[Music] m [Music] we on morning everybody welcome to this May 6 meeting of the Charlotte City Council Transportation Planning and Development Committee as usual we will start with introductions beginning over there in the corner with Mr petton that was right good double swelton Planning Commission Peterson Malcolm oh sorry Alison Craig planning director Malcolm Graham Committee Member Ed dgs committee chair Liz bson assistant city manager Yolanda Jones planning uh Brent Kagel interim CEO Catz ly Alexander Charlotte Transportation BR Bal cats Eric spanberg Business Journal and online Miss Mesut planning director Dante Anderson mayor Pro 10 Marjorie Molen Vice chair good morning Victoria watlington Committee Member of serving at large I think that's everybody great we have two items today uh one is a cat's update and the other a planning update so we'll start with Mr Kagel yes sir good morning uh everyone and good morning to all members of the tpd have a couple things to share with you today one just a little bit of information that we've already gathered related to the love and Life Festival and the use of cats um for the weekend or for whatever people we're coming up town for over the weekend um it was very successful um we did see uh an increase a significant increase in ridership over the weekend at least a 50% increase in ridership over the weekend right now we're estimating somewhere in the neighborhood of 70 to 880,000 uh Riders over the weekend we sold approximately uh 3,000 to 3500 passes um for the event this was one where we offered a three three-day Festival cats pass um for Riders who were coming out and so we saw pretty strong sales in that we also saw several um um High usage of our ticket vending machines on platforms Safety and Security um and our ambassadors were out in full force to help people um understand the ins and outs of ridership and we saw um we we got a lot of generally positive feedback on our efforts to uh move folks and get them where they were going we also saw a pretty high rate of fair compliance over the weekend so were um it was it was all around a good event um can't wait for next year I suppose um Mr Kel were there any schedule adjustments to accommodate the special traffic conditions yeah so on each day of the event uh especially during um uh the uh close of the event uh for each day we would add trains and um on several of the days if you had parked at the end of line so JW Clay University City um or 485 um because we knew the rail uh especially at the end of each night was going to be very busy we added um special buses or Express buses so that if passengers didn't want to wait for the next train they could just hop on a bus and take them to end of line um the rail the additional trains uh worked very well as as well as the express buses um again we got a lot of generally good feedback had a few issues with people um you know crossing the tracks and and those kinds of things but they were all very minor um and and everyone was safe and uh it was it was definitely a success uh the primary item on the agenda that I wanted to talk about or give in my update is the FTA financial management oversight or fmo full scope System review or FSS R report that was issued by the FTA uh each member should have received this information there are three documents the first of which is a letter from Dr IET Taylor who is the Region 4 administrator this is the letter that the FTA sent to us on April 2nd um I'm sorry on uh May 2nd uh then you'll have a response uh from cats that we sent back to the FTA on April 2nd and uh lastly you have the fmo uh review report um provided by or conducted by sear and Rosenberg they were contracted with by the FTA to conduct the review um so again in summary Sager and Rosenberg or R agreed that in quotes Management's assertion that the city of Charlotte has maintained effective internal control over its compliance with FTA financial management system requirements so that was the primary or their overall um finding or um observations as they conducted the review um however there were four findings that they identified um there are three levels of findings in these types of reviews the highest level or the worst is material weakness the middle is significant deficiency and the lowest level is an advisory comment all four of our findings fell into the middle or significant deficiency category um I'm happy to provide you just a summary and could answer more questions if you have specifics about each one but in general terms um the first three finding ings were all related to cats not being able to provide requested documents by the date that the contractor Sager and Rosenberg specified us provide them so they asked for a document and said please provide this by xday we were able to provide the documents but we were not able to provide uh three of those documents by the date that they specified um and there there are reasons for that I'm happy to share with you if if you'd like to know but the fourth finding was similar in that it was a review of our fixed assets and how we record fixed Assets in the city's accounting system munus and they and they felt like the fixed Assets in the system it was not clear there was not a field in munice that clearly stated that the city or cats holds title to the asset and secondly they believed that it was too difficult or not prominently dis displayed in the record the condition of the asset and those are both FTA requirements so again not that those that information wasn't provided to them but again it wasn't a we weren't able to provide it quite in the way that they would have expected to see it so again all of those find those are the four findings we do believe that these findings we we think this was a good audit a very clean audit um our response again dated April 2nd um was provided to the FTA and um I'm sorry our response dated May 2nd was provided to the FTA and we will be working over the N next 90 days to uh Rectify all of these uh four issues so that's it on uh uh I would like to comment we had requested that the FTA move up the schedule for performing this audit as a result of some of the uh difficulties that came to light about cats about a year and a half ago and uh so I think this outcome uh is very very positive and a great reflection on how we have kind of recovered from some of the issues that were going on then uh essentially what came out were these deficiencies in terms of just kind of recordkeeping so it wasn't that there was anything wrong it was just we weren't able to kind of produce the documents demonstrating that we were operating uh in accordance with the plans so I think it's a big win for cats wanted to congratulate you Brent and and everybody at cats uh uh I think in light of the way things were some time ago this could have been a lot worse and um uh I'm very pleased and relieved that it came out the way it did because it is in fact uh a very clean audit I I did have one question uh when you do Financial audits normally there's like a management letter or there sometimes there's uh interaction between the management and the Auditors in terms of uh like you know was the uh was the staff responsive and what was the audit process like etc etc is there nothing like that for this type of audit we had exit interviews with the consultant and with the FTA um however they have not captured that in in written form but after they uh were done doing their field work and their interviews we did do exit interviews with them um to to do just that to discuss what went well you know how we could make the process better of being audited but also in general um these items so fair to say that right now we're in good standing with the FDA yes sir yeah excellent all right uh do you have anything else for us no sir question yes so I do want to lend my voice to the or was it Mr Johnson uh I think yeah Miss Johnson I wanted to uh indicate you came on the call I think after the introduction so welcome and I guess I think it was yeah yeah why don't you go first thank you thank you for the welcome thank you for the presentation uh Mr Kel um I I did hear the the end of the report about the um the the bus system during the festival and that was great to hear I loved more Express buses and and more microtransit up in the university area permanently so that's great to hear um I did want to ask about if we're going to receive an update about the MTC deferring the budget for cats um can you give us an update on that information uh yes ma'am so at the last MTC meeting uh there were three action items for the MTC to consider uh one to approve the operating budget the second to approve our capital budget and the third to approve our debt budget they approved two of the budgets the capital budget and the debt budget um but the vice chair M mayor Knox did ask to defer vote on the operating budget until uh either a special meeting or the um May regularly scheduled meeting Miss Johnson uh that is probably related to an ongoing conversation we're having with the other members of the MTC about the details of an updated uhou is it for the MTC or local AG yes mayor KNX stated that that he felt that there was great progress being made in discussions amongst all the members related to the inter local agreement um and he asked that the operating budget the vote be deferred until as those discussions continue so those conversations are actually going on still the manager is is and and our uh legal staff are working on some language changes to the old agreement reflecting some of the concerns that have been expressed by the other members of the MTC we expect all of that to get resolved I think in the very near term okay thank you because that does affect our budget obviously right for the city yes we're working to ensure that our budget uh can can move forward on schedule okay thank you any other questions yeah uh I I'll jump in there yeah go ahead yeah uh first again just want to thank go back to the report um and then I want to get back to the operating budget too um the MTC review have the have they seen the copy of the final report have they been given a presentation and are they satisfied with the results yes sir yes yes yes yes yes yes all the above all the above at at the April meeting um everything except our response the formal letter was provided to the MTC at that time we talked to them about what our response would be we just hadn't ridden it yet so so yes we presented it to the MTC and they they asked several questions but yes yes yes so does that um alleviate their concern for an an independent audit does this kind of satisfy what where they were trying to achieve in terms of getting the answers that they wanted about the system I believe it demonstrates that the FTA has done this off cycle review and they have found these four minor things but again just minor so minor items okay and then and going back to the operating budget and you know again how significant is that they're not approving it now have fun with that one um well I would say that um for city council our budget needs to be included in the manager's recommended budget um and ultimately approved um and so if we get to the end of May or to the MTC meeting in May uh my recommendation to the MTC would be no deferral on on the May um meeting for the operating budget um because we will need some budget to include in the June uh final city council you know authorized or or recommended budget for City Council in June and and that their approval of two of the three and the lacking of the operating budget based on what again so uh and I'm asking questions I already know the answer to but I think it's really important that the public understands um what's Happening Here let me take a shot at that uh the the omission of the operating budget as I understand it was not a reflection of concerns they had about the operating budget it was more a procedural issue about they wanted to get these other matters resolved the governance question the update of the agreement uh before moving ahead uh because they had had workshops and other things they've had opportunities to look at the operating budget and there are no outstanding issues from those I think it's fair to say and therefore uh I'm interpreting this as a kind of procedural point that they would like to see us finish the process of updating the agreement uh but before they take the action well and that's the point I'm trying to get one really doesn't have anything to do with the other am am I exact am I fault in thinking that way I think that's fair to say isn't it yeah I will agree with Mr dggs so I got a headache about that uh and I just want to go on the public record of of saying that I think we're at a a unique Point um where Regional cooperation is really important and and and that we have to um continue to focus on uh what's best for the region for all of us I'm not sure this makes a whole lot of sense for anybody um governance issue I'm not sure you're going to solve a governance issue in two weeks or three weeks uh I think that's a longer conversation for a wide variety of parties involved um and um um I I just think it's more complicated than was being U outlined here today enormous amount of respect for my colleagues in the region um my my district probably is larger than five or six of the towns combined and I think it's really important that we don't allow the tail the Wag the Dog so I'll just leave it there and to be continued Mr Graham I agree with you uh I think we are intent on not allowing our progress towards the goal uh to be slowed down and we are in a difficult situation I think some long-standing tensions within the MTC have bubbled up and so we're doing our best to be responsive at the end of the day it comes down to an authority right I mean the ultimate realization of the regional plan is going to depend on the creation of a completely different structure and and I've tried to argue that that that takes more time and that we shouldn't be held up now with this uh you know modifying the agreement that we have now because really the plan is to get to a whole different structure but uh it is what it is uh I'm very hopeful that we will have um a Way Forward very soon well I um um I hope we're right um I mean General uh assembly s session and there's some important conversations there we need to move it we there's important conversations about the red line uh and some other stuff and again um those are way more important from my perspective uh than trying to resolve a long-going issue in three to four weeks that I think it's going to take a lot more to do I think we need to uh like Don Staley would say make the main thing the main thing and I think there's a couple of things that are right in front of us that's more important than um not approving the operating budget um I think we need to make the main thing the main thing and focus on what we need to do that will Propel the region for the next 5 10 years if we do it right uh and then we pivot back to what is a conversation I'm willing to have um about governance and authority and at at a later date but certainly um um we can't allow the the tail the Wag the Dog uh and we got a clean audit um for the last year and a half uh cast has been doing tremendous work you've come in there and fixed what was broken uh brought in new staff U uh increased ridership in terms of of the operating of the system uh here in the city in the county uh and I think those things need to be acknowledged publicly uh by the region um and then if there any outstanding issues that we have to address collectively then we should do that in a manner that it's um Forward Thinking um and uh all of us working together moving it forward so I I've said enough but I just think it's really important that um that we acknowledge the receipt of the report uh and acknowledge um how I believe we should move forward thank you thank you I have Miss watlington hey uh M Mr chair I just was going to agree with uh both of you so I'll keep it brief just this is a longer conversation and perhaps we could have a meeting I don't know with the representative for from MTC I tend to think a little uh differently I think there's an opportunity for us to to to to to to work with the um the MTC um I as far as I know the decision to defer was almost unanimous with uh with just our mayor voting against it and then even from a uh the city manager perspective I believe that they're all on board so are you know perhaps we it's an opportunity to step back and and take a look at those other parties the other I don't know the seven towns and seven city managers I mean if it's 14 people we might want to step back and listen so it's just about NE negotiating and and relationship building in my opinion when we did not agree to that independent audit I I I was opposed to that then and I think that this this approach of um just being very firm and and not negotiating is leading us in a direction that that this is why we are here today so I just think a different approach if we if we wanted to consider the regionalism and know that we need those and I we all know that we need the towns but I think this firm approach is is getting us into it's it's h it's more trouble than it is a benefit thank you so uh I don't think this is the right uh setting for uh going further in depth on this uh I I will just say that uh Charlotte's position has been to try and Achieve an outcome that properly reflects the fact that we own the asset the employees work for us and we are liable for the debt of cats and therefore uh there are certain kind of priorities that we're trying to uphold and at the same time we're also trying very hard and leaning in uh to be responsive to the issues that have been brought to us there hasn't been a lack of Engagement um but uh we came from a place where we were sort of pretty far apart on how all of this should work the MTC was put together in the first place with one man one vote meaning that Pineville and Charlotte had the same weight in their voting process and that to me was a clear indication that it was not meant to be a controlling body for cats we wouldn't have agreed to be a party to Something in which we had only one vote if it was going to actually run that show so we have some issues that were kind of endemic to the original agreement that uh we we now belatedly need to work out but as Mr Graham points out at the moment we're under time pressure because progress towards our greater goal of uh getting a new Revenue Source approved and being able to move ahead with these Investments depends on our being able to act pretty quickly right now and approach the legislature so uh if everybody's okay I don't want us to kind of dive too deep into that that's kind of where we are at the moment uh again we are hopeful to achieve a resolution and be able to move ahead is all I'll say about that right now and uh with that uh I think uh thank you Mr Kagel on many levels and uh let's move on to the second item on our agenda which is uh a planning update for Miss Craig that's easier yeah well I don't know listen first don't be too quick and look out for that guy sitting over there um good morning um Mr chair uh Vice chair and committee members um the planning update today has two parts um the first will be an update on on uh the Udo text Amendment um process and the second update will be on um community area planning and the policy Map update um so I'm going to start first with the text Amendment if you can go to the next no no that's perfect sorry go back um you're right ahead of me um so I want to talk briefly about a cleanup text amendment that we have um up for hearing uh this month I want to just give you some overall housing numbers um in the city I think it's always good to to look at data um Talk brief about three different phases of residential text amendments that I've brought before you before but want to just remind you all that there are three phases um I've got a summary slide that shows just what the different development options are in the Udo for subdivisions again phase one and phase two are really about looking at residential developments in the form of subdivisions and then talk about a schedule next slide yeah there you go um so going forward um so this this will be a cleanup text Amendment we are working on a process where we're going to have a regular Cadence of what we're going to call Udo maintenance uh and we'll have them at regular intervals so whether it's our partners in other departments or um external community members or stakeholders we'll kind of know what that's going to ultimately look like so we're working on what that schedule is and we'll be back before you again this one was filed on the 5th um we updated that in April it's addressing many items that have been identified by internal staff by the community and Industry we had an engagement session um or we were going to have an engagement session on the 7th um and then public hearing on the 20th uh next slide is that just the this is just this is just cleanup this is just cleanup y okay let's be clear about that yeah just real quick yeah so this is just a quick update on a cleanup text Amendment sorry thank you for making sure that that was clear um so again this is just for um updating some definitions Clarity um some clarifying existing uses and permissions some dimensional standards um certain planting and preservation standards and probably the one thing um to point out is that we had an alternative compliance Review Committee um before with to um and we are reestablishing that in 160d that board is not no longer administrative they are Quasi Jud judicial um and so we will be reconvening that group again this is just an opportunity to provide um different design Alternatives from the Udo that the board can hear based on uh that committee and these uh text amendments were developed in consultation with the Udo advisory committee correct yes and is there a general consensus about them like is there any outstanding controversy here or no so this is really administrative this is really administrative thank you okay next slide so the three phases of residential text amendments is really the bulk of the presentation today so just wanted to give you some numbers um right now in the city and in the etj there are a little over 11,000 Acres of parcels that are two acres or more that are developable um uh under neighborhood one um um zoning districts about 55% of that is within the city limits about 45% of that is within the etj we're going to talk a little bit about this later on in the presentation um about 24 Acres of that 11,000 um that are developable is within a critical and protected Watershed or in an airport airport noise overlay District 24% of the of the 11,000 correct um there are a total of 143,000 uh neighborhood one housing units in Charlotte um since the Udo has gone into effect um we have seen and permitting a little uh almost 9,000 units um so about 3,200 of those are vested under current standards about 5,500 are in sketch plans meaning they are not vested as of today um and this is about uh almost 3,000 more than what we had in the queue last month next slide um so um the three different phases so again I've we've talked to you to council and to committee several times about this but again conservation Phase 1 is intended to be for sites that have environmental constraints um we are doing this now and recommending imediate action because of the quality of sites that are being submitted currently um to staff um and wanted to make a note and we'll again talk about this later is that um listen to some of the feedback from uh development industry and the affordable housing developers and we've added an additional afford housing incentive in this text Amendment because it was something easy that we could do now and and hopefully helpful in providing more affordability so Mr Craig you you now talking about a different text Amendment from what you described initially because this is not just administrative some of this is yes so sorry we are on sorry I'm I'm I'm going too fast apparently I'm sorry I apologize I just I want one step at a time want to be absolutely clear about this sorry so okay the first the first was the cleanup I'm moving on now we are on to the compact the conservation and those right so your previous slide if you back up a slide uh this information is sort of the context in which the things that you're now talking about needs to be considered right so uh 11,300 Acres uh 24 and so on um and particularly notable 45% is in the etj so I think we've all heard about the ET J you'll get to that I'm sure but uh uh I wanted to know just for context the the land area of Charlotte is something over 200,000 Acres just so we get a feel for what the significance is of these numbers and so now we're going ahead to talk about uh two things one of them was uh what we have previously been told namely that uh we need to do something about our conservation option because a lot of plans are being submitted AA in themselves of the option but not in alignment with what we intended so that's one issue uh but the other issue is the industry has uh come to us and forgive me if I'm kind of walking all over your script but uh the industry has come to us and said the rules as they exist right now except for the conservation option almost require the development of housing at a higher price point than we really want and so they've been after us to kind of think about that and that our response to that then is this compact uh development uh option so just want to make sure everybody's in Step uh and then you just continue thank you thank you Mr DRS I appreciate that yes so um next slide Mr chair yes I just want to make sure I have a contextual question is it all right for me to ask it yes go ahead sure so what we're hearing from the development Community is when you say um requires more affordable you're talking are you talking about the conversation we've been having for some time just the overall Udo or are you talking about specific re feedback or reaction to what we're about to see uh I would I'd say both okay all right thank you uh and and again remember we had a referral right so so we had the referral and the referral was in response to a bad reaction by some residents to the Udo by right alternative to a petition if you recall it was a particular case a lot of people came to us and complained that they were being pressured by the prospect of the by right development into agreeing with a another type of development petition that they didn't like and so the whole question about what can be done by wri under n1a uh was scrutinized more carefully there was a referral to the committee and then subsequent to that the issue of these plans being submitted under conservation came up and the staff recognized what they thought was a bad trend for development taking place there that was not what the way we intended and in their mind was not healthy so those were separate things but they've converged somewhat in the sense that we are now trying to shut the conservation option or push it back to where it belongs being namely a relatively rare case of a certain kind of development with a large open space and small lots and then in the meantime though uh dealing with the issue around the conservation option by introducing in uh as a result of the referral process the compact uh development and uh is that fair yeah you great job all right so we can keep playing off each other I'm talking Council speak and and and you're you knowon go ahead all right thank you thank you Mr Dr so yes um conservation is something we've been talking about um as being something that was not intended um and compact is a solution to um the recognition that housing Supply is very important to Charlotte and I just wanted to just remind everyone too that when we're talking about both of these options again we're talking about subdivisions and so these are new subdivision this is not um a conversation about infil until we start to talk about duplexes and triplexes later this fall next slide could you talk about the residential on the on the right