>>COUN. DAVIS: FOLKS, THIS IS YOUR TWO HOF-MINUTE WARNING. TAKE YOUR SEAT AND WE'RE GOING TO LET GOVTV KNOW WE'RE READY TO GET STARTED. >>COUN. DAVIS: I KNOW, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN FOR LONG. GOOD EVENING, FOLKS, WELCOME TO THE 32nd MEETING OF THE 25th CITY COUNCIL. WE'LL CALL THIS MEET TO ORDER. ALL COUNCILORS ARE PRESENT OR WILL BE PRESENT. COUNCILORS, YOU HAVE A NEW MICROPHONE. THESE WORK REALLY WELL. IF YOU DON'T TURN THIS OFF THEY CAN HEAR WHAT YOU'RE TALKING TO EACH OTHER ABOUT. THAT GOES OUT ON TV. FAIR WARNING. I TRIED THAT EARIER AND DIDN'T GO OUT WELL. FOLKS , COUNCILOR GROUT IS GOING TO TAKE US THROUGH SOME OF THE FIRST PARTS OF THE AGENDA. WE'RE GOING TO SHUFFLE THINGS AROUND. WE IS HAVE A LOT OF THINGS. WE HAVE OVER 100 PUBLIC COMMENTERS BEFORE WE GET TO ACTION ITEM. WE'RE GOING TO LET -- BECAUSE THIS COUNCIL HAS A HABIT OF NOT DOING THAT AS OFTEN AS WE USED TO. HANG OUT, WE'LL OUTLINE HOW THAT WILL WORK. FIRST, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, WE HAVE OTHER THINGS TO DO. SGRG THANK YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU, , , , , , . >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. WE'RE GOING TO DO A MOMENT OF SILENCE. IF YOU WILL STAND I'LL LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND COUNCILOR BASSAN WILL LEAD IT IN SPANISH. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. [ INAUDIBLE ]. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. CIVIC PARKING PASSES ARE FRIDAYED FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. YOU CAN OBTAPE ONE FROM COUNCIL STAFF AT THE TABLE NEAR THE CHAMBER ENTRANCE. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CITY STAFF AND MEDIA HAVE THE ABILITY TO VIEW THIS MEETING IN PERSON ON LIVE STREAM, THROUGH FOUR DIFFERENT PLATFORMS. GOVTV, ON COMCAST CHANNEL 16. THE GOVTV WEBSITE. YOU TUBE AND ZOOM. THE LIVE STREAMS CAN BE ACCESSED FROM MOST SMART PHONES, TABLETS, OR COMPUTERS. ALSO THIS MEETING IS CLOSED CAPTIONED AND YOU NAY ENABLE THE CLOSED CAPTION SERVICES OPYOUR TELEVISION OR DEVICE. THE VIDEO RECORDING OF THIS ASK ALL PAST COUNCIL MEETING WILL REMAIN AVAILABLE FOR VIEWING AT ANY TIME ON THE COUNCIL WEBSITE. COUNCIL STAFF IS AVAILABLE IF MEMBERSES OF THE PUBLIC NEED ASSISTANCE FINDING THE VIDEOS ONLINE. PLEASE CALL 505-768-3100 FOR ASSISTANCE DURING BUSINESS HOURS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY 8 TO 5 P.M. THE COUNCIL WILL TAKE A BREAK AT APPROXIMATELY 7 P.M., IF NEEDED. WITH REGARD TO THE DECORUM, WE WANT TONIGHT'S PROCEEDINGS TO BE AS CIVIL AND RESPECTFUL AS POSSIBLE. DON'T MAKE ANY PERSONAL ATTACKS AND NO APPLAUSE OR OTHER OUTBURSTING. THE MEETING WILL GO SMOOTHER IF WE'RE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER. AT THIS TIME, WE HAVE PROCLAMATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS. COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, TONIGHT I REQUESTED A PRESENTATION FROM WILLIAM BOWEN WITH THE ALBUQUERQUE COC. UNDERSTANDING THE 2023 POINT IN TIME COUNT. I WOULD REALLY LIKE FOR -- I THINK HE'S GOING TO BE ON ZOOM, IN ORDER TO GIVE US THIS PRESENTATION. IT'S -- I DON'T KNOW IF THE COUNCILOR IS FAMILIAR WITH IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS EVERY SO OFTEN TO COUNT THOSE WHO ARE UNHOUSED AND LIVING IN THE STREETS IN ALBUQUERQUE. AND THERE'S A CERTAIN PROCESS IN ORDER TO DO THAT SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE GET AN ACCURATE REPRESENTATION OF HOW MANY PEOPLE WE HAVE THAT NEED HELP AND ALSO SO WE CAN GET FEDERAL FUNDING. IS HE AVAILABLE? >> YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. >> I HAVE A SLIDE SHOW I'M GOING TO TRY TO SHARE RIGHT NOW. CAN EVERYONE SEE THAT? >> WE CAN SEE IT. >> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO HELLO. I'M WILLIAM BOWEN. PROGRAM OFFICER WITH THE NEW MEXICO COALITION TO END HOMELESSNESS. I'M HERE TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA TO INTERPRET THE NUMBERS GENERATED BY THE POINT IN TIME COUNT WE GENERATE EVERY YEAR. A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON WHAT THE COALITION DOES. WE'RE CONTRACTED BY THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE TO OPERATE THE AREA. THE MAJOR RESPONSIBILITIES THIS INVOLVES ARE OPERATING THE HOMELESS MANAGEMENT -- OPERATING A COORDINATED ENTRY SYSTEM, HOUSING AND SERVICE SYSTEM AND CONDUCTING -- TO START OFF, WE WANT TO JUST DEFINE A COUPLE THINGS. HUD -- IT DEFINES, LITERAL HOMELESSNESS. PEOPLE THAT SLEEP IN THE STREETS. OR OTHER PLACES NOT MEANT FOR HUMAN HABITATION AS WELL AS HOTELS PAID FOR BY AN AGENCY. FOUR IS FLEEING OR ATTEMPTING TO FLEE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. THE COUNT HAS TWO MAIN COMPONENTS. THE UNSHELTERED AND SHELTERED. -- ON THE POPULATION OF PEOPLE EXPERIENING CATEGORY ONE LITERAL HOMELESSNESS. LARGE-SCALE VOLUNTEER EFFORT THAT INVOLVES IDENTIFYING SURVEY AREAS AND COORDINAING VOLUNTEERS. TO UNSHELTERED INDIVIDUALS. THE SHELTER COUNT MEANWHILE IS CONDUCTED BY RUNNING REPORTS OF THE MENTIONED HER MIS. IT'S A DATABASE THAT CONTAINS DATA FOR THOSE EXPERIENING HOPELESSNESS. LACK OF PARTICIPATION MAKES PROVIING ACCURATE DATA -- AND IN TANDEM WE ALSO CONDUCT A HOUSING INVENTORY COUNT -- UNITS AND BEDS IN ALBUQUERQUE. FOR AGENCIESES THAT DON'T PARTICIPATE IN HMIS -- WE CONDUCT BY HAVING THEM FILL OUT SPREAD SHEETS MANUALLY. OF COURSE, THE MAIN REASON IS MANDATED BY HUD. ALTHOUGH IT'S ONLY REQUIRED EVERY YEAR YEAR, THE DECISION TO CONDUCT EVERY YEAR. THE PURPOSE OF THE COUNT IS TO HELP DETERMINE THE SCALE OF HOMELESSNESS. AND TRACK PROGRESS TOWARD ENDING HOMELESSNESS. HOWEVER, WE FOUND THAT -- OUR -- THE NUMBERS ARE OFTEN CITED OF PERSONS EXPERIENING HOMELESSNESS IS NOT THE ONLY DATA POINT WE HAVE CONSISTENTLY COLLECTED OR CAN BE USED TO TRACK -- THE DEMOGRAPHIC DATA WE COLLECT HELPS WITH IDENTIFYING TRENDSES LIKE RACIAL DISPARITIES AND INFORMATION ON THE SHELTER SYSTEM. I'M HEARING THAT -- SHOULD I HOLD? I'M NOT SURE IF MY INTERNET CONNECTION IS STABLE ENOUGH TO CONTINUE. >> IT APPEARS YOUR CONNECTION IS UNSTABLE AT THIS TIME. >> I BELIEVE WE HAVE SOMEONE IN PERSON WHO MIGHT BE ABLE TO TAKE OVER IF I'M HAVING INTERNET ISSUES. >> I HAVE YOUR PRESENTATION I CAN SHARE THE SCREEN, IT'S NO PROBLEM. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I CAN CONTINUE. SHOULD I GO AHEAD OR CONTINUE OR HAVE SOMEONE TAKE OVER? >> LET'S GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, HERE'S THE DA ON RACIAL DISPARITY WE COLLECTED THIS YEAR. YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE THAT COMMUNITIES OF COLOR SUCH AS OUR INDIGENOUS OR AMERICAN INDIAN/ALASKA NATIVE AND AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND NATIVE HAWAIIAN. IT'S TRUE AMONG EMERGENCY SHELTER AND UNSHELTERED WHICH ARE ALL THE GROUPS IN THE COUNT. AS WE MENTIONED THERE'S A NUMBER OF ISSUES WITH THE COUNT AND RELIABILITY. THE COUNT RELIES OPVOLUNTEERS THE WEATHER ALSO EFFECTS THE COUNT. FOR EXAMPLE IN 2022 ALBUQUERQUE EXPERIENCED SNOW STORMS DURING THE WEEK OF THE PIT WHICH NOT ONLY LED PEOPLE TO SEEK SHELTER WHO SLEEP OUTSIDE BUT REDUCED THE AVAILABILITY OF VOLUNTEERS. THE SURVEYING APPROACH ITSELF ALSO LIMITS OUR ABILITY TO GET AN ACCURATE COUNT AS IT'S ENTIRELY VOUNTARY AND WE CAN'T SUBMIT NUMBERS TO HUD THAT AREN'T TIED TO A COMPLETED SURVEY. THE LACK OF PARTICIPATION WITH HMIS. AND THE DECOMMISSIONING OF ENCAMPMENTS IS A CHALLENGE AS WELL. THIS YEAR, THE COALITION UNDERTOOK THE VARIETY OF EFFORTS TO STOP DECOMMISSIONING, BUT WE WERE UNSUCCESSFUL. MANY TEAMS WENT TO AREAS OF PLACES THAT HAD BEEN CLEARED. AND SEVERAL WERE THERE THAT WERE DECOMMISSIONED. PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO COMPLETE A SURVEY WHEN EVERYTHING THEY OWN IS BEING THROWN AWAY. WE CAN GO OVER SOME OF THE DATA. YOU CAN SEE THE JUMP IN THE OVERALL PIT NUMBERS FROM 2022 TO 2023. INCLUING ALL OF THOSE WHO ARE UNSHELTERED IN EMERGENCY SHELTERS AND TRANSIGAL HOUSING. HOWEVER THE JUMP WE SEE IN THE PREVIOUS GRAPH IS DRIVEN BY THIS JUMP IN THE UNSHELTERED JUMP. IT LOOKS LIKE A HUGE JUMP IN HOMELESSNESS, BUT THE DEGREE OF THE CHANGE YOU'RE SEEING IS CORALERATED TO AN INCREASE IN VOLUNTEER PARTICIPATION AND ORDINATION. YOU CAN SEE THE INCREASE IN TOTAL VOLUNTEERS AND VOLUNTEERS WHO COMPLETED MORE THAN TWO SURVEYS. THE OVERALL NUMBER TRIPLES AND THE NUMBER OF HIGHER VOLUME DOUBLES. OUR OPINION WHILE THAT NUMBER OF PEOPLE ARE ON THE STREETS IS INCREASING THE SCALE OF THE INCREASE IS DRIVEN BY THIS AND OVER HAUL IN THE METHODOLOGY FOR CONDUCTING THE PIT COUNT. WE ALL AGREE IT'S A SIZABLE UNDERCOUNT. SO, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT. THE REPORT THAT CAME OUT RECENTLY THAT'S BEEN HEAVILY COVERED INDICATED THAT NEW MEXICO HAD ENOUGH EMERGENCY SHELTER BEDSES TO ACCOMMODATE EVERYONE THAT WAS UNSHELTERED. THAT NOT ONLY ASSUMES THE PIT ACCOUNT IS ACCURATE BUT IT LUMPS TOGETHER THE BEDS ACROSS THE STATE. IN ALBUQUERQUE OUR NUMBER BEDS IS 1779 WHILE THE PIT COUNT INCLUING ALL THOSE UNSHELTERED IN EMERGENCY SHELTERS AND TRANSITIONAL HOUSING WAS 2394 AND 727 REFUSAL WHICH IS A MEASURE WE TRACK FOR THE FIRST TIME THIS YEAR. PEOPLE THAT WERE UNSHELTERED AND DID NOT WANT TO COMPLETE A SURVEY. THIS OVERSHOOTS THE BED APACITY WE. WE ESTIMATE BECAUSE ALL OF THE ISSUES WITH THE PIT COUNT THE TRUE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN ALBUQUERQUE EXPERIENING HOMELESSNESS IS AROUND 5,000. SO, ANOTHER ISSUE IS THAT THE COUNT FOCUSES ON ONE SUBCATEGORY OF THAT TYPE ONE HOMELESSNESS. IT DOES NOT CAPTURE THOSE EXPERIENING INVISIBLE HOMELESSNESS. THAT INCLUDES PEOPLE THAT ARE COUCH SUFFERING, OR PAYING FOR HOTELS. THEY DON'T QUALIFY AS LITERALLY HOMELESS BY THE CATEGORY ONE DEFINITION BUT THEY LACK ADEQUATE HOUSING. THESE LIVING SITUATIONS ARE COMMON FOR HUMAN TRAFFICKING VICTIMS, THESE PEOPLE LEAVING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. AND YOUTH AND SENIORS. THE NUMBER OF PERSONS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IS DEPENDENT UPON THE DEFINITION OF HOMELESSNESS WE USE AND IT CAN AFFECT THE NUMBER IN EITHER DIRECTION. WHILE WE ESTABLISHED THE CAPACITY CAN'T MEET THE DEMAND FOR BEDS WE OFTEN NEED TO CONSIDER THE QUALITY OF BEDS BEING OFFERED. PIT SURVEY ASKS WHY THEY DON'T USE THE SHELTER SYSTEM AND IT'S EASY TO UNDERSTAND WHY SOME WOULD PREFER TO SLEEP OUTDOORS AFTER COLLECTING THE DATA. OUR MOST COMMON RESPONSE IS FOLLOWING. VIOLENCE, PAST VIOLENCE, FEAR OF VIOLENCE. SOMEONE HAS BEEN ASSAULTED, SEXUALLY ASSAULTED OR HARASSED. SANITATION CONCERN. DIRTINESS. MANY PEOPLE MENTION BEDBUGS, DISEASE AND OVERCROWDING. CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN ROBBED OR FEAR BEING ROBBED THERE. THERE'S AN ACCESSIBILITY ISSUE. THE LARGEST SHELTER IS TOO FAR AWAY. AND MANY SHELTERS DON'T ACCOMMODATE THOSE WHO CAN'T COMPLETE THEIR ACTIVITIES OF DAILY LIVING, SUCH AS FEEDING, BATHING, CLOTHING AND USING THE RESTROOM. THERE'S AN INSTITUTIONALIZATION. SHELTERS CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT SIMILAR TO PRISON OR JAIL IN THE EYES OF THOSE SURVEYED. THE WEST SIDE IS A DEFUNKT JAIL. IN GENERAL THEY'RE NOT TRAUMA INFORMED. MANY REPORT THE STAFF ARE ABUSIVE AND THE ENVIRONMENT IS OVERWELLING OR ANXIETY INDUCING. NOT ONLY IS THERE NEED TO INCREASE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUT IMPROVE IT THE QUALITY OF EMERGENCY SHELTER OPTIONS. THERE'S A VARIETY OF APPROACHES ONE CAN TAKE INCLUDING NONCONGRUIGATE WE ALSO RECOMMEND THIRD PARTY INSPECTIONS LIKE THOSE OFFICERED BY THE COMMISSION ON ACCREDITATION OF REHABILITATION. TO SUMMARIZE, PIT COUNTS AN EXTREMELY UNIMPORTANT TOOL BUT WE CAN INFORM FROM IT CAN HELP POLICY. THE PIT COUNT IS NOT AN ACCURATE MEASURE TOWARD PROGRESS AND DOES NOT POINT TOWARD SOLUTIONS. BUT WHAT WE KNOW IS A FACT WITHOUT CONDUCTING THE COUNT IS ULTIMATELY AFFORDABLE AND APPROPRIATE HOUSING IS THE SOLUTION TO HOMELESSNESS. THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. COUNCILORS, ANY QUESTIONS? >>COUN. BASSAN: YEAH, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. THANK YOU. DO WE KNOW -- I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER PEOPLE THAT CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS TOO. MR. BOEN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. I KNOW THAT ILSA IS HERE AND SHE'S PARTICIPAING IN THIS. DO WE KNOW WHAT THE WEATHER WAS THIS YEAR WHEN THE PIT COUNT WAS DONE? IF YOU'RE HERE, INTRODUCE YOURSELF. >> IT WAS GREAT WEATHER. >>COUN. BASSAN: CAN YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF? >> I'M TONY WATKINS. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. THE WEATHER WAS FINE THIS YEAR? >> OKAY. >>COUN. BASSAN: THE REASON WHY I ASKED FOR THIS IS BECAUSE IT CAME TO MY ATTENTION THAT THERE WAS A DECOMMISSIONING OF ENCAMPMENTS SEVERAL DAYS BEFORE THE PIT COUNT WAS TO HAPPEN. AND THAT'S A CONCERN FOR ALL OF US BECAUSE WE GET FEDERAL FUNDING. AND IT WAS A NOTIFICATION. WHEN WAS THE LAST DECOMMISSION -- WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN FOR THE PIT COUNT? >> WE HAD TEAMS GOING OUT AND ACTUALLY WITNESSES THE DECOMMISSIONING OF ENCAMPMENTS AS THEY WERE TRYING TO DO THE COUNT. IT WAS HAPPENING SIMULTANEOUSLY WHILE WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE COUNT. THAT'S THE FIRST WEEK OF FEBRUARY. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. RAEL, DOES SOMEBODY KNOW WHY WE DECOMMISSION ENCAMPMENTS WHILE PIT COUNT IS GOING ON IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, I DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION AT THIS POINT. I KNOW THAT BOTH FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES AND -- WERE WORKING TOGETHER ON A PARTICULAR NIGHT. IT HAD CREATED REAL HEALTH ISSUES AND STRUCTUING THAT INTO AN AREA. THAT MAY BE AN AREA WHERE SOME OF THE NUMBERS WERE BEING -- OR SOME OF THE SURVEYS WERE BEING PERFORMED. I DON'T HAVE THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, DIRECTOR, DO YOU HAVE MORE INFORMATION FOR US? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, SO, PRIOR TO THE PIT COUNT WHAT WAS REQUESTED WAS 30 DAYS OF NO MOVING ENCAMPMENTS. WHICH THAT'S A LONG TIME. WE'VE ONLY DONE ONE DECOMMISSIONING WHICH WAS ON FIRST AND INDIAN SCHOOL WHICH HAPPENED AFTER THE PIT COUNT. WE KNAVE -- GAVE TEN DAYS BUT CONTINUED TO CLEAN AREAS. YOU HAVE TO DO A LITTER SWEEP. YOU CAN'T GO 14 DAYS, 7 DAYS WITHOUT CLEANING THE AREAS BECAUSE IT BECOMES A HAZARD NOT ONLY TO PEOPLE THERE BUT TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC USING THE SIDEWALKS IN THOSE AREAS. WE WORKED WITH FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES AND GAVE THEM 10 TO 12 DAYS WHERE WE WILL NOT CLEAR AN ENCAMPMENT. HOWEVER THEY'RE MADE FULLY AWARE THAT IF IT WAS AN IMMEDIATE HAZARD WE HAD TO ADDRESS IT. WE COULDN'T LET AN IMMEDIATE HAZARD BE THERE FOR 12 DAYS. WHAT WE ADDRESSED WERE IMMEDIATE HAZARDS. THAT BEING SAID, THAT PIT COUNT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT HIGH. WHEN WE ADDRESSED THOSE HAZARDS THEY PROBABLY WENT TO ANOTHER AREA THAT WASN'T AN IMMEDIATE HAZARD THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN COUNTED. I'M NOT SAYING THE NUMBERS ARE WRONG OR RIGHT, ALL I'M SAYING IS WHAT SOLID WASTE DID WAS FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES, WE ADDRESSED THE HAZARDS AND HAD TO DO LITTER SWEEPS WHICH WE HAVE TO DO. IF WE DON'T DO IT CAN GET VERY UGLY, NOT JUST FOR THE PEOPLE THERE BUT FOR THE ZENERAL PUBLIC THAT USES THOSE AREAS. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, FOR THE SAKE OF EVERYBODY, AND I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF IMPORTANT BUSINESS BUT I WOULD LIKE TO CIRCLE BACK AND ASK OUR STAFF IF WE CAN SCHEDULE SOMETIME WITH THE NEW MEXICO COALITION TO END HOMELESSNESS AND DIRECTORS TO FIGURE OUT. MY CONCERN IS IF THE NUMBERS ARE SKEWED BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THEM LOOK ONE WAY OR ANOTHER OR IT'S BECAUSE WE NEED TO KEEP PEOPLE SAFE AND CLEAN. WHAT YOU SAY MAKES SENSE, WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM THE OTHER SIDE MAKES SENSE. I LIKE TO GET MORE INFER SO WHOEVER DOES THE PIT COUNT WE CAN STREAMLINE THE PROCESS MORE CAN COHESION. MOVING FORWARD I WANT TO SCHEDULE TO WORK TOGETHER. >> WE'RE ALL FOR THAT. WE WANT TO HAVE AN ACCURATE COUNT AS WELL. THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE ADMINISTRATION. AS FAR AS HOW WE USE RESOURCES. WE'RE ALL FOR THAT. WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO WORK WITH US. >> WE DO DUPLICATE DATA, THE PIT COUNT WAS ARTIFICIALLY HIGH, THAT WOULD NOT BE THE CASE. I WANT TO REINFORCE THE POINT WE KNOW IT'S ACTUALLY LOWER. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. I LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING WITH BOTH SIDES OF THIS. WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO MOVE FORWARD AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE TRANSPARENCY AND CLARITY. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR BASSAN. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR MR. WATKINS. SORRY ABOUT THAT, MR. WATKINS. I KNOW YOU WALKED ALL THE WAY UP TO YOUR CHAIR. THE QUESTION I HAD IS HOW ARE YOU MAKING SURE YOU DON'T DUPLICATE THE SAME PERSON OVER AND OVER AGAIN? DO YOU GET PERSONAL INFORMATION TO DOCUMENT YOU ACTUALLY TALKED TO THAT PERSON AND IF YOU SEE THAT INDIVIDUAL AGAIN YOU DON'T RECOUNT THEM? HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THAT SO YOU DON'T COUNT THE SAME PERSON THREE OR FOUR TIMES? >> WE GET THEIR FIRST INITIAL OF THE FIRST NAME, FIRST INITIAL OF MIDDLE NAME AND LAST NAME. AND THE YEAR THEY'RE BORN AND THE MONTH THEY'RE BORN. >> WHAT'S TO STOP SOMEBODY FROM CHANING THAT INFORMATION WITH THEM KNOWING YOU'RE COLLECTING THAT INFORMATION? HOW DO YOU MAKE SURE YOU DON'T RECOUNT THE SAME PERSON? THAT'S VERY VAGUE INFORMATION. >> WE THINK IT'S SPECIFIC ENOUGH THAT IT WOULD BE VERY UNLIKELY TO HAVE TWO PEOPLE WITH THE SAME FIRST LETTER OF MIDDLE AND LAST NAME AND BORN ON THE SAME MONTH AND SAME YEAR. IF WE COME ACROSS THAT WE THROW ONE OUT. AND WE ASK PEOPLE IF THEY'RE COUNTED ALREADY. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: BECAUSE WE KNOW PEOPLE ALWAYS TRY TO CONCEAL IDENTITY AND GET COUNTED MORE THAN ONCE. IN THIS CASE, AND PEOPLE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING. I THINK YOU NEED TO FIND A MORE ACCURATE WAY TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT DOUBLE COUNTING OR THEY'RE NOT PULLING THE WOOL OVER OUR EYES WHEN WE'RE DOING THIS THING BECAUSE IT'S VERY OBVIOUS THAT PEOPLE OUT THERE ARE UNSTABLE. THEY PROBABLY HAVE ADDICTION AND/OR A MENTAL ISSUE. I THINK WE NEED SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE PRECISE THAT WOULD HELP YOU MAKE SURE YOU GIVE US A MORE ACCURATE NUMBER. >> YOU KNOW WHAT'S GREAT ABOUT THE PIT COUNT IS IT HUMANIZES THE PEOPLE. YOU MEET THEM AND TALK TO THEM AND GET TO KNOW THEM. WE FIND MANY OF THEM ARE JUST LIKE YOU AND ME. THEY JUST HAVE SOME TOUGH KNOCKS. I DON'T THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO DELIBERATELY TRYING TO FOOL US. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I DEFINITELY HOPE NOT. I KNOW BEING OUT THERE FREQUENTLY AS A POLICE OFFICER IT WAS A CONSTANT STRUGGLE FOR US TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE INDIVIDUAL WAS BEING HONEST WITH THEIR IDENTITY. HOPEFULLY IT'S NOT THE SAME THERE. I JUSTP WANTED TO MAKE A SUGGESTION TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY WAY YOU CAN CAN BE A LITTLE MORE PRESIS. -- PRECISE. >>COUN. GROUT: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: SO, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION BECAUSE I WAS LISTENING TO THE PRESENTATION BUT MAYBE I DIDN'T CAPTURE IT RIGHT. APPROXIMATE REAL NUMBER IS 5,000, IS THAT IN EVERY SINGLE CATEGORY? TOTAL OF 5,000? DOES THAT INCLUDE CATEGORY ONE, TWO THREE FOUR? >> YEAH, IT'S -- THAT WOULD BE LIKE THE LOW END OF IT. BECAUSE IF YOU COUNT THE OTHER CATEGORIES -- THE DAA FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, 3,000 STUDENTS AND ABOUT 1500 FAMILIES MEET THE DEFINITION. IF YOU ADDED THAT TO THE PIT COUNT THAT'S ALREADY OVER 5,000. THERE'S A YOUTH HOMELESS FEEDS ASSESSMENT IN 2022 IN BERNALILLO COUNTY, AND THAT ESTIMATED 1500 TO 25 KAEGS -- 2500 YOUTH HOMELESS. THAT WOULD BE CLOSER TO THE ORDER OF 7,000. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION OR NOT. >>COUN. PEÑA: NO. MR. PRESIDENT, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, ACTUALLY, I WAS WONDERING ON THIS COUNT, IF YOU HAVE THIS PIT COUNT DOES IT INCLUDE THE LITERALLY HOMELESS, IMMINENT RISK OF HOMELESSNESS? >> I SEE. THE PIT COUNT IS LITERALLY AND DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. YEAH, THAT CAPTURES THE LITERAL LY HOMELESS. >>COUN. PEÑA: OKAY. I WANTED CLARIFICATION. MR. PRESIDENT, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, DO YOU TRACK ALSO FOLKS WHO NOT ONLY ARE HOMELESS BUT MAYBE SUFFERING FROM BEHAVIORAL HEALTH ISSUES, ADDICTION, OR DUAL DIAGNOSIS? OR YOU DON'T ASK THAT QUESTION? >> WE ASK THAT QUESTION. WE ASK IF THEY'RE SUFFERING FROM DISABILITY. WE DO TRACK THAT AS WELL. FEDERAL DEFINITION FOR CHRONICALLY HOMELESS INCLUDES THAT. WHICH IS WHY WE ASK IT. >>COUN. PEÑA: MR. PRESIDENT, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, DO YOU HAVE THAT DATA? CAN YOU SHARE THAT WITH US? BECAUSE SOMETIMES WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT -- I SUPPORT OBVIOUSLY HOUSING FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE SUFFERING FROM HOMELESSNESS. SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, SOME FOLKS ARE SUFFERING FROM ADDICTION ISSUES IT'S HARD FOR THEM TO TRANSITION TO HOUSING. IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE THAT TO KIND OF INFORMATION SO WE CAN PROVIDE ADDITIONAL -- >> WE HAVE THAT AND WE WILL BE PUBLISHING THAT ON OUR WEBSITE SOON. >>COUN. PEÑA: GREAT. IF YOU CAN SHARE THAT WITH ME WHENEVER YOU DO, THAT WOULD BE AMAZING. THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, MR. WATKINS. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. TODAY, WE'LL HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM MR. JASON GRANT, DIRECTOR OF ADVOCACY FOR THE INTERNATIONAL CITY COUNTY MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATION. HE'S HERE TO PRESENT ON THE COUNCIL-MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT. WE HAVE A PACKET IN FRONT OF ALL THE CITY COUNCILLORS AND iPADS. CITIZENS OUT THERE CAN LOOK AT THE MONITORS AND ACTUALLY TAKE NOTE AND ANYONE AT HOME IT WILL BE FLASHED IN FRONT OF YOU. I URGE EACH COUNCILOR TO PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO WHAT WE'RE LISTENING TODAY IN REFERENCE TO THIS PRESENTATION. IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE ASK THOSE QUESTIONS SO WE CAN ACTUALLY PAK ANY KIND OF -- WE CAN ADDRESS THE QUESTION. AND WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO PRESENT MR. JASON GRANT. >> THANK YOU. I'LL SHARE THE SCREEN. SEE IF YOU CAN SEE EVERYTHING ON THAT. IS THAT COMING THROUGH OKAY? >> NOT QUITE, YET, SIR. HERE IT IS. >> OKAY, GOOD. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. HAPPY TO BE HERE TALK ABOUT THE COUNCIL FORM OF GOVERNMENT AND MAYOR COUNCIL FOFRM FORM. I'M JASON GRANT WITH THE INTERNATIONAL CITY COUNTY ASSOCIATION. WE FOCUS ON LOCAL GOVERNMENT. AS DIRECTOR OF ADVOCACY I ADVOCATE FOR PROFESSIONAL MANAGEMENT AND SOUND GOVERNMENT PRACTICES AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. WHEN WE LOOK AT FORMS OF GOVERNMENT ACROSS THE COUNTRY, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT COUNCIL MANAGER, THEY'RE THE TWO PRIMARY FORMS OF GOVERNMENT. COUNCIL MANAGER BEING WHERE THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR SIT ON THE COUNCIL AS AN ELECTED BODY TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE AND THEY AS A BODY APPOINT A CITY MANAGER WOO HAS THE SKILLS, KNOWLEDGE, AND ABILITY TO RUN A LOCAL GOVERNMENT OPERATION AND THAT CITY MANAGER SERVES AS CEO. VERSUS MAYOR COUNCIL WHICH YOU'RE ARE ALL AWARE OF. I BROKE DOWN, I ADDED TO THIS TO THE SLIDE BECAUSE ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS HOW DOES THIS LOOK IN DIFFERENT POPULATIONS DO LARGE CITIES OR SMALL CCITIES. EVEN IN LARGE CITIES AND SMALL CITY -- THOSE ARE THE TWO TYPES OF GOVERNMENT. THE -- WHERE ALBUQUERQUE SITS IS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, 50-50. ALMOST ALL OTHER CITIES MUCH MORE TOWARD THE COUNCIL MANAGER AND AS YOU GET SMALLER IT'S MAYOR COUNCIL. A LOT OF THAT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE OF THE SMALLER COMMUNITIES NEEDING LESS COMPLEXITIES AND THEY CAN BE RAN WITHOUT THE MANAGER. THAT'S HOW THIS BREAKS DOWN BY POPULATION. THIS SLIDE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THERE'S A MISNOMER, THAT THE MANAGER IS THE COE, THEY'RE THE EXACT SAME THIN -- IT'S REALLY NOT THE CASE THE FORMS OF GOVERNMENT IS DISTINCT. THE ROLE OF MANAGER CEO IS DIFFERENT AS THE MAYOR AS CEO. MANAGER HIRES AND FIRES BASED ON PROFESSIONAL QUALIFICATION. THE MAYOR HIRES AT WILL POSITIONS. GOOD MAYORS HIRE BASED ON QUALIFICATIONS. PASSAGER FOR OPERATION OF GOVERNMENT THEY'RE GOING TO ACHIEVE THE COUNCIL'S GOALS AND OBJECTIVES. WHEREAS A MAYOR DOES NOT HAVE TO COMPLETE THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES THE MAYOR HAS TOCHIEVE THE MAYOR'S OBJECTIVES. ALSO IN TERMS OF POLICY RECOMMENDATION. MANAGER PREVENT POLICY RECOMMEND AZ -- A COUNCIL WILL ASK CITY MANAGER WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS BASED ON EXPERIENCE WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR US TO CONSIDER. ULTIMATELY THE COUNCIL MAKES DECISIONS. THE COUNCIL CANNOT OVERTURN THOSE EVEN IF THEY GO IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. THEY CANNOT SOLICIT PUBLIC INFLUENCE. THE MANAGER CAN'T ADVOCATE AND RALLY POLITICAL SUPPORT FOR OR AGAINST POLICY ISSUE. VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE MAYOR. THE MAYOR WILL PROVIDE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS WHETHER THEY'RE REQUESTED OR NOT. THEY CAN VETO THE ACTIONS OF COUNCIL THEY DISAGREE WITH. REQUIING A SUPER MAJORITY. THEY SEEK INFLUENCE ON COUNCIL DECISIONS. THAT'S THEIR ROLE AS A POLITICAL FIGURE. THE MANAGER CAN BE REMOVED AT ANY TIME. IT'S A MARJT VOTE. IF THEY'RE NOT DOING A GOOD JOB THEY HAVE THE ABILITY, THE COUNCIL DOES, AS A SIMPLE MAJORITY TO FIRE THEM. THE MAYOR, THEY CAN ONLY BE REMOVED THROUGH AN ELECTION PROCESS REGARDLESS OF THE PERFORMANCE. IF THEY'RE NOT DOING WELL WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT ELECTION CYCLE OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF ELECTION PROCESS TO GET RID OF A MAYOR. VERY DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF HOW THEY HOLD THE POWER. A MANAGER CAN REMAIN IN OFFICE THROUGH ELECTION CYCLES. THAT ENSURES CONTINUITY. IF YOU HAVE A GOOD CITY MANAGER THAT COUNCIL WANTS THAT MANAGER TO STAY ON, THERE'S GREATER LONGEVITY AND RESPONSIBILITY IN THE GOVERNMENT. WITH THE MAYOR THE PRIORITIES ARE GOING TO CHANGE WITH EACH NEW ADMINISTRATION. THE NEW MAYOR WILL BRING IN THEIR NEW IDEAS AND THEIR STAFF AND PEOPLE TO ADMINISTER IT SO IT CREATES VERY DIFFERENT TURN. OVER PARTICULARLY AT THE TOP LEVEL. VERY DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS. BOTH ARE CEO BUT FUNCTION DIFFERENTLY IN THE TWO FORMS OF GOVERNMENT. A TO THINK OF WHY A COMMUNITY MIGHT CHOOSE ONE OR THE OTHER. IT'S NOT ONE IS GOOD AND ONE IS BAD. THEY'RE DIFFERENT GOALS AND OUTCOMES. IT'S THE PEOPLE IN GOVERNMENT WHO CAN DO HARM OR GOOD REGARDLESS OF THE FORUM. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S REALLY CLEAR. SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WE LOOK AT OF WHY MIGHT CONSIDER ONE OR ANOTHER. SHOULD THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE BE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE PEOPLE DAILY OR ONCE EVERY FOUR YEARS? UNDER COUNCIL MANAGER THEY'RE ACCOUNTABLE DAILY, ONCE EVERY FOUR YEARS FOR THE MAYOR COUNCIL FORM. SHOULD THE DEPARTMENT HEADS BE HIRED ON QUALIFICATIONS? OR BASED ON THE POLITICAL ALLEGIANCE? MAYOR COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY AND HAS THE AUTHORITY, AND YOU'LL SEE IN SOME CITIES WHERE THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO HIRE THOSE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORTED THEM POLITICALLY, AND HAVE THE EXPERIENCE OR NOT, THAT CREATES SOME DISTINCTIONS IN TERMS OF WHAT NOT GOOD PRACTICES ARE. NOT ALL MAYOR'S WILL HIRE POLITICAL ALLIES. BUT IT'S WHAT A FORM OF GOVERNMENT REQUIRES AS IT MOVES FORWARD. OTHER CONSIDERATION HERE, ORGANIZATIONS THRIVE ON CONSISTENT OR MASS TURNOVER. AND COUNCIL MANAGER, EVEN IF THEY FIRE THE CITY MANAGER, BECAUSE CITY MANAGER THEY'RE NOT HAPPY WITH PERFORMANCE, THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, THE NEW CITY MANAGER WILL EVALUATE THE ABILITY. THE NEW DEPARTMENT HEADS ARE HIRED OR FIRED BASED ON THEIR PERFORMANCE. THOSE TOP LEADERS IN EVERY DEPARTMENT CAN LEAD WITH EVERY NEW ADMINISTRATION. IT MAKES IT DIFFERENT FOR THE FRONT LINE STAFF. YOU HAVE A NEW BOSS EVERY FOUR YEARS A DIFFERENT GOAL EVERY FOUR YEARS. MAINTAINING PROFESSIONAL STAFF, THAT'S ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF A COUNCIL MANAGER. YOUR PROFESSIONAL STAFF THAT STAYS ON DOING THE FRONT LINE WORK AND HAS MORE CONSISTENCY AND LEADERSHIP. AND THEN GREATER VALUE ON EXECUTIVE OFFICER HAVING A PROVEN ABILITY TO RUN A CITY OR CAMPAIGN. TO HIRE A CITY MANAGER, THEY HAVE TO SHOW, THE COUNCIL WILL INTERVIEW THEM AND MAKE SURE THE CITY MANAGER HAS THE ABILITY TO ACCOMPLISH THE GOALS THAT THE COUNCIL WANTS ACCOMPLISHED. WHEREAS, A MAYOR HOPEFULLY HAVE THE ABILITIES AND KNOWLEDGE, BUT THEY'RE ELECTED BASED ON CAMPAIGN NOT BASED ON HOW THEY RUN CITIES IN THE PAST. A DIFFERENT FUNCTION OF HOW THAT CEO IS APPOINTED. JUST LOOKING AT WHY DO WE PREFER THE FORM OF GOVERNMENT. I'LL MAKE CLEAR, WE HAVE NUMBERS IN BOTH FORMS OF GOVERNMENT. MAYOR COUNCIL IS CITY DEMONSTRATORS. OFTEN THEY SO, IT'S NOT ONE IS RIGHT OR WRONG OR GOOD-BAD. THE PREFERENCES IS BECAUSE THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED AND STRUCTURED BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT ARE THE BEST OUTCOME FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENT. THE MAIN ONE IS IT'S REQUIRED BY ITS NATURE TO BE COLLABORATIVE. THE MAYOR'S ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE LEADERSHIP, THE COUNCIL FOR POLICY AND THE CITY MANAGER FOR OPERATING GOVERNMENT TO ACHIEVE THOSE GOALS. THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MANAGER IS PART OF THE COUNCIL THEY HAVE AN EQUAL VOICE TO EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER. THEY CANNOT VETO OR OVERTURN THE DECISIONSES. EVEN IF THE MAYOR IS ON THE MINORITY IN THE STRAIGHT 5-4 VOTE THEY STILL LOSE OUT, THEY DON'T GET THE DRIVE THE AGENDA FORWARD. THEY'RE PART OF THE COUNCIL AND THAT MANAGER WORK FOR THEM TO MAKE SURE THOSE ARE ACCOMPLISHED. THE ADMINISTRATION AND STAFF CANNOT WORK COUNTER TO COUNCIL BECAUSE THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL ARE ALL ONE BODY THEY SERVE ON BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COME UP IS HOW DO WE KNOW WHICH FORM OF GOVERNMENT REALLY WORKS. I JUST PULLED SOME RESEARCH THAT WALLET HUB THE BEST RANKED CITIES IN AMERICA, THEY HAD A RANKING OF 150 CITIES AND HOW THEY CHOSE THOSE, THEY WEREN'T AS ROBUST TO FIGURE HOUT WHETHER THERE WAS A COUNCIL MANAGER OR COUNCIL MAYOR. I SORTED IT BY POPULATION. LIKE WHAT ABOUT THE LARGE CITIES LIKE ALBUQUERQUE, HOW DO THEY FARE IN THE RANKING? AND WHEN YOU DO THAT AND YOU SORT IT BY POPULATION IT STARTS TO MAKE SENSE. HERE, YOU SEE THERE WERE 21 COUNCIL MANAGER CITIES AND 28 MAYOR-COUNCIL CITIES THEY RANKED. AND OF THOSE, THE TOP FOUR ARE COUNCIL-MANAGER CITIES. THE NUMBER ONE MAYOR COUNCIL-CITY IS ALBUQUERQUE. AGAIN, THEY'RE THE NUMBER ONE MAYOR-COUNCIL CITY BY WALLET HUB BEST RUN CITIES. 70% OF THE BEST RUN CITIES ARE COUNCIL-MAYOR CITIES BY RANKING. THEY LOOKED AT THE CATEGORIES WHEN THEY DID THE RANKING. THEY LOOKED AT THE EDUCATION, ECONOMY, HEALTH AND PUBLIC SAFETY. AND LOOKED AT INFRASTRUCTURE AND POLLUTION CONTROL. COUNCIL MANAGER FARED BETTER. OF THE COUNCIL MANAGER CITIES 29% ARE IN THE TOP TEN OF THOSE THEY RANKED. 