[0:14] Alyssa Olson: GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION. TODAY IS MONDAY, MAY 22ND, MY NAME IS ALYSSA OLSON, PRESIDENT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THE CITY WILL BE RECORDING AND POSTING THIS MEETING TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND YOUTUBE CHANNEL AS A MEANS OF INCREASING PUBLIC ACCESS AND TRANSPARENCY. [0:31] Alyssa Olson: THIS MEETING IS PUBLIC AND SUBJECT TO THE MINNESOTA OPEN MEETING LAW. AT THIS TIME, I WILL ASK THE CLERK TO PLEASE CALL THE ROLL TO VERIFY A QUORUM. [0:31] Casey Carl: COMMISSIONER FORD WILL BE ABSENT THIS EVENING. COMMISSIONER ALPER. [0:49] Commissioner Alper: PRESENT. [0:49] Casey Carl: COMMISSIONER BAXLEY. [0:49] Commissioner Baxley: HERE. [0:49] Casey Carl: COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL. [0:49] Commissioner Campbell: HERE. [0:49] Casey Carl: COMMISSIONER CONLEY IS ABSENT. COMMISSIONER KOSKI. [0:49] Commissioner Koski: PRESENT. [0:49] Casey Carl: COMMISSIONER MARWAH IS ABSENT. [1:08] Commissioner Meyer: HERE. [1:08] Casey Carl: AND CHAIR OLSON. WE HAVE SIX MEMBERS PRESENT. WE HAVE A QUORUM. WE'LL PROCEED TO THE AGENDA, A COPY OF WHICH WAS POSTED FOR PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE CITY'S LEGISLATIVE INFORMATION MANAGEMENT SYSTEM AVAILABLE AT LIMS.MINNEAPOLIS MN.GOV AS WELL AS BY THE COUNTER BY THE CLERK OVER THERE. [1:30] Alyssa Olson: WE WILL BEGIN WITH ACCEPTANCE OF THE MINUTES FROM MAY 22ND, 2023 THAT MUST BE WRONG. [1:30] Casey Carl: CHAIR, I HAVE MAY 8TH AND MAY MEETING WITH CLERK. [1:49] Alyssa Olson: IS THAT WHAT YOU HAVE? I'M ON THE SCRIPT -- MY APOLOGIES. WE WILL BEGIN WITH ACCEPTANCE OF THE MINUTES FROM MAY 8TH AND MAY 11TH. MOTION TO ACCEPT THOSE MINUTES FOR APPROVAL? [2:04] Commissioner: MOTION. [2:04] Commissioner: SECOND. [2:04] Alyssa Olson: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ALL OPPOSED. ANY ABSTENTIONS. [2:20] Alyssa Olson: MOTION PASSES. THE MINUTES ARE ADOPTED. OUR NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO ORGANIZE THE PUBLIC HEARING AGENDA. I'LL READ THROUGH THE AGENDA ITEMS AND NUMBERS AND STATE WHETHER THEY'RE SLATED FOR CONSENT OR DISCUSSION. CONSENT ITEMS WILL BE PASSED BY THE BOARD WITHOUT DISCUSSION WILL BE ADOPTING THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THOSE ITEMS. [2:37] Alyssa Olson: DISCUSSION ITEMS WILL BE DISCUSSED BY THE BOARD, AND WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC TESTIMONY BEFORE DELIBERATING ON THOSE. SO IF YOU AGREE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION, YOU DON'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING, AND WE'LL ADOPT STAFF RECOMMENDATION. IF YOU DISAGREE WITH RECOMMENDATION, YOU CAN INDICATE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM BY JUST RAISING YOUR HAND AND WE'LL PUT THAT ITEM ON OUR DISCUSSION AGENDA. [3:02] Alyssa Olson: IF YOU DO SPEAK ON AN ITEM, YOU'LL HAVE TWO MINUTES TO SPEAK ON THAT ITEM, SO PREPARE YOUR COMMENTS ACCORDINGLY. WITH THAT, WE HAVE THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING: ITEM NUMBER 4 IS 3020 AND 3024 6TH STREET NORTH. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THIS ITEM FOR CONSENT. [3:29] Alyssa Olson: IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON ITEM NUMBER 4? SEEING NONE, WE'LL PUT ITEM NUMBER 4 ON CONSENT. ITEM NUMBER 5 IS 1011 AND 1025 PORTLAND AVENUE. WE WILL BE DISCUSSING THIS ITEM. SO PUT ITEM NUMBER 5 ON DISCUSSION. [3:53] Alyssa Olson: ITEM NUMBER 6 IS 2800, 2804, 2808 AND 2812 27TH AVENUE SOUTH. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THIS ITEM FOR CONSENT. IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM NUMBER 6? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL PUT ITEM NUMBER 6 ON OUR DISCUSSION AGENDA. [4:10] Alyssa Olson: SO WE HAVE ITEM 4 ON CONSENT, AND WE WILL DISCUSS ITEMS 5 AND 6. COMMISSIONERS, COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AS AMENDED? [4:10] Commissioner: SO MOVED. [4:10] Commissioner: SECOND. [4:10] Alyssa Olson: ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. [4:30] Commissioners: AYE. [4:30] Alyssa Olson: ALL OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? ALL RIGHT. THAT MOTION PASSES, AND THE AGENDA HAS BEEN ADOPTED. WE WILL HANDLE OUR PUBLIC HEARING AGENDA IN THIS ORDER. FIRST I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR OUR CONSENT ITEMS AND WE'LL APPROVE THOSE ITEMS. [4:47] Alyssa Olson: AFTER WE'VE DEALT WITH THOSE ITEMS, WE CAN PROCEED TO OUR TWO DISCUSSION ITEMS. SO NOW I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE CONSENT ITEM, WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER 4. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 4? IF SO, YOU CAN COME TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND PROCEED WITH YOUR COMMENTS. [5:09] Alyssa Olson: SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM NUMBER 4, THE CONSENT AGENDA. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT ITEM NUMBER 4? [5:09] Commissioner: MOVED. [5:09] Commissioner: SECOND. [5:29] Alyssa Olson: ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. [5:29] Commissioners: AYE. [5:29] Alyssa Olson: ALL OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? ALL RIGHT. THAT MOTION PASSES, SO IF YOU'RE HERE FOR ITEM NUMBER 4, THAT ITEM HAS BEEN APPROVED. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO OUR TWO DISCUSSION ITEMS. WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC TESTIMONY, DELIBERATE, AND THEN MAKE A DECISION ON THESE ITEMS. [5:52] Alyssa Olson: AFTER THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY HAS BEEN HEARD FOR EACH DISCUSSION ITEM, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT ITEM. ONCE I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR AN ITEM, NO ADDITIONAL PUBLIC TESTIMONY CAN BE TAKEN. HOWEVER, STAFF MAY STILL BE ASKED TO ADDRESS BOARD QUESTIONS. AGAIN, WE'LL BE LIMITING PUBLIC COMMENTS TO TWO MINUTES. SO PREPARE YOUR COMMENTS FOR THAT. [6:13] Alyssa Olson: OUR FIRST ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER 5, AND STAFF IS MEI-LING SMITH. [6:30] Mei-Ling Smith: GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS, MEI-LING SMITH. SORRY ABOUT THAT. THE SUBJECT SITE IS 1011, 1025 PORTLAND AVENUE. THIS IS A PROJECT YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION JUST A FEW MOMENTS AGO IN FEBRUARY. YOU APPROVED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A BOARD AND CARE HOME TO ALLOW THE CONVERSION OF TEN OF THEIR BEDROOMS TO ALLOW FOR A CLINICALLY MONITORED WITHDRAWAL MANAGEMENT FACILITY. [6:54] Mei-Ling Smith: SO THIS IS A SITE THAT HAS TWO PARCELS COMBINED, AND IT'S IN R6 MULTIPLE-FAMILY DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT IS COMING BEFORE YOU TODAY BECAUSE THEY WISH TO AMEND ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FROM FEBRUARY. THEY WOULD LIKE -- SO ONE OF THE CONDITIONS WAS TO FULLY ENCLOSE ON ALL FOUR SIDES THE TWO RECEPTACLES YOU SEE HERE AND THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE GARBAGE HAULER AND RECYCLING HAULER TO SEE HOW THIS WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO ACCOMMODATE A FRONT-LOADING TRUCK WHICH IS WHAT IS NEEDED FOR THESE TYPES OF BINS. AND THE BINS DO SERVE BOTH THIS SITE AND ALSO AN ADJACENT PROPERTY THAT RS EDEN OPERATES. THE APPLICANT HAS STATED IT'S NOT POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO ACCOMMODATE THAT CONDITION OF APPROVAL. [7:59] Mei-Ling Smith: THEY ARE PROPOSING A SITE PLAN. THIS IS THE AREA WHERE THE TRASH BINS ARE FACING GRANT STREET. THE SITE PLAN SHOWS THAT THEY WOULD BE IMPROVING UPON EXISTING SITE CONDITIONS. THEY WOULD HAVE AN ENCLOSURE ON THE THREE SIDES, AND THEY'D TUCK ONE OF THEM BACK SO IT WOULD BE BEHIND THE ALLEY, BUT IT WOULD STILL BE OPEN TO GRANT STREET TO ALLOW THE TRASH HAULER TO ENTER FROM THAT SIDE. [8:17] Mei-Ling Smith: STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF THE VARIANCE APPLICATION, TO REDUCE THE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE TRASH RECEPTACLES WE WISH TO SEE IT FULLY ENCLOSED ON ALL FOUR SIDES. THE FINDINGS ARE FOUND IN