good evening and welcome thank you for coming it is Monday February the 13th 2023. it is 6 30 p.m so I'm going to call to order this meeting of the Burnsville Planning Commission tonight's Planning Commission meeting is being held virtually by zoom and in person as chair will be leading tonight's Planning Commission meeting in the public the public is welcome to participate when called upon during the meeting members of the public can intent either in person or via Zoom and additional instructions on how to participate are posted online at burnsvillemn.gov under the public meeting calendar as usual tonight's meeting is also available for viewing on bctv and on the city's website if you're unable to participate this evening we'd like to submit public testimony you still can do that you can just email your comments directly to City staff or you can mail them right to City Hall uh we can participate both online using Zoom dot us slash join and you can type in the meeting ID 823-0076-8211 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agenda motion made to approve the agenda do I have a second commissioner wad I'll second the motion second by commissioner wad all in favor please signify by saying aye aye no motion passes our last meeting was January the 23rd 2023 uh the notes of that meeting would been in your packets any changes to those Meeting those that you saw CNN staff and changes no no changes no changes from staff I would take a motion to accept the meeting minutes from 23rd commissioner Watt uh so moved moved by commissioner Awad I have a second commissioner Timmerman second like commissioner Timmerman all in favor please signify by saying aye aye aye and no one opposes all right we're in the middle of a public hearing it's the application of Studio M Architects Incorporated for plan unit development Amendment for 15 046 square foot two-story addition to the West End of the existing building formula occupied by Gordmans at the mall located at 901 Kai Road West 42 here to speak on that is one of our city planners Miss Madden thank you chair good evening planning commissioners so as mentioned this is a continued item from our last meeting where we did open the public hearing to continue to this evening there were some items that uh we needed some revisions on as a city staff to review we do have that information and we'll move on with a formal review of this item with the Planning Commission this evening so as stated uh this is the former Gordmans space at the Burnsville Center the subject site is the north anchor of the Burnsville Center Mall as part of the Burnsville Center plan unit development right now you know it's home to Dick's Sporting Goods Panera Bread a couple other kind of spaces in this building as part of the mall the part that we'll be looking at this evening is related to the Western Wall which was the former Gordmans space and you know various stores uh formerly as well so this is that lower level space of the northern building at the Burnsville Center the site itself is uh zoned and guided mixed use and it is again it's within that Burnsville Center plan unit development and this parcel itself has been part of study related to the Burnsville Center Village and part of our comp plan implementation and in 2021 the site itself the portions of the mall site were planted and two new kind of boundaries and subdivisions to create about 10 new Parcels this is one of the parcels that was sectioned off and was affected by the right-of-way that was acquired for a future Aldrich Avenue Extension however again this is what we're looking at this evening is some improvements to the west side of the building so following that subdivision that created this new parcel boundary here at the Burnsville Center and the site has been sold and we do have um some proposed plans that are as part of what we're reviewing tonight as well as some internal modifications to the space that are not part of this application and so there is a new tenant for the primary lower level space um that uh there's been a little bit of kind of news about as we talk about this particular proposal about what we're reviewing this evening or the exterior modifications to the building and not the interior remodel of the tenant space which is by a separate applicant and separate uh later permit approval um so this expansion that we will be looking at this evening as mentioned in the title it's a 15 046 square foot two-story addition to the building and it is essentially um an updated facade bump out that also accommodates space for three new restaurant tenants and then it just kind of some exterior enhancements to that main entrance that faces the West portion of the building so shown here um we've got the removals plan and the site plan so just to show on the left side of your screen kind of the existing conditions of what that entrance in front of the building looks like and the kind of existing Landscaping islands that are proposed to be removed as part of the work there's also going to be changes as the building bumps out so does the front sidewalk and Plaza area and one of the kind of larger maybe exterior enhancements is part of this is the sidewalk stairway connection to the north part which would connect pedestrians on the outside to that Dick Sporting Good space and some of those other tenant Bays there so this is a a pretty significant grade separation that exists there so the the stairway would be a new kind of benefit to the site as part of their as part of their changes um so there are some trees that are proposed to be removed within the Landscaping islands that will be replaced there's some tree protection that'll also be installed on other trees in sight as related to the exterior changes and construction I'm not pictured here in which I'll get to later is a reason why the the application was continued from the last meeting was a utility location um so that's on a later utility plan in Greater detail and not on this removals plan kind of showing the new addition here that's the 15 000 square foot it does also include new entrances to the building uh so while there will be the tenant spaces that have access to patio seating area and this kind of new enhanced entrance there's also the main entrance for the kind of shared space a shared Lobby and that new interior uh tenant space which is proposed to be a future grocery store um additionally there are exits onto the patios from the lower level restaurant tenant spaces and then the upper level of the addition has a northern entrance in this location here where you can see kind of some pavers that'll be placed so the Northern the upper the Upper Floor will be one tenant space of one of the potential restaurants as part of the build out so shown here is a preliminary code plan for the internal spaces so you can see here on the left is showing generally access for the upper level tenant space that would have an elevator and stairway for that internal connection to the two lower levels that have there so you can kind of see here the the doorway exits to their individual outdoor seating access to the front and then as mentioned there is later an internal remodel that's proposed that's not included within this plan unit development Amendment um shown here is uh additional information showing uh how the space will be divided so on the lower level the addition is smaller um the upper level does expand over what is currently the loading dock area and within that loading dock area there'll also be some changes shown on a later site plan to the trash enclosure which will be expanded and modified as part of this but generally you'll see um the internal area has that shared Lobby and stairs to connect internally and then the exterior access between the two floors is through that new stairway that they are proposing um so shown here are the uh renderings of the exterior materials for the proposal um the project exceeds minimum standards for architectural materials and a number of ways generally the materials themselves that the combination of brick stone and glass is equal to or exceeds 60 on the facade which is a benefit to the to the project a significant changes here um with the use of the the stone um accent metal and then a high percentages of glazing on both the facade that faces the main parking field as well as some additional kind of tall high level vertical Accent glacing on the Northern entrance that they're creating for one of the restaurant tenant Bays as well generally your attached Architectural Review tool will show you kind of the areas where this project has exceeded some of the minimum requirements that the city code in areas Beyond just the basement materials that they're using and that's generally defined by the varying roof lines and the established corners and entrances of the building and the combination of horizontal horizontal and vertical I just combined those features as well as the established base through the patio Area Middle and then establishing a accent roof lines as well so kind of shown here is the actual kind of a breakdown you aren't able to see the notes here and what they're pointing out I do want to note so this area that you can see here that is that loading dock area so where they're showing a different texture of material is kind of hidden tucked away in the loading dock that's the existing wall that'll be painted to be consistent with what the new kind of color scheme is as opposed to kind of the earth tones that are there now um so it will be updated but not really be visible as part of the the project when the building