that's okay maybe brief discussion good evening ladies and gentlemen it is now 5 30 and i will call this regular meeting of the burnsville city council to order it is our tradition to stand for a moment of silence followed by the pledge of allegiance and we invite you to join us i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all the clerk will note that all council members are present we're still in the midst of a public health crisis and so we continue to work and make sure that we are transparent and the work that we do for the public is televised so tonight's meeting is being conducted in person our city council members and staff are in the council chambers and practicing social distancing members of the public may attend in person if they like they may also watch this meeting online at burnsvillemn.gov meetings or comcast channel 16 or 8 59. if you would like to participate during the meeting remotely you may join online at zoom dot us slash join or you can call in at 651-372-8200 callers will need to dial star9 to raise their hand to speak and dial star 6 to unmute when we open the time for comments more information is available on our meetings web page and in the council agenda packet the next item on the agenda is our announcements and tonight we have five proclamations so i when i get to that i will speak to how we're going to do that because we've never had so many proclamations in one night but we have two new ones for the month of october that we usually don't have so i'm going to modify them but our council meetings are scheduled regular council meetings are scheduled for tuesday october 20th at 5 30 and monday november 2nd at 5 30 p.m we moved the meeting from tuesday to monday november 2nd due to general elections on tuesday november 3rd and it's against the law for us to hold meetings during the election work sessions are scheduled tuesday october 13th at 5 30 pm and tuesday october 27th at 5 30 p.m we also have a special work session scheduled for monday october 12 at 10 a.m and that will be here um in the council chambers as well and it is our belonging and inclusion session with the ymca so members of the council and staff in public we have five proclamations so what i'm going to do to keep us moving is that if you want to read the proclamations please go to the website and access our council packet and you can read the entire proclamation but tonight i'm going to read at least two or three whereases for each proclamation and then move on to the now therefore so the first proclamation is fire prevention week whereas the city of burnsville is committed to ensuring the safety and security of all those living in and visiting burnsville and whereas fire is a serious public safety concern both locally and nationally and homes are the location where people are at greatest risk from fire whereas the 2020 fire prior prevention week theme serve up fire safety in the kitchen effectively serves to remind us to stay alert and use caution when cooking to reduce the risk of kitchen fires this week and all year round now therefore i elizabeth coutts mayor of the city of burnsville on behalf of the city council do hereby proclaim the week of october 4th through the 10th 2020 to be fire prevention week in burnsville proclaimed the sixth day of october 2020. the next proclamation is manufacturing week october 1st through the 7th whereas manufacturing is a dynamic and robust industry crucial to the health and strength of minnesota's diverse economy and whereas manufacturing added 52.7 billion to minnesota's economy in 2019 representing the second largest contribution 14 to the state's gross domestic product by any industry and whereas manufacturing provides 324 000 highly skilled well-paying jobs which significantly contribute to minnesota's high standard of living and economic vitality now therefore i elizabeth coutts mayor the city of burnsville on behalf of the city council do hereby proclaim october 1st to october 7 2020 as manufacturing week in burnsville proclaimed the sixth day of october 2020 the next proclamation is national breast cancer awareness month whereas the national breast cancer awareness month was established to increase awareness about the disease and the importance of screening and early detection and whereas one in eight women will be diagnosed with breast cancer at some point during their lifetime and the american cancer society estimates that more than 276 000 new cases of invasive breast cancer will be diagnosed this year and whereas the city of burnsville is committed to raising awareness about breast cancer and the impact it has on our loved ones friends colleagues and community members and proclaiming our commitment to prevention detection and treatment of breast cancer and now therefore i elizabeth coutts mayor of the city of burnsville on behalf of the city council and in honor of all that have fought against breast cancer do hereby proclaim october 2020 to be national breast cancer awareness month in burnsville and encourage all women to become aware that they are at risk and to check with their doctor to see whether they should get a mammogram proclaim this sixth day of october 2020. the next proclamation is for night to unite this one we usually do in august but because it's been delayed and delayed it is here to be read whereas the minnesota crime prevention association along with aaa and local law enforcement are sponsoring a statewide program called night to unite on october 6 2020 and whereas night to unite 2020 is designed to safely engage with your neighborhood and bring police fire local government and communities together to bring an awareness to crime prevention and local enforcement efforts whereas during the covet 19 global pandemic many traditional night to unite activities have been cancelled but there are still neighboring neighborhood organizers have signed up to receive city care packages that contain handouts information and fun trinkets for families to enjoy and now therefore i elizabeth coutts mayor of the city of burnsville on behalf of the city council do hereby declare october 6 2020 as night to unite in burnsville and call upon all citizens of burnsville to safely participate in night to unite activities that strengthen neighborhoods and carry the spirit of night to unite throughout the rest of the year proclaimed the sixth day of october 2020. our last proclamation is community planning month october 2020 and this is a new one also so whereas change is constant and affects all cities towns suburbs counties boroughs townships rural areas and other places and whereas community planning and plans can help manage this change in a way that provides better choices for how people work and live and whereas we recognize the many valuable contributions made by the professional community and regional planners of the city of burnsville and extend our heartfelt thanks for the continued commitment to public service by these professionals now therefore i elizabeth couts on behalf of the city council do hereby proclaim october 2020 is community planning month proclaimed this sixth day of october okay um so those are all of our proclamations and if you want to read the entire proclamation you can find it on our website under our council packets for tonight the next item on the agenda is citizens comments this is the opportunity for anyone in the audience to address the council on an item that is not on the printed agenda and not an application form that will be coming before us at a future date is there anyone who wishes to address the council anyone in the room on zoom okay seeing no one we will move on the next item is additions to the final agenda and this is for emergency items only miss muscali are there any items to be added to the final agenda they are not madam mayor okay members of the council any additions thank you we will move on then to the consent agenda the consent agenda is a group of items that's considered to be routine and will be enacted by one motion however an item on the consent agenda can be removed for a separate discussion and vote is there anyone in the audience who wishes an item to be removed for a separate discussion and vote i believe mr wise has asked for um 4l to be removed for a separate discussion and vote and we will pull that item miss musco lee the staff have anything to pull we do not matter mayor um members of the council council member workmen um thank you i'd like to pull item 4c and i was going to pull 4l but mr weiss has pulled it to an address okay thank you um may i have a motion to adopt the balance of the consent agenda abortion to approve the balance second uh there's a motion by councilmember keeley second by councilmember gustafson all in favor please say hi all right opposed nay and the motion carries thank you um mr wise um i think the first one is uh c so i'm going to go to council member workmen the ordinance amending council salaries council member workmen thank you um i'm just pulling this because i wasn't able to attend the meeting uh virtually on last saturday as i was out of town and didn't have self-service so i wasn't able to participate in the conversation and i'm not pulling this for any further debate or real discussion i just wanted to voice my position on this