>>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD AFTERNOON, UP WOULD LYING TO CALL THIS CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER. >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ALL RIGHT, THE HEARINGS ARE OPEN. THERE WAS A REQUEST THAT CAME THROUGH ABOUT ITEM 64 TO CONTINUE IT TO A LATER DATE. THE PETITIONER IS HERE. QUASI-JUDICIAL. DO I HAVE TO SWEAR LIMB IN FOR A CONTINUANCE. >> WILLIAM MOLLOY. COUNCILMAN, A TECHNICAL MATTER. MY ENGINEER HAD A FLOODING ISSUE AND WILL ASK FOR YOUR INDULGENCE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHEN DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE IT TOO? >> NEXT AVAILABLE HEARING, SIR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET'S FIND OUT. OCTOBER 3. >> THAT IS FINE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION TO CONTINUE TO OCTOBER 3. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. MR. SHELBY? 1:30 P.M., 301 E. KENNEDY, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602. >> THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM NUMBER 63 IS OUR NEXT HEARING. ITEM. IF YOU WERE GOING TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 63, PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND WE WILL SWEAR YOU IN. [SWEARING IN] >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY REGISTERED ONLINE? YES? >>MARTIN SHELBY: MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE ALL EX-PARTE COMMUNICATION AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC INSPECTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. ITEM 63. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: GOOD AFTERNOON, CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT. ITEM NUMBER 63 IS REVIEW HEARING FOR THE MATTER OF SUB 24-12 FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED 2115 NORTH DALE MABRY HIGHWAY. THE PETITIONER IS ASKING -- APPEALING A DECISION BY STAFF WHO DETERMINED THAT THEIR REQUEST WAS A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE TO A REZONING APPLICATION. CODE SECTION 27-138 ALLOWING FOR AN APPLICANT WHO HAS AN APPROVED SITE PLAN TO ASK FOR CHANGES -- ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS, TO ASK FOR CHANGES FOR THE APPROVED SITE PLAN AS LONG ASKER IN NONSUBSTANTIAL APPROXIMATELY 27-138 PROVIDE THAT PROCESS. AND I PROVIDED YOU A COPY OF THAT CODE SECTION. TO JUST -- JUST TO GO BACK, THE PETITIONER IS REQUESTING TO REDUCE THE SETBACKS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. AS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN REZ 16-66 FROM -- TO 8 FEET -- WHEN THE CODE REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF 10 FEET. SO STAFF DETERMINED THAT THE REQUEST WAS A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE. ACCORDING TO CODE SECTION 27-138, SUBSECTIONS 7. I ALSO PROVIDED YOU A COPY OF THAT CODE SECTION AS WELL. STAFF MADE THAT DECISION ON MAY 31, 2024. IN THE PACKET I PROVIDED YOU ALONG WITH THE CODE SECTIONS I PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, I PROVIDED YOU A COPY OF THE RULES OF PROCEDURES, SAMPLE MOTIONS, AND ALSO CODE SECTION 27-61 SUBSECTIONS SKWLULJ 3 WHICH GOVERNS REVIEW HEARINGS AS STATED IN 27-16 SUBSECTIONSJ 3. DE NOVO REVIEW HEARING WHERE CITY COUNCIL CAN ACCEPT NEW INFORMATION AND TAKE TESTIMONY REGARDING THIS MATTER. POLICE DOCK IS HERE TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICATION AND THE DECISION FROM STAFF. ONCE YOU HEAR FROM ALL THE PARTIES AND EVIDENCE REGARDING THIS MATTER COUNCIL CAN AFFIRM THE DECISION OF STAFF WHO DETERMINED THAT THE REQUEST WAS A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE OR CITY COUNCIL CAN OVERTURN THE DECISION OF STAFF AND DETERMINE THAT THE REQUEST FROM THE PETITIONER IS NONSUBSTANTIAL. SOME THOSE ARE THE TWO ACTION ITEMS CITY COUNCIL CAN TAKE. AND I WILL BE AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT NOW I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MISS DOCK. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS? YES, MISS DOCK. >>LaCHONE DOCK: THANK YOU VERY MUCH COUNCIL. LaCHONE DOCK, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION. AND I HAVE A PRESENTATION. IF WE CAN BRING THAT UP. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THERE IT IS. >>LaCHONE DOCK: OKAY. SO THIS REQUEST AS HAS BEEN REVIEWED WITH YOU IS A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE APPEAL HEARING. THIS IS FOR SUB 24-12. SO THE APPLICANT IS JIM PORTER. PROPERTY 2115 NORTH DALE MABRY HIGHWAY. SO THE REQUEST IS REVIEWED UNDER SECTION 27-138 OF THE ZONING CODE. THE REQUEST, AS MENTIONED TO YOU, AND HAS BEEN BRIEFED, IS -- THE REQUEST IS TO REDUCE THE FRONT YARD SETBACK FROM 10 FEET MINIMUM TO 8 FEET. I WILL SHOW YOU MOMENTARILY THE PICTURES OF THE SITE AND WHAT WE ARE REFERENCING HERE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE SITE. SO THE LOCATION OF THE SITE. THIS IS AN AERIAL. JUST FOR ORIENTATION. THE SITE IS LOCATED WEST OF HIMES AVENUE. IT IS ON DALE MABRY AND BORDERED WITH CHERRY STREET TO THE NORTH. AND WALNUT STREET IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH OF THE SITE, AND IT IS AT THE CORNER. SO THE SITE ITSELF, JUST TO TALK ABOUT THE ZONING FOR A SECOND. THE SITE IS APPROVED THROUGH A PD REZONING. IT WAS APPROVED IN 2016 UNDER FILE REZ-16-66. THAT APPROVAL ALLOWS FOR ALL CI USES ON THE SITE, ALL COMMERCIAL INTENSIVES I HAVE IT USES ARE ALLOWED. THIS COUNCIL HEARS PD REQUESTS BEFORE THEM ALL THE TIME. ANY PDs APPROVED, A FIVE-YEAR TIME FRAME FOR BUILDOUT. IF YOU BUILD BEYOND THAT FIVE YEARS, YOU SUBMIT A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE REVIEW. YOU SUBMIT THAT SITE PLAN. IT IS REVIEWED. AND THAT SITE PLAN SHOULD MIMIC WHAT YOU SUBMIT FOR YOUR BUILDING PERMIT. SO IN 2023, A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE REQUEST WAS SUBMITTED SHOWED THE USE OF THE DRIVE-IN WINDOW AND A RESTAURANT ON-SITE AND ALSO GENERAL COMPLIANCE WITH THE WEST SHORE OVERLAY DISTRICT STANDARDS. SINCE THAT TIME, WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE APPLICANT WENT TO PERMITTING. AND ON THE SECOND ROUND OF PERMITTING REVIEWS IS WHEN IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT THE SETBACK WAS NOT AT 10 FEET. IT WAS AT 8 FEET ON THAT WEST SIDE. SO WE WILL SHOW YOU THAT IMAGE SHORTLY. WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS THE SITE. THE TOP PHOTO IS THE SITE ITSELF. THE FRONT OF THE SITE. THE WEST VIEW. IF YOU ARE ON DALE MABRY AND LOOKING AT THE SITE, LOOKING EAST. THE BOTTOM LEFT PICTURE IS ANOTHER VIEW OF THE SITE, THE FRONT OF IT. AND THIS IS IF YOU ARE SENDING ON THE NORTH END OF IT LOOKING SOUTH. THE BOTTOM PICTURE ON THE RIGHT IS THE EAST END OF THE SITE AND WHERE PATRONS WOULD ENTER THE SITE, THE SUBJECT SITE FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE. SO I WANTED TO SHOW YOU ALSO THE SITE, WHAT ELSE IS ON THE SITE. SO IF YOU WERE HEADED NORTH ON DALE MABRY AND YOU TURN RIGHT INTO THE SITE, WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU IS THE HOTEL. THE PICTURE ON THE TOP. THE HOTEL IS DEVELOPED. IF YOU LOOK TO YOUR LEFT, THAT IS THE SITE WHICH IS THE BOTTOM PICTURE. AND THAT IS THE VIEW IF YOU ARE LOOKING NORTH AT THE SUBJECT SITE. SO THERE IS AN ARROW THAT IS THERE. I KNOW SOME OF THE WORD SOMETHING KIND OF OVER THAT ARROW, BUT IT KIND OF POINTS TO THAT COLUMN. ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THAT COLUMN, THAT IS THE FRONT SETBACK AND WHERE IT IS OFF BY TWO FEET. SO IN THE REZONING AND IN THE APPROVED PUBLIC HEARINGSD, IT CALLS OUT AND BY THE WEST SHORE OVERLAY MINIMUM TEN-FOOT SETBACK AND STAFF CANNOT ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVE THE DIFFERENCE IN THE SETBACK. SO AS MENTIONED EARLIER, IT IS IN THE WESTSHORE OVERLAY DISTRICT. DALE MABRY IS A REGIONAL CORRIDOR AND THOSE ARE THE STANDARDS ON THAT REGIONAL CORRIDOR THAT MINIMUM TEN-FOOT SETBACK. STAFF TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THE SITE IS FOR COMMERCIAL EN TEN SIEVE USES AND THAT THE HOTEL IS ALREADY BUILT ON THE SITE ALONG WITH THE RESTAURANT, BUT WE LOOK AT ANY POSSIBLE IMPACTS AND WE DIDN'T FIND ANY FROM THAT CONSTRUCTION. AND WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY OBJECTIONS FLORIDA THE REQUEST. STAFF IS IN SUPPORT OF THE REQUEST. WHAT WE LOOKED AT IN ADDITION TO THE SITE ALLOWING COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE USES .WE LOOK WHENEVER THERE IS A REQUEST FOR RELIEF FROM THE CODE AND POTENTIAL IMPACTS AND NO POTENTIAL IMPACTS FOR ALLOWING THAT SETBACK AT THE 8 FEET. WE LOOKED AT THE FRONTAGE OF THE SITE, THE TRANSPARENCY AND EMBELLISHMENT REQUIREMENTS FOR THE WESTSHORE OVERLAY. WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE. >>LaCHONE DOCK: YES, ABSOLUTELY. >>LYNN HURTAK: BASICALLY THE ISSUE HERE THAT STAFF CANNOT OVERRIDE THE WESTSHORE OVERLAY? >>LaCHONE DOCK: CORRECT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BUT STAFF IS IN SUPPORT OF OVERTURNING THE DE DENIAL. >>LaCHONE DOCK: YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: NOT IN SUPPORT OF OVERTURNING THE DENIAL, BUT SUPPORTING THE IDEA OF MODIFYING THE SETBACK. >>LaCHONE DOCK: TO THE 8 FEET WHICH IS KIND -- >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU ARE LOOKING AT THAT AS THE SAME THING. >>LaCHONE DOCK: YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: SO -- SO BASICALLY IF THIS WAS INCORRECT -- TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT. IDEALLY THIS SHOULD -- IF THIS ISN'T -- IF THIS ISN'T -- IF THIS IS NOT SOMETHING OF THE WESTSHORE OVERLAY THAT YOU CAN APPROVE WILL HAVE TO COME TO US. BUT INSTEAD OF DOING TWO THINGS, WE ARE LOOKING AT DOING ONE THING. SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BACK US TO TWICE. >>LaCHONE DOCK: SINCE IT IS IT IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE WESTSHORE OVERLAY TO HAVE THAT SETBACK. THEY ARE NOT AT THAT SETBACK. ONE OF THE STAFF CANNOT ADMINISTRATIVELY IS THE SETBACK. ONLY WAY IT IS APPROVED THROUGH CITY COUNCIL AND THAT PROCESS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SO I HAVE A QUESTION. THIS WAS APPROVED AS A PD IN 2016. >>LaCHONE DOCK: YES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WASN'T TOUCHED IN THE FIVE-YEAR PERIOD? >>LaCHONE DOCK: CORRECT. ONCE A PD IS APPROVED AND FIVE YEARS HAVE EXPIRED, STAFF CAN RE-- I DON'T KNOW, REAPPROVE THE -- REAPPROVE JUST THE STAFF APPROVAL AND DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL. >>LaCHONE DOCK: WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THE FIVE-YEAR BUILD-OUT. AFTER THE FIVE-YEAR PERIOD, THE APPLICANT HAS TO SHOW THEY ARE MEETING CODE REQUIREMENTS. AND STAFF REVIEW IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PD PLAN SO THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING THAT IS NOT APPROVED IN THE PD PLAN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GOTCHA, THE PD LIVES FOREVER? >>LaCHONE DOCK: PD IS FOREVER UNTIL SOMEONE COMES BACK AND REZONES IT AGAIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE SETBACK IN THIS CORRIDOR. THAT WE ARE AWARE OF THAT -- T - THAT ARE CURRENTLY EXISTING CONDITIONS. THIS WILL JUST BE ONE OF MANY OR WILL THIS BE JUST THE FIRST ENCROACHMENT IN THAT CORRIDOR? >>LaCHONE DOCK: I I DID NOT LOOK ALONG THAT CORRIDOR. I CAN CHECK AND SEE WHAT IT -- I JUST DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS TO SAY THAT THERE ARE TO MANY WITHIN THIS DISTANCE THAT HAS ENCROACHED. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MAJOR TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR AND WHO KNOWS THE FUTURE -- WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. SO ARE WE APPROVING THAT ONE DAY WE WILL HAVE TO GO BACK AND BUY? THAT IS WHAT I WONDER ABOUT. >>LaCHONE DOCK: ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOKED AT AND CONSIDERED AND REVIEWED THE FACT THERE IS COMMERCIAL TO THE NORTH, COMMERCIAL TO THE SOUTH, AND A STRIP OF DALE MABRY WITH THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY. SO WE JUST DIDN'T FEEL THAT THERE WAS MAJOR IMPACTS AT ALL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I FELT LIKE -- IF I KNEW THERE WERE OTHER EXAMPLES ENCROACHMENTS, I GUESS I WOULDN'T -- IF IT WAS THE FIRST ONE, THEN I MAY BE A LITTLE BIT MORE WARY OF APPROVING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR PRESENTATION. >>LaCHONE DOCK: THAT CONCLUDES. I AM AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DOES THAT INCLUDE THE ENTIRE PRESENTATION BY STAFF? >>LaCHONE DOCK: BY STAFF, YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE APPLICANT WHO WILL HAVE 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT. WE WILL HAVE QUESTIONS AND THEN GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN AND CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS JOHN DIX. I PRACTICE LAW WITH JIM PORTER. SO I'M HERE ON HIS BEHALF. I ALSO HAVE WITH ME CHRIS KERN AND DAVID PANELLA, BOTH OF WHOM WORK WITH -- OR FOR GREEN LANE, THE RESTAURANT IN QUESTION HERE. AND I DON'T WANT TO REHASH ANYTHING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL SAYS AND COGNIZANT AND RESPECTFUL OF EVERYONE'S TIME. I DO WANT TO MAKE JUST A COUPLE POINTS, VERY QUICK POINTS. FIRST OF ALL, GREEN LANE, IF YOU ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT, IS A NEW CONCEPT. IT IS A SALAD -- FRESH SALAD AND WRAP DRIVE-THRU RESTAURANT. THIS PARTICULAR SITE, YOU HEARD IS IT IS ON DALE MABRY, JUST SOUTH TO THE STADIUM. ON YOUR WAY TO THE STADIUM ON THE RIGHT. EXCITING NEW CONCEPT. THE THIRD LOCATION IN TAMPA BAY. THEY ARE WORKING ON THE FOURTH. TWO LOCATIONS IN TAMPA THE OTHER ONE IS ON GANDY. BUT EXCITED WHAT THEY ARE BRINGING. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY ARE DOING, BECAUSE IT IS A DRIVE-THRU, THEY ARE -- WELL, THEY ARE SERVING SALAD BY DRIVE-THRU. THIS IS WHAT YOU HEARD ABOUT IS THE -- THE WALL IN QUESTION AND THE SETBACK ISSUE HERE IS CREATED NOT BY -- I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT -- NOT BY THE BUILDING ITSELF, WHICH IS 37 FEET FROM THE ROAD, BUT BY THIS LITTLE WALL THAT PROTECTS THE DRIVE THROUGH. AND SCREENS THE DRIVE THROUGH. AND THAT SCREENING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PD ITSELF. SO WHEN GREEN LANE WAS TRYING TO DEVELOP THIS RESTAURANT AND I THINK THIS WAS THE MAJOR THEME OF THIS PRESENTATION. THE 8 FEET VERSUS 2 FEET WAS AN HONEST MISTAKE. HE DID EVERYTHING ELSE REQUIRED IN THE CODE AND REQUIRED BY THE PD. DRAFTED THE PLANS WITH AN 8-FOOT SETBACK. THE PLANS WERE APPROVED WITH THE 8-FOOT SETBACK. NOBODY CAUGHT THIS UNLESS CITY STAFF NOTICED IT IN THE SECOND READING -- OR SECOND REVIEW. AN HONEST MISTAKE. AND TWO-FEET DEAL THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHICH IS REALLY JUST THE WIDTH OF THIS COLUMN HERE. WE CAN'T MOVE THE WALL TWO FEET IN, PAUSE IF YOU WERE TO MOVE THE WALL TWO FEET IN, YOU WOULD MESS WITH THE TRAFFIC FLOW. AND IT WOULD BE UNSAFE FOR VEHICLES TO MAKE THIS TURN IN THE DRIVE THROUGH. SO WE CAN'T MOVE THE WALL THE TWO FEET IN. CERTAINLY, IF WE HAD CAUGHT THIS FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, WE COULD HAVE MOVED EVERYTHING TWO FEET. BUT WE CAN'T MOVE THE WALL AND LEAVE THE BUILDING WHERE IT IS. SO WE ARE JUST -- IT IS A MEA CULPA HEARING. WE ARE SORRY. WE WISH WE WOULD HAVE CAUGHT THIS ON THE FRONT END AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. BUT IT STANDS NOW, ALL WE HAVE IS TO ASK FOR FORGIVENESS. IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT RESTRICTIONS. CONSISTENT WITH THE CODE. IT IS AN ATTRACTIVE BUILDING IT IS AN EXCITING CONCEPT. AND WE ASK FOR YOUR INDULGENCE ON THIS TWO-FEET ISSUE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU PUT THE PHOTO BACK UP, IS THIS ALREADY BUILT? >> YES, ALREADY BUILT. THEY HAD A TEMPORARY C.O. AND THEY OPENED AND THEY HAD ROB GRONKOWSKI OUT THERE SERVING IN THE DRIVE-THRU LINE. AND EVERYBODY -- >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS THE PART I WAS UNCLEAR ABOUT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYTHING ELSE? >> THANK YOU, SIR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AT THIS TIME, PUBLIC COMMENT. IF ANYBODY WISHES TO SPEAK FROM THE PUBLIC, PLEASE COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME. YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> STEPHANIE POYNOR. THIS IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE WHY CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO REVIEW LAND USE ISSUES NO MATTER WHAT THAT GOOFY JUDGE HAS TO SAY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU. ANY STAFF? ANY ADDITIONAL STAFF COMMENT? WOULD YOU LIKE REBUTTAL, SIR. WE HAVE FIVE MINUTES. >> DITTO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DITTO MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN VIERA. THE HEARING IS CLOSED. WILL ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION AT THIS TIME? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I MOVE TO OVERTURN THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DECI DECISION SUB-24-12 FOR PROPERTY 31215 NORTH DALE MABRY MABRY HIGHWAY. A NONSUBSTANTIAL CHANGE OF 27-138-7 FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS. THE IMPACT IS DIMINIMUS -- I NOTICED IN THE PHOTOGRAPH THERE WAS ALREADY A MAJOR BILLBOARD THAT SEEMS TO BE IN THE SAME SETBACK AREA SO ALREADY AN OBSTRUCTION IN THE SETBACK. THAT THE -- THIS WAS A -- THIS WAS OBVIOUSLY AN OVERSIGHT OF THE APPLICANT AND THE STAFF THAT MOVED THIS TO THIS POINT FORWARD. AND THE IMPACT ON THE -- ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY IS DIMINIMUS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND. AND AN OVERTURNING OF THE DENIAL. ANY DISCUSSIONS? >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT GENERALLY I RESPECT AN OVERLAY AREA; HOWEVER, NO ONE FROM WESTSHORE IS HERE TO SAY THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS. SO I CAN SUPPORT THE OVERTURNING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY. NO, NO. JUST ENDLESS BAD NEWS. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ALL RIGHT. IT HAS BEEN OVERTURNED. SO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AT THIS TIME BECAUSE OF COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, SHE HAD -- -- PER REQUEST OF COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, MR. ROGERO IS HERE. ITEMS 28, 3, 34 AND 55 ARE THE FIRST GROUP THAT HAVE BEEN PULLED. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO START OFF THE DISCUSSION FOR THESE FOUR ITEMS AND THEN GO TO THE 40 AND 42. >>LYNN HURTAK: SURE. WHOOPS. FORGOT MY OWN RULE TO TURN ON THE LIGHT -- THE MICROPHONE. SO TODAY -- THE REASON I BROUGHT THESE FOUR FORWARD. THESE ARE FOUR RESOLUTIONS MOVING MONEY. THEY ARE MOVING -- THREE OF THEM ARE MOVING FROM PERSONNEL TO OPERATING. AND ONE OF THEM IS MOVING HALF MILLION FROM THE GENERAL FUND IN THE FRANCHISE FEE, THE ELECTRIC FRANCHISE FEE TO OPERATING EXPENSES. THE THING I WANTED TO TALK TO -- A, I WANTED COUNCIL TO KNOW THAT THIS -- THIS SEEMS TO BE THE BEGINNING OF SORT OF TRUEING UP OUR BUDGET TO SOME DEGREE; HOWEVER, I HAD MADE A MOTION FOR NOVEMBER, LOOKING AT ROLLOVER. AND MOVING MONEY NOW THAT MOST OF US WOULD EXPECT TO BE IN THE ROLLOVER CATEGORY IS OBVIOUSLY NOT GOING TO BE IN THE ROLLOVER CATEGORY THAT WE ARE GOING TO GET IN NOVEMBER. SO WHEN DOES THIS NORMAL TRANSFER OF FUNDS FROM CATEGORIES WHERE IT WON'T BE USED INTO OTHER CATEGORIES WHERE IT WILL BE USED. WHEN DOES THAT NORMALLY BEGIN WITHIN A BUDGET CYCLE. >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, MA'AM. DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER. IT CAN TAKE A COUPLE -- IT CAN HAPPEN IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PERIODS. THESE PARTICULAR ITEMS ARE DONE BECAUSE THESE DEPARTMENTS HAVE -- I WON'T WANT TO SAY IMMEDIATE BUT NEED OF OPERATING OPPOSED TO THEIR PERSONNEL ACCOUNT. IDEALLY, AFTER WE CLOSE THE BOOKS OUT, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, WE WILL BE ABLE TO -- YOU KNOW, AS WE DISCUSSED BEFORE, WE WILL BE ABLE TO SHOW COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC AND THE MAYOR, HERE IS WHERE WE ARE CLOSING THE BOOKS AND WHAT WE ARE ENDING UP WITH, COMPARED TO WHAT WE PROJECTED. WE WERE FORTUNATE IN THE PAST, AND WE HAVE BEEN FORTUNATE THIS YEAR, IT HAS BEEN MORE THAN WE ANTICIPATED. I THINK THAT -- I THINK THE DISCUSSION GOING FORWARD IS CENTERING AROUND -- AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR YOU. COUNCIL HAVING MORE INPUT INTO THAT AND AT AN EARLIER TIME. SO THESE WOULD BE -- I DON'T WANT TO CALL THEM ANOMALIES, BUT TAKING THESE ACTIONS FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. THEY HAVE THAT IMMINENT NEED FOR AN OPERATING EXPENSE. IT ALSO CANDIDLY IS BETTER OPTICS USING, FOR INSTANCE, THE FRANCHISE FEES THEN PULLING IT FROM FUND BALANCE. WE HAVE UNANTICIPATED. WE ARE MAKING A LITTLE BIT MORE IN FRANCHISE FEES THAN WE THOUGHT WE WOULD. MATCH THAT ANTICIPATED REVENUE TO THIS EXPENSE. FROM A LARGER PERSPECTIVE, I -- I AM INFERRING -- AND YOUR QUITE RIGHT. IF THESE OPERATING EXPENSE NEEDS DID NOT EXIST WOULD ROLL THE FUND BALANCE AND BE THE ACTUAL PROJECTION. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, IT DOES. I WANT TO BRING TO EVERYONE'S ATTENTION. WE ARE NOT NECESSARILY IN A ROLLOVER REPORT, WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET WHAT THE FULL ROLLOVER WOULD BE. I WANTED FOLKS TO JUST UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS KIND OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT NOW. WE ARE APPROVING THESE TRANSFERS. AND THAT IS THE WHOLE REASON I DIDN'T WANT THE DEPARTMENT HEADS TO BE HERE. I AM NOT FOCUSED ON THE ACTUAL TRANSFERS -- THE INDIVIDUAL TRAUMA BEHIND IT, I WANTED TO LOOK AND MAKE COUNCIL AWARE THAT, YES, THESE ARE THOSE CHANGES AT THE END OF THE YEAR THAT WE CAN BE IMPACTING NOT THAT WE CAN'T IMPACT ANY TIME, BUT THIS IS THE END OF YEAR POSSIBLE ROLLOVER BASS AND IT WE ARE ROLLING IT OVER BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR. >>DENNIS ROGERO: VERY GOOD WAY TO PUT IT. YES, MA'AM. >>LYNN HURTAK: SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE -- GOING FORWARD, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO THEN ALONG WITH THE NOVEMBER 21 REPORT ON ROLLOVER, I WOULD LIKE TO -- TO RECEIVE A LIST OF -- OF THESE MOVEMENTS FROM ONE EXPENSE ACCOUNT TO THE OTHER THAT -- THAT -- THAT ARE ACTUATING THIS TYPE OF MOVEMENT. >>DENNIS ROGERO: UNDERSTOOD. >>LYNN HURTAK: BASICALLY FROM NOW -- FROM THE BEGINNING OF SEPTEMBER UNTIL WE GET THAT ROLLOVER REPORT, WHERE DID THESE FUNDS THAT WEREN'T NECESSARY IN ONE PLACE MOVED TO ANOTHER THAT WON'T BE INCLUDED IN THE ROLLOVER? >>DENNIS ROGERO: UNDERSTOOD. THAT WOULD -- IN OTHER WORDS, WOULD MITIGATE THE AMOUNT MUCH FUND BALANCE. >>LYNN HURTAK: CORRECT. I WANT US TO UNDERSTAND IT AND THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND IT A BIT MORE. I REALIZED WHEN I MADE THAT MOTION FOR NOVEMBER 21, I WASN'T GOING TO BE INCLUDING THESE TYPES OF CHANGES. WHEREAS AS -- AS STEWARDS OF THE BUDGET, WE SHOULD BE PAY BE MORE ATTENTION HOW THIS MOVES AROUND. I ASKED EACH DEPARTMENT HEAD WHEN THEY CALLED ME, DOES THIS MEAN YOU HAVE ENOUGH MONEY IN YOUR FY '25 BUDGET TO COVER THESE THINGS GOING FORWARD AND ALL HAVE ASSURED ME THEY DID. BUT, AGAIN, SOMETHING TO KIND OF BRING UP AND BRING FORWARD. >>DENNIS ROGERO: I APPRECIATE THAT AND IF I CAN ADD A LITTLE CONTEXT AND IN TALKING TO THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS ARE, HE WERE TALKING BEHIND THE SCENES ALSO, AND I THINK THEY ARE QUITE RIGHT. IN TOTAL, THEY HAVE ENOUGH FUNDING YET WE CAN'T MOVE FUNDING FROM PERSONNEL TO ACTION WITHOUT COUNCIL ACTION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THESE ARE WHAT WE CALL AT THE CLOSING. AM I CORRECT? IN A BIG BUSINESS YOU DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS. YOU LOOK AT THE BOOKS AND THINK THAT WILL HAPPEN. BUT AFTER YOU CLOSE, THE CLOSING -- WHAT HAPPENED TO THE MONEY SO WE CAN GET THE AFTER CLOSING -- WHERE ALL THE MONEY CAME FROM AND WHERE IT IS BEING SPENT. AND MAYBE MISS HAGAR CAN WORK WITH THE COUNCIL AND YOURSELF TO GET WHAT WE ASKED FOR. THAT'S IT. >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, SIR. >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST TO GO PACED ON WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT TUESDAY NIGHT. A BUDGET IS REALLY OUR PRIORITIES, AND I KNOW THAT SOME COUNCILMEMBERS ARE LOOKING FOR MONEY TO BE USED IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. I THOUGHT THAT BUT JUST SEEING THIS CAN HELP US GET A BETTER HANDLE OF THE END OF THE YEAR TO KEEP AN EYE FOR THE FUTURE. >>DENNIS ROGERO: UNDERSTOOD. >>LYNN HURTAK: MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: [ INAUDIBLE ] >>LYNN HURTAK: I DID. I MADE A MOTION TO -- [ INAUDIBLE ] >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, I AM SORRY, SO AFTER PEOPLE SPEAK, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THAT MOTION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CAR CARLSON, YOUR MICROPHONE. >>BILL CARLSON: THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO ADD WE NEED A BETTER MECHANISM OF BEING FLAGGED OF MAJOR CHANGES IN REVENUES. IF -- IF -- IF THE REVENUES IF, FOR EXAMPLE, A POT OF $5 MILLION AND REVENUES ABOVE PROJECTIONS. IF THAT -- IF WE HAD -- WE HAD A DISCUSSION FOR TWO HOURS OR WHATEVER ABOUT A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS THE OTHER NIGHT. IF THERE WAS $5 MILLION OR $10 MILLION OR MORE, WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE THE COMMUNITY AND CITY COUNCIL DISCUSS IT. INSTEAD -- THIS IS EXAMINATION, BUT INSTEAD 50 $100,000 LINE ITEM CHANGES AND NEVER SEEN THERE WAS $5 MILLION THERE. SOMEHOW WE NEED A BETTER WAY OF FLAGGING. NOT JUST THE TRANSACTIONS BUT WHAT IS THE CUMULATIVE TOTAL OF THE EXCESS AND WE SHOULD KNOW IN ADVANCE TO TELL THE COMMUNITY ABOUT IT. >>DENNIS ROGERO: GIVE YOU THE BIG PICTURE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I ECHO WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND CARLSON SAID. PART OF THE PROBLEM. CLEARLY THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN COUNCIL AND ADMINISTRATION IS ALWAYS YOU A WORK IN PROGRESS. AND, YOU KNOW, TURF PROTECTION AND TRUST AND COMMONSENSE ISSUES. THAT DOOR SWINGS BOTH WAYS, YOU KNOW, OF WHERE PEOPLE ARE. A LOT OF TIMES WHEN YOU SEE THINGS LIKE THIS, YOU WONDER -- YOU WONDER OF TRANSPARENCY ISSUES AND SOMETHING -- A HIDDEN AGENDA. I THINK WITH REPORTS LIKE, I THINK IT WOULD ALLEVIATE THAT KIND OF -- YOU KNOW, THEIR CURIOSITY, LIKE, WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO PULL. THAT KIND OF -- THAT -- YOU KNOW, THAT LINGERS IN THE BACK OF THE MIND WHEN YOU SEE THESE KIND OF THINGS. WE ARE -- WE DON'T -- WE ARE NOT IN -- IN THE TRENCHES 40 HOURS A WEEK OR 60 HOURS A WEEK LIKE YOU GUYS ARE. WE TIP OUR TOES IN IT AND THEN PULL IT BACK OUT. IT IS DIFFICULT FOR US TO KEEP UP AND UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU GUYS ARE ACTUALLY DOING. THANK YOU. >>DENNIS ROGERO: IF I CAN RESPOND. I APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK I AM PRETTY CLEAR OF THE PHILOSOPHY AND THE INTENT. I JUST WROTE IT DOWN. PROBABLY THE BIGGEST QUESTION RIGHT NOW, WHAT IS THE BEST MECHANISM? IF YOU LET US EXPERIMENT AND PROVIDE DRAFTS OF THE BEST RECOMMENDATIONS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A TO AMEND MY MOTION -- SORRY, I DON'T HAVE THE DATE WHEN I MADE THE MOTION, BUT A MOTION FOR NOVEMBER 21, THAT WOULD NOT ONLY BRING THE ROLLOVER BUT RECEIVE A LISTING OF ALL OF THIS TYPE -- OF ALL OF THE MOVEMENT FROM ONE -- ONE LINE ITEM TO ANOTHER FOR THESE TYPES OF PURPOSES, FOR -- MISS COPESKY, CAN YOU. HE ME WORD THAT? I CAN SEE YOU THINKING ABOUT IT IN YOUR HEAD. IF YOU CAN, FEEL FREE TO COME UP. BUT BASICALLY I AM THINKING OF MOVING FROM ONE BUCKET OF MONEY TO ANOTHER BUCKET. >>DENNIS ROGERO: CAN I TRY? PERHAPS A LIST -- I THOUGHT YOU WANTED TO BEGIN IN MONTH, A LIST OF FINANCIAL TRANSACTIONS THAT WOULD REDUCE THE ANTICIPATED -- SORRY, REDUCE THE ACTUAL FUND BALANCE FOR FISCAL 2024. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS PERFECT. DID YOU GET THAT? THAT IS THE AMENDED MOTION I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE. >>DENNIS ROGERO: SORRY, IF I CAN SAY ONE THING. THERE IS A CHANCE GOING BY FISCAL YEAR 23 ACE EXPERIENCE. WE DID NOT HAVE THE BOOKS ENTIRELY CLOSED UNTIL THE END OF NOVEMBER. SO RATHER THAN BRING YOU A REQUEST -- A POTENTIAL REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE, WOULD DECEMBER BE ACCEPTABLE. >> I WILL KEEP IT AT NOVEMBER 21. IF YOU NEED TO CONTINUE IT, THAT WILL BE ABSOLUTELY FINE WITH ME AND LET YOUR OFFICE KNOW AS SOON AS I KNOW. THAT IS GENERALLY AND KEEP IT ALL TOGETHER. >> WE HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND. >> SECOND. >> SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. DOES THIS CONCLUDE THE DISCUSSION OF THE GROUP OF FOUR OR JUST NUMBER ONE. >>LYNN HURTAK: THE GROUP OF 4. I HAVE ONE MORE BECAUSE I THINK COUNCILMAN CARLSON BROUGHT UP A REALLY GOOD POINT OF SOMETHING WE DIDN'T CONSIDER. ALSO IN THAT NOVEMBER 21 MEETING WHICH, IF YOU NEED TO MOVE FORWARD, WE -- YOU WILL LET ME KNOW. I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO ALSO LOOK AT OUR REVENUE. ALL OF OUR REVENUE SOURCES, WHAT WENT UP AND WHAT WENT DOWN. ONLY A FINITE NUMBER OF REVENUE SOU SOURCES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION. >>DENNIS ROGERO: CLARIFICATION, PROSPECTIVE -- >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT HAPPENED IN '24. WE WILL STICK WITH '24 FOR ALL OF THESE MOTIONS SO THAT WAY THEY CAN TRAVEL TOGETHER AND IF THEY NEED TO BE CONTINUED, LET ME KNOW. THAT IS A REALLY GOOD QUESTION. FROM THERE, WE CAN CONSIDER WHEN WE GET THAT INFORMATION ON AN ANNUAL BASIS WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, OPPOSED. AT THIS TIME, I AM GOING TO THROUGH ITEMS ONE BY ONE. ITEM NUMBER 20 IN YOUR COMMITTEE. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, I AM -- I AM GOING TO MOVE -- YES, I WILL MOVE ITEM -- I MOVE ITEM 28. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION. ITEM NUMBER 28 OF WHAT WAS PULLED. SECOND FROM COUNCIMAN VIERA. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YOU HAVE ITEMS 3. A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ALL RIGHT, COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAS ITEM NUMBER 34. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON. SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AND THE LAST ITEM OF THIS BUNCH IS UNDER THE COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. ITEM NUMBER 55. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON AND SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? NEXT GROUP. >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU, COUNCIL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAITING FOR COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN TO COME BACK FOR ITEM NUMBER 42. THAT IS COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. MA MANIS MA. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE NEXT ITEM STAFF REPORTS. 70 IS DONE. TAMPA FIRE RESCUE AND THE REAL ESTATE DEPARTMENT TO REPORT ON THE STATUS OF PROPERTY FLEET MAINTENANCE BY FIRE STATION 24. WE HAVE A MEMO FROM CHIEF TRIPP TO GIVE A VERBAL REPORT, BUT I DON'T SEE HER HERE. NEXT UP WE HAVE TPD, CHIEF BERCAW OR A MEMBER OF THE TAMPA IMPLEMENT WHICH WE HAVE SEVERAL FOR ITEM NUMBER 27 REGARDING A SAFETY AND SECURITY PLAN FOR YBOR CITY THAT WILL COMPLY WITH THE CRA FUNDING. ALL RIGHT, TPD WAS HERE. >> MR. MICHELINI HAD MADE A -- A RECOMMENDATION THAT, AS I UNDERSTOOD IT. TO BE ABLE TO USE CRA FUNDING FOR SECURITY, WE HAD TO GO THROUGH A SECURITY PLAN AND THING WAS JUST AN UPDATE ON WHAT THE STATUS OF THIS IS IF WE MET THE QUALIFICATION AND THE RRA. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL. MAYOR CHIEF CATE AND MAJOR DEFELSE FROM THE TAMPA DEPARTMENT. I WILL LET MAJOR DE FELISE TALK. WE WANT SAFETY FOR THE WHOLE CITY AND FOCUSSING THIS PART JUST FOR YBOR. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL. WE ARE HERE TO GO OVER THE YBOR SAFETY AND SECURITY PLAN AND THE DISCUSSION OF THE HISTORY OF THE DEPLOYMENT FOR THAT AREA HISTORICALLY THE YBOR DISTRICT HAS SEEN AN INCREASE IN NIGHT LIFE PARTICULARLY IN THE WEEK ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY WE HAVE SQUADS OFTEN THE WEEKEND TO DISCUSS THE INCIDENTS THAT GO ON IN YBOR CITY. MONITORING AS A WHOLE AND M.O.T. FOR TRAFFIC AND CLOSING MAN TO GET THE PATRONS OUT OF YBOR CITY WHEN IT WAS DONE EVENTS THAT TOOK PLACE OCTOBER 29 FOR THE NEED OF -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN WE GET THE TV CAMERA ON MAYOR DEFELISE SO THE PUBLIC CAN SEE HIM. WE HAVE NO SIGNAL. CAN YOU SEE YOURSELF ON YOUR SCREEN SIR? >> NO, SIR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU CAN SEE -- OKAY. >> THERE IS A WHOLE BUNCH OF -- >>LYNN HURTAK: THERE YOU GO. >> A TECH WIZARD. SAFETY AND SECURITY PLAN IS ALSO UNDER CONSTANT REVIEW LOOKING AT BEST PRACTICES AND WHAT IS GOING TO WORK. AND AFTER THE 29th TRAGEDY AND TO ENHANCE THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF THAT AREA. AND IN THE SHORT TERM, WE INUNDATED THE AREA WITH OFFICERS OF THE TRUST AND CALM AND MAKE SURE THAT SECURITY AND SAFETY WAS STORED IN THAT AREA. WE WENT AND CONDUCTED A SITE VISIT TO ORLANDO WHICH HAS A SIMILAR DOWNTOWN AREA THAT MIRRORS OURS AND LOOKED TO SEE WHAT THEIR BEST PRACTICES WERE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OFF -- OFF OF THAT WAS THE MAJORITY OF THE UNITS THAT THEY USED ARE OFF-DUTY UNIT. THEY ARE NOT USING ON-DUTY RESOURCES AND ADOPTED THAT MODEL AS WELL. WE UPDATED OUR SAFETY AND SECURITY PLAN. WE NOW USE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF OFF DUTY RESOURCES THAT COME IN TO HELP SUPPLEMENT THE ALREADY UNITS THAT ARE WORKING IN AREA. IT ADDRESSES SAFETY VIA AN INCREASE OF POLICE PRESENCE, PROACTIVE PATROL, AND ADDITIONAL OPERATIONS THAT GO ON IN THE AREA TO DETER THE CRIME. THAT INCREASED PRESENCE, WHEN PEOPLE SEE THAT, ONLY 7th AVENUE SURROUNDING AREA DETERS PEOPLE FROM WANTING TO COME IN THAT DISTRICT WANTING TO DO BAD THINGS. WE DISCUSSED THE NEED FOR PARTNERS. WHAT WE DID, WE LOOKED AT OUR AVAILABLE RESOURCES AND PARTNERED WITH OTHER CITY ENTITIES THAT INCLUDE TAMPA FIRE RESCUE. WE HAVE BIKE MEDIC AS STAPLE ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHT. THEY ARE ABLE TO CUT THROUGH THE TRAFFIC AND MANDEL MEDICAL CALLS FOR SERVICE MUCH MORE EFFICIENTLY THAN BEFORE. WE UTILIZE THE FIRE MARSHAL AND THAT IS THE KEY IN OCCUPANCY OF SOME OF THE CLUBS AND ESTABLISHMENTS THAT MAY BE GOING OVER AND CAUSING A PROBLEM TO THE OVERALL FLIGHT IN THE AREA. AND WE US WILL CODE ENFORCEMENT. CODE ENFORCEMENT COMES OUT WITH US ON A WEEKLY BASIS. THEY ARE WITH US AND THEY USUALLY HAVE TWO OFFICERS AS WELL AS A SUPERVISOR THAT COME OUT AND LOOKING AT ANY AND ALL CODE VIOLATIONS WHICH KEEP THE BUSINESSES OPERATING PROPERLY. ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS WE HAVE SEEN ARE QUEUE LINES AND WHY THAT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE SIDEWALK SPACE IS TAKEN UP BY AN UNRULY LINE AND MAKES IT DIFFICULT FOR PATRONS TO PASS THROUGH SINCE WE DO KEEP THE ROADS OPEN AS LONG AS WE CAN NOW. ALSO THE YES TEAM. THE YES TEAM IS INSTRUMENTAL DOWN THERE TO HIGHLIGHT THEIR IMPORTANCE. A LOT OF THE CONCERNS ARE QUALITY OF LIFE DRIVEN. WE HAD A GRAFFITI ARTIST DOWN THERE. AND A LARGER UNDERWORLD TO THAT AND TAGGING A LOT OF PLACES IN YBOR CITY CONTRIBUTING TO OVERALL BLIGHT. ABLE TO UTILIZE ONE OF THE IS THES -- ONE OF THE YES TEAM MEMBERS WITH THE INFORMATION THEY HAD AND ABLE TO SOLVE A CRIME BY GIVING US VALUABLE INFORMATION THAT LED TO THE IDENTITY OF ONE OF THOSE PERPETRATORS. WHEN I SAY WHY THAT IS A BIG DEAL, IT IS BECAUSE HE WAS 15 -- ABOUT 15 OF THE TAGGING INCIDENTS WERE ATTRIBUTED TO HIM BECAUSE THEY USE UNIQUE MONIKERS AND 15 TO HIM AND EIGHT CLOSURES WITH ANOTHER PERSON ARRESTED FOR IT. SO WE SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE UTILIZATION OF OUR CITY ENTITIES COMING TOGETHER AND WORKING COLLABORATIVELY HAVE SEEN AND PAID DIVIDENDS IN THAT DISTRICT. WE PLAN TO INCREASE THE CAMERA SYSTEM AND TECHNOLOGY IN THE DISTRICT, WHICH IS GOING TO TAKE OUR NUMBER OF CAMERAS AND ESSENTIALLY TRIPLE IT. PROVIDE FOR GREATER COVERAGE. OUR RTTC CAN MONITOR THAT AREA AND SEE THINGS BEFORE THEY HAPPEN. IF THINGS DON'T LOOK RIGHT, THEY ARE ABLE TO LET OFFICERS KNOW THAT IT IS A PLACE THAT OFFICERS ARE NOT CURRENTLY STANDING OR PATROLLING AND THEY ARE ABLE TO ALERT THEM TO IT, AS WELL AS IT LET'S US GET MORE EVIDENCE. SO WHEN CRIMES DO OCCUR, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PLAY TAPES BACK, GET THAT VIDEO SURVEILLANCE WHICH LEADS TO HIGHER CLOSURE RATES FOR CRIMES THAT ARE COMMITTED IN THE AREA CRA FUNDING. CURRENTLY THE CRA FUNDS $250,000 AND CONTRIBUTE THAT TO THE OFFICERS THAT WORK IN AN OFF-DUTY CAPACITY TO COME IN WHEN THEY ARE NOT WORKING. WE ARE LOOKING FOR MORE TECHNOLOGY CAMERAS ETC. NOISE DETECTION EQUIPMENT TO HELP BOLSTER WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE. ONE OF THE GOOD THINGS ABOUT TE TECHNOLOGY WE HAVE IN PLACE IS THAT IT IS UPSCALABLE MEANING WE CAN ADD THINGS TO DO IT OPPOSED TO BUYING EQUIPMENT AND DOWN THE LINE HAVING TO REPLACE THE EQUIPMENT. WE CAN UPGRADE IT VERY EASILY AND ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF HAVING THAT. WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR MORE FUNDING FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT AND TAMPA FIRE RESCUE TO HAVE THEM DOWN THERE ON A MORE FREQUENT AND REGULAR BASIS. ALSO LOOKING TO EXPAND THE YES TEAM. THE VALUE THEY PROVIDE DOWN THERE BEING AMBASSADORS. THEY ARE EYES AND EARS AND ACT AS WE WOULD SEEING THINGS AND BENG ABLE TO REPORT IT TO US QUICKER THAT WILL ALLOW US TO HAVE A QUICKER RESPONSE. THE OVERALL SAFETY AND SECURITY PLAN. AND WE ARE PREPARED TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THEM. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE DO NOT HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE STAFF REPORTS. COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: IF I COULD. MR. MICHELINI WAS THE ONE THAT I WONDER IF WE CAN ASK HIM IF THIS ANSWERS HIS QUESTION THAT HE HAD THAT MEETS THAT CRITERIA. >>LYNN HURTAK: WILL BE DONE OFF-SITE -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR. >>LUIS VIERA: REQUEST FOR MICHELINI. I AM FINE WITH THAT. IT IS YOUR MOTION. >>BILL CARLSON: I MAKE A MOTION TO ASK -- THE IDEA OF THIS CAME FROM MR. MICHELINI. I WANT TO KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTIONS THAT HE HAD RELATED TO THIS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THEY DIDN'T SAY YES OR NO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, MR. MICHELINI. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? DOES THIS SATISFY THE -- >>. >> I THINK -- THE QUESTION RELATED TO THE CRA FUNDING. AND WHEN WE MET WITH THE POLICE CHIEF AND MAYOR DEFELISE, WOULD APPRECIATE ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THE ACTIVITIES HE JUST OUTLINED. TO GET CRA FUNDING, YOU HAVE TO MAKE A FINDING FROM CITY COUNCIL AND REFER IT TO THE CRA FOR THAT REQUEST TO BE CONSIDERED. AND THAT -- THAT IS WHAT -- THAT IS WHY IT WAS BROUGHT TO THE CITY COUNCIL FIRST. AND SO, YES, THIS -- THE -- THE ACTION PLAN HE LAID OUT, I THINK QUALIFIES WHAT THE CITY REQUIRE TO REFER IT OVER TO CRA FOR CONSIDERATION OF ADDITIONAL FUNDING. >>BILL CARLSON: IF I COULD. DOES ANYBODY FROM LEGAL OR STAFF KNOW -- MR. MASSEY, DO YOU KNOW WHAT FORM THAT WOULD TAKE? DO YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF MOTION WE NEED TO MAKE? >>MORRIS MASSEY: MORRIS MASSEY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT. WHAT THE CRA STATUTE, THAT THE CRA CAN FUND COMMUNITY POLICING ACTIVITIES. AND COMMUNITY POLICING ACTIVITIES ARE DEFINED IN THE STATUTE AS -- AS TPD TYPE OF ACTIVITIES NOT PRIVATE SECURITY TYPE OF ACTIVITIES. INCREASED SECURITY OVER AND ABOVE WHAT WOULD NORMAL ALLEY BE PROVIDED BY THE CITY OF TAMPA. >>BILL CARLSON: DOES CITY COUNCIL NEED TO MAKE A MOTION? >>MORRIS MASSEY: CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO APPROVE A PLAN PROPOSED BY TPD. YOU ALREADY PROVIDING -- THE CRA IS ALREADY PROVIDING $250,000 FOR YBOR 1 FOR COMMUNITY POLICING EFFORTS. IF THAT PLAN REQUIRES ADDITIONAL FUNDING AND IF THERE IS ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR YBOR 1 AND 2, WE CAN LOOK TO AMEND THE BUDGET AND PROVIDING ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO IMPLEMENT THOSE POLICIES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO MAKE SURE -- I AM NOT AGAINST THIS AT ALL. BUT THE SAME SEVEN MEMBERS SERVE AS CITY COUNCIL SERVE AS THE CRA. IF WE ASK THEM -- OR THE CRA SUPPOSED TO ASK US. >>MORRIS MASSEY: CITY COUNCIL HAS TO BLESS THE PLAN THAT THE TPD BROUGHT FORWARD. ONCE YOU BLESS THE PLAN, WE HAVE TO COST OUT HOW MUCH IT WILL COST TO IMPLEMENT IT. IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL FUNDING REQUIRED, THAT REQUEST, ONCE THE PLAN HAS BEEN APPROVED BY Y'ALL'S COUNCIL, IT CAN MOVE FORWARD TO THE CRA FOR THAT FUNDING REQUEST. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: FOR THEM TO ASK US WHEN WE SIT AT THE CRA BOARD? >> LET ME JUST MAKE ONE STATEMENT TO BE CLEAR. THIS WAS NOT FOR PRIVATE PROPERTIES. THIS IS FOR THE ENTIRE YBOR CITY DISTRICT. THAT HAS AWAY I WAS TALKING ABOUT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, MAKE A MOTION TO THE EFFECT OF WHAT MR. MASSEY DISCUSSED? >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH. MOTION TO APPROVE THE PLAN -- THE -- WHAT WAS IT, THE PUBLIC SAFETY PLAN PRESENTED -- >>MORRIS MASSEY: COMMUNITY POLICING PLAN. >>BILL CARLSON: APPROVE THE COMMUNITY POLICING PLAN PRESENTED BY TPD AND REQUEST THE -- THE CRA BOARD AND STAFF TO CONSIDER SUPPORTING IT WITH FUNDING. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF YOU CAN INCLUDE THE TWO NAMES OF THE POLICE OFFICERS MAYOR DE FELISE AND DEPUTY CHIEF CATE. >>BILL CARLSON: AS PRESENTED BY THE TWO POLICE OFFICERS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I MOTION TO DIVIDE IT INTO TWO. ONE TO APPROVE THE PLAN AND THE SECOND FOR THE CRA FUNDING. >>BILL CARLSON: MOTION -- WITHDRAW THE OTHER MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DIVIDE THE QUESTION AND HAVE IT AS TWO DIFFERENT QUESTIONS. >>BILL CARLSON: MOTION TO APPROVE THE COMMUNITY POLICING PLAN FOR YBOR AS PRESENTED BY THE TWO OFFICERS TODAY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND A SECOND. SAME FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? NOW THE CRA. >>BILL CARLSON: WE CAN'T OBLIGATE THE CRA BUT JUST ASK. MOTION TO ASK THE CRA BOARD TO CONSIDER SUPPORTING THIS PLAN WITH FUNDING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED IN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NAY. >>GWEN HENDERSON: NAY. >>MORRIS MASSEY: MAY I SUGGEST NOW THAT THE PLAN HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR TPD TO COME BEFORE THE CRA BOARD WITH DETAILS ABOUT WHAT ADDITIONAL FUNDING MAY BE REQUIRED TO IMPLEMENT A PLAN AND THEN THE CRA CAN ACT UPON THAT AT THAT TIME. THAT MAY BE THE MORE APPROPRIATE WAY TO HANDLE THIS. JUST A SUGGESTION. >>BILL CARLSON: IF I CAN JUST MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT. WE CAN DRILL INTO ALL OF THIS AND HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION ON ANOTHER DAY. AND I APPRECIATE. I KNOW THE OFFICER ARE AVAILABLE OFF LINE TO TALK TO US AS WELL. THE REASON -- ONE REASON TO CONSIDER MORE FUND IN EBAR, A CONCERN OF PLACES LIKE SOUTH HOWARD THAT LIMITED RESOURCE BEING MOVED FROM ONE AREA TO THE OTHER. IF WE ARE ABLE TO BETTER COVER MULTIPLE AREAS OF THE CITY AT THE SAME TIME WITH ADDITIONAL FUNDING AND THE FEELING IN YBOR IS SO DESPERATE THAT THE GROUP OF BUSINESS OWNERS LOBBIED THE STATE FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT TO DO THIS. WE WILL SEE WHAT THE STATE COMES FORWARD WITH. IF WE CAN DO OUR BEST WITH TPD BECAUSE OUR FOLKS ARE THERE EVERY DAY AND KNOW HOW TO SOLVE THE ISSUES. THANK YOU. >>LYNN HURTAK: MR. MASSEY. >>MORRIS MASSEY: YES, MA'AM. >>LYNN HURTAK: THE LENGTH OF TIME BEFORE THE YBOR 1 SUNSETS. >>MORRIS MASSEY: I WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE POLICE. 2041. LITTLE AFTER THE 2034 THAT MOST OF THE OTHERS LAPSE. THEY GO LATER. FIVE TO SIX YEARS. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY, SO -- SO ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO LOOK AT WHILE I APPRECIATE THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING AND WE CAN ADD ADDITIONAL FUNDING. WHILE ADDING ADDITIONAL FUNDING, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO START HAVING THE CONVERSATION WHAT HAPPENS WIN THAT FUNDING DISAPPEARS. ANY TIME YOU ADD ANYTHING ADDITIONAL, PEOPLE EXPECT IT. SO HOW WE DO THAT GOING FORWARD IS OF MAJOR CONCERN TO ME. NOT SAYING WE DON'T NEED THAT. WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE GOING FORWARD FOR THE CITY? MAST MARRS THAT'S CORRECT. ONE OTHER THING AND MORE IMPORTANT FOR THE CRA BOARD MEMBER. AMOUNT OF TIF DOLLARS FROM YBOR 1 AND 2 IS MUCH MORE LIMITED THAN A LOT OF THE OTHER CRAs. YOU GOT OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE ONGOING LIKE THE REBRICKING OF 7th. OTHER INITIATIVES THAT WE MAY HAVE -- WITH YOU ALL AS POLICYMAKERS MAY HAVE TO WEIGH WHERE YOU WANT THE DOLLARS TO GO. BECAUSE THERE IS A LIMIT ON HOW MUCH TIF DOLLARS WE HAVE AVAILABLE IN THOSE AREAS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT CONCLUDES EVERYTHING, COUNCILMAN CARLSON? ALL RIGHT, WE WILL GO BACK TO 40 AND 42. ITEMS PULLED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FOR DISCUSSION. >> MR. MANISCALCO, CAN I ADD ONE THING. OUR COMMITMENT TO SAFETY AND SECURITY AND LET YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE A TOWN HALL TUESDAY COMING UP CENTRAL ESTURIANO. IF ANYBODY FROM CITY COUNCIL OR PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO COME, ALL T PD STAFF WILL BE THERE. >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD. >>LUIS VIERA: I DON'T KNOW IF THE FIRE ITEM WAS SUPPOSED TO COME -- BECAUSE CHIEF TRIPP -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THESE ITEMS ARE BEFORE. WE ONLY MOVED THEM OUT BECAUSE COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN WAS OUT OF THE ROOM. WE WILL GO TO 40 AND 42. YES, MA'AM. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. THE REASON I PULLED 40 AND 42, IS -- THEY KIND OF GO TOGETHER. THEY ARE BOTH LEASE AGREEMENTS BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE CITY OF TAMPA UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA THE CITY OWNS PROPERTY SURROUNDED BY THE CITY OF TAMPA. AND WE LEASE IT TO THEM. APPEAR THIS NEW -- AND THAT HAS HAPPENED FOR 50 YEARS, AND THE NEW LEASE THAT HAS COME UP -- IN THE FIRST YEAR OF THE DATE OF THE AMENDMENT. THE TEN,T. THE FIRST PAGE OF THE RENEWAL OF THE LEASE AGREEMENT. ONE YEAR, TENANT MAY ELECT TO TAKE FEE TITLE TO THE PREMISE BY PROVIDING WRITTEN NOTICE TO THE LANDLORD. UPON SENTENCE OF SUCH NOTICE BY THE LANDLORD, LANDLORD WILL CONVEY THE PREMISES TO THE TENANT FOR NO ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION. WHICH MEANS NO MONEY. SO I -- NOWHERE IN THIS LEASE AGREEMENT SAY WHAT WE ARE GETTING IN RETURN FOR THIS. SO MY CONCERN, FIRST OF ALL, IS THAT WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THIS PROPERTY IS WORTH GIVING AWAY SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS WORTH. I WANTED TO ASK STAFF IF AN APPRAISAL HAS BEEN DONE ON THIS PROPERTY. >>ABBYE FEELEY: GOOD AFTERNOON, ABBYE FEELEY, DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. IF I MAY FOR JUST A MOMENT KIND OF GIVE A FORM OF THE TWO LEASE DISCUSSIONS THAT ARE BEFORE YOU IN RELATION TO THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA. >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN WE FIRST TALK OF THE FIRST ONE. >>ABBYE FEELEY: AN APPRAISAL WAS NOT DONE. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THE PROPERTY, THE HOLE IN THE DOUGHNUT. THE CITY OWNS THE PROPERTY THAT McKAY AUDITORIUM IS LOCATED ON. THE AUDITORIUM BURNT DOWN IN THE EARLY 1990s AND THE UNIVERSITY REBUILT IT AT THEIR FULL COST OF, I BELIEVE IT WAS UPWARDS OF $10D MILLION. THEY HAVE OWNED, OPERATED AND MAINTAINED THAT FACILITY. NOT A CITY BUILDING. IT IS CITY LAND, BUT THAT BUILDING HAS BEEN THEIR BUILDING FOR ALL OF THESE YEARS. IN RELATION TO THE LEASE, THERE HAVE BEEN A 50-YEAR LEASE. A LEASE -- WE WERE JUST LAUGHING ABOUT AT LUNCH, IN EFFECT BEFORE MANY OF US WERE BORN. AND IT CAME UP A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO THAT THE LEASE WAS APPROACHING ITS EXPIRATION. AND MUCH LIKE HOW WE DISCUSSED NEXT THIS MORNING, WE ENTERED INTO NEXT WITH THE UNIVERSITY. IT WAS REBECCA JOHNS AND MYSELF TO GO TO THE TABLE WITH THEM. AND WE TALKED ABOUT NOT ONLY WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN 50 YEARS, BUT WHERE WE ARE GOING IN THE NEXT 50 YEARS. BECAUSE IS THIS REALLY WAS DEALING WITH MORE THAN JUST McKAY. IT WAS DEALING WITH PLANT PARK, THAT WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT ALSO, AND OUR NEEDS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE RIVER. OUR NEEDS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE RIVER WITH THE CITY AND THE BUILD GRANT AND THE FOURTH RIVERWALK. ONLY A PART OF THAT RIVERFRONT IS IN PLANT PARK, IT WHICH IS A HISTORICALLY DESIGNATED PARK. THE OTHER FRONT IS FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA PROPERTY. WE NEEDED AN EASEMENT FROM THEM. AN EASEMENT LARGER THAN THE EASEMENTS WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE BUILD GRANT AND THE DESIGN FOR THE WEST RIVERWALK. THOSE WERE SOME OF OUR PRIORITIES IN THE DISCUSSIONS THE LAST PART OF THAT DISCUSSION IS A DAWN TO DOES PROGRAM VISION -- >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO GET TO THAT. >>ABBYE FEELEY: ALL OF THE PIECES WORK TOGETHER. >>LYNN HURTAK: GO BACK TO 42 BECAUSE I HAVEQUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR OF PARK BEFORE I GET TO YOU. >>LYNN HURTAK: SO TO GET TO 42, THE LEASE FOR PLANT PARK AND WE OWN. AND THE CITY AND THE UNIVERSITY HAS BEEN TAKEN CARE OF FOR YEARS. SO THIS WOULD CONVEY THE ABILITY FOR THE UNIVERSITY TO CONTINUE TO USE THE -- TO USE THE PARK BUT TO ALLOW THE CITY TO USE -- SHOULD ONLY BE USED FOR PROVEN PROFIT QUASI PROFIT PROGRAMMED BY THE TENANT. AND ALLOW THE PREMISE FROM TIME TO TIME TO BE UTILIZED SUBJECT TO SCHEDULING USE THROUGH THE TENANT'S WEB SITE AND DIGITAL RESERVATION SYSTEM. SUCH USE WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE REASONABLE INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS AND RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR USE OF THE PREMISES BY THE PUBLIC AS RECENTLY ESTABLISHED BY THE TENANT FROM TIME TO TIME. PROVIDED, HOWEVER, SUCH RULES AND REGULATIONS SHOULD NOT PREVENT THE PUBLIC FROM REASONABLE USE OF THE PREMISE. MY QUESTION FOR MR. MULKEY IS, WHY DON'T -- IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY WILL BE MAKING THE DECISION WHO CAN AND CANNOT USE THE PARK. WHY CAN'T WE RETAIN CONTROL OF THE PARK AND HAVE THEM ASK -- OR HAVE EVERYONE ASK IF WHAT THEY NEED WHEN THEY WANT TO USE THE PARK. >>TONY MULKEY: GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL, TONY MULKEY, PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, THIS IS JUST TRADITIONAL OPERATIONS OF THE PARK. THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST PARKS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA. PLANT PARK WAS THE ORIGINAL HOME OF THE ZOO. A VERY RICH HISTORY, THE PAST 50 YEARS OR SO AS INITIATED THROUGH THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA AGREEMENT, IT HAS BEEN MAINTAINED, CONTROLLED BY THE UNIVERSITY WE EXPLORED AND HAD CONVERSATIONS HOW THIS LOOKS FOR DIFFERENT ENTITIES COMING TO US AND A LOT CLEANER TO HAVE IT WHERE THEY HAVE KIND OF PRIMARY CONTROL OVER THIS. SOME OF THE HISTORY OF THIS IS WITH EVENTS THAT WANTED TO UTILIZE THIS SPACE AND WERE TOLD NOW. THIS DATES BACK -- THAT LETTER HAS BEEN REPEATED MULTIPLE TIMES THROUGH SEVERAL ADMINISTRATIONS BEFORE CURTIS HIXON WAS ESTABLISHED AS AN EVENT PARK AND ADDED TO POUR INVENTORY A LITTLE BIT AND THE ORIGINAL EVENT H HAS MORPHED THROUGH DIFFERENT CONTROL GROUPS DURING THIS TIME AND FOUND A NICE HOME AT PERRY SHARI PARK. IT HAS ACTUALLY WORKED OUT -- HARVEY PARK. IT HAS ACTUALLY WORKED OUT AND WE HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH THE UNIVERSITY FOR EVENTS ALONG THE WAY AND THEY HAVE THAT PRIMARY CONTROL AND MAINTENANCE ASPECT TO IT. AND IT HAS WORKED OUT FOR THE MOST PART. IS IT PERFECT? IT ISN'T. IT IS A CITY PLOT AND THEY DO MAINTAIN IT AND CONTROL IT AND THEIR UNIVERSITY OPERATIONS WITH SECURITY CONCERNS AND ACCESS CONCERNS. IT IS NOT A GREAT EVENT PARK. NOT REALLY BUILT THAT WAY, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OTHER OPTIONS NOW. >>ABBYE FEELEY: CAN I TODAY THAT -- >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST HAVE A FEW. >>ABBYE FEELEY: JUST WANT TO ADDED TO THAT. THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE PARK. ALL THE ROADS AROUND IT IS UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA PROPERTY. SO UNLIKE JULIAN B. LANE WHERE YOU PULL IN, AND A PARK PARKING LOT AND PUBLIC REST ROOMS AND OTHER THINGS, LOGISTICALLY THIS IS A CHALLENGE OF THIS LOOKING AND FEELING LIKE A CITY PARK. THERE ARE NO PUBLIC REST ROOMS AVAILABLE AT THAT PARK. THERE IS NO PARKING. THE PARKING IS -- IF YOU ARE PARKING ON THE UNIVERSITY PROPERTY AND THROUGH -- WE TOLD YOU OF THE NEGOTIATIONS WHEN THE ISSUE OF THE PUBLIC PARK CAME UP. WHAT I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THROUGH THIS NEXT, WE HAVE WORKED TO NOW FORMALIZE THE PROCESS WITH THEM AND THAT IS PART OF THE AGREEMENT ON U.T.'S WEB SITE WHEN PEOPLE ARE MAKING PUBLIC REQUEST, NOT A FORMALIZED PROCESS HOW THAT WILL BE DONE BEFORE AND NOW AS PART OF THESE DISCUSSIONS OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS, A FORMALIZED PROCESS FOR MANAGING THAT REQUEST. AND PROVIDING INSURANCE AND OTHER THINGS JUST LIKE WE DO IF YOU ARE COMING TO OUR PARK FOR THE A SPECIAL EVENT OF SOME SORT. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. TO GO FURTHER THOUGH, WHEN I STARTED TO RESEARCH THIS AND TALKED TO MR. MURKEY AND OTHER FOLKS, IT CAME TO THE CONSIDERATION OF THE BEST RIVER WALK. AND THE NEED TO -- AND THEIR STUDENT SAFETY TO CLOSE DOWN PORTIONS OF THE NEW WEST RIVERWALK FROM MIDNIGHT TO 5 A.M. WHAT I FOUND OUT, THAT IS NOT THE ONLY PARCEL GOING TO BE CLOSING DOWN ON THE REST OF THE RIVERWALK. WILL MULTIFAMILY, CAN YOU TELL US OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES THEIR ARE GOING TO HAVE THEIR GATES CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC ON THIS NEW $54 MILLION RIVERWALK. >>TONY MULKEY: TONY MULKEY, PARKS AND RECREATION. I DON'T KNOW THE WHOLE TERMS OF ALL THE EASEMENT. WE HAVE ONE SECTION HERE. I FORGET THE NAME OF THE PROPERTY BUT THE PROPERTY -- >>ABBYE FEELEY: THE MANOR OF WEST RIVER WALK THAT DOES THE ROOSTING NEST AND ALL OF THAT RIGHT THERE. BECAUSE -- I -- I WOULD HAVE TO SAY, WE ARE NOT DONE WITH THOSE NEGOTIATIONS OF THOSE EASEMENTS YET FOR THAT WEST RIVERWALK. REBECCA AND I ARE LOOKING AT -- WHAT DO YOU MEAN AND WHAT ARE YOU ASKING? >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD. >>ABBYE FEELEY: PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION? >>LYNN HURTAK: AGAIN, I WAS TOLD THAT SOME MORE PORTIONS, INCLUDING THE RELATED GROUP PROPERTY AND SOME SCHOOLS WOULD HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH BEING OPEN. >>ABBYE FEELEY: I MEAN WE JUST -- AS PART OF THE STADIUM REDID THE ENTIRE PIECE TO PUT THE SOCCER STADIUM THERE AND I SAW THE OTHER DAY THIS HAD THE NEW RIVERWALK DESIGN THAT WAS COMPLETED AND WALKING ON IT. >>LYNN HURTAK: IT HAS BEEN OPEN. >>TONY MULKEY: IF I CAN INTERJECT A LITTLE BIT. THE CURRENT AGREEMENT FOR THAT STRETCH DOES HAVE ACCESS BUT DOESN'T CONNECT TO ANYTHING. SO AS THE DEVELOPMENT MOVES FORWARD, AND THAT IS -- THAT IS IN PLACE AT THE MOMENT. >>LYNN HURTAK: SO MY POINT ABOUT ALL OF THIS. TWO PROPERTIES OWNED BY THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT HAVE BEEN UNDERLEASED OR UNDER -- YEAH, SORRY, A LEASE AGREEMENT FOR 50 YEARS. AND NOW YOU ARE COMING TO US WITH AN AGREEMENT ABOUT USING PUBLIC SPACE. THAT THE PUBLIC HAS NOT HAD A RIGHT TO -- TO PUT ANY INPUT ON SO WE HAVE A PUBLIC PARK THAT IS OWNED BY THE CITY OF TAMPA. I THINK THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO WEIGH IN BEFORE WE AGREE TO GIVE IT TO THEM FOR ANOTHER 25 YEARS TO THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA. THAT IS THE ONE THING WE HAVEN'T DONE, TALK TO THE PUBLIC HOW THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS SPACE. THE PUBLIC MAY WANT THIS SPACE SOLD TO THE UNIVERSITY OF. WE HAVEN'T HEARD. THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THIS WEST RIVERWALK, THIS PARK WILL BE A LOT MORE INTEGRAL TO THE CITY AS IT GOES FORWARD AND I AM NOT COMFORTABLE APPROVING A 25-YEAR LEASE THAT THE PUBLIC HAD ONLY HAD THE ABILITY TO HEAR ABOUT THROUGH READING IT ON A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM. SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THESE TWO -- AND I KNOW MR. CLENDENIN HAS MORE TO SPEAK TO ON THIS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THESE TWO ITEMS BE CONTINUED FOR THE NEXT MONTH OR SO SO WE CAN HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING SO THE COMMUNIT CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT PARK BECOME. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MAY I -- JUST FROM PERSONL EXPERIENCE. I GO TO THAT PARK OFTEN. OVER THE YEARS, OFTEN. I GO TO THE ROCKING CHAIRS ON THE VERANDA. I NEVER HAVE BEEN TRESPASS AT NIGHT. I HAVE GONE DURING THE DAY AND TIED HAMMOCKS UP TO THE TREES ALONG THE WATER. I NEVER HAVE BEEN TOLD ANYTHING. I HAVE GONE 10:00 AT NIGHT. I HAVE GONE 9 A.M. ON A SUNDAY. I MEAN, HE ALWAYS SEE IT AS A PUB PUBLIC SPACE. BUT I DON'T PARK ON THE PROPERTY. WALK FROM CITY HALL. IF I PARK, I PARK WHERE THE OXFORD EXCHANGE IS AT AND COME OVER. I NEVER EVEN HAVE SECURITY -- BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE LITTLE GOLF CARTS. THEY NEVER SAID ANYTHING. I HAVE GONE WITH PEOPLE AND GONE AND TAKEN PHOTOS. SOMEONE I KNOW TOOK ENGAGEMENT PHOTOS. NO ONE EVER SAID ANYTHING. >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, BUT IF THEIR CONCERN IS SECURITY -- WE HAD CONCERNS OF PEOPLE WANTING TO USE THE PARK. WE HAD CONCERNS -- I AM CONCERNED ABOUT SHUTTING OFF ACCESS TO THE RIVERWALK. AND I THINK THAT IF A NEXT HAS BEEN MADE, THAT THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO WEIGH IN ON IF THEY ARE OKAY WITH THESE NEGOTIATIONS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT ABOUT THE AUDITORIUM SIZE. >>LYNN HURTAK: THE A AUDITORIUM, I AM LEAVING THAT TO MR. CLENDENIN. FOR ME THIS IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE. THIS IS A PUBLIC PARK. YOU ARE RIGHT, I AM DOING THE SAME THING. TO ME THE ISSUE, CLOSE A GATE ON THE RIVERWALK AND IT WILL BE MORE DANGEROUS BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL SIMPLY TRESPASS AROUND IT. IF YOU CLOSE A GATE ON THE RIVERWALK, I AM SIMPLY GOING TO GO AROUND IT AND THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE WILL DO. AGAIN, I REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE PUBLIC DESERVES TO HAVE INPUT AND I BELIEVE WE SHOULD HAVE YOU A PUBLIC EVENING MEETING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS TO SEE FROM THIS PARK BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO HAVE INPUT FOR 50 YEARS ON HOW TO USE THE PARK. >>ABBYE FEELEY: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, RESPECTFULLY, THIS IS HISTORICALLY DESIGNATED PARK, PLANT PARK, AND NOT ELIGIBLE FOR PROGRAMMING BEYOND WHAT YOU SEE THERE BECAUSE OF THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION. WE CAN MAKE THAT CONVERSATION. I WANTON MAKE CLEAR THEY ALWAYS HAD THE RIGHT TO CLOSE IT FROM DUSK TO DAWN FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS AND THEY DON'T. AT THAT PARK THREE TIMES A WEEK. I LIVE IN RIVERSIDE, I RIDE HIGH BIKE THERE. I SIT IN THE HAMMOCKS. IT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND THIS WILL REMAIN OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. THIS DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO -- IF IT IS THE PRESSURE FOR THE COUNCIL AND A MOTION FOR THAT HEARING, I WILL GET WDENNIS FERNANDEZ BECAUSE THIS IS HISTORICALLY DESIGNATED. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY OTHER PARKS LIKE THAT OR ANY PARKS LIKE THAT. BECAUSE OF HIXON JUST BECAUSE OF ITS LANDMARK DESIGNATION. PI WA INFORMATION SO YOU ARE MAKING DECISIONS BASED ON ALL THE INFORMATION. >>LYNN HURTAK: I APPRECIATE THAT. TOP ME, THAT IS NOT THE POINT. I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT INTO A DESTINATION LIKE AN EVENT PARK. I WANT THE PUBLIC WHO HAD NOT HIM PACT WHAT TO DO WITH THIS BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN UNDER A LEASE WITH THE UNIVERSITY. I UNDERSTAND IT IS OPEN, BUT I WOULD STILL LIKE THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO WEIGH IN. NOW, AGAIN, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION ON THIS. BUT I THINK FOLKS SHOULD WEIGH IN ON HOW WE ARE NEGOTIATING THIS FOR CLOSING HOURS. AND SO FORTH. SOME THAT -- THAT IS THE REASON THAT I SUGGEST THIS. BUT I AM GOING TO LEAVE IT TO OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON DO YOU HAVE YOUR MICROPHONE ON? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WOW. JUST WOW. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, CITY OF TAMPA IS CHANGING. AND WE ARE ENGAGING AREAS OF THE CITY THAT NEVER HAVE BEEN ENGAGED BEFORE IN TOTALLY DIFFERENT AND UNIQUE WAYS JUST BECAUSE IT WORKED FOR LAST 50 YEARS DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT WILL WORK FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS. THE CITY COUNCIL IN A VERY RISKY VOTE, VOTED TO INVEST A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THE WEST RIVERWALK TO ENGAGE THE WEST SIDE OF THE RIVER AND TOP PROMOTE DIFFERENT TYPES OF ACTIVITIES ON THAT SIDE. OBVIOUSLY THIS PARK IS A PART OF THAT. I WILL GET TO THE PARK FIRST AND THEN WHAT I AM MOSTLY PASSIONATE ABOUT. THIS IS IMPORTANT PART OF WHAT WE ARE DOING AND TER GRAL PART OF THE NORTH-SOUTH CORRIDOR. I AGREE WITH THE CHAIRMAN. I LIVE WALKING DISTANCE OF THIS PARK. I OUT THIS PARK. I DON'T PARK ON THE PROPERTY, BUT I USE THE PARK IN ITS CURRENT FORECAST. I AM A LITTLE SHOCKED OF THE RESTRICTIONS THAT I SAW OF THE CONTROL THAT IS GRANTED. BUT I AM GOING TO TRANSITION AWAY FROM THE PARK BECAUSE I THINK COUNCIWOMAN HURTAK CAPTURED EXACTLY WHAT NEEDED TO BE CAPTURED OF THE PUBLIC USE OF MY ISSUE -- DURING NEW BUSINESS, I AM GOING TO INTRODUCE SOMETHING ABOUT HOW WE DISPOSE OF PROPERTIES AND HOW WE TRANSFER OR SELL PROPERTIES. BUT MY SIR EWE IS, WIN, I HAVE -- I TALKED TO CHIEBENNETT OF B A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM. THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN PULLED BY STAFF TO BE DISCUSSED. HAVING -- ONE, THE RENEWABLE LEASE OF PROPERTY THAT IS LEASED FOR -- YOU KNOW, FOR ALMOST 50 PLUS YEARS BECAUSE THE LEASE EXPIRED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO IS ONE THING. BUT HAVING THAT CLAUSE IN THERE AS AN AS SETH WOULD TRANSFER FOR FREE FROM CITY HAND TO PRIVATE HAND REALLY NEEDED TO BE BET FLUSHED OUT AND DISCUSSED AMONG THE PUBLIC AND COUNCIL ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS. I UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENTS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I CLARIFY THIS. UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA IS A GREAT PARTNER WITH CITY OF TAMPA. GREAT ASSET WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA. WONDERFUL TO HAVE IT IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND WOULD, WITH THEM IN THE CITY OF TAMPA. IT IS ONE OF OUR JEWELS. THAT BEING SAID, THE SEVEN OF US UP HERE AND THE FOLKS THAT WORK IN THE -- IN ADMINISTRATION, WE ARE THE CUSTODIANS OF -- OF THE ASSETS FOYER FOR THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA. WE ARE THE VOICES THAT REPRESENT THESE ASSETS. AND THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA HAS HAD FAIR USE OF THIS PROPERTY FOR 50-PLUS YEARS AND OTHER PARCELS. WE KNOW IT IS A COMPLICATED PIECEMEAL PARCELS TO BE ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER A MAJOR UNIVERSITY AND IN AN URBAN AREA. THEY HAVE BEEN USING THIS PROPERTY, YOU KNOW. AND YES, THEY REBUILT THE AUDITORIUM AFTER IT WAS BURNT AND ALL, BUT THEY STILL HAS BEEN USING THE PROPERTY FOR FREE. THAT HAS HAS PRICE TAG. HAVING A CLAUSE IN THERE THAT WOULD WITHOUT THE INFORMATION, I WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH IS THAT PROPERTY WORTH. IT WORTH $10 OR $100 MILLION. I WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH THAT IS WORTH BEFORE I MAKE A FIDUCIARY DECISION ABOUT THE DISPOSITION OF THAT PROPERTY. I MAY GO RIGHT ALONG WITH THE ADMINISTRATION'S PROPOSAL PROPOSAL ON THIS, BUT I NEED TO HAVE THIS INFORMATION. I NEED TO KNOW WHAT IT IS WORTH SO I CAN MAKE THAT DECISION. I NEED TO GO OVER TO THE TAXPAYER AND SAY I JUST GAVE AWAY A $50 MILLION BUILDING AND I GAVE IT AWAY BECAUSE OF X, Y, OR Z. OR GO TO THE FOLKS WHO ARE THE SPARTANS OF THE WORLD AND SAY I DIDN'T GIVE IT AWAY BECAUSE OF X Y AND Z. ALL WILL HAVE TO COME BEFORE US BEFORE I IN ALL GOOD CONSCIOUSNESS MAKE THIS DECISION FOR THE ROLE NOT SITTING ON THE BEACH, BUT SITTING ON THIS DAIS. WE NEED -- WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THESE PROPERTIES ARE WORTH. I AM ALSO -- I AM GOING TO HAVE TO SAY THIS OUT LOUD. I AM ALSO CONCERNED BECAUSE MAYOR IS ON THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES. I ALMOST FEEL LIKE THESE DECISIONS AND THIS CONTRACT PNE UNDERNEATH THIS CHAIN OR -- IT JUST -- IT JUST DOESN'T TIME RIGHT TO ME. I HAVE TO SAY THAT PUBLICLY. I DON'T THINK THERE IS NOTHING THERE. I DON'T MEAN TO BE CONSPIRATOR RALE. SHE IS A SPARTAN. A PROUD SPARTAN AND SITS ON THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES. SOMETHING DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT TO ME. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS HASHTAGGED A LITTLE BIT BETTER. COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: TOUGH ISSUES. I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES IN PRINCIPLE AND I ASKED FOR THIS WITH OTHER PROPERTIES AND WE SHOULD BE CONSISTENT AND THURSDAY THROW. AS MISS FEELEY SAID WITH THE FULL PRESENTATION OF PROPERTIES AND EVERYTHING, I THINK IT WOULD BE DISCLOSED. FOR DISCLOSURE I WENT TO THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA AND I GRADUATED FROM THERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: RECUSE YOURSELF. >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T THINK I HAVE TO RECUSE MY STEPH [LAUGHTER] IF MARTY TELLS ME, I WILL. I WAS AROUND -- DR. VAUGHN WAS ONE OF MY PROFESSORS. AND I WAS AROUND WHEN HE RAISED THE MONEY FOR THE BUSINESS SCHOOL. AND HE RAISED -- THE FIRST PART WAS $40 MILLION. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF IT WENT INSIDE VERSUS THE BUILDING, BUT THE BUILDING WAS DERELICT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT COULD BE TORN DOWN AT THE TIME OR NOT, BUT THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA SAVED THAT BUILDING AS PLANT HALL, THE CHISLER'S AND UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA STARTED BY THE CHAMBER SAVED THAT BUILDING. AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE FULL CONTEXT, THE MAINTENANCE OF THE PARK, PLANTED HALL AND THIS BUILDING AND WHAT OTHER PROPERTIES. ALL OF THIS COSTS MONEY AND RELATIONSHIP IN THE CONTEXT. IF WE BRING IT BACK OR HAVE SOME KIND OF PUBLIC HEARING THAT STAFF WILL BE ABLE TO GIVE US A LENGTHEST PRESENTATION ON IT BEFORE THE PUBLIC PRESENTS. THE PUBLIC -- IF WE ARE GOING TO INFORM THE PUBLIC, WE NEED TO KNOW THE FULL CONTEXT OF IT. WE ALSO NEED TO SAY THAT -- THOSE BUILDINGS WOULD NOT BE THERE BUT THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA. THEY RAISED MONEY FOR I IT, CHISLERS. SPENT HUNDREDS MILLIONS UPGRADING IT. UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA IS A HUGE ECONOMIC ENGINE. PROVIDING EMPLOYMENT TAMPA. AS DR. VAUGHN SAID, TRY GO TO A RESTAURANT DOWNTOWN AND NOT FIND A WAITER WHO IS A U.T. STUDENT AND GRADS. GRADUATES ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE. THREE ON CITY COUNCIL. WE HAVE FOLKS THROUGHOUT. WHEN I WENT TO THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA IN THE '80s, THEY HAD GONE THROUGH A TIME WHERE THEY HAD FOOTBALL AND GOT RID OF IT. AND THEN THEY GAVE SCHOLARSHIPS TO LOTS OF STUDENTS. AND THEY STARTED TO LOSE MONEY. I WAS THERE DURING THAT PART. AND THEN BRUCE SAMPSON CAME IN, A BUSINESS LEADER, AND HE WAS BROUGHT IN TO SAVE AND TURN AROUND THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA. THOSE YOU AROUND REMEMBER, THE PROPERTY OPENED BY RELATED THE CAESAR PELAY PROPERTY WAS A NINE-STORY FORMER HOTEL THAT WAS A DORM WHERE MIS EN PLACE. SPARTAN ARMS BY THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA. A HOUSE GIFTED TO THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA AS THE PRESIDENT'S HOUSE. 1989 TO '89. CITY OF TAMPA HAD SELL OFF THAT TO STAY AFLOAT AND HAD 1100 STUDENTS. DR. VAUGHN CAME IN AND 12,000 STUDENTS. THEIR SUCCESS IN THE LAST 30 YEARS, A LOT OF IT WAS DUE TO HIM. A LOT OF IT DUE TO THE TRUSTEES. THE MONEY BY JOHN AND CHUCK SYKES. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS. THE FUTURE OF EDUCATION IS ONLINE AND CHANGING RAPIDLY. WE DON'T KNOW WHERE EVERYTHING IS GOING. I THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL WITH A VERY IMPORTANT ECONOMIC ENGINE JUST LIKE I AM PROTECTED OF THE PORT AND AIRPORT, I WANT TO BE PROTECTED OF USF AND U.T. BECAUSE THEY ARE HUGE ECONOMIC ENGINES. LAST THING I WANT TO SAY I VOTED AGAINST THE WEST RIVERWALK EXPANSION. NOT BECAUSE I AM AGAINST THE RIVERWALK BUT THE FUNDING MECHANISM BECAUSE IT WILL COST A LOT OF INTEREST. THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA REJECTED TO THIS. AND HURRICANE WATCH DR. VAUGHN STILL BEEN HERE, THEY SEE IT AS MAJOR SECURITY THREAT. NOW WE HAVE A NEW PRESIDENT, AND SHE IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO MAKE THE SAME KIND OF STATEMENTS, BUT IT -- IT IS -- IT IS NOT THAT THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA WANTS TO BLOCK PEOPLE OUT, A MAJOR SECURITY THREAT FOR THEM THAT THESE THINGS ARE OPEN LIKE THIS. THE LAST THING I WILL SAY AND NOT DIRECTLY RELATED. I HAVE BEEN FLOOD WITH MESSAGES IN THE LAST 24 HOURS IS THAT ONE IS TALKING OF CHANGING THE NAME OF THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA TO U. TAMPA. WHOEVER IS WATCHING FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF. PLEASE DON'T DO THAT. THANK YOU. >> THEY MUST BE SENDING IT TO YOU BECAUSE THEY KNOW IT VERY WELL. I AM NOT GETTING IT. AND GLAD THIS CONVERSATION IS HERE. I AM JUST LAUGHING OF MYSELF THINKING OF WHAT WE HAVE GIVEN AWAY. LAND BETWEEN COLUMBUS DRIVE. MLK. AND THE LAND BETWEEN HIMES AND DALE MABRY. ALL CITY PROPERTY. DONE ON A PIECE OF PAPER AND GIVEN AWAY TO THE COUNTY. FOR ZERO. NADA. YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE THEY FORGOT TO DO IT WHEN THEY WERE NEGOTIATING AND BUILT THE STADIUM. CITY PROPERTY, THE CITY CANNOT WRITE OFF AD VALOREM TAX. SO THEY DEED IT OVER TO THE COUNTY. I AM NOT SAYING THAT IS ACCEPTABLE. I AM NOT SAYING IT IS RIGHT. I AM NO, SIR SAYING IT IS WRONG. I AM JUST SAYING WHAT HAPPENED. AND I AM HAPPY OOVPS TO BE SO LONESOME BY MYSELF BECAUSE I CAN ALSO SAY WHAT I WANT TO SAY. THE SAME THING WE ARE DOING WITH THE CIT TAX. RIGHT IN MY POCKET, I HAVE THE MONIES THAT WE SPENT GIVING AWAY $2 MILLION A YEAR TO THE TUNE OF $23 MILLION GONE FOR NO REASON. WHY? BECAUSE YOU MADE A BAD CONTRACT. NOT SAYING TO WHO, WHEN AND WHERE. I AM HAPPY THIS CONVERSATION IS GOING ON. HAPPY WITH WHETHER CARLSON SAID, THAT BUILDING DID BURN DOWN. THAT BUILDING USED TO WRESTLING. GORGEOUS GEORGE AND DON CHERRY ALL THE GUYS. THE BOXES MATCHES AND ALL THAT. AND CONCERTS. HOW SMALL TAMPA WAS. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THE ALLIGATOR AND THE BEAR IN THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA PROPERTY OR THE CITY PROPERTY AT THE PARK. THEY SAID ARE YOU CRAZY. WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN SMOKING. THERE WAS A BEAR AND AN ALLIGATOR THERER WHEN I USED TO GET THE BUS WITH MY FATHER TO SEE THE TAMPA SMOKERS PLAY THE CUBAN HURRICANES. EVERY WEEK WE USED TO DO THAT WHEN THEY WERE PLAYING HERE. NO BEAR AND NO ALLIGATOR, BUT A LOT OF MEMORIES ABOUT THE WHOLE SYSTEM. WE HAVE A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION. YOU DON'T OWN THE BUILDING. BUT YOU OWN THE LAND, WHERE McKAY USED TO BE. YOU OWN THE PARK, BUT YOU DON'T OWN THE STREETS. YOU GOT TO BE A GENIUS TO COME OUT OF THIS ONE. BECAUSE WHAT IS IT YOU OWN? YOU OWN HALF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, BUT YOU DON'T OWN THE OTHER HALF OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY I ASSUME FOR THE RIVERWALK. WHAT ELSE IS IT THAT WE OWN OR DON'T OWN? A CALAMITY OF ERROR THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORK ON FOR YEARS AND WORKS SO FAR. THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY. AM I A GRADUATE FROM THERE? YES. I DON'T TAKE FROM THERE. I GIVE TO THERE AS MR. CARLSON DOES. HELPED SO MANY PEOPLE IN THIS CITY OF TAMPA. WHAT THIS GENTLEMAN DID OVER THERE, YOU HAVE TO BE A GENIUS FOR TO DO WHAT HE DID. I AM NORTHWEST GOING TO MENTION HIS NAME OF HOW LONG HE DID -- HE IS NO LONGER THERE. HE IS RETIRED. NO ONE HAS DONE WHAT HE HAS DONE. A BILLION DOLLARS IN ASSESSMENTS AND DONE WITH THE BUILDING. JUST AN AMAZING PLACE. AND LIKE MR. CARLSON SAID, IT IS LARGER NOW IN ENROLLMENT THAN PRINCETON AND WAKE FOREST AND USED TO BE NO BIGGER THAN ORANGE GROVE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. I WILL COMPARE AN ANIMAL WITH ANOTHER ANIMAL. IT IS WHAT IT IS. AND WE LIVE IN A DIFFERENT SOCIETY. AND I AM NOT OPPOSED ANYBODY COMING HERE AND HAVING A HEARING ON IT. THAT IS FINE WITH ME. AT THE END OF THE DAY WHAT IS IT YOU WANT TO DO AND HOW YOU ARE GOING TO DO. AND SETTLE BOTH ISSUES ON ONE SIDE -- ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER. YOU HAVE TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT IF NOT, ANOTHER WAR GOING ON INSIDE THE CITY OF TAMPA. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU. FIRST TO CLARIFY FOR MR. CARLSON. I MET THE D DALBERG AT THE DOWNTOWN PRESIDENTIAL LUNCHEON. AND SHE IS NOT PROMOTE WILLING U TAMPA. SHE WANTS FOR US TO REFER TO THE UNIVERSITY AS THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA. SHE WAS THE PRO LOWS OF TEXAS CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY AND SAYS WHEN PEOPLE SAY U.T. EVERYBODY KNOWS THEY ARE TALKING OF TEXAS LONGHORNS. WE NEED TO CREATE OUR OWN BRAND AND USE THE WORD "TAMPA UNIVERSITY" I NO ONE ELSE HAS THAT. THAT IS WHAT SHE WAS SAYING BUT NOT U TAMPA. UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA. AND SHE CORRECTED PEOPLE A FEW TIMES DURING THE MEETING AND IT WAS KIND OF NICE. ANYWAY. THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA IS ON MAP. THIS IS A VERY INTERESTING CONVERSATION FOR ME BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT IS TALKING ABOUT PROPERTY AND WHAT WE HAVE A RIGHT TO DO OR NOT DO. SO I AM JUST GOING TO STAY IN LEARNING MODE ABOUT THIS AS IT RELATES TO OTHER THINGS IN THE FUTURE OF SPACES IN TAMPA. AND WHY AND THIS POSITION ON CITY COUNCIL, MANY TIMES, WE HAVE GIVEN THINGS AWAY. HISTORICAL SPACES AND PLACES. AND -- SO, WHATEVER IS DECIDED, I JUST THINK THAT WE -- WE NEED TO CONSIDER EVERY ASPECT OF THE DECISION AND WHAT IS BEST FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA AS WELL AS THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA. I HAD NO IDEA THEY HAVE HAD HAMMOCKS. I BELIEVED THEY ALL HAD THEM AND WE DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU CAN GO AND HOOK IT UP AND PEOPLE HANG OUT ALL THE TIME. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I REALIZE THAT, BUT I NEVER -- IN TERMS OF AN ASSUMPTION, I DID NOT RECOGNIZE THAT. AND SO -- AND I AM SURE A LOT OF EOPLE THAT FEEL THE SAME WAY THAT I DO. BUT THE FACT WE HAVE ACCESS IS WONDERFUL. AND I WOULDN'T -- I JUST WANT WANT TO MIX WITH THAT. WE WILL SEE. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. THIS CONVERSATION IS VERY INTERESTING AND I WANTED TO ABOUT I THINK IT TO LIGHT. KAUNZ CARLSON, WHAT YOU SAID OF SAFETY AND SECURITY. DRY UP IN THE SHADOW OF UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA WITH STUDENT MURDERS. I KNOW WHATS IT LIKE TO WORRY OF ABOUT SECURITY FOR AN INSTITUTION. THIS IS WHY I MENTION AGAIN A REASON TO HAVE A MEETING TO DISCUSS IT WITH THE ONE LICK. DOES THE PUBLIC WANT -- IS THE UNIVERSITY INTERESTED IN BUYING THE PARK? HOW DOES THE PUBLIC FEEL ABOUT THAT? HOW DO THEY FEEL OF NOT BEING ABLE TO ACCESS THE RIVER WALK ALL THE TIME? RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE GATES BUT OPEN ALL THE TIME. I HAVE BEEN THERE AFTER MIDNIGHT WALKING OR BIKING AFTER I SEE A SHOW OR HAVE DINNER. SO I -- YEAH, I -- SO MY POINT -- WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO TO CONTINUE BOTH OF THESE ITEMS FOR A EVENING PUBLIC MEETING TO RECEIVE AN APPRAISE PAL FOR THE PROPERTY THAT THE BUILDING SITS ON. AND I DO REALIZE THAT CAN BE DIFFICULT, BUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND THEN I ALSO WANT A MAP OF -- ACTUALLY I WILL HAVE THAT SEPARATE. THESE ARE THE TWO THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE BEFORE OCTOBER 17. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM. >>LYNN HURTAK: DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. YES, MISS FEELY. >>ABBYE FEELEY: IN RELATION TO THE APPRAISAL. I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THAT. BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED AS PART OF THE UNIVERSITY. THE UNIVERSITY CAME BEFORE COUNCIL AS A PD-A APPLICATION. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF THE HEAD. I DID THE REZONING. SO IT CAN NOT BE DEVELOPED AS ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN UNIVERSITY-RELATED. THE APPRAISALS ARE RUNNING $3,000 TO $6,000. I DON'T KNOW WHAT AN APPRAISAL IS GOING TO BRING TO YOU IN RELATIONSHIP WITH THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY, BECAUSE THE VALUE BELONGS UNDER THE ZONING OF THE UNIVERSITY. IT IS NOT COMMERCIAL GENERAL WHERE I CAN TELL YOU, OH, WE CAN SELL THIS AND BUILD A WALMART HERE. WE CAN'T DO THAT. SO I DON'T -- I AM TRYING TO THINK HOW THAT WILL BE HELPFUL IN YOUR DECISION-MAKING PROCESS AND, YOU KNOW, THE INTERESTING -- WE MAY EXPEND THE MONEY AND IT MAY COME BACK TO SAYS IT WORTH ZERO BECAUSE THE ONLY PERSON WHO CAN DEVELOP IT IS U.T. AND SITE PLAN CONTROLLED, SO, INTO, I BELIEVE FROM I AM RECALLING CORRECTLY, THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING THAT IS THERE. THAT IS ALL THAT THAT PROPERTY IS ENTITLED TO. >>LYNN HURTAK: AGAIN. I AM FINE WITH THAT. >>ABBYE FEELEY: OKAY. >>LYNN HURTAK: I LOOKED IT UP IN THE APPRAISAL RECORDS. THAT PARK AS BELONGING TO THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA. >>ABBYE FEELEY: I THINK WE DISCUSSED THAT DURING AS PART -- DURING THE NEGOTIATIONS. I DO WANT TO SAY FOR JUST A MOMENT, AT THE INVESTIGATION, I WAS AT THE TABLE WITH DR. VAUGHN ON THREE DIFFERENT OCCASIONS FOR SEVERAL HOURS IN RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE SECURITY AND UNIVERSITY. I DON'T WANT TO DISCLOSE WHAT THE UNIVERSITY'S OPERATIONAL PROCEDURES ARE IN RELATION TO SECURITY. BECAUSE THAT IS NOT MY PLACE, BUT CRIMES, THINGS THAT HAPPEN, THE FACT THE RIVERWALK S IN PROXIMITY TO A DORM. THOSE THINGS IMPACT HOW THE UNIVERSITY FULFILLS THEIR OBLIGATIONS AND SECURITY AND REPORTING AND THERE IS A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THERE. SO I THINK WHILE HAVING A PUBLIC DISCUSSION IS NOT JUST THE PUBLIC, IT IS THE UNIVERSITY AS WELL. BECAUSE THEY ARE THE PARTNER, THE JAY I SENT PROPERTY OWNER THE MOST ADVERSELY IMPACTED OR POSITIVE LEAVE IMPACT BY THOSE DISCUSSIONS. THROUGH OUR DISCUSSIONS, THERE ARE LIMITATIONS AS TO WHAT MAY OCCUR WITHIN PROXIMITY IN ORDER FOR THEM TO RETAIN CERTAIN ACCREDITATIONS AND THINGS THAT RUN WITH THE UNIVERSITY. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS FINE, BUT THEY ARE ONE ACTOR IN THIS. WE ARE ANOTHER ACTOR. AND THE THIRD ACTOR IS THE PUBLIC. >>ABBYE FEELEY: UNDERSTOOD. >>LYNN HURTAK: IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE RIVERWALK HAS TO GO OFFER TO THE RIVER, LIKE SOMETIMES IT HAS ON THE EAST OR THE CURRENT RIVERWALK. MAYBE THAT IS A SOLUTION. I UNDERSTAND THERE IS COST TO THAT. >>ABBYE FEELEY: WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: RIGHT NOW ON OUR CURRENT RIVERWALK, PROPERTIES LIKE HOTELS SIMPLY PUT UP A BIG GATED FENCE. THERE ARE CERTAINLY WAYS -- THEY HAVE FENCES ALONG THE HOTELS AND YOU USE KEY CARDS TO GET IN. I BIKE THE RIVERWALK ALL THE TIME. >>ABBYE FEELEY: THOSE FENCES ARE NOT ON OUR PROPERTY. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, I KNOW. THAT'S WHAT I AM SAYING. >>ABBYE FEELEY: I WANT TO BE CLEAR. THE PARK IS ONE AND THE PROPERTIES ARE THE OTHER. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S CORRECT. THAT IS HOW THOSE BUSINESSES HAVE CHOSEN TO SECURE THEIR PROPERTIES. CHOSEN TO PUT FENCES ON THEIR PROPERTIES. AND THE UNIVERSITY COULD DO THAT -- COULD DO THAT ROUTE AND FENCE OFF PLANT PARK AND FENCE OFF THE RIVERWALK. SO THEY HAVE OPTIONS AGAIN. I WANT PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS SO THE PUBLIC CAN BE A PART OF IT. I UNDERSTAND YOU DISAGREE, BUT I WANT THE PUBLIC TO HAVE A SAY INTO THIS. OR SHOULD HAVE A SAY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE TO LOWER MY BLOOD PRESSURE JUST A LITTLE BIT. MOST OF THE THINGS THAT ARE BEING SAID HERE TODAY CAN ALL BE TRUE AND THIS STILL ISN'T A GOOD DEAL FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA. ALL THESE THINGS THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND EVERYBODY -- EVERYTHING THAT EVERYBODY SAID BUT STILL CAN BE A BENEFIT, LOOKING AFTER THE PEOPLE OF THE POCKETBOOKS WHO OWN THE ASSETS. ONE THING THAT IS FRUSTRATING TO ME. I LISTEN TO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT SECURITY. OKAY, WE ARE NOT A POE DUNK TOWN ANYMORE. THIS IS NOT A SMALL LITTLE TOWN. I MEAN, I THINK -- I THINK NEW YORK UNIVERSITY, GEORGE WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY, URBAN CAMPUSES, AND YOU GO BEYOND THE UNITED STATES ACROSS THE WORLD WHERE THE UNIVERSITIES ARE INTEGRATED INTO THE CITY. GUESS WHAT, TAMPA, WE HAVE ARRIVED. WE ARE NOW AMERICA'S GREATEST CITY. AND WE HAVE AN URBAN CAMPUS WHICH IS PART OF THE CHARM OF THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA IS THE INTEGRATION. WE HAVE A DORM DOWNTOWN THAT IS ALL STUDENTS. A HOTEL DOWNTOWN THAT IS MOSTLY STUDENTS. THEY ARER. >> GRATING WITH DOWNTOWN. WE HAVE THE STRAZ CENTER WITH CONSERVATORY PROGRAM. A COMPLETE INTEGRATION. SO SAYING WE NEED -- IMPLYING WE HAVE AT THAT SAFETY CONCERN BECAUSE WE ARE NOT CREATING AN INBOUND OR PRISON CAMP AROUND THE CITY OF TAMPA I THINK IS DISINGENUOUS. INTEGRATION OF THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA IS CHARM AND WONDERFUL MART OF THIS CAMPUS. THE FACT IT IS SO INTERTWINED WITH THE LIVING THING THAT IS THE CITY OF TAMPA. WELCOME TO THE BIG TIME. WE ARE A CITY AND NOT IS A SMALL TOWN. I WILL GO WITH EVERYTHING THAT IS SAID ABOUT ALL OF THIS CAN BE TRUE AND WE HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT THE ACTUAL COST IS. WE HAVE TO KNOW WHAT WE ARE ACTUALLY GIVING AWAY. AND WE DON'T HAVE HAVE THAT INFORMATION. AND I WOULD BEG TO DIFFER, MISS FEELEY, WHILE PD-A AND ZONED, STILL A VALUE TO PROPERTY AND STILL -- YOU CAN STILL ASSIGN -- THAT BE CAMPUS CAN BURN DOWN TOMORROW OR THE TIDES CHANGE AND THINGS -- YOU KNOW, REPURPOSE THAT PROPERTY. THINGS HAPPEN AS THINGS GET REINVENTED. PRESENT USE AND PRESENT CIRCUMSTANCE WHAT IS IT IS. THERE IS STILL A VALUE TO IT. STILL A VALUE OF THE BUILDING SITTING ON TOP OF IT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR AGREEMENT WITH A WAS WHEN THEY BUILD THE AGREEMENT ON LAND THAT WE OWN. IT IS NOT SPELLED OUT ON THIS. I THINK THE BUILDING VERSUS THE PROPERTY AND THEY CAN TEAR IT DOWN IF THEY CHOSE TO. I THINK THERE IS STILL A VALUE. I THINK WE AS CUSTODIANS OF THE POCKETBOOK. WE WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION BEFORE WE MAKE THIS DECISION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. K>>BILL CARLSON: A COUPLE OF THINGS RESPONSE TO THAT. ONE IS, IN -- THE ISSUE OF THE RIVERWALK -- THE WEST RIVERWALK IS NOT JUST SECURITY. WE HAVE NEEDS ALL OVER THE CITY AND INCLUDING INTERESTS SOMETHING LIKE $80 MILLION. -- INCLUDING INTEREST SOMETHING LIKE $80 MILLION WE CAN SPEND ON OTHER THINGS. I AM NOT SAYING WE SHOULDN'T HAVE A RIVERWALK THERE, IF WE ARE DOING IT FOR DEVELOPER TO HAVE A SOMETHING, THAT'S NOT A GOOD INVESTMENT AND A SEPARATE ISSUE. I AGREE WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE CONTEXT OF EVERYTHING WHY I VOTE FOR THE MOTION. I BELIEVE WE SHOULD HAVE THIS AND HURD BY THE PUBLIC. JUST BECAUSE I LIKE AN ORGANIZATION DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULD SCRUTINIZE IT. HOWEVER, A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HIVEST AND BEST USE. SOMEONE CAN COME IN AND OFFER US TO TURN TAMPA THEATRE FOR THAT A HO HOTEL AN IMPORTANT CULTURAL ASSET AND WOULDN'T ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN. WITH IMPORTANT HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND HISTORIC SPACES AND STRATEGIC ASPECTS AND ECONOMIC ENGINES. AN ECONOMIC DRIVER TO IT. NOT THAT WE CAN LEASE THAT BUILDING TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR FOR X AMOUNT AND LOOK AT THE CONTEXT WHAT THE ENGINE IS FOR OUR COMMUNITY. WHAT I WOULD LOOK LIKE TO DO WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE A FRIENDLY AMOUNT THAT WOULD REQUEST THAT U.T. AND CITY STAFF WE ASKED TO JOIN TO HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS WITH US OF THE CITY IN A PRESENTATION NOT TO EXCEED 15 MINUTES. I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A MEATY CONVERSATION OF THE OVERALL RELATIONSHIP OF WHAT THE PROPERTIES ARE INCLUDED IN THESE. WHAT THE OVERALL AND ECONOMICS OF IT AND THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA CAN ALSO SHOW WHAT THEIR ECONOMIC IMPACT IS AT THE SAME TIME. >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU ARE ASKING THAT AS PART OF THE OCTOBER 17 MEETING. NOT PART OF THE PUBLIC MEETING THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE IN THE EVENING BEFORE THAT. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I REALLY WANT. >>BILL CARLSON: YOU WILL MAKE SEPARATE MOTION? >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. I GUESS IF I NEED TO, I WILL MAKE A SEPARATE MOTION -- I WOULD LIKE AN EVENING MEET BEING THIS AS WELL. >>BILL CARLSON: WHICHEVER UNYOU THINK. I THINK CONSIDERING THAT THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA IS PROBABLY WATCHING AND THEY ARE NOT HERE. >>LYNN HURTAK: I AGREE. I THINK WHAT YOU SAID MAKES PERFECT SENSE. I AM ASKING FOR ITEMS 40 AND 42 CONTINUED TO OCTOBER 17 WITH THE INCLUSION OF THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA AND FEEDBACK OF AN EVENING PUBLIC HEARING TO BE HELD BETWEEN NOW AND THEN AND APPRAISAL. >>ABBYE FEELEY: CAN'T DO THAT BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. I AM SORRY. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT A BETTER D DATE. NOPE 7, WORE A THAT WORK? OR NOVEMBER 21? LET'S DO NOVEMBER 21. >>ABBYE FEELEY: SO IS THE EVENING MEETING YOU ARE REQUESTING A PUBLIC MEETING WITH YOU, THIS COUNCIL? >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, JUST SHARING -- LIKE WE DO WITH ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT MEETING. WHERE YOU TELL PEOPLE, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE ARE PLANNING ON DOING. GETTING FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC. WHAT ELSE -- WHAT KIND OF OTHER THINGS THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN WITH THIS. >>ABBYE FEELEY: I AM SORRY TO BE -- SO HOW IS THAT GOING NOTICED? WHERE IS THAT BEING HELD? BECAUSE I CAN'T NOTICE THE ENTIRE CITY -- I MEAN, WHEN YOU HAVE DEVELOPMENT MEETINGS, THAT YOU NOTICE PEOPLE WITHIN A GIVEN BOUNDARY AND NOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT COME. THIS IS A CITYWIDE PARK. AND I AM HEARING THE RECOMMENDATIONS YOU ARE BRING FORWARDED AND I SUGGEST FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON THAT THAT IS ONE COMPREHENSIVE DISCUSSION THAT YOU ARE LETTING THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO HEAR THIS PRESENTATION AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A SECOND ITEM ON DISCUSSING THE PUBLIC'S INPUT ON THE USE OF PLANT PARK VERSUS TRYING TO HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING ON PLANT PARK THAT FOLDS INTO THE CONVERSATION FOR THE OTHER EVENING. >>LYNN HURTAK: THE IDEA OF SIMILAR TO ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT. 300 FEET OUT FROM THE UNIVERSITY. THAT IS FINE. HOWEVER YOU WANT TO NOTICE. PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS. WHEN IT IS A MEETING -- WHEN WE ARE JUST HAVING A OPEN MEETING HERE, PEOPLE CAN'T COME UP AND ASK QUESTIONS AND GET THEIR QUESTIONS ANSWERED. PUBLIC COMMENT IS SIMPLY THAT. COMMENT. THERE ISN'T A BACK AND FORTH. THAT IS WHAT I AM TRYING TO GIVE, IS A BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE PUBLIC AND THE STAFF ABOUT THE PLANS FOR THIS SPACE. MR. MASSEY. >>MORRIS MASSEY: A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON THE MOTION AND THE DIFFERENT IDEAS I AM HEARING FROM COUNCILMAN. BY COUNCIL. I UNDERSTAND WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE A COMMUNITY MEET BEING THIS THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY INVOLVE A FORMAL HEARING BEFORE YOU ALL WHICH IS FINE. AND WE CAN PROBABLY ARRANGE THAT. I GUESS -- I DON'T THINK THE APPRAISAL IS A NECESSARY COMPONENT OF THAT MEETING. I DON'T. >>LYNN HURTAK: NO NOT OF THAT MEETING. APPRAISAL WILL BE -- >>MORRIS MASSEY: PART OF WHAT WE PRESENT TO YOU BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR FINAL DECISION. >>LYNN HURTAK: CORRECT. >>MORRIS MASSEY: SOUNDS LIKE TWO MEETINGS. ONE A COMMUNITY INFORMATIONAL MEETING TO GATHER FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY, AND ALSO A MORE FORMAL PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE YOU ALL, WHICH WE CAN -- WE CAN TRY TO WORK WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE TO SCHEDULE BOTH AND MAYBE COME FORWARD WITH A MORE NOTICED LETTER. AND A LEASE OF CITY PROPERTY WHERE WE ARE BASICALLY DOING THE SAME THING. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY. MR. MASSEY, EASIER TO DIVIDE IT INTO SEPARATE MOTIONS. >>MORRIS MASSEY: OR LEAST IN YOUR MOTION, YOU ARE ASKING FOR A COMMUNITY MEETING ON ONE DATE, AND A SEPARATE DATE, A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE YOU ALL OF APPROVING AND NOT APPROVING THE LEASE AGREEMENT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHAT IS EXACTLY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MICROPHONE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHAT IS IT EXACTLY ARE YOU TRYING TO GET APPRAISED. THEIR BUILDING OR THE GROUND SPACE. >>LYNN HURTAK: THE GROUND SPACE. BECAUSE WE OWN THE LAND. >>GWEN HENDERSON: JUST THE GROUND SPACE. >>LYNN HURTAK: BECAUSE WE TONE OWN THE BUILDING, WE OWN THE LAND. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DO WE OWN THE BUILDING? >>GWEN HENDERSON: SHE SAID WE DON'T. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT AGREEMENT DID THEY BUILD THE BUILDING. >>MORRIS MASSEY: TERMS OF THE LEASE AGREEMENT. THEY WERE GIVEN PERMISSION TO DO THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: IN THE LEASE AGREEMENT IT STAYS THEY CAN DO STUFF, THEY JUST HAVE TO COME TO US. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEY CAN TEAR IT DOWN. >>LYNN HURTAK: THEY HAVE TO COME TO US BEFORE THEY -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: THE PURPOSE PRESIDENT OF APPRAISE PAL WHEN WE GET THIS INFORMATION IN TERMS OF GETTING THE VALUE OF IT? >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FIDUCIARY ASPECT TO THE CITY. AND WE -- WE ALWAYS NEED MONEY. IF THE VALUE OF THIS BECAUSE THE DOUGHNUT HOLE IN THE DOUGHNUT IS ONLY $5,000, THEN GREAT. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN EASILY GIVE AWAY WITHOUT A LOT OF DRAMA. IF WE FIND OUT IT IS WORTH $5 MILLION. THAT IS A CONVERSATION THAT NEEDS TO BE HAD. AND WE WOULD BE DOING THE PUBLIC A DISSERVICE TO NOT JUST -- NOT KNOW WHAT THAT VALUE IS BEFORE WE MAKE MAKE A DECISION. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MAY I. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MAYBE I WILL REGRET INTERJECTING MYSELF MR. MASSEY. AND I SAW YOU DID AND I WAS HOPING -- BECAUSE I AM SITTING HERE LISTENING TO THIS. AND MY SENSE IS, TAKING ALL THIS IN FROM WHERE I SIT, THIS IS A VERY COMPLEX SITUATION BASED ON YEARS OF MULTIPLE TRANSACTIONS THAT HAVE CREATED A CONTEXT THAT I DON'T SEE HOW CAN POSSIBLY BE EXPLAINED TO THE PUBLIC SHOWING UP AS A PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETING BASED ON THE CONCEPT THAT WHAT THEY SEE IS PLANT PARK AND A BUILDING. NOT KNOWING THE CONTEXT. MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT AS YOU WOULD WITH THE INFORMATIONAL MEETING THAT WAS MADE INITIALLY TO BRING THAT BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL AND THEN ON THAT BASIS, EVERYBODY WOULD AT LEAST HAVE THE CONTEXT TO KNOW THAT WHEN THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN, IT WOULD BE UNFORTUNATE, FIRST OF ALL, THE LOGISTICS TO BE ABLE TO PLAN A MEETING IN SUCH A WAY TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE PUBLIC WITH THE BASIS OF INFORMATION COMING TO COUNCIL TO HAVE THE PREDICATE TO UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION OF HOW YOU GOT TO WHERE YOU ARE TODAY AND WHAT, THEN, YOUR OPTIONS OF WHAT YOU CAN AND CANNOT DO. >>LYNN HURTAK: MR. -- I AM SORRY, IT WHAT YOU ARE TELLING ME THAT THE PUBLIC -- WHAT I HEARD -- AND I KNOW YOU DIDN'T MEAN IT, THAT THE PUBLIC IS NOT SMART ENOUGH TO FIGURE IT OUT AND I DISAGREE WITH THAT. IF THE PRESENTATION WAS MADE TO THE PUBLIC, IT IS WEIGHING IN ON WHETHER OR NOT THE PUBLIC THINKS THIS IS A GOOD IDEA. BASICALLY WHAT WE ARE DOING IS TRADING LAND FOR ACCESS FOR -- FOR ADDITIONAL ACCESS TO THE RIVERWALK. IS THAT A DEAL THAT THE PUBLIC WANTS TO BE MADE? >>MARTIN SHELBY: I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND I CAN UNDER STAND ON THE CONSENT DOCKET TODAY, YOU DO NOT WANT TO MOVE FORWARD. I UNDERSTAND THAT IS CLEAR. IN TERMS OF WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS -- I AM NOT FAMILIAR -- I DO GET THE CITY E-MAILS THAT COME INTO CITY COUNCIL. I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT THE DEPTH OF THE PUBLIC'S INFORMATION IS UP IN UNTIL THIS POINT OTHER WITHIN THAT IS ON THE CITY'S WEB SITE. >>LYNN HURTAK: CORRECT. WHICH IS WHY WE ARE HAVING A COMMUNITY INPUT MEETING, WHERE THEY CAN SHARE THIS INFORMATIN AND PEOPLE CAN ASK THOSE QUESTIONS. THIS IS VERY COMPLICATED. AND I AM NOT COMFORTABLE SAYING, SURE, WE WILL JUST -- BECAUSE I -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: I AM NOT SUGGESTING FOR COUNCIL THAT THEY TAKE ACTION ON THIS. I AM JUST SUGGESTING TO COUNCIL THAT WHERE I HAVE SIT, THERE IS A LOT OF ISSUE ISSUESES IN HERE -- AND INTERESTINGLY, AND I LOOK BACK -- I LOOK BACK TO THE QUESTION -- AND I WAS SITTING HERE WHEN THAT PD-A WAS GRANTED. THE QUESTION WOULD BE, ALL THESE ISSUES AND THESE INTRICACIES ALL BROUGHT TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT MADE THAT DECISION? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT. CARLSON IS NEXT AND THEN MISS FEELEY. >>BILL CARLSON: TWO POINTS WITH REGARD TO THE APPRAISAL. AGREE WITH GETTING APPRAISALS. I THINK -- I AM NOT GOING TO PUT WORDS IN HER MOUTH, BUT I AGREE WITH MISS FEEL'S POINT OF VIEW THAT CONSIDERING THE ENCUMBRANCES IT WILL COME BACK BEING WORTH NOTHING OR VERY LITTLE. WHO HYPOTHETICAL IF THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA CLOSED OR SOLD. THE REALITY OF THIS CURRENT SITUATION WILL SHOW IT VERY LOW. WHAT THEY ARE THINKING OF GOING THROUGH THE RFP PROCESSES. SOME OF THE PURCHASING IT SAKESING SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS NOW. I AGREE WE SHOULD GET NUMBERS LIKE THAT. I HAVE BEEN LOOKING I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR ONE ON HANNA AVENUE. SEE HOW MUCH THAT IS WORTH THAT WE SPENT 220 MILLION ON. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ALL ROADS LEAD BACK TO -- HAD A >>GWEN HENDERSON: YEAH, BABY, HE'S NOT GOING TO LET HANNA GO. >>BILL CARLSON: THE OTHER THING IS, IF YOU HAVE A NIGHT MEETING, I THINK YOU ALSO OUGHT TO INVITE THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA TO PARTNER. THEY PROBABLY WOULD HOST IT. ONE OF THE POINTS MARTY WAS MAKING, WE SHOULD EXPLAIN THE BROADER CONTEXT, NOT JUST THESE ITEMS. THEY -- THE PUBLIC SHOULD UNDERSTAND THE OVERALL. I THINK THAT MY DAY JOB USED TO BE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, PUBLIC INPUT. I THINK THAT WE PROBABLY COULD ACCOMPLISH THE SAME THING BUT BY DOING IT IN A NIGHT MEETING OR DAY MEETING OF CITY COUNCIL. WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE SCHEDULE PLENTY OF TIME. THAT WAY WE ALSO GET TO HEAR ALL THE INPUT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MS. FEELEY AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET ME TALK BEFORE MS. FEELEY, DO YOU MIND? I KIND OF CONCUR WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON AND MS. FEELEY ON THIS. UNLESS STAFF WAS TO SAY, OH, YEAH, WE COULD PULL THIS OFF FLAWLESSLY, BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY SEE THE PROCEDURES, RULES TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO THERE. I THINK HAVING A PUBLICLY NOTICED COUNCIL MEETING WITH THIS ON THE AGENDA AND INVITING -- THAT WAS GOING TO BE THE SECOND PART. I ALREADY LOOKED AT THE CALENDAR TO SEE IF THAT WAS THERE. THAT WAS GOING TO BE PART OF WHY NEXT. I THINK HAVING A PUBLICLY NOTICED, HAVING THIS ACCOMPLISHED. IT'S NOT LIKE YOU CAN WEIGH IN ON SOMETHING UNLESS YOU'VE GOT ALL THE INFORMATION. THE ONLY PLACE TO GET ALL THE INFORMATION IS WHERE ALL THE INFORMATION IS PRESENTED. OTHERWISE YOU'RE MAKING ASSUMPTIONS BASED ON PIECES OF INFORMATION. SO CONVENIENTLY ON THE 21st, THIS IS A NIGHT MEETING, AND I WOULD SAY THAT PERHAPS THIS COUNCIL WOULD ENTERTAIN MOVING THIS DISCUSSION TO THE EVENING SESSION OF THE 21st SO TO AFFORD PUBLIC OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN AND TALK. PROBABLY MAKE IT EASIER ON EVERYBODY. AND WE COULD HAVE THIS QUESTION ASKED AND ANSWERED. I'LL TAKE ONE POINT OF PRIVILEGE TO SAY I WOULD ACTUALLY ALMOST -- IF I FELT THAT THE PLANT PARK WAS NOT PART OF THE INTEGRATED RIVERWALK IN ITS FULLEST AND BEST USE, I MAY CONSIDER A MOTION TO RECONSIDER THE FUNDING OF THE WEST RIVER WALK BECAUSE THAT IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE WEST RIVER PROJECT. THAT'S THAT A IS THE WEIGHT THAT I PUT ON THIS. AS MUCH AS I WANT TO KNOW THE FIDUCIARY SIDE OF THE LAND TRANSFER, BUT IF I FELT THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A WITHDRAWAL OR PULL-BACK FROM USAGE OF THE PARK, I WOULD REALLY, REALLY CONSIDER MY DECISION. I'M A BIG ADVOCATE OF WEST RIVER WALK. I WAS AN ADVOCATE FOR IT AND I THINK IT IS A GOOD THING FOR THE CITY, BUT NOT IF WE MISS THIS GIGANTIC HOLE. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WAS GOING TO ACCEPT HIS RECOMMENDATION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION -- >>LYNN HURTAK: HOWEVER, TO MOVE IT TO THE EVENING SESSION ON THE 21st, MS. LUCAS, HOW MANY ITEMS CAN WE CURRENTLY HAVE ON STAFF REPORTS? I BELIEVE IT IS SEVEN. BUT I ALSO MOVE SINCE THERE IS A REGULAR SESSION BEFORE THAT, THAT WE LIMIT STAFF REPORTS TO FOUR SO THAT WE GET A BREAK DURING REGULAR SESSION OF THAT DAY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I SECOND. MS. FEELEY WANTS TO STATE SOMETHING. >>ABBYE FEELEY: THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO SAY, PART OF THIS TOO AND I THINK I BROUGHT IT UP AT HISTORIC PRESERVATION, I'LL TAKE ADDITIONAL TIME TO GO BACK WITH MR. HERNANDEZ AND LOOK AT WHEN THE PARK WAS DESIGNATED BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS AN INTEGRAL PART IN THIS DISCUSSION. YOU CAN'T SAY TO SOMEBODY WHAT WOULD YOU WANT TO SEE HERE IF WE KNOW WE CAN'T GIVE IT TO YOU. I THINK LEVEL-SETTING THOSE EXPECTATIONS IN RELATION TO THE HISTORIC LANDMARK NATURE OF THAT PARK IS ESSENTIAL IN THIS DISCUSSION. >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL, SINCE I COULDN'T FIND IT ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISER WEBSITE IT SHOWED UT AS OWNING ALL OF IT, TO ACTUALLY DELINEATE WHAT WE OWN. >>ABBYE FEELEY: WE HAVE THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WAS NOT ABLE TO FIND. >>ABBYE FEELEY: PROPERTY APPRAISER, THE PIECE IN THE GIS DOESN'T CLOSE. BUT WE DO HAVE THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. >>MORRIS MASSEY: MORRIS MASSEY, THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S MAPS ARE NOT ALWAYS ACCURATE. AND THIS RELATIONSHIP, BECAUSE THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN UT AND THE CITY IS LONG-STANDING AND THESE LEASES ARE LONG-TERM GROUND LEASES AND THEY OWN SOME PROPERTY HERE, WE LEASE SOME PROPERTY TO THEM THERE, IT'S VERY HARD FOR THE PROPERTY APPRAISER TO FIGURE ALL THAT OUT. THAT'S WHY IT SHOWS UP THAT WAY. >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M FINE WITH THAT BECAUSE BASICALLY THEY ARE BOTH BASICALLY NON-TAXING AUTHORITIES, SO IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. I'M GOING TO RESCIND MY OTHER MOTION AND START AGAIN. I THINK THAT IS THE EASIER WAY TO DO IT. I WOULD LIKE ITEMS NUMBER 40 AND 42 TO BE CONTINUED TO THE EVENING SESSION OF CITY COUNCIL -- I'M SORRY, THE EVENING COUNCIL SESSION ON NOVEMBER 21. DO WE KNOW HOW MANY ITEMS WE HAVE FOR THE EVENING SESSION? >>ABBYE FEELEY: IT WOULDN'T BE SET YET. >>LYNN HURTAK: COULD WE ALSO CHOOSE TO LIMIT THE ITEMS THERE THAT WE COULD HEAR IN THE EVENING? THEY SAID NONE OF THE CONSENT. >>ABBYE FEELEY: NOVEMBER, THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE FOR NOVEMBER WOULDN'T BE SET UNTIL MID OCTOBER. IT SHOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN SUBMITTED. BUT I WOULD NEED TO TRY TO CHECK WITH MS. DOCK IN THE INTERIM TO SEE WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN FILED BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A PUBLISHED SCHEDULE AND THEY DO KNOW YOU WOULD CONSIDER 13 ITEMS. I NEED TO GET THAT NUMBER, THAT ANSWER FOR YOU BEFORE I CAN SAY, YEAH, LIMIT IT.% >>LYNN HURTAK: NOT A PROBLEM. IF WE NEED TO MOVE IT, WE CAN. LET ME FINISH MY MOTION. SO THE MOTION IS TO MOVE ITEMS 40 AND 42 TO NOVEMBER 1st EVENING SESSION ON NOVEMBER 21st. THAT WOULD INCLUDE INPUT FROM UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA AND AN APPRAISAL AND A MAP SHOWING WHAT THE CITY OF TAMPA ACTUALLY OWNS. I WAS GOING TO DO THAT LATER. MS. LUCAS, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO LIMIT THE ITEMS FOR THE REGULAR SESSION IN A DIFFERENT MOTION? THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. >>MORRIS MASSEY: COULD I INTERJECT? MAYBE ADD TO THE MOTION, THIS WOULD BE IN THE NATURE OF A PUBLIC HEARING AND THAT STAFF WOULD BE DIRECTED TO NOTIFY PROPERTIES OWNERS AND REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS IN THE SAME MANNER THAT WE WOULD FOR ANY SORT OF LAND DEVELOPMENT TYPE OF APPLICATION. >>LYNN HURTAK: SO MOVED. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: QUESTION. RELATED TO THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SPECIAL USES, WILL THOSE PRECEDE THIS OR FOLLOW THIS? IF THAT'S THE CASE, WHAT DO YOU THEN NOTIFY THE APPLICANTS FOR THE SPECIAL USES THAT ARE GOING TO BE SCHEDULED COMING IN ON NOVEMBER 21st? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PUT IT FIRST ON THE AGENDA. >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH, PUT IT FIRST ON THE AGENDA. >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND HOW LONG WILL THIS MEETING LAST? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN WE WAIT AND SEE HOW MANY WE HAVE? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE'LL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. SINCE THE AGENDA DOESN'T EXIST -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT WILL BE FINE. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IF WE PUT IT FIRST ON THE AGENDA, WHY DON'T WE HAVE A TIME LIMIT TO IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SAY SOMETHING LIKE WE WERE ELECTED TO BE HERE 24 HOURS A DAY. >>LUIS VIERA: THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE HEARINGS AND PUT IT BEFORE, THEN WE SHOULD CONSIDER A TIME LIMIT. >> LaCHONE JUST CONFIRMED THERE ARE SEVEN ALCOHOL HE CAN BEVERAGE AND FOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS THAT NIGHT. SO YOU HAVE 11 ITEMS ALREADY. MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE YOU HEAR THE 11 FIRST AND HAVE THIS MAYBE A TIME CERTAIN LATER ON VERSUS MAKING THE 7 WAIT FOR THE DURATION OF OR IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SET A TIME LIMIT AS SUGGESTED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA. >>LYNN HURTAK: HONESTLY, WITH THAT IN MIND, I THINK WE CAN ALSO CONSIDER JANUARY 30 OF 2025. WHERE THERE ARE NO ALCOHOL BEVERAGES BEING CONSIDERED. THEN I WOULD MOVE IT TO THE JANUARY 30th -- I'LL START AGAIN. ITEMS 40 AND 42 TO BE CONTINUED TO JANUARY 30, 2025, FOR ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT, APPRAISAL OF THE LAND UNDER THE BUILDING BEING CONSIDERED, AND A MAP SHOWING THE ACTUAL PARCELS THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA OWNS RELATIVE TO THE REST OF THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT ABOUT -- PARK? >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. THAT'S BOTH. IT'S ANYTHING THE CITY OF TAMPA OWNS WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA FOOTPRINT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? >>LYNN HURTAK: 5:01. FIRST THING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I JUST WANT A VOTE. MR. SHELBY WOULD KNOW WHAT TIME. 5:01 -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE QUESTION WOULD BE, DOES STAFF KNOW HOW MANY WOULD BE SET OR IS THERE A DETERMINATION OF HOW MANY CAN BE SET RELATIVE TO THAT NIGHT? IN OTHER WORDS, ARE WE REMOVING ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SPECIAL USES FROM THAT EVENING OR NOT? >>LYNN HURTAK: THEY DON'T HAVE THAT YET. THIS IS TOO FAR IN ADVANCE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THEY HAD NOVEMBER 21st, BUT JANUARY 25 -- >>LYNN HURTAK: 30. >>ABBYE FEELEY: TYPICALLY, I CAN'T SPEAK THIS RIGHT NOW, TYPICALLY YOU DO NOT HAVE ALCOHOL BEVERAGE IN NOVEMBER OR IN DECEMBER BECAUSE OF THE HOLIDAYS. SO WHEN APPLICANTS COME IN, THEY KNOW THAT THERE IS A 60-DAY LULL ON THOSE HEARINGS. THAT'S HOW IT'S BEEN OVER THE PAST TEN YEARS OR SO. SO I DON'T WANT TO THEN PUT SMALL BUSINESSES OR OTHER PEOPLE IN A POSITION WHERE THEN THERE'S NO ALCOHOL IN JANUARY, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THAT SCHEDULE EXACTLY PUBLISHED YET, BUT I CAN WORK ON THAT. JANUARY 30th, ISN'T THAT THE FIFTH THURSDAY OF THE MONTH? >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY MEETINGS ON THE 2nd. SO THERE'S ONLY FOUR WEEKS. >>ABBYE FEELEY: TYPICALLY EVENING MEETINGS ARE ON THE SECOND AND FOURTH THURSDAY OF THE MONTH. SO THIS WOULD BE EXTRA. >>LYNN HURTAK: IN JANUARY THEY ARE ON THE THIRD AND FIFTH BECAUSE WE HAVE THE FIRST WEEK OFF. IT WIGGLES ITS WAY. WOULD IT BE BEST TO LIMIT THE FIVE INSTEAD OF SEVEN AND NO REZONING HEARINGS? >>ABBYE FEELEY: THERE WOULDN'T BE -- >>LYNN HURTAK: SORRY, PLAN AMENDMENTS. >>ABBYE FEELEY: I THINK THAT'S FINE. I'M LOOKING AT ERIC. I THINK THAT'S FINE. WE WOULD JUST NOTATE ON THE SCHEDULE TO THE APPLICANTS THAT WE WOULD BE TAKING THE FIRST FIVE CASES AND THEN WHATEVER. IF WE WOULD NEED TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT PERHAPS AND COME TO YOU AND SAY WE NEED AN EXTRA ON ANOTHER NIGHT, MAYBE THAT WOULD, BUT WE'D HAVE TO SEE BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T FILE YET FOR JANUARY. >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK THAT'S FINE. FIVE ALCOHOL CASES ON THE EVENING OF JANUARY 30th. NO MORE THAN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. MR. SHELBY, ARE YOU READY. I'M GOING TO VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NAY. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I DON'T LIKE IT. CAN WE HAVE DISCUSSION A LITTLE BIT. I KNOW SHE MADE A MOTION -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAD A LOT -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: NO, YOU DIDN'T. YOU JUMPED RIGHT TO THE MOTION. I JUST THINK WE SHOULD KEEP ALCOHOL AND NOT ADD ANYTHING ELSE TO IT AND JUST FIND ANOTHER DAY THAT WORKS FOR EVERYONE AND ADVERTISE IT. I DON'T FEEL THAT WE SHOULD BLEND THOSE TWO THINGS, EVEN THOUGH WE DO NEED TO PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO COME -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU WANT A SPECIAL-CALLED MEETING? >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH, WE CAN DO A SPECIAL CALL. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE PART OF THE ALCOHOL DAY AND I WOULD NOT SUPPORT THAT. I WOULD SUPPORT HAVING IT BUT NOT ON THAT DAY BECAUSE IT'S ALSO CLOSER TO THE HOLIDAY AS WELL. WE'RE GETTING READY TO GO INTO THANKSGIVING. >>LYNN HURTAK: NO. IT WOULD BE JANUARY 30th. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I THOUGHT YOU SAID NOVEMBER 21st. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, TOO MANY ALCOHOL CASES. >>GWEN HENDERSON: SO MUCH GOING ON HERE, I AM LOSING IT. SO YOU SAID JANUARY -- >>LYNN HURTAK: 30th. >>GWEN HENDERSON: ALCOHOL. I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT WE WERE NOVEMBER 21st. >>LYNN HURTAK: JANUARY 30th AND LIMITING THE ALCOHOL CASES TO FIVE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING THERE RIGHT NOW. OKAY. FINE. IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT, I CAN BE AGREEABLE. >>LYNN HURTAK: THE REASON I WILL ARGUE FOR IT AS WELL IS THE FACT THAT WAY STAFF DOESN'T HAVE TO COME TO US. >>GWEN HENDERSON: SOMETHING WE ALREADY DO. OKAY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET'S DO A ROLL CALL VOTE PER THE REQUEST OF THE CLERK. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH MANISCALCO VOTING NO AND MIRANDA BEING ABSENT AT VOTE. >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE ONE MORE MOTION. I HAVE A MOTION FOR MR. MULKEY NOT QUITE SURE WHEN WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, IF YOU DON'T MIND COMING FORWARD. AGAIN, THIS MIGHT ALSO BE WITH THE LEGAL STAFF, BUT I THINK ONE THING THAT WASN'T GIVEN TO US -- ONE OF THE PIECES OF INFORMATION WHEN WE WERE TOLD ABOUT THE WEST RIVER WALK, THIS IS WHERE IT'S GOING. THERE WAS NO CONVERSATION ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE HADN'T GOTTEN AGREEMENTS TO USE SOME OF THE SPACE YET. SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A MEETING OR A HEARING -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TIMETABLE WOULD BE, BUT JUST TO FIND OUT WHICH PARTS OF THE RIVERWALK ARE ACCESSIBLE, WILL BE ACCESSIBLE. I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, IF WE'RE PUTTING $80 MILLION INTO THIS, TO NOT HAVE IT BE ACCESSIBLE ALL THE TIME. I THINK THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW THAT. AS MR. CLENDENIN SAID, IT COULD CHANGE THINGS. AND WE WERE NOT TOLD OF THIS WHEN THE DISCUSSION CAME ABOUT THE RIVERWALK. WE WERE SHOWN A PLAN THAT WE WEREN'T TOLD THAT IT WAS -- THAT THERE WERE STILL NEGOTIATIONS TO BE HAD. >> TONY MULKEY, PARKS AND RECREATION. MY COMMENT WAS REFERRING TO THE CURRENT EASEMENT AGREEMENT AT THAT ONE LOCATION. WE CAN CERTAINLY GO BACK AND REVIEW AND PROVIDE AN UPDATE TO COUNCIL FOR INFORMATION ON THAT. BECAUSE AS FAR AS THE LEGAL ASPECT OF IT, I MIGHT NOT HAVE ALL THE UPDATED INFORMATION ON THAT. OBVIOUSLY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE TRANSPARENT WITH ALL THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: ABSOLUTELY. SO I'D LIKE TO DO THAT AFTER OUR JANUARY WORKSHOP. PERHAPS FEBRUARY 20th, 2025. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, COUNCIL MEMBER. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MY ONLY CONCERN ABOUT WAITING THAT LONG IS ARE -- WHERE ARE WE AT AS FAR AS CONTRACTS, BONDING, SPENDING MONEY? BECAUSE IF THIS BECOMES SO UNTENABLE THAT WE'RE GOING TO PULL SUPPORT FOR THIS CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE OF THIS MAJOR ISSUE OF LACK OF USE OF PROPERTY, I DON'T WANT IT TO GET TOO FAR AWAY FROM US. >>LYNN HURTAK: I AGREE. I THINK A BIG RESOUNDING PART OF THE USE OF PROPERTY IS THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA. THAT IS THE ONLY REASON. AS WE FOUND, BECAUSE THIS TOOK OVER TWO YEARS TO PUT TOGETHER, THESE NEGOTIATIONS AREN'T QUICK. I'M HAPPY TO DO IT EARLIER, BUT THAT WAS MY MAIN REASON. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THROW THAT OUT IN THE ATMOSPHERE. I WON'T TAKE IT ANY FURTHER THAN THAT. JUST A CONCERN I DON'T WANT TO PUT -- >>LYNN HURTAK: MR. MULKEY, WHAT DO YOU RECOMMEND? >>TONY MULKEY: I WOULD HAVE TO CIRCLE BACK TO OUR PLANNING TEAM AS WELL AS REAL ESTATE TO KIND OF GET AN UPDATE ON THAT, AND I CAN PROVIDE A COMMUNICATION TO COUNCIL IF THAT WOULD SUFFICE AND TRY AND MOVE THAT ALONG QUICKLY. >>LYNN HURTAK: THEN I WILL GO AHEAD AND INSTEAD OF FEBRUARY, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE YOU COME BACK TO TALK ABOUT THE AREAS THAT ARE STILL UNDER NEGOTIATION AND THE AREAS THAT WILL BE CLOSED AND WHEN THEY WILL BE CLOSED AND A MAP INCLUDING WHEN THEY WILL BE CLOSED AND WHERE THEY WILL BE CLOSED. ON NOVEMBER 7. AND IF YOU NEED TO CHANGE THAT, JUST REACH OUT TO MY OFFICE AND WE'RE HAPPY TO MOVE IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION, SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS THAT A WRITTEN REPORT OR SOMETHING THAT IS A STAFF REPORT? >>LYNN HURTAK: I WOULD LIKE A WRITTEN REPORT BUT ALSO A STAFF REPORT. I THINK THE PUBLIC WANTS TO HEAR ABOUT THAT. I LOOKED. WE ONLY HAVE ONE STAFF REPORT THAT DAY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? IT'S UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT CONCLUDES THE PULLED ITEMS. WE'LL GO TO ITEM 71. ITEM 71, WE HAVE THE FIRE CHIEF HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, THAT WAS YOUR MOTION. >>LUIS VIERA: I'LL WAIT TO HEAR FROM CHIEF TRIPP ON THIS. I PUSHED THESE BACK A FEW WEEKS JUST BECAUSE OF THE BUDGET SO WE COULD MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS AND ALL THAT. I KNOW THIS INCLUDES K-BAR RANCH, CHANNELSIDE AND DOWNTOWN. REALLY, CHIEF, I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE TOLD YOU THIS BEFORE, OBVIOUSLY THE TWO BIG THINGS I'M LOOKING AT IS 24, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT, BUT ESPECIALLY HOW WE'RE DOING WITH PROPERTY ACQUISITION FOR FLEET MAINTENANCE. >>CHIEF TRIPP: BARBARA TRIPP, FIRE CHIEF TAMPA FIRE RESCUE. AS FAR AS 24, WE'RE ACTUALLY MOVING RIGHT ALONG. WE'RE IN THE DESIGN PHASE. WE'VE DISCUSSED IT. WISH IT COULD HAVE HAPPENED YESTERDAY. I'M PUSHING AS MUCH AS I CAN FOR THAT. AS FAR AS K-BAR RANCH, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN IN DISCUSSION, AS FAR AS ACCESS TO THAT BACK ROAD OFF OF MORRIS BRIDGE BUT ALSO MONITORING THE DATA AS WELL AND ALSO GETTING READY TO PUT A TRANSPORT UNIT IN THAT AREA FOR STATION 22. THAT GOES ALONG WITH -- ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL TO HELP ASSIST WITH THAT. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM. HOW ARE WE DOING, IF I MAY ASK, ON THAT ACCESS ROAD? I KNOW WE RECENTLY HAD THE HEARINGS. HOW ARE WE DOING ON THAT? >>CHIEF TRIPP: LET ME REACH OUT TO LEGAL AND SEE IF THEY HAVE ANYTHING ON THAT. >>LUIS VIERA: YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. >> MICHELLE VAN LOAN, REAL ESTATE. HOPEFULLY WE HAVE GOOD NEWS THAT CAME IN TODAY AT LUNCH. WE CURRENTLY HAVE TWO PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE BEEN ACTIVELY PURSUING. ONE OF THEM IS A PROPERTY THAT'S BEEN ALLUDED TO SEVERAL TIMES, AS CHIEF TRIPP HAS COME UP TO YOU. WE RAN INTO SOME OWNERSHIP ISSUES. WE RECEIVED A CALL RIGHT AT LUNCHTIME DURING THE BREAK THAT THEY HOPE TO HAVE THAT RESOLVED BY THE END OF SEPTEMBER. IF THEY DO, WE'VE ALREADY HAD A DRAFT CONTRACT. WE WILL BE READY TO GO RIGHT INTO NEGOTIATIONS AND CONTRACTS AND HOPEFULLY GET THAT RESOLVED. WE ALSO HAVE A PROPERTY THAT WE LOOKED AT ABOUT 12 TO 18 MONTHS AGO THAT WAS ALSO A DECENT PROPERTY, GOOD VIABLE PROPERTY, BUT IT HAD SOME TENANT LEASE ISSUES AND A LITTLE TOO COMPLICATED FOR US. WE DIDN'T WANT TO STEP IN AS THE LANDLORD AND DEAL WITH SOME OF THOSE. NOW THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS RESOLVED ALL THOSE ISSUES AND IS NOW IN A POSITION TO TALK TO US ABOUT POTENTIALLY ACQUIRING THAT PROPERTY. SO WE HAVE BOTH A VERY VIABLE PROPERTY THAT COULD BE SOMETHING WE'RE MOVING ON IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. IF NOT, WE HAVE A VERY VIABLE PROPERTY AS A BACKUP. THAT ONE GOES SLOWER. THE PROPERTY OWNER IS CURRENTLY IN EUROPE. THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT YOU READ ABOUT IN THE PAPERS. A LOT OF OUR LOCAL OWNERS ARE NOT ALL LOCAL. THEY OWN LOCAL PROPERTY, BUT THEY MAY NOT BE RIGHT IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY. SO WE ARE VERY HOPEFUL THAT THIS WILL FINALLY COME TO A CLOSE. ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO ADDRESS IS A LOT OF TIMES WHEN CHIEF TRIPP HAS BEEN UP HERE UPDATING YOU, THIS SEEMS LIKE EVERY FEW MONTHS, THERE ARE A LOT OF COMMENTS AND CONVERSATION BY COUNCIL MEMBERS, WELL, DID WE DO THIS AND DID WE DO THAT? AND WHAT EXACTLY HAVE WE BEEN DOING THE PAST TWO YEARS AS WE TRY TO GO AND FIND THIS PROPERTY? TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, WE VETTED 28 PROPERTIES. THOSE WERE 28 PROPERTIES THAT OUR STAFF VETTED AND THEN BROUGHT TO CHIEF TRIPP. WE'RE DOING SITE VISITS. WE'RE LOOKING AT CONFIGURATIONS. THAT 28 NUMBER DOES NOT INCLUDE ALL THE PROPERTIES THAT JUST OUR STAFF LOOKED AT AND ELIMINATED BECAUSE THEY ARE IN A FLOODPLAIN. WE CAN'T PUT ALL OF THAT EQUIPMENT, ESPECIALLY DURING EMERGENCIES, IN A FLOOD ZONE. WE HAD TO ELIMINATE, SELL THE PROPERTIES. EVEN ONE WE FOUND RECENTLY OFF OF MARITIME THAT WAS EIGHT ACRES BUT IT'S IN THE FLOOD ZONE. WE CAN'T LOOK AT THOSE. WE GET AS CREATIVE AS TO LOOK AT PROPERTIES THAT MAY BE LISTED AND ONLY 2.5 OR 3 ACRES, AND WE'RE GOING TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER AND COLD CALLING TO FIND OUT IF THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO SELL TO US. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO TRY AND DO A THREE-WAY SWAP IN ORDER TO GET THEIR PROPERTY ON HILLSBOROUGH AND FIND A PLACE TO RELOCATE THEIR BUSES. NEITHER THEY NOR WE HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN TRYING TO FIND A PLACE TO RELOCATE THE BUSES TO. ONE PROPERTY OWNER, SAYS, HEY, IF YOU CAN FIND A PROPERTY IN THE COUNTY WE'LL SUL OUR PROPERTY IN THE CITY. EVEN ONE PROPERTY OWNER WHO SAID, WELL, IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND FILE EMINENT DOMAIN, THEN WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU ON OUR PROPERTY. WE GET ALL SORTS OF FEEDBACK, COMMENTS AND SELLERS THAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DEAL WITH. WE DO A LOT OF COLD CALLING. JUST BECAUSE AS WE TALKED ABOUT, THE PAST THREE YEARS, IT'S BEEN A VERY, VERY TIGHT MARKET, ESPECIALLY WHEN LOOKING OVER FIVE ACRES PLUS. HOPEFULLY THIS WILL FINALLY COME TO AN END, THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO START DOING THE DESIGN. YOU'VE GOT YOUR NEW CONSULTANT THAT IS GOING TO BE ON BOARD THROUGH CONTRACT ADMIN TO ASSIST THE CHIEF ON HER FOOTPRINT AND A FEASIBILITY ON ALL OUR PROPERTIES MOVING FORWARD. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >>LUIS VIERA: IT'S FUNNY, MS. FANAL, PLEASURE TO SEE YOU HERE. YOU ARE WONDERFUL. COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN HAD MENTIONED WHAT I THOUGHT WAS A GREAT IDEA, TALKING TO A LOT OF FIREFIGHTERS. THAT HE THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT IDEA TO SEE IF WE HAD TO DO IT IN CITY LIMITS. DO WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS WITHIN CITY LIMITS? >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: WE DID LOOK PREVIOUSLY AT PROPERTIES OUTSIDE THE CITY. UNFORTUNATELY AS YOU GET TOO FAR EAST, YOUR ACCESS FROM A LOGISTIC FEASIBILITY. SINCE IT CAME UP AT COUNCIL A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND WE ALSO THEN OFFICIALLY FELT, YOU ALL FELT IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU WOULD LOOK AT, WE DID EXPAND OUR SEARCH ON THE EASTERN CORRIDOR, BASICALLY ABOUT HILLSBOROUGH TO ADAMO JUST EAST OF THE CITY LINE AND WE ARE CURRENTLY VETTING THREE ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES TO BRING TO THE CHIEF. AGAIN, WE DON'T STOP LOOKING UNTIL WE'RE UNDER CONTRACT FOR ACQUISITION OF A PROPERTY. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COULD YOU EXPAND ON THE WEST SIDE, TOO, THE DALE MABRY CORRIDOR, DALE MABRY TO THE EAST? >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: MOST OF THE PROPERTIES WE LOOK AT OUT THERE FOR THE CHIEF LOGISTIC BEING CENTRAL ACCESS TO STATIONS AND UP NORTH AND THE OTHER FLEET, FOR THE FIRE OPERATIONS, IT IS MOST EFFECTIVE IF WE FOCUS ON THE EAST. WE DO LOOK BUT THEY HAVE EITHER BEEN TO GET THE LARGER PROPERTIES, THEY HAVE EITHER BEEN TOO FAR WEST OR WAY NORTH OF THE UNIVERSITY AREA. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU'VE LOOKED AT, JUST HAVEN'T FOUND A PROPERTY SUITABLE. >> YES. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR. REALLY QUICK, IF I MAY. WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS MAKE A MOTION FOR THESE TO COME BACK TO US. I'LL LOOK AT THE CALENDAR FOR A GIVEN TIME. WE ALWAYS GET A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON THIS AND GOOD T HAVE THE MOST UPDATED INFORMATION. IT PROBABLY WILL BE A WRITTEN REPORT, WHATEVER AND TALK TO YOU ALL OFF-LINE ABOUT IT. QUICK QUESTION FOR CHIEF TRIPP, IF I MAY. WE MENTION HERE DOWNTOWN. I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ON EXPANDING ONE, A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF MY PROFESSIONAL SPECIALTY OBVIOUSLY. WHAT AT THIS TIME? OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE YOUR OWN WISH LIST AND YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY CONSTRAINED BY THINGS. I KNOW I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, YOU WANT MORE ACTION DOWNTOWN TO MEET THE NEEDS OF DOWNTOWN. I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH. >> NO, THAT IS TRUE. I'M IN THE PROCESS OF ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL RESCUE CAR. BEING IN THIS POSITION THE LAST FEW YEARS, EVERYTHING IS OUTDATED. SO THE WAY WE DISPATCH OUR CALLS IS USING MORE RESOURCES THAN WE NEED. ONCE WE GET THE CAD SYSTEM THAT WILL ELIMINATE A LOT OF THAT. UP UNTIL THEN, I AM LOOKING TO ADD ANOTHER UNIT TO STATION ONE AND THAT UNIT WILL HELP WITH ALL OF THE MEDICAL CALLS THAT GOES ON IN DOWNTOWN. I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN LOOKING AT PROPERTY RIGHT OUTSIDE OF DOWNTOWN PROPERTY. IT WAS ONE LOCATION THAT WE USED TO HAVE. ACTUALLY A CITY BUILDING THAT'S THERE. USED TO BE AN OLD DISPATCH SYSTEM. I'M LOOKING TO SEE WHAT WE CAN PUT ON THERE. EVEN IF WE PUT ONE OF THE POTABLE FIRE STATIONS TO HELP WITH DOWNTOWN TAMPA. HAVEN'T STOPPED. I'M WATCHING MY NUMBERS. >>LUIS VIERA: QUESTION FOR YOU, WHICH IS, WHAT WOULD YOU NEED FROM US, IF ANYTHING AT THIS TIME, REQUEST FOR A FEASIBILITY STUDY AND HOW TO PROCEED WITH DOWNTOWN. THAT'S HOW WE STARTED ON STATION 25, IT WOULD GO FROM 24 TO 25 AND NOW DOING 24, WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US. WOULD IT BE A FEASIBILITY STUDY REQUEST TO MOVE THIS ALONG AND PUT PRESSURE TO SEE THIS HAPPEN? >>CHIEF TRIPP: I THINK WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A FEASIBILITY STUDY, I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING TAMPA FIRE IS GOING TO NEED IN THE FUTURE. I'M NOT SAYING AT THIS MOMENT ONLY BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO IMPLEMENT SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WAS RECOMMENDED FROM THE PREVIOUS NEEDS STUDY. WITH THAT, IT SHOWS WE NEED ADDITIONAL UNITS. OF COURSE, WE'RE GROWING. MORE PEOPLE COMING. AS FAR AS DOWNTOWN, THE CALL VOLUME, IT'S THERE, BUT THEY ARE ACTUALLY RUNNING OUTSKIRTS OF DOWNTOWN TAMPA. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS COME BACK WITH YOU WITH SOME DATA. MAYBE THE FIRST OR SECOND QUARTER TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT THE CALL VOLUME HAS BEEN DOWNTOWN AND BREAK IT DOWN FOR YOU WITH THE MEDICAL VERSUS FIRE-RELATED CALLS AND SEE WHERE WE GO FROM THERE. >> I'M MONITORING THE DATA. I GET MONTHLY REPORTS. JUST TO LET YOU ALL KNOW AS WELL, TAMPA FIRE MEETS WITH MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS ONCE A MONTH, SOMETIMES EVERY THREE WEEKS, TO STAY ON TARGET WITH ALL THE INITIATIVES THAT WE HAVE GOING ON. THAT'S WHERE REAL ESTATE COME IN. I HAVE LEGAL THERE. I HAVE LAM THERE. I HAVE ALL THESE DEPARTMENTS BECAUSE IT'S LIKE, HEY, WE NEED THIS, AND NEED THIS AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE PUSHING THE PEDAL ALONG. >>LUIS VIERA: LASTLY, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AT MOTION TIME, LASTLY I KNOW WE HAD GIVEN AN EXTENSION ON THE UPDATED PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN TO MARCH -- BECAUSE I GUESS YOU'RE UPDATING THE ONE OF 2022, THE STUDY, SO MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AROUND THAT TIME. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU, MA'AM. >>CHIEF TRIPP: I'LL AGREE WITH YOU. I'M NOT SAYING WE DON'T NEED ONE. YES, WE DO, BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE A WASTE OF MONEY WHEN THEY ARE GOING TO TELL US THE SAME THING THIS PREVIOUS STUDY HAS DONE. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS ADMINISTRATION IS DOING NOW TRYING TO IMPLEMENT A LOT OF THAT INFORMATION THAT WAS GIVEN. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU. I REALLY DON'T HAVE A QUESTION. I JUST HAVE A COMMENT FOR MS. VAN LOAN. YOU SAID WE DO A LOT OF COLD CALLING. THAT KIND OF TRIGGERED ME. YOU ARE LIKE THESE PEOPLE, THE INVESTMENT FOLKS THAT CALL OUR HOUSE ASKING TO BUY THE PROPERTY, THE CITY IS PART OF THAT PROCESS. THAT'S VERY INTERESTING TO ME. DO YOU GET A LOT OF PEOPLE TELLING YOU NO? >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: REAL ESTATE. WE DON'T QUITE CALL YOU AT 7:00 OR 9:00 AT NIGHT. WE USUALLY START WITH LETTERS THAT WE WILL SEND TO THE PROPERTY OWNER OF RECORD. IF WE KNOW THEY ARE ACTUALLY OPERATING THE BUSINESS, WE MAY FOLLOW UP IN PERSON AT THE BUSINESS OR CALL THE BUSINESS DIRECTLY, BUT WE ARE NOT LOOKING UP WHERE THEY LIVE AND DO IT THAT WAY. YES, WE ARE LIKE ANY INVESTOR. WE'RE GOING AFTER PROPERTY THE SAME WAY EVERYBODY ELSE DOES. WE DON'T HAVE SECRET TIPS ON HOW TO GO OUT AND REACH PEOPLE. IT IS A NUMBERS GAME AND YOU GO OUT AND REACH OUT TO AS MANY PROPERTIES THAT YOU CAN FIND THAT YOU HOPE MIGHT MEET THE CRITERIA YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. >>GWEN HENDERSON: ARE THERE OTHER THINGS WE'RE CONSIDERING THAT WE NEED PROPERTY FOR BESIDES THIS? >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: RIGHT NOW, THIS IS OUR BIGGEST PRIORITY THAT WE ARE PURSUING. THERE ARE A FEW THINGS DOWN THE ROAD WHERE WE KNOW THERE IS A LEASE THAT WILL COME UP IN TWO TO THREE YEARS. BUT, AGAIN, WITH PROPERTY, IF WE FIND SOMETHING THAT IS A GOOD DEAL, THIS JUST ISN'T THE MARKET RIGHT NOW WITH THINGS BEING SO TIGHT. THEY KEEP TALKING ABOUT INTEREST RATES FLATTENING OUT OR IT MIGHT BECOME A BUYER'S MARKET AGAIN. I WOULD SAY THIS HAS BEEN THE HIGHEST PRIORITY FOR ADMINISTRATION AS FAR AS NEW ACQUISITIONS. WE ALSO DO LOOK AT THE HOUSING, BUT WE TEND TO LOOK AT MUCH SMALLER PARCELS FOR WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT COMPARED TO THIS. THOSE ARE A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO FIND. YOU HEAR MS. HENDERSON COME IN OR MS. FEELEY COME IN AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THOSE AS WE LOOK AT HELPING TO FINANCE NEW TRANSITIONAL HOUSING AND NEW MULTIFAMILY HOUSING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING INITIATIVES. >>GWEN HENDERSON: MS. HENDERSON IS GONE. I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHILE YOU'RE UP HERE, I WANTED TO SAY -- YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS OFF-LINE SOME AND WITH OTHER THINGS, I WANT TO SAY WHAT A GREAT JOB YOU AND YOUR STAFF ARE DOING AND THAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO GET YOUR NEW GIS SYSTEM THAT WILL MAKE THIS NO LONGER AN INDIVIDUAL PHYSICAL JOB AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO A LOT MORE. JUST VERY EXCITED FOR YOU AND YOUR TEAM TO GET SOME UPGRADED EQUIPMENT. >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: I ALSO FOUND OUT, E-MAIL WHILE SITTING THERE, MY NEW GIS TECH AND REAL ESTATE TECH IS OFFICIALLY STARTING NOVEMBER 16. SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT ALSO. >>LYNN HURTAK: CONGRATULATIONS. AND CHIEF TRIPP, ALONG THE LINES OF COUNCILMAN VIERA'S QUESTIONS ABOUT THINGS YOU NEED, THE ONLY THING I DIDN'T HEAR HIM TALK ABOUT WAS PERSONNEL, BECAUSE THOSE NUMBERS HAVE NOT CHANGED, BUT THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS CHANGED. I KNOW YOU WERE LOOKING AND WAITING FOR THE 17 PEOPLE TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THE GRANT. IF WE DON'T GET THE GRANT, WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US IN TERMS OF PERSONNEL? >>CHIEF TRIPP: IT'S 18 THAT I REQUESTED. IF I DON'T GET 18, I'LL TAKE HALF. I'LL TAKE HALF JUST TO TRY TO GET A COUPLE OF THOSE UNITS IN AND MAKE SURE I CAN ASK FOR A COUPLE MORE. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE? DOES THAT SATISFY THE MOTION? >>LUIS VIERA: YES. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT IS ITEM 73. WE HAVE MS. KELLY AUSTIN, DIRECTOR OF HR AND TALENT DEVELOPMENT WITH A VERBAL REPORT AND SHE HAS HER TEAM WITH HER. >>BILL CARLSON: LIKE YOU ALL, I GET STOPPED ON THE STREETS BY EMPLOYEES. I GET CALLS FROM EMPLOYEES, AND THEY GIVE ANONYMOUS FEEDBACK ALL THE TIME. AND ONE OF THE PIECES OF FEEDBACK I GOT A COUPLE OF TIMES WAS THEY THINK THAT WE NEED MORE LEADERSHIP TRAINING. THIS WAS NOT MY IDEA. IT CAME FROM EMPLOYEES WHO GAVE IT TO ME ANONYMOUSLY. I'M JUST PASSING IT ON. >> KELLY AUSTIN, DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES AND TALENT DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN FRONT OF COUNCIL TODAY. THE TIMING IS VERY NICE BECAUSE AFTER 28 YEARS OF FAITHFULLY SERVING THE CITY, KAY HUNTER IS RETIRING. KAY HAS BEEN THE FACE OF TRAINING FOR A VERY LONG TIME. SHE IS THE ONE WHO IMPARTS A CULTURE OF SERVICE TO EMPLOYEES WHEN THEY WALK THROUGH THE DOOR ON DAY ONE. STAY TUNED, COUNCIL, BECAUSE WE'LL BE CELEBRATING KAY NEXT MONTH. WE ARE PASSING THE TORCH OFF. SHE'S HELPING US WITH THE TRANSITION. I WOULD BE PROUD TO INTRODUCE TO COUNCIL DR. SABRINA LEWIS WHO JOINS US. SHE IS NOT FROM UT. SHE IS FROM USF, WHERE SHE SPENT 19 YEARS WORKING AT THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA AS WELL AS BEING A GRADUATE OF USF. DR. LEWIS' EXPERTISE IS IN ADULT LEARNING SO IT DOVETAILS NICELY WITH WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON IS HEARING FROM FEEDBACK FROM EMPLOYEES. BEFORE I GO INTO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IN THE FUTURE UNDER DR. LEWIS AND HER NEW TENURE WITH THE CITY AS THE TRAINING MANAGER, JUST KIND OF WANT TO LEVEL-SET ON WHERE WE ARE AT TODAY. KAY HAS WORKED DILIGENTLY TO BRING BACK IN-PERSON ORIENTATION. YOU KNOW WE HAD TO SHUT THAT DOWN DURING COVID, AND THEN SPACE BECAME AN ISSUE. WITH HANNA OPENING UP, WE BROUGHT BACK IN-PERSON ORIENTATION, SO EVERY TWO WEEKS NEW HIRES GET TO COME IN PERSON. WE MADE IT WHERE THEY CAN GET THEIR BENEFITS DAY ONE. WE WORKED WITH T & I ON SOME OF THE NETWORK ISSUES THAT WE HAD SO THAT THE EMPLOYEES HAVE THE ABILITY TO SIGN IN, GET THEIR E-MAILS, GET ALL THEIR ACCESSES WHILE THEY HAVE THE TRAINING GROUP WITH THEM. WE'VE INVITED CERTAIN PEOPLE TO COME INTO ORIENTATION ON DAY ONE TO MAKE IT MORE INTERACTIVE WITH THE NEW HIRES. THE CHIEF OF STAFF COMES EVERY TWO WEEKS EITHER VIA ZOOM OR IN PERSON AND INTRODUCE HIMSELF AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CITY. SO IT'S REALLY NICE. SO WE WOULD PUT THAT INVITATION OUT IF COUNCIL EVER WANTS TO GO, WE CAN SHARE THE ORIENTATION SCHEDULE. WE CAN GIVE YOU A ZOOM LINK OR IF YOU JUST WANT TO POP IN AT PERSON ON HANNA AND SAY HELLO, ALWAYS WELCOME. WE ALWAYS MAKE TIME FOR THAT. WE'RE EXCITED THAT THAT'S IN-PERSON AGAIN. I THINK THAT IS YOUR FIRST FIRST DAY AT THE CITY TO BE IN-PERSON. ZOOM IS WHAT WE DID TO GET BY DURING THE PANDEMIC. AS COUNCIL IS AWARE, WE STILL CONDUCT THE CULTURAL INCLUSIVE AWARENESS TEAM. THIS TEAM OVERSEES THE CONTRACTORS WE USE TO ACCOMPLISH THAT. WE HAVE LEADING DIVERSE TEAMS TRAINING WE ALWAYS CONDUCTED INTERNALLY AT THE CITY. WE HAVE A LEADERSHIP EXCELLENCE SERIES WHICH IS REALLY DESIGNED FOR SUPERVISORS AND MANAGERS NEWLY PROMOTED SO IT DOESN'T REALLY SCRATCH THE ITCH OF THE FURTHER LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT OF MID AND SENIOR LEVEL MANAGERS AND ADMINISTRATORS AND SO ON. BUT IT IS A NICE LEADERSHIP CLASS. IT RUNS FOR FOUR WEEKS, FOUR HOURS EACH SESSION AND WE HAVE DIFFERENT GROUPS IN THE CITY COME IN AND SPEAK. SO THEY LEARN ABOUT THE PURCHASING PROCESS, THEY LEARN ABOUT EMPLOYEE RELATIONS. THEY LEARN ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT FACETS OF THE CITY AND HOW THEIR ROLE IN NEWLY BEING PROMOTED INTO MANAGEMENT, HOW THAT INTERFACES WITH THAT. THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE IN-HOUSE THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO. WE HAVE A LEARNING LIBRARY THAT WE PURCHASED PROBABLY ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, AND WE PULL DOWN ITEMS FROM THAT LEARNING LIBRARY AND BUILD SPECIFIED TRAINING AT THE REQUEST OF DEPARTMENTS. IF SOMEBODY IS STRUGGLING WITH A PARTICULAR ASPECT, WHETHER LEADERSHIP, RESUMÉ WRITING, HOW TO DO AN EVALUATION, CONFLICT RESOLUTION, WE PROVIDE INDIVIDUAL ONE-ON-ONE CURRICULUM AND TRAINING FOR THAT AS WELL. WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO MOVING FORWARD WITH DR. LEWIS? KAY IS PASSING THE TORCH OFF AND SABRINA IS VERY EXCITED ABOUT JOINING THE CITY. WHEN WE INTERVIEWED HER, IT WAS SO OBVIOUS EVERY TIME I TALKED WITH HER AND THE TEAM TALKED WITH HER, I SAID WE'VE GOT TO HONE IN ON THIS BECAUSE SHE MEETS THAT. SHE'S GOT THAT CULTURE OF SERVICE PHILOSOPHY THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP. BUT WITH THE ADULT LEARNING SPECIALTY BEING HER WHEEL HOUSE, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE VERY SUCCESSFUL IN WHAT WE HOPE TO DO AS THE NEW YEAR APPROACHES, DR. LEWIS WOULD LIKE TO SURVEY THE EMPLOYEES TO FIND OUT WHAT WOULD THEY LIKE. IF WE COULD OFFER ANYTHING, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE. AND ALSO REMIND EMPLOYEES OF TUITION REIMBURSEMENT FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING TO TAKE A JOURNEY AND PERHAPS GROW AND DEVELOP. WE WANT PEOPLE TO STAY WITH US, BUT CERTAINLY IF THAT'S NOT THEIR DESIRE THEY STILL HAVE TUITION REIMBURSEMENT AVAILABLE TO THEM. DR. LEWIS AND I HAVE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT AN INTERNAL MENTORSHIP PROGRAM TO TRY TO RETAIN THE LEADERS IN THE ORGANIZATION AND HELP THEM GROW AND DEVELOP. WE'RE TENTATIVELY CALLING IT GROW OUR OWN, WORKING TITLE RIGHT NOW. WE'LL SEE IF WE STICK WITH THAT. THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE AS WELL. THEN WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US IN THE LEARNING LIBRARY AND ALSO LOOK OUTWARD. THERE ARE SOME EXTERNAL LEADERSHIP CLASSES, CORNELL AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE BUT WE'LL TRY TO LOOK A LITTLE CLOSER TO HOME AND SEE IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE DOABLE FOR A GREATER POPULATION THAN ONE OR TWO PEOPLE GETTING SENT TO LIKE A CORNELL LEADERSHIP SERIES. I'LL TAKE A BREATH AND OPEN IT UP TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS OR FEEDBACK. HAPPY TO HEAR IT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, CHAIR. I AM SO GLAD TO HEAR THIS BECAUSE WE DO NEED A SUCCESSION PLAN. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE PROBABLY RETIRING IN A LOT OF AREAS. >>KELLY AUSTIN: OH, YEAH. >>GWEN HENDERSON: WE HAVE THE SITUATION IN OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIVISION, AND WE NEED PEOPLE TO STEP UP. I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT. LEARNING LIBRARY, IS IT DIGITAL? DO THE EMPLOYEES ALREADY KNOW ABOUT IT? >>KELLY AUSTIN: YES. WHAT WE DO TODAY, THOUGH, WE BUILD A CURRICULUM BASED AROUND WHAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE IN THE LIBRARY. SO IF WE'RE HAVING A COACHING CONVERSATION WITH AN EMPLOYEE, KAY OR SOMEBODY ON OUR TEAM WOULD PULL THOSE DOWN FOR THE EMPLOYEE AND LET THEM TAKE THOSE COURSES AND CLASSES AND PROVIDE THEM WITH LINKS TO DO IT. IT'S NOT JUST OUT THERE PUBLISHED BECAUSE IT'S VERY EXPANSIVE AND EXTENSIVE. RIGHT NOW IT IS NOT BUT IT IS ONE OF THE GOALS WE KIND OF HAD WHEN WE BOUGHT IT, PUT IT ON THE iNET AND LET PEOPLE TAKE IT AT WILL. BUT IF YOU WANT CREDIT FOR IT, WE HAVE TO RUN IT THROUGH ORACLE, WHICH MEANS WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME INTERACTION WITH THEM. >>GWEN HENDERSON: ANYTHING FOR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, LIKE A COURSE IN PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT WE COULD USE? >>KELLY AUSTIN: I'M ON THE 457 COMMITTEE AND I WOULD LOVE A CLASS LIKE THAT AS WELL. WE DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN OUR LEARNING LIBRARY. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT. I HAVEN'T HAD THAT COURSE SINCE FRESHMAN YEAR OF COLLEGE. THAT WOULD BE NICE. >>KELLY AUSTIN: I WILL TAKE IT WITH YOU. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I MAKE A MOTION FOR ALL OF US TO TAKE IT. MAYBE I CAN GET FOUR VOTES. NO NO. [ LAUGHTER ] I KNOW ALAN WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING FUNNY. NO, WAIT A MINUTE. LET ME FINISH. TUITION REIMBURSEMENT, JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, HOW MANY OF OUR EMPLOYEES TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT? AND DO WE HAVE THE BUDGET FOR THAT? I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT AS A BUDGET LINE ITEM. >> PROBABLY ABOUT 25% OF THE GENERAL EMPLOYEES, BUT A GREAT PERCENTAGE OF FIRE AND POLICE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT. NOW, WE DO PROMOTE IT AT ORIENTATION. THEY HAVE TO FINISH THEIR FIRST SIX MONTHS PROBATIONARY PERIOD YOU SEE A LOT OF THE FIRE TAKE IT BECAUSE THEY NEED THAT PARAMEDIC CERTIFICATION. THERE ARE DIFFERENT BUCKETS FOR THE DIFFERENT GROUPS. YOUR WASTEWATER, CERTIFICATIONS AND LICENSURES THEY HAVE TO GET AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. YOU SEE SOME PEOPLE TAKE IT JUST BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO HELP THEM WITH THE EXISTING JOB THEY HAVE. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN MASTERS PROGRAMS. A COUPLE OF PEOPLE IN Ph.D. PROGRAMS THAT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE TUITION REIMBURSEMENT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU HAVE DONE FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF TAMPA. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM. ANYTHING ELSE? ARE YOU GOOD? >>BILL CARLSON: SAME THING. THANK YOU. CONGRATULATE YOU LATER. LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU. A FEW THINGS REAL FAST, ONE OF THE COMMENTS I GET IS ABOUT CULTURE, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ALL ARE PREPARED AND ON IT. LET ME SAY AS A CAVEAT, THIS WHOLE AREA OF DISCUSSION CLEARLY IN THE CHARTER IS A POWER OF THE MAYOR, NOT OF CITY COUNCIL. SO I APPRECIATE THE MAYOR AND CHIEF OF STAFF AND OTHERS ALLOWING US TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. IT'S GOOD FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK TOGETHER ON THIS AND LISTENING TO OUR EMPLOYEES. ALSO, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF -- FROM COVID TO OTHER ISSUES, HURRICANES AND POLITICS OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, BEEN A LOT OF ISSUES. IT SEEMS LIKE THERE IS A GROWING CONSENSUS TO TRY TO HAVE PEACE FOR THE NEXT TWO AND A HALF YEARS, I HOPE THAT HOLDS. IF THAT CAN HOLD, WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO ENSURE THAT THE EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY HAVE POSITIVE CULTURE. THE OTHER THING, LIKE MY COLLEAGUE MENTIONED, FOLKS WANT TO MOVE UP. THEY WANT TO SEE THAT THERE'S ROOM FOR ADVANCEMENT. AND THEY ALSO WANT TO DEVELOP CAREERS. THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE HERE FOR A LONG TIME. THE MORE ENTHUSIASM YOU ALL CAN CREATE, YOU KNOW THIS AREA BETTER THAN I. IF WE GIVE THEM TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES, MANY TIMES WE TURN IN HOUSE BECAUSE WE'RE ONE OF THE BIGGEST CITIES AND GREAT STAFF ALREADY, TURN IN HOUSE AND HIRE FOLKS BUT WE WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WE HAVE GREAT TRAINING THAT WILL HELP THEM. PROGRAMS YOU MENTIONED, CORNELL, ET CETERA, FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF THOSE. I THINK PEOPLE NEED SIGNALS LIKE THAT ON THEIR RESUMÉS AND THEY NEED TO KNOW THEY ARE GOOD ENOUGH TO GO ANYWHERE ELSE IF THEY HAVE THOSE ON THEIR RESUMÉS AND THEY NEED TO KNOW WE APPRECIATE THEM SO MUCH THAT WE WOULD INVEST IN THOSE WAYS. THE OTHER THING, WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THE UNIONS. I THINK WE ALL TALK TO THE UNIONS A LOT. AND THEN THERE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WORK AROUND THE MAYOR. THEY GET LOTS OF RAISES AND EVERYTHING. BUT THE PEOPLE IN BETWEEN, MID-LEVEL MANAGERS, SEVERAL OF THEM HAVE SAID THEY FEEL LEFT OUT OF THE RAISES AND CULTURE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE FEELS LIKE PART OF ONE TEAM AND EVERYONE FEELS LIKE THEY GET ADVANCEMENT, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T MISS ANYBODY. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYBODY ELSE? >> COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I WOULD ADD, I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. WHEN I CAME INTO HR, I NOTICED THERE REALLY WASN'T ANY PATH, STEPPING-STONES FOR THE LOWER-LEVEL EMPLOYEES. SO THAT WAS ONE OF MY FIRST CHALLENGES AND THE ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE OVER THE SIX YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE, EVERY BUDGET SEASON, EXCEPT FOR THIS ONE. BUT I'VE BUILT IN SOME STEPPING-STONES WHERE PEOPLE, IF THEY WANTED A CAREER IN HR, THEY COULD STAY IN HR AND MOVE AROUND A LITTLE BIT. BUT I THINK WE'VE BEEN A LITTLE BIT REMISS WHEN YOU START GOING UP THE CHAIN ABOUT THAT LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT, THAT SUCCESSION PLANNING. ISABRINA IS FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR. I'M ORIGINALLY FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR. THAT'S A BIG PART, GROWING YOUR OWN, MOVING THEM UP, HAVING A PATH 37 AS LONG AS WE STICK TO CIVIL SERVICE RULES WE CAN STILL DO MENTORING AND SUCCESSION PLANNING FOR CLASSIFIED EMPLOYEES THAT KIND OF FALL INTO THIS GROUP THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. I THINK WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF BUILDING STEPPING-STONES FOR THE LOWER RANKS TO KIND OF MOVE AROUND, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE UP AND FOCUS ON THAT MIDDLE GROUP TO GET A BETTER BANG FOR THE BUCK. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX ITEMS TO GO. IF WE COULD MAKE SURE WE STAY WITHIN THAT FIVE-MINUTE PER COUNCIL MEMBER FIRST ROUND AND THEN LET THE PRESENTER MAKE THE PRESENTATION BEFORE WE START ASKING QUESTIONS. ITEM 74 IS MR. TONY MULKEY. A MOTION INI INITIATED BY COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. >>TONY MULKEY: TONY MULKEY, PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR. THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME TO TALK ABOUT THE CREATIVE LOAFING BRUNCH EVENT AT THE TAMPA RIVER CENTER. PREPARED A WRITTEN MEMO, BUT I WANT TO GO INTO A LITTLE MORE DETAIL FOR EVERYONE FOR UNDERSTANDING OF THE STRUCTURE SYSTEM AND WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO. TO BEGIN WITH, THE CREATIVE LOAFING BRUNCH EVENT TOOK PLACE IN 2024 AND 2023. FOR FULL TRANSPARENCY, THEY HAD A SIMILAR EVENT TWO PREVIOUS YEARS IN 2020 AND 2022. SO IT WASN'T NECESSARILY UNDER THE BRUNCH EVENT BUT THEY HAD TWO OTHERS. THESE EVENTS WERE TICKETED EVENTS THAT THEY UTILIZED THE RIVER CENTER FOR AND HAD A VARIETY OF VENDORS THERE THAT PROVIDED SAMPLES TO THE PUBLIC AS PART OF THEIR TICKET. NOW, THE QUESTION IS HOW THESE VENDORS WERE ABLE TO OPERATE WITH OUR PREFERRED VENDING PROGRAM THAT IS STILL IN PLACE RIGHT NOW, WAS THAT THE EVENT WAS LICENSED UNDER AN APPROVED VENDOR. AND THEN THE OTHER VENDORS THAT CAME IN ACTED LIKE A SUBCONTRACTOR ESSENTIALLY. IT'S SIMILAR TO HOW LIKE A FLOWER DECORATOR OR A WEDDING PLANNER WOULD OPERATE BUT FOOD AND BEVERAGE HAD TO GO THROUGH THAT APPROVED VENDOR. WE TRIED TO STRUCTURE IT VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE CONVENTION CENTER DOES WHEN THEY HAVE PEOPLE COME IN FOR A CONVENTION OR SOMETHING, BUT WE'VE LISTENED. WE'VE LISTENED TO THE COMMUNITY. WE'VE LISTENED AND APPROACHED THIS WITH THE SPIRIT OF OPPORTUNITY AND THE AVAILABILITY FOR EVERYONE TO GET IN THERE. EVERYONE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A CHANCE AT PROVIDING SERVICES AT A CITY FACILITY, A COMMUNITY FACILITY. SO MOVING FORWARD, I KNOW WE HAVE A WORKSHOP COMING UP VERY SOON, IN ABOUT THREE WEEKS, AND LOOK FORWARD TO DISCUSSING WHAT THOSE PLANS ARE TO ROLL OUT A NEW SYSTEM BEGINNING IN 2025. CURRENTLY CYCLE OF THE RFP WITH THE PREFERRED VENDORS ENDS IN APRIL. WE KNOW WE HAVE A LEAD TIME ON EVENTS AT THE RIVER CENTER BECAUSE IT DOES FILL UP QUICKLY. I WOULD LIKE TO GO OVER ALL ASPECTS OF THAT DURING THE WORKSHOP AND TRY TO BREAK IT DOWN. WE DO INTEND TO OPEN IT UP FOR ANYONE WHO QUALIFIES TO BE A VENDOR AT THIS SPACE, WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS TO TRY AND ADDRESS THOSE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU FOR COMING TODAY. I KNOW YOU WROTE THE MEMO. I'M GLAD YOU ALL DID AND IT GOT INTO OUR SYSTEM IN TIME ENOUGH. THIS WILLING CLASSIFIED AS A CHARITY EVENT. IS THAT ANYWHERE ON OUR WEBSITE THAT LETS THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT THEY CAN USE THIS SPACE AS A CHARITY EVENT AND PICK A SUBCONTRACTOR OF THEIR CHOOSING TO HAVE AN EVENT AT THE RIVER CENTER? >> THERE IS A SMALL BLURB IN THE FAQs, SO I DON'T THINK IT IS GOOD ENOUGH. >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY, GOOD. IT DOESN'T SAY THAT. WHAT IT GIVES THE IMPRESSION OF IS IF THE CATER DOESN'T HAVE A PARTICULAR SOMETHING, THEN THEY CAN SUBCONTRACT LIKE THE COFFEE OR CAKE. THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS. IT DOESN'T GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT 14 VIABLE CITY RESTAURANTS CAN COME AND USE THE FACILITY. ALSO, WHO WAS THE ACTUAL CONTRACTOR THAT THEY WORKED UP UNDER, THE LICENSED CATER. >> CBK. >>GWEN HENDERSON: CBK WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OF THESE FOLKS. THE RULE ALSO SAYS HERE, OR AT LEAST THE ANSWER TO THE PUBLIC, IT SAYS THAT THE CATERER CAN BRING IN ON BEHALF OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED. IN OTHER WORDS, CREATIVE LOAFING WANTS A VARIETY OF FOOD. IT SAYS THAT THE LICENSED CATERER WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA CAN DO THAT ON THEIR BEHALF. THAT'S NOT HOW THIS EVENT OPERATED. IT LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE THERE FOR THEMSELVES. >>TONY MULKEY: YES, THEY WERE PROMOTING THEMSELVES. DEFINITELY IN A STRUCTURE LIKE THIS, IT WAS KIND OF A SHOWCASE FOR THOSE BUSINESSES. THEY WERE LIMITED TO ONE-OUNCE SAMPLES. ANY SUBSTANTIVE FOOD, WHICH THE DID HAVE LIKE A MENU THEY OFFERED AND DRINKS. >>GWEN HENDERSON: IT WAS ALL YOU CAN EAT. SAYS ON THE COVER ON THE VERY TITLE. ADVERTISED IN CREATIVE LOAFING, IT SAYS CREATIVE LOAFING ALL YOU CAN EAT BRUNCH EVENT RETURNS TO TAMPA. DON'T USE THE ONE OUNCE PLEASE. THAT WOULDN'T BE RIGHT. HERE IS THE OTHER THING TOO. ON OUR WEB PAGE OR EVEN WHEN THE COMMUNITY COMES TO TRY TO GET THE RIVER CENTER, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S WRITTEN IN YOUR MEMO, IT SAYS THAT SITUATIONS THAT ALLOW FOR OUTSIDE FOOD AND BEVERAGE VENDORS ARE FOR CHARITY EVENTS. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO HAS DONE THIS FOR CHARITY, USED THE RIVER CENTER? BECAUSE THAT'S NOT ADVERTISED. THAT'S NOT CLEAR. >>TONY MULKEY: SURE. AGAIN, IT'S NOT QUITE ON THE WEBSITE BUT PART OF THE COORDINATION PROCESS. AND I THINK -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: IT'S NOT. CREATIVE LOAFING IS THE ONLY ONE THAT GETS THE DEAL. THAT'S WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE. >>TONY MULKEY: WE WORKED WITH THE GASPARILLA FESTIVAL. THE ARTS IS ONE THAT WE HAVE WORKED WITH IN THE PAST WITH THEIR EVENTS. WE'VE HAD SEVERAL OTHER INSTANCES OF SIMILAR. I DON'T HAVE ALL THE DETAILS. >>GWEN HENDERSON: HOW WOULD EVERYBODY ELSE KNOW? SEEMS LIKE THEY WOULD HAVE -- OR AT LEAST IT GIVES THAT IMPRESSION. NO ONE ELSE KNOWS THAT, WHETHER ANY OUTSIDE ORGANIZATION CAN SAY, OH, I WANT TO GIVE SOMETHING TO CHARITY, AND THEY COULD USE THE JULIAN B. LANE RIVER CENTER AND THEN BRING IN A SUBCONTRACTOR OR CATERER. THAT'S NOT -- THE PUBLIC IS NOT PRIVY TO THAT KIND OF INFORMATION. >>TONY MULKEY: LIKE I SAID, IT WAS NOT AS PROMINENT AS I WOULD HAVE PREFERRED ON THE FAQs WITH THAT. WE'VE HAD EVEN PRIVATE EVENTS BRING IN SOMEONE IF THEY HAD A SPECIALIZED CUISINE LIKE NEEDING KOSHER OR SOME TYPE OF DIETARY CUISINE, THAT WAS KIND OF THE CATCHALL THAT, HEY, THESE VENDORS DON'T OFFER SOMETHING, TALK TO US AND WE CAN HELP BRIDGE THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH A LEAD THAT HAS A SUB. I'M COMPLETELY AGREEING WITH YOU. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I WANT TO ASK THE QUESTIONS SO WE DON'T TAKE UP A LOT OF TIME WITH THE NUANCES OF THIS WHEN WE GET TO OUR PUBLIC HEARING ABOUT IT, WORKSHOP. THE RFP HAS THE SUBCONTRACTOR FORM. ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE CATERERS CURRENTLY HAVE TURN IT IN RFP, CBK LISTED THE 14 CATERERS AS PART OF THE RFQ. >>TONY MULKEY: THEY DID NOT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: HOW WERE THEY ALLOWED TO USE IT IF THIS FORM WAS TURNED IN IN ADVANCE. >>TONY MULKEY: AS FAR AS THE PURCHASING AGREEMENT, I WASN'T PART OF THE PROCESS THERE. I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT THE SUBMITTAL REQUIREMENTS WERE FOR THAT. FOR THE EVENT, EVERY ONE OF THOSE HAD TO SUBMIT PAPER WORK. >>GWEN HENDERSON: AFTER THE FACT? >>TONY MULKEY: AFTER THAT, YES. >>GWEN HENDERSON: BECAUSE THIS IS DONE WITH THE SCORING PROCESS. THE SUBCONTRACTOR FORM -- I'M SAYING THIS FOR THE PUBLIC. I THINK YOU KNOW THIS, BUT THIS IS DONE IN ADVANCE FOR US TO DECIDE IF WE'RE GOING TO USE YOU AS A CONTRACTOR. THERE ARE SO MANY FLAWS IN THIS SITUATION. I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE BRINGING SOME LIGHT TO IT. THERE WAS ONE MORE. A CONTRACTOR, THE MEMO SAID THERE WERE NINE, BUT THERE ARE EIGHT LISTED. WHERE DID THIS OTHER CONTRACT COME FROM? >>TONY MULKEY: WE DID AN RFQ PROCESS FOR THE SMALL MEETING ROOM FOR THE NONALCOHOLIC EVENTS. >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHEN DID YOU DO THAT? >>TONY MULKEY: THE SAME TIME AS THE RFQ FOR THE VENDORS IN THERE. THE AWARDS WERE AT TWO SEPARATE TIMES. WHY I SAID NINE IS BECAUSE ONE OF THE VENDORS FROM THE BIG ROOM QUALIFIED UNDER THE SMALL ROOM GUIDELINES. SO IT WAS KIND OF TEN AWARDS BUT ENDED UP BEING A DELTA OF NINE. WE HAD TWO SEPARATE PROCESSES. THOSE EXPIRED EARLIER BECAUSE THEY WERE AWARDED EARLIER, THEY EXPIRED LAST MONTH IN AUGUST. WE DECIDED NOT TO RENEW THAT WE WOULD GET RID OF THE RFPARD- PROCESS. WE'LL DO A QUALIFICATION PROCESS AS NEEDED. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THE LAST QUESTION IS ABOUT THE COMMUNITY. THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES. THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T GET TO USE JULIAN B. LANE, BUT DURING THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING JULIAN B. LANE, THE COMMUNITY WAS TOLD, OF COURSE, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO USE THE FACILITY BUT THAT DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE TRUE AND NOTHING ON THE WEBSITE THAT INDICATES THE COMMUNITY HAS ACCESS TO IT. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU ALL HAVE ADDRESSED? >>TONY MULKEY: I'LL GET SOME INFORMATION BEFORE THE WORKSHOP ON THAT. WE DO HAVE A LOT OF COMMUNITY GROUPS THAT USE IT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: FOR FREE? >>TONY MULKEY: YEAH, WE DO. >>GWEN HENDERSON: HOW WOULD THEY KNOW? I LOOK FOR IT. NAME ONE FOR ME AS AN EXAMPLE. >>TONY MULKEY: I'M THINKING MORE ALONG LIKE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OR F.D.O.T. HAS USED COMMUNITY INPUT MEETINGS AND THEY ARE MORE OF THE OFFICIAL FUNCTIONS. AS FAR AS A NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP OR OTHER, I WOULD HAVE TO DO SOME RESEARCH. >>GWEN HENDERSON: HOW WOULD THEY GET IN? F.D.O.T., THOSE FOLKS, HOW DO THEY DO THAT? MAKE A SPECIAL PHONE CALL OR SOMETHING? >>TONY MULKEY: THEY HAVE TO HAVE A CITY SPONSOR THROUGH A DIRECTOR. I CAN PROVIDE THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING AND SHOW YOU THAT WE HAVE A PROCESS THAT IS VETTED THROUGH A WORK FLOW AND HAS TO BE SIGNED OFF AT MULTIPLE LEVELS. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THIS IS A PUBLIC SPACE, SO HOW WOULD THE PUBLIC KNOW? IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION. SEE HOW ISOLATED THIS BECOMES? THAT'S ALSO ONE OF THE CHALLENGES ABOUT THIS JULIAN B. LANE RIVER CENTER THAT WE PAID A LOT OF MONEY FOR. GOT THE BP OIL MONEY TO PAY FOR IT. THE LIGHT IS YELLOW BUT I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT AND LOOK FORWARD TO SOME MOVEMENT ON THIS AT OUR SEPTEMBER WORKSHOP. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FOR MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, MY WIFE AND I WERE LOOKING AT A PLACE TO GET MARRIED, I LOOKED AT THE RIVER CENTER. IT WAS 3,000 TO RENT THE ROOM, THE BIG ROOM AND THEN LIKE $200 TO HAVE IT FOR 30 MINUTES, IF I REMEMBER. YOU GET ACCESS TO CHAIRS. OKAY, IF IT RAINS OR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN A COVERED SPOT. DO SOMETHING TAMPA. THEN IT WAS RENTING THE CHAIRS, THIS AND THAT TO HAVE THE CEREMONY. WE ENDED UP GOING OUT HERE IN THE COURTYARD. WE COULDN'T RENT IT. COULDN'T HAVE CHAIRS. COULDN'T HAVE MUSIC BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC SPACE. WE WENT IN AND WE HAD SOMEONE OFFICIATE, TOOK PICTURES, ANYBODY CAN DO THAT. ANYBODY CAN GO DOWN THERE RIGHT NOW AND GET MARRIED, NO PERMISSION, NO INSURANCE SIGN-OFF. BUT IN RESPONSE TO THE QUESTION IS IT OPEN TO THE COMMUNITY? YES, WE WERE THERE FOR CEREMONIAL PURPOSES, GETTING MARRIED. BUT IT'S EXPENSIVE TO GET INTO THAT BUILDING. IF YOU HAVE A SPONSORSHIP AND WHATNOT, BUT COMMUNITY GROUPS AND KIDS THAT GO TO BLAKE HIGH SCHOOL AND WANT TO WALK DOWN THE STREET TO GET THERE, THAT IS THE THING. IT'S AN EXPENSIVE PLACE. COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: YOU SAID YOU HAD SOMEBODY OFFICIATE YOUR WEDDING. YOU HAD A VIP WHICH IS WHY YOU HAVE ACCESS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THIS IS HOW MUCH I LOVE CITY HALL. GOT MARRIED OUTSIDE OF CITY HALL AND GOT A FORMER MAYOR TO OFFICIATE, WHICH IS DICK GRECO. I THINK I MENTIONED IT TO YOU. YEAH, I GOT MARRIED HERE. DO THIS HERE. NOW YOU KNOW. >>BILL CARLSON: TWO QUICK QUESTIONS WHILE YOU'RE HERE. NUMBER ONE WHEN THIS FACILITY FIRST OPENED, AS MY COLLEAGUE SAID, COST A LOT OF MONEY, PART OF IT BP, STILL A LOT OF MONEY COULD HAVE BEEN SPENT ON SOMETHING ELSE. WHEN IT FIRST OPENED ONE OF THE CONCERNS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WASN'T WELL PUBLIC SIDES, FOR PROFITS AND NONPROFITS WERE WORRIED ABOUT THIS BUILDING COMPETING WITH THEM. I THINK WHAT MY COLLEAGUE TALKED ABOUT IS IMPORTANT, TOO. BUT THE FLIPSIDE IS THAT THE OTHERS SAID, WELL, WE DON'T WANT YOU TO COME IN WITH A NEW BUILDING AND UNDERCUT US IN PRICE. ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS IS, WELL, THIS BUILDING IS FULL ALL THE TIME AND HAS EVENTS ALL THE TIME. I WONDER WHAT KIND OF IMPACT IT HAD ON OTHER FACILITIES BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT COMPETING WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR. CAN YOU REAL FAST TELL US WHAT THE PRICING STRATEGY ON IT? DO YOU COMPARE TO OTHER COMPETITORS? >>TONY MULKEY: WE DID DO A BENCH MARK SURVEY OF DIFFERENT PRIVACY VENUES AS WELL AS OTHER PUBLIC VENUES AS WELL. THE STRATEGY GOING IN WE DIDN'T WANT TO BE THE LOWEST AND DIDN'T WANT TO BE THE HIGHEST. THERE WAS KIND OF THAT MIDDLE GROUND FOR DISCOUNTS FOR NONPROFITS, 25% DISCOUNT. RATES FLUCTUATE DEPENDING IF IT IS A WEEKEND VERSUS A WEEKDAY, DEPENDING IF YOU ARE USING THE BIG HALL VERSUS SMALL MEETING ROOM. >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD STAY ON TOP OF IT. BECAUSE AS PRICES CHANGE, YOU MIGHT WANT TO GET A GROUP OF SOME OF THE VENUES -- YOU DON'T WANT TO BREAK ANY LAWS. TALK TO THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT. GATHER THE INFORMATION AND MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT SUBSIDIZING SOME BIG CORPORATIONS GOING IN HAVING EVENTS WHEN THEY COULD GO TO SOME OTHER PLACE. THE OTHER THING IS, PART OF THE JUSTIFICATION OF THE COST WAS THAT IT'S A BOATHOUSE ON THE BOTTOM. BUT I NEVER SEE ANYBODY THERE. DOES ANYBODY USE THAT? >>TONY MULKEY: YES, OUR PROGRAMMING THERE IS FULL. WE ARE COMPLETELY SUBSCRIBED FOR OUR OFFERINGS.% OUR TEAM TAMPA TEAMS ACTUALLY PRODUCE THREE COLLEGIATE SCALAR PARTICIPANTS THIS -- SCHOLAR PARTICIPANTS THIS YEAR. >>BILL CARLSON: USED TO BE CREW TEAMS FROM OTHER STATES AND UNIVERSITIES WOULD COME DOWN, DO THEY STILL USE THE FACILITY? >>TONY MULKEY: SINCE WE OPENED, PRETTY LONG-TERM RELATIONSHIP WITH PRINCETON WHO COMES DOWN DURING THE SEASON. AT THE END OF THE YEAR THEY DONATED SOME OF THEIR BOATS TO THE COMMUNITY PROGRAM. THERE ARE A LOT OF DETAILS I CAN PROVIDE ON THE BOATHOUSE AS WELL WHEN I COME IN. >>BILL CARLSON: GREAT. THANK YOU. >>TONY MULKEY: YOU'RE WELCOME. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE? WE WILL RESERVE THE REST OF DISCUSSION FOR THE WORKSHOP BECAUSE THAT WILL BE COMING UP. IN REGARDS TO THE ROWING FOLKS, I SEE IT ALWAYS FULL. I USED TO ROW IN HIGH SCHOOL AND AT TAMPA CATHOLIC THEY HAVE A BOATHOUSE THERE. WHEN YOU GO TO UT THAT WAS THE CLOSEST. I'VE SEEN IT USED A LOT BY COLLEGE KIDS AND HIGH SCHOOL KIDS. WE'LL SEE YOU AT THE WORKSHOP THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT UP WE HAVE A MEMO FROM ABBYE WHO IS HERE REGARDING THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT FOR ROME YARD AND THE YELLOW JACKETS PROPERTY. >>ABBYE FEELEY: GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL. ABBYE FEELEY, INTERIM ADMINISTRATOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. THIS MOTION WAS A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON, AND I JUST WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND IN PERSON IN RELATION TO ROME YARD, THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT AND THE QUESTIONS SHE HAD RAISED IN CONCERN ABOUT OPENING UP THAT AGREEMENT. LOOKING AT OTHER MODIFICATIONS TO THE YELLOW JACKETS. I HAVE BEEN IN CONVERSATION WITH DIRECTOR MULKEY ON THIS AS WELL, AND I KNOW HE'S STILL IN THE CHAMBERS WITH US THIS AFTERNOON. JUST TO ADD SOME PERSPECTIVE, THE YELLOW JACKETS WERE RELOCATED FROM THEIR FIELD IN WEST TAMPA PRIOR TO THE RFP BEING DEVELOPED FOR ROME YARD. SO THAT -- THE PROPERTY WAS IDENTIFIED FOR ROME YARD. THAT RELOCATION HAD ALREADY TAKEN PLACE. THE RFP WENT OUT FOR ROME YARD. ROME YARD WAS THEN AWARDED. YOU MAY RECALL THE FIRST RFP HAD PROTEST, AND IT WAS REPUBLISHED AND THEN REAWARDED. AND THEN THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS MEETINGS THAT WERE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT WERE CONDUCTED. DURING THOSE MEETINGS, I DID GO BACK. I WAS NOT PARTY TO THAT. I WAS NOT PARTY TO THE RELOCATE THAT HAPPENED. KIND OF BY OTHER INDIVIDUALS WITHIN THE CITY. THOSE MEETINGS I DID IN PREPARATION FOR REPORTING TODAY, TOUCHED BACK WITH REPRESENTATIVES WHO WERE THERE AT THOSE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT DEVELOPMENT MEETINGS. NOTHING DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE YELLOW JACKETS OR ANY OTHER IMPROVEMENTS WERE COMBINED WITHIN THAT COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT. AT THIS TIME, THE YELLOW JACKETS ARE PLAYING IN THE TAMPA HEIGHTS AREA. I KNOW YOU'RE AWARE OF WHERE THAT IS. IT WOULD NOT BE KIND OF IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO REOPEN THAT AGREEMENT OR LOOK AT GOING BACK IN THAT PROCESS AS THAT IS KIND OF STAND-ALONE FROM THAT RELOCATION AND WHAT HAPPENED PRIOR TO THE LAND ASSEMBLAGE FOR PUBLICATION UNDER THE RFP. SO I THINK WE HAD A DISCUSSION ON THAT, AND I'M HERE JUST TO STATE THE FACTS OF THE MATTER IN RELATION TO WHAT TOOK PLACE AT THAT TIME. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON, THIS IS YOUR MOTION. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, MS. FEELEY. WE LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT WE MEET IN ADVANCE OF COUNCIL MEETINGS JUST TO GET SOME UNDERSTANDING. WHEN I MADE THIS MOTION, I REALLY WAS, OF COURSE, OBVIOUSLY WISHFUL THINKING THAT A DEVELOPER WOULD SAY, OH, YEAH, WE'LL MAKE THE YELLOW JACKETS WHOLE. THAT WOULD BE REALLY NICE OF US. WE HAVE THEIR LAND AND THEY CAN'T GET IT BACK. BUT THAT IS WISHFUL THINKING. THEY ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE AND I ACTUALLY DO UNDERSTAND THAT. AND THIS IS KIND OF LIKE ONE OF THE THINGS I SAID EARLIER, AS A COUNCIL, HOW WE MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT SPACES THAT WE OWN AND REALLY THINKING HOLISTICALLY ABOUT THE BENEFIT -- THE LONG-TERM BENEFIT AND WHAT WE'RE TAKING AWAY FROM SOMEONE AS WELL. YOU HAVE TO ALWAYS CONSIDER THAT. AND IT SEEMS VERY CLEAR -- THEY ARE GOING TO BE VERY HAPPY I'M SAYING SOMETHING LIKE THIS BECAUSE I NEVER USE THE WORD RESOLUTION 568, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'VE READ IT A COUPLE OF TIMES. IT'S CLEAR OUR CITY HAS MADE SOME HORRIBLE DECISIONS REGARDING SPACES WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, AND THERE ARE JUST NO SPACES. THESE SPACES THAT USED TO BE PREDOMINANTLY BLACK ARE NO LONGER THAT WAY. OUR BLACK COMMUNITIES, BLACK SPACES. AND THE YELLOW JACKETS IS ONE OF THEM. IT CAME OUT OF A HORRIBLE TIME IN 1967 WHEN A YOUNG MAN WAS KILLED ON CENTRAL AVENUE BY THE POLICE. JUST WHEN IT WAS PRESENTED TO THIS BODY, 120 ACRES AND YOU NEED THE BALLPARK TOO? JUST RIDICULOUS. A BALLPARK, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ACRES, COUPLE OF ACRES, PROBABLY FIVE MAYBE. I DON'T KNOW. BUT FOR A DEVELOPMENT TO HAVE RFP OF 120 ACRES AND NOT CONSIDER THE HISTORICAL NATURE OF THIS ONE GROUND IS UNFORTUNATE. BUT THE COMMUNITY HAS TO HEAR THESE -- HEAR THESE HARD THINGS JUST LIKE I DO, THAT THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT. AND SOMETIMES IT'S OUR JOB. YOU, MS. FEELEY, AS WELL AS ME, IS TO SAY THAT TO THE PUBLIC. IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND. OF COURSE, MR. WRIGHT WAS BEFORE US THIS MORNING. YOU CAN SEE THAT HE IS OF AGE, ONE OF OUR DEAR SENIOR CITIZENS IN THE COMMUNITY, AND THIS HAS BEEN A PART OF HIS LIFE FOR A VERY LONG TIME, SO HE'S STILL FIGHTING THIS BATTLE. I DRIVE BY THE NEW SPACE, AND IT JUST -- YOU KNOW, THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO IMPROVE IT, BUT, OF COURSE, WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF -- WE HAVE SO MANY ISSUES TO ADDRESS WITH OUR LARGE BUDGET. IT IS CONSTRICTED IN THAT WAY. I DO APPRECIATE THE REPORT. MAYBE THIS COULD BE AN APPEAL TO EVEN OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY PARTNERS WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA. IF YOU LISTEN TO THINGS LIKE THIS, MAYBE WE COULD -- THERE COULD BE PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS THAT WE COULD PURSUE TO MAKE THE YELLOW JACKETS WHOLE. THE LAST THING I'M GOING TO SAY IS THIS: THE YELLOW JACKETS JUST LIKE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS, WHERE YOU LIVE IS WHERE YOU PLAY BALL. SO NOW, WHERE THE YELLOW JACKETS IS LOCATED IN TAMPA HEIGHTS, THERE'S GENTRIFICATION CLEARLY THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE. A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE MOVED INTO THE COMMUNITY. I SAID THIS TO MS. FEELEY, THE PROBLEM IS, YES, THESE FAMILIES HAVE MOVED INTO THESE SPACES WITHIN THE CITY, BUT THEY DON'T WANT THEIR KIDS TO PLAY FOR THE YELLOW JACKETS. THAT'S HOW THIS DECISION THAT WAS MADE UP HERE EVEN IMPACTS, CONTINUES TO IMPACT A PROGRAM BECAUSE THEY ARE BEGGING TO GO PLAY IN NORTH TAMPA AND SOUTH TAMPA AND AT OTHER BALLPARKS THAT ARE MORE APPEALING FOR THEIR CHILDREN. SO WE CAN'T EVEN DEVELOP AND GROW THE YELLOW JACKETS FAIRLY BECAUSE THOSE FOLKS DON'T WANT THEIR KIDS PLAYING ACROSS THE STREET FROM A GRAVEYARD. SO THAT'S HOW MUCH THIS DECISION HAS IMPACTED US. IN THE FUTURE, EVEN WITH OUR RACIAL RECONCILIATION COMMITTEE, ANYTIME THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY -- ANYTIME THAT THERE'S SPACE THAT BECOMES AVAILABLE IN THIS CITY, I'M GOING TO TAKE EVERYTHING INTO CONSIDERATION THAT WAS WRITTEN IN RESOLUTION 568. I WOULD HOPE THAT THERE ARE OTHER MEMBERS OF COUNCIL THAT TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IN A BROADER CONVERSATION, AND I'VE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE. YOU HAVE WEST TAMPA. COLUMBUS DRIVE. BELEECHA BOULEVARD. SO MANY SPANISH OWNED BUSINESSES. YBOR CITY, THE BEDROCK AND FOUNDATION IS THE JEWISH COMMUNITY HISTORICALLY. THE ITALIAN COMMUNITY. THE SICILIANS, SPANIARDS, CUBANS. CENTRAL AVENUE AND PERRY HARVEY PARK AND SOME BUILDINGS ALONG SHOREMAN'S BUILDING. THE JACKSON HOUSE THAT'S BARELY STANDING BUT THE REST OF IT WAS DEMOLISHED. IT SEEMS LIKE WE PRESERVED -- HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS SOMETHING SO IMPORTANT TO ME. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT INSPIRED% ME TO RUN FOR CITY COUNCIL WAS LOOKING AT TAMPA'S PAST SO WE CAN BUILD FOR THE FUTURE. HAVING SAID THAT, SO MUCH WAS LOST. I'VE TALKED TO LEADERS FROM THE PAST, SPECIFICALLY ABOUT CENTRAL AVENUE. IMAGINE A BLACK YBOR CITY, BUSINESS OWNERS, RESIDENTS, THAT WAS ALL WIPED OUT. YES, WE HAVE PERRY HARVEY PARK, BUT THAT WAS A COMMUNITY. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PHOTOS, I WISH WE COULD DO A 3D VIRTUAL WALK-THROUGH JUST TO EXPERIENCE WHAT IT IS LIKE. THERE IS A MOVIE BLACK LIKE ME BASED ON A BOOK. IF YOU WATCH THE MOVIE AND I CAN PULL IT UP ON YouTube, THERE IS A SCENE WHERE A MAN IS GETTING OFF A BUS ON CENTRAL AVENUE AND THE ONLY FILM FOOTAGE I'VE SEEN OF CENTRAL AVENUE AND A HANDFUL OF PHOTOS. WHEN COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON SAYS WHENEVER THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY, SO MUCH HAS BEEN ERASED. I CAN TAKE TO YBOR CITY, I CAN TAKE YOU DOWN COLUMBUS DRIVE, MY CHILDHOOD HOME AND THE OTHER HOUSE LIVED IN AND SHOW YOU WHERE I WAS BORN, BUT CERTAIN COMMUNIIES DON'T HAVE THAT. THEY HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS AND HISTORICAL MARKERS. I GUESS THE GUILT OF WHAT WAS DEMOLISHED IN THE PAST AND WHAT WAS LOST. THE YELLOW JACKETS FITS RIGHT INTO THIS BECAUSE IT IS SO HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT. I'VE HAD PEOPLE OVER THE YEARS ASK ME ABOUT THIS. GOING BACK TO THE 1960s, 1967 YOU MENTIONED MARTIN CHAMBERS WHO WAS SHOT AND KILLED AND THAT TRIGGERED RIOTS AND MAYBE THE BEGINNING OF THE DOWNFALL OF CENTRAL AVENUE. I DON'T KNOW. BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE A BETTER EFFORT AT PRESERVING OUR HISTORY AND RESTORING WHAT WAS LOST. THERE ARE SO MANY EXAMPLES. AGAIN, CERTAIN COMMUNITIES ARE PRESERVED. THE CHINA TOWNS AND LITTLE ITALYS. BLACK COMMUNITIES, MAYBE HARLEM IN NEW YORK AND WHATNOT, HERE IN TAMPA, THAT HARLEM OF THE SOUTH, IT WAS COMPLETELY WIPED OUT. I'VE TALKED TO LEADERSHIP FROM THE PAST. I EITHER HEAR THEY WANTED TO TEAR IT DOWN OR THE INTERSTATE WAS COMING THROUGH. IT'S ALWAYS AN EXCUSE BUT ALWAYS AFFECTING THE SAME COMMUNITIES, IF IT'S HERE IN TAMPA OR THE REST OF THE UNITED STATES. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT IN THE FUTURE, YOU HAVE MY SUPPORT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THERE IS A BOOK BY SARAH McNAMARA, A PROFESSOR AT TEXAS A & M UNIVERSITY. SHE WAS HERE FOR A BOOK-SIGNING EVENT. IN HER BOOK -- I DON'T WANT TO START CRYING UP HERE -- BUT LITERALLY, THE PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE COMMUNITY DESTROYING THE BLACK COMMUNITY. THEY CAME TO CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE THAT IT HAPPENED. DON'T LET THEM COME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WORD FOR WORD, EVERY COMMENT THAT THE CITY COUNCIL SUPPORTED. SO THAT'S WHERE THIS IS COMING FROM. THE HISTORICAL REFERENCES ARE STILL THERE PROVING THAT IT WAS DONE. GET THE CAMERA OFF OF ME. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? COUNCILMAN VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: WE REALLY APPRECIATE -- WEARING THEIR HEART ON THEIR SLEEVE. IT TAKES A LOT OF GUTS AND A LOT OF HEART TO BARE YOUR SOUL ON SOMETHING SO PERSONAL. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES SIR. COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: I ECHO THE SAME THING. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON. FOR REPRESENTING THE COMMUNITY. WE ARE ALL OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY ALL THE TIME. WHAT SHE'S REPRESENTING, THE EMOTION AND THE FEELINGS IS WHAT WE HEAR NOT JUST IN THE CHAMBER BUT EVERY DAY OUT IN THE COMMUNITY. I HOPE THAT WE CAN LIVE UP TO THE STANDARD OF REPRESENTING THE COMMUNITY BROADLY AND CORRECTING SOME OF THE WRONGS OF THE PAST. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER 76, MS. ABBYE FEELEY HAS A VERBAL UPDATE. >>ABBYE FEELEY: JUST A VERY QUICK UPDATE. ABBYE FEELEY. GOOD AFTERNOON. ON THE CODE UPDATE. PUBLIC KICKOFF MEETING IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER, MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 16 AT THE HANNA CENTER. JUST WANT TO PUT THE FLYER UP FOR A MINUTE. THOSE OF YOU TAMPA FORWARD, BUILDING TOMORROW TOGETHER. YOU WILL SEE THIS NOW. WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET SOME OF THE SPACE ON THE KIOSKS IN DOWNTOWN, SO THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO START. IT WILL START NEXT MONDAY THROUGH THE MONDAY OF THE MEETING. JUST TO GIV YOU A LITTLE IDEA, WE HAVE FINISHED CREATING AN ADVISORY TEAM FOR THE CODE UPDATE. THAT IS A 12-MEMBER TEAM THAT IS A DIVERSIFIED GROUP FROM MANY OF THE DIFFERENT AREAS THAT ENGAGE WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. ENGINEERING ARCHITECTURE TREE AND LANDSCAPE, YIMBY, THAN. WE HAVE A GOOD GROUP THAT ARE GOING TO SERVE ALSO AS KIND OF AN INTERMEDIARY THERE FOR THE PUBLIC. WE'VE HAD A PUBLIC SURVEY UP. CLOSE TO 450 RESPONSES TO THAT. OUR SOFTWARE IS AMAZING. WE CAN SEE IF THERE ARE DUPLICATES COMING FROM HOUSEHOLDS AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT. RIGHT NOW 443 THAT HAVE COME IN. WE HAVE 60 PARTICIPANTS CURRENTLY SIGNED UP TO PARTICIPATE AT THE MONDAY NIGHT. AND I WOULD, OF COURSE, LIKE TO INVITE COUNCIL TO BE PRESENT THAT NIGHT IF THAT IS YOUR DESIRE. IT IS NOT A PUBLICLY NOTICED COUNCIL MEETING, SO IT WOULD BE MORE LISTENING FOR COUNCIL, AND I DON'T KNOW IF MR. SHELBY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THAT. BUT I HAVE CONTINUED TO TELL YOU I WILL BE HERE TO LET YOU KNOW@N THE PROCESS, HOW'S IT GOING AND I WANTED TO GIVE YOU THAT BRIEF UPDATE TODAY. IT'S AT HANNA AVENUE. DOORS OPEN AT 6:30. DOORS OPEN AT 6:30. THE PROGRAM WILL BE AT 7. THE CONSULTANTS WILL BE IN. THEY WILL BE THERE TO PARTICIPATE. CLEARLY, AND ENGAGE WITH THE PUBLIC SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO FORGE THOSE RELATIONSHIPS AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN UPDATING OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TOGETHER. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT. YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING THAT YOU'LL ALWAYS BE HERE TO UPDATE US. LET ME SAY FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD, YOU ARE ALWAYS ACCESSIBLE. YOU ALWAYS ANSWER MY QUESTIONS. YOU ALWAYS TAKE MY CALLS. YOU ALWAYS DO A WONDERFUL JOB. I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE PUBLICLY ACKNOWLEDGED. >>ABBYE FEELEY: THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU ARE A VERY BUSY PERSON AND THERE IS A LOT GOING ON. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU HAVE HOW MANY JOBS NOW? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YEAH, YOU DO A LOT. ITEM NUMBER 77, WE HAD MR. BHIDE HERE EARLIER REGARDING THE FLOODING. I KNOW THIS IS ABOUT PIPES AND THERE IS A PowerPoint PRESENTATION. MR. BAIRD, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE IT FROM THERE. >>BRAD BAIRD: I WILL. GOOD AFTERNOON. BRAD BAIRD, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE. TODAY IS THE FIVE-YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF THE PIPES APPROVAL. ON SEPTEMBER 5th, 2019, FOUR PEOPLE ON THIS CITY COUNCIL WERE A PART OF THAT HISTORIC VOTE FOR $2.88 BILLION PROGRAM TO REHABILITATE AND REPLACE WATER AND WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AGAIN FOR YOUR SUPPORT BACK THEN. WITH THAT INTRODUCTION, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ERIC AND RORY TO GO THROUGH MORE DETAILS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S ALREADY BEEN FIVE YEARS. >>BRAD BAIRD: AND BRING UP THE PRESENTATION PLEASE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TIME FLIES. >>ERIC WEISS: ERIC WEISS, WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR. I'LL JUMP RIGHT INTO IT. THE BACKBONE OF OUR PIPES PROGRAM IN THE WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT IS OUR MASTER PLAN. THAT'S WHAT WE FIRST DID. WE DID A MASTER PLAN FOR OUR ONE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, HOWARD F. CURREN ADVANCED WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AT PORT TAMPA BAY. WE HAVE 229 WASTEWATER PUMPING STATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. DID ANOTHER ONE FOR THAT. A MASTER PLAN FOR THAT. FINALLY, WE DID ONE FOR THE ACTUAL PIPES IN THE GROUND THROUGHOUT THE CITY, ABOUT 15 HUNDRED MILES OF PIPE. ADDING THAT ALL TOGETHER, $1.37 BILLION. WHERE ARE WE AT? THIS IS AN UPDATED SLIDE. SO FIVE YEARS TO THE DAY, WE AWARDED 99 PROJECTS FOR $480 MILLION. SINCE OUR LAST UPDATE SIX MONTHS AGO ON THERE ARE FOUR ADDITIONAL PROJECTS FOR AN ADDITIONAL TOTAL OF 20 MILLION. THAT WAS REALLY MOSTLY ONE PROJECT. YOU MAY REMEMBER I CAME AND DID A BAYSHORE WASTEWATER PUMPING STATION IN THE MEDIAN OF BAYSHORE AT STOVALL AND MASON STREET. THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE. AS WE REMEMBER, TOO, SIX MONTHS AGO WE TALKED ABOUT, HEY, THESE MASTER PLANS WERE DONE BEFORE COVID, BEFORE THE INFLATION, SO OUR CALCULATION SIX MONTHS AGO IS ABOUT $181 MILLION OF ADDITIONAL COSTS IF WE DID THE SAME EXACT MASTER PLANS. I THINK WE'RE STILL OKAY. WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE HAD REALLY SOUND MASTER PLANS AT THE PLANT FOR NEW PROCESSES, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD FIX THE STUFF THAT'S BROKEN, AS I ALWAYS SAY, FIRST. THESE ARE ALL ADDITIONAL THINGS. AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE DONE 12 TO 20 YEARS IN THIS MASTER PLAN, SO WE HAVE TIME TO COME BACK AND MAYBE DO GRANTS OR SOMETHING DIFFERENT. I WANT TO QUICKLY HIGHLIGHT JUST TWO PROJECTS THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS. BIG ONE, BIOGAS USE AND DIGESTIVE SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS. WHAT IS THAT? EITHER WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, RAW SLUDGE IS COLLECTED THROUGHOUT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PROCESS. IN TAMPA, WE TREAT THAT SLUDGE TO A DEGREE THAT LETS IT GO TO LAND APPLICATION AND ENVIRONMENTALLY IMPROVE RANCHES THROUGHOUT THE STATE. WELL, WE TREAT THAT SLUDGE IN THE BIG TANKS YOU SEE HERE, HELD AN AROBER DIGESTERS. PUT IN RAW SLUDGE, HEAT IT UP FOR 15 DAYS AND BREAKS DOWN ALL THE PROTOZOANS, ORGANIC BACTERIA AND BAD STUFF, I'LL CALL IT, WHICH ALLOWS IT TO BE USED FOR LAND APPLICATION. MOST OF THE TANKS WERE BUILT IN THE 1950s WITH THE ORIGINAL WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. THEY ARE PAST THEIR USEFUL LIFE. IN ADDITION, ANOTHER THEME YOU MAY REMEMBER ME SAY, A LOT OF THE CONTROL EQUIPMENT FOR THIS STUFF, PANELS, HEAT EXCHANGES AND THINGS ARE IN BASEMENTS BELOW GRADE. SO IN THE LENS OF SUSTAINABILITY AND CLIMATE CHANGE, WE'RE GOING TO REBUILD THOSE ABOVE GRADE. SO THIS IS NOW ABOUT $112 MILLION PROJECT. WE ARE READY TO GO. IT'S PLANNED TO COME TO COUNCIL HOPEFULLY NEXT MONTH FOR YOUR APPROVAL. ONE MORE SIMILAR PROJECT TO THIS, THOSE AN AEROBIC DIGESTERS I TALKED ABOUT, IN THAT PROCESS WE MAKE METHANE, ABOUT 1.4 -- EQUIVALENT TO ABOUT 1.4 MILLION GALLONS OF DIESEL FUEL. AND WHAT WE'VE DONE SINCE THE 1970s WITH THAT METHANE, WE PUT IT IN GENERATORS AND MADE ELECTRICITY TO OFFSET ABOUT 20% OF THE ELECTRICAL BILL AT THE PLANT. WELL, ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO, THOSE FINALLY WERE BROKEN, IRREPARABLE. AT THAT TIME, WE DID THE MASTER PLAN, WE DID A BUNCH OF ANALYSIS, WHAT ARE THE ALTERNATIVES OUT THERE AND WE PICKED, LET'S DO NEW COGENERATORS. WELL, AS INFLATION HIT, THOSE COGENERATORS GOT TWO OR THREE TIMES THE AMOUNT THAT WAS IN THE MASTER PLAN. SO WE TOLD OUR CONSULTANT, GO BACK, LOOK AT THE BUSINESS CASES FOR THESE THINGS. WELL, IT CHANGED EVERYTHING. IF YOU LOOK AT THE MIDDLE SLIDE, THAT'S CALLED A FLAIR. FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING WITH OUR EXTRA METHANE, BURNING IT OFF INTO THE ATMOSPHERE. WHAT WE CAN DO IN THE SELECTIVE ALTERNATIVE, TAKE THAT METHANE, CLEAN IT UP. YOU CAN SEE THE TOP PICTURE, THE MEMBRANES AND YOU COULD ACTUALLY PUT IT OUT INTO THE NATURAL GAS PIPELINE. THERE IS A BIG MARKET NOW. IF YOU USE IT FOR TRANSPORTATION, AS YOU PUT IT OUT THERE, YOU CAN SEE THAT LAST PICTURE AS AN EXAMPLE. IF YOU CAN GET WHAT IS CALLED A RNG CREDIT. ANY EQUIVALENT GALLON YOU PRODUCE OF DIESEL, YOU GET THIS RNG CREDIT AND YOU CAN SELL THAT ON THE OPEN MARKET. THE GOOD THING IS, GOOGLE OR OTHER ENTITIES WANT TO BE CARBON NEUTRAL, THEY BUY THOSE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE CARBON NEUTRAL. SO THERE IS A BIG MARKET FOR IT NOW. HERE IS WHERE WE ARE AT. THERE IS ONE MORE PROGRAM TO DO THE RENEWABLE NATURAL GAS PRODUCTS. AND IT IS THE IRS, BELIEVE IT OR NOT. THEY WANT TO GIVE YOU TAX CREDIT TOWARD YOUR CONSTRUCTION COST OF THESE DIGESTERS. FOR US, IT COULD BE $20 MILLION. IT'S LOOKING PROMISING. THERE ARE NEW REGULATIONS THAT COME OUT. THE WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT, WE'RE USED TO EPA GRANTS OR FEMA GRANTS, NOT USED TO IRS GRANTS. SO IT LOOKS PROMISING AND THE RULES ARE CURRENTLY BEING DEVELOPED SO WE'VE HIRED A TAX CONSULTANT TO HELP US OUT FOR THIS NEW PROGRAM. HOPEFULLY THAT WILL WORK OUT. IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS, WE CAN COME TO YOU GUYS TO MAKE RNG, RENEWABLE NATURAL GAS. NO QUESTIONS, I CAN TURN IT OVER TO RORY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL THE PRESENTAION FINISHED. HOW MANY PARTS ARE IN THIS WHOLE PRESENTATION? >> JUST A COUPLE OF SLIDES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU MIND IF WE HOLD QUESTIONS? IF IT'S JUST A COUPLE OF SLIDES. >> RORY JONES, WATER DEPARTMENT. SIMILAR TO THE WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT, OUR PIPES PROGRAM WAS BUILT OFF OF TWO MASTER PLAN EFFORTS AS WELL. DAVID L. TIPPIN WATER TREATMENT DISTRIBUTION MASTER PLAN. I DON'T HAVE ANY EXCITING NUMBERS FROM LAST SIX MONTHS. WE EXPECT THAT TO CHANGE IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS. YOU DID RECENTLY APPROVE A CHANGE ORDER ASSOCIATED WITH THE HIGH WATER PUMP STATION, WHICH THE REQUISITION HASN'T HIT YET. HASN'T SHOWN UP. BUT WE ARE BRINGING SOME ADDITIONAL WORK TO YOU. GMPs IN RAW WATER PUMP STATION, OZONE IMPROVEMENTS AND OTHER LARGE PIPELINE PROJECTS. ORIGINALLY 1.5 BILLION. WE HAVE EXPENDED ROUGHLY $466 MILLION OF THAT. THAT WAS SPREAD ACROSS FOUR DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. AND REALLY, WHAT'S TAKING THE HIT AT THIS MOMENT, NOW, WE HAVE KNOCKED OUT FROM OUR DISTRIBUTION MASTER PLAN, WE PRIORITIZE THE REPLACEMENTS BASED ON A TON OF DIFFERENT VARIABLES. PRESSURE, ACTUAL MAIN BREAK DATA, FLOW, THE LOCATION OF IT, EVEN WHERE THE GROUNDWATER TABLE IS. AGE, MATERIAL TYPE, A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO PRIORITIZE. WE'VE KNOCKED OFF THE TOP AND HIGHEST PRIORITIES OF ALL THE PIPELINE, NOT TO SAY WE AREN'T GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE BREAKS, BUT WE'VE GOTTEN THE WORST ONES WITH THE HIGHEST CONSEQUENCES OF FAILURE OUT OF THE WAY. AND WE'RE REALLY FOCUSED THE REMAINING BUDGET IS REALLY WHERE THE CONSEQUENCES OF FAILURE AND THE BIGGEST BANG FOR THE BUCK GO. AND THAT IS REALLY OUR TREATMENT PLANT WORK. THE WORK WE ARE DEFERRING IS REALLY OUR PIPELINE STUFF. WE ARE EXPLORING DIFFERENT WAYS TO MAKE OUR DOLLARS GO FURTHER. THAT'S WITH OUR CONSTRUCTION CREW. WE ARE EXPLORING PIPE BURSTING AND OTHER WAYS TO KEEP COSTS LOWER. BUT THAT'S REALLY WHERE OUR COSTS ARE -- WHERE WE'RE DEFERRING PROJECTS. AT THE CURRENT MOMENT, WE ARE ROUGHLY SEVEN YEARS BEHIND IN THE OVERALL PROGRAM ON THE PIPELINE SIDE. BUT WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT -- YOU KNOW, THESE RATES WILL STILL COME INTO PLAY AND WE'RE CONTINUING TO GET MORE AND MORE COMPETITIVE AND HOPE TO SEE THAT SWING BACK THE OTHER DIRECTION HERE IN A LITTLE BIT. WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF PROJECTS FOR YOU. OUR HIGH SERVICE PUMP STATION. THIS IS A CUTAWAY THAT SHOWS CLEAR WELLS, UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS THAT ACTUALLY HAVE GRASS OVER, IF YOU GO OUT TO THE SITE, BUT THIS IS A NEW MODERN FACILITY THAT WE ARE RELOCATING 8 DIFFERENT PUMPS THAT DATE BACK TO THE 1920s INTO THIS MODERN-DAY FACILITY THAT GIVES US A BUNCH OF REDUNDANCY AND RESILIENCY BUILT INTO IT. WE HAVE COMPLETED THE BUILDING. WE'RE WRAPPING UP VARIOUS PUNCH-LIST ITEMS OF THE BUILDING ITSELF, INCLUDING THE PLAQUE, WHICH ACKNOWLEDGES YOUR SUPPORT. AND WHEN WE OFFICIALLY PUSH THAT BUTTON OF CUTTING THE RIBBON ON THIS, WE'D LOVE TO HAVE YOU GUYS OUT THERE. TO WRAP THIS PROJECT UP, WE ARE DOING SOME ADDITIONAL REHAB OF UNDERGROUND TANKS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU WEREN'T ELECTED YET. >>GWEN HENDERSON: SAID ORLANDO GUDES. >> -- TECHNICALLY APPROVED AND YOU WILL BE ON THE NEXT ONES. I HEAR YOU. YOUR NAME WILL BE THERE AS WELL. SO TO WRAP THIS PROJECT -- AROUND REHABS OF THE STORAGE TANKS THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET IN THE DRY. THAT'S THE $4.5 MILLION CHANGE ORDER THAT YOU APPROVED. WE DIDN'T REALLY KNOW WHAT SORT OF CONDITIONS THOSE WERE IN. WHEN WE WALK AWAY FROM THIS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BUTTONED UP FACILITY THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN PROPERLY IN THE FUTURE. THE NEXT PROJECT I'M EXCITED ABOUT. ONE OF THE BIG MILESTONES THAT WE RECENTLY HIT WAS DECOMMISSIONING OUR GASEOUS CHLORINE AND COMMISSIONING ON-SITE -- WELL, WE'RE USING HYPOCHLORITE WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY BLEACH. THIS FACILITY YOU SEE HERE IN FRONT OF US IS WHERE OUR RAILCARS USED TO PULL IN. WE DID DECOMMISSION THAT. THIS IS WHERE OUR HYPOCHLORITE GENERATORS WILL GO. WE WILL GENERATE OUR OWN BLEACH ON-SITE, MAKE US LESS RELIANT ON MANUFACTURERS. AND SHIPPING. THIS HAS MADE OUR COMMUNITY SIGNIFICANTLY SAFER BY DECOMMISSIONING THOSE GASEOUS CHLORINE RAILCAR SYSTEMS. HAPPY ABOUT THAT. MAKING PROGRESS. RIGHT NOW WORKING ON BULK SYSTEMS AND OVER THE NEXT YEAR, WE WILL BE IMPLEMENTING THESE ON-SITE HYPOCHLORITE GENERATORS. WHAT'S COMING DOWN THE PIPELINE WE DO HAVE MASTER PLAN EFFORTS. WE WANT TO REVISIT OUR CONTRIBUTION MASTER PLAN. EVENTUALLY REVISIT THE DLT MASTER PLAN, MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE PROPERLY ALLOCATED OUR PIPELINES. MIDTOWN WASN'T NECESSARILY A THING THEN. WE NEED TO CONSTANTLY REFRESH AND SEE WHERE OUR MONEY IS BEST SPENT. I'M HOPING TO FIND OPPORTUNITIES THAT SHOW THAT PIPELINE. SOME OF THAT PIPELINE MAY NOT BE NECESSARY. WE DO HAVE, LIKE I SAID, THE OZONE -- OR IMPROVEMENTS COMING YOUR WAY. RAW WATER PUMP STATION IS COMING YOUR WAY. WE ARE ACTIVELY IN SIX INDEPENDENT REVIEW. I'M HOPING EARLY -- LATE THIS YEAR, EARLY NEXT YEAR, YOU'LL SEE THAT AMENDMENT FOR DESIGN SERVICES FOR SIX AND OFFICIALLY STILL KICK THAT ONE OFF. WITH THAT, I GUESS I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR QUESTIONS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE HOUSE YOU SHOWED ON LAST SLIDE IS QUESTIONS, SEMINOLE HEIGHTS. ONE OF A HANDFUL OF THE CRAFTSMAN BUNGALOWS THAT HAVE THE JAPANESE ARCHITECTURE. VERY FEW IN TAMPA BUT REALLY COOL FOR THOSE LITTLE DETAILS. COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE BOTH OF YOU. I DO WANT TO GO BACK A BIT TO THE SLUDGE CONVERSATION. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE READ, THE NEW YORK TIMES DID A PIECE MAYBE LAST WEEK ABOUT THE FUTURE OF SLUDGE AND HOW THEY ARE REALLY LOOKING AT SLUDGE AS IMPACTING THE FIELDS UPON WHERE IT'S PUT. SOME OF THOSE PLASTIC PARTICLES OR THINGS WE DON'T TAKE OUT THAT ARE GOING INTO COWS OR WHATEVER. I'M JUST CURIOUS THAT AS YOU GO FORWARD, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR OTHER THINGS TO DO WITH THAT SLUDGE IF THE EPA DECIDES THAT PUTTING IT ONTO FIELDS OR OTHER AGRICULTURAL USES CAN'T BE DONE ANYMORE? >> GOOD QUESTION. WHAT WE'VE DONE WON'T GO TO WASTE. WHAT YOU COULD DO, WE HAVE TO TREAT OUR SLUDGE ANYWAY. SO INSTEAD OF TAKING IT DIRECTLY AND DISPOSE OF IT IN RANCHES FOR LAND DISPOSAL, WE CAN MAKE PELLETS OF IT. BURN THEM. EVER AT HOME DEPOT AND BAGS OF -- THAT'S FROM ADVANCED WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS. WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING NOW. WE HAVE TO GO ANOTHER STEP TO TREAT IT FURTHER, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING NOW. >>LYNN HURTAK: I DON'T DOUBT THAT AT ALL. I WAS CURIOUS AFTER HAVING READ THAT, IT WAS IN THE BACK OF MY MIND OF WHAT COMES NEXT. AGAIN, APPRECIATE BOTH OF YOU. REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE THINGS YOU'RE DOING TO MAKE OUR CITY BETTER AND THANKS TO THE FOUR OF YOU WHO WERE ABLE TO VOTE FOR THIS PIPES PROGRAM. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I TOLD THE MAYOR, FOR THE LEGACY, FOR THE HISTORIC PROPORTION, THIS IS THE LARGEST INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT IN THE CITY OF TAMPA HISTORY BY FAR. IT'S A HUGE DEAL. COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: THE OTHER THING WE DID, WE CARVED TOILET TO TAP OUT OF IT. ANOTHER GOOD THING. IT WAS 3.2 BILLION AND TOOK OUT 300 MILLION WHICH TOOK TOILET TO TAP OUT. PROBABLY THE PUBLIC IS WONDERING ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU BOTH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU FOR WORKING SO CLOSELY WITH US AND CONSTITUENTS. RORY, YOU SHOWED THE NEW PROCESSORS. THE TERM WAS HIGH VOLUME OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. CAN EACH OF YOU EXPLAIN JUST TWO QUICK QUESTIONS? WHAT IMPROVEMENTS ARE WE MAKING? I THINK IN RORY'S PLANT, WATER IS GOING FASTER, HIGHER VOLUME. ARE WE BUILDING BIGGER CAPACITIES LIKE IN SLUDGE PONDS, ARE WE BUILDING, NOT JUST BUILDING THE SAME THING IN PLACE, BUILDING HIGHER CAPACITY FOR THE FUTURE OR WHAT IS THE STATUS? >> THAT'S EXACTLY IT. BUILDING MORE CAPACITY. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUMP OUT MORE. IT'S BUILDING MORE CAPACITY FOR US TO TREAT MORE. THE WAY IT'S SITUATED, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE -- WE HAVE REDUNDANCY BUILT IN. THE ABILITY TO TAKE PUMPS OUT AND SERVICE PUMPS. SO WE DO HAVE A HIGHER CAPACITY, BUT THE HIGHER CAPACITY IS SO WE CAN TAKE PUMPS OUT OF SERVICE AND PROPERLY MAINTAIN IT. THERE ARE TIMES OF THE YEAR WHERE WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE OUT EQUIPMENT OR ASSETS OUT OF SERVICE TO PROPERLY MAINTAIN. WE HAVE TO DO IT IN THE LIVE WITH WATER FLOWING THROUGH IT OR WE DON'T NECESSARILY MAINTAIN IT AS WE SHOULD. IT IS HIGHER CAPACITY, BUT GIVE US THE ABILITY TO MAINTAIN IT. >>BILL CARLSON: [INAUDIBLE] FASTER TOO, RIGHT? >> IT DOES, BUT WE STILL MAINTAIN OUTWARD PRESSURE OF 70 PSI COMING OUT OF THE PLANT. >> BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THE QUESTION IS NO. SO OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT IS RATED TO TREAT, ON AVERAGE, 96 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. I'VE BEEN HERE 33 YEARS, AND IT'S BEEN ANYWHERE, WE'VE SEEN 55 MILLION TO 60, AND WHY IS THAT? SEVERAL REASONS.@WATER IS A COM. PEOPLE ARE USING LESS GALLONS PER PERSON, PER DAY. SO IT'S DROPPING. AND THE OTHER THING IS, WE'RE FIXING THE HOLES IN OUR PIPES. WE HAVE ALL THESE GRAVITY PIPES, 1200 MILES THROUGH TOWN, ALL THIS PIPE LINING, AS YOU PUT THE NEW LINER IN THE PIPE, YOU HELP STOP THE GROUNDWATER GETTING INTO THE PIPE WHICH GOES TO THE PLANT WHICH WE HAVE TO TREAT. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, OVER THE LAST 33 YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE, FLOW TO THE PLANT HAS BEEN THE SAME. WE STILL HAVE A TON OF CAPACITY LEFT BETWEEN OUR 60 MILLION GALLONS A DAY WE'RE SEEING NOW AND THE 96. WE ARE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS WITH NEW PUMPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT WHEN WE REPLACE IT, WE GET MORE HIGHER EFFICIENCY EQUIPMENT. >>BILL CARLSON: SINCE OTHER PEOPLE TOLD JOKES, WE WON'T TURN INTO ANY AT TILAPIA PLANTS. REMEMBER IN ST. PETE, THEY PUT A TILAPIA INCUBATOR AND FOUND OUT THEY SHOULDN'T DO THAT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN I GET A MOTION TO LAUGH? HA HA. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT UP IS ITEM 78. ABBYE FEELEY, ACROSS FROM HILLSBOROUGH. >>LUIS VIERA: I SENT A MEMO OUT SAYING I NEEDED TO BE GONE BY A CERTAIN TIME, 35, 40 MINUTES FOR A COMMUNITY MEETING I HAVE. IF WE GET TO THAT TIME, I HAVE SOME MOTIONS I HAVE TO DO TODAY, IF I MAY. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HELLO, SIR. >>ERIC COTTON: AS YOU ALL KNOW, I'M USUALLY VERY BRIEF WHEN I'M UP HERE. ON JUNE 20, COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF, WE WERE AT A WORKSHOP, COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO COME UP WITH LANGUAGE, EVEN THOUGH WITH COUNCIL ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT THE LIVE LOCAL ACT DOES NOT REQUIRE, STRICTLY ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS, NO PUBLIC INPUT SO TO SPEAK, BUT COUNCIL THOUGHT IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE AWARE OF LIVE LOCAL PROJECTS COMING THROUGH. IN THE BACK OF YOUR MEMO THAT WAS ISSUED, THERE IS A SUGGESTED NOTICE LETTER. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET'S MAKE IT BIGGER. >>ERIC COTTON: BASICALLY IT'S STATING THAT, HAS APPLICATION NUMBER, WHICH AN LND START, BECAUSE IN ACCELA. PARCEL ADDRESS. THERE IS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT COMING THROUGH UNDER LIVE LOCAL. THIS IS NOTICE THAT THIS EVENT IS TAKING PLACE, BUT THERE IS NO PUBLIC INPUT, PER SE. NOT GOING TO BE A PUBLIC HEARING. THE PUBLIC CAN PARTICIPATE IN A SENSE BY BEING AWARE OF IT, BUT THERE IS NO PUBLIC HEARING. NO APPEAL TO CITY COUNCIL. STRICTLY ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS. IF YOU HAVE A COMPLAINT, YOU CAN GO REACH OUT TO YOUR STATE LEGISLATOR ABOUT THE LIVE LOCAL ACT ITSELF AND THE PREEMPTION BEING DONE TO LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. ALONG WITH THAT, COUNCIL ALSO WANTED A SIGN. WE DIDN'T PUT UP A SIGN BECAUSE THEY ARE EXPENSIVE JUST TO PRINT UP. BUT IF COUNCIL IS OKAY WITH THIS KIND OF LANGUAGE, THIS IS WHAT WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH. THEY WILL BE THE SAME SIZE AS REZONING SIGNS, YELLOW SIGNS. THE QR CODE WILL WORK JUST LIKE IT DOES ON THE REZONING, SCAN THEM, TAKE YOU TO THE MAP AND THEN TAKE YOU TO ACCELA. ANY QUESTIONS? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THIS MOTION WAS MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. DO YOU WANT TO KICK IT OFF OR COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK? >>LYNN HURTAK: COULD YOU PUT THAT SIGN BACK? I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THIS. I ESPECIALLY LOVE THE CLICK OR THE CONNECTION TO YOUR LEGISLATIVE REPRESENTATIVE BECAUSE THAT'S TRUE. THAT'S WHERE THEY CAN GO. SO I THINK THAT'S VERY CREATIVE AND I LIKE THAT. GREAT JOB, LEGAL. BUT ALSO, THIS IS GREAT. THE ONLY THING THAT CONCERNS ME IS THAT IT SAYS LIVE LOCAL, BUT THIS NOTICE DOES NOT CREATE OR RESULT IN A RIGHT TO PARTICIPATE IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS, WHICH DOES NOT REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING. MAYBE ADDING SCAN ME. I KNOW YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SCAN FOR MORE INFORMATION, BUT IT KIND OF LEAVES THE READER SORT OF QUESTIONING, WELL, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PUT LIKE FOR MORE INFORMATION, SCAN THE QR CODE. >>ERIC COTTON: LIKE OVER HERE. >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH. YOU WOULD NORMALLY THINK PEOPLE WITH GO TO THE SCAN BUT I THINK MAYBE ADDING THAT LANGUAGE BECAUSE IT JUST STOPS SO ABRUPTLY. NORMALLY IT GIVES CITY HALL'S ADDRESS AND LIKE WHAT YOU CA DO. >>ERIC COTTON: HAVE THE SCAN THING. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS A GREAT IDEA. MOVING THE SCAN ME. THAT'S PERFECT. >>ERIC COTTON: IT WILL LOOK MUCH NEATER THAN THAT, TOO. >>LYNN HURTAK: I LOVE IT. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK ABOUT ADDING THE WORD PREEMPTION TO THE TITLE? STATE LIVE LOCAL ACT PREEMPTION? AND/OR PUT IT IN THE SENTENCE BELOW. I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PREEMPTION ENOUGH, A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS UNDERSTAND IT, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE CLEAR THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY. >>GUIDO MANICALCO: THIS DEVELOPMENT IS DUE TO STATE PREEMPTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THIS NOTICE DOES NOT CREATE OR RESULT IN A -- [INAUDIBLE] >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >>BILL CARLSON: OR DUE TO A STATE LEGISLATIVE PREEMPTION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BLATANTLY SAYING YOU CAN'T PARTICIPATE, TOO BAD, BECAUSE THEY WILL YELL AT US. AT LEAST CLARIFY, DUE TO STATE PREEMPTION BY -- YOU KNOW, LEGISLATIVE STATE PREEMPTION. >>ABBYE FEELEY: IF I COULD MAKE ONE SUGGESTION, MS. POYNOR JUST RAISED TO ME. ALL OF THE SIGNS THAT WE JUST RE-DID COLLECTIVELY IN PARTNERSHIP ARE YELLOW. THEY DO LET YOU KNOW THAT THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING. SO MAYBE IN THIS CASE WE SHOULDN'T USE YELLOW. WE SHOULD USE SOMETHING ELSE SO THERE ISN'T THAT SAME ASSOCIATION WITH THE VARIANCES AND SPECIAL USES AND SOMETHING ELSE. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT COLORS ARE AVAILABLE? ALL OF THEM? >>ABBYE FEELEY: ALL OF OUR PUBLIC HEARING LAND DECISIONS ARE. >>ERIC COTTON: WE CAN MAKE THEM SLIME GREEN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT SHOULD BE THE OFFICIAL COLOR. >>LYNN HURTAK: HOW ABOUT WHATEVER IS CHEAPEST? >>ABBYE FEELEY: I DON'T THINK THE COST IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE COLOR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THEY'LL GET ATTENTION AND PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THEM AT NIGHT AND NOTICE THEM WHEN THEY DRIVE BY. YEAH. GOT TO THINK ABOUT THAT STUFF BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO GET -- SIGNS GET LOST AND FALL OVER, LIME GREEN AND NEON GREEN. YOU SEE THEM. >>ERIC COTTON: OKAY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>ERIC COTTON: YOU'RE WELCOME. >>ABBYE FEELEY: THE MEMO INDICATED THAT WE HAVE UPDATED THE LIVE LUCKILY MEMO THAT IS ON OUR WEBSITE. WE ALSO UPDATED THE WEBSITE TO NOW HAVE PROJECTS THAT RECEIVED APPROVAL ON IT, SO THOSE OTHER CHANGES THAT WE OWED YOU A STATUS ON WERE PROVIDED IN THAT MEMORANDUM. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ITEM 79, MR. VASKE, YES, SIR. >>JUSTIN VASKE: JUSTIN VASKE, LEGAL DEPARTMENT. ITEM 79. ON JUNE 27, 2024, CITY COUNCIL MADE THE FOLLOWING MOTION WHICH WAS THAT STAFF BE REQUESTED TO PREPARE A RESOLUTION TO SET CITY COUNCIL SALARY AT 75,190 BEGINNING ON OCTOBER 1, 2024, FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025 AND INCLUDE AN ANNUAL INCREASE BASED ON THE ATU NEGOTIATED INCREASE. FURTHER, THAT SAID SALARY ONLY BE SET FOR THE DURATION OF THE CURRENT ELECTION TERM. NOW, I PROVIDED CITY COUNCIL WITH A RESOLUTION THAT SETS THE ANNUAL SALARY OF EACH MEMBER OF THE CITY OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL TO 75,190 EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1, 2024. AND AUTHORIZES AN ANNUAL INCREASE IN SALARY BASED ON THE SAME ANNUAL INCREASE NEGOTIATED BY THE ATU BEGINNING ON OCTOBER 1 2025. THAT IS ALL. HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE ATU LANGUAGE THERE. I'M CONCERNED THAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE OR APPEAR OR BE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST SINCE WE AS A BODY VOTE TO APPROVE THOSE CONTRACTS OR VOTE ON THOSE CONTRACTS. AND IN LOOKING AT THAT, ISN'T THE STANDARD COST-OF-LIVING ADJUSTMENT NO MORE THAN 3%? >>JUSTIN VASKE: CURRENTLY THE STANDARD COST-OF-LIVING ADJUSTMENT FOR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS IS BASED ON THE MANAGERIAL CLASS EMPLOYEES WITH A CAP OF 3%. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY. WHY CAN'T WE USE THAT AND WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE TIED TO THE ATU? >>LYNN HURTAK: THE REASON I RECOMMENDED IT GO TO THE ATU IS BECAUSE OUR STAFF WAS ABLE TO GET A GIANT COST-OF-LIVING ADJUSTMENT IN THE LAST CONTRACT BECAUSE WE HAD SUCH GREAT INFLATION. SO WE PROVIDED FOR THEM TO HAVE THIS. AND THE ISSUE WAS -- THE ISSUE IS, RATHER, THAT IT IS SO LOW BECAUSE WE'RE STUCK WITH THAT 3%. WHEREAS IF WE'RE TYING IT TO ATU, AND MR. VASKE AND MS. ZELMAN BROUGHT THE SAME CONCERN TO ME. I DO BELIEVE WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT DURING THE WORKSHOP. WE HAVE A WORKSHOP COMING. BUT THE REASON I DECIDED TO TIE IT TO THIS, WE DON'T NEGOTIATE THE ATU CONTRACT. IN FACT, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO NEGOTIATE. AND THE REASON I CHOSE THE ATU CONTRACT BECAUSE THAT IS OUR EVERYDAY EMPLOYEE. WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE ANY MORE THAN OUR EVERYDAY EMPLOYEE GETS, BUT BECAUSE OF THE INFLATION WE JUST HAD, THAT FIRST RAISE WAS A 9% RAISE. THAT WOULD HAVE TAKEN US MULTIPLE YEARS, AND THAT'S THREE YEARS, BUT NOT THREE YEARS, BECAUSE THEY ARE GETTING THAT SAME. THAT IS WHY I DID IT. I BELIEVE WHATEVER THE GENERAL EMPLOYEE GETS, WE SHOULD BE FOLLOWING THEM. YES, I DO AGREE, BUT I THINK BY AND LARGE WE SUPPORT OUR EMPLOYEES. WE HAVEN'T ALWAYS HAD THE SAME AGREEMENT BETWEEN POLICE, FIRE, AND ATU, BUT THE LAST SEVERAL COUNCILS HAVE BEEN VERY STRONG WITH THAT. I BELIEVE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD GET THE SAME RATE THAT THEY GET. NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS. I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE GOING FORWARD BEING ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR OTHER EMPLOYEES THAT ARE NOT UNDER THIS RECEIVE THAT SAME CONSIDERATION. AND THAT'S THE REASON I DID IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I UNDERSTAND IT. ANOTHER THING IS, WE TALK ABOUT THIS SALARY. WE'RE AT 54 RIGHT NOW. OUR LEGISLATIVE AIDES, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ALL OF THEM, BUT SOME OF THEM FLOAT AROUND HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR. 95 96. HUNDRED. THIS IS PUBLIC RECORD SO I'M NOT DIVULGING INFORMATION. THE MAYOR IS FLOATING UNDER 200, LIKE 180 SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW IF I SAW CORRECTLY TODAY BUT THE CHIEF OF STAFF IS AT A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS. MAYBE I READ IT WRONG. PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT TALKED ABOUT BECAUSE THE MEDIA ISN'T -- WE DON'T GO INTO ALL THE SALARIES. JUST TO PUT IT INTO PERSPECTIVE, WHERE WE'RE AT AS A CITY COUNCIL. WHO ELSE HAD THEIR MIKE ON? COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON? ANYBODY ELSE? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE NEED TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT WAS YOUR ORIGINAL MOTION. >>LYNN HURTAK: TURN THAT MIKE ON. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, HURTAK. I KNOW YOUS WAS GOING TO TAKE THE ME ON THAT. WHAT NUMBER? 79? HERE IT IS. I WANT TO SAY I MOVE FILE CM 24-7880, RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE ANNUAL SALARY OF $75,190 FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1, 2024, AND AUTHORIZING A GENERAL FUND SALARY INCREASE EFFECTIVE ON OCTOBER 1, 2025, RESCINDING RESOLUTION NUMBER 98-1477 AND 2005-633, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN AND DISCUSSION. >>LUIS VIERA: I WANT TO EXPLAIN MY VOTE AGAIN ON THIS. I HAD DONE A MOTION SOME TIME AGO, MAYBE TWO, THREE MONTHS AGO TO HAVE A SALARY SIMILAR TO THIS TO TAKE PLACE AFTER 2027. MY POSITION ON THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN VERY CLEAR. I WANT TO READ, IF I MAY, 27th AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION HAS A VERY INTERESTING HISTORY. IT WAS PASSED. THE LAST AMENDMENT THAT WAS PASSED, ORIGINALLY WRITTEN BY AND SUPPORTED BY SOME OF OUR FOUNDING FATHERS, INCLUDING JAMES MADISON AND THEN IT WASN'T PASSED UNTIL I THINK '91, '92. IT SAYS NO LAW VARYING THE COMPENSATION FOR THE SERVICES AND REPRESENTATIVES SHALL TAKE EFFECTIVE AFTER ELECTION, REPRESENTATIVES INTERVENED. THEREFORE WHAT I'VE ALWAYS SAID IS THAT WE SHOULD -- I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ON THE TIMELINE BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S CONFUSION IN TERMS OF MY POSITION, IS TO SUPPORT A PAY RAISE, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, VOTE, HAVE AN ELECTION, THEN GET THE BENEFIT OF IT. OTHER THAN THE ONE I PROPOSED, WHICH AGAIN I THINK THAT TALKING ABOUT A HIGHER SALARY IS SOMETHING VERY REASONABLE, IF NOT NECESSARY, VERY NECESSARY, IN FACT. NO OTHER PROPOSAL HAS EVER HAD THAT, HAS EVER SAID THAT WE'RE GOING TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTION TO GET THE BENEFIT. AGAIN, TO BE CLEAR, YOU VOTE ON IT, YOU VOTE YES, YOU GO FORWARD. IT PASSES. IF IT PASSES, YOU HAVE AN ELECTION, THEN YOU GET THE BENEFIT OF IT. THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN MY POSITION IN THAT REGARD. AGAIN, THE CONVERSATION ON HAVING A HIGHER TAMPA CITY COUNCIL SALARY IS ONE THAT I SUPPORT. THAT'S WHY I DID THAT MOTION, TO HAVE US HAVE ABOUT 75, 76 THOUSAND DOLLAR SALARY WITH INFLATION ADJUSTMENTS FROM 24 TO 27 WHEN THAT WOULD TAKE EFFECT IN 2027 BECAUSE WE DO NEED A HIGHER TAMPA CITY COUNCIL SALARY. WHEN PEOPLE SAY THIS ISN'T ABOUT US, IT'S ABOUT NEXT COUNCIL, I TAKE THAT LITERALLY IN EVERYTHING. AGAIN, I KNOW I'M IN THE MINORITY OF THIS AND I RESPECT EVERYBODY'S OPINIONS BUT I WANTED TO EXPLAIN MY POSITION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE THING IS -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: THIS IS THE NEXT COUNCIL. YEAH, IT IS, ACTUALLY, BECAUSE YOU ALL TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE WHEN I WAS JUST SITTING AT HOME LISTENING, YOU ALL SAID THAT FOR THE NEXT ELECTION AND YOU DIDN'T DO IT. I DIDN'T SEE ANYONE MOVE THE MOTION FOR IT TO BE FOR THE ELECTION IN WHICH I PARTICIPATED IN. DID ANYONE DO THAT? >>LUIS VIERA: MAY I EXPLAIN? AGAIN, MY POSITION IS -- NO, NO. I THINK THERE'S CONFUSION HERE. YOU PASS IT. YOU DON'T GET THE BENEFIT OF IT UNTIL AFTER AN ELECTION.% THE ONES THAT I VOTED AGAINST WERE TO TAKE PLACE AND TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY WHICH IS WHY I VOTED AGAINST IT. I PROPOSED ONE THAT WOULD TAKE EFFECT AFTER THE ELECTION. '27. AGAIN, I RESPECT THAT. BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE MY POSITION IS PATTERNED AFTER WHAT THE 27th AMENDMENT SAYS FOR CONGRESS. PEOPLE DISAGREE. THAT'S COOL, MAN. NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'M GOOD. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND. LET'S DO A ROLL CALL VOTE. >>BILL CARLSON: NO. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: NO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON AND VIERA VOTING NO AND MIRANDA BEING ABSENT AT VOTE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACKNOWLEDGE ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY JUSTIN VASKE FOR HIS WORK ON THIS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>JUSTIN VASKE: YOU'RE WELCOME. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO TO NEW BUSINESS, INFORMATION REPORTS. COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR. WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT. I HAVE A COUPLE OF MOTIONS. FIRST I WANTED TO UPDATE EVERYBODY ON SOMETHING, THE RACIAL RECONCILIATION COMMITTEE. THIS ISN'T PART OF A MOTION, BUT WE ARE GETTING DATES. WE HAVE THE FACILITATOR. MY OFFICE, AGAIN, I REALLY WANT TO GIVE PUBLIC CREDIT TO MY FRIEND AND LEGISLATIVE AIDE WHO I CARE FOR SO MUCH AND THE HARD WORK SHE'S DONE. MR. SHELBY, WHO I ALSO CARE FOR A LOT AND THE HARD WORK HE'S DONE AND MANY OTHERS IN GETTING THIS DONE. WE'RE LOOKING AT HAVING OUR FIRST MEETING. WE'RE TALKING TO THE BOARD MEMBERS SPROOBLG IN LATE SEPTEMBER. IT HAS BEEN VERY DIFFICULT. WE'RE ALSO GETTING SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS AND EVERYTHING FOR DIFFERENT FIELDS. SO ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR IMPROVEMENT, ET CETERA, PLEASE LET US KNOW BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE THIS AS WONDERFUL AS POSSIBLE. I'VE GONE THROUGH THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE'VE GONE TO GO TO THE COMMUNITY AND TALK ABOUT THIS. I THINK THIS IS GREAT. COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON, SOME OF THE ISSUES YOU TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, I SEE THIS AS SOMETHING THAT CAN HELP US, GOD WILLING, MAKE PROGRESS ON THIS. SO WE'VE BEEN GLAD TO WORK ON THAT. FIRST, IF I MAY -- >>LYNN HURTAK: I DO HAVE A RECOMMENDATION. THIS IS SOMETHING I DO WITH EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT I NOMINATE AND APPOINT TO SOMETHING IS THAT I DO A MONTHLY MEETING WITH THEM. SO I RECOMMEND THAT THIS COUNCIL PARTICIPATE FULLY IN THAT PROCESS BY TALKING WITH THE PERSON THEY NOMINATED AND APPOINTED TO THE BOARD SO THAT -- WELL, SO THEY CAN'T COME BACK AND SAY, OH, WELL, WE DID THIS AND WE'RE UP HERE AND DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. THIS IS SO IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY AND WE OWE IT TO THE COMMUNITY TO BE ACTIVE PARTICIPANTS BY LISTENING TO OUR APPOINTEES AND SHARING THOUGHTS AND IDEAS WITH THEM, SO THAT THIS BECOMES A COHESIVE -- YEAH, SO WHEN THEY COME FORWARD WITH RESOLUTIONS AND MOTIONS, WE ARE READY AND ABLE TO MOVE THOSE FORWARD. >>LUIS VIERA: I AGREE, MA'AM. THANK YOU. I HAVE A FEW MOTIONS. FIRST OFF, ON CIT, I MOTION FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO REPORT TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL AND FOR TAMPA CITY COUNCIL TO REPORT TO THE PUBLIC ON WHAT WE ARE DOING TO SUPPORT PASSAGE OF THE CIT. I'M LOOKING AT EITHER SEPTEMBER 19 OR 2026. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT ORGANIZED EFFORTS THAT ARE BEING DONE. CIT IS SO PIVOTAL TO THE FUTURE OF OUR CITY. IT IS SO PIVOTAL AND WE ARE TWO MONTHS AWAY FROM THE ELECTION. AND WE REALLY NEED TO, ALL OF US WHO SUPPORT IT, I KNOW COUNCILMAN MIRANDA WHO IS NOT HERE INDICATED I BELIEVE THAT HE DOESN'T SUPPORT IT. THAT'S FINE. THOSE OF US THAT HAVE EXPRESSED SUPPORT THAT WERE OUT THERE TALKING, IT'S NOT JUST THE CITY. TALK TO OUR FRIENDS IN PLANT CITY, IT'S THE, EAST COUNTY -- TEMPLE TERRACE, EAST COUNTY, THAT'S WHAT I WANT US TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON WHAT WE'RE DOING TO PROMOTE THE CIT. IF WE DON'T PASS THIS, WE'RE IN A LOT OF HURT. >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M CONFUSED BECAUSE YOU SAID 2026. I'M CONFUSED. >>LUIS VIERA: DID I? SO SORRY. 24. THAT IT'S COMING UP IN 2024. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON. I WILL TELL EVERYBODY THIS, AND THIS IS WHAT I TELL PEOPLE. THIS IS MAKE OR BREAK. IF THE CIT DOESN'T PASS, I FEEL BAD FOR THE NEXT MAYOR AND THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL. WE TALK ABOUT BONDING NOW. WE TALK ABOUT A MILLAGE INCREASE LAST YEAR. THERE ARE A LOT OF NEEDS. THIS IS CRITICAL, AND IT'S A 15-YEAR RENEWAL OF WHAT IS EXISTING. IT NEEDS TO BE DONE. COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE INFORMATION PRESENTED. I WOULD CAUTION EVERYBODY ABOUT BEING TOO CLOSELY CONNECTED TO THIS AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL. I CAN GO BACK THROUGH THE DATA WITH YOU, BUT AT LEAST THREE OF THE FOUR CAMPAIGNS THAT HAVE BEEN RUN IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY LOST IN PART BECAUSE OF THEIR CLOSE CONNECTION WITH CERTAIN ELECTED OFFICIALS. WE WANT TO MAKE IT ABOUT THE COMMUNITY, NOT ABOUT ELECTED OFFICIALS. IT CAN'T BE, SOME PEOPLE SAY, OH, WELL, THE MAYOR NEEDS TO STAND UP OR THIS PERSON, THAT HAS WORKED AGAINST THESE IN THE PAST. THINK ABOUT IF YOU GOT 80% OF THE VOTE, STILL 20% OF THE PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T VOTE FOR YOU. SO WE NEED TO PROVIDE INFORMATION, SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY, BUT IF WE ARE TOO CLOSELY BRANDED WITH IT, IT COULD TURN A LOT OF PEOPLE OFF. I WOULD ENCOURAGE US ALL TO BE CAREFUL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN AND HENDERSON. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I KIND OF AGREE -- PUTTING MY POLITICAL HAT ON AND EXPERIENCE IN THESE THINGS. I THINK THE BEST CONTRIBUTION WE ALL CAN MAKE AS INDIVIDUALS AND PEOPLE INVESTED IN THE COMMUNICATION IS HELPING THE ORGANIZATIONS FIGHTING FOR THIS TO RAISE MONEY TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE. IF YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO REACH OUT AND HELP THEM RAISE MONEY TO BE ABLE TO DO IT, I THINK AS FAR AS MOVING THE INITIATIVE FORWARD, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY THE BEST TACT TO TAKE IS FUND-RAISING FOR COMMUNICATION. THOSE TOOLS AND OPPORTUNITIES. IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A STIGMA ATTACHING THE PERSONAL POLITICS AND STUFF TO AN ISSUE THAT TRANSCENDS POLITICS. WE ALL KNOW HOW IMPORTANT IT IS AND HOW HORRIBLE IT WILL BE FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA AND HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IF THIS DOES NOT PASS. BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO BE PERSONALLY EITHER WEIGH IN ON THAT OR NOT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: HOW MUCH MONEY IS THIS AGAIN? HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS? WHAT'S INTERESTING TO ME IT'S BEEN EXISTING FOR, WHAT, ALMOST 30 YEARS. THE PART THAT BOTHERS ME ABOUT IT IS THE FACT WE SHOULD NOT HAVE A SUCCESSION PLAN TO TALK ABOUT GETTING OFF OF IT. IT'S GOING TO BE ENDING. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? NOW THAT HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS IS ASKING FOR A MILLAGE INCREASE TO PAY TEACHERS, THIS IS A STRUGGLE FOR ME AS A COUNCIL MEMBER KNOWING THAT OUR TEACHERS ARE UNDERPAID, WE OPENED THE SCHOOL YEAR. THERE ARE A THOUSAND TEACHERS THAT ARE NEEDED. AND EVERY SURROUNDING COUNTY IS PAYING THEIR TEACHERS A LOT HIGHER. IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO BE IN THIS POSITION WHERE I HEAR COUNCIL MEMBERS GOING, OH, WE REALLY NEED IT OR IT'S GOING TO BREAK US. THAT MAKES ME FEEL BAD BUT TEACHERS ALSO NEED TO BE PAID. AND THAT DOES NOT MAKE ME FEEL BAD BECAUSE THEY ARE UNDERPAID. THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY ABOUT IT. I UNDERSTAND WHY WE NEED THE MONEY. I REALLY DO. I JUST HATE THAT WE ARE IN THIS POSITION. TO HAVE TO VOTE ON TWO THINGS ASKING THE PUBLIC TO SUPPORT US TO KEEP US GOING. >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK YOU RAISE A FABULOUS POINT. ALWAYS SUPPORT TEACHERS. PERSONALLY, I WILL VOTE FOR BOTH OF THE MEASURES BECAUSE I SEE WHAT TAX DOLLARS DO. I SEE CLEARLY WHAT MY TAX DOLLARS DO. I'M ALWAYS HAPPY TO SUPPORT EDUCATION AS A FORMER EDUCATOR% MYSELF AND BECAUSE IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE THAT THIS EDUCATION CAMPAIGN FOR THE RENEWAL OF THE CIT NEEDS TO DO, THIS IS NOT CHANGING. THE ONLY REAL THING ON THE BALLOT IS THE INCREASE FOR TEACHERS. THE OTHER ONE IS JUST MAINTAINING. I DO HOPE THAT WHEN THIS COMES BEFORE US, THAT WE HEAR SOME OF THE STRATEGIES WE'RE DOING, BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN BOTH THINGS TREMENDOUSLY, AND I BELIEVE THE PUBLIC DOES TOO. IF THE PUBLIC JUST KNOWS WELL, NO CIT, NO EXTRA FIREFIGHTERS OR POLICE OFFICERS OR ALL THESE THINGS THAT WE NEED FOR OUR COMMUNITY, IT'S A DIFFERENT STORY. I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING HOW THE PLAN IS COMING FORWARD FOR BOTH. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I'M SO GLAD YOU SAID THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: ABSOLUTELY. >>GWEN HENDERSON: [MICROPHONE NOT ON] >>LYNN HURTAK: I BELIEVE IN BOTH STRONGLY AND I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM WITH SUPPORTING OUR EDUCATORS AND SUPPORTING OUR FUTURE. AS DOES SUPPORTING OUR TRANSIT AND PUBLIC SAFETY NEEDS THAT WE GET FROM THIS. PUBLIC SAFETY. PUBLIC SAFETY. >>BILL CARLSON: A COUPLE OF THINGS. BEING AROUND ALL THESE FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS, I THINK THE REASON IT DIDN'T COME UP UNTIL NOW IS BECAUSE OF ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION. IF IT HAD PASSED THE FIRST TIME, THIS PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN @BS AGO. BECAUSE THEY MADE A SECOND GO ON IT, IT DELAYED IT. BUT WE STILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, NOT VERY MUCH. HOPEFULLY IT WILL JUST PASS. BUT THE OTHER THING IS I KNOW YOU ALL KNOW THIS, BUT THE CITY CANNOT USE TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO SAY VOTE YES. ALL THEY CAN DO IS EDUCATE. I'VE NEVER BEEN AN ELECTED OFFICIAL ON ONE OF THESE BEFORE. MARTY, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO USE OUR CITY E-MAILS OR RESOURCES AT ALL TO SAY YES, BUT WE PRIVATELY IN A -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU MADE A MOTION. >>LUIS VIERA: ONE THING I WAS GOING TO SAY, TOO, THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON MENTIONED USING US INDIVIDUALLY, I WOULD ALSO ENCOURAGE BECAUSE WE'RE ALL REGISTERED TO A PARTICULAR POLITICAL PARTY FOR US TO ALSO WORK PUBLICLY WITH PEOPLE REGISTERED TO THE OTHER REGISTERED POLITICAL PARTY BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE TO HEAR FROM BOTH SIDES. IT'S NOT A DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN ISSUE. I'M DOING THAT.COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON, I SUPPORT BOTH, FOR THE RECORD. I'M GLAD TO DO EVERYTHING I CAN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BEING LOGICAL ABOUT REACHING ACROSS THE AISLES. WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK, CORRECT? CARLSON. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. >>LUIS VIERA: CAN WE DO SEPTEMBER 19? >>MARTIN SHELBY: [INAUDIBLE] >>GWEN HENDERSON: [INAUDIBLE] >>LUIS VIERA: ALL GOOD. >>MARTIN SHELBY: [INAUDIBLE] >>LUIS VIERA: A VERBAL REPORT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? >>LUIS VIERA: I HAVE A COUPLE MORE. I WAS REQUESTED BY ADVOCATES WITH PEPIN ACADEMIES WHO WERE HERE, A REQUEST MOBILITY DEPARTMENT TO WORK WITH FORMER TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT OFFICER LISA BUNT. SOME OF US MAY REMEMBER HER. WONDERFUL WOMAN. PEPIN ACADEMIES AND RELEVANT JURISDICTIONS ON ESTABLISHING A SCHOOL ZONE IN FRONT OF PEPIN ACADEMIES AS WELL AS PAINTING AND POSTING SIGNS THAT SAY DO NOT BLOCK INTERSECTION ALONG 40th STREET AND THAT STAFF REPORT BACK ON THESE REQUESTS AT DECEMBER 19. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF REQUESTS FROM FOLKS AT PEPINS, PARENTS RAISING KIDS WITH SPECIAL NEEDS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOW DO THEY NOT HAVE A SCHOOL ZONE ALREADY? >>LYNN HURTAK: THE TRAFFIC THERE IS UNREAL. >>LUIS VIERA: I KNOW. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? >>LUIS VIERA: YOU ALL MAY HAVE HEARD THAT TRINITY CAFE ON BUSCH BOULEVARD APPEARS TO BE CLOSING, WHICH IS AWFUL. THERE ARE A LOT OF CONCERNS ON THAT. I WANTED STAFF TO REPORT ON WHAT CITY STAFF IS DOING FOR A NUMBER OF ISSUES, BUT I'LL HIGHLIGHT TWO OF THEM, WHICH IS NUMBER ONE AND SULING JUST FOR PURPOSES OF SUMMARY, FOR THE WELL-BEING OF CLIENTS AND THEN NUMBER TWO, FOR MOBILITY AND CLIENTS AND WALKING ON BUSCH BOULEVARD TO GO TO OTHER SITES FOR FEEDING. I WANT THAT TO BE -- I DIDN'T PUT A DATE. THAT'S FUNNY. SORRY COUNCIL. LET'S SAY JANUARY 9. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER. >>LUIS VIERA: VIERA ACTUALLY, WE SHOULD DO THAT SOONER. >> WHEN DO THEY CLOSE? >>LUIS VIERA: DECEMBER 5th I THINK. >>LYNN HURTAK: ARE YOU ASKING JUST OUR STAFF OR ARE YOU ALSO ASKING FEEDING TAMPA BAY TO COME AND TALK ABOUT WHAT THEIR STRATEGIES ARE? >>LUIS VIERA: I WANT TO ASK THEM BEFORE I MOTION FOR THAT. I PROBABLY WILL AMEND IT. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WAS THINKING I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN -- >>LUIS VIERA: I WANT TO PLANT THE SEED AND THEN REACH OUT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM% COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? >>LUIS VIERA: AND THEN I ALSO MENTION THE REPORT TODAY FROM TAMPA FIRE RESCUE ON THE STATION 24 FLEET MAINTENANCE REAL ESTATE, K-BAR RANCH AND DOWNTOWN TAMPA, I WANT TO HAVE AN UPDATED REPORT ON THAT. GOSH, WHERE DID I WRITE THIS DOWN? I'M SORRY. FEBRUARY 6 OF 2025. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WOW. WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? >>LUIS VIERA: I THINK THAT'S IT. I WORKED ON A BUNCH OF STUFF. THANK YOU, COUNCIL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON. DO YOU HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS, MA'AM? >>GWEN HENDERSON: NO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. CHAIRMAN ANYTHING? NO. COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I MOTION TO INSTRUCT STAFF TO DRAFT AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD REQUIRE FAIR MARKET APPRAISAL BE COMPLETED OF ANY PROPERTY PROPOSED TO BE SOLD OR TRANSFERRED. THAT ORDINANCE SHOULD BE INCLUDED -- ORDINANCE SHOULD ALSO INCLUDE THAT THE APPRAISAL BE PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL PRIOR TO THE VOTE TO SELL OR TRANSFER OF THE PROPERTY. I WOULD LIKE THAT BY NOVEMBER 21st AND SOME BACKGROUND. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IN PREVIOUS COUNCIL, LISA MONTELIONE WHO USED TO SERVE ON THE COUNCIL, HAD THIS AS A MOTION OR INSTRUCTION BUT IT GOT LOST IN THE FORGOTTEN WORLD. SO THEY USED TO DO THIS. THAT'S WHY I'M PUTTING IT FORWARD AS AN ORDINANCE SO IT'S INSTITUTIONALIZED AND STAYS FOREVER. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A SECOND. FOR THE RECORD, LISA MONTELIONE WAS THE HARDEST WORKING CITY COUNCIL MEMBER I'VE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE. SHE'S FROM UP NORTH. WE HAVE VERY HARDWORKING CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS BUT MONTELIONE WAS FANTASTIC. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANYTHING ELSE? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT'S IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. I TALKED ABOUT THIS AT A PRIOR MEETING, BUT IT WAS NOT TALKED ABOUT IN THE BUDGET WORKSHOP ON TUESDAY BECAUSE I DIDN'T MAKE A MOTION. SO I MOVE TO HAVE STAFF PREPARE A GRAPHIC AND PRESENT IT AT THE SEPTEMBER 17 FINAL BUDGET HEARING THAT SHOWS DATA ON ALL POSITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN VACANT FOR SIX MONTHS OR GREATER, INCLUDING TPD AND TFR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANYTHING ELSE? >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. THE MOTION THAT I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER TO AMEND THE FINANCIAL TRANSACTION, THAT WAS AUGUST 8 MOTION. I WANT TO AMEND IT TO SAY A LIST OF FINANCIAL TRANSACTIONS THAT WILL REDUCE THE FUND BALANCE FOR FY '24. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? YES MA'AM. >>LYNN HURTAK: ONE MORE. THESE ARE TWO CLARIFYING MOTIONS THAT WERE MADE. I MOVE TO HAVE THE NOVEMBER 21st IN-PERSON REPORT BY REVENUE AND FINANCE INCLUDE A LOOK AT ALL REVENUE SOURCES AND A GRAPHIC THAT SHOWS WHAT WENT UP AND WENT DOWN AND BY HOW MUCH IN FY '24. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION. >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS IS STILL ATTACHED TO THAT NOVEMBER 21. THIS CLARIFIES THE LANGUAGE A LITTLE BIT MORE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANYTHING ELSE? COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON? >>BILL CARLSON: ON THE SEPTEMBER 26 WORKSHOP, WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE INDIAN ROCKS BEACH REGULATIONS PERTAINING TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS. HUGE ISSUE IN TAMPA. LEGAL INFORMED ME THAT THERE'S LITIGATION REGARDING THAT. SO I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT ITEM TO THE APRIL 24 WORKSHOP. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? >>BILL CARLSON: ALSO, LAST WEEK DURING NEW BUSINESS, A MOTION WAS MADE DURING THE BUDGET HEARING, I GUESS THAT WAS TUESDAY, AND A MOTION WAS MADE IN NEW BUSINESS ABOUT THE ART SPACE. I ABSTAINED TO AVOID THE APPEARANCE OF ANY POTENTIAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION ON FURTHER CONSULTATION WITH MARTY, I DON'T HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. IT IS A NONPROFIT BOARD. I DON'T HAVE ANY BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP WITH IT AND I DON'T PROFIT FROM IT. I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE FORM 8 B. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANYTHING ELSE? CAN I GET A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE? MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON. SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. WE ARE ADJOURNED. [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]