there back up one sure so yes so this is really the phase three um and what we are what we've begun talking to you about is the conversation that maybe we may need to rightsize our residential tools and talk about um you know we've only seen an Nill situation maybe 150 duplexes why is that do we need to um make some adjustments to those standards um we are also seeing a lot of interest in quadruplexes so two up two downs um building code changes have made those more viable um so wanting to consider those and then looking at Cottage courts uh right now you have to do a rezoning and I think that we could allow them by right and then wanting to make sure that we're getting more adus um I don't think that we've seen as many as I would have thought um and so looking at some of those standards to make sure that those are a viable opportunity again that is a pH that's in the fall um I I I I have relatively limited understanding of what that actually is going to be it doesn't feel to me like we've talked a lot about the residential Supply thing and uh I gathered that the zoning committee also had a concern that uh they weren't sure what that was so uh but is it fair to say that we can work on phase one and phase two without prejudice to phase three correct right so so uh fa phase three will happen later and any action we take now can be confined to the issues in phases one and two I think phase while they're not unrelated I think phase three is really responding more so to infill development um and so in conservation phase one and phase two are really focused on residential subdivisions so so will phase three then manifest itself in the kind of uh the policy map discussion or or where will we see the work being done in phase is it going to be text amendments is it going to manifest in the policy map how will that come forward so we will um bring that forward to the Udo advisory committee we'll bring it forward to committee and to council um I think just with the way the council schedule is in terms of your meetings and there will be a break in July and part of August I think those conversations will will begin with the our advisory committees and with uh stakeholder groups over the summer and then bring that forward to you in the fall when you're back from break we would not be committing to anything I'll be right with you would not be committing to anything related to residential Supply by acting on the first two phases there may be some modifications depending on what council would like to do with what uses are allowed that could then be translated into let's say you decide that you want quadruplexes to be allowed everywhere in the entire city of Charlotte um in all zoning districts then that would then introduce quadruplexes as an allowed use in subdivisions potentially if that's how you choose to act and so those are the conversations that we can have but again I think we're really in phase three we're really more so talking about infill development I think it's fair to say that that is unlikely but okay I think it's fair to say that's unlikely um don't want to scare people uh uh thank you Mr chair just really quickly as we're going through this I just want to highlight you guys recently completed an exercise where you had members of the community present is this information a result a direct result of that exercise yes and I I I'll go into some of the details about Compact and I'll talk about because we've actually we had two of now two workshops okay and so the most recent exercise was that something that allowed you to count it in and decide there was a phase you know need in order to do this or can you explain that to me sure I think really what um what that Workshop was intended to do was to get into the details of what compact development would look like and what the development standards um should be in order to to be most impactful to creating housing Supply right um and so yes so that that Workshop informed what the details of the standards for phase two look like okay so but that was specifically for Phase 2 only the most recent exercise okay so two things when we say phases cuz I I think we really need to be specific words matter when you say these are is this amendment one Amendment two Amendment Three correct right yes uh tell me what amendment one is specifically so next slide and okay and I'll show you um if we would just let Allison finish but we can't help it I know I know listen Dr watlington I just want to make sure that you know we're clear is clear like I'm with you wholeheartedly I all kind of question was going to be easy right yeah we're excited it's cool okay I'm sorry go ahead yeah so so this is what phase one conservation says and so again this is trying to get the conservation standards in the Udo back to what they were intended to be which was to preserve high quality open space um green area um an environmentally sensitive features it is a concept that's been around since the 60s um it is an many any many cities toolbox for making sure that you are incentivized to protect special places and allow for smaller lot sizes um so that those special places are protected and so we have found that what we're seeing is not meeting that intent and so we're asking for an additional 15% of tree save in open space for a total of 40% it's exactly the same standard that has been in the City of Raleigh for years um we are requesting to increase the minimum dimensions and standards of open space again exactly in line with what Raleigh has in many other cities um require public streets and only the use of alleys in limited ways so like in the traditional sense where you see an alley that you're facing the Public Public Street and then your garage is on the back and you access your garage or your parking area from an alley um require lots to front public streets green areas or open space um not private streets or alleys add in a buffer um and then I mentioned this additional mixed income bonus um remember I think um L Belcher from habitat mentioned this and a couple other affordable housing developers too um just the importance of reducing lot sizes in order to get the density and intensity that they are looking for so next slide this is um so we added this to the conservation text Amendment really just because it was super easy to do um because the way the Udo is written today if you are providing 50% or more affordable housing on sites that are an acre or more you can go and use the lot standards from the next District so n1a could go to B which allows you to reduce your lot size and get more units on the ground ground um what we are proposing for affordable is that they can go to C and so it's going from 70 to 50 in terms of the lot width so um this is something that we think that the community benefit of um of affordability allows projects just to directly go to those standards so it's so a goes to C B goes to D and C goes to e so it's it's like just a few letter changes in the udio which is why we went ahead and do that so the units um so again 50% affordable um again you know we cannot regulate uh for rent or for sale um so that they could be either next slide um I've mentioned this before um what we are seeing is that we are getting lots of developments with alleys um these alleys and the roads the water the sewer and the storm water will all be the responsibility of the property owners in perpetuity seed do will never be able to take over these streets because they do not meet C dot standards um they they lack uh sidewalks and they lack Street trees and I've gotten some estimates from my partner departments and the cost of just the infrastructure piece of this is probably about a million dollars per mile every 10 years so these are not Little Numbers and this is etj this these right now are occurring um through there we'll show a map later in the presentation but they are throughout the city and egj so eight right now 800 I'm sorry 8,800 units um in review right now um we've got lots facing storm water facilities um slivers of open space with buildings facing onto them open space that's not accessible and inadequate transitions next slide so I'm going to start with the bottom left image and so this is an alley that's typical um in situations where again you know your unit is facing a different direction and this is the back side of your lot so but imagine instead that that's your front and so like that's what we're talking about with an alley is that you've got units facing um units facing an alley without any Street trees or sidewalks and very narrow um Frontage um you got in the top left you've got units facing one another with small slivers of open space you've got a lack of trees in your top right with lots of driveway cuts and on the bottom right you've got open space in the far bottom uh right hand corner um but it's separated uh and not accessible to the residents unless you climb the fence and the retaining wall and these are the situations that we looking at on the site plans that we are getting at this point next slide about 92% of projects in the etj and in the city of Charlotte um for residential subdivisions are using these standards um so you can see in the map on the right the areas in the mint green color that is uh a buffer from an activity center or Transportation Corridor and you can see most of them are falling outside of that area uh we' got about 94% of them in the ark and about 6% of the units being delivered or will be delivered in the wedge so there's you can you can look on your Maps or zoom in later but there are color codes too to talk about whether the projects are only duplexes only triplexes whether they're a mix we've only seen a couple that are um only single family next slide we've had a lot of conversations about density and yield um and questions about what this means and so I wanted to take a project and kind of walk through what the yields would be in these different scenarios so before the Udo went into effect if you had the site um and you were just using the base development standards you could probably get about 115 units there was a cluster provision in the udio um that allowed you to get a little bit higher if you dedicated additional space to uh tree save or open space that could get you to about 130 the way the current conservation standards are as written today um this site is yielding about 203 so almost 60% higher than preo cluster um so a pretty significant jump um as proposed in the conservation the uh standards that we're presenting today the site would yield about 170 um so about 30% higher than pre udio clusters so we are still getting more density than what we used to to have before we had the udio and again as you can see on the right um there's very limited alleys you've got higher quality open space larger um dimensions and sites on um Lots on facing public streets next slide so when we're getting that level of activity um using standards as we did not intend them to be used it tells us that there's uh that that we're we have there's something missing that we need a tool and so we've looked at some of our other um um uh pure cities and whether you call it compact or um there's different names for it there's an opportunity to create uh smaller lot sizes in new subdivisions be because the modern construction today um in order to be more um affordable more attainable um they're just smaller they're smaller uh building they're more efficient and so modern construction needs smaller lot sizes I get asked a lot well why don't you just change the lot sizes in the base standards of the Udo and the reason is that we want to protect the lotting patterns in the existing neighborhood so we don't want to change that but recognize that when you're creating a new subdivision or a new development that that's when we would reduce the lot sizes um we also recognize too we've done um we've hired a couple Consultants to do site testing to do U Market analysis um and there's a very strong market right now for um for town homes for attached product um financing is there when it's not there for apartments um and want to make sure that we are providing tools that create housing Supply next slide so this would be a buy right option um similar to preo Cluster um and so um um council member Molina you mentioned uh a workshop we've had two work workshops now with um design communities that are really super in the weeds of development standards and that can sit down with a site and draw it out with you know to scale with all the setbacks and the roads and all those sorts of things this is very very technical um and so we've had some great response uh to where we're headed with this um and where this would be allowed would be for all new subdivisions 2 AC or more they provide an additional 5% open space than you as an example if you're an n1a site you would go from 10,000 sare ft and a 70ft lot width to 5,000 square ft with a 50ft lot width um so this would allow you when you are reducing your lot sizes it allows you to get more units on the development site because you have more real estate to work with when you're reducing the lot size of each um of each site so we propose that this is allowed throughout the city of Charlotte and the etj except in protected and critical Watershed and in the airport noise overlay and so you can see a map over there on the right this is showing all Parcels that are in one that are able to be developed that are 2 Acres or more um and so you can see where those are in the city of uh Charlotte and the etj as part of phase three and this is you know to your point council member Driggs there's been a lot of conversations about town homes and I think there's a lot of interest to increase the allowance of where town homes are allowed and so when we're adjacent to centers and Transit corridors we think we should include the allowance for more Town Homes because they're not allowed in N1 currently and we're we're doing some site testing on that um and we'll have more information um at a later date next slide so I want to just talk about um the different three different ways that if you are a site that is two acres or more um or if you're a site that's in one what your development potentials or your development options are so the very first thing is you go into the Udo and you look at what the base standards are um 10,000 sare ft 70ft lot width this is you know uh this is how I develop we're estimating that this is probably will apply 20 to 30% of all the sites in the etj and in the city um this is really intended again to be for existing neighborhoods infill I think this is probably primarily what would be used in the etj um the lot pattern pattern and plating is similar to what's is already existing in our communities today um and what you're going to yield in terms of density is about what you had before in the Udo but with the allowance of duplexes and triplexes in the community so again more than what we had before because we're allowing more unit types but again it's not the same level of the other two options conservation is intended for sites that have environmental features uh Watershed protection areas they've got steep topography um and this is not intended to be the primary development pattern um and and it is this way and all the other cities that use this this is somewhere between 5 and 15% of the sites this is not intended to be the primary path and so you'll see in the development pattern there's a stream the blue line that's running through that image and then you've got smaller lot sizes on the either side of it again it's intended to protect special places but still allow for development the yields that we're anticipating would be about what we allowed in the Udo before with the cluster Provisions which allowed more or probably anywhere from 5 to 20% more uh than our base development really dep totally depends on the site often when you have environmental features you've got streams um you know you often have steep topography and so it just really will depend on the site as to how as to the increased density that you might be able to to achieve compact um again this is what we anticipate to be the primary tool anywhere from 60 to 75% of the development um will be using this um when you are subdividing for sites to Acres or more um this will be a a more um intense form of development I would anticipate somewhere between 30 and 50% more than um what's allowed in the base development and certainly more than what was allowed in the prudo cluster Provisions next slide so I think there's been a lot of of questions and conversations about um you know we are moving forward quickly and we're moving forward quickly for two reasons one is that we are seeing unintended consequences of almost 9,000 units in play in 10 months um that we have concerns about the quality of development we also see compact being an important tool that we don't have in our toolbox today and so I just wanted to map out the conversations that we have had and who we've had them with and this is not including then the wide number of conversations I've had with different stakeholder groups like neighbors for more neighbors the development industry different trade organizations um Community organizations so I've had a lot of other conversations that really aren't even on this but I just wanted to mention that I started talking about this was Planning Commission in February and it was about um in the middle of March that we started talking about the compact form so we've we've had a number of touch points and so I I know that we've been moving forward quickly but we've been really spending a lot of time with a lot of different groups trying to make sure that we're getting the word out we're hearing feedback and having lots of conversations so wanted to to mention that um again phase three uh later on summer um I'm really focused on phase one and phase two right now next slide so schedule this is what um staff has recommended for conservation um going to zoning committee on April the 30th and having a council decision on May 20th um zoning committee at their meeting on the 30th uh recommended a deferral until the June 4th meeting and so that's schedule and outline is uh is not yet determined what that looks like right now um compact we are meeting with the udio advisory committee uh this week we plan to file um uh the week of May 13th if not sooner um again we have spent um several one of them all day workshops talking through these standards and I feel like we're in a really good place and we want to make sure this tool is available and accessible um for housing Supply um needs before Council goes on break um in July because I think you were on break from in July and then um I think your first meeting back is the zoning meeting on the on August 19th and then phase three will be summer and fall we'll talk through that more really again really focused on phase one and phase two right now um that is it so I have Miss Johnson thank you Mr chair and thank you Allison for the or thank you Miss Craig for the um report I also want to applaud you and your leadership team for having the the leadership courage to revisit this I know we said that this was going to be a a you know a a document where we would make these changes but to have the courage to make these changes to act so quickly um on this decision I I think that that should be applauded I know we use the term unintended uh consequences but I think that's a term we should retire as a government U because these things are foreseeable and our our voters as far as Council um they they they expect us to to foresee and and and understand and anticipate consequences for decisions so that's just my thought on that on that terminology these you know most things are foreseeable that was these were foreseeable consequences and I just appreciate you're being willing to Pivot that doesn't happen very of often in local government that I've seen so um thank you for doing that I I think this benefits our our our residents and it's and it's the right thing to do I wanted to ask you about quad plexus you mentioned that earlier and in the presentation it has not been very clear to me what the impact will be on quad uh for Quad plexus U it wasn't clear in the first presentation we received and I just want a clear understand understanding on on what the change will be um and the impact of quad plexes in the sub in the residential areas and then also etj we're getting a lot of emails from residents in the etj and we know we don't have the infrastructure for the growth in the city but I think it's even um Less in the etj areas so I want to know if there's discussion about the etj having a different standard in the Udo thank you sure so first with the quadruplexes so that will really be part of phase three um when we look at uh allowable uses in our infill areas um i' I think that quadruplexes particularly the you know like in the form of two up two down so two units down two units up um are a historic development underutilized and under because it would fall under the commerci from last summer it uh the bill has to less expensive and more viable um so that is not part of the conservation text Amendment or the compact text Amendment that's really looking at um larger development sites um that are 2 Acres or more um but it is something that we feel really strongly about um looking at and I I think that's part of when we when we get through the conversations with comp and conservation uh tackling that um and figuring out how best to we meet with our count County permitting staff and just need to also understand from is on any single family lot I know we don't want to move in the direction to have the quad plexus there also so please let's not go too far down that down that road without Council being clear on the direction sure absolutely um I will definitely do that um in terms of the etj um like you I've gotten lots of lots of emails um from residents in the etj and the projects that are referenced in those emails um are all conservation developments um and so the changes as proposed to conservation um while I think at least two of those projects are already in they're vested one of them is not um it would address that in the future for similar projects and so they would not be able to be developed at that level of intensity that they are today um in terms of the compact form of development which is incentivizing you know to creation of housing Supply um that tool we are proposing would not be allowed in critical or protected watersheds which is a lot of the etj I don't think that the just by being in the city limits or or not that we may not necessarily want to have completely different rules for those two areas but there are certain elements of the etj particularly as it relates to Watershed that I think are important to protect which is why we are proposing not to allow that development form um and that intensity within those areas so if you look at the map um I don't know if they've gotten they're online if they've gotten an email version of the presentation but yeah so you'll see the hatching that's over on the um sort of the West Side um that's where we would not be proposing compact to be used goodn okay that's all I have thank you all right um Miss Molina thank you Mr chair I figured you'd want to go last wrap us up make sure we got it well we got some more to talk about but go ahead well uh really quickly first I agree with uh um the sentiments with uh Miss Craig thank you for your work on this I think um it does take courage to step up and say I've seen this um and and it doesn't look right and it doesn't represent the character of what we would like to see happen in the city so I I definitely appreciate that um Mr chair I would actually be interested just for clarity the zoning committee voted to defer and we have the chair here I'm interested in hearing what his perspective is is that something that would you care to join us we can do that that's your last that's going to be your last topic well uh we need to talk about this a little more but uh would you mind just as we discussed before briefly summarizing why you guys didn't act um you deferred yeah thank you um and introduce yourself please hi my name is douas Welton I serve as the chairman for Charlotte meinberg Planning Commission uh Planning Commission uh also the zoning committee I'm the chairman of the zoning committee as well uh we uh received this petition last what was the date 20 whatever the last Tuesday was 30th 30th yeah yes yeah had a very robust discussion around it um the general sentiment of the uh the committee fell into a couple of different places uh there were concerns about the economic impact of this in terms of the ability to uh reduce or it the the effect that it would cause to the market not only in terms of reducing the number of units that would be available but also changing the behavior of the actors in The Marketplace there was also a concern about um strategy in regard to the fact that you guys have seen these three phases and we believe that all those three phases need to work together and that there are trade-offs involved in all of those if we could see those trade-offs all at one point we believe that that would be a much more effective way to make a decision as opposed to um seeing it in in phases and finally I'll throw out the notion that um although there's development that staff sees as inappropriate or not quality we believe that those will be eaten up by the marketplace because people are there's a strong demand for housing and that it is not necessarily the government's business to um make sure everybody enjoys their houses these are contracts between adults and so uh that's basically it thank you Mr R um well thank you for that I I'm you know I was interested in hearing that because again it I I almost wonder because you know we we have we have a real we have a real decision to make right and I don't know what the sentiments of my colleagues are I'm really here to listen and learn kind of find out what the will of my colleagues are to to move forward um but I mean um the the tradeoff of doing things at once uh Miss Craig in your professional opinion I I would like to know what you think so since last month we have had 2800 um additional units submitted um um for review and so that's almost 3,000 units that will be responsible with a million-- dooll price tag of all the maintenance of all the infrastructure in their communities for forever um and so you know Mr Welton said well you know they could sell but I mean it's still ultimately people don't really understand that they may be able to go and make the decision oh this development doesn't have any sidewalks or it doesn't have any Street trees and I just really need to live somewhere so I'm okay with that I mean I don't think that that's really what we intended to do was to be developing that way um and I certainly don't think that we should be putting that financial burden on people and so every month that we delay there are consequences of that that have really really big price tags to them okay so I I want to kind of frame this question no it be great go uh yes and Dr watlington I'm just running out of time yes did you want to speak oh yes I did I'm sorry I thought you about to frame no okay I'm go okay uh Mr gram oh no no no I do have something to say I thought you were saying you were going to frame something make up your mind Dr W I'm ready I wanted to let you I'm trying to get to the point where I can do that but I want to let anybody speak who needs to so go ahead oh okay Co gotcha thank you Mr chair um so first I just want to I got a couple of questions um as it relates to the first of all great job Allison I agree with a vast majority of what council member Johnson said um so thank you for your leadership on this and for doing uh what you believe is right for the city even if it's not necessarily popular among certain sex uh that takes a lot of courage and so um I appreciate it and I stand with you in this particular particular Endeavor um as it relates to the planning commission's comments you know I'm a little bit I I'm a little bit baffled at the