YOUR PACKETS. IN SUMMARY, THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE GARBAGE HAULERS MANEUVERING NEEDS CONSIDERING THE LARGE SIZE OF THE SITE BECAUSE IT DOES INCLUDE SERVICE PARKING AREA. IT ALSO DOESN'T MEET THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE. THE PARKING WOULD BE DIRECTLY VISIBLE FROM GRANT STREET. THAT'S WHERE THE STREET AND SIDEWALK ARE, AND THIS IS NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE. [8:59] Mei-Ling Smith: THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. I KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT HAS MORE TO SAY, AND I WILL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. [9:14] Alyssa Olson: THANK YOU, MEI-LING. COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I'M NOT SEEING ANY. THANK YOU. NOW WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THE APPLICANT HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YOU CAN COME FORWARD NOW AND GO AHEAD. [9:32] Erline Hood: GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS ERLINE HOOD, PRESIDENT AND CEO OF RS EDEN. AS STAFF INDICATED IN FEBRUARY THIS COMMISSION APPROVED THE CUP FOR OUR 59-BED RESIDENTIAL FACILITY. THE NEED FOR THE WITHDRAWAL MANAGEMENT PROGRAMS IN MINNEAPOLIS AND ACROSS THE NATION IS DIRE. [9:50] Erline Hood: MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY ARE OVERDOSING AND DYING AT NEVER BEFORE SEEN RATES. OVERDOSES THAT DO NOT RESULT IN DEATH ARE EXCEPTIONALLY EXPENSIVE, DRAINING HEALTHCARE SYSTEM AND TRAUMATIC TO ALL INVOLVED. THESE ARE PREVENTABLE. [10:07] Erline Hood: RS EDEN CAN PREVENT CLOG-UP OF EMERGENCY ROOMS AND PREVENT OVERDOSING AND DEATH. THE LAST BARRIER IN OUR ABILITY TO PROVIDE THIS LEVEL OF CARE IS THIS EXTERNAL TRASH ENCLOSURE SCREENING. I WANT TO REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT NO INTERNAL STRUCTURAL SITES HAD TO BE CHANGED FOR THE FACILITY, AND AT THIS POINT WE ARE TURNING AWAY ABOUT 60 PERCENT OF THE REFERRALS WHO COME TO US BECAUSE THEIR MEDICAL COMPLEXITY IS HIGHER THAN OUR LEVEL OF CARE ALLOWS US TO PROVIDE. THESE FOLKS ARE GOING TO THE EMERGENCY ROOMS OR BACK TO THE STREETS. [10:43] Erline Hood: I'LL TURN IT OVER TO TIFFANI, OUR COLLEAGUE AT LHB WHO WILL DIVE INTO THE PRACTICALITY. I JUST WANT TO REMIND FOLKS OF THE IMPORTANCE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY. THANK YOU. [10:43] Tiffani Navratil: THANK YOU, ERLINE. MY NAME IS TIFFANI NAVRATIL, PROFESSIONAL LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AT LHB. SUMMARIZING WHAT MEI-LING HAS ALREADY PRESENTED REGARDING THE LOCATION OF THE SITE. [11:11] Tiffani Navratil: THE ISSUE HERE WITH TRASH BIN LOCATION BOILS DOWN TO THREE BUCKETS OF HOW WE APPROACH THE SITE. SO YOU CAN APPROACH IT OFF OF GRANT STREET. YOU CAN APPROACH IT OFF OF PORTLAND, OR YOU CAN APPROACH IT VIA THE ALLEYS. THESE ARE EXISTING SITE PHOTOS HERE OF WHAT THE TRASH BIN LOOKS LIKE. THEY ARE QUITE CLOSE TO GRANT STREET AT THIS TIME. [11:32] Tiffani Navratil: THE EXISTING CONDITION, RIGHT NOW IF YOU LOOK AT HOW A FRONT LOADING TRASH TRUCK WORKS, IT NEEDS A GOOD AMOUNT OF MANEUVERING SPACE IN ORDER TO APPROACH A REALLY LARGE TRASH BIN LIKE THIS HEAD ON SO THEY CAN INSERT THEIR FORKS, LIFT IT UP OVER ITS HEAD AND SET IT BACK DOWN AGAIN. BECAUSE THE SITE REQUIRES TWO BINS, AN 8 CUBIC YARD TRASH BIN AND 4 CUBIC YARD RECYCLING BIN, IT HAS TO BACK UP AND REPOSITION ITSELF IN ORDER TO GET AT THE SECOND BIN. [12:01] Tiffani Navratil: RIGHT NOW, ALL OF THOSE TRASH TRUCK MANEUVERINGS ARE HAPPENING ON GRANT STREET, A VERY LOW-TRAFFIC CORRIDOR, AND IT IS VERY VISIBLE FROM GRANT STREET AS OF RIGHT NOW. YOU CAN SEE THE ALLEYWAY IS PRESENTING A PARTICULAR CHALLENGE. THE SITE WAS DEVELOPED BEFORE MODERN ZONING REQUIREMENTS WERE WRITTEN, SO THE ALLEY IS NARROWER THAN TYPICAL RIGHT-OF-WAY. EXISTING ELECTRICAL POLES AND EVEN MORE LIMITING IS EXISTING OVERHEAD POWER LINES. [12:36] Tiffani Navratil: THE SAME CONDITION APPLIES TO THE OTHER ALLEY THAT'S ON THE EAST SIDE OF 614 EAST GRANT STREET. THE TRASH HAULER HAS EMPHATICALLY STATED THEY WILL NOT ALLOW THEIR TRASH TRUCKS TO DRIVE UNDERNEATH THESE OVERHEAD ALLEYS. YOU CAN SEE THE DASH LINES ON THE EITHER SIDE OF THE REPRESENTATION OF HOW MUCH SPACE THAT THE TRUCK TAKES UP. [12:57] Tiffani Navratil: THERE'S THE TRUCK ITSELF IN SOLID BLACK LINES. THERE'S THE MIRRORS ONE FOOT AWAY ON EITHER SIDE, AND THEN THERE'S THAT EXTRA WIGGLE ROOM THAT I THINK WE ALL LEARNED THIS PAST WINTER IS REALLY NECESSARY IN MINNESOTA TO PLAN FOR THAT EXTRA LITTLE SPACE BECAUSE ONCE WE START HAVING SNOW STORAGE ISSUES TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT, IT WHITTLES AWAY AT THE AVAILABILITY OF OUR ALLEY SURFACE. [13:24] Tiffani Navratil: THIS IS ONE OF THE EXHIBITS FROM SHEET L202. VERY SIMILAR TO THAT REPRESENTED ON L203, WHERE IF YOU HAVE A TRUCK ACCESSING TRASH BINS THROUGH THE ALLEY, YOU WILL HIT THE EXISTING POWER LINES AND/OR THE EXISTING POWER POLES AND POTENTIALLY THE NEIGHBORING CMU LINE, AS WELL. [13:47] Tiffani Navratil: VIEW ACCESS, SOMETHING WITHIN THE PARKING AREA OFF OF PORTLAND. HERE'S TWO DIFFERENT ITERATIONS OF WHERE THOSE TRASH BINS COULD BE LOCATED. YOU END TRUCK MANEUVERING ON PORTLAND AVENUE, WHICH IS A VERY HIGH TRAFFIC CORRIDOR, CREATING PARTICULARLY UNSAFE CONDITION AND VEHICULAR COLLISIONS BECOME VERY LIKELY. WE WOULD BE ENCROACHING UPON THE LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE ANOTHER REQUIREMENT FOR THE CURRENT ZONING CODE AND REZONING OF THE SITE WHICH UNDERMINES THE SPIRIT OF THAT CODE. [14:18] Tiffani Navratil: AND THE TRASH HAULER HAS ALSO STATED THAT THEY WILL NOT ALLOW THEIR TRUCKS TO DRIVE IN REVERSE FOR SUCH AN EXTENDED LENGTH OF SPACE BECAUSE IT EXPONENTIALLY INCREASES THEIR CHANCES OF DAMAGING PRIVATE PROPERTY. THE RIGHT-HAND IMAGE ALSO SHOWS A TRASH ENCLOSURE SCENARIO WHETHER IT'S LIMITING THE AMOUNT OF TRUCK MANEUVERING NEEDS OFF OF PORTLAND BUT IT'S UNDERMINING THE SPIRIT OF THE CODE REQUIREMENTS THAT STATES THAT ADA PARKING NEEDS TO BE AS CLOSE TO THE FRONT DOOR AS POSSIBLE. [14:49] Tiffani Navratil: ALSO PLACING THE SMELLY TRASH BINS NEXT TO THE NEW LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE BEING REQUIRED OF THE CUP. FINALLY, ACCESS OFF OF GRANT STREET TO FULLY ENCLOSE IT ON ALL FOUR SIDES ALSO PRESENTS CHALLENGES. IN ORDER TO MAKE IT SO THAT THERE IS A GATE, IT HAS TO BE FACING GRANT STREET. [15:08] Tiffani Navratil: OTHERWISE THE TRASH HAULER WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET THE TRASH BINS OUT OF THE ENCLOSURE. HOWEVER, A GATE FACING GRANT STREET IS NOT ALLOWED IN CURRENT CODE. IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THE RESIDENTS CAN OPEN THE GATE, IT MAKES THE SIZE OF THE ENCLOSURE SO LARGE THAT IT NOW ENCROACHES ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. [15:28] Tiffani Navratil: WHEN I SPOKE WITH PAUL MILLER WITH PUBLIC WORKS HE SAID A SMALL AMOUNT OF ENCROACHMENT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO THE CITY ACROSS THE SIDEWALK, THAT WOULD BE UNACCEPTABLE. THAT IS THE ONLY CONDITION IN WHICH THE SCENARIO ON THE LEFT WOULD WORK. WE COULD ALSO EXPLORE THE OPTION OF HAVING A SLIDING DOOR WHICH WOULD END UP BEING A PERMANENT CONSTRUCTION THAT IS APPROXIMATELY 35 FEET LONG. [15:52] Tiffani Navratil: THAT WOULD BE VERY FENCE-LIKE AND AT LEAST SIX FEET TALL WHICH WOULD VIOLATE A DIFFERENT PART OF THE ZONING CODE IN ORDER TO HAVE THIS PERMANENT STRUCTURE IN PLACE BECAUSE A SLIDING GATE HAS TO BE NECESSARILY ENGINEERED TO BE VERY HEAVY. OTHERWISE IT WILL FAIL IMMEDIATELY. [16:09] Tiffani Navratil: THEN WE ALSO HAVE A SCENARIO IN WHICH WE'RE USING THE RAMP SPACE IN THE 614 EAST GRANT STREET BUILDING TO PUT IN A TRASH ENCLOSURE AND IT ALSO CREATES A WHOLE BUNCH OF ISSUES WITH WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE LIMITING ACCESS TO THE ADA EGRESS ON THAT BUILDING AND WHETHER OR NOT IT'S EVEN POSSIBLE TO WATERPROOF THE BUILDING WHICH IS UNKNOWN AND UNLIKELY GIVEN THE AGE OF THE BUILDING. [16:38] Tiffani Navratil: OUR PROPOSED SOLUTION IS TO SCREEN THE TRASH BIN IN EXISTING LOCATION ON THREE SIDES RATHER THAN FOUR. SO WE ARE USING GRANT STREET, WHICH IS STILL THE LOWEST TRAFFIC CORRIDOR AVAILABLE TO US TO COMPLETE OUR TRUCK MANEUVERS AS IS THE CURRENT EXISTING SOLUTION. [16:57] Tiffani Navratil: ELIMINATING ANY PERMANENT OR TEMPORARY ENCROACHMENTS INTO THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. ELIMINATING SAFETY CONFLICTS ON PORTLAND AVENUE WITH UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE AND WITH PARKED CARS. ELIMINATING ANY ADA CONFLICTS, WHETHER OR NOT IT MEANS WE'RE IMPACTING THE ADA EGRESS ON GRANT STREET OR ELIMINATING -- ON 1025 PORTLAND AND STILL ACHIEVING THE INTENDED GOAL OF IMPROVING THE STREET SCAPING ON GRANT STREET. [17:29] Tiffani Navratil: IT'S A VERY TECHNICAL CHALLENGE THAT WE ARE FACING. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? [17:29] Alyssa Olson: THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL? [17:40] Commissioner Campbell: SO STAFF HAD EARLIER COME UP AND SAID THAT -- MAYBE IT'S IN THE REPORT. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHERE I READ IT OR HEARD IT, THAT YOU HAVE NOT EXHAUSTED OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO YOU TO FIND A WAY TO FIT WITHIN THE CODE. I'M ASKING THE QUESTION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE PRESENTATION YOU'VE GIVEN US INCLUDES ALL POSSIBILITIES FOR TRASH REMOVAL OR IF THERE ARE OTHERS THAT ARE MAYBE TOO EXPENSIVE. [17:50] Tiffani Navratil: GREAT QUESTION. SO THERE ARE EIGHT EXHIBITS ILLUSTRATED. WE HAVE THE PROPOSED SOLUTION, EXISTING CONDITION AND EIGHT ITERATIONS OF WHAT WE COULD DO IN ORDER TO RESOLVE THIS ISSUE. IN THE VARIANCE APPLICATION THERE'S ALSO A NARRATIVE INCLUDED THAT WHETHER OR NOT WE USE A DIFFERENT KIND OF BIN. SO DOES IT NEED TO BE AN EIGHT-YARD OR THREE FOUR-YARD CUBIC BINS, COULD WE USE 90-GALLON BINS THAT YOU CAN PHYSICALLY ROLL OUT BY HAND TO THE STREET. [18:34] Tiffani Navratil: IN OUR DISCUSSION WITH THE TRASH HAULER, THERE IS A LIMITED AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT YOU CAN MANEUVER A TRASH BIN BY HAND UNTIL IT BECOMES IMPRACTICAL TO DO SO WITHIN A MINNESOTA WINTER SO THAT SEEMS UNDERSTANDABLE. THE EQUIVALENT VOLUME OF TRASH THAT WOULD NEED TO BE INCLUDED IN 90-GALLON ONES YOU CAN MOVE JUST AS A PERSON WOULD TRIPLE THE AMOUNT OF SPACE NEEDED TO ACTUALLY STORE ALL THOSE BINS. IT WOULD REQUIRE 24 90-GALLON BINS ALL STANDING OUTSIDE. [19:10] Tiffani Navratil: SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE TO TAKE 24 BINS OUT TO THE CURB EVERY WEEK IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THE SAME VOLUME OF TRASH COLLECTION, WHICH THE TRASH HAULER ALSO POINTED OUT THAT NO TRASH HAULER IN THE CITY WOULD ACCEPT THAT CONTRACT. SO WE'VE LOOKED AT HOW WE COULD APPROACH THE CONTAINER THAT THEY'RE BEING SET IN AND ALL OF THOSE SOLUTIONS SEEM NON-VIABLE. [19:31] Tiffani Navratil: IT REALLY BOILS DOWN TO NOW THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE MAKING A MAJOR INVESTMENT IN SITE REDESIGN IN ORDER TO REARRANGE THE EXISTING UTILITIES, IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THIS GOAL. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO MOVE UTILITY POLES. WE WOULD HAVE TO POTENTIALLY BURY OVERHEAD POWER LINES, AND INSTEAD OF INVESTING WHAT IS AMOUNTING TO APPROXIMATELY $70,000 FOR THE LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS THAT RS EDEN HAS ALREADY COMMITTED TO MAKING ALONG PORTLAND, WE ARE LOOKING AT A FINANCIAL COMMITMENT OF CLOSER TO $150,000 TO $200,000 FOR LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NOT ACTUALLY SUPPORTING THE INTENDED REUSE OF THE SITE FOR ELEVATED MEDICAL CARE. [20:14] Tiffani Navratil: I CAN ALSO NOTE THAT THE AMOUNT OF TIME AND ENERGY IT'S TAKEN JUST TO EXPLORE THESE OPTIONS HAS EATEN INTO THE THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS RANGE FOR CONSULTANCY FEES JUST TO SUPPORT THEM IN THIS EXPLORATION, AND THAT NUMBER CONTINUES TO GROW AS THIS CONVERSATION CONTINUES. [20:32] Alyssa Olson: THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER BAXLEY. [20:32] Commissioner Baxley: THANK YOU. AND THANKS FOR THE STUDY. I'M GOING BACK TO THE GATE SITUATION AGAIN. [20:48] Tiffani Navratil: YES. [20:48] Commissioner Baxley: IN THIS SITUATION, THE ONE YOU'RE PRESENTING ON THE PROPOSED SOLUTION, A TWO-FOLD GATE THAT COULD BE FOLDED AGAINST. [21:17] Tiffani Navratil: DOING LIKE A DOUBLE LIKE THIS? [21:17] Commissioner Baxley: YEAH, FULL BACK AGAINST -- IT WOULD SWING OUT, BUT IT WOULD FACE GRANT, AND SO THE ISSUE IS I THINK FOR MEI-LING THAT THE CITY WON'T ALLOW A GATE FACING A STREET. IS THAT IT? [21:17] Mei-Ling Smith: I BELIEVE THE ISSUE WAS PUBLIC WORKS WOULDN'T ALLOW THAT ENCROACHMENT TO SWING OUT INTO THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY AND SIDEWALK. [21:43] Commissioner Baxley: TO HAVE IT OPEN WHEN I'M GOING TO GET GARBAGE OUT, PUBLIC WORKS DOESN'T ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN? [21:43] Mei-Ling Smith: CORRECT. THAT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING. THAT IT WOULD BE A TEMPORARY ENCROACHMENT AS THE DOOR IS SWUNG OPEN AND THAT WOULD BE UNACCEPTABLE BECAUSE IT'S BLOCKING THE PRIMARY CIRCULATION PATH ON PUBLIC PROPERTY. [22:02] Commissioner Baxley: ALSO IS THE TRUCK IF IT PULLS UP. [22:02] Tiffani Navratil: TOUCHE. [22:02] Commissioner Baxley: I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING PUBLIC WORKS' POSITION ON THIS. ARE THEY HERE? YOU'RE NOT COLLECTING GARBAGE 24 HOURS A DAY, RIGHT? THIS IS ONCE A WEEK? [22:02] Tiffani Navratil: IT'S TWICE A WEEK. CAN YOU SEE IN THIS IMAGE THAT THE BUILDING IS SET BACK ONLY 8 FEET 7 INCHES FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. SO THERE'S A VERY LIMITED AMOUNT OF SPACE TO WORK WITH ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF BEFORE CREATING AN ENCROACHMENT. [22:34] Tiffani Navratil: THE SWINGING OF THE GATE IS PROBLEMATIC FROM A PUBLIC WORKS PERSPECTIVE AS I'VE BEEN TOLD. ALSO, IF WE HAVE A FULLY ENCLOSED FOUR-SIDED STRUCTURE, THE WAY THAT IT'S ENGINEERED BECOMES VERY, VERY CRITICAL TO MAKE SURE THAT PEDESTRIANS CAN ACTUALLY ACCESS IT. SO THE HEAVIER THE GATE, THE LESS LIKELY IT IS A PERSON CAN JUST OPEN IT AND THROW THEIR TRASH IN. [22:57] Tiffani Navratil: THAT MEANS YOU NOW HAVE TO HAVE INTERNAL CIRCULATION SPACE THAT'S AT LEAST THREE FEET WIDE, SO A PERSON CAN OPEN A SECONDARY PERSON-SIZE DOOR, GO INSIDE AND THROW THEIR TRASH IN. MAKES THE ENCLOSURE THREE FEET DEEPER THAN IT USED TO BE IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT INDIVIDUAL PERSON ACCESS DOOR, WHICH WHEN IT'S DRAWN THIS WAY STARTS TO PERMANENTLY ENCROACH INTO THE EXISTING SIDEWALK. THAT'S ILLUSTRATED ON THE LEFT-HAND IMAGE RIGHT HERE, WHERE IF YOU HAVE A PERSON DOOR ON THE BOTTOM LEFT-HAND CORNER OF THE ENCLOSURE, THAT EXTRA SPACE YOU'RE SEEING IN FRONT OF THOSE BINS IS NOW ENCROACHING ACROSS THE EXISTING SIDEWALK. [23:36] Tiffani Navratil: YOU COULD PUT A LOCK ON THE DOOR TOO. AND IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ELECTRONICALLY OPERATED. YOU COULDN'T LET ANYBODY GO IN AND OUT OF THERE AND EVERYTHING. THE LIKELIHOOD OF THE STRUCTURE BEING DAMAGED AND THEN INOPERABLE AND THEN CREATING IT SO THE TRASH HAULER CANNOT ACCESS THOSE BINS AT ALL BECOMES MUCH MORE LIKELY IF THE STRUCTURE BECOMES DAMAGED. SO THE MORE MOVING PARTS THERE ARE, THE MORE LIKELY IT IS TO BECOME AN ISSUE LONG TERM. [24:05] Tiffani Navratil: OUR PROPOSAL IS TO ENCLOSE IT FROM THREE SIDES, ACKNOWLEDGING THE FACT THAT IT IS AN IMPERFECT SOLUTION BUT ONE THAT IS A DRAMATIC IMPROVEMENT UPON ITS EXISTING CONDITION WHICH HAS BEEN THE CONDITION FOR DECADES AND HAS NO REAL IMPACT ON THE ELEVATED SERVICE THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS. [24:31] Alyssa Olson: ARE YOU GOOD? [24:31] Commissioner Baxley: I'M NOT GOOD. [24:31] Alyssa Olson: COMMISSIONER KOSKI? [24:31] Commissioner Koski: THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. JUST TO PILE ON HERE TO THE VICE CHAIR'S QUESTION, IS THERE ANYBODY FROM PUBLIC WORKS OR MAYBE EVEN CPED COULD HELP US UNDERSTAND IF WE HAVE THIS TYPE OF ENCROACHMENT IN OTHER BUILDINGS IN OTHER AREAS ACROSS THE CITY RIGHT