This transcript features Mayor Matt Montgomery (often referred to by his nickname "Robbie"), City Administrator Jon Radermacher (transcribed phonetically as "Ron"), City Engineer Bill Angerman, and SEH Engineer Greg Anderson. [0:28] e [0:58] e [1:28] e [1:58] e [2:28] e [2:58] e [3:28] e [3:58] e [4:28] e [4:58] e [5:28] e [5:58] e [6:28] e [6:58] e [7:28] e e [8:04] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Good evening. I'll now call the City of Cannon Falls City Council meeting for Tuesday, October the 7th, to order. Roll call. [8:12] **City Clerk Sara Peer:** Johnson? (Here). [Other members respond]. [8:15] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Would you all please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Good evening, everyone. Welcome to the first city council meeting for the month of October. At this time, the chair will take a motion to approve the agenda as submitted. [8:53] **Council Member:** So moved. [8:54] **Council Member:** And I will second. [8:55] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** I have a motion by Merl, second by Bill. All those in favor? (Aye). Opposed? Agenda is approved. This time we'll move on to public input, which is item five on the agenda. Citizens may speak to issues not on the agenda. Before speaking, please give your name and address for the minutes and please limit your comments to three minutes. Is there anyone wishing to speak? [9:27] **Melinda Jabry:** Okay. Hi, Melinda and Najel Jabry. 31665th Avenue. Is that... Cannon Falls Super America. Can you not hear me? Is that mic on? [9:45] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** At the base of the mic, there's a green—there's a green light. [9:49] **Melinda Jabry:** I'll just maybe have to get closer, sorry. Thank you. So, Melinda and Najel Jabry, Super America, 31600 65th Avenue. We met with Jon Radermacher last week, and I believe he forwarded a letter that we wrote—just a brief note about what we're coming to you today regarding. As we expected, the closure of the intersection at 24 and 52 has significantly damaged our business. We've lost at least 60% of the business. We are not making money right now, so it is truly a huge struggle. We're going to try to cut costs; we've already started changing hours, reducing employee hours and those types of things so that hopefully we can stay in business. I guess our big concern right now is what happens up at that interchange. Should another station... it's so competitive right now in Cannon Falls already with two Caseys closest to us, and then there's another station as well. But for additional stations to continue to develop would just be impossible for us to compete under the current conditions and the change in the freeway. [11:06] **Najel Jabry:** Basically, it's... I lost 60% from my business and by the 15th of this month, instead of 24 hours, it will be... I close at 11:00. And I feel sorry for my employees. I have 18 employees. Half of them they gone home and some their hours reduced from 40 and 38 to 24. And also, it's not just me. If there is any new station coming in, a new development also, Mileage will go out of business. I will go out of business for sure. And even the one in the north of town on Highway 20, they will go because a bigger station will take all the business before you come in. There is even a new Caseys, it will be tough for them to make any business. So what we're asking, if possible... I try to do something before I came here a long time ago. I asked in a few cities like the City of White Bear and City of Afton about building a station and they rejected. They say we have enough stations, we don't want any more stations. So now today, that's what I've come here to ask the City and the Council about: if there is possibility to not issue any licenses in the future, not just for me, not just to save me, also to save Mileage. We don't need another three or four empty buildings in the city. It will be really tough. [13:08] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** We're still waiting on that study report on the right-offs. If that was to come to pass, do you think you would gain some of your business back? [13:18] **Najel Jabry:** Yes. And actually, I will hire another employees. Also, most my employees, they used to get all these benefits. I have no choice, I took all the benefits from them. Absolutely, I will give it back to them. You could ask Cindy, I think you know her, she's the manager. Ashley already quit. Rich... I can't afford them. I used to pay them really well. I still pay them very well compared to anybody; I pay them $18 and $16 an hour and it's really good, plus all this benefit. Even six days holidays they sit home and I pay them. But if the study comes back positive, absolutely, I mean, I could do something about it. [14:10] **Melinda Jabry:** But as we understand it now, the study is still not complete. There's not a clear ETA as to when that's going to be complete. And then after that, we still have to agree to reconstruction plans to reopen the access, and that could be a year out. I mean, that's a lot of time. [14:38] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Well, any potential new business, it would also take them a long time for construction and all that sort of stuff. It's awful hard as a city to tell one type of business, "Well, no, you can't operate in this part of town." I can't imagine some of the legal problems that might arise from doing something like that. So it would take