item that um well i understand and agree with a lot of what was said and the justification for the for the decision that was ultimately acted on um it just feels like right now um given the circumstances with the economy and everything else that it it doesn't feel like the right time to do this so i wanted to express that publicly since i was not able to do that on saturday okay very good thank you is there any other comments if not i need a motion move to approve second council member gossip makes the motion second by council member keeley all in favor please say aye aye opposed say nay no okay and uh clark has a division of the house thank you very much okay now the next item is item 4l and this is the ordinance amending amendment to section 10-7 dash related to accessory dwelling units and let's see who is going to present this for from staff's point of view do you want to speak to the background i can give a high level overview if you'd like mayor uh would you please do that so that the people at home understand what it is we're talking about here and then um and then mr wise can uh can speak to it yep so probably um just probably about two months ago we received a building permit application uh for a detached accessory dwelling unit um and uh it was flagged that the proposal did not meet city code as proposed on the application one because it was detached and two because of the size of the unit um so we brought forward um at a council meeting kind of in a work session format staff had presented i had presented a couple of different options to allow some flexibility within our ordinance to think about is there support for changing our current ordinance on the books leave it the same or you know evaluate it maybe at a future date and the direction was go ahead and change the ordinance one to allow detached accessory structures within our r1 zoning districts and our r1a zoning districts on lot sizes less than an acre no matter what the size allow them and then allow accessory dwelling units up to 50 in size of the principal dwelling unit and by doing that the building permit applicant would be allowed to move forward with their building permit and it would allow additional flexibility for future applications to come through so this went to planning commission at their last planning commission meeting we did prepare a red line ordinance that addressed the consensus that we heard at the city council meeting and the direction the red line ordinance was presented to planning commission they recommended approval of that red line ordinance 5-0 at that meeting there was discussion at the public hearing ms weiss was at the meeting giving public testimony she did have concerns with the item that talks about park dedication fees and within the ordinance there is mention that this is an intensification intensification of land use therefore park dedication fees and sewer and water fees are also required um that's something that wasn't addressed by the council for direction the evening that i was before you the planning commission did have some discussion around it but ultimately their recommendation was just go with the red line ordinance that's what i have for you if you have any further questions for staff either myself or ryan peterson can help answer okay very good um members of the council any questions for staff before i call on mr weiss okay mr weiss please come to the microphone yeah yes and give your name and address for the record sure just hanging from yeah yeah my name is my name is fred wiese 13605 wellington crescent and um in burnsville obviously um i'm just here to kind of reiterate what my wife did last week i could not make it i apologize i was with my son down at winona he had a car isn't it and i had to go help him out so she covered i think pretty good i think she did pretty good last week um well i've been going through the process it's all been going well i you know obviously when you get into the weeds some fees pop up and i just felt like that i wanted to have some representation at that meeting because that was open to the public and i think the 2600 fee i think should be discussed i think going forward obviously i'm looking at it as a business but i'm trying to look at the next person down the line and i just want some discussion what burnsville you know i'll honor whatever you guys decide but i just think there should be discussion that's kind of what i want to make sure i'm here and that's discussed today other than that i don't have much it's been going pretty good thank you yeah i i've been reading through all of the back ground and watch the planning commission no it's going good i got all the engineering specs in the foundation support thank you you told us about all of that when we okay thank you that's it yep okay um miss dean i think when you um when this was presented to us we looked at all of the the regulatory aspects of of this particular project and then it it falls within the policy and the code with regard to park dedication which can you just reiterate all of that because the objection is to the park dedication so um mayor yeah and this is a and this is a business a home business so at the um presentation that i gave before the city council when he gave direction it wasn't brought up about uh park dedication fees the the main things that were discussed were about detached accessory structures if there was support for that and if there was support for changing the size i do recall some conversation about there may be some other things that we want to change but let's save that for the future um and um so you know we gave some options about things that we could look at do we just want to get this done and move this forward do we want a consultant to take a look at this and propose some additional changes the the direction that i received i believe how i interpreted it was move forward move forward as quickly as possible so that this person could get their building permit there wasn't a lot of additional analysis to say okay how do some of these other things impact the city of burnsville the neighbors whether it was fees or density or anything else just let's move forward okay any questions i'm going to council member workmen first and then councilmember schultz and councilmember christepsen thank you um i just i guess i want to and to miss dean's point i don't think we got into the weeds to this level obviously at our last meeting or when this ordinance was our ordinance was written because we didn't have a an example in front of us when we created the adu ordinance and now here we have one and i guess it's probably to be expected that we're going to run into some things that we didn't for see when the ordinance was written so i guess i'm curious how a park dedication fee would come into play on something like this as opposed to this is the could somebody explain to me in layman's terms kind of what the intent of the park dedication fee is for and i understand that we go through this but just for the general public so that it outlays it what the intent is and where we typically utilize those i'm going to go to um mr peterson our public works director mr peterson yeah good evening uh councilman workman members of the council and mayor the program or the ordinance is based upon when we get new living units available to people to live here in burnsville we want to provide a quality park system as well the more units that we have that are from in town the more demand we have on our park system and this is one of the number one ways that we can fund new expansions to the system we can't fund our maintenance of it but things such as the new spray nozzles that we're planning on nicola commons park expansion to the park trail system those kinds of things are what is funded out of this so as we um have more people moving in and that's what understand this is for is for a living there may be trying to use this as a model or something i'm not certain but if it is a living unit it would be similar to any apartment building or other house that was that was put onto the system there eventually would be someone living there who's going to want a nice park system that this would help fund expansions too okay okay councilmember schultz uh so are you telling me that we make so say a person owns their home and then they decide to have people rent rooms inside their home are you telling me that we should have them pay a park dedication fee are those not additional people living there this this would require this would be associated with some type of uh land use or um permit something like that no we don't do any type of requirements or we don't act upon someone making it available for renting i personally see no difference between this and having someone rent a room in their home i they're not subdividing the property they're not selling a parcel they're not doing any of the things that would trigger a normal park dedication fee which normally is they are subdividing or doing other types of things like that and that is not what is happening here and that's also not really the intent um when you're having adus and that type of thing that's that's really not the intent is to subdivide your property and sell your property so i see this from a policy standpoint as