NOW? WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WHAT WE'RE HEARING IS THAT TWICE A WEEK THIS DOOR WILL SWING OPEN, THE GARBAGE TRUCKS COME, THEY LEAVE. DO WE HAVE THE SAME SCENARIO ACROSS THE CITY AT OTHER BUILDINGS? [25:16] Mei-Ling Smith: CHAIR OLSON AND COMMISSIONER KOSKI, I CAN'T SPEAK TO OTHER PROPERTIES, BUT IT'S NOT ALLOWED BY CITY ORDINANCE TO HAVE OUT-SWINGING DOORS ACROSS PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY. JUST TO CLARIFY, I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO OVERRIDE PUBLIC WORKS ON THAT ASPECT OF IT. IT WOULD JUST BE WHETHER YOU ALLOW TO HAVE REDUCED SCREENING IN THIS LOCATION IF THEY WANT TO PLACE THE BINS RIGHT HERE. YOU COULD ALSO LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS LIKE OTHER LOCATIONS, FOR INSTANCE, ON THE SITE, BUT IT'S JUST NOT ALLOWED BY CITY ORDINANCE TO HAVE THE OUT-SWINGING DOORS ACROSS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. [26:19] Commissioner Baxley: AND THE ABILITY TO MOVE THAT BIN, DETERMINED SWING INTO THE PUBLIC WAY, HALF IN THIS, SO THE OPENING TO MOVE IT BACK, THAT DIMENSION YOU SLIDE EVERYTHING TO THE RIGHT, CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE? IS THERE A DOORWAY THERE OR SOMETHING ON THE BUILDING? [26:37] Tiffani Navratil: TO PLAN RIGHT ON THE -- YES. SO THERE IS THAT EXISTING LIGHT POLE THAT I HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IF WE LEAVE IT ALONE THAT WOULD BE THE PREFERRED SCENARIO IF WE HAVE TO IMPACT IT AND MOVE IT THAT'S STARTING TO INCREASE THE COST OF THE PROJECT DRAMATICALLY. WHAT YOU'RE SEEING BETWEEN THE TWO SIDES OF THE BUILDING IS A NECESSARY EGRESS COURTYARD. SO TO SCOOT IT FURTHER TO THE RIGHT SO IT STARTS TO CREATE A LIMITATION, IT'S ACTUALLY NOT ONE OF THE SCENARIOS I ILLUSTRATED HERE, BUT I ILLUSTRATED IT IN YOUR PACKET, EXHIBIT H AND L205. IF YOU HAVE THAT AVAILABLE IN FRONT OF YOU. I WAS TRYING TO CREATE AN ABRIDGED VERSION FOR YOU HERE. [27:24] Commissioner Baxley: THAT ONE YOU'VE GOT THREE BINS. [27:39] Tiffani Navratil: YES. SO IN THIS SCENARIO, YOU WOULD HAVE TO USE THREE 4-YARD BINS. THOSE CAN HAVE WHEELS ON THEM. THEY CAN BE ROLLED A VERY LIMITED DISTANCE. YOU HAVE TO APPROACH THE 8-CUBIC YARD BIN HEAD ON. IT CANNOT BE WHEELED. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THIS SCENARIO RIGHT HERE, IS THE BIG ONE ON THE LEFT DOES NOT HAVE WHEELS, AND THE TRUCK CAN DRIVE RIGHT UP TO IT. IT WOULD BACK UP, REPOSITION ITSELF EVER SO SLIGHTLY TO BE FACING THE ALLEY, AND THEN THE RIGHT-HAND BIN WOULD BE ROLLED OFF TO THE SIDE AND PUSHED TOWARD THE TRUCK TEN FEET AND FLIPPED UP OVER THE TOP. TO DO WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IN EXHIBIT H, THE TRUCK WOULD HAVE TO STOP RIGHT WHERE IT'S SHOWN BEFORE IT HITS THAT EXISTING UTILITY POLE. [28:20] Commissioner Baxley: IT JUST APPEARS PER YOUR DRAWING HERE THAT THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM BETWEEN THE POLE AND THE BUILDING. [28:20] Tiffani Navratil: SO A SCENARIO LIKE THIS WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE EVEN A DOUBLE SWINGING GATE BECAUSE IT WOULD HIT THE OTHER BUILDING BEFORE IT OPENED ALL THE WAY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ALLEY. IT'S NOT IN THIS DECK, UNFORTUNATELY. IT'S IN THE ORIGINAL EXHIBITS THAT ARE POSTED TO THE PROJECT. IN ORDER TO DRAW THIS -- CAN YOU GUYS SEE MY CURSOR HERE? THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SLIDING GATE ACROSS ALL THREE OF THEM. THE ENCLOSURE WOULD COVER UP THE COURTYARD ABOUT HALFWAY ACROSS, AND THEN BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE A SLIDING GATE THAT A REGULAR PERSON WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO JUST OPEN UP AND THROW THEIR TRASH AWAY, IT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL PERSON ACCESS DOOR, AND THE FRONT OF THE ENCLOSURE WOULD COME OUT INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE ALLEY AN ADDITIONAL THREE AND A HALF FEET OR SO. SO IT WOULD MAKE THE ALLEYWAY UNNAVIGABLE FOR ALL VEHICLES. IT WOULD BECOME AN EGRESS ISSUE COURTYARD. THE TRUCK CAN'T GO PAST THIS. AND IF YOU PUT PART OF THE BINS OVER HERE, THAT'S TOO LONG OF A DISTANCE TO ROLL OUT AND THEN TOWARD THE TRUCK. [29:37] Commissioner Baxley: I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT, BUT IF WE KEEP WITH THE 8 AND THE 4 AND WE SLIDE IT TO THE RIGHT, DOWNTOWN NEIGHBORHOOD WE HAVE ENOUGH SPACE BETWEEN THE POLE AND THE BUILDING TO ACCOMMODATE THE 8-YARD BIN? [30:10] Tiffani Navratil: THERE'S A GUIDEWIRE HERE -- I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. THERE'S A GUIDEWIRE HERE TACKING THIS EXISTING ONE SO IT DOESN'T FALL OVER. THIS IS ABOUT AS FAR AS WE CAN MAKE PERMANENT STRUCTURES WITHOUT IMPACTING THE STRUCTURE ABILITY TO THIS POLE. [30:10] Commissioner Baxley: THE GUIDE HAS TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION. [30:25] Tiffani Navratil: YEAH, BECAUSE THE OVERHEAD POWER LINES ARE PULLING IT TO THE RIGHT, SO THE GUIDEWIRE IS TRYING TO COUNTER ACT THOSE FORCES AND PULL IT BACK TO THE LEFT. [30:25] Commissioner Baxley: AND WE'VE TALKED TO THE UTILITY ABOUT OTHER OPTIONS AROUND THAT GUIDE? [30:25] Tiffani Navratil: THE UTILITY COMPANY IS A CHALLENGE TO COLLABORATE WITH. IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO PURSUE IF NECESSARY HOWEVER, OUR CONSTRUCTION COLLEAGUES ARE JUST TRYING TO GIVE US AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT THAT COST WOULD BE TO START MOVING UTILITY POLES, LET ALONE THE ACTUAL PRACTICAL COOPERATION NECESSARY IN ORDER TO GET IT APPROVED. WE'RE IN THE $150,000 RANGE OF FUNDS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DIVERTED FROM COMMUNITY SUPPORT PROGRAMMING. [31:08] Alyssa Olson: COMMISSIONER MEYER? [31:08] Commissioner Meyer: MEI-LING, CAN YOU EXPAND ON THE RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU MADE FOR DENIAL, SPECIFICALLY ON FOR THE FIRST FINDINGS? YOU WROTE: GIVEN THE LARGE SIZE OF THE SITE AND SURFACE PARKING AREA THERE ARE OTHER APPLICATIONS AVAILABLE TO THE APPLICANT AND WAYS TO MEET THEIR NEEDS WITHOUT REQUIREMENTS STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY. CAN YOU EXPAND ON WHAT THE ALTERNATIVE WAYS WOULD BE? [31:38] Mei-Ling Smith: YEP. COMMISSIONER MEYER, WE BELIEVE THAT THERE IS AMPLE SPACE IN THE PARKING LOT AND THAT THAT HASN'T -- THERE WOULD BE MAYBE PARKING SPACES THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO AWAY IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE MANEUVERING, BUT THERE IS SUFFICIENT SPACE ON THE SITE TO ACCOMMODATE THIS NEED. [32:03] Commissioner Meyer: AND WOULD THAT BE ABLE TO BE LOCATED -- SO THE APPLICANT HAD SAID THAT THAT CAN COMPETE WITH ADA ACCESSIBLE SPOTS. COULD IT BE LOCATED ELSEWHERE WITHIN THE PARKING LOT? I DON'T KNOW WHERE ON THE DIAGRAM THE ADA SPOTS ARE OR WHERE THE ALTERNATIVE LOCATIONS FOR THE GARBAGE COULD BE. [32:28] Mei-Ling Smith: WELL, THE EXERCISE IS JUST IS THERE SPACE FOR TRASH ENCLOSURE ON THE SITE AND CAN IT BE FULLY SCREENED. OUR FINDING IS JUST TO BE CONSISTENT WITH OUR FEBRUARY RECOMMENDATION TO EXPLORE THE OPTIONS IN THE ON SITE PARKING AREA. WE HAVEN'T COME UP WITH A DESIGN TO ACCOMMODATE THAT, BUT WE ENCOURAGE APPLICANTS TO PROVIDE SITE DESIGNS FOR US TO REACT TO WE FEEL THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BEST PLACE FOR IT. [32:58] Alyssa Olson: THANK YOU. I'M NOT SEEING ANY MORE COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS, SO THANK YOU. [33:20] Tiffani Navratil: I CAN SAY I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH WHAT MEI-LING JUST SAID. THERE IS PLENTY OF SPACE IN THIS PARKING LOT FOR THE TRASH ENCLOSURE. IT'S NOT AN ISSUE OF SPACE. THE IMAGE ON THE LEFT HERE IS ONE EXAMPLE OF WHERE IT COULD BE LOCATED WHERE THERE'S PLENTY OF SPACE FOR IT BUT THE TRUCK CAN'T SAFELY GET TO IT. THE OTHER EXAMPLE ON THE RIGHT, PLENTY OF SPACE FOR IT, BUT IT STARTS TO IMPACT THE SPIRIT OF THE CODE OF ADA ACCESSIBILITY REQUIREMENTS AS WELL AS THE LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE ALONG PORTLAND. SO PLENTY OF SPACE. VERY CHALLENGING ACCESS ISSUES. [33:42] Alyssa Olson: THANK YOU. I'M NOT