position of the current planning or zoning commission for the simple fact that government exists to correct market failure that is why government is here to to change the behavior of the private sector and what would happen in the absence of those regulations so that is what the Udo was for and given the enormous support from the Planning Commission to put the Udo in place I'm just very surprised to hear that now uh certain members are taking the position that it's not their job to make sure that people enjoy their homes and their neighborhoods and their Community that's exactly why you exist um so I'm a little bit concerned with with what I hear from the position of the commission at this point when now we are seeing the effects of the work that the commission has been a part of for several several years um I absolutely wholeheartedly agree with the with the notion we see the data and thank you for bringing the data this go around I think this is much more information than we had and much more analysis than we had when uh we were putting the Udo in place um it's clear that we're losing ground day by day we're hearing it all over the place uh from our residents so to me these are clear Goos I understand the phased approach because there are a couple of things that are let we need to stop the bleeding and then there from when it comes to phase three I can understand that there may be a little bit more conversation around those things but I would ask that just like we we were willing to lean in on this entire Udo I would ask that we keep that same energy as we're trying to me mitigate some of the things that we have seen um and trust that this process will allow us then to make whatever adjustments in phase three uh necessary so that everything works together in concert my my one question that I have um would be in regards to the Planning Commission I would love to see the current District make up and how many of those Representatives actually sit in the Udo and how much of District representation is actually seen because historically it's been a very concentrated representation within one or two districts and I think that what we are seeing now is exactly the issue that we have when we're not ensuring Equitable representation across the city and the county on the Planning Commission so more to come on that but I would love that information as a followup thanks so much Mr Graham thank you um Mr chairman um I think where we agree is is the work that the Planning Commission has done and the planning director has done over the last uh month and a council member Molino and I had the opportunity to sit with developers in reference to the Udo major de developers and designers U last week I was able to meet with some of our nonprofit affordable housing builders uh attended the shet and probably call Alison more time than she wanted me to to bother her so I just wanted to take my hats off uh and and thank them for the leadership on the work I think that's really important um uh and helping us rectify the unintended consequences right I'm I'm sure there's no fortune tellers here and some of the things that we've put in place like the way developers are are utilizing the alleys uh that unforeseen right um that they would take advantage of a loophole uh and um to save money uh and when we see that then you you we correct that those were things that we said we would do right from the very beginning which is to um uh amend this document as it goes along based on what we see happening on the ground so you're doing exactly what we said we were do uh when we voted um to pass the Udo U almost a year and a half ago uh and again it's trying to rectify the unended consequences based on the policy that was put in place I think that's a great job um the the Planning Commission I I I to was a little bit taken off guard and in reference to a no decision one of the things I said Mr chairman is that we need to divide provide um certainty uh in the community certainty for developers big and small certainty for residents no matter where they live in terms of what the rules of the games are uh and I think the faster we can get to certainty uh to prevent um bad product being in the pipeline part of the job of the council I believe and and someone who Pro who promotes development I'm Pro development I make no um apologies about that um plan but it's plan growth and development right is is the planning is is the the calculation uh it's the product right um we don't want to the worst thing that I've done in my career is I appr proove a resoning issue I even W let you know where it is uh and I have to drive by it every day knowing that I voted yes for it is the awfulest thing in the world you know I will never take credit for it that I voted yes and so that's what we ought to do too right I agree with council member Wallington is that we do have to kind of rank people in when they're taking advantage of loopholes taking advantage of rules and so um I think the sooner we can get to a decision the better for me um I think there's been a lot of conversation in the community for the last four weeks uh certainly I've been more engaged in planning that I've been in since I got back um uh not by choice because I think there's an expectation and as I go in my district I mean everyone is aware of the Udo but they're looking to me to provide Direction because it's complicated complicated for me and complicated for many residents and so I engage myself purposely just to make sure that I'm making the correct decisions um not only for how we are living today today um but more importantly the udl is really not about today right it's really about 20 years from now uh and and that's where I think you see some of the schisms on Council is those who are willing to uh take the heat for things are happening and the here and now the present um to secure a better future for residents and how they live and where they live and um and and whether it's a Triplex a duplex or whether it's u in conjunction with neighborhoods and you can drive around Charlotte right now and see that today that's not unusual uh our other the major cities it's just making sure that we are um are willing to fight through the the the the pain of change and I think that's what we're doing right now just fighting through the pain of change so Mr chairman as soon as we can get to a decision I'm I'm on board to to um you know I wish you had made a decision wish you could go back and make a decision but in the absence of them not making a decision then I think we have a decision from the staff and then uh the council should U exercise as well u based on where we are today thank you so that's very useful that does respond to the questions that I wanted to articulate uh yes oh I didn't you weren't there just now go ahead mayor proam thank you thank you Mr chair um really great meeting an overview overall uh Miss Craig I I also EO the sentiments of my colleagues just the power of pulling everyone in that room for the charet uh which I was also present for and hearing a lot of the side conversations as well just sort of manifest how complicated and difficult um developing this PO this type of policy really and truly is uh with so many leaders in in the room I also wanted to just thank the Planning Commission for their work and their time um not only on this issue but so many issues they are they they work just as hard as we do and uh I see them in the community I see them in meetings trying to inform um residents about the intricacies of the Udo so while I wish I I wish we W would have had a a vote on this in One Direction or another I just want to say I understand the level of uh care and thought that you guys are putting into this decision and many decisions that you that you make um you know the thing about the zoning uh committee and commission is you know it's a lot of work and I I want us to make sure that we have the best talent and people who are committed to um doing this heavy lifting in addition to their jobs um you know to help our city grow better and these these decisions that we are making to Mr Graham's Point are not decisions that we necessarily have to live in live with right now but really our kids will have to live with these decisions and um and other family members will really have to live with how we had the foresight to develop uh the city and guide land use so while I know we want to do things on an expeditious manner I just want to lift up the fact that having some level of uh Deliverance on these things and making sure that we are giving it the time and the care that that it needs is um we make space for that thank you Mr chair great uh M Craig I just I decided that this is time sensitive and important and therefore I feel that we can probably do the rest of what you plan to talk about in the future I hope you're okay with that yes um as far as I'm concerned in very basic terms we have two questions one of them is are we okay with the conservation text Amendment as offered that the provisions there in and with the compact development is are we okay with that the other is a timing question where uh there is some urgency in particular around the uh conservation option Amendment because of what is going on uh that would incline us if we're in in support of what it says that would incline us to move quickly uh on the other hand we do have the issue that the zoning committee raised some questions and wasn't really ready uh I don't think uh we're going to have a lot more for them to think about or talk about when they meet again and therefore um I I think that we might want to focus on uh some of the points that have been made by the staff as to the pipeline of this type of development this unintended development and and really uh Miss Craig I appreciate your care for uh the interest of the city and the the goals of our Udo the kind of city that we're trying to create and the fact that this particular type of development really just doesn't align with that it's not what we had in mind um the phase two which is the compact uh is actually kind of connected to the the conservation thing in that it offers an alternative so instead of getting the density and doing the things that people were doing under conservation you now have a higher density front door option instead of this back door thing uh I said at the hearing I think we need to close one door and open another one because the message we got strongly from the developer Community was they can't create units at the kind of price points we want with the rules as they were before this compact option was devised uh and and The Way We Were uh allowing people to build pointed to price points like four and 500,000 a unit and the industry was saying that we understand that you want units more of them and at a lower cost so I think the compact thing in my mind is responsive to that but then we get the question of do we act in May on conservation and close that door and then the intention is that we act a month later to open the other door through the adoption of the compact option uh and uh or do we uh align those and do all of it in June so that's the the choice that we have to make uh my personal opinion is that uh uh I I frankly do not appreciate the fact that the uh developer Community has piled on to this loophole the way they have I appreciate that uh that was a way that they had found to respond to what they thought were our priorities or what the market wanted but nonetheless it is very clear that those plans that were coming in uh did not align with what that provision was meant to allow I do have one question uh do we have any indication that the new compa the new conservation option uh is going to work I thought I'd heard something to the effect of they didn't think anybody would build to that I think it really will be site dependent um but again we went back and compared those standards to other cities including Raleigh and Raleigh has had them in place for many many years and people are using those standards it's not most of the projects it's some of the projects with environmental features like that but other cities have exactly those same standards we've modeled them um so that we have additional testing that we can speak to of similar communities and when you say environmental features this would be like you've got what Wetlands or to topographically unbuildable Area so you've got some open space right and and so now because you have that open space you might get a break on the lot size through the conservation option correct so we want you we want to incentivize you to protect those I mean it's not just Wetlands it could even be like a large really high quality uh stand of trees and so wanting you to focus on protecting and saving those spaces and reducing lot sizes that allow you to get some yield out of a site that you may not normally have been able to develop at that intensity so uh uh again now now the the immediate question we have is do we move ahead with the May time table for the conservation uh Amendment uh and I will speak personally in favor of that uh I believe that uh uh closing this loophole and not allowing the kind of unattractive development that the staff was pointed to uh should be a priority for us and I say that with the greatest appreciation and respect for the zoning committee uh uh but you know having talked to you and and heard about some of your concerns I agree with Dr watlington for example that we do in fact care uh about the quality of development and the kind of City we're trying to create uh and I'm a free market guy right so I'm looking for so minimum interference but the whole point of land use planning and so on is that you don't have this uh unprogrammed uh development uh and I think the pictures we saw of the alleys are unattractive so yeah people will buy those units they'll move in there uh but is that what we want is that the look we want and if we can achieve uh a better result through our compact uh option uh then I think if we were to go ahead and adopt the text Amendment for conservation people could just start changing course right and they could look at uh how instead of whatever they were intending to do for conservation in this one month period and they can look at what options are available to them uh under the Compact and and I think that is commercially viable I mean one thing I always worry about well just why I asked the question will anybody build to the to the conservation rules the new ones is uh we had for example a density bonus that we used to offer for affordable housing no one did it because it just wasn't in alignment with the realities so we need to make sure that we're in step with the market and with the commercial realities and I think the input that we've had from the industry to the effect that our existing rules without the compact thing did not make it possible for them to build the kind of stuff we wanted and now we're reacting to that and and taking away however their opportunity to get around that problem through the back door and the last thing I will mention is the etj uh we have had a lot of uh feedback from the etj the issues they raised were about problems with the Udo which we are addressing I I don't believe that specially designated rules for the etj are indicated I think what we need to do is deal with problems in the udl uh as they apply anywhere within the city limits or otherwise and the people in the etj will find that as we do that the things that are bothering them are addressed uh but I I don't see why there should be different rules for the etj it just so happens that the defect and the rules we have right now is disproportionately affecting them and that's why these two issues have been conflated so I guess to the committee and one sec uh I will just say let's zero in on the question of whether the uh conservation option text Amendment is in our minds appropriate and whether we feel that we should proceed this month uh not withstanding the lack of a recommendation from the zoning committee that's the critical question I think that I would love to be able to go back to our colleagues tonight and uh and make a recommendation about but miss Molina um thank you Mr chair I'll be brief I just have a question um for Allison and I don't disagree with your sentiment first of all I think it's extremely unfortunate that other players have come in and taken advantage of something um and not uh considered the residents right um and I also quick parenthesis I want to tell you Mr chair we do appreciate the work that you've offered uh we do realize that you volunteer an enormous amount of your time to give us perspective it is very important for us to have the sentiment of our stakeholders in the community to give us that information so I don't want you to walk away from here with the Bel that we don't value that perspective um now for Allison will we be able to impact any of these unintended consequences as a result of making a decision right now so um if you go back to the numbers slide um um that myself so right now um there are 3270 units that are vested and so those projects will move forward because they were submitted full construction plans under the the standards as they exist today um 5574 are in sketch review so they are conceptual plans they have not submitted a check in full construction plans and so um any change that so any projects that have not been fully submitted will be held to the rules that are in effect when they submit their plan so the sooner you get something adopted the fewer of the 55 that would be vested okay so basically right now you know absent a decision 3270 have the ability to move forward with their plans we make a decision now we have the potential to stop 5500 roughly correct subject to any uh plans that are finalized in the next two weeks correct correct anything that anything that's submitted before a decision is made by Council would be vested you know but it has to be a full cemental full construction plans with a check okay that's all I have and would you expect that most of those if we waited another month most of the 5500 could get there in terms of vesting I think oh I mean it's it's hard to say a lot of them could I also think there's going to be a lot more submitted I mean so when the Udo went into effect we had a lot of submitt through midnight the night before and I'm anticipating the same will happen so there could be plans that aren't even even included in the 5500 that would get there in time if we waited another month but it probably won't if we act as quickly as we're now okay makes sense so uh let's see Dr watlington any comment uh yeah just one um I'm I'm absolutely on board with moving forward for exactly the reason that we were just discussing um for those that are already you know in the process um certainly uh it sounds like they would have time to complete it I think what we're trying to prevent is an onslaught of additional ones by waiting uh a month so I'm absolutely on board with moving forward with this and continuing to engage the uh business and the neighborhoods um on phase three so we can keep moving forward but I think we're at a good place here and I don't see a whole lot more action that needs to happen ahead of a vote so would not support a delay so you would be in favor of moving ahead this month yes correct okay uh and just to make sure that we have everybody um Miss Johnson oh thank you Mr chair yes I'm on I'm in favor of moving ahead my question is when would the change be effective immediately as soon as we vote Yes well okay we will vote we're not this is not vote this is an information it's not full Council right but yes it's full Council but I would I would just like to be able tonight without objection to report to the full Council that there was a uh consensus by us that uh moving on the schedule proposed by staff is is in the best interest and that we support the the provisions of the text amendment I we like what it's happening and we think we should do it soon absolutely and again I applaud Craig for her for her leadership on this thank you um okay so we're in overtime I think we will have to postpone your second topic I don't think you can do that in two minutes uh and uh I think we can postpone it it's not as time sensitive as this was I think that was a very good conversation thank you for being here Mr won thank you sir um and without any further comment from anyone I'll entertain a motion to adjourn second let's get out of here [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] a [Music] [Music] a [Music] [Music] a [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] y and [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Music] good afternoon everyone uh my name is Malcolm Graham uh chairman of the city of Charlotte jobs and economic development committee I'd like to call uh today's meeting in the order uh Monday May 6 2024 would like to welcome every everyone who's here from the deing public as as well as those who are here with us uh in the government center and we will start off by introducing everyone in the room for the public record and we'll start to my immediate left Danel City man office Economic Development Carol Mill East Side Community leader PA garzone Economic Development Holly ESD Economic Development Todd Delong Economic Development Tracy do Dodson City manager's office again Malcolm Graham committee chairman margorie Molina Committee Member Ed DRS Committee Member James Carter Economic Development toand Brown Economic Development Peterson H City attorney's office alord do we have anyone visiting with us virtually if not Dante Anderson mayor Pro district one welcome Madam mayor proel okay so we all gathered here today to um discuss two items really three there's a third item that we will add towards the end and hopefully council member Mitchell uh will be here to uh lead that portion of the meeting if not we will do it in his absence um but we'll start off with um uh turning over to the assistant City Manager for economic development and uh I would be remissed if I didn't say happy small business mon yes um thank you council member Graham We love to talk about uh small business in small business month which is May and the team did a great kickoff last week to to start that but it's also an opportunity not just to talk about what we have going on in the month of May but really what we do within this system we're fortunate in Charlotte that we have a robust ecosystem that does support small business and we're involved in a lot of different ways and so so I want to turn it over now to Holly um and team and Juan to talk about all the things that they're is doing awesome uh thanks so much for having us and yes I'm going to Echo what uh council member Graham said happy small business month it is our favorite uh time of the year um we get to lift up the people who are doing some absolutely amazing things in this community so next slide this just a slide we actually are missing two of our teammates today and I will explain why but this is uh this business um inovation team that works with our small business community so next to me is Christy Floyd who looks overall manages the small business programs that we do um and does a lot of convening of the ecosystem Ana Ellis who does amp up Charlotte uh and the uh mws Pipeline and pathway that we'll talk a little bit more about and then Juan garzon we really are fortunate to have onean that's a little bit different than other cities and that that really is wants focused on what's called Innovation driven entrepreneurship and really making sure that Equity exists in space as well so the reason why an uh right now is being recognized as in Rises partner of the year so interise is a n National Organization we use their curriculum for the amp up program we've had a really solid partnership with them they actually bring I think this past like year we've had four different cities or other partners are going to work with that come to Charlotte just to see what we're doing in me with us so we're really excited about that they are in Chicago learning a ton and going to bring back a amazing information so congratulations to those guys so our team's role just kind of discussing this sort of before we go into the actual programs and programs and examples we really wanted to talk about what we do and so the first thing you know is convening and collaborating and I would say that's honestly one of our biggest um focuses um within this team so whether it's convening our partners which there's over 40 in the community I'll go into a little bit more detail about that or it's actually bringing together our small businesses um this is something that we do on a regular basis and something that actually even in Juan's area he does a lot of convening as well with those um Innovation driven entrepreneurs then there's educating so whether it's something like amp up Charlotte that we do specifically on our own and manage or it's looking at how do we support that pipeline that really grows especially our minority women small businesses and then also you know our business advisory committee that you all do an awesome job of poting so thank you we've got a stellar group they do a lot of program as well around education for our small businesses then we go into connecting and networking so we just talked about the kickoff event that happened W to go into more details about that um one thing that we've heard from our small businesses that they want and our entrepreneurs is they want meaningful networking connecting opportunities and so that is consistently feedback that we received that what we program we do it based on what they tell us that they need so we're very very fortunate to have that as well partner referrals that's a big thing that we do we have a very robust network of Partners again I'll go into that in a little bit but our team on a daily basis receives calls from small business owners asking telling us kind of where they are in their business what they need we help them navigate what Partners they need to talk to and make those connections um connecting uh I just went into kind of how we do that connecting we also connect small businesses with our uh corporate Community um and you know do things like connecting small businesses with each other storytelling there's a campaign that Juan will go into in a little bit more detail called 31 days of Biz in may we highlight with the video a business owner each day I'm always amazed at what our small businesses are doing I mean I as much as long as I've been doing this you would think that that wouldn't keep happening but it does because I'm truly just honestly humble by what they do and their commitment to really um being such a a huge part of our economy here in Charlotte um and then other things that we do are like the amp up Charlotte program we actually create these databases of the companies and the caterer for example that you have here before you today is an amp up Charlotte uh alumni and so what we do is we actually there's there's corporate Partners out there that are really want especially minority-owned uh catering companies for their events for their meetings Etc so we actually make those direct um tell the story of their success and make those direct connections and then corridor's opportunity obviously small businesses are huge part of the corridor and so we really are working with the quarters of opportunity team to really develop programming that supports those small businesses and where they are next slide so small business ecosystem Partners Charlotte is so fortunate to have what we have there are cities all over the country who talk about really like being envious of what Charlotte would exists and I'll go show a graphic on the next slide don't turn to the next slide but on the following slide too that will show kind of how robust this ecosystem is but we've been doing this for over 10 years we are the main convenor this is what we lead in quarterly 40 nonprofit government academic and Chambers of Commerce meet they do things to communicate they collaborate the meetings Christy Floyd leads them they are high energy if you ever