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my office next week and then they will be submitted to the city council so tonight we will get going we're GNA start off with Paul C Paul good evening Paul Kuno facilities division manager and talk about the overall package for facilities and then hand off to the different Chiefs and directors to talk about their projects and be available for any questions so the facilities project or the facilities overall is at a little over 307 million a little under 307 million of that 243 million is Public Safety which is a combination of a new police HQ Fire Station 14 renovations to Station 8 and land acquisition design for station three and a new police training facility we have the under the municipal facility section we have both Parkway Services Fleet phase one that is where we will replace the fleet building as a first phase and then under phase two in 2029 hopefully look at a new Public Works building and then the land and acquisition for a new facilities Maintenance building and then finally we have just under $5 million for libraries to be spent at shimin par in hagard library so next up is Chief Dre thank you Paul hello mayor hello councel uh I am going to brief you on the police headquarters first uh as the first part of my presentation so our facility was uh first built in 1973 so uh it is uh uh getting to be pretty old as you can see uh the last expansion that we did was in 2014 when we added uh some additional space for property and evidence but there were no there was no more housing there were more there were no more um Personnel that could be added to the facility at that time uh and then Susan will be up here in the minute to talk about the the public safety communication side of the house okay so this is where the new police facility will be going that is at Parker and Elma in the southwest corner right across the street from a racetrack in What's called the hall track park right now about n a little over nine acres of that is for the police uh facility and then and the fire chief will be over Chris will be able to talk about the uh Chief bigger staff will talk about the fire facility that's next door to that in a minute as well so uh uh so so these are some of the things first the items that are not going to be replaced so the current Municipal Court the Raymond uh Robinson justice center will remain uh The Joint use 801 facility on Legacy will remain uh and with the Raymond Robinson justice center that also means that the jail will also uh not be moving with us uh to the new location uh and then uh of course our substation uh uh at Legacy West and the storefronts are will remain as well and then the Russian police substation of course it only opened a couple of years ago it will remain and then the EOC operation so we will uh be replacing the police headquarters our our we have an N storefront at Parker in Avenue K is what that one's talking about that one will go away uh we've got some a lease space in various places that will go away and uh uh of course Public Safety communication will come out of the basement of this building and be cooc with us we have got uh two investigative units just at the Children's Advocacy Center our special Victims Unit and our family violence unit would both be moving uh to headquarters not showing up there also is our narcotics operation is also off site and it will also be moving uh to the uh new facility as well so this is uh how the Staffing at the police department overall looked like back in 1973 uh We've grown quite a bit since then of course but uh uh we had some addition additional upgrades in 1981 when we were at 141 and then in 2003 uh and uh we're not showing the 214 the 2014 edition because again that was just property inevidence space uh so and then this is where our current Staffing is so after uh the new facil is built uh then uh we would be uh uh going to 382 police Personnel at the new facility uh plus an additional 95 uh PSC uh telecommunicators and staff uh and then this is what it's projected to look like in 20 years at 532 so uh so our biggest problems right now is as we talked about we have too many separate locations just disparate um uh uh locations across the city that are of no operational benefit the only reason that we have some of those folks in leas spaces because we don't have space to put them at the police headquarters that does not as I said account that does not include the two n stations that are out west in Shops of Legacy and Legacy West those would remain uh so we're paying uh uh over 85,000 a year in uh lease spaces and then it would also provide more uh protection for some of our very big expensive vehicles like the one that you saw outside here uh this afternoon so we bring most of our Personnel back into the same building uh uh we've got some situations where our supervisors and commanders for units are in one location and then their personnel are on another part of the building or in a completely different building just makes for some operational inefficiencies that we can clean up with uh this new facility and uh uh Miss Carr will be up to talk about 911 and then I will be back to talk about the academy good evening I'm Susan Carr your director of 911 Public Safety Communications and I'm here to talk about moving and collocating in the police headquarters building so as you know all know we are currently located in the basement of this building and we want to move to the new police headquarter building it's going to provide us a little more of a secure facility um for we have shift workers that come in around the clock um several of them come in on their own around 11:00 p.m. 3:00 a.m. and they're coming in in the north and south parking lot um by themselves so it provides a additional security that parking lot at the new PD building would be a secured parking facility so they'd be able to come and go in a secured area um my team has run across some homeless folks in the parking lot and it we there's cameras but that doesn't really do any good until after the fact or in after something's happening so U we're looking at uh some security for them additionally as you guys remember when you had to evacuate this facility about a year ago my team had to evacuate as well and when they're evacuating we have a lot of backups and redundancies in place but um while we're moving to our alternate site across town uh Richardson police department is answering our telephones for us and they're relaying our calls for service via radio we have a radio Channel That's assigned for that but it creates a small delay in getting field responders dispatched in those circumstances so we want to make sure that 911 Personnel are always in place at a facility um Prim you know either their primary or their backup site and available to get field responders to go to the locations um there are going to be operational efficiencies to be gained if we move into the police department um we perform a lot of work in coordination with the real-time crime Center and then with Patrol officers as well nothing nothing will be lost to my fire friends as we move into a police building but um we it does offer us opportunity for operational efficiencies to be gained as well and then also we if we when we move into if we can move into a new center we'd be looking at um some productivity improvements with the layout of our floor our furniture isn't like your furniture at home that that you can just pick up and reconfigure on its own so this would give us an opportunity to have some better workflow in our Dispatch Center and in our floor and then finally the last thing is that not enough can be said about natural light um there you know it's all fluorescence or we put some Cann lights in downstairs but my team are looking at seven and eight monitors and the glare they're getting off with the lights is I've got migraine sufferers and others so um with think that natural light could help that and you know there's always that little serotonin boost that could help uh reduce some of the stress and the stressful calls that they're taking so really that's all I have for you tonight if you have any questions I will hand it back to the chief to talk about the training center thank you Susan and we will uh gladly have our dispatch folks in our operation with us because I agree with Susan there are some operational efficiencies we can get from that on the training academy I talked to you briefly about this a couple of weeks ago two or three weeks ago uh it was built in 1990 so also getting uh a little old the facility itself the building itself has never been renovated during that time we do have the uh the range out there that uh Indoor Range was built uh more recently but the building itself uh has never been renovated uh so we've increased our staffing quite a bit as you saw in the previous slide uh that impacts our um training facility right now we're having to go and and use Oak Point and uh some uh School District facilities and other places to hold some of our training um because we just don't have the space out there to be able to do that and we are running the BAC out there and uh uh and one of the things that's that you should know about our Academy is we're under a um a two3 uh onethird uh uh op operation with the City of Richardson so so uh we cover two-third of the cost they cover oneir of the cost that would be the case with this Bond referendum um Karen's already worked out with them they've already talked to their folks it would be the same way that we paid off or the same way that they paid the city of Plano back for the range what 20 years ago uh Karen yeah and uh uh so it be be payback over time so that's how that would work uh we are training some other cities out there but whether you whether you're training five recruits or 25 recruits it just puts some limitations on your facility out there and uh that's what we're seeing uh with the with the BAC and we do not want to move away from training our own officers uh we definitely want to continue to do that but we need we need space to be able to do it so of course the new building will enhance the quality of our training uh we can get the latest technology uh in our um in our in our classrooms and um um we would have to modify the driving pad really redo the driving pad that's out there the guys will have to drive in a different direction uh but that is included in the cost of the new facility um uh the new bill and and it will be more economical to um to do a new bill well the new bill is going to cost more obviously but we think over time it's going to be a better value for the money we're going to get more for every dollar that we spend doing it on a new bill as opposed to uh trying to renovate the current facility okay and chief bigger staff will take it from here good evening thank you for the opportunity to talk about uh the three projects that uh we're looking at for this year we're going to start with Station 14 um it is Chief dra already showed you the location there at Park and Alma and uh that's that's a a perfect location for for the area that we're looking to address with with that uh with Station 14 so um here's some reasons why we're looking at at session 14 and that is uh from 2014 to 23 we saw over a 50% increase in in emergency calls and so if you dig down a little deeper on where those calls are located the M uh the two busiest stations we have are stations one and two you can see there they're significantly busier than than the other stations and so U Station 14 if if we were to get it would be actually uh directly in between both of those of our busiest districts and so um one of the the benefits to have a Station 14 in that location is it would it would provide uh coverage that that kept uh kept us from having to to bring other apparatus to cover station one and station two as you can see here uh on the the graph that just gives you the top five units that had to come into into station one and station two's District med 3 uh was the highest and it was 612 times in 2023 they came there so you can picture that if you pull them out of station 3's district and that leaves that one open it's kind of a Nino effect we can't prevent that alog together but but whenever you if you do that enough it begins to affect your your coverage and your response times another reason we looked at that area is because in 2020 when they did the census there was 17,200 people there and it's estimated by 2034 there'll be 24,400 people there with the the increase from Colin Creek and and Heritage Creek Side and with the more people there become uh comes more emergency calls as well that's the location again and so the districts are outlined in Black right there and so you can see the in pink or I mean in purple down there the station one's district and station two's district and we have outline there in between those would be the the district that Station 14 would cover all those black dots and there represent emergency calls that took place when we did this study in in 2022 that took place there now there was a lot more emergency calls than that because if it was if there was more than one call in that location it just shows one dot for that you can see down towards the the where the mall is and that that uh