[ INAUDIBLE ]. >>COUN. DAVIS: LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF YOU'RE IN THE CHAMBERS WE ASK YOU TO TAKE YOUR SEAT AND WE'LL GET STARTED IN JUST A MINUTE. WE'RE GETTING OUR TECH ONLINE. GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO THE 25th MEETING OF THE 25th COUNCIL WE'LL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. ALL COUNCILORS ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING WITH COUNCILOR LEWIS AND COUNCILOR BENTON WILL BE JOINING US BY ZOOM. MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. >>COUN. GROUT: A MOMENT OF SILENCE AND WE'LL HAVE A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE BY COUNCILOR JONES AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IN SPANISH BY COUNCILOR BASSAN. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >>COUN. GROUT: CIVIC MRUZA PARKING PASSERIZE PROVIDED FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. YOU CAN OBTAIN ONE FROM COUNCIL STAFF NEAR THE ENTRANCE. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CITY STAFF AND THE MEAD JUTHE ABILITY TO VIEW THIS IN PERSON AND THROUGH LIVE STREAMS THROUGH FOUR DIFFERENT PLATFORMS. GOVTV ON COMCAST 16. GOVTV WEBSITE, ZOOM AND YOUTUBE. LIVE STREAMS CAN BE ACCESSED THROUGH MOST SMART PHONE AND COMPUTERS. THIS MEETING IS CLOSED CAPTIONED AND YOU MAY ENABLE THE SERVICES ON YOUR TELEVISION OR DEVICE AT THIS TIME. THE VIDEO RECORDING OF THIS AND ALL PAST COUNCIL MEETINGS WILL REMAIN AVAILABLE FOR VIEWING AT ANY TIME ON THE COUNCIL WEBSITE. COUNCIL STAFF IS AVAILABLE VIA TELEPHONE IF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC NEED ASSISTANCE FINDING THE VID YOEZ ONLINE. CALL 505-768-3100 FOR ASSISTANCE DURING BUSINESS HOURS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY 8 TO 5 P.M. THE COUNCIL WILL TAKE A BREAK AT APPROXIMATELY 7 P.M. IF NEEDED. WITH REGARD TO DECORUM IN THE CHAMBERS WE WANT TONIGHT'S PROCEEDINGS TO BE AS CIVIL AND RESPECTFUL AS POSSIBLE. PLEASE DO NOT MAKE ANY PERSONAL ATTACKS AND NO APPLAUSE OR OTHER OUTBURSTS DURING THE MEETING. THE MEETING WILL GO LOT SMOOTHER IF WE'RE ABLE TO RESPECT ONE ANOTHER. WE HAVE PROCLAMATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS. WE HAVE A PRESENTATION REGARDING CATALYTIC CONVERTER THEFT. RICHARD LUCERO, ANN CHAVEZ, THE RECYCLED METAL PROSECUTOR WITH THE REGULATION AND LICENSING DIVISION WILL PRESENT. >> IS THAT BETTER? AS SAID, I'M WITH THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. AS I WAS ASKED TO GIVE A PRESENTATION REGARDING CATALYTIC CONVERTERS, WITHIN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN. GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THE CATALYTICS CONVERTERS HAVE HAD AN INCREASE OF THEFT. SPECIFICALLY FOR THE CATALYTICS CONVERTERS IT'S NOT ONLY CAUSING AN ISSUE FOR CITIZENS BUT WHERE WE'RE GETTING INUNDATED WITH MULTIPLE REPORTS AND INCAPABLE OF FOLLOWING UP ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS. FLIP TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THE CATALYTIC CONVERTER, WHAT IS MAKING THEM A TARGETED THING IS THE PRECIOUS METALS. THE METALS PRESENT ARE GOING TO BE PLATINUM, AND RHODIUM. THEY CAN VARY, IT'S LIKE THE MARKET. THE VALUES OF THE METALS HAVE A TENDENCY TO FLOCKTUATE IN VALUE. BASED OFF THE JD -- I'M SORRY. SO RIGHT NOW PLATINUM BASED ON THE VALUES OF CURRENT MARKET PER OUNCE IS AROUND $1130 FOR PLATINUM. FOR PALLADIUM THEY'RE AROUND $2332. AND RHODIUM CAN GO FROM $10,000 TO $21,000. WITH THAT BEING SAID PER OUNCE, EACH INDIVIDUAL CONVERTER CONTAINS THREE OUNCES OF EACH METAL. FOR THE THEFT WHEN IT DOES OCCUR, IF YOU AVERAGE THAT OUT PER CATALYTIC CONVERTER, PER GRAM, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ANYWHERE FROM NINE TO TEN CONVERTERS PER DAY. THEY CAN MAKE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY WITH THOSE SPECIFIC METALS BEING EX-TRACKED -- TAKEN OUT. THE FORD F SERIES PICK UP TRUCKS ARE VERY COMMONLY STOLEN AND THE HONDA ACCORD AND TOYOTA PRIUS. THE CHEVY EQUINOX. AND ON OUR LISTINGS WITHIN ALBUQUERQUE THE TOYOTA WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER TARGETED VEHICLE BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF PRECIOUS METALS WITHIN THE VEHICLES. FLIP TO THE NEXT SLIDE. IN ALBUQUERQUE, THE HIGHEST TARGETED VEHICLE IS A PRIUS. THEY'RE A HYBRID VEHICLE. THEY'RE TARGETED BECAUSE OF THE METALS IN THERE IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER. THEY'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE A HIGHER EMISSIONS RATING. THEY HAVE TO USE PRECIOUS METALS IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THAT. PRIUS IS ON OUR LIST IN ALBUQUERQUE. AND THE HONDA CRV. AND FORD 250, 350. TOYOTA FORERUNNER. I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS UP THERE. TOYOTA IS A TARGETED ITEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE CONVERTER FOR THE EMISSIONS. BASED OFF OF REPORTING THROUGH APD REAL TIME CRIME CENTER THEY HAD REPORTS THAT WAS FOR 2022 AND DOESN'T INCLUDE 2023. AND THE COMPLAINTS IS 1229 REPORTS. AND NUMBER OF CONVERTERS IS 1,260. THE MAJOR THING WITH THIS IS THE REPORTS ARE ACTUALLY REPORTED. THERE'S A LOT THAT ARE NOT REPORTED AND IT'S EASIER TO FILE THE INSURANCE CLAIM AND PAY A $250 DEDUCTIBLE. VERSUS TRYING TO GO THROUGH EXPENSIVE PROCESS OF GETTING THE ITEMS REPAIRED. COST BREAK DOWN, THE VEHICLES AND VICTIMS ARE HAVING TO REPAIR THE ITEMS ON THEIR OWN OR GOING THROUGH INSURANCE. DEPENDING ON INSURANCE, SOME INSURANCE COMPANIES AND CUSTOMERS CAN PAY UP TO $500 ON DEDUCTIBLE. AND REPAIRS ON THE CONVERTERS CAN RANGE FROM $900 TO $3500. SOME PEOPLE FIND IT EASIER TO GO AFTER MARKET AND ACTUALLY MAKE THOSE EXPENSES ON THEIR OWN VERSUS PAYING INSURANCE. ON THE FLIP SIDE IS THE PERSON THAT STILL STEALS IS NOT MAKING THE MAJORITY OF THE MONEY. THEY'RE A -- I DON'T WANT TO SAY A THIEF, BUT THEY'RE STEEL STEALING ITEMS AND GETTING A KICKBACK. MORE OFTEN THAN NOT IT'S JUST TO FEED A HABIT. THERE'S A MIDDLE MAN. SOMEBODY ELSE IS MAKING SIGNIFICANT PROFIT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE FINDING OUT WHO THAT IS AND REGULATING IT. GO TO THE NEXT ONE. TRENDS FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE, WE'RE TRYING TO FIND OUT IF IT'S HAPPENING MORE ON ONE DAY MAYBE OVER THE WEEKEND. IT'S HARD TO TRACK THAT BECAUSE MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, FAMILIES AT HOME HAVE MULTIPLE VEHICLES SOMETIMES THEY PARK IT ON THE DRIVE WAY AND TAKE THE VEHICLE THROUGH THE WEEK. WHEN IT COMES MONDAY THEY LEAVE FOR WORK AND THEY START THEIR VEHICLE AND IT SOUNDS LIKE A MODIFIED TRUCK OR EXHAUST. IT'S SUPER LOUD AND THAT WASN'T THERE DURING THE WEEKEND. IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD TO SEE IF IT'S HAPPENING ONE DAY OR THE OTHER. WHAT WE SEE IS THEY HAPPEN MOST COMMONLY THROUGH THE NIGHTTIME. WITH THAT, WE ALSO SEE IT OCCURS IN POPULATED AREAS LIKE MALLS. AND PARKING STRUCTURES ESPECIALLY WHEN PEOPLE ARE AT WORK. THEY'RE VERY EASY TO REMOVE FROM A VEHICLE. ESPECIALLY WITH THE METHOD THEY'RE USING WHICH IS A SAW OR CUT OFF TOOL THAT CUTS THROUGH THE METAL QUICKLY. WE SEE IT WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN STOLEN WITHIN SECONDS. IT'S A VERY QUICK PROCESS. THAT'S THE TREND WE'RE SEEING. YOU CAN FLIP TO THE NEXT. PREVENTION, IT'S SOMETHING WE DID SEE WAS VERY DIFFICULT IN RECOGNIZING WHAT POTENTIAL CONVERTER BELONGS TO CERTAIN VEHICLE IS SERIALIZING THEM. WHEN I SAY THAT THE AVERAGE RESIDENT CAN GO OUT AND ETCH A NUMBER AND UTILIZING THAT AS AN IDENTIFICATION FEATURE. IF IT MAKES TO A RECYCLING COMPANY WE CAN IDENTIFY IT. THERE ARE OTHER WAYS OF SERIALIZING IT. YOU CAN PUT CERTAIN COLORS. SPRAY PAINTING IT. MAKING IT UNIQUE TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THAT. THAT'S THE BIG THING FOR PROSECUTION TO IDENTIFY WHAT TYPE OF VEHICLE AND THE VICTIM IT BELONGS TO. AND THE TRACKING DEVICES YOU CAN GET. THEY VARY DEPENDING ON THE QUALITY. YOU CAN RANGE FROM $50 UP TO A THOUSAND DOLLARS DEPENDING ON WHAT QUALITY YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. ANY QUESTIONS? >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW, MORE OR LESS, THE AVERAGE COST. DWRN -- I KNOW YOU GAVE ME BETWEEN $500 AND WHAT DID YOU SAY? >> ABOUT $900 TO $3500. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: ON AVERAGE WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING COSTING AROUND $1800. >> EASILY AND SOME VEHICLES HAVE MULTIPLE CONVERTERS SO THE LARGER TRUCKS HAVE DUAL CATALYTIC CONVERTERS AND THOSE REPAIRS CAN POTENTIALLY DOUBLE THAT. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YOU MENTIONED INSURANCE IN REFERENCE TO THEM BEING PAID FOR BY DEDUCTIBLE. I'M AN INSURANCE GUY, THE THING THAT WORRIES ME THE MOST IS THAT WHEN YOU GET AN ELDERLY PERSON ON A FIXED INCOME, AND THE ELDERLY ARE THE LARGEST SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION, YOU'RE DEALING WITH AN INDIVIDUAL WHO ACTUALLY IS GOING TO DISH OUT A THOUSAND DOLLAR DEDUCTIBLE AND YOU HAVE THE OTHER SEGMENT OF THE ELDERLY THAT ONLY AFFORD LIABILITY ON THEIR ORALED DEEGS -- IT'S A VERY BIG PROBLEM TO THE ELDERLY COMMUNITY. I SEE IT RIGHT NOW, BEING AN INSURANCE PERSON. TWO ISSUES IF THE DEDUCTIBLE IS CLOSE TO A THOUSAND DOLLARS THEY'RE HAVING A HARD TIME COMING UP WITH IT. IF YOU ONLY HAVE LIABILITY AND UNINSURED MOTORst AND YOU GET IT CUT OFF YOU HAVE TO COME OUT OF POCKET. CLOSE TO OVER $2,000. SO, THAT'S THE COMMENT THAT I HAD. I JUST WANTED TO THANK COUNCILOR GROUT FOR BRINGING THIS BILL TO LIGHT. IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. ESPECIALLY FOR THE LARGEST SEGMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY, THAT'S THE ELDERLY. THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. SHOULD I ASK QUESTIONS? I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO WAIT UNTIL LATER TO ASK OVERALL QUESTIONS. RIGHT? >>COUN. GROUT: YUP. >>COUN. BASSAN: I'LL WAIT. THANK YOU. ALTHOUGH YOU MAY COME BACK. I DON'T KNOW. >>COUN. GROUT: WILL YOU REMAIN UNTIL WE GO THROUGH THE -- >> YES, MA'AM. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL, AS STATED I'M METAL PROSECUTEWER THE STATE REGULATION AND PROCESSING DEPARTMENT. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE PROPOSED CATALYTIC CONVERTER ORDINANCE. WITH NUMBERS SUCH AS AN INCRES OF INSURANCE CLAIM OF 1,298 IN 2018, THIS IS FROM THE NATIONAL INSURANCE BUREAU. THAT FIGURE MATCHES THE REPORT THAT WAS MADE IN ALBUQUERQUE JUST IN THE LAST YEAR. IT WAS REALLY GREAT INFORMATION. TO 14,443 IN 2022. AND WITH WHAT WE KNOW BECAUSE WE'VE STUDIED AND BECAUSE WE'VE EXPERIENCED IT, AND FROM THE PAINFUL STORIES WE CONTINUALLY HEAR FROM OUR VICTIMS, I KNOW I DO NOT HAVE TO CONVINCE YOU WE HAVE A PROBLEM. I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS FROM THE VANTAGE POINT OF ENFORCING THE RECYCLED METALS ACT WHICH REGULATES THE PURCHASE BY SCRAP YARDS OF REGULATED AND RESTRICTED MATERIAL WHICH INCLUDES CATALYTIC CONVERTERS. WE NEED ALL OF THE TOOLS WE CAN MUSTER TO PUSH BACK THE SCOURGE OF THE ANGUISH THAT AFFECTS US ALL TOO. IN THE BEGINNING THAT IS ABOUT 12 YEARS AGO, STATES BEGAN TO CITE COPPER THEFT. NOW ALL STATES HAVE SOME REGULATION OF REGULATED MODELS. I'VE ADMINISTERED PROSECUTION SINCE 2006 AND IT'S MADE A DIFFERENCE. SINCE 2021 CITIES HAVE BEGAN TO PROPOSE AND PASS THEIR OWN LAWS TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM WITH CATALYTIC CONVERTER THEFT AND ALSO PROVIDE ETCHING AND ETCHING EVENTS AS A PUBLIC SERVICE IN SUPPORT OF THOSE ORDINANCES. MANY COMMUNITIES ARE IN CALIFORNIA, NOT THAT WE NECESSARILY WANT TO DO SOMETHING BECAUSE CALIFORNIA DOES IT, BUT IT DOES GET USED IN BAKERSFIELD WHICH IS THE AUTOTHEFT CAPITAL OF THE WORLD. WE'RE ALSO IN GOOD COMPANY IF THIS ORDINANCE PASSES AS OTHER CITIES OUTSIDE OF CALIFORNIA HAVE PROPOSED AND PASSED THEIR OWN INCLUDING MINNEAPOLIS, OMAHA, AND LAS VEGAS. THE KEY STRENGTH OF THIS PROPOSAL IS THE REQUIREMENT FOR DOCUMENTATION OF THE SOURCE VEHICLE FOR THE CATALYTIC CONVERTER WHICH A THIEF WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ASK A VALID OWNER CAN PROVIDE. ALONG WITH SECURING THE IMAGE OF THE SELLER'S ID SO THEY MAY NOT RELY ON IDENTIFICATION THAT IS OUTDATED. ESPECIALLY THE DOCUMENTATION REQUIREMENT WITH ITS DATA FOR THE VEHICLE THAT WAS THE CATALYTIC CONVERTER IS REMOVED. THAT WILL PLACE A STRONG BARRIER BETWEEN THE THIEF AND THE ABILITY TO SELL THE CONTRABAND. WE SUPPORT THE PROPOSAL BECAUSE WE BELIEVE WE MUST WORK TOORBTH TO REDUCE THE THEFT AND THIS ORDINANCE WITH THE SUBSTANTIAL REACH AND TOWARD STATE LAW. FINALLY, LOOKING AT SECTION B AT THE PENALTY SECTION ALLOWING THE CITY TO PURSUE PENALTIES PERMITTED UNDER THE STATE LAW WE'RE READY AS ALWAYS TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY TO PROSECUTE THOSE AS NECESSARY TO BRING LIFE INTO THE LAW. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. CAN YOU GIVE US A BRIEF UPDATE WITH THIS SYSTEM? I KNOW IT'S PART OF MY UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE OF THE INTERNET AND HACKING THAT SOME OF THE WAYS FOR THESE BUSINESSES TO REPORT AND THE WEBSITE IS DOWN. WHAT'S THE PROCESS GOING ON WITH THAT TO BRING IT BACK ONLINE AND HELP MITIGATE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS. >> RIGHT. AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE OUR ABILITY TO WORK WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT WHICH IS CONTAINED OF THE PURPOSE OF THE STATE LAW IS OUR DATABASE BECAUSE WHEN A SELLER -- AND MOST SELLERS OF REGULATED MATERIAL ARE LEGITIMATE. THEY COME AND PRESENT THE INFORMATION TO THE DEALER. AND THEY GET MONEY FOR THE SALE. WHILE THAT INFORMATION IS UPLOADED TO OUR DATABASE RIGHT NOW, IF THIS ORDINANCE PASSES YOU'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE YOUR OWN DATABASE. THAT IS IN CONNECTION WITH THE STATE LAW THAT'S PENDING AS WELL. THAT YOU MAY KNOW ABOUT WHICH WILL ALLOW YOU TO HAVE YOUR OWN UPLOAD. AN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, THE STATE REGULATION AND LICENSING DEPARTMENT SUFFERED AN INTRUSION IN OCTOBER AND IT COMPLETELY TOOK DOWN EVERYTHING. OUR I.T. DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN WORKING ON GETTING OUR DATABASE BACK UP AND RUNNING AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO DO FOR I.T. AND WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO HELP THEM AND WORK WITH THEM TO GET THAT BACK UP. WE'RE STILL IN PROCESS. >>COUN. BASSAN: WOULD YOU HAVE ANY ESTIMATE OF TIME FRAME? BY YEAR END? ANY GUESS? >> I'M SORRY? >>COUN. BASSAN: IS THERE ANY GUESS AS TO WHAT TIMEFRAME THAT IS? SIX MONTHS, A YEAR? >> WHERE HAVE NOT BEEN TOLD THERE IS. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR DAVIS. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'LL BE HERE WITH US BY THE TIME WE GET TO THE BILL LATER. I WANTED TO FOLLOW UP. IT'S ALWAYS PERPLEXED ME, CONVERTERS ARE WEIRD. THEY DON'T HAVE A HOUSEHOLD USE. IS THERE LEGITIMATE PERSON A SHOULD BE ABLE TO WALK IN AND SAY I HAPPENED TO FIND THESE ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD. WHY WOULD A PERSON HAVE ONE THAT IS NOT ATTACHED TO A CAR? >> YOU MEAN -- ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE PART OF THE LAW THAT SAYS IT'S NOT ATTACHED TO A WHOLE VEHICLE? >>COUN. DAVIS: I THINK I'M ASKING AS A PROSECUTOR THAT HAS TO BUILD THESE CASES, IT'S EDUCATING FOR ME, IS THERE A LEGITIMATE PERSON WOULD WALK INTO A RECYCLER WITH THOSE AND HAVING THEM LAYING AROUND? I REALIZE MEETING THE ELEMENTS OF THE CRIME IS DIFFERENT FROM WHERE THEY COME FROM. IS THERE A LEGITIMATE MARKET FOR THESE THINGS IN YOUR EXPERIENCE? >> YOU MEAN FROM THE SECOND HAND METAL DEALER? >>COUN. DAVIS: YES, MA'AM. >> AFTER ALL OF THE PRECIOUS METAL IS TAKEN OUT. >>COUN. DAVIS: IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, IS THERE A LEGAL REASON FOR A PERSON TO POSSESS MULTIPLE OF THESE THAT ARE NOT ATTACHED TO A CAR? >> WELL -- >> THE PRE -- THE PERSON HAS AN OLD CAR AND IT COULD BE WORTH MORE THAN THE OLD CAR. IT COULD GO WANT TO A SECOND-HAND DEALER AND SELL THE CONVERTER. RHODIUM IS AT $20,000. ACTUALLY THE PRICES ARE GOING DOWN. VERY SLOWLY. AND THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THEY WON'T GO BACK UP AGAIN. IF A PERSON SIMPLY WANTS TO GO SELL A CONVERTER AND THEY OWN THE VEHICLE THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT. AND THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT UNDER THE ORDINANCE. I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. >>COUN. DAVIS: IT DOES. WE'LL BRING IT BACK UP. I THINK WE'LL GET A CHANCE TO APD. IT OCCURS TO ME THAT THIS IS SUCH AN ODD ITEM AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF US THAT CARRY THIS AROUND EVERY DAY AND HAPPEN TO DROP THEM IN THE RECYCLING BEEN. THE PRESUMPTION IS IF YOU WALK IN WITH THESE, IT PROBABLY DIDN'T COME FROM SOMEWHERE LEGITIMATE. THAT'S ONE OF THE CONCERNS. I APPRECIATE THIS. I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT CONVERSATION THIS EVENING. >> WELL, YEAH. I DON'T SEE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR LEGITIMATE PEOPLE TO BE SELLING A WHOLE BUNCH. >>COUN. DAVIS: ME NEITHER. THANK YOU. >> UNLESS YOU'RE MIDAS MUFFLER. THEN YOU CAN TRACK YOUR PURCHASES. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. WE'LL MOVE TO ADMINISTRATION QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD. COUNCILORS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION FOR THE ADMINISTRATION? MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THIS WILL BE A SHORTER MEETING THAN WE THOUGHT. IF I COULD -- MR. RAEL, I'M NOT SEEING DIRECTOR PIERCE. I HAD A QUESTION I WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON OUR QUESTION ABOUT THE GIBSON HEALTH HUB. I FEEL THIS IS A REGULAR AGENDA ITEM FOR US. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY AND NEIGHBORS BEFORE, AND THANK YOU, I REALLY ENJOYED OUR VISIT AT THE CENTER AND I'M EXCITEDED TO SEE THE PROGRESS IS PART OF THAT GOOD NEIGHBOR AGREEMENT ABOUT ADDRESSING THE PROACTIVE ENCAMPMENTS IN THE AREA. AND I THINK THE COUNCIL RECEIVED, AND I THINK THE ADMINISTRATION DID AS WELL, A SERIES OF PHOTOGRAPHS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF SOME OF THE ENCAMPMENTS WITHIN THE QUARTER-MILE CLEAN UP ZONE. I APOLOGIZE I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT TITLE. SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE AND STARTED FIRES. YOU DEPARTMENT DID A GOOD JOB OF DISPATCHING WITH ACS FOLKS TO RESPOND. SINCE OUR LAST MEETING WE GOT THREE PAGES OF PICTURES OF NEW ENCAMPMENTS WITHIN THAT ZONE THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR MORE THAN THREE OR FOUR DAYS. I WANT TO COME BACK AND ASK WHAT IS THE ADMINISTRATION'S POLICY TO RESPOND TO THE ENCAMPMENTS AND HOW WELL ARE -- HOW DO WE TRACK THOSE? HOW IS IT THESE REMAIN WHEN THE COMMITMENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS THERE WILL BE A DAILY OUTREACH YET THEY'RE CLEARLY NOT IN THE SAME LOCATION THAT WE DISCUSSED A MONTH AGO. IF YOU CAN HELP ME, I REALIZE YOU MAY NOT HAVE THESE IN FRONT OF YOU, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE PROCESS. WHAT ARE WE DOING TO RESPOND? IT DOESN'T APPEAR WE'RE LIVING UP TO OUR COMMITMENT. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, WE HAVE ENCAMPMENT OUT. REACH THAT HAVE BEEN LOCATED AT GIB AS SOON AS SINCE WE OPENED. THEY DON'T WALK, THEY DRIVE THAT QUARTER MILE RADIUS. I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT EMAIL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. I WOULD LOVE TO GET THAT AND FOLLOW UP DIRECTLY WITH OUR ENCAMPMENT TEAM. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, MA'AM. I APPRECIATE THAT. IF YOU WOULD HELP US GET A REPORT BACK. SOME OF THESE HAVE BEEN HERE SOME TIME. APPARENTLY SOME ARE ON CITY PROPERTY. ACCORD TO THE PHOTOGRAPHS WE'VE RECEIVED. IF SOMEONE CAN HELP US THAT WOULD BE GREAT. AND HELP US REPORT BACK SO WE CAN REPORT BACK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I'LL ASK OUR STAFF TO HELP SHARE THAT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. I KNOW THERE WAS TALK ABOUT THE OVERTIME SITUATION WITH AFD. AND I HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. CHIEF, IT'S JUST BEEN BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS ACTUALLY TAKEN THE FRONT OF THE PACK WHEN IT COMES TO OVERTIME. FOR CITY EMPLOYEES. I JUST WANTED TO SEE HAD IF YOU CAN ELABORATE ON THAT. >> COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE TIME TO EXPLAIN HOW OUR PERSONNEL ENDED UP AT THE TOP OF THE LIST. GIVING A GENERAL OVERVIEW OF THE DEPARTMENT ITSELF. 365 DAYS A YEAR, 24-7 EVERY SINGLE TRUCKS HAS A MINIMUM STAFFING LEVEL. THAT IS SET BY NFPA AND CITY ORDINANCE. WE DO EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO MAKE SURE THOSE UNITS ARE STAFFED TO THAT LEVEL. ENGINES LADDERS RESCUES BUTAILIAN CHIEFS. DIFFERENT SQUADS HAVE DIFFERENT STAFFING LEVELS. IN SEEING THAT, LAST YEAR, IS WHEN THIS OVERTIME LIST WAS CREATED. THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY BECAUSE CURRENTLY WE'RE MORE STAFFED THAN WE HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST DECADE. THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THAT. WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN TO GET OUR STAFFING NUMBERS UP. LAST YEAR WAS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STORY. ON TOP OF OUR STAFFING LEVELS WE'RE STILL, EVEN THOUGH THE WORLD WAS GOING ON THE DOWNHILL SIDE OF COVID, LAST YEAR WE HAD THE TWO BIGGEST SPIKES OF COVID IN OUR DEPARTMENT. BOTH OF THOSE COMBINED CREATED AN ABUNDANCE AMOUNT OF OVERTIME FOR THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT. DEPUTY CHIEF EARLIER ACTUALLY ABOUT A YEAR AGO TO DATE WAS DOING INTERVIEWS WITH SOME NEW REPORTERS ON HOW WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO STAFF VACANCIES THAT RESPONSE UNIT. ONE-THIRD OF OUR WE HAD OVER 50 VACANCIES PER DAY THAT WE HAD TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FILL. BECAUSE BASED ON THE MINIMUM STAFFING LEVEL FOR THE SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY AND FOR THE SAFETY OF THE FIREFIGHTERS MAKING SURE THAT WHEN THEY DID GET DISPATCHED TO THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE TEAM, ESPECIALLY FIRES, THEY HAD THE AMOUNT OF PERSONNEL THERE THAT THEY WERE OPERATING IN A SAFE MANNER. JUST BY CHANCE, AND I'M EXTREMELY PROUD OF EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF MY DEPARTMENT THAT WAS STEPPING UP AND WORK ALL OF THE OVERTIMES. WE HAD MORE HOLD OVER OVERTIME FOR FORCE OVERTIME LAST YEAR THAN WE EVER HAVE COMBINED IN THE LAST DECADE. THAT'S HOW MANY HOLD OVER WE HAD LAST YEAR. BY CHANCE, THE MEMBERS THAT ARE AT THE TOP OF THE LIST WERE JUST THE ONES THAT STEPPED UP EVERY SINGLE DAY ANY TIME WE ASKED THEM AND SAID WE'RE GOING TO SHUT DOWN A TRUCK, THEY STEPPED UP TO THOSE OVERTIMES. I'M EXTREMELY PROUD AND GRATEFUL. I GET IT THEY'RE AT THE TOP OF THE LIST. THEY EARNED THAT MONEY AND THEY WERE ON THE TRUCKS WHEN WE NEEDED THEM MOST. I APPRECIATE THEM STEPPING UP TO THAT NEED WE HAD LAST YEAR. THIS YEAR IT'S GOING TO BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STORY. WE HAVE A LOT OF STAFFING. OUR GUYS ON THE OPPOSITE END GOING WHERE IS THAT OVERTIME. AND IT'S JUST NOT THERE BECAUSE WE HAVE WORKED EXTREMELY HARD TO BOOST UP OUR MANPOWER NUMBERS AND GET TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE. SO WE'RE NOT ABUSING OUR MEMBERS AND FORCING THEM TO WORK EVERY SINGLE WEEKEND. CALLING UP AND SAYING YOU CAN'T GO HOME THIS WEEKEND. NOW THEY DON'T HAVE TO REALLY WORRY ABOUT THAT. I'M NOT SAYING IT WILL NEVER COME BACK. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE IN A GOOD SPOT. I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTIONS. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES, HAD ANOTHER FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO THAT. QUESTION IS, BASED ON THE FACT THAT YOU HAD THE LITTLE BIT OF SHORTAGES THAT YOU HAD REFERENCED COVID, YOU ALSO PAID SOME OF YOUR HIGHEST RANKING FIREFIGHTERS. THEY'RE THE ONES THAT MADE THE TOP OF THE LIST. THE TOP SEVEN ARE VERY HIGH-RANKING IN YOUR DEPARTMENT. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT AS WELL? >> IF YOU LOOK AT THE ONES THAT WERE AT THE TOP OF THE LIST, ONE ARE PARAMEDIC. THERE'S ONE BATTALION CHIEF AND THE REST ARE LIEUTENANTS. LIEUTENANT IS A VERY DESIRED, ESPECIALLY PARAMEDIC LIEUTENANT IS A DESIRED POSITION FOR US HAVING THE AVAILABILITY TO WORK OVERTIME FOR THE PARAMEDIC POSITION. THAT IS WHY THEIR NAME IS ALWAYS AT THE TOP OF THE LIST. THE BATTALION CHIEF IS THE PARAMEDIC. THAT LINSANCE IS WHAT GIVES HIM THE ABILITY TO WORK AS MUCH AS WE HID. HE IS A UNION MEMBER ABLE TO WORK OVERTIME WHENEVER HE IS AVAILABLE. THAT'S HOW AND WHY HE WAS AT THE TOP OF THE LIST. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU TO THE FIRST RESPONDERS. TOTALLY. I'M FOR FIRST RESPONDERS. VERY, VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE SERVING THE CITIZENS IN THE BEST CAPACITY AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. AND YOU'RE REASSURING US WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE FIREFIGHTERS AT THE TOP OF THE LIST IF AT ALL POSSIBLE. >> ABSOLUTELY. IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, IN MY OPINION, AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING AT AND DEPUTY CHIEF AS WELL AS, AS FAR AS OUR MENTAL HEALTH PROGRAM. THE MORE OVERTIME WE PUT ON THE MEMBERS AND THE EXTENT OF OUR CALL VOLUME CONTINUING TO RISE IS SOMETHING WE TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY BECAUSE PUTTING A VERY BIG BURDEN ON MEMBERS MENTAL HEALTH. THE LESS WE'RE ABLE TO MAKE THEM WORK OR EVEN OVERTIME IS AVAILABLE, THAT MEANS THEY'RE ABLE TO BE AT HOME MORE. RELAXING. RECOVERING. TAKING THE TIME OFF WITH THEIR FAMILIES. IF WE COULD ELIMINATE OVERTIME, WE WOULD. THAT'S JUST PROBABLY NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF PARAMEDIC OVERTIME BECAUSE WE'RE STILL SHORT PARAMEDICS. WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO BUILD OUR PARAMEDIC ROSTER. WE HAVE TEN IN THE UNM PROGRAM AND TWO IN THE CNM PROGRAM. WE'RE LOOKING TO START ANOTHER CLASS WITHIN THE END OF THE YEAR. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, CHIEF. IS THERE 12 PARAMEDICS COMING ONLINE AND HOW MANY SHORT ARE YOU AFTER THESE 12 THAT COME ONLINE? >> RIGHT NOW, CHIEF HAS DAWN LOT OF RESEARCH ON THIS BECAUSE HE'S ASKED A LOT, WE'RE FUNDED FOR 212 PARAMEDIC POSITIONS. WE HAVE 190 LICENSED THAT ARE ABLE TO FILL THE POSITIONS WITH AN ADDITIONAL 12 COMING ONLINE LATER THIS YEAR. WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR BEST TO SEND AT LEAST ANOTHER 20 TO 25 TO SCHOOL THIS NEXT CLASS. THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS WE ONLY HAVE CNM AND UNM TO RELY ON FOR THE PARAMEDIC PROGRAM. THEY ONLY HAVE CLASSES THAT START AT SPECIFIC TIMES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. EVERYBODY IS BEGGING FOR PARAMEDICS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. I KNOW WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT ALBUQUERQUE. ALBUQUERQUE AMBULANCE, SUPERIOR, THE HOSPITALS. IT'S USED AS A PRERECK FOR PRE-MED. WE'RE FIGHTING AGAINST ALL THE OTHER PERSONNEL THAT TAKE THE CLASS TO GO TO MEDICAL SCHOOL OR BECOME DOCTORS OR P.A.s. ALL THE OTHER MEDICAL FIELDS. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO OVERCOME. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, CHIEF. I APPRECIATE IT. IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO BE ONLY TEN SHORT. WHAT ARE WE DOING IN REFERENCE TO ATTRITION AND RETIREMENT? >> WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO, AGAIN, WITH YOUR HELP AND ADMINISTRATION'S HELP, WE'VE PUT IN -- THE INCENTIVE PROGRAM IN PLACE. IT'S A $50,000 BONUS IF YOU GO TO PARAMEDIC SCHOOL. WE'VE INCENTIVIZED LONGEVITY. SO IT DOES ENCOURAGE MEMBERS TO STAY TWO TO THREE YEARS LONGER. WE BOOSTED THE RESCUE ASSIGNMENT PAY WHICH IS ANOTHER 3.5% IF YOU'RE A PARAMEDIC. ENCOURAGING MEMBERS TO STAY LONGER TO GET THE TOP PAY. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. >> ABSOLUTELY. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF THE UNION BOSS IS HERE FOR THE -- WOULD YOU LIKE TO CHIME IN, SIR? THANK YOU, CHIEF. ALSO, CHIEF, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE WITH AFR. I KNOW THAT YOU'RE RETIRING, AND MY BEST TO YOU. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, THANK YOU SO MUCH. IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE AND WORKING WITH YOU AND THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT. IT'S BEEN AN AMAZING CAREER. I LOVED EVERY SINGLE MINUTE. IT'S BITTERSWEET BEING THE -- LEAVING THE FAMILY THAT I LOVE WITH ALL MY HEART. I KNOW THAT I'LL SEE THEM OUT THERE ON THE TRUCKS AND ON THE STREETS. I KNOW THAT I HAVE A LOT OF GOOD FRIENDS THAT WE'LL VISIT IN THE FIREHOUSE. I'M EXCITED TO MOVE ON. >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDENT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? >>COUN. DAVIS: BEFORE YOU COME UP, CHIEF, IF YOU WOULD THIS IS YOUR LAST MEETING. THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. THIS IS YOUR LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING? >> THIS IS, COUNCILOR DAVIS. YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: UNLESS YOU WANT TO COME BACK TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND SHARE NEIGHBORHOOD GRIEVANCES OR TELL US WHAT YOU'RE DOING WRONG, YOU'RE UNMUZZLED AT THAT TIME. THANK YOU SO MUCH. HOW LONG IS YOUR CAREER? >> WITH THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE 26 YEARS AND FIRE DEPARTMENT 22 YEARS. >>COUN. DAVIS: CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. WE'RE GRATEFUL. I HOPE MY COLLEAGUES WILL JOIN US IN GIVING YOU A ROUND OF APPLAUSE AND SAYING THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. [ APPLAUSE ] >> THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, I ALSO APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU. >> I APPRECIATE YOU TOO, CHIEF. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, IS THERE A SPECIFIC QUESTION YOU WANTED TO ASK? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND JUST A QUICK RESPONSE AND IN REFERENCE TO WHAT WENT ON WITH THE CHIEF. >> COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, I THINK THE ONE DIFFERENCE THAT WE SEE WITH THE FIRE CHIEF IS THAT WE ARE UNDER-STAFFED. SAYING WE'RE FULLY STAFFED IS DIFFERENT THAN SAYING WE HAVE A GOOD AMOUNT OF MAN POWER. WE HAVE A GOOD AMOUNT OF MAN POWER. WE'RE NOT AT STAFFING -- REFERRING TO LICENSED AND QUALIFIED PEOPLE, SPECIFICALLY PARAMEDICS, OFFICERS AND DRIVERERS. THE PARAMEDIC CONVERSATION IS ONE WE HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH FOR QUITE A LONG TIME. WE'RE GOING TO BE DEALING WITH FOR QUITE A LONG TIME. THAT LACK OF TRAINED PARAMEDIC, THE DIRECT RESULT OF WHY YOU SEE MEMBERS HAVING THAT OPPORTUNITY TO WORK THAT AMOUNT OF OVERTIME. THEIR BASE PAY IS IN MY OPINION UNDER REPRESENTED IN COMPARISON TO THE REST OF THE SOUTHWEST WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SO MUCH OVERTIME IS WE'RE LACKING THE PARAMEDIC POSITION. LIKE THE FIRE CHIEF, I APPLAUD NOT ONLY THOSE MEMBERS WILLING TO WORK BUT ALSO THE FIRE CHIEF AND ADMINISTRATION ON PUTTING THE POLICY IN PLACE THAT ALLOWSTUSE CALL THAT AMOUNT OF OVERTIME TO STAFF THE TRUCKS. THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THIS CONVERSATION. AS MANY TIMES AS POSSIBLE ARE RESPONDING ON REFUSE AND EMT AND FIREFIGHTER ENGINES. THE AMOUNT OF TIMES WE'VE SEEN ONE PARAMEDIC ON A RESCUE AND THREE FIREFIGHTERS ON AN ENGINE IS STAGGERING. IN MY 19-YEAR HISTORY. IF WE'RE EVER TALKING ABOUT A FIREFIGHTER INJURED OR KILLED, BECAUSE OF THE RESPONSE OF A THREE-PERSON ENGINE IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT CONVERSATION FOR ALL OF US. I WOULD HATE FOR US TO EVER GET TO THAT. WE REALLY WORK WELL WITH THE ADMINISTRATION. AND LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEW CHIEF'S TENURE AND SOLVING SOME OF THE VERY DIFFICULT PROBLEMS AND CONVERSATIONS WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THE MOST PART WHICH IS SERVICE TO THE PUBLIC AND SAFETY OF THE FIREFIGHTERS. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR RESPONSE. VERY INFORMATIVE. THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR PIERCE. DIRECTOR, HOW MUCH SPACE IS OCCUPIED BY HEADING HOME? >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR GROUT, RIGHT NOW HEADING HOME IS OPERATING THE EMERGENCY BEDS. THE WINTER EMERGENCY BEDS WE DISCUSSED. THAT SPACE IS ROUGHLY 14,000 SQUARE FEET. WHEN THE GATEWAY SHELTER OPPOSE OR THE HOUSING NAVIGATION THAT WILL BE 19,200 SQUARE FEET. THEY'RE THE SOCIAL SERVICE AGENCY. THE THIRD COMPONENT IS THE HOUSING UNIT OF HEADING HOME HAS LEASED SPACE WITHIN THE PROCESS OF LEASING SPACE. >>COUN. GROUT: THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT? >> YES. >>COUN. GROUT: ALL RIGHT. >> SO -- >>COUN. GROUT: HOW BIG IS THAT SPACE? >> THAT'S ABOUT 6,000 SQUARE FEET. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY. THAT'S ALL I NEEDED TO KNOW. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION FOR MR. RAEL. MR. RAEL, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT JUST PRODUCED ITS LOWEST BID WHICH IS RIGHT AROUND THE 300 MARK. I'VE BEEN ASKING THE POLICE CHIEF FOR AT LEAST A YEAR OR SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE SEEING IN TERMS OF SIGNIFICANT GROWTH IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE NOTE AND PUT IT ON THE RECORD THAT THE BID OF 306 POLICE OFFICERS IN THE MID 1980s WHEN I STARTED WAS THE SAME AMOUNT. WE'RE PROBABLY ABOUT 200,000 MORE PEOPLE IN THE CITY. THAT WAS 38 YEARS AGO. RIGHT NOW, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT FAILURE TO RECRUIT. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE MAYOR'S RESPONSE IS TO WHY WE CAN'T RECRUIT POLICE OFFICERS AND WHAT IS HE DOING TO RECRUIT POLICE OFFICERS BECAUSE IT'S NOT WORKING. AND WHAT HIS PLAN IS TO GAIN MORE OFFICERS. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, AS IT RELATES TO THE BID I WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE CHIEF OR ONE OF THE DEPUTY CHIEFS GIVE YOU A REPORT. I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I WILL COMMIT TO YOU AND TO THE COUNCILORS WE'RE ACTIVELY RECRUITING ACROSS THE SOUTHWEST AND ACTUALLY EXPANDING THAT RECRUITMENT TO DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COUNTRY. AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN AT THIS COUNCIL AND VARIOUS OTHER SETTINGS THAT RECRUITING FOR POLICE OFFICERS IS A REAL CHALLENGE FOR EVERY DEPARTMENT ACROSS THE COUNTRY NO DIFFERENT FOR ALBUQUERQUE. WE DO HAVE A CLASS THAT WILL BE STARTING VERY SHORTLY. AND THERE ARE CANDIDATES THAT ARE BEING INTERVIEWED AS WE SPEAK. AND THOSE CANDIDATES WILL BE, IF YOU WILL, RAN THROUGH THE PROCESS AS IT IS FOR QUALIFYING FOR THE COURSES. AND COUNCILOR, WE DID SEVERAL THINGS IN THE COURSE OF THE LAST FOUR YEARS TO TRY TO CONTINUE TO RECRUIT AND GET MORE AND MORE POLICE OFFICERS INTO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THINGS LIKE RETENTION BONUSES SO WE CAN KEEP FOLKS, ESPECIALLY FOLKS WHO ARE RETIRING. FOLKS THAT WOULD BE NORMALLY LEAVING, GIVING THEM ADDITIONAL BENEFITS IN ORDER TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO STAY WORKING IN THE DEPARTMENT. THAT ALONE HAS PROVED TO BE VERY BENEFICIAL. WE HAVE STOPPED -- NOT COMPLETELY, BUT BEEN ABLE TO KEEP LOT MORE OF THE POLICE OFFICERS THAT MIGHT HAVE OTHERWISE LEFT THE DEPARTMENT WHEN THEY WERE ELIGIBLE FOR RETIREMENT UNDER THE 20-YEAR MARK AND ARE OPTING TO STAY LONGER BECAUSE OF THE BENEFITS WE'VE PROVIDED SUCH AS HEALTH INSURANCE AND ADDITIONAL BONUS TO KEEP THEM ONLINE. ADDITIONALLY, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, WE ALSO ARE GOING AROUND AND GIVING BONUSES AND HIRING BONUSES AND REFERRAL FOR FOLKS REFERRING INDIVIDUALS TO THIS DEPARTMENT AND OBVIOUSLY WE CONTINUE TO BE VERY AGGRESSIVE WORKING WITH CNM AND OTHERS ON THE LATERAL CLASSES. TRYING TO GET MORE OFFICERS WHO MIGHT BE WILLING TO LEAVE OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND COME TO APD. ONE OF THE INTERESTING ISSUES THAT WE'VE OBVIOUSLY HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS AS WELL IS THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE ISSUE IN THE CONSENT DECREE IS A REAL CHALLENGE FOR THE DEPARTMENT. ON A VERY DIFFERENT LEVEL BUT A LOT OF FOLKS WHO WANT TO WORK IN THIS PROFESSION FIND THE CHALLENGE OF WORKING WITHIN THAT STRUCTURE DIFFERENT AND OBVIOUSLY OPT TO GO TO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS BECAUSE OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'RE NOW GOING THROUGH IN TERMS OF THE REFORM PROCESS. THAT, IN OUR OPINION, IS GOING TO MAKE THE DEPARTMENT BETTER. IN THE FUTURE AS THIS MOVES FORWARD, NONETHELESS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT RECRUITING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RECRUITING EVEN ACROSS THE COUNTRY. FOLKS LOOK AT OPPORTUNITIES LIKE THAT AND ISSUES LIKE THAT AND MAKE THEIR DECISIONS BASED ON WHERE THEY THINK THEY CAN GO TO A POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT MAY NOT BE UNDER A DECREE OF SUCH. WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, I ASSURE YOU WE'RE WORKING REALLY HARD TO CONTINUE TO RECRUIT AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DOUBLE DOWN ON WORKING HERE IN ALBUQUERQUE AND IN NEW MEXICO WITH HIGH SCHOOLS AND UNIVERSITIES AND GOING TO ANY OTHER PLACE WHERE WE KNOW WE CAN POSSIBLY RECRUIT INDIVIDUALS. BUT ALSO EXPANDING THAT NET IF YOU WILL TO THE SOUTHWEST. LOOKING AT THE SOUTH PART OF THE COUNTRY INTO STATES LIKE TEXAS, LOUISIANA, ARKANSAS, ANYWHERE WE FEEL LIKE WE CAN CONTINUE TO BOOST OUR NUMBERS. IT IS A CHALLENGE. IT'S NOT AN EASY PROCESS. I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY, COUNCILORS, TO HAVE OUR RECRUITING STAFF VISIT AND GIVE A PRESENTATION ON RECRUITING PROCESS. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. ONE OF THE THINGS YOU BROUGHT UP WAS RETENTION BONUSES. THERE'S AN ISSUE AND RETENTION BONUSES THAT IS CONCERNING. ONE OF THE PORTIONS IS STATING IT'S PERA TIME FOR THE INDIVIDUALS ON THE RETENTION. SO, IF I WAS TO GET HIRED BACK AT A HIGHER RATE OF PAY AND I WAS TO BECOME A DEPUTY COMMANDER LIKE SOME PEOPLE HAVE AND GONE BACK TO SUPPLEMENTAL RETIREMENT I'M ALSO ELIGIBLE FOR THE RETENTION BONUS, WHICH IN MY OPINION IS NOT BENEFITTING ALL OF THE RANK AND FILE AS IT SHOULD, IT'S BENEFITTING SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT BACK BASED ON THAT STATUS OF PERA TIME. INSTEAD OF APD TIME. OR CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE TIME. I THINK THAT'S WHAT CONCERNS ME. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT IN ORDER TO RETAIN OFFICERS, WE RETAIN THE RANK AND FILE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE RETAIN THE PEOPLE THAT WE REALLY, REALLY NEED INSTEAD OF SUPPLEMENTING THE INCOME OF THOSE THAT THE HIGHER RANKS THAT JUST CAME ON BOARD AFTER THE FACT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, THERE'S NO DISAGREEMENT FROM THE ADMINISTRATION'S PERSPECTIVE AS IT RELATES THAT AS YOU LIKE TO SAY THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND ARE CERTAINLY THE FOLKS OUT THERE DOING THE WORK. THE ISSUE HERE IS THAT WE'RE BEING STRATEGIC ABOUT LOOKING AT WHERE WE SEE PEOPLE LEAVING THE APD BECAUSE OF YEARS OF SERVICE AND WANTING TO MOVE ON AND CREATING AN INCENTIVE TO KEEP SOME OF THE EXPERIENCED, SKILLED OFFICERS POSITIONS FOR LONGER AS WE RECRUIT NEW FOLKS WE HAVE A GOOD BALANCE BETWEEN EXPERIENCED OFFICERS AND OFFICERS WHO ARE STARTING TO INTO THE PROGRAM. OBVIOUSLY, THE FOLKS THAT IF YOU WILL HAVE THE COMMANDERS AND DEPUTIES AND THE FOLKS THAT ARE WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT THEY'RE ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, THEY'RE ALL POLICE OFFICERS CAPABLE OF DOING THE DUTIES AS YOU RECALL FROM YOUR TIME AT APD. AND A LOT OF THEM ARE OUT. WE'VE DONE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK TO MOVE A LOT OF THOSE POLICE OFFICERS THAT WERE OTHERWISE BE DOING DESK WORK OUT INTO THE FIELD AND HIRING CIVILIANS TO TAKE THEIR POSITION SO WE HAVE AS MANY OF THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE CERTIFIED TO BE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND PUTTING THEM ON THE STREET. YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT AND AGAIN BE HAPPY TO VISIT WITH YOU ABOUT THOSE. I WOULD SAY TO YOU THAT WE DO NEED ALL THE EXPERIENCED PEOPLE AT THE HELM AT EVERY LEVEL THEY HAVE A VALUE TO THE CITY AND A VALUE TO THE DEPARTMENT AND ENSURE WE'RE CONTINUING TO MOVE THE DEPARTMENT IN A WAY THAT WILL SERVE THE CITIZENS OF ALBUQUERQUE. NOT JUST TODAY BUT INTO THE FUTURE. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I HAVE ONE LAST COMMENT. I JUST HOPE THAT WE ARE HIING THE QUALITY OFFICERS WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN KNOWN TO HIRE AND NOT LOWERING STANDARDS. WHEN WE COMPETE SINCE WE HAVE THE ADMINISTRATIVE BURDENS THAT WE KNOW ABOUT AND THE DIFFERENCE IN THE USE OF FORCE POLICIES, THE OFFICERS NEED TO BE AT A PAY STRUCTURE WHERE THESE INDIVIDUALS WANT TO COME WORK. OTHER DEPARTMENTS NEED TO BE COMPETING WITH US INSTEAD OF US TRYING TO COMPETE WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS. RIGHT NOW, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE ON THE LOWER SIDE OF THE PAY IN REFERENCE TO THAT LARGE ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN. I HOPE THAT THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, THE POLICE ADMINISTRATION, REALIZE THAT AND ARE MAKING STRIDES TO DO THAT. AND HOPEFULLY ITEMS SUCH AS THE SALARY SAVINGS FROM THE 1200 OFFICERS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE OUT THERE TO PUT MORE BOOTS ON THE GROUND. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. MOVE ON TO THE JOURNAL. I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE FEBRUARY 6th JOURNAL. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES ON AN 8-0 VOTE. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. WELL DONE. NEXT UP ON IS COMMUNICATION AND INTRODUCTIONS. ANY CHANGES TO THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION? APOLOGIES, I HAVE A SLEW OF THEM ON BEHALF OF THE THE ADMINISTRATION AND SOME INTRODUCTIONS. HANG ON. I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR THE PLACING EC238 ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. IT'S APPROVING AN ALBUQUERQUE STREET CONNECT ENCAMPMENT PROGRAM TO PROVIDE PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS WITH STREET OUTREACH AND BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICE AND CASE MANAGEMENT AND OTHER SERVICES. AS A REMINDER WE NEED A VOTE AND NEED TWO-THIRDS VOTE AND THEY REQUIRE A ROLL CALL VOTE BECAUSE OF REMOTE MEMBERS. IS THERE A SECOND? MULTIPLE SECONDS. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK. I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR PLACING EC240 ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. IT'S THE MAYOR'S RECOMMENDATION WITH RAMSEY CHARITABLE TRUST FOR SPORTS COORDINATOR. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND FROM VICE-PRESIDENT. MADAM CLERK. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. I ALSO MOVE THAT THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR PLACING EC41. IT'S SOCIAL SERVICE AGREEMENT FOR HEADING HOME TO GIVE SUPPORTIVE HOUSING FOR THOSE EXPERIENCING PRECARSLY HOUSED. MADAM CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> PASSES ON AN 8-0 VOTE. >>COUN. DAVIS: I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR EC242. TOITS THE MAYOR'S APPOINTMENT OF SARAH TO THE DEMOSTIC AND SEXUAL ASSAULT COMMISSION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: THE NEXT WOULD BE EC243 I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR THAT BEING ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. IT'S THE MAYORS APPOINTMENT OF ANGEL CHARLEY TO THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND SEXUAL ASSAULT COMMISSION. SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR EC250. IT'S AN AWARD FOR PHARMACY MANAGER BENEFIT SERVICES. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND FROM THE VICE-PRESIDENT. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: NEXT IS EC251 WHICH IS THE MAYOR'S RECOMMENDATION TO METROPOLITAN LIFE INSURANCE FOR EMPLOYEE SERVICES. I THE RULES BE SUSPENDED. SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: MOVING TO COUNCILOR BENTON. ARE YOU WITH US, SIR? >>COUN. BENTON: YES, MR. PRESIDENT. I'LL MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR THE PURPOSE OF PLACING R-108 ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. IT'S APPROVING AUTHORIZING CERTIFIED OPEN GOVERNMENT SUBGRANT PROVIDING APPROPRIATION OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. >>COUN. JONES: SECOND. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR JONES. MADAM CLERK. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR PLACING R110 FOR ACTION. IT'S APPROVING THE TRANSIT SERVICE EQUITY ANALYSIS DUE TO STAFFING SHORTAGES. >>COUN. DAVIS: PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR PLACING R-111 -- IS THAT CORRECT? I HAVE 110. FOR TONIGHT'S AGENDA FOR ACTION. IT'S NAMING THE PILLAR ADJACENT TO THE AUXILIARY STAGE ON THE WEST END OF THE CIVIC PLAZA AS THE KEN SANCHEZ PILLAR OF THE COMMUNITY IN HONOR OF THE LATE CITY COUNCILOR KEN SANCHEZ. I MOVE A DUE PASS. >>COUN. DAVIS: MULTIPLE SECONDS. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BASSAN, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE A COUPLE. >>COUN. BASSAN: I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR INTRODUCING R-114 AND REFERRING TO THE FINANCE AND GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS COMMITTEE. IT'S AUTHORIZING THE GIVING OF NOTICES FOR BIDS FOR THE SALE OF THE $19 MILLION CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE NEW MEXICO GENERAL OBLIGATION GENERAL PURPOSE BOND SERIES 2023A. >>COUN. GROUT: SECOND. >>COUN. DAVIS: CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR INTRODUCING O-64 AND REFERRING IT TO THEFIANCE AND GOVERNMENT. ISSUANCE AND SALE OF THE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS IN TWO SERIES OF A COLLECTIVE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $34 MILLION. CONSISTING OF $19 MILLION. GENERAL PURPOSE, GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND. SERIES 2023A. AND $15 MILLION SHORT-TERM OBLIGATION BOND PRETO SCRIBING WITH THE 2023 BOND AND RATIFYING CONNECTION IN TAKING THERE WITH. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANY OTHER CHANGES TO THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION? >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDENT, I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION. >>COUN. DAVIS: THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND. LEZE -- PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, MA'AM. COUNCILORS, FOR THOSE FOLLOWING ALONG AT HOME, HERE'S WHERE I'M GOING TO EXERCISE PRIVILEGE OF THE CHAIR AND CHANGE EVERYTHING AROUND. WE HAVE TWO ITEMS. WE HAVE SPECIAL GUESTS FOR THEM, WE WANT TO BE SURE TO GET THEM IN AND OUT. ONE OF THOSE IS R-111 BY COUNCILOR PEÑA RELATING TO THE KEN SANCHEZ PILLAR. THE OTHER IS R-80 WHICH IS A BRIEF NUISANCE ABATEMENT PIECE WHICH INVOLVES LANGUAGE SERVICES AND WE HAVE A TRANSLATOR HERE. WE'D LIKE TO TAKE THOSE ITEMS BEFORE WE GET INTO THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND REPORTS OF COMMITTEES AND OTHER ITEMS. MY INTENT WOULD BE THAT WE'LL GET THROUGH THOSE OTHER ITEMS AND COME BACK AND MAKE OUR FIRST ACTION ITEM THAT QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING AND PULL THAT OUT OF THE MIDDLE OF THE AGENDA AND PUT IT AS THE FIRST ITEM COMING BACK BECAUSE IT HAS SPECIAL RULES AND IT'S WEIRD TO INTERRUPT THINGS. FOR THOSE OF YOU HERE ON DIFFERENT PIECES OR FOLLOWING LONG. WE'RE GOING TO DO 111, 80, BACK ON THE AGENDA AND AFTER THE BREAK COME BACK TO THE QUASI-JUDICIAL AND GO THROUGH STRAIGHT THROUGH WHATEVER IS LEFT. UNLESS THERE'S ANY OBJECTION. I SHOULD HAVE WORKED WITH THE CLERK TO REORGANIZE THAT. BUT WE TRIED TO ACCOMMODATE SOME OF THE SPECIAL GUESTS AND NOT TO KEEP THEM HERE UNTIL MIDNIGHT. WITH THAT, IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION I YIELD THE FLOOR TO COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT. WE HAVE LOT OF PEOPLE THIS EVENING AND WOULD LIKE TO GET THEM HOME AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S STILL AS WINDY AS IT WAS WHEN I GOT HERE. R-111 IS NAMING THE PILLAR ADJACENT TO THE AUXILIARY STAGE ON THE WEST END OF CIVIC PLAZA AS THE KEN SANCHEZ PILLAR OF THE COMMUNITY IN HONOR OF THE LATE KEN SANCHEZ FOR HIS DEDICATION AND COMMITMENT TO ALBUQUERQUE CITY COUNCIL AND COMMISSIONER. I MOVE A DUE PASS. SO THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND. JUST BEFORE WE GO ON, I KNOW IT HAS MY NAME. I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT AN EVENT ON THE 11th AND THE GUARDIANS OF THE CHILDREN ASKED IF WE COULD DO THIS. THROUGH THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND GETTING THE RESOLUTION PREPARED WE ALSO HAVE COUNCILOR SANCHEZ WHO ASKED TO HAVE HIS NAME ADDED TO THE RESOLUTION SO WE'LL BE DOING THAT. AND WE ALSO HAD COUNCILOR JONES TO HAVE HER NAME ADDED AS WELL. ANYBODY ELSE INTERESTED I'M ABSOLUTELY APOLOGIES FOR NOT GIVING NOTIFICATION. WE DID THIS REAL QUICK. THANK YOU FOR, MR. PRESIDENT, FOR FULLING ON THE AGENDA. WE HAVE A FEW PEOPLE. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. I THINK MR. MONTANO. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE ON THE BILL SPECIFICALLY. THROUGH THE RESOLUTION, WE ALSO HAVE MAYOR KELLER NAMED IN THE RESOLUTION BECAUSE HE'S SUPPORTIVE OF DOING THIS AS WELL. I AMMING WANT TO MAKE BLJ I WANT TO MAKE SURE I ANNOUNCE EVERYBODY SUPPORTING THIS. AND THE LAST PERSON IS ELAINE SANCHEZ. I KNOW SHE'S SUPPORTIVE OF DOING THIS. AND SHE'S THE STAFF TO HELPED TO WORK ON THIS AS WELL. WITH THAT, I GUESS PUBLIC COMMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR PEÑA. PLEASE CALL OUR SINGLE PUBLIC COMMENTER. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. OUR SPEAKER TONIGHT IS FRANK MONTANO. >> THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THIS. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ WAS VERY INSTRUMENTAL IN US KEEPING THE MEMORIES OF OUR CHILDREN THAT WE LOST IN THE STATE UP IN FRONT AND ALWAYS IN THE FRONT OF THE FOREFRONT OF THE CHILD ABUSE AWARENESS. JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW, THIS CAME AS AN IDEA TO COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE A MEMORIAL FOR THE CHILDREN WE'VE LOST, WE GRIEVE THEM EVERY SINGLE DAY. WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A PLACE TO REMEMBER THEM. AND HONOR THEIR TIME THEY WERE WITH US. AND HE DIDN'T TAKE LONG. EXCUSE ME. HE DIDN'T TAKE LONG TO SAY IMMEDIATELY YES LET'S GET THIS DONE WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO. AND WE PROPOSED AN IDEA, HE JUMPED ON IT. AND IT'S BECOME AN ANNUAL EVENT IN THE MOTORCYCLE COMMUNITY AND FOR THE CITY. MANY ATTENDED THOSE REALLY COLD NIGHTS OUT THERE AND GOT OUT AND TALKED AND LEARNED ABOUT THIS. I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. THAT IS PART OF OUR MISSION. SPREADING THE AWARENESS. I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, MANY TIMES, ISSUES WOULD COME UP AND IMMEDIATELY HE WOULD SQUASH THEM AND MAKE SURE THIS EVENT WAS PUT ON AND IT GREW TREMENDOUSLY TO THE POINT YOU HAVE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE OUT THERE IN COLD WEATHER TO HONOR OUR CHILDREN. WE ASKED SEVERAL TIMES AND COUNCILOR PEÑA -- I'M SORRY. >>COUN. DAVIS: YOU CAN CONTINUE YOUR THOUGHTS. >> IMMEDIATELY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. WE FEEL THAT NAMING A PILLAR FOR HIM. THE WORD PILLAR IS JUST AS IMPORTANT TO US HE WAS A PILLAR OF THE COMMUNITY. I LIKE VERY MUCH FOR THE PILLARS IN CIVIC PLAZA TO BE KNOWN AS THE GATHERING OF THE PILLARS OF THE COMMUNITY FOR THE FUTURE. BECAUSE WE HAVE OTHER GREAT PEOPLE THAT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE WE WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND. THIS IS ALL ABOUT COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. THE PILLAR WE CHOSE IS WHERE THE TREES STAND OVER HERE. I APPRECIATE THE VOTE ON THAT. AND THE SUPPORT. I WAS VERY PLEASED TO KNOW THAT SO MANY OF YOU WANT TODAY -- WANTED TO JUMP ON BOARD. WE WANTED THIS FOR SO LONG. SORRY FOR GOING OVER TIME. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR PEÑA. YOU HAVE OTHER GUESTS. [ INAUDIBLE ] [ INAUDIBLE ]. >>COUN. PEÑA: I'M SORRY, MY IF I CAN -- WE'LL GO TO COUNCILOR SANCHEZ'S FAMILY. WE HAVE HIS DAUGHTER. AND HIS GRANDDAUGHTER. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND SAY A FEW WORDS? >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TODAY. ON BEHALF OF THE ENTIRE SANCHEZ FAMILY IT'S AN HONOR. THANK YOU TO COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR PEÑA, AND COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. COUNCILOR JONES, AND FRANK FROM GUARDIANS OF THE CHILDREN. TO MAKE THIS POSSIBLE. THE GUARDIANS HAVE WORKED ON BEHALF OF THE VICTIMS OF ABUSE AND VIOLENCE AND THEY'RE A TREMENDOUS ASSET TO THE CITY. FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT KNEW MY FATHER YOU KNOW HOW IMPORTANT IT WAS TO PROTECT THE CHILDREN. THE TREE LIGHTING WAS A BIG PART OF HIS HEART. HE ALWAYS WANTED TO BE THERE. IT WAS COLD AND THAT WAS HIS PRIORITY TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE NEVER FORGOTTEN. IT'S IRONIC WHEN MY DAD PASSED AWAY, THE MAYORS OFFICE INVITED MY ENTIRE FAMILY AND IT WAS NEW YEAR'S DAY AND THE STAFF CAME IN THAT DAY. AND THE DAY WAS A REALLY A BLUR. ONE THING THAT STOOD OUT IS ONE THING THAT COUNCILOR PEÑA, ONE OF MY DAD'S DEAREST FRIENDS, CAME DOWN FROM THE HOSPITAL FULL OF TEARS AND SHE SAID TO THE MEDIA, AND THING THAT THEY KEPT REPEATING WAS THAT HE WAS A PILLAR IN THE COMMUNITY. I FIND IT IRONIC THAT YOU ARE HONORING AS A PILLAR IN THE COMMUNITY WITH THE GUARDIANS OF THE CHILDREN. SUCH AMAZING WAYS. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THIS MEANS SO MUCH TO US. NICE TO GO OUT THERE AND SEE IN CIVIC PLAZA WHERE HE LOVED TO BE. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OTHER COUNCILORS. I JUST WANT TO SAY, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU APPROACHING THE ENTIRE COUNCIL AND ASKING US TO DO THIS. I THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL. AS YOU KNOW, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ WAS BELOVED BY MANY IN THE COMMUNITY. EVERY TIME I GO SOMEWHERE EVERYBODY ASKED ME ABOUT KEN. AND PEOPLE ALSO ASKED ME IF COUNCILOR SANCHEZ IS RELATED TO KEN. I JUST SAID THAT US IN THE SOUTH VALLEY AND WEST MESA, IF YOU HAVE A NAME OF PENA, SANCHEZ, WE'RE ALL RELATED SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE. I THINK THIS IS REALLY GREAT. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU COMING TO ME AND STAYING ABOUT THE PILLAR. IT'S EXACTLY RIGHT ABOUT KEN. HE'S STILL MISSED LIKE IT WAS YESTERDAY. I WANT TO -- ELAINE AND NATTILY, WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT KEN. THANK YOU. WITH THAT, MR. PRESIDENT, I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR PEÑA. WE HAVE A COUPLE COUNCILORS THAT WANTED TO MENTION SOMETHING. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES, THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I WANT TO SAY IT'S BEEN AN HONOR. GREAT HONOR FOR ME, LOUIE SANCHEZ TO SET IN THE GREAT CHAIR OF KEN SANCHEZ. WHEN WE WOULD GET TOGETHER AT MAC'S AND TALK ABOUT THINGS AND LAUGH. WE WOULD JUST TALK ABOUT THE FUN WE'RE HAVING WITH FAMILY AND FRIENDS. WE WOULD HAVE A FUN OLD TIME. I'VE BEEN PART OF THE ANGEL TREE LIGHTING FOR ITS ENTIRE TIME. I'M SO THANKFUL FOR JACKLYNN AND NATTILY AND ELAINE FOR HELPING ME BE OUT THERE AND SPONSOR THIS EVENT. I'LL BE OUT THERE EVERY SINGLE YEAR. I WAS FIRST APPROACHED AT THE ALBUQUERQUE HISPANO ABOUT SEVEN YEARS AGO AND ASKED US ALL TO COME. I REMEMBER GOING TO THE FIRST LIGHTING. THANK YOU SO MUCH. IT'S BEEN AN HONOR. AND AN HONOR TO BE ABLE TO SIT IN THIS CHAIR WHERE KEN WOULD BE SITTING RIGHT NOW. I KNOW HE WOULD BE. I HAVE THE BIGGEST SHOES TO FILL. I'M SO GLAD AND HONORED THAT YOU GUYS HAVE TAKEN THAT ROLE AND I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE HIS NAME ON THE PILLAR FOR THE PILLAR OF YOUR COMMUNITY. >>COUN. PEÑA: I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO US. ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS. [ APPLAUSE ] OUR NEXT OUT OF ORDER ITEM IS R-80. WE'LL ASK THE TRANSLATOR IF SHE WILL JOIN US AND HELP GET US SITUATED BEFORE WE CALL THIS ITEM. WE'LL TAKE 30 SECONDS TO LET THE TRANSLATOR COME IN AND LET COUNCILOR SANCHEZ'S FRIEND AND FAMILY MAKE THEIR EXIT IF THEY CHOOSE. YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY WITH US. >>COUN. DAVIS: WELCOME BACK, WE'RE GLAD YOU'RE HERE. YES MA'AM. WE'RE WELCOMING YOU HERE. I NEED TO DO A COUPLE THINGS SO YOU CAN GET STARTED AND LET YOU SPEAK. >> I'M SORRY. >>COUN. DAVIS: YOU'RE FINE. THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK. R-80 IS A NUISANCE AND SUBSTANDARD DWELLING IN NEED OF ABATEMENT IN SAN MATEO. IT IS SO RUIN AS TO BE A MENACE TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY. FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS ITEM AND MOVE A DUE PASS. WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR BASSAN. THANK YOU. COUNCILORS, THIS ITEM IS CARRIED FORWARD FROM THE LAST MEETING WHEN WE HEARD FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO HAD BEEN ENGAGING WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AFTER SOME GAPS. WE ASKED OUR TRANSLATING SERVICES TO COME IN AND ASSIST WITH US SO WE CAN HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AND SO DIRECTOR BARELA IS HERE FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WHO WILL SPEAK ABOUT THE PROGRESS AND WHAT ELSE HAPPENED AT THIS PROPERTY. BECAUSE WE HAVE EXTRA FOLKS TONIGHT I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR WHO THE PEOPLE ARE IN THE ROOM. I'LL ASK OUR CLERK TO HELP ME A LITTLE BIT. WE'RE GOING TO EXTEND OUR SPEAKING TIME TO ALLOW FOR TRANSLATION SERVICES SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT THEM ON THE CLOCK. WE'LL LET THAT GO UNTIL WE GET TO A RESOLUTION. THANK YOU. WELCOME BACK. THE FLOOR IS YOURS. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, I HIRED TWO COMPANIES TO CLEAN UP THE PLACE AND I CONTACTED YOUR PEOPLE. ALSO THE ABC HELP. I WAS ABLE TO TALK WITH THE HABITAT FOR HUMANITY OF ALBUQUERQUE AND THEY WERE ABLE TO CONDUCT THE PROPERTY ASSESSMENT FOR MY PROPERTY A DAY AGO. WE TRIED TO GATHER PEOPLE TO COME TO THE PROPERTY TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH IT. I'M GOING TO SELL MY PROPERTY AS SOON AS I CAN. I WILL USE ABC TO HELP ME SUPPLY A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY REALTOR. I APPRECIATE IF THE CITY COUNCIL COULD GIVE ME MORE TIME. I REALLY HAVE VERY HARD -- VERY DISAPPOINTMENT WITH ALL THE HOMELESS THAT RUINED MY PLACE. I'LL TRY TO SELL IT AS SOON AS I CAN. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, MA'AM. IF IT'S OKAY I WANT TO FOLLOW UP WITH A COUPLE QUESTIONS AND WE'LL LET THE DIRECTOR TELL US ABOUT THE PROPERTY AND WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU. YOU SPOKE WITH HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, DID THEY AGREE TO HELP FIX THE BUILDING OR WHAT HAPPENED WITH THEM? YOU HAVE ANOTHER GUEST THAT CAN HELP US, IF THAT'S OKAY. INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE. >> CITY COUNCIL, I'M WITH ASIAN BUSINESS COLLABORATIVE. I'M ASSIGNED FOR HER CASE. I'M THE ONE WHO REACHED OUT TO HABITAT FOR HUMANITY. THEY DID ASSESSMENT FOR THE PROPERTY. BECAUSE OF THE FIRE AND THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING IT WILL BE HARD FOR US TO FIX THE THING. AFTER ONE MONTH, WE FIND A WAY TO -- WE FIND A WAY TO HELP HER. I THINK WE'LL SELL THE PROPERTY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, MA'AM. IS THERE A REALTOR ENGAGED TO HELP WITH THAT? >> YES. ABC RIGHT NOW IS TALKING WITH ONE OF THE REALTOR IN TOWN THAT IS ALSO JAPANESE AND WE TRUST HER TO HAVE A MEETING RIGHT AFTER TODAY'S CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF THE WEEK WE CAN START THE PROCESS OF SELLING THE PROPERTY AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL MAKE SURE THE PROCESS GOES SMOOTHLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: MY LAST QUESTION, IF YOU KNOW, SINCE OUR LAST MEETING, THANK YOU ALL FOR STEPPING IN AND HELPING CASE SERVICES AND HELPING. THERE APPEARED TO BE WORK ON THE FENCE TO SECURE IT. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN I DROVE BY YESTERDAY THE FENCE IS GONE AND HAS HOLES. WHAT HAS BEEN DONE IN THE LAST 30 DAYS TO PREVENT THE DESTRUCTION? >> I THINK THEY HIRED TWO PEOPLE TO CLEAN THE PROPERTY. AND THE FENCE SITUATION THEY CUT THROUGH AGAIN. AND SOMEONE LEFT THE DOOR OPEN. JUST TRY TO PREVENT PEOPLE CUTTING IT INSTEAD OF MY CLIENT JUST LEFT IT OPEN SO PEOPLE CAN JUST WALK IN WITHOUT DESTROYING IT. UNFORTUNATELY IT IS STILL DESTROYED. >>COUN. DAVIS: THIS IS A LITTLE WEIRD PROCESS FOR US. WHILE WE HAVE OUR OWNER IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER BEFORE WE GO TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT? SEEING NONE. THANK YOU. IF YOU'LL HAVE A SEAT WE'RE GOING TO ASK THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO TELL US ABOUT THE PROPERTY AND ANY CHANGES AND WE'LL COME BACK. WELCOME, CAN YOU GIVE US A BRIEF PRESENTATION, I THINK THERE'S DEVELOPMENTS. AND THERE'S PICTURES OF THE MOST RECENT FIRE THAT ARE AVAILABLE AS WELL. WILL YOU GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE PROPERTY? >> AS WE TALKED LAST TIME THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN IN DECLINE FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS. THE FIRST NOTICE OF VIOLATION ISSUED TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO. SINCE THAT TIME, CODE ENFORCEMENT HAS BEEN OUT THERE 64 TIMES. ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN OUT 25 CALLS TO THE PROPERTY. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN OUT EXTENDING RESOURCES SEVEN TIMES. THERE'S THREE FIRES AT THE PROPERTY. IT'S BEEN BOARDED EIGHT TIMES BY THE CITY. CLEANED UP SEVEN TIMES. AND HAS BEEN STATED BY THE OWNER, THE PROPERTY CONTINUES TO BE IN DECLINE. IT'S AN ACTIVE NUISANCE FOR THE CITY AND ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE. IT SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING THEY WON'T SOCIETY AWAY FROM. IT'S DANGEROUS AND WILL COLLAPSE ON SOMEBODY. IT DOES NEED TO BE TORN DOWN. I'M A FORMER BOARD MEMBER FOR HABITAT FOR HUMANITY AND I CAN ASSURE YOU IF YOUR CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL SAID IT CANNOT BE SAVED IT REALLY CAN'T BE SAVED. WE AGREE WITH THAT. THERE ARE GAS LINES AND ELECTRICAL LINES AND IT DOES NEED TO BE DOWN PROFESSIONALLY. IT CAN'T BE DONE WITH A BOB CAT BY VOLUNTEERS. WE ASK THE CITY TO PROCEED WITH THE RESOLUTION TONIGHT. THE NATURAL PROCESS FOR THAT TAKES 45 DAYS. NOTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THAT PROPERTY. WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE LEGAL PROCESS FOR THE ENTIRE MONTH OF MARCH. THE EVENTUALLY DEMINATION OF THAT PROPERTY NEEDS TO OCCUR, THAT IS INDEPENDENTLY OF THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY. AS A MATTER OF FACT IT WILL INCREASE THE MARKETABILITY OF THE PROPERTY BY CLEARING IT UP. IF THE OWNER CONTRACTS WITH SOMEBODY TO DEMOLISH IT IN MARCH AND LET'S US KNOW WE'LL LET THEM DO IT. IF A BUYER DOES THE SAME WE'LL BE HAPPY TO LET THEM DO IT. IF THAT DOESN'T OCCUR WE'LL DO THE SERVICE TO THE CITY DOING THE DEMOLISHING AND PUT A LEAN ON IT AND IT WILL BE DEALT WITH AT CLOSING. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. THANK YOU, COUNCILORS. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. MR. ORNELIUS, CAN YOU SHARE THE PICTURES OF THE FIRE? >> YES, MR. PRESIDENT. UP ON THE SCREEN. >>COUN. DAVIS: IF YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THIS IS THE MOST RECENT FIRE? >> THAT'S THE MOST RECENT FIRE. THAT'S ACTUALLY A LADDER FROM ONE OF THE FIRE TRUCKS THAT WAS PUTTING OUT THE FIRE THAT WAS ON THE ROOF PORTION. WE CAN SEE SOME BURNS INSIDE OF THE ROOF. AND IF YOU CONTINUE THROUGH SOME PICTURES WHEN WE GET TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IT'S BURNED UP AND GONE. RIGHT NOW NOBODY SHOULD BE IN THERE. WE'RE GOING TO END UP WITH A SERIOUS INJURY IN THE PROPERTY. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. LET ME SAY BEFORE WE GO BACK TO OTHER QUESTIONS OR TO THE OWNER, MY CONCERN IS SHARED WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. I THINK THIS IS THE THIRD OR FOURTH FIRE THAT I RECALL IN THE LIST. MY CONCERN HERE AT THIS POINT IS THAT THE FOLKS WHO WOULD TLIEK IMPROVE IT WHO WE'VE GIVEN TIME FOR OTHER FOLKS TO EVALUATE IF THEY CAN BRING IT BACK, MY CONCERN IS THAT I BELIEVE THIS FIRE HAS BEEN DEFERRED THIS MATTER LAST TIME I UNDERSTAND THE FENCE THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED BY THE OWNER TO GIVE SOME PROGRESS AND PREVENT SOME OF THAT HAS BEEN INSUFFICIENT. MY CONCERN IS THOSE FIREFIGHTERS ARE STANDING ON A ROOF THAT HAS BEEN BURDEN -- BURNED THREE TIMES. THERE'S ONLY SO MANY TIMES WE CAN SEND SOMEBODY THERE. I'M GLAD THAT THE OWNER UNDERSTANDS AND AGREES IT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED. MY CONCERN, AND THANK YOU FOR THE PICTURE. I WILL BE HONEST. I FEEL I HOPE THAT SOMEONE WOULD BUY THIS. I THINK IT'S AN EXCELLENT LOCATION. ON SAN MATEO AND ZUNI. IT'S ONE OF THE HIGHEST DENSITY VEHICLE TRAFFICKED AREAS BETWEEN THE BASE AND GIBSON AND ALL THOSE FACILITIES. AND THE INTERSTATE AND JOB CORRIDOR. BUT I THINK THE LIKELIHOOD THAT HAPPENS QUICKLY, GIVEN OUR CURRENT VACANCY RATE IN THE CITY LEADS ME TO BE CONCERNED WE WOULD HAVE TO WAIT ON A COMMERCIAL TRANSACTION IF WE DIDN'T MOVE FORWARD TO REMOVE THE DANGEROUSNESS. MY INCLINATION IS WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD. TO LEVEL THE DANGER AND IF THE OWNER CAN FIND SOMEONE TO PURCHASE IT AND DO IT THEMSELVES IN THE MEANTIME, THAT'S FINE. EITHER WAY IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CITY AND OWNER AGREE THAT THE BEST ROUTE HERE IS TO REMOVE THE STRUCTURE AND ALLOW SOMEONE ELSE TO COME IN WITH A NEW IDEA. I'M INCLINED TO MOVE THIS FORWARD SO THAT THE OWNER HAS SOME CERTAINTY ON WHERE WE'RE GOING AND IF THEY CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT BEFORE WE CAN, I THINK THAT MAKES OUR COMMUNITY SAFER. ALL THAT SAID, IT'S MY SPEECH AND BACKWARD FROM THE WAY WE NORMALLY DO IT. >>COUN. BASSAN: I BELIEVE IT COSTS ABOUT $25,000? ABOUT $25,000 WHEN THE CITY GOES IN AND SCRAPES A BUILDING. HOW MUCH -- I JUST REALLY WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH DOES IT ACROSS COST FOR SOMEONE TO PRIVATELY DO THAT? I THINK THAT'S A VALID POINT. ALTHOUGH I DISAGREE WITH IT, WE ALWAYS PAY SO MUCH MORE. >> COUNCILOR BASSAN, YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED THE DEMOLITION PRICES ARE AT ABOUT MARKET RATE. IT'S CHEAPER TO TEAR THINGS DOWN THAN BUILD THINGS. THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE DESIGN BUILD PRICE PROCESS WE HAVE IN THAT PROCUREMENT PROCESS. THIS IS A DIFFERENT MATTER. >>COUN. BASSAN: OKAY. MR. PRESIDENT, DIRECTOR, SO, I MEAN FOR THE OWNERS ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE WHETHER THE CITY WERE TO SCRAPE THE LAND AND DEMOLISH THE BUILDING OR WHETHER SHE HIRES SOMEBODY TO DO IT PRIVATELY, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE AROUND THE SAME COST? >> CORRECT. NO EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY. >>COUN. BASSAN: I HOPE YOU HEAR THAT TO ADVISE. BECAUSE I THINK IT'S UNSAFE. I THINK IT CANNOT BE REPAIRED. IT CANNOT BE REBUILT. IT'S A MATTER OF THE OWNER TO DECIDE IF THE OWNER TO DECIDE IF SHE'S GOING TO DO IT OR THE CITY TO DO IT. >>COUN. DAVIS: OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I KNOW THIS IS IN YOUR DISTRICT AND I DON'T LIKE TO COMMENT IN THINGS NOT IN MY DISTRICT. I WOULD MAYBE LIKE TO ASK THE OWNER, THERE IS A HUGE LANGUAGE BARRIER, AND JUST TO HEAR FROM HER THAT SHE UNDERSTANDS THAT -- >> I HAVE PICTURES TO SHOW YOU. I HAVE IT IN MY CELL PHONE. >>COUN. DAVIS: IF IT'S OKAY, LET COUNCILOR PEÑA ASK HER QUESTION AND WE'LL LET YOU SHOW YOUR PICTURES. >>COUN. PEÑA: MY QUESTION IS, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE CITY TEARING IT DOWN OR YOU SOLD IT AND HAVE WHOEVER PURCHASED IT SCRAPE THE LAND? >> I PREFER SOMEBODY THAT BUY IT AND REMODEL IT. >>COUN. PEÑA: OKAY. OR IF THEY TAKE THE BUILDING DOWN. BUT YOU PREFER TO HAVE THE BUILDING INTACT? >> AS I UNDERSTAND, IF YOU TEAR THE BUILDING DOWN YOU'RE GOING TO CHARGE ME WITH $28,000. WHICH I DON'T HAVE THAT TYPE OF MONEY. I SELL THE BUILDING AND THE WHOLE PROPERTY I'LL GET SOME MONEY TO PAY THE PROPERTY TAX. WHATEVER I OWE THE CITY. THAT'S THE WAY I LOOK AT IT. >>COUN. PEÑA: CORRECT. MR. PRESIDENT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION, THIS IS THE ONLY PIECE OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY YOU OWN? >> RIGHT. AND IN THE PAST I NEVER WOULD BE ABLE TO RENT OR LEASE TO ANYBODY. I EVEN OFFERED TO TRY FOR -- THEY GO IN THERE AND THE NEXT WEEK THEY TELL ME THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LIVE THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING THERE BECAUSE OF THE HOMELESS. I PUT INTO TWO REALTORS A COUPLE YEARS AGO. THEY REACHED OUT TO SOMEONE. SOMEONE WALKED IN THERE AND THEY SAW A DEAD BODY INSIDE THE BUILDING. I HAVE TO STOP WHAT I'M DOING THAT EVENING. I DO RESTAURANT. AND COME TO SEE THE POLICE TAKE THE BODY OUT FROM THE BUILDING. YOU KNOW, BEFORE THE BUILDING THERE HAS -- THE CITY TOLD ME I SHOULD CHANGE, I DID SIX FEET TALL. I DO WHATEVER. THE LAST YEAR I DIDN'T RESPOND TO ANYTHING BECAUSE I'M SO STRESSFUL WITH ALL THIS HAPPENED. WITH THE OTHER THING IS I LET MY FRIEND TO TAKE CARE OF IT. TO GO OVER AND HE TOLD ME I CAN'T DO IT FOR YOU. THE HOMELESS PUT A GUN TO ME. IT'S VERY DANGEROUS. YOUR LIFE IS WORTH MORE THAN THAT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THIS IS YOUR DISTRICT AND I GUESS MY COMMENT WOULD BE IS THAT THIS WOULD BE IF SHE WASN'T ABLE TO SELL IT AND WE TORE DOWN THE BUILDING SHE'S PAYING $25,000 IT COULD BE A TAX LIEN ON THIS PERSON. AND THAT LIEN WOULD CARRY ON TO HER ASSETS OR WHATEVER IF SHE WANTED TO SELL IT LATER IN THE FUTURE. JUST HAVING THAT TAX LIEN ON HER RECORD FOR HOWEVER LONG IF SHE WASN'T ABLE TO SELL THE PROPERTY. IT SEEMS LIKE GIVE HER THE OPPORTUNITY TO AT LEAST PUT IT ON THE MARKET WITH SOMEONE AND GIVE HER 60 DAYS TO SELL IT. SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. THAT WOULD BE MY -- THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION. I WILL DEFER TO YOU, IT'S IN YOUR DISTRICT. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR JONES, I THINK YOU HAD A CLARIFICATION OR QUESTION ABOUT THE LIEN PROCESS. >>COUN. JONES: I THINK I HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS THAT MAKE IT EASIER. I THINK WE AGREE THIS PROPERTY NEEDS TO BE RACKED. THERE'S NOTHING THERE BECAUSE IT'S NOT WORTH ANYTHING AS A BUILDING OR AS A HOME. THE QUESTION IS WHO IS GOING TO PAY THE MONEY UP FRONT TO TAKE THAT BUILDING DOWN? AND THE ANSWER, THERE ARE SEVERAL ANSWERS. YOU CAN PAY IT OUT OF YOUR POCKET BECAUSE IT IS YOUR BUILDING. OR THE CITY CAN MAKE AN AGREEMENT WITH YOU PERHAPS, MR. RAEL, WHERE THE CITY DEMOLISHES IT AT THEIR EXPENSE AND THEY PUT A LIEN ON THE LAND AND DURING ALL OF THIS PROCESS YOU SHOULD STILL BE MARKETING THIS LAND FOR SALE. BECAUSE OF WHAT I'VE SEEN, AND WHAT I'VE HEARD, THE BUILDING HAS NOT ONLY HAVE NO VALUE IT IS A NEGATIVE ON THE PROPERTY BECAUSE WHOEVER BUYS IT WILL HAVE TO TAKE IT DOWN. SO THE QUESTION IS, FIRST OF ALL, THE MOST OBVIOUS IS IT HAS TO COME DOWN. IT'S DANGEROUS. IF SOMEONE WALKS INTO THAT PROPERTY AND GETS HURT OR KILLED, YOU, MA'AM, WILL GET SUED. BY HAVING THAT PROPERTY LEFT LIKE THAT AND YOU WILL END UP PAYING DAMAGES FOR THAT HARM TO THIS FAMILY OR PERSON WHO IS DIED IN THERE BECAUSE IT WAS ACCESSIBLE TO THEM. HOWEVER, IF YOU MAKE AN ARRANGEMENT WITH THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE THERE IS NO MONEY TO BE MADE BY THE CITY ON THIS. IF WE CAN CONVINCE MR. RAEL THAT WE SHOULD -- THE CITY SHOULD GO IN WITH AN AGREEMENT WITH YOU, WE PUT UP THE MONEY UP FRONT AND DEMO THE PROPERTY AND SCRAPE THE LAND AND DURING THAT YOU MARKET IT FOR SALE AND IT IS YOUR PROPERTY WE DON'T HAVE TO COME OUT OF POCKET FOR THIS TO DO THIS BECAUSE THE CITY PUTS A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY. IF WE CAN DO THAT. THE BUILDING HAS TO COME DOWN. THE LAND HAS TO BE CLEARED. NO MATTER WHO DOES IT. THE QUESTION IS, HERE'S THE BIG QUESTION, DO YOU WANT TO PAY THAT MONEY OUT OF YOUR BANK ACCOUNT OR WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE THE CITY PAY FOR IT AND YOU PAY US BACK WHEN THE PROPERTY IS SOLD? MR. RAEL, IS THAT SOMETHING THE CITY CAN MAKE HAPPEN? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR JONES YES. OF COURSE WE CAN FACILITATE THAT PROCESS IF SHE CHOOSES TO DO SO. >>COUN. JONES: IF I MAY, YOU ONLY HAVE TWO CHOICES. THAT IS HOW THIS GETS PAID FOR WHETHER IT'S IMMEDIATELY OUT OF YOUR POCKET OR WHETHER WE PUT A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY AND YOU PAY US BACK WHEN THE PROPERTY IS SOLD. >> HOW SOON I HAVE TO PAY BACK? WHEN YOU SELL THE PROPERTY. I HAVE SOMEONE THAT CONTACTED ME. THEY ALREADY SAYING HOW MANY OF THE LAND -- HOW BIG -- HOW MUCH THE LAND COSTS AND I CAN SELL. HOW MUCH THE LAND WORTH AND HOW MUCH WOULD THEY BE WORTH. >>COUN. JONES: THE BUILDING IS WORTH NOTHING. IT WILL COST TO MAKE IT GO OFF THE PROPERTY. MA'AM, IF I MAY, YOU MAY CONTINUE TO MARKET THAT LAND. BECAUSE WHEN YOU SELL THE LAND THE CITY WILL GET REIMBURSED FOR THE PRICE IT PAID. IT CANNOT STAY AS IT IS. >> YES, ANOTHER THING I SAW IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. WHEN THEY HAVE EMPTY LAND HOMELESS STILL COME AND CAMP AND THEY'RE NOT JUST CAMPING ONE OR TWO OR FIVE OR TEN. THERE ARE WHOLE CAMP LIKE HUNDRED. WHAT I SAW DOWNTOWN BEFORE A COUPLE YEARS AGO AND CITY HAD TO CLEAN THEM OUT FROM THE -- I RIGHT NOW HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TO DO -- I JUST WANT TO GET THIS PROBLEM SOLVED. >>COUN. JONES: MA'AM, IF WE MAY, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. WE'RE GIVING YOU TWO OPTIONS. IT'S YOUR CHOICE. IT MUST BE DONE AND MUST BE DONE QUICKLY. >> IF THE CITY DO FOR ME, AND HOW LONG? AFTER THEY TEAR THE BUILDING DOWN. AND I HAVE TO PUT IN THE MARKET AND SELL THAT LAND, RIGHT? WHEN I SELL IT AND PAY THE CITY BACK. >>COUN. JONES: THAT'S CORRECT. >> RIGHT NOW, I STILL THE OWE THE CITY FOR THE PROPERTY TAX. >>COUN. JONES: YOU'LL HAVE TO PAY THAT BACK AT THE SAME TIME. THAT'S WHY I FORGET THE NAME OF THE GUY. I HAVE TO CONTACT HIM. IF I CAN START TO MAKE SOME PAYMENTS. >>COUN. JONES: MA'AM, IF YOU WILL, WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S SEVERAL CHOICES YOU NEED TO MAKE A DECISION QUICKLY WHETHER YOU ARE GOING TO PUT UP THE MONEY TO TEAR DOWN THE BUILDING OR IF THE CITY IS GOING TO PAY FOR THAT AND GET THE BUILDING TORN DOWN. THERE ARE NO OTHER CHOICES. OR YOU CAN SELL IT TO SOMEONE WHILE WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THIS. THAT OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE THE BEST RESULT. IT IS A DANGER TO YOU BECAUSE YOU WILL BE SUED IF SOMEONE GETS HARMED IN THERE. AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO HELP YOU GET A SOLUTION TO HOW TO DO THIS QUICKLY. >> A SOLUTION? >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE WANT TO GIVE HER A CHANCE TO TRANSLATE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT. BECAUSE IT'S TECHNICAL. >>COUN. JONES: MR. PRESIDENT, IF WE MAY. MR. RAEL, MAY WE ASK THE PEOPLE TO COME MEET ONE-ON-ONE AS OPPOSED TO ON TELEVISION AND THROUGH THIS SO WE CAN EXPLAIN AND SHOW YOU EXACTLY WHAT WE CAN DO. THE CITY COUNCIL CANNOT DO IT. BUT WE CAN WORK TO MAKE THIS WORK FOR YOU. ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS ON TV IS NOT GOING TO HELP ANYBODY. WE WILL TRY TO HELP YOU. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR JONES, WE'RE HAPPY TO SIT WITH HER AND EXPLAIN THE PROCESSES AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION ON THE TRANSLATOR'S PERSPECTIVE, IF THE COUNCIL VOTES TONIGHT, TO APPROVE REMOVING THE DWELLING, THERE IS STILL SOME TIME FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER TO MAKE A DECISION. SHE CAN HAVE SOMEONE COME IN AND CLEAN THE SITE AT HER OWN EXPENSE, OR THE CITY WILL COME IN AND DO IT AT OUR EXPENSE AND WE'LL PUT A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY. SHE WON'T HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING UNTIL THE PROPERTY IS SOLD. AND WHEN THE PROPERTY IS SOLD, THEN THE CITY WILL BE PAID FOR THE CLEANING UP THE SITE. YOU HAVE SOME TIME TO THINK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THE CITY WILL TAKE PROBABLY 30 TO 40 DAYS TO MAKE THAT DECISION. IF THE COUNCIL MAKES THE DECISION TONIGHT, TO APPROVE REMOVING THE PROPERTY, WE STILL HAVE SOME TIME AND WE'LL SIT WITH YOU AND GO THROUGH THE OPTIONS SO YOU CAN MAKE A GOOD DECISION. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'RE GOING TO LET HER TRANSLATE THAT AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK. >> I HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TODAY? >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'LL DECIDE TONIGHT WHETHER WE GIVE YOU MORE TIME OR WHETHER WE MOVE FORWARD FOR THE CITY TO DO IT. IF YOU HAVE MORE TIME, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS DONE BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING IN TWO WEEKS. I DON'T THINK THAT WILL HAPPEN. >> I JUST WANT TO PUT THIS COMMENT. AS A THIRD PARTY WE'RE WILLING TO HELP TO HELP HER UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE PROCESS. I THINK RIGHT NOW IT'S REALLY HARD FOR HER TO MAKE IMMEDIATE DECISION. ACCORDING TO MY UNDERSTANDING SHE'S WILLING TO DO WHATEVER TO ASSIST THE CITY TO DEAL WITH HER CASE AND TO SOLVE THIS ISSUE. MAYBE SHE JUST NEEDS MORE TIME TO SIT DOWN WITH THE CITY AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO TABLE ALL THE PLANNING PROCESS AND WE'RE HAPPY TO HELP WITH IT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET TO. IF THE CITY COUNCIL TAKES ACTION SHE STILL HAS TIME TO MEET WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT BEFORE THE CITY DOES ANYTHING. WE HAVE TO DECIDE IF THE CITY IS GOING TO DO THAT. I'M GOING BACK TO COUNCILOR PEÑA. AND WE'LL MOVE TO FINAL VOTE. >>COUN. PEÑ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ÑA, GO AHEAD. >>COUN. PEÑA: MR. PRESIDENT, WITH YOUR APPROVAL, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR TWO MEETINGS FROM NOW. 30 DAYS. >>COUN. DAVIS: THAT WOULD BE 30-DAY DEFERRAL. OUR CLERK KNOWS WHAT THAT IS. IS THERE A SECOND ON THE MOTION FOR DEFERRAL? >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I STRUGGLE WITH TWO MEETINGS. COUNCILOR PEÑA, WOULD YOU CONSIDER TWO WEEKS? UNTIL THE NEXT COUNCILAL MEETING? I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. >>COUN. PEÑA: I WOULD. I THINK WE NEED TO GET OUR STAFF, MR. PRESIDENT, WE REALLY NEED TO GET OUR STAFF TO SIT DOWN WITH THIS WOMAN AND REALLY HAVE A CONVERSATION AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL CONFIDENT THAT SHE UNDERSTANDS WHAT'S HAPPENING AND WHAT THE PROCESS IS. I WOULD LIKE SOMEBODY FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND OBVIOUSLY FROM COUNCIL SERVICES AND I WOULD CHANGE MY MOTION TO TWO WEEKS. >>COUN. DAVIS: THERE'S A MOTION FOR 15-DAY DEFERRAL. MARCH 6, I BELIEVE. SECOND FROM COUNCILOR BASSAN. I WILL SAY THIS IS SOMETHING MY OFFICE HAS BEEN WORKING ON. I KNOW MR. PEREA REACHED OUT AND THE ASIAN PACIFIC ORGANIZATIONS TO SET UP MEETINGS ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. AND WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. I APPRECIATE APD FOR ASSIGNINGANNING ASIAN LIAISON OFFICER TO VISIT THE PROPERTY WITH THE -- IF THE MOTION PASSES WE'LL CONTINUE. >> MR. PRESIDENT, I APOLOGIZE FOR INTERRUPTING, COUNCILOR PEÑA. I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST TWO THINGS. A TWO-WEEK DEFERRAL WOULD BE SUFFICIENT FOR US TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE THE CONVERSATION. I ALSO WANT TO MAKE A POINT THAT AS THE OWNER REPORTED IN THE COMMENT, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE WALKING IN AND OUT OF THE SITE. IF SOMETHING HAPPENS THEN SHE IS LIABLE AS WELL AS POTENTIALLY THE CITY. SO, I WANT TO MAKE SURE AS YOU ALL HAVE SEEN FROM THE PICTURES THOSE BUILDINGS COULD BE A POTENTIAL LIABILITY AND HAZARD FOR ANYONE. I THINK TWO-WEEK DEFERRAL WOULD HELP US GET TO A CONCLUSION AND HELPING I DO APPRECIATE MR. PRESIDENT YOUR INTEREST IN ENSURING WEIGATE THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO WALK WITH THE -- AND WE HAVE THE RIGHT FOLKS TALKING THE RIGHT LANGUAGE SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. IF YOU WOULD INCLUDE OUR OFFICE WITH THAT. I WANT TO BE SURE WE DON'T LOSE THAT. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN AND COUNCILOR SANCHEZ AND WE'LL COME BACK ON THE MOTION TO DEFER FOR TWO WEEKS. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I JUST WANTED TO GET CLARIFICATION. CAN SOMEONE TELL ME HOW MANY MEETINGS WERE DONE WITH AN INTERPRETER. CAN YOU RUN THROUGH THE LIST AGAIN? >>COUN. DAVIS: I DON'T KNOW IF THE DIRECTOR HAS THAT. IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. AND IT'S PART OF THE CHALLENGE OF THIS PROCESS. >> I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY CONTACTS WERE WITH AN INTERPRETER. I CAN TELL YOU THERE WERE 64 CONTACTS. WE STARTED IN AUGUST OF 2019. IN 2020 THAT WAS ONE YEAR, BY 22 THAT WAS THREE YEARS. WE'RE IN OUR FOURTH YEAR WITH A VERY NICE BUSINESS PERSON THAT IS SOPHISTICATED ENOUGH TO ENGAGE IN BUSINESS. I THINK WE'RE JUST PUTTING OFF THE INEVITABLE WITH A VERY INCREASINGLY DANGEROUS SCENARIO WE HAVE. I DO THINK THAT TWO WEEKS IS PLENTY OF TIME GIVEN THAT WE'RE NOW FOUR YEARS INTO IT. AND WE WOULD HOPE THAT SHE IS ABLE TO FIND SOME RESOURCES IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. THAT SOUNDS HIGHLY UNLIKELY. I DON'T KNOW SHE'S GOING TO FIND A BUYER IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. THAT SOUNDS INCREDIBLY UNLIKELY ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE MARKET ENVIRONMENT SHE DESCRIBED OUT THERE. IF IT'S THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL TO GRANT THE DEFERRAL THAT'S PERFECTLY OKAY. WE JUST DON'T WANT TO BE -- I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW MANY THOUSANDS WE'VE SPENT HAVING APD OUT THERE ALL THOSE TIMES AND FIRE RESCUE ALL THOSE TIMES. THIS IS A TREMENDOUS COST TO THE CITY. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I APPRECIATE THAT THERE'S BEEN YEARS OF THIS. I UNDERSTAND THAT POINT. IT SOUNDED LIKE THERE WERE QUITE A FEW MEETINGS RECENTLY WHERE THERE WAS AN INTERPRETER PRESENT. IS THAT TRUE? >> THAT'S PROBABLY TRUE. I DO NOT KNOW THE SPECIFIC ANSWER TO THAT. THAT'S QUITE POSSIBLE. HOWEVER, WHO WE HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATING WITH IS HER INTERPRETER. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. THERE'S BEEN AN INTERPRETER INVOLVED IN THE CASE. >> YES. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH SPEAKING WITH THE INTERPRETER. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT, THE BIG CONCERN TO ME IS THE FACT THIS IS A DANGEROUS, DANGEROUS PLACE. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION LAST MEETING THAT WE MADE IT VERY, VERY CLEAR WE HAD AN INTERPRETER AND EVERYTHING WAS IN PLACE. WHAT CONCERNS ME IS THE FACT THAT WE'VE HAD SO MANY PUBLIC SAFETY RESPONDING. WE'VE HAD VERY, VERY SERIOUS THINGS HAPPEN SINCE THE LAST ACTUAL MEETING. WHERE WE ACTUALLY BROUGHT ALL OF THIS UP. IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT THAT I AGREE WITH MR. RAEL ON THIS ONE, IS THAT WE JUST PUT OURSELVES IN JEOPARDY OF A LAWSUIT. WE ALREADY KNOW A SERIOUS ISSUE HAPPENED FROM LAST MEETING TO THIS MEETING THAT WAS A FIRE. WE ALREADY HEARD THERE'S DEAD BODIES PULLED OUT OF THERE. I THINK THIS IS A SERIOUS, VERY SERIOUS HAZARD AND WE SHOULDN'T BE EXPOSING OUR PUBLIC SAFETY, WE SHOULDN'T BE EXPOSING THE COMMUNITY, WE SHOULDN'T BE EXPOSING OUR AFR WORKERS TO SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ALREADY DEALT WITH. I CAN SEE A POLICE OFFICER AND AFR WORKER SUING THE CITY FOR THEM GOING IN THERE RIGHT AFTER THIS. I JUST CAN'T SEE WHY AFTER FOUR YEARS AND HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF CONTACTS AND ALSO MAKING IT VERY CLEAR LAST MEETING WHAT WAS GOING ON AND DEFERRING IT UNTIL THIS MEETING WHY WE CONTINUE TO KEEP A SERIOUS HAZARD IN PLACE. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS TWO-WEEK DEFERRAL. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR DAVIS. I DIDN'T MEAN TO SUGGEST THAT YOU WEREN'T WORKING WITH THE FAMILY. YOU CAN JUST BY THE CONVERSATION WE'RE HAVING TODAY YOU CAN TELL THERE IS A LANGUAGE BARRIER. SOMETHING IS NOT BEING COMMUNICATED WELL OR MAYBE NOT UNDERSTOOD AND THE QUESTION WAS ASKED BY COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN HOW MANY MEETINGS AND THERE WAS NOT A DEFINITIVE ANSWER OF HOW MANY MEETINGS THERE WAS A TRANSLATESER. FOR THOSE REASON I APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT A DEFERRAL. I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS MOVING FORWARD IF WE MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS A TRANSLATOR. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU FOR THAT. I INTEND TO SUPPORT THAT WITH THE ADMINISTRATION'S ENCOURAGEMENT. I'LL ASK THE CLERK IF SHE WILL CALL THE ROLL ON A TWO-WEEK DEFERRAL UNTIL THE MARCH 6th MEETING. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. OUR STAFF WILL HELP YOU. WE WILL BE BACK HERE IN TWO WEEKS BEFORE YOU LEAVE LET'S BE SURE TO SPEAK WITH MR. VARELA AND HER STAFF TO GET A MEETING TO HELP GET THIS DONE. SOMEONE HELP HER UNDERSTAND. >> I WANT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'LL DO THAT AFTER YES MA'AM. WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO THE AGENDA VERY BRIEFLY. BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO RUN PAST OUR DINNERTIME. MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT IS AHEAD OF ME ON THIS. OUR REPORTS OF COMMITTEES. THANK YOU, MA'AM. YOU COULD HAVE DONE IT FOR ME. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THE FINANCE AND GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS COMMITTEE MET ON MONDAY FEBRUARY 13th. AND REPORTS OUT THE FOLLOWING ITEMS. IN THE MATTER OF EC-223 THAT IS APPROVED. IN THE MATTER OF O-60 THAT IS WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION AS SUBMITTED. IN THE MATTER OF R-93 THAT IS DO PASS AND ACTED UPON IN THE MEETING AT WHICH IT IS REPORTED. MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE COMMITTEE REPORTS. >>COUN. DAVIS: MOTION AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THE LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING MET ON WEDNESDAY FEBRUARY 14. IN THE MATTER OF OC25 IT BE CONFIRMED. R98 DO PASS AND BE ACTED ON AT THE MEETING IN WHICH IT IS RECORDED. I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MEET REPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: MOTION AND SECOND. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, COUNCILORS. REALLY QUICKLY. WE'LL GOING TO MOVE TO DEFERRALS AND WITHDRAWALS AND WE'LL TAKE A BREAK. ANY DEFERRALS OR WITHDRAWALS? COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. OC26 POLICY BRIEF REPEALING NO CRUISING LEGISLATION MOVE DEFERRAL TO APRIL 17th. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE HAVE SEVERAL SECONDS. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN FIRST. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. R-75 ESTABLISHING A TIP LINE PROGRAM FOR REPORTING ILLEGAL USED OR POSSESSED FIREARMS ADJUSTING FISCAL YEAR 2023 APPROPRIATIONSMOVE DEFERRAL TO MARCH 6. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. MADAM CLERK. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, ALL. AT THIS POINT, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE OUR DINNER BREAK. WE'LL TRY TO KEEP IT TO 25 MINUTES IF THE ADMINISTRATION CAN HELP DO THE SAME. WHEN WE COME BACK WE'LL DO CONSENT AGENDA, PUBLIC COMMENT, AND WE'LL GO TO THE QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING AND GET BACK ON ACTION ITEMS. WE STILL HAVE A FEW THINGS TO DO. WE'LL COME BACK IN 25 MINUTES. SEE YOU THEN. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'RE GOING TO STARTED IN JUST A MINUTE. I'M LOOKING FOR OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOLKS. THEY NEED TO BE HERE. IF SOMEONE KNOWS WHO IN PLANNING IS GOING TO INTRODUCE QUASI-JUDICIAL, WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THEM IN JUST A SECOND. >>COUN. DAVIS: LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WELCOME BACK TO THE SECOND HALF TONIGHT'S MEETING. NEXT UP ON THE AGENDA IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA. COUNCILORS, ANY CHANGES TO THE CONSENT AGENDA? >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. I PULL ITEM I, EC241 OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA. IT'S AUTHORIZATION OF OF SOCIAL SERVICES AGREEMENT OF HEADING HOME TO PROVIDE SUPPORTIVE HOUSING SERVICES TO PERSONS PROCARIOUSLY HOUSED AND HAVE A BEHAVIORAL HEALTH DIAGNOSIS. >>COUN. DAVIS: PER OUR RULES ITEMS CAN BE PULLED OFF WITHOUT A SECOND. WE'LL TAKE UP THAT ITEM NEXT ON THE AGENDA. ANY OTHER CHANGES TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. >>COUN. GROUT: I MOVE APPROVAL. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR JONES. FOR THOSE OF YOU LISTENING IN AND BEING PATIENT WITH US OR JOINING US IN PERSON WHO HAVE AGREED TO SERVE ON A BOARD OR COMMISSION WE APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE AND BEING PRESENT. YOU'RE OFF THE HOOK. NOBODY WANTED TO ASK YOU QUESTIONS. SO, MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU GET US ROLLING, PLEASE? >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> PASSES ON AN 8-0 VOTE. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. DIRECTOR, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT. I WAS UNDERING HOW THIS IS AGREEMENT FUNDED? >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR GROUT, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS A LEASE AGREEMENT FOR HEADING HOME FOR THEIR HOUSING PROGRAM TO LEASE SPACE IN THE 5,000 SQUARE FOOT RANGE AND AT $16 A SQUARE FOOT WHICH IS FAIRLY STANDARD TO COVER THE EXPENSES. IT'S A REVENUE COMING TO THE CITY, SO IT'S NOT -- WE'RE NOT FUNDING IT, IT'S A LEASE AGREEMENT. >>COUN. GROUT: I UNDERSTAND THAT. HOW ARE THEY PAYING FOR THE LEASE? DO THEY GET FUNDING FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT? YOU KNOW, DO YOU KNOW HOW? >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR GROUT, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW THEY'RE FUNDING IT. THEY HAVE CONTRACTS WITH THE CITY. THEY HAVE OTHER CONTRACTS AS WELL. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY. AND THEN WHERE ARE PEOPLE BEING HOUSED BY HEADING HOME? BECAUSE THEY PROVIDE VOUCHERS. BECAUSE THEY PROVIDE VOUCHERS, WHERE DO THEY TYPICALLY HOUSE PEOPLE? >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR GROUT, THEY LIKE A LOT OF HOUSING VOUCHER CONTRACTOR USE A SCATTERED SITE MODEL. THEY'RE WORKING WITH THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES ALL OVER TOWN THAT WILL ACCEPT THE VOUCHERS AND THEN PLACE PEOPLE THERE. >>COUN. GROUT: HOW ARE THOSE VOUCHERS FUNDED? STUDENT -- IS IT FROM THE CITY? >> YES. THEY DO HAVE A HOUSING VOUCHER CONTRACT WITH THE CITY. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY. THAT'S ALL NEEDED TO KNOW. I JUST NEEDED TO VERIFY A FEW THINGS. THANK YOU. WITH THAT, MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO AUTHORIZE -- MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ON EC241. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR JONES. SEEING NO DISCUSSION. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANNOUNCEMENTS, THERE WILL BE AN ALBUQUERQUE BERNALILLO COUNTY GOVERNMENT COMMISSION PLUS APS MEETING ON THURSDAY THE 23th AT 5 P.M. IN THE BERNALILLO COUNTY BUILDING. IT WILL BE A HYBRID MEETING. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: MR. IT WILL BE AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL LEGISLATIVE RELATIONS MEETING ON FRIDAY FEBRUARY 24th AT 3 P.M. AND ON FRIDAY MARCH 3rd AT 3 P.M. VIA ZOOM VIDEO CONFERENCE. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANY OTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS? SEEING NONE. THERE ARE NO FINANCIAL INSTRUMENT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO OUR NEXT ITEM. GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN PROVIDE LIVE PUBLIC COMMENT TO THE COUNCIL IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY IF THEY SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT PRIOR TO OUR MEETING AND PER THE INSTRUCTIONS PUBLISHED ON THE AGENDA. HERE ARE THE GROUND RULES EACH PARTICIPANT HAS TWO MINUTES TO PRESENT. COMMENTS ARE TO BE ADDRESSED TO THE COUNCILORS ONLY THROUGH THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT AND ANY DISRUPTIVE COMMENT WILL RESULT IN REMOVAL FROM THE MEETING. THERE'S A TWO MINUTE TIME LIMIT YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO USE ALL OF YOUR TIME. A BELL WILL RING TO INDICATE WHEN THE TIME IS UP. FOR THOSE ON ZOOM YOU HAVE A TIMER, AND YOU'LL GET A NOTICE AND YOU'LL SEE HOW THAT WORKS WHEN WE GET THERE. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS DIANE FOLLOWED BY TIME. -- TIMMY. >> HONORABLE PRESIDENT, AND CITY COUNCILLORS, I AM DIANE, A SEMI-RETIRED COLLEGE PROFESSOR. I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE ONATE STATUE WHICH WAS REMOVED FROM THE ALBUQUERQUE MUSEUM AND PLACED IN STORAGE. THE STATUE IS A WORK OF ART BY ESTEEMED SCULPTOR. I'VE GIVEN YOU A LIST OF HIS 15 SCULPTORS IN ALBUQUERQUE ALONE. FOR 12 YEARS I'VE DONE RESEARCH ON THREE ONATE STATUES, TWO BY SUNNY RIV EX I'VE PUBLISHED A PAPER AND GIVEN MANY PRESENTATIONS. THE CENTRAL CONTRAVERSY IS HIS ATROCITIES IN ACOMA IN 1599 AND ENSLAVEMENT OF THE MALES OVER AGE 25. FOLLOWING THE TRIAL IN MEXICO SPAIN PUNISHED HIM WITH BANISHMENT FROM NEW MEXICO. IN THE FALL OF 2020 I PARTICIPATED IN THE CITY'S HISTORY AND HEALING PROJECT ABOUT WHAT TO DO WITH THE STATUE. THE COUNCIL RECEIVED OUR RECOMMENDATION TO RELOCATE THE STATUE AND PROVIDE THE FULL STORY OF ONATE IN NEW MEXICO. ACTION WAS POST-PONED DUE TO COVID. PLEASE NOTE THAT HISPANIC MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY MAY ADMIRE ONATE FOR HIS BRAVE TRAVELS FROM CENTRAL MEXICO TO SAN JUAN PUEBLO OVER A THOUSAND MILES WITH HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE, WAGONS AND ANIMALS. I'M ALMOST DONE. >>COUN. DAVIS: FINISH YOUR LAST SENTENCE. THAT'S IT, THANK YOU. >> I GIVEN AN OP-EDI PUBLISHED IN 2021. I RECOMMEND THE CITY NEGOTIATE WITH THE STATE TO MOVE THE ONATE STATUE TO THE NATIONAL HISPANIC CULTURAL CENTER ARE WHERE IT TELLS THE FULL STORY. YOU CANNOT CANCEL HISTORY. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. OUR STAFF SHARED THAT WITH US. THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THAT. >>-- FOLLOWED BY CAITLYN. >> THANK YOU. WELL, I'M CHANGING MY SUBJECT. KNOWING WHAT I HEAR TODAY. YES, LET ME START WITH TRUDY JONES. SPEAK UP FOR YOURSELF. YOU CAME FROM BIGGEST COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE BROKERAGE HERE. WITH COMMERCIAL BROKERAGE. YOU ARE -- SO, NOW I KNOW HOW THAT WORKS. BY PREYING ON PEOPLE IN TROUBLE. NOW YOU'RE DOING SAME THING RIGHT HERE WITH -- YOU'RE NOT HELPING PEOPLE AT ALL. YOU STAND UP FOR THE CITY. LET ME TELL YOU, 25 ON-CALL CONTRACTORS. 25,000. I CAN DO IT FOR LESS THAN HALF PRICE. AND I DONE IT. AND ANOTHER THING, YOU NOT ONLY ATTACH LIEN BUT THEY ALSO FILE THROUGH THE COURT TAKE IT FROM POSSESSION. PEOPLE'S PROPERTY. AND I SEEN IT OVER AND OVER IN TRUMBEL AND OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS. PEOPLE SIMPLY WALK OUT. THAT'S HOW THIS WORKS. WELL, SANCHEZ, I KNOW WHAT -- HE NOT HAPPY EITHER. I'M GLAD HE'S GONE. >> ROBERT FOLLOWED BY MIGUEL. MIGUEL FOLLOWED BY PATRICIA ON ZOOM. >>COUN. DAVIS: WELCOME BACK. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. COUNCILORS, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. I GOT TO SAY A LITTLE BIT OF MY PIECE. I'M UP HERE DOING SOMETHING I DIDN'T THINK I WOULD HAVE TO IS DEFINED OUR FIREFIGHTERS. THE SIX THAT WERE PUBLICLY SHAMED IN THE MEDIA IN THREE DIFFERENT ARTICLES. SOME DIRECTLY AND SOME INDIRECTLY. THEY ATTACKED THEM PERSONALLY IN BLOGS. THEY ATTACKED THE POTENTIAL MALFEASANCE WITH THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS AND HEADS ALL OF WHICH ARE LIES. I FELT COMPELLED TO COME TODAY TO THE MEMBERSHIP TODAY TO YOUR MEMBERSHIP AND CONSTITUENTS TO DEFEND THE SIX FIREFIGHTERS BECAUSE IT WAS THEM AND THEIR ATTITUDE DURING A TRYING TIME DURING COVID, AND POST-COVID AND DEALING WITH STAFFING ISSUES THAT THOSE FIREFIGHTERS ARE WILLING TO STEP UP EVERY SINGLE DAY AND WORK CRAZY AMOUNTS OF TIME AND HOURS GIVING UP PROBABLY UNHEALTHY HOURS TO BE HONEST. PROBABLY SOME OF THESE MEMBERS SHOULDN'T BE WORKING THIS MUCH. THAT IS THE TESTAMENT OF A FIREFIGHTER IS TO NEVER STOP AND IT'S TO PUT THEMSELVES IN HARM, SOMETIMES, WHEN THEY SHOULDN'T. SO THESE FIREFIGHTERS MADE A LOT OF MONEY IN OVERTIME, BUT THEIR TRUE SPIRIT THAT I AM HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT TODAY. AND SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO PUT OURSELVES -- THAT'S MY JOB IS MAKE SURE THE FIREFIGHTERS ARE CONSIDERING THEIR HEALTH. IGIST I JUST WANT TO COME TO MAKE THE PUBLIC UNDERSTAND OUR FIREFIGHTER BENEFITS ARE NOT OVERLY DRAFTED. WE HAVE THEM THAT TAKE VACATION AND HAVE FAMILIES LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE CITY. THEY USE THOSE RESPONSIBLY. AND ACTUALLY HAVE MORE BENEFITS. THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE WORKING MORE THAN THEY SHOULD. AND I APPLAUD THEM. AND EVERYBODY SHOULD APPLAUD THEM FOR THEIR SERVICE AS WELL. THANK YOU. >> PATRICIA WILSON. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, AT THE MAYOR'S TOWN HALL LAST WEEK I WAS ASKED A QUESTION. SOMEONE DECIDED NOT TO FIELD MY QUESTION LIVE ON THE AIR. I WILL ASK IT FOR THE RECORD. THIS IS REGARDING THE DESIRED INCREASE IN CONSTRUCTION OF DUPLEXES AND CASITAS ALLOWED BY THE ADOPTION OF SECTIONS ONE AND TWO OF THE HOUSING FORWARD INITIATIVE. CURRENTLY, THE PLAN REVIEW BUILDING SAFETY AND CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT ARE UNDER-STAFFED. IT'S DIFFICULT TO KEEP UP WITH THE ASK FOR FORGIVENESS NOT FOR PERMISSION METHOD OF OPERATION PRACTICED BY MANY CONTRACTORS AND HOMEOWNERS. MY QUESTION IS, DOES THE CITY HAVE A PLAN FOR BETTER COMMUNICATION OF ZONING AND BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS TO PROTECT NEIGHBORHOODS FROM THIS POSSIBLE TRIPPING OF DENSITY IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS OF CONSISTENCY? ON THE CITY WEBSITE THE FAQ ON RESIDENTIAL REGERATIONS NOTES THAT THEY MAY BE LOCATED IN THE SIDE OF YOUR YARD PROVIDED THE ACCESSORY BUILDING IS NO CLOSER THAN TEN FEET TO A HOUSE OR LIVING QUARTERS AND NO CLOSER TO FIVE FEET. BUILDING CODES ALLOW YOU TO ENCROACH BUT THERE ARE REGULATIONS REGARDING TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION AND OPENINGS. I HAVE HAD THE EXPERIENCE OF TRYING TO EXPLAIN CONSTRUCTION TO AN APPLICANT THROUGH A TRANSLATOR AND I ASSURE YOU IT WAS LOST IN TRANSLATION. PLEASE CONSIDER AMENDMENTS TO O-22-54 THAT ENFORCE SETBACKS AND MAINTAIN A TEN-FOOT DISTANCE BETWEEN ALL BUILDINGS FOR FIRE SAFETY. >>COUN. DAVIS: HANG ON JUST A MINUTE. MS. WILSON, DID YOU ADD YOUR CAT TO THE ZOOM FOR US TODAY? >> ABSOLUTELY. I FIGURE YOU WANTED TO MEET MARLIN. >>COUN. DAVIS: THAT'S MARLIN? >> YEAH. >>COUN. DAVIS: I WILL SAY FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT MISSED IT JESSICA DIRE AT THE JOURNAL MANAGED TO GET A FRONT PAGE ABOUT MS. BLANCHERED'S CAT BRANDY THAT GRACES US DURING PUBLIC COMMENT. WE WERE JUST LAMENTING THAT WE DID NOT HAVE BRANDY ON THE AGENDA AND PATTY BROUGHT MARLIN. IT IS OUR NEW THING TO BRING YOUR CATS TO ZOOM. WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT TO GET OUR ATTENTION ON PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANKS. ALL RIGHT. >> THAT CONCLUDES GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN IS GOING TO START ENCOURAGING DOGS. PERHAPS. COUNCILORS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. WITH A LITTLE BIT OF AN ADJUSTMENT TO THE AGENDA AS YOU MENTIONED NO OTHER APPEALS OR APPROVALS. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO ITEM J WHICH IS R-98. THIS IS A QUASI-GENTIAL MATTER AND WE'LL GO TO THE REMAINDER OF FINAL ACTIONS. FOR THOSE OF YOU FOLLOWING ON THE AGENDA IT'S ITEM J. FOR THOSE OF YOU WITH YOUR PACKETS WE'RE GOING TO START ON PAGE 44 OF THE COUNCIL MEETING PACKET MEMO. BEFORE I DO THIS I WILL SAY R-23 IS A QUASI-JULTHS JUDICIAL REQUEST TO ALLOW THE STAFF OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK. IT WILL PROCEED AS FOLLOWS THE FIRST IT THE PLANNING STAFF WILL HAVE UP TO FIVE MINUTES FOR PRESENTATION. THE APPLICANTS PRESENTATION MAY LAST UP TO TEN MINUTES. THERE WILL BE TESTIMONY BY PUBLIC SPEAKERS IF THERE ARE ANY, THOUGH I DON'T BELIEVE THERE ARE. WE HAVE REBUTTAL BY THE APPLICANT FOR FIVE UP -- MINUTES. THERE MAY BE A CROSS EXAMINATION. AND FOR TWO MINUTES COMMENTS BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOR ANOTHER FIVE AND COUNCIL PLANNING STAFF IF THERE ARE ANY FOR FIVE MINUTES. FIRST, I'LL DO FOR R-98 WHICH AMENDING THE MASTER PLAN FOR MESA DEL SOL TO DESIGNATE 500 ACRE SITE FOR AN EMPLOYMENT CENTER. I MOVE A DO PASS. SEVERAL SECONDS. I SAW COUNCILOR JONES FIRST. AT THIS POINT I REMIND YOU THAT CITY STAFF AND THE APPLICANT MUST BE SWORN IN. IF YOU'RE SPEAKING AS STAFF OR APPLICANT PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND NOW. DO YOU AFFIRM UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY YOUR TESTIMONY WILL BE TRUE. >>COUN. DAVIS: I HEAR I DO FROM EVERYBODY. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. WOULD YOU GET US STARTED? >> SURE THING. IT LOOKS LIKE MY PRESENTATION IS UP. THIS IS R-23-98 WHICH PROPOSES TO AMEND THE LEVEL A COMMUNITY MASTER PLAN FOR MESA DEL SOL FOR 500 ACRES OF THE OVERALL SITE. THIS IS REGIONAL CONTEXT FOR WHERE IT'S LOCATED IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR. IT EXISTS IN SOUTHERN ALBUQUERQUE TO THE BORDER TO IT SOUTH. IT'S 13,000 ACRES IN TOTAL. BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE LEVEL A PLAN THAT LOOKS AT 500 OF THE ACRES. NEXT SLIDE. MESA DEL SOL IS REGULATED BY A SERIES OF PLAN BY THE LEVEL A PLAN AND LEVEL B PLAN AND C PLAN. IT'S A LARGER OVER ARCHING POLICY FOCUSED DOCUMENT THAT DOES ENCOMPASS ALL 13,000 ACRES AND ESTABLISHES USES AND THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK. THERE'S A LEVEL B PLAN THAT GETS INTO MORE DETAIL AND MORE SITE-SPECIFIC DETAILS WITHIN THAT GREATER CONTEXT OF THE LEVEL A AREA AND THERE'S LEVEL C PLANS WHICH ARE INCREDIBLY SITE-SPECIFIC AND CONSIDERED SITE DEVELOPMENT PLANS. TODAY, WHAT'S BEFORE THE COUNCIL IS ONLY AN AMENDMENT TO THE LEVEL A MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN. NEXT SLIDE. WITHIN THAT 13,000 ACRES YOU CAN SEE I HOPE YOU CAN SEE IT OKAY, THE AREA THAT IS PROPOSED TO BE AMENDED FROM TODAY IS CALLED A RESIDENTIAL LAND USE DESIGNATION. ALL OF THAT YELLOW COLORED AREA THAT YOU SEE ON THE MAP IS RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATION TODAY. PROPOSAL WHICH IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN IN THE RED CIRCLE PROPOSES TO MUB TO THAT PURPLE COLOR WHICH IS EMPLOYMENT CENTER DESIGNATION. NEXT SLIDE. THE INTENT BEHIND MOVING FROM THE RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATION TO EMPLOYMENT DESIGNATION IS TO INTRODUCE COMMERCIAL USES INTO THAT 500 ACRE AREA. WHAT I'M SHOWING ON THE SCREEN TODAY AND WHICH IS IN THE STAFF REPORT SHOWS THE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT ARE ALLOWED UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATION TODAY WHICH IS R1,, T, AND ALL OF THE ASSOCIATED USES WITHIN THOSE ZONES. MOVING FROM THAT TO THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER DESIGNATION WHICH TAKE AS FEW OF THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS OFF THE TABLE, NOT ALL OF THEM. BUT SOME OF THEM. AND INSTEAD ADDS AN ADDITION TO THE ZONES I JUST MENTIONED IT ALSO ADDS COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS SUCH AS MXM, MXM. AND ANY LAND USES WITHIN THE ZONING DISTRICTS AS ESTABLISHED WITHIN THE IDO. THE CITY COUNCIL IS THE FINAL DECISION-MAKING AUTHORITY ON THIS REQUEST WHICH IS A LITTLE OUT OF THE NORM. THIS APPLICATION WAS CONSIDERED UNDER A SITE PLAN EPC AND NORMALLY THE EPC IS THE FINAL DECISION MAKING BODY HOWEVER THEY'RE AMENDING AN EXISTING SITE PLAN THIS COUNCIL APPROVED THAT'S THE LEVEL A PLAN MORE THAN ADECADE AGO THE COUNCIL HAS TO BE THE FINAL DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY ON THE AMENDMENT. YOU WOULDN'T TYPICALLY SEE A SITE PLANNING APPLICATION COME BEFORE YOU BUT IF YOU'RE THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL YOU CONSIDER THE AMENDMENTS. THIS WAS CONSIDERED BY THE ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNING COMMISSION ON NOVEMBER 17th OF LAST YEAR. THEY HAD ONE MEETING ON THE MATTER AND THE APPLICANT PROVIDED PRESENTATION, AND PLANNING STAFF PROVIDED A PRESENTATION AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SPOKE. FOR A SITE PLAN EPC THERE ARE SEVEN PIECES OF CRITERIA. IF ALL THOSE SEVEN PIECES OF CRITERIA HAVE BEEN MET THE APPLICATION SHALL BE APPROVED. WHAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING TODAY IS WERE THOSE SEVEN CRITERIA ADEQUATELY JUSTIFIED BY THE APPLICANT. THE ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNING COMMISSION DETERMINED THEY WERE AND FORWARDED A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL. AT THAT EPC HEARING THE APPLICANT GAVE THEIR PRESENTATION, THE BODY TOOK PUBLIC COMMENT AND THERE WAS ONE PIECE OF PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE MEMBERS OF PUEBLO OF ISLETA WHO CITED CONCERNS OF MOVING FROM RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATION TO COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION BECAUSE THAT HAS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR INDUSTRIAL LAND USES. THERE'S TESTIMONY AT THAT EPC HEARING THERE WILL BE AN MOU BETWEEN MESA DEL SOL AND THE PUEBLO OF ISLETA TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION AS DEVELOPMENT CONTINUES AT MESA DEL SOL. I WAS REQUESTED TO REACH OUT TO THE PUEBLO TO ASK SINCE THAT EPC HEARING AND WHAT'S THE LEVEL OF COMFORT I DID DO THAT AND DID NOT GET A RESPONSE. I EMAILED AND CALLED THE REPRESENTATIVE THAT PROVIDED PUBLIC TESTIMONY AND I DID NOT HEAR BACK. I WILL ASK THE APPLICANT TO COMMENT FURTHER IF THEY HAD FURTHER CONVERSATION WITH THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE PUEBLO OF ISLETA. WITH THAT, I WILL STAND FOR QUESTIONS AND MR. CAMPBELL WILL GIVE IN-DEPTH PRESENTATION ON THE REQUEST. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANY QUESTIONS FOR PLANNING STAFF? SEEING NONE. MR. CAMPBELL, WE'LL LET YOU DIRECT THE NEXT SECTION. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT, CLRZ I'M THE CHIEF COUNSEL FOR MESA DEL SOL. THEY'RE THE LARGEST MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY IN NEW MEXICO. IT IS AS WAS JUST STATED 13,000 ACRES. AND LET ME DO A LITTLE OVERLAY IN ALBUQUERQUE TO SHOW YOU AND I DON'T HAVE A SLIDE ON THIS BUT IF YOU WOULD MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE ON THIS, THE 13,000 ACRES IF IT WAS OVERLAID ON THE NORTHEAST HEIGHTS OF ALBUQUERQUE THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY WOULD BE COMANCHE AND THE EASTERN BOUNDARY WOULD BE JUAN TABO. IT'S ROUGHLY AN AREA THAT ALBUQUERQUE HAS DEVELOPED AND FILLED IN OVER 70 YEARS SINCE WORLD WAR II. THIS IS A LONG-TERM PROJECT AND WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT IS MAKING LONG-TERM PLANS. THE LEVEL A THAT WAS DESIGNED 15 YEARS AGO, THIS WAS SENT TO THE PREMIER LAND USE ORGANIZATION IN THE U.S. A GROUP THAT DID NEW ARCHITECT AND HE SAID THAT WE WANT TO HAVE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT HUMAN SCALE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS NOT MASSIVE. WE WANT TO HAVE HOUSING DIVERSITY SO PEOPLE OF ALL DEMOGRAPHICS AND INCOME LEVELS CAN LIVE IN AND AROUND THE SAME PLACE. WE ALSO WANT TO HAVE A SUSTAINABLE INFRASTRUCTURE LONG BEFORE SUSTAINABILITY WAS COOL. AND WE ALSO WANT TO HAVE MIXED USE. WE WANT TO HAVE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN LIVE, WORK, PLAY, SHOP CREATE, AND ALL IN THE SAME AREA. WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED THAT WITH MESA DEL SOL. WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF CONTINUING THAT. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THIS SUBJECT SITE IS 500 ACRES ON THE VERY EDGE OF THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE EASTERN EDGE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. 15 YEARS AGO HOUSING DEVELOPERS SAID LET'S PUT THE ELDERLY IN THEIR OWN AREA. AND YOU KNOW HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS LIKE SUN CITY IN ARIZONA AND OTHER PLACES DEMONSTRATED THAT. THE VILLAGES IN FLORIDA. THINKING ABILITY HOW PEOPLE WANT TO BE HOUSED AND LIVE IN THEIR SENIOR YEARS HAS CHANGED. AND BEING A SENIOR NOW MYSELF I CAN TELL YOU THAT I WOULD MUCH PREFER TO LIVE NEAR AND NEARBY MY GRANDKIDS, MY KIDS, MY COFFEE SHOP AND YOGA STUDIO, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. THIS IS PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING IS MAKING A CHANGE TO WHAT WAS DONE 15 YEARS AGO FOR GOOD REASONS. OUR PROPOSED MASTER AMENDMENT HERE IS TO CHANGE THIS SITE ON THE FAR EASTERN EDGE OF MESA DEL SOL TO ALIGN WITH THE EMPLOYMENT AREA. THAT ALSO ALIGNS NICELY WITH THE ALBUQUERQUE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT WE SEE OCCURRING. NETFLIX, AS YOU KNOW, HAS GROWN FROM 30 ACRES TO 330 ACRES. IF YOU GO OUT THERE TODAY IT HAS A COUPLE CRANES UP AND SEVERAL BUILDINGS COMING OUT OF THE EARTH. IT'S A FABULOUS DEVELOPMENT. WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS THAT SPURS ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT WE NEED NEARBY. SO, PART OF THIS IS TO MEET THAT NEED OF EMPLOYMENT. AS SHE ALSO POINTED OUT IT'S NOT EXCLUSIVELY EMPLOYMENT BECAUSE YOU CAN PUT HOUSING IN THIS DESIGNATION. USUALLY HIGHER DENSITY HOUSING. I WILL SAY THAT HAVING 500 ACRES OF EMPLOYMENT LAND CAN BE VERY ATTRACTIVE IN THE RECRUITMENT OF COMPANIES TO ALBUQUERQUE SO WE CAN PLAN THIS CONSISTENTLY AND MAKE IT A VERY ATTRACTIVE SITE. WE'RE TRYING TO ALIGN WITH LARGER TRENDS ABOUT IMMIGRATING HOUSING TOGETHER WITH THE WEST OF THE COMMUNITY. AND WE HAVE A LOT ACREAGE. WE ANTICIPATE 37,500 RESIDENTS IN MESA DEL SOL BY THE TIME OF FULL BUILD OUT. WHICH MEANS WE HAVE PLACES FOR 55-PLUS AND ALL DEMOGRAPHICS AND INCOME GROUPS. THIS AMENDMENT IS NEEDED. IT'S WELL-SUITED TO EXPANSION OF THE ADJACENT EMPLOYMENT CENTER AND WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL. BEFORE I TURNED IT OVER, I DID NOT BRING MY CAT OR MY DOG TONIGHT BUT I DID BRING WILL GLEESEN WHO IS AN OUTSTANDING URBAN ARCHITECT AND URBAN PLANNER AND WILL IS WITH THE FIRM OF REPAIR WHO WORKED WITH THIS ON THIS AND WORKED IN MESA DEL SOL FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. IN LIEU -- >>COUN. DAVIS: YOU KNOW I LOVE CATS . >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCIL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AS DAVID SAID I HAVE WORKED ON MESA DEL SOL FOR MOST OF THE CAREER AND I BELIEVE I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THE CRITERIA VERY QUICKLY FOR YOUR FINAL DECISION. NEXT SLIDE. NEXT SLIDE. LET'S GO ONE MORE. HE TALKED ABOUT THIS. LET'S GO ONE MORE SLIDE. KEEP GOING. TO THE CRITERIA. HERE WE GO. WITH THE PLAN IT ALIGNS WITH THE GOALS FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WITH COMPLETE COMMUNITIES AND BALANCE OF JOBS AND HOUSING. AND AS HE SAID THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM OUT THERE FOR OTHER HOUSING TO BE BUILT. THIS DOES FOUGHT DETRACT FOR THE NEED FOR MORE HOUSING. I THINK THERE'S GOOD ALIGNMENT. NEXT SLIDE. THE QUESTION OF THE ALIGNMENT WITH THE IDO AND THE PLANNED COMMUNITY ZONING, I THINK THIS FITS IN WITH THE LEVEL A GOALS AND OBJECTIVES. IT WILL ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF THE RESIDENTIAL VILLAGES ADJACENT TO THERE AND MEETS THE OVERALL PRINCIPLES FOR THE MESA DEL SOL MASTER PLAN. AND ONE MORE SLIDE FOR YOU. ABOUT MITIGATING ADVERSE IMPACTS THIS IS MORE THAN TWO MILES FROM THE PUEBLO OF ISLETA. IT IS BUFFERED BY A ONE MILE BUFFER BEFORE YOU GET TO KIRTLAND AIR FORCE BASE AND UNIVERSITY BOULEVARD ACTS AS A NATURAL BUFFER FROM THE RESIDENTIAL WHICH IS REALLY NOT THAT CLOSE TO THIS AREA NOW. THE USES THAT ARE PERMISSIVE HERE ARE TIED TO WHAT WAS THE OLD ZONING, THE IP ZONING. IT'S SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FROM NRBT BUT ANYTHING THAT IS DONE OF A MANUFACTURING HAS TO BE DONE WITHIN AN ENCLOSED SPACE. I THINK ISLETA PUEBLO, SOME OF THE CONCERNS WERE THINGS LIKE CONCRETE PLANS AND THOSE ARE NOT PROPOSED HERE. WE THINK, PLUS, MESA DEL SOL WILL PERMIT USES COMPATIBLE WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT AS WELL. I THINK THAT THE IMPACT ARE VERY MINIMAL IN TERMS OF THE SURROUNDING AREA. AND AS FAR AS THE LAST SLIDE, COMMUNITY OUTREACH, AS DAVID SAID WE HAD A MEETING EARLIER THIS YEAR AND WE HAVE HAD CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE PUEBLOS OF ISLETA AND THAT MOU IS MOVING FORWARD. WITH THAT, I'LL STAND FOR QUESTIONS. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCILORS FOR THE APPLICANTS? COUNCILOR LEWIS. I MEAN COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I JUST HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS. I KNOW YOU DID AN OVERLAY OF THE SIZE OF MESA DEL SOL. WHAT IS AN OVERLAY FOR THE SIZE OR EXAMPLE IN REFERENCE TO THE ACTUAL PROJECT SITE. THE ACTUAL AMENDMENT SITE. WHAT I'M SAYING IS LIKE, HOW MUCH AREA IS GOING TO ENCOMPASS BASED ON YOUR EXAMPLE OF STREETS AND ROADS AND HOW BIG OF AN AREA IS IT? >> COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, I THINK -- I'M NOT EXACT ON THESE NUMBERS BUT I CAN PICTURE IT BEING SOMEWHAT EQUIVALENT TO THE UNM CAMPUS. NORTH, CENTRAL, AND PORTIONS OF SOUTH CAMPUS. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. WHERE IS IT IN REFERENCE TO THE NETFLIX SITE? HOW FAR AWAY? >> WE CAN PULL UP MAYBE MY SECOND SLIDE. IN RELATION TO NETFLIX IT IS STILL A -- YET AGAIN, ABOUT WITHIN A HALF MILE. AT ITS CLOSEST POINT IT'S WITHIN A HALF MILE. THE NETFLIX SITE ON THIS MAP YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS -- YOU SEE THERE'S A YELLOW STRIPE THAT GOES THROUGH THERE, AT THE FAR EASTERN END OF THE YELLOW STRIPE IS THE TOWN CENTER AREA WHERE NETFLIX IS. AND IT'S JUST SOUTH OF THAT IN THE FIRST QUADRANT OF YELLOW. IT'S ACTUALLY CLOSER THAN A HALF-MILE. THE IMPORTANT THING IS IT'S ALREADY SERVED BY INFRASTRUCTURE. AT LEAST PLANNED INFRASTRUCTURE. WE KNOW WHERE THE ROAD WAYS ARE AND THE WATER PIPES AND THE DRY UTILITIES. IN THAT AREA. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: IF I'M LOOKING AT THE MAP CORRECTLY, MR. PRESIDENT, WHAT I'M SEEING IS I'M SEEING IS IT'S MORE OR LESS TOWARD THE OUTH EAST OF THE CITY? AND NETFLIX IS MORE TOWARD THE NORTH SIDE OF ALL OF MESA DEL SOL? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EMPLOYMENT AREA AND YOU MENTIONED THERE COULD BE MANUFACTURE. DOES THAT MEAN LARGE TRUCKS ARE GOING TO BE DRIVING THROUGH THE ACTUAL ALREADY DEVELOPED AREAS WHICH MAY INCLUDE THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THAT KIND OF THING? IS THERE ANOTHER WAY IN AND OUT THAT MAKES MORE SENSE THAT WE'RE NOT SEEING? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, GREAT QUESTION. AND THE MASTER PLAN ANTICIPATES THAT THERE WILL BE LARGER, WIDER ROADWAYS THAT WILL SERVE THE EMPLOYMENT AREA. NOTABLY RIGHT NOW UNIVERSITY BOULEVARD WHICH IS GOING TO A FOUR-LANE ROAD WHICH IS THE BOUNDARY TOWARD THE RSIDENTIAL AND EMPLOYMENT AREA AND THAT WOULD BE THE CASE AS YOU GO SOUTH AND JOIN THIS AREA. YES, IT'S ROUGHLY A FOUR-LANE ROAD. LET'S CALL IT A TRAMWAY BOULEVARD KIND OF ROAD OR GOLF COURSE ROAD ON THE WEST SIDE THAT WILL TRAVERSE THESE AND SEPARATE THE USES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: OKAY. I JUST WAS CURIOUS ABOUT LARGE TRUCKS ARE GOING TO BE DRIVING STRAIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF TOWN, SO TO SPEAK AND HAVING TO GET TO THE UNIVERSITY AREA TO GET ON THE FREEWAY AND DO THEIR BUSINESS. I HAVE SIMILAR ISSUES WHERE ON THE WEST SIDE WHERE WE HAVE SOME DEVELOPMENTS GOING ON AND WE HAVE SMALL RESIDENTIAL ROADS THAT HAVE TO BE NAVIGATED BY LARGE TRUCKS AND WE HAVE TO FIND WAYS TO MAKE SURE THOSE TRUCKS ARE NOT TURNING OR ACTUALLY OCCUPYING THOSE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS OR AREAS. SO, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN HERE. >> IF I MIGHT, ONE OF THE ANTICIPATED INFRASTRUCTURE ELEMENTS THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON FOR SOME TIME IS A NEW INTERCHANGE AND PERHAPS TWO INTERCHANGES LONG I-25. MESA DEL SOL BOULEVARD THAT WOULD BEAPPROXIMATELY A MILE SOUTH OF BOBBY FOSTER ROAD BUT ALSO THE RIO BRAVO INTERCHANGE. WE DO ANTICIPATE WE'LL HAVE TO BUILD OR IN THE PROCESS OF DESIGNING ALONG WITH THE STATE INTERCHANGES ON I-25 THAT WILL TAKE GREATER TRAFFIC AND ROUTE IT IN WAYS SENSITIVE TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: MY LAST QUESTION IS WHAT'S IT TIMETABLE IN HAVING A BIG MANUFACTURING PLACE VERSUS HAVING THE EXITS WE NEED? >> WELL -- >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THERE'S -- IS THERE A BIG DIFFERENCE IN THE TIMEFRAME? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. THESE THINGS NEED TO BE TIMED IN SUCH A WAY THEY WILL HAPPEN SO THAT THEY'LL BE USEFUL. AS WE GET GREATER POPULATION THERE, MORE JOBS THAN WE HAVE MOAT VAGDZ -- MOTIVATION TO HAVE WIDER ROADS HAPPENING. PART OF THE REASON I GAVE YOU THE OVERLAY ABOUT ALBUQUERQUE IS IT'S A VERY LARGE AREA OF OUR CITY. AND IT'S TAKEN US A LONG TIME TO DEVELOP THESE. AT THE LEVEL A WHERE YOU'RE DOING THE 30,000-FOOT LOOK AT THIS, WE WILL BE DOING LEVEL B, LEVEL C ALONG WITH PLANNING STAFF ALONG WITH TO THE EXTENT THAT CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO GET INVOLVED ALONG WITH CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE ALL OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENTS HAPPEN AND THEY'RE TIMED APPROPRIATELY. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A GOOD SEPARATION BETWEEN SOME OF THE NICE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE UP THERE, VERY NICE NEIGHBORHOODS, AND ALSO MAKING SURE THAT LATER ON WITH TIME THAT THEY'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT MAJOR TRUCKS DRIVING RUTH -- RIGHT THROUGH THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. SO, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN COMMITTEE. I WANT MORE INFORMATION WITH THE MOU WITH THE ISLETA PUEBLO. I WAS DISAPPOINTED WE DIDN'T HEAR BACK FROM THEM. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR MORE DETAILS ON WHAT SPECIFIC ISSUES THEY HAD AND THE TIMELINE FOR THAT MOU. >> WE'RE IN THE PROCESS THAT LAWYERS DO WHICH IS TO PASS DOCUMENTS BACK AND FORTH. THAT'S INDEED WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. WE'RE WORKING ON A GOOD NEIGHBOR CONSULTATION ADVICE AND CONSENT MOU. THEY DID RAISE CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT THIS DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS MILES FROM THEM COULD MEAN FOR THEIR FUTURE AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT TO BE A BONA FIDE CONCERN. AS YOU SEE EVERY CHANGE WE HAVE TO MAKE HAS TO GO THROUGH SOME FORMAL PROCESS OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE AND WE'LL BE MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF THAT AS WE'RE MAKING THESE KINDS OF CHANGES. THE OTHER THING ABOUT A MASTER PLAN IS IT SETS IN PLACE THE KINDS OF USES THAT ARE PRESENTLY ALLOWED. IN ORDER TO GET THEM CHANGED, AS YOU SEE TONIGHT, WE'RE GOING THROUGH AN ELABORATE QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCESS TO DO THAT IN WHICH THEY CAN PARTICIPATE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU FOR THAT ANSWER. I AGREE THERE'S A LENGTHY PROCESS FOR CHANGES, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT IS NOT A PROCESS THAT THE PUEBLO IS INVOLVED IN. AND THEY ARE GOOD NEIGHBORS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE MOU IS GOING TO HAVE SOME LANGUAGE AND THAT IS ADVISE AND CONSENT NOT JUST WE'RE GOING TO LET YOU KNOW WHEN WE'RE DOING THINGS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING TRIBAL CONSULTATION ON THIS ISSUE. >> THE INTENT, MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR, THE INTENT OF THE MOU IS TO MAKE SURE THERE IS CONSULTATION AND ADVICE RUNNING BOTH WAYS. AND THE MUTUALITY OF THIS IS IMPORTANT. THIS IS OUR SOVEREIGN IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. THIS COUNCIL WHICH IS THE ZONING AUTHORITY FOR US, AND WE DON'T PRESUME TO MAKE OR CREATE YET ANOTHER APPROVAL PROCESS THAT WOULD BE EXTRA JUDICIAL. THAT WOULD NOT REFLECT THE MASTER PLAN OR THE KIND OF THINGS WE WILL DO WITH OUR SOVEREIGN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WE ALSO HAVE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE NOT PART OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE AND OUR ACTIONS CAN IMPACT THEM. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE INCLUDING THAT CONSULTATION WITH OUR NEIGHBORS. IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME AND WE HAVE NOT IN THE PAST DONE THAT TYPE OF TRIBAL CONSULTATION, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WE DO THAT ON ALL PROJECTS THAT IMPACT OUR SOVEREIGN FRIENDS. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, COUNCILORS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? AT THIS POINT WE HAVE TESTIMONY BY THE PUBLIC SPEAKERS. WE DON'T HAVE ANY SIGNED UP, THAT'S CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >>COUN. DAVIS: YOU GET ANOTHER FIVE MINUTES, IF YOU SO CHOOSE, ACCORD TO THE AGENDA. >> WE REST. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: WISE DECISION. IT WOULD NORMALLY SOME TYPE OF CROSS EXAMINATION. COMMENTS BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. DIRECTOR VARELA? >> THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH MESA DEL SON ON THIS. IT'S UNANIMOUSLY SUPPORTED AT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. IT WAS ALSO SUPPORTED BY THE EPC. WE DON'T WANT TO STAND IN THE WAY OF SENSIBLE PROGRESS. WE HAD ONE CONCERN WHICH WAS ADDRESSED. WE SAID THERE'S A BALANCE BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL NUMBER OF FOLKS THAT CAN LIVE OUT THERE ASK THE NUMBER OF JOBS THAT ARE GOING TO BE OUT THERE. HOW IS THAT MAINTAINED, AND THEY SAID THAT'S QUITE SIMPLE. I BELIEVE MR. CAMPBELL HAS ALLUDED TO THAT SEVERAL TIMES SAYING THEY CAN INCREASE THE DENSITY OF OTHER HOUSING PROJECTS. WE'RE MYLY SATISFIED WITH THAT. WE'RE 100% IN FAVOR OF THE COUNCIL PASSING RESOLUTION. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR WHILE WE HAVE HIM? MS. SHULTZ. >> I DON'T HAVE CLOSING COMMENTS. I STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. MY ONLY COMMENT IS I HEARD MR. CAMPBELL MENTION THEY WERE ENGAGED WITH THE PREMIER LAND USE AUTHORITY AND I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT WAS US AT THIS COUNCIL BUT I AM DON'TED TO HEAR IT'S NOT. THE MOTION IS FOR A DO PASS. WE'LL ASK THE CLERK TO PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: CONGRATULATIONS, GENTLEMAN. THAT ITEM IS CONCLUDED. WE'RE BACK ON OUR NORMAL ACTION ITEMS. WHICH FOR US WILL BE ITEM B, COUNCILOR GROUT. O-61. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. O-61 IS ADOPTING A NEW ARTICLE IN CHAPTER 13 OF THE REVISED ORDINANCES OF ALBUQUERQUE, 1994 TO BE KNOWN AS THE SECOND HAND CATALYTIC CONVERTER PURCHASE ORDINANCE. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. DAVIS: SEVERAL SECONDS. I SAW COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN FIRST. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. CAN I TALK ABOUT THE AMENDMENT? OKAY. I HAVE A COUPLE OF AMENDMENTS. FIRST OF ALL I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH A WONDERFUL STAFF ASK STAKEHOLDERS FOR THE LAST SIX MONTHS OR A LITTLE BIT LONGER. AND WE DEFINITELY HAVE A PROBLEM. IT'S VERY INTERESTING HOW PEOPLE REACH OUT TO US AND WE FIND THAT THERE'S MORE PEOPLE HAVING BEEN AFFECTED BY THIS THEFT, THIS TYPE OF THEFT THAN NOT. I KNOW WE'RE ON TO SOMETHING. AND THEN UP IN THE LEGISLATURE THEY ALSO HAVE AN ORDINANCE WORK IN THERE FOR LAW THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THROUGH. IT UNANIMOUSLY PASSED THROUGH THE SENATE. SENATE BILL 133. IT PASSED THROUGH TWO COMMITTEES. AND THE FULL SENATE. WE WERE ABLE TO LOBBY UP THERE AND ASK THEM TO CHANGE IT SO WE WOULD ALSO BE ABLE TO REPORT THE SECOND HAND METAL DEALERS WOULD BE ABLE TO REPORT THEIR INFORMATION WHICH WILL BE REALLY HELPFUL TO APD. I'M THRILLED ABOUT THAT. NOW IT'S GOING TO THE HOUSE SIDE AND HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE LAW. THAT MAKES ME VERY HAPPY. WE'VE ALSO BEEN WORKING WITH THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. WE KNOW WE'RE WORKING ON THE COUNTY SIDE AS WELL. IN DOING SO, WE FOUND THAT THE LAW THAT WILL BE PASSED ONE DAY, HOPEFULLY, AT THE STATE LEVEL CANNOT HAVE -- BE MORE STRINGENT THAN AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. ONE OF THE THINGS WE FOUND WAS THUM PRINTS WILL NOT BE AT THE STATE LEVEL. WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE THAT OUT OF THERE. TALK TO THE SECONDHAND METAL DEALERS THEY ASKED THIS BE TAKEN OUT. WITH THAT RESPECTFULLY TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER A FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. ON PAGE THREE LINE 15 WE STRIKE SUBSECTION B AND C, AND RENUMBER SUBSUBSEQUENT -- WE'LL BE TAKING OUT B WHICH WOULD BE A CLEAR DISCERNIBLE COLOR STILL IMAGE OF THE SELLER THAT CLEARLY DEPICTS A FULL FACE VIEW OF THE PERSON OR STILL FRAME FROM VIDEO SURVEILLANCE CAMERA. AND TAKING OUT A CLEAR LEGIBLE THUMB PRIN -- PRINT. THE EXPLANATION AT THE REQUEST OF THE METAL DEALERS THIS PROPOSES TO AMEND THE RECORD KEEPING REQUIREMENTS TO MAKE THEM LESS BURDENSOME. THEY WOULD NO LONGER BE REQUIRED TO OBTAIN THUMB FRONT OF INDIVIDUALS SELLING SECOND HAND CONVERTERS. AND IN SECTION TWO B PROPOSES TO AMEND TO ALLOW LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO IMPOSE RECORDING REQUIREMENTS ON SECOND-HAND METAL DEALERS REGARDING THE ACQUISITION AS LONG AS THEY'RE NO LONGER MORE STRONGANT THAN REGULATED MATERIALS PURSUANT TO THE SALE OF RECYCLED METALS ACT. ONCE THAT BILL IS PASSED AT THE STATE LEGISLATURE I INTEND TO AMEND THIS ORDINANCE TO REQUIRE REPORTING TO APD'S LEADS ONLINE DATABASE. I NEED A SECOND. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE HAVE A MOTION FOR FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. IS THERE A SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. WE HAVE A SECOND FLOOR AMENDMENT WE LIKE TO OFFER. ON PAGE THREE LINE SEVEN WE WOULD LIKE TO INSERT WHERE IT SAYS THE RECORD SHALL BE PRESERVED FOR A PERIOD OF ONE YEAR FROM THE DATE OF THE SECOND HAND CATALYTIC CONVERTER WAS PURCHASED. THIS EXPLANATION IS THE AMENDMENT EXPLAINS HOW THE LONG THE DEALER MUST RETAIN THE PURCHASE RECORDS REQUIRED BY THIS ORDINANCE. ONE YEAR TIME FRAME MATCHES THE RETENTION PERIOD REQUIRED BY THE STATE. >>COUN. DAVIS: THERE'S A MOTION FOR FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. IS THERE A SECOND? COUNCILOR JONES WITH THE SECOND. COUNCILOR GROUT TO FURTHER. >>COUN. GROUT: URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. COUNCILORS, WE'RE BACK ON THE BILL AS AMENDED AM . WE ARE ONE PERSON SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. DO YOU WANT TO GO TO COMMENT OR DEBATE? >>COUN. GROUT: GO TO COMMENT. >> OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS BILL SCLITER ON ZOOM. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT TONIGHT REGARDING THE CATALYTIC CONVERTER PURCHASE ORDINANCE. THE PRICES OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS HAS CREATED SO MUCH UNDUE HARDSHIP ON THOSE AFFECTED. I PERSONALLY LIKE TO SHARE ACTUAL FACTS THAT RESULTED FROM THEFT AT A COMPANY I RECENTLY RETIRED FROM. OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS, WE HAD 16 CATALYTIC CONVERTERS STOLEN. THE COST OF THOSE 16 TO GET REPLACED WAS $26,000. WE HAD TO ADD SECURITY AT NIGHT TO PATROL PARKING LOTS WHERE THE VEHICLES WERE PARKED. THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL $43,000. DAMAGED GATES AND FENCES THEY WOULD VANDALIZED TO GET INTO THE STORAGE AREA, ANOTHER $5,000. IN TOTAL THAT'S $74,000 IN THREE YEARS. THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE THE COST OF LOST RENTAL VEHICLES, ET CETERA. THE COST OF A CATALYTIC CONVERTER IS SO LOW IT'S NOT WORTH TURNING INTO AN INSURANCE COMPANY ONLY TO HAVE YOUR RATES RAISED OR CANCELED. WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT CURRENTLY CHALLENGED WITH MUCH MORE VIOLENT CRIME IT MAKES COMPLETE SENSE TO SUPPORT AN ORDINANCE THAT REDUCES AND REMOVES THE CRIMINAL'S AUTHORITY TO SELL THE CATALYTIC CONVERTERS. THANK YOU. >> THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'RE BACK TO THE SPONSOR. I KNOW YOU HAVE DPESS AND WE'LL GO TO OTHER COUNCILORS. >>COUN. GROUT: WE HAVE TWO PRESENTATION PEOPLE. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER. I THINK WE'VE ALL EXPERIENCED THIS. I KNOW THAT WE'VE ALL RECEIVED CONSTITUENT CALLS ABOUT IT. IT'S A REAL PROBLEM. I HOPE THIS WILL FLOW -- SLOW THE CRIMINAL'S EFFORT TO STEAL, A LITTLE BIT. I HOPE SO. I DO KNOW THAT ONE OF THE -- I HAVE TWO GOALS. I'M HOPING IT WILL MAKE THE RISK HIGHER FOR THE CRIMINAL WHO STRIE TO STEAL THEM AND SELL THEM. I ALSO WANTED TO PROTECT THE SCRAP METAL DEALERS FROM UNKNOWINGLY BEING A PARTICIPANT IN CRIME. THAT IS SOMETHING ELSE. WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE AUTORECYCLERS ASSOCIATION, APD CRIME UNIT, THE SCRAP METAL DEALERS. I'M HOPING THIS WILL HELP APD BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY SOME OF THESE THIEVES AND SLOW THE PROCESS SO WE CAN MOVE TO OTHER THINGS. I DO URGE YOUR SUPPORT, EVERYONE. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS. REGARDING THE STATE BILL, ARE WE PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE? >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: I DON'T THINK SO. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE STATE BILL IS THAT IT OPENS UP THE CITY'S ABILITY TO REQUIRE REPORTING OF INFORMATION INTO A DATABASE LIKE LEADS ONLINE. CURRENTLY THE CITY IS NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT. THIS ALLOWS RECORDING KEEPING AND A LOGBOOK THAT EXISTS IN THE BUSINESS'S COMPUTER IN SOME FORM. TWO DISTINCT PROCESSES. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I STILL THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE EVEN THOUGH WE THINK IT PASSES THE STATE. IF IT DOESN'T WILL WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THIS? >> COUNCILOR BASSAN, YES. RIGHT NOW THE STATE DOES NOT LIMIT THE CITY'S ABILITY TO IMPOSE RECORD-KEEPING REQUIREMENTS. >>COUN. BASSAN: OKAY. THANK YOU. MR. PRESIDENT, SO, I HAVE TO COLLECT ALL MY THOUGHTS. WHEN YOU SAID YOU'RE HOPING, COUNCILOR GROUT, TO INCREASE THE RISK FOR THE CRIMINAL I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH THAT. HOW THIS IS GOING TO DO THAT? IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S INCREASING THE WORKLOAD FOR THE SECOND-HAND DEALER AND THEIR POTENTIAL FOR GETTING CAUGHT PURCHASING STOLEN PROPERTY. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR BASSAN. KEEPING RECORDS WHO BRINGS IT IN, THAT WILL HELP KEEP TRACK OF WHO'S COMING IN. PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BE COMING IN TO SELL THEM -- IF YOU BRING IN A CATALYTIC CONVERTER TO SELL, I SHOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM GIVING YOU MAY -- MY NAME, PHONE NUMBER, WHERE I LIVE, IF I'M DOING IT LEGITIMATELY. IF WILL HOPEFULLY SLOW THE BAD GUY DOWN FROM WANTING TO DO THAT. >>COUN. BASSAN: WHAT'S TO STOP THE BAD GUY FROM TAKING THE VIN NUMBER OFF THE SAME TYPE OF VEHICLE? >>COUN. GROUT: MORE THAN LIKELY THEY'RE NOT TAKING NOTES ON WHAT CATALYTIC CONVERTER THEY'RE TAKING THEM OFF AND GOING THAT FAR. >>COUN. BASSAN: IT'S STILL POSSIBLE. >>COUN. GROUT: IT IS POSSIBLE. WE HAVE TO TRY SOMETHING. >>COUN. BASSAN: WE'VE HEARD LAW ENFORCEMENT IS CHALLENGED WITH VIOLENT CRIME AND TACKLING THAT BIG ISSUE. I'M WONDERING IF APD WANTS TO SPEAK TO IT. I'M WONDERING HOW THIS IS GOING TO REDUCE THE WORKLOAD OF APD HAVING TO GO AND WORK TOWARD SOLVING VIOLENT CRIME. I REALIZE CATALYTIC CONVERTERS IS VERY SIGNIFICANT. I REALIZE THAT THE THEFT OF A WHOLE CAR IS SIGNIFICANT. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO HEAR FROM APD WHERE OUR CURRENT STATS FOR WHERE WE STAND IN THE COUNTRY OF MOTOR THEFT IN ALBUQUERQUE. I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S STILL HIGH. WHEN SOMEBODY TAKES MY WHOLE CAR, I'M JUST HAVING A PROBLEM SEEING HOW PUTTING THE BURDEN ON A SECOND-HAND METAL DEALERS AND PUTTING THESE RESTRICTIONS IN AND DUPLICATING WHAT IS A LAW SAYING WE ALREADY HAVE LAW SAYING YOU CAN'T BUY STOLEN PROPERTY WE HAVE A LAW SAYING YOU CAN'T STEAL PROPERTY IF YOU DO YOU SHOULD GET PENALIZED. WE'RE DUPLICATING EFFORTS AND IN ADDITION TO THAT WE'RE GOING TO DUPLICATE MORE EFFORTS IF THE STATE PASSES THEIR BILL. IF WE MAY, MR. PRESIDENT, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHERE ALBUQUERQUE IS IN THE COUNTRY WHEN IT COMES TO AUTOMOTIVE THEFT AND ALSO HOW IS THIS GOING TO REDUCE THE BURDEN AND ALLOW APD TO FOCUS ON SOLVING MORE VIOLENT CRIME WHEN NOW WE'RE TASKING THEM TO GO WALK INTO THE FACILITIES TO DO PERIODIC AND RANDOM CHECKS. >>COUN. GROUT: LET'S HAVE THE EXPERTS RESPOND. >>COUN. DAVIS: IF APD WANTS TO RESPOND. >> MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. AS FAR AS SPEAKING FOR THE OFFICE, I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFIC NUMBERS OF THE AMOUNT OF VEHICLES AS FAR AS NATION WIDE WHAT RANKING WE'RE AT. AS YOU HIT ON OR INDICATED THAT IN THE AUTOTHEFT WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS THE TREND OF VEHICLES BEING STOLEN AND TEARING THEM APART AND FOR THE MORE EXPENSIVE PRODUCTS WHICH IS THE CATALYTIC CONVERTERS. THEY'RE STEALING MOTOR PARTS AND BREAKING DOWN THE VEHICLES. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE ACTUAL ONLINE PROGRAMS FOR THE CATALYTIC CONVERTERS SOMETHING THE PRESIDENT HIT WAS TALKING ABOUT WHAT ABOUT WHEN AN INDIVIDUAL COMING IN WITH SIX DIFFERENT CONVERTERS DO THEY HAVE A REASON TO BRING IN SEX CON THERE'S CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE THAT ABILITY LIKE SCRAP YARDS THAT WOULD BE REASONABLE TO BRING IN SIX DIFFERENT CONVERTERS. IF YOU'RE AVERAGE JOE, WHERE DO YOU GET THOSE FROM? WHEN IT COMES TO THE SECONDHAND DEALER THOSE RECORDS HELP US TREMENDOUSLY. WE'RE GETTING IDENTIFICATION ON OFFENDERS BRINGING IN THESE PRODUCTS AND GETTING GOOD LEADS FOR THE CRIME UNITS. WITH THE THEFT GOING ON, THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME TYPE OF ORGANIZATION AND THAT WILL HELP US GET TO THAT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I'M WONDERING -- HOW IS THIS GOING TO REDUCE THE WORKLOAD SO APD CAN FOCUS ON MORE VIOLENT CRIME? >> I'M THE INTERIM DEPUTY COMMANDER FOR THE SPECIAL INVESTIGATION SECTION. I OVERSEE ORGANIZED CRIME AND AUTOTHEFT UNIT. FOR AUTOTHEFT ON THE LAST NUMBERS WE'RE NUMBER FOUR IN THE NATION. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE HAVE AN INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE. WE'RE LIMITED WITH STAFFING BUT WE'VE ADDED CIVILIAN PROFESSIONAL STAFF TO THE ORGANIZED CRIME UNIT. THIS STAFF IS DOING THE SECOND-HAND DEALER INSPECTIONS AND THEY'RE ABLE TO DO METAL INSPECTIONS. WE CAN USE THOSE PERSONNEL FOR A LOT OF THIS WORK AND WHEN WE DO FIND TROUBLING TRENDS OR ORGANIZED GROUPS DOING THIS THEY'RE GOING TO ALERT THE DETECTIVES AND THEY CAN FOCUS ON THE CRIMINAL ASPECT OF THAT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THESE CRIMES ARE INTERCONNECTED. PEOPLE STEALING VEHICLES AND HAVING NARCOTIC ISSUES, AND WE'RE SEEING VIOLENT CRIMES FROM THIS THEFT TOO. PEOPLE ARE CATCHING THEM. GUNS GET POINTED AT THEM. WE HAVE ASSAULT CASES POP-UP FROM THAT. IT'S VERY CONNECTED. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I SPOKE WITH THE COMMANDER TODAY. I AM ALL IN FAVOR OF SUPPORTING FINDING SOME WAY TO ETCH CATALYTIC CONVRTZ. I'M ABOUT TO SPRAY PAINT TONIGHT WHEN I GET HOME AND FIND A WAY TO ETCH IT. I THINK IT GOES SIMILAR TO THE PAWNBROKERS ORDINANCE. I STRUGGLE WITH THE FACT WE'RE GOING TO TRACK PEOPLE WHEN WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO TRACK THEM ONE WAY BUT NOT ANOTHER WAY. I THINK THIS IS PUTTING AN UNDUE BURDEN ON PEOPLE. I WANT TO BRING UP THE LEGISLATIVE FINANCE COMMITTEE SAID THAT DUPLICATING LAWS DON'T ACTUALLY REDUCE CRIME. ITES THE ENFORCEMENT THAT DOES. I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THIS IS NOT DUEPLICATIVE AND HOW WE EXPECT DIFFERENT RESULTS. I UNDERSTAND THERE'S CERTAIN NUANCES. BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO INCREASE OUR ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS WHEN WE'RE ALREADY OUT THERE DOING WHAT WE CAN DO ENFORCE THE LAW. WHEN WE SPOKE EARLIER, COUNCILOR GROUT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUDGES. THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. IT'S NOT CREATING AN ORDINANCE THAT THE JUDGES FOLLOW THAT. I THINK WE NEED TO FOCUS ON MOTOR THEFT. AND DRUG ADDICTION. AND WE NEED TO FOCUS ON ALL OF THAT. I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS WE NEED TO BRING IN AN ORDINANCE THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO SELL POWER TOOLS, OR SELL -- AND I KNOW THIS BRINGS BACK PAWNBROKERS, BUT COPPER WIRES, POWER TOOLS, JULIE, STOLEN VEHICLE, THE LIST GOES ON AND ON, THE POINT IS PEOPLE ARE STEALING STUFF AND THEY SHOULDN'T. PEOPLE ARE STEALING STUFF AND IT'S AGAINST THE LAW. WE SHOULD ENFORCE THE LAWS. I KNOW YOU'RE DOING THE BEST YOU THIS MAY BE A TOOL I MAY EAT CROW ON, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS HARD TO SUPPORT BECAUSE IT'S SPINNING WHEELS AND ADDING UNDUE BURDEN WITH LESS GUARANTEED RESULT WITH THE EFFICIENCY OF SOLVING AND MINIMIZING THE ORIGINAL PROBLEM TO BEGIN WITH. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR BASSAN. COUNCILOR GROUT, IF YOU WANT TO RESPOND WE HAVE COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN AND COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. GROUT: I RESPECT YOUR POSITION. THANK YOU. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS. YOU WORKED WITH THE SECOND-HAND DEALERS WHEN WORKING WITH THIS LANGUAGE? OKAY, THANK YOU. AND JUST AS SOMEONE WHO SPENT A LOT OF TIME AT THE STATE LEGISLATURE, WE HAVE NO IDEA IF THE BILL IS GOING TO PASS THE STATE LEGISLATURE. I'VE HAD MANY, MANY BILLS I THOUGHT WERE GOING TO PASS AND THEY DO NOT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IF THAT STATE LAW DOESN'T PASS THIS IS OUR FALLBACK. THIS WILL LET US DO SOMETHING ON THIS ISSUE IN ALBUQUERQUE. IF THE STATE LAW PASSES, IT'S NOT IN CONFLICT WITH THIS. >>COUN. GROUT: NOT AT ALL. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: MY LAST QUESTION, AND I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT CATALYTIC CONVERTERS. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS REALLY WRITTEN IN A WAY TO DISCOURAGE THE THEFT OF CATALYTIC CONVERTERS FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE BAD PERSON WHO IS OUT THERE STEALING BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH EXTRA HOOPS TO SELL THEM. SO THE GOAL IS NOT TO INCREASE ENFORCEMENT BUT RATHER TO TRY TO STAVE OFF SOME OF THE BAD FOLKS THAT ARE DOING THIS TO PEOPLE. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO ADD MORE BURDEN TO APD, WITH ENFORCEMENT, IS THAT RIGHT? >>COUN. GROUT: THIS WILL GIVE THEM AN EXTRA TOOL TO BE ABLE TO SOLVE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. ACTUALLY, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN SAID A LOT OF THE THINGS I WAS GOING TO SAY. THIS IS A WAY OF DISCOURAGING THE BAD GUY FROM COMMITTING THE CRIME. AND IT'S ALSO ANOTHER TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX. I KNOW IF I WAS A MECHANIC, JUST LIKE YOUR FAMILY IS, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TOOL AT THE RIGHT TIME YOU CAN'T GET THE JOB DONE. YOU HAVE TO GO OUT AND LOOK FOR THE TOOL AND BUY THE TOOL, BUT IT'S ALREADY THERE, THEN YOU CAN ALREADY USE THAT TOOL AND BEING IN LAW ENFORCEMENT MY WHOLE LIFE THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT TOOLS IN THE TOOLBOX, SO MANY THINGS YOU CAN USE WHEN YOU'RE INVESTIGATING THE CRIMES. YOU CAN USE ONE CRIME TO SOLVE ANOTHER CRIME. YOU CAN USE ONE CRIME TO LET HIM KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT YOU ON THIS CRIME TELL ME ABOUT SOME MORE. I WAS IN AN AREA WHERE YOU WORKED UNDER COVER. THEY'RE TRYING TO SOLVE CRIMES AND ANY TIME YOU USE ONE LAW TO ACTUALLY GET INTO THE MIX YOU'RE GOING TO OPEN UP A CAN OF WORMS. THINK ABOUT PULLING OVER FOR TRAFFIC CITATION AND SOLVING A BIG DRUG CASE OR A HOMICIDE. IT'S HAPPENED TO ME. IT'S HAPPENED TO YOU. IF YOU HAVE THE TOOLS IN THE TOOLBOX, WHO KNOWS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO OPEN UP IN REFERENCE TO THAT. TO ME, HAVING ENOUGH TOOLS IN THE TOOLBOX AND HAVING THEM READY TO GO IS WHAT WE NEED. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING. I FEEL IT'S ABOUT DISCOURAGING THE BAD GUY FROM TAKING THE CATALYTIC CONVERTERS TO PLACES WHERE HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO FIND A DIFFERENT WAY AND MEANS TO DO THIS BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE SOMETHING WE CAN HOLD ON HIM. IT'S ANOTHER TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX TO ACTUAL OPEN THE DOOR FOR OTHER CRIMES WE NEED TO SOLVE. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THERE'S AN EXISTING REGULATION AND LAW. THERE'S ALREADY THE REPORTING ASPECT OF THIS NOT THE RECORDING ASPECT. OR THE OTHER WAY AROUND? >>COUN. DAVIS: WHO IS THE QUESTION DIRECTED TO? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, AT THE CITY LEVEL THERE'S NO REPORTING OR RECORDING REQUIREMENTS. AT THE STATE LEVEL THERE ARE BOTH. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. THAT'S MY POINT. THERE'S ALREADY AT A STATE LEVEL RECORDING AND REPORTING REQUIREMENTS FOR CATALYTIC CONVERTER THEFT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE TO POINT IT OUT. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WHAT'S BROKEN THERE TO NOT DUPLICATE LAWS AND EXPECT A DIFFERENT RESULT. MR. PRESIDENT, I DO REALIZE THIS IS NOT A BATTLE I'M GOING TO WIN. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M VERY CLEAR WHERE I STAND AND I DON'T WANT TO DUPLICATE OUR EFFORTS. >>COUN. DAVIS: I AGREE. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA. I'M NOT WAITING ON THE LEGISLATURE TO SAVE US FROM THIS ONE. I THINK YOU MAKE AN EXCELLENT POINT. THERE'S LAWS ON THE BOOKS AGAINST STEALING BUT THERE'S WAYS WE CAN HELP OUR OFFICERS SORT OF FAST TRACK THE INVESTIGATION WITH DATA TO IDENTIFY WHEN PERHAPS MR. MELENDREZ IS SELLING THEM IN THE SOUTH VALLEY AND SOME IN THE NORTH VALLEY. WE SHOULD GO TALK TO HIM IF HE DOESN'T HAVE THREE PRIUS. IT MIGHT HELP US JUST A LITTLE BIT. AT THIS POINT I THINK EVERY LITTLE BIT COUNTS. I INTEND TO SUPPORT THIS AND THANK COUNCILOR GROUT FOR BRINGING HER EXPERIENCE TO HELPING WORK WITH THE INDUSTRY TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM AND GET US ONE STEP FURTHER AND HOPEFULLY THE LEGISLATURE HAS THE SENSE TO FOLLOW OUR LEAD AND SEE IF WE CAN DO BETTER FOR EVERYONE ELSE. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT WE NEED TO GIVE APD OFFICERS MORE TOOLS. WE NEED TO ALSO BE HELPING THE CONSTITUENTS THAT HAVE REACHED OUT TO US. I HOPE YOU ALL SUPPORT THIS. >>COUN. DAVIS: I HEAR MR. RAEL. WE HAVE A COUPLE COUNCILORS ON ZOOM. WE WANT TO MAKE SPACE IF ANYONE WANTS TO MAKE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. I'M GOING TO MR. RAEL, IF I DON'T HEAR FROM COUNCILORS, THAT'S THE CLOSE. >> FIRST OF ALL I HAVE SEEN MR. MELENDREZ WALKING AROUND WITH A CATALYTIC CONVERTER, OR IT MIGHT BE HIS LUNCH BOX. WE IN THE ADMINISTRATION SUPPORT THE EFFORT. AS YOU SAID, COUNCILOR DAVIS, GIVING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ADDITIONAL TOOLS IS IMPORTANT. I THINK IT SENDS THE RIGHTS MESSAGE ON THIS ISSUE THAT WE SEE IN PUBLIC ACROSS THE CITY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. WE HEARD FROM COUNCILOR BASSAN AND ONE ADDITIONAL COMMENT FOR THE SPONSOR. >>COUN. BASSAN: I'M SORRY, THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. SO, ON -- ACTUALLY FOR FULL DISCLOSURE, COUNCILOR LEWIS WANTED ME TO ASK THIS QUESTION SO WE DON'T -- I DON'T KNOW IF HE RAISED HIS HAND OR WHATEVER. DO WE KNOW HOW MANY OF THE CATALYTIC -- I'M SORRY. DO WE KNOW HOW MANY CATALYTIC CONVERTERS THAT HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM A VEHICLE HAVE BEEN SOLD TO ACTUAL LEGITIMATE BUSINESSES AS OPPOSED TO ANOTHER STATE OR MEXICO OR TO ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL? >>COUN. DAVIS: I HEAR COUNCILOR LEWIS FLAGGED THIS. COUNCILOR LEWIS, ARE YOU HERE WITH US? >>COUN. LEWIS: YEAH. I WOULD STATE THAT QUESTION LIKE COUNCILOR BASSAN SAID THAT. I'M INTERESTED IN IT. I THINK THEY TOUCHED ON THIS A LITTLE BIT. JUST INTERESTED IF WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF HOW MANY CATALYTIC CONVERTERS ARE STOLEN IN A GIVEN TIME PERIOD AND HOW MANY OF THOSE END UP AT SCRAP YARDS AND BUSINESSES, AT LEAST IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE? >>COUN. DAVIS: COMMANDER, COME ON BACK. IF THE SPONSOR KNOWS WE'LL LET HER RESPONSE. >>COUN. GROUT: I'LL DEFER TO THE EXPERTS. >> THERE'S BEEN ABOUT 1289 SUCCESSFUL THEFTS OF CONVERTERS IN THE LAST YEAR. AS FAR AS WHERE THEY'RE BEING SOLD AT. WE DON'T HAVE A GREAT WAY TO TRACK THAT. WE KNOW WE'VE DONE INSPECTIONS IN THE PAST AND WE'VE SEEN CONVERTERS AT THE METAL RECYCLING YARDS. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR US. I'M SURE SOME ARE GOING OUT OF STATE. WE DON'T HAVE DEMONSTRA DEMONSTRATA -- DATA TO TRACK THAT. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR LEWIS, BACK TO YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. PRESIDENT, THIS IS ONE OF THE MANY REASONS I'M AGAINST THIS. REAL SIMILAR TO THE REGULATIONS THAT WE PUT ON THE PAWNSHOPS AND OTHERS. I THINK WE'RE FOCUSING OUR ATTENTION IN THE WRONG AREAS. JUST A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE I THINK THIS IS THE WRONG FOCUS IN THAT REGARD. I THINK WE TEND TO PUT SOME LAWS IN PLACE AND RESTRICTIONS AND REGULATIONS THAT TEND TO HURT AND HARM LEGITIMATE BUSINESSES IN OUR CITY. AND WE I THINK, NOT SAY THE SPONSOR IS DOING THIS, I THINK WITHOUT THAT DATA AND WE CLEARLY UNDERSTAND WE DO NOT HAVE THAT DATA, THEN IT'S EASY TO EXAGGERATE. IT'S EASY TO SAY THIS IS A QUICK FIX AND IT'S WELL INTENDED BUT IT'S NOT GETTING TO THE HEART OF THE ISSUE AND THE PROBLEM. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR LEWIS. WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO COUNCILOR SANCHEZ FOR FOLLOW UP FOR THOSE QUESTIONS AND WE'LL GO BACK TO CLOSE. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I HAVE A REAL QUICK COMMENT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE EXPERIENCED IS THE ACTUAL NON-REPORTING. BASED ON THE FACT THAT ME AS AN INSURANCE GUY I AM OUT THERE AND I TAKE A LOT OF THESE CALLS AND CLAIMS PEOPLE DON'T CALL POLICE, THEY GO AHEAD AND DO THE CLAIM AND THEN JUST GO AHEAD AND GET THEIR VEHICLE FIXED BECAUSE IT'S OBVIOUS THE CATALYTIC CONVERTER AND ALL THEY NEED, ALL YOUR ADJUSTER NEEDS IS TO SHOW A NOTE FROM YOUR MECHANIC THAT THE CATALYTIC CONVERTER IS GONE. I'D HAVE TO SAY THE AMOUNT THAT WE'D SEE IS PROBABLY TRIPLE TO QUADRUPLE THE AMOUNT THAT ACTUALLY GETS REPORTED. JUST ON WHAT I'VE SEEN AS AN INSURANCE GUY AND HOW PEOPLE WILL FILE THE CLAIM AND LIKE I SAID, IF YOU GO INTO YOUR INSURANCE HE'S JUST GOING TO ASK WAS IT CUT AND DO I HAVE PROOF IT'S CUT FROM YOUR MECHANIC AND THEY'RE GOING TO PLAY THE CLAIM. AND WE HAVE THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE THE CLAIM. THEY MAY JUST SELL THEIR CAR OR DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT LAW THAT WE PUT SOMETHING INTO PLACE SO WE DON'T HAVE -- WE DISCOURAGE THESE INDIVIDUALS, AT LEAST CITY WIDE AND STATE WIDE NOT TO PURCHASE THESE STOLEN CATALYTIC CONVERTERS. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR GROUT TO RESPOND AND CLOSE. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I CAN REPLY TO THAT AS WELL. AT MY BUSINESS I THINK A ROT OF YOU KNOW I OWN AN AUTO REPAIR BUSINESS. THIS IS NOT A REPAIR I'D LIKE TO MAKE. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THE CUSTOMER SHOULD HAVE TO BE PAYING FOR. MORE TIMES THAN NOT THEY DO NOT REPORT IT TO THE POLICE BECAUSE THEY DON'T THINK THE POLICE CAN DO ANYTHING. BECAUSE THERE'S NO REPORTING SYSTEM. THEY DO NOT REPORT TO THE INSURANCE AGENT BECAUSE THEIR INSURANCE WILL GO UP. THEY HAVE A HIGH DEDUCTIBLE. USUALLY $500 OR $1,000. MORE TIMES THAN NOT THEY DON'T REPORT IT. I CAN CONFIRM EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID AS FAR AS I WOULD HAVE TO TAKE A PICTURE OF THE MISSING CATALYTIC CONVERTER. AND ALSO THE MISSING OXYGEN CENSORS, AND POSSIBLY THE CUT HOSES. IT'S JUST GOES ON AND ON. LAST WEEK HAD A GENTLEMAN CALL ME, LONG TIME CUSTOMER, AND HE SAID I STARTED MY CAR THIS MORNING AND IT SOUNDS LIKE AN AIRPLANE. HE TOWED IT IN. HE HAD THAT TOW BILL. SURE ENOUGH HIS CAT WAS GONE. WE PUT ONE ON THERE. I SAID DO YOU WANT TO TELL YOUR INSURANCE AND HE SAID NOPE, JUST PAY FOR IT. I THINK THE REPAIRS ARE MUCH GREATER THAN ARE REPORTED. I THINK THERE'S A REAL PROBLEM AND I HOPE THIS WILL HELP SLOW OR AT LEAST GIVE US SOME KIND OF A TOOL HELP APD CAPTURE SOME OF THESE GUYS. I URGE EVERYBODY'S SUPPORT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION WE'LL MUVEN TO A VOTE. I'LL ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: NO. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: NO. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES ON A 7-2 VOTE. >>COUN. DAVIS: THAT PASSES 7-2. CONGRATULATIONS, COUNCILOR GROUT. AND THANK YOU FOR ASSISTING US. NEXT UP WE HAVE O-63. RELATE TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ACT PLAN FOR THE CITY AMENDING SECTIONS 214-13 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. I MOVE A DUE PASS. MOTION AND A 2NDS FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN I SEE OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR FROM HIS FORMER OFFICE IN SANTA FE NOW UPSTAIRS. THANK YOU, MAX FOR JOINING US. THIS IS A PROJECT THAT YOU BROUGHT TO US OR ME, MAYBE TWO YEARS AGO, AT LEAST, AS A WAY TO START FOCUSING OR EXPANDING OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS. IT TOOK US TWO YEARS TO GET A SIMPLE IDEA THROUGH THE ENTIRE BUREAUCRACY OF THE CITY. YOU'VE DONE IT. SO, THANK YOU AND WELCOME. WOULD YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THIS DOES? >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT. I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE FINANCE COMMITTEE FOR HAVING REVIEWED THIS AND REALLY ENJOYED MY INTERACTION. LISTEN, I CALL THIS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THE LEADA STATUTE FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE WHICH HAS BEEN IN THE BOOKS FOR DECADES. WHAT IT DOES IS REMOVES AN UNINTENDED BARRIER TO ACCESS THE SMALL BUSINESSES FACE. THE WAY IT DOES THIS IS IT ALLOWS THE COUNCIL THROUGH THE MECHANISM OF THE ADC TO CONSIDER SMALLER LEADA DEALS THAT HAVE A TERM OF FEWER THAN TEN YEARS. AND THE REASON THAT IS IMPORTANT IS TO BE IN A CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE AND SUBMIT QUARTERLY REPORTS AND ANNUAL REPORTS AND HAVE TO HAVE SECURITY FOR THE FULL AMOUNT OF THE AWARD, ALL OF THIS CONSTITUTES AN OPPORTUNITY COST BUT IT ALSO CONSTITUTES A TRUE DOLLAR COST TO SMALL BUSINESSES. WE HAVE TESTIMONY THAT I'M HAPPY TO SHARE FROM SMALL BUSINESSES THAT HAVE BEEN AWARDED AWARDS FROM THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE AND THEY HAD TO WALK AWAY FROM IT BECAUSE THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT DID NOT ALLOW THEM TO AVAIL THEMSELVES OF THE VERY POWERFUL AND WELL-ESTABLISHED PROGRAM. I WANT TO THANK COUNCILOR DAVIS FOR HIS THOUGHTS AND HIS GUIDANCE ON THIS AMENDMENT. AND LET ME END BY SAYING THAT THE CITY'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT FULLY SUPPORTS THIS FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THE STATUTE AND I WOULD URGE YOUR SUPPORT ALSO. THANK YOU AND I'M HAPPY TO STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU, DIRECTOR. I HAVE ONE QUESTION AND WE'L OPEN IT UP TO OTHERS. THE ONE THING WE HAVEN'T MENTIONED IS THE CRITICAL PIECE TO ME, IT ADDS A NEW DEFINITION OF A CERTAIN TYPE OF COMPANY CALLED AN ALBUQUERQUE LEGACY COMPANY. AS I UNDERSTAND IT AND YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, AN ALBUQUERQUE LEGACY COMPANY WOULD BE ADDED TO DEFINITION. THAT'S A COMPANY DETERMINED BY THE DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION TO BE CULTURALLY SIGNIFICANT INVESTED IN ALBUQUERQUE THAT THERE'S LITTLE RISK OF THEM LEAVING ALBUQUERQUE. IT ENSURES WE'RE IDENTIFYING OUR HOME-GROWN FOLKS INVESTED HERE AND LIVING HERE AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE THEIR MONEY ELSEWHERE. IS THAT HOW I SHOULD READ THAT? >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, LET ME TAKE A STEP BACK AND THIS CAME TO THE SURFACE DURING COVID. THE LEGISLATIVE INTENT BEHIND THE ORIGINAL STATUTE AND THE DECADE LONG RELATIONSHIP MANDATED TEN-YEAR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. I THINK IT WAS BASED ON THE NOTION THAT WE DON'T WANT TO RECRUIT A COMPANY TO NEW MEXICO AND THEN THAT COMPANY BLEEDS US OF INCEPTIVES AND THEY RENT THEIR U-HAUL AND MOVE TO PHOENIX AND AUSTIN AND DO THE SAME THING THERE. WEP WE CREATE JOBS FOR NEW MEXICANS WE WANT PREDICTABILITY AND CONSISTENCY, YOU CAN BUILD A CAREER AND YOU HAVE A PATHWAY. DURING COVID, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH LOS POBLANO AND BUENO FOODS. AND THERE WAS SUPPORT FOR BOTH COMPANIES. I HAD TO TALK TO THE FAMILIES AND SAY YOU ARE THIRD GENERATION, YOU ARE QUINT ESSENTIALLY NEW MEXICAN. THIS ARGUMENT THAT I AM WORRIED ABOUT YOU GRABBING YOUR EQUIPMENT AND QUITTING TOWN AND MOVING TO A DIFFERENT STATE. IT DOESN'T APPLY TO YOU. AND JACKIE PACA WOULD SAY WHAT'S THE DEAL WITH THIS TEN YEAR THING. IT'S A VERY THOUGHTFUL MECHANISM THAT COUNCILOR DAVIS ARTICULATED. THE ADC THROUGH RECOMMENDATION FROM MY TEAM AFTER DOING OUR ECONOMIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND ALL OF THE THINGS WE DO, THE ADC CAN DETERMINE A COMPANY TO BE QUINT ESSENTIALLY WEA. THIS COMPANY HAS BEEN HERE FOREVER. THEY MAY EXPAND IN OTHER STATES BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LEAVE. IT'S NOT A REASONABLE ASSUMPTION THEY WOULD DO THAT. AND IN THOSE CASES, IF THE NUMBERS WARRANT IT, I'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO COME TO THE ADC AND COME TO YOU AND SAY I THINK WE CAN JUSTIFY A FIVE-YEAR ARRANGEMENT FOR THIS COMPANY AND STILL SUPPORT THEM THROUGH THE FULL EXTENT THAT LEDA WOULD SUPPORT THIS THROUGH THE EXTENSION IN AN EFFORT TO CREATE JOBS FOR NEW MEXICANS. I HOPE THAT ADDRESSES YOUR QUESTION. >>COUN. DAVIS: I APPRECIATE THAT. IT DOES VERY WELL. THANK YOU. I WANT IT TO POINT OUT WE WANT MORE SMALL BUSINESSES TO APPLY OR EARLIER IN THEIR GROWTH CYCLE BUT PRIORITIZE THOSE COMPANIESES THAT ARE OURS AND REALLY CONNECTED HERE. I THINK THAT'S A DYNAMIC DIFFERENCE IN THE WAY WE'VE APPROACHED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUNDS FOR A DECADE IN THE CITY. AND AT THE STATE LEVEL. SOMETHING WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT INVESTING MORE OF THE LOCAL RESOURCES AND COMPANIES THAT HELP THEM GROW LOCALLY AND EXPAND THEIR FOOTPRINT TO OTHER PLACES AND BRING OTHER STATE'S MONEY BACK HERE AS WELL. I THINK THIS IS A SLAM DUNK. I APPRECIATE YOU WORKING ON THIS. >> IF I MAY SAY, IF THE COUNCIL THING DOESN'T WORK OUT FOR YOU AND YOU NEED A JOB AT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT YOU JUST ARTICULATED THAT BETTER THAN I'VE HEARD ANYBODY TALK ABOUT THAT. >>COUN. DAVIS: LET'S REMEMBER THAT, IF I NEED AN IN ABOUT TEN MONTHS AND A WEEK. COUNCILORS, OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR OR OTHERS? SEEING NONE. I SEE NO DEBATE OR AMENDMENTS. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: CONGRATULATIONS, WE'LL SEE THAT UP STAIRS. >> THANK YOU FOR THE SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: SORRY ABOUT THAT. WE'RE SAYING HOW COLD WE WERE. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. O-66 IS AMENDING THE PUBLIC BOARDS AND COMMISSION COMMITTEE ORDINANCE CHAPTER TWO ARTICLE SIX OF THE REVISED ORD NNSZ INSURANCE OF ALBUQUERQUE THERE WAS A STUDY CONDUCTED, I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, THERE WAS A STUDY AND I THINK THIS IS FOR ALL CITY EMPLOYEES, THAT INCLUDES US. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S PART OF THE ORDINANCE. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. I MOVE A DO PASS. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT IF THERE'S NO QUESTION. >>COUN. DAVIS: NO QUESTIONS AND I SEE NOTHING FROM THE ADMINISTRATION. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BASSAN, YOU HAVE R-91. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, IT'S ADJUSTING FISCAL YEAR 2022 APPROPRIATIONS FOR CERTAIN FUNDS AND PROGRAMS TO PROVIDE EXPENDITURES ADJUSTING FISCAL YEAR 2023 APPROPRIATING CAPITAL FUNDS. I MOVE A DOPASS. BEFORE WE MOVE TO AMENDMENTS, IF I MAY? I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION I WANT TO MAKE SURE TO ASK THE ADMINISTRATION BEFORE WE START WITH ANY OF THE AMENDMENTS. I WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT WHERE, AND I KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE A ROUGH ESTIMATE. I'M NOT EXPECTING PERFECTION RIGHT NOW. BUT WHERE DO WE EANTICIPATE THE NEXT FY24 BUDGET TO BE? I HAVE BEEN HEARING SIGNIFICANT SHORTFALL. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR BASSAN, WE'RE WORKING ON COMPILING ALL THE REQUESTS. WE JUST FINISHED THE BUDGET HEARINGS. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF ISSUES WITH REVENUES. IN PAST COUPLE OF YEARS REVENUE GROWTH WAS MORE THAN 5%. THIS YEAR, THE LATEST NUMBER I HAVE IS 2.4%. IF YOU COMPARE THAT WITH INFLATION THAT IS 6% OR MORE. AND THEN HEALTH CARE COST IS ALWAYS GOING UP. NOT KEEPING UP WITH REVENUE FORECAST. WE DO HAVE SOME STRUCTURAL ISSUES. IT SAYS WE ARE CAREFULLY LOOKING AT ALL OF THE REQUESTS FROM THE DEPARTMENTS. AND WE THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO SUBMIT A BALANCED BUDGET WORKING WITH YOU. WITHIN A FEW WEEKS. THAT SAID, I THINK WHAT MOST I WORRY ABOUT RIGHT NOW IS ACTUALLY HOUSE BILL 367 WHICH IS -- IT HAS MOMENTUM. IT'S TABLED RIGHT NOW. BUT I THINK IT COULD BE PART OF THE BILL AT THE STATE LEVEL. IF THAT BILL PASSES, THEN IT WOULD GIVE TAX-EXEMPTTION FOR CERTAIN PROFESSIONAL SERVICES WHERE THERE WOULD BE ELIMINATION OF BUSINESS TO BUSINESS TAX. IN CONCEPT IT'S A GOOD IDEA. I THINK THE STATE CAN AFFORD IT. BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE A LOT OF MONEY. AND THAT IS OIL AND GAS REVENUE THEY HAVE AND THEY CAN AFFORD ANY KIND OF TAX CUTS. WHAT I WORRY ABOUT IS THAT COULD IMPACT US UP TO 37 TO $50 MILLION. IF THAT PASSES THE WAY IT IS IT WOULD BE EFFECTIVE JULY 1. WE'RE KEEPING A CLOSE EYE ON THAT BILL. WE'RE PROTESTING IT. THE MUNICIPALITIES ARE AGAINST THAT. BUT SOMETIMES THINGS LIKE THIS PASSES IN THE LAST WEEK. DEALS ARE MADE AND I WORRY ABOUT THAT. IF THAT BILL PASSES WE HAVE A MAJOR ISSUE. OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK WE WILL HAVE TO TIGHTEN BELTS LAST COUPLE OF YEARS HAVE BEEN REALLY GOOD WHEN IT COMES TO ONE-TIME MONEY. BECAUSE OF THE CARES ACT MONEY AND ARPA MONEY. WE DON'T HAVE THAT LUXURY ANYMORE. WE WILL HAVE TO BE REALISTIC AND WE'LL WORK TO ISSUE PAPERS. I PROMISE YOU THERE WILL BE A BALANCED BUDGET. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU, MR. BACA. WHAT I HEARD IN NON-ACCOUNTING TERMS, IT'S NOT MY FORTE, AT THE SAME TIME I HEARD WE HAVE A MINOR PROBLEM OR A MAJOR PROBLEM ABOUT TO HIT US. AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT US AS A COUNCIL TO REALLY BE AWARE OF AND BE PAYING ATTENTION TO. IS THAT WE HAVE EITHER WAY NO MASSIVE ONE-TIME MONEY COMING TOWARD US. WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME GRT. WE MIGHT HAVE A MASSIVE PROBLEM COMING OUR WAY DEPENDING ON WHAT THE STATE DECIDES. THIS IS NOT LOOKING PRETTY. AND I PROMISE I'M GOING TO DO WHAT I CAN, BUT I REALLY THINK THAT FROM WHAT I'M RESEARCHING AND KNOWING AND WHAT YOU'RE RESEARCHING AND KNOWING, I REALLY HOPE THAT WE'RE ALL UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS NOT THE TIME, AS MUCH AS I WANT TO PULL, I'M GOING TO THE STATE FOR THAT. I'M NOT TRYING TO GET IT THROUGH THE ONE-TIME FUNDING WE HAVE IN ALBUQUERQUE. I HOPE YOU RESPECT THAT IN YOUR PROJECTS MOVING FORWARD. MAY WE PLEASE MOVE THROUGH THE AMENDMENT PACKET? >>COUN. DAVIS: SURE. I WILL LET STAFF FIGURE OUT WHO IS UP FIRST ON THIS ONE. IN OUR PACKET IT LOOKS LIKE COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. I WANT TO BE SURE MR. CORNELIUS SHARES HIS PACKET. COUNCILOR LEWIS, I'M SORRY, I SEE YOU HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE WE MOVE TO AMENDMENT PACKETS. THANK YOU FOR FLAGGING. >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. PRESIDENT, I APOLOGIZE, WHILE HE WAS AT THE PODIUM I THOUGHT WOULD ASK A QUESTION WHILE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT -- >>COUN. DAVIS: WE CAN GET HIM BACK. >>COUN. LEWIS: WHILE WE'RE DISCUSSING THE NEXT BUDGET I FEEL THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO BRING THIS UP. LAST YEAR WE HAD THE AMAZING WINDFALL AND INCREASED OUR BUDGET BY 30% IN EVERY AREA. WHAT I DO WANT TO ASK IS I WAS ON A CALL THIS WEEK WITH THE MAYOR WITH THE PUBLIC AND HE MADE SEVERAL STATEMENTS THAT WERE RELATE TODAY THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OFFICERS AND THE MAYOR IS GOING TO SEND THE BUDGET AND MR. BAKHA THAT STARTS WITH YOUR OFFICE AND YOU SEND IT TO THE COUNCIL SHORTLY. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE STATEMENTS THAT THE MAYOR MADE ON THAT CALL WAS THAT HE FELT LIKE HE SAID THAT HE TALKED ABOUT THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW WHICH IS FAR FROM WHAT WE BUDGETED LAST YEAR. OF 1100. WE BUDGETED FOR 1100. WE'RE NOWHERE NEAR THAT WITH APD OFFICERS. THE MAYOR SAID HIRING MORE OFFICERS IS AN OLD-FASHIONED WAY OF THINKING AND IT'S UNREALISTIC TO HIRE MORE OFFICERS IN APD. SO HE SAID IT'S OLD FASHIONED AND HE SAID IT'S UNREALISTIC. MY QUESTION IS WILL THE ADMINISTRATION PROPOSE A BUDGET THAT INCLUDES FUNDING FOR 1100 POLICE OFFICERS? THAT'S NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO IS THAT THE POLICY OF THE ADMINISTRATION THAT HIRING MORE POLICE OFFICERS IS OLD FASHIONED AND UNREALISTIC? >>COUN. DAVIS: MR. RAEL THERE'S A LOT WRAPPED UP THERE. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, LET ME -- I HAVE A FEW WORDS ABOUT WE'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF PREPARING THE BUDGET. WE'VE NOT FINALIZED OR MADE THE FINAL DECISION ABOUT FUNDING FOR APD. I WOULD ALSO SAY TO YOU AND TOO COUNCIL THAT SPECIFICALLY I THINK THE MAYOR'S REFERENCE AS IT RELATES TO THE ISSUE OF HIRING OFFICERICIZE -- IS MORE PARENTALLY INVESTED IN TECHNOLOGY TO SUPPORT THE CURRENT OFFICERS THAT WE DO HAVE. LOOKING AT THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE THROUGH THE SUPPORT OF THE COUNCIL AND THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO ADD ADDITIONAL TECHNOLOGY CAPACITIES TO OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS THAT IN MANY INSTANCES WE'RE CERTAINLY ALWAYS WANTING MORE OFFICERS AND WILL CONTINUE TO RECRUIT MORE OFFICERS AND WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE FULL COMPLIMENT BUT WE HAVE TECHNOLOGY THAT HELPS THE OFFICERS DO THEIR WORK. SHOT SPOTTER TECHNOLOGY FOR EXAMPLE HAS HELPED POLICE OFFICERS HAVE NOT NECESSARILY HUMAN BEINGS OUT IN THE STREETS, BUT USING TECHNOLOGY TO PATROL THE COMMUNITY AND DO BETTER WORK IN SOLVING CRIME. THE TECHNOLOGY AS IT RELATES TO SOME OF THE WORK THEY'RE DOING WITH GUN SHOT CASING AND ALL OF THAT TECHNOLOGY HAS HELPED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DO A LOT MORE WITH LESS OFFICERS SO, MY PERSPECTIVE IS OF THE MAYOR'S COMMENT WERE SIMPLY THAT INVESTING IN TECHNOLOGY HELPS US IMPROVE THE WORK WE'RE DOING IN THE COMMUNITY I WOULD SAY THAT I'M SURE THE MAYOR WOULD SUPPORT HAVING THE FULL COMPLIMENT OF OFFICERS BECAUSE AS EARLY AS THIS MORNING WE WERE ON THE CALL WITH THE MAYOR WITH HOW THE RECRUITMENT EFFORTS WERE DOING WHICH I GAVE RESPONSE TO COUNCILOR SANCHEZ THAT WE'RE ACTIVELY CONTINUE TO RECRUIT AND HIRE MORE OFFICERS FOR THE CITY. >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. PRESIDENT, MR. RAEL, I HOPE THE PRIORITY OF THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD MATCH UP WITH THE REQUEST YOU GIVE THE BUDGET TO THE COUNCIL. AND THAT LANGUAGE JUST DOES NOT IN ANY WAY DEMONSTRATE ANY KIND OF PRIORITY TO HIRE MORE POLICE OFFICERS, TO MAKE IT SOMETHING THAT'S A GOAL THIS NEXT YEAR IN THE BUDGET. AND IF IT IS I THINK YOU'RE FAR REMOVED FROM USING THAT KIND OF LANGUAGE. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT COMMUNICATES. IF THAT'S THE PRIORITY WHERE IT IS, PLEASE DON'T SEND US A BUDGET THAT INCLUDES FUNDING FOR 1100 POLICE OFFICERS WHEN YOU KNOW THAT'S NOT YOUR PRIORITY AND THAT'S NOT WHERE THE FOCUS IS GOING TO BE. AGAIN, I THINK IT'S PRIORITY TO SAY THAT NOW AS YOU PREPARE FOR THAT. I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT WE'VE SPENT EVERY BIT OF THE MONEY WE HAD LAST YEAR. WE INCREASED THE BUDGET BY MASSIVE AMOUNTS, UNPRECEDENTED AND WE'RE FACED WITH UNCERTAINTY AND THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE TO MAKE THE TOUGH DECISIONS. I AM GOING TO EXPECT THOSE DECISIONS ARE MADE FIRST OF ALL WITH YOU ALL AS YOU HAVE THE FIRST CRACK AT THE BUDGET. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR LEWIS. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. NOW THAT COUNCILOR LEWIS BROUGHT UP THE OFFICERS, I'VE GOT A COUPLE THINGS TO SAY. THIS IS A QUESTION FOR MR. RAEL AS WELL. I THINK EVERY COUNCILOR RECEIVED SOMETHING TODAY IN THE EMAIL. IT TALKS ABOUT THE APOA MET WITH THE NEGOTIATING TEAM TWICE IN JANUARY AND JANUARY 13 AND JANUARY 27th. THE RESULTS WERE DISAPPOINTING AND DISHEARTENING. BOTH MEETINGS THEY WERE TOLD THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE OFFICERS WERE TOLD THERE'S NO MONEY FOR OFFICER PAY INCREASES. THE CITY CITED TWO MAJOR REASONS FOR THE DECISION. GROSS RECEIPTS TAX REVENUE ARE DISAPPOINTING, ALTHOUGH NOT BAD. AND THE CITY LOST A MAJOR EQUAL PAY LAWSUIT WHICH IS THE PINO CASE. CURRENTLY, WE HAVE THE LOWEST OFFICER SHORTAGE WE'VE EVER HAD. AND RIGHT NOW THE MAYOR SAID THAT AND MADE THAT COMMENT, MAYOR KELLER DOESN'T SEEM TO CARE ABOUT THE CRIME IN THIS CITY. AND EACH ONE OF US IS A VICTIM OF THAT CRIME. WE ALSO SEE THERE'S EXTRA PR STAFFERS. WE SEE THERE'S EXTRA DEPUTY COMMANDERS. WE SEE THERE'S A BOOK GATE AND TURF GATE WHERE MONEY WAS SPENT INAPPROPRIATELY. SO, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO SOMETHING BETTER THAN DISINCENTIVIZE OUR OFFICERS FROM BEING ALBUQUERQUE POLICE OFFICERS. IF YOU TALK TO THE OFFICERS THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THE JOB BECAUSE THEY DON'T FEEL THAT THE MAYOR SUPPORTS THEM. TO GROW THE RANKS. THAT IS THE PROBLEM WE FACE EACH AND EVERY DAY. ALONG WITH COUNCILOR LEWIS, I TOO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS BUDGETING FOR THE OFFICERS. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, COUNCILORS. MR. RAEL. >> LET ME JUST SAY, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THE COUNCILORS ALL KNOW THAT UNDER OUR COLLECTIVE BARGAINING ORDINANCE THE APOA IS IN FULL NEGOTIATION WITH THE ADMINISTRATION SO I WOULD JUST POINT OUT TO THE COUNCILORS THAT YOU ARE NOT TO BE INVOLVED ACCORDING TO OUR RULES AND REGULATIONS AS IT RELATES TO NEGOTIATIONS IN A PUBLIC WAY NEGOTIATING THE CONTRACT OR HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APOA REPRESENTATIVES AS IT RELATES TO COLLECTIVE BARGAINING NEGOTIATIONS. I KNOW THIS IS A BIT OF A CHALLENGE BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THEY SEPPED INFORMATION OUT, I THINK MOST OF THE COUNCILORS KNOW THAT IN THE MIDDLE OF NEGOTIATION THE COUNCIL CAN'T BE INVOLVED NAALITY -- IN THAT DEBATE. I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOUR PERSPECTIVE OF THE ISSUES, BUT I WOULD SAY FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC LISTENING, PUBLIC SAFETY IS A TOP PRIORITY FOR THE ADMINISTRATION AND HAS BEEN FROM THE TIME THAT MAYOR KELLER TOOK OFFICE. TO MAKE A STATEMENT WE DON'T CARE ABOUT CRIME IS COMPLETELY INACCURATE AND NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE WORK WE'VE DONE OVER THE LAST FIVE OR SIX YEARS. I WANT YOU TO KNOW WE APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT EACH OF YOU HAVE YOUR RIGHT AND PERSPECTIVE OF THE ISSUES. HOWEVER THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS ADMINISTRATION IS ABOUT. WE'VE WORKED REALLY HARD AND CONTINUE TO WORK HARD ON ENSURING THAT WE DEAL WITH CRIME AND ALL THE OTHER ISSUES IMPORTANT TO THE CITY. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: MY COMMENT WAS BAYED -- BASED ON THE FACT WE NEED MORE OFFICERS AND OUR CITY AND CITIZENS ARE HURTING. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE OFFICERS AND THE CITIZENS OF ALBUQUERQUE ARE TAKEN CARE OF. THAT'S THE REASON FOR MY COMMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, BOTH. I WANT TO REMIND US ALL THAT THE DISCUSSION HAS TO REMAIN TO THE BILL. I THINK IT HAS, BECAUSE ERR TALKING ABOUT A BUDGET BILL. I WANT TO BE SURE TO KEEP THE FOCUS AND DO THAT. SO, I THINK WE'RE BACK ON THE AMENDMENT PACKET. I'M SORRY, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. I BELIEVE THAT'S HIS AMENDMENT PACKET. NUMBER ONE. LET ME ME EBE SURE ITEM A WHICH WE'RE GOING TO CALL FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: ON PAGE FOUR LINE THREE ENTITLED COUNCIL SERVICES INCREASE THE AMOUNT BY $100,000. THIS IS TO INCREASE CITY COUNCIL BUDGET FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONTRIBUTING TO A COMPREHENSIVE CITY WIDE PLAN TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF UNHOUSED INDIVIDUALS LIVING IN ENCAMPMENTS NOT MEANT FOR HUMAN HABITATION. THE INCREASE WILL BE APPROPRIATED FROM FISCAL YEAR 2023 AVAILABLE FUND BALANCE. >>COUN. DAVIS: IS THERE A SECOND FOR FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE? SECOND FROM COUNCILOR GROUT. ANY DISCUSSION, ANY COMMENTS FROM THE ADMINISTRATION? >> MR. PRESIDENT, OBVIOUSLY THE COUNCIL'S PREROGATIVE OF WHETHER YOU FUND THIS ACTIVITY OR NOT WE HAVE A COMPLETE DEPARTMENT DEDICATE TODAY WORKING ON THIS. AND CERTAINLY WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL IF THERE IS AN INTEREST IN CREATING MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MORE INPUT WE CERTAINLY KNOW THE FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT WOULD BE MORE THAN WILLING TO SIT WITH YOU TO DEVELOP A PLAN. OBVIOUSLY THIS MONEY IS PROEPSED -- APPROPRIATED TO COUNCIL SERVICES. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE I THINK IT'S A BIT REDUNDANT. I KNOW THE COUNCIL FEELS STRONGLY ABOUT THE MONEY IN THIS AREA IT'S YOUR PREROGATIVE. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BASSAN THEN COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. BASSAN: CAN YOU ELABORATE WHAT THIS MEANS? ARE WE HIRING SOMEONE FOR $100,000? TO COME UP WITH A PLAN? >> YES, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE LOOK FOR A CONSULTANT TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS. TRY TO GET QUOTES AND SEE WHO CAN PERFORM THIS SERVICE. >>COUN. BASSAN: ARE WE GOING TO USE THE $100 THP ,000 $100,000 TO GET QUOTES? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, DEFER THIS QUESTION. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. >> MS. STYLES HAS A GRAPH ON WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. >> HI MR. PRESIDENT, THE INTENT BEHIND THIS WAS TO POSSIBY HAVE A CONSULTANT LOOK AT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SIMILAR TO THE ONES THEY HAD IN HOUSTON TO STREAMLINE A SERVICE SO IT HELPS US TO TRACK HOMELESSNESS IN THE CITY AND HELPS US TO COORDINATE WITH ALL OF THE SERVICE PROVIDERS. THERE IS ALSO A PLAN THAT THE HOMELESS COORDINATING COUNCIL IS WORKING ON TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR. IT REQUIRES A CONTRIBUTION OF 75 TO $100,000. THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN IS IF THAT PLAN IS BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND UNM AND THE CITY AND VETERAN'S OFFICE, THAT MONEY COULD BE USED FOR THAT EFFORT. IF THAT EFFORT DOES NOT MOVE FORWARD THEN IT IS POSSIBLE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HIRE CONSULTANT SEPARATELY. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, ARE WE PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE? >>COUN. DAVIS: WHOM IS THAT DIRECTED? >>COUN. BASSAN: I MEAN. I GUESS IT'S NOT -- I FEEL THAT WE'RE PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE. IF THE HOMELESS COORDINATING COUNCIL IS DECIDING MAYBE THEY WILL AND MAYBE THEY WON'T AND MAYBE THE COUNTY AND WE'RE GOING TO HIRE TO DO A PLAN AND WE HAVE A DEPARTMENT THAT DOES A PLAN, I JUST AM VERY CONFUSED BY WHY WE NEED THIS MONEY. I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IT. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I SHARE SOME OF COUNCILOR BASSAN'S THOUGHTS. THIS MONEY IS GOING INTO THE CITY COUNCIL'S BUDGET AND I JUST QUESTION WHETHER CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE DOING SOMETHING THAT IS I GUESS AT THE SAME TIME WHAT FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES IS GOING TO BE DOING. I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD BE WORKING TOGETHER AND WE HAVE A DEPARTMENT THAT'S ALREADY DOING THIS WORK. IF WE DON'T TLIEK WAY THEY'RE DOING THE WORK WE SHOULD WORK ON BUDGET OR PRESSURE TO MAKE SURE THAT PLAN IS BEING DONE CORRECTLY FOR THE ENTIRE STUDY. I'M NOT SURE $100,000 IS GOING TO GET US VERY FAR ON OUR OWN. IF IT IS TRULY GOING TO GO TO THE HOMELESS COORDINATOR COUNCIL AND BE PART OF THE PACKAGE, I SUPPORT THAT. BUT THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN WE'RE DOING OUR OWN THING IN PARALLEL BUT NOT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE REST OF THE CITY. I WON'T SUPPORT IT EITHER. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, OR COUNCILOR SANCHEZ TO CLOSE? AMENDMENT ONE. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: ON AMENDMENT ONE, URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: NO. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: NO. >>COUN. GROUT: NO. >>COUN. JONES: NO. >>COUN. LEWIS: NO. >>COUN. PEÑA: NO. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> FAILS ON A 3-6 VOTE. >>COUN. DAVIS: THAT MATTER FAILS. WE'LL MOVE TO COUNCILOR BASSAN WHICH IS ITEM B. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT I MOVE FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. -- INCREASE THE AMOUNT BY $50,000. IN THE LATEST UPDATE WE DID ADD A NEW CONTRACT COMPLIANCE OFFICER TO PERFORM CERTAIN OVERSIGHT FUNCTIONS. THIS WILL BE FUNDED FROM THIS PORTION OF THE BUDGET OF COUNCIL SERVICES. IT WILL INCREASE THE CITY COUNCIL'S BUDGET FOR THE PURPOSES OF HIRING THAT CONTRACTOR DURING THE REST OF THE FISCAL YEAR. >>COUN. GROUT: SECOND. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR GROUT WAS THE ONE I COULD TELL. COUNCILORS, ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS MATTER? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THIS IS FOR HALF A YEAR? $50,000 DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A LOT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S ENOUGH. >>COUN. BASSAN: IT'S FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: $100,000 A YEAR? OKAY, THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: JUST TO CLARIFY, THAT ASSUMES THAT THE BUDGET CHAIR WOULD INTEND TO INCLUDE THIS AS PART OF THE BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR FOR JULY? >>COUN. BASSAN: IT ALSO ASSUMES THE COUNCIL SERVICES DIRECTOR WILL MAKE THAT INTO THE REQUEST FOR THE COUNCIL SERVICES BUDGET. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WILL THE CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL FOR FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO? >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: ITEM C IS NEXT. THIS IS SPONSORED BY COUNCILOR BENTON. COUNCILOR WE HAVE THIS DISPLAYED IN THE ROOM I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S REQUIRED YOU TO READ IT LINE BY LINE UNLESS YOU SO DESIRE. IT IS YOURS, SIR. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THIS WILL BE FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE. AND THIS READS ON PAGE FOUR LINE 18 RECREATION DECREASE THE AMOUNT BY $30,000. ON PAGE FOUR LINE INSERT TRANSFER TO OTHER FUNDS TO CAPDLE ACQUISITION FUND. FOR THE PURPOSE OF MURAL RESTORATION AT KIRTLAND PARK THOMAS BELL COMMUNITY CENTER. PAGE FIVE LINE 27 ENTITLED STREETS DECREASE THE AMOUNT BY $825,000 ON PAGE FIVE AFTER LINE 28 INSERT THE FOLLOWING TRANSFER TO OTHER FUNDS AND THIS IS DESIGNATED FUNDS FOR THE BROADWAY BOULEVARD MULTI-MODAL STREET SCAPING IMPROVEMENT. AND RIO GRANDE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS. AND ON PAGE SIX LINE EIGHT ENTITLED PARKS MANAGEMENT DECREASE THE AMOUNT BY $120,000. ON PAGE SIX LINE 12 CAPITAL ACQUISITION INCREASE THE AMOUNT BY $120,000. ON PAGE SIX AFTER LINE 12 INSERT THE FOLLOWING $120,000 DESIGNATE FOR LOS DURANES PARK EXTERIOR LIGHTING. IT'S MOVING AROUND SPECIFIC PROJECTS IN DISTRICT TWO. >>COUN. DAVIS: I'LL SECOND THAT. ANY DISCUSSION FROM COUNCILORS OR THE ADMINISTRATION? >> MR. PRESIDENT, I THINK MS. YARRA WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY SOMETHING ON THE AMENDMENT. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, I JUST WANTED TO APPEAL TO THE COUNCIL TO MAYBE TAKE THIS APPROPRIATION FROM GENERAL FUND BALANCE INSTEAD OF REDUCING THE COMMUNITY RECREATION STREETS AND PARKS MANAGEMENT LINE. I KNOW MR. MUNIZ DID CALCULATIONS BASED ON SALARY. HOWEVER, YOU GUYS AREN'T SEEING THE OTHER SIDE WHERE SOME OF THESE DEPARTMENTS ARE USING THAT FUNDING FOR CONTRACTS OR TEMP WORKERS OR OVERTIME WHICH WASN'T REFLECTED IN WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU. THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET WOULD RATHER HAVE YOU TAKE THIS FROM FUND BALANCE AND LET US SORT OUT THE BACK END. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. BEFORE I GO BACK TO THE SPONSOR, ONE OF THE REASONS WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH SALARY SAVINGS IS BECAUSE WE DON'T GET THOSE REPORT FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS LATER EVEN THOUGH WE GET PROMISED THEM. WE JUST GUESS. COUNCILOR BENTON, WERE YOUR ABLE TO HEAR THE DIRECTOR? >>COUN. BENTON: I THINK I HEARD THAT. YES, I MEAN, IT WOULDN'T HURT ME AT THIS POINT. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF TECHNICAL DIFFICULTLY. DO YOU CONSENT TO THE TECHNICAL AMENDMENT? >>COUN. BENTON: IF THIS CAN BE CONSIDERED A TECHNICAL AMENDMENT, I WOULD CONSENT TO IT. >>COUN. DAVIS: OKAY, OUR STAFF IS LOOKING AT IT REALLY QUICKLY. >> MR. PRESIDENT, AND AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE, WE WOULD STRIKE LINE ONE, THREE, AND FIVE FROM THE AMENDMENT. AND TAKE THAT FROM AVAILABLE FUND BALANCE. >>COUN. DAVIS: CAN YOU CAPTURE THAT? >> YES, WE CAN CAPTURE THAT. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BENTON, IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU? >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILORS, WE'RE BACK ON AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE AS EDITED. ANY QUESTIONS OR FURTHER COMMENTS? THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. SEEING NO OTHER, WILL THE CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE? >>COUN. BASSAN: NO. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES ON AN 8-1 VOTE. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'RE HAVING A LITTLE PROBLEM HEARING YOU ON THE SPEAKER. THAT PASSED 8-1, IS THAT RIGHT? NEXT UP, COUNCILORS ITEM D WHICH WILL BE FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR. COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, ON PAGE THREE LINE 29 ENTITLED CAPITAL ACQUISITION DECREASE THE AMOUNT BY$2 MILLION. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE AMENDMENT FOUR. THIS IS BECAUSE WHEN WE ENDED UP IN COMMITTEE MAKING THE AMENDMENT THAT I HAD CHANGING SOME MONEY AROUND WE NEEDED TO MATCH THIS LINE TO BE TECHNICALLY CORRECT WITH THE REST OF THE CHANGES WE DID. >>COUN. DAVIS: MOTION AND SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING FROM THE ADMINISTRATION? WILL THE CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BASSAN, NUMBER FIVE ITEM E. >>COUN. BASSAN: I'D LIKE TO MOVE AMENDMENT NUMBER FIVE. ON PAGE AFTER 11 ADD$1 MILLION IS CALATED TO RENOVATIONS TO THE NINTH FLOOR OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE GOVERNMENT CENTER. THIS GOES TO WE CHANGED IN COMMITTEE, WE MOVED THE CITY COUNTY RENOVATIONS, CONSTRUCTION, WHATEVER IT WAS TERMED FROM$5 MILLION TO 3 MILLION THERE, OF THE$5 MILLION $1 MILLION WAS PROMISED TO COUNCIL, SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE NOW THAT WE TOOK TWO OUT OF THE, THAT IT STILL GOES TO THE NINTH FLOOR. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANYTHING FROM THE COUNCIL OR ADMINISTRATION? SEEING NONE. WILL THE CLERK PLEASE CALL THE VOTE? >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILORS, ITEM F IS FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX. COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, THIS GETS TRICKY. SO, ITEM F AND G WHICH IS NOT IN YOUR PACKET BUT WAS I HOPE DISTRIBUTED VIA EMAIL, THE ADMINISTRATION THINKS THEY'LL CONFLICT. I DON'T THINK THEY CONFLICT. I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION FOR BOTH. I WANT TO PREFACE THIS FOR THE COUNCIL TO UNDERSTAND I THINK WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT BOTH OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME. I DON'T KNOW IF MR. MELEND -- RECOMMENDS TO TAKE TWO AMENDMENTS AT ONCE OR IF THAT IS TOO RICKY. -- RISKY. I'LL START BY MAKING A MOTION TO PASS FLOOR AMENDMENT SIX. WHICH IS ON PAGE THREE LINE SEVEN AFTER MANAGEMENT INSERT THE FOLLOWING, THE AMOUNT OF $12 MILLION IS RESERVED IN THE GENERAL FUND IN FISCAL YEAR 2023 FOR PERSONNEL AND OPERATIONAL SAVINGS WORKING CAPITAL BALANCE AND REVENUE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023. THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET WILL REDUCE CERTAIN PROGRAM BUDGETS AFTER REVIEW OF SECOND QUARTER PROJECTIONS AND NOTIFY COUNCIL BY THE MARCH 26 COUNCIL MEETING. I WANT TO MOVE THIS AMENDMENT AND GIVE BACK STORY AND INFORMATION. >>COUN. DAVIS: I'LL SECOND. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. SALARY SAVINGS. IN WORKING WITH THE OFFICE, ACTUALLY, LET ME JUST LET HIM SAY IT. I'LL MAKE SURE TO CLARIFY BECAUSE I THINK SOME PEOPLE MISSED A COUPLE OF DETAILS THAT I VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. MR. MUNIZ. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILORS, MR. PRESIDENT. THIS CONCEPT AND CONVERSATION HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A COUPLE YEARS. KICKED OFF A COUPLE YEARS BACK WHEN WE MADE AN ATTEMPT TO AMEND THE BUDGET ORDINANCE WHICH TURNED INTO A XHOOIZ WHERE WE WOULD RECEIVE QUARTERLY REPORTS ON THE USE OF SALARY SAVINGS EVERY QUARTER. AS COUNCILOR DAVIS ALLUDED TO WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS THAT THE REPORTS WERE BEING SENT TO US FAIRLY LATE. SIX MONTHS AFTER THE QUARTER ENDED. AS A MATTER OF FACT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA IT'S FISCAL YEAR 22 YEAR END SALARY SAVING REPORT WHICH WE RECEIVED JANUARY 2023. SIX MONTHS AFTER THE FISCAL YEAR ENDED. THE PURPOSE IS TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE THOSE SAVINGS WERE GOING AND WHETHER OR NOT ANY ADJUSTMENTS WERE NEEDED TO BE MADE TO ADDRESS THE BUDGETARY CONCERN. AS FAR AS THE PROCESS THIS YEAR, THE BUDGET PROCESS KICKS OFF WHERE THE ADMINISTRATION SENDS OUT A MEMO TO THE DEPARTMENTS INDICATE WHAT THE BUDGET WILL LOOK LIKE FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. IN THAT MEMO THERE WAS SOME EXPLANATION SHOWING THAT FISCAL YEAR 24 WAS GOING TO BE CONSIDERED A MAINTENANCE OF EFFORT BUDGET. MEANING THERE WASN'T GOING TO BE A LOT OF NEW REVENUE COMING IN FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR TO ADDRESS THE RECURRING EXPENDITURES. THE REQUEST WAS FOR THE DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THEIR DEPARTMENT KEPT TO THE PRIORITIES IN TERMS OF ADMINISTRATION'S WANT FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND HOMELESSNESS. THAT TRIGGERED TO LOOK AT INFORMATION OURSELVES. WE USUALLY GET A FIVE-YEAR FORECAST IN DECEMBER WHICH WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED YET. WE STARTED TO TRY TO LOOK AT WHAT COULD WE DO OR HOW CAN WE PREPARE FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BUDGET 24 FROM A COUNCIL PERSPECTIVE. BACK WHEN WE FIRST GOT THE SALARY SAVINGS REPORT IN JANUARY, WE START LOOK AT DATA, SO WE JUST TOOK A SIMPLE CONCEPT AND SAID MID-YEAR WE ASSUME THAT 50% OF THE BUDGET WHEN CAME TO EXPENDITURES WOULD HAVE BEEN SPENT. IN THEORY IF WE HIRED EVERYBODY WE WOULD SPEND HALF OUR BUDGET AT THAT MIDPOINT. DOING SOME NUMBERS WE FOUND ON THE HIGH LEVEL REPORTS IT WA $38 MILLION IN SALARY SAVING THAT HAD NOT BEEN USED FOR THAT PURPOSE. SO WE STARTED TO LOOK AT IT AND SEE, WELL, IF WE HAVEN'T SPENT $38 MILLION IN TERMS OF SALARIES PERHAPS WE SHOULD MOVE THAT TO RESERVE KNOWING THAT NEXT FISCAL YEAR WAS A CHALLENGING YEAR FOR THE BUDGET PROCESS. WE DID ANALYSIS, WE CAN'T JUST SWEEP EVERYTHING BECAUSE THERE'S ISSUES AS MENTIONED BY DIRECTOR YARRA LOOKING AT LAST YEAR. THINGS LIKE OVERTIME AND SERVICES THAT MAY BE IN PLACE. WE TRIED TO TAKE A GUESS AT WHAT WE COULD SWEEP INTO FUND BALANCE. THE AMOUNT WENT FROM $38 MILLION TO INITIALLY $27.5 MILLION BASED ON REVIEW OF PROGRAMS. THAT TURNED INTO WHAT YOU SEE THE AMENDMENT TODAY OF $12 MILL KRN BASED ON CONVERSATIONS WITH THE ADMINISTRATION AND DIRECTOR. THAT'S WHERE WE STAND TODAY IN TERMS OF THE AMENDMENT. THAT'S SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON HOW WE CAME UP WITH THIS AND TO START THE CONVERSATION OF REALLY LOOKING AT WHAT WE'RE BUDGETING AND WHAT WE'RE USING. IT WAS PRETENSE TO LOOK AT HOW WE'RE GOING TO PREPARE FOR NEXT YEAR WHEN IT CAME TO THE BUDGET. >>COUN. BASSAN: MAY I ALSO TRANSLATE? >>COUN. DAVIS: YEAH. >>COUN. BASSAN: THAT WAS VERY GOOD. I'VE ALSO HEARD IT A FEW TIMES. AND SO, WE LOOKED AT WHAT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED. IT'S ALREADY GONE. SO, LOOKING AT THAT, HALF OF THE FISCAL YEAR 23 WHICH WAS JULY 1st UNTIL SIX MONTHS LATER, WE LOOKED AT WHAT WAS STILL UNUSED WHEN IT CAME TO SALARY. THAT CAME ROUGHLY $38 MILLION IN VERY SIMPLE FORM. TALKING WITH THE ADMINISTRATION AND UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S CONTRACTS INVOLVED BECAUSE FOR THOSE STAFF THAT WE CAN'T HIRE, THE CITY HAS UNDERGONE CONTRACTS IN ORDER TO STILL GET THE JOB DONE TOO. TO ME IT WAS A TOMATO, TOMATO. BUT IN ACCOUNTING THEY'RE VERY DIFFERENT. IT SHOWS UP IN CONTRACTING LINE ITEM. BUT TO ME THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULDN'T BE TAKING FROM SALARY. WE'RE NOT TOUCHING THE SECOND HALF OF THE YEAR. WHEN ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS ARE FULLY FUNDED FOR WHEN PROMISED THE BUDGET. ALTHOUGH ADMINISTRATION IS GOING TO DENY THAT POINT AND ARGUE WITH ME ABOUT IT. NONETHELESS, IN MY PERSPECTIVE, THEY'RE FULLY FUNDED IF WE'RE DOING A BASIC HALF A YEAR YOU SPEND THE HALF THE BUDGET THE OTHER HALF OF THE YEAR YOU STILL GET TO RUN WITH IT. THIS IS NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE TAKING THAT MONEY AND WE'RE GOING TO GO SPEND IT EVERYWHERE. THIS IS SAYING, GOING BACK TO MY ORIGINAL COMMENT, OF MINOR AND MAJOR POTENTIAL, LET'S PUT THIS IN RESERVE. IT IS EXTRA MONEY WE DIDN'T USE AND WE SHOULD SIT ON IN CASE WE NEED IT IN ANOTHER FEW MONTHS. FOR ONE-TIME FUNDING. IF WE DO GREAT WITH REVENUES AND HAVE ALL KINDS OF MONEY COMING IN WE HAVE $20 MILLION -- $12 MILLION THAT WE CAN DO WITH ONE-TIME FUNDING. IN THE ORIGINAL COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE WE PASSED,$8 MILLION WAS ALLOCATED TO THE PINO SETTLEMENT. THAT'S WHERE WE NEGOTIATED AND COMPROMISED TO $20 MILLION. EIGHT HAS BEEN PROMISED. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RESERVING AN EXTRA $12 MILL KRN -- MILLION. THAT'S THIS AMENDMENT. I CAN'T MOVE A SECOND AMENDMENT AT THE SAME TIME. I WANT TO SAY IN CONVERSATION AND I'M GOING TO ALLOW MR. RAEL TO ALLOW IT, A REBUTTAL OF SORTS, IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE ADMINISTRATION THEY SAID WHAT WOULD YOU RATHER SEE AND THEY SAID NOTHING. BUT YOU KNOW HOW ABOUT WE LOOK TOWARD THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. AND SO I SAID WE'LL WRITE UP AN AMENDMENT THAT YOU THINK WOULD BE GOOD. AND I'LL CONSIDER WHICH ONE I'LL MOVE. THEY WROTE UP AN AMENDMENT THAT SAID -- CAN I READ IT AND NOT MOVE IT? ON PAGE NINE, AFTER LINE 17 WE WOULD INSERT SECTION TEN. THAT SAYS THAT IN ORDER TO HELP MAINTAIN STRUCTURAL BALANCE IN THE GENERAL FUND FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024, FROM APRIL 1st 2023 TO JUNE 30th 2023 ALL BUDGET SAVINGS RESULTING FROM VACANTED BUDGETED POSITION FOR THE FOURTH QUARTER REFERRED TO AS SALARY SAVINGS MUST NOT BE EXPENDED FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSE THAN PERSONNEL COST. I THINK WE SHOULD BE DOING THIS ANYWAY. I ALSO REALIZE THERE'S SOME FLUIDITY NECESSARY IN BUDGETING. I ENDED UPCOMING BACK TO THE ADMINISTRATION AND SAYING I LIKE YOUR AMENDMENT TOO. I THINK WE SHOULD DO BOTH. THIS IS WHERE I STAND. I THINK WE SHOULD RESERVE SOME OF THE SALARY SAVINGS THAT WAS NOT USED IN THE FIRST HALF OF THE FISCAL YEAR WHILE ALSO DIRECTING THE CITY DEPARTMENTS TO ONLY USE SALARY FUNDING ON PERSONNEL FUNDING. FOR THE LAST QUARTER OF THE YEAR. WITH THAT, I GUESS I WILL ALLOW QUESTIONS. FOR NOW, I AM MOVING MY AMENDMENT WHICH IS THE FIRST ONE. PLEASE KNOW THAT I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME ARGUMENT THAT -- MAYBE WE SHOULD HEAR FROM THE ADMINISTRATION. >>COUN. DAVIS: LOTS OF QUESTIONS. MR. RAEL IS GOING TO ANSWER THEM BEFORE WE GET THERE. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, THANK YOU FOR MEETING WITH US AND HAVING THE ROBUST CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS ISSUE. LET ME BEGIN BY INDICATING THAT IT WASN'T JUST BACK IN JUP THAT THE COUNCIL PASSED A BUDGET FOR 12 MONTHS? DIRECTLY APPROPRIATING THE APPROPRIATE REVENUES TO THE DIFFERENT LINE ITEMS IN THE BUDGET. WE ALL KNOW THAT THE DYNAMICS OF CITY GOVERNMENT IS THERE ARE SOME DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE A LOT MORE EXPENDITURES AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR MORE HAVE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR AND OTHERS ARE CONSISTENT ACROSS THE BOARD. FOR EXAMPLE THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT OFTENTIMES SPENDS A LOT MORE OF MONEY IN THE SUMMER MONTHS AND THINGS SLOW DOWN FOR THE WINTER MONTH AND WE HAVE ADDITIONAL RESPONSIBILITIES TO GET SUMMER INTERMS AND ALL OTHER EMPLOYEES TO WORK FOR THE SUMMER SEASON. SO, THAT HAPPENS IN SOME OF THE DEPARTMENTS. OTHERS ARE STRUCTURED AND PRETTY FLUID. I THINK THE DILEMMA WITH YOUR AMENDMENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, TO BE SPECIFIC, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE REALLY SAYING THAT THE DEPARTMENTS THAT WORK THROUGH THE COURSE OF THE YEAR TO HIRE EMPLOYEES ON THE PAYROLL TO PROVIDE SERVICES AND THE DEPARTMENTS THAT WERE UNABLE TO FILL VACANT POSITIONS, SOME OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS REVERTED TO USING PART-TIME EMPLOYEES, CONTRACT EMPLOYEES AND/OR USED A BASICALLY HIRING SERVICE LIKE THE ONES WE HAVE IN THE CITY TO HIRE PART-TIME EMPLOYEES TO FUND THOSE POSITIONS WHILE THEY'RE TRYING TO FILL THEM AND CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES. IN ESSENCE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TO THE DEPARTMENTS IS BECAUSE YOU'RE FRUGAL OR TRIED TO WORK REALLY HARD TO GET YOUR POSITIONS AND SERVICES THAT NOW WE'RE COMING IN AND TAKING THE MONEY FROM YOU IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR. WHERE THOSE DEPARTMENTS MAY BE LOOKING AT CONTINING TO HIRE PLEASE AND KEEP THEM HIRED AND RECRUIT ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEES INTO THE SECOND HALF OF THE YEAR. NOW ALL OF THE SALARY SAVINGS IN EACH DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO BE WIPED OUT IN THE PRE-TEXT WE PUT THIS INTO A RESERVE AND MAYBE IF WE NEED MORE MONEY WE COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS. WE'RE NOW LOOKING AT LAST FOUR MONTHS OF THE YEAR BY THE TIME OUR PROCESS WORKS THROUGH EVEN IF WE DID COME BACK FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS WE'RE GOING TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUDGET FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING TO YOU, COUNCILORS, WE HAVE PROPOSED A WAY TO GET TO THE SAME PLACE GOING LOOKING FORWARD AS OPPOSED TO LOOKING BACK. AND THE IDEA WAS THAT IF WE ARE SO INCLINED TO WANT TO USE SALARY SAVINGS AS TO CREATE A RESERVE, THEN LOOKING AT IT FORWARD IN TERMS OF THE LAST QUARTER OF THE YEAR, IS MORE APPROPRIATE BECAUSE NOW A DEPARTMENT KNOWS WHAT THEY GOT UP TO THAT POINT. NOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT WHAT THEY HAVE BEFORE IS GONE AND NOW IF YOU WANT TO USE AND DO OTHER THINGS GOING FORWARD, YOU ONLY HAVE THREE MONTHS OR FOUR MONTHS TO ACCUMULATE THAT FUNDS FOR THE SERVICE. MY PERSPECTIVE WAS WHEN WE SPOKE EARLIER ABOUT THIS, COUNCILOR, WAS TO LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT WAY DEPARTMENTS CAN PLAN FOR THE NEXT FOUR MONTHS AND MAKE A BETTER DECISION ABOUT HOW THEY'RE GOING TO USE THOSE WHATEVER THE VACANCIES THEY HAVE AND HOW TO MOVE EMPLOYEES TO DO THE WORK AND STILL COME UP WITH THERE SAVINGS THAT WE MAY WANT. THIS OTHER WAY WE'RE TAKING THE FUNDS THEY HAVE AVAILABLE TO DO THEIR JOBS. I'M GOING TO BE REALLY CLEAR, I THINK THIS IS DEMORALIZING TO PROVIDE SERVICE TO YOU AND THE CITIZENS OF ALBUQUERQUE AND COO DO THE WORK OF THE SIT. WE'RE DOING BUDGETS EVERY, I GUESS IF WE START THIS EFFORT, WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK DOING THE BUDGET EVERY SIX MONTHS WHEN WE ACTUALLY PASSED THE BUDGET THAT WAS A 12-MONTH BUDGET. IN THE SPIRIT OF COOPERATION AND GET TO WHERE COUNCILOR BASSAN FELT WAS RIGHT IT WAS THE AMENDMENT WE PROPOSED. I THINK IT'S A HUGE MISTAKE TO PASS BOTH OF THEM. I THINK THAT WILL NOT HELP THE ISSUE AS IT RELATES TO THE REST OF THIS CURRENT YEAR AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. AND LOOK, THE LAST BUT NOT LAST, YOU ALL KNOW AS COUNCILORS THAT WE HAVE A PROGRAM BUDGET. WE DON'T BUDGET BY POSITIONS. SO, YOU BUDGET BY PROGRAM. AND THE ADMINISTRATION HAS THE ABILITY TO HIRE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE NECESSARY TO DO THE WORK IN EACH OF THESE PROGRAMS. SO, TO CALL THIS SALARY SAVINGS BECAUSE IT ALMOST FEELS LIKE WE'RE NOT HIRING PEOPLE. LET ME TELL YOU, I'M TRYING EVERY DAY DESPERATELY AND THE DEPARTMENT TO HIRE THE RITH PEOPLE TO FILL THE JOBS. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE DOING TWO OR THREE JOBS AND PRIVATE EMPLOYMENT SERVICES HELPING US DO THAT WORK. I DON'T THINK THIS SENDS THE RIGHT MESSAGE. IF WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE MONEY AND THAT'S REALLY THE GOAL, WE CAN CERTAINLY IN THE LAST FOUR MONTHS OF THE YEAR GIVE THE DEPARTMENTS A WAY TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE AND SAVE THOSE REVENUES IF THE GOAL IS TO CREATE AN INTERIM FUND THAT WOULD HELP US WITH THE BUDGET GOING FORWARD. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, MR. RAEL. WE'LL GO TO A FEW COUNCILOR QUESTIONS AND CIRCLE BACK TO THE COUNCILOR SPONSOR. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I KNOW THIS IS A SEPARATE ISSUE. HAVE WE SEEN THE FIVE-YEAR FORECAST REPORT? IT WAS DUE IN DECEMBER. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR GROUT, NO WE HAVE NOT SEEN THE FORECAST. THE INITIAL REPORT WE RECEIVED WAS IN NOVEMBER. THAT'S A PRELIMINARY REPORT. THE OFFICIAL FIVE-YEAR FORECAST WE SHOULD RECEIVE AROUND DECEMBER TIMEFRAME. >>COUN. GROUT: WHEN WILL WE SEE THAT REPORT? >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR GROUT, I THINK WE ARE FINALIZING THAT REPORT. IT SHOULD BE COMING TO YOU WITHIN A WEEK. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. >> I'M NOT SURE THERE'S A DEADLINE FOR THAT. I AGREE THAT NORMALLY WE SUBMIT THAT IN DECEMBER, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S A REQUIREMENT. >> MR. PRESIDENT, IT'S ORDINANCE 2-2-5 THAT INDICATES THAT THE FIVE-YEAR FORECAST SHOULD BE SUBMITTED IN DECEMBER OF EVERY YEAR. >>COUN. DAVIS: THIS IS THE NEXT CHAPTER OF SALARY SAVINGS. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN THE ADMINISTRATION SAY THIS IS HOW WE FREEZE SALARIES AND NOT MOVE THEM OVER. I APPRECIATE THAT. THAT SHOULD BE THE ORDINANCE WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DRAFT. I'D LOVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION IN OUR BUDGET COMMITTEE ABOUT THAT. I THINK THE FRUSTRATION WE'RE HEARING BACK AND FORTH IS WE CAN'T GET A STRAIGHT NUMBER FROM THE ADMINISTRATION WHEN WE ASK ON A DAILY BASIS WHERE ARE WE IN TERMS OF LOOKING FORWARD. WE REALIZE THERE'S QUESTIONS IN SANTA FE THAT WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR. IT IS FRUSTRATING THAT WE CAN'T GET A FORECAST WHEN IT'S DUE SO WE CAN HELP START MAKING DECISIONS AND EVALUATE BUDGET REQUESTS. I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE ADMINISTRATION IN MY OPINION SQUIN PUBLIC ABOUT SPECULATING ABOUT RECORD NUMBERS OF CAPITAL BUDGET THIS YEAR SCARE ME BECAUSE THE ECONOMIC CONDITIONS FOR THAT ARE NOT GOOD. THE LAST TIME WE WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND AND MAXED OUT OUR CAPACITY OUR ECONOMY FELL APART AND HAD TO PAY WITH GENERAL FUND. THAT WAS A RISK WE TOOK TO DO SOME OF THE THINGS. WHAT I KEEP HEARING AND COUNCILOR LEWIS IS RIGHT ON THIS, OUR BUDGET HAS GROWN, THE FEDS GAVE US MONEY THAT WAS ALLOWING US TO DO STRUCTURE CHANGES. WE'VE INCREASED SALARIES FOR HARD TO RECRUIT POSITIONS, WE PUT MONEY INTO ONE TIME. WE GAVE -- I'M GOING TO USE THE WRONG TERM, ESSENTIALLY, WE REWARDED EMPLOYEES FOR WORKING THROUGH COVID AND STICKING WITH US A LITTLE WHILE. AND GAVE THEM AN INCENTIVE AND DID LOTS OF CAPITAL EQUIPMENT WE NEEDED. ALL OF THAT MADE OUR CITY BETTER AND MORE RESILIENT. BUT WE DO, MR. RAEL, HAVE A PROGRAM BUDGET VERSUS A POSITION BUDGET. WE HAVE BIG BUCKETS OF STUFF AND THE ADMINISTRATION HAS LOTS OF LATITUDE TO MOVE THAT MONEY AROUND. WE CAN'T EVEN ON A 90-DAY BASIS, NO ONE CAN TELL US HOW MUCH MONEY REMAINS IN A PROGRAM. NO ONE CAN TELL US THIS IS FOR PERSONNEL WHETHER IT WENT FOR STAFFING OR WHETHER THEY TURNED THAT INTO A CONTRACT FOR A DIFFERENT TYPE OF PROGRAM WITHOUT NOTICE. IT IS INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATING. I UNDERSTAND WHY WHEN WE HEAR FROM OUR OWN ADMINISTRATION THAT SAYS WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE BUDGET NEXT YEAR BUT WE DON'T HAVE A FORECAST OF HOW MUCH REVENUE WE HAVE THAT WE NEED AS A COUNCIL BUT GUARDRAILS ON HOW WE SPEND THE LAST PIECE OF MONEY. I DON'T THINK IT'S UNFAIR FOR US TO SAY WHAT WE THOUGHT IN JUNE IS NOT WHAT WE THOUGHT IN DECEMBER. AND SO WE NEED TO FIX IT. THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE PROCESS. I UNDERSTAND IT CAN BE DEMORALIZING TO WORK ALL YEAR ON A BUDGET, BUT WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS. I'VE BEEN HERE EIGHT YEARS AND WE'VE NEVER NOT CHANGED THE BUDGET ACROSS THE YEAR. REALLY IN MID-YEAR WE DO OUR BEST TO GIVE DEPARTMENTS FOR PROGRAMS AND IN OTHER YEARS WE TIGHTEN THE BELT. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THIS. IT CONCERNS ME MORE THAT WE'RE STILL HAVING THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT SALARY SAVINGS VERSING OPERATING AND SOME OF IT GOES TO STAFFING AND I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT SOME OF IT GOES TO PROGRAMS WE'VE NEVER AUTHORIZED. AND IT GOES TO THINGS THAT -- IT CONCERNS ME. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT. I DON'T NEED TO BEAT THE DEAD HORSE. I THINK THE ADMINISTRATION'S PROPOSAL SETS A DEADLINE AND COME BACK AND GIVE US A DETAILED LIST OF WHERE THEY RESERVE THE SAVINGS. MAYBE WHAT I'M TRYING TO ASK IS THERE A REASON WE CAN'T SET THOSE FUNDS ASIDE OTHER THAN IT'S INCONVENIENT. I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT PRACTICAL FOR HOW WE RUN THE CITY EVERY DAY. IS THERE A REASON TO NOT SIT THEM ASIDE AND HAVE THE ADMINISTRATION ASK THEM TO LET THEM HAVE IT WHEN THEY NEED THEM. IT DOESN'T SEEM REAL WE DON'T KNOW SIX MONTHS OUT HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE. >> MR. PRESIDENT, LOOK, I APPRECIATE THE FRUSTRATION THAT YOU REPRESENTED AND RECENTLY ARE ABLE TO BE BETTER AT REPORTING THOSE TO YOU. AND WE'LL GET -- >>COUN. DAVIS: I'M GOING TO INTERRUPT YOU AND SAY, NO DISRESPECT TO ANYBODY IN THE ROOM, WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 18 MONTHS OF ASKING FOR ONE REPORT OF SALARY SAVING, WE CAN'T GET IT. IT'S INACCURATE. IT'S SIX MONTHS LATE. WE ASKED FOR A REVISED VERSION. WE GET NOTHING FROM THE DEPARTMENTS. THEY DON'T RESPOND. THEY DON'T GIVE DETAIL. AND THEY ASK FOR ANOTHER APPROPRIATION FOR MONEY. IT'S NOT TRUE THEY TRY BECAUSE THEY DO NOT. >> MR. PRESIDENT, UNDERSTOOD. POINT MADE. LET ME SAY THIS. I ALSO FEEL LIKE THERE'S A LEVEL OF RESPONSIBILITY ON BOTH SIDES. WE'RE DOING A CLEAN UP. THERE WAS $15 MILLION IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET THAT WAS SET ASIDE FOR A PROJECT. THAT DIDN'T COME TO FRUITION. WE CAME BACK TO THE COUNCIL AND IN THE CLEAN UP AND SAID LET'S MOVE THE MONEY HERE. AND THIS VERY CLEAN UP WE MOVED $5 MILLION INTO CAPITAL PROGRAMS THAT WEREN'T AUTHORIZED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. THEY'RE ALL COUNCIL AMENDMENTS TO THE BUMTH TO ADD TO USE GENERAL FUND MONEY FOR CAPITAL. WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT BEFORE EITHER. THIS COMES TO US IN THIS PROCESS AS AN AMENDMENT WE HAVE NO OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION. ON MOST OCCASIONS I THINK YOU'LL AGREE WITH ME WE LOOKED AND SAY LET'S WORK WITH THE COUNCIL TO GET WHAT THEY WANT DONE AND WORK WITH THEM. IN THIS CASE, WHAT I'M ASKING IS SIMPLY THE SAME. DEPARTMENTS ARE WORKING HARD TO DELIVER SERVICES. I GET THE FACT YOU THINK THERE'S FUNDS TO PUT IN RESERVE. I OFFERED A WAY TO DO THAT. WHICH IS THE AMENDMENT WE OFFERED BEFOREHAND. HAPPENS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE PROCESS. I THINK IT'S EQUAL AND FAIR TO SAY WE DO IT TO EACH OTHER. >>COUN. DAVIS: THAT'S FAIR. >> SO, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AND FROM A BUDGETING PERSPECTIVE, IF WE COULD WORK THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND NOT CREATE THIS KIND OF SITUATION WHERE WE ARE EVALUATING BUDGETS EVERY SIX MONTHS, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO BUDGET AND PLAN ON A SIX-MUNALITY STRUCTURE. AND THIS IS WHAT THIS IS BEGINNING TO LOOK LIKE. THAT'S WHY I AM REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT MOVING IN THIS DIRECTION TODAY. WE CERTAINLY SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS DOWN THE ROAD. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR JONES. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, DID YOU HAVE A FOLLOW UP? AND COUNCILOR BASSAN TO CLOSE OR FOLLOW UP. GO AHEAD, COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE A COUPLE OF THINGS. YOU KNOW, I DID BEGIN THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION WITH I REALLY HOPE THE COUNCIL RESPECTS THAT THIS IS NOT ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO FOR A MONEY GRAB FOR ONE-TIME PROJECTS. THIS IS NOT ABOUT THAT. THIS IS ABOUT PUTTING SOME FUNDING THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED INTO RESERVE SO THAT WE CAN, AND I DEAGREE IT'S INCONVENIENT, BUT I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS FROM THE PERSPECTIVE ALL ALONG THAT THE DEPARTMENTS NEED IT FOR WHATEVER THE PURPOSE IS OTHER THAN SALARIES, COME TO US AND ASK FOR US FOR IT. I'M HAPPY TO SPONSOR THE BILL. I'M HAPPY TO ASK FOR IMMEDIATE ACTION. I'M HAPPY TO TRY TO GET IT THROUGH AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. THAT WAY THERE'S THAT TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR. I BELIEVE THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO HIRE. I THINK THAT'S HAPPENING. I UNDERSTAND IT'S A NATIONAL PROBLEM WITH STAFFING AND HIRING. BUT WE BUDGETED ALL THESE FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES. WE HAVEN'T HIRED THEM. LET'S PUT THAT MONEY IN RESERVE IN CASE -- IF THE DEPARTMENTS NEED, I'M TALKING ALL THE DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY, IF YOU HAVE THE MONEY AND WE END UP PUTTING TIN RESERVE AND YOU NEED IT BACK CALL ME. CALL ME. I WILL GO TO EACH OF THE COUNCILORS AND I BELIEVE FROM THE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD IF IT'S NOT FOR PAINT SWATCHES AND NEW CHAIRS WE'LL PROBABLY DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO SUPPORT TO GET THAT FUNDING TO YOU BEFORE THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE TO TIGHTEN OUR BELTS. WE'VE ALL BEEN HEARING IT. WE'RE ALL SAYING IT. ARE WE GOING TO MAKE A HARD DECISION NOW OR IN FY24? I'M NOT TRYING TO DEMORALIZE ANY DEPARTMENT, BUT IT'S GOING TO GET REALLY UGLY REAL SOON FROM WHAT WE'RE HEARING. WHETHER THE STATE PASSES THIS BILL OR NOT. ARE WEIGATE TRY TO FIND A WAY TO EASE US ALL INTO IT WHILE HAVING SOME ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY? OR ARE WE FWOOT SAY OKAY LET'S FINISH THIS RACE AND START FROM SCRATCH. THAT MAKES ME INCREDIBLY NERVOUS. I DON'T MEAN TO DEMORALIZE. BUT I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE SAYING LET'S PUT IT IN RESERVE AND ASK FOR IT AND WE'LL GET IT BACK TO YOU AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. I WILL TRY TO GET IT BACK TO YOU AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF HAVING A MAJOR CLEAN UP IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO CLEAN IT UP ALL THE WAY. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO. I REALLY HOPE WE CONTINUE DOWN THIS PATH. I WANT TO RESERVE THIS FUNDING. I DON'T WANT TO SPEND IT ON ONE-TIME COST UNTIL WE DO THE MID-YEAR 2024 CLEAN UP. WE CAN SAY LOOK AT THIS EXTRA. THEN WE CAN DO SOMETHING WITH ONE-TIME COST. I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD. LET'S USE THIS TO BE SMART. IN ADVANCE RATHER THAN RETRO SPECTIVELY. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANYTHING ELSE? WE'LL TAKE THAT AS A CLOSE. WOULD YOU REMIND US WHAT THE AMENDMENT THAT WE'RE COVERING IS? IT'S FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX. I THINK IT IS THE ADMINISTRATION'S VERSION -- NO, IT'S COUNCILOR BASSAN'S VERSION. DON'T WE HAVE TO EXTEND THIS A LITTLE LONGER? I MAKE A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES AND EXTEND THE MEETING UNTIL 11 O'CLOCK. WE'VE GOT A FEW OTHER THINGS HERE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES? I'M SORRY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. OUR MEETING IS EXTENDED. THANK YOU FOR ALL THE CONTEXT. I UNDERSTAND THE ADMINISTRATION'S FRUSTRATION. I KNOW WE ALL WORK ON CHANGING BUDGETS TO ACCOMMODATE EACH OTHER. I'M NOT MAD AT YOU OR FOLKS, BUT I THINK THIS IS JUST CONTINUING TO BE A THING. OF COURSE AS PEOPLE SUGGESTED IT'S GOING TO BE TIGHTER. THOSE CONVERSATIONS GET HARDER. MR. RAEL, SPECIFICALLY TO THE AMENDMENT, THAT'S ON THE FLOOR FOR THE $12 MILLION RESERVE AND IT GIVES THE ADMINISTRATION THE ABILITY TO JUST NOTIFY THE COUNCIL OF ITS PLAN BY THE MARCH 6th MEETING, WHAT'S THE ADMINISTRATION'S POSITION ON THIS AMENDMENT THAT'S ON THE FLOOR AT THE MOMENT? >> MR. PRESIDENT, THIS PARTICULAR AMENDMENT, WE OPPOSE THE AMENDMENT. I THINK THIS IS AMENDMENT IS NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE BUDGETING PROCESS. HOWEVER, IF THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO PASS THE AMENDMENT, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE MAYOR WILL WANT TO WEIGH IN ON THE CONVERSATION AND REVIEW THE TIMELINE. AGAIN, I WOULD GO BACK TO THE POINT THAT I MADE EARLIER. WE GET THE INTENT WHICH IS TO SAVE THE FUNDS. WE DON'T HAVE A HUGE DISAGREEMENT ON THE ISSUE. I THINK THE AMOUNT AND THE PROCESS THAT THIS GOES THROUGH SETS A BAD PRECEDENT AND CREATES AN ISSUE WITH THE OPERATIONS OF DAY TO DAY GOVERNMENT. IF WE CAN LOOK FORWARD AS OPPOSED TO TAKING WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST IS GIVES THEM A WAY TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE WHICH IS WHY I PROPOSED THE OTHER AMENDMENT. IT GETSTUSE THE SAME POINT BUT IT GIVES A BETTER PLAN GOING FORWARD. >>COUN. DAVIS: I UNDERSTAND THAT. SOMEWHAT THE PRACTICAL DIFFERENCE? I THINK YOURS SAID ANYTHING EXPENDED IN THE FOURTH QUARTER KIND OF CAN'T BE TRANSFERRED WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION. THIS SAYS COME BACK AND GIVE US A NOTICE OF HOW YOU WOULD RESERVE THAT MONEY. OR PLAN TO REDUCE THE PROGRAMS TO ACCOMMODATE THE RESERVE. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? TO ME THIS IS SAYING SEND US AN EC AND HERE'S THE LIST. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, IF I MAY? THIS IS MOVING $12 MILLION TO THE RESERVE. IT'S NOT TO TELL THEM TO COME UP WITH A PLAN. TO CLARIFY, ORIGINALLY THE AMENDMENT THAT WE CAME UP WITH IDENTIFIED WHICH DEPARTMENT WE WOULD MOVE EACH SPECIFIC DOLLAR AMOUNT FROM. BECAUSE THE MAYOR WOULD WANT TO WEIGH IN AND THE ADMINISTRATION HAD DIFFERENT EQUATIONS AND BALANCES AND DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS IT WAS COMPROMISED THAT THE ADMINISTRATION AND OMD CAN SIT HERE AND COME BACK TO US AND TELL US WHICH DEPARTMENTS THEY TOOK. BECAUSE ORIGINALLY WE LOOKED AT AFR FOR EXAMPLE EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVEN'T USED HALF OF THEIR SALARIES IN THE FIRST HALF OF THE YEAR, HISTORICALLY SPEAKING THEY DO USE IT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR BECAUSE OF OVERTIME, BECAUSE OF THE STAFFING SHORTAGE, THEY USE IT ON SALARIES, SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE THAT HALF. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS EVALUATED AND HOW WE DECIDED ON WHICH DEPARTMENTS TO TAKE FROM. IN THE END, IT WAS REQUESTED THAT AT LEAST WE LET OMB COME. I WANTED A DEADLINE OF TELLING US WHERE TO TAKE IT FROM. I DON'T THINK THEY TAKE IT FROM AFR OR APD BUT THOSE WERE TWO AREAS I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE SUPPORT IS THERE. I THINK IT WILL BE THEREFROM THE ADMINISTRATION BUT THE ACCOUNTABILITY AND COMMUNICATION SHOULD BE THERE AS WELL. >>COUN. DAVIS: THAT'S GREAT EXPLANATION. I WON'T BELABOR THIS. I THINK YOU MADE A FINER POINT ON WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO. THE DIFFERENCE I SEE IN THE ADMINISTRATION'S AMENDMENT AND THIS ONE IS THAT THEY ONE IS AS I READ IT IN PASSING AND REVIEW HERE WAS ANY FUNDS IN PENDED IN APRIL 1. THAT LEAVES A MONTH OR SO IN MARCH FOR FOLKS TO DO UNNOTICED CHANGES. THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING. MR. RAEL, IS THAT WHAT HAPPENED? THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD NOT BE RESTRICTED FROM TRANSFERRING THOSE FUNDS DURING MARCH BEFORE WE GET TO FOURTH QUARTER? I'M NOT OPPOSED TO YOUR AMENDMENT IT MAKES SENSE. BUT IT DOESN'T SOLVE WHAT YOUR ADMINISTRATION TELLS US IS A FORECAST PROBLEM NOW. >> ADJUST TO TAKE THE STEP FURTHER, WHY DO WE DO A 12-MONTH BUDGET? WHY NOT JUST DO IT ON A MONTH TO MONTH BASIS. THERE'S NOTHING I'M GOING TO DO IN 30 DAYS THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE WHAT I'M DOING. I DON'T MEAN THAT ON A PERSONAL LEVEL. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I HAVE 30 DAYS TO CHANGE SOMETHING. IF I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO CHANGE TIN SIX MONTHS 30 DAYS IS NOT GOING TO MAKE THE CHANGE. LET ME JUST SUGGEST THIS, WE'LL WORK WITH THE COUNCIL ON THIS AND MAKE AND SEE AND NOTIFY THE COUNCIL. I JUST FEEL LIKE IF WE PASS A BUDGET AND WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME, YOU ALL SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND WE HAVE TO PRESENT THE BUDGET IN ABOUT 30 DAYS, TO THE COUNCIL, STARTING IN APRIL, YOU'LL SPEND THE NEXT THREE MONTHS REVIEWING THAT BUDGET AND THEN WE'RE COMING BACK AND SECOND GUESSING THE BUDGET IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR. I KNOW THERE'S AN ISSUE. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT. THERE'S A FINANCIAL ISSUE WE'VE GOT TO WORK THROUGH. YOU ALL KNOW AND ESPECIALLY THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN IN THE COUNCIL FOR MANY YEARS, WE'RE REQUIRED BY STATE LAW TO HAVE A BALANCED BUDGET. WE'LL WORK THROUGH IT AND MAKE THE DIFFICULT DECISIONS. AND YOU'LL MAKE THE DECISIONS LONG WITH THE MAYOR AND ADMINISTRATION. WE'LL WALK THROUGH THAT. AGAIN, I'LL SAY THE ONLY REASON WE SUPPORTED THE OTHER AMENDMENT WAS IN THE SPIRIT OF COOPERATION TO GET US TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN FIND A WAY TO MANAGE THE EXPENDITURES. >>COUN. DAVIS: UNDERSTOOD. I AGREE WITH YOU. AND UNDERSTAND THE ADMINISTRATION'S POSITION. I THINK IT'S OUR JOB TO BE SURE WE'RE ALSO DOING THE SAME AND WE'VE GOT TO FIND COMPROMISE. AND APPRECIATE THAT. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I KNOW WE'RE NOT VOTING ON IT. CAN WE SEE THE ADMINISTRATION'S PROPOSAL ONE MORE TIME? WE DIDN'T HAVE IT HERE. I FIND IT HARD TO VOTE ON SOMETHING WITHOUT HAVING SEEN IT. OKAY. CAN SOMEONE READ THAT FOR THOSE OF US THAT CANNOT POSSIBLY SEE THIS FAR? >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, MAY I? ON PAGE NINE AFTER LINE 17 WE WOULD INSORT -- INSERT SECTION TEN. IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN STRUCTURAL BALANCE IN THE GENERAL FUND FROM APRIL 1, 2023, TO JUNE 30, 2023 ALL BUDGET. -- REFERRED TO AS SALARY SAVINGS MUST NOT BE EXPENDED FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSE THAN PERSONNEL COST. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THESE ARE OVERLAPPING. THE FIRST AMENDMENT WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON NOW IS FOR THE WHOLE YEAR. THE $12 MILLION IS THE BALANCE -- NO? >>COUN. BASSAN: THE $12 MILLION IS REFERENCING ONLY THE FIRST HALF OF 23 WHICH IS ALREADY GONE. THIS WOULD BE DIRECTING IN THE FINAL QUARTER OF FY23 TO NOT SPEND THE BUDGET SAVING RESULTING FROM VACANT BUDGETED POSITION FOR THE FOURTH QUARTER ON ANYTHING OTHER THAN PERSONNEL COSTS. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. ONE CAN ASSUME THAT IF THINGS REMAIN THE SAME, THE LAST QUARTER WOULD BE -- WE WOULD GET AROUND SIX MILLION? IF ALL THINGS STAY EQUAL, I KNOW THAT'S A BALL PARK. >>COUN. BASSAN: OR WE FULLY STAFF THE DEPARTMENTS AND WE HAVE A FULLY FUNCTIONED STAFF AND AMAZING CITY WHICH IS ALL OUR DESIRES? >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. SEEING NONE. AND NOTHING FROM OUR CLRZ -- COUNCILORS BY REMOTE. WE'LL CLOSE THE DEBATE. COUNCILOR BASSAN, DO YOU WANT TO CLOSE? >>COUN. BASSAN: I JUST WANT TO SAY IN FULL DISCLOSURE THE ADMINISTRATION HAD NO IDEA WHEN THEY GAVE ME THIS AMENDMENT THAT I WAS GOING TO END UP CHOOSING TO MOVE BOTH. I LIKE THEM BOTH. I THINK WE SHOULD DO IT. THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION. IF THIS DOESN'T WORK, I'LL ADMITTED. AND WE WON'T DO IT AGAIN. UNLESS ONE OF YOUBRIS IT UP AGAIN. I THINK THIS IS WORTH A SHOT. IF DOESN'T WORK I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT THIS INTO LAW OR ANY ORDINANCE SAYING WE HAVE TO DO THIS EVERY SINGLE YEAR. I'M SAYING LET'S TRY THIS. SOMETHING NEW. TO TRY TO TIGHTEN IT UP AND BE PROACTIVE. >>COUN. DAVIS: CAN I ASK A QUESTION? IF WE DO THIS TONIGHT BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING TO DO THE RESERVE TO SET UP BETTER. IF THE MAYOR WANTS TO WEIGH IN AND WE DETERMINE A DIFFERENT PATH FORWARD, WE COULD COME BACK AND AMEND THIS ORDINANCE IN A FUTURE DATE BETWEEN JUNE AND JULY AND EVEN BY IMMEDIATE ACTION IF WE NEEDED TO? >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, YES. I AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK THAT'S PART OF MR. RAEL'S ARGUMENT OF WHY ARE WE GOING TO DO THAT EVERY MONTH. I THINK THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. ESPECIALLY WITH SOMETHING BRAND NEW. IF WE SEE THAT OH, GOSH THEY DID SOMETHING CRAZY AND SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT, WE CAN COME BACK AND CHANGE IT UP AGAIN. HOPEFULLY YOU'LL JUST THANK ME. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. SEEING NO OTHER. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: NO. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: NO. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: NO. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES ON A 6-3 VOTE. >>COUN. DAVIS: THAT WAS AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX. IS THAT THE LAST ONE YOU HAD MOVED? >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I HAVE AMENDMENT SERVEN. WHICH IS THE ADMINISTRATION'S AMENDMENT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT. THE GOOD NEWS IS WE PROBABLY WON'T TALK ABOUT IT TOO MUCH. I LIKE MOVE AMENDMENT NUMBER SEVEN. IN ORDER TO HELP MAINTAIN STRUCTURAL BALANCE IN THE FUND FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024 FROM APRIL 1, 2023, TO JUNE 30, 2023 ALL BUDGET SAVINGS FROM VACANT BUDGETED POSITIONS REFERRED TO AS SALARY SAVINGS MUST NOT BE EXPENDED FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSE THAN PERSONNEL COST. >>COUN. DAVIS: MOTION AND SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. COUNCILORS, DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT? MR. RAEL, ANYTHING FURTHER? >> IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THE OTHER AMENDMENT WAS PASSED, WE ASK THE COUNCIL TO NOT SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT. I THINK THE $12 MILLION RESERVE IS PLENTY OF RESERVE MOVING FORWARD AND QUITE FRANKLY THE OTHER AMENDMENT CREATES WITH PASSAGE OF THIS AMENDMENT CREATES A DEEPER CONCERN AS IT RELATES TO WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN CONTINUE TO OPERATE CERTAIN SERVICES WITHIN THE CITY. I REALLY REQUEST THE COUNCIL NOT CONSIDER SUPPORTING THIS AMENDMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN HAS A QUESTION AND TO THE SPONSOR. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. CAN YOU GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF SOME SERVICE YOU THINK MIGHT BE CUT WITH THIS PASSAGE OF THIS AMENDMENT? >> MR. PRESIDENT, FOR EXAMPLE, PARKS AND RECREATION WE'RE GOING TO START HIRING SUMMER EMPLOYEES. NOW IN MARCH. TO GET A LOT OF SUM EMPLOYEES INTO THE RESPECTIVE POSITIONS SO WE CAN OPEN POOLS AND ALL THE OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT ARE REQUIRED DURING THE SUMMER MUNALITYS. AND THAT'S TRUE IN FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES AND ALSO TRUE IN CULTURAL SERVICES. FOR EXAMPLE. ADDITIONALLY, IF WE ARE -- I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT ON THE PUBLIC SERVICE DEPARTMENTS LIKE ACS AND THE WORK THEY'RE DOING TO TRY TO GET TO 24-7. IF THAT MONEY IS FURTHER REDUCED THEN WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET TO THAT POINT. I ALSO AM CONCERNED ABOUT TOSOME EXTENT IN SOME OF THE CONTINUED WORK WE'RE DOING WITH APD AS IT RELATES TO TRYING TO MOVE OFFICERS FROM DESK JOBS ET CETERA, THIS MIGHT HAVE AN IMPACT ON THAT AS WELL. I HAVE NOT ASLENNED -- ANALYZED THAT IN LARGE DETAIL AS OTHERS. >>COUN. DAVIS: OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO TO THE SPONSOR? COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, MR. RAEL, EVERYTHING YOU LISTED IS PERSONNEL. IT WOULD STILL BE THERE. IN THE FOURTH QUARTER. RIGHT? FOR SUMMER EMPLOYEES AND ALL OF THESE DEPARTMENTS, THEY WOULD HAVE THEIR FULL FUNDING AS ALLOCATED IN FY23 BUDGET TO BE ABLE TO HIRE ALL OF THE SUMMER EMPLOYEE. IF THEY GO ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT THEY CAN COME BACK TO US AND ASK FOR A PORTION OF THE $12 MILLION. THIS AMENDMENT IS NOT MOVING INTO RESERVE. THIS IS JUST SAYING MAKE SURE THAT FUNDING FOR SALARY SAVINGS IS USED ONLY ON PERSONNEL COSTS. FOR THAT LAST QUARTER. I GUESS IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, MAYBE TO EXPLAIN ONE MORE TIME. THE ASSUMPTION WITH THE PREVIOUS AMENDMENT IS WE'RE SPENDING MONEY AT 1/12 BASIS AT THE SAME RATE. LIKE I SAID EARLIER, THERE'S SOME DEPARTMENTS THAT GEAR UP AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR AND THERE'S NOT AS MUCH PENGSDTURES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR AND THEN YOU'RE UP AGAIN AT THE END OF THE YEAR. WHEN YOU TAKE THAT MUCH MONEY ACROSS THE BOARD YOU'RE GOING TO IMPACT THE ABILITY FOR THE DEPARTMENTS TO NOT JUST EVEN HIRE PERSONNEL BUT OTHER EXPENSES THAT MAY BE REQUIRED WHEN YOU HIRE ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL WHICH IS ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH EQUIPMENT AND THE DELIVERY OF SERVICES IN THE COMMUNITY. THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE IMPACTED BY HIRING MORE PEOPLE ON THE JOB. AGAIN, NOW THIS CREATES A SEPARATE BURDEN FOR THE DEPARTMENTS TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE THEIR OPERATIONS GOING FORWARD. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN HAS A QUESTION. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. NOW I'M CONFUSED BECAUSE ALL THOSE ADDITIONAL NON-PERSONNEL COSTS ARE IN THE BUDGET AND NOT BEING AFFECTED BY THIS. I'M NOT SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING YOUR ANSWER. >> FOR EXAMPLE, MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, THIS IS WE SHOULD ONLY SPEND MONEY ON PERSONNEL IN THE LAST QUARTER OF THE YEAR. IN OTHER WORDS WE CAN'T SPEND ANY OF THOSE FUNDS WE HAVE IN THOSE PROGRAMS THEY ALL NEED TO BE SPENT ON PERSONNEL. IF PERSONNEL NEEDS ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT OR OTHER THINGS TO DO THEIR JOBS IN THE CITY, CONVENIENT SPEND THAT MONEY TO GIVE THEM THE TOOLS THEY NEED TO DO THEIR WORK. IT WAS A WAY TO GET TO A SALARY SAVINGS THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN THE PREVIOUS BILL. THAT'S WHY WE WERE TRYING TO PUT FORTH AN AMENDMENT TO SUPPORT COUNCILOR BASSAN AND CREATE A COLLABORATIVE AND NOW THE SAME AMENDMENT IS BEING USED TO FURTHER REDUCE OUR ABILITIED -- ABILITY TO MANAGE THE ORGANIZATION. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: IF I CAN JUST SAY, AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE THE LANGUAGE IN FRONT OF ME, BUT COUNCILOR BASSAN HAS READ IT TO ME SEVERAL TIMES. MY READ ON THIS AMENDMENT IS THAT IT WOULD BE ONLY MONEY THAT IS SET ASIDE FOR PERSONNEL AND THAT ALL THIS IS SAYING IS IF IT'S SET ASIDE FOR PERSONNEL IT CAN BE ONLY EXPENDED ON PERSONNEL. AND SO I ASSUME THAT ALLOSE OTHER COSTS WERE IN THE BUDGET ORIGINALLY THAT WE PASSED AND ARE NOT BEING TOUCHED. IF I'M MISUNDERSTANDING THIS, PLEASE SET ME STRAIGHT. I'M NOT GETTING -- I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING HOW WE'RE AFFECTING NON-PERSONNEL EXPENSES WHEN IT SEEMS TO ME THIS IS CLEARLY PERSONNEL ONLY. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, AGAIN, WE DON'T FUND BY PERSONNEL. WE FUND BY PROGRAM. SO, IN THE PROGRAMS THEMSELVES THE ADMINISTRATION HAS THE PREROGATIVE TO HIRE THE PERSONNEL NECESSARY TO RUN THE PROGRAMS. HOWEVER, THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS IN HIRING PERSONNEL WHERE YOU NEED EQUIPMENT AND OTHER RESOURCES IT TOO HELP THEM DO THEIR JOB. IF I HIRE -- I CAN HIRE THE PERSONNEL BUT I CAN'T GIVE THEM THE RESOURCES TO DO THEIR JOB BECAUSE THAT AMENDMENT JUST RESTRICTS ME TO HIRING PERSONNEL. THE REASON I SET THE AMENDMENT UP EARLY AS A COMPROMISE WAS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCILOR BASSAN HAD SAID BEFORE YOU WANTED TO DO WAS SAVE PERSONNEL COSTS. THAT'S WHY WE OFFERED THAT AMENDMENT AS A RESULT NOW WE'RE IN THIS PREDICAMENT. >>COUN. GROUT: MR. -- MR. PRESIDENT, I HAVE A QUESTION. DIDN'T WE APPROPRIATE MONEY FOR RESOURCES FOR EQUIPMENT AND STUFF? WHY ARE YOU USING SALARY SAVINGS TO BUY EQUIPMENT? >> COUNCILOR GROUT, COUNCILOR DAVIS, THIS CONCEPT OF SALARY SAVINGS IS A CONCEPT THAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING OVER AND OVER AGAIN. THERE IS EQUIPMENT IN THOSE COMPONENTS BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR AMENDMENT, WE'RE SAYING WE'RE NOT PERMITTED UNDER THIS AMENDMENT TO SPEND ANYTHING ELSE EXCEPT ON SALARIES FOR EMPLOYEES. WITH THIS AMENDMENT. THEREFORE, IF I HAVE ANY INTEREST OR INTENTIONS OF BUYING EQUIPMENT THIS AMENDMENT PROHIBITS THAT FROM HAPPENING. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. ONE MORE QUESTION. I HAVE THE LANGUAGE IN FRONT OF ME, IT SAYS BUDGET SAVINGS RESULTED FROM VACANT BUDGETED POSITIONS FOR THE FOURTH QUARTER MUST NOT BE TENDED FOR ANY PURPOSE THAN PERSONNEL COST. IF THEY'RE VACANT BUDGETED POSITIONS, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT'S NOT PERSONNEL. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR, THE ASSUMPTION WAS THAT WE WOULD PROVIDE -- WE WOULD FREEZE HIRING ANY EMPLOYEES IN THE FOURTH QUARTER. TO SAVE THE DOLLARS. WITH THE AMENDMENT PASSED BEFORE NOW WE'RE HAVING TO SAVE ANOTHER SIX MILLION, SO THE TOTAL IMPACT IF THIS AMENDMENT GOES, NOW WE'RE TALKING A $20 HIMMIAN IMPACT TO GENERAL FUND. THAT'S ONE. NUMBER TWO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE HIRE POLICE OFFICERS OR CADETS AND WE HAVE TO EQUIP THEM, UNDER THAT AMENDMENT, I CAN'T SPEND ANY ADDITIONAL RESOURCES TO FULLY EQUIP THE CADETS OR SECURITY GUARDS OR ANY INDIVIDUALS BECAUSE IT'S JUST FOR PERSONNEL. SO THAT'S WHY THIS AMENDMENT IS MUCH MORE RESTRICTIVE IN THAT WAY. >>COUN. DAVIS: I THINK WE'VE BEAT THIS HORSE. IF THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, WHIDID YOU WRITE THIS AMENDMENT? I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. THE POINT BEING WE SHOULD NOT BE USING SALVY -- SALARY SAVINGS. WE SHOULD USE LINE ITEM AND BUDGET FOR THE AMOUNT OF EQUIPMENT REQUIRED. THAT MONEY REMAINS UNSPENT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HIRE THE PEOPLE UNLESS YOU'VE USED THAT MONEY ON SOMETHING ELSE. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GETTING AT. I REALIZE THAT IS TRADITIONALLY WE USE SALARY SAVINGS FOR THAT. THAT'S WHY WE GET THAT BELATED WORK. I UNDERSTAND. I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET FAR WITH THIS. I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THE SPONSOR. WE DO HAVE MORE THINGS TO DO. WE HAVE ONE MORE AMENDMENT TO COVER AND TEN MINUTES TO TRY. >> NARRATOR: MR. PRESIDENT, I'LL . >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, MR. RAEL DID COME UP WITH THIS WITH THE ADMINISTRATION BECAUSE IT WAS WITH THEM ASSUMING I WOULD DO ONE OR THE OTHER. I'M OWNING THAT. HOWEVER, I AGREE WITH YOU AND WHAT COMMENTS YOU'VE MADE. I UNDERSTAND THE PROGRAMMING. WE SHOULD LOOK AT WE SHOULD MAKE SURE THERE'S DETAILS SO THERE CAN BE THE TRANSPARENCY NEEDED. WITH THAT, ALTHOUGH IT MAY BE REGRETTABLE FOR SOME OR MANY, I DON'T KNOW, COME BACK AND ASK FOR THE FUNDING. YOU WILL SUPPORT IT. I WILL WORK TO GET IT BACK. I WILL WORK TO ENSURE OFFICERS ARE EQUIPPED AND PARKS HAS ALL OF THE LIFEGUARD SUPPLIES AND WHATEVER ELSE WE NEED TO DO. JUST COME BACK AND ASK. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: NO OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT MATTER. I ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL ON NUMBER SEVEN. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: NO. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: NO. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: NO. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: NO. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS SAYS HE'S TRYING TO RECONNECT. >> HOLD THE VOTE FOR JUST A MINUTE. >> SURE. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR LEWIS, ARE YOU WITH US? WE SEE YOU IN THE ZOOM. COUNCILOR LEWIS, ARE YOU WITH US? IF NOT, WE'RE GOING TO CALL IT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THE MATTER IS A 4-4 VOTE. WE DON'T HAVE COUNCILOR LEWIS. I'M GOING TO TRY SOMETHING BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE SHORT ON TIME. WE DO HAVE ANOTHER AMENDMENT. IS THERE A WAY TO -- IS THERE A WAY TO TABLE THIS AMENDMENT AND FREEZE IT? >> IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A WEIRD PROCEDURE, TECHNICALLY, THE VOTE ISN'T FINAL UNTIL THE VOTE IS ANNOUNCED BY THE PRESIDENT AND READ AS FINAL. NOT BEING FINAL, YOU CAN MOVE TO TABLE. WE CAN PICK BACK UP IF WE GET COUNCILOR LEWIS BACK. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE HAVE ANOTHER AMENDMENT THAT'S RELATE TODAY BUDGETS. WOULD IT BE PAYABLE TO DISCUSS IT MAYBE GIVE US A MINUTE TO GIVE COUNCILOR LEWIS A MINUTE TO REJOIN? OR TABLE IT AND COME BACK? >> YOU DISCUSS THE OTHER AMENDMENT. YOU CAN'T MOVE IT. WE CAN'T HAVE TWO MOTIONS ON THE FLOOR. I JUST MISSED A CALL FROM COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. DAVIS: IF IT'S OKAY WITH EVERYBODY. THIS VOTE IS TIED. WE'RE GOING TO FREEZE TIN TIME. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO REDO THE WHOLE THING. I THINK HE'S TRYING TO JOIN US BY PHONE. I THINK WE'LL DISCUSS THE NEXT AMENDMENT EVEN THOUGH WE CAN'T MOVE IT. WE'LL RETURN TO PICK THIS VOTE UP AND WE'LL DO THE NEXT ONE. COUNCILOR PEÑA, IF YOU ARE ABLE TO INTRODUCE ANOTHER AMENDMENT WOULD YOU TELL US WHAT IT WOULD BE? >>COUN. PEÑA: IF THAT WAS POSSIBLE, IT WOULD BE AMENDMENT NUMBER EIGHT. AND SO THIS ONE IS ON PAGE SEVEN, BEFORE LINE ONE, INSERT THE FOLLOWING. THIS IS LG ABATEMENT FUND. JUST WITHOUT ME HAVING TO READ ALL OF IT. IT HAS UNDER FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT TREATMENT OF OPIOID DISORDER $2.2 MILLION IN SUPPORT SERVICES FOR TREATMENT AND RECOVERY. $1.2 MILLION. AND OTHER STRATEGIES WHICH INCLUDES EDUCATION, AND PREGNANT WOMEN THAT HAVE BEEN FROM OPIOIDS. IT'S $1.2 MILLION. EXPLANATION FOR THIS AMENDMENT IS THIS AMENDMENT WILL APPROPRIATE THE OPIOID SETTLEMENT FUNDS RECEIVED TO DATE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ALLOWED USES PER THE MASTER SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT AS ESTABLISHED IN R-22-32. IT WAS I THINK ACTUALLY COUNCILOR DAVIS, YOU AND I IN 2018 PASSED A RESOLUTION FOR THE LAWSUIT. AND IN 22, WE ACTUALLY PUT A RESOLUTION FORWARD ASKING FOR THE MONEY TO BE USED FOR DRUG TREATMENT ONLY. SO IT DIDN'T GET ABSORBED IN THE BUDGET. SO THIS IS JUST ALLOCATING THAT 4 POINT SOMETHING MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE SERVICES. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: I WOULD DO A DO PASS IF WE COULD. >>COUN. DAVIS: I THINK COUNCILOR LEWIS IS JOINING US BY PHONE IN JUST A SECOND OR TWO. COUNCILOR LEWIS, CAN YOU HEAR US NOW? DOES THE MIC WORK? THANK YOU, BOTH. COUNCILOR LEWIS, THANK YOU FOR REJOINING US. WE FROZE THE VOTE. THE CURRENT VOTE IS 4-4. HOW DO YOU VOTE, SIR? >>COUN. LEWIS: YES ON THAT AMENDMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THE VOTE IS NOW 5-4 ON AMENDMENT NUMBER SEVEN. SO THAT PASSES. COUNCILOR PEÑA, YOU'RE NUMBER EIGHT ON OPIOID AMENDMENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES, MR. PRESIDENT. CAN I ACTUALLY MOVE? I MOVE FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER EIGHT. >>COUN. DAVIS: IT'S ALL THOSE THINGS DISCUSSED AND SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN AND OTHERS. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT AMENDMENT? SEEING NONE. WILL THE CLERK PLEASE CALL THE VOTE ON FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER EIGHT? >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILORS, WE'RE WATCHING THE CLOCK. WE HAVE A FEW THINGS TO DO. WE'LL TALK ABOUT PRIORITIES IN AN MINUTE. WE'LL EXTEND THE MEETING UNTIL 11:30. SECOND FROM COUNCILOR BASSAN. WELCOME TO BUDGET SEASON. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE CALL THE VOTE ON THE TIME EXTENSION. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'RE BACK ON THE BILL AS AMENDED SEVERAL TIMES. BACK TO COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. WHEN THE CLERK IS READY, WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. I THINK WE'RE REJOINING COUNCILOR LEWIS. I MIGHT ASK IF WE WAIT FOR A MINUTE TO DO THAT. IF THAT'S OKAY. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YOU CAN SKIP COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. WE'RE GOING TO GIVE COUNCILOR LEWIS ABOUT 30 SECONDS. >>COUN. BENTON: POINT OF ORDER. THIS IS PASSING. >>COUN. BENTON: POINT OF ORDER. DIDN'T THIS JUST PASS? THIS IS GOING TO PASS. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES, SIR. I AGREE. WE WANT TO GIVE THE COUNCILOR JUST A SECOND TO TRY TO WEIGH IN. I THINK THERE'S TECHNICAL ISSUES NOT HIS FAULT. WE WANT TO GIVE HIM JUST A SECOND TO DO THAT. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. I UNDERSTAND THAT COUNCILOR LEWIS IS BACK WITH US. COUNCILOR LEWIS, CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR VOTE? >>COUN. LEWIS: I VOTED YES, THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, FOR YOUR PATIENCE. R-91 PASSES UNANIMOUSLY AS AMENDED. COUNCILORS, THE NEXT UP, WE HAVE COUNCILOR BENTON FOR R-97, COUNCILOR PEÑA 105, MYSELF AND OTHERS 106. THAT DOES NEED TO GO TONIGHT. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN ON 110. SO, REMINDER WE COULD DEFER THESE IF THEY'RE NOT URGENT. I KNOW SOME OF THEM NEED TO PASS. WE'LL DEFER TO SPONSORS IF YOU WANT TO STICK AROUND. COUNCILOR BENTON, R-97. >>COUN. BENTON: I MOVE DEFERRAL UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING. >>COUN. DAVIS: MOTION IS FOR DEFERRAL UNTIL 3-6. WITH GROWNS FROM THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN HERE. WE KNOW WE APPRECIATE THAT. THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND FOR COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. SEEING NO OBJECTION WILL THE CLERK PLEASE KALE THE ROLL ON THE DEFERRAL UNTIL MARCH 6? >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: I'LL ASK THE CLERK, PLEASE PLACE THAT FIRST ON ACTION ITEM FOR THE NEXT MEETING FOR THOSE THAT STUCK AROUND. COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. 105 SHOULD BE SIMPLE. I'M GOING TO START WITH THAT. R105 IS AMENDING THE ADOPTED CAPITAL IMPLEMENTATION PROGRAM BY SUPPLEMENTING APPROPRIATIONS FOR THE NEW FEDERAL FUNDS THROUGH THE GOVERNMENTS METROPOLITAN SIGNING ORGANIZATION AND THE NEW MEXICO DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. I MOVE A DO PASS. I THINK THERE IS ONE AMENDMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THERE'S A MOTION FOR DO PASS. SECOND FROM COUNCILOR BASSAN. WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT. GO AHEAD, COUNCILOR. >>COUN. PEÑA: FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE ON PAGE TWO LINE THREE DELETE THE WORDS TRANSFER FROM 305 AND REPLACE FY23NMDOT. AND DELETE 13 THROUGH 20. DEVARGAS ROAD EXPANDED TO INCLUDE SIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE INTERSECTION AND 98 AND BENAVIDEZ. AND EXPLANATION IS AS NEW FEDERAL FUNDING FROM THE PROGRAM AND ASSOCIATED REQUIREMENTS AND CLARIFIED SCOPE OF THE 98th AND DEVARGAS PROJECT. BASICALLY, WE'RE ADDING NEW FEDERAL FUNDING TO THIS. AND THIS IS SOMETHING FROM MR. MENACUCCI. I WOULD MOVE A DO PASS ON THE AMENDMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: SEVERAL SECONDS FOR THE COUNCILORS AMENDMENT. ANYTHING FROM THE ADMINISTRATION? ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE ON AMENDMENT ONE. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR PEÑA, WE'RE BACK ON THE BILL. >>COUN. PEÑA: URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANYTHING FROM THE ADMINISTRATION? >>COUN. DAVIS: PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES AS AMENDED UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: CONGRATULATIONS. NEXT IS R-106. COUNCILOR BENTON YOU'VE BEEN THE LEAD. WOULD YOU LIKE TO PRESENT? WE HAVE A COUPLE CHANGES. I KNOW THIS IS TIMELY. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. I'LL MOVE A DO PASS ON R-106. THIS IS THE INTENT TO COLLABORATE WITH BERNALILLO COUNTY IN THE ACQUISITION AND REHABILITATION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THE GREATER BENEFIT OF ALL OF US IN THE CITY AND BERNALILLO COUNTY EXPLORING THE VIABILITY OF THE CITY'S HOUSING THORED WITH THE BERNALILLO COUNTY HOUSING AUTHORITY AND ADJUSTING 2023 OPERATING APPROPRIATIONS. >>COUN. JONES: I'LL SECOND THAT. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR JONES. MY APOLOGIES, I DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF. >>COUN. BENTON: I MOVE THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE. IT'S IN YOUR iPADS. FOR ITEM 106. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR JONES OFFERS A SECOND. COUNCILOR BENTON, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE SUB? I THINK THIS JUZ JUST ALIGNS OUR LANGUAGE TO MAKE SURE THOSE MATCH. >>COUN. BENTON: I'LL ASK MR. MELENDREZ. >> THIS IS A JOINT RESOLUTION WITH THE COUNTY, THEY ACTED OPTHEIR END YESTERDAY. THE LANGUAGE IS IDENTICAL. AND THE COUNTY AND CITY WORKED TOGETHER TO GET THEIR BILL TO LOOK VERY SIMILAR SINCE IT'S A COLLABORATIVE PROCESS AND THE FLOOR SUB REFLECTS THAT. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE HAVE A FLOOR SUB , ANY DISCUSSION ON THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE? SEEING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE ON THE FLOOR SUB. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER MOTION. >>COUN. BENTON: I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR ALLOWING THE RULES TO BE ADOPTED THE SAME EVENING IT'S SUBSTITUTED. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR JONES OFFERS SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: I'M SORRY, COUNCILOR BENTON. WE DID HAVE ONE PUBLIC SPEAKER WHO DID NOT HANG ON. SHE SENT AN EMAIL EXPRESSING HER SUPPORT. WE'LL COMMUNICATE THAT HERE. I'M SORRY, COUNCILOR BENTON, GO AHEAD. >>COUN. BENTON: MR. PRESIDENT, I'D LIKE TO MOVE RECONSIDERATION ON R-97 DEFERRAL. >>COUN. DAVIS: LET'S FINISH 106. SO WE CAN FINALIZE 106. ABSOLUTELY. WE'LL GO BACK AND DO THAT. WE'RE ON THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE BILL. IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER, OTHERWISE WE'LL GO TO COUNCILORS AND ADMINISTRATION. >>COUN. BENTON: THAT'S FINE. >>COUN. DAVIS: MR. RAEL. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BENTON, WE HAVE REVIEWED THE AMENDMENT AND WE'RE WANTING TO ASK THE COUNCIL OR COUNCILOR BENTON IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER MOVING THE FUNDING AS BEING ALLOCATED FOR THIS PROGRAM IS COMING OUT OF THE COMMUNITY RECREATION PROGRAM AND FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES THAT IS REALLY NOT A PROGRAM THAT HAS THAT MUCH DOLLARS IN IT. IN LIGHT OF OUR PREVIOUS DISCUSSION, I WAS GOING TO RECOMMEND IF THE COUNCIL WOULD CONSIDER A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO HAVE THE HALF-MILLION DOLLARS COME FROM THE UNRESERVED FUND SO THAT WAY THAT PROGRAM IS NOT IMPACTED SIGNIFICANTLY. >>COUN. BENTON: I THOUGHT WE HAD TAKEN CARE OF THAT. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BENTON, THE APPROPRIATION WAS CHANGED. HOWEVER THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE WAS NOT PROPOSED TO PULL FROM FUND BALANCE, IT WAS TO BE PULLED FROM A DIFFERENT PROGRAM. MR. RAEL IS SUGGESTING ANOTHER CHANGE RELATIVE TO WHAT'S IN THE COMMITTEE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE TO SPECIFICALLY CHANGE THE SOURCE OF THAT $500,000 APPROPRIATION AS OPPOSED TO COMMUNITY RECREATION SAVINGS. >>COUN. BENTON: ALL RIGHT. LET'S DO IT. >>COUN. DAVIS: CAN WE CONSIDER THAT TECHNICAL AMENDMENT? >> MR. PRESIDENT, I THINK WE NEED TO DO IT. THIS IS AMENDMENT TO SECTION FOUR ON PAGE FIVE, LINE, STRIKE LINE 28 THROUGH 30. AND ONLINELEN OF PAGE SIX, $500,000 OF THE AMOUNT SHALL BE APPROPRIATED FROM FUND BALANCE. FOR OPERATIONS OF THE MIDDLE RIO GRANDE HOUSING COLLABORATIVE IN ACCORDANCE TO SECTION TWO AND THREE OF THE RESOLUTION. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'LL ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE VOTE ON AMENDMENT TO THE SUBSTITUTE. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANYTHING ELSE? I DIDN'T MEAN IT THAT WAY. JUST BE SURE TO GET IT COVERED. IT'S LATE, I DON'T WANT US TO COME BACK. COUNCILOR BENTON, ANYTHING ELSE ON R 10E -- R106. ANYTHING? >>COUN. BENTON: I JUST WANT TO THANK THE CO-SPONSORS. YOURSELF, COUNCILOR DAVIS, AND COUNCILOR JONES AND OF COURSE EVERYONE AT THE COUNTY. IT'S AN EXCITING OPPORTUNITY. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. WE'LL HAVE A LOT OF CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT THIS GOING FORWARD. COUNCILORS, SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION. I ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE VOTE ON R-106. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BENTON, BEFORE WE GO BACK TO YOURS WE'RE GOING TO FINISH THE LAST ITEM AND COME BACK. WE'RE GOING TO DO COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, R-110 AND HEAR FROM COUNCILOR BENTON. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, AM PRESIDENT. R-110 IS APPROVING THE TRANSIT EQUITY ANALYSIS DUE TO STRAFING SHORTAGES. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM VICE-PRESIDENT. YOU HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENTER THAT STUCK AROUND TO 11:30. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. WE HAVE RENE ON ZOOM. HOWEVER, SHE'S NOT ACCEPTED MY PROMOTION TO PANELIST AS OF YET. THERE SHE IS. YOU ARE MUTED. >> OKAY. >> WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. WELL, THANK YOU FOR HEARING THIS CASE. I'LL TRY TO MAKE IT QUICK. ON THE BUS SUSPENSION, THIS IS REALLY JUST BROUGHT UP TO US IN TAYLOR RANCH A MONTH AGO. AND TAYLOR RANCH DID SEND COMMENTED TO THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT THAT IN A SHORT EFFORT DO NOT SUSPEND 92 ROUTE OR ROUTE 790. THOSE ARE TWO WEST SIDE ROUTES THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE RELY ON TO GET TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND THE UNIVERSITY AREA AND UNM HOSPITAL. BOTH OF THOSE ROUTES. AND OVER A DECADE AGO, IT WAS REALLY HARD TO GET THOSE BLUE LINE 790 IN EFFECT. I'VE RIDDEN THAT BUS AND I'VE SEEN THAT BUS VERY PACTED WITH STUDENTS GOING TO UNM. I'VE SEEN PEOPLE GO TO WORK AT UNM HOSPITAL. AND PEOPLE FROM DOWN TUNE USE ROUTES OF 790 TO GET TO ROUTES DOWNTOWN AND THE SAME WITH ROUTE 92. TALKING TO THESE PEOPLE, SO, TALKING TO THE PEOPLE THAT RIDE THE BUS, THEY SAY IF YOU'RE PLEASE -- ROUTE 92 IS ALREADY SUSPENDED. A LOT OF THE ROUTE IS ALREADY MINIMAL. THEY ALREADY SUSPENDED A LOT OF IT. JUST KEEP THE REMAINING ROUTE YOU'VE GOT. DON'T CHANGE ANY MORE ON ROUTE 92. AS FAR AS ROUTE 790. MAINTAINS PEAK HOURS OF OF THE MORNING AND OF THE AFTERNOON. THAT'S BASICALLY. >> THANK YOU, YOUR TIME SUP. -- IS UP. >>COUN. DAVIS: LET HER FINISH IF YOU DON'T MIND. I THINK SHAIZ -- SHE'S BEEN HERE FOR SIX AND A HALF HOURS. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. SO, IF YOU NEED TO REDUCE THE HOURS, PLEASE MAINTAIN THE HOURS OF THE EARLY MORNING HOURS FOR PEOPLE TO GET TO WORK OR UNM OR CLASSES. AND SO THAT'S BASICALLY FROM 7:00 TO 9:00 AND THE AFTERNOON FROM 4:00 TO 6:30. AND THEN PERHAPS THOSE WERE THE HOURS THAT SEEM WAS RECOMMENDED TO ME THAT IS NEEDED THE MOST. I WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU AND SEE IF YOU COULD POSSIBLY KEEP THOSE ROUTES -- DON'T SUSPEND THE ROUTES. THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I WANT TO SAY. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU FOR SAYING WITH US. IT'S APPRECIATED. WE'RE BACK TO THE SPONSOR. WANT TO TAKE QUESTIONS FIRST? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I'D LIKE TO ASK THE DIRECTOR A QUESTION. I DID SPEAK TO SEVERAL FOLKS AND I DID RECEIVE A LOT OF LETTERS AND EMAILS FROM MY CONSTITUENTS IN TAYLOR RANCH AND SHE WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY CALLED ME PERSONALLY TODAY. AND WE DID LOOK AT THIS AND THAT ROUTE IS ACTUALLY MORE OF A MINORITY LOW-INCOME ROUTE. AND IT TRAVELS HOW TO TAYLOR RANCH, AND I THINK IT HAS A CONNECTION WITH THE COORS ART LINE. IS THAT CORRECT? AND IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY WE COULD KEEP THAT ROUTE STILL FUNCTIONING? >> THANK YOU, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. BOTH THE 92 AND THE 790 ROUTES THROUGH THE EQUITY ANALYSIS DO NOT SERVICE LOW MINORITY. WE LOOKED AT POTENTIALLY REDUCING THE SERVICE TO THE 155 WHICH IS THE COORS FIXED ROUTE SO WE CAN PROVIDE SOME OTHER SERVICES TO 790. HOWEVER THE 155 GETS SOUTH OF I-40 THEN THE INCOME LEVELS BEGIN TO DROP. SO THE MINORITY LEVELS BEGIN TO INCREASE. ACCORD TO THE EQUITY ANALYSIS THAT WOULD HURT US. AS FAR AS THE PEAK HOURS ON THE 790, THEY'RE REALLY TRULY IS FOUGHT A PEAK. STUDENTS MIGHT SHOW UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY TO TAKE A CLASS AND COME BACK EARLY AFTERNOON. DOING AN EARLY AND AFTERNOON RUN BY THEMSELVES DOESN'T REALLY GET US TO WHERE WE NEED TO GET WITH SERVICE SUSPENSION. SAME HOLDS TRUE OF THE 92. THE REASON THAT WE LOOKED AT COMPLETELY SUS SPENDING THE ROUTES FOR THE TIME BEING IS THEY CAN BE SERVICED BY OTHER ROUTES. PRIMARILY THE 155 WITH CONNECTION TO CENTRAL THAT GETS YOU TO DOWNTOWN AND UNIVERSITY. WE UNDERSTAND THIS IS NOT THE MOST CONVENIENT WAY TO TRAVEL. IT IS HARD DECISION WE'VE HAD TO MAKE AT THE DEPARTMENT. I WILL LET YOU KNOW THAT LAST TUESDAY I RODE CENTRAL AVENUE FROM DOWNTOWN UP T COORS AND INTO THE NORTHWEST TRANSIT CENTER AND WAS ABLE TO BEAT THE 790 BY TEN MINUTES. ALTHOUGH THE TRANSFER IS NOT CONVENIENT IT'S QUICKER. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: HOW MUCH LONGER WILL THE INDIVIDUALS HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE BUS? >> WELL, COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, IF THE PROPOSAL DOES GET PAST, WE ANTICIPATE WAIT TIMES WILL BE CUT. CURRENTLY ANY GIVEN MOMENT PASSENGERS HAVE TO WAIT 45 MINUTES DUE TO STAFFING SHORTAGES. THAT ROUTE DOESN'T GET TO OCCUR. UNFORTUNATELY, PASSENGERS ARE RECEIVING UN-N CONSISTENT THIS ALLOWS MORE CONSISTENT SERVICE. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YOU'RE SAYING WHEN YOU CUT THIS DOWN YOU'LL HAVE LESS WAIT TIMES FOR THE RIDERS? >> CORRECT. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE ADMINISTRATION? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THIS REALLY BREAKS MY HEART. I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS I LOVE TRANSIT. BUT WE ARE CURRENTLY IN A CRISIS. I HAVE FOLKS IN MY COMMUNITY IN MY DISTRICT CALLING ME LITERALLY EVERY DAY SAYING THEY'RE STANDING ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD WAITING FOR A BUS THAT NEVER COMES. AND I'VE HAD EXTENSIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH TRANSIT AND THEY JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DRIVERERS. WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO HAVE THE COVERAGE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW UNTIL WE GET MORE DRIVERS. AND THE ALTERNATIVE TO CUTTING A FEW ROUTES THAT ARE GOING TO INCONVENIENCE PEOPLE, NO DOUBT. THE ALTERNATIVE IS HAVING PEOPLE STANDING ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD WAITING FOR A BUS AND NOT KNOWING IF IT'S COMING OR NOT. THAT'S REALLY UNACCEPTABLE. IF YOU NEED A BUS TO GET WHERE YOU'RE GOING FOR YOUR JOB OR FOR FUN YOU NEED TO KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE THERE. I ASKED WHY DON'T WE PUT SIGNAGE UP WHEN A BUS ISN'T COMMUNITY COME AND THEY AND THEY SAID WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TO DRIVE THE BUSES, WE DON'T HAVE STAFF TO PUT UP SIGNAGE. WE NEED SOME KIND OF CERTAINTY ON THE BUS ROUTES AVAILABLE FOR THE COMMUNITY. UNTIL WE CAN GET MORE PEOPLE HIRED AND WE CAN GET THE BUSES BACK ON TRACK THIS IS REALLY THE ANSWER. THAT TRANSIT AND ALL THE EXPERTS HAVE COME UP WITH. IT'S REALLY THE ONLY ANSWER ANYBODY IS ABLE TO OFFER. WITH THAT, THIS IS JUST ACCEPTING THE EQUITY ANALYSIS FOR THIS REDUCTION IN SEFRBSZ. I WANT TO ASSURE EVERYONE WE'RE TRYING TO GET THOSE POSITIONS FILLED AND WE WANT TO GET THESE BUSES BACK OUT THERE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. WITH THAT, I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION OR DEBATE. I ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE VOTE. COUNCILOR BENTON IS EXCUSED. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: NO. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES ON A 7-1 VOTE. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'VE MOVED A FEW THINGS AROUND. DID WE GET EVERYTHING COVERED TODAY? AFTER A LOT OF WORK. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE TODAY. BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THIS MEETING IS FINALLY ADJOURNED.