CITY OF TAMPA. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WELCOME BACK TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL. ROLL CALL, PLEASE. >>BILL CARLSON: HERE. >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENT. >> VIERA? MIRANDA? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE. >>THE CLERK: YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO INTO THE CONSENT AGENDA. COUNCILMAN VIERA IS NOT HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, VICE-CHAIR OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, 5 THROUGH 7. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: [INAUDIBLE] >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON, YOU ARE THE CHAIR OF NEIGHBORHOOD -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES, THE NEW NAME. [ SOUNDING GAVEL ] >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU SO MUCH. YES MA'AM. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES CHAIR, OUR NEW NAME, NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS COMMITTEE, I MOVE ITEMS NUMBER 8 THROUGH 11. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON. SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED. COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK, INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, LIKE TO MOVE ITEMS 12-28. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK, SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, YOU ARE THE FINANCE COMMITTEE CHAIR. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE 29 THROUGH 33. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, ASK HE HAD FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY COMMITTEE. >>BILL CARLSON: MOVE 34 THROUGH 49. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, MOBILITY AND ASSET MANAGEMENT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOVE ITEMS 50 THROUGH 55. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? CAN I GET A MOTION TO MOVE ITEMS 56 THROUGH 62 TO SET THE PUBLIC HEARINGS? >> SO MOVE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL RIGHT. CAN I GET A MOTION TO OPEN ALL THE WERINGS? MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ITEM NUMBER 63. >> RYAN MANASSE, JOHNSON POPE. 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE. SECOND READING FOR THIRD AMENDMENT TO THE DA FOR MIDTOWN. AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMAN? NO. ALL RIGHT ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 63? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE NO ONE HERE AND NOBODY REGISTERED. WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, WOULD YOU MOVE THE RESOLUTION? RESOLUTION, ITEM 63. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT TAKES US TO SECOND READING ON PROPOSED ORDINANCES, ITEM NUMBER 64. I'M SORRY. THESE ARE QUASI-JUDICIAL. IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE SPEAKING ON ANY OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS TODAY, THAT WOULD MEAN -- ACTUALLY, ANY PUBLIC HEARING, ALL THE WAY THROUGH 73, PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND WE'LL SWEAR YOU IN. IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE SPEAKING ON ANY OF THE PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. [OATH ADMINISTERED] THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'LL KICK IT OFF WITH ITEM NUMBER 64. YES SIR. PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF. >> MR. COLLINS. >> CAN YOU HEAR ME? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. GO AHEAD. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >>DANNY COLLINS: DANNY COLLINS WITH PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF. I WAS SWORN IN. NEXT ITEM IS SECOND READING FOLLOWER TA/CPA 24-07, PLAN AMENDMENT FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2425 EAST DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. BOULEVARD OR OTHERWISE MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY. REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE OF THE SITE FROM PUBLIC/SEMI-PUBLIC AND COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL 35 TO THE RECREATION OPEN SPACE CATEGORY. COUNCIL APPROVED THIS ITEM AT THE FIRST READING ON MAY 23rd. WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. COLLINS? SEEING NONE, DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT -- IT'S A FUTURE LAND USE. ANYBODY ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON 64? ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT IS HERE TO SPEAK ON 64? >> MOTION TO CLOSE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, WOULD YOU MIND READING 64. >>LUIS VIERA: MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT, FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2425 EAST DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD, AKA MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY FROM PUBLIC/SEMI-PUBLIC, P/SP AND COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL 35, CC-35, TO RECREATIONAL/OPEN SPACE, R/OS, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. YES SIR. 64 THROUGH 67 WHEN I WAS OUT OF THE COUNTRY. I WANTED TO SAY FOR THE RECORD THAT I REVIEWED THE FILES AND WATCHED, LISTENED TO THE VIDEOS. THANK YOU. YEAH, THROUGH 68. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT IS ITEM NUMBER 65. YES MA'AM. PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF. WERE YOU SWORN IN, MS. DOCK? >>LaCHONE DOCK: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY. GO AHEAD. >>LaCHONE DOCK: THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL. LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION. ITEM 65 IS AB 2-23-30 FOR THE PROPERTY AT 1500 WEST CASS STREET. THE REQUEST IS FOR A SMALL VENUE BEER WINE LIQUOR CONSUMPTION ON PREMISE ONLY. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT. I BELIEVE JULIA MANDELL IS THERE AND WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING CHANGES TO THE HOURS OF OPERATIONS ON THE SITE PLAN SUBMITTED. I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS DURING THE HEARING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS? >>BILL CARLSON: ON ALL THREE OF THESE, I READ THE SITE PLAN AND SOME OF THE TYPE IS REALLY SMALL, BUT I DIDN'T SEE EXACTLY WHAT THE HOURS OF OPERATION ARE. SO WHEN WE GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE, COULD YOU TELL US WHAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE NEGOTIATION? THANK YOU. >>LaCHONE DOCK: ABSOLUTELY, YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MS. MANDLL, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, GO AHEAD. >> HELLO. GOOD AFTERNOON, FOR THE RECORD, JULIA MANDELL WITH THE LAW FIRM OF GRAY ROBINSON, 101 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD, SUITE 400, TAMPA FLORIDA. WE CAME BEFORE YOU AT FIRST READING OF THIS ORDINANCE TO PROCEED FORWARD WITH BEER, WINE, LIQUOR ON PREMISE FOR SALES AT AN EXISTING RESTAURANT USE. IT IS A FOOD HALL TYPE OF USE ON CASS STREET. DURING THE PROCESS, WE DID MAKE EFFORTS TO REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOLKS AND TO HAVE DIALOGUE. THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME MISCOMMUNICATION OR SOME OTHER ISSUES THAT CAME UP. NOBODY DID ATTEND FIRST READING. NOTICE WAS DONE PROPERLY. I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR FOR THE RECORD. BUT NOBODY DID ATTEND THE FIRST READING AND VOICE ANY OBJECTIONS AT THE FIRST READING, THERE WAS A REQUEST BY CITY COUNCIL TO PLACE ON THE SITE PLAN, WHICH IS PART OF THE SITE PLAN THAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY, NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED NOISE AND WE DID COMPLY WITH THAT. THIS MORNING -- I CAN'T RECALL THE WOMAN'S NAME, BUT FROM THE NORTH HYDE PARK CIVIC ASSOCIATION DID ATTEND THE MEETING THIS MORNING, HAD AN INTEREST IN EXPRESSING SOME CONCERNS AND ISSUES SHE HAD BECAUSE THE SITE PLAN DOES NOT CONTAIN HOURS OF OPERATION. I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THAT WITH MY CLIENTS, AND WE'RE PREPARED TODAY TO AMEND THE SITE PLAN TO ADD HOURS OF OPERATION SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, 11 P.M. AND FRIDAY AND SATURDAY 12 P.M. I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS AND KNOW THAT WE CANNOT DO THAT TODAY AT SECOND READING. BUT I HAVE DISCUSSED THIS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND WITH MR. SHELBY AND WITH MS. DOCK AND WOULD ASK THAT YOU READ THIS AGAIN TODAY ON FIRST READING TO ADD AS PART OF YOUR MOTION THE HOURS OF OPERATION THAT I HAVE SUGGESTED, AND THEN WE WOULD COME BACK FOR SECOND READING WITH THOSE CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN. I BELIEVE IT IS YOUR NEXT MEETING THAT, FULL MEETING, JULY 18 IF I RECALL CORRECTLY. AND WE DO APOLOGIZE FOR ANY MISCOMMUNICATION. WE HAD REACHED OUT AND THOUGHT WE HAD ADEQUATELY DONE SO. APPARENTLY, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES OUT THERE AND WE MAY NOT HAVE REACHED OUT TO ALL OF THE ONES WE SHOULD HAVE. THAT BEING SAID, I'M HAPPY -- I'M HOPEFUL THAT THIS WOULD RESOLVE ANY OF THE CONCERNS OF THAT COMMUNITY AS THE OWNERS OF THIS PROPERTY ARE ALSO THE OWNERS OF THE THAI PALACE IN HYDE PARK AND THEY HAVE BEEN IN OPERATION THERE FOR 25 YEARS WITHOUT ANY ISSUES AND WANT TO CONTINUE TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY. I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS? YES SIR. >>BILL CARLSON: MS. MANDELL, JUST TO CLARIFY ALSO, YOU SAID NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND IS ON THE SITE PLAN. >> THAT HAS BEEN CHANGED AND ADDED TO THE SITE PLAN. ONE OTHER THING, IF I COULD SAY ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE THE QUESTION DID COME UP, THE OUTDOOR AREA OF THE DECK SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN IS NOT INCLUSIVE OF A BAR. THAT IS ONLY INCLUSIVE OF OUTDOOR SEATING. THAT QUESTION DID COME UP AND I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT, THERE'S NOTHING OUT THERE SHOWING THAT THAT'S PART OF IT. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 65? YES MA'AM. COME ON UP AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> HELLO AGAIN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT UNTIL YOU COME UP SO WE CAN PICK YOU UP ON THE MICROPHONE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: ARE THOSE PEOPLE PRESENT? THANK YOU. KELLA McCASKILL, ARE YOU HERE? >> I'M HERE, YOU CAN PUT MY NAME ON THE LIST. CARROLL ANN BENNETT. >> -- PLEASE ALLOW HER -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT IS AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES FOR A TOTAL OF 5. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> CYNTHIA MALONEY. I'M ON THE CAC FOR WEST TAMPA, AND I'M THE SECRETARY OF THE NORTH HYDE PARK CIVIC ASSOCIATION. WE DID WRITE E-MAILS IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PROPOSAL IN ADVANCE OF IT BEING APPROVED LAST TIME, AND WE WERE SURPRISED WHEN WE HEARD THAT IT PASSED WITHOUT ANY CONCERNS. WE EXPRESSED MAINLY THREE CONCERNS. ONE WAS THE REDUCTION IN THE PARKING. THE OTHER THING WAS OUTDOOR LIQUOR SALES AND NO HOURS POSTED ON THE PLAN. WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE HOURS ITEM PARTICULARLY, NOT BECAUSE OF THEIR ABILITY TO SELL ALCOHOL, BUT TO SELL IT OUTSIDE UNTIL 3:00 IN THE MORNING. THIS IS A DENSELY POPULATED RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY OF MANY APARTMENTS AND SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES. THERE'S ALREADY A SHORTAGE OF PARKING SERVING THE AREA. THE APPLICATION FOR THE BUSINESS SHOWS TABLES AND AN OPEN BAR OUTDOORS. SHE CORRECTED ME. IT'S NOT AN OPEN BAR. IT JUST LOOKS LIKE A BAR IN THE DRAWING. BUT IN THE MIDST OF THE LIMITED PARKING AND WITHIN 50 FEET OF PEOPLE'S BEDROOM WINDOWS, THERE IS A SMALL PARKLET THAT MAYBE USED TO BE AN ALLEY THAT SEPARATES THE PARKING AREA IN THE BACK FROM AN APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST. WE BELIEVE ANYONE WOULD REGARD THAT AS UNACCEPTABLE. WE'RE NOT YBOR OR SOHO, DESIGNATED ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS. WE ARE A NEIGHBORHOOD OF HOMES AND APARTMENTS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE TO SLEEP AT NIGHT AND GET UP AND GO TO WORK OR SCHOOL IN THE MORNING. WE HAVE VERY SADLY SEEN RECENTLY AND ALL KNOW TOO WELL THAT SOMETIMES PEOPLE WHO ARE DRINKING OUTSIDE AT 2:00 OR 3:00 IN THE MORNING MAKE POOR CHOICES, WITH SOMETIMES DISASTROUS CONSEQUENCES REQUIRING POLICE INTERVENTION AND CALLING 911. UNDERAGE DRINKING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALSO A POTENTIAL ISSUE WITH A LARGE POPULATION OF UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA STUDENTS. ALL OTHER RESTAURANTS, BARS, AND RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAVE COME BEFORE YOU RECENTLY HAVE WORKED WITH THE NEIGHBORS TO ESTABLISH REASONABLE HOURS OF OPERATION. AND HAVE -- HOURS TYPICALLY 11 P.M. ON WEEK NIGHTS AND 12 A.M. ON WEEKENDS TO THEIR APPLICATIONS. YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT THE RESIDENTS OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO FORESTALL THESE POTENTIAL PROBLEMS BEFORE THEY START. WE ASK YOU TO LIMIT THE HOURS OF OPERATION SO THEY LINE UP WITH ALL THE OTHER RESTAURANTS AND TO RECONSIDER THEIR REQUEST FOR OUTDOOR LIQUOR SALES. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? YES MA'AM. COME ON UP. >> THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT, NO. THE OTHER MA'AM. >> I APOLOGIZE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO. MS. POYNOR IS COMING UP. >> STEPHANIE POYNOR. SANDY SANCHEZ HAD TO GO TO THE VET WITH HER DOG. SHE ASKED ME -- SHE SAID IT IS A NEW SPACE IN NOHO AND THEY WANT TO MAKE IT INTO ANOTHER SOHO. 3 A.M. BREEDS TROUBLE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S SO CLOSE TO WEST TAMPA'S MAIN STREET. AT LEAST TWO SHOOTINGS A WEEK AND NOTHING IN THE PAPER. THAT'S WHAT SANDY SAID. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? OKAY. WE HAVE NOBODY REGISTERED. MS. MANDELL, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME UP FOR REBUTTAL. COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: MS. MANDELL, I IWANT TO ASK YOU THAT QUESTION. YOU TALKED A MINUTE AGO HOW IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE OUTDOOR BAR. I DON'T HAVE THE SITE PLAN IN FRONT OF ME. IS THERE AN AREA WHERE ALCOHOL SALES ARE ALREADY ALLOWED OUTSIDE BUT THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL OUTDOOR AREA? CAN YOU EXPLAIN? >> NO. THERE IS AN OUTDOOR -- IT SHOWS ON THE SITE PLAN THERE IS AN AREA WITH A DECK THAT THERE WILL BE SALES THERE. WHEN I SAY SALES, NOT FROM A BAR, SERVICE SALES. YOU CAN BRING -- IT IS A FOOD HALL, SO YOU CAN BRING YOUR ALCOHOL OUTSIDE. IT ISN'T INTENDED FOR ACTUAL SALE TO OCCUR OUTSIDE, MEANING A SEPARATE BAR AREA. IF YOU WANTED TO ADD THAT AS A CONDITION, THAT WOULD NOT BE OBJECTIONABLE, THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE AN OUTDOOR BAR AREA, AND THAT AREA WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE FOR OUR PURPOSES TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR. BECAUSE THAT WAS NEVER THE INTENT. IT WAS JUST TO ALLOW PEOPLE WHO ARE BUYING FOOD INSIDE TO COME OUTSIDE AND DRINK A BEER OR A GLASS OF WINE OR WHATEVER DRINK ONE WOULD DRINK. >>BILL CARLSON: YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU WERE CITY ATTORNEY, THIS GOES WITH THE LAND. CAN WE ADD THIS, MS. DOCK? CAN WE ADD THIS AS A CONDITION? >> I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE IF YOU ADDED A CONDITION THAT SAID NO OUTDOOR BAR ALLOWED. THAT WOULD BE, I THINK, IN LINE WITH THE INTENT OF WHAT THE APPLICANT IS TRYING TO DO AND THE CONCERNS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE BROUGHT FORWARD. >>BILL CARLSON: YOU ALREADY AGREED TO THE 11:00 EXCEPT FOR WEEKENDS AND 12:00. >> CORRECT. >>BILL CARLSON: THAT TAKES CARE OF THE 3 A.M. ISSUE. >> RIGHT. THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF THAT. LET ME SAY. I CHECKED. I DID NOT SEE ANY LETTERS COME UP IN WHAT THEY USED TO CALL THE QUASI-BOX. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL IT TODAY. THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE AGREED TO IF WE HAD KNOWN IT WAS AN ISSUE. IT JUST REALLY DIDN'T COME UP AND IT WAS KEPT -- NOT THAT WE ASKED FOR HOURS OF 3. IT WAS JUST GOING TOWARDS THE CODE PROVISION IN CHAPTER 14 THAT HAS THE HOURS OF OPERATION IN KEEPING IN LINE WITH THE CODE. CERTAINLY, IF WE HAD KNOWN WE WOULD HAVE BEEN HAPPY TO DO IT. I APOLOGIZE THAT THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOME MISUNDERSTANDING OR MISCOMMUNICATION. BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR MY CLIENTS TO BE IN LINE WITH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND ENSURE THAT THEY ARE OPERATING IN A MANNER THAT IS COMFORTABLE. THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANT TO SAY ABOUT THE PARKING AND I DID RAISE THIS DURING THE FIRST HEARING, THIS WOULD REDUCE IT DOWN TWO ADDITIONAL PARKING SPOTS. BUT THERE ARE 30 ON-STREET PARKING SPOTS RIGHT ON CASS WITHIN LIKE A THREE-BLOCK RADIUS. THERE'S A LOT OF ON-STREET PARKING, PLUS THIS REALLY IS INTENDED TO SERVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT COMMENT. BUT I THINK WE'RE ALL ALIGNED WITH ENSURING THAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS PROTECTED FROM WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO SEEK. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. AND WOULD JUST REMIND EVERYBODY THAT GIVEN THE CONDITIONS WE'RE AGREEING TO, WOULD BE REREADING THIS ON FIRST READING. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, WE LEFT OFF WITH YOU. >>LUIS VIERA: I WENT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, CHAIR. FILE AB 2-23-30, AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND -- NO, FIRST. WHY DOES IT SAY SECOND? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE'LL TAKE IT BACK TO FIRST READING. >>GWEN HENDERSON: -- FIRST READING AND ADOPTION. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT'S JUST FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION. >>GWEN HENDERSON: FIRST READING, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEVERAGES REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOLIC CONTENT, BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR, AT OR FROM THIS CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 1500 WEST CASS STREET AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2, PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND WITH THE CHANGES MENTIONED -- >>BILL CARLSON: THE HOURS OF OPERATION AND NO OUTDOOR BAR, RIGHT? >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU FOR HELPING ME. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON. WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. WE DON'T NEED TO RECORD OUR VOTE. IT WILL BE A VOICE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON JULY 18 AT 10 A.M., 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD, TAMPA, FLORIDA, THIRD FLOOR, 33602. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER 66. >>LaCHONE DOCK: THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL. LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION. ITEM 66 IS AB 2-24-05. THIS IS FOR THE PROPERTY AT 1905 WEST KENNEDY BOULEVARD. THE REQUEST IS FOR A SMALL VENUE BEER AND WINE, CONSUMPTION ON PREMISE AND PACKAGE SALES CONSUMPTION OFF-PREMISES. THERE WERE CHANGES MADE TO THE SITE PLAN BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING. THOSE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE. THE HOURS OF OPERATIONS FOR THIS LOCATION IS 9 A.M. TO AND THOSE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE AND THE SITE PLAN HAS BEEN CERTIFIED AND I AM AABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS DOCK? >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT DID YOU SAY -- MR. CHAIR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD. >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT DID YOU SAY OF HOURS OF OPERATION? >>LaCHONE DOCK: HOURS ARE 9 A.M. TO MIDNIGHT. >>BILL CARLSON: THAT IS SEVEN DAY AS WEEK? >>LaCHONE DOCK: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE APPLICANT IS REMEMBER I CAN HENDRA REGISTERED ONLINE. AND WAS HE SWORN IN? >> GOOD MORNING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SIR, WERE YOU SWORN IN? >> I WAS NOT SWORN IN, NO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND WE WILL SWEAR YOU IN. P[SWEARING IN] >> YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR. STATE YOUR NAME. >> ERIC HENDRA. I AM REPRESENTING THE CLIENT AND I BELIEVE MISS DOCK HAS REPRESENTED THE CASE VERY WELL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT. ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 66 MOTION COULD CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA. READ 66, COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ORDINANCE IN SECOND READING AND ADOPTION. AN ORDINANCE APPROVING SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE, CONSUMPTION ON PREMISE AND PACKAGE OFF-PREMISE CONSUMPTION AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE FROM THE CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND 1095 WEST KENNEDY BOULEVARD, TAMPA, FLORIDA, AS PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2 PROVIDING ALL ORDINANCES AND CONFLICTS ARE REPEALED. PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND SECOND. PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE. >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANI UNANIMOUSLY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM NUMBER 67. >>LaCHONE DOCK: THANK YOU, COUNCIL. LaCHONE DOCK, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION. ITEM 67 IS AB 2-24-06. 1509, 1511, 1529 WEST NORTH A STREET AND 1528 WEST NORTH B STREET. THE REQUEST IS FOR ALCOHOLIC SMALL BEVERAGE SALES, CONSUMPTION ON-PREMISE AND PACKAGE SALES OFF PREMISE. WE HAVE CHANGES ON THE SITE PLAN BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING AND CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE. FOR THIS LOCATION, THE HOURS OF OPERATION ARE CLOSING AT 11 P.M. SUNDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY. AND 12 A.M. THURSDAY THROUGH SATURDAY. AND I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS DOCK? NO? ALL RIGHT, WHO IS THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM NUMBER 67. YES, SIR. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL. COLIN RICE WITH THE LAW FIRM ON WEST CASS STREET. I HAVE BEEN SWORN. WE HAVE REDUCED HOURS OF OPERATION. WE WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMAN? NO? ANYONE ON THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK ON ITEM 67. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION TO CLOSE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED. >>LYNN HURTAK: FILE NUMBER AB 2-24-06, ORDINANCE FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTIO. AN ORDINANCE OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU- FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE, CONSUMPTION ON-PREMISE AND PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISE CONSUMPTION MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEVERAGES REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOLIC CONTENT. BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR AT OR FROM THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 1509, 1511 AND 1529 WEST NORTH A STREET AND 1528 WEST NORTH P STREET AS MORE QUICKLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PART OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND SECOND. A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA. PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE. >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ITEM NUMBER 68 -- THANK YOU, SIR. >>LaCHONE DOCK: THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL. LaCHONE DOCK, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION. ITEM 68 # 68 IS AB 2-24-07, PROPERTY 1720 NORTH NEBRASKA AVENUE. FOR BEER AND WINE CONSUMPTION ON PREMISE ONLY. CHANGES BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING. THE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE AND CERTIFIED AND BROUGHT TO THE CLERK. THE HOURS OF OPERATION ARE CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 14, IT IS 3 A.M. CLOSING TIME. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>LaCHONE DOCK: AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT WAS HERE. AND MAY STILL BE IN THE AUDIENCE, BUT THEY HAD TO LEAVE THIS MORNING WHEN WE BROKE FOR LUNCH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS DOCK? NO? IS THE APPLICANT HERE? NOBODY REGISTERED. EXPLAINED THAT THE APPLICANT MAY HAVE LEFT. ANYONE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 68. A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ 68. >>BILL CARLSON: MORE FILE NUMBER AB 2-24-07, ORDINANCE FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2 FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES SMALL VENUE CONSUMPTION ON PREMISE ONLY AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE AT OR FROM THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED 1720 NORTH NEBRASKA AVENUE TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2, PROVIDING ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED, PROVIDE AN EFFECTIVE DATE. A MOTION AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE. >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE WILL GO WITH OUR PETITIONS TO VACATE AND PETITIONS ON LEGISLATIVE MATTERS. ITEM NUMBER 7. >>. >>ROSS SAMONS: LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION. SHARE THE ELMO SCREEN. ROSS SAMOSR, A VAC 24-05 THE APPLICANT IS GRAHAM TYRRELL. AGENT IS ALEX SCHALER. A PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST TO VACATE A PORTION OF CHANNELSIDE DRIVE LOCATED NORTH OF rd AVENUE, SOUTH OF 4th AVENUE AND EAST OF NUCCIO PARKWAY AND WEST OF THE MERGER BETWEEN CHANNELSIDE DRIVE AND 4th AVENUE. THIS APPLICATION WAS FILED WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA FEBRUARY 24, 2024. THE APPLICANT'S REASON IS DEVELOPMENT OF A PARK WITH AN AWARDED CITY RFP. RIGHT-OF-WAY BY CITY OF TAMPA ACQUISITION. THE EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY IS 32,495 SQUARE FEET. HERE IS AN AIR YELL VIEW OF THE PROPOSED VACATING IN YELLOW. AND PETITIONER'S PROPERTY IS IN RED. THE PLAT AND THE PORTION OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WAS PLATTEDED IN LOT 20. A CLIP OF THE CITY ATLAS SHOWING PROPOSED VACATING IN YELLOW. AND PREVIOUS VACATES SURROUNDING THE AREA. HERE IS AN IMAGE OF THAT ROUNDABOUT LOOKING SOUTHEAST FROM NUCCIO PARKWAY. HERE IS AN IMAGE LOOKING NORTHWEST FROM CHANNELSIDE DRIVE. AND ANOTHER IMAGE LOOKING SOUTHEAST FROM 4th AVENUE. STAFF HAS -- THEY HAVE NO OBJECTIONS OF THIS VACATING REQUEST. EASEMENT RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED BY TECO. SPECIAL CONDITIONS, NATURAL RESOURCES MUST COMPLY WITH CHAPTER 27 REGARDING TREE PRESERVATION AND SITE DESIGN FOR ANY IMPROVEMENTS PLACED ADJACENT TO TREES IN ANY VACATED AREAS. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE APPLICANT, PLEASE STATE YOUR N NAME. >> I MIGHT JUST USE THE PAPER SLIDES. I WILL JUST BE VERY BRIEF. PUT THOSE ON HERE. ALEX SCHALER, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE. I AM TRYING NOT TO REPEAT WHAT ROSS SAID. A LOT OF THIS IS SIMILAR. ROSS ALLUDED TO THE PLAT. THE HISTORIC GRITTY GRID PATTERN OF AN ACCESS ACROSS CSX RAILROAD FROM 4th AVENUE. AERIAL, THE OLDEST ONE I CAN FIND ON DOT ARCHIVES. THE GAS WOKS PD-A WAS APPROVED. THE SITE PLAN. CLOUDED IN BLUE, THIS CROSSING WAS PART OF THIS PD-A, EXTENSION OF 4th AVENUE WEST WHICH ELIMINATES THE NEED OF THE ROUNDABOUT TAKING TRAFFIC FROM AND PUSHING TRAFFIC TO NUCCIO. NO LONGER NEEDS THE ROUNDABOUT WITH THE 4th AVENUE CONNECTION. THAT IS CITY-OWNED LAND. AS ROSS MENTIONED, THEY ISSUED AN RFM END OF LAST YEAR, BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR, FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS LAND INTO A PUBLIC PARK. THAT RFP WAS AWARDED TO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNER GASWORX DEVELOPER. THE CONDITION OF RFP REQUIRED THE DEVELOPER OF THE PARK TO PURSUE THIS RIGHT-OF-WAY VACATING. WHILE THE CITY OWNS THE LAND AND FEE SIMPLE, IT IS STILL SERVING AS RIGHT-OF-WAY AND HAS TO BE VACATED. SO THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS FROM ANY OF THE REVIEWING DEPARTMENTS. AND I WILL CONCLUDE THE PRESENTATION WITH THAT. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. GRAHAM TYRRELL IS HERE TOO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMEMBER CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT IS THE PROTECTION FOR PEOPLE FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT THIS PARK -- THIS LAND WILL STAY AS A PARK IN PERPETUITY AND NOT BE DEVELOPED ANY OTHER WAY? >> THIS IS IT STILL STAYING CITY-OWNED LAND. WE ARE LEASING IT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A PARK. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE ARE NOT TRANSFERRING IT? >> CORRECT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE ONLY ONE THAT DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT? YES? THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE RETAIN CONTROL. ANYBODY TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, ITEM NUMBER 70. YOU WERE REGISTERED BUT YOU ARE HERE. ASK A TO MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSE? COUNCILMAN MIRANDA -- WELL, WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE -- I MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE FILE NUM NUMBER VAC-24-05. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TO GRANT THE VACATING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AT WITH THIS, TO GRANT THE VACATING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT, ITEM NUMBER 71. WAIT. PLEASE READ THE VOTE, MA'AM. >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE JULY 18, 2024, 10 A.M., 315 E. KENNEDY BOULEVARD, TAMPA MR., FLORIDA, 3rd FLOOR, 33602. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM NUMBER 71 WAS A CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE IT WAS A TIE VOTE. ANYONE HERE TO PRESENT ON ITEM NUMBER 71? >> DO YOU WANT THE APPLICANT? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DOES THE CITY HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY BEFORE WE GO? OKAY. MISS DOCK, ARE YOU ON FOR ITEM NUMBER 71. >>LaCHONE DOCK: I AM. THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCIL. LaCHONE DOCK, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION. ITEM 71 IS REZ-23-84. THIS IS A CONTINUED ITEM AND HOLD FIRST AT THE MAY 9 PUBLIC HEARING. THE APPLICANT HAS AIR MENDED THIS REZONING APPLICATION. THEY HAVE AMENDED THEIR REQUEST TO REZONE FROM RS-60 -- THE ORIGINAL REQUEST WAS RM-24 ZONING. THIS REQUEST HAS BEEN AMENDED TO RM-18. THIS REQUEST IS BEFORE YOU FOR FIRST READING. THE ORDINANCE HAS BEEN UPDATED TO REFLECT THIS CHANGE. AND HILL TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT WHO BELIEVE IS REPRESENTED BY TODD PRESSMAN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: MISS DOCK, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU FIRST? >>LaCHONE DOCK: YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC WHAT THAT CHANGE MEANS. IS IT ADDING MORE DENSITY OR REDUCING THE DENSITY? AND WHAT DOES THAT DO? HEIGHT, BUILDING HEIGHT? >>LaCHONE DOCK: THE DISCUSSION AT THE PROPOSING WAS REGARDING THE HEIGHT AND THE POSSIBLE HEIGHT ALLOWED UNDER THE RM-24. THE RM-18 ZONING DISTRICT, MAXIMUM HEIGHT THAT IS ALLOWED IS 35 FEET WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT WHICH IS ALLOWED IN RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY ZONING DISTRICTS. SINCE THIS SITE WAS SURROUNDED WITH RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. >>LYNN HURTAK: ABOUT THE DENSITY? COULD YOU EXPLAIN. >>LaCHONE DOCK: SO THE DENSITY -- >>LYNN HURTAK: -- WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE. >>LaCHONE DOCK: IT WILL ALLOW FOR LESS UNITS ON-SITE. BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE INITIAL -- LET ME TAKE A LOOK AT THE SITE FOR A SECOND. APOLOGIZE. ALLOW FOR 18 UNITS PER ACRE ON THE SITE VERSUS 24 UNITS PER ACRE. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE? IF NOT, MR. PRESSMAN, COME ON UP. WERE YOU SWORN? >> YES, SIR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I KNOW OFF PRESENTATION OR POWERPOINT. >> TODD PRESSMAN. 00 SECOND AVENUE SOUTH, ST. PETERSBURG. THIS IS REZ 24-04. WE ARE PRIMARILY HAVE BEEN HERE REGARDING ZONING CONSISTENCY AS REQUIRED ON A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT THAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL. WE ARE IN THE UNIVERSITY PLANS AREA BETWEEN BUSCH BOULEVARD AND NORTH 56th. THIS SITE IS DRAWN IN ROAD AN ASSEMBLAGE OF A NUMBER OF PARCELS. THIS CAME BEFORE YOU A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. FUTURE ST. LOUIS WAS APPROVED IN FEBRUARY OF '24 AND AT THE DIRECTION OF CITY COUNCIL AT THE TIME, THE DIRECTION WAS TO LOOK AT AND SCALE BACK THE PROJECT. THERE WAS ONE HOMEOWNER WHO HAD CONCERNS WHO WAS IN ATTENDANCE. I REACHED OUT TO THE NEIGHBOR WHO WAS IN THE REAR. MADE THEM AWARE WE WERE MAKING THIS CHANGE AS MISS DOCK HAS INDICATED REDUCES THE PRIMARY CONCERN FROM 60 FEET TO 35 FEET WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE IMMEDIATE AREA AND REDUCING DENSITY FROM RM-24 TO RM-18. WE ACCEPT SOME OF THE COUNCILMEMBERS DIRECTION IN THAT REGARD. THE SECOND DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I DID HAVE A VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD LETTER SENT IN THE FOLKS IN THE PUBLIC NOTICE THAT WE ARE MAKING THOSE REDUCTIONS. SO LOOKING AT THE SITE OR THE AREA -- THE AREA DOES CONTAIN A LOT OF MULTIFAMILY. THIS IS SOME OF IT HERE. THIS WILL PROVIDE A MIX OF UNITS IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA A LOT OF COMP PLAN POLICIES THAT SUPPORT THIS INCLUDING MIXED INCOME DEVELOPMENT. PARTICULARLY MIXED INCOME IN THE UNIVERSITY PLANNING DISTRICT WHICH IS THE AREA WE ARE IN. SUSTAINABILITY AND IMPROVE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREAS WHICH THIS WILL COMPLY WITH. GREATER FLEXIBILITY AND LAND USE DENSITY OF FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WITH NEIGHBORHOOD BUFFERS ARE ENHANCED. MULTIFAMILY ZONE TO PROVIDE A SCALE OF DEVELOPMENT BUILDING THAT DIFFERS FROM SINGLE-FAMILY LOW DENSITY. AND IN TERMS OF ACCESS TO THE SITE, THERE IS ACCESS BOTH NORTH, SOUTH, EAST AND WEST. SO WITH THAT WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION AND CONSIDERATION FOR THE REDUCTION OF THE SITE THAT WE ACCEPTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A QUESTION FOR LEGAL. AND I APOLOGIZE I DID NOT CATCH THIS ON THE AGENDA EARLIER, BUT IT SAYS, CONTINUED FROM MAY 29 PURSUANT TO COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURES DUE TO LACK OF TWO-THIRDS WITH VIERA, MANISCALCO AND VOTING NO. I AM PRETTY SURE THAT WAS A MOTION TO DENY. >> YOU HAD A MOTION TO DENY AND IT WAS A TIE VOTE WHY IT AUTOMATICALLY ROLLED OVER. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANTED TO BE SURE BECAUSE IT DIDN'T SAY "MOTION OF DENIAL." MAKES IT IMPLIED THAT THE OTHER THREE VOTED YES FOR APPROVAL WHEN IT WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND. I WANTED -- WHATEVER THE RECORD IS TO MAKE SURE THAT IS CLEAR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHEN I FIRST SAW IT, I THOUGHT ITS BEING GAS LIT. >>LYNN HURTAK: I REALIZED WHAT IT WAS. A VOTE FOR DENIAL. I DON'T KNOW IF IT MATTERS -- EVEN IF IT DOESN'T MATTER, IN THE FUTURE IF WE CAN MAKE SURE -- THAT THE RECORD -- DID THAT MAKE SENSE? >>CATE WELLS: I THINK THAT WILL BE A CLERK FUNCTION WITH THE AGENDA. >>LYNN HURTAK: I APOLOGIZE. THANK YOU. >>CATE WELLS: I LOOKED AT MY NOTES. IT WAS A MOTION -- COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU MADE THE MOTION TO DENY. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. WE WILL WORK ON THAT WITH THE CLERK. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE -- TO CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD THAT IS NOT HOW THE VOTE WENT. >>CATE WELLS: YES, MA'AM, ABSOLUTELY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC -- DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR PRESENTATION, SIR? ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WISHES TO SPEAK. COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME. >> I OWN THE PROPERTY IN THE BACK BEHIND -- ADJACENT -- DEPENDS ON HOW YOU LOOK AT THE PROPERTY. PUT UP AN APARTMENT COMPLEX ON A LAND-LOCKED LOT. AND WHAT I HAVE NOT HEARD OF IS THE DRAINAGE IN THE AREA. AND ANYTHING IN THAT AREA NORTH OF BUSCH BETWEEN 46th AND 56th BASICALLY COMES TO THE LAKE IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE. ADJACENT HOUSE TO MINE, FIVE HOUSES ALONGSIDE MY HOUSE ALL HAVE A FOUR-FOOT DRAINAGE DITCH IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE. AND BEHIND THE HOUSES IN THEIR YARD WHICH IS THE SIDE OF MY YARD IS ALSO BASICALLY A LOW SPOT WHERE ALL THE WATER COMES THROUGH. IF YOU PUT UP THAT MANY APARTMENT IN MY BACK YARD, THAT IS JUST GOING TO MAKE THAT WHOLE FLOODING SITUATION WORSE. I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY FROM THE CITY HAS CHECKED WITH THE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE IN THE AREA REGARDING THE LAKE ACROSS THE STREET. FLOODING ON TO THE STREET. SO -- TO PUT APARTMENTS THERE, THAT WILL JUST MAKE IT WORSE. I DON'T MIND THEM BUILDING THERE. I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST THEM, BUT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX IN MY BACK YARD? NONE OF MY OTHER NEIGHBORS COULD COME TODAY BECAUSE NOBODY COULD TAKE OFF OF WORK AT THIS TIME. THAT IS MY OPPOSITION OF THAT. I DON'T WANT THEM BUILDING SOMETHING THAT BIG IS JUST GOING TO MAKE THE FLOODING PROBLEM IN THE AREA WORSE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE ADDRESSED THAT. THE DRAINAGE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE NO SITE PLAN. I BUILT MY HOUSE THERE, YOU GUYS REQUIRED ME TO HAVE A SITE PLAN. I HAD TO SHOW HOW THE DRAINAGE WAS GOING TO WORK. THERE IS NONE OF THAT HERE. YOU ARE BASICALLY WRITING A BLANK CHECK TO PUT UP 26 APARTMENTS, HOWEVER YOU CAN FIT THEM IN, AND LET'S FORGET ABOUT THE REST. YEAH, THE CITY WANTS MORE TAX MONEY, BUT AT WHAT COST WHEN IT IS GOING TO COST THE CITY MORE TO DEAL WITH THE PROBLEM THAT THEY HAVE NOW OR MAKE IT WORSE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. YES? >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE GENTLEMAN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COME ON UP, SIR. >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU PUT THAT MAP THAT YOU HAD UP AND PUT IT DOWN. HAVE IT FACE TOWARD YOU. CAN YOU POINT OUT WHERE YOUR HOUSE IS SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND? >> MY HOUSE WOULD BE RIGHT HERE? >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? YES, COME ON UP, SIR. AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> I AM MICHAEL AND OWNER OF -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HE WOULD BE PART OF THE POSITION? >> I AM THE OWNER OF THE LAND. >>MARTIN SHELBY: ARE YOU REPRESENTING THIS PERSON, THEN? IS THAT PART OF YOUR REBUTTAL? >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE REBUTTAL, IF I MAY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HE SHOULD BE INCLUDED. >> I DIDN'T KNOW THE GENTLEMAN WAS GOING TO SPEAK. DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE WILL GIVE YOU THREE MINUTES, BUT THAT WILL BE PART OF YOUR ORIGINAL PRESENTATION. IT WON'T CUT INTO YOUR REBUTTAL, BUT WILL BE PART OF YOUR PRESENTATION. >> I WILL TAKE OF THE REBUTTAL WHEN IT IS TIMELY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HE WILL NOT SPEAK? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT NOT A OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY OR AFFILIATED WITH THIS PROPERTY? >> COUNCILMEMBER, IF I MAY MAKE A CORRECTION FOR THE RECORD. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, WHO IS SPEAK SOMETHING IN. >> THIS IS DANNY COLLINS WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF. CORRECTION. THE APPLICANT REFERENCED TO SEE DRINK FLORIDA THE UNINCORPORATED COUNTY PLAN AND SPECIAL AREA STUDIES PROVIDING GREATER FLEXIBILITY OF LAND USE AND DENSITY FOR FUTURE DEVELOP DEVELOPMENT WHILE ENSURING THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUFFERS ARE ENHANCED. THAT POLICY IS WITHIN THE UNINCORPORATED PLAN AND DOES NOT INVOLVE THE CITY OF TAMPA. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. PRESSMAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE REBUTTAL AT THE TIME. >> YES. WE SENT NOTICES TO 37 RESIDENTS. WE HAVE ONE HERE, MR. DELGADO. THERE HAVE BEEN NO OTHER COMMENTS OF OPPOSITION OR CONCERN FROM THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. AS I HEARD THE COMMENTS FROM MR. DELGADO, HAS TO DO WITH STORMWATER. ONCE THIS COMES IN WITH SITE PLANNING, THE CITY AND AGENCIES ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THIS VERY CLOSELY FOR STORMWATER AND DRAINAGE. MORE THAN THAT THIS IS A VACANT OPEN SITE AND THE WATER -- STORMWATER IS GOING WHEREVER GOD AND NATURAL FORCES INTENDED. ONCE THAT IS DEVELOPED, ALL THAT WILL BE CONTROLLED. THE SITUATION FOR STORMWATER AND DRAINAGE WILL BE IMPROVED ONCE THIS PROPERTY COMES IN FOR ENGINEERING AND THEN ENGINEERING THROUGH THE CITY AND THE SEPARATE AGENCIES. SO THAT IS AN ELEMENT YOU KNOW WILL HAVE TO BE CONTROLLED AND REGULATED AND THE ONLY OPPOSITION AND POINT OF CONCERN THAT I HEARD RAISED TODAY. WITH THAT, WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL? >>LUIS VIERA: CAN I ASK A QUESTION, IF I MAY. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL BE APPROPRIATE. FOR MR. WELLS AND MR. SHELBY, THE GENTLEMAN THAT CAME UP AND SPOKE OF FLOODING ISSUES. IS IT APPROPRIATE FOR MY OFFICE TO SPEAK WITH HIM, NOT ON THIS BUT JUST ON THAT ISSUE IN GENERAL. IS THAT APPROPRIATE? OR SHOULD WE WAIT -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: MY SUGGESTION WILL BE IF IT IS POSSIBLE TO WAIT UNTIL THIS IS OVER AND COMPLETE. >>LUIS VIERA: MAY I ASK HIM TO CONTACT MY OFFICE ONCE WE FINISH WITH THIS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AND THE 30-DAY APPEAL PERIOD. >>LUIS VIERA: CONTACT MY OFFICE AND LET'S SAY -- IF THIS PASSES, CONTACT MY OFFICE PLEASE AND LET'S SAY 45 DAYS AND WE CAN HELP WU THAT. OKAY. >> WITH THE DRAINAGE? I MEAN, I AM SURE -- >>LUIS VIERA: JUST -- JUST DO THAT. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU, SIR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS A LITTLE BIT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WANT TO REFERENCE THE NEIGHBORS AND ALL. I THINK YOU HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT AS WELL, IT IS A LITTLE FRUSTRATING BECAUSE YOU DON'T SEE THE SITE PLANS. ALL THAT WILL BE COMING ONE THE PROPERTY IS REDEVELOPED. I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THE APPLICANT LISTENED TO COUNCIL ON THE FIRST READING AND REDUCED DENSITY AND ALSO POTENTIALLY REDUCED THE HEIGHT OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING. SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING BACK A MORE PALATABLE PROJECT FOR THIS PROPERTY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. >>LYNN HURTAK: I -- WELL, IT HAS BEEN CLOSED, BUT I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT THE DEVELOPER THEN REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND SHOW THEM SITE PLANS ONCE THAT SORT OF THING IS FURTHER AL ALONG. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE HEARING HAS BEEN CLOSED, CORRECT? COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WILL YOU MND READING THE SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE READING. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING. ORDINANCE PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 5006 EAST 97th AVENUE -- I WANT TO SURE I GOT THE RIGHT ONE. EAST 97th AVENUE FOLIO NUMBER 142348-0025 142830-5075 142830-50/50, 142830-5025, AND 142830-5,000 IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED SECTION 1 WERE ZONING DISTRICT FROM RS-60 TO RM-18 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. ANY OPPOSED. >>LYNN HURTAK: NAY. >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK VOTING NO. SECOND READING AND ADOPTION JULY 18 AT 10 A.M. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE GO TO -- >> WHAT IS THE SECOND HEARING DATE? >>CLERK: JULY 18, 2024 AT 10 A.M. OLD CITY HALL, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE NOW GO TO ITEM 72. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES, MA'AM. >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR AND CITY COUNCIL, SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ. ITEM NUMBER 2 IS PUBLIC HEARING FOR CITY COUNCIL'S RECOMMENDATION OF A RECOMMENDED ORDER FROM A HEARING OFFICER. IT WAS A PETITION FOR REVIEW ACTION FOR VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD QUESTION 23-53. THE ORDINANCE -- THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ALLOWS A PETITIONER WHO IN THIS CASE -- LIKE THIS CASE WHOSE APPLICATION WAS AT THE I NEED TO OPT TO HAVE A HEARING OFFICER HEAR AN APPEAL FROM A VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD DECISION RATHER IT COMING DIRECTLY TO COUNCIL WHICH IS THE NORMAL COURSE OF THESE THINGS. IN THIS CASE, THE VARIANCE APPLICATION WAS DENIED. VARIANCE APPLICATION SEEKING REMOVAL OF A GRAND TREE. DENIED BY THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD. THE APPLICANT FILED A PETITION FOR REVIEW AND OPTED UNDER 27-16-J-1 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO HAVE THE MATTER GO TO A HEARING OFFICER. HEARING OFFICER HELD A REVIEW HEARING MARCH 5, 2024, AND RECOMMENDED ORDER DENYING THE PETITION AND AFFIRMING THE DECISIONS OF THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD. THE CODE AS YOU MATE RECALL GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PARTICIPANTS OR PARTIES TO FILE SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS TO THE RECOMMENDED ORDER AND ALSO REQUEST ORAL ARGUMENT. SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MR. SHELBY TO GO OVER WHAT COUNCIL MAY DO WITH THOSE REQUESTS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY. I AM PASSING OUT FOR YOUR REFERENCE -- TO HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF YOU. IF YOU DON'T ALREADY HAVE IT AND WANT TO ELECTRONICALLY AN WANT A HARD COPY. I PROVIDED RESOLUTION 2024-380 A RESOLUTION SETTING THIS PUBLIC HEARING THAT SETS FORTH EXACTLY WHAT IS TO TAKE PLACE, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY ATTACHED TO THAT IS ACTUALLY THE ORDER THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF THE HEARING. THIS RECOMMENDED ORDER BY THE HEARING OFFICER. AND THIS IS -- THIS IS BEING REVIEWED PURSUANT TO SECTION 27-61-J-1. RATHER THAN THIS GOING AS A DE NOVO HEARING COMING TO YOU FROM THE VRB. THIS IS AN ALTERNATIVE THAT THE APPLICANT OR THE PERSON SEEKING REVIEW ALWAYS HAVE THE OPTION OF TO SEND THIS TO A HEARNG OFFICER. THAT IS WHAT THEY CHOSE TO DO IN THIS CASE WHICH IS WHY IT IS COMING TO YOU IN THIS FORMAT. WHICH MEMBERS YOU DON'T HEAR THINGS DE NOVO, YOU HAVE TO RELY ON THE RECOMMENDED ORDER AND REVIEW THAT AND MAKE CERTAIN DETERMINATIONS. IF PARTIES HAVE ANY EXCEPTIONS TO THE RECOMMENDED ORDER, THEY HAVE TEN WORKING DAYS TO PROVIDE THAT TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE. AND ALSO IDENTIFY DISPUTED PORTIONS OF THE RECOMMENDED ORDER BY BIPAGE NUMBER AND PARAGRAPH OF CITATIONS TO EVIENCE IN THE RECORD. AND THEN ALSO, IRJUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THERE IS A REQUEST BY THE -- BY THE PETITIONER'S COUNSEL, THE ATTORNEY, FOR ORAL ARGUMENT. SO I AM GOING TO DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE LAST TWO PAGES THAT I GAVE YOU, WHICH IS 27-61. THE REVIEW STANDARDS THAT GOVERN THIS HEARING. WITH REGARD TO THE THRESHOLD OF WHETHER YOU WILL ALLOW ORAL ARGUMENT. LET ME READ WHAT IT SAYS. CITY COUNCIL MAY ONLY ALLOW PUBLIC DISCUSSION UPON A REQUEST OF ORAL ARGUMENT FILED BY A PARTY OR UPON ITS OWN MOTION. THIS HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING THIS. AND YOU CAN ALSO DO IT UPON YOUR OWN MOTION IF YOU SO CHOOSE CITY COUNCIL IS RESTRICTED -- LET ME READ TO YOU HOW. CITY COUNCIL CAN ONLY OPEN THE MEETING FOR ORAL ARGUMENT IF THE CITY COUNCIL FINDS THAT THE HEARING OFFICER DID NOT ADDRESS A MATTER INTRODUCED INTO THE RECORD OR THE RECOMMENDED ORDER CONTAINS AMBIGUITY. IF CITY COUNCIL ALLOWS ORAL ARGUMENT, CITY COUNCIL MAY LIMIT OKAY ORAL ARGUMENT ADDRESSING ONLY THOSE MATTERS OF WHICH IT OPENED ORAL ARGUMENT. AGAIN, THAT REQUEST HAD BEEN MADE. AND, AGAIN, THERE ARE RULES THAT TAKE PLACE IF THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVES THE REQUEST FOR ORAL ARGUMENT. AND IT SAYS THE CONSENT MUST BE THE SAME AS THE CONTENT OF TESTIMONY SUBMITTED VERBALLY OR TO THE HEARING OFFICER. IF THAT GOVERN IT IS IF YOU -- IF YOU ANSWER THE THRESHOLD QUESTION IN THE AFFIRMATIVE, IF YOU WANT ORAL ARGUMENT. NOW WITH REGARD TO THE FINAL ORDER, HERE IS COUNCIL'S ROLE. COUNCIL -- CITY COUNCIL MAY ADOPT THE RECOMMENDED ORDER AS THE FINAL ORDER OR REJECT OR MODIFY THE RECOMMENDED ORDER AS PROVIDED HEREIN. CITY COUNCIL MAY NOT REJECT OR MODIFY ANY FINDS OF FACT REACHED BY THE HEARING OFFICER. IF CITY COUNCIL DETERMINES THAT A FINDING OF FACT IS NOT BASED ON COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD OR A FINDING OF FACT DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE ESSENTIAL ELEMENTS OF LAW, CITY COUNCIL MAY REMAND THE MATTER BACK TO THE HEARING OFFICER. BUT -- BUT ONLY IF IT DETERMINES THAT ADDITIONAL FACT FIND SOMETHING REQUIRED. IF CITY COUNCIL REJECTS OR MODIFIES THE COP COLLUSION OF LAW, IT MUST STATE WITH PARTICULAR TEE IN THE ORDER ITS REASONS AND MAKE A FINDING THAT THE SUBSTITUTION OF A CONCLUSION OF LAW ISSA THAT IS REASONABLY REJECTED OR MODIFIED. IF CITY COUNCIL WANTS A REVISED ORDER TO BE PREPARED, IT WILL BE BROUGHT TO YOU 45 DAYS BEFORE ADOPTION. AGAIN, FINAL VOTE RENDERED BY CITY COUNCIL WILL BE DEEMED FINAL AND APPEALED TO A COURT OF COMPETENT JURISDICTION IN A MATTER SET FORTH BY APPLICABLE LAW. IN REVIEWING THIS, COUNCIL, TO SEE IF THE CRITERIA IS MET, I AM NOT ABLE TO MAKE A FINDING. I AM NOT PREPARED TO MAKE A FINDING AT THIS TIME TO SAY THAT THE CRITERIA WAS MET. SO IF COUNCIL WISHES TO HAVE ORME ORAL ARGUMENT, IT WOULD HAVE TO MAKE IT ON ITS OWN MOTION IRRESPECTIVE WHAT MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE HAD I MADE IT. NOW IN COUNCIL'S COURT TO WANT TO AS A THRESHOLD QUESTION, GRANT THE REQUEST FOR ORAL ARGUMENT. AND IF THE ANSWER TO THAT IS YES, WE HAVE A PROCEDURE TO FOLLOW. IF YOUR ANSWER IS NO, YOUR OPTIONS ARE TO ACCEPT, REJECT OR MODIFY THE RECOMMENDED ORDER AS PROVIDED. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN HAD HIS HAND UP AND THEN COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK HURTAK WAS FIRST. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HURTAK, CLENDENIN AND MIRANDA. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. I ACTUALLY -- I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO NOT ALLOW ORAL ARGUMENT AND TO UPHOLD THE -- THE DECISION BY THE HEARING OFFICER THAT FINDS -- THAT UPHOLDS THE VARIANCE REVIEW'S DECISION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR. ANY OPPOSED? >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST FOR CLARITY, IS THAT TO ADOPT THE RECOMMENDED ORDER AS THE FINAL ORDER. >>LYNN HURTAK: CORRECT. I DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE GOING TO VOTE THAT QUICKLY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT WILL BE THE SECOND MOTION FOR THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY, SORRY, I WILL LET YOU MAKE THE SECOND MOTION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE ORDER FROM THE HEARING OFFICER. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AS THE FINAL ORDER. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AS STATED. COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN WITH A MOTION TO ADOPT THIS ORDER AND SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? THAT SETTLES EVERYTHING? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT WAS QUICK. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER 73. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: GOOD AFTERNOON, CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT. ITEM NUMBER 73 IS A REVIEW HEARING. YOUR TRADITIONAL REVIEW HEARINGS OF A STAFF DECISION. FOR DE 124-39-C FOR THE PROPERTY 3206 EAST EMMA STREET. THE APPLICANT IS FLORIDA TRUSTEE SERVICES LCC. ASKED CITY STAFF FOR A WAIVER SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE SECTION -- CITY OF TAMPA 27 27-240-E-1-H 2. STAFF DENIED THE REQUEST APRIL 25, 2024. IN THE PACKETS I HAVE GIVEN TO COUNCIL. COPIES OF CODE ELECTION 27-61. I PROVIDED A KEEP OF 27-240-E 1-H-2 THE EAST TAMPA OVERLAY DISTRICT STANDARDS AND THE STAFF REPORT A COPY OF CODE SECTIONS 27-60, WHICH IS THE CRITERIA USED FOR THE ALTERNATIVE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS. I HAVE ALSO PROVIDED SAMPLE MOTIONS AND RULES OF PROCEDURE FOR CITY COUNCIL TO USE OR TO CONDUCT THIS REVIEW HEARING. AS PROVIDED IN YOUR PACKET, CODE SECTION 27-61-J-3 PROVIDES A STANDARD OF REVIEW, A DE NOVO STANDARD OF REVIEW. THAT MEANS THAT CITY COUNCIL IS NOT LIMITED TO REVIEW OF THAT INFORMATION OR DOCUMENTATION PROVIDED DURING THE APPLICATION PROCESS. CITY COUNCIL MAY RECEIVE NEW INFORMATION. STAFF IS PRESENT TO GIVE FURTHER EXPLANATION OF THE APPLICATION IS DAVID HUNTER. HE WILL EXPLAIN WHY THE APPLICATION WAS DENIED AND THE BASIS OF THE DENIAL. AFTER CITY COUNCIL HEARS ALL THE EVIDENCE, CITY COUNCIL CAN AFFIRM THE DECISION OF THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND, THEREFORE, DENY THE REQUEST FROM THE PETITIONER OR CITY COUNCIL CAN OVERTURN THE REQUEST OF THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND, THEREFORE, GRANT THE REQUEST, THE SPECIFIC WAIVER REQUIREMENT THAT THE PETITIONER IS ASKING FOR. WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MR. HUNTER. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. IS THE POWERPOINT UP? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT IS COMING UP. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALMOST THERE. A 56-K MODEM. >> THE DIAL-UP. SOMEBODY PICKED UP THE PHONE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT HAPPENED? >> DO YOU HAVE IT PRINTED OUT? WE CAN MAKE COPIES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU HAVE THE PAPERS, DOCUMENTS FOR THE PRESENTATION. THEY SAY THEY DON'T HAVE A POWERPOINT. >> ALL RIGHT. I AM GOING TO IGNORE MY HAND WRITTEN NOTES ON THIS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PUT IT ON THE OVERHEAD, WE CAN ALL SEE IT. THERE YOU GO, PERFECT. >> ALL RIGHT. MY NAME IS DAVID HUNTER, THE PLANNING AND DESIGN COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA. I AM GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS REAL QUICK. IN IS FOUR DE 1 MACHINE 24-9 FOR THE PROPERTY AT 3206 EAST EMMA AVENUE. THE REQUEST IS FOR EXCEPTION THAT ALLOWS FOR A DRIVEWAY TO THE FRONT FACADE OF THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE IS ALLOWED IN THE EAST TAMPA OVERLAY. THE PROJECT IS ZONED RS-50 AND IN THE GENERALLY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS IS AN AFTER-THE-FACT CONDITION. IT IS PART OF COMPLAINT AS WELL AS A CODE VIOLATION WHICH WAS FILED ON -- IN AUGUST OF '23. THE COMPLAINT STATED PULL ALL REQUIRED PERMITS FOR THE FULL INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR REMODEL TO INCLUDE NEW WINDOWS, DOORS, AND ENCLOSING THE CARPORT INTO LIVING SPACE AND ANY OTHER WORK. IN OCTOBER, A COUPLE OF MONTHS LATER FILED A BUILDING FOR KITCHEN CABINET REPLACEMENT, TILE AND CARPORT ENCLOSURE TO SECOND LIVING ROOM AREA. THIS IS A CURRENT AERIAL. I PROMISE THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION WAS IN COLOR. BUT THIS IS A CURRENT AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH TAKEN IN FEBRUARY. NOTHING TOO MUCH TO NOTICE THERE. LOOKING NORTH, YOU CAN START TO SEE THE DRIVEWAY WHERE IT DOES MEET THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. GOING THROUGH -- I THINK WHAT IS IMPORTANT IN A CASE LIKE THIS, TO GO THROUGH THE HISTORY OF THE HOUSE, THE PROJECT. AND WE GET TO A CONTEXT OF HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY. I AM USING THIS BY GOOGLE OR STREET VIEW THAT GOES BACK TO 2007. YOU WILL SEE THE PROGRESSION OVER TIME. SO THIS WAS, AGAIN, DECEMBER 2007. 2011. YOU START TO SEE SOME WORK IN THE FRONT YARD, AS WELL AS A NONCOMPLIANT DRIVEWAY ON THE LEFT THERE. 2014. 2015, THEY REMOVED SOME OF THE LAND -- OR THE YARDWORK. 2018, THIS IS A NONCOMPLIANT FENCE AS WELL AS A CAR PARKED IN WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A NONCOMPLIANT DRIVEWAY. 2019. 