is uh with the building Edition is constructed shown here is where the trash enclosure is located it will be up against kind of that existing retaining wall and then there will be two walls on either side of the enclosure as well to provide screening um so shown here you can see um the bicycle parking that is proposed and kind of a different look at that outdoor seating and Plaza that they'll be including some of those amenities at street level that also um in the Architectural Review tool are considered areas where they're enhancing beyond the minimums of the Ordnance standards um so shown here is the landscape plan um so they are making changes to move the two parking islands that buffer the rows to uh further back since the building is has an addition and then the enhanced kind of sidewalk and Plaza area in front of the entrance as well um so the current Landscaping Islands um are minimally landscaped there are trees that are in place from a previous kind of updates to the building as different tenants moved in and out but there isn't any ground cover or other kind of shrubs within the islands so the new islands have an increased amount of landscaping materials that'll actually be present as part of their design um additional updates to the building include new building perimeter Landscaping which has not been in place on many areas of the Burnsville Center facade so they'll be Landscaping areas in front of their building in between seating areas you can kind of see the darker areas where it shows that shrubs would exist and just overall improvements to the number of plant materials that are present on the site and kind of enhancing that street level look and feel of the the mall building here so they'll also be installing two trees per Landscaping Island instead of the existing one so we're happy to see kind of some more trees there that was a big Focus area as part of the Burnsville Center Village Vision to enhance landscaping materials in green area so I feel orientation here so that that I try to show you the numbers you may not be not mean after all this is the photometric plan showing kind of the bleeding of light based on their fixture so to the right of your screen would be the north of the property what I want to note about this is that they are meeting the requirements for bleeding at the Shared property line um except we're in one area which is kind of a South property line and near other parts of the Burnsville Center property where it's existing and there are no new light fixtures proposed so I just wanted to note that where you are seeing on the plan in your packet that it exceeds one foot candle of bleeding at the property line is existing and is related to the entire building's existing exterior light fixtures are not related to the new fixtures that they are proposing as part of their development um so shown here is the utility plan that I mentioned earlier where there was um or is currently a sanitary pipe that does receive kind of service by the city um uh probably um annually and that may have been disruptive to the plaza and Patio area so the request from our staff reviewers was for that to be moved and then there's a condition included as part of this application that a new easement be dedicated over the relocation relocation so you can see kind of in this area where the new proposal alignment is for that pipe so shown here is the signage plan generally it's a site plan of the property where they've identified two locations where uh new monument signage or and pylon signage could be located so this is the area of The Proposal where there are deviations from the city code so the city's sign ordinance well first I'll show you so shown here is a proposed location for a new pylon sign and shown here is a proposed location for a new monument sign and then um shown here is an existing Monument sign entrance to the Burnsville Center so the zoning ordinance just has requirements for when properties have more than one freestanding sign in that additional freestanding signs must be constructed as Monument signs No taller than six feet so they would meet that requirement if there was not an existing sign present that the the pylon sign and the monument sign meet height requirements for the zoning ordinance where there are some adjustments and some support of the deviations with conditions as part of this proposal is the um location of the existing entrance sign it's an aging Monument sign that um just as Burnsville Center on it as kind of an entrance to the site um so the condition that staff is proposing is that they be combined into one sign so that we can reduce sign clutter along County Road 42 um and have the sign be combined into one it can be in either of these locations and still meet these setbacks for County Road 42 and then there would be the secondary deviation that's requested for the two signs to be closer than 300 feet to one another which is another zoning ordinance requirement for when there are multiple freestanding signs on a property and so we've seen deviation requests for that distance reduction relatively recently within the last year the Starbucks and the Taco John's location received a deviation for a similar distance reduction between two freestanding signs um so they also are showing where wall science would be placed in the building and some of that was shown on their renderings of their exterior materials with the wall signage that they're proposing for each tenant um in its current kind of shown as potential tenant signage it does meet what the zoning ordinance would require and we would review that administratively through the sign permit process before those are installed there was also when Gordmans entered the space there was a deviation to total square footage of signage that's allowed on this facade and so they do have some flexibility with their total square footage of signage when they come forward with their sign permit application for the wall sign so we would be looking at that as well as just underlying ordinance requirements for wall signage shown here is a sign showing or a plan showing proposed pedestrian connections throughout the mall into County Road 42. I'm shown in red here is not included on other plans within their civil and Architectural set so another condition that staff is included as part of this application is that this pedestrian connection shown in red be constructed as part of this application and included in the plans with the building permit application so there are sections within our parking ordinance that talk about pedestrian connections within parking fields that connect building storefronts with other key sidewalk areas or um other businesses other areas of interest and as a connection to County Road 42 whether that path is straight to County Road 42 or whether it cuts over on this existing crosswalk that is here they have the flexibility for that but we are requesting that a 10-foot Trail um not Trail a 10-foot pedestrian path with a landscaping alignment is constructed as part of the building permit application this would also be consistent with the recent changes to the Cobblestone Court plan unit development where there was the future the grocery tenant that's been under construction that they did install a new sidewalk connection throughout their parking field to connect their storefront to the existing sidewalk infrastructure through straight through the parking field as a access for the customers as well as total pedestrian connection throughout the site additionally adding new pedestrian ways and connections to County Road 42 would be implementation of the center Village Vision as well as multimodal plan connections and other mixed-use goals within the comprehensive plan um so shown here are benefits and deviations included within the plan unit development so as mentioned there are three deviations that are included related to the signage plan um to allow the new 24-foot freestanding sign new six foot Monument sign and to allow the new freestanding signage to be located closer than 300 feet in distance from other freestanding signs which we do support with the conditions included as part of this recommendation which we'll get to in a couple of slides land use benefits to the amendment the proposed commercial restaurant uses are compatible with the existing nearby uses and would be a benefit to the mall as well as to the mixed-use district the Redevelopment of the vacant space can bring new visitors to the Burnsville Center increasing economic viability of them all which is a goal of the comprehensive plan implementation as well as the center Village vision The Proposal is consistent with those sitter Village Vision goals of a diverse and creative retail mix within the Burnsville Center and then the proposal provides an outward facing space for three new businesses at the mall so that accomplishes other goals from the vision of turning them all inside out and providing exterior visibility of destinations within the mall um and as far as zoning benefits um the inclusion of bike parking spaces for increased multimodal access to the site and that the facades impacted by the update are constructed with 60 or greater enhanced building materials of Brookstone or glass um as architectural benefits to The Proposal other considerations that you this report as well as in the slides this evening so there are engineering related improvements related to partial Redevelopment of that parking area and Utility Services to the storefronts and that that existing sanitary sewer line is to be relocated out of the expanded