[Music] Good morning everyone. Council member Wire, would you kindly lead us in the pledge of allegiance? To the flag of the republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you. Also, council member wire, could you also introduce our guests for the message of the law? >> Mahalo, chair. I'm honored to introduce Dan Cole Ramos who will be delivering our message of aloha today. Dan Cole is a immigration attorney with the refugee and immigration law clinic where he advocates for non-citizen veterans and service members by helping with naturalization, family reunification, humanitarian parole, and removal defense. He also has deep roots in the Northshore, particularly Wua, and has done so much to advocate for the community in both his professional and personal capacities. His path has been shaped by a wide range of experiences. Before going to law school, he was a policy analyst and lobbyist for Elemental Accelerator and an administrative coordinator for United We Dream, America's largest immigrant youthled network based in Washington, DC. During law school, Danicole served as a summer law clerk and extern for the legal clinic and as a clinical student with refugee and immigration law clinic, represented an asylum asylum seeker in immigration court. He has also worked as a legislative aid to state representative Shan Quinnland and as a legal extern for our office. Dano is also a captain in the Hawaii Air National Guard where he serves as a military equal opportunity adviser and in his capacity support service members by ensuring equal opportunity and treatment through training and prevention. October allows us to celebrate so much in our community, our diverse community. And you know, I think we often celebrate and look to the giants of the past um to build on that foundation. I think today uh with Danico's work, I think it's a prime example of work that can be used to pave the path for greater allyship in our community and providing opportunities for our families. So, I wanted to welcome him if you'll join me in mahawing him for being here today. Thank you, Council Member Wy, and thank you for the opportunity uh for all of you to let me uh share the message of aloha uh for this month. Uh Jose Rzol, he's known as we celebrate Filipino History Month. Um he's known as an icon and a hero um in Filipino history. Um and he once said that he who does not look back at where he came from will never get to his destination. As we start off the first day of October, we kick off a month full of celebrating the histories of so many cultures and communities. from Honolulu Pride to Filipino American History Month to Family History, Family History Month and wrapping up the end of Hispanic Heritage Month. All these histories we celebrate in October has got me thinking a lot about stories, how we write our stories, and how we contribute to help to write the stories of others for better or for worse. For the last two years of my life, I've spent a career as an attorney working primarily with veterans who served in our United States military. Many of the veterans that I help have worked were immigrants from another country who even though they weren't born in the United States, decided to swear an oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States and put their lives on on the line for this country even though they weren't citizens of this country. However, like many veterans, my clients have suffered through the pain of addiction, substance abuse, PTSD, and struggle to find hope for new beginnings. Many of my veteran clients are referred to me by their probation officers and social workers who need assistance getting identification documents they lost while they were incarcerated. And some also seek help to apply for US citizenship. Despite their past, my clients inspire me. Their story of resilience inspires me to be better and reminds me with the right mentality and support system, you can overcome anything. So, I want to share a story of one of my clients who I will call Mike whose story and my experience helping him has always put a smile to my heart. So Mike was born in the locos norte Philippines and he always used to tell me how life was difficult there. His family grew garlic to get by but times were hard. In 1996 when he was just 8 years old, Mike moved to the United States. His mother and brother had already gone to Hawaii and slowly the rest of the siblings followed to Hawaii where they all lived in W Pahu. The plan was to reunite the entire family in Hawaii little by little. As a young man, Mike felt restless. He was getting into trouble and wanted to escape the cycle he found himself in. So, he decided to join the army. And he seemed like it was a way and an opportunity to turn his life around, gain discipline, and pursue experiences that he had always dreamed about. In 2010, he enlisted, inspired by a friend who had deployed and returned with stories and photo and photographs that he said stirred something inside him. So, Mike went to basic training at Fort Benning, Georgia, and served as an infantryman in the Gopherb Broke 442nd Infantry until 2015. Though he was stationed in Hawaii for most of his service, Mike's time in the military was not without challenges. Before enlisting, he had struggled with drug use and crime, working odd jobs as early as sixth grade just to buy lunch and clothes. And during training, he initially felt he was training for the better. But while he was serving, old habits kept creeping back in. After he got gallbladder surgery during a training at Fort Sil, he slipped into drinking again. The long hours and the stress of military life pulled him towards drugs. After a failed random drug test brought him an article 15 and a reduction in rank, instead of trying to find treatment, Mike just told himself he was just going to push through with his job. And as he recounted, his focus was just to focus on the mission. When Mike left the army, things got even harder. He became homeless and fell deeper into the cycle of drugs and crime. Yet through it all, there was always a part of him that wanted stability and a second chance. His mother started the process for citizenship when he was just a child. But he lost his naturalization certificate while he was incarcerated. Last year, once out of prison, Mike entered into a drug treatment program and he found himself in a frustrating cycle. He couldn't work without a social security number, but he needed proof of citizenship to get one. And he couldn't get a proof of citizenship if he couldn't know what his social security number was. So while waiting at the DMV, he said he saw a flyer of my workplace providing assistance to comm community to people like him. He called us. He met and he met with me to help get his replacement certificate so that he can start working again and getting back on his feet. Now Mike is like a true local brother, like super mo guy. He's a buff guy, tatted up, really strong pigeon accent. When I first met Mike, uh he was quite the character. He like entered my office. He like he like big body buff guy. He like dabs me up. He's like, "Yes, I brought out. Let's get this done." And I've never seen anybody in my life so excited to see a lawyer. Most times when I see people, they're either scared, they're either nervous or angry. I have never seen someone so enthusiastic like we're going to like play a sport. All we were going to do was get a replacement certificate for him. as I was working on his forms to get a replacement certificate. Um, sometimes I at work to kind of just like deal with the quietness, I I like to play music in my office while working. So, I like to play one of my favorite singers, Moli, in the office. And while I was working on his application form, he's like, "Yes, brother. This is my jam. You want cool lawyer, bro. This is this is I've never had a lawyer like this. You don't look like one, but this is so cool talking to you." And so he keeps chatting with me and you know we talk about our families and where we're from and we realize both of our uh parents are from Ilkos Norte. Um and as he's talking and I'm working on his application he points to like a flag posted on my door. It's like a rainbow colored flag and he's all like, "Bro, I've never seen that flag before. What country is that from?" And then he also then we talk about um you know uh we talk about what the flag means and then we change the conversation. We talk about hunting and then he talks about he shows me like pictures and things online of like good rifles and spears for hunting and fishing. I think that's to date every client every conversation I've had with a client that is the widest range conversation I've ever had. Fast forward six months later, Mike's life looks a little different. Um, he recently graduated from a drug treatment program and he's staying focused on recovery. He works in construction and he told me that he's saving up money one day to open up a car detailing shop in Wiki. He tells me one day when he gets rich, he wants to build a long driveway back home in the Philippines, traveling freely back and forth and one day securing steady work that gives him pride. When I gave Mike the formal letter to close his case and handed him his citizen certificate from the mail, he looked down at his certificate. And for the first time, he kind of choked a little. And I realized for the first time in a long time after being incarcerated, after going through addiction and treatment, Mike finally had something to his name, something that acknowledged his existence. He just then he grabbed me and he hugged me and he's like, "Thank you, Danny. Brah, this is life-changing. Thank you." And he said something I didn't expect him to say, which is, "I'm going to stay clean and sober for you. I won't let you down." To be honest, filling out paperwork to get a replacement citizenship certificate is fairly easy and not as complex as other cases I've had. I mean, as long as you have the right info, you can fill it out in one hour and and the certificate comes in a few months. However, as small as that gesture may have seemed to me, I realized when he hugged me and told me that that giving him a certificate was a big deal for him. For Mike, it has been a long road. From a little boy leaving a locos to a soldier in the 442nd Infantry to a man determined to rebuild his life. And though the challenges have been many, he now faces a future with discipline, recovery, and most importantly hope for better days ahead. While I only played a small role in writing his story, I know that small act of service I did for him will change his life and his story for the better. And I hope one day when I get enough money to buy the truck of my dreams. I hope to be his first client of his car detailing business. All of us here do not write our stories alone. Along the way, we have people whose decisions and engagement in our lives help rewrite our story for the better. The decisions that are made here today can rewrite the stories of many generations to come. What role do we want to play in making that story? How do we want to write the story of Honolulu? I hope that as we start this day that the decisions we make write a story of Honolulu that uplifts and acknowledges the kapuna of our the wisdom of our kapuna and inspires our kei and even our kei at heart to be their best selves. Mahala. [Applause] >> Thank you, Dan Nicole. You know, I have another story I want to tell. If you look over at the clerk's desk and the clerk's over here, you may notice that someone's missing. Vicki Chung. She served for 46 years for the city, of which 40 of them right here with the Honolulu City Council. Um, you know, just want to take the time to acknowledge that. Thank her. I'm not sure if she's watching. Um, but to thank her for her years of service to the community. You know, she actually helped set up this room, you know. So, I want to acknowledge and thank the clerk's office too from these tables to the sound system and everything involved. Um, thank you. Thank you for doing that. Um, so if we can just acknowledge her and just give her a round of applause and hopefully she's watching. She She will be missed. She will be missed for sure. Okay, this is a although remote oral testimony is being permitted, this is a regular meeting and not a remote meeting by interactive conference technology under HRS section 92-3.7. Therefore, the meeting will continue notwithstanding the loss of audiovisisual communication with remote testifiers or loss of the public broadcast of the meeting. Members of the public will be allowed to provide oral testimony on all items on the agenda and either in person in the council chamber or remotely as both English and Hawaiian are official languages of the state of Hawaii. Pursuant to article 15 section 4 of the Hawaii state constitution and section 1-13 of the Hawaii revised statutes. 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Written testimonies, including the testifier's address, email address, and phone number, will be available to the public as described on the posted agenda. As a courtesy, please turn off all cell phones for the duration of the meeting. For your information, the following items published in the public hearing notice of on Friday, September 19th, 2025 in anticipation of committee action are not included in today's agenda. Bill 53 relating to affordable housing and bill 57 relating to dumpsters. The following items was not posted on the agenda for consideration. On page 14, we have the hand carried proposed FD1 amendment to bill 52 relating to maintenance of streams and other bodies of water. Copies are available at the registration desk. I'd like to call the meeting to order. Mr. Clerk, please call the role. >> Council member Cado >> here. >> Council member Dos Santos Tam >> here. >> Council member Kia >> here. >> Council member Nishimoto. Council member Okimoto >> present. >> Council member Toba >> here. >> Council member Tupola excused. Council member Wy >> here. Chair Waters >> here. >> Mr. Chair, eight members are present. >> Thank you. Floor leader Kia Aa. Introduction of guests. >> Okay, I will take over that. Um, I know that uh we are welcomed here at Capo Hale and um I look forward to this every October not only because we are at Capo Hale uh but because we get to dawn um our Filipino attire. So I want to mahalo the members for doing that. Um I also want to mahalo and welcome members of the city administration. Um we have the director and deputy director from BFS, the deputy director from ENV. We have the director from um emergency management as well and the director from CSD and director designate from um DHLM. And if I can't see anyone else, I'm so sorry, but um this is who I can see at the moment. Um, I also want to I also want to announce uh that um that these mics are live uh the whole time. And so I've made a request uh chair um that uh the doors on each end uh be utilized because uh the doors could be heard on on TV as well and and online. Mahalo. >> Thank you. Thank you. Floor leader Kia. Motion to approve the minutes. I move that the minutes of the 12th session be approved. >> Second. >> It's been moved and seconded. Mr. Clerk, do we have any testifiers? >> Mr. Chair, we have none. >> Thank you. Any discussion, members? Seeing none, any objections or reservations? Noting no objections or reservations. The minutes have been approved. Turning to page four, order of the day. First item on the agenda today is the permitted interaction group report. for consideration. Mr. Clerk, do we have any testifiers? >> Mr. Chair, we have none. >> Thank you. Members, any discussion? >> Seeing none. >> Yes, chair. >> Yes. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Council member Kia. >> I move to adopt council communication 221 is the findings and recommendations of the council. >> Second. >> It's been moved and seconded. Council communication 221 is the final report of the investigative committee. Could you please explain further? >> Sure. Uh the report uh was established by resolution 25-56C1 to investigate matters related to the potential use of tax increment increment financing for the city and county of Honolulu. The report was presented to the council by the committee at its September 3rd, 2025 meeting and pursuant to HRS section 92-2.5B1, deliberation and decision making on the report were deferred until this meeting. Thank you, Council Member Cordderero. >> Thank you. I'll just um briefly state some um introductory remarks and background. I do want to mahalo uh the council for approving this per permanent interacted interacted group. I do want to mahalo um our members um council member dos Santos Tam as well as council member Nishimoto for joining me as well as uh the um the department of budget and fiscal services director Andy Kuano. um the department of housing and land management director designate Kevin OJ and Tim Stites from the department of planning and permitting permitting who discussed uh tax increment financing over the course of um inerson meetings um earlier this year or just a few months ago and also countless virtual document and information sharing and um I know that the report is listed in here so I just wanted uh to note uh that There are were some main structures that we were able to look at which such such as pay as you go where revenue directly fund projects and bond finance tiff where projected revenues were used to secure upfront borrowing. Uh we did see um some positive sides and we did d uh direct our discussions to other sources of financing which is why we are closing um discussions on uh the tax increment financing so that we are able to discuss um because it was too uh specific of a uh financing or financing structure. Um, and with that, uh, I don't know if any of the other members have other discussions that they would like to add, but I wanted to just, um, add that conclusion and mahalo the participants. And I also want to mahalo um, uh, the DPP director for also providing input as well. >> Thank you. Any further discussion? Council member dos Santos Town. >> Thank you, chair. Just um briefly in the report we also uh referenced eight different uh previous reports that had been done from different organizations including um here at the city and also on the state level about tiff and other uh similar structures like uh community finance district or a synthetic tiff. The most important thing and I think the main takeaway here is in the conclusion and recommendation section we have a number of recommendations including prioritizing implementing CFDs in areas like Eivelet, Kapal Lama and Halava and also looking at uh impact fees, public private partnerships and synthetic tiff models as ways that we can fund um needed and robust infrastructure programs. I hope that this report does not simply become another decoration on the shelf. Um but rather it's a pathway forward to even more activity and action where we can actually get these things implemented. >> Thank you. Any further discussion? Seeing none, just thank you uh members of the permitting action group for your hard work. And anybody from the audience wishing to testify on this matter? Mr. Clemente. Aloha. Welcome. >> Hello, Chair Waters. Uh, council members, Mark Anthony Clemente on behalf of the Hawaii Regional Council of Carpenters. Uh, here to stand in our comments on the report. Um, you know, we don't think that the door should be closed on TIFF, and I'm not saying that that's what the report is saying here. We feel that we need every arrow in the quiver when it comes to developing infrastructure for housing and passing on those cost savings to our homeowners, to our renters. Um, I understand there's some ambiguity at the state level which might be a barrier to having tiff implemented throughout our counties. Um, we recognize that there are municipalities on the continent that utilize both TIFF and CFD in conjunction with one another in order to create the infrastructure needed to develop housing. So, um, thank you again for studying this issue and this tool uh, for financing infrastructure. Thanks. >> Thank you. Members, any questions for the testifier? Seeing none, thank you, sir. >> Thank you. >> Is there anybody else who'd like to testify? Seeing none. Thank you. Any objections or reservations, members? Noting no objections or reservations. Council communication 221 has been adopted and the findings and recommendations of the council. Thank you. Moving to page five from the committee on zoning and planning, council member Kia. I move that uh committee report 313 and resolution 25-237 CD1 is amended be adopted. >> Second. >> This uh resolution confirms the appointment of Katherine Stevens to serve in the Oahu Historic Preservation Commission of the City and County of Honolulu. >> Thank you. It's been moved and seconded. Mr. Clerk, do we have any testifiers? >> Um Mr. Chair, yes, we have one in person testifier, Mr. Shelby, >> thank you. Do I need to push a button? No. Oh, good. We're good to go. Alo amo. Good to see you all. Thank you. Welcome to the west side, best side. So, I want to approve this. I want to let you know I sent 17 testimonials. Just let you all know. 14 in support, 13 to post. Just save you all time. I only got a minute to win. I got my stopwatch, don't worry. But let you all council members. My phone died literally on the bus here because I was going to go to Honolulu Hale. Luckily, one of you guys called me and said, "Hey, Pikachu, it's a cap." So, I called the secretary from the council members because I was going to complain about city uh city bus prices going up on committee when people if you didn't know, you can check it online that it got postponed. Said, "Great. Postpone that sucker forever so you never have to vote on because I'm going to say no." But my phone died. I wasn't the only one. At 9:30, there's no internet. There's no nothing. So luckily we're live streaming on my phone thanks to the Capo Wi-Fi. So I support this person and I want to do a shout out with my 20 seconds left to Raiden Cordderero did amazing job yesterday for preserving our Native Hawaiian Kakamolei history and putting all that rubber smack back. Choosing the next testimony. >> Thank you so much. Is the Is there anybody else who'd like to testify? >> That's okay. I'll take you. >> Seeing none. Thank you. Is >> Katherine Stevens available? >> Aloha. There you are. Thank you. Come forward. Would you like to say a few words? >> Thank you. Aloha, everybody. Um, I appreciate the message of aloha we heard this morning talking about community, culture, and stories because historic resources really tell our stories of community and culture. Um, and there are records of this. So, I appreciate the opportunity to serve the city and the community in support of historic preservation. Thank you. >> Thank you. Members, any questions for the nominee? Seeing none, thank you so much. Members, we're in discussion. Seeing none, any objections or reservations? Noting no objections or reservations. CR 313 and resolution 25-237 CD1 has been adopted. Congratulations and thank you. >> Moving to the bottom of page five, Council Member Kia Aa. I move that committee report 314 and resolution 25-238 CD1 is amended to be adopted. >> Second. It's >> been moved and seconded. Council member Kiana for the explanation. >> This resolution confirms the reappointment of Mahilani Cipher to serve on the Aahu Historic Preservation Commission of the City and County of Honolulu. >> Thank you so much. Miss Cipher, would you like to say a few words? >> Aloh. >> Aloh. I came all the way from the east side to the west side to Capole Hali. I'm happy to visit with you again today. Um and mahalo for um trusting in me to help with the historic preservation concerns of the city. Um I like I said before, I hope to to be part of this commission to help find solutions to issues that come up and uh we have some interesting issues that have come up and the the commission is struggling to work on those. >> Thank you. >> Thank you members. Any questions for the nominees? See none. Thank you so much. >> Hello, >> Mr. Clerk. Do we have any testifiers? >> Yes, sir. We have uh Mr. Shelby Billionaire. >> Okay, please proceed. Alo Kako, I'm back. So, thank you very much. I learned from all this one minute to win it. So, obviously, Mahani, who's being nominated, has Hawaiian in her name. So we're live streaming on Kio Kalani which is my Hawaiian name for those who are all to 1800 ABCDFG because hooked on phonics worked for me but I couldn't afford it. So Kiki is child always loving Khalani means heaven. The female fern is female version is heaven. So obviously I support the new candidates and the man who's going to keep our history together. Like I already said in the previous testimony estra did an amazing job reconnecting our history from state of Hawaii. But we can always go back to oh we went deep yesterday. If you're watching it on YouTube, uh we like 70 20 AD, but I know we come from the line line of Shem. If we're talking about Israel and APAC, IPAC, which I don't agree upon, but we come from the line of Shem and I know about the Anunnaki. We can talk about Enki and Leo all day long, but we not got the time. So, we can put in history books because we do the Kumalipo. We're not from this planet. We come from Makali, which is Pades in Greek. I don't know how to say all those names, the seven stars, but I can rename in Hawaiian. Go ladies. Thank you. Is there anybody else who'd like to testify? Seeing none, members, we're in discussion. Seeing none, any objections or reservations? Noting. No objections or reservations. CR 314 and resolution 25-238 CD1 is adopted. Congratulations and thank you. Members, moving to the top of page six from the committee on housing, homelessness, and parks, council member Tolba, >> I move the committee report 328 and resolution 25-241 be adopted. >> Second. >> It's been moved and seconded. Council member Tolba for the explanation. >> Affirming the appointment of Charles Mitsui to serve on the board of parks and wreck of the city and county of Honolulu. >> Thank you. Is Mr. Mitsui here? Aloha. Welcome. Would you like to say a few words? >> Hi. Um, thank you for the opportunity to serve on the board. I'm really looking forward to getting involved and helping members of the community build the parks that they want. Currently, the facilities are lacking some of the modern features for action sports. and I'm hoping to find pathways to get those created and also find pathways for other park users to improve the parks that they would like in their communities. >> Thank you members. Any questions for the nominee? Seeing none, thank you sir. >> Thank you. >> I do note that Shelby Pikachu billionaire has registered to testify again. Please proceed. Pikachu. Here we go again. So, I'm going to keep this one short because Mr. Mits Mitsuo came and I was expecting a real Japanese looking dude with some glasses, but he looks so pige with his mustache and he was a great guy in our YA neighborhood board. He knows we have a lot of homeless in Pokai Bay, chronics everywhere, but he understands and he can see through the problems. Andrew Topola knows the problems and I'm not sure where the funding comes from, you know, with everything else. So, I do want to support Charles Mitsua and I'll keep it short. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. Is there anybody else who'd like to testify? Seeing none, members, we're in discussion. Seeing none, any objections or reservations? Noting no objections or reservations, CR 328 and resolution 25-241 has been adopted. Thank you, Mr. Mitsui, and congratulations. Moving to the bottom of page six from the committee on public safety and the economy. Council member Tolba. >> I move the committee report 333 and resolution 25200 CD1 be amended or as amended be adopted. Sorry. >> Second. It's been moved and seconded. Council member Tolba for the expert. >> Confirming the appointment of Christopher Magnus to serve on the police commission of the city and county of Honolulu. >> Thank you, Mr. Magnus. Aloha. Welcome. Thank you for being here today. Would you like to say a few words? >> Aloha. And uh thank you so much for this honor and this ability to serve. I confirmed. I'm particularly honored that this can be done at the Capolet meeting because I think it's an important reminder that the police commission serves the entire island, not just uh the main sections of of Honolulu and I certainly dedicate my service on the commission to incorporating residents from across Aahu. So, thank you so much. Thank you members. Any questions for the nominee? Seeing none. Thank you, sir. I know we have one registered testifier, Shelby Pikachu billionaire. So, I talked to Christopher Magnus because we've been through this before. I will report to police commissioners because the police commission actually emailed me back. I reported a dirty FBI agent, Sherwin Chang, who's been helping the organ harvesting with Justin Davis on the Big Island. We have a corrupt detective named Jenny Lee who arrested my friend's son in their house. Camille's son is now in Honolulu airport's jail with no war and he just got arrested. So, I reported this to the Hono Police Commission and I wanted to know if Mr. Mangus could handle that kana. So, the police commissioners emailed me back uh because the FBI contacted them and the FBI does not want my email, does not want want to talk to Shelby Pikachu, billionaire. So, I emailed them yesterday to tell them they have a dirty agent and I don't trust them. The police commissioners have the details, have the reports because it goes through a federal level and you know the government just shut down. They never talk about the Epstein files, but people are at Pikachu already released it. So, I don't trust the government. I don't trust the president. The Republicans shut down the government. They're blame Democrats. I don't any of that kukai, but I do want to support Christopher Magnus. He comes from Oakland. We're talking about the gangs. Chihu. Yayu. >> Thank you. Is there anybody else who'd like to testify? Aloha. Please come forward. Um, clerks, can we help? Okay, that works. >> Yeah. My name is Carl Dixon and I'm in support of the nominee. Um, I'd like to bring to his attention that he's he's looking forward to a really tough job. Um, HBD needs a lot of new direction and new um just new leadership and oversight. There's a lot going on in HPD and they are our first line of defense against crime. they're supposed to be. And it it's going to be quite a project for you and I I'll support you in any way I can. We need to fix our police department. We need to fix our community and keep our community safe. Are you >> Thank you, sir. Is there anybody else who'd like to testify? Seeing none, thank you. Members, sorry. >> We have one person standing by remotely. >> Remotely. Please proceed. >> Mr. Brett Kulus. >> Hello. Welcome. Please proceed. >> Thank you, Chair. This is Brett Kus. I'm a longtime resident of Eva Beach. I oppose this nomination. Mr. Magnus' track record at previous locations is is very disturbing. Uh, one of the biggest one is while he was the chief of police in Richmond, V. Richmond Uh I'm not can't remember the state. He uh he was holding a Black Lives Matter sign as the law chief law enforcement of the city while the while the city burned. So I I don't appreciate that. I think he brings the wrong type of uh background to us. I don't think it's pono. I don't approve of this appointment. Mahalo. >> Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Do we have any other testifiers? >> Mr. Chair, that concludes the testifiers. >> Thank you. Members, we're in the discussion. Council member Okimoto. >> Thank you, Chair. If if the nominee could just maybe answer. I know that this type of questions have been going around. Maybe if you could come if we could have Mr. Magnus come back and just kind of explain um anything you'd like to say regarding some of the questions or concerns that have been brought up by not just the previous testifier, but um others who may have some questions also. Is that possible? >> Yes, we did have questioning, but we could do that again. >> Thank you. >> Council member Okimoto, please proceed. >> Thank you so much for being here. Again, if if you don't mind, if you could just explain um I know that some of these questions have come up before and and I didn't ask it before. I wasn't sure if it was still a concern to the public. if you could just maybe um respond to those questions that were posed, but also just any other things that maybe have been um brought up in your past, but also moving forward, which we're hoping to do. >> Uh thank you, council member, and through the chair. Um, look, I've been in policing for over 40 years. Um, 20 plus as a police chief. And in the course of that time, I've worked in several different, uh, very diverse communities. I've been a change maker wherever I've been, trying to make changes for the better. But when you make change, uh, sometimes you, uh, ruffle feathers. My focus on changemaking has always been to bring together the police and the community. And um every community that I have ultimately um been part of has I think been tremendously supportive of the work that I've done. Richmond, California is a good example of that where we've brought down uh shootings and homicides by over 70% by it was one of the most violent per capita cities in the country. And by bringing community together with service providers and the police, we showed that when you work together, when you care about each other, when you focus on the right things, you can make tremendous changes in public safety. But again, I understand that there are always going to be some who oppose change. Uh in Richmond, for example, I had to deal with um a group of very entrenched senior officers when I came in who very bluntly told me, "You can be the face of the department, but we're basically it's our turn to run it. We're going to make the decisions." Uh that was not all right with me. I have never responded well to bullies. I did my best to move forward and run the department um make changes so things would be done fairly. Um I had to deal with a lawsuit over a period of time where which I ultimately uh prevailed in with the unanimous jury verdict. Um, but you know, again, lawsuits, um, challenges of other kinds are part of what you face as a police chief, and I've done my best to be responsive to the community. >> No, thank you. And I and thank you, chair, for allowing me the time to have this continued discussion. I appreciate you, and I I look forward to having continued conversations. Um, and we know that as has been stated, not just with your um, nomination, but others, that this is a position that is under high scrutiny, and we're hopeful um, that we can move forward, especially with the big decision to choose the next police chief. I I thank you again. Um, I think some concerns have been brought up in previous hearings, but I feel that you've been doing your best to go around and answer questions, so I just wanted to have that in a public forum. Thank you. >> Thank you so much, chair. >> Thank you. Thank you. Any further questions for the nominee? Seeing none. Thank you, sir. >> Thank you. >> We are in discussion members. Any further discussion? Um, thank you. Any objections or reservations? Noting no objections or reservations. CR 333 and resolution 25-2000 CD1 has been adopted. Thank you, Mr. Magnus, for willingness to serve and congratulations. [Applause] Members, turning to the top of page seven, resolution 25-257, authorizing the use of overt video monitoring in the city and county of Honolulu to prevent and deter general criminal activity and achieve the legitimate law enforcement objective and legitimate public purpose of ensuring a safe and secure 2025 Honolulu Marathon. on. Mr. Clerk, do we have any testifiers? >> Yes, chair. We have Mr. Shelby Billionaire register. >> Okay, please proceed. >> Hello, Mako City Council. So, I know a lot of people when you read this bill, especially on the schedule, it looks really weird when it says overt like they're going to spy on you at the park, but we know they're doing a lot of drugs, X, Y, and Z kind of crazy stuff. So, you when you run this resolution through AI, it actually does put my letter of support. So, if anybody wants to read it, they can read my letter and we're going to keep it short. Thank you very much. >> Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Do we have any other testifiers? >> Mr. Chair, that concludes Oh, I'm sorry, Miss Iwasa standing by remotely. >> Okay, please proceed. Sorry. Um, we seem to have trouble um getting her audio through. >> I'm not sure if it's on the the testifier's side or our side. >> Miss, is your um microphone enabled? Because we note you is unmuted, but we cannot hear you on this side. Sorry, we're still not able to get her audio through. Brief recess. [Music] [Music] Okay, reconvening members. I think Sunshine Law requires us to allow her to testify. Um, what I'm going to suggest is that she call in if Natalie Dwasa, if you're watching, call in. We can put you on and until then, I'll just pass this matter. Yeah. Okay. We'll come back to page seven. Moving on to page eight. Page eight. The floor leader Kia. >> I move that the first reading items listed on pages eight and nine of the agenda pass first reading. >> Second. It's been moved and seconded floor leader Kina for the explanation. >> Bill 63 relates to real property tax uh property real property taxation. It addresses the dedication of certain property for affordable long-term residential rental use. Bill 64 relates to appropriations. Bill 65 uh relates to budget execution. Bill 66 relates to exceptional trees. >> Thank you so much. I believe our first testimony is from Shelby Billionaire. Not here. >> Oh, there you go. And you can testify on any of the first reading items. >> So 63 64 656 chair. >> Correct. Okay. So, thank you very much folks. Pikachu shall be billionaire. I said no to bill 64, no to bill 65 and I'm supporting bill 66. I did not testify on bill 63. So, bill 64 uh the appropriations code word for money and I know the the feds cut off the funds. A lot of people going to lose their jobs and right now I'm concerned for the economy for everyone because they're lying to everyone about the public and I'm not sure how the funds are going to go through. But when I ran through this AI, it says like a discretionary funds for heart for the rail and I don't approve of the rail cuz it's empty. When you see that sucker at night, it's empty. I still have to catch the bus to ride the rail to go catch the bus to go to wy kids. It doesn't make sense with the new proposal change plans. So I'm saying no to that. 67 budget execution. That's another code word for I'm going to funnel the money. So I'm an Asian guy. I'm just going to run this through Excel. I don't care what the people tell me. in words when I click through the button and bill 65 because it's so short. Most these people won't even read it. The only way you can look at it if you go home cuz it's too small to look at your phone and click on a little button and this it's so long. Every time you guys give me your budget bills, I don't testify on it because it breaks my AI. It says it's easier to solve the problems of the universe understanding this bill. That's how bad some of these bills are. So my answer is no. I owe it. No means no on bill 6564. But I know how you guys going to vote anyway. But I have to still say it as a chairman for the Ohio Unity Party. I'm not a donkey. I'm not Shrek. I'm not elephant. I'm not Dumbo. I'm a Pikachu. Yeah. Got to catch them all. So, Bill 66, I do approve because it has exceptional trees. Now, we do need a lot of trees. I have the city and county who came to our Wii board that they want to put more different trees into our parks native. Some of like the the banyan trees that's in Walua Gardens. All the Japanese people, they pretend it's broccoli and they take a photo of that with the selfie. It's like, "Yeah, we can put that tree right in Pai Bay cuz you know that stuff is dying. I don't know if there's enough water, but yeah, we put some broccoli trees there and yeah, Pinoy power. I know they're going to put that tamarind. You guys can use that for whatever you need. My pop or whatever you need. Let's rock and roll this sucker together. Heck yeah, we need more trees. Help save the environment." And that's how we need to build our own holidays. We should teach the kids how to build their own house. And that's why I support Bill 66. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. I believe we also have registered Natalie Wasa. Is she available now? Natalie, are you available? >> Can you say something just to make sure we can hear you? You calling in? She's calling in. Okay. Can you hear me now? >> Yes, we can. Please proceed. >> Okay. Uh, sorry about that. I don't know what happened. And I guess there's a little bit of a feedback here. Um, hold on. [Music] Can you still hear me? >> Yes. >> Yes, we can. Please proceed. >> Can you still hear me? >> Yes, please proceed. >> Okay. Thank you. Oh, so sorry about this. Um, sorry for my late uh testimony, too. Um, Natalie was for the record. With respect to Bill 63, um I do appreciate the intent on this. I know the council member who introduced it has been working toward making our real property tax system more um improved and but but I I oppose this because I have a number of uh concerns about it. Um, first of all, this would make it, um, a dedication available for long-term rentals that are affordable, uh, which is less than 100% AMI, which is reasonable, but there are some requirements in here that just don't make any sense to me. Um, first of all, the threshold is only what the residential A property limit is, and so why is that? I mean, we have properties that are above the residential A that are affordable. So, that doesn't make sense to me. um the owner must provide evidence that the tenant is eligible. To me, this means that there is some kind of um document that the tenant would need to um provide. And I think that this type of dedication gets to be very um intrusive and invasive uh for the government as far as what is required to be shown. It also requires that the um the dedication be five years. And I would like you to talk about this whole issue in committee and um the fact that there my understanding is there are no properties in this dedication right now. So this five-year requirement is very ownorous. But not only that, if if they fail to meet the five-year requirement, you penalize the owner by having having them go back five years or whatever back to the beginning of when they got the dedication and pay the the difference in the tax plus a 10% pen penalty. It It's just not fair. It's It's not good policy. I ask you again to go ahead and look at the um the de the other real property tax exemptions. That's where the money is. So, thank you for allowing me to testify. >> Thank you, members. Any questions for Miss Wasau? >> Seeing none. Thank you. Do you want to testify on any of the other bills that are listed for first reading? Miss Wasau? >> No, that's it, Chair. But um I if I understood correctly, you also wanted me to testify to go back on that resolution on the video cameras. Is that correct? >> Yes. Let's take care of the first reading items and then we'll come back to page seven. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Clerk. I I believe we also have Brent Culus testifying on Bill 65. Thank you, Chair Brett Kulbas, US Navy veteran. Uh, I oppose bill 65 in its current format and request that the there be some amendments made. Uh, it's in my I stand by my testimony. Uh while Bill fixes proposes new appropriations and amendments affecting public housing and building codes in Honolulu, at this early stage, it is crucial that careful consideration be given to both the intended unintended benefits and potential unintended consequences of expanding the government's intervention in housing and development. I believe while the goals of 65 are worthy of discussion, its specifics demand careful scrutiny throughout the committee process to ensure ultimate it ultimately advances the interests of all Honolulu residents in a manner that respects fiscal discipline, individual liberty, and economic growth. Mahalo. >> Thank you, Mr. Clerk. I believe that is all the registered testifiers that we have. Is there any unregistered testifiers? And by the way, I do note that we have Andy Kano here from Department of Budget and Fiscal Services. Um, if you'd like to testify or if members have any questions for the director? No. Seeing none, is there anybody else who'd like to testify on first reading items? Seeing none, members, we're in discussion. Council member Kino. >> Thank you, Chair. I, you know, I wanted to respond to Natalie Iwas as well as others who have testified with regard to my bill 63. Uh, this is an effort to supplement uh bill 34 uh which is being considered for final reading today. Bill 34 increases uh for residential aid properties from the minimum threshold of a million to 1.3. Uh the intent for uh bill 63 under consideration for first reading today is to uh allow landlords uh to dedicate their homes as an affordable long-term residential rental to uh tenants who earn up to 100% AMI instead of under current law 80% AMI. And one of the reasons I was doing this was to ensure that um that the um the the reductions in real property uh tax payments realized by the owner are passed on to the renter. And quite frankly, that's something that uh Natalie has been talking to us all of these years. uh when you just provide a tax exemption uh it doesn't automatically transfer to the renter. I have heard loud and clear that five years may be too long and I think that during committee we should consider making it uh two to three years to provide the greatest flexibility. Uh in short, I am simply trying to um incentivize residential aid homeowners to rent to local families and any potential costs um to taxpayer is going to be offset by the ability of local families to be able to stay here in Hawaii and to have an affordable um affordable price to to rent um an apartment or a home. Thank you. >> Thank you. Any further discussion, members? Council member Okimoto. >> Sorry, chair. There's just a testifier who's wanting to also um testify on one of the measures and they're on the phone and they haven't been able to get through unmute themselves. >> I was just made aware. >> Mr. Cler, are you aware of another testifier? >> Mr. Chair, we don't see any hands raised at the moment. If that person could raise their hand >> if they're remotely logged on. I'm not sure. She just texted. >> So, somebody's texted you that they want to testify. >> They're on the phone wanting to testify. I don't know if they're able to raise their hand on the phone or not. >> Mr. Clerk, is there a caller? can maybe ask her to push star nine. I'm not sure. >> Yep. >> Oh, there. Okay. >> Hi, everybody. Now, it worked. Thank you, Council Member Okimoto. I appreciate you intervening. Hi, everybody. My name is Malia Spenda and I'm I have COVID right now, so I apologize for my voice and thank you for allowing me to come in um on this and 63. I just want to voice my support um I think on this measure and for council member um uh um Esakia for introducing this effort, continuing to try to pursue options for um persons who tried to keep um our tenants. I do have a property and I uh this tenant is the manager of Macy's in Pearl City and Pearl Ridge as well as Kahala and so I kind of feel like I'm on a attempt to keep her afloat to keep you know all those jobs afloat. So I I really thank you all. I know that this is a a early introduction of this measure. I think there's a number of concerns that have been raised and and perhaps there you know that will work itself out in sess in a a committee. But I just want to continue to support all efforts that allow for folks like me who do have some property, a property that I've had the same tenant for nine years now. Um, and I tried to keep her as part of my ohana and we are friends and colleagues and and yes, landlord tenant, but it's more than that. So, thank you and I just wanted to support. So, thank you for getting me in. >> Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Any other testifiers? >> Mr. Chair, that concludes the testifiers. >> Thank you. Any discussion, members? Any further discussion? Thank you. Seeing none, any objections or reservations? Noting no objections or reservations on the first reading items. On pages eight and nine of the agenda have passed first reading. Thank you members. Going back to page seven. Page seven, we have Natalie Wasa. Hello. Can you hear me? >> Yes, we can. Please proceed. >> Oh, thank you, Natalie Watsa for the record. Um, so I'm so sorry about this technology issue here. Anyway, on with respect to this resolution regarding the overt um video monitoring for the marathon. I've testified in opposition a number of times over the last two decades. I just think that um you know the government shouldn't be putting up cameras and um it it what it does people even if they're not doing anything wrong. So, I just wanted to mention that one year in addition, they had a camera posted right in front of somebody's private driveway, which I just felt was absolutely wrong. I haven't seen that since, but I just wanted to mention again my opposition. Thank you so much. >> Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Do we have any other testifiers on resolution 25-257? >> Mr. Chair, that concludes the testifiers. >> Thank you. Any discussion, members? Say none. Resolution 25-257 has been referred to the committee on public safety. Members, moving to the top of page 10. Top of page 10 from the committee on budget. Council member Okimoto. >> Thank you, chair. I move that committee report 304 be adopted and bill 59 pass second reading. >> It's been moved and seconded. Council member Okimoto for the explanation >> relating to sewer service charges. >> Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Do we have any testifiers? >> Yes, sir. We have um Mr. Brett Cobb standing by remotely and Shelby Billionaire in the chamber. >> Okay, let's go with Shelby Billionaire first. >> Loco. So, I'm opposing this bill, Bill 59, because it's talking about sewer service charges. In my world in Yi, that means kukai or p o p poop poop. So, before I can get here, I have to go to wai transit center to catch the bus. And it smells like t when you walk by there, when you drive by there. The homeless call the bathroom right across the street sewers because it smells like you know what. They put some plumeriia trees when you try to drive by to wa and it smells like you know what. Stink butt. And so now you're going to raise prices for sewer. So if you're on the big island, there's a code word that they teach you real fast. When it's brown, flush it down. If it's yellow, keep it mellow because they're on catchment. So in order to save money, I would tell my constituents here just you can poop outside like I do on Mount Aaya and we use baby wipes, but you clean up after yourself and you can burn everything. So there's no reason why you should raise prices for poop and water when the pipes are old. We know it's all outdated and you have to service nine other places, not just nine Sand Island. So I oppose this bill for raising poop prices. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. Next we have Kurt Bilbus. Brett Kulbus. Thank you, Chair Waters. Pratt Culpus again, Navy veteran, longtime resident of the beach. I oppose bill 59 in its current draft. Bill 59 does not sufficiently safeguard Honolulu's fiscal position or its infrastructure, nor does it promote accountability for users who disproportionately burden public resources. I urge the committee as this moves forward to consider the common sense amendments I proposed in my written statement as a way to keep our sewer system sustainable and fair for all residents. Mahalo. >> Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Do we have any other testifiers? >> Mr. Chair, that concludes the testifiers. >> Thank you, members. Oh, I'm sorry. Please come forward. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Uh my name is Carl Dicks and the whole sewer system here in Honolulu is a failing system. It's going to continue to fail. It's a bad idea. As this as the island has grown, the population has grown. We need to look at new technologies. We need to look at new ideas instead of keep dumping money into a failing program that's just getting bigger and bigger and fails bigger and bigger. Um, we need to look at um incinerators and other solutions that don't involve tearing up our streets, running pipes all over the place and overflowing sewers into the ocean. There's new technology out there that needs to be investigated, looked into, and thought about, and brought to the table instead of continuing to fund a failing system that's going to continue to fail bigger and bigger. I yield. >> Thank you, Deputy Director. Aloha. Welcome. >> Thank you, Chair Waters. Thank you, council members. Uh so we are in support of uh bill 59 uh which removes uh the search charge for for high uh strength sewer and uh as far as industrial users, we we regulate industrial users carefully. We have a pre-treatment program and uh within that program we issue permits uh which require industrial users to comply to permit conditions which often include pre-treatment devices. Uh we have over approximately 3,000 permits issued to industrial users. And so we are we are regulating uh and and watching over these industrial users. uh and and we feel that the high strength search charge is is not necessary. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Any questions for the deputy director? See none, thank you for being here. Appreciate you. >> Thank you. >> Is there anybody else who'd like to testify on bill 59? Seeing none, members were in discussion. Not none. Roll call. Mr. Clerk. >> Council member Cordderero. >> I. Council member dos Santos Tam. Hi. >> Council member Akia. >> Hi. >> Council member Nishimoto. Hi. >> Council member Okimoto. >> Hi. >> Council member Toba. >> Hi. >> Council member Tupola. Excuse. Council member Wire. >> Hi. >> Chair Waters. >> Hi. >> Mr. Chair. There are eight eyes. One member is absent. >> Thank you. CR 304 has been adopted and bill 59 has passed second reading. Moving to the bottom of page 10. Council member Okimoto. >> Move that committee report 305 be adopted and bill 61 pass second reading. >> It's been moved and seconded. Council member Okimoto for the explanation >> relating to real property taxation. >> Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Do we have any registered testifiers? >> Mr. Chair, we have none. >> Is there anybody in the audience who'd like to testify on Bill 61? Seeing none, members, any discussion? Seeing none, any objections or reservations? Noting no objections or reservations, CR 305 has been adopted. A bill 61 has passed second reading. Moving to the top of page 11 from the committee on zoning and planning. Council member Kia. >> I move that committee report 310 be adopted in bill 62 CD1 as amended. Pass second reading. >> Second. >> Moved and seconded. Council member Kina for the explanation. This bill relates to amendments to bed and breakfast home and transification unit standards and requirements initially made under ordinance 24-14 but inadvertently omitted under ordinance 25-2. >> Thank you. I believe we have Shelby Billionaire in person. >> Uh sorry chair. What bill are we on? We're on bill >> 62. >> 62. >> 62. Okay. Yeah. >> A page 11. >> Gotcha. Bed and breakfast. I support this bill because uh this will help a lot of the people who do own bed and breakfast. It's not very popular here in Honolulu. But if you ever went to Maui and Mokai, Big Island or Kauaii, this would be very beneficial. And you want to run the numbers. I do want to support local business because I have a friend visiting Victoria from Big Island who flew in and she's spending like $600 little less for Wik Ki for three days. She came out just to see our city council meeting, our Hunter Police Commission meeting. And I want to break the stigmatism. Just because you're from another county, doesn't mean you can't say anything because they have a lot of human trafficking, drug smuggling going on. But there's a lot of retaliation. So hopefully we can inspire the future generations to come here, come out, go to Thalos, have some fried egg, fried egg omelette, fried adobo fried rice because that's amazing here on the west side. Yeah. You choo. Aloha. >> Thank you. >> Next we have Kelly Lee. followed by Edward Jones. >> Aloha, chair, vice chair, and council members. I'm Kelly Lee with the Aahu Short-Term Rental Alliance. We strongly support this measure, which builds on the success of ordinance 2414 and makes registration more efficient. But one issue remains. The current law requires a full registration and a $1,000 fee every time an operator or point of contact changes, even when the op owner stays the same. These routine changes create unnecessary costs for owners and duplicate work for city departments, all without improving compliance. We respectfully ask that you remove change in operator as a trigger for full re-registration. Instead, we propose a simpler updated process or a modest fee. Please fix this error so so a simple operator change doesn't cost $1,000 and create extra work for all involved. Mahalo for your time today. >> Thank you, Kelly. Any questions for the testifier? Council member Kia. >> Just comments. Uh thank thank you so much uh for the testifier. uh these concerns were raised in the committee uh meeting and I have I have assured the testifiers that a separate measure addressing your concerns uh will be um moving forward. Thank you so much. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Any other questions for the testifier? Seeing none, next we have Edward Jones followed by Janette Fukua. >> Mr. Sure. Both testifiers are not logged on. >> Both testifiers are not logged on. Okay. Is there anybody else who'd like to testify on bill 62? Bill 62. Seeing none. Any discussion, members? Not none. Roll call. Mr. Clerk. >> Council member Cordero. >> I. >> Council member Dos Santos Tam. >> Hi. >> Council member Kia. >> Hi. >> Council member Nishimoto. >> Hi. >> Council member Okimoto. >> I. >> Council member Talba. >> Hi. >> Council member Tupola is excused. Council member Wy. >> Hi. >> Chair Waters. >> Hi. >> Mr. Chair, there are eight eyes, one member is absent. >> Thank you. CR 310 has been adopted and bill 62 CD1 has passed. Second reading. Moving to the bottom of page 11 from the committee on infrastructure, transportation, and technology. Council member Cordderero. >> I move that committee report 317 be adopted in bill 42, city 1, uh, which relates to taxi cabs as amended. Pass second reading. >> Second. >> It's been moved and seconded. Thank you for the explanation, Mr. Clerk. I believe we have Shelby Pikachu billionaire. >> Hello, MCO. Before I became Pikachu, I used to live in New York for seven years and he used to rip me off right away. Soon as you land JFK, you're going to have some uh non-white person come up to you try to hustle you to catch your stuff because I was I moved to Brooklyn right away. Never seen the place. and it was like 40 60 bucks and they never had the digime meters there. Uber lift wasn't there. This is early 2011. So this is the reason why I'm supporting this bill because when you're riding Uber Lift or you're in some boon place, sometimes you need the taxi that's reliable. But New York, the Chinese person would call the Chinese taxi. The Korean person call the Korean taxi. They don't speak English. So there's a hustle going on. And that's why I I'm presuming that's why you're putting this bill together so people don't get hustled. So, I approved this bill so you can see the meter going up, but you got to watch these Chinese people. You know, you're going to be stuck in traffic from downtown to Hawaiian. It's going to cost me more when I could have just Ubered myself. So, I do support this bill with some amendments. Thank you very much. >> Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Do we have any other testifiers? >> Mr. Chair, that concludes the registered testifiers. >> Thank you, members. We're in discussion. Seeing none, roll call. Mr. Clerk. >> Council member Cordderero. >> I. >> Council member Dosanto Tam. >> Hi. >> Council member Kino. >> Hi. Council member Nishimoto. >> Hi. >> Council member Okimoto. >> I. >> Council member Talba. >> Council member Tupola is excused. Council member Wire. >> Hi. >> Chair Waters. >> Hi. >> Mr. Chair. Eight eyes. One member is absent. >> Thank you. CR 317 has been adopted in bill 42 CD1 has passed. Second reading. Turning to the top of page 12. Council member Cordderero. I move that committee report 319 be adopted in bill 60 CD1 as amended which relates to the Honolulu authority for rapid transportation uh pass second reading. >> Second. >> It's been moved and seconded as well as explained. Thank you. Mr. Clerk, do we have any testifiers? >> Uh yes, sir. We have both uh in person and person standing by remotely. >> Okay. Let's start with Shelby Pikachu Billionaire. Aloha Mako folks. Thank you all. Good to see you again. I'm saying no to the rail because the Portuguese should have started from Wiki to Alam Moana. From there to the airport if they've been in Las Vegas, traveled around the world. It's inefficient. They went bankrupt multiple times hiring the France company which should have hired someone from Japan, from Tokyo or from China to make this stuff more efficient? Who the heck puts Hawaiian style designs on concrete which is 70 years poorest? You could have Googled the material and Okinawa Osaka World Fair has some brand new concrete that's lasting longer, staying stronger all night long, if you know what I mean, chair. So that's why I disapprove of the heart. I disapprove of the budget because now they want to go to uh Monoa and they're trying to force with the city bus. They're going to cancel the sea, which is how we get directly from um Yi to Alam Moana. going to force us to spend $3 to catch the bus to go to Capo to ride the rail to spend another $3 to get off the rail to catch another bus for $3 and then to catch it back. That's $69. And then you're trying to raise the rates. I say heck no. Thank you. >> Thank you. Next we have Andre Johnson. Aloha. Welcome. >> Hello. I I approve of Bill 60 and I think it's very important that we plan for our future. traffic is getting worse and we need more transit options. I think it's very important that we plan now before we build it later and we cause all these problems that we have now. I think this all could have been avoided if we just planned more and I approve of bill 60. Thank you. >> Thank you, sir. Next we have Brent Kulbus. Thank you, Chair W. Brett Kulus again, resident, Navy veteran. I acknowledge that CD1 represents an improvement over the original bill by removing the automatic prioritization of one specific extension. However, I remain concerned about granting HART, who has a very sketchy track record, the expanded planning authority without adequate fiscal constraints and accountability measures. As a taxpayer and advocate for responsible government spending, I I request that the council in the next or the next committee consider the amendments that I provided, I should say common sense amendments I provided in my written testimony. Mahalo. >> Thank you. Next, we have Jacob Wines. >> Aloha, chair. Aloha, council members. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to testify this morning in support of Bill 60. As I keep saying in my uh oral and written testimony, prior proper preparation prevents or performance. I am a strong supporter of the overall skyline project. I'm a daily transit commuter and I'm very excited for segment 2 to open which is going to provide further congestion and traffic relief for our city. However, we cannot continue to go forward with business as usual. We all know, understand and have felt the disruptions and poor prior preparation for the skyline project, and it cannot be allowed to continue. This bill will give us the proper preparation in order to continue and plan for needed extensions. We all understand that Skyline can't end at Civic Center. We need to get it to Alam Moana. We need to get it eventually to uh Manoa. And then we also need to be looking at extensions to West Aahu to include other parts of Capo, maybe even Coalina. And then I think, you know, there's a strong case to be made that, you know, we can start planning for an extension up to central Aahu so all neighborhoods in our city can benefit. Uh to conclude, I strongly support bill 60. Let's get this across the legislative finish line. Thank you. >> Thank you. That concludes our registered testifiers. Is there anybody else in the audience who'd like to testify? Please come forward. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Uh Carl Dicks again. Um let's start at the beginning of the rail project, the Skyline project. Um the funding of it is a scheme. It's not legal the way it's being funded. one one jurisdiction collecting attacks and taking a cut of it and for another jurisdiction that on it on the surface it's not supposed to occur and then it's caveman technology. There's so much better technology. It's the slowest, most highmaintenance way to build a rail in a mass transit. And it it's it's it's a prime example of the emptiness of a good plan for transportation for Hawaii and especially Aahu. The train runs empty all the time because everybody's still in the same place they've always been. That rail hasn't it we're running this train back and forth empty. empty promises that have been promised to the people of Hawaii for years and years and years destroying why I the west coast because they're their their parents are sitting in this traffic while their kids do whatever they want without supervision because that's the way it is. Nobody's got any proper solutions. Nobody's got any futuristic there's much better technology. This rail project from the get-go was nothing more than a slush fund and it and we need better leadership. We need better ideas. We need to move into at least caveman technology. I yield. >> Thank you. Anybody else like to testify on bill 60? Aloha. Welcome. Hello, chair, council members. Mark Anthony Clemente on behalf of the Hawaii Regional Council of Carpenters representing 6,000 hardworking men and women of the Hawaii Carpenters Union. We are in strong support of bills like Bill 60. You know, this is beyond just planning for rail. This is unlocking housing. This is relieving traffic congestion. And I agree with uh something actually most of what uh the previous testifier Jacob wins had mentioned about all of the reasons he supports this bill. Um this is about planning. You know, let's unlock hearts ability to plan for future segments. Um you know, if H2 and H3 were just completed halfway, those would be unusable as well. when we talk about writership levels. Well, when we bring it all the way to uh Manoa and a majority of Oahu residents support this according to a scientific poll conducted through Hawaii perspectives and that's something I can provide later, but about 77% of Wahoo residents support bringing the rail to at least uh Manoa. So, let's give Hart a chance to study either going all the way to uh Manoa or further into West Wahoo. Thank you. >> Thank you. Is there anybody else who like to testify on bill 60? Bill 60. Seeing none, thank you. Members, we're in discussion. Council member Kina followed by Council Member Dos Santos Tam. >> Can we have the heart director? >> Sure. Lori Kahikina. Aloha. Welcome. >> Good morning. Lori Kahikina, executive director of heart. >> Hi. Good morning. Uh, director. I can uh you know under the I'm looking at the CD1 on the page one and it says HART is authorized to conduct planning and preliminary engineering for extensions to the minimum operable segment. >> Um I'm not an expert. I can't remember all of the uh your activities and planning processes. Could you explain for us what the minimum operable segment is and and until where it will end? currently as authorized by city council. The MOS is from East Capo to um Alam Moana Center. Okay. >> So any extensions to that um it would need city council and mayor's approval. >> Okay. And um we currently you have currently completed uh segment one and segment two is going to be coming on board in October. Correct. In the near future. Is the leg pass the civic center considered segment three? >> Correct. >> Okay. Thank you. I'm just trying to get my factual information together. >> Thank you. >> As I'm uh determining my position on this. >> Thank you, Council Member. >> Thank you, Council Member Dos Santos Town. >> Thank you, Chair. Um I want to I want to thank the testifiers um both for and against it. uh for the testifiers who were in support, you know, they noted a number of things. Economic equity, access, um unlocking housing opportunities, but one thing that really stuck out to me was the pedestrian safety aspect. We as a community have been engaged in um a lot of concern about the rising number of pedestrian deaths. Every single one of these pedestrian deaths on this island involves a vehicle. It's because we spend an inordinate amount of money on our road system, supporting car infrastructure, but very little gets spent on public transportation. Even though hundreds of thousands of people on this island, 116,000 riders a day depend on our public transportation system. Bill 60 is not authorizing construction, it's authorizing planning. And if you think about this rail system which started in 200 I guess 2004 there was a pro- rail uh mayor elected who came in in 2005. The get was approved in 2005. Groundbreaking happened six years later. The EIS was accepted you know five years after the get. It took five years to get from approving the funding mechanism to to an EIS that was published. And now we're in 2025 with the system supposed to get to Kakaako in 2031. We're five years away. We need five years to even begin planning for beyond one inch beyond that when one inch beyond Alam Moana and same thing on the west side. I think a lot of people criticize the rail project. Um but you know if we look at the other huge infrastructure project, the very first huge infrastructure project the community undertook was H1. Everyone points to H3 delays, costs, all of that. H1 started in 1959. That's when construction got started. And the first segment didn't open till six years later. And that segment was one mile long. It wasn't a 19-m long system. It spent they took six years to build one mile of H1 when they began. And it took until 1986. It took 30 years to finally get to the airport vioduct and finish that and get the whole system connected. It took 30 years to get there. And now each and every day, all those cars that I talked about before, think think nothing of this enormous public infrastructure project that we did and completed way back then. And so now we have a rail project that is on its way to completion. It's had its share of delays, but I think we need to put this into context and remind ourselves that things like this do take a long time to get done. And if we don't start planning now in 2025 or 2026, we are not going to be ready for 2031 or 2038 or 2040 or whenever it might be that we, you know, continue on to a place like uh Monoa or out to Colt or wherever else it might go. We need to start now. And I know that questions have been raised about whether this is the right time. If now is not the right time, then when's the right time? and and anybody who brings up whether it's the right time now um perhaps could identify another time when it would be better. I don't know if it's next year 2027 or 2030. If we can point to a specific year, I'd be happy to delay the bill till then. But until that happens, you know, let's move forward now. >> Thank you. Quick question. Um Director Kaiikina, there's the locally preferred alternative and the minimal operative segment. Can you tell us what the locally preferred alternative means? Where did that come from and what is the locally preferred alternative? >> Yes. So the locally preferred alternative right now and my understanding the voters decided on that many years ago and that goes from West Capo all the way to University of Hawaii. So that is the extent and right now if HART needs HART is only authorized the minimal operable segment and we are authorized by city council. If we if the city council so chooses to match the MOS to the LPA that would need um authorization from you folks and and mayor to authorize HART to continue to extend the existing MOS. >> Okay. And the MOS as mentioned when council member Kiana asked was from where to where? is from East Capo. East Capo to Alam Moana Center. >> East Capo. >> East Cap. So the >> But the locally preferred alternative was from West Cap. >> Correct. >> So everybody who drives by on the west side, you see the end of the rail just stop and cut off. >> Yes. >> Is that because that's where East Capo is? >> Correct. Chair. So if we wanted to get to say the shopping center or west capo, we'd have to extend the minimum operable segment. >> Correct. Yes. >> Okay. Okay. Everybody understand? Um council member toolbar. >> Thank you chair. >> Director Kina. Um do you have a budget for planning studies, evaluation, surveys, assessments in your current budget? >> No, we do not. We are not authorized to go beyond what was authorized by you folks. >> Okay. So, what is the the total projected cost of rail when completed to the civic center? >> To civic center is $9.8 billion. With financing costs, it'll be a little bit over $10 billion. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you, Council Member Corduro. Nope. Okay. Okay. Any other questions? Council member K. >> No more questions. I just We're in discussion, so I'm going to uh make my comments. Okay. >> And I appreciate >> Thank you. Uh I appreciate um council member uh dos Santos Tan's comments as well with regard to timing because for me that is my concern. I actually uh before I saw the Star Advertiser uh editorial that said approve rails worth before extension uh those were the thoughts in my mind because we're not even at Alam Moana. Uh we are about to enter into segment two and I uh would like to see um the viability of rail to through segment two and of course eventually uh to Alam Moana. Um top of mind for me is not just the overall operational costs but the maintenance costs uh that will incur and where we're going to get all the money for this. uh a lot is dependent of course on the increase of writership which I believe uh hopefully segment two will be transformational as well as the sustainability of that writership uh and uh so for me it's a matter of time council member uh dosant Tom I don't know when but it is certainly not now for me uh I'm all about planning and studies but I need to have a level of confidence that uh segment who is going to be a success because I am fully supportive of it going to Alam Moana. Maybe during uh the time that we assess the the uh success of segment two and we start planning for segment three then maybe about that time we could be looking for planning. I need to just remind everybody that I am a strong supporter of rail, but I represent a district and a constituency that has the least support for rail. So for someone in my situation, I would like to be fiscally prudent with regard to uh how we move forward. And so for that reason, I will be voting uh no for this measure. >> Thank you, Council Member Cordderero. >> Thank you. You can you can >> go ahead council member Cordderero. >> Okay. Thank you, chair. Um, as a co-introducer of the bill and as many of you all know and I have mentioned many times, I get to represent the areas that has the most rail stations. So my district um is deeply impacted not only by the amount of rail stations but the amount of highways and intersections of um different freeways and uh that come through my district whether it be by the airport by uh Lik um even the PY as well as H3 and um down down by H1 and H201 and rail not it will provide that option um moving forward um if we start to plan for that. Now I was not always a supporter of rail. Uh in 2008 I casted my first vote um ever and it was a no vote for rail. Uh now I stand here representing majority of the rail stations. I see that um and can attest to the fact that our rail system um may seem empty when people are working but uh is full of commuters very early uh early in the be early mornings as well as when people are going home. um they are filled um also during the weekends and also when people are utilizing it to go to different events um through uh whether it be in W Pahu or and in Halaba. Uh so but a lot of the questions that come come to that come to me is you know why why doesn't it touch at Pro Ridge? Why don't we go all the way to Kamaki? Why did we not um look to going to this side or that side? And a lot of the um discussions and concerns and looking at the utilities from utility utility issues that have caused a lot of these problems before would have been addressed through proper planning, proper um uh proper planning and engineering and which is basically what we are advising um through this bill uh to heart to do. And so, um, this is not giving them the money because HART does not have any ability to start looking at this yet because we need to give them that. Like, they're not going to start doing it until we say so. And so, um, this is our time to do it. Uh, once again, this doesn't give them any money yet until we plan for that. But right now this helps them to start looking at what they need to start doing the surveying assessments anything that they need any discussions that's necessary um to start looking at this for 10 15 20 years out. So thank you chair. >> Thank you council member Tolbah. >> Thank you chair. You know this bill sets policy that allow heart to begin planning for more rail before we even completed the segment we already committed to. that's premature and fiscally irresponsible. We made tough decision to shorten the rail line and set a budget. Now, we need to honor that commitment, not expand it. Taxpayers and small businesses already carried the burden of this project through years of road closures, disruption, and rising costs. The real budget has ballooned to nearly $10 billion. Bill 60 threatens to undo the cost controls we sought to establish. Once planning advances into design and entitlements, it becomes harder politically politically to say no later. We also need to confront the facts. Bus ridership remains low and transit uses usage overall has not rebounded to past expectations. Many riders say the bus used to get them where they needed to go more quickly than the current system. Instead of improving services, we've added transfers and inconvenience. The case for expansion depends on growing ridership, but we haven't reverse the decline yet. We've been told that if you build it, TLDD will follow, but development around stations has lagged far behind expectations. If we authorize more extensions now without evidence that existing system has stimulated meaningful growth, we re risk repeating the same mistakes of building rail to empty stations and underused facilities. This bill calls for more planning and preliminary engineering, but it comes with no new funding. Our capital budgets are stretched and maintenance costs are growing. Without committed funding for construction and operations, we are laying the groundwork for plans that may never be viable and expecting taxpayers to foot the bill. So, let's finish the minimum operable se segment we're currently committed to within budget with accountability and transparency. When we finish rail, let's collect real road data about ridership and costs after a full evaluation and robust community input. Then we can revisit the question of extension based on facts and not assumptions. Let's focus on finishing what we promised. Let's prove that it works. I support finishing Skyline as we promised, but we can't keep this thing um and keep asking taxpayers to write the blank checks to heart. So, no vote. Chair. Mahalo. >> Thank you, Council Member or Council Member Wy then Council Member Cordero. Um, thank you, chair. Um, wanted to first just acknowledge the frustration. I think a lot of us have seen rail get off to a bumpy start. I mean, I was going to say I think the conversation first started when I was in high school, but I know actually decades and decades of conversations have happened about rail. And so, yeah, I mean, I think a lot of folks are rightfully frustrated. I've been frustrated. Uh but as we move to a more transparent process, you know, where we're seeing, you know, the federal government releasing funds, we're seeing our executive director being recognized with national awards, we're seeing, uh, you know, just the impact on the community already occurring. I think there's potential now to recognize we want to avoid all the mistakes that have happened to date. And so, we want to set apart to be able to plan and really meet the needs of our community. And I see that happening already. I totally agree. I think um you know it's been hard for a lot of reasons that we're trying to address to develop housing and provide opportunities for our community and opportunities for small businesses. And so the more we can chip away at that and make the process simpler the better. But, you know, if we're going to be sincere in, you know, just addressing community concerns and talking about keeping the country country and preserving Roahu and providing a pathway for sustainable agriculture, we also have to acknowledge that, you know, we have to move quickly to address just the hemorrhaging of people we're experiencing and the loss of our workforce and the loss of our community ultimately as folks move away. And so, I do see rail as an opportunity for that. Um and just most recently, um you know, at the Hawaii ice station the other day when we did, uh the the farmers market through the Bloomberg challenge, both the food bank was there earlier in the day, you know, W night coast comprehensive was there uh with their big band doing blood pressure checks and they had alio services doing like the SNAP signups and then Malcolm meets and whole farms and why Paul High School youth were there from the A program selling a and the culinary program had their you know, their cookies and their cakes and then behind them is, you know, the food plants that have been planted. I mean, there's really an opportunity in a lot of ways to contribute to the vibrancy of our communities that is already happen happening and even, you know, people getting off rail um surprised and like taking videos and photos of all the the you know, the food hub and or the food pantry and the the farmers market, I should say. And um that's just like a small part of a lot of work we got to invest in and do. And so really today I I acknowledge the frustration from the past that's continuing. Encourage folks to check the heart website, look at the progress reports, um look at the documentation as as evaluations come in. And we continue to get positive feedback from the FDA and the federal government during a time when there's a lot of criticism of other states on on projects that they're doing. and um and continue to pave pathways to meet the needs of our community. So, am supportive, but just wanted to acknowledge and I that I understand the frustrations. >> Thank you, Council Member Perl. >> Thank you. Um I did in committee mention uh that I would like to have it for public hearing in Capo. I had the option of either keeping it in my committee u but I did want to uh have it out for public hearing while we are here on the west side. And I want to um request I would hope that my the members at least allow us to bring it back to committee because I do acknowledge that we do want to allow for the heart board to take it up in the uh their late October meeting as well uh because um they have not been able to calendar it then uh yet. So, I do want to um I do I did commit to uh keeping it uh in in my committee until then and um so we are here at council right now. Um so hopefully if the members could help me bring it back to committee. Uh that's my request. Um I do have to note though that um you know how are we able to determine any facts or any questions that we may have for the uh depart for the for HART um if we do not authorize them to start uh discussing this looking at what they need to um and before we start asking these questions we won't know that until uh we authorize them to do so. And this is all this bill does. And also for uh to yes it is absolutely frustrating that nimism as well as a lot of the uh long time um longtime discussions that we go through to planning um from approving the zoning through um waiting waiting it out after we approve the to plans and then going through through that process. that is a super frustrating longtime um process that we have to go through. Uh but as a staffer um formerly at the c as a former staffer at the council, uh it's been frustrating also to see the um the long the longstanding um back and forth that would happen between um the administration as well as the count as a legislative branch as well as um planning for um rail that has occurred. And I only would see that it would have been better thought out if we were able to authorize uh such planning um planning time and purposes. So once again um I request that uh if this bill would be able to go back to committee, we probably wouldn't even be able to take it up until um the end of the year um due to the timing of the heart board anyway. So mahalo. Thank you, Council Member Dos Santos Downtown. >> Thank you. And as the other co-introducer, I just want to build upon Council Member Cordderero's, you know, comments. I think the the issues that have been raised, the complaints, the frustrations, as Council Member Wire mentioned, these things are solvable. These things are imminently solvable. We ask why the TOD isn't here yet. Well, this is something we can solve. We're waiting for resoning maps to come in from DPP. We have the ability to approve those maps. We ask ourselves why the only tood that we we seem to see are high-rise towers in Alam Moana. Why is that? It's because we have an extremely complicated IP IPDT permitting system for uh projects that are along the future rail line that favors large land owners, favors those with huge resources that can go about hiring a bunch of planners to negotiate with the city over all these little details rather than smaller land owners who might want to provide, you know, smaller, more modest um housing along the rail line. Why is it that there's cost overruns and risks, unforeseen risks? Let's look at what some of those are. We've had lawsuits over property acquisition. Could we have avoided this with earlier planning? Could we have avoided this by routing it in a different way? Lori, one of the first issues that Lori had to deal with was utility relocation on Dillingham because we didn't know where all the utilities were. And when we found out it was going to be hugely expensive to run down the middle of Dillingham. So what did Lorie do? She moved the the alignment a little bit. Mala, could we have done this earlier? Could we have thought about this earlier? The only way we're going to do that earlier is through earlier planning. So, I appreciate, you know, those who think that maybe this is a cart before the horse, but I don't want us to get to 2031 and find out, well, now what and have to start from scratch. We have the ability now to solve many of these problems and we need to actually be solving them including to including the housing along the rail including reducing risk including managing the over. We have the capability of doing all of this but right now Hart does not have the capability to plan one inch beyond Alamana and one inch beyond East Capo. And if we want ever want to get to uh Monoa we have to start now. >> Thank you. And anybody who's driven by the west side of the skyline sees that it's just cut off like it it's so stark and obvious. And it would be really really great if we could extend it to at least where Department of Hawaiian Homes is, right? Or Kamakana Ali where where the shopping center is. But in order to do that, you got to extend the minimal operable segment and uh asking the transportation committee perhaps to consider that in the next committee hearing so that we can have an ending to it, not just stopped right there. That's going to cost money. We got to figure out how to pay for it, too. But uh certainly if we're going to consider extending the minimal operable statement or segment to uh we should actually consider going the other direction too. Anyway, any further discussion members? Seeing none, any objections uh noting the objections of council member Tolba and Kia. Any others? Council member Okimoto. >> Reservations. Reservations for council member Okimoto. Anybody else? Thank you. CR 319 has been adopted and bill 60 CD1 has passed second reading. Thank you members. Moving to page 13. Page 13 from the committee on budget. Council member Okimoto. >> Thank you chair. I move the committee report 302 be adopted and bill 34 2024 CD1 pass third reading. >> It's been moved and seconded. Council member Okimoto for the explanation >> relating to real property taxation. >> Thank you. We have a number of testifiers starting with Shelby Pikachu billionaire. Mahalu mahalua. This is actually bill 13 I'm testifying on. So to speed thing this up the rest of the bills all sequentially. I'm supporting all to save time. So bill 34 I support. Bill 62, father motor vehicle registration. I support bill 51, improvement districts. I support bill 52, maintenance of streams. I definitely support the bodies of water and bill 39, I support for rental housing. I do have to cut for the honorable police commissioners. But I do want to shout out to you, Chair Waters and the city council. I actually reviewed over the minutes for last minute's meeting and at the look for my name because I wasn't here. I heard you called it out, but it is documented on the paperwork. So I want to thank you all at the verified say thank you all. I am number one Ichiban for testimonies physically for us as the Ohana Unity Party. So I want to say thank you all but we have to go to Honu Police Commissions. So I want to say thank you all for everything that you guys have to do and I'd be amazed if you actually read all my testimonies. 17 times takes too long and then I got to fill out paperwork here. So thank you very much Chair Waters. Appreciate you all. You guys have a beautiful day. Thank you coming from the west side. Aloha. >> Aloha. Thank you. Next we have Suzanne Young Border Realtors. Lori Lama. Aloha. >> Aloha, Chair Waters and members of the council. Lori Lama. On behalf of Suzanne Young, CEO of the Honolulu Board of Realtors, u we are testifying in strong support of Bill 34. Um when residential A was introduced in 2014, it was designed to target high value nonowner occupied residents. At that time, the median single family home price on Aahu was less than 700,000. Today it exceeds 1 million. So as a result, many modest multi-generational properties have become classified as residential A. This measure helps realign the policy, ensuring that only high value properties without a homeowner exemption are classified as residential A, consistent with the original intent. Um, we also believe that owners whose properties are classified as residential aid for the first time should be given an additional opportunity to file for an exemption once they receive their assessment as we have found that many homeowners do not understand the exemptions available. We appreciate the coun the council's time, thoughtful consideration, and addressing these issues and uh remain committed to working collaboratively with you. Thank you. >> Thank you members. Any questions for the testifier? Seeing none. Thank you. Is there anybody else who'd like to testify on Bill 34? Mr. Clark, do we have anybody remotely? >> Yes, we do have one uh caller standing by. >> Okay, please proceed. >> Hello. >> Hello. Welcome. Please proceed. >> Hi. Thank you, council chair. Uh my name is Malia Spinda. Um and I'm going to um reiterate first of all, I just want to compliment every one of you council members. You look very um handsome and u beautiful in your formal attire. I just want to compliment you as I've been watching you on YouTube this whole morning. Um and secondly, I want to just say mahalo, mahalo, mahalo to uh council member Kiaina for pursuing this measure. Um for the past couple years, I as it's every time it's come up, I've tried to give voice as a um nonprofessional property manager a long time. um have as I've said before in the previous bill and thank you for you know hearing the voices of of those of us who try to keep our rent low enough that you know that our our tenants can survive in this very tough environment in Hawaii. And I also want to mahalo um uh Director Kowano and the budget staff. Um I know this has been a bill that you've worked hard and um probably have had a little heartache on. So thank you for you know seeing it through to this point. Um and again I you've heard my story already. I've tried to be at least a voice of a tenant or of a a p a property owner that has one tenant who I keep trying to take care of um and make sure that she can remain in Hawaii and flourishing. So, thank you for considering and I hope passing this measure. >> Thank you so much, Mr. Clerk. Do we have any other testifiers? >> Mr. Chair, that concludes the testifiers. >> Thank you. Members, we're in discussion. Council member Kia Aino. >> Thank you, uh, Chair. I wanted to thank, uh, all of the testifiers, uh, of course the, uh, Department of Budget and Fiscal Services, uh, leadership, uh, and of course the Oahu Board of Realtors. Uh this measure is timely giving the escalating cost of property land values. What this will do for many uh local families who have residential a properties uh it will not be taxed at $1140 uh until it's above uh $1.3 million. As was mentioned by a testifier, many homes exceed $1 million. So, under current law, you are taxed $4 up until the 1 million and after 1 million, it's $11.40. Uh, this will increase it for the first threshold to 1 $3 million and alleviating the tax burden for a lot of local families. With regard to transient vacation units, it will increase the threshold from 800,000 to 900,000. And of course it is lower because mo most of the TV use are apartments uh versus residential homes. And it's just uh another effort by uh you know the city council should it pass today to pro provide uh relief to our local families. Thank you. >> Thank you. Any further discussion members? Seeing none, roll call, Mr. Clerk. >> Council member Gordiero. >> I. >> Council member Dosanto Tam. >> Hi. >> Council member Kino. >> Hi. Council member Nishimoto. Hi. >> Council member Okimoto. >> Hi. >> Council member Toba. Hi. >> Council member Tupola is excused. Council member Wire. >> Hi. >> Chair Waters. >> I. >> Mr. Chair. There eight eyes. One member is absent. >> Thank you. CR 302 has been adopted. A bill 34204 CD1 has passed third reading. Moving to the bottom of page 13. Council member Okimoto. I move the committee report 303 be adopted in bill 62 2024 CD2 as amended pass third reading. >> It's been moved and seconded. Council member Omoto for the explanation >> relating to the motor vehicle registration. >> Thank you. I believe Shelby Billionaire signed up to testify but it appears that he has left the building. Is there anybody else who'd like to testify on bill 62? Seeing none, any discussion, members? Council member Toba, >> just wanted to say thank you in support. This bill provides a small but meaningful way to honor our senior veterans. Uh it's a respectful gesture that recognizes their service while easing a small financial burden. So, mahalo for the support and again, yes. Thank you. >> Thank you. Any further discussion, members? Seeing none, roll call. Mr. Clerk. >> Council member Codero. >> I. >> Council member Dos Santos Stam. >> Hi. >> Council member Kina. >> Hi. >> Council member Nishimoto. >> Hi. >> Council member Okimoto. >> I. >> Council member Toba. >> Hi. >> Council member Tupola is excused. Council member Wire. >> Hi. >> Chair Waters. >> Hi. >> Mr. Chair, there eight eyes, one member is absent. >> Thank you. CR 303 has been adopted. Bill 62204 CD2 has passed. Third reading. Moving to the top of page 14 from the committee on zoning and planning. Council member Kia Aina. >> I move that committee report 309 be adopted and bill 51 CD2 is amended past third reading. >> Second. >> It's been moved and seconded. Council member Kina for the explanation. >> Uh this uh bill relates to improvement district by amending the Fort Street Mall special improvement district number two and superseding any conflicting provisions. >> Thank you. I believe we have a few testifiers. Shelby Millionaire wasn't uh registered. Um Angela Melody Young, >> Mr. Chair, the testifier is not welcome. >> Okay. Is there anybody else who'd like to testify? >> Aloha. Welcome. Good morning, Chair Waters. And uh >> council members of uh I personally uh my name is Victor Lim and I represent the for street mall business improvement district and uh on behalf of the downtown community. We want to thank uh our council member uh Dendo Tam as well as uh council member Kina that really spearhead the zoning committee uh to bring us here today. Uh we really uh appreciate all the effort that uh a lot of the staff have provided us to bring us to this point and uh you can rest assure that we will do what's right to make this work and you'll be very proud of the downtown business improvement district. So thank you very much. >> Thank you. Is there anybody else who'd like to testify? Aloha. Please come forward. >> Hello council. Uh my name is Robbie Kelly representing Avalon Development. Uh we stand in strong support of this. I want to you know thank you all for your time in the last several months and considering this proposal. Uh this is something we believe is going to be a huge boon for downtown and we are really excited to see it uh put be put into effect soon. So thank you all for your time. Thank >> Thank you. Aloh. Hello, Chair Waters, Council Members, Mark Anthony Clemente on behalf of the Hawaii Regional Council of Carpenters in strong support of Bill 51 CD2. Stand by my written testimony, but just wanted to say really excited that it made it this far and I'm ready for the we're ready for the transformative um things that will happen with our downtown Honolulu. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Hello and welcome. Hi, my name is Wesley Starns. Today I'm here in my capacity as the chairman of the board for the Affordable Hawaii Foundation. Uh here's submit testimony in full support of Bill 51. Affordable Hawaii Foundation is a group of young professionals in downtown. We've been heading some boots on the ground initiatives to uh improve the district. Uh currently we've been working with the Fort Street Bid on uh Doho Night Market, Doho Run Club, and Doho Yoga Club with more to come. We're we're just very excited about this opportunity and I can't wait to work hard to see this club to its full potential. So, thank you. >> Thank you. >> Hello. Welcome. >> Good morning, chair council. My name is Jamie Barbosa and I am here as a resident continuing to support strongly support this bill. Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you for driving all the way out to uh Capo. Is there anybody else who'd like to testify on this measure? Seeing none. Anybody on the remote side? Mr. Clerk. >> Uh, Mr. Chair, we have none. >> Thank you. Members, we're in discussion. Council member Kia. >> Thank you, Chair. I wanted to thank uh Council Member Dosantis Tam uh for his leadership on this issue as well as the businesses and residents of downtown. I'm looking forward uh to the partnership between the city and the community. Uh, I don't believe this is just going to be a boon to downtown. It's going to be boon to our visitors and Kamina alike and Hawaii's overall economy. Quite frankly, you are the heartbeat of Oahu's economy and even Hawaii's economy. And as such, you know, when you go and work hard every day, you want to be able to go to a thriving environment where you can feel safe and you see the improvement on your sidewalks and all of the infrastructure necessary to uh have you continue to be successful for our economy. So, I just wanted to thank you for that and urge my colleagues to support this measure. >> Thank you. Any further discussion? Council member do >> just briefly. I think I've said everything that could possibly be said about the downtown bid, but I just want to thank Council Member Kina for her leadership um on this. It's uh been a you know, there's lots of stakeholders to Corral and and she's done a very good job of listening to them and balancing all of the uh concerns and moving forward a product that as you mentioned is going to be um a boon not just to downtown but hopefully to the island on the whole. So, mahalo. >> Thank you. Any further discussion members? Seeing none. Roll call. Mr. Clerk. >> Council member Cordderero. >> I. >> Council member Dos Santos Tam. >> Enthusiastically. I. >> Council member Kia. >> I. >> Council member Nishimoto. >> Hi. >> Council member Okimoto. >> I. >> Council member Talba. >> Hi. >> Council member Tupole is excused. Council member Wire. >> Hi. >> Chair Waters. >> Hi. >> Mr. Chair. There are eight eyes. One member is absent. >> Thank you. CR 309 has been adopted and bill 51 CD2 has passed. Third reading. Congratulations. Moving to the bottom of page 14 from the committee on infrastructure, transportation, and technology. Council member Cordderero. >> I would like I would I move that committee report 318 be adopted and bill 52 as it relates to the maintenance of streams and other bodies of water past third reading. >> Second. >> It's been moved and seconded. Thank you for the explanation. And is there a motion to amend? Council member Federo. >> Yes. I move that bill 52 be amended to the hand carried OCS 2025 08059/30/2025612 p.m. And um we have it uh listed uh on each member's desk, but the proposed FD1 makes the following amendments. to delete section three of the bill which amended the definition of stream in RO section 40-3.1 to clarify that lakes and ponds in the list of bodies of water that uh are included excluded from that definition only include lakes and ponds and renumber subsequent sections of the bill accordingly and B makes miscellaneous technical and nonsensive amendments. >> Thank you so much. It's been moved and seconded. Council member Gddero for the explanation. Oh, thank you for the second. >> Do we have any testifiers, Mr. Clerk? >> Mr. Chair, we had one register testifiers, but I believe he's no longer here. >> Is that Shelby Pikachu Billionaire? >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. Last call for Shelby Pikachu Billionaire. Not here. Thank you. Is there anybody else who'd like to testify? Seeing none members, is there any discussion on the motion to amend? >> Motion to amend. >> Yeah, >> please proceed. Council member Cordderero. Uh thank you um for uh the disc for this discussion on the motion to amend um once again this uh ba basically will remove um the uh inclusion of endur lakes because um under the cityowned uh areas because we do not have any such and lakes and ponds within the city city's jurisdiction. Thank you. >> Thank you. Any further discussion? Seeing none, any objections or reservations to the amendment? Noting no objections or reservations, bill 52 has been amended to the hand carried FD1. Any objections or reservations to waving council rule 19G, the 48 hour notice. Seeing none, the 48our notice has been waved. Any discussion on the bill itself, members? Council member Cordderero. >> Uh, thank you. Um, thank you members for uh taking up this bill. I do also want to mahalo the city administration, namely Director Gene Albano from the department of facility maintenance uh for uh um assisting not assisting but but being a great collaborator on what language we can do to support the department of facility maintenance and mahalo to DFM for the amazing work that they do all throughout our city. Mahalo. >> Yes, thank you. Any further discussion? Say none Mr. Council member Cordderero. >> Hi. >> Council member Dos Santos Tam. >> Hi. >> Council member Kiao. >> Hi. >> Council member Nishimoto. >> Hi. >> Council member Okimoto. >> Hi. >> Council member Toba. >> Hi. >> Council member Tupola is excused. Council member Wire. >> Hi. >> Chair Waters. >> Hi. >> Mr. Chair. There are eight eyes. One member is absent. >> Thank you. CR 318 has been adopted. A bill 52 FD1 has passed. Third reading. Thank you. Turning to page 15 from the committee on housing, homelessness, and parks. Council member Tolba. >> Move that committee report 327 be adopted and bill 39 CD1 as amended pass third reading. >> Second. >> It's been moved and seconded. Council member Toba for the explanation >> relating to affordable rental housing. >> Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Do we have any testifiers? >> Yes, sir. We had one registered testifier. I believe he's no longer here. >> Okay. Is there anybody else who'd like to testify on bill 39? 39. Seeing none, members, any discussion? Seeing none, roll call. Mr. Clerk. >> Council member Cordero. >> Oh, I. >> Council member Dos Santos Tam. >> I. >> Council member Kiaina. >> I. >> Council member Nishimoto. >> Hi. >> Council member Okimoto. >> I. >> Council member Toba. >> Hi. >> Council member Tupola is excused. Council member Wire. >> Hi. >> Chair Waters. >> Hi. >> Mr. Chair, there eight eyes. One member is absent. >> Thank you. CR 327 has been adopted. Bill 39 CD1 has passed third reading. Members, it is now 12:08. Would you like to take a break now or keep going? I got one. Keep going. >> Keep going. Okay, let's keep going. We're on the top of page 16 from the committee on budget. Council member Okimoto. >> Thank you, Chair. I move the committee report 306 and resolution 25-239 be adopted. >> It's been moved and seconded. Council member Okimoto for the explanation >> relating to real property tax compromise. >> Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Do we have any testifiers? >> Mr. Chair, we have one registered testifier, but I believe he has left. >> Okay. Anybody else like to testify on resolution 25-239? Seeing none, members are in discussion. Seeing none, any objections or reservations? Noting no objections or reservations, CR306 and resolution 25-239 has been adopted. Council member Okimoto, >> I move that committee report 307 and resolution 25-258 be adopted. >> It's been moved and seconded. Council member Okimoto for the explanation >> relating to the transfer of funds. >> Thank you, >> Mr. Clerk. Do we have any testifiers? >> Mr. Chair, we have none. Thank you. Any discussion? Seeing none, any objections or reservations? Noting no objections or reservations. CR 307 and resolution 25-258 has been adopted. Moving to the top of page 17. Council member Okimoto. >> I move that committee report 308 and resolution 25-259 be adopted. >> Second. >> It's been moved and seconded. Council member Okimoto for the explanation >> relating to the transfer of funds. >> Transfer of funds. Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Do we have any testifiers? >> Mr. Chair, we have none. >> Thank you. Any discussion on the transfer of funds? Seeing none, any objections or reservations? Noting none, reserv, excuse me, CR 308 and resolution 25-259 has been adopted from the committee on zoning and planning, council member Kiao. I move that committee report 311 and resolution 25-229 CD1 as amended be adopted. >> Second. >> It's been moved and seconded. Council member Kina for the explanation. >> This resolution grants a special management area major permit to allow for the demolition of an existing single unit dwelling and the construction of a new single unit dwelling detached garage with a recreation room individual wastewater system and other improvements in Malai Kahana Oahu. Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Do we have any testifiers? >> Mr. Chair, we have none. >> Thank you. Any discussion, members? Seeing none, roll call. Mr. Clark. >> Council member Cordero. >> I. >> Council member Dos Santos Stam. >> Hi. >> Council member Kina. >> Hi. >> Council member Nishimoto. >> Hi. >> Council member Okimoto. >> I. >> Council member Talba. >> Hi. >> Council member Tupola is excused. Council member Wire. >> Hi. >> Chair Waters. >> Hi. >> Mr. Chair, there are eight eyes, one members absent. >> Thank you. CR 311 and resolution 25-29 229 CD1 has been adopted. Moving to the top of page 18, council member Kia. >> I move that committee report 312 and resolution 25-230 CD1 is amended be adopted. >> Second. >> It's been moved and seconded. Council member Kina for the explanation. This resolution grants a special management area major permit to allow for the construction of a new single unit dwelling with covered lenai attached carport and uncovered parking spaces and the installation of a new individual wastewater system in Kahalu Oahu. >> Thank you Mr. Clerk. Do we have any testifiers? >> Mr. Chair, we have none. >> Thank you. Anybody else wishing to testify? Seeing none, any discussion, members? Seeing none, roll call. Mr. Clerk. >> Council member Cordero. >> I. Council member Doss Santos Tam. >> Hi. >> Council member Kiao. >> Hi. >> Council member Nishimoto. >> Hi. >> Council member Okimoto. >> Hi. >> Council member Toba. >> Hi. >> Council member Tupola is excused. Council member Wire. >> Hi. >> Chair Waters. >> Hi. >> Mr. Chair. There eight eyes. One member is absent. >> Thank you. CR 312 and resolution 25-230 CD1 has been adopted. Council member Kia. >> I move that committee report 315 and resolution 25-245 CD1 as amended be adopted. Second been moved and seconded. Council member Rkana for the explanation. >> This resolution grants a special management area major permit to allow for the construction of an addition to an existing single unit dwelling and the construction of a new singleunit dwelling with an individual wastewater system in Malai Kahana Oahu. >> Thank you Mr. Clerk. Do we have any testifiers? >> Mr. Chair, we have none. >> Thank you. Members, any discussion? Seeing none, roll call, Mr. Clerk. Council member Coddero. >> Hi. >> Council member Dosanto Stam. Hi. >> Council member Kina. >> Hi. >> Council member Nishimoto. Hi. >> Council member Okimoto. >> Hi. >> Council member Talba. >> Hi. >> Council member Tupola is excused. Council member Wire. >> Hi. >> Chair Waters. >> Hi. >> Mr. Chair. There are eight eyes. One member is absent. >> Thank you. CR 315 and resolution 25-245 CD1 has been adopted. Moving to the top of page 19. Council member Kia Aa. I move that committee report 316 and uh resolution 25-246C1 as amended be adopted. >> Second. >> It's been moved and seconded. Council member Kiana for the explanation. >> This resolution grants a special management area major permit to allow for the construction of a new single unit dwelling with accessory structures and improvements in Wupe Oahu. >> Thank you, Mr. Cler. Do we have any testifiers? >> Mr. Chair, we have none. >> Thank you. Any discussion members? Seeing none, roll call, Mr. Clerk. >> Council member Cudder, >> I. >> Council member Dosanto Stam. >> Hi. >> Council member Kina. >> Hi. >> Council member Nishimoto. >> Hi. >> Council member Okimoto. >> I. >> Council member Toba. >> Hi. >> Council member Tupola is excused. Council member Wire. >> Hi. Chair Waters. >> Hi. >> Mr. Chair. Eight eyes. One member is absent. >> Thank you. CR 316 and resolution 25-246 CD1 has been adopted from the committee on infrastructure, transportation, and technology. Council member Cordderero. >> I move that resolution 25-223, which provides for the acquisition of wastewater pump stations and an adjacent roadway and fee for public use situated at Moana, Honolulu, Oahu, Havaii, and determining and declaring the necess the necessity of the acquisition by eminent domain be adopted. >> Second. >> It's been moved and seconded. Thank you for the explanation, Mr. Clerk. Do we have any testifiers? >> Mr. Chair, we have none. >> Thank you. Any discussion, members? Seeing none, roll call, Mr. Clerk. >> Council member Cado, >> I. >> Council member dos Santos Tam. >> Hi. >> Council member Kiao. >> I. >> Council member Nishimoto. >> Hi. >> Council member Okimoto. >> I. >> Council member Toba. >> Hi. >> Council member Tupola is excused. Council member Wy. >> Hi. >> Chairwaters. Hi. >> Mr. Chair, there are eight eyes, one member is absent. >> Thank you. Resolution 25-223 has been adopted. Moving to the top of page 20. Council member Cordero. >> I move that committee report 321 and resolution 25-263, which requests the Department of Transportation Services to partner with the Hawaii State Public Library System to implement an 18-month pilot program for a vending machine library be adopted. >> Second. >> It's been moved and seconded. Thank you for the explanation. Mr. Clerk, do we have any testifiers? >> Mr. Chair, we have none. >> Thank you. Any discussion, members? Seeing none, any objections or reservations? Nobody. No objections or reservations CR 321 and resolution 25-263 has been adopted from the committee on housing homelessness and parks. Council member Toba. >> I move that committee report 329 and resolution 25-250 be adopted. >> Second. >> It's been moved and seconded. Council member Tolba for the explanation. >> Accepting a gift for one cooked pine tree valued at $3,000 from Laurette Welkey for the 2025 Honolulu City Light event at Honolulu Hale. >> Thank you, Mr. Cler. Do we have any testifiers? >> Mr. Chair, we have none. >> Thank you. Members, any discussion? I just like to thank Laurette Wilkkey for their generous contribution. Um, any further discussion, members? Seeing none, any objections or reservations? Noting no objections or reservations CR329 and resolution 25-250 has been adopted. Moving to the top of page 21. Council member Tulba. >> I move I move that committee report 330 and resolution 25-251 be adopted. >> Second. >> It's been moved and seconded. Uh Council Member Tolba for the explanation. accepting the gift of cash from the Hawaii Medical Service Association in amount of $4,000 to be used offset the mayor's 2025 Mayor's Craft and County Fair on November 22nd, 2025 at Neil Blazia Center Exhibition Hall. >> Thank you very much, Mr. Clerk. Do we have any testifiers? >> Mr. Chair, we have none. >> Thank you. Any discussion, members? Seeing none, any objections or reservations? Noting no objections or reservations. CR 330 and resolution 25-251 has been adopted. Council member Tolba, >> I move that committee report 331, resolution 25-252, CD1 as amended be adopted. >> Second. >> It's been moved and seconded. Council member Toba for the explanation. >> Accepting a gift to the city from one Hosiaki ice maker with ice storage bin valued at $3,000 from Dandoni Capo to be used at the Moana Community Park. Thank you, Mr. Cler. Do we have any testifiers? >> Mr. Chair, we have none. >> Thank you. Any discussion? Seeing none, any objections or reservations? Noting no objections or reservations, CR 331 and resolution 25-252 CD1 has been adopted. Moving to the top of page 22. Council member Tolba, >> I move committee report 332, a resolution 25-25 be adopted. >> Second. >> It's been moved and seconded. Council member Rotobo for the explanation. >> Accepting a gift for one cooked pine tree valued at $3,000 to the city from Chelsea Louie Louie uh for the 2025 Capo City Lights event at Capo Hale. >> Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Do we have any testifiers? >> Mr. Chair, we have none. >> Thank you. Any discussion members? Um I just like to thank the Louis family from Hina for their generous uh donation to the couple city lights event. Any further discussion members? Seeing none, any objections or reservations? Noting none. Resolution 332 and resolution 25-255 has been adopted. Moving to the bottom of page 22 from the committee on public safety, council member Tolbah. >> I move that committee report 334 resolution 25-256 be adopted. >> Second. >> It's been moved and seconded. Council member Tolba for the explanation. accepting a gift from the Honolulu Zoolological Society to the city valued at $9,300 for the transportation of two female zebras from the Glattis Porter Zoo in Brownsville, Texas to uh Honolulu Zoo. >> Thank you, Mr. Clark. Do we have any testifiers? >> Mr. Chair, we have none. However, we do have the deputy director of the Department of Enterprise Services logged on. >> Okay. If there are any questions for the deputy director. Seeing none. Um any discussion members? Noting none. Any objections or reservations? Seeing none, CR 334 and resolution 25-256 has been adopted. Moving to the top of page 23, Council Member Tolba, >> I move that committee report 335, resolution 25-267 CD1 as amended be adopted. >> Second. has been moved and seconded. Council Toba for the explanation. >> Stepped in two monetary gifts from the Honolulu Zoolological Society in the amount of $9,000 to the city for the replacement and repair of the base of the education program sign and repair of the hippoiltation system. >> Thank you, Mr. Clark. Do we have any testifiers? >> Mr. Chair, we have none. Thank you. Any discussion? Seeing none, any objections or reservations? Noting none. CR 335 and resolution 25-267 CD1 has been adopted. Moving to the top of page 24, balance of committee reports. Floor leader Kia >> 24. >> Oh, this is plenty. I move that the balance of committee reports be adopted. >> Second. >> It's been moved and seconded for leader Kia for the explanation. ITT Committee report 320, a resolution 25- uh 262 repealing the policy on the fairbox recovery ratio for the city bus system. And then ITT committee report 322, a deed conveying roadway lot 53, grant to flow easement 10 and grant to flow flowage easement 11 for public use in Eva. ITT committee report 323 deed conveying roadways lot 19886 and 19887 grant of flowage easement 1180 and grant of temporary road turnaround easements 11178 and 1179 for public use in Eva ILA committee report 324 request for authorization to settle a lawsuit against the city and county of Honolulu entitled Dolene Marquez ATL versus Victor Yonayyama atal. Uh ill committee report ILA committee report 325 request for authorization to settle set settle a lawsuit against the city and county of Honolulu entitled Marjorie Jean P. Kavahhara individually and Mark H. Kavahara and Marjgerie Jean P. Kavahhara Evoke irrevocable trust versus city and county of Honolulu at all. ILA committee report 326 request for authorization to settle a lawsuit against the city and county of Honolulu entitled Robert M. Hasteslip Atal versus city and county of Honolulu. >> Thank you Mr. Clerk. Do we have any testifiers? >> Mr. Chair, we have none. >> Thank you. Any discussion members? Seeing none, any objections or reservations? Noting no objections or reservations. The balance of the committee reports has been adopted. Moving to the top of page 25. There is no unfinished business. Turning to new business. Floor leader Kia. >> I move that resolution 25-264 be adopted. >> Second. >> It's been moved and seconded. Floor leader Kina for the explanation. This resolution accepts a gift of conference registration and lodging valued at $4,263.94 to the city from the Hawaii Executive Collaborative for the mayor and managing director to attend the Hawaii Executive Conference on the island of Hawaii October 1st to 4th 2025. >> Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Do we have any testifiers? >> Mr. Chair, we have none. >> Thank you. Any discussion, members? Noting none. Any objections? Seeing none, resolution 25-264 has been adopted. Turning to the top of page 26, for leader Kia, >> I move that resolution 25-270 be adopted. >> Second. >> It's been moved and seconded for leader Kina for the explan. This resolution accepts a gift transportation, lodging, and travel expenses to the city from the Bloomberg Harvard City Leadership Initiative in collaboration with Partners for Public Good for four staff members from the city and county of Honolulu to attend the leading city procurement reform inperson program in Cambridge, Massachusetts from October 25th to the 30th, 2025. >> Thank you, Mr. Clark. Do we have any testifiers? >> Mr. Chair, we have none. >> Thank you. Any discussion? Seeing none, any objections? Noting none. Resolution 25-270 has been adopted. Moving to the bottom of page 26. Floor leader Kia. >> I move that resolution 25-277 be adopted. >> Second. >> It's been moved and seconded. Floor leader Kia for the expert. >> This resolution relates to the transfer of funds within the Department of Parks and Recreation. >> Okay. Another transfer of funds. Mr. Clerk, do we have any testifier? >> U Mr. Chair, we have none. >> Thank you. Any discussion, members? Seeing none, any objections or reservations? Noting none, resolution 25-277 has been adopted. Moving to the top of page 27, 4 leader Kia. >> I move that resolution 25-278 be adopted. >> Second. It's >> been moved and seconded. Floor leader Kina for the exit. >> This resolution relates to the transfer of funds within the Honolulu Liquor Commission. >> Another transfer of funds. >> Mr. Clerk, do we have any testimony? >> Mr. Chair, we have none. >> Thank you. Any discussion? Seeing none, any objections or reservations? Seeing none, resolution 25-276 has been adopted. Floor leader Kiao. >> This res I move that resolution 25-279 be adopted. >> Second. >> It's been moved and seconded. Floor leader Kina for the explanation. >> Uh this uh resolution reaffirms city council support for the protection and preservation of clean water and public health. >> Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Do we have any testifiers? >> Yes, sir. We have two registered testifiers. >> I see Wayne Tanaka. >> Tanaka. >> Not logged on. >> Okay. Win Kawada. Aloha. Thank you for being here. >> Uh thank you, Council Chair, members. Irwin Kawata, deputy manager at the board of water supply. We stand on our written testimony and strong support of this resolution. Thank you. >> Thank you. Is there anybody else who wishes to testify? Seeing none, members, any discussion? Seeing none, any objections? Noting none, resolution 25-279 has been adopted. Moving to the top of page 28, floor leader Kia. >> I move that resolution 25-280 be adopted. >> Second. >> It's been moved and seconded. Floor leader Kiaina for the explanation. This resolution supports and reaffirms the Kamehameha School's mission and its contributions to the native wine community. >> Thank you, Mr. Cler. Do we have any testifiers? >> Mr. Chair, we had one registered testifiers, but he has uh left. >> Okay. Is there anybody else who wishes to testify? Seeing none, any discussion, members? Council member Kina. Um, you know, I'm um proud to support this measure, but I I need to let you know that this is probably one of the most important issues facing our Hawaiian community. And I just would highly recommend that the Kameh schools given all of the concerns raised um within our Hawaiian community and in Hawaii in general that they uh consider um you know and public engagement strategy to um educate everyone on the school's history, how important this is uh for the future of um Hawaiian Hawaii Hawaii's uh Hawaiian children who would like to attend this uh to this um to the Kameia schools you know uh all three of us chair yourself vice chair to pull and myself and all graduates and so um I just think that with the swell of support for the Kamehameha schools I think the Kameha schools themselves um need to engage a little bit more with our Hawaiian uh community and the community at large. Thank you so much. >> Thank you. Any further discussion? Seeing none, any objections? Seeing none, resolution 25-280 has been adopted. Floor leader Kia, bottom of page 28. >> I move that resolution 25-265 be adopted. >> Second. >> It's been moved and seconded. Florida leader Kina for the explanation. This relates to the inclusion of a proposal in the 2026 Hawaii State Association of Counties legislative package to affirm the authority of counties to regulate the sale of cigarettes, tobacco products, and electronic smoking devices. >> Thank you, Mr. Cler. Do we have any testifiers? >> Mr. Chair, we had one registered testifier, but it's no longer in the chamber. >> Okay, members, we're in discussion. Seeing none, any objections? Seeing none, resolution 25-265 has been adopted. Moving to the top of page 29. Floor leader Kia. >> I move that resolution 25-266 be adopted. >> Second. >> It's been moved and seconded. Council member Kiana for the explanation. >> This resolution relates to the inclusion of a proposal in the 2026 Hawaii State Association of Counties legislative package to remove the volume limit for eligible deposit beverage containers, thereby allowing all sizes of qualifying beverage containers to be redeemed and recycled through the deposit beverage container program. Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Do we have any testifiers? >> Mr. Chair, we have none. >> Thank you. Any discussion? Seeing none, any objections? Seeing none, resolution 25-266 has been adopted. Florida leader Kina, >> I move that resolution 25-271 be adopted. >> Second, >> it's been moved and seconded. Council member Kiana for the explanation. This resolution relates to the inclusion of a proposal in the 2026 Hawaii State Association of Counties legislative package to repeal county requirements related to accessory dwelling units on residentially zoned lots. >> Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Do we have any testifier? >> Mr. Chair, we have none. >> Thank you. Any discussion? Council member Wire. >> Thank you, Chair. Just going to note reservations. Uh I'll note that of course I'd be supporting inclusion of any measure that is put forward by this body to be included in HSAC package. So, just felt at this time it'd be best to um just relay my concerns or rather encouragement that I'm hopeful that we can have productive and positive dialogue um across the street on both sides with the legislature, with the um state administration, and of course at the city because I think all in all, we're aligned in our goal to house our community and provide housing opportunities. And so I really do hope that as we engage in these conversations that they are um that because I I've seen a willingness to collaborate on all sides and so hope we can grow from here into a productive uh conversation and and good policym that can really try to meet the needs of our community and just don't want anything to devolve into um you know tension or anything more than it needs to be. Thank you chair. >> Thank you. Any further discussion? Council member do Santos Town. >> Thank you chair. I'd like to echo council member Wy's comments in particular uh related to the housing uh proposals. I I'll note that the best way that we avoid the state putting impositions on us when it comes to housing is by doing the work ourselves. And we have for example sitting before DPP uh the proposal to um reform some of the apartment development standards. Council member Kina through bill 64 um really overhauled the land use ordinance and provided opportunities for people to build ADUs and ohana units and we need to continue this work so we can actually create housing and again get the state off the our back by doing the work ourselves. >> Thank you. Um, you may recall that the legislature initially wanted to allow or require us to reduce the minimum lot size to 2,000 square ft and then require two ADUs on top of uh one house on a 2,000 square foot parcel. And that ultimately didn't pass, but they still required two ADUs or allow two ADUs. So what we did was in bill 64, we said you can do an Ahalan unit and an ADU. So at least we know that a family member is going to be there. So this would just ask them to one uh recognize what we did andor uh reduce this requirement. But it's good for good discussion today. Any other discussion members? Seeing none, any objections? Noting none. Resolution 25-271 has been adopted. Next page 30, Council Member Ko. >> I move that resolution 25-272 be adopted. >> Second. >> It's been moved and seconded. Council member Kina for the explanation. uh relates to the inclusion of a proposal in the 2026 Hawaii State Association of Counties legislative package to affirm the authority of the counties to regulate the development of affordable housing. >> Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Do we have any testifiers? >> Mr. Chair, we have none. >> Thank you. Any discussion? Council member Wire. >> Thank you, Chair. Just brief reservations for the same reason. I support the conversation. Um, but just wanted to be clear that my support for the reszos is based on anticipated continued dialogue with folks across the street because I think we're aligned in terms of our goals and our values and so want to just facilitate that and support that. Thank you, chair. So, reservations. >> Thank you. Any further discussion? Council member Kia. I >> um strongly uh support this uh resolution. I assume that this also has to do with the uh 2011H process. Uh thank you for your leadership on this. Uh, chair, uh, as everyone knows during the last leg legislative sessions, um, a few members of the city council have, uh, had asked for the governor to veto, um, what became act 294, I believe, which, uh, stripped the authority of the counties uh, with regard to conditions that we could put on affordable um, 2011H projects. And I believe that while the intent was to address concerns of the processes in Maui County, they included us. And so I feel that uh the measure the the act should either be repealed or exempted for Oahu at the Hawaii State Association of Counties uh conference recently in Kona. I did pose the question to the um governor because he had asked us if you know uh basically talked to us about partnerships and I said while partnerships are important the state uh legislative leaders for h housing did not even partner with us or take our concerns into account and unilaterally stripped us of our authority. So that is not partnership and I said so that if he wants to promote partnership among the various leaders then maybe he can kua us uh as we seek a repeal or an exemption for Aahu in this coming session. So thank you for this uh insertion in the legislative package. >> Thank you. Any further discussion members? Seeing none. Any objections? Noting the reservations from council member wire. Resolution 25-272 has been adopted. Floor leader Kia. >> I move that resolution 25273 be adopted. >> Second. >> It's been moved and seconded. Council member Kiana for the expert. relates to the inclusion of a proposal in the 2026 Hawaii State Association of Counties legislative package to establish an exemption from mediation in paternity proceedings where there are allegations of domestic abuse and make other related amendments. >> Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Do we have any testifiers? >> Mr. Chair, we have none. >> Thank you. Any discussion? Seeing none, any objections? Noting none. Resolution 25-273 has been adopted. Moving to the top of page, Kia. >> I move that resolution 25-274 be adopted. >> Second. >> It's been moved and seconded. Council member Kiana for the explanation. >> This relates the inclusion of a proposal in the 2026 Hawaii State Association of Counties Legislative Package to appropriate funds to allow gun buyback events to be held in each county at least twice a year. >> Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Do we have any testifiers? >> Mr. Chair, we have none. >> Thank you. Any discussion, members? Seeing none, any objections? Seeing none, resolution 25-274 has been adopted. Council member Kina. >> I move that resolution 25-275 be adopted. >> Second. >> It's been moved and seconded. Council member Kiana for the explanation. >> This relates the inclusion of a proposal in the 2026 Hawaii State Association of Counties legislative package to fund enforcement of and public awareness campaigns on gun violence protective orders. >> Thank you, Mr. Cler. Do I have any testifiers? Mr. Chair, we have none. >> Thank you. Any discussion? Seeing none, any objections? Noting none. Resolution 25-275 has been adopted. Council member Kia A. >> I move that resolution 25-276 be adopted. >> Second. >> It's been moved and seconded. Council member Kiana for the explanation. >> This relates to the inclusion of a proposal in the 2026 Hawaii State Association of Counties legislative package to appropriate funds for the water pollution control revolving fund. >> Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Any testifiers? >> U Mr. Chair, we have none. >> Thank you. Any discussion? Seeing none, any objections? Noting none. Resolution 25-276 has been adopted. Turning to page 33. There are no items for the committee on the whole or executive session. Any announcements? Council member Cordderero. >> Thank you, Chair. Um, as the members already know that I'm the birthday person. I track everyone's birthdays. So, I do want to wish um a happy belated birthday uh just this past Saturday to Chair Waters. Um and yep, thank you. >> Thank you. >> Oh, thanks guys. Any other announcements? Council member Kia. >> Not announcements, but I just want to supplement your earlier comments be uh with regard to Vicky Chung. You know, we could not do um all that we're doing with regard to city council meetings and hearings without the city clerk's office. And so we just want to let her know that we um barely survived today without her and that um I know Darcy is going to endeavor to take over the baton and to uh continue to the good work that she's done and just to let her know that she was deeply appreciated. >> Thank you. Another fun fact that um she was the daughter of Paul Chung. Paul Chung was the last uh elected city clerk who served I believe in 1957 through 61. >> So really interesting but also yeah thank you again to Vicky Chung for her hard work. She will be missed. Okay, floor leader Kia motion to adjurnn. >> I'm sorry I was adjourning already. Um, I move that the meeting stand adjourned until Wednesday, November 5th, 2025 at 10 a.m. Second. >> It's been moved and seconded. Any objections? Seeing none, the council stands adjourned until Wednesday, November 5th, 2025 at 10:00 a.m. [Music] [Music] [Music]