67% ARE IN THE TOP 25 FOR EDUCATION. WHEN IT COMES TO THE ECONOMY, 38% OF THE COUNCIL MANAGERS ARE IN THE TOP TEN. AND 71% THE TOP 25 COMPARED TO 7% FOR MAYOR COUNCIL. SAME WITH HEALTH AND SAME WITH SAFETY. YOU'LL NOTICE THE PERFORMANCE OF COUNCIL MANAGER CITIES TEND TO PERFORM BETTER IN THOSE CATEGORIES. YOU'LL NOTICE COUNCIL MANAGER CITIES AT 10% OF THE ONES THEY RANKED ARE IN THE TOP TEN. AND 25% OF THE MAYOR COUNCIL ARE IN THE TOP TEN. AND TOP 25. AND PUT THE WHOLE NUMBER SO IT WASN'T LOST IN THE PERJURIES. YOU LOOK AT THAT AND IT SORT OF MAKES SENSE THAT POLITICALLY BUILDING ROADS AND CAPITAL INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS AND MANAING LARGER CITIES HAVE POLLUTION CONTROL IS A CONCERN AND A LOT OF THE LARGER CITIES. THESE ARE POLITICALLY MAKING A LOT OF SENSE TO MOVE THE PROJECTS FORWARD FOR THE MAYOR AND THEY CAN GET DONE WITHIN A FOUR-YEAR TIME FRAME. EDUCATION, ECONOMY, HEALTH AND PUBLIC SAFETY SPANS ADMINISTRATIONS. YOU CAN'T GET THAT ALL DONE IN A FOUR-YEAR TIME FRAME. IT MAKES SENSE THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE HIGHER PERFORMANCE VERSUS THE MAYOR COUNCIL FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND POLLUTION CONTROL. THESE ARE SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT ARE IMPORTANT. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M RESPECTFUL OF THE TIME. I HEARD YOU HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENT. I'LL PAUSE THERE. IF IT MAKES SENSE, DO YOU WANT ME TO WALK THROUGH MORE OR ADDRESS QUESTIONS? WHAT'S THE BEST USE OF YOUR TIME? >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, JASON. FOR THE PRESENTATION. WE HAVE THE PACKET. COUNCILORS, IF YOU LIKE YOU CAN READ THROUGH THAT ON YOUR OWN TIME. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR JASON? YOU CAN ASK THEM IF YOU LIKE. OKAY. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. HOW MANY LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ARE PART OF THE ICMA ASSOCIATION? >> WE ARE BY MEMBERS NOT BY LOCAL GOVERNMENT COUNT. IT IS EACH INDIVIDUAL. WE HAVE ABOUT 13,000 MEMBERS. >>COUN. GROUT: OF THOSE MEMBERS, HOW MANY ARE COUNCIL-MAYOR SYSTEM AND HOW MANY ARE COUNCIL-MANAGER? >> I'LL LOOK AT PERCENTAGE, WE HAVE THEM IN BOTH. THERE'S ALSO COMMISSION FORM. THERE'S LOT OF LOCAL GORMENTS -- FORMANTS OF GOVERNMENT. WRNG I CAN GIVE YOU THE PERCENTAGE OF EACH FORM OF GOVERNMENT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. ONE OTHER QUESTION, HOW MANY CITIES ARE CONSIDERING CHANGING THEIR SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT? >> YURBG ON ABOUT >> YURBG ON TIB >> QUIRK ON >> I WORK ON FIVE TO TEN A YEAR. PEOPLE WILL CALL AND SAY WE WANT INFORMATION AND ARE CONSIDERING CHANGING. WE WORK WITH FIVE TO TEN PER YEAR. AGAIN, THERE'S OTHER CITIES UNDER CONSIDERATION WE MAY NOT KNOW ABOUT. SOME REQUIRE CHARTER CHANGES, SOME OF THEM ARE ABLE TO DO IT BY RESOLUTION. SO THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE DISCUSSION ABOUT RESOLUTION AND MAKE A CHANGE. VERY DIFFERENT. THAT'S USUALLY WHAT WE WORK ON. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION IN REFERENCE TO ACCOUNTABILITY, TRANSPARENCY, AND HOW THAT WORKS IN REFERENCE TO CORRUPTION AS WELL. >> IF YOU LOOK AT ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY AND YOU'LL NOTICE IN THE PACKET, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS IN EVERY FORM OF GOVERNMENT CAMPAIGN THAT I'VE WORKED ON THOSE ISSUES COME UP. THE QUESTION HOW DO WE MAINTAIN ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE PEOPLE AND VOTERS WHO ARE WE ACCOUNTABLE TO. UNDER MAYOR COUNCIL THE MAYOR IS ACCOUNTABLE ULTIMATELY TO THE 51% OF THE VOTERS. THAT'S WHERE THE ACCOUNTABILITY COME TO PLAY. PEOPLE COME TO THE VOTING BOX AND THAT'S WHERE THEY END UP HOLDING ACCOUNTABLE. IN THE COUNCIL MANAGER FORM THE ACCOUNTABILITY IS WITH PEOPLE WITH THE SERVICES. AT CITY COUNCIL IF YOU KNOW THAT THE SERVICES ARE NOT DELIVERED WELL YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT IT AND RAISE QUESTIONS WITH STAFF. UNDER COUNCIL MANAGER THE COUNCIL IS ABLE TO HOLD ACCOUNTABLE THE STAFF. BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO COME AND SAY THIS ISN'T OPERATING WELL WHAT'S GOING ON. UNDER MAYOR COUNCIL THEY CAN GO TO THE MAYOR AND BRING THOSE FORWARD BUT IT'S REALLY THE MAYOR TO DETERMINE WHETHER THAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST. IT'S THE POLITICALSITION THAT CREATES CHALLENGES. THAT GOES TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT CORRUPTION. AND ONE OF THE RESEARCH THAT'S IN THEREFROM UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLINA CHAPEL HILL, THEY HAD NOTED THAT IN THEIR RESEARCH MAYOR COUNCIL IS 57% MORE LIKELY TO HAVE CORRUPTION CONVICTIONS THAN COUNCIL-MANAGER. IT'S NOT TO SAY MAYOR-COUNCILS ARE CORRUPT. BUT THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE THERE BECAUSE MAYORS HAVE THE ABILITY TO HIRE ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, ALL OF THEM REPORT TO THE MAYOR. THIS ISSUE OF CORRUPTION, HOW DO WE MINIMIZE CORRUPTION CAN HAPPEN IN EITHER FORM. BUT HOW DAZ -- DOES THAT HAPPEN AND HOW DO WE MINIMIZE IT. COUNCIL MANAGER REQUIRES A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL TO GO ALONG WITH ANY KIND OF DIRECTION OR STAFF ADVANCING PERMITS OR OTHER KINDS OF ISSUES LIKE THAT SO IT'S HARDER UNDER THAT FORM. IT'S POSSIBLE. >>COUN. GROUT: COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. MR. GRANT, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. CAN YOU GO OVER THE VALUE OF HAVING THE MAYOR- -- THE MANAGER-COUNCIL FORM OF GOVERNMENT, THE VALUE. TO THE CITIZENS. >> I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR THAT LAST PART. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I WAS JUST ASKING FOR THE VALUE TO THE CITIZENS IN REFERENCE TO THE FORM OF GOVERNMENT THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. >> YEAH, AGAIN, A LOT OF THIS COMES DOWN TO IN A COMMUNITY WHAT ARE THE VALUES OF THE COMMUNITY AND HOW DO THEY HOLD THEIR GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILITY TO DELIVER THE PROGRAMS AND SERVICES PROMISED. UNDER COUNCIL-MANAGER FORM, THE KEY DIFFERENCE AND SEPARATION OF POWERS NO LONGER EXIST IN COUNCIL MANAGER. THE COUNCIL AND MAYOR ARE ONE BODY. THEY HAVE POWER OVER THE ADMINISTRATION AND OF THE LEGISLATIVE FUNCTIONS. THEY DELEGATE ANOTHER TO A MANAGER BUT THEY MAINTAIN THE POWER OVER THAT BECAUSE THE MANAGER ISN'T DELIVERING AS PROMISED THEY'RE ABLE TO FIRE THE MANAGER IF THEY'RE NOT DOING THE JOB. THE CITIZENS CAN COME TO THEIR ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES AND SAY GOVERNMENT IS NOT WORKING THE WAY IT NEEDS TO BE WORKING. AND THE COUNCIL CAN TAKE ACTION. THAT'S ONE OF THE VALUES FOR THE PEOPLE. THE OTHER THING IS THE LONG-TERM PLANNING AND STRATEGY. A MAYOR IS EVERY FOUR YEARS, IF THEY HAVE SECOND ELECTION, EIGHT YEARS. THOSE TERMS MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT TO DO LONG-RANGE PLANNING. THE COUNCIL CAN ADOPT A 30-YEAR PLAN OR HAVE A FIVE-YEAR PLAN THAT THE BUDGET SHOWS HOW IT FILLSES THAT, BUT NONE OF THAT IS REQUIRED BECAUSE OF THE SEPARATION OF POWER. A MAYOR MAY CHOOSE TO FOLLOW THAT LONG-TERM PLAN OR NOT. A CITY MANAGER IS THERE TO FOLLOW THAT STRATEGIC PLAN THAT THE COUNCIL WITH THE MAYOR ADOPTS. AND EVERYTHING SHOULD BE GORED TOWARD THAT. THERE'S MORE INTERACTION WITH THE PUBLIC SO THE COUNCIL CAN MAKE THOSE INFORMED DECISIONS. AND ALL THOSE DECISIONS REST WITH THE COUNCIL WHICH WOULD BE ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PEOPLE. THE PEOPLE HAVE ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES AS A BODY FOR EVERY ACTION OF GOVERNMENT. BOTH IN THE ADMINISTRATION AND IN THE POLICY-MAKING ASPECTS. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES, THANK YOU SO MUCH. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. GRANT FOR COMING THIS EVENING. I KNOW YOU'RE BACK EAST. WHERE I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. >> ABSOLUTELY. IF ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO EMAIL OR REACH OUT. YIPE HAPPY TO I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME WE'RE MOVING TO QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD FOR THE ADMINISTRATION. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE ADMIN ON R-128 WHICH WAS PASSED BY THIS COUNCILLASH -- LAST MEETING. IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE ADMINISTRATION TOLD THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY SHARED MY CONCERNS THAT THIS BODY AND THIS CITY SHOULD NOT BE INTERFERING WITH COMMUNITY'S RIGHT TO FILE A PETITION AT THE ALBUQUERQUE BERNALILLO COUNTY AIR QUALITY CONTROL BOARD. THEY WERE TOLD THAT WOULD BE VETOED. IT WAS NOT VETOED. I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT HAPPENED THERE? IF SOMEONE CAN GIVE AN EXPLANATION OF WHAT TRAN SPIRED. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, I'LL HAVE MR. GRIEGO GIVE A PRESENTATION OF WHAT HAPPENED. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, COUNCILOR, SO I HAVE THE LANGUAGE HERE. JUST TO BE DIRECT ABOUT IT, IT WAS AN ADMINISTRATIVE ERROR. THE MAYOR VETOED IT AND SIGNED THE MESSAGE ON MAY 18 WHICH WAS A TEN-DAY PERIOD. THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS WE TAKE DOWN TO COUNCIL. NO EXCUSES, BUT FOR A FB OF REASONS THAT LAST STEP DIDN'T HAPPEN. I WANT TO ASSURE YOU THAT THE MAYOR -- THE VETO -- HE DID NOT SUPPORT LEGISLATION. I JUST WANT TO READ THE VETO MESSAGE SO EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT HE DID SAY. R-128 IS MISGUIDED AND INAPPROPRIATE INTRUSION INTO THE RULE MAKING PROCESS OF THE JOINT CITY-COUNTY AIR QUALITY BOARD. THE RULE SHOULD BE DRIVEN BY COMMUNITY MEMBERS MOST EFFECTED BY AIR QUALITY AND NOT THE ALBUQUERQUE CITY COUNCIL OR MAYOR FOR THAT MATTER AND SHOULD BE ALLOWED PUBLIC HEARINGS, COMMENTS AND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR REVISIONS PROVIDED FOR IN THE RULE MAKING PROCESS. FOR THAT REASON I EXERCISE MY VETO AUTHORITY OVER R-128 AND URGE THE COUNCIL TO RESPECT ININDEPENDENCE OF THE AIR QUALITY CONTROL BOARD AND WE APOLOGIZE FOR MISSING THAT BY A COUPLE DAYS. WE TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY AND THE PERSON WHO DOES THAT IS ON MY TEAM. ULTIMATELY, I -- THE BUCK STOPS WITH ME. OUR APOLOGIES FOR THAT, COUNCILOR. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. I APPRECIATE THE FOLLOW UP. I THINK IT'S A SERIOUS PROBLEM WHEN WE PROMISE THE COMMUNITY SOMETHING AND WE DO NOT GET IT TO THEM. IF WE TELL COMMUNITY MEMBERS WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING IT FEELS VERY SUSPICIOUS TO THE COMMUNITY WHEN WE DON'T FOLLOW THROUGH. I BELIEVE THIS WAS A MISTAKE. BUT, IT IS REALLY HARD FOR THE COMMUNITY AFTER ALL THAT'S GONE ON WITH THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, TO TRUST THAT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE TAKE ALL THE STEPS WE HAVE TO TAKE TO NOT HAVE THOSE PROMISES BROKEN AGAIN ON THIS ISSUE OR ANY OTHER ISSUES. THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A MISCONCEPTION. I THINK -- THIS IS A MISPERCEPTION OF THE -- BUT IT'S NOT. THAT BILL WAS EXTREMES -- EXTREMELY CLEAR. IT WASN'T IN ANY WAY AN INTERFERENCE OF THE AIR QUALITY BOARD. IN FACT, REALLY, IT WAS HONORING THAT INDEPENDENCE AND ENCOURAGING MORE COMMUNITY SUPPORT. I WOULD ALMOST SAY, THINGS CAN BIS UNDERSTOOD. I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THIS CAN BE MISUNDERSTOOD. THE MAJORITY OF THIS COUNCIL AGREED WITH THE STATEMENT WHERE THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT A PROCESS THAT WAS GOING THROUGH ON THE AIR QUALITY BOARD ON A SPECIFIC ISSUE AND THIS COUNCIL MADE A SPECIFIC STATEMENT TO SAY WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE AIR QUALITY BOARD FOLLOWS A PROCESS THAT WOULD REALLY HONOR THAT BOARD AND HONOR THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND THE STAKEHOLDERS INVOLVED IN THAT. IT CERTAINLY -- I DISAGREE WITH THE STATEMENT BY THE ADMINISTRATION ABOUT IT. I'M GLAD THAT STATEMENT BY THIS COUNCIL WILL STAND. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. I JUST WANTED TO STATE FOR THE RECORD I WAS ACTUALLY ON ZOOM THAT EVENING. I DON'T THINK MY VOTE CHANGES THE OUTCOME. I JUST WANT TO SAY FOR THE RECORD -- I THINK THIS IS THE FINAL ITEM, WE DID THE VOTE COUNT. MY VOTE DIDN'T GET COUNTED. IT WAS REAL INTERESTING BECAUSE MEN MANDY ASKED IF IT WAS YES OR NO, I SAID NO. BUT I GUESS SHE DIDN'T HEAR IT. AND SHE WENT ON TO SAY IT WAS 7-1. RIGHT AWAY I WAS LIKE, I DIDN'T GET -- BUT THEN AS SOON AS THAT COUNT ENDED THEY SAID MEETING ADJOURNED AND COUNCILOR DAVIS WAS DONE. I TEXT OUR PRIOR DIRECTOR IMMEDIATELY AFTERWARDS. HE SAID THAT IT WOULDN'T STAND. JUST FOR THE RECORD, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE, COUNCILORS? I HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS TO MAKE. I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU, MR. GRIEGO. I'D LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE COMMUNITY CENTERS IN OUR AREA. I DON'T THINK THAT ENOUGH PEOPLE REALIZE EVERYTHING OUR COMMUNITY CENTERS DO. AND HAVE TO OFFER. KIDS ARE STARTING THE SUMMER SCHOOL PROGRAMS NOW. IT'S TO KNOW THEY'RE IN A HEALTHY, SAFE SPACE WHERE THEY CAN CONTINUE TO LEARN AND HAVE FUN OVER THE SUMMER. ESPECIALLY WANT TO CALL OUT STAFF AT THE SINGING ARROW COMMUNITY CENTER AND THEIR MANAGER -- NATASHA BACA. THIS GROUP, ALONG WITH DEJA, SHE'S THE MANAGER OF THE -- COMMUNITY CENTER. DOMNIC SAAVEDRA, AND CUSANDRA VIGIL. AND KRISTEN CHAVEZ-SMITH. SHE'S THE DIVISION MANAGER. DIRECTOR, YOU HAVE A WONDERFUL STAFF. THEY WORK TOGETHER AND THEY PULL TOGETHER THE SINGING ARROW MULTICULTURAL ARTS FESTIVAL ON MAY 6. THEIR ENERGY AND CREATIVITY WERE AMAZING. AND THE EVENT WOULDN'T HAVE COME TOGETHER WITHOUT THEM. I ESPECIALLY WANT TO CALL OUT NATASHA'S CREATEATIVY. AND HER PASSION FOR TEACHING CHILDREN. IT WAS HER IDEA TO HAVE A CULTURAL ART CONTEST FOR THE CHILDREN IN THE AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS AT OUR CENTERS. AND THIS WAS FOR ALL OF THE CENTERS. IT WASN'T JUST THOSE CENTERS. SHE TURNED IT INTO AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET CHILDREN THINKING ABOUT THEIR OWN FAMILY AND COMMUNITY CULTURE AND HOW IT SHAPES THEM. WE GOT INCREDIBLE PIECES OF ART WORK. ALL OF THE CHILDREN WROTE A PARAGRAPH EXPLAINING WHAT THEIR CULTURE MEANS TO THEM AND HOW THEY EXPRESS IT. ONE CHILD'S ART WORK WAS SELECTED TO REPRESENT OUR CITY ON THE OFFICIAL ART FESTIVAL SHIRT. IT WAS BEAUTIFUL. I THINK SHE WAS 11 OR 13. I DON'T REMEMBER. BUT IT WAS VERY, VERY GOOD. CAROL, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU AND YOUR STAFF FOR GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND TO MAKE OUR FIRST MULTI-CULTURAL ARTS FESTIVAL A SUCCESS. THANK YOU. [ APPLAUSE ] >> THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO THE JOURNAL. I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE MAY 13th JOURNAL. COUNCILORS, SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. ANY OPPOSED? IT PASSES. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, COUNCILOR DAVIS. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. THANK YOU TO COUNCILORSES AND EVERYBODY FOR GETTING THROUGH THIS. LET'S GET TO A THROUGH COMMUNICATION AND INTRODUCTION AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT OUR AMENDED AGENDA OR UPDATED AGENDA. ANY CHANGES TO THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION? I HAVE ONE. WHICH IS -- I'LL MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR PLACING EC297. IT'S AN APPROVAL OF ON-SITE MEDICAL SERVICES FOR OCCUPATIONAL HEALTH SERVICES. SECOND FROM MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL COUNCILORS BEING PRESENT WE CAN DO IT BY HAND. ALL THOSE SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND UNTIL YOUR COUNTED. THAT'S UNANIMOUS. COUNCILORS, I ALSO MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR PLACING R-140 ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. THAT APPROVES AND AUTHORIZES GRANT APPLICATIONS IN THE ACCEPTANCE AND POTENTIAL GRANT AWARDS FOR MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS FOR GRANT OR AGENCIES AND APPROPRIATIONS THERETO. IS THERE A SECOND? COUNCILOR BENTON ON THAT ONE. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT MATTER IS UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR BENTON. YOU HAVE A MATTER FOR -- >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR PLACING R-144 AND PLACING IT ON THE JUNE 21st COUNCIL AGENDA. R-144 IS APPROVING A JOINT POWERS AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE AND BERNALILLO COUNTY COMMISSION. ESTABLISHING THE MIDDLE RIO GRANDE HOUSING COLLABORATIVE. >>COUN. DAVIS: MOTION AND SECOND ON THE MATTER OF R-144. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT MATTER CARRIES. THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDENT. I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR BENTON. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION? THAT MATTER CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. WE HAVE NO REPORTS OF COMMITTEES SUBMITTED. ANY DEFERRALS OR WITHDRAWALS? SEEING NONE. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. ANY CHANGES TO TONIGHT'S CONSENT AGENDA? MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDENT, I PULL ITEM H, EC-296 OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA. >>COUN. DAVIS: THERE'S NO VOTE NEEDED. WE'LL COME UP TO THAT ITEM IN A MINUTE. MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, ANYTHING ELSE? >>COUN. GROUT: CAN I JUST ASK ABOUT THAT NOW? >>COUN. DAVIS: LET'S DO THE VOTE AND WE'LL COME TO THE ITEM. >>COUN. GROUT: I MOVE TO APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS ON TONIGHT'S CONSENT AGENDA HERE AND VOLUNTEERING IT TO PARTICIPATE WE APPRECIATE YOU. WE ARE APPRECIATING YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE AND CONGRATULATIONS. I APPRECIATE THE ADMINISTRATION VERY MUCH WORKING WITH US TO GET SOME OF THE ITEMS READY FOR CONSENT AGENDA THIS EVENING BECAUSE WE TAKE THE MONTH OF JULY OFF AND THE MAYOR'S STAFF TO MAKE SURE DEPARTMENTS HAD THEIR THINGS TOGETHER. COUNCILORS, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA WITHOUT 296 SAY YES. ANY OBJECTION? COUNCILOR GROUT. YOU PULLED EC296. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. I GUESS IT'S FOR ADMIN. HOW WILL THIS CONTRACT STREAMLINE THE WAY CHIEF'S OVERTIME IS MANAGED? >> MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, LET ME HAVE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT COME AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THE CONTRACT IS AND HOW IT WORKS. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. >> MR. PRESIDENT, CAN WE COME BACK TO THAT? >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO THAT ITEM WHEN OUR PRESENTER IS AVAILABLE. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON. [ INAUDIBLE ] >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR PEÑA, THANK YOU. DON'T FORGET TO USE YOUR MIC. COUNCILOR PEÑA WAS CALLING YOU OUT. I WANT HER TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE IT IS. I WAS ASKING MR. PRESIDENT, IF SHE MADE THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF WILLINGNESS TO SERVE DURING THE CONSENT DURING THE AGENDA. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE DID. >>COUN. PEÑA: I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR IT. I JUST WANTED TO SAY YOU'RE IN THE AUDIENCE. THANK YOU. [ NOBBLE [ INAUDIBLE ]. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. I DIDN'T SEE HER. WHILE WE'RE WAITING ON THE OTHER -- WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO ANNOUNCEMENTS. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THERE WILL BE AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL LEGISLATIVE RELATIONS COMMITTEE MEETING ON WAEND JUNE 11 VIA ZOOM. AND LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING MEET ON WEDNESDAY JUNE 14th AT 5 P.M. IN THE COUNCIL COMMITTEE ROOM ON THE NINTH FLOOR, THIS WILL BE A HYBRID MEETING. SDMRD THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: GETTING USED TO THE MIC. THERE'S A FINANCE AND GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS COMMITTEE MEET ONG MONDAY JUNE 12th AT 5 P.M. VIA ZOOM VIDEO CONFERENCE. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, SIR. WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO YOUR ITEM. FOLKS, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS EVENING. WE HAVE 127 PEOPLE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. THAT'S QUITE A NUMBER BY MY MEMORY. HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. THEY ALLOW FOR SPEAKERS TO HAVE TWO MINUTES DURING PUBLIC COMMENT. WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO PULL THAT BACK IF THINGS GET OUT OF HAND. WE'RE COMBOOT LET YOU SPEAK AS LONG AS YOU NEED. DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE TO USE IT. IT'S OKAY TO SAY I AGREE WITH WHAT SHE SAID. WE WANT YOU DO HAVE A CHANCE TO PARTICIPATE. IF YOU'RE SIGNED UP ON A SPECIFIC BILL WE WILL GET TO THOSE WHEN WE CALL YOUR BILL. HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. WE'RE GOING TO DO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT SO THE FOLKS HERE WITH US CAN SAY THEIR PIECE AND GO HOME IF THEY LIKE OR STAY WITH US. AND FOR ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE STAFF AND DIRECTORS WHO ARE HERE FOR THE GRANT BILL WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE GRANT BILL BEFORE OUR DINNER BREAK SO DIRECTORS AND STAFF WHO AREN'T INVOLVED IN THE IDO OR ANY OTHER ITEMS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK TO WORK. AND THE COUNCIL WILL TAKE A DINNER BREAK. WE'LL COME BACK AND TAKE ALL OF OTHER ITEMS AFTER THAT. IF WE'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON ALL OF THE BILLS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET TO YOU UNTIL AFTER THE DINNER BREAK. THAT'S AFTER AN HOUR AND A HALF OF PUBLIC COMMENT. IF YOU LOVE TO PACHRENNIZE BLPG THAT BEING SAID, MR. SYLVAN, DO YOU HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT QUESTION FOR COUNCILOR GROUT ON EC296 OR WOULD THE ADMINISTRATION PREFER TO WAIT? >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILORS, I CAN CUE THAT UP FOR APD WHEN THEY GET BACK. LONG AND SHORT, IS OFF DUTY MANAGEMENT IS GOING TO WORK ON BILLING WITH CHIEF'S OVERTIME. AND IT'S AN NAPT -- INDEPENDENT COMPANY OUTSIDE OF APD. WHAT HAPPENS IS THE COMPANY, THE BUSINESS WANTS TO HIRE APD OFFICERS FOR OVERTIME, THEY GO INTO THIS SYSTEM AND THEY ASK THE FOLKS WHAT THEY NEED AND WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. IF THE SOP IS MET BY THE BUSINESS THAT'S REQUESTING IT, THE OVERTIME IS APPROVED AND OFFICER GOES ON TO THE APP ON THEIR PHONE AND THEY-LOOK AT THE JOBS AVAILABLE AND THEY JUST GRAB THE OVERTIME THAT'S OUT THERE. THIS BASICALLY STREAMLINES THE WHOLE PROCESS OF DOING CHIEF'S OVERTIME AT NO COST TO THE CITY. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. >> I MIGHT ADD, COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILORS, SEVERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES ARE USING THIS RIGHT NOW. MASSACHUSETTS STATE POLICE, MESA, ARIZONA POLICE DEPARTMENT. TUCSON POLICE DEPARTMENT, VIRGINIA POLICE DEPARTMENT AND SHERIFF'S OFFICES. IT'S A PROCESS THAT'S NOT NEW. WE'RE USING -- IT'S GOOD THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS LOOKING INTO TECHNOLOGY AND USING WAYS OF BETTERING AND SAVING TIME. >>COUN. GROUT: VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT. MR. PRESIDENT, CAN I MOVE EC296? >>COUN. DAVIS: WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE EC296. I'M GOING TO ASK MR. SYLVAN A QUESTION. IF YOU KNOW OR FOR THE ADMINISTRATION, IN A SITUATION WHERE A BUSINESS HAS A LONG-TERM RELATIONSHIP WITH A PARTICULAR OFFICER AND THEY KNOW THE PROCEDURES AND THEY HIRE THE SAME OFFICER FOR OVERTIME, DOES THIS PROCESS ALLOW THAT? OR IS IT TOTALLY MORE EQUITABLE OR ACROSS THE BOARD FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE? >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILORS, NO, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. I THINK IT'S FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE. I DEFER TO THE ADMINISTRATION. >>COUN. DAVIS: IF WE DON'T KNOW THAT'S FINE. I'M JUST CURIOUS. >> MR. PRESIDENT, IT'S ON A FIRST-COME, FIRST SERVE BASIS. WE'RE TRYING TO EPISURE -- ENSURE WE SPREAD THE WORK AROUND AND WE DON'T GET LOCKED INTO ONE PARTICULAR PERSON FOR ONE PARTICULAR AREA. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, MR. RAEL AND MR. SYLVAN. I THINK THAT'S A BETTER WAY TO DO IT LONG-TERM. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS APPROVE EC296. ANY QUESTIONS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RARE YOUR HAND. THAT MATTER CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'RE BACK ON PUBLIC COMMENT. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN PROVIDE LIVE PUBLIC COMMENT IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY FOR THOSE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT PER OUR INSTRUCTIONS PUBLISHED ON THE AGENDA. THERE ARE A FEW GROUND RULE. EACH PARTICIPANT HAS UP TO TWO MINUTES TO PRESENT. YOUR COMMENTS ARE TO BE ADDRESSED TO THE COUNCILORS ONLY THROUGH THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT. ANY DISRUPTIVE COMMENT MAY RESULT IN REMOVAL. THERE'S A TWO MINUTE TIME LIMIT AND A BILL BELL WILL RING. FOR THOSE ON ZOOM YOU HAVE A COUNTER AND YOU'LL SEE THAT. I'M TURN THE FLOOR OVER AND CALL OUR PRESENTERS. IF YOU'RE CALLED, COME ON DOWN. IF YOU'RE CALLED TO FOLLOW, COME DOWN TO THE ON DECK CIRCLE. THE THREE CHAIRS ARE RIGHT FOR YOU. COME ON DOWN AND WE'LL BE READY. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS ILSE, FOLLOWED BY JANS. -- JANICE. >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. I WAS A VOLUNTEER TEAM LEAD DURING THIS YEAR'S PIT COUNT. I WORKED SOMETHING LIKE TEN OR ELEVEN SHIFTS DURING THAT TIME. I WAS PLEASED TO HEAR THAT WE MIGHT HAVE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB AND THAT'S WHY THE NUMBERS WERE HIGH. BUT IT'S ALWAYS SO DRASTIC UNDERCUT. RATHER THAN COUNTING PEOPLE MULTIPLE TIMES, THERE'S THE SAFEGUARDS BUT THERE'S ALSO -- IT'S A BIT OF A CHORE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. IT'S RATHER A CASE, SOME PEOPLE SAY I'VE ALREADY DONE IT RATHER THAN GOING THROUGH THE WHOLE THING AGAIN. MY POINT AND THE REASON WHY I'M HERE TONIGHT IS I FEEL THAT TO CONDUCT THE COMMISSION -- DEXHIPGZING WHICH DISPLACES PEOPLE IN TENT PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE STREET, WHILE WE'RE TRYING TO COUNT THEM IS ASININE. I HEARD WHAT THE DIRECTOR SAID THAT THEY WERE CERTAIN CONSTRAINTS AND THEY DIDN'T DO ANY OF THE DEXHIPGZING DECOMMISSIONING WITHIN 14 DAYS OF THE COUNT AND IT WAS IMMINENT HAZARD. THE IMMINENT HAZARD IS AN EASY WAY TO SAY WE HAD TO DO IT. I KNOW BECAUSE I INTERVIEWED PEOPLE WHO HAD BEEN SWEPT IMMEDIATELY PRIOR TO THE PIT COUNT LIKE THE SUNDAY BEFORE WE STARTED ON THE TUESDAY AS WELL AS THEY SAW SOME OF THE POLICE OFFICERS STARTING TO REMOVE PEOPLE WHILE WE WERE DOING THE PIT COUNT. AND WE HAVE SEVERAL OTHER AGENCIES WHO ALSO NOTED THIS TYPE OF ACTIVITY AND INTERVIEWED PEOPLE WHO HAD BEEN SWEPT. THAT IS JUST STUPID. THANK YOU. >> JANICE, FOLLOWED BY SIMON. >> MR. PRESIDENT, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO THE INTEGRATED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE WAS ADOPTED WITH EXPRESSED GOALS THAT INCLUDED PROTECTING ALL COMMUNITIES ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT HAD BEEN HISTORICALLY UNDERSERVED AND PROTECTING THE QUALITY AND CHARACTER OF RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. SOMEWHERE IN THERE THERE WAS A GOAL THAT UPDATES WOULD INCLUDE BROAD PUBLIC INPUT AND THOROUGH VETTING. I ASSURE YOU THAT MY NEIGHBORS ARE VERY SURPRISED AT WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL IS CONSIDERING. NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT O-22-54 ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITERIZE NOT A QUICK FIX TO AVAILABLE LOW-COST HOUSING. YET, ABU ON A CONDITIONAL BASIS IS APPROPRIATE FOR SOME NEIGHBORS AND NEIGHBORHOODS. IT APPEARS TO ME THAT THE CURRENT IDO UPDATESES ARE NOT READY FOR ADOPTION. FURBTHER, O-22-54 PREVIOUSLY CALLED SECONDARY DWELLING UNITS WILL LIKELY DESTROY THE QUALITY AND CHARACTER OF RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. YOU HAVE THE POWER TO STEP BACK AND MAKE COURSE CORRECTIONS NOW. PLEASE CONSIDER, ONE, MORE NOTICE, TWO, INPUT BY ALL NEIGHBORHOODS AND RESIDENTS. A CONDITIONAL USE STANDARD FOR ALL SINGLE FAMILY R-1 DESIGNATED PROPERTIES AND A REVIEW OF PARKING AND TRASH COLLECTION ISSUES IN EACH NEIGHBORHOOD. NEWER EXISTING WEST SIDE DEVELOPMENT DO NOT HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING FOR VEHICLES MUCH LESS FOR TRASH COLLECTIONS. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. AND I THANK YOU EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. THANK YOU. >> SIMON FOLLOWED BY -- >> I THINK HE'S HAVING A HEARING PROBLEM. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANKS. WE HAVE ASSISTIVE HEARING DEVICES. >> IS THERE AN OVERHEAD PROJECTOR ANYMORE? THANK YOU. I CAME HERE ON MY OWN. I REPRESENT NO ONE, I SPEAK FOR NO ONE BUT MYSELF. THIS IS AN ARTICLE FROM THE JOURNAL FROM 2020. IT'S ABOUT ROY CADEN. HE WAS A NEIGHBOR OF MINE WHEN I LIVED ON CORNELL. HE WAS ALSO A PROFESSOR. HE WAS BRUTALLY MURDERED. HE WAS IN HIS 90TH YEAR. THIS ARTICLE CAME OUT FIVE MONTHS AFTER HIS TERRIBLE MURDER. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYTHING HAS PROGRESSED ON THIS. IT'S REALLY, REALLY SAD THAT INFORMATION IS NOT GETTING OUT TO THE PUBLIC. AND I HAVEN'T BEEN TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. JUST THE OTHER DAY I WAS ON BUENA VISTA. THERE'S A SHRINE TO THE YOUNG MAN MURDERED AND HIS BODY WAS BURDEN. THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME I'VE COME ACROSS SOMEBODY I'VE KNOWN OR A STRANGER THAT'S BEEN BRUTALLY KILLED. I ACTUALLY DROVE UP JUST AFTER A MAN HAD BEEN DOUSED WITH GASOLINE UNDER THE 12th STREET OVERPASS AND BURDEN TO DEATH. I WAS WONDERING WHY IS THERE A FIRE DEPARTMENT, POLICE DEPARTMENT, EMERGENCY SERVICES. THERE'S A LOT OF UNFORTUNATE THINGS GOES ON. I REALLY CAME TO TALK ABOUT ROY. ROY HAD DEDICATED HIS LIFE TO EDUCATION TO IN LIGHTENING PEOPLE. HE WAS A VERY DECENT HUMAN BEING. I KNOW COUNCIL ALWAYS HAS A DAY DEDICATED TO CERTAIN CITIZENS AND I THINK MAYBE TO SHINE SOMETHING ON ROY AND HIS WIFE, THIS COUNCIL WOULD DEDICATE A DAY TO DR. ROY CADEN. HE DEDICATED 30-SOME YEARS TO EDUCATING PEOPLE. HE WAS REALLY -- HE FIRST DID RESEARCH. WHEN HE REALIZED RESEARCH WAS ABSORBING HIM HE WENT BACK T EDUCATING PEOPLE. THANK YOU. >> SIMON, GET SOME OF THE INFORMATION TO THE STAFF AND WE'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT. >> DO WE HAVE A CHARLEY EVANS? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. HE'S A CONSTITUENT THAT'S 88 YEARS OLD. NOT ABLE TO JOIN US BECAUSE HE DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO USE THE TECHNOLOGY AND HE'S USUALLY IN BED BY NOW. HE'S ALMOST 90 YEARS OLD. HE SENT THIS LETTER AND WOULD LIKE THIS -- THIS IS SOMETHING WE DON'T NORMALLY DO. BUT SINCE WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S ALMOST 90 YEARS OLD I'M GOING TO READ HIS LETTER. I'M CHARLEY EVANS. GOD BLESSED ME SO I'M A RETIRED SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS OWNER INCLUING HAVING OWNED AND OPERATED NAVAJO LAKE MARINA AND STORES. I'M A PAST POLITICAL CHAIRMAN AND FORMER CITY COUNCILLOR. I LIVE IN COUNCILOR BENTON'S DISTRICT. I SERVED AS A COUNCILMAN WITH THE CITY. CITY MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT. OUR MAYOR WAS INVOLVED IN ALL ASPECTS OF BUSINESS AND WORKED CLOSELY WITH BOTH COUNCIL AND THE CITY MANAGER. THIS FORM OF GOVERNMENT HELPED TO ENSURE NO SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP HAD MORE INFLUENCE THAN THE OTHER GROUP BECAUSE COUNCILORS RELIGIONED TO THE VOTERS IN THEIR DISTRICT AND ACTED APPROPRIATELY. WE WERE ABLE TO REACH MORE PEOPLE THAN THE MAYOR COULD DO ON HIS OWN. OUR MAYOR REQUESTED OUR MEETINGS STARTED WITH A PRAYER TO GOD ALL MIGHTY. I ASK THAT CITY COUNCIL PASSES THIS CHARTER AMENDMENT AND ALLOW THE VOTING MEMBERS OF ALBUQUERQUE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THE CHOICE OF THE TYPE OF GOVERNMENT THAT WILL SERVE US BEST. THANK YOU. >> SHARON FOLLOWED BY WILL. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS. I AM A MEMBER OF WOMEN TAKING BACK OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE NEED CHANGE IN OUR CITY GOVERNMENT. IT IS NOT WORKING UNDER THE CURRENT MAYOR. MAYOR KELLER HAS BEEN MAYOR FOR EIGHT YEARS. DO YOU FEEL SAFER? THE HOMICIDE RATE HAS INCREASED TO ONE TO TWO MURDERS A DAY. HOMELESS IS RAMPANT. WE NEED A CHANGE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE COUNCIL AND THE CITY MANAGER TYPE OF GOVERNMENT. IF THE CITY MANAGER ISN'T DOING HIS JOB OR HER, SHE CAN BE FIRED. SO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> WILL FOLLOWED BY ANDRES. ANDRES FOLLOWED BY LARRY. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, I'M DIRECTOR OF A LONG-STANDING SOCIAL JUSTICE ORGANIZATION. I AM HERE IN OPPOSITION OF THE MOTION O-22-54. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. AND A COUPLE OF CONCERNS WE HAVE OVER THAT IS MOSTLY THAT THERE APPEARS -- THERE'S ALWAYS CONCERN OF LOSS OF OWNERSHIP WHEN YOU HAVE ZONING CHANGES AND VERY MUCH THE IDO APPEARS AS A DOCUMENT -- THAT'S VERY CONCERNS IN REGARD TO GENTRIFICATION. REGARDING THIS PASSAGE, A BIG CONCERN IS LOSS OF OWNERSHIP AND IN REFERENCE TO THE -- THE NOTICE OF VALUE PEOPLE RECEIVE WHEN THEY GET THEIR PROPERTY TAXES, THERE'S AN ITEM ON THERE, ITEM FOUR, AND IT POINTS OUT THAT WITH ZONING CHANGES OR STATUS CHANGES THAT IT COULD CAUSE GREATER INCREASE IN PROPERTY VALUE OR PROPERTY -- COST OF PROPERTY -- OR SHOULD I SAY COST OF YOUR TAXES GOING UP. ALSO, IN TERMS OF DISPLACEMENT, AND BEING CONCERNED ABOUT THE IDO, LINE 19 DOES ADDRESS ANTI- DISPLACEMENT MATTERS AND LINE 21 ADDRESSES THE HISTORICALLY MARGINALIZED. IT DOES NOT PROVIDE ENOUGH INCENTIVES AND NO SOLID ASSURANCES OF KEEPING YOUR PROPERTY OR NOT LOING IT. THANK YOU. >> LARRY FOLLOWED BY ERIC. >> GOOD EVENING, MR. PRESIDENT BRRB MEMBERS I'M LARRY, I'M A UNITED STATES AIR FORCE VETERAN. I ALSO A 20 YEAR RETIREEE FROM THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT. I'VE BEEN COMING TO THIS TYPE OF MEETING FOR OVER 25 YEARS AND WE'VE TALKED OVER THAT 25 YEARS OF HOW TO -- WHAT'S GOOD PUBLIC POLICY AND IT'S IMPORTANT. I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. AND UNDERSTAND WHAT A THANKNESS JOB IT IS. YOU CAN'T MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. IN THE MATTER BEFORE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHAT TYPE OF GOVERNMENT SHOULD THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE HAVE, CERTAINLY THE PRESENTATION THAT I HEARD AND YOU ALL HEARD THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD POINTS MADE. AND THE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE USING THE MANAGER-COUNCIL TYPE OF GOVERNMENT HAVE SUCCESS IN A COUPLE OF KEY METRICS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME AND ALL MEMBERS OF THIS COMMUNITY. THAT INCLUDES EDUCATION, ECONOMY, AND PUBLIC SAFETY. THE PUBLIC SAFETY BEING THE MOST IMPORTANT. AND I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU, YOU'RE NOT BEING ASKED TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT MAKING THAT CHANGE. YOU DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO PUT THAT MEASURE BEFORE THE VOTERS. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT. ON THE MATTER OF RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND IDO ZONING CHANGES, THE THINGS WE HAVE HAD IN EFFECT THAT PROTECT PROPERTY RIGHTS, RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD VALUES, ARE THERE FOR A REASON. MAKING PERMISSIVE USES FOR CASITAS OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THEM IS PROBLEMATIC IN MANY AREAS. MANY YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN COMING TO THE MEETINGS, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS NEED TO BUY IN IN ORDER FOR THERE TO BE MAJOR CHANGES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I DON'T BELIEVE YOU HAVE THAT TYPE OF BUY IN TO ALLOW FOR PERMISSIVE USES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> ERIC FOLLOWED BY TADDIUS. >> GOOD EVENING, I HAVE THREE QUICK THINGS. THIS DOOR BACK HERE NEEDS TO BE OPENED FOR HANDICAPPED COMING IN FROM PARKING GARAGE. NUMBER TWO. I HAVE A FRIEND THAT AN APD OFFICER WAS DATING HER HUSBAND DURING THE DIVORCE. SHE WENT OUT TO THE HOUSE AND WROTE A REPORT ABOUT HOW HORRIBLE A PARENT SHE WAS AND THE JUDGE AND GAL ARE TAKING THAT REPORT AS ABSOLUTE GOSPEL. NO ONE IN APD IS INTERESTED IN INVESTIGAING OR CORRECTING THIS ISSUE. I KNOW EVERY ONE OF YOU, IF YOU WERE GETTING A DIVORCE AND YOUR SPOUSE HAD APD BOYFRIEND OR GIRLFRIEND HAVE A ROR -- HORRIBLE REPORT WRITTEN ABOUT YOU IT WOULD BE HAPPY ABOUT IT. IT'S COST THIS LAY -- LADY HER KIDS AND THEY'RE BEING ABUSED. THAT'S NOT RIGHT AT ALL. I WON'T GO INTO ABUSE TO BE POLITE TO YOU GUYS. I CALLED CYFD. AND THE GAL SAID IT'S MADE UP. IT NEEDS LOOKED INTO. THE OTHER ISSUE IS WE HAVE TERM LIMITS FOR A REASON. MAYOR KELLER DOESN'T NEED TO HAVE A THIRD TERM. WE DID THAT WITH CHAVEZ AND FOUND OUT IT WAS A MISTAKE. TWO TERMSES IS ENOUGH. IT'S TIME FOR NEW PEOPLE. I THINK THE COUNCILORS SHOULD HAVE TERM LIMITS AS WELL. THANK YOU. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE APD PRESENT. YOU MIGHT WANT TO GO AHEAD AND SEE IF YOU CAN TALK TO THEM. I THINK THEY'RE A LITTLE BUSY. I THINK THEY CAN TALK TO YOU ABOUT YOUR CONCERN. >> I DID. IN THE CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT THING IS NOT WORKING. WE WENT TO THEM AND THEY DID NOTHING. THAT DOESN'T CREATE THE APPEARANCE OF APD BEING -- HAVING INTEGRITY. WE HAD A POLICE OFFICER RAPE A YOUNG LADY ON THE WEST MESA. THEY ARRESTED HIM -- >>COUN. SANCHEZ: WE HAVE THE ADMINISTRATION HERE. >> I TALKED WITH THEM A MINUTE AGO. THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK INTO IT. THE CHIEF NEEDS TO HAVE A PHONE. WHY DOESN'T THE CHIEF OF POLICE ANSWER HIS PHONE. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO BACK AND FORTH ON THAT. YOUR TIME IS UP. >> TADDIUS FOLLOWED BY MARCIE. >> THANK YOU. WELL, I'M NOT GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT HOUSING. ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. SO, NOW, I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU IF THAT ONLY -- MAKE PEOPLE -- I'M SORRY. HERE IS SUCH JUDGE -- JUDGE BRICKHOUSE. SECRETARY. AND HOW SHE WAS MANIPULATING. BECAUSE OF MY ACCENT. SHE KNEW MY NAME TOO. YES, I TALKED TO ADMINISTRATION. THEY TOLD ME -- NO, I'M SORRY. THIS IS ISSUE OF THE ADMINISTRATION OF ISSUE. I TOLD THIS YOUNG LADY. BECAUSE SHE WAS TELLING ME THE JUDGE CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANTED. I SAID NO. EVERY JUDGE GO BY STATE SUPREME COURT RULES. WELL, DIDN'T WORK. ANYWAY, IT IS A LOT OF PROBLEM. SAM BREGMAN -- WHAT'S HIS NAME? DIRECT ATTORNEY. COWARD. HOW CAN YOU WORK FOR SOMEONE THAT TOOK ORDERS THAT WAS ANOTHER -- ANOTHER -- SUPREME COURT AND JUDGE. YOU HAVE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHO THEY ARE. >> MARCIE FOLLOWED BY ANDREA. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. I AM TALKING ABOUT ISSUE OF HOMELESSNESS. WHICH HAS BEEN A PROBLEM. NOT JUST RECENTLY BUT THERE WAS AN ABC SPECIAL SHOWING HOW NEW YORK CITY WAS FLYING THEIR HOMELESS DOWN HERE AND I HAD A PERSONAL TESTIMONY FROM SOMEONE WHO TALKED TO APD WHO HAD -- THEY KNEW THIS HOMELESS PERSON WAS FLOWN BY AIRPLANE, GIVE AN VISA AND FLOWN SPECIFICALLY TO ALBUQUERQUE. THE PROBLEM HAS NOT BEEN JUST RECENT AND THE OTHER PART OF THIS IS THAT A BIG PART OF OUR HOMELESS POPULATION IN ALBUQUERQUE HAS INCREASED SINCE OUR BORDER HAS BEEN OPENED. BECAUSE OF OUR SANCTUARY STATUS, IT'S LIKE BEEN LET'S JUST LET ANYBODY IN. NOW, INSTEAD OF BEING ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THE HOMELESS WE'RE ALREADY OVERWHELMED WITH, WE NOW HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN FROM THE BORDER FROM ALL DIFFERENT COUNTRIES. AND THAT'S WRONG. WHAT I'D LIKE TO -- ONE OF THE THINGS I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST IS ANY HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS NEED TO BE PLACED IN THE COUNCILORS AREAS OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE VOTING FOR THEM RIGHT IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THAT YOU CAN ENJOY WHAT THE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE CITY ARE BEING SUBJECT TO WITH DIRTY NEEDLES, UNSAFE AREAS, THEIR CHARN BEING THREATENED. THE OTHER PART IS WITH THESE HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS AND THEM EPITHEMLESS SHELTERS, WHY ARE WE NOT OFFERING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE USING THE FACILITIES TO BE ABLE TO CLEAN THEM THEMSELVES? BECAUSE THAT BRINGS A SENSE OF HONOR, SENSE OF RESPONSIBILITY, AND IT GETS RID OF PART OF THE PROBLEM. I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT'S NOT BEING ADDRESSED. ALSO, PORTLAND SHOULD NOT BE OUR MODEL TO BE USING BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT VERY EFFECTIVE IN THAT. THANK YOU. >> ANDREA FOLLOWED BY PEGGY. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL, COUNCILOR DAVIS, I AM A SENIOR ADVISOR AT THE BLOOMBERING CENTER FOR EXCELLENCE. AND ADVISORY MEMBER. I'M HERE REPRESENTING MYSELF AS A RESIDENT IN DISTRICT EIGHT AND FORMER RESIDENT OF DISTRICT TWO. I'M HERE TODAY TO COMMENT ON THE INTEREST OF THE CITY IN MOVING TOWARD A COUNCIL-MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT. I APPRECIATE HEARING THE PRESENTATION THIS EVENING, I FEEL THE INFORMATION MIGHT HAVE A BENT TOWARD A COUNCIL MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT. HAVING THAT SAID I APPRECIATE THE COUNCIL GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILITY. REGARDLESS IF THE CITY MOVES TOWARD THE COUNCIL MANAGER OR REMAINS MAYOR COUNCIL FORM OF GOVERNMENT THERE'S A NUMBER OF CHANGES THE CITY CAN DO NOW TO INCREASE ACCOUNTABILITY AND GOVERNMENT TRANSPARENCY. NUMBER ONE, DEPARTMENTS RESPONSES TO EACH BILLS LISTED ON BY THE BILL. CITIES AROUND THE COUNTRIES ALL USE LEDGES LAR RESPONSES TO THE BILLS AND INFORMATION ON HOW THE BILL INTERSECTS WITH THE FUNCTIONS OF THE DEPARTMENT ARE POSTED. FISCAL ANALYSISES ARE ATTACHED AND RESIDENTS CAN DIGEST THE IMPACT ON THE EXECUTIVE AND LEGISLATIVE BRANCHS OF GOVERNMENT. THE CITY'S COMMUNICATION PLAN OUT OF THE MAYOR'S COMMUNICATION OFFICE AND CITY COUNCIL OFFICE INCLUDE TEXT MESSAING IN ORDER TO INCREASE RESIDENT PARTICIPATION. NUMBER THREE, STANDARDS REGARDING PROGRAM OUTCOMES REPORTING AVAILABLE FOR RESIDENT REVIEW. NUMEROUS BILLS ARE POSTED FOR INITIATIVES THAT INCLUDE SIGNIFICANT AND ONGOING APPROPRIATIONS, THE CITY HAS NOT YET STANDARDIZED A WAY TO REPORT OUTCOMES. WE DON'T KNOW IF OUR TAXPAYER MONEY IS GOING EFFECTUALLY INTO PROGRAMS AND MOVING THE NEEDLE ON COMMUNITY CONDITIONS. THERE'S NUMEROUS ADDITIONAL WAYS THAT TRANSPARENCY AND GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILITY CAN BE BUILT INTO THE SYSTEM. WHATEVER FORM OF GOVERNMENT IS IN PLACE. -- THAT SEEK TO ACTIVELY PARTICIPATE AS RESIDENTS IN OUR DECISION-MAKING PROCESS. THANK YOU. >> PEGGY FOLLOWED BY CARL ON ZOOM. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILORS. FOR THE RECORD, COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR METRICS FOR HOUSING FOR MORE THAN TEN YEARS. HOUSING FORWARD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SECURING AFFORDABLE HOUSING NOR IN HELPING HOMELESS POPULATIONS. IT GIVES AWAY GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOPERS AND PITS NEIGHBOR AGAINST NEIGHBOR. I ASK YOU TO INSIST THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT CONSULT WITH THE COMMUNITY TO BUILD HOUSING METRICS MOST IMPORTANTLY WE NEED A PERCENTAGE OF ALL NEW HOUSING TO BE DEDICATED TO OWNER OCCUPIED HOUSING. WE NEED A PERCENTAGE FOR AFFORDABLE, WE NEED PLANS FOR CHALLENGED HOUSING. DON'T PLACE ECONOMIC GROWTH ABOVE THE NEEDS OF CURRENT RESIDENTS AND FUTURE RESIDENTS. THE MAYOR'S HOUSING PLAN, I BELIEVE, IS A HOAX. IT IS A TRICKLE DOWN HOUSING WITHOUT EVIDENCE OF ANY SUCCESS ANYWHERE. AT ITS CONSENTTION THE IDO PROCESS WAS A SYSTEM TO ADDRESS TECHNICALAL AMENDMENTS. AT THAT TIME THE PUBLIC WAS TOLD THAT PLANNERS WOULD TALK WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS REGARDING CITY-WIDE AMENDMENTS THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED AT PLANNING MEETINGS ACROSS THE CITY. THIS PLAN HAS NOT HAPPENED. THIS YEAR'S IDO ANNUAL UPDATE NOW SETS FURTHER COMPROMISED PRESENCE BY INCLUING AND AN EGREGIOUS TAKING KNOWN AS HOUSING FORWARD ORDINANCE. UNDER YOUR APPROVALALES THE IDO AMENDMENT PROCESS THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A SIMPLE ADMINISTRATIVE TOOL NOW ALLOWS FOR SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE ALBUQUERQUE CITY ZONE CODE WITHOUT CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF THE BENEFICIARIES OR CLEAR IMPACT STATEMENTS WITHOUT CLEAR ANALYSIS OF RISK, WITHOUT EXAMPLES WITHOUT DATA, WITHOUT FULL MAPPING, WITHOUT SUMMARIES OF PUBLIC COMMENT. HOW CAN YOU REPRESENT? COUNCILOR BENTON, COUNCILOR JONES, COUNCILOR DAVIS, THIS IS YOUR LEGACY? THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE LEAVING FOR FUTURE RESIDENCES? RSIDENCES OF ALBUQUERQUE. RESIDENTS OF ALBUQUERQUE AND REZ DENS? NO PROTECTIONS? AND ADMINISTRATIONALLY SANCTIONED BROKEN POLICY. I ASK YOU AND URGE YOU TO VOTE NO ON HOUSING FORWARD AND I ASK YOU AGAIN TO PLEASE CONSIDER METRICS FOR HOUSING AND DEFER THE IDO ANNUAL AMENDMENTS UNTIL POLICIES ARE IN PLACE THAT PROTECT RESIDENTS. I STAND FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. >> CARL FOLLOWED BY PETER. >> GOOD EVENING, I AM THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR THE GREATER ALBUQUERQUE HOTEL LODGING ASSOCIATION. I'M SPEAKING REGARDING LEGISLATION ON O-22-54. GALA BROADLY SUPPORTS EFFORTS TO CHANGE THE IDO AS IT STREAMLINES THE EFFORTS FOR THE HOUSING FORWARD INITIATIVE SET FORTH BY THE KELLER ADMINISTRATION TO BRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON THE MARKETPLACE. WE SUPPORT THE CONVERSION OF HOTELS TO CREATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS PART OF THE REAL ESTATE CYCLE BY TAKING NO LONGER DESIRABLE OTELLS OFF THE MARKET. HOWEVER, ON THE DUPLEXES THERE MAY BE MORE WORK AND COMPROMISES NEEDED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS. WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S A NEED TO FIND WAYS TO POSITIVELY CONTRIBUTE TO THE CITY'S HOUSING STOCK AND IMPROVE AFFORDABLE WHILE ENCOURAGING SOME GROWTH AS WELL AS SPURRING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH FOR SMALL BUSINESSES. HOWEVER, WE DO URGE CITY COUNCIL THERE'S MUCH MORE EFFORTS TO SEEK COMMON SENSE APPROACH WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AND ALL STAKEHOLDERS. THANK YOU. VERY MUCH. >> PETER FOLLOWED BY CAMILLA. >> PLEASE GO AHEAD. >> SURE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'M THE DIRECTOR OF THE RIO GRANDE CHAPTER OF THE SIERRA CLUB WHICH REPRESENTS NEW MEXICO AND WEST TEXAS AND OVER 6,000 MEMBERS HERE IN ALBUQUERQUE. IME A -- I'M A GRADUATE OF ALBUQUERQUE HIGH SCHOOL BUT HAVE A MASTERS IN URBAN PLANNING FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF PUERTO RICO. I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR -- THERE SEEMS TO BE AN ECHO. I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN BE HEARD. >> WE CAN HEAR YOU JUST FINE. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S HARD TO CHANGE THE WAY WE THINK ABOUT OUR COMMUNITIES. I GREW UP IN THE SPRUCE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD AND I'M A HOMEOWNER IN VICTORY HILLS. I UNDERSTAND THE IDEA OF THE IDEALIC NON-SPRAWL BUT OPEN AREA AND AS A HOMEOWNER WITH THE YOUNG CHILDREN I UNDERSTAND THE FEELING OF THAT IDEALIZED COMMUNITY. BUT, THERE ARE 20,000 UNITS OF HOUSING NEEDED IN ALBUQUERQUE. AND IF WE TURN A BLIND EYE TO THAT, I'M NOT SURE THAT I'D BE THE KIND OF PARENT I WANT TO BE TO MY KIDS. KNOWING THAT THEIR FAMILIES WITH YOUNG CHILDREN WHO CAN'T AFFORD A PLACE TO LIVE. SO THE IDEA THAT CRAS DECEMBER CAS THE CRAS COULD MAKE SPACE FOR FAMILIES WHO ARE JUST GETTING STARTED IS PRETTY ATTRACTIVE. AT THE SAME TIME THE SIERRA CLUB IS LOOKING AT THIS FROM A CLIMATE STANDPOINT. URBAN SPRAWL IS LEADING TO GREATER EMISSIONS, DIFFICULT ACCESS TO TRANSPORTATION, AND NEED -- PROVIDE WATER AND ELECTRICITY AND UNDERSERVEDED AREAS. WE SUPPORT THE LEGISLATION AND HOPE FOR HOUSING FORWARD. THANK YOU. >> RACHEL FOLLOWED BY RINA. >> GOOD EVENING, MR. PRESIDENT, CITY COUNCIL, I'M RACHEL WITH ALBUQUERQUE HALITY FOR THE HOMELESS. AND I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE TONIGHT FOR OUR ORGANIZATION AND STANDING IN STRONG SUPPORT FOR THE GOALS FOR THE ZONING AMENDMENT. THESE ARE CLEARLY INTEND REFORMS NEEDED TO REDUCE REGULATORY BARRIERS TO -- WE SEE THIS AS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND CRITICAL -- ESPECIALLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THERE ARE ONLY -- THAT SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT RATES OF HOMELESSNESS. OVERALL RENT AND VACANCY RATES. WHERE HOUSING IS SCARCE AND MANY PEOPLE EXPERIENCE HOMELESSNESS. WHERE RENT IS LOWER FEWER PEOPLE ARE HOMELESS. WHAT THIS TELLS US IS HOMELESSNESS IS A HOUSING PROBLEM. ALBUQUERQUE NEEDS TO TAKE BOLD ACTION TO ENSURE WE BUILD MORE HOUSING. BOTH NEW MEXICO AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT -- REFORM ZONING TO INCREASE HOUSING PRODUCTION. -- CREATED -- DPRANT PROGRAM THAT THAT INCENTIVIZES LOCAL REFORMS OF THE ONES PROPOSED. ALBUQUERQUE SHOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ANY AND ALL OPPORTUNITIES TO LEVERAGE MORE STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDING. ONE CLEAR EXAMPLE OF THE NEED FOR THE CHANGES IS THE DIFFERENCE IN SUCCESS -- VERSUS THE CHALLENGE CALIFORNIA HAS HAD. HOUSTON AND CITIES IN CALIFORNIA -- HOUSTON HAS SEEN GREAT GAINS WHILE CALIFORNIA HAS NOT. CALIFORNIA CITIES HAVE SPENT DECADES THROWING UP OBSTACLES TO HOUSING CONSTRUCTION HOUSTON DECLINED TO IMPOSE A ZONING CODE. AS A RESULT HOUSTON HAS BUILT NEW HOUSINGS QUICKLY AND DRIVING DOWN COST AND THEY'RE LESS LIKELY TO FALL INTO HOMELESSNESS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT. >> KATRINA FOLLOWED BY LANA. >> HI, THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILORS. I'M SHOWING SUPPORT ON THE CHARTER AMENDMENT P-23-1 AND R-23-131 PROPOSED BY COUNCILOR GROUT AND COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. I AM THE WIFE OF OFFICER MARIO. AND ON AUGUST 19, 2021 HE WAS SEVERELY INJURED WITH OTHER OFFICERS RESPONDING TO A ROBBERY CALL. I'VE HAD OPPORTUNITIES TO SPEAK WITH REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS RUNNING FOR OFFICE AND CONCERNED VOTERS WHY OUR CITY CONTINUES TO STRUGGLE WITH THE SAME ISSUES OF CRIME, HOMELESSNESS, AND LACK OF POLICE OFFICERS ON THE STREETS. I WATCHED OUR CURRENT MAYOR CAMPAIGN ON PROMISES HE NEVER KEPT. HE WAS SO BELIEVABLE I VOTE FOR HIM THE FIRST TIME. I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH THE CURRENT MAYOR ONCE SINCE MARIO WAS SHOT AND HE WANTED NOTHING TO DO WITH ME AFTER THAT. IT MADE IT HARDER TO UNDERSTAND THE POWER HE CAN HOLD OVER OTHER AND WHY THINGS IS GETTING WORSE FOR OUR CITY. STATISTICS DO NOT LIE. WHEN OUR CURRENT MAYOR TOOK OFFICE THERE WAS 92 APPOINTES FROM THE PREVIOUS MAYOR OUR CURRENT MAYOR HAS OVER 400. OUR CITY'S FOUNDATION IS CRUM BLLG FLIEK THIS SYSTEM IS ALSO USED BY THE MAYOR TO PASS VOTERS AROUND AND NEVER GET HELP OR ANSWERS IF HE DOESN'T AGREE WITH UTYOU HAVE TO SAY. HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO EMPLOY ALL THESE APPOINTEES? LET VOTERS DECIDE IF THEY WANT A MAYOR CONTROLS ALL THE DECISIONS OR HIRE CITY MANAGER BACKED BY BIPARTISAN CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. TWO MINUTEICIZE NOT ENOUGH TIME TO GIVE EXAMPLES OF HOW IT CAN BENEFIT CITIZENS VERSUS WHAT WE'RE LIVING NOW. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. >> LANA FOLLOWED BY SOEF -- SOFIA. >> LANA, FOLLOWED BY SOFIA. >> GOOD EVENING. MR. PRESIDENT, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, I AM THE EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION. AND FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR THE TIME AND ENERGY YOU PUT INTO THE HOUSING FORWARD PLAN AND THE IDO ANNUAL UPDATE. WE DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THE STRUGGLE FOR MORE HOUSING AND MORE HOUSING OPTIONS. WE DO SUPPORT THE HOUSING FORWARD PLAN AND THE IDO ANNUAL UPDATE WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> SOFIA FOLLOWED BY GERALDO. >> GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK. -- I WANT TO MAKE REFERENCE TO THE RESOLUTION LAST MEETING TO BASICALLY CHALLENGE THE BERNALILLO COUNTY AND ALBUQUERQUE AIR QUALITY BOARD'S INDEPENDENCE IN MAKING REGULATORY DECISIONS. I WAS VERY SURPRISED AT THE MEETING WHEN SEVERAL OF THE COUNCILORS TALKED ABOUT HOW THEY BECAME CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THEY EXPOSED TO THE TOXICITY AND OTHER CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS AT ONE OF THE HOUSING AND SHELTER HOUSING PROJECTS. YET, IN THE VERY SAME MEETING THEY BASICALLY OPPOSED A HEARING PROCESS THAT WOULD ALLOW US AS MEMBERS OF THE RESIDENTS OF BERNALILLO AND ALBUQUERQUE TO REALLY REALLY LOOK AT ESTABLISHING AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD HELP BASICALLY KEEP OUR HEALTH SAFE IN TERMS OF CUMULATIVE IMPACTS AND AIR QUALITY. WE'RE VERY DISAPPOINTED NOW THAT THE MAYOR WHO HAS SAID HE WOULD VETO IT UNFORTUNATELY WASSTAFF WAS IN ABLE TO GET THAT TOGETHER. I GUESS THE QUESTION WE HAVE IS WHY WOULD THE CITY COUNCIL WANT TO CHALLENGE THE INDEPENDENCE OF ANOTHER BOARD, NUMBER ONE. WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO STOP AHERING ON HOW BAD OUR AIR QUALITY MIGHT BE AND BASICALLY STOP REALLY LOOK AT HOW BAD WOULD THIS COUNCIL AND OTHER GOVERNMENT ENTITIES WANT OUR AIR TO GET BEFORE WE REALLY LOOKED AT IT AND HAVE A HEARING? A HEARING IS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH AIR QUALITY WITHIN BERNALILLO COUNTY. WE'RE EDUCATING AND REALLY LOOKING AT THOSE CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE ALL FACING IN TERMS OF HEALTH. RESPIRATORY ASTHMA. AND IMPACTS OF THOSE THAT LIVE IN EPA -- THIS BOARD HAS RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT ITS PEOPLE. YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT YOUR OWN EXPOSURE AND NOT CARE ABOUT THE REST OF THE COUNTY AND CITY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> GERALDO FOLLOWED BY SANDRA. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, AND ALL THE COUNCILORS FOR SERVING YOUR COMMUNITIES. FIRST OF ALL, PLEASE ACCEPT MY APOLOGY. A FEW MEETINGS AGO FOR THE MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT ME BEING RETIRED. WITH THAT SAID, I'M SORRY ABOUT BEING INCENTIVE. I APPRECIATE THE LOVE AND CARE FOR THE HOMELESS IB -- IN ALBUQUERQUE. PLEASE HEAR MY CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS. ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE MOVED TO THE WEST SIDE IS SAVER NEIGHBORHOODS. ENJOYING SCENERY AND PROPERTY VALUES. ACCORDING TO U.S. AID BY NUMBERS, AS OF JANUARY 202310 MRNG ONE YEAR IN OUR PROPERTIES IN LAND WHEN THERE ARE PLENTY OF OPEN SPACE AWAY FROM OUR PROPERTIES OF LAND. I JUST THOUGHT ABOUT TRAFFIC, PROPERTY VALUE AND ZONING ISSUES. THOUGHT ABOUT REMOVING HEIGHT RESTRICTION FROM SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES. WHY NOT DO A PRACTICE RUN FOR THE HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS BY THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MAYOR BEFORE MOVING FORWARD. I BELIEVE IN THE LONG RUN IF THIS PLAN PASSES IT CREATES MORE CHAOS WITHIN THE CITY AND COMMUNITIES ESPECIALLY WITHIN NEIGHBORHOODS. PLEASE, VOTE NO ON O-22-54. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> SANDRA. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT APOLOGY. I APPRECIATE IT. >> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> SANDRA FOLLOWED BY ROSEMARY. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL PRESIDENT DAVIS, AND COUNCILORS. I AM ONE OF MANY RESIDENTS IN DISTRICT SIX WHICH COUNCILOR DAVIS REPRESENTS. I LIKE TO BRING UP THE FACT THAT IN EVERY MEETING THIS BODY HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS OF THE ADMINISTRATION. SOMETIMES THERE ARE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE OFFICE, THE QUESTIONS ARE DIRECTED TO, AND SOMETIMES THERE ARE NOT. MR. RAEL STATES THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO RESPOND BACK TO YOU IN AN EMAIL. AS THE QUESTIONS YOU ASK IN THIS PUBLIC FORUM, I BELIEVE, ARE MEANT TO PROVIDE INFORMATION TO ALL CONSTITUENTS. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE CAN BE SOME TYPE OF FOLLOW THROUGH AT THE NEXT MEETING, THE QUESTIONS ARE ASKED, SO WE KNOW IF THIS ADMINISTRATION IS ADDRESSING YOUR CONCERNS. BECAUSE ULTIMATELY YOU REPRESENT THE CONSTITUENTS OF THIS CITY. AND WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THE ADMINISTRATION IS FOLLOWING THROUGH ON THEIR PROMISE TO GET BACK TO YOU OR NOT. WE NEVER KNOW -- WE'RE NEVER FULLY INFORMED. I'LL JUST USE FROM JANUARY THROUGH NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S BEEN ANY FOLLOW THROUGH. IF THAT CAN BE DONE. THAT WOULD BE BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. WE NEED TO BE FULLY INFORMED IF OUR CITY IS BEING RAN CORRECTLY OR NOT. AND IF THE ADMINISTRATION IS COOPERAING WITH YOU AS A BODY. I TRULY APPRECIATE ANY RESPONSE. AND I WOULD ALSO URGE YOU TO VOTE NO ON O-22-54 THANK YOU. >> ROSEMARY FOLLOWED BY LACY. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. AND I SIGNED UP TODAY TO COMMENT IN SUPPORT OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE'S HOUSING FORWARD INITIATIVE. IN ITS VARIOUS COMPONENTS. BOTH THOSE IN O-22-45 AND O-23-77. I URGE YOU TO AUTHORIZE A VARIETY OF HOUSING ALTERNATIVES IN OUR ZONING DISTRICTS INCLUDING R1 AND RA. AND END THE NIGHTMARE AS THEIR RENTS INCREASE AND ACTIONS DECREASE. I URGE YOU TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND SUPPORT THE EXTENDED FAMILY NETWORKS PART OF OUR TRADITION OF THIS PART OF THE COUNTRY. AS CHILDREN GROW UP AND ATTEND COLLEGE AND GRADUATE SCHOOL AS GRANDPARENTS AGE AND NEED SPORE SUPPORT FROM CHILDREN ZONING FOR PRIMARY DWELLINGS AND SIMILAR ARRANGEMENTS FOR AGING FAMILY NEEDERIZE IMPORTANT FOR THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR MANY OF US. MYSELF INCLUDED. I WILL ADDRESS THE PARTICULARS OF O-22-54 AND O-22-77 WHEN THEY'RE CONSIDERED. FOR NOW, I ASK THAT YOU FOCUS ON THE NEEDS OF SO MANY IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR REIABLE SECURE HOUSING. I REALIZE THAT ON THE AGENDA YOU ARE ALSO CONSIDERING THE PROPOSAL TO PUT A COUNCILOR MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT TO THE VOTERS. WITHOUT DRAWING CONCLUSIONS ON THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THIS IT SEEMS IT'S MORE AGGRESSION THAN RESPONSE FOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT. THE PRESENTATION WE HEARD EARLIER IN THE SESSION BY THE REPRESENTATIVE WAS AT THE LEAST MISLEADING. IT IGNORED THE PROBLEMS THAT A DIVERSE CITY WITH REGIONAL DIFFERENCES AND ECONOMIC SUFRBGS CIRCUMSTANCES WITH CAN FACE. IT SKIPPED OVER THE WHOLE ISSUE OF BRANCHS OF GOVERNMENT. IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR THE COUNCIL TO SPEND THE NEXT WHILE BUILDING THE LEGISLATIVE RECORD THAN WORKING TO REDUCE THE POWERS OF THE MAYOR. THIS IS PARTICULARLY SO BECAUSE THE FORM OF GOVERNMENT TO THE VOTERS SEEMS HASTILY CONSTRUCTED. IF YOU WANT THE VOTERS TO EXPLORE THIS ACTION TAKE TIME TO GIVE US A WELL-DESIGNED ALTERNATIVE. THANK YOU. >> LACY FOLLOWED BY SARAH. >> I'M HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT THE PENDING CHANGES TO THE RENTAL ORDINANCE. I COME TO YOU PREVIOUSLY BUT WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE MYSELF AGAIN. I HAVE POSTED MORE SHORT-TERM RENTAL SPACE THAN ANYONE IN THE STATE. TO SAY I'M EXPERIENCED IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT. I ALSO PARTICIPATED AS A MEMBER OF THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL TASK FORCE WHEN THE CURRENT ORDINANCE WAS CREATED. THERE SEEMS TO BE SO MANY MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT SHORT-TERM RENTALES, AND INVESTORS. PARTICULARLY HERE IN ALBUQUERQUE. THIS IS A NEW INDUSTRY THAT HAS GROWN IN SUCH A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME AND I UNDERSTAND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ARE PLAYING CATCH UP AND TRYING TO CATCH ISSUES THAT MAY ARISE. I PERSONALLY KNOW AND NETWORK WITH MANY HOSTS IN THE AREA. WHAT WE HAVE IS A GREAT GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT WANT NOTHING MORE THAN TO SEE THE CITY THRIVE. BUT IT'S MORE THAN THAT. THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL HOSTS IN ALBUQUERQUE HAVE DEEP ROOTS HERE. WE LIVE HERE, RAISE YOUR FAMILIES HERE AND INVEST OUR DOLLARS HERE AND CREATE JOBS HERE. WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE STRUGGLES OUR CITY FACE. MOST OF US SUPPORT THOUGHT OUT REGULATIONS BECAUSE THE CITY'S BEST INTEREST IS ALSO OUR BEST INTEREST. THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE CURRENT ORDINANCE ARE NOT THAT. THEY'LL HAVE A DETRIMENTAL IMPACT NOT ONLY TO THE INDUSTRY, COMMUNITY, AND LOCAL ECONOMY AND CITY AS A WHOLE. I HEAR THE SPONSORS THAT THE BILL KEEP SAYING WE'RE NOT PUTTING ANYONE OUT OF BUSINESS. AND THOSE OF YOU IN COMPLIANCE WON'T BE IMPACTED IN ANY WAY. BUT THERE ARE SO MANY ISSUES THAT ARE BEING OVERLOOKEDED. AS HOSTS WE'RE SCREAMING OUT THE PIT FALLS WE SEE BUT THERE'S NOT ANYONE TO RECEIVE OUR VOICE, THOUGHTS OR IDEAS. IT SEEMS WE'RE LOOKED AT AS BEING SELF-SERVING, AND DPREEDY WITH OUR ONLY OUR POCKETBOOKS IN MIND. THAT COULDN'T BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH. I'M GOING TO SAY IT AGAIN. WE WANT ALBUQUERQUE TO THRIVE. THE CURRENT ORDINANCE PUT INTO PLACE, THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL TASK FORCE SPENT SO MUCH TIME DISCUSSING ALL OF THE FACTORS OF THE ORDINANCE. THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED HERE. THE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE UNFOUNDED AND OVERLOOKED. THERE'S BEEN NO DATA TO SHOW HOW THIS CHALLENGES -- >> THANK YOU YOUR TIME IS UP. >> WITH SUCH A GREATLY POTENTIAL IMPACT. IF YOU SEE THE NEED FOR STRICTER REGULATIONS I SUPPORT THAT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, MA'AM. YOUR TIME IS UP. >> MARY FOLLOWED BY LAURIE. >> HELLO, THIS IS SARAH. CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> WE CAN HEAR YOU. >> GOOD. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY, MR. PRESIDENT, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, HONORABLE COUNCILORS. I AM HERE TO SHARE A STATEMENT FROM OUR SMALL DOWNTOWN CHURCH. WE HAVE ABOUT 9 -- 90 MEMBERS AND WHO LIVE AND OWN PROPERTY THROUGHOUT THE CITY. WE HAVE A SMALL MAINISTRY WITH OVER THREE YEARS WITH WORKING WITH THEM AND MEETING OVER 100 UNHOUSED PEOPLE, I'VE ENCOUNTERED ONE WHO I PERCEIVED TO BE AN UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANT. I WANT TO READ A STATEMENT THAT OUR CHURCH AGREED TO ALL OUR MEMBERS. THE ALBUQUERQUE MONTHLY MEETING OF THE RELIGIOUS SOCIETY OF FRIENDS, QUAKERS, LOCATED AT 1600 FIFTH STREET, EXPRESSES OUR CONTINUED SUPPORT FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE'S HOUSING FORWARD INITIATIVE. THE CHANGES TO THE INTEGRATED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE THAT WILL PERMIT MORE DUPLEX AND ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS ARE IMPORTANT TOOLS THAT HELP MEET THE HUMAN RIGHT TO HOUSING IN ALBUQUERQUE. WE OPPOSE AMENDMENTS THAT WILL PREVENT THE DEVELOPMENT OF DUPLEXES OR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS OR MAKE THAT DEVELOPMENT MORE DIFFICULT FOR ANY INTERESTED PROPERTY OWNER IN ANY PART OF ALBUQUERQUE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> LAURIE. >> HI, GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. I AM TALKING TO YOU ABOUT HOUSING FORWARD. I AM CONCERNED BECAUSE I BELIEVE OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE ALREADY VERY DENSE. IF WE INCREASE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE, I BELIEVE WE WILL INCREASE AGGRESSION AND INCREASE DISPUTES AGAINST NEIGHBORS. WE ALREADY HAVE CARS EVERYWHERE ON THE LAWN, IN THE STREETS, TOO MANY CAS ARE DANGEROUS FOR CHILDREN, ADULTS AND ANIMALS. THERE'S GOING TO BE INCREASED NOISE, DECREASED PRIVACY, INCREASED TRASH, IF CREASED PARTIES. INCREASED SLEEP DISRUPTION. CARS AND INCREASING BUILDING HEIGHTS DECREASE THE BEAUTY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. AND IT WILL LEAD TO DROPS IN HOME VALUE. I HAVE TO AGREE WITH JANICE AND MARSY IN WHAT THEY PRESENTED. I BELIEVE THIS WILL ATTRACT CORPORATIONS TO BUY HOMES IN OUR AREAS. PLEASE DO NOT VOTE ON THIS YET. AND RECONSIDER SOME OF THE CHOICES. AND I ALSO AGREE WITH COUNCILOR SANCHEZ ABOUT THE CITY MANAGER SYSTEM. THANK YOU. >> MR. PRESIDENT, THAT CONCLUDES GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY THAT PARTICIPATED. WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO KNOCK OUT A COUPLE EASIER THING BEFORE WE TAKE OUT A DINNER BREAK. THE COUNCIL HAS PERSONNEL MATTERS TO DEAL WITH. AND WE'LL TAKE OUR BIGGER ITEMS AFTER THE BREAK. COUNCILORS, FIRST WE'RE GOING TO TAKE -- COUNCILOR PEÑA, IF YOU'RE READY. WE'LL TAKE ITEM E. AMENDING THE CIP ORDINANCE. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'RE TAKING CARE OF -- WHEN YOU'RE READY, COUNCILOR PEÑA. WE'RE TANG THINGS O OF ORDER. WE'LL GO WITH E FLOW. >>CO. PEÑA: I MOVE A DO PASS OF O-81 AMENDING THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ORDINANCE T INCREASE THE DISTRICT ST ASIDE BY $18 MILLN BY 2029. >>COUN. GROUT: SECO. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. AS U WELL KNOW, JUST TO BE BRF AND COUNCILOR BSAN MIGHT NT TO ADD HERS, DURING THE CIP BUDGET SHE WAS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THI IT'SOMETHING WE WER'T ABLE TO DO BECAUSE WE HAD SO MANY PROJECTS THAT REALLY NEED SUPPORT. SO, W'RE INCRENTALLY, A I THINK IT'S IN THE WTE UP I N'T HAVE IT IN FRONT O ME BECAUSE I DON'T HAVELL MY STUFF OPENED YET. I THK ITOES UPY 1.5 OR -- YOU KNOW THE ANERO THIS? 1.7. UP L EACH CIP CYCLEVERY O YEARS UNTIL 20. THAT WOULD HAVE EVERYTHIN -- EVY CITY COUNCILR AT A TOT OF - >>COUN. DAVIS: UP T MILLN. >>COUN. PE: OKAY. I WAS READING SOING ELSE. >>COUN. DAVIS:COUNCILOR, I BELIEVE IT ULD BE$18 LLION. $2ILLION PER DISTRICT Y 20. >>COUN. PEÑA: TT'S CORREC >>UNBASSAN: THANK U, MR. PRESID COCILOR PEÑA, THANKS INFLATION PPENS. WE ALL KEEP HRING THAT. SOMEHOW, WE HAVE T REALLY FLED ANY OF OUR COUNCIL SET ASIDE YET W HAVE TO PAY MEO PROJECTS IN OUR DISTRICT. I THINK THIS IA GREAT IDE T FIND A WAYO GET A PCENTAGE THAT CAN GW CERTAIN AMOT ANMAKE IT REASONAEATHER THAIFOR USO HAVE T MUCH OR TOO LITTLE IN BEEE AND AO GIVESS TIME TO SPEND ALL OF THE SET ASIDEROUG TO OU ATTENTION THATIG B R MAIN I'VE NEVEEN TOLD TO TALK LOUD. >>COUN. DAS:'M TAKG A CUE OM THE REPORTE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AR WE'RE LEARNG REW MI. THANK OU. AN ME SCUSON? ANYTHING FM ADMINIRATION? I BELIEVE WEAVE A SPEAKER. IS THARRT? >> NO. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. EING NOTHER DISSSION AN THINFROM THE ADMINISTON ALALL OSE IN FORF THE MOTION T AROVE O-81AY Y AND RAISE YO HAND. LET THE CLE COU US. AT MATRS UNAMOUSLY. ONE OTHER SMAL ITEM, THINK. IT H. WHICILL BE T HAVTO GET TO THE ENOF M AGENDA QUEST, R-140 AHORIZES THE ANT APPLICATI AEPTANCE OF GRANTAWARDS FROMULTIPLE DEPARTNTANDSSOCIATED ENCI AND PROING T APRIATIONS TO E CITY. I MOVE DOPASS. SECO FROMOUNCIL FIEBELKORN. I'LL ASK TMINISTRATION. I KNOW TS IS AN GRA BI. IT'S SOM TIMES AAR TO CATCH ON FEDEL ANDTATE GRANTS. ISHERE ANYTHING OM THE ADMINISTRATIONR QUEIONS FROM RTICULAROUNCILOR COUNCIR GROUT COUN. GROUT: TH. . PRESIDENT,HA YOU. THESEUESTIONS ARE FOR AEY YLES. AT'S GO. THK U. THANK U. HOW MANY SAT GRANT AREN IS BILL? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCOR GRT, GIVE M JUST ONE SECOND AND AN TL Y THAT. >>CO. GROUT: OY. HAVE YOU -- HAS CNCILTAFF ABLE TO RIEW ALL O THE >> WEAVE NOT HADI TO VIEW ALL OF THEM THIS CAMEOW RATHER TE. AND THE'S -- TRYING TCOUN THER ARE PAGES OF GRANTS. SO TS ISOT SOMETNG WE'VE HAD TIMEO REVI. >> MR PRESIDENT, IF I MHT INTERRUPT. COUNCIR GROUT, MS.YAA ISN THEAUDIENCE. HER SFF DRAFTED THE LEGISLION. I THINK SHHAS THE INFMAON ANMIGHT BE ALE EXAIN. >>COUN. GROU OKAY. THAT WOULD BE GREAT COUN. DAVIS: PASEOIN . I KNOW COUNC GUT HAS QUESTIONS. COME ON D >> MR.PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, I'M SORRY ION'T HAVE TH EXACTOUNT OF THE NBER O I JUST WANT TOAY THIIS RM ANNUAL OMBUS BIL WE G TO COUNC. ST OF I IS COMPROMED OTHE RMAL GNT THAT APD, FAMILY AND PA GET ON A NORMAL BASIS. WE HAVE A FEW NON-USUAL GNT IN THILL. BU I THINK THEY'RE ALL PROGRAMS THAT THE COUNCIL I FAMILIAR WITH. WE'RE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUTNY OF THEM. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY, THANK YOU ANYOU. ARE THEY USUALLY I ONEBILL? >> M. PRESIDT, COUNCILOR GROUT,YES. SO, THE HISTORY OF THE GRANT OMNIBUS LL IS SUCH THA THE COUNCIL DIDED AND THE ADMINIRATION AT THE TIM I THINK TH IS THE PVIOUS ADMINISTRATION, THE COUNCILET ONE BL THAT AS MUCH AS W CAN PUT GRAS IN, THE RSON BEING IS YOUR BUDT ORDANCE REQUIRES T THE ADMINISTRATIO APPLIES FOR MUST BE APPROVED BY THE UNCIL. AND THAT ENTAILS SENDINGWN AN EXECUTIVE RESOLUTIONVERY TIME WANT TO APP FOR A GRANT. THIS W JUST A WAY TO GET THIS DONE QCKLY FOR THOORMULAIC GRANTS WE RECEIVED. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU FOR THE EXANATION. I'M JUST WONDERING, WHEN DID THIS GET SENT DOWN? >> YES, MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCOR OUT, WE ACTUALLY SENT THIS WN TO YOU LAST WEEK. WE HAD INTENDED TO GET IT DOWN TO YOU A COUPLE MONTHS AG. I WILL TAKE THE BLAME FOR THAT. WEE HOLDING THE GRANT OMNIBUS BILL FOR A COUPLE THINGS TRICKLING IN. THEN I LOST SIGHT OF IT ANDE DIDN'T GETT DOWN TO YOU IN TIME. I KNOW THERE'S AN IMPORTANT GRANFOR THE FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT THAT IS ACTUALLY ALREADY IN PLACE AND THEY WANT TO SPEND THAT MONEY. HENCE, WHY YOU'RE ASKING FOR IMMEDIATE ACTION TODAY. >>COUN. GROUT: I'M JUST VERY NCERNED THAT WE DIDN'T GET IT IN A TIMELY MANNER SO THAT STAFF CAN ACTUALLY GO THROUGH IT AND HAVE QUESTIONS AND I'M SURE IT PROBABLY ALL WELLND GOOD BUT WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A CHANCE TO GO THROUGH IT ALL, IN A TIMELY MANNER, IT IS QUESTIONABLE. THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING IT UP. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, VERY UNDERSTANDABLE. LIKE I SAID, I TAKE THE BLAME FOR IT BEING LATE. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY, THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? SEEING NO OTHER QUESTIONS, ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE ADMINISTRATION? SEEING NONE. THE MOTION SON THE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT MATTER CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE TO SAY THE MAGIC WORDS. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE OUR NORMAL DINNER BREAK. WE'RE GOING TO DO SPECIAL BUSINESS. WE HAVE AN EXECUTIVE DECISION TO DISCUSS LIMITED PERSONNEL MATTER PURSUANT LAW 1978 -- FOR THOSE OF YOU WITH YOUR LEGAL BOOKS. CANDIDATE FOR DIRECTOR OF THE COUNCIL SERVICES. THE COUNCIL WAIL TAKE THAT EXECUTIVE SESSION DURING NORMAL DINNER BREAK AND WE'LL ROURN AND REPORT. WE'LL TRY SEE YOU IN 30 MINUTES AND TAKE UP THE LAST FEW ITEMS THAT YOU'RE ALL HERE FOR. WE'LL SEE YOU AFTER OUR BREAK. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. YOU WANT A ROLL CALL. COUNCILORS, BEFORE WE GO WE NEED A ROLL CALL VOTE TO APPROVE THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. MOTION AND SECOND, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THANK YOU. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: NOW WE'RE ON BREAK. >>COUN. DAVIS: LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WELCOME BACK. RELATED TO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION I AFARM THE MATTERS WERE THOSE SPECIFIED BEFORE THE CLOSE. WE'RE BACK ON THE REGULAR AGENDA FOR THE EVENING. WE'RE BACK ON FINAL ACTIONS. I THINK WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IF COUNCILOR BASSAN AND READY -- WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THINGS FROM THE HARDEST -- EASIEST TO HARDEST AND LONGEST. COUNCILOR BASSAN, ITEM C AND D RELATE TO INSPECTOR GENERAL AND INTERNAL AUDITOR. IF YOU'RE READY, I THINK WE CAN DO THOSE FIRST. BECAUSE WE HAVE GUESTS WITH US INTERESTED IN THAT. I THINK WE'LL MOVE TO OUR PROPOSAL FOR STRONGER OR WEAK MAYOR THEN GET TO THE IDO. UNLESS ANYONE HAS OBJECTION. COUNCILOR BASSAN, THAT GOES TO YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: I'M READY, MR. PRESIDENT. O-55, AMENDING THE CITY INSPECTOR ORDINANCE OF THE REVISED ORDINANCES OF ALBUQUERQUE, I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK. YOU ALL KNOW. THERE'S LOT OF WORK ON THESE BILLS. THERE ARE SOME PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TONIGHT THAT I'VE SEEN. THE IG SHOULD BE HERE. THERE SHE IS. THE IG IS HERE, THE IA IS HERE FOR OUR NEXT BILL. I KNOW THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE OR IS SOMEBODY HERE WITH THE AIG'S OFFICE. SO IF THERE'S QUESTIONS THAT ANY OF YOU COUNCILORS HAVE REGARDING THE LEVEL HIGHER FOR SOME OF THE AMENDMENTS AND/OR THE PROCESSES THAT GOT US TO WHERE WE'RE AT WHERE WITH THESE BILLS PLEASE KNOW YOU CAN USE THEM AS RESOURCES TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE US PASS THIS FLOOR SUBSTITUTE. I FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT. WITH THAT, MR. PRESIDENT, I LET YOU LEAD THE WAY ON AMENDMENTS. >>COUN. DAVIS: ALL RIGHT. COUNCILORS, I THINK COUNCILOR BENTON BY REQUEST. WE'RE GOING TO CALL YOURS FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. IF GARRET CAN SHARE IT AND WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE. THIS BEGINS ON PAGE 7. THERE WE GO. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. YES, THESE ARE SPONSORED BY THE REQUEST OF THE ADMINISTRATION. I'LL LET THEM PROCLAIM THEM. DELETE LINES 12-19 AND REPLACE THE FOLLOWING, INSPECTOR GENERAL MAY BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE FROM THE TWO-THIRDS OF THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE WHEREUPON NOT TO REFIRM PURSUANT TO SUBSECTION E WITHIN FIVE DAYS OF REMOVAL OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL THEY SHALL REPORT THE REMOVAL TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL AND THIS AMENDMENT HAS TO DO WITH MAINTAINING THE CURRENT PROCESS FOR REMOVAL. I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO THE ADMINISTRATION TO TAKE IT FROM THERE. >>COUN. DAVIS: I'LL SECOND THE AMENDMENT. MR. RAEL OR ANYBODY FROM THE ADMINISTRATION? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THANK YOU, COUNCILOR BASSAN FOR BRINGING THESE AMENDMENTS TO COUNCIL. THIS FIRST AMENDMENT, WE REALLY ARE STRIVING FOR INDEPENDENCE AS A FORMER OF DIRECTOR OF INVESTIGATIONS AT THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE MYSELF, NMS -- INDEPENDENCE IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US. I THINK THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT INDEPENDENCE AND WE'RE REALLY LOOKING TO STRIKE A BANALS -- BALANCE WITH THE AMENDMENT AND GET A BILL THAT'S WORKABLE. AGAIN, STRIKE A BALANCE. -- THAT THIS POSITION NEEDS. BASICALLY, THIS AMENDMENT JUST REMOVES THE COUNCIL'S ABILITY TO REMOVE THE INSPECTOR GENERAL WITH A TWO-THIRDS VOTE. AND ALSO REMOVES WITH THE CAUSE REQUIREMENT. RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE OVERSIGHT BY THE AA.G. O. THEY HAVE OVERSIGHT THEY CAN REMOVE AUDITOR OR INSPECTOR GENERAL. I KNOW WE HAVE SIMILAR BILLS WITH SIMILAR LANGUAGE. I CAN SPEAK TO BOTH OF THEM AT THIS POINT. WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE A.G.O. TO REMOVE WITH A TWO-THIRDS VOTE THAT HAS WORKED IN THE PAST. IF THE AUDITOR OR THE AM SPECTER GENERAL IS WORRIED ABOUT INVESTIGATION OR INSPECTION THEY'RE DOING OF COUNCIL, THAT TWO-THIRDS VOTE THAT COUNCIL CAN TAKE TO REMOVE THAT PERSON IMPAIRS THAT INDEPENDENCE. THEY MAY NOT BE INDEPENDENT, THEY MAY NOT CHOOSE THAT INVESTIGATION BECAUSE THEY MAY FEAR BEING REMOVED BY COUNCIL. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO ACCOMPLISH. ALL OF THE AMENDMENTS, WE THINK, STRIKE A BALANCE. WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALL INCORPORATED. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I ASK MS. RONCILLO TO EXPLAIN WHY WE HAD THIS LISTED AND WORDED THE WAY WE DID IN ADDITION I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT MS. SANTISTEVA IS ABLE TO EXPLAIN WHY SHE'S NOT IN SUPPORT THIS. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN. THIS LANGUAGE WAS ADDED BECAUSE THE COUNCIL ALREADY APPOINTS THIS POSITION AND HAS THE ABILITY TO NOT RECONFIRM IN THE EVENT THERE'S AN ISSUE WITHIN THAT ROLE. AND THERE'S ANOTHER LAYER OF ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THIS POSITION WHERE THE COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO TAKE ACTION SHOULD THERE BE A PROBLEM IN THAT ROLE. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE DOING THIS BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO STREAMLINE IT WITH A CPOA BILL SO WE HAVE THE IA. AND I.G. AND CPOA AND CREATE A STREAMLINED LUNL THAT MR. MELENDREZ AND THROUGH OUR DISCUSSION IS NOT TAKING AWAY INDEPENDENCE. >> THANK YOU. I BELIEVE STRIKING THIS ENTIRE SECTION REMOVES THE INDEPENDENCE IN ITS ENTIRETY. IT DOES NOT ALLOW FOR CAUSE. IF SOMEONE, EITHER SIDE, COUNCIL OR ADMINISTRATION, DOES NOT LIKE A REPORT THAT WE PUT OUT, THEY CAN PUT PRESSURE ON US OR ON OUR COMMITTEE OR RETALIATE OR HAVE SOME SORT OF RETRIBUTION. IN THIS LEVEL OF INDEPENDENCE NECESSARY TO ENSURE WE'RE ABLE TO CARRY OUT THE DUTIES OF FULL TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY. >>COUN. DAVIS: CAN I ASK ANOTHER QUESTION? I UNDERSTAND THAT. I APPRECIATE IT AND WANT TO SEE ALIGNMENT IN OUR PROCESSES FOR CPOA. WHEN I SEE INSPECTOR AND INTERNAL AUDIT, THEY HAVEUBLE DAGS ABILITY TO SO, I SEE AN ARGUMENT THAT SAYS THAT IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. A.G.O. IS QUASI-INDEPENDENT ON THEIR OWN. IT INCLUDES MEMBERS OF THE ADMINISTRATION AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. I CAN ALSO SEE AN ARGUMENT THAT SAYS A.G.O. DOESN'T LIKE YOU. YOU'RE A WONDERFUL PERSON, I THINK YOU'RE GREAT, THEY THINK YOU WEAR THE WRONG COLOR SHOES. CAN'T THE COUNCIL REAPPOINT YOU AFTER THAT THROUGH THE NORMAL PROCESS. THERE'S NO PROHIBITION OF SERVING AGAIN. CAN'T WE PUT YOU BACK IF WE REALLY LIKE YOU? >> NOT THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN. IT'S WRITTEN SO THAT THE A.G.O. PUTS THEIR CANDIDATES UP FOR CONFIRMATION. >>COUN. DAVIS: I FEEL LIKE I LIKE THIS AS WRITTEN. I THINK THIS IS A SPECIAL POSITION THAT IS THE LAST -- THE MAYOR'S OFFICE DOES A GOOD JOB POINTING FINGERS AT US. I WONDER ABOUT THE CITY COUNCIL HAVING THE ABILITY TO REMOVE THEIR OWN WATCHDOG. NOT THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD EVER AGREE WELL ENOUGH TO DO THAT. I'M CONSIDERING IT. OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT CPOA IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN INSPECTOR GENERAL IN THAT INSPECTOR GENERAL CAN LOOK AT AND INVESTIGATE ALL OF THE ELECTED OFFICIALS. ALL TEN, MAYOR, COUNCIL, AND EMPLOYEES CITY WIDE. CPOA IS JUST LOOKING AT POLICE OFFICERS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE UNDERSTANDING THE INDEPENDENCE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYTHING ELSE FROM COUNCILOR BENTON AS THE SPONSOR? SEEING NONE. I'M SORRY, LAST COMMENT. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT. IT'S THE ARGUMENT FOR PASSING THIS AMENDMENT IS PORTION OF THE AMENDMENT THAT STATES THAT CITY COUNCIL CAN REMOVE, IS THERE ANY OPPOSITION TO KEEPING IN WITH CAUSE OR FOR CAUSE? >>COUN. DAVIS: I'LL THROW THAT BACK TO THE DRAEGZ. >> WE WANT THE AMENDMENT IN ITS ENTIRETY. REMOVE WITH CAUSE. AND FOR CAUSE. >>COUN. DAVIS: SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND FOR THE CLERK TO COUNT. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NO AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT MATTER FAILS ON A 2-7. THAT MAKES ME -- FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. [ INAUDIBLE ]. >>COUN. DAVIS: WOULD YOU TURN YOUR MIC ON? >>COUN. BENTON: THIS IS FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO ON, ON PAGE SEVEN DELETE LINES SEVEN THROUGH ELEVEN AND REPLACE WITH THE FOLLOWING. THE COMMITTEE SHALL REQUEST SALARY OF INSPECTOR GENERAL FROM THE HR DEPARTMENT AT THE END OF EACH FOUR-YEAR TIRM UPON TERMINATION OF THE INCUMBENT AND SHALL RECOMMEND SALARY ADJUSTMENTS TO THE ANNUAL OPERATING BUDGET PROCESS SALARY ADJUSTMENTS ARE SUBJECT TO BUDGET SFINS SUFFICIENCY. AND SUBJECT TO COST OF INCREASE THAT IS GRANTED ALL CITY EMPLOYEES. I'LL MOVE THAT. >>COUN. DAVIS: FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. THIS IS YOURS AGAIN. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, THANK YOU, COUNCILOR BENTON FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. WE URGE SUPPORT FOR THIS. THIS AMENDMENT BASICALLY ALIGNS THE SALARY INCREASE PROCESS WITH OTHER SALARY INCREASES ACROSS THE CITY. AG.O. CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATION AND LOOK FOR THE BUDGET ET CETERA. IT ALSO HAS HR LOOKING AT THE COMP SO IT IS INDEPENDENT. IT'S NOT THE COMMITTEE OR THE I.G. OR ANYONE THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THAT POSITION ACTUALLY LOOKING AT SALARIES. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: GOING TO COUNCILOR BASSAN AND BACK TO INSPECTOR GENERAL. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, ONE OF THE REQUESTS I WAS GOING TO ASK IS TO ASK -- I WILLS AUNT TO SAY ANOTHER QUESTION WAS JUST TO CONFIRM BECAUSE MY ANSWER WAS NO THIS WILL NOT BE IN LIEU OF THE CLASS AND COMP STUDY, THIS IS IN ADDITION TO THE STUDY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M CORRECT IN MAKING THAT STATEMENT EARIER TODAY. >>COUN. DAVIS: MR. -- >> YES, YOU'RE CORRECT. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, BEING THAT I'M SPONSORING BY REQUEST, I'VE MADE IT VERY CLEAR TO THEM THAT I WILL DO WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN REGARD TO THE BILLS, BUT I ALSO DO STAND BY EVERYTHING THAT I'M STANDING BY. WITH THAT, I LIKE TO MAKE SURE SHE'S ABLE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF HER BILL. >> WITH HARD TO THIS -- REGARD TO THIS AMENDMENT. MY CONCERN WITH IT IS IT LACKS INDEPENDENCE. WHAT WE PUT INTO THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE UP BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS THAT ANY RECOMMENDATION FROM THE A.G.O. WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE HR PERSONAL POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AND BUDGET APPROPRIATION. THERE'S NO CHANGE THERE THAT WOULD BECOME AN ISSUE. WHAT WE DO SEE IS THE FACT THAT THE COMMITTEE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR OVERSEEING OUR POSITIONS AS CITY AUDITOR AND INSPECTOR GENERAL AND ANY PROPOSALS REGARDING THOSE POSITIONS SHOULD BE CONSISTENT OR SHOULD HAVE A CONSISTENT VALID MECHANISM FOR ENSUING THE COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION CAN BE PROPERLY EVALUATED AND BE FREE FROM BIAS. WHAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN IN THE PAST IS WHEN YOUR A.G.O. COMMITTEE PUTS UP A PROPOSAL FOR A SALARY ADJUSTMENT, IT'S SHUT DOWN. IT'S SHUT DOWN AT A BUDGET PROCESS OR BEFORE IT EVEN GETS TO A LEVEL OF HAVING A DISCUSSION OR DEBATE ABOUT IT. THAT'S MY CONCERN WITH THIS. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT BEING LOOKED AT EVERY FOUR YEARS. BUT I DO THINK IT TAKES AWAY FROM THE INDEPENDENCE. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? >> >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, MS. RONCILLO, THIS IS SOMETHING I REMEMBER US HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IN THAT THIS IS ALSO NOT TAKING AWAY FROM THE INDEPENDENCE THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN. NOT NECESSARILY WITH THIS AMENDMENT. BUT THAT THE SALARY, WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT AND WE DID AMEND IT QUITE A BIT TO MAKE SURE IT WASN'T ANNUALLY -- WE DID MAKE SURE IT WASN'T GOING TO BE THAT WE HAVE TO LISTEN -- THE A.G.O. COMMITTEE, BUT IT CAN BE A RECOMMENDATION. MOST IMPORTANTLY, THAT THE A.G.O. COMMITTEE CAN GO AHEAD AND DO THE RECOMMENDATION FOR A SALARY INCREASE AND IT CAN BE ANNUALLY OR WHENEVER. IT WILL BE APPLICABLE TO THE HR RULES AND PROCEDURES AND STANDARDS AND POLICIES. IS THAT CORRECT? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN. THAT'S CORRECT. THE WAY THE SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN IN THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE THE COMMITTEE REVIEW SALARY MAKE RECOMMENDATION AND THAT RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE SUBJECT TO APPLICABLE RULES AND REGULATIONS. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT MATTER? ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE ADMINISTRATION? MR. RAEL, IS THAT YOU? >> MR. PRESIDENT, I'M GOING TO WEIGH IN ON THIS PARTICULAR MATTER. I HAVE A CONCERN THAT WE'RE CREAING BASICALLY A TWO-TIERED SYSTEM AS IT RELATES TO IT THE ROLES OF DEPARTMENT HEADS COMING ALL THE TIME ASKING FOR ADJUSTMENTS DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS. IT'S ALWAYS SUBJECT TO THE RULES AND REGS AND PG BUDGETARY PROCESS YOU GO THROUGH. IT FEELS LIKE THIS IS A DIFFERENT SET OF STANDARDS FOR THIS PARTICULAR POSITION. ALL BE IT, THEY'RE INDEPENDENT, HOWEVER THEY SHOULD BE TREATED AS OTHER DEPARTMENT POSITIONS ARE WITH THE VAST AREAS OF RESPONSIBILITY. I THINK THIS PARTICULAR ONE CREAING IS STRUCTURE SIMILAR TO WHAT OTHER DEPARTMENTS GO THROUGH IS FAIR. I DON'T THINK IT DEALS WITH INDEPENDENCE AS MUCH AS IT DEALS WITH ENSUING COMPENSATION FOR THESE POSITIONS IS EQUAL TO THE SAME STRUCTURE AND SCRUTINY FOR COMPENSATION FOR DEPARTMENT HEADS FOR REVIEW DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS. I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT INFORMATION. >>COUN. DAVIS: SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION -- COUNCILOR BASSAN THEN COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, WE EDITED THAT PART OUT IN THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE, MR. RAEL, WE EDITED OUT THAT COMPENSATION WOULD BE EQUAL OR SIGNIFICANT OR IN SOME RATIO TO DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS BECAUSE IT WAS AGREED UPON THAT THE I.G. AND I.A. ARE NOT DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS. THEREFORE DEPARTMENT ISN'T 300 PEOPLE. THAT WAS CHANGED AND REMOVED FROM THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE. REALLY, YOU KNOW, TO ME THIS IS WHERE THE REVIEW IS THERE. THIS IS NOT EARTH-SHATTERING TO ME IT NEEDS TO PASS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME IN THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE INDKDING THAT THE I.G. AND I.A. SHOULD BE PAID COMPARABLY TO THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS DIRECTORS IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. PRESIDENT, THIS LANGUAGE WOULD BE DUPLICATEATIVE AND WHEN YOU HAVE -- EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE SIMULTANEOUS THEY DON'T CANCEL EACH OTHER OUT. WHEN YOU HAVE LANGUAGE THAT REVIEWS EVERY FOUR YEARS THE TENDENCY IS GOING TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO REVIEW THAT IN FOUR YEARS FROM NOW. I DO THINK THAT WOULD BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE MAY AND OTHER SALARIES INCREASED FOR CHANGE AND ADJUSTED MORE OFTEN THAN THAT. >>COUN. DAVIS: SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR HAOF FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? 3-6. THAT MATTER FAILS. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE. ALSO COUNCILOR BENTON BY REQUEST. >>COUN. BENTON: NUMBER THREE READS AS FOLLOWS. PAGE EIGHT LINES SEVEN THROUGH EIGHT DELETE THE FOLLOWING LANGUAGE THE INSPECTOR GENERAL MAY INITIATE AN INVESTIGATION WHEN THERE'S PREDICATION. I'LL LEAVE THAT TO THE ADMINISTRATION. >>COUN. DAVIS: I'LL SECOND IT FOR DISCUSSION. I SEE THE LAWYERS NODDING BUT EVERYBODY ELSE LOOKS CONFUSED. >> IT MEANS THERE'S SUFFICIENT PROCESS TO START INVESTIGATION. >>COUN. DAVIS: TO THE ADMINISTRATION. THIS IS BY REQUEST. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, AGAIN, COUNCILORS, THANK YOU, AGAIN. PREDICATION, I CAN PRONOUNCE IT, I'VE BEEN PRACTIING IT ALL DAY. IN OUR VIEW IT IS SUBJECTIVE. IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE STRONGER ASK -- AND DEFINED BETTER. WOE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT REMOVED. SO THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT INVESTIGATIONS BEING CONDUCTED. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BASSAN HAS A HISTORY LESSON ON TIS. >>COUN. BASSAN: THE VERY ORIGINAL EXISTING ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE I.G. READ, INSPECTOR GENERAL MAY ALSO INITIATE AN INVESTIGATION PERIOD. THAT MEANS WITHOUT PREDICATION. THIS IS A MIDDLE GROUND TO SAY -- MS. KEEF, WHAT WAS YOUR DEFINITION OF PREDICATION? >> SUFFICIENT EVIDENTIARY BASIS TO INVESTIGATE. >>COUN. BASSAN: I DON'T HAVE MORE TO SAY. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR LEWIS THEN COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS PREDICATION MEANS IF THERE'S AN INVESTIGATION GOING ON, AND SOMETHING IS FOUND, THAT MAKES YOU THINK THERE'S A REASON FOR ADDITIONAL INVESTIGATION YOU CAN DO SO. I DON'T SEE WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR WHY WOULD WANT SOMEONE INVESTIGAING WRONG DOING TO SAY STOP THAT'S GOING BEYOND MY CURRENT INVESTIGATION SO I'M NOT GOING TO LOOK AT THAT BAD BEHAVIOR. THIS IS TRULY A QUESTION. I'M TRULY ASKING WHY WE WOULD WANT THAT TO BE STOPPED. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, I'M IN FULL AGREEMENT WITH YOUR QUESTION. BECAUSE ASKING US TO TURN A BLIND EYE WHEN WE BELIEVE THERE'S SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE TO INDICATE FRAUD, WASTE OR ABUSE DOES NOT BENEFIT THE CITY OR PUBLIC AND DOES NOT MEET THE GOALS OF OUR OFFICE WHICH IS TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS WOULD BE REMOVED. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I WONDER IF I CAN HEAR FROM THE ADMINISTRATION ON WHY WE DON'T WANT WRONG DOING TO BE LOOKED AT. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, THE ADMINISTRATION ABSOLUTELY SUPPORTS INVESTIGATIONS OF FRAUD, WASTE, AND ABUSE. HAVING INVESTIGATED FRAUD, WASTE, AND ABUSE AT THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE AND MORE YEARS AT A LARGE TAX AGENCY IN THE STATE, IT JUST -- IT NEEDS TO BE INVESTIGATED. IN THIS CASE, THE WORD PREDICATION IS SUBJECTIVE. THERE'S NOT A STRONG DEFINITION OF PREDICATION IN THERE. AND WE JUST WANT TO ENSURE IF INVESTIGATIONS ARE HAPPENING, WHETHER IT'S A CURRENT INVESTIGATION THAT HAS SOME THREADS TO PULL INTO ANOTHER INVESTIGATION, WE'RE READING IT MORE THAT SOMEBODY JUST GETS AN IDEA THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT PREDICATION BECAUSE IT'S NOT WELL-DEFINED THEY'RE JUST GOING TO GO DOWN THE PATH. OR SOMEONE DIRECTS THEM DOWN THAT PATH POLITICALLY. THAT PATH CAN BE TAKEN FOR POLITICAL REASONS WITHOUT A LOT OF STRONG SUPPORT. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THIS IS NOT A QUESTION. I'M GOING TO END WITH A STATEMENT. WHEN COUNCILOR BENTON READ THIS OUT AND I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO ANNOUNCE PREDICATION EITHER, EVERY ATTORNEY SHOOK THEIR HEAD YES AND WOE HAD AN ANSWER LIKE THAT. I FEEL LIKE IT IS A TERM THAT IS UNDERSTOOD. I'M STILL NOT UNDERSTANDING WHY WE WOULDN'T WANT TO MOVE THIS. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS FLOOR AMENDMENT? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE. ALL THOSE IN FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE, SAY YES. ALL THOSE SAY NO. THAT IS UNANIMOUS. NUMBER FOUR, ALSO COUNCILOR BENTON BY REQUEST. >>COUN. BENTON: FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR. PAGE 11 AFTER LINE 9 INSERT THE FOLLOWING. INSPECTOR GENERAL SHALL ALSO SUBMIT A COPY OF EACH REPORT TO THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVER OFFICER REPORTS MAY BE SHARD WITH CITY DEPARTMENTS TO ENSURE THE DEVELOPMENT OF MEANINGFUL RESPONSES TO INVESTIGATIVE FINDINGS. >>COUN. DAVIS: I'LL SECOND THAT ONE AGAIN. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, THIS ONE WE'VE HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS OVER THE LAST YEAR OR SO REGARDING THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR'S KNOWLEDGE AND ABILITY TO RESPOND TO INVESTIGATIONS. AND WE'VE BEEN VERY VOCAL, VERY STRONG IN OUR OPINION WE THINK DIRECTORS OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND WHEN THE REPORTS ARE PRESENTED TO THE A.G.O. BEFORE THEY'RE MADE PUBLIC SO WE CAN ENSURE WE GET GOOD RESPONSES AND THAT THE DIRECTORS ARE THE ONES ABLE TO GIVE THOSE RESPONSES IN A SETTING TO THE A.G. O. ATES IT'S NOT A RESPONSE COMING THROUGH THE INVESTIGATOR TO THE A.G. O. WE WANT THE DIRECTORS TO HAVE A CHANCE TO RESPOND. WE WANT THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER TO KNOW THE DIRECTORS ARE ENGAGED AND INVOLVED AND RESPONDING APPROPRIATELY. THIS IS OUR WISH FOR THIS AMENDMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BASSAN, CAN I ASK YOU A FOLLOW UP? THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION BACK AND FORTH ABOUT WHETHER DIRECTORS WOULD BE ALLOWED INTO THE A.G.O. CONVERSATION AND I FEEL THIS IS GETTING AT THAT AS A WAY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE RESPONSE. DO YOU KNOW? >>COUN. BASSAN: SO, MR. PRESIDENT, IF I MAY, ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WAS TO MS. RONCILLO TO CLARIFY SOME OF THAT. THE WAY THIS READS THAT INSPECTOR GENERAL SHALL REPORT TO THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER, YAL -- AT THE -- AT WHAT POINT IS THAT REPORT ALLOWED TO BE SHARED? IN THE EXPLANATION IT SAYS A CERTAIN POINT. IT'S NOT LISTED IN THE ACTUAL AMENDMENT. I THINK IT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE. >> THANK YOU. MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, I APOLOGIZE. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION OFF HAND. >>COUN. BASSAN: THAT'S OKAY. I REALIZE THIS IS THE ADMINISTRATION'S AMENDMENT. THE EXPLANATION SAYS IT'S FOR THE FINAL INVESTIGATIVE REPORT. I THINK THAT COULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE. I ALSO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT REGARDLESS THAT IF THIS WERE TO PASS, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT IT READ THE FINAL INVESTIGATIVE REPORT. A COPY CAN BE SUBMITTED. HOWEVER, THAT DOESN'T MEAN I SUPPORT IT. I WOULD LIKE MS. SANTISTEVAN TO CONFIRM WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS IMPORTANT. TO ME, THIS AMENDMENT IS NOT ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT SOMEBODY SITS IN AN A.G.O. MEETING. THIS IS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE I.G. AND C.A.O. CAN GIVE THE REPORT TO A DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR PRIOR TO THE A.G.O. MEETING. >>COUN. DAVIS: OKAY. MS. SANTISTEVAN, YOU HAVE BEEN INCLUDED. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR. THE FIRST THING I WANT TO SAY IS I AGREE THIS IS NOT ABOUT HAVING BEEN IN THE MEETING. WE'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED THAT IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE WHERE THAT WILL BE AT THE DISCRETION OF THE A.G.O. COMMITTEE. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. SECONDLY, EACH REPORT THAT WE WRITE IS HELD CONFIDENTAL UNTIL IT'S APPROVED AND PUBLISHED. TO FOLLOW THAT UP, EACH REPORT WE WRITE THAT HAS A FINDING OR OBSERVATION, THOSE ARE WRITTEN TO BE A STAND-ALONE. I'M GOING TO TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT THE PROBLEM IS. I'M GOING TO GIVE OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR FIXING THE PROBLEM AND GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND. THOSE DO OUT TO THE DIRECTORS SO THEY CAN ANSWER IT. WHAT THEY'RE NOT GETTING IS THE DETAIL OF THE FULL REPORT THAT WOULD ALLOW SOMEONE, IF GIVEN ENOUGH TIME, TO TRY TO DECIPHER WHO IS WHO IN OUR CODING AND WHAT WE HAVE SEEN BECAUSE OF THIS OVER THE LAST YEAR IS WE'VE SEEN AN INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF HARASSMENT AND RETALIATION COMPLAINTS BASED ON REPORTS WRITTEN AND SPECIFICALLY THAT WAS RELEASED PRIOR. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: THE WAY I READ THIS AMENDMENT IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING. UNLESS IT WERE TO SAY THAT -- UNLESS IT GAVE THE PARAMETERS THAT BEFORE THE REPORT IS PUBLISHED THEN THIS WOULD BE THE CASE. IF THAT'S THE INTENTION OF THIS AMENDMENT IT SHOULD SAY THAT. WHICH I WOULD ABSOLUTELY DISGREE WITH. IF IT DID, I THINK IT'S POORLY WRITTEN. IF THAT'S THE INTENTION OF IT. BECAUSE IT CAN SIMPLY BE THE FACT THIS WOULD BE THE CASE AFTER THE PUBLISH AND THAT'S TRUE RIGHT NOW. THE DIRECTORS CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT AND GIVE WHATEVER OPINION. IT DOESN'T SAY AT ALL A TIME PERIOD WHETHER IT'S BEFORE IT'S PUBLISHED OR BEFORE SUBMITTED. THERE'S CONCLUSIONS MADE AND THEN THE DIRECTORS GET OPPORTUNITIES TO TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND BEFORE THE REPORT IS PUBLISHED THEN I THINK THAT'S THE INTENTION OF THIS BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT IT SAYS. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, THE REPORT IS NOT PUBLISHED AND MADE FINAL UNTIL THE DIRECTORS OR FOBBINGS RESPONDING HAVE A CHANCE TO MAKE AN OFFICIAL RESPONSE. THOSE RESPONSES ARE IN THE REPORT. YOU CAN INFER, AND I CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, COUNCILOR LEWIS, BUT YOU CAN INTER THAT THE RESPONSES HAVE TO BE MADE BY THE DIRECTORS. WE'RE ASKING FOR A FINAL REPORT FOR OUR DIRECTORS TO READ BECAUSE THEY'RE LOTS OF DETAILS IN THERE. ARE -- I RESPECT THE I.G.'S COMMENTS ABOUT PREVENTING RETALIATION AND PREVENTING FOLKS FROM IMPACTING THE INVESTIGATION OR REPORT. I WILL SAY THAT THERE ARE DETAILS IN THOSE REPORTS THAT ARE HELPFUL TO THE DIRECTORS WHEN THEY'RE RESPONDING. WHEN THEY GET A PARAGRAPH SAYING THIS IS THE FINDING AND THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD DO, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF BACKGROUND THAT WENT INTO THIS LONG INVESTIGATION, IT MIGHT BE 40 PAGES, LOT OF BACKGROUND THAT IS HELPFUL AND THE DIRECTORS ARE TRYING TO RESPOND TO THE FINDINGS. AND AGAIN, THE REPORT CAN'T BE COMPLETED UNTIL THE DIRECTORS HAVE FORMULATED THE RESPONSE AND IT BECOMES PART OF THE REPORT. AGAIN, THAT'S INFERRED OR IMPLIED THAT THE REPORT ISN'T FINAL UNTIL THOSE -- >>COUN. LEWIS: INFERRED OR IMPLIED, IS THAT THE COMPLETE DOCUMENT IS GIVEN TO THE DIRECTORS BEFORE IT'S FINALIZED? IT'S NOT CLEAR. LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S INFERRED, I GUESS. >>COUN. DAVIS: I HAVE A QUESTION. GO AHEAD. >>COUN. BASSAN: I WAS GOING TO ASK MS. SANTITEVAN TO WEIGH IN. >> THANK YOU. I WANT TO RESPOND TO WHAT HE SAID. STATING THAT THE REPORT IS NOT FINAL UNTIL THE DIRECTORS HAVE GIVEP -- GIVEN THEIR RESPONSE. WE DO SEEK THEIR RESPONSE. WE DO GIVE THEM AMPLE TIME TO GET THAT IN. WE WILL, AS SOON AS A.G.O. HAS GOT IT, WE ALLOW THEM TO LOOK AT IT BEFORE WE PUBLISH IT. WHAT WE WILL NOT DO IS HOLD UP A REPORT IN ITS ENTIRETY BECAUSE IT'S BEING REFUSED TO BE RESPONDED TO. THOSE ARE REAL THINGS THAT HAVE OCCURRED IN OUR OFFICE OVER THE LAST YEAR. >>COUN. DAVIS: AT THE RISK OF OPENING A CAN OF WORMS, YOU MENTIONED YOUR OFFICE INVESTIGATED RETALIATED RELATED TO THE DISCLOSURE OF BACKGROUND INFORMATION IN INVESTIGATIONS. ROUGHLY, HOW MANY OF THOSE HAVE OUR OFFICE VEGSZED -- INVESTIGATED AND WHAT HAVE BEEN THE DISPOSITIONS? >> WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS SEVEN WITH FIVE IN MY OFFICE CURRENTLY THAT I CANNOT TALK ABOUT. >>COUN. DAVIS: OF THE ONES THAT HAVE GONE TO DISPOSITION, ARE YOU FINISHED, I ASSUME YOU DO INVESTIGATE THE ALLEGATION OF RETALIATION. HOW MANY HAVE BEEN FOUND SUBSTANTIATED? >> BOTH. >>COUN. DAVIS: WERE ANY OF THOSE RELATED TO THE DISCLOSURE OF THE BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION INFORMATION? WOULD THAT ALLEGATION HAVE COME ANYWAY -- TRYING TO CONNECT WHETHER IT'S IN THE AMENDMENT OR NOT. >> IN THOSE CASES, YES. IN THE TWO SUBSTANTIATED IT IS POSSIBLE THEY WOULD HAVE COME ANYWAY BECAUSE THEY WERE MADE AFTER THE REPORT WAS RELEASED. IN THE ONES WE HAVE CURRENTLY, THE ANSWER IS FOE. -- FOE. >>COUN. DAVIS: >>COUN. DAVIS: I HAVE A HARD TIME WITH THIS ONE. IF YOU'RE A DIRECTOR YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT TO DO TO FIX IT. BUT BEST PRACTICES AND WHAT YOU SHOULD DO MAY NOT GET DOWN TO FIGUING OUT HOW TO IDENTIFY THAT OR WHAT YOU CAN DO. I KNOW WE HAVE OTHER AMENDMENTS. ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR SAY YES AND RARES -- RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED SAY NO AND RAISE YOUR HAND. COUNCILOR BENTON. NUMBER FIVE. >>COUN. DAVIS: I'M SORRY. THAT'S FOR THE NEXT. COUNCILORS, WE'RE BACK ON 55 AS NOT AMENDED. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I LIKE TO JUST REITERATE A LOT OF WORK WENT INTO THIS. IT WAS NOT AN OVERNIGHT THING. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING, TALKING READING DEBRIEFING TALKING MORE. DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY REGARDING O-55 BEFORE VOTING ON IT? >> YES. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO COUNCILOR BASSAN FOR SPONSORING THIS ON OUR BAFR. I DO WANT TO STATE ALSO THAT THE OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL AND AUDIT WERE CREATED TO FACILITATE AND PROMOTE PUBLIC TRANSPARENCY AND I THINK TONIGHT IS ONE OF THOSE TIMES IS PUBLIC TRANSPARENCY BECOMES IMPERATIVE. BECAUSE THE MANNER AND METHOD FOR WHICH THESE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS WAS HANDLED ESPECIALLY IN THE LAST EIGHT HOURS IS NOT WHAT WE NOR THE PUBLIC SHOULD EXPECT. THE OIG AND OIA HAVE BEEN ENGAGED OVER THE LAST EIGHT MONTHS. WE HAD A 45-MINUTE DEBATE ON THESE ISSUES AND ONLY TODAY I FOUND OUT THESE ISSUES ARE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT ISSUES ARE BEING SUBJECTED TO REVAMPING AND BEING PULLED COMPLETELY. I URGE THAT WE PASS THE ORDINANCE AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED AND NOT WITH THE AMENDMENTS. I DO APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT COUNCILOR BASSAN AND COUNCIL SERVICES HAS DONE TO HELP THROUGH THIS PROCESS. IT'S BEEN AN EXTRAORDINARY TEDIOUS PROCESS BUT ONE THAT IS NECESSARY. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BASSAN, ANYTHING ELSE? >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT VOTE IS UNANIMOUS. GREAT. CONGRATULATIONS. LET'S DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN. O-56. >>COUN. BASSAN: I INVITE MS. VARGAS DOWN. BUT O-56 IS FLOOR SUBSTITUTE AMENDING THE GOVERNMENT ACCOUNT ACCOUNTABILITY ORDINANCE. CHAPTER TWO OF THE REVISED ORDINANCES OF ALBUQUERQUE. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. MR. PRESIDENT, WE CAN CONTINUE ON. JUST TO, I THINK, I WILL ENCOURAGE ADMINISTRATION TO CONFIRM, BUT I BELIEVE THESE THREE AMENDMENTS ARE IN ORDER TO DUPLICATE WHAT WAS IN 0-55 SO WE DID NOT HAVE A DISRUPTION BETWEEN THE TWO ORDINANCES. I WOULD IMAGINE AND URGE THAT WE HEAR THEM OUT, BUT UNDERSTAND THEY'RE THE SAME AS LAST TIME. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BENTON, YOU WERE GOING TO OFFER BY REQUEST. DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT? OR DO YOU WANT TO LEAVE IT OPEN? >>COUN. BENTON: BASED UPON THE PREVIOUS BILL, I DECLINE TO NOT MOVE THE AMENDMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANY COUNCILOR THAT WISHES TO MOVE ANY AMENDMENT IN THE PACKAGE? SEEING NO OTHER. WE'RE BACK ON THE BILL, NON-AMENDED. COUNCILOR BASSAN, THEN THE ADMINISTRATION. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE MS. VARGAS TO WEIGH IN AND GIVE HER OPINION AND COMMENTS, IF SHE LIKES. >>COUN. DAVIS: WELCOME BACK. >> I WOULD LIKE TO THANK COUNCILOR BASSAN FOR SPONSORING THIS BILL FOR US. COUNCIL SERVICES FOR WALKING US THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND ALL THE WORK THAT ADMINISTRATION AND CITY COUNCIL HAS PROVIDED AS FEEDBACK. I HAVE NOTHING ADDITIONAL TO ADD. >>COUN. DAVIS: MR. RAEL. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, I JUST WOULD LIKE -- I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T SAY I'M DISAPPOINTED WITH THE ORDER OF THIS TWO BILLS. WE HAVE HAD THE CONVERSATION AT THE COUNCIL ON A COUPLE OCCASIONS WHERE THERE'S BEEN MISCOMMUNICATION AND MISUNDERSTANDING ON THE AUDIT WHERE YOU HAVE DECISIONS THAT ARE NOT DEFENSIBLE. I THINK A COUPLE OF YOU COUNCILORS HAVE COME TO MY ATTENTION ABOUT HOPE WORKS AND WHY THE HOPE WORKS AUDIT IS A CHALLENGE OR PROBLEM FOR US. AS IT RELATES TO PROVIING FUNDING FOR HOPE WORK. IT'S BASED ON AN AUDIT THAT HAS BEEN REPUDIATED BOY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE AND WE ARE STILL IN THE SAME PREDICAMENT IN THAT WE HAVE AN AUDIT STILL OUT THERE THAT HASN'T BEEN RESOLVED. AND WE HAVE NO MEANS FOR HAVING THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE INSPECTOR GENERAL OR AUDITORS TO RESOLVE THE ISSUES. WE HAVE ISSUES WHERE WE'VE SENT THE LETTER TO THE AUDITOR WHERE SHE'S MADE DETERMINATIONS THAT ARE ABOUT MAKING LEGAL JUDGMENTS. AS IT RELATES TO ANTI- DONATION ISSUES. WE'VE GOT LETTERS FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SAYING THIS IS NOT A VIOLATION OF THOSE THINGS. IT REALLY IS BEWILDERING AS IT RELATES TODEPARTMENT HEADS THAT WE CAN'T HAVE THEM REVIEW THE REPORTS TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION AND PROVIDE THE REPORTS IN THEIR ENTIRETY WHEN ALL THE DEPARTMENTS. WHEN I GET AN INTERNAL AUDIT REPORT AT HAD 4:30 IN THE AFTERNOON SO I HAVE NO INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT TO SAY TO THE PRESS BECAUSE THE PRESS ALREADY HAS IT. THESE ARE KINDS OF ISSUES THAT REALLY CREATE THE ISSUES THAT SHE JUST DISCUSSED ABOUT HOW EMPLOYEES REACT TO THESE THINGS. YOU KNOW, PART OF THIS WHOLE PROCESS IS A GIVE-AND-TAKE AND WORK TOGETHER TO ENSURE THERE'S INDEPENDENCE AND TRANSPARENCY AND EVERYONE GETS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE AT LEAST A FAIR CONVERSATION ABOUT THE ISSUES. BUT, I NEED TO SAY THAT ON BEHALF OF THE ADMINISTRATION AND DEPARTMENTS AND THEIR STAFF. THERE'S NO QUESTION, THERE ARE MISTAKES THAT ARE MADE. AND WE CERTAINLY NEED TO STAND UP AND DEFEND OR TAKE OUR PUNISHMENT FOR WHATEVER THOSE ISSUES MIGHT BE. TO PERCEIVE THAT EVERY ONE OF THE ISSUES HAS A NEFARIOUS ISSUE OR THERE IS SOMETHING GOING ON BEYOND WHAT IS A REASONABLE MISTAKE MADE BY A DEPARTMENT OR BY STAFF, ET CETERA, THIS REALLY SETS A BAD RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THESE OFFICES. THESE OFFICES OF ADMINISTRATION, COUNCIL, AND INTURNL AUDIT AND INTURNL AFFAIRS, WE KNOW THERE'S CHECKS AND BALANCES. WE APPRECIATE THAT. WITHOUT HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THOSE AND RESPOND TO THOSE CREATES A REAL DIVIDE BETWEEN THE OFFICES. AND WE HAVE BEEN ON THIS CONVERSATION WITH THIS AND, YES, COUNCILOR BASSAN HAS COMPROMISED A LOT AND I APPRECIATE ALL THAT WORK. WE JUST, I SAID, THESE ARE ISSUES THAT ARE REALLY, REALLY CUT TO THE CHASE AS IT RELATES TO WHAT DRIVES THE DIVIDE OF THE OFFICES. I JUST GIVE THAT BASIC INFORMATION FOR YOU TO KNOW THIS IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE A REAL CHALLENGE IN TERMS OF WORKING WITH THE OFFICES WITH THAT KIND OF RESPONSE. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, MR. RAEL. COUNCILOR BASSAN FOR CLOSE. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, SO, I GUESS THE GOOD NEWS IS THE I.G. AND I.A. IN MY OPINION ARE NOT HERE TO BE OUR FRIENDS AND ARE NOT HERE TO CREATE A COHESIVE, HAPPY WORK ENVIRONMENT AMONG US AND EACH OTHER WHEN IT COMES TO WORKING WITH THEM AND THE ADMINISTRATION OR THEM AND US. THEY'RE HERE TO MAKE SURE WE DO THINGS RIGHT. AND THAT'S GOT TO BE A REALLY UGLY JOB. I THINK THAT, AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE TO ADD ON TO THAT ABOUT CREAING A DIVIDE, I'M GOING TO RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE. DIVIDE OR NO DIVIDE, THAT'S NOT THE RELATIONSHIP WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE WITH THESE TWO AGENCIES. I URGE SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION. ON THE MATTER. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT MATTER CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU, COUNCILORS. NEXT UP IS ITEM -- WE'VE DONE ITEM E. NEXT UP IS ITEM F. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ AND COUNCILOR GROUT ON P1. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. IT'S ADOPTING A PROPOSITION TO BE SENT TO THE VOTERS AT THE 2023 REGULAR ELECTION PROPOING TO AMEND THE ALBUQUERQUE CITY CHARTER TO ADOPT A COUNCIL MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. GROUT: SECOND. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: ALSO HAVE AMENDMENTS IN THE iPADS. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU WE HAVE THREE PEOPLE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. IF IT'S OKAY, LET'S TAKE THOSE AND GO TO AMENDMENTS, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH SPONSORS. >>COUN. GROUT: SURE. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. WE HAVE ONE IN-HOUSE SPEAKER AND TWO ON ZOOM ARE NO LONGER AVAILABLE. DAVID, ARE YOU AVAILABLE? >>COUN. DAVIS: WE HAVE DISPENSED WITH THAT. ALL RIGHT. BACK TO THE BILL. SPONSORS. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. AMENDMENT SPONSORED BY COUNCILOR GROUT AND MYSELF. IT'S ON PAGE THREE LINE SEVEN, AMEND AS FOLLOWS. THE MAYOR SHALL BE PRESIDING OFFICER OF CITY COUNCIL. SHALL BE A VOTING MEMBER OF COUNCIL. ON PAGE FOUR LINE 26, 27 AMEND. THE MAYOR SHALL BE A VOTING MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL. ON PAGE SIX LINE 22, AMEND AS FOLLOWS. CAST A VOTE ON MATTERS BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL. THIS AMENDMENT WOULD GIVE VOTING POWER TO THE MAYOR NOT LIMITED TO THE EVENT OF A TIE AMONG COUNCILORS. THIS CREATES A COUNCIL WITH TEN VOTING MEMBERS WITH A CURRENT RULE THAT A TIE VOTES RESULTS IN FAILURE OF MEASURE. IT MAKES FOR A TRULY COLLABORATIVE PROCESS FOR SETTING POLICY. THE IDEA BEHIND THIS IS MAKING SURE WE CLEAN UP THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN BEFORE AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERY PERSON VOTING ON CITY COUNCIL HAS AN EQUAL VOICE. >>COUN. GROUT: I SECOND THAT. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND ON FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. COUNCILOR GROUT, DO YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN BEFORE WE GO TO OTHER COUNCILORS? >>COUN. GROUT: I THINK THIS AMENDMENT IS VERY OBVIOUS. I THINK JUST BRINGING THE MAYOR TO THE TABLE AND COLLABORATING WITH US IS A MUCH BETTER IDEA. >>COUN. DAVIS: BEFORE WE GO TO THE ADMINISTRATION, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COUNCILORS? MR. RAEL. OH, COUNCILOR BASSAN, GO AHEAD. >>COUN. BASSAN: I STRUGGLE WITH HAVING A TEN-MEMBER VOTING. >>COUN. DAVIS: MR. RAEL, DOES THE ADMINISTRATION HAVE A POSITION? NO? OKAY. COUNCILORS TO CLOSE. >>COUN. GROUT: URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: URGE YOUR SUPPORT BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT MORE COLLABORATIVE PROCESS. >>COUN. DAVIS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. [ INAUDIBLE ]. THAT 5-4 AMENDMENT ONE PASSES. AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. I DID NOT GET MR. RAEL'S VOTE. YOU WOULDN'T GIVE IT TO US. I TRIED. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, NUMBER TWO. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. ON PAGE NINE, LINE FIVE TO EIGHT. AMEND AS FOLLOWS AND RENUMBER. AFTER ADMINISTRATIVE CONTROL AND SUPERVISION OVER THE DIRECTORS OF ALL CITY DEPARTMENTS WHICH APPOINT SHALL NOT REQUIRE THE ADVICE OR CONSULT WITH COUNCIL AS PROVIDED IN SECTION THREE. WITH THE ADVICE AND CONSENT COUNCIL APPOINTS THE CHIEF OF POLICE, FIRE CHIEF, CITY ATTORNEY, AND CITY CLERK. THIS WILL BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL FOR CONFIRMATION AFTER 35 DAYS AFTER A VACANT POSITION IS FILLED. WHEN AN APPOINTEE IS PRESENTED CITY MANAGERS SHALL WITHIN 60 DAYS NOMINATE ANOTHER PERSON FOR THE POSITION AND THE CITY MANAGER MAY CONTINUE TO NOMINATE. THE CHIEF OF POLICE, FIRE CHIEF, CITY ATTORNEY AND CITY CLERK WILL -- WITH THE CONCURRENCE OF THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL PLUS ONE. THE AMENDMENT PROPOSES TO FOLLOW THE CITY MANAGER TO RECOMMEND CANDIDATE FOR THE FIRE CHIEF, POLICE CHIEF, CITY ATTORNEY, CITY CLERK POSITIONS SUBJECT TO FINAL CONFIRMATION TO CITY COUNCIL. REMOVAL FROM THESE POSITIONS WOULD BE INITIATED BY THE MANAGER AND REQUIRED CONCUR AS SOON AS. >>COUN. GROUT: SECOND. >>COUN. DAVIS: THAT IS FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. MOTION AND SECOND. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL? DOES THE ADMINISTRATION HAVE A POSITION? THAT'S A NO. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. BACK TO THE SPONSORS TO CLOSE. >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDENT, THIS BRINGS IT IN LINE TO WHAT WE DO NOW AT THIS TIME. AS FAR AS APPROVING OF THE FIRE CHIEF, POLICE CHIEF, CITY ATTORNEY, AND CITY CLERK. I THINK THAT IMPORTANT. URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? COUNCILOR LEWIS, HOW DO YOU VOTE? I'M SORRY. ARE YOU A YES OR NO? OKAY, IT'S 6-3. THAT'S ALL THE AMENDMENTS? OKAY. COUNCILORS, WE'RE BACK ON THE BILL AS TWICE AMENDED. DO THE SPONSORS HAVE A MOTION. >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDENT, I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER THIS TO THE JUNE 21st MEETING. BECAUSE IT'S BEEN AMENDED. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'LL NEED ANOTHER HEARING. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, YOU SECOND THAT? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: SECOND AND IF WE WOULD LIKE, WE CAN HAVE MS. -- >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'RE FINE WITH THAT. I KNOW THE ADMINISTRATION HAS MR. KREBS THAT'S BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE. I -F YOU WANT TO HAVE HIM SPEAK NOW OR BRING HIM BACK FOR THE 21st, IT'S UP TO YOU. >> MR. RAEL, IT'S FAIR TO HAVE HIM SAY A FEW RE-MAE MARKS SINCE HE'S BEEN HERE ALL EVENING. >>COUN. DAVIS: IN LIEU OF THEIR OWN Q&A IF THEY CAN HAVE PROFESSOR KREBS MAKE HIS CASE. IS HERE HERE? OH, HE'S ON ZOOM, SOMEBODY SAID. >>COUN. DAVIS: PROFESSOR GOOD TO SEE YOU. WE'RE GOING TO ROLL THIS OVER TO THE 21st MEETING FOR FINAL ACTION. SINCE YOU STUCK IT OUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU WEIGH IN ON BEHALF OF THE ADMINISTRATION. >> I HOPE I CAN DO THIS QUICKLY. COUNCIL PRESIDENT, FELLOW COUNCILORS, DEBATES ABOUT -- I'M DWOOT GIVE A I'M GOING TO GIVE A HISTORY LESSON AND TALK ABOUT WHY THE MAYOR-COUNCIL FORM OF GOVERNMENT IS A BETTER WAY TO GO FOR ALBUQUERQUE. GETTING A LITTLE BIT OF FEEDBACK HERE, SO IF I'M DISJOINTED THAT MIGHT BE WHY. DEBATES ABOUT FORM OF GOVERNMENT AT THE CITY LEVEL ARE ROOTED IN THE PROGRESSIVE ERA IN THE UNITED STATES. ROUGHLY HAD PERIOD FROM 1890 TO 1920. PRIOR TO AND DURING THIS TIME THE PRIMARY FORM OF GOVERNMENT AT THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT WAS MAYOR-COUNCIL FORM. WEAK MAYOR, STRONG COUNCIL FORM OF GOVERNMENT. THIS WAS THE FORM OF POWERFUL POLITICAL MACHINES. AND WEAKNESSES IN THE OFFICIAL GOVERNING STRUCTURE TO CONSOLIDATE POWER BY DIRECTOR PACHRENNAGE, CONTRACTS TO THE LARGELY IMMIGRANT BASE OF SUPPORTERS. THE REFORMERS WERE BASED IN MIDDLE AND UPPER CLASS BUSINESS CENTERS. THEY PROMOTED THE COUNCIL MANAGER FORM NON-PARTISAN BALLOTS AND AT LARGE REPRESENTATION SYSTEMS, PRECISELY THE KIND OF SYSTEM ALBUQUERQUE ABANDONED IN 1974. THEY'RE TRYING TO GIVE AN APOLITICAL APPROACH TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT. REFORMERS ACHIEVED SUCCESS IN PROMOING VISION OF LOCAL GUMP -- GOVERNMENT IN CITY'S WEST OF THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER. WHAT YOU HAD GENERALLY WERE TWO DIFFERENT MODELS OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT. THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO THIS DAY. ONE BASED IN POLITICAL REPRESENTATION AND CITIZEN PARTICIPATION, AND ONE BASE IN ADMINISTRATIVE EFFICIENCY. WHAT IS INTERESTING IS THAT LEADERS IN BOTH BIG CITIES AND MACHINE CITIES AND BIG CITY REFORM CITIES USE POLITICS TO SECURE THEIR POWER AND THEIR RESPECTIVE SYSTEMS. POWER THAT WAS HELD OVER TIME WHERE LEADERS USE THE POWER OF OFFICES TO DIRECT RESOURCES AND TO FAVORED AND POLITICALLY POWERED GROUPS. IN THE LAST 30E YEARS BOTH MAYOR COUNCIL AND COUNCIL MANAGER CITIES ADAPTED THEIR FORMS OF GOVERNMENT TO INCORPORATE THE BEST ASPECT OF EACH OTHER'S SYSTEMS. COUNCIL-MANAGER SYSTEMS HAVE CALLED INTEREST TO ESTABLISH A POLITICAL LEADER AMONG COUNCILORS. STRONG MAYOR-COUNCIL SYSTEMS ADD THE POSITION OF CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER TO STRENGTHEN THE -- MAYOR'S ABILITY TO RUN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH. IT IS A PROBLEM IN TERMS OF FINDING SOMEONE WHO IS GOING TO SERVE AS MAYOR, A POLITICAL AND POLICY LEADER, WHO IS ALSO GOING TO BE A FULL-TIME ADMINISTRATOR. IN THESE COUNCIL MANAGER PLACES EXACTLY LIKE ALBUQUERQUE HAS, WHEN THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATIE OFFICERS THAT SERVES THE MAYOR AND INJECT A LEVEL OF PROFESSIONAL ADMINISTRATION TO THE MANAGEMENT OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH. COUNCIL MANAGER CITIES MOVED TO CALL FOR THE DIRECT ELECTION OF MAYORS IN ORDER TO RESOLVE CRISIS OF LEADERSHIP THAT OFTEN HAPPENED AROUND CONTROVERSIAL ISSUES. YOU CAN IMAGINE A CITY COUNCIL THAT IS OFTEN NOT IN THIS CASE PER SE, BUT IN MOST CASES, CITY COUNCIL THAT'S PART TIME. IT DOESN'T HAVE A LARGE STAFF TO REALLY COMPETE WITH THE INFORMATION RESOURCES OF THE CITY MANAGER. YOU CAN IMAGINE SITUATIONS WHERE THEY'RE NOT TAKING A STRONG POLICY LEADERSHIP ROLE ON ISSUES AND DEFERRING TO THE CITY MANAGER WHO HAS ADVANTAGES. BUT THERE'S ALSO THE CASE THAT THE CITY MANAGER IS HESITANT TO TAKE THE LEAD ON THINGS BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN A MAJORITY OF THE CITY COUNCIL'S SUPPORT. OFTENTIMES IN THESE PLACES THERE'S A CRISIS OF LEADERSHIP. THEY HAVE REACTED TO DIRECTLY ELECT THE MAYORS TO CREATE A STRONG POLITICAL LEADER. MAYOR-COUNCIL SYSTEM DID THE OPPOSITE. THEY ADOPTED ASPECTS OF THE COUNCIL-MANAGER SYSTEM TO INJECT ADMINISTRATIVE EXPERTISE INTO LOCAL GOVERNMENT THROUGH THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER. THE RESEARCH ON FORM OF GOVERNMENT SHOWS THAT THERE'S REALLY NO DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF FISCAL POLICY OUTPUTS. IN TERMS OF SPENDING AND TAXES AND MIX OF TAXES AND SO FORTH. COUNCIL-MANAGER MIGHT BE EFFICIENT AND LESS CORRUPT, THAT'S WHAT THE LITERATURE SHOWS. THE REAL COST, THOUGH, IN SWITCHING TO A COUNCIL-MANAGER SYSTEM HAS TO DO WITH CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT. MAYOR-COUNCIL CITY HAS HIGHER RATES OF PARTICIPATION, HIGHER RATES OF PARTICIPATION THAN COUNCIL-MANAGER. THE REASON THIS IS BECAUSE WHEN VOTERS KNOW THAT THEIR CHOICE DIRECTLY LEAD TO HOW THE ADMINISTRATION FUNCTIONS AND DIRECTLY LEADS TO THE TYPE OF POLITICAL LEADER THEY WANT AT A PARTICULAR MOMENT IN TIME THEY'RE MORE ENGAGED IN THE PROCESS AND LIKELY TO TURN OUT. MORE LIKELY TO BE ENGAGED. THERE'S SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES IN VOTER TURNOUT BETWEEN COUNCIL-MANAGER CITIES. AND MAYOR-COUNCIL CITIES. THAT IS, I THINK, THE PIG BIGGEST FLAW MOVING FORWARD. I THINK THAT THE VOTERS SHOULD HAVE A VERY ROBUST SAY IN THE POLITICAL AND ADMINISTRATIVE DIRECTION OF THE CITY. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. THANK YOU, PROFESSOR. WE APPRECIATE IT. I'M SURE WE'LL SEE YOU BACK IN A FEW WEEKS. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS FOR DEFERRAL. ANYTHING ELSE? COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: NO, MR. PRESIDENT. I THINK, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT, AND THE FIRST ONE, ONE SECTION THAT SAID WHY THE COUNCIL-MANAGER IS PREFERRED FORM OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT. AND A PRETTY GOOD U. OF DATA AND SUPPORTING EXAMPLES OF WHY. PRETTY IMPRESSIVE. LOT TO CHEW ON. I GUESS THE PROFESSOR IS SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE ADMINISTRATION. YOU KNOW,IF I'M IN THE MIDDLE AND I'M LOOKING FOR SOME HELP WITH MAKING A DECISION LIKE THIS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE SAME TYPE OF DATA SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS, EXAMPLES, THAT WOULD EXPECT FROM A STRONG MAYOR. I THINK THERE'S A PRETTY BIG DIFFERENCE IN BOTH THOSE PRESENTATIONS. AND MAYBE IT WAS ONE GOT MORE OF A HEADS UP THAN THE OTHER. I CERTAINLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE DATA, SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS, AND EXAMPLES FROM OTHER CITIES. I THINK THERE WAS CONCLUSIONS MADE, BUT NOT AS MUCH TO SUPPORT IT. >>COUN. DAVIS: I AGREE WITH COUNCILOR LEWIS. I THINK WE CAN HAVE A MORE ROBUST DEBATE IN A COUPLE WEEKS. ANYTHING ELSE ON THE MOTION TO DEFER? SEEING NO OTHER. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE DEFERRAL SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT MATTER CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. NEXT UP IS R-131 WHICH IS RELATED. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, AND COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. R-131 IS A FLOOR SUB, AUTHORIZING THE PROPOSITION TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE VOTERS AT THE NEXT LOCAL ELECTION TO BE HELD IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. AND AMENDMENTS TO THE ALBUQUERQUE CITY CHARTER. PROVIDING THE FORM AND QUESTION FOR THE BALLOT. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: SECOND. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF FLOOR AMENDMENTS. AND GO ALONG WITH THE PREEFBT ONE. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. ON -- THE MAYOR SHALL BE THE PRESIDING OFFICER OF THE CITY COUNCIL. SHALL BE A VOTING MEMBER OF CITY COUNCIL. ON PAGE THREE LINES 20, 21 AMEND AS FOLLOWING. SHALL BE A VOTING MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL. LINE THREE, LINES 28 AND 29, AMEND AS FOLLOWS. CAST A VOTE ON MATTERS BEFORE THE COUNCIL. THE EXPLANATION FOR THIS IS THE AMENDMENT WOULD GIVE VOTING POWERS TO THE MAYOR NOT LIMITED TO THE TIE AMONG COUNCILORS. THIS CREATES A COUNCIL WITH TEN VOTING MEMBERS. THE RULE THAT A TIE VOTE RESULTS IN A FAILURE OF A MEASURE WOULD REMAIN IN EFFECT. THE MAYOR IS A VOTER MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL MAKE A COLLABORATIVE PROCESS FOR SETTING POLICY. >>COUN. DAVIS: IS THAT A SECOND? COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: SECOND. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. THIS WOULD ALIGN IT FROM THE PREVIOUS AMENDMENT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE? HAVING DISCUSSED THIS ALREADY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. COUNCILOR PEÑA, ARE YOU A NO? YOU'RE A YES? OKAY 6-3. OKAY, COUNCILORS, AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDENT, FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO FOR FLOOR -- I WON'T READ IT ALL AGAIN. IT'S THE SAME BEFORE. ON PAGE FIVE AMEND AS FOLLOWING. THE EXPLANATION IS THE SAME. THE AMENDMENT PROPOSAL TO ALLOW THE CITY MANAGER TO RECOMMEND CAND DETERMINES FOR THE CHIEF OF POLICE THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO FINAL CONFIRMATION FROM THE CITY COUNCIL. REMOVAL FROM THE POSITIONS WOULD BE INITIATED BY THE MANAGER AND WOULD REQUIRE CONCURRENCE OF A MAJORITY OF THE COUNCILORS. I MOVE THE AMENDMENT. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: SECOND. >>COUN. DAVIS: MOTION AND A SECOND ON AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. 6-3. THAT MATTER CARRIES. WE'RE BACK ON THE BILL. BEFORE WE GET THERE WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER. I DON'T SEE MR. SANTAG. >> WE HAVE LARRY SANTAG. >>COUN. DAVIS: LARRY DIDN'T SPEAK AT PUBLIC COMMENT. WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS. WE'RE BACK ON THE BILL AS AMENDED. IS THERE A MOTION? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES, MOTION TO DEFER. >>COUN. GROUT: I'LL SEGGED THAT . >>COUN. DAVIS: BEFORE WE GET TOO MUCH FURTHER. I WANT TO ASK ANY OTHER COUNCILORS AND ANYTHING FROM THE ADMINISTRATION? OKAY, JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: COUNCILOR GROUT AND MYSELF URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE DEFERRAL SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT MATTER CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'LL SEE THAT IN TWO WEEKS. THAT TAKES US, WE'VE DAWN -- THAT TAKES US BACK TO THE TWO BIG IDO AMENDMENTS THAT YOU'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR. WE'RE GOING TO START WITH O-54. COUNCILORS, IF IT'S OKAY, I WANT TO ASK YOU, WE HAVE A PACKET OF AMENDMENTS AND WE HAVE 79 PEOPLE TECHNICALLY SIGNED UP. I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY ARE STILL HERE. I'M GOING TO DEFER TO THE SPONSORS WHETHER YOU WANT TO DO PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN HAVE PEOPLE COMMENT ON THE FINAL BILL. FIRST YOU NEED TO MOVE THE BILL. >>COUN. BENTON: MR. PRESIDENT, I'LL MOVE 0-54 A DO PASS. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR JONES. DO YOU WANT TO DO AMENDMENTS OR COMMENTS? >>COUN. BENTON: WHY DON'T WE DO COMMENTS. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS JOHN FOLLOWED BY ANN. >>COUN. DAVIS: REMINDER IF YOU'RE COMING DOWN AS WE DISCUSSED EARIER, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, WE'RE GOING TO LIMIT COMMENTS ON THE BILL TO ONE MINUTE BECAUSE WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT EARIER AND PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO ADDRESS IT THERE AS WELL. WE HAVE -- THAT'S THE WAY WE ANNOUNCED THE RULES WAS COMMENT ON THE BILL WAS ONE MINUTE. IT CAN BE EXTENDED BY QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCILORS. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF FOLKS AND AN HOUR TO GET THROUGH THIS MEETING. WE'RE GOING TO TRY THIS. COUNCILORS CAN EXTENDED IT. >> ANN FOLLOWED BY MICHAEL. MICHAEL FOLLOWED BY JULIE. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, I SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THE HOUSING FORWARD INITIATIVE BECAUSE THE REZONING MEASURES PROPOSED FOR R1 ZONING HAVE BEEN ATTEMPTED IN 1,136 MUNICIPALITIES AND FAILED TO IMPROVE THE AVAILABILITY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, FAILED TO REDUCE RENT, AND INCREASED ABITANTEE LANDLORDS. DISRUPTED THE DISADVANTAGED NEIGHBORHOODS AND ENCOURAGED OUT OF STATE HEDGE FUNDS TO BUY PROPERTY AND DRIVING UP PROSS AND REDUCING THE NUMBER OF PROPERTIES IN LOWER INCOME NEIGHBORHOODS. WHEN HOTEL CONVERSIONS RELY ON WEAKENED STANDARDS IN A CITY ALREADY DESERTS WITHOUT GROCERY STORES WITHOUT FRESH FOODS THEY RELY ON OVERLY PROCESSED PRODUCTS DEGRADING THEIR HEALTH AND LIFE EXPECTANCY. THE HOUSING FORWARD ISSUE IS A MASH UP OF COUNTER PRODUCTIVE MEASURES THAT NEGATIVELY IMPACT QUALITY OF LIFE AND EXPOSES THE CITY TO MASSIVE LAWSUIT BASED ON UNCONSTITUTIONAL TAKING. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. >> JULIE FOLLOWED BY JAMES. >> GOOD EVENING,MR. PRESIDENT. TONIGHT I WANT TO TELL YOU TWO STORIES. ONE IS FROM SEVERAL YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS TALKING WITH MY NEIGHBOR. WANTED TO BUILD A STRUCK CANTURE FOR MY RV. HAVING INVESTED A LOT IN OUR HOME I SAID WE WOULD WITH OBJECT. IT IS A CONDITIONAL STRUCTURE. ULTIMATELY HE DECIDED NOT TO BUILD THAT STRUCTURE. HOWEVER, IF HE WOULD HAVE GONE FORWARD I COULD NOT HAVE STOPPED IT IF HE MET ALL OF THE REGULATIONS. THE ADVANTAGE OF HAVING A CONDITIONAL IS THAT WE WOULD TALK TO ONE ANOTHER. HE TALKED TO ME OVER THE FENCE. IN OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES CONDITIONAL YOU HAVE A FACILITATED MEETING. WHAT A WONDERFUL WAY TO INTERACT WITH ONE ANOTHER. THE SECOND STORY IS ABOUT FRIENDS THAT CAN NO LONGER LIVE IN TWO STORY HOME. A FAMILY MEMBER TOLD THEM YOU CAN BUILD A CRASITA. I'M HAPPY THEY HAVE THAT AS AN OPTION. I KNOW THAT FAMILY. THEY TALK TO NEIGHBORS AND TALK ABOUT PRIVACY AND PARKING. CONDITIONAL MEANS YOU TALK TO ONE ANOTHER. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> I URGE YOU TO CONSIDER THAT. >>COUN. GROUT: I WAS GOING TO LET YOU FINISH YOUR COMMENT. >> THANK YOU. I'M GLAD THAT THESE FRIENDS HAVE THAT AS AN OPTION. THIS FAMILY WOULD TALK TO THEIR NEIGHBORS AND TALK ABOUT PRIACY ISSUES AND TALK ABOUT THE FACT THEY WANT TO BUILD A CASITA. AND ASK IF THEY CAN BUILD IT TO THE FENCE OR FURTHER APART. MAYBE THAT NEIGHBOR HAD OTHER PLANS AS WELL. CONDITIONAL DOES NOT MAKE DIFFERENT STANDARD FOR PEOPLE THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET. IT DOES PROVIDE FOR FACILITATION OF NEIGHBORS TO TALK TO NEIGHBORS AND MAKE SURE THAT IF SOMEONE ELSE WANT TO BUILD ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE THEY CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IN ADVANCE. THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. >> JAMES FOLLOWED BY DANIEL. >> MR. PRESIDENT, I REPRESENT THE SANTA FE VILLAGE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. OUR COMMENTERS ARE A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD. THEY REFLECT THE MEASURED AND THOUGHTFUL VIEW OF HOUSING FORWARD. NOT KNEE JERK OPPOSITION. THEY REPRESENT CAREFUL READING OF THE I.D.O. AND COMMUNICATION WITH PLANNING DEPARTMENT STAFF. THEY'RE INFORMED BY CONVERSATIONS WITH MEMBERS AND BOARD AND SPECIFIC KNOWLEDGE OF SANTA FE VILLAGE. THEY REPRESENT ENGAGEMENT EVERY STEP OF THE PROCESS AND COMMUNICATION AND GOOD FAITH. NOT A COMPETITION FOR WHOSE VIEWS PREVAIL. THEY DESERVE CAREFUL CONSIDERATION. IT IS OUR VIEW THAT CAREFUL CONSIDERATION IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE ANNUAL REVIEW BEFORE THE COUNCIL TONIGHT. PLEASE DEFEAT O-22-54 AND ADDRESS THE PROPOSAL IN A PRESENTATIVE PROCESS THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE CLEAN UP AMENDMENTS. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. >> DANIEL FOLLOWED BY EVELYN. EVELYN FOLLOWED BY JEREMY. >> MAKING THE CONSTRUCTION AND DUPLEX INCLUSION IN R1 NEIGHBORHOODS CONDITIONAL RATHER THAN PERMISSIVE USE WOULD BE FAIR TO ALL THOSE EFFECTED. CONDITIONAL USES LIKE VARIANCES FOR CAR PORTS REQUIRE NOTIFICATION OF NEIGHBORS AND THE ASSOCIATION OF THE AREA AND REQUIRE A HEARING BEFORE THE ZONING HEARING OFFICER. THIS GIVES BOTH THE PROPONENTS AND OBJECTORS A LEGAL NON-VIOLENT PROCEDURE FROM WHICH THEY CAN DERIVE A DECISION THAT BOTH CAN FEEL WAS FAIRLY MADE. A PERMISSIVE USE GIVES THE OBJECTOR NO ALTERNATIVE BUT AN EXPENSIVE LAWSUIT WHICH MOST RESIDENTS CANNOT AFFORD. DOING THIS WAS THE CONSENSUS THOUGHT OF 13 NEIGHBORHOOD REPRESENTATIVES OF DESTRUCT SEVEN WHILE THEY DON'T LIKE THE WHOLE IDEA THEY THOUGHT CONDITIONAL USE WAS A BETTER COMPROMISE. >> JEREMY FOLLOWED BY SHYLA. >> THANK YOU, O-22-54 IS THE LOGICAL THING TO DO. YOU HAVE 22,000 PEOPLE THAT NEEDS HOMES AND THIS CREATES HOMES. YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT CAN'T AFFORD HOMES AND THIFB GIVES THEM AN EXTRA SOURCE OF REVENUE. IT'S THE COMPASSIONATE THING TO DO. 20,000 PEOPLE CAN WAIT ON THEIR COUCHES WHILE WE SCRUTINIZE THIS BASELESS CLAIM ABOUT HOW THIS IS GOING TO IMPACT THEM. GIVING SOMEBODY DIGNITY DOES NOT MAKE CAS APPEAR ON THE STREETS. GIVING THEM DIG GNAW -- AND O-22-54 IS ALSO THEURGENANT NEXT YEAR WE ARE GOING TO BE DEALING WITH A BIGGER PROBLEM. THE CHARACTER OF THIS TOWN THAT THEY'RE SO CONCERNED ABOUT IS MARRED AND HAS TENTS AND PARKS UNDER THE BRIDGES. THAT IS THE CHARACTER WE'RE BUILDING IF WE DO NOT ADDRESS THE HOUSING PROBLEM. THANK YOU. >> SHYLA FOLLOWED BY JANE. >> I AM A RESIDENT OF THE ACADEMY ACRES NORTH NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I'M AN EXPERIENCED RESIDENTIAL REAL ESTATE REALTOR. IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS THEY'VE BEEN AN EMOTIONAL LINE OF WORK FOR PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO BUY A HOME AND REALIZED THEY COULDN'T UNLESS THEY HAD $300,000. FOR PEOPLE COMFORTABLE IN RENTALS AND REALIZED IT IT WAS GOING TO COST THEM OUT OF THE HOME. AND IF -- FOR PEOPLE -- I'M SORRY I'M TRYING TO LOWER MYSELF TO A MINUTE. WE HAD TO SAY I'M SORRY, AGAIN, AND AGAIN. WE HAVE TO SAY WE'RE SORRY. I'M SORRY YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET YOUR OFFICER ACCEPTED. AND NOW WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE I'M SORRY YOU CAN'T BUILD A DUPLEX IN THE BACK YARD TO CREATE MULTI-GENERATIONAL LIVING FOR YOUR FAMILY IS SO RARE WE GET TO SAY YES. THAT'S JUST NOT OKAY. THIS IS ECONOMICS 101. THIS IS SUPPLY AND DEMAND. THIS IS ALBUQUERQUE'S BREAKING POINT. I WOULD HAVE LIKED TWO MINUTES. THANKS. >> JANETED FOLLOWED BY BRENDA. >> WHEN I HEARD ABOUT THE ZONING CHANGE I WAS CONCERNED IT WOULD CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF CASTLE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE I LIVE. I GREW UP IN A COOKIE CUTTER NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE NORTHEAST HEIGHTS. WHEN I MOVED BACK TO ALBUQUERQUE I BOUGHT BECAUSE THE OLDER HOMES EACH OF WHICH IS UNIQUE. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION INVITED CITY OFFICIALS TO ATTEND A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING AND ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROPOSED CHANGE. AFTER HEARING THE CITY'S RESPONSES, I BELIEVE THE ORDINANCE IS WELL-THOUGHT OUT. LEVERAGES EXPERIENCES OF OTHER CITIES FACING THE SAME ISSUE AND REASONABLE RESPONSE TO CONDITION THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. I PERSONALLY NOTE TWO WOMEN IMPACTED BY THE HOUSING SHORTAGE. ONE IS A TRAVELING NURSE SPENDING SIX MONTHS LIVING IN A BEDROOM IN SOMEONE ELSE'S HOME. SHE IS NOT COMFORTABLE IN THIS SITUATION BUT SHE COULDN'T FIND A BETTER ALTERNATIVE. THE OTHER WOMAN MOVED HERE FROM NASHVILLE. MANAGED -- >>COUN. DAVIS: FINISH THAT THOUGHT. >> WHERE SHE MANAGED HOME FOR VICTIMS OF SEX TRAFFICKING. SHE'S CONSIDERING LEAVING ALBUQUERQUE BECAUSE SHE CAN'T FIND HOUSING AFFORDABLE. BOTH WOMEN POSSESS SKILLS VAIBL TO THE COMMUNITY AND WOULD BE DESIRABLE NEIGHBORS. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. >> BRENDA FOLLOWED BY JANICE. JANICE, FOLLOWED BY LEZLY. >> LESLIE FOLLOWED BY MARK. >> I'M WITH DISTRICT SIX. O-22-54 IS RIFE WITH PROCEDURAL PROBLEMS. THE CITY'S PR IS THIS IS ABOUT CREAING ACCESS TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, YET IT LACKS ANY PROVISIONS TO ENSURE ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT WILL BE LESS EXPENSIVE THAN MARKET RATE. THERE'S LITTLE IF ANY EVIDENCE THAT THE KINDS OF MEASURES IMPROVE AFFORDABILITY. MY OWN EXPERIENCE IN AUSTIN IS THEY'RE ACTUALLY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN LARGER HOMES. A RECENT MEETING BETWEEN CITY OFFICIALS CONFIRMS THIS ONE PERSON EXPECTED NEW ADU TO BE LANKY. WHICH IS NOT A SIN NUNM FOR AFFORDABLE. THEY LOOKED AT THIS QUESTION AND FOUND THERE'S NO STATISTICALLY EVIDENCE THAT LOWER COST UNITS BECAME AVAILABLE OR LESS EXPENSIVE IN THE LAND USE REFORMS. THE CITY IS TREATING THESE CHANGES WHICH ARE EFFECTIVELY CHANGING THE R1 ZONE AS IF THEY'RE NOT ZONING CHANGES EVEN THOUGH THE CITY WEBSITE SAYS THEY ARE. THIS IS WHY WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED INDIVIDUAL NOTICE. TEXT AMENDMENTS SHOULD NOT BE THE VEHICLE FOR WHOLE SALE CHANGES TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS. THANK YOU. >> MARK FOLLOWED BY SAL. >> MR. PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, I'M A REAL ESTATE BROKER, PROPERTY MANAGER, AND RETIRED STATE SENATOR. ONE OF THE TRENDS WE'VE SEEN IN REAL ESTATE FOR MORE THAN A DECADE IS A GROWING NUMBER OF MELT GENERATIONAL FAMILIES WHICH MAKES PERFECT SENSE FROM FINANCIAL VIEWPOINT. THE LEGISLATURE RECOGNIZES TRENDS IN 2009 WHEN IT PASSED THE BILL 285 ENABLING COUNTIES TO OPT INTO MULTI-GENERATIONAL ZONING. HOPEFULLY YOU MAKE THE ZONING CHANGES IN THE LEAST INTRUSIVE WAY. NOT EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD IS IMPACTED IN THE SAME WAY. NEIGHBORHOODS IN HOA OR WHERE THEY BUILT EIGHT TO 12 HOMES AN ACRE WILL NOT BE AFFECTED. THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN COUNCIL DISTRICTS MOST EFFECTED WOULD BE THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS. THESEOME WLNG THE LEAST INTRUSIVE WAY INCLUDES LISTENING CAREFULLY TO COUNCILORS WHO REPRESENT THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND TRYING TO DELAY THEIR CONCERNS. THE CONCERNS I HEARD ARE THE NORTHEAST HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND PARKING SETBACKS AND WORRIED INVESTORS SWARM ON TO THEIR STREET WITH POORLY MANAGED RENTALS. >> SAL FOLLOWED BY PATRICIA. >> GOOD EVENING, I'M HERE AS CHAIR OF NAOP. WE'RE IN FULL SUPPORT OF ALL ASPECTS OF O-22-4 54. AS A YOU THINK PROFESSIONAL, I BELIEVE THIS IS A GREAT STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOR OUR CITY. WHEN I WAS 26 YEARS OLD I PURCHASED MY FIRST PROPERTY IN THE HISTORIC SILVER HILL NEIGHBORHOOD. IT WAS 100-YEAR OLD STRUCTURE WITH A SMALL HOUSE AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. AFTER RENOVATIONS WERE COMPLETE I LIVED IN THE MAIN HOUSE AND RENTED OUT THE ADU. THE PROPERTY WAS LESS THAN ONE BLOCK FROM CENTRAL. EVEN WITH THE THREE CARS ASSOCIATED, PARKING WAS NEVER AN ISSUE. AFTER A FEW YEARS I SOLD THIS PROPERTY AND JUSTIFIED A PREMIUM ON THE SALE DUE TO REVENUE GENERATED BY THE ADU. THE PROCEEDS ALLOWED ME TO PAY OFF MY STUDENT LOAN AND TRUCK LOAN CREAING FINANCIAL INDEPENDENCE. I'M GOING TO SKIP AHEAD. WE'RE A FAN OF THE ABILITY TO CREATE MULTIGENERATIONAL LIVING WITH THE ADU. I THINK THAT'S A STAURNG PART OF NEW MEXICAN CULTURE. URGE YOUR SUPPORT. HOPE YOU CAN BRING ALBUQUERQUE A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. THANK YOU. >> PATRICIA FOLLOWED BY JAMES. >> A LETTER IN SUNDAY'S JOURNAL BROUGHT AN EXCELLENT POINT. YOU NEED TO APPLY FOR A VARIANCE TO BUILD A CAR PORT. WHY SHOULDN'T NABVERS THE SAME NOIFICATION PROCESS FOR A DWELLING ADJACENT TO THEIR BACKYARD? SOME COUNCILORS SAY THERE'S BEEN PLENTY OF TIME AND EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT'S IN THE BILL. THAT IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. AN ONLINE PETITION STARTED SIX DAYS ASKING ASKING YOU TO VOTE NO ON O-22-54 HAS 20 WRITTEN COMMENTS AND 729 SIGNERS. UNFORTUNATELY, THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION HAS DICONGRESSED INTO SUPPORTERS VERSES OOPPONENTS. IT'S ABOUT A LOT MORE THAN CS A, SIT IT DOES NOT BELONG IN THE ANNUAL UPDATE PROCESS. I COULDN'T TALK WITH ONE MINUTE. BUT I'M DONE. >> JAMES FOLLOWED BY LAURA. >> OUR CITY IS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS WE MUST ADDRESS IT TO AVOID EXPLOSION OF HOMELESS ACROSS WHICH THE CITY. WE MUST DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MITIGATE THE SUFFERING. I WAS HOMELESS IN ALBUQUERQUE FROM 2016 AND 2017 AND I SLEPT MANY NIGHTS OUTSIDE. BEING BRUTALLY ATTACKED LIKE MANY PEOPLE. I LIVED A WHOLE SEASON AT THE WEST SIDE. I HAVE BENEFITTED FROM A CITY HOUSING VOUCHER FROM THE LOCAL NON-PROFITS. THANK YOU VERY VERY MUCH. THESE PROGRAMS WORK AND CHANGE PEOPLE'S LIVES BUT THEY ONLY WORK IF HOUSE ISSING AVAILABLE. THE WEST SIDE IS A GOOD SHELTER OF LAST RESORT. BUT NO ONE CAN IMPROVE THEIR LIVES WHILE THEY'RE WAREHOUSED AT HAD WEST SIDE. SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS THE BEGS WAY TO HELP EVERYBODY. IT SEEMS TRIVIABLE TO DEBATE BRNG THANK YOU VERY MUCH. PLEASE VOTE YES. >> LAURA FOLLOWED BY CHRISTOPHER. >> THANK YOU. I LIVE IN THE OLD SAWMILL HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT'S OVER 100 YEARS OLD. I'M SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSAL ZONING AMENDMENTS BECAUSE THE HOUSING CRISIS IN ALBUQUERQUE AFFECTS US ALL. I TAKE THE LATE SENAOR PAUL WELLSTONE'S WORDS TO HEART. WE ALL DO BETTER WHEN WE ALL DO BETTER. WHEN WE ALL HAVE DECENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING SOMETHING I BELIEVE IS A BASIC HUMAN RIGHT, WHEN WE REMOVE THE ANXIETY AND STRESS THAT BURDEN SO MANY NEIGHBORS, I SUSPECT WE SEE IMPROVEMENTS IN COMMUNITY SPIRITS THAT ARE EDUCATIONAL SCORES AMONG THE YOUTH, AND REDUCED INCIDENTS OF MINOR CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AND LIKELY IMPROVED HEALTH OUTCOMES. I URGE YOU TO SUPPORT THE ZONING AMENDMENT BECAUSE THEY WILL REMOVE BARRIERS TO BUILDING AND RENOVATING DIVERSE HOUSING TYPES INCLUING ADU AND FLATS. THE SOCIAL, ECONOMIC AND COMMUNITY BENEFITS COULD HAVE A PROFOUND IMPACT ON ALL OF US. THANK YOU. >> CHRISTOPHER FOLLOWED BY ISABELLE. >> GOOD EVENING, MR. PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I LIVE HERE IN ALBUQUERQUE ALL MY LIFE. I LOVE THIS CITY. I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE HOUSING FORWARD INITIATIVE. I KNOW YOU'VE HEARD IT ALL BY NOW. THIS DEBATE HAS GONE ON LONG ENOUGH. I'M HERE TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO GET ON WITH IT. HOUSING FORWARD IS INEVITABLE. I HAVE A COMPANY THAT BUILDS TINY HOMES IN ALBUQUERQUE. I FIND MYSELF IN AN INTERESTING ADVANTAGE BECAUSE I'M FLANKED BY PEOPLE IN REALISTIC HOUSING AND INOVATIVE SOLUTIONS ON THE CONSTRUCTION ON THE OTHER. AND HUNDREDS CONVERSATIONS ON THE BASE. THE WORLD IS CHANING MUCH FAST ER THAN ANY CAN MANAGE. IT'S TIME TO GET OUT OF THE WAY AND LET ALBUQUERQUE EVOLVE AND DEAL WITH THE PROBLEMS UPON US. HOUSING FORWARD IS A GOOD START IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. THESE AMENDMENTS SUPPORT SMALLER HOUSING SOLUTIONS. VOTE FOR IT. THANK YOU. >> IZLEL FOLLOWED >> ISABELLE FOLLOWED BY LAURA. >> I'M A RESIDENT OF THE -- NEIGHBORHOOD. I ALSO WORK AS A CASE MANAGER. AND A LOT OF WHAT I DO IS HOUSE UNHOUSED PEOPLE. AND I HAD TO PUT SOMEBODY IN A CONVERTED HOTEL ROOM FOR $900 WHICH IS UNJUST. THE FACT IS THAT'S BECAUSE OF SCARCITY. HE WAS THRILLED TO BE IN THIS UNIT BECAUSE HE HAD A KITCHENETTE AND A BED. HE WAS THRILLED. THESE CONVERTED UNITS PROVIDE HOPE FOR PEOPLE AND HOUSING WHICH IS WHAT PEOPLE REALLY NEED. IF HE DIDN'T HAVE TO BE PUTTING EVERY CENT HE'S EARNING INTO PAYING RENT IT WOULD BE A WONDERFUL SITUATION FOR HIM. IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT HE'S PAYING $900 FOR A TINY UNIT. THIS ORDINANCE WOULD HELP PEOPLE LIKE MY PARENTS BUILD A CASITA FOR MY AGING AUNT. A SAFE, COMFORTABLE AND CONVENIENT SITUATION FOR US. THIS ORDINANCE WOULD SUPPORT PEOPLE ON MANY ECONOMIC LEVELS IN ALBUQUERQUE. >> LAURA FOLLOWED BY RAYLEAN. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, I ASK YOU TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF 0-22-54. WE HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS IN OUR CITY AND IT'S -- SEEKS STABLE AFFORDABLE LIVING ACCOMMODATION. RENTAL COST HAVE RAISED TO 35% OF REGULAR SALARIES. AS AN EXAMPLE, I'M PRESIDENT OF A LOCAL NON-PROFIT AND I'M FACING INCREASED SALARY PRESSURE FROM MY STAFF WHO ARE PROMINENTLY YOUNG AND HAVE SINGLE PERSON OR TWRO-PERSON HOUSING NEEDS. THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO AFFORD MORTAGES AND NEED HOUSING SOLUTIONS. WE NEED TO MODERNIZE THE CODE AND PROVIDE MORE DIVERSE HOUSING SOLUTIONS AND PROMOTE POSITIVE GROWTH AND DIVERSITY. THEY PROVIDE OTHER SOLUTIONS AND ALLOW TRADITIONAL HOUSING INCLUSIONS AND PUT LESS TREASURE ON THE URBAN SPRAWL THAT AFFECTS THE CLIMATE ISSUES AND OUR SEVERE DROUGHT THAT WE'RE FACING. >> RAYLEAN FOLLOWED BY SANTOS. >> GOOD EVENING, MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT. FIRST, CONGRATULATIONS ON BEING THE HIGHEST RATED MAYOR-COUNCIL FORM OF GOVERNMENT AS NOTED IN AN EARIER PRESENTATION. I REPRESENT INDIVISIBLE ALBUQUERQUE. I SUPPORT THE HOUSING FORWARD INITIATIVE. MANY OOPPONENTS ARE AFRAID THE CHARACTER OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD CHANGE. I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT SOMETHING. NEIGHBORHOODS ARE ABOUT PEOPLE. PEOPLE, THEY'RE NOT ABOUT PHYSICAL APPEARANCE. IT'S ABOUT THE PEOPLE. I BELIEVE -- WHAT PEOPLE ARE WE AFRAID OF? THINK DEEPLY ABOUT THAT. I BELIEVE THE CHANGES FROM THIS ORDINANCE WILL BE SMALL. MANY PROPERTY OWNERS DON'T HAVE $200,000 TO PUT PROPERTIES. BUT THINK ABOUT THE NEW NEIGHBORS YOU GET, THE NEW PEOPLE YOU GET TO GROW INTO RICH CULTURAL EXPERIENCES. PLEASE VOTE TO SUPPORT THE ZONING CHANGE. YOUR BACKYARD WILL BE ALL THE BETTER FOR IT. THANK YOU. >> SANTOS FOLLOWED BY IAN. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, I LIKE TO COMMEND YOU ON YOUR WORK. IT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO JUST CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE BUT ACROSS THE NATION. IN TWO MINUTES I WANTED TO SHARE MY EXPERIENCES. I WILL CONDUCT MY TIME WITH DALLAS -- CONVERTED INTO DUMREEX. TO DEAL WITH AM IN THOSE STRUCTURES WERE DEEMED NON-CONFORMLINGING MY NEIGHBORHOOD WE LIVED IN ONE OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THEY WERE CONVERTED INTO DUPLEXES. 12 YEARS THEY CREATED -- FOR NEIGHBORHOODS TO TRY TO STABILIZE AND CREATED NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION OVERLAY TRYING TO REGULATE SERVANTS QUARTERS IN ADDITION TO SETBACKS AND HIKES. AFTER THE FIRST THREE OR FOUR WERE ADOPTED BY COUNCIL NONE WERE EVER BROUGHT BACK BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY DESTROYED NEIGHBORHOODS. NEIGHBORS WOULDN'T TALK TO EACH OTHER. IT GOT INTO AN ARGUMENT OF PROPERTY RIGHTS WHERE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS WERE TELLING THEM WHAT THEY COULD HAVE AND SHOULDN'T HAVE. I ENCOURAGE THIS COUNCIL NOT TO MAKE THAT MISTAKE THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS DID. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> IAN FOLLOWED BY DEBBIE. >> I AM THE VICE-PRESIDENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ALBUQUERQUE'S FACING A HOUSING CRISIS AND RECENT REPORTS HIGHLIGHTED A SHORTAGE OF HOUSING UNITS ESTIMATED 30,000 UNITS. EACH UNIT IS NOT JUST A STATISTIC. IT'S A FAMILY STRUGGLING TO FIND HOUSING. WHEN SANTA FE PASSED THE SIMILAR ORDINANCE THE RESULT WAS ONLY 30ADU PER YEAR. CRITICS SAY THIS FALLS SHORT OF SOLVING THE CRISIS. TO ME THAT'S 30 FAMILIES ABLE TO FIND A HOME THAT YEAR. THESE AREN'T STATISTICS, THESE ARE PEOPLE. AS ONE OF THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS MENTIONED. UNFORTUNATELY TONIGHT WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF THE SAME SUGGESTIONS THAT LANDED US IN THE HOUSING CRISIS IN THE FIRST PLACE. IT'S CLEAR THAT A MORE COMPLICATED APPROVAL PROCESS IS NOT GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM BECAUSE IF IT WOULD IT WOULD HAVE SOLVED IT BY NOW. I URGE TO HAVE LEADERSHIP AND ADDRESS THIS TODAY NOT TOMORROW. BECAUSE THE HOUSING CRISIS DEMANDS ATTENTION RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. >> DEBBIE FOLLOWED BY ANDRES. >> I'M REPRESENTING THE SIERRA CLUB CENTRAL COMMITTEE. I KNOW CAMILLA SPOKE. WE BOELTH AGREED TO SPEAK. WE'RE IN FAVOR OF THIS PROPOSAL. ONE ASPECT THAT HASN'T BEEN RAISED IS THAT THIS PROPOSAL CAN HELP ALLEVIATE URBAN SPALL -- SPRAWL ISSUES. WHICH LEADS MORE ROADS AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND YOU END UP WITH THE SAME PROBLEMS THAT HOUSTON, AUSTIN, AND AT LAPTA HAVE FACED WITH POPULATION CENTERS BEING PUSHED FARTHER AND FARTHER AWAY FROM CENTER AND. ON A PERSONAL NOTE, AS A SINGLE MOM WHEN I WAS DIVORCED THE ONLY THING THAT ALLOWED ME AND MY CHILDREN TO STAY IN OUR HOMES WAS WE ACTUALLY HAD A GARAGE APARTMENT AND I WAS ABLE TO RENT THAT SUCCESSFULLY. AND USE THAT MONEY NOT ONLY TO STAY IN THE HOME BUT ALSO FUND MY CHILDREN'S COLLEGE EDUCATION. >> ANDRES FOLLOWED BY JIM. >> JIM FOLLOWED BY TADDIUS. TAD FOLLOWED BY MARCIE. >> ANYWAY, WHAT IS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? OH, NO, THEY DON'T NEED IT. CITY COUNCIL DON'T NEED IT. BECAUSE CITY COUNCIL HAS ALSO POWER TO ADOPT ANY ORDINANCE AND SO ON. YES, THAT'S TRUE. THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. THEY TARGET ALL THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD. OLDER HOUSES, FOR EXAMPLE, 96 YEARS OLD HOUSE. THEY DIDN'T WANT IT. ANYWAY, MY TIME IS RUNNING OUT. IF YOU WANT HOMELESS -- ALLOW ANOTHER HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY. MAYBE YOU KEEP IT FAMILY TOGETHER. AND YOU WANT TO KEEP IT HOMELESS PEOPLE HOUSING FOR THEM, BUILD AND START A HOUSE ON CENTRAL ON. AND STAY AWAY FROM NEIGHBORHOODS OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS AND OLDER PEOPLE TOO. THANK YOU. >> MARCIE FOLLOWED BY CATHERINE. CATHERINE FOLLOWED BY SARAH. >> HELLO, I LIVE IN DISTRICT TWO. I RESPECT THE HOMEOWNERS WHO EXPRESSED CONCERNS TONIGHT. I HOPE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WILL WEIGH THAT AGAINST THE REALITY. THERE'S A LACK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND A LACK OF CHOICE. I HOPE THE COUNCIL WILL CONSIDER WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF WE DON'T INCREASE THE NUMBER OF UNITS TO MATCH THE DEMAND. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ADULTS LIVING IN HOMES MEANT FOR ONE TO TWO PEOPLE. FOUR OR FIVE PEOPLE IN A SINGLE HOME. THAT'S THE SAME PROBLEMS WITH TRAFFIC AND THE SAME PROBLEMS WITH PARKING AND SAME PROBLEMS WITH TRASH. WHAT YOU WON'T HAVE IS DIGNIFIED HOUSING FOR RENTERS. WE NEED MORE HOUSING BECAUSE PEOPLE NEED SOMEWHERE TO GO. THEY'RE HERE. WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GO IF THEY DON'T HAVE HOUSING. THANK YOU. >> SARAH FOLLOWED BY ANDREA. >> I JUST HAVE TO REPEAT THAT MY EXPERIENCE IN DENVER GOING UP THERE LAST YEAR FOR THE LAST YEAR IS THE SAME ZONING RESULTED IN GREATLY FOR THE R1 NEIGHBORHOODS. RESULTED IN TEAR DOWNS OF BEAUTIFUL HOMES BUILT IN THE 30s, 40s, AND RESULTED IN EXPENSIVE -- CAN YOU PUT THIS UP? OKAY. PICTURE THIS THREE STORIES AND MUCH LARGER ON THE LOT. MODERN ARCHITECTURE THAT COSTS A LOT MORE. TWO AND THREE TIMES MORE OF THE HOUSES THAT ARE TORE DOWN. IT'S NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THEY DOUBLE THE HOUSES THAT ARE NOT FOU AFFORDABLE. I ASK FOR GUARDRAILS. AND I'M NOT AGAINST CASITAS OR DOUBLES. BUT LET'S HAVE -- >>COUN. DAVIS: GO AHEAD. >> AND BUILDING AND CONDITIONAL USE. ANYTHING, JUST TO MAKE THIS WORK. IT DIDN'T WORK IN DENVER. ONE TIME A HIGHLY REGARDED ACTIVIST AND PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRAT RAN FOR MAYOR IN DENVER AND WAS VERY DATA DRIVEN AND EVIDENCE BASED AND ONE OF HOAR PLATFORMS WAS TO ALLOW THIS DISASTROUS ZONING CHANGES TO HAPPEN WHICH ARE NOW DESTROYING DENVER'S NEIGHBORHOOD. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. >> ANDREA FOLLOWED BY MAYA. >> GOOD EVENING, AGAIN, COUNCIL. IT SEEMS LIKE ALL THAT'S IN THE ROOM WE'RE IN AGREEMENT THAT WE'RE IN A HOUSS CRISIS. SO, WHERE CASITAS CAN CHIS SO FAMILY MEMBERS CAN AGE AND COUNCILOR JONES, I'M A RENTER ON PALO VERDE, IN A STRIP OF TRIPLEXES THAT ALLOWS FOR COUPLES AND SMALL FAMIIES TO LIVE ALONGSIDE HOMEOWNERS. I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE AN ADULT IN THAT LIFE OF A FRIEND'S DAUGHTER. I STRUGGLE TO FIND IT BECAUSE IT'S DURING THE PANDEMIC. I'M THANKFUL THAT I DID IT. IT ALLOWED ME TO LIVE A GOOD QUALITY OF LIFE NEAR NATURE. UNLIKE -- I HAVE A FRIEND NOT AS FORTUNATE. HER NAME WAS ALLEY AND HAD AN APARTMENT TO LIVE WITH HER ABUSIVE BOYFRIEND. I WANT YOU TO CONSIDER THE STORIES OF US WHO MADE AND WHO DIDN'T. AND YOU'RE MAKING HUGE DECISION FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE VULNERABLE AND EVERY DAY FACING ABUSE. THANK YOU. >> MAYA KING FOLLOWED BY DENNIS. >> THANK YOU COUNCILOR DAVIS, I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF A GROUP CALLED -- WE STAND IN SUPPORT OF THE PROVISION OF O-22-45. CASITAS ARE NOT DESTRUCTIVE TO ALBUQUERQUE'S CHARACTER. I WANTED TO ADDRESS THE ZONING CODE UTILIZED IN AREAS LIKE THE BOSQUE THAT REQUIRES SPECIFIC BUILDING HEIGHT I BELIEVE THIS SHOULD BE APPLIED NEAR THE NATIONAL MONUMENT AREA AS WELL. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> DENNIS FOLLOWED BY JOHN. >> GOOD EVENING, MR. PRESIDENT, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, I'M A HOMEOWNER, FATHER OF ADULT CHILDREN IN THEIR 20s AND 30s. MEMBER OF A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION. I'M FOR THIS BILL. THIS BILL ALLOWS US TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE HOMEOWNER OPPORTUNITIES WHICH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. WHAT IS LOST IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ECONOMIC ECOSYSTEM FOR OTHER BUSINESSES LIKE MINE THAT ARE SMALL TO GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THE WORK OF CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE IN THESE AREAS WHICH HELPS THE ECONOMIC ECOSYSTEMS AND HAS BEEN FORGOTTEN IN MANY CASES. LAST BUT NOT LEAST IT ALLOW FOR THE COMMUNITY TO TAKE CARE OF ITSELF. WE CAN DO SO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> JOHN FOLLOWED BY LINDA. LINDA FOLLOWED BY CAMILLA ON ZOOM. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. COUNCILORS, AFFORDABLE HOUSING MAY BE KEY TO ALBUQUERQUE PEOPLE TO GET OFF THE STREETS. 1300 PEOPLE IN ALBUQUERQUE ARE HOMELESS. OUR RENTS HAVE INCREASED. DYNAMICALLY. WE NEED TO BE LESS GREEDY AND MORE CONCERNED ABOUT COMMUNITIES SHARING HOMES. CASITAS BEHIND HOMES MAY BE A GOOD IDEA. ALL TYPES OF HOUSING CAN BE CONSIDERED, EVEN FORMER PORTABLE CLASSROOMS CAN BE CONVERTED, ESPECIALLY ONES WITH PLUMPING IN THE BATHROOMS ALREADY. A MAJORITY OF ALBUQUERQUE HOUSING IS SINGLE DETACHED HOUSING. MORE DIVORCED HOUSING OPTIONS ARE CRITICALLY NEEDED. I'M STRONGLY IN FAVEN -- FAVOR OF HOUSING FORWARD. >> CAMILLA FOLLOWED BY EVELYN. >> THANK YOU, I ALREADY HAD THE SCHANS TO SPEAK CHANCE TO SPEAK, SO I WON'T REPEAT MYSELF SO OTHERS CAN SPEAK. >> EVELYN FOLLOWED BY PETER. >> GOOD EVENING. THERE ARE SEVERAL INACCURACIES IN THE O-22-54 PROPOSAL WHICH LED TO QUESTIONABLE CONCLUSIONS. THERE ARE NOT 40,000 JOBS COMING TO ALBUQUERQUE. NATIONAL COMMERCIAL RESEARCH COMPANY SAYS IT WOULD BE 3100 NET JOBS. THE MAIN LOCATION NEWSLETTER LISTED 5,238 APARTMENTS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. MORE THAN BEFORE. 36% OF THOSE ARE AFFORDABLE. SINGLE ZONE PROPERTIES IN 2018, TWIN CITIES TRANSIT PLANNERS THAT ANALYZED THE DAA STATED THE CHANGE HASN'T BEEN THAT BIG. IN RECENT STUDY CAME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION. THE REAL BENEFICIARIES OF THE AMENDMENTS ARE INVESTORS THAT CONVERT SINGLE DWELLINGS INTO MULTI-FAMILY AND SHORT-TERM RENTALS. THEY WILL NOT HELP THE HOMELESS THAT NEED SOCIAL SERVICE. IT WILL PIT NEIGHBOR AGAINST NEIGHBOR AND REDUCE THE NUMBER OF HOMES AVAILABLE FOR ASPIRING HOMEOWNERS. PLEASE VOTE NO. >> PETER FOLLOWED BY PEGGY. BEFORE YOU START, PEGGY, WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE WITH THE TIMER. WE'LL TRY TO RECONNECT IT. WE'LL TIME YOU MANUALLY. THANK YOU. >> CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> IT'S PEGGY, THEN YOU. >> I'M SORRY. >> OKAY, GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL PRESIDENT COUNCILORS I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF MYSELF. THE NORTH VALLEY COALITION IS NOT DISCUSSING THE IDO AMENDMENTS. COMMUNITY PLANNING AREAS ASSESSMENTS WERE SUPPOSED TO DISCUSS CONCERNS FROM RESIDENTS REGARDING CHANGES FROM THE IDO. INSTEAD OF MAJOR RELINE THE IDO IS PLANNED BY CHANING USES OF CITY RESIDENTIAL LOTS. MOST PEOPLE ARE UNAWARE OF THIS AND WON'T BE UNTIL IT HAPPENS NEXT DOOR. SUGGESTIONS ALLOW EITHER A DUPLEX OR CASITA, MAKE THEM CONDITIONAL. HAVE SET BACK FROM LOT LINES. DEVELOP DESIGN STANDARDS FOR DUPLEXES. HAVE A STANDARD HEIGHT SUCH AS 12 FEET. WIDEN THE SPICE ALONG TRANSIT CORRIDORS. HAVE INCENTIVES TO ENSURE AFFORDABLE HOUSING SUCH AS DENVER HAS FOR APARTMENT BUILDINGS OVER TEN UNITS. HAVE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT. THERE SEEMS TO BE AREAS FOR COMPROMISE. >> THANK YOU, YOUR TIME IS UP. >> IT IS IS PLEASURE TO DRIVE BY AND INSTEAD OF IT BEING A SORE IN MY EYES. THANK YOU. >> PETER FOLLOWED BY PEGGY. >> PLEASE LOOK AT PARKLAND HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION COMMENTS. MY COMMENTS WERE INCLUDED IN THE LETTER THAT I SENT LAST WEEK. WHILE WE DESPERATELY NEED WELL-PLANNED SOLUTIONS, BUT THIS PROCESS ALLOWING ALL SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING TO BECOME THREE FAMILY IS IN CONFLICT WITH IDO AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS MOST HOUSEHOLDS DESIRE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES. LOOK AT DENVER. PERMITTING HOTEL AND OFFICE CONVERSIONS TO RESIDENTS IS PROHIBITED BY THE IDO AS ALL NON-RESIDENTIAL ZONE PROVIDES RESIDENTS WITH A SEPARATION. IT'S THROWING IT OUT. IF YOU NEED TO DO THOSE, THESE ACTUALLY NEED FULLY INTENSE STUDY BECAUSE THIS IS AS BIG A CHANGE TO THE IDO AS THE ZONING CHANGE IN 2018. ALSO, KITCHEN REQUIREMENT -- DISCUSSING 1500 FOR FULL KITCHEN INSTEAD OF THE MESS IN DENVER. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. WE GOT YOUR EMAIL. APPRECIATE IT. >> PEGGY FOLLOWED BY RUSSEL. RUSSEL FOLLOWED BY SANDRA. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, THANK YOU. I'M A NEIGHBOR IN DISTRICT TWO. ALBUQUERQUE'S HOUSING CRISIS REQUIRES COMPREHENSIVE FORESIGHT, PLANNING AND ACTION BY THIS BODY. MY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION LETTER OF SUPPORT IS IN THE RECORD. TODAY, I REQUEST THAT YOU VOTE FOR O-22-54. I SUPPORT PROVIING MORE HOUSING WITH MARKET RATE AND AFFORDABLE. I SUPPORT PROTECTING EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS WITH SENSITIVE RULES AND TECHNICAL STANDARDS. I SUPPORT GIVING HOMEOWNERS MORE FREEDOM AND OPTIONS LIKE ADU TO HOUSE EXTENDED FAMILY OR RENTAL INCOME. I SUPPORT THE CITY COUNCIL'S AUTHORITY AND ABILITY TO ADJUST AND ADAPT OUR LAND USE REGULATIONS BASED ON FACTS, ANALYSIS, UNDERSTANDING, AND COMPASSION. THE REAL ESTATE BROKERAGE FORM REPORTS INVESTOR HOME PURCHASES FELL 48% IN THE FIRST QUARTER DUE TO INTEREST RATES AND DECLINING RENTS AND VALUES. THE SAME FACTORS PROMPTED INVESTORS TO PURCHASE MORE AFFORDABLE PROPERTIES. CLIMBING TO A TWO-YEAR HIGH WITH INVESTORS BEING STARTER HOME. SPRAWLING GROWTH AND PUSHING FAMILIES INTO THE DESERT AWAY FROM INFRASTRUCTURE AND ESSENTIAL SERVICES AND SCHOOLS AND JOBS IS EXPENSIVE FOR EVERYONE. PLEASE SUPPORT O-22-54. >> SANDRA FOLLOWED BY TODD. >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. AND I THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, FOR ALL THE WORK YOU DO AND THE LATE NIGHTS YOU SPEND IN LISTENING TO ALL OF US. I'M REPRESENTING MY COMPANY, CURRENCY ENERGY SYSTEMS WHICH IS A SMALL, LOCAL BUSINESS. I'M ALSO REPRESENTING THE SUSTAINABLE EQUITABLE ECONOMIC DEMOCRACY OF NEW MEXICO. WHICH CONNECTS NEW MEXICO SMALL BUSINESSES TO POLICY INITIATIVES OF IMPORTANCE TO THOSE SMALL BUSINESSES. THIRDLY, I AM PART OF AN INFORMAL ORGANIZATION NAMED THE HELPSTERES OF NEW MEXICO AND BEYOND. THIS IS FORMED OF INDIVIDUALS AND COMPANIES HOPING TO BUILD WITH SUSTAINABLE MATERIALS IN THE STATE. WEARING ALL THREE HATS I WOULD LIKE TO YOU TO STRONGLY SUPPORT O-22-54. THANK YOU. >> CLARK FOLLOWED BY CHERYL. >> FOR SOME REASON I CAN'T TURN ON MY VIDEO. MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF ALLOWING CASITAS. I LIVE AND WORK IN DISTRICT TWO. ALBUQUERQUE IS IN THE MIDST OF HOUSING SHORTAGE. THE GOOD NEWS IS THE MARKET HAS BEEN DELIVERING 4,801 NEW RENTAL UNITS. THE BAD NEWS IS WE NEED ANOTHER 13,000 TO MATCH ALL THE NEW AMAZON NETFLIX AND INTEL JOBS MANY ANNOUNCED BUT HAVE FOUGHT STARTNED EMPLOYMENT. ONE OF THE FASTEST WAYS TO GET THEM DEVELOPED BY BUILDING ADDITIONAL UNIT. BY DOING SEE SEW WE ENCOURAGE WE ADD THE VALUES TO HOMES. AND APARTMENT LANDS SELL FOR 25,000 PER UNIT. WE CREATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BY LOCAL LANDLORDS. AND ALLOW FAMILIES TO CREATE MULTIGENERATIONAL COMMUNITIES WHERE THE KIDS AND GRANDPARENTS CAN LIVE IN THE SAME SETTING. INCREASE PROPERTY TAX REVENUE FOR NO ADDITIONAL COST. WE CREATE MORE DIVERSE AND INTERESTING NEIGHBORHOODS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. >> CHERYL FOLLOWED BY TIM. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILORS. I HOPE YOU CAN HEAR ME. MY NAME IS CHERYL AND I LIVE IN DISTRICT SEVEN. I HOPE YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO READ MY EMAIL THIS AFTERNOON. I WOULD LIKE TO STATE BRIEFLY THAT ALTHOUGH THERE HAS BEEN GOOD STATEMENTS IN SUPPORT OF AND OPPOSED TO O-22-54, I AM IN OPPOSITION. I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE A SEVERE HOUSING SHORTAGE, BUT I DO NOT AGREE THAT REPURPOSING MY NEIGHBORHOOD OR OTHER SMALL LOTS, SINGLE FAMILY HOME NEIGHBORHOODS AS A BROAD SWEEP IS THE SOLUTION. -- PROPERTY TURNOVER IS PROCESS IS NOT A RECIPE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THERE ARE OTHER MOTIVES BEHIND THIS ZONING CHANGE THAN JUST INFILL TO ENCOURAGE THE USE OF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. THIS SHOULD BE ON THE BALLOT. THANK YOU. >> TIM FOLLOWED BY LANA. YOU'RE MUTED, SIR. >> THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I'VE BEEN A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PROFESSIONAL FOR MOST OF MY CAREER. I'M IN REAL ESTATE FOU. I'M ALSO ON THE CITY BOARD SMALL ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AND I'M ON THE BOARD OF COMMUNITY COALITION. IT'S BEEN SAID VERY WELL BY MANY PEOPLE. I AGREE WITH CLARK AND THE MANY PEOPLE BEFORE HE THAT THIS IS A POSITIVE THING FOR ALBUQUERQUE. WE NEED DENSITY AND HOUSING. THIS IS A GREAT WAY TO GET THERE. THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING THIS. PLEASE CONSIDER SUPPORTING THIS. THANK YOU. >>-- FOLLOWED BY ERIC. >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ALL OF US TONIGHT. WE REALLY APPRECIATE LTD. WORK THAT'S GONE INTO THIS OVER THE LAST EIGHT TO NINE MONTHS. I WANT TO SHOW MY FIRM SUPPORT ON THIS INITIATIVE. AND I WANT TO MAKE A SPECIFIC COMMENT AGAINST THE AMENDMENT THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR CONDITIONAL USE. THOSE TYPES OF AMENDMENTS AND MAKING CASITAS CONDITION WILL MAKE THEM INACCESSIBLE TO INDIVIDUALS WHO WILL NOT HAVE THE THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IS TOING THROUGH TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS NOR THE ABILITY TO FIGHT OPPOSITIONAL NEIGHBORS. CREAING CLEAR AND DISTINCT BY RIGHT USE FOR THESE TYPES OF HOUSING WILL ALLOW THEM TO BE ACCESSIBLE TO MORE INDIVIDUALS AND BETTER ACHIEVE THE GOAL OF HOUSING FORWARD INITIATIVE. PLEASE VOTE NO ON THOSE AMENDMENTS AND VOTE YES ON THIS INITIATIVE. AGAIN, THAT YOU KNOWING FOR YOUR TIME >> ERIC FOLLOWED BY LANA. >> MR. PRESIDENT, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE FAIR WEST NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. I WAS AUTHORIZED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE AT OUR ANNUAL MEET TO EXPRESS SUPPORT FOR O-22-54. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH INCLUDES THE STRETCH ALONG CENTRAL HAS PLENTY OF EXPERIENCE WITH HOMELESSNESS ISSUES. AND WE BELIEVE THAT THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE WILL SUBSTANTIALLY FURTHER THE GOAL OF CREAING HOUSING, BUT PLEASE KNOW WE'RE STILL VERY CONCERNED THAT IT HAS TO BE SUPPLEMENTED BY STRONG MEASURES BY THIS COUNCIL TO PROMOTE AFFORDABLE HOUSING CREATION. I'M A LEGAL AID ATTORNEY THAT REPRESENTS LOW ICOME PEOPLE ACROSS THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO. SOMETIMES THAT UNFORTUNATELY IS NOT A POSSIBLE BASED UPON CIRCUMSTANCES. WHEN IT HITS THAT POINT, I CAN TELL YOU THAT MY CLIENTS ARE TERRIFIED THAT THEY KNOW IT'S NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND SOME PLACE TO GO. REPRESENT HAS SKY ROCKETED. THESE ARE NOT PEOPLE THAT CAN BE WRITTEN OFF AS ADDICTS, THEY ACHIEVED THE AMERICAN DREAM AND SAW IT DASHED BY CIRCUMSTANCES LIKE COVID AND ENDED UP LIVING ON THE STREETS OR OUT OF THE CARS. I ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL TO PASS THIS AND CONTINUE TO CREATE OPPORTUNITIES TO SUPPLEMENT WHAT CAN BE ACHIEVED TODAY. THANK YOU. >> LANA FOLLOWED BY AMBER. >> GOOD EVENING, AGAIN. THANK YOU. AND I KNOW YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD LOT OF COMPELLING REASONS WHY WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING NOW. AND THE HOME BUILDER'S ASSOCIATION ACT THAT YOU VOTE FOR IT TONIGHT WITH NO ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS. RIGHT NOW WE FEEL WE HAVE TO USE ALL THE HOUSING OPTIONS WE HAVE IN ADU AND DUPLEXES GIVE USMORE OPTIONS. I'M GOING TO RECUSE FROM SPEAKING SO SOMEBODY ELSE CAN USE THAT TIME TONIGHT. THANK YOU. >> AMBER FOLLOWED BY TERRY. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILORS. I AM THE NATIVE NUMEN AND REALTOR OVER A DECADE. IT IS UNCLEAR IF THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE IDO REGARD ING AIR B&B ARE WRAPPED IN THE INITIATIVE. I WANT TO NOTE THAT WE'RE AGAINST ANY LIMITATIONS ON RUNNING AIR B&B. THE NOTION OF LIMITING AIR B&B IS LUDICROUS NOTION. PEOPLE SHOULD RUN THEIR BUSINESSES AS THEY CHOOSE. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I SUPPORT THE HOUSING FORWARD INITIATIVE. ALBUQUERQUE IS IN DESPERATE NEED OF ADDITIONAL HOUSING. MANY HOUSING GROUPS HAVE THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT OVERNIGHT ALBUQUERQUE WILL SUDDENLY BECOME A METROPOLITAN OF SKYSCRAPERS BLOCK OUT THE SUN. THIS IS A SCARE TACTIC. NUMEROUS OTHER CITIES THROUGHOUT THE U.S. HAVE BENEFITTED GREATLY FROM ALLOWING SECONDARY DWELLINGS. LOT OF PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE EVALUATION OF PROPERTY WHICH IS NOT THE CASE. HOMEOWNERS ABLE TO ADD A CASITA TO THE PROPERTY WOULD HAVE THE VALUE INCREASE. IT HELPS FIGHT GENTRIFICATION BY ALLOWING PEOPLE TO RENT OUT AND BE GETTING INCOME OR KEEP GENERATIONAL MEMBERS OF FAMILY. >> TERRY FOLLOWED BY WILT. >> THANK YOU COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS. I URGE YOU TO VOTE YES FOR THE HOUSING FORWARD PROVISION AND WITHOUT ANY AMENDMENTS. I AGREE WITH SO MANY OF THE PRIOR SPEAKERS WHO SPOKE IN FAVOR OF THIS. I HAVE TO SAY I STAND WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN HOMELESS WHO WORK WITH UNHOUSED PEOPLE. THEY ARE THE FOLKS I FOLLOW. AND SUPPORT IN THIS. THEY HAVE SEEN WHAT HAPPENS TO DIGNITY, TO QUALITY OF LIFE AND THEY NEED THE HOUSING. THERE'S NO WAY THAT THIS IS GOING TO SUPPORT ENOUGH AFFORDABLE HOUSING PERIOD. I LIKE SEE THAT ALBUQUERQUE IS PIVOTING TO PAY ATTENTION TO HOUSING AND MAYBE THERE WILL BE SERIOUS MONEY ALLOCATED TO PUBLIC HOUSING, TO PUBLICLY OWNED AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR LOW INCOME PEOPLE. THIS IS A FIRST STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. THANK YOU. >> WOLF. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILORS. I'M WITH THE NEW MEXICO CENTER OF LAW INPOVERTY. WE SUPPORT THIS ORDINANCE. THE ALBUQUERQUE COMMUNITY SIN CRISIS. AFFORDABLE HOUSING HAS CLIMBED 50%. AND THE NUMBER OF UNHOUSED PEOPLE HAS DOUBLED. ALBUQUERQUE PUBLIC SCHOOLS ESTIMATES THERE ARE 3,000 HOMELESS KIDS. ALBUQUERQUE NEEDS 189,000 ABRNG THIS ORDINANCE IS A MODEST START. YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW WITH SO MUCH MORE WORK. IT'S TIME TO MAKE IT TO THE 18,000 AFFORDABLE UNITS AND HELPS PEOPLE IN NEED. WE THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING THIS ORDINANCE. >>COUN. DAVIS: LET ME GIVE US A QUICK PAUSE. I REGRET IT HAS TO BE DONE. LET ME MAKE A MOTION TO EXTEND THE MEETING FOR ONE HOUR UNTIL 11:30 P.M. IF THERE'S A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FIVE R RAISE YOU'RE HAND. THAT'S 8-1. EVEN COUNCILOR LEWIS. AS A REMINDER IF WE DON'T FINISH THIS TONIGHT IT GETS CONTINUED TO THE NEXT MEETING. I THINK WE HAVE ANOTHER 20 COMMENTERS AND 11 AMENDMENTS AND DISCUSSION AND A WHOLE OTHER BILL. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. >> MEREDITH FOLLOWED BY ANN. >> I URGE YOU TO VOTE AGAINST O-22-54. IT IS UNFAIR BECAUSE THE IMPACT WILL BE GRADER IN SOME PARTS OF THE CITY. JT JANUARY 19th DECISION OF THE EPC ACKNOWLEDGES THERE'S SOME NEIGHBORHOODS FOR DEMAND OF RENTAL UNITS WILL BRING HIGH CONCENTRATION OF THE TRIPING OF R1 ZONING. THE EPC REALIZES THIS WILL BE SUMPLY UNWORKABLE. NO MODIFICATIONS OF THE ORDINANCE HAS BEEN MADE. NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THIS IS LIKELY TO HAPPEN ARE PRIVATELY OWNED HOMES AND VALUED SOCIAL COMMUNITIES, NOT VACANT LAND OWNED BY CITY GOVERNMENT. SINCE MY NEIGHBORHOOD PARK IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM UNM WE CAN EXPECT AN INFLUX OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS TO STUDENTS. WHEN LOUD LATE NIGHT PARTIES MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO SLEET AT NIGHT THOSE WHO HAVE TO WORK ARE FORCED TO MOVE. ANOTHER DECLINE IN THE QUALITY OF IS IN TERMS OF PERSONAL SAFETY. IT IS ANTTHETICAL TO THE CONCEPT OF NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN IT BECOMES IMPOSSIBLE TO DETERMINE WHETHER A PERSON IS A NEW TENANT OR BURGLAR. ALLOWING SO-CALLED OFF-STREET PARKING TO BE ON THE STREET WILL MAKE COLLECTION OF TRASH MUCH MORE DIFFICULT AND IN SOME CASES HOMES ARE LIKELY TO BE UNREACH ABLE BY FIRE ENGINES AND OTHER EMERGENCY VEHICLES. THERE'S MUCH MORE SECURE TO PARK ON THE STREET AND WALK TO AN APARTMENT AT NIGHT THAN HAVE LEGITIMATE OFF STREET PARKING. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> GOOD EVENING, PRESIDENT DAVIS, COUNCIL MEMBERS. I AM HERE TO ASK YOU TO PASS THE HOUSING FORWARD ORDINANCE. THE ORDINANCE FOCUSES ON A WAY TO INCREASE HOUSING IN THE COMMUNITY WHILE MAINTAINING THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS. THIS IMPACTS LOW INCOME AND COMMUNITIES OF COLOR. PLEASE PASS IT TONIGHT. THANK YOU. >> FOLLOWED BY ANITA. >> COUNCIL MEMBERS, I LIVE IN DISTRICT FIVE. AND I AM A MEMBER OF THE SUSTAINABLE EQUITABLE ECONOMIC DEMOCRACY AND ALSO ALLIANCE FOR LOCAL ECONOMIC PROSPERITY. I AM SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF O-22-54. WE NEED MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THAT'S BEEN REPEATED CONSISTENTLY HERE TONIGHT. THE RESEARCH TELLS US THAT HOUSING CONTRIBUTES UP TO 50% OF STABILITY IN PEOPLE'S LIVES, IF THEY HAVE STABLE, STAFF HOUSING. WHAT THIS TRANSLATES TO IS PEOPLE HAVING MORE STABLE JOBS, HIGHER ACHIEVING CHILDREN WITH BETTER AND MORE CONSISTENT ATTENDANCE IN SCHOOL, STABILITY BRINGS STABILITY IN MORE. I ASK YOU TO PLEASE VOTE YES ON THIS ORDINANCE. IT'S A MORAL ISSUE. WE NEED YOUR COMMUNITY LEADERSHIP SUPPORT. THANK YOU. >> ANITA FOLLOWED BY TIMOTHY. >> GOOD EVENING, I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF ALBUQUERQUE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COALITION. I URGE YOU TO SUPPORT O-22-54. DOING SO WILL CREATE A CITY WHERE EVERYONE WHATEVER OUR BACKGROUND COLOR OR ZIP CODE HAS ACCESS TO MORE AND GREATER HOUSING AN AS A COMPOEBT OPPONENT AND HOUSING IS THE BASIC NEED IT IS. WE MUST REVIST THE URGE TO SUSTAIN ZONING LAWS OUTDATED PERFORMED BY RACIST AND EXCLUSIONARY HOUSING POLICY. NOW IS THE TIME TO ENSURE EVERYONE HAS A SAFE AND QUALITY PLACE TO LIVE. THAT THOSE PLACES TO LIVE REPRESENT MULTIPLE TYPES OF HOUSING FOR ALL PEOPLE IN THE CITY. WE OUTREACH TO NATIVE COMMUNITY AND COMMUNITIES OF COLOR SO ALL PEOPLE TRULY BENEFIT. WE MUST COME TOGETHER TO REWRITE THE RULES, UPDATE ZONING AND BUILD HOUSING OPTIONS SO PEOPLE CAN AFFORD SO ALL FAMILIES CAN THRIVE. THANK YOU. >> TIMOTHY FOLLOWED BY SHANOA. >> AS OTHERS HAVE SAID, ALBUQUERQUE IS FACING A HOUSING CRISIS. ACCORDING TO HARVARD, HOUSING OF RENTAL AND SINGLE FAMILY HOME MARKETS HAVE SKY ROCKETED. THIS IS NO LONGER A CITY PROBLEM. NATIONALLY THE 2021 YEAR OVER YEAR CHANGE IN RENT IS 16 POIALITY IN MANY CITIES THE SAME YEAR OVER YEAR CHANGE. IN ALBUQUERQUE, IT WAS 19.2. ONE MIGHT ARGUE WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING BECAUSE THE NATION AND EXPERIENING THE SAME THING. THIS HOWEVER MISSES THE BIGGER PICTURE RELATED TO COMPETITION TO LABOR AND EMPLOYERS. AND DOING WHAT'S RIGHTS FOR FELLOW CITIZENS IN ALBUQUERQUE. IF WE FAIL TO ACT AND THIS CONTINUES TO RISE WE LOSE ONE LOCAL ADVANTAGE WHICH IS HOUSING AFFORDABILITY. >> SHANOA FOLLOWED BY NETTA. >> HELLO, I THINK MY VIDEO IS DISABLED. BUT I'LL GO AHEAD AND SPEAK. GOOD EVENING, HONORABLE IS THE PRESIDENT, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, I SPEAK IN FULL SUPPORT OF ALL ASPECTS OF THE HOUSING FORWARD ORDINANCE. LET'S WORK IN UNISON WITH AND FOR OUR COMMUNITIES. BRING OUR TEACHERS AND VETERANS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS HOUSING EMPOWERMENT AND HOUSING AS A HUMAN RIGHT. VOTING YES WILL SUPPORT THE NEED FOR MORE HOUSING OF ALL TYPES TO ADDRESS THE GIANT DISPARITIES BETWEEN THE NATIVE-AMERICAN POPULATION AND WHITE POPULATION WHEN IT COMES TO UNSHELTERED HOUSING COST BURDEN AND LOW HOMEOWNERSHIP RATE. THE MOST CLEAR, SIMPLE MESSAGE THAT ALLOWS FOR MORE HOUSING OF ALL TYPES. TO DO NOTHING WILL EXASPERATE RACIAL INEQUITIES. I KNOW I WORK WITH FAMILIES, COLLEGE STUDENTS, UNSHELTERED INDIVIDUALS, HOMELESS VETERANS AT THE FIRST NATION'S CLINIC. THIS WILL HELP OUR APS TEACHERS LIVE IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO EDUCATE CHILDREN. THE NEW YORK TIMES AND JUNE 14, 2022 SPOKE ABOUT AN INCREDIBLE SUCCESS STORY IN HOUSTON, THE NATION'S FORTH MOST POPULOUS CITY MOVED 25,000 PEOPLE INTO APARTMENTS AND HOUSES. THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY HAVE REMAINED HOUSED AFTER TWO YEARS. THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE -- >> THANK YOU. >> HAS BEEN CUT BY 63% SINCE 2011. ACCORDING TO THE LATEST. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> HUSTEN DID . >>COUN. DAVIS: NEXT. >> NETTA FOLLOWED BY ROSEMARY. >> HI, CAN YOU HEAR ME? I AM HERE IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROPOSAL FOR HOUSING FORWARD. AND I REALLY RESPECT EVERYONE THAT HAS SPOKEN. I HONOR THE CITY COUNCIL. I CAN SEE THAT YOU HAVE LOT OF RESPECT AND THIS IS A VERY RESPECTFUL MEETING. WITH A LOT OF INPUT. I APPRECIATE THAT AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE CITIZENS WHO HAVE SPOKEN. AND I WAS GOING TO SAY SOMETHING DIFFERENT BUT HAVING HEARD OTHER PEOPLE I WANT TO POINT OUT THIS IS A TIME FOR CHANGE. THIS IS A HOUSING CRISIS IN ALBUQUERQUE. IT'S A GLOBAL HOUING CRISIS. WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT TOO MUCH PARTY, THE PROBLEM IS CLIMATE CHANGE. THE CARS ARE IT THE PROBLEM. WHEN I FIRST SIGNED MY FIRST HOME, I RED THE COVENANT I IT SAID NO JEWS OR BLACKS ALLOWED. SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO CHANGE. I HAPPEN TO BE JEWISH. THE REAL ESTATE AGENT SAID DON'T WORRY. BUT IT WAS STILL IN THE COVENANT. THIS IS A TIME FOR CHANGE. I URGE YOU, EVEN IF YOU ORDINARILY WOULD BE AGAINST THIS, THINS OF THIS AS A MOMENT THAT CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IT WON'T SOLVE EVERYTHING BUT IT WILL HELP. WE NEED TO MAKE EVERY EFFORT WE CAN TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. >> ROSEMARY FOLLOWED BY MARYJANE. >> MR. PRESIDENT, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, I SPOKE IN GENERAL COMMENT. I LIVE IN DISTRICT TWO IN THE NEAR NORTH VALLEY NEIGHBORHOOD AND AM A MEMBER OF THE ASSOCIATION. THE NEAR NORTH VALLEY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION SUPPORTS ALLOWING REZONING UNITS IN OUR ZONING. EVERYONE DESERVES ACCESS TO SAFE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND HOUSING FORWARD ORDINANCE IS A STEP IN THAT DIRECTION. O-22-54 PROPOSES ZONING CHANGES THAT ALLOWS ALBUQUERQUE THE FLEXIBILITY NEEDED TO ADDRESS THE CITY'S HOUSING DEMAND. WE ARE CITY IN WHICH HALF THE RENTERS STRUGGLE TO AFFORD HOMES. IN WHICH THE NUMBER OF UNHOUSED PERSONS DOUBLED. WE NEED TO CREATE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AS I NOTED IN EARIER TESTIMONY, THE HOUSING FORWARD CHOICES IN THIS HELP INCREASE HOUSING AVAILABLE TO THOSE AT RISK AND SUPPORT THE EXTENDED FAMILY NETWORKS PART OF THE TRADITION. I MYSELF HOPE TO BE ABLE TO BENEFIT FROM THE PROPOSED CHANGES. I HOPE YOU WILL ADOPT THEM WITHOUT RESTRICTIVE AMENDMENT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> MARY JANE. >> GOOD EVENING, I WAS BORN AND RAISED AND STILL LIVE IN ALBUQUERQUE. I'VE SEEN IT GROW OVER MY 76 YIERZ OF LIFE. I AM NOT OPPOSED TO MANY IDEAS SET FORTH IN O-22-54, YET I AM OPPOSE TODAY THE CITY COUNCIL PASS IT TODAY. WHY? JUST A FEW OF MY CONCERNS. I WILL HIGHLIGHT THEM. IT IS NOT FULLY FLESHED OUT. IT IS VERY VULNERABLE TO A LARGE NUMBER OF IN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES AND COSTS. VOTERS STAKEHOLDERS TAXPAYERS PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE NOT BEEN NOTIFIED OF HOW THIS WILL AFFECT THE PROPERTIES THEY MIGHT OWN. I ONLY LEARNED OF THIS REZONING PROPOSAL ON APRIL 14th. BY THE WAY, I'M NOT REPRESEN ING ANYONE OTHER THAN MYSELF. I FIND THE PERMISSIVE REZONING IS PUNITIVE TO LANDOWNERS IN THAT IT OVERRIDES THE PROTECTION OF RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS. THANK YOU. I THINK IT NEEDS TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD. IT'S WRITTEN LIKE A RED, FIRE, AIM DOCUMENT TO ME. THANK YOU. >> JOSEFINE. FOLLOWED BY PETER. >> HELLO, I'M HERE THIS EVENING TO SHOW MY SUPPORT OF ORDINANCE O-22-54. I SUPPORT THE CONVERSION OF MOTELS, HOTELS AND OFFICE BUILDINGS TO LONG-TERM HOUSING UNITS. IN SUPPORT OF ALLOWING TWO-UNIT HOMES ON OUR ONE LOT. AND I'M IN SUPPORT OF ENCOURAGING ACCESS DWELLINGS. LET'S SLOW THE SPRAWL AND ALLOW THOSE THAT WANT TO SHARE THE SPACE TO DO SO. I ASK YOU TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS ORDINANCE. >> PETER FOLLOWED BY BUTAN. FOLLOWED BY XAVIER. >> GOOD EVENING. I AM AN ARCHITECT BY PROFESSION. I HAVE SUPPORT OF THE HOUSING FORWARD MOTION. AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE TEAM, EVERYBODY, TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THAT. I HAVE A QUICK STORY. I HAD MY PARENTS COME HERE LAST YEAR. I LIVE IN A WONDERFUL NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I LIVE LIVING THERE. AND WE WERE A FAMILY OF FIVE PEOPLE IN MY HOUSE. MY PARENTS WERE VISITING FROM INDIA. AND I WAS TRYING TO HAVE GREEN CARD PROCESS FOR THEM. BUT I WAS TRYING TO DO FINDING HOUSING, BUT I COULD NOT FIND HOUSING. I LOOKED AT OPTION OF PUTTING A CASITA IN BARELAS. AND EVENTUALLY I HAD TO SEND MY PARENTS BACK. I CONSIDER THIS IS A GOOD MOVE FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE SO THE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO SEND THEIR LOVED ONE BACK. THANK YOU. >> XAVIER FOLLOWED BY MICHAEL. >> MR. PRESIDENT, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, I AM THE CO-CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE ON ENVIRONMENT OF THE AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF ARCHITECTS OF NEW MEXICO. I AM SPEAKING HERE AS A 20-YEARS RESIDENT OF ALBUQUERQUE. I AGREE WITH MOST OF THE COMMENTS IN TONIGHT IN FAVOR TO THE BILL. I ALSO LIKE TO EMPHASIZE TWO POINTS. BY INTRODUING DUPLEX AND CASITA WE CAN OFFER MORE DIVERSE RENTAL OPTIONS TO LOWER COST THAN A SINGLE HOME. ALLOWING FOR GREATER AFFORABLE AFFORDABLEABILITY AND DIVERSITY OF INCOME GENERATION AND RATES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THE SECOND POINT I WOULD LIKE TO EMPHASIZE IS THE USE OF INFRASTRUCTURE SUCH AS WATER, SEWAGE, AND PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION REDUCES THE NEED FOR EXTENDING INFRASTRUCTURE INTO SPARSELY POPULATED REGIONS. THANK YOU. AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK BEFORE YOU. >> MR. PRESIDENT, MICHAEL IS NO LOCK ALL LONGER ONLINE. THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: I THINK WE HAVE RAVEN WHO SIGNED UP ON ZOOM. IF THAT PERSON IS HERE. >> I THOUGHT I SIGNED IN. >>COUN. DAVIS: LET'S GET TO MS. DEL RIO. >> RAVEN DEL RIO. >> CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> WE CAN HEAR YOU. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILORS, I'M SPEAKING AGAINST 22-54. CAN WE DO NEED HOAR ER THERE'S NO SAFEGUARDS FOR THOSE WHO MADE THE BIGGEST PURCHASE OF THEIR LIVES THEIR HOMES. LET'S WHAT'S TO AND STRUGGLING HOMEOWNERS ONE AFTER ANOTHER? A BLOCK OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES CAN DOUBLE OR TRIPLE IN DENSITY WITH NO RECOURSE. IN MEETINGS WITH ADMINISTRATIVE THAT THE ASKED IF THE CITY IS AWARE HOW MUCH THIS COULD CAUSE TO DISENFRANCHISE NEIGHBORHOODS, THE VERBAL TAP DANCING BELIEVE THEY CHOOSE TO IGNORE. IT WE NEED HOUSING BUT WE DON'T NEED SOLUTIONS THAT SEEM TURNING OUT RESIDENTS DEEMED LESS DESIRABLE. THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THAT IT WILL CREATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. PLEASE TABLE THIS UNTIL ALL RESIDENTS ARE MADE FULLY AWARE OF THE CHANGES INVOLVED AND TREATED AS A MAJOR CITY WIDE CHANGE RATHER THAN A MINOR CHANGE TO THE IDO. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. I LIVE IN TAYLOR RANCH. I WANT TO SAY THAT THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN AND RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO SUPPORT FOR THIS HOUSING FORWARD. THERE WAS A SURVEY MONKEY THAT WAS DONE FOR OUR WEST SIDE COALITION AND BASICALLY IT SAYS THAT PARKING WAS VERY IMPORTANT. DO NOT REDUCE IT IN SO MANY WORDS. THERE SHOULD BE STRUCTURES ON EXISTING PLOTS. AND THAT SHOULD THIS BE CONDITIONAL, OR PERMISSIVE, THEY SAID CONDITIONAL. AND WOULD THIS MAKE THINGS AFFORDABLE NO. WHAT DO YOU THINK THE COUNCIL SHOULD DO? HEAD SHOULD THEY APPROVE OR DEFER OR REJECT INTHEY'RE SAYING REJECT AND DOING FURTHER RESEARCH TO FIGURE OUT WHY THERE'S AN AFFORDABILITY ISSUE. THERE'S THREE THINGS THAT CAUSES RED FLAGS. THEY'RE SAYING THIS IS OLD OUT DATED ZONING. THIS WAS APPROVED IN 2017. AND WHY HASN'T IT MADE THINGS AFFORDABLE? THEY'RE BUILDING A TON OF APARTMENTS AND I SENT A LETTER THAT SAYS WE'RE BUILDING 49 PROJECTS RIGHT NOW. AND ONE OUT OF FOUR OF THEM SHOULD BE AFFORDABLE. HOW IS CHANING THINGS GOING TO MAKE THINGS BETTER? THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILORS, THANK YOU TO ALL THE COMMENTERS. WE'RE BACK ON THE BILL. WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO AMENDMENTS. AND ASK THE ADMINISTRATION TO WEIGH IN AS WE GO THROUGH THEM. I KNOW THERE'S PRESENTATIONS ON THE AMENDMENTS. COUNCILORS, WE HAVE THE AMENDMENTS AVAILABLE. I'M GOING TO GO TO THE SPONSORS. DO YOU WANT PRESENTATIONS FROM STAFF? >>COUN. BENTON: MR. PRESIDENT, I'D LIKE TO HEAR THE STAFF AND ADMINISTRATION PRESENTATION. I THINK WE DESERVE A WIDE OPEN -- EYES WIDE OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS. AFTER WE HEAR THAT I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO HAVE A CONTINUANCE. I LIKE TO HEAR THE STAFF'S REPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: LET'S START WITH MS. SHULS. >> MR. PRESIDENT, IF THE ADMINISTRATION CAN BEGIN, THAT WOULD BE IDEAL. >> IF THE ADMINISTRATION HAS A SHORT PRESENTATION THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL. WELCOME BACK. >> COUNCILORS, THANKS FOR HANGING IN THERE. IT'S BEEN LONG NIGHT. WE'LL TRY TO KEEP THIS QUICKLY. WE HAVE A KEY FROM ADMINISTRATION. I KNOW SOME OF YOU HAVE SEEN THIS. WE HAVE ADDED NEW INFORMATION LARGELY IN RESPONSE TO SOME OF THE YEGZS WE'VE HEARD FROM ALL OF YOU BUT TRIED TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE'VE HEARD FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS. HOW DID WE GET HERE? DESPITE A LOT OF FEAR, WE REALLY HAVE DONE A TON OF RESEARCH TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'VE GOT HERE. WE'VE TALKED TO INDUSTRY FOLKS AND ASKED PEOPLE TO DO RESEARCH, WE'VE DONE RESEARCH, LOOKED ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND LOOKED AT DATD -- DATA. I WANT YOU TO FEEL GOOD. IF YOU DON'T FEEL GOOD, PLEASE GO TO THE WEBSITE AND LOOK AT THE 200-PLUS FORCES OF RESEARCH. ABOUT WHAT ARE OTHER CITIES DOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM WHICH WE'RE ALL HAVING ACROSS AMERICA. NEXT SLIDE. I WANT TO REMIND FOLKS WHY WE'RE HERE. ULTIMATELY, I THINK WE ALL WANTED -- WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET EVERYBODY HOUSED. REGARDLESS OF INCOME LEVEL OR WHERE THEY LIVE IN THE CITY. WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE. I KNOW ALL OF US SHARE. WE REALLY DO -- THE DAA IS CLEAR. WE HAVE SEVERAL STUDIES WE'VE COMMISSIONED AND THE NATIONAL DATA. 30,000 UNITS, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE HEARD PEOPLE TALK ABOUT. WE'VE HEARD ABOUT WHAT'S HAP -- HAPPENING TO RENT. HALF OF RENTERS ARE SPENDING MORE THAN 30% ON RENT. THAT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE. MANY MORE HAVE SPENT HALF THE INCOME. WE CAN'T HAVE A VIBRANT ECONOMY OR SAFETY IF THEY'RE SPENDING HALF INCOME ON RENT. I KNOW THERE'S DIFFERENCES ON OUR COUNT ON AND WHAT THE HOMELESS POPULATION IS. VERY MODEST ESTIMATE, 1300 HOMELESS FOLKS EXPERIENING HOMELESS ON ANY NIGHT. THE NUMBERS ARE AS HIGH AS 6,000. I THINK THE ONE THING I APPRECIATE THE HOMELESS PRESENTATION BECAUSE IT REMINDED ALL OF US THERE'S A SERIOUS PROBLEM WE ALL HAVE TO DEAL WITH. IT'S NOT JUST THE HOMELESS POPULATION IT'S FOLKS THAT CAN'T FIND RENTALS. JUST TO KEEP US MOVING. SKIP THE STATISTICS ON THE NEXT SLIDE. AND GO TORESEARCH. I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU HOW WE CAME UP WITH -- AND I HOPE YOU READ THE REPORT ON THE CITY WEBSITE. WE HAVE DR. KREBS WHO IS AN EXPERT ON URBAN POLITICS AND POLICY LOOK AT THE RESEARCH. THERE'S 200 SOURCES. WE ALSO LOOKED AT WHAT WORKS HISTORICALLY. THERE'S A LOT OF RESEARCH IN THAT REPORT. FINALLY, WE DID TALK TO LOTS OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS, I THINK IT'S -- THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE NAOP AND THE CENTER FOR LAW AND POVERTY. IT'S A DIVERSE GROUP OF FOLKS SUPPORTING IT. THE REASON IS THEY ACKNOWLEDGE WE HAVE A PROBLEM. I DON'T DISPARAGE NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS. BUT THE DIVERSITY IN SUPPORT SHOULD BE NOTED. WE TALK TO INDUSTRY FOLKS. THOSE OF US WHO AREN'T DEVELOPERS OR CONSTRUCTION FOLKS, WE NEED THEIR INPUT. NEXT SLIDE IS REALLY IMPORTANT. I THINK THAT MANY OF YOU SAID OKAY WELL WHAT ABOUT NEIGHBORHOODS AND YOU HEARD FROM A LOT OF THEM TONIGHT. YOU KNOW, IN MY EXPERIENCE HAVING SAT UP THERE, THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST INPUT WE'VE HAD ON ANY PROPOSAL THAT STARTED WAY BACK LAST YEAR. WE'VE HAD AT LEAST 16 MEETINGS. WE PROBABLY FORGOT A LOT OF THEM. DESPITE WHAT YOU HEAR ABOUT INPUT, WE START WAY BACK IN NOVEMBER. OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOLKS, COUNCIL TALKED TO FOLKS WHO HAVE NUMEROUS PUBLIC MEETINGS. THERE'S A LIST OF THEM THERE. I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THIS WITH YOU ALL AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO TALK TO FOLKS. THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE ALL OF THE CORRESPONDENCE WE'VE RECEIVED. ALL OF THE INDIVIDUAL CONVERSATIONS THAT OUR PLANNING TEAM HAVE RECEIVED. FOLKS JUST ANSWERING QUESTIONS AND MANY OF YOU HAVE HAD QUESTIONS. WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO DO? AS MANY FOLKS HAVE SAID, WE HAVE A MODEST GOAL OF ADDING 5,000. THAT'S WHAT THE MAYOR IS TRYING TO GET AT WITH INITIATIVE. WE KNOW NONE OF THESE WILL SOLVE THE WHOLE PROBLEM. IF YOU SUPPORT INCREASING DENSITY BY ADDING DUPLEXES THAT'S NOT GOING TO SOLVE IT. IF WE INCREASE BUILDING HEIGHTS AND PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND MAKE INCENTIVE, THAT'S NOT GOING TO SOLVE IT. TOGETHER WE HOPE TO MAKE A DENT. MOST OF IT IS THE MARKET TAKING CARE OF IT. ONE OF THE KEY PROVISIONS, AND SHE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS, ONE OF THE ZONE CHANGES IS ALLOWING THIS CONVERSION OF HOTEL PROPERTIES. DIRECTOR PIERCE WORKED REALLY HARD ON THE FIRST ONE. WE HOPE IT WILL BE ONE OF SEVERAL WAYS OF US CONVERTING HOTELS NOT FOR SUPPORTIVE HOUSING BUT FOR MIXED INCOME. I LIKE WHEN CAROL SAYS WE WANT DIVERSITY FOLKS LIVING THERE. YOU WON'T KNOW IF YOUR NEIGHBOR IS A TEACHER OR IF THEY'RE JUST GETTING BACK ON THEIR FEET. I WANT TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE NUISANCE ABATEMENT. I KNOW I'M MOVING QUICKLY. NUISANCE ABATEMENT WAS PART OF THE STRATEGY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ZONING. I WANT TO REMIND YOU THIS IS A BIGGER PACKAGE THAN JUST ZONE CHANGES. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS YOU PASSED UNANIMOUSLY WAS EXPANDING OUR ADMINISTRATION'S ABILITY TO GO AFTER NUISANCE PROPERTIES BECAUSE WE NEED TO IN A WAY THAT'S RESPONSIBLE AND PROTECT PEOPLE'S RIGHTS. AND BECAUSE SOME OF THE PROBLEM PROPERTIES WE HOPE TO CONVERT INTO PUBLIC HOUSING. FINALLY, WE ALSO LEARN FROM EXPERTS HERE AND FANLLY THAT WE'RE ALL FACING A MARKET SHORTAGE, SO WE'RE ALSO COMMITTING TO WORK WITH PARTNERS AT CNM AND BUILDING TRADE TO HELP BUILD THE LABOR FORCE WE'RE GOING TO NEED. WHETHER IT'S DPLEXES OR BUILDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THESE ARE ALL ELEMENTS OF THE PLAN. IT'S NOT JUST ZONE CHANGES. THINK CONSTRUCTIVELY OF HOW TO GET TLCH I ONE OF THE THINGS WE COMMITTED TO YOU IS WE'RE NOT JUST GOING TO THINK ABOUT THE SUPPLY, WE'RE GOING TO THINK ABOUT PEOPLE TRYING TO GET HOUSING NOW, WHAT ARE WE DOING TO SUPPORT THEM. AND WE MENTIONED FOUR THINGS. IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WE ALREADY PASSED SOURCE INCOME REQUIREMENTS. WE HOPE OUR TEAM IS ENFORCING MAKING SURE PEOPLE AREN'T DISCRIMINATED WHEN THEY'RE USING THE VOUCHERS. CAROL'S TEAM AND WE'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT THIS. -- AND SECURITY DEPOSITS AND POTENTIAL DAMAGE. I THINK THEY CAME UP WITH A GREAT SUGGESTION. I'LL LET DEVON TALK ABOUT THAT. I KNOW WE DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT SHORT-TERM RENTALS. I WANT TO SAY THE REASON IT'S PART OF THIS IS AGAIN LOOKING AT CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, ONE OF THE SMALL WAYS WE CAN TRY TO KEEP AS MUCH SUPPLY AVAILABLE IS TO PUT REASONABLE LIMITS ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS. WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH THE OWNERS. THAT WILL HELP SOLVE THE PROBLEM. YOU GET TO DECIDE WHETHER IT'S PART OF THE SOLUTION OR NOT. FINALLY, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A LOT OF TENANT PROTECTIONS HAVEN'T GOTTEN A LOT OF TRACTION, WE'RE GOING TOED CONTINUE TO TO FIND WAYS TO HELP TENANTS ACCESS HOUSING WITH THE EXISTING HOUSING STOCK. I WANT TO TURN IT OVER TO DIRECTOR PIERCE TO TALK ABOUT THINGS WE'RE ALREADY DOING TO KEEP PEOPLE HOUSED AND THIS NEW PROGRAM. >> THANK YOU, ERIC. THANK YOU, COUNCILORS. I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE WORK WE'RE DOING IN HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICE CENTERS. WE'VE DOUBLED THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE'RE WORKING WITH PEOPLE TO KEEP PEOPLE IN THEIR HOMES. THAT'S WHAT MATTERS. MILLIONS HAVE BEEN INVESTED. AND WE'VE INVESTED ANOTHER MILLION. WE ALSO CONTINUE AND WE'VE DONE THIS FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS HAVE OUTREACH FOR EVICTION PREVENTION. WE HAVE WORKERS DOING IT ON ZOOM OR ON-SITE WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COURT AND CONNECTING THEM TO RESOURCES SO THEY'RE NOT BEING EVICTED. AND ALSO WITH SOME OF THE RESOURCES WHAT WE'RE DOING OFTEN IS A BARRIER FOR PEOPLE TO GET INTO HOUSING WHETHER IT'S VOUCHERS OR PEOPLE LOW INCOME WITHOUT VUCHERS ARE NEEDING BEDS AND WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MAKE SOME OF THOSE PURCHASES TO HELP REDUCE THOSE BARRIERS TO KEEP PEOPLE IN THEIR HOMES. I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE DEVON MAN DEL. SHE'S PART OF THE HOMELESS PREVENTION INITIATIVE AND TAKING THE LEAD ON THE TENANT PROTECTION. AND THIS IS THE IDEA THAT CAME FROM CITY COUNCIL AND I THINK SHE'S BEEN WORKING WITH YOU ON THAT. >> I'M GOING TO OUTLINE OVERVIEW OF THE LANDLORD ENGAGEMENT PROJECT. IT WILL BE ROLLING OUT IN THE FALL. WE HOPE TO SERVE OVER 850 HOUSEHOLDS OF PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE VOUCHERS. THIS IS CITY AND HUD FUND MPD WE'VE ALLOCATED $535,000 TO THE HOUSING VOUCHER PROGRAM FOR THIS PILOT PROGRAM. LANDLORDS APPLY FOR FUNDS TO COVER UP TO $2,000. AND 1,000 IN UP GRADES TO HAVE UNITS. AND 500 IN FLEXIBLE FUNDS THAT COVERS UTILITIES OR APPLICATION FEES AND OTHER FEES. AND WE'VE ALSO COVERED UP TO ONE MONTH OF VACANCY LOSS. THIS PROGRAM WILL INCLUDE LANDLORD LIAISON. THESE LANDLORDS WOULD BE SOCIAL SUPPORT. THERE WILL BE THREE POSITIONS EMBEDDED IN COMMUNITY AGENCY TO SERVE THE LANDLORDS THAT RENT TO THEM. THEY WILL OFFER SUPPORT AND ATTENTION TO HELP BUILD STRONG WORKING RELATIONSHIPS WITH LANDLORDS AND VOUCHER PARTICIPANT AND THE AGENCIES THAT SERVE THEM. WE'RE PARTNERING WITH MFA TO BE OUR AGENT TO ADMINISTER THE FUNDS AND PAY OUT CLAIMS. AND WE WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE WE'RE WORKING IN PARTNERSHIP WITH IT CONSULTANT THROUGH CITY COUNCIL. AND WE MEET REGULARLY TO CREATE THIS PROGRAM TO SEE IT GROW. THIS WILL BE THE PILOT. >> THANKS. I THINK WHAT WE HEARD FROM SEVERAL SPEAKERS IS THE IMPACT THIS HOUSING CRISIS IS HAVING ON COMMUNITIES OF COLOR. I JUST WANTED TO GIVE RUHAUNT A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE'RE WORKING WITH TARGETED COMMUNITIES TO ADDRESS HOUSING. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS. IN ADDITION TO ALL THE EFFORTS YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT TONIGHT TO KEEP PEOPLE HOUSED AND INCREASE HOUSING. OUR CITY HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON HOMEOWNERSHIP AS A STRATEGY TO CLOSE THE RACIAL WEALTH GAP. ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE'VE DONE THIS IS HAVE A GRANT OF LIVING CITIES WHICH WE USE TO CONDUCT THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND IT REALLY SHOWED WHO OWNS HOUSES AT WHAT RATE IN ALBUQUERQUE. AND IN TWO POPULATIONS IN PARTICULAR REALLY ARE UNDER REPRESENTED IN THE HOMEOWNESHIP THE IMPACTS THAT HAS IN THE ABILITY TO USEOME EQUITY TO DO ALL THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE DO WHEN THEY HAVE FIRST HOME AND TURN AROUND AND START BUILDING THEIR FAMILY'S EQUITY AND GENERATIONAL EQUITY. WE'RE LOOKING AT INCREASING BLACK HOMEOWNERSHIP BY 5%. AND THAT AMOUNTS TO 41 NEW HOMEOWNERS IN ALBUQUERQUE. THAT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE BLACK OPENSHIP RATE IN ALBUQUERQUE. WE HAVE A SECOND INITIATIVE FROM OPPORTUNITY ACCELERATOR. THIS IS ANOTHER NATIONAL NETWORK THAT IS CONCERNED WITH CLOSING THE RACIAL WEALTH GAP. THEY CONDUCT ADDITIONAL RESEARCH TO SEE WHAT IS IT ABOUT THE CITY'S INVESTMENTS IN HOMEOWNERSHIP THAT IS WORKING AND WHAT ISN'T WORKINGIES -- AS WELL AS IT SHOULD. THE POPULATIONS AREN'T GETTING THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT OTHERS HAVE AND WHAT CAN CAN WE DO AS A CITY TO INCREASE THE HOME OWNERSHIP. THE OTHER POPULATION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE NATIVE-AMERICAN HOMEOWNERSHIP. IN ADDITION TO THE HUGE DISPARITIES YOU SEE IN THE UNSHELTERED POPULATION, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE OTHER END OF THE HOUSING SPECTRUM IN TERMS OF THE NATIVE-AMERICANS HAVING A LOW HOMEOWNERSHIP RATE. ALBUQUERQUE IS A SECOND HOME TO MANY PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE TO LIVE HERE AND MAINTAIN RESIDENTS IN PUEBLOS ASK TRIBE AND. AND SO, THESE TWO INITIATIVES TOGETHER ARE TRYING TO BRING INFORMATION AND POTENTIALLY LOOK AT SITES WHERE BLACK AND INDIGENOUS HOMEOWNERS WOULD LIKE TO LIVE IN ALBUQUERQUE. AND CREATE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THOSE POPULATIONS. >> SO, THE LAST SLIDE AND WE CAN TAKE QUESTIONS. I KNOW SHANNON IS GOING TO GO INTO SPECIFICS ON THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS. I'VE LEAVE IT UP TO YOU, MR. CHAIR. WHAT DO WE KNOW? IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, WE GIVE YOU HARD COPIES, I HOPE WE'RE NOT IN DISPUTE THAT EVERYBODY FROM HARVARD TO A STUDY WE INSTITUTED, THERE'S A MAJOR HOUSING SHORTAGE ACROSS ALBUQUERQUE. WE ALSO KNOW FROM THE RESEARCH AND DATA THAT DISPROPORTIONATE EFFECTIVE COST IS ON LOW INCOME FOLKS AND UNDERRESOURCED COMMUNITIES AND THE COMMUNITIES MICHELLE IS FOCUSING ON IN HER WORK. AND AGAIN, THIS IS A FACT, THE PROBLEM IS DUE TO LACK OF HOUSING STOCK. THERE IS NO WAY TO GET OUT OF THIS WITHOUT INCREASING HOUSING STOCK. I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THIS, SHANNON IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS, WE CAN'T GET THERE WITHOUT MAKEING SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE ZONING CODE. THERE'S NO PATH OR SOLUTION UNLESS WE MAKE THESE HARD CHOICES. THE LAST THING I WANT TO SAY PAUSE THE MAYOR WANTED TO BE CLEAR. WE UNDERSTAND THIS IS A NEGOTIATION AND DEMOCRACY, WE'RE OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO MAKE THIS PROPOSAL BETTER. WE TRY TO WORK WITH YOU ON AMENDMENTS AND WE HOPE WE CAN SUPPORT A BALANCED PACKAGE THAT WE'RE ALL PART OF THE SOLUTION TOGETHER. WITH THAT, I CAN STOP AND GO TO STRANNEN. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. MS. SHULZ. >> I HAVE A PRESENTATION THAT PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF THE BILL AS IT SITS TODAY TO GAIN AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE BILL IS UNDERSTANDED. AND I HAVE A SLIDE. FOR NOW, I'LL BEGIN WITH MY OVERVIEW PRESENTATION. FIRST, I'D LIKE TO REMIND THE COUNCIL THAT THE AMENDMENTS FOR THE IDO TO BE APPROVED THERE'S THREE CRITERIA. IF YOU CONSIDER CHJZ AS THEY EXIST TODAY, YOU SHOULD BE KEEPING THESE THREE THINGS IN MIND. ONE, THEY'RE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ANY OTHER ADOPTIVE PLANS AND POLICIES THE CITY MAY HAVE. THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT DOES NOT APPLY ONLY TO SINGLE LOT OR PROJECT AND THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT PROMOTES THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE CITY. ERIC DID A PRETTY GOOD OVERVIEW OF THE PUBLIC PROCESS. I'LL HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE THINGS. ONE, THE EPC DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS BILL WITH RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS. MANY OF WHICH MADE THEIR WAY INTO THE BILL AT THE LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING HEARING. THERE WERE TWO IN APRIL. ON APRIL 12 AND APRIL 26. THOSE WERE WELL ATTENDED BY THE PUBLIC. BOTH HEARINGS HAD AMENDMENTS THAT WERE PROPOSED AND ACTED UPON WHICH LEADS US HERE TO THE FINAL STEP IN THE PROCESS WHICH IS APPROVAL BY THE FULL CITY COUNCIL. THERE'S SIX SECTIONS IN THE BILL THAT ARE UNIQUE AND DISTINCTIVE THINGS. I'LL PROVIDE A QUICK OVERVIEW. AGAIN, AS THEY WERE AMENDED BY THE LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE. THE FIRST ONE IS DUPLEXES IN THE R-1 ZONING DISTRICT. THEY ARE ALLOWED ONLY IN THE R1A ZONE DISTRICT. WHICH IS THE SMALLEST LOT ZONE DISTRICT FOR THE R1 ZONE. THE PROPOSAL ON THE TABLE IS TO ALLOW THEM PERMISSIVELY IN ALL R1. THE TWO MAPS YOU SEE VERY SMALL ON THE SCREEN THAT SHOW IT ALLOWED TODAY AND THE MAP ON THE LEFT AND IN THE FUTURE. SECTION TWO RELATES TO ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, THOSE BECOME PERMSIVE IN THE R1 ZONE DISTRICTS. WHAT YOU SEE ON THE LEFT TODAY IS WHERE YOU CAN DO AN ACCESSORY DWELLING YUNALITY WITH THE KITCHEN BECAUSE THEY HAVE A SMALL RULE THAT ALLOWS IT. WHAT YOU SEE IS ALL OF THE REST OF THE R1 ZONING WHERE IT BECOMES PERMISSIVE USE IF THIS WERE TO PASS. A COUPLE OF NOTES ABOUT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS THROUGH PROPOSAL ON THE BILL OR IDO REQUIREMENTS TODAY, THIS WOULD PROPOSE TO ALLOW ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS WITH KITCHEN. THERE'S A NEW REQUIREMENT OF 750 SQUARE FEET AS A MAXIMUM. THE HEIGHT WILL BE LIMITED TO THE HEIGHT OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY. IF THAT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IS BUILT WAIN REQUIRED SETBACK. IT CAN ONLY BE CONSTRUCTED IN THE REAR YARD. AND ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT CANNOT TAKE UP MORE THAN 25%. OR 750 SQUARE FEET. THESE STRUCTURES HAVE TO MEET FIRE CODE AND ALL OTHER BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE CITY HAS. SOME OF THOSE RELATE TO SETBACKS FOR WHAT WE CALL A SETBACK IN THE BUILDING CODES OF HOW FAR THEY MUST BE AWAY FROM ANOTHER BUILDING FOR FIRE SAFETY. THE BUILD LIMITS BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE. THAT'S ZONING. ALL THERE'S PARKING REQUIREMENTS OF ONE PARKING SPACE PER ADU. 2NDS SECTION THREE TALKS ABOUT EXEMPTION OF KITCHEN FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL CONVERSION. WHAT EXISTS IS A LESSER KITCHEN REQUIREMENT FOR THE CONVERSIONS. IF THE PROJECT IS NO MORE THAN 100 UNITS AND ASSOCIATED WITH FUNDING THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF FAMILY SERVICES WHAT'S PROPOSED IN THE BUILD IS TAKE THE UNIT REQUIREMENT AND CITY FUNDING REQUIREMENT OUT SO ANYONE CAN DO THESE PROJECTS. ALSO IN THE BILL, SOMETHING THAT GOT ADDED AT PROPOSAL BY THE EPC AT THE LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING IS A VACANT ALLOWANCE. THERE'S A ZONING DISTRICT IN THE IDO CALLED NRBP. NONRESIDENTIAL BUSINESS PARK. YOU CANNOT DO RESIDENTIAL USES IN THE ZONE DISTRICT. IF A BUILDING THAT IS IN AN NRBP PIECE OF LAND IS VACANT FOR FIVE YEARS WE ALLOW THAT BUILDING TO BE CONVERTED TO RESIDENTIAL. SECTION FOUR OF THE BILL TALKS LARGELY ABOUT BUILDING HEIGHT. THIS CHART PROPOSES TO SHOW YOU THE CHANGES IN THE VARIOUS ZONING DISTRICTS AND CENTERS AND CORRIDORS THAT GET ADDITIONAL BUILDING HEIGHT BONUSES BASED ON MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT OR LOCATION. SOME OF THE BONUSERIZE NEW. SOME EXIST IN THE IDO TODAY AND ARE PROPOSED TO BE INCREASED AS AN INCENTIVE TO BUILD FAMILY HOUSING. ALSO IN SECTION FOUR IS THE PROPOSED NEW NEIGHBORHOOD EDGE. THERE'S AN EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD EDGE IN THE IDO THAT PROTECTS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. IT INSTITUTES A STEP DOWN REQUIREMENT OF TALLER BUILDINGS ON ADJACENT PARCELS. THIS IS A NEW NEIGHBORHOOD EDGE REQUIREMENT THAT PROPOSES TO PROTECT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND RML AND MXP. AND PROPOSES A SIMILAR STEP DOWN SYSTEM BUT FOR TALLER LIKELY MULTI-FAMILY BUILDINGS. ANOTHER COMPONENT OF SECTION FOUR THAT I DON'T HAVE ON MY SLIDE IS A NEW PROPOSED PROHIBITION ON ANY BUILDING HEIGHT BONUSES IN OVERLAY ZONE. IFS THE A PART OF THE CITY COVERED BY CHARACTER PROTECTION ZONE, OR A VIEW PROTECTION OVERLAY ZONE, ANY NEW BONUSES OR EXISTING BONUSES FOR BUILDING HEIGHTS THAT THE IDO WOULD BE ALLOWING WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THOSE. SECTION FIVE IS REDUCED PARKING REQUIREMENTS. THE PROPOSAL IS THAT IF SOMEONE IS DOING A MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT AND AT LEAST 20% MEET THE DEFINITION OF WORKFORCE HOUSING THAT PROJECT COULD HAVE A 20% REDUCTION IN PARKING AND ADDITION TO ANY OTHER PARKING REDUCTION THAT IS AVAILABLE TO THEM IN THE IDO ALREADY. SECTION SIX IS A DIFFERENT AND DISTINCT PROPOSED PARKING REDUCTION THAT SAYS FOR GENERAL MULTI-FAMILY PROJECTS, I'M NOT ABOUT WORKFORCE COMPONENT, 30E% ADDITION TO ANY OTHER PARKING REDUCTION THAT THE IDO MAY OFFER. THAT IS MY OVERVIEW OF THE BILL AS IT GOT AMENDED AT LUPZ AND HOW IT SITS TODAY. I'M HAPPY TO DIVE INTO AMENDMENTS IF IT'S THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL OR PAUSE FOR QUESTIONS. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I HAVE A QUESTION. MS. SHULZ. DURLING DURING MY MEETINGS I MET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZATIONS, AND THEY TALKED ABOUT EXTENSIVE HISTORY DEALING WITH THESE KINDS OF THINGS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP IS YOU TALKED ABOUT THE CONVERSION WITH A LESSER KITSCHP. BASED ON THE CONVERSION, THAT MEANS THEY CAN USE A HOT PLATE LIKE YOU DISPLAYED ON THE SLIDE. THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, AND THE PERSON THAT ACTUALLY ASKED ABOUT THIS IS THE AMOUNT OF -- IF WE'RE GOING TO BE UNDER THE HOOK BY CITY BASED ON HUD STANDARD. IN OTHER COMMUNITIES AROUND THE UNITED STATES, LESSER KITCHEN DOES NOT COMPLY TO HUD STANDARDS, THEREFORE THEY'RE ABLE TO FORCE THAT UPON THE CITY, FILE A LAWSUIT ON THE CITY AND THEY HADIFY FOR THE CONVERSION IF THERE'S A HUD PERSON IN THAT CONVERSION. BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HONOR HOT PLATE. THEY HONOR A FULL KITCHEN. I NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT OVERSTEPPING OUR BOUNDARIES BY A LESSER KITCHEN. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, YFRB NOT YET I HAVE NOT HEARD OF THE REQUIREMENT. I AM HAPPY TO WORK WITH FOLKS IN THE FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES TO GET AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT TONIGHT. I'M GOING TO LOOK AT THE FOLKS THAT THE DEPARTMENT TO SEE IF THEY KNOW OFF THE TOP OF THEIR HEADS. THAT IS A QUESTION THAT I CAN BOOKMARK. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: BASICALLY, I DON'T WANT TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE THE CITY IS ACTUALLY FORCED BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY LET SOMEBODY THAT IS A HUD HOUSING PARTICIPANT INTO THE HOUSE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW WE'RE FORCED TO PUSH FOR A -- AND WE HAVE TO COMPLY BASED ON HUD REQUIREMENTS. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK INTO BEFORE WE GET IN DEPTH. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILORS, HERE'S WHAT I'M THINKING. WE COULD GO INTO MS. SHULZ PRESENTATION ON THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS. IT MIGHT BE -- WE ALSO HAVE 77 TO FOLLOW. THAT WRAPS UP ALL OF OUR TIME. OTHERWISE, WE'LL HAVE TO EXTEND TO GET THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. EITHER WAY, IT'S FINE. LET US KNOW WHAT THE RESPONSES WANT TO DO. >>COUN. BENTON: WHAT WE DISCUSSED, MR. PRESIDENT, GIVEN THE HOUR AND WE'VE STILL GOT THE OTHER BILL, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF TWO TECHNICAL AMENDMENTS IN THIS GROUP OR THREE. MAYBE WE CAN GET THOSE DISPOSED OF AND ENTERTAIN OF MOVING A CONTINUANCE WHICH MEANS IT WILL STILL BE WRITTEN COMMENTS ACCEPTED. WE WOULDN'T GO THROUGH SPOKEN PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE NEXT MEETING IF WE DO A CONTINUANCE. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT WITH THIS BILL AND MAYBE WE CAN DO SOMETHING SIMILAR WITH THE IDO BILL. >>COUN. DAVIS: IF IT'S GOOD WITH THE SPONSOR -- IS IT POSSIBLE TO PULL THOSE REALLY QUICKLY. LET'S HIT THOSE REALLY QUICKLY IF THEY'RE WILLING TO DO THAT AND WE'LL SEE IF IT'S THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL TO HEAR THE REST OR PUSH IT OFF UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING. I SUSPECT WE'LL HAVE TO DO THEM AGAIN ANYWAY. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BENTON, B3B IN YOUR PACKET IS THE ONLY NON-SUBSTANTIVE NON-POLICY DISCRETION AMENDMENT IN THE PACKET. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS B3A, I SUGGESTION IT BE DISCUSSED ALONG WITH B2 AND B3A GO IN DIFFERENT POLICY DIRECTIONS. B3B, HOWEVER IS TRULY JUST A TECHNICAL CLEAN UP. NO POLICY DISCRETION. JUST FIXING ERRORS. >>COUN. BENTON: MR. CHAIR, THE NEIGHBORHOOD EDGE, IS THAT ALSO SOMETHING MORE CONTENTIOUS? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BENTON, I DON'T KNOW I WOULD SAY IT'S CONTENTIOUS, BUT IT'S A POLICY DECISION OF THE COUNCIL. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A TECHNICAL MATTER LIKE B3B IS. >>COUN. BENTON: OKAY. I'M GOING TO MOVE AS AMENDMENT ONE B3B. I THINK COUNCILOR PEÑA HAD A COMMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP. >>COUN. PEÑA: I JUST WANTED TO SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS. I APPRECIATE MS. SHULZ'S PRESENTATION BASED ON THE AMENDMENTS WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US AND WHAT THIS IDO CHANGE DOES. AND IT'S ABOUT ADU AND BUILDING HEIGHT AND DUPLEXES AND SHORT-TERM RENTAL. THOSE ARE THE CHANGES TO THE IDO THIS GO ROUND. I JUST WANTED TO SAY TO THE ADMINISTRATION, I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT OF DIRECTOR PIERCE AND ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING. I WAS HAVING SOME REAL HEARTBURN OVER JUST TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE CHANGES FOR PEOPLE AND AS A REASON TO PASS THE UPDATES. I FELT THAT WASN'T -- THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY -- IF YOU LOOK AND RESEARCH, I HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL THE RESEARCH YOU HAVE DONE, BUT ACCORD TO THE STUDY OF URBAN INSTITUTE THIS DOES NOT CREATE MORE HOUSING UNITS. AND THERE'S NOT EVIDENCE THAT IT MAKES HOUSING CHEAPER. IT GOES ON TO SAY WE FIND THE REFORMS THAT LOOSENED RESTRICTIONS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH A STATISTICAL SIGNIFICANT .08 OF HOUSING SUPPLY. I MEAN, POTENTIALLY, IT INCREASES HOUSING STOCK BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HELP WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IT'S A STUDY BY THE URBAN INSTITUTE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE AT AS PART OF THE RECORD. I THINK IT'S NECESSARY. I GET UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE USE OF PEOPLE OF COLOR AND PEOPLE IS WHY WE HAVE TO DO THIS WHEN IT DOESN'T REALLY SHOW THE STUDY SUPPORTS THAT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. CAN -- COUNCILOR BENTON. >> I JUST -- I APPRECIATE THE CONCERN. I THINK THE -- THERE ARE PROBABLY ABOUT 15 OTHER STUDIES INCLUING ANOTHER STUDY FROM THE URBAN INSTITUTE FROM HARVARD FROM MORTGAGE IF I THINKS FINANCE AUTHORITY THAT SUGGEST THAT DEPENDING ON THE ZONE CHANGES ON HOW YOU OPEN UP THE ZONING IT CAN AND DOES INCREASE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. BUT THERE'S NUMEROUS OTHER EXAMPLES WE CAN SHARE ABOUT THAT. I THINK THE POINT WASN'T TRYING TO USE COMMUNITIES OF COLOR TO SUGGEST THAT WHY WE SHOULD PASS THIS. WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE COUNCIL KNOWS THE ZONE CHANGES ARE A PART OF THIS PACKAGE, BUT THEY'RE A PART OF THIS PACKAGE. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CONTINUING TO THINK ABOUT ACCESS THAT WHATEVER YOU ALL DECIDE, SOME OF THE PASS, OR NONE OF THIS PASSES, THE REST OF IT IS IMPORTANT TO MAING SURE WE'RE PROMOING HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, HOMEOWNERSHIP AND TENANTS RIGHTS. WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY. THIS IS A MUCH BROADER PACKAGE THAN ZONE AMENDMENTS ALTHOUGH THAT'S WHAT IS BEING DEBATED. YOUR POINT IS WELL-TAKEN, COUNCILOR. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BENTON. >>COUN. BENTON: YEAH. REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION. I THINK THAT ONE URBAN INSTITUTE REPORT FOCUSED ON THE NEWLY CREATED APARTMENTS OR DWELLINGS. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MARKET AS A WHOLE, INCREASING THE SUPPLY IN THE MARKET AS A WHOLE WILL INDIRECTLY MAKE MORE AFFORDABLE UNITS AS WELL AVAILABLE AT THE LOWER END OF THE RENT. THINK ABOUT THAT. THAT'S THE BASIC MARKET OPERATION. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE THAT AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. THAT'S THE CLEAN UP OF O-4. AND MS. SHULZ CAN EXPLAIN. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BENTON, THIS IS B3B, AS IN YOUR PACKET. THIS PROPOSES TO MAKE TWO CLEAN UPS THAT HAPPENED AT THE LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE. THE WORD MICROWAVE GOT STRICKEN WHEN IT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN. THIS WAS IN RESPONSE FROM THE EPC RECOMMENDATION AND THE NEXT DID NOT GET COPIED OVER CORRECTLY. SECOND THERE'S A BLANKET STATEMENTED -- STATEMENT ABOUT THE THERE'S MANY AMENDMENTS TONIGHT OR POTENTIALLY TWO WEEKS THAT MAY POTENTIALLY STRIKE SECTIONS OF THE BILL. THERE'S DIRECTION TO LEGISLATIVE STAFF TO RECTIFY THAT EFFECTIVE DATE AND PUBLICATION OF SECTIONS DEPENDING ON THE OUTCOME OF THE FLOOR AMENDMENT. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU. I THINK WE GOT A SECOND. >>COUN. DAVIS: YUP. >>COUN. BENTON: URGE YOUR SUPPORT ON THIS AMENDMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT IS 9-0. SPONSORS WE'RE BACK ON THE PACKET. I THINK YOU WANT TO CONTINUE. >>COUN. BENTON: I MAKE A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE. >>COUN. DAVIS: MOTION AND SECOND FROM COUNCILOR JONES AS A REMINDER I THINK YOU DID THIS WELL. THERE'S -- THERE'S GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. BUT THE CONTINUATION OF THIS HEARING ON THIS MATTER. WE DON'T OPEN FOR NEW PUBLIC COMMENT. >>COUN. BENTON: THAT'S CORRECT. >>COUN. DAVIS: FOLKS CAN SIGN UP FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. >>COUN. BENTON: AND FOLKS CAN WRITE IN TO US. >>COUN. DAVIS: AS MANY, MANY HAVE TODAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON NOTION FOR CONTINUANCE? COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I JUST WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND GET CLARIFICATION. IF WE CAN JUST MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL STAFF GETS THE CLARIFICATION IN CONTINUANCE TO CONTINUANCE AND DETERAL. >> MR. PRESIDENT, A CONTINUANCE IS PICK THE ITEM UP DIRECTLY WHERE WITH WE LEFT IT TONIGHT. BECAUSE PUBLIC COMMENT CONCLUDED THE FLOOR WOULD NOT BE REOPENED. MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE RULES IS WRITTEN PUBLIC COMMENT COULD BE SUBMIT ASKED COMMRIELD -- COMPILED. AMENDMENTS CAN BE DRAFTED BETWEEN NOW AND TWO WEEKS. JUST NO VERBAL PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE BILL ITSELF. IF FOLKS SIGN UP UNDER GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT -- UNDER GENERAL. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANKS. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE ARE HEARD. I VOTE FOR DEFERRAL INSTEAD. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. JUST AS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE HEARD THIS A COUPLE TIMES TONIGHT AND I DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE TO CALL OR EMAIL WITH MISCONCEPTIONS. SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS BILL. MS. SHULZ CAN YOU VERIFY THAT SOME >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN CERTAINLY. PROPOSED RESTRICTIONS OR REGULATIONS ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE NOT IN THESE. THERE'S A STAND ALONE BILL, I THINK IT'S O-23-69 SCHEDULED TO BE HEARD ON JUNE 21 THAT PROPOSES TO REGULATE SHORT-TERM RENTALS. THE IDO DOES NOT REGULATE SHORT-TERM RENTALS. >>COUN. PEÑA: I CAUGHT MYSELF AFTER I SAID IT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. COUNCILORS, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF CONTINUING THIS MATTER UNTIL THE JUNE 21 MEETING. RAISE YOUR HAND. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? 7-2. THAT MATTER CARRIES. THAT LEADS US TO O-77. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. O-77 IS ADOPTING THE CITYWIDE TEXT AMENDMENTS TO THE IDO FOR THE 2022 UPDATE. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR JONES. BACK TO THE SPONSOR. >>COUN. BENTON: WE DO HAVE AMENDMENTS IN OUR iPADS. I KNOW THERE'S PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK TONIGHT. TWO PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK TONIGHT. I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THEM AND WE CAN GET TO THE AMENDMENTS. >> CAN YOU GET US THROUGH PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE WE RUN OUT OF TIME? >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. FIRST UP IS EVELYN FOLLOWED BY PATRICIA. >> I WANTED TO COMMENT BECAUSE MY NEIGHBORHOOD, INEZ NEIGHBORHOOD IS UNVULNERABLE TO THIS. THIS IS BECAUSE HOFFMAN AND DEVELOPING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD MADE HORIZONTAL BACKYARDS. YOU COULDN'T PROBABLY GET AN ADU IN THERE EXCEPT FOR TWO OR THREE LOTS. WHAT IS VULNERABLE ARE THE LESS EXPENSIVE NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND US. HAUFTEN TOWN IS PARTICULARLY WORRIED BECAUSE THEIR BACKYARDS ARE VERTICAL AND DEEP. I'VE ALREADY HEARD FROM THEM. NORTHEASTERN HAS ALREADY FOUND THAT THERE ARE DEVELOPERS INQUIRING IF PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SELL THEIR HOUSES AND TURN THEM INTO DUPLEXES. IT'S PRIMARILY RENTALS, AND ZUNY, HAS 80 RENTALS. MOST OF WHICH HAVE OUT OF STATE LANDLORDS. THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO THE ADU ARE GOING TO NOT HELP. THEY'RE GOING TO HURT AND THEY'RE GOING TO SIMPLY PROVIDE OUT OF STATE LANDLORDS WITH MORE RENTALS. PLEASE THINK ABOUT THAT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. >> PATRICIA. I DON'T THINK SHE'S HERE. WE'LL GO TO PETER ON ZOOM. FOLLOWED BY ROSEMARY. >> HELLO, PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO OUR COMMENTS AT PARKLAND HILLS SUBMITTED. ON BEHALF OF MYSELF I WANT TO BRING UP TWO ISSUES. ONE HAS TO DO WITH THE HEIGHT CHANGES. THAT'S EXTREMELYCROLOGIST CRUCIAL BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE 20% THAT HAVE THREE FOOT WALLS, COW CAN GET AN AIRIANCE FOR SIX FEET. THAT'S ONE ISSUE. THE OTHER IS, CHANING PARKING REQUIREMENTS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA. IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT IT REALLY SHOULD BE THOROUGHLY RESEARCHED WHAT HAPPENS AND WITH OTHER CITIES. I WAS IN DENVER AND PARKING, IT'S ON STREET PARKING, MORE URBAN AND IT WAS CHALLENGING. PARKING FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLES DOESN'T MEAN THERE'S LESS VEHICLES. IF YOU CAN PLEASE GET RESEARCH DONE FROM OTHER CITIES. >> ROSEMARY. >> HELLO, AGAIN, MR. PRESIDENT, VICE-PRESIDENTS, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I SPOKE IN GENERAL COMMENT, SPOKE ON O-22-54. IN REGARD TO O-23-P 77 ADOPTING CITY WIDE TEXT AMENDMENTS TO THE IDO, I WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT THE AVAILABILITY OF TOWNHOUSES. INCLUING AREAS APPROXIMATE TO R1 AND RA ZONING DISTRICTS AND PROVISIONS THAT ENCOURAGE AND FUSALEITATE CONVERSIONS THERE ARE ALWAYS RISKS TO CHANGES PURPOSE. I HOPE WE COMMIT TO MAKING ALTERNATIVE RESOURCES WELL DESIGNED AND SUPPORTIVE OF FAMILY LIFE. GIVEN OUR LACK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING I BELIEVE THIS IS A SENSIBLE WAY OF TURNING SEMI ABANDONED INTO RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES. WE NEED TO DO ALL WE CAN TO ASSURE ALL RESIDENTS TO FIND AND AFFORD SECURE RESIDENTS FOR THEMSELVES AND FAMILY. I HOPE YOU WILL MAKE THAT POSSIBLE THROUGH OUR VOTE. THANK YOU. >> THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. WE HAVE FOUR MINUTES TO EXTEND OR CONTINUE. WHAT'S YOUR PREFERENCE. >>COUN. BENTON: IF THE COUNCILORS HAVE THE STOMACH FOR IT, I'D LIKE TO GET OUR AMENDMENTS. THERE'S ONLY FOUR OF THEM. >>COUN. DAVIS: NOBODY SAID NO. >>COUN. BENTON: I MOVE AN EXTENSION. HALF AN HOUR. THAT'S PROBABLY LONGER THAN WE NEED. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR JONES. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR TO EXTEND UNTIL MIDNIGHT. ANY OPPOSED? ADMINISTRATION. THEY GET THEIR WAY MORE THAN WE DO. COUNCILORS, WE'RE ON YOUR BILL. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I ASK MS. SHULZ TO GIVE US INTRODUCTION. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BENTON, I'LL GO IN ORDER THAT THEY ARE IN THE PACKET. B1, THIS RELATES TO LIGHT VEHICLE SALES AND RENTALS. WHICH IS LAND USE IN THE IDO. THIS AMENDMENT PROPOSES TO MAKE THAT USE PROHIBITED IF ALL OF THE THREE FOLLOWING CRITERIA ARE MET. ONE, THE LOT IS ZONED MXL. MIXED USE LIGHT INTENSITY. LOT IS ONE-HALF ACRE OR SMALLER AND IF THE LOT IS LOCATED ADJACENT TO DEVELOPMENT. ANY LOTS THAT MEET THOSE CONDITIONS WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PURSUE IT MOVING FORWARD. >>COUN. BENTON: AND MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, THE LIGHT VEHICLE ITSELF CAME FROM THE SPECIFIC CONCERN WITHIN MY DISTRICT WHEREAS WITH MANY OF THE OLDER CORRIDORS THE LOTS ARE PRETTY SMALL. IT'S CREATED REAL PROBLEMS. IT'S A FAIRLY LIGHT TOUCH ON THIS AMENDMENT. IT'S ON A VERY SMALL LOT WHERE IT HAS A HIGHER IMPACT. I'LL MOVE FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. AND AGAIN, IT READS ON PAGE 172 EXHIBIT A ADD NEW SPECIFIC STANDARD TO LIGHT VEHICLE AS FOLLOWS. THIS USE IS PROHIBITED IN THE MXL ZONE ON LOTS THAT ARE 21,780 SQUARE FEET HALF-ACRE OR LESS. AND THAT ARE ADJACENT TO LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. I MOVE THAT AMENDMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR BASSAN. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT QUESTION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE SAY YES. ANY OPPOSED? . THAT MATTER CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. BENTON: I THINK COUNCILOR LEWIS HAS HIS HAND UP. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, AMENDMENT B2 IN THE PACKET RELATES TO A PROPOSED NEW LAND USE. TEMPORARY LAND USE FOR FILM PRODUCTION. I BELIEVE IT WAS TWO WEEKS AGO THIS COUNCIL PASSED A STAY OF ENFORCEMENT AND DIRECTION DO COUNCIL STAFF TO CONTEMPLATE NEW LAND USE FOR TEMPORARY FILM PRODUCTION. AMENDMENT B2 DOES THAT. IT ESTABLISHES ZONE DISTRICT IN WHICH A TEMPORARY USE FOR FILM PRODUCTION CAN BE ISSUED. IT SETS STANDARDS THAT OFFER PROTECTIONS AGAINST THE USE. IT ESTABLISHES SOME PARKING ALLOWANCES. OFTEN FILM PRODUCTION REQUIRES THE PARKING AND TRANSPORT OF LARGE VEHICLES. IT FOLLOWS THROUGH ON ALL THE DIRECTION THAT R-23-130 GAVE STAFF. >>COUN. DAVIS: I'LL SECOND THAT. >>COUN. LEWIS: I MOVE AMENDMENT TWO. URGE YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT MATTER CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR BENTON, THIS ONE IS BACK TO YOU. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE. MS. SHULZ ASK FILL YOU IN. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BENTON, AMENDMENT B3 RELATES TO COTTAGE DEVELOPMENT. ALLOWED LOW DENSITY DRETIALZ USE IN THE IDO. THIS USE HAS A PARTICULAR REQUIREMENT THAT ALONG THE SIDE AND REAR OF ANY COTTAGE DEVELOPMENT THERE MUST BE A TEN-FOOT BUFFER IN BUFFERERS IN THE IDO YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO CONSTRUCT ANYTHING. THIS WOULD CREATE A PARTICULAR CARVE OUT FOR PATIOS OF NO MORE THAN 175 SQUARE FEET PER DWELLING UNIT IN A COTTAGE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT THAT A PATIO OF THAT SIDE PER DWELLING UNIT COULD EXIST WITHIN THAT REQUIRED BUFFER. THIS IS ONLY APPLICABLE TO THE BUFFER WITHIN A COTTAGE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. BUFFERS WHAT ELSE WHERE TO BE THE SAME. >>COUN. BENTON: I MOVE AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE. JUST ALSO, COUNCILORS, EMPATHIZES THAT THE PAVING MATERIAL SHOULD BE PERMEABLE. THIS IS INTENDED TO BE A LAND CAPE -- LANDSCAPE AREA. YOU CAN HAVE SPECIAL TYPES OF THINGS AVAILABLE. IT'S NOT JUST HARD CONCRETE OR BRICKS. URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF FLIER FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE IN THAT CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. COUNCILOR GROUT, I THINK YOU HAVE NUMBER FOUR. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR FOR O-23-77 IS A CONTINUATION FOR THE -- I'LL LET MS. SHULZ. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, THIS PROPOSES TO EXTEND AN EXISTING SUNSET CLAUSE THAT EXISTS IN THE IDO. WHEN IT WAS ADOPTED IT PROPOSED TO MAKE BARBED WIRE AND RAISER WIRE A PROHIBITED MATERIAL AND FIING MATERIAL. THERE'S A SUNSET CLAUSE ESTABLISHED OF FIVE YEARS TO SAY UPON JANUARY 1, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT SHOULD FORCE THE PRO PROHIBITION. THIS ADDS ANOTHER FIVE YEARS TO THAT SUNSET CLAUSE. SO BARBED WIRE WOULD CONTINUE TO BE AN ALLOWED MATERIAL UNTIL JANUARY 2028. >>COUN. GROUT: NEED A SECOND. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. ANY OPPOSED? THAT MATTER IS 8-1. WE ARE BACK ON YOUR AMENDMENT -- YOUR BILL AS AMENDED. O-77. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I THINK ANTI- CLIMATIC AFTER OUR LAST BILL. WE'VE COME A LONG WAY ON THIS. AND I DON'T KNOW IF ADMINISTRATION WOULD LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING. OUR ANNUAL UPDATE, THIS IS THE PART THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE EASY. IT HAS BEEN A LOT EASIER THIS YEAR. I THINK COUNCILOR JONES AND OTHERS WHO HAVE BEEN PART OF THESE UPDATES WOULD AGREE THEY'RE GETTING EASIER EVERY YEAR BECAUSE THERE'S FEWER THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO TACKLE. IT IS A PROCESS OF TRYING TO IMPROVE OUR ZONING ORDINANCE. AND I THINK THIS PART OF THE PROCESS WORKS REALLY WELL. EARLY ON WE HAD LOT OF AMENDMENTS BECAUSE IT WAS RIGHT OUT OF THE CHUTE. I APPRECIATE EVERYONE FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THE PLANNING STAFF IN THE CITY COUNCIL. IT WAS GREAT TO WORK WITH THEM. I DON'T KNOW IF MY CO-SPONSOR WANTS TO MAKE A CLOSE? NO. IT'S NOW 11:30. COUNCILORS, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER COMMENTS, I'M OPEN TO IT. OTHERWISE I'LL CLOSE AND URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: SEE NO OTHER COMMENTS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED? I THINK JUST TWO. COUNCILOR LEWIS, HOW DID YOU VOTE? OKAY 7-2. THAT MATTER PASSES. THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.