patio area and a new easement dedicated the building and fire departments will through the code review process be reviewing this application a time of building permit verifying access to the site entrance exiting things like that so the remodel of that existing lower level space is not included in what we're reviewing tonight and so that'll be completed by separate permit um The Proposal of this new edition of facade update is consistent with the comp plan goals for the Burnsville Center area through the Redevelopment of vacant and and parking field space um with the enhanced materials and design um improvements to the plaza and additional pedestrian access we feel that this adds interest to the Burnsville Center property and is accomplishing those goals through the study that we've been completing in the last five years here at the city and additionally just within the mixed use zoning and land use of the site land use goals to provide Transit access pedestrian and bike connectivity to Parks employment areas businesses we feel that the proposal is consistent that goal and that the connection to that County Road 42 to the storefront would increase connectivity and be consistent with those goals as well so with the conditions included on your next slide here we are supportive of the application and so we're recommending that the Planning Commission recommend approval of the the application so there are nine conditions here as part of this and the first is of course the standard that we use that the conditions and approvals of the previously approved puds and cups on the site to remain in full force and effect and the second condition is related to the trail or the sidewalk connection The Pedestrian connection they were showing that it be completed with this phase of development delineated by a change in landscaping and the plans showing completion of the enhancement be provided at a time of building permit third condition another standard that the tree removal permit be issued prior to any work on site conditions four and five and six are related to signage on the property um so condition number four is related to the request that the pylon be incorporated into the existing Burnsville Center Monument sign to reduce sign clutter condition number five is related to um which I did not mention um I'll go back to this site plan they are showing it in this location which would uh potentially be uh within the path of where this pedestrian path could connect so the condition is related to that the sign be moved or that The Pedestrian path be moved so that they are not in Conflict since we don't have this uh pedestrian path as part of their full civil set we don't have um like a formal location of it and they do have that flexibility so condition number five is related uh to that that they have the flexibility to move the monument sign to a new location or to move the path slightly to not interfere with that but that the deviation for the sign would continue based on this condition number six the no exterior signage be installed without issuance of a permit seven for exterior lighting to be downcast and shielded on face it on all faces which is the standard condition that we use in our review and then the two engineering related conditions the the first that in the outstanding comments be addressed to the satisfaction of the city Engineers so that memo is included in your staff report and then the final condition related to the rerouting of that sanitary sewer line that it a new easement is required to cover the relocation of that type so with that I can stand for questions and as mentioned this is a continued public hearing from our last meeting Miss man that was wonderful thank you Commissioners any questions for either Ms Madden or Sarah Lloyd is here with for the city engineering commission Braddock hi everybody relativity is talking about multimodal and like pedestrians I think of wayfinding is there any condition like any consideration for wayfinding or was it in the discussion at all at all it's a great question in the discussion and they do have on their signage plan a few locations where they talk about wayfinding signage whether it's existing Mall wayfinding signage and the ability to include their own so those small informational signs are um not that you don't require a sign permit for those of that size so they do have flexibility to install them and it was part of our discussion um and how we can use wayfinding to also route to this parking field since it hasn't been in use for this particular space um you know for a number of years while it's been vacant so that was part of our discussion and it's part of their their overall plans but isn't necessarily something that's identified on these plans right now cool thank you you're welcome Mr Timmerman will you go back to the slide with the um sidewalks the red sidewalk thank you you knew I was going to ask um there's a kid and family friendly business just next to this property and I'm curious the considerations that have been put into routing pedestrian traffic because even as it stands right now from those islands it's kind of unsafe and there's not a lot of traffic there because there's really not much going on other than that kid-friendly Mouse business um um so I'm just kind of curious about the discussion about I see some plans for the sidewalk kind of connecting with the Burnsville Center property which the Chuck E cheese is next to but I don't know I guess I'm concerned about people crossing about Crossing from the parking lot to that business uh uh and also you know if it seems like it's a different property so I don't know how you put a you know a requirement on that other than maybe from the parking lot to this business and then the existing connection to the Chuck E cheese I don't know I'm just kind of thinking about kids Family Safety because there's going to be way more traffic here now yeah that's a great Point um so connections to the adjacent business were not part of the consideration when we were reviewing what if any pedestrian improvements that they could make as part of their parking field primarily we were focusing on the areas of the city ordinance and the um you know our envisioning goals that talk about Connections to County Road 42 and within the Ring Road um so it wasn't part of the discussion but it is something that we can make a note of for the applicant to be aware of and as they are neighboring that and but as you mentioned they are a separate property and under separate ownership um there there's an existing sidewalk connection that's there but it would be as part of the overall Mall circulation and not from that business to its own kind of parking field oh just a thought as we were talking about sidewalks if maybe um even from the parking lot to this project there could be an extra safe Crossing from the parking lot um to provide that safer opportunity of Crossing great point do you have another one commissioner tournament not at the moment not at the moment how come you you have time you have time it's okay my question has to do with noticing those stairs I'm thinking Ada accessibility is was there an elevator in there I thought I saw yes there is an elevator as part of the floor plan for the internal access and the great separation in this location and the proposed stairway and they're not proposing a ramp at this particular location um the we have had it reviewed by our building official and other inspector staff and they are aware of the changes um and the internal access in between the two floors is part of that ADA requirement otherwise there are other paths on the exterior that go around that grade change that may be able to qualify for that um but I don't have a specific note within the report about their review of that they are going to be reviewing Ada in more detail with the construction level documents that they'll have for the engineering of that sidewalk and stairs as well as the just the permit approval process so that does come after this space okay commissioner Timmerman all right you may have spoken to this but um is there additional property available within the parking for them to build another Outlet or anything or is this kind of Standalone project no additional space on this part parcel um this is considered Standalone um they a future applicant whether it's associated with this developer or someone that comes in new and is interested in and out lot space here could put additional buildings on the property as part of um kind of a Redevelopment initiative it would be a plan unit development Amendment for any new building construction anywhere on the Burnsville Center PUD it would require a review for any new buildings but um from what we have here the parking itself is considered a joint parking for the entirety of the Burnsville Center plan unit development and as it currently stands they are meeting ordinance requirements and exceeding them for available parking and so there is availability on the I would say the mall as a whole for those Outlets to continue to be developed as the recent Panda Express amendment was but there isn't anything currently proposed in this area for new construction of buildings I think it's just nice to talk about you know this this paved Paradise that we can actually do something good with so if there's that opportunity maybe down the road right and as far as the the pipe we don't have any pushback or anything I'm moving the pipe that was all agreed to by the applicant uh chair we are still working on that boat the plan that Miss Madden had in the presentation