This transcript appears to be from a Planning Commission or City Council meeting for the City of Cannon Falls. Based on the context provided and phonetic similarities in the transcription (e.g., "Neil" for "Bill," "Zach" for "Isaac," and "Jay/Hemma" for "Jeppesen"), here are the identified speakers. **[0:28] Brian Douglas (Chair):** e **[0:55] Brian Douglas (Chair):** second mov by Johnson second by Hammer to approve the agenda any further discussion all in favor I can I uh we have the uh approval of the minutes for September 11th **[1:15] Ryan Jeppesen:** I move to uh approve the minutes from September 11th **[1:22] Diane Johnson:** it's your turn I'll second **[1:25] Ryan Jeppesen:** I must assume since I wasn't here um you guys are **[1:27] Diane Johnson:** well I can I'll second okay okay **[1:28] Brian Douglas (Chair):** move by Hemma second by Johnson to approve the minutes from September 11th any further discussion all in favor I oppose motion carries public input uh there's nobody here for public input so we'll dispense with that discussion number seven ordinance 2023-24 city code 151 112 relating to Will septic utilities we kind of pushed this back from our last meeting to get uh more information what uh Zach what uh was changed relating to that **[2:28] Isaac Naatz:** yeah so good evening at the last meeting we brought forth an amendment to city code 151 1112 on behalf of endis and the timberidge development um if you recall this change of city code would allow well and septic to serve residential to Lots um for our discussion we amended the ordinance or excuse me the amended ordinance was tightened up just a little bit um in order to prevent any future complications with houses failing to connect to the city's public system um as well as giving Planning Commission and Council um just more discretion when determining the implementation of new individual Wells um so before you is the revised um ordinance if you can look it over if you have any questions or comments **[3:15] Ryan Jeppesen:** Zack I do have a question on item number 10 I guess it goes it's kind of both side both ordinances for the water for the well and the septic but um so good job making the additions in here I only felt that maybe just to me but there's a still a big area of what could be ambiguity on on um this is what's feasible or for a land owner to pay to get connected so what's close so when the sewer water are available to serve a lot they shall be connected um what what is there some definition of what's available is it within you know it's right up to their lot or hey it's 200 yards away and they got to pay 20 grand to get it a little bit further to their place I'm just that's the money part I'm wondering about **[4:01] Isaac Naatz:** yep um I don't I I wasn't sure if Neil maybe do you want to take this **[4:06] Bill Angerman:** if we want to you know we struggled with that also yeah and when we were talking with Shelly our attorney we kind of left it vague on purpose because being available could be cross the street or it could be two blocks down or in for this uh this request it's a half a mile and it's got to go through Ravines and up hills and and across County Roads and that's not feasible but maybe going up a hill and around a corner is in the future commission's eyes and that's why we left it **[5:15] Ryan Jeppesen:** yeah I would under understand that I was just wondering what kind of discussion you had on the minute you put something in there to put some number or or distance there's going to be always some exception to that I think that's why **[5:27] Bill Angerman:** different cost so the distance may not be the thing because it's going uphill versus flat area and the distance is going to be cost is going to be way different **[5:35] Ryan Jeppesen:** okay so theoretically um moving forward if we approve this um we have the I like to say power we have the option discretion discretion of approving the next applicant **[5:54] Isaac Naatz:** yes not based on but there's anything about this based on but there's also all these other criteria also okay right all this it's all new but this isn't a a one-time variant **[6:08] Ryan Jeppesen:** so just make sure I'm understanding this is an ordinance so it mean somebody adheres to these rules here the one that's going to be the uh decision for the future planning commissions or maybe even you um will be is it reasonable yeah yeah reasonable is has different definitions by different parties does whatever right yeah right but at least this gets it to the table and makes it feasible and then we can just and you know there the head protection plan prohibits them so they can't be in the Wellhead protection plan area the dsmo and uh so it there is some criteria in there that says hey uh no right **[6:57] Ryan Jeppesen:** that's the only question I had and I I'm comfortable with that I just wanted to ask about you what your thoughts and discussion were on that thank you **[7:04] Bill Angerman:** well we we struggled it as you right I get it cuz uh you know the train in Canon Falls can be difficult and uh if it's going a block and it's down a uh a ditch that's that's not much but going across Hills