want to come I highly recommend it you truly hear what our partners are doing to impact small businesses and everyone talks about making sure we're all on the same page of how we address their needs um they have every type of support there's some listed there I think you know what we do in economic development is we make sure that we're lifting up this programming and we're supporting this program we don't do anything that duplicates this programming so anything that we do is something that is unique within the ecosystem itself next slide so here are the partners um it is truly a very very uh robust collaboration when you attend one of the part partner meetings you will see if not 100% 90% at a minimum present in person at these meetings and typically they're supposed to go for like an hour and a half and we we do them at do grader uh now and they typically go um beyond that hour and a half because everybody's just still having these kind of really meaningful um uh collaborate collaborative discussions what I will say is is that almost every single partner on here received some type of assistance uh in arpa or cares funding and they really credit you all with being so forward thinking and understanding that you know we current when they were we were in the pandemic and then post pandemic really the demand on their resources and how we didn't necessarily tell them what to create we said here's some funding tell us what you'd like to create based on what you're seeing the need is so thank you for that so collaborating with ecosystem Partners you know we use our partners anything that we do we use our partners to help us create so whether it's developing a new program whether it's planning an event or really just diving in understand like what are the trends in the small business you know small business are facing what are their needs what what is what are the areas important so that we all are collectively uh making decisions together to support the larger ecosystem so just an example of some programs you'll see that listed up there I don't need to read that where those Partners have uh collaborated with us um and then we actually EST staff we serve on different boards we judge pitch competitions a lot of these Partners have those um we participate in resource Fair fairs and then we are speakers on panels and in different um in different meetings and so on the right hand side you will see a chart and that chart is really from 2023 what we as a team the four people on that screen uh were able to impact as far as supporting our partners and just to let you know the 700 that's business referral so that's what I was talking about when a small business calls us tells us what their needs are and then we make that direct uh connection to a partner if it's something that the city does not do next slide so I talked about um ana Ellis and her work supporting this MW SBE pathway so with the support of you all um and continued support we were able to start the amp up Charlotte program which really and I'll get into more detail um coming up on that and where we are but it looked at businesses that are about 150 to 175,000 in Revenue has one employee has been in operation for 2 years and that's great but what we were finding is there are companies that are before an amp up that need that kind of structured curriculum support and those that are after that amp up stage they're trying to get to that million plus in revenue and so while we as a city operate the amp up Charlotte program we started working collectively to build out this pathway again these are structured curriculums that build upon each other so we have now um the city financially supports uh the other four we either have it where you can do your business Inception or your very early stage you get they help us get ready for the amp up Charlotte so they're that pipeline into the amp up program and then there's the amp up graduates that would then be uh uh able to attend the next CLT or scale of CLT uh program so those next CLT and scalop CLT are taking you from about 250 in Revenue to a million plus so amp up Charlotte so just to let you know here's some data obviously on the right hand side this is 2023 when you participate in amp up Charlotte you are required um as part of the agreement uh with us to participate for three years in a survey and I will say that our participation rates are really good in this um but to date we've had 116 graduates and eight cohorts um these cohorts run for 7 months we were able to I think two years ago add in a third cohort so we really I would say in a 21mon period 18-month period probably we're actually running three different cohorts um obviously I talked about us being uh partner of the year we're going to start our third cohort in 2024 and the really unique thing that inise loves about our program and other um other cities have actually modeled is having this partner that is connected that actually sponsors it's not a financial uh partnership but the sponsorship really is about opening up your sea Suite your procurement um abilities to the current cohort and then also to graduates so there's an exist some examples of um past uh or actually current this is the Charlotte Regional visitors Authority but of partners that we have actually worked with and so a lot of times like Atrium we have one person who went through amp up they connected with Atrium and I believe they're over 10 million now in business with with with Atrium so it's very very successful and that business owner amp up business owner is one of our biggest supporters in the community and like I I think he recruits on a regular basis for us to get people engaged so that will turn over to Juan to bring it home on small business month slide all right small business month so all across the nation right now uh there is a celebration called Small Business Week but here in Charlotte we have the entire month of May to celebrate small businesses and we kick this off with the annual uh small business month kickoff that was attended by over 200 small businesses here's a picture there from some of our 31 days of business winners which I'll tell you about or selected companies that where I tell you about and uh councilman Graham did a great job of getting them all riled up and uh getting the festivity started there by celebrating the importance of small business on the Charlotte Community uh and really everywhere so thank you councilman Graham uh there are several other events going on some City Affiliated some partner uh Affiliated events that are part of small business month including the crowns of Enterprise Awards which are headed by CBI happening on May 9th and the Micah celebration uh happening May 14th which is led by Alexis also on our team back there uh and so uh we try to get uh Partners both internal and in the uh Community as Holly had mentioned some of our small business uh partners and we have 20 more partner events happening on the small business month calendar um which is available in our link that that we promote as part of the small business month campaign we also host the 31 days of Biz campaign uh this highlights a um video that uh basically encapsulates all of the diversity that we have in the small business ecosystem by every single day uh displaying a video and telling a story of a business owner uh so these business owners have all been um participated in programs that were funded by the small business ecosystem partner grams and at the end of this we're going to show you a little bit of the uh one of the summary videos so you could see what that was all about and as you see there on that link um before was uh part of this promotion we're promoting small business month as well as our partner organizations and all of these events throughout the month and kind of just I want to say how important these videos are these business owners use this as part of their marketing materials for their businesses so we're not just we're not only pushing them out through the city social media through um Economic Development social media these businesses use this uh as as it's just it's a benefit to them to be able to Market what they are doing and their successes it's pretty pretty powerful and they get they get very excited about being selected you could see there and and this kickoff is a great opportunity to celebrate those companies as well as other companies and support organizations making connections with each other slide now as part of small business month we have Charlotte Innovation week now this is unique to Charlotte where we take the week of May 12th and focus on in inovation Le entrepreneurship so these would be your tech product um high growth potential cap companies last year we had over 550 attendees to Charlotte Innovation Week events and this year um we're going to have these are some of the events that we've got there the Aspire golf tournament Aspire is one of our uh business Resource Partners Aspire Community Capital the SE the South Capital Summit which I'll tell you about here in just a second a fintech Innovation showcase uh a screening this will be the only one in Charlotte of a national screen of a movie uh called show her the money which is all about women and venture capital and uh and a design thinking workshop for Founders uh there um and if we go on to the next slide ftech I'm sorry ftech fintech the SE the South Capital Summit so we've spent a lot of time talking to our local Innovation Le Founders to understand what are some of the challenges that we have here and not necessarily unique to Charlotte but unique in in certain ways is access to Capital it's something something that we hear about all the time so uh in partnership with other organizations we're bringing back uh this event called the seed the South Capital Summit uh and have uh about 300 attendees will be there including startup Founders Angel and VC investors and support organizations from throughout the southeast U you'll see there below we've got uh speakers and investors from uh the Carolinas Georgia Tennessee Florida and Beyond and uh it's going to feature a $100,000 investment pitch competition uh supported by the Shar fund so these companies are going to get on stage and they're going to pitch these investors and they're going to make a decision uh to make $100,000 investment right there at the conference it's the first time something like that has happened here and it's a it's a great draw that really helps to set the stage to uh you know that we want to bring Capital to Charlotte and that there's a lot of innovation happening in Charlotte so we're very excited about that it also kind of kicks off our role and and we're we're working very closely with uh both Atlanta and the triangle as really being in the center of that Corridor of innovation right Atlanta gets a lot of attention the triangle gets a lot of attention uh but when you put us all together you realize we're a lot more collaborative than than competitive when it comes down to the actual ecosystem organizations and we're really embracing that by taking this place as being the center of this Southeast region and working with other um Partners uh to Showcase you know Charlotte's in the middle of all of this uh all of this Innovation slide back to all right so the the financial Business Academy uh so this these next two actually we will talk a little bit more about um our work with the corridors of opportunity team and really in the corridors themselves so we uh collectively the staff involved with corridors and then our team partnered with prospera so prospera is doing financial literacy within the corridors and they're doing it in Spanish um for Hispanic owned small businesses um got some data about the next session what they anticipate um as far as participants and then you can see some of the topics that um that they will be covering which is financial statements ratio analysis and budgeting and forecasting so again this is a great collaboration with prospera with the corridors of opportunity team and you know within the corridors themselves next slide climb so this is a amazing oh yeah absolutely uh Financial business Academy I worked with a number of companies back when it was Packard place and talked about their kind of dream for growing their business and one thing that struck me was they really didn't know anything about creating a business plan so you need these tools but it's another step to know how to use them in order to tell a story to an investor that they can buy into so are we going to be teaching that the storytelling the business plan side of things too the idea of the business plan and and how you take your thought for your business and put it into kind of numbers and and provide the information that investors want to see so the yes so the beautiful thing about prospera is is that they have all of that right they are a full service I'm actually on their board so I'm familiar with the organization so everything you were talking about while this is specific to financial literacy when they're working with these businesses as they identify other gaps in needs like what you're talking about which is absolutely one of them they will then do that follow-up work M and it's at no charge to the business owner itself um and you know they also have a really cool program where uh let's say they go in they do the business plan they do the assessment they gone through the financial literacy and um there is a need for some additional accounting like Focus they actually uh prospera has they will pay an accounting firm to work directly with that business so the business isn't necessarily getting the money directly but they will say okay okay we're connecting you with accounting firm X and accounting firm X we know can help you get to where you need to go to get to that next point of pitching your business plan of having that Financial Health that you need to have so yes it is a full service uh connection and if there's something prospera can't do the beautiful thing is all 40 of those partners that were on that other slide that I showed there's someone that prosp will connect them to within their and they can actually provide if there's any kind of um translation that's needed they can provide that as well thank you thanks Mr chair Mr chair yes ma'am um thank you sir thank you Mr chair uh Miss as I just want to highlight looking at that slide it's Simmons y District 5 um and I and I want to highlight that specifically because the Alamar Road Corridor of opportunity you know we're putting that economic Hub there and we're going to displace a number of people who have been operating small businesses from that site and so I'm I'm encouraged um by the opportunity for the number of small businesses to be able to benefit in Spanish uh from from this tool that you guys have put together so thank you for your foresight on this I'm sure um that the Spanish speaking community and our community overall um will appreciate you guys having that level of foresight to attend to these business owners and entrepreneurs so thank you for that absolutely absolutely it's a priority for us as well thank you for leadership in that give us some direction um climb so climb is an amazing asset in Charlotte so this is a nonprofit uh that provides pro bono legal services to underrepresented uh Founders small business owners that financially uh would not have the means otherwise to receive those services so you know we're really fortunate here in Economic Development talking about those relationships that you have um I got a call I think it was was in May of 2020 and it was from a guy who works for Robinson Bradshaw in Rock Hill where I used to work right and we were on a board together and he said I saw your name we're sitting with you is this something that would be needed in Charlotte and I was like absolutely they wanted to build it strategically slow and so it was Mor Van Allen Robinson Bradshaw now there's over 10 firms connected but really we were able to connect them with five Partners one being Charlotte business inclusion to really help them create a program that met the legal needs of small businesses here in Charlotte this is an amazing opportunity really truly there's there's like five in the country like this um we recently were able to give clim support them with $250,000 to actually work within the corridors so to your point both of your point another wraparound service that we're bringing into the corridors of opportuni is that legal assistance for small businesses they do have U Partnerships with some of our uh Partners like prpa boost pad and they've actually now are working um from a corridor perspective Ive historic Western small business Marketplace so working with that Marketplace as well um and so if there are any uh like Prosper is there to do the any kind of translation or anything like that that's needed so this is a great resource we're very grateful to have them and we'll continue to support them in any way we can all right next slide so this is something we've been talking about for you guys with you guys for a while this is the first of its kind in Charlotte um we've never done a small business ecosystem strategic plan it's really about ecosystem alignment and offering the programs and services that will have the most impact um to our local small business community so I don't need to read this slide to you you've heard me talk a lot about it I think probably what I would say is is that an assessment like this has never been done in Charlotte it's truly going to give us Direction on what is working what's not working where is there overlap and where we as a city meaning an organization should invest um in supporting small businesses so very very excited about that data driven approach um for our future uh we have gone through the formal procurement process and a consultant tpma was selected um they are working with the local uh MBE uh Mitchell Consulting Group and we'll continue to update you on that progress we're just starting the work with them Juan and then the other Pro arpa fund project was the diversity focused startup accelerator so this was the go here was to launch a startup accelerator that focus on local diverse Founders now these would be for companies that have the potential to grow and uh where we ended up is uh designing a two-tier startup accelerator with the selected partner which the vendor is an organization called generator that is a nationally ranked uh operator of accelerators with Capital Access and a strong track record in D focused programming in I think it's over 30 cities the idea here is that there would be two tiers to this accelerator the first tier which is exclusive to underserved Founders um is for really early folks right so this could be uh you've got an idea or you just started your business and it really kind of helps them with some of those items like the financials the marketing the customer Discovery sort of the the the basics uh of that and the goal is to work with local Partners uh we're talking to a few local partners that we had listed before so that we can go right to some of these entrepreneurs and make sure they get tied into some of the resources by plugging them into this first tier accelerat the second tier this is more for seed stage companies it's going to be fewer companies in the cohort these are for companies that are trying to get Capital ready right so now they're out there they've you know gotten some Revenue they've gotten some customers they're getting to this point where they want to go out and raise money this tier of the accelerator would then help them get ready to raise capital and connect them with those Capital sources so there would be two of those cohorts per year whereas one large cohort of the idea stage uh that focuses exclusively on underserved found ERS the goal there is that the second tier is going to pull from the first tier and we would be seeding some of these more Innovation Le entrepreneurs by having this two-tier system now generator the partner that we're working with already has these programs called G Alpha and G beta that are designed to to help companies at these stages so uh so we've already got you know they've got some experience with both of these programs and we're just putting to them together in this unique way uh the contract process has been complete we've gone through the entire procurement start working with generator and as of right now we are kicking things off they're going to um find a local hire and then officially launch the accelerator in the fall all right so the next thing before we start it's going to be our video that's the recap of small business month but I just want to reiterate every business you see in here impacted from the funding that you all provided are Resource Partners so it's really a powerful video but just know that is how they got engaged um uh with our partners if I were giving advice to somebody who is looking to become an entrepreneur the first thing I would say is that it's a challenging Road it's not easy being an entrepreneur your road to success though it may look different than others is filled with surprises and uncertainty but you're not alone you just have to focus on your current task and and when the chance come grab it it's going to be a big sacrifice in there but at the end of the day it's going to be very rewarding work hard be focused don't get discouraged continue to have faith within yourself be bold say yes there's a lot of work involved but there's also a lot of satisfaction and fulfillment that comes from being able to see something that you dreamed of come to life I had to figure out a way that I can provide for my family and I say why not do what I love doing the best thing is doing what you love and putting your time in in your business instead of somebody else I've always felt like I was going after someone else's dream rather than going after my dream and what my passion is you know I always enjoyed being my own boss and really being a leader in the community but I found my passion doing it when I started finding brands that give back the city of Charlotte small business ecosystem is filled with organizations that bring unique perspectives ones that educate Enlighten and inspire you to reach your dreams the things that I'm most excited about really going forward are being able to work with great people the national black MBA Carolina's LGBT Chamber of Commerce freedom and me business showers PR the Carolina Asian America Chamber of Commerce the center for entrepreneurship and Innovation via UNCC Charlotte the Latin Chamber of Commerce the Spanish contractor Association there are a lot of non for-profits that the city of Charlotte offers for entrepreneurs like ourselves to become bigger and be successful there's a whole group of people waiting for you to step forward and to succeed it's a place where dreams flourish a community striving together for something greater with many organizations nonprofits academic and government institutions serving as resources all standing by to help you start and grow your dream I love how Charlotte it's incorporating all of us and really focusing on us to grow like and have more of a culture in Charlotte Charlotte is a Melting Pot literally home of the transplant there are so many different opportunities that have not been tapped into it is growing tremendously I think that there's going to be a lot more young aspiring entrepreneurs that are going to be able to open their businesses I think that there's going to be a lot more collaboration I find that the city is is heavily invested in highlighting the small businesses across Charlotte uh which really provides opportunities for businesses like mine Char a lot of businesses are coming here and starting their business because they see the expansion they see the growth and Innovation and they want to be a part of it if you're offering these resources to small business owners there's nowhere to go but to the Top If you continue to invest in your business economy in these ways people are can go as far as our community can take it a group that you can turn to learn from and ultimately grow it yeah the road for an entrepreneur may be tough but here in Charlotte we make sure the destination is worthwhile [Music] all right that's it for us so thanks again for all your support we really appreciate it I know it's small business month but it's a year round thing with you guys so we appreciate you thank you well I I want to take the opportunity to um to to congratulate and thanks staff I did have the opportunity to attend the opening of the small business um month and to celebrate with then and I want to applaud you for all that you do also want to just acknowledge the wide variety of program and services uh that the city of Charlotte offers to the community um and I got two questions but before I get to my questions I just want to acknowledge uh that the mayor protim has arrived as well as uh the chairman the vice chairman of the committee and council member of barari council memberi I apologize for not having your name tag but we thought were we thought you were touring with Stevie next today you're here tour he's going to warm up for Taylor Swift yeah yeah that's that's the rumors you all over town uh until until about 6 o' tonight yeah um so another small business right never know that's 704 um so so second that's my my first question and again I want to acknowledge all the hard work that you guys do so let me ask it a different way so in an absence of a who all the small business owners and having a year-long agenda and highlighting and promoting who's acting in that role are we I I would say yes we we are the we have just historically been that entity even more congratulations u m I just want to clarify something because you asked are you asking who's convening for who support the supportive organizations or actually convening small businesses together the 285 or the meetings themselves that's where the partners are having what whether it's a celebratory pramming um they do that within themselves but again you will see um the LGBT Chamber of Commerce is a great they had their uh event um last week Y and Council Mitchell I saw you there y I think I ran into six Partners who were there so we support each other you saw at the kickoff event all of our partners I think every one of them honestly is there so I I guess the point I'm trying to make is that historically the the sh the old Charlotte chamber would be the one thatc direction for the community providing wide variety of Supportive Services and so I think what we're doing is is is fantastic right uh without that mechanism with no slight to the alliance right I just think that's a different model now because I think the world that we have taken uh in the last five years in absence of that is I think is is tremendous uh and I guess my second question is we have so many programs and services um is my we and and and I said well have you call our small business office and uh they really aren't aware of the programs and so I guess no slide on what you guys are doing but how are we getting the word out about these amazing opportun for for small business owners so I you know I first want to say that you know one way that we really are able to accomplish this is through collaborating with corporate Communications and marketing because they really you know they're the experts in this um and so for the amp up Charlotte program right so now we went from I remember when we first started it was I'll be honest with you sometimes a struggle to find 20 companies you know what I'm saying that qualify and me now we have like a list of 200 plus you know and so there's things like that that we've done um working with our partners to get the word out you know I'm saying in the community doing that ourselves there's always more that we can do though um and so I acknowledge that you know that is one of the things when we've recently met with corporate Communications and marketing we um teammates some shout outs too because they actually promote what we're doing and we promote what they're doing with our different networks and my