[ RECITING PLEDGE IN SPANISH ]. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: CIVIC PARKING PASSES ARE PROVIDED FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. YOU CAN TAB -- MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND CITY STAFF AND INMEDIA HAVE THE ABILITY VIEW THIS MEANING IN PERSON AND LIVE STREAMS THROUGH FOUR PLATFORMS. GOVTV, CHANNEL 16, GOVTV WEBSITE, YOUTUBE AND ZOOM. THE LIVE STREAMS CAN BE ACCESSED FROM THE SMART PHONES, TABLETS AND COMPUTERS. ALSO THIS MEETING IS CLOSED CAPTIONED, YOU MAY ENABLE THE SERVICES ON YOUR TELEVISION OR DEVICE AT THIS TIME. THE RECORDING OF THIS AND ALL PAST COUNCIL MEETING MEETINGS WILL REMAIN VIEWABLE FOR VIEW ONG THE CITY COUNCIL WEBSITE. STAFF IS AVAILABLE IF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC NEED ASSISTANCE FINDING THE VIDEOS ONLINE. CALL 505-768-3100 FOR ASSISTANCE DURING BUSINESS HOURS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. THE COUNCIL WILL TAKE A BREAK AT 7 P.M. IF NEEDED. WITH REGARD TO DECORUM, WE WANT TONIGHT'S PROCEEDINGS TO BE AS CIVIL AND RESPECTFUL AS POSSIBLE. NO PERSONAL ATTACKS AND NO APPLAUSE OR SNAPPING OR OUTBURS DURING THE MEETING. THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT WILL PROVIDE ONE WARNING TO ANYONE CAUSING A DISTURBANCE, UPON A SECOND OR CONTINUED DISRUPTION THAT INDIVIDUAL WILL BE ASKED TO LEAVE THE CHAMBERS AND IF NECESSARY SECURITY WILL ASK THE PERSON OUT OF THE CAMEBERS. SUCH REMOVAL WILL BE EFFECTIVE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE MEETING. IF CONTINUED DISRUPTIONS OCCUR, THE COUNCIL WILL RECESS MEETING UNTIL ORDER IS RESTORED AND MAY CLEAR CHAMBERS OF PERSONS PARTICIPATING IN THE DISTURBANCE. THIS MEETING WILL GO SMOOTHER IF WE'RE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER. AT THIS TIME, WE'LL START QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD IN COORDINATION WITH THE ADMINISTRATION DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS WILL BE PRESENT FROM 5:05 TO 5:30 TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. TO ENSURE ALL COUNCILORS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE, I ASK QUESTIONS BE LIMITED TO ONE DIRECTOR SO ALL COUNCILORS WISHING TO ASK QUESTIONS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. AFTER 5:30, QUESTIONS MAY BE DIRECTED TO THE ADMINISTRATION. AT THIS TIME, DOES ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR OR ADMINISTRATION? SEEING NONE. I WILL MOVE TO PROCLAMATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS. I BELIEVE WE WANT -- OR DO WE WANT TO GO TO OTHER BUSINESS? MADAM PRESIDENT, WE'RE ON TO OTHER BUSINESS. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. WE'RE ON OTHER BUSINESS. I MOVE TO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS MATTERS RELATED TO 10-15-H7 PERTAINING TO LITIGATION IN MAYOR TIM KELLER VERSUS ALBUQUERQUE CITY COUNCIL. WE'LL NEED A ROLL CALL VOTE. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. TELLES: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. [ EXECUTIVE SESSION RECESS ]. >>COUN. PEÑA: -- IN THE MOTION FOR CLOSURE. WE'RE ON ITEM THREE. PROCLAMATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS. VICE PRESIDENT. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. TONIGHT'S FIRST PRESENTATION IS FROM INTERIM CHIEF BARKER WITH THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHO WILL PROVIDE INFORMATION ON THE PUBLIC SERVICE AID PROGRAM, PSA PROGRAM, THEY HAVE. INTERIM CHIEF. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT ON OUR POLICE SERVICE AID PROGRAM. I'M REALLY EXCIDED TO TELL THE GROUP ABOUT THE GREAT WORK WE HAVE OUR PSAs DOING AND THE ASSET THEY ARE TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. I'M GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WORKS PROPERLY. AARON, DO YOU WANT TO RUN THIS SO I CAN FOCUS ON THIS? THANK YOU. OUR POLICE SERVICE AIDS ARE NON-SWORN PERSONNEL, AND WE EMPHASIZE THE FACT THEY DO NOT REPLACE SWORN BUT SUPPORT THEM. NEXT SLIDE. THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE THEY RESPOND TO NON-EMERGENCY AND DELAYED CALLS FOR SERVICE. MOST OF THOSE ARE WHEN THERE'S NO OFFENDER INFORMATION TO FOLLOW UP ON. THE RESPOND TO TRAFFIC CONTROL AND CRASH SCENE ASSISTANCE. THEY DO PAPERWORK, AND OTHER PAPERWORK FOR OFFICERS ON SCENE. AND THEY ALSO ASSIST WITH ADMINISTRATIVE WORK AT SUBSTATIONS SO THAT MIGHT INCLUDE TAKING INTEROFFICE MEMORANDUMS OR FROM THE POLICE SUBSTATION. THEY DO EVIDENCE TRANSPORT AND PROPERTY RELATED DUTIES AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND PUBLIC ASSISTANCE. THAT MIGHT BE ANYTHING FROM DRESSING UP AS McGRUFF AND TAKING ANY TYPE OF PROPERTY TO THE EVENTS WE HAVE. THEY ALSO ASSIST WITH TRANSPORT AFTER LIKE A CRASH OR IF THERE'S A TRAFFIC HAZARD THEY CAN ASSIST WITH THAT AS WELL. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AS FAR AS CALLS FOR SERVICE, THEY RESPOND TO TRAFFIC CRASHES, TRAFFIC HAZARDS, OTHER REALLY HUGE VISIBILITY WE'VE USED RECENTLY ON MAJOR THOROUGHFARES WE HAVE THEM PARK IN THE MEDIANS AND TURN LIGHTS ON WHEN WE TRAFFIC OFFICERS ENFORCING. WE DO TRAIN THEM TO DISENGAGE. IF THEY'RE AT A LOCATION AND SOMEONE STARTS TO BE DISRUPTIVE WITH THEM, WE TRAIN THEM TO EXIT THE AREA AND GET A HOLD OF AN OFFICER. THEY REPLACE WHAT WE USED TO HAVE WHICH WAS PROPERTY CRIMES REPORTING TECHNICIAN. WE HAVE THEM IN ADDITION TO PSA. THEY TAKE ON LOT OF DUTIES. NEXT SLIDE. IF WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR CURRENT STAFFING LEVELS, WE HAVE 92PSAs. AND THAT SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED SINCE 2017 WHEN WE HAD 30. WE STRATEGICALLY ASSIGNED THESE ACROSS ALL BUREAUS. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE BREAK DOWN OF MOST OF OUR PSAs, 51 ARE IN THE FIELD SERVICES BUREAU THAT'S BECAUSE UNIFORM PATROL UTILIZES THEM MOST OFTEN. WE DO HAVE FIVE IN INVESTIGATION BUREAU, 24 IN SPECIAL OPERATIONS. THAT INCLUDES OUR TRAFFIC DIVISION WHICH IS GOING TO BE OUR MOTOR UNITS. THEY'RE ASSISTING THEM WITH THE TRAFFIC CRASHES. OUR SUPPORT SERVICES BUREAU HAS FIVE, REAL TIME CRIME CENTER, THEY ASSIST IN PLACING CAMERA TRAILERS OUT AND DIFFERENT OPERATIONS FOR THEM. AND THE OFFICE OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE. THAT'S GOING TO BE FOR OPERATIONS REVIEW SECTION. AND THEY'RE PERFORMING ADMINISTRATIVE DUTIES. AS FAR AS TRAINING, I HAVE THAT LISTED AS WELL. I KNOW YOU WANTED ME TO KEEP IT BRIEF. THEY DO GO THROUGH REPORT WRITING. THEY HAVE A LAW BLOCK WHERE THEY LEARN HOW TO TESTIFY AT TRIALS. AND THEN, LIKE THIS NEXT WEEK, IF WE HAVE CONCERNS OR COMPLAINTS THAT COME IN FROM THE COMMUNITY, WE REALLY FOCUS ON PUTTING THAT TRAINING TO THEM. THIS NEXT WEEK WE'RE GOING TO BE REALITY BASED TRAINING MUCH LIKE OUR OFFICERS DO. WE HAVE LISTED HERE, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THE VALUE TO APD AS A LOT OF PSA BECOME POLICE OFFICERS. SO LAST YEAR IN 2025, WE HAD 24PSAs WHO WENT TO BECOME A POLICE OFFICER. 2024, 10, AND IN 2023 WE HAD EIGHT. IT'S REALLY A VERY IMPORTANT PROGRAM WE HAVE. WE HAVE THESE YOUNG WOMEN AND MEN WHO COME AND WORK WITH OUR DEPARTMENT. THEY LEARNED WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE. AND WE REALLY ENCOURAGE THEM TO EITHER JOIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR WE HAVE SEEN THEM JOIN OTHER CITY AGENCIES AS WELL. I'LL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >>COUN. PEÑA: MR. VICE PRESIDENT. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES, MADAM PRESIDENT. THANK YOU, CHIEF, FOR PRESENTATION. REQUESTED THIS PRESENTATION FOR ONE REASON. A LOT OF CONSTITUENTS REACHED OUT TO ME SAYING THEY SEE LOT OF POLICE SERVICE AIDS AND NOT POLICE OFFICERS. THEY WEREN'T TOO SURE WHAT IT WAS. I GAVE THEM A BRIEF OF WHAT I REMEMBER IT BEING. KNOWING IT'S 92 AND NOT THE 30 I REMEMBER. MY BIGGEST CONCERN AND WHAT THEY ASKED IS WHAT IS THE PROGRAM EXPANDED TO. AFTER YOUR BRIEFING, YOU'RE SHOWING IT'S NOT JUST ACCIDENTS, IT'S ACCIDENTS WITH INJURY, CRIME SCENE, SECURITY AND PERIMETER AND STUFF LIKE THAT. ALSO, DID YOU SAY IN THERE RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL BURGLARIES OR -- >> THEY CAN TAKE BOTH. IF THE CALL HAS BEEN HOLDING AND THERE'S NOT AN OFFENDER THERE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: IS THERE A SET TIME THEY -- >> THERE'S NOT A SET TIME. BUT IT'S REALLY BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT COMES INTO DISPATCH AND BETWEEN THEM AND THE SUPERVISOR THEY MAKE THAT CALL. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THE REASON I ASK THAT IS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SWORN. THEY'RE NOT ARMED. IT'S FUNNY WHEN YOU SAY THE KIDS, THE YOUNG ADULTS FOR THIS -- IT'S AMAZING WHEN YOU TURN 20 YOU'RE STILL A KID. BUT 21 ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE AN OFFICER. BUT IT COMES TO TRAINING AND WHAT THEY'RE EXPOSED TO. I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT THE PROGRAM IS BOLSTERING. I LIKE TO SEE THE RETENTION GOING ON TO BECOMING A POLICE OFFICER. IT'S AMAZING. IF I WOULD HAVE STARTED AT 18, I COULD HAVE BEEN DONE AT 38. A LOT OF PEOPLE WHEN I TRY TO EXPLAIN THE PROGRAM, A LOT OF CITIZENS ARE CONCERNED WE MIGHT BE PLACING THESE UNARMED PEOPLE IN SOME SORT OF DANGER. I WANTED TO ENSURE THAT WASN'T THE CASE. THEY ARE STILL LIMITED TO WHAT THEY CAN DO. >> YES, MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, THAT IS SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT TO OUR DEPARTMENT. WE TRAIN THEM FOR SPECIFICALLY. THEY GO THROUGH DE-ESCALATION TRAINING AND IF THEY'RE MAKING CONTACT WITH AN INDIVIDUAL WHO BECOMES DISRUPTIVE, LIKE I SAID, OR STARTS MAKING THREATS THEY'RE TRAINED TO WALK AWAY AND CALL FOR IMMEDIATE ASSISTANCE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MADAM PRESIDENT, LAST QUESTION. WHERE DO YOU SEE THE PROGRAM GOING? YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY EXPANDED IT FROM WHAT IT WAS IN 2017 TO INCLUDE CERTAIN CALLS. WHAT OTHER CALLS OR TYPE OF CALLS DO YOU SEEM -- SEE THEM GOING TO? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I THINK IT'S GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT AVENUES THAT WE CAN LOOK AT. ULTIMATELY, IT COMES DOWN TO WHAT'S SAFE FOR THE PERSONNEL. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: WE'RE NOW ON TO COUNCILOR GROUT WITH THE NEXT PRESENTATION. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM DIRECTOR SIMON FROM PARKS AND REC. AND OPEN SPACE DIRECTOR McROBERTS. THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE INFORMATION ON THE TIJERAS BIO ZONE OPEN SPACE. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILORS. THE COUNCIL ASKED FOR A LITTLE INFORMATION ABOUT THE ARROYO BIO ZONE. THE TIJERAS AROW E -- ARROYOS ARE A MAJOR HISTORICAL AND CULTURAL ZONE THAT CONNECTS ALBUQUERQUE TO THE EAST MOUNTAINS AND TO THE GRASSLANDS OF THE GREAT PLAINS FURTHER EAST. VERY IMPORTANT TO THE CITY AND REGION. THAT'S BEEN DEMONSTRATED. WE HAVE A RESOURCE MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT COUNCIL APPROVED. AND IN 2026 THE COUNCIL AUTHORIZED AND DIRECTED US TO GO AND PROTECT MORE LAND IN THE TIJ ARROYO ZONE. SINCE THEN WE'VE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS. THE MOST IMPORTANT SECTIONS ABOUT A FOUR-MILE SECTION OUTLINED IN BLACK IN THE SLIDE. WE'VE MADE RECENT ACQUISITIONS. WE CO-MANAGE THE LAND GRANT SITE WITH LAND GRANT ITSELF. WE BOUGHT 145-ACRE PROPERTY AND ADDED THAT TO THE OPEN SPACE NETWORK. MOST RECENTLY WE BOUGHT A 25-ACRE SITE OUTLINED IN LIGHTER GREEN WHICH IS THE SITE FOR THE FUTURE SITE OF EDUCATION CENTER. CHOLINE WILL TALK ABOUT A TRAIL THAT COUNCILOR GROUT WANTED YOU TO LEARN ABOUT AT THAT PROPERTY. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF PROGRESS OVER THE LAST YEAR. WE COMPLETED A BIG NEW TRAILHEAD CALLED THE ROUTE 66 TRAILHEAD WHICH OPPOSE ACCESS TO THE WHOLE AREA. WE'VE ALSO INSTALLED THE INTERPRETIVE SIGNS AT SIX LOCATIONS ALONG THE CULTURAL CORRIDOR. AND WE OWN 800 ACRES IN THE MONZANO AND FOUR HILLS AREA. WE'VE MADE LOT OF PROGRESS ON THE SITE PLAN FOR EDUCATION. AND AT THE EDUCATION SITE, WE'VE BUILT AN ADA ACCESSIBLE SENSORY TRAIL WHICH IS UNIQUE AND PRETTY COOL. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILORS. THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE ABOUT THIS SPECIAL PROJECT. THIS TRAIL PROJECT WAS INSPIRED BY A PRIOR EFFORT WITH OUR PARTNERS WHO WERE TRYING TO GET KIDS WITH DISABILITIES AND MEDICALLY COMPLEX CHILDREN AND THEIR FAMILIES OUTDOORS IN NATURE AND THEY'RE FINDING A LOT OF BARRIERS. THEY HAD THIS IDEA, WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT IF WE COULD DEVELOP A TRAIL WITH THIS AUDIENCE IN MIND AND WITH THEIR INPUT? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED. WE HAD MANY WONDERFUL PARTNERS INCLUDING NATURE MATTERS ACADEMY, WATER CONSERVATION, DISTRICT PLANNING COLLABORATIVE AND OPEN SPACE. WE'RE ABLE TO SECURE A GRANT THROUGH THE WATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT AND TRAIL REQUEST GRANT FOR HALF A MILLION. THE CITY WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE THE MATCHING DOLLARS FOR THAT. IT'S $400,000. WE CREATED THIS ONE OF A KIND TRAIL. YOU CAN SEE THROUGH THE MAP THAT IT INCLUDES DIFFERENT SENSES AND IT HAS DIFFERENT CHALLENGES. IT FOLLOWS THE GEM FRAMEWORK AND EACH OF THE SIGNS THAT ARE ALONG THE TRAIL ARE GEARED FOR DIFFERENT LEARNING ABILITIES. THEY FEATURE BRAILLE. THEY'RE IN SPANISH AND ENGLISH. THEY HAVE AUDIO RECORDING AS WELL AS TEACH SIGN LANGUAGE. REALLY PRETTY AMAZING. ALONG THE TRAIL ARE THESE DIFFERENT NODES. THEY INCLUDE DIFFERENT INFORMATION AND EXPERIENCES, ACTIVITY STATIONS, ELEVATED CHALLENGES, EACH OF THE ACTIVITY STATIONS HAVE THREE OF THOSE SIGNS THAT HAVE THAT GEM FRAMEWORK. AND THEY FEATURE A DIFFERENT ANIMAL WHO HAS A SUPER SENSE. FOR EXAMPLE IT TALKS ABOUT A BEAR AND IT CAN SMELL MILES AWAY BECAUSE OF THE NOSE. AND IT TALKS ABOUT WHAT IS THE CONNECTION TO OUR SENSE OF SMELL. WE'RE REALLY CONNECTING KIDS WITH DIFFERENT ABILITIES AND THEIR SENSES AND MAYBE WHERE THEY'RE LACKING AND HEIGHTENED TO THAT ANIMAL. ALSO THERE'S DIFFERENT ELEVATED CHALLENGES. IT RECOGNIZES THAT PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES ALL HAVE DIFFERENT ABILITIES AND WE'RE TRYING TO GEAR A TRAIL, NOT LIKE A TRADITIONAL ADA TRAIL THAT IS HARD PARK SURFACE, BUT HAVE DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES IN NATURE. THERE'S A BOLDER, LOG PATH, A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF EXPERIENCES. YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE USING THE TRAIL THERE, IT'S BEEN REALLY WONDERFUL. I JUST WANT TO APPLAUD THE CITY FOR HAVING PRIORITIZED OPEN SPACE. AND REALLY TRYING TO MAKE IT ACABLE TO ALL PEOPLE. THIS IS A ONE OF A KIND TRAIL. WE HOPE THAT WILL BE THE CASE IN THE FUTURE. WE HOPE THIS WILL BE A MODEL ACROSS THE STATE. AND WE'LL SEE MORE TRAILS LIKE THIS BECAUSE OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO KICKOFF WITH THIS EXPERIENCE. AND WE'RE JUST DOING A TON OF OTHER THINGS. WE HAVE -- I'LL BRIEFLY SAY WE'RE DOING MAJOR CLEAN UP EPIEFFORTS. WE'VE DONE GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE. AND TRAIL WORK. WE'VE CONTRIBUTED OVER 4,000 VOLUNTEER HOURS AT THIS PROPERTY TO DO ALL THE AMAZING WORK SINCE WE'VE ACQUIRED IT IN 2021. THE WORK IS REALLY BEGINNING. THIS IS CHAPTER ONE. WE'RE ENGAGED IN A LONG-TERM STREAM RESTORATION PLAN. AND WE'RE DOING A SITE PLAN THAT WILL BUILD OFF THE TRAIL AND EXPAND AND CREATE A LOT OF UNIQUE FEATURES AND CREATE A ONE OF A KIND PROPERTY FOR THE CITY. SOMETHING WE SHOULD ALL BE PROUD OF. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU BOTH FOR PRESENTING TODAY. THIS IS VERY DEAR TO MY HEART. IT'S WONDERFUL TO SEE CHILDREN OF ALL ABILITIES OUT IN NATURE. THIS IS FIVE MINUTES FROM CENTRAL AND TRAMWAY. JUST A LITTLE BIT EAST. IT'S OPEN TO ANYBODY. AND IT'S UNIQUE. IT'S SPECIAL. AND IT'S OURS. IT'S FOR ALL OF US TO ENJOY. I'M SO GRATEFUL. I LOVE THE ENTHUSIASM YOU HAVE FOR IT. I CAN'T WAIT FOR IT TO BUILD OUT. TRULY, TRULY, LOTS OF PEOPLE DO ENJOY THE PLACE, THE SPACE. LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S SO MANY VOLUNTEERS THAT SEE THE VALUE THIS SPACE THAT'S CLOSE TO HOME, BRINGS TO OUR COMMUNITY. I THANK YOU. I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE IT EXPAND. AND I'M TEAM TIJERAS ARROYO BIO ZONE. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. NOW WE'RE ON TO OTHER BUSINESS. APPROVAL OF COMMITTEE APPOINTMENTS. I MOVE APPROVAL OF COMMITTEE APPOINTMENT DATED JANUARY 20, 2026. THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. DID YOU GET THAT? OKAY. THANK YOU. NEXT, WE'RE ON TO THE JOURNAL. I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE JANUARY 5th JOURNAL. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. KEEP YOUR HANDS UP FOR A MOMENT JUST SO SHE CAN TAKE COUNT. OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. THAT MOTION PASSES. DID YOU GET THE VOTE? NOW WE'RE ON TO COMMUNICATIONS AND INTRODUCTIONS. ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION? ON EC-13 I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR PLACING EC-13 ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA FOR ACTION. IT'S REQUEST APPROVAL OF SOCIAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES TO IMPLEMENT AND OPERATE THE HOUSING RESOURCE CENTER AND MOVE IN MENTOR PROGRAM. THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR BASSAN. WE'LL NEED TWO-THIRDS VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUS LE. NEXT WE HAVE EC-14 FOR ACTION. LASEMILLA PROJECT NEXT GEN RESOURCE MANAGEMENT INTERNSHIP PROGRAM CONTRACT. THERE'S A MOTION, AND A SECOND BY COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. WE NEED A TWO-THIRDS VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME MOTION. MOTION PASSES. NOW I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION PASSES. WE'RE NOW ON TO REPORTS OF COMMITTEE. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THE FINANCE AND DPUCHALITY GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS MEET MET ON MONDAY, JANUARY 12, AND REPORTS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS. IN THE MATTER OF EC-551 APPROVED. IN THE MATTER OF OC-1 RECEIPT BE NOTED. AND IN THE MATTER OF O104, O1, R-214, R-217 DO PASS. R-218 DO PASS AS AMENDED. AND IN THE MATTER OF O-5, IT FAILED. I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE COMMITTEE REPORTS. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I MAKE A MOTION TO REVIVE O-26-5 AND PLACE THIS ITEM ON THE FEBRUARY 2nd COUNCIL AGENDA FOR ACTION. IT'S AMENDING THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE TO ADD A SEPARATION REQUIREMENT FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL PERMITS. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: SECOND. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND BY COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. MOTION PASSES. WE'RE NOW ON TO COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THE LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING MET ON WEDNESDAY JANUARY 14, AND REPORTS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS. IN THE MATTER OF EC-459 RECEIPT BE NOTED. O-103 DO PASS AS SUBSTITUTED. I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE COMMITTEE REPORT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. MOTION PASSES. NEXT, WE'RE ON TO DEFERRALS AND WITHDRAWALS. ARE THERE ANY DEFERRALS OR WITHDRAWALS AT THIS TIME? SEEING NONE. WE'LL MOVE TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE CONSENT AGENDA? SEEING NONE. FOR THE INDIVIDUALS ON TONIGHT'S CONSENT AGENDA WHO ARE BEING APPOINTED TO SERVE ON A BOARD OR COMMISSION, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE. AND I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND BY COUNCILOR ROGERS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. MOTION PASSES, IT LOOKS LIKE, UNANIMOUSLY. WE'RE NOW ON TO FINANCIAL INSTRUMENTS. THERE ARE NONE THIS EVENING. DID I MISS SOMETHING? I'M SORRY. WE'RE -- NEXT ITEM IS ANNOUNCEMENTS. COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THERE WILL BE THREE INTERGOVERNMENTAL LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE MEETINGS ON SATURDAY, JANUARY 24th AT 10 A.M., WEDNESDAY JANUARY 28th AT 3:00 P.M., JANUARY 31st AT 3 P.M. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE WILL BE A LAND USE MEETING ON WEDNESDAY JAN 28th, AT 5 O'CLOCK IN THE VINCENT E. GRIEGO CHAMBERS. THIS WILL BE A HYBRID MEETING. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: I KNOW THIS IS ISN'T GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS, BUT WE DID SPONSOR THIS PROGRAM. IT IS A GEM OF ALBUQUERQUE, THERE WILL BE A BANDS OF INNANTMENT RED CARPET PREMIER SATURDAY, 31st, AT 7:00 P.M. IN THE KIMO. THIS IS FREE TO THE PUBLIC. DOORS OPEN AT 6:00 P.M. AND SCREENING STARTS AT 7:00 P.M. WE WOULD LOVE TO FILL THE KIMO. PLEASE JOIN US. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. AGAIN, FINANCIAL INSTRUMENTS, THERE ARE NONE. APPEALS, THERE ARE NONE. WE'RE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN PROVIDE LIVE PUBLIC COMMENT TO THE COUNCIL IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY IF THEY SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT PER THE INSTRUCTIONS PUBLISHED ON THE AGENDA AND OUR WEBSITE ON FRIDAY. HERE ARE THE PUBLIC COMMENT GROUND RULES. EACH PARTICIPANT HAS ONE MINUTE TO PRESENT. COMMENTS ARE TO BE ADDRESSED TO THE COUNCILORS ONLY THROUGH THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT. ANY DISRUPTIVE CONDUCT WILL RESULT IN REMOVAL FROM THE MEETING. AND THERE'S A ONE-MINUTE TIME LIMIT AND THE BELL WILL RING AND INDICATE WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP. PLEASE CALL THE FIRST SPEAKER. >> THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER. FIRST SPEAKSER LEX FOLLOWED BY BRICK. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, I'LL TRY TO SPEAK FAST. IT'S A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE POLICE SHOULD BE SIGNING THEIR OATH. IT'S NOT REALLY A QUESTION THAT NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED. IT'S WITHIN THE STATE'S CONSTITUTION AND THE U.S. CONSTITUTION. POLICE MUST SIGN THEIR OATH TO MAKE A SOLEMN PUBLIC COMMITMENT TO UPHOLD THE U.S. CONSTITUTION AND STATE LAWS AND DEPARTMENT'S ETHICS. ESTABLISHING A FOUNDATIONAL PROMISE OF INTEGRITY, ACCOUNTABILITY, AND IMPARTIAL SERVICE TO PROTECT THE COMMUNITY AND BUILD PUBLIC TRUST. MARKING THE OFFICIAL START OF THEIR SWORN OATH. IT'S NOT JUST THEY SIGNED THE OATH, IT'S THAT THEY HONOR THE OATH THAT THEY SIGN. I AM YET TO SEE ANY SIGNED OATHS OF OFFICE FROM ANY OF THE MUNICIPAL POLICE IN ALBUQUERQUE. THIS ACT WOULD LEGALLY AND MORALLY BIND THEM TO SERVE WITH HONOR, SAFEGUARDING RIGHTS AND PRIORITIZING COMMUNITY WELFARE ABOVE PERSONAL BIAS. >> BRICK FOLLOWED BY FRANCESCO. >> YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE AN ISSUE OF POLICY. FOR INSTANCE OF APD POLICY THAT OFFICERS HAVE TO SWEAR AN OATH. IT SAYS THAT THEY TAKE AN OATH UNDER THE POLICY. THE STATE CONSTITUTION ACTUALLY SAYS THAT IT MUST BE SUBSCRIBED. SUBSCRIBED MEANING SIGNED. THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IF YOU DON'T SUBSCRIBE IT. THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IF YOU DO. THIS IS OUR NEW COUNCILORS. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR TELLES, FOR SIGNING YOUR OATH. THE OFFICERS MUST SIGN THEIR OATH AS WELL. MAYBE I'M ACTING IN BAD KNOWLEDGE BECAUSE I KEEP BEING TOLD BY ETHAN WATSON THAT THEY'RE NOT. IF HE'S TELLING ME THAT, I HAVE TO ASSUME THAT'S TRUE, BUT MAYBE I'M WRONG. MAYBE HE'S MISTAKEN. HE TOLD ME MS. BARKER DOESN'T SIGN HER OATH. I JUST ASKED MS. BARKER, SHE SAID SHE SIGNED IT. I JUST ASKED HER. SIGN THE OATHS. >> FRANCESCO FOLLOWED BY ANAMI. >> ALBUQUERQUE CITY COUNCIL JUST MADE HISTORY WITH A FEMALE SUPER MAJORITY. THAT SHOULD COME WITH -- THANKS TO ALL THE GUYS AS WELL FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE WE THE PEOPLE. IF WE THE PEOPLE -- IF EVERYTHING WENT ACCORD TO PLAN, I SHOULD NOT BE STANDING BEFORE YOU. AS A SURVIVOR OF DOMESTIC TERRORISM AND ATTEMPTED MURDER, A RECENT HOMICIDE HITS ME REALLY HARD NOW. I COMMEND NEW MEXICO LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR THE SWIFT ARREST OF THOSE WHO MURDERED ALBERT PENA. PLEASE JOIN ME IN A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR JUSTICE TO BE DONE WHILE SENDING PRAYERS AND STRENGTH TO THE FAMILY AND FRIENDS OF MR. PENA AT THIS MOST DIFFICULT TIME. THANK YOU. >> ANAMI FOLLOWED BY SHANNON. >> HI, MADAM PRESIDENT, THIS IS MOSTLY TOWARD THE ADMINISTRATION. APD HASN'T REPORTED ON THE USE OF FORCE SINCE THE OCTOBER REPORT. I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LEADERSHIP CHANGE OVER THERE SO THAT'S PROBABLY WHY. BUT THAT'S TWO MONTHLY USE OF FORCE REPORTS THAT ARE MISSING AND HAVING THE DATA AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC DOES MAKE IT SIGNIFICANTLY -- A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF THE -- WHATEVER. YEAH COOL. THANKS. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I SEE OUR NEXT SPEAKER IN ZOOM. I'LL CONTINUE -- MR. VICE PRESIDENT, I'LL COME TO YOU, SHANNON, WHEN WE GET TO ZOOM. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS ALEXANDER FOLLOWED BY TAD. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, I'M A MACRO ECONOMICS PA AT UNM. I EARNING -- WITH MARKET EFFICIENCY MANDATING UP FRONT FEE DISCLOSURES AND LOWERS FRICTION. THIS LOWERS LANDLORDS WASTED RESOURCES FROM PROCESSING APPLICATIONS THAT WON'T CLOSE AND INCREASES OCCUPANCY RATES BY CORRECTING INFORMATION IN RENTAL HOUSING LABOR MOBILITY WILL INCREASE, AIDING LABOR SUPPLY WITHIN THE CITY. DOLLARS RENTERS SAVE ON FEES ARE MORE LIKELY TO STAY WITHIN THE CITY AIDING BOTH OTHER BUSINESSES IN THE CITY. AS A CONSTITUENT OF DISTRICT EIGHT, I URGE YOU TO VOTE YES ON THE BILL. THANK YOU. >> TAD FOLLOWED BY THOMAS. >> THANK YOU, MY NAME IS TAD. WELL, OLD SAYING THAT WHAT GOES AROUND COME BACK TO YOU AND BITES YOU. DON'T LOOK FOR RE-VENGE. I'M GLAD THAT MAYOR AND COUNCILOR PEÑA WON BY 68 POINTS. I WILL HAVE CHANCE TO PUT THEM ON THE FRONT OF THE JUDGE. I CAN SEE ALSO PENA DYNASTY COMING TO THE END. TAKE CARE OF NEIGHBORHOOD FROM HOMELESS PEOPLE NUISANCE, SHE'S BUSY RUNNING WITH BILLIONAIRES. THANK YOU. >> THOMAS FOLLOWED BY LISA. >> THAT'S ALWAYS REALLY FUN TO FOLLOW. I THINK IT'S REALLY INTERESTING THAT ON DAYS OF INCREASED INTEREST FROM THE PUBLIC YOUR INTEREST IN THE PUBLIC DECREASES. BUT THAT'S FINE. IF YOU ONLY WANT TO HEAR US FOR 60 SECONDS FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR, I'LL ONLY TALK ABOUT THE THINGS I KNOW YOU CARE ABOUT, YOUR MONEY. BECAUSE I LIVE IN A COUNTRY THAT BELIEVES SOMEONE WITH A LOT OF MONEY IS A GUY WITH LOT OF SPEECH. CITIZENS UNITED IS WRONG AND YOU ARE ALL BRIBED POLITICIANS. I SUPPOSE THAT MEANS, COUNCILOR PEÑA, YOU HAVE THE MOST SPEECH IN THE ROOM. I SHOULD ADDRESS WHAT YOUR SPEECH LOOKS LIKE BECAUSE I MADE SEVERAL REQUESTS TRYING TO FIND YOUR PREVIOUS CAMPAIGN FILINGS. NONE OF YOUR INFORMATION IS PUBLIC. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE CITY CLERK'S FAULT. AND I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET ANY OF YOUR PREVIOUS CAMPAIGN'S INFORMATION. I WOULD LOVE IF THAT EASIER. I'VE GOT OTHER QUESTIONS LIKE WHY YOU'RE ASKING YOUR OWN EMPLOYEES TO DONATE TO YOUR CAMPAIGN. YOU'RE ALREADY PAYING THEM AND ASKING FOR THEIR MONEY BACK. I THINK WE'LL GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER BETTER OVER THE YEAR. >> LISA FOLLOWED BY IAN. IAN FOLLOWED BY THERESA. >> I'M SPEAKING TODAY ON HOW WE CAN MAKE THE MEETINGS MORE ACABLE. FIRST WE REALLY NEED TWO MINUTES AGAIN. I REALLY HOPE THIS IS NOT PERMANENT CHANGE. NUMBER TWO, THERE SHOULD BE NO CAP ON THE NUMBER OF GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT CAN BE HEARD, ESPECIALLY WITH THE IDO COMING UP. NUMBER THREE, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CLAP AND CHEER AT LEAST SNAP AT THE END OF PUBLIC COMMENTS. I GO TO SCHOOL BOARD AND THEY DO IT AND THERE'S NEVER ISSUES. MOST PARENTALLY THERE NEEDS TO BE CHILD CARE PROVIDED FOR ALL OF THE PARENTS OF YOUNG CHILDREN THAT WANT TO SPEAK IN PERSON. NEW MEXICO ISROLLING OUT UNIVERSAL CHILD CARE, I THINK THEY CAN MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN. THANK YOU. >> THERESA FOLLOWED BY JAMES. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL PRESIDENT AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE IMMIGRANT FAMILIES IN DISTRICT THREE WHO ARE EXPERIENCING REAL FEAR AND INSECURITY RIGHT NOW. BERNALILLO COUNTY HAS TAKEN STEPS TO STRENGTHEN PROTECTIONS FOR IMMIGRANT FAMILIES, PUT THE CITY HAS NOT FOLLOWED SUIT. THAT GAP MATTERS. IT LEAVES FAMILIES UNCERTAIN ABOUT SAFETY AND ACCESS TO SERVICES AND WHETHER THEIR LOCAL GOVERNMENT WILL STAND WHEN IT COUNTS. COUNCILOR PEÑA YOU REPRESENT DISTRICT THREE WHERES THERE ADVOCACY FOR THE PEOPLE YOU SERVE? MANY ARE IMMIGRANTS MIXED STATUS FAMILIES AND WORKERS WHO DESERVE DIGNITY. -- AND ANSWER PUBLICLY REMOVE THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN FACTUAL AND OPINION-BASED QUESTION AND LEGAL GUARANTEES THAT RESPONSES TIMELY AND ACCEPT TOOBL HAD PUBLIC. THAT IS NOT TRANSPARENCY OR BUILDING TRUST WITH THE COMMUNITIES. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT DISTRICT THREE DESERVES BETTER AND NOT DECISIONS MADE BY THE ONE MILLION RAISED AGAINST ME TO WIN BY 71 VOTES. THANK YOU. >> JAMES FOLLOWED BY ALEXIS. >> I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT UPCOMING EVENT FOR THE HOMELESS SERVICE COMMUNITY. THE PIT COUNT IS HAPPENING NEXT WEEK. IT'S NOT A FORMALITY, THERE ARE TWO CSE IN NEW MEXICO AND BALANCE OF STATE. THIS COUNT IS CRITICAL FOR FUTURE FUNDING OF SERVICE PROVIDERS. THE MORE VOLUNTEERS WHO SIGN UP LEADS TO MORE ACCURATE COUNT THAT LEADS TO MORE FUNDING FOR ALBUQUERQUE AND NEW MEXICO. I RECOGNIZE MANY OF YOU AND YOUR POLICY ANALYST PARTICIPATED IN THE PAST AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO PARTICIPATE AGAIN. THIS COUNT WILL BE OCCURRING TUESDAY, JANUARY 27th THROUGH FRIDAY THE 30th. MORNING AFTERNOON, AND EVENING SHIFTS ARE AVAILABLE. I'LL BE A TEAM LEAD ON SEVEN OF THE 12 SHIFTS. OUR SNAPSHOT DATE IS MONDAY, JANUARY 26th THERE'S NO WEEKEND SHIFTS SO WE REALLY NEED TO HUSTLE ON THOSE FOUR DAYS WE COUNT. LET ABBEY STYLES KNOW IF YOU WANT TO PARTICIPATE. THANK YOU. >> LEXES FOLLOWED BY LAILA. >> HELLO, I'M A PART-TIME STUDENT, FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE AND A RENTER HERE IN ALBUQUERQUE. I'M JUST COMING HERE TO ASK YOU WHY THE RENT PROVISION WAS NOT PASSED. IT SEEMS LIKE A NO BRAINER. MY ONLY CONCLUSION IS THAT YOU BENEFIT SOMEHOW FROM THE PREDATORY PRACTICES THAT A LOT OF RENTAL PLACES PRACTICE. I'M VERY LUCKY THAT I LIVE IN COUNCILOR ROGERS'S DISTRICT. OTHERWISE, I WOULD CAMPAIGN AGAINST ALL OF YOU BECAUSE IT FEELS LIKE COUNCILOR ROGERS IS THE ONLY ONE WHO ACTUALLY CARES ABOUT RENTERS. WHERE REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO SAY YES IF YOU GENUINELY CARE ABOUT ALBUQUERQUE RENTERS. THANK YOU. >> LEILA FOLLOWED DIE FOLLOWED BY ANDREA. >> GOOD EVENING, PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS. I AM FROM ALBUQUERQUE, BORN AND RAISED IN THE SOUTH VALLEY. AND I WORK WITH A LOT OF RENTERS AND DEALING WITH THE THINGS THAT THEY HAVE ISSUES WITH. I'M A RENTER MYSELF. AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO VOTE YES ON THE RENTER -- RENTAL ORDINANCE THAT YOU'RE HEARING TONIGHT. I KNOW IT WAS DELAYED AND THERE'S SOME LEGAL ISSUES, BUT THE THING IS WE ACTUALLY WORKED ON THIS BILL LAST YEAR AT THE STATE LEVEL. AND SOME OF THE FOLKS HERE GAVE THAT TO LEGISLATORS AND IT PASSED OUR 112-PERSON LEGISLATURE AND SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR. THIS REALLY SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S ENFORCED AND IT'S NOT CURRENTLY BEING ENFORCED. THE FEES THAT ARE BEING CHARGED -- PLEASE PASS. THANK YOU. >> ANDREA FOLLOWED BY MIGUEL. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. FOR MY GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, I HAVE THREE ISSUES TO RAISE. THE FIRST ONE IS RELATED TO THE CREATION OF SAFE SPACES OF FOOD DISTRIBUTION THAT SERVE UNSHELTERED NEIGHBORS. LOCATIONS WHERE MEALS HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED ARE BECOMING MORE AND MORE LIMITED. REGARDING QUIRKY BOOKS, FURTHER LIMITING THE ABILITY OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO DISTRIBUTE FOOD AND WATER AND EFFORTS TO SUPPORT THOSE BEING NEGATIVELY IMPACTED BY CURRENT MARKET FORCES. I DO REQUEST THAT YOU PLEASE ALLOW MORE SPACES WHERE RESIDENTS CAN PROVIDE AID TO NEIGHBORS WHO ARE LESS FORTUNATE THAN US. I HAD THE EXPERIENCE OF BEING CONTACTED BY NOVELLA GLOBAL ABOUT A NON-PAID SPEEDING TICKET SENT TO AN OLD ADDRESS. MY REGISTRATION WAS NOT UP TO DATE. I DID NOT RECEIVE THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE TICKET AT MY CURRENT ADDRESS. SINCE THEN, IT'S BEEN A COUPLE MONTHS, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE DATA SHARING OF MY PERSONAL DATA TO A THIRD PARTY VENDOR AS A RESIDENT I NEVER RECEIVED NOTICE THAT MY DATA WAS GOING TO BE SHARED WITH A THIRD PARTY VENDOR. I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THAT CONCERN. I HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO MY THIRD POINT. THANK YOU. >> MIGUEL FOLLOWED BY SIMON. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, MR. VICE PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, I RISE TODAY TO ADDRESS SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE FOR YOU. THAT IS TO GO THROUGH RECONFIRMATION PROCESS. THERE'S NO METRIC FOR THIS. I ASK THAT YOU REPRESENT AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT UNIONS ARE THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE WORKFORCE AND THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED. I SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE FIREFIGHTERS. AND I SPEAK TO ALL OF THE POTENTIAL DIRECTORS IN THE HOUSE AND ALL OF MY FELLOW FIREFIGHTERS THAT ARE POTENTIAL FEAR CHIE -- FIRE CHIEFS. WHEN THERE'S A CHANGE IN WORKING CONDITIONS, WE DEMAND COLLECTIVE BARGAINING. FOR THE CHARTER, PER THE PUBLIC EMPLOYEE BARGAINING ACT, THAT IS WHAT WE DESERVE AND WE HOPE THAT YOU ARE OUR CHECKS AND BALANCES. WE LOOK FORWARD TO A NEW TENURE WITH THIS ADMINISTRATION, WITH THIS CITY COUNCIL, WHERE WE GET LOTS OF THINGS DONE. FIREFIGHTERS ARE REALLY, REALLY COOL PEOPLE. AND THEY DO A LOT OF REALLY GOOD STUFF. I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU IN THE FUTURE. >> SIMON FOLLOWED BY MYRA ON ZOOM. >> I REMEMBER FORMER COUNCILOR HARRIS BRAGGING ABOUT HOW HE DISALLOWED LENDING YOUR TWO MINUTES TO OTHER SPEAKERS THAT DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO SPEAK. NOW WE ONLY HAVE ONE MINUTE. WHEN WILL IT BE 30 SECONDS? WHEN WILL IT BE 15 SECONDS? WHEN WILL IT BE 1 SECOND? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. SUPPOSEDLY WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT THAT IS SUPPOSED TO RESPOND TO CONCERNED CITIZENS. -- WOULD BE ROLLING IN HIS GRAVE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE SILENT, THEY WON'T LET YOU SPEAK ANYMORE ANYWAY. THIS IS A TRAVESTY. AND IT WAS A TRAVESTY WHEN DON HARRIS DISALLOWED DONATING YOUR MINUTES. YOU NEED TO GO BACK AND DO IT LIKE IT ONCE WAS WITH WHERE PEOPLE HAVE TIME TO PRESENT AND A TIMELY MATTER THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT ALBUQUERQUE. THANK YOU. >> MYRA FOLLOWED BY NICOLE. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. I'M A RESIDENT OF DISTRICT SIX. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE REALITY OF WORKING IN OUR CITY IS'S HEALTH CARE INSTITUTIONS. I WORKED AT ONE OF THE MAJOR HOSPITALS IN ALBUQUERQUE FOR TWO YEARS AS A PHARMACIST. I BELIEVE I EXPERIENCED WORKPLACE RETALIATION WHICH LED TO MY DISCHARGE IN 2025. MY EXPERIENCE IS NOT ISOLATED. MANY HEALTH CARE WORKERS ARE PUSHED OUT AND EXPERIENCED FAR WORSE RETALINATION OF THE WORKPLACE. AND I KNOW COUNCILOR ROGERS SPOKE TO THIS, BUT THIS IS ONE OF THE FACTORS THAT MAKES OUR CITY LOSE NEEDED HEALTH CARE CAPACITY. WORKFORCE BURNOUT IS A PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE AND RETALIATION ISN'T A PRIVATE MATTER IT'S A CIVIC MATTER. I'M ASKING THE COUNCIL TO PAY ATTENTION TO HOW MAJOR HOSPITAL SYSTEMS TREAT WORKFORCE BECAUSE IT AFFECTS STAFFING RETENTION, SAFETY AND EQUITY IN THE CITY. THANK YOU. >> NICOLE FOLLOWED BY IAN. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILORS, I'M NIEKOLE. I'M PLEASED TO SAY WITH THE SET ASIDE MONEY WE'RE UP TO $950,000 FOR THE MAIN LIBRARY H-VAC REPLACEMENT PROJECT. THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD SUPPORTS THE FULL SLATE OF LIBRARY CAPITAL REQUESTS FOR THE 2026 STATE LEGISLATIVE SESSION. IN DISTRICT TWO, THAT'S THE MAIN LIBRARY, DISTRICT FOUR CHERRY HILLS HAS A HIGH REQUEST. IT HAS A LOT OF WEAR AND TEAR. IN DISTRICT SIX, THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT NEEDS SOME H-VAC WORK. YOU MAY REMEMBER THEY CLOSED THIS PAST SUMMER. IN DISTRICT SIX SAN PEDRO NEED H-VAC WORK. AND DISTRICT SEVEN HAS REQUEST FOR H-VAC UPGRADES. ON THE RENTAL PRACTICES, MAYBE IF THE LANDLORDS DIDN'T VIOLATE THE LAW THEY WOULDN'T WORRIED ABOUT GETTING DOUBLE FINED FOR THAT. THANK YOU. >> IAN FOLLOWED BY JANET. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCIL PEOPLE. GOOD EVENING. A COUPLE THINGS. I THINK FOLKS WOULD APPRECIATE A HEADS UP ON WHEN YOU CUT THE TWO MINUTES TO ONE MINUTE TO EXPLAIN WHY. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO APPRECIATE THE RESPECT OF BEING INFORMED AND NOT HAVING THINGS SPRUNG ON THEM. I'M ANOTHER IN SUPPORT OF DROPPING RENTAL FEES AND SUPPORTING LEGISLATION TO BENEFIT ALL THOSE THAT ARE RENTING. I WANT TO THANK COUNCILOR BACA FOR BRINGING BACK THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL RESTRICTIONS. AND I WANT TO PUSH BACK AGAINST ANYONE THAT SAYS THAT PREVENTS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY. IT DOESN'T STOP PEOPLE FROM OWNING SECOND HOMES AND RENTING THEM, WE JUST WANT TO STOP THEM FROM BEING EMPTY. THERE'S PLENTY OF HOTELS VISITORS CAN STAY IN. I WANT TO RAISE THE QUESTION OF A 4-YEAR-OLD GIRL WAS KILLED IN A CROSSWALK OUTSIDE OF PRESBYTERIAN HOSPITAL ON CENTRAL WHILE SHE HAD THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WITH HER TODDLER. THIS IS ONE OF A COUPLE PEDESTRIANS I'VE HEARD KILLED LIKE THIS IN THE LAST YEAR IN OUR CITY. AND I'M CURIOUS WHY THERE'S NOT A CRIMINAL CHARGE OR CONSEQUENCES FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THIS. I THINK DRIVERS NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE WHEN THEY KILL OR MAIM SOMEONE WITH THEIR VEHICLE. LET'S HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE. I'D LOVE TO HEAR SOMEONE SPEAK TO THAT LATER. I KNOW APD WAS THERE EARLIER. I HOPE YOU THINK ABOUT THAT TO KEEP PEDESTRIANS IN THE CITY SAFE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> JANET FOLLOWED BY SARAH. >> I DO BELIEVE I'VE UNMUTED. >> YOU ARE. >> THANK YOU. I'M A RESIDENT OF DISTRICT NINE. AND THREE QUICK POINTS TONIGHT. I ALSO WANT TO ECHO THE APPRECIATION TO OUR NEW COUNCILOR TELLES FOR HER SET ASIDE CONTRIBUTION TO THE MAIN LIBRARY H-VAC. WE'RE CLOSE TO A MILLION DOLLARS. SECOND, I ATTENDED THE MEETING LAST WEEK IN DISTRICT EIGHT AT THE HOLIDAY PARK COMMUNITY CENTER WHICH IS A WONDERFUL FACILITY. HOWEVER, SURPRISED TO FIND THAT THE COOLING SYSTEM AND THE HEATING SYSTEM HAVE NOT WORKED FOR A SIGNIFICANT PERIOD OF TIME. I KNOW COUNCILOR CHAMPINE IS AWARE OF THIS. AND I -- THIS MIGHT BE THE YEAR WHERE THE COUNCIL AND CITY NEEDS TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT ALL THE NEEDS OF ALL THE HUNDREDS OF BUILDINGS THAT ARE UNDER ITS SUPERVISION. I THINK MY MINUTE IS UP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> SARAH FOLLOWED BY ANNIE. >> GOOD EVENING. I'M FROM DISTRICT TWO. I ECHO THAT TWO MINUTES IS FAIR TO HEAR SOMEBODY'S VOICE. I WOULD ALSO ECHO I STAND IN SUPPORT OF DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO PROTECT FAMILIES FROM ICE. ADDITIONALLY, THE CITY HAS PREVAILED, AT LEAST NOW, IN SHUTTING DOWN THE QUIRKY BOOKS ENCAMPMENT. COMMENTS FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY DURING THE HEARINGS WERE ABOUT LITTER ON THE STREETS. IT SAYS IT IS A PUBLIC HEALTH FACTOR WITH URINE AND FECES. AND THEY SAY IT'S NOT SAFE TO SLEEP OUTDOORS. YET CLOSING THE CAMPS LEAVES THEM OUTSIDE WITH NO TRASH CANS AND NO BATHROOMS. I WILL OFFER THAT CARE PLAN, C CEASE HARMFUL -- A, PRIDE ACCESS TO EVERYTHING, R, REDISTRIBUTE RESOURCES, AND E, ENGAGE AND EDUCATE ALL COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT HOMELESSNESS IS NOT AN IDENTITY. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO HELP PEOPLE FIND HOMES. >> ANNIE FOLLOWED BY JOE. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM PRESIDENT COUNCILORS. I WORK CLOSELY WITH THE OPEN SPACE DIVISION THROUGH MY ROLE AS PROGRAM MANAGER WITH WATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT. TONIGHT I'M SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF ALL THE WONDERFUL WORK THAT IS BEING DONE AT THE TIJERAS BIO ZONE EDUCATION CENTER IN DISTRICT NINE. THIS OPEN SPACE AREA STANDS AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT CAN BE DONE THROUGH MULTIAGENCY AND COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP. AND IT'S AN INVESTMENT FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS OF ALL MOBILITY TYPES TO ENGAGE AND LEARN IN NATURE. THE BIO ZONE STANDS AS AN EXAMPLE OF NATURE BASED SOLUTIONS INCLUDING GREEN STORM WATER INFRASTRUCTURE CAN CREATE A SPACE EKEALLY ENJOYED BY PEOPLE AND WILDLIFE. I URGE COUNCILORS TO SUPPORT PROJECTS IN OUR CITY THAT ENRICH OUR COMMUNITIES AND IMPROVE ACCESS TO THE OUTDOORS. THANK YOU. >> JOE FOLLOWED BY MICHAEL. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCIL MEMBERS. I LIVE ON 1st STREET. I LIVED THERE SINCE DECEMBER 2, 1976. I'M A HALF A BLOCK NORTH OF HEALTH CARE FOR THE HOMELESS. THE SITUATION WITH THE HOMELESS CAMPING HAS BEEN GETTING WORSE AND WORSE OVER IT LAST FEW YEARS. THERE ARE BEEN HOMELESS CAMPS ON MY BLOCK WITHIN SIGHT OF MY KITCHEN FOR THE LAST 11 AND A HALF MONTHS EXCEPT FOR JUST A COUPLE WEEKS WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN HALTED. THIS HAS A NEGATIVE EFFECT ON MY HEALTH, PRODUCTIVITY, ABILITY TO LIVE A LIFE. HOWEVER, I CAN'T JUST TALK ABOUT MYSELF. THESE PEOPLE NEED SOME PLACE TO GO. I KNOW THAT SAFE SPACES IS UNDER DEVELOPMENT, BUT PERHAPS THEY COULD DO WITH SOME PLACE TO CAMP WHERE THEY'RE NOT CONSTANTLY BEING KICKED OUT. I BELIEVE THAT'S MY TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> MICHAEL FOLLOWED BY SHANNON. >> HI. I AM THE CO-CHAIR OF THE ALBUQUERQUE DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS OF AMERICA. AND I'M REALLY IN SUPPORT OF THE RENTERS PROTECTION ORDINANCE. THAT WOULD BE O-25-102. I THINK A MAIN REASON FOR THE SUPPORT COMES FROM A RECENT ARTICLE BY SEARCHLIGHT NEW MEXICO TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT EVEN WITH THE LAWS ON THE BOOKS IN NEW MEXICO RENTERS FACE A LACK OF ENFORCEMENT. THE TITLE OF THE ARTICLE IS TENANTS WITH NOWHERE TO TURN AND I'LL QUOTE FROM HERE SOME OF THE STATE'S MOST VULNERABLE RESIDENTS, LOW INCOME, ELDERLY OR DISABLED FACE UNHEALTHY SUBSTANDARD CONDITIONS. THEY STRUGGLE WITH MAINTENANCE PROBLEMS, UNRESPONSIVE LANDLORDS AND LITTLE TO NO ENFORCEMENT. THOSE ARE BASED ON A REVIEW OF MORE THAN 100,000 ALBUQUERQUE 311 CALLS OVER THE PAST EIGHT YEARS. I THINK EVEN THE SMALL MOVE OF MOVING A LOT OF THE FOLKS INTO THE CITY CODE RATHER THAN JUST BEING STATE IT WOULD GO A LONG WAY TOWARD STRONGER ENFORCEMENT. I THINK IT WOULD DO A LOT TO DO FAIRNESS AND EQUAL PROTECTION OF THE LAW. THANK YOU. >> SHANNON FOLLOWED BY CRYSTAL. >> GOOD EVENING, CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> WE CAN HEAR YOU. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. HONORABLE MEMBERS I STAND BEFORE YOU TO HIGHLIGHT A CRITICAL ISSUE REGARDING THE NEW MEXICO DISCIPLINARY BOARD. A SERIOUS ACCIDENT OCCURRED AT THE BERNALILLO COUNTY JUVENILE JUSTICE CENTER RESULTING IN MY HUSBAND'S SUFFERING A TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY THAT LEFT HIM PERMANENTLY DISABLED. CURRENTLY, WE'RE NAVIGATING THE WORKERS COMPENSATION PROCESS. SADLY, WE ENCOUNTERED NUMEROUS OBSTACLES AND DELAY. WE REPORTED VARIOUS UNETHICAL ACTIONS INVOLVING JUDGES AND OPPOSING COUNSEL TO THE DISCIPLINARY BOARD. PROVIDED SUBSTANTIAL PROOF AND DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE OF THE MISHANDLING OF OUR CASE, DESPITE THIS THE BOARD CLEARED ALL PARTIES INVOLVED WITHOUT EVER REACHING OUT TO US FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION OVER AN INVESTIGATION. WHICH IS DEEPLY CONCERNING. WE ARE FACE -- FILING A $50 MILLION LAWSUIT IN THE WORKERS COMPENSATION THAT SEEMS TO BE RUSHING THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM WITHOUT DUE PROCESS. WE ARE READY TO PURSUE THIS MATTER THROUGH THE APPEALS COURT AND IF NECESSARY THE SUPREME COURT. AFTER FIVE YEARS OF STRUGGLE, WE ARE COMMITTED TO SEEING THIS THROUGH TO THE END. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION. I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND YOU THAT THE CAMERAS YOU HAVE UP FOR THE SPEEDING ARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL. THANK YOU AND HAVE A BEAUTIFUL, BLESSED NIGHT. >> CRYSTAL. >> CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> WE CAN HEAR YOU. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. GOOD EVENING, MY NAME IS CRYSTAL. I STAND WITH THE RESIDENTS OF MARTINEZ TOWN IN OPPOSITION OF O-26-4. THE CITY SAYS THIS CHANGE IS ABOUT HOWS EQUITY. REMOVING PROTECTION FROM A HISTORIC WORKING CLASS NEIGHBORHOOD. >> MADAM PRESIDENT. I APOLOGIZE FOR THE INTERRUPTION. IT APPEARS THIS COMMENTER IS COMMENTING ON A QUASI-JUDICIAL ITEM. PUBLIC COMMENT IS NOT AVAILABLE ON THIS TOPIC. >>COUN. PEÑA: MS. GARCIA, DID YOU GET THAT? >> I WANT IT TO KNOW THAT I'M AGAINST IT. ARE YOU MOVING ME TO THAT ON THE COMMENTS LATER? >>COUN. PEÑA: IF YOU'D LIKE TO. >> YES, IF I CAN'T DO IT NOW, I'D LIKE TO BE MOVED. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, CRYSTAL. I WILL MOVE YOU. THAT CONCLUDES GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. NOW, WE'RE ON TO APPROVALS. THIS IS OC-2, APPOINTMENT OF MEMBER TO OPEN SPACE ADVISORY BOARD IN ACCORDANCE WITH 2-6-16ROA1994. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN HAS SUBMITTED THE FOLLOWING TWO NAMES AS POTENTIAL APPOINTES TO THE OPEN SPACE ADVISORY BOARD. THOSE NAMES ARE -- MAYBE COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN CAN SAY HER FIRST NAME. I THINK IT'S TREESY RILEY, AND CLAY CAMPBELL. IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS OC? OKAY. I THINK WE HAVE THE TWO CANDIDATES PRESENT. WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THEM IF THEY'RE PRESENT. I DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE, IF THEY'RE PRESENT. NO? OKAY. THE COUNCIL RULES PROVIDE A PROCEDURE FOR APPOINTMENTS MADE BY THE COUNCIL AND WE'RE FOLLOWING THAT PROCEDURE TONIGHT. THE BALLOTS DISTRIBUTED BY STAFF LIST THE TWO CANDIDATES NAMES AND COUNCILORS ARE TO INDICATE THE ORDER OF PREFERENCE WITH A NUMBER ONE FOR OUR FIRST PREFERENCE AND NUMBER TWO FOR SECOND PREFERENCE. LFR COUNCILORS COMPLETE BALLOTS STAFF WILL TALLY THE RESULTS. AS WE DO THAT, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A DINNER BREAK. AND WE'LL BE BACK IN A HALF AN HOUR. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT ANNOUNCEMENT FIRST. AND PROCEDURALLY, I MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM UNTIL WE RETURN FROM THE DINNER BREAK. THERE'S A MOTION, AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. MOTION PASSES. WE'LL BE BACK IN A HALF AN HOUR. THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: WELCOME BACK, EVERYONE. WE LEFT WITH OC-2 ON THE TABLE. IN THE MATTER OF OC-2, APPOINTMENT OF MEMBER TO THE OPEN SPACE ADVISORY BOARD, I MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE THE OC FROM THE TABLE. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR TELLES. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. THANK YOU. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. NOW, I WILL ANNOUNCE THE NEW MEMBER OF THE OPEN SPACE ADVISORY BOARD IS MR. CLAY CAMPBELL. CONGRATULATIONS. NOW WE'RE BACK ON -- >> MADAM PRESIDENT, YOU WILL STILL NEED TO CONFIRM. MOVE CONFIRMATION. >>COUN. PEÑA: OKAY. I'LL MOVE CONFIRMATION OF MR. CAMPBELL. THERE'S A SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT. ALL THOSE IN FAVORER SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE'LL MOVE SOME THINGS ON THE AGENDA. NOW, WE ARE ON REAPPOINTMENT OF CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER, DR. SENGEL TO THE POSITION OF CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER. I MOVE CONFIRMATION. THERE'S A MOTION AND MULTIPLE SECONDS. I'LL TAKE COUNCILOR GROUT. IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? >> YES, THERE IS, MADAM PRESIDENT. WE HAVE FRANCESCO TO SPEAK. >> APOLOGIES. MAYOR KELLER BEFORE YOU ALSO HAD A FEMALE MAJORITY. THE CRACKS CAO AND CITY LEGAL BROKE THE LAW TO COVER UP THAT THEY BROKE THE LAW. INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO DESTRUCTION OF EVIDENCE AND SUPPRESSION OF EVIDENCE WHILE KNOWINGLY MAKING FALSE MISLEADING STATEMENTS TO FEDERAL AUTHORITIES. PLUS -- UNCONSTITUTIONAL CITY WORKERS WITH TAX DOLLARS TO COMMIT CRIMES IN ALBUQUERQUE. I RESPECTFULLY PRAY FOR THE IMMEDIATE RELEASE OF THE UNLAWFUL THEFT OF MY PRIVATE RECORD THAT ARE RIGHTFULLY MINE BY LAW WITHOUT COURT ACTION IN THE MATTER OF MAYOR KELLER. AS A MATTER OF LAW, A YES VOTE TO CONFIRM IS A WILLFUL COMPLICIT VIOLATION OF CHECKS AND BALANCES, CITY POLICY, LAWS, CONSTITUTION AND OATH OF OFFICE. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU SO MUCH. NOW, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCILORS? COMMENTS? ANY? OKAY. ADMINISTRATION, MS. SENGEL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO START BY SAYING I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE AND IN MAYOR KELLER'S ADMINISTRATION. IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS SINCE I JOINED THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE CHIEF OFFICER POSITION. I APPRECIATED THE LEARNING CURVE THAT I HAD IN THAT FIRST YEAR. I'VE REFLECTED ON MY FIRST CITY COUNCIL MEETING, AND COUNCILOR LEWIS, I LEARNED A LOT IN THAT VERY FIRST MEETING ABOUT OUR AIR QUALITY BOARD AND OTHER PROCEDURAL PROCESSES THAT I DIDN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WERE PART OF THE CITY WORK YET. AS I REFLECT ON THE LAST TWO YEARS, I THINK IT'S BEEN AN INCREDIBLE TWO YEARS OF WORK THAT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED AS A CITY. AND THERE ARE EXAMPLES OF THAT. I THINK THE DOCUMENTS YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU, WE SPOKE TO SOME OF THOSE. I'M REALLY PROUD OF THE FACT THAT WE COMPLETED THE GATEWAY CENTER AND GATEWAY NETWORK OF SERVICES AND SUPPORTS TO ENSURE THAT NOT ONLY DO WE FINISH THE BUILD OUT BUT ALSO WE'RE OPERATING EACH OF THOSE SERVICES AND HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN ABOUT EACH OF THEM NOW AND THE EFFECTIVENESS THEY CAN HAVE IN SUPPORTING OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR MOST VULNERABLE FOLKS. I COULD GO ON ABOUT OTHER THINGS, BUT I THINK WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED TOGETHER WORKING HARD TO RESPOND TO WHAT OUR COMMUNITY HAS ASKED OF US. I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR CONTINUED SERVICE TO OUR CITY. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. THERE WASN'T ANY QUESTIONS. WE'LL MOVE ON WITH THE VOTE. I JUST WANT TO SAY I APPRECIATE YOU IN THE SPIRIT OF TRANSPARENCY AND COOPERATION AND WORKING TOGETHER. NOT JUST OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS, BUT MOVING FORWARD, HAVING THE DIRECTORS TO ANSWER QUESTIONS OF THE COUNCILORS. WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. I LOOK FORWARD TO THE CONTINUED WORK. THANK YOU MS. SENGEL. THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR CONFIRMATION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THOSE OPPOSED, SAME MOTION. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. CONGRATULATIONS. NEXT, WE HAVE EC-10, REAPPOINTMENT OF CHIEF EMILY JARAMILLO TO THE POSITION OF CHIEF OF THE ALBUQUERQUE FIRE RESCUE. I MOVE CONFIRMATION. THERE'S A MOTION, AND A SECOND BY COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? >> YES, THERE IS, MADAM PRESIDENT. WE HAVE WILLIAM FOLLOWED BY CHRIS. >> THANK YOU, CITY COUNCIL, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, FOR THIS TIME TO SPEAK. I'M CHIEF McMULLEIN. I'M GARDEN UNIT OF OF THE LOCAL IFF AND DIRECTOR OF TRAINING FOR ALBUQUERQUE FIRE RESCUE. I COME HERE WITH AFR INDIVIDUALS HAND PICKED FROM THE BUSIEST FIRE STATIONS FROM THE CITY FOR PERSONAL EXCELLENCE AND CONTRIBUTIONS TO BE PART OF THE ACADEMY STAFF. WE COME AS INDIVIDUALS UNPARTICULAR WITH THESE POLITICAL PROCEEDINGS BUT HERE TO DELIVER A MESSAGE. THERE ARE MANY OPPORTUNITY FOR PROFESSIONAL ACCOMPLISHMENT, BUT THERE'S ONE ACHIEVEMENT ALL FIREFIGHTERS COVET, THAT IS TO HAVE THEIR RESPECT AND LOYALTY OF REAL FIREFIGHTERS, PRACTITIONERS OF THE CRAFT THAT EARNED REPUTATION THROUGH THEIR OWN SACRIFICE AND GIVING. THE GENTLEMEN BEHIND ME ARE GOOD FIREFIGHTERS AND DEMONSTRATED A THOUSAND TIMES OVER THEIR EFFORT AND SERVING THE CITIZENS FROM OUR BELOVED FIREHOUSES. THESE MEN HAVE LOYALTY THAT CANNOT BE PURCHASED BY THE WEALTHIEST INDIVIDUAL AND RESPECT CANNOT BE COERCED BY THE MOST POWERFUL PERSON. TO EMILY JARAMILLO IN THIS PUBLIC SETTING, WE GIVE YOU FREE OF OUR HEART AND RESPECT AND LOYALTY, WHEREVER YOU GO, PLEASE TAKE THIS PRICELESS JEWEL WITH YOU AND KNOW WE UNDERSTAND WHO RESIP RUICATES OUR EFFORT AND OUR CARING AND WE UNDERSTAND WHO KNOWS OUR UNDYING DEDICATION. THANK YOU, CHIEF JARAMILLO. >> CHRIS FOLLOWED BY THERESA. >> MY NAME IS CHRIS. I SOME THE VICE PRESIDENT FOR IFF LOCAL 244. THIS -- I NEVER ADDRESSED COUNCIL BEFORE. I'M LEARNING. MY JOB IS TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE THAT TRUSTED ME WITH POSITION. I'M WORKING WITH THE BEST INFORMATION WE HAVE. THAT FEELS INCOMPLETE. NOT HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST ANYTHING MY PRESIDENT SAID. NOT ANYTHING TO SPEAK AGAINST MY CHIEF JARAMILLO. I'M HERE TO ADD MY PORTION TO THE PARTS AND PIECES OF TRUTH. WHAT MY MEMBERS MADE CLEAR, WHO FEEL ALL DIFFERENT WAYS ABOUT DISPUTES, AND ADMIN, AND CITY LEADERSHIP, AND WHAT MIGHT NEED AND WANT IS A SHARED PATH FORWARD. I'VE BEEN GIVEN MANDATE TO FIND CLEAR, COMMON GROUND AND MOVE FORWARD. WE SHOW UP AND BRING ORDER TO CHAOS AND DO IT IN THE STRONG FOUNDATION OF STABILITY. MY MEMBERS FEEL BATTERED BY ALL SIDES. I DON'T THINK NAIVE, I IMPLORE YOU, THE MOST CRITICAL STAKEHOLDERS IS ABOUT WAGES, BENEFITS, WORKING CONDITIONS OR LEADERSHIP, MOST CRITICAL STAKEHOLDERS ARE MEMBERS THEMSELVES. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, SIR. YOUR TIME IS UP. APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MAY I REQUEST HE FINISHED HIS STATEMENT? >>COUN. PEÑA: SURE. YOU CAN PROCEED. >> THANK YOU, SIR. WE FEEL BATTERED FROM ALL SIDES. IT'S SPIRAL OUT OF CONTROL. I'M IMPLORE YOU, REMEMBER THE CLEAREST STAKEHOLDERS ARE BENEFITS, WORKING CONDITION, OR LEADERSHIP. THE MOST CRITICAL STAKEHOLDERS ARE MEMBERS THEMSELVES. THE ONES IN THE TRUCKS, TODAY, TONIGHT AND THROUGHOUT THE CITY. ANSWERING THE CALLS FOR SERVICE EVEN AS WE SPEAK. PLEASE ALLOW ME AND MY MEMBERS TO DO OUR JOBS IN THE STREET. DO NOT ALLOW OUTSIDE INFLUENCES TO HAVE A SAY, WHOEVER OR WHEREVER THEY ARE, IT'S NOT FAIR. IT'S NOT HELPFUL. IT'S DEEPLY HARMFUL. MY BOARD AND I ALWAYS WILL STAND IN SUPPORT OF LABOR, NO MATTER WHO IS PUT IN FRONT OF US. I HOPE YOU WILL GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO REPAIR AND REBUILD IN GOOD FAITH THE COMPLICATED BUT CRUCIAL PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN LABOR AND MANAGEMENT TO CONTINUE TO SERVE WITH SECURITY AND DIGNITY IN A LANDSCAPE THAT APPEARS MORE AND MORE DIFFICULT TO NAVIGATE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU FOR THE EXTENSION. I LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING TO KNOW YOU BETTER. >> THERESA FOLLOWED BY LEVI. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL PRESIDENT. I PREVIOUSLY SERVED AS THE CHAIR OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND SEXUAL ASSAULT COMMISSION. I SERVE AS A COMMISSIONER. IN MY ROLE WITH THE COMMISSION SHE SERVED AS AFR REPRESENTATIVE AND SHOWED UP WITH INTENTION, ACCOUNTABILITY AND RESPECT. SHE MADE EVERY EFFORT TO BE ENGAGED COLLABORATIVE AND INFORMED UNDERSTANDING THE IMPORTANCE OF PARTNERSHIP WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND SURVIVOR CENTERED RESPONSES. SHE INTENTIONALLY MADE EFFORTS TO SUPPORT LOCAL NONPROFIT AND COMMUNITY BASED ORGANIZATIONS AND UNDERSTANDS THE CULTURAL CARE. AS WOMEN WE FACE A LEVEL OF SCRUTINY AND LEADERSHIP THAT OUR MALE COUNTERPARTS DO NOT. CONFIDENCE IN WOMEN LEADERSHIP IS QUESTIONED NOT BECAUSE OF PERFORMANCE BUT BECAUSE OF EGO THAT SOMEONE ELSE COULD DO A BETTER JOB. SHEAF -- SHE LEADS THE DEPARTMENT WITH DIGNITY, STRENGTH AND TRANSPARENCY. ENSURING FIREFIGHTERS HAVE A VOICE AND DECISIONS ARE MADE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE DEPARTMENT. IT WILL BE A SERIOUS MISTAKE TO BE PERSUADED OTHERWISE. I URGE YOU TO VOTE YES ON REAPPOINTMENT. THANK YOU. >> LEVI FOLLOWED BY MIGUEL. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF FIRE CHIEF JARAMILLO UNDER LEADERSHIP AND STRENGTHENING PUBLIC SAFETY ACROSS THE CITY. I'VE BEEN LIFELONG RESIDENT OF ALBUQUERQUE. PRESIDENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND APPOINTED TO THE CITY'S BOARD OF ETHICS AND CAMPAIGN FINANCE. I PARTICIPATE IN DISTRICT NINE COALITION OF NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS WHERE WE CLOSELY FOLLOW THE SAFETY CHALLENGES AFFECTING OUR COMMUNITIES. I KNOW THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT EXPANDING THE SCHEDULING PROGRAM THAT HAS SHOWN SUCCESS. I DON'T CLAIM TO BE A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT, BUT I KNOW WHAT EFFECTIVE LEADERSHIP LOOKS LIKE. IT LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE THAT EVALUATES WHAT'S WORKING AND ADOPTS NEEDED AND COLLABORATES WITH THE COUNCILORS AND ADMINISTRATION AND COMMUNITY TO GET IT RIGHT. THIS IS WHAT CHIEF JARAMILLO HAS DONE. I'M ASKING FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THE RESULT WE'VE SEEN, THE SUSTAINABILITY SHE'S BROUGHT AND THE TRUST SHE'S EARNED FROM NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE MINE. SUPPORTING HER MEANS SUPPORTING THE FIREFIGHTERS AND RESCUE PERSONNEL THAT SHOW UP EVERY DAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONTINUED COMMITMENT TO THE SAFETY OF OUR CITY. GOD BLESS. >> MIGUEL FOLLOWED BY KEITH. KEITH FOLLOWED BY BRIAN ON ZOOM. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I'M A RETIRED FIREFIGHTER FROM ALBUQUERQUE FIRE RESCUE. WHEN I WORKED THERE IT WAS ALBUQUERQUE FIRE DEPARTMENT. I JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT BECAUSE THERE'S A PRIDE THING THAT COMES WITH THAT. WITH NEARLY 23 YEARS OF SERVICE I WAS A LIFELONG UNION MEMBER WITH IAF LOCAL 244. I'M HERE TO SUPPORT IN SUPPORT OF ALBUQUERQUE CHIEF JARAMILLO. MY FAVORITE FIRE CHIEF WAS ROBERT ORTEGA. HE UNDERSTOOD THE FAMILY CULTURE OF FIRE SERVICE AND WHERE WE COME FROM. THAT MATTERED. THE FAPLY PART OF THIS JOB SHAPED HOW WE WORKED, SACRIFICED AND MOTIVATED OURSELVES TO DO WHAT WAS ASKED OF US FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND FOR OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS RIGHT NEXT TO US. OVER TIME, THAT CULTURE CHANGED. I WORKED THROUGH A PERIOD WHEN THE DEPARTMENT SHIFTED AWAY FROM EXPERIENCED HARD WORK AND TIME ON THE JOB TO -- I WATCHED GOOD FIREFIGHTERS LOSE OPPORTUNITIES NOT BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T CAPABLE BUT BECAUSE THE STANDARDS MOVED AROUND THEM. WHEN I SPEAK ABOUT LEADERSHIP I DO SO WITH INSTITUTIONAL MEMORY. THIS IS ABOUT FIVE MINUTES LONG. I'LL STOP. I URGE YOU SUPPORT EMILY JARAMILLO SO SHE CAN CONTINUE THE GREAT WORK SHE'S BEEN DOING. TO MY CITY COUNCILOR, I URGE YOU SUPPORT EMILY JARAMILLO. >> BRIAN. >> GOOD EVENING. [ INAUDIBLE ]. DURING THAT TIME I SERVED NINE YEARS ON THE UNION EXECUTIVE BOARD, INCLUDING FORMER VICE PRESIDENT. TONIGHT I SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF A CONFIRMATION OF CHIEF JARAMILLO. THROUGHOUT MY CAREER, I WORKED UNDER FIVE DIFFERENT FIRE CHIEFS. IN THAT TIME -- ONE SECOND. I NEVER WORKED WITH A FIRE CHIEF WITH AS ACCESSIBLE OR WILLING TO -- OKAY. I'LL BE RIGHT THERE. I APOLOGIZE. ACCESSIBLE OR WILLING TO LISTEN OR WILLING TO WORK WITH MEMBERS. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. SHE'S ALWAYS BEEN A GREAT MENTOR TO ME AND MANY OTHERS REGARDLESS OF RANK SHE'S ALWAYS MADE HERSELF AVAILABLE AND OFFER GUIDANCE AND SUPPORT AND OFFER PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH. SHE LEADS AND FAIRNESS, TRANSPARENCY AND A GENUINE CARE FOR MEMBERS. THANK YOU. ONCE AGAIN, I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >> THANK YOU. MADAM PRESIDENT, THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. WE HAVE COUNCILOR LEWIS. QUESTION? >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, I GUESS I EXPECTED THE CHIEF WANTED TO SAY A FEW WORDS. AND WE'LL HAVE SOME CONVERSATION WITH IT. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL PRESIDENT COUNCILORS. I FEEL LIKE IT'S HARD TO FOLLOW THAT. I'M A LITTLE -- AS YOU KNOW ME, I MIGHT HAVE A SHAKY VOICE. I APPRECIATE PEOPLE TAKING THEIR TIME TO SPEAK ON MY LEADERSHIP I SENT YOU A INVOLVED WOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING DIFFERENT. BECAUSE WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY IS NOT WHERE I THOUGHT OR WOULD HAVE HOPED US TO BE. I KNOW WHERE I STAND ON THIS. I NEVER WAVERED. I WON'T WAVER. I WANT TO SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS. IN MY HOUSEHOLD, MY HUSBAND ALWAYS SAID IT AND I FIRST THOUGHT HE WAS SILLY ABOUT IT, BUT THE MOST THIS HAPPENED I BELIEVE IT'S TRUE. STATISTICS CAN BE USED TO PROVE ANYTHING. HONESTLY, I DON'T CARE ABOUT DATA IN A LOT OF WAYS. BECAUSE HOW DO PEOPLE FEEL? HOW DO THE FIREFIGHTERS FEEL? HOW DO THE RESIDENTS IN ALBUQUERQUE FEEL? THAT'S WHAT MATTERS. HOW DO PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT OUR PUBLIC SAFETY AND HOW THINGS ARE OPERATING. SO, I APPRECIATE THE DATA THAT WE'VE GOTTEN. I KNOW IT'S BEEN OFFERED TO GET DATA FROM THE OTHER SIDE. BUT I FEEL LIKE IT COULD BE USED TO PROVE BOTH ARGUMENTS AND PROBABLY THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF TRUTH TO BOTH SIDES. WHAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT THAT I REALLY WANT TO SAY IS THAT I RESPECT YOU, CHIEF. I RESPECT LOCAL 244. I THINK THAT BOTH OF YOU REALLY ARE DOING THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY TO DO YOUR JOB AND SERVE THOSE WHO YOU ARE HERE TO SERVE. I DON'T THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD -- I WAS GOING TO SAY COMPROMISE, BUT ACTUALLY I DO. WE SHOULDN'T GET RID OF ANY OF THAT RESPECT. BUT WE ARE AT A POINT WHERE THERE'S NOT A RESPECT FOR EITHER SIDE OR AT LEAST FROM THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN, THAT'S HOW IT SEEMS. THERE WAS A SAME WHERE SITTING HERE I WAS ABLE TO SEE THAT LOCAL -- THE IAFF LOCAL 244 AND THE CHIEF OF FIRE AND ADMIN, YOU WERE LIKE THIS IN MY OPINION. I WAS THE ONE WAY OUT HERE TO A LOT OF YOU. NOW HERE I AM LIKE, WAIT YOU GUYS, GET RID OF YOUR EGO. I THINK EVERYBODY HAS A LOT OF EGO. AT LEAST A LITTLE EGO. THAT GETS IN SO MUCH OF THE WAY. I JUST REALLY WANT BOTH SIDES TO HEAR ME WHEN I SAY I SUPPORT FIRE. I SUPPORT FIRE FROM THE UNION PERSPECTIVE. I THINK THERE ARE SOME REALLY VALID ARGUMENTS BEING MADE. I SUPPORT FIRE FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE AS BEING THE CHIEF. I THINK THAT YOU HAVE SOME VERY VALID POINTS. I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER, BUT I SURE HOPE THAT COMPROMISE IS FOUND. I SURE HOPE THAT MOVING FORWARD -- I SAID TO YOU FROM DAY ONE, DON'T BOTHER TALKING TO ME CHIEF ABOUT YOUR RECONFIRMATION BECAUSE I SUPPORT YOU. THAT HASN'T CHANGED. I REALLY HOPE MOVING FORWARD THAT LOCAL 244, CHIEF OF FIRE, ADMINISTRATION AND HOPEFULLY THE COUNCIL, WE'RE ALL SAYING WE'RE WANTING TO WORK TOGETHER BETTER. I HOPE WE DEMONSTRATE IT. AND I HOPE YOU DO GET RECONFIRMED. PUT I ALSO HOPE TO FIND COMPROMISE IN ORDER TO TRULY PUT PUBLIC SAFETY FIRST, THE RESIDENTS AND THE PEOPLE THAT GO INTO FIRES WHEN I'M RUNNING OUT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO DOWIT WHAT YOU DO. I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO. TRULY AND DEEPLY, BUT I DON'T WANT TO DO IT. THAT'S WHY I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A NEED FOR HIGHER RESPECT FOR ALL OF YOU. THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO. PLEASE, I HOPE WE CAN FIND COMPROMISE. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR BACA, FOLLOWED BY COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THANK YOU, CHIEF, FOR MEMO. I'M NOT PROVING COUNCILOR BASSAN'S POINT ON DATA. I'VE LOOKED AT THIS DATA, AND I'M LIKE -- IT'S A LITTLE BIT JANKY. I REALLY DO BELIEVE IN DATA. BUT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT I WON'T DO IT NOW. I'M GLAD YOU'RE COLLECTING DATA. I THINK ABOUT -- I'M NOT A FIREFIGHTER. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE JOB. I KNOW A BIT OF LEADERSHIP. I SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME IN THE ARMY. PART OF LEADERSHIP IS WORKING WITH ALL OF YOUR FOLKS. SEVERAL MONTHS AGO WHEN THIS KICKED OFF, WE HAD A ROOM FULL OF FIREFIGHTERS. THE ONLY ONES I SEE NOW ARE THE ONES THAT WORK DIRECTLY FOR YOU. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I KNOW THERE'S RANK AND FILE HERE. BUT THERE'S NOT A ROOM FULL. I BELIEVE AS CHIEF IT'S INCUMBENT ONNIA TO WORK WITH ALL OF YOUR FOLKS. AND BEST COMPROMISE. NOBODY EVER LEAVES A COMPROMISE HAPPY. THERE'S SUCH A THING AS COMPROMISE. THAT'S MY QUESTION. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BACA ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S WHY I'M ACTUALLY VERY HAPPY THAT VICE PRESIDENT CRUZ ALWAYS MENTIONED COLLABORATING WITH MANAGEMENT IN A MORE -- IN A WAY WORKING BETTER THAN WHAT IT'S WORKING NOW. HAVING A RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR UNION IS VERY IMPORTANT. I WAS A MEMBER OF OUR UNION FOR A VERY LONG TIME. I AM -- WE'VE CONTINUED TO COLLABORATE WITH OUR UNION. WE'RE NOT ALWAYS SEEING EYE TO EYE ON EVERY ISSUE. EVEN OVER THE PAST YEAR, WE HAVE MET MONTHLY. LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATING WITH OUR UNION. I'M ABSOLUTELY COMMITTED TO CONTINUING TO COLLABORATE, REPAIR, IN MY SIDE. I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF, BUT TO REPAIR ANYTHING FROM MY SIDE. AND I HOPE THAT WE ARE MET HALFWAY BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO MOVE FORWARD. I THINK YOU SAID IT EXACTLY RIGHT. THERE'S TWO SIDES. AND WE HAVE TO MEET IN THE MIDDLE. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M HOPING IS THAT WE CAN MEET IN THE MIDDLE AND CONTINUE TO WORK TOGETHER. IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME WORK AND SOME EFFORT. >>COUN. PEÑA: COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THANK YOU, CHIEF. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. I KNOW SOMETHING YOU AND I TALKED A LOT ABOUT IS ATYPICAL STAFFING. I APPRECIATE YOU PUT SOME OF THAT IN THE REPORT. I WANTED TO ASK A SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT HOW YOU CALCULATE THAT. DOES THAT INCLUDE YOUR CADETS? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, OUR -- WITH THE MEMO I SENT YOU, THAT FRONT PAGE WITH THE CHART, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL STAFFING, AT THE BOTTOM IT DOES INCLUDE THE CADETS WE CURRENTLY HAVE. THE NUMBER IS A LITTLE BIT SKEWED BECAUSE I HAVE EIGHT FROM THE LAST CLASS THAT HAVE TO RETEST. AND THEY SHOULD BE OUT IN THE FIELD IN ABOUT 30 DAYS. WE HAVE 45 DAYS. THE NUMBERS HERE DOES INCLUDE FOR OUR FULL ROSTER. IN THE ATYPICAL DATA RELATED TO ENGINES THAT I SENT OVER, THE CADETS DATA IS NOT RELEVANT TO THOSE NUMBERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. I USED TO HAVE TO DO NURSING STAFFING. BUT I SEE IT'S VERY SIMILAR. I DO HAVE SOME KNOWLEDGE IN THIS AREA, BEING A LITTLE BASIC. MY GRAND FIRE WAS STATE FIRE MARSHAL SO I GREW UP LEARNING ABOUT WHAT YOU DMOOCH I HAVE -- I HAVE FIRES BACK. BUT I LEARNED FROM MY GRANDFATHER THE PEOPLE I HAVE TO HAVE THE BACK OF IS THE PEOPLE ON THE GROUND DOING THE WORK EVERY DAY. I TALKED TO THE GUYS AND WOMEN IN THE FIREHOUSES, AND THANK YOU WE HAVE TWO WOMEN IN DISTRICT SIX AT FIREHOUSE 11. I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT MAKING SURE -- MY PRIORITIES FOR THE FIRE SERVICE WERE NOT MET THESE LAST TWO YEARS. YOU AND I HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE BUNKS AND LIVING CONDITIONS AND THE WORKING CONDITIONS OF THE HOUSES IN MY DISTRICT THAT ARE THE BUSIEST IN THE COUNTRY AND HAVE THE SICKEST PATIENTS. FOR ME, CAN YOU TELL ME WHICH HOUSES -- YOU SAID THREE STATIONS WE'VE MOVED TO THE TWO -- ONE PARAMEDIC ON THE RESCUE, WHICH HOUSES WERE THOSE? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, THE THREE ADDITIONAL STATIONS WERE 11, 5, AND STATION 12 IN COUNCILOR GROUT'S DISTRICT. >>COUN. ROGERS: AGAIN, THE DISTRICT WITH HIGHEST ACUITY, THOSE ARE THE THREE HOUSES THAT ARE THE BUSIEST AND HAVE SICKEST PATIENTS. WHEN YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS IN FEBRUARY WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT MY ASK OF IF YOU'RE GOING TO ROLL THIS OUT, ROLL IT OUT IN THE HOUSES LOWER ACUITY AND LOWER CALL VOLUME. AND YOU ROLLED OUT AND IT WAS THE EXACT OPPOSITE. I THINK FOR ME THAT WAS HARD BECAUSE IT'S MOSTLY IN MY DISTRICT. EVEN THOUGH I KNOW WE HAD THE PILOT AND I WALKED TO THE FIREHOUSES THAT WERE RUNNING THIS WAY AND I HEARD FROM FIREFIGHTERS DIRECTLY. FOR ME, LOOKING AT WE CANNOT INCLUDE IN OUR STAFFING LEVELS CADETS NOT IN THE FIELD. THAT IS, FOR ME, A HARD STOP. I WANT TO SEE WHAT YOUR STAFFING LEVELS ARE WITHOUT THOSE CADETS BECAUSE THAT'S THE REALNESS OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE FIELD. THOSE CADETS ARE NOT TAKING CALLS. THEY'RE NOT TAKING THE PRESSURE OFF THE MEN AND WOMEN IN THE HOUSES NOW. I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT CHANGE TO ACTUALLY SEE WHAT THE DEFICIENCIES ARE, AND I KNOW YOU ARE WORKING HARD ON STAFFING AND THE CADET CLASSES ARE FULL AND WE'RE DOING WHAT WE NEED TO DO THERE. I APPRECIATE THAT. I JUST WANT TO SEE THE NUMBERS FOR WHAT IT'S LOOKING LIKE FOR THE MEN AND WOMEN DOING THE JOB NOW. THAT'S MY MOST IMPORTANT PIECE. I APPRECIATE IT IN YOUR MEMO ABOUT APPROVING AFR'S FIRST IN HOUSE EMT INTERMEDIATE PROGRAM. I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I ASKED FOR. WE DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH PEOPLE WANTING TO GO TO PARAMEDIC SCHOOL. IT'S AN ISSUE WE CAN'T TRAIN THEM AT THE RATE WE NEED THEM. THAT IS WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT. I THINK INTERMEDIATES WILL HELP FIL THAT GAP OF NOT HAVING THE OTHER PARAMEDICS. WHICH IS IMPORTANT FOR LIFE SAVING MEASURES. I KNOW THE PATIENT CARE IS NOT GOING TO FALTER BECAUSE THE MEN AND WOMEN WILL MAKE SURE OF THAT. BUT WHAT FALTERS IS THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE AND HOW THEY FEEL DOING THIS JOB. IT'S REALLY HARD FOR THE MEN AND WOMEN IN MY HOUSE RIGHT NOW WITH THIS STAFFING LEVEL. I JUST WANTED TO ASK A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS TO HELP ME. RETALIATION IS REALLY A PROBLEM FOR ME. I WANTED TO ASK YOU SPECIFICALLY WHY WAS IFF UNION NOT INCLUDED IN THE LAST CADET GRADUATION? EVERY GRADUATION I'VE GONE TO THEY'VE SPOKEN, THEY'VE BEEN SEATED WITH LEADERSHIP ON THE STAGE, AND THIS TIME -- THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE GONE TO SINCE WE'VE HAD THIS ISSUE HAPPENING BECAUSE I DIDN'T GET THE WIRES CROSSED ON THE CHANGE OF ADDRESS FOR THE LAST TWO. THIS IS A STARK DIFFERENCE. I WANT TO KNOW WHY THAT WAS. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, THE IFF WAS IN ATTENDANCE. VICE PRESIDENT CRUZ WAS IN ATTENDANCE BECAUSE PRESIDENT PITMAN WAS OUT OF TOWN. THIS IS THE SECOND GRADUATION WHERE THE IFF HASN'T SPOKE. WE TRIMMED DOWN THAT PROGRAM. IT'S A LONG GRADUATION ANYWAY. BUT WE DID HAVE THE IFF IN ATTENDANCE. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. WHY DIDN'T ANY REPRESENTATIVE -- WHY WEREN'T THEY ALLOWED TO SPEAK OR BE ON THE STAGE WITH LEADERSHIP? >> COUNCILOR ROGERS, I DID NOT SEE ON THE STAGE OUR CAPTAIN. WE HAVE A PUBLIC AFFAIRS GROUP THAT DOES THE SEATING. I DID NOT CONTROL THE SEATING ON THE STAGE THAT NIGHT. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU. MADAM PRESIDENT, FOR ME, IT FELT -- IT JUST FELT WRONG TO NOT HAVE -- I'VE ALWAYS SEEN IN GRADUATIONS HAPPEN. I THINK FOR ME I HAD TO ASK THAT QUESTION. CAN I ASK MR. PITMAN SOME QUESTIONS? COME ON UP. >>COUN. PEÑA: COUNCILOR ROGERS, WE'RE GOING TO LET HIM DO SOME PUBLIC SPEAKING. WE HAVE OTHER COUNCILORS THAT HAVE QUESTIONS AND YOU CAN ASK THAT QUESTIONS DURING PUBLIC COMMENT. >>COUN. ROGERS: I'M SORRY, MADAM PRESIDENT. I THOUGHT PUBLIC COMMENT WAS FINISHED. >>COUN. PEÑA: I WAS NOTIFIED HE WAS BACK. I GUESS HE WAS DELAYED. >>COUN. ROGERS: I CAN WAIT AND ASK THOSE QUESTIONS. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU SO MUCH. ARE YOU AT THE END OF YOUR QUESTIONING? >>COUN. ROGERS: POTENTIALLY, I MIGHT HAVE QUESTIONS FOR CHIEF AFTER I TALK TO MR. PITMAN. >>COUN. PEÑA: OKAY. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. . >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. I'VE RECEIVED QUITE A FEW PHONE CALLS FROM CONSTITUENTS FROM DISTRICT SEVEN OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS. I JUST WANTED TO RELAY WHAT THOSE CALLS WERE. SEVERAL FOLKS CALLED SAY I REALLY HOPE YOU'RE VOTING TO RECONFIRM CHIEF JARAMILLO BECAUSE WHEN I HAD AN INCIDENT AT MY HOUSE THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED. THIS WAS THE AMAZING SERVICE I RECEIVED FROM THE MEN AND WOMEN AT AFR. TWO OF THEM SAID I HAD DIRECT RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE CHIEF AFTER WHAT IS OFTEN THE WORST THING THAT'S HAPPENED IN SOMEONE'S LIFE. I WAS REALLY TOUCHED BY THOSE CALLS. YRJ -- I JUST WANT TO RELAY THAPGZ AND GRATITUDE AND I ALSO JUST WANT TO SAY I KNOW VERY LITTLE ABOUT BEING A FIREFIGHTER. EVERYTHING I KNOW IS SOMETHING FROM YOU. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS OF ALWAYS ANSWERING MY CALLS, ALWAYS ANSWERING MY SOMETIMES QUITE RIDICULOUS QUESTIONS. EVERYTHING FROM HOW DO YOU HANDLE ANIMALS IN SITUATIONS, TO HOW DOES STAFFING WORK, TO HOW ARE WE DEALING WITH OUR UNHOUSED NEIGHBORS. AND YOU HAVE ANSWERED EVERY ONE OF MY CALLS AND EVERY ONE OF MY QUESTIONS. THOROUGHLY, COMPLETELY, AND WITHOUT ANY JUDGMENT EVERY TIME. I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR THAT. >>COUN. PEÑA: COUNCILOR TELLES. >>COUN. TELLES: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. HELLO, CHIEF JARAMILLO. HOW ARE YOU? THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. THANK YOU FOR SENDING YOUR MEMO, FIRST OF ALL. IT WAS REALLY HELPFUL. AND I AM DEFINITELY PLEASED WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION THERE, OBVIOUSLY. BUT THERE ARE, OBVIOUSLY, SOME GAPS. IT SHOWS STRONG OPERATIONS LEADERSHIP. I SEE ACTIVE WORKFORCE PIPELINES. AND THERE IS COMMITMENT TO STAFFING COVERAGE. WHAT I AM ALSO SEEING IS $8 MILLION IN OVERTIME. AND I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT HOW OUR BUDGET REQUESTS ARE GOING WITH REGARD TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT. I KNOW, AND WE KNOW, THANK YOU COUNCILOR ROGERS FOR ASKING ABOUT VACANCIES, BECAUSE VACANCIES ARE NOT CURRENTLY CONSIDERING WORKERS ON LEAVE. THEY'RE NOT ACCOUNTING FOR RANDOM CALL-OFFICE OR FORCED HIRES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, CORRECT? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR TELLES, THAT'S CORRECT. THE VACANCIES THAT WE HAVE REPORTED HERE, MOST OF THESE POSITIONS ON THIS DOCUMENT ARE ASSIGNED TO A POSITION IN THE FIELD OR IN A SUPPORT DIVISION. WE HAVE A HANDFUL OF FIREFIGHTERS ON EACH SHIFT THAT ARE ALSO ASSIGNED TO A FLOATING POSITION. THE STAFFING LEVELS DO NOT ACCOUNT FOR ALL OF THE REASONS THAT A FIREFIGHTER MIGHT BE OFF. THAT'S WHERE OUR VACANIES HAPPEN. SOME OF THEM ARE CREATED INTERNALLY, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE 25 PEOPLE IN PARAMEDIC SCHOOL. WHICH IS GREAT. ALL VOLUNTARY. WE DIDN'T HAVE TO FORCE THIS YEAR, WHICH IS AWESOME. WE ALSO HAD 25 PEOPLE IN PARAMEDIC SCHOOL, WHICH MEANS I HAVE 25 PEOPLE OUT OF THE FIELD. MEANING THEY'RE LIKELY BACKFILLED WITH OVERTIME. BECAUSE IF WE EXHAUST OUR FLOATING POOL. >>COUN. TELLES: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. WHEN WE -- HIRING -- I UNDERSTAND WE'RE ADDING POSITIONS HERE. ARE THESE THE POSITIONS YOU NEED? RIGHT NOW. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR TELLES, WHICH POSITION SPECIFICALLY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT ADDING? >>COUN. TELLES: THE FLOATER. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR TELLES, FOR EXAMPLE LAST YEAR WHEN WE ADDED ENGINE 23, WE REQUESTED AN ADDITIONAL TWO TO THREE POSITIONS. I CAN'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT FLOAT POOL. EVERY TIME WE HAVE ASKED FOR POSITIONS IN THE FIELD, WE ASK FOR THOSE ADDITIONAL POSITION FOR THE FLOAT POOL. WE'VE BEEN GRANTED EVERY TIME WE'VE STAFFED IN THE FIELD IN THE PAST ASKS THAT I'M AWARE OF. WE'VE RECEIVED THAT FLOAT POOL. >>COUN. TELLES: I UNDERSTAND THERE'S NATIONWIDE WORKFORCE SHORTAGE, IN GENERAL, ON PARAMEDICS. IS THAT CORRECT? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR TELLES, YES, THAT'S CORRECT. >>COUN. TELLES: WE ARE BACKFILLING THAT IN SOME FUN, CREATIVE WAYS. WE HAVE PARAMEDIC SCHOOLS. FIREFIGHTERS, SIX MONTHS. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE EMT LICENSE, INTERMEDIATE, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR TELLES, EMT INTERMEDIATE IS ADVANCED EMT. IT IS SHORTER TRAINING. WE CAN TRAIN AN INTERMEDIATE IN ABOUT EIGHT WEEKS. THEY COUPLE VERY WELL WITH PARAMEDICS BECAUSE THEY CAN PERFORM, AS COUNCILOR ROGERS MENTIONED. IT'S NOT AS INTENSIVE TRAINING. BUT IT IS A GREAT WAY TO BOOST WORKFORCE WITH ALS PROVIDERS WITHOUT HAVING TO SEND SOMEBODY TO SCHOOL FOR A YEAR. WHAT WE'VE DECIDED TO DO BECAUSE OF OUR STAFFING CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE HAVING TO TRY TO REDUCE FORCE HIRES OR ATYPICALS, WE DIDN'T WANT TO PULL PEOPLE OUT OF THE FIELD TO ATTEND INTERMEDIATE SCHOOL FOR 25 OUT FOR PARAMEDIC SCHOOL. WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THIS CADET CLASS, AS THOSE OFFIA YOU THAT WE MOVED EMT TO MOVE TO THE BEGINNING AND GET THEM READY FOR THE ACADEMY. WHAT WE'RE DOING IS THE CADETS THAT CAME WITHOUT AN EMT LICENSE ARE EMT BASICS. WE HIRED 16 CADETS THAT HAVE AN EMT BASIC LICENSE. THEY'RE ACTUALLY GETTING THE INTERMEDIATE TRAINING PRIOR TO STARTING THE ACADEMY SO I DON'T PULL FROM STAFFING, BUT I'M ABLE TO BOOST NUMBERS OF INTERMEDIATES. ONCE THESE CADETS GRADUATE, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO HELP WITH THAT ALS RESPONSE WORKING WITH THE PARAMEDICS. SDMRT THANK YOU, . >>COUN. TELLES: THANK YOU, CHIEF. HAS THE ALS EXPANSION CHANGED PATIENT OUTCOMES? WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE TIMES? AND DO YOU THINK -- I'M SORRY. THREE-PART QUESTION. WHAT POINT DO YOU THINK FLOATERS BECOME A PERMANENT STAFFING DEPENDENCY? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR TELLES, I MISSED THE SECOND PART OF THE QUESTION. I HEARD THE THE FIRST PART, RESPONSE TIMES. WHAT WAS THE SECOND PART? I MISSED THE SECOND PART. >>COUN. TELLES: YOU KNOW WHAT, IT WENT OUT OF MY BRAIN. >> THAT'S OKAY. THIS DATA IS PRELIMINARY. OUR WORKING GROUP SUBMITTED SOME DATA. AND I JUST RECEIVED IT YESTERDAY. I HAVEN'T HAD A TIME TO SHARE THIS WITH ANYONE. THE DATA FROM THE STATIONS THAT ARE PRIMARILY COUNCILOR ROGERS'S DISTRICT BUT ALSO COUNCILOR GROUT, ON DELTA CALLS, WHICH IS ONE OF THE MOST SERIOUS CALLS. ECHO IS LIKE A CARDIAC ARREST, DELTA IS A VERY SERIOUS LIFE-THREATENING EMERGENCY. FOR PATIENTS RIGHT NOW THAT LIVE IN COUNCILOR ROGERS'S DISTRICT, A PARAMEDIC IS GETTING ON SCENE OVER A MINUTE. IT'S AVERAGING 71 SECONDS FASTER THAN WHEN WE WERE IN THE TRADITIONAL MODEL. ON AN ECHO, WHICH THAT KNOWS, ANYONE THAT KNOWS CPC, KNOWS MINUTES MATTER. ON ECHO CALLS, PARAMEDIC IS GETTING ON SCENE OVER16 SECONDS, ALMOST TWO MINUTES FASTER THAN THE OLD MODEL. WE'RE SEEING WE'RE GETTING PARAMEDICS ON SCENE FASTER IN THIS CURRENT MODEL THAT WE'RE USING. >>COUN. TELLES: I UNDERSTAND WE'RE AT THREE PLATOON STAFFING MODEL. THAT'S SUPPORTED WITH BACKFILL, RIGHT? SO, YOU'RE COMPLIANT WITH NFTA STAFFING STANDARDS? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR TELLES YES. WE TALKED ABOUT STAFFING DAILY. IT'S BEEN A PRIORITY FOR THE EIGHT YEARS. IT SOMETIMES FEELS LIKE THE UNSOLVE PROBLEM IN THE FIRE SERVICE. WE WORKED ON ADMINISTRATIVE INSTRUCTION TO MEMORIALIZE FOUR FIREFIGHTERS TO AN ENGINE. WE STRIVE TO ALWAYS STAFF THAT WAY. UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN WE EXHAUSTED OVERTIME LISTS, THERE'S OTHER THINGS I DO. IF IT'S MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, I CAN MOVE PEOPLE FROM SUPPORT DIVISION. PEOPLE THAT WORKED IN THE FIRE MARSHALES OFFICE, TRAINING, THEY HAVE SUPPORT FIELD DAY. I MOVE THEM OUT TO MAINTAIN STAFFING LEVELS. ONCE ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE EXHAUSTED, IF IT'S THE FIRST DAY OF THE SHIFT, I CAN HOLD FIREFIGHTERS OVER, WHICH IS FORCED OVERTIME. WHICH IS NOT IDEAL. BECAUSE IT'S FORCED OVERTIME. BUT THAT'S TO MAINTAIN SAFE STAFFING LEVEL. IF IT'S DAY TWO OF THE SHIFT, THAT'S WHEN WE SEE ATYPICAL TRUCKS. ATYPICAL IS THREE FIREFIGHTERS ON THE ENGINE. WE HAVE BASICALLY A MULTI-TIERED DROPDOWN OF WHO GETS MOVED WHERE TO TRY TO AVOID THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. >>COUN. TELLES: MADAM PRESIDENT. THREE ON THE ENGINE, BUT DOES THAT STILL ENSURE THAT THERE ARE TWO ON THE RESCUE? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR TELLES YES. THERE'S ALWAYS TWO FIREFIGHTERS ON THE ENGINE. I WANT TO TOUCH ON WHEN WE DEHAVE THREE FIREFIGHTERS ON THE ENGINE, WE HAVE POLICY IF THEY FEEL THEY NEED MORE MAN POWER FOR A CALL THEY CAN REQUEST AN ADDITIONAL RESOURCE. I THINK IT DOESN'T HAPPEN VERY RARELY DO I EVER HEAR THAT IN ENGINE CALLS FOR AN ADDITIONAL ENGINE TO RESPOND WITH THEM. THEY DO HAVE THAT ABILITY IF THEY FEEL LIKE THEY NEED MORE FIREFIGHTERS ON A CALL. STAFFING ON A RESCUE IS ALWAYS TWO FIREFIGHTERS. WE DON'T DROP A RESCUE DOWN TO ONE FIREFIGHTER. >>COUN. TELLES: MADAM PRESIDENT. FOR YOUR CADETS, ARE INTERMEDIATE CLASSES BEING OFFERED TO CADETS AND CURRENT FIREFIGHTERS? HOW IS THAT WORKING? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR TELLES, THAT IS PART OF OUR VISION IS TO OFFER INTERMEDIATE TRAINING TO OUR FIREFIGHTERS. RIGHT NOW, I EXPRESSED THIS TO LABOR BECAUSE THIS IS AN ISSUE WE TALKED QUITE A BIT ABOUT OVER THE PAST TWO WEEKS. THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE THERE IS THAT WOULD PULL 12 OR MORE FIREFIGHTERS FROM THE FIELD AND MAKESTUFFING THAT MUCH HARDER. >>COUN. TELLES: IT PROBABLY MAKES THINGS DIFFICULT WHEN YOU HAVE AN OPERATING BUDGET OF $2 MILLION RIGHT NOW. IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ABOUT $8 MILLION, THE TOTAL COST FOR OPERATING. BUT YOU HAVE A BUDGET OF 2. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR TELLES, OUR FULL OPERATING BUDGET IS AROUND $132 MILLION. $122 MILLION IS IN STAFFING. IN WAGES FOR THE DEPARTMENT. AND THAT LEAVES US WITH THE REMAINDER. ABOUT $10 MILLION THAT GOES TO DIFFERENT THINGS. TRANSFERS TO UTILITIES. DO THE MATH BACKWARDS. IT GETS US -- WE ALSO HAVE FIRE FUNDS. BECAUSE WE HAVE AN ISO ONE RATING, THE STATE PAYS FIRE FUNDS OUT TO THE DEPARTMENTS BASED ON ISO RATING. THAT'S THE WAY WE'RE EVALUATED FOR OUR SERVICE. OUR FIRE FUND IS AVENUE THAT WE GET EVERY YEAR FOR HAVING AN ISO WE GET A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR EACH MAIN STATION AND SUBSTATION IN THE DEPARTMENT. AND THAT MONEY THAT COMES IN HELPS US BUY FIRE ENGINES, STATION REPAIRS. THAT IS ALSO MONEY WE RECEIVE THAT IS SPECIFIC GENERALLY TO STATION REPAIRS AND FIRE TRUCKS. OF COURSE, ANOTHER REVENUE THAT A LOT OF OUR DEPARTMENTS RECEIVE IS GO BONDS. YES, IF WE'RE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT OPERATING, THAT BREAKS US DOWN TO THERE. >>COUN. TELLES: MADAM PRESIDENT, I PROMISE I'M ALMOST DONE. I'M A YAPPER. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE 122 FOR PERSONNEL, IS THAT INCLUDING THE $7 MILLION OF OVERTIME? >> I DON'T BELIEVE THE 122 INCLUDES OVERTIME. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR TELLES YES. IT'S A DIFFERENT LINE ITEM THAN WHAT WE HAVE. >>COUN. TELLES: IT'S A DIFFERENT LINE ITEM? >> YES. >>COUN. TELLES: OKAY. IF WE WERE TO ACTUALLY PROVIDE MORE STE TO BETTER SUPPORT ACTUAL VACANCY RATES THAT ACCOUNT FOR WORKERS ON LEAVE, THAT ACCOUNT FOR RANDOM CALL-OFFS, IS THAT LESS THAN OR EQUAL TO $7 MILLION OR $8 MILLION? IF WE'RE FUNDING STE PROPERLY. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR TELLES, WE -- THE MORE FLOAT POOL WE, THE LESS WE PULL PEOPLE FOR OVERTIME SHIFTS. SO, THAT'S AN INTERESTING CONCEPT BECAUSE IT TAKES -- AS YOU ASK AND I DISCUSSED, SIX NUNTS MONTH TO TRAIN A FIREFIGHTER. IT COULD TAKE 12-PLUS YEAR TO BECOME A BATTALION CHIEF. USING THAT FUNDING, THAT WE'RE USING FOR OVERTIME, HIRING FIREFIGHTER WOULD HELP IN SOME AREAS. I DON'T THINK IT WOULD RESOLVE ALL OF THE ISSUES BECAUSE IT WOULD TAKE QUITE SOME TIME. LIKE FOR PARAMEDICS AND SOME OF THE POSITIONS THAT TAKE MORE TIME TO TRAIN INTO, IT WOULD TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO GET THEM INTO THAT LEVEL. >>COUN. TELLES: I KNOW WE MOVE THINGS AROUND. WITHOUT OPERATING AT $2.8 MILLION, BUT ACTUALS ARE 10.7, WHERE IS THAT EXTRA EIGHT COMING FROM? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR TELLES, OUR BUDGET -- I'VE BEEN A PART OF THIS ADMINISTRATION FOR EIGHT YEARS. AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT OUR OPERATING BUDGET EVERY YEAR. AND WE HAVE OUR PROJECTIONS AND WE HAVE END UP AT THE FISCAL YEAR. WE TRY TO BE STRATEGIC. THERE MIGHT BE ACCOUNTS WE'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND DOWN TO TRY TO COME IN AS CLOSE TO BUDGET AS WE CAN. WHENEVER WE MAKE THOSE DECISIONS, WE MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT -- IT'S NOT EQUIPMENT OR ANYTHING. WE DON'T WANT ANY OF THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND TO FEEL LIKE WE MIGHT BE NOT SPENDING DOWN AN ACCOUNT. WE'RE NOT NOT GOING TO REPAIR H-VRBG AC OR GET THEM EQUIPMENT WE NEED. WE HAVE OUR PROJECTION, WHICH IS AROUND THAT AND WE HAVE WHERE WE COME IN WHICH IS USUALLY MUCH LOWER THAN THAT. AND THEN, WHEN THE CITY SENDS OVER THE BUDGET AT THE END, WE GENERALLY GET MADE WHOLE BY THE GENERAL FUND OR ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT THAT MAYBE CAME IN UNDER. >>COUN. TELLES: MADAM PRESIDENT, ONE LAST QUESTION. I PROMISE. I GUESS CHIEF JARAMILLO, OR DR. SENGEL, HOW ARE WE TYING ANY SORT OF -- DO WE HAVE PERFORMANCE DEFINITIONS? DO WE HAVE ANY SORT OF BASELINE REQUIREMENTS? WHAT TYPE OF REGULAR REPORTING IS TIED DIRECTLY TOFUNDING DECISIONS AND HOW YOU'RE CREATING THIS BUDGET TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE APPROPRIATELY FUNDING SO WE ARE CONSIDERING THESE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS WHEN LOOKING AT THE REAL VACANCY RATE? AND HOW WE'RE ALLOCAING THE BUDGET REQUESTS. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE GOVERNANCE BEHIND IT. BECAUSE I DON'T SEE IT. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR TELLES, WE ARE WORKING HAND AND HAND WITH THE DEPARTMENT. WE CONTINUE TO MEET WITH THEM TO TRY TO RESTRUCTURE THEIR BUDGET CORRECTLY. ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT HAPPENS IS WE'RE RESTRUCTURING. A FEW DEPARTMENTS ARE UNIQUE. A VACANCY, DOESN'T REALLY CREATE VACANCY SAVINGS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY THERE. LIKE A SOLID WASTE WORKER AND POLICE DEPARTMENT. IT ACTUALLY COSTS YOU MONEY WHEN YOU HAVE THOSE VACANCIES. TRYING TO GET THOSE VACANCIES FILLED IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN RESTRUCTURING TO DO BECAUSE WE NEED PEOPLE THERE AND THAT'S WHY IT COSTS MORE AND THAT'S WHY THE OVERTIME GETS HIGH BECAUSE IT'S UNANTICIPATED. WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THINGS SUCH AS PEOPLE ON FMLA, PARENTAL LEAVE. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE DON'T KNOW THROUGHOUT THE YEAR IS RETIREMENT. WE MAY BE HAVING PEOPLE IN THE ACADEMY, BUT YOU HAVE TO FILL THE RETIREMENT RATE AS WELL AS HALF OF THOSE HADDINGS IT'S AN ONGOING THING WE WORK WITH THE CHIEF THROUGHOUT THE YEAR TO MAKE SURE WE DO OUR BEST TO PROJECT THE BUDGET AND ADJUST IT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AND WE DO IT AT THE YEAR END CLEAN UP TO MAKE SURE THEY MEET BUDGET. >>COUN. TELLES: THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. CHIEF, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU FOR BEING ALWAYS ACCESSIBLE. I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN SOME DISAGREEMENTS BETWEEN THE UNION AND YOURSELF. I DO HOPE THAT YOU CAN HAVE A COMPROMISE. COUNCILOR BASSAN SAID IT MOST ELOQUENTLY. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN ALSO SAID THE SAME THINGS THAT I WOULD SAY. YOU HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ACCESSIBLE. YOU ALWAYS RETURN CALLS. AND I KNOW THAT IT BREAKS MY HEART TO SEE THIS FRICTION. AND WE HAVE A DUTY TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY. AND OUR FIREFIGHTERS, I JUST -- EVERY DAY I'M GRATEFUL FOR THEM MORE AND MORE. THE THINGS I SEE THAT THEY DO AND I COULDN'T DO THEIR JOB. WE NEED TO LISTEN TO THEM. I KNOW THAT YOUR TEAM BEHIND YOU THEY RESPECT YOU GREATLY. AND THAT MAKES ME HAPPY TOO. MY REQUEST WOULD BE THAT YOU WORK VERY HARD, VERY HARD, AND COMPROMISE. YOU NEED TO MAKE SOME MORE COMPROMISES. I KNOW YOU PROBABLY HAVE. THERE'S TWO SIDES. BUT I THINK THAT -- I WANT TO SEE CHANGE. I WANT TO SEE SMILES ON EVERYBODY'S FACES. I DO SUPPORT YOU AND THE WORK YOU DO AND THE WORK YOU DO IN THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, CHIEF, ONE LAST BRIEF CONVERSATION. YOU AND I HAD A BIG DISAGREEMENT THIS LAST YEAR. AS WELL AS WITH A MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL. WHAT I BELIEVE IS A MAJORITY OF YOUR -- THE PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR YOU. THE UNION THAT REPRESENTS, LET'S JUST SAY A MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR YOU. WE ALL A BIG DISAGREEMENT. AGAIN, I THINK YOU ARE SINCERE ABOUT IT. AND I THINK THAT WE WERE VERY SINCERE ABOUT IT. THERE'S SOME PRETTY DEEP HELD BELIEFS AND A DIFFERENCE IN THIS SPECIFICALLY REGARDING THAT ALS EXPANSION AND TWO PARAMEDICS ON A RESCUE. I THINK THERE WERE GREAT CASES TO BE MADE. AND VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT IT. AND WHETHER WE COULD HOLD YOU TO THAT WITH A LAW THAT WAS PASSED BY THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL, WHETHER THE UNION AND YOUR WORKERS COULD HOLD YOU TO IT OR NOT, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT WITH LAWS AND ORDINANCE CHANGES OR EVEN WITH LAWSUITS THAT ARE FILED AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHATEVER IT TURNS OUT WITH ALL THESE THINGS, WHAT KIND OF WAIT DO YOU GIVE THAT? WHEN YOU MAKE DECISIONS AS A LEADER, WHAT KIND OF WAIT DO YOU GIVE THIS COUNCIL, ME, THE -- LET'S JUST SAY A VERY LARGE GROUP OF YOUR WORKERS. WHEN YOU MAKE DECISIONS, WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF WEIGHT YOU GIVE TO THAT DECISION REGARDING THOSE OPINIONS? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, AS FIRE CHIEF, THERE ARE MULTIPLE AREAS THAT I HAVE TO CONSIDER. IT INCLUDES THE WEIGHT OF THE CITY LEADERSHIP, COUNCIL, FIREFIGHTERS, THE PUBLIC, THAT AS AN EXPECTATION OF OUR DEPARTMENT AS WELL. AND THOSE ARE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'RE CONSTANTLY HAVING IN OUR DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS. WE HAVE DISAGREEMENTS. WE HAVE PROCESSES IN PLACE TO RESOLVE THOSE DISAGREEMENTS THROUGH OUR LABOR BOARD. AND AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN PART OF OUR ADMINISTRATION, THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES THAT THE UNION HAS FILED PBC AGAINST ADMINISTRATION OR VICE VERSA. AND WE HAVE THIS GREAT SYSTEM IN THE CITY WHERE THE LABOR BOARD IS ABLE TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS, LIKE HERE'S A DISPUTE AND HERE'S A BOARD OF EXPERTS THAT CAN RESOLVE THAT CONFLICT AND DISPUTE. GENERALLY, WHEN WE DO HAVE A DISPUTE OR DISAGREEMENT OR DIFFERENCE OF OPINION, HOWEVER WE WANT TO FRAME THAT, WHEN IT GOES TO THE LABOR BOARD, IF BOTH SIDES BELIEVE THEY'RE CORRECT, WE HAVE A THIRD PARTY THAT REVIEWS BOTH SIDES OF ISSUE AND MAKE DETERMINATION. WE RESPECT THAT ISSUE AND MOVE FORWARD. WE HAVE WONDERFUL BOARDS AND PROCESSES IN PLACE TO HELP US NAVIGATE THE DIFFICULTIES OF RUNNING OUR ORGANIZATION AND TAKING CARE OF OURWORK FRS AND MAKING SURE WE'RE NOT VIOLATING ANY RIGHTS. I ASK WE CONTINUE TO RELY ON THOSE BOARDS. THAT IS WHAT GIVES US STRENGTH IN THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR UNION. AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE'VE HAD THESE DISPUTES -- THIS ISN'T THE FIRST DISPUTE OUR ADMINISTRATION HAS HAD WITH WITH THE UNION. DECISIONS ARE MADE. AND WE GET OUR DIRECTIVES FROM THE LABOR BOARD AND WE GO BACK AND WE RESOLVE IT WITH THE UNION. AND I WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT. BUT AS FAR AS WHEN I'M MAKING DECISIONS, THERE ARE A LOT OF FACTORS THAT THE FIRE CHIEF HAS TO CONSIDER AND THAT INCLUDES INPUT. IT ALSO INCLUDES A LOT OF OTHER VARIABLES IN THIS ROLE. THAT IS SOMETHING I TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY AS A PROFESSIONAL IN THIS ORGANIZATION. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, CHIEF, LIKE I SAID, REGARDLESS OF THE ICC, THE DISTRICT COURT, THE LABOR BOARD, HOWEVER THESE THINGS TURN OUT. IF YOU'RE SAYING LET'S LET THE COURTS DECIDE WHEN WE HAVE DIFFERENCE OF OPINION, ICC, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE SAYING THAT. I THINK YOU'RE ACKNOWLEDGING THE PROCESS. I'M ASKING YOU REGARDLESS OF THAT, YOU HAD A STRONG OPINION OF THIS GOVERNING BODY AS WELL AS THE MAJORITY OF YOUR FIREFIGHTERS MEDICS. WHAT KIND OF WEIGHT? 30% 5%? IN YOUR DECISIONMAKING AS CHIEF, IS IT 1% WHEN YOU'RE MAKING DECISION? >> I DON'T HAVE A BREAKDOWN OF PERCENTAGE IN MY HEAD. I TAKE ALL THE FACTS. AND OPINIONS. AND DATA. BECAUSE I AM ALSO VERY INTERESTED IN DATA. AND I LOOK AT WHAT THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY IS. AND THE RESOURCES THAT I HAVE THE FIREFIGHTERS. AND I MAKE A DECISION THERE. I DON'T HAVE A PERCENTAGE OF WEIGHT OF SOMEBODY'S DECISION IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN OTHER. IT'S MY JOB TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT IMPACT PUBLIC SAFETY AND EACH DECISION IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT BASED ON FACTORS. I DON'T HAVE A PERCENTAGE I CAN ASSIGN TO ANY ANYONE GROUP OR BODY. >>COUN. PEÑA: OKAY. I'M GOING TO ASK MR. PITMAN TO COME IN. WE'LL CONCLUDE QUESTIONS. I'LL MAKE MY COMMENTS TO JUST SAY. WE OPENED THE FIRST FIRE STATION IN 20 YEARS IN MY DISTRICT. REALLY PROUD OF THAT. THE YOUNG MAN IN CHARGE THERE IS OUR NEIGHBOR'S SON. I'M REALLY PROUD OF ALL THE WORK THEY'RE DOING OUT THERE. AND ALSO WE PUT THE NEW FIRE TRUCK AT THE OTHER STATION. THERE'S LOT OF GOOD THINGS HAPPENING. I'M JUST GOING TO REITERATE WHAT EVERYONE HERE ON THE DAIS -- I DON'T THINK IF EVERYONE IS SAYING, BUT WE REALLY WANT TO SEE THE SPIRIT OF COLLABORATION AND TRANSPARENCY. THE ADMINISTRATION IS DOING A LOT OF THINGS TO EXTEND THE OLIVE BRANCH. WE ARE TOO. AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE THE DIRECTORS HERE. SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO PUT DOWN OUR PRIDE AND COME TOGETHER AND WORK TOGETHER TO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS. IT WAS A VERY CONTENTIOUS YEAR BEING IN A LEGAL BATTLE. KNOWING WE SUPPORT FIRE AND WE ALSO SUPPORT THE UNION. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU GO BACK AND WORK WITH THE UNION BECAUSE, FIRST AND FOREMOST, NO MATTER WHAT DECISIONS YOU'RE MAKING THEY IMPACT THE WORKERS THAT WORK UNDER YOU. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE GOOD WORKING CONDITIONS. ANY TIME THEIR JOB IS CHANGED, I THINK IT'S REALLY A MATTER OF NEGOTIATIONS. JUST NOT IMPLEMENTING THOSE THINGS ON OUR EMPLOYEES WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS AND A STRONG BELIEVER IN UNIONS AND WHAT THAT MEANS FOR WORKING CONDITIONS. I JUST REALLY HOPE THAT YOU GUYS CAN DO THAT AS WELL. WE TRIED TO DO IT. AND HOPE YOU GUYS CAN DO. I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH BOTH OF YOU BECAUSE THERE'S PEOPLE IN THERE AND SOMETIMES EGOS. AND PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY JUST TRYING TO REPRESENT LOTS OF PEOPLE THAT WORK UNDER YOU AS WELL. AND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT -- I'M HEARING EVERYBODY HERE WHO SPOKE ON YOUR BEHALF, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT -- COUNCILOR BACA ALLUDED TO THAT, THE RANK AND FILE TO COME HERE TOO. SAYING WE DON'T ALWAYS AGREE, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE WORK TOGETHER TO DO GOOD FOR PUBLIC SAFETY HERE IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. THANK YOU, CHIEF. IF YOU WILL TAKE A SEAT AND WE'LL TAKE A VOTE. I'LL ASK MR. PITMAN TO COME UP DURING PUBLIC COMMENT. YOU HAVE THE STANDARD TWO MINUTES UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS QUESTIONS FOR YOU. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT. A LOT HAS BEEN SAID. I JUST WANT TO REITERATE AND ECHO SOME OF THE SENTIMENTS FOR MANY OF YOU. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT YOUR CONSTITUENTS GET WILL NEVER WAVER WITH THESE FIREFIGHTERS BEHIND ME. THAT WILL ALWAYS BE TRUE. THE CRUX OF THE ISSUE WITH US IS COLLECTIVE BARGAINING. THAT'S WHAT UNIONS ARE FOR. THIS HAS BEEN A VERY LARGE CHANGE IN WORKING CONDITIONS. I'M A FAN OF THE FIRE CHIEF. WE WERE FRIENDS BEFORE AND I HOPE WE WILL BE FRIENDS AFTER. I TRAINED SOME OF THE FIREFIGHTERS. I WAS TRAINING A LOT. WE HAVE THE BEST FIRE DEPARTMENT IN THE COUNTRY. WE TRAINED AT A LEVEL THAT OTHER DEPARTMENTS DON'T. AND THE LEVEL OF SERVICE WE GET OR GIVE IS WHAT WE ALL DESIRE. I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT I GOT TWO? >>COUN. PEÑA: YOU CAN PROCEED. >> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. SOME OF THE LARGEST ISSUES IS WHEN YOU HEAR THREE MEN ENGINE YOU SHOULD WORRY. IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE NOT ONLY FOR FIREFIGHTERS BUT FOR CONSTITUENTS. THE LEVEL OF SERVICE DIMINISHES NOT BASED OFF OF TRAINING OR WILL. YOU WANT A SAFER FIRE DEPARTMENT, HIRE MORE FIREFIGHTERS. ENSURE THE STANDARDS ARE MET. EVERY SINGLE DAY WE HAVE A FIRE TRUCK RESPOND WITH THREE FIREFIGHTERS IS A SAFETY ISSUE. WE WANT TO WORK TOGETHER WITH THE ADMINISTRATION. WE WANT TO BE PART OF THE SOLUTION. I WANT TO ECHO WHAT MY NEW VICE PRESIDENT AND HOPEFULLY BRIDGE THE POINT TO HELP US BRIDGE THIS GAP THIS NEXT YEAR AND BEYOND. THAT'S WHAT WE WANT. YES, WE HAVE SOME DISAGREEMENTS. BUT THE FOUNDATION OF OUR STANCE IS COLLECTIVE BARGAINING. THAT'S WHAT UNIONS ARE FOR. WHEN THERE'S CHANGING IN WORKING CONDITION, OR BID SYSTEM, OR HOW WE RESPOND, WE DESERVE TO BE AT THE TABLE. I KNOW YOU BELIEVE THAT. AND THAT'S IT. I JUST WANT TO ECHO WE SUPPORT THE FORWARD MOVEMENT OF THIS DEPARTMENT COLLECTIVELY BETWEEN THE UNION, ADMINISTRATION AND YOURSELF. I LOOK FORWARD TO HOW WE CAN EDUCATE YOU. I SPOKE WITH EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU AND STAFFING IS NOT EASY TO UNDERSTAND. YOU UNDERSTANDING IT WILL HELP US FILL THOSE GAPS. I'M EXCITED TO HAVE THE FORENSIC AUDITOR ON THE COUNCIL TO HELP. COUNCILOR, I CAN TELL YOU UNDERSTAND. IT TOOK A WHILE FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND IT. AND I THINK THAT I LOOK FORWARD TO DISSECTING THIS PROBLEM TOGETHER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAVE. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I APPRECIATE THE ABILITY TO ASK TWO QUESTIONS. ONE, CHIEF MENTIONED FORCED OVERTIME ON THE FIRST DAY OFF. CAN YOU EXPLAIN IN YOUR EXPERIENCE FROM YOUR MEMBERS HOW OFTEN THAT'S HAPPENING? >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, FORCED OVERTIME IS SOMETHING WE DON'T LIKE. CURRENTLY, LEGALLY, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HOLD SOMEBODY OVER FROM THEIR 48-HOUR OVERTIME. I'M SORRY, FROM 48-HOUR SHIFT. NEXT SHIFT, THEY CAN HOLD THEM OVER AND FORCE THEM TO WORK OVERTIME. WE'VE NEVER AGREED TO FORCED OVERTIME. WE THINK THE MENTAL HEALTH AND HEALTH OF FIREFIGHTERS IS FIRST AND FOREMOST. IT'S ALREADY STRAINING. AND BACK TO THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT STAFFING AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO COLLECTIVELY DO THAT. WE HAVE TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE. OUR DISAGREEMENTS COME FROM THE FACT THAT OUR FIREFIGHTERS ARE SUFFERING BECAUSE ON THE STAFFING IMBALANCE. IT'S NOT A NUMBER ON THE SIDE WHERE THERE'S A NEGATIVE VACANCY. IT'S ABOUT BALANCING AND PRIORITIZING RESPONSE TO FIRE TRUCKS THAT RESPOND TO CONSTITUENTS. OUR FIREFIGHTERS ARE FEELING HURT. THEY'RE GETTING FORCED MORE TIMES ON WEEKENDS. WE'RE SEEING MORE ATYPICAL TRUCKS ON A REGULAR BASIS EVEN SINCE THE CADET CLASS WE'VE HAD A COUPLE IN THE PAST WEEK. WE'RE SEEING SUPPORT FILL. MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, WHEN WE'RE SHORT, MY FRIENDS BACK HERE IN TRAINING HAVE A ROTATION WHERE THEY HAVE TO COME FROM THE TRAINING ACADEMY AND THEY LOVE TRAINING CADETS AND FIREFIGHTERS, THEY HAVE TO BE FORCED TO PUT SOMEBODY FROM TRAINING INTO THE FIELD. ON TOP OF THAT, THEY'RE ASKING US TO AGREE TO A FORCE HIRE ASKING OUR FIREFIGHTERS TO WORK ADDITIONAL. IF STAFFING IS NOT A PROBLEM, WHY ARE THESE THINGS APPARENT? WE HAVE TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE OF WHAT OUR ISSUES ARE. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU. LAST QUESTION IS CHIEF MENTIONED IF THE TEAM IS IN THE FIELD AND THEY NEED MOTOR MEDIC AND THEY DON'T HAVE IT ON SCENE, WHAT'S THE PROCESS FOR THEM? HOW DO THEY CALL FOR ANOTHER PARAMEDIC? >> COUNCILOR ROGERS, THANKS FOR THE QUESTION. IT'S SOMETHING THAT IT HAS BEEN A PROBLEM THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED AT LEAST ONCE THAT I KNOW OF IN COUNCILOR GROUT'S DISTRICT WHERE STATION 12 WHERE YOU HAVE A PARAEDMEDIC ON ENGINE AND IT HAPPENED TO BE ON THE CALL AND IT CAME FROM STATION EIGHT THAT DOESN'T HAVE PARAMEDIC. OUR MEMBER ASKED FOR AN ADDITIONAL RESOURCE WHICH HE GOT BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE ARE TRAINED. YOU FRONTLOAD CALLS. THEIR STANCE WAS DON'T DO THAT BECAUSE PARAMEDICS NEED TO LEARN HOW TO WORK ALONE. IT'S THE STANDARD TO WORK ALONE OR BE ABLE TO WORK ALONE. AND WE DON'T WANT THEM TO ASK FOR MORE HELP. THAT'S THE RESPONSE WE GOT. WHEN WE ASKED WHAT IS OUR POLICY GOING TO BE WHEN SOMEBODY ASKS FOR ADDITIONAL HELP. PARAMEDICS SHOULD BE TRAINED TO WORK INDEPENDENTLY. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE. I HAVE AN ISSUE ONE TIME WHEN I CALLED FOR HELP. I ASKED FOR ACS. THEY DIDN'T GET ON THE RADIO AND ASKED, THEY CALLED ON CELL PHONE TO THE SUPERVISOR. IS IT THE SAME THING WHERE THEY'RE ASKING YOU TO CALL NOT THROUGH YOUR RAIDO OR ARE THEY ABLE TO CALL THROUGH A SUPERVISOR? >> COUNCILOR ROGERS, WE WOULD REQUEST THAT THROUGH OUR ALARM. WE HAVE UNIFORM DISPATCH THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO OPERATIONS BECAUSE THEY'RE KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT EVERYTHING WE DO. THAT MEMBER IN THE FRONT LINE WOULD IDENTIFY THE NEED. AND REQUEST ADDITIONAL RESOURCES THROUGH OUR RADIO SYSTEM. >>COUN. ROGERS: THREW THE RADIO. >>COUN. ROGERS: THROUGH THE RADIO? OKAY. THAT BROUGHT UP ONE QUESTION. HAVE YOU SURVEYED THE MEMBERS SPECIFICALLY ON THE RECONFIRMATION OF CHIEF JARAMILLO AND WHERE THE MEMBERS STAND? I THINK THAT'S THE MOST OBVIOUS QUESTION NO ONE'S ASKED. HAS ANY POLLING, SURVEYING, BEEN DONE OF YOUR MEMBERS ASKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE RECONFIRMATION OF CHIEF? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, WE DID DO AN INTERNAL SURVEY. BASED OFF THE COMMUNICATIONS COMMITTEE, THERE WASN'T ONE PERSON THAT DIRECTED THIS. IT'S A VERY SPIRITED CONVERSATION. IT WAS 67% AGAINST CONFIRMATION AND 33% FOR. THERE WAS 220 MEMBERS THAT COMPLETED THE SURVEY. IT WASN'T A VOTE. IT WAS A SIMPLE QUESTION. ONE QUESTION. DO YOU SUPPORT THE CONFIRMATION? >>COUN. ROGERS: HOW MANY MEMBERS DO YOU HAVE? >> IN YOUR UNIT WE HAVE 647. >>COUN. ROGERS: HOW MANY RESPONSES? >> 220. >>COUN. PEÑA: COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU, IMMEDIATEM PRESIDENT. HOW MANY WERE NOT IN FAVOR? >> 67%. >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. TITMAN, THIS CHIEF IS SUING THE UNION. IN YOUR OPINION, SHOULD THIS COUNCIL CONFIRM THE CHIEF TONIGHT? >> COUNCILOR LEWIS, I THINK THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS THAT GO INTO THAT QUESTION. YOU GUYS WENT INTO CLOSED SESSION. YOU HAD CONVERSATIONS AND WE'RE NOT PRIVY TO. I WISH I COULD BE A FLY ON THE WALL AND HEAR SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS. BASED OFF OF WHAT THE HISTORY OF HOW THIS UNION HAS BEEN TREATED IN TERMS OF CHANGING WORKING CONDITIONS AND BEING RECOGNIZED AT THE TABLE, MY ANSWER IS NO. THAT'S NOT BASED OFF OF EMILY JARAMILLO AS A PERSON, HOW SHE TREATS FIREFIGHTERS, HOW SHE -- WHO SHE IS. THAT'S HOW SHE HAS LED THIS DEPARTMENT. AND I TELL MY YOUNG FIREFIGHTERS THAT WE HAVE THIS CULTURAL FALLACY THAT IF YOU BECOME A FIRE CHIEF YOU GET TO MOLD AND DO WHATEVER YOU WANT WITH YOUR DEPARTMENT. THAT IS THE FURTHEST THING FROM THE TRUTH. WHEN YOU BECOME A FIRE CHIEF, AND THERE'S A COUPLE BEHIND ME THAT HAVE A VERY GOOD CHANCE OF DOING THAT, YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEAD A LARGE GROUP OF MEN AND WOMEN TOWARDS A SHARED AND UNIQUE GOAL TO EXPAND SERVICES AND BETTER AND IMPROVE SERVICES. THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE. SOMETIMES THAT'S HARD. GETTING A MAJORITY IS DIFFICULT. BUT THAT'S WHAT UNIONS ARE FOR. THAT'S ALL WE EVER ASK FOR. IN TERMS OF CHIEF JARAMILLO AND MYSELF, IT'S NOT ABOUT US. IT'S ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT WE SERVE. BOTH HER AND I. SHE SERVES THEM AND SO DO I. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. EXCUSE ME. WE HAVE COMMENTS FROM THE ADMINISTRATION. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO MAKE ANY. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. I THINK WE'VE BEEN -- WE BELIEVE IN CHIEF JARAMILLO'S LEADERSHIP. AND I THINK WE ALL HAVE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS AROUND HOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD IN WORKING TOGETHER. CHIEF JARAMILLO'S LEADERSHIP AND COMMENTS HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR THAT HER CURRENT INTENTION OF CONTINUING TO WORK WITH THE UNION AND REPAIRING THE RELATIONSHIP AND WORKING WITH THEM. IT IS CHALLENGING TO RESPOND IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE STATEMENT JUST MADE. I APOLOGIZE. I WASN'T PLANNING ON THAT STATEMENT FROM THE UNION PRESIDENT. I GUESS WHAT I WOULD SAY IS WE BELIEVE IN EMILY JARAMILLO'S LONG, LONG EXPERIENCE AS A PARAMEDIC. SHE'S BEEN AN INCREDIBLE LEADER IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. AND IN HER CAREER SHE HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON SERVING THIS COMMUNITY AND ENSURING WE HAVE PUBLIC SAFETY AND SERVING THE SAFETY OF THIS COMMUNITY IN HER DECISIONS AND THE WORK SHE DOES. AND I THINK THIS ADMINISTRATION STANDS BEHIND HER LEADERSHIP. WE BELIEVE SHE'S BEEN A STRONG LEADER. WE HAVE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY UNDER HER LEADERSHIP AS WE GO FORWARD. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THAT BEING SAID, DR. SENGEL, WHEN? WHEN IS SHE GOING TO GO BACK TO THE TABLE? SHE'S RECONFIRMED HERE. AND I ASK YOU THIS, NOT HER BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST RECONFIRMED AS CAO. IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO OVERSEE THE DEPARTMENTSES -- DEPARTMENTS. SHE CAN GET RECONFIRMED AND SAY, "NEVER MIND". WHEN? >> WE'VE NEVER LEFT THE TABLE. THAT IS IMPORTANT. THE LABOR MANAGEMENT MEETINGS HAS HAD MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS ACROSS MANY DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT THEY WORK THROUGH ALL THE TIME. THEY DISCUSS THEM. THEY WORK THROUGH THEM. THAT LABOR MANAGEMENT -- THOSE MEETINGS HAVE HAD MULTIPLE MOU OF DISCUSSION AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL CLEAR THAT THE ADMINISTRATION AND CHIEF JARAMILLO'S TEAM HAVE NOT LEFT THAT TABLE. AND HAVE CONTINUED TO PARTICIPATE IN DISCUSSIONS GOING FORWARD. WE REACHED AN IMPASSE -- THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT WORD BECAUSE THAT'S A LEGAL TERM. I SHOULDN'T SAY IT THAT WAY. THE MATTERS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING, THEY WERE IN DISCUSSION. WHEN IT BECAME A MATTER THAT WAS BEFORE CITY COUNCIL AS A RESOLUTION. THAT THREW A GIANT CURVEBALL INTO THE ENTIRE PROCESS. IT ISN'T MEANT TO BE AN ANNING ITNISTIC STATEMENT IN ANY WAY. THIS IS AN UNUSUAL SITUATION WE'RE IN. I THINK WE'VE SHOWN A COMMITMENT TO CONTINUE TO SHOW UP AT THE TABLE WITH THE LABOR MANAGEMENT MEETING AND CONTINUE THAT WORK. I'M FULLY CONFIDENT THAT HAS CONTINUED. AND I GET REPORTS FROM THAT WORK AND THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AND I KNOW THAT THEY'RE SITTING AT THE TABLE TOGETHER. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. VICE PRESIDENT. WE'LL MOVE TO THE VOTE. I'M JUST GOING TO CONCLUDE BY SAYING I THOUGHT IT WAS INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE MEN TO SPEAK OUT. ESPECIALLY COUNCILOR LEWIS'S A GROWN MAN. HE HAS REALLY BEEN A STRONG CHAMPION FOR LABOR THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE THING. IT'S REALLY CREATED SOME CONTENTION OVER THE YEAR. AGAIN, MS. JARAMILLO, TOO, I SEEN SOME LAUGHTER BACK THERE WHEN THAT HAPPENED. I THINK THAT WE REALLY -- ESPECIALLY FROM THE CAO, COMMITMENT TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO THE TABLE AND EXTEND THE OLIVE BRANCH AND TRY TO GET SOME THINGS RIGHT FOR OUR UNION AND OUR WORKERS THAT ARE THE FIREFIGHTERS WHO ARE THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND. AND WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TRY TO BE OPTIMISTIC ABOUT MOVING FORWARD AND JUST TO SAY THAT, CHIEF, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB AS A WOMAN. I THINK ONE OF THE PUBLIC SPEAKERS SPOKE ABOUT IT. AMONG A BUNCH OF MEN LEADING THAT DEPARTMENT, I THINK IT'S REALLY COMMENDABLE. AND I APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU'VE DONE. I KNOW SOME OF THE DEPUTY CHIEFS AND YOU GUYS ARE DOING AMAZING WORK AS WELL. THERE IS SOME STUFF THAT HAS HAPPENED OVER THE PAST YEAR THAT REALLY CREATED A DIVIDE. AND I THINK ALL ANYONE WANTS TO SEE HERE AND SPEAKING TO THESE MEN IS WE COME TOGETHER, COME TO THE TABLE, AND LET'S WORK THINGS OUT LIKE ADULTS. I THINK WE HAVE OUR COMMITMENT BY THE SHOW OF A NOD. AND COUNCILOR LEWIS AND WE'LL END IT AND GO TO THE VOTE. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM CHAIR -- PRESIDENT. I AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK ANYBODY HERE LISTENING TONIGHT AND CERTAINLY HEARING FROM THE UNION WHICH MAKE UP THE FIREFIGHTERS, THERE'S SOME PRETTY BIG CHALLENGES AND THERE'S DEPARTMENTS HURTING IN SOME WAYS. I THINK IF WE WERE NOT TO CONFIRM THE CHIEF HERE TONIGHT, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD GO THAT MAKES SENSE. BECAUSE OF THE DISCUSSION HERE TONIGHT. I AM GOING TO VOTE IN CONFIRMATION. IT'S BECAUSE, MADAM PRESIDENT, OF WHAT YOU JUST SAID. IN GOOD FAITH AND BELIEVE THAT I WANT TO SEE THE DEPARTMENT COME TOGETHER. I THINK GOING BACK AND SOME OF THESE ISSUES WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE UNION AND NEGOTIATING IN GOOD FAITH AND I DO AGREE THAT THERE ARE SOME UNFORTUNATE WAYS THAT SOME OF THAT CAME ABOUT. ABSOLUTELY. AND THE CHIEF TO BE ALL OF A SUDDEN MANDATED BY THIS COUNCIL -- SOME THINGS THAT CAME ABOUT THAT I'VE CERTAINLY BEEN WILLING TO LOOK AT AND SAY, HEY, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GO ANOTHER DIRECTION. AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S GOT TO BE BOTH WAYS. I WANT GOING TO VOTE CONFIRMATION WITH THE CONFIDENCE THAT WILL HAPPEN. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. ON EC-10, THERE WAS A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR CONFIRMATION OF CHIEF EMILY JARAMILLO TO THE POSITION OF CHIEF OF THE ALBUQUERQUE FIRE RESCUE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY RAISING YOUR HAND AND SAYING YES. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. CONGRATULATIONS. >>COUN. TELLES: MADAM PRESIDENT, MAY I MAKE A BRIEF STATEMENT EXPLAINING MY VOTE ON THE RECORD? >>COUN. PEÑA: SURE. >>COUN. TELLES: I FEEL LIKE I'M NEW. I'M TOTALLY NEW. I DON'T KNOW ALL THE INNER WORKINGS OF WHAT WENT ON OVER THE LAST YEAR WITH REGARDS TO LAWSUITS BUT RIGHT NOW WHAT I AM SEEING IS A CORE ISSUE IS NOT REALLY WHETHER THE CHIEF VALUES FIREFIGHTERS OR SUPPORTS FAIR BARGAINING, IT'S WHETHER SHE'S BEEN GIVING THE BUDGET AUTHORITY AND POLITICAL BACKING TO ACTUALLY DELIVER WHAT THE UNION IS ASKING FOR. WE ALL KNOW THAT WE CANNOT NEGOTIATE WITH EMPTY POCKETS. THE CHIEF DOES NOT CONTROL THE BUDGET AND LISTENING ALONE DOESN'T STAFF ENGINES, FUNDING DOES. AFTER LOOKING AT THE APPROPRIATIONS HERE, AND THE OPERATING COSTS, AND THE OVERTIME COST, I'M DIRECTING MY PRESSURE TO WHERE I BELIEVE IT BELONGS. AND THAT'S ON THE MAYOR'S OFFICE WHERE TO PUT REAL DOLLARS BEHIND IT. AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THIS IS A CHIEF PROBLEM OR A UNION PROBLEM. I THINK THIS IS A BUDGET AND PRIORITIES ISSUE. AND I HOPE THAT THE MAYOR AND YOUR TEAM WILL DO WHAT'S RIGHT AND PROVIDE US WITH A BUDGET THAT APPROPRIATELY FUNDS WHAT OUR FIREFIGHTERS NEED. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: WE WILL NOW MOVE TO -- IF I CAN FIND MY PLACE. WE'LL MOVE TO EC-13. REQUEST APPROVAL OF SOCIAL SERVICE AGREEMENT -- NOPE. WE DID THAT, DIDN'T WE? OKAY. CATHOLIC CHARITIES TO IMPLEMENT AND OPERATE HOUSING RESOURCE CENTER AND MOVE PROGRAM. I MOVE APPROVAL. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: SECOND. >>COUN. PEÑA: MOTION AND SECOND FOR APPROVAL. ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON EC-13? >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. WE HAVE LISA. LISA HAS NOT JOINED US. THERE'S NO EXTRA COMMENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE ADMINISTRATION ON EC-13. SEEING NONE. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF EC-13 SIGNIFY BY SAYING YES AND RAISING YOUR HAND. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME MOTION. I'M SORRY. DID I MISS SOMETHING? NO, I DIDN'T. THAT MOTION PASSES. EC-14. NEXT GEN RESOURCE MANAGEMENT PROGRAM CONTRACT. I MOVE APPROVAL. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: SECOND. >>COUN. PEÑA: MOTION, AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? >>COUN. PEÑA: NO. COUNCILORS, ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL OF EC-14, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. WE ARE ON TO EC-1 WRCH -- USE OF FY25 FUND RAPID REHOUSING PROJECT APPROPRIATED FUNDING TO INCREASE THE HEADING HOME CONTRACT BY $662,526.92 TO MAINTAIN HOUSING FOR 92 HOUSEHOLDS. WE HAVE A COMPANION BILL WHICH IS R-1, BUT WE'LL MOVE THIS ONE FIRST. I MOVE APPROVAL. MOTION, AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCILORS? SEEING NONE. IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? >> YES, WE HAVE JAMES TO SPEAK. >> GOOD EVENING. I KNOW MS. CHAVEZ. WE SERVE ON THE HOUSING VOUCHINGER TASK FORCE. THIS BODY CREATED IT A YEAR AGO. I CAN TELLIA SHE KNOWS -- SHE REALLY KNOWS HER STUFF. SHE NEEDS THIS MONEY. I WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH. I STATED AT THE AOC IN 2016 WHICH IS THE OVERNIGHT SHELTER. I FELT INCREDIBLE COMPASSION AND LOVE AT THAT AGENCY. WHEN I GET A CHANCE TO SPEAK HIGHLY OF HEADING HOME, I ALWAYS DO. IT'S A TERRIFIC AGENCY. 10 YEARS AGO, IT WAS THE SHELTER STANDARD. IT WAS SO MUCH BETTER THAN THE WEST SIDE. THEY'RE DOING AN INCREDIBLE JOB OVER THERE. I THINK THIS MONEY WILL PREVENT HOMELESSNESS WHICH IS ALWAYS IMPORTANT WHEN WE CAN DO PREVENTION. I STRONGLY URGE YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU. >> THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCILORS? COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. JUST A QUESTION FOR ADMINISTRATION. DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH IS IN THE GENERAL FUND NOW? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, WE HAVE SUBMITTED THAT. WE HAD OUR EXIT CONFERENCE. AND WE DID HAVE COUNCIL STAFF THERE. AND WE ARE WAITING FOR THAT TO BE RELEASED. YES, THAT'S THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCILORS? SEEING NONE. WE WILL TAKE A VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF EC-10 -- NO? EC-1. RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. OPPOSED, SAME MOTION. THAT CARRIES. THANK YOU. WE'RE ON TO FINAL ACTION. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN BY REQUEST, R-1. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: AUTHORIZING REQUEST TO INCREASE HEADING HOME BY $662,526.92 TO MAINTAIN HOUSING FOR 92 HOUSEHOLDS IN FISCAL YEAR 26. I MOVE DO PASS. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND BY COUNCILOR ROGERS. IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? >> NO, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I WOULD JUST SAY THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT PROJECT. WE HAVE 92 HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE HOUSED WITH THIS CONTRACT. AND WOULD HATE TO SEE THEM UNHOUSED. WE HAVE ENOUGH OF A PROBLEM WITH UNHOUSED NEIGHBORS. I URGE THAT WE WOULD ALL SUPPORT THIS. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. >> MY APOLOGIES, MADAM PRESIDENT. I HAD IT ON THE BACK PAGE. THERE'S FOUR SPEAKERS. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. >> FIRST IS TAD FOLLOWED BY CONY. CONCIE FOLLOWED BY DOROTHY. >> COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE YOU CONTEXT OF THIS. AND THANK YOU COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN FOR CARRYING THIS. JUST TO GIVE CONTEXT, AT THE END OF FISCAL YEAR 25 WE HAD 153 HOUSEHOLDS IN THIS PROJECT. TODAY WE'RE AT 103. THAT IS THROUGH THE PROVISION. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR. THAT'S THE THROUGH THE PROVISION OF CASE MANAGEMENT. WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE HOUSEHOLDS ON. GET THEM THE WRAPAROUND SERVICES THEY NEED. I STRONGLY URGE YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. I'M JUST GOING TO PUT A LITTLE PLUG. I THINK YOU DO AMAZING WORK, CONNIE. I HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH YOU. YOU'RE A BLESSING IN DISGUISE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> UP NEXT WE HAVE DOROTHY FOLLOWED BY THERESA ON ZOOM. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME. MADAM PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, I'VE BEEN PRIVILEGED ENOUGH TO SERVE THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE AND THE UNHOUSED FOR 36 YEARS. WORKING IN HOUSING. WORKING WITH HEADING HOME IS A PRIVILEGE TO ME. THE CLIENTS WE SERVE, ESPECIALLY THE FAMILIES, DEPEND ON THE SUPPORT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. A LITTLE OVER 300 HOUSEHOLDS IN MY HOUSING PROGRAM, AND 142 OF THOSE ARE CHILDREN. THEY REALLY DEPEND ON THE FUNDING TO CONTINUE HOUSING JOURNEY. ON THEIR BEHALF, THANK YOU. >> THERESA ON ZOOM. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCIL, THANK YOU. THE FIRST GENTLEMAN SAID IT SO ELOQUENTLY. I'M GETTING THE FEELING YOU'LL PASS THIS. NONPROFITS CARRY SO MUCH IMPORTANT WEIGHT IN OUR COMMUNITY. ESPECIALLY IN THE ARENA OF HOUSING AND THE HEADING HOME MODEL IS JUST WONDERFUL. PLEASE SUPPORT THIS. THANK YOU. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: BACK ON THE BILL. ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCILORS? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN TO CLOSE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU. I CAN'T STRESS ENOUGH HOW IMPORTANT IT IS WE HAVE PROGRAMS LIKE THIS THAT PROVIDE PEOPLE ASSISTANCE AND HELP GETTING BACK ON THEIR FEET. AND THIS IS A REALLY INCREDIBLE PROGRAM. IMPLEMENTED BY A REALLY INCREDIBLE GROUP. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR R-1. ALL THOSE IN FIVE AIR YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED NO. MOTION CARRIES. WE'RE NOW ON O-102. COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. R-102 IS ADOPTING THE RENTAL PRACTICE ORDINANCE TO CODIFY PROVISIONS OF THE NEW MEXICO SENATE BILL 267 REGARDING RENTAL PRACTICES, SCREENING FEES, FEE DISCLOSURE AND RENT FEES AND REQUIRING OWNERS TO HAVE A NO-FEE PAYMENT OPTION. I MOVE DO PASS. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: SECOND. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR DO PASS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I HAVE SOME AMENDMENTS I'D LIKE TO MOVE. IN YOUR PACKET, THE FIRST AMENDMENT IS NUMBER ONE. AND THIS IS ON PAGE EIGHT, LINE 21, INSERT THE FOLLOWING AND RENUMBER SUBSEQUENT SECTIONS. ADDING EDUCATION, THE CITY SHALL DEVELOP EDUCATION MATERIAL FOR BOTH RESIDENT AND OWNERS RELATED TO PROVISION OF THE ORDINANCE. EDUCATIONAL MATERIALS SHALL WE MADE AVAILABLE ONLINE. I WANT TO THANK COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, COUNCILOR PEÑA, DURING THIS TWO WEEKS WE WERE ABLE TO MEET TOGETHER TO GO OVER THIS. THIS IS A REQUEST FROM COUNCILOR PEÑA FOR EDUCATION. I MOVE THIS FIRST AMENDMENT. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: SECOND. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR FLOOR AMENDMENT A, WHICH WILL NOW BE FLOOR AMENDMENT ONE. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCILORS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED NO. MOTION CARRIES. WE ARE ON TO FLOOR AMENDMENT B. IT WILL BE FLOOR AMENDMENT TWO. COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. ON PAGE SEVEN, LINE 23, RESPOND OWNER SHALL PAY PENALTY IMPOSED AND ANY VIOLATION AS APPLICABLE, REQUEST MEDIATION OR A HEARING BY THE RESPONSE DUE DATE AS INDICATED IN THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION. ERR -- WE'RE ADDING ALTERNATIVE OWNER MAY SHOW PROOF PRIOR TO THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION BASED ON THE SAME FACTS ALLEGED IN THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION. SUCH SHOWING WILL BAR CITY ENFORCED AS DESCRIBED IN THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION. THIS IS IN DIRECT RESPONSE TO OUR REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONALS WORRYING ABOUT DUPLICATIVE FEES. WE HAVE LOTS OF OTHER ORDINANCES THAT ALSO HAVE STATE LAWS, SO THIS IS IN DIRECT RELATIONSHIP TO THAT. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND TO FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. ANY QUESTIONS FROM OTHER COUNCILORS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED NO. MOTION PASSES. THAT WAS APPROVAL OF FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. WE'RE ON FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE. COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE IS A TECHNICAL ADJUSTMENT FOR THE ARTICLE. BECAUSE ARTICLE 27 IS NOW TAKEN FOR OTHER LEGISLATION. WE NEED TO MAKE THAT AMENDMENT. I APPRECIATE OUR TEAM FOR CATCHING THAT EARLY. SEVERAL DIFFERENT LINES -- IT'S JUST CHANGING NUMBER 27 TO NUMBER 28. BECAUSE 27 WAS ENACTED BEFORE WE GOT TO THIS BILL. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCILORS? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. OPPOSED NO. MOTION PASSES. WE ARE -- ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS? I HAVE AN AMENDMENT. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR. I THINK WE HAVE -- DO WE HAVE THEM PRINTED? I'LL JUST READ IT. THIS IS FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER -- >> MADAM PRESIDENT. I HAVE IT, JUST LET ME KNOW WHAT THE AMENDMENT READS. >>COUN. PEÑA: FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR, BEGINNING ON PAGE EIGHT LINE 41, AMEND EFFECTIVE DATE. IT SHOULD TAKE EFFECT ON JULY 1, 2026 AFTER PUBLICLICATION BY TITLE AND GENERAL SUMMARY. THIS AMENDMENT PROPOSES TO AMEND THE EFFECTIVE DATE TO JULY 1, 2026. THE PROVISIONS OF THE ORDINANCE REQUIRED BY STATE LAW WOULD REMAIN IN EFFECT, HOWEVER THE CITY'S ENFORCEMENT OF THE ORDINANCE WOULD NOT COMMENCE UNTIL JULY 1, 2026. DELAYING THE EFFECTIVE DATE WILL ALLOW FOR ENFORCEMENT COST TO BE SECURED AND INCORPORATE INTO THE CITY'S FY27 OPERATING BUDGET. THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR ROGERS. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCILORS? I'LL GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT IT. COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I APPRECIATE THAT. WE DID GET INFORMATION. WE HAD TO REWORK THE BUDGET ANALYSIS. I ASKED FOR THAT FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT. I APPRECIATE THAT AMENDMENT. I THINK IT WOULD HELP OUR DEPARTMENT AS WELL. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. DID YOU SAY THERE'S SOMEONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS AMENDMENT? OH OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCILORS? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. OPPOSED NO. MOTION CARRIES. THEN WE HAVE FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FIVE. DO WE HAVE THAT? PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN. WAS THAT PASSED OUT? THIS WOULD BE FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FIVE. BEGINNING ON PAGE EIGHT, LINE 33, INSERT A NEW SECTION. SECTION FIVE, COMMUNICATION WITH THE CITY INCLUDING REPRESENTATIVES OF BOTH THE ADMINISTRATION AND COUNCIL SERVICES IS DIRECTED TO CONTACT NEW MEXICO LEGISLATURE AND NEW MEXICO DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, ATTORNEY GENERAL, TO DISCUSS STATE ENFORCEMENT PROCESSES FOR PROVISIONS OF SENATE BILL 267. EXPECTATIONS REGARDING THE ROLE OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND THOSE PROCESSES. AND FUNDING AND OTHER SUPPORT AVAILABLE TO LOCAL GOVERNMENTS THAT ELECT TO ADOPT LOCAL ORDINANCES TO ASSIST IN ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS. THIS AMENDMENT PROPOSES THE CITY TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE STATE REGARDING ENFORCEMENT OF SENATE BILL 267, 2025. I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FIVE. THERE'S A MOTION, AND A SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT. ANY QUESTIONS? IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S THREE. DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP? >>COUN. ROGERS: I APPRECIATE THIS AMENDMENT AS WELL. I'D LIKE TO GO TO GARRET. SINCE WE'VE LAST MET, I HAD IN GOOD FAITH IS WE ASK TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE STATE. I DID SPEAK WITH THE SPONSORS OF SB267. WE HAD A PRESS CONFERENCE TOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT THEIR SURPRISE AT WHAT WE FOUND AT THE CITY. I THINK THIS IS A REALLY A GREAT -- WE DON'T OFTEN CONNECT THIS IS WAY, SURPRISINGLY, WHEN THE STATE LAW IS ENACTED. THEY GO LIKE, GREAT, AND THEY'VE DONE THE WORK. BUT THERE'S NOT A FOLLOW THROUGH ON HOW IT ACTUALLY WORKS IN PRACTICALITY. THIS IS FROM OUR CONSUMER PROTECTION DEPARTMENT. THEY SPOKE WITH THE DOJ CONSUMER DIVISION REPRESENTATIVE ON JANUARY 14. SHE EXPLAINED THERE'S NO CITY ORDINANCE ALLOWING ENFORCEMENT ON THE ACTION. IF YOU SCROLL -- THAT'S PERFECT. THEY HAVE SAID THEY'RE GOING TO FIND OUT FROM THEIR LEADERSHIP BECAUSE THEY ALSO ARE NOT AWARE OF SB-267 IN THE CONSUMER PROTECTION DEPARTMENT AT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. I APPRECIATE THIS COMING OUT BECAUSE NOW WE CAN WORK ON PROCESS IMPROVEMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN DO THIS. I APPRECIATE THIS. I THINK WE'VE ALREADY STARTED THAT WORK. THIS IS A GOOD ADDITION TO CARRY THAT FORWARD. THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. I THINK THERE WAS A SECOND. I DIDN'T CAPTURE WHO THE SECOND WAS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I THINK COUNCILOR LEWIS, DID YOU RAISE YOUR HAND? >>COUN. LEWIS: ON THE AMENDMENT, MADAM PRESIDENT? >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: NO, THAT'S OKAY. >>COUN. PEÑA: ANY ADDITIONAL? OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND FOR FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FIVE. PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. AND OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. WE'RE BACK ON THE BILL. COUNCILOR ROGERS, IF YOU WANTED TO ADD ANYTHING, IF NOT, I'LL GO TO COMMENTS. COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. WE STILL HAVE THE -- I KNOW WE HAD AN AMENDMENT THAT CLARIFIED THAT TRIES TO DEAL WITH DUPLICATION OF FEES. IT DOES BEG THE QUESTION OF WHAT IS THE STATE GOING TO DO? HAVE WE ALREADY TALKED TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL? THE STATE LEGISLATURE PASSED A LAW AND PUT PENALTIES IN THAT LAW. WHEN YOU PUT PENALTIES IN A LAW YOU ASSUME THAT YOU HAVE THE CAPABILITIES TO ENFORCE IT. YOU'RE COLLECTING PENALTIES. YOU'RE CREATING POSITIONS OR YOU'RE FUNDING THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE IT. HAVE WE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL THAT THEY'RE GOING TO ENFORCE THEIR OWN LAWS IN THE STATE, INCLUDING THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE? FOR OUR STAFF, OR FOR THE SPONSOR. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, COUNCILOR LEWIS. I HAVE NOT SPOKEN DIRECTLY TO OUR ATTORNEY GENERAL. I TRIED TO CATCH HIM AT THE MLK MARCH THIS WEEKEND. WE HAVE HEARD FROM HIS TEAM DIRECTLY IN THAT EMAIL THAT THEY NEED GUIDANCE BECAUSE THEIR PROCESS IS TO SEND TO THE MUNICIPALITY BEST SUITED TO ENFORCE IT. THIS EMAIL DIRECTLY FROM THEM THAT WAS THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. WHICH IS WHY THEY SENT THE COMPLAINT TO US. I WOULD LIKE VICTOR OR JULIA TO TALK ABOUT WE HAVE A TON OF ORDINANCES ALREADY THAT ARE ALSO STATE STATUTES. I BROUGHT UP SPEEDING. WE HAVE A CITY ORDINANCE AND STATE ORDINANCE. IN THAT CASE, WE DON'T SAY TO THE STATE POLICE WHY AREN'T YOU ENFORCING SPEEDING IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE? HERE I'M ASKING FOR THE SAME ON THE CIVIL SIDE. IF THE LEGAL WOULD LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING, I WOULD LOVE THAT TOO. >> COUNCILORS, COUNCILOR ROGERS, THAT'S CORRECT. THERE ARE SEVERAL ORDINANCES THAT COVER -- IT'S TOO MUCH TO NAME IN SUCH A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME. THERE ARE ORDINANCES THAT COVER THE SAME CONDUCT. EASY EXAMPLE IS CRIMINAL STATUTES. THEY COVER DIFFERENT PENALTIES DEPENDING ON LEVEL OF ENFORCEMENT AT THE MUNICIPAL AND STATE LEVEL. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LAWS WE MIMICKED. WE MIMIC STATE LAWS AND HAD -- IF WE MIMIC THE STATE LAWS, WHY ARE THE STATE LAWS IMPORTANT AT ALL TO US? YOU GIVE A LOT OF EXAMPLES TO IT. I THINK THE REASON WHY IS IT'S BECAUSE THESE ARE LIKE OTHER LAWS WHETHER THEY'RE GOOD OR NOT OR JUSTIFIED OR NOT. ARE YOU SAYING THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE STATE LAWS AND WE HAVE MIRRORED LAWS THAT THEY'RE MORE EFFECTIVE AT THAT POINT? I DON'T KNOW. WHAT'S THE POINT IN THAT ARGUMENT? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, IT JUST ALLOWS FOR CONCURRENT ENFORCEMENT OVER THE SAME SUBJECT MATTER. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A MATTER OF BETTER OR DIFFERENT. IT'S JUST CONCURRENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, CAN WE ENFORCE STATE LAWS? CAN WE ENFORCE STATE LAWS? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, IN THIS CONTEXT WHERE WE'RE DEALING WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT, CODE ENFORCEMENT NEEDS AN ORDINANCE IN OUR CODE TO ENFORCE. THEY CAN'T SIMPLY PULL UP -- AND START ENFORCING THOSE PROVISIONS. THEY NEED SOMETHING AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, WERE WE GIVEN EXAMPLES WHERE WE COULD ENFORCE STATE LAWS WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS? OR IS IT ALL NOT ONLY MIRRORED ORDINANCE BUT MIRRORED ENFORCEMENT AS WELL? IS EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE THAT YOU LOOKED AT AND STUDIED THE SAME THING? OR DO WE HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT ENFORCES STATE LAW EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE IT ON THE CITY BOOKS? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS,WE WERE FOCUSED ON THE CODE ENFORCEMENT SIDE WHERE IT IS, AS FAR AS WE KNOW, A REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE A CODE TO POINT TO CODE FOR ENFORCEMENT TO ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE IN THE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS. WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK UP AN EXAMPLE IF YOU WERE INTERESTED IN OTHER TYPES OF ENFORCEMENT PROCESSES OF OTHER DEPARTMENTS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT -- >>COUN. PEÑA: COUNCILOR LEWIS, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERJECT. WE HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AS WELL. >>COUN. LEWIS: LET ME WRAP IT UP BY SAYING IS THIS MORE OF A MEMORIAL? IT SEEMS LIKE A MEMORIAL FROM THE STATE LEGISLATURE. IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE AN ACTUAL LAW THEY INTENDED TO ENFORCE IN THE FIRST PLACE. IF THEY DID, I WOULD WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THAT. BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE CAPABILITIES OF ENFORCING THIS AND THE TIME AND THE -- ALSO WHETHER THE PENALTIES THAT WE WOULD COLLECT WOULD EVEN COME CLOSE TO COVERING THAT. ALSO, MADAM PRESIDENT, I WOULD PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT THAT REMOVES THE FEE. THE $250 FEE. IF IT'S AN EASY WAY TO WRITE THAT UP, REMOVE THE PENALTY AND JUST CALL IT AMENDMENT -- >>COUN. PEÑA: IT WOULD BE AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX. AS THEY'RE WORKING ON DRAFTING THAT, WE CAN GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: SURE. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND FOR THAT AMENDMENT ONCE IT'S DRAFTED. >> I'M SORRY. WHO IS THE SECOND? VICE PRESIDENT CHAMPINE. >> OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS BRANDON FOLLOWED BY ALEXANDER. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM PRESIDENT COUNCILORS. I'M VERY GLAD TO SEE THE CIVIC ENGAGEMENT FROM SO PEOPLE AND THE SUPPORT FOR OUR LIBRARIES, PARKS, OPEN SPACES, FIREFIGHTERS, UNHOUSED NEIGHBORS. IT FEELS GOOD TO SEE THIS. SPEAKING ON THE RENTAL PRACTICES ORDINANCE, I HAVE BEEN A LANDLORD FOR MY OWN PROPERTY. I'VE ALSO BEEN AN APARTMENT MANAGER FOR A 16-UNIT COMPLEX. I HAVE READ THE DRAFT, OF COURSE I DIDN'T READ THE FLOOR AMENDMENTS. THERE'S NOTHING ONEROUS IN THIS. IN FACT, AS MANY HAVE STATED, AND SOME OF THE OPEN COMMENTS, THE ECONOMIC BENEFITS OF THIS ACROSS ALBUQUERQUE ARE IMMENSE. IT ADDRESSES SOME OF THE UNDERLYING ISSUES. IT WILL STRENGTHEN OUR COMMUNITIES. I ASK YOU PLEASE TO PASS THIS AND IT MIGHT BE WISE TO CONSIDER PUBLIC COMMENT BEING JUST A LITTLE BIT LARGER IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. STAY SAFE. STAY WARM. >> ALEXANDER FOLLOWED BY CARLA. >> HELLO, AGAIN, CITY COUNCIL. I GOT THROUGH MOST OF MY COMMENTS. I THINK THIS HAS ECONOMIC BENEFITS FOR BOTH SIDES OF THE MARKET. I HAVE TO EXPRESS A LITTLE BIT OF FRUSTRATION COMPLAINING THAT THE STATE WAS GOING TO IMPOSE A FINE. TO BE ABLE TO FUND THE ENFORCEMENT OF THIS LAW. AND TO PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT TO REMOVE THAT FINE, FOR US, INSTEAD OF THIS BEING SELF-SUSTAINING BILL WE DO NOT IMPOSE THE $250 FINE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE MAKING MONEY OFF THIS BILL TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE IT AND TO SUPPLY CODE ENFORCEMENT WITH THE MONEY THEY'RE GOING TO REQUIRE TO CONTINUE WITH THE TASKS THEY'RE ALREADY DOING ALONGSIDE ADDITIONAL TASKS. I THINK THAT'S AN INSTITUTIONAL ARRANGEMENT THAT SHOULD BE STUDIED. I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE WAY THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES WORK TOGETHER. LIKE I SAID, I WAS DISAPPOINTED IN THE FIRST MEETING I ATTENDED. >> CARLA FOLLOWED BY AUDRIANA. >> GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU. I AM A TEACHER AND RENTER IN DOWNTOWN ALBUQUERQUE. EVERY MONTH I PAY MY RENT PLUS HUNDREDS OF EXTRA DOLLARS IN FEES. I PAY TWO SEPARATE FEES FOR TRASH. COMMON AREA MAINTENANCE FEE, SERVICE FEE, AND FEE TO PAY MY RENT. I HAD NO IDEA I'D PAY THIS MUCH EVERY MONTH WHEN I CALCULATED MY BUDGET. I HAD NO IDEA I HAD TO PAY $99 TO MOVE IN, OR EVERY MONTH I PAY A PLATFORM FEE TO PAY RENT. THIS ISN'T JUST ME. MY APARTMENT COMPLEX HAS 200 OTHER APARTMENTS AND MY LANDLORD OWNS 24 PROPERTIES. THE FACTS THESE FEES WERE NOT DISCLOSED VIOLATES SENATE BILL 267 WHICH IS PASSED LAST SPRING. MY LANDLORD DOES NOT CARE BECAUSE THERE'S NO CONSEQUENCES. PLEASE, I URGE YOU TO PASS THE RENTAL PRACTICES ORDINANCE SO WORKING RENTERS HAVE AN ACCESSIBLE PATH TO HOLD LANDLORDS ACCOUNTABLE. THANK YOU. >> AUDRIANA FOLLOWED BY MOHAMED. >> HELLO, EVERYBODY. I AM A HOUSING JUSTICE ORGANIZER AT OLE. WE'RE HERE TO MAKE OUR VOICES HEARD. WE'RE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IN THIS BILL. WHAT WE HAVE SEEN AT CITY COUNCIL THROUGHOUT MY THREE YEARS AS A HOUSING JUSTICE ORGANIZER IS CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT CARE ABOUT RENTERS. VOTING YES ON THIS BILL AS IS SHOWS RENTERS YOU CARE ABOUT RENTERS. THIS IS IMPORTANT TO BE PASSED AT THE CITY LEVEL BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS THE CITY PASSING THE RENTERS TO THE STATE AND GO BACK TO THE CITY AND STUCK IN THIS LOOP BECAUSE THERE ARE NO ENFORCEMENT AROUND BILLS LIKE THIS. AND THERE WAS RENT ENFORCEMENT IN THE ORIGINAL BILL. WHICH ALSO GOT AMENDED AND TAKEN OUT AT THE STATE LEVEL. THE CAP OF LATE FEES IS A GREAT PART OF SB267. THAT WAS PASSED BECAUSE WE NEED MORE LANDLORDS TO CONTINUE -- BECAUSE WE NEED MORE. LANDLORDS CONTINUE TO SEE LAWS AS OPTIONAL. PLEASE -- VOTE YES AND THANK YOU COUNCILOR ROGERS. >> MOHAMED FOLLOWED BY THOMAS. >> HELLO. GOOD EVENING. I AM HERE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF THE RENTAL PRACTICES ORDINANCE BILL. I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES MY FAM LEAND I WERE WORKING FOR AN APARTMENT AND PAYING FEES ONLY TO NOT GET THE APARTMENT. I'M PRETTY SURE THEY NEVER THE UNIT OPENED. THEY WANTED THE EXTRA PROFIT. THE FEES KEEP GETTING HIGHER AND HIGHER. MY FAMILY'S EXPERIENCE IS NOT RARE. THINGS WOULD BE LESS PERILLESS IF THERE WAS A NO -- VOTE YES TO HAVE A FORM OF RECOURSE AND FINANCIAL PENALTY AND SOME WAY TO RIGHT WRONGS THAT ARE LIKE CRUEL AND UNUSUAL TORTURE. LANDLORDS ABUSE THEIR POWER AND HOW MANY LANDLORDS WILL GET AWAY WITH SIPHONING DRY EVERYTHING AROUND THEM UNTIL EVERYTHING IS DUST? I HAVE BEEN RETALIATED MULTIPLE TIMES. WE HAVE NO WAY OF PROTECTING OURSELVES OR HOLDING LANDLORDS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE NEGLECT AND ABUSE. PLEASE VOTE YES AND PASS THE RENTAL ORDINANCE. THANK YOU. >> THOMAS FOLLOWED BY ALAN. >> I WOULD LIKE ALL THE CITY COUNCILORS TO CHECK YOUR EMAIL. I SENT A TEXT MESSAGE FROM JOSH FROM THE GREATER ALBUQUERQUE AREA REALTOR ASSOCIATION. HERE'S MY BIG ISSUE. JOSH TEXTED A MESSAGE THAT DAN LEWIS TOLD HIM WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET RID OF THOSE FEES FOR YOU. I HEARD HIM TALK ABOUT THAT. THIS IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. YOU GUYS ARE OWNED BY YOUR FUNDERS, DONORS AND MONIED INTEREST. IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR EMAIL, YOU'LL FIND THAT TEXT MESSAGE FROM JOSH PRICE WHO SAYS DAN LEWIS WAS GOING TO TRY TO FIGHT THESE FEES. AND WHAT DOES HE DO A FEW MINUTES LATER? HE TRIES TO GET AN AMENDMENT GOING TO WAIVE THE FEES. GUYS, THE FEES ARE THE IMPORTANT THING. THAT'S WHAT KEEPS PEOPLE HONEST. WHEN YOU MESS UP AND KEEP ME HOMELESS BECAUSE WHERE HAVE TO PAY $50 DMR THAT MEANS YOU'RE IN TROUBLE. DON'T LISTEN TO DAN LEWIS. DON'T LISTEN TO JOSH PRICE. USE YOUR OWN SENSE AND PASS COMMON SENSE LEGISLATION. THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: LET ME CLARIFY THAT. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER AMENDMENT ON THIS. I'M. >>COUN. PEÑA: SIR, YOU CAN TAKE A SEAT. YOU CAN TAKE A SEAT. HE'S MAKING COMMENT. YOU CAN TAKE A SEAT. >>COUN. LEWIS: I COMMUNICATED THAT I BELIEVE THERE'S ANOTHER AMENDMENT FROM ANOTHER COUNCILOR. >>COUN. PEÑA: YOU CAN TAKE A SEAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>COUN. LEWIS: FROM ANOTHER COUNCILOR THAT WOULD -- THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THAT WOULD GET RID OF THE FEES. THAT'S WHAT I COMMUNICATED. THERE WAS NOT ONE. EVERY COUNCILOR HAS A RIGHT TO INTRODUCE ANY AMENDMENT THAT THEY WANT. THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE TABLE. WE'LL GET TO THAT VOTE. AND VOTE IT UP OR DOWN. THANKS, MADAM PRESIDENT. >> ALAN FOLLOWED BY JOSH. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCIL. FOR THE RECORD, I DID NOT GIVE DAN LEWIS ANY MONEY TONIGHT. I WANT TO THANK COUNCILOR ROGERS FOR TRYING TO COME BACK TO US AND WORK WITH ALL OF US. I THINK THE FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE IS STILL HERE. WE'RE CONFLICTING WITH STATE LAW. ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THIS IT SAYS WE WANT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW BUT WE'RE IMPLEMENTING A REMEDY PROCESS THAT'S DIFFERENT. WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ANY OF THE PROVISIONS. LIKE I SAID -- >>COUN. PEÑA: EXCUSE ME. EXCUSE ME. MA'AM. CAN YOU TAKE THIS BUSINESS OUTSIDE? OKAY. THANK YOU. IT'S VERY DISTRACTING. THANK YOU SO MUCH. GO AHEAD. >> I WAS IN THE ROOM WHEN WE WROTE REVISIONS TO 267. WHY WERE IN SUPPORT OF THAT BILL. THE TENANTS RIGHTS PART IS NOT THE ISSUE. I COMPLETELY AGREE THAT IF WE HAVE AN AGENCY THAT IS NOT ENFORCING THE STATE LAW THAT IS A PROBLEM. BECAUSE THERE WAS A HUGE PUSH DURING THE STATE LEGISLATURE THAT WAS THE REASON WE PUT THAT IN THAT BILL. SO, THAT DOES NEED TO BE RECTIFIED. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S SOMETHING FOR THE CITY TO DO. THAT'S SOMETHING WE ALL NEED TO DO TO FIGURE OUT WHY THE BILL IS NOT BEING IMPLEMENT. BECAUSE THE STATE HAS OUTLINED THE EXACT PROCESSES AND THE REMEDIES. I THINK WE NEED TO HOLD THOSE ACCOUNTABLE THAT SHOULD BE HOLDING THIS BILL -- THAT SHOULD BE ENFORCING THIS BILL. WE AGREE WE SHOULD ENFORCE THE LAWS WE HAVE IN PLACE. I THINK ANOTHER OPTION TOO WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT IS WE REALLY NEED TO GET BACK TO, MADAM PRESIDENT, YOU MENTIONED THE LANDLORD TENANT HOTLINE. IT'S A PAID FOR DEAL OUT OF SANTA FE. WE NEED TO LOOK AT CREATING SOME SORT OF LANDLORD TENANT HOTLINE WE CAN FUND AND BE A RESOURCE FOR EVERYBODY THAT WOULD GO FAR BEYOND THE PROVISIONS OF SENATE BILL 267. >> JOSH FOLLOWED BY JACOB. >> THAT GOT REAL FUN REAL FAST. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR ROGERS, FOR THE CONVERSATION WE'VE HAD AND FOR YOUR OPENNESS FOR COLLABORATION. I AM A REALTOR MEMBER AND PROPERTY MANAGER. I CARE ABOUT RENTERS JUST LIKE YOU DO. LIKE ALL OF YOU DO. I WANT TO SHARE HOW IT WOULD AFFECT THE RESPONSIBLE LANDLORD LIKE MYSELF. I HAVE FOUR KEY POINTS. FIRST IT'S A PENALTY BEFORE PROO. THIS ORDINANCE ESTABLISHES A SYSTEM WHERE IT TRIGGERS ENFORCEMENT BEFORE EVIDENCE OF VIOLATION. I COULD FACE INVESTIGATION, REQUIRE MEDIATION, AND POTENTIAL PENALTIES BASED SOLELY ON UNVERIFIED CLAIM. IT'S GOOD FAITH OPERATORS GET COSIN THE NET. VAST MAJORITY OF OWNERS WORK HARD TO COMPLY WITH LAWS AND TREAT TENANTS FAIRLY. WE CHANGED ALL OF OUR PRACTICES AND POLICIES IN THE BEGINNING OF JUNE WHEN WE KNEW 267 IS IN PLACE. WE CHANGED THE FEES. IN CLOSING, I'M ASKING COUNCIL TO GIVE TIME TO WORK ITSELF. >> JACOB FOLLOWED BY ANDREA. >> I'LL SPEAK QUICKLY. I'M A RENTER IN DISTRICT SIX. I'VE COME WITH OLE TO STAND WITH COUNCILOR ROGERS TO ADVOCATE FOR MY COMMUNITY. THE ESTIMATED 44% OF US ARE RENTING. THAT'S NOT A MAJORITY BUT NOT IS SIGNIFICANT EITHER. WE WHO RENT ARE CONSTANTLY AT THE MERCY OF LANDLORDS. WE RELY ON YOU TO STAND UP AND FIND A COURAGE THE TO PROTECT US FROM THE PREDATORY PRACTICES FROM LANDLORDS. TO PROTECT US WHEN THEY PAINT OVER BLACK MOLD AND NOT REMOVING IT ON TWO SEPARATE OCCASIONS AND ATTEMPT TO DOUBLE CHARGE UTILITIES UPON MOVE OUT. IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYONE CAN AGREE CONDITIONS FOR RENTERS SUCK AND SOMETHING SHOULD BE DONE IT BUT IT SEEMS LIKE ON NIGHTS LIKE TONIGHT, TOO MANY WANT TO PASS THE BUCK. SOMEONE SHOULD HELP THESE PEOPLE. NOT US, BUT SOMEONE. RIGHT? TONIGHT, ON BEHALF OF ALL RENTERS, I'M DEMANDING YOU FIND YOUR CONSCIENCE AND YOUR SPINE TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND VOTE YES AND ADOPT THE RENTAL PRACTICES ORDINANCE TO PROTECT US BY STRENGTHENING CODE ENFORCEMENT AND GETTING RID OF RIDICULOUS PENALTIES AND FINING LANDLORDS THAT BREAK THE LAW. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. >> ANDREA FOLLOWED BY JAMES. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL PRESIDENT COUNCIL. I JUST WANT TO START BY SAYING THAT I LIVED IN ALBUQUERQUE FOR SEVEN AND A HALF YEARS. CLOSER TO EIGHT. AND I HAVE BEEN A RENTER THE ENTIRE TIME. I'M ACTUALLY LOOKING TO ALL OF YOUR DISTRICTS TO SEE WHERE I WANT TO BUY A HOUSE BECAUSE IT IS AN IMPORTANT TIME TO BUY. RENT IS ASTRONOMICAL EVEN FOR ME WHO I DID NOT START OUT AS A REMOTE WORKER. I WORK FOR THE CITY AS YOU KNOW. AND NOW I'M REMOTE WORKER. I'M INTERESTED IN WHAT CITY WILL ACTUALLY SUSTAIN MY INTEREST IN TERMS OF GROWTH AND ACTUALLY SUPPORT FOLKS THAT ARE CIVICALLY INTERESTED IN ENGAGING. I HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS ON THE ACTUAL BILL. SECTION 14-28-A1. I ENCOURAGE THE COPY OF THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION BE SENT TO THE RENTER. SECTION 14-28-A2 I ENCOURAGE NOTICE OF VIOLATION BE SENT TO THE RENTER AND CONSIDERED WHETHER IT SHOULD BE CERTIFIED. I ALSO -- I'M SORRY. I'LL SUBMIT MY WRITTEN PUBLIC COMMENT. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS I'D LIKE TO BE HELPFUL FOR RENTERS. THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. >> JAMES FOLLOWED BY THERESA ON ZOOM. >> GOOD EVENING. ONE LAST ONE. I ACTUALLY TRAVELED TO SANTA FE AND SPOKE IN FAVOR OF SB267 AND SPOKE ABOUT SOME OF MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE HELPING CLIENTS. I LIVED ON A HOUSING VOICHER. I FEEL LIKE THIS IS ANOTHER INCOME SOURCE DISCRIMINATION. THIS IS ANOTHER END AROUND. THESE ARE PUT IN PLACE TO TARGET PEOPLE THAT ARE LOW INCOME AND PEOPLE THAT ARE ON HOUSIN VOUCHERS. THIS IS COMMON SENSE STUFF. TRANSPARENT FEES. THEY HAVE TO LIST ALL THE FEES IN ADVANCE BEFORE YOU PUT ANY MONEY DOWN. I THINK THAT'S JUST COMMON SENSE. THE APPLICATION FEE IS CAPPED AT $50. I THINK $50 IS A REASONABLE APPLICATION FEE. THE FACT THAT FEE INCREASE NOTICED HAVE TO BE MADE, YOU HAVE TO GIVE 30 DAYS BEFORE YOU INCREASE THE FEES. THIS IS COMMON SENSE STUFF. LATE FEES ARE LIMITED TO 5%. AND IT HAS TO BE IN WRITING. AGAIN, I JUST THINK IT'S COMMON SENSE. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN IS AN ADVOCATE FOR THE TENANT COMMUNITY. >> THERESA FOLLOWED BY ELENA. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, THANK YOU. PLEASE SUPPORT THIS ORDINANCE. I'M A FORMER ATTORNEY WITH LEGAL AID REPRESENTED TENANTS. THIS ORDINANCE IS NOT ABOUT THE MATTERS. IT'S ABOUT THE ENFORCEMENT. AND ENFORCEMENT IS SO NECESSARY. LEGAL AID TODAY DOES NOT REALLY REPRESENT ANY ONE WHO IS LOW INCOME LANDLORD GOING INTO COURT. AND IT RARELY DID EVEN BACK IN THE DAY WHEN I WAS ONE. TENANTS LOSE IN COURT UNLESS THEY'RE REPRESENTED. AND ANY KIND OF PRIVATE COST OF ACTION TO ENFORCE THIS TENANTS DON'T HAVE THE FEES IN ORDER TO DO THAT. IT BECOMES VERY IMPORTANT FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED THAT THESE LAWS GET ENFORCED. ONCE THEY'RE ENFORCED, LANDLORDS WILL KNOW THEY MUST FOLLOW THEM. AND PRETTY SOON WILL SEE THE PRACTICE IMPROVING. WE'LL SEE TENANTS BEING TREATED BETTER. ONCE LANDLORDS LEARN WHAT THEY MUST DO, AND ONCE TENANTS KNOW THE CITY HAS THEIR BACK. PLEASE VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS. THANK YOU. >> ELENA FOLLOW BY MONET. >> I LIVE IN DISTRICT SIX. I'M A TEACHER IN DISTRICT FOUR. I KNOW MANY PEOPLE ACROSS THE CITY WHO EXPERIENCED DECEPTIVE AND INCREDIBLY INVASIVE RENTAL PRACTICES. I HAVE MANY FRIENDS WHO ARE EXPECTED TO HAVE RENT CHECKS WHERE THEY HAVE TO TAKE PICTURES THROUGH AN APP EVERY 90 DAYS. WITHIN THOSE DAYS THEY HAVE TO TAKE THE PHOTOGRAPHS FROM THE THIRD PARTY APPS OWNED BY THE HUGE RENTAL PROPERTIES, WITHIN THE 90 DAYS THEY'RE EXPECTED TO HAVE IN-PERSON FIRE EXTINGUISHER CHECKS AND SEPARATE PEST CONTROL. WHILE CHECKING FOR THE INSIDE OF AN APARTMENT FOR SAFETY MAKES SENSE TO HAVE SOMEBODY COME IN TWO OR THREE TIMES WITHIN A 90 DAY PERIOD TO TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS OF INTERIOR SPACES IS INCREDIBLY INVASIVE. I DON'T THINK THESE RESOURCES ARE ACTUALLY BEING USED FOR POSITIVE INTENT. THESE CAN BE MINIMIZED TO ONE VISIT. MAYBE ANNUALLY OR LESS THAN THAT. AND LASTLY, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER THE RENTAL ORDINANCES FOR O-25-102 AND THERE WAS ONE MORE THING I WAS GOING TO SAY. I DON'T THINK THAT THESE ARE INTENDED TO KEEP TRACK OF THE REPAIRS OF AN APARTMENT BECAUSE REPAIRS AREN'T DONE AND WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS PEOPLE EAT THE COST OF MISSING ANY OF THE APPOINTMENTS WITHIN 90-DAY PERIOD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I'M LUCKY TO HAVE NOT HAVE A TENANT SITUATION. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. YOUR TIME IS UP. MONET FOLLOWED BY WINTER. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS. I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE NEW MEXICO COALITION TO END HOMELESSNESS. I'M HERE TO ASK YOU TO SUPPORT THIS. THE PENALTIES ARE NECESSARY TO ENFORCE THIS BILL. APPLICATION FEES AND DEPOSITS AND CHARGES EXHAUST LIMITED INCOMES WHICH HOUSEHOLDS -- IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TRADEOFF BETWEEN RENT AND NEEDS. POLICY MAKERS HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE THIS BY PASSING THE ORDINANCE SQUEN SURING THE INTENT OF SB267 PASSES WITH HER LEGISLATIVE SESSION. ENTERING FULL COST TRANSPARENCY AND LIMITS TOTAL MOVEMENT EXPENSES. -- BOTH IN ALBUQUERQUE AND ACROSS THE STATE. WITNESSING FIRST-HAND HOW UNDISCLOSED FEES ARE UNFAIRLY ADDED TO MOVE IN COSTS. THEE FUNDS COULD GO TOWARD RENT AND FURTHER FOR OTHERS TO USE. WE HOPE YOU WILL SUPPORT THIS AND THANK YOU, COUNCILOR ROGERS, FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. >> IT LOOKS LIKE WINTER DROPPED OFF. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO CHRISTOPHER FOLLOWED BY CHRIS. >> I'M HERE. I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. PROCEED WINTER. AND WE'LL GO TO CHRISTOPHER. >> THANK YOU. I AM THE CEO AND FOUNDER OF NEW MEXICO EVICTION PREVENTION AND DIVERSION. I SECOND A LOT OF WHAT MONET JUST SAID REGARDING THE FEES. WE SEE THOSE EVERY DAY AS WELL AND THEY'RE HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS EACH MONTH. AND I HAVE THE HONOR OF ATTENDING THE LEADERSHIP COUNCIL 16th ANNUAL LUNCHEON THIS WEEKEND. AND WAS REMINDED OF THE IMPORTANCE OF LANGUAGE. AND I WANT TO PASS ON TO YOU THINGS THAT WERE SAID THERE. I THINK MOST IMPORTANTLY TONIGHT IS THAT LOVE IS NOT SILENT IN THE FACE OF INJUSTICE. SOMEBODY HAS TO DO SOMETHING. YOU HAVE TO HAVE MOMENTS OF COURAGE. AND TO PROVIDE DIGNITY TO ALL OF THOSE THAT HAVE GOD'S BREATH INSIDE OF THEM. AND IN RESPONSE TO A COUPLE OF INACCURACIES FROM -- THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. CHRIS FOLLOWED BY CHRIS. >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. GOOD EVENING. I'M CHAIR OF THE -- COMMITTEE. I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS SPECIFIC CONCERNS REGARDING O-25-102 THAT REMAIN PROBLEMATIC DESPITE RECENT AMENDMENTS. THE FIRST KEY POINT WOULD BE ENFORCEMENT OF THE LAW. CREATES CONFUSION AND RISK. IT CREATES PARALLEL ENFORCEMENT SYSTEMS. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE UNDER SB267 AND CITY CODE ENFORCEMENT PROPERTY OWNERS COULD FACE COMPLAINTS FOR THE SAME ALLEGED VIOLATION, CREATING UNCERTAINTY AND ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN WHILE DUPLICATE FINES WILL REMOVE THE DUAL COMPLAINT PROCESS ITSELF. PREMATURE LOCAL ACTION WITHOUT STATE DATA IS ANOTHER ISSUE. STATE BILL 267 BECAME THE EFFECTIVE ONLY SIX MONTHS AGO. WE HAVE NO DATA ON HOW ENFORCEMENT IS WORKING. WE'RE SOLVING FOR PROBLEMS WE HAVEN'T MEASURED OR DOCUMENTED AT A LOCAL LEVEL. THIS APPROACH RISKS CITY CODE ENFORCEMENT AND MATTERS COVERED BY STATE LAW AND STATE ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> CHRIS FOLLOWED BY MARSLEN. >> I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE ALBUQUERQUE ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS. REPRESENTING OVER 4,000 MEMBERS THAT SERVE COMMUNITY HOUSING NEEDS. A COUPLE POINTS TO OAKO. GAR SUPPORTS SENATE PROTECTION AND CONSISTENTLY ENSURED FAIR HOUSING PRACTICES. WE RECOGNIZE COMMITMENT TO PROTECT RENTERS. WE SHARE THAT COMMITMENT. HOWEVER WE BELIEVE THE BILL IS PREMATURE GIVEN THAT SB267 HAS ONLY BEEN LOFT SINCE JULY OF 2025. WE'RE TALKING SIX MONTHS. WE WOULD WITH LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE VALUE OURSELF PARTNERSHIP. GAR AND OUR COALITION PARTNERS HAVE ALREADY ENGAGED THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS. PROPOSING AMENDMENTS AND SEEKING WORKABLE SOLUTIONS. THANK YOU TO COUNCILOR ROGERS FOR YOUR COMMUNICATION WITH US. WHILE WE APPRECIATE THE RECENT IMPROVEMENTS IN THE BLUE LINE VERSION FUNDAMENTAL CONCERNS OVERLAP RESOURCE ALLOCATIONS REMAIN UNRESOLVED. THE HOUSING MARKET WORKS BEST WHEN ALL STAKEHOLDERS WORK TOGETHER, OWNERS, TENTS AND POLICY MAKERS. WE ASK YOU TO GIVE TIME TO SB267 BEFORE MUNICIPAL ENFORCEMENT. THANK YOU GUYS. >> MARSLEN. >> HI. I JUST WANT TO FIRST START BY STRESSING SOMETHING THAT SEEMS TO BE REPEATED OVER AND OVER AGAIN. WHICH IS DOUBLE ENFORCEMENT MYTH. CLEARLY WE CAN SEE THAT WHEN THESE THINGS ARE SENT FROM THE STATE THEY CANNOT BE ENFORCED AT THE CITY. THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT SAID THIS DURING THE LAST MEETING, WITHOUT AN ORDINANCE THEY CANNOT ENFORCE THESE THINGS AT A CITY LEVEL. THIS WHOLE LINE ABOUT DOUBLE CHARGING IS A COMPLETE MYTH. ADDITIONALLY, THESE ARE PROTECTIONS THAT ARE BASIC. THEY'RE VERY BASIC. WITHOUT FEES, IF WE AMEND OUT FEES, THERE ARE NO FEES TO THIS BILL. HOW CAN WE EXPECT LANDLORDS TO CHANGE, HOW CAN WE EXPECT ANYTHING TO BE ENFORCED WHEN WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE IT AT A CITY LEVEL? AND TWO, WE DON'T HAVE ACTUAL FEES ENFORCING ANYTHING? WHAT IS THE INCENTIVE OTHER THAN SMALL INCONVENIENCE? WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF PEOPLE. THIS IS CRAZY. THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT LEADS TO HIGHER RATES OF HOMELESSNESS. NEGLECTING THESE THINGS LEAD TO PEOPLE FALLING THROUGH THE CRACKS. AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE DEBATING SIMPLE THINGS LIKE KNOWING HOW MUCH WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR RENT, HOW MANY FEES WE'RE GOING TO PAY IS INSULTING. IT'S INSULTING AS RENTERS THAT WE'RE GIVEN THIS LITTLE. AND WE'RE DISAFFECTED THIS MUCH. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: WE'RE BACK ON THE BILL. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX. COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. YEAH, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT BE THE REALTORS OR OTHER GROUPS, THEY RECOMMENDED OTHER AMENDMENTS TO THE BILL WITH HOPES OF BEING ABLE TO PASS A TENANT PROTECTION BILL. AND THE SPONSOR HAS TAKEN THOSE INTO ACCOUNT. I CAN TELL YOU THIS AMENDMENT DID NOT COME FROM ANYBODY OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THERE WAS AN AMENDMENT LIKE THIS. WHEN I SAW THERE WASN'T, I PROPOSED IT FOR THE SAKE OF DISCUSSION. IN THE HOPES I COULD SUPPORT A TENANT PROTECTION BILL. WHICH IS THE WHOLE REASON YOU DO AMENDMENTS ON IT. TO GATHER MORE SUPPORT FOR IT. I'M GOING TO WITHDRAW THE AMENDMENT. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR LEWIS. WE'RE PACK ON THE BILL AS AMENDED FIVE TIMES. COUNCILORS -- COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THANK YOU TO MY FELLOW COUNCILORS FOR THE MEETINGS IN BETWEEN AND DEFERRING IT TWO WEEKS AGO. HOUSE BILL 267 IS COMMON SENSE. IT BRINGS FORTH THE THOUGHT OF YOU NEED TO KNOW AS A RENTER WHAT THE FEES ARE GOING TO BE SO YOU CAN BUDGET. I WANT TO GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY RIGHT AWAY. THIS DOES MAKE SENSE. IT IS STATE LAW RIGHT NOW. THEY NEED TO BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT WHEN THEY GO INTO A LEASE OR THEY PUT AN APPLICATION, HERE ARE THE FEES. IF THERE'S A TRASH HANDLING FEE, WHICH BLOWS MY MIND, I HEARD IT SEVERAL TIMES. THERE'S A TRASH HANDLING FEE. THERE'S A FEE TO PAY RENT. THERE'S A FEE FOR OPENING YOUR DOOR AT THE WRONG HOUR. WHATEVER THE FEE IS, YOU NEED TO KNOW BEFOREHAND. I ALSO WANT TO ADDRESS SOMETHING ELSE IN THE SENSE THAT THE STATE LAWS ARE PASSED. IT'S PASSED AND WENT INTO EFFECT IN JULY. THERE'S STATE LAW FOR SPEEDING. POLICE OFFICERS CITE THE STATE LAW FOR SPEEDING. AND THE REASON WHY APD DOES THAT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE STATE CERTIFIED. THEY'RE ALLOWED TO FINE ON THE STATE LEVEL BECAUSE THEY'RE STATE CERTIFIED. IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN LET'S STATE CERTIFIED CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THEY CAN ENFORCE THIS BILL. IT HAS BEEN IN EFFECT FOR SIX MONTHS. THE COUNCILOR WHO SPONSORED THIS ADVISED THAT AG DIDN'T KNOW THEY'RE ENFORCING IT. THIS IS BRINGING TO THE ATTENTION THAT THEY NEED TO ENFORCE THIS. THAT'S WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED FOR. THEY HAVE FILED A COMPLAINT OR WENT IN TO FILE A COMPLAINT. THEY KICKED TO THE CITY. AND IT'S FILED WITH THE AG'S OFFICE. THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS SITTING AT THE STATE AG'S OFFICE. WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO SEE HOW IT'S GOING TO BE ENFORCED GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE FEEDBACK OR DATA OF IS IT ENFORCED OR HOW MANY TIMES IT'S ENFORCED BECAUSE NOBODY KNEW. WE TALKED SEVERAL TIMES OF BEING AN ADVOCATE AND ASSISTING OUR CITIZENS. THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENTERS SAME AND SAY. THEY SAY ACCESSIBLE PATH TO ACCOUNTABILITY. I THINK IN ANOTHER TERM WAS THE COUNCIL POWER. THE POWER OF COUNCIL TO PASS LAWS. THE POWER OF COUNCIL TO DO BUDGET. TO ADVOCATE AND BE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE PEOPLE. THERE'S A STATE LAW GOING ON THAT HASN'T HAD A CHANCE TO TAKE ANY EFFECT. I THINK THE POWER OF COUNCIL SHOULD BE DO ADVOCATE FOR THEIR PEOPLE. THAT'S WHY I SAY THAT MOVING FORWARD THERE NEEDED TO BE AN EDUCATION OUTREACH. NOT NECESSARILY PASS ANOTHER LAW TO BE FRANK, WOULD BE FALL ON CODE ENFORCEMENT. THEY TAKE 430 CALLS WITH 17 PEOPLE. THEY HAVE TO PRIORITIZE. LIFE THREATENING SITUATIONS, HEALTH AND HAZARD. THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL CODE ENFORCEMENT. WE HEARD PEOPLE TALK ABOUT -- MADAM PRESIDENT -- I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T WRITE MY TIME DOWN. I GOT FIVE MINUTES. THEY TALK ABOUT A ROOF LEAKING. THEY TALK ABOUT A WATER HEATER. THEY TALK ABOUT THE AC. THEY TALK ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON. THIS IS ONLY TALKING ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND FEES THAT A STATE LAW ALREADY OCCURRED. I SAY THE POWER IN OUR JOB IS TO BE AN ADVOCATE FOR THE PEOPLE. EDUCATE. HELP THEM INFORM THEM AND BE THAT CONDUIT TO SAY LET'S START THAT HOTLINE. LET'S MAN IT PROPERLY. LET'S GET IT WORKING AND LET'S BE THAT CONDUIT TO THE STATE TO SAY HERE'S THESE ARE THE COMPLAINANTS, DO SOMETHING. BE THE ADVOCATE FOR PEOPLE AND EDUCATE PEOPLE. SAY HERE ARE YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES AS TENANT. HERE ARE YOUR RIGHTS AS A TENANT. HERE ARE YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES AS A LANDLORD AND HERE ARE YOUR RIGHTS AS LANDLORD. BE EVEN ON BOTH SIDES. I THINK THIS AS A RENTER WHEN I WAS YOUNGER, AS A RENTER WHEN I WAS GROWING UP, LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THEIR RIGHTS A RENTER. TO SAY, HEY, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO COMPLAIN. THEY WORRY ABOUT BEING SUBJECTED TO -- IF YOU FILE A COMPLAINT THE LANDLORD SAYS YOU WERE A DAY LATE WITH RENT THERE'S A $50 FEE NOW. THERE'S WORRYING ABOUT THAT. I THINK THE POWER REALLY COMES IN THIS PARTICULAR INCIDENT AS BEING THE ADVOCATE TO EDUCATE AND BE THE CONDUIT FOR THE PEOPLE TO THE STATE BILL THAT PASSED TO SAY, HEY, WE WILL BE THAT DATA-DRIVEN CONDUIT OF THE VIOLATIONS AND HELP THE AG'S OFFICE TO SAY HOW DO WE SOLVE THIS AND HERE'S THE INFORMATION. LET'S MOVE FORWARD TOGETHER. NOT AS A MIRRORING OF BILL OR A PENALTY, BUT TO ACTUALLY HELP THE STATE DO WHAT IT SAID IT WAS GOING TO DO. AND AT THE SAME TIME EDUCATE AND EMPOWER THE PEOPLE WE REPRESENT. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD ACTUALLY -- I HATE TO DO THIS TO COUNCILOR ROGERS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO -- BASED ON WHAT I'M READING, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER THIS UNTIL AFTER BUDGET. IF THIS DOES PASS, WE NEED TO LOOK AT BUDGET TO PROPERLY GIVE CODE ENFORCEMENT THE MANNING LEVEL TO BE ABLE TO REALLY DO THIS. ONE OF THE THINGS I HATED SO MUCH BEING IN THE AUDIENCE WAS BEING BILLS PASSED. AND OBVIOUSLY STATE BILL 267 IS AN EXAMPLE, THE STATE LAW PASSED THAT'S DOING NOTHING. IT HASN'T HAD THE TIME TO DO ANYTHING, BUT NOBODY KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON. YOU TALK ABOUT PASSING SOMETHING TO SAY HERE'S SOMETHING TO PASS, WHEN WE ALL KNOW THE LIKELIHOOD OF IT BEING REALLY ENFORCED IS MINIMAL BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF MANPOWER IT'S GOING TO TAKE. SO, LET'S -- I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER THIS UNTIL AFTER BUDGET. WE CAN ADVOCATE TO PROPERLY MAN CODE ENFORCEMENT WITH ADDITIONAL MANNING LEVEL SO IF THIS DOES PASS, THEN THEY HAVE THE PROPER MONEY AND PEOPLE TO ENFORCE IT PROPERLY. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I THINK THE MOST IT CAN BE DEFERRED IS 90 DAYS. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT FOR TIMELINE OF BUDGET? APRIL? WE GET IT APRIL 1st. IT WOULD BE IN THE MIDDLE OF BUDGET DISCUSSIONS. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE YES. IF IT WAS GOING TO BE DEFERRED, YOU CAN DEFER FOR 90 DAYS AND COME UP AGAIN AND COUNCIL DECIDES WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MADAM PRESIDENT, IT WOULD PUT US AT THE END OF APRIL, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF BUDGET. I WOULD MUCH RATHER DO THAT TO SAY WE'RE IN BUDGET TALKS TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THE COST IS, WHAT THE MONEY IS, AND START PLANNING FOR. AT THE END OF APRIL, IT DOES PASS, WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF BUDGET TO GO WE'VE STARTED THE DISCUSSION AND PLANNING TO PROPERLY FUND CODE ENFORCEMENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL MAKE A SECOND FOR THE DISCUSSION. COUNCILOR TELLES. I'M SORRY. ACTUALLY, I APOLOGIZE. COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MY COMMENTS ARE ABOUT THE BILL, NOT THE AMENDMENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: IF THERE'S COMMENTS ON THE AMENDMENT, WHO WANTS TO SPEAK? COUNCILOR TELLES. >>COUN. TELLES: NO. >>COUN. PEÑA: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU. WE'VE ALREADY, UNFORTUNATELY, DELAYED THIS TWO WEEKS FOR REASONS THAT I DID NOT AGREE WITH. AND THEN WE EARLIER TONIGHT AGREED TO DELAY ACTUAL IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS FOR FIVE MONTHS, WHICH IS A LONG TIME. THE PEOPLE OF ALBUQUERQUE NEED HELP RIGHT NOW. AND I THINK THAT THE IDEA THAT WE WOULD CONTINUALLY DELAY GETTING THEM THE ASSISTANCE THEY NEED IS UNCONSCIONABLE. THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR A DEFERRAL FOR 90 DAYS. THAT WILL TAKE US TO -- >> MADAM PRESIDENT, APRIL 20th. >>COUN. PEÑA: THE MEETING ON APRIL 20th. ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? I WILL JUST SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I'VE SPOKE TO THE REALTORS. A COUPLE OF FOLKS, I DON'T KNOW THEIR NAMES. I TOLD THEM I THINK THIS BILL IS IMPORTANT AND I THINK IT NEEDS TO PASS. SOMETIMES THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS. YES, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THINGS BEING UNCONSCIONABLE -- WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS AND HAVE PUBLIC SPEAKERS COME OUT -- WE TALK ABOUT THE FEES AND HOW THAT WILL PAY FOR THE COST OF THIS, OUR FEES DON'T GO TO THE DEPARTMENT. THEY GO TO THE GENERAL FUND. ALL THAT IS DISCUSSED WHEN WE DO THE BUDGET. SO, THOSE FEES AREN'T AUTOMATICALLY IN THAT DEPARTMENT TO CONTROL THAT. THERE'S ALL THIS GOING ON. AND WE HAVE THE STATE, TO VICE PRESIDENT'S POINT, WE HAVE THE STATE THAT PASSED THIS SIX MONTHS AGO. THEY DON'T KNOW WHO IS DOING IT OR IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT. INSTEAD OF PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE, WE NEED TO REACH OUT TO THE STATE AND FIND OUT ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO ENFORCE IT? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? HOW IS ENFORCEMENT GOING TO LOOK? AND IF THEY SAY THEY RELY ON US AS A CITY TO ENFORCE IT, THEN WE NEED TO BRING IT BACK AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT ENFORCING IT AND REALLY HAVE A REIABLE SOURCE ON HOW TO FUND THE FTE NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO PUT THIS FORWARD. THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT, FOLKS. WE CAN PASS THINGS TO PASS THINGS AND HAVE THINGS ON THE BOOKS LIKE WE TO. OUR DEPARTMENT, TO THEIR CREDIT, THEY DO PHENOMENAL WORK WITH LIMITED STAFF THEY HAVE. BUT, I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED AT ONE POINT WE PUT IT TO THE CONSUMER AFFAIRED. WE DON'T HAVE CONSUMER AFFAIRS. IT'S NOT STAFFED. I THINK WHAT WE NEED -- WE'VE PASSED SOME BILLS THAT WE KIND OF DO IT ON OUR PASSION ABOUT. AND SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND REVERSE THAT. AND WE'VE DONE THAT A FEW TIMES. LIKE I TOLD THE REALTORS, I WANT SOMETHING TO PASS. THAT'S FROM MY EXPERIENCE, MY HEART. I WANT SOMETHING TO PASS. I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO PASS FOR THE SAKE OF SAYING I GET A GOLD STAR. OUR JOB IS TO DO THE HARD WORK THAT MAKES IT UNCOMFORTABLE. HEARING ALL THE PUBLIC SPEAKERS, NOT KNOWING THEY DON'T ALL THE DETAILS ASSOCIATED WITH IT THIS, AND WE'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO MAKE THE SAUSAGE, IT'S PUT WAS US IN A REALLY TOUGH SITUATION. I WILL GO TO THE MAKER OF THE MOTION TO END ON THEIR AMENDMENT. YEAH, I THINK WE'RE NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME YET. I WILL GO BACK TO YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANY FINAL COMMENTS ON YOUR MOTION FOR DEFERRAL? >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES, MADAM PRESIDENT. LIKE I SAID, I JUST WANT TO DO THIS RIGHT. SO IT ISN'T MIRRORING STAFFING AND NOT ANYING WHAT'S GOING ON. I WANT TO PASS SOMETHING TO HELP PEOPLE IN NEED AND HELP THE PUBLIC WE REPRESENT. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. PEÑA: WE CLOSED THE FLOOR. I'M SORRY. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR DEFERRAL FOR 90 DAYS UNTIL THE APRIL 20th COUNCIL MEETING. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED? >>COUN. PEÑA: THAT MOTION FAILS. >> FAILS ON A 4-5 VOTE. >>COUN. PEÑA: OKAY. WE'RE BACK ON THE BILL. WERE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON THE BILL? I THINK WE HAD COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM PRESIDENT, I HEARD LOT OF POINTS I AGREE WITH. A COUPLE THAT I DON'T. I'LL JUST GO THROUGH MY NOTES. IT STARTED WITH COUNCILOR LEWIS SAYING PENALTIES AND LAWS ABILITIES TO ENFORCE THEM. I DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE THIS IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. I THINK THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT -- I PROBABLY -- I'M GOING TO RISK SAYING THIS. I THINK CODE ENFORCEMENT IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE DIVISIONS IN THE WHOLE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. I APPRECIATE THEM SO MUCH FOR WHAT THEY DO. IT WENT FROM BEING THINKING CODE ENFORCEMENT WAS ALL ABOUT WEEDS AND WALLS TO SO MUCH MORE THAN THAT. AND AGAIN, THINGS I DON'T WANT TO DO. THINGS I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT THEY DO AND WHERE THEY GO AND PREDICAMENTS THEY'RE IN AND PROTECTING PEOPLE TOO. THE THINGS I LEARNED ABOUT TODAY ARE HORRIFIC. I'M GRATEFUL TO ALL THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WE HAVE. I ADVOCATED FOR MORE FUNDING FOR THAT DIVISION WITHIN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. I WITHDREW MY AMENDMENT WITH COUNCILOR GROUT FOR MORE FUNDING AT THIS TIME. BUT I CAN TELL YOU, THEY NEED MORE MONEY. AND I AGREE THAT ANOTHER THING IS WE CAN'T POINT THINGERS TO EVERYBODY, BUT YEAH, I'M POINTING A FINGER. THE STATE PASSED A BILL. I'M POINTING A FINGER WITH THEM. BUT THE AG SHOULD DO THEIR JOB IF THE STATE DOES PASS THE BILL. THEY SHOULD DO THE ENFORCEMENT. RIGHT NOW, IN THIS MATTER, WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO ASSIST SOME THINGS THAT OTHER STATE DEPARTMENT SHOULD BE HANDLING. AND WHO HAS BEEN HOLD THEY SHOULD HANDLE IT AND AGREED. I THINK THIS MONEY, $250, I WAS GOOALITY I WAS GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THE AMENDMENT. $250 WOULD NOT FUND CODE ENFORCEMENT TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO FIND THE BAD LANDLORDS. I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP LOOKING AT. SO, I APPRECIATE SOME OF THE AMENDMENTS AND THE EFFORT AND THE CONVERSATION. I DIDN'T VOTE FOR DEFERRAL BECAUSE I WASN'T GOING TO VOTE FROM THIS BILL FROM THE GET GO. LET'S LEAN ON THE STATE AND HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT THEY HAVE COMMITTED TO DOING. THAT'S SHOULD BE OUR PRIORITY WHILE WE GO AFTER THINGS CODE ENFORCEMENT ABSOLUTELY NEEDS TO CONTINUE DOING TO PROTECT ALBUQUERQUE. >>COUN. PEÑA: ANY MORE QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR TELLES. >>COUN. TELLES: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I JUST WANT TO REALLY BE CLEAR ABOUT STANDARD PROCEDURAL GOVERNANCE MATTERS WHEN IT COMES TO REFERRALS AND ENFORCEMENT. SO, IT IS A VERY COMMON ADMINISTRATIVE PRACTICE FOR AGENCIES THAT HAVE ANY SORT OF STATUTORY ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY TO REFER MATTERS TO ENTITIES THAT ARE MORE APPROPRIATE. AND THAT'S PARTICULARLY TRUE FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS THAT OPERATE UNDER HOME RULE AUTHORITY. AND WHEN -- LIKE I SAID, IT'S VERY COMMON. ESPECIALLY WITH ENFORCEMENT. I WANT TO ALSO POINT OUT THAT IT ACTUALLY AVOIDS DUPLICATIVE ENFORCEMENT. WHEN REFERRALS ARE MADE BY AN AGENCY, TO THE APPROPRIATE AUTHORITY TO ENSURE THE ENFORCEMENT, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS ELIMINATING CONFLICTING ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS. WE ARE ACTUALLY CONSOLIDATING THE PROCESS BY GETTING THE REFERRALS, WHICH PREVENTS PARALLEL INVESTIGATIONS. WE'RE AVOIDING DOUBLE PUNISHMENT BECAUSE IF WE BOTH HAVE THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE, THEN WE HAVE THE ABILITY FOR DOUBLE ENFORCEMENT. WE'RE CONSOLIDATING THAT AND REMOVING DOUBLE PENALTIES HERE. THE REFERRALS RESERVE PROPORTIONAL ENFORCEMENT. IF WE LEFT ENFORCEMENT WITH AG, THEY COULD DECIDE $250 IS NOT NEARLY ENOUGH. IF THEY WANTED TO. WE'RE ALSO PREVENTING DUPLICATIVE ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE WE'RE AVOIDING STACKING PENALTIES. AND ALL OF THIS ALSO PREVENTS DUPLICATIVE AUDITS BECAUSE IF WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE WHO CAN ENFORCE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ODDALITY -- AUDIT COMPLIANCE TWICE. LIKE I SAID, WHEN AN AGENCY REFERS TO AN APPROPRIATE ENTITY, IT'S PROMOTING MORE EFFICIENCY. WE'RE RESPECTING JURISDICTIONAL BOUNDARIES, WHICH THE AG'S OFFICE, BY REFERRING IT TO US, IS RECOGNIZING WE AS A MUNICIPALITY ARE BETTER POSITIONED TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT IMPACT OUR COMMUNITIES DIRECTLY. AND THAT'S WHY WE GET THE REFERRAL. AGAIN, LIKE I MENTIONED, IT IS COMMON PROCEDURAL GOVERNANCE FOR AGENCIES TO REFER THINGS OUT. STATE LABOR DEPARTMENT WILL OFTEN DEFER TO MUNICIPAL HR RULES. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WILL OFTEN REFER ZONING ISSUES TO CITY PLANNING. STATE PROCUREMENT OVERSIGHT WILL OFTEN DEFER TO HOME RULE CHARTERS. THESE ARE NOT -- THIS ISN'T DUPLICATIVE, AND IT'S VERY COMMON PRACTICE WHEN IT COMES TO PROCEDURAL GOVERNANCE. AND TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS ABOUT DUPLICATIVE PROCESS AND ENFORCEMENT OR DOUBLE PUNISHMENT OR STACKING PENALTIES, THE REFER ACTUALLY PREVENTS THAT. I SAY THIS AS AN ACTUAL GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILITY EXPERT WHO WORKS AT THE STATE AUDITORS OFFICE FOR FOUR YEARS WITH ALL 189 MUNICIPALITIES TO ENSURE THAT THIS WAS DONE PROPERLY AND PROCEDURALLY BOUND WITH REGARD TO PROPER GOVERNANCE. THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU. I MIGHT HAVE MISSED SOMETHING. DR. SENGEL, CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE AND I ASKED THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING IF THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE BY PLANNING STAFF, I BELIEVE I WAS TOLD YES. HAS THAT ANSWER CHANGED? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, THAT HAS NOT CHANGED. I THINK THE ONLY STANDARD IN THAT ANSWER WAS THAT WE WOULD NEED ADDITIONAL CAPACITY. BUT WE DO BELIEVE CODE ENFORCEMENT WITH AN ORDINANCE WOULD PRIORITIZE SAFETY IN THEIR ENFORCEMENT. THAT IS NOT CHANGED. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: OKAY. THANK YOU. IT CERTAINLY SOUNDS LIKE FOLKS HAVE HEARD DIFFERENT ANSWERS. SO, I'M GOING TO GO WITH WHAT I'VE SPOKEN TO THE DIRECTOR ABOUT. AND I'VE SPOKEN TO YOU ABOUT, WHICH IS THAT THIS IS A LIFE SAFETY ISSUE THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS INDICATED PUBLICLY THAT THEY CAN PRIORITIZE. SO, THANK YOU FOR THAT ANSWER. I DO WANT TO QUICKLY SAY THAT I WANT TO THANK THE RENTERS WHO SHOW UP HERE TIME AND TIME AGAIN ASKING FOR HELP. I DO WANT TO SAY THAT WE'VE SAID A COUPLE TIMES UP HERE THAT WE JUST NEED TO EXPLAIN TO THEM THEIR RIGHTS. BUT I THINK THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING HERE REGULARLY AND ASKING INTEREST HELP KNOW THEIR RIGHTS. THEY KNOW WHAT THEY SHOULD BE GETTING. AND THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE NOT GETTING. ALL THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS THE CITY TO PROTECT CITY RESIDENTS. I WILL BE VOTE TO HOPEFULLY GET YOU THAT SUPPORT. BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A LITTLE DEMEANING TO SAY YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU NEED. YOU DO UNDERSTAND AND YOU HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS EVERY TIME YOU COME HERE AND GIVE UP TIME, YOUR FREE TIME, TO COME HERE AND ASK FOR ASSISTANCE. AND I REALLY WISH WE WOULD GIVE THAT TO YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM PRESIDENT, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY WHAT I HALL HEARING. PERHAPS I MISHEARD, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT INDICATED THAT THEY WILL DO THEIR BEST TO ENFORCE ALL LAWS AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING, BUT WHEN RESOURCES ARE STRETCHED THIN THEY HAVE TO PRIORITIZE. AND TO ME, HUMAN TRAFFICKING, SEX TRAFFICKING, THINGS LIKE THAT, CHILD ABDUCTION, THAT IS ALSO IMPORTANT. I WOULD HATE TO PIT THESE TWO THINGS TOGETHER WHEN WE CAN ALSO LEAN ON A DIFFERENT AGENCY THAT SHOULD AND ALREADY HAS COMMITTED TO HELPING OUT WITH THAT. >>COUN. PEÑA: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE'LL GO BACK TO COUNCILOR TELLES. >>COUN. TELLES: I JUST -- THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I WANT TO SAY I AGREE WITH COUNCILOR BASSAN. WE DO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS FOCUSING ON THINGS LIKE HUMAN TRAFFICKING, CHILD ABUSE, AND NOT ENFORCING RENTAL PROVISIONS THAT WE CAN BE DOING BECAUSE OF THAT REFERRAL. THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: OKAY. COUNCILOR ROGERS TO CLOSE. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THANK YOU FOR ALL THE COMMENTS, QUESTIONS. IN MY CLOSE, I WANT TO DISPEL A COUPLE THINGS WE HEARD IN PUBLIC COMMENT AND IN OUR DISCUSSION. WE CAN DO ALL OF THE ABOVE. WE CAN ADVOCATE. WE CAN EDUCATE AND WE CAN VOTE YES TO HOLD THE POWER TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO FOR OUR RESIDENTS NOW. WE DO HAVE A CONSUMER PROTECTION OFFICE. WE HAVE ONE PERSON IN THOSE POSITIONS WITH THE ADMINISTRATION AN ADMIN POSITION THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO HIRE TO HELP SUPPORT THIS. WE HAVE THREE DEPARTMENTS THAT WOULD BE WORKING ON THIS, NOT JUST CODE ENFORCEMENT. WE ALREADY HAVE A MECHANISM THROUGH 311 AND ONLINE FOR FOLKS TO SUBMIT CONSUMER REPORTS. THAT'S WHERE THE AG WENT TO SUBMIT THE COMPLAINT TO US. THEY SENT IT THROUGH THE ONLINE PORTAL THAT EXISTS. I WAS THOUGHTFUL BECAUSE PROCESS IMPROVEMENT AND PROCESSES ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO ME. I SPENT THE TIME WORKING WITH THE DEPARTMENT. WORKING WITH OUR ADMINISTRATION SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THE PROCESSES WERE FOUND AND ACTUALLY FOUND SOMETHING WE CAN DO AT THE CITY. BETWEEN CONSUMER PROTECTION, CODE ENFORCEMENT AND CITY LEGAL ENFORCEMENT DIVISION WE ABSOLUTELY CAN DO THIS WORK. WHEN THE PEOPLE OF ALBUQUERQUE ARE SEEING GOVERNMENT DYSFUNCTION AND NOW EVEN AT THE STATE LEVEL, AS PEOPLE WE HAVE TO ACT. WE MUST ACT. IT IS OUR DUTY TO SHOW THE PEOPLE OF ALBUQUERQUE THAT THE CITY HAS THEIR BACK. THEY SHOULDN'T BE ONE AISLE OVER THE OTHER, OR LANDLORDS VERSUS RENTERS. THIS IS ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND FEES. WHEN I WAS HONORED TO BECOME A HOMEOWNER, I WAS AMAZED AT THE TRANSPARENCY I GOT THEN THAT I DID NOT GET AS A RENTER. I KNEW HOW MUCH MY MORTGAGE WAS GOING TO BE. I KNEW MY INSURANCE. HECK I GOT A WHOLE SCHEDULE THAT SAID HOW MUCH INTEREST I WOULD PAY. I GOT NOTIFIED OF PROPERTY TAXES. I WAS AMAZED AT THE TRANSPARENCY IN THOSE CONTRACTS. ENTERING INTO A CONTRACT WITH THE LANDLORD OR A LEASE IS STILL A CONTRACT. IT'S A LEGAL BINDING CONTRACT THAT SHOULD HAVE THE SAME LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY THAT WE GET AFFORDED AS OWNERS. NOW, I ABSOLUTELY AM COMMITTED TO CONTINUING TO DO THE WORK WITH AGs. I'M IN CONTACT WITH THE SPONSOR. WE HAD A PRESS CONFERENCE TALKING ABOUT THAT. I'M WILLING TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT WORK. ABSOLUTELY. RATHER THAN DOING THE WAGE THEFT -- THE WAGE THEFT PROBLEM WE TRIED TO WORK ON HERE IN COUNCIL THAT DIDN'T PASS EITHER, IT'S SOMETHING I KNEW THE AGs OFFICE. $300 MILLION IS STOLEN FROM WORKERS IN THIS STATE EVERY YEAR. THIS BODY REFUSED TO ACT ON THAT. I'M JUST ASKING WE ARE ASKING FOR THE SAME LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY. WE ASKED ON THIS DAIS WHEN WE APPROVE CONTRACTS THROUGH THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE EVEN. WE GET ALL THE TRANSPARENCY ON WHAT THOSE FEES ARE GOING TO COST AND HOW THE CITY IS GOING TO SPEND CITY MONEY. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. WE'VE HEARD DASH YOU KNOW MY STORY. I DON'T WANT TO REPEAT IT. IT'S NOT UNIQUE TO ME. THERE'S HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE CITY FACING HOUSING INSTABILITY BECAUSE OF FINES, FEES, AND WE'RE IN A HOUSING CRISIS. WE HEARD FROM SOMEBODY THAT WAS EVICTED NOT BECAUSE SHE COULDN'T PAY HER RENT, BUT BECAUSE SHE RECEIVED $10,000 IN FEES AND FINES OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. AND MADE HER IN A PASSION WHERE SHE WAS UNSTABLE IN HER HOUSING. WE'RE COLLECTING STORY AFTER STORY. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. WE CAN ACT. WE CAN DO SOMETHING. AND LET'S DO IT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR ROGERS. WE ARE BACK ON O-102 AS AMENDED. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. OPPOSED NO. MOTION FAILS. THANK YOU. NOW, WE ARE ON O-4. COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THIS IS O-4 BY REQUEST. ADOPTING A SMALL AREA TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE INTEGRATED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE TO REMOVE THE PARCEL LOCATED AT 229 BROADWAY. AND PARCEL LOCATED AT 101 LOMAS FROM THE MARTINEZ TOWN CHARACTER PROTECTION OVERLAY ZONE. I MOVE DO PASS. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND ON O-4. ANY QUESTIONS? ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? I'M SORRY. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR DO PASS. WAS THERE A SECOND? OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THIS IS O-26-4 IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL REQUEST WHICH REQUIRES SPECIAL PROCEDURES TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT, STAFF AND PUBLIC THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. THE AGENDA ITEM WILL PROCEED AS FOLLOWS. COUNCIL PLANNING STAFF PRESENTATION, FIVE MINUTES. TESTIMONY BY PUBLIC SPEAKERS, TWO MINUTES. REBUTTAL BY APPLICANT, FIVE MINUTES. CROSS EXAMINATION BY ANYONE WHO SPOKE DURING PUBLIC COMMENT, TWO MINUTES. COMMENTS BY PLANNING DEPARTMENT, FIVE MINUTES. COUNCIL PLANNING STAFF FIVE MINUTES. AND CITY STAFF, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, AND APPLICANTS MUST BE SWORN IN. IF YOU WILL BE SPEAKING ON THIS ITEM AS A STAFF MEMBER OR MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? IT LOOKS LIKE NO. DO YOU AFFIRM UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY THAT YOUR TESTIMONY WILL BE TRUE? THAT'S IT. MR. COX, PLEASE BEGIN. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, JUST WANTED TO -- >>COUN. CHAMPINE: I MAKE A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES TO EXTEND TONIGHT'S MEETING TO 11:30. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND TO EXTEND THE MEET TO 11:30. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. OPPOSED NO. MOTION CARRIES. WE ARE BACK ON MR. COX. PLEASE BEGIN WITH YOUR INTRODUCTION. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS. I AM HERE TO PRESENT ON THE SANTA BARBARA MARTINEZ TOWN BOUNDARY AMENDMENT. CPO STANDS FOR CHARACTER PROTECTION OVERLAY. THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT SHOWS ALL THE EXISTING CHARACTER PROTECTION OVERLAYS WITHIN THE CITY. AND THE IMAGE ON THE LEFT IS THE BOUNDARY THAT WE WILL BE DISCUSSING TONIGHT. MANY CBOs BROUGHT FORWARD SECTOR DEVELOPMENT PLAN REGULATIONS AND THAT'S A NEW ADDED REGULATIONS TO THE GENERAL CITYWIDE REGULATIONS HAD YOU MIGHT FIND IN A ZONE DISTRICT. THE SPECIFIC PROPERTIES THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION AND THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED TO BE TAKEN OUT OF THE CHARACTER PROTECTION OVERLAY ARE 101 LOMAS BOULEVARD NORTHEAST, WHICH IS A BURGER KING AND 229 BROADWAY WHICH IS FORMERLY MANY THINGS BUT MOST RECENTLY A DETENTION POND AND CITY OWNED IN CONJUNCTION WITH AMAFCA. BUT LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF BROADWAY AND LOMAS. ONE POINT TO POINT OUT, YOU WILL FIND A GAP BETWEEN THOSE TWO PROPERTIES. THAT IS AN ACCESS POINT FOR USPS PROPERTY BEHIND THESE. THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE BOUNDARY AMENDMENT. AND WILL REMAIN WITHIN THE CPO. JUST SOME HISTORY TO THE SITE, AS I STATED MOST RECENTLY IT WAS A DETENTION POND UNTIL THE NEW PUMP STATION WAS CONSTRUCTED ACROSS THE STREET. AFTER THAT PUMP STATION WAS CONSTRUCTED, IT WAS DEEMED NOT NECESSARY TO HAVE THAT DETENTION POND ANYMORE. PRIOR TO THE DETENTION POND, THERE WAS ORIGINALLY, PER 1959ARIAL, A FACTORY OF SORTS. AND THE BACHECI'S RAN IT AND CONTRIBUTED TO THE FORMATION OF KIMO. FOR SURROUNDING ZONING AND LAND USES, CURRENTLY THEY'RE BOTH ZONED NRLM WHICH IS NONRESIDENTIAL ZONE DISTRICT. LOOKING AT LIGHT MANUFACTURING. THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL ZONE DISTRICTS TO THE AREA ARE APPROXIMATELY 1100 FEET AWAY TO THE EAST YOU'LL FIND DRIVE THROUGHS SUCH AS STARBUCKS AND SOME OTHER BURGER JOINTS. ON THE WEST SIDE, IT IS THE RAILROAD AND THE PAINT STORE. ON THE SOUTH SIDE IS A CAR RENTAL AND FOUR OR FIVE STORY OFFICE BUILDING. AND ON THE NORTH SIDE IS THE USPS DISTRIBUTION AND OFFICE IN THE AREA. AS FAR AS POLICY OR SURROUNDING POLICY IN THE AREA, BOTH PROPERTIES FALL WITHIN A MAJOR TRANSIT CORRIDOR WHICH HAS CERTAIN ZONING ENTITLEMENTS TIED TO IT. MORE SPECIFICALLY, REDUCED PARKING. AND IN SOME CASES, BUILDING HEIGHT BONUSES. BUT IT IS ALSO WITHIN A QUARTER MILE OF A MAINSTREET CORRIDOR WHICH GIVES US OUR RESIDENTIAL ENTITLEMENTS AND HEIGHT ENTITLEMENTS. AND IT IS CATTY CORNER TO THE MXFBUD ZONE DISTRICT WHICH IS DOWNTOWN FORM BASED ZONE DISTRICT WHICH ALLOWS ESSENTIALLY UNLIMITED HEIGHT. ASI STATED, IT IS NRLM. AND ACCORD TO THE APPLICANT, THE GOAL IS TO REZONE IT TO SOMETHING MORE SENSITIVE AND IN LINE WITH THE EXISTING AREA. THE REASON WHY THE PROPOSAL TO BRING THAT OUT OF THE CHARACTER PROTECTION OVERLAY ARE SOME RESTRICTIONS THAT COME WITH THAT OVERLAY. THE FIRST BEING AN ADDITION OF REQUIRED USABLE OPEN SPACE. WHEN YOU HAVE A RESIDENTIAL UNIT, PART OF A MULTIFAMILY UNIT, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE USABLE OPEN SPACE. IN SOME CASES THAT COULD BE A PLAYGROUND OR GREENERY. WITHIN THE MARTINEZ TOWN CPO, YOU CAN SEE VIA THE NUMBERS, ONE BEDROOM, YOU NEED TO HAVE 300 SQUARE FOOT WHICH IS 75 SQUARE FEET LARGER THAN GENERAL. TWO BEDROOMS, 350 SQUARE FEET. 65 LARGER. THREE BEDROOMS, 400 SQUARE FEET WHICH IS 50 SQUARE FEET LARGER THAN THE GENERAL REQUIREMENT. AND WITHIN THE MXT ZONE DISTRICT, 500 SQUARE FEET. 270 FEET. FIVE SQUARE FEET LARGER THAN GENERAL. I'M VERY CLOSE. BUILDING HEIGHT ALSO FOR RESIDENTIAL AND MIXED USE ZONE DISTRICTS IS LIMITED TO 26 FEET. SITES LESS THAN FIVE ACRES WHICH THIS IS AND 26 FEET IS TWO STORIES. WE DID GO THROUGH THE TYPICAL NOTIFICATION REQUIRED BY THE IDO. SENDING LETTERS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AS WELL AS SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS AND NEIGHBORS WITHIN THE BOUNDARY. BECAUSE OF SOME STUFF FROM STAFF, WE SENT THAT LETTER THREE TIMES AND WE DID MEET WITH THE MARTINEZ TOWN SANTA BARBARA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. TWO STAFF MEMBERS MET WITH NINE DIFFERENT MEMBERS. WE HEARD OPPOSITION TO THE CHANGE. GENERALLY AROUND CONVERSATIONS OF MRA BOUNDARIES AND NEIGHBORHOOD OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY. OUTSIDE THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, WE DID RECEIVE POSITIVE COMMENTS OR NEUTRAL COMMENTS FROM NEIGHBORS AS WELL. AND THEN LASTLY, JUST TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE THREE BOUNDARIES IN THE AREA, THESE TWO PROPERTIES FALL WITHIN DOWNTOWN MRA AND BOUNDARIES ESTABLISHED EARLIER THIS YEAR. AND EXPANDED TO THESE TWO PROPERTIES. THE CHARACTER PROTECTION OVERLAY ON THE LEFT IS THE ONLY PROPERTY BEING AMENDED. THE LIGHT BLUE BOUNDARY IS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BOUNDARY THAT IS NOT CHANGING. ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ITEM OCTOBER 28, 2025. >>COUN. PEÑA: WE'LL MOVE TO TESTIMONY BY PUBLIC SPEAKERS. I THINK WE HAVE THE FIRST SPEAKER SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. CALL HER UP. >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. LORETTA, FOLLOWED BY BERNADETTE. >>COUN. PEÑA: IAN ISN'T ON ZOOM? I THINK I'LL DO IT INDIVIDUALLY. MS. LORETTA, WE'LL HAVE TO SWEAR YOU IN. >>COUN. PEÑA: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU AFFIRM UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY THAT YOUR TESTIMONY TODAY WILL BE TRUE? >> I DO. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. GO AHEAD AND PROCEED. >> IT IS IMPOSSIBLE -- EXCUSE ME. CHAIR, PRESIDENT, ALL COUNCILORS, I'M HERE REPRESENTING SANTA BARBARA MARTINEZ TOWN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. WHILE IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO REMEDY THE MISTREATMENT AND DETERIORATION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BY THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION REQUESTS THIS AMENDMENT TO THE BE DEFERRED. OR THE SUBJECT REQUEST BE DENIED BASED ON STAFF REPORT DATED OCTOBER 28, 2025. PLEASE LISTEN TO THE FOLLOWING ARGUMENT. THE SBMTNA OPPOSED O-26 BECAUSE IT'S A BREAK UP OF THE CITIY'S ZONING PROTECTIONS FOR THE SANTA BARBARA MARTINEZ TOWN NEIGHBORHOOD. THE SUBJECT PARCELS ARE HISTORICALLY PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND DEVELOPMENT DECISIONS INTEREST -- SHOULD BE MADE BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M GOING TO SKIP TO NUMBER FIVE. O-26-4 IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTER. THE ASSOCIATION IS ENTITLED TO IMPARTIAL DECISION MAKER. COUNCILOR BACA IS AN ADVOCATE. THE PRIME MOVER FOR O-26-4. COUNCILOR BACA IS PARTIAL TO THE PROJECT AND SHOULD NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE O-26-4 DECISION. THE COUNCIL RUSHED PUBLIC REVIEW OF O-26-4. COUNCIL STAFF DID NOT REASONABLY CONSALT WITH MARTINEZ DOWN. UNDER THE IDO THE BILL SHOULD BE DEFERRED FOR THE LIKELY EFFECTS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT IS NOT CLEAR WHAT DOCUMENTS THE COUNCIL CONSIDERED AND WILL BE CONSIDERING FOR THIS MATTER. THOSE DOCUMENTS NUMBERED CONSECUTIVE SHOULD BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC FOR REVIEW AND COMMENT WELL BEFORE THE COUNCIL HEARING DATE. O-26-4 APPEARS TO BE ONE PIECE OF A DEVELOPMENT PUSHED BY COUNCILOR BACA AND COUNCIL FOR DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT AND ALL POSSIBLE ACTIONS AND SUBMISSIONS LEAD TO THE BILL SHOULD BE PART OF THE RECORD. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THIS SHOWS OUR MRA THAT WAS TOTALLY IGNORED BY THIS COUNCIL. I THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. WHAT I'M STATING IS IN THE LETTER I SENT TO YOU ON FRIDAY. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER. >> BERNADETTE. >> GOOD EVENING. CAN YOU HEAR ME? >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> YES, MA'AM. >>COUN. PEÑA: I KNOW YOU HAVE VIDEO. I WILL TAKE YOUR WORD. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SWEAR YOU IN. PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. THERE YOU ARE. DO YOU AFFIRM UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY THAT YOUR TESTIMONY TODAY WILL BE TRUE? >> YES, MA'AM. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. YOU CAN PROCEED. >> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCIL MEMBERS. I AM A RESIDENT OF DISTRICT SIX. I'M JUST HERE SPEAKING IN OPIZATION TO O-26-4. THE MRA IS CONSTANTLY THE GOAL POSTS MOVING. IT'S HARD TO KEEP UP WHAT THE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF ZONING CHANGES THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS PUT ON OUR COMMUNITY. TO ME, IT'S LAND THEFT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO TO MARTINEZTOWN. ONE OF THE OLDEST NEIGHBORHOODS IN ALBUQUERQUE. I'M A GRADUATE OF ALBUQUERQUE HIGH. THIS IS NOT RIGHT. PROTECT THIS COMMUNITY. THIS IS OVERSTEPPING. DO NOT PASS THIS. THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. NEXT, WE HAVE REBUTTAL BY THE APPLICANT. FIVE MINUTES. NOW WE HAVE CROSS EXAMINATION BY ANYONE WHO SPOKE DURING PUBLIC COMMENT. THAT WOULDN'T ME NECESSARY BECAUSE THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE. WE HAVE COMMENTS BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. MR. COX. MR. VARELA. >>COUN. BACA: MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. ALTHOUGH I'M DOING THIS BY REQUEST, AND STAFF HAS KEPT ME OUT OF THIS, I HAVE ACTIVELY TRIED TO MOVE THIS. I MOVED THE MOTION TO DO THE MRA AND TIFF. OUT OF ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, I FEEL LIKE I SHOULD RECUSE MYSELF ON THIS ONE AND STEP AWAY FROM THE DISCUSSION AS IT TAKES PLACE. >>COUN. PEÑA: OKAY. THANK YOU. IS THAT PROPER DOCUMENTATION FOR THE RECORD? OKAY, THANK YOU. COMMENTS BY PLANNING DEPARTMENT. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT SUPPORTS THE DECISION TO CHANGE. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. COUNCIL PLANNING STAFF, CLOSING COMMENTS, IF ANY. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, NO COMMENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: OKAY. WITH THAT, WE WILL -- THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR A DO PASS. IS THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE CLARS? -- COUNCILORS? IS THERE SOMETHING PROCEDURALLY THAT -- >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, SINCE THE ORIGINAL MOTION WAS MADE BY COUNCILOR BACA AND HE ELECTED TO STEP AWAY FROM THE VOTE ON THIS MATTER, THEN IT WOULD BE PROCEDURALLY CLEANEST IF ANOTHER COUNCILOR MADE THE MOTION. >>COUN. PEÑA: COUNCILOR GROUT MAKES THE MOTION FOR DO PASS OF O-4. IS THERE A SECOND? THERE'S A SECOND BY VICE PRESIDENT CHAMPINE. I'LL GET USED TO THAT. WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF O-4, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. THE MOTION PASSES, 7-1. WE ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS. IT WAS GOING TO BE REBUTTAL BY THE APPLICANT. BUT THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE. THANK YOU. WITH THAT, IS THERE SOMETHING I'M MISSING? JUST ONE SECOND. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MADAM PRESIDENT -- I JUST WANTED TO -- THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THIS CITY COUNCIL MEETING IS ADJOURNED.