SCALED DOWN TO KIND OF BE RESPECTFUL OF THE SITE AND SENSITIVE. THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING EAST ON 98TH AT THE CORNER OF PENN. SO HERE YOU CAN SEE THAT WALKING PATH KIND OF COMING AROUND BECOMING THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK, ENGAGING WITH THE PUBLIC AND THEN THE STORMWATER BASINS KIND OF IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING. SO TRYING REALLY HARD WITH THE LANDSCAPE TO KIND OF BUFFER THE BUILDING AND TO MAKE THIS INTO A BUILDING THAT IS SITTING INTO A PARK VERSUS A BUILDING THAT WE'VE LANDSCAPED AROUND. SO MOVING AROUND TO THE SOUTH SIDE THIS IS THE MAIN ENTRANCE OF THE BUILDING. I'VE REFERRED TO THIS IN TWO WAYS AS THE CANOPY OR THE ENTRY PAVILION. I THINK IT'S A REALLY UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE'VE KIND OF FOCUSED IN ON HERE TO INVITE THE PUBLIC INTO THE BUILDING AND PROTECT THEM LIKE WE WOULD WITH THE PARK PAVILION. SO THIS CANOPY SERVES TO NOT JUST PROTECT FROM THE ELEMENTS BUT TO ALSO PROVIDE AN OUTDOOR SPACE FOR SEATING AND THAT SUPPORTS THE CAFE AND OTHER SPACES IN THE BUILDING. MOVING INTO THE BUILDING ON THE LOBBY IS A PRETTY GENEROUSLY SIZED LOBBY THAT CAN SUPPORT A LOT OF DIFFERENT PATRONS THAT ARE COMING INTO THE FACILITY BE IT FOR PUBLIC HEALTH OR WORK OR TO AN EVENT THE EVENT CENTER OR STRAIGHT AHEAD YOU CAN SEE THIS VIEW LOOKS FROM THE LOBBY INTO THE GYMNASIUM. SO CONNECTING PATRONS WITH THE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THE BUILDING THIS IS A VIEW OF THAT MULTIPURPOSE AND EVENT SPACE THAT'S ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE BUILDING. THIS IS WITH ALL OF THE WALLS OPEN SO THE SPACE SEATS ABOUT 200 PEOPLE AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE IT CAN BE BROKEN DOWN INTO SMALLER SPACES TO SUPPORT PROGRAMING FOR PROGRAMS THAT THE COMMUNITY CENTER WILL OFFER TO THE PUBLIC. AND THIS IS A VIEW IN THE GYMNASIUM IT'S VIEW IS UNIQUE I THINK BECAUSE IT LOOKS FROM THE GYMNASIUM INTO THE LOBBY TRIED REALLY HARD TO MAKE A LOT OF THESE CROSS CONNECTIONS NOT ONLY TO THE LANDSCAPE BUT ALSO WITHIN THE BUILDING SO DIFFERENT PEOPLE CAN SEE DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES HAPPENING AND THIS IS ANOTHER VIEW OF THE GYMNASIUM LOOKING NORTHEAST TOWARDS THE CORNER I GUESS OF 90TH AND NEWTON. BUT THIS SHOWS HOW THE TRACK WILL KIND OF FLOAT AROUND THE INSIDE OF THAT BUILDING THERE IN THE INSIDE OF THAT SPACE. AGAIN, TWO BASKETBALL COURTS DIVISIBLE IN THE CENTER WITH A CURTAIN AND ABLE TO BE LAID OUT FOR VOLLEYBALL PICKLEBALL OTHER SPORTS. I THINK THERE'S JUST A FEW LEFT. THIS IS A VIEW OF THE CARDIO AND FITNESS LOBBY, IF YOU WILL, ON THE SECOND FLOOR. SO THERE'S THE MAIN STAIR THAT COMES DOWN INTO THE LOBBY AFTER THE LEFT YOU GET VIEWS OF THE RUNNING TRACK AND INTO THE GYMNASIUM AND OFF TO THE RIGHT YOU GET VIEWS DOWN INTO THE LOBBY. AND THEN STRAIGHT AHEAD IS ONE OF THE FITNESS STUDIOS ON THIS LEVEL. THIS IS A VIEW OF THE AUDITORIUM AND ALSO LOOKING NORTHEAST THERE'S AMPLE DAYLIGHT IN THE AUDITORIUM WHICH I THINK WILL BE A REALLY NICE SPACE FOR BOTH LAP SWIMMING FAMILIES TO COME SWIMMING LESSONS ETC. AND THEN THERE'S NEXT STEPS. SO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT YOU WILL SEE THIS PROJECT THIS MONTH ACTUALLY I BELIEVE WILL COME BACK ON THE 25TH FOR THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PORTION OF THIS PJECT AND I THINK PERHAPS THE ASSOCIATED HEARING WOULD BE THE FIRST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER IN SEPTEMBER WE WILL COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS AS WE FINISH UP DESIGN DEVELOPMENT IN AUGUST ANDILL THEN BE ABLE TO WORK THROUGH WHAT THE GMP WITH JEFF DUNN, OUR CONTRACTING PARTNER AND WE HOPE TO BE ABLE TO DEMOLISH CREEKSIDE BEGIN THAT WORK IN OCTOBER. THE ABATEMENT WORK HAS ALREADY BEGUN ON THAT SITE AND IF EVERYTHING ALIGNS THAT WILL ALLOW US TO BEGIN EXCAVATION AND COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION IN NOVEMBER. AND WITH THAT I THINK WE'LL OPEN UP FOR QUESTIONS. WELL, THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THE UPDATE. LOTS OF QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. COUNCILMEMBER D'ALESSANDRO HI FOLKS. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU. MR. MAYOR, I HAD A QUESTION FOR YOU ABOUT IN YOUR RENDERINGS WHAT DOES THE WHAT ARE THE THE INTERNAL SOUND CONSIDERATIONS THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT? I'M SPECIFICALLY THINKING ABOUT WHAT IT MIGHT BE LIKE TO HAVE A YOGA CLASS HAPPENING WHILE YOU HAVE THAT OPEN SPACE TO THE STUDIO O'S AND YOU KNOW HIGH ENERGY BASKETBALL GAME GOING ON WITH, YOU KNOW YOUNG CHILDREN WHO SCREAM IN A CERTAIN PITCH. AND SO I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS I'M JUST CURIOUS CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOUND ABATEMENT AND HOW YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT CONTROL YEAH. SO WE'RE WORKING WITH A CONSULTANT S.I. WHO AN ACOUSTIC CONSULTANT AND WE'VE HAD THEM GO THROUGH ALL OF THE SPECIFIC SPACES AND PROVIDE US WITH RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SOUND ABATEMENT SO YOU CAN EITHER ABSORB SOUND OR PREVENT THAT SOUND FROM TRAVELING. SO WITH THE YOGA STUDIOS FOR INSTANCE WE HAVE ACOUSTIC CEILING TILES IN THOSE SPACES ALL OF THE WALLS THAT WE HAVE OUR SOUND INSULATED TO VARYING DEGREES DEPENDING UPON WHAT THE ACTIVITY IS AND WORKING WITH OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER WE HAVE MASS IN THE IN THE PROPER AREAS TO PREVENT THAT STRUCTURAL BORING NOISE FROM COMING THROUGH OR TO MINIMIZE IT. I WILL SAY TO YOUR POINT IN A FACILITY THAT HAS MULTIPLE LOUD THINGS GOING ON WE TRY TO ADDRESS THE SOUND AS BEST WE CAN KNOWING THAT THERE'S A CERTAIN LEVEL OF ACTIVITY IN A BUILDING LIKE THIS THAT WILL BE HEARD. YOU OPEN A DOOR TO THE GYM, YOU'LL HEAR THE GYM SOUNDS COMING THROUGH. BUT IN ALL AREAS WHERE WE HAVE SEPARATIONS OF THESE MAJOR SOUND CREATING SPACES SAY THE GYM TO THIS LOBBY HERE WE HAVE AN EIGHT INCH PRECAST CONCRETE PANEL THAT WILL SERVE TO KIND OF STOP A LOT OF THAT SOUND AS WELL AS SOUND ABSORBING MATERIALS ON THE WALLS OF THE GYMNASIUM. AND ONE ADDITIONAL THING IS THE STRUCTURAL DECK THAT WE HAVE OVER THE GYMNASIUM OVER THE INDOOR PLAY HAS SOUND ABSORPTION IN THE IN THE CEILING ITSELF TOO. AND WHAT ABOUT THE THE GLASS ELEMENTS THEMSELVES? SO SPECIFICALLY I'M THINKING OF GYMNASIUM TO THE FRONT LOBBY AREA MAYBE MULTIPLE CONCERNS INCLUDING HOW EASY IS THAT TO BREAK THAT GLASS BUT BUT THINKING ABOUT THAT AS AS YOU KNOW ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE KIND OF GLASS THAT WE SEE WHEN WE DO DOUBLE PANE WINDOWS IN YOU KNOW, FLIGHT PATHS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT REALLY DO A GOOD JOB? >> IS THAT WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT HERE? YES. YEAH. AND THE GLASS ITSELF WILL BE TEMPERED LAMINATED GLASS. SO FROM AN IMPACT STANDPOINT IT WILL BE SUITABLE TO AN ENVIRONMENT LIKE THIS. YEAH. MM HMM. YEAH. YEAH. I THINK THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. THANKS. COUNCILMEMBER LOHMANN THANK YOU MAYOR. NOW I THINK I OVERHEARD YOU SAY ABOUT THAT THE PENN AVENUE SITE IS KIND OF OUT. IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING OR HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT. YEAH, I KNOW THAT THIS IS KIND OF FROM A SITE PLAN FROM A SITE PLAN SITE PLAN STANDPOINT. SO THE UM IF WE GO BACK WE'RE THERE. I KNOW IT WAS ONE OF THOSE EARLY EARLY SLIDES. OKAY SO THE ONE OF THE NORTHERNMOST ACCESS ALIGNING WITH JONES PLACE THAT IS NOT BEING SUPPORTED BY THE COUNTY AT ALL AND SO THEN MY QUESTION THEN ABOUT THAT IS THAT WEST ENTRANCE WAY THAT YOU HAVE THERE, WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU'LL END UP DOING WITH IT? OH WELL THERE WILL BE THAT COURTYARD WILL BE RECONFIGURED AND THERE'LL BE A WE'RE WORKING WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO MAINTAIN EMERGENCY ACCESS AND REALLY ALMOST HAVE A CREATE A CUL DE SAC WHICH IS VERY MUCH WHAT EXISTS ON THE SITE RIGHT NOW NEXT TO THE CEKSIDE WILL HAVE SOME SORT OF CUL DE SAC SO THAT VEHICLES CAN TURN AROUND UP IN THAT NORTHERNMOST PARKING AREA ADDITIONALLY RATHER THAN BASICALLY HAVE THE TRAFFIC GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO IVY LANE TO EXIT THE FACILITY . MM HMM. WE'RE JUST GOING TO TAKE THAT ROAD AND TAKE IT ALL THE WAY FROM THE EAST TO THE WEST SO THAT IT IT BASICALLY INTERSECTS PENN BETWEEN JONES AND IVY AND THAT WILL ALLOW US TO PUT SOME ADDITIONAL STORMWATER RETENTION WHERE THAT PAVEMENT IS AND THEN WE'LL KEEP THAT LOWER ACCESS ONLY FOR PRESBYTERIAN HOMES TO USE GO IN THEN. SO I SEE BETWEEN YOU KNOW WHERE THAT ACCESS YOU'RE GOING TO PUT THERE THERE'S THAT GREEN SPACE THERE. HAS THERE BEEN ANY THOUGHT AT ALL IN TERMS OF MITIGATING ON THE NEWTON SIDE BY MOVING THAT OVER TO THE RIGHT THAT IS ACTUALLY THE PRESBYTERIAN HOMES PROPERTY. I FORGET YOU JUST GOING TO SAY THAT I WAS PRETTY SURE THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT THEY COULD NOT BE MOVED TO COME. SO THEN WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE NEWTON ACCESS EXISTS TODAY RIGHT? CORRECT. SO THAT ISN'T ANY NEW ACCESS THAT'S BEING PLACED THERE. SO THIS THERE IS ONE ACCESS THAT IS APPROXIMATELY WHERE THE NORTH MOST ACCESS OFF OF NEWTON IS. WE HAVE A SOUTHERN ACCESS ON NEWTON TWOFOLD REALLY FOR