that was a rerouted pipe so it shows me that they are agreeable to making that that adjustment there are some comments that we have to this um as you see the pipe um coming from I guess the the bottom corner or the bottom of the page it's not fully on their property uh so that that how they have rerouted is on the adjacent parcel so we've got some additional comments to to work through either finding an easement from that property owner or another little reroute to make it work so again it seems they're agreeable to meeting that condition it should be a problem shouldn't be a problem no good good I'm sure that has added a little extra cost but okay great any other questions commissioners CNN we are in a public hearing I don't believe the applicant does here I see are they we have someone that is related to the team but not the architect okay um would that person like to speak to this item metal thank you but we're very excited about this project uh hopefully to be a catalyst to this revive this fall great thank you we are in the middle of a public hearing we're two weeks in actually um anybody that like to speak on this issue may feel free to come up to the lectern or if they're on Zoom I don't believe there is anybody on Zoom but if they were they could speak to this or let the moderator know and see no one come we're in two weeks of public hearing at 705. we're rounding up with that I'm going to turn back to the commission let's discuss what do we think commissioner Awad I just want to make a comment it seems like a great project because it's exciting to see new stuff happening there and new you know new space being built out yeah that's my only comment I you know I agree I think it could be a kick in the butt to get things moving forward as far as the mall is concerned to see construction going on there that's great to see any other comments commissioner Timmerman good job this is you know the second of many things to come but um yeah I mean like you mentioned Ms Madden does a fantastic job this very detailed I I think that this is a challenging large-scale project that's going to hopefully be um the very small compared to Future ones but great job I think it's an exciting project can't wait to see shovels in the ground excellent I also like to making it a walkable area that that's a great in having the paths identified by Landscaping on the side and I believe it says it's raised up I think that's going to bring about the goals that we're looking for at the center Village Vision so all great things I'm really excited about this myself Mission Awad uh would you be willing to entertain a motion I would entertain emotion okay I will make a motion uh that that we recommend to the city council approval of the planned unit development Amendment for fifteen thousand forty six square foot two-story addition to the building located at 901 County Road 42 West subject to the nine conditions that were listed great we have a motion commissioner award second commissioner Braddock I will second the most second bike Mr Braddock all in favor of our motion as presented please signify by saying aye aye and it will be on the consent agenda for our city council meeting on February the 15th 21st at 5 30 pm thank you Miss Madden thank you next we're looking at a public hearing for the Luther company LLC it's Burnsville Lutheran Hyundai at 14 700 Buck Hill Road and it's rezoning from B3 to General commission commercial to B3 plan unit development concept and development stage PUD for open sales and rental lot a new 40 137 square foot dealership and parking expansion lot expansion here to present is our other city planner Deb Garros mascaros thank you we do have the applicant here this evening to provide any information to you it is a public hearing this is Burnsville Luther Hyundai it's one of the several dealerships in this part of the city along Buck Hill Road they are looking to redevelop the site the property was originally approved back in the 1980s early 1990s as a Saturn dealership so the use will not change it's still in open sales rental lot dealership but they will be redeveloping the property so in terms of the subject site it's a uniquely shaped parcel basically there is Frontage on three different sides to the north South Cross Drive and then the actual front of the facility where people come in is along Buck Hill Road so that would be the East face and then on the west is really kind of the rear of the building along burn Haven Drive I am going to make some references to the Lemon Tree's Collision property just because we have common lot lines here and there are some existing retaining walls in that area and some work that's being done in terms of grading so primarily for the site we're looking at again a new dealership building they're looking to pretty much expand the parking area there is an existing stormwater Pond back right in this area so they're looking to basically fill in that pond put in underground stormwater treatment facilities and then to be able to expand the parking lot in this area also the building that is proposed will be larger than the existing building that's out there they are proposing to redevelop the site in terms of the building in two phases and there's also two phases related to the construction of the site improvements as well the reason for the two phases is just to allow them to stay open during the entire Redevelopment project so for the site it's about 6.5 Acres the new building footprint is just over 40 000 square feet but it's actually the building has got a main floor and then a second floor mezzanine area so the total square footage for the building is forty seven thousand seven hundred plus the impervious surface and green space really is going to remain the same on the parking lot overall they are going to be installing a lot more green space parking Islands throughout the project area so it pretty much stays the same the Green Space within the parking lot because this is a open sales rental lot it normally the standards is eight percent they're actually going to be providing more than that 9.6 percent internal Green Space and they're building perimeter Landscaping we'll be at 30 percent and that means the ordinance as well so in terms of the Pud benefits we have we had suggested that the applicant consider going from a conditional use permit to a planned unit of development there are a couple of deviations that are requested and it just is really easier to go through and memorialize some of the existing encroachments and deal with uh the very the couple of deviations going through the Pud rather than conditional use permit so the applicant has proposed to do that and that's why we have the rezoning part of the application from B3 to B3 planned unit development the um in terms of benefits they are looking at a substantial investment in the community this is something where we have an existing business that's able to stay here and reinvest so that is considered to be a positive or benefit of the project they are providing more trees on the site than the ordinance requires and in addition to that they actually have been able to incorporate all of the shrubs on the site which is pretty unique because as you know we've seen a lot of developments and there's a lot of shrubs that are required you know by the ordinance and usually they're looking at you know we can't quite put that many in there they have met the ordinance so the site is really going to look very nice they're going to be making some improvements to the driveway off of Buck Hill Road which will not only improve the function of that but it'll bring the width of that it more into compliance with the ordinance um and I'll go into that when we get there the location they have an existing freestanding sign out at the site on the south east corner which is in a drainage and utility easement and it's also too close to the Walser Mazda sign as Sarah mentioned for the last application there's that 300 foot separation so they will be moving at so that gets rid of the encroachment into the easement and it also then meets the ordinance they are proposing an attached trash enclosure attached to the building itself it will have a metal roof roofs are not required anymore for trash enclosures so um with that and the materials that they're proposing to use that exceeds the ordinance they're putting in electrical electric vehicle charging stations on the site which is a benefit they're also adding bike racks another benefit for the site and they're using pervious pavers on the property which is something that the city has you know or staff we have promoted for a long long time that usually isn't something that is able to be done usually cost prohibitive here they're able to do that for the deviations primarily they're related to screening parking headlight screening is typically required but because this is a dealership you know they want to be able to have folks see the inventory which is a reasonable request there are a couple of areas that they need um deviation from that screening standard they're also asking for a deviation to there's a requirement of the ordinance that at the end of rows of parking you put in a landscape Island part of the site is not going to be touched for the project so they're asking not to have to tear up you know existing parking lot to put in these islands which from a staff perspective also makes sense um they are the last two items are not really deviations they are things that are allowed by the ordinance either through conditional use permit or PUD and one of those is the use of chain link fence with slats and that's proposed on their trash enclosure so that again is something that's reasonable and they're also proposing to have more metal on the East face of the building 52 versus the 50 standard again allowing more is available to do through the Pud process so with this um this is the existing conditions plant and primarily just wanted to draw your attention to the stormwater pond in this area this will be going away but these kind of pink these um pink lines here uh in the log here and along the South are the existing retaining walls and those are proposed to stay there are some encroachments within the drainage and utility easements for those existing walls but they're not going to be made worse they're going to basically stay where they are the only proposal is to further extend this retaining wall out a little bit further to the west and they are also going to be proposing or putting some fencing on top of that and we'll get into that the area where I was talking about no changes really is this kind of Northern Area the parking lot no changes there so these at the end of these rows they currently have striped you know areas and they're just requesting not to have to rip that up to put in new landscape Islands so that's the deviation the other element along Buck Hill Road and this applies to the other dealerships as well there's a natural gas pipeline along there so being able to plant you know and have things within that easement is restricted so again another one of the reasons for not putting in that a lot of that screening type material because of the um because the easement and this is the existing access if you will so people can drive in one vehicle can turn into the site when they exit the site currently it has width for two vehicles so you can have two vehicles one exiting North and one exiting South at the same time so a lot of different potential movements taking place in that area it's nice it's got a nice landscape island but everybody knows what it's like driving along Buck Hill Road so simplifying that really will I think provide a benefit for the project I talked about just quickly that they are looking at two phases for the most part the first phase of the site this is the demolition part of it and again getting rid of a parking area so that they ultimately will be able to grade and this would be the for phase one grading plan and again really what they're doing is just filling in this area this shows the new Underground treatment system that's proposed and then the purpose pavers are proposed in this area of the storage lot so they do get credit um for pervious pavers in terms of overall Green Space so about two percent of their overall Green Space is the previous pavers and again that's listed using those previous pavers is something that's listed in the ornament as a benefit for a PUD so this is the just a color kind of rendition of what we've been looking at it gives you a little bit better idea the parking islands that they're going to be installing these will all be landscaped parking islands and then they are also adding additional landscaping and parking Islands in these areas again you can see the pervious pavers here and really just filling in and expanding the parking storage and parking area in that part of the site this will be their final Demolition and it's basically what will occur then is um the rest of the site the East part of the site the building itself constructed in two phases the first phase will be the West part of the project site which is primarily where their service their car wash on those facilities are and then once that's completed they will build the East part of the building which includes service to the South and their main showroom offices lounge and visitor areas what I want to draw your attention to on this this is the final grading plan but the extent of the construction limits is right here so again that's why they're requesting not to have to disturb this part of the parking lot to the north and this is kind of a simplified architectural site plan again you got the previous pavers the parking the parking along the South not really much is changing along the South part of the site um they will have a couple of things that are going to be happening as they are putting in pedestrian on a sidewalk if you will sections that will come out there is a new sidewalk that is uh will be built within Buck Hill Road in the next couple of years the design for that is not completed yet so um but when they um when that goes through this this will connect so that's their connection to the public sidewalk system in addition to that they have the parking lot access again which is basically going to be room for one vehicle in and one vehicle out just to the north of that is a new display pad site and then to the north of that this is where they'll be putting their new um entrance sign or freestanding sign for the development and that's going to be moved from this area down here in an easement to this area which means setbacks and is not in a park amusement the site itself will have 438 parking stalls they're required to have 121 and the area kind of in the light blue is basically where their customer and employee parking is and the rest of the site is really going to be set up more for storage for all of their vehicles they are in the Reconstruction of the entrance they are removing again a couple of existing um existing display pads if you will that are also within the easement so that again is making that a better situation this shows the footprint for the new building and the retaining wall extension they're extending it from approximately this point over to the west and then they will be installing a decorative type fencing on top of that for pedestrian safety and that will be basically anywhere that the retaining wall is over two feet night the um this is one of the exterior views of the site and we're looking at the south side here and then the East Side here so the entire showroom area will be encased in glass there is a decorative metal material that will be installed along the top and it will also continue along the service this is the access for people driving in for their vehicles to get service their the amount of metal again 52 percent on the south or excuse me the East Front versus the 50 they also are in in addition to the glass they've got um another type of metal that they will use around the entry that is something that is um a dealership it's part of their kind of business model for the most part the other materials on the building will be Precast panels in two different colors uh and um so the um just losing it tonight I haven't been here for a long time you gotta practice the actual um I want to call that yeah someone that's they're different there we go um this is where the um then they will have the new trash enclosure uh again in terms of the project itself Precast panels This is looking from the other direction the design elements they're required to have three they're providing for actually five they have contrasting and complementary colors accent materials um irregular building shape also the heights of the various sections there's three different heights about 28 feet a little bit taller for the main part of the building 26 feet for the entry where the showroom is and then 21 feet for the surface area and the car wash on the north side of the building then this gets into the the details there is an area in front along the where the service entrance is that will have burnished block along the the bottom and this will also wrap around to the south side this is the floor plan kind of hard to read with all the dimensions and things but basically again this is the area where the uh showroom will be and then you get into where the offices and places for folks to come in and visit some of the break rooms Etc are pretty much in here and really the rest of the facility is pretty much set up for um Maintenance and Service type work and then the one stall car wash on the north side then on top there are mezzanines the main part is pretty much a general office area and then some area for equipment storage for the landscape plan as I had indicated they've done a really nice job with the landscaping materials the amount of materials meets the ordinance the variety of materials it's really going to have a nice look to it all year long different seasons with different colors and types of materials that are proposed so we indicated they are putting in more trees and are typically required they're green space exceeds the um the requirement for parking area and this is something that is pretty amazing I've worked on a lot of these car dealerships and going Beyond eight percent I mean even getting to eight percent is difficult for a lot of them so going beyond that is is really a unique thing and it's going to be a very nice looking project and we talked about the deviation to this those parking Islands to the north and they do meet the ordinance on their overall Green Space and they're building perimeter Green Space this is just the Landscaping shown outside of the showroom so this will be a very nice entrance and the bike racks will be in this location right up here this is showing the access the new access to Buck Hill Road so this will be the um it's a pad that will have stamped concrete it'll be a nice you know a little bit raised pad nice landscaping around it and then the new sign for the facility is located here in terms of the reason that I brought this slide is the show is kind of where the deviations are requested for screening for the parking lot it's really these couple of areas in red and then also along burn Haven Drive so it's very small area especially considering that this site has got these three frontages so staff is comfortable with what is proposed in terms of the recommendation staff is recommending approval of both the resulting and the concept and development stage PUD there are nine conditions these are relatively standard type conditions number one um this first condition really relates to repealing the old cup that's on file and then it'll be replaced with the planned unit development so this is just the language that the City attorney typically likes to see and then we would be looking for number two um for any of the uh any of the existing encroachments that are within like the gas line easement or drainage and utility easement just that they provide a note or something from the utility company indicating that they're okay with what's in there which hopefully they should be because it's already been in there for quite a while um but they'll need to cash security or letter of credit for the paving concrete curb and gutter prior to grading your tree removal they'll need to work with the city's Forester for an inspection their tree removal is below the 60 so there is no Woodland preservation that's required um they'll need a cash security or letter of credit for landscaping and then also at the time that the building permit comes in we're going to want to see cross-sectional drawings of rooftop views they've indicated and it is listed on the plans that the the equipment will be screened but we just want to get those at the time that the building permit comes in also there are still or maybe still a few comments from the city Engineers I know that still need to be addressed so that is item number eight and item number nine because of that infiltration system the underground system they will need to enter into a stormwater maintenance agreement and with that I can stand for questions awesome thank you so much Miss garos questions commissioner Watt uh yes thank you for a great presentation the cash security the two conditions that relate to cash security is that just a normal part of the process I don't know that we see that in listed in the conditions typically I had put that in um just because more and more with various projects um people are like once they get the building permits like well what's this oh yeah we need to provide a security so I've just been clear there we go you know or whatever you know but it is a standard it's from the ordinance so yeah that was my that was my understanding that it's in there and that and I can understand the reason here making it clear so thank you any other questions um again great presentation uh as far as the storm water Pond and removing that you said there was underwater treatment facility is that the replacement for that yes okay and then um I wasn't familiar with the previous pavers before so that's where rainwater can come down and still go through so the pavement isn't basically stuck is that however yes um um at City Hall in front of the police department those are pervious papers that are out there so it's a system that's specifically built um the um the ground does need to be of a material that will work you know with that but basically it allows water to percolate down through the pavers there are holes in them basically and then enter the storm water system is that considered a low impact design it would be yes good deal great think that no other questions from Commissioners I would invite the applicant to come in and tell us a little bit about the design we're really excited for you by the way if you could just state your name and address for the record please yeah Steve zabroski from landform Professional Services I'm a civil engineer on the project and with me tonight is also Lyndon McGinty from the Luther companies and again we're equally as excited to be here presenting this project uh Deb did a great job presenting um as usual here as well and and we don't have a lot more to add to this uh she was pretty thorough in her presentation one thing we didn't want to just again re-emphasize is you know we had been working with the city engineer regarding the future Trail connection to Buck Hill Road and you'll see that our initial round of submittal documents did not include that and you know we knew something was likely to come but we weren't sure when I was going to be constructed and we knew it was inevitable that there was it was going to be there so we thought right to install uh the sidewalk connection to the trail now knowing that that's it's likely to come in the near future so that was a big part of this design um and and through guidance through uh City Planning staff here as well they did lead us towards this PUD application we didn't initially set out to do that um but you know the the requests and the combination is that the city was able to make were certainly reasonable we think and I think as a result we're able to achieve a really high quality project one thing that we also want to note again is not part of the the Pud necessarily but that just the construction phasing in itself as Deb mentioned is is going to be constructed in two phases this does allow the existing business to remain operational during construction and and as we described the the shop will be built first existing building will remain in place with again appropriate construction measures in place to keep you know the general public out of those spaces but as part of that you know once the the main or existing building comes down we won't have a showroom in place so we're going to have to have a means to sell vehicles and service the existing customer base on site so we intend to have a temporary trailer or tent on the or something on the north side of the property so the eliminate Nation or the exclusion of the islands on those that north side of the property is also important it sees allows us to have additional flexibility for the placement of of that during during construction um and then uh with that too again a note on the uh Financial assurances uh we'd still like to talk to City staff to see if there are other options uh in lieu of a cash um um payment for the sureties if there's an option for a bond we'd be interested in finding a way forward with that too I know Luther is extremely um anxious to get going and the sooner we can get those things knocked out we will make a permanent application that would help expedite things for them so with that again if you have any additional questions we're here to answer them and if not we'll just stand and let you discuss Commissioners any questions for the applicant again appreciate all the work you're doing especially with the city of Burnsville the plans look beautiful looks like I did a great addition to the city down in there and I really appreciate you being a partner especially with the pathways and all that really do appreciate it thank you for coming in today with that we are in a public hearing it is 7 35 and I'm opening up the public hearing see if anybody is on Zoom or if anyone in the room or in the building would like to speak to this they can come to lectern and state they'd like to speak to this issue I'm not seeing anybody coming up and it sounds like nobody's on Zoom so with that I am going to go ahead and close the public hearing ad running up again 7 36. foreign with that I'm going to turn it back over to the Commissioners for discussion and maybe a recommendation for City Council Commissioners Mr Timmerman I think it's a cool project I think uh you know it's updating property moving in from the cup to the Pud is a benefit to you and the city in my opinion um I think the design looks good I like that the plans are very conscientious to the environmental impacts and then the foresight of connecting to Future Buck Hill sidewalks a very nice plan I uh I would support this and with those odds I'm so happy to make a motion I think I think they're they're saying that commissioner and go ahead I'd like to move to approve uh or sorry rather I'd like to move that we recommend to the city council that they approve the rezoning of the property from B3 General commercial to b3pud and concept and development stage PUD for construction of a new dealership building and site improvements at 14 700 Buck Hill Road subject to the nine conditions that Ms Garros outlined for us outstanding we have a motion do I have a second commissioner what I will second the motion second by commissioner Awad all in favor please signify by saying aye aye it is unanimous February 21st 5 30 right here in these City Chambers we're going to have a be on the consent agenda so moving on thank you so much for coming in congratulations it looks like we have another public hearing and this one is in relation to our Burnsville sanitary landfill and it's a public hearing application of bsli Incorporated for a comprehensive plan amendment to change the landfill in use plan text and maps from Golf Course to open space and rezoning for Outlet a bsli Edition from commercial recreation plan unit development to con Conservancy PUD and rezone lot one block One bsli Edition from commercial recreation PUD to General Industry PUD at 2650 Cliff Road West here to present again Ms Garros go ahead thank you Commissioners as you're familiar we have been working with bsli landfill for a number of years now on various things this is really the last part of everything that they have been doing up until this point if you recall the