Alma Plano Parkway area there was a lot of emergency calls in that area so um the total for that station or that area would have been 2472 calls in 2022 and uh that would put you the sixth busiest station in the city so that's right in the middle of our 13 uh stations there and one area that really helps us though is when you look at uh the what it does to stations one and station two they're like I said those are by far our busiest stations it would pull 1458 calls off of station one and then another 769 off of station two it would do a little bit of uh in station four and station six can see that as well but our two busiest uh stations were uh it would help us manage the number of calls that that are going on in that area this is my favorite slide on the Station 14 slide because you've probably heard me say many times one of things we focus on there is we want to get there quick do good work show compassion this this really affects that getting their quick part our average response time is 5 minutes and 40 seconds and as you can see in the purple hexagons there um you're going to save somewhere you know between three and four minutes of response time by having a Station 14 there and you look at the area right around 14s and that just makes sense there's a station closer there but then when you look down to that same area where the mall used to be in the uh uh the Plano Parkway in Alma area where a lot of emergency calls take place you also save that same three to four minutes there because right now it's in kind of a no man's land for station one and two and and it takes a takes a pretty good while for one of those units to get there so what would be place there at that station would be a med unit and a and an engine and again for the purposes to help with the coverage for that area reduce the the responses for those two units and help with the response time the second thing we were looking at is a station significant Station 8 remodel Station 8 if you're not familiar with it is uh is at hedge Coes and Robinson Road and uh it's been there for 30 years and has never had a major renovation so it's got quite a few things that that you'll see on the next two slides that are things that that uh need to be done there but probably the most significant benefit for us is that second point there where we provide additional Bays um as we uh try to forecast what we'll need in the future if we continue to see an increase in emergency calls we anticipate at some point station 8's District would need an ambulance they don't have an ambulance there now and they don't have space for an ambulance if we have two bays both of those are already occupied by an engine and a truck so we anticipate the the need at some point for there this would allow for extra Bay space for that and also for apparatus storage inside rather than than outside for our Reserve apparatus it would also provide bedroom space um for the additional Personnel that would have to be there to staff the uh the the um ambulance so I'm going to move on to the the third one there and that would just be a land acquisition for a new station three uh station three is 48 years old um a lot of infrastructure needs in it but also for us one of the things that's changed during that time is the size of the apparatus that we buy now it's much larger than it was when they built this station so we actually have apparatus that won't fit in this station this would allow us to to have more Bays larger bays and operationally would would uh would help us in that respect all right any questions okay thank you good evening I'm Abby Owens director of Public Works um there was a mixup in the slides that got uploaded for Council packets so I do do have printed copies of the slides you have a here of the pass Mr Mayor I have a question with regard to the um the the uh land acquisition for the chief for the chief staff yeah Chief we come back down real quickly go ahead we can hear you yeah so I I just want to know the last slide with regard to um the 48y old um as fire station um you it it says on the on the title that you you plan on uh purchasing land land acquisition as well as remodeling so are you planning on acquiring the land that's adjacent to the the fire uh fire station or what's the plan there uh mayor protm this is Mark uh we have as you know uh in close proximity some land and Facilities with PISD um part of what we have is is an agreement um on that that we are looking at it is the potential that part of that land that we secure from PISD Which is less than a quarter mile away from um uh from Fire Station 3 could be used uh towards that purpose so we we have set aside um some of that discussion because we have not closed quite yet on the property we've come to agreement but have not closed uh and we do not have direction from Council on that quite yet but for that we have um focused on that and so that is part of the uh discussion that we have is the act quisition a part of that PISD land for that purpose I see and that would be part of the bomb referendum is that correct that's correct it would be repaying the uh land bank that we have got it thank you thank you thank you okay so I was going to highlight uh for Public Works what we've done is we worked with a consultant to evaluate the current site that we're at the Public Works operation includes water sewer streets traffic drainage Fleet and also our ID waste operation all out in this one campus um this campus was constructed in 1979 with a few additional different additions to the fleet building um the challenge that we really have at this moment is the Bays there we don't have enough Bays to do work on our larger equipment and the ceilings aren't tall enough as well so we Engage The Services of a consultant to assist us in evaluating one could we stay on the site and if we could could we just renovate the buildings that are there or would that going to take away from the um space that we have for parking and storage of other vehicles um and then what would be some recommendations to get to the square footage and um site design needs that we needed and after evaluating it was determined that we could stay on site and we wouldn't need to separate all of Public Works into two operations but we would need to adjust the location so this is what that study had shown and for the public works operations piece of the building we currently have about 40,000 square ft and over the next 20 years we need closer to 45,000 the majority of if there is any growth in public work staff is going to be more in field-based staff and that just means that we're going to have to have additional vehicles with the people not necessarily square footage office space there is some increase for Fleet operations we currently have 17 Bays not all of the Bays have um ceilings that are really high enough for what we need for operations and so this would also increase the number of Bays that we would have up to approximately 24 is what we're looking to do Parks is currently on a section of our site and I'll show you where that is and we've been working really close to our parks department to identify what their needs are and their needs are a little bit less square footage than they have now but a little bit more of the actual storage outside and overall our biggest hindrance is uh parking and that parking challenge is mostly because we don't have enough for p personal vehicles plus all the fleet vehicles that we have as I mentioned it's Solid Waste it's our um backos and all of the truck vehicles and crew crabs that we have so that's one of our really our biggest challenge and what hinders us from just renovating existing sites so here's some just quick photos you could see inside of our Fleet building um obviously on the left is a fire apparatus and on our right is a jet truck and these as you can see they're very close to the ceiling whenever it's on a lift or if we're trying to extend one of the um Appliance apparatuses on that jet truck there's just a lot of challenges with inside of the buildings same thing on fire we would prefer to have the ladder up and then fully open the cab but inside of the building when we're doing work on when our technicians are working on them they can't fully open in that top like they would need to and then this is one of our examples of our parking this is at the end of a shift um there are not striped parking next to this building on the left that's actually a car wash bay and then on the right you'll see that we are often double parking a lot of our vehicles which means that we've got to make sure some Vehicles get out first before we can send the next ones out and the bottom shows our Public Works overflow parking and storage area this is just like a gravel lot where we have storage but also you can see where there are dump trucks parked there's excavators and backos and pieces that are parked there because we don't have enough parking up near close to the building so the proposal is to with our current outlay um layout on the top you'll see is our Public Work storage and overflow parking that's the area I just showed you where we had dump trucks and um backos parked below that is where Parks maintenance is currently and we are looking to work with them to relocate them to another location and also make improvements to that location for their operational needs right through the middle of our operation is a Encore easement which prevents us from doing any sort of construction there but we could fully utilize it for parking and outside storage Public Works main operations building is on the bottom with the fleet operations on the right we're proposing moving that Fleet operations to the top left corner and so it would provide additional parking it would add the additional Bays that are needed we would then in a future Bond look to demo the old Fleet building and build the Public Works building on that site so we could then fully utilize the site and all of the parking then improved surfaces that would be there for us and if you don't have any questions oh okay once again Paul Quin facilities the manager I actually get to talk to you about this project owner this is for my team they've been currently working out of the old animal shelter building next to the police training and this is partnered with station three assuming station three and facilities maintenances for that same parcel of land struggles we have we definitely do not have enough storage for all the materials to support the buildings we're renting you know rental spaces you know roll up rental spaces to store all our extra stuff and um we need much better locker rooms for our guys so it's pretty simple project buy the land fund the design and then stage it for 20129 Bond presumably any questions next is liby hope all right oh that's so bright good evening um so I'm just here to share about your libraries we have five libraries at class Plano two of them were renovated in the 2017 Bond so we're here to talk about the other three tonight and we saw over 1.7 million visitors last year so our libraries are well used and could use a little updates it's the same items for each location so we're talking about shim finic ha um Haggard and Par libraries we'd like to uh renovate bathrooms and make them more accessible um refresh finishes paint remove wall covering um renovate bathrooms and add study Pods at all locations we found when we added study pods to the other two Renovations from 2017 they're very well utilized by the public so that is part of our ask so bathrooms study pods and refesh refresh finishes any questions thank you any questions regarding the the presentations all right let's move on to uh item three the dart presentation Miss Lee sorry I didn't mean to hit the microphone good evening everyone um I'm nen Lee I'm the president and CEO of Dart and I'm pleased to be here to give you an update on um Dart and uh Dart in the city of Plano so um and by the way I want to compliment you on your renovated uh Council room because it is impressive and beautiful um so let me just start I'm gonna try to navigate this I it's so impressive and beautiful that you have this great technology so um here we go all right so um I'm going to just cover the current state of Dart in Plano and then talk a little bit about future plans in Plano and what we have in store uh systemwide for uh for Dart okay so let me just start out by talking a little bit about Plano services and by the way I understand we have limited time today so I'll try to blast through uh this 5,000 slides deck that I have um for you today so um first of all let me just talk a little bit about the services in Plano um currently we have about eight bus routes in the city of Plano um seven of those are seven of those are local routes and one of them is an express route and um just in our uh second quarter numbers we had about 161,000 uh boardings on those eight bus routes we also have uh in Plano uh two Light Rail lines that serve the city of Plano both the red and the orange line um orange line only serves weekday Peak periods um but right now we're carrying on a quarterly basis we carried about 200,000 boardings in the second quarter and then we also have six go link zones in the city of Plano uh there were about 62,000 boardings in the second