ALLOWING EMERGENCY VEHICLES TO TO COME THROUGH TO SERVICE PRESBYTERIAN HOMES FROM FIRE ACCESS STANDPOINT AND SO THAT'S THE NATURAL PATH THAT THEY WOULD TAKE ACROSS THE SITE AS THEY DO CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW. >> OKAY. SO SO THERE SO AND I IMAGINE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO TELL ME IS SINCE WE ALREADY HAVE AN EXISTING SITE THERE THAT THE TRAFFIC PROBABLY CANNOT HANDLE SORRY HEARD THEN I KNOW THIS IS NOT A TRAFFIC DISCUSSION. I WANT TO BE BE CAREFUL NOT TO NOT TO DO THAT BUT IF WE WERE TO TEMPORARILY CLOSE OFF THE NEWTON PIECE AND TAKE EVERYTHING ON THE PENN SIDE AND MAKE A TEMPORARY ACCESS YOU KNOW, UNTIL WE LOOK TO DO EXPANSION IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S POSSIBLE? I THINK THAT'S A COUNTY CONVERSATION THAT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN BETWEEN PLANNING AND GATHERING ENOUGH AND I'LL STOP RIGHT THERE THEN ON THAT. SO THEN WHEN WE LOOK ON UP AND DOWN NEWTON WHAT COULD BE CONSTRUCTED THERE? COULD WE PUT A WALL RETAINING WALL THAT'S A BRICK. HOW MUCH WOULD THAT COST TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING? WELL THERE THERE IS A BUILDING SETBACK REQUIREMENT FORCED ON NEWTON SO WE COULD ONLY GET IT SO CLOSE TO NEWTON BUT WHAT WE HAVE IS A THERE'S A BERMS LANDSCAPING STRUCTURE WITH A SERIES OF TREES AND PLANTINGS ALONG NEWTON TO TRY TO CUT DOWN ON THOSE HEADLIGHTS THAT WOULD BE COMING OUT OF THE PARKING LOT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE NOT PURSUED ANY COSTING OF ANY ANY PHYSICAL WALL BARRIER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT AND WE'RE NOT EVEN QUITE SURE HOW THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO HOW WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITH THE PLANNING ORDINANCES THAT EXIST. SO WE DID SOMETHING SIMILAR WITH THE CAR WASH THAT THERE WAS A CONCERN THERE WERE A WALL WAS IT WAS BUILT THERE AND I DON'T THINK THAT STOPPED THE LIGHTING FROM COMING INTO THE AREA. SO I KNOW THAT THERE ARE THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE THERE THERE WAS THOSE LIMITED HOUSES AND PROBABLY WOULD GO INTO MAPLE. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH A WALL WOULD PREVENT THAT FROM GOING TO THE OTHER BLOCK BUT I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER QUESTION THAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE AROUND THAT. SO YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD LOOK AT LOOK AT THAT AS A POSSIBILITY IN TERMS OF AND I IMAGINE THERE IS NO WAY OF PUTTING A ROUNDABOUT OR ANYTHING AT THE TOP OF 98TH STREET THERE. SO THAT'S TOTALLY NOT AN IDEA THAT WOULD WORK SO IT WOULD CUT INTO THE INTO THE BUILDING. YEAH. CAN I I JUST WOULD LIKE TO ADD ONE MORE THING TO WHAT TIM WAS SAYING ALONG NEWTON. SO WE LOOKED AT IT A LITTLE BIT TODAY RELATIVE TO WHAT EXISTS THERE CURRENTLY AND WHAT WILL EXIST THERE AFTER THIS PROJECT IS IMPLEMENTED. SO CURRENTLY IT'S A PRETTY FLAT GRADE FROM NEWTON ON TO THE SITE WHERE THE PARK IS AND THE BALL FIELD CURRENTLY THERE ARE 13 TREES OF A VARIETY OF MAKES AND MODELS UP AND DOWN NEWTON THIS PLAN THAT YOU SEE UP ON THE SCREEN HERE TAKES THOSE 13 TREES AND WE SAVE EIGHT OF THEM AND THERE ARE FIVE OF THEM THAT NEED TO BE REMOVED THAT ARE IN AREAS WHERE WE NEED TO REMOVE THEM AND WE'RE ADDING AN ADDITIONAL 38 TO 40 TREES TO THOSE EIGHT. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO FROM 13 TREES ON NEWTON TO 48 TREES ON NEWTON. ADDITIONALLY, LIKE I SAID, THAT GRADE IS FLAT THERE RIGHT NOW. AS TIM SAID, WE'RE ADDING IN A THREE FOOT TALL BERM SO THERE'S A HILL THAT WILL RISE THAT WILL EXIST NEXT TO THE SIDEWALK AND CURRENTLY THERE ARE NO SHRUBS OR ANY GROUNDCOVER ALONG NEWTON AND WE'RE ADDING IN ABOUT 175 SHRUBS THAT WILL GROW TO 3 TO 5FT. SO IF YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT LANDSCAPE ALONG THE STREET THERE WILL GO FROM AN OPEN FIELD OFF OF NEWTON TO A BERM THAT WILL HAVE A PLANTED WALL ESSENTIALLY OF ABOUT 5 TO 8FT TALL. SO AND I WISH WE HAD A RENDERING OF THAT RIGHT NOW. AND THEN JUST TWO QUICK THINGS ARE JUST MORE COMMENTS. I WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR ITS WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH THE SENIORS AND THOSE THE BOUTIQUE AND ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. WE KNOW THAT THINGS CHANGE OVER TIME AND SO WHERE WE WERE AT IN THE FIRST YEAR AND WE GET THIS THING BUILT WILL BE IN DIFFERENTLACE AFTER THAT. SO FOR JUST BE PATIENT WITH STAFF AND YOU KNOW WITH THIS THING GETS DONE THAT WOULD HAVE A GREAT SITUATION AND THEN WE ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT. YOU KNOW PUTTING IN THE SITE PLAN WHERE THE EXPANSIONS