. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HOPE EVERYBODY IS WELL-FED AND NOT FALLING ASLEEP. I CALL IN TAMPA CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE. >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE. >>LUIS VIERA: HERE. >>BILL CARLSON: HERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE. >>CLERK: YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OUR NEXT ITEM IS REQUEST FOR THE YOU CAN LEG FOR RECONSIDERATION OF LEGISLATIVE MATTERS. MR. SHELBY, A COMPELLING REASON NOT TO MOVE RIGHT TO A PUBLIC HEARING OR GO HERE FIRST? >>MARTIN SHELBY: MY SUGGESTION IS TAKE THE RECONSIDERATION AT THIS TIME. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY. ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC HAVE A REQUEST FOR PUBLIC FOR RECONSIDERATION OF LEGISLATIVE MATTERS MR. AS I APPROACH THE PODIUM. STATE YOUR NAME. >> MY NAME IS SCOTT MacCLAREN, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. I AM WITH HILL WARD HENDERSON 3500 BANK OF AMERICA PLAZA WITH TYLER HUDSON ON BEHALF THE APPLICANTS WITH THE MAGNOLIA COURT HOTEL PROJECT. NOT HERE AS A MEMBER OF PUBLIC WE ARE HERE AS THE APPLICANT. AND WE ARE REQUESTING RECONSIDERATION LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT NUMBER 24-11. AND WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT TODAY. WE ARE JUST ASKING THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER AT A SUBSEQUENT HEARING A RECONSIDERATION OF YOUR DECISION. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS WE BELIEVE COUNCIL WAS INSTRUCTED NOT TO CONSIDER THE IMPACT OF THE STATE LIVE LOCAL ACT ON THAT APPLICATION. WE BELIEVE THAT WAS IMPROPER. IT IS UNDISPUTED THAT THE LIVE LOCAL ACT APPLIES TO THE PROPERTY. THAT A LAND USE DECISION CAN BE MADE APPROVING MULTIFAMILY ON THAT SITE ADMINISTRATIVELY. AND THAT IN MAKING A DECISION ON THE LAND USE PLAN APPLICATION, REALLY, THERE ARE TWO CRITICAL ISSUE THAT HAVE INVOLVED. FIRST IS, WHAT DO THE CURRENT REGULATIONS AND LAWS ALLOW FOR DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE VERSUS WHAT IS PROPOSED, RIGHT. THAT IS THE ANALYSIS. AND, AGAIN, THE LIVE LOCAL ACT APPLIES TO THE PROPERTY, BUT COUNCIL WAS INSTRUCTED THAT THE LIVE LOCAL ACT SHALL NOT BE PART OF THE CALCULUS THAT YOU SHOULD CONSIDER IN MAKING YOUR DECISION. AND ALSO IMPORTANTLY, I LOOKED AT THE STAFF REPORT ON THIS APPLICATION. AND THE STAFF REPORT OF NOVEMBER 2024 CONTAINED NO ANALYSIS OF LIVE LOCAL. LIVE LOCAL APPLIES TO THE PROPERTY. IT IS THE LAW. IT IS A LAND USE REGULATION THAT APPLIES TO THE PROPERTY. SO TODAY WE ARE SIMPLY ASKING COUNCIL FOR RECONSIDERATION NOT ON THE MERITS TODAY, BUT JUST TO GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY AND GIVE YOURSELVES THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER WHAT WE THINK IS A MATERIAL ISSUE IN MAKING YOUR DETERMINATION. AND REALLY SO WE JUST WANT COUNCIL TO HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION. IF AFTER PRESENTATION OF THAT INFORMATION YOUR DECISION IS THE SAME, YOU KNOW, SO BE IT. BUT WE THINK HAVING ALL OF THE INFORMATION BEFORE COUNCIL IS CRITICAL. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. SHELBY, THIS IS A FIRST. CAN YOU PROVIDE SOME CLARIFICATION? LET'S HEAR FROM COUNSEL -- THE CITY ATTORNEY FIRST? >> MAY I, CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL. SCOTT STEADY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT. I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE FIRST TIME IN FRONT OF YOU SINCE I TOOK JOB. UP EXPECT TO BE HERE MORE OFTEN AFTER THIS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET'S TRY TO MAKE THAT NOT HAPPEN. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, CHAIR. YESTERDAY I SPOKE WITH SCOTT AND TAYLOR -- TYLER, EXCUSE ME, ABOUT THIS MATTER YESTERDAY AFTERNOON. AND PART OF THE DISCUSSION WAS REALLY ASKING -- WHICH I APPRECIATE TO KIND OF REVIEW THE RECORD AND SEE IF I CONCURRED WITH WHAT THEIR POSITION WAS. SO LAST EVENING AND THIS MORNING, I TOOK THE TIME TO PRETTY MUCH GO THROUGH THE TRANSCRIPT. AND SCOTT AND I HAVE KNOWN EACH OTHER A LONG TIME, BUT A COUPLE OF THINGS. I REALLY -- I CAN GO IN MUCH MORE DETAIL. I HAVE A MUCH LONGER PRESENTATION IF YOU WOULD LIKE, BUT, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK HE HAS MISCHARACTERIZED WHAT WAS SAID BECAUSE REALLY WHAT MISS CATE WELLS SAID AND I WILL JUST REPEAT IN A COUPLE OF LOCATIONS, I ACTUALLY DON'T THINK TALKING OF LIVE LOCAL IS A APPLICABLE DISCUSSION POINT. ALSO APPLICANTS TALKED OF WHAT ELSE CAN BE DONE HERE IF YOU DON'T APPROVE THIS APPLICATION. WELL, THEY COULD POSSIBLY BE EFFECTIVE IN PURSUING COUNCIL, I.E. THE LIVE LOCAL ACT. SO IT WASN'T -- HER FOCUS WAS NOT REALLY, IN MY OPINION WHEN I READ IT, IS YOU CAN'T CONSIDER IT. IT WAS ON WHAT SHOULD YOU CONSIDER. AND WHEN YOU ARE CONSIDERING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH WAS A LEGISLATIVE ACT THAT ADOPTED A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. YOU MAY NOT HAVE ADOPTED IT, BUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS BASICALLY THIS COUNCIL'S PLAN OBVIOUSLY TO PLAN THE FUTURE OF TAMPA. AND THAT PROVIDES THE RULES, POLICIES, DIRECTION TO YOU HOW YOU GO ABOUT MAKING THOSE DECISIONS. AND MISS WELLS POINTED OUT DURING THE HEARING, FOR INSTANCE, THAT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT SAYS, YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT WHY IS THE CHANGE REQUIRED. WHAT HAS CHANGED FROM THE PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL PREVIOUSLY TO WHERE -- WHERE YOU ARE GOING NOW. AND THAT IS REALLY THE FOCUS. THERE IS NO QUESTION WHAT HAS CHANGED. AND I RECOGNIZE LIVE LOCAL HAS -- IT IS A HUGE CHANGE. IT IS AN EARTHQUAKE CHANGE, BUT IT IS NOT WITHIN THE DISCUSSION POINT, IT IS NOT WHAT YOU SHOULD BE CONSIDERING AS MISS WELLS SAID WHEN YOU ARE CONSIDERING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO I REVIEWED IT. IF I AGREED WITH THEM, I WOULD BE HERE AGREEING WITH THEM, BUT I DO NOT. I THINK THAT THE DIRECTION WAS CORRECT. I BELIEVE IT WAS MISREPRESENTED -- I AM NOT SAYING INTENTIONALLY BUT I WOULD CHARACTERIZE IT DIFFERENTLY. SHE WASN'T SAYING YOU CAN'T CONSIDER IT. IT WAS THAT THE CORRECT ANALYSIS DOES NOT SUBSTANTIALLY ADDRESS LIVE LOCAL. AND I THINK SHE GAVE THE CORRECT DIRECTION ON HOW YOU CONSIDER A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO YOU CERTAINLY HAVE THE RIGHT TO RECONSIDER THIS. I AM NOT SUGGESTING YOU DON'T. I AM NOT HERE TO SAY YOU DON'T. I AM JUST SIMPLY SAYING I DISAGREE WITH THE BASIS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I MAKE A STATEMENT OR ASK A QUESTION? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THING IS A QUESTION TIME BECAUSE I WANT TO HEAR FROM MR. SHELBY FIRST. >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST A REMINDER OF HOW MOTIONS TO RECONSIDER WORK. MAY I TAKE THE TIME TO DO THAT. JUST A FEW MINUTES. THIS IS IN COUNCIL'S RULES OF PROCEDURES. UNDER PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURES. WE DON'T NEED TO TALK ABOUT ANY TIME THERE IS A RECONSIDERATION WE NEED TO HAVE A FULL COUNCIL PRESENT. BUT THAT DOESN'T APPLY. NEXT SECTION, 4-E SAY AS MOTION TO RECONSIDER AN ACTION OF THE COUNCIL SHALL ONLY BE BY A MEMBER WHO PREVIOUSLY VOTED ON THE PREVAILING SIDE AND SHALL BE MADE ONLY AT THE SAME MEETING OR THE FIRST SUBSEQUENT REGULAR MEETING, WHICH THIS IS. A SECOND TO THE MOTION MAY BE MADE BY ANY MEMBER. AND BEFORE YOU CAN CONSIDER DEBATING ON WHETHER TO VOTE IN FAVOR OR AGAINST THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER, THE THRESHOLD QUESTION IS, IS THERE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER. THEN YOU CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, ON THE MERITS OF THAT DEBATE. >>LUIS VIERA: QUESTION ON THE ISSUE. MAY I? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: DO YOU WANT TO GO FIRST? WELL, THE QUESTION FOR MR. STEADY OR MR. SHELBY. I CAN'T MAKE IT, OF COURSE, BUT COULD IT BE A NARROWLY TAILORED MOTION OR DOES IT HAVE TO RECONSIDER AND ENTIRELY NEW HEARING WITH BACK AND FORTH PUBLIC HEARING. OR NARROWLY TAILORED TO THE LIVE LOCAL ACT? >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE MERITS THEMSELVES, THE ISSUES THEMSELVES ARE NOT GERMANE FOR A MOTION TO RECONSIDER. A MOTION TO RECONSIDER IS A THRESHOLD MOTION. AND IF IT IS MADE BY SOMEBODY ON THE PREVAILING SIDE, SECONDED BY ANYBODY AND IT DOES PASS. UNDER ROBERTS RULE OF ORDER BRINGS THE ORIGINAL MOTION OF THE CASE TO DENY BACK TO THE FLOOR IN ITS PRESENT STATE. >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY, I SEE. IT WOULDN'T REQUIRE A WHOLE NEW HEARING. MERELY REVOTING? >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO. IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL FACTS. AND IF YOU WISH TO -- IT DEPENDS HOW IT IS PRESENTED, BUT IF THERE IS A RELEVANT ISSUE, YOU CAN CERTAINLY ZERO IN ON THAT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A WHOLE NEW HEARING. >>LUIS VIERA: THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING. IF THAT MOTION IS TO BE MADE, CAN BE IT MADE IN A NARR NARROWLY TAILORED WAY. WISH TO INQUIRE ON THESE SPECIFIC ISSUE IS WHAT I AM HEARING. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I UNDERSTAND, MR. MacCLAREN -- GIVE HIM A MINUTE. MR. MACLAREN, IF I CAN, IF I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION THEN, IT IS YOUR INTENTION TO ASK FOR RECONSIDERATION IN THE ARENA OF A SPECIFIC ISSUE THAT YOU WISH TO HAVE ADDRESSED? YOU ARE NOT ASKING FOR ANOTHER FULL HEARING ON -- ON -- OR ARE YOU? THAT'S FINE TOO. >> I THINK THE -- THE RECORD THAT WAS PRESENTED PREVIOUSLY WOULD BECOME PART OF THE RECORD HERE. WE DON'T INTEND TO STAND UP AND DO THE SAME DOG AND PONY SHOW. WE BASICALLY WILL PUT INTO THE INFORMATION AND THE COMMENTS FROM EVERYONE THAT WAS ALREADY MADE AND WE WOULD SUPPLEMENT THAT WITH LIVE LOCAL INFORMATION. AND WHATEVER OTHER INFORMATION MAY COME TO LIGHT BETWEEN NOW AND THE HEARING. >>LUIS VIERA: THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. STEADY, YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY? >>MARTIN SHELBY: BEFORE -- SORRY, MR. STEADY. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. McCLAREN. >> I WAS CURIOUS WHAT HE WAS GOING TO SAY. I AM FINE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE IS ANOTHER RULE THAT IS UNDER YOUR MEETING SECTION, RULE 3-B-12 THAT SAYS AS FOLLOWS: "REQUEST BY PUBLIC FOR RECONSIDERATION OF LEGISLATIVE MATTERS: AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY OF TAMPA'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INCLUDING TEXT AMENDMENTS ARE NOT SUBJECT TO RECONSIDERATION." NOW THAT BEING THE CASE, WHAT THAT WOULD SEEM IS -- IF YOU CHOOSE TO RECONSIDER IT UNDER THIS -- THIS READING, WHAT I JUST READ TO YOU, THERE IS -- THE ASSUMPTION WAS THAT IF COUNCIL WANTED TO WAIVE ITS RULES TO STILL HAVE A DEBATE WHETHER TO RECONSIDER, IT COULD WAIVE ITS RULE BY A SUPERMAJORITY. MR. MACLAREN, DID YOU WANT TO TALK TO THAT? >> IF I COULD, THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, SO THE RULE PROVIDES SPECIFICALLY THAT REQUESTS BY THE PUBLIC FOR RECONSIDERATION OF LEGISLATIVE MATTERS, INCLUDING LAND USE PLAN MAP AMENDMENTS, OF COURSE, ARE NOT SUBJECT TO RECONSIDERATION. BUT THE -- THE PREFACE TO ALL OF THAT LANGUAGE IS "REQUEST BY THE PUBLIC FOR RECONSIDERATION." AND WE AS THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, ARE IN A DIFFERENT POSITION THAN THE PUBLIC. WE ARE THE APPLICANT UNDER THIS APPLICATION AND NOT SIMPLY JUST A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC. SO WE HAVE -- WE DON'T THINK THE RULE APPLIES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. STEADY, DO YOU -- MR. STEADY, DO YOU -- >> I WILL ACTUALLY DEFER TO MARTY ON THAT. I THINK THIS IS HIS ARENA. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. SHELBY? >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT -- AGAIN, THIS IS UNUSUAL IN THE SENSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT HAS BEEN RAISED BEFORE. SO I AM NOT GOING TO PASS ULTIMATELY ON THE MERITS OF WHETHER I AGREE OR DISAGREE. COUNCIL DOES HAVE A CHOICE. IF IT CHOOSES TO WANT TO RECONSIDER, IT CAN DO ONE OF TWO THINGS. YOU CAN ACCEPT MR. STEADY'S ARGUMENT OR BY FIVE VOTES WAIVE THE RULE. EITHER WAY, I CAN'T SAY -- I JUST GAVE YOU A PLAIN READING, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THIS IS A LEGISLATIVE MATTER. I WILL ALSO STATE THAT IT IS TIED TO A QUASI JUDICIAL MATTER THAT WAS ON THE AGENDA FOR THE SAME EVENING. SO, THEREFORE, AS AN APPLICANT, HE IS AN APPLICANT TO THIS, BUT AS A PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS, IT IS -- WHILE IT IS A NEW ARGUMENT, I THINK IT IS ONE THAT I WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS, IN FACT, IMPOSING UPON HIM AS AN APPLICANT A GREATER BURDEN THAN IT WOULD BE FROM A MEMBER OF PUBLIC BECAUSE THEY HAVE CERTAIN PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS THAT ATTACH. THAT IS A LONG ANSWER. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. STEADY, I THINK WE NEED AN ANSWER FROM THE CITY WHAT IS DEFENSIVE AND NOT DEFENSIVE. >>BILL CARLSON: MAY I ASK, I HAVE A QUESTION. >> WE ARE TALKING OF THE COUNCIL'S RULES HERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BUT WHAT IS THE DEFENSIBLE, WHAT IS PUBLIC? IS THERE A -- DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE -- DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE A RIGHT THAT IS NOT DEFINED IN THAT RULE? >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST WANT TO HEAR THE RULE AGAIN. THAT'S ALL I WANT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: STAND BY. WE WILL GET TO IT. I PROMISE. >> CAN I GET TO THE ELMO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PLEASE. WE WILL GET TO IT. >> YES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: PUT ON THE MONITORS. ON THE COUNCIL'S MONITORS. >> 3-B-12 RIGHT THERE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: CAN YOU ZOOM IN, IF THAT IS POSSIBLE. >> EVERYBODY SEE THAT? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES. >> IF THE COUNCIL IS LOOKING AT IT, JUST TO REITERATE. I AM TRYING TO RESPECT WHAT OUR POSITION IS AND MARTY'S, AND I REALLY DO -- I AM HAPPY TO ALWAYS GIVE AN OPINION, BUT I THINK THIS IS MARTY'S ARENA FOR HIM FRAME AND DECIDE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MY POSITION IS, IF YOU HAVE AN OPINION, SPEAKING AS CITY ATTORNEY FOR THE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION, ACTING AS THE CITY'S INTEREST BOTH IN CITY COUNCIL AND THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE CITY AS A WHOLE, THEN I CERTAINLY THINK COUNCIL WILL BENEFIT FROM YOUR OPINION IN MAKING ITS DECISION. >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I ASK A QUESTION WHILE HE IS THINKING ABOUT THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. TWO MINUTES TO THINK. >>BILL CARLSON: TWO QUESTIONS WHILE YOU ARE MULTITAXING. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT MR. MACLAREN PUT FORWARD. MY RECOLLECTION THAT THE APPLICANT'S ATTORNEY FULLY EXPLAINED TO US THAT LIVE LOCAL WAS A RESPONSIBILITY. WE ALL KNOW WHAT LIVE LOCAL IS. THERE ARE LIVE LOCAL PROJECTS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA. WE ARE AWARE OF THE LEGISLATION. I DON'T -- SO MY FIRST QUESTION, HOW COULD IT POSSIBLY BE A DEFICIENT RECORD WHEN THE APPLICANT'S ATTORNEY FULLY WENT THROUGH IT, DESPITE THE FACT THAT OUR ATTORNEY SAID WE SHOULDN'T CONSIDER IT, WE ARE AWARE OF IT. THE SECOND QUESTION -- I WILL ASK BOTH AT THE SAME TIME. SECOND QUESTION IS, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THE PROCESS IS FOR LIVE LOCAL? I THINK THE POINT THAT MISS WELLS WAS MAKING IT IS A SEPARATE PROCESS ALL TOGETHER. FIRST OF ALL, IF I RECALL, YOU HAVE TO HAVE 40% AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND SO COULD YOU -- IF THE -- IF IT IS TRUE AND I AM ASKING IF IT IS TRUE AND WHAT THE PROCESS IS. IF IT IS TRUE THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PROCESS, THEN -- THEN IT SEEMS TO BE MOOT. THEY CAN APPLY FOR LIVE LOCAL NOW. THEY CAN ALLY TO LIVE LOCAL WHATEVER WE CHANGE IT TOO. LOCAL IS A SEPARATE PROCESS ALL TOGETHER AND WE'RE WARE OF IT AND THE APPLICANT MADE ITS CASE, IT IS NOT REALLY RELEVANT TO THE DECISION MADE IN THIS CASE. WHETHER WE APPROVE IT OR NOT, THEY CAN AUTO US LIVE LOCAL. >> FIRST OF ALL, I AGREE WITH BOTH OF YOUR POINTS. REVIEWING THE RECORD, IT WAS DISCUSSED. YOU WERE AWARE OF IT. CLEARLY MISS WELLS, THOUGH, SAID MORE -- NOT TO CONSIDER IT, BUT THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD CONSIDER. I THINK THE RECORD REFLECTS THAT. SO THAT IS WHERE I DISAGREE SHE DIDN'T SAY NO, IT WAS MORE THAT THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD BE CONSIDERED FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. >>BILL CARLSON: DIDN'T MEAN WE DIDN'T CONSIDER IT, JUST THAT WAS HER RECOMMENDATION. CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THE PROCESS IS FOR LIVE LOCAL? >> LIVE LOCAL, FRANKLY, I NEVER HAVE DONE A LIVE LOCAL. A TOTALLY SEPARATE PROCESS. AND I AM HAPPY IF SOMEBODY ELSE WITH STAFF KNOWS, BUT IT IS A TOTALLY SEPARATE PROCESS. BUT I AM NOT THAT FAMILIAR WITH IT. >>BILL CARLSON: THEY WOULDN'T HAVE USED THIS PROCESS OR THIS ACTION TO APPLY FOR LIVE LOCAL. >> THE WHOLE IDEA WITH LIVE LOCAL, IT CUTS THROUGH THE LOCAL PROCESS. IT IS AN ALTERNATIVE TO IT BY THE STATE TO BASICALLY SAY IF YOU ARE -- I DO KNOW ENOUGH TO KNOW IT IS A SEPARATE PROCESS PROVIDED BY STATE STATUTE TO PROVIDE FOR HOUSING, BUT ALSO ALLOWS AVOIDANCE OF CERTAIN LOCAL GOVERNMENT REQUIREMENTS. AND IT IS A PROCESS THAT YOU CAN PURSUE EITHER OPTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WILL TELL YOU PRIOR TO THIS HEARING KNOWING THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN AN ISSUE, I ACTUALLY REQUESTED THAT LEGAL BE PREPARED TO HAVE SOMEBODY HERE TO SPEAK TO LIVE LOCAL AND THAT DID NOT OCCUR. THAT WAS REALLY FRUSTRATING THAT EVENING, BY THE WAY, FYE. I ASKED SOMEBODY TO BE HERE AS A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT AND THEY WERE NOT HERE. >> I APOLOGIZE CAS CARLSON STILL, MY POINT IF YOU AGREE A SEPARATE PROCESS ALL TOGETHER. IF THEY WANT LIVE LOCAL NOW. CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS TO -- TO CERTAIN LIMITATIONS FOR APPLYING TO LIVE LOCAL. ANY PROPERTY OWNER CAN APPLY FOR LIVE LOCAL, THEY HAVE TO MEET THE 40% AFFORDABLE HOUSING REQUIREMENT AND EVERYTHING ELSE. >> RIGHT, AGREED. >>BILL CARLSON: THIS PROCESS. THAT WAS IRRELEVANT TO THIS PROCESS BECAUSE A SEPARATE APPLICATION ALL TOGETHER. >> AGREED. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: SO MR. SHELBY, IF I AM CORRECT AT LOOKING AT THIS THAT WAS PUT ON THE WOLF, OUR RULES SAY THIS IS NOT SUBJECT TO RECONSIDERATION UNLESS WE VOTE WITH A SUPERMAJORITY TO WAIVE OUR RULES. DO I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY? >>MARTIN SHELBY: SAYS WHAT IT SAYS, YOU GO GENERALLY YOU HAVE A SECTION OF WAIVER THAT ALLOW TO YOU DO THAT WITH A SUPERMAJORITY VOTE. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S WHAT I JUST SAID SHELBY TWO SEPARATE EXCEPTIONS. BUT THE SHORT ANSWER IS YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DISAGREEMENT WITH THE LAW FROM THE APPLICANT AND NOT A DEFINITIVE ANSWER FROM THE CITY WHETHER THE REQUEST FROM THE PUBLIC -- THE PUBLIC IS CONSIDERED AN APPLICANT. WE DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT. CAN YOU ALL TAKE A SIDEBAR TO RESOLVE THAT ISSUE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: FIVE-MINUTE SIDEBAR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN THE CITY TAKE A SIDEBAR TO HAVE AN OFFICIAL OPINION. MAYBE CONSULT WITH SOMEBODY -- IF THE PUBLIC AS THE APPLICANT? >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE QUESTION -- THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT -- WHETHER OR NOT I OPINE TO IT. IT IS TO COUNCIL'S RULES AND THE QUESTION IS IF COUNCIL'S RULE EFFECTS A SUBSTANTIVE RIGHT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T RULE CORRECTLY, THEY MAY HAVE A CALL TO ACTION. >>LYNN HURTAK: MY POINT IS SIMPLY TO ASK. THIS IS A RULE AND IN ORDER TO SUSPEND OR WIFE OUR RULE WE HAVE TO HAVE A SUPERMAJORITY, THE ANSWER WAS YES AND THAT'S ALL I WANT TO KNOW. I THINK WE CAN CALL THE QUESTION, RIGHT. DOESN'T SOMEONE WHO VOTED OPPOSITE OF THE -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TO WAIVE THE RULES COULD BE ANYBODY. >>LUIS VIERA: SO -- >>LYNN HURTAK: SO WE NEED -- SO IN ORDER TO GO ANY FURTHER, WE NEED A MOTION TO WAIVE THE RULES. >>LUIS VIERA: MA'AM, BEFORE I MAKE THAT MOTION WHICH I AM PREPARED TO MAKE. ISSUE IS, DOES A REQUEST -- DOES THE PARTY -- IS THAT THE PUBLIC? THAT IS THE -- THAT IS THE HE SHALL AUTO YOU IN DISPUTE BEFORE WE SEE IF WE NEED A SUPERMAJORITY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: ANSWER IS, IF A SUPERMAJORITY EXISTS, THE ISSUE BECOMES MOOT IN THIS CASE -- >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY. IT SAYS "REQUEST BY THE PUBLIC FOR RECONSIDERATION OF LEGISLATIVE MATTERS." OKAY. TO OVERRULE THAT, WE NEED A SUPERMAJORITY, BUT FOR THAT TO COME INTO EFFECT, IT HAS GOT TO BE THE PUBLIC ASKING FOR RECONSIDERATION. DOES THE APPLICANT, ARE THEY CONSIDERED THE PUBLIC? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: POINT OF LAW. >>LUIS VIERA: THAT IS THE ISSUE. I SUGGEST BEING EFFICIENT ABOUT IT. NUMBER ONE, TO SEE IF THEY ARE A MEMBER OF PUBLIC. ARE THEY THAT. IF WE ARE GOING TO WAIVE IT OR REQUIRED TO WAIVE IT. IF WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO WAIVE IT WE WILL SEE IF SOMEBODY ON THE WINNING SIDE IS WILLING TO MAKE THE VOTE. TWO-STEP PROCESS. >>MARTIN SHELBY: CAN I HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO CONFER WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE WILL BE IN RECESS AND RECONVENE AT 2:16. [RECESS] CLENDENIN WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE CITY COUNCIL BACK TO ORDER. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE. >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE. >>NAYA YOUNG: HERE. >>LUIS VIERA: HERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE. >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. SHELBY, YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MARTIN SHELBY, CITY ATTORNEY. FOLLOW ALONG WITH ME IF YOU CAN, IF THERE IS QUESTION OR CONFUSION, LET ME KNOW. RIGHT NOW WE ARE ARGUING, CONFERRING. AND I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK IN PRIVATE WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY SPECIFIC TO THIS PROVISION AND WHAT IT SAYS FOR PURPOSES OF THIS LORD 3-B-12, SUBJECT OF DISCUSSION REQUEST BY THE PUBLIC FOR RECONSIDERATION OF LEGISLATIVE MATTERS. UNDER THE "MEETINGS" SECTION OF THE RULES OF PROCEDURE. SAYS AMENDMENTS: TO THE CITY OF TAMPA'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INCLUDING TEXT AND MAP AMENDMENTS ARE NOT SUBJECT TO RECONSIDERATION. NOW IF YOU GO TO THE ORDER OF BUSINESS UNDER RULE 3-B-2, IT LISTS THE ORDER OF BUSINESS AND MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU ARRIVED AT IT THIS AFTERNOON. AND WE ARE TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT 2-G, REQUEST FROM THE PUBLIC FOR RECONSIDERATION OF LEGISLATIVE MATTERS. THAT IS THE POINT OF THE PUBLIC -- THE POINT IN YOUR MEETING WHEN CITY COUNCIL ENTERTAINS MOTIONS -- OTHER EXCUSE ME, MOTIONS OF REQUEST FOR RECONSIDERATION. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED TODAY IN THIS CASE. THIS WAS THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR CITY COUNCIL TO TAKE UP THIS ISSUE. MR. MACLAREN'S CLIENT ALSO HAPPENS TO BE AN APPLICANT. BUT BY READING OF THIS, WHAT IT REALLY TAKES IT TO MEAN IS THIS IS THE POINT IN TIME THAT THOSE OTHER THAN MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL WHO WERE HERE TO BE MEMBERS PUBLIC. MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND MEMBERS OF PUBLIC. A TIME WHEN MEMBERS OTHER THAN CITY COUNCIL CAN BRING UP A MOTION TO RECONSIDER. SO IT IS MY DETERMINATION AFTER CONSULTATION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY THAT REQUESTS BY THE PUBLIC FOR RECONSIDERATION OF LEGISLATIVE MATTERS REFERS TO THE PUBLIC AS "THOSE OTHER THAN CITY COUNCIL" WHO UNDER YOUR RULE CAN BRING UP YOUR OWN MOTIONS TO RECONSIDER EITHER DURING THE MEETING OR AT THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING. ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE. >>LUIS VIERA: CLARIFICATION. YES, SIR, SO IN OTHER WORDS, RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE TO ASK FOR RULE WAIVER. AND THE REQUISITE RULE WOULD BE TO RECONSIDER BY SOMEBODY ON THE WINNING SIDE. IS THAT YOUR OPINION? >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO, SIR. >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY, THEN -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: ANYBODY CAN MAKE THE MOTION TO WAIVE THE RULES. WHEN IT COMES TIME FOR TO RECONSIDER, BECAUSE IT IS A TWO-STEP PROCESS. THE WAIVER OF THE RULES SAY RULE 9-A, THESE RULES -- NO, THIS IS 9-B, ANY OF THE FOREGOING RULES MAY TEMPORARILY BE SUSPENDED FOR THE MEETING SESSION BY A SUPERMAJORITY VOTE OF FIVE OR MORE MEMBERS UNLESS SUCH WAIVER IS IN CONFLICT WITH THE CITY CHARTER OR STATE OR LOCAL LAW. I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH ANY PROVISION OF THE CITY CHARTER OR LOCAL LAW THAT APPLIES. THIS A THRESHOLD. IF YOU WANT TO GET TO WHETHER OR NOT TO RECONSIDER, YOU NEED FIVE VOTES IN THE AFFIRMATIVE MADE NAYA YOUNG MEMBER BOTH BY ON THE PREVAILING SIDE OR NOT TO WE HAVE A THE RULES SO YOU CAN GET TO THE POINT OF RECONSIDERING A DECISION, A VOLT, ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IS THAT UNLESS A MEMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL REQUESTED TO RECONSIDER? BECAUSE THAT WOULDN'T BE A PUBLIC. SO A MEMBER OF CITY COUNCIL COULD RECONSIDER. THIS WOULD BE JUST A MAJORITY VOTE? >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, I THINK THE RECORD IN THIS CASE MAKES IT CLEAR THAT IT CAME TO COUNCIL'S ATTENTION BY SOMEBODY APPEARING AT THIS POINT IN THE AGENDA, WHICH IS A RECONSIDERATION BY THE PUBLIC OF LEGISLATIVE MATTERS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IF COUNCIL DECIDED TO ADOPT THIS CAUSE. SHELBY SHE WILL JUST AS USUAL AND YOU HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE DURING THIS PROVISION. ON COUNCIL'S MOTION ULTIMATELY BUT AT THE REQUEST OF A PARTICULAR PARTY WHO STAND UP HERE AND REQUESTS IT. >>LUIS VIERA: MAY I ASK ONE QUICK QUESTION. IF LYNN -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: SO, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WASN'T THERE A STATEMENT THIS WOULD NOT BE IMPLICATED BECAUSE REQUEST BY PUBLIC FOR RECONSIDERATION, IS THE PARTY A MEMBER OF PUBLIC? >>MARTIN SHELBY: OUR DETERMINATION IS THE ANSWER IS YES. BECAUSE EVERYBODY -- AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION VERY SPECIFICALLY, EVERYBODY OTHER THAN A MEMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL IS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ASKED AND ANSWERED. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I BE HEARD ON THAT ISSUE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET ME RECOGNIZE COUNCILMAN CARLSON FIRST AND THEN REVISIT YOU. >>BILL CARLSON: MARTY, IF WE DON'T MAKE A MOTION, NOTHING HAPPENS. WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION AGAINST IT OR MAKE A MOTION TO PASS IT OR WE DO NOTHING. WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO IT. WE EITHER MAKE A MOTION IN FAVOR OF IT OR MAKE NO MOTION, CORRECT? >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF THERE IS NO MOTION TO WAIVE THE RULES, NOTHING YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION ON. >>LUIS VIERA: CAN I MAKE A MOTION. MR. MACLAREN WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING AND I MAKE A MOTION TO WAIVE THE RULES AND I WILL TAKE IT THOSE WHO VOTE FOR THIS WAIVER OF THE RULES WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF A RECONSIDERATION BY THE WAY, SO I DO MAKE THAT MOTION IF I HAVE A SECOND, AND I KNOW MR. MACLAREN WANTED TO SPEAK AND LEAVE IT UP TO YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. BUT THAT IS MY MOTION. >>MARTIN SHELBY: SORRY, THERE WAS A MOTION THAT WAS MADE. IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AM THE CHAIR. HE WANTED TO SPEAK -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU DON'T WANT A SECOND BEFORE -- >> MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WANT TO POINT OUT THE WORDS "PUBLIC" AND THE WORDS "APPLICANT" ARE USED DIFFERENTLY AND SEPARATELY THROUGHOUT YOUR RULES. THERE IS A PUBLIC TIME -- TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND TIME FOR THE APPLICANT COMMENT. SO WE BELIEVE THAT THE PUBLIC IT YOU NOT REFER -- IT REFERS TO SEPARATE. THE RIGHTS ARE DIFFERENT. IF THE APPLICANT GETS APPROVAL FROM THE COUNCIL, THEN THE APPLICANT CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH A DEVELOPMENT. IF -- IF THE RULING IS IN FAVOR OF THE PUBLIC, THAT IS NOT TRUE. SO THE RIGHTS ARE DIFFERENT. I WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, WE OBJECT. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION. >>LYNN HURTAK: IS YOUR MIC ON? [ INAUDIBLE ] >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS, MOTIONS TO RECONSIDER ARE REQUIRE -- AND YOUR RULE STATES THAT AND SO DOES ROBERT'S RULES. MOTION CAN ONLY BE MADE BY SOMEBODY ON THE PREVAILING SIDE AND IN THIS CASE IS SOMEBODY WHO SUPPORTED THE VOTE TO DENY, BUT WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU NOW IS JUST A MOTION TO WAIVE THE RULES TO SEE IF YOU CAN EVEN GET TO THAT POINT. THIS IS A THRESHOLD QUESTION. SO BUT THAT REQUIRES FIVE VOTES, A SUPERMAJORITY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. A SECOND? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I SECOND IT BECAUSE I WANT TO FINISH THIS DISCUSSION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. >>LYNN HURTAK: STATE WHAT THE MOTION IS. >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, A MOTION TO -- WE HAVE BEEN ADVISED THIS RULE IS IMPLICATED A REQUEST FROM THE PUBLIC AS RECONSIDERATION OF LEGISLATIVE MATTERS. AMENDMENTS TO THE TAMPA'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND TEXT AMOUNTS ARE NOT SUBJECT TO RERECONSIDERATION. MY MOTION IS TO WAIVE THE RULES TO POTENTIALLY HAVE A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION. THAT IS MY MOTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. >>LYNN HURTAK: NO. >>NAYA YOUNG: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: NO. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES. >>CLERK: MOTION FAILED DUE TO LACK OF MAJORITY VOTE. YOU NEED FIVE. HURTAK, CARLSON AND MANISCALCO VOTING NO. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. ENJOY THE REST OF YOUR AFTERNOON. WE ARE NOW MOVING TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA. WE HAVE THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE. >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR, I HEREBY MOVE -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THESE PEOPLE ARE HERE FOR A TIME CERTAIN, AND IN FIVE MINUTES WE HAVE -- WE HAVE OUR -- I GOT STUFF TO SAY. IT IS NOT GOING TO BE FIVE MINUTES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET'S IS IT I CAN TO THE AGENDA. >>LYNN HURTAK: THESE FOLKS HAVE BEEN HERE AND THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE HEARD AT 1:30. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IF THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL TO CHANGE THE AGENDA. I NEED A MOTION. >>LYNN HURTAK: MAKE A MOTION TO HEAR THE 1:30, ALTHOUGH WE ONLY HAVE FOUR MINUTES UNTIL WE HAVE TO HEAR THE 2:30. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A DOMINO EFFECT. IT WILL BE A DOMINO EFFECT. YEAH. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. >>LUIS VIERA: WHAT IS THE MOTION? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE MOTION TO HEAR THE 1:30 HEARING NOW BEFORE WE HEAR ANYTHING ELSE. >>LUIS VIERA: QUESTION ON THE MOTION, IF I MAY. WAS THERE A SPECIFIC. SO -- I WAS OUT LAST WEEK, DID WE AGREE TO HAVE IT AT 1:30? SO THIS IS A WHAT I AM GOING TO DO. SINCE THAT REQUEST WAS MADE BEFORE THE REQUEST FOR LOCAL 7754, I WILL SUPPORT IT BECAUSE THAT PROMISE WAS MADE BEFORE. WHAT I WILL ASK FOLKS IS, SINCE WE HAVE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, LET'S GO WITH SOME VIGOR. THAT'S ALL I AM SAYING TO BE RESPECTFUL TO OTHER PEOPLE. SINCE THAT WAS SCHEDULED BEFORE, I CAN RESPECT THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO TO OPEN UP THE 1:30 HEARING. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. THE AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY. CAN I GET A MOTION TO OPEN UP PUBLIC HEARINGS. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SO MOVED. >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. AYES HAVE IT. IF YOU WERE HEARING IN THE -- SHELBY SHE WILL SORRY, MR. CHAIR. IS THE MOTION -- FORGIVE ME. I MAY HAVE BEEN DISTRACTED. YOU SAID PUBLIC HEARINGS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS. IF YOU ARE HERE IN THE PUBLIC AND YOU ARE PLANNING TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY TO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS TODAY, PLEASE STAND -- WHAT'S THAT? PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND BE SWORN IN BY OUR CLERK. >>CLERK: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. [SWEARING IN] >> I DO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND HERE WE GO. NEED TO GO BACK ON THE PAGE FOR THE 1:30s. OKAY. WHO IS GOING TO PRESENT? >> I THINK MISS POPE IS ONLINE. >>STEPHANIE POPE: STEPHANIE POPE, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOLD ON, LET'S GET OUR I.T. FOLKS TOGETHER. STEPHANIE, WERE YOU SWORN IN? >>STEPHANIE POPE: YES, SIR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE SEE YOU NOW. >>STEPHANIE POPE: STEPHANIE POPE, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION. ITEM NUMBER 47 IS REZ 25-117. THIS ITEM ORIGINALLY BROUGHT BEFORE YOU FOR SECOND READING ON FEBRUARY 5, 2026. THIS ITEM IS A REZONING REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY 4202 WEST SPRUCE STREET. THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE FROM RS-50 AND PD TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR TROPICAL DEPRESSION MULTIFAMILY. REVISIONS WERE COMPLETED AND CERTIFIED PLANS SUBMITTED TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE. NO WAIVERS AS PART OF THIS REQUEST. THE APPLICANT MET WITH THE COMMUNITY AS DIRECTED BY COUNCIL AND IS HERE TOO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF MISS POPE? HEARING NONE. APPLICANT. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, ALEX SCHALER, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE. IS A COUPLE OF SLIDES I WILL RUN THROUGH PRETTY BRIEFLY. I WANT TO START OF THE EVOLUTION OF THIS PROJECT. THIS HAS CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY SINCE THE INITIAL FILING BACK IN 2024. AND I THINK THAT I FOCUS A LOT DURING THE FIRST READING ON THIS CASE AND HOW THOSE CHANGES RESULTED IN OUR ABILITY TO REMOVE ALL OF OUR PREVIOUSLY REQUESTED WAIVERS. SO THAT IS STILL THE CASE. THIS FINAL PLAN BEFORE YOU IS COMPLETELY WAIVER-FREE. IT IS 100% CODE COMPLIANT, BUT I THINK I FAILED TO TOUCH ON THE FACT THAT A LOT OF THOSE CHANGES, WHILE THEY REMEDIED INCONSISTENCIES FROM STAFF, THEY ADDRESSED A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED AT OUR DIFFERENT MEETINGS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SOME CONCERNS ORIGINALLY THAT THE BUILDING WAS TOO HIGH. WE LOWERED THE BUILDING HEIGHT ADJACENT TO THE SINGLE-FAMILY TO FOUR STORIES. THERE WERE CONCERNS THE BUILDING WAS TOO CLOSE TO THE RESIDENTIAL HOMES. WE PROVIDED THE 35-FOOT CODE COMPLIANCE SETBACK. THAT SETBACK IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE WEST SHORE OVERLAY DISTRICT, SPECIFICALLY FOR PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO SINGLE-FAMILY. THIS WAS CONTEMPLATED IN THE WRITING OF THE OVERLAY THAT THERE WILL BE COMPATIBILITY CONCERNS WITH MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS AND SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOMES. ORIGINAL PROPOSAL HAS A DRIVE AISLE LOCATE ALONG THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE. THERE WERE CONCERNS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD RAISED ABOUT NOISE. PEOPLE DRIVING THERE ALONG THEIR FENCE LINES AT NIGHT. WE COMPLETELY REDID THE INTERNAL CIRCULATION OF THE SITE. AND PROVIDED THAT AREA NOW WITH GREEN SPACE. THIS -- THE ACCESS PORTION EXTERNALLY, THAT WASN'T EVEN BROUGHT UP BY STAFF. YOU HEARD IN SOME TESTIMONY A COUPLE OF WOULD EX-AGO AS WELL AS WITH THE PRIOR PROPOSAL THAT THERE IS SOME CONCERNS WITH TRAFFIC IN THIS AREA. THIS IS A CONGESTED AREA. BUT A LOT OF THOSE CONCERNS WERE LOCALIZED TO LOIS, UNDERSTANDABLY SO, THE ACCESS POINT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE TOOK THE ACCESS POINT AND MOVED IT TO SPRUCE. ALL OF THE PROJECT'S ACCESS ALONG SPRUCE, LOADING AND SERVICE AND FULL ENTRANCE AND EXIT FOR THE RESIDENTS. I THINK THERE CAN BE SOMETIMES A MISCONCEPTION IN THAT WHEN FOLKS SHOW UP HERE AND TAKE TIME OUT OF THEIR DAY, WHICH IS -- I KNOW IT IS A LOT TO COME HERE, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, WITH A LONGER AGENDA. AND I THINK THERE IS A MISCONCEPTION THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN AN OPEN LINE OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE APPLICANT OR THE DEVELOPER AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND MOST OF THE TIMES, THAT IS NOT THE CASE AND IT IS ESPECIALLY NOT THE CASE HERE. WE MET WITH THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION FIRST BACK IN AUGUST OF 2024. THAT WAS ALMOST A YEAR AND A HALF AGO WHEN WE CAME FORWARD WITH THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL. SENSE THEN THE DEVELOPER HAS MET WITH EITHER THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION BODY OR WITH BOARD MEMBERS OF THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION FIVE DIFFERENT TIMES THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF 2025. LATEST MEETING OF WHICH WAS TUESDAY OF THIS PAST WEEK. AND CHRIS MURMAN THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SPECIFIC MEETING BUT I WOULD BE NAIVE TO SAY WE ARE NOT AWARE OF FURTHER ISSUES BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE STILL CONCERNS FROM THE PUBLIC AND WE HAVE DONE OUR BEST TO ADDRESS THOSE. AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND COUNCIL WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW OF THE APPLICATION BEING PRESENTED, FULLY CONSISTENT ACROSS THE REVIEWING DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY AS WELL AS SXHEETLY WA-- COMPLETELY WAIVER-FREE AND CODE COMPLIANT. THAT'S IT AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, YOUR LIGHT IS ON? NO QUESTIONS? VERY GOOD. ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WISHES TO SPEAK TO THE ITEM. FIVE AT A TIME SO PEOPLE CAN BE COMFORTABLE. LINE UP FIVE AT A TIME TO THE WALL TO THE RIGHT AND WE WILL CALL YOU UP. IF YOU APPROACH THE TO HE HAD YUM -- SPEAKER WAIVER FORMS -- WE DON'T DO -- OH, WE DO. IF YOU HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM, PRESENT IT TO OUR ATTORNEY, MR. SHELBY AND BACK TO THE PODIUM AND START WITH YOUR NAME AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. EVERYBODY START WITH YOUR NAME. YOU ONLY HAVE TO LINE UP FIVE AT A TIME SO YOU GUYS STAY COMFORTABLE. EACH PERSON GETS THREE MINUTES SO YOU NEED TO BE AS COMFORTABLE AS POSSIBLE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND WHEN -- MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY. WHEN YOU GIVE ME THE SPEAKER WAIVER FORM, I AM GOING TO ASK THAT THE PEOPLE WHO PLACED THEIR NAME ON THE SPEAKER WAIVER FORM VERBALLY SO I CAN HEAR IT ACKNOWLEDGED THEIR PRESENCE SO I CAN CHECK OFF YOUR NAME AND GIVE THE SPEAKER AN EXTRA MINUTE FOR EACH ONE OF THE THREE MINUTES. MISS SUTTON HAS TWO NAMES. LANSELA MORTIMER. SPEAK UP, I SEE YOU. MAURICE GREENE. TWO ADDITIONAL MINUTES FOR A TOTAL OF FIVE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. START WITH YOUR NAME AND YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES. >> REMEMBER RON CA SUTTON. A 23-YEAR RESIDENT OF CARVER CITY AND IN OPPOSITION OF REZ 25-117. DURING THE FEBRUARY 5 COUNCIL MEETING RRP YOU WERE TOLD THAT OUR CLAIMS OF SINKHOLE ACT ISTIVITY AND SEVERE CRACKING AND FOUNDATION CONCERNS WERE PURELY SPECUL SPECULATIONS RECEIPTS TO SHOW IT IS VALID. MY PROPERTY WAS REMEDIATED. WE HAD 36 HELICAL PIERS UNDER OUR HOME. $43,295. IN 2010, WE HAD AN ADDITION PLACED ON OUR HOME, WHICH INCLUDED ANOTHER 12 HE 12 HELICAL PIERA ADDED FOR ANOTHER $14,000. PAGE 5-7. ON PAGE 1-7 YOU SEE THE RECEIPTS AND YOU SEE THE DESCRIPTION OF THE WORK. ON PAGE 8 IS THE CITY OF TAMPA SUBSIDENCE MAP THAT DENOTE GRADUAL SINKING OF LAND AREA. THE MAP, ALONG WITH THE PICTURES PROVIDED, WILL SHOW VISIBLE SEVERE CRACKING, FOUNDATION CONCERNS AND SINKHOLE REMEDIATION INFORMATION. IF YOU LOOK ON YOUR MAP. WE WILL START HERE WITH THE PROPERTY ON 1908 WEST LOIS. THERE IS CRACKING, AND THIS IS ONE YEAR AFTER CORRECTIVE MEASURES WERE TAKEN. 4203, WHICH IS MY HOUSE, SHOWS THE OFFICIAL REMEDIATED SINKHOLE PRO PROPERTY. 42 07. DAMAGE MEASURES WERE TAKEN. ACROSS THE SITE 4206, A OBSERVED LAND SUBSIDENCE IN THE FRONT YARD -- A DEPRESSION IN THE FRONT YARD THAT KEEPS GETTING BIGGER. GO TO 4214, OFFICIAL RECORD OF A UNREMEDIATED LAND SUBSIDENCE. IF YOU LOOK AT 4218, OFFICIAL RECORD OF REMEDIATED LAND SUBSIDENCE. 4210, PAGE 10 OF YOUR POCKET, SEVERE WALL CRACKS, SINKHOLE REMEDIATION WAS COMPLETED THERE BETWEEN 2005 AND 2007, AND IT IS STILL NOW HAVING SEVERE WALL CRACKING. 4222 WEST UNION, OBSERVED CRACKING ON THE STRUCTURE. WE GO TO MAY STREET, WHICH IS C DIRECTLY BEHIND ANOTHER APARTMENT COMPLEX. OBSERVED INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR CRACKING PER OWNER. 4305 WEST MAIN STREET, WE HAVE PICTURES. THE HOUSE IS INHABITABLE. OBSERVED INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR DAMAGE. 4307, OFFICIAL RECORD, UNREMEDIATED LAND SUBSIDENCE. 4317 WEST MAIN STREET, PAGE 13, YOU HAVE THE PICTURE, OFFICIAL RECORD OF REMEDIATED AND LAND SUBSIDENCE. 4312 WEST MAIN STREET, PAGE 14, THE PROPERTY IS VACATED DUE TO SEVERE CRACKS TO THE PROPERTY. 42 4222, WEST MAIN STREET, OAKLAND CRACKS ON THE HOUSE, AND 1801 NORTH MAIN STREET OBSERVED CRACKS ON THE HOUSE. 18401 NORTH MANHATTAN STREET. BE NEED TO BE INCLUDED TO ACCESS TO THE GEOLOGICAL GEO TECH OF BUILDINGS. WE NEED DOCUMENTED AINSURER RANCES OUR PROPERTY MANAGING AND QUESTIONS OF FINANCIAL LIABLE IF DAMAGES OCCUR HOW THE RESIDENT -- RESIDENTS CAN'T ACCESS THESE FUNDS AND HOW LONG EVEN IF THE PROPERTY IS STOLEN. HAVING TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOODS CAN ALSO REPRESENT BROADER TAMPA CONTEXT BY MIXING THE OLD WITH THE NEW. SHOULD BE ADDED RESPONSIBLY. ENOUGH APARTMENTS ALREADY VOUNLING US AND ALLOW US TO KEEP OUR HERITAGE NEIGHBORHOOD OF CARVER CITY SAFE AND VOTE NO FOR THE PARANORMAL COMPLEX, PROTECTING NEIGHBORHOODS IS IMPORTANT TOO. AND IF YOU LOOK BACK TO THE MAP, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE ARE SURROUNDED BY APARTMENTS. WE HAVE APARTMENTS ACROSS THE STREET HERE ON SPRUCE. WE HAVE APARTMENTS HERE. WE HAVE APARTMENTS THERE. AND THIS COMPANY HAS ALSO BEEN APPROVED FOR PARANORMAL TO GO RIGHT HERE ON THIS CORNER. OVER 800 UNITS AND ALMOST 1,000 PARKING SPACES WE WILLING DEALING WITH THE TRAFFIC AND ALL THE OTHER CONCERNS LISTED. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT SPEAKER. START WITH YOUR NAME. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. >> HI, RHONDA CAMPBELL. AND I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD SOCIAL DISTANCING. AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. WELL, I HAVE BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR 64 YEARS. I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES. A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON AROUND US. SO WE ARE RESPECTFUL LEAVE REQUESTING A CUMULATIVE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY PRIOR TO THE PROPOSED 400-UNIT DEVELOPMENT BEING APPROVED. CURRENTLY WE HAVE PROPOSAL FIVE APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND 1,000 HOMES WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY WITHIN A TWO-MILE RADIUS. OUR PRIMARY ACCESS CORRIDORS ARE SPRUCE, LOIS, WHICH IS DIFFICULT TO CROSS BY CAR OR FOOT, MANHATTAN AT THAT SUPPORTS A K-8 SCHOOL, FIRE DEPARTMENT AND NUMEROUS BUSINESSES. BASED ON A STANDARD MULTIFAMILY TRIP GENERATION RATES NOT INCLUDING CUMULATIVE IMPACT FROM ADDITIONAL NEARBY DEVELOPMENTS, WE ANTICIPATE APPROXIMATELY AN ADDITIONAL 184 VEHICLES DURING THE PEAK HOUR AND 252 VEHICLES THAT IS IN THE MORNING AND IN THE AFTERNOON, 252. THE COMMUNITY SUPPORTS RESPONSIBLE GROWTH; HOWEVER, GIVEN DOCUMENTED SINKHOLE ACTIVITY, EXISTING ROADWAY CONSTRAINTS. SCHOOL TRAFFIC, PUBLIC SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS, ADDITIONAL DENSITY SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED WITHOUT A COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE ARE BLOCKED IN. I RESIDE IN LINCOLN GARDENS. WE CAN ONLY GET OUT ON SPRUCE OR DALE MABRY. THERE ARE TIMES -- I AM A TEACHER. SO I GET HOME EARLY, BUT IF I WANT TO LEAVE MY HOUSE AT 5:00, I CANNOT GET OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THERE IS ALREADY ONE APARTMENT COMPLEX YOU HAVE APPROVED THAT WILL BE OFF OF SPRUCE STREET. HAVING THIS COMPLEX WILL LEAD TO ANOTHER PROBLEM, AND CARVER CITY, TO BE HONEST YOU WITH, HAS A MAJOR PROBLEM WITH SINKHOLES. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE COMMUNITY CAN SUPPORT OR LAND ANOTHER APARTMENT COMPLEX C COMING. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. >> GOOD DAY. MY NAME IS SHEILA DOWNING AND I GUESS MY THREE MINUTES STARTS NOW. QUESTION, WHAT DOES THE FUTURE OF TAMPA HOLD FOR THE HOMEOWNERS OF CARVER CITY AND LINCOLN GARDEN AS SOON AS WE HAVE BUILT THE HERITAGE. WE PIGGYBACK OFF OF 60, 70, 80-YEAR RESIDENTS, HERITAGE THAT HAS BEEN STRIPPED FROM US.WE HAVE MADE CONCESSION AFTER CONCESSION. WE'VE CAPITOLED TO CHANGE AFTER CHANGE. THEY HAVE POURED THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF VEHICLES INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I RESIDE AT 4022 WEST LaSALLE STREET. COME OUT EVERY DAY, AND I LOOK LIKE A COMPLETE LUNATIC TRYING TO FLAG PEOPLE DOWN TO STOP FROM ALMOST RUNNING OVER OUR ANIMALS OR KIDS. THEY DO NOT CARE. THEY JUST WANT TO GET FROM OFF OF LOIS, GO THROUGH ALL OF THE SIDE ROADS TO GET TO SPRUCE OVER THERE. IT IS A MADHOUSE, AND YOU ALL HAVE TO LIVE THERE TO SEE IT. COMING HERE TO EXPLAIN TO YOU IS NOT AN ANSWER. YOU HAVE TO SEE IT TO BELIEVE IT. I ASK THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY TAKE PLACE. WE -- THE CONTRACTORS, YES, THEY HAVE MADE SOME CHANGES AND SOME MODIFICATIONS, BUT WHAT MODIFICATIONS DID THEY BRING TO THE COMMUNITY? NO -- NO ADDITIONAL SIGNS, NO SAFETY -- NO SAFETY PRECAUTIONS. THEY HAVE NOT GIVEN US SPEED BUMPS TO SLOW THE CARS DOWN. YOU ARE TALKING OF PUTTING TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ON ROADWAYS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN EXPANDED. I MEAN, WE ARE TRAPPED IN HERE. THERE IS A TEN-CITY BLOCK. WE ARE TRAPPED FROM -- ALL DAY LONGER WITH TRAPPED IN THIS COMMUNITY. SO WE APPRECIATE SOME OF THE CONCESSIONS THAT THEY MADE, BUT WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN 20 YEARS. WE ARE NOW, WHAT, 15, 18 YEARS OF GIVING CONCESSIONS. AND MORE CARS, MORE PROPERTY, MORE DAMAGE OVER THERE AND NOT SAFE FOR ANY OF US. LET THE INTERSTATE BACK UP AND SHOOT DOWN LOIS AND ALL THE SIDE STREETS TO GET AROUND BY THE AIRPORT. IT IS -- YOU HAVE TO BE THERE TO SEE IT. TRY COMING HERE FOUR OR FIVE -- ANYWHERE FROM 3 TO 8, YOU CAN'T GET OUT OF IN NEIGHBORHOOD. WE ASK THAT YOU KINDLY REJECT OR OPPOSE ANYTHING. WE HAVE NO ADDITIONAL SIDEWALKS. WE HAVE NO -- NOTHING FOR THE KIDS -- FOR ANYTHING SAFETY FOR THE KIDS AND THE CROSSWALKS. THERE IS NOTHING. IT IS OVERSATURATED. OVERSATURATED WITH PEOPLE EVERYWHERE. THERE IS NO ROOM FOR KIDS AND ANIMALS NO MORE. THERE IS NO REAL COMMUNITY. AIRBNBs AND NOTHING BUT BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT. WHAT DOES THE CITY OF TAMPA HOLD ARE US? AND THAT WILL BE ALL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. START WITH YOUR NAME. >> MY NAME IS McNAIR. LIVED IN THIS COMMUNITY SINCE 1967, FIRST LIVING IN THE HOME WITH MY PARENT, THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE HOMES ABUTTING THE PROPOSED BUILDING SITE AND LATER CONSTRUCTING MY HOME 4321 WEST GROUP STREET, THE CORNER OF GREEN AND MANHATTAN. ALL OF THE YEARS I LIVED IN THIS COMMUNITY, IT IS NOT UNTIL RECENTLY THAT I WITNESSED FLOODING ON UNLEVELED STREETS ON MANHATTAN, WHICH WAS ONCE VERY SMOOTH AND NOW STRUCTURE CHANGES. IT IS NOW WAVERING. LOIS AVENUE AND MANHATTAN EXPERIENCE FLOODING DURING THE LAST HURRICANE THE FIRST TIME TO MY KNOWLEDGE. CHANGES I AM NOTICING ONLY SINCE THE CONSTRUCTION OF MANY HIGH-RISE BUILDINGS. SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLINGS ABUTTING THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION SITE ARE ALREADY EXPERIENCING STRUCTURAL DAMAGE, WHICH, AS I RECALL, STARTED WHEN THE -- WHEN THE BUILDING OF THE SITE WAS BUILT. AND IN ADDITION TO THESE CONCERNS, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT OUR SAFETY NAVIGATING THE COMMUNITY. I LIVE WEST OF LOIS, BUT I HAVE FAMILY EAST OF LOIS. IT IS A VERY DANGEROUS CROSSING LOIS TO GET TO THE EAST SIDE TO VISIT THEM. I AM PERSONALLY CONCERNED BECAUSE I HAVE AN ELDERLY SISTER THAT MUST NAVIGATE LOIS TO GET TO MY HOME. I ASK YOU PLEASE STRONGLY CONSIDER OUR CONCERNS, RIGHTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE COMMUNITY WHEN MAKING THE DECISION REGARDING THE STRUCTURE TO BE BUILT ON THE SITE. AND NOT ALLOW A STRUCTURE OF THAT MAGNITUDE TO GO UP. I NOTICED THAT IT LOWERED SOME OF THE STRUCTURE ON THE BACK ENDS, BUT I FURTHER WOULD RECOMMEND THAT ALL LEVELS BE NO HIGHER THAN FOUR. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. START WITH YOUR NAME. >> MY NAME IS RUBY D. DANIELS. DEAN. MY MIDDLE NAME IS SPELLED THAT WAY. 4316 WEST MAIN STREET IN BETWEEN MANHATTAN AND HUBERT. AS YOU KNOW ON MANHATTAN, AS FAR AS SAFETY, I JUST PIGGYBACK ON EVERYTHING THAT EVERYBODY IS SAYING FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I WANT YOU ALL TO CONSIDER AND TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION JUST READ UP ON THE LEGACY OF CARVER CITY AND LINCOLN GARDEN, HOW WE GOT IT. WE KEEP HEARING EVERYBODY SAY REDEVELOP AN DEVELOP. HOW CAN YOU REDEVELOP SOMETHING OR DEVELOP SOMETHING THAT WHEN IT WAS GIVEN TO US AND SAY, HEY, YOU CAN LIVE HERE. THIS IS YOUR PROPERTY. MAKE IT A COMMUNITY. IT WAS ONLY A FEW HOUSES PUT THERE. HOW CAN YOU REDEVELOP THAT? SO I JUST WANT TO KNOW AS FAR AS FOR SAFETY, I WANT TO KNOW, WHY CAN'T WE HAVE NOTHING AND MAKE IT SOMETHING AND KEEP IT -- AND KEEPING IT SAFE THAT WE HAVE A COMMUNITY. WE HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD. NOBODY HAD TO COME IN AND PUT SPECIAL HOUSING THERE FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO TAKE CARE OF. WE ACCEPTED WHAT THE GOVERNMENT OR WHOEVER WAS IN CONTROL GAVE US. WE MADE IT WHAT IT IS. A NEIGHBORHOOD. A COMMUNITY. WITH FAMILY AND HUMANS IN IT AND CHILDREN. AND THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. IT IS NOT EVEN SAFE FOR YOUR ANIMAL TO EVEN WALK. WE HAVE OUR DOGS -- ESPECIALLY OUR DOGS, THE SMALLEST ONES WILL PROTECT US AND BARK BECAUSE OF ALL THE TRAFFIC COMING DOWN. NOT ONLY THE TRAFFIC, BUT LOUD NOISES AND EVERYTHING. HE THE AIRBNB. I HAVE TO BEG SOMEBODY TO GET OUT OF PARKING SPACE SO I CAN GET IN MY DRIVEWAY. YOU ASK ME WHY. WITH THE GUN LAW -- MY MOM GETS UPSET. DON'T SAY NOTHING, JUST COME IN THE HOUSE. I SAID I WILL CALL TPD AND THE SHERIFF AND EVERYBODY. HE SHOULDN'T ASK ME WHY. THEY DON'T LIVE THERE. OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AND NEEDS TO STAY A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME. IT TAKES ME -- I CAN'T GET OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY WALKING SEVERAL MINUTES JUST TO CROSS THE STREET. NOBODY HAS RESPECT ON MAIN STREET. YOU HAVE HUBERT AND MANHATTAN. THEY COME OFF OF UNION STREET. UNION, WHERE THEY ARE TRYING TO BUILD THE APARTMENTS OR WHATEVER THEY ARE TRYING TO BUILD, THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE STAYING THERE, THEY FRONT WON'T STAY THERE THAT LONG. THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT WE HAVE THERE. WE HAVE AS A COMMUNITY THAT IS THERE. WE CAN SHARE THINGS AND SHARE A LIFE. SO I THANK YOU ALL FOR LISTENING PITCH WANT YOU TO HEAR OUR VOICES. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. START WITH YOUR NAME AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DO YOU HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM? SHELBY SHE WILL HERE WE GO, THANK YOU. >> WHERE IS THE MICROPHONE? >>MARTIN SHELBY: MIR MIRIAM HAVNATIS. THANK YOU. I SEE ONE NAME. THAT IS FOUR MINUTES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, START WITH YOUR NAME AND YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS KATH REN DAVIS. MY HOME IS ALSO ON UNION STREET. I GREW UP IN LINCOLN GARDENS FROM THE AGE OF FIVE UNTIL 21. SO I HAVE SEEN MANY CHANGES. I HAVE SEEN THINGS GOING ON, SOME GOOD, SOME BAD, SOME WORSE. AND I MOVED INTO CARVER CITY IN 1988. MY LATE HUSBAND, BISHOP FRANCIS DAVIS, HE BUILT THE HOUSE IN '67. ONE OF THE FIRST ON THE STREET CONSTRUCTED BY THE FIRST BUILDER TO GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HELP SEGREGATE AFRICAN-AMERICAN VETERANS BUILD THEIR HOMES IN ESTABLISHED COMMUNITIES. AND I HAVE SEEN THE TRAFFIC -- THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. IT IS SO TERRIBLE. IT IS MESSY. YOU CAN'T GET OUT. I MEAN, IF BUT -- YOU ARE ON DALE MABRY, IF YOU KNOW WHERE I AM TALKING ABOUT, TRAFFIC IS ALWAYS DOWN PAST LOIS AVENUE. YOU CAN'T GET OUT. YOU CAN'T GET IN. AND IT IS JUST -- IT IS A MESS. OKAY. AND YOU HAVE TO PICK YOUR TIMES TO GET OUT. PICK YOUR TIMES TO COME BACK IN. THIS IS TRULY SAD -- SADDENS ME AND BREAKS MY HEART TO SEE THAT THE COMMUNITY IT YOU NOT HAVE AN OFFICIAL HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGNATION. BUT OUR HERITAGE AND OUR HISTORY MUST NOT BE FORGOTTEN. OUR SAFETY, OUR QUALITY OF LIFE AND OUR HOMES MUST NOT BE OVERSHADOWED, OVERTAKEN BY HIGH DENSITY COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREA WITH HOMES WHERE WE WANT OUR CHILDREN, EVEN OUR GREAT GRANDCHILDREN TO CARRY OUT THE LEGACY THAT WAS BIRTHED IN THAT LAND AND ON THAT LAND. THIS LAND WAS NOT GIVEN TO US. WE PAID FOR THIS LAND AND THE PROPERTY. WE PAID FOR THE HOMES. AND THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE HISTORY OF CARVER CITY, LINCOLN GARDEN AND OF TAMPA, THE HISTORY THAT NEIGHBORS, MY NEIGHBORS THAT ARE TRYING TO PROTECT. THIS PROJECT WILL MAKE THINGS WORSE, AND IT WILL CONTINUE TO WEAKEN OUR PROPERTIES. AND WHO WILL PAY THE PRICE? WE WILL. WHY SHOULD WE HAVE TO SUFFER THE LOSS? THE CONTINUAL TARGETING OF OUR AREA FOR HIGH DENSITY BUILDINGS AND HOUSING IS PUT AGO YOU ARE HOMES IN DANGER. THE LAND FEEL ORIGIN AND VIBRATIONS FROM OTHER PROJECTS CAUSE OUR FRAGILE HOMES TO BEGIN DETERIORATING. MANY OF US HAVE TO REPAIR FOUNDATIONS LIKE MY NEIGHBOR SAID AND THE HOUSES ARE MOVING. WHERE IT IS ONCE LESS DESIRED BUT NOW COVETED NEIGHBORHOOD. I ASK THAT YOU DENY THIS DEVELOPMENT IN ORDER TO HAVE OUR HOMES BE SAFE AND TO PRESERVE OUR HISTORY. NOW TELL ME, HOW MUCH MORE? HOW MUCH MORE AFTER HEARING THIS CAN OUR PROPERTIES ACTUALLY TAKE? THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. START WITH YOUR NAME. YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES. I SEE YOU HAVE HANDOUTS IF YOU WANT TO SHOW THEM TO US. >> MY NAME IS CHERYL DAVIS. ANTHONY, MY MOTHER AND FATHER -- I LIVED ON 4213 UNION STREET. I WAS RAISE THERE. WE GAME TO THIS COMMUNITY AROUND '67-'68. AND WE LIKE TO KEEP OUR HERITAGE -- OUR COMMUNITY THAT WAY. IT WAS A HARD TIME FINDING SOME OF THE SOLDIERS THAT -- THAT THE -- THE BLACK SOLDIERS THAT TO OUR LAND WAS GIVEN TO, AND I WOULD LIKE TO READ THIS, IF I CAN. OUR COMMUNITY WAS DESIGNED AND ZONED FOR DENSITY OF SOUTH CAROLINA RESIDENTS. IN IS VALIDATED BY THE UNITED STATES ARMY SERVICE, WHICH HAS SPENT TO SEEK PROPERTY IN THE INNER CITY DURING THE JIM CROW ERA. THIS WAS TO ASSURE CALL IT MEN, WOMEN, WORTH FIGHTING FOR THE COUNTRY WILL BE SHOWN CONSIDERATION TO BE ABLE TO MAKE PURCHASE, TO BUILD HOMES, A COMMUNITY TO RAISE FAMILIES ALLOWING US ON THIS LAND. I LIVE 4213 UNION. AND I AM RIGHT BEHIND WHERE THE COMPLEX IS GOING TO GO. MY FATHER DURING -- WHEN THEY WERE BUILDING THE RECREATION CENTER, THE -- APARTMENT THAT ARE ALREADY THERE ON SPRUCE, THE INTERNATIONAL MALL. MY FATHER WAS VERY ILL AND WHEN THE DEMOLITIONS AND BUILDING WAS GOING UP, HE WOULD WAKE UP IN A RAGE. SO I AM JUST WONDERING HOW SOME OF THE ELDERS NOW WITH ALL THIS OTHER BUILDING GOING AROUND OUR AREAS, HOW -- THERE ARE HOW THEY ARE FEELING ABOUT THIS BECAUSE SOME OF THE LAND, SIDEWALKS ARE CRACKING.STREETS ARE CRACKING. KNOW THEY PUT OVERLAY ON THE STREETS. SOME OF THE STREETS CRACKED. ONE DAY I CAME HOME AND I WONDERED WHY THE WATER IS RUNNING SOMEWHERE. THE CITY CAME OUT AND PREPARING THE STREETS, WHATEVER THEY ARE LAYING OUT. SO I AM SAYING TO YOU WE CAN NOT STAND ANOTHER COMPLEX IN OUR AREA. WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE? SEEKING DOWN IN THE GROWN BEFORE SOMEBODY REALIZES THIS? WE ARE HERE. AND WE LOVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I GREW UP IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND I THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HAVE A BEAUTIFUL AFTERNOON. NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS WANDA WILLIAMS, AND I'M HERE TO DISCUSS THE PRESERVATION OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD. I LIVED IN BOTH NEIGHBORHOODS, LINCOLN GARDENS AND CARVER CITY. AND I JUST WANT TO TALK OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I HAVE THREE POINT. NUMBER ONE, WE STARTED HERE. ACCORDING TO MY FAMILY'S BIRTH RECORDS, WE HAVE BEEN IN THE A ERA FOR APPROXIMATELY $176 CENTURIES OR 161 YEARS. MY FAMILY HAS OWNED PROPERTY FOR SEVEN DECADES IN LINCOLN GARDENS AND OVER FIVE DECADES IN CARVER CITY. MY GRANDFATHER SERVED IN THE UNITED STATES AIR FORCE. HE WAS TRAINED AT TUSKEGEE UNIVERSITY AS AN AIRMAN. HE PARTICIPATED IN WORLD WAR II AIR MISSIONS IN NORTH AFRICA AND OTHER PLACES AROUND THE WORLD. HE WAS ASSIGNED TO MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE AFTER WORLD WAR II AND HE FACED HOUSING DISCRIMINATION AND COULD NOT LIVE ON THE BASE. SO SEVEN DECADES AGO, HE PURCHASED PROPERTY IN LINCOLN GARDENS WE WE STILL PRESENTLY OWN TODAY. MY GRANDMOTHER WAS A EDUCATOR IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOLS FOR OVER 41 YEARS. SHE EDUCATED HUNDREDS OF STUDENTS IN HER COMMUNITY AND THROUGHOUT HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY. MY FAMILY MEMBERS WERE EDUCATED AT LOCAL ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, MIDDLE SCHOOLS, HIGH SCHOOLS WITHIN THE COUNTY, AND WE HAVE FOUR GENERATIONS OF GRADUATES FROM FLORIDA A&M UNIVERSITY THIS LEVEL OF EDUCATION HAS AFFORDEDS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY IN MANY OCCUPATIONS EDUCATORS BUSINESS PHARMACISTS AND OTHER PROFESSIONS. BUT OUR COMMUNITY IS MADE UP OF MANY OCCUPATIONS AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE SERVED OUR COMMUNITY FAITHFULLY. WE ARE ASKING FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESERVE THIS GREAT COMMUNITY AND HERITAGE THAT WE HAVE COME TO LOVE LIKE TO PRESERVE OUR COMMUNITY WITHOUT THE ADDITION OF TALL BUILDINGS, INCREASED TRAFFIC AND OVERPOPULATION. WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITY AS IT IS. PLEASE CONSIDER THE REQUEST OF HOUSE HAVE LIVED FOR MAYBE GENERATIONS AND MANY DECADES IN THAT COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU MUCH, WANDA. NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. START WITH YOUR NAME. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. >> ONE SECOND. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEY WILL COME AND HELP YOU OUT. >> LILINA. >>MARTIN SHELBY: VICTORIA JONES. THANK YOU. SIX MINUTES TOTAL. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: START WITH YOUR NAME AND YOU WILL HAVE SIX MINUTES. >> THANK YOU. MY NAME IS ANNA LILINA AND RESIDENT ON UNION STREET ADJACENT DIRECTLY TO THE SITE -- PROPOSED SITE. I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND YOU YOU HAVE THIS MAP WE HAVE BEEN REFERENCING. IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE BUILDINGS, ONLY THE FOUR AND FIVE-STORY BUILDINGS AND -- THERE IS ONLY -- PRACTICALLY ALL YOU HAVE THESE ONES ARE OTHER MULTIFAMILY ONES, COMMERCIAL ONES, DO HAVE STREETS, BUT THESE DON'T BEHIND THEM. AND THERE IS ONLY ONE ADJACENT TO SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS WHICH IS FIVE. THE PROPOSED SCHOOL IT WILL BE ADJACENT TO 11 SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS. ALL SURROUNDING BUILDINGS HAVE VACANCIES. THESE GREEN DOTS INDICATE THAT. RECORDS OF 2/16 ALREADY 26. SECOND OR THIRD PAGE HAVE REFERENCE OF RESOURCES ONLINE OF THAT AND THE AMOUNT OF UNITS IS BUILDING 375 AND THE SISTER SITE OF THIS DEVELOPER IS PROPOSING UP TO 410. WE HEARD A LESSER AMOUNT OF UNITS, BUT THEY ARE APPROVED FOR 410. OUR CONCERNS REMAIN THE SAME SINCE THE LAST YEAR. AND THERE HAS BEEN REFERENCES TO HOW MANY TIMES A DEVELOPER MET WITH US. AND I CONFIRM THAT. I PRESENTLY WAS AT MOST OF THEM BUT I WOULD LIKE TO STRESS YOUR ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT THE CONCERNS HAVEN'T CHANGED AND THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED. LAST YEAR I E-MAIL A DEVELOPER SUGGESTING WARRANTIES TO THE RESIDENTS TO PROTECT OUR HOMES. AND I HAVE NOT RECEIVED A RESPONSE. PRIOR TO THE JANUARY HEARING, THERE WAS NO MEETING WITH THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTS TO PRESENT THE NEW PLAN OR ADDRESS OUR CONCERNS. FOLLOWING THE CITY COUNCIL'S REQUEST FROM FEBRUARY 5, ON THE 12th, WE WERE TOLD THERE WILL BE A MEETING, WHICH WE RECEIVED AN E-MAIL ABOUT ON 16th TO BE SCHEDULED ON 17th. TODAY IS 19th. AT THAT MEETING, WE WERE INVITED TO SHARE OUR CONCERNS. I AM SORRY, WE HAVE EXPRESSED THAT MULTIPLE TIMES; HOWEVER, THERE WAS NO DEFINED ACTION PLAN PRESENTED. NO ENFORCEABLE OF WARRANTIES WERE OFFERED. A VISUAL INSPECTION TIED TO AN INSURANCE EXTENSION DURING CONSTRUCTION WAS MENTIONED.IT WAS OFFERED. BUT WITHOUT ANY SPECIFIC LANGUAGE, FINANCIAL COMMITMENTS OR MEASURABLE PROTECTIONS TO THE COMMUNITY. OUR QUESTIONS AFTER THE MEETING FOR THE DETAILS AND SPECIFICS WERE NOT ANSWERED. I DON'T THINK I HAVE SPOKEN MY WHOLE TIME. I PROPOSE THE WARRANTIES. I PROPOSE THE FORM OF A FUND, A FORM OF A BUDGETARY RESERVE, BUT WE WERE TOLD THAT NONE OF THOSE WERE ON OPTION OR CONSIDERED AT THE POINT THERE WAS NO INFORMATION ABOUT IT. WE WERE INFORMED THAT THE PRELIMINARY TECHNICAL REPORT WAS PREPARED FOR SEVEN STORIES, BUT IT WAS NOT DISCLOSED TO US AND DESPITE OUR CONTINUED RELIANCE ON THE PRYOR GEOTECH REPORT THAT EXCLUSIVELY WARPED THAT THE CONSTRUCTION OF A MUCH SMALLER BUILDING MUST BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL GIVEN THE LAND IS AND THE LAND FILL NATURE. ALL KNOW THAT CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC AND HEAVY EQUIPMENT EFFECTS SURROUNDING STREETS AND FOUNDATION. THAT IS NOT A SPECULATION. RESIDENTS ALSO AT THE MEETING PROPOSED A REDUCTION IN HEIGHT TO FOUR STORIES ALL TOGETHER TO KEEP THE RESIDHERITAGE LOOK -- HERITAGE APARTMENT SINGLE-FAMILY. BUT TO KEEP IT TOGETHER BECAUSE WE KNOW SOMETHING IS COMING. THAT OPTION WAS DENIED. FOLLOWING THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTIVE TO ADDRESS COMMUNITY CONCERNS, NO BIND PROGRAM TEXASES WERE PRODUCED AT THIS POINT. AND I HAVE STRONG REASONS TO BELIEVE THAT UNLESS SPECIFIC ENFORCEABLE LANGUAGE IS MADE A CONDITION TO THE REZONING, NOT FOR PERMITTING WHICH HAPPENS WAY LATER. WE DON'T KNOW WHO IS GOING TO BE THERE AND WHAT IS GOING TO BE THERE. BUT RIGHT NOW AT THE REZONING, THE BURDEN OF POTENTIAL DAMAGES WILL FALLEN TIRELY ON THE COMMUNITY. I HAVE PERSONALLY GONE DOOR TO DOOR ABOUT 70% OF THE COMMUNITY. ASIDE FROM A FEW NEWER HOMES -- TO BE WHY USUALLY THEY ARE BUILT BETTER. RESIDENTS RAISE CONCERNS OF STRU STRUCTURAL EXPOSURE. NOT FEARS, THEY ARE BASED ON EXPERIENCE PROVEN AND SHOWN. COMMUNITY IS ALSO CONFORMED OF FUTURE STRAIN ON AN ALREADY -- STRAINED INFRASTRUCTURE. ARE THE HE ADVISED SITE PLAN DOES PRESENT -- IS PRESENTED AS A GESTURE THAT WE MAY MEET THE CODE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT HAS 10% INCREASE IN UNIT COUNTS. AND MORE TRAFFIC. MENTION THAT WE ONLY TALK OF LOIS THAT IS NOT ALWAYS TRUE. WE TALK ABOUT SPRUCE. A LADY FROM VILLA -- WHO LIVES ON THE COMMUNITY ON SPRUCE. THEY ARE OVERLOADED TRAFFIC. PLEASE DHR SUFFICIENTLY TO DECLINE. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. >>LYNN HURTAK: NEXT. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. I AM CAROLYN COLLINS. 