zero difference than how we allow our residents to rent out rooms in their homes okay uh yes mr peterson um uh council member seoul's member of the council i think the difference i would point out is uh my understanding this unit would have two new bedrooms there's a constructing unit that has two new bedrooms in it so there is an expansion of living space which would be different than renting so if a homeowner put an egress window in their basement and created a new bedroom you're saying there should be a park dedication fee i'm not saying i'm just simply stating that they are adding two bedrooms and it is another structure that's being added i again i see no difference in this if a homeowner put an egress window in their basement and they now turn one or two more bedrooms into their home i see no difference on this they are not selling the property that's not what's happening here they are not selling the property to someone else so we do not have a property ownership change here this is a a rental situation and i do not think that a park dedication fee in this situation is appropriate that's my view of it and i totally get what you're saying and i also know that you're going through this through it in that way but from a policy standpoint and how i view this there is no difference and i'm not going to interfere with people when they're using their property in this manner nor am i going to penalize them for that if someone was parceling off their property if they were you know doing other types of uses and things like that okay we can look at that but say someone has their family move in with them are we gonna say because you had family move in with you and because now you are have more people in your household than you did before we're going to have a park dedication fee i just i think it's absurd okay councilmember gustafson i wanted to talk about the park dedication now it's always been my understanding of a piece of of land paid a park dedication they wouldn't be paying another park dedication what is it that triggers that that causes for a second park dedicate dedication fee to be paid by the same piece of land okay mr peterson it's the intensification of the use of the land the densification of the use of the intensification intensification of the use of the land so if you give birth this is absurd okay let me ask the question because i know i remember when we did the adu um and uh say which one so one of the things that we talked about is an expansion of the primary structure right and at that time did we say that it would trigger a um uh at park dedication so it's going to be an extension of the primary structure there'll be a door but but it is a separate structure that is intensifying the land and it was like a grandmother home connected to the primary structure would that be defined as intensification of the land um so mayor the trigger would be if the two units are physically walled off with the firewall completely separate entrances even though it's attached to the house it's almost like a duplex but it's technically not that would be considered an accessory dwelling unit triggering the park dedication fee if there was access between the attached unit no firewall a door you could walk through in and out maybe it locks but you can still have access between the two it it would not trigger the park dedication fee so that's still so when i look at this there's a accessory structure but it's not attached to the home now for this one we know it's a business but i think we need to have clarification on the way that we look at these ordinance and how a park dedication fee will be triggered within a residential unit now let's let's talk about what happens in a rural area when we put that in place where they can have an accessory unit would that trigger a park dedication fee in those lots in southwest burnsville that are two three four ten acre lots um mayor it it would trigger a park dedication fee if it's either detached the way our ordinance is written now if it's detached or attached with a firewall and clear separate entrance okay so that is defined in the ordinance okay i just wanted to be clear for me if we defined and adopted those or ordinances because i remember when we worked on the adus there's the accessory units that's separated that we could have in one and two and three acre lots and then there is the extension of a primary unit so the extension of a primary unit a part dedication fee is not triggered if it doesn't have the firewalls but if it has a firewall then it's triggered in a separate entrance yeah and a separate end because right now there isn't we said that it has an entrance from the primary uh structure to the extension that technically would not be if it has the access between yeah the door living spaces whether it's a basement and an addition to the back of the house front of the house whatever inside the house as long as there's access between no firewall it's not considered an accessory dwelling unit it's considered maybe an addition or remodel or just transformation abuse of how you use the space versus that firewall that separate entrance or detach structure okay council member keeley thank you madame eric i understand where councilmember schultz and i think come from our work when we're coming from because we're really talking about a single family home that's putting an adu on and i i think i would agree that that in a circumstance of a lot size with a single-family home if they expand and put a second level on and expand it to 6 000 square feet and they have a whole bunch of people move in we're not uh assessing a dedication fee but when it's suddenly you know the trigger is splitting it and creating this separate living space within a certain size lot i think that should just be allowed period because i think it's all the same thing as council membership is pulling out pointed out i think our ordinance needs to be updated to protect us for those larger lots where there's actually you know it's split off right where they're building additional buildings now even if i had a five acre lot in southwest burnsville and i wanted to make a 10 000 square foot home out there and invite all my relatives and grandparents to all live with me fine even if it even if there was some um interior wall or or i i put a grandma suite in or grandpa suite to a grandma's suite in an entrance and exit i don't it's we're still talking about a single-family home residence really not talking about a commercial development where there's multiple families different families who are living in different structures i think that to me is the spirit of of of that park dedication and why it's there is when you're really growing it beyond maybe your your organic family or your extension of family where you're trying to provide them a little provide privacy with an adu i mean that's really the beauty of doing an adu is you can have maybe mom and dad or grandma grandpa come live with you so you can be closer to them but they you can at least give them a little privacy rather than all being in the same kitchen all being the same living room i mean that's really a great use of these adus along with many other reasons but i don't think i would agree i don't think that is the right trigger to trigger the park dedication i think it's it needs to be um addressed in in a conceptual way for single-family homes to be exempt from that and and apply it to where there's larger types of developments where there is a true growing of different families or different populations moving on to a property with different housing yeah i think this particular ordinance should come back to us so that we can really evaluate it and also take a look at the difference between an extension to a primary structure and also when you're looking at you know you can subdivide or not subdivide but you're going to build an adu so yeah and i think if they did choose to subdivide it well then it's a whole different home it's all different property and uh park dedication is triggered and and it seems very logical there so i think we should take a look at all of that council member workman and then councilmember schultz well councilmember keeley kind of nailed some of the points i was going to mention but if the intent is the intensification of the land use is what guides the park dedication fee then that's later defined by a firewall or a door um i would look to our attorney joel and i don't want to go too far down the legal rabbit hole here but it feels like there's not a hard clear definition on on this and that there's there seems to be room there for misinterpretation of intensification of of the land is solely what's driving this other than a firewall or a separate entrance okay yeah um mr jamnick your discussion is around the edges of a complicated issue because as indicated by council member schultz there's expansions that are unique to the family family growth there's you know actual physical additions state law allows you in many cases to cut do condominiums in splits and create duplexes that don't necessarily get land use approvals but as staff indicated if you put in a separate setting put in you know a basement with separate ingress and egress separate doors and the rest you can add a completely