and terrains and Bluffs that that makes a big difference **[7:23] Brian Douglas (Chair):** good okay feel we've covered all the bases then on on these it's quite a few great good good job **[7:34] Diane Johnson:** I do have one question on the sewer part sub field we've got a number 11 that it can be repaired not replaced or relocated uh we don't have that in the well section is that just assuming you'd never want to build a second well or move it **[7:47] Isaac Naatz:** I believe that was um kind of what we came up with um if you look **[7:53] Bill Angerman:** I can take that one okay if you look on on uh on the map of of uh member the site plan of Timber Ridge they had two se0 system spots right yep and that's that they have to have that by code by county code you've got to have two spots available for one when the one goes bad you got another spot that you can can do it a well you just drop another pump down or you drill it further **[8:30] Diane Johnson:** so but we're saying they they can't even if the county requires to possible septic field locations we're saying they can't use a second place then and number 11 what's a normal lifespan of a septic system **[8:45] Bill Angerman:** that depends on the building well yeah some of them are are a long time yeah but also another one is unless approved by city council okay so that we could actually it's covering it okay yeah so we don't care if they would drop a different well in but each Lots no no they have the right to repair their pump okay um but each lot has to have under the under the Sewer Septic side has to have two septic spots **[9:20] Diane Johnson:** okay and I and I can't remember from the site plant and this really doesn't have anything to do with the ordinance but the septic field well are to each home or to the pair of homes down in that area **[9:36] Bill Angerman:** each each okay y **[9:40] Ryan Jeppesen:** I want just say good job yeah that's what we asked for thanks have it in your packet there like that yeah okay now too many pages Steve but thank you **[9:58] Ryan Jeppesen:** Mr chair if I would move to approve approve ordinance 2023-07 if there's no further questions is that are you at to that point **[10:13] Diane Johnson:** I'll second **[10:18] Brian Douglas (Chair):** yep yep been moved and seconded to um move ordinance 202 3-07 forward to the council correct um is there any further discussion that was moved by uh Jay and second by Diane um is there any further discussion all in favor I I I oppose carries okay uh 7B moratorium relating to residential treatment facilities Zach been working on that also **[10:43] Isaac Naatz:** yeah this is the second item is more more or less just an update to what we went over um at the last Planning Commission meeting regarding um the current moratorium in place for residential treatment facilities we're currently working still with Shelly um our attorney to really Define what a residential treatment facility is um and once these definitions are set we'll be able to update our code accordingly and put the proper restrictions in place so unless you have anything else You' maybe like us to implement into into our ordinance um it's more just kind of an update **[11:19] Ryan Jeppesen:** but I do have one question so reading the minutes from last meeting that I was not at it looked like there was at least distinction between a treatment facility and a group home right that would be clear clear in the definitions **[11:42] Isaac Naatz:** correct that's correct **[11:43] Bill Angerman:** yeah that's that's what we're working on **[11:51] Ryan Jeppesen:** okay y good I appreciate that I have we don't we want to separate those group homes and but this is still just a working copy because we have till May May yep to really get nailed **[12:05] Bill Angerman:** exactly we'll get we'll get through the definition portion and you know this stuff is if you if you've read through the book it's intertwined so um we'll get through the definition portion of it and then we'll start working on the rest **[12:18] Brian Douglas (Chair):** okay so this will take a few months yeah but uh we'll get through it so you don't need any action on this this is just an update **[12:28] Bill Angerman:** update **[12:29] Diane Johnson:** and speaking of definition when we're talking about like a nursing home facility will our definition make sure that it is for long-term care of senior citizens or people with long-term type uh physical disabilities I and I only ask because I I know in Illinois they had a problem with hospitals or somebody when when they couldn't find places for treatment with people with uh certain um mental disabilities younger people that were physically very capable being dumped in with nursing homes and and which could prevent you it did end up with lots of problems and I didn't know if our definition of **[13:30] Bill Angerman:** I think we're going to break out residential treatment facilities as a def definition in itself okay and and then um leave what we have in there um alone okay but we're working on it and uh um yep **[13:51] Brian Douglas (Chair):** we saw Zach taking notes over there so but that's where that's where