last question and and this is really a comment more than a question um about corporate communication and marketing I think one of the the underutilized asset that we have in the city is our TV studio we just don't use it and it would be nice to have a a weekly talk show small business today chamber on are the uh are the um the chamber on and council member um MOS District right all all our partners are just a thought Mr manager of your l i mean and a wide variety of and I'm pretty sure that's a bud they shouldn't be a budget but we can take care of that tonight right when we see it but I just think it's just a one of the questions you had just to add on to what Holly said not put the cart before the horse but I do think that the small business ecosystem work and the strategy there will help us better align how to communicate out all the services it's no different I say this in many areas that we have a lot of resources people just don't know where to go whether it's Workforce Development small business support things like that and trying to create some level of kind of understanding what that is and then the other thing that's really important I think that we'll create some of that understanding is these opportunity hugs kind of help them navigate what the resources are I I question Mr Mitch D so uh some small businesses struggle for reasons other than their lack of these uh these skills or whatever they they struggle because the business idea wasn't a good idea uh and we need to be clear I mean other businesses of all sizes fail so are we uh also advising these small businesses in in terms of everybody that has an idea for a small business and got something started is on a path to a bigger business yeah yeah I can answer that one so one of the uh the the logos up there on one of our partner organizations is the UNC Charlotte Center for entrepreneurship and Innovation and they have a i core fund it's like a nationally ranked program on customer Discovery that's all it does it takes companies through the customer Discovery pro pro process which you know for a lot of people who work with small business great idea so I'll just share with Council uh Marina we did have like uh we call it Charlotte talks and this was under either mayor mccy and we use the corporate communication and once a month we talked about highlighting uh each committee work so we had one one month I mean I'm sorry one month that housing next mon Economic Development and we had B Thompson uh we did RFQ for a moderator and we we selected B Thompson and so it was very successful to you old as dirt I love it though I love it listen I love it it's just it's just sitting there exactly right I love it all right so any other questions comments feedback well again happy small business month to all the small business owners in the community they employ more people than all these major corporations combined and so that's the strength of our community um uh to supp um so you know last month when we were we talked about Hospitality we kind of gave an overview of Horizon Project what we were thinking in that because we've been talking about in the first part of the year new projects like Uptown Office Buildings and conversions and things like that we thought it was a good opportunity to just take a second and show you kind of review all of our Economic Development tools and talk about how we're investing across the entire Community I think a lot of people here there why are you not investing more that we can find Opportunities and ways to invest in all parts of our community um but the tools are a little bit different depending on the depending on the project so thought it was a good opportunity to kind of review those today we'll talk a little bit about Horizon projects and some of these um and what we might want to do going forward with that I will turn it over to Todd thank you and just wait a couple of seconds till we get this screen fixed so so we can see it I was telling Ty to's the best dressed man around the table time I don't [Music] [Laughter] have thank you thank you it's always it's always um as Tracy mentioned we we've previously talked about how we invest different Tools in different areas in different scales of projects so today we'll be talking a little bit about our large large scale projects as well as small scale projects and the unique tools that we offer to each of those this is really just a sample size of the tools that we offer we try to get customized we try to create new pilots we try to do different things so before we get into how we invest I want to spend just a quick second on why we invest so while this is a little blurry from this distance you know each one of these lines is really leads to creating an exceptional sense of place a a an exceptional quality life for all of our residents and each one of these from Quality Healthcare to Reliable utilities to labor and jobs to schools to Transit and Mobility all these come into play as we going through all of our conversations on partnership opportunities that come before us this isn't just a city thing this is a partnership thing and how do we best leverage the services and the roles that maybe the county does or some of our private and nonprofit and philanthropic organizations and partners do as well this is sort of a small sample of the projects or the or the the tools that we have in our toolbox just quickly go through some of these from the smallscale partnership perspective we have our business matching grants which has been sort of the bread and butter with Corridor revitalization over the last 20 years U this includes facade security Brownfield and we also Incorporated interior upfit a few years ago just because some of the things we were hearing from small businesses and small scale developers about needing to help with uh additional support for HVAC and things that actually stay in the building and help turn and repurpose the building Community Development Grant and rehab loan these are two initiatives that we created specific for two projects along uh B for corridor at Rosell fair and five points and then again at batty for and Lal road we we saw that there was a and interest of a development partner minority development uh partners and also the needs that were unique that uh that didn't fit the tools that we currently had in our toolbox so we created two new tools to help support those those um those projects and make sure that they were successful arpa this is one that's come to us recently one-time funding opportunities for sustainable programming that how have lasting impact again it's onetime funding opportuni we're trying to set these up so they're sustaining over time without needing a recurring um influx of city funding along the way and then we get to our large scale Partnerships real quickly our tax income and Grant and utilizing our CIP to support larger scale Redevelopment through uh reimbursing of infrastructure and other public assets next slide please just want to start off with talking about large scale Partnerships and this is what we would consider to be over $50 million in Project value next slide so Charlotte's had a long history of successful public private Partnerships it's some of the things that a lot of folks from around the country look at Charlotte and and ask us how we do it and how we're able to be successful in the many Partnerships that we undertake it's really been the beacon to what we've been able to accomplish over the last 20 30 years in terms of the major successful transformative projects that we've we've implemented uh here in the city these types of Partnerships are an opportunity for the city to get involved in the development influence the development program the type of development and public benefits that would come out and be derived by that partnership opportunity that may not otherwise be able to be delivered without the partnership some of the typical public improvements that we have reimbursed through our Partnerships are public infrastructure public parking affordable and Workforce housing and and some of the tools we have here again are the tax increment grants and our CIP these are some of the best tools available for these transformative projects uh and allows us to be Su successful over time so I just wanted to add and make sure that everybody remembers the tax grants um these are ones that typically take city and county participation and then the reason part of the reason um and TI will go into this more that we use them for larger scale projects is you have to have a development partner that can take that upfront risk ta generated that can take the risk on next slide please this is a quick over view of our tax increment Grant policy just to remind you what that is so grants are made on a reimbursement basis only this is kind of what Tracy alluded to where a development partner has to uh basically front the cost of that infrastructure and carry that for a number of years until it's paid off through a tax increment Grant and it's paid off through new incremental taxes and this is so this is a performance-based tool if the developer doesn't perform and doesn't generate enough taxes to cover the payment they don't get paid justification for use it say a public purpose so we are required to demonstrate that there is a public purpose here that's usually around infrastructure and then our traditional Grant terms are 45% or 90% of incremental taxes over a period of 10 to 25 years which is based on a project need and and priority of of the area now something to note on the public purpose piece you know while roads and parking may be our legal justification for us entering into these Partnerships we frequently or always consider sort of the bigger picture when it comes to these types of Partnerships we think of Valentine we weren't investing in Valentin reimagine just because we needed the infrastructure it was the broader impact that that project was delivering to our community the same with the Metropolitan when we when we incorporated or implemented that partnership the Metropolitan it wasn't just about some of the infrastructure it was about the catalytic impact that that would have in Midtown and what purpose it was serving as a larger project next slide so this slide just want to explain just a little bit this left column here is basically an example of you know or or an estimate of a project value this gets to the point of needing to have certain value projects to make tax increment grants really ex successful and feasible to incorporate into these partnership deals this column where 45% represents what the payment would be based only 45% of the incremental taxes and then these columns here represent what that total would be over a period of 10 years and again this is assuming that the the county would be partnering with us on this deal so as an example if we had a $5 million project it was generating 5 million in new taxable value the city payment on an annual basis would be just under $8,000 the total over 10e period would be $78,000 so total combined over 10e period for the city and county would be just under $220,000 $220,000 is INS insufficient to cover infrastructure cost particularly in today's day so what it takes is we get down to the $50 million project value we a total of about $2 million that's when you're getting into kind of where the for one road you may be getting into about $2 million or for some basic infrastructure improvements that's why the tax income and Grant really is best for projects that have a higher value because that's where it's the most successful and that's how the numbers the math works on on on that next slide please so one I wanted to highlight first as a project example is the premium outlets this was approved by City count in 2013 and this will be our our last payment year so as of this year this will be completed in terms of of our Our obligation and our partnership so in 2013 we it was approved to do a 10-year 45% tax increment Grant between the city and the county which would reimburse up to $ 5.14 million uh in public infrastructure the estimated private investment at that time was $100 million the leverage ratio based on that um $100 million with 55 to1 meaning that the private investor was putting in $55 for every dollar of public investment and as you can see in the green the actual private investment was $200 million so it doubled what was anticipated or estimated back in 2013 and then leverage ratio is almost double again at 97 to1 some of the notable public benefits here is the infrastructure because we really sought after the increased connectivity in the area but at the time coming out of the deep uh the Great Recession 2013 was also important to have a job creator of over 1,000 part-time and full-time jobs in West Charlotte uh also generates substantial increase in sales tax revenue these outlet malls generate a lot of sales tax revenue based on the sales volume that's occurring at these facilities the mwsb utilization now I have question marks on the goal because this gets into some of the challenges that we have had and the learning experiences we've had with some of our older agreements as well as some of our new agreements where I can't find a goal yeah and some look at where they actually are the SB was at 125% and the MB was at 17% going back 10 years the way we set goals was a little different than what we set them now and so going back and looking at a couple other projects the goal likely would have been somewhere around between 8 and 12% of total nwsb so you can see here the actual well exceeds what was actually would have been the goal at least I my assumption of what what the goal would have been next slide pleas this is just a graphic illust chair I just got to make a funny note since Council remember when Mayfield back there so tell her the perent outlet their last payment is this year oh so cuz I know this was her baby but she like to talk about the perimeter Outlet mod so just just a funny note I'm sorry well and I think it's really good that we don't look back at these projects enough right where there's there's a lot of angst as we're looking at them on the front end but should we do this um what is the benefit and I think it a great opportunity CH pointed out to look back right can you imagine now not having this that's right um and how it's helped grow a part part of our city that's right um yes ma'am Mr chair I just have a quick question I know that Todd you were explaining uh you were talking flexibility is there any impediment for the council to create like a quantitative goal for that metric or so we rely on CBI to set the goals based on their calculations that they have so they they create the participation plan that's attached to every one of these agreements and they set the goals based on the capacity of the contractors they have on in their inventory okay and versus the scope of work that is basically going to be subject to the reimbursement agreement that we have with the development partner so if they're building a road they provide a scope for this is what it calls to build a road just based on the scope of the you know project at the time yes sir okay all right thank you for that so this slide just just another graphic illustration of how a tax increment Grant payment works the blue bar at the bottom those are effectively the taxes that were being paid on that property both city and county before we entered into a partnership with Premier Outlets they were paying 97 or $91,000 in taxes on an annual basis fast forward a few years the tax base now are what they're paying in taxes is $1.5 million a year so that green area shows the net revenue that's coming to the city and county coffers based on this partnership with Tanger and assignment on the on on the outlet facility the cross-hatched area just represents the payment so as you can see the payment is 45% of those taxes that were generated and now that we finished paying it everything 100% comes to the city and county back to us and so again just want to point out that's new money that's coming into our general fund right that's going to support across our entire community and so again when we have these conversations a lot of times we can we can say well we're investing in this one part of our city but but that new revenue is going to go to support our entire city and this I think just represents the fiscal impact or the fiscal benefit that's coming to the city from from taxes was not in considerations the jobs that are created the sales tax revenue that's there the catalytic development that's occurred around the property and what you're seeing in the area so all of that stuff is being spun off of of the partnership that's here next slide please Camp northon is really interesting because this doesn't use tax increment Grant dollars this is using our CIP and this is one of the few first larger projects where we've actually partnered with the developer using our cips for reimbursement of infrastructure this is one I I frequently like to tell people that it's kind of fell in our lap we planned for this area for years through the applied Innovation core plan trying to figure out what can we do with this 70 acres in the middle of North End and it just so happened the timing worked out perfectly with the cnip program and outlining uh $29 million for the applied Innovation Corridor we had funding ready and available to deploy when we had a partner come to the table for this particular site and ATO has done a fantastic job in partnership with us not just for the infrastructure but also on how they've tened their space how they've built out that space and how they've adapted reuse of the facility that's there it's a really cool project and the way they're taking it um it's really going to be a a benefit to the community the surrounding area and to the the Charlotte region you drive a train I'm just saying this thing behave themselves so one of the things we learned from this project is the the necessity to have flexibility and being adaptable with our funding through our CIP if we didn't have the funding available we may not have been able to entice Atco to stick around and and you know play in this or to acquire this property in partner with us on this so in 2019 2020 we created a bucket that you now see in the budget that shows what there's sort of an economic development bucket of CIP it's not t and where things are going so we can start to deploy those funds where they need to be at the time next slide please this is a a great example of how that bucket has really allowed us to move forward with certain Partnerships that have allowed us to be successful particularly in a quicker time frame that we wouldn't have been able to do otherwise the Balentine reimagined utilizes our tax increment Grant and our CIP tools from a TIG side it was a 15year 45% of increment tax increment Grant not to exceed 25 million this includes the city and the county the estimated private investment here is 1.5 billion so as you can see the leverage ratio is pretty pretty substantial BAS on the amount of investment that they're estimating out there CIP terms is 17 we basically reimburse them for infrastructure up to $17.5 million they've been moving quickly in on this project and we've actually already paid back that full 17.5 million and I would anticipate us starting to pay back on the tax increment Grant within the next couple of years today really quickly on this and how this one was a was a great one Valentine reimagined to keep it as a healthy office Market but um it doesn't go in dealing with some of the same struggles of office vacancy trying to retain office tenants things like that so again it goes back to my point earlier having a developer that has the ability while they might not see the growth that they've invested in as fast as they thought and the revenues might not be there the fact that they can they can carry on some of that upfront investment that they had the other piece to note is that because we recognize these economic conditions we've started started to lean in very closely with Northwood on helping them with vacant office how do we retain their offices um and the businesses that are there and then how do we help send the message for new opportunities to come to the come to the park as well so alignment between without the county being at the table on this as well next slide please so these are some of the partners ship opportunities we have on Horizon don't have a lot of details on these yet but we hope to share more with you over the course of the next sever months starting from left to right that is the Brooklyn and church Redevelopment I think uh that was presented to this committee early this year and talking about some of the challenges we're having with the office vacancy and their plans to repurpose that that building in Downtown um the next one to the right is lot of things of coordination going on there and understanding what those costs are we're still working through that and again we hope to share more with you over the next several months and then on the far right is what's currently happening in Eastland Mall um we see here this building right here is it is it there do that Mr chair I'm just saying it's it's almost that time right I think well this it's almost that time you just look past the fact that we have residence there oh no I acknowledge that in all my public presentations that work has already been done but literally look like I I to come back to us with a master plan I understand um but I'm just wondering what is the Outlook there so we have been going through a costing exercise with them um you we met with them as well last week when they were here in town and heard some of their concerns um and also we're going after a uh grant that would help us get a more after a uh grant that would help us get a more best robust times of Co and just you know tough economic conditions with with the markets in the way that they are but they've been a really good partner and we are trying to move it along quickly okay the other question I had was CTC is that not on the horizon or no it is we just didn't put them we didn't put all the projects that's a big one though right that's a pretty valid question and we had the issue there also pointing to the uh the Tigs about uh the county saying that they did not want to participate in the take assessment by us so we're looking at that project a couple of different options right now a couple different paths understanding where the county um falls on their desire to not participate on that um but then also working with cats um and working with the development team on how we might still deliver that in an efficient effective way okay thank you um mayor Pro while be talking about Gateway up I'll jump to you I I to Echo uh Mr DRS uh I think James me and you were talking so how quick of a century passes crazy right so we we've been talking about this for a long long time and the the concept the coordination of everything um is great and this this is probably one time where the state probably is a little ahead of us in terms of some of the work that's already been done and they needed to be yeah right like we we always knew that the work that went on with the tiger Grant and the extra tracks and all of that had to occur at the same time you know in selecting works with that and now even potentially the red line so did you think that these projects in their own right take a long time but we we are changing and evolving as these projects are going on as well yeah and and I'm I'm just kidding about Eastland as well I know the two teams are are are are very close uh to coming back to the council with some information uh regarding where they stand with the a pH facilities uh and certainly it you know I like I said today I was driving by the site um um and and see the progress that's being made out and all of these projects uh and the ones not included are extremely important from the the economic Vitality of the city and and specifically um Uptown two of them are related to Uptown um and even the project that I referred to going back to the um on on Graham Street um um where the track is there and that can possibly align with the red line if done properly so there's a lot of things that are out there um that um that we have to decide whether or not um uh to what degree we want to play and which bucket those resources come from so this exercise was just really kind of giving us an opportunity to kind of see where the monies are and how they can be spent uh and the horizon projects are in front of us mayor proam thank you Mr chair and Todd thank you for the presentation thus far I think um there's so all of these projects are incredibly important but um to Mr chair and exacerbate the activation around what has already already had an econ economic impact would just um bring a multiplier effect and so um I'd like for us I know we're working on it but I it'd be exciting to see that actually come to fruition but my question is around um on slide nine where you were talking about the premium outlets and this um nine and 10 that is fantastic but it it doesn't include every all the other activation around that property right if you go out there right now it just looks completely different and so I'm wondering as you present this and as a evidence to underg why these these projects are important if you could provide the the broader economic impact um because I think if you were to add that into just this tax space the partnership opportunities on the horizon all of these projects are important but in particular I think you know the project in lower tuck has the the opportunity to really have an impact in that core in that area that they've been waiting for for a very long time and could really bring uh a vibrancy there that those residents have been wanting so very excited to see how that particular project progresses oh did we skip a couple go back yeah go back one or two back to slide 14 yeah yeah thank you so I don't need to go over all this this really just summarizes some of the the tag and CIP activity over the last uh 20 years or so uh as you can see the council has approved 30 P3 agreements 20 tax increment Grant 10 CIP since 2004 that averages M the majority have these have reimbursed for public infrastructure two have included public parking and if you look at the the private leveraging uh we're we're obviously exceeding the goal of 10:1 uh in 20 from since 2004 is 56 to1 since 2020 it was 58 to1 uh the mwsb mwsb utilization this is one that mentioned earlier that we are working to do better with that regard particularly with respect to tracking we've identified there are some gaps in how that has actually tracked between the differences between a CIP project and a tax Inc commit Grant project and so we're we're coordinating now with C to make sure that we are doing a much better a more real time rather than waiting to project is done and seeing what that information is and that way we can basically stay a little bit more on top of that as we go forward next slide so as we move to the small scale projects these are generally uh less than 25 million most of these are actually even less than five or 10 million uh next slide as I mentioned before the business managing grants these have been around for 20 years uh the back in 2004 2007 is uh city council was really programs it like this in the entire country where you know for as an example if you look at a lot of other facade programs around the country they may be reimbursing $5,000 or $10,000 as a limit we actually tier it based on the size and in some cases we go up to $90,000 for a facade Improvement so it's a much more impactful investment which allows us to have a broader reach in some of our most economically distressed corridors and and an effort to remove blight create strong local economies create more opportunities for small business and help supp the opportunity or just need a little extra help to get there uh and and just as an extension that we're also looking at potentially a commercial rehab uh pilot where residential side they have an emergency residential