4002 WEST LaSALLE STREET, TAMPA, 33607. I HAVE BEEN AT THAT LOCATION THAT I BUILT THERE 552, 53 YEARS. PRIOR TO THAT WE BROUGHT -- MY HUSBAND AND I BOUGHT HIS FATHER'S SISTER'S HOME AT 4914 WEST ARCH STREET. AND PRIOR TO GOING AWAY AND RETURNING HOME AFTER COLLEGE WE ALSO LIVED IN THAT HOUSE. I ALSO WORKED IN CARVER CITY BACK IN THE BACK BEHIND WHERE ROLAND PARK IS ON THE RECREATION SITE THAT WAS THERE FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA. AND THEN WENT TO LINCOLN GARDEN AND I WORKED THERE AT THE RECREATION SITE WHERE THE CHURCH NOW SITS. SO I HAVE BEEN IN THE AREA FOR A LONG TIME. AND BASICALLY, I AM GOING TO BE VERY LIMITED. I THINK THEY SAID ENOUGH. I WANT TO INDICATE A COUPLE OF POINTS. WHEN WE LOOK AT NEW DEVELOPMENT IN ANY AREA OF THE CITY, AND WE ARE LOOKING AT ANY PROPOSED NEW DEVELOPMENT, PARTICULARLY SINGLE-FAMILY AREA, WE ALWAYS ARE GOING TOING HAVE TO DEAL WITH PERHAPS SOME PROBLEMS WHETHER IT IS HIGH DENSITY OR SIGNIFICANT RISK TO SAFETY AND ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA. FLORIDA HAS A PROBLEM. YOU HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE SINKHOLES. AND WE HAVE A PROBLEM IN FLORIDA WITH THE LIMESTONE BASED GEOLOGICAL SURFACES THAT WE HAVE HERE. AND INDIVIDUALS ARE DOING IT IT. I AM GOING TO BE CLEAR WE KIND OF FIGURE THEY ARE GOING TO BE APPROVED. ALL THE OTHER APARTMENTS AROUND US WERE APPROVED. WHAT WE ARE ASKING TO YOU DO, REDUCE THE POPULATION INCREASE THAT IS GOING TO COME AS A RESULT OF THEM AND REDUCE THE HEIGHT AND DON'T DO ANYMORE. WE CAN CONSTANTLY KEEP COMING AND OUR CHILDREN COME AND OUR GRANDCHILDREN COME AND BEAT DOWN IN THE GROUND BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING. THAT IS WHY WE ARE HAVING THE FLOODING, ETC., GOING ON -- ALL THESE YEARS LIVING THERE. I NEVER SAW FLOODING. POLICE HAD TO STOP ME AND WOULDN'T LET ME GO TO THE HOME. I SAID, SIR, I LIVE RIGHT THERE. THEY ALLOWED ME TO TURN AND GO TO THE STREET. NEVER HAD THAT IN OVER 60 YEARS. WE KNOW -- WHEN I ASK THEM, WHAT IS HAPPENING? WELL, THEY KEEP BUILDING OUT HERE AND BEATING DOWN THE GROUND. TIRED OF SEEING SNAKES. TIRED OF SEEING ALLIGATORS. GO DOWN TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. THEY WERE DOWN THERE. EVERYBODY THOUGHT IT WAS CUTE UNTIL THEY STARTED RUNNING OUT. IT IS NOT CUTE. SO WHAT WITHER GOING TO SAY AND WHAT WHUF -- WHAT YOU WILL SAY, TRAFFIC CONGESTION, CYPRESS, LOW IRS, DALE MABRY AND SPRUCE. YOU GUYS ALREADY KNOW MY STORY. THEY CLOSE IT OUT. ONLY ON SPRUCE AND LOIS. SO DO NOT LOCK US IN ANYMORE. PLEASE GIVE SOME RECONSIDERATION. I AM NOT SAYING NOT GOING TO -- REDUCE IT AND MAKE IT SENSIBLE TO THE COMMUNITY. YOU HEARD WHAT EVERYBODY HAD TO SAY. WE JUST SIMPLY WANT TO HAVE SOME IMPROVEMENT IN THE COMMUNITY AND WORK WITH THE CITY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. MISS SANCHEZ, YOU ARE NEXT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: FOUR NAMES. DEP HINE JONES. THANK YOU. ADRIAN LARAMIE. MARIANNE PALEVITA. THANK YOU. AND JAMES PALEVITA. THANK YOU. FOUR ADDITIONAL MINUTES WITH A TOTAL OF SEVEN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, MISS SANCHEZ. START WITH YOUR NAME. YOU HAVE SEVEN MINUTES. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CITY COUNCIL. I APOLOGIZE FOR ALL THE STAPLES. IT HAS BEEN ONE OF THOSE DAY PCHS MY NAME IS SANDY SANCHEZ. YOU HEARD PART OF THE HISTORY OF CARVER CITY. BUT A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON IT. YOU HEARD THAT OUR AFRICAN-AMERICAN CITIZENS THAT WERE FIGHTING IN WORLD WAR II HAD NO PLACE TO STAY. THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS THE SECOND FLOOR WAS PUT ON THE JACKSON HOUSE. THEY HAD TO FIND PLACES TO STAY WITH OTHER FAMILIES OR WHATEVER. SO THE CITY OF TAMPA IN THEIR INFINITE WISDOM DECIDED THAT THEY SHOULD DO SOMETHING TO REWARD THESE SERVICEMEN SO WHAT THEY DID BECAUSE OF JIM CROW AND SEGREGATION, THEY ALLOTTED THEM TO LIVE IN AN AREA CALLED CARVER CITY AND LINCOLN GARDENS, WHICH WAS A LAND FILL. WHAT A REWARD. THANK YOU FOR HITTING US BUILD ON A LANDFILL. THE SAME CITY THAT GAVE THEM THIS WONDERFUL PRESENT IS NOW TRYING TO TAKE IT AWAY BY ALLOWING HIGH DENSITY, HIGH-RISE PROJECTS TO BE BUILT IN THE IMMEDIATE PROXIMITY. THESE HOMES ARE STRUCTURALLY FRAGILE. THERE ARE SPORADIC WATER PRESSURE ISSUES ALONG WITH ELECTRICAL ISSUES DUE TO EXISTING AND WEAK INFRA INFRASTRUCTURE, /* NOT MENTION THE TRAFFIC ISSUES THEY TOLD YOU ABOUT. NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A RIGHT TO BE SCARED. THEIR FEARS ARE NOT UNFOUNDED. THEY ARE EYEWITNESS TO THE DESTRUCTION WATCHED ATS BUILDING AS OF THE IS GRAMM BUILDING WAS BEING BUILT AND THEY SAW THAT THEY HAD TO RECONSTRUCT THE POOL THREE TIMES. POOR CONSTRUCTION, THEY WEREN'T TOLD, BUT STILL IN THE MEMORY OF THOSE WHO WITNESSED IT. PROPOSED APARTMENT COMPLEX IS THE ONLY ONE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. OTHER SITES APPROVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE A PUBLIC STREET BETWEEN THEM. THESE STREETS PROVIDE A BARRIER SO THEY DID NOT JEOPARDIZE THE SIZE AND SOUTHEAST THEIR SURROUNDING HOMES. THE CITY HAS NEVER OFFERED TO CORRECT THE MISTAKE OF SELLING THIS PROPERTY WITHOUT TESTING FOR STABILITY OR CHECKING FOR HARMFUL CHEMICALS. TWO BROWNFIELDS DIRECTLY TO THE WEST AND EAST OF LOIS AND LANDFILL HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AND RECOVERED. THIS PROJECT IS DIRECTLY ON SPRUCE, LOIS LAND FILL. LAND FILM IN 45. FURTHER INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE FROM THE EPC AND MAKES YOU ASK THE QUESTION, DOES LANDFILL 45 ALSO A BROWN FIELD? NO MAJOR BARRIER TO THIS PROJECT OTHER THAN THE FENCE. THE DEVELOPER HAS PERSISTENTLY PROCLAIMED THEY HAVE FOLLOWED THE FORMER COMP PLAN, BUT THEY HAVE NOT. WE HAVE SUPPLIED YOU WITH A NUMBER OF LAND USE DIRECTIVES TO SHOW YOU THEY HAVE NOT. I WILL READ A COUPLE. CHAPTER 9, NEIGHBORHOODS LAND USE GOALS AND POLICIES. 9.5.4, UTILIZE SINGLE-FAMILY CATEGORIES TO MAINTAIN THE CURRENT DENSITY AND CHARACTER OF EXISTING FAMILY AREAS. PROTECT AREAS OF LOWEST INTENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT THAT ARE CURRENTLY AND PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE-FAMILY USE THAT HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL INFRASTRUCTURE CONSTRAINT SUCH AS ENVIRONMENTALLY CRITICAL ISSUES, END QUOTE. THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS ENVIRONMENT ALLY CRITICAL.THE OTHER ONE I WOULD LIKE TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION AND THE HEADING ON CHAPTER 9 SAYS NEIGHBORHOOD AND LAND USE. CONTINUE TO DISCOVER AND EMPLOY METHODS TO DEVELOP IN A MANNER THAT PROVIDE A MORE SEAMLESS AND HARMONIOUS TRANSITION OF LAND USE, URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS. AND 9.3.8, INTENT OF THE CITY THAT THE NEW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT PROJECT SHALL BE MINIMALLY DISRUPTED OR ADJACENT AREAS. THIS IS DISRUPTIVE. TO ACHIEVE THIS, THE CITY SHALL POSSESS THE POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE IMPACTS OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT PROBLEMS ON A PHYSICAL DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING AREAS AND TO REQUIRE MITIGATION OF NEGATIVE OFF-SITE IMPACTS. THERE WAS A -- THE GEOPHYSICAL REPORT THAT WE HAVE REFERRED TO A COUPLE OF TIMES. THIS REPORT WAS GIVEN TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO REVIEW AT THE LAST MINUTE OF THE FIRST PETITION. NOTHING HAS CHANGED. AGAIN, THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN AN EYEWITNESS OF WHAT THEY FEAR MOST, WHICH IS THE DESTRUCTION OF THEIR HOMES. FEAR THAT THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO AGE IN PLACE AND MAINTAIN THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE. THEIR HOMES, WHICH ALREADY HAVE FRAGILE FOUNDATION ARE IN DANGER OF BEING DESTROYED. MANY HAVE BEEN LIVING WITH THE EXISTING DAMAGE BECAUSE FINANCIALLY THEY CAN NOT DO THE REPAIRS. MAJORITY OF THESE RESIDENTS ARE SENIOR CITIZENS, ORIGINAL OWNERS. IN A FEW YEARS, IT HAS BEEN TO DIVERSIFY WITH YOUNG FAMILIES BEING ADDED TO THE MIX. THIS AREA IS ONE OF THE LAST OF THE MISSING MILITARY NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE AFFORDABLE HOUSING MAY BE FOUND IN THE CONTRACTORS THAT ARE AWARE OF THE ISSUES. I DO WANT TO MAKE -- BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION A COUPLE OF THINGS ON THE GEOPHYSICAL REPORT. THE SCOPE OF OUR SERVICES -- THIS IS FROM THE -- THE REPORT, I AM SORRY. LIMITATIONS. IT SAYS -- AND I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED FOR YOU. CARE SHOULD BE USED WHEN OPERATING THE EXISTING STRUCTURE TO AVOID TRANSMISSION OF VIBRATIONS THAT COULD CAUSE SETTLEMENT AND STATIC MODE AND IMPACT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED WITH THE JAY SENT BUILDINGS. WITH THIS REGARD AND THE EXISTING BUILDINGS PRIOR T TO COMPACTER VIBRATION SHOULD BE PERFORMED. THE OTHER EXCERPT THAT I HAVE GIVEN YOU, THE SCOPE OF OUR SERVICE DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY ENVIRONMENTAL OF THE PRESENCE OF ABSENCE OF WETLANDS, HAZARDOUS TOXIC MATERIALS. THEY SHOULD BE CHECKED. LAST HEARING, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASKED FOR GUARANTEES AND SOME KIND OF ASSURANCES. THEIR REQUEST WAS NEVER ANSWERED. THE MEETING THAT YOU REQUESTED BETWEEN THE DEVELOPERS STILL DID NOT COME UP WITH ANY KIND OF ANSWERS. NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS A REIMBURSEMENT OF DAMAGES. PLEASE DENY THIS PETITION AND PROTECT THIS HERITAGE COMMUNITY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, MISS SANCHEZ. >> THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. DO YOU HAVE A WAIVER FORM? >> PARDON? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DO YOU HAVE A WAIVER FORM? >> I DO NOT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: START WITH YOUR NAME. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. >> MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT. I AM A LIFE-LONG TAMPA RESIDENT. LAND USE GOAL 9.5 OF THE COMP PLAN SAYS "MAINTAIN STABILITY OF EXISTING AREAS." LU POLICY 9.5.4 SAYS YOU MUST PROTECT SINGLE-FAMILY AREAS THAT HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL OR INFRASTRUCTURE CONSTRAINTS. THIS AREA WAS A LANDFILL. THE DEVELOPER IS AWARE OF THAT FACT. MANY HOMES HAVE SUFFERED FOUNDATION ISSUES AND CRACKED WALLS. EXISTING HOMES ARE FRAGILE. YOU HEARD TESTIMONY ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN FORCED TO SPEND ALREADY. HOW CAN PEOPLE AFFORD THAT? RESIDENTS FEAR FOR THE SAFETY OF THEIR HOMES THEIR BIGGEST FINANCIAL INVESTMENTS. SHOULD THE MISSING NEIGHBORHOOD BE EXPOSED TO ADDITIONAL RISK. LAND USE POLICY 9.3.8 REQUIRES MITIGATION OF NEGATIVE OFFSITE IMPACTS. MITIGATION. THERE IS NO WORLD WHERE ITS FEAR THAT PEOPLE'S HOMES SHOULD BE DAMAGED BY SOMEONE ELSE WITH NO ACCOUNTABILITY. IF YOU BREAK IT, YOU MUST FIX IT. THERE WAS WORK DONE NEAR MY HOME THAT SHOOK MY ENTIRE HOUSE. I NOW HAVE CRACKS THAT I HAVE THINK WAS CAUSED BY IT. THAT ACTIVITY IS NOT A FRACTION OF THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT THAT WILL BE USED ON THIS PROJECT. IF THE HOMES ARE DAMAGED, IS THE DEVELOPER GOES TO ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS? DURING A RATTLESNAKE POINT REZONING, THE ATTORNEY FOR CHEMICAL FORMULATORS TOLD COUNCIL THAT THAT PROJECT WILL BUILD AN APARTMENT COMPLEX NEXT TO ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS INDUSTRIAL USES IN THE COUNTRY. COUNCIL WAS INCREDULOUS. THEY ASKED STAFF, DID YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS? STAFF RESPONSE WAS, IT IS NOT OUR JO BE TO DECIDE IF IT IS SAFE. IT IS CITY COUNCIL'S JOB TO DECIDE IT. LU OBJECTIVE 9.3 REQUIRES REDEVELOPMENT TO SUSTAIN STABLE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ENSURE THE SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC HEALTH OF THE CITY. COUNCIL NEEDS TO PROTECT THE ECONOMIC HEALTH OF THE HARD-WORKING PEOPLE OF THIS CITY. NEIGHBORS HAVE COME HERE OVER AND OVER AGAIN, WHICH IS A TREMENDOUS BURDEN. THEY LOVE THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND ARE FIGHTING TOOTH AND NAIL TO PROTECT THEIR HOMES. N THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE TO AFFORD THE DAMAGE CAUSE BY SOMEONE ELSE.PLEASE PROTECT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NEXT SPEAKER. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? AFTER ROBIN LOCKET, YOU WILL BE THE LAST SPEAKER. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, STEPHANIE POYNOR. I WOULD LIKE THIS POINT OUT THIS IS WHERE I LIVE. THIS IS THE CORNER OF MY HOUSE. THIS IS THE EDGE OF OUR PROPERTY. IT IS 197 FEET. I MEASURE IT THIS MORNING. THEY ARE DOING WORK ON THE LIVE LOCAL PROJECT FROM HELL NEXT DOOR TO ME. YESTERDAY, WHEN I WAS SITTING ON MY -- IN MY OFFICE, MY HOUSE SHOOK, NOT ONCE, BUT TWICE. THE ENTIRE HOUSE SHOOK. NOW I HAVE BEEN THROUGH EARTHQUAKES IN KENTUCKY, BECAUSE THE SECOND LARGEST FAULT IN AMERICA RUNS UP WESTERN KENTUCKY. AND IT WAS MORE THAN AN EARTHQUAKE. THESE GUYS ARE THROWING CEMENT AROUND. MAKING A MESS. 197 FEET. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE HOMES THAT BELONG TO SOME OF THESE NICE LADIES WHO ARE HERE TODAY, THEY HAVE A SETBACK TO THE FOUR-STORY BUILDING OF 35 FEET. THEY HAVE A SETBACK TO THE SEVEN-STORY BUILDING OF 65 FEET. BUT THESE LOTS ARE 50 X 122, 75 X 122. 44 FEET TO THE BACK OF THE LOT AND 60 FEET TO THE BACK OF LOT. WE ARE TALKING FOLKS HAVE 100 FEET BETWEEN WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE PROPERTY LINED THEM, BUT THE THING ABOUT IT IS, WE ARE NOT EVEN TALK ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION. WHAT IS HAPPENING NEXT TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NOW IS THEM TEARING UP THE CONCRETE AND THE ASPHALT NEXT DOOR TO US. I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT THESE FOLKS ARE GOING TO ENDURE. I MEAN MY NEIGHBORS ARE CLOSER PROBABLY FELT IT A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN I DID. HOW ARE THESE FOLKS HOMES GOING TO BE PROTECTED? I WOULD -- I WOULD REMIND YOU, ONCE AGAIN, BECAUSE HALF OF YOU WEREN'T HERE LAST TIME. THIS HOUSE RIGHT HERE. HERE IS THE PROJECT -- THIS HOUSE RIGHT HERE WAS GWEN HERNANDOSON'S MOTHER'S HOUSE. IT WAS INHIBITABLE. MISS HENDERSON SAID SHE WOULD NOT ALLOW FAMILY MINUTES WHO REALLY DIDN'T HAVE ANY BETTER PLACE TO LIVE TO LIVE THERE, BECAUSE IT WAS NOT SAFE. AND IT WAS SAFE UNTIL THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT. GO FIGURE. ALL RIGHT, NOW WITH THAT TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, I WANT TO MAKE SURE -- OH, THESE ARE SEVEN-STORY PLYWOOD PALACES. SEVEN STORIES.CHIEF TRIPP IS HERE. LAST TIME I SAW HER, SHE LET ME KNOW OUR HIGHEST TRUCK GOES KNIFE TO SIX STORIES. YEAH, THEY HAVE SPRINKLERS. I DON'T WANT TO LIVE ON THE SEVENTH FLOOR, I GUARANTEE YOU THAT ESPECIALLY IN GROUND THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY STABLE BECAUSE THESE FOLKS ALREADY HAD ISSUES. AND OH, I DON'T WANT TO FORGET. BECAUSE THIS HEARING, FIRST READING GO THE HERE AT 2:00 IN THE MORNING AND YOU HAD A BUNCH OF WONDERFUL PEOPLE TO SPEAK ABOUT IT, ONLY ONE OF WHICH WAS A NEIGHBOR. ALL REST OF THEM WERE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT SHOWED UP LAST WEEK FOR THE MAGNOLIA. GO FIGURE. ANYWAY, LET'S SEE -- I AM TRYING TO -- I AM SURE -- BUT -- ASK CHIEF TRIPP. SHE IS HERE. I MEAN, SERIOUSLY. WHATEVER. [LAUGHTER] IT IS REALLY SAD WHEN PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LOSE THEIR HOMES OVER THIS. AND I TOLD TYLER HUDSON A WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT HE IS TAKING CARE OF THEM. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, MISS POYNOR. ROBIN LOCKETT. BRING IT HOME. >> MY COMPUTER? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE. >> YOU ALREADY CALLED IT. HEY, EVERYBODY, MYNA IMIS ROBIN LOCKKETT. I WILL POSE QUESTIONS TO YOU. I SUPPORT CARVER CITY, CONANS, COMMUNITY, STILL HISTORIC. SUPPORT THEM. SAFETY CONCERNS. I HEAR SAFETY CONCERNS. I HEAR SINKHOLES. I HEAR LANDFILLS. I HEAR THAT HAD THE DEVELOPER HAD MEETINGS. WITH HOW MANY? HOW MANY PEOPLE? HOW MANY PEOPLE SHOWED UP TO THE MEETING? WITH AS IT FIVE, WAS IT TEN? HOW MANY PEOPLE? WHAT OTHER MECHANISM DID THEY USE TO GET THE WORD OUT OF TO GET A REAL CONDUCIVE RESPONSES. WHAT ABOUT THEM PUTTING THEIR MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTH IS, AND IF THEY ARE REALLY COLONEL ABOUT THE COMMUNITY, I SAW THINGS -- REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE COMMUNITY, I SAW THINGS WHERE THEY CHECKED THE BOX. IF THIS COMMUNITY IS CONCERNED WHAT HAPPENED. PUT MONEY IN A FUND FOR THEM TO COVER ANYTHING THAT MAY HAPPEN, DAMAGES AND SO FORTH. PUT MONEY IN A FUND ASIDE JUST FOR THAT, RIGHT. TRAFFIC. IF THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC -- NOW THAT -- ME GOING OVER THERE TO VISIT AND SO FORTH. IT IS TERRIBLE TRYING TO GET OUT OF CARVER CITY. YOU HAVE TO HOLD YOUR BREATH AND TRY TO MAKE IT ACROSS THE STREET, AND CROSS DALE MABRY AND SPRUCE AND EVERYWHERE ELSE. IT IS TERRIBLE DOING IT. SO BUI500 -- 1,000 MORE UNITS W ADD MORE TO IT. WHAT ABOUT A TRAFFIC STUDY? ARE YOU ASKING OR REQUIRING THAT? I AM LOSING MY TIME. THE STUDY, TRAFFIC STUDY. I MEAN, JUST SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY, TO BE HONEST. WHAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR. WE CAN GO IN AND CHECK A BOX, RIGHT. JUST CHECK THE BOX. HEY, WE ARE SAYING WE ARE PUTTING GREENERY HERE AND SO FORTH. THAT AIN'T GOING TO DO IT. IF THEY ARE CONCERN ABOUT THEIR HOMES, PROTECT THE COMMUNITY. PUSH THEM TO PROTECT THE COMMUNITY. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THIS IS A GOING TO PASS OR NOT, BUT PUSH THEM TO REALLY HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMUNITY, PUT THEIR MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTH IS, BECAUSE THE KEY WORDS I AM HEARING IS A LANDFILL AND A SINKHOLES. THAT MEMBERS THAT THINGS ARE UNSTABLE. SO PROTECT THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, MISS LOCKETT. WE HAD TWO ONLINE REGISTERED SPEAKERS WHO DO NOT APPEAR TO BE LENA. THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT. APPLICANT. REBUTTAL. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL. TYLER HUDSON. 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE. I AM THE ATTORNEY FOR THE APPLICANT. I HAVE BEEN SWORN. THIS COUNCIL INHERITED A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND A LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT NONE OF YOU WROTE. NONE OF YOU NECESSARILY HAD A IN THAT. IT IS WHAT YOU INHERITED. A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT A LOT OF DIFFERENT TOPICS TODAY, THERE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN PUBLIC COMMENT. THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DISCUSSION. DIFFERENT THAN BE A WORKSHOP BECAUSE WE SWORE IN FOR A REASON BECAUSE THIS IS A QUASI JUDICIAL PROCEEDING. A QUASI JUDICIAL NEEDS TO BE ON COMPREHENSIVE TENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT A PROJECT AND THE COMMUNITY HAS TO DETERMINE IF THEY LIKE IT OR NOT. THERE IS RULES WHAT COUNTS AS EVIDENCE AND WHAT DOES NOT COUNSEL AS EVIDENCE. WHAT PROCEDURE YOU FOLLOW. IS THIS PROJECT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? THIS PIECE OF LAND IS NOT A SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS ME OF LAND AT SPRUCE AND LOW ILLS IS DESIGNATED AS RMU-100. REGIONAL MIXED USE-100. MOST DENSE IN THE ENTIRE CITY OUTSIDE OF DOWNTOWN. SECOND QUESTION -- LET ME FINISH THE FIRST QUESTION, THE EXPERT STAFF IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAID THIS PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT. WE ARE NOT EVEN USING ALL OF THE F.A.R. THAT WE'RE LOWED TO WITH THIS PROJECT. SECOND QUESTION WHETHER THE PROJECT -- UNDER STATE LAW, IS THIS PROJECT CONSISTENT WITH THE JURISDICTION'S LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. HERE IN TAMPA YOU CALL THAT YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHAPTER EVERY 27. EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT THAT REVIEWED IT FOUND IT CONSISTENT. I WILL REF PEAT THAT BECAUSE I DON'T GET TO SAY THAT OFTEN. EVERY SINGLE REVIEWING DEPARTMENT FOUND THIS PROJECT CONSISTENT. NOT EASY TO DO. INTERSECTING REGULATIONS AND TRADE-OFFS INVOLVED AND HARD TO SQUARE THE CIRCLE, BUT THIS PROJECT WAS ABLE TO DO THAT. LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT -- BEFORE I PIVOT. A LOT OF TALK -- CLEARLY SOME FOLKS DON'T LIKE THIS PROJECT. SOME FOLKS DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF A PROJECT HERE GENERALLY, BUT THIS PROJECT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOUR COVID PRODUCES. UNDER THE CHARTER, YOU ARE ITS LEGISLATIVE BRANCH OF THE CITY OF TAMPA. AND IF THE CODES AND REGULATIONS THAT YIELD A PROJECTS LIKE THIS FULLY CONSISTENT WITH THE REGULATIONS AND STILL DISSATISFACTION, ISSUE IS WITH THE RECOGNIZE REGULATIONS, NOT THE PROJECTS THAT COMPLY TO THEM AS A LEGISLATIVE BRANCH, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE CHANGES TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND COMP PLAN IF PROJECTS LIKE THIS ARE NOT WHAT YOU AUTOMAKERS WANT TO SEE, FLORIDA LAW AND THE U.S. LAW, THIS NEEDS TO BE AUTO EVALUATED ON THE LAW THAT IT IS TODAY NOT HOW WE IMAGINE OR WANT IT TO BE IN THE FUTURE. BUT SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL CAN DO IN THE FUTURE AND CLEARLY THIS NEIGHBOR HAS SOME INTEREST IN FURTHER DISCUSSING THAT. LAST THING I WANT AT THAT TALK ABOUT IS EVIDENCE. AS I SAID, NOT A NEW CONFLICT ESPECIALLY IN PLACE LIKE FLORIDA WHERE THERE IS A LOT OF GROWTH AND GROWTH CREATES A LOT OF CHALLENGES. AND QUASI JUDICIAL PROCEEDING, YOUR DECISION NEEDS TO BE MADE ON THE BASIS OF SUBSTANTIAL ACHED COMPETENT EVIDENCE. COURTS HAS EXAMINED WHAT THAT IS. HERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT IT IS NOT. SPECULATION. ASSUMPTIONS. LAY TESTIMONY OF THINGS REQUIRE A MEASURE OF EXPERT KNOWLEDGE, FOLKS, SEISMOLOGY, GEO TECHNIC REPORTS, THINGS LIKE THAT. ALL OF THE EVIDENCE PUT INTO THIS RECORD ARE TRAFFIC STUDIES SHOWING OUR PROJECT GENERATES LESS -- FEWER TRIMS THAN ALREADY APPROVED ON THE SITE. OUR SITE PLAN REVIEWED BY EVERY CITY DEPARTMENT AND AGENCY. PLANNING COMMISSION EXPERTS. STAFF REPORT. ALL FOUND CONSISTENCY PEOPLE ARE MA FASCIA EVIDENCE. AND ON THE OTHER SIDE NONE OF WHAT YOU HEAR IN OPPOSITION RESPECTFULLY -- YOU SHOULD LISTEN TO IT, BUT A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN -- OBVIOUSLY CAME FROM THE HEART, THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD CLEARLY LOVE IT, BUT A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LISTENING AND ACTING. LEGALLY, NOT A SINGLE THING THAT YOU HEARD FROM THE OPPOSITION RISE TO THAT LEVEL OF SUBSTANTIAL, COMPETENT EVIDENCE. THIS IS NOT A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT. THIS IS NOT A WORKSHOP. THIS IS A LEGAL PROCEEDING. YOU MUST FOLLOW THE LAW. DID YOU FOLLOW THE LAW WHEN YOU APPROVED THIS UNANIMOUSLY 7-0 AT THE LAST HEARING. AND I WOULD RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT THAT FOLLOWING THE LAW LEADS TO ONLY ONE OUTCOME, AND THIS AFTERNOON, AND IT IS DOING THAT EXACT SAME THING AGAIN ON SECOND READING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DO COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, DO YOU WANT TO READ THIS. >>LUIS VIERA: SURE. LET ME MAKE A STATEMENT AS I DID BEFORE. A LOT OF THINGS HAVE BEEN SAID THAT I HAVE TREMENDOUS RESPECT FOR IN MY HEART. AND I WANT TO SPEAK TO SOME THINGS, IF I MAY. YOU KNOW, THIS PASSED 7-0 LAST TIME. I WANT TO GO OVER SOME FACTS AND SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN DO THAT I REALLY DO THINK WE SHOULD DO AS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL AND AS THE CITY OF TAMPA BECAUSE CARVER CITY AND LINCOLN GARDENS ARE SOME OF THE MOST SPECIAL PARTS IN TAMPA FOR THE REASONS THAT THE PEOPLE HERE HAVE TALKED ABOUT. AS WAS SAID, THIS WAS APPROVED 7-0. WE HAD NO WAIVERS. NO STAFF OBJECTIONS. CLEAN REPORT. PASSED 7-0. I ALWAYS SAY ON THESE THINGS. I AM AN ATTORNEY AND I LOOK AT A LOT OF THINGS WHAT IS ENFORCEABLE UNDER THE LAW AND I SAY THIS IN A LOT OF HEARING AND I WILL SAY IT AGAIN. I DON'T LIKE TO WRITE POLITICAL CHECKS THAT ARE GOING TO BOUNCE. IF I WAS TO -- THIS IS LUIS VIERA TALKING ON BEHALF OF MYSELF, I FEEL IF I WAS TO CHANGE MY VOTE ON THIS, THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES AND REPERCUSSIONS AND POTENTIAL FOR RELIEF BY THE APPLICANT SUCH THAT I WOULD BE VOTING AGAINST WHAT EVENTUALLY HAPPENED. AND TAXPAYER WOULD SPEND A LOT OF MONEY IN LITIGATION COSTS AND DANCE, THE WAIVE THE CASE WOULD -- I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY IN LAND USE WILL VERY LIKELY GO BECAUSE OF THE ISSUES THAT I JUST MENTIONED, RIGHT. AND I DON'T WRITE POLITICAL CHECKS THAT ARE GOING TO BOUNCE, BUT ESPECIALLY TO THIS COMMUNITY. I JUST CAN'T DO THAT. LIKE I AM -- I CAN'T -- IT WOULD -- THAT IS JUST NOT ME. THERE IS A LOT OF ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP. DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE SINKHOLES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT HAPPEN IN DEVELOPMENT AND COMMUNITIES, THE PROBLEM IS, IT HAVEN'T BEEN ESTABLISHED THROUGH EVIDENCE, THROUGH EVIDENCE TO RELY ON WITH COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. I THINK WHAT WE SHOULD DO -- AND I AM NOT THE DISTRICT PERSON FOR LINCOLN GARDEN AND CARVER CITY. A COUPLE OF THINGS WE SHOULD DO VERY BRA EVILLY THAT I WROTE DOWN IS, NUMBER ONE -- BRIEFLY THAT I WROTE DOWN IS NUMBER ONE, DO A WORKSHOP. I AM WILLING TO DO A SPECIAL CALLED WORKSHOP WHERE WE ONLY SKULLS CARVER CITY AND LINCOLN GARDENS AND COME ON A SPECIAL DAY. I WOULD BE 100%. PARDON MY LANGUAGE, HELL YES, TO DEAL WITH PUBLIC SAFETY, MOBILITY AND PROTECTION OF THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER. THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT. NUMBER TWO IS, I WOULD SUPPORT A MOTION THAT SAYS IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, WHAT SPECIFICALLY IS GOING TO BE DONE FOR THESE ISSUES, PUBLIC SAFETY, MOBILITY, PROTECTION OF THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER IN THE CITY OF TAMPA BUDGET. AND THEN TALK ABOUT LAND USE CODE CHANGES SO THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN. SO WE ARE PLAYING WITH DIFFERENT RULES. I WOULD BE 110% FOR THAT. THAT IS FOR ME WHAT THE PROPER REMEDY IS. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I DON'T LIKE DOING WITH THE COMMUNITY OUT HERE. A VERY SPECIAL COMMUNITY THAT I LOVE A LOT. I FEEL LIKE MY HAND ARE TIED ON THIS AND I DON'T LIKE IT. MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU FOR LET ME SPEAK FROM THE HEART WITH THIS. WITH THAT, IF I MAY, I WILL READ NUMBER 47 HERE, IF I MAY. ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 4202 WEST SPRUCE STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN ZONING CLASSIFICATION RS-50 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY, D PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TO ,D RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. BY THE WAY, IF I MAY, TO ADD ON TO THAT, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I TALKED ABOUT TODAY EITHER FROM THE COUNCIL MEMBER IN THE DISTRICT WHO WORKS EXTREMELY HARD FOR THIS COMMUNITY OR FROM THE CITY WHERE IT HAPPENED. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN TODAY IF I MAY. THAT IS THE MOTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, THE LAST SENTENCE MULTIFAMILY, NOT SINGLE-FAMILY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST FOR THE RECORD, A MOTION TO ADOPT? >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. A SECOND FROM -- >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: UNFORTUNATELY I HAVE TO AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. THERE IS NOTHING LEGALLY -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I LOVE THE WAY YOU PHRASE THAT. UNFORTUNATELY -- >>LYNN HURTAK: HE IS A GOOD GUY, BUT I AGREE WITH HIM. THIS ISN'T -- THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT IS EASY TO DO. BECAUSE THE LAW IS VERY CLEAR. THIS IS WHAT IS APPROPRIATE. AND -- AND UNFORTUNATELY, THOUGH, I DO WANT TO CORRECT THE RECORD FOR MR. VIERA, YES, WE CAN LOOK AT LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES, BUT WE CAN NOT GO BACKWARD. WE CAN NOT TAKE AWAY PEOPLE 'S ABILITY AND THE DENSITY THEY ARE ALLOW TO HAVE. THAT IS A STATE LAW. THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH US. WE ARABILITY ALLOW TO TAKE AWAY FOLKS' PROPERTY RIGHTS. THE FOLKS THAT HAVE THE RIGHT HAVE THE ABILITY TO BUILD THIS. NOT SOMETHING WE CAN CHANGE. SO I -- I -- I THINK IT IS -- IT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE SHOULD GO OUT TO THE COMMUNITY WORK ON WAYS TO SOLVE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS, THINK OF STORMWATER. OTHER THINGS FOR THE COMMUNITY. THIS WAS A GOOD WAKE-UP CALL; HOWEVER, I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT THE COMMUNITY SHOULD DOCUMENT THEIR HOMES. SHOULD REACH OUT AND MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANTS AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVES KNOW THAT -- THAT THEY SHARE THAT INFORMATION SO THAT THECOMMUNICATE IF AND W SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THEIR HOMES. UNFORTUNATELY BY FLORIDA LAW, WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO CONSIDER SINKHOLES, ALL OF THAT INFORMATION, WHEN WE ARE REZONING A PROPERTY. THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CONSIDER. MY HEART GOES OUT TO YOU, BUT NOT SOMETHING WE ARE ALLOWED TO CONSIDER UNDER FLORIDA LAW. SO IT'S -- YEAH, THIS -- THIS IS NOT A VOTE I LIKE TO MAKE, BUT THERE IS JUST NO OTHER WAY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES, I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IS AROUND THERE. TARGET, HOME GOODS, THE SHOE STORE, THE RESTAURANT, HOME DEPOT. LET ME GO FURTHER. 20 YEARS OR SO AGO, A CITY HAD A PLAN FROM DALE MABRY -- YOU CAN VERIFY THROUGH THE ARCHIVES, I GO HE IS, TO LOIS TO WIDEN THE STREET. IT HAS NEVER BEEN DONE. DITCHES ARE STILL THERE, I RECALL. YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU ANY AND BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT, BUT IN ZONING, YOU ONLY LISTEN TO WHAT THE FACTS ARE ABOUT THE LAW. THE LAW IS WHAT IT IS. HOWEVER, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT LAWS CAN'T BE CHANGED. YOU SEE 3.5% TO 4% LEFT AVAILABLE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR AVAILABLE LAND FOR CONSTRUCTION. SOME WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE AFTER THAT? YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE REDEVELOPMENT ON THE HOUSES OR BUILDINGS THAT ARE THERE THAT ARE REMOVED. THAT IS THE ONLY WAY YOU WILL GET NEW DEVELOPMENT. SO WHEN I LOOK AT THAT AND THEN I START LOOKING AT WHAT ELSE IS AVAILABLE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FROM DALE MABRY TO LOIS. CAN ANYBODY TELL ME? THE LAND OWNED BY THE CITY OF TAMPA. WHAT HE WAS IS THERE? THE REDNER FAMILY STARTED A VERY SUCCESSFUL -- MAKING BEER, AND THEY DID VERY WELL. I AM PROUD OF THEM DOING THAT. NEIGHBORHOOD HAD TOMORROW OPPOSITION. I WAS HERE THEN. BUT IT WAS SETTLED SOMEHOW. I DON'T REMEMBER HOW, BUT IT WORKED OUT. SO WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT THINGS AND TV STATION IN SPANISH, THERE WAS A POST OFFICE THERE ALSO. AND LAW BUILDING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SPRUCE HEADED TOWARD LOIS AVENUE. THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS THAT ARE BEING STRESSED ON THIS AREA OF THE CITY OF TAMPA. AND HEARING THIS. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO BECAUSE LIKE COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID, THE LAW IS THE LAW, AND SAYS EXACTLY WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO, IRREGARDLESS YOU CONDITION EVEN GET TO YOUR HOUSE. THEY DON'T CARE IF YOU CAN'T GET TO YOUR HOUSE OR NOT. THEY WANT THAT LAND DEVELOPED UNDER A CERTAIN SECTION OF CODE THAT MEETS THE CRITERIA. THEREFORE, A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE CHANGED. AND YOU KNOW WHAT, CHANGE CAN BE DONE IF YOU JUST WORK AT IT. MANY YEARS AGO YOU COULDN'T RUN FOR OFFICE UNLESS YOU PAID A QUALIFYING FEE. SOME YOUNG GUY CHANGED THAT LAW BACK IN THE '70s. NOW YOU CAN RUN FOR OFFICE BY PETITION. DON'T TELL ME THINGS CANNOT BE CHANGED EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE LAWFUL. INCUMBENT ALL OF US TO KNOW WHAT LIFE IS TODAY. AND EVERYWHERE YOU TURN AROUND, EVEN WE, THE CITY OF TAMPA, HAVE CERTAIN AMOUNTS TO DO TO OUR FIRE FIGHTERS AN POLICE AND OTHER EMPLOYEES FOR MENTAL HEALTH. TO UNDERSTAND WHAT LIFE IS ABOUT WITHOUT GETTING INVOLVED AND CREATING MENTAL STRESS. AND IN TODAY'S SOCIETY, PEOPLE DON'T TALK TO EACH OTHER. THEY TEXT. THEY GO ON THE INTERNET. THEY LISTEN TO ALL THE GOSSIP. AND THEY BELIEVE HALF OF IT IS TRUE. SO I AM NOT HERE TO CREATE THE WORLD AND CHANGE THE WORLD, BUT GUESS WHAT, I DON'T DO NONE OF THAT. I DON'T CARE IF PEOPLE SPEAK BAD OR GOOD OF ME. I JUST DO WHAT I THINK IS RIGHT. I KNOW THIS HAS TO PASS BECAUSE OF THE LAW, BUT I AM GOING TO MY STICK IN THE BOOT AND SAY I DON'T CARE WHAT IS HAPPENING. NEIGHBORHOOD IS VERY STRESSED OUT AND IT CAN NOT CHANGE. SO I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK TODAY WE HAVE BEEN PRESENTED WITH ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE FROM THE COMMUNITY. AND THAT WE WERE NOT ABLE TO HEAR BEFORE BECAUSE OF THE DISADVANTAGE OF THE -- THE ITEM GOING SO LATE. AND SO I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING ELSE ABOUT OUR SCHEDULE TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T DO THAT. SINCE THERE WAS NEW EVIDENCE PRESENTED, INCLUDING TRAFFIC AND ALSO LAND USE POLICIES, I AM GOING TO CHANGE MY VOTE. I WISH -- OBVIOUSLY THIS SPACE NEEDS OF TO BE REDEVELOPED. AND IT ALREADY -- IT IS INTENSIVE IN A WAY IN ITS USE. AND SOMETHING HAS GOT TO GO THERE EVEN IF THEY GO WITHIN THE EXISTING ENTITLEMENTS, IT AGAIN RATES THE SAME ISSUE, PILE DRIVING OR WHATEVER. OTHER TECHNOLOGY THEY CAN AUTO US. I HOPE THAT ESPECIALLY IF THIS PASSES, I HOPE THAT THE DEVELOPER WILL WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO TRY TO REDUCE THE IMPACT WHEN EAR PROBLEMS ARE BELT, THEY USE NEW TECHNOLOGIES TO TRY NOT TO HAVE APPEAR IMPACT ON EXISTING HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS. THESE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE UP CREDIBLY HIS FOR LICK IN LAND USE 9.3.9 MOM OTHERS SO I WILL BE VOTING NO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THIS IS A TOUGH ONE. I HAVE BEEN TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THREE TIMES WITH CIVIC ASSOCIATION. I HEAR THE PAIN, THE ANGUISH AND HOW MUCH YOU LOVE YOUR HOMES. THIS IS -- AS COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID, IT IS A TOUGH ONE, BECAUSE THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN SOME OF OUR OTHER DECISIONS. OTHER DECISIONS BAA ISSED ON OPINIONS AND HOW WE PERCEIVE THE FUTURE OF THE CITY. THIS ONE HAS TO BE BECAUSE IT IS QUASI JUDICIAL BASED ON THE COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE PRESENTED BEFORE US, SO I HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HANG MY HAT ON VERY SPECIFIC EVIDENCE PRESENTED TO US. WE HEAR EVIDENCE FROM THE APPLICANT AND WE HEAR EVIDENCE FROM -- FROM Y'ALL THAT CAME UP AND PROVIDED TESTIMONY. AND A VERY, VERY, EMOTIONALLY DIFFICULT QUESTION. COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? >>NAYA YOUNG: I WILL JUST SAY, I AM NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT. BUT I AM PRETTY SURE YOU CAN READ THAT ON MY FACE. I AM NOT -- I AM NOT PLEASED, AND I AM JUST KIND OF PROCESSING MY THOUGHTS, BUT ALSO UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE PROCESS ENTAILS. AND I WOULD JUST URGE THAT -- >>LUIS VIERA: I HAVE A QUESTION? YOU KNOW, STRIKE THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I REALLY DON'T WANT TO TAKE THIS VOTE WITHOUT COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG HERE. >>LYNN HURTAK: DID SHE ALREADY VOTE? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO, SHE DID NOT. >>BILL CARLSON: SOMETIMES THE ISSUE COMES UP IF ONE COUNCIL MEMBER MAKES A DIFFERENCE ON THE HAVE ET COULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE IF YOU NEED A FOURTH VOTE. BUT IF IT ENDS UP IN A TIE, THEN IT WOULDN'T HAVE GONE FORWARD ANYWAY. USUALLY IF -- USUALLY IT DOESN'T MAKE THAT MUCH DIFFERENCE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY, MR. SHELBY? [ INAUDIBLE ] MR. SHELBY, A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. IS THAT YOUR LEGAL OPINION? SHELBY SHE WILL 125I789 OF FACT WILL ENLZ CLENDENIN WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE. >> MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON AND MIRANDA VOTE NOTHING AND YOUNG BEING ABSENT AT VOTE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. OKAY. LET'S TAKE -- THAT WAS EXHAUSTING. SO I AM EMOTIONALLY DRAINED. LET'S BE BACK AT 4:00, PLEASE. >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I SAY ONE THING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHILE WE ARE ON BREAK. IMPLORE YOU TO LOOK AT STAFF REPORT. WAY TOO MANY STAFF REPORTS ON THIS AGENDA. ONE FOR US TO PUNISH OURSELVES AND ANOTHER THING TO PUNISH STAFF. IF WE DO NOT NEED STAFF TO HERE, PLEASE BE PREPARED TO LET THEM GO. IF SOMETHING WE HAVE TO HEAR TODAY OR LET'S CONTINUE THINGS OR ASK FOR A WRITTEN REPORT. LET'S TRY NOT BE HERE UNTIL 8:00 TONIGHT. COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: JUST TO FURTHER MY POINT A MINUTE AGO. HAD COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG BEEN HERE 5-2 OR 3-4 AND WOULDN'T HAVE CHANGED THE I DON'T OUT COME ANYWAY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AGREE. I AGREE. [RECESS] ANYWAY. ANYWAY. [RECESS] >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE. >>NAYA YOUNG: HERE. >>BILL CARLSON: HERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE. >>CLERK: YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM. I SEE A LETTER FROM MR. HUDSON THAT ITEM NUMBER 46 BE WITHDRAWN. A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. THE AYES HAVE IT. MOVED TO 54. ANY APPETITE TO HAVE THE SECOND HEARING. >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, THEY HAVE WITHIN WAITING. I WILL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: I INVITED LOCAL 754. WHILE THEY COME UP AND GET READY FOR THEIR PRESENTATION AND I SEE MR. PEARSON FROM LOCAL 2294, GOOD TO SEE YOU, TIM, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY FIRE FIGHTERS, BECAUSE WE ALWAYS HAVE BEEN BACK AND FORTH ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN AS IT APPLIES TO THE ADMINISTRATION, AND I WANT TO HEAR THE UNION'S VISION, RIGHT. AND THE REASON I DID IT AT THIS TIME AMONG OTHER REASONS IS BECAUSE THIS IS POLITICAL, I GUESS. WE HAVE ELECTIONS COMING UP. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE KNOW WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS OUT THERE AND WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENT NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY AS SEEN THROUGH THE RANK AND FILE FIRE FIGHTERS THROUGH THEIR UNIONS. IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, HAND IT OUT TO THE LOCAL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. PRESIDENT, SAY YOUR. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL, NICK STUCCO, PRESIDENT OF THE TAMPA FIRE FIGHTERS. VICE PRESIDENT WALTER HILL WITH TAMPA FIRE FIGHTERS AS WELL. WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY AFTER A LONG DAY AND FULL AGENDA TO GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP HERE AND PRESENT.FOR SOME HISTORY REFERENCE, IN GIS STUDY WE ARE GETTING READY TO TOUCH ON BRIEFLY. I KNOW WE HAVE TIME CONSTRAINTS AND GIVEN THAT YOU ARE PACKED WITH A FULL AGENDA, THIS GIS STUDY COMPILED BY THE IFF AT ZERO COST TO THE TAXPAYER. WE TOOK ON THE COST OF THIS TO BE ABLE TO REPRESENT THIS. WHAT WE DID DO IS ALL OF THE DATA WE ARE GETTING READY TO SHOW IS THE CITY'S DATA. NOT OUR DATA. THIS IS THE CITY'S DATA THAT WAS OBTAINED THROUGH PUBLIC RECORDS THAT REFERENCED GIS AND CAD. IN YOUR ENVELOPES, YOU SEE SOME HISTORY REFERENCE IN THE BEGINNING. AND I WILL TOUCH ON THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE IN YOUR PACKET THAT WE PROVIDED TO YOU. SO WITH THAT, WE WANT TO GET STARTED.IF WE CAN GET ON THE SCREEN. THIS IS THE -- THE GIS STUDY THAT WE COMPILED, THE IFF COMPILED. AND WE HAD ASKED THEM TO COMPILE IT FOR US. SO THAT WAY IT CAN PROVIDE SOME VISUAL TOOLS AS WELL AS SOME INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC. THIS IS A LINK THAT WE CAN SHARE WITH EVERYBODY. THIS IS A LIVE LINK THAT WE CAN ALSO UPDATE IN REALTIME, SHOULD ADDITIONAL UNITS OR ANY OTHER APPLICATION BE MADE TO THIS REPORT. ON THE SURFACE, THE TOP -- THERE ARE SEVERAL TAB THERE IS, BUT WE WON'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THOSE, BUT WE WILL SOME OF THE MAJOR ONES. WANT TO DIRECT REALLY THREE MAIN ISSUES. I KNOW WE WILL GET CONTINUE TO K-BAR RANCH AND WE WILL TALK OF THAT DURING THE TRAVEL TIME ASSESSMENT OF IT, BUT FROM THE SURFACE, WANT TO START WITH STAFFING. THEN GET TO TRAVEL TIMES. THEN WE WILL GET INTO STATIONS. AS YOU SCROLL DOWN ON THIS LINK HERE, YOU WILL SEE IN 2008 IN YOUR PACKET, THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION FROM TAMPA FIRE RESCUE TO ADHERE TO NFPA 1710. YOU WILL HEAR 1710 A COUPLE OF TIMES THROUGHOUT THIS PRESENTATION. A NATIONAL STANDARD ON FIRE DEPARTMENT -- CAREER FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND THEIR OPERATIONS. WE IN 2008-2009, ESTABLISHED A CONTRACTUAL PROVISION IN OUR COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT THAT THAT THE CITY AND UNION AGREE THAT NFA 20 1710 IS IMPORTANT. SOMETHING WITH THE IN OUR CONTRACT FOR VARIOUS YEARS. GOING TO THIS CONTRACT WHERE THERE AS STATE. THERE IS A JOINT STATEMENT THAT A LOT OF THE THINGS ARE APPLICABLE ON THIS. LOOKING AT THE TOP, IT IS ADDRESSED FROM THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF FIRE FIGHTERS, AS WELL AS THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF FIRE CH CHIEFS.APPEAR LABOR AND MANAGEMENT JOINT COLABLATION THAT THIS MEMO WAS DONE. JOINT FROM ORGANIZATIONS THAT THEY REP AND SUPPORT 1710 AND ITS INITIATIVES. THIS IS SOMETHING AGAIN THAT IS SUPPORTED BY THE IFF AND THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF FIRE CHIEFS THAT SHOW BOTH ARE ALIGNED NATIONALLYNFA 1710 WILL GO INTO LOW, MEDIUM AND HIGH HAZARD. WE WILL GET INTO THAT BRIEFLY. NOT A NEW CONCEPT. THIS IS A GUIDE ED POLICY STANDARD AT DIFFERENT COMMITTEES AT A NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL LEVEL. UNDERSTANDING ON STAFFING, THERE MAY BE FUNDING NEEDS. WE WANT TO TOUCH A LITTLE BIT ON THE FUNDING NEEDS WITH REGARD TO STAFFING. IN YOUR PACKETS, YOU WILL SEE IN THE SECOND SET OF DOCUMENTS IS -- THERE ARE THE SAFER GRANT THROUGH FEMA. YOU WILL SEE WHERE THE CITY OF TAMPA OBTAINED SOME FUNDING, SOME FEDERAL FUNDING. LAST TIME THAT OCCURRED WAS IN FISCAL YEAR OF 2020. WHILE IT IS AVAILABLE EVERY YEAR, YOU WILL SEE AHEAD OF 2020 IN THE RECENT YEARS, YOU WILL MAYBE SEE SOME NEIGHBORING DEPARTMENTS THAT DID OBTAIN SAFER GRANTS AND UPWARD INTO THE $8-PLUS MILLION. WE THINK THAT WILL SIGNIFICANTLY HELP YOU ALL PARTICULARLY DURING BUDGET SPANAND AGAIN THAT IS TH SAFER GRANT. AS WE SCROLL DOWN ON THE GIS STUDY, THERE IS FURTHER INFORMATION. NEXT LINK IS THE NFPA FACT SHEET. WE WILL TRANSITION INTO TRAVEL TIMES AND I WILL LET WALTER TALK OF THE NPFA FACT SHEET THAT WILL LAY THIS STRUCTURE DOWN ON WHAT THE STANDARD IS OF RESPONSE TIMES AND TRAVEL TIMES. >> SO AS NICK MENTIONED, THE GREAT PART ABOUT THIS WEB SITE THAT WE HAVE, IT IS VERY INTERACTIVE. YOU CAN LEARN AS MUCH AS YOU WANT TO LEARN. ONE OF THE LINKS IS THE NFPA FACT SHEET THAT BREAKS DOWN HOW 1710 WORKS. SO ALL YOU HAVE TO HAVE DO IS CLICK ON IT. IT WILL BRING YOU TO THIS. ESSENTIALLY 1710 IS THE NATIONAL STANDARD THAT SETS EXPECTATION OF A PROFESSIONAL CAREER FIRE DEPARTMENT IS ORGANIZED AND DEPLOYED. HOW QUICKLY 911 CALLS SHOULD BE PROCESSED, HOWEVER QUICK FIRE FIGHTERS SHOULD GET OUT THE DOOR, HOW LONG TRAVEL TO THE SCENE SHOULD TAKE AND HOW MANY FIRE FIGHTERS MUST ARRIVE IN A SPECIFIC TIME FRAME TO HANDLE THE EMERGENCY INCIDENT. SETS BENCHMARKS THAT HAVE TO BE MET 990% OF THE TIME BECAUSE IN AN EMERGENCY, RELIABILITY SAVES LIVES. WHAT AN ADEQUATE RESPONSE IN SPEED, STAFFING AND OPERATIONAL READINESS AND PROVIDE AN OBJECTIVE BENCHMARK TO MEASURE WHETHER WE ARE MEETING THAT RESPONSIBILITY. AS YOU SCROLL THROUGH THIS, A SAFE AND EFFECTIVE RESPONSE THAT REQUIRES A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PERSONNEL. AS IT COMES OUT IN THE YEAR -- TECHNOLOGY -- IT WILL SHOW YOU THAT SINGLE-FAMILY LOW HAZARD RESPONSE TAKES 17 FIRE FIGHTERS. AS YOU CONTINUE TO SCROLL, MEDIUM-HAZARD RESPONSE 28 FIRE FIGHTERS. IT IS LIKE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX OR AN OPEN STRIP MALL. HIGH HAZARD RESPONSE IS 43 FIRE FIGHTERS. LOOK AT THE HIGH-RISES. YOU CAN'T LOOK OUT A SINGLE WINDOW WITHOUT FINDING ONE. MEETING RESPONSE TIME OBJECTIVES IS CRITICAL COMPONENT AT THE RISK OF NOT ONLY THE FIRE FIGHTERS BUT ALSO THE CITIZENS. IN THIS CHART, IT BREAKS DOWN THE TIMES THAT YOU CONSTANTLY HEAR BEING REFERENCED TOO. FOUR-MINUTE RESPONSE TIME IS WHAT IT SAYS FOR THE FIRST TWO ENGINES. TO CLEAR, THE TIME SPENT ON THE ROAD.FROM THE TIME THE FIRE FIGHTERS LEAVE THE STATION TO THE TIME THEY ARRIVE AT THE SCENE. THE SECOND ARRIVING UNIT IS SUPPOSED TO BE WITHIN SIX MINUTES. AS YOU SEE HERE, THE LOW, MEDIUM AND IS EIGHT MINUTES. AND HIGH HAZARD IS TEN MINUTES. ESSENTIALLY, THIS IS -- WE WILL GET INTO IT A LITTLE LATER IN THE SLIDE. IT WILL SHOW YOU WHERE WE ARE IN REELS TO THIS TRAVEL TIME. YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A FOUR-MINUTE BENCHMARK AND WE WILL REFER SHORTLY TO WHAT OUR CURRENT STATS ARE. >> THANK YOU, WALTER. YOU KNOW, WE MENTIONED AT THE TOP OF THIS, YOU CAN TRAVEL TO DIFFERENT AREAS OF THIS LENGTH. IF YOU TRAVEL -- TRAVEL TO TRAVEL TIME. THESE MAPS ARE INTERACTIVE. AND AS WALTER MENTIONED, THE FOUR-MINUTE OR THE 90-SECOND AREA, NFPA 1710 REQUIRES TRAVEL TIME OF FOUR MINUTES OR LESS FOR THE FIRST ARRIVING ENGINE COMPANY AT THE SCENE OF FIRE INCIDENTS. AND WHAT THIS CHART SHOWS AGAIN NOT OUR DATA, BUT DATA WE OBTAINED FROM THE CITY WAS THAT ABOUT 60.8% OF THE TIME THAT STANDARDS WERE NOT MET, MEANING THAT FOUR-MINUTE STANDARD WAS NOT MET. AND I WANT -- I WANT TO BE SURE -- JUST STAY ON TRACK. IS SO WHEN YOU SEE THAT 90 PERCENTILE TO THE LEFT, 90% OF THE INCIDENTS. SIMPLY PUT, TEN EMERGENCY CALLS ON NINE OF THEM, WE SHOULD MEET THE FOUR-MINUTE BENCHMARK, THE 90th PERCENTILE. YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDES, 90th PERCENTILE SHOWS UP AGAIN. WHAT IT SHOW IS, AGAIN, IF WE HAVE TEN CALLS, NINE SHOULD AT LEAST MEET THAT BENCHMARK. THIS IS BETWEEN 2020 AND THROUGH 2024. THERE IS THE FOUR-MINUTE THRESHOLD THAT YOU SEE THERE. THIS IS A DEPARTMENT TRAVEL TIME. NOT AN APPARATUS. THIS IS THE DEPARTMENT ONE. YOU WILL SEE OVER THE COURSE OF 2020 AND 2024 AS TIME HAS INCREASED FROM THE EIGHT MINUTE 23 TO THE EIGHT MINUTE 50 MARK. WE HAVEN'T WILL HAD AN AUTOMATED SYSTEM THROUGH OUR DISPATCHER OR AUTOMATIC VEHICLE LOCATORS, THIS IS THE STANDARD METRIC WITHOUT THOSE INSTRUMENTS AND WITHOUT THAT EQUIPMENT FROM 2020. SO OBVIOUSLY, WE SEE THAT THE TIME HAS BEEN GETTING LONG ER CERTAINS THAT 2020 RANGE. THE NEXT SLIDE IS -- IT GETS BROKEN DOWN INTO ITS AREAS. STATIONS 1-25 ARE SHOWN ON THAT MAP. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, MEETING THAT FOUR-MINUTE THRESHOLD TIME, WE ARE NOT SEEING THE UNITS MEET THAT. AND THIS IS JUST IN TRAVEL TIME. THIS IS FROM THE TIME THAT THE FIRE FIGHTERS LEAVE THE STATION TO THE TIME THEY ARRIVE AT THE INCIDENT. WHERE YOU WILL NOTE IN THIS -- WHERE YOU WILL NOTE IN THIS ONE IS -- IS MAINLY THE LONGER TRAVEL TIMES, RIGHT. AS MANY OF YOU KNOW UP IN THE NEW TAMPA AREA, THERE IS MORE OF A GEOGRAPHICAL HURDLE THAN THERE WOULD BE WITHIN THE CORE OF THE CITY WHICH IS MORE OF A DENSITY. ALTHOUGH THERE MAY BE TRAFFIC ON BOTH SIDES OF THE CITY, YOU WILL NOTICE THAT THE HIGHER ONES ARE STATIONS 14, WHICH IS THE PALMA CEIA AREA AT OVER TEN MINUTES AN THEN STATIONS 20, 21 AND 22 -- I AM SORRY, 20, 21, 22 AND 23 ARE IN THE K-BAR RANCH, NEW TAMPA AREA. STATION 23 AND STATION 21 -- SORRY, STATION 22 AND STATION 21 IN THAT K-BAR RANCH AREA AND AVERAGING RIGHT AROUND THE APPROXIMATE OF TEN-MINUTE TRAVEL TIME. WHY THESE TRAVEL TIMES ARE IMPORTANT ARE FOR VARIOUS REASONS. ONE IS, YOU CAN'T CONTROL WHERE THE INCIDENT ARISES. YOU CAN'T CONTROL WHERE THAT 911 CALL IS. WHAT IS GOVERNED THROUGH POLICY IS WHERE THE START LINE IS, IS WHERE THE UNIT IS COMING FROM. AS UNITS ARE ON OTHER CALLS, THEY MAY BE COMING FROM FURTHER DISTANCES WHICH IS WHY TRAVEL TIMES MAY SHOW WHAT THEY DO SHOW. AS OTHER UNITS ARE BUSY ON OTHER CALLS, OTHER UNITS ARE COMING FROM OTHER AREAS. YOU ASK ANY FIRE FIGHTER IF YOU EVER TALKED TO ONE. THERE IS NOT A FIRE FIGHTER THAT IS MOST EXCITED TO BE FIRST INTO A STRUCTURE FIRE. FROM THE SECOND THAT CALL COMES IN, THEY WANT TO BE FIRST. AND THEY WILL RACE TO GET THERE AS FAST AS THEY CAN. AND WHEN THEY GET THERE, NOT ONLY THEIR ADRENALINE RUNNING AND REMEMBER READY TO PUT THAT FIRE OUT AND GO INTO THAT HOUSE AND LOOK FOR THAT VICTIM, AS THEY ARE DOING ALL YOU HAVE THESE TASKS, I PROMISE THAT YOU THE NEXT THING ON THEIR MIND IS, WHERE IS THAT NEXT UNIT COMING FROM? AND THEY ARE THINKING THAT AND THEY ARE THINKING DOES THE NEXT UNIT -- BECAUSE I KNOW THEY HEARD IT AS IT COME ACROSS THE RADIO. DO THEY HAVE THREE PEOPLE OR FOUR PEOPLE. BECAUSE YOU ARE THINKING OF ALL THOSE THINGS. LIKE GOING TO THE GROCERY STORE, LOADING UP YOUR CART, GETTING HOME AND THINKING HOW AM I GOING TO GET ALL THESE GROCERIES INSIDE. I WISH I HAD THESE HANDS. I AM SURE IF YOU HAD ONE SET OR TWO SET OF HANDS HELPING YOU UNLOAD THE GROCERY, IT WILL GET DONE QUICKER AND THE SAME CONCEPT APPLIES HERE. REDUCED TRAVEL TIMES AND RESPONSE TIME ARE IMPORTANT TO THE PUBLIC BUT ALSO, TOO, TO THE FIRE FIGHTERS. I KNOW THAT WE SHOWED SOME STATISTICS ON TRAVEL TIMES. WE DID NOT HAVE -- WE DO NOT HAVE THE FULL UNIT RESPONSE TIMES. WE -- WE DO, BUT THOSE ARE ON A SEPARATE REPORT. THIS LINK IS VERY ACTIVE AND CAN BE ACCESSED. FROM A STATION FUNDING CONTEXT, I KNOW TWO YEARS AGO FROM A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO. COUNCIL APPROVED A $50 MILLION BONDING. SO WHILE WE'VES TO FUND STAFFING THROUGH THE SAFER GRANTS, THERE WAS AN AVENUE THAT WAS PASSED THROUGH $50 MILLION OF BONDING TO ADD ADDITIONAL FIRE STATIONS AND INSTALLATIONS. WE HAVE NOT HAD AN ADDITIONAL FIRE STATION IN THE CITY PROPER SINCE ARGUABLY THE '80s. LAST FIRE STATION WAS FIRE STATION 23 IN 2019 UP IN THE COUNTYLINE ROAD UP NORTH. SO THIS IS WHY STATIONS MATTER. AND THIS IS WHY WE BELIEVE THAT CONTINUING WITH YOUR SUPPORT AND THE OFFERED ADMINISTRATION'S SPORT TO REDUCE THESE RESPONSE TIMES ARE IMPORTANT FOR MEETING THE STANDARDS. WHEN IT COMES TO SAVING LIVES, EVERY MINUTE MATTERS. WHEN IT COMES TO FIRE GROWTH, EVERY SECOND COUNTS. EVERY 60 SECOND THAT GO BY, THE FIRE CONTINUES TO GROW. EVERY TEN SECONDS THAT GOES BY, BRAIN DETER RIORATION CONTINUES THROUGH LOW OXYGEN BRAIN. I THINK WE ARE ON A TIME CONSTRAINT AND WE ARE RIGHT AT 15 MINUTES. SHORT IN CONCLUSION, THE NPA 1710 CALLS FOR A MINIMUM OF FOUR-PERSON APPARATUS FIRE RESPONSE AND CREATES FOR A SAFER ENVIRONMENT, QUICKER RESPONSE TIME, WORKLOAD ON THE FIRE FIGHTERS, AS WELL AS BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE MORE FOR THE COMMUNITY. AS WE CONTINUE TO SEE CITIES WITHIN THEMSELVES GROW WHETHER IT WAS WATER STREET, GASWORX, THE SEVEN-STORY BUILDING OR AS SUCH AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS HAVE GROWN IN THE CITY, WE ARE SEEING CITIES GROWN WITHIN THEMSELVES. AND I KNOW YOU HAVE HEARD THAT AD NAUSEAM, BUT IT HAS A DIRECT IMPACT EACH TIME THAT SOMETHING IS DEVELOPED. AND THAT THESE RESPONSE TIMES ARE CURE FOR. SO WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I WANTED TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR THAT. I MEAN, THAT -- I TAKE A LOOK AT THESE CHARTS THAT WERE GIVEN. I REALLY WOULD LIKE -- SO -- IS THIS ON? SO IN TERMS OF -- I REMEMBER BACK 2019, YOU GUYS DID A PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN. AS WE CALL IT TODAY AND JOE GRECO HANDING IT OUT. WHEN I LOOK AT THESE CHARTS, ESPECIALLY ON THE RESPONSE TIMES FOR EACH STATION. TOP QUOTE THE CARS, JUST WHAT I KNEE NEEDED, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. COUPLE OF THINGS I WANTED TO POINT OUT FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN. WANTED TO REMIND COUNCIL THAT I DID A MOTION. WE WILL HAVE A REPORT BACK FROM LEGAL OF THE FEASIBILITY OF AN ORDINANCE MANDATING A JOINT PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN AND WE WILL SEE WHAT WE ARE ABLE TO DO ON THAT. AND REVIEW A FEW THINGS. NUMBER ONE, SOME THINGS OF THE STATIONS, THAT FOUR OUT OF THE FIVE STATIONS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA WITH THE LONGEST RESPONSE TIMES. FOUR COME FROM NEW TAMPA, RIGHT. FOUR COME FROM NEW TAMPA. BY THE WAY THEY ARE CLOSE ON OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY. IT IS NOT LIKE IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS RUN AWAY, BUT IT IS BIG AND ESPECIALLY THE K-BAR RANCH AREA. NOT THE NUMBER OF CARS, BUT RATHER RESPONSE TIMES. I LOOK AT OTHER AREAS. I KNOW WITH STATION 9 WE BELIEVE MAKING I BELIEVE PROGRESS WITH REAL ESTATE AND THE MOVING OF THE FLEET MAINTENANCE FACILITY AND HOPE HOPEFULLY EXPANDING STATION 9. SOMETHING THAT IS SO VERY CRITICAL. HEAR OF SO MUCH WORK FORCE HOUSING IN WEST TAMPA, WHAT ARE WE DOING TO EXPAND FIRE SERVICE OUT THERE. THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT. I AM NOT GOING TO MENTION BASEBALL. ASK THE RAYS TO MEET WITH THE POLICE BENEVOLENT. IF WE ARE HERE AND WELCOME A MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL TEAM AND NOT GET TO WHERE WE SHOULD BE IN TAMPA WHEN IT COMES TO FIRE INSTALLATION WHERE IS I THINK, AND I THINK COUNCIL ALSO THINKS WE SHOULD BE AT, WE HAVE GOT TO DO OUR WORK IN THAT REGARD. I THINK THAT IS VERY HAVE VERY IMPORTANT. PALMA CEIA, I WILL TALK ABOUT THAT WHAT WE CAN DO IN THE ABOUTING THIS YEAR. I WOULD LOVE TO SUPPORT SOMETHING IF COUNCILMAN CARLSON BROUGHT SOMETHING UP FOR -- FOR THAT IN THE BUDGET WOULD TRULY SUPPORT THAT DOWNTOWN. I -- I SAY THESE THINGS ON HOW -- ON HOW WE NEED MORE FIRE STATIONS AND I ALWAYS REMIND PEOPLE THAT I TRY TO -- AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DISAGREE WITH THIS, BUT I TRY TO PROPOSE A REVENUE SOURCE FOR THIS. NOT A GUY THAT SAYS WE NEED TO DO ALL THESE THINGS AND MAKE IT HAPPEN. HEY, LET'S RAISE TAXES JUST A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I THINK THE PUBLIC, REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS, WILL BE OKAY WITH PAYING A DOLLAR AMOUNT TO IF THAT MEANS THAT COPS AND FIRE FIGHTERS DO THEIR JOBS BETTER IN PROTECTING US. I HAVE NO PROBLEM SAYING THAT AT ALL. I DO THINK IT IS IMPORTANT WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC SAFETY, AND WE LOOK AT THE BUDGET. I AM GOING TO BE SEEKING IN THE CITY OF TAMPA BUDGET NOT WITH FIRE, BUT MONEY SET ASIDE FOR WHOEVER TAKES MY PLACE IN DISTRICT 7 FOR A SUBSTATION PRESENCE FOR TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, SOMETHING THERE. BUT WE SHOULD LOOK AT THIS BUDGET. AND MAKING SOME SORT OF PRESENCE KNOWN, WHETHER ITS IN PALMA CEIA. I SAY THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, DOING A LOT OF IS IT YOU HAVE IN NORTH TAMPA, I KNOW WE HAVE GOT TO DO MORE, BUT PALMA CEIA. WE CAN'T FORGET ABOUT OUR FRIENDS THERE AND DOWNTOWN TAMPA WITH EXPANSION OF FIRE STATION 1. OR TAKING A LOOK AT SOME SORT OF FIRE STATION RESCUE PRESENCE IN THE CHANNELSIDE AREA. SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT FOR A LONG TIME. AGAIN, IN CLOSING, FOLKS, THE REASON I DID THIS BECAUSE I WANT THESE STATS TO SCREAM AT US ESPECIALLY FOR THE NEXT ELECTION. BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT LOCAL 754 -- AND I KNOW YOU GUYS WILL -- HOLD PEOPLE'S FEET TO THE FIRE WHETHER MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, DOGCATCHER ON FIRE STATIONS. THAT IS IMPORTANT. I KNOW YOU WILL ALL WILL DO IT BUT I WANT THE FOLKS SEE IT WITH THEIR OWN TWO EYES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. COUNCILMAN CARLSON. CAS CARLSON JUST QUICKLY. IN A MONTH, ONE YOU HAVE US WILL BE GONE. IN A YEAR, TWO OF US WILL BE GONE. I THINK YOU HAVE FULL SUPPORT OR AT LEAST MAJORITY SUPPORT FOR WHATEVER YOU ALL WANT TO DO AND WHAT YOU THINK IS BEST ON MANY ISSUE RELATED TO FIRE, THE ADMINISTRATION OBVIOUSLY DISAGREES. I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE, ASIDE FROM THE PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN THAT HAD THE ADMINISTRATION IS DOING, I THINK IT WILL BE A GOOD IDEA FOR YOU HAVE ALL TO COME UP WITH A LIST OF WHAT YOU THINK WILL BE PRIORITY. AND THEN TRY TO BUILD CONSENSUS WITH THIS GROUP AS IT STAND NOW SO THAT AFTER THE NEXT ELECTION, YOU GUYS CAN GO TO THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL AND SAY, HEY, THE LAST CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THIS AS AN AS PER RAILINGSAL LIST OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT -- ASPIRATIONAL LIST, NOT AN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BUT ASPIRATIONAL LIST AND LEARNING CURVE FOR ALL THE NEW PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE BOARD. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I AM NOT AGAINST YOU. I AM FOR YOU. BUT SOME THINGS WERE SAID THAT MAKE MY HAIR GROW AGAIN. MAKE IT WHAT IT IS. SPORTS AND SPORTS AND SPORTS. I AM NOT ANTI-SPORT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OH, LORD, HERE WE GO. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MR. VIERA STARTED IT. NAME ONE SPORT THAT PLAYS AD VALOREM TAX, ONE? I DON'T SEE NO HANDS GOING UP. YOU WANT TO CHARGE PUBLIC A DOLLAR MORE, AND I AM FOR THAT, BUT YOU DON'T WANT THE A I HAD WHY UP TO PAY TAX. RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU DON'T PAY TAX? I DON'T SEE NO HANDS GO UP RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU PAY TAX. ALL OF DO YOU. WHY SHOULD I EXEMPT THEM? ANY WHICH IS TO DOESN'T PLAY AD VALOREM TAX, ABSOLUTELY NOT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT GLAMOUR IS. I LOVE SPORTS. GREATEST THINGS IN THE WORLD FOR KID TO GET INVOLVED AND OPEN YOUR MIND OF WINNING AND LOSING AND THAT KIND OF STUFF, BUT I NEVER, EVER VOTED FOR ONE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, BACK TO THE AGENDA ITEM. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: STATION 9 WHICH I KNOW VERY WELL IN WEST TAMPA. THEY COULDN'T GET TO THE STADIUM AND TO MY HOUSE IN NINE MINUTES IF YOU GAVE THEM A HEAD START ON GAME DAY. AN HOUR AND A HALF BEFORE THE GAME AND AN HOUR AND A HALF AFTER THE GAME, YOU CAN NOT ENTER WEST TAMPA, WHETHER YOU HAVE A SIREN, A FIRE DEPARTMENT, A POLICE DEPARTMENT. YOU CAN'T. AND MORE INCIDENTS HAPPEN ON -- ON MacDILL BETWEEN MLK AND COLUMBUS DRIVE ON GAME DAY THAN ALL YEAR LONG ON ONE GAME ALONE. MORE ACCIDENTS. I CAN TELL YOU, I HAVE BEEN HIT TWICE. NOT ME, THE CAR. SO WHAT I AM SAYING IS, THEY TRIED TO GET ME, BUT I WAS IN THE CAR. I AM ONLY JOKING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I MISSED. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MR. CHAIRMAN WANTS TO GET THE BEST OF ME AND I WILL LET HIM FOR A LITTLE BIT. WHAT I AM SAYING IS THE RESPONSE TIME IS NOT GOOD BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC IS TERRIBLE. NOT THAT YOU DON'T NEED STATION, THE TRAFFIC -- YOU CAN'T -- I DON'T CARE IF YOU HAVE A JET ENGINE AND A FIRE ENGINE YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GET THERE IN FOUR MINUTES. THAT IS MY OPINION. I AM FOR YOU. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? CHANGE THE MODE OF TRANSPORTATION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA BY PUTTING LIGHT RAIL OVERHEAD. BUT YET WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT AND EXPAND THE EXPRESSWAY TO BE STUCK IN TRAFFIC. I KNOWN MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU DON'T WANT ME TO SPEAK THAT MUCH. BUT I WILL SAY THE TRUTH. THAT'S IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. YOU KNOW NEXT TIME I WILL AIM BETTER WITH MY CAR. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED A FIRE HELICOPTER? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OH, MY LORD. I THINK I HAVE SEEN THAT SATURDAY MORNING CARTOON. IS IT "PAW PATROL?" >>LYNN HURTAK: PEAKING OF "PAW PATROL" SOUND LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, YOU ARE RECOMMENDING A DALMATIAN IN EVERY FIREHOUSE. YOU SAID DOGCATCHER. I DON'T KNOW. [LAUGHTER] >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I SECOND THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING STATISTICS. NOTHING BETTER THAN A VISUAL. AND I THINK THIS REALLY SHOWS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND W WHY. YOU ALL ARE JUST CONSTANTLY ASKING FOR MORE. I AM -- THIS HIGHLIGHTS FOR ME THE IMPORTANCE OF STATION 24 AND WHY -- WHILE THEY HAVE IMPROVED THE ONTIMELINE BY 35 DAY, THAT SIMPLY NOT ENOUGH. THIS IS VERY SOBERING AND I THINK THIS IS VERY NECESSARY AND I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT. THANK YOU FOR PUTTING IT ON THE SCREEN. ABSOLUTELY SHARE THIS WEB SITE WITH US, WITH EVERYONE. EVERYWHERE YOU CAN PUT IT OUT, SOCIALS, WHATEVER. I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS PEOPLE NEED THE OPPORTUNITY TO DIG THROUGH. THE PUBLIC AS WELL. AND SO THEY KNOW HOW TO ADVOCATE FOR YOU. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS. I AM GLAD. ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A -- WE DO HAVE A BUDGET WORKSHOP FOR 2027 COMING UP ON MARCH 3 THAT EVENING. DON'T MISS IT. I KNOW YOU WON'T. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BE THERE AND BE SQUARE. >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS IS THAT TIME TO TALK ABOUT THAT. I KNOW WE WILL TALK ABOUT IT ANYWAY AND MAKING SURE THAT AS WE LOOK AT 2027, WE START TO CONSIDER WHAT WE WANT AND WHAT THIS COMMUNITY WANTS, THAT IS ALWAYS ON OUR AGENDA. SO THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK YOU KNOW YOU HAVE OF A 754 FRIENDLY COUNCIL. WE SUPPORT THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THAT STAND AND PROTECT THE CITY OF TAMPA. AND WE HAVE SPOKEN WITH OUR VOTES ON YOUR ISSUE. WE SPOKEN WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA ON YOUR ISSUES AND COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK ALLUDED TO THE TIMING OF GETTING THESE PROJECTS ROLLED OUT IS JUST EXTRAORDINARY TRUST REAL WILLING. EVERYTHING IS SO SLOW. I AM HOPING IN -- FRUSTRATING. EVERYTHING IS SO SLOW. I AM HOPING IN THE COMING YEARS WHATEVER IS NEEDED TOE PETITION DIET THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT LOOK LIKE. LOWLY COUNCIL PERSONS THAT PASS THESE THINGS AND ADMINISTRATION IS ONE THAT MAKES THESE THINGS HAPPEN AUTOMAKERS. BUT WAY TOO SLOW FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENT. I WORKED FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR 30 YEARS. BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PROJECTS DONE IN HALF THE TIME. AND I GET THAT THE STAFF AND THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF PRESSURE CH YOU ARE.WE HAVE LESS STAFF NOW THAN WE HAVE IN HISTORIC TIMES, BUT WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING IN POSITIONS THAT ARE DOING MULTIPLE JOBS AND POSITIONS. THEY ARE COVERING, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT -- DIFFERENT -- WAY TOO MUCH WORK FOR WAY TOO MANY PEOPLE. HOW IS THAT. SO WE GOT TO SOLVE THAT ONE WAY OR OTHER BECAUSE THESE PROJECTS HAVE GO THE TO GET OUT OF THE GROUND AND MOVING FORWARD. OTHERWISE, THE CITY IS GOING TO MOVE ON WITHOUT US, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. PRIVATE SECTOR IS BUILDING AND PEOPLE ARE MOVING HERE AND WE GOT TO KEEP UP. AGAIN, YOU GOT A FIRE AND POLICE-FRIENDLY COUNCIL HERE. WE ARE WORKING WITH YOU GUYS TO GET YOU WHAT YOU GUYS NEED. COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, I SAW YOUR LIGHT COME ON. >>NAYA YOUNG: TO ECHO ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, ONE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BRINGING THIS BOARD. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU SAID NOTHING BETTER THAN A VIRTUAL. AND JUST LOOKING -- A VISUAL. AND JUST LOOKING AT THIS. I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT STATION 18 AND I'M LOOKING AT THE TIME AND REMEMBER BEING THERE AND THERE WAS JUST A MAP AT THE FRONT AND WHERE THE STATION WITH AS LOCATED IN THE AREA THAT THEY COVER AND IT WAS QUITE LARGE. AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE DRIVER -- I FORGOT HIS NAME. HE WAS JUST TELLING ME SOMETIMES IF THEY ARE SOMEWHERE AND RESPONSING TO AN EMERGENCY, AND FIRE STATION FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE HAS TO COME. AND JUST -- BUT JUST SEEING ON THE MAP HOW BIG THE AREA IS. AND WE WERE THERE FOR TWO HOURS. TIMES WE WERE THERE, PARAMEDICS WERE GONE THE WHOLE TIME. THEM DIDN'T GET BACK UNTIL WE WERE LEAVING BECAUSE WHEN THEY GOT THERE, THEY WERE AT AN EMERGENCY AND TAKE THE PERSON TO TAMPA GENERAL WHEREVER THEY HAD TO TAKE THEM. THEY DIDN'T COME BACK UNTIL WE WERE ABOUT TO LEAVE. AGAIN, NOTHING BETTER THAN VISUAL, BUT ACTUALLY SEEING THESE, YOU KNOW, RESPONSE TIMES AND -- AND PART OF OUR JOB IS PUBLIC SAFETY. THIS IS PUBLIC SAFETY MAKING SURE PEOPLE ARE SAFETY. I APPRECIATE DOING THE WORK AND BRINGING IT FORWARD TO US. UP AGREE WITH YOUR SEDIMENTS CHAIR CLENDENIN. ONE OF THE THINGS I LEARNED SINCE I AM NEW. WHY DOES EVERYTHING TAKE SO LONG. BUT I AM HOPING THAT WE ARE ABLE TO MOVE THINGS QUICKER. THANK YOU, ALL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, NICK, WALTER. CHIEF TRIPP, I KNOW YOU ARE STANDING BY AND A PRESENTATION JUST ON 754. COUNCIL WILL BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN YOUR PRESENTATION IN ANOTHER TIME. WE ARE RUNNING BEHIND AND MOVE PAST THIS AGENDA ITEM NOW. COUNCIL PERSONS, I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO CLEAR SOME OF THIS AGENDA AND LET SOME STAFF GO IF WE CAN. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: AS FAR AS 50 AND 51 GO, WE HEARD CLEARLY THAT T-TAG IS FINE WITH MOVING THE MONEY BACK TO THE TREE TRUST FUND. SO MY MOTION IS TO TAKE ITEMS 50 AND 51 AND HAVE THEM COME BACK AGAIN WITH SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION THAT COMES FROM THE TREE TRUST FUND, THE $125,000. AT THE NEXT AVAILABLE -- HOWEVER LONG THAT IS GOING TO TAKE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PUT THAT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT CAN BE ON CONSENT AGENDA IN TWO WEEKS WHICH WILL BE MARCH 5. >>MARTIN SHELBY: QUESTION, IF I CAN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: COMING BACK IN TWO WEEKS AND NOT BEEN DONE. DEADLINE IS TOMORROW. >>LYNN HURTAK: THEY KIND ALREADY DONE IT BECAUSE WE ASKED THEM TO COME BACK WITH THE SUBSTITUTE. THEY CAN COME BACK WITH THE ORIGINAL. IN THEY HAVE A PROBLEM, THEY CAN REACH OUT. BUT KAYLA, GIVE ME A THUMBS UP IF THAT IS COOL. >> THAT'S FINE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION AND IS SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER MANIS MANISCALCO. >>LYNN HURTAK: 50 AND 51. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT ELSE CAN WE CLAIRE FROM THE AGENDA. >>MARTIN SHELBY: 62 WAS CONTINUED. >>LYNN HURTAK: ALREADY DONE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: STORMWATER MASTER PLAN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT ONE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: 52 AND 53 WITH NO STAFF BUT BIG TICKET EYE. >>LYNN HURTAK: RECEIVE AND FILE -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: I THINK YOU HAVE TO MOVE THEM HIGH TEMPERATURE HURTAK MOVE 52 AND 53. THAT'S IT. CLENDENIN WILL ENCORE LOT 12 A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK TO MOVE 52 AND 53. SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. AYES HAVE IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 55? >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS IMPORTANT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET ME SAY THIS BEFORE WE CONTINUE THIS. WE ARE BACKED UP ON AGENDAS. YOU SEE ALL OF OUR AGENDAS ARE FULL FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTH. ANYBODY WANT TO ENTERTAIN ADDING A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING? >>LYNN HURTAK: SURE. MIRANDA SHOULD BE ON TUESDAYS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TUESDAYS ARE FINE. >>LYNN HURTAK: LET'S PULL UP THE CALENDARS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ST. PATRICK'S DAY, THE 17th. >>MARTIN SHELBY: BEFORE YOU PICK A DATE, I WANT SPECIFICITY WHAT YOU WANT THAT MEETING TO BE. -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SPECIAL CALLED REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING. WHAT'S THAT? WHAT IS IT? >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT FAR IN ADVANCE. >>BILL CARLSON: JUST SAID WE ARE UP AGAINST DEADLINES ALREADY. IF IT COMES UP SOONER, THEN WE CAN -- MA. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVEN'T DECIDED ON THE DATE YET. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MARCH 24. >>LYNN HURTAK: I CAN DO THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TUESDAY, MARCH 24. IS THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS OPEN FROM 9 TO 3. >>MARTIN SHELBY: PARDON, WHAT DID YOU SAY? >>LYNN HURTAK: MARCH 24. MARCH 24 IS WEIGH IN ADVANCE. >>LUIS VIERA: MAY I, MR. CHAIR. SOMEBODY SAID APRIL 7. I APOLOGIZE. I THOUGHT IT WAS IN THE EVENING. IN THE DAY, I CAN MAKE THAT WORK. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DOES APRIL 7 WORK? >>LYNN HURTAK: IS MARCH 24 -- THE BARRIO AT NIGHT? >> NO, AT 9:00 IN THE MORNING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOW LONG DO THEIR MEETINGS LAST? >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK IT IS B BETTER TO GIVE US MORE TIME. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN -- >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT ARE WE MOVING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE SCHEDULES ARE PACKED AND WE WILL HAVE A LOT OF LONG MEETINGS IF WE DON'T SPREAD SOME AROUND. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I SEE, A PLACEHOLDER FOR A SPECIALLY CALLED MEETING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE CAN MOVE THINGS AROUND -- SO WE DON'T HAVE THESE LENGTHY AWFUL MEETINGS. >>LYNN HURTAK: SO THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAVE ON THE 7th IS ACTUALLY A PRESS CONFERENCE FOR US FOR THE CRA FOR THE HERMAN MASSEY. SO WE JUST NEED. >>BILL CARLSON: SOUNDS LIKE THE CITY IS TRYING TO MAKE IT THEIR PRESS CONS OFFICER RESIDENCE, BY THE WAY. >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET'S GO BEYOND THAT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT TIME IS THAT PRESS CONFERENCE. >>LYNN HURTAK: TWO OF THEM FOR 10:30 AND 2:30. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TUESDAY, MARCH 31. >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM PACKED. YEAH. 24th WILL BE GREAT. 7th IS FINE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MARCH 24. >>LYNN HURTAK: HE CAN'T DO THE 24th. 7th IS FINE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SCHEDULE A REGULAR CITY COUNCIL SPECIALLY CALLED MEETING APRIL 7 FROM 9 A.M. TO 3 P.M. AS A PLACEHOLDER. IF WE CAN CONTINUE TO THOSE MEETINGS IF WE WOULD LIKE. COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 9 TO 3:00. HAVE LUNCH OR NOT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PROBABLY NOT. >>LYNN HURTAK: I CAN'T DO THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE WILL HAVE LUNCH. 9 TO 3:00 WILL END UP BEING 9 TO 5. >>LYNN HURTAK: WE SAY 9:00. DON'T PUT AN ENDING ON IT. >>LYNN HURTAK: APRIL 7. >>MARTIN SHELBY: APRIL 7, 9 TO 3:00. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: 9:00 WITHOUT AN END TIME. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIR, I WILL MAKE A REQUEST FOR THAT SPECIAL CALLED MEETING. SPECIAL CALL, NO PRESENTATIONS, NO CEREMONIAL AND NO OFF-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENTS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE WILL GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM HAPPY WITH THE CEREMONIALS AND PRESENTATIONS, BUT I DON'T WANT TO POLICE PUBLIC COMMENT.THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE. AND YOU JUST MAKE PEOPLE MAD. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET'S GET BACK TO YOU WITH THAT. WE WILL TALK OFF-LINE AN FIGURE OUT A PROCEDURE. >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU TWO CAN TALK OFF. LINE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY, APRIL FOR THE RECORD, APRIL 7 AT 9 A.M. START TIME. REGULAR SESSION, SPECIAL CALLED MEETING IN TAMPA CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS. AND WE WILL HAVE TO CLEAR THAT SCHEDULE. OKAY, VERY GOOD. SAM, I HOPE MY CALENDAR IS FREE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT WILL BE -- THAT WILL BE A WEEK -- COUNCIL, JUST SO YOU KNOW. THAT WILL BE A WEEK WHERE THE ONLY THING THAT YOU HAVE THAT AFTERNOON -- EXCUSE ME THAT THURSDAY IS A CRA MEETING AND A NIGHT MEETING THAT NIGHT. SO IT IS NOT LOOK A WEEK THAT YOU HAVE TWO SPECIAL -- TWO REGULAR MEETINGS IN THE SAME WEEK. OKAY, THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU NEED A SECOND. WHO MADE THE MOTION. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL MAKE A MOTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYES HAVE IT. VERY GOOD. STAFF REPORTS. ANYTHING WE CAN MOVE TO THAT MEETING OR ANOTHER MEETING? [ INAUDIBLE ] >> I TALKED TO CHIEF OF STAFF AND DIDN'T -- AT THE END OF THE MEETING, CREATE AN ORDINANCE IN OUR RULE THAT REQUIRES THAT CITY DEPARTMENTS THAT BUY SERVICES FROM EACH OTHER HAVE TO HAVE AN AGREEMENT APPROVED BY COUNCIL IN ADVANCE. PROBLEM WITH THIS TREE ISSUE ON THE WATER IS NOT THAT ANYBODY DID ANYTHING WRONG, BUT THAT THE RULES AND PRICE SHOULD BE CLEARLY DELINEATED IN ADVANCE AND AGREED BY COUNCIL BEFORE THE TRANSFER. I AM NOT TALKING OF ALL TRANSFERS, BUT WHEN -- WHEN THE DEPARTMENT ARE BUYING SERVICES FROM EACH OTHER OR FUNDING EACH OTHER'S SERVICES, THEN THAT AGREEMENT SHOULD COME IN ADVANCE. SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION OF NEW BUSINESS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IN NEW BUSINESS. WE WILL NEED A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE. -- MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED, AYES HAVE IT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: NUMBER 58? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: 58, YES. I MEAN, ANYBODY WANT TO CONTINUE FOR A LIGHTER DAY? >>LYNN HURTAK: THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS KIND OF IMPORTANT AND WE NEED TO GET THAT GOING. WE NEED TO APPROVE THAT SO IT CAN GET TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO COME BACK TO US. I HATE TO SAY IT, ALL THIS STUFF IS -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HONESTLY CAN -- WILL THEY NEED A MOTION FOR US ON THAT? >>LYNN HURTAK: WHY HE, BUT WE NEED TO BE RE-- YES, BUT WE NEED TO BE REMINDED QUICKLY OF WHAT THOSE THINGS ARE. IT LOOK LIKE WE DON'T HAVE ROOM ON -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THESE AGENDAS ARE PACKED. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S NOT TRUE -- I HAVE A COUPLE OF MOTIONS LATER TO DO SOME STUFF. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: APRIL STARTS TO OPEN >>LUIS VIERA: I WOULD SUGGEST WE DO CONSENT AGENDA, BEFORE WE DO STAFF REPORTS AND THEN PEOPLE CAN PICK. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WAS TRYING TO PICK THE LOW-HANGING FRUIT. I THINK WE ALREADY PICKED IT. LET'S GO TO THE CONSENT AGENDA REAL QUICK. PUBLIC SAFETY, COUNCILMAN VIERA, CAN YOU MOVE 5-9? >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR, MOVE 5-9. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. 10 WAS PULLED FOR DISCUSSION. >>LYNN HURTAK: IT'S NOT DISCUSSION. I JUST HAVE TO SAY IT, THERE ARE VERY FEW THINGS THAT WAKE ME UP AT NIGHT ANYMORE WITH THIS JOB. YOU GET USED TO MAKING HARD DECISIONS. THIS ONE I WAS UP AT 6:15 AND I WENT FOR A RUN. YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND I AM NOT A MORNING PERSON TO KNOW HOW STRESSED I AM ABOUT THIS VOTE. EVERYTHING WE'VE SEEN IN MINNEAPOLIS SPECIFICALLY I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS AND FAMILY THERE. IT HAS BEEN VERY EMOTIONAL TO WATCH. FLOCK CAMERAS HAVE PLAYED A LARGE PART IN THAT IN WHAT'S GOING ON UP THERE. I'M HAVING A VERY HARD TIME APPROVING ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH FLOCK IN OUR CITY. I KNOW WE'VE ALREADY DONE SO WITH LICENSE PLATE READERS, BUT I ALSO HAVE THE ORDINANCES FROM LEGAL THAT CLEARLY SAY THAT RECORDED VIDEO OR PHOTOGRAPHS COLLECTED AS PART OF A SPEED DETECTION IN A SCHOOL SYSTEM MAY ONLY BE DOCUMENTED FOR -- PHOTOGRAPH OBTAINED VIA SPEED DETECTION SYSTEM MUST BE DESTROYED WITHIN 90 DAYS. IT'S IN ACCORDANCE WITH FLORIDA STATE LAW. BUT MY QUESTION TO THE WONDERFUL LEGAL TEAM AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHAT HAPPENS IF STATE LAW CHANGES? I KNOW MS. YOU IN COME IS HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT IF NECESSARY. MS. NEWCOMB, THIS IS SUCH A HARD ISSUE FOR ME. MS. NEWCOMB, COULD YOU SPEAK TO WHAT HAPPENS IF A STATE STATUTE CHANGES? >> MEGAN NEWCOMB, ASSISTANT ATTORNEY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT MOST OF THE COUNCIL WAS AWARE A MEMO FILED ON THE 17th THAT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED FLOCK CAMERAS AND CLEARED UP ANY CONFUSION, FLOCK CAMERAS OR NO LICENSE PLATE CAMERAS WILL BE INTEGRATED WITH THE SCHOOL ZONE SPEED CAMERAS. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I BELIEVE BY STATE LAW OR BY YOUR ORDINANCE WOULD BE PERMITTED. THAT SHOULD BE A NONISSUE. TO YOUR QUESTION SPECIFICALLY, COUNCILWOMAN, I BELIEVE THAT -- I BELIEVE THAT IT'S PROHIBITED BY FLORIDA STATUTE. BUT IF THAT FLORIDA STATUTE WERE TO GO AWAY, THE INITIAL ORDINANCE THAT YOU ALL PASSED IN JANUARY OF 2024 ALLOWING FOR THE SCHOOL ZONE CAMERA PROGRAM MIRRORED THE LANGUAGE IN THAT FLORIDA STATUTE, SO IT'S MY POSITION THAT THIS CITY COUNCIL HAS ADOPTED THAT LANGUAGE, SO EVEN IF THE FLORIDA STATUTE WERE TO GO AWAY, WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO OPERATE UNDER THE ORDINANCE. I THINK IT'S 24--- 14-56 FROM JANUARY OF 2024. SO THAT ENABLING ORDINANCE FOR THE SCHOOL ZONE SAFETY CAMERA PROGRAM PROHIBITS THE SAME THING FLORIDA STATUTES. AS LONG AS YOU DON'T REPEAL THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE LAW THAT WE WOULD BE OPERATING UNDER. AND TO BE CLEAR, THESE ARE FOR SCHOOL ZONE SAFETY PURPOSES FOR DOCUMENTING SPEEDING IN SCHOOL ZONES. AND THAT IS THE PRIMARY PURPOSE. AND WE REALLY WOULD LIKE COUNCIL TO APPROVE THIS PROGRAM SO WE CAN IMPROVE THE SAFETY IN SCHOOL ZONES. >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT. THAT IS WHY EVEN WITH THE STRESS I HAVE WITH THIS, THE SCHOOL SAFETY IS SO IMPORTANT. BUT SO IS THE TRUST THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS WITH THE PUBLIC WHICH IS WHY I WANTED YOU TO TALK ABOUT THIS TODAY, BECAUSE TRUST MATTERS. AND WE TRUST THAT WHAT IS IN THIS ORDINANCE IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN. WE HAVE TO BELIEVE -- WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT TRUST. I DO HAVE THAT TRUST WITH YOU AND YOUR TEAM AND WITH CHIEF BERCAW. I WILL SUPPORT THIS, BUT I JUST WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT I REALLY THOUGHT A LOT ABOUT THIS. I DON'T LIKE FLOCK. I'M WORRIED ABOUT WHAT IS COMING IN OUR COUNTRY, BUT THE SAFEGUARDS AROUND IT AND THE IMPORTANCE OF THE SCHOOL ZONES AT THIS POINT OUTWEIGH IT FOR ME. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO VIERA CARLSON. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WAS UP AT 3:16 A.M. LOOKING AT IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I DIDN'T GO TO BED LAST NIGHT! [ LAUGHTER ] >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BUT I WENT TO BED AT 7 BECAUSE I FELT TERRIBLE. MY QUESTION WAS, ON TAMPA BAY BOULEVARD AND MacDILL, THERE'S TAMPA BAY BOULEVARD ELEMENTARY AND THERE IS A SIGN THAT HAS -- YOU KNOW, IT IS A SCHOOL ZONE BUT A SIGN THAT SAYS DURING THESE HOURS. WILL THESE CAMERAS OPERATE DURING THOSE SAID HOURS? IT'S LIKE 7:30 A.M. TO 2:10 P.M., SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THEN TWO LINES. I TOOK A PICTURE. BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN E-MAILS AND OTHER CORRESPONDENCE THAT SAID THESE ARE GOING TO BE OPERATING 24/7. ARE THEY DEACTIVATED OR INACTIVE IN THE OUTSIDE HOURS THAT ARE POSTED? >> DO I HAVE OUR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT HERE. CORRECT ME IF I SAY IT WRONG. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE CAMERAS WILL ONLY BE OPERATING DURING THE PERIOD THAT IS DISPLAYED BY A SIGN IN THE SCHOOL ZONE AREA. PART OF THE REASON THAT WE WANT TO GO WITH THIS COMPANY IS BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SAME COMPANY IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY. WE WANT IT TO BE AS CONSISTENT AS IT CAN BE IN TERMS OF GOING FROM SCHOOL ZONE TO SCHOOL ZONE BECAUSE IT IS CONFUSING FOR THE PUBLIC IN TERMS OF THE TIME. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THEY WILL BE OPERATING NOT 24 HOURS A DAY BUT DURING A SPECIFIC TIME PERIOD AND THAT TIME PERIOD WILL BE MARKED BY SIGNAGE IN THE SCHOOL ZONE. IS THAT ACCURATE? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MY WIFE HAD A QUESTION AND IT WAS -- SHE'S NOT SWORN IN -- WHATEVER THE FLASH, WHEN THE LIGHT IS FLASHING, YOU ARE AT THE SPEED LIMIT FOR THAT TIME PERIOD. WILL THERE BE A FLASHING LIGHT AS WELL? BECAUSE THAT IS A LONG TIME FOR THE LIGHT TO FLASH. IT'S A SIX-HOUR WINDOW. >> THE ENTIRE TIME PERIOD WILL THE LIGHT BE FLASHING? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PEOPLE WILL SAY THE LIGHT WASN'T FLASHING. THE SCHOOL DAY IS BEGINNING. >> ONCE THIS PROGRAM, IF YOU PASS THIS CONTRACT TODAY, THAT IS NOW GOING TO ALLOW US TO START INSTALLING THE CAMERAS BEFORE THE PROGRAM GOES LIVE, BUILT IN MINIMUM 30-DAY EDUCATION PERIOD, SO WE ALREADY KIND OF DID THAT WHERE WE HAVE A WEBSITE AND ANSWER THE FAQ QUESTIONS VERY SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THERE ARE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. I DIDN'T REVIEW THAT FOR TODAY, SO I DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE YOU THE WRONG ANSWER. WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THOSE QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED IN A PUBLIC WAY FOR 30 DAYS AND A 30 DAY PERIOD WHERE PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO GET A CITATION SO EVERYONE CAN BECOME FAMILIAR WITH THE WAY IT WORKS. >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK WHAT YOUR WIFE IS ASKING, THE SIGN DOESN'T SAY 8 TO 2. THE SIGN SAYS 7:15 TO 8:30 AND THEN 2:30 TO 3:30 FOR THE AFTERNOON. SO IT WOULD ONLY BE DURING THOSE TIMES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO. I'LL GET THE PICTURE. >> SEND IT TO US. WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO CAN GO. PART OF THIS IS, IF THE CONTRACT IS APPROVED, THEN THE COMPANY WORKS WITH MOBILITY AND WITH TPD AND THEY GO OUT AND DO MEASUREMENTS AND MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS APPROPRIATE BEFORE WE ACTUALLY TURN IT ON. THAT'S WHY THERE HAS BEEN SOME PERIOD OF DELAY BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN SOME CONFUSION WITH WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE, BUT THEN WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE MEET THE REQUIREMENT BEFORE WE SAY WE'RE READY TO GO. AND THEN A 30 DAY PERIOD WHERE THE PUBLIC GETS EDUCATED ABOUT WHAT ALL OF THESE RULES ARE BEFORE ANYONE WOULD GET ISSUED A TICKET. BUT IT IS PRETTY COMPLICATED, YES. >>LUIS VIERA: I'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF ON THIS, OBVIOUSLY. THIS IS SOMETHING FOR SCHOOLS AND FOR SAFETY OF KIDS. IT'S GOOD, BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION BECAUSE THE PUBLIC ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT I.C.E., THE THINGS, AS COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, I APPRECIATE HER SENTIMENTS ON WHAT'S HAPPENING IN MINNEAPOLIS RIGHT NOW. AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT TO THE EXTENT WE CAN PROTECT OUR PEOPLE FROM THINGS LIKE THAT HAPPENING, THAT WE DO. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING INVOLVED WITH THIS AT ALL, RIGHT? >> PART OF THE STATUTE, WHAT IT PROHIBITS IS THAT THE SCHOOL ZONE CAMERAS MAY NOT BE USED FOR REMOTE SURVEILLANCE, AND THAT THEY MAY NOT BE ESSENTIALLY INTEGRATED. THAT'S HOW WE INTERPRET THAT. CAN'T BE INTEGRATED WITH ANY OTHER TYPE OF CAMERA FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSE. SO THAT IS HOW WE INTERPRET THE STATUTE. THAT'S WHY YOUR LANGUAGE AND THE ORDINANCE AND THE STATUTE IS APPROPRIATE. >>LUIS VIERA: WHAT I WAS SAYING WAS THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR PEOPLE TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, AND YOU HAVE GREAT ANSWERS THAT I THINK PUT MY MIND AND MY HEART AT REST, WHICH IS THIS IS SOMETHING SOLELY GO FOR PROTECTION OF CHILDREN AND PUBLIC SAFETY AND ISSUES LIKE THAT. AGAIN, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENING IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT HURT ME A LOT. THE ONE THAT HURTS ME A LOT, THE DEEPEST PARK, HISPANIC AND SON OF CUBAN REFUGEES, WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH IMMIGRATION, THREE-QUARTERS OF A MILLION PEOPLE PROTECTED BY TPS A YEAR AGO AND NOW ARE CLASSIFIED AS ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. WE JOKE IN FLORIDA ABOUT THEM BEING CHASED BY ALLIGATORS AND ALLIGATOR ALCATRAZ, AND THAT REALLY HURTS ME. THAT'S WHY I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY FROM TPD TALKING ABOUT THIS ISSUE. AGAIN, THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HEY, BREAKING NEWS, TEAM USA WOMEN'S HOCKEY JUST BEAT CANADA TO WIN GOLD. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: BEST NEWS I HEARD ALL OF CITY COUNCIL DAY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN WE EXPLAIN THESE HOURS AND HOW IT WORKS? >> YES, I'LL DEFER TO MY EXPERT, RETIREMENT SERGEANT RISER. >> JIM RISER, TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CTTV, CAN YOU PUT THE WOLF ON THE PUBLIC MONITORS PLEASE? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THIS IS ON TAMPA BAY BOULEVARD AS YOU APPROACH MacDILL AND IT GOES INTO A SCHOOL ZONE. SEE HOW THE HOURS ARE 6:40 A.M. TO 2:25 P.M. IT'S MOST OF THE SCHOOL DAY. >> THAT'S CORRECT. JIM RISER, TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT. I WILL BE THE PROGRAM COORDINATOR. THE WAY THE SIGNS WERE LAID OUT BEFORE THE SCHOOL ZONE PROGRAM, YOU SAW DIFFERENT TIMES IN THE MORNING, MAY SEE 7:30 TO 8:15, THAT'S BEFORE THE CAMERAS CAME INTO LAW. AS THESE CAMERAS GET DEPLOYED, ALL THE START TIMES ARE GOING TO BE VERIFIED. THE CURRENT LAW THE WAY IT SITS, 30 MINUTES BEFORE A BREAKFAST PROGRAM AND 30 MINUTES AFTER SCHOOL, THE CAMERAS CAN RUN. THE DIFFERENCE IS, THERE'S GOING TO BE TWO SPEED PROFILES OUTLINED IN THE CAMERAS. WHEN THE FLASHERS ARE ACTIVE, THAT MEANS THE SLOW SPEED ZONE IS IN EFFECT. AND AT THAT TIME, IT IS THE LOWER SPEED LIMIT. LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A 30 MILES PER HOUR ROADWAY AND THE SLOW SPEED IS IN EFFECT WITH THE FLASHERS AT 15, THE CITATIONS AND NOTICE OF VIOLATIONS WILL BE ISSUED FOR ANYTHING 11 AND OVER THE SPEED LIMIT. WE ARE GIVING PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY THERE. THAT'S THE WAY THE STATE LAW IS WRITTEN. NOT OUR CHOICE. THAT'S BY STATE STATUTE. WHEN THE FLASHERS GO OFF IN THE MORNING, SAY THEY GO OFF AT 8:15 AND DON'T COME ON AGAIN UNTIL 2:45 AT THE END OF THE SCHOOL DAY, IT IS FOR THE REGULAR SPEED LIMIT. GO BACK TO 30 MILES AN HOUR. AT THAT TIME, 41 OR HIGHER, IT WILL ISSUE A VIOLATION. WHEN THE LIGHTS COME ON IN THE AFTERNOON, IT GOES BACK DOWN TO THE LOWER SPEED LIMIT. WHAT'S KEY ON THIS THIS HAS BEEN A BIG CONTROVERSY ACROSS THE STATE AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO AVOID THAT IS BY PUBLIC MESSAGING. I'M SURE IF THIS CONTRACT IS APPROVED TODAY, WE'LL WORK WITH OUR VENDOR AND MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC MESSAGING IS PUT OUT. PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF THE LAW SO WE HAVE THE 30-DAY WARNING PERIOD THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO EVALUATE THE VIOLATIONS, PUBLIC EDUCATION BEFORE WE START ACTUALLY ISSUING VIOLATIONS THAT ARE GOING TO COST PEOPLE MONEY. NOTICE OF VIOLATION, UNIFORM TRAFFIC TICKET. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: 8:00 AT NIGHT, WILL SOMEONE GET A TICKET? >> NO. NOT FROM THE CAMERA. AT THE END OF THE SCHOOL DAY AND ON THE WEEKENDS AND ON SCHOOL HOLIDAYS OR LIKE A TEACHER WORK DAY WHERE THERE ARE NO STUDENTS, STUDENTS HAVE TO BE PRESENT ON CAMPUS FOR THOSE SPEED CAMERAS TO WORK. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU ARE GETTING REAL-TIME INFORMATION FROM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOLS AND THEY ARE ABLE TO BE REMOTELY PROGRAMMED. >> WE GET THE ACTUAL FLASHING TIMES FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD. WE VERIFY THOSE ARE IN EFFECT, AND IT'S GOING TO BE ACTUALLY VISITING THE SCHOOL BECAUSE WHAT WE FOUND OUT IS SOME OF THESE SCHOOLS HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF ADJUSTMENT IN WHEN THEY CAN ACTUALLY START THEIR BELL AND END IT AT THE END OF THE DAY. BUT WE'RE GOING TO VISIT THESE SCHOOLS AND MAKE SURE THE TIMES ARE CORRECT AND THEN THE VENDOR WILL ASSIST IN PROGRAMMING CAMERAS TO GO TO THOSE ENFORCEMENT TIMES THAT WE FIND. AND THEY ARE GOING TO MATCH THE YELLOW LIGHTS. NOW, ONCE -- LET'S SAY A YELLOW LIGHT COMES ON AT 7:30 IN THE MORNING AND SOMEBODY IMMEDIATELY DRIVES ON AND THAT FLASHER ACTIVATES, THERE WILL BE A TWO-MINUTE LAG TIME FOR TRAFFIC TO CLEAR THAT BEFORE IT ACTUALLY STARTS CAPTURING VIOLATIONS. WE'RE TRYING TO BE AS FAIR AS WE CAN TO THE PUBLIC AND TRANSPARENT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE CAPTURING THE VIOLATIONS CORRECTLY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT ABOUT THE FLUIDITY OF LIKE A HURRICANE DAY? IS. >> THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL HAVE TO GET WITH THE VENDOR. IF THEY SAY THERE WILL BE NO SCHOOL ON THIS THURSDAY, FRIDAY, IF VIOLATIONS DO HAPPEN TO GET CAPTURED AND SENT TO US, THAT WILL BE MY TEAM'S RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THEY DO NOT GET APPROVED AND THEY ARE DISMISSED. >>BILL CARLSON: JUST A COUPLE OF PREFERENCE COMMENTS AND THEN QUESTIONS. FIRST OF ALL, I HAVE THREE KIDS AND TWO OF THEM ARE STILL IN SCHOOL. ONE OF THEM HAD TO TAKE THE BUS HOME TODAY AND JUST NOW TEXTED ME AND SAID HE MADE IT SAFELY. EVERY DAY I'M LIKE EVERY PARENT, I'M WORRIED ABOUT MY KIDS CROSSING THE ROAD BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ENOUGH SIDEWALKS AND CROSSWALKS, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE PUSHING FOR IT. THE OTHER THING IS, ONLINE, THIS HAS BEEN PRESENTED KIND OF AS A DEMOCRATIC ISSUE AND DEMOCRATS BEING AGAINST US, BUT A FAIR NUMBER OF REPUBLICANS CONTACT ME THAT THEY ARE AGAINST IT. LIKE MAYBE BIPARTISAN SUPPORT AND BIPARTISAN OPPOSITION. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS SENT TO ME LAST NIGHT, SO I WASN'T ABLE TO ASK YOU, BUT AT THE END OF THIS, FOR LEGAL, AT THE END OF THE LAW, IT SAYS RECORDED VIDEO OR PHOTOGRAPHS COLLECTED AS PART OF A SPEED DETECTION SYSTEM IN A SCHOOL ZONE MAY ONLY BE USED TO DOCUMENT VIOLATIONS OF 316.1895 AND 316.183 AND FOR PURPOSES OF DETERMINING CRIMINAL OR CIVIL LIABILITY FOR INCIDENTS CAPTURED BY THE SPEED DETECTION SYSTEM INCIDENTAL TO THE PERMISSIBLE OF THE SPEED DETECTION SYSTEM. ASSUMING THAT THAT'S STILL VALID, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE ARE A LOT OF CAVEATS IN THERE. INCIDENTAL. CRIMINAL AND CIVIL. IF SOMEBODY GETS IN AN ACCIDENT, TWO PARTIES ARE IN AN ACCIDENT, COULD BE USED FOR CIVIL LIABILITY. AND ANYTHING INCIDENTAL TO THIS, OF COURSE, WE WANT TO PROTECT EVERYONE, BUT WHAT POTENTIAL SIDE EFFECTS COULD BE JUST IN THE LAST SENTENCE OF THE LAW. >> IT IS TO BE DETERMINED BECAUSE THIS LAW WAS PASSED IN 2023. I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY CASES. IN THE CITY OF TAMPA WE DON'T HAVE THE CAMERAS SO THIS ISSUE HASN'T COME UP. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT THAT THE BEGINNING OF THAT STATUTE SAYS A SPEED DETECTION SYSTEM IN A SCHOOL ZONE MAY NOT BE USED FOR REMOTE SURVEILLANCE. WHAT THAT MEANS IS THERE IS NOT A PERSON, A POLICE OFFICER WATCHING A LIVE FEED. THERE'S NOT A LIVE FEED OF CARS GOING THROUGH THE SCHOOL ZONE. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT MEANS. THAT'S WHY WHEN THERE WAS THE QUESTION ABOUT THIS POTENTIALLY BEING INTEGRATED WITH LICENSE PLATE CAMERAS, IT'S OUR LEGAL OPINION THAT THAT CANNOT BE DONE IN FLORIDA BASED UPON THE LANGUAGE OF THE STATUTE. THE PORTION THAT YOU REFERRED TO SEEMS LIKE IT'S AN EXCEPTION TO THE GENERAL RULE THAT THIS CAN ONLY BE USED FOR THIS PURPOSE. THE WAY I UNDERSTAND, IT HASN'T HAPPENED OR HASN'T WORKED YET, HAVE TO BE REQUESTED AND THEN DETERMINED IF BECAUSE WHEN YOU GO DOWN TO THE SECOND PART, THE RECORDS ARE DESTROYED WITHIN 90 DAYS OF THE ACTUAL EVENT. IF THERE'S NOT AN EVENT WHICH WOULD BE DEFINED AS A SPEEDING EVENT, MAY NOT BE A RECORD. IF THERE WAS A SPEEDING EVENT CAPTURED AND LET'S SAY WHEN THE SPEEDING EVENT WAS CAPTURED IMMEDIATELY BEFORE, IMMEDIATELY AFTER THERE WAS A CAR ACCIDENT AND SOMEONE IS SUING SOMEONE IN CIVIL COURT, IF THEY WANT TO TRY AND GET THAT RECORD, I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT IS WRITTEN FOR. IT'S POSSIBLE, BUT IT WOULD ALSO DEPEND ON THE TIME FRAME AND THEN GOING ON TOP OF THAT, THERE'S OTHER FLORIDA STATUTE, SECTION 119, OUR PUBLIC RECORDS LAW THAT ALSO GOES ON TOP OF THAT THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO EXAMINE TO SEE WHO ACTUALLY COULD HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE RECORDS. THAT IS THE BEST ANSWER I CAN GIVE AT THIS TIME. >>BILL CARLSON: THE LAST SENTENCE JUST GIVES ME A LOT OF CONCERN, ESPECIALLY THAT THE LEGISLATURE CAN CHANGE IT AT ANY TIME. ONE OTHER QUESTION, TALK ABOUT SAFETY, I'M DRIVING THROUGH SCHOOL ZONES ALL THE TIME, PROBABLY LIKE EVERYBODY, BUT I'M DROPPING AT LEAST ONE OF MY KIDS OFF EVERY DAY AND DRIVING THROUGH THE SCHOOL ZONES. WHAT I NOTICE IS THE SIGNS ARE JUST NOT SUFFICIENT. THE SIGNS AREN'T BIG ENOUGH. THEY ARE NOT FLASHING LIGHTS. NOT ILLUMINATED. THE FIRST STEP IN A LOT OF AREAS IS MOBILITY WILL PUT OUT THE RADAR GUN WITH A FLASHING SIGN TO SAY HOW FAST YOU ARE GOING. A LOT OF SCHOOL ZONES THERE'S NONE OF THAT. PEOPLE DON'T SEE THE SIGNS. SOMETIMES WHEN I SLOW DOWN PEOPLE ARE HONKING THE HORN BECAUSE THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND IT IS THERE. ARE THERE ANY STUDIES NOT DONE BY VENDORS THAT SHOW PUTTING MORE ROBUST SIGNS AND FLASHING LIGHTS ARE ANY LESS EFFECTIVE THAN WRITING PEOPLE TICKETS? EVEN THOUGH IT WILL GENERATE 15 MILLION OR 17 MILLION FOR THE CITY, THAT'S COMING OUT OF THE POCKETS OF OUR RESIDENTS WHO ALREADY FEEL OVERTAXED. WOULDN'T IT BE BETTER JUST TO TRY TO PREVENT SAFETY PROBLEMS BY PUTTING FLASHING LIGHTS AND BIGGER SIGNS UP? >> WELL, I MEAN, THIS SCHOOL ZONE SAFETY CAMERA LAW WAS PASSED BY THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE AND THEN AN ORDINANCE WAS PASSED BY CITY COUNCIL ALLOWING US TO USE. THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL SAFETY TOOL IN ADDITION TO REGULAR LAW ENFORCEMENT, IN ADDITION TO SIGNAGE. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, COUNCILMAN, I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT CITY BECAUSE THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF TODAY. WHAT I CAN TELL YOU AS PART OF THIS PROCESS AND PART OF WHY IT TAKES SO LONG, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE VENDOR, WITH MOBILITY, WITH OUR TPD, THEY GO OUT AND ASSESS THE SIGNAGE. IF THE SIGNS ARE INAPPROPRIATE OR NOT IN THE RIGHT AREAS OR JUST DON'T WORK, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE REPLACED AND DONE IN ORDER TO MAKE THE PROGRAM WORK EFFECTIVELY. AND THEN THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE CHANGED BY COUNCIL AND CAN BE EXPANDED IF YOU LOOK AT THE SUCCESS OF IT AND THEN LOOK AT WHAT SCHOOLS -- YOU APPROVED I THINK 12 OR 13 SCHOOLS INITIALLY. YOU COULD CHANGE YOUR MIND AND ADD SOME SCHOOLS TO THAT, DEPENDING ON HOW THIS TURNS OUT. A LOT OF THIS IS TO BE DETERMINED. ADDITIONAL SAFETY STUDIES ARE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE. I JUST HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THEM FOR PURPOSES OF TODAY. >>BILL CARLSON: MAYBE WE OUGHT TO GET MOBILITY TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE CAN MAKE THE SIGNS BIGGER AND ADDING FLASHING LIGHTS AROUND THE SCHOOL. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: FIRST OF ALL, THE SIGN IS NICE, BUT WHEN YOU ONLY SAY MONDAY TO 1:30 BUT THE TOP ONE DOESN'T SAY ANY DAYS, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO READ THAT AND SAY WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? NOT EVERYBODY CAN THINK LIKE YOU AND I CAN. I'M NOT THE SMARTEST GUY IN THE WORLD. TUESDAY WEDNESDAY THURSDAY FRIDAY IN SMALL LETTERS OR SOMETHING SO YOU COVER YOURSELF IN CASE SOMEBODY SAID, WELL, YOU ONLY SAID MONDAY. I'M JUST THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX AND WHAT SOMEBODY MAY SAY AND I'M NOT A LAWYER. THE NEXT QUESTION IS THIS, CAN A PRIVATE CITIZEN HAVE THEIR OWN CAMERA IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE THAT ROTATES AND CATCH EVERYBODY LICENSE PLATE? >> WELL, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THEY AREN'T SUBJECT TO THE SAME -- PRIVATE CITIZENS AREN'T SUBJECT TO THE SAME CONSTITUTIONAL REGULATIONS AS THE GOVERNMENT IS. THE GENERAL RULE IS, IF YOU ARE IN PUBLIC, THEN YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO PRIVACY. IF YOU ARE DRIVING YOUR CAR IN PUBLIC, GENERALLY ANYONE, INCLUDING THE GOVERNMENT, INCLUDING ANYONE BEHIND YOU, PEOPLE HAVE CAMERAS IN THEIR VEHICLES AND ARE RECORDING THEMSELVES DRIVING. LEGALLY, GENERALLY IN A PUBLIC AREA, THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. OF COURSE, THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS. IN A PUBLIC AREA, THERE'S GENERALLY NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HAVE ONE ON TOP OF YOUR CAR, FRONT PORCH THAT CATCHES EVERYTHING THAT COMES BY. THANK YOU, GOVERNMENT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG. >>NAYA YOUNG: TWO QUESTIONS. IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE CAN GET LIKE AN ANNUAL REPORT OF THE CAMERAS, HOW THEY ARE WORKING, HOW IT IS REDUCING THE SPEED, HOW MANY WARNINGS OR CITATIONS, WHAT IS THE TOTAL FINE, REVENUE COMING FROM THE CAMERAS? >> YES, MA'AM. I THINK THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE STATUTE. YES, YOU WILL GET A WRITTEN REPORT AND THEN I THINK WE ARE REQUIRED TO COME AND GIVE A PRESENTATION TO CITY COUNCIL. SO YES, MA'AM. >>NAYA YOUNG: DO WE KNOW -- I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE I MISSED THIS -- WHERE -- THE MONEY GENERATED FROM THE CITATIONS, WHAT IT WILL BE USED FOR? DISTRICT SPECIFIC? >> THERE IS A BREAKDOWN BY STATUTE IN TERMS OF THE PERCENTAGE FROM THE CITY. I BELIEVE AFTER WE PAY THE VENDOR A PERCENTAGE, THEN THERE ARE -- $40 GOES TO THE STATE, GOES TO THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE. SOME TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR USE FOR SCHOOL SECURITY INITIATIVES. TRANSPORTATION. STATE FUND. AND OUR FEE GOES SOME TO THE CITY, SOME TO THE VENDOR AND PART OF OUR FEE IS TO BE USED FOR SAFETY INITIATIVES. PART OF THE OTHER FEE STRAIGHT TO THE GENERAL FUND. ALSO A PORTION DESIGNATED FOR CROSSING GUARDS. >>NAYA YOUNG: THIS IS ALL IN WRITING? >> YES, MA'AM IN THE STATUTE AND IN OUR MATERIALS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. WHEN MR. ROGERO SHOWED US THE EXTRA MONEY LEFT OVER FROM FY '25, REMEMBER 4.5 MILLION THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FROM THE SCHOOL CAMERAS, BUT BECAUSE THE FORMER COMPANY WASN'T ABLE TO GET STARTED. SO 4.5 MILLION IS I THINK WHAT WE WERE PROJECTED TO GET AT LEAST, AND THAT WOULD BE GENERAL FUND MONEY. SO, YEAH, WE'LL HAVE A BITE AT THE APPLE I SUPPOSE. ALL I WANTED TO SAY IS THAT SPEEDING, I AGREE, IT'S HARD TO GET PEOPLE TO DOT SPEED LIMIT, BUT IT'S MAINLY SOCIETAL. I WILL ISSUE THE SAME CHALLENGE THAT I ISSUE TO PEOPLE ALL THE TIME. I HAVE STARTED GOING THE SPEED LIMIT. IT IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE SCARIEST THINGS I'VE EVER DONE, BUT IT'S THE LAW. I'VE ALMOST GOTTEN REAR-ENDED. NOW THAT I DO A LOT OF RIDE-ALONGS WITH TPD, I STOP AT EVERY STOP BAR WITH A HARD STOP BECAUSE I'M TOLD THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO DO. I'VE ALREADY GOTTEN REAR-ENDED SO MANY TIMES BECAUSE I FOLLOW THE LAW. YOU REALLY HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT. IT IS A SOCIETAL THING. ALL IT TAKES IS MORE OF US TO START DOING THAT. I'M JUST GOING TO ISSUE A PLEA. FOLLOW THE RULES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'VE VOTED AGAINST EVERY ONE OF THESE. I DON'T LIKE GOVERNMENT HAVING THE SAME TECHNOLOGY. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF I REMEMBER, THIS HAS COME BEFORE COUNCIL BEFORE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WILL CONCEDE -- THIS IS WHERE PUBLIC COMMENT WORKS. WE'VE BEEN INUNDATED WITH PUBLIC COMMENT IN SUPPORT OF THE BE PROJECT. CEMENTS LIKE OVERWHELMING SUPPORT FOR THE PROCESS, SO I WILL BE VOTING IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. >>LUIS VIERA: MOVE THE RESOLUTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA, SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. OPPOSED? >> NAY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CARLSON VOTED NAY. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY. >>NAYA YOUNG: I MOVE ITEMS 11-23. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY. INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE, ITEMS 24 THROUGH 26. COUNCILMAN GUIDO MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I MOVE ITEMS 24 THROUGH 26. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU ARE ABOUT TO TAKE UP THE FINANCE COMMITTEE? WHAT I'M GOING TO ASK BECAUSE THAT DIDN'T APPEAR ON THE AGENDA, IS I'M GOING TO ASK WHEN COUNCILMAN MIRANDA DOES MOVE THESE AND THEN THE ADD-ON, I'LL ASK HIM TO READ THE TITLE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I MOVE 27, 29 AND 30. 28 WAS PULLED. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CORRECT. WE'LL END UP HAVING A 31, THE TITLE YOU HAVE THERE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I MOVE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING COMPROMISE SETTLEMENT BY THE CITY OF TAMPA IN THE AMOUNT OF $350,000 IN FEDERAL LAWSUIT LOPEZ VERSUS CITY OF TAMPA, CASE 8.23-CV-02548-KKG-LSG PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. MOTION MOVING 27, 29, 30 AND ADD-ON 31. >>MARTIN SHELBY: DON'T SAY 31. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AND THE ADD ON. >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO VOTE ON THAT ONE SEPARATELY, PLEASE. >>LYNN HURTAK: 27, 29 -- >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: RESCIND THE VOTE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVEN'T CALLED FOR THE VOTE YET. WOULD YOU PLEASE MOVE ITEMS 27, 29 AND 30? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I MOVE 27, 29 AND 30. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY. COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WOULD YOU PLEASE MOVE THE SETTLEMENT OFFER. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET ME READ IT AGAIN IN CASE THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION. RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING A COMPROMISE SETTLEMENT BY THE CITY OF TAMPA IN THE AMOUNT OF $350,000 OF THE FEDERAL LAWSUIT LOPEZ VERSUS CITY OF TAMPA CASE NUMBER 8.23-CV-0254 H-KKG-LSG AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? >>BILL CARLSON: NAY. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY COMMITTEE -- >>LYNN HURTAK: WE HAVE 28. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ITEM 28. WHO PULLED THAT? >>BILL CARLSON: MY COMMENT ON THAT ONE IS I THINK -- THIS IS TALKING ABOUT GETTING A PEER REVIEW OF OUR AUDITING PROCESS. THERE IS A FUNDAMENTALLY FLAW IN OUR AUDITING PROCESS, ALTHOUGH SHE IS A GREAT PERSON, THE AUDITOR REPORTS TO THE MAYOR. I THINK WE NEED TO INCLUDE IN THE PROCESS WHETHER IT IS STANDARD IN A TWO-BRANCH GOVERNMENT THAT THE AUDITOR WOULD ONLY REPORT TO ONE BRANCH. THAT'S MY COMMENT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I GUESS I'M NOT FLUID ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND. >>BILL CARLSON: NO, IF -- I DON'T REMEMBER IF YOU REMEMBER FROM THE LAST ADMINISTRATION THAT THEY WOULD SIT ON AUDITS FOR MONTHS, CALLING THEM DRAFTS AND NOT SHOW CITY COUNCIL. THIS ADMINISTRATION IS NOT DOING THAT, BUT THERE COULD BE THE -- IMPLIED BIAS IF ONLY ONE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT IS REVIEWING IT. I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE A MOTION. I WANT TO MAKE THAT POINT. I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED SOMEHOW. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MAYBE INVOLVING A FUTURE DATE, LOOK INTO THAT MORE. COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WOULD YOU MOVE 28? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I MOVE 28. STATES MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS, THE CITY WILL PARTICIPATE IN ASSOCIATION OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AUDITORS. ALGA PEER REVIEW PROGRAM. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO DO. SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO DO BY WHAT I READ HERE. RESOLUTION AUTHORIZES 6,500 IN GENERAL FUNDS TO -- PEER REVIEWED EXPENSES, LAGA. UP FRONT, THE CITY INTERNAL AUDIT REQUIRES UNDER GOVERNMENT AUDITING STANDARDS TO UNDERGO EXTREME PEER REVIEW EVERY THREE YEARS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION TO MOVE 28 FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY COMMITTEE, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WOULD YOU MOVE 31 THROUGH 33? >>BILL CARLSON: I NEED TO ABSTAIN ON 31. THE FIRM THAT I WORK WITH HAS A CLIENT THAT MAY BE RELATED TO THIS. SO I'LL ABSTAIN. I MOVE 32 AND 33. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION MOVING 32 AND 33 FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG WOULD YOU MOVE ITEM 31? >>NAYA YOUNG: I MOVE ITEM 31. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE. OPPOSED? >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CARLSON ABSTAINING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ITEM 34, WHO PULLED THAT? >>BILL CARLSON: I'M GOING TO VOTE NO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SO YOU WANTED A SEPARATE VOTE. >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, WOULD YOU MOVE ITEM 34? JUST SAY MOVE ITEM 34. >>NAYA YOUNG: MOVE ITEM 34. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG. A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? >>BILL CARLSON: NAY. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I JUST SAY REAL FAST? CONTRARY TO WHAT SOME OF THE FOLKS OF THE EDC HAVE BEEN SAYING, I'M NOT AGAINST ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I'M IN FAVOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I DON'T THINK THEY ARE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, MOVE ITEMS 35 -- >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM MOVING ITEMS 35 THROUGH 39. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. WE ARE NOW AT THE 10 A.M. PUBLIC HEARINGS. VERY GOOD. ITEM NUMBER 40. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT. ITEM 40 IS SECOND READING FOR FILE HL 25-18468 FOR HPC-25-29. REGARDING AN ORDINANCE DESIGNATING NIETO FUENTE BUCKEYE LOCATED AT 2708 NORTH 18th STREET AS A LOCAL HISTORIC LANDMARK. I HOPE THAT STAFF IS AVAILABLE ONLINE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. BUT THEY GAVE THE PRESENTATION DURING THE FIRST READING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO QUESTIONS. VERY GOOD. IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK TO THE ITEM? HEARING NONE, MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. ALL IN FAVOR AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT IS A VERY SPECIAL PROJECT. AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, DESIGNATING THE NIETO-FUENTE BUCKEYE LOCATED AT 2708 NORTH 18th STREET, TAMPA, FLORIDA, AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 3 HEREOF AS A LOCAL HISTORIC LANDMARK, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN FSKT DATE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA. PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SPEAKING OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, IF YOU WATCH THE CITY OF TAMPA, ONE OF THE REELS THEY PUT UP, DENNIS FERNANDEZ IS A SHOWCASE, WHO IS AWESOME AND HE TALKS TAMPA HISTORY. IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT, CHECK IT OUT. >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: REMEMBER, WE'RE ON PUBLIC HEARINGS RIGHT NOW TOO. ITEM 41. DANNY, YOU DIDN'T WANT TO SIT WITH US IN PERSON? WE CAN HEAR YOU. DANNY, WERE YOU SWORN IN? THIS IS NON-QUASI, NEVER MIND. WE DON'T NEED YOU TO SWEAR IN. GO AHEAD. >>DANNY COLLINS: DANNY COLLINS WITH YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF. THIS IS SECOND READING FOR FILE TA/CPA 25-06. AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UPDATING THE RECREATION OPEN SPACE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, SOLID WASTE, INTERGOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION AND THE DEFINITION SECTIONS TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. COUNCIL APPROVED THIS AMENDMENT AT YOUR HEARING ON JANUARY 29 AND IT IS BACK BEFORE YOU FOR SECOND READING. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE, ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK TO THE ITEM? MOTION TO CLOSE IN MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WOULD YOU READ ITEM 41. >>BILL CARLSON: FILE TA/CPA 25-06, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UPDATING THE RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, SOLID WASTE INTERGOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION AND DEFINITIONS SECTIONS, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH HURTAK BEING ABSENT AT VOTE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. FILE 42. >>DANNY COLLINS: DANNY COLLINS AGAIN WITH YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF. SECOND READING FOR FILE TA/CPA 25-10. AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE LAND USE MAP ELEMENT FOR THE PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 2602, 2625, AND 2801 EAST 4th AVENUE, 2701 AND 2710 EAST 5th AVENUE, 2702 EAST 2nd AVENUE AND FOLIO NUMBERS 189483-0005, 189516-0010 AND FOLIO 189508-0100 FROM HEAVY INDUSTRIAL TO URBAN MIXED USE 60. COUNCIL APPROVED THIS AMENDMENT AT YOUR HEARING ON JANUARY 29 AND IT IS BACK BEFORE YOU TODAY FOR SECOND READING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE, ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM? WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. COUNCILMAN VIERA, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ ITEM 42? >>LUIS VIERA: AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT, FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2602, 2625, 2801 EAST 4th AVENUE, 2701 AND 2710 EAST 5th AVENUE, 2702 EAST 2nd AVENUE, FOAL KNOW NUMBERS 189483-0005 189516-0010 AND 189508-0100 FROM HEAVY INDUSTRIAL TO URBAN MIXED USE 60, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT IS READING AND ADOPTION. MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR -- SORRY, PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE. . >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK VOTING NO. >>DANNY COLLINS: DANNY COLLINS WITH YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF. THIS IS FILE TA/CPA 25-11. ORDINANCE AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. MAP AMENDMENT FOR THE PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 2703, 2715, AND 2801 EAST ADAMO DRIVE, 1101 NORTH 26th STREET AND 508, 1100, 1101, 1102 AND 1120 NORTH 28th STREET FROM HEAVY INDUSTRIAL TO URBAN MIXED USE 60 FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION. COUNCIL APPROVED THIS AMENDMENT AT YOUR HEARING ON JANUARY 29. IT'S BACK BEFORE YOU TODAY FOR SECOND READING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. HEARING NONE, ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM. SEEING NONE, MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. >> SOMEBODY HAS TO READ IT -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OH S -- [ LAUGHTER ] OH SHOOT. I SWEAR LIKE A SAILOR WHEN I'M NOT AT WORK. I USE GREAT RESTRAINT WHEN THE MICROPHONE IS ON. >>NAYA YOUNG: FILE TA/CPA 25-11, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION. AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT, FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2703, 2715 AND 2801 EAST ADAMO DRIVE, 1101 NORTH 26th STREET AND 508, 1100, 1101, 1102 AND 1120 NORTH 28th STREET FROM HEAVY INDUSTRIAL HI TO URBAN MIXED USE 60, UMU 60, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG -- >> SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL DEPARTMENT. SOUND LIKE YOU SAID 501. DID YOU SAY 508? >>NAYA YOUNG: 508. YES 508. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU FOR CATCHING THAT. MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK VOTING NO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: VERY GOOD. WE ARE MOVING ON TO THE 10 A.M. QUASI-JUDICIAL PUBLIC HEARINGS. COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU WERE ABSENT AT THESE VOTES. REVIEWED AND READY TO VOTE. IF ANYBODY IS HERE THAT IS GOING TO TESTIFY IN 44 AND 45, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND IF YOU HAVE NOT ALREADY BEEN SWORN IN. BEEN SWORN IN ALREADY? VERY GOOD. LET'S GO. ITEM NUMBER 44. >> GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL. CAN YOU HEAR ME? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE CAN, YES. WERE YOU SWORN IN, SIR? >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN: YES, I WAS SWORN EARLIER. LEO DEBARDELEBEN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION. ITEM 44 IS AB 2-25-16, PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1726 WEST CYPRESS STREET AND 901 NORTH FREMONT AVENUE. THE SPECIAL USE REQUEST IS FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE CLASSIFICATION FOR BEER AND WINE, CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY. SITE PLAN MODIFICATIONS WERE REQUIRED TO BE MADE BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING. THOSE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE. THE PLANS WERE CERTIFIED AND A COPY PRESENTED TO THE CLERK. I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE, APPLICANT WISH TO SPEAK? OF. >> COLIN RICE WITH THE LAW FIRM. MET WITH NEIGHBORHOOD. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE, ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM? MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, WOULD YOU READ ITEM 44. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, FILE AB 2-25-16, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2 FOR ALCOHOL BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE, CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE AT OR FROM THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT, OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 1726 WEST CYPRESS STREET AND 901 NORTH FREMONT AVENUE, TAMPA, FLORIDA, AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2, PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. ITEM 45. >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN: LEO DEBARDELEBEN DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION. ITEM 45 IS AB 2-26-02 FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 4205 AND 4230 SOUTH MacDILL AVENUE. THIS IS A SPECIAL USE REQUEST FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE CLASSIFICATION FOR BEER AND WINE, CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES, OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION. SITE PLAN MODIFICATIONS WERE REQUIRED BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING. THOSE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE. THE PLANS WERE CERTIFIED AND A COPY HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE CLERK. I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HEARING NONE, APPLICANT. >> TYLER HUDSON. ASHLEY DRIVE. NOTHING FURTHER. HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO MARTY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK TO THE ITEM? HEARING NONE, MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ ITEM 45. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE AT OR FROM THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 4205 AND 4230 SOUTH MacDILL AVENUE, TAMPA, FLORIDA -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >> CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY -- EXCUSE ME, LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION. WITHIN THE ORDINANCE, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR PACKAGE SALES ALSO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FOR PACKAGE SALES ALSO. IS IT PUBLISHED CORRECTLY? ON OUR AGENDA DOESN'T SAY THAT. >>LaCHONE DOCK: EVERYTHING ELSE WAS CORRECT. CERTIFIED APPLICATION, SITE PLAN, STAFF REPORT, ON HERE, IT IS JUST SHOWING ON PREMISES ONLY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE PACKAGE SALES IS INCLUDED. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MS. JOHNSON VELEZ, DO YOU HAVE THAT WITH THAT ADDED ON? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: REOPEN 45. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE DIDN'T VOTE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: HOLD IT FOR A MINUTE AND SEE WHERE WE STAND. IT MAY BE CORRECT FOR ALL WE KNOW. >>THE CLERK: I HAVE CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY ON THE ORDINANCE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THIS ORDINANCE. >>THE CLERK: -- ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES SMALL VENUE, CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEER WINE AT OR FROM THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 4205 AND 4230 SOUTH MacDILL AVENUE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS THAT THE WAY IT WAS READ AT FIRST MEETING, WOULD YOU KNOW? >> TYLER HUDSON. >>MARTIN SHELBY: NOTICED AS PACKAGE SALES. >> YEAH. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU DON'T HAVE A RECOLLECTION IF IT WAS READ WITH PACKAGE SALES. >> I WASN'T HERE. >>THE CLERK: I'M LOOKING AT THE MINUTES. IN THE MINUTES IT STATES THE TITLE IS THE SAME AS WHAT YOU HAVE HERE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE ORDINANCE, WHAT YOU HAVE DOES NOT COMPORT WITH IS -- >>THE CLERK: THE TITLE THAT IS ON THIS AGENDA IS EXACTLY WHAT IS STATED ON THE ORDINANCE ITSELF. >>MARTIN SHELBY: FIRST READING WAS READ THE SAME WAY. >>THE CLERK: CORRECT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: DID NOT APPEAR ON THE FIRST READING. >> PACKAGE SALES, INTENT AND HOW IT WAS DESCRIBED AT THE HEARING. TO AVOID CONFUSION, I GUESS I WOULD ASK THAT WE TREAT THIS AS A FIRST READING AND DO THE PACKAGE SALES INCLUSION IN THE APPROVAL TODAY AND WE'LL COME BACK FOR A SECOND. WE'RE NOT AWARE OF ANY OPPOSITION. WE HAD ONE NEIGHBOR WHO REACHED OUT, ALSO TO COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK AND COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. SAID HIS CONCERNS WERE SATISFIED. NOT AWARE OF ANY CONTROVERSY HERE AT ALL. IN ORDER TO GET IT RIGHT LATER AND NOT THE FIRST TIME, LET'S GET IT RIGHT NOW. IT SHOULD INCLUDE PACKAGE SALES JUST FOR BEER AND WINE BECAUSE THAT'S HOW IT WAS NOTICED. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOUR REQUEST, MR. HUDSON, WOULD BE THEN TREAT THIS AS FIRST READING AND HAVE A SECOND HEARING SET FOR TWO WEEKS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A QUESTION FROM THE COUNCILWOMAN. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN I JUST REQUEST THAT MR. HUDSON AND LEGAL JUST MAKE SURE -- I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS WHAT WAS TALKED ABOUT IN THE HEARING TO BEGIN WITH. I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO TAKE A COUPLE OF MINUTES, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT IN THE HEARING BECAUSE I JUST DON'T REMEMBER. I'M SORRY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MS. DOCK IS THE ONE WHO BROUGHT IT TO OUR ATTENTION. WHY DON'T WE REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA -- >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AB 2-26-02. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ALL IN FAVOR OF REOPENING? AYES HAVE IT. >>LaCHONE DOCK: LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION. THE ITEM WAS PRESENTED WITH PACKAGE SALES. IT WAS NOTICED AS HAVING CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES. WHAT WE CAN DO WHILE THE ORDINANCE IS CORRECTED, THIS WILL BECOME FIRST READING AND THEN WO WE WOULD HAVE A SECOND READING. THAT GIVES ENOUGH TIME TO GET THE ORDINANCE CORRECTED ON THE RECORD TO CATCH UP WITH EVERYTHING ELSE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MOTION TO RESCIND PRIOR MOTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: RECONSIDER? >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO, IT IS A MOTION TO RESCIND. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION TO RESCIND FILE AB 2-26-02 FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. NOW READ FILE AB 2-26-02 AS A FIRST READING AND ADOPTION INSERTING PACKAGE SALES. I'M TIRED. >>MARTIN SHELBY: FIRST READING CONSIDERATION. WHEN YOU GET TO THE LINE ABOUT WHAT IS BEING ASKED FOR AND PACKAGE SALES. IS THAT THE CORRECT VERBIAGE? IT HAS TO BE AT THIS POINT IN TIME TO COME BACK FOR SECOND READING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU WANT TO ADD AND PACKAGE SALES? >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU WANT TO CLOSE THE HEARING? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? >>MARTIN SHELBY: STOP FOR A SECOND PLEASE. AN ORDINANCE -- CORRECTED ORDINANCE JUST CAME DOWN FROM LEGAL DURING THIS HEARING. IT TURNS OUT IF THIS WERE INTENDED TO BE THE WAY THIS IS NOW WITH THE NEW ORDINANCE THAT MS. JOHNSON VELEZ SAID, THEN THERE'S NO REASON IT CANNOT BE READ FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION NOW THAT HE HAS THE CORRECTED ORDINANCE. >> I WOULD RATHER TREAT THIS AS FIRST READING. >>MARTIN SHELBY: FIRST READING CONSIDERATION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO MORE INTERRUPTIONS. COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, READ, PLEASE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2, THIS IS FOR FIRST READING, ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE, CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE AT OR FROM THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 4205 AND 4230 SOUTH MacDILL AVENUE, TAMPA, FLORIDA AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2, PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. LET'S DO A ROLL CALL VOTE. FIRST READING. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON MARCH 26, 2026 AT 10:00 A.M. IN OLD CITY HALL, 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD, THIRD FLOOR TAMPA FLORIDA 33602. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE'RE MOVING ON TO 48. WE'RE ALL TIRED. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. EMMA GREGORY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT. I'M HERE FOR THE FIRST READING OF A PROPOSED ORDINANCE REMOVING SECTION 22103 SUB C 1 ALSO KNOWN AS THE SIDEWALK TO NOWHERE EXCEPTION FROM THE SIDEWALK REQUIREMENT AS REQUESTED BY COUNCIL'S MOTION. SO I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND THEN COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH. THIS IS TAKING -- GETTING RID OF JUST A LITTLE PIECE THAT PREVENTED SIDEWALKS FROM BEING BUILT THROUGHOUT THE CITY, AND WE JUST REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NICE WRITING AND EVERYTHING ELSE, HOWEVER WHEN YOU READ THE ORDINANCE, IT SAYS ABOUT ACROSS THE STREET. THE PROBLEM IS, IT DOES NOT ADDRESS HOUSES ON THE CORNER OF THE STREET THAT MAY NOT HAVE THE VISIBILITY OF PUTTING A SIDEWALK ON THE STREET. CLASSIC EXAMPLE, IF YOU GO DOWN FROM MacDILL AVENUE HEADING NORTH ONE AND A HALF BLOCKS ON THE RIGHT, THERE IS A BRAND-NEW HOUSE JUST FINISHED BUILDING, 80 TO 90-FOOT SIDEWALK. YOU KNOW WHAT IT EMPTIES TO? MacDILL AVENUE. IT DOES NOT GO STRAIGHT BECAUSE THERE'S NO SIDEWALK ANYWHERE. SO THERE'S NO SIDEWALK FROM COLUMBUS DRIVE AND MacDILL ALL THE WAY TO ST. JOSEPH HOSPITAL AND NOT ONLY THAT, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF ST. JOSEPH HOSPITAL ALL THE WAY TO HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE, THERE IS NO SIDEWALK. THE ONLY SIDEWALK IS ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET. IF YOU PASS THIS ORDINANCE, YOU CAN'T PUT IT -- YOU WANT YOUR SIDEWALK TO GO HERE AND THE ADDITION TO GO ACROSS THE STREET IF THERE IS A SIDEWALK THERE. IN THIS CASE, THERE IS NO SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THE STREET. I'M NOT BLAMING YOU, BUT THINGS DO HAPPEN. I'M NOT TRYING TO STOP THIS ORDINANCE. PASS IT, FINE. BUT YOU HAVE TO REFINE IT IF YOU WANT IT TO BE HUNDRED PERCENT PROOF. THE SIDEWALK GOES, YOU CAN FOLLOW IT DOWN THE LINE, GO TWO BLOCKS, BLOCK AND A HALF NORTH ON MacDILL AVENUE AND YOU LOOK TO THE RIGHT, BRAND-NEW HOUSE, AND THE SIDEWALK GOES UNTIL IT GETS TO THE CORNER. BUT IT TURNS TO LEFT, YOU WALK INTO THE STREET OFF THE SIDEWALK THAT THE CITY PUT EVEN A YELLOW SO YOU KNOW YOU HAVE TO EXIT THAT WAY. NEVER SEEN A SIDEWALK THAT EMPTIES OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET. LOOK AT IT FOR YOURSELF. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND VIERA. >>BILL CARLSON: WE HAVE RECEIVED REQUESTS JUST IN THE LAST 24 HOURS FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD CULBREATH BAYOU, OVER ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PENINSULA IN SOUTH TAMPA. THEY WERE ONE OF THE HARDEST HITS NEIGHBORHOODS DURING THE STORMS. THE SURGE CAME IN AND WIPED OUT MOST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AS THEY ARE REBUILDING NOW, THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS REQUIREMENT BECAUSE OF THE COST. AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT ISSUE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. THE OTHER THING IS, THEY HAVE DONE SOME PRELIMINARY RESEARCH AT LEAST WITH HISTORIANS. THE WAY THE HISTORIANS SAY THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WAS ORIGINALLY PLATTED, IT INTENTIONALLY DID NOT HAVE SIDEWALKS AND THE CITY DID NOT HAVE ANY EASEMENT FOR SIDEWALKS. THERE WAS A UTILITY EASEMENT BUT NOT A SIDEWALK EASEMENT. THEY THINK IT WOULD CREATE HAZARDOUS CONDITIONS IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. IS THERE A WAY TO AT LEAST TEMPORARILY EXCLUDE CULBREATH BAYOU AND THEN COME BACK AND REVISIT AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE AFTER LEGAL ANALYZES THE SITUATION? >> ALL OF THE ORDINANCES -- THESE ARE GENERAL LAWS THAT APPLY TO ALL STREETS AND NEIGHBORHOODS WITHIN THE CITY. I'M AWARE THAT CULBREATH BAYOU HAS VOICED SOME OF THESE CONCERNS, BUT I AM NOT YET READY TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS. >>BILL CARLSON: MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE A WAY TO JUST PARTITION OUT CULBREATH BAYOU AND THEN WE CAN PUT ON THE AGENDA TO COME BACK AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE AND REVISIT IT? >>EMMA GREGORY: I WOULD SAY AT THIS POINT, I MEAN, SECTION 22-103 APPLIES TO THE ENTIRE CITY. >>BILL CARLSON: CAN'T WE JUST SAY EXCLUDING THE AREA KNOWN AS CULBREATH BAYOU? >>EMMA GREGORY: I DON'T AT THIS POINT KNOW THAT WE HAVE A BASIS TO DO THAT. >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT I WOULD DO IS VOTE NO. I JUST FOUND THIS OUT TODAY AND YESTERDAY. I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT. I WANT THIS TO PASS. I THINK THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR GETTING SIDEWALKS. I HAVE GIVEN THE EXAMPLE ON MY STREET, A PERSON IN A WHEELCHAIR, HAS TO GO IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD AND INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE SPEEDING. IF A PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD WAS PLATTED THAT WAY, I THINK WE SHOULD RESEARCH IT BEFORE WE IMPOSE SOMETHING THAT WAS NEVER INTENDED FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. EACH NEIGHBORHOOD HAS ITS OWN PLANNING, SO I WILL HAVE TO VOTE NO NOW, IF IT PASSES, THEN I'LL MAKE ANOTHER MOTION TO ASK US TO STUDY THIS. >>LUIS VIERA: I WAS GOING TO ASK THE SAME THING. I'M GLAD A GENTLEMAN WHO I KNOW IS A VERY NICE, DECENT INDIVIDUAL CONTACTED ME FROM CULBREATH. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THIS IS FIRST READING. WE'LL HAVE SECOND READING. WHAT I'M GOING TO DO, BECAUSE AS COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID, THIS IS A GOOD ORDINANCE. IT'S GOING TO DO REALLY GOOD THINGS FOR A LOT OF REALLY GOOD PEOPLE. OBVIOUSLY, WE'LL HAVE A SEPARATE MOTION ON THIS, TO CHECK BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING IF WE CAN EXCLUDE ANY PART OF THE CITY OF TAMPA FROM THIS. >>EMMA GREGORY: TRUTHFULLY, COUNCILMAN VIERA, I THINK THAT WOULD DELAY THE WHOLE ENTIRE ORDINANCE. I THINK THAT WOULD GO BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THE CHANGES THAT ARE ALLOWED BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING. I THINK THAT WOULD REQUIRE A BIG STAFF EFFORT TO STUDY THE NEIGHBORHOOD, TO DO THE HISTORICAL RESEARCH. AND I THINK THERE IS A CONSIDERATION THAT IT COULD UNDERMINE THE SIDEWALK EFFORT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ENACT THROUGH THE WHOLE ENTIRE CITY. SO I THINK IT'S OBVIOUSLY COUNCIL'S PLEASURE FOR US TO CONDUCT THAT IT WORK, BUT IT WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY DELAY THIS ORDINANCE. >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN CARLSON CAN MAKE THE MOTION, I WILL SUPPORT IT. PERHAPS WE CAN LOOK AT THE FEASIBILITY OF LOOKING AT THAT BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING, FEASIBILITY TO AT LEAST SHOW THESE GOOD FOLKS THAT WE'RE DOING SOMETHING. AGAIN, THEY WERE TREMENDOUSLY IMPACTED IN THE HURRICANES IN '24, AND I THINK THAT DOING OUR BEST FOR THIS, GIVEN THOSE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED IN THE CORRESPONDENCE IS SOMETHING THAT I'M VERY SYMPATHETIC TO. AGAIN, I'LL VOTE ON THIS FOR FIRST READING BECAUSE THIS IS WONDERFUL, IT IS A GOOD THING BUT I DO WANT TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING. IF IT DELAYS IT A WEEK OR TWO OR WHATEVER IT IS, IF IT'S MUCH LONGER LIKE YOU SAY, THAT'S FINE. AT LEAST LOOK AT FEASIBILITY. AS COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID, THIS JUST LITERALLY CAME UP WITHIN THE LAST 48 HOURS AND WE WANT TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THESE GOOD FOLKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AGAIN, I WILL SUPPORT THIS, HOWEVER WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND WE'RE GOING TO INQUIRE ON WHAT WE CAN DO FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND SEE IF ANYTHING CAN BE SET ASIDE TO THE EXTENT THAT IT CAN AND I'LL MAKE MY DETERMINATION UPON SECOND READING. THAT'S MY INTENT. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: VERY GOOD. COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET ME SAY THIS ALSO. I REALLY BELIEVE, THAT ALTHOUGH I'M GOING TO SUPPORT IT, PEOPLE SAY I DON'T LIKE SIDEWALKS. I LIKE SIDEWALKS BUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING NOW, WALK ON THE STREET AND GET HIT BY A CAR, BECAUSE IT TAKES YOU RIGHT INTO MacDILL. NOT STRAIGHT. A LEFT. LIKE EXIT TO THE STREET. I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT. DON'T TAKE MY WORD. GO LOOK AT IT. THE SECOND THING IS, THE TWO GENTLEMEN BEFORE TALKED ABOUT, ONLY WAY THIS WILL WORK IS IF THE CITY FUNDS IT ITSELF. TRANSPORTATION TAX OR SOMETHING THAT GOES ON IT BECAUSE IT WILL NEVER, EVER IN THE EARTH DISINTEGRATE BEFORE THIS IS DONE. HOW MANY NEW HOUSES ARE GOING TO BE BUILT WHEN THERE ARE NEW HOUSES TO BE BUILT SOONER OR LATER BECAUSE NO HOUSES UNLESS YOU HAVE A KNOCK-DOWN, YOU HAVE ONE HOUSE. BECAUSE ONE HOUSE, DOESN'T MEAN YOU DO THE WHOLE SIDEWALK. IF THAT PERSON DOESN'T WANT TO PAY THEN IT GOES TO SOMEBODY ELSE. BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT WHOEVER BUILDS A HOUSE NOW, THEY DON'T WANT A SIDEWALK AND -- WHAT ABOUT A DITCH ON THE CITY PROPERTY, SIDEWALK ONLY GOES ON CITY PROPERTY, NOT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. WHILE THERE IS A DITCH, THAT IS A CITY DITCH, THE CITY SHOULD BE ABLE TO PAY FOR THE SIDEWALK. THE HOMEOWNER HAS NO SAY IF THERE IS A DITCH OR NO DITCH, IF BUILDS A HOUSE AND THERE IS A DITCH THERE. WHAT IS THE HOMEOWNER SUPPOSED TO DO? I DID A LITTLE MATH REAL QUICK. 