>> Pres. Lewis: THE 125RB MEETING OF THE 26TH COUPLE WILL COME TO ORDER. THE COUNSELORS ARE PRESENT OR ALREADY BE. WE WILL HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE, AND THEN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IN ENGLISH AND SPANISH. FLUSH >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG oF THE uNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> PARKING PASSES ARE PROVIDED FOR MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC. YOU CAN OBTAIN A PARK BACK PASS FROM COUNSEL STAFF AT THE TABLE NEAR THE CHAMBERS ENTRANCE. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CITY STAFF AND THE MEDIA HAVE THE ABSENT TO VOW THIS MEETING IN PERSON, AND ONLIVE STREAM, THROUGH FOUR PLATFORMS. THAT'S GOV TV, CHANNEL 16. WEB TUBE, ZOOM WEB I THEIR. LIVE STREAM CAN BE ACCESSED FROM MOST SMART PHONES, TABLETS, AND COMPUTERS. ALSO, THIS MEETING IS CLOSED CAPTIONED. YOU MAY ENABLE THE CLOSED CAPTIONING SERVICES ON YOUR TELEVISION OR DEVICE AT THIS TIME. THE VIDEO RECORDING OF THIS AND ALL PAST COUNSEL MEETINGS WILL REMAIN AVAILABLE FOR VIEWING AT ANY TIME ON THE CITY COUNCIL WEBSITE. COUNSEL STAFF IS AVAILABLE VIA TELEPHONE IF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC NEED ASSISTANCE FIND BEING THE VIDEOS ONLINE. PLEASE CALL 505-768-3100 FOR ASSISTANCE DURING BUSINESS HOURS, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 8:00 DO 5:00. THE COUNSEL WILL TAKE A BREAK AT APPROXIMATELY 7:00 P.M. THIS EVENING, IF IT IS NEEDED. WITH R THE CHAMBERS, WE WANT THE MEETING TO BE AS CIVIL AS BE POSITIVE. PLEASE DO NOT MAKE ANY PERSONAL ATTACK ANSWER PLEASE, NO APPLAUSE OR OTHER OUTBURST DURING THE MEETING. THE MEETING WILL GO A LOT SMOOTHER IF WE ARE ALL RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER. >> Pres. Lewis: I'M GOING TO GO TO PROCLAMATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS. COUNSELORS, WE HAVE SEVERAL PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT. WE WILL GIVE EACH OF THOSE FIVE MINUTES MAX, FOR THE PRESENTATION. AND WE ALSO HAVE A PRK TO START WITH. COUNCILLOR BACA AND COUNCILLOR BASSAN. >> Coun. Baca: THIS PROCLAMATION IS RECOGNIZING L CHILDHOOD CANCER MONTH. I WANT TO START BY THANKING YOU FOR ALL THE WORK YOU'RE DOING FOR CANCER RESEARCH AND AWARENESS. I CAN'T IMAGINE GOING THROUGH THAT, BUT AS A FATHER AND A SCIENTIST, I KNOW THERE ARE CURES OUT THERE, AND I KNOW WE CAN FIND THEM AND I KNOW WE NEED TO FIND THEM. THEIR WORK HELPS ALL OF US, O ALL OF OUR FAMILIES. AND FOR FAMILIES YET TO COME. SO THANK YOU ALL. WHEREAS CHILDHOOD CANCER IS THE LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH OF CHILDREN IN THE YOU U.S., AND WHEREAS CHILDREN DIAGNOSED IN THE UNITED STATES EACH YEAR, THE AVERAGE AGE IS SIX YEAR OLD, AND ONE IN 8 DID A -- AND WHEREAS 80 PERCENT OF CHILDHOOD CANCER PATIENTS ARE DIAGNOSED LATE, AND ONE CHILD FROM NEW MEXICO IS DIAGNOSED FOR EACH WEEK, MORE THAN 50 CHILDREN FROM THE ALBUQUERQUE NEW MEXICO AREA BEING CURRENTLY TREATED FOR CHILDHOOD CANCER, AND THERE IS A 6.0 PