This transcript appears to be for an **Air Lake Airport Advisory Committee (ALAC)** meeting. Based on the context provided and the introductions within the dialogue, here is the formatted transcript with speaker names. *** **[0:00] [Music]** **[0:12] Unidentified Speaker:** I can't I can't. **[0:32] Tom Fitz Henry:** Short reliever right there. We got four o'clock. Did you use the gavel? Okay. Started. I'll call this meeting to order for the Air Lake Airport Advisory Committee. First, what I'd like to do, we'll have a moment of silence for the 9/11 anniversary, for the lost pilot at Air Lake, and a lot of other things that are going on in this world. So, we'll pause for a moment. **[1:14] Tom Fitz Henry:** Thank you. Uh, we'll first go around and start the welcome and introductions. I'm Tom Fitz Henry. I'm one of the co-chairs today and I'll be leading it today and I'll go to my right and we'll continue. **[1:30] Dan Wolter:** I'm a co-chair as well, City Council. **[1:30] Steve Gddter:** Steve Gddter, a hangar owner at Lakeville. **[1:30] Pat Moyahan:** I'm Pat Moyahan. I'm an airport user. **[1:54] Justin Miller:** Justin Miller, Lakeville City Administrator, filling in for Tina Goodroad today. **[1:54] Chris Jack:** Chris Jack, Lakeville Chamber of Commerce. **[1:54] Dan Walbert:** Uh, Dan Walbert, airport user. **[2:14] Tom Fitz Henry:** Thank you all. Uh, we'll go ahead and look at the agenda. Um, does anybody have anything they wish to add or any comments on the agenda? Assuming you've had a chance to read it. Any comments? If not, I'll take a motion to approve. **[2:29] Dan Wolter:** So moved. **[2:29] Tom Fitz Henry:** We have a first and a second. All in favor say aye. **[2:29] Group:** Aye. **[2:29] Tom Fitz Henry:** Any opposed? It will go ahead right to this. Okay. The consent items. In the consent items, uh, we'll handle it as one item. And what we'll do is uh we'll look for approval of the minutes of June 26, 2025, and also the aircraft noise complaints and operations. So, I'll need a motion to approve that. **[3:08] Dan Wolter:** So moved. **[3:08] Tom Fitz Henry:** We have a second. **[3:08] Dan Walbert:** Second. **[3:08] Tom Fitz Henry:** Thank you. All in favor say aye. **[3:08] Group:** Aye. **[3:08] Justin Miller:** And I'll abstain since I wasn't here. **[3:08] Tom Fitz Henry:** Okay. To the public comment period. Are there any members online first that we see? Okay. Anybody in the audience wishing to have time? Anybody? Okay. Hearing none, we'll go ahead to the business items. **[3:51] [Music]** **[3:51] MAC Staff Member:** Thank you. **[3:51] Tom Fitz Henry:** Correct. Okay. **[4:19] MAC Staff Member:** Um, so first, uh, I'm actually going to do um kind of an update on the aircraft operations and noise complaints for the second quarter for 2025. Uh, just briefly look at those numbers uh for Air Lake. Um, as far as operations go, for the second quarter, which includes the months of April, May, and June, the airport saw a total of 11,831 operations. Um, that's compared to uh 10,696 operations in 2024, if I can read that correctly. Um, April saw 3,648 total operations. May 4,197 and June uh 3,986. Um, which the June number was a little bit slightly below what we saw in the last couple years, but May saw strong numbers as far as operation levels at Air Lake. Uh, and then our noise complaints, we only had one complaint, um for all three months, uh April, May, and June that was related to an operation, uh um associated with Air Lake Airport. Um, and so that one complaint was regarding a helicopter operation um pretty far to the west. Uh, it was west of um I-35. So um I'm not sure uh what community exactly that's in. I think it's still in the township area, but um it was west of 35. So, just one complaint um for the entire quarter for Air Lake. **[5:40] Dan Wolter:** Can you tell us when that complaint is? I got an idea of who it might be. **[5:40] MAC Staff Member:** When it was? Yeah. Um, I believe that was in June. Uh, but the exact date uh I don't have, but I can... **[6:02] Dan Wolter:** Well, are you aware there's power line construction and they're using a helicopter to string the lines? **[6:02] MAC Staff Member:** No, I was not. Um, but the uh and that could be the uh the reason... **[6:02] Dan Wolter:** They're very low when they do it, hover for a long time. **[6:20] MAC Staff Member:** And do those operations operate out of Air Lake? **[6:20] Dan Wolter:** Yes, the helicopters being housed at Air Lake by their string of the lines. **[6:20] MAC Staff Member:** Okay. So that's probably what it is. **[6:20] Dan Wolter:** I just thought it might be associated. **[6:20] MAC Staff Member:** Yeah. Continue, please. **[6:38] MAC Staff Member:** Okay. Um, any other questions about uh complaints or operations for Air Lake for second quarter 2025? Anybody on the board here? Okay. Um, we have uh airport manager update. As you can see, Sam is not here with us today because last Friday his—he and his wife welcomed their