rehab program we're looking at is there an opportunity for do us to do something similar and we've heard where you know roofs of certain small businesses may actually need some help we're we're taking a look at seeing what we can do there and see if if there's an opportunity for us to invest and help partner with small business owners violations we can help get there before it actually get to that point next slide please so the demand remains really strong for these programs uh we have maxed out available funds for this fiscal year and we are counting on funding availability for next year to be able to award grants for our last round of the fiscal year and so this kind of as a kind of a testament to the success of these programs over time uh since 2020 we've awarded 250 grants uh and equates to about $6 million in reimbursement and then a total leverage amount of50 over $55 million from the these grants out we've also had to reduce the maximum award on some grant opportunities just to make sure we had available funding to get us through to as as far as we can throughout the year next slide please it's just some recent examples of some of these small scale Partnerships particularly using his business matching grants uh first at the top left is at 610 West Sugar Creek Road this is browsed by Kiki a small business up there and then the lower right is lower tuck that's one phase the first phase of the lower tuck project uh of adaptive reuse of the warehouseing mark where taking a dilapidated Shopping Center or a shopping center that hasn't seen a lot of investment and really turning it around and being a sort of a main street or Hub or focal point for the community this is a unique shopping center that has a host of office space as well it has interior office space Not Just exterior and and out Parcels of retail so they have a mix of nonprofit tenants they have a daycare they have doctor's offices they have dentist offices they have restaurants they have everything that a downtown or Main Street has it's just in a little bit different type of setting you might see in a any more you know really kudos to the team and what they've done on this project next slide please just uh as we get into some non-traditional small scale Partnerships just a few to kind of highlight we talk about strategic land acquisition this is one that where we can get um have a lot of impact if it if it's well done and and intentional about it one of the examples is the Belmont sea store in a service station years ago the city acquired at the request to cmpd to acquire two they wanted to take this they wanted to actually kind of reinvigorate the commercial core of the down or of the Belmont neighborhood and so we kept the two of the commercial buildings and we we did a solicitation process to get a small-scale developer who worked really well with the community now you have a a barbecue restaurant and a vet clinic and Bottle Shop U the businesses hire people from within the neighborhood it's been a real asset to the community much different from what it was before and so narcotic sales firearm sales that were not legal now we're turning into to vet clinic and barbecue so I I think it's really a testament to how the power of doing this type of project can do and leaning in on that with Sugar Creek Hotel taking one of the worst hotels in that Corridor and turning it into an asset for that community and into affordable for sale housing product which is really again as The Testament to the doing the Strategic land acquisition and actually been able to facilitate a a a market that may not be able to operate without public sector involvement some other areas this start scale sustain this S3 Grant this is effectively kind of a precursor to our business district organization program it helps build capacity of BU burining business districts and some of our neighborhoods to help them get ready for a business district organization program um opportunity hubs we mentioned that earlier with the small business really excited about the impact that could have in our corridors and the benefit it will have in our small businesses in these areas and then the Lisk Charlotte emergency development training program this is really an exciting for us we've been talking about this for a few years of how do we increase the capacity more opportunities for minority developers to actually be active in our community and have more access to Capital and knowledge on the process and be successful in that endeavor next slide these are just some quick examples of different types of different approaches of these smallscale development opportunities from left to right that's a Five Points uh Rosal Ferry working with st kova to revitalize that property turning it into Jeet Pizza Ras uh really great assets to the community and in adjacent to five Plaza which is another city investment so we're trying to leverage all the different Investments we have it's been a massive transformation of that that intersection and working with them in Main Street HW and everybody trying to coordinate there what district is that and and I would say on both of these we could right we couldn't have done either of these really as well without the partnership with Lisk and night foundation so they were really incredible to work with on these these projects and then on the far right this is something that I think came out of previous conversations about utilizing Tax incr Grants for smaller projects and seeing how it works so that is North Greenville that is on Statesville Road District they're under construction right now so this is an example of how we're trying to utilize tools a little bit differently than we have in the past and kind of seeing how it works and how it plays out yeah projects on the horizon from our small scale perspective uh exceler Club this is one that we are committed to success there's no opportunity there's no other alternative here and then Sugar Creek Hotel briefly mentioned that earlier uh fresh food and produce opportunities in West Charlotte there's a couple really exciting opportunities over there that we're talking with folks on that we're really enthusiastic about bringing more fresh fruit and project so we're really interested in work in partnership with with the the nonprofits the philanthropists the other organizations that are there because we know we can't do it by ourselves and neither can they so this is where leveraging different Partnerships and investment opportunities really comes into play and that's how these kind of projects are able to get to uh to from Vision to reality and the West remount strip center uh that's something that we acquired about a year ago you know we're in process of of we've secured a development partner they're working with the community and help turn that into doing a similar process that we did in the Belmont neighborhood of really turning it into aips of not just liite Foundation but other nonprofits and philanthropic organizations we can't be successful without in Partnership and leveraging these opportunities as we go forward so as to wrap up um every partnership opportunity does require a customized approach depending on the size scale location uniqueness of that project when we try to take a more customized approach to that um when we doing negotiations or we're having conversations with these potential private development Partners these are the key areas that we're we're working from a pol utilization Transportation Mobility bike infrastructure roads uh ped Transit all that is what really kind of the Forefront when we're having these conversations how do we derive some of these public benefits to out of these conversations with these developments and then again I just want to mention that even though these tools that I mentioned before they kind of are based on policy and they are they're kind of our standard go-tos we are Relentless in our ways of trying to create new projects or new new um new tools that can be customizable to different challenges that evolve over time and then lastly I can't express the importance Lings private investment out there by them ourselves and we all need each other to actually make some of the more difficult projects come through with that turn it over for you for questions that that was a a very very good presentation and it it goes to show the wide variety of programs and grants and um incentive that we provide for a wide variety of projects large and small um a districtwide u impact or a Citywide impact and so um I think to do these projects so it's just not the big projects um like a Bank of America Stadium our Spectrum but there are also projects right in your neighborhood right in your community that have District impact and Citywide impact so there's any questions we got one quick item that we have to do uh before we leave um on this topic okay there being none um there was a memo on your uh table about the committee there's open referral that each Council committee have to review advisory boards uh throughout jobs economic and one of those committee that links up for job and economic development committee is the city Charlotte business inclusion advisory and So currently the members are appointed to a two-year term while other visory committees have a three-year term so I'm proposing for the committee to consider recommending to council to update the CBI AC to a three have check with the city clerk and the City Attorney office and CBI AC appointment process consistent with other boards and commissions so uh pretty straight forward Mr chair is that I hope there something we can put forward for a committee vote today any questions from committee members move to approve second all those in favor all those opposed uh all those want to go the lunch raise your hand other those opposed the insurance thank you [Music] everybody e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] he a [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] w oh [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] d [Music] [Music] all right well good afternoon thank you all for joining us perfect committee chair and I would like to pause here for introductions starting to my left Matt hasset City Treasurer finance office Teresa Smith Chief Financial Officer Sean Heath City manager's office council member TK you council member Brown representing District 3 Lana May Rebecca Hepner housing and Neighborhood Services Jane taon housing and Neighborhood Services anyone online oh Marie sorry Marie Harris strategy and budget anyone online do we hear anyone online D Anderson mayor protim district one and that's all uh first we will receive a debt financing update from our CFO Teresa Smith and next we will receive Baseline information on our referral to review the criteria and this is something council member Mayfield had brought up at our at one of our budget uh discussions and that's to review the criteria used for funding so with that let me turn this over to our CFO Madam CFO thank you I think if we could get the presentation up sorry David can you pull the debt PowerPoint up I didn't pay attention this is the number two that's up now we need the debt one up please for the second one yeah but I'm just right okay thank you for you I do have with me uh Matt hastad City Treasurer so uh at the end of the presentation or anywhere along the way if you have questions please stop us um so that we can respond to those questions so next slide um just a couple of things we wanted to hit today on the agenda so having that conversation about what it is what the calendar looks like and then this year we have uh the added item that you don't normally see which is the go Bond referendum process because this is an every two-year cycle so we thought it would be helpful to at least spend one slide to talk about what that looks like next so comprehensive we really have a very comprehensive Capital program that both involves the planning of how we look at our capital projects the financing that includes more than just debt so we look at things like pgo or grant funding so other sources uh of funding to our projects but that also how even though the credit entities are separate they're really connected and sort of overlap we think you all have very good management practices and planning practices that really applies to all of the credit entities not just one credit entity um individually and so when we think about debt uh from the finance department we really are thinking about all of these kind of at the same time not just one of them individually and I did I S thank thank you for reminding so if you go back to a previous slide so when we have Enterprise funds right for for an example Charlotte water or airport they have their own Enterprise source of Revenue uh and expenditures so associated with on raing right so we'll we'll get into that a little bit on some of the coming slides when we talk about the types of debt and the pledge of Revenue that supports that um so using like a a Charlotte water as the example when they issue debt that debt is supported by the revenues of that system and so a rating agency will look at that specifically but there're also and what makes is different if you look at the column there about pledge that is that is probably the biggest difference um between the four types that we have here so a general obligation bond is the Pledge of that revenue is what we call the city's full faith and credit so what this means is the property tax will support that debt uh this type of debt if the city were unable to afford the debt that we have issued which we have a comprehensive planning proess process that we don't get into that situation but we would raise the property tax in order to support the debt that has been issued so that's what full Fai uh full faith and credit means revenue bonds is the example uh Council minage miror that you were mentioning so our Enterprise funds use revenue bonds so those bonds this is what we usually use for things like equipment and Facilities that is a lot like if you think of your home mortgage or maybe a car loan where the uh the pledge is the collateral uh so it is a pledge of an asset rather than a pledge of a revenue and then a bond anticipation note uh and we take that and turn it into a long-term note after that so looking at the next two slides goes a little deeper into the different credit entities and the type of debt that they use so first we'll talk about uh General government so we have uh affordable housing streets and neighborhood infrastructure and then our facilities so a lot of times we really advertise the AAA for our general government we also utilize cops and then we also utilize the ban which again is that short-term program the other credit the other three listed on this slide are are our Hospitality credit entities so for the hospitality credit entities we're utilizing a cops uh method to finance those and again you know we a little different so we utilize the cops structure for that one rather than a revenue Bond um and again three of the four here utilize that ban or that shortterm financing before we go to a long-term financing so next slide now a little bit about process um what we're talking about today looked at the projects you've said these are the things we want to fund you approve that project budget then whoever the responsible department is depending on what that project is they will start to execute that so they're getting the contracts they're starting the construction they're going through the actual execution of that project that's where Finance comes in and we make sure that the have to go to the local government commission so local government commission uh is a commission that was established really after the Great Depression and it's um unique to the state of North Carolina but they will approve any debt financing before we're actually able to do it so after you all approve the local government has to uh local government commission has to approve and the commission has to approve it has there any discusses where they may not approve it so approve it so not for the city of Charlotte okay all right but there have been there there have been instances for other entities um where the local government commission um so there are a couple then they do have the ability to actually things aligned with where the commission is and then take that back for another approval didn't get that initial approval but they were able to go back and the local government didn't get that initial approval but they were able to go back and the local government commission there are um when municipal uh there are certain examples you can um to fulfill our commitment of the local those types of folks when we're looking at projects to make sure that we're only taking Pro get into position where we we would have something fail good yes reasonable and not accessive yes what was the first one council member BR we want to spend more time on the second presentation so would you like to okay good okay so again we want so really may look like they're meeting schedule but we do have um four in the process of the first two are related to water and that on April 22nd so you've already funding is this if you think of uh an opportunity in the current market to realize savings with to do a refunding of that so it's the heads up to the May the 13th we will kick this off uh then the next thing will happen the sort of green stars that you see here those that while we're starting the referendum process on May the 13th we do recognize that um sort of scheduled this along the way so that the two are for any additional questions that you have so if you go back to Ure Revenue anticipation that we had Charlotte water presentation last Last At Last committee meeting fining for projects that are already approved okay so this was for our for 2025 fiscal year budget next year I have a committee members any questions I need to go back to page one sure came from the previous budget I go with storm water not correct correct okay correct okay do we off of that sure so um storm have a current outstanding Bond anticipation note that is take that and convert it to a long-term financing so 125 of that financing uh to create savings so you take 80 of currently outstanding that will be refunding and that's Madam chair I'm good thank you much higher uh so Mar is presenting okay team and with the special guest star Cherry Smith who works one onone information in and speaks to them on a regular basis with procurement with again that a business meeting around okay Financial Partners I know back Partners we had some criteria currently there isn't much and if you look at the next Slide the main thing is types of financial partners and I believe the one we were talking about um at is a discretionary Revenue Partners but we'll go ahead and just go over uh at our last meeting when discretionary Revenue partner came up cover them all but but I think the area that has the most opport yall want to know more information in or have reviewed we can delve into further okay so these are ones that have like around like um as you um it's the hotel let me read off the slide Hotel occupy rental car um the types of activities pave roads with it that you know or plug it into where so again those are ones that are more limited on what you can actually use them for if you go to the next slide please and then there's a lot of questions strict laws from North Carolina about what you can actually Levy uh District oh on every parcel unless it's a certain parcel that you excuse from and I think some people don't realize that the T the actual par yes Miss council member may feel there's something like a public use um organiz so when we did um when we were having discussion about was the breakdown between residential and businesses you're right majority of Center City Park and uh Center City ential that I notice as part of the process well part of my question of clar there it was mentioned to me the MSD is only for businesses and I was like no because EV is impacting the residential neighborhoods egress and regress but it was stated that Center City Partners is only I'm pretty sure the MSD is everyone we that could be a follow provide a map now and just real quick so right now districts one through four Uptown and South in in University City Park so one two 4 and then we okay Valentine yeah yeah do a really good job trying to leverage those dollars but around those now now sometimes there's more than one provider and they do look at okay provider that they could put out for RFP who can provide fund from our financial partners it's an application process that has this year we released them on November the 1st and then they're due in January so this year's du Partners as well as partners so we really try to spread a widen net that could Advance uh Council strategic priorities if you do that then uh we have we have I think about I won't read what you can read for yourselves but just kind of a general walk through that they have submitted documentation that is list but we verify that hey to the program outside of our budget that includes uh performance measures um m W SBE utilization as well measures uh having organizations then our Equity measures are also reported at the med partner uh within that contract process before they sign anythings uh there is no maximum amount for the requests typically it is a one those Partners were shifted over to our general fund allowed for them to be a part of our financial partner program um with that partner application packet this year um so with the previous organizations were able to receive onethird of their budget 400,000 and then there were that was based on the so a lot of this tied back to what you can and cannot do with Federal this this was a dedicated Revenue Source cdbg say that one more time so is that because I thought we were going over discretionary funds don't have any programs so wanted to give you guys and then our last slide I said I'd be efficient I hopefully you agree um meinberg County all our financial partners they call it their community service grant program um so some Sunset requirements partner with them I know we Mitchell council member Mayfield okay are some recommendations they your organization should be at a much stronger we know 5 years that's not really given a chance for the program to be have so many different programs and also refund us whatever funds that we may have given to them so I was hoping that I that we would see uh does here's now what we're recommend recommending and order to have clearly what we were thinking but first we didn't want to get ahead of you so chair was trying to um give us time to pick your brains so and then and you like this component of Philadelphia this component mber County from right now from today's from right now from today's discussion with to for us to get this to full Council so it would be this meetings in July but we do want to give you the time but I think within a couple meetings you work probably in October I I'm looking at Cherry because we by the end of August or early September approve yes budget about to be approved we already have a number of funding re had the longer discussion on so in my dream recommendations would come it may not be fair for the people that already appli so before opening up the fiscal year applying for if you're a nonprofit to what our new criteria may be thank coun this first no more specific for me with nonprofits that we have already funded and um of what they did with the funding and um if it was same ones coming again did they meet if they expanded to other nonprofit or and I know we put it out there but that could be up to council we can see how we can get the word may not qualify what do we have in place to help them and we do in the packet we try to give you current partner we said here's what they submitted for their midyear report but right now no criteria for us to say we're not this one isn't meeting criteria it's just there's no criteria so that we have something to go on where it because it could become criteria and if that's something that Council need to look at and we as look and see what we need to do that but I would love people but if I don't meet all of the guidelines that I need to meet board with getting funding so the no criteria is a big piece I believe that's the reason this was aeration to focus on is I would like to hear from committee members said she would like to hear from us before they come up with with recommendations because I think um that we are not being heard so it's good that you are I I like that what I would like and council member mayi conversation to happen with the m manager and because the fin process which you clearly uh we have that in our package request if they didn't meet the criteria now so I think thisy all of our financial otherwise you look for other opportunities so I like that we will be I would like to see if we go back to slide number 11 so my second question is are you okay with this timeline that we currently with criteria and let's go ahead let okay so thank you madam chair and I I I Echo first of all you said we ought to refer this to our committee chair act I think number one uh they need we have our our priorities right great neighborhood Safe Community the Wellman council member Johnson and asmir and W board and making sure all our organization respect the diversity in our community touch I think we can find the best practices throughout the countrys that I know have Financial partner seven I think we need to give I'm open whether it's 5 seven or 10 but the third thing is how to use our money we that's where the difference is made and so I want to make sure I'm equipment Now understand to do program you need to hire staff so a better job so own accountability I I I got to make sure much as I much as they use our funding and Sean you and I kind of go back on this and partner we give us one thing for you all for us to give you the criteria the timeline you will send us out you know what we and that's a partner maybe we need to continue to fund so Madam chair I hope I wasn't too long thank you no I think that was spot on I think that's the type of conversation of operations versus programming uh youth are struggling with population um and we need to have more program uh there are other partners that we work with we are to council member Mayfield's point where you know not applying for opportunities whether it's with I think there needs to be some sort of streamline process other in addition to like to see one of our priorities as or uh which other line item cuz I don't Source driven do okay so I would like on businesses mhm and where we have um so when we go through this um criteria we out I think you brought it up and I think um so having that set perform if they don't get passing grade whether that's C or B oh so performance measures would be important well council member all of us experts like uh Rebecca hner cmpd they're looking driven approach to all of this um should never be PR paying advance rightly I don't like challeng yeah cuz that's telling them they have to fund and quarterly once we identify a dollar amount that you says that's part of the criteria we can look at so if we can take a look at if there that's the Milestone hey they did X they're doing X programming did they second quarter or the third quarter right um have term limit and I know this is something council member Mayfield had brought a problem limits um so that uh and county has okay any you other thing I look at is that well let me tell you because I I I worked in public to hire trying to level an organization where after two to three Mar and Sh well are we still let's are we still going through before point of the audit um my background is in accounting and bookkeeping too so we did Chang upon the filing requirement of a financial um visibility perspective because yeah and then if you look at slide number 14 this funding but you know I can be convinced otherwise i' would like and that's for next year or we're shutting your business down but that's part but a plan on what what would you do if you don't get city funding MH but that's the only