we're at **[14:02] Bill Angerman:** I I get what you're saying I don't know how that works cuz you I don't think you see that in Minnesota yeah maybe there's maybe there's rules in the nursing home side that I that prevents that to to **[14:14] Diane Johnson:** why I have a lot experience from a consumer and that's said my daughter has special needs as in as a group home but didn't happened to her but there were instances of persons with disabilities physically able but with disabilities that couldn't go into another Care Facility but were going to nursing homes because that was the only place there was that was kind of like the end last option so it causes a problem for the nursing home know what do we kind of do we're not equipped for this so it just it's just part of a dynamic and there were cases of residents of the nursing home you know the elderly and those who couldn't protect themselves from those other physically able people um yes yep it it was it could get nasty and and frightening and you know there's there's got to be a better way where we can have a place for everyone to be yeah where they can be safe mhm **[15:11] Ryan Jeppesen:** are many of the facilities available for recuperation from uh medical procedures uh that they would probably be something that would fit into this as well' be like they're called isn't that **[15:18] Diane Johnson:** Transitional Care **[15:20] Ryan Jeppesen:** yeah and I'm just thinking that we don't want to eliminate that aspect of it because there are places for that I think and it's usually short term couple weeks that's physical disability yeah that's from from yeah like if learning to use your get a replacement part you're learning to use it someplace you know and those can be any age group people exactly kind the issue **[15:52] Diane Johnson:** no these these were people with usually some severe uh metal disabilities that and a lot of was you know for them control issues still very physical people yeah they were you know people in their 30s or 40s physically able that would basically attack attack to the residents of the other residents of the nursing home and not know they were doing har yeah because they you know yeah mentally yeah I got it but it that didn't protect I know the others and that that was yeah you and there again it's a problem of us as a society not having the facilities we need be there for people but it was mainly mental health facilities not we our system needs some some prop up there so it's generally Elder Senior Care Mental Health Care physical Transitional Care um kind of the um group group homes kind of living yeah but I just wanted to make sure as because at this point our nursing home was in a residential area to make sure that our understanding or definition of of what a nurse you know who are the residents of a nursing fac **[17:11] Ryan Jeppesen:** what's your experience with occupational therapy is that something that could fit in to retrain somebody to do a job after a major accident or you know physical oh and anything that's physical yeah that's physical yeah and and those are all like Jay was saying the transitional type things where you know and it might be a longterm transition yeah yeah or for people who had a stroke sure you know um I'm just gosh it's yeah a lot of things yeah **[17:42] Brian Douglas (Chair):** but I think the discussion here is we we're looking at it yes we're really trying to we we have a deadline to meet for the treatment centers but maybe while we're in there let's make sure we don't box out some of the other ones and if we can bring those along to have some clarity on those as well is that right Diane you're looking for good point because I I'm sure Zach doesn't have enough to do no teasing teasing slave driver huh yeah okay is there any further discussion on that okay is there anything else to come before the board **[18:19] Ryan Jeppesen:** I just have one item not on the agenda but as everybody has known um I'm going to be moving outside the the city limits which is unfortunate again as I emailed everybody wasn't something I was looking for but it was just house in the setting that my wife and I couldn't pass up so um I apologize for leaving after kind of a short period period here but I've enjoyed it and I'm implore anybody listening any other citizens here if you want to get involved this is a great place to to offer input and help our community grow healthfully and at a at a good rate into the future thank you so thank you for the opportunity to work with all you I I'll continue on this committee until I'm physically moved outside the city limits **[19:04] Brian Douglas (Chair):** great thank you I'll let you know when that is thanks J **[19:10] Diane Johnson:** are we invited to the house Warming **[19:12] Ryan Jeppesen:** yes we will have a house Warming party I'll tell you where the cameras are so you won't miss them when you want sneak out **[19:22] Brian Douglas (Chair):** there anything else move to a journ is there a second **[19:27] Diane Johnson:** second **[19:28] Brian Douglas (Chair):** move by Hammer second by Benin to journ is there any discussion all in favor I I oppos motion carries we're adjourned