distinct separate family unit not not an accessory supplemental family or you know relatives coming back in and staying in this unit you can have a complete and distinct family uh situation it's not any different than the struggles we have with sewer availability charges water availability charges as you all know metro sac rules regarding intensification separate businesses and those types of things are very complicated this is much in that same area and when the legislature authorize these types of units that's the kind of question that was raised you know doesn't require a separate sewer and water connection requiring sack and waft charges from whom uh watch okay um what are the numbers what are the average uh level of occupancy of these units they're not usually 10 people units so the demand on city infrastructure regional resources and the rest would obvious obviously be less but it is a complicated issue and you have to draw the lines and provide the guidance staff is implementing policies that have been adopted by the council and it's certainly within the purview of the council to change those rules and look at the policy implications and say what do we want to change but i would submit that's the time to do it with your fee ordinance and take a look and have some feedback from staff regarding refinements yeah and the second wac charges are out about control because that comes from the council if you're going to intensify the use of a particular property you're adding more density correct but we have charges in other areas that are are calculated for new developments yeah if if a apartment building comes in and adds a level or expands out a wing and those types of things and creates new apartment units we try to capture that additional impact on our park system storm water systems and water and sewer systems additional units but obviously if you are splitting a two bedroom apartment and remodeling to two single microefficiency apartments the odds are potentially depending on who occupies it you could have either have a reduced loading on your infrastructure or an increased loading on your infrastructure but those are the kinds of policy debates that the city council has to review in a organized fashion saying here's what we want our fee schedule to look like here are some of the intended consequences or unintended consequences we want to address and there is that i mean that is something that council has done in the past that you do in the future and i think we need to take a look at that because you're right it's complicated because it it takes into consideration all of the utilities that's water sewer and um and others so we should take a look at all of that and there may be situations where you keep the additional charge in because there's a separate plumbing connection here with the parks we don't have a direct connection but in many cases our storm water systems we don't either yeah and yet when we're creating more impervious surface by putting the adus in yeah there's an impact on the storm water system that needs to be addressed or if someone's saying well i'm ripping out concrete slabs to put this on there wouldn't be any impact on the system and that's one of the problems we have with any of our governmental tax systems or fee systems you can always find inequities you can always find the gray areas on these things you try to set the policy in a way that applies you know roughly fairly and equitably to the majority of people but you're always going to find exceptions in that situation and sometimes we have variances and deviations and sometimes we present you know departures and recommendations as part of the review process the council to say that this is a apartment building that normally would require 100 connections but it's serving dementia and alzheimer patients or residents so the impact in this particular case is substantially less yeah in our policies in the legislation legislation allows us to take those things into consideration here if the gentleman is using it only for um model home and not being occupied there would be a justification for a departure yeah but that's something that we had talked about previously but didn't address didn't have a staff work up a recommendation but obviously we can take direction from the council and look at this as part of our overall system as you all know we haven't had a large number of these units come through for approval previously yeah i think we should take a look at that because i'm just thinking if you have a meter a water meter or what or a utility meter that can be a trigger so we can we need to take a look at all of those things it is complicated it it has a lot more tails to it than than than what we're doing here tonight so councilmember schultz uh so in looking at the ordinance as as presented i do not have a problem with the pr with the ordinance as presented if the language regarding the park dedication fee is removed one of the reasons why staff really whole but to get this done is because we asked them to speed this up and do this in a hurry so that we would so that we would not pass the absolute groundbreaking time in minnesota because we are going to fast approach the time where you can't break ground and that was one of the reasons why we were we requested and staff did fast track this for us so i am fine with looking at this again um later on probably at the beginning of next year but i'm fine doing that if we we can either adopt this ordinance as it's written minus the park dedication fee language or we can wait but i'm looking at one or the others of those my preference is that we adopt as is um minus the park dedication fee language and then we can come back to that and do a further examination um which our city attorney has listed out several things for us to look at yeah so um mr jamnic i think with that is the what could be done is to wave the park dedication fee for this and put it as mayor council i would advise against doing an ad hoc waiver i'd rather the council make a policy decision in advance of the staff recommendation and delete paragraph 20 from the draft ordinance or or keep the ordinance as presented and then if the council decides to change his policy in the next couple months on the fee review there's only one outstanding park fee that you could refund but i'd rather not have a situation where you just process a deviation from an adopted ordinance um without going through the variance procedure so i think you're i think as council member schultz laid out those would be your two options either adopted as presented with the possibility of changing the policy and refunding or take out number 20 with the idea that you're making a long-term policy decision that will have some implications with duplexes expansions and other types of situations that are potentially there because once you don't collect this we're not going to be able to go back in two years and ask him to pay for the park dedication fee and those types of things so it's not just this application yeah you'd be making the decision on what you're doing going forward with adus yeah and that's what i want to make sure is that uh when we're looking to the future we're going to be addressing everything but we need to look at it very closely so we're all on the same page well my recommendation is that as a is to do the staff recommendation adopt it and then if you decide to change the policy to refund back that is less exposure to the city okay than going without paragraph 20 and then changing the policy okay try to collect it later because then they'd be gone okay councilmember schultz uh and and i do appreciate that um that's that's definitely um [Music] the different routes that we could go um and i i do appreciate the exposure argument um but just as we can later change our policy to here's the thing we can change ordinances like that's what we do so we can adopt this ordinance as council requested because council did not have a discussion of park dedication fees because i do not believe that was anything we were thinking was even a part of that so i would adopt this without the park dedication fees and then have that be something that we discuss later that that's the portion that we bring up and discuss later to see if we want to change that ordinance further to then bring in those park dedication fees on that that would be my suggestion i will let my other city council members have their say on it and then i will probably be making a motion to that effect councilmember gossipson yeah i'm going back and forth on this a little bit but i think what you're talking about makes sense is wave paragraph 20 bring that back for a discussion later on in life and we can we can always add it back in if we kind of go okay in this case we're going to do it in this case we're not going to do it but until we can have that full discussion then we're not playing around with waving and that sort of thing and not causing the applicant to have to put out an extra 2600 in hopes that he may see it back someday okay councilmember workman thank you um echo what's already been said and it seems that there's general consensus on adu's specifically and park dedication fees and we can certainly walk through other hypothetical situations but