2022. THIS IS -- THIS IS -- MAY OF '22, THIS WILL BE THE LAST YEAR BEFORE IT WAS SOLD TO THE CURRENT OWNER. AND THEN, OF COURSE, 2023, YOU CAN SEE THE CARPORT HAS BEEN ENCLOSED. AND IT WAS TAKEN IN NOVEMBER. HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY PROPERTY APPRAISER. THEY LIST THE AREA IN QUESTION. THEY STILL SHOW IT AS A -- AS A FINISHED CARPORT. AND ABOUT TWO BEDROOMS. AND AN APPRAISED VALUE OF 156. HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY PROPERTY AIR PRAISER HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED TO REFLECT THE CURRENT DIRECTION OF THIS EITHER. TO THE DE. THIS WAS THE BOUNDARY AND TOP GRAPHICAL SURVEY SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE DE. PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. NOTHING UNUSUAL ABOUT THIS. THIS WAS THEIR JUSTIFICATION. I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE HERE IS THE TAKEAWAY WHICH IS AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE, THE CARPORT WAS ENCLOSED AND UNKNOWINGLY A VIOLATION OF THE EAST TAMPA DESIGN STANDARDS. THE SURVEY AND THIS LETTER OF JUSTIFICATION IS WHAT WE RECEIVE TO REVIEW THIS PROJECT. WE HAVE GONE OVER THE STANDARD OF REVIEW FOUND IN 27-06. THIS IS THE CRITERIA WE LOOK AT IN EVALUATING A PROJECT LIKE THIS. AND THE STAFF DETERMINATION. THE APPLICANT, AS MENTIONED, IS SEEKING APPROVAL FOR THE ALTERNATIVE DESIGN RELATED TO DRIVEWAY CONSTRUCTION REGULATIONS SPECIFIED IN 27-40, SUBSECTIONS 1-H-2 TO THE DRIVEWAY GOING TO THE FRONT FACADE. THREE PRIMARY REASONS WHY WE DISAPPROVED THIS. THE FIRST WAS ACCORDING TO THE -- >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU ZOOM OUT SO WE CAN SEE THAT? WE CAN SEEK THAT BETTER? OUT SO- >> OH, I AM SORRY. ACCORDING TO THE EXISTING REGULATION, DRIVEWAYS DIRECTLY CONNECTING THE ROAD TO THE FRONT FACADE OF THE MAIN BUILDING ARE GENERALLY PROHIBITED IN EAST TAMPA. THE EXCEPTION EXISTS WHERE THE DRIVEWAY MEETS OR LEADS TO AN ATTACHED GARAGE OR CARPORT AS IT PREVIOUSLY DID. THIS ENSURES THAT THE DRIVEWAYS ARE USED FOR PROPER VEHICULAR AND STORAGE AESTHETICS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS WOULD BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH OTHER ZONING AND DESIGN STANDARDS OF THE ORDINANCE. THE VIOLATION AT SOME POINT AROUND 2022, THE EXISTING CARPORT WAS ENCLOSED INTO LIVING SPACE WHICH VIOLATES THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE. THE ORDINANCE SEEMS TO ENSURE THAT PROVIDES ACCESS OF VEHICULAR STORAGE AREAS SUCH AS GARAGES AND CAR PORTS. AND WE FOUND THIS BY APPROVING THIS REQUEST WILL SET A PRECEDENCE THAT ALLOW FOR THE CONVERSION OF DESIGNATED PARKING AREAS AND UNDERMINING THE ORDINANCES PURPOSE. THE APPLICANT'S LETTER OF JUSTIFICATION. THE LETTER STATED THAT THE CURRENT OWNER PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN LATE 2022. IT WAS NOTED AT THE TIME OF THE PURCHASE, THE CARPORT WAS ALREADY ENCLOSED WHICH IS IN VIOLATION OF THE EAST TAMPA STANDARD -- DESIGN STANDARDS AND THE APPLICATION -- THE APPLICANT CLAIMS THEY WERE UNAWARE OF THE VIOLATION. URBAN DESIGN FEELS IT IS EXPLANATION/DEPTH AND WANT TO ADDRESS WHY THE EXCEPTION CAN BE MADE TO THE EXISTING REGULATIONS. SIMPLY STATING UNAWARENESS OF THE VIOLATION DOES NOT CONSTITUTE A VALID JUSTIFICATION PER THE CRITERIA OF THE ALTERNATIVE DESIGN REQUEST. ADDITIONALLY, BOUNDARY SURVEY -- THE BOUNDARY SURVEY SUBMITTED WAS A STANDARD SURVEY AND DOES NOT HIGHLIGHT ANY UNIQUE OR EXCEPTIONAL FEATURES OF THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD WARRANT THE EXCEPTION TO THE ORDINANCE. ON THE CONTRARY, WHAT THE SURVEY DID SHOW, THERE WAS AMPLE ROOM IN THE BACK YARD, AS WELL AS THE SIDE YARD FOR EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE WHILE CONTINUING TO MAINTAIN THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE SETBACKS. THIS INDICATES THAT THE ALTERNATIVE SOLUTIONS ARE AVAILABLE THAT DO STILL COMPLY WITH THE CURRENT STANDARDS. IN OTHER WORDS, THE SURVEY DID NOT DEMONSTRATE ANY PARTICULAR UNIQUE CHALLENGES TO THE PROPERTY. THAT WOULD ALLOW THIS. FINALLY THERE ARE SITE PLAN -- SORRY, THE CODE STIPULATES THAT EACH SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE MUST PROVIDE TWO PARKING SPACES PER DWELLING UNIT. THIS IS A COMMON OCCURRENCE WHEN PEOPLE GO TO ENCLOSE A CARPORT. IT IS NOT NECESSARILY -- NOT COMPLIANT WITH STANDARDS. AND ON A BROADER STANDARD WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE AS WELL. TO COMPLY WITH EACH DOCTOR TO COMPLY WITH THE ORDINANCE EACH PARKING SPACE MUST MEASURE 9 FEET BY 18 FEET WHICH THEY DON'T HAVE FOR THE TWO PARKING SPACE. WILL NOT MEET THE CONVENTIONAL REQUIREMENTS RENDERING INCONSISTENT WITH THE CITY CODE. THIS NONCOMPLIANCE MEANING THE SITE PLAN FAILS TO PROVIDE THE NECESSARY AND ADEQUATE PARKING SPACES FOR DWELLING AS MANDATED BY THE ORDINANCE AS A RESULT, IT INCREASES IMPACTING NEIGHBORHOODS AND EMERGENCY ACCESS. IF A FIRE TRUCK ON A STREET FILLED WITH CAR, THAT IS NOT GOOD. I AM NOT SAYING THAT IS HAPPENING HERE BUT IT IS A POTENTIAL. THE LOSS OF DESIGNATED SPACE INTERVIEWS WITH COMMUNITY STANDARDS AS WELL AS THE AESTHETICS. I WILL SHOW YOU TWO OTHER THINGS. ONE THIS IS THE CODE AS OF JULY 22. WHEN THE PREVIOUS OWNER ON THE PROPERTY WHICH BASICALLY STATES YOU CAN'T HAVE A DRIVEWAY GO STRAIGHT TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. THE CODE AS OF 424 THAT ALSO STATES THE DRIVEWAY CAN'T GO TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. IN OTHER WORDS IT WAS NONCOMPLIANT THEN AND NONCOMPLIANT NOW WHICH IS I CAN'T WE FOUND IT NONCONSISTENT. I AM OPEN FOR QUESTIONS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT YOU ARE SAYING THE OVERLAY THAT EXISTED BEFORE WE APPROVED THE NEW OVERLAY EARLIER THIS YEAR TO, THE RULES WERE STILL THE SAME? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYBODY ELSE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. VERY GOOD AND THOROUGH PRESENTATION. NOW WE HAVE AN APPLICANT TO PRE PRESENT, FOR THIS ITEM, ITEM 73? >> HEY, DANTE PITTMAN WITH DESIGN GROUP. I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO ASSIST WITH THIS MATTER WITH THE CURRENT OWNER. WITH REGARD TO THE CITY STAFF AND THEIR DECISION, WE ASK FOR THE APPEAL ON THE GROUNDS THAT THE CURRENT OWNER DID PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY WITH THE ENCLOSURE ALREADY IN EXISTENCE. THE CODE COMPLAINT WAS GIVEN TO THE PROPERTY OWNER AFTER THEY HAD OWNED IT FOR QUITE SOME TIME. AND THAT DECISION WAS MADE PRIOR TO ANY COORDINATION WITH TRANSPORTATION. I HAVE DONE EXTENSIVE COMMUNICATION WITH CITY STAFF. AND THEY HAVE APPROVED PRELIMINARY -- I WILL SHOW YOU THIS -- IS THE ELMO -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR. ZOOM OUT. THERE YOU GO. >> THIS IS THE EXISTING SITE PLAN -- THIS IS THE NEW SITE PLAN THAT WE USED TO COORDINATE WITH CITY STAFF. TRANSPORTATION. WHICH SHOWS THE -- THE DRIVEWAY. ALTHOUGH IT IS STILL IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, IT DOES SHOW THAT NOW COMPLYING WITH CITY CODE. I HAVE HERE E-MAIL CORRESPONDENCE FROM CITY STAFF TRAPPING THAT STATES THAT THEY ARE -- YOU GUYS SEE THIS? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR, WE CAN SEE IT. >> STATES THAT -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: APRIL 2, 2024. >> YES. AND THAT -- THIS E-MAIL WAS ACTUALLY SENT TO US AFTER THE DECISION WAS ALREADY MADE. BUT AFTER COORDINATION, WE WERE TOLD WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND APPLY FOR THE DESIGN EXCEPTION. THE ALTERNATIVE DRIVEWAY DESIGN BECAUSE WE CAN MAKE IT WORK. THE EAST TAMPA OVERLAY DOES HAVE STRICT GUIDELINES, BUT NOW THE PROPERTY IS CAUSING A MAJOR HINDRANCE ON THE CURRENT OWNER AS NOW THEY ARE VACANT CONDITIONED CAN'T BE RENTED OUT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE ARE LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT -- WHEN WAS THE HOUSE PURCHASED? >> AROUND -- I WILL HAVE TO ASK THE CURRENT OWNER. CAN I -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YEAH, BRING HIM UP. >> CAN I SPEAK? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: URN SWORN IN WHEN WE ASKED EVERYBODY TO RAISE THEIR HAND. GO AHEAD, SIR. >> MY NAME IS PAWAN AGULAR. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHEN WAS THE HOUSE PURCHASED? >> SORRY? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHAT DATE WAS THE HOUSE PURCHASED. >> THE HOUSE WAS PURCHASED AUGUST 2022. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AUGUST OF '22? >> YES, SIR. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHEN WAS THIS ISSUE GIVEN TO YOU? >> AUGUST OF '23. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE IS WHY I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. I KNOW LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND I ARE NOT ON THE SAME PAGE. HOUSE WAS PURCHASED ON THE 2nd OF AUGUST. AND THIS COMES ON THE 23rd OF AUGUST, THAT'S CORRECT? >> YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I NEVER DISCUSSED THIS WITH ANY ONE OF YOU. AT THE TIME THIS HOUSE WAS PURCHASED, YOU BOUGHT IT THROUGH AN AGENT AND SOMEBODY AND IT WAS CHECKED BY A REAL ESTATE LAWYER OR WHATEVER AND WENT THROUGH THE COUNTY, I ASSUME, AND THEY FOUND NOTHING WRONG WITH IT. YOUR TITLE COMPANY. WHAT YOU PAID FOR, AM I CORRECT? >> YES, SIR. IR. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM MAKING ASSUMPTION ON MY PART EVEN THOUGH MY CITY THAT I LIVE IN, I DO NOT LIKE WHAT IS GOING ON. AT THE TIME IT WAS PURCHASED I ASSUME THAT IS WHEN THE CITY COMPARED THE HOUSE ON A PHOTOGRAPH FROM ZILLOW OR FROM THE INDIVIDUAL -- THE JOINING MAN THAT RUNS THE RECORDS IN THE COUR COURTHOUSE. BUT AT THAT TIME, IT IS WHEN THEY SAW -- I AM MAKING THE ASSUMPTION AGAIN ON MY PART, THEY SAW THE DIFFERENCE IN THE DRIVEWAY CONSTRUCTION. I HAVE TO ASSUME THAT. SO NOW, DID YOU BUILD THE SIDEWALK? OR DID YOU BUILD THE -- THE ITEM THAT CAME ALL THE WAY TO THE ROAD? THE DRIVEWAY? >> NO, WE DID NOT MAKE ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PROPERTY. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU ARE GOING TO SUE THE PEOPLE YOU BOUGHT THE HOUSE FROM. YOU HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, CORRECT? >> WE HAD AN INVESTOR BEFORE US THAT BOUGHT THE PROPERTY MARCH OF '22. AND THE PICTURES SUBMITTED WAS MAY OF '22. SO WE DID SOME RESEARCH AS WELL, SIR. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET ME SAY THIS. I NEVER TALKED TO THEM. THIS IS THE FIRST CASE I HEARD OF THIS IN ALL MY LIFE HERE; HOWEVER, THERE ARE OTHERS THAT CALLED ME AND COMPLAINED OF THE SAME THING. SO IF THE CITY NEVER FILED BECAUSE THEY NEVER DID IT UNTIL YOU BOUGHT THE HOUSE. WHO IS TO BLAME? >> I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE BLAMED FOR THAT, SIR. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AND I WILL HANDLE THIS WITH ANY ATTORNEY IN ANY COURT. I WILL EVEN REPRESENT YOU. THAT IS HOW MUCH I THINK WE ARE HURTING THE PROBLEM. YOU CAN NOT CHARGE SOMEBODY FOR SOMETHING THEY DID NOT DO. EVEN THOUGH IT WAS NOT REGISTERED IN THE COURT WHEN THEY CHECKED IT. IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT. NOT MY FAULT. NOT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT'S FAULT. IT IS THE SYSTEM WE HAVE NOW. AND NOW THE EASY ONE IS YOU. >> WE ARE JUST TRYING -- HONESTLY JUST FIX THE ISSUE BY ANY MEANS POSSIBLE, WHICH IS WHY WE TRY TO COORDINATE WITH TRANSPORTATION. THEY -- THE ISSUE WAS THAT THE -- THAT THE -- THE CARPORT WAS ENCLOSED. AND IT CREATED A PARKING ISSUE FOR THE -- >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHO CLOSED THE CARPORT? >> THE PERSON >> SOMEBODY BEFORE US. AND WE THINK IT WAS THE -- IT WAS BEFORE US. >> NOW WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE GOOD ON THE ISSUE. >> A LICENSED CONTRACTOR AFTER WE GOT THE STOP WORK ORDER AFTER -- AFTER ONE YEAR WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY. AND THEN WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING -- WE DID NOT RENT, BECAUSE WE DID NOT WANT TO CAUSE ANY TROUBLE TO THE TENANT OBVIOUSLY. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WITH MY OWN CITY, WE HAVE TO SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS NOW BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO GET HUNDREDS THEM IN THE FUTURE. CHECKING -- AND I MADE AN ASSUMPTION. I NEVER TALKED TO ANYBODY IN THE CITY OTHER THAN THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT ON THIS. I DON'T KNOW WHO IS CHECKING FOR NOT CHECKING AT TIME OF SALE. DO THEY CHECK IT ON A DAILY BASIS OR YEARLY BASIS UNLESS THERE IS NO SALE IS THE PROBLEM I HAVE. >> SIR, I THINK WE ARE BASING ON GOOGLE MAPS. AND I FEEL LIKE WE SAW THE BREAK NOW. THERE IS A GAP OF A YEAR AND A HALF AND YEAR. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ANYBODY IN THE CITY, DO YOU CHECK ANYTHING UNLESS UNLESS THERE IS A SALE? THAT'S ALL, I REST MY CASE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF. COULD YOU SHOW ME THE PROPERTY APPRAISER SLIDE AGAIN? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT WASN'T UPDATED, I DON'T THINK. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHEN WAS THAT PROPERTY APPRAISER -- >> I DID THAT LIKE A WEEK AGO. >>LYNN HURTAK: A WEEK OKAY. WHAT YOU ARE SAYING WHEN THIS PERSON BOUGHT THIS HOUSE, WHEN THEY PULLED ALL THE RECORDS, THE PROPERTY APPRAISER RECORD SHOULD HAVE CLEARLY SHOWN THAT WAS AN OPEN CARPORT, AM I CORRECT? >> AS IT STILL DOES. >> YES. >> SO THE APPLICANT AND WHILE I FEEL FOR THE APPLICANT, AT THE SAME TIME, CLEARLY IT SHOWED IN THE PAPERWORK THAT THIS WAS AN UNPERMITTED WORK. >> IT WOULD LEND TO REASON THAT ANYBODY DOING DUE DILIGENCE AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE WILL SEE THAT AND THE DISCREPANCY. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND THEN CLENDENIN. >>BILL CARLSON: DANTE, CAN YOU COME BACK UP? I KNOW YOU AS A HOMEBUILDER AND DEVELOPER BECAUSE YOU HAVE COME BEFORE US BEFORE. BUT ON A PROJECT LIKE THIS THEN, YOU ARE HIRED TO TRY TO RESOLVE THE PROBLEM. YOU FEEL LIKE -- I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH. YOU FEEL THAT THE SOLUTION YOU HAVE COME WITH MEETS THE CODE AND CRITERIA GOING FORWARD. >> I WAS HIRED TO ASSIST WITH THE OFFICIAL ISSUE WITH THE CODE VIOLATION FOR UNPERMITTED WORK. I WAS CALLED TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE WHATEVER MODIFICATIONS TO THIS PROPERTY, MAKE THEM CODE COMPLIANT, MAKE THEM OFFICIAL. CALL INSPECTIONS AND EVERYTHING, BUT IN DOING THAT IN THE PROCESS, SUBMITTED DOCUMENTS TO THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR PERMITS AND THEN THE DRIVEWAY ISSUE PRESENTED ITSELF. ITSELF. ORT ISSUE PRESENTED - >>BILL CARLSON: COULD YOU OR MAYBE THE OWNER WOULD DO THIS CONSIDERING MY COLLEAGUE'S QUESTIONS. I GUESS ONE ALTERNATIVE TO CONVERT IT BACK TO A CARPORT. COULD YOU -- MAYBE ONE OR TWO BOTH OF YOU EXPLAIN WHY YOU DIDN'T CHOOSE THAT CHOICE AND WHAT IT WOULD HAVE INVOLVED? >> SO -- I TAKE IT BACK TO THE FINANCIAL BURDEN THIS IS CAUSING NOW. SO IN ORDER TO BUILD AN EXTENSION COUNTY DRIVEWAY, WE ARE TALKING COUPLE THOUSAND -- COUPLE OF THOUSAND DOLLARS. IN ORDER TO REMOVE THAT ENCLOSURE AND ALL THE FINISHING THAT IS INSIDE, IT WILL COST MORE TO ACTUALLY CONVERT IT TO A CARPORT THAN TO JUST BUILD -- TO CONSTRUCT MINI EXTENSION OF THE DRIVEWAY THAT MEETS THE CITY'S TECHNICAL STANDARDS FOR TRANSPORTATION. AND IT WILL TAKE LESS TIME TO DO THAT AS WELL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE SCOPE OF YOUR PROJECT AND WHY YOU WERE HERE WAS TO BRING THIS -- OBVIOUSLY IT WAS A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT FOR THE CONVERSION OF THIS CARPORT. YOU ARE TRYING TO BRING THIS INTO COMPLIANCE. >> YES. >>BILL CARLSON: BY HOOK OR BY CROOK? >> YES. >>BILL CARLSON: SO -- BUT EVEN BY DOING THAT, YOU STILL CREATE A NONCOMPLIANT ISSUE BECAUSE THE DRIVEWAY. SOUNDS AS THOUGH IT IS AN IMPOSSIBLE SITUATION. YOU CREATE -- YOU TRY TO SOLVES ONE PROBLEM AND CREATE ANOTHER. THERE IS NO COMPLIANCE WHILE UTILIZING THIS ENCLOSED AREA AS WHAT IT WAS INTENDED TO BE A CARPORT. NO FITTING THE DESCRIPTION ORT,- DESCRIBED BY CODE. >> IT WAS LOSE-LOSE IN THE BE BEGINNING BECAUSE IT DIDN'T TRANSPORTATION STANDARDS. DIDN'T MEET TRANSPORTATION STANDARDS AND THE EAST TAMPA OVERLAY STANDARDS. NOW WIN-LOSE BECAUSE TRANSPORTATION IS ALREADY APPROVED. >> UNLESS YOU HAVE ANOTHER E-MAIL. ALL I SAW THAT ON THAT AND READ IT CORRECTLY. THEY MAY CONSIDER. DID THEY ACTUALLY APPROVE IT? THE E-MAIL YOU SHOWED SAID "IT MAY CONSIDER". >> SORRY. THIS IS THE CODE THAT THEY PROVIDED FOR THE ALTERNATIVE DESIGN EXCEPTION. >>BILL CARLSON: I UNDERSTAND THEY COULD GRANT THAT. I DIDN'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE THAT THEY DID GRANT THAT. >> THIS IS THE CONVERSATION WE HAD IF THIS IS ADVICE, BECAUSE WE WERE GOING BACK AND FORTHkt. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU HAVE AN E-MAIL SHOWING THAT IT WAS APPROVED -- THE DESIGN EXCEPTION WILL BE APPROVED. >> CAN'T TECHNICALLY BE APPROVED BECAUSE IT GOT REJECTED FIRST. WE HAVE TO FILE FOR A DESIGN EXCEPTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WAS THAT ALTERNATIVE DESIGN EXCEPTING -- >> NO, THE CONVERSATION WE HAD WAS AFTER THE DECISION WAS MADE AND THE CONVERSATION THAT CITY STAFF PROVIDED FOR -- THE DENIAL FOR THE DESIGN EXCEPTION WITH TRANSPORTATION. EXAMPLE THEY PROVIDED IN THE DOCUMENTATION CAME WAY BEFORE WE TALKED TO TRANSPORTATION ABOUT IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I UNDERSTAND, THIS IS -- >> SORRY, A NOTE FROM TRANSPORTATION TELLING US WHAT TO ACTUALLY DO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AS A SUGGESTION. MY WHOLE THING ON THIS WAS -- GOES BACK TO THE OLD ADAGE, BUYER BEWARE. DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE. THIS IS NO-WIN SITUATION. IT MAKES US LOOK BAD. BUT IT IS A BUYER BEWARE THING. BEFORE YOU BUY SOMETHING, MAKE SURE IT IS IN ACCORDANCE -- THAT IT CONFORMS. DUE YOUR DUE DILIGENCE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYTHING ELSE SIR? >> YES. I WOULD HONESTLY ADD, EAST TAMPA OVERLAY 27-240 NO DRIVEWAY WILL BE CONSTRUCTED FROM THE ROAD TO THE FRONT FACADE OF THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE. YOU LOOK AT 3006 EMMA THAT TERMINATE. AND EAST EMMA THAT TERMINATES AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. THIS EXCEPTION WE ARE ASKING FOR -- NOT A BURDEN ON ANYBODY. WE ARE TRYING TO JUST MAKE RIGHT ON THE ISSUE. WE ACQUIRED THIS PROBLEM -- NOT WE, BUT THE OWNER ACQUIRED THIS PROBLEM. AND THE PROBLEM FOR THE GUY TRYING TO HELP. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO SAY THIS. THERE IS ANOTHER WAY OF SOLVING THIS PROBLEM -- NOT TODAY MAYBE, BUT IN THE FUTURE. THAT THE OWNER HAS A SIGN AN AFFIDAVIT AT TIME OF SALE -- THE ONLY WAY TO SOLVE THIS THAT HE OR SHE CAN NEVER CHANGE ANY PART OF THAT HOUSE AT THE TIME OF SALE. BUT THAT CAN'T BE DONE IN THIS CASE. I LOVE LAWS, BUT THIS IS AN UNJUST LAW. YOU WANT TO BE THE BUYER BEWARE. THE CITY DID NOT DO ANYTHING UNLESS THERE WAS A SALE. AM I CORRECT? DID THE CITY EVER CHECK THIS OUT PRIOR TO THIS? >> WE WOULD NOT BE TRIGGERED UNLESS A CODE ENFORCEMENT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: CODE ENFORCEMENT EVER CHECK THIS HOUSE FOR ANYTHING PRIOR TO THIS? >> NOT THAT I AM AWARE OF. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NEITHER AM I, I AM NOT AWARE OF IT EITHER. IF YOU WERE NOT AWARE OF IT, IT IS NOT IN A COURT RECORD THAT THEY FOUND ANYTHING DONE. SO WE ARE HANGING INNOCENT PE PEOPLE. >> SIR, IF I MAY. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AT THE TIME THEY BUILT A HOUSE, THEY THEMSELVES DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS DONE. I AM MAKING AN ASSUMPTION. I AM NOT ASKING OR YELLING AT YOU, I AM GETTING EXCITED A LITTLE BIT. >> THE APPLICANT CITED A FEW ADDITIONAL ADDRESSES WHERE THIS IS ALREADY IN ACURRENTS. YES, IT IS A BIG PROBLEM. PEOPLE DO A LOT OF WORK WITHOUT A PERMIT. IT BOGS DOWN THE SYSTEM. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THESE PEOPLE DIDWORK WITHOUT A PERMIT? >> OBVIOUSLY THEY DID NOT. I WILL TAKE THEIR WORD FOR IT. WE EQUATE IT OFTENTIMES YOU BUY A USED CAR AND THE WINDOWS ARE TOO DARK -- >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: TALKING DIFFERENT APPLES. >> FAIR ENOUGH. A USED CAR AND WINDOWS THAT ARE TOO DARK. THE POLICE ARE NOT GOING TO SAY WELL, YOU BOUGHT IT THAT WAY, THEY WILL MAKE YOU GO FIX THEM. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE YOU ON A COURT. YOU AND I ONE ON ONE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. >> FAIR ENOUGH. I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO THE APPLICANT REGARDING THEIR TRANSP TRANSPORTATION. THIS WILL BE DIFFICULT TO READ. TRANSPORTATION LOOKED AT THIS AS PART OF THE THE DESIGN EXCEPTION AND THEY MADE THE SAME COMMENT THAT THIS IS A USE OVER EAST TAMPA OVERLAY AND THEY DO NEED TO COMPLY WITH THE EAST TAMPA OVERLAY STANDARDS. THE APPLICANT DID RECEIVE AND HAVE CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE APPLICANT LATER SAYING THAT TRANSPORTATION COULD LOOK AT A DESIGN EXCEPTION BUT DID NOT SAY THEY WOULD GRANT IT. BUT I ALSO WOULD POINT OUT THIS IS A TRANSPORTATION DESIGN EXCEPTION PER CHAPTER 22 NOT PER 27. A DIFFERENT PROCESS AND THEY WILL STILL HAVE TO MEET THE EAST TAMPA OVERLAY STANDARDS. THE DESIGN EXCEPTION THEY WERE REFERRING TO HAS A WHOLE PLETHORA OF CONDITIONS THAT NEED TO BE MET, AS WELL AS EAST TAMPA DESIGN STANDARDS AND USUALLY THAT WILL BE MORE AKIN TO SOMETHING LIKE A DRIVEWAY THAT IS TOO WIDE OR SOMEONE DOING A CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY WHERE THE PROPERTY IS NOT BIG ENOUGH. THIS WILL BE APPROPRIATE NOR A DESIGN EXCEPTION, NOT IN THIS CASE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WILL YOU PUT THE E-MAIL BACK UP. YOUR COPY OF IT. >> SURE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE OTHER PAGE, THE E-MAIL, THE PIECE. BECAUSE I CAN READ THIS ONE. >> WHEN THEY HOOKED AT THIS, THEY ARE NOT LOOKING AT IT NECESSARILY FROM THE EAST TAMPA OVERLAY. SHOULD ALSO BE NOTED THAT THIS WAS AFTER IT HAD BEEN DISAPPROVED FROM THE DESIGN EXCEPTION SO THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT AND MOBILITY WHEN THEY WROTE THIS E-MAIL WAS LOOKING AT IT STRICTLY FROM CHAPTER 22. NOT FROM CHAPTER 27. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PERFECT, THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, SIR. WE WILL OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, COME ON UP. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. NO ONE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. NOBODY REGISTERED. ANY ADDITIONAL STAFF? I GUESS YOU DON'T NEED REBUTTAL. SO ANYTHING ELSE YOU WISH TO ADD? YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES FOR REBUTTAL, SIR. YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. I AM THE OWNER. AND MY NAME IS CARROLL V VAN BELKENBERG. WHEN I PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY, I DID NOT REALIZE THAT THERE HAVE BEEN A MODIFICATION TO IT MADE THAT WAS NOT PERMITTED. I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO RENT THE HOUSE BECAUSE THE STOP ORDER BUT I AM PAYING THE WATER, THE ELECTRICITY, THE TAXES, THE INSURANCE ON THE HOME. IT'S BECOME A VERY LARGE FINANCIAL BURDEN FOR ME. AND WE GOT THE STOP WORK ORDER LAST SEPTEMBER, I BELIEVE. AND HERE WE ARE IN JUNE FINALLY DISCUSSING THIS. I HAVE TAKEN A LONG TIME TO GET TO THIS POINT, AND I HAVE BEEN CARRYING IT FINANCIALLY THIS WHOLE TIME. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE COURT TO COME UP WITH A RESOLUTION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. CERTAINLY OPENING UP THE HOUSE AND TURNING IT -- THAT SPACE BACK INTO A CARPORT WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL CONSIDERABLE FINANCIAL BURDEN. WE HAVE PROPOSED A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT DRIVE WAY ALTERNATIVE WITH A HALF CIRCULAR DRIVE AND I BELIEVE WE WERE TURNED DOWN BECAUSE OF PERCOLATION ISSUES. THIS ADDITIONAL CONCRETE PAD, I BELIEVE, WAS ACCEPTED AND THEN TURNED DOWN DUE TO OLD CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES. I DO FEEL LIKE THE VICTIM HERE. AND I JUST NEED TO GET OUT FROM UNDER THIS FINANCIALLY. AND I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE THE COURT'S ASSISTANCE WITH THIS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. YES SIR? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I JUST WANT TO GO A STEP FURTHER, IF I MAY. YOU BOUGHT THE HOUSE IN AUGUST OF ' 2? >> YES -- YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: DID CODE ENFORCEMENT -- WHEN YOU BOUGHT THE HOUSE, DID YOU HAVE A TITLE SEARCH DONE ON THE TITLE? >> YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THEY FOUND NOTHING? >> NO, THEY DID NOT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. THE HEARING IS CLOSED. >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A MOTION. YOU KNOW, I FEEL VERY SORRY FOR THE APPLICANT, AND UNFORTUNATELY WE CAN NOT CONSIDER MONEY. MONEY CAN'T BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CONSIDER WHEN WE LOOK AT A PROJECT LIKE THIS. AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, AS AS AN INVESTOR, DUE DILIGENCE IS REALLY YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, ESPECIALLY AS AN INVESTOR, TO KNOW, TO HAVE LOOKED AT PROPERTY APPRAISER RECORDS, TO HAVE REALLY -- I MEAN WHEN YOU BUY A PROPERTY, THERE IS ALL KIND OF DUE DILIGENCE THAT AN OWNER -- >> BUT. >>LYNN HURTAK: EXCUSE ME, THE HEARING IS CLOSED. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE HEARING IS CLOSED. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO UPHOLD THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DENIAL OF DE 1-24-39-C, PROPERTY 3206 EAST EMMA STREET FAILED TO PROVIDE COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE TO WAIVE THE REQUIREMENT IN 27-240 SUBSECTIONSE-1-H.2 BASED ON THE CRITERIA CITY OF TAMPA CODE SECTION 27-60 FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS, MAINLY BECAUSE WE HAVE A BRAND-NEW NOT EVEN SIX-MONTH-OLD DESIGN STANDARD THAT -- EAST TAMPA OVERLAY THAT WE JUST APPROVED THAT DOUBLES DOWN THAT NO DRIVEWAY WILL BE CONSTRUCTED AND IT IS -- THE APPLICANT DID NOT DO DUE DILIGENCE PURCHASING THIS PROPERTY TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS WAS -- THAT THE ISSUE WAS NOT THAT THERE WERE NO PROBLEMS WITH IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. DISCUSSION? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DISCUSSION. AGAIN, I WANT TO SAY, I AM EMPATHETIC WITH YOUR CAUSE, BUT YOU HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF BEING IT INTO COMPLIANCE BY RECONVERTING THE CARPORT BACK INTO A CARPORT SO THE DRIVEWAY WILL BE COMPLIANT. I THINK THAT IS THE -- REALLY THE REASONABLE OUTCOME OF THIS. AGAIN, AGAIN PIER WE WARE, MA'AM. DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND I PURCHASED PROPERTIES IN THE PAST. I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF QUESTIONABLE THINGS AS YOU LOOK AT PROPERTIES AROUND THE CITY OF TAMPA. WHILE I AM EMPATHETIC, YOU HAVE -- I WOULD PROBABLY VOTE DIFFERENTLY IF I FELT LIKE IT WAS SO BOX IN IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO SOLVE. THIS ONE HAS A RESOLUTION AND THAT IS BEING IN COMPLIANT BY CONVERTING THE CARPORT BACK. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SIR? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I JUST WANT TO SAY GOING BACK TO THE CAR COMPARISON WHICH I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH. IF YOU BOUGHT A CAR, TAKE IT TO THE MECHANIC. THEY CHECK IT OUT. IT IS FINE. YOU DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE. IF THE CAR WAS BAD, YOU STILL DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE. YOU NEVER HAD A CHANCE TO DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNEW. YOU PAID SOMEBODY TO DO A TITLE SEARCH. IT WAS DONE. I KNOW THERE WAS AN OVERLAY THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO -- BECAUSE THE CITY HAS NEVER CHECKED ANY ONE OF THEM, TO MY KNOWLEDGE SO NOW YOU ARE THE ONE THAT IS PAYING THE PRICE. NOT ONLY LOSE THE VALUE OF THE HOUSE BUT TAKING THE CARPORT OUT THAT YOU DIDN'T BUILD. AND YOU WILL HAVE TO PAY TO HAVE IT TAKEN DOWN. GOD BLESS AMERICA. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. ANY OPPOSED. LET'S DO A ROLL CALL FOR CLARITY. MOTION AND A SECOND. GO AHEAD. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO. >>BILL CARLSON: NO. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES. >>GWEN HENDERSON: NO. >>LUIS VIERA: NAY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO. >>CLERK: MOTION FAILED WITH MIRANDA CARLSON HENDERSON VIERA AND MANISCALCO VOTING NO. >>LYNN HURTAK: SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR COUNCIL THEN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT DO WE DO? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FOLLOW THE RULES. >>LYNN HURTAK: BASICALLY WE ARE SAYING THAT YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND BUILD WHATEVER YOU WANT AND THEN SELL IT. AND OH, WELL -- SO EAST TAMPA SPENT A LOT OF TIME WORKING ON THEIR NEW OVERLAY AND BASICALLY WE ARE TELLING THEM TOUGH LUCK. I -- I FEEL FOR THE APPLICANT, I TRULY DO. BUT IF YOU DIDN'T CHECK THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S WEB SITE BEFORE YOU BUY SOMETHING. I CHECK THE PROPERTY APPRAISER WEB SITE BEFORE I EVEN BID ON SOMETHING. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: BUT IT IS NOT THERE. >>LYNN HURTAK: IT WAS THERE. HE SAID VERY CLEARLY THAT IN THE PROPERTY APPRAISER IT STILL SHOW IT IS AS A CARPORT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THEY PAID FOR A TITLE SEARCH. >>LYNN HURTAK: TITLE DOESN'T MATTER. TITLE IS A TITLE. NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY APPRAISER. THE PROPERTY APPRAISER TELLS YOU IS ACTUALLY -- TELLS WHAT IS PERMITTED AND WHAT IS BEING DONE. IF WE ARE JUST GOING TO APPROVE EVERY SINGLE THING THAT COMES IN FRONT OF US LIKE THIS, LIKE, OH, WELL, I AM SO SORRY. AN EASY FIX. TAKE TWO WALLS DOWN. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I BELIEVE THE CITY -- I BELIEVE THIS CITY SHOULD CHECK ZILLOW ON A DAILY BASIS FOR EVERY HOUSE IN THE CITY. IT IS AWFUL, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AND WE DIDN'T CATCH IT. >>LYNN HURTAK: THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S FAULT, NOT OURS. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WELL, WE HAVE A WAY OF DOING -- WE WORK WITH THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE. THEY HAVE THE EQUIPMENT WHERE THEY CAN SATELLITE EVERYTHING YOU DO. EVERY SINGLE THING YOU DO. WHY DON'T THEY FIX IT THEN? WHY DON'T WE DO IT THEN? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCIL, MR. MIRANDA, I WOULD SUGGEST OUTSIDE THIS PUBLIC HEARING, WE CAN TAKE THAT DISCUSSION UP. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO MAKE IT PART OF THE RECORD. I DON'T DO ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. >>MARTIN SHELBY: UNDERSTOOD. COUNCIL, IF I CAN. JUST SO YOU KNOW -- AND THIS CAME UP ALSO RECENTLY TO BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION AS PART OF TAKING A LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE. BASICALLY THE ONLY THING IS A PETITION OF A VERY VIEW OF A ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DECISION. BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION IRRESPECTIVE OF WHAT THIS COUNCIL DOES IN ORDER TO BE PERMITTED HAVE TO MEET LIFE SAFETY STANDARDS. IRRESPECTIVE OF WHAT THAT COUNCIL DOES MAY NOT ULTIMATELY AFFECT WHAT HAPPENS IN PERMITTING FOR THAT TO BE GIVEN A PERMIT UNDER THE CITY CODE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NOT HARD TO SOLVE. IF QUESTION CHANGE THE LAW. TIME OF SALE, THAT THE OWNER DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO THE HOUSE AND AT THE TIME OF SALE, IT IS RECORDED RIGHT THERE. WE CAN SOLVE THIS PROBLEM TODAY, BUT WE WON'T DO IT. >>LYNN HURTAK: THE LEGISLATURE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, CHAIR. SOMETIMES THINGS JUST YOU KNOW DON'T WORK OUT IN THIS INSTANCE. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SPOKEN, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE PROBLEM GOES AWAY. AND THE CITY, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, MAKES MISTAKES ALL OF THE TIME. THERE ARE PROPERTIES THAT DO NOT HAVE THE CORRECT INFORMATION WITHIN THE SYSTEM ON THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY PROPERTY APPRAISER'S SITE THAT EXIST AND PEOPLE LIVE IN THOSE HOMES ALL THE TIME. THIS IS NOT NEW, BUT YOUR CASE AS THE OWNER WHEN YOU BOUGHT IT, I THINK THAT DID DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND WHY I VOTED THE WAY I VOTED. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH. I WILL MAKE -- I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO OVERTURN THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DENIAL. I MOVE TO OVERTURN THE ADMINISTRATOR'S DENIAL OF DE 1-24-93 FOR THE PROPERTY AT 3206 EAST EMMA STREET BECAUSE THE PETITIONER PROVIDED SUBSTANTIAL AND COMPETENT EVIDENCE TO WAIVE THE REQUIREMENT IN CITY OF TAMPA CODE 27-240-E-1-HH.2 BASED ON THE CRITERIA IN CITY CODE. MY COLLEAGUES MAY ADD, BASED ON THE VERBAL TESTIMONY, THIS -- THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE DONE. THIS AN OLDER HOUSE. THE -- ALTHOUGH THE OVERLAY AND THE RULES WILL APPLY TO A NEW HOUSE -- COULD APPLY TO AN OLDER HOUSE, IN PARTICULAR THEY WILL APPLY TO NEW HOUSES AS THE AREA CHANGES. IN THIS CASE, I THINK IT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY TO LEAVE IT AS IT IS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON WITH A MOTION. A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA. ROLL CALL VOTE. >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM. >>LYNN HURTAK: MR. SHELBY, WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY EVEN IF THIS IS APPROVED, IT HAS TO GO THROUGH PROGRAMMING WHERE THIS IS NOT -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: I CANNOT TELL YOU WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN PERMITTING. I JUST KNOW -- >>LYNN HURTAK: IT WOULDN'T BE PERMITTED -- SHELBY BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION IRRESPECTIVE OF WHAT THIS COUNCIL DOES, THERE IS STILL A PROCESS BEYOND THIS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND A SECOND. ROLL CALL VOTE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: NO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CLENDENIN AND HURTAK VOTING NO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LET'S DO SOME ORDINANCES FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION. WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER 75. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: GOOD AFTERNOON, ANDREA ZELMAN, CITY ATTORNEY. ITEM 75 IS THE ITEM WE DISCUSSED, I BELIEVE, TWO WEEKS AGO TO ACTUALLY AMEND THE CHARTER TO CHANGE THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS TO SAY THAT RATHER THAN APPLYING TO THE OFFICERS LISTED IN THE CHARTER AS WELL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, THIS WILL CHANGE IT TO NOW APPLY ONLY TO ELECTED OFFICERS. THE ONLY OFFICERS THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS WOULD APPLY TO IF THIS CHARTER AMENDMENT PASSES WOULD BE ELECTED OFFICERS. THAT IS WHAT YOU ASKED FOR SO THIS ORDINANCE IS SIMPLY THE ORDINANCE THAT WILL PUT THE NEW LANGUAGE ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER. TODAY IS YOUR FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE AND ASSUMING YOU APPROVE IT AND GO FORWARD, THERE WILL BE A SECOND READING AND LANGUAGE WILL GO ON THE NOVEMBER 5 BALLOT FOR THE VOTERS TO DE DECIDE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. I. >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO REITERATE -- CANNOT TELL YOU HOW DISAPPOINTED I AM. TWO YEARS AGO TRYING TO GET SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES IN THE CHARTER TO FIX ERRORS IN INTERPRETATION. THE -- THE -- THE ADMINISTRATION STAFF PUT EVERY BLOCK IN OUR WAY OVER A SERIES OF MONTHS. PART OF IT THAT MARTY WAS OUT OVER PART OF IT. BUT IN THE END, I GOT BLAMED BECAUSE I DUMPED A BUNCH OF PROPOSALS AT THE LAST MINUTE. REALITY WAS, IT WAS A WHOLE SERIES OF MONTHS WHERE WE COULD HAVE DISCUSSED THINGS, BUT IT WAS CLEAR THAT THE ADMINISTRATION DIDN'T WANT ANY CHARTER CHANGES. AND THEY SAID WE SHOULD NOT CHANGE THE CHARTER AND RAN ADS SAYING WE SHOULDN'T CHANGE THE CHARTER. THIS ONE THAT THE ADMINISTRATION WANTS, WITHIN A WEEK WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE. A WHOLE BUNCH EVER THINGS I THINK WE SHOULD TWEAK IN THE CHARTER FOR THE MISINTERPRETATIONS IN THE PAST AND ASKED THE CHAMBER AND OTHERS TO COME THROUGH. WHAT HAPPENED PRIOR TO THE ADMINISTRATION THAT PREVIOUS CITY ATTORNEYS HAD MISINTERPRETED THE CHARTER AND THE PUSH BACK TO TAKE POWERS AWAY FROM THE MAYOR WHICH WE ARE NOT. WE WERE TRYING TO PROTECT THE POWERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. SEVERAL OF US INCLUDING MISS ZELMAN WAS ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION. WE DISCUSSED THESE ISSUES. THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE I FOUGHT HARD TO KEEP THIS IN THE CHARTER -- IN THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION THAT THE VOTERS HAVE VOTED ON THREE TIMES. PI AM SUR MINORITY AND MAYBE 6-1 TODAY. TYPICALLY I WILL VOTE FOR SOMETHING EVEN IF I DISAGREE WITH IT BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE PUBLIC HAVE A RIGHT TO VOTE AND WEIGH ON THEIR OPINION. I HOPE LAST TIME THE MAYOR RAN ADDS OF OUR FOUR CHARTER AMOUNTS. AND I THINK THAT THE VOTERS ARE SMART ENOUGH. IN CASE I DIDN'T WANT VOTERS HAVE TO HAVE THE RIGHT -- I DON'T WANT THE VOTERS TO KNOW I AM IN FAVOR OF IT. I WANT THEM TO KNOW THAT I AM AGAINST IT. THE ADDS THAT RAN OF THE LAST CHARTER AMENDMENT THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS A DEVIOUS PLOT. NONE OF THAT IS NECESSARY. I WILL NOT RUN A CAMPAIGN TO THIS. I WOULD LET THE VOTERS READ AND DECIDE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, I HOPE GOING FORWARD, OPEN AND HONEST CONVERSATIONS OF THE CHARTER AND DO IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST TO KEEP THE DIVISION OF POWER. AMERICAN DEMOCRACY IS BASED ON THAT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HURTAK, MIRANDA AND CLENDENIN. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU BEING ABLE TO GET THIS TO US SO QUICKLY. THING GOES A LITTLE TOO FAR. I DO BELIEVE WHAT WE HAVE IN THE CHART SUFFICES. I AM VOTING AGAINST THIS. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET ME SAY THIS. I AM ALL FOR IT GO GOING TO THE VOTERS. LET ME TELL YOU WHY I THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. DO WE REALLY THINK SOMEBODY RENTING AN APARTMENT, THEY ARE LIVING THERE? 100% OF THE TIME. DO YOU THINK THEY MOVE THEIR FAMILY THERE OR JUST THEM? ONE INDIVIDUAL, MAYBE A FAMILY LIVES IN MANATEE COUNTY, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, IN FACT. YOU CAN'T EVEN -- IF YOU LIVE IN HEALTH CARE AND GET A JOB IN THE CITY AS ONE OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS. YOU HAVE TO LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND WE ARE IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY. I AM NOT ARGUING THE FACTS, BUT DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT THAT PERSON LIVES IN COMPANY? WE WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE FACTS. THE FACTS ARE -- MAYBE I AM NOT TOO -- NOT 100% CORRECT. BUT I BELIEVE I AM HALFWAY CORRECT. HOW CAN YOU SAY CAN'T LIVE IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND WORK IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND DON'T HAVE TO BUY ANOTHER HOUSE. IF YOU LIVE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, YOU GOT TO BUY A HOUSE IN TAMPA OR RENT IN TAMPA. WHAT? SOMETHING IS WRONG SOMEWHERE LET THE PUBLIC DECIDE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I WILL GO BACK TO -- JUST KEEP DOING THE SAME THING AND EXPECT DIFFERENT RESULTS. WAIVER AFTER WAIVER AFTER WAIVER, TRYING TO FILL THESE POSITIONS WITH THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST OF PEOPLE. BUT THE BOUNDARIES OF THE CITY OF TAMPA ARE -- IT IS JUST -- NOT CONCISE -- NOT LIKE A JACKSON WHICH IS THE ENTIRE COUNTY. OUR CITY IS LINEAR AND KIND OF ODD. DO WE THINK THAT SOMEBODY THAT LIVES ADJACENT TO RAYMOND JAMES STADIUM TO THE NORTHWEST IS SLIGHTLY OUTSIDE OF THE CITY AND DOESN'T SHARE THE SAME EXPERIENCES THAT SOMEBODY THAT LIVES IN THE OTHER AREA OF THE CITY OF TAMPA AND JUST BECAUSE OF HAPPENSTANCE IN A FORMER MAYOR THAT ANNEXED NEW TAMPA. IS THEIR EXPERIENCE THE SAME AS PEOPLE LIVING IN EAST TAMPA OR SOUTH TAMPA? WE LIVE IN A METROPOLITAN AREA. WE ALL SHARE THE SAME EXPERIENCES. I JUST FIND THAT AS AN EMPLOYER, THE BEST THING TO DO FOR A TAXPAYER AND PEOPLE LIVING IN THE CITY IS TO OPEN UP THE TO BE ABLE TO HIRE THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST FOR VERY KEY POSITIONS. RIGHT NOW IT IS VERY KEY -- OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, POLICE DEPARTMENT. I COULD GO ON. WAIVERS THAT WE GRANT. IS ANYBODY WILLING TO SAY WHY ARE WE GRANTING WAIVERS. EITHER YOU IN OR YOU ARE OUT. LET'S ABOLISH THE WAIVERS. EITHER IN OR OUT. IT JUST SEEMS SILLY TO ME TO CREATE. WE HAVE A CONTROL -- AN ARBITRARY RULE. LET THE VOTER DECIDE TO FIX THE CHARTER. COUNCILMAN CARLSON. I WASN'T ON COUNCIL WHEN YOU DID THIS LAST TIME, BUT IF YOU HAVE -- IF YOU HAVE PROPOSALS FOR CHARTER AMENDMENTS THAT MAKE SENSE AND ARE THE RIGHT THINGS TO DO FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, I WILL BE WILLING TO HEAR THEM OUT AND SUPPORT ADDING THOSE TO BALLOTS. I THINK SOME -- SOME COUNTY INITIATIVES I HEARD IN THE PAST THAT WEREN'T ON COUNCIL I WOULD SUPPORT IT. AND SO IT IS A NEW DAY AND A NEW GROUP OF PEOPLE. IF YOU HAVE GOOD IDEAS -- ALL GOOD IDEAS SHOULD COMFORT AND WE SHOULDN'T SHOOT THEM DOWN BECAUSE OF WHATEVER REASONS WE HAVE THAT ARE NOT IN THE INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE TO LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, CHAIR. INTERESTING ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU -- WHEN YOU WANT YOUR KID TO HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY AT A COLLEGE SCHOLARSHIP, PARENTS WOULD RENT AN APARTMENT IN THE PLANT DISTRICT OR THE JEFFERSON DISTRICT SO THEIR KID COULD PLAY FOOTBALL AT THE RIGHT SCHOOL. WE WANT OUR CHAMPIONSHIP IN 2010. AND WE ALWAYS WENT TO THE PLAYOFFS. PLANT WENT TO THE PLAYOFFS. ARMWOOD. PEOPLE MADE CONCESSIONS TO DO WHAT THEY NEEDED TO DO AND PEOPLE WILL DO THAT. IF THEY HAVE TO RENT AN AN APARTMENT JUST TO KEEP THEIR JOB, I FEEL LIKE THAT IS AN UNNECESSARY STEP. TAMPA HAS CHANGED TO 67. THIS IS ABOUT AFFORDABILITY. THIS IS EXECUTIVE LEVEL HIGH-END JOBS, REALLY ABOUT THE SKILLSETS OF INDIVIDUALS. AND I THINK THE VOTERS CAN MAKE SENSE OF THAT AS WELL. THEY CAN DECIDE THAT IT IS JUST NOT A NECESSARY STEP THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE IT. THE VOTERS CAN DECIDE AND I BELIEVE THEY WILL BE JUST AS UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE TO LIVE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS; HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IT IS IDEA THAT THE MAJORITY OF OUR EXECUTIVE STAFF SHOULD LIVE IN THE CITY. IT IS IDEAL OR RECOMMENDED, BUT SHOULD NOT BE MANDATORY. THEREFORE, THE WAIVER IS, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARY. YOU HAVE TO YOU GIVE IT YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR. SO THAT PEOPLE CAN BE IN COMPLIANCE. IT IS JUST NOT A REQUIREMENT. IT IS REALLY MORE SO OF THE SKILLSETH OF THE INDIVIDUALS AND THAT IS WHAT WE SHOULD FOCUS ON. WHERE THEY LIVE IS NONE OF OUR BUS BUSINESS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: I WILL BE VOTING FOR THIS BECAUSE I HAVE UNIQUE MEMORY OR RECOLLECTION OF THE CHARTER ISSUES FROM A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. REMEMBER THERE IS A CHARTER WORKSHOP SEPTEMBER 22, 2022. CHECK IT OUT. WE CAME HERE TO CITY COUNCIL PREPARED TO DISCUSS CHARTER ISSUES AND WE CHOSE TO CONTINUE IT TO ANOTHER DAY. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE TO CLEAR THE RECORD ON THAT. WHY DO I REMEMBER THAT? ON SEPTEMBER 21 ALREADY I CHECKED IT OUT. MY SON AND I LEFT TOP GO TO WEST PALM BEACH TO SEE KISS ON CONCERT ON WEST PALM BEACH. I REMEMBER THAT WELL. WE SAW KISS. AND IT WAS GREAT CONCERT, BUT I LEFT WEST PALM BEACH AT ABOUT 9:30, I GOT BACK AT MAYBE 2 OR 3:00, AND I GOT UP TO CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE WE HAD -- I REMEMBER THAT DAY WHILE GOING TO SEE KISS IN WEST PALM BEACH GETTING ALL THESE PHONE CALLS ON ALL THESE CHARTER ISSUES AND THAT DAY COUNCIL VOTED TO CONTINUE THAT WORKSHOP. SO, AGAIN, AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE SOMEONE VOTED TO OVERRIDE FIVE VETOES OF THE MAYOR ON CHARTER ISSUES AND GOING BEFORE THE VOTERS. SOME I SUPPORT AND SOME I DON'T. I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS NOT PRESENTED AND STAFF GOT IN THE WAY. STAFF GOT IN THE WAY. COUNCIL CANCELLED THAT WORKSHOP AND I REMEMBER WELL BECAUSE I ROCKED OUT THE NIGHT BEFORE AND ONE OR TWO HOURS OF SLEEP. AND I HEAR THIS WITH UNIQUE RECOLLECTION. I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS. MOVES THIS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND I AM HAPPY TO AMENDMENTS THAT ULTIMATELY WENT BEFORE THE VOTERS. I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS REASONABLE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOTHING PEL COUNCILMAN VIERA, READ ITEM NUMBER 75. >>LUIS VIERA: MOVE AN ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERS RELATING TO THE GOVERNMENT OF CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, SIT IN TOGETHER ELECTIONS OF THE CITY PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO REVISED CHARTER OF CITY OF TAMPA OF 1975, TO AMEND SECTION 6.01 REVISE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS FOR CITY OFFICERS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ROLL CALL VOTE. >>BILL CARLSON: NO. >>LYNN HURTAK: NO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON AND HURTAK VOTING NO. SECOND READING AND ADOPTION JULY 18, 10 A.M., 315 E. KENNEDY BOULEVARD, THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33062. >>CATE WELLS: THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN WE TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE RECESS. WE WILL GO RIGHT TO 76. FIVE-MINUTE RECESS. [GAVEL SOUNDING] [GAVEL SOUNDING] . >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WELCOME BACK. ROLL CALL, PLEASE. >>BILL CARLSON: HERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE. >>CLERK: YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. WIGGINTON, ITEM 7. >> RON WIGGINTON. AND NUMBER6 VERY SLATED TO THE LAND SWAP WHICH WAS ITEM NUMBER 41 AND THE FRAMEWORK OF THI PROJECT AND HAS THE SATISFACTION OF CERTAIN CONDITIONS FOR THIS TRANSACTION TO CLOSE. ONE OF THOSE CONDITIONS IS AMENDING THE 2003 ORDINANCE AS I MENTIONED WHICH VACATED THE TWO RIGHTS-OF-WAY SEEN IN YELLOW. IF I MAY HAVE THE ELMO UP? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, IT IS UP, SIR. >>RON WIGGINTON: NOSE TWO ALLEY WAYS. THE ONE IS A RIGHT-OF-WAY OF HENDERSON. ORIENT YOU, 275. NEBRASKA IS HERE TO THE EAST. 7th AVENUE HERE. AND HENDERSON AVENUE RIGHT THERE. AND DUE TO THE RESULTING DEAD END RIGHT HERE, THE ORDINANCE REQUIRED THAT GTE, OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AT THE TIME TO CONSTRUCT AND I COULD SAY TO THE CITY OF TAMPA THIS NORTH-SOUTH ALLEYWAY, WHICH THEY DID, BUT THE ORDINANCE ALSO REQUIRED THAT A CERTIFICATE OF COMPLIANCE BE EXECUTED BY THE MAYOR, WHICH WE HAVE NO RECORD THAT WAS EVER EXECUTED NOR RECORDED. SO THIS NEW ORDINANCE BASICALLY ACKNOWLEDGES THE COMPLIANCE AND REMOVES THE RIERMENTD FOR A CERTIFICATE OF COMPLIANCE. BUT IT ALSO -- WE ARE ALSO ASKING FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE IT REQUIRED -- SWITCHED OVER TO THIS -- SO THAT 2003 ORDINANCE -- EXCUSE ME IN 2003, GTE OWNED THIS PARCEL RIGHT HERE AND THESE TWO PARCELS RIGHT HERE. THAT WAS REALLY THE IMPETUS OF THE VACATING OF HENDERSON AVENUE AND SO THE ORDINANCE REQUIRED THAT BOTH OF THOSE NORTH AND SOUTH PARCELS BE DEVELOPED TOGETHER UNDER THE ONE SITE PLAN UNFORTUNATELY -- NECESSARILY UNFORTNA HE LOOK BUT GTE CONVEYED THEIR FEE SIMPLE TO BOZ LEGACY. AND THE INTENTION OF WORKS,Z LEGACY TO DEVELOP A MULTIFAMILY MARKET-RATE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING. SO IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THEY NEED TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE AND BASICALLY BIFURCATE THE TWO PARCELS FROM ONE ANOTHER AND NOT HAVE THEM DEPENDENT ON EACH OTHER. THAT WILL BE A SECOND MODIFICATION TO THIS ORDINANCE AND WE ARE GOING BACK TO 2003 AND RECONSTITUTING HENDERSON AVENUE AS IT ONCE WAS IN 2003 AND WE ARE BASICALLY ELIMINATING THE NORTH-SOUTH ALLEYWAY. CITY STAFF HAS REVIEWED IT. AND THEY HAVE NO OBJECTIONS AND WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE APPROVAL OF THIS AMENDMENT TO THE ORDINANCE. I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS? YES, MA'AM. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT IS SO INTERESTING BECAUSE SUCH A WONDERFUL ALLEY. I USE IT ALL THE TIME. I THOUGHT IT WAS A STREET. SO I AM DISCOVERING THAT IT WAS AN ALLEY AT STAFF THIS WEEK. THE -- DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE COMPANY IN QUESTION THAT WANTS TO DEVELOP THIS LAND AT MARKET RATE, THEY WILL ONLY BE ENTITLED TO THAT PARTICULAR STRIP OF ALLEYWAY? >>RON WIGGINTON: YES, WITH THE LAND SWAP AGREEMENT. WE ACQUIRED FROM GTE A PORTION OF THE ALLEY, OTHER BY PLAT. THAT WAS BY SUBDIVISION PLAT. WE GOT THE FEE AND COMBINED AND MADE THAT NORTH-SOUTH ALLEYWAY. WE ALREADY VACATED THE NORTH-SOUTH ALLEYWAY BUT WE STILL HAVE A TRANSPORTATION EASEMENT OVER IT. AND PART OF THE LAND SWAP AGREEMENT, WE WILL BE RELEASING THOSE EASEMENTS IN FAVOR OF A NEW ONE FOR HENDERSON AVENUE AND CONVERTING OUR FEE SIMPLE INTEREST TO BOZ LEGACY SO THEY WILL HAVE THE TWO PARCELS ABUT EACH OTHER RATHER THAN HAVE THE ALLEYWAY IN THE MIDDLE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THE PUBLIC WON'T BE ABLE TO USE IT AGAIN? >>RON WIGGINTON: NO, MA'AM, IT WILL BE CLOSED. >>GWEN HENDERSON: SO THE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND. NO QUESTIONS. >>RON WIGGINTON: THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SO WHAT WE ARE GOING TO GET IS AX EXTENSION OF HENDERSON AVENUE TO THE INTERSTATE. >>RON WIGGINTON: UNDER THE INTERSTATE BE CONNECTING TO CENTRAL AVENUE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY, BEAUTIFUL, THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYTHING ELSE, SIR? ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD MR. WIGGINTON? >>RON WIGGINTON: NO THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A PETITIONER HERE FOR THIS? NO, WE HAVE THE -- >> ALEX SCHALER, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD BUT HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON, SINCE YOUR NAME IS ON IT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES, OF COURSE. BUT FOR THE RECORD, THAT PROPERTY WAS SOMEBODY THAT DEFINITELY DID NOT LOOK LIKE ME. OKAY. FILE NUMBER C 02-26. ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION. ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2003-23 PASSED AND TO ARE DANED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA ON JANUARY 23,2003 WHICH VACATED ROAR CLOSED, DISCONTINUED AND ABEEN A DODD THOSE RIGHTS-OF-WAY IN THE VICINITY OF 711 EAST HENDERSON AVENUE AS FURTHER DESCRIBED BELOW, AMEN ORGANIZE DELETING CERTAIN CONDITIONS PRECEDENT SET FORTH IN SECTION 5 THEREOF IN ORDER TO FACILITATE DEVELOPMENT OF PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO THE VACATED RIGHTS-OF-WAY. REPEALING CONFLICTS, PROVIDE VIDEOING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? >>CLERK: SECOND READING AND ADOPTION JULY 18, 10 A.M., 315 E. KENNEDY, TAMPA, FLORIDA, THIRD FLOOR, 33602. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GO TO STAFF REPORT. ADMINISTRATION UPDATE. MR. HUTCHINSON IS HERE. YOU HAVE A FEW SLIDES TO GO OVER WITH US, SIR? >> YES, GOOD AFTERNOON, JC HUTCHINSON, CONSTRUCTION SERVICES MANAGER, CONSTRUCTION SERVICES DIVISION. WE HAVE A FEW -- WANTED TO BRING FOURTH -- LET'S SEE CAN YOU ALL SEE THAT? THERE YOU GO. SO WE JUST WANT TO BRING FORWARD A FEW IMPROVEMENT WE HAVE BEEN MAKING OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS AND WE WANTED TO SHARE IT WITH CITY COUNCIL A WITH HE TRY FIND BETTER WAYS TO WORK WITH THE PUBLIC DEALING WITH PERMITTING. ON THE FIRST ONE HERE. PERMIT MAP THAT HAS BEEN CREATED TO HELP CITIZENS UNDERSTAND RESIDENTIAL PERMITS. A LOT OF TIMES, WE HAVE HOMEOWNER WHO WANT TO DO THEIR OWN WORK. THEY ARE NOT SURE WHAT KIND OF PERMIT AND HOW TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. BEFORE THEY GO TO ACELA AND FALL IN THAT RABBIT HOLE. SOMETHING A LITTLE EASY ANOTHER NAVIGATE AND GO THROUGH. PERMITIT.GOV, GET THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED, ZONING AND REGARDLESS IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU CAN GO THROUGH THERE. WHEN WE GO TO THE OFFICE, WE HAVE A RECORD OF THIS INFORMATION. YOU SIGNED UP FOR IT. HEY, WE CAN GIVE YOU THIS INFORMATION AND FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THAT. A WAY TO HELP THE HOMEOWNERS. WE WANTED TO FIND WAYS TO UNDERSTAND THE PERMITTING PROCESS. WE DON'T WANT TO PULL AN ALTERATION WHEN IT SHOULD BE AN ADDITION. MAKE SURE THEY ARE PAYING THE RIGHT AMOUNT AND PULLING THE RIGHT PERMITS AND THE INSPECTOR GOES OUT AND SAYS THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT PERMIT AND HAVING TO START OVER. WE WANT TO STREAMLINE THAT AS BEST AS POSSIBLE. THAT IS ACTIVE NOW. OUR SECOND THING IS OUR TEXT TO INSPECT. I HAVE A FEW OF THESE SO ANOTHER BARRIER WE RECOGNIZED. DEALING WITH CONTRACTORS AND STAFF ON-SITE, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY ALWAYS HAVE ACCESS TO ACELA. EVERYONE WITH THEIR OWN CELL PHONE -- EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OWN CELL PHONE. TEXT IN THOSE INSPECTION SO AS YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THR THROUGH ACELA OR THAT PROCESS AND COORDINATES WITH ACELA AND ONE LAST STEP YOU HAVE TO DO. YOU HAVE THE BROCHURE GOING OUT TO 450 GENERAL CONTRACTORS OR THE SUBCONTRACTORS SO THEY ARE AWARE OF THE NEW PROGRAM. LITERALLY ALL YOU DO IS TEXT THAT. NO COST. NO ADDITIONAL COST AND START TEXTING TO 80 5-AND ASK FOR YOUR RECORD NUMBER AND WHAT TYPE OF INSPECTION WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO. CONFIRMS THAT INSPECTION, AND YOU GET THAT TEXT. ONCE THAT IS CONFIRMED, THAT INSPECTION IS CONFIRMED AND GOES INTO THE SYSTEM. ONCE STAFF GETS ON AND SAYS THIS FAILED OR THIS PASSED. YOU GET A TEXT MESSAGE BACK SAYING THIS INSPECTION PASSED OR FAILED. YOU ARE BEING CAUGHT IN LINE WITH THE PROCESS AS IT IS GOING THROUGH. LASTLY, ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS TRY TO MAXIMIZE SPACES AND OPPORTUNITIES WORK TOGETHER WITH CITIZENS ESPECIALLY WHEN WE ARE DEALING WITH CODE COMPLIANCE. SO WE HAVE TRANSITION ED THE CHAPTER 5, 19 AND 27 CODE COMPLIANCE HEARINGS. A, PROVIDES MOST PEOPLE THE COMPLEMENT OF BETTER PARKING ACCESS. IF THEY HAVE A QUESTION, WE HAVE MORE STAFF THAT IS AVAILABLE BECAUSE THE STAFF COMES DOWNSTAIRS TO HELP WITH THE PROCESSES AND TRY TO HELP THEM BETTER. TWO, IF THEY NEED A PERMIT THEY CAN WALK UP THE STAIRS FROM THE FIRST FLOOR TO THE SECOND FLOOR AND GIVE THEM THE ASSISTANCE THEY NEED. ONCE WE GET TO NEXT MONTH, THE INTENT IS TO MOVE THE HEARINGS FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT VIA THE FIRST AND SECOND AND CONSTRUCTION WILL COMPLIANCE TO BE THE THIRD AND FOURTH. RIGHT NOW WE ARE HALF DAYING IT AND EVERY OTHER WEEK AND KIND OF SCATTERED. IF HE A FULL DAY, WE CAN GET MORE DONE, SHORTEN THE PROJECTS AND SHORTEN THE TIMELINE FOR COMPLIANCE. LIKE I SAID RIGHT AT THE BOTTOM, WE ARE HANDLING 40 TO 50 CASES RIGHT NOW WE CAN ONLY HANDLE 20 EVERY OTHER WEEK TO WORK INTO THE SCHEDULES AND USING CURRENT CITY HALL. OBVIOUSLY IN THESE CHAMBER ARE NO NOW THAT WE HAVE THAT ROOM, A BIGGER TIME FRAME TO WORK AND GET THOSE PROJECTS INTO COMPLIANCE. THAT IS ALL I HAVE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOUY THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR, WE APPRECIATE IT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THIS IS A GOOD JOB. I DO WANT TO SAY THAT. THIS IS GOOD MANISCALCO A GREAT BROCHURE. IT IS VERY CLEAR. NEXT UP, WE WILL HEAR ITEM 78 AND 80 TOGETHER. AND THEN 79. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS WILL TAKE SEPARATE VOTES. >>GWEN HENDERSON: SEPARATE VOTES. >>VIK BHIDE: THANK YOU, AFTERNOON CHAIR AND COUNCIL. VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY DEPARTMENT HERE TO SPEAK TO THE FIRST HEAR ON ITEMS 78 AND 80. THIS IS RELATED TO THE WEST RIVER WALK. THE FORMAL TITLE FOR WHICH IS TAMPA MULTIMODAL NETWORK AND SAFETY IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. THAT IS HOW IT WAS SUBMITTED TO FEDERAL ROADWAY FOR A GRANT. SPECIFICALLY WHAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY IS A HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF A CONTRACT THAT IS BEING PROPOSED TO BE AWARDED TO THE HASKELL COMPANY IN THE AMOUNT OF $56.9 MORE OR LESS MILLION DOLLARS. QUICK BACKGROUND ON THIS PROJECT. THE -- THE PROJECT WAS CONCEIVED IN LATE 2019. IT WAS CONCEIVED ON THE BACK OF -- OR EARLY 2020. RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME OUT OF THE VARIOUS COMMITTEES THAT WERE FORMED BY THE MAYOR AS PART OF TRANSFORMING TOMORROW. PARKS AND MOBILITY WORK ON MULTIBENEFIT PROJECTS. THIS IS ONE OF AN EXAMPLE OF MULTIBENEFIT PROJECTS. ONCE THE PROJECT WAS CONCEIVED, WE DID APPLY FOR FEDERAL FUND FUNDING. AND FEDERAL FUNDING AND COUNCIL APPROVED JULY 14, 2022 IN THE AMOUNT OF $24 MILLION. AT THE TIME OF CONCEPTION AND BASED ON OUR INITIAL ESTIMATES, BOTH AS REFLECTED IN OUR ORIGINAL GRANT DOCUMENT, AS WELL AS OUR EFFORTS WITH OUR CONSULTANTS REPORTING ON THIS. OUR ESTIMATE IS $30 MILLION. WE ASK FOR 24 MILLION AND 6 MILLION COMING AS A LOCAL MATCH FROM OUR CIPs TOWARD THE SAME. OF COURSE, THIS WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE PANDEMIC. AND THE PANDEMIC HIT. WE HAD SIGNIFICANT PRICE ESCALATIONS. WE STILL HAVE BEEN IN THAT SCENARIO. NOTHING ABSCOPE OF THE PROJECT S CHANGED AND TOUCH ON THE PROJECT ITSELF IN A SECOND. OUR FIRST ESTIMATE WAS $30 MILLION. OUR SECOND ESTIMATE CONCEPT OF 2021 WAS $42 MILLION. AND THE ACTUAL BID -- THE INITIAL BID FROM FROM THE CONTRACTOR, THE LOW BID CAME OUT AT 47 MILLION. ONCE WE HAD THAT INITIAL BID AFTER COUNCIL APPROVED A GRANT, WE SUBMITTED THAT TO FEDERAL HIGHWAY FOR CONSIDERATION. FEDERAL HIGHWAY TO -- ABOUT SEVEN MONTHS, EIGHT MONTHS TO GET BACK TO US OF WHICH TIME, THE CONTRACTOR HAD TO RECONSIDER THEIR PRICING. ALL BECAUSE OF INFLATION AND MATERIALS AND ALL OF THAT GOING ON UP. BUT ALSO BECAUSE THE CONTRACT HER TO KEEP THE TEAM AND RESOURCES IN PLACE FOR THE COPE OF WORK FOR THAT. AND WITH THE AMOUNT OF WORK OUT IN THE MARKET SOMETIME MONEY LITERALLY AND PRICE DID GO UP FROM YOU THAT INITIAL 47. AND TO CLARIFY, IT WAS 47 PLUS $5 MILLION CONTINGENCY 52. GONE UP TO 57 ALMOST AND THAT WAS AN INCREASE OF $4 MILLION RIGHT THERE. BECAUSE OF THAT INCREASE WE HAD TO GO BACK FEDERAL HIGHWAY AND INFORM THEM THAT THE PRICE HAS CHANGED. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THEY HAVE TO APPROVE. THAT TOOK A LITTLE BIT LONGER AS WELL. THEY CAME BACK TO US. GAVE THAT APPROVAL. AND THAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU. THAT AMENDMENT 1 TO RATIFY THE PRICE FROM THE CONTRACTOR WHICH IS ITEM 79. YOU WILL FIND THAT SEPARATELY. STICKING TO 78 AND 80. SO THIS PROJECT IS IN ESSENCE ACTIVATING THE WATERFRONT IN WEST TAMPA MAINLY. BUT ALSO IMPACTS A SLEW OF OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS INCLUDING OLD WEST COMPANY, WEST RIVERFRONT, RI RIDGEWOOD. AND AND ALONG AROUND THAT PROJECT BRINGS ALL OF THESE ELEMENTS TOGETHER AND PROPOSE TODAY ACT THE RIVERFRONT. AND COMMUNITY NORTH OF THE INTERSTATE ALL THE WAY TO COLUMBUS. AND THIS IS A CONNECTOR PROJECT. I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT. THIS PROJECT WAS NOT CONCEIVED IN ISOLATION. THIS HAS A LOT OF ALIGNMENT WHERE MOVES. AND A LOT OF ALIGNMENT WITH SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCE, BUT JUST LOOKING AT THE NETWORK. THIS CONNECTOR PROJECT BRINGS TOGETHER BALLAST POINT TO WEST TAMPA AND DOWN TO YBOR. WEST TAMPA ALL THE WAY TO THE HEIGHTS WITH THE HIGHLIGHTS PROJECT THAT FDOT HAD ON FLORIDA AND TAMPA STREETS. AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT ALL OF THE CONNECTION IT IS PROVIDED THAT IS CENTRAL TO THE CONNECTIVITY. THERE ARE MANY BENEFITS TO THIS PROJECT, CERTAINLY, AND IT IS A VALUABLE PROJECT. I WILL THE LIST LIST A FEW OF THEM. I DID MENTION THIS WAS A CONNECTOR IN A COORDINATED SET OF PROJECTS. OUR MOBILITY PLAN THAT WAS RELIEVED LAST YEAR, THE MOVES PLAN. IT SETS CERTAIN GOALS IN PLACE FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS. ONE OF THEM IS TO REDUCE VMT, VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED OVERALL. A PROJECT LIKE THIS THAT CREATES CAR-FREE INFRASTRUCTURE SUPPORTS THAT GOAL. VISION ZERO. SAFETY. SEPARATED FACILITIES THAT DON'T INTERACT WITH VEHICLES AT ALL ARE INHERENTLY SAFE FOR VULNERABLE ROADWAY USERS SO TO THAT END, THIS SIGNIFICANTLY BOOSTS OUR VISION ZERO GOALS AND SAFETY. PROMOTES WALKING, BIKING AND TRANSIT WHICH IS ANOTHER ONE OF OUR GOALS ALONG WITH REDUCTION OF VMP. AND THAT GOAL IS TO IMPROVE AND INCREASE ACTIVE TRAPPING IN TRANSIT. IN FACT, 80% OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WE SURVEYED AS PART OF A PLANNING EFFORT REFLECTED THIS DESIRE. AND THAT PROJECT DOES THAT. AND BRINGS TOGETHER DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS. IT REDUCES CONGESTION. EVERY COMMUTER THAT CHOOSES TO USE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION OR TRANSIT IS ONE LESS CAR ON THE ROAD AND REDUCES CONGESTION. IT -- IT PROMOTES STATE OF GOOD REPAIR AS WELL. THE SURFACE STREET ELEMENTS OF THIS PROJECT IS NOT NEW INFRASTRUCTURE. DO PROMOTE STATE OF GOOD REPAIR. AND CONSISTENT WITH THE INVEST GOAL OF THE MOVES PLAN. AND MORE OF THE INVEST GOAL IN A SECOND. IT CREATES PLACEMAKING AND IMPROVE QUALITY OF LIFE. WALK-BIKE TAMPA SHARED A REPORT FROM ULI FROM 2017 THAT MORE OR LESS PROVIDES SEVERAL EXAMPLES OF SIMILAR PLACEMAKING EFFORTS THAT HAVE BOOSTED QUALITY OF LIFE AND PROPERTY VALUES ALONG ITS ALIGNMENT. AND, OF COURSE WE HAVE A LARGE TEAM OF BOTH PARKS AND TRANSPORTATION TEAM MEMBERS THAT WORK ON THIS PROJECT. JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT AND CALL THEM OUT FOR THEIR EFFORTS. THE LIVING SHORELINES COMPONENT AND THE ACTIVATION OF THE RIVER COMPONENT ITSELF PROMOTES SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCE. THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BENEFITS OF THE RIVER WALK ARE WELL ESTABLISHED BY THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP, BY FRIENDS OF THE RIVERWALK, AND BY SEVERAL OTHER GROUPS NATIONWIDE AND CERTAINLY THAT IS NOT MY AREA OF EXPERTISE. BUT WE HAVE SEEN SIGNIFICANT GROWTH RESULT OF THE RIVER WALK ALSO. YOU HEARD FROM THE CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY COMMITTEE EARLIER TODAY, AND THEY MENTIONED THE WEST RIVER WALK AS WELL AS A PRIORITY. AND THEN I WANTED TO TOUCH UPON THE BUDGET ITSELF. I KNOW THERE IS A CONCERN WITH THE COST OF THE PRINCE GEORGE AND HOW MUCH WE MAY NEED TO BOND. CONSIDERING THIS CONTRACT, WHICH IS UP FOR APPROVAL IN JULY OR ON JULY 18. TODAY IS THE FIRST HEARING ONLY. IT IS IMPLICIT THAT IT WILL BE FOLLOWED BY SOME SORT OF BOND ISSUANCE. AS A DEPARTMENT. AS A TEAM, WE COMMIT TO YOU AS WE HAVE BEEN SUCCESS ENVELOPE THE PAST, WE WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING STATE, LOCK, C RSHGRA AND FEDERF COURSE. AND THEN WORK WITH OUR REPRESENTATIVES BOTH AT THE STATE AND FEDERAL LEVELS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BURDEN ON THE CITY IS AS LOW AS POSSIBLE. A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDING STILL ON THE TABLE FROM THE BIPARTISAN INFRASTRUCTURE LAW. AND WE HAVE A VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH A LOT OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE CLEARINGHOUSES FOR THAT FUNDING. SO THIS IS BY NO MEANS IS THE END OF OUR LOOKING FOR FINANCES TO AUGMENT THIS PROJECT I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE COST INCREASE -- TO THE EXTENT WE CAN USE THE WORD "INCREASE" IS CONSISTENT WITH EVERY OTHER AGENCY THAT DOES LARGE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS IN THE TAMPA BAY AREA AND THE STATE OF FLORIDA. THEA, FDOT, THE COUNTY, HAVE ALL SEEN SIGNIFICANT INCREASES RELATIVE TO THEIR ESTIMATES FOR PROJECTS THAT WERE FOUR YEARS LATER. SO THIS IS NOT OUTSIDE OF THAT MARGIN OF ERROR, ALTHOUGH IT IS A HIGHER COST THAN THE NUMBER WE FIRST ESTIMATED IN 2020. AND FINALLY, I WILL CLOSE WITH THIS. THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF MEANS. WE HAVE PAVING NEEDS. WE HAVE SIDEWALK NEEDS. THOSE NEEDS ARE CRITICAL AND MUST BE ADDRESSED. THOSE NEEDS ARE ALSO COSTS MEANING THOSE ARE MAINTENANCE NEEDS FOR EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE. RAPIDLY FORECAST CITY. AND WE WILL HAVE TO CONSIDER INVESTMENTS AS WELL. NEW INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WILL GIVE BACK MUCH HIGHER RETURNS AND THIS PROJECT IS ONE SUCH EXAMPLE OF INVESTMENTS. SO, YES, THERE IS A HIGH COST TO IT, BUT IT IS ALSO AN INVESTMENT. AND IT HITS UPON MANY OF THE GOALS THAT WE ALL SHARE RELATIVE TO SAFETY, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND AFFORDABLE MOBILITY AND EQUITY BRINGING NEIGHBORHOODS THAT OTHERWISE DON'T HAVE THE ACCESS INTO THE FOLD OF ALL THE ACTION THAT IS HAPPENING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE RIVER. WITH THAT, I AM JOINED BY OUR CFO DENNIS. LEGAL JUSTIN VASKE AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS OR PROVIDE ANY CLARIFICATION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP EQUITY WEST TAMPA IS AN AREA NEGLECTED AND INFRASTRUCTURE IN OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY AND A LOT OF ATTENTION BUT NOT THE SQUEAKY WHEEL FOR THE MOST PART. WE HAD SOME EXCITING THINGS HAPPENED THERE RECENTLY, BUT THIS WILL BE DEFINITELY TRANSFORMATIONAL NOT ONLY FOR WEST TAMPA BUT THE ENTIRE CITY OF TAMPA AS WE DOUBLE DOWN ON A GOOD THING. LIKE WE TALK OF STREETCAR EXPANSIONS DOUBLING DOWN ON THE GOOD THING. RIVERWALK EXCEEDED EVERYBODY'S EXPECTATION AS FAR AS THE PEOPLE IN CITY OF TAMPA, ONE, UTILIZING IT. UTILIZING IT FOR RECREATION. AND ALSO FOR ALTERNATE FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION. NORTH-SOUTH CORRIDOR FOR PEOPLE TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B AND EXPAND ON THE WEST SIDE. A COUPLE OF POINTS AND I ALREADY EXPRESSED THIS TO YOU. I WAS CONCERNED OF THE ONE SEGMENT RELATED AND HOE WE GET THROUGH THAT ON THE SOUTH OF KENNEDY. AND HOW THAT -- THAT WILL BE A HUGE GAPING HOLE IN THAT DEVELOPMENT. DO WE KNOW WHEN THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT EXPIRES? >>VIK BHIDE: I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE, BUT I CAN CHECK. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY. >>VIK BHIDE: LIKE TO CLARIFY UNDER THE -- UNDER THE TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT RELATED FOR THE TOWERS THAT ARE GOING AROUND THE GRAND CENTRAL AREA -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PROPOSED. >>VIK BHIDE: YES THERE ARE THEY THEY ARE REQUIRED TO BUILD THE RIVERWALK. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PEOPLE NOT PRIVY TO YOUR AND MY CONVERSATION. WE CREATED A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ON A PROPOSED TOWER THAT THEY COMPLETE THAT PORTION OF THE RIVERWALK, BUT NO -- AS FAR AS I KNOW, TO DEADLINE REQUIRING THEM TO START CONSTRUCTION OR, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD SIT -- THAT PIECE OF THE RIVERWALK COULD BE EMPTY OR VACANT FOR YEARS IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO ACT ON THAT DEVELOPMENT. I AM KIND OF WORRIED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT AND WOULD LIKE TO GET MORE ANSWERS TO THAT, HOW WE GET AROUND AND THROUGH THAT. SECONDLY, AS I ALLUDED TO THIS MORNING, IT IS GOING TO BE MY -- AND MY INTENT DURING THE CRA MEETING FOR A CONTRIBUTION FROM THE WEST TAMPA CRA AND MONEY THERE. THIS IS CLEARLY IN THE SCOPE OF WHAT CRA FUNDING WILL BE AND I HAVE SPOKEN TO FOLKS WITH THE CAC AND OTHER KEY FIGURES THERE. AND THE WEST TAMPA CRT IS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT. AND MY INITIAL PROPOSAL -- OF COURSE THIS IS NOT WRITTEN IN STONE THAT WE GET FIVE MILLION OUT OF THE CURRENT FISCAL THREE AT THE NEXT AND TWO AT THE NEXT FOR A TOTAL OF TEN OVER THREE YEARS OUT OF -- OUT OF THE CRA. THE REASON WHY, TO MENMIZE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE HAVE TO BOND. NOT THAT WE HAVE EXTRA MONEY TO SPEND, BUT TO MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE WOULD HAVE TO BOND AT THESE HIGH INTEREST RATES SIMILAR TO WHERE WE ARE AT TODAY. I THINK THAT -- THAT IS ACTUALLY A REASONABLE WAY TO MITIGATE THE COST TO THE TAXPAYERS AND, AGAIN, USE THE CRA FUNDS AND ARE AVAILABLE TO US FOR THE PURPOSE OF THEIR INTENDED ANTICIPATED GROWTH. BECAUSE THIS WILL ALLOW CONNECTIVITY IN SO MANY WAYS THAT INCLUDES A PUBLIX, GROCERY STORES. A LOT OF THINGS WILL BE HAPPENING OVER THERE. IT WILL BE TRANSFORMATIONAL. >>VIK BHIDE: ON THAT POINT, WE HAVE MADE A CAN TO THE CRAS. I HAVE BEEN IN CONVERSATION BRIEFLY WITH THE CRA DIRECTOR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THIS ISN'T THE CRA, WE ARE WEARING DIFFERENT HATS. CAC -- MAYBE THE CAC AND THE DIRECTOR MANY. >>VIK BHIDE: AT THE STAFF LEVEL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE NOT HEARD THAT YET. I THINK THAT IS REASONABLE THING. HOPEFULLY THAT WILL MITIGATE. IF WE CAN FIND WAYS TO COST SAVE. AND IN REFERENCE TO THAT, WHY DESIGN-BUILD INSTEAD OF DESIGN CONTRACT? WHY WAS THAT -- >>VIK BHIDE: SO, A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE IS THE DESIGN-BUILD CONTRACT CAN STILL HAVE THE ELEMENTS OF DESIGN TO BE REVIEWED BEFORE IT GOES TO CONSTRUCTION, AT LEAST SUBSTANTIALLY. THE OTHER IS GENERALLY THE THOUGHT IS THAT DESIGN-BUILD CONTRACTS ARE MUCH EASIER TO EXECUTE BECAUSE YOU HAVE ALL THE PLAYERS THAT ARE -- THAT ARE UNDER ONE CONTRACT UNDER ONE TEAM AND THERE IS NOT ENOUGH FINGER POINTING FROM ONE TO THE OTHER AND ALSO SCHEDULED BENEFITS. USUAL LIE SCHEDULED BENEFITS TO DESIGN-BUILD PRIMARILY BECAUSE YOU COULD COMMENCE DESIGN ON CERTAIN ELEMENTS WHILE YOU COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION OR OTHERS THAT MIGHT BE SIMPLER. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DID HASKELL DO THE EXISTING WALL? >> THEY DID NOT. HAS KELL HAS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT WAS BEFORE MY TIME SO I DIDN'T KNOW. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: I AM SURE I AM GOING TO BE IN THE MINORITY TODAY, BUT I AM GOING TO PROUDLY VOTE NO FOR THIS. THANK YOU, VIK, FOR AN EXCELLENT PRESENTATION. YOU ARE PASSIONATE OF ALL THE ASPECTS YOU ARE DOING AND EXCELLENT WITH CONSTITUENT AND HELPING CONSTITUENTS AND ALSO THANK YOU FOR ALL THE FOLKS WHO FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS AND E-MAILED US AND CALLED US YESTERDAY. SOME VERY POWERFUL NAMES ON THERE THAT SUDDENLY FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS, AND I TOLD THEM UNFORTUNATELY I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH THEM. EVERYBODY -- I RESPECT ALL OPINIONS OF THE FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT -- BUT I HAVE TO -- AS I SAID, I HAVE TO VOTE NO. HERE IS THE THING. IF WE WERE TWO YEARS AGO AND THE PROJECT WAS $30 MILLION AND WE WERE PAYING $6 MILLION. I WOULD MAKE THE MOTION TO SUPPORT THIS. I WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE IN FAVOR OF THIS. I AM NOT AGAINST THE RIVERWALK. I AM IN FAVOR OF A WESTERN RIVERWALK. BUT I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF SPENDING THIS MUCH MONEY ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE TO BOND IT. I AM AGAINST ANY MORE BONDING. AND WILL VOTE AGAINST ANY KIND OF BONDING. A BOND SOMETHING NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR A TAX INCREASE. AND WE ARE WAY PAST THE LIMITS OF WHAT WE SHOULD BE BONDING AND CAN'T SPEND IT ON THINGS THAT ARE NICE TO HAVE INSTEAD OF THINGS THAT WE NEED. ONE OF THE THINGS I REALLY OBJECT TO THE COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT PUTTING OUT THE COMMUNICATION SAYING THAT BILLIONS OF INVESTMENT WAS INVESTED. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY FALSE. I WENT TO GRADUATE SCHOOL TO LOOK AT ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDIES AND I KNOW THOSE PROPERTIES WELL ALONG THE RIVER. NONE OF THEM, NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM WAS BUILT BECAUSE OF THE RIVERWALK. THEY ALL USE THE RIVERWALK AS AN AMENITY LIKE THEY USE THE RIVER AS AN AMENITY. RIVERWALK IS OUTSTANDING AND WON ALL KIND OF AWARDS. PEOPLE LOVE IT. THANK YOU FOR KATHY CASTOR FOR BRINGING IN THE MONEY AND BILL POE FOR HIS VISION TO CREATE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE, NOT THE REASON THOSE BUILDINGS WENT THERE. PEOPLE TRYING TO BUILD BUILDINGS ON THE WATERFRONT FOR DECADES. NOT BECAUSE OF THE RIVERWALK. THE RIVERWALK, IN FACT, COST THEM MORE. ON THE AER TOWER WE HAD TO PUT IN CRA MONEY. STRAZ CENTER AND THE TAMPA MUSEUM OF ART PUTS IN MORE. A GREAT AMENITY BUT DID NOT GENERATE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND WE SHOULD NOT SAY THAT. IF SOMEBODY'S ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDY SAYS THAT, IT IS FALSE AND I AM HOPE TO LOOK AT THAT AND TELL YWHY. THE NOT JUST THE CAPITAL. TOILET TO TAP. BACK OF THE NAPKIN SAYS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 80 MILLION TO 100 MILLION. TAKE $28 MACHINE AND BOND IT IN TODAY'S RATES BETWEEN 25 AND 28 MILLION IN INTEREST. WE HAVEN'T INCLUDED O &M AND OVERAVERAGE, HANNA AVENUE AND FAIR OAKS THAT GO OVER BUDGET YOU ADD ALL OF THAT IN CLOSE TO $100 MILLION. NOT $50 MILLION, BUT MORE HIKE A $100 MILLION. THIS IS NOT WEST TAMPA. IT IS TOUCHING WEST TAMPA. TEN YEARS AGO LOOK AT THE PLAN. THE RIVER WAS THE CENTER OF DOWNTOWN NOT THE WESTERN BORDER. THIS IS A DOWNTOWN PROJECT. ALWAYS CONCEIVED AS A DOWNTOWN PROJECT. MAYBE WE ARE CHANGING IT, BUT THE PEOPLE I TALK TO IN DOWNTOWN TAMPA SEE IT AS A DOWNTOWN PROJECT NOT IN TAMPA. IF THEY HAVE A CHOICE, THINK WOULD TRY OTHER THING SIDEWALKS FIXED. THEY SEE THIS AS BEING A VALUE BUT THEY WANT THEIR COMMUNITY FIXED THE OTHER THICK IS WE STILL DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE OF WHAT THE TOTAL BONDING. SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS AGO. I GUESS WE ARE UP TO AROUND 70%. ONE FOR ENTERPRISE AND ONE FOR GENERAL FUND, AND WE HAVE TO BE WAY UP THERE BY NOW. REGARDING THE CRA, THE FOLKS I TALKED TO AROUND THE CAC ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS. THEY FEEL LIKE THEY ARE BEING PRESSURED BY THE ADMINISTRATION. I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A ROBUST DISCUSSION WITH FOLKS TO SEE IF THEY WANT IT OR NOT. WHAT THE COMMUNITY REALLY WANTS. FOLKS ARE NOT ALONG THE RIVERFRONT WANT OTHER THINGS AND THEY DESPERATELY -- NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT ON MAIN STREET. NONE OF THAT HAPPENED. THROUGH THE CRA, PROPOSED A RIVERWALK EXTENSION FROM THE AQUARIUM NORTH TO ADAMO, NONE OF THAT HAPPENED. WHY A PRIORITY COMPARED TO EVERYTHING ELSE. LASTLY, WE HEARD THAT TPD NEEDS 30 POSITIONS AND 30 IN DROP AND NEED NEW TECHNOLOGY. FOR PAVING, NEED $42 MILLION A YEAR. SIDEWALKS, $1.3 BILLION. FOR SEAWALLS, $20 MILLION. FOR BRIDGES, WE NEED $32 MILLION. THAT IS JUST THE START. WHY ARE WE INVESTING IN SOMETHING NEW WHEN WE CAN'T AFFORD TO FIX THE THINGS WE HAVE. THE FOLKS IN OUR COMMUNITY WANT THE BASICS, SIDEWALKS AND THEIR ROADS REPAIRED. THIS MONEY IS NOT CRA MONEY. THEY CAN BE USED FOR THAT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA -- >>VIK BHIDE: IF I PROVIDE A QUICK RESPONSE. THOSE ARE FAIR POINTS. I THINK TO THE QUESTION OF WHY DO WE FOCUS ON THIS PROJECT AND NOT OTHERS? I WOULD SAY WE FOCUS ON ALL OF THOSE NEEDS. AND WHEN THIS PROJECT WAS CONCEIVED, WE HAVE JUST STARTED DOING WORK TOWARD THE PLAN AT THE SAME TIME. JUST ADOPTED VISION ZERO AS WELL. ALL OF THOSE NEEDS INCLUDING MAINTENANCE WAS CONSIDERED. NOT AN EITHER-OR AS MUCH AS THE CITY. WE REALLY NEED A LOT OF THINGS AND SOME CATCHING UP TO DO AND INVESTING TO DO AS WELL FROM AN INFRASTRUCTURE STANDPOINT. I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. ROGER. >>DENNIS ROGERO: I DIDN'T KNOW IF NOW WAS A GOOD TIME, BUT I HAVE ANSWERS REGARDING COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S QUESTIONS. I CAN DO THAT LATER OR DO THAT NOW AT COUNCIL'S PLEASURE. I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT ANYTHING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THE ANSWERS. >>GWEN HENDERSON: CAN I JUST ASK ONE QUESTION TO HIM ABOUT -- I HAVE A QUESTION -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET'S HEAR WHAT HE HAS TO SAY. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I DON'T WANT TO WAIT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. AND COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. >>LYNN HURTAK: MR. MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SORRY -- >>LYNN HURTAK: I MEAN SO I GUESS MR. ROGERO WILL HAVE TO TAKE SOME NOTES. >>DENNIS ROGERO: I CAN DO THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: FIRST QUESTION FOR VIK, DID YOU ASK THE FEDS OF GETTING MORE MONEY OR CHANGE THE SCOPE ONCE YOU UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE AS SOON AS. >>VIK BHIDE: YES. AND PER THE GUIDELINES OF THE GRANT ITSELF, WE CAN NOT CHANGE THE SCOPE. AND PER THE GUIDELINES OF THE GRANT ITSELF, WE CAN NOT ASK FOR ANY MORE MONIES UNDER THE CURRENT GRANT AGREEMENTS. WHICH IS ANY SPECIFIED THAT THERE IS A LOT OF FEDERAL FUNDS OUT THERE AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS AS WELL, SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO FOCUS ON -- ON GETTING EXTERNAL FUNDING TO AUGMENT WHAT WE HAVE HERE. BUT TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE IN TERMS OF THIS CONTRACT BEING ABLE TO HONOR THE COSTS THAT EXIST. THOSE COSTS AND THE OPPORTUNITY. BECAUSE THIS CONTRACTOR DOES HAVE CONSULTANTS AND SUBCONTRACTORS ON STANDBY THAT ARE COMMITTED TO DO THIS WORK. IF THAT WORK DOES NOT COMMENCE SOON, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO HOLD ON TO THEM AND BACK TO SQUARE ONE LIKE WE WERE WITH THE AMENDMENT ONE ISSUE WHICH WILL BE THE NEXT ITEM, 79. >>LYNN HURTAK: MY UNDERSTANDING, YOU HAVE KNOWN THIS FOR SEVERAL MONTHS. WHY HAVEN'T YOU STARTED LOOKING FOR EXTRA FUNDING SOURCES IN THAT TIME. WE HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT IT BEFORE. >>VIK BHIDE: SO WE HAVE. WE JUST HAVEN'T HAD ANY OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY ADVERTISED, BUT WE ARE ABSOLUTELY WORKING THROUGH -- FOR EXAMPLE, WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. PART OF THE REGIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS. IT IS WELL WITHIN THE AREA AND THE ACTION AS WELL. WE CAN CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE STATE ON THIS AS WELL. BUT WE ARE DEALING WITH A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT FEDERAL GRANTS RIGHT NOW AND WORKING THROUGH ALL OF THEM AND FEDERAL FUNDING IS CONNECTED. SO ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS NOT HAVING TO -- FOR THE LACK OF A BETTER WORD -- AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL COME UP JULY 18 NOT HAVING TO RETURN FEDERAL FUNDS RATHER TO LOOK AND AUGMENT WHAT FUNDS WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. >>LYNN HURTAK: ADDITIONALLY, I WENT AHEAD AND LOOKED AT THE RFP. AND THERE IS A BUNCH OF STUFF. SEE WHEN I -- IF THIS WAS MY HOUSE AND I KNEW I HAD $100,000 MONEY FROM MY LAST HOUSE TO BUILD A NEW HOUSE. INSTEAD OF THIS $50 MILLION -- IF I HAD $100,000 AND PLANNED TO PUT $50,000 INTO IT. I AM GOING TO HAVE TO START TO LOOK AT THE PLAN AND SAY I HAVE GOT TO TAKE THIS OFF AND THIS OFF. LOOKING AT THE RFP. ACCELERATED SCHEDULE EIGHT MONTH OUT. WE DON'T NEED TO ACCELERATE. ART ON THE BLOCK. WE CAN TAKE ART OUT AND ADD IT BACK WHEN WE HAV MONEY. WE CAN TAKE OUT THE RIVERWALK PUBLIC MOMENT. W HAVE TWO PUBLIC MOMENTS JUST LIKE SPOTS THAT WILL JUST COST US MONEY. A THREE-SIDED PILE SUPPORTED PEDESTRIAN OVERLOOK. WE CAN TAKE THAT OUT RIGHT NOW. NONE OF THAT IS PART OF THE GRANT. THAT IS KIND OF AN ADDITION. AN INTERACTIVE EDUCATIONAL ITEM THAT GOES ON WITH THE LIVING SHORELINES. A LOT OF STUFF IN HERE THAT WE CAN TAKE OUT FOR NOW AND ADD BACK WHEN WE HAVE MONEY THAT IS NOT PART OF THE SCOPE OF WORK AS I READ THE SCOPE OF WORK. >>VIK BHIDE: IF I CAN ADDRESS THAT. SOME OF THE ELEMENTS THAT YOU MENTIONED -- AND I DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS ON ALL OF THEM -- BUT SOME OF THEM ARE NOT MANDATORY ELEMENTS. THOSE ARE OPTIONAL ELEMENTS. AND SO THEY ARE LIKELY OFF THE TABLE ALREADY SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE VIEWING AREA THAT WAS PART OF ONE OF THE RENDERINGS THAT WAS RIGHT BY PLATT AND BAYSHORE AND NORTH OF IT, THAT WILL NOT HA HAPPEN. ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT YOU LIST READY MOST LIKELY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AND WILL TAKE AN INCREMENTAL APPROACH WITH THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS THE ISSUE GIVEN US THE SCOPE OF WORK AND GIVEN US THE RFP. NOW YOU ARE SAYING SOME OF THIS WON'T HAPPEN. SO IT IS REALLY HARD TO APPROVE A CONTRACT THAT WE ARE NOT SURE OF WHAT EXACTLY IS GOING TO HAPPEN -- SORRY, I HAVE BEEN ASKING A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS AND I HAVEN'T REALLY SPOKEN A BUNCH. I HAVE BEEN GETTING ANSWERS. SO YOU SEE MY CONCERN? >>VIK BHIDE: YES. I SEE YOUR CONCERN. BUT I WILL JUST REITERATE SOME OF THE OPTIONS THAT THE CONTRACTOR HAD PRESENTED. WE WERE UP AGAINST IT AND WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT WHEN WE WERE DOING FINAL SELECTION FOR HAS KELL AND VERSUS PCL. IT WAS IN THIS CHAMBER ITSELF. THE CONTRACTOR ALSO QUESTIONED. A SPECIFIC QUESTION, SHOWING THIS, THIS AND THIS. ARE YOU ABLE TO DO THIS? AND OPTIONAL ITEMS BEYOND THE MINIMUM SCOPE. THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT TO HAVE BUT NO PATHWAY FOR THEM. YOU ARE TAKE THAT THE 57 MILLION IS THE MINIMUM SCOPE? >> CORRECT. >> NO ADDITION, MINIMUM SCOPE. >>VIK BHIDE: WE HAVE TAKEN A LOT OF FRILLS OUT. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, UNLIKE THE EXISTING RIVERWALK ADJACENT TO DOWNTOWN, THE WEST RIVER WALK WILL BASICALLY FROM A CONCRETE SERVICE. A WIDE SIDEWALK. HAS ALL OF THE STRUCTURAL SECURE ELEMENTS RELATIVE TO THE MARINE OVER LAND AND WATER AND STREET THINGS AS WELL. AND THERE AREN'T ANY THRILLS. WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THIS ONE. >>LYNN HURTAK: TO GO TO M MR. ROGERO. IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, IT WAS 41% THAT WE HAVE -- THAT WE HAVE BONDED. >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, MA'AM. >>LYNN HURTAK: WE HAVE NOT ADDED ANY OF THAT. WE HAVE NOT ADDED ANY CAPACITY TO THAT. WE HAVEN'T ADDED ANYTHING TO THAT IN TERMS OF -- WE -- THE ONLY WING WE ADDED WAS THE EAST TAMPA REC CENTER AND HAVEN'T ACTUALLY GONE OUT FOR BONDING ON THAT YET. AM I CORRECT? >>DENNIS ROGERO: YOU ARE CORRECT. AND IF I COULD -- HAVE THE ELMO UP. >>LYNN HURTAK: GREAT. >>DENNIS ROGERO: 41% THAT YOU WERE REFERENCING. WE HAVE ADDED DEBT SINCE THEN FURTHER TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S STATEMENT. JUST LAST MONTH, EARLIER THIS MONTH, $1 20 MILLION FOR THE SOLID WASTE FACILITY IS IMPACTING OUR CAPACITY WHILE WE WAIT TO ROLL THAT INTO A BOND IN A FEW YEARS. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY. WE HAVE TO HOLD ON TOP THAT DEBT. ONCE WE ROLL IT INTO A BOND, THAT IS THEIR DEBT? >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES. YES, MA'AM. >>LYNN HURTAK: NOW THE COST -- THE COST OF THE EAST TAMPA REC CENTER THAT WE PLAN ON BONDING IS ABOUT $40 MILLION, CORRECT? >> 36,000 -- TO ROUND, 40 IS CLOSE ENOUGH. >>LYNN HURTAK: IF WE ARE BONDING 40 MILLION OF THAT, HOW MUCH WILL WE HAVE TO PAY TO BORROW THAT MONEY? WHAT IS THE INTEREST? >>DENNIS ROGERO: RIGHT NOW INTEREST IS NEARLY -- >>LYNN HURTAK: OVER THE COST OF IT. HOW MUCH TOTAL. $40D MILLION. WE ARE BASICALLY PAYING ANOTHER $40 MILLION. >>DENNIS ROGERO: AT LEAST 35 BASED ON ESTIMATES SO FAR. >>LYNN HURTAK: 35 MILLION. FOR THIS PROJECT WE ARE LOOKING AT 26.8. LET'S SAY 27 MILLION BONDING. WHEN LOOKING AT THE COST OF THAT OVER 30 YEARS, WE ARE LOOKING AT ABOUT DOUBLE THAT. 307 OR 40 -- 54 MILLION. >> IF I CAN PAY ATTENTION TO THE ELMO, ON THE SLIDE FOR THAT. FOR YOU AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>LYNN HURTAK: GREAT. $22 MILLION. WE HAVE LEARNED THAT THE POLICE FOR REN SIX BUILDING GONE FROM ADDS 5 MILLION TO A $40 MILLION SFLOJ. >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, MA'AM. >>LYNN HURTAK: WE HAVE BEEN TOLD WE WILL BE BONDING THAT $40 MILLION IF WE APPROVE THAT PROJECT. SO $40 MILLION FOR THAT GOING BACK ON THE EAST TAMPA REC CENTER SAME $40 MILLION MEANS $35 MILLION IN INTEREST. ADDING ALL THIS TOGETHER, WE ARE TALKING $29 MILLION OF INTEREST WITH 107 MILLION OF BONDING FOR A TOTAL OF 199 MILLION DOLLARS? >>DENNIS ROGERO: I WOULD LIKE TO REFINE THOSE NUMBERS BUT PHILOSOPHICALLY, YOU ARE CORRECT. >>LYNN HURTAK: AS MUCH AS I WANT THIS, AND I AM THE FIRST WESTERN TO SUPPORT MOBILITY, WE CANNOT AFFORD IT. AND I HIGHLY RECOMMEND -- BECAUSE THIS PROBABLY WILL PASS -- THAT IN NEXT MONTH, YOU DO EVERYTHING IN YOUR POWER TO FIND FUNDING. I WAS INCREDIBLY DISAPPOINTED WHEN I ASKED DURING OUR PREP MEET GOING YOU HAD LOOKED -- IF YOU HAD TALKED TO ANYBODY IN THE CRA, AND IT WAS CLEAR THAT YOU HAVEN'T EVEN THOUGHT OF THAT YET. AND WHICH TELLS ME YOU AREN'T LOOKING FOR FUNDING. AND YOU ARE EXPECTING US TO GO AHEAD AND BOND THIS. AND I WAS DISAPPOINTED TO HEAR THAT. >>VIK BHIDE: I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT. I HAD CONVERSATIONS OF THE WEST RIVER WALK WITH ELISE AND ERICA, THE DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR AND DEPUTY OF CRA. STANDING FOR THE CRA DIRECTOR. PARTS OF A FUNDING REQUEST. THE PREVIOUS REQUEST FOR A FEW PROJECTS LIKE THE WEST AND ALL THAT AND THE RECONNECTING AS WELL. BECAUSE -- THAT IS IN COST. AND I DON'T THINK IT IS ACCURATE TO SAY THAT WE HAVE NOT THOUGHT OF AUGMENTING FUNDING. >>LYNN HURTAK: HAVEN'T BROUGHT IT TO THE CRA YET. >>VIK BHIDE: AND THE PROCESS FOR THAT MY UNDERSTAND SOMETHING THE WAY I HAVE BEEN DIRECTED WE DISCUSS WITH STAFF WE BRING AND MEMO WITH STAFF AND THE MEMO REQUESTING $10 MILLION. WE DID NOT COORDINATE THIS GO TO THE CAC FOR DISCUSSION AND GOES BACK TO THE CRA BOARD. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING AND THAT WAS NOT CLEAR DURING OUR MEETING. >>VIK BHIDE: THAT IS ON ME. >>LYNN HURTAK: I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION. THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE WHERE THAT $10 MILLION COMES FROM. SO, THANK YOU. >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU JUST CAME UP WITH THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MY 5-3-2. I SPOKE WITH PEOPLE FROM THE ACA AND TO FIND HOW MUCH WILL BE AVAILABLE AND A REASONABLE ACT WITH THE PERCENTAGE. FIVE ON THE FRONT IF THEY ARE SITTING ON THE MONEY AND STAGGER FOR THREE AND TWO FOR STAGGERED SPENDING. I AM JUST AS CONCERNED AS YOU ARE ABOUT THE BONDING SORRY, NOT MY TURN. I AM SHUTTING UP NOW. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND VIERA. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I THINK WE SHOULD LET COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN FINISH SINCE HE STARTED. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SORRY, I AM GOOD. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I THINK YOU SHOULD FINISH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM, GO AHEAD. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO ASK SOME BASIC QUESTIONS FOR THE LISTENING AUDIENCE ABOUT, YOU NKNOW BONDIG 101. I KNOW FROM THE STANDPOINT OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE HOLD, WHEN YOU PURCHASE A HOUSE WITH INTEREST OVER A PER OF TIME, YOU ARE ALMOST GOING TO PAY DOUBLE FOR WHAT YOU PAID FOR THE HOUSE IN GENERAL. WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT? >>DENNIS ROGERO: WITH THE CAVEAT DEPENDING ON THE INTEREST. >>GWEN HENDERSON: CAVEAT DEPENDING ON THE INTEREST. SINGLE-FAMILY HOMEOWNERS BASICALLY BOND IN A SENSE. WHEN YOU ARE BORROWING THAT MONEY, YOU WILL END UP PAYING, YOU KNOW, JUST AS MUCH OR DOUBLING IT UP ONCE IT IS AT THE END OF THE TERM. IN OUR POSITION AS IS CITY, IF WE DID NOT BOND AT ALL AND WE HAVE NO MILLAGE INCREASE, HOW DO WE PAY FOR THINGS? >>DENNIS ROGERO: HOW DO YOU PAY FOR -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: ANYTHING. CAN WE DO ANYTHING NEW IF WE TAKE AWAY BONDING FOR PROJECTS. YOU KNOW, WHAT WILL HAPPEN. WE DON'T HAVE A MILLAGE INCREASE. WE DON'T BAND PROJECTS. HOW WILL WE PAY FOR THEM. >>DENNIS ROGERO: I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE GIST OF YOUR QUESTION AND I MAY HAVE SAID THIS BEFORE AND WORTH REITERATING. FINANCING OR DEBT ISSUANCE IS ONE OF THE ARROWS IN OUR QUIVERS. ONE OF OUR FUNDING MECHANISM. THE SIMPLE IS PAY GO. PAY AS YOU GO. RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: RIGHT. WE HAVE MONEY IN OUR SAVINGS ACCOUNT, BUT IF WE USE IT, WE LOSE OUR BOND RATING. WE LOSE OUR GOOD RATING FOR THE MONEY WE SAVED IN OUR COFFERS FOR RAINY DAYS. >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, MA'AM. THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW AT THIS TIME. THINGS WILL CHANGE. THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX IS ONE OF THOSE X FACTORS. THE SERVICE FOR THE DELTA, THE DIFFERENCE IN THE COST OF THIS. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE OWN REALISTIC SOLUTION IF COUNCIL WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CONTRACT THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO YOU FOR THE PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO YOU IS FINANCING AND THE PRESUMPTION WE TONIGHT WANT TO TAKE $28 MILLION FROM OUR FUND BALANCE AND ADVERSE IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY. WE DID APPROVE -- PRIOR TO THE NEW COUNCILMEMBERS, APPROVAL OF, WHAT, 24 MILLION? >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, MA'AM. >>GWEN HENDERSON: SO THE NEXT PART IS THIS. IF THESE OUTSIDE ENTITIES THAT LOOK AT OUR FINANCES AS A CITY RATE US AS OUTSTANDING -- YOU SEE WHERE I AM GOING WITH THIS VIK? WE HAVE ALL OF THESE ACCOLADES FROM OUTSIDE INSTITUTIONS, FINANCIAL INSTITUTION THAT'S EVALUATE THE FINANCES OF THE CITY WITH BONDING THAT WE ACTUALLY DO AND THINGS THAT WE APPROVE WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH BONDING THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. HERE IS THE QUESTION -- AND FOLLOW-UP BEHIND THAT. HAVE WE BONDED TOO MUCH? WILL THAT HE -- WILL WE BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE LOSE OUR RATING BECAUSE OVERCAPACITY IN BONDING OF THESE OUTSIDE ORGANIZATION THAT'S EVALUATE US? WILL WE BE PUTTING OURSELVES JEOPARDY? >>DENNIS ROGERO: WE DON'T THINK WE WOULD. AND IF I CAN DIRECT TO THE ELMO. I NEED VISUALS -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: ME TOO. >>DENNIS ROGERO: AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A FEW MINUTES AGO. 41%. 533 MILLION OUR PONDING CAPACITY AT 1.3 BILLION. THINGS HAVE CHANGED SOMEWHAT. HALF A YEAR AGO. WE HAVE ADDED AS I MENTIONED $1 20 MILLION. THAT HAS EATEN INTO PART OF THE CAPACITY. OUR ESTIMATED EMPLOYEE PORTION NOW OVER CAPACITY IS ABOUT 50%. AND WE REFINE THOSE NUMBERS PROBABLY A GOOD TIME TO CLARIFY NOT ASKING COUNCIL TO ISSUE DEBT. WE WILL BE ASKING COUNCIL TO ISSUE DEBT JULY 18. HAVE THE WHOLE ROAD SHOW AS WE - ALWAYS DO AND HAVE DEFINED CAPACITY FIGURES FOR YOU, FOR EXAMPLE. SO ABOUT 50% CAPACITY. I THINK COUNCIL WILL SORRY, I WILL DO THE MATH, $600 MILLION CAPACITY. 600 MILLION MORE OF BONDING CAPACITY. THAT WAS A LONG ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION. WE DO NOT FEEL IT WILL ADVERSARY AFFECT OUR RATINGS. AT THE SAME TIME, ONE CAVEAT, WE ARE IN -- AND I THINK COUNCIL KNOW THIS. AND I WILL TAKE A MOMENT TO BE THANKFUL AND CONGRATULATE EVERYONE FOR OUR OUTSTANDING CREDIT RATINGS NOT ALL LOCALITIES HAVE THAT, OF COURSE. AND SOME FROM NO CAPACITY. WE WOULD NEVER COME TO COUNCIL AND RECOMMEND FINANCING, HOWEVER, SIMPLY BECAUSE THERE IS CAPACITY. I WOULD SUBMIT TO COUNSEL AND THE PUBLIC, IT IS NOT A CAPACITY ISSUE SO MUCH AS HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT TO SPEND ISSUE WHEN DO YOU WANT TO SPEND IT IN MY OPINION LEADS TO A PRIORITY ISSUE. WHEN WOULD THEY WANT TO DO IT. WHAT WOULD THEY WANT TO DO FIRST AND HOW FAST DO THEY WANT TO DO IT. I KNOW THAT IS A LONG WAY TO ANSWER. AND I WANTED TO TRY TO GIVE THE ANSWER IN THE CONTEXT, BUT THE SHORT ANSWER IS, NO, WE DON'T FEEL IT WILL ADVERSE AFFECT OUR RATING. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I HAVE SEEN YOU COME BEFORE US SEVERAL TIMES BEING RECOGNIZED BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF CITY'S COFFERS. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WILL ROUND OUT WITH THIS THOUGHT. AND I EXPECT SOME SORT OF COMMENT AFTERWARDS. AS A CITY, WE ADDRESS THE PRETTY STUFF THAT WE NEED AND THE GREAT NEEDS OF THE CITY. SPEND MONEY TO HOUSING AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND MADE COMMITMENT TO THAT. WE ALSO -- AS WE LOOK FORWARD TOMORROW IN TAMPA'S TOMORROW AND OUR FUTURE, WE HAVE TO DO THE THINGS THAT IMPROVE OUR CITY HOLISTICALLY, THE BEAUTIFICATION OF THIS. THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IN AND OF ITSELF, $56 MILLION, BENEFITS A LOT OF COMMUNITIES, NOT JUST ONE, YOU KNOW, LOCATION IN WEST TAMPA IS THEIR TURN. THEY -- THEY PUT IN A LOT OF WORK WITH THE ROME YARD COMING AND ALL THE WORK THEY HAVE DONE AND CONTRIBUTE TO THAT AREA AND GING ALL THE WAY TO COLUMBUS DRIVE. I THINK WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS THAT AS A CITY, YOUR TAKE ON IT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT MOBILITY AND OUR FINANCES AND EVERYTHING WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, IT -- IT IS VERY DIVERSE. WE SPEND MONEY ON THE SIDEWALKS. WE SPEND MONEY ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE SPREAD THE WEALTH. WE CAN'T BARB PEOPLE CAME BEFORE US TODAY AND STAYED, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NEED TO DO THIS. AND I AM JUST MAKING THIS APPEAL TO HELP FOLKS UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING IN ORDER TO KEEP OUR CITY MOVING FORWARD. I CAN SEE WHY SOMEONE WOULD SAY THIS IS A WASTE OF MONEY, BUT I CAN CONTEND SOME PEOPLE SAY WE PUT TOO MUCH MONEY IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND MOBILITY AND OUR STREETS. PEOPLE WHO DON'T NECESSARILY LIKE OUR BIKE LANES. IF WE ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD AS CITY, THAT IS WHERE WE MAKE THOSE INVESTMENTS IN ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF ENTITIES. IF YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO THAT OR NOT, YOU CAN, VIK, BECAUSE I AM SPEAKING TO THE PUBLIC WHO GOES BACK TO LISTEN RIGHT NOW OR TOMORROW WHENEVER THEY DECIDE TO LI LISTEN. >>VIK BHIDE: ABSOLUTELY. I THINK YOU MADE A VERY, VERY GOOD POINT, COUNCILWOMAN, AND THAT IS A VERY DELIBERATE STRATEGY OF PAIRING INFRASTRUCTURE WITH HOUSING OR INFRASTRUCTURE WITH MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE CHALLENGES BOTH WITH HOUSING AND TRANSPORTATION. AND WE TALK ABOUT HOUSING AFFORDABLE WITH TRANSPORTATION A LOT TRANSPORTATION IS NOT FAR BEHIND. A QUARTER -- ALMOST A QUARTER OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME'S BUDGET. AND THE ONLY THING THAT BRINGS DOWN TRANSPORTATION COSTS THAT WE KNOW OF AS A PRACTICE IS REDUCING HOW FAR YOU TRAVEL TO REDUCING THAT VRT AND TAKING MODES THAT ARE INHERENTLY CHEAPER, BIKING, WALKING AND TRANSIT ARE MUCH CHEAPER THAN CAR INSURANCE, REPAIRS, PARKING AND GAS INCREASED RELATIVE TO INFLATION AND EVERYTHING ELSE HAS. THE AVERAGE CAR PAYMENT TODAY IS ABOUT $700. THERE ARE SOME DOWNWARD PRESSURES FROM THE INDUSTRY BUT THEY NEVER COME BACK DOWN TO WHAT IT WAS PREVIOUSLY. THIS IS A VERY DELIBERATE STRATEGY ACROSS THE NATION RIGHT NOW OF PAIRING DENSITY WITH ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION OR TRANSIT. AND WE DO THAT WITH DOD AND TRANSIT. THIS IS THE SAME, ROME YARD AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WEST RIVER. ACT VATION OF THE RIVERWALK WHICH IS AN EQUITY THING. ALL OF WEST TAMPA WILL NOW BE CONNECTED CAR-FREE WITH MANY MORE NEIGHBORHOODS THAN IT HAS BEEN IN THE PAST THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT ON A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE, MR. ROGERO. >>DENNIS ROGERO: ABSOLUTELY. SOME OF THOSE PAINTS HAVE BEEN MADE. RISK IN PAY AS YOU GO WITH INFLATION PLEASE BHIDE SAID. OTHER RESOURCES OTHER THAN FUNDING THAT MAY BE AT RISK BY POSTPONING OR, IF YOU WILL, WAITING TO SAVE UP THE MONEY. CONTRACTOR AND SUBCONTRACTORS MA MAY NOT BE AVAILABLE TO DO IT. GOES BACK TO MY PREVIOUS COMMENT, HOW FAST WOULD YOU LIKE DO IT. YOU CAN -- LET ME BACK UP FOR A MINUTE. IF YOU ARE A LARGE CITY -- I THINK WE ARE. 40th LARGEST CITY IN THE U.S. AND YOU WANT TO DO BIG THINGS. INVEST SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS IN THE CITY, AND YOU WANT TO DO IT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, THE BEST PRACTICES IS FINANCING THE PROJECT COMPLETE FINANCING OR AS COUNCILMAN MIRANDA SAID MANY TIMES WHETHER A COMBINATION OF CASH AND FINANCING LIKE OUR PIPES PROGRAM MR. BHIDE HAS SAID AND PURSUE OTHER FUNDING SOURCES. CONGRESSWOMAN KATHY CASTOR AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL FOR ANOTHER $3 MILLION OR $4 MILLION. AND OTHER GRANTS. BUT AT THE HEART OF IT, THOUGH, THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT PROJECT. OVER $60 MILLION. IN ORDER TO SAVE UP THAT $27 MILLION, $28 MILLION, PRESUMING COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR DON'T WANT TO CUT $27 MILLION OR $28 MILLION FROM THE EXISTING GENERAL FUND BUDGET TO SAVE UP THAT FUNDING, IT WILL TAKE SOME TIME AND COSTS ARE ANTICIPATED TO ESCALATE. NOT TO MENTION THE PROJECT WON'T REACH FRUITION IN THE TIMELINE WE WOULD LIKE. I HOPE THAT WASN'T TOO LONG-WINDED. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU. I THINK MY TIME IS UP. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS IN LIFE. I ALWAYS SAY THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE BLACK AND WHITE AND A LOT OF THIS I THINK SO THAT ARE GRAY. THIS IS ONE WHERE THERE IS SOME GRAY. PEOPLE UP HERE IN COUNCIL WITH SOME OF THESE ISSUES. VERY LEGITIMATE POINTS AND THINGS THAT ULTIMATELY BENEFIT YOU, THERE IS GRAY. IN THIS, IT IS EASY TO FIND GRAY. S TO NOT LIKE YOU GO STRETCH, ETC. I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS AND I WILL BE TALKING VERY, VERY BRIEFLY WHY. THERE WAS BIG PROJECTS IN THE PAST I HAVE THAT VOTED YES ON THAT MAYBE I GO, YOU KNOW WHAT, I SHOULD HAVE LOOKED A LITTLE FURTHER AND I THINK WE ALL FEEL THAT IN CITY COUNCIL. BIG PROJECTS IN THE PAST THAT I VOTED NO ON, AND I HAVE DONE IT FOR THOSE REASONS BECAUSE I THINK THE GRAY IN THE PROJECTS, HOWEVER GREAT THEY MAY BE, ESPECIALLY IN THE CRA, THE NEGATIVE OUTWEIGHS THE POSITIVE. EVERYBODY HERE ACKNOWLEDGES THE POSITIVE. THE BASIC FACT WITH THIS PROGRAM OR THE BUDGET EFFORT THAT THE 40% PREBONDING OF THE FUNDS ARE PAID FOR BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. AND IT APPEARS -- PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WE DON'T USE IT, WE LOSE IT, RIGHT? >>VIK BHIDE: CORRECT. >>LUIS VIERA: THAT IS HUGE. THAT IS HUGE. THAT IS HUGE. IF WE DON'T USE IT, WE LOSE IT. IT HAPPENS ANOTHER $10 10 MILLION WILL BE COMING OUT OF THE CRA. COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN'S COMMENTS OF LOOKING FOR MORE FUNDS FROM THE CRA THAT WE CAN AND I APPLAUD THAT. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S COMMENTS ON LOOKING TO SEE IF ANY OF THIS CAN BE SCALED BACK. IT APPEARS THAT SCRUTINY IS APPLIED TO THAT. A MAYBE THINGS WE CAN'T DO, BUT THAT IS THE RIGHT KIND OF ATTITUDE AS PHYSICALLY RESPONSIBILITY AS POSSIBLE. IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE 60% OF THE PREBONDING TO BE PAID BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND CRA AND $24 MILLION COMING FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND IF YOU DON'T USE IT, YOU WILL BE LOSING IT. AND A GOOD DEAL FOR TAXPAYERS IN AND THE ABILITY TO BOND IS NOT -- UNFETTERED ABILITY FOR UNFETTERED RIGHT. IN CASES LIKE THIS, WHEN 60% IS COMING FROM CRA AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, WE STILL HAVE A DUTY TO MITIGATE. I THINK WE DO. I THINK THAT A MOTION WOULD BE WELL TAKEN ON THIS MAYBE TO INQUIRE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TIMING IS. IN SIX MONTHS, NINE MONTHS, A YEAR ON WHAT EFFORTS HAVE BEEN MADE TO LOOK AT OTHER GRANTS, WHETHER IT IS STATE, FEDERAL, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, RIGHT TO MITIGATE THE AMOUNT THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE BONDING. NOT -- NOT JUST THE SUCCESS THAT HAS BEEN HAD, IF ANY, BUT THE EFFORTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE. BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS SOME OF THE CONCERNS ON THIS PROJECT CONCERN WE ALL SHARE AND WILL BE UNREASONABLE NOT TO SHARE THAT CONCERN AND LOOKING AT CRAS AND DOING MORE. IF WE SAY NO TO THIS, GIVING AWAY 24 MILLION. AND THAT MONEY IS GONE. BY THE WAY, WE ARE IN ELECTION YEAR. MO KNOW WHAT IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL LOOK LIKE NEXT YEAR? WHO KNOW WHAT IS IT WILL LOOK LIKE. THE POLITICAL ATMOSPHERE. THE RELATIONSHIP TO CITIES LIKE TAMPA WILL LOOK LIKE NEXT YEAR. GIVING AWAY THAT MONEY IN MY OPINION IS VERY, VERY MISGUIDED. IT KIND OF REMINDS ME WHEN WE WERE LIKING AT TAPPING CHANNELSIDE. WE SAID IF WE DO THAT, WE WOULD BE GIVING AWAY MONEY. WE SAID NOT WISE TO DO THAT BECAUSE GIVING AWAY A LOT OF MONEY FROM THE COUNTY. KIND OF CORRELATES A LITTLE BIT FROM THIS. IF WE DON'T APPROVE THIS, GIVING AWAY $24 MILLION. NOT A BLANK CHECK TO SPEND, SPEND, SPEND. NOT THAT YOU ALL ARE DOING THAT BUT A DUTY TO MITIGATE ON THE BONDING ISSUE. I THINK GOING FORWARD WITH THIS. WE SHOULD APPROVE THIS. AND LOOKING AT ACCOUNTABILITY ON WHAT EFFORTS ARE MADE TO GET MORE GRANTS AND I KNOW THAT WILL BE DONE AND TO SET OUR MINDS AT EASE. WE ALL WANT TO SUPPORT THIS. THIS IS A BIG WIN FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA. A BIG WIN FOR WEST TAMPA. CLEARLY OUTSIDE OF MY DISTRICT, THE FOLKS I DIRECTLY REPRESENT, BUT WE ARE STEWARDS OF ALL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MOVES US FORWARD AS A CITY AND IN THAT REGARD. THERE IS NO GRAY IN THAT. GRAY COMES IN THE FINANCING OF IT. WITH THE 10 MILLION FROM THE CRA, $24 MILLION FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND POTENTIAL OF OTHER GRANTS, ETC., I THINK IT STRONGLY LEANS IN FAVOR OF SAYING YES AND THE DUTY FOR THAT B BOND. MIRANDA. ANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN - >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AGREE TO MY COLLEAGUES TO A POINT. BUT EVERYTHING IN LIFE IS RISKY, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. NO -- YOU MIGHT SAVE MONEY AND YOU ALSO MAY HAVE AWAY? SOMETHING YOU CAN'T BUY, BECAUSE IT COSTS -- ESCALATION OF PRODUCT WENT UP. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT EARLIER TODAY. SO YOU MIGHT GET THE BEST INTEREST TODAY OR THE WORST INTEREST TODAY, BUT WHO KNOWS WHAT TOMORROW HOLDS. YOU MIGHT BUILD SOMETHING AND A HURRICANE COMES BY AND TAKES IT. IT IS WHAT IT IS. NOTHING GUARANTEES ANYTHING. WE HAVE TO WORK ON THE ENVIRONMENT. BUT I AM NOT AGAINST THIS KIND OF PROJECT. I AM NOT AGAINST BONDING TO SOME DEGREE. BUT GET TO THE POINT VERY CLOSE WHERE THE CHANCES WILL BE HELD BECAUSE THE INTEREST RATE MAY STAY OR MAY NOT STAY WHERE IT IS AT. WHO KNOW WHAT IS WILL HAPPEN IN THIS COUNTRY. WHO KNOWS WHAT WILL HAPPEN PRESIDENT FAR EAST. NO KNOW WHAT IS WILL HAPPEN IN TAIWAN AND WHO KNOW WHAT IS WILL HAPPEN IN TODAY'S EVER-MOVING WORLD WE LIVE IN. EVERYTHING WE TO IS A RISK. SO WE EITHER DO IT OR DON'T DO IT AND YOU RISK YOURSELF EITHER WAY IN EXPOSURE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A PROJECT LIKE THIS GO THROUGH. IT DOESN'T MEAN IT WILL BE SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE YOU ARE TALKING OF NATURE, MONEY AND THINGS USING IT HOWEVER, YOU CAN'T GIVE IT AWAY WITH THE EXTENSION OF THE CIP. WE WILL, BUT I WON'T VOTE FOR THAT. YOU CANNOT GIVE TAXPAYER MONEY AWAY. AND IF YOU KEPT YOUR NOSE CLEAN AND I AM NOT HERE SCOLD NERVE -- BUT IN GUY, I DON'T MIND HELPING OR GIVING ONE OF THE SIX CENT OF THE SEATTLE SALES TAX $10 MILLION A YEAR FOR A 15 OR 30-YEAR PROGRAM OPINION BUT I AM NOT WILLING TO GIVE OUT CERTAIN THING. I AM NOT FOLLOWING HELP THE SPORTS AUTHORITY TO RECOUP ALL THE MONEY THEY GIVE AWAY WHICH IS A LOT OF MONEY -- I TELL YOU, A LOT OF MONEY. I DON'T LIKE TO GIVE PUBLIC LANDS TO ANYBODY ELSE. TALK OF CHANGING THE LOTS IN YBOR CITY AND PUTTING THE POLICEMAN -- WHO IS DOING THE RIGHT THING AND WHO IS NOT DOING THE RIGHT THING? WE GIVE AWAY 200 MILLION OR $ 00 MILLION IN PARKING FEES AWAY. THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT THE TAXPAYERS DO NOT UNDERSTAND AND I AM NOT HERE TO SPEAK FOR ALL OF US. BUT I WILL SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AM NOT SAYING IF THIS IS TRANSFORMING OR NOT TRANSFORMING. I CALL THE QUESTION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I MOVE 78, FILE NUMBER MAM 24-6502 -- >> EXCUSE ME, 78 THE RESOLUTION APPROVING THE CONTRACT? YEAH, THAT -- THIS IS FIRST CONSIDERATION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AM MOVING THE RESOLUTION. WE ARE JUST LISTENING. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY. BECAUSE OF COUNCIL'S NEW POLICY REGARDING HAVING A SUFFICIENT AMOUNT OF TIME, IT IS NOT -- WE DON'T CALL IT TWO READINGS, BUT APPEARS CONTINUE TO THE AGENDA TWICE BEFORE YOU VOTE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I MOVE THAT WE HEARD THIS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU. DOES THAT ALSO TAKE CARE OF NUMBER 80? >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT DOES. NUMBER 0 IS A DRAFT FINANCIAL RESOLUTION. FOR OUR PURPOSES ALSO BECAUSE WE WILL BE COMING IN TAN KENNEL ON THE 18th. >> SO WE ARE DONE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM 79, SIR? >>VIK BHIDE: ITEM 79 NEEDS TO BE VOTED ON SEPARATELY. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT COUNCIL APPROVE IT BECAUSE IT DOES BEARING ON JULY 18, APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF THE CONTRACT ITSELF, BUT THIS ITEM DOES RATIFY THE UPDATED PRICING THAT WE NEED TO REPORT TO FEDERAL HIGHWAY AND SAY THAT COUNCIL HAS RATIFIED THE PRICING. AND THEN THEY WILL PROVIDE US THE APPROVAL TO AWARD THE CONTRACT. AGAIN, EVEN APPROVAL TO AWARD THE CONTRACT FROM FEDERAL HIGHWAY STILL DOES NOT PRECLUDE COUNCIL'S RIGHT TO WEIGH IN ON WHETHER THE CONTRACT IS APPROVED OR NOT ON JULY 18. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: 79 SAYS THE SAME VERBIAGE OF THE OTHER TWO. >>MARTIN SHELBY: 79 -- SORRY. >>VIK BHIDE: THAT IS THE AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. IN ESSENCE, WHAT AMOUNT NUMBER ONE IS, THE DELTA BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL PRICE AND THIS INCREASED PRICE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, MR. BHIDE, IF I CAN BE RECOGNIZED. TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN HAS RAISED. PLACED ON THE AGENDA FOR IDENTICAL LANGUAGE 78, 79 AND 80, SCHEDULED APPROVAL JULY 18 AS WHAT WAS SAID IN RED ON NUMBER 79 WHICH WAS APPROVING AMENDMENT 1. >>VIK BHIDE: WE DID TRY TO CORRECT THAT. WE CAUGHT THAT WE ARE ROAR. THAT VERBIAGE IS IN ERROR. WE TRIED TO CATCH THAT ON TUESDAY AND PUT A MEMO IN FOR COUNCIL. WE WEREN'T ABLE TO BECAUSE SEVERAL CRITICAL FOLKS HAVE LEFT FOR THE DAY AT THAT TIME. I REAPED OUT TO MANY AIDEs AND COUNCILMEMBERS TO CLARIFY WHAT THAT IS ABOUT. TO THE EXTENT WE CAN TAKE A SEPARATE VOTE ON IT. AND IF -- AT LEAST FROM A STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, IF IT CAN BE APPROVD SO THAT WE GET A FAIR CHANCE FOR ANOTHER HEARING AND DISCUSSION ON JULY 18, THAT WILL BE GREAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: QUESTION. WHAT IS THE CONSEQUENCES OF DEFERRING TO THE 18th FOR THE REST OF IT. >>VIK BHIDE: VERY GOOD QUESTION. THE QUESTION IS A DELAY. THERE IS A PROCESS BETWEEN NOW AND JULY 18 IF YOU APPROVE ITEM 79, WE GO BACK TO FEDERAL HIGHWAY AND SAY THAT COUNCIL HAS RATIFIED THE PRICE, BUT THE CONTRACT APPROVAL IS COMING UP ON JULY 18. AND THEY GIVE US THE FINAL APPROVAL TO AWARD THE CONTRACT. BUT THAT STILL DOES NOT PRECLUDE COUNCIL'S RIGHT TO WEIGH IN ON IT AND APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE ON JULY 18. ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, NO RISK TO JULY 18, BUT NOT DOING IT HAS A SIGNIFICANT RISK ON THE TIMELINE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WILL MOVE THE RESOLUTION. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: AGAIN, I THINK THIS COULD BE A WONDERFUL PROJECT. BUT UNTIL YOU COME TO US WITH SOME MORE SOLID SPACE WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO GET THIS MONEY, EVEN HAVING STALKED TO THE CAC, I CAN'T APPROVE IT UNTIL I KNOW WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO BOND $27 MILLION. >>VIK BHIDE: UNDERSTOOD. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION OF ITEM 79 FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. LET'S TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE. >>BILL CARLSON: NO. >>LYNN HURTAK: NO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES MI. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON AND HURTAK VOTING NO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES? >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK VIK EARLIER FOR HIS PRESENTATION AND FEEDBACK, I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO THANK MR. ROGERO, THEY REACHED OUT TO US KNOWING THAT I WAS AGAINST IT. THEY STILL WENT THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. AND DENNIS, AS HE HAS DONE MANY TIME RECENTLY PUT ADDITIONAL DATA, CRUNCHED DATA. PI WANT TO STAFF FOR DOING THAT. IF POSSIBLE, IF YOU CAN E-MAIL THE DATA TO US AND A GREAT EXAMPLE WHERE WE COULD -- WE HAD A COLLEGIAL DISCUSSION. WE DON'T ALL AGREE, BUT THE DATA IT ON THE TABLE AND THE PUBLIC HAS SEEN IT. GREAT DAY FOR TRANSPARENCY. I WANT TO THANK BOTH OF YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: I WON'T MAKE THE MOTION NOW. THE QUESTION TO Y'ALL. IF WE WANT FIND OUT WHAT ADDITIONAL EFFORTS ARE MADE WITH REGARDS TO GRANTS. AND WE CAN, I GUESS, DEAL WITH CRA DURING CRA, WHAT IS REASONABLE TIME FRAME FOR THAT? >>VIK BHIDE: IF I COULD SPEAK -- ALTHOUGH THE GRANTS OFFICE IS UNDER -- >>DENNIS ROGERO: YOU CAN SPEAK AND I WILL JUMP IN. >>VIK BHIDE: LOOK FOR FUNDING 180 DAYS -- IF YOU GIVE US 180S. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, YES? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: VIK, WE DO THE STREETCAR UPDATES. IF PART OF THE MOBILITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE, INCLUDE THIS PROJECT TO THE STREETCAR UPDATES. >>VIK BHIDE: SURE, SOUNDS GOOD. >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK IT WILL BE GOOD IF COUNCILMAN VIERA WILL MAKE HIS MOTION AND PUT IT IN JANUARY. >>LUIS VIERA: I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO OPEN UP A CAN OF WORMS. I DO MOTION THAT STAFF AND M MR. ROGERO AND ANYBODY ELSE -- THAT WANTS TO COME BACK ON THIS. JANUARY 9 OF 2025, COME BACK ON THIS PROJECT AND ADVISE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL ON WHAT EFFORTS HAVE BEEN MADE TO SECURE ADDITIONAL FUNDING THROUGH GRANTS AND THE SUCCESS OF ANY SAID EFFORTS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA. SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN CHARLOTTE. MR. SHELBY, YOU HAVE YOUR HAND. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU SAID THIS PROJECT. WHAT IS THE CORRECT TITLE FOR THIS MOTION. >>LUIS VIERA: WEST REFERWALK PROJECT. >>DENNIS ROGERO: THAT IS FINE. >>VIK BHIDE: THE LONG NAME IS THE FED'S. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT WITH THAT PMO BY JANUARY WE KNOW WHERE WE STAND BY THE CIT. THAT ALSO CHANGES THINGS FOR ME. BUT WE CAN'T -- SO, I THINK THAT IF YOU -- IF -- IF THE CIT PASS, I WOULD LIKE AS PART OF THAT MOTION WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION WILL BE FOLLOWING PUT TOWARD THIS WHETHER BONDING OR PAY GO OR WHATEVER, WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE THANKS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? >>GWEN HENDERSON: DOES SHE NEED A SECOND ON THAT -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT WAS AN AMENDMENT, NOT A SUBSTITUTE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: VIK, WHEN HE SAID 2025. WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE FLYING CARS BY NOW. WHERE ARE OUR FLYING CARS. >>VIK BHIDE: RIGHT BEHIND AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR, MR. VAKE JUST JUSTIN VASKE, LEGAL DEPARTMENT. THE FINANCIAL, CONTINUED INTO JULY 18. >>MARTIN SHELBY: SET BY MOTION OR OVERLAPPING. >> I WOULD SAY YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO BY MOTION, BECAUSE IT IS NOT A CONTRACT THAT AUTOMATICALLY DELAYS IT UNTIL THE 17th. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT WILL ALSO APPLY TO NUMBER 78, RIGHT? >>BILL CARLSON: MEANS SCHEDULING IT FOR SECOND. >> WOULD YOU JUST BE CONTINUING THIS UNTIL JULY 18 FOR THE FINANCIAL RESOLUTION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FOR 78. YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE IT COMES BACK JULY 18. >>LYNN HURTAK: TRAVELLING WITH 80. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN I HAVE A MOTION OF THAT? COUNCIL CARLSON WITH THE FOR 78 TO COME BACK JULY 18. SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ARE YOU DONE? HE SAID, NO, JUST 78. THAT'S RIGHT. HE CLARIFIED IT. >>DENNIS ROGERO: IF I COULD FURTHER CLARIFY. 78 -- NUMBER 78 AND NUMBER 80 WILL BOTH BE COMING JULY 18. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. BEFORE WE GO TO 84, COUNCILMAN VIERA, ON 87. I PUT "PENDING" ON HERE. >>LUIS VIERA: I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT. I TOLD MISS WYNN I CAN SPEAK ON THIS. I DON'T WANT HER TO SPEAK ON THAT AND TAX HER TIME. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 84. MR. COTTON ARE YOU PRESENTED OR MISS WELLS. >>CATE WELLS: CATE WELLS, LEGAL DEPARTMENT FOR THE RECORD AND MR. COTTON IS HERE AS WELL. WE JUST HAVE A VERY QUICK PRESENTATION AND TOUCH ON THE ISSUES RAISED IN THE MOTION. ONE THING BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT NOTICE WITH RESPECT TO THE LIVE LOCAL ACT. I DID WANT TO CONFIRM, PART OF THE MOTION INQUIRED ABOUT THE ABILITY FOR DEVELOPERS TO SEEK A BONUS DENSITY FOR THESE APPLICATIONS OR OTHER CITY SUB CITY DECEMBER. BONUS DENSITIES -- ANY TIME WE ENTER INTO A BONUS ENTITY, THAT NECESSARILY COMES BEFORE CITY COUNCIL AND THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE APPROVED BY STAFF. LIKEWISE WITH THE SUBSIDIES, THAT REQUIRES COUNCIL'S APPROVAL. LIVE LOCAL PROJECTS THAT THE CITY HAS PROCESSED TODAY. OF TWO THEM THAT HAVE BEEN RECEIVED. THOSE ARE HANDLED ADMINISTRATIVELY, CONSISTENT WITH THE LAW THAT WAS CREATED LAST YEAR AND CODIFIED AT SECTION 176.04051. ONE OF THE REASONS STAFF DID NOT INCLUDE NOTICE WHEN WE ESTABLISHED THE PROGRAM FOR HOUSING -- THE PROGRAM THAT THE CITY WOULD IMPLEMENT WITH LIVE LOCAL. CAME BACK WITH THE CITY FOR THE MAYOR'S FIRST TERM, DIFFERENT ADVISORY GROUPS HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS WITHIN THE CITY. THE ONE GROUP LOOKING AT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND PERMITTING LOOKED AT THE DIFFERENT NOTICES THAT THE CITY REQUIRED FOR DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS. AND WHAT CAME OUT OF THOSE MEETINGS WAS TO HAVE UNIFORM NOTICE PROCEDURE IN CHAPTER 27 TO REMOVE -- AND TO REMOVE THE NEED FOR NOTICE WHERE THE RECIPIENT OF THAT NOTICE WAS NOT REALLY ALLOWED TO ENGAGE IN THE PROCESS. CERTAIN TYPES OF APPLICATIONS THAT GET FILED WITH THE CITY THAT ARE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY. AND THEY DON'T -- THERE ISN'T LOOK ACHE 30 DAY OR 15-DAY PERIOD FOR PUCKETT LICK TO INTERACT WITH STAFF AND COMMENT ON IT. SOME WHERE -- WHERE THERE IS NO POSSIBILITY OF ENGAGEMENT, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO NOT DO WRITTEN NOTICE. BECAUSE NOTICE CREATES AN EXPECTATION THAT YOU WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS. SO WITH THAT, IN -- I THINK IT WAS DECEMBER OF 2020, THOSE PROVISIONS IN CHAPTER 27 WERE AMENDED TO ACHIEVE THOSE GOALS. THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY A YEAR AGO WHEN WE WERE HAVING THIS COVERING, THAT DECISION HAD BEEN MADE. AND NOW SINCE THEN, IF -- IF -- SINCE THE STATUTORY FABRIC FOR LIVE, LOCAL DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY TYPE OF HEARING OR ANY TYPE OF NOTICE BECAUSE IT IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS. THERE WAS NO LEGAL DOCTOR THERE ARE NO LEGAL BURDENS OR PARAMETERS IF WE WANT TO ESTABLISH NOTICE FOR THESE APPLICATIONS. IT REALLY IS A POLICY DECISION FOR COUNCIL. SO WITH THAT, WINNER RICK AND I MET AND OTHERS, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE POSSIBILITY FOR NOTICE, WE ARE LOOKING AT WRITTEN NOTICE TO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AND OR WRITTEN NOTICE TO OWNERS OF PROPERTY WITHIN 300 FEET OF WHERE THE PROJECT IS LOCATED. WE DON'T RECOMMEND THAT WE REQUIRE DEVELOPERS OR APPLICANTS TO POST A SIGN, PRIMARILY BECAUSE THE SIGNS WE HAD RIGHT NOW ARE ALL ABOUT ADVERTISING PUBLIC HEARING. IF -- AND ONCE COUNCIL DECIDES HOW IT -- IT WANTS TO HANDLE NOTICE, WHAT I DO -- FROM AN IMPLEMENTATION STANDPOINT. IF WRITTEN NOTICE IS REQUIRED, WHETHER IT IS THE ASSOCIATIONS OR PROPERTY OWNERS, THAT THE APPLICANT BE REQUIRED TO COMPLETE THAT NOTICE WITHIN FIVE DAYS OF THE APPLICATION FOR LIVE LOCAL PROJECTS BEING ACCEPTED IN ACELA. WHEN IT IS OCCURS IN ACELA AN E-MAIL THAT IS GENERATED FOR THE APPLICANT AND THE E-MAIL CAN INCLUDE REQUIREMENT TO COMPLETE NOTICE. WE WANT THE APPLICANT TO FILE AN AFFIDAVIT CONFIRMING THEY HAD NOTICE REGARDING REZONING AND OTHER APPLICATIONS THAT COME BEFORE COUNCIL. THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT WE RECOMMEND THAT THE APPLICATION NOT BE DISTRIBUTED TO THE REVIEWING DEPARTMENTS UNTIL NOTICE HAS BEEN COMPLETE. OTHERWISE WHAT IS THE PURPOSE. SO I DID WANT TO MENTION I SMOKE WITH CARROLL ANN BENNETT AND STEPHANIE POYNOR. SHE SAID CARROLL ANNE AND I HAVE TO LEAVE AND WE WANT LIVE LOCAL TO FOLLOW SAME PROCEDURES AS ANY OTHER APPLICATION. WILL NOT BE BURDENED BY FILING THE LIVE LOCAL IN THE FIRST PLACE. IT WAS THEIR REQUEST THAT IN ADDITION TO THE WRITTEN NOTICE, THAT SIGNS BE POSTED. IF THAT IS COUNCIL'S DESIRE, THOSE SIGNS WILL HAVE TO BE CREATED BECAUSE THE ONES WE CURRENTLY HAVE, AND I ACTUALLY HAVE A PICTURE OF ONE THAT SOMEONE AT A DRC MEET HAD WITH THEM. THIS IS ALL ADVERTISING THE PUBLIC HEARING WHICH DOES NOT OCCUR WITH THESE TYPE OF APPLICATIONS. SO I DON'T KNOW, ERIC, IF YOU WANTED TO ADD TO THAT DISCUSSION? >>ERIC COTTON: NO, ERIC COTTON, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION. AS CATE INDICATED, UP TO COUNCIL IF YOU WANT TO SET POLICY TO REQUIRE NOTICE. STAFF LEVEL, WE WOULD RECOMMEND IF YOU DO A NOTICE, IT WILL BE A MAILED NOTICE. DIRECT AND TO THE POINT FOR PEOPLE TO RECEIVE THE NOTICE VERSUS A SIGN WHICH, I AM SURE YOU HEARD THE COMPLAINT. SIGN -- PEOPLE DRIVE BY. THEY MAY SEE IT. THEY MAY NOT SEE IT. A LETTER AT THEIR HOME ADDRESS ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER ALSO GET THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND THEN COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. I WANT TO SAY, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU MUCH FOR LOOKING AT THIS BECAUSE THIS IS DEFINITELY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE ONLY WAY THE PUBLIC CAN BE INVOLVED IS FIND OUT ABOUT IT AND GET INVOLVED. WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING. YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING. NOTHING THAT THE STATE LAW SAYS THAT THESE GO THROUGH AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY INPUT. SO I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH THE WRITTEN -- THE MAILINGS THAT WOULD GO OUT TO 00 FEET AND TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS. I THINK THAT -- THAT IS EXCELLENT. I AM NOT SURE ABOUT THE SIGNS. THE ONLY THING I WOULD HAVE TO SEE IS WHAT -- THE WAY -- THE WAY THAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY CREATE IS TO SAY -- MAYBE A LIVE LOCAL HEARING AND WE COULDN'T HAVE OUR ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER ON IT BECAUSE IT IS NOTHING WE CAN DO. ALL WE CAN DO IS THE SCAN THAT GOES TO THE ACELA LINK TO FIND WAYS TO REACH OUT TO THE APPLICANT. SO I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. BRAINSTORM SOME IDEAS AND THIS IS THE ONE I AM SORT ARE SORT OF IFFY ON I WANT TO SEE WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE IN YOUR OPINION AND I LOVE THE REST AND WILL GO VERY NICELY TO WHAT WE ARE ALREADY DOING. THANK YOU. >>ERIC COTTON: IF I MAY, JUST DIRECTLY. THE LETTERS -- THE QR CODES ARE ON THE LETTERS AND THEY CAN SCAN AND SEE THE APPLICATION I IN ACELA. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. I THINK THE ONLY REASON THAT THE SIGNS CAN BE SUCCESSFUL IS JUST LIKE THE CASE THAT CAME IN FRONT OF US TODAY ABOUT THAT WEIRD SHAPED PROPERTY GOING FROM RM -- RESIDENTIAL 50 TO MULTIFAMILY IS, IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE THERE WAS AN ACTIVE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. SO GETTING THAT NOTICE AND HAVING THE SIGN WOULD BE THE ONLY WAY THAT THEY WOULD KNOW ABOUT IT. AND FOR THE PLACES THAT WE EXPECT LIVE LOCAL TO GO, THAT MIGHT BE MORE OF AN ISSUE. SO THAT -- THAT IS THE REASON THAT I THINK WE SHOULD REALLY CONSIDER SIGNS BECAUSE THESE MIGHT -- THESE ARE PROBABLY GOING TO END UP GOING IN AREAS WHERE WE DON'T HAVE A -- THAT AREN'T VERY RESIDENTIAL TO BEGIN WITH. SO I THINK THAT IS WHY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT YOUR RENDERINGS AND YOUR THOUGHTS ARE TOWARD A SIGN. MAYBE A DIFFERENT COLOR. INSTEAD OF YELLOW, IT IS ORANGE, I DON'T KNOW. THEN BUY TEN OF THEM AND STICK THEM BACK. IF YOU NEED MORE, YOU CAN ORDER MORE. JUST -- AGAIN, JUST THOUGHTS. JUST -- JUST A FEW THINGS. JUST KIND OF PONDER WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND BRING US A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WOULD SUGGEST THAT REQUIRES A MOTION IF YOU ARE GOING TO DIRECT STAFF -- >>LYNN HURTAK: EVENTUALLY. I WILL LET EVERYBODY ELSE SPEAK AND THEN COME UP WITH A MOTION. THOSE WERE MY THOUGHTS BEHIND IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU FOR THE RESEARCH AND IDEAS. IF WE CAN DO A LETTER, A SIGN AND THE ACELA ALERTS, THAT WILL BE FANTASTIC. BUT I THINK WE OUGHT TO HAVE CONSISTENT LANGUAGE, WHATEVER IT IS, WAY UP FRONT ON THE TOP OF THE SIGN AND THE LETTER, IT SHOULD SAY SOMETHING LIKE, STATE -- NOTICE OF STATE PREEMPTED APPROVAL AND NOTICE OF STATE REQUIRED APPROVAL. AND IT SHOULD ALSO HAVE -- THE WEB SITE OR WHERE WE NOTICE IT, IT SHOULD HAVE A LINK TO THE STATE LEGISLATURE AND ANY QUERIES, CONTACT THE STATE LEGISLATURE. BECAUSE IT IS THEIR DECISION. NOT A POLITICAL THING, BUT THAT IS WHO THEY CONTACT. OTHERWISE WE GET FLOODED -- PEOPLE WILL START RALLIES AND WHY ARE YOU APPROVING THIS YOU STUPID IDIOTS. WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER IT. I THINK -- I THINK THE HEADLINE NEEDS TO NOTIFY PEOPLE IF IT SAYS NOTICE OF STATE REQUIRED AND STATE PREEMPTED APPROVAL. THAT MEANS THAT -- WHAT IT IS TELLING THEM LOUD AND CLEAR, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY INPUT ON IT. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I THINK ANY TIME YOU SEND OUT A NOTICE FOR REZONINGS AND ALCOHOL AND OTHER THINGS WERE THERE, I THINK IT IS A GREAT IDEA. AND IT WILL BRING THOSE FOUR AND THOSE NOT FOUR TOGETHER TO COME HERE WITH A HEARING AND SEE WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT. AND THE GOVERNMENT GETS A GOOD CONTACT AND RESULTS FROM LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE. >>CATE WELLS: NO, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS DON'T COME BEFORE COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. THEY ARE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE SIGN I SAW HAD THREE THINGS THAT I JUST MENTIONED. >>CATE WELLS: I UNDERSTAND, THE SIGNS THAT THE CITY CURRENTLY HAVE WOULD NOT WORK FOR THAT PURPOSE BECAUSE OF THAT. WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE AN EXPECTATION BY THE PUBLIC THAT THEY WILL SOMEHOW HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS OR INFLUENCE THE OUTCOME. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT YOU COME BACK -- DO YOU NEED AN ORDINANCE LANGUAGE? DO YOU WANT -- >>CATE WELLS: NO. DEPENDING ON COUNCIL'S MOTION, WE WILL AMEND THE MOTION. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND ON THAT. >>CATE WELLS: THAT HAS BEEN FINALIZED LAST YEAR DOCUMENTING HOW IT WILL BE IMPLEMENTED. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WOULD LIKE A MOTION THAT WE AMEND THE MEMO WITH YOUR SUGGESTIONS OF THE 300 FEET, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, FIVE-DAY WINDOW. ALL OF THE THIS I THINK SO THAT YOU DESCRIBED. AND ALSO BRING BACK AND YOU ALL CAN -- IS IT TWO MONTHS ENOUGH TIME TO CREATE SOME -- TO BRING BACK -- IT IS JUNE 20, SO END OF. AUGUST 22 AUGUST 22 IS FULL. SO WE WILL GO TO SEPTEMBER 5 TO INCLUDE SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT WE MENTIONED. THE -- MAYBE A DIFFERENT COLOR HIGHLIGHTING THE FACT THIS ISN'T A CITY. AGAIN, JUST PLAY AROUND WITH IT AND WE WILL GIVE YOU SOME SUGGESTIONS IF YOU WANT TO E-MAIL IT BEFORE -- AHEAD OF TIME TO GIVE SUGGESTIONS. BUT THAT WAY WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH IT AND JUST TAKE SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS WE MENTIONED AND PASS IT ALONG. I THINK MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WITH THE MOTION. COUNCILMAN MIRANDA WITH THE SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM 85. WE RECEIVED A MEMO FROM MISS OCEA WYNN REGARDING THIS ITEM. YES SIR? GO AHEAD, SIR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SIMILAR TO WHAT COUNCILMAN VIERA SAID. SHE WAS HERE AND WAITED FOR A WHILE. I DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS A NEED TO HAVE HER SIT. WE -- THEY REACHED AN AGREEMENT. THEY ARE GOING -- THE CITY IS GOING TO -- WE HAD THIS AS A MOTION TO FUND THEM. THEY WILL PROVIDE $20,000 TO FUND THEIR SUMMER PROGRAMS. IN LIGHT OF THE SULPHUR SPRINGS POOL. AND WORKING WITH THEM TO APPLY FOR THE $75,000 FOR THE FY '25 BUDGET. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU KNOW, I THINK -- YEAH, ACTUALLY I THINK WE ALREADY DID. I CAN SAY WE -- I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND OUR PREVIOUS REQUEST FOR FY '24 TO $20,000. >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY. FOR $20,000 FOR '24. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: 20,000 '24. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I WILL SECOND IT THEN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION BY CLENDENIN AND SECOND BY HENDERSON. COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU WANTED TO SPEAK ON 87? >>LUIS VIERA: MISS WYNN HAS BEEN WONDERFUL TO WORK WITH AND I PROPOSE SIMILAR HOW WE HAVE A HISPANIC ADVISORY BOARD, ONE FOR VETERANS. ETC., TO HAVE- AND WE ARE WORKING ON THAT TOGETHER. INTERESTED IN IT. OT OF FOLKS - AND THAT'S IT. IT SHOULDN'T NEED TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND I DIDN'T WANT MISS WYNN WHO IS EXTREMELY BUSY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM NUMBER 9. MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. MR. MULKEY WILL BE ATTENDING VIRTUALLY. IS TONY MULKEY ON. THERE HE IS. HELLO, SIR. >>TONY MULKEY: GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR. TONY MULKEY, PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR. I'M HERE VIRTUALLY TO PROVIDE INFORMATION FOR COUNCIL AND COMPOUND REGARDING THE HISTORY OF YELLOWJACKETS AND THE POTENTIAL FOR THEM MOVING BACK TO THEIR ORIGINAL LOCATION AS IT HAS BEEN KIND OF BANDIED ABOUT FOR A LITTLE BIT. THE YELLOWJACKETS HAVE A LONG HISTORY IN THE CITY, AND THEY PRODUCED A LOT PROVE PLAYERS IN THE NFL, THE MLB AND MINOR LEAGUES ALONG THE WAY. THE DEVELOPMENT FOR THE KIDS IS JUST BEEN PHENOMENAL. AND MR. WRIGHT, WHO SPOKE YOU WITH EARLIER, HAS BEEN A TRUE ADVOCATE FOR THE ORGANIZATION. PART OF THE GROWTH OF WEST TAMPA DISPLACED THE LEAGUE BACK IN 2018. THE YELLOW JACKETS LITTLE LEAGUE FIELDS WERE REMOVED FROM THE DEDICATED PARKS LIST THROUGH AN ACTION BY COUNCIL. AT THAT TIME, THEY DID RELOCATE TO CALVIN TAYLOR PARK. AND WE HAVE PROCEEDED TO TRY TO IMPROVE THAT SPACE FOR THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY, AND WE CONTINUE TO SEEK OUT WAYS TO ENHANCE THEIR EXPERIENCE OUT THERE. THE -- THE IDEA THAT THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO RETURN TO THEIR ORIGINAL HOME UNFORTUNATELY IS NOT AVAILABLE BECAUSE THAT HAS BEEN A PART OF THE ROME YARD DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. THE ZONING HAS BEEN CHANGED FOR THE PROPERTY. AND IT IS UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE -- WITH THE CONTRACTORS THAT ARE WORKING ON THAT PROJECT. SOME IT IS NO LONGER IN CITY HANDS ESSENTIALLY. I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND ELEMENTS TO THIS AND RESPECTFUL OF EVERYBODY'S TIME AND FOCUS ON ANYTHING THAT ANYBODY HAS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. YOUR MOTION FIRST AND THEN GO TO COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. MULKEY. YOU PROVIDED ME WITH A REPORT. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE TOPICS, YELLOW JACKETS' FIELD THAT EXISTED FROM EVEN BEFORE WINNING THE SEAT ON COUNCIL AND SERVING DISTRICT 5. SIMPLY PUT, WHAT YOU JUST SAID, THAT IS NOW PART OF THE RIVERFRONT DEVELOPMENT OR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE WEST RIVER PRO PROJECT. PEOPLE DID NOT KNOW THAT. THAT IN SIMPLE TERMS NEED TO BE PRESENTED PUBLICLY SO MY OFFICE DOESN'T HAVE TO CONTINUE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. I WANT TO SAY FROM A HISTORICAL STANDPOINT FROM CITY COUNCIL ACTION AS MR. MULKEY SAID, THE YELLOW JACKETS HAD TO MOVE. AT THAT TIME, THAT IS WHEN THE COMMUNITY WAS SUPPOSED TO FIGHT. FIGHT REALLY HARD FOR THAT NOT TO TAKE PLACE. AND EXPRESS YOURSELF IN A HUGE WAY BECAUSE AS HE SAID THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY AND TAKEN AWAY BY A COUNCIL -- A CITY COUNCIL VOTE TO DECIDE TO MOVE YOU SOME PLACE ELSE. AND IT IS NOT BETTER AND I WILL DISPUTE THE FACT THAT MR. MULKEY SAID TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY WE HAVE MADE IMPROVEMENTS. THAT IS NOT TRUE. IT IS NOT TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY. AND I WANT EVEN THE ADMINISTRATION -- BECAUSE I KNOW THEY LISTEN TO OUR MEETINGS AS WELL -- IS THAT TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY IS DEFINITELY NOT TRUE, IN A HISTORICAL STANDPOINT, THIS IS WHY THE PEOPLE WHO COME AND SPEAK BEFORE US PUBLICLY AND THIS RACIAL RECONCILIATION COMMITTEE THAT NOW EXISTS, IT -- THIS IS -- IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF OUR BUDGET, THIS IS THE LITTLE THINGS THAT REALLY PISS BLACK PEOPLE OFF. YOU TOOK AWAY THEIR PARK. AND THEY ARE ANGRY. AND THEY HAVE BEEN ANGRY FOR A VERY LONG TIME. I AM ACTUALLY MAD ABOUT IT TOO. BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN SITTING THERE OVERGROWING. THE -- THE DEVELOPER HAVEN'T ESTABLISHED THAT IT BELONGS TO THEM. AND I SAID THAT TO THE MAYOR AS WELL AND TO THE CHIEF OF STAFF. I AM LIKE, WELL, IF IT BELONGS TO THE PROJECT, THEN IT NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE THAT. THEY NEED TO WRAP IT UP AND SAY WHAT IS COMING BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE AN OVERGROWN PARK THAT YOU TOOK FROM THEM AND LOOKS LIKE A BASEBALL FIELD THAT HAS BEEN ABANDONED AND HAVEN'T BEEN ADDRESSED .THAT IS DISRESPECTFUL BECAUSE YOU TOOK IT AWAY A LONG TIME AGO. HOW ABOUT THIS. THEY COULD STAY HERE LIKE RIGHT NOW. THEY COULD BE HERE RIGHT NOW WHILE YOU CREATE SOMETHING SPECIAL FOR THEM. AND WE DIDN'T DO THAT. HOW CAN WE GO ABOUT MAKING THESE DECISIONS. IT IS MY JOB RIGHT NOW UP HERE TO ADDRESS THINGS LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT WAS NOT HANDLED PROPERLY. A HISTORICAL PLACE TO ASK FOR A HISTORICAL LANDMARK WHAT YOU HAVE TO YOU DO FOR BLACK FOLKS BECAUSE IT IS GONE. YOU NEED TO PUT A MARKER THERE TO RECOGNIZE IT. THIS PASSIONATE PLEA OF MINE TO BRING IT PUBLICLY WILL HAPPEN ON QUITE A FEW THINGS. THE START OF THIS STARTS NOW. I DO APPRECIATE YOUR REPORT. IT IS NO LONGER IN OUR HANDS IS NOW IS TOWARD THE DEVELOPERS. AND IF IT IS IN YOUR HANDS, THE YELLOW JACKETS CURRENT AND WHAT WE CAN DO IS TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY. AND IF YOU HEARD A PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY, I'M HEARING TO IT FOR THE FIRST TIME THAT A YOUNG GIRL SAID THAT WE NEED A PARK IN PALMA CEIA AND THEY GOT A PARK, A BASEBALL PARK OR SOFTBALL PARK, WHATEVER IT IS. JUST THAT SIMPLE. WE DEFINITELY NEED TO DO BETTER. THE -- THE -- AND THE WAY WE DO T THAT IS THROUGH -- AND I AM SAYING THIS THROUGH OUR NEWLY FORMED RACIAL RECOGNITION COMMITTEE YOU LOOK AT WAYS AND SUGGESTIONS TO LOOK AT THINGS LIKE AND SAY, HEY, WHAT CAN WE TO DO IMPROVE THAT AND MAKE IT BETTER. GUESS WHAT, IT WILL COST SOME MONEY. IT WILL COST SOME MONEY. AND THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE. SO WHEN YOU ALL COME AND MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. I AM NOT GOING TO DO IT BY MYSELF, BUT WHEN YOU ALL COME AND START FIGHTING -- NOT JUST COMPLAINING BUT FIGHTING AND TRYING TO KEEP WHAT -- WHAT ACTUALLY REMAINS, THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. I WATCH COMMUNITIES COME IN HERE AND THEY WILL KEEP US HERE UNTIL 3:00 IN THE MORNING. WE WILL FILL THIS CHAMBER UPSTAIRS. WE WILL PLACE THEM ALL OVER THE BUILDING. THEY FIGHT FOR WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN. AND YOU HAVE TO DO THAT TOO. YOU CAN'T JUST COME AND COMPLAIN FOR YOUR THREE MINUTES AND FOUR OR FIVE PEOPLE AND THINK THAT IS GOING TO BE IT. YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THE POWER OF YOUR COMMUNITY COMING IN AND NOT WAITING UNTIL IT IS GONE BECAUSE NOTHING THAT YOUR CITY COUNCILWOMAN CAN DO ABOUT IT. BUT THE PART THAT SAYS "TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY" THAT IS THE PART THAT WE CAN CHALLENGE ALL OF US UP HERE AND IN OUR ADMINISTRATION TO MAKE WEST TAMPA YELLOW JACKETS HOLD WHEREVER -- WHEREVER THEY LAND WHEREVER THEY LAND. IF THEY ARE THERE OR CURRENTLY ARE NOW WHICH IS TERRIBLE. THERE ARE NO LIGHTS. THEY DID DO THE YARD I THINK WHEN THEY FIRST WENT OVER THERE. MR. -- WHAT IS HIS NAME, MR. WRIGHT -- Y'ALL, MR. WRIGHT GAVE ME JUST SO MUCH DOCUMENTATION AN THINGS THAT ARE PROMISED TO HIM. NOT JUST FOR HIM BUT TO THE YELLOW JACKETS. I WANT THIS TO BE THE FIGHT OF THE COUNCIL. TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE. MAMA SAID GOT TO SQUEEZE BLOOD OUT OF A TURNIP BECAUSE THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY DOES NOT EXIST FOR THE YELLOW JACKETS. ALL I AM GOING TO SAY ON THAT. I THANK YOU MR. MULKEY TO SAY WHAT IS TRUE. THAT PROPERTY CANNOT LONGER GO BACK TO THE YELLOW JACKETS AND THAT DECISION WAS MADE BY COUNCIL A WHILE AGO EVEN THOUGH THE LAND IS SITTING UNUSED BY NOW. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IN HISTORY, 1957 WHEN I STARTED AT JEFFERSON GET WHAT, THE OLD JEFFERSON. WE DIDN'T HAVE A BALL PARK AND PLAYING DIAMOND. YEAH, WE HAD TO PLAY TRACK. YES, WE HAD TO RUN TRACK. PRIOR TO ME GETTING THERE IN '54, THEY DIDN'T HAVE A GYM. THE BASKETBALL FELLAS AND THE BOYS AND GIRLS BASKETBALL HAD TO PRACTICE WHERE IN? IN THE AUDITORIUM. AND WE HAD TO COMPETE AGAINST TWO SCHOOLS. ONLY THREE HIGH SCHOOLS. PLANT AND HILLSBOROUGH. GUESS WHAT, THEY HAD IT. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, WHEN WE PLAYED JEFFERSON, JEFFERSON WAS VERY COMPETITIVE. AND IT WASN'T ME. I DIDN'T PLAY NO SPORTS AT JEFFERSON, BUT I AM TELLING YOU, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM. AND EXPERIENCED SOME OF THE STUFF. AND YOU DIDN'T HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE COMING OUT ON '66 AND '67. THE OLD JEFFERSON. SAYS IT NO GOOD FOR US AND YET IT IS A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING. AND WE HAD TO LEAVE THE SCHOOL. NOT I, BUT THE PEOPLE LEFT OF ME TO GO TO ANOTHER SCHOOL. BUT I CAN REMEMBER THE YELLOW JACKETS SOMEWHERE IN THE MID-80s. THEY PLAY WELL FOR A CHAMPIONSHIP GAME. AND ONE KID THAT I SAW PLAY. AND I THINK HE WAS DRAFTED FIRST OR SECOND BY THE DODGERS. I NEVER FORGET HIS NAME. HIS NAME WAS KIKI JONES. ALL I SAW WAS BLUR WHEN HE THREW THE BALL. I DIDN'T SEE THE BALL. A GREAT GAME AND BIG YOUNG MAN. HE WAS DRAFTED. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE HE DID. I DIDN'T FOLLOW HIM. THEY WERE COMPETITIVE IN EVERYTHING THAT THEY DID. SO WE WILL GET HIM BACK TO DO SOMETHING AT THAT PLACE. THAT IS HERITAGE. LIKE GOING BACK. ANNUAL OF US WHO MADE CASCADIAN. CASCADIAN PARK REDONE AGAIN. BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS, WHEN PEOPLE GET OUR AGE, NOT MY AGE, BUT YAGE. DON'T HAVE TOO MANY KIDS. YOU NEED A POPULATION REINVESTED. THAT IS WHAT YOU SEE LITTLE LEAGUE WITH WEST TAMPA GO DOWN. NOT THAT IT WENT DOWN. CHILDBEARING PEOPLE ARE NOT THERE BUT NOW THEY ARE COMING IN AND YOU WILL SEE THAT PARK TO WHAT IT IS IN THE NEXT THREE OR FOUR YEARS. IT TAKES ALONG TIME PLANTING AN ACORN AND WATCHING A TREE GROW. AND YOU JUST DON'T GET THOSE THINGS OVERNIGHT. YOU CAN'T REJUVENATE A PARK OVERNIGHT AND I AM TALKING OF THE WEST TAMPA EXPERIENCE PAUSE TAKES YOUNG PEOPLE WHO HAVE KIDS TO STAY THERE AND BE PART OF THE ACTION. SO I APPRECIATE THAT AND I TELL YOU WHAT, ANY KID, MALE OR FEMALE, THAT EVER STAYED IN ONE PARK NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO IN LIFE WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER THE PARK WHERE THEY PLAYED AT. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CORPORAL. >>COURTNEY ORR: I JUST WANT TO THANK COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. I APPRECIATE YOUR PASSION, YOUR PERSPECTIVE, THE HISTORY, ESPECIALLY THIS LATE IN THE DAY. I RAN FOR OFFICE FOR TWO REASONS, ONE TO FIX THE MISTAKES OF THE PAST AND THE OTHER TO CREATE A BETTER VISION FOR OUR CITY. I AM 100% BEHIND YOU. IF YOU FIND THINGS -- BECAUSE OF YOUR PERSPECTIVE IN NETWORK. YOU HAVE -- YOU HAVE ACCESS TO INFORMATION THAT -- THAT ALL OF US DON'T HAVE AND NOT EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY HAS AND LOOKING FORWARD TO LEARNING AND HEARING MORE OF THAT AND SUPPORTING YOU 100% IN TRYING TO WRITE SOME OF THE WRONGS. THANK YOU. >>GWEN HENDERSON: GO AHEAD. I WILL BRING UP SOMETHING ON NEW I WILL WAIT FOR NEW BUSINESS TO SAVE THE BEST PART. SO GO AHEAD. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: I WANTED TO SHARE THE SENTIMENTS WHICH IS I REMEMBER WHEN ROBIN BROUGHT THIS ISSUE UP WITH THE RACIAL RECONCILIATION COMMITTEE. AND THAT IS THE SPIRIT BEHIND IT. GOOD AMERICANS AND DU DUDU DUDE TAMPANOSS TO BUILD BRIDGES AND MAKE THINGS RIGHT ON THIS ISSUE. THESE ARE THE KIND OF ISSUES THAT THAT COMMITTEE IS SUPPOSED TO LOOK INTO AND HELP US LISTEN AND HELP US JUST DO BETTER ON ISSUES OF JUSTICE AND EQUITY THAT CAUSE ME TO RUN FOR OFFICE AND WHO ARE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT. I AGREE WITH THOSE SENTIMENT THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID OF LISTENING TO YOU AND DOING EVERYBODY WE CAN TO SUPPORT YOU ON THIS ISSUE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT CONCLUDES THE AGENDA. GEL GO TO NEW BUSINESS. THE BEST PART. I WILL START OFF CONGRATULATING MR. SHELBY ON 20 YEARS OF SERVICE TO THE CITY. [APPLAUSE] APPRECIATE YOU VERY MUCH. WHAT WAS YOUR EXACT DATE AGAIN? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: STILL HAVE THE FIRST PAYCHECK? >>MARTIN SHELBY: ACTUALLY -- THIS IS NOT MY ORIGINAL ID. I BELIEVE IT WAS JUNE 15, 004. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT. AND -- I WOULD LIKE TO WISH MARY BRIAN A VERY HAPPY EARLY BIRTHDAY. HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MARY BRYANT. I KNOW YOU ARE LISTENING. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 27 YEARS OLD. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DO YOU HAVE NEW BUSINESS? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES, I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE ON ITEM 72. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE POSSIBLY AN ACCOUNT ON WHERE WE ARE GOING AND WHAT CALENDAR. THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, MAYOR, CHIEF OF STAFF, THE BOARD OF REALTORS GET TOGETHER ON A WORKSHOP TOP WORK THESE THINGS OUT SO WE CAN NOT POINT FINGERS OR THE PERSON WHOEVER DID THE WRONG, TO MAKE THAT PERSON RESPONSIBLE. I AM NOT HERE TO -- IT IS JUST GOING TO GO OFF WHEREVER THIS IS GOING TO MUSHROOM. NOT THE FIRST CASE I HAVE TO TALK TO. I HAVE TWO OR THREE. AND THAT WILL GET MUCH BIGGER WHEN WE GROW. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A FORMAL MOTION. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. GIVE ME ONE DAY ON THE CALENDAR. I DON'T CARE WHAT DAY IT IS. >>BILL CARLSON: YOU ARE TRYING TO FIX THE PROBLEM OF SOMEONE DOING ILLEGAL WORK. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHOEVER INHERITS THIS, AND BUYS THE THING. A LOT OF DUE DILIGENCE. IN MY OPINION, THEY HAVE DONE MOST OF IT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS THE OCCASION. MAY I MAKE SUGGESTION? PERHAPS SEPTEMBER 19. DO IT AS A WRITTEN STAFF REPORT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: A FINE GATE DAYTONA FOR ME SHELBY SDHOELZ IT AS A WRITTEN STAFF REPORT AND ASSESS WHERE YOU WANT TO TAKE IT THERE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: INVITE THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, MAYOR, CHIEF OF STAFF, US AND SOMEBODY FROM THE BOARD OF REALTORS COME TOGETHER AND TRY TO WORK THIS THINGS UP. >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU WANT A WORKSHOP. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO SEPTEMBER 26. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: FINE FOR ME 250. A MOTION AND A SECOND. >>BILL CARLSON: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY OPPOSED? >>MARTIN SHELBY: NOT A WRITTEN REPORT BUT A WORKSHOP. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SEPTEMBER 26 WORKSHOP. BEFORE MOTIONS KEEP GETTING MADE, AUGUST 2, 2024 IS VERY, VERY FULL. IF YOU HAVE ANY MOTIONS FOR THAT DAY, I SUGGEST ANOTHER DATE. COUNCILMAN VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: NO I DON'T HAVE ANY. I DIDN'T SAY THIS PUBLICLY WHEN THE BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD WAS HERE BUT JOE WHO MANY OF YOU KNOW SERVED TO THEREIN FOR SEVEN AND A HALF YEARS IS LEAVING. NOTHING JUST TIME CONSTRAINTS AND FAMILY AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF. I WANTED TO THANK HIM -- YOU KNOW WHAT, ACTUALLY, I WILL. I WILL DO -- PROBABLY DO AN OFF-PREMISE BUT TAMPA COMMENDATION. >>GWEN HENDERSON: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. >>LUIS VIERA: VERY LIKELY. AND WE ARE GETTING ANOTHER JOE ON THAT BOARD AND MANY OF YOU ARE FRIENDS WITH JOE GRECO. I AM APPOINTING MY MAIN MAN, MICE FRIEND JOE GRECO TO THE CITIZENS BOARD. I LOVE JOE. HE IS -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO THAT BY MOTION NOW. SEE IF I HAVE TO FORMALIZE -- YOUR INTENT, BY THE WAY, COUNCILMAN. I HAVEN'T BEEN IN TOUCH WITH MR. GRECO. IF YOU AS A MOTION WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT AND FIVE TO BRING SOMETHING IN WRITING, I WILL. >>LUIS VIERA: MAY I MAKE THAT NOW? IF I MAY, JOE GRECO TO BE APPOINTED TO THE CITIZENS ADVISORY BOARD OF THE CITY OF TAMPA. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA AND SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>LUIS VIERA: AND YOU RETURN A RESOLUTION. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WILL DO IT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: QUICK QUESTION. DOESN'T VERY TO FILL OUT THE APPLICATION GO THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE DIRECTLY APPOINT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: UH-O. I STAND CORRECTED. THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN. WHAT YOU SHOULD DO WITHHOLD THAT AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. >>LUIS VIERA: SHOULD I RESCIND THAT MOTION? >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, PLEASE. >>LUIS VIERA: I RESCIND THAT MOTION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: RESCIND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>LUIS VIERA: I DIDN'T ANTICIPATE MAKING IT ANYWAY. THAT'S IT IT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCIL, ONE MORE THING. WHILE ON THE SUBJECT OF NEW BUSINESS. A GOOD TIME TO REMIND YOU OF YOUR NEW RULE, RULE 7B. COUNCILMEMBERS -- COUNCILMEMBERS SHOULD CLEAR AN AVAILABLE DATE ON THE CALENDAR BEFORE MAKING A MOTION FOR AN ITEM TO BE PLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA. EACH DISTRICT OFFICE IS RESPONSIBILITY FOR CONFIRMING AVAILABILITY OF SPACE ON THE CALENDAR BEFORE A MOTION IS MADE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU FOR THAT. I WILL NEED A LITTLE GRACE FOR NEW RULES. EVEN FOR NEW RULES, THE TARDY POLICY, GIVE THEM TIME TO GET USED TO THE TARDY POLICY. WE WILL GET THERE AND I THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT. A COUPLE OF THINGS. A HOT WEEK FOR ME, SO I GOT TO KEEP IT GOING PLEASE BEAR WITH ME. FIRST ONE IS THE YELLOW JACKETS. SINCE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS MOVING FORWARD WITH THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AFRICAN-AMERICAN CULTURAL ARTS CENTER ON A DIFFERENT SITE, I WOULD LIKE FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO REPORT ON WHAT AMENDMENTS CAN BE MADE TO THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT FOR ROME YARD TO MAKER IS IRS CONSIDERATION FOR THE YELLOW JACKETS ON THAT PROPERTY. >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA. >>GWEN HENDERSON: EVERYTHING WILL BE SEPTEMBER 5 BECAUSE THAT IS AVAILABLE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AND YOU CHECKED. MOTON AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. THAT IS SEPTEMBER 5. >>GWEN HENDERSON: SECOND ONE. DARLENE NEEDS TO GO TO THE PODIUM FOR A LITTLE VISUAL ON THIS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU NEED YOEFRT HEAD. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES. WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY ON JULIAN B. LANE. IT IS TREATED LIKE COUNTRY CLUB. THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T HAVE FULL ACCESS TO THIS PLACE. AND OUR CURRENT POLICY IN TERMITES OF WHO GETS TO CATER THERE IS SOMETHING THAT I AM CONSTANTLY WORKING ON AND DOING HOMEWORK ON. HERE IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS -- THAT HAPPENS. IF SOMEONE WANTS TO PARTICULARLY CATER -- AND WILL HAVE TO BE A PART OF LISTED ON OUR LIST. AND SO, I WANT TO YOU DROP DOWN -- DROP DOWN THE PICTURES FIRST. YEAH, THAT IS FIRST. SO THEY SAY THAT THIS -- THIS SPACE. WE HAVE SEVEN OR EIGHT APPROVED CATERERS. AN EVENT BY CREATIVE LOAFING THAT IS CALLED EVERY YEAR CALLED "BRUNCHED." AND HAPPENS A JULIAN B. LANE PARK. THE PART THAT IS IMPORTANT, IT SAYS "ALL YOU CAN EAT." THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT, BUT THIS EVENT HAPPENS AT JULIAN B. LANE PARK. DARLENE, I WANT TO YOU DROP DOWN THE OTHER ONE. HERE ARE THE FOOD VENDORS THAT PARTICIPATE IN THIS EVENT THAT ARE NOT ON OUR CATERING LIST. I WANT YOU -- THAT HAS TO SIT THERE FOR A WHILE AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS. THESE ARE THE CATERS. NONE OF THEM ARE APPROVED AND DID NOT GO THROUGH AN APPLICATION PROCESS, BUT SOMEHOW, THEY GET TO BRING FOOD IN THE RIVER CENTER. NOW OTHER PEOPLE HAVE COME TO ME AND SAID, HEY, I WANT TO USE SUCH AND SUCH PERSON. I HAVE A PERSON I WANT TO USE FOR THE RIVER CENTER AND CONSTANTLY TOLD BY OUR STAFF, NO, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ON THE CATERING LIST. THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT LISTED. I ASKED FOR ALL THE DOCUMENTATION. AND NOWHERE ANYWHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE LISTED TO DO BUSINESS IN THE RIVER CENTER. SO I WOULD LIKE FOR ADMINISTRATION TO REPORT PUBLICLY BECAUSE THIS IS WHY WE DO IT PUBLICLY. AND EVERY ASPECT OF THIS PARTICULAR EVENT IN PARTICULAR THAT HAPPENS YEAR AFTER YEAR AT JULIAN B. LANE. I WANT FOR THE STAFF TO REPORT WHY IT HAPPENS, IS IT CONTRACTUALLY BOUND, WHEN IT OCCURS, HOW THEY GET APPROVED AND IF THEY ARE CERTIFIED. IF THEY ARE CERTIFIED, PROVIDE ALL THE APPLICATIONS TO US, ALL THE STAFF MEMBERS. AND THIS REPORT SHOULD COME BACK PUBLICLY ON SEPTEMBER 5. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY, TWO OUT OF THREE. I HAVE ONE MORE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: MY STOMACH HURT ON THIS ONE. OH, MY GOD. I KNOW YOU PROBABLY -- IF YOU WERE A PAPER READER "TAMPA BAY TIMES" AN NATURAL CAME OUT. AND I AM TELLING YOU, I THINK WHEN PEOPLE BRING ME THINGS OR PARTICULARLY THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE WITH -- WITH COLLEGE HILL CEMETERY, WHAT WAS SAID TO ME. I WATCH YOU ON COLONEL AND I BELIEVE YOU ARE GOING TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND SO I DECIDED TO PROVIDE THIS INFORMATION TO THE TAMPA BAY TIMES BECAUSE I RAN INTO THE REPORTER IRONICALLY. I JUST HAVE BEEN SO BUSY AND I WENT ON AND GAVE HIM SOMETHING THAT WAS PROVIDED TO ME AND I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE READ IT. SO WHAT -- THIS IS BIGGER THAN US. AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO WRITE A LETTER TO -- FROM CITY COUNCIL TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA OFFICE. I AM NOT SURE WHICH OFFICE IT IS THAT CAN POSSIBLY OPEN UP AN INVESTIGATION REGARDING COLLEGE HILL CEMETERY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU. LET ME GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE. I HAVE BEEN APPROACHED BY SO MANY MEDIA PEOPLE THAT I DON'T WANT TO MAKE ANY MISTAKES GIVING MY OPINION AND COMMENTS AND WHAT HAVE YOU. BECAUSE THIS IS A SERIOUS MATTER. CEMETERIES HAVE BEEN COMING -- THE CEMETERY ISSUE IS PUBLIC. OUR CONSTITUENTS ARE VERY UPSET OF THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. SO I REALLY FEEL LIKE IT CAN'T BE IN OUR HANDS. WE ARE TOO CLOSE TO IT. WE ARE PART OF THIS COMMUNITY AND A STATE ISSUE TO AT LEAST OPEN UP AN INVESTIGATION. IN FULL TRANSPARENCY, THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAVE REACHED OUT AND I HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO THEM AS WELL. I JUST FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT REGARDING COLLEGE HILL CEMETERY AND THE ITALIAN CLUB, THERE ARE IS A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN US AND I AM HOPE HAPPENING THIS I AM NOT SURE IF THE LETTER WILL COME FROM YOU OR IF IT SHOULD COME FROM ME AND IF YOU WANT FOR IT TO BE INCLUDED IN THE LETTER AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO SO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT COME FROM CITY COUNCIL AS A BODY? >>GWEN HENDERSON: WOULD LIKE TO COME FROM CITY COUNCIL AS BODY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS THE MOTION. >>GWEN HENDERSON: IF YOU NEED TO RECUSE YOURSELF. I THINK COUNCILMAN CARLSON -- >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T HAVE A CONFLICT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU TONIGHT HAVE THE CONFLICT. >>BILL CARLSON: THAT WAS ERRONEOUS OF THE STORY THAT SOMEBODY PITCHED. I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT I READ IN THE MEDIA, IT APPEARS THAT THE CITY WILL BE CULPABLE ON THIS IF IT WAS SOMETHING. THE CITY'S PROPERTY. THE CITY WILL BE THE SUBJECT OF THIS AND THE CITY WILL BE LIABLE. SO, THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO LOOK AT IT, BUT WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS ASK THE STATE FOR HELP IN INVESTIGATING THIS. BECAUSE IT APPEARS THAT IF THERE WAS ANY WRONGDOING ON THE PART OF TATE I. AGAIN I AM ONLY GOING FOR STORIES IN THE MEDIA. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I THINK THEY ARE ALL DOING -- OKAY. IF YOU LOOK AT THE TIME PERIOD WHEN THIS HAPPENED -- WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TIME PERIOD WHEN THIS HAPPENED, THIS IS -- I CAN KEEP IT REAL WITH YOU ALL. JUST THE STRAIGHT-UP DISRESPECT OF THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY AND POSSIBLY THE LATINO COMMUNITY TOO BLATANT AT THIS TIME. COME THING OUT OF THE '70s. IT WAS VERY EASY TO DISREGARD EVEN THE DEAD IF THE LIVING IS BEING DISRESPECTED. SO THE PART OF THE TEXT MESS AGE THAT GOT TO ME WAS WHEN HE SAID TOMBSTONES WERE FLYING ALL OVER THE PLACE. THAT WAS THE MOST EGREGIOUS PART OF IT. WHETHER TRUE OR NOT, I AM NOT HERE TO SAY THAT. BECAUSE I REDACTED THE NAMES INI THINK IT IS ALLEY. NOT JUST THE CITY. THEY ARE PROBABLY PEOPLE LIVING THAT HAVE THE ANSWERS TO THIS A REPORT THAT THE ITALIAN CLUB HAS ACTUALLY HAS AND THEY WON'T RELEASE IT. WE COMPELLED THEM TO. THE PUBLIC HAS SAID IT. I SAID IT IN MY COMMENTS TO A REPORTER ALREADY, BUT WE CAN'T MAKE THEM DO IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE NOW AT LEAST THE STATE BEGINNING THE INVESTIGATION, YOU KNOW, REMOVES US FROM IT. BECAUSE YOU ARE RIGHT. IT IS NOT JUST -- IT IS NOT JUST CITY. ALSO PRIVATE CITIZENS THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE COVERING THIS UP AS WELL. MR. SHELBY, ARE YOU TELLING MR. CARLSON NOT TO SAY ANYTHING? >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO, FORGIVE ME, BUT THERE IS A RULE ABOUT BEING RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR WHEN YOU WANT THE FLOOR. >>GWEN HENDERSON: WE HAVEN'T BEEN FOLLOWING THAT ALL DAY, SO, THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>BILL CARLSON: SORRY IF I INTERRUPTED. OTHER THING HERE -- AGAIN, I AM GOING FOR THE STORIES IN THE PREVIOUS CASES THAT WE LOOKED AT, BUT THERE ARE OTHER CEMETERIES OR PARTS OF CEMETERIES THAT WERE CONVEYED BY THE CITY TO THE HOUSING AUTHORITY AND PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS. AND -- AND THE -- YOU KNOW, SIMILAR DISCUSSIONS HAVE GONE ON. AND I THINK WHAT WE -- I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THOSE WERE RESOLVED. ONE OF THEM WAS A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER -- AND I WON'T MENTION THE NAME THAT HAS A PRETTY BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY AND WANTS -- THIS IS A PRIVATE OWNER THAT SPENT A BUNCH OF MONEY ON PROPERTY TRYING TO BUILD A COMMERCIAL FACILITY. SO IF THE CITY IN THE PAST ON PURPOSE OR ACCIDENTALLY CONVEYED PROPERTY LIKE THAT. AND NOW IT IS IN THE HANDS OF -- OF PRIVATE OWNERS, THERE HAVE GOT TO BE SOME SOLUTION WHAT TO DO. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT IS TRUE -- YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT IS TRUE. THIS IS LIKE A DIALOGUE. NOT NECESSARILY -- BUT IF YOU SAW BODIES COMING OUT OF THE GROUND AND TOMBSTONES, THAT THE POINT WHERE EVEN THOUGH IT WAS PRIVATE PROPERTY, THAT IS WHEN YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO STOP THE TOW TRUCKS. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT OBLIGATION OF RESPONSIBILITY GOES JUST -- YOU KNOW, IT CAN GO IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. WHAT I WOULD LIKE IS, YOU KNOW, FOR -- WE CAN'T JUST LET THE NEWSPAPER REPORT BE THE REPORT. THIS IS JUST LIKE, Y'ALL, PRESENTING RESOLUTION 568, YOU KNOW WHAT I AM SAYING. THESE ARE ONE OF THE HARD THINGS THAT WE AT LEAST GOT TO PUT ON THE TABLE. I CANNOT GO THROUGH MY FOUR IN-YEAR TERM AND WATCH THESE PEOPLE COME IN FRONT OF ME EVERY DAY TALKING ABOUT COLLEGE HILL CEMETERY AND WE JUST STAY SILENT. I CAN'T DO IT. NOT IN GOOD CONSCIOUS. SO I AM TRYING TO AT LEAST INVOLVE THE STATE OR AT LEAST OPENING IT UP WITH THE HELP OF MAYBE OUR REPRESENTATIVE FRANCIS DRISCOL WHO IS ALREADY INVOLVED IN CEMETERY MATTERS. AND JUST TAKING THAT OUT OF OUR HANDS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA. >>GWEN HENDERSON: A LETTER OF SUPPORT -- A LETTER REQUEST TO STATE REPRESENTATIVE FRANCIS DRISCOL TO SEE WHAT CAN POSSIBLY BE DONE TO DIVE INTO THIS ISSUE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR. I AM GLAD TO SECOND THIS NO MATTER WHAT. YOU KNOW, FOR ME, THIS MOVES FORWARD THIS ISSUE. AND THING IS AN ISSUE OF -- OF CITY IN A GREAT, GREAT, GREAT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE I AM GLAD TO SUPPORT THIS FROM REPRESENTATIVE DRISCOL OR THE COMMUNITY. WHOEVER IS CULPABLE, 50/50 TO THE EXTENT, I DON'T CARE. I WANT TO FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED SO WE CAN HAVE SOME -- HOW SHOULD WE SAY IT, SOME RESOLUTION ON THIS ISSUE, AND THAT'S IT. ISSUE THAT IS VERY, VERY PAINFUL FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO. I THINK OF THE LATE ROBERT JOHNSON IN 1934 HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA WAS LYNCHED ON ACCOUNT OF BEING A BLACK MAN AND HE IS BURIED RIGHT NOW AT A PAUPER'S CEMETERY. WE DON'T KNOW WHERE HE LIES. HE WAS DISRESPECTED IN LIFE AND LYNCHED IN LIFE. AND DISRESPECTED IN DEATH. AND THAT IS TRUE FOR APPARENTLY A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE CEMETERIES LIKE THIS. SO ALL WE WANT TO KNOW IS, WHAT HAPPENED SOMEBODY IN I AM CERTAINLY NOT POINTING FINGERS -- ALL I EVER SAID WAS, LOOK, LET THE TRUTH COME OUT. LET THE TRUTH COME TO OUT. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT PUTS -- THAT IS WHAT PUBLIC OFFICE IS FOR TO USE YOUR OFFICE TO DO THE RIGHT THING. IF YOU CAN'T STAND THE HEAT, I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE TO STAY OUT OF THE KITCHEN AS HARRY TRUMAN SAYS. THIS PUTS US ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS ISSUE AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU, AGAIN, DEFER TO OUR ATTORNEY, BUT WRITE IT TO WHOMEVER IT MAY BE TO GET EVERYBODY INVOLVED NOT JUST HOUSE MAJORITY LEADER DRISCOL WHO I LOVE TO DEATH AN ONE OF MY FAVORITE ELECTED OFFICIALS IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND A DEAR FRIEND OF MINE, BUT TO EVERYBODY, TO THE EXTENT WHERE IT IS APPROPRIATE. I DON'T WANT TO WRITE -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON'S OFFICE TO BE ABLE TO PREPARE A COURSE OF ACTION AND THEN WE CAN BRING IN YOUR OFFICE WHEN SOMETHING IS READY TO BE GIVEN TO PUT ON STATIONARY PERHAPS AND BROUGHT TO COUNCIL IF YOU WISH OR DEPENDS -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: I WANT TO GET THIS RIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE TO RUSH A MOTION. WE CAN TAKE THAT THANK BACK AT THE LAST PARAGRAPH OF THE ARTICLE WHICH I DO APPRECIATE. I SAID A LOT WHEN I TALKED TO HIM. BUT, YOU KNOW, I AM ALWAYS ABOUT FORGIVENESS. IT JUST FREES YOU UP FOR SO MUCH. ESPECIALLY AS A -- YOU KNOW, AS A BLACK WOMAN AND REALLY LEARNING HISTORY, THE GOOD STUFF, AND THE HARD STUFF, AND THE TERRIBLE STUFF, YOU KNOW, I AM CONSTANTLY TURNING OVER FORGIVENESS. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. THAT IT IS -- WHATEVER IT IS, - THE TOUGH PART OF IT, IT IS OUR JOB TO FORGIVE SO WE CAN HEAL. AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT. SO I WILL -- THAT ONE IS VERY -- THERE IS NO MOTION, CHAIR. I WILL WORK WITH MY CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY AND BRING BACK SOMETHING JUST -- JUST TO FINE TUNE IT SO WE CAN GET IT RIGHT THAT YOU CAN SUPPORT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. IF YOU WERE DONE? COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: I AM SORRY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT, WAIT. WE ARE STILL DISCUSSING IT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I AM DONE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I HAVE A REQUEST. >>BILL CARLSON: I JUST WANT TO ADD ONE THING. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DO HAVE A REQUES THOUGH. I THOUGHT THE WAY YOU FRAMED THAT MOTION AND IT WAS SECONDED AND -- THERE WAS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. YOU CAN WITHDRAW IT, BUT I THINK IF YOU AMENDED IT THE WAY YOU SAID TO WORK WITH THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY TO BRING SOMETHING TO COUNCIL. IT IS IN THE RECORD AND WILL BE IN THE ACTION SUMMARY AND WILL BE MEMORIALIZED THAT YOU TOOK THIS ACTION TODAY. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I NEED THE ADVICE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. ANY NEW BUSINESS? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT DAME FROM MISS ZELMAN WITH REGARDS TO SOME OF THE LIVE LOCAL THINGS. I REQUEST THAT LEGAL STAFF AND CITY ADMINISTRATION PROVIDE A WRITTEN REPORT TO CITY COUNCIL ON WHETHER THE CITY CAN AND SHOULD DO WHAT PASCO COUNTY DID AND OPT OUT OF THE PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSE IN THE 80% TO 120% RANGE OF AMI. I AM REQUESTING THE WRITTEN STAFF REPORT COME BACK AUGUST 1. IT IS NOT A -- IT IS A -- IT IS SIMPLY A WRITTEN REPORT AND FROM THE WRITTEN REPORT WE CAN DECIDE WHAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>BILL CARLSON: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSE? >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, ON THE AGENDA ON AUGUST 1, THE ITALIAN CLUB IS SLATED TO COME AND TALK ABOUT THE CEMETERY. SO JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY ABOUT THAT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHAT DAY ARE THEY COMING? >>LYNN HURTAK: AUGUST 1. JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT THERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: YES, TWO, PLEASE. STEVE MICHELINI WAS SPEAKING EARLIER ABOUT A SECURITY PLAN FOR YBOR. AND I FOLLOWED UP WITH HIM AND HAD A DISCUSSION. THE IDEA IS THAT IF -- TO -- TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE CRA MONEY IN YBOR FOR -- FOR SECURITY. WE NEED TO HAVE A SECURITY PLAN. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK CITY STAFF TO REPORT IN PERSON ON SEPTEMBER 5 AS TO THE POSSIBILITY OF CREATING A SAFETY AND SECURITY PLAN FOR YBOR CITY THAT WILL COMPLY WITH CRA FUNDING RULES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROMkt. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA. ANYTHING ELSE, SIR? >>BILL CARLSON: SECOND ONE. A LOT OF DEPARTURES IN THE CITY AND GETTING CALLS FROM ALMOST EVERY DEPARTMENT ABOUT MORALE AND HOW PEOPLE FEEL. THAT A SEPARATE ISSUE FOR ANOTHER DAY, BUT I HAD A COUPLE OF EMPLOYEES ASK ME OR SUGGEST A POSITIVE IDEA THAT COULD BE HELPFUL. YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IN SOME DEPARTMENTS, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE RETIRING. SO WE HAVE A VOID OF LEADERSHIP. SO WHAT HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDED TO ME IS THAT WE ASK THE ADMINISTRATION ABOUT -- ABOUT LEADERSHIP TRAINING PROGRAMS TO DEVELOP INTERNAL LEADERS TO -- SO THEY CAN TAKE OVER AND LEAD IN PROGRAMS. I UNDERSTAND BEFORE ANDREA COMES IN, THAT IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTION, BUT I WOULD AT LEAST LIKE THE STAFF TO -- TO TALK ABOUT IT PUBLICLY. SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK CITY STAFF TO REPORT SEPTEMBER 5 AS A POSSIBILITY TO PROVIDE LEADERSHIP TRAINING FOR MIDS TO SENIOR LEVEL EMPLOYEES TO DEVELOP INTERNAL LEADERS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON. SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANYTHING ELSE, SIR? NO? COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. YOU SAID YOU HAVE SOMETHING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I NEGLECTED. IT WAS FROM PARKLAND ESTATES. WHEN THEY HAD THAT TORRENTIAL RAIN THIS PAST WEEK, I HAPPENED TO -- I WENT OVER AND LOOKED AT PARKLAND ESTATES. THE FLOODING WAS HORRIFIC. I AM IN MY CAR AND UP ALMOST GOT SWAMPED. SEVERAL CARS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SWAMPED. WATER -- IT WAS PROBABLY THREE FEET DEEP ON THE STREETS AND -- I DIDN'T SEE ANYBODY IN THE HOUSE BUS IT WAS BAD. YOU COULD NOT GO -- YOU COULD NOT ACCESS MAJOR PARTS OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. COMPLETELY INACCESSIBLE. WATER WAS FLOWING DOWN AND REPRESENTING THE MITIGATION ISSUES. ISSUE THERE IS ARE ABSOLUTELY REAL. I KNOW WE -- THERE HAS OPINION A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND I TALKED TO VIK OF THIS, THE IDEA OF GOING THROUGH BRISTOL -- I WANT THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY TO LISTEN THAT IT IS OFF THE TABLE. A PARK-LIKE STREET. NO WAY IN THE WORLD THEY NEED TO PURSUE, YOU KNOW, THE SWANN, HOWARD TO OPTION, OTHER OPTION. SO THE ISSUE HAS TO BE RESOLVED. WHAT THEY CAME FORWARD BEFORE WAS A NONSTARTER. THEY NEED TO LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS. AND PUT THIS -- NUT NOTION THAT THEY WILL GO ON BRISTOL TO BED. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I MAKE A G. - MOTION THAT THE CITY ELIMINATE THE IDEA OF USING BRISTOL AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THESE -- FOR THESE. AND BYPASS THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS THEY WORK TO RESOLVE THE FLOODING ISSUE. >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND WITH AN AMENDMENT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES, MA'AM. >>LYNN HURTAK: AS COUNCIL WE WILL NOT VOTE FOR A PLAN OR FUNDING TO GO BEHIND IT THAT PUTS IT ON BRISTOL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I CONCUR. >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHEN I WENT ON THE TOUR AND FOLLOWED UP -- HURTAK USUALLY TELLS ME TO DO THAT. THEY SAID THEY DEFINITELY WEREN'T GOING TO PUT IT ON BRISTOL. THEY DIDN'T TELL YOU? >>LYNN HURTAK: DID YOU READ THE E-MAIL? >>GWEN HENDERSON: I DIDN'T READ IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEY ARE STILL LOOKING -- ALL THE OPTIONS ARE ON THE TABLE STILL. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT WAS A VERBAL CONVERSATION, OKAY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'LL ALSO ASK A FAVOR OF THAT OR JUST THINKING IT THROUGH, YOU SHOULD REQUEST A WRITTEN RESPONSE TO THAT MOTION BY A CERTAIN DATE AS A WRITTEN REPORT BECAUSE WHAT YOU MIGHT NEED TO DO IS PUT THAT IN A WRITTEN RESOLUTION OF COUNCIL BECAUSE WHAT YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE IS YOU DON'T WANT STAFF RESOURCES TO GO TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BRING YOU A CONTRACT AND SAY IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY A CERTAIN DATE OR ELSE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WOULD LIKE A WRITTEN REPORT FROM MOBILITY ON THE ISSUE BY SEPTEMBER 5. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. >>BILL CARLSON: THERE ARE TWO MORE ELEMENTS OF THIS. ONE IS HOWARD AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE LEAVING THEM OUT INTENTIONALLY BECAUSE YOU WANT TO HIT BRISTOL FIRST, BUT THE OTHER ONE IS THE REQUEST TO JUST DO DESIGN AND NOT DO DESIGN-BUILD. IF YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THIS PROJECT, DON'T COME BACK WITH A DESIGN-BUILD. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT'S INTERESTING. I BROUGHT THAT UP WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE WEST RIVER PROJECT IS THAT IT JUST SEEMS ODD TO ME, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH THIS MAGNITUDE OF PROJECT, WHY NOT GO TO THE DESIGN AND PUT IT OUT FOR COMPETITIVE, COMPETITIVE BIDS ON THE CONSTRUCTION, UNLESS SOMETHING IS TRULY, TRULY TIME CRITICAL. SO THAT JUST -- IT JUST DOESN'T FEEL -- I'M NOT A SUBJECT MATTER. I'M NOT A BUILDER. I'M NOT A DESIGNER. I WAS AN AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLER. BUT SOMETHING DOESN'T SEEM INTUITIVELY RIGHT ABOUT THAT PROCESS ON THESE THINGS. SOME THINGS I DO UNDERSTAND. ACTUALLY WE TALKED -- YOU KNOW ABOUT MY PASSION OF THE STREETCAR EXPANSION. SO FEW PEOPLE THAT CAN DO THAT WORK, IT KIND OF MAKES SENSE THE DESIGN-BUILD ASPECT OF THAT BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A UNIQUE SITUATION. BUT SOMETHING THAT IS NOT UNIQUE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE DON'T DO MORE DESIGN AND THEN RFPs. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE THAT YOU MIGHT WANT A WRITTEN REPORT ON BECAUSE THAT COULD BECOME A POLICY OF COUNCIL AND MAYBE PUT THROUGH BY RESOLUTION SO YOU DON'T -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CHEW ON THAT FOR ANOTHER MEETING OR SO. IT IS SOMETHING THAT I WANT TO HAVE OUT THERE IN THE ATMOSPHERE. IT'S NOT MATURE ENOUGH TO PLUCK SPECIFICS. I WANT TO BE THINKING ABOUT THAT. BECAUSE, AGAIN, WHEN SOMETHING DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT, IT JUST DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? >> AYE. >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD ALL HAVE COFFEE OR A COCKTAIL OR SOMETHING. WE'RE HAVING THIS LOVELY CONVERSATION ABOUT ALL THESE TYPES OF THINGS. [OVERLAPPING CONVERSATION] >>GWEN HENDERSON: IT WAS SPICY THIS MORNING BUT WE GOOD. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: TO RECEIVE AND FILE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, THIS IS HIS MOTION. >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT WAS HIS MOTION. YOU SAID CHEW ON SOMETHING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE MOTION WAS THAT STAFF, WANT A MOBILITY REPORT ON SEPTEMBER 5th, A REPORT FOR THE PARKLAND ESTATES FLOODING ISSUE THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE BRISTOL AND PROVIDE THAT ON SEPTEMBER 5th. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND THEN WE HAVE A SECOND. COUNCILMAN VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR. DOES THAT ALSO INCLUDE THEIR POSITION ON IT INQUIRING ON THE ADMINISTRATION'S POSITION. >>GWEN HENDERSON: OF COURSE. I LIKE PUSH-BACK. >>LUIS VIERA: JUST TO -- I'LL BE HONEST, TALKING TO FOLKS, I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING MORE UNPOPULAR IN AN AREA IN MY LIFE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DID YOU GO IN AND LOOK AT THAT SITUATION? I'M TELL YOU, THE FLOODING IS REAL. WE'VE GOT TO HAVE A RESOLUTION, BUT THE RESOLUTION HAS TO BE -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: BEAUTIFUL AREA, BY THE WAY. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL AREA, BY THE WAY. I'M SURE THERE ARE NO GUNSHOTS OVER THERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. CAN I GET A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE? MOTION FROM MIRANDA. SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]