WOULD BE. THANKS FOR IT. SO I COULD VISUALLY SEE THAT. THANKS. COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS. YOU CAN LEAVE THAT MAP IN THERE. I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION JUST BECAUSE HAVE A RESIDENTS CONCERNS I'M THINKING OF THIS IF YOU ARE PLANNING ON HAVING AN ENTRANCE ROAD BY IVY LANE FROM PENN AVENUE TO THIS FACILITY, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO MOVE THE PARKING LOT TO THAT WEST SIDE OF THE LOCATION AND ELIMINATE THE PARKING ENTRANCE ON NEWTON AND STILL YOU SEE ALL THE GREENERY THAT YOU HAVE IN THERE MOVED TO THE OTHER SIDE. WOULD THAT BE POSSIBLE AT ALL? AND JUST YES, THAT THAT PLOT IS ACTUALLY PART OF PRESBYTERIAN HOMES AND IT'S WHERE THEY'REOING THEIR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND SO THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME SORT OF A LAND SWAP BETWEEN THE CITY AND PRESBYTERIAN HOMES TO TO DO ANYTHING YOU'D SAY NO MORE I GUESS I GUESS I, I GUESS I WAS JUST TAKING A LOOK AT THE MAP IN HERE AND YOU KNOW IT JUST WOULD MAKE SENSE RIGHT? YEAH. SLOPPY IF YOU WERE THE CITY'S PROPERTY I GUESS. YEAH, THAT'S A I HAD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER COUNCILMEMBER. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. ONE POINT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP TODAY I AM INTERESTED IN WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH LIGHTING IN THE PARKING LOT AND THERE IS OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE DIRECTED LIGHTING SO THAT AT MINIMIZES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE GETTING INTO THE NEIGHBORS HOMES SO THAT'S SOMETHING I'D BE INTERESTED IN AS REVIEWING AND PURSUING IN THE PARKING LOT AS WE HAVE TO KEEP IT LIT FOR SAFETY. BUT ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO DIRECT LIGHT SPECIFICALLY AWAY FROM RESIDENTS PRESBYTERIAN HOMES THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATE IT. YES . SO I HAVE A QUESTION. I'M LOOKING AT THE LEAD SCORECARD. YES. AND ON THIS MAP I WENT ON THAT MAP I SAW FIVE TS MEAN TRANSIT STOPS AND AN INTERSECTION OF TWO MAJOR COUNTY ROADS. WHY FOR LOCATION AND TRANSPORTATION DO WE ONLY SCORE TWO OF POSSIBLE POINTS? THIS IS A ALWAYS A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE BECAUSE THE LOCATION AND TRANSPORTATION REALLY HAS TO DO WITH THE SITE THAT YOU'RE GIVEN. THERE'S NOTHING REALLY YOU CAN DO TO IMPROVE THOSE SCORES BECAUSE IT HAS TO DO WITH CONNECTIONS TO ROUTES HOW MANY ROUTES, FREQUENCY OF ROUTES, OTHER TRAFFIC PATTERNS AND JUST THE NETWORK THAT SURROUNDS THAT PARTICULAR SITE. AND SO WE'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT WE CAN DO THAT BUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND MTC YOU KNOW WE'D HAVE TO ROBUSTLY IMPROVE THOSE ROUTES IN ORDER TO GET THOSE NUMBERS UP. OKAY. JUST I WAS WONDERING IT DIDN'T SEEM TO MAKE SENSE BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE AT LEAST SERVED I DON'T KNOW HOW WELL SERVED BUT IT'S CERTAINLY SERVED BY METRO TRANSIT. SO COUNSEL, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR ARE WE READY TO WRAP UP? >> LAST ONE COUNCILMEMBER THANK YOU, MAYOR. YOU REMINDED ME I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE WORKING WITH MY TRANSIT TO GET COVERED BUS STATIONS THERE. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I'M NOT WILLING TO LET GO WITH WITH ESPECIALLY WITH HOW MUCH PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE USING THIS PLACE. I WANT EVERYONE TO BE ABLE TO USE THIS PLACE AND COVERED BUS STATIONS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU MUCH FOR THE UPDATE. THANK YOU. AND I UNDERSTAND WE'LL BE SEEING MORE OF YOU. YES. THIS MONTH AND IT'S PROBABLY IN THE NEXT MONTH AS WELL. VERY GOOD. THANKS SO MUCH. THANK YOU. STAFF WELL THEN MOVING ON COUNCIL IN OUR ORGANIZATIONAL BUSINESS TO ITEM 5.2 ARE CITY COUNCIL POLICY AND ISSUE UPDATE AND I WILL GO THROUGH OUR CITY COUNCIL LISTENING SESSION. I THINK WE HAD MORE PEOPLE SPEAK AT THE LISTENING SESSION THAN WE'VE EVER HAD SPEAK AT THE LISTENING SESSION TONIGHT. IT WAS 1 TO 3 456789 PEOPLE SPOKE AT THE LISTENING SESSION. WE GOT NINE PEOPLE IN AND JUST OVER JUST LIKE TWO MINUTES OVER A HALF HOUR. SO THAT WAS PRETTY IMPRESSIVE. MASACCIO ALL I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT HER GRANDSON'S TRANSFER TO JEFFERSON OR FROM JEFFERSON TO KENNEDY HIGH SCHOOL AFTER HE WAS ASSAULTED AT THE SCHOOL AND ASKED FOR OUR HELP. AND I KNOW THAT I KNOW WHERE OUR LEGAL STAFF REACHED OUT TO HIM AND THEM SPECIFICALLY WITH OUR NEW VICTIM LIAISON THAT WE WERE INTRODUCED TO TODAY. SO THAT WAS NICE. AND WE WILL WE WE GAVE YOU ADVICE ALSO TO SPEAK TO THE