city council approved a planned unit development for them just a couple of months ago which basically changed the end use plan it allows for expansion of the landfill both the height and then the footprint actually will be contracted a little bit but what really is going to happen as a result of that is that instead of having a flatter surface at the top which would have accommodated a golf course Planning Commission or excuse me city council agreed with the with the property owner that they would rather see the expanded landfill so hopefully they can close some of the other landfills in the Minnesota River quadrant to come here that will result in more of a pyramid so a golf course wouldn't work I think Council didn't feel that really golf courses are closing kind of all over the country so they looked at basically allowing a different end use plan primarily open space type of development so that is what is being requested and then to implement that we're looking at rezoning the site the commercial um let's see commercial recreation development land use type was established back about when this project came through in 2005-2006 the other site that has that same designation is Buck Hill so it was intended to be for these sites that have kind of a recreational use you know maybe privately owned but yet there's a significant you know public input Regional kind of draw to these so the subject side itself Burnsville landfill is shown in yellow there are two properties outline a is the site that's located along the Minnesota River and then lot one block one is primarily where the actual landfill is and the 2006 planned unit development contemplated a golf course at the top once the landfill was completed and this is just kind of an artistic rendering of that with the changes and with what the city council approved recently basically looking to change that Golf Course concept to we'll have closed landfill which is primarily going to remain open space this area of Outlet a is covered by a conservation easement so this area would continue to be shown as the potential of having Trail connections through here along the river basically Riverfront access wildlife area that type of thing not really a formal development or formal Recreation but more I would say similar to what's across the River on the Excel property where you've got habitat viewing and that type of thing so this is the concept plan that they approve for the Final End use and then with that for comprehensive plan amendments we are required to send notices out to jurisdictions other cities that abut the city townships counties also the Metropolitan Council any other like school districts any other agencies Etc so we did send out to 26 different agencies they have a 60-day time frame to review the amendment and then to comment on that that date has come and gone now so we did receive back 10 responses most of which indicating that there's no didn't indicate that there would be any impact to their agencies or jurisdictions from this proposed change we did get one response which is a letter which is in your packet from Dakota County and they're looking at continuing to work with the applicant in the city to try to get those Regional Trail connections through there and that is shown to continue to be the case and then they also provided a list of um environmental sites environmental concern sites the county tracks all of these particular sites throughout all the cities within Dakota County and there were two indications on their um on their review one from 1989 related to a complaint to the Minnesota Pollution Control agency about Cargill and finding a number of drums on the site those have been removed years ago and then the other thing that remained on site was a an aerial photo again from 1945 some a number of years ago again showing um some issues with Port Cargill and doing some illegal well I shouldn't say that some disposal even okay don't know if it's possible but anyway those have been cleaned up too and with the extensive environmental review that was done for the landfill for this expansion um none of these items have come up again so they should have been resolved uh quite a number of decades ago with that in terms of the rezoning the crd is shown above and then we're looking basically to resume that Conservancy is the zoning District that we would like to use for Outlet a because that's really what it is conservation um District over that and then the landfill would then go back to its re or its zoning prior to the 2006 PUD which is General industrial planned unit development and all the adjacent properties are all zoned I2 PUD that's a Cramer site and then we got one site so this will fit fit in it's not something that's out of character and then the recommendation is for we're recommending to Planning Commission that the comprehensive plan amendments and the rezonings be approved I do have the text of the uh if you want to go through it we can but you've got that in your packet that information has been available on the city's website for a about two months now as well on our landfill applications website the actual Red Line language so we have not received any comments from that so with that I can stand for questions well thanks again miss garos any questions from uh commissioners for City staff commissioner Timmerman Miss Carol's um I'm curious if you can provide the Planning Commission an update on communication with the freeway landfill owner and I think that um you know for me at any time that I look at this particular site it's forever going to be connected with negotiations with the freeway landfill and moving waste over to that and I think that it would be a disservice to the to the people who live in our city if we don't get those updates and these public hearings are an opportunity to do that and so the question that I have is what updates are there from freeway landfill and any further movement from the property owner on the on the site in question here with getting the garbage from that online landfill moved over um Ashley Mr McGowan had made an application for concept stage PUD they wanted to reopen the freeway landfill and continue to bring garbage to it they withdrew that application [Music] um the initial reviews by the agencies in the city Etc indicated that that was not something that is consistent with our comprehensive plan or the legislative agenda that the council has Etc so that has been removed um the mpca is still working on the um alternatives for that Superfund Site and freeway dump and how they'll be cleaned up either that digging Hall which is what the city would like to see dig all the garbage up and haul it to another landfill hopefully Burnsville sanitary landfill or the dig in line option I believe that they are at the point where they have the um the concept plans put together for those and then they will be going out for bid if they have not already and once they get the bids back at that point in time mpca will approach the legislature with the options the costs and try to obtain the approvals necessary to actually clean up the site uh follow-up Sheriff go for it um so I know that the city council every year creates their legislative priorities and again this was on their priorities for this year do we think that could happen this year or I mean I I'm aware that mpca obviously is in the driver's seat right now but um how are things looking for expediency um that is the last that I've heard I have not seen anything um you know nothing has been introduced yet as far as the legislative session so I don't know if they're at the point where they made it you know for this year or if they'd be looking at it next year as far as we know we have not received anything back from PCA on the costs associated with both of the alternatives thank you still proceeding but just good I mean that's that's what we can ask for at this point when we don't have control exactly yeah all right any other questions Commissioners for City staff included in the report was an environmental review report listing out I'm assuming these are items that we need to or where found is it found in the in the dump in the landfill or was it phoned or is it just a list of items that could be there or these were um primarily located in this North West Corner up through here Cargill operates through here Cargill also has um this channel that was put in and Cargill owns these properties that are within the city of Burnsville so the sites they were kind of generally generalized located in this area but those are from there I don't know that anything ever goes off their list of sites because I think it's primarily there for folks you know to do their due diligence and you know oh well we better take a you know make sure that we take a look at this area and just double check for soils Etc but as I indicated these were from their list from many years ago and when we did the environmental assessment or excuse me environmental impact statement worker when the applicant did this past year there were no fines that came up or issues in that area so this list is more from Cargill than it is from bsli correct yeah that's where the sites yep they were just they're reports of things that occur all over you'll find like any types of any place that's ever had an oil spill or a leaking underground tank of some site all of those types of things get recorded through Dakota County on their environmental assessment so everything uh that's it's just they keep track of it so people are at least put on notice that there was something at some point in time okay