. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS SPECIALLY CALLED CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER. AT THIS TIME CAN WE HAVE ROLL CALL. >>BILL CARLSON: HERE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE. >>CLERK: YOU HAVE OF A PHYSICAL QUORUM. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA WILL BE JUST A FEW MINUTES LATE. COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN WILL NOT BE AT TODAY'S MEETING. I BELIEVE HE SUBMITTED A MEMO. MR. SHELBY -- AND COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK IS HERE. MR. SHELBY, DO YOU WANT TO GO OVER -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY. THE SPECIAL CALLED WORKSHOP AND PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE LIMITED TO THE SPECIALLY CALLED WORKSHOP. MEMBERS OF PUBLIC CAN ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL FOR THREE MINUTES AFTER PRESENTATIONS HAVE BEEN MADE. AFTER PRESENTATION ON EACH SUBJECT, ITEMS ONE, TWO AND THREE, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. GENERAL COMMENT AFTER EACH ITEM MEANING YOU WILL HAVE THREE OPPORTUNITIES TO SPEAK AT PUBLIC COMMENT. THERE WAS A REQUEST BY THE CHIEF OF STAFF FOR ITEM NUMBER 3 TO GO FIRST, BECAUSE THERE IS A -- THERE IS A POLICE FUNERAL. AS YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE -- ARE THE CHIEF AND OTHERS ARE DRESSED IN THEIR FULL -- FULL UNIFORM FOR THAT. WE WILL START WITH ITEM NUMBER 3. YES, SIR. CHIEF BERCAW, COME ON UP. >>LEE BERCAW: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL. YES, THANK YOU FOR ACKNOWLEDGING THAT DETECTIVE REYES DIED TOO SOON. HE WAS OUR AGE. WE WILL BE THERE HONORING HIM THIS MORNING. I'M HERE WITH MY TEAM, AT THE TEE CHIEF KATE, DEPUTY CHIEF OWEN, DIRECTOR OF LOGISTICS AND ASSET MANAGEMENT ADRI,NA COLINA AND DIRECTOR OF CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION, RICHARD MUDDERBACK. WE WORK TOGETHER AS A TEAM, TPD, LAMB AND CAD AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE THE FACILITIES THAT WE NEED FOR OUR CONDITIONS AND, OF COURSE, TO COMPLY TO OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT STANDARDS. PART OF THAT WE PRESENTED EARLIER THIS MONTH IS HAVING UP-TO-DATE FORENSIC TECHNOLOGY AND STORAGE AND PROCESSING AREAS. THE HOWARD AVENUE ANNEX WILL BE JUST THAT. WE ARE A PREMIERE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY WHERE THE MEMBER OF THE MAJOR CITY CHIEFS ASSOCIATION, MEMBER OF THE POLICE EXECUTIVE RESEARCH QUORUM, AMONG MANY OTHER AGENCIES. AND A LOT OF THOSE AGENCIES LOOK TO US FOR BEST PRACTICES. WE WENT TO OUR SISTER CITIES OF ORLANDO AND ST. PETE AND GLEANED A LOT OF BEST PRACTICES FROM THEM IN THIS PROJECT THAT WERE WE ARE PROPOSING. WE VACATED THE OLD IMPOUND LOT ON 34th STREET TO MAKE WAY FOR SOLID WASTE AND THEIR PLAN. AND THIS IS PART OF THE REASON THAT WE ARE IN THIS SITUATION; HOWEVER, WE STILL NEEDED UPGRADED FACILITIES. SO I WILL BRING UP AD UP ADRIANA COLINA FIRST AND THEN RICHARD MUDDERBACK AND DEPUTY CHIEF KATE FOR THE PRESENTATION. >>ADRIANA COLINA: THANK YOU, CHIEF. GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL. THIS ADRIANA COLINA, DIRECTOR OF ASSET MANAGEMENT. WE ARE IN HERE TODAY IN RESPONSE OF COUNCIL'S MOTION OF THE CHRONOLOGY WHAT OCCURRED FROM THE 505 NORTH HOWARD AND 5112 ALBANY SITE FROM ' 1 TO NOW. WE HAVE THE TIMELINE. I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU -- I LISTENED TO THE DISCUSSION THAT OCCURRED AS YOU MADE THE MOTION AND I HEARD WHILE YOU WONDERED MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS WERE INVOLVED IN THIS AND IN ADDITION TO THE TIMELINE. SO I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY EXPLAIN THE NEED FOR THE PARTNERSHIP AND THE ROLE EACH ONE PLAYS, PARTICULARLY MY DEPARTMENT, LOGISTICS AND ASSET MANAGEMENT IS COMPRISED OF TWO DIVISIONS. ONE IS FLEET MAINTENANCE, FOR THE ACQUISITION, MAINTENANCE, DISREPAIR AND MAINTENANCE OF ALL CITY VEHICLES INCLUDING POLICE AND FIRE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SPECIALIZED UNITS FOR FIRE. THEY PURCHASE THEIR OWN LADDER TRUCKS, AMBULANCES, ETC., BUT WE WORK ON THEM ALL. ON THE FACILITIES SIDE OF THE HOUSE, WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ENSURING ALL CITY EMPLOYEES, AGAIN, INCLUDING POLICE AND FIRE, HAVE SAFE, EFFICIENT, COMFORTABLE WORKING ENVIRONMENTS AND IN THE FIRE STATION'S CASE, WHERE THEY LIVE. SO FOR US, FACILITIES. "FACILITATE" BY DEFINITION MEANS TO HELP FORWARD, AN ACCESS OR A PROCESS. SO IN THIS, WE WERE PARTNERS WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IN THIS CASE, THEY WERE OUR CUSTOMERS. AND SUBSEQUENTLY WITH THE CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION DEPARTMENT MAKING SURE THAT WE USE THE RIGHT CONTRACTS, USE THE RIGHT MECHANISM TO HOUSE OUR POLICE UNITS AND THOSE BUSINESS UNITS BEST. AS WE BEGAN THE JOURNEY -- AND I WILL PUT ON THE ELMO -- FORGIVE ME, MY FIRST TIME USING THE ELMO AND I AM HOPING IT ALL COMES CLEARLY. WE -- IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT WE PARTNER WITH CITY COUNCIL -- OH, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHIEF. PERFECT. SO IN THE SPIRIT OF TRANSPARENCY, IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE COLLABORATE AND COMMUNICATE WITH COUNCIL AND WITH THE PUBLIC ON OUR PROJECTS. WE BEGAN IN JOURNEY AS CHIEF BERCAW MENTIONED IN MAY WHEN WE KNEW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS BEING DISPLACED FROM THEIR 34th STREET SITE, WHICH WAS AN IMPOUND LOT, BUT I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU, WITH THOSE VEHICLES ALSO COME EVIDENCE. SO THEY WERE SAVING AND STORING EVIDENCE THERE. IN GOOD PRACTICE, DUE DILIGENCE, WE VISITED THE CITY OF ST. PETE, ALSO IN MAY OF 2021 TO SEE WHAT THEY WERE DOING. THEY HAD RECENTLY BUILT A NEW STATION AND WE WERE LOOKING FOR BEST PRACTICES. WE SAW THEY COLLOCATED. THEY ACTUALLY CONTRACTED OUT THE TOWING AND THE STORING OF THE VEHICLES, BUT THEY COLLOCATE ALL THE EVIDENCE AND FORENSICS IN ONE SPACE. THEY HAD MODERNIZED EQUIPMENT ON STORING THAT EVIDENCE. EASY ACCESSIBILITY AND PROTECTING THE INTEGRITY OF THAT EVIDENCE. SO WE CAME TO COUNCIL AND WE SAID THE REAL ESTATE HAS IDENTIFIED SPACE ON HOWARD AVENUE THAT WE THINK WILL WORK FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT'S NEEDS. WE CAME TO YOU ON MAY 20 OF '21, ASKING YOUR PERMISSION AND ALSO SHARING YOU WITH OUR INTENT TO USE THIS SITE FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FOR THOSE BUSINESS UNIT SPACES. IN FACT, THE MEMO THAT WAS UPLOADED INTO SIRE SAID IN ORDER TO RELOCATE THE POLICE IMPOUND LOT AND OTHER POLICE FACILITIES. THANKFULLY YOU UNANIMOUSLY VOTED TO ALLOW US TO MOVE FORWARD AND TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH THE OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY AT THE TIME. WE ALSO KNEW THAT THE PROPERTY NEEDED TO BE REZONED. IT WAS ZONE ZONED RS-50 AND NEEDED TO BE COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE TO ALLOW FOR THE INTENDED USE. AT THE TIME, I MET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT, WALDS WOOD CIVIC ASSOCIATION. TINA WHO WAS PRESIDENT AT THE TIME. I WALKED THE SITE WITH HER. SHARED OUR INTENT HOW WE ARE LOOKING TO LOCATE THERE. THEY WERE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF IT. IN FACT CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO WAS CHAIRMAN AT THE TIME AND THEY SENT A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT, AND I CAME BEFORE COUNCIL DECEMBER 9, 2021. THE FIRST READING TO REZONE THE PROPERTY. AND I ALSO REFERENCED THE LETTER OF SUPPORT THAT WAS SENT BY THE WELLS WOOD CIVIC ASSOCIATION AND I ALSO SHARED THE INTENT OF THE SITE. ON JANUARY -- I MEAN ON JANUARY 13, 2022, WE HAD THE SECOND READING TO REZONE THE PROPERTY AND THANKFULLY IT WAS, AGAIN, UNANIMOUSLY VOTED UPON. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST A MOMENT. WHAT IS ON THE OVERHEAD. CAN WE HAVE IT PUT ON OUR SCREENS HERE INSTEAD OF THE OPERATING BUDGET WORKSHOP? THERE WE GO. PERFECT. YES, MA'AM, GO AHEAD. >>ADRIANA COLINA: OH, NO, YOU ARE FINE. I WANT TO SHARE YOU WITH ALTHOUGH IT IS NOT PART OF COUNCIL'S VOTE, BUT I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO APPRECIATE THE JOURNEY WE HAVE TAKEN. WHEN WE BEGAN THE JOURNEY, BRIAN DUGAN WAS POLICE CHIEF. IN SEPTEMBER OF '21, OF COURSE, HE RETIRED. AND REUBEN DELGADO TOOK OVER AS INTERIM CHIEF. AND MANY LEADERS ALWAYS COME WITH GOOD IDEAS AND NEW VISION, AND HE CAME WITH THE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE SAW AT THE ST. PETE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND HE SAID, IT JUST MAKES GOOD SENSE FOR US TO REALLY HAVE ALL OF THIS TOGETHER AT ONE SITE. FORENSICS EVIDENCE, THEY ALL WORK TOGETHER AND BEST PRACTICE TO HAVE THEM TOGETHER. SO WE WORK CLOSELY WITH OUR STAKEHOLDERS. AND IN -- PICKING BACK UP ON THE TIMELINE. ON DECEMBER 7 -- NO, YOU GOT THE LETTER FROM MISS HURLIS. DECEMBER 23, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, CONTRACT ADMIN AND LOGISTICS AND ASSET MANAGEMENT FACILITIES COMPILED THE RFQ DESIGN CRITERIA PACKAGE WE INTENDED TO SUBMIT FOR ADVERTISING. AND SO THAT WAS WHERE WE PUT IN ALL THESE BEST PRACTICES AND IDEAS WHAT WE WANTED FOR THIS NEW SITE. JANUARY 26 OF 2022. RUTH KATE, WHO WAS ACTUALLY THE CAPTAIN AT THE TIME AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS ASSIGNED TO THE PROJECT. ON JANUARY 28 OF 2022, THE CITY OF TAMPA CLOSED ON THE PURCHASE ON THE PROPERTY FRANK AGLIAN FIREWORKS GATOR, INC. TO $276 MILLION. I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY OF THE TIME PERIOD WE WERE IN. IT WAS 2021 AND 2022. JUST GETTING OUT OF THE PANDEMIC AND UNBEKNOWNST TO US ABOUT TO FACE SUPPLY CHAIN NIGHTMARES, A HUGE RISE IN CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND INFLATION. IN FACT NEW CONSTRUCTION IN FLORIDA WAS UP 40% WHILE NATIONWIDE IT WAS ONLY 13%. AND THE CITY OF TAMPA WAS NOT EXEMPT FROM THOSE RISES AND THOSE INCREASES. COULD, CONTINUING ON THE TIMELINE, ON OCTOBER 20 OF 2022, THE CITY OF TAMPA, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE DESIGN-BUILD CONTRACT THAT WE HAD HE SELECTED AND THE RFQ WAS INCLUDED IN THE PACKET GIVEN TO COUNCIL FOR $2.8 MILLION FOR THE DESIGN-BUILD CONTRACT AT THE TIME. AND INCLUDED IN THAT PACKET, LIKE I SAID, WAS THE RFQ. AND IN THERE, IN SECTION 2.02, IT SAYS "THE BUDGET TO EXECUTE AND COMPLETE THE APPROVED FUTURE PROGRAM SHALL BE DETERMINED AS PART OF THE DESIGN AND PRECONSTRUCTION EFFORTS." AGAIN, WE WERE IN THE BEGINNING OF OUR JOURNEY. AND SO AT THAT POINT, THE RFQ WAS ISSUED BY THE CAD DEPARTMENT, AND I WOULD LIKE TO TURN OVER TO KEEP US ALONG THAT JOURNEY THE DIRECTOR OF CAD, MR. RICHARD MUDDERBACK. >> RICHARD MUDDERBACK: THANK YOU, ADRI. GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL. I WILL BACK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT. AS ADRI STATED -- AND JUST AS A BRIEF INTRO, I AM GOING TO TRY TO SIMPLIFY A LOT OF DETAILS AND INFORMATION. A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THERE IS A LOT THAT GOES INTO THESE PROJECTS THROUGH DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION AND THE REALITY. SO I TRIED TO -- WE WILL TRY TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE -- SOME OF THE POINTS THAT WE ARE ALL AWARE BUT JUST AS THE PUBLIC HAS A REFRESHER FOR US AND THE PUBLIC. SO FEBRUARY 9, AS SHE STATED, THE RFQ WAS ADVERTISED STATE CURRENT FUNDING OF $5.3 MILLION WITH ADDITIONAL PROGRAMMING, PLANNING AND ESTIMATING OF COST FOR POSSIBLE FUTURE RFQ. PART OF THAT DESIGN CRITERIA PACKAGE, I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE -- SOME OF THE SCOPE FROM OUT OF THAT, PAGE 2 OF 12 OF THAT DESIGN CRITERIA PACKAGES REFERENCES FUTURE PROGRAMMING. AND I AM JUST GOING TO HIGHLIGHT THAT. SO THE INITIAL PROGRAM WAS ON THAT SECOND PARAGRAPH THERE, REMODELING MUCH THE EXISTING SINGLE-STORY 38,000-SQUARE-FOOT WAREHOUSE TO RELOCATE THE ENTIRE TPD FORENSICS UNIT FROM 34th STREET. AS PART OF THIS CRITERIA PACKAGE, WE IDENTIFIED A FUTURE PROGRAM THAT COULD INCLUDE REMODELING OF ADDITIONAL TO REINTEGRATE THE REMAINDER OF TPD EVIDENCE AND FORENSIC UNIT CURRENTLY LOCATED AT THE DOWNTOWN HEADQUARTERS. THAT WAS THE DIRECTION THAT THE FIRMS WERE GIVEN THERE. ON PAGE 6 YES, PAGE 6 OF 12. SECTION 2.2. BUDGET $5.3 MILLION AND BUDGET OF THE APPROVED PROGRAM DETERMINED AS PART OF THE PREDESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION EFFORTS TO BECOME A SUBSEQUENT AND SEPARATE REQUEST FOR RFQ. AND THEN AS MENTIONED, GO TO THE TO OCTOBER. AND THAT INITIAL AGREEMENT WAS -- WAS BROUGHT BEFORE COUNCIL AND PASSED 7-0. SO JAY COCALAKIS, SORRY, BEGAN THEIR JOURNEY OF THE DESIGN. IN JUNE OF 2023, PROGRAMMING, PROGRAM DESIGN AND COST ESTIMATION COMPLETED AND SENT TO THE CITY FOR REVIEW. AND THAT'S WHEN DISCUSSIONS BEGAN WITH ALL THE DEPARTMENTS, OUR CUSTOMERS, TPD, LAM AND THE FIRM. PAUSE THIS IS WHEN WE FIRST SAW THE ACTUAL NUMBERS OF WHAT THE ENTIRE THING WILL BE, JUNE OF 2023. CONCURRENTLY, WHILE WE WERE HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS AND REVIEWING IT, I JUST CAME ON WITH THE CITY JUNE OF THAT YEAR, AND BETWEEN MYSELF AND THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND BRAD BAIRD AND MY TEAM, WE WERE WORKING ON THIS EXECUTIVE ORDER 2023-7, AND WE LATER PRESENT IT TO THE PUBLIC AND TO COUNCIL ONCE WE HAD THAT ADOPTED AND SPECIFICALLY TO -- TO COMBAT THINGS THAT WE HAVE SEEN OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS WITH RISING COST AND THIS KIND OF THING WITH SOME OF THESE PROJECTS. SO ON NOVEMBER 28 OF 2023, THAT EXECUTIVE ORDER WITH THE ADMINISTRATIVE BLOOD HOURS WAS EXECUTED. BASED ON PROGRAMMING, CONCEPT DESIGN AND COST ESTIMATE, THIS PROJECT WOULD INVOKE A CARDINAL CHANGE WHICH -- SHOW YOU THERE. UNDER SECTION 5.2, WHERE IF THE COST OF A PROJECT TO INCREASE BY MORE THAN TWICE THE BUDGETED AMOUNT OR ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE ADVERTISED. NOW I WANT TO SHOW -- REMIND THE PUBLIC THIS CARDINAL CHANGE. UNDER SECTION 5.0. WE SAID THAT IF A NEW CC &N SELECTION AND PROCESS CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW WOULD OCCUR CASHED MALL IN MATERIAL CHANGES TO THE SCOPE OF A PROJECT AFTER ISSUANCE OF THAT DESIGN CRITERIA PACKAGE. AND THIS PARTICULAR -- AND 5.2, YOU KNOW, IF IT INCREASES MORE THAN TWICE. SO CONTINUING OUR DISCUSSION WITH STAFF AND THE DEPARTMENTS AND THE ADMINISTRATION, WE -- WE CAME TO THE CONCLUSION IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR THAT WE WOULD -- WE WOULD TAKE THIS PROJECT FROM A DESIGN-BUILD PROJECT TO A DESIGN BID BUILD SO WE WOULD BE FOLLOWING THESE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURES OUTLINED IN THAT ORDER. AND THERE WAS A LOT OF THOUGHT THAT WENT INTO THIS, BECAUSE THIS PROJECT WAS ALREADY -- A LOT OF MONEY SPENT ON THE DESIGN. AND WESTERN BETWEEN 60 AND 90% COMPLETE WITH THOSE DESIGNS. THE THOUGHT TO GO FROM DESIGN-BUILD TO DESIGN BID BUILD WOULD PRESERVE ALL THAT WORK THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN PUT IN AND WE WOULDN'T BE STARTING OVER FROM SCRATCH. AND LATER -- SO FROM JANUARY WHEN WE CAME UP WITH THAT DECISION THROUGH ABOUT APRIL, WE WERE HAVING A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS WITH THE FIRM. BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE FIRM, YOU NKNOW TAKING A CHANGE IN PROJEC DELIVERY AND AMENDING THEIR CONTRACT FROM THE ENTIRE DESIGN-BUILD TO NOW ONLY THE DESIGN TO BE AMENDED TO BE AMENDED TO MAKE BIDDABLE DOCUMENTS. A LOT OF DISCUSSION BETWEEN US AND THE FIRM. ONCE WE GOT THAT ALL CLEARED OUT, WE HAD INDIVIDUAL BRIEFS WITH ALL THE COUNCILMEMBERS AND ABOUT READY TO GIVE OUR GRADE A PRESENTATION WHICH THIS WILL BE A PART OF. AND THIS WILL BE COMING TO YOU SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THE CIP BUDGET REVIEW, AMENDMENT COMING BEFORE YOU THIS THURSDAY. AND EVENTUALLY A NEW CONTRACT WITH A BUILDER WHO IS AWARDED -- WHO WILL BE AWARDED THAT NEW CONTRACT. AND LIKE I SAID, THURSDAY, WE WILL BE BRINGING AN AMENDMENT FOR -- FOR THE FIRM COCALAKIS FROM A DESIGN-BUILD PROJECT, TAKE THOSE DESIGN PLANS AND MAKE THEM BIDDABLE DOCUMENTS. A LOT OF WORK THAT GOES INTO THAT BECAUSE NOW THEY ARE NOT THE BUILDER AND THEY NEED TO MAKE SURE EVERY SPEC AND DETAIL ARE IN THERE. THEY HAVE TO CLEAN THAT DOCUMENT UP BECAUSE GOING OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND THESE ARE SECURED FACILITIES AND CERTAIN THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE TO PREPARE THE DOCUMENTS IN THAT REGARD AS WELL. AND NOW I WILL LET DEPUTY CHIEF KATE SPEAK ON BEHALF OF TPD. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD MORNING. >> JUST A FEW FINAL THOUGHTS. SO WE -- AS CHIEF BERCAW STATED, WE ARE A PREMIERE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY AND WE ARE A PROFESSIONAL AGENCY, AND WE ARE CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH THE ACCREDITATION PROCESS. THERE ARE 14 STANDARDS OR ARTICLES THAT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS FORENSICS AND EVIDENCE. EACH STANDARD HAS ANSWER AS FIVE TO 25 ARTICLES THAT WE MUST BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH. THEY ARE ANYTHING FROM HOW EVIDENCE IS COLLECTED, PROCESSED, STORED, AND THAT HAS EVOLVED OVER THE YEARS. AND THE PERFECT EXAMPLE THAT I CAN GIVE YOU IS DNA. SO WE TALKED ABOUT -- I WANT TO PUT ON THE ELMO THE -- THE PACKAGING -- I WANT TO PUT THAT. ARCH AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE HAVE AND WHAT ORLANDO HAS. DNA IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE. TECHNOLOGY THAT IS NOW AVAILABLE SIMPLY DID NOT EXIST WHEN I FIRST JOINED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. WE NOW SEND OUT EVIDENCE TO BE TESTED THAT WE HAVE COLLECTED YEARS AGO. BUT THIS EVIDENCE HAS TO BE STORED CORRECTLY. IT NEEDS TO BE TEMPERATURE-CONTROLLED HUMIDITY-CONTROLLED, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE VIABILITY IS STILL THERE WHEN IT IS TIME TO BE USED IN COURT. LIKE CHIEF BERCAW SAID, OUR CITY IS GROWING. EVEN WITH THE BEST CRIME PREVENTION MEASURES THAT WE HAVE, THERE IS STILL GOING TO BE SOME CRIME. WE OWE IT TO THE VICTIMSO HAVE CLOSURE FOR THEM AND TO PROSECUTE THESE CASES CORRECTLY. AND PREVENT DANGEROUS OFFENDERS FROM FURTHER COMMITTING MORE CRIMES. WE TALKED ABOUT THE EVIDENCE STORAGE AND WHAT IT CURRENTLY LOOKS LIKE. EVEN WITH -- EVEN WITH STORING THE EVIDENCE, WE -- THE BEST PRACTICES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, WE STORE IT BY SIZE. WE CAN DO BETTER. WE CAN STORE IT NOW AND CATEGORIZE IT WHERE THE NARCOTICS -- WITH THE NARCOTIC -- JUST WITH THE DRUGS. WHERE HOMICIDE EVIDENCE IS JUST WITH HOMICIDE. AND SEX CRIMES ARE JUST WITH SEX CRIMES. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING TO DO. OFFICERS COME INTO OUR FACILITIES. THEY HAVE TO TEST THEIR NARCOTICS. THEY HAVE TO WEIGH THEM SEPARATELY. THEY HAVE TO SEPARATE A SMALL AMOUNT TO GO TO THE LAB TO BE TESTED AND PUT LARGER AMOUNTS TOGETHER TO BE STORED. WE DON'T WANT TO CO-MINGLE EVIDENCE WITH OTHER EVIDENCE. AT THE OLD HOWARD AVENUE -- AT THE OLD 34th STREET LOT, WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT HOW WE IMPOUNDED CAR THERE IS. BUT WE ALSO PROCESSED EVIDENCE THERE. WE HAVE BAYS WHERE THE CARS WERE PROCESSED FOR HOMICIDES. THEN NOT AIR-CONDITIONED. NOW THE HOWARD AVENUE FACILITY, THEY WILL BE AIR-CONDITIONED. THIS IS BETTER WORK CONDITIONS FOR OUR EMPLOYEES AND THE OVERALL COLLECTION PROCESS AND CASES. STARTING MAY OF THIS YEAR, I BEGAN TO MEET WITH COUNCILMEMBERS INDIVIDUALLY AND RICHARD MUDDERBACK ALSO JOINED ME AND EXPLAINED THE NEED. THIS IS NOT A WANT. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DESPERATELY NEED. ON JUNE 27, I PRESENTED TO COUNCIL DURING OUR GRADE 8 PRESENTATION THAT THE COST WOULD PROBABLY BE $40 MILLION FOR THIS FACILITY. COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I THINK YOU UNDERSTOOD THIS IS ONE OF THOSE NECESSITIES THAT WAS NOT A WANT. I REMEMBER HIM SAYING THAT SPECIFICALLY TO ME. ON AUGUST 5, CHIEF BERCAW AND I CAME BACK AND PRESENTED THE PROJECT AGAIN. COUNCIL AGREED THIS IS A PRIORITY FOR TPD. IN CLOSING, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT OUR PLANS ARE ALMOST 100% COMPLETE. AND WE CAN PUT THIS OUT TO BID AND START BUILDING RIGHT AWAY. THIS IS ALSO THE BEST OUTCOME FOR THE COMMUNITY AS WE CURRENTLY STORE EVIDENCE IN MULTIPLE LOCATIONS AND WE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED THAT. NOW COMMUNITY MEMBERS WILL ONLY HAVE TO GO TO ONE LOCATION TO CLAIM THEIR PROPERTY OR PICK UP EVIDENCE, THUS SAVING TIME AND MAN POWER AND EXPENSES FOR EVERYONE. THIS SAME GOES FOR OUR OFFICER IF THEY HAVE A SUBPOENA FOR COURT, THEY HAVE TO LOOK AT WHERE THE EVIDENCE IS LOCATED AND GO TO MULTIPLE EVIDENCE TO RETRIEVE IT BEFORE GOING TO COURT. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I KNOW THAT YOU UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. A AND THAT'S IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. THIS WAS MY MOTION. AND I APPRECIATE THE DETAILED REPORT. AND I JUST WANTED TO GIVE MY SYMPATHIES TO THE ENTIRE POLICE DEPARTMENT OVER THE LOSS OF THE OFFICER. SO I UNDERSTAND WHY WE ALL NEED TO GO -- WHY YOU ALL NEEDED TO TAKE CARE OF THIS. THE ISSUE TO ME WAS NOT AT ALL WHAT THIS IS. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FACT OF -- LIKE WHAT DEPARTMENT IT IS. THE ISSUE WAS -- AND IT WAS CLEARLY SHOWN IN YOUR TIMELINE, OTHER POLICE FACILITIES. YOU DO PROGRAMMING. NEVER DOES IT SAY "FORENSICS BUILDING." NEVER IN THE DESCRIPTION OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT DOES IT SAY "FORENSICS" UNTIL 2025. SO -- I AM JUST MAKING SOME COMMENTS HERE. IT SAYS -- THE FIRST YEAR WAS PURPOSE OF RELOCATING THE TPD IMPOINT LOT. THE SECOND WAS RELOCATING VARIOUS TPD OFFICES. NEXT WAS RELOCATING VARIOUS TPD OFFICES. ALL FROM THE CIP. I UNDERSTAND THAT FURTHER IN DOCUMENTS YOU MAY HAVE SAID, THIS IS FOR A FOR RENNICS BUILDING BUT THE PUBLIC LOOKING AT CIP DOCUMENTS WOULD HAVE NO IDEA THIS WAS A FORENSICS BUILDING. BECAUSE OF WHAT WE HAVE APPROVED IN THE PAST WHERE WE END UP SPENDING A TON MORE MONEY ON SOMETHING WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT, THIS FALLS IN THAT CATEGORY. THIS IS SIMPLY THE LAST -- THIS YEAR ALONE RELOCATING THE TPD IMPOUND LOT AND SEVERAL TPD UNITS. THE NEVER SAYS WHAT THE ACTUAL UNITS ARE. AND THAT IS WHAT, I BELIEVE, COUNCIL HAS AN ISSUE WITH. WHY -- YOU CLEARLY SHOWED IT IN YOUR TIME LINE. YOU NOT ONCE MENTIONED FORENSICS. I WOULD HAVE HAD TO -- OR EACH ONE OF US WOULD HAVE TO READ INTO EACH RFQ TO FIGURE THAT OUT. I THINK WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT TODAY IS NOT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, BUT OVERALL, HOW DO WE MAKE THIS CLEARER FOR BOTH THE PUBLIC AND COUNCIL SO THAT BY THE TIME -- I MEAN, YOU SAID VERY CLEARLY IN YOUR -- IN YOUR TIMELINE AND WHAT YOU SHOWED TODAY THAT MAY 2024 WAS THE FIRST TIME IT WAS PUBLICLY CALLED "FORENSICS." WHEN YOU CAME TO US. I THINK ALL OF US HEARD IT, AND WE SEE THE NEED 100%. I MEAN, I SAID THE SAME THING TO YOU. THIS IS NOT A WANT. THIS IS A NEED. BUT THE FACT THAT MAY 2024 WAS THE FIRST TIME IT WAS CALLED A "FOR "FORENSICS" IS THE ISSUE FOR ME AT LEAST. AND, AGAIN, FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW WHAT WE ARE SPENDING MONEY ON. FUTURE PROGRAMMING IS NOT DESCRIPTIVE ENOUGH FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS COMING, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT IS SOMETHING LIKE TPD. I DON'T KNOW ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A NEW FORENSICS BUILDING. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO PROSECUTE PEOPLE WHO COMMIT CRIMES. BUT THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE, ISSUE IS FUTURE PROGRAMMING. HOW MANY OF THE OTHER 150 CIP PROJECTS HAVE FUTURE PROGRAMMING IN THEM. OR, YOU KNOW, RELOCATING OFFICES. AND THAT IS THE ISSUE. IT IS TOO VAGUE. AND WE NEED TO FIND A WAY AS COUNCIL AND ADMINISTRATION TO MAKE THIS MORE SPECIFIC. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR. >>BILL CARLSON: I -- I MODIFIED COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S MOTION A WEEK OR TWO AGO TO ASK SPECIFICALLY THAT IT BE FACILITIES AND BUDGET STAFF RA RA RATHER THAN TPD SO IT WOULDN'T POLITICIZE IT. THIS IS REALLY AN ISSUE ABOUT -- NOT AS CHIEF KATE SAID, NOT ABOUT WHETHER WE NEED THIS OR NOT. IT IS THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT OF IT. MR. MUDDERBACK CAME IN PARTWAY THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND I KNOW HE WORKED HARD TO CLEAN UP THAT DEPARTMENT. MY PROBLEM WITH THE CITY IS THE CITY SEEMS TO BE TERRIBLE AT PROJECT MANAGEMENT. AND I DON'T KNOW WHY WE KEEP HAVING THESE PROJECTS THAT GO OVER BUDGET, BUT WE HAVE HANNA AVENUE THAT WENT GROSSLY OVER BUDGET. WHEN YOU ADD EVERYTHING TOGETHER, $220 MILLION AT THE VERY LEAST, $121 MILLION -- $$1 1 MILLION UP TO OVER 220 MILLION. FAIR OAKS THAT WENT FROM $5 MILLION. THE MAYOR ORIGINALLY PROPOSED $375,000 WENT TO $5 MILLION. OUR PROPOSAL WENT TO $40 MILLION, PLUS INTEREST IS $80 MILLION. THEN WE HAVE THE RIVERWALK THAT HAS GONE DOUBLE, TRIPLE BUDGET. WE HAVE THE SAFEGUARD IN THAT WE PROPOSED AND THE MAYOR AGREED IN HER EXECUTIVE ORDER TO BREAK THE CC &A LOOPHOLE IN ANA AVENUE TO GO AROUND AND TRY TO GET ANOTHER BID. AND WE HAVE -- AT LEAST FOUR PROJECTS NOW THAT HAVE GONE WAY OVER BUDGET. WHEN I TALK TO OTHER GOVERNMENTS, THEY DON'T EXPERIENCE THE SAME KINDS OF OVERAGES THAT WE DO. WHAT -- I THINK WHAT WOULD BE A REASONABLE CONVERSATION TO FIGURE OUT WHAT CAN WE DO IN STAGES. SAME THING WITH FAIR OAKS. NOBODY IS AGAINST WHAT IS GOING IN FAIR OAKS, BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE MONEY, YOU DO IT IN STAGES. WITH THE CRA WHICH WE CONTROL, AS A CRA BOARD, WE DECIDED INSTEAD OF -- INSTEAD OF TRYING TO BORROW MONEY OR USE SOME EXPENSIVE MECHANISM, WE ARE REBRINGING YBOR BLOCK BY BLOCK. WHEN THE MONEY COMES IN, WE PAY-GO AND CONTINUE WITH THE BLOCKS. SEEMS LIKE THERE IS A PROCESS YOU WOULD GO THROUGH TO PLAN THIS THAT DOESN'T COST SO MUCH. AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY PRESENTATION THAT SHOWS THAT ALL OF THE $40 MILLION OR WHATEVER IS JUSTIFIED, OR THAT WE NEED IT ALL RIGHT NOW. I 100% SUPPORT THE POLICE. I DON'T SUPPORT THE OVERAGE THAT THE PROJECT MANAGERS INSIDE THE CITY KEEP COMING BACK WITH. I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY SEEM TO BE DISCIPLINED BY MONEY. IF THIS WAS IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR WOULDN'T GO TO THE CFO AND SAY WE NEED ANOTHER $1 MILLION OR $5 MILLION. IF IT IS THE PRIVATE SECTOR, WE WILL SAY WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER $5 MILLION. WE CAN'T SPEND THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE $20 MILLION VERSION, THE $25 MILLION VERSION OR THE 40 MILLION VERSION. 40 MILLION VERSION IS FAIR OAKS OR RIVERWALK THAT WE WILL SEE ALL OVER AGAIN AND SPEND WHAT WE WANT TO SPEND. I HOPE THAT THE CITY FIX PROJECT MANAGEMENT AND BRING IN PEOPLE THAT KNOW HOW TO HANDLE BUDGETS LIKE THE PRIVATE SECTOR DOES. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I KNOW I MET WITH CHIEF KATE. AND IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECT, SHE WAS VERY EXPLICIT ON MAKING THE EXPLANATION ALL ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT SHE TALKED TODAY. I DON'T KNOW IF SHE DID WITH OTHERS, BUT WHEN I MET WITH HER, SHE EXPLAINED TO ME ABOUT THE PROBLEM THEY HAD IN FORENSICS. I THINK I ASKED HER -- I KNOW I WATCH "CSI" EVERY WEEKEND. JOKING AROUND I SAID THAT, OF COURSE. BUT WE CAN NOT BE A SECONDHAND DEPARTMENT UNLESS YOU HAVE A FIRST HAND GOING FORWARD. IN OTHER WORDS, IN THIS WORLD, COMPETITIVENESS, IN THIS WORLD WHERE GUNS ARE EVERYWHERE, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A -- BREAK INTO A CAR THAT HAS ONE. THEY SHOULD GET AS MUCH PUNISHMENT AS THE ONE THAT STOLE THE GUN. ALONG WITH THE SAME THINGS, SHE WAS VERY EXPLICIT EXACTLY WHAT SHE TALKED ABOUT TODAY. SO AM I SURPRISED? LET ME TELL YOU ONE THING I HEARD TODAY. AGAIN WE GO INTO INTEREST. AND AGAIN I AM GOING TO ASK THE AUDIENCE, WHEN YOU BUY A CAR PAY $30,000 FOR A CAR OR $60,000 WITH INTEREST. WHEN BU I A HOUSE SAY I BOUGHT A HOUSE FOR $400,000. OR $750,000 WITH INTEREST. NO ONE DOES THAT. MAYBE WHAT WE SHOULD BE THE STANDARD AND SAY THIS IS THE TOTAL COST OF THE PROJECT. I AM FINE WITH THAT. MAYBE THAT SHOULD BE AN EYE AWAKENING FOR ALL OF US IN THE CITY. WE HAVE TAXES ON COMING UP THAT WILL BE VOTED ON. LET'S SEE HOW MANY OF US REALLY VOTE FOR THE PUBLIC AND HOW MANY VOTE FOR SPECIAL INTEREST. AND THAT THING TO START WITH THAT TAX. FIRST OF ALL, IN THE BEGINNING OF THAT TAX, WHAT WE ARE GETTING BACK WHAT WE ARE PUTTING IN IS A LOT OF MONEY. WE ARE GETTING A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF A POPULATION COMPARED TO OTHERS, THREE ENTITIES WITH US IS FOUR, AND WE ARE BEING SHORTCHANGED BECAUSE A POPULATION KNOWING HOW MUCH YOU CREATE OF THAT TAX. THAT. THAT IS NUMBER ONE. YOU HAVE TO V VIGILANT WHAT IS GOING ON. YOU HAVE TO BE PREPARED AND UNDERSTAND WHAT IS COMING ON, AND WE MUST HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION -- COUNCIL IS RIGHT, ALL THE INFORMATION GOING ON. IF THAT WAS NOT CLEARLY EXPLAINED. I CALL MAYBE. I DON'T KNOW. BUT WHAT I AM SAYING IS, WHEN YOU CAME TO MY OFFICE AND TALKED TO ME. YOU TOLD ME EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS. DO I HAVE ANY FIGURES? NO. IF YOU WERE BUILDING A SITE FOR $750 MILLION FOUR YEARS AGO AND TODAY $1.2 BILLION, THE SAME THING EVERYWHERE. I DO LIKE IT? NO. YOU GUY A GALLON OF MILK -- WHEN I WAS A KID IT WAS $.25, BUT WE HAD A LOT OF COWS THEN. POPULATION HAS TAKEN OVER AND RISING IN MILK. ALL THESE THINGS ARE HAPPENING. A GALLON OF MILK TODAY IS HALF AN HOUR'S PAY TO 90% OF OUR POPULATION. THE CHEAPEST I HAVE IT IS $4.52. THE HIGHEST -- NOT HIGHEST I HAVE SEEN IT. EXCUSE ME. THE CHEAPEST IS $2.53. ONE IS A P, AND THE OTHER IS A W. YOU CAN FIGURE IT OUT FOR YOURSELF. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, GOOD MORNING. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO CLARIFY, TERRIBLE AT PROJECT MANAGEMENT IS NOT THE VIEW OF PROBABLY EVERY SINGLE COUNCILMEMBER UP HERE. I DO NOT SEE IT THAT WAY, AND I WANT TO STATE THAT. I KNOW YOU ALL WORK VERY HARD ON BEHALF OF THE CITY. AND APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DO SEE IS, YOU KNOW, I SEE PEOPLE STANDING BEFORE ME THAT WERE NOT HERE WHEN THIS PROJECT CAME TO LIFE IN THE VERY BEGINNING. SO WORDING, VERBIAGE, CHANGES, NEEDS CHANGE, SO I CAN SEE WHY THAT ALSO TOOK PLACE. INCLUDING FORENSICS, EVEN OF TODAY IS INTERESTING TO ME BECAUSE THAT -- WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, YOU KNOW, THAT PROBABLY FELL UNDER FUTURE PROGRAMMING OR FUTURE UNITS. SO WORD SOMETHING NOT WHAT IS AT PLAY HERE. IT IS REALLY FOR ME, WHAT DO WE NEED. DO WE NEED EVERYTHING HOUSED IN ONE LOCATION? YES, WEIGH DO. HOW MUCH DOES IT COST? COST $40 MILLION. THAT IS WHAT IS PRESENTED TO US NOW. I DON'T FEEL THAT IS HIDING EVERYTHING AND TERRIBLE FOR PROGRAM MANAGEMENT. WE HAVE NEW PEOPLE IN PLACE. WE HAVE A NEW CHIEF THAT TOOK OVER. WE HAVE A CONTRACT ADMINISTRATOR THAT HAS TAKEN OVER. WE ARE GETTING IT RIGHT. YOU ALL HAVE BEEN TRANSPARENT. AND I APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY NOW THAT WE HAVE ALL OF THIS INFORMATION TO SAY HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD. THERE HAVE BEEN PROJECTS IN THE PAST WHERE THE COMMUNICATION HAVEN'T BEEN CLEAR, BUT YOU ARE STANDING BEFORE US NOT TO BE POLITICIZED BUT TO ENSURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND HOW GREAT THIS NEED IS. SO I APPRECIATE YOU BEING PRESENT, EVEN IN LIGHT OF THE FACT YOU HAVE A VERY IMPORTANT FUNERAL TO GO TO TODAY, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF, YOU KNOW, WHY OUR POLICE NEED WHAT THEY NEED AND WHY IT IS IN THE COMMUNITY'S BEST INTEREST THAT WE HAVE WHAT YOU ARE ASKING FOR US. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU ALL. I GOT IN LATE. WHAT TIME IS Y'ALL'S FUNERAL AT? >> WE HAVE TO LEAVE IN ABOUT TEN MINUTES. >>LUIS VIERA: I WILL ABBREVIATE MY REMARKS. I THINK THERE ARE TWO SIDES TO THIS. AND WE CAN GO WITH ONE ANOTHER. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK IS TALKING OF A PROCESS SHE FEELS NEEDS TO BE FURTHER LOOKED AT FOR TRANSPARENCY. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WILL OPPOSE THAT. BUT THE LARGER ISSUE IS SOMETHING WE HAVE GOT TO GET DONE IN TODAY'S BUDGET 110%. I FEEL THAT BY HAVING Y'ALL HERE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE TO LEAVE FOR A FUNERAL, IT IS NOT FOR POLITICS SAKE, IT IS BECAUSE YOU HAVE CONTRACT MANAGEMENT AND A TPD PROJECT AND SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT. AS AN ATTORNEY, I DON'T DO CRIMINAL LAW, I NEVER HAVE. I HAVE NO INTEREST IN IT. CIVIL LITIGATION, PRESERVATION OF EVIDENCE IS EVERYTHING. I GET A CASE, PLEASE PRESERVE THIS, TWO-PAGE LIST OF PRESERVATION. IF THEY DON'T PRESERVE IT, THEY ARE DISPUTED. THEY ARE IN TROUBLE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO PAY MONEY OR LOSE MONEY, WHATEVER SIDE YOU ARE ON. WHEN YOU GUYS LOSE THINGS OR EVIDENCE GETS SPOILED, WHEN THERE IS SPOILATION OF EVIDENCE, GUESS WHAT HAPPENS? INJUSTICE. IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. SO THAT A IS WHY I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING VERY HAVE VERY IMPORTANT SO Y'ALL'S PRESENCE HERE IS VERY WELL TAKEN. THIS IS GOING TO PASS I THINK 7-0. AGAIN COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK IS TALKING OF A PROCESS THAT I AM SURE WE CAN ALL IMPROVE ON FOR TRANSPARENCY, ETC. BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I BELIEVE WILL PASS 7-0 ON THIS. THAT'S ALL. I ABBREVIATED MY REMARKS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. IS THIS GOING TO BE A COMPLETELY BONDED PROJECT? >> RICHARD MUDDERBACK: YES, SIR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PENDING THE CIT RENEWAL, WILL BE ELIGIBLE TO BE PAID FOR CIT FUNDING AT LEAST PARTIALLY? I KNOW WHEN THE CIT WAS INTRODUCED IN THE '90s, IT WENT TO SUBSTATIONS, POLICE SUBSTATIONS AND, YOU KNOW, OTHER PUBLIC SAFETIES ITEMS. WILL THAT BE HE WILL I BELIEVE? >> MIKE PERRY, BUDGET OFFICER. MOST OF THE PROJECT WILL BE PAID FOR BY THE BONDS, THE DESIGN AND THE CONSTRUCTION. WE HAD SOME INITIAL PROPERTY ACQUISITION THAT WE USED UTILITY TAX FOR VERY EARLY IN THE PROJECT. PROBABLY 09 TO 95% OF THE PROJECT WILL BE DEBT FINANCED. AS FAR AS THIS WILL BE PAID FOR BY THE POTENTIAL COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX? I THINK A LOT OF THAT IS GOING TO BE DEPENDING ON WHAT THE ATTORNEYS TELL US WE CAN DO AND THE TIMING OF THE PROJECT. I DO BELIEVE RICHARD SAID YOU ARE COMING TO COUNCIL THIS -- >> THURSDAY. >> THIS COMING THURSDAY FOR AN AMENDMENT. ONCE THAT AMENDMENT OF AMENDMENT IS DONE. HOW LONG IS THE DESIGN? HOW LONG WILL WE FINISH UP THE DESIGN? >> RICHARD MUDDERBACK:: TO FINISH THE BIDDABLE DOCUMENTS AND THEY ARE NEARLY 100% NOW. >> WE WILL SIGN THAT. DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THE TIME ALSO BE GOOD ENOUGH TO USE PAY-GO FROM THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX. BUT IF WE ISSUE DEBT, SOME OF THAT CAN BE RESECURITIZED AND PAID FOR BY THE CIT RENUFL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WISH PEOPLE WOULD NOT GET SIDETRACKED WITH THIS PROJECT. THE ISSUE IS HOW TO MAKE THE DESCRIPTIONS MORE SPECIFIC. I WILL ASK MR. MUDDERBACK TO COME UP. WHAT CAN WE TO DO MAKE PURE PROJECT DESCRIPTIONS IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT NO LONGER SAY "OTHER FACILITIES AND FUTURE PROGRAMMING." HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THESE ARE SPECIFIC? >> RICHARD MUDDERBACK: FIRST OF ALL -- RICHARD MUDDERBACK AGAINST. WE TRY TO BE SPECIFIC IN THE PROJECT TITLE. YOU GET INTO SCOPE -- A LOT OF THAT SCOPE ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE PROGRAMMING THAT IS BUILT IN "OTHER" IS ALL YOU CAN SAY BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO GET IN -- IF THERE IS NO FEASIBILITY STUDY AND NO MASTER PLAN AND NO ASSESSMENTS PRIOR TO, THAT IS BAKE INTO AS PART OF THE DESIGN. THE OTHER FACILITIES AND OTHER OPTIONS KIND OF LIKE, WHAT CAN WE DO WITH THIS SITE. THIS IS -- LIKE IN THIS CASE, THIS IS AN EXISTING SITE, AN EXISTING BUILDING. SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS AVAILABLE? WHAT COULD WE FIT IN THERE? UNTIL THEY GET IN THERE WITH THE DESIGN EXACTLY LIKE -- I MEAN -- THAT WOULD BE THE EXAMPLE HERE. I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR MORE. IT IS IN THERE, AS FAR AS IN THE DESIGN CRITERIA PACKAGE. WE TALKED ABOUT -- WE SPECIFICALLY BROUGHT UP EVIDENCE, BUT I UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY DOESN'T WANT TO GO TO PAGE TWO OF THE DESIGN CRITERIA PACKAGE. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS KIND OF MY POINT. IN FY '22, YOU SAYS IT SIMPLY A IMPOUND LOT. LATER IN FY '22, IN THE SCOPE OF SERVICES CLEARLY SAYS "FORENSIC BUILDING." MY QUESTION IN 2023, WHY IT WASN'T CHANGED TO IMPOUND FACILITY, FORENSICS AND OTHER OFFICES. IF WE KNEW IT WOULD BE SUCH A BIG PART -- IT WASN'T JUST OTHER IT WASN'T JUST OTHER -- EVEN AS FAR AS WE GET TO 2025, IT IS "AND OFFICES." IF FORENSICS -- AND NO, THIS IS SPECIFICALLY A QUESTION FOR MR. MUDDERBACK. AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO CLOUD IT WITH WHAT DEPARTMENT IT IS. THIS IS YOUR DOE MINUTE. AND YOU NEED BETWEEN YOU AND MISS COLIN TO TELL US HOW WE AND THE PUBLIC CAN TELL FROM THIS SPECIFIC DOCUMENTS, OTHERWISE, I AM HAPPY TO SIT HERE AND QUESTION EVERY SINGLE 150 CIP PROJECT. I AM HAPPY TO DO THAT. I AM HAPPY TO GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE DESCRIPTION AND SAY, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY "OFFICES". WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY "OTHER." BUT THAT IS NOT A GOOD USE OF ANYBODY'S TIME. >> RICHARD MUDDERBACK: I AM SORRY BUT -- MAY I? >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S WHAT I AM ASKING. HOW TO DO THIS IN THE FUTURE SO I AM NOT READING "AND OFFICES." WHEN YOU MEAN "FORENSICS." >> RICHARD MUDDERBACK: JUST FOR CLARIFICATION AND SOMETHING WE ARE TRYING TO BROADEN THROUGHOUT THE ADMINISTRATION, CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION HAS NO PROJECTS. WE HAVE NO BUDGETS. WE ARE A SUPPORT DEPARTMENT. TPD IS OUR CUSTOMER. WE WORK FOR THEM. SO WHEN THEY COME TO US WITH A PROJECT AND A NEED, THEN WE HELP THEM FACILITATE THAT PROJECT OR NEED. AND WE ARE THE ARM TO GET THAT OUT TO THE PUBLIC THROUGH RFQ, THROUGH THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS AND IN THROUGH DESIGN. BUT, I MEAN, SHE STEPPED UP TO THE PODIUM. YOU REFERRED TO IT AS OUR PROJECT. WE DON'T HAVE PROJECTS. >>LYNN HURTAK: MISS COLINA'S PROJECT. UNDER LOGISTICS AND ASSET MANAGEMENT. MISS COLINA, HOW DO WE DO IN THE FUTURE TO MAKE IT MORE SPECIFIC. >>ADRIANA COLINA: I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. IT IS UNDER MY DEPARTMENT BECAUSE ULTIMATELY WE WILL INHERIT IT, MAINTAIN AND REPAIR. BUT WE HAVE TO COLLABORATE WITH THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS. THAT'S HOW WE GET THERE. AGAIN AS MR. MUDDERBACK STATED, POLICE IS OUR CUSTOMER. SIMILAR TO REMODELING A NEW HOUSE AND BUILDING A NEW HOME. PARTNER WITH GENERAL CONTRACT AND OTHERS. IT IS NOT JUST ONE PERSON. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DELIVERING TO YOU WHAT YOU WANT IN THE END. THAT COLLABORATION NEEDS TO OCCUR. AND I WILL ALSO SAY, I THINK IN THE SPIRIT OF TRANSPARENCY WHICH WE ARE VERY INTENTIONAL ABOUT IS KIND OF WHAT HAS US IN THIS CONVERSATION. BECAUSE WHEN YOU START A DESIGN, OUR CUSTOMER, AGAIN, IN THIS CASE, POLICE, THEY CAN SAY WE WANT THESE STORAGE UNITS. WE WANT FORENSICS. BUT IT HAS NOT YET BEEN APPROVED. IN FACT WE ARE COMING BACK BEFORE YOU. SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT CRYSTAL BALL TO SAY THIS WILL INCLUDE A, B, AND C INDEFINITELY. WE CAN SAY "OTHER OFFICES" BECAUSE HAVING THAT DIALOGUE AND DISCUSSION. IT HAS NOT YET BEEN APPROVED. BUT EARLY ON WE PUT "EVIDENCE," I WANT TO SAY IT SAYS "FORENSICS" ON THE ELMO. AND THIS IS FEBRUARY OF 2022. IT DOES SAY "FORENSIC UNIT." AGAIN, THOSE WERE REQUESTS. I CAN ASSURE YOU THERE ARE OTHER REQUESTS THAT WERE MADE THAT IN THE SAKE -- OR IN THE INTEREST OF KEEPING COSTS DOWN, QUESTION WE TOLD THE POLICE, NO, WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO THAT. THEY WANTED INITIALLY TO PAVE THE SPACE WHERE THE IMPOUNDED VEHICLES WOULD GO. WE NEEDED TO MAKE SURE FROM A STORMWATER RUNOFF SPACE THAT WE WOULD KEEP THAT GRAVEL, BECAUSE WE WANTED THAT WATER -- THE WATER TO BE ABLE TO PERMEATE. THEY DON'T ALWAYS GET WHAT THEY ASK FOR. WE REALLY CAN'T TELL YOU IT IS GOING TO BE A PAVED LOT. IT IS GOING TO BE THIS. IT IS GOING TO BE THAT. BECAUSE IT REQUIRES YOUR APPROVAL. IT REQUIRES THIS VERY DISCUSSION. UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU THAT DEFINITIVE FROM THE BEGINNING BECAUSE PART OF A PLAN AND PART OF A NEED TO SAY, MAYOR, DO YOU APPROVE THIS? COUNCIL, DO YOU APPROVE THAT? IN THAT MOMENT WHEN WE COME BEFORE YOU THAT IS WHEN IT IS A, B AND C DEFINITELY. >>LYNN HURTAK: AND YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THE FORENSICS PART FOR A WHILE. IT SHOULD HAVE CHANGED IN THE DESCRIPTION ONCE YOU KNEW FOR SURE IT WAS FORENSICS. >> RICHARD MUDDERBACK: ARE YOU STATING SPECIFICALLY IN THE BUDGET BOOK? >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS WHERE THE PUBLIC GALLONS. >> RICHARD MUDDERBACK: WE HEAR YOU AND WORK WITH OUR PARTNER DEPARTMENTS TO MAKE SURE WHEN WE HAVE INFORMATION TO PROVIDE AS MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S ALL I AM ASKING. WE ARE NOT HERE TO REHASH THE PAST. THAT IS NOT MY GOAL. MY GOAL IS WHAT DO WE DO GOING FORWARD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL UNDERSTAND THIS AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE FOR EITHER ONE OF YOU, I AM NOT QUITE SURE WHICH, WHERE IS THE PLACE WHERE WE WILL BE ABLE TO KNOW -- LIKE -- AT WHAT POINT DO WE KNOW WHAT EACH PROJECT ACTUALLY ENTAILS? IS IT SAT THE RFQ POINT? WHERE IN THAT DO WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING TO ENTAIL? >> RICHARD MUDDERBACK: THE DESIGN CRITERIA PACKAGE? EVERY RFQ, AND, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF -- LET ME TEE. SORRY, I GOT A LOT SO EVERY RFQ THAT COMES OUT OF THE CITY LOOKS LIKE THIS AND GIVES A DESCRIPTION OF WHAT ALL IS INVOLVED AND TYPICALLY TRIES TO GET AN ESTIMATED BUDGET HERE. THIS PARTICULAR CASE WE LABELED THAT AS CURRENT FUNDING $5.3 MILLION AND A LOT TO FIND OUT AND STILL GOING AS YOU POINTED OUT, JUST AN IMPOUND LOT TO -- LET'S MOVE THE OTHER FACILITIES THERE. AND WHAT IF WE CAN MOVE ALL OF TPD THERE. WE WERE STILL -- AT THAT TIME QUESTIONED CURRENT FUNDING AMOUNT OF $5.3 MILLION. AS PART OF THOSE RAINFALLRFQs -- >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU ZOOM OUT A BIT. >> RICHARD MUDDERBACK: WE HAVE A DESIGN CRITERIA PACKAGE PUT TOGETHER BY A FIRM OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OR MY WONDERFUL ARCHITECTS THAT WORK WITH ME THROUGH CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION. WHAT GOES IN THIS PACKAGE IS A LOT OF INTERVIEWS, RESEARCH WITH ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS, WITH OUR CUSTOMERS TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE. AND THROUGHOUT THAT, YOU GET YOUR -- YOU GET YOUR SCOPE, PURPOSE. THERE IS THAT PROGRAMMING, INITIAL AND FUTURE THERE. MORE INFORMATION. AND THEN DOWN INTO. THEY ARE USUALLY -- I MEAN THEY CAN BE QUITE EXTENSIVE, BUT 10 OR 12 PAGES. LIKE IN THIS -- AND THEN WE GET DOWN TO BUDGET. A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE AND I UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE DON'T ALWAYS WANT TO LOOK THROUGH ALL THIS INFORMATION, BUT THIS IS JUST MORE FOR EDUCATION AND NOT JUST FOR YOU PEOPLE -- YOU GUYS -- BUT FOR THE PUBLIC AS WELL. EVERY RFQ. MOST RFQs WILL HAVE A DESIGN CRITERIA PACKAGE ASSOCIATED WITH IT AND THAT INFORMATION WILL BE IN THERE. THAT SAME CRITERIA PACKAGE IS LIKE THE INSTRUCTIONS GIVEN TO PEOPLE AWARDED THE PROJECTS. HERE ARE YOUR INSTRUCTIONS. IF AT ANY POINT WE ALTER FROM THOSE AND THAT'S WHERE -- AS COUNCILMAN CARLSON POINTED OUT, WE LEARNED FROM MISTAKES. WE LISTENED TO COUNCIL. SOME OF THESE THREE OR FOUR PROJECTS WE MENTIONED. AND NOW HAVE A MECHANISM IN THIS EXECUTIVE ORDER GROW FROM $5 MILLION TO $10 MILLION TO $20 MILLION OR $30 MILLION AND WANT TO ADD ON, SITE RELOCATIONS. ALL THESE OTHER ITEMS. WE HAVE A MECHANISM TO STOP, REEVALUATE, REBID, AND AT THAT POINT THE PUBLIC AND COUNCIL WILL BE PART OF THAT PROCESS AS WELL. WE HAVE THAT MECHANISM. AND THAT'S WHY I WANT TO CHAMPION OUR AMENDMENT COMING UP THURSDAY. OUR FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO USE THAT EXECUTIVE ORDER. >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM JUST WONDERING MAYBE WE REQUEST AN RFP OR RFQ UPDATES WHERE THE COUNCIL LEARNS OF THE RFQs AND PUBLIC LEARNS THEM TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE. I AM GOING TO THINK ON THAT FOR A BIT. AND MAYBE I WILL TALK TO YOU OFF LINE. BUT JUST TO WEIGH MAYBE QUARTERLY, WE CAN ALL FIND OUT WHAT THESE RFQs ARE. >> RICHARD MUDDERBACK: THE GREAT EIGHT. WE CAN PUT MORE INFORMATION INTO THE GREAT EIGHT OR I CAN PROVIDE A QUARTERLY -- >>LYNN HURTAK: I DON'T THINK THE EIGHT IS ENOUGH TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. 