SCHOOL BOARD AS OPPOSED TO THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING THAT BECAUSE THAT'S PROBABLY THE MORE APPROPRIATE GROUP TO BE TALKING TO. ERIC LUNDEEN WAS TALKING ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE OF TREES BY XCEL ENERGY AROUND POWER LINES. HE LIVES ON BY VALLEY VIEW I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT HE WAS 99 AND HE SAID AND HE'S LOST POWER OFTEN DURING WEATHER EVENTS. AS I SAID I WAS SURPRISED. I THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT XCEL CUTTING TREES BACK TOO FAR BUT IN FACT HE WAS COMPLAINING THAT THEY WERE CUTTING TREES BACK ENOUGH. I KNOW OUR OUR PUBLIC WORKS STAFF IS AWARE OF THIS ISSUE AND WILL BE BRINGING UP WITH OUR FRIENDS AT XCEL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE AVOID EXTENSIVE PROBLEMS WITH THAT. JEFFREY CAMERON SPOKE TO US. HE'S A RESIDENT OF THE NEWTON AVENUE NEIGHBORHOOD AND HE SPOKE VERY WELL ABOUT SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC CHANGES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I APPRECIATED HIM BEING THERE THIS EVENING JONATHAN MINKS SPOKE IN OPPOSITION TO THE COMMUNITY HEALTH AND WELLNESS CENTER ON A VARIETY OF ISSUES. THEN BRYAN HAMMERSON ALSO SPOKE IN OPPOSITION TO THE COMMUNITY HEALTH AND WELLNESS CENTER. SALLY RICHMOND OR SANDY EXCUSE ME SANDY RICHMOND CAME FORWARD AND WAS ADVOCATING FOR MENTORS IN BLOOMINGTON ESPECIALLY THROUGH THE BIG BROTHERS BIG SISTERS PROGRAM SO IT WAS GOOD TO HEAR FROM HER. CATHY JONES SPOKE TO US ABOUT THE JAMES AVENUE CITY HOMES PROJECT AND WOULD HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHEN THAT WAS GOING TO GET GOING AND WAS GOING TO REPLACE THE THE EMPTY SPACE IN THE WEEDS THAT WERE CURRENTLY ON THE ON THE SITE AND FINALLY SEAN ME OR SHANNON MAVIS SPOKEN OPPOSITION TO THE COMMUNITY HEALTH AND WELLNESS CENTER ALSO AS I SAID I THINK NINE PEOPLE SPOKE TO THIS EVENING I'M COUNTING 123456I THINK SIX OF THE NINE WERE WERE UNIQUE SPEAKERS ONCE AGAIN TONIGHT. SO AS WE KEEP THAT COUNT AND I CONTINUE TO BE IMPRESSED WITH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT WE HEAR FROM AT OUR CITY COUNCIL LISTENING SESSIONS. SO THANKS TO EVERYBODY WHO SPOKE. THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I WILL BRING UP IS WHAT I BROUGHT UP WHEN WE STARTED THE MEETING THAT TOMORROW NIGHT IS NATIONAL NIGHT OUT AND I KNOW THAT I BELIEVE ALL OF YOU ARE PARTICIPATING. I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT YOU ARE IT'S A FANTASTIC OPPORTUNITY. IT'S A FANTASTIC OPPORTUNITY TO GET OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY AND TO JUST TALK TO NEIGHBORS AND TALK ABOUT BREAKNECK SPEED. I MEAN TALK WITH IN THEIR NINE SPEAKERS IN A HALF HOUR AT THE LISTENING SESSION IS NOTHING COMPARED TO THE 8 OR 9 STOPS WE MAKE IN TWO HOURS AT THESE THESE ARE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT PARTIES BUT IT'S ALWAYS A FANTASTIC EVENING. IT'S A GREAT COMMUNITY BUILDER. THANK Y TO OUR BLOOMINGTON POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR PULLING IT ALL TOGETHER AND FOR PUTTING THE WORK IN. THANK YOU TO OUR BLOOMINGTON CRIME PREVENTION FOLKS AND TO OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR HELPING SUPPORTED AS WELL. NOTHING WORSE THAN BEING AT ONE OF THE EVENTS AND HAVE A FIRE TRUCK ROLL UP BECAUSE THEN NOBODY CARES WHO YOU ARE THEY JUST WANT THE FIRE TRUCK AND IT'S IT'S ALWAYS A FUN THING THEY DO A IT'S GREAT THAT THEY PARTICIPATE IN OUR PART OF THAT. SO LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT AND LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING EVERYBODY TOMORROW NIGHT AND PLEASE GET OUT AND SEE YOUR NEIGHBORS AND GET OUT AND HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TO TO MEET FOLKS OR REACQUAINT YOURSELF OR JUST SPEND SOME TIME AND TIME ON A NICE SUNDAY SUMMER EVENING WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS. SO THAT IS WHAT I HAVE THIS EVENING COUNCIL MEETING AND I KNOW YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE OF VERY GOOD THINGS TO TALK ABOUT AS WELL. OOH, A COUPLE WE'LL GO WITH ONE BUT IT IS EXCITING. OUR COMMUNICATIONS TEAM LAST WEEK THEY RECEIVED NINE AWARDS AT THIS YEAR'S MINNESOTA ASSOCIATION OF GOVERNMENT COMMUNICATORS NORTHERN LIGHTS CEREMONY WHICH IS AWESOME THAT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT WILL JUST CLAP COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT PARKS AND REC AND PUBLIC WORKS ARE RECOGNIZE WITH AN AWARD FOR THEIR ENGAGEMENT WORK ON THE NINE MILE CREEK RESTORATION PROJECT. MORE THAN 200 PEOPLE ATTENDED THE EVENT THAT STARTED WITH A KEYNOTE PRESENTATION FROM OUR VERY OWN COMMUNICATIONS ADMINISTRATOR JANINE HILL. THE