i think we're all in agreement that when it comes to our adu ordinance that we don't see the need for a park dedication fee is what i'm hearing well there might be councilmember keeley uh we'll be just um reflecting on my prior comments uh i i honestly in in the circumstances of adus because they are um singular in addition to a current residential property and residential home i don't see the need for 20 to be involved in it at all so i would strike it okay iso move that we adopt it striking 20. okay there's a motion to adopt as presented and strike 20. second there's a motion in a second all in favor please say aye okay um a pose saying a and it passes excuse me yes um i'm just verifying the council wants us to come back for further discussion yeah so that we're all clear as to which are the triggers okay you can do it all day work session or future work session yeah i think that's fine because i don't this is the only one we've had in a year or two i don't think there's any rush on that we can take our time to do it we'll get it on time sometime next year okay so we are done with the consent agenda and the next one uh we are at the regular agenda and the first item before you start could i say something real quick oh councilman uh i wanted to talk about what just happened here was a great discussion and uh i'd like to respectfully request from my colleagues that going forward is this is something we always used to do if someone's going to pull something that please let us know that's being pulled so we have time to kind of look at it a second or third time before we get into this discussion and it's just the professional courtesy and it's to us and to our staff so i have staff here in case we're going to pull something they don't have the right person here to answer those questions thank you councilmember gustafsson because that has always been our practice is that um council member would uh inform inform us and so that i can manage the meeting and um the city manager can also make sure that the appropriate staff members are here and then prior to that if we wanted further information for us to make a good informed decision that that can be given to us ahead of time so thank you for putting that on the table councilmember gustafsson and reminding us about our practices thank you okay we're at the regular agenda and the first item on a regular agenda is our sustainability plan update and our uh public works director um mr peterson is going to present this and also um ms subast yes uh thank you madam mayor members of the council is uh we also have a consultant who is with us uh ted are you there hello welcome mr redmond thank you so i'll very briefly introduce this and then uh we'll return it over but uh ryan griezmann public works director we got sue bast our sustainability coordinator and then ted redmond from pale.llc who helped lead us through our sustainability plan update as soon as we lead off with some of our past accomplishments and then ted will go through what the plan entails and we'll try to move through this at a nice pace very good thank you so much and i want to thank you mr peterson miss bass and mr redmond for all of the work that you've done because when you look back to when we first adopted our sustainability plan in 2009 we far exceeded all of the expectations matter of fact to the point that the state keep trying to add more blocks because we keep um far um exceeding all of those markers so um who's msu best are you going to tee it up for mr bredman good evening mayor council members as the mayor mentioned uh we uh the council adopted the original sustainability plan in 2009 and i thought i would just highlight some of the different accomplishments that we have done and this is just a few of them but they're very important ones and i just wanted to make sure people remembered that all the the great stuff that has happened in the city so crystal lake is off the impaired waters list um city staff used a number of strategies to reduce the phosphorus level misspelled yes i think you've done more than just crystal lake early lake early lake is off the impaired waters list yes and this was all within the sustainability plan yes which is very hard to do and burnsville has had two yes lakes off the impaired waters list thank you yes um we have been moving to electric vehicles and equipment we've got three charging ev charging stations one in the parking ramp parking deck and a surface slot we have a plug-in electric city vehicle and eight hybrid coyote toyota priuses fleet vehicles and an electric line marking robot so those are and that electric line marking robot helps reduce not only fuel consumption but also labor costs as the mayor said we are participating in the minnesota greenstep cities and we have gotten the step five award the that is a state recognition program that focuses on achieving sustainability goals and step five is the highest award and only a few cities have been have been able to reach that level city property conservation members measures we've been throughout the years we've been replacing obsolete and worn out equipment with the most energy efficient available and using rebates from utilities to do this parks recycling and organics there's 22 parks that have recycling and we are collecting organics at our city buildings potable water conservation measures there's the drinking water protection overlay district and rebates rebates program for smart irrigation controllers last year we received the soul smart award a bronze award for taking steps to encourage solar energy growth and then the oak savannah restoration we received a grant to restore 26 acres of terraced oaks park and then the next slide this one i just is really kind of bringing all the different things we do together it is the city operations greenhouse gas emission reduction graph using a 2005 using 2005 as a baseline city established a goal of reducing city operation emissions 15 by 2015 30 by 2025 80 percent by 2050 and those goals are in line with the state goals and uh they're aggressive the city exceeded the 2015 goal 15 and in 2019 greenhouse emissions from city operations were 30 percent lower than in 2005 that's five years ahead of schedule so all the things that we've done in the past 10 years have uh really paid off thank you all right yes questions very nice comments on those otherwise we'll get into the the next phase that we're doing thank you all right ted it's all yours excellent great well uh hello mayor and members of this uh city council thank you very much for letting my two-dimensional self be with you tonight uh well welcome thank you and you can go ahead and click through uh and one more time there so the first thing i wanted to touch is a little bit of the process the background we did have an engagement process as a part of this last summer we began a lot of in-person sessions showed up at events to collect input we also had an online survey that was open for many months to collect an awful lot of input actually hundreds of people took that and then we also had an online survey here open of the last three months or so for folks to be able to review the draft plan next please as a part of the input we also had significant input from a stakeholder team which comprised a number of people from many different organizations and associations and residents throughout the community and of course the sustainability team had significant uh input because they were deeply involved in the development of the plan itself excellent before we talk about what's in the plan i just wanted to touch we did a number of background studies to support the plan itself one of those was the vulnerability assessment which we completed a few years ago actually and in that vulnerability assessment we note that we have already recognized some climate change impacts in the area we've seen some temperature increase some increase in number of days over 95 but more importantly as we project out through the end of the century we anticipate a continuation of those by the end of the year or end of the century upwards of potentially nine degrees uh hotter average temperature uh 30 percent heavier uh if more heavy rainfall events and up to 56 more days over 95. next he says that like over the last 20 years also we have seen an increase in extreme weather events if we compare the uh 97 to 2007 versus 2007 to 2017 we've seen an increase of 46 of extreme weather events in dakota county uh with a total uh uh impact economic impact of over 200 million dollars in that time frame next slide so the sustainability plan itself is rooted in the city council's uh commitment sustainability commitment and uh statement of burnsville being committed to stewardship through the creative and innovative approaches to natural resources financial and equity next slide uh great thank you the overarching goals of the plan beyond that can be summed up by indicating that the goals are to protect burnsville's natural resources the protection of burnsville's most vulnerable and community-wide greenhouse gas reduction goals in line with the state of minnesota and as soon just described that's 40 emissions percent below 2005 emissions by 2030 and then 80 below by 2050. next slide the plan is organized around 10 technical