okay that clarifies that thank you so much appreciate it it was interesting I dug into the port cargo thing I guess they were building ships with the Navy there that's pretty interesting stuff back in World War II anyway this is a public hearing I believe there is the applicant here is Mr Miller would like to speak to us that would be great if you don't want to you don't have to I don't believe we do do we no all right well thank you for coming in good to see you with that it is a public hearing I'm going to open that public hearing at 751 anyone that may have joined in zoom in the last 10 minutes doesn't sound like anybody did double check that foreign the hearing at 7 52. and I'm going to turn back to the Commissioners to talk about um any recommendations or conversations regarding the site it's seen all kinds of hands going up no let me ask Deb another question absolutely thank you Mr Braddock um is there at any point when the landfill is closed and then goes to an observation period that it could to be rezoned as a Conservancy Zone Conservancy District um it may be um it kind of it just kind of depends on that is so far in the future and the I think that what we need to take a look at too is you know when it gets to that date what will um the mpca allow uh and and the property owner Waste Management continues to own it so it would be private one of the things that has just come up as an example with this last review was the um the mpca has new guidelines for um I forget what the name of that is thank you exclusion zones so they put up fencing all over the place to keep people away from you know the areas where they could be exposed sometimes to some type of thing so that's great um but the way that they did it also would mean that if we can't get them to modify that or if that doesn't change when things are closed we wouldn't be able to get our Trails through and may not be able to use you know to put in our streets along the South and uh and the East so you know just depending with what is actually out there at the time that is a possibility to do it but we just would need to work with whatever the regulations are in that at that point in time thanks yes questions that's all you have Commissioners recommendations I would like to make a motion to recommend to the city council that they approve uh the comprehensive planned Amendment as a proposed in the red line draft and Maps made part of this presentation thank you and approve the rezoning of Outlet a to Conservancy PUD and rezoning of Lot 1 to General Industry PUD subject to the one condition all right we're motion made by commissioner Braddock I will second the motion second by commissioner Awad all in favor of this motion please signify by saying aye aye anyone oppose no it's going to end up on the consent agenda February 21st 5 30 here in City Hall thank you Miss Garros thank you and we'll move to the next item on our agenda which are updates any updates for you commissioners staff updates commission staff so last soul emissions here at the city presented their work plans to the city council and they have an opportunity to thank all of you volunteers for your excellent work and expertise so that work plan uh which we've seen before was approved um for your next meeting and so that'll be on February 27th uh two weeks from today I do want to note that we don't have zoning code updates on that particular meeting but we do have them coming so one of the things that will be happening in 2023 is that we're going to be transitioning from the end of our work with WSB as our consultant to do the zoning code updates and it'll be transitioning fully to staff LED zoning code updates so right now we're readjusting our timeline of uh when we'll be which as you know has been adjusted before when we'll be reviewing these ordinances and kind of getting into the public hearing phase so um the stage that we are at right now just for your information is the last time that we had WSB come in and speak to you about our changes we had mentioned that we are putting everything in into charts and kind of redoing the complete formatting of the the kind of main chapter parts of our zoning coordinates so that's residential business and Industrial districts so right now we have uh what is a soon to be final draft from our consultant of the residential chapter and as part of that we've combined all of our residential zoning districts into one new chapter within the city code so what this is going to do is it's going to be eliminating certain chapters um entirely they're being combined into one and then areas of General Provisions that would apply to all Residential Properties are now included in that residential chapter rather than as a second as right now are all of our general Provisions are a completely separate chapter in the city code so we're doing a lot of pretty significant cuts and things have had to be reviewed rather than as we had originally planned kind of chapter by chapter by chapter instead we've been reviewing all the chapters at once and cutting and pasting essentially everything into the new um table of contents and format before we can even work on actual revisions to the content of what we want to change as far as regulations so we have that soon to be final draft from them that is the new residential only chapter um we have given all of our internal development review team that reviews all of the development applications as well as kind of some other staff across the city about a month for them to provide comments on this last draft before it will be posted online again for all of the commissions and Zone and code task force to look at and then it will be brought forward for a final meeting at the Planning Commission um probably sometime either the end of March or beginning of April so we're still finalizing that schedule that won't be the public hearing date for that ordinance we'll have one that one meeting to discuss um the actual inaction of those revisions that we've been talking about with you before we um take in all of your kind of next round of feedback incorporate it and publish for the actual public hearing to adopt the new residential standards so that's kind of what's going on with zoning code update and we're kind of preparing now that we've done kind of that year of that roadblock of actually restructuring the ordinance with our consultant after that we're going to start moving in to all of the new chapters pretty quickly after that kind of phasing it in so I know that it's been a big talking point the last two years and and kind of limited actual visuals on the code but we're finally getting to a point where we can set up a schedule and and get to these chapters so I just wanted to give that update to you other than that I do not have any updates this evening do you have any tips nope that would be it all right thank you commissioner uh Ms Madden is was this a planned phasing to the staff or was this a determination of a contract uh no this is well it is um the original contract um was money that was set aside specifically for the zoning code update in the budget and that um continuance of money to be put into that pot for our department to utilize a consultant for the zoning code update was not approved in the 2023 budget so we do not have the funds to continue utilizing a consultant for it and so the zoning code update or sorry the city code update through the code review task force is done entirely by staff and has been this entire time it's been a staff and City attorney work so it's been the clerk's office primarily so we'll be transitioning to what they are doing where it's fully staff LED and um I guess for your information and you'll be seeing a lot more of our consultants for our development review side as we kind of move forward and change the way that we're processing our applications so I'll be running the zoning code updates as the kind of lead staff on it and then Deb and myself Kevin and our Consultants will be working on other review applications that the Planning Commission will see this year thanks for filling out my pleasure we're trying to simplify an ordinance that has been pieced together for decades so trying to get you know everything residential is here so people have more of a One-Stop type shop and it makes you know more sense more tables more illustrations those those kinds of things so yeah we're hoping so I think that's a good update we'll be looking forward to seeing more of it and we'll pay it we'll be coming we'll pay you with our appreciation thank you for all the work you're putting towards it actually will be a good good this product when all said and done so thank you um I also extending what uh Miss Madden was talking about that I did present in front of city council they really appreciate the work that we've done over the last year and they really enjoy coming watching the meetings and being able to see our dialogue they said we do a very good job of that and I would definitely second that we we are very vocal group and letting people know what our what our thoughts are as far as trying to come up with these recommendations and ensuring that everybody gets a full full breath of what we're voting on rather than just saying yay you're an a we tell them what we think and they they appreciate that greatly so with that it takes us to our next item on the agenda which is adjournment do I have a motion commissioner what I move that we adjourn moved by commissioner do I have a second thank you Mr Braddock second by commissioner Braddock all in favor please say aye aye thank you have a great night