thing I'm not getting Fund in this year so it shouldn't be for service things um and then um I'll come back if I if I have more and maybe I'll talk with you separately out because we currently don't have any uh so someone could submit poten yep so I'm sure I have a lot more let my committee members to weigh in um and I'll come back chair Mitchell you all want I'm looking here's the reality on the ground we have had for a number of years out of pocket on in different parts of West Side whether that's West bu maneuver through our system they have done some group then gets funding you are not able to do the work because you don't have the community reason I said seven years looking at Philadelphia is because we do know done around in this committee we know that have an impact in community also then that gives that organization enough time to build up their other fun more for me no more than 20% of your funding needs to be coming from government in challenges when those Fally is care for our elders L with our elders and council member Brown legislative breakfast over the weekend and the county as far as STS and bus but there's also because our seniors are a lot more active today and if they are to the place where the transportation system and get them from point A to point B so having something a standing place not just the what was all the that's not what I'm talking about I'm not talking about that church fitness challenge I'm talking about real programming for our don't have a space that's created for them measures it can't consider that performance measure isn't going to be the same for versus doing Outreach so we have to make sure that the P the and that application and that way when the application goes out we're clearly let in here is how you're going to be we can give them some on the end that will help determine yeah I believe more transparent on the front end I sustaining I've shared before to me organization is working with youth and you're telling me you're on the fourth generation that the fact that you need to partner with another organization or is that well in today's climate you being a homeowner is on a social economic status Sal yet were you able start a business that's a very different convers a youth at 10 11 12 13 years old and Mel's in the move College out there that are successful I'm not encouraging you all to reinvent the will it's great to look at this breakdown of how many organizations are it right now by sell their homes them writing and their property this is happening on the ground right now so training is when we talk about for vehicles okay we're going to fund this purchase of the unlike last week when we had the chance to vote on it and vote and oppos to make you think about funing we've done for that we're already putting in Surplus that's still in good condition opposed to that will automatically connect them for them to be able to go on the process so that there's a clear line of con trying to do and be successful but also tie in to our needs and I think it would help to move the Comm that we're hurting what we're attempting to do but we cannot continue with uh no maximum request amount we don't have to doing amazing work let's look at some of those that are already doing and create our so apparently this seems was responding to me oh no social media me abolutely so we have criteria as far as you have to we don't we staff do not assess that we just give you what they said same with um Regular performance measures but to is a clear way for us to track what they've said buy me a new car and it'll be 6 months to a year before you that I or Elders or any other thing if you are a board that is not diverse I'm going to have Community is extremely diverse but you are you don't even have representation of the that's concerning for me is it Robert oh no Robert here I want us to be flexible in our judgment and in what we do I great need in this community to reach so many different entities reach so many different entities so I definitely want to make sure that we don't do that said the county uh we don't need to match the county we the city council programming for for their reason and it may be working for them out of my own pocket my money comes out of my funding comes and my housing that I do my funding does not come in the city of Charlotte I won't even apply for anything in the city of Charlotte time to get your infrastructure together um building your organiz like I did when I first came home didn't really know what I was doing had a hard to go we had to not where we need to be let in this space coming taking over and getting funded for seven years consecutive the small organization want to dot their eyes and cross their tees but partner with them and partner with them and I don't have all the answers in um organizations that would never ever receive any funding to $150,000 to see what you're doing and then magnitude more organized and they continue to build their infrastructure the 990s if you're $50,000 and under all you have so yeah I'm that's that's that's why I'm here I'm moving our city forward that are doing great things in the community like for our seniors um tell people that we can't fund them getting the vehicle taking people to vote or taking on us and what's not working take that out giving funding out to now nobody we want to continue to Champion this discretionary this is the one area where our light gets to shine bright and some amazing work and I'm coming in on it I love how we do that this committee is charged to see how we do that but this is the one area where we can say city council is really doing something policies and things to stand out in this area right here so that's something um allowing everybody that's doing whatever work they can that's what I would like to see and that is a we don't want to elimigate U um okay but there's a small organization out some help some uplifting that we may kind of let them do what they Community if it's effective if it's if it's moving our community forward that's right organization continue to support them stop at 3:45 need anything else not for on at least we and you know I'm trying to put that you and give you some flowers today as well information for um what you do all the staff those that thank you got a lot of feedback on let's your recommendations I think think we will probably need presented to the full this passion on this topic is because you know lot of Youth council member about uh supporting our he's certainly very passionate to the Full Count you know now we are adding discussion well this was our last agenda are no additional comments from U Mr Heath do you have any so there you go favor please leave the room e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e how are you today how you doing what's up good afternoon everyone good afternoon my left and just work way around good after it's on good afternoon everyone my name is Tiana hello Sean Heath City manager's office services D with our introductions online I okay no worries Services Andrew Bowen Innovation and Technology housing and neighborhood services Sterling patteron youth programs not city attorney's office Janine siming items and answer any questions or clarify anything from last week discussion thanks chair wat Lon we can go in pation we received a lot of feedback in those conversations so today is really our attempt to demonstrate to you that that we've reflected on that feedback and and we've retooled some of this we've reframed it I'm joined here by our great Partners from the United Way and housing director Hefner as well and members of the team in terms of format I'll quickly go through a little bit of the prepared materials I'll try and do that in an accelerated fashion then I'm going to ask Laura Clark from the United Way to share some perspective on on their role in this overall broad effort and then we'll open it up for any Q&A next slide please and you can go ahead and populate the entire next slide slide number two Once you pull it up and I won't wait we'll just keep going time is short um if slide two were up you would see that it's something that we shared on April 22nd in the action review just a quick snapshot of the a home for all initiative so the journey really started in calendar year 200 21 uh a broad cross-section of the community came together public sector private sector nonprofits and really kind of gave birth to the a home forall initiative the aspirational vision for a home forall is as follows homelessness is rare brief and non- recurring and everyone has access to affordable housing and the resources to sustain it it's a bold Vision it's not the sort of vision that can be accomplished overnight but it provides us collectively with a bit of a North star to gravitate towards in terms of the timeline since the initiative was rolled out we've been on a progression in fy22 a strategic framework was released which was the first of two deliverables associated with the home forall it had 99 recommendations there a a long menu of opportunities for the community to consider also in fy22 the United Way um was identified and asked to kind of lead and serve as the quarterback Agency for this work moving into FY 23 with with the United Ways work engaging the community an implementation plan was released which took those 99 recommendations and distilled them into a much shorter list of priorities more digestible for the community and FY 24 has really been more around design and piloting and really kind of assembling the resources to get this going and off the ground and then FY 25 to FY 28 is intended to be the implementation ramp up period so we got the slide now on screen you may recall in April second I had one slide that showed literally dozens of logos so those were organizations that are actively involved in this effort today uh a really wide cross-section of the community nonprofits large and small meinberg County city of Charlotte private sector and then also importantly workstreams have individuals from the community with lived experience so it's a really diverse group of folks that are around the a home for all table literally and figuratively okay slide three next slide this will also look familiar from our action review conversation this is a graphic of the five-year implementation priorities for a home for all just going to cherry pick a few things on here in the interest of time so going from left to right you can see there are four vertical Towers we refer to them as the pillars of a home forall first is the emergency response pillar on the left which is really focused on the unsheltered and you can see the reference here provide robust robust holistic support exists in part because of feedback from the city of Charlotte last year think about conversations we had for example ordinance enforcement and the like where there was I think a deep understanding around some of the challenges not only in uptown Charlotte but but certainly that's where we see the most intense challenges associated with the unsheltered population so there are a few work streams underneath of that pillar and then on the right side the three pillars that we refer to as Upstream priorities people prevention and production people as I mentioned before really kind of thinking about the consumer experience so to speak you know imagine someone in the community that's homeless it and this is this is the case in many communities it can be a very fragmented system it can be hard to understand where to go where to start um how to work with different Community Partners on on your journey from homelessness into stable housing so that's the emphasis on the people pillar uh prevention hopefully speaks with itself what are strategies and tactics that we can collectively Advance as a community in order to keep people housed and then production is just an acknowledgement that while more units isn't the only piece of the equation having more affordable units brought into the system is always an important piece of of the puzzle that we're trying to solve for so underneath of of the pillars you can see for example Street Outreach on the far left there there are 12 distinct work streams and what we've done here is we've got these dashed circles that show the seven areas that the city is currently exploring and this is where we'll get into a conversation to make sure that what we're doing is aligned with committee expectations but of the 12 there's seven currently that staff is is most interested in and of those seven we're going to talk specifically about five on subsequent slides so what I'm going to do is chry pick the two that aren't really spoken to later in the presentation one would be Street Outreach once again something we talked about in depth as it related to the ordinance enforcement discussions and and the importance of Street Outreach in January and February there were a lot of things that were kind of on the drawing board and we were excited about and I think there was some excitement with Council as well and I'm pleased to report today that we're making a lot of progress so hearts for the invisible is the organization that I've mentioned before led by Jessica lefkowitz the county has been working with hearts for the invisible the city has been working with hearts for the invisible as of today she has her small team of folks that are embedded and and really focused primarily on the unsheltered population in the center city which is something we talked about a couple months ago as being really important for us uh last week in a conversation United United Way had with Atrium Atrium expressed a desire to move forward with Psych atric Street Outreach which is willing to think think about how they could step forward and provide some of that psychiatric Outreach in the field is very meaningful and and a good example of how United Way is kind of plugged into the ecosystem and helping us move this forward um last point on Street Outreach is to me it's kind of a microcosm of how something like a home for all can be powerful how do we get the community aligned around a particular priority done you know part of a home for all how do we get various players in the ecosystem coordinating on programming that's just what we're doing meinberg County kind of got it started with with um hearts for the invisible and supporting Jessica leitz and the development of a strategic plan then we came in a couple months later to provide some additional support for Jessica to have that dedicated Street Outreach team Uptown we know we've got our cares team Charlotte Center City Partners has their Ambassador team so having those disperate pieces connected and talking to each other and through a home for all kind of building that momentum in terms of different different entities and organizations that are engaging the unsheltered population is really important uh moving to the far right Housing Trust Fund uh here really just an acknowledgement that expanding the Housing Trust Fund through additional City dollars and our a long-term vision of potentially having meinberg County contemplate providing some support Gap funding type support like we do uh would be clearly a very important thing we haven't talked about that here with you because we know that that's just the sort of thing that you're going to be grappling with as part of your fy2 budget process going forward over the next month or so as we leave this slide I would mention that one item that we've really taken off the table for now is legal advocacy which is in the prevention Tower so we felt like there was some the level of questions and concern around that particular Topic at the last council meeting and our view were so strong that we felt like in the interest of time let's take that one off all together now I'd love to think that maybe in the future we could have another conversation about it but for now we're just taking it off the table focus our efforts and attention elsewhere okay next slide so we have just a handful of slides here to focus on those those five areas that were circled on the previous page just to make sure we're doing our part to provide transparency around what does the path forward look like here so critical home repair of course we all know city of Charlotte very long history of of supporting critical home repair and emergency with the city of Charlotte it could be difficult for them to to stay in their residence so this would not be new for us you can see the reference here to like a two-prong strategy the 1.5 million referenced at the top not really incremental not incremental funding it's embedded in our CIP request in the fy2 budget and historically last couple years we've spent at or above that amount so this this would not really be a new thing for us but one thing we wanted to make sure we were clear about consistent with the way we handled things last year is that we will go through a request for qualifications process and before we put that money to work we would have a request for Council action that would come to full councel last year it just so happened in our request for qualifications that Rebuilding Together Habitat for Humanity and for the struggle were three entities that demonstrated the ability to do this sort of work with our cdbg dollars so that's the sort of exercise that we would go through again with this $1.5 million and then the $300,000 here uh director Hafner and I have both made references to this over the last couple meetings but just to put a f point on it here not that I would expect anybody to remember CU I had to look back at all my notes but so in 2022 in the great neighborhoods committee uh director Hefner provided an overview and some perspective on a whole Suite of strategies and Investments that we were considering as part of the staying in place program with some pgo funding that was set aside in the budget a couple years ago and there was there was a discussion around we would activate on the component pieces when the Tim was was right and there were some references in that presentation to the importance of support for critical home rehab for low and moderate income households as well as things that we couldn't should do in order to build some capacity within the community for contractors that could do that work with a particular emphasis on MBE where possible so that would be the idea there with the 300,000 and oh by the way that would be in combination with meinberg County and with US Bank who has stepped forward through a grand application that was submitted by the United Way where that would be a coll cative effort to do capacity building with $900,000 in in order to adjust some impediments that uh the contractors would have in order to bring this work into the marketplace because as I've said before it's not enough to have the program design would you like to pause with each one of these slides for committee feedback would you like me to go through each of them and then and then we'll do feedback in the all theal okay okay all right let's keep rolling and Slide Five so as we've talked about before with emergency rental assistance in Co if you think about the funding that came into the community with the cares Act and the American Rescue plan and other Federal stimulus funds the city of Charlotte alone had well over $50 million that was devoted to emergency rental rental assistance went through the ramp program which is co-funded by the city and the county and administered by dream key so uh we don't have $50 million at our disposal uh for that sort of thing going forward so the idea here with this particular opportunity would be to how could we be as intentional as possible recognizing that the demand for this kind of support is is always going to outstrip supply um how could we leverage data to have a targeted approach to providing emergency rental assistance and how how do we kind of build on and expand on the types of emergency rental assistance that's available in the market today uh possibly providing additional rental assistance Beyond just the one month's rent that's overdue um providing some dedicated supports Supportive Services in order to help stabilize a household so this is one where when I presented it last there was a little there were questions around well what has Council approved or not approved so we want to take ambiguity out of this equation Al together and just say here right now that that we would bring an RCA back to council that would outline all of the specifics on this investment opportunity uh where the money would go uh what what the vision for the specific program would be etc etc um another point that we wanted to make here is that as we're looking at fy2 you also have a financial partner request from crisis assistance historically that's where they've received city funding on an annual basis at least through the financial partner program so the fy2 request that they have in the mix right now is 395,000 for rental assistance and 180,000 for utility assistance so this idea here through the home forall initiative would not displace any of that it would be in addition to and above what you're being asked to consider through the financial partner process but the idea would be that we would do something a little different with the money than the way that crisis is currently running their programs and it'd be important for me to to say that crisis has been a great partner for us both in the kind of the recurring routine work that they do and when we've had displacement events in the community and we've called crisis um they don't ask many questions about well this and that they said how can I help and when when do you need me and where uh so there's of nothing more valuable than that one other thing I would mention on emergency rental assistance is in the Q&A if you want council member is mey You' add a specific question on April 22nd about well how much money did we get in the ra2 prog program how much have we spent what's left and what are we plan on doing with what's left we have a slide in the appendix that lays all of that out so we can come back to that later next slide please property provider recruitment planning so once again I'm repeating myself a little bit from prior presentations but here the idea is we know as a community that just having a rental subsidy in hand does not guarantee housing and individuals in the community sometimes sadly uh their vouchers expire or if they do found or if they are successful in finding housing it can often be many months before they're placed in a unit so the idea here is to really focus on more like a systems level approach to the Recruitment and Retention of landlords that are willing to accept vouchers so right now as you can imagine it's very fragmented in the marketplace you've got a lot of agencies that are out trying to do the same thing figuratively knocking on landlord doors asking for them asking if they'd be willing to accept a voucher holder so this would kind of centralize that front-end piece where imagine having a bullpen of as many housing providers as possible that are ready willing and able to rent to individuals with either housing Choice vouchers or other or or some other form of rental subsid and then as opportunities emerge having having a quick matchmaking process that could happen uh this of course requires resources right because the whole idea is how can you how can you make the landlords indifferent or close to indifferent between accepting a voucher holder and an non voucher holder and often that requires some sort of an incentive either a holding fee or a signing lease bonus or some sort of risk damage funds on the back end there are various tools that can be used in order to recruit those landlords into the mix so that would be the the basic idea there okay next slide and and the last one along these lines and we're nearing the end here so once again in terms of retooling and reframing since we last had a conversation these are two items where we're pressing pause not because we're less enthusiastic about it but we just want to make sure that we're bringing items to committee when they're ready and when they're ready for prime time so for various reasons uh we're making this a lot more generic in part because I know there was some feedback last time that we need to be careful about putting specific numbers and out there because we can inadvertently set some expectations with the community so we pulled back on both of these there's the reason the amount says TBD and the funding source says TBD uh maybe the most important thing is on the far right where when these are ready for prime time when they're ripe and ready for conversation we will start here in the committee and seek your feedback um I I would mention um system navigation very quickly that gets back to that people part of the pillars uh the emergency shelter for for me this is all about timing and there's some very specific things that Council will be doing over the next six months that will reveal whether this emergency shelter concept is or is not something we should bring back into committee uh Step One is the budget process and and the evaluation you'll do around the Housing Trust Fund and how how big that should be step two of course is the referendum in November and step three and these are all of co-equal importance will be the policy referral that was released by the mayor in early April which the committee will start chewing on uh next month giving you an opportunity to identify or or affirm what your investment priority areas are for the housing trust fund and what if any allocation you want to set up for the Housing Trust Fund across new multif family construction Noah comprehensive rehab home ownership all of the things that that you've expressed some interest in but to date the Housing Trust Fund has never really identified allocation percentages for those investment Alternatives so as you're going through that exercise it should be revealed to what extent things like emergency shelter and permanent Supportive Housing continue to be priorities and and if so then in calendar year 2025 when the Housing Trust Fund has been replenished and when we have a clear sense for your policy priorities through that referral if there's something that emerges that seems lined up uh with your policy preferences then we would bring it back in for a more meaningful conversation okay last slide on on key takeaways just to underscore here our participation in a home for all driven by committee driven by Council if there things you see that you want us to speed up on we'll speed up if there are things you see you want us to slow down on we'll slow down if there are things you want us to pause we'll pause if there are things you don't like at all we'll put them to the side just like we did on the on the eviction prevention in terms of approvals uh we be sensitive to not get ahead of the headlights on anything you know anything that would normally go through the council approval process is going to go through the council approval process and then on the United ways role you know I've given some Snippets of examples already where I think that role is proving to be very valuable you know the coordination and evaluation of efforts across workstreams as I mentioned in the last meeting whenever you have multiple workstreams and you have multiple funders there's there's a very valuable role for program management in the middle and then also when you have a need for fundraising because the vision for a home for all has always been a public private sector collaboration partnership I mentioned to you before that meinberg county is in the midst through their budget process of evaluating a home forall investment opportunities somewhere around $14 million for FY 25 so they're doing their thing you know we're advancing things in a way that makes sense for us and the and the United Way is also in the midst of of a under the quiet phase of of a campaign with the private sector associated with helping to activate some of these initiatives so that that was a whirlwind tour I'd like to now pause for a second and give Laura a chance just to provide her perspective on their work and then we'll bounce