sections or sectors and each of those sectors beyond broad sustainability measures also include strategies and actions related to that greenhouse gas emission reduction goal as well as climate added adaptation actions and strategies that's what those little symbols there denote next please so we'll just take a quick uh to try to keep it in a short time frame rather than getting into the detail of you know 130 page document we're just going to give you some highlights looking first at the buildings and energy section that section has four primary goals with a number of supporting strategies and detailed actions on how to get those goals an example of one of those goals is goal a which is a ten percent decrease in residential and commercial electric use citywide again in line with the overarching goals next slide please community health has five overall goals uh and an example would be d to develop a standardized educational program on ways to improve conservation and pollution reduction next slide fleet equipment has three guiding goals an example of that is uh a emissions and fuel reductions associated with the city's fleet operations next slide ground cover has three driving goals an example of that would be a to increase the tree canopy cover and diversity city-wide achieving 33 coverage by 2030. next slide land use has three guiding goals an example of that would be a to increase city-wide acres of transit-oriented development by 10 percent by 2030. next slide local food has two uh guiding goals and an example would be the first one there increased number of community gardens to six city-wide by 2030 with a prioritization to neighborhoods with limited food access limited vehicle access and elevated poverty next slide please renewable energy energy has three guiding goals and an example of that would be a which is to achieve a 7.5 percent on-site solar for residential and commercial uses by 2030 next slide solid waste also has three guiding goals and the c is a good example of one which is to promote commercial and multi-family recycling next slide transportation has four are overarching goals and an example would be c to increase electric vehicle adoption to 10 percent of city-wide vehicle use by 2030. next slide and water the last technical section really has a dual focus uh it focuses both on drinking water water quality as well as uh surface water quality uh clearly they do relate to each other and a good example of one of the four overarching goals would be uh b to meet burnsville's total maximum daily load the tmdl requirements for allo magnet and keller lakes next slide please so all of these actions are integrated into an implementation and monitoring plan which is the last section of the report and what i like to point out is for a comprehensive robust sustainability plan like this implementation really ends up being all of us it's city council its staff members and its residents and businesses in the community next slide please um the implementation matrix that is in the back of the report details out a responsibility matrix for each action who would be leading responsibility who's supporting responsibility and even some estimated budgets where appropriate or possible to estimate at this point in time and those actions are all organized into major project groupings and the purpose for that is to easily pull together robust actions together into one project or two projects that could be done on an annual basis or at least organized together where implementing one project grouping can touch a number of goals and actions across all of the sectors or many of the sectors at once so the major project groupings that we've organized here are all organized around themes but you can see where they can touch multiple categories next slide please and the one thing that i'll touch on we talked about uh the online survey for the draft report uh so the uh final draft report or the final report as we're presenting here has been online for uh three months or so and throughout all of the sectors people had the opportunity to provide comments on each section the support for the plan i would say was pretty positive we've got almost 80 percent uh of the respondents being uh in agreement of in support of the plan strongly five percent that were not supportive and then the balance were kind of right in the middle neither here nor there not going to please everyone mr redmon that's right i keep trying though uh ryan would you like to talk a little bit about this slide right and i got the last one before questions or comments um for to to make this plan happen obviously it's going to require some funding to on different items that one of the things we'll be looking forward to clearly not in 2021 but uh in order to complete some of the things that don't fit in nicely to one of our different departments now and to really get out in the community to do things like talk about community health or how we can bring making sure everyone knows that their house is solar um is a good place for solar it'll just be a couple things we'll need some more assistance right now we have one halftime fte dedicated to this and we think in order to make this plan a reality in 10 years and make it through it we would need a full-time person so at some point we would come to you definitely not a 20-21 item but we will bring be bringing that forth hopefully in the next two to five years for consideration and then um how we're going to get all this done well basically what we plan on doing is bringing different um topics to you you saw the 10 or 11 major projects like this year we're going to be it's already in the budget to do the um multimodal plan uh the natural resources master plan update is in there that meets this and there was one more item um that we're for sure uh planning oh yeah the fleet study where we plan on uh going through our entire fleet system to make it can you put the pillars of success up say it again the pillars of success you know the grouping yes there the plan framework use the same language right there we go so we'd be bringing forth um different projects within those on an annual basis in order to knock off whatever makes the most sense that different departments can handle at the time so there isn't one master the plan is going to cost us this much we plan on coming to you with different budget items as we go forward through the years to accomplish these things um so with that that is the primary um presentation we're looking for any input on this and we can make any modifications and then we'd be bringing hoping to bring this back to you by the end of the year for a final adoption so i think one of the things that our residents and everybody needs to know this is looking at our whole function as a city and one of the things that i know ms best and you hear from me all the time because our partners and our businesses are doing a great deal around reduction in greenhouse gases example what happened with the actions that black dog plant have done just by going to combined cycle and in 2015 i think it was april 13 2015 we saw the last cold train come into black dog just that action of t of re of not using coal i think reduced the footprint of greenhouse gas in that area at least this is what the president told me 46 so when we look at that and you know you look at what i remember when costco came in for their development and all of the practices that they were going to put in place with regard to um sustainability and all of that and i think a lot of them have done a lot of that i wonder if we took a survey of what our companies are doing that could also give us some insight uh on on what the city's really footprint is one thing to note on that is one of the items is is to create a sustainability checklist for puds in city finance projects so that um there will be clearly defined pud benefits based upon sustainability that we work with our developers on to more clearly identify this is what we want maybe they're going to get a reduction in green space but they make it the building solar ready or better yet put solar panels on or put an electric charge so one of the items that we would be working on through the years would be that exactly yeah and because the one thing that we did with the heart of the city is that we included a lot of practices um that were sustainable practices yeah we continue to make more yeah as well and i think um mr peterson and a lot of the work that's going on in public works today especially when um when we're looking at street reconstruction and all of that you're reusing all of that and we're using less and less of the raw materials that's coming in because you're reusing when you pulverize and reuse the uh the concrete or the um yeah the asphalt right we and then we don't have to truck so there's much less trucking going on than there would be if it was all brand new material correct yeah so okay council members any thoughts i mean it i'm excited about all of this work because but uh but uh what we're going to be doing is making sure that our community um continues to be viable and vibrant for our children and grandchildren and that you know we're making sure that they know what a savannah oak looks like yeah we're working to uh get phase three trying