new baby boy, Franklin. Um, 8 lb 21 in. A very handsome, healthy baby boy. Told mom and baby are doing well. So, we wish him and the family all the best. **[6:58] MAC Staff Member:** Um, the next item I have uh is uh on Mosaic and this is something the co-chair asked to be added to the agenda. Um, for those of you that don't know, uh, the FAA made an announcement, a big announcement at the, uh, Air Venture convention at Oshkosh this July and that they had made a final ruling on their modernization of special airworthiness certification. Um, and what this means basically is it expands that light sport aircraft category to allow um more participation um from the uh those interested in getting into general aviation and recreational flying. So it's increased the uh performance limits like speed and weight. Um, I believe the light sport used to only be two—one or two seats and a very limited weight. Now it's up to four seats. Um, you could also get into turbines and retractable landing gear. Um, so this really kind of expands those privileges for sports pilots in the hopes that that original rule that first came out in 2004—last 20 years didn't seem to really capture um—it seemed to leave a lot of still leave a lot of people out. So the new rule hopes to uh encourage some more people in participation in general aviation. I believe the co-chair wanted to just bring this to everyone's attention and the possibility this could expand general aviation activity at Air Lake. **[8:32] Tom Fitz Henry:** I'll add one thing to it. Uh, this also allows the senior pilots that are getting older to probably still fly their aircraft because of the new medical type things that are going on. So it will continue to have older people fly. **[8:54] Dan Wolter:** Yeah. Good point. Yeah, and that would be my question too in terms of how would we expect this would impact air traffic at our airport, Air Lake? Do you have any idea? **[9:18] MAC Staff Member:** I honestly don't have any idea. I mean, the final rule just came out. I know it was um eagerly anticipated by a lot in the community, especially as Co-chair Fitz Henry noted. Um, my father being one of them. He was uh, you know, kind of he kind of lost his medical um for various reasons and is not someone who was able to get a private anymore. The light sport aircraft just wasn't going to fit what he needed. So this was an opportunity for him to get back into aviation. So, it could encourage both those that have no prior experience getting into it—an easier path to get into recreational flying—as well as those that have been doing it for a long time but no longer meet the more stringent medical requirements of a private or other certifications. **[10:00] Tom Fitz Henry:** Thank you. **[10:00] MAC Staff Member:** Okay. The next item, which was another item that the co-chairs asked to be added to the agenda, is um we were asked to look at non-local training flights at Air Lake and specifically if we could quantify any training flights that originated from the Minnesota State University aviation program in Mankato that were operating and coming to Air Lake to possibly do training flights, whether it be touch-and-goes or anything else. And so, um, it just so happens our intern is a recent graduate of the aviation program in Mankato. And so, we were able to get all of the N-numbers for their fleet. Um, which I was really surprised at. Was it 50—around 50 aircraft in the fleet, right? **[10:47] MAC Intern/Staff:** Yeah. **[10:47] MAC Staff Member:** Um, so they have a very large fleet. They partner with Northstar Aviation um for their aircraft training and so they have a fleet of Piper Seminoles and Archers as well as Cessna 152s I believe. Um, so we looked at the months of July and August and you can see there there were about 17 operations in July, 38 operations in August that those aircraft did come to Air Lake and perform either an arrival or departure or a touch-and-go. Um, so August did see some activity—38 operations—and most of those were during the day. **[11:34] Tom Fitz Henry:** Just one question. Uh, you said arrival, departure, touch and go. We don't know if they do approaches? That's kind of been the issue. **[11:50] MAC Staff Member:** Yeah. I I don't believe that we would be able to discern um specifically if they're doing an instrument approach or not based on the data we have. I mean, we could make a kind of a guess based on the flight track and and you know, what it's doing, but um it's really just a guess. **[12:17] Tom Fitz Henry:** Okay, thanks. Uh, so, uh, are there any other questions or comments? Sure. **[12:17] Dan Wolter:** Um, there's two items that we've talked about in the past that are still kind of in process and pending. Uh, that's the uh the roadway uh from Cedar to Maynard Lane and then into the hangar. Um, if we could get a status on that project and then the runway extension. **[12:45] MAC Staff Member:** Yes. So um we actually have Michelle Ross, Director of Stakeholder Engagement for the MAC, who can help respond to those. **[12:45] Michelle Ross:** Hi, thank you for the question. Um, Kayla Harris was on his way to help give some updates on that as well, but uh, he was going to be a little bit delayed, so he's on his way, but if he comes in, he can give some updates as well. But, uh, my name is Michelle Ross. I'm the Director of Stakeholder Engagement. So, in terms of the road and the runway extension, I just first really want to start off with—the MAC and the tenants and the community are aligned in wanting to see this development move forward. We're in the business of developing our airports. We want to make this happen. We're trying to get to to make it work. Um, and so in terms of the road, we are exploring options to be able to um complete the new alignment and repaving of that road as soon as possible. There are several uh steps that are necessary in order to make that happen. And so we are working through all of those steps. Um, and in terms of the runway alignment, we are continuing to coordinate with the pipeline companies um to fulfill the FAA's encumbrance requirements in order to be able to um begin that EA process and complete the runway extension. **[14:30] Dan Wolter:** So, okay. Um, in terms of the road, is there anything specific that we could expect to see happening in the coming months? **[14:30] Michelle Ross:** Yeah. So, our goal is to have some definitive information about the schedule very very soon. Um, so within the next few weeks, we should have additional information about the timeline and schedule for that. So we are moving everything forward as quickly as we can in order to have a firm timeline and schedule which again we can share out with this group within the next few weeks I would say, in advance of the December ALAC meeting. We should have some additional updates that we can share. **[15:11] Dan Wolter:** Thank you. Um, that's just—that gets a lot of attention because it's important um, you know, economically it's important for our community. It's important for the airport users. Well, thank you for uh the work on that and the progress that we're starting to see. **[15:26] Michelle Ross:** Absolutely. And again, we just we do really appreciate it—it's not every airport in our system that has such strong support from our communities and so um we are really trying to make this work as quickly as we can. **[15:44] Dan Wolter:** Cloud one. Dan, uh, do you have any other details on the, uh, negotiations on the pipeline or any more granular details because that's been floating? **[16:05] Michelle Ross:** Absolutely. I completely understand. I know it's frustrating that it is taking as long as it has. Um, and so I don't have any specific details on that. Again, I'm hoping to have some more details soon. I know that um, our senior leadership has been meeting with all of the pipeline companies; they have been meeting with FAA um trying to resolve this issue in order to restart that EA process. Um, the latest was that they were continuing to kind of fine-tune that with both the FAA and the pipeline companies um to come to a resolution. **[16:32] Dan Wolter:** Thank you. **[16:32] Michelle Ross:** Yeah, absolutely. **[16:32] Tom Fitz Henry:** Any other questions? Thank you very very much for bringing... **[16:52] Michelle Ross:** Absolutely. Thank you. **[16:52] Tom Fitz Henry:** So, I think we're down to member announcements. So, um, I'll start... part of another organization. Go ahead, Pat. **[16:52] Pat Moyahan:** Um yeah, I guess one of the questions I have is, you know, I understand that there's a franchise fee that's being imposed to the various people including my home and everybody else's. But um, what I'm trying to understand is it seems to be inconsistently applied and when I try to investigate as to why I don't understand the process and I don't know—I don't know if there's somebody that can speak about the process. Because for example, the um franchise fee that the gas company charges me is based—it seems more reasonable. It is a $6 fee and that's consistent with the residential fee, but my hangar is $16 and the service fee is more than I pay for the electricity by quite a bit. I mean I only pay like five or so dollars a month for electricity there. But anyway, when I call the power company, they say it's the City and I've seen email traffic saying no, it's the power company. All I want to know is what the process is for assigning the three categories that are listed in the ordinance. I think it's 1097 or 1094. Um, who determines what category various services are applied in? Um because clearly it says in there that it's commercial industrial and my personal property or my income tax here says uh it's a storage hangar. Um, I can't have a commercial business there. Uh, and it's just personal property. So again, yeah, it's you know $120 a year or so difference, but it's still—it's the principle of the thing that I'm just trying to understand. So I don't know who—if there's someone