quarter as well and so um there are a number of services let me talk a little bit about ridership in Plano because I think that tells an interesting and um very important story about what's happening in Plano so um first of all total ridership in Plano um on a quarterly basis is about at 88% at pre-pandemic just in the city of Plano which is ahead of the rest of the system just so you know um and I think it's really good to show these numbers uh on this slide that you see before you you have in the blue our bus ridership on a quarterly basis in the red is the light rail ridership green is go link and then the gold color is Paratransit and so you can see that um on a quarterly basis we're um start you know like I said we're about at 88% of pre pandemic and so it's a good story to tell I think you know the the country um on a country on a US basis our uh ridership return since the pandemic is only at about 76% so uh again we're ahead of uh the national average we're also ahead um in system ahead of the system as a whole um what I think is interesting about this slide is you can see in the blue bars that the bus ridership uh since Q3 of fy20 has been steadily growing you know just incrementally growing likewise uh rail ridership is kind of doing the same thing it's not growing a lot um but the green that you see which is go link has grown pretty significantly uh particularly in the last couple of years and so there's increasing use of go link on the system and then Paratransit has stayed largely the same this next slide is just showing you one of the many GL link zones that are in the city of Plano I like to show these heat Maps because it gives you a sense of uh where people are using go link where are they coming from where are they going to um and so the the the heat map uh shown in red uh you can see it in the lower left corner there Northwest Plano parking ride that's probably the site that gets the most use for go link um but you can see that the various places where people are going on go link range from you know Apartments to destinations uh like a retail place like Walmart um and other commercial areas uh there are employment locations like JP Morgan um but you can see the apartment so there there are always a lot of questions about you know do we have any residents in our city who are actually using the service and the answer is yes you do you have some people in apartments who are using the go link service and so one of the greatest things about go link is that we actually know a lot more about the writers who use go link so you can see from here and we do by the way we can share this with you later but we have other Maps other heat maps of our other go link zones that we would love to provide to you after this presentation so that you can kind of look at the other five go link zones there's been a lot of talk about security cleanliness and reliability and I think um we really at Dart we've been uh focusing a lot on these three attributes of service because we know that service quality is has a direct correlation to our ridership so since um a couple years ago we've been working really hard to improve Security on the system um we have a new security strategy which we'll be happy to share with you um but what we've done in the last year is we've added 100 Transit Security offers officers to our system to ride the light rail to patrol some of the areas um that are served by both Rail and bus uh to ride our buses uh to look at our transfer centers and really just to provide the surveillance on the system um we also of course have security cameras um we have our multi-disciplinary response team that has been in place for about a year to try to address uh folks who are in cognitive crisis on our system and and try to intercept them and provide them services or try to help them find Services um and then we've added a lot to our cleaning regimen on our system to make sure that we're cleaning while the vehicles are in service and so when people see that they also uh they have also recognized that having somebody in uniform cleaning up during Service uh helps them you know have a better sense of security as well so that was kind of a value ad there um we are also full up on our operators this is unusual for the country where um we have enough operators to deliver more than 99% of our scheduled service which has really improved reliability on the system and so um the combination of all of these things are designed to try to improve the quality of the service on all of our services across the entire space spectrum because we know that if if passengers feel more secure if they feel like we they can count on us if they have more confidence in the system then they're more likely to Rite it and this Bears out in our customer satisfaction ratings you can see here that over the last few years um our customer satisfaction rating had actually dipped to an all-time low in 2022 that was shortly after I arrived um and since then it has steadily grown and so we've gone from a low of 58% overall customer satisfaction in 2022 and we're now at 72% we're not quite as high as we've been in the past but uh to me we're at least on the upward trajectory which is uh hopefully a good news story for folks as far as future plans go uh we did adopt a new strategic plan in June of this year and it's called point B and the main point of point B is to find ways to leverage Dart as a strategic economic and Mobility asset for this region and that goes from for every single City that we serve we want to be the thing that distinguishes you from the other cities in this region and we want to be that service that everybody wants to use we have a new mission and vision um being first in mind that's really important because obviously in a very car or truck Centric location it's very hard for people to imagine um trying to use Transit Transit to get to their destination but we think it's very important to be to be good for our passengers and give them that confidence that if they uh need to go someplace they can ride uh they can certainly ride DART to do that also our mission statement uh best-in-class Mobility experiences that help people and communities connect and flourish the important piece about this is that we provided the why of what we're doing like why are we doing this why do we want to create best-in-class Mobility experience and it's because we want to help people and communities so that's a really important aspect of what we're doing uh strategic goals we have six they're arranged in three different buckets the first bucket is focused on our agency and creating the organizational efficiencies uh that help make us better uh we want to deliver on the potential of our staff and it's extremely important in the context of um constant scrutiny of government uh organizations that we try to do the best we can for the resources that we have and that we deliver that value for people uh we have another bucket which is about the customer and focusing on customer Centric goals making sure that we provide a quality service and we provide that seamless connectivity so that people actually can ride DART to wherever they need to go and then the third is really leveraging resources and creating relationships so that we can deliver more for the resources that we have and that's a collective uh set of resources that we want to take advantage of um this is a little bit of of a word heavy slide but um we have worked with the mayor and um Mr israelson to talk about the vision for Plano and how dark can help serve that Vision um so a lot of the centers around the work that you all are doing on what I understand now now is the Big 10 not the big seven you have a number of developments coming online in the coming years um and we want to be a part of making sure that when those things come online that we're not inducing the type of travel demand that you can't actually accommodate right that you need additional capacity and we we think that D can actually help you provide that capacity and also create the environment where where people don't have to drive to get to where they want to go and so our objective is to work very closely with Mr isson and his team to make sure that we provide the accommodations and the uh services that uh would actually benefit your uh your developments in addition uh obviously we need to take care of our house too we have a system modernization program it's known as Dart transform and the the big initiatives uh within Dart transform it's a$2 and a half billion dollar program um it includes the replacement of our Rolling Stock our Fleet um the bus and the Railside um it includes updating our facilities you all just talked about your bond program or your proposed Bond program obviously we have the same needs we have to uh take care of our house um in order to provide better services for everyone and so that's the objective behind our Dart transform program I like to show this slide because when we talk about seamless Mobility it's really helpful for you all to see what the vision is um on the left side you can see what our existing network is today the lines in red are our frequent um Services uh and you can see as we transition um from the left to the right uh that we're increasing the number of red lines on this map and the whole idea there is to increase the frequencies on a number of our lines so that we can continue to um make it possible for people to take transit at any time because having to wait uh 15 minutes or 30 minutes or an hour can be quite quite some time and could deter people from writing um this slide just simply says that we're partnering with the Legacy connect um transportation management association um to look at uh what the transportation needs are in the Legacy area um here we have I know I'm blasting through this but I know we have limited time um so here we want to talk about seamless mobility and the mobility hubs that we want to create um in all of our cities where we can actually integrate and aggregate a number of different types of Mobility Services transportation services so that people can actually get to their final destination um while we're at it uh we think it's really important to talk about the waiting experience because we know that in the Texas Heat waiting for a ride can be just as important as the ride itself so we have actually partnered with the University of uh Texas at Arlington architecture school to create these prototype shelters that we are currently testing um we have five of them deployed throughout the um service area uh one of them is actually in Plano at hedgcock and um Preston and so uh feel free to go out there and check it out and um and let us know what you think about it silver l line um I I think uh this should go without saying silver line is super exciting um of course it connects Plano to DFW so we're really excited about that and uh it's about it's over 80% complete at this point the construction in fact I just drove past the 12th Street Station on my way here tonight um and we are going to open next year um I know the staff cringes whenever I say that um but we're going to open next year here's some pictures from the Silver Line This is Shiloh station um I'm not going to go through much about these but you know they are pretty pictures and we like to show finished construction this one's not finished it's the equipment maintenance facility um this one just broke ground recently um and uh we're excited to see that take shape um that will be the maintenance facility for our new vehicles which are currently residing on the west end of the corridor um continuing uh just outside of downtown here's the 12th Street Station that I just mentioned to you and then um and this is actually in combination with the 12th Street Station this is actually the 12th uh the area that's the infill Light Rail station so if you've been on the train uh you will actually go past a a a station that's currently under construction and that is this particular station and then just really quick fantastic spaces um this is really trying to find ways to leverage uh both our land and to the extent that you all want to partner with us uh land that you own adjacent to our stations that so that we can create better uh better spaces and activate the space and make them much more productive for the community as well as for the city uh this is just an example of the uh types of projects that we have we have three locations um within the city of Plano where uh you can see on here there's a low utilization of the parking at these locations so we think that there's a better use of this space and then of course strategic relationships I mean the whole point here is just to make sure that we leverage all resources pool our resources so we can do more together and that is it I'm going to take a breath now I'll be happy to answer any questions any questions you have you you got to use the oh you did good job Anthony good job you're up I learned quickly mayor now we we had excellent training from Miss Henderson earlier so thank you thank you for that and thank thank you uh Miss Lee for that great presentation and it's it's exciting to know about the steps Dart is taking uh to move forward I I did want to uh um outline some things that that obviously Plano and dart have been discussing and uh hopefully find some common ground so that then we can work together on on Solutions uh addressing the uh ernston young study that was commissioned by Dart which we greatly appreciate um that found that uh Plano uh is paying in about $19.6 million per year to the system and that the cost of service delivery in Plano uh in in fiscal year 2023 was about $ 44.6 million which obviously is $65 million less than uh plano's contribution I guess F first of all does Dart agree that those numbers are accurate so um so I think you're aware that Dart did not participate in um in that study in terms I mean we provided data and information but we didn't um we didn't actually opine on the methodology um and in fact the city managers from the 13 service area cities did so um we we have some questions about the methodology we've only just gotten the methodology so we're just unpacking it right now so I can't say right now if I agree or disagree with it um I do know that obviously uh you know the study you know reports out on revenues and expenses right um so it's a little bit different than value so um so I guess to your point or to your question um you know we sat down with mayor muns and Mr isson last week and we had some conversations about what Plano the city of Plano would like to see and I know that the board chair Gary slagel is going to start on that conversation with the board tomorrow and we're going to have a workshop about this very Topic in January well and thank you in advance for for having that Workshop um I guess um if those numbers are accurate would would Dart agree that that um represents a problem that we would need to work together to find a solution for so I I mean I think the way I would respond to that is that you know obviously um that is a snapshot in time that's based on FY 23 numbers um and I think the um the balance of you know revenues and expenses changes from year to year certainly uh you know next year I guess it would be the year after when the Silver Line opens that number is going to change too and so I think the board is looking for a way to address those concerns and those issues um in a way that can be Equitable uh no matter who the donor or the Don uh situation will be at any given time and so that's it's challenging right because we're talking about you know like how far back do you go and and that sort of thing and and thank you for that and I I completely recognize that is there any reason to believe though that the situation has been materially different in Prior years I understand going forward you know we're looking forward to having the Silver Line uh come online but uh is there any reason to believe that that has not been kind of the status quo for a while um so the question I think is how how how long has that status quo been um because I think if we went back far enough in time and I don't know how far um I think we would find that you know some of the other cities might have been the um might have been considered the donor cities instead of what they are today so because I think it has changed over time I mean I think I think the point that we uh recognize is that things have changed over time right I mean the city of Plano has been very diligent about creating opportunities to generate sales tax revenue and things like that as have a number of the other cities and so things change right I mean 40 years ago things were very different sure C certainly things were different uh 40 years ago um I guess you know I I wanted to ask you know if if we assume that that is in fact the situation and you know is if if there's a reason we should be looking at that ernston young study with skepticism you know I'd love to hear that but I I haven't heard one yet um you know does Dart have any idea how that imbalance uh came to be I so again um we only just got the methodology so um I think once we have a chance to review the methodology and ask um ey why a number of questions I think we'll have a lot more clarity around that so I apologize that I can't answer that question right now um but certainly it's not for uh lack of desire to want to understand it better okay well and and thank you for that commitment to to understand it better and I'm hoping in the near future after Dart digs into that methodology we can we can have a further discussion about that um does Dart have thoughts on a general Mobility Program that would uh return 25% of of say plano's contribution to Plano for uh Transit related infrastructure like streets and sidewalks that are obviously you know part of part and parcel of uh the transportation that Dart is a part of the transportation ecosystem I guess you could say I think Dart is interested in um you know ensuring that whatever dollars we have get used for the appropriate uses Allowed by 452 and to advance transportation in recognition of the fact that we have 20 you know like sorry in 20 years we're going to have 50% more people right so um I don't think the need for better transportation is going to go away and so the question then becomes how are those funds best spent and I also wanted to to touch on something that uh you alluded to which is population growth and demographic changes obviously one of the most significant changes uh since 1983 when Dart was founded is that uh Dart service area boundaries are are you know not really contiguous with you know the extent of major population centers in in the Dallas area anymore you know it used to be when I was a kid growing up in Plano you know Frisco Allen and mckenny were small towns right and and certainly farther north than that was was you know farms and and so um now those are big cities and when you're traveling from Plano to a destination on Dart you can really only go south Southeast or Southwest right even with the Silver Line opening you know that's going to be kind of Southwest toward DFW um some cities in Dart service area can uh go every direction you know leaving their city in any direction on Dart and I suspect that that's part of the reason for the um imbalance that the ernston young study found that um you know there are a lot of trips that one would take from Plano that you can't take on Dart because uh they would leave Dart service area and so um I was wondering what your thoughts were on Dart entering into ilas uh with cities to the north of Plano um possibly even entirely at Dart expense to deliver services from Plano uh to adjacent cities um that might help to deliver more value to Plano residents because then you could go more directions from Plano on Dart yeah so thank you for for all of that because I and I appreciate your your view towards the future because um I came from Los Angeles where there are very decentralized activity centers throughout Los Angeles County which makes it very difficult to provide you know a really good core uh you know rail system um bus less so bus is much easier to deploy um and so as I look into the future in this region I'm increasingly concerned that um that our we have limitations because of the way the infrastructure was envisioned back in the day and so because things have been changing I do think there's some value in looking at how we um ensure that there's connectivity um you know to the north even Beyond Plano right um I think some exciting things that are happening um Richardson is a great um sort of Hub um that's kind of forming out of um kind of the way we've done our system in the past um Carolton is becoming a great Hub um I don't think there's any uh real opposition to um to working with the the what we call the 14th City Visa the transit 2.0 study um so that's just the city's right outside of our service area I don't think there's any real opposition to working with them um to provide services um not really at the expense of our current service area cities but to work with them on how we can actually provide that connectivity that I think helps serve the Planos the Carolton the Irvings of the world um the rets um to make sure that we um you know get people connected in so that they don't have to drive into your city I hope um and then making sure V the the mobility hubs that I talked about a little bit ago um making sure that once they get to your city they have a way to connect back to their final destination so that again so that they're not driving through your city and um congesting your city streets well thank thank you for that response and just a a final comment I I would make is that I think when you look at cities to the north of Plano I think one of the the reasons that uh cities are perhaps not clamoring to join Dart is uh even before ernston young put a number on it I think we've kind of known that uh Plano is is uh subsidizing other parts of the system and not receiving an investment in Plano that's commensurate to plano's investment in Dart and I I think that cities to the north of us are probably looking at that value proposition and it's not looking very enticing which obviously is going to be a problem for the whole region you know because uh population does not end at plano's Northern boundary uh anymore you know to the extent that it ever certainly you know Colin county is is growing and booming and so I I think there's got to be a solution to that but I I think there can't be a solution to that until the value proposition for a city like Plano changes and one thing I would suggest is that given that Plano appears to be subsidizing the system uh at least in that snapshot in FY 2023 by $65 million that you know some of that subsidy could be used to uh entice connections to the north so anyway I just wanted to yeah put that idea out there no thank you for that um there are some thought like very preliminary thoughts around how we try to capture um some revenue from people who are coming in from the north and using the services that you all and and the whole service area have paid for so um you know we're thinking about that and the beauty of technology is that that's possible these days you know 10 years ago that was probably not possible so we are looking at that to see if there are any ways that we can capture some revenues there well thank you for your openness to that and then I would just encourage you to really look at that General Mobility Program to return some funds to Plano and sorry I know I had a number of questions thank you Anthony I'm I'm trying to get everybody else absolutely question Shelby uh thank you Miss Lee um kind of along the lines of what councilman ricelli was talking about with our uh neighbors to the north principally um and really no other cities have wanted to join Dart in decades um what are you doing to try to make uh the system and the value proposition to those cities more enticing um because we kind of at the corner of the map even with the ernston young study um you know being 65 some odd million dollars underwater I think that's I think the real picture is exacerbated a little bit because even from the writers ship we do have uh a lot of it's coming from our neighbors to the north and when the Silver Line comes online just because it cuts through a sliver of Plano I think we're going to be getting writers attributed to Plano which aren't really in Plano and not really to the benefit of Plano and it's very difficult to capture that um and so never mind are we getting traffic mainly on the parking ride in the light rail from our area neighbors who are not dark member cities but um even the services we have in Plano uh aren't well utilized I would say we have I think you said eight bus bus routes in Plano um and I see that I'm glad to see go link increasing in proportion for post-pandemic ridership it's one of the aspects of Dart that um works best but um out of those eight bus routes how much of the bus ridership which is still significantly down compared to pre- pandemic how much of the bus ridership is attributable to the park and ride versus the other routes um because we everybody driving around uh Plano can see the empty buses I saw an empty bus drive past a person who was waiting for a bus uh last month um but how well first for the bus routes um okay I'm sorry I I tried to follow your question so um so you asked about um how many how much of the ridership is attributable to the park and ride the express bus oh the express um Rob I have I have an esteemed colleague here who can probably answer that question off the top of his head yes Rob Smith vice president of service planning and scheduling for Dart very little of the bus ridership in Plano is attributable to the parking rides although you've got some transfer activity at Parker Road station as an example actually most of the Plano ridership is coming to or from Dallas about 68% of the transit ridership is tour from Dallas Richardson is the next largest percentage and a small amount from Garland uh and the northern cities before the pandemic contributed a much larger percentage but in the most recent Cog survey it was about seven or 8% that were coming into the dart service area to ride okay then my final question in the I want to let councilwoman Homer okay well um I'll I'll leave it for now with the question about what is Dart doing to try to attract additional member cities to the network especially for those of us on the fringes of the system yeah