150 PROJECTS. IF THEY ARE OVER $100 MILLION, WE SHOULD HAVE A LITTLE RFQ INFORMATION TO FIND A WAY AND PERFECT IT. >> RICHARD MUDDERBACK: ON OUR WEB SITE THE RFQs ARE LISTED THERE. AS FAR AS -- LET ME SIMPLIFY. I WILL BE HAPPY TO HELP WHATEVER YOU CAN COME UP WITH. >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK WE CAN COME TOGETHER TO DO THAT AND I REALLY WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. I KNOW THIS -- THIS IS IT JUST THE BEGINNING OF A JOURNEY. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR COMMUNICATION AND WILLINGNESS TO TALK IT OUT. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, MIRANDA. WE HAVE TO WRAP IT UP BECAUSE THEY HAVE A FUNERAL. GO AHEAD, SIR. >>BILL CARLSON: MY COMMENTS ARE ABOUT PROCESS NO ABOUT THE PROJECT. MR. MUDDERBACK. I WANT TO EXPRESS THANKS AGAINST. YOU HAVE BEEN HERE 18 MONTHS OR -- >> RICHARD MUDDERBACK: SINCE JUNE OF LAST YEAR, 15 MONTHS. >>BILL CARLSON: YOU HAVE BEEN WORK HARD TO CHANGE THE PROCESS. I HEAR COMMENTS FROM PUBLIC. THE PROCESS BEFORE WAS NOT WHAT IT IS NOW. THE EXECUTIVE ORDER CHANGED A LOT. ONE THING THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND. YOU KNOW, I AM AGAINST ADDING MORE DEBT AND I THINK WE HAVE BEEN BONDING WAY TOO MUCH LATELY. AND I THINK IN THE CIP, WE SHOULD FLAG THINGS THAT INTEND TO THE BONDED, BECAUSE THAT SIGNALS TO THE PUBLIC THAT -- THAT IT IS GOING TO COST A LOT MORE THAN IT WOULD IF WE TOOK PAY-GO. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FLAG THAT, BUT I WISH IT SAID BONDING IN THERE SO THE PUBLIC WILL FIND THAT OUT LATER. I WILL MAKE UP NUMBERS, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO BUILD A HOUSE. THEY GO TO A CONTRACT I AND SAY, I CAN ONLY AFFORD $500,000. IF THEY COME BACK AND SAY, AS WELL, IT WILL COST $600,000, YOU CAN SAY NO, CUT CERTAIN THINGS OUT. WHEN FOLKS -- WHEN YOUR CUSTOMERS COME TO YOU, DO THEY GIVE YOU A BUDGET? WHERE DOES THE BUDGET COME FROM? HOW -- OR IS IT OPEN-ENDED? >> RICHARD MUDDERBACK: WE HAVE AN INITIAL BUDGET. IT HAS BEEN VERY DIFFICULT -- I KNOW YOU ARE TIRED OF HEARING IT. IT HAS BEEN DIFFICULT THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS. WE GET THAT $500,000 NUMBER AND GET BACK AND SAY WE WILL DO IT FOR $500,000. THEN THEY SAYS IT $550,000 BECAUSE OF X, Y AND Z. AS SOON AS WE GET THOSE NUMBERS WE GO BACK. WE WORK WITH A LOT OF GOOD FIRMS FROM THE AREA, AND OUR TEAM AND THEIR TEAM WORK VERY COLLABORATIVELY TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO VALUE ENGINEER, CUT CERTAIN THINGS WHERE WE CAN. LIKE I SAID, BY THE TIME -- BY THE TIME WE EVEN GO THROUGH AND WORK THROUGH CUTTING THOSE PROJECTS AND WE GET A NEW ESTIMATE, THESE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS RIGHT BACK WHERE WE STARTED BECAUSE OF ESCALATIONS. >>BILL CARLSON: AND -- WE WILL TALK ABOUT MORE OF THAT OFFLINE. THE -- BUT IF THIS PROJECT CAME BACK AND IT WAS $100 MILLION, WOULD WE STILL BE HERE TALKING ABOUT $100 MILLION. >> RICHARD MUDDERBACK: I DON'T THINK IT EVER WOULD EVER GOT -- >>BILL CARLSON: WHERE THE LIMIT. LIKE WITH A HOUSE, $500,000. I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE MONEY? WHERE DOES THE LIMIT COME FROM? >> RICHARD MUDDERBACK: THAT IS TALKED ABOUT INTERNALLY BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENT ACE BUDGET AND FEASIBILITY. IS THIS FEASIBLE. >>BILL CARLSON: 50 MILLION. >> RICHARD MUDDERBACK: THE CONFERENCE ROOM IF IT WAS $100 MILLION, THE DISCUSSION WOULD BE OVER IN 30 SECONDS. >>BILL CARLSON: THE OUR THING -- THANK YOU. I THINK WE NEED TO GET THOSE KIND OF NUMBERS TO 9 PUBLIC EARLIER. AS MISS COLINA SAID, IF YOU DO VALUE ENGINEERING, THAT IS IMPORTANT TO BRING TO THE PUBLIC TOO. OUR CUSTOMER, TPD WANTED BELLS AND WHISTLES, WE CUT THAT OUT AND THAT SAVED US $10 MILLION. THAT KIND OF THING IS IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND. WE ARE GETTING -- I AM GETTING A LOT OF FEEDBACK THAT WE SPEND TOO MUCH MONEY AND DON'T PUT LIMITS ON IT AND NOT CAREFUL OFF AND LET CONTRACTORS COME AND BID TOO MUCH. AND ALSO WE ARE PAYING TOO MUCH EARLIER. TO COUNCILMAN MIRANDA'S COMMENT ABOUT INTEREST. I THINK IT IS GOOD FOR US TO PUT A CLOSURE OF THE TOTAL COST OF A PROJECT. IF YOU MAKE A MOTION, I WILL SUPPORT IT. YOU KNOW WHEN YOU BUY A HOUSE, A FULL DISCLOSURE FORM THAT HAS THE TOTAL COST, CLOSING COST, TITLE INSURANCE, EVERYTHING. AND THE INTEREST. AND YOU SEE WHAT YOU WILL BE PAYING THROUGH THE WHOLE TIME. AND WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT? ON A BUILDING LIKE HANNA AVENUE, IF YOU -- IF YOU TAKE $121 MILLION AND DIVIDE IT BY 30 YEARS, HOWEVER MANY MONTHS THAT IS, YOU CAN -- YOU CAN COMPARE THAT NUMBER TO HOW MUCH YOU WOULD PAY IN RENT. THAT WILL NOT GIVE YOU AN ACCURATE NUMBER. THE MOST ACCURATE NUMBER IS INCLUDES THE INTEREST AND O&M. YOU PAY THAT AMOUNT OF O AND M IN RENT. WHAT THE ESCALATION COSTS ARE. THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN LOOK AT APPLES-TO-APPLES IS TO LOOK AT THE TOTAL COST OF IT AND THE SAME THING THE PUBLIC SHOULD DO. IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUY AN AFFORDABLE HOME FOR THE FIRST TIME GO THROUGH CLASSES FHA APPROVED AND TEACH PEOPLE NOT TO JUST LOOK AT THE PRINCIPAL BUT LOOK AT INTEREST AND INSURANCE. AND ALL THE OTHER INDIVIDUAL COSTS. IT IS IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THAT AND WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT. IT IS TO BE PUNITIVE IN ANY WAY, TO HAVE THE TOTAL COST TO THE PUBLIC. DO PAY-GO LIKE THE BRICKS IN YBOR CITY, IT WILL BE BETTER THAN BORROWING MONEY. IF WE BORROW MONEY, WE NEED TO SHOW IT? LASTLY, WHAT ARE WE DOING OF THE TREES ON THIS SITE? >> SO WE HAD AN ARBORIST COME IN AND EXAMINE ALL THE TREES. THE GRAND OAKS WILL ALL REMAIN. THAT WAS PART OF THE PROCESSES. YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT REALLY TRYING TO BE IN THE IMPOUND BUSINESS ANYMORE. SO WE ARE TRYING TO OUTSOURCE THAT TO PRIVATE BUSINESSES. SO WE WILL NOT BE STORING AS MANY VEHICLES AT THIS NEW FACILITY. ALTHOUGH THE 34th STREET PROJECT IS PRIMARILY CALLED THE IMPOUND LOT, WE DID A LOT OF EVIDENCE STORAGE THERE AND WE HAD SMALL FORENSIC PROCESSING THERE. WE WILL BRING THAT ALL TO HANNA, BUT THE GRAND OAKS WILL ALL STAY. ARBORIST STUDY IS DONE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT INBOUND LOT. THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO, ALL THE WRECKER PEOPLE IN THE ROTATION REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR FUTURE BECAUSE A RUMOR -- I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS FACTUAL -- THAT IT WAS ALL GOING TO GO TO ONE WRECKER COMPANY. THEN IN MY MIND, I AM ASSUME WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IS THE STORAGE OF THOSE IMPOUND CARS THAT YOU NEED FOR FORENSIC EVIDENCE TO ONE COMPANY ONLY. AM I RIGHT OR WRONG? >> THAT'S CORRECT. THE ROTATION IMPOUND DID NOT CHANGE AT ALL. WE ARE RENTING. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: A COMPANY WITH A C -- IT WASN'T "CHARLIE." I ASSUME WE HAVE THE ROTATION GOING ON ON OTHER VEHICLES? >> YES, WE DO. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO GET THAT CLEAR AND I AM SURE THEY ARE LISTENING AND IRI DON'T WANT ANY CONFUSION AND IT BECAME A STORAGE AREA BECAUSE YOU, WHAT? PROFESSIONALIZED YOUR ORGANIZATION AND NECESSITY WHEN YOU GO TO COURT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. PUBLIC COMMENT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>GWEN HENDERSON: CAN YOU STATE THE NAME OF THE OFFICER PASSED AWAY. >>LEE BERCAW: RETIRED DETECTIVE RAY ESTEVEZ. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM, COME ON UP AND STATE YOUR NAME. >> WHEN MYSELF -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> HI, I AM STEPHANIE POYNOR. WHEN GO LOOKING FOR A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA, THIS IS WHERE I GO. PLEASE NOTE, THERE IS ONE FACILITY MANAGEMENT PROCESS. THAT IS HANNA STREET. AND THERE IS ONE FIRE PROJECT. THERE IS NO TPD PROJECTS. SO I -- I KEEP LOOKING HERE FOR PROJECTS, AND I CAN'T FIND WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR. THERE IS NO SOLID WASTE PROJECT HERE. WHY? IF THIS IS WHERE WE ARE SUPPOSED TO GO TO FIND OUT WHAT WE ARE SPENDING OUR GIANT POTS OF MONEY ON. WHY IS IT NOT IN HERE? AND WHEN COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK IS ASKING WHY? THIS SAYS 162 PROJECTS. BUT I LISTED OFF TWO OR THREE THAT AREN'T EVEN ON THIS LIST. WHY DO WE HAVE THIS WEB SITE IF WE ARE NOT GOING TO PUT THE INFORMATION IN THERE. AND THAT CIP LIST YOU WERE GIVEN AT THE LAST MEETING THAT HAD THE NEWS OVER TO THE LEFT, THOSE AREN'T IN HERE EITHER -- MOST OF THEM. WHY DO WE HAVE THIS? I WANT TO POINT OUT BECAUSE REAL HARD FOR THE PUBLIC NO KNOW SOMETHING WHEN WE CAN'T FIND IT. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT COUNCILMAN VIERA HAS ASKED AT LEAST 100 TIMES AND I HEARD IT FROM SOMEBODY ELSE TOO. PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN. IF WE HAD A PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN, THAT WOULD KIND OF INCLUDE THE BUILDINGS, WOULDN'T IT? I COULD BE WRONG, I JUST -- I ALWAYS END UP UP HERE WITH QUESTIONS. MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT REZONING AND WELLS WOOD SIGNING OFF ON THIS DOESN'T HAVE A DAMN THING TO DO WITH HOW MUCH MONEY YOU ARE GOING TO SPEND ON IT. IT MEANS THEY ARE OKAY WITH THE PROJECT. IT MEANS THE REZONING WAS OKAY WITH THE PROJECT. IT DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH HOW MUCH MONEY IT WAS. AND I GUARANTEE YOU, IF YOU TOLD THEM THAT WE HAVE SPENT $330ISH MILLION DOLLARS IN CAPITAL PROJECTS OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS SINCE THIS WAS REZONED AND OKAYED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I QUARANTINE YOU, THEY WILL TELL YOU THAT -- GUARANTEE YOU THAT THEY WILL TELL YOU, WAIT A MINUTE, GONE DOWN THIS ROAD. YELLOW BRICK ROAD. THIS IS THE FIRST STEP ON THE YELLOW BRICK ROAD. THIS IS WHERE WE ARE GOING TO COME BACK. I AM SO CONFUSED. THIS GENTLEMAN TOLD US -- I DIDN'T GET HIS NAME BECAUSE I WAS BUSY WRITING DOWN THE FACTS. THIS GENTLEMAN TOLD US ALMOST 100% DONE AND COMING BACK AND ASKING FOR MORE MONEY. WHY DO THEY NEED MORE MONEY IF IT IS ALMOST DONE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS. IF I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS, GO FIND SOMEBODY ELSE WHO DOES, WHO DOESN'T WORK HERE. NEXT. PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACT FEES. YOU KNOW 2021, YOU WERE ASKED -- PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACT FEE. THAT WOULD HAVE PAID FOR PART OF THAT HAD WE HAD IT IN THE THING. AND WE SPENT $276 MILLION ALREADY, BUT WE NEED ANOTHER MILLION -- AND OH, 40%. IF OUR -- IF OUR CONSTRUCTION COSTS WENT UP 40% AND WE ORIGINALLY ESTIMATED AT 5.3%, THAT WILL MAKE IT $7.4 MILLION. NOT 40 MILLION. NOT $40 MILLION. WE NEED THESE FACILITIES BUT WE NEED TO GET OUR HEADS OUT OF OUR BEHINDS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEXT IS ITEM 1, COUNCIL TO DISCUSSION THE 2025 OPERATING FISCAL BUDGET. WHO WILL SPEAK IN MR. ROGERO, COME ON UP, SIR, AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >>DENNIS ROGERO: GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL. DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT. GO AHEAD, SIR. >>LUIS VIERA: I HAVE A QUESTION. JUST FOR PURPOSES OF TIME, DO THE COUNCIL RULES THAT WE ADOPTED, DO THEY APPLY TO WORKSHOP AS SOON AS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT A SENSE. >>LUIS VIERA: FIVE MINUTES, THREE MINUTES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THEY HAVE THE TIMER ON. >>LUIS VIERA: LOOKING SUNDAY SECTION H, COUNCIL SHALL LIMIT TIME OF AN AGENDA ITEM TO BE NO LONGER THAN FIVE MINUTES IN THE FIRST GO AROUND, THREE MINUTES IN THE SECOND GO AROUND, AND COUNCILMEMBERS SHOULD REFRAIN SPEAKING TWO IS IN THE SAME SUBJECT MEETING. MR. SHELBY, AGAIN, IF WE ARE GOING TO ENFORCE RULES, WE SHOULD ENFORCE RULES. ALL I AM SAYING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, SIR, MR. ROGERO. GO AHEAD, SIR. >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL. DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US AGAIN TO TALK OF THE FISCAL '25 BUDGET. THE OPERATING BUDGET. AGAIN, AS ALWAYS, I APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAD AMONGST US SINCE THE PRESENTATION OF THE BUDGET AND THE CIP WORKSHOP TWO WEEKS AGO AND THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE HAD WITH YOUR BUDGET ANALYST. AGAIN, YOU SEE THE MAYOR'S EXECUTIVE TEAM IS HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. I HAVE A VERY BRIEF PRESENTATION. VERY SIMILAR TO THE CIP WORKSHOP A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, IF IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, GO AHEAD, SIR. >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU. IF I CAN HAVE THE PRESENTATION UP PLEASE. THANK YOU. AND AGAIN, A QUICK REFRESH OF SOME OF THE SLIDES AND DISCUSSIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE BUDGET PRESENTATION BACK IN JULY. TWO VERY IMPORTANT DRIVERS THAT -- THAT WE JUST TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT AND WILL DISCUSS LATER ON IN THE DAY, THE POLICE AND FIRE EXPENSES OF JUST UNDER $390 MILLION. ON THE LEFT. WE LIKE TO EMPHASIZE IT BECAUSE THEY ARE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT SERVICES AND THEY ARE VERY, VERY LARGE PORTIONS OF THE GENERAL FUND ANOTHER LARGE PORTION OF THE GENERAL FUND ON THE RIGHT IS HOW WE FUND THESE SERVICES, AND THESE ARE THE TOTAL TAXES WE ANTICIPATE FOR FISCAL YEAR '25. 354 PLUS -- SORRY, MA'AM, QUESTION? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK ASKED ME IF HE SHOULD HAVE FIVE MINUTES AS WELL TO DO HIS PRESENTATION FOR THE WORKSHOP. >>LYNN HURTAK: IF WE ARE GOING TO FOLLOW THE FIVE MINUTES ONLY. I WANT TO EXTEND HIS TIME FOR WHATEVER HE NEEDS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY. JUST AS A GENERAL RULE, HISTORICALLY CUSTOMARILY COUNCIL'S WORKSHOPS HAVE NOT BEEN AS FORMAL AS THE RULES AS THEY THEY APPLY TO A REGULAR MEETING BUT CERTAINLY YOU CAN INQUIRE AS TO HOW MUCH TIME A STAFF NEEDS FOR ITS PRESENTATION AND THEN ADJUST THE TIME IF THEY NEED ACCORDINGLY. AND IF COUNCIL'S RULES WISH TO BE STRICTLY FOLLOWED, IT WILL BE INCUMBENT UPON THE CHAIR TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT BY POINTS OF ORDER. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS IT WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE TO STOP HALFWAY THROUGH HIS PRESENTATION. BECAUSE IF WE ARE GOING TO MAKE THAT, THEN -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: FOR PURPOSES OF TIME PLANNING, YOU MAY WANT TO INQUIRE EVEN IN ADVANCE, MR. CHAIRMAN, EVEN IN ADVANCE TO KNOW HOW LONG A PRESENTATION WOULD RUN. IF YOU WISH TO INQUIRE ABOUT HOW LONG THE PRESENTATION IS JUST FOR GENERAL PLANNING PURPOSES, TIME MANAGEMENT, THEN UNININQUIRE, IF YOU WISH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: M MR. AREOGEROR, I HAVE A QUESTION. HOW LONG WILL YOU NEED FOR THIS PRESENTATION? >> ABOUT FIVE MINUTES. HA HALF A DOZEN SLIDES. I THOUGHT THAT THE WORKSHOP WOULD BE A CONVERSATION AND DIALOGUE WITH CITY COUNCIL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, GO AHEAD. >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. WE HIGHLIGHT THIS -- IT IS ANECDOTAL AGAIN, BUT TALKING TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AND AS MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY I TYPICALLY ASSOCIATE PROPERTY TAXES IF ONING GOVERNMENT. AS WE KNOW AND THE PUBLIC KNOWS MUCH MORE TO IT THAN THAT. TO THE RIGHT, WE HAVE TO TRANSFER OVER TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AGENCIES JUST A LITTLE OVER $300 MILLION. AND OBVIOUSLY INSUFFICIENT TO FUND POLICE AND FIRE BY THEMSELVES. AND WE HAVE OTHER REVENUES THAT WE BRING -- BRING TO BEAR TO FUND POLICE AND FIRE, PUBLIC SAFETY AND THE OTHER GENERAL FUND AGENCIES. AGAIN, AN EMPHASIS ON OUR FUND BALANCE, SPECIFICALLY OUR UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE. AGAIN, WE ALWAYS APPRECIATE COUNCIL'S VERY STRONG SUPPORT OF THESE LEVELS. AND AS WE MENTIONED AND CONTINUE TO MENTION, A VERY IMPORTANT METRIC WHEN IT COMES TO CREDIT RATING AGENCIES AND FINANCIAL HEALTH BENCHMARKS. AS ALWAYS TO MAINTAIN THE SAME PROPORTION THAT 23%, 24%. IT IS NECESSARY -- SORRY, I LOST IT -- DID YOU ALL LOSE IT? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THERE IT IS. >>DENNIS ROGERO: THERE IT IS. INCREASE IT OVER TIME AS THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET INCREASES OVER TIME. WE PLAN FOR THIS. AND YOU SEE WE ANTICIPATE IT IS STILL GOING TO BE 23%, WELL OVER OUR 20% POLICY AS ALWAYS. AND AS YOU SEE HAS BEEN THE HISTORY. IT IS APPROXIMATELY $19 MILLION OVER OUR 20% POLICY. AS I SAID BEFORE AND HAPPY TO SAY AGAIN, THIS PAINTS A VERY FINANCIALLY NICE AND STABLE PICTURE. I BELIEVE I COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL IN NOVEMBER, IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN, TO FURTHER DISCUSS FUND BALANCE PROJECTIONS AND ACTUALS. IN A FEW MONTHS, WE WILL BE DISCUSSING THIS IN A MUCH MORE DETAIL. COUNCIL WILL RECALL THIS SLIDE FROM THE BUDGET PRESENTATION LAST MONTH WHERE WE BREAK THE GENERAL FUND REVENUES DOWN, HIGHLIGHTING THE MAJORITIES. OPINION AGAIN ROAR PROPERTY TAXES, $20 MILLION. NOT INSIGNIFICANT, BUT SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN WE INDIVIDUALLY PRESENTED AND WE TALKED OF THE INCREASE BEING SUBSTANTIALLY LESS THAN OTHERS FOR OTHER LOCALITIES. I BELIEVE I TALKED TODAY OTHER AND MISCELLANEOUS REVENUES, BUT WE HAVE BEEN ASKED TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DETAIL AND BREAKDOWN AND YOU SEE THAT PROVIDED HERE ON THIS SLIDE. AGAIN PROPERTY TAXES AT THE TOP. I WOULD HIGHLIGHT THE TRANSFER FROM THE UTILITY TAXES SERVICE FUND AT $14.7 MILLION. WITHOUT GETTING TOO WONKEST WE ARE A BY THE IDIOSYNCRATIC IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, WE TREAT THE TAX FUND AND THE GENERAL FUND AND ESSENTIALLY ONE LARGE GENERAL FUND, SO YOU HAVE A INTRAFUND TRANSFER OF NEARLY $15 MILLION. AS WE TAKE THAT FUNDING AND INCORPORATE IT INTO THE GENERAL FUND. WE HAVE DONE THAT FOR DECADES. WE ARE A LITTLE UNIQUE IN THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A GENERAL FUND MADE UP OF ESSENTIALLY FROM A REAL-LIFE, REAL-WORLD PERSPECTIVE OF TWO FUNDS. THIS WILL BE LIKE -- LIKE TO JUST PERHAPS SOCIALIZE CHANGING THAT IN THE FUTURE. WE HAVE ATTEMPTED TO DO SO IN THE PAST WITHOUT SUCCESS. IT LEADS TO A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION WHEN WE ARE TRYING TO EXPLAIN. EVEN WITHIN THE CITY AND THE PUBLIC HOW WE HAVE TO MOVE FUNDING BACK AND FORTH. AND IF YOU MOVE $1 MILLION AND RECOGNIZE IT IN ONE FUND AND MO OF IT TO ANOTHER FUND, ALL OF A SUDDEN IT WILL BE $2 MILLION. I WILL GET OFF MY SOAPBOX NOW. MOST OF THE OTHER REVENUES ARE PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY, FRANCHISE FEES AND THE CIRCUMSTANCES STANCES LEADING TO THOSE INCREASES. GOING DOWN THE LIST AND COME BACK TO IT. GO DOWN TO THE BOTTOM, THE USE OF THE ASSIGNED RESERVES. AS COUNCIL KNOWS, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF ASSIGNED RESERVES FOR DIFFERENT PURPOSES. CLAIMS AND JUDGMENTS, FOR EXAMPLE. WE HAVE ASSIGNED RESERVE FOR OUR HURRICANE FUND. WE HAVE AN ASSIGNED RESERVE FOR HEALTH CARE. THE PURPOSE OF THOSE ASSIGNED RESERVES ARE TO, OF COURSE, BUTTRESS US AGAINST UNFORESEEN EVENTS. RECENT EXAMPLE IS THE DUBAI SETTLEMENT. $9 MILLION AND WE OWN MMR. DUBOIS $5 MILLION IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS. AGAIN, THE PRIMARY PURPOSE IS TO BUTTRESS NOT ONLY OUR FINANCES FOR BLACK SWAN EVENTS, ETC. BUT TO KEEP THAT UNASSIGNED BALANCE, THAT MAGIC 23% SAFE. AND YOU SEE OUR NECESSARY USE OF IT AGAIN IN THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. TOTALS $57.4 MILLION OF THE PREVIOUS SLIDE DURING THE BUDGET PRESENTATION, WE PROVIDED COUNCIL A VERY HIGH LEVEL REVIEW OF EXPENSES -- I SKIPPED AHEAD OF THE SLIDE THERE, THE $57.4 MILLION. SINCE THAT TIME, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAS ASKED THAT WE HAVE DETAIL AVAILABLE FOR THOSE -- THERE IS MY GREEN HIGHLIGHT -- FOR THOSE BUDGET INCREASES THAT INCREASED COSTS. INCREASED LEVEL OF SERVICES AND NEW SERVICES FAR TOO MANY LINE ITEMS FOR A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, SO WE PROVIDED THAT TO YOU HARD COPY IDENTIFIED BY DEPARTMENTS SO YOU CAN EASILY, I THINK, IDENTIFY WHICH DEPARTMENTS HAVE WHICH INCREASES FOR WHICH PURPOSES. I ANTICIPATE WE WILL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT. OUR CITY-WIDE POSITION SUMMARY. AGAIN, WE COMPARE FAVORABLY AS WE HAVE FOR YEARS TO THE POSITION COMPLEMENT BEFORE THE GREAT FINANCIAL CRISIS. JUST UNDER 550. $495,000 FOR 2025. AND WE ARE REQUESTING SIX ADDITIONAL POSITIONS IN THE FISCAL YEAR '25 BUDGET. AND THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. AND THEN TO REMIND THE PUBLIC OF OUR SCHEDULED CONTINUING MEETINGS FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE FSCAL YEAR 2025 BUDGET. TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS ONE ON SEPTEMBER 3. FINAL ONE ON SEPTEMBER 17. THANK YOU AGAIN. AS ALWAYS, APPRECIATE THE ADDITIONAL ATTENTION NOT ONLY TO OUR PROCESS BUT TO OUR BUDGET AND WHAT IS CONTAINED WITHIN. AND WE ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FIVE MINUTES ON THE FIRST ROUND, THREE MINUTES ON THE SECOND ROUND. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DON'T -- THIS IS A BUDGET WORKSHOP. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE WILL LOSE A COUNCILMEMBER AT 11:00. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WOULD LIKE TO LET EVERY COUNCILMEMBER THAT WANTS TO GO AT 11:00 TO GO FIRST. BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO SAY -- I WOULD LIKE THEN -- MR. MIRANDA NEEDS TO BE FIRST. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HAVE SOMEWHERE TO GO BUT I WILL BE RIGHT BACK. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHO WANTS TO START ON THE CONVERSATION. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU FOR RESPONDING TO ALL OF MY QUESTIONS EARLIER. I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS EXCEPT THAT WHEN THE REDUCTION OF THE STAFF, THE 53 FOLKS HOW DO WE KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM, THE INTERNAL DECISION BY HR. >>THE BULK HAPPENED AS PART OF THE GREAT RECESSION IN 2009 AND 2010. THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WE COMPARE IT, BECAUSE THAT WAS REALLY THE HEIGHT OF OUR POSITION COMPLEMENT. AS PART OF THAT GREAT RECESSION AND GREAT FINANCIAL CRISIS, THE REVENUE, ESPECIALLY THE GENERAL FUND REVENUES WERE SUBSTANTIALLY LESS. AS MEMORY SERVES 600 TO 700 POSITIONS OVER THE COURSE OF THOSE TWO YEARS. SO IT IS -- I GUESS IT HAS BEEN DYNAMIC FOR QUITE SOME TIME. >>GWEN HENDERSON: CHIEF, YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ON THAT? >>JOHN BENNETT: THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN. JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF. GOOD MORNING. I WANT TO COMMENT ON THE VACANCIES OVER 180 DAYS. LAST FISCAL YEAR THE BUDGET OFFICE -- ALL OF STAFF SCRUTINIZE NICED THOSE POSITION SO AS SEE IF THEY NEED JOB DESCRIPTION CHANGES AND DOWN TO 21 POSITIONS AS SNAPSHOT OF THAT POINT. OF 21, 17 ARE IN THE QUEUE FOR JOB DESCRIPTION CHANGES AND BEING FILLED WHICH IS 81% OF THOSE POSITIONS THAT ARE OVER 180 DAYS. SO WE ARE BREAKING THESE POSITIONS DOWN. AND, OF COURSE, THE MAYOR'S FIRST THING TO ALL OF US, BEFORE WE CREATE NEW, WE NEED TO REPURPOSE OTHER ONES THAT ARE VACANT THROUGH ATTRITION AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY. BECAUSE I NOTICED THAT THE EOC -- THE EO OFFICE GAINED TWO PEOPLE IN THE FY '24 FISCAL YEAR. LOOKED LIKE IT WAS INCREASED BUT JUST THE ADD ON OF STAFF THAT EXIST -- THAT -- I NOTICED THAT THERE WAS AN INCREASE FOR '25, BUT IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE HIRING THAT WE DID THIS YEAR. SO THAT DEPARTMENT HAS GROWN. >>JOHN BENNETT: I HAVE TO FOLLOW THE CALCULUS ON THAT A LITTLE BIT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY. >>JOHN BENNETT: OBVIOUSLY NET GROSS AND DECREASE. DEPARTMENT-WIDE COULD BE DIFFERENT NUMBERS AND I WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SPECIFIC BUDGET. >>GWEN HENDERSON: LOOKED LIKE WE GOT THE ANALYST I WAS ASKING FOR LAST YEAR. AND TRYING TO CIRCLE BACK. >>JOHN BENNETT: WE WILL GET YOU OFFLINE ON THAT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WAS CURIOUS, THE POSITION RESIDUESED QUESTION. IF YOU GOT IT ANSWERED. ARE YOU SAYING THOSE ARE FROM 2007? YEAH, I THINK IT IS JUST CONFUSING. >>DENNIS ROGERO: I AM SORRY. NOT. HIGH INTENTION TO CONFUSE. THAT IS A SLIDE WE INCORPORATE EVERY YEAR AS WE MEASURE OURSELVES WHEN WE HAD THE MOST EMPLOYEES WE EVER HAD. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 2007, IT WAS 750 LAYOFFS? REDUCTION OF POSITIONS? >>DENNIS ROGERO: 600 OR 700 OPINION SOME TIME -- HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS. BACK TO PREGREAT RECESSION GOIN- NUMBERS. >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, SLOWLY BUILDING OVER TIME. I HAVE THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, MA'AM, THE EVO OFFICE INCREASED TWO IN THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO GO TO THE CHARGES FOR SERVICE. I THINK THAT IS PAGE 5. AND THAT -- BY "CHARGES FOR SERVICE" YOU MEAN FEE, RIGHT, ISN'T THAT A NICE WAY TO SAY "FEES?" >>DENNIS ROGERO: THEM IN. >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST WANTED AN UPDATE ON OUR FEE STUDY AND HOW WE ARE DOING ON THE FEES. I KNOW IT IS NOT SIMPLE BECAUSE THERE ARE TONS OF FEES. I WOULD LIKE THIS AS YOUR MOMENT TO TALK ABOUT HOW THAT IS GOING AND WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT. AND, YOU KNOW, HOW THAT IS GOING TO INCREASE YEAR-OVER-YEAR. >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, MA'AM, THANK YOU. $375 MILLION IS CONVENTION CENTER, PARKS AND RECREATION, FIRE AND POLICE. FROM A FEE PERSPECTIVE, OF COURSE, WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN THE PAST. THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE OPINED ON THE NEED -- IF NOT ELSE -- TO MODERNIZE SOME OF OUR FEES. WE ARE PROCEEDING, COUNCIL WILL RECALL, WITH CHARGES ON CREDIT CARD SERVICES. AS WE WORK INTERNALLY FOR THAT, I BELIEVE I SHARED YOU WITH AS WE LOOKED AROUND TO OTHER LOCALITIES, SOME DID IT EXTERNALLY BY HIRING A THIRD PARTY. SOME DID IT INTERNALLY. WE CONTINUE TO PURSUE IT INTERNALLY. THE ACH FEES WE TALKED ABOUT. WE ARE PURSUING THAT IN MY ACCOUNTING SHOP. THOSE CONTINUE A PACE. AND I NEED TO REMIND MYSELF TO BRING YOU AN UPDATE OF THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT WILL BE WONDERFUL, AN UPDATE HOW THAT IS GOING. ARE YOU SORT OF DOING IT DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT? >>DENNIS ROGERO: WE ARE DOING IT CITYWIDE. CITYWIDE. IF IT IS A CREDIT CARD CHARGE, OF COURSE, WE LIKE TO INCORPORATE THAT CITYWIDE. IN THE ACH, WHEREVER THERE IS A POTENTIAL TO CHARGE THAT FEE, WE WILL CHARGE IT THERE AND I WILL BRING BACK AN UPDATE ON THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: SORRY, I MEAN THE FEE FOR AVERAGE THINGS. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT INCREASING THE FEE TO DO A PD. LOW THOSE FEES IN EACH DEPARTMENT THAT THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS WORKING ON. HOW IS THAT GOING. >>DENNIS ROGERO: I WILL GIVE YOU A 50,000-FOOT LEVEL AND I PROBABLY WILL NEED HELP. REMIND THE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC, MOST -- YOU THE OVERALL MAJORITY OF FEES KEPT PACE. PARK FEES, TRANSPORTATION FEES. I WILL SET ASIDE IMPACT FEES FOR NOW, BUT SOME VERY SENSITIVE FEE S THAT WOULD HELP US -- MOST OF OUR REVENUES AND FEES ARE UP TO DATE. SOME OF THAT WILL HELP US. I DON'T NEED TO TALK ABOUT TRANSPORTATION. IF YOU WANT DETAILED DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT, I WILL HAVE TO BRING UP THE DEPARTMENT OR PERHAPS MIKE PERRY. I KNOW THE EFFORTS ARE CONTINUING, AND JUST TO RECALL AND REMIND CITY COUNCIL WE DID DO A RETROSPECTIVE LOOK TO SEE WHAT WAS AMENABLE AND WHAT WAS ABLE TO BE INCREASED. WE HAVE INCREASED. AND, AGAIN, I WILL REFERENCE THE TRANSPORTATION FEES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN UPDATED IN DECADES. IF YOU WANT MORE SPECIFICS THAN THAT, I WILL HAVE TO DEFER. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL WORK WITH YOU OFFLINE. >>DENNIS ROGERO: I APOLOGIZE. >>LYNN HURTAK: DON'T APOLOGIZE. WE WILL WORK ON A TIME THAT YOU CAN COME AND UPDATE US. >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A FEW MORE QUESTIONS AND I DIDN'T KNOW -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU TURNED OFF YOUR MIC. >>LYNN HURTAK: OH, SORRY. NOW I KIND OF WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOUSING A BIT. I WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK FOR THE PUBLIC AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE SAME $10.7 MILLION IN THE BUDGET WE HAD FOR HOUSING LAST -- THE SAME AS WE DID LAST YEAR. AND THAT IS FOR BOTH R-MAP, HOMEOWNER OCCUPIED REHAB, DOWNPAYMENT ASSISTANCE AND HOMELESS SERVICES. >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, MA'AM. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THAT WE HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT AND THOSE GO TO PROGRAMS THAT THIS COUNCIL SUPPORTS WHOLEHEARTEDLY. THIS -- WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE CLT, THE $5 MILLION FOR THE CLT TO HELP START THAT. IS THAT IN THE PARTICULAR ACCOUNT SOMEWHERE? >>DENNIS ROGERO: IF HE CAN TURN TO THE ELMO REAL QUICK -- AND LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU CAN SEE IT. PLEASE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COMING UP ON OUR SCREEN. >>LYNN HURTAK: OUR SCREEN. >>DENNIS ROGERO: AGAIN, LET ME JUST SET THE TABLE, IF WE COULD, THE PROPERTY PROGRAM ACQUISITION IS PART OF OUR ANTICIPATED DEBT PROGRAM. WE HAVE $11 MILLION, I THINK, FOR TWO SITES. WE HAVE TALKED ANOTHER SITE THAT IS NOT ON HERE YET. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE NEED IT ON OUR SCREENS HERE. >>DENNIS ROGERO: I AM SORRY. I THOUGHT YOU HAD IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, WE CAN'T -- THERE WE GO. >>DENNIS ROGERO: HOUSING PROGRAM, PROPERTY ACQUISITION, $11 MILLION. WE ANTICIPATE AS PART OF THAT BOND IN THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. THOSE ARE FOR TWO SITES. I UNDERSTAND A THIRD SITE MAY BE IN PLAY, AND IF THAT -- IF THAT COMES TO FRUITION, OUR INTENTION IS TO ADD THAT TO THIS BOND. THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST IS NOT IN THERE RIGHT NOW, BUT, AGAIN, WHEN IT COMES TO FRUITION, WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY WITH OUR DEBT PROGRAM. IF I CAN -- IF I CAN RECAP. YOU RECALL, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT UP TO $50 MILLION FOR THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR -- FISCAL YEAR 2024. THAT WAS TIED TO THE MILLAGE INCREASE THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. SO IN ORDER TO FUND TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF HOUSING, WE INTEND TO, AS YOU SEE HERE WITH THE $11 MILLION, ROLL IT INTO THE BOND. SO WE CAN BE VERY FLEXIBLE -- FLEXIBLE, I GUESS, IS THE UPSHOT, DEPENDING ON WHAT WE WANT TO BOND. >>LYNN HURTAK: SO I GUESS THAT IS MY CONFUSION, BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT THE $5 MILLION WAS FOR OPERATING FOR IT TO STAND UP TO THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST AND GET THAT STARTED. IF MY -- IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WE WERE THREE QUARTERS OF A WAY TO HAVE THAT COMPLETELY READY TO GO. >>DENNIS ROGERO: PERHAPS MY MISUNDERSTANDING. MY UNDERSTANDING FOR PROPERTY ACQUISITION JUST UNDER THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST UMBRELLA AS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. >>LYNN HURTAK: MAYBE FROM HOUSING. >>DENNIS ROGERO: SOMEONE KNOW BETTER THAN I? >>ABBYE FEELEY: ASK THE QUESTION MORE. >>LYNN HURTAK: SURE. CIT MONEY, THE $5 MILLION WE WERE TALKING OPERATIONS FOR THREE YEARS -- $5 MILLION OVER THREE YEARS TO SET UP THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST, SO AT THE END OF THE YEAR, IT COULD BE AN INDEPENDENT AGENCY. SO I WAS WONDERING WHERE THAT MONEY IS IN THE BUDGET, AND IF IT IS NOT THERE, I GUESS, JUST AN UPDATE ON THAT. >>ABBYE FEELEY: OKAY, ABBYE FEELEY, INTERIM ADMINISTRATOR, DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. THE PLAN FOR THE CLT WHEN ALIS AND NICOLE DEPARTED IS STILL THERE. WE ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO SET THAT CLT UP AS OF YET. IN RELATION TO THOSE MONIES, WE JUST HAD A MEETING WITH MR. PERRY AND SOME OF OUR BOND RATING AND OTHER INDIVIDUALS TO TALK THROUGH THAT $50 MILLION. WHAT THAT WAS. THIS TERMS OF -- THERE WERE -- THERE WERE THREE EFFORTS UNDER THAT $50 MILLION. THERE WAS AN ACQUISITION EFFORT. REMEMBER, WE TALKED ABOUT HOW DO WE GET IN THE GAME AND BE A MEMBER AND TRYING TO ACQUIRE PROPERTIES THAT WOULD BE RIGHT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES. THERE WAS ALSO A PRESERVATION ELEMENT TO THAT. HOW DO WE WORK WITH EXISTING PROPERTIES. MAYBE THE HOTELS ALONG HILLSBOROUGH TO LOOK AT HOW WE THEN CONVERT THOSE. AND THEN THE CLT. THAT WAS STILL IN DISCUSSIONS AND WE HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND WHEN WE ARE READY TO DO THAT, BUT WE ARE -- WE ARE NOT AT A POSITION AT THIS MOMENT TO MOVE THAT FORWARD. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY. SO WE ARE LOOKING FOR THAT IN THE FUTURE IN ADDITION -- >>DENNIS ROGERO: I AM SORRY, MA'AM. IF WE CAN CLARIFY. IT SEEMS THAT IS A CAPITAL EXPENSE AND LIKELY BOND -- BONDABLE. BONDING WILL BE THE LIKELY FUNDING SOURCE. >>LYNN HURTAK: SO WE ARE LOOKING TO BOND THAT. SO THE -- IN TERMS MUCH THE THIRD DEVELOPMENT, THERE IS -- THERE IS AN AFFORDABILITY HOUSING PROGRAM GOING ON IN YBOR -- ART SPACE THAT NEEDS HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TO GET GOING. THAT THE THIRD PROJECT THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT? >>ABBYE FEELEY: NO, IT IS NOT -- IT WAS NOT. WE ARE LOOKING TO MAKE A LARGE ACQUISITION OF A COUPLE OF ACRES IN EAST TAMPA. B BUT, AGAIN, BEING ABLE TO BE HAVE THOSE UNRESTRICTED FUNDS GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO PURSUE THOSE TYPES OF OPPORTUNITIES WITHOUT NECESSARILY HAVING AT THAT COME AND GET APPROVAL FOR THAT AT FIRST. WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU WITH THE AGREEMENT AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND COME BACK TO THE TABLE AND HAVE THAT ADVANTAGE LIKE ANY OTHER PRIVATE PROPERTY PERSON. >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM LOOKING TO REDEFINE THAT ART SPACE, 40 TO 80% AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN PERPETUITY. THAT WILL BE A VERY CHEAP INVESTMENT BY US, THAT IS SOMETHING I AM DEFINITELY LOOKING FOR, THANK YOU. >>DENNIS ROGERO: IF I CAN JUST ADD -- WHOOPS. I GOT IT. I APOLOGIZE FOR THE MYSTERY. I AM JUST NOT SURE WHAT I CAN SHARE PUBLICLY. >>LYNN HURTAK: I GREATLY UNDERSTAND THAT. I WANT TO CLARIFY IF THAT IS NOT A PROJECT, THEN THAT IS A PROJECT WE NEED TO FUND THIS YEAR. >>DENNIS ROGERO: AND I -- IF I CAN POSTSCRIPT THAT ALSO. YOU SEE THE $11 MILLION HERE. I WANT TO REITERATE WE CAN BE FLEXIBLE TO MOVE IF AN OPPORTUNITY PRESENTS ITSELF. WE HAVE PROVEN WE CAN DO THAT IN THE PAST AND I CAN FEEL BUDGET OFFICER BURROWING INTO ME WITH HIS EYES. WE WON'T BOND ANYTHING WE DON'T HAVE TO BOND, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTION I WANT TO ASK. TPD -- SINCE NO ONE HERE FROM FROM TPD, MAYBE CHIEF BENNETT CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION. WE HAD SOME SUCCESS WITH BEHAVIORAL HEALTH PROGRAM. WE HAD THEM TOMORROW FORWARD AND GIVE AN UPDATE ON WHAT THEY ARE DOING. I WAS HOPING TO SEE MORE FUNDING IN THAT PROGRAM THIS YEAR. CAN YOU SPEAK TO WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE GOING ABLE TO EXPAND THAT PROGRAM THIS YEAR? >>JOHN BENNETT: THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION, AND, OF COURSE, A GREAT PROGRAM. I KNOW FROM TALKING ITERATIVELY WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEIR STAND RESEARCH ON THE MODELS THAT ARE IN ST. PETE. YOU MAY HAVE SEEN A RECENT MEMO ON ONE OF THE MOTIONS THAT KIND OF EXPANDED TO THAN. I PERSONALLY WENT TO THE 911 CENTER AND SAT IN WHEN THEY WERE HANDLING THOSE CALLS OFF THE GRANT, WHICH IS REALLY BECOMING A MORE PROACTIVE WAY TO ANSWER THIS. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION SPECIFICALLY, I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY FUNDING WE HAVE TOICS AND IT RIGHT NOW, BUT I -- WE HAVE TO EXPAND IT RIGHT NOW, AND I KNOW THE CHIEF'S INTEREST OF THE PRACTICE WE HAVE NOW INSTITUTIONALIZED AND LOOKING FOR FUNDING WHEN THE GRANT SUBSIDES IN THE 911 CENTER AND BUILDING UP THE FIELD STAFF. I KNOW CHIEF BERCAW HAS A NUMBER WE NEED TO DO THE EXACT THING THAT IS GOING ON IN ST. PETE. AND, OF COURSE, BECAUSE OF OUR SIZE AND SCALE, IT WILL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WHAT ST. PETE IS SPENDING. I SAT IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM WHEN ST. PETE CAME OVER AND PRESENTED THEIR MODEL TO EXTRAPOLATE OUR COSTS. THE ANSWER IS, I DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING TO EXPAND IT NOW AND GOOD INTENTIONS TO DO SO. >>LYNN HURTAK: GREAT. I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH THE CHIEF ON THAT. AND THAT -- AND I'LL BE DONE FOR NOW, THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL >>BILL CARLSON: JUST -- JUST SOME GENERAL COMMENTS. THE PRIORITIES I AM HEARING FROM CONSTITUENTS ARE ROADS, PARKS, AND PUBLIC SAFETY, TPD AND FIRE. OVER THE LAST -- AFFORDABLE HOUSING CONTINUES TO BE A HUGE ISSUE. WE PUT IN THROUGH THE CRA WE PUT A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE MEANTIME, WE NEED TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS AS WELL. THE THING ABOUT THE BUDGET IS ALWAYS A BALANCE. I REPRESENT SOUTH TAMPA I HAVE BEEN A STRONG ADVOCATE FOR SPENDING MONEY IN THE CITY. AND THERE NEEDED TO BE SOME EQUITY BECAUSE BEFORE I GOT ON COUNCIL ANYWAY, TOO MUCH MONEY WAS SPENT DOWNTOWN AND THE REVS OF THE CITY WAS IGNORED. AND -- AND THERE IS -- THE FEELING AND THOUGHT THAT THE ROADS IN SOUTH TAMPA ARE PERFECT. THAT THE PARKS IN SOUTH INTEREST PERFECT AND THE TRUTH IS THE OPPOSITE. SOME OF THE WORST ROADS IN THE CITY WERE IN SOUTH TAMPA. SOME OF THE WORST PARKS IN THE CITY IS IN SOUTH TAMPA. THE REASON -- FIRST, EVERYTHING WAS SPENT DOWNTOWN AND EVERYTHING SPENT IN PARTS OF THE CITY. AND WE NEED TO -- WE NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT SOUTH TAMPA AND NOT FORGET THEM AND PRETEND EVERYTHING IS FINE. THERE IS -- THERE AREN'T HOARDS OF PEOPLE COMING IN COMPLAINING ABOUT IT YESTERDAY, BUT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE IT SOON IF WE DON'T -- IF WE DON'T START DOING SOMETHING. THE ROADS ARE ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE IN SOUTH TAMPA. AND THEY ARE SOME OF THE WORST I HAVE EVER SEEN EVERYWHERE ON THE ROADS. WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO THE TO FIX THEM. WE GOT TO INCREASE THE ROAD PROJECT, THE ROAD REPAIR BUDGET. THE PARKS OFTEN -- THE PARK -- INTERBAY PARK I MENTIONED ALL THE TIME HAS A.D.A. ISSUES. THINGS ARE LITERALLY FALLING ON KIDS IN THERE. PUT ON THE AGENDA. IT HAS GOT TO BE MOVED FORWARD. COUNCILMEMBER VIERA HAS BEEN PUSHING FOR ADA ACCESSIBILITY IN ALL THE PARKS. WE GOT TO MOVE THAT FORWARD CITYWIDE. THERE ARE OTHER PARKS THAT ARE FALLING APART AS WELL. AND WE GOT TO LOOK AT THOSE AND WE GOT TO -- TO ACCELERATE THE AGENDA OF FIXING THINGS. WHAT HAPPENED THE LAST FEW YEARS, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS NO MORE ABOUT DOWNTOWN, IT IS ABOUT WHERE PEOPLE LIVE. AND WE SAW LOTS OF MILLIONAIRES AND PROBABLY BILLIONAIRES MOVE TO TAMPA DURING COVID. AND ANECDOTALLY, MANY ARE MOVING BACK BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE THE STATE OF THE ROADS. AND THEY DON'T LIKE THE STATE OF THE PARKS. AND THEY DON'T LIKE THE STATE OF THE SCHOOL TO SOME EXTENT. AND PERCEPTIONS OF PUBLIC SAFETY. WE HAVE TO FIX THESE THIECONOMI DEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE IS HOW PEOPLE LIVE AROUND THEM. TPD, WE KNOW THERE IS A SHORTAGE OF FOLKS IN THERE. PBA ASKED FOR 200 MORE POLICE OFFICERS. WE INCREASE IT SLIGHTLY LAST YEAR. AND THE QUESTION THIS YEAR IS -- AND I WILL JUST GO THROUGH MY POINTS AND YOU CAN ANSWER IT IF YOU WANT. IF WE THINK WE NEED 200 -- IF PDA THINKS WE NEED 200. AND PEOPLE ON THE STREETS BELIEVE THAT TOO, HOW ARE WE GOING TO AUTOED BETWEEN $100,000 TO $200,000 TO FUND A NEW POLICE OFFICER. WE ARE LOSING A LOT BECAUSE OF DROP. HOW ARE WE GOING TO REPLACE THEM? THERE ARE RUMOR THAT AFTER THE YBOR SHOOTING, POLICE OFFICERS REASSIGNED FROM HOWARD TV YBOR. AND AFTER SHOOTING IN HOWARD AVENUE, REASSIGNED FROM YBOR TO HOWARD AVENUE. CREATES PROBLEMS IN BOTH AREAS AND EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY. THE SOLUTION IS, WE NEED MORE POLICE OFFICERS. WE NEED MORE FIRE STATIONS AND SAFE EQUIPMENT FOR OUR FIRE FIGHTERS. THE OTHER QUESTION WE HAVE, WE HAVE PRETTY AGGRESSIVE RAISES FOR -- FOR THE UNION FOLKS. ALL THREE UNIONS IN THE LAST FEW YEARS. BUT THE MID TO SENIOR-LEVEL MAJORS DIDN'T GET ANYTHING. THE MAYOR'S SENIOR STAFF GOT SOMETHING. PEOPLE WHO WORK HARD HIS OR HER ARE NOT UNIONIZED WHO DON'T WORK CLOSELY WITH THE MAYOR. YOU HAD A BLANK ON YOUR SHEET A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO GET. WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH A NUMBER AT SOME POINT. PWE HAVE TO HAVE OTHER AND WISE WE WILL HAVE A LOT MORE PEOPLE IN DROP. LASTLY, IN LOOKING AT THE STORMWATER BUDGET, IT APPEARS THAT SOME POSITIONS THAT ARE FUNDED BY STORMWATER ARE PURE MOBILITY POSITION. WHAT ARE THE LAWS AND RULES AROUND THE STORMWATER MONEY? CAN IT BE USED ON REGULAR MOBILITY LIKE PARKING? OR STORMWATER IS ONLY USED ON STORMWATER? AND I WILL BE QUIET. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. BHIDE, IF YOU WANT TO ANSWER HIS QUESTIONS. >>DENNIS ROGERO: IF YOU GOT IT OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD. >>VIK BHIDE: GOOD MORNING, VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR MOVE HE BUILT. MORNING, CHAIR. MORNING, COUNCIL. WE HAVE TWO STORMWATER ASSESSMENTS. ONE IS FOR IMPROVEMENT, WHICH IS ONLY BE USED FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS OR STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT THE OTHER IS A SERVICE ASSESSMENT WHICH CAN ONLY BE USED FOR MAINTENANCE OF STORMWATER FACILITIES. BOTH OF THEM -- THE AREAS ARE DEFINED. HE CAN GO GET ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM LEGAL IF YOU WOULD LIKE. BUT THE GIST IS, THAT THESE ASSESSMENTS ARE EAR MARKED FOR SPECIFIC PURPOSES. AND THAT CORRELATE WITH THE STORMWATER SYSTEM. NOW AS FAR AS STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS ARE CONCERNED, BECAUSE ROADWAYS ALSO CONVEY STORMWATER. AND A LOT OF STORMWATER INTO OUR SYSTEMS. CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PAVING DOES QUALIFY, BUT IT HAS TO RELATE TO A STORMWATER CAPITAL PROJECT. SO THA SO THAT'S THE GIST. >>BILL CARLSON: THE POSITIONS THAT ARE LISTED THERE. ARE THEY ALL PURE STORMWATER? OR SOME OF THEM PURE MOBILITY? BECAUSE SOME OF THEM LOOK LIKE THEY ARE PURE MOBILITY. >>VIK BHIDE: MOBILITY IS THE DEPARTMENT. STORMWATER IS THE DIVISION WITHIN MOBILITY. STORMWATER ENGINEERING. AND OPERATIONS, WE HAVE TRANSPORTATION OPERATIONS AND STORMWATER OPERATIONS. AND THE STORMWATER ASSESSMENT CAN ONLY FUND STORMWATER POSITIONS. IT CAN NOT FUND TRANSPORTATION POSITIONS. BUT THAT IS WITHIN THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT. MOBILITY IS THE UMBRELLA. >>BILL CARLSON: WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT OFF-LINE, THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE A QUESTION OR COMMENT MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK OF $500,000 FOR THE -- FOR THE HOUSING FOR THE ARTIST, THAT'S CORRECT? AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON MENTIONED ABOUT STREET PAVING WHICH I AGREE ON BOTH ISSUES. WE HAD MENTIONED SEVERAL WEEKS AGO THE SMART CITY PARKING GUIDANCE, $12 MILLION THERE AND IS THAT WITHIN A ENTERPRISE FUND THAT WE CAN ONLY SPEND IT ON ROAD ITEMS? OR CAN WE TAKE HALF A MILLION OF THAT AND PUT IT TOWARD THE ARTS AND THE REST TOWARD THE PAVE SOMETHING IN CAN'T SPLIT IT UP? >>DENNIS ROGERO: I WILL REFER TO MR. BHIDE. OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT IT IS PART OF THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW. THERE WERE COMMENTS OF NOT FUNDING IT AND REALLOCATING THE FUNDING TO OTHER PURPOSES. SO I WILL BEGIN WITH, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NO DECISION HAS BEEN MADE BY COUNCIL. STICKING A PIN IN THAT. YOUR QUESTION IS ABOUT FUNDING IT AT A LESSER EXTENT, SIR IN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, NO. IF THAT MONEY IN IS SPECIFICALLY DEDICATED TO PARKING AND TRANSPORTATION. GO TO ROAD PAVING AND CAN'T TAKE HALF A MILLION OF THAT AND PUT IT TOWARD SOMETHING THAT I NOT ROAD-RELATED OR TRANSPORTATION-RELATED. >>DENNIS ROGERO: I BELIIEVE IT HAS TO BE TANGENTIALLY RELATED. MR. BHIDE, DO YOU AGREE. >>VIK BHIDE: SURE, PARKING CHARGES AND FEES ARE CONTROLLED BY A STATUTE THAT ALLOWS MUNICIPALITIES TO CHARGE FOR PARKING. THOSE FUNDS CAN BE USED FOR MOBILITY-RELATED PURPOSES OUTSIDE OF PARKING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY. NOT THAT HOUSING ISSUE? JUST CURIOUS. COUNCILMAN VIERA? >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR. A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE THING I DID WANT TO HIGHLIGHT WHEN TALKING OF NUMBERS OF CITY EMPLOYEE BEING FROM 2007 TO TODAY. I KNOW THIS IS OPEN AND OBVIOUS, BUT I WILL STATE IT, OUR CITY OF TAMPA POPULATION BACK IN 2007 WAS 315,000 OR SO, MAYBE 320,000. MORE OR LESS. SO IN OTHER WORDS WHEN WE ARE TALKING OF HAVING THE SAME NUMBER OF EMPLOYEE THAT IS LESS SERVICES FOR -- FOR INDIVIDUAL, ETC. DON'T KNOW WHAT THE POLICE AND FIRE NUMBERS WERE BACK THEN. I AM SURE CHIEF BENNETT KNOWS THAT. IT MAY BE -- DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS WERE IN 2010 FOR TPD? >>JOHN BENNETT: GUILT A LITTLE FURTHER -- JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF. WE CHANGED THE MISSION STATEMENT OF THE BUSINESS PROCESS, A LITTLE OVER 1,000 OFFICERS. THAT NUMBER HAS GONE DO THE 950s BETWEEN THERE. AND 20 YEARS LATER MOSTLY DUE TO EFFICIENCIES, TECHNOLOGY, AND DIFFERENT OPERATIONAL BEST PRACTICES THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE. NOW WE ARE FINALLY HITTING THE POINT WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT WE NEED TO KEEP UP WITH GROWTH OF THE POPULATION, BECAUSE I WOULD ARGUE THEY ARE OPTIMIZED. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR. I WILL SAY THE SAME ANYTHING WITH TFR. I AM WITH THE VIEW -- IT IS OPEN AND OBVIOUS. I THINK WE NEED TO HIRE MORE POLICE OFFICERS. I WILL TALK ABOUT THAT -- VERY BRIEFLY THE TAX I TRIED TO IMPLEMENT THAT LAST YEAR THAT WOULD HAVE GONE TO THAT AND OTHER THINGS. BUT I DO THINK IT IS SOMETHING TO BE SAID THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HAVING THE SAME NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS SERVES IN THE CITY OF TAMPA GOVERNMENT AND POPULATION HAS GROWN 25% SINCE THEN AND SAYS SOMETHING OF GOVERNMENT SERVICES. COUNCILMAN CARLSON, ONE THING I WANT TO JUMP ON AND SUPPORT IS I LIVE IN NEW TAMPA AND PEOPLE SAY THAT SOUTH TAMPA HAS EVERYTHING. SOUTH TAMPA HAS EVERYTHING. GO TO THE ROADS AND THE PARKS THERE, AND IT IS VERY PROBLEMATIC. SOME OF THE WORST ROADS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA MAINTAINED ARE IN SOUTH TAMPA. AND SO THERE IS THAT PER STHAEPGS BECAUSE BY STEREOTYPE AN AFFLUENT AREA THAT THE ROADS ARE GREAT. ONE THING IS NO RELATION TO THE OTHER OBVIOUSLY. AND LASTLY, I WILL TALK ABOUT THIS LATER WHEN TALK ABOUT -- WHEN CHIEF TRIPP COMES UP HERE. THE TAX -- LAST YEAR THE MAYOR WANTED A 1.0 TAX. I HAD MOTION TO STRIP THAT BACK 70% AND HAVE ALL OF THE FUNDS GO TO POLICE AND FIRE. THAT WOULD HAVE RAISED THIS YEAR ABOUT $14 MILLION OR $15 MILLION. SO THAT IS WHY I DID IT. TALKING ABOUT THESE THINGS ARE REALLY, REALLY NECESSARY FOR POLICE AND FIRE. AND WE CAN EITHER BOND IT -- THAT IS WHAT I MOTIONED TO DO WITH FLEET MAINTENANCE AND FIRE STATION 24. THAT WILL COST MORE MONEY ON THE LONG RUN, AND DO SOME FORM OF -- QUESTIONS ON THE HOUSING. I WANT TO MEET WITH PEOPLE MORE ON THAT BEFORE GOING FORWARD WITH THAT. I HEARD SOME RUMBLINGS ABOUT WHAT THAT IS, AND I WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THAT BEFORE GOING FORWARD. ETC. IF IT IS SOMETHING -- HOUSING THAT IS GEARED TOWARD ARTIST. AND BY THE WAY. I AM NOT GOING TO SPEAK ON IT. AND THAT'S ALL. I WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT BEFORE VOTING ON IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SORRY I HAD TO LEAVE AND I WAS IN AND OUT. LET ME SAY THIS PAST WEEKEND, A LOT OF CALLS FROM SOUTH TAMPA. A LOT, FIVE OR SIX. STREETS WERE FLOODED FOR SOMETHING THAT I NEVER HEARD OF. I TEXTED MR. JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF, HE WENT DOWN AND TALKED TO MR. BHIDE, AND THESE THINGS ARE PHENOMENAL WHAT HAPPENED, BUT WHEN I TELL THAT YOU THE STREETS WERE REALLY FLOODED ON A SMALL AMOUNT OF RAIN, THEY WERE REALLY, REALLY FLOODED. LIKE SIX INCHES TO TEN INCHES. SO YESTERDAY, I HAD THE HONOR OF GOING DOWN THERE. GOT INVITED TO ANY DAUGHTER'S BIRTHDAY PARTY WHICH I ALWAYS DO EVERY YEAR. AND SHE SHOWED ME -- I HAVE A VIDEO OF IT SHE HAS ON HER PHONE. I WILL HAVE HER SEND IT TO US SO WE CAN DISTRIBUTE IT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH SOMETHING THAT I AM NOT SURE OF, OR THE AMOUNT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HAPPEN LIKE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE SEWER LINES. I DON'T KNOW. BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE REST OF THE CITY -- I AM NOT ASKING YOU TO BE PREPARED, BUT IF YOU ARE, WELCOME TO COME UP. AND I WORK WITH MR. CARLSON. I WILL LET YOU KNOW THAT IT WAS RIGHT BORDER LINE BETWEEN YOURS AND MINE. AND IT WAS -- BUT IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE WHOSE BORDER IT IS. THERE ARE NO BORDERS WHEN YOU ARE ELECTED. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSE SO QUICKLY AND RAPIDLY. >>JOHN BENNETT: SURE. >>VIK BHIDE: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. I RECOGNIZES THIS IS AN OPERATING BUDGET WORKSHOP. I WILL KEEP THIS BRIEF. BUT I DID SHARE CAN COUNCIL SOME PHENOMENA THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A FEW YEARS NOW. GIST IS, WHILE ANNUAL RAINFALLS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAVE BEEN MORE OR LESS THE SAME, THE RAIN IS FALLING IN INTENSE STORMS AND SMALLER PACKETS, FULL. SO THREE OR FOUR DAYS OF NO RAIN AND THEN INTENSE STORMS. THESE STORMS CAN SOMETIMES BE HYPER LOCALIZED. SO WHAT HAPPENED LAST FRIDAY, FOR EXAMPLE IS BY OUR AILEEN POND IN SOUTH TAMPA AROUND THE MacDILL AND EILEEN AREA. WE HAD OVER THREE INCHES OF RAIN IN ONE HOUR AND ALMOST THREE AND A HALF INCHES OF RAIN IN TWO HOURS. THAT WILL INUNDATE OUR STORMWATER SYSTEMS. OUR STORMWATER SYSTEMS ARE NOT DESIGNED AS THEY ARE RIGHT NOW FOR THAT MUCH RAIN AND IN THAT SHORT OF A TIME. SAME THING HAPPENED ELSEWHERE IN SOUTH TAMPA AROUND MANHATTAN AND SAN CARLOS, I BELIEVE. THOSE ARE ABOUT TWO AND A HALF INCHES OF RAIN. WHAT WE MEASURE FROM A MAINTENANCE AND STORMWATER SYSTEM PERSPECTIVE, WHEN WE GET THAT AMOUNT OF RAIN, INUNDATES OUR SYSTEM, STREET FLOODING, DOES THAT FLOODING DISSIPATE WITHIN TWO AND TWO AND A HALF HOURS. IF IT DOES, THE SYSTEM AS WE DESIGN IS WORKING WHICH IS WHY WE PROPOSE ADDITIONAL CIPs TO EXPAND SOME CAPACITY OF THESE SYSTEMS, PARTICULARLY IN BUILDUP AREAS. THAT IS ONE PART OF THE EQUATION. THE OTHER PART WE HAVE TO CONSISTENTLY WORK WITH IS TO CREATE MORE SPONGE-LIKE SURFACES ACROSS THE CITY. PRESERVE GREEN AREAS THAT ALREADY EXIST. PRESERVE TREES, PLANT MORE TREES, AND WORK WITH OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND OTHER AGENCIES TO MAKE SURE THAT BUILT-UP AREA NOT ONLY CONTAIN STORMWATER ON-SITE, BUT ALSO CREATE PERVIOUS SERVICES. AND WE HAVE DONE THAT WITH OUR STORMWATER CAPITAL PROJECTS AS WELL. LIKE SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, THE PARKING AREAS ARE PERVIOUS CONCRETE. WE WILL DO THE SAME WITH EVERY OTHER PROJECT. IN FACT THE MAYOR DID HAVE AN EXECUTIVE ORDER A COUPLE OF YEARS BACK WORKING TO CONSIDER SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCE. IN OUR WORLD, WHAT THAT MEANS IS AS MUCH PERMEABILITY IN OUR SERVICES AS POSSIBLE. VIS A I CAN'T NATURAL OR THROUGH MATERIALS THAT ARE NEEDED FOR THINGS LIKE PARKING SPACES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. EVERYONE OF THE REASONS THEY GAVE ME WAS OVERBUILDING. AND MY ANSWER WAS, AS FAR AS I KNOW CLOSED. ANY BUILDING THAT GOES UP IS SUPPOSED TO MAINTAIN THE WATER ON THEIR LAND. IS THAT RIGHT? >>VIK BHIDE: THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. MITIGATION ON-SITE IS REQUIRED AND THERE IS A REQUIREMENT FOR -- DEPENDING ON THE USE, WHAT PERCENTAGE OFF A PLOT OR PROPERTY CAN BE BUILT UP. AND FOR SINGLE-FAMILY, FOR EXAMPLE, IT IS 51.49. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM. YES, GO AHEAD. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WAS ASKING IF YOU -- OKAY. SO MR. VHIDE, DON'T GET COMFY. [LAUGHTER] THIS IS A LONGER DISCUSSION, AND I JUST WANT TO START IT WITH COUNCIL, AND I HAVE SPOKEN TO YOU ABOUT THIS. I -- I WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO MOVE THAT $5 MILLION FROM THE PARKING GUIDANCE TO PAVING IF THAT -- IF THAT IS THE ONE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. IT IS 12 MILLION, 5 MILLION THIS YEAR AND $7 MILLION NEXT YEAR. I AM HAPPY TO MAKE THAT MOTION. SECOND PROJECT, THE PARKING -- EV CHARGING STATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES. THAT WAS $1.5 MILLION. WE ARE HAVING TROUBLE RIGHT NOW WITH FUNDING TRANSPORTATION OVERALL. AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS WE ARE TRYING TO GET A BRT FROM DOWNTOWN TO USF. THE BUS RAPID TRANSIT. ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT HART IS HAVING AND D.O.T. FDOT IS SAYING THAT LOCAL COMMUNITIES, BE IT THE COUNTY, THE CITIES THAT WE ARE NOT PUTTING ANY SKIN IN THE GAME WE AREN'T FUNDING IT. AND SO THERE -- THEY ARE HESITANT TO GIVE US MORE MONEY OR TO GIVE THE SYSTEM MONEY IF WE AREN'T GOING TO PARTICIPATE IN IT. ONE ISSUES THAT THE BRT IS HAVING, THEY NEED TO HAVE 3,000 -- THE ROUTE 1 THAT WILL TURN INTO THE BRT. MR. BHIDE, IF YOU NEED TO INTERRUPT ME IF I AM GETTING THIS WRONG, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. RIGHT NOW HART DOESN'T HAVE THE FULL RIDERSHIP TO OPEN THAT BRT AT 3,000 RIDER AS DAY. ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO DO TODAY IS TAKE THAT CHARGING STATION MONEY THE $1.5 MILLION. GIVE IT TO HEART TO FUND FAIR FREE ROUTE 1 FOR THE YEAR. THAT WILL COVER THE ROUTE AND WILL INCREASE THE ROUTE FROM 20 MINUTES -- 20 MINUTES TO 15 MINUTES HEADWAYS. WHAT THIS WILL DO IS MULTIPLE THINGS. ONE, THE STREETCAR IS VERY SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE IT IS FREE. SUCCESSFUL FOR OTHER REASONS. BUT IF PEOPLE HAD TO PAY FOR IT, THEY WOULDN'T USE IT AS MUCH. SECOND, THIS COMMUNITY DOES NOT HAVE A HISTORY OF BUS RIDING. GENERALLY. IT JUST SIMPLY DOESN'T. BUT WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE GETTING -- ABLE TO GET ANY MONEY FROM FDOT OR THE FEDS IF WE CAN'T START TO SHOW SOME PR PROJECT. >>VIK BHIDE: IF WOULD YOU LIKE SOME CLARIFICATION OR CONTEXT. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. I PROAPPRECIATE IT. >>VIK BHIDE: THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS UP. I WILL CLARIFY IF THE CITY IS FUNDING OR NOT. HART IS SET UP AS A COUNTYWIDE AGENCY. THE CITY HAS FOUR BOARD SEATS ON THE BOARD ITSELF, AND COUNCILMAN VIERA IS THE CHAIR OF THE HART BOARD. RESIDENTS OFF TAMPA DO CONTRIBUTE BECAUSE THAT IS ALL OUR PROPERTY BILLS. PART OF THE COUNTYWIDE FUNDING SCENARIO. WE DO CONTRIBUTE TO TRANSIT, BUT IT IS SORELY >>VIK BHIDE: -- WILL HAVE HAVE ITS OWN LANE OR NOT. PTHAT IS T CONTEXT. IT IS BACK ON THE BRT SYSTEM ITSELF. HART IS FACING A FISCAL LIST. IT IS ALREADY FALLING SHORT ON OPERATING COSTS. AND WHETHER THE FOCUS SHOULD BE ON EXPANDING EXISTING SERVICE AND MAKING IT BETTER AND INTRODUCING PREMIUM TRANSIT OR NOT IS UP TO TRANSIT EXPERTS ULTIMATELY, BUT THE OPERATING COSTS WILL STILL HAVE TO BE BORN OUT AT SOME POINT. AND THEN FINALLY AS TRANSIT IS CONCERNS, BEYOND US FUNDING TRANSIT, IT ISN'T THE CITY'S MANTATE TO PROVIDE TRANSIT SERVICE BEYOND THE STREETCAR TODAY. BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT COUNCIL -- THAT IT DOES NOT RESERVE THE RIGHT TO ALLOCATE FUNDING. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT UP. I SIT ON THE TPO. AND RIGHT NOW OUR BIG -- OUR BIG STOPPING SPOT IS -- IS WE CAN'T GET THE BRT. BECAUSE THE STATE HAS IMPOSED -- THEY CONTINUE TO BE IMPOSE MORE AND MORE RESTRICTIONS. ONE OF THE RESTRICTION THIS PAST YEAR WAS THAT THEY CAN'T USE CURRENT LANES. YOU CAN'T REPURPOSE THE LANE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T LIKE IT. THEY SIMPLY SAY YOU CAN'T REPURPOSE THE LANE, THIS IS KIND OF A WAY TO GET AROUND THIS. FDOT REFUSES TO FUND OR CANNOT -- I GUESS IT IS IN THEIR MANDATE -- FUND OPERATIONS COST. HOW DO WE -- AND WE HAVE PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT TRAFFIC. FASTEST WAY WE CAN IMPROVE TRAFFIC IS TO GET PEOPLE OFF THE ROAD. I KNOW THAT THIS CAN BE CONTROVERSIAL. SO I AM JUST SIMPLY ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER IT BUT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO MAKE ROUTE FARE FREE -- SEE HOW WE CAN MAKE IT -- FDOT CAN GIVE US THE MONEY TO TRY BECAUSE IT IS A CURRENT SYSTEM. BY DOING THIS, WE CAN SPREE HOW WE CAN GO FORWARD BECAUSE ULTIMATELY WE ARE GOING TO STEP UP AND FUND SOME OF THIS BECAUSE THE COUNTY IS SIMPLY NOT GOING TO DO IT. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE COUNTY -- WE ARE NOT GOING INTO THE COUNTY. WE ARE STICKING TO THE CITY. BUT ULTIMATELY, WE HAVE TO TALK AS A CITY OF HOW WE FUND TRANSIT GOING FORWARD BECAUSE IT IS NOT GOING TO BE DONE BY THE COUNTY. IF WE ACTUALLY WANT TO MOVE PEOPLE WE -- BECAUSE WE AREN'T EXPANDING ROADS IN THIS CITY. WE JUST SIMPLY AREN'T. WE GET MORE CARS. MORE PEOPLE. IF WE DON'T LOOK FOR -- A FOOL'S ERRAND TO NOT LOOK AT ANOTHER POSSIBLE WAY TO DO IT. SO TIME SIMPLY GOING TO ASK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS CONSIDERED. I HAVE OTHER THINGS TO TALK ABOUT POLICE AND FIRE DURING NUMBER TWO, BUT THAT IS WHERE I AM GOING TO LEAVE IT. I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO FUND ROUTE ONE FARE FREE FOR ONE YEAR ONLY. SEE HOW IT GOES. AND -- >>VIK BHIDE: IF I COULD -- YES, AUGMENT THAT. -- I BELIEVE THE SPECIFIC NUMBER IS A LITTLE SHY OF $1 MILLION FOR FARE-FREE. WHILE IT ISN'T OUR MANDATE, I WOULD BE REMISS NOT TO MENTION THAT OUR MOBILITY PLAN PLANS FOR AND DEPENDS ON BETTER TRANSIT SERVICE AS WAY OFF MANAGING CONGESTION AND A WAY OF REDUCING VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED. SO THAT -- THAT LATTER GOAL. REDUCING THE VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED. THE LONE STRATEGIES FOR THAT, BETTER INVESTMENT, INVESTING IN WALKING AND BIKING AND INVESTING IN TRANSIT. IT DOES ALIGN WITH THE CITY'S MOBILITY GOALS IF THAT SHOULD BE THE CONSIDERATION. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS THE OTHER THING. AND I WILL TRY TO GET YOU ALL A COPY OF THIS STUDY THAT TPO JUST DID WHICH WAS PHENOMENAL. THEY WERE ABLE TO -- NOT A STUDY, BUT A PUBLIC SURVEY. WHAT THEY DID. THEY WERE ABLE TO GET INTO THE CITY'S RESPONDENTS. THE CITY RESPONDENTS BY AND LARGE -- FIRST OF ALL, ALL THE COUNTY WANTED TRANSPORTATION. THAT WAS THEIR NUMBER ONE, THAT WAS INTERESTING. BUT THE CITY -- THE PEOPLE WHO ANSWERED THAT SURVEY WANTED TO TAX THEMSELVES FOR MORE TRANSIT. IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING. SOME I WILL PASS THE -- I WILL HAVE KELLEY PASS THE -- THE SURVEY ON TO YOU AND THEN GIVE YOU MR. -- DR. WONG'S INFORMATION IF YOU WOULD LIKE ASK HIM MORE QUESTIONS. BASICALLY WHAT WE ARE HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC WE REALLY WANT TRANSIT AND HOW TO DO IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THING IS AN INTERESTING CONCEPT SEEING HOW THE STREETCAR WORKS FARE TO FREE FARES DUE TO GRANTS. WE HAVE SEEN -- I AM ON THE BOARD THERE -- A HUGE STRIKE IN RIDERSHIP. PEOPLE WITH THE STREETCAR. IF WE WERE TO GO BACK TO SOME TYPE OF FARE WITH THE STREETCAR, IT COULD BE 200, 250, WHATEVER IT WAS BEFORE. A DOLLAR. $.50. PEOPLE PUT IT ON THEIR MIND -- PLUS THE PEOPLE WHO MOVED WITH THIS AREA OF USING THE STREETCAR. THEY LIKE IT AND SEE THE CONVENIENCE OF IT. AND CHEAPER THAN PARKING AND DRIVING. THEY WILL CONTINUE USING, BUT I THINK THIS CONCEPT -- I KNOW THAT HART IS COUNTY AND IT IS MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT, BUT IT WILL ENCOURAGE PEOPLE, HEY, IF YOU HAVEN'T USED THE BUS, IT IS FREE FOR NOW. USE IT. RIDE IT. THEY WILL GET USED TO IT. PSYCHOLOGICALLY I THINK IT WILL WORK. I THINK IT IS A GREAT IDEA. >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN I ADD A POINT TO THAT? THE STREETCAR ENDS AT WHITING. THAT IS WHERE ROUTE 1 STARTS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THEN IT IS A PERFECT -- I WON'T SAY LAST MILE CONNECTOR BUT A MORE SEAMLESS CONNECTION. >>VIK BHIDE: IF I CAN REFLECT REAL QUICK. BECAUSE YOU MADE A GOOD POINT. A GOOD COMPLEMENT. ROUTE 1 IS A GOOD COMPLE COMMITTEE TO THE STREETCAR. ROUTE 1 IS ALSO A CONNECTER TO USF. AS WE ALL KNOW, THERE IS GOING TO BE A NEW STADIUM. SO THAT AREA DOES NEED ADDITIONAL ATTENTION. AND ALL THE AREAS IN BETWEEN. AND THIS IS ONE OF MANY ROUTES. IT IS A CRITICAL ROUTE. IT IS HART'S MOST SUCCESSFUL ROUTE, I BELIEVE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, CARLSON AND VIERA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT ON THE STREETCAR. FOR '74 -- PRIOR TO '74, WE HAD A FANTASTIC BUS LINE CALLED CITY OF TAMPA TRANSIT. RIGHT HERE ON CLEVELAND IS -- WAS THE SERVICE AREA AND GARAGE TO FIX THE BUSES SO FORTH AND SO ON. HAD A PRETTY GOOD RIDERSHIP. RIGHT ON THE BOTTOM OF THESE THREE STEPS, HARRY ORR WAS COMING DOWN THE STEPS AND HE SAID IT WILL BE AN IDIOT TO TAKE ONE MONEY IN FEDERAL DOLLARS BECAUSE SENDING SOMEBODY HERE FROM WIMAUMA FOR A QUARTER. YOU CAN'T SURVIVE. YOU WILL FALL WITHIN YOUR OWN MEANS. HE WAS RIGHT. I HATE TO SAY THAT. HOWEVER, BEFORE I START CHANGING MY VOTE FOR MONEY SHIFTED AROUND. I NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE RIDERSHIP IN THE '60s, '70s, A '80s, '90s UNTIL NOW AND THE REVENUES GIVEN TO THAT. I WANT TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS. YOU TALK OF THE STREET CAR. THE STREET CAR WAS DESIGNED FOR MANY REASONS. ONE IS THE RIDERSHIP FOR POINT A AND POINT A. IN THE '90s FOR $180 MILLION. >>VIK BHIDE: '90s, YES MICHELINI MIRANDA PUBLIC MONEY AND HAD BUSINESS ALONG THE CORRIDOR AND ELECTRIC COMPANY CALLED TECO THAT PAID A PORTION OF IT. MADE TO HELP DEVELOP -- TO DEVELOP WHAT WE HAVE NOW ON THE EAST OF US. AND THE CITY WAS CALLED YBOR CITY FURTHER EAST OF US. BECAUSE THEY WERE DYING. AND IT CERTAINLY DID THAT. HOWEVER, SINCE IT WAS FREE, THE RIDERSHIP HAS GONE ON. SOB WOULD BE LUNCH AT THE RESTAURANT IF THEY WERE FREE, BUT THEY ARE NOT. WE HAVE THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND AS PUBLIC OFFICIALS. BEFORE I VOTE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, I HAVE TO KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE, FINANCIALLY WHAT IT COSTS AND WHAT -- IF THERE IS AN EXPECTATION AND WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DO NOT MEET NOSE EXPECTATIONS. THE ONLY WAY WE ARE GOING TO SOLVE THIS IS BY SAYING WE CAN'T DO IT THIS WAY ANYMORE. ONLY SYSTEM THAT WILL WORK IS NOTHING MORE IN THE STREET. IN RAIL AROUND US AND ABOVE US. AS THE AIRPORT DOES, IT WILL NOT WORK. THE PEOPLE, GOOD CITIZENS ARE USED TO MOVING SOMETHING QUICKLY. THEY DON'T WANT TO STOP AT EVERY STOPLIGHT AND DO THIS. IT WASTES THE ENERGY. OUR ATMOSPHERE. HELPS US KILL OURSELVES MORE BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: THIS IS A BIGGER CONVERSATION FOR ANOTHER DAY, I THINK. AND I THINK WE HAVE HART COMING IN AT SOME POINT TO TALK TO US. AS I UNDERSTAND IT -- AND CHARLIE, YOU CAN TELL ME IF I AM WRONG -- MY UNDERSTANDING IN TALKING TO PEOPLE, UNTIL THE '80s, CITY CONTROLLED TRANSIT AND HOUSING. AND THEN THE CITY ASKED FOR THE STATE TO SPIN THE TWO OFF TO CREATE THE HOUSING AUTHORITY AND HART. AND THE CITY'S AD VALOREM TAXES AND THE RIGHTS WERE MOVED TO THE TWO OTHER ENTITIES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T REMEMBER THAT. >>BILL CARLSON: THE POINT IS AUTONOMY AND CLEANER DECISIONS MADE AROUND THAT. SO UNTIL WE PUSHED THE LAST FEW YEARS, THE CITY DIDN'T SPEND ANY MONEY ON HOUSING AND WE PUT SOME IN THERE. WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT THE SIZE OF THE PROBLEM OF TRANSPORTATION IN HOUSING, WE CAN'T POSSIBLY FILL THAT. TO REPAIR THE POTHOLES IS $2 BILLION BECAUSE OF LACK OF FIXING THEM THE LAST FEW YEARS. I CAN TELL THAT YOU THE COSTITUENTS I TALK TO, THEY WANT -- PROBABLY MOST OF THEM WANT TRANSIT AND THEY WANT THE POTHOLES FIXED. BECAUSE SOME OF THE ROADS HAVE JUST BEEN QUICKLY PAVED OVER AND POTHOLES FILLED WHEN THE RAIN CAME. POT IT ALL OVER AGAIN. TEN TIMES FOR PROBLEMS. AND GOING AND FILLING POTHOLES WILL FIX THE PROBLEM LONG TERM. WE NEED TO FIX IT. ONCE WE FIX THE ROADS, PEOPLE WILL COME FORWARD AND BE MORE SUPPORTIVE OF IT. BUT THE POINT I WAS MAKING -- MAYBE WE CAN DISCUSS THIS WHEN HART COMES. I SAW IN MARCH OR SOMEWHERE THAT HART TALKED OF INCREASING ITS AD VALOREM TOX AND GET EACH OF THE MEMBER GOVERNMENTS TO VOTE ON IT AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. CAN'T HAPPEN. BUT THE CITY -- AND UNLESS A NEW TAX IS PASSED, THE CITY HAS NO MONEY TO DO ANY OF THIS. WE CAN'T AFFORD TO FILL POTHOLES. WE CAN'T AFFORD TO HIRE POLICE. I AM OKAY IF WE DO SOMETHING TEMPORARILY LIKE A SIX-MONTH PERIOD OR A YEAR, BUT NONE OF THESE PROJECTS SHOULD LOOK FOR LONG-TERM FUNDING BECAUSE WE CAN'T AFFORD IT. WE CAN'T AFFORD THE BASIC SERVICE. MID-LEVEL MANAGER WHO HAVEN'T GOTTEN RAISE IN MORE THAN TEN YEARS. IF WE CAN KEEP THE GOOD PEOPLE AND MOVE FORWARD AND PROTECT THE PUBLIC WITH PUBLIC SAFETY AND FIX POTHOLES, WE NEED FIGURE OUT HOW TO USE OUR EXISTING MONEY BETTER. >>LUIS VIERA: AND I WAS NEXT LINE. I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THE DISCUSSION AND THE IDEA. I SALUTE COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. I THINK THAT IS GREAT. YOU KNOW A LOT OF TIMES YOU GOT TO THINK OUTSIDED BOX AND THINKING TO OUTSIDE OF THE BOX IS A NEW NORM. IF YOU ASK US ON COUNCIL IN 2017 AND '18. SPEND 2 MILLION ON GENERAL REVENUE ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I WOULD GO REALLY? LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT. A LOT OF TIMES YOU HAVE TO COMFORT AND SAY, I HAVE A NEW IDEA, A NEW WAY OF DOING THINGS YOU HAVE TO BREAK THROUGH A MODE. A BIG PART OF HART FUNDING THE BASICS. PREMIUM TRANSIT. AND NOT LOOKING AT SOMETHING LIKE PREMIUM TRANSIT. NO BECAUSE OF A LACK OF DESIRE OBVIOUSLY ON THE PART OF HART, IT IS BECAUSE OF MONEY, UNFORTUNATELY. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THIS COULD HELP MOVE US FORWARD TEMPORARILY, MAYBE NOT. AGAIN, I THINK IT IS SOMETHING WORTH DISCUSSING. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT WHEN IT COMES TO TRANSPORTATION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA. AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE, WE HAVE -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT AMOUNT WILL BE COMING HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT YEAR OR SO, A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY FOR STREET REPAVING FROM THE TRANSPORTATION STAFF. AND THE SALES TAX REFUNDS AND TO GO BACK TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND HOPEFULLY TAKE CARE OF A LOT OF THAT WITH THOSE FUNDS, BUT MOVING FORWARD IN CRITICAL AREAS WHERE YOU DO HAVE HIGH RIDERSHIP. WE TALK OF HIGH RIDERSHIP. TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT IS. THOSE ARE MOMS, DADS, HARD-WORKING PEOPLE LOOKING TO GO TO WORK AT WALMART, AT PUBLIX, AT TARGET. GOING TO MEET THEIR SICK AND DYING RELATIVE. TAKING CARE OF THEIR MOM AND DAD, DROPPING OFF THEIR KID AT SCHOOL, WHATEVER IT NAY BE. THAT IS THE RELATIONSHIP WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AND THAT IS THE DISCUSSION THAT IS REALLY WORTH HAVING. THIS MOTION CARRIED UNAMINOUSLY OF COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK -- NOT A MOTION, BUT THE IDEA, THE REASON I WANT TO DISCUSS IT, SOMETHING THAT WILL MOVE WORKING FAMILIES OVER IN THEIR MOST CRITICAL NEED. WHEN I THINK OF RIDERSHIP SHIP, THAT IS WHAT RIDERSHIP IS. I AM PASSIONATE ABOUT HART AND THE MISSION THEY CAN DO. IF WE CAN MOVE IT FORWARD LIKE PREMIUM TRANSIT AND THE CRA, WE ARE LOOKING TO HAVE CRA IN CRA AREAS TO HELP OUT HART AS WELL. HART IS -- AGAIN, FOLKS ARE RIGHT. THIS IS PART OF A LARGER DISCUSSION. BUT ONE I AM VERY SUPPORTIVE OF HAVING. THERE YOU GO. >>VIK BHIDE: I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE JUST A SHAMELESS PLUG FOR OUR PARKING TEAM. SO A COUPLE OF YEARS BACK, THE HART CFO REACHED OUT TO US SAYING WE WOULD LIKE TO INCREASE SERVICE, BUT WILL REQUIRE AN INCREASE TO OUR STREETCAR BUDGET. AND WE DID. WE GOT CREATIVE WITH OUR TEAM AND INCREASED OUR STREETCAR BUDGET BY $350,000 FROM THE PARKING ENTERPRISE WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE THE 12-MINUTE SERVICE TODAY. WE HAVE A HISTORY OF SUPPORTING HART AND THEIR OBJECTIVES WHERE THEY ALIGN, BUT ALSO TO CONGRESSMAN CARLSON'S POINT. WHEN YOU JUST LOOK AT THE MANDATE, MANDATED SERVICES IN FRONT OF US, THEY ARE SO SEVERELY UNDERFUNDED THAT THEY HAVE TO BALANCE ALL OBJECTIVES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES, MA'AM. GO AHEAD. >>LYNN HURTAK: OH, OKAY. I -- I REALLY APPRECIATE PEOPLE'S COMMENTS. AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A -- THIS IS A CHALLENGE FOR EVERYONE. MR. MIRANDA -- COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, FIXED RAIL IS WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS. 100% WHAT EVERYONE WANTS. HERE IS THE THING. IT IS NOT $1 MILLION. IT IS LIKE $100 MILLION. AND THE OTHER THING PEOPLE DON'T THINK ABOUT WITH FIXED RAILS. I WANT TO RIDE FIX RAIL. ABLE TO WALK A BLOCK OR TWO FROM THEIR HOUSE AND GET ON FIXED RAIL. THAT IS NOT THE WAY IT IS GOING TO WORK. FIXED RAIL WILL BE THE SPINE, BUT THEN YOU WILL HAVE TO HAVE BUSES TO TAKE PEOPLE TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS FROM THE FIXED RAIL. SO MY -- MY GOAL IN THIS IS THE PILOT PROJECT TO ENCO ENCOURAGE TAMPANOS TO RIDE THE ABOUT US. THEY DON'T DO IT. WHEN I TALK TO FOLKS, THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TAMPA THAT IS THE BARRIER OF THE STREETCAR USED TO BE. YOU HAD TO PAY TO GET ON. THE IDEA IS TO GET PEOPLE TO GIVE IT IS A TRY -- IF YOU LIVE A MILE AWAY FROM ROUTE 1, YOU CAN PARK ON A NEIGHBORHOOD STREET, HOP ON THE ONE, GET TO EITHER USF TO DOWNTOWN. YOU CAN USE WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE. AGAIN IT IS SIMPLY A PILOT. SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO TRY. AND REALLY GET PEOPLE TO SAY, OH, WOW WOW, THIS IS COOL. EVEN IF I GET PEOPLE TO GO DOWNTOWN TO CURTIS HIXON WITH AN EVENT .A HARD TIME OF GETTING PARKING. IF THEY KNOW NECK GET TO THE ROUTE 1 FOR FREE, THEY CAN PARK IN THE SULPHUR SPRINGS AREA AND TAKE THE BUS DOWN. OR STAY UP AT USF. WHEREVER THEY ARE. PEOPLE CAN PARK THEIR CARS IN ALREADY AVAILABLE SPACES, HOP ON THE 1 AND GET DOWN AND NOT HAVE TO PAY THE PARKING FEE. NOT HAVING TO FINDS THINGS. AGAIN, WE ARE JUST STUCK. WE DON'T -- THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO DO IT THAN TO GIVE IT A TRY. I APPRECIATE PEOPLE -- PEOPLE'S WILLINGNESS. I CAN SIMPLY -- IF FOLKS WOULD LIKE, I COULD SIMPLY ASK HART TO COME ON SEPTEMBER 3, OUR FIRST BUDGET MEETING, EVENING MEETING AND DISCUSS THIS. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD -- WOULD WORK FOR PEOPLE IN TERMS OF -- >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY -- I GUESS I CAN. I AM CHAIR. HAVING HART COME -- SO WHERE ARE WE AT? AUGUST 19? YEAH, I WOULD -- I WOULD JUST FOR THEIR TIME, SINCE A LONG MEETING, I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE TIME LIMITED TO A TIME CERTAIN FOR THEM JUST OUT OF RESPECT FOR THEIR TIME. WE CAN EXPLORE THIS BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. AS YOU CAN TELL WITH MY REMARKS, I AM VERY SYMPATHETIC. >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM JUST THINKING -- EITHER I WILL MAKE THE MOTION NOW AND WE WILL SEE WHERE IT GOES OR I CAN HAVE THEM -- COUNCILMAN MIRANDA WANTED MORE INFORMATION. AND A WAY TO GET MORE INFORMATION. I AM SURE HART WILL COME AND SPEAK TO IT. WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL? >>LUIS VIERA: I WILL SECOND IT. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WON'T MAKE THE MOTION TO ASK THEM IN TO COME, I WILL JUST SIMPLY ASK. I WILL ASK IF THEY CAN BE FIRST ON THE AGENDA ON THE THIRD. >> SECOND. >>VIK BHIDE: CHAIR, JUST BECAUSE THIS IS A BUDGET DISCUSSION AND I WANT TO PROVIDE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY. WE HAVE COMMITTED EARLIER THIS YEAR TO HART, SHOULD THEY WIN A STATE GRANT THAT THEY APPLIED FOR AND RIGHT ALONG ROUTE 1 ITSELF, THAT WE WILL MATCH $ 00,000 FOR THREE YEARS. $1.8 MILLION TO THAT GRANT TO BASICALLY RUN BE A CIRCULATOR SERVICE THAT GOES NORTH OF WHITING ALONG THE FUTURE STREET CAR EXTENSION AND INTO YBOR AS WELL. THOSE ARE FUNDS AND WILL BE REALLOCATED WITHOUT IMPACTING THIS YEAR'S BUDGET SHOULD THAT BE THE DIRECTION THAT COUNCIL WANTS TO PROCEED WITH. >>LYNN HURTAK: I APPRECIATE THAT. I WILL WORK WITH YOU ON THAT THEN TO FIND EXACTLY WHERE TO FIND THE FUNDING FOR THAT. MANISCALCO OFF MOTION? >>LYNN HURTAK: MY -- I SIMPLY WAS GOING TO ASK HART TO COME AND EXPLAIN AND BY THE rd, I WILL HAVE A MOTION FOR WHERE TO FIND THE MONEY AND MORE SPECIFIC, I WILL HAVE OPTIONS OF WHAT WILL COST WHAT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO FORMAL MOTION. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WON'T MAKE THE FORMAL MOTION BECAUSE FOLKS HAVE ASKED FOR MORE INFORMATION, AND I WOULD LIKE RESPECT THAT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I HAVE A HART COMMITTEE MEETING -- SPEAKING OF HART, AND I WILL BE RIGHT BACK. GUILT CHIME IN ON MY MEETING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM. ANYTHING ELSE? IF NOT, OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 1, THE FISCAL 2025 OPERATING BUDGET. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, COME ON UP. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. >> ROCK, SCISSORS, PAPER. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SIR, IF YOU HAVE HANDOUT, PUT THEM ON THE OVERHEAD AND WE WILL DISPLAY THEM. >> I WILL GET IT FIGURED OUT, YES, SIR. MY NAME IS ROBERT BARROW. 30-YEAR RESIDENT OF TAMPA, ALL BUT TWO WERE SPENT HERE IN TAMPA. REDEPLOYED TO CAMP PENDLETON, CALIFORNIA. RETIRED AND LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY. DAUGHTER WENT TO PLANT. GORY UNIVERSITY. UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA. I AM CONSIDERING MYSELF A LOCAL GUY NOW. I'M HERE TO TALK OF ROADS, WHICH I HEARD SEVERAL COMMITTEE MEMBERS BRING UP. AND JUST RECENTLY, I -- I LIVE IN SOUTH TAMPA, JUST OFF OF BAYSHORE, SOUTH OF GANDY, NORTH OF INTERBAY. AND OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, I MADE CALLS INTO THE CITY REPORTING POTHOLES AND REPAIRS AND WHATNOT. AND I NEVER GOT A CALL BACK, AND SOMETIMES IT GOT REPAIRED. SOMETIMES DIDN'T. BEEN A YEAR AGO -- ONE YEAR AND TWO DAYS AGO, THERE WAS SOME PAVING EQUIPMET THAT WAS PLACED IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD DOWN AT THE APEX OF INTERBAY AND TYSON. I AM LIKE FINALLY. GOING TO ADDRESS BAYSHORE FROM GANDY TO INTERBAY. I LEFT FOR A THREE-DAY TRIP TO PENNSYLVANIA. I CAME BACK AND MADE A LEFT ON TYSON, THE STREET I LIVE ON AND IT WAS MILLED AND CRESCENT WAS MILLED. AND NICKELS WAS MILLED. INTERBAY WAS MILLED. AND LIPSCOMB WAS MILLED. A TOTAL 69549 FEET OF MILLED ROAD IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THE SECTION OF BAYSHORE THAT I AM TALKING ABOUT FROM GANDY TO INTERBAY IS 3200 FEET. SO I DON'T KNOW DISH SPENT A NOTE TO COMMISSIONER CARLSON. I SAID WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON. MY STREET WAS FINE. I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE MILLED AND PAVED BAYSHORE, NOT TYSON, INTERBAY AND CRESCENT. BY THE WAY, THEY LOOK GREAT NOW. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BUT THE OTHER EFFECT IS THE OUTGOING TRAFFIC FROM MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE RIGHT ON INTERBAY AND LEFT ON CRESCENT AND AS FAR AS THEY CAN AND BUMP BACK UP TO BAYSHORE. THERE ARE ROUGHLY 1400 TO 1500 VEHICLES THAT TRANSIT THAT SECTION OF BAYSHORE AND EVERYBODY SAYS THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. WE SUPPORT OUR BUILT. REALLY? GO DOWN THERE AND LOOK AT THE ROADS DOWN THERE. I HEARD NUMBERS OF $5 BILLION THAT THE RETIRED AND ACTIVE COMMUNITY PUTS IN TO THE LOCAL ECONOMY AND THIS IS THE BEST WE CAN DO? BY THE WAY, THERE IS NOT A ROAD. TAKING PAVEMENT, ASPHALT -- AND I DO SOME CONSULTING WORK SEVERAL LARGE SURETY COMPANIES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. WORKING ROAD AND HIGHWAY. HAVE FLORIDA ON THE TRANSPORTATION BUILDERS ASSOCIATION IN TALLAHASSEE, AND IT GOES ON. BUT WHAT I WANT TO SHOW YOU -- AM I GETTING UP ON MY TIME ALREADY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOUR TIME IS UP, SIR. >> THIS IS -- I DEFY TO YOU FIND A FIVE-FOOT SECTION ON THAT PIECE OF ROAD I AM TALKING ABOUT THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE -- CAN YOU SEE THIS? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, SIR. >>THE ENTIRE -- IT IS THE ENTIRE ROADWAY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, SIR. >> AND SO LET ME SHOW YOU WHAT IS GOING ON. ALL THESE CRACKS -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE TIME IS UP. THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. >> TIME IS UP? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN YOU SUBMIT THOSE TO US SO WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT. WE CAN SEE IT ON THE SCREEN. >> I WILL LEAVE THESE WITH YOU OR WHOMEVER. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE GENTLEMAN HERE. >> HE WILL COME BACK WITH AN ANSWER, TELL ME HOW 9500 FEET OF ROAD IS PAVED THAT DIDN'T -- THE GUY IN THAT BUSINESS DID NOT NEED TO BE PAVED ENDED UP GETTING PAVED. THE COST AT $ 50,000 TO MILL IT, PAVE IT, ETC. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU HAVE SIR. YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> THREE MINUTES. >> GOOD MORNING, DANA LAZARUS, 33605. TOO BAD GWEN HAD TO LEAVE. SHE IS ANY REP. I'M HERE TO ADVOCATE FOR THE THING OUR CITY LACKS THE MOST, THE BUS. I'M HERE AS A MEMBER OF THE GRASS-ROOTS TRANSPORTATIONED A VO SEE ORGANIZATION, THE SUNSHINE CITIZENS. AS A MEMBER OF THE TRANSPORTATION CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE SINCE 2017, AS CO-FOUNDER OF THE PUBLIC TRANSIT FOCUS GROUP, TRANSIT NOW TAMPA FATHER'S DAY. AS A HOMEOWNER IN HISTORIC NORTH YBOR AND A AICP URBAN PLANNER SPECIALIZED IN SUSTAINABILITY TRANSPORTATION AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU VIK, LYNN, GOO EDOE FOR THE DISCUSSION ON ROUTE 1 FOR FARE FREE. I'M HERE TO ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER ALLOCATING $10 MILLION TO HART'S BUDGET. WE DO NEED TO DISCUSS A RECURRING ALLOCATION. IT IS TIME FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA TO STEP UP AND PROVIDE A RECURRING FUNDING SOURCE FOR OUR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. WE NEEDED BETTER BUSES, EXPANDED ROUTES AT A MINIMUM AND PROJECTS WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR. HART HAS DONE INCREDIBLE THINGS ON A SHOESTRING BUDGET BUT IT IS NOT ENOUGH. WITH TEN YEARS OF RESEARCH, THE IMPORTANT THING IT LACK IS RECURRING CAPITAL AND OPERATIONAL FUNDING WHICH, AGAIN, FDOT CANNOT PROVIDE. COUNTY AND VOTING CITIZENS HAVE BEEN CALLED ON TO BOOST FUNDING FOR BUS SERVICE, THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS NOT STEPPED UP FOR THE RECURRING FOR THE GENERAL BUS SERVICE SINCE THE CREATION OF HART IN THE 1970s. WHY AM I HERE ASK FOR THIS TODAY? TO ASK OUR NONDISCRIMINATION AND EQUITY PLAN. TO DESIGN AND CARRY OUT THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT -- ON THE TIMING AND FREQUENCY OF THE BUS TO BE CHALLENGING. CARETAKERS ARE OFTEN WOMEN. DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACTS WOMEN AND MOTHERS. TAMPA USED TO BE THE MODEL OF CITY PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. WE CAN DO THAT AGAIN. CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE BUS SYSTEM ARE THE KEY TO UNLOCKING THE GREATNESS OF OUR CITY. 45 TO 50 OF THE LARGEST METRO AREAS IN THE NATION HAVE SECURED SOME SORT OF DEDICATED FUNDING FROM THEIR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO FUND THEIR TRANSIT ALLEGATION. SO PLEASE PROVIDE FUND TO OUR EXISTING BUS SYSTEM AT $10 MILLION. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. MARA OPSSAL, TO BE A THRIVING CITY FOR EVERYONE, TAMPA NEEDS PUBLIC TRANSIT. IT IS NOT -- IT IS A NECESSITY, NOT A LUXURY. PROVIDING PUBLIC TRANSIT SHOULD BE PART OF THE CITY'S MANDATE. CITY COUNCIL HAS THE POUTER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. YOU ARE MAKE DEGREE SIGNIFICANCESS USE OF FUNDS OF THE LARGEST BUDGET IN HISTORY. I'M HERE LIKE DANA TO ALLOCATE $10 MILLION FROM THE CITY'S BILLION DOLLAR BUDGET FOR HART. FOR TOO LONG, THE PEOPLE OF TAMPA DESPERATELY NEEDED MORE BUSES, HIGHER STOP FREQUENCY AND MORE EFFICIENT ROUTES THAT CONNECT PEOPLE TO THE PLACES THEY NEED TO GO. FOR DECADES, RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN CLAMORING FOR ALL OF THE ABOVE AND CITY OF TAMPA HAS NOT STEPPED UP TO PROVIDE LOCAL FUNDS SINCE THE '70s. COST OF LIVING IN TAMPA HAS SKYROCKETED AND ROADS ARE INCREASINGLY JAMMED WITH TRAFFIC. ROADS WOULDN'T BE IN SUCH BAD SHAPE IF WE WEREN'T CAR-DEPENDENT. YOU CAN MAKE A MEANINGFUL STEP TO MAKE TAMPA MORE AFFORDABLE AND LIVABLE FOR EVERYONE BY COMMITTING CITY FUNDS FOR PUBLIC TRANSIT. THE COUNTY CERTAINLY IS NOT GOING TO DO IT. IT IS UP TO YOU. HART HAS PERFORMED AMAZINGLY AS WELL CONSIDERING ITS INCREDIBLY MEAGER BUDGET WHICH IS HALF THE FUNDING LEVEL OF OUR PIER COMMUNITIES. BUT RELATIONSHIP AND DEMAND ARE WAY UP, AND HART IS ONLY ONE OF SEVEN PUBLIC TRANSIT AGENCIES NATIONWIDE THAT MANAGED TO REACH PRECOVID RIDERSHIP LEVELS. UNFORTUNATELY, HART RIDERS ARE SUFFERING BECAUSE OF THE INCREASE IN BOTH ROUTES AND DRASTICALLY DECREASED FREQUENCY OF SERVICE. ROUTES THAT USED TO RUN EVERY 30 MINUTES NOW RUN ONCE PER HOUR. IMAGINE PLANNING YOUR DAY AROUND THAT. EVEN THIS WITH THE VERY INFREQUENT SERVICE, RIDERSHIP IS STILL UP. STUDIES SHOWN THAT HART IS VERY EFFECTIVE DESPITE IT BEING INCREDIBLY UNDERFUNDED. WE CAN TRUST HART WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS. HART HATS MASTERED FINANCIAL DISCIPLINE. THEY JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY. IMAGINE WHAT HART CAN ACHIEVE WITH ANOTHER $10 MILLION A YEAR FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA. HERE IS A SHORT LIST OF SOME OF THE WAYS IT WILL IMPROVE YOUR LOCAL CON 12I67 WENTS' LIVES. TAMPA WILL BE MORE AFFORDABLE FOR PEOPLE WHO STRUGGLE TO PAY FOR HOUSING AND A CAR OR TWO TO GET TO WORK AND GET AROUND. IT PROBABLY WILL BE ABOUT $500 A MONTH SAVED IN CAR PAYMENTS, GAS, INSURANCE AND MAINTENANCE. PEOPLE WHO CAN'T DRIVE OR CAN'T AFFORD CAR WILL HAVE FAR MORE ACCESS TO MORE THINGS LIKE ACCESS TO BETTER JOBS. PEOPLE WHO ALREADY RELY ON HART BUSES TO GET TO WORK WILL HAVE BETTER ROUTES AND WILL HAVE HOURS SAVED TO SPEND TIME ON OTHER THINGS LIKE SPENDING TIME WITH THEIR CHILDREN ALL THAT TAMPA HAS TO OFFER WILL BE MORE AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE INCLUDING PEOPLE WHO CANNOT DRIVE. WE HAVE MANY OLDER RESIDENTS AND PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES WHO LACK INDEPENDENCE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO RELY ON FRIENDS AND RELATIVES TO DRIVE THEM. HOW WOULD YOU GET AROUND IF SUDDENLY YOU WERE UNABLE TO DRIVE? IT CAN HAPPEN TO ANYONE AT ANY TIME. I GUESS THAT IS MY THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM. YES, MA'AM. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> STEPHANIE POYNOR. CAN I HAVE AN EXTRA MINUTE. YOU GUYS HAVE WENT DOWN RABBIT HOLE AFTER RABBIT HOLE. AND I CAN TALK ABOUT TRANSPORTATION, HOUSING. THERE IS, LIKE, 60 DIFFERENT THINGS YOU GUYS HAVE DISCUSSED. I HAVE AN EXTRA MINUTE, PLEASE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSE? >> I WANT TO START OFF -- MY NAME STEPHANIE POYNOR. I WANT TO START OFF BY MENTIONING THE CLT. 25 TO 30 PROPERTIES ALREADY OWNED BY THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT CAN BE MOVED INTO THAT CLT WHEN IT IS UP AND RUNNING BUT WE NEED THE A OF TO FINISH THE WORK. MY UNDERSTANDING THAT PROJECT IS ABOUT 75% COMPLETE. THE CITIZENS BUDGET REVIEW COMMITTEE VOTED AGAINST THE PARKING -- WHATEVER IT IS FOR DOWNTOWN -- THE $1/2 12 MILLION THEY WANT TO SPEND ON THAT BECAUSE NOBODY FEELS LIKE DOWNTOWN NEEDS MORE MONEY FOR PARKING WHEN IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THEY ARE OVERPARKED BY, LIKE, TWO-THIRDS. TFR -- OKAY, WE SPENT A LONG TIME THIS MORNING TALKING OF TPD AND WHAT THEY NEED, AND YET AT THE SAME TIME THAT THAT PROJECT STARTED TFR WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE GOTTEN A FIRE STATION. YET HERE WE ARE AGAIN. WE HAVE NO FIRE STATION. WE HAVEN'T BROKEN GROUND. WE CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET IT DONE. THEY HAVE 739 PEOPLE BUDGETED AND ONLY 750. WHAT ARE WE DOING TO INCREASE OUR FIRE DEPARTMENTS BECAUSE WE KEEP BUILDING BIGGER AND BIGGER BUILDINGS. YOU KNOW IT IS DANGEROUS AND WE NEED MORE PEOPLE. I AM JUST SAYING. WE DIDN'T GET ANY 3069 THAT WAS PROMISED LAST YEAR. SO, YOU KNOW, THE BUDGET THINGS JUST WEAR ME OUT. IT IS ZONING GROUNDHOG DAY. I WANT TO POINT OUT SOMETHING FOR YOU. LAST YEAR WE TALKED OF THIS POSITION -- I COULD HAVE SWORN THIS POSITION, COUNCIL SAID DO WE REALLY NEED AN ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND CARBON ANALYST? WELL, I STARTED GOING THROUGH THE SALARIES BECAUSE YOU KNOW I LIKE TO LOOK AT THE INDIVIDUAL STUFF. AND THAT IS THE ONLY ONE THAT IS ABSOLUTELY OUTRAGEOUS. IT IS A 49% INCREASE IN SALARIES. 49 FRERZ LAST YEAR IN A POSITION WE HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT AND I REALLY DON'T REMEMBER AND I WILL HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE HEARINGS. IF I CAN REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I THINK -- I THINK THERE WAS SOME FOLKS ON COUNCIL THAT DIDN'T REALLY LIKE THIS POSITION TO START WITH AND COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT JOB WAS. I NEVER SEEN THIS PERSON. I HAVE NO IDEA WHO THEY ARE. BUT THIS -- THIS IS CHIEF BENNETT'S DEPARTMENT. WHY I WENT LOOKING IN CHIEF BENNETT'S DEPARTMENT THIS MORNING BECAUSE, WHEN I STARTED LOOKING AT THE STORMWATER ASSESSMENT -- OKAY, SO THIS IS THE STORMWATER ASSESSMENT PAGE. AND WHEN I STARTED LOOKING AT IT, I SAID WE GOT $15.5 MILLION. I AM NOT SURE WHY IT IS IN LICENSING AND PERMITS, BUT WHATEVER. SO I START LOOKING AT -- WAIT, WE ARE SPENDING $12.9 MILLION OF THAT STORMWATER ASSESSMENT FUND MONEY ON PEOPLE, WHICH IS FINE, BUT -- I MEAN, IF WE ARE PAYING ME PAZ A CITIZEN AND PAYING AN ASSESSMENT. I THINK THAT IS GOING TO OUR STORMWATER PROJECT. WE LOOK DOWN HERE IN OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS AND VERY HAVE VERY SMALL. BUT WHEN I PULL OUT THE STORMWATER ENGINEERING PROJECT. WE ARE UP TO $200 MILLION. I AM LIKE HOLY CRAP. WHAT GOT ME MORE INTERESTED WAS, I WENT BACK TO THAT $12 MILLION, $12.9348 IN SWALRY. I PULLED THOSE NUMBERS -- THE PAGES LOOKED LIKE THIS. AND I DIDN'T PRINT IT OUT. I PULLED THIS UP, THIS NUMBER FOR STORMWATER IS ONLY $8.4 MILLION. SO WHAT DID WE DO WITH THE OTHER 12ISH -- ARE -- THE OTHER $4 MILLION. THAT IS WHY I WENT TO CHIEF BENNETT'S BUDGET, I WAS L LIKE HMM, MAYBE THAT IS BENEFITS. I LOOKED AT THE BENEFIT AND ACCORDING TO THE STORMWATER SALARY BUDGET, WE ARE PAYING LIKE AN ADDITIONAL 4 3,000. GROWN THAT BENEFITS. I DON'T KNOW. GO AND DIG AROUND AND CHIEF BENNETT'S OFFICE HAS 107,000 ROUGHISH IN BENEFITS MONEY COMING OUT OF THERE WHICH IS $18,000. HOW IS IT THAT WE GOT THIS BIG DISCREPANCY. I AM SORRY, I AM NOT AN ACCOUNTANT NOR DO I WANT TO PLAY ONE AT CITY COUNCIL, BUT I KEEP WONDERING WHY THE NUMBERS DON'T ADD UP. EVERY NUMBERS PERSON THAT I MET MY HOLE WHOLE LIFE WANT THEM TO ADD UP AND NONE OF THEM ADD UP HERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT. ITEM NUMBER 2, THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA. COUNCILMAN VIERA. DO YOU WANT TO SET IT UP. >>LUIS VIERA: I WILL GO AFTER CHIEF TRIPP. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CHIEF TRIPP, IF YOU WANT TO KICK IT OFF. TAMPA FIRE RESCUE. TRIPP TRIPP GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL. BARBARA TRIPP, FIRE RESCUE. I DIDN'T GIVE A PRESENTATION. EVERYTHING IS IN BUDGET, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER. >>LUIS VIERA: THEN I GUESS I WILL SPEAK MANISCALCO JOHNTHAN AHEAD, SIR. >>LUIS VIERA: A COUPLE OF THINGS WITH TAMPA FIRE RESCUE. WHEN I LOOK AT -- WE HAVE TWO AND A HALF YEARS, A THOUSAND DAYS BEFORE WE ARE OUT OF HERE -- AT LEAST SOME OF US THAT ARE NOT GOING TO RUN FOR REELECTION OR WHATEVER. WHEN I LOOK AT THE THIS I THINK SO THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE FOR FIRE RESCUE OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS, I THINK THERE IS, FIRST, FLEET MAINTENANCE. THINGS THAT I THINK CAN BE DONE OVER THE NEXT TWO AND A HALF YEARS. MOVING OF FLEET MAINTENANCE OUT OF STATION 9, WHEREVER IT IS GOING TO BE. A MOTION I HAD SOME TIME AGO OF REAL ESTATE ACQUISITION IN EARLY OCTOBER TO MOVE IT TO SEPTEMBER SO WE CAN HAVE THAT INFORMATION WITH US WHEN WE -- FOR PURPOSES OF THE BUDGET. I THINK THAT WE CAN DO FLEET MAINTENANCE AND GET EVERYTHING DONE IN THE NEXT TWO AND A HALF YEARS. CHIEF, LET ME ASK YOU. I KNOW YOU ARE NOT A REAL ESTATE PERSON AND ETC. YOU GOT TO DEFER TO THEM IN THAT. DO YOU THAT I IS A GOAL THAT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED AT THETIME THAT MAYOR CASTOR LEAVES OFFICE? TRIPP TRIM OBVIOUSLY I WOULD LIKE THIS TO HAPPEN. I HAVE BEEN PUSHING FOR THIS THE LAST FEW YEARS. I AM LOOKING AT MINIMUM OF FIVE ACRES, IF NOT MORE. WE ACTUALLY NEED SEVEN, BUT I WILL IS SETTLE FOR FIVE. I WILL REAL ESTATE LOOK AROUND. WE WILL SOME POSITIVES. AND THEN, OF COURSE, WITH CERTAIN THINGS HAPPEN LEGALLY-WISE, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO FOLLOW THROUGH. CURRENTLY WE ARE -- I AM HOPING AND PRAYING. WE HAVE A MEETING NEXT WEEK WITH REAL ESTATE TO SEE ABOUT THIS ONE AREA OF PROPERTY THAT WE ARE LOOKING INTO. SO I WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO HAPPEN, YES. I WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO HAPPEN BEFORE I LEAVE TOO. >>LUIS VIERA: I KNOW YOUR SENTIMENTS OBVIOUSLY, BUT MY GOAL IS TO GET THIS DONE IN THE NEXT TWO AND A HALF YEARS. THAT IS WHY I AM MAKING A MOTION -- WHY I AM MAKE ACT MOTION TODAY OR I CAN MAKE IT ON THURSDAY IF NEED BE, SO WE CAN HAVE THAT INFORMATION FOR BUDGET. NEXT ONE IS STATION 24. THANK GOODNESS WE ALREADY HAVE THE PROPERTY FOR. >>CHIEF TRIPP: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: WHEN DO YOU THINK -- WE ALREADY HAVE A PROPERTY. WHEN DO YOU THINK WE WILL HAVE A GROUNDBREAKING FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF STATION 24 IN NORTH TAMPA. >>CHIEF TRIPP: I WISH IT COULD BE COME, BUT WE UNFORTUNATELY FINISHED THE CCNA PART OF IT. AND THIS IS ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY AS FAR AS THE STATION THAT I HAVE BEEN PUSHING TO MOVE FORWARD. I DON'T HAVE A TENTATIVE DATE YET. I KNOW WITH CAD -- I AM NOT QUITE SURE -- MR. MUDDERBACK CAN ADD TO IT WITH ALL THE DETAILS THAT ARE NEED. RICHARD MUDDERBACK: RICHARD MUDDERBACK, CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION. AS FAR AS A DATE, WE DON'T HAVE THE DATE YET. RFQ HAS BEEN DONE AND WE HAVE ALREADY SELECTED. FIRST STEP IS SELECTED A FIRM. TYPICALLY -- THESE TYPICAL NUMBERS, 12 TO 18 MONTHS FOR DESIGN AND PERMITTING AND ONE TO TWO YEARS FOR CONSTRUCTION DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS. >>LUIS VIERA: MY QUESTION IS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, LAST YEAR WE FUNDED -- DID WE FUND DESIGN FOR THIS LAST YEAR FOR STATION 24? >> RICHARD MUDDERBACK: CORRECT, WE USED THOSE DESIGNS IN THE SELECTION PROCESS. >>LUIS VIERA: AGAIN, I AM ASKING AS A LAYPERSON. WHY THE DELAY OF LAST YEAR WHEN WE FUND ANDED THAT TO RIGHT NOW. NO ERDZ, WHY ARE THINGS TAKING THE TIME THEY ARE TAKING BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL ASK THAT. >> RICHARD MUDDERBACK: I APOLOGIZE. I MISSPOKE. I AM MIXING PROJECTS NOW. THE DELAY IN JUST GETTING THE -- GETTING THE PACKAGE PREPARED TO GO BACK -- GETTING THAT DESIGN CRY TER REAR I CAN'T OUT PREPARED BASED ON INFORMATION PROVIDED, YOU KNOW, THAT INTERVIEW PROCESS WITH THE DEPARTMENT. AND THAT WE HAVE -- AND AS WE HAVE SPECIFIC DETAILS IN THAT SCOPE FOR THE PROJECT WHEN GO GO OUT TO RFQ. >>. >>LUIS VIERA: WITH THE INFORMATION YOU HAVE, THE PROJECT STATION 24 THAT WE WILL HAVE GROUND BREAKING IN THE NEXT YEAR? HOW LONG WILL THAT TAKE? >> RICHARD MUDDERBACK: 12 TO 18 MONTHS FOR PERMITTING. >>LUIS VIERA: EXTRA YEAR AND A HALF? >> RICHARD MUDDERBACK: IT'S POSSIBLE. >>LUIS VIERA: YEAH, AND THE THIRD THING WE ARE LOOKING AT -- WE ARE NOT HAVING A DISCUSS AND WE NEED TO, SOMETHING FOR DOWNTOWN TAMPA. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME SORT OF A FEASIBILITY STUDY OR SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN GET FLEET MAINTENANCE DONE BY THE TIME WE ARE OUT OF HERE. GET STATION 24 FROM THE TIME WE ARE OUT OF HERE AND WE HAVE AT LEAST LAID THE SEEDS OF SOMETHING IN DOWNTOWN TAMPA WE HAD DIFFERENT DISCUSSIONS. PUT UP ONE. PUT UP A MEDICAL-ONLY FACILITY IN THE CHANNELSIDE AREA. AGAIN, I AM NOT A TFR OR FIRE EXPERT. I WILL REFER TO NEW THAT REGARD. AND THINGS I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO DO. WE ARE A GROWING CITY, AS YOU KNOW. IN MY OPINION, WHEN I SAY WE ARE FALLING BEHIND. WE ARE FALLING BEHIND NOT BECAUSE OF YOU OR ANYBODY IN OFFICE OR ANYBODY HERE, POPULATION GROWTH THE LAST 15 TO 20 YEARS, 25% INCREASE HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA. WE HAVE A NEW CITY WITHIN A CITY IN DOWNTOWN TAMPA. WEST TAMPA CONTINUES TO GROW. SOUTH TAMPA IS BOOMING AND GROWING. NEW TAMPA CONTINUES TO HAVE CHALLENGES. NORTH TAMPA NORTH TAMPA, INCLUDE STATION 24, FOURTH STATION FOR NEW OR NORTH TAMPA IN THE LAST FOUR TO SIX YEARS BECAUSE OF THE VAST POP EWE GROWTH. FOR ME THAT BIG OBVIOUSLY. I GO BACK TO THE IDEA OF REVENUE. A YEAR AGO I PROPOSED THE .3 MILLAGE INCREASE WILL CHOP DOWN THE MAYOR'S TAX, AND FOCUS IT 100% ON POLICE AND FIRE FIGHTERS. WHY IS THAT? BECAUSE WE NEED THOSE FUNDS. WE NEED THOSE FUNDS ON SOMETHING WE ARE RUNNING BEHIND ON SO WE CAN ACCELERATE THIS. AGAIN, FOR ME, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THESE THINGS DONE OBVIOUSLY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. OBVIOUSLY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. AND THAT IS WHY I WILL BE MOTIONS TO HAVE THIS REPORT ON STATUS OF REAL ESTATE ACQUISITION DONE -- WHATEVER MY MEMO SAID, SOMETIME IN MID SEPTEMBER. ARE WE ALLOWED TO MAKE MOTIONS TODAY? >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: I WILL MAKE IT AT THE END. THAT'S IT FOR NOW. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ROUGHLY 32 MONTHS BEFORE THE END OF THIS TERM. THAT IS THE TIMELINE. YOU KNOW, THE GENTLEMAN SAID ABOUT 18 MONTHS, 12 TO 18 MONTHS. SO IT CAN FIT. YES, MA'AM. >>LYNN HURTAK: I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. MUDDERBACK FIRST. AND DON'T GO ANYWHERE CHIEF TRIPP, BECAUSE I HAVE MORE FOR YOU. FOLLOWING UP ON WHAT COUNCILMAN VIERA SAID, WE PUT THE FUNDING IN FOR DESIGN OF 24 IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET. BUT YOU ARE TELLING US THE DESIGN HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED? >> RICHARD MUDDERBACK: CORRECT. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT HAPPENED IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS? >> RICHARD MUDDERBACK: WE PREPARED -- WE GOT -- WE GOT EVERYTHING PREPARED TO GO OUT TO -- TO PUBLIC FOR THE RFQ. WE WERE PREPARING -- INTERNALLY THAT DESIGN CRITERIA PACKAGE GOING BACK AND FORTH. THAT PROCESS STARTS WITH OUR ARCHITECTS INTERVIEWING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. AND INCORPORATING FACILITIES AND, YOU KNOW, OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND COMING UP WITH THAT SCOPE AND DESIGN CRITERIA PACKAGE. >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU ARE TELLING US IT TAKES 12 MONTHS TO DEVELOP A SCOPE BY AND LARGE? >> RICHARD MUDDERBACK: NO, MA'AM. I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFICS AS FAR AS WHAT DELAYED GETTING IT OUT TO -- TO RFQ. I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY. BUT GENERAL LEAP SPEAKING, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE? >> RICHARD MUDDERBACK: IT COULD TAKE -- IT COULD TAKE TWO, THREE, FOUR MONTHS, IF NOT MORE, DEPENDING ON THE RESPONSIVENESS OF ALL THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND DIVISIONS THAT WE ARE TALKING TO. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. BACK TO CHIEF TRIPP. THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF QUESTION ABOUT FIRE FIGHTERS. AND THE NUMBER WE HAVE AND THE NUMBER WE ARE ALLOCATED. CAN YOU TELL ME RIGHT NOW ON THE STREET, HOW MANY ACTUAL FIRE FIGHTERS WE HAVE? >>CHIEF TRIPP: SWORN? I WANT TO SAY PROBABLY 150, 160ISH. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF HIRING SOME MORE -- ADDITIONAL FIRE FIGHTERS. WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS NOW. SO I AM HOPING TO ADD 20 MORE. >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU MEAN 750? >>CHIEF TRIPP: I AM SORRY, YEAH. I CAN GET THE ACTUAL NUMBER. I WANT TO SAY ABOUT 750, 760, GIVE OR TAKE. I KNOW WE HAVE ABOUT 39 OPEN POSITIONS FROM THE 7934 THAT WE ARE ALLOTTED. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION, ALLOTTED 793 FOR 2024? >>CHIEF TRIPP: YES, MA'AM. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT IS THE ALLOCATION FOR 2025? TRIM TRIPP WELL, WE PUT IF NOR SAFER GRANT, WHICH IS -- WOULD ASSIST WITH PERSONNEL. WE PUT IN FOR 18 ADDITIONAL FIRE FIGHTER POSITIONS. THAT WILL ASSIST WITH THE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES I AM TRYING TO ADD BECAUSE OF THE GROWTH. LIKE I SAID, IT HAS TAKEN TIME TO BUILD STATIONS. WHAT I AM TRYING TO DO, AS I STATED PREVIOUSLY, WE HAVE ABOUT FIVE STATIONS THAT CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE TRANSPORT UNITS. I GO BACK TO THE NUMBER AND THE MASTER PLAN AND THE NEED ANALYSIS THAT WE HAD COMPLETED IN '21. SO THIS ADMINISTRATION IS WORKING OFF THAT NEED ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATIONS WHICH ARE SHOWING. AND THE POINT IS, WE NEEDED TO ADD MORE RESOURCES. BY THAT, I PURCHASE TEN RESCUE CAR AS THE ONE TIME. I HAVE ANOTHER FIVE ON. ADDITIONAL UNITS TO ASSIST WITH THE TRANSPORT. THE ONLY THING WE DON'T HAVE -- TO ASSIST WITH THE NUMBERS AND THE CALL VOLUMES. DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO PUT THEM. BUT WILL PUT THEM IN CURRENT STATIONS NOW BECAUSE IT HAS TAKEN TIME TO BUILD STATIONS. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY, SO -- YOU CURRENTLY FROM 750 PEOPLE. IN 2024, AN AL OCCASION OF 739. THE 2025 ALLOCATION IS 811? >>CHIEF TRIPP: 793 PLUS 18 IF WE GET THAT. TIME SORRY. >>LYNN HURTAK: MY BACK-OF-THE-NAPKIN MATH. IT WAS 811. MY QUESTION THEN, I GUESS, TO CHIEF BENNETT WOULD BE, SIMILAR TO THE WAY THAT WE SAID THAT WE WERE GOING TO HIRE THOSE 30 POLICE OFFICERS LAST YEAR, WHETHER OR NOT WE GOT THE SAFER GRANT, I THOUGHT HE HAD DONE THE SAME THING FOR TPD -- OR FOR TFR, BUT CAN -- IS THERE A GUARANTEE THAT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT WE GET THIS GRANT, WE WILL GET THOSE 18 POSITIONS SIMILAR TO WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR WITH -- WITH THE POLICE? >>JOHN BENNETT: IF I AM HEARING THE QUESTION -- JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF. IF I AM HEARING THE QUESTION RIGHT, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE SAFER GRANT, IS THE CITY IN A POSITION TO FUND 18 MORE POSITIONS? >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. >>JOHN BENNETT: I WILL DEFER TO CHIEF TRIPP AND THE CFO, BUT I WOULD SAY WE ARE NOT IN THE POSITION TO GET THOSE WITHOUT THE GRANT. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY, THANK YOU. THEN -- SO WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING IS YOU HAVE FIVE CARS THAT ARE COMING THAT YOU ARE LOOK TO PUT IN FIVE DIFFERENT STATIONS. >>CHIEF TRIPP: YES, MA'AM. >>LYNN HURTAK: SOMETHING YOU SAID EARLIER, SOMETHING OF HAVING TEN RESCUE CARS ON ORDER? >>CHIEF TRIPP: NO, I ORDERED THEM BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN WE HAVE ONES THAT WERE OUTDATED AND WE WERE ADDING MORE RESOURCES. I WILL SAY THE BUDGET OF '21 AND '22. TEN ADDITINAL RESCUE CARS TO REPLACE THE OUTDATED ONES WE HAD AND ADD THE ADDITION ALE RESOURCES. >>LYNN HURTAK: HAVE THEY COME TRIM TRIPP TEN HAVE COME AND FIVE MORE ON ORDER. MY GOAL IS TO TRY TO PUT THOSE CARS -- I AM HOPING TO GET THE SAFER GRANT TO ADD THE ADDITION PAL PERSONNEL OF THOSE UNITS ARE TO PUT IN THE STATIONS THAT DON'T HAVE TRANSPORT UNITS. >>LYNN HURTAK: THE TEN WERE TO SIMPLY REPLACE THE OLD ONE. >>CHIEF TRIPP: REPLACE AND ADD, YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: THE FIVE ON ORDER IS TO HELP EXPAND. >>CHIEF TRIPP: ADDITIONAL, YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHERE ARE WE IN THE ACQUISITION? >>CHIEF TRIPP: THE TEN THAT COME IN ALREADY. THEY ARE NOT ON THE STREETS. THEY ARE GOING THROUGH -- THE PREDELIVERY INSPECTIONS THAT THEY ARE DOING. >>LYNN HURTAK: WE HAVE THEM? >>CHIEF TRIPP: WE HAVE THEM. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY. >>CHIEF TRIPP: THREE MORE THAT CAME FROM FISCAL YEAR '21 BECAUSE OF THE MANUFACTURERS HAVING A DELAY AND SHOULD BE HERE IN OCTOBER. THE OTHER TWO WILL BE NEXT YEAR COMING IN. >>LYNN HURTAK: FOLLOWING THAT, HOW MANY ARE YOU ORDERING THIS YEAR? TRIM TRIPP FOR FISCAL YEAR 20 -- >>LYNN HURTAK: 25. >>CHIEF TRIPP: 25, YET. I'M DOING A REPLACEMENT PLAN INTERNALLY TO REPLACE A LOT OF THOSE OUTDATED. DEPEND ON WHAT WE GET IN THE BUDGET. I ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING IN THE BUDGET BECAUSE GETTING $ 2 MILLION WITH THE CIP AND IT I ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THE UNITS, RESCUE CARS, ENGINES AND TRUCKS. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE COST OF IT HAS COST $2.4 MILLION FOR A TRUCK. >>LYNN HURTAK: FOR A FIRE ENGINE. >>CHIEF TRIPP: A TRUCK, THE ONE WITH THE LADDER. ENGINES RUNNING $1 MILLION AND RESCUE CORES A LITTLE OVER 4 MILLION. >>LYNN HURTAK: WE CAN GET ONE ENGINE AND TWO RESCUE CAR'. >>CHIEF TRIPP: I NEED TO ORDER A TRUCK. THE DATE IS COMING UP. I ASKED FOR AN ADDITIONAL THREE TO HELP REPLACE THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: MR. ROGERO, WERE WE ABLE TO HAVE THE ADDITIONAL $3 MILLION IN THE BUDGET FOR FIRE? SORRY, YOU WILL HAVE TO COME UP TO THE MIC. >>DENNIS ROGERO: I WAS JUST LOOKING U CONCURRENT WITH FIRE CHIEF, SHOWING $5.4 UNTIL TOTAL TO REPLACE FIRE VEHICLES. DOES THAT ACCOMMODATE YOUR -- I THOUGHT IT DID. >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM JUST DOUBLE CHECKING. I KNOW SHE KNOWS, BUT YOU -- YOU ARE THE -- YOU ARE THE GURU OF IT ALL. >>DENNIS ROGERO: TRYING. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. GOOD NEWS. WE ARE TO DO THAT. OTHER THING MR. ROGERO -- >>DENNIS ROGERO: I APOLOGIZE. >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAD SEVERAL -- SEVERAL CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS WITH -- WITH THE UNION AND THE FIRE CHIEF ABOUT -- RIGHT NOW WE ONLY HAVE $400,000 IN THE CIP FOR FIRE STATION IMPROVEMENTS THIS YEAR? >>DENNIS ROGERO: I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK. >>LYNN HURTAK: IT DOES. SHOWS $400,000. BUT IT HAS -- YOU KNOW, 12 MILLION, $11 MILLION FROM PREVIOUS YEARS. AND I JUST WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK RIGHT HERE, THAT THAT 12 MILLION ALREADY THE MILLIONS THAT WE ALLOCATED IN PRIOR YEARS BUT HAVE NOT USED YET, IS THAT MONEY STILL THERE? >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES. I WILL DOUBLE CHECK. I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS DEAD ON. INDICATED IN THE REPORTS AS A REMAINING BALANCE, IT IS THERE. >>LYNN HURTAK: A LOT OF IT IS FOR STATION 24 AND FLEET AND SUPPLY THAT WE HAVEN'T SPENT THE MONEY, BUT WE WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT THE MONEY IS STILL THERE WAITING TO ARE USED. THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND CHIEF TRIPP, ON THAT, WE ONLY HAVE $400,000 FOR THESE STATIONS IMPROVEMENTS THIS YEAR. WHAT IMPROVEMENTS DO WE NEED OF THE OLDER FIRE STATIONS AND DO YOU NEED MORE THAN $400,000 TO DO IS THAT? >>CHIEF TRIPP: YES, DEFINITELY. SO AS I HAVE BEEN STATING, THESE STATIONS ARE OUTDATED 65 YEARS OLD. AND THEY REALLY DON'T ACCOMMODATE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES WE PUT IN. SO FOR SOME OF THE STATIONS WE WENT IN AND DONE SOME REMODELING TO THE BATHROOMS AND THINGS. STATION NINE, FOR EXAMPLE, TWO STATION RUNNING OUT OF TWO BAY DOORS AND IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TOICS AND THAT OVER THE TIME. BUT A LOT OF THE STATIONS THAT ARE REALLY OUTDATED OR BUILT IN 58, I THINK WE NEED TO GO IN AND REMODEL AND BRING UP TO CODES AND STUFF AND MAKE SURE THE FIREFIGHTERS WERE LIVING IN DECENT FACILITIES. WITH THAT, HONESTLY I DON'T KNOW. I KNOW THE PRICE HAS WENT UP WHEN IT COMES TO CONCRETE, AND AS FAR AS LABOR FOR -- FOR REMODELING AND STATIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. WE DID STATION 25. AND OF COURSE WE SPENT RIGHT AT $1 MILLION TO REMODEL THAT STATION. SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS GOING TO COST $1 MILLION PER STATION TO REMODEL. BUT THE ONLY CHALLENGES WITH THAT, AS WELL, TOO, ME AND MISS COLINA HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT. AT SOME OF THE SEMINARS I HAVE BEEN ATTENDING PORTABLE FIRE STATIONS TO PUT -- RIGHT NOW I KNOW YOU GOT COMPLAINTS FROM PREVIOUS FIRE FIGHTERS OF THE CONDITIONS DOING WORK IN THE FIRE STATIONS AS FAR AS ABOUT EXPOSED TO DIFFERENT THINGS. A LOT OF DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES OUT THERE THAT WE CAN INVEST IN PORTABLE FIRE STATIONS UNTIL WE GET THROUGH, YOU KNOW, BUILDING ALL THE STATIONS. ONCE WE PURCHASE IT, WE CAN MOVE IT FROM STATION TO STATION. THE INDIVIDUALS WOULD BE SOMEWHERE COMFORTABLE AND NOT BEING EXPOSED TO SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION GOING ON. I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS TO SEE HOW WE CAN IMPROVE A LOT OF FIRE STATIONS. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS ACTUALLY A GREAT QUESTION. MISS COLINA, YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH HER ON THIS THEN, THE FIRE STATIONS. >>ADRIANA COLINA: ABSOLUTELY. >>LYNN HURTAK: THE PORTABLE. HOW DOES THAT WORK IN FLORIDA? >>ADRIANA COLINA: WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE MEETING WITH THAT VENDOR HERE SOON. IT WAS AN IDEA THAT CHIEF TRIPP BROUGHT BACK FROM A CONVENTION. WE ARE GOING TO SEE IF THAT IS GOING TO WORK. I WANT TO CLARIFY, WE HAVE ASKED A LOT MORE THAN THE $400,000 THAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO. YOU MAY BE JUST LOOKING AT FIRE'S BUDGET. BUT FACILITIES, OUR LOGISTIC. WE ASKED FOR A LOT OF MONEY, AS CHIEF TRIPP MENTIONED OVERHEAD DOOR REPLACEMENT. WE ASKED FOR HVAC. WE ASKED FOR DRIVEWAY APRON REPAIRS AND A LOT OF OTHER REMODELLING. FY '21-'23 NOVEMBER TIME FRAME, INVESTED $7 MILLION IN FIRE STATIONS CITYWIDE. I TOLD YOU BEFORE AND IT IS WORTH SAYING AGAIN. WE INVESTED $80,000 OF DEEP CLEANING IN STATIONS THAT HAD NOT OCCURRED IN DECADES IF EVER. WE ARE VISITING EACH INDIVIDUAL STATION WORKING WITH OUR TFR AN WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. A LOT MORE THAN $400,000 THAT WE ASKED FOR NEXT YEAR. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY, YES. AND I THINK THAT IS WHERE A LOT OF THE COULD BE FUSION GOES, WHAT IS IN A SILTS AND WHAT IS IN FIRE. >>ADRIANA COLINA: IT CAN BE CONFUSING, BUT AS I MENTIONED EARLIER WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS OF FACILITIES CITYWIDE. FIRE IS NO DIFFERENT. IT CAN BE CONFUSING. I COME TO YOU OPEN EVERY TIME. I SHARE YOU WITH WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. WHAT WE HOPE TO DO. NOT EVERYTHING IS FUNDED. WE CAN'T FUND EVERYTHING. WE DO TRY. WE SHARE YOU WITH THE ONES THAT ARE IMPORTANT. I CAN TELL YOU THAT I GAVE MY BEST TO THE POSITION EVERY DAY AND PROUD OF THE JOB I HAVE DONE AND THE JOB I CONTINUE TO DO AND PROUD OF WAIT I SERVE MY CUSTOMERS. >>LYNN HURTAK: OH, ABSOLUTELY. GUESS MY QUESTION -- I LOOKED AND SEEN THE LINE ITEMS FOR THE DOORS AND AIR CONDITIONERS AND THE GENERATORS, ALL OF THAT, AND THE DRIVEWAY APRONS. WHAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN THE $400,000. THAT IS JUST LIKE SMALLER NATIONAL GO IN EACH STATION. OR A SPECIFIC -- I THINK THAT IS SORT OF THE QUESTION OF -- THE OTHERS ARE MORE LINE ITEM BUT THE 400 SEEMS MORE BIG. >>ADRIANA COLINA: YOU ARE TALKING OF THE ONE SPECIFICALLY IN FIRE'S BUDGET SOMEBODY IN. >>ADRIANA COLINA: SOMETHING THAT CHIEF TRIPP CAN ANSWER TO. BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT SOME PROJECTS ARE SMALLER AND FIRE STATION NUMBER ONE A PROBABLY A GOOD EXAMPLE WHERE SHE RECEIVED FUNDING IN HER BUDGET, AND OPTED TO USE THE JOBS PROGRAM TO DO THAT. IT WASN'T FACILITIES TO DO THAT CONTRACTING. AND THOSE ARE THINGS SHE WANTS TO DO. WHAT I LOOK AT IS, WHAT DO I NEED TO DO CITYWIDE. I NEED TO SPREAD MY LOVE ACROSS THE CITY AND OUR FUNDING. BUT MAY BE OTHER ITEMS THAT OTHER DEPARTMENTS WANT TO DO. AND SO THEY REQUEST THOSE. HE. >>LYNN HURTAK: IF WE WERE GOING TO DO -- SO WHAT -- -- THIS IS GOING TO SOUND WEIRD. WOULD A POP-UP FIRE STATION SOMETHING BECOME PUT ON ANY LOT? OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE CONNECTED TO A CURRENT FIRE STATION? >>ADRIANA COLINA: TO WE ARE LOOKING AT ALL OF THAT. LIKE I SAID, WE ARE MEETING WITH -- NOT SOMETHING WE CURRENTLY HAVE. LOOKING WHAT SPACE DO WE NEED. WHAT IF ANYTHING WE NEED. WHAT KIND OF SET-UP WE NEED. WE DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER AND HOPING TO MEET WITH THIS PERSON IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS AND LEARN. J JUST AN IDEA. WENT TO THE CITY OF ST. PETE AND ORLANDO, WE KIND OF SEE WHAT IS OUT THERE. WHAT ARE BEST PRACTICES. AND ASSESS TO SEE IF IT IS A VIABLE OPTION FOR US. >>LYNN HURTAK: ARE OTHER PEOPLE USING THESE? >>CHIEF TRIPP: THEY ARE. WE HAD SOME SET UP WITH THE CONVENTION THAT THEY HAD. I SAW IT AT THE LAST CONVENTION I WENT TO. THEY COME OUT AND THEY SET IT UP AND DIFFERENT PODS THAT THEY CAN CONNECT TOGETHER DEPENDING ON WHAT YOUR NEEDS ARE. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT SOUNDS INTERESTING. ALSO SOUNDS -- I DON'T EVEN WANT -- I DO SORT OF WANT TO ASK OF THE COST AND SEEMS LIKE YOU ARE NOT IN THAT AREA YET IF YOU ARE TRYING TO LEARN ALL THE OTHER PARTS, SO WE -- >>CHIEF TRIPP: IT IS PRETTY MUCH AND PURCHASE IT, AND IT IS JUST TO KEEP. BASICALLY YOU CAN -- ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE MULTIPLE STATIONS THAT YOU NEED TO DO SOME SERIOUS REMODELING AND REPAIRS ON. IT IS PRETTY MUCH YOURS TO KEEP. I THINK HE TOLD ME THE LIFESPAN. IT WAS, LIKE, 20 YEARS. BUT SOMETHING -- JUST STARTED LOOKING AT TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, SEE ABOUT HELPING OUT. >>ADRIANA COLINA: AT THIS POINT WE HAVE A QUOTE TO PURCHASE AND RENTAL AND WE ARE PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT BOTH. WE ARE NOT SURE IF EITHER WILL WORK FOR US AND THEN TALK FROM THERE. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT SOUNDS A LITTLE OUTSIDE-THE-BOX CONSIDERATION. WE ARE TALKING A LOT OF OUTSIDE NIGHT. MR. ROGERO. >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, COUNCIL, DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER. [NO ENCODER] >> -- $15 MILLION. WE TOOK THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY -- ADRI AND HER TEAM AND CHIEF TRIPP HAD MEET WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY WHO BUILT THREE IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS. THEY TOOK TRIP TO ORLANDO, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE ELSE, LOOKING AT OTHER STATIONS, OTHER FACILITIES. WE REACHED OUT TO OUR -- TO FIRMS. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD A PRECISE -- MORE PRECISE AND REASONABLE BUDGET TO BRING FORTH TO PUT FORTH IN THAT -- AND WITH -- WITH WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE PAST. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DESIGN CRITERIA PACKAGE WAS SPECIFIC ENOUGH AND THIS RFQ REPRESENTED A NUMBER THAT WE FELT CONFIDENT IN SO BE ABLE TO BUILD THAT FOR. THANK YOU. >>LYNN HURTAK: DO YOU WANT TO SHARE THAT NUMBER? >> RICHARD MUDDERBACK: I DON'T HAVE IT WITH ME. >>LYNN HURTAK: NO WORRIES. >> I WILL BE BACK IN TWO MINUTES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF NOTHING ELSE? OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE DEER IN THE HEADLIGHTS LOOK. I GET THAT ALL THE TIME ON LEGAL CASES. SOMETIMES YOU HAVE SO MUCH DIFFERENT WORLDS IN YOUR MIND AND JUST REALLY FAST, A COUPLE OF THINGS. I WOULD STRESS TO THE CITY THAT PER THESE PROJECTS, FLEET MAINTENANCE IN '24. WE SET OUT THE BOND FOR THEM WHEN, AGAIN, THE REVENUE SOURCE OF .3 WHICH WOULD BE $5 A MONTH FOR THE AVERAGE HOUSE HOLD IN TAMPA. WHEN THAT FAILED FOR CITY COUNCIL. I PUSHED ON BOND AND CHIEF TRIPP YOU AGREE AND DONNIE WITH LOCAL 754, YOU AGREE. AND THINGS THAT ARE NECESSARY. YOU GOT TO THE GET IT DONE PAY FOR IT. BOND IT. A HYBRID. WHATEVER THIS IS GOING TO BE. I ASK ABOUT THAT BY THE TIME WE LEAVE IN 2027, BECAUSE THESE ARE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. I KNOW I AM PREACHING TO THE CHOIR. BUT THEY ARE BONDED AND LET'S GET THEM DONE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THE CAD SYSTEM, I FORGET TO ASK OF THAT, WHERE ARE WE IN THAT PROCESS, MAY I ASK? TRIM TRIPP TO GO THROUGH THE S.O.W. THE SCOPE OF WORK WITH THE VENDOR. WE HAVE SELECTED THE VENDOR. AND HOPING WE CAN START IMPLEMENTING BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR. >>LUIS VIERA: GREAT. THANK YOU, MA'AM. QUICK QUESTION. FOR THE FOLKS, THE PERSONNEL WORKING AT STATION 24, THAT WILL BE PERCEIVABLY REQUESTED IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET? >>CHIEF TRIPP: SORRY? >>LUIS VIERA: THE FIRE FIGHTERS AT 24. WILL THAT BE A BUDGET ASK FOR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET? TRIM TRIPP THE STAFFED AT STATION 13 IS FOR 24. THAT WILL BE MOVED. BASICALLY MORE OF A SHUFFLE GAME. I REMOVE RESOURCE OUT OF STATION 13 TO ACCOMMODATE STATION 24 BEING THERE. SO ONCE THAT HAPPENED, THEN ONCE AGAIN, I AM GOING TO LOOK AT MY NUMBERS AGAIN, A BECAUSE THIS STATION WILL BE BIG ENOUGH TO ADD ADDITIONAL RESOURCES AS NEEDED. WE WILL LOOK AT OUR NUMBERS. AND USE THE PERSONNEL. LIKE I SAID, I ASK EVERY YEAR TO TRY TO GET ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL AND THE SAFER GRANT. HAS BEEN ABLE TO HELP US OUT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SNICK WHY HE? >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN I DO A QUICK FOLLOW-UP BEFORE HE COMES UP. ACTUALLY GO ARE QR AHEAD, MR. MUDDERBACK. I WILL ASK HIM. >> RICHARD MUDDERBACK: $ $13 MILLION TO $19 MILLION IS THE ESTIMATE. >>LYNN HURTAK: BETTER THAN $24 MILLION. THAT WAS ON THE TABLE AT ONE POINT. AND THEN -- I GUESS I NEED TO GET BACK TO THIS AFTER CHIEF BENNETT SPOKE, THE FIRE MARSHAL OPINION. IF WE ARE SHORT FIRE FIGHTERS, HOW COME WE DON'T HAVANCE APPLICATION UP THERE FOR FIRE FIGHTERS. JUST SAYING. I MEAN, I AM KIND OF CONFUSED. YOU KNOW I -- ALL THE DIFFERENCE PLACES I GO, I SEE LOTS OF FIRE STATIONS THAT ARE MADE OUT OF WHAT THEY CALL POLE BARNS WITH THE METAL BUILDINGS. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE TO SPEND FIVE GAZILLION DOLLARS TO GET SOMETHING IN THERE IN ORDER TO DO THE JOB THAT WE NEED. I MEAN IN MICHIGAN, THAT IS WHAT THEY HAVE. EVERY CITY HAS -- I CALL THEM POLE BARNS, BUT THEY ARE METAL BUILDINGS, AND THAT IS WHAT THEIR FIRE STATIONS ARE. I MEAN, IF THEY CAN WITHSTAND THE COLD AND THE HEAT THERE, THEN WHY CAN'T WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT INSTEAD OF SPENDING $14 MILLION OR $19 MILLION OR WHATEVER. I AM VERY CONCERNED WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FIRE FIGHTERS IN THE CITY AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY ADS UP FOR THE FIRE FIGHTERS. IT IS FUNNY BECAUSE I REALLY ONLY HAVE BEEN LOOKING A THIS BECAUSE LOOKING AT THE LAND USE POSITIONS I WANTED TO SEE AND CHIEF BENNETT AND I ARE GOING BACK AND FORTH AND I FINALLY FOUND IT AND THEY ARE DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHERS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME FIRE FIGHTER POSITION ADVERTISED. YOU CAN'T GET PEOPLE TO APPLY IF THEY DON'T KNOW WE NEED THEM. SORRY. ONCE AGAIN, WE ARE UP HERE TALKING -- WE HAD $40 MILLION PUT ASIDE FOR TPD, BUT WE STILL HAVEN'T BROKEN GROUND ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT WAS PROMISED IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET. IT IS LIKE GROUNDHOG HERE DAY. I KEEP COMING HERE AND TALKING OF THE SAME CRAP OVER AND OVER AGAIN. WHY CAN'T WE GET IT DONE? I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. BY GOD, HANNA STREET WAS THE MOST AMAZING THING I HAVE EVER SEEN. IN MY ENTIRE LIFE, I NEVER SEEN A BUILDING GO UP THAT QUICKLY AND BUILT THAT QUICKLY, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, I WANT MY OWN PERSONAL TIMELINE WHAT HAPPENS IN THIS CITY, BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE HANNA STREET WAS APPROVED RIGHT ABOUT THE SAME TIME AS THIS FIRE STATION THAT WE STILL HAVEN'T EVEN TURNED ONE LITTLE SPOONFUL OF DIRT. NOT EVEN A SHOVEL, BUT A SPOONFUL OF DIRT ON. WHAT IN THE WORLD IS THE PROBLEM? WHY -- WHY IS TFR THE RED-HEADED STEPCHILD OF THE CITY? THEY CAN'T GET ANYTHING DONE. CHIEF TRIPP IS ORDERING STUFF AND IT IS NOT HERE. CHIEF TRIPP IS TRYING TO BUY A BUILDING. TRYING TO BUY LAND. OH, BY GOD, EIGHT ACRES FOR A REN SICKIC LAB. ONE BUILDING THAT ONE FLOOR IS COMPLETELY EMPTY. WE HAVE HANNA STREET THAT IS NOT CLOSE TO BEING FULL. YOU HANG OUT THERE FOR AN ENTIRE DAY AND SEE HOW EMPTY THAT BUILDING IS. WHY ARE WE GOING TO BUILD ANYTHING ELSE FOR OFFICE SPACE? EVERYWHERE ELSE -- THEY SOLD THE BIGGEST OFFICE SPACE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO FOR, LIKE, 20 MILLION. IT WAS RIDICULOUS. YET WE SPEND $140 MILLION ON OURS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE HERE NOR PUBLIC COMMENT? COUNCILMAN VIERA, DID YOU WANT TO MAKE SOME MOTION AS SOON AS. >>LUIS VIERA: VERY QUICK, IF I MAY, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. WE SENT A MEMO ON THIS. WE HAD AN OCTOBER 3 OF THIS YEAR. I WAS ASKING FOR TFR AND REAL ESTATE TO PROVIDE A REPORT AND STATUS OF QUALITY FOR ACQUISITION OF FLEET MAINTENANCE IN '24 FOR PURPOSE OF BUDGET TO HAVE FULL INFORMATION. LIKE TO HAVE THAT ON SEPTEMBER 5. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION ON COUNCILMAN VIERA TO MOVE THAT AROUND. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? >>LUIS VIERA: MAY I. THIS IS TIME SENSITIVE. A COMMENDATION. THEN TELL YOU WHAT, THAT'S FINE. I WILL SAY FOR TRANSPARENCY OF COUNCIL. I ALREADY MOTIONED FOR THIS BEFORE BUT MICHAEL HUTNER RETIRING FROM THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT AFTER 25 YEARS, WE COULDN'T GET HIM ON THE AGENDA FOR AUGUST 22. I HAD TO WITHDRAW THE MOTION BECAUSE OF THE TIME. SO I WILL BE MOTIONING JUST FOR TRANSPARENCY WITH COUNCIL TO HAVE HIM HAVE A COMMENDATION WHICH WE WILL BE GIVING HIM BEFORE CITY COUNCIL AT 315 HERE EAST KENNEDY. SO, AGAIN, I WILL BE MOTIONING FOR IT BUT I NEVER LIKE TO GIVE COMMENDATIONS WITHOUT TELLING COUNCIL. >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHEN THAT THAT. >>LUIS VIERA: AUGUST 22, SAME DAY BEFORE COUNCIL. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IN COMING THURSDAY? >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU ARE INFORMING COUNCIL THAT YOU WILL BE HAVING THE COMMENDATION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA. IND OF LIKE DOING IT OFF-SITE. >>LUIS VIERA: OFF-SITE TECHNICALLY. I SAY THAT BECAUSE I AM GOING TO INVITE COUNCILMEMBERS. SINCE BEING DONE IN THREE DAY AND I WILL BE MOTIONING FOR IT THAT EVENING. AGAIN, NO ONE IS OBJECTING TO IT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: DO YOU WANT TO ANNOUNCE IT AGAIN PUBLICLY SO COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC KNOW IF THAT IS GOING TO BE THE CASE. >>LUIS VIERA: WHAT I HAVE DONE, I HAVE DONE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANKS, SORRY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR CHIEF TRIPP ABOUT -- ABOUT THE -- ABOUT THE FIRE STATION OR THE FIRE FIGHTER. WHY AREN'T THEY ON THE -- WHY -- WHY AREN'T THE -- WHY DON'T WE HAVE ANY OPENINGS ON THE WEB SITE? TRIPLE-DIGIT TEMPERATURES TRIPP SO THE WAY IT WORKS IS BECAUSE WHENEVER YOU GET HIRED FOR THESE TYPE OF POSITIONS, IT COMES IN SPURTS. WHEN I SAY IT SPANS, BECAUSE IF WE KEEP IT OPEN, THAT APPLICATION WILL STAY OPEN UP UNTIL IT IS TIME FOR US TO HIRE AGAIN. SINCE I HAVE OPINION IN THIS POSITION, I HAVE BEEN HIRING AT LEAST THREE TIMES A YEAR. BASICALLY WE OPEN IT ONCE WE GET A GOOD SELECTION OF NUMBERS. WE ARE INTERVIEW THEM. BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH SO MANY DIFFERENT CRY TERRY AREAS TO GET HIRED CAN TAMPA. IF AN INDIVIDUAL PUT THEIR NOT GET CALLED UNTIL DECEMBER, - BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT PROCESS GOING, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO THE PHYSICAL, WITH THE PENSION. WE HAVE TO DO THE POLLY GRAPH TEST. THE PSYCHE TEST. THE MEDICAL EXAM. WE DO THAT IN COMBINATION WITH WORKING WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS. I CAN'T SEND THEM ONESIES AND TWOSIES AT A TIME TO HAVE BE THIS COMPLETE TODAY BE HIRED. WE HIRE IN SECTIONS. LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE BEEN DOING THAT THREE FOUR TIMES A YEAR. >>LYNN HURTAK: DO YOU NEED MORE RESOURCES TO OPEN IT UP MORE OFTEN? >>CHIEF TRIPP: EVEN IF WE OPEN IT UP, ONE PERSON OR TWO PEOPLE. GO THROUGHOUT INTERVIEW. AND THEN SCHEDULE FOR THE POLYGRAPH TEST. AND THAT CLASS MAY NOT START, YOU KNOW, UNTIL DECEMBER. SO THAT MEANS THAT INDIVIDUAL WILL BE SITTING AND WAITING AND A LOT OF TIMES WE GET PEOPLE TO DROP OUT BECAUSE OUR PROCESS TAKES SO LONG. USED TO TAKE EIGHT MONTHS. I HAVE CUT IT DOWN TO THREE, NO MORE THAN FOUR MONTHS NOW. >>LYNN HURTAK: IS THAT NORMAL FOR MOST DEPARTMENTS? >>CHIEF TRIPP: VARIES. SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR FIRE FIGHTERS. SOME OF THE DEPARTMENTS DON'T HAVE THE SAME REQUIREMENTS. THAT IS ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS THAT KIND OF DELAYED THE PROCESS. AS SOON AS WE OPEN APPLICATIONS UP, WE INTERVIEW. GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND GET THEM SCHEDULED. THE CLASS WE JUST INTERVIEWED IN JULY -- AUGUST. JULY. THEY ARE ACTUALLY COMING ON IN SEPTEMBER. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS A QUICK TURN AROUND. >>CHIEF TRIPP: THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING. >>CHIEF TRIPP: WHERE THE POSITION OPEN AGAIN IN SEPTEMBER. >>CHIEF TRIPP: OCTOBER WE ARE GOING TO OPEN IT UP AGAIN. SO MANY DEPARTMENTS WE HAVE TO CORRESPOND WITH, HR, TPD, THE HOSPITALS FOR THE PHYSICALS, THE MEDICAL DOCTORS FOR THE PSYCHE TEST. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY, THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE ARE ADJOURNED. MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE -- A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA. SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSE? WE ARE ADJOURNED.