60-FOOT LOT $8,700, 70-FOOT $10,150. JUST FOR THE SIDEWALK. HE OR SHE IS NEVER GOING TO SEE A SIDEWALK. THEY HAVE TO PAY IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DITCH. IT DOESN'T MAKE COMMON SENSE. NO REFLECTION ON YOU, PLEASE DON'T TAKE THAT. IT IS A SYSTEM THAT DOES NOT WORK AND WE'LL PERPETUATE IT TO -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WANTING TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM? MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. SECOND FROM VIERA. AYES HAVE IT. >>LYNN HURTAK: ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES, CHAPTER 22, ARTICLE 1, DIVISION 3, SUBDIVISION 3, SECTION 22-103, "WHEN NEW SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION IS REQUIRED; CONTRIBUTIONS TO SIDEWALK TRUST FUND IN LIEU OF CONSTRUCTING A SIDEWALK"; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. ALL IN FAVOR AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. >>BILL CARLSON: MAY I SAY ONE THING? JUST EXPLAIN, I SAID I WAS GOING TO VOTE AGAINST IT. COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA REMINDED US THERE ARE TWO VOTES. BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING, LOVE TO TALK TO FOLKS ABOUT THAT. I ALSO HAVE THE MOTION ON CULBREATH BAYOU. WAIT TO LATER OR DO IT NOW? >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON MARCH 26, 2026 AT 10 A.M. IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD, THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA 33602. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF -- IS IT JUST FOUR. THEY ARE ALL GOING TO BE LONG ONES. >>LUIS VIERA: I HAVE SOMETHING I SHOULD HAVE BEEN AT AT ABOUT 5:45. I CAN PULL IT OFF ANOTHER 20 MINUTES. I KNOW WE HAVE A FULL COUNCIL. FYI. I DIDN'T THINK -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HIGHLY SUGGEST -- IF YOU GUYS ARE AS FRIED AS I AM, WE'RE NOT DOING ANYBODY ANY SERVICE BY LISTENING TO THIS STUFF THIS LATE. MY BRAIN IS FRIED. >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK I CAN SOLVE ITEM 57 PRETTY QUICKLY AND JUST SAY THAT THAT IS THE SUMMER YOUTH PROGRAM. I SPOKE TO MS. McKENZIE. WE NEED $175,000 TO ADD IT -- TO MAKE IT TO GO TO 70 KIDS. WE ALREADY HAVE 200 SLATED IN THE EXTRA BUDGET FROM FY '25. THAT'S ALREADY DONE. I THINK WE DON'T REALLY -- I MEAN, IF SHE WANTS TO ADD A COUPLE OF SENTENCES. BUT THE MONEY HAS ALREADY BEEN ALLOCATED BY US LAST WEEK FOR THE EXTRA MONEY TO MAKE IT TO 70. IN FACT, WE HAVE LIKE A $25,000 CUSHION, SO MAYBE WE COULD GO EVEN HIGHER. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD TO THAT? >> WE WOULD -- FOR THE RECORD, BRENDA McKENZIE, DIRECTOR OF WORKFORCE PARTNERSHIPS. I WOULD ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER TAKING AN INTERN FOR THE SUMMER. IT'S STILL OPEN, SO WE'RE WORKING WITH DEPARTMENTS AND WITH COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO PLACE THE STUDENTS IN WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITIES. >>LYNN HURTAK: THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION BECAUSE IT WAS MENTIONED BY THE PUBLIC AND I DID SPEAK TO MS. McKENZIE ABOUT IT, IS WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY -- WE CAN'T DO IT NOW BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE OPENED THE APPLICATIONS, BUT WE REALLY NEED TO FIND A WAY TO PRIORITIZE CITY OF TAMPA YOUTH BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S OPEN TO EVERYONE. I KNOW THERE ARE SOME THINGS ABOUT CITY OF TAMPA EMPLOYEES AND THEIR KIDS. THEY MIGHT NOT LIVE IN THE CITY, BUT REALLY, WE NEED TO PRIORITIZE. NEXT YEAR, I WANT TO MAKE IT A THING THAT WE ARE PRIORITIZING CITY OF TAMPA YOUTH. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE NEED A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FOR 57. MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG. IN FAVOR, AYE. AYES HAVE IT. ON THE OTHERS, ANYTHING FROM STAFF THAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO BE HEARD TONIGHT, THAT WE COULDN'T GO UNTIL OUR SPECIAL CALL MEETING ON APRIL 7? >>ERIC COTTON: ERIC COTTON, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION. THIS IS A TRANSMITTAL HEARING FOR THE TEXT AMENDMENTS. THERE'S NOTHING SUBSTANTIVE TAKING PLACE THIS EVENING FROM COUNCIL. IT'S JUST WE WERE GOING TO PRESENT WHAT THOSE AMENDMENTS WERE SO WE CAN GET IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THEIR BRIEFING. YOU'LL BE GETTING IT BACK IN MAY FOR FIRST READING. WE WORKSHOPPED THIS IN SEPTEMBER. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU NEED? >>ERIC COTTON: ERIC COTTON VERSION, ABOUT 30 SECONDS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: START WITH YOUR NAME. THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 61. >>ERIC COTTON: YES. ERIC COTTON, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION. SO THIS IS THE JULY 2025 CYCLE. WE ARE HERE. THIS IS A TRANSMITTAL HEARING FOR THE CYCLE. THE FIRST WAS A COUNCIL INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENT WHICH WAS AMENDED TO SECTION 27-199, WHICH WAS TO INCREASE THE HEIGHT IN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT TO FAAHCA TO ALLOW THE POSSIBILITY OF BONUS WITH COUNCIL APPROVAL. FAA/HCAA. >>BILL CARLSON: ANDY AND KEN WERE HERE LAST TIME AND HAD CONCERNS AND RESOLVED IT WITH ABBYE. >>ERIC COTTON: BASICALLY, THE TABLE IS GOING TO BASICALLY GET CHANGED TO LOOK LIKE THAT, WHAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW. THEN THERE WERE FOUR TEXT AMENDMENTS INITIATED BY STAFF. THREE OF THEM WERE TO BASICALLY AMEND OUR CODE TO KEEP UP WITH EVERYTHING THE STATE IS PREEMPTING US ON. STATE CHANGED RULES. AMENDING CODE TO CORRECT SOME OF THOSE -- UPDATE REGULATIONS TO MATCH THAT. MOST CONTROVERSIAL ONE PROBABLY THE SPECIAL STREET SETBACK WHICH WE CAN, OF COURSE, DISCUSS AT THE FIRST READING, IF YOU'D LIKE. STATE PREEMPTED US ON ELECTRIC VEHICLES, SO WE CAN NO LONGER HAVE ELECTRIC VEHICLE CAPABLE PLACES AND CERTIFIED RECOVERY RESIDENCE IS ANOTHER THING THE STATE PREEMPTED US ON AND REQUIRED US TO HAVE. THAT'S THE ERIC COTTON SHORT VERSION OF EVERYTHING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DOES COUNCIL HAVE QUESTIONS? >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT IS A RECOVERY RESIDENCE? >>ERIC COTTON: GENERICALLY YOU CAN CALL THEM SOBER LIVING. >>LYNN HURTAK: OH, GOT IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HEARING NO OTHER QUESTIONS. DO WE NEED PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS? NO, WE DON'T. I NEED A MOTION TO TRANSMIT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE TO TRANSMIT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION TO TRANSMIT FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. FOR 55, POLICE DEPARTMENT, HOW LONG DO YOU NEED FOR THE PRESENTATION? >> 30 SECONDS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY. LET'S GO. THIS IS ITEM 55. >> LES RICHARDSON, TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT. JUST WANTED TO RECAP ON THE TOWN HALL THAT WE HAD WITH COUNCILWOMAN NAYA YOUNG. WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS. WE IMPLEMENTED A COUPLE OF THINGS. SOME OF THOSE WERE THE INCREASE IN PRESENCE FOR THE UNITS THAT ARE IN YBOR CITY. I THINK THAT WE HAD A VERY SUCCESSFUL YBOR KNIGHTS PARADE, AND I THINK SOME OF WHAT WE DID. WE ALSO KEPT OUR PARTNERSHIPS WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT AND YES TEAM, AND THEY WERE OUT THERE AS WELL. I THINK A LOT OF OUR QUESTIONS THAT WE DID SEE WERE DIRECTED TOWARDS TRAFFIC CALMING AND MANAGEMENT. AND I THINK MOST OF THAT WOULD COME UNDER MOBILITY. BUT I DID WANT TO COME UP HERE AND ONE, THANK THE COUNCILWOMAN, BUT GIVE YOU A REPORT ON WHAT CAME OUT OF THAT AND WHERE WE STAND ON THAT. HAND IT OVER TO MOBILITY. >> ADAM PURCELL, TRANSPORTATION SERVICES DIRECTOR. I PARTICIPATED IN THE YBOR WORKSHOP AND VERY QUICKLY, WHAT'S COME OUT OF THAT EFFORT -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ZOOM IT OUT A LITTLE BIT SO WE HAVE THE WHOLE SCREEN. >> SO THE SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS WE DECIDED TO MAKE IN YBOR TO RESPOND TO THE CRASH THAT OCCURRED IN NOVEMBER STEM FROM A COUPLE OF EFFORTS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED. WE NEED TO SLOW TRAFFIC AND WE NEED TO STOP THEIR ABILITY FROM ACCESSING THE PEDESTRIAN SPACE ALONG THE ROADWAY. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED IN MOBILITY ARE SHORT AND LONG-TERM INTERVENTIONS. THE SHORT-TERM INTERVENTIONS ARE REDUCTION OF SPEED LIMIT. CURRENTLY, THERE WAS A SEGMENT OF 7th AVENUE THAT WAS STILL MARKED FOR 30 MILES AN HOUR. WE HAVE COME OUT AND DECIDED TO REDUCE THAT SPEED LIMIT TO 25. AND THEN WHERE THE VEHICLE APPROACH THAT RESULTED IN THE CRASH JUST EAST OF NUCCIO IS AN AREA OF 7th AVENUE BETWEEN NEBRASKA AND NUCCIO THAT WAS A FAIRLY WIDE RIGHT-OF-WAY. IT HAD WIDE LANES OF TRAFFIC THAT ALLOWED FOR HIGH SPEED OF TRAVEL. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'LL DO IS INTRODUCE ON-STREET PARKING. WE'LL COME IN AND NARROW THE ROADWAY. REPAVE THAT SEGMENT OF ROAD, INTRODUCING BUS BAYS, PAINTED BUS BAYS AND SPACE FOR 36 OFF-STREET PARKING SPACES. WHAT WE HOPE IS THAT AS TRAFFIC APPROACHES, THE MORE ACTIVE SEGMENT OF 7th AVENUE IN YBOR, THAT THAT TRAFFIC IS SLOWED BECAUSE OF THAT PHYSICAL IMPEDIMENT OF THE NARROWING OF LANES. THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITHIN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS. SO WE MOVED VERY QUICKLY AS A STAFF. WE SHIFTED SOME RESOURCES. WE TALKED WITH THE PUBLIC LAST MONTH THAT WE THOUGHT IT WOULD HAPPEN IN THE NEXT 90 DAYS. WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO FRONT LOAD IT EVEN MORE. THE SPEED LIMIT AND REPAVING WILL OCCUR IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS. AND THEN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS A LITTLE BIT LONGER TERM EFFORT. WE'RE WORKING NOT JUST WITH TPD BUT WITH THE CRA. THEY ARE CURRENTLY REBRICKING 7th AVENUE. IF YOU DRIVE ON BRICK ROADS, YOU KNOW THEY GIVE A LOT OF FEEDBACK. THEY MAKE YOU BE AWARE OF YOUR SURROUNDINGS AND DRIVE A LITTLE BIT SLOWER. SO WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE CRA IN THEIR REBRICKING EFFORTS. AND THEN AS THAT REBRICKING CONTINUES DOWN THE STREET, WE LOOKED AT IMPLEMENTING BOLLARDS. SO IF YOU LOOK IN FRONT OF THE COLUMBIA RESTAURANT, THERE ARE EXISTING BOLLARDS ALONG THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. WE'LL COME IN AND AT THE HIGHER VOLUME INTERSECTIONS, INTRODUCE BOLLARDS CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF YBOR. BUT GET THOSE DEPLOYED OR WORK WITH THE CRA TO GET THOSE DEPLOYED AS PART OF THE REBRICKING PROJECT SO THAT WE CAN LIMIT CRASHES TO THE INTERSECTIONS, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AT THE HIGHER VOLUME INTERSECTIONS, THEN THOSE VEHICLES ARE CONTAINED TO THE ROADWAY AND DON'T SPILL OUT ONTO THE PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY. SO VERY BRIEFLY, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IN YBOR, AND THIS IS UNDER OUR LARGER TRANSPORTATION SAFETY PROGRAM THAT WE WORK ON EVERY DAY. WE'VE GOT THREE FULL-TIME STAFF CITYWIDE THAT WORK ON SAFETY AN ENGINEER, CITY PLANNER, AND A PROJECT COORDINATOR. SO WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED PROJECTS PREVIOUS TO THIS, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE PLAN TO DO MOVING FORWARD IN YBOR TO IMPROVE THE SAFETY CONDITIONS ON 7th AVENUE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. SIR, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG. >>NAYA YOUNG: WELL, I ALREADY THANKED YOU ALL, BUT I WANT TO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR JUST FOR BEING AT THE TOWN HALL, FOR ENGAGING THE COMMUNITY AND FOR JUST WORKING SWIFTLY TO GET THESE DONE. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU ALL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. I WAS ALSO AT THAT MEETING AND I THOUGHT IT WAS -- WENT VERY WELL. YOU ALL WERE VERY PREPARED. I APPRECIATE THAT. SO MY FIRST QUESTION, IT DOESN'T -- THEY KEEP TRYING TO MAKE IT RHYME. 20 IS PLENTY. WHY CAN'T WE GO TO 20? >> THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION. WHAT WE DID, THERE WAS A SPEED STUDY COMPLETED THAT LOOKED AT THE CURRENT SPEED LIMITS ALONG THE CORRIDOR. THE ENGINEERS THAT COMPLETED THAT STUDY MADE THE RECOMMENDATION TO DROP IT TO 25. THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE REMAINDER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT 7th AVENUE. WHAT WE'RE DOING IS REDUCING THE SPEED BETWEEN NUCCIO AND NEBRASKA FROM 30 TO 25 TO MATCH THE WIDER CORRIDOR. I WOULD HAVE TO GET MORE DETAIL FROM ENGINEERING STAFF ON WHY IT COULDN'T BE LOWERED TO 20, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN EXCEPTIONAL CONDITION WITHIN THE CITY LIKELY REQUIRING MORE JUSTIFICATION FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE. I CAN GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M CURIOUS BECAUSE I'M SEEING THE NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS ARE 25, TOO. I DO BELIEVE THAT 20 IS PLENTY IN A NEIGHBORHOOD AREA AND A VERY WALKABLE AREA. eBAY JUST HAS SO -- YBOR HAS SO MANY PEDESTRIANS THAT I THINK WE SHOULD NORMALIZE GOING SLOW. THE BRICKS HELP, BUT I THINK IF WE REALLY NORMALIZE IT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, SPREADING IT OUT THROUGH THE REST OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREA WOULD BE EASIER. AND I REALLY THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE GOING IN THAT DIRECTION IN OUR RESIDENTIAL AREAS IN THE CITY. ALSO, MY ONLY OTHER THING IS 7th AVENUE ALREADY HAS A TON OF POLES AND OTHER THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO WEAVE AROUND AS A PEDESTRIAN. SO AS WE'RE LOOKING AT BOLLARDS, WHICH IS FABULOUS, AND I 100% AGREE WITH, AS WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT THAT STREETSCAPE, WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO TO MAYBE COMBINE THINGS? THE POLLS THAT ARE ON THE SIDEWALKS, WHAT ARE WE DOING TO -- IT MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME TO KIND OF LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, ARE THERE STREET SIGNS THAT COULD BE COMBINED WITH OTHER STREET SIGNS? IT'S JUST A LOT OF POLES. I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THING AND IT'S A SAFETY MEASURE. JUST SAYING WHILE LOOKING AT THE BOLLARDS AND WHILE ADDING THEM, SUPER SUPPORTIVE, WHAT ELSE ARE WE DOING TO MAKE IT MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY ALONG 7th AVENUE. >> ABSOLUTELY. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE DONE TO SLOW TRAFFIC ON 7th IS PUT IN A COUPLE OF FOUR-WAY STOPS. WHERE IT WAS A ONE-WAY STOP CONDITION, WE PUT IN A FOUR WAY STOP. VEHICLES STOP AND THEN HAVE TO ACCELERATE. THAT DID SLOW TRAFFIC ON 7th AS WELL. >>LYNN HURTAK: ONE MORE THING I WANT TO SAY, WHILE DOING THE BRICKINGS, WE HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION, LIVABLE ROADWAYS COMMITTEE WEDNESDAY MORNING ABOUT RAISED CROSSWALKS. AS WE'RE DOING BRICK STREETS, I KNOW THERE ARE PARTICULAR CROSSWALKS. I'M THINKING SPECIFICALLY OF 16th WHERE FOLKS GO TO YBOR -- YES, CENTRO YBOR. THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY. WHERE THEY ALREADY HAVE THAT TYPE OF CROSS WALK, MAYBE ADDING A RAISED CROSS WALK WITH BRICK WOULD HELP EVEN MORE. AND SOME OF THOSE PEDESTRIAN AREAS, I KNOW IT'S WEIRD TO HAVE A SPEED BUMP WITH AN ALREADY BRICKED ROAD, BUT IF WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT THEM AS SPEED BUMPS, WE ARE LOOKING AT RAISED CROSSWALKS AND LOOK THROUGHOUT THE CITY AT RAISED CROSSWALKS. THAT MAY BE A GOOD PLACE TO IMPLEMENT THEM INITIALLY TO SEE IF THEY WORK. AGAIN, JUST BECAUSE OF THE HEAVY PEDESTRIANNESS OF THE AREA. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THOSE CONSIDERED. >> UNDERSTOOD. THIS IS AN ABRIDGED VERSION OF WHAT I WAS GOING TO DISCUSS. WE LOOKED AT CRASH HISTORY IN HISTORIC YBOR THAT THERE HAVE BEEN TWO FATAL CRASHES WITHIN THE LAST FIVE YEARS. ONE ON ADAMO AND ONE ON 21st. AND THEN ON 7th AVENUE, HADN'T BEEN A FATAL CRASH BEFORE NOVEMBER FOR MORE THAN A DECADE. LOOKED BACK TEN YEARS AND LOOKED AT THE DATA. WE DON'T SEE THE SEVERE INJURY OR FATAL CRASHES OCCURRING IN YBOR. I THINK IT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THE WAY THE STREETS ARE BUILT BECAUSE OF ALL THE HISTORIC PATTERN OF THAT DEVELOPMENT. BUT ABSOLUTELY, WE'LL TAKE MORE NOTES AND TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO AND HOW WE CAN INTEGRATE IT. >>LYNN HURTAK: IF IT IS NOT THE RIGHT SPOT, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND IT. JUST THROWING THE IDEA OUT THERE FOR THE CITY AS A WHOLE. AGAIN, EVEN JUST THAT ONE PARTICULAR CROSS WALK, BECAUSE THAT ONE IS, YEAH, I'M GETTING A BIG SMILE FROM THE MAJOR. YES, EVEN IF THAT ONE MIGHT BE A GREAT PLACE TO JUST TRY IT. THAT MIGHT EVEN BE GOOD ON 8th, GOING THROUGH CENTRO, JUST PERIOD, HAVING THOSE TWO PARTICULAR CROSSWALKS AS PEOPLE NAVIGATE CENTRO. SO THANK YOU. >>BILL CARLSON: FIRST, I WANTED TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR THE BRIEF REPORT, VERY EFFECTIVE REPORT, BUT ALSO FOR RESPONDING SO QUICKLY AND HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY AND WORKING ON THIS. WE'VE ALL HAD A LOT OF INFORMATION FROM THE COMMUNITY. MY DAY JOB IS IN YBOR. SO I'M IN THERE EVERY DAY, PERSONALLY VERY INTERESTED IN IT. ALSO, BOTH OF YOU -- I DON'T KNOW YOU GUYS VERY WELL. I DON'T KNOW IF I MET YOU AT ALL REALLY. BUT THE FEEDBACK I GET FROM THE COMMUNITY ON THE TWO OF YOU IS VERY, VERY POSITIVE. PLEASE KEEP UP WHATEVER YOU ARE DOING. AS LONG AS WE'RE GETTING POSITIVE FEEDBACK, THAT MEANS THAT YOU'RE MAKING OUR CONSTITUENTS HAPPY AND THAT MEANS WE DON'T GET CALLS. IN THIS CASE, WE'RE GETTING POSITIVE CALLS. ON THE REBRICKING, THIS IS MORE FOR THE CRA THAN YOU, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CRA DOES THE ANNOUNCEMENT NEXT TIME. I STILL GET COMPLAINTS ALL THE TIME, WHY ARE WE WASTING MONEY ON BRICKS? IF IT LOOKS LIKE A CITY PROJECT, WE'LL GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS. IF IT IS A CRA PROJECT, THEN STILL SOME PEOPLE ARE AGAINST IT, BUT NOT AS MANY AS IF THEY THINK WE CAN USE IT IN PLACES WHERE THERE ARE POTHOLES. THE OTHER THING, TO THE POINT MY COLLEAGUE WAS MAKING, THERE IS AN ARTIST IN YBOR WHO HAS GLASS BRICKS. I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY ARE AT LOAD BEARING, BUT SHE HAS THESE GLASS BRICKS. I CAN PUT YOU IN TOUCH. IF WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING VISUALLY FOR CROSSWALKS, THE ARTS COMMUNITY IN YBOR HAS THOUGHT ABOUT USING THESE ART GLASS BRICKS IN SOME WAYS. IF YOU ARE OPEN TO THAT. LAST THING IS A QUESTION. THESE ARE ONE-OFF INSTANCES AND WE CAN'T CHANGE EVERYTHING JUST FOR THESE ONE-OFF INSTANCES. BUT IN THIS CASE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE PERSON CAME FROM 275 ACROSS NUCCIO DOWN 7th. AT NIGHT, ESPECIALLY, IS THERE A WAY WE CAN CLOSE THAT CROSSING FROM NUCCIO -- AT NUCCIO AND 7th SO PEOPLE COULDN'T RACE DOWN THERE? WHAT WOULD BE YOUR ADVICE RELATED TO THAT? >> AS FAR AS CLOSURES OF CROSSINGS, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE SAW A LOT OF SUPPORT WITH AT THE PUBLIC MEETING. IT WAS KIND OF A SPLIT PUBLIC OPINION ON THAT. SOME OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT ANY KIND OF CLOSURE OR INHIBITING TRAFFIC ACCESS TO 7th AVENUE, THERE WAS PUSH-BACK BECAUSE OF FEAR OF DAMAGE TO BUSINESS. BUT THEN THERE WERE OTHER CONSTITUENTS THAT ASKED FOR IT. WE DIDN'T EVALUATE ANY KIND OF CLOSURE OF 7th AVENUE. THAT'S WHY WE FOCUSED KIND OF SEPARATING, KEEPING THE CARS WHERE THE CARS BELONG AND PROTECTING THE PEDESTRIANS. >>BILL CARLSON: JUST TO BE CLEAR, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF CLOSING 7th AVENUE AT ALL. JUST THE ONLY THING, THE CROSSING WHERE CARS ARE GOING DOWN 7th AND THEY CROSS NUCCIO, THE ONLY IDEA WOULD BE, IS IT -- WOULD IT BE ADVISABLE TO CLOSE THAT SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO AROUND? THAT MIGHT SLOW THEM DOWN. YOU HAVE ALREADY GIVEN THE ANSWER. I APPRECIATE IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE'RE DONE. >> THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SHOOT. I'M SORRY. COUNCILMAN MIRANDA HAS BEEN HAND SIGNALING ME AND LOOKING AT ME. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: EVERY TIME WE COME HERE 4:00 IN THE MORNING EVERY DAY. AS I LOOK AT THIS, I DIDN'T LEAVE YBOR CITY BECAUSE I WAS ASKED TO LEAVE. I MOVED OUT WITH MY WIFE AND TWO KIDS. WHEN I SEE 7th AVENUE, THE REASON IT WAS DIFFERENT, BECAUSE IT WAS A STREETCAR DOWN THE MIDDLE, YOU COULD NOT SPEED IN YBOR CITY. STREETCAR, PARKED CAR ON BOTH SIDES. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, THAT STREET BEING UP, I DROVE THAT STREET A COUPLE OF TIMES. I DON'T DRIVE IT ANYMORE. NOT THAT I WAS GOING FAST. I WANT MY CAR TO HAVE SHOCKS EVERY THREE MONTHS. I AGREE WITH YOU ON THE BOLLARDS. I THINK SOMEBODY, 3:00 IN THE MORNING, 2:00 IN THE MORNING, WE WERE THEY CLOSE, MIGHT HAVE HAD LITTLE TOO MUCH OF DANCING IN THEM, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN BY THAT, AND MAKE A WRONG TURN AND GO INTO THE PAVEMENT OF THE SIDEWALK. I AGREE WITH THE BOLLARDS. AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY. SPEED SIGN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE 25 BECAUSE OF CERTAIN REGULATIONS OF DIFFERENT LAWS. ALL IN ALL, YBOR CITY IN MY OPINION IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS WILL CHANGE. IT WILL BE BACK TO RESIDENTIAL IN A LOT OF PARTS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ALL YOU GOT? ALL THAT COMMOTION? WHAT YEAR DID THEY THROW YOU OUT OF YBOR? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I NAMED A HORSE, YBOR CITY CHARLIE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: VERY GOOD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE TODAY. SORRY TO KEEP YOU HERE. IF I HAVE TO BE HERE ALL DAY, I'M GLAD WE HAD COMPANY. BRANDON CAMPBELL AND COMPANY. >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: ITEM 54, THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHO IS THE CONSULTANT BACK HERE? ARE YOU ENJOYING TAMPA CITY COUNCIL? WHAT TIME DID YOU GET HERE TODAY? >> YUAN WAS TRYING TO SCOUT FOR ME. BUT I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE MAYBE 3. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OH, THEN I'M NOT FEELING SORRY FOR YOU. I AM NOT EVEN FEELING SORRY FOR YOU. GO AHEAD. >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: BRANDON CAMPBELL, MOBILITY DIRECTOR. I HAVE YUAN LI HERE, OUR STORMWATER SERVICES DIRECTOR AS WELL. SHE WAS GOING TO INTRODUCE OUR CONSULTANT FORMALLY. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. YUAN LI, STORMWATER SERVICES DIRECTOR. WE ARE HERE TO PROVIDE A QUARTERLY UPDATE OF CITYWIDE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN UPDATE. WE STARTED THIS PROJECT ABOUT A YEAR AGO. THE MAIN OBJECTIVE OF THE EFFORT IS TO EVALUATE THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM CAPACITY CITYWIDE AND ALSO IDENTIFY FLOODING RISKS SO THAT THE FUTURE STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS CAN BE IDENTIFIED AND PRIORITIZED. THE COUNCIL MENTIONED ABOUT CONCORDIA PARK THIS MORNING, WHICH IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF NEEDING THIS EXERCISE. WITH THAT, WE HAVE TAYLOR LANKFORD HERE TODAY TO GIVE A QUICK PRESENTATION. TAYLOR IS A REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER AND IS STORMWATER DIRECTOR WITH APPLIED AND ALSO EXPERT OF STORMWATER MODELING AND WATER RESOURCES PLANNING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. START WITH YOUR NAME. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. TAYLOR LANGFORD WITH APPLIED SCIENCES. I AM THE WATER RESOURCE DIRECTOR THERE. I GUESS I HAVE THE SLIDES. JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, I'VE BEEN WORKING IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA FOR OVER A DECADE NOW. I GREW UP ON THE EAST COAST IN MARTIN COUNTY. I ACTUALLY WORKED WITH YUAN A LITTLE BIT AT THE SOUTHWEST FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. SO I WORKED THERE FOR ABOUT SEVEN YEARS IN THE ENGINEERING WATERSHED MANAGEMENT SECTION BASICALLY DOING THE SAME VERY PROJECTS, DEVELOPING THESE DETAILED HYDRAULIC AND HYDROLOGIC MODELS FOR URBAN AND RURAL DEVELOPMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO AS YUAN SAID, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS KIND OF GLOBAL EFFORT FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA TO TRY AND STUDY ALL OF THE VARIOUS BASINS THAT EXIST WITHIN THE CITY BOUNDARIES. TO GET INTO THIS EFFORT, WE DID A PRIORITIZATION AND A REVIEW OF ALL THE PREVIOUS DATA AND MODELING AND STUDIES THAT THE CITY HAD COMPLETED OVER THE LAST SEVERAL DECADES, BASICALLY. THIS EFFORT IS TO TRY TO PRIORITIZE THE BASINS YOU SEE HERE AS THE ONES THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY STUDYING OR PROVIDING UPDATES FOR SOME OF THESE MORE DETAILED AREAS. SO WITH THIS EFFORT, WE HAVE A VARIETY OF CONSULTING FIRMS ON BOARD TO HELP DISTRIBUTE THE WORK AND GET THINGS DONE A LITTLE MORE EFFICIENTLY. THESE ARE THE BASINS THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING STUDIED RIGHT NOW. WE'VE BEEN CALLING THESE THE GROUP ONE BASINS AND ACTUALLY PHASE ONE, WHICH IS JUST DEVELOPING THOSE EXISTING CONDITIONS, IDENTIFYING AREAS THAT COULD LEAD INTO POTENTIAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. YOU CAN SEE ALL THE VARIOUS CONSULTING FIRMS ON HERE AS WELL AS WE ARE STUDYING TWO OF THE BASINS FOR LOWER PENINSULA AND PALMETTO BEACH. WE'VE HAD SEVERAL QUARTERLY UPDATE MEETINGS FOR COUNCIL OVER THE PAST YEAR. AT THIS POINT, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THESE BASINS IN GREEN HERE, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS PHASE ONE, WHICH IS JUST CAPTURING THESE EXISTING CONDITIONS, WHERE THE FLOODING PROBLEMS, WHERE ARE THE DEFICIENCIES, AND THEN LEAD INTO PHASE TWO, WHICH IS ACTUALLY TRYING TO CONCEPTUALIZING AND GO THROUGH ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS TO PRESENT POTENTIAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. YOU CAN SEE HERE WE'RE BASICALLY ALMOST COMPLETELY THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THESE EXISTING CONDITIONS FOR THIS PHASE ONE ON THESE GROUP ONE BASINS. AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE HAVE CURRENT SCOPE OF WORK BEING NEGOTIATED WITH THE VARIOUS CONSULTING FIRMS TO BRING ON THE GROUP TWO BASINS AS WELL AS COMPLETING THE PHASE TWO FOR THE GROUP ONE BASINS. AGAIN, PHASE TWO WOULD BE TRYING TO DIVE INTO THE RESULTS OF THE MODEL, IDENTIFY THOSE AREAS THAT COULD HAVE IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS PROPOSED, CONCEPTUALIZING THOSE IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, GIVING SOME HIGH-LEVEL COST ESTIMATES AND BENEFITS FOR THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED. AT THE SAME TIME THE GROUP BASINS, GROUP TWO BASINS, DOING BOTH THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AND IDENTIFYING THOSE POTENTIAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS WILL BE COMING SHORTLY. FINANCIAL OVERVIEW FOR THE ENTIRE PROGRAM. WHEN WE DID THAT, WE CALLED IT LIKE THE GAP ANALYSIS STUDY, MAYBE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO NOW THAT LED INTO THIS. WE EVALUATED ALL THE HISTORICAL DATA AND WHAT HAS BEEN STUDIED AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE STUDIED TO GET WHERE WE ARE TODAY. THE OVERALL BUDGET FOR THAT FULL PROGRAM WAS $5 MILLION. AND AT THIS POINT, FOR THE GROUP ONE AND PHASE ONE, WE'VE ENCUMBERED AROUND 2 MILLION FOR THE GROUP ONE, PHASE TWO, DOING THE ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS BASED ON THOSE EXISTING MODEL RESULTS, COMING UP WITH THE PROPOSED PROJECTS TO PUT ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN BONDING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT TOTAL IS AROUND 2.3 MILLION. AND THEN WHEN WE THINK ABOUT COMPLETING THE PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO, SO BASICALLY THAT WOULD GET US THE DETAILED MODELS AND CONCEPTUAL PROJECTS, WE HAD THAT COMPLETION DATE FOR AUGUST 2026. AND FINISHING OUT THE REST OF THE GROUP 2 BASINS DURING PHASE ONE AND TWO, THE ADDITIONAL $2 MILLION TO HAVE US COMPLETING THIS PROGRAM BY THE END OF THIS YEAR FOR 2026. CURRENTLY, THOSE ESTIMATED BUDGET WELL WITHIN THE BUDGET THERE OF 4.5 MILLION. AN ADDITIONAL PIECE TO THIS IS NOT ONLY JUST GETTING THE STUDIES AND TRYING TO IDENTIFY THESE IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS TO POTENTIALLY HELP RELIEVE FLOODING THROUGHOUT THE CITY, ANOTHER BIG PIECE IS JUST THE FACT THAT YOU DO STUDY PARTS OF YOUR CITY OR PARTS OF YOUR WATERSHED WITHIN YOUR MUNICIPALITY. ALLOWS YOU TO SUBMIT THAT UNDERSTANDING TO THE COMMUNITY RATING SYSTEM, WHICH IS LIKE NFIP FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM, WHERE BY UPDATING THESE OR COMMITTING TO THE CRS ORGANIZATION THAT THESE MODELS ARE UP TO DATE AND REFLECTIVE OF CURRENT CONDITION OR WITHIN A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD. THE CITY CAN USE THIS TO GET POINTS FOR THE CRS PROGRAM, AND IT IS EVEN MORE THAN THAT, IT IS A PREREQUISITE TO STEP INTO A MORE FAVORABLE RATING CLASS. I THINK WE'RE CURRENTLY MAYBE A FIVE AND WE CAN GET TO A 3, AND THAT JUST RESULTS IN COST SAVINGS ON THESE NFIP POLICIES FOR THOSE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE THESE POLICIES FOR FLOOD INSURANCE PURPOSES. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER BY-PRODUCT OF THIS OVERALL PROGRAM EFFORT THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. EVERYTHING IS GOING AS EXPECTED, AND DON'T HAVE ANYTHING MAJOR TO REPORT OTHER THAN EVERYTHING IS GOING WELL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT FOR THIS $5 MILLION, WE IDEALLY WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE OUR RATING OF FIVE AND BRING IT DOWN TO THREE, THEREBY MOST LIKELY SAVING PEOPLE WAY MORE THAN $5 MILLION TOTAL FROM FLOOD INSURANCE. >> AND THAT'S YEAR AFTER YEAR. >>LYNN HURTAK: PHENOMENAL ROI. EVEN BEFORE WE START A PROJECT, THAT'S WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE TODAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY. IF I'VE CALCULATED CORRECTLY, THAT CONCLUDES OUR BUSINESS. SULING, DO YOU CONCUR? OH, THANK GOODNESS. >>LYNN HURTAK: NOW IS THE FUN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY. LET'S BE KIND. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD START -- [INAUDIBLE] >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WILL GRANT MR. SHELBY THAT REQUEST. MR. SHELBY, DO YOU HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS? >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO, I DO NOT. BUT I HAVE TO PREPARE SOMETHING FOR MR. CARLSON. BY THE TIME YOU GET TO HIM, HOPEFULLY THE PRINTER WILL BE PRINTING IT OUT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AH, AN ULTERIOR MOTIVE. JUST LIKE A LAWYER. YOU HAVE TO READ BETWEEN THE LINES. MR. MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU. I HAVE FIVE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MICROPHONE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO, I ONLY HAVE ONE. MAKE A MOTION MARCH 3 AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SPECIAL CALL EVENING SPECIAL, THE CITY COUNCIL, CITY OF TAMPA JOIN THE MAYOR IN DECLARING THE MONTH OF MARCH 2026 AS PROCUREMENT MONTH IN THE CITY OF TAMPA TO EXPAND ON THE AWARENESS OF PROCUREMENT PROFESSIONAL ROLE TO GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS IN GENERAL PUBLIC BUSINESSES CORPORATE LEADERS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. THANK YOU. SPECIAL CALL MEETING, BUDGET MEETING. >>MARTIN SHELBY: ARE YOU DOING A PRESENTATION ON A SPECIAL CALL MEETING? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES, WE ARE. IT IS A BUDGET KIND OF THING. WE'RE GIVING GRACE. MANISCALCO. COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, ANY NEW BUSINESS? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, SIR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK GOD. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. WHILE WE'RE ON THE SUBJECT OF THE SPECIAL CALL MEETING, I MOVE TO ALLOW A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO SPEAK FOR FIVE MINUTES AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SPECIAL CALL EVENING SESSION ON MARCH 3rd, 2026. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHICH REPRESENTATIVE IS THAT? >>LYNN HURTAK: I DON'T KNOW. I'M ASSUMING IT IS WHOEVER THE CHAIR IS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. >>LYNN HURTAK: I MOVE TO INSTRUCT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO RENOTICE THE COUNCIL APPOINTED SEATS FOR THE NATURAL RESOURCES ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO ADVERTISE ON THE CITY WEBSITE AND IN THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA WHICH HAS ALREADY OCCURRED. SEPARATE FROM THE MOTION, I DID WANT TO SAY THAT THE NATURAL RESOURCES ADVISORY COMMITTEE POSITIONS WILL BE OPEN UNTIL MARCH 20th. MARCH 20th. SO IF YOU KNOW ANYBODY WHO WOULD BE GREAT FOR ONE OF THOSE POSITIONS, SEND THEM TO CHECK OUT THE APPOINTMENTS. SO THAT'S MY MOTION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THIS WOULDN'T AFFECT THE MAYORAL ONES RIGHT? >>LYNN HURTAK: NO. THESE ARE OURS. THESE ARE CITY COUNCIL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE ONE MORE. THIS IS ONE THAT I AM PAINED TO HAVE TO DO. SO I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE FEBRUARY 26 WORKSHOP TO PROVIDE A REPORT ON THE CITIES THAT HAVE EXECUTED SIGN ORDINANCES, BASICALLY CM 25-13045 ON THE SIGN ORDINANCES. THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP WISHES TO -- THEY WANTED TO EXTEND IT TO MAY 28, BUT I ASKED THEM TO COME BACK ON MAY 7th, WHICH IS A REGULAR COUNCIL SESSION FOR AN UPDATE ON THIS, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO WAIT THAT MUCH LONGER. WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO -- THEY HAVE HIRED SOMEONE, A GIS MAPPING PERSON TO MAP THE AREAS THAT F.D.O.T. WILL BE EXCLUDING AND OTHER TYPES OF EXCLUSIONS. SO I THINK THAT VISUAL WILL BE VERY HELPFUL FOR US. BUT WE DON'T -- WE DO NOT HAVE A WORKSHOP IN MARCH, AND THEN THE WORKSHOP IN APRIL, UNFORTUNATELY MS. JOHNSON VELEZ WILL BE OUT OF TOWN, AND THIS IS HER AREA. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE TWO DIGITAL SIGN ITEMS. >>LYNN HURTAK: THE OTHER ONE IS MR. CARLSON'S. I WANTED TO ASK IF HE WOULD BE WILLING TO MOVE HIS AS WELL TO MAY 7 OR IF HE WANTS TO DO HIS SEPARATELY. YOURS, MR. CARLSON, WAS EMPLOYEE IS A WRITTEN REPORT -- WAS SIMPLY A WRITTEN REPORT OF A LIST OF CURRENTLY APPROVED DIGITAL SIGNS ALLOWED DOWNTOWN. COPIES OF THE CONTRACT OR APPROVAL DOCUMENTS AND DESCRIPTION OF WHO AND HOW THEY WERE SIGNED. THAT COULD PROBABLY STAY SINCE IT'S NEXT WEEK. LIKE I SAID, I REALLY HATE TO MOVE THIS AND NOT SOMETHING I REALLY WANT TO DO, BUT BECAUSE OF -- THE OTHER THING I COULD DO IS IF PEOPLE WANT IT TO BE MOVED SOONER, WE CAN MOVE IT TO AN APRIL DATE. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANTED TO HEAR FROM. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: RESTATE THE MOTION. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANTED TO HEAR FROM COUNCIL, IS MAY TOO LATE? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SUSAN BEING GONE I THINK IS THE PROBLEM. >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH, BUT SHE'S ONLY GONE FOR THAT PARTICULAR APRIL DATE. WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO MOVE IT SOONER IN APRIL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT ABOUT THE SPECIAL CALL MEETING, THE REGULAR MEETING? >>LYNN HURTAK: OH, I LOVE THAT. APRIL 7. YEAH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'LL SECOND THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: I MOTION TO MOVE IT TO APRIL 7. I'LL MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S OKAY WITH MS. JOHNSON VELEZ AND THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP, BUT I THINK THAT IS A GREAT CALL. SO THANK YOU. I WILL -- I MOTION TO MOVE CM 25-13045 TO APRIL 7. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG ALREADY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, NEW BUSINESS. >>NAYA YOUNG: I'LL MAKE THIS VERY QUICK. AS I WAS SAYING EARLIER, I WANT TO BE SURE THAT FOR ITEM 60 THAT IT STAYS ON THE AGENDA. MARTY, YOU'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO HELP ME. I PUT MY THOUGHTS DOWN. I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE IN-PERSON STAFF REPORT FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT ON WHAT THEY CAN DO TO ADDRESS THE VIOLATIONS, VIOLATIONS REGARDING PARKING LOTS, RODENTS, BAD OR EXPIRED FOOD ITEMS OR HARMFUL PARAPHERNALIA IN REGARDS TO SEX OR DRUGS IN CORNER STORES. MAYBE THAT'S ONE MOTION. STORES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: STORES. >>NAYA YOUNG: YES, I'LL PUT STORES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A GEOGRAPHIC AREA OR CITYWIDE? >>NAYA YOUNG: CITYWIDE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: A REPORT IN GENERAL. >>NAYA YOUNG: I KNOW COUNCILMAN MIRANDA WAS TALKING ABOUT CITYWIDE AS WELL, SO THAT'S FINE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: LET'S TAKE THAT MOTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG. A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. WHAT IS THE DATE? APRIL 7. >>NAYA YOUNG: I THINK THAT'S FINE. YEAH, APRIL 7 IS FINE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. NEXT. >>NAYA YOUNG: CAN I DO ALL THAT SAME LANGUAGE BUT JUST TAKE OUT CODE ENFORCEMENT AND PUT TPD? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE A STAFF REPORT FROM TPD ON WHAT THEY CAN DO TO ADDRESS THE VIOLATIONS IN TERMS OF PARKING LOTS, RODENTS, BAD EXPIRED FOOD ITEMS AND HARMFUL PARAPHERNALIA RELATING TO SEX AND DRUGS IN STORES -- I FORGOT TO ADD IN WHAT COMMUNITY SHOULD DO TO REPORT BAD ACTORS, IN BOTH, WHAT COMMUNITY SHOULD DO TO REPORT BAD ACTORS, WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO REPORT IT. I WANT TO DO THAT FOR THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ONE AND TPD. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: JUST A SCRIVENER'S ON THE FIRST ONE. MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? >>LYNN HURTAK: IS THAT ALSO FOR APRIL 7? >>NAYA YOUNG: YES. THERE'S NOTHING THERE. THAT'S FINE. YES, APRIL 7. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT WAS THE UNANIMOUS VOTE. VERY GOOD. >>NAYA YOUNG: THAT'S FOR THAT ONE. MAKE SURE WE COME BACK WITH THAT. AND THEN IN LIGHT OF SOME OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WE RECEIVED TODAY REGARDING THE EDC AND IN OPENS OF KEEPING TRANSPARENCY WITH THE COMMUNITY, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE EDC COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH A REPORT ON HOW THEY ARE ADVERTISING THE SHELTERED MARKETS TO SMALL MINORITY AND/OR WOMEN OWNED BUSINESSES AND PROVIDE A REPORT ON WHAT BUSINESSES ARE COMING TO TAMPA AND THE POSSIBILITIES OF INDUSTRIAL BUSINESSES. INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS. PRETTY MUCH WHAT WAS HEARD IN PUBLIC COMMENT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG. A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. >>MARTIN SHELBY: A QUESTION. IS THAT THEN -- BECAUSE THE EDC IS NOT A FUNCTION OF THE CITY. IS THAT A REQUEST TO INVITE? >>NAYA YOUNG: YES. A REQUEST TO INVITE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION OR EDC TO COME -- AND STAFF -- TO COME TO COUNCIL. >>MARTIN SHELBY: NORMALLY IT IS THE MAKER OF THE MOTION'S DISTRICT OFFICE WHO EXTENDS THE INVITATION. >>NAYA YOUNG: I CAN DO THAT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT. >>BILL CARLSON: LIMIT TO FIVE OR TEN MINUTES? >>NAYA YOUNG: FIVE EACH. FIVE MINUTES EACH. APRIL 7. JUST SO WE CAN -- >>THE CLERK: [INAUDIBLE] >>NAYA YOUNG: YES, THAT'S FINE. SO WE CAN ADDRESS WHAT WAS SPOKE ABOUT TODAY. >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT WHEN YOU ARE DONE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COMMENT BEFORE WE VOTE? >>BILL CARLSON: QUICK COMMENT, MY CONCERN ABOUT THE EDC, BESIDES THE FACT THAT THEY LIKE TO TRASH TALK PEOPLE IS THAT IF YOU GO AND LOOK AT THE RESULTS THEY CLAIM, THEY CAN'T PROVE THEY DID IT. SIX YEARS AGO WE PASSED AN ORDINANCE THAT SAID IF THE CITY GAVE A SUBSIDY TO A COMPANY THAT THEY HAD TO GET THE CEO TO SIGN A SWORN AFFIDAVIT ONCE A YEAR TO SAY WHETHER OR NOT THEY HIT THE GOALS. MY AIDE AT THE TIME CALLED ALL THE COMPANIES AND NONE OF THEM HAD REACHED THE GOALS OR EVEN COME CLOSE. SINCE THEN, THEY HAVEN'T ASKED FOR SUBSIDIES BECAUSE THEY CAN'T HIT THEIR GOALS. THEY CAN RATTLE OFF ALL THESE COMPANIES, BUT THE QUESTION IS, DID ANY OF THEM DO ANYTHING THAT THEY SAID? THAT'S WHY -- AND JUST LIKE SOMEBODY SAID, WE'RE PUTTING NACP THROUGH ALL KINDS OF HOOPS, AND FOR A LOT LESS MONEY THAN WE ARE WITH THE EDC WHEN THAT'S ARGUABLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS WE COULD BE DOING AS A CITY. THERE ARE A LOT OF POLITICS ATTACHED TO IT, BUT THE REALITY IS THERE'S NOT VERIFIABLE RESULTS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: VERY GOOD. WE HAVE A MOTION THERE COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. >>NAYA YOUNG: LAST TWO THINGS, JUST FOR THE PUBLIC, WE HAD THE UNVEILING OF THE BENCH AND THE SIGN HONORING MS. HATTIE WRIGHT WHICH IS AT MacFARLANE PARK. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO SEE IT, IT IS A WONDERFUL DISPLAY AT A BEAUTIFUL PARK. FOR YOUR BLACK HISTORY FACT, BLACK GIRLS GOVERN, THE FOUNDER IS A YOUNG LADY BY THE NAME OF HARLEY WILLIAMS WHO IS A DISTRICT 5 TAMPA NATIVE WHO GRADUATED FROM BLAKE HIGH SCHOOL AND IS CURRENTLY ATTENDING HARVARD UNIVERSITY STUDYING GOVERNMENT. SHE IS ATTENDING HARVARD UNIVERSITY. VERY BRIGHT YOUNG LADY. THE YOUNG LADIES THAT WERE PART OF HER NONPROFIT THAT SHE STARTED CALLED BLACK GIRLS GOVERN, THEY WERE ACTUALLY IN TALLAHASSEE ADVOCATING FOR THE CROWN ACT WHICH IS CREATING A RESPECTFUL AND OPEN WORLD FOR NATURAL HAIR. SO I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT MS. HARLEY WILLIAMS. I AM DONE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: THOSE GUYS YOU HAD THIS MORNING WERE FANTASTIC, BY THE WAY. I DON'T DO MOTIONS VERY OFTEN. I HAVE SEVERAL. I APOLOGIZE. ONE IS TO APPROVE MY FORM -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION TO ANTICIPATE RECUSAL FORM. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. >>BILL CARLSON: NEXT CULBREATH BAYOU, MOTION TO ASK STAFF TO LOOK AT THE FEASIBILITY OF EXCLUDING CULBREATH BUY EWE FROM 26--- I DIDN'T PUT A DATE ON IT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW FAST THEY CAN COME BACK. >>MARTIN SHELBY: WRITTEN REPORT? >>LYNN HURTAK: SAY BY SECOND READING. IF THEY CAN'T MAKE IT -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: SECOND READING IS. >>LYNN HURTAK: MARCH 26. >>BILL CARLSON: GOT IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. >>BILL CARLSON: SEPARATE ITEM. BACK TO THE ISSUE OF THE SCHOOL ZONES, MOTION TO ASK MOBILITY TO REPORT BACK ON JUNE 4 AS TO THE POSSIBILITY OF ADDING LARGER SCHOOL ZONE SIGNS AND FLASHING LIGHTS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. >>BILL CARLSON: TO THE ITEM ABOUT THE INTERDEPARTMENTAL ACCOUNTING, WE TALKED ABOUT THE TREE ONE TODAY, BUT IF A DEPARTMENT WANTS TO USE STORMWATER EMPLOYEES, THEY SHOULD JUST HAVE AN AGREEMENT AND PAY THEM BACK. IT SHOULD BE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY. SAME THING AS IF AN OUTSIDE GROUP HIRES TPD, THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. IF WATER NEEDS TPD, THERE SHOULD BE A CONTRACT. TPD CAN'T JUST CHARGE WHATEVER THEY WANT -- MOTION TO ASK CITY STAFF TO REPORT ON JUNE 4 AS TO CREATING A RULE OR ORDINANCE THAT WOULD REQUIRE CITY DEPARTMENTS TO CREATE AN INTERDEPARTMENT AGREEMENT APPROVED BY COUNCIL IN ADVANCE OF TRANSFERRING MONEY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON. SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. DISCUSSION? >>BILL CARLSON: I TALKED TO CHIEF OF STAFF ABOUT IT. CHIEF OF STAFF AND I TALKED ABOUT IT. HE AND I NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT MORE. TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT MEANT AND WHEN APPLY. JUNE 4 WOULD GIVE US TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT MORE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. >>BILL CARLSON: TO THAT POINT ALSO PARADES. I THINK WE OUGHT TO SET PARADES LIKE AN ENTERPRISE FUND OR AT LEAST A SEPARATE FUND. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NOT ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT PARADES UNLESS YOU START PARTICIPATING IN THEM. [ LAUGHTER ] >>BILL CARLSON: PARADES OR EVENTS. LET ME READ THIS TO MAKE IT FAST. MOTION TO REQUEST -- HERE IS THE THING. WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH PARADES OR EVENTS COST RIGHT NOW. WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME DECIDING HOW MUCH WE'LL GIVE NONPROFITS. BUT THE SERVICES WE GIVE TO AN EVENT ARE IN-KIND SERVICES. SO I THINK WE JUST NEED AN ACCOUNTING OF IT. SET UP A BUDGET AND SAID WE'LL SPEND A MILLION DOLLARS OR TWO MILLION DOLLARS, WHATEVER IT IS ON PARADES, THEN TPD COULD CHARGE BACK THAT FUND SO THEY WOULD GET REIMBURSED. STORMWATER COULD CHARGE BACK THAT FUND SO THEY CAN GET REIMBURSED. >>LYNN HURTAK: ACTUALLY, I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS VERY THING. MS. KOPESKY COULD PROBABLY TALK ABOUT THIS, TOO. WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET THE AMOUNTS FOR EACH PARADE EXCEPT FOR GASPARILLA AND ONE OTHER ONE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NIGHT PARADE. >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, NO. GASPARILLA IS THE ONE. I KEEP GETTING THE RUNAROUND. NO ONE WILL ANSWER ME. THERE'S NO WAY WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE SPENDING ON GASPARILLA. BUT THEY DO NOT WANT US TO KNOW FOR WHATEVER REASON. MS. KOPESKY, COULD YOU SEND TO EVERYONE THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE COMPILED ABOUT THE COST OF THE OTHER PARADES? >>BILL CARLSON: THE OTHER THING, FOLKS THAT WENT TO THE MAYOR'S TENT, SHOULD BE THE CITY'S TENT, NOT JUST THE MAYOR'S TENT. THEY ARE TAKING PICTURES OF LIKE CASTOR'S KREWE, BEADS AND ALL THAT STUFF. THERE ARE PERKS TO BEING MAYOR. I'M NOT DISCOUNTING THAT. BUT FROM A PUBLIC POINT OF VIEW, THE PUBLIC IS FRUSTRATED AT THE COMMERCIALIZATION OF IT. EVEN IF THE CITY IS GETTING THAT FOR FREE OR WHATEVER, I THINK IT SHOULD BE MORE FOCUSED ON THE PUBLIC. CAN I READ THIS? I DON'T THINK IT CONFLICTS. YOU HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK. SO THIS WOULD MAKE THIS EASIER. MOTION TO REQUEST THAT THE ADMINISTRATION REPORT ON JUNE 4 AS TO CREATING A QUOTE, UNQUOTE, EVENT, SLASH, PARADE BUDGET THAT WOULD BE APPROVED IN ADVANCE BY COUNCIL. THIS WOULD INCLUDE ALL PAID AND IN-KIND SERVICES, DEPARTMENTS SUCH AS STORMWATER AND TPD WOULD BE PAID BY THIS FUND OR REIMBURSED BY THIS FUND. THE PURPOSE IS TO GIVE THE PUBLIC TRANSPARENCY INTO THE COST OF EVENTS AND FAIRLY COMPENSATE DEPARTMENTS. JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR, I'M NOT AGAINST EVENTS OR PARADES. THE PUBLIC JUST WANTS TRANSPARENCY INTO WHAT IT COSTS. IF GASPARILLA COSTS $2 MILLION, AT LEAST WE KNOW WHAT IT IS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M NOT AGAINST THAT. LET ME SAY THIS. SOMETIMES PEOPLE FORGET WHAT THEY WERE FOR. SOMETIMES THE PEOPLE THAT GO THERE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE IN THEIR LIFE BUT TO SEE AN ACTIVITY LIKE THAT THAT REALLY MEANS SOMETHING TO A NEIGHBORHOOD AND LITTLE KIDS GROWING UP. THE CHILDREN'S PARADE IS ONE OF THEM. GASPARILLA IS ANOTHER ONE. NIGHT PARADE IS ANOTHER ONE. WE'RE KNOWN FOR THAT. I AGREE WITH YOU THAT YOU SHOULD KNOW WHAT IT IS. LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING, THAT IS A BENEFIT THAT THIS CITY HAS WORLDWIDE, NOT ONLY IN TAMPA, GASPARILLA AND THE OTHER PARADES ARE KNOWN WORLDWIDE, NOT ONLY IN TAMPA. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT'S A COMPLICATED ISSUE BECAUSE SO MUCH GOES IN. ALL HANDS ON DECK KIND OF THING. I'M SURE THE COST OF EVEN TRYING TO CALCULATE THIS IS PROBABLY CRAZY. >>BILL CARLSON: IF THEY POLL STORMWATER, WATER PEOPLE, THOSE ARE -- THE PUBLIC IS GETTING CHARGED FEES FOR THAT. SO IT'S NOT FAIR TO JUST LET THEM HAVE IT. INSTEAD WHAT WE SET UP IS A CLEAN EVENT BUDGET AND THOSE DEPARTMENTS GET REIMBURSED. TAMPA FIRE RESCUE, IF THEY GOT REIMBURSED OR TPD, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO HIRE MORE POLICE OFFICERS OR MORE FIREFIGHTERS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT'S NOT LIKE -- I WOULD GET IT IF IT WAS OVERTIME. INSTEAD, IT IS LIKE A SPECIAL DUTY. INSTEAD OF DOING THEIR NORMAL WORK THAT DAY, THEY ARE DOING THIS INSTEAD. I WOULD CONCUR IF IT WAS AN OVER-TIME BUDGET ABOVE AND BEYOND THE NORMAL. LET'S SAY PERSON X, ADMINISTRATIVE PERSON X ENDS UP SPENDING 60 HOURS A YEAR ON GASPARILLA RELATED FUNCTIONS, PROCESSING PAPERWORK OR WHATEVER THEY HAVE TO DO. AS LONG AS IT'S NOT OVERTIME, JUST ANOTHER ASSIGNED DUTY FOR THE GOALS OF THE CITY, IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN REALLY EXTRAPOLATE OUT AND SHOULD WE? >>LYNN HURTAK: GETTING THE INFORMATION IS THE IMPORTANT PART. NOT ONLY THAT, WE HAVE A BUDGET. LIKE, THE CITY HAS TO HAVE -- THEY HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR THINGS. THAT'S HOW BUDGETS WORK. THERE'S NO HARM IN ASKING FOR IT. WHAT WE DO WITH THE INFORMATION -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I GET IT. LET'S SAY LIKE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL. I'M AN AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLER, JOB TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B. LET'S SAY I GET CALLED FOR GREAT AMERICAN TEACH-IN. THEY DON'T EXTRAPOLATE MY SALARY AND SAY THAT'S WHAT IT COSTS THE FAA. IT'S ANOTHER ASSIGNED DUTY. SOMETHING I HAD TO DO. WE DO THAT ALL THE TIME. WE GET ASSIGNED OTHER THINGS TO DO. I WOULD GET IT IF IT IS ABOVE AND BEYOND THE NORMAL OR IF HIRING SPECIAL STAFF. I THINK I WOULD APPRECIATE THE BREAKOUT, SOMEBODY HIRED SPECIFICALLY TO DO THIS OR PAID OVERTIME. I THINK THE DECISION POINT IS, ARE THESE EVENTS ALIGNED WITH THE GOALS AND THE VALUES OF THE CITY OF TAMPA? DO WE HAVE A VALUE TO HAVE A SANTA'S PARADE? VALUE TO HAVE A CHILDREN'S PARADE? >>BILL CARLSON: THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO SET A VALUE ON IT. INSTEAD OF BACK CHANNELING AND GIVING PIECES OF SERVICES, LIKE STORMWATER, INSTEAD OF HAVING AN ARGUMENT ABOUT WHY WE'RE NOT FIXING STORMWATER SYSTEMS, WE JUST REIMBURSE THEM FROM -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK WE'VE ASKED AND FIXED THAT PROBLEM. NOT DOING THAT ANYMORE. >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT THEY ARE STILL DOING IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BUT ACCOUNTING FOR IT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE PLAYGROUND, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, HOW MUCH DOES IT COST THE LITTLE LEAGUES? HOW MUCH PUBLIC FUNDS SPEND ON THEM? I DON'T KNOW. WE HAVE A BUDGET IN THAT DEPARTMENT. THE NEXT THING IS, THE PUBLIC OUGHT TO KNOW HOW MUCH IT COSTS FOR SOMEBODY NOT TO PAY AD VALOREM TAX. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. THAT SHOULD BE KNOWN. I'M NOT AFRAID. I WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY WE LOST, ANY SPORT IN TAMPA BECAUSE THEY DON'T PAY AD VALOREM TAX. COME ON, SAY YES OR NO. I MADE A MOTION. >>LYNN HURTAK: HE HAD A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: SO THE THING IS, WE DO HAVE THAT INFORMATION FOR ALMOST EVERY PARADE, BUT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PARADES WE'RE STILL LOOKING FOR THE INFORMATION FOR. IF WE CAN HAVE THE INFORMATION FOR THE SANTA PARADE AND THE ST. PATRICK'S PARADE, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE IT FOR GASPARILLA. WE JUST WANT THE INFORMATION. THAT'S ALL I WANT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NOT TO COMPLICATE IT, I WOULD BE SURPRISED -- >>BILL CARLSON: THIS MOTION IS ONLY TO BRING FOR DISCUSSION. THIS IS FOR DISCUSSION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY, OKAY. MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON. I BELIEVE SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. OPPOSED? NAY. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO SECOND TO MY MOTION. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CLENDENIN VOTING NO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FAILED TO GET A SECOND. DO YOU WANT TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH AD VALOREM TAX LOST IN THE ENTITIES WE SUPPORT IN SPORTS. NOT THAT I'M AGAINST SPORTS, I WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE LOST IN AD VALOREM. FROM THE INCEPTION OF THE ACTIVITY THAT STARTED, SOME 30 YEARS AGO, SOME 20 YEARS AGO, SOME TEN YEARS AGO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOW MUCH MONEY WOULD IT COST TO COLLECT THE IN WAS? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: JUST CALL THE GENTLEMAN OVER HERE THAT RUNS, THE TAX ASSESSOR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEY DON'T VALUE THE PROPERTY. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THEY KNOW THE VALUE OF IT. THEY KNOW THE VALUE, BELIEVE ME. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE A MOTION BUT I DON'T HEAR A SECOND. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: OKAY. I JUST WANT TO PUT IT ON THE RECORD. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I BELIEVE THAT CONCLUDES -- MORE? >>BILL CARLSON: HIT A COUPLE MORE FAST. SO WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE STORE ISSUE, I WALKED OUTSIDE BEFORE YOU ALL DID AND THE WHOLE GROUP SURROUNDED ME AND THEY WANTED ME TO MAKE THE MOTION. IT'S PARALLEL TO WHAT YOU MADE EARLIER. I'M MAKING IT ON BEHALF. MOTION TO ASK THE MAYOR TO INTERVENE WITH THE RETAILERS OF CONCERN IN EAST TAMPA AND TO BRING IN CODE ENFORCEMENT AND TPD. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT'S A -- >>BILL CARLSON: THIS IS ASKING THE MAYOR TO DO IT. A REQUEST. IT IS A MOTION TO ASK THE MAYOR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHO IS GOING TO ASK? YOUR OFFICE? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK THEY ARE LISTENING. ♪ I ALWAYS FEEL LIKE SOMEBODY IS WATCHING ME ♪ WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. >>BILL CARLSON: ANOTHER ONE -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MY GOODNESS, YOU HAVE BEEN BUSY. >>BILL CARLSON: A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WE PASSED A RULE THAT SAID THAT ALL THE DOCUMENTS, AND WE HAD A PRIOR RULE THAT HAD LOOPHOLES. WE PASSED A NEW RULE THAT SAID ALL DOCUMENTS HAVE TO BE IN BY 5 P.M. ON FRIDAY. THEN WHAT THE STAFF STARTED DOING IS WE'LL GIVE A VERBAL REPORT. BUT WHEN THEY GIVE THE VERBAL REPORT, THEY HAVE A PowerPoint AND THEY HAVE HANDOUTS. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO SET A RULE PROHIBITING CITY STAFF FROM PRESENTING DOCUMENTS OR PRESENTATIONS THAT ARE NOT POSTED IN OnBase BY THE PREVIOUS FRIDAY AT 5 P.M. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: MY ONLY THING WITH THAT IS THAT OFTENTIMES I WILL TALK TO STAFF THAT WEEK AND SAY, HEY, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU WOULD ADD THIS OR IF YOU WOULD BRING A VISUAL. THEY SAY, OKAY, AND THAT'S ON ME FOR HAVING DONE THAT. >>BILL CARLSON: I'VE DONE THAT, TOO, AND THEY ADD THE ADDITIONAL ONE UP AS AN EXTRA ITEM OR THEY MODIFY IT. >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING, IF I TELL THEM, HEY, YOU SHOULD WORK ON THIS AFTER FRIDAY, THEY MAY NOT GET IT INTO OnBase. >>BILL CARLSON: THE PROBLEM I'M RESPONDING TO IS THE PUBLIC, EVEN TODAY WE WERE GETTING E-MAILS, THE PUBLIC WANTS TO SEE THE DOCUMENTS IN ADVANCE SO THEY CAN PREPARE TO RESPOND TO THEM. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT IS A LITTLE RESTRICTIVE, I THINK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I'LL SECOND JUST TO HEAR WHAT STAFF HAS TO SAY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND. >>BILL CARLSON: I JUST SAID TO SET A RULE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? >>MARTIN SHELBY: I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE FINALIZED BECAUSE THAT'S TOO AMORPHOUS. PUT SOMETHING IN THE RULES TO AMEND THE RULES OF PROCEDURE AT THIS POINT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE PREPARED TO DO THAT. >>BILL CARLSON: RETURN ON JUNE 4. >>LYNN HURTAK: HOW ABOUT CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSES IT AT ANOTHER MEETING BECAUSE ALREADY 6:45. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: APRIL 7. >>BILL CARLSON: APRIL 7. >>MARTIN SHELBY: FOR COUNCIL DISCUSSION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE'LL FILL THAT BABY UP. [ LAUGHTER ] >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU CAN INVITE STAFF TO BE PRESENT TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT DISCUSSION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'LL ACTUALLY VOTE YES ON THAT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND MAYBE EVEN ASK STAFF IF THEY WANT TO BE PRESENT TO HELP DISCUSS THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES. CAN YOU ADD ASK STAFF TO BE PRESENT TO DISCUSS THAT? >>MARTIN SHELBY: MAY BE LOGISTICS ISSUES INVOLVED. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON. A SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. >>BILL CARLSON: ONE LAST ONE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OH, GOOD LORD. >>BILL CARLSON: I HARDLY GIVE ANY. LET ME READ IT REAL FAST. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HE IS CHANNELING VIERA. >>MARTIN SHELBY: HE'S FILLING UP THAT APRIL 7 MEETING. >>BILL CARLSON: EVENTS OF THE LAST WEEK OR TWO HAVE BROUGHT -- WITHOUT GOING THROUGH ALL THE EVENTS -- HAVE BROUGHT UP QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THE ROLE IS OF CITY COUNCIL IN HR. THE ONLY -- A YEAR AGO OR SO WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHISTLE-BLOWERS AND FINDING A BETTER WHISTLE-BLOWER SYSTEM. TECHNICALLY, ALL WE CAN DO IS ASK AND THAT'S ALL WITH THE ADMINISTRATION. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADD A QUESTION FOR THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION. AND THE QUESTION IS, QUOTE, SHOULD CITY COUNCIL SERVE A ROLE REGARDING DISPUTES BETWEEN THE MAYOR AND CITY STAFF? FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD, THE VOICE MAILS I'VE GOTTEN, I THINK WE ALL GET CALLS -- I GET CALLS FROM STAFF CRYING ABOUT WHATEVER THEIR SITUATION IS. AND BASED ON ANDREA'S ADVICE, ALL I CAN SAY IS YOU NEED TO HIRE A LAWYER. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT WOULD BE AN EXPANSION ON THE ONE QUESTION ABOUT EXPANDING THE INVESTIGATION POWER. >>BILL CARLSON: THIS IS A DIFFERENT THING. HOW DO WE DEAL WITH -- I CAN GO THROUGH ALL THE EXAMPLES. JUST A QUESTION OF THEM TO TRY TO ANSWER. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN ADD TO THAT? COUNCILWOMAN MONTH LEONE SPEARHEADED HAD YEARS AGO. WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT HAS A WHISTLE-BLOWER. I DON'T KNOW IF CITY COUNCIL SCRUTINIZED IT AND APPLIED ITS EFFECTIVENESS TO SEE WHETHER IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AND CAN BE LOOKED AT AND MADE MORE EFFECTIVE. THAT'S FOR ANOTHER DISCUSSION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH FORWARDING THEM ANOTHER QUESTION FOR THEM TO LOOK AT. I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH THIS ONE. >>BILL CARLSON: THE MAYOR APPARENTLY IS MEETING WITH EACH OF THE MEMBERS INDIVIDUALLY AND NOT ASKING THEM FOR ANYTHING, BUT JUST MEETING WITH THEM, WHICH I THINK IS FINE, AS I SAID BEFORE. BUT I THINK ON THAT BASIS, ALSO IT IS FINE FOR US TO SEND ANOTHER QUESTION. PROBABLY THEY WILL SAY NO, BUT WHEN THE EMPLOYEES CALL, WE CAN SAY YOU NEED TO TALK TO A LAWYER. BY THE WAY, WE ASKED THIS QUESTION AND CHARTER REVIEW SAID NO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON. SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. >> [INAUDIBLE] >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SAM, WHEN YOU REVIEW THIS TAPE, MAKE SURE IT GETS TO THEM. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY. CHAIR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THOROUGHLY ENJOY ASHLEY MORROW'S BLACK HISTORY PRESENTATIONS. BUT I ALWAYS FEEL BAD BECAUSE SHE COMES AND DOES ALL THAT TIME, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO GIVE A LITTLE MORE WEIGHT. SHE'S ALWAYS GOOD ABOUT THE THREE-MINUTE THING. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD HER AS A RECURRING ITEM UNDER OUR PRESENTATIONS COMMENDATIONS PRESENTATIONS, FOR A BLACK HISTORY PRESENTATION FROM ASHLEY MORROW FOR THREE MINUTES SO SHE'S NOT SITTING HERE ALL DAY TO DO THAT. SHE COMES EVERY WEEK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK THAT'S FINE. MY ONLY CONCERN ABOUT THAT IS WE ONLY HAVE THREE SPOTS FOR COMMENDATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEN THIS WOULD BE WAIVE THE RULES -- >>LYNN HURTAK: TO ADD THE FOURTH. >>MARTIN SHELBY: ONLY IN SESSION YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT. IT IS YOUR RULES. >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU'RE LOOKING TO CHANGE THE RULE. YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE RULE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET'S NOT CALL IT COMMENDATION PRESENTATION. LET'S JUST SAY AFTER COMMENDATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS, WE'LL ADD A SPOT AFTER COMMENDATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS TO ALLOW ASHLEY MORROW TO PRESENT THREE MINUTES FOR BLACK HISTORY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: COULD WE DISCUSS THIS OFF-LINE AND BRING IT BACK AT THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING? GOOD IDEA BUT FIGURE OUT HOW BEST TO DO THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHY ISN'T IT A GOOD IDEA? >>MARTIN SHELBY: BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING AN UPDATE -- OR YOU'RE GOING TO BE ASKED TO UPDATE THE RULES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I GET IT. >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT ABOUT DOING IT STARTING NEXT THURSDAY BECAUSE IT IS BLACK HISTORY MONTH. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU COULD PUT IT ON FOR PRESENTATION AND PUT HER UP -- FULL OF PRESENTATIONS FOR NEXT WEEK? >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, WE HAVE WORKSHOPS. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THERE ARE. MY EYES POPPED OUT. THE 26th, BY THE WAY, COUNCIL, YOUR RULES STATE THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE AS MANY ITEMS AS YOU WANT TO GET OUT BY 1:00. YOU HAVE NINE ITEMS. >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST MOVED ONE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S EIGHT ITEMS BY 1:00. >>LYNN HURTAK: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON'S IS A WRITTEN REPORT. SO THAT'S TWO DOWN. >>MARTIN SHELBY: SEVEN ITEMS BY 1:00. >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M SAYING, THOUGH, WE CUT TWO DOWN. WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO HOLD ON TO THAT? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I RESCIND THE MOTION AND HOLD ON UNTIL MR. SHELBY AND I HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ABOUT IT. REFERENCE THESE AGENDAS AND ALL THESE THINGS. WE'RE GOING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO KEEP THESE THINGS FROM HAPPENING AGAIN BECAUSE THIS IS CRAZY, UNLESS YOU WANT TO GO TO MIDNIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE. MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: CAN'T HELP BUT ADD THAT IF THIS WERE A NIGHT MEETING NIGHT, YOU WOULD BE AN HOUR AND 50 MINUTES INTO YOUR NIGHT MEETING. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S WHY WE DON'T DO NIGHT MEETINGS ON REGULAR MEETINGS. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING, YOU MAY HAVE TO ADD TO THEM. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BEFORE WE GET TO RECEIVE AND FILE, I WANT TO ASK YOU GUYS ON STAFF REPORTS IF, ONE, DO YOU NEED THE INFORMATION? THINK ABOUT IT BECAUSE OF THIS WORKLOAD. TWO, IF YOU NEED THE INFORMATION, CAN IT BE WRITTEN? IF IT CAN BE WRITTEN, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE MAKE IT A WRITTEN REPORT BECAUSE THE STAFF REPORTS ARE TAKING WAY TOO MUCH TIME. I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WHEN WE ALLOW FOR COMMENDATION, WE LIMIT THE COMMENDATIONS TO HOW MANY MINUTES, SULING? FIVE MINUTES. SO WE HAVE TO REALLY GET THAT DOWN. THAT'S PART OF WHAT ATE UP OUR TIME THIS MORNING. WE'LL WORK ON SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS AS WE MOVE FORWARD. MR. SHELBY, THOUGHTS? >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST ALSO THERE ARE COUNCIL'S OWN RULES AND THEY ARE RELATIVELY RECENT, BUT I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THEM TOO LONG, IF IT IS A NON-CITY BUSINESS COMMENDATION IT REQUIRES A MEMO IN ADVANCE FROM THE COUNCIL MEMBER TO THE COUNCIL AS TO WHO IT IS AND WHY THEY NEED IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I DON'T REMEMBER. WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE AND WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. WE ARE ADJOURNED. [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]