well it's funny you asked that because I actually have a meeting with the city of McKenna this week so um so we're starting those conversations I think much like the work that we would want to do with our existing service area cities we want to understand what their transportation need is so that we could figure out how we pull together a package that actually could be attractive to them I'm not starting from the perspective of you must join or else we can't serve you I my perspective is that you know they have some Transportation needs right now um we may be able to help them by allowing them a Contracting mechanism to provide you know a go link service or something like that obviously we would not pay for that ourselves because that would be using your funds and everyone else's funds to pay for a service so we would ask them to pay for it just like they do right now because we do work with them uh the mck mcken um Urban I'm trying to remember what the acronym is but Urban uh not Urban Transit District but um but mcken does have an arrangement with us currently to use our Contracting authority to to uh help provide some of the services now we have a policy uh a board policy 3.07 that um allows us to do that for any of our non-service area cities for up to three years at which time they have to make a decision if they're going to join Dart or not um but that's you know to me I'm much more interested in in allowing them the the the mechanism for providing the service hopefully so that we can get people connected in Via a service that they're paying for um so that it's not um using up the services that that you all have contributed to paying for so um so that's where I'm going to start um that's that's the interest I have and making sure that we can help them get their services up and running and then we can make arrangements later on if they should decide to join but in the meantime they will pay for those services in full so that it's not taking away from the services that we provide today that's all for now thank you thank you I'm going to start the regular meeting and the come back to you in just just a few minutes oh okay if you don't mind just up to you come okay I now declare that the Plano city council is reconvened in an open session that all members are present with the exception of council member Casey Prince and um mayor protim Maria 2 and council member Rick Smith we'll begin tonight's regular meeting with the invocation led by Reverend Dr Victor Coleman senior pastor pastor of Messiah Lutheran Church and the Pledge of Allegiance and Texas pledge followed by holiday music provided by the legacy of Harmony chorus would you all please stand if you can Heavenly Father we thank you for your presence with us here this evening we thank you for this wonderful city of Plano in which we live we thank you for the love and care give to our city council members and to our city and to all of us here tonight we ask your blessings on all of the decisions that our city council members make tonight to serve you and to serve the people of Plano give them wisdom and understanding to meet the needs of your people here in Plano continue to give us all opportunities to serve you and to make a difference for you in this special City in which we live as we pray in the powerful name of Jesus amen amen to the flag United States of americais r under of jingle jingle jingle jingle jingle jingle jingle jingle jingle jingle [Music] jingle bell jingle bell jingle [Music] he a dried anding [Music] [Music] [Applause] I have come on come yeah you guys are the first thank you guys so much really appreciate it thank you thank you yeah great job [Applause] okay we're we're going to come back to uh the dark presentation and I'm going to let my mayor protim who's uh on Zoom uh ask any questions or comments Maria yes I I'm here na I'm I'm gonna be pretty blunt so um I I understand that um at this point Dar is talking with city of Plano but just like um what Anthony is talking about and what Shelby is talking about um I think the council members are all very very concerned that we are um at this point in our uh economic growth and development that we are pretty much put at a disadvantage due to the fact that we are part of the dark member team and that I'm sure was not the intent in the beginning when um this was discussed and dark becoming a partner with city of Plano so it has to be addressed and let me look at it from a criminal perspective and I'll let the other council members address other perspective but I I wanted to specifically talk about the criminal perspective now first of all um because the recent um because of I guess after covid there's been an increase of um train rides in which first of all empty trains with a lot of um issues with regard to sanit San sanitary with regard to safety with regard to transient in which is causing um people who are not used to taking the D train to be even more cautious in taking a d train there are no supervision at parking lots there are no um gar rail at the parking lots in which creates um a place and venue in which um crimes Can U can occur and and I'm not just speaking out of air um I am a criminal defense lawyer I see and I get appointed to multiple type of um offenses in which that's related to specifically to train stations and um a lot of it has to do with with um Criminal Trespass and it has to do with a mental health issue um individuals and um as for our residents con uh really making complaints about why we're constantly um repairing roads um from east to west well the reason why we're constantly repairing roads from east to west is because there is no transportation that um satisfy meets the need of our residents from east to west and from west to east and so we are contributing a majority of our U Economic Development funds as a matter of fact about 50% of that and yet we're not addressing our residents um concerns in which is Road um issues potholes um due to the fact that there's constant Road um constant traffic on the road from east to west we're not giving our residents um the solution that they need in meeting their uh day-to-day need now um as for when you talked about this um you know people driving through our city actually I I don't believe that that's the issue I really believe that we really need to address the issue of east to west and the shelter for bus stop we don't need Mor buses the buses are running empty we don't need anymore and the shelter that you said said about the shelter for bus stop you know that just that that is a really bad term because um as soon as that word is said I start seeing um individuals who are transients using that exact exactly as home shelters so um what I think what we really need to do na is to explore um what Mark isson and what um our Mayor John MZ has um addressed with you that those are the things that we need need in Plano not what DART thinks we need in Plano but what we as Plano residents know we need from Plano and one of the issues is Criminal um concerns and that needs to be addressed that's all I have meting thank you um so uh council member two if you would allow me to I'd like to ask Chief Charlie KO to come up and talk a little bit about crime on the system and security generally good evening mayor councel um I'm Charlie Koo chief of police and Emergency Management for Dallas Rapid Transit Police Department so U I've looked at the crime from Janu January 1st to December the 4th when I had the numbers pulled and you had you had 28 criminal offenses reported at the um downtown Plano station in all that year in in a whole year and so we've had calls for service there but as actual crimes reported you had only 28 and so the uh as you mentioned the uh Parker Road station we do have more activity there it's an in the Line station and so but out of the all year long we've had 115 police reports made there so that's that's less than one a day for the year one about one every two days uh as we're almost 365 days into the year over 330 days into the year so um there's not a lot of reported crime there we have our good work in relationship with Chief drain and his neighborhood policing officers that are around our stations there we work with them constantly we also have our Transit security officers or tsos who ride the trains we have our police officers we have we started our rail operations team we have police officers that ride the trains we have Fair enforcement officers that ride the trains and as you mentioned Criminal Trespass Criminal Trespass is our second highest arrest category most of the year since we started last last year our multidisiplinary response team which is to address the unhoused population and the mental the months with mental illness uh we have been making a inroads there so no longer is Criminal Trespass our number one it's our number three arrest category and also um our the other top arrest category was our U emergency detention which is somebody who's in a mental health crisis to the point where we don't take them to jail we take them to a Mental Health institution to a hospital and so that's our number two arrest category now our number one arrest category is arrest for warrants from other agencies because we're actually engaging with people we're checking everybody we come in contact with if they have a warrant we arrest them we take them to jail and so we worked very diligently in the two years that I've been here yes to address those things and our our crime numbers compare favorably to any any of the cities that we serve in fact here in our numbers compare quite well to to the city of plano's crime numbers so I you know I I know there's a perception of crime and disorder on the system but also the the numbers bear do not bear that out uh is that the perception is far worse than the reality that we that we have out there um and then uh just real quick um to your point about the types of services that your residents are looking for um Mr isson and I have been talking a lot about um you know trying to provide some shuttle services Circ Services um not just go link but certainly trying to address the the transportation need that you all have particularly because you have a large population that's Aging in place and so I think there's some there will be some value as we develop those Concepts to getting out into the community and talking to the residents to find out what would actually work best for them so we are continuing to work on that um our team is working with the city of Plano staff to develop what we refer to as our area plans um and that is really trying to address the Local transportation need within the city limits of each of our service area cities um to your point council member two about the East West travel um in fact I think it was just last week or so that Mr isson and I were talking about that very thing and so um so we are working on those Concepts trying to figure out what uh what types of services would best serve the city of Plano um and then we're hoping to get some clarity around that so that around budget season next year we'll be able to start integrating the costs of um changing up some of those Services council member horn thank you Miss Lee thank you very much for the presentation um back in 83 when Plano was still a commuter city um the dart made sense in that that's where the citizens voted on it just to have the rail to go from Plano to downtown to stay off uh us 75 that was a big point and why the voters voted for the one cent um of course we've EXP anded now we're a huge employment center we are having issues right now part of this is we're competing with other cities we're wanting more business to come into Plano and part of that is the convenience factor of of commuters if they live in Plano can they get to Legacy West fairly easy to to to work can they get to the uh research quarter to work uh this is where I'm springboarding on uh mayor protim uh 2's comments I see a lot of east west buses and they are empty they are empty and you may see one or two people standing with no shelter in the summer waiting for a bus but it certainly doesn't meet the needs and certainly not a convenience of using Dart to get anywhere within Plano and again I think when we look at the train system and I'm looking forward to the silver line coming on board um Coming online that commuters certainly love going to downtown or along that corridor from Plano and vice versa and I suspect that when the Silver Line opens a lot of uh people will be hopping on that train to get to DFW and the points in between but we have to look at a way to make it more convenient for our citizens to be able to get East West and get into circular circular routes and I think that's something that we concerned with with the amount of money that we're looking at from what we paid and the value from the V uh from the ey study though I know you have to validate that that's that's just we're you know we're supposed to be the stewards of the the people's money and we're just not providing the convenience now I have to applaud you on the pair of Transit that number looks like it's been consistent throughout the whole years that you've been studying and as you said as our our citizens age in place I can see that growing but I think we need to look at the Go