in the City you could direct me to or if perhaps you even know. **[18:43] Justin Miller:** I mean I could try to answer now Mr. Chair if if you're fine with that. **[18:43] Tom Fitz Henry:** If you would. **[18:43] Justin Miller:** Sure. So the City assigned when we did the franchise fee development—and I think um you might have been on the email train chain on that and we still have a lot of information on the City website about how this whole process went about. It was a year-long discussion. Um, the way franchise fees are assigned is based on how the utility companies—whether it's electric or gas—meters that property. And so it's the terms residential, commercial, and industrial. While you might not be operating it as a commercial venture, it's clearly not a residential venture. So there is nothing besides residential, commercial, and industrial. And so it all depends on the type of meter that the utility company has assigned to your property. The City does not make that determination whether your property is residential, commercial, or industrial in the eyes of the utility. It's all up to them. The City sets the rate based on if it's a residential and then commercial industrial, and even within commercial and industrial properties, there's various levels that actually changes between each utility as well because not every utility charges—especially on the commercial industrial side—differently um based on how they set up their billing system. **[20:15] Pat Moyahan:** Okay. Like see here's my gas bill and it's $6. When I look at the... **[20:15] Justin Miller:** For your residential? **[20:15] Pat Moyahan:** This is the hangar. **[20:15] Justin Miller:** Okay. So, they're—the gas company is considering that a residential meter. **[20:15] Pat Moyahan:** Yeah. But then the power company says it's commercial industrial and you know, I mean I guess I'm not sure why these are different. **[20:15] Justin Miller:** Different companies and they determine it differently. **[20:48] Pat Moyahan:** So you're saying then that if I wanted to ask the process for how this was assigned by the power company, I need to talk to somebody there? **[20:48] Justin Miller:** That's right. **[20:48] Pat Moyahan:** Because I I've called them twice now and they keep telling me no, it's the City and I... **[21:04] Justin Miller:** They are correct that the City established the fee. **[21:04] Pat Moyahan:** I understand that part. No, I'm just—how was I assigned the category? That's my specific question to them. **[21:04] Justin Miller:** Yeah, we don't we don't have access to their property. I mean, we didn't say this property is residential. We give them the rate structure and they apply that based on their meters. **[21:22] Dan Walbert:** I guess the question would be then how do we get that reviewed? It feels like you're passing the buck to the utility company. It's not the utility company that's put this bill in place. It's the City. Do you think it's being done appropriately as Mr. Moyahan is showing out that one utility company is saying this property is residential, one utility company is saying this property is commercial? Clearly, these are not commercial properties. None of us are allowed by the MAC to run businesses out of our hangars aside from Mr. Forsber. So, what what do we do? I hear you passing the buck back to a utility company. The City has done this. How can we engage with the City in order to have our properties classified properly by the utility company? **[22:12] Justin Miller:** If you give me your particular addresses or if you send me a copy of your bill, we have customer service people that we can reach out to. I'll just be honest though, I don't know—if you're not living there, my guess is I don't know why that one is classified as residential. Maybe it's just because of the size of the meter um or how it was installed. That's what they're going to say. You know, they're going to say if it's not residential in nature, it goes into the commercial and industrial. There is not a hangar designation or anything like that. **[22:52] Dan Walbert:** So, from the City standpoint, you're telling me you feel it's appropriate that these properties are classified as commercial properties? **[22:52] Justin Miller:** I'm saying it's appropriate that they're not classified as residential. **[23:08] Tom Fitz Henry:** Go ahead, Dan. **[23:08] Dan Wolter:** Another question. Uh, you had said the rate was determined by the style of the meter—by the account. How the utility company determines your account. Okay. So, is the whole thing just a matter of semantics? If it's not residential, we don't live there. By law, it can't be commercial. Can it just be non-commercial, non-residential, and you come up with a new category? **[23:42] Justin Miller:** It would have to be a category that the utility companies have for their bill. **[24:02] Dan Wolter:** So, can we negotiate that as a group? **[24:02] Justin Miller:** If you can convince the utility company