SEEING ANY MORE COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS, SO WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? IF SO, COME FORWARD TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND NEIGHBORHOOD AND PROCEED WITH YOUR COMMENTS. YOU'LL HAVE TWO MINUTES. I'M NOT SEEING ANYONE, SO I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL? [34:08] Commissioner Campbell: SO I'LL START BY SAYING THAT I THINK THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT SERVICE TO PROVIDE OUR COMMUNITY. I THINK RS EDEN HAS DONE AN AMAZING WORK FOR PROVIDING HOUSING FOR PEOPLE IN NEED, AND I THINK THIS IS A PROJECT THAT IS WORTHY OF ADDITIONAL EYES BUT ONE THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER IN THE VEIN OF IT BEING A VALUED SERVICE OF NEED FOR THOSE IN OUR COMMUNITY. [34:47] Commissioner Campbell: SECONDLY, I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT I THINK THIS IS KIND OF ONE OF THOSE PERFECT EXAMPLES OF GOVERNMENT COMING IN CONFLICT WITH ITSELF, AND THAT CAN HAPPEN FROM TIME TO TIME, AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO APPLY WHAT I LIKE TO CALL A HUMAN LENS TO WHAT WE ARE WORKING THROUGH AND DOES THIS PASS THE HUMAN LENS TEST. TO ME, THIS DENIAL OF THE VARIANCE DOES NOT PASS THAT TESTING. IT'S MY BELIEF THAT PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES DO EXIST ON THIS SITE, THAT THE CORRIDOR ACCESS ISSUES ON PORTLAND IS A PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY THAT EXISTS, THAT THE EXISTING CITY CODE BEING IN CONFLICT WITH ITSELF, I THINK SPECIFICALLY OF THE PUBLIC WORKS ENCROACHMENT ISSUE AS WELL AS THE SQUEEZING OUT OF THE ADA COMPLIANT PARKING STALLS AND MAKING AN ACCESSIBLE CITY FOR ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS. [35:41] Commissioner Campbell: I THINK THAT IN THE SPIRIT OF THE COMP PLAN THIS IS A DRAMATIC IMPROVEMENT FROM THE PRIOR CONDITION AND PROVIDES MUCH NEEDED HOUSING IN LINE WITH BOTH NUMBER 6 OF THE MINNEAPOLIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHICH IS HIGH QUALITY PHYSICAL ENVIRONMENT, SAYING THIS IS A DRAMATIC IMPROVEMENT FROM WHAT WE HAVE SEEN BEFORE, AND IN LINE WITH GOAL NUMBER 3 WHICH IS AFFORDABLE AND ACCESSIBLE HOUSING FROM PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY. I'D ADD I THINK THIS IS ALSO IN LINE WITH POLICY 85 WHICH IS ACCESS IN HEALTH FOR SOCIAL EMERGENCY SERVICES, IN ADDITION TO POLICY NUMBER 5, WHICH IS VISUAL QUALITY OF NEW DEVELOPMENT MENTIONING THAT THIS IS A DRAMATIC IMPROVEMENT. I WOULD MOVE WITH THOSE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES IN MIND AND THE POLICIES IDENTIFIED IN MINNEAPOLIS 2040 TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE REQUEST FOR THE APPLICANT. [36:33] Alyssa Olson: COMMISSIONER BAXLEY? [36:33] Commissioner Baxley: JUST BECAUSE I DON'T AGREE WITH EVERYTHING MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER SAID, I'D LIKE IT TRY TO FIGURE THIS OUT. THE ONLY ISSUE WITH THE PARKING ON THE LIGHT ON WHERE THE ADA ACCESSIBLE STALLS ARE, THE CLIENT HAS AGREED THAT THAT WORKS GREAT THERE. IT'S ACTUALLY ONLY THE ISSUE OF ACCESSIBILITY, BECAUSE THOSE SPOTS MIGHT HAVE TO MOVE. IS THAT CORRECT? [37:06] Tiffani Navratil: PARTIALLY CORRECT. SO ONE OF THE ISSUES HERE ON THE RIGHT-HAND IMAGE IS, YES, THE ADA STALLS WOULD HAVE TO MOVE FURTHER AWAY FROM THE FRONT DOOR. ALSO WE'RE PLACING THE SMELLIEST PIECE OF THIS SITE RIGHT UP FRONT NEXT TO THE FRONT DOOR AND ALONG THE HIGH-TRAFFIC CORRIDOR WHERE THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEDESTRIANS WILL BE WALKING PAST. SO IT'S NOT JUST AN ACCESSIBILITY ISSUE. IT'S ALSO EVERYBODY WALKING PAST THE BUILDING WILL BE EXPERIENCING THE TRASH BINS UP CLOSE AND PERSONALLY. [37:52] Commissioner Baxley: TRUE. I'M SURE IT WOULD BE A BEAUTIFUL ENCLOSURE. PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE THREE BINS. [38:23] Tiffani Navratil: NO. IT WOULD BE THREE IN THAT LOCATION BECAUSE THE TRUCK WILL BE ABLE TO PULL RIGHT NEWSPAPER FRONT OF IT. WE'LL HAVE TO WHEEL THEM OFF TO THE SIDE AND TOWARD THE TRUCK. [38:39] Alyssa Olson: THANK YOU. [38:39] Commissioner Meyer: WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION. COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL'S MOTION ADDRESSES ITEM B, SO MY QUESTION FOR STAFF IS IF WE WANT TO APPROVE ITEM B AND THEN FOR ITEM A WOULD THE RECOMMENDATION THEN BE TO APPROVE ITEM A BUT STRIKE CONDITION 8? OR WOULD IT BE A MODIFICATION OF CONDITION 8? OR WHAT IS THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IF WE WANT TO ADOPT COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL'S MOTION FOR ITEM B? [39:24] Mei-Ling Smith: THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S WHY I PUT MY CARD UP AS WE WOULD NEED TO STRIKE THAT CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT'S ASKING THEM TO COMPLY WITH THE REFUSE REQUIREMENTS IF WE WANT TO ALSO APPROVE THE VARIANCE. [39:41] Commissioner Campbell: I THINK WITH THE CONDITIONS LAID OUT BY THE APPLICANT, WITH THE THREE-WALLED ENCLOSURE AS CURRENTLY PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION TODAY. [40:09] Kimberly Holien: CAN I CLARIFY? AS I'M LOOKING AT THE AGENDA I'M NOT SEEING A CONDITION NUMBER 8. [40:28] Mei-Ling Smith: THROUGH THE CHAIR, I BELIEVE THAT'S MY FAULT WITH THE PRINTING. THE FORMATTING ISSUE THAT WE FREQUENTLY HAVE TRANSPOSING FROM LIMS RESULTS IN SOME VERY STRANGE NUMBERING. APOLOGIES. [40:44] Commissioner Campbell: IN OUR PAPER, IT STARTS WITH NUMBER 4 AND GOES TO 10. SO THE ONE THAT I AM PROPOSING TO STRIKE IS THE ONE THAT SAYS THE FINAL SITE PLAN SHALL BE REVISED TO INCLUDE A TRASH ENCLOSURE, ET CETERA, STRIKING THAT ONE. [40:59] Kimberly Holien: YES. IT'S CONDITION 5 IN LIMS. I THINK THE FACT THAT YOU READ IT ON THE RECORD COVERS ALL OF OUR BASES AND WE KNOW EXACTLY WHICH CONDITION YOU'RE REFERRING TO. THAT WORKS. [40:59] Alyssa Olson: ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, OR WOULD WE LIKE TO HAVE THE CLERK CALL THE ROLL? COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL, COULD YOU SAY IT ONE MORE TIME FOR ALL OF US? [41:21] Commissioner Campbell: I MOVE TO REJECT STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVE THE VARIANCE OF THE REFUSE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS PRESENTED TODAY TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION BY THE APPLICANT. [41:49] Alyssa Olson: ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, I'LL ASK THE CLERK TO PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. [41:49] Casey Carl: COMMISSIONER ALPER. [42:05] Commissioner Alper: AYE. [42:05] Casey Carl: COMMISSIONER BAXLEY. [42:05] Commissioner Baxley: AYE. [42:05] Casey Carl: COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL. [42:05] Commissioner Campbell: AYE. [42:05] Casey Carl: COMMISSIONER KOSKI. [42:05] Commissioner Koski: AYE. [42:05] Casey Carl: COMMISSIONER MARWAH. [42:05] Commissioner Marwah: AYE. [42:05] Casey Carl: COMMISSIONER MEYER. [42:05] Commissioner Meyer: AYE. [42:21] Casey Carl: OLSON. [42:21] Alyssa Olson: AYE. THAT'S EIGHT YEAS AND ZERO NAYS. THAT MOTION PASSES. OUR FINAL ITEM THIS EVENING IS ITEM NUMBER 6. AND STAFF IS AARON HANAUER. [42:52] Aaron Hanauer: GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. THE PROJECT AT 2800 27TH AVENUE SOUTH IS A NEW FOUR-STORY, L-SHAPED BUILDING. IT'S A NEW FOUR-STORY, L-SHAPED BUILDING THAT WOULD BE AN EMERGENCY SHELTER AS WELL AS HAVING SINGLE ROOM OCCUPANCY UNITS AND RESIDENTIAL UNITS. [43:58] Aaron Hanauer: THE SUBJECT SITE HERE IS THE LOTS IN BLUE ZONED I1 ALONG WITH THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. JUST A BLOCK OR TWO EAST OF THE CUB FOODS AND TARGET ALONG EAST LAKE STREET. THAT PROPOSAL AGAIN AN EMERGENCY SHELTER WITH 54 BEDS, 22 SINGLE ROOM OCCUPANCY UNITS AND 23 RESIDENTIAL UNITS. THE PROPOSAL IS TO HAVE THE 11 SPACE SERVICE PARKING LOT AND EXTERIOR MATERIALS BEING THE BRICK, METAL PANEL AND CEMENT BOARD. [44:36] Aaron Hanauer: THE APPLICATIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR THE PROJECT, TWO CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS TO ALLOW FOR THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND ALLOW FOR EMERGENCY SHELTER, A VARIANCE TO APPROVE THE FRONT YARD SETBACK ALONG THE SOUTH PROPERTY FOR THE FIRST 25 FEET. THERE IS THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENTIAL BUILDING TO THE SOUTH THAT IS SET BACK 19 FEET FROM 27TH AVENUE. THEREFORE, THE SETBACK WOULD -- TO GO TO ZERO FEET FOR THE FIRST 25 FEET OF THAT SHARED INTERIOR PROPERTY LINE. [45:12] Aaron Hanauer: AND THEN SITE PLAN REVIEW. THOSE ARE THE FOUR APPLICATIONS. JUST TO TOUCH ON THE VARIANCE, FOR THE FRONT YARD SETBACK, SINCE THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT TO YOU AT THE OF THE WHOLE MEETING, STAFF FOUND THERE WERE ISSUES THAT EXIST WITH THESE ZONED INDUSTRIAL AND THAT TYPICALLY NOT HAVING A FRONT YARD SETBACK SUCH AS 15 OR 19 FEET DEEP. AND THAT THIS SETBACK DUE TO THE HOUSE TO THE SOUTH IS DEEPER THAN TYPICAL FRONT YARD SETBACK FOR INDUSTRIAL USE ZONED PROPERTY. IN ADDITION THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES WITHIN THE SETBACK AREN'T THE -- OVERLAY DISTRICT WE WANT TO SEE CLOSER TO THE STREET. [46:14] Aaron Hanauer: I ALSO NOTE THAT HISTORICALLY THERE'S BEEN A RESTAURANT AT THIS INTERSECTION, AT THIS CORNER, AND IT'S TYPICAL AND COMMON TO SEE BUILDINGS AT THAT CORNER AND THEN THE INTERIOR BUILDING SETBACK A LITTLE BIT MORE. FOR THESE REASONS, STAFF WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THAT VARIANCE REQUEST. I PROVIDED A CORRECTION MEMO JUST NOTING THE TYPO THAT I NOTED THAT THE ENTITLEMENTS WERE MEANT TO BE GOOD THROUGH MAY 22, 2025 AND NOT 2023. I KNOW THERE'S A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO, BUT I'M HAPPY TO CONCLUDE THE PRESENTATION THERE AND COME BACK IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THE PROJECT. [46:49] Alyssa Olson: THANK YOU, AARON. COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO? OKAY THANK YOU. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. IS THE APPLICANT HERE, AND DO THEY WANT TO COME FORWARD? [47:09] Kyle Hanson: GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. I'M KYLE HANSON, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AT AGATE HOUSING AND SERVICES. WE ARE REALLY EXCITED TO BE BRINGING THIS PROJECT TO YOU TODAY. IT'S TAKEN A FEW YEARS FOR US TO PULL TOGETHER FINANCING FOR A SHELTER PROJECT OF THIS SIZE AND FOR THE HOUSING COMPONENT. [47:42] Kyle Hanson: AS YOU KNOW, OUR CITY CONTINUES TO STRUGGLE WITH ENCAMPMENTS, IN FINDING SAFE SHELTER ESPECIALLY DURING THE COLD WINTER MONTHS FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING OUTSIDE. SO THIS PROJECT IS AN IMPORTANT STEP IN THAT DIRECTION. WE SEE THIS AS A REALLY FANTASTIC WAY TO REVITALIZE A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS BEEN UNDER SO MUCH STRESS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, AND WE ARE THINKING ALSO GREAT BECAUSE PROXIMITY TO TRANSIT, CLOSE TO AFFORDABLE SHOPPING, OTHER SERVICES IN THE AREA, CONNECTIONS TO THE LIBRARY VERY CLOSE BY AND OTHER PIECES. [48:25] Kyle Hanson: SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT IT AND WOULD BE HAPPY TO ACCEPT ANY QUESTIONS FROM YOU AT THIS TIME. [48:25] Alyssa Olson: THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I'M NOT SEEING ANY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE REST OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE RECORD, AND YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES. [48:40] David Kaniff: I AM DAVID KANIFF OF 2840 27TH AVENUE SOUTH. I LIVED IN MINNEAPOLIS -- I MEAN AT THIS LOCATION FOR 35 YEARS, AND THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAS HAD TO SUFFER THROUGH THE GEORGE FLOYD RIOTS. I HAD TO SAVE MY HOUSE FROM BEING BURNED DOWN WITH MY GARDEN HOSE. AND MANY NEIGHBORS HAVE ALREADY LEFT THE AREA HERE. THIS AREA ALREADY HAS MANY, MANY EMPTY LOTS. AND THE REPUTATION OF THIS AREA IS VERY POOR RIGHT NOW. AND PUTTING THIS TYPE OF A DEVELOPMENT IN THERE WILL GREATLY HINDER ANY BUILDING IN THIS AREA. [49:33] David Kaniff: WE HAVE A REPUTATION FOR THIS AREA HERE, COULD BE MADE LIKE IT WAS BEFORE, MADE WHOLE AGAIN, INSTEAD OF PUTTING THIS TYPE OF HOUSING IN THIS AREA WITH ALL THESE CODE VARIANCES AND ALL THIS THERE, IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG DETRIMENT TO ANY FURTHER DEVELOPMENT AROUND THIS AREA. MY NEIGHBORS ALREADY HAD TO SUFFER THROUGH HOMELESS PEOPLE LIVING RIGHT IN THE SAME SPOT HERE THROUGH THE WHOLE WINTER, AND SOME OF THEM ARE HERE. THERE'S MANY CHILDREN ON THIS BLOCK. THERE'S MANY CHILDREN. [50:16] David Kaniff: THERE'S THREE PRESCHOOL CHILDREN IN MY HOUSE. THERE IS -- I TOOK A PICTURE BEFORE I CAME HERE. THERE'S FOUR OR FIVE CHILDREN IN THE LOT ACROSS, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THERE. THERE'S THREE CHILDREN RIGHT THERE THAT ARE RIGHT THERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE. AND I WORRY ABOUT THEIR SAFETY. I WORRY VERY MUCH ABOUT THEIR SAFETY. IT'S A BAD IDEA. I THINK IT SHOULD BE PUT IN A SPOT THAT HAS LESS OTHER TYPES OF HOUSING, ESPECIALLY YOUNG FAMILIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT THERE. [50:59] Alyssa Olson: THANK YOU. WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS PLEASE. [50:59] David Kaniff: I ONLY HAVE THIS MUCH TIME? [50:59] Alyssa Olson: YES. [50:59] David Kaniff: I COULD KEEP GOING ON, BUT -- [51:17] Alyssa Olson: THANK YOU. [51:17] David Kaniff: -- I BELIEVE THAT I HAVE MY NEIGHBORS HERE. THIS AREA COULD BE MORE LIKE UPTOWN IF YOU WANTED IT TO BE. IF YOU WANT TO PUT A TORPEDO IN IT, DO THIS. [51:17] Jared Shode: MY NAME IS JARED SHODE, OWNER OF 2814, 2816 27TH AVENUE SOUTH. NOW, I HAD SOME REALLY GOOD TENANTS ON THE FIRST FLOOR. THEY ACTUALLY MOVED BECAUSE OF THIS GOING ON. NOT THAT I'M AGAINST IT A HUNDRED PERCENT. THIS COULD BE A GREAT THING. THE PROBLEM WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW, IT'S A TOTAL MESS, BECOME A DUMP YARD NOW. NOW, PROMISE THAT THE DUMPSTER WAS GOING TO COME IN THERE, CLEAN IT UP. NOTHING HAS HAPPENED. STILL EXACTLY THE SAME. SO THE TRUST GETS STABBED A LITTLE BIT WHEN SOMEBODY TELLS YOU THEY'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING AND THEY DON'T DO IT. [52:01] Jared Shode: FOOL ME ONCE, SHAME ON ME. FOOL ME TWICE, SHAME ON ME. THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY IS THERE HAS TO BE SOME TRUST BUILT UP HERE. IF THAT DOESN'T COME, THIS WILL NEVER MAKE IT. IT WILL NOT MAKE IT. JUST LIKE THE GENTLEMAN WAS SAYING, THERE'S EIGHT OR NINE YOUNG SMALL GIRLS AT THE CORNER RIGHT BY THE LOT. THEY SAY HI EVERY DAY WHEN WE GO BY, THEY CALL US BY NAME. IT'S A GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT AGAIN, THERE HAS TO BE SOME TRUST. BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK IF WE DON'T GET SOMETHING GOING ON. I EVEN TOOK PICTURES OF PILES OF NEEDLES OVER THERE YES, IT'S BAD. LAST NIGHT WE HAD A NEW TENANT MOVE IN OVER THERE, SO I WENT TO CONFRONT HIM AND ASK WHAT HE'S DOING THERE. AND HE TOLD ME TO MIND MY OWN FING BUSINESS. I'VE OWNED MY HOUSE FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS. I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT, BUT I'M SCARED TO PUT A RENTER IN AGAIN NOW BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. SO WHERE DO YOU START FROM HERE? WE JUST BITE OUR LIP AND SAY OKAY? EVERYBODY HAS TO STAND UP AND SAY SOMETHING. AND I KNOW THESE GENTLEMEN BACK HERE PROBABLY WANT TO SAY SOMETHING BECAUSE THEY'RE RIGHT ACROSS THE ALLEY FROM ME. I'LL LET THEM TAKE A COUPLE SEABEDS. [53:19] Alyssa Olson: THANK YOU. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD, YOU CAN DO SO NOW. [53:19] Jared Shode: I'LL SPEAK FOR THEM BECAUSE THEIR ENGLISH IS BROKEN. THEY WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THEY HAVE THEIR CHILDREN RIGHT ACROSS THAT LOT, AND WE WATCH PICKUP TRUCKS COME IN AND DUMP STUFF EVERY NIGHT. THEY HAVE CAMERAS THERE. [53:42] Alyssa Olson: SPEAK FOR YOU? [53:42] Jared Shode: THEY WANT ME TO SPEAK FOR THEM. [53:42] Alyssa Olson: YOU'VE ALREADY SPOKEN. IS THERE ANYONE WHO HASN'T SPOKEN WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME TO THE PODIUM. IS THERE ANYBODY HERE WHO CAN TRANSLATE SPANISH? [54:00] Alyssa Olson: SO THAT IS A SERVICE, BUT WE NEED ADVANCE NOTICE, UNLESS SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO VOLUNTEER. WOULD YOU LIKE TO, COMMISSIONER ALPER? COMMISSIONER ALPER WOULD TRANSLATE FOR YOU IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO. [54:51] Public Speaker: [IN SPANISH] [54:51] Commissioner Alper: HE'S LIVED THERE FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS MORE OR LESS. WE LIKE TO LIVE THERE. WE DON'T WANT TO MOVE. WE HAVE KIDS WHO'VE ALREADY ADAPTED TO SCHOOLS IN THE AREA. WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE NEW PROJECT THAT'S COMING IN HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE KIDS. AND BECAUSE OUR NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE NEXT DOOR ALSO HAVE KIDS. WE'RE WORRIED THAT THERE COULD BE PROBLEMS. AND WE DON'T WANT TO BE CALLING 911 EVERY DAY. RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE KIND OF A COMMUNITY WITH OUR NEIGHBORS. WE TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER AT NIGHT. WE THINK THAT WITH THIS PROJECT IT'S GOING TO BE MORE DIFFICULT. RIGHT NOW WE'RE LIVING IN PEACE IN THIS AREA. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANKS. [56:39] Alyssa Olson: THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM BEFORE I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM. COMMISSIONERS, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER CONLEY. [56:55] Commissioner Conley: THANK YOU. I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, NOW THAT WE'VE HEARD SOME COMMENTS. SO THERE'S SOME TRUTH TO THE FACT THAT TRUST IS REALLY IMPORTANT IN THIS COMMUNITY. ESPECIALLY THIS PART OF SOUTH MINNEAPOLIS. SO I ALWAYS WONDER SOMETIMES HOW DEVELOPERS COME TO COMMUNITY WITH PROJECT IDEAS BEFORE THEY COME TO A PLANNING COMMISSION OR VISIT ME TO TALK ABOUT. I KNOW THAT AGATE HAS A REALLY STRONG HISTORY OF HOUSING PEOPLE. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT HOW YOU'RE ESTABLISHING TRUST IN THE COMMUNITY? BECAUSE YOU AND I KNOW THAT THIS TYPE OF HOUSING ACTUALLY REDUCES CRIME, IT MAKES NEIGHBORHOODS SAFER, INCREASES PROPERTY VALUES, IT'S SAFE FOR KIDS. BUT YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN THAT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TALK ABOUT HOW THAT WORKS. SO HAVE THERE BEEN NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS? HAVE THERE BEEN FLYERS SENT AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD? TALK TO ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW YOU'VE ENGAGED WITH THE RESIDENTS, PLEASE. [57:52] Kyle Hanson: CERTAINLY. CHAIR OLSON, COMMISSIONER CONLEY. WE DID WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP TO DO ENGAGEMENT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS WE HELD TWO NEIGHBORHOOD FEEDBACK SESSIONS THAT WERE PRETTY WELL ATTENDED. WE HELD ONE ON ZOOM FOR PEOPLE FOR CONVENIENCE. WE HELD ONE IN PERSON IN THE AREA AND TRIED TO HOST AND FIELD QUESTIONS. WE DID SEND OUT INFORMATIONAL FLYERS TO THE WHOLE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. WE DID A MAILING OF THEM. AND DID ENGAGE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP TO DO THAT. WE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY IN JANUARY. EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS, WE DID HAVE A SMALL ENCAMPMENT THAT WAS THERE, AND WE WORKED DILIGENTLY EVERY SINGLE DAY WITH OUR STREET OUTREACH TEAM, AND WE DID MANAGE TO FIND AND CLEAR THE ENCAMPMENT ON OUR OWN WITHOUT ANY INTERVENTION. WE FOUND HOUSING FOR THE MAJORITY OF FOLKS AND MOVED THEM ON. [59:06] Kyle Hanson: WE HAVE SECURED THE AREA NOW WITH A FENCE AND ARE IN THE PROCESS OF THE POST-WINTER CLEANUP AND EVERYTHING. I CERTAINLY WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO SOME MORE DEEPER ENGAGEMENT WITH TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. WE DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE -- THEY SPOKE OF NEEDLES IN THE ALLEY AND THOSE THINGS. OUR FEELING IS THAT BY HAVING A 24-HOUR PRESENCE THERE THAT WE CAN PREVENT SOME OF THOSE ISSUES FROM HAPPENING THAT ARE GOING ON NOW WITHOUT A PRESENCE OF A BUILDING THERE. WE WILL HAVE 24-HOUR STAFF ON SITE FOR BOTH COMPONENTS OF THE HOUSING PORTION AND IN THE SHELTER PORTION WE HAVE A FRONT-DESK PERSON THAT WILL BE THERE SCREENING. [59:49] Kyle Hanson: THE SPACE ITSELF WAS REALLY DESIGNED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN MIND. WE PUT THE SOCIAL AREA BACK TOWARD THE BACK OF THE BUILDING. WE PROVIDED SOME ENTRANCE AREAS AND BENCHES AND THINGS TO HANG OUT IN THE FRONT AREA BUT SMALLER AREA TO CONGREGATE OUT FRONT TO TRY TO KEEP SOME OF THAT IN A SPACE THAT WAS DESIGNED FOR THAT. THERE WILL BE LANDSCAPED AREAS, GREEN SPACE BEHIND THERE, SO WE REALLY TRIED TO ADDRESS THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS AND ISSUES. BUT I'M HAPPY TO REACH BACK OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AGAIN TO DO DEEPER ENGAGEMENT AS WE MOVE FORWARD. [1:00:27] Commissioner Conley: I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT. IF I MAY, JUST A FOLLOW-UP, THAT IT MAY BE SINGLE-ROOM OCCUPANCY IS RELATIVELY NEW, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS HAS EMBRACED, SOMETHING THAT HENNEPIN COUNTY HAS EMBRACED. THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING, WHO -- RIGHT? WHO HAVE HOUSING THAT IS AFFORDABLE TO THEM BASED ON THEIR INCOME. I THINK THAT'S A MISCONCEPTION THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T PUT TOGETHER. I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE WAY THAT YOU'VE ENGAGED THE NEIGHBORHOOD. LOOKING AT IT, IT CERTAINLY LOOKS OPPOSED TO WHAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW. SO MAYBE A DEEPER ENGAGEMENT AS THINGS CONTINUE TO GO UP WOULD BE NOT SUCH A BAD IDEA. [1:01:10] Kyle Hanson: CHAIR OLSON, COMMISSIONER CONLEY, IF I COULD, SO THE HOUSING UNITS REALLY ARE NOT MEANT TO BE TRANSITIONAL UNITS. THEY ARE MEANT TO BE FOLKS WHO ARE LIVING THERE AND PROVIDING SERVICES AND SUPPORT FOR THEIR LONGEVITY. THERE'S NO TIME LIMIT ON HOW LONG FOLKS CAN LIVE THERE, AND WE'RE REALLY HOPING THAT THIS CAN BE A PLACE THAT CAN BECOME COMMUNITY FOR THEM, AS WELL, AS PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. [1:01:34] Commissioner Marwah: MY QUESTION IS FOR THE APPLICANT, AS WELL. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT WHEN IT COMES TO FRUITION. IN THE INTERIM A LOT OF SITE ISSUES WHEN IT COMES TO DUMPING AND NEEDLES AND WHATNOT. WHAT ARE YOU ALL DOING CURRENTLY TO ADDRESS CURRENT SITE CONDITIONS AND WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE, AND WHAT COULD YOU GUYS MAYBE BE DOING BETTER FOR THE CURRENT NEIGHBORHOOD? [1:01:53] Michelle Perrin: I CAN SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT. MY NAME IS MICHELLE PERRIN, DIRECTOR WITH OUTREACH AND SHELTER WITH AGATE HOUSING AND SERVICES. CURRENTLY OUR STREET OUTREACH TEAM HAS BEEN MAKING REGULAR ROUNDS TO THE LOCATION AND ALSO RESPONDING TO NEIGHBOR REPORTS OF PEOPLE LIVING OR UTILIZING THAT SPACE. AND I'M HAPPY TO SHARE OUR CONTACT INFORMATION WITH ANY RESIDENTS, AND I CAN DO THAT HERE, AS WELL, SO THAT WE CAN BE MADE AWARE, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN CHANGE DAILY AND SOMETIMES MULTIPLE TIMES THROUGHOUT THE DAY. AND WE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF ADDRESSING THE ACCUMULATION OF LITTER THAT DID ACCUMULATE OVER THE WINTER WITH FOLKS THAT WERE LIVING THERE, AND SO THAT IS PROCESS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? [1:03:13] Commissioner Marwah: FENCING? DUMPSTER? IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT'S THERE, AND I KNOW HOW LONG DEVELOPMENT CAN REALLY TAKE TO BREAK GROUND. I JUST THINK SOME GOOD NEIGHBORLY -- [1:04:11] Michelle Perrin: WE WILL LOOK INTO GETTING GARBAGE RECEPTACLES ON SITE WITH OUR DEVELOPER, AND WE CAN COMMIT TO DOING ROUTINE INTENTIONAL OUTREACH TO THAT LOCATION TO CHECK ON IT, ON A ROUTINE BASIS, FOR SURE. [1:04:11] Commissioner Marwah: IS THERE SAFE -- THIS IS MAYBE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. IS THERE