link maybe and seeing I mean I thought one time you had an initiative to work with Uber on that to uh or ride share to make it a little bit more convenient and make it a little easier to get from Zone to Zone to Zone and the last request I have is if you can please provide the other zone maps for your go go link I would like to see that as is applied throughout the city thank you yes happy to provide the other zone maps um and then you know to your point I think you know oh I wanted to comment that we are partnering with Uber currently um Uber serves as a back stop for go link when our our um our contracted service is not available to uh fulfill the trip that's been requested within the time frame that we promise our writers uh Uber is there to uh to backfill that service so that they can get a response time quicker so I think our average response time is like eight minutes right now which is actually pretty good um I I think our our Target was like 15 minutes so we're really um we're responding a lot faster and and that's really the Uber service comes for those who have opted into the Uber service um some people choose not to have Uber as a back stop but they do have that choice um we're going to continue to work on that um you know to your point I think you know go link does seem to work very well for a lot of um a lot of our more Suburban cities um and so we want to continue to look at what the transportation need is throughout your city and making sure that we're providing the appropriate mode and and um service for the need that's there so I think it's um you know obviously as people age in place some people will be more ambulatory than others and so we want to make sure that we provide the services that actually help people get to where they need to go thank you Deputy Mayor protel thank you for being here tonight um I only have one question and then I just want to share some comments of of just feedback that I've gotten from people about what they'd like to see um improved with dart I I'm I'm happy to hear your focus on customer service on making the writing experience um more pleasant especially as we're expecting as you said 50% more people over the next 20 years one thing that was brought to my attention that I was not even aware of until this morning I received an email from someone who was kind of giving me their wish list of these are the things I'd like to see as as someone who rides start quite frequently um but it was about Wi-Fi on the trains and buses and I looked it up and I was surprised to see that the bus services discontinued Wi-Fi in July June or July of this year and I'm here well that's I found an article that said that maybe that's not true but I I heard you report tonight that there's been an increase in the bus service so it would seem reasonable to expect if anything that we would be providing more Wi-Fi to our our writers let me check into that I I don't know that I was aware that we were not providing Wi-Fi I thought we were and so let me double check on that um because I I don't as long as we have the routers on our buses and and they're working um you know I don't see any reason why we wouldn't be doing that but let me double check I appreciate that um but yes it wasn't something I had really thought about but it made perfect sense someone who maybe doesn't have the budget for their own transportation might not also have Wi-Fi at home and so this is a great time for them to be able to utilize that service um which is just another customer uh value add there and so some of the other things that were brought up by this individual and then others I've spoken to and just my own observations um obviously the the security I I don't know where you're at and even considering closing the system I I haven't really heard that spoken about but um I think there's a lot of benefits from what I'm hearing from others um that they would feel safer if it was a closed system um obviously you'd be able to collect more fairs and more importantly I think to this discuss would be that we would get great data we would really know when are people getting on when are people getting off I mean if you're getting on a toll road getting off a toll road we have pretty good data about um where where people are traveling to and from and so I think that information uh would be helpful um the the person who emailed me this morning was asking for better communication to to passengers if there's going to be a delay things that they can kind of count on I think that also um is where the Wi-Fi service would she felt would be helpful having a better signage um she referenced the a discount citizen app I don't know if we already have an app and maybe she was suggesting you get a discount if you participate in the app and that also would give more data um because you could actually track people on where they're getting on where they're getting off from that as well as she said you could even check in to show people you're safe um and so it was a another safety mechanism um and then and I think the only other item that I wanted to mention just because it hasn't been brought up before publicly and I was called out for this not bringing up downtown Plano and and aside from the the rail that we as Colin Creek is coming online as um now that we've got the Robinson Fine Arts Center um we want to encourage people to to dine downtown and to have easy access and Mobility to some of those surrounding um places so that's just something that officially I don't think we've ever stated that that's something that's important to play now and so I just wanted to go on the record to say that's something we'd like to see as well on our wish list thank you okay thank you um a couple of things um so we do have the goass app um which is a payment mechanism but also serves for trip planning serves well for trip planning as well um I don't know I'm going to look to my uh CFO do we do any are we able to track any right writers based off of we are okay okay so we'll get you more information on that because I am less aware unless you want to address that sure So Jamie Adelman EVP and CFO for Dart um the goast mobile application does allow us to know um kind of coordinates of where people are activating passes but it's not perfect for example if you have a monthly pass or an annual pass you activate that one time and then you can use it throughout the month throughout the year whatever type of pass it was I think you're also referring to maybe a rewards program for writing no um I am I on or not I I I don't know if she was suggesting it or if it's something that's already there but it sounds like maybe there's some geot tracking services that would be tied to it as well so maybe it's a way to incentivize people to use that to collect more data um and provide Safety Services as well and then reward by by by giving some sort of discount so no I doesn't sound like that's something you have but maybe something to consider correct cor yeah and um so so in terms of like reward system I think that's something that we've talked about but I don't know that we've ever gotten it off the ground and I don't know exactly what the concept would be um the one thing I would say because I think you referenced you know discounts through the app and that sort of thing we do have Fair capping which if you're using any form of digital media to pay for your ride um you are capped at I think it's like $6 or something for the day so um and then there's I think a cap for the month as well so once you get to a certain number of days of rides you are no longer charged anymore because you've hit that cap and so that's something that we uh provide for of course more frequent Riders um there's still discount programs for people who are low income um you know obviously we want to remain as affordable as possible we do have a new Fair uh Fair program coming online I think is it March March okay so March so we've gone through all the uh different changes to the fair policy and so there's a new Fair structure coming online in March um there was one other thing oh you said something about um the communications with the writers and um some of the information that they would like to have about delays and things like that so we do publish our real time our uh gtfs um real-time data um you know to any app uh developer who wants to use it um Google does use it um we use it on goass and so if there are delays in real time they should be current on all of those apps when people you know go to a stop or go to a station they look up the trains that are coming they should get the most current data on what's actually um what the actual travel time or the arrival time should be thank you all right Miss Lee thank you for being here I I do want to acknowledge the receipt of chairman sel's letter and uh we look forward to to hearing some feedback regarding the request that we made and and uh thank you so much for your presentation of course thank you for having me thank you our next item is consent and regular agendas is there any Mr Mayor I make a motion we approve the consent agenda as provided no we're still we're still P pom but I that it was confusing I realized any item U huh any item uh a council member would like to remove okay uh any items for future agendas okay we will move back to the uh regular meeting and now we'll go to consent agenda no we didn't yeah here we go hold we're at there you go Mr Mayor I make a motion we approved consent agenda as presented okay second thank you so I have a motion and a second to approve the consent agenda we get to vote again there we go so uh we have a motion a second to approve the consent agenda please vote well I haven't done that in a about a year Maria 2 says yes are you is that a yes Maria yes Maria 2 says yes thank you are we all good oh well Rick Rick's not there okay thank you for your patience this is our first vote on the the new Das so we're okay we're learning and there it is hey okay motion passes look at that six six to zero okay and running terrific next item items for individual consideration public hearing items applicants are limited to 15 minutes presentation time with a 5 minute rebuttal if needed remaining speakers are limited to 30 total minutes of testimony time with 3 minutes assigned per speaker the presiding officer May amend these times as deemed necessary non-public hearing items presiding officer will permit public comment for items on the agenda not posted for a public hearing the presiding officer will establish time limits based upon the number of speaker requests length of the agenda and to ensure meeting efficiency and may include a cumulative time limit speakers will be called in the order the requests are received until the cumulative time is exhausted item number one public hearing and consideration of an ordinance as requested in zoning case 2024-25 to amend the comprehensive zoning ordinance of the city ordinance number 2015- 5-2 as here to for amended granting specific use permit number 84 for electrical substation on point 2 acre of land located 1,370 ft east of Jupiter Road and 1 , 65 ft south of Plano Parkway in the city of Plano Colin County Texas presently zoned research Technology Center and located within the State Highway 190 Plano Parkway overlay District directing a change accordingly in the official zoning map of the city providing a penalty Clause a repealer clause a savings Clause a severability clause a publication CL and an effective date all right thank you I'm Christina day the director of planning here to present this zoning case for you tonight this is a request for a specific use permit uh on a property that is located north of the President George Bush Turnpike and near Shiloh Road uh it is currently Zone research Technology Center and is surrounded by like property so the reason why this is uh being being considered tonight is there is an Associated data center in this area immediately uh to the north um North uh SE a couple of blocks that has been built it has a private substation that is su75 but this is to add a substation in the uh power lines to the South that would then Supply power to the private substation there is a temporary route currently uh being utilized but there's some conflicts with existing easements that don't allow that to be a permanent location there is also a restriction associated with this Su request that may address the comments that we have from an individual adjacent to the site and it is that a masonry screening wall at least 8 feet in height will be provided to screen the substation area so this is in an employment center area it meets the description of priorities as well as our infrastructure policy in the comp ensive plan we had one response it is in opposition you can see it just Clips the corner of the property that responded it's less than a tenth of an acre and 0 2% of the total acreage so does not require a super majority vote uh although there is this one letter of opposition so on the Large Scale map you see we have the one response uh from an adjacent property owner the Planning and Zoning commission did recommend recommend approval by a vote of 8 to zero and with that I'm available for questions the applicant does not have slides all right thank you thank you Christinia any questions for