MAGIC ARC WHICH IS THE BIG LONG NAME THAT I JUST SPELLED OUT 2020 FOR A LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD. SHE GOT TO PRESENT THAT AND WE ENDED WITH THE BLOOMINGTON CREW HOLDING THREE FIRST PLACES FOR SECOND PLACES AND TWO BRONZE AWARDS. CONGRATS TO THE ENTIRE TEAM. THANK. THEY ALWAYS CLEAN UP. WE HAVE PROBABLY THE BEST COMMUNICATIONS STAFF I THINK IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA AND THEY DO OUTSTANDING WORK AND THEY ALWAYS THAT WORK IS ALWAYS RECOGNIZED. THAT'S NOT JUST US SAYING THAT THAT'S BEING RECOGNIZED BY THEIR PEERS ACROSS THE STATE OF MINNESOTA AND FOR THAT MATTER NATIONALLY AND WELL DONE TO THEM AND CONGRATS TO THEM. COUNSEL ANYTHING ELSE TO BRING FORWARD THIS EVENING COUNCIL MEMBER ALUMINUM COUNCIL MEMBER DALLESSANDRO HOW COME I'M SURPRISED THAT YOU TWO ARE THE ONES TO BRING? WE'RE JUST WE'RE MEMBER ALONE. WELL FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO START OFF BY JUST SAYING THAT YOU KNOW, DURING OUR CONVERSATION THE PREVAILING WAGE PORTION COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO OR JUST TO BE SURE THAT THAT NONE OF MY COMMENTS WERE MEANT TO BE PERSONAL OF ANY NATURE AT ALL STRICTLY ABOUT THE POLICY ITSELF. SO I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT IF YOU IF YOU HEARD MY STATEMENTS THAT WAY THAT I APOLOGIZE THAT'S NOT WHAT WAS MEANT BY MY STATEMENTS AT ALL . I WANTED TO MENTION THAT IT'S TIMELY. I HAD A CONVERSATION OVER THE WEEKEND AND I MENTIONED THIS TO THE MAYOR OVER THE WEEKEND OF THE UNFORTUNATEVENTS THAT HAPPENED IN ACTIVITY OF MARY. THERE WAS A THERE WAS A ROBBERY THAT TOOK PLACE THERE AND YOU KNOW, I JUST FIND IT JUST SORRY TO HEAR THAT THAT HAPPENED TO THAT CONGREGATION AND REALLY ANY OF OUR OUR OUR RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS WHEN THEY'RE ATTACKED IN THAT MANNER THAT YOU KNOW, THAT WE YOU KNOW, IT BRINGS AND HIGHLIGHTS THE IMPORTANCE OF NATIONAL NIGHT OUT AND THE HARD WORK THAT OUR POLICE FORCE HAS DONE. AND I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN OVER THERE AND THEY'RE HAVING THAT CONVERSATION. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS MENTIONED TO ME IS THAT IT WAS NOT AT ALL MENTIONED IN OUR IN OUR NEWSPAPER THAT ACCORDING TO THEM I HADN'T YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT JUST HAD HAPPENED AND THEY HADN'T HAD A CHANCE TO PUBLISH IT. SO CERTAINLY WHEN WE'RE YOU KNOW, HAVING THAT CONVERSATION LATER ON I'LL WANT TO LOOK BACK AT THAT. BUT HOPE WE GET THOSE THINGS FIGURED OUT. AND THEN FINALLY I JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY DURING OUR LISTENING SESSION I CERTAINLY FIELDED A NUMBER OF CALLS AROUND THIS OUR COMMUNITY CENTER AND JUST SOME DISTURBING THINGS THAT I'VE KIND OF HEARD THAT ARE REALLY NOT FACTUALLY BASED. YOU KNOW, THIS IDEA THAT THAT YOU KNOW THAT OUR OUR HEALTH DEPARTMENT IS FREE OF CHARGE PAYING FOR RICH FIELDS HEALTH DEPARTMENT THAT'S TOTALLY FALSE THAT THAT IS NOT THE CASE AT ALL. WE ARE GETTING MONEY, YOU KNOW, FROM RICHFIELD AND FROM EDINA TO KIND OF CARRY OUT OUR OUR OUR HEALTH TYPE NEEDS. WE HAVE A HAVE PROGRAMS BEEN AROUND GOSH YOU KNOW FOR FOUR DECADES IN THE CITY TO REALLY HIGHLIGHT WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO FOR OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY AND FOR THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE MOST VULNERABLE AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BUILDING IN WHICH THAT THAT OUR HEALTH DEPARTMENT WAS IN, I MEAN IT JUST WAS REALLY JUST NOT OF THE DIGNITY OF THE MAKING OF THAT THAT THAT PARTICULAR PLACE. AND SO BY MOVING THIS THAT WHOLE DEPARTMENT TO ANOTHER LOCATION I THINK IT REALLY TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OUR ENTIRE MISSION OF BEING IN A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO BE YOU KNOW, IN THE SAME THING COULD BE SAID FOR THE LARGEST DEMOGRAPHIC IN THE COMMUNITY CENTER. YOU KNOW, THAT COMMUNITY CENTER HAS HAS BEEN A PROBLEM FOR YEARS AND WE TRIED TO, YOU KNOW, REPLACE IT WITH ANOTHER SITE IN VALLEY VIEW THAT DIDN'T WORK OUT AND WE DECIDED TO MAKE THAT SHIFT. IT WAS DIFFICULT. IT CAST THAT FOLKS. I WAS A BIG SUPPORTIVE PROPONENT OF THE VALLEY VIEW AREA BUT I HAD DETERMINED AND LOOKED AT IT AND SAID HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'RE AT A POINT NOW WHERE THAT YOU KNOW WE CAN'T DO THIS ANYMORE. AND SO I YOU KNOW, I SAID HEY, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CAST THE VOTE TO CHANGE THIS. IT WAS PAINFUL I THOUGHT WAS THE BETTER SITE BECAUSE IT WAS LARGER AND NOW WE'RE YOU KNOW ,NOT WHAT WAS MY FIRST SITE OR MY SECOND, THIRD OR FOURTH THIS SITE NOW WE'RE AT THE CREEK'S CREEKSIDE