to come up with a new rate category for this, then we would apply a separate—we'd have to determine what the appropriate rate would be on that utility category. **[24:02] Dan Wolter:** Well, if you were to reach out to the utility company, I think you'd probably have a fair amount of power. **[24:02] Justin Miller:** I could do that. I don't know if they're going to—I mean, these are big companies. I don't know if they're going to come up with a rate just for, say, airport hangars. I don't know. We could certainly ask. **[24:24] Pat Moyahan:** I think there's—I don't know how many hangar owners, but uh, a big contingency of us and a big group that aren't being represented well at all. It would be nice if we could have some sort of conversation with them uh, just to tell them what we got going on. **[24:24] Dan Walbert:** Here's a question I got. So, if I wasn't at Air Lake, but I have land here in Lakeville, but I have a house and then I have a pole barn with a separate meter, how is that handled? **[24:45] Justin Miller:** It's charged by the account. So, um, if there were two accounts, you would be getting billed. Depends on how again—what—how the utility company classifies that pole barn. **[25:15] Dan Walbert:** Okay. And we have that—I mean we have several properties in the City that have multiple meters, multiple accounts and we've asked all the utilities if they could combine them and they say it's on a case-by-case basis. Okay. Maybe we need to get together as groups. Maybe I don't know if this is the proper format since we're kind of in the MAC, but our issue is with the power company, which is... **[25:35] Dan Wolter:** I think our issue is with the City. Uh, it really sounds to me like the City is passing the buck to the power company because of how they run their business. **[25:35] Tom Fitz Henry:** Okay. Well, we'll note that, but be fun to find out or nice to find out from Xcel. I'm assuming everybody's got Xcel at the hangar? **[25:35] Pat Moyahan:** Yes. **[25:35] Dan Wolter:** I agree with Pat here. Some of us—it's just open the door on the hangar half the time. With LED lights, my bills are usually light except for when they plug in the plane for winter. So, I'm paying more in franchise fees than I am for electricity. **[26:22] Tom Fitz Henry:** Okay. Well, as duly noted, we'll have to get together and figure out how to do that. **[26:22] Pat Moyahan:** Uh, could could we have a follow-up at the next... **[26:45] Tom Fitz Henry:** We can put it on the agenda. Just got a question for the MAC folks. Is there any way to find out if Lake Elmo has the same situation or any of the other airports? It'd be nice to know. **[26:45] Michelle Ross:** Yeah, we'll we'll go back and ask uh the airport managers for our other airports if they've heard of this issue with any of our tenants. **[27:07] Tom Fitz Henry:** Thank you. I appreciate that. Okay, so we're done with Pat. Okay, Justin, do you have anything you want to add? **[27:07] Justin Miller:** Thank you. Next. **[27:07] Chris Jack:** Thank you. Uh, couple updates for um right now. Visit Lakeville Convention Visitor Bureau is working with Adam. We're going to—we're working on some um welcome center signage out at the new hangar. Still calling it the new hangar. Uh, and so we will have some welcome center with a charging station and some brochure racks and then some beautiful artwork, I guess we should call it, right up on there. So that's coming soon. So we're excited about that. Uh, and then we are working on our stepping into the future event again in January that we had last winter. If you all remember, we bring all the eighth graders out to the airport and they have some career exploration experiences. So a huge thank you to Adam for donating that space; there's no other space that we have that's large enough to do that. And so he's been very gracious with that space. Um, so again, a huge thank you to him on that. And uh thank you on behalf of the Chamber and Visit Lakeville. Thank you to the MAC for expediting this discussion on the road. Obviously for us tourism and—the more that we can make this a welcoming community for those that fly in and hopefully those who are going to be visiting a restaurant in the near future, it's really important to our community to have those amenities. So, thank you for continuing to work on that and working with our City and with Adam. **[28:37] Tom Fitz Henry:** Yeah, Dan, you got... [Laughter] Okay. Are you sure? Okay, Adam. **[28:52] Adam Forsber:** Um, well, hello everyone. Sorry I was a few minutes late. I was taking care of a customer before coming here. But I would just like to actually say some positive things. Okay. You know, it's kind of had a negative feel the last few months at the get-togethers that we've had. So, we do really gratefully appreciate when the ball is actually moving. Okay. And we feel that there's some genuine progress. Okay. So, I will say that on a positive note, we have Cirrus coming in and it looks like