staff all right I'll open the public hearing the only registered speakers we have would be the applicant yeah thank you mayor and Council my name is Seth Samson sighting specialist for Encore I'm really just here to answer any questions that you may have in regards to this project for us so I'll open the floor and appreciate it any questions for the applicant thank you thank you I'll close the public hearing confine the comments to the councel oh that's pretty impressive wow all right take your pick go guys I'd make a motion to approve second thank you I have a motion second to approve uh agenda item number one all in please vote Maria 2 says yes okay thank you motion passes six to zero thank you next item item number two public hearing and consideration of a resolution to approve the terms and conditions of an interlocal agreement and memorandum of understanding between the city of Plano the city of mckin the city of Frisco and the Colin County Sheriff's Office for the dispersement of the 2024 Edward burn Justice Grant ass or Justice assistant Grant funds and authorizing its execution by the city manager or designated authorized designate and providing an effective date hello mayor and Council uh again um this grant is an annual grant that we get it's not a competitive Grant it's what's called a formula grant primarily based off our population and our crime stats we do share this grant with um the city of Frisco the city of mcken and the Sheriff's Office total Grant amount is uh in considering the number of cities relatively small about 64,000 I believe our share is around 23,000 of that and again uh the reason we're having this hearing is because it's it's required as a part of the grant any questions thanks G all right thank you I'll open the public hearing there are no speakers on this item I'll close the public hearing confine the comments to the council motion to approve thank you mayor proam second oh you you Maria really messed it [Laughter] up I do have a motion a second and put uh mayor protim as as the motion yeah I know I know that I know I messed you up oh did you get that down okay good all right please vote all right Maria to says yes okay okay motion passes six to nothing all right next item item number three public Hearing in comment review of the Consolidated annual performance evaluation report describing the use of federal funds this report details how the city used US Department of Housing and Urban Development funds during the 2023 24 Grant year the public will be given an opportunity to speak at the public hearing all right good morning mayor council Curtis Howard director of Neighborhood Services and make sure I get to the right slide here and I am here to uh discuss the the annual Consolidated performance evaluation report uh HUD requires us to do this annually and we this is going to detail uh expenditures in year four of our fiveyear uh consolidated plan uh so just a little bit uh about some of the things that we've done this past year when we look at HUD funding and HUD objectives uh one of the things that we looked at one of the objectives has to do with decent housing and uh generally this is going to this is run by an internal program through staff we have our housing rehabilitation program and our emergency repair program uh that uh that we have for people who who need assistance immediately and this past year we uh uh helped 19 households now the city itself helped 18 and Habitat for Humanity helped one household uh so um one of the things that we do is when we get these emergency repairs you know what we're looking at is is we're looking at those home ownership problems that we're seeing a lot of so you know the kind of the top three that we really see have to do with HVAC replacement uh bathtub to shower conversions especially for people who are are aging in place that's a big issue uh and then also some minor Plumbing but we're also seeing things like of course the cast iron problems that we have a lot of uh exterior issues we're seeing Foundation issues uh sometimes we see electrical uh problems that need to be addressed and so we provide uh emergency funding and and Rehab funding for those for those problems uh the average age for the person who is who we are servicing is 69 years old so what we're getting is is when we open this up it's basically first come first serve if they qualify then uh then they get on that uh on on the list uh we do have a a a contact list right now of about 70 people that uh will signed up and they just we just don't have the funding for them so we'll wait contacting them them during the next round once we get funding for this next uh next year uh and so I think there was a question that that came up through Council having to do with you know maybe one of the things that we should do is because we are seeing an increase in homelessness here should we use some of the funding here for this these real Rehabilitation projects for homelessness and you know so one of the things we do is as you well know we are getting ready we are already in the process of getting Community input for our next fiveyear con plan uh and so we take direction from the community we take direction from Council so be that as it may that'll be something to to take into consideration as we move forward uh just remember that as when we trying to figure out what we want to do with the funding that we get there is limitation because when we talk about cdbg funding um you know we can use 15% of that which for for social service programs 65% of that then is and I'm G I'm going to use kind of my nomenclature which is nonsocial service programs so that's more building that sort of thing so uh we can you know we can we can use that for certain things that would really impact uh the increase that we're seeing in homeless lessness as we move forward but uh but you know as we move forward we'll certainly take input from from Council on that um let's see and we in addition habitat again one of our partners we we have a couple of houses that they are working on they didn't finish in this uh in this program year so we will be counting them towards our our next uh program year but those are currently in the works uh our next objective is suitable living and these are going to be these Social Services programs that that I talked about so U one of the things that we have is as you can see we've got uh Texas muslin women's Foundation who is of course a big partner for us so 14 domestic violence survivors uh homelessness prevention and this is the Colin County Coalition um uh the assistant center on Colin County I'm sorry and they had they basically provided assistance rent and some utility assistance to 71 people city house uh helped 24 young adults 24 is defined as between 18 and 21 in case management and transitional housing uh Samaritan in of course helped 23 people in this uh in this program year and then also Family Place assisted 75 people uh other grant funding that we have so we also have home ARP or American Rescue plan funding so uh homelessness funding is going to be uh people who are you know at at in danger of losing their home and so both Texas Muslim Muslim women women's foundation and the assistant center of Colin County had programs uh including rental assistance uh case management and then the Supportive Services needed in that in those in those uh areas so 478 people were helped there and then for those people that are homeless those people that are on the street uh Texas Muslim women's Foundation uh uh provided the funding for that including including that housing assistance and uh we have 10 families 10 households with 25 people that received assistance and then Public Services other grant funding that we have of course the Buffington Grant which we we gladly get from city council here uh we gave grants to 18 organizations that provided Services throughout city of PLO helping over 9,000 people uh Texas uh Department of Housing and Community Affairs provides funding uh they had a rapid rehousing program that includes things like housing assistance and case management and the Supportive Services again that we're working with uh people to try and make sure that they they uh they stay in stay housed and then our Plano overnight warming shelter and that's cdbg Corona virus that is still some of the uh the funding that we have from the Corona virus and we you know at some point Council provide Direction some of the money we have there will be going towards those transitional shelters that we have here in Plano to help provide uh upkeep in the in those homes so uh and and overall that helped 198 people so as I said at the beginning one of the things that we are in the process of doing is getting Community input for our next con plan and so uh we'll see how well the technology works here uh that QR code will take you to that uh to that survey and you can maybe get put get input from the community if if uh if if it works so after all that I will take any questions all right thank you Curtis thank you very much appreciate it thank you Anthony thank you mayor and thank you Curtis for that great presentation so you alluded to uh the question I emailed in which to give credit where credit is due uh came from former council member Grady uh who emailed in and you know I just want to read a a small excerpt from what he sent homelessness because I thought he made a great Point homelessness and prevention have a significantly growing need um one reason and goals may not be achieved in this area is because agencies run out of money the demand exceeds Supply um and then he went on to discuss um the average expenditures for housing Rehabilitation versus homelessness prevention and you know just to to go to uh um our city materials and and and look at uh for example page 117 of the packet shows that uh The Family Place helped 75 people for $336 whereas 18 housing Rehabilitation projects done by the city cost $858,000 so obviously uh and and that's not apples to to Apples because obviously housing Rehabilitation is a lot more expensive than you know what the family place is doing for those 75 individuals but it um it makes the point that uh housing Rehabilitation has a really kind of narrow focused benefit for those who are fortunate enough to not be on the 70 person waiting list but actually you know get the housing Rehabilitation funds where as um some of the homelessness prevention Services have a more diffuse benefit for a larger number of people and and I think that also helps the whole Community to tackle the important issue of homelessness um I understand the point you were raising about the federal restrictions on percentage allocations of the cdpg funds um and uh the the kind of 65% form of building related things 15% for what I think we can Loosely refer to as you did with uh Social Services um but I correct me if I'm wrong when social service agencies in the community say for example the family place or city house or the Texas Muslim women's Foundation or um uh even um you know the the East Plano Islamic Center's efforts on the overnight warming station anything that needs um physical uh structural work that's eligible in that 65% bucket right and so we could um I think if we we advertise to those social service agencies uh that you know there are cdbg funds potentially available to uh to tackle their kind of physical building issues you know repairs that might be needed expansions that might be needed to improved capacity uh then that might free up funds that they were planning to use for that their own funds uh to deliver these social services that under Federal restrictions were capped at 15% under the cdbg so I just wanted to put that out there and I understand the point also about you know we're in year three going into year four of our our 5-year con plan and that this is something that we can take feedback on for the next con plan but I did also notice that when we look at the uh consolidated plan accomplishments as of year four um housing Rehabilitation is uh second from the top now obviously homeless shelter and services is the the very top uh 321 per complete but housing Rehabilitation is almost 113% complete 11 12.94% so um what are our thoughts on saying you know we we've kind of done the housing Rehabilitation that we're going to do during this five-year Consolidated plan and and maybe try to shift as much of those funds as possible to the physical building needs of social service agencies in the community yeah and and I think you know one of the things talking about um trying to use that funding for our Social Service Partners here who have that kind of that transitional shelter that would qualify you know we've got we've got that CV money right now that we have that is now I think we are going to be providing that to 16 or 18 of those transitional shelters here so you I think probably one of the things we would have to reach out to them and see what their capacity is and and and see how much actual kind of brick and mortar things that they need but yeah that is certainly something that we can do is try and get a handle on if there are other opportunities out there to use you know that 65% uh that is non-social service funding and and and and help those help those agency so they can they can use uh uh the funding that they get for uh for more services well thank you so much for that and if the rest of the council feels the same way what I would encourage us to do given uh that we are you know at 112. 