to get a grant this year so we're continuing out there yeah okay any thoughts i think when you bring that in i think we should always make sure that we have a good understanding of it and then how much and i know you said that it's not going to be for 21 but for 22 and perhaps you know what are we going to need to make some of these efforts um a reality and it and everything we do is going to need some money to make it a reality okay is that councilmember councilmember gustafsson i i like the plan i'm uh i'm excited about community gardens throughout the city trying to identify where we would put all those and because it requires water and all kinds of different things they'll go with it but that's an exciting and i know we already have plans for our city vehicles to go to electric i think we're already in that process of doing some of that now so i think was it 20 uh mr peterson well one exciting thing is our this will be this year on the police cruisers is be the first year we are purchasing hybrid uh forward explorer police cruisers so they found out now that they meet all the needs of the police and can be in that room that's a vehicle that goes 100 000 miles in three years so we're really getting bang for our buck from sustainability on those so the way we'll measure that is comparing it to gas hybrid you know isn't necessarily all plug-in but there will be some that we plug in and the fleet study that we're proposing will get into an electrification goal as well so i was thinking on those community gardens we have to look at our partnerships because you know we started them out in neil park and then we had the we needed to have one out on the east side but a lot of our partnerships with the churches and with the y and with arbors you know those are all wonderful um community gardens all over the city so let's not all try to do it ourselves but let's partner with with our community council member augusta i just want to add on to that it kind of struck me when you talked about puds and that sort of thing and i can see where at some point well maybe with some of the multi-unit type buildings that a community garden becomes part of what they build out there for for all their apartment dwellers and all that and yeah i mean it's just something to think about as we move along here yeah how we structure all this and that well that's how we started on the on the west side because there were all these folks who live in apartments or townhouses and they didn't have um the land space so they wanted to have gardens and so we took part of our park system and made it into a community credits for those gardens towards green space and things like that and an accelerated rate matter of fact we sold all the plots and there were people on wait lists although i do i did like cara's idea a few years ago of having some orchards around town here just so people could just pick an apple right you have something to add on that well you can make my night if you go back to the presentation one of the uh i don't know if you can show on the screen but it is local agriculture and nutrition security study and plan is one of our major project groups so that would be all this kind of thing would be on the table they've talked about making agriculture available in the lowlands of the minnesota river so also just this would be an example of one where we would need a full-time person in sustainability to post we just don't have the it doesn't fit into you don't have the manpower right now exactly so um but this is the kind of stuff we want to do because one of the overarching goals is the uh most vulnerable populations and if you can grow your own food and this is one way to meet a goal if you can't you know i i really like like what uh valley natural foods is doing too yes and then um out by the maintenance center do you have something going on over there you have a rain garden you have a rain garden okay yeah that's wet okay it looks pretty nice yeah but valley natural foods garden is really nice i heard that it's very political over there i said i heard that that gets very political over there with uh space yes i know okay is there anything else this is really terrific stuff no we're excited i mean i'm right we're happy to see you guys are excited about it uh we are very excited about it we this is stuff that's fun to do yeah and you know you're making a difference and we intend upon um moving forward like you said we even have three four items out of this already planned for 2021. okay thank you and thank you mr breadman for all of your help thank you and if i may i just wanted to uh thank you first of all for uh letting us work with you all on this project we've been very honored to work with really a fantastic team uh the city of burnsville has amazing staff so thank you for that experience but more importantly i want to thank you just as a somebody who lives in this metropolitan area thank you very much for your leadership as a city uh and helping to illustrate the right way to go with sustainability so thank you for those efforts thank you thank you okay all right so thank you very much great work keep on we'll be back sometime this uh fall yet with uh final plan adoption that looks very good thank you all right miss muscali uh your update madam mayor and council we have tonight miss jenny rhodey who provide a brief financial update for the council on covid a brief pull that update good evening madam mayor council members as we've done at various times through through this pandemic i'm here to just give a brief update on some a few select areas kind of some things we've been been tracking in previous updates this first slide looks at general fund charges for services and kind of where where we land with those this through august we've collect and this the major areas here include ems revenues and charges engineering charges to projects those are kind of our two major areas there's also you know other fees included in this total um actual charges through august that revenues that we've collected are about 3.4 million at about 54 of our budget for 2020. so those those um those fees are down uh one of the kind of one of the major impacts was um ambulance runs and ems revenues um during the early stage of the stages of the pandemic were really down for a few months those have come back to at normal or exceed normal levels but you know we still do expect to be under budget approximately 775 000 for the year or about 12 percent permit revenues through september 30th are at 1.1 million dollars or about 72 percent of budget um at the conti at the current rate we expect to be around 95 000 under budget for the year now there are a couple of projects uh apartment projects that are in the pipeline it it just remains to be seen whether those will be received in 2020 or 2021 but we do still expect respect those that's pretty good ninety-five thousand out of a million five that's that's five or six percent yeah in a year like this it's remarkable yeah so we've kind of maintained and we budget for an average year so you know we're just under an average an average year this slide kind of looks at a couple a few of our recreational areas first recreation program fees in the general fund uh that revenue item through september 30th is about 135 000 or about 43 of budget recreation program fees with you know the kind of the the halt on programming reduced softball fees and reduced facility reservations really account for for the most of that um those are offset too by the the fact that we didn't hire seasonals in those areas so that did help offset that in the general fund ice center revenues through september 30th are 458 000 about 40 percent of budget certainly um the closure for over three months impacted the ice center as well as you know they're operating in a reduced capacity they're not able to do concessions um i don't believe we're doing learn to skate at this time so there are some areas that they're just not able to to um to collect revenue we're moving into the winter season and so hopefully we can that is the busiest season we'll just we'll keep monitoring this this area and the golf course good news on that um we're at 110 a budget there the rounds have exceeded the loss in league fees so that that's some good news in that front um at the bottom here we just have projections for kind of net loss net income for the year for the two areas ice center we're projecting around 257 000 dollars net loss for the year the golf course is projected to have net income of about 49 000 so and this final slide um just an update on city um coven 19 cost funded repairs through september just i think we've it's been a couple months since we've kind of looked at where those those expenses are direct costs overtime emergency paid sick leave ppe other supplies those kinds of expenses we're at about a 470 thousand dollars and we have a couple of projects or kind of larger items that are going we have that hvac negative ion generator project in the facilities fund of about 130 000 that is currently underway or going to be getting underway and we have a couple of it projects um including what which include teleconferencing improvements in the community rooms i believe we've got equipment for remote work and um a scheduling i