we'll become a limited Cirrus service center and also a Cirrus training center. So, they're coming at the end of the month. Um, we're also receiving a Noble Flight simulator, which will be a side-by-side Cirrus SIM, you know, with the parachute bowl. So, we'll be able to offer simulator training, Cirrus training at the airport. So, that was kind of another plan, something that we've been trying to implement for a while. **[30:02] Adam Forsber:** Um, I guess uh it—I guess I'm kind of proud. You know, I was looking at the airport today and there was a lot going on. I was late today because there was so much stuff going on. Okay. And that's a good feeling. So, you know, every single month we sit there and we look at these noise complaints, but it also tracks which airports are growing, which ones are not in the cities. You know, and five years ago, Lakeville was dead last, okay? And now we're knocking on the door of number three. Okay? We're more than St. Paul. You know, we're right behind Crystal and realistically, we're talking three to five operations a day passing them. Okay. So, it's exciting to see that. Um, you know, the benefit of the road coming in, it will benefit the restaurant and Jason back there. All right. It would allow us to have a very nice arrival/departure area for people coming into Lakeville and they're not going to be getting on a muddy road. I mean, yesterday we had a meeting out there and everybody that drove over there left looking like they were just in a Baja. So, um, and that's just 'cause it rained a little bit and you know it's washboard and it's not maintained well. Okay. So, anything that we even do in the interim to improve the road... All right, I I understand putting the right road in, not having to do it twice, but anything that we can do, any type of suggestions that we can entertain to actually make it a road that's a little more passable for people would be greatly appreciated. Um, it's really hard for me to spend $10 million at the airport, which I've done, okay, and expect customers that come in and put them in a arrival/departure building with the Chamber and tourism and then they have to get on a damn gravel road. So, that sucks. Um, so I appreciate the fact that it's moving forward. Um, barbecue—the MAC's having a barbecue. We don't know the date. **[32:09] Michelle Ross:** 22nd. **[32:09] Adam Forsber:** Is it 22nd? Yeah. Okay. Of... **[32:28] Tom Fitz Henry:** 4:30 to 6:30. So, for all those that don't know, MAC usually has a barbecue and I got it listed. I didn't bring my postcard, but it says um it's on the 22nd from 4:30 to 6:30. And is that at the MAC maintenance hangar building? **[32:28] MAC Staff Member:** So, I don't know if anybody on the staff knows about that or if I'm correct, but we're assuming I am. **[32:48] Michelle Ross:** It's definitely at the maintenance building. **[32:48] Tom Fitz Henry:** Okay. So we got it down for the 22nd, 4:30 to 6:30. Is that what you got? **[32:48] Adam Forsber:** Um, yes. Okay. And then I have I guess I have one more thing. And this kind of maybe goes to you, Joe. Um, I know that we're an advisory committee. You know, we're not a board. I mean, we could sit here, we can advise, tell you how we feel, but really we don't have any teeth, you know, none whatsoever. Okay. Um, I think I would like to potentially recommend that maybe a representative from the City and a representative from the airport be able to attend the board meetings up at the MAC regarding the operations at the Air Lake Airport. You know, how the decisions are made, how the money is spent, why things are happening, because, you know, we ask questions down here and we get answers, but some of them are rather vague. Okay? Why do we make the decisions that are made down at at the airport? You know, is kind of important to us down here. And it would be nice to be included in those in those decisions, okay? Or at least informed. Um, you know, how long have we been negotiating with the attorneys for the pipeline? You know, this is now years. Okay? And then we ask and we get an answer that, well, we're still doing it, but there's no real answer. We don't know where where things really stand. Okay. And it just doesn't—it feels like sometimes there's a lack of transparency. But back on the positive stuff, we we're going to become a Cirrus training center. You know, the flights are up again 10% this quarter and it keeps growing, you know, so that's all good news. So, and I want to thank everybody that supports me out at the airport, too. I'm done. **[34:45] Tom Fitz Henry:** Okay. Steve, do you have anything for the group? **[34:45] Steve Gddter:** Nothing for me. **[34:56] Tom Fitz Henry:** Okay. Anybody online that uh we should acknowledge? Okay. Well, then I think we're down to adjournment, aren't we? Uh, so, I'm not sure we need a motion to adjourn too. So, I'll go ahead unless we have any other comments. I'll go ahead and adjourn the meeting. Thank everybody for coming. **[35:23] [Music]**