194% uh complete on our housing Rehabilitation objectives under this Consolidated plan is to to you know get proac active and do a survey of those really impactful social service agencies in the community uh to see what uh what physical building needs we could help that would qualify under the 65% during this current fiveyear Consolidated plan yes sir well thank you so much I appreciate your great efforts on this director Howard yes sir uh yes thank you Curtis for that um I just want to Echo my very strong belief as I've uh said for years as did uh former councilman Grady that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure and um the circumstances that many of our people have found themselves in over the prior several years are such that a relatively small effort could um be made to help prevent somebody from tipping the balance into homelessness but holding people out of homelessness rehabilitating houses Etc is a much heavier lift um and I would like to see uh us use the resources available to us from HUD as creatively as possible to be used toward homelessness prevention under the opes of um that money going toward doing the most good yeah yes sir thank you for your suggestion but just to clarify Curtis the report that we're going on tonight is historic so that's reporting on the action so I I I understand the feedback that we're getting but what we had tonight was really what has happened versus the action plan moving forward so I think we have that input on on going forward but just wanted to make sure that we were all on the same page so thank you all right thanks Curtis all right appreciate it thank you I'll open the public hearing any speakers there are no speakers on this item I'll close the public hearing moving on to the next item item number four second public hearing on the proposed General obligation Bond referendum scheduled for May 3rd 2025 an additional third public hearing is planned for January 13th 2025 good evening all this is is a second public hearing that we have for the bond referendum as Lisa just mentioned we will have a third one January 13th also on January 13th the city council will start deliberating on uh which projects will make the final cut uh the first uh week in febru or the second week in February the city council will be deciding which propositions will go forward thank you Karen I'll open the public hearing do we have speakers we do have speakers we have five speakers on this item this evening the first one is Rita Cosgrove good evening thank you for the opportunity to address you today um I have had the pleasure of serving on the cultural arts commission for the city of Plano for the past two years during that time I have experienced first firsthand the vibrant and encompassing Arts Community across the city Plano is home to a diverse network of organizations serving children families and adults from all backgrounds across performing Visual and musical arts increasingly these impactful groups struggle to find adequate and reliable space for practices and performances they rely on a tenuous Patchwork of churches schools and other private facilities to share their art with us the community the city has Express a desire for planer to be a true Arts destination the talent is here the desire is here the venue space is not our talented artists are struggling to have ample and appropriate space to perform and display their work for the enjoyment and betterment of all of us us it's time for the city to prioritize and invest a true in a true Arts Center with appropriately designed spaces for all of our art groups as you consider this bond package please consider finding funds to invest in a new space or in thoughtful repurposing of existing space investing in our Arts Community is an investment in our whole Community uh as a reminder reminder our art groups who do apply for art grants from the city must perform 2third of all of their performances within the city which makes having the proper venues vital for their continued Grant of uh funds thank you very much for your time this evening thank you the next speaker is Steve Levine well that was a good lead in to what uh I'm going to talk about my name is Steve Levine uh 40 year resident of Plano yesterday I sent to each of you a letter in proposal outlining the need for a place for Planos practitioners and patrons of the visual arts I love alliteration um I currently serve on the committee that will recommend to you the specific proposals to be included in the bond election I also serve on the excuse me I also serve on the advisory committee to to the Consultants who will be proposing the cultural arts plan I'm not involved as a representative of any Arts Community organization but I have learned a lot about the Arts population in Plano and their critical needs if they are to continue to thrive and populate the downtown Plano Arts District while we're awaiting the completed Cultural Arts plan some necessary efforts will almost certainly be delayed Beyond an opportune time frame um as with the Art Center of Plano and the Courtyard Theater adaptive reuse of existing buildings will be a viable and prudent path to continue the development of the Arts in this designated District uh there are other folks today that will help describe the need and encourage you to include Authority in the bond uh program of not less than $5 million for the Adaptive reuse of one of these older vacant or underutilized buildings for a variety of purposes primarily in support of the visual arts um they're requesting this as seed money uh to secure a building and further develop architectural planning while other efforts may continue in the public and private sectors to secure additional funding commitments and proof that the project can be self-supporting through rents grants and fees generated by the suggested uses um we know that that there are other uh ways that a program like this could be uh funded uh there are certainly Tiff funds there are certainly Hotel uh taxes um regardless of which way this ultimately goes we would very much like to see something uh happen uh sooner rather than later so that should the particular building uh the chadic center uh which is part of the concept that I've placed up here for Studio 15 which has already been kind of laid out by Architects um might be able to be uh completed thank you thank you the next speaker is um I'm Mike Corman I'm a 30-year Plano resident and U I'm currently the director of operations for a nonprofit Museum of Contemporary visual art that is U located in the chattic center uh right now and uh we're thrilled that it may become a center for the visual arts um after considering five other locations uh our Museum we decided to on the chattic center because of his proximity because it's right here in downtown the downtown Plano Arts District um and we have created the first visual art museum in the uh Northern BFW uh Metroplex um other speakers are going to address uh about the U the the wanting to uh procure available affordable Studio space for the artist I'm going to address uh slightly different items that are equally important uh we're looking forward to the transformation of the chattic center um because that transformation is so beautifully depicted by The jhp Architects it'll be instrumental in uh downtown Plano Arts District becoming a destination for lovers of Arts from Plano from the Metroplex and from even from around the world they're great artists in Plano community and our first uh four exhibitions at our Museum have been for local artists but we're planning on interleaving uh local artists with exhibitions from Regional National and even them from International artists these visiting artists will be conducting workshops demos and master classes which will uh serve to enhance the skills of our local artists and to attract participation and visits from artists and others from outside of our community increasing tourism and revenue uh hotel motel um we envision that anchored by this transformed home uh the Plano our downtown Plano Arts District will be less like the uh Bishop's Arts District and more like a small but growing version of Arts districts in Dallas with the dma and perau and Fort Worth the Kimble modern and aan Carter we just see that as as where we're heading 20 seconds 20 okay well the only other thing I said is there are there are some additional U information that I have regarding uh like the studio space and it it has to do with programs that we want to do as part of our um as as part of our uh Museum so thank you very much thank you the next speaker is Jean Dillard Jan we have a mic for you right here if you'd like it yeah long-term Plano resident and I'm the manager and operator of rail station studios in the arts district in downtown Plano some of us have met um when I tortured you to paint your portrait sometime ago sorry about that uh I am pleased to provide portrait services to the um residents of Plano and also um uh I really enjoy teaching uh portrait painting U to those who want to wish to improve their skills and over the last 10 years I've had a constant stream of uh artists approach me for Studio space worka workshops space uh exhibition space and U much more than my small venue could actually uh accommodate and uh ra station Studio was once described by Plano magazine as one of the sanctuaries of our City's artistic spirit it's a nice thing I didn't even have to write that uh not only does it serve as a studio for some resident artists but it also is a storefront gallery for others to exhibit their their f art our artists engage with both community and with one another forming collaborative friendships that come from sharing space but it's really a lot more than space the artist share insights encouragement perspectives and their passion for fine art uh as one of the resident artists said there is a need for artists to create Pathways of conversations and that's sort of what we provide so we do this on a sort of a miniture basis but it's something that uh we would like to see en large dramatically creating Visual Arts is often a solitary thing but there's a need for a a large venue to Foster the benefits of artistic camaraderie what we do uh in our location is just a fraction of what Plano needs it would I would really look forward to working with and and joining forces with others in this proposed facility Plano needs a permanent City facility uh to continue the mission of creating collaboration uh among local visual artists for their benefit and for the benefit of the community thank you very much thank you [Music] Jan the last speaker is Melanie bante thank you can you hear me okay honorable mayor council and City staff my name is Melanie brigante and I'm the current president of the Plano Art Association I presently Ser um we the Plano Art Association represents over 200 practicing visual artists in Plano our association currently operates a temporary gallery gallery space in the shops at willowend at 6121 West Park Boulevard we're putting in over 4500 volunteer hours every year to keep that thing going and to to stay open according to the mall operating hours for over 50 years the Plano Art Association has worked toward enhancing the visual artart culture of Plano in participation with the city of Plano and downtown businesses we bring our artists to macall Plaza to participate in the first Saturday art and culture Quest and the third Thursday Sip and Shop events the outdoor location creates temperature wind rain and lighting challenges with CA with the changing seasons and we really need a climate control downtown facility to have a reliable art presence in downtown Plano Plano member artists can populate Studios host workshops and Stage exhibitions we do need a permanent venue to do so what we hear repeatedly from our members their patrons customers and students is that that there need there is a need in Plano for studio and maker space where our members can create as well as share what they do with Plano residents and to display their art without such a facility we cannot have the vibrant art community that the downtown planer Art District was envisioned to be while Gallery space is envisioned in such a facility we do need studio and classroom space um we don't want to forget that our Plano residents seek art classes we get asked every time we do a public event all the parents say do you have children workshops there's a huge need for that children want to express themselves and they do that best through ART I think um so we need a facility where our residents can create art and we need help with the admin and Plano the Plano Art Association stands ready to help with the administration of such a facility and we really think that our experience working from the shops at willin is going to be a great asset toward something like this in the future thank you so much thank you very much any other speakers there are no other speak speakers I'll close the public hearing there being no further business the meeting is adjourned congratulations as people want to develop this area they would take a dis anx land