AREA AND WE KNOW IT'S A SMALLER SITE AND I THINK YOU KNOW THIS STAFF IN THIS COUNCIL HAS WORKED HARD TO BE ABLE TO TRY TO LOOK AT THE CONCERNS THAT THOSE RESIDENTS HAVE AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO TRY TO DO THAT TO TRY TO FIND THE BEST WAY TO KIND OF MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW YOU KNOW, WE WE'VE GOT SOME WORK TO DO ON THAT. BUT I AM I AM VERY HOPEFUL THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO FIND A SOLUTION TO THOSE ISSUES AND TRY TO MITIGATE AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. I KNOW THAT THERE ARE THOSE FOLKS WHO NO MATTER WHAT WE DO WILL NOT FIND ANYTHING THAT WE DO HELPFUL THERE OR THEIR WILLINGNESS TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THAT AND YOU KNOW AS A ROTARIAN YOU KNOW I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THE FOUR-WAY TEST. YOU KNOW THE TRUTH IS IS THAT YOU KNOW A MAJORITY OF VOTERS IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON VOTED FOR THAT SITE NO GRANTED YOU KNOW THE NEXT PART OF IT YOU KNOW WHAT DID IT LOOK EXACTLY THE WAY THAT WE HAD INTENDED TO LOOK THAT WAY? NO, NOT NECESSARILY. THAT WAS THE CRITICISM THAT WE HAD WITH THE VALLEY VIEW WAS THAT WE HAD A PLAN ALREADY AND WE'RE READY TO ROLL THIS THING OUT. YOU KNOW, IS IT BENEFICIAL TO ALL CONCERNED, YOU KNOW, GETTING ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF THAT? YEAH, IT IS BENEFICIAL TO ALL CONCERNED EVEN IF YOU'RE THERE AND LIVING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. EVERYONE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT THAT PARTICULAR SITE AND I COULD GO ON AND ON BUT I JUST THINK THAT WE REALLY NEED TO JUST TAKE A STEP BACK FOR A MOMENT HERE AND REALIZE HOW MUCH MONEY WE'VE SPENT ON THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND HOW MUCH THAT HAS COST THIS COMMUNITY AND TO SIMPLY SHUT IT DOWN AND NOT MOVE FORWARD AND NOT HAVE A CONVERSATION AND WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT THOSE FOLKS WHO LIVE THERE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK IT'S SHORTSIGHTED. SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO CONTINUING THE CONVERSATION AND LOOKING TO SEE WHAT WAYS WE CAN BE ABLE TO OVERCOME THE OBSTACLES THAT THOSE FOLKS THAT LIVE CLOSEST TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ARE FACING. AND IT'S MY TRUE PASSION. THANK YOU, MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I HAD TWO THINGS. THE FIRST ONE WAS I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF DOUBLE DOWN A LITTLE BIT ON THE THE LISTENING SESSION TOPICS AROUND OUR OUR TREES AND SPECIFICALLY THE TREES THAT ARE IN THE THE THE EASEMENTS AS I MENTIONED AT THAT TIME I'VE HEARD FROM 2 OR 3 OTHER RESIDENTS JUST IN THE PAST WEEK ABOUT THEIR FRUSTRATIONS AROUND THIS. I DON'T KNOW THE THE FRUSTRATION THAT I DIDN'T HEAR TONIGHT BUT THAT I'VE HEARD ON THE PHONE IS THAT THERE'S A RUN AROUND THAT HAPPENS THERE'S A POINTING FINGERS, RIGHT. EXCEL SAYS IT'S YOUR PROBLEM YOU THE CITY SAYS IT'S OUR SALES PROBLEM IT'S LIKE YOU KNOW THIS CONSTANT THING I DON'T KNOW IF OUR FORESTRY MASTER PLAN IS GOING TO HELP US OR NOT BUT I WOULD AND I'VE SAID THIS TO STAFF ALREADY I CANNOT WAIT FOR THAT THING TO ACTUALLY BE IN FRONT OF US SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND HOW IT IS GOING TO HELP US MANAGE OUR TREE CHALLENGES. WE WE IT JUST FEELS LIKE IT'S EVEN MORE AND MORE AND MORE OF A PRIORITY FOR US AND AND IT'S TAKING IT'S TAKING A LONG TIME AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BELITTLE THE FINE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE BUT THE SOONER WE CAN GET OUR HANDS AROUND THIS THE BETTER OFF WE'RE GOING TO BE ON MULTIPLE FRONTS. I CANNOT IMAGINE US SITTING HERE AND AND ONE MORE YEAR WITHOUT HEARING ABOUT SOMETHING TRULY DEVASTATING HAPPENING BECAU THESE TREES ARE NOT BEING MANAGED EFFECTIVELY AND UNDERSTAND THAT IT TAKES A COOPERATION IT TAKES EVERYBODY TO DO THEIR PART. I HAD TO TAKE DOWN MY TREE. I DIDN'T LIKE DOING IT. I DID RIGHT. WE ALL HAVE TO DO IT. BUT WHEN YOU'RE IN THESE LIMINAL SPACES BETWEEN THINGS, YOU KNOW ULTIMATELY EXCEL HAS AN OBLIGATION TO I FEEL LIKE I'M RIGHT IN THAT EXCEL LATELY EXCEL HAS AN OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE SERVICE TO THIS COMMUNITY AND THIS IS WHY THIS WHOLE THING AROUND THEIR YOU AT RIGHT OF WAY ACCESS AND EVERYTHING IS SOMETHING WE JUST GIVE THEM BUT THEY HAVE TO DO THEIR JOB AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO AS A CITY BUT CALL THEM IN FRONT OF US AND SAY WHAT IN THE WORLD OR SOMETHING TO GET THEM TO ACTUALLY TAKE THAT SERIOUSLY. BUT IT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF THE PUZZLE THAT I THINK WE'RE JUST NOT WE'RE NOT WE'RE LEAVING IT UP TO ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH TO KIND OF DEAL WITH ON A CASE BY CASE WHEN WE KNOW IT'S A SYSTEMATIC CITYWIDE PROBLEM. SO THAT'S MY FIRST COMMENT. SECOND COMMENT IS RELATED WHICH IS AS A RESULT OF OUR VOTE TONIGHT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE NEED TO MOVE OUT IN ORDER FOR THEM TO HAVE THE TIME AND ENERGY TO BRING THAT BACK TO US AFTER ALL THAT DISCUSSION WE ALWAYS DO THIS TO OUR STAFF. WE TELL THEM NO, GO BACK AND DO IT AGAIN BUT WE NEVER PROVIDE THEM WITH THE ROOM TO DO THAT. SO I'M CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT IT IS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE UP IN ORDER TO GET THAT CONVERSATION BACK IN FRONT OF US SOMETIME IN SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER. SO I THINK WE SHOULD REALLY THINK THROUGH THAT AND MAKE A DECISION. MAYBE WE DON'T BRING IT BACK UNTIL NEXT YEAR. MAYBE WE PUT IT ON THE WORK PLAN FOR 2026 OR SOMETHING ELSE AND WE ALL LIVE WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF NOT BEING ABLE TO MOVE CERTAIN DEVELOPMENT ITEMS FORWARD BECAUSE OF THAT . BUT WE DON'T EVER TALK ABOUT THAT. WE JUST SAY BRING IT BACK AND LIKE I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO GET MOVED. SO IF I IF WE COULD ASK STAFF TO TELL US WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO MOVE OUT OF THE WAY THAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE IN THEIR WORK PLAN TO MAKE ROOM FOR THIS SO WE CAN HELP MAKE A DECISION ABOUT THAT? I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE PRUDENT. THANK YOU. I AGREE WITH YOU COUNCILMEMBER AND I THINK MAYBE THE CORRECT WAY TO SAY IT RATHER THAN WHAT DO YOU WHAT WHAT IS THE BEST TIME FOR STAFF GETTING GIVEN THE PRIORITIES AND THE WORK THAT THEY'VE ALREADY GOT GOING ON? YOU'RE RIGHT. IT MIGHT BE AFTER THE NEW YEAR, IT MIGHT BE PART OF THE 26 WORK PLAN BUT I WOULD ASK THEM TO GIVE US SOME ADVICE ON THAT. >> YEAH AND I MEAN IT TO SAY LIKE THEY I WANT THEM TO FEEL EMPOWERED NOT TO FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE TO BRING IT BACK BECAUSE WE DID THIS TONIGHT. IF THEY CAN'T BRING IT BACK WITHOUT CUTTING SOMETHING ELSE TO DO IT. AGREE. THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER NELSON THANKS MAYOR. I JUST ECHO THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE TREES AND EXCEL. I HAD LOST POWER ENOUGH TIMES LAST YEAR THAT THEY SENT ME MONEY. THE TREE APPARENTLY IN MY YARD JUST THE SAME THING THEY TOLD HIM WELL THAT TREE NOT IN YOUR YARD SO YOU CAN'T CALL IT IN. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT BUT YEAH, APPARENTLY THERE'S A POLICY IF YOU LOSE FOUR OVER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME OR A CERTAIN NUMBER OF TIMES THAT THEY HAVE TO PAY YOU. SO I GOT PAID AND I'M IT'S VERY CONVENIENT FOR ME BECAUSE FOR SOME REASON MY SIDE OF THE STREET AND THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE STREET ARE ON DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE GRID. AND SO MY NEIGHBOR AND I JUST HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING WE RUN A CORD ACROSS THE STREET SO WHEN THE POWER GOES OUT 2025 THAT'S HOW WE'RE CITIES. YEAH, YEAH IT WORKS GREAT SO BUT WHAT I ACTUALLY WANT TO BRING UP IS THERE WAS A BUNCH OF INFORMATION WITHIN THE PACKET REGARDING THE COMMUNITY HEALTH AND WELLNESS CENTER WHOLE STUDIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND I JUST DIDN'T WANT ANYBODY TO FEEL LIKE WE JUST SKIP THAT AND LIKE IT. LET'S NOT TALK ABOUT THAT. THAT IS PART OF THE AUGUST 25TH CONVERSATION CORRECT? SO WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION. IT'S OUT THERE BUT THAT WILL BE AND HOPEFULLY KIND OF MAYBE REFINED BY THE INFORMATION THAT THEY HAVE ABOUT PINE AVENUE. SO JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT FOR PEOPLE IF THEY SEE THAT THAT INFORMATION WAS THERE AND AND THAT WE DIDN'T TALK EXTENSIVELY. SO THAT'S GOOD. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. COUNCILMEMBER THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP BECAUSE ANYTHING ELSE WE HAVE REACHED THE UNDER AGENDA I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN SO WE MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO SECOND MY COUNCILMEMBER TO ADJOURN THIS EVENING NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO COUNSEL THANK YOU MUCH FOR THE DISCUSSION THIS EVENING. THANKS TO ALL OF OUR VISITORS WHO WERE HERE THIS EVENING AND PROVIDED A GOOD GOOD INPUT TO BOTH IN THE LISTENING SESSION AND AT THE MEETING ITSELF. THANKS TO STAFF EVERYBODY HAVE A GREAT TUESDAY. ENJOY NATIONAL NIGHT OUT