think an online scheduling app so those make up about 92 000 and the remaining the remaining grant in the general fund will go towards eligible public safety and other staff payroll costs going towards the pandemic thank you questions from miss rhodey mr councilmember gossip said not really a question um you kind of alluded the fact that we can't do concessions at the ice center and i assume other things like our ballparks and things like that it's kind of struck me and i've talked i've talked about this before maybe during this downtime it's a good time for us to look at maybe leasing out our concessions to privates to come in and run all of our disks and concessions in the city where we're not responsible for that any longer except for collecting rent from these people and hopefully they'll upgrade the concessions that we have throughout our system out here so anyways it's something just to think of i just want to throw it out there while we're down and we're talking about it because i don't think we'll be selling concessions anytime soon but it's certainly a good opportunity for us to look at other avenues besides just doing it ourselves again maybe next year uh mr peterson yeah um i can speak that just briefly but uh like a crystal beach park this year we did work with food truck operators so that they could go there so it wasn't like there was no service on this at all but that would be you know a little bit different than you know actually operating our building could be one of the same food truck operator might want to lease one of those kitchens so yes indeed and we'd have to determine the difference between us and there or them in there versus a food truck but yeah i would like to need a commissary yeah i would like to see an analysis from staff on the advantage and disadvantages when you do that because i think you know we can take a look at all of those things it might be okay all-day work session yeah they do it on the series is mascara and miss did you want us to act on the uh resolution that's before us there isn't there's a resolution no resolution there's no this is informational i think right now i think you catch one that i missed [Music] yeah excuse me supporting real political businesses for safe references right resolution in the background that has to do with the city council to support reopening local business and this is something that ms mascarly and i have been talking about so i just you want us to act on adopting this resolution tonight yeah madam air and council i'm sorry i had you know cares money and finance stuff on the brain so i lost sight of this um earlier this summer the council had passed a resolution encouraging the governor um on some reopening strategies and um i thought it would be something the council may want to consider as well to as we get into the winter months so happy to make any edits you'd like to see or adopted as presented members of the council um we i participated in call yesterday with the governor this is a call with the mayors from minnesota and he's been very good on a monthly basis to meet with us and this item was on the table for discussion so but they're continuing to look at the numbers so it's very open but he understands that you know we need to make sure that our businesses can continue to thrive again and so i think the resolution if you look at it is appropriate and that like for us to adopt it and so it can be sent council member schultz yes absolutely i think we should adopt this when we had the discussion about looking at adopting a resolution the genesis of this was the chamber had adopted a resolution to send to the governor and some of the information included in that resolution is startling such as losing 40 percent of our hospitality i believe within this this winter time that's a tough projection to see and uh just stand by um so i i do think that as the chambers are becoming more active and more insistent i am definitely in support of them i'm in support of our our you know not just our local businesses that are trying to survive but people that are hoping they have a job that they will be able to pay their bills we are starting to see not just primary layoffs in what you see is normally affected situations which is you know your hospitality and that type of thing but we are now starting to see our layoffs in our medical areas and in our manufacturing areas and that is deeply concerning to me so i wholeheartedly support our resolution i do urge our governor to return control to local control rather than these just statewide um one-size-fits-all rules which are one-size-fits-none and and we can work with our businesses and our businesses have done amazing things they are working hard to protect their employees they're working hard to make a safe environment for customers or clients and we have to start trusting them we have to start working with them and trusting them in a meaningful manner so i am wholeheartedly in support of this and thank you very much yeah and he understands uh in our conversation that one size doesn't fit all because what may um fit for metro south of the river is not going to be the same for ely and so and so he understands all of that and we're we're going to continue to work together on all of this but a resolution communicates where the city of burnsville stands on all of this council member gus stepson uh mayor i i also support this resolution uh most of you know i'm i take this code very serious i wear my mask i show some distance where i'm supposed to and we take precautions but i also work very uh tightly with the retail and restaurants and of course you know music festivals all kinds of different things we do and we have found ways to play by the rules and get things done and i think most of the businesses out there take this serious as well and they will do what it takes to enhance whatever security they have to do as as we open up a bit more i agree you know in the beginning there was a lot of fighting about all this stuff i think that some of that has settled down now people are accepting the fact that yeah this is real we need to kind of take care of it's going to be with us for a while so they're learning how to work with it and around it to make things happen so i think it's time that in our state that we can start opening up a bit more and you know just put it on our citizens i mean it's the business will do their job but it's also our job as citizens to be part of that solution with these businesses so they can stay open yeah and and he talked about uh you know working with the restaurant association because for them too they're looking at consumer confidence if people don't feel like so the thing that we need to make sure um from my perspective is that continue to wear the mask and then have contact tracing if you open it up a hundred percent then you know because the restaurants are saying you know we want to make sure people are comfortable coming in because if something happens and they have to shut down because you know somebody in in on their staff is diagnosed with cope at 19 then then they shut down so they they truly understand i think everyone is trying to make sure that we all work through all of this together but it it is time for us to make sure that our business will will continue to thrive but they also need to look at from my perspective what is their business going to look like a year from now two years from now and what kind of business plan can they put in place to say that i can sustain this and thrive after we find a vaccine but so may i have a motion to adopt the resolution please motion to adopt second third okay councilmember schultz makes a motion second by councilmember keeley all in favor please say aye aye aye aye opposing a and a motion carries madam here yes just one comment on that was this resolution shared with our business community and other partners like the chamber the cbb you know other agencies uh that have done similar miss mescali i think you might have had some conversation but uh madam mayor and council we intend to share it with the chamber following council adoption you know it's it's it's not it's not official until you go out there and share it without us uh having our eyeballs on it and uh and adopting it i think the you're you're doing the right thing sure and i know it's it's published in our meeting materials but it's kind of buried in there and i think it would have deserved a call out to our partners to make sure that they're on aware of it and working because they may want to turn around and and once it's officially passed by us as it was presented um help us publish it and and strengthen the voice we need we need these partners i think they will okay so ms muscali is there anything else other than that we've adopted the resolution for tonight i don't think so madam mayor happy to stand for any questions okay uh if there are no questions for miss muscali and miss rhodey um i was just going to say there are no other items to come before this body and come to remember gusto said makes the motion to adjourn second second by council member workmen all in favor please say aye aye opposed say nay and emotion carries good evening and thank you for being with 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