into Q&A thanks Sean and thanks for the opportunity to be here I want to be sure and acknowledge our board members who took time out of their day to be here Raj and Joe as you all know better than anybody our our Collective efforts to address these issues have not yielded the kind of results that we want and we still face significant challenges related to homelessness and affordable housing much of this is a result of unprecedented growth the unfettered rise in the cost of living untreated mental illness and the consequences of the opioid epidemic as a result our nonprofits are stretch Beyond capacity Uptown vibrancy is threatened and many of our neighbors including teachers and police officers cannot afford to live in the city in which they work Charlotte stands at a precipice either we come together now aggressively and creatively to tackle some of these problems or It's Quickly going to be beyond our control like we are watching happen in other cities every single day we need to keep doing the things we've always done we need to build housing we need to provide shelter and services emergency assistance but we need to do more and in some cases we need to interrogate how we're doing things and do them differently almost two years ago United Way was asked by Community leaders to spearhead the implementation of a home for all this plan led by Jee woods and Kathy bassant was created with input from over 250 community members nonprofit and corporate leaders city and county representatives and those with lived experience of housing insecurity and homelessness the plan is perhaps the first in the country that recognizes the need to both prevent housing insecurity and deal with the needs of those experienced ing homelessness today it is comprehensive it is complex and it is a beautiful plan United Way was tapped in large part to build the public private partnership that's going to be required to make this successful but there are two things that we need to make that happen the first is to be empowered and trusted as the lead organization with this heavy and awesome but wonderful responsibility for our community and to have the necessary resources to implement it it is not our intent to replace the support that is already going to our critical nonprofit Partners but we were asked to do this because there needs to be an organization charged with spearheading the whole thing we need to be able to identify things that will achieve different kind of results ensure the funds are raised and deployed effectively and track and report on outcomes right now there's nobody charged with that for the whole system of Housing and homelessness services if we do not have the city and county support financially we can't be successful that's the bottom line United Way will not be able to privately fund raise nor can we hold ourselves and others accountable for the outcomes currently we have about 10 million outstanding and private request almost all of those donors have told us they are waiting to make a decision to see what the city and the county do they want to see meaningful investments from local government before they make a decision I I know you have many compe competing priorities I'm a Charlotte native I've watched the city grow by Leaps and Bounds and sometimes can't even remember what it was before but we have an opportunity here not only to make a meaningful difference for our city and for the people experiencing these issues but we have an opportunity to stand as an example to almost every other city in the country that's facing the exact same problems Charlotte is still small enough Nimble enough Scrappy enough and determined enough to make this happen so so I please respectfully ask that you consider our request you help put United Way in that lead role and that together we will get greater outcomes than we could doing this individually thank you so that is the conclusion of our formal presentation and ready to answer any questions thank you just real quick did you two have anything to add I think we're question okay got it all right I just want to acknowledge council member Graham joining us today um and we will start with questions ice chair thank you madam chair so thank you for the clarification CU I think there was some confusion when I've spoken with both representatives of United Way as well as some of our other partners that we have been working with for a number of years as far as who identified United Way as the lead organization and you said it was led by Jean woods and Kathy bassant the community conversation and it was from that small group that it was identified I mean it was 250 stakeholders that weighed in on the plan we were approached at the end of that Planning by Center City Partners the county and corporate leaders asking us to lead this so C Center City partners and corporate leaders and the county and the county and I also had conversations with city leaders to see if we would be supported if we took on this role okay Sean you mentioned the hearts for invisible we did fund them and the county funded them cuz I'm looking on their website and they have no mention of the city order County being listed as a partner or a funer government is is not listed on their website as a fun but I'm also wondering for for me it would be helpful to know when I'm looking at any organization that we fund and it when you click on the who we are to know who that board is that is not something that's easily seen here on this website that gives me concern cuz for and I'm only going to speak for me if a organization is going to be creating and using dollars to help the diversity of our community I want to see that that board is diverse because if that board isn't diverse that gives me concern regarding you really addressing the needs of the community on the ground because there are some very specific needs that are out there when we're looking at and you clarified it a little bit on the impact of the current state practices and Norms so we all know that crisis Assistance Ministries has been doing their work for a number of years you're saying that this additional request of $2 million that if we were to move forward with a home for all that $2 million is going to a home for all for them to then distribute so let me start and then I'll ask Katherine Laura to to weigh in so if we were to move forward with this then the money would really be a collection of funders not just the city so the county is also evaluating a similar funding request here and an organization would be identified in the United Way would really administer the process with participation from funders like the city so this wouldn't be something that we would not be involved in an entity that could really just like we did for the rant program a collectively identified dream key as an administrative partner there would need to be an administrative partner for this organizations like Crisis and other organizations would likely or or would have the opportunity to step forward to be that partner but um one council member mentioned at the last meeting that they they like the competitive process and these would still be competitive processes to identify administrative Partners to but it would be managed through United Way United Way would would kind of administer the process with a Review Committee making the selection decision that would include representation from the funders such as the city of Charlotte yeah so although as and I'm just using crisis assistance ministry as an example CU we have them listed so under this new new model a crisis assistance that have had individuals come in needing a additional funding All Things Great they've identified a unit they're looking to move in they will be able to go through crisis assistance as the in okay let me rephrase it I'm trying to figure out where does the actual Community member who needs these Services Go versus what is the plan plan of this how does that person who needs assistance where do they go and what is the expectation for them sure I'm going to ask Catherine to to weigh in but one one clarification I would make as I hand it off is these would be scenarios where individuals are housed and in need of assistance emergency rental assistance utility assistance not individuals that are that are homeless so I just want to make sure that that was clear so for this 2 million for the Emergency rental assistance these are individuals who are currently have a unit yeah but may be facing eviction from that unit yes that's yes but you're possibly facing eviction from that unit for non-payment could be yeah could be okay so and please jump in oana the conditions under which United Way would ask to receive funding from City County and private donors and then grant that funding out to um an identified partner agency would be when there's an innovation that we're trying to introduce so change the way that agencies are working so it wouldn't be somebody just doing business as usual so it would be an innovation and then because there an innovation we want to be very intentional about the evaluation of that Innovation because I would like to be able to come back to you and tell you it worked or we had to fine-tune it because these are the things we learned and it's going to be stronger because of it and if we don't hold that money and get information from the from all get information that was about what was achieved with that braided public and private set of dollars then we are not going to be able to play that role as a valuator of holding agencies accountable so that's kind of there are unique conditions under which we would ask that we hold the money and other when those conditions don't apply it didn't need to come through United Way or wouldn't need to in answer to your specific question United Way is not nor will we ever be a direct service provider right so our what we would intend is to run a a competitive application and then agencies would be invited to apply who are willing to work in this new Innovative way and then a grants committee that could and we would expect would include representatives from the city um elected staff or appointed members that that you community members that you want to see on there that committee would then select the service the partner agency to implement the Innovation and so the direct answer to your question of where would I go as a community member to look for help I would go to whatever agency is selected through that grants process so Sean help clarify for me the purpose of a home for wall would do exactly what based on what we already have because we already have agencies that apply direct to the city for funding for them to then go out and distribute the funding as needed based on the requests that come through their offices they're already calling each other when there's a need if they don't have direct access so help me understand again the idea of housing this in one particular location just for people to have another application process that they have to go through but now the application process is for the organization I think it it would only because what's being contemplated here is different than what's currently available in the marketplace so we would be asking the administrative partner to design something that that's different than what's available currently and it could be some combination of providing more financial assistance than than is generally currently available in the marketplace because right now it's almost like an emergency room environment with emergency rental assistance where they may be able through crisis and other agencies to Cobble together something that can just barely get them by um but then next month or the month after they're in the same position again so because the notion here is that we have finite resources as a Community available for this sort of thing unlike this with the stimulus dollars how could we be more purposeful with those dollars maybe providing more financial support to help them get financially stabilized but then also a higher dosage of Supportive Services that can help prevent them from getting back in that position in the future when they're on the cusp of homeless potential eviction again and whichever agency partner selected they would be the one that an individual in the community would contact Andor there could be a model here if we have the right kind of data where we could potentially theoretically even even Target households um you know there's there's still more details to to be worked out on this for sure but we but we wouldn't be introducing something that's identical for to what's currently in the marketplace today so excuse me who exactly will be funding or administering the additional wraparound Services cuz using the example that you a which one of the challenges that I'm seeing is multif family for example that the city has funded to help address some of our need their model has a 3% increase in it we are having individuals today that are now being priced out of those homes in less than three years and they're having to come right back through the system so who is is in charge of the funds slash the administration to get them connected to our jobs training program whatever it is to help them be able to sustain this 3% increase that's coming every year so maybe we'll tag team again I would start and just say that let's just pick a theoretical example where crisis were decide to decide to step forward based on how this competitive process were laid out and they may decide that well with this level of funding um they could then provide additional financial support for a particular household but then they already have case managers right I mean crisis is doing an element of this today right but might they with this sort of a program and this kind of funding capacity be able to expand that uh for it to be more robust um so it really depends on which partner um would step forward and be selected and what they already have in place and how much of it they have to build or or grow or whatever the case may be but I think the expectation is that whoever we pick would be able to provide those kind of services because the whole point is we want to try to stabil ize individuals and families before they become homeless or before they have that eviction order right because things are already so far down a path once you have the eviction order what we saw during Co is that if we can get upstream and we have a few more months to stabilize that family that individual put those wraparound services in place then they're less likely to fall into homelessness right so my expectation would be whoever we choose whether it's crisis or any part of the requirement is going to be they've got to be able to put that navigation those case management whatever you want to call it those services in place so currently we're saying that's not happening I think right now this will be one of those Innovation things that you're talking about yes because I think for some council members the expectation a long time ago is that that was happening but we're seeing that it has not actually been happening in a way where we're able to track it and uh Innovation could be being able to actually put the numbers and the metrics with it to ensure that this is happening yes I think it has happened in a limited way I think most emergency fin cial assistance is tied to having the eviction order in your hand if we can get ahead of that right then it's much easier to fix it there than after somebody's living out of their car with two kids exactly so Sean another question for clarification when we're talking about looking at slide six the property provider recruitment planning do we have a rental dollar amount or a size of unit that we're targeting cuz rents are all over the place so I can say that my rent for a three B and one La is 2,800 a month what the individual may be able to pay is 500 so it's the expectation that our dollars are going to cover whatever that difference is or do we have a actual matric on how much of government assistance and the expectation of here are the things that you need to be doing to help when you off of government assistance cuz we have individuals out there that have been receiving subsidies or access to subsidies for over 20 years so there's a disconnect there yeah this would I mean housing Choice vouchers are probably exhibit a here and and if you think about the payment standards for housing Choice vouchers as an example these would have to be units that would be accessible to someone with a housing Choice voucher or other s other some other form of a rental subsidy I mean that that's the only way that this model Works they have to be affordable and accessible but what is the amount in the housing Choice voucher do we know that I don't have a specific number I mean and living in publishes very specific rates for you know their FA has the fair market rents and then living has specific pay payment standards which can vary a little bit if it's an area of high opportunity the payment standard can be a little bit higher so we're using an Livi dumper I'm just using that as as maybe the most common type of rental subsidy in the marketplace yes so I was going to add with the housing Choice vouchers it's going to depend on the family size right and so that's going to depend on how much it is going to be but part of what we can use some of this incentive funds to be for is that Gap fundings and so say someone has a voucher that's $1,500 but the unit that they're looking at is $1,800 then it could be that $300 difference that's being utilized but we want to ensure that it's not these outrageous rage that we don't have providers or landlords who are utilizing this program to benefit them and discredit what we're able to do here we want the funds to be able to stretch as far as possible and so that is something that we'll explore to make sure it's not being abused so that would be something that I think will be helpful to be brought back to council is we can say what's an outrageous amount but my amount that I might be thinking is not necessarily the amount of what's out there cuz again just doing a simple search on what's for rent out there now versus size of unit and the cost of it what I don't want to do is set us up where tax dollars are being used where it's more than $800 or $800 or more that's covering the Gap cuz that's a considerable gap for that individual and the chances of them getting to a financial place within a year or two years where they can cover that on their own or stay at that 30% or below would be very challenging so I want to make sure that the numbers if we're talking about going to Providers I want to make sure is very clear that this isn't a blank check for you to bring someone in and you just get to arbitrarily come up with some number that really isn't realistic right and so there'll be guidelines and things in terms that will they will have to abide by in order to participate in the program again to ensure that there's not abuse that's information that will have to come before us as we move forward so that we are all on the same page cuz again what I'm seeing in community and a number of conversations and emails that I've had just in this last year and a half have dealt with IND individuals that we have helped under our guise of providing assistance and those individuals are back to square one if not in a worse financial position because they did not they were not able to secure a change in their socioeconomic status to help them move forward and this we're in this hamster whe so I'm trying to hear how this would help us get off that h the will into something that is more sustainable thank you madam chair thank you Vice chair mme thank you Madame chairwoman first let me thank Mr Heath for addressing some of our questions and concerns um I do see there is um also a definition that I had requested uh dollar stretch to 40 times uh what does the success look like what are the outcomes that you're expecting out of this we have a robust outcome metric framework that we're using and Katherine and osana can talk more about that I think just high level we're looking for fewer homeless people on the streets and we're looking for more housing to be built and more people to be stably housed and there will be all kinds of metrics in between all of that but at the end of the day I think that's what we're all looking for so so I think um what we would like to see I know this is early in the process Laura and I've worked with you in the past when I was on the Housing Authority board now it's call in livian when you were over at Renaissance West um what I would like to see some sort of performance measures right uh so that we have something to report to our community that this is how we have effectively used tax dollars to leverage private money and this is the number of units that we are trying to either bring into the system build preserve this is how many people that will be having roof over their head so having those clear objectives and goals would be important um and I think that is a completely reasonable request what I would ask Council to remember is that a lot of what we're talking about today are pilot programs so what we going toally aied is not what we think the totality of but we also want to careful to not overpromise until those Pilots get underway but completely agree that we need to have the metrics out there I I completely agree 100% um I think we got to have some sort of goal for the uh pilot and then obviously longer term so shortterm midterm long-term goals um and um I do agree with uh one point that was mentioned by my colleague council member Mayfield uh Council does need to be made aware of how you go about identifying our partners your partners and um and performance measures for each one of those Partners how do we hold everyone accountable to cuz we all should be working towards one goal is to address homelessness having uh uh less or eliminate homelessness as much as we can um and having more housing providers participate in the program and ensuring that we are leveraging private money and you've hit on a really but there's other small organizations that are doing it as well so I want to make sure that as we're having this conversation and talking about funding that we have a very clear and transparent process process so it's not just the who's who of the city that gets access and that's actually presented to councel go ahead counc M Johnson oh thank you madam chair um and thank you for the presentation hold on I'm trying to turn the camera I'm sorry okay thank you for the presentation I just had a a few questions um the 500,000 recruit uh the $500,000 if we were just going to provide ride subsidy or additional vouchers or something if that would go directly and then I have some other questions yeah so I'll take that question uh the bulk of it will go to incentive funds but I do want to point out that a portion of it would go to staff some compliance staff some staff that's dedicated with uh real estate background and doing recruitment but the bulk of it would go to incentives and so some of the incentives could I also wanted to clarify something you said you were talking about the emergency assistance um and I wanted to understand what you were saying emergency assistance before the eviction or what's going to change yeah so sometimes I'll just give you an example sometimes we have people show up at United Way so we're not a direct service provider they've already been everywhere they know to go and they say I lost my job like like one thing we know an eviction is to black women with criminal record is to black men so if there's something that we could do Upstream that would be phenomenal that would be uh groundbreaking yes we agree wholeheartedly okay all the questions I have thank an excellent idea because it will allow us to this council is that our willingness to do more financially to partner with the county uh to do more and those private dollars are sitting out there waiting um for for the city and the county to um acknowledge their financial commitment to this problem and so I I woulde do more but I also wrote um La is right and if we don't nip this thing in the butt before it gets worse and it's getting bad now um um we will we will regret it and having someone quarterbacking this for us uh and being an honest broker uh and utilizing some of the um methodology share with us yet G it so obviously there is a lot more information that will come in front of us as part of our future RCA process uh a couple of uh weeks ago Sean you had presented a slide that had a line by line item of what I think that's what we need so rather than it's the other way around so locked into very specific numbers for very specific initiatives what was important to me as we endeavored upon this was to be honest with the community that this is a big deal and it's going to cost a lot of money and United Way has taken a lot on by saying we're going to lead the implementation of it the nitty-gritty of whether it ends up being 300 or 320 or we raise 40 [Laughter] or we are we are trying to make the case for fy2 the city although I started the conversation of a $100 million when I first came back I already had idea and it was not this of where that 100 million would go because we have some very specific needs for disclosure and transparency my colleagues already know I'm more concerned about the residents who are here in Charlotte who have lived in Charlotte and who are being displaced in Charlotte but with no family no job no resources looking for our opportunity take care of it at some point government's going to come in we going to put money into it with a hope and we don't lock you in and say okay well for 3 years you can't raise the rent on on these tenants for 5 years you can't raise the rent on these tenants we're saying we're going to give you this money with the hostes but we're not tracking those individuals who are actually getting into these units and it's a few it's a small number that's getting so I think it's going to cost and present that if I might um council member watlington you did ask us to help you understand what's the Innovation for each of these initiatives I would ask that you give us an opportunity to do that specifically for all of them and then help illuminate what's different about the approach we're taking to property provider forward with today and if so would like to I'm I'm willing to open to entertain a motion I think right before that though council member Brown had something to follow I'm I'm um I'm on board um with what uh council member um Mayfield said as far as she's concerned about the people and that Charlotte City but don't we want no we don't not in it l yes are you okay if we do agenda item three cuz that one could be accomplished in a very short period of time I am okay great Warren woten housing your neighborhood Serv contributed to us chair committee I will go very quickly I know you have a packed uh evening uh tonight we have uh a new Noah support request to bring forward for you uh this project is a little bit the rents on those 72 uh 30% units started around 400 a month for those individuals you can go ahead and go to the next slide so the full the full acquisition renovation cost on this project was $40 million um and we're keen in two things that we've talked about during your your local dollars can go farther and also just the understanding that we talked about several times that housing is a regional uh issue and requires Regional Solutions so the request here is for uh a million dollars from City haa dollars haa funding and and it will be used for uh the standard types of Renovations that we do on on these projects so roof Replacements sighting Replacements as a need we have dollars for it and in particular we get the dollars for 11 counties so when we talk about how do we really leverage our funds to get affordable housing that meets a specific need all across the region I just think think this is incredible so I look forward to supporting it when it comes before us as well thank you and I believe that's it for us today thank y'all