some time and study to even consider. [15:10] **Melinda Jabry:** I don't know the legalities of it. I do know from being on the business side, looking at... we've called around to different cities where Najel found property that he's been interested in over the years, and gas stations seem to be a specific thing of their own where we have been told that cities don't want another gas station, you know, they've limited that. I don't know if that's legal or not. [15:44] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Dave, is there zoning restrictions regarding those types of businesses? [15:48] **Jon Radermacher (City Administrator):** Even in our zoning districts, we allow gas stations—motor fuel stations—in three different zoning districts. We allow them obviously in the South Corridor in the B2 District, we allow them in the limited industrial district, and we allow them in the residential business district. So we have three zoning districts in the community now that allow that kind of use by conditional use permit. I don't know the specifics of White Bear and the other cities that they've mentioned, but clearly there's ways to more significantly regulate those types of businesses through a conditional use permit process, through transportation planning... there's ways to get at it, but I think it would be a legal challenge to carte blanche just say no. [16:33] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** That's kind of what I was trying to convey. Have you guys at all thought of maybe building a facility closer to the interchange, if that's even possible for you? [16:44] **Najel Jabry:** To be honest with you, I don't have money. I have a $2 million mortgage and it's actually an SBA loan, a government loan, and it's taxpayer money and I need to pay it. I don't want to go out of business; I've been trying very hard. The most important reason I'm asking for this... if I go out of business and Mileage goes out of business, it's very tough to sell a gas station. A gas station is different than a restaurant because if you want to redevelop that station, you need to take the tanks underground and you need to be careful there is no spill. Just to take the tanks is $300,000 to dig in and recycle it and all that, and also the pump and the canopy. So most people, they run away from a gas station when it goes out of business. It's not like a restaurant where the next day you come with another restaurant and you open it. So that's my concern also. If I go out of business and also Mileage, those buildings all the time will be vacant in the city. And also, I don't want to go out of business. [18:03] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** We don't want you to go out of business, Najel. As things settle down out there and the dust kind of settles, we're hoping that... I've got thoughts, and I haven't had a chance to sit down and talk with Jon and Dave yet about ideas. It still may take time. No matter what we do, it's going to take a little bit of time finding ways to entice some type of business to that area that makes people have to go there towards your end of town to shop or whatever. I mean, the only business district we have downtown is if you want to get a haircut or get insurance or go to the grocery store. So if we could entice some type of business out that way... I mean, the Chamber of Commerce needs to start looking at it, the EDA, and the City to entice businesses to come in here in this area so that we can build up that Southside. Because that's what's going to help you to survive. At the same time, not only you, but the Subway, McDonald's—all those folks are hurting also. We've got to find a way to try to get something down there to try to help entice people to come there. If you had a place for people to come down there and shop, then you've got people who say, "Well, I've got to get gas, I've got to eat." Those things are already there. So I think you guys are doing the right steps at this time and we'll do what we can to entice something to come down that way moving forward. I know it's not easy, but we're waiting on the study and we've just got to sit back and let the dust settle and see what else we can do about growth on that end of the city. We're going to do what we can do to try to help. [19:55] **Melinda Jabry:** Thank you very much. [19:57] **Council Member Merl:** You know, about three years ago, when I was on the Planning Commission, we did a study of that area out there. If somebody comes in and wants to build, no, we can't stop them; we want to work with them, we want more investment. But yeah, we can do zoning and planning, and that's what our Planning Commission does. So it certainly is probably going to be brought up after you bringing this up about keeping the gas stations in one area so all the traffic has to come that way. But I'm most curious about—because I've got a list of another six things with the state just in the last week—I am really curious once the bumpers are out of there and everything is the way it's supposed to be, where you'll end up or what your losses are. Because right now everything is such a mess and so terrible. I'm surprised you aren't down more than what you are. When I go to McDonald's to have a quick bite and I see four people in there, or I go to Subway and we're the only two people in there... I truly see it out there. So yeah, Jon is going to work on all that stuff. We need for the state to get out of there so we have normal signage, a normal system, and to see really where you're at when that happens. The right-hand turn lanes and on-and-off lanes—we're still working on that, we're pursuing that. I feel bad that it takes so long. To give an example, I went out County Road Number One the other day and I thought, "Well, I'll have to go down that new overpass," but no, County Road One you can take a right-hand turn and go right off on it. But there's not even a blend-in lane. For the life of me, I can't understand why we couldn't keep our lanes. Everybody is banging their head against the wall. We're really burned out with this stuff and really feel bad for you. But I think once the signage and everything is done the way it's supposed to, I'm interested to see then how much your loss is at that point so we have a better judgment of things. [22:08] **Najel Jabry:** Sure. Thank you. [22:11] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Thank you very much. Thank you, Councilor. Anyone else wishing to speak under public input this evening? If not, we will move on to the consent agenda items. Items of this area of the agenda may be adopted or they may be removed and placed on the business area of the agenda for discussion purposes. Before approving, for the folks at home, I will read the consent agenda. Item A is the just and correct claims for accounting period ending October the 3rd, 2014. Item B are the meeting minutes for the September the 16th, 2014 city council meeting. Item C is downtown trees. Item D is the 2015 pool season. Item E is approve encroachment agreement for 721 Main Street West. Item F, Resolution 2099 approving a cooperative snow removal agreement with MnDOT. Item G, Resolution 2100 accepting a monetary donation for the fire department. Item H is hire Joshua Parro as a paramedic. And Item I is second reading and adoption of Ordinance 339 and summary of publication changing street names in the City of Cannon Falls. Are there any issues anyone wishes to bring down this evening? Seeing as there are none, the chair will take a motion to approve the consent agenda as submitted. [24:14] **Council Member Merl:** So moved. [24:15] **Council Member Bill:** I will second. [24:17] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** A motion by Merl, second by Bill. All those in favor? (Aye). Opposed? Carries. Moves on to Item 7, Council Business. Resolution 21001 ordering feasibility report for the River Road public improvement project. [24:34] **Jon Radermacher (City Administrator):** I can take that. In September, the Public Works Commission fielded a request from Carol Le Stock. She has a failed septic system at her property at 1014 River Road. The commission had been looking at this potential situation for a couple of months prior. In essence, she does not have enough technically speaking space to really put in a replacement septic system on-site. So she's requesting consideration for the City to install a sanitary sewer line. Greg Anderson from SEH can kind of expound on the project or potential project and maybe some costs. [25:56] **Greg Anderson (SEH Engineer):** Yeah, those who don't know, she's the second house north of City Hall here. Back in 2007, we did River Road from 20 up to City Hall and just past the driveway. That was mostly a street and drainage project. We replaced the force main from the lift station down the road but didn't extend utilities because at that time the City had purchased the lot directly north of the parking lot. Now that's city land. Where she sits, she shares a well with her neighbor, and that's part of the issue with finding space to site an on-site system. She just can't get far enough away from the river and the well. There is a water line that comes down around the house to the hydrant, so there's water near there that could serve those two houses plus the third house up at the intersection of St. Clair. The thought would be we look at all three because all three of them have on-site systems now. There's two options: we go to the north, but the nearest sewer manhole is in that little triangle north of Egg Partners. It's possible that we could tie on the south side of St. Clair and maybe come this way a little bit with gravity. The other option would be to come down to the manhole just east of City Hall on the east side of River Road. That manhole is probably only four or five feet deep. When we did River Road, we encountered rock right out here at the north entrance to the city parking lot within two feet. So coming to the south, I think there'd be some challenges with the rock. Going to the north, we may have challenges with the rock too just because of where we are with the river. Either way, if it's not a lift station, there'd need to be some sort of pumping, whether it's an in-house one for each person or one combined unit for the three. [28:46] **Council Member Merl:** I've got a couple things, Robbie. The one thing on this: I think we need to move ahead with it and at least do some soil borings to find out where we're at because without that, we don't have a clue what we're going to be able to do. The one thing I do have a problem with is that I see no reason to go with curb and gutter. That street down there is probably about 16 feet wide. There is some question how much right-of-way we've got on the sides. We probably are going to end up having to dig the whole street up, but to go back in there with curb and gutter and the water main basically for two houses... that street is never going to be a high-traffic street. I would rather have the options of separate quotes: the sewer, the water, and also to just stick with a 2-3 inch blacktop over the top and go back the way it is. I cannot see going back with curb and gutter and that kind of expense for two houses and no buildable lots down there. [29:58] **Greg Anderson (SEH Engineer):** There's three houses there. [30:00] **Council Member Merl:** The one's on top of the hill though, and their main road is kind of out the other way. [30:04] **Greg Anderson (SEH Engineer):** Right, but the third house, their driveway is also on River Road. I think we have to plan for all three houses eventually. [30:13] **Council Member Bill:** Part of a feasibility study, you would have things like curb and gutter broken down anyhow so that we could at a later date decide yay or nay on that. [30:25] **Greg Anderson (SEH Engineer):** We can come back with however the Council directs. If you want a cost just to get the sewer in and put the street back, or if you want water and sewer, or rebuilding the street with curb and gutter, we can give it to you three ways. [30:42] **Council Member Merl:** I think that's a good thing for the Council to consider. This is an 8-inch well with a big steel lid on it and a steel valve. The water thing is an option we should consider, but mostly she can't sell her house unless she has the sewer project done. I think whatever we can do to help move this along is a good thing and we should plan for all three houses. [31:13] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** I think that's what we should do. We've got the entire city to take care of, not one person. Okay, at this time, the chair will take a motion to adopt the resolution ordering the feasibility study and breaking it down into the three: water, water and sewer, and water, sewer, and curb and gutter. [31:36] **Council Member Merl:** So moved. [31:37] **Council Member Bill:** I'll second that. [31:39] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Have a motion by Merl and a second by Bill. Any further discussion? All those in favor? (Aye). Opposed? Carries. Moves on to Item 7B, the feasibility report for the 2015 Westside 2 Street Improvement project. [31:58] **Jon Radermacher (City Administrator):** At an earlier council meeting, you had directed Mr. Anderson to put together a feasibility report for the 2015 West Side 2 improvements. That was supplied to us within the last few days. Total amount of the total project cost was a little over $3.8 million. In light of that, I opted to just put it on this agenda as discussion only for Greg to go through the project. Then we can have some discussion on how you want to proceed—whether you want to proceed with ordering an improvement hearing for the whole project, if you want to split the project up, or other options. The Public Works Commission did discuss it at their meeting prior to tonight. Some of the points of discussion were to break it down into two components, or perhaps delaying the whole project for a year, possibly with the unknown of the right-in/right-out activities or potential construction on 52. [34:13] **Council Member Bill:** We also discussed just tabling it for this meeting and bringing it back at a later meeting with a resolution. [34:19] **Jon Radermacher (City Administrator):** Right. And for formality's sake, because of the 429 process, the feasibility report, if you're going to accept it, should be accepted by resolution. There is not a resolution in the packet. We could do that in the second meeting in October and still stay on track for bidding this early spring. Maybe Greg will go over the project scope. [35:46] **Greg Anderson (SEH Engineer):** Evening, Mayor and Council. Before you is the feasibility report for the Westside 2 project. In 2009, the City authorized a Capital Improvement Plan that identified six major reconstruct projects: Westside 1, East Side 1, East Side 2, Westside 2, and then the two northern projects. In 2011, the City completed the Westside 1 project. This past year, we finished East Side 1. Following the schedule in the 2009 report was to do a project every other year. So 2015 would be the Westside 2 project. Working backwards from a schedule for bidding in late winter, we needed to bring the report tonight for Westside 2. It includes Hoffman between Dow Street and 6th Street, Mill Street between Dow and 7th, Park between Floyd and 8th, and then portions of 8th and 9th and Floyd. Currently, the water and sewer mains in the project area are older clay sewer and 4- and 6-inch ductile water main. Most are near the end of their lifespan. We had a water main break in front of the hospital this past winter. The streets were rated on a scale of 0 to 10; most were a six down to a three or a four. Mill and Hoffman both have either bituminous curb or no curb. Other than Park Street, there is no storm sewer. Those of you who've been by the hospital after a rainstorm can see where the water just kind of sits. Figure 4 gives you a lay of the land. In blue would be the streets that would see improvements. The blocks shaded in yellow—the water, sewer, and storm sewer haven't had reported issues. We'd look at lining the sanitary sewer in those blocks and doing a mill and overlay. Park Avenue would be a full replacement with new curb, gutter, and street. I also show the last two blocks of sidewalk on the north side of Hoffman that the report recommended. The estimated assessments for the reconstruct portions—about 116 units—works out to about a $6,100 assessment. Compare that to 2013 where we had a $6,400 assessment. After construction on the East Side, the assessments were just under $5,000. So the assessments are tracking with what we've seen in the past. It's just the rest of the project cost that the City has to cover that is a big bite right now. If we wanted to move ahead, an improvement hearing in November would allow us to open bids in February and start construction in late April. [47:06] **Council Member Merl:** The one thing, Greg, I forgot to ask you today was that alley down behind Marvin Law. There's a low spot in that alley where there's always a water problem. We told them a couple years ago that we would definitely deal with that when the rest of this came along. Is that on your list? [47:19] **Greg Anderson (SEH Engineer):** Yep, in the storm sewer figure, there were improvements going up north of Hoffman into that alley to pick up that low area. [47:37] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** The only thing I would say—and I think I'll speak for Merl on this a little bit—is we wanted to maybe table this until our next meeting when Jon would have a resolution to accept the feasibility study. [47:58] **Jon Radermacher (City Administrator):** Yeah, had I anticipated that you would want to move forward tonight, I would have had it, but I knew it was a short time window. We could have that available for the next meeting. [48:32] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** And then at that time we could discuss further. Would we like to break the project up into two pieces? Do we want to delay it slightly? There are a lot of questions. I'm thinking at this point that, you know, with everything that's going on with the interchange, with the dust not settled, not knowing whether we're going to have to come up with money to pay for the right-on/right-offs... it might be a time to sit back and really think about if we really want to do this in 2015. If not, push it out to '16 to see where our finances are. I think right now we've got to look at whether we want to go in debt any further. We've got to see what's going on out there before we start bonding more and bonding more. Taxpayers... everything else is going up but their paychecks. [49:55] **Council Member Merl:** We did discuss that at Public Works as a possibility. But if he comes forward at our next meeting with just a resolution to accept the report, that does not obligate us to do anything. The only thing that would change if we decide to delay would be the cost figures, and as we all know, nothing ever goes down. That's kind of what Public Works was looking at. Then we factor in that we don't know what's going to happen on the south end, and we may need the money for that if MnDOT allows us to. I'm just not comfortable with pushing it off too far. [50:47] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** I agree we've got to watch our pennies. At least move forward at our next meeting with approving the study. I hope we have that other report by November. [51:17] **Council Member Bill:** I guess I would make a motion to table this then till our next council meeting with a resolution to approve the study. [51:24] **Council Member Merl:** I'll second that. [51:26] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** A motion by Bill and a second by Merl to table. [51:30] **Jon Radermacher (City Administrator):** So what I'm hearing is I could present the resolution to accept the feasibility report. You likely don't want to set the improvement hearing because that's a painful process for the residents. Without knowing exactly when you're moving forward, I won't include that. [52:56] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Are we going to ask Greg to split the project above Highway 19 and below? [53:01] **Jon Radermacher (City Administrator):** That wouldn't be a lot of effort. I could give that to you for the next meeting. [53:13] **Council Member Merl:** Robbie, one thing is there's no doubt because of the age of the infrastructure that we need to keep this on the front burner. But I can't help but think about the pool project got set off for another year. If the turnabout comes up out there, that's probably another half to a million dollars. When we planned all this three years ago, we didn't see all this other stuff coming at us. Until we know how it's going to affect our taxes and where the budget is, I think we should table it. I would also like to see us do it in two sections instead of one big project tearing the whole area up. [54:49] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** I think it's a good time to table it. All those in favor? (Aye). Opposed? Thank you. Thanks Greg for the work on that. That moves us on to reports. I don't have a lot here, I just wanted to update you all that the Troll Haven Park—we're reassembling that now and by next week we should have that back in use again. We had a one month delay because some parts were shipped wrong. [55:49] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Tom [Tony Haan], I got your email today and while we've got you here... the junk that you're finding out in the compost area... I think people at home should know that's not a junkyard. It's to get rid of old brush, trees, tree stumps. It's not a dumping ground for tires and your garbage. If it doesn't improve, we're going to have to go back to setting hours and putting somebody out there to watch it. Right now it's something that's free to the citizens. [56:34] **Tony Haan (Streets/Parks Supervisor):** We'll be addressing that on Facebook and on the city website and in the paper as well. [56:42] **Jon Radermacher (City Administrator):** Two things quickly. The infrastructure replacement project in front of Rob's Bistro at 3rd and Cannon Street is under construction and hopefully will be done next week. Second thing is staff continues to meet with MnDOT following up on the Ombudsman process related to the signage. We're making some progress, but there's room for more. We'll continue to push MnDOT towards a cooperative arrangement to truly figure out signage. [57:31] **Jeff McCormick (Police Chief):** A few things. Building off of what you said, Mr. Mayor, it's not an area for dumping tires and garbage. I'd like to remind the citizens if they see that happening, please contact us. Get the license plate of the vehicle if you can in a safe manner. Also, last week was homecoming week. The weather worked to our advantage in keeping some of the shenanigans down, although it would have been nice to have it let up for the game. We were able to collect several donations of toilet paper from our local students running around town and we'll be donating that to our food shelf. Regarding signage, all the signs are in place for the city roads with the name changes. We are patiently waiting for MnDOT to remove the barrels on 52. [59:36] **Jon Radermacher (City Administrator):** Well, one of my favorite topics since day one that I started here is the water in the library. We are still having issues. American Engineering Testing was out today. They have removed the 20 feet of sidewalk on the southeast side of the library and it's all dug out ready for review of the waterproofing by the contractor's insurance agent. The saga continues. Justin [Padgett] said that they should be doing to the west of that also. [1:00:32] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** We just don't sign off on it until... [1:00:35] **Jon Radermacher (City Administrator):** Oh, no way. [1:00:46] **Council Member:** I got a few state comments tonight. The one thing I noticed that just drives me crazy: if you come off the roundabouts out there and you're coming into the new highway into town, there's no speed limit. It just seems strange if you talk about safety. When they fixed the road in front of Cannonball out there, they put two signs that said "Road Closed" but it made it look like the county road was closed when actually it was just the road in front of the business. I also don't know why that cul-de-sac went in there. I don't know why you would have cars do a 180-degree turn and shine their headlights out on the highway where people are doing 70 miles an hour. Jon, was that cul-de-sac put in by the county or the state? [1:03:32] **Jon Radermacher (City Administrator):** State. [1:03:34] **Jeff McCormick (Police Chief):** The state. [1:03:36] **Council Member:** It just... the list just keeps getting bigger. And these people tonight that were here with their businesses, I know we all feel for them. I can't believe they opened that overpass without the signage up there for how to get to these places. One person said he got a bill for $367 from the state for signage. Why did you take the stoplights out and then wait three weeks to get your striping done? We aren't going to have a true number on what this overpass does until they get the heck out of there and we get a normal traffic flow. [1:05:19] **Council Member:** I had a couple concerns about lighting by the old hospital. On Floyd and Mill Street, the one light pole is starting to tip back. And the two lights on the backside coming out of the alley of the old hospital... people are asking about getting them taken out because they're shining in the windows of houses. [1:06:04] **Jon Radermacher (City Administrator):** We could suggest that to XL, but they deal with those. [1:06:14] **Council Member:** Is the Mayo Clinic leaving them on? I think those two lights are right along the street by the hospital. [1:06:58] **Jon Radermacher (City Administrator):** I think within the next month, other than alarms, all utilities will be cut by Mayo. [1:07:07] **Council Member:** I've had quite a few people talk about bikes on the sidewalks—what's for or against getting them off? Tonight I almost got run over. [1:07:37] **Jeff McCormick (Police Chief):** Business districts are sort of a unique animal. Typically most of the riders on the sidewalks are going to be children. Because two of the major roads to our downtown are state highways, I think that displaces some of the riders onto the sidewalks so they're not with the traffic. We can take a look and see if there's anything we can do education-wise or as a last resort, enforcement-wise. [1:09:07] **Council Member:** And Tom [Tony Haan], do you have troubles with the trash down by the recycle bins too? [1:09:13] **Tony Haan (Streets/Parks Supervisor):** The county takes care of it, so I can't say it's us, but yes. Somebody will sneak a TV or tires. The biggest is someone will bring all their baby diapers in and throw them in the park. We try to get right on it when we see it. [1:09:50] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** I don't have anything other than to say good job by the cable guys the other night. The football game was on live so anybody that didn't want to get out in the cold could stay in a warm place. Good job by Sam Singh and the cable department. This time the chair will take a motion to adjourn. [1:10:24] **Council Member:** Move. [1:10:54] e