SOME KIND OF SAFE NEEDLE RECEPTACLE BINS THAT EXIST THAT COMMUNITIES PUT OUT NOW? I'VE HEARD THIS IS AN ISSUE IN MANY NEIGHBORHOODS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT EXISTS. [1:04:11] Aaron Hanauer: FROM A LAND USE PLANNING PERSPECTIVE I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING. UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S NOT REALLY IN OUR WHEELHOUSE. [1:04:28] Michelle Perrin: THERE WERE SOME RECEPTACLES THAT WENT UP TO DIFFERENT COMMUNITY LOCATIONS A WHILE BACK, AND I DON'T KNOW -- LIKE, WE WERE MADE AWARE OF THEM, BUT THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE CAN PLACE THERE. WE DO PROVIDE SAFE RECEPTACLES FOR FOLKS WHO NEED THEM, TO DISPOSE OF THEIR NEEDLES SAFELY. BUT AS FAR AS LIKE HAVING A RECEPTACLE ON SITE, WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK INTO THE FEASIBILITY OF THAT. [1:05:00] Commissioner Meyer: THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. SO IT'S HALF HOUSING UNITS, 23 UNITS, YOU CAN SAY THEIR PERMANENTLY, BUT 22 ARE SID THERE'S A TIME LIMIT ON THOSE, CORRECT? NO? [1:05:45] Kyle Hanson: THE TIME LIMIT IS ON THE EMERGENCY SHELTER USE, NOT THE SINGLE-ROOM OCCUPANCY. [1:05:45] Commissioner Meyer: OKAY. I DID MISREAD THAT THEN. SO THE SINGLE-ROOM OCCUPANCY ARE LONGTERM, AS WELL. ALL RIGHT. I'LL LET THE LAST COMMENTER SPEAK, I'LL HAVE A MOTION AFTER THAT. [1:05:45] Commissioner Alper: I JUST WANT TO SAY I LIVED NEAR HERE FOR A LONG TIME, 2828 28TH AVENUE SOUTH. THIS IS MY NEIGHBORHOOD TOO, EVEN THOUGH I LIVE A FEW BLOCKS AWAY NOW. I SEE A GREAT NEED ON A DAILY BASIS FOR INCREASED OPTIONS FOR HOUSING. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS PROJECT, AND I HEAR THE NEIGHBORS, TOO, BECAUSE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ESPECIALLY COULD USE A LITTLE LOVE, FRANKLY. IT'S BEEN HARD HIT IN THE LAST FEW YEARS. SO I HOPE THAT THIS THREAD WILL CONNECT YOU ALL AND WILL KEEP THE MOMENTUM GOING TOWARDS A BETTER FUTURE FOR THE LONGTERM NEIGHBORS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE FUTURE NEIGHBORS COMING IN TOO. I DID WANT TO MENTION I NOTICED A CODE OF CONDUCT IN THE STAFF REPORT, AND MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE SHARED WITH NEIGHBORS, AS WELL. [1:06:42] Commissioner Meyer: SO I SUPPORTED THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THIS. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO PROVIDE THIS TYPE OF HOUSING. AS COMMISSIONER CONLEY MENTIONED, THE CITY HAS EMBRACED SINGLE-ROOM OCCUPANCY. I THINK IT'S BETTER FOR PEOPLE TO BE HOUSED THAN ON THE STREET. I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING YOU WANT TO ENCOURAGE. I DID JUST WANT TO NOTE FOR THE VARIANCE, THIS WILL BE THE THIRD TIME I MENTION CONCERN ABOUT ELIMINATING PEDESTRIAN OVERLAY DISTRICTS BECAUSE WE'RE SIGHTING THE PEDESTRIAN OVERLAY DISTRICT, NOTED ONLY REASON TO JUSTIFY THE VARIANCE, BUT IT DOES COMPLIMENT IT, AND THAT GIVES ME CONCERN BECAUSE IF THIS HAD COME A FEW WEEKS LATER, THEN THAT WOULDN'T -- AFTER THE CITY COUNCIL PASSES THE CHANGES, THAT WOULD NO LONGER BE APPLICABLE. SO IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE MAYBE WE SHOULD REVISIT THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS IN ORDER TO MAKE THEM MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY IN THE FUTURE. WITH THAT NOTE, I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE ITEMS A, B, C AND D, CONSISTENT WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE CITY CONDITIONS, INCLUDING THE REVISED COMPLETION DATE OF MAY 22ND, 2025. [1:08:18] Commissioner: SECOND. [1:08:18] Alyssa Olson: ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, I'LL ASK THE CLERK TO PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. [1:08:18] Casey Carl: COMMISSIONER ALPER. [1:08:33] Commissioner Alper: AYE. [1:08:33] Casey Carl: BAXLEY. [1:08:33] Commissioner Baxley: AYE. [1:08:33] Casey Carl: CAMPBELL. [1:08:33] Commissioner Campbell: AYE. [1:08:33] Casey Carl: KOSKI. [1:08:33] Commissioner Koski: AYE. [1:08:33] Casey Carl: CONLEY. [1:08:33] Commissioner Conley: AYE. [1:08:33] Casey Carl: MARWAH. [1:08:48] Commissioner Marwah: AYE. [1:08:48] Casey Carl: MEYER. [1:08:48] Commissioner Meyer: AYE. [1:08:48] Casey Carl: OLSON. [1:08:48] Alyssa Olson: AYE. EIGHT AYES AND ZERO NAYS. THAT MOTION PASSES. THAT WAS OUR LAST DISCUSSION ITEM FOR THE EVENING. ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM STAFF? [1:09:17] Kimberly Holien: YES. THANK YOU. SO IT'S BEEN A LITTLE WHILE, A FEW CYCLES SINCE THE LAND USE REZONING STUDY WAS IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION. IT DID JUST GO TO THE BIZH COMMITTEE LAST WEEK I KNOW THERE WERE A SERIES OF AMENDMENTS THAT CAME OUT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I JUST WANT TO TOUCH ON THOSE. I DID SEND OUT THE ACTIONS AND THE ENTIRE LIMS FILE FROM THE BIZH COMMITTEE MEETING. TO SUMMARIZE, THERE WAS A MOTION BROUGHT FORWARD BY COMMISSIONER MARWAH, I'LL SUMMARIZE, METALWORKING RELATED TO ARTS USES THAT WAS ADOPTED AS PART OF THE BIZH COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE FULL COUNCIL, AS WAS THE AMENDMENT BROUGHT FORWARD BY COMMISSIONER MEYER RELATED TO THE SIZE OF GROCERY STORES TO INCREASE THEM TO 20,000 SQUARE FEET. THAT WAS ALSO ADOPTED AS PART OF THE BIZH COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL. [1:10:00] Kimberly Holien: ANOTHER AMENDMENT BROUGHT FORWARD TO MARWAH AND BAXLEY, CALLED CORNERSTONE RELATED TO LIMITED COMMERCIAL USES. THAT MOTION WAS NOT ADOPTED AS PART OF THE BIZH COMMITTEE BUT IT WAS PASSED AS A LEGISLATIVE DIRECTIVE, BASICALLY FOR STAFF TO STUDY THAT AND BRING BACK RECOMMENDATIONS IN 2024. [1:10:21] Commissioner Baxley: KIMBERLY, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION ON THAT? SO I FOLLOWED FROM AFAR, POORLY I'M GUESSING, ON WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT. I'M WONDERING -- I'M THINKING THAT IN ORDER FOR THAT TO MOVE FORWARD WE NEED A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING? [1:10:48] Kimberly Holien: POTENTIALLY. THAT'S PART OF THE LEGISLATIVE DIRECTIVE TO STAFF. [1:10:48] Commissioner Baxley: IS THERE ANY -- I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND FULL OPTIONS OF THE COMMISSION, BUT IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO MULTI-- DUAL PATH THIS, WORK ON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ON IT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S LABORIOUS WHILE THE LEGISLATIVE DIRECTIVE IS HAPPENING? OR DO WE WAIT FOR THE LEGISLATIVE DIRECTIVE BEFORE WE MOVE INTO THE POSSIBILITY OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT? [1:11:18] Kimberly Holien: I THINK WE WOULD WAIT FOR LEGISLATIVE DIRECTIVE -- OF COURSE THIS IS MY DAUGHTER'S PEDIATRICIAN WAITING FOR ME TO CALL ALL DAY -- A LETTER THAT I SENT YOU AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. [1:11:18] Commissioner Koski: THANK YOU, CHAIR OLSON. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT -- BUT SHE'S NOT HERE TO ANSWER THAT RIGHT NOW. ABOUT THE TIMING. I DID NOT FOLLOW THAT PIECE OF IT, THAT THERE WAS A LEGISLATIVE DIRECTIVE IN 2024. THAT'S 12 MONTHS. WAS THERE A SPECIFIC DATE THAT THEY GAVE? [1:11:56] Kimberly Holien: YEAH. IT WAS LATE 2024, I THINK OCTOBER OR SOMETHING. [1:11:56] Commissioner Koski: OKAY. THAT WAS SOMETHING I WAS GOING TO NUDGE ON STAFF, AS WELL. [1:12:21] Alyssa Olson: YEAH, I THINK THAT PERHAPS THAT WHEN WE HAVE STAFF HERE WE CAN RECONNECT AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT TO YOUR POINT EITHER A PARALLEL PATH OR MOVING THAT TIMING UP. I'M UNCLEAR AROUND THE REASONING OF THAT LATE DATE IN 2024. COMMISSIONER ALPER, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? [1:12:40] Commissioner Alper: NO. [1:12:40] Alyssa Olson: WELL, I THINK THAT SINCE WE DON'T HAVE ANY STAFF -- IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE ADJOURN? ALL RIGHT. I'LL DECLARE THIS MEETING ADJOURNED. OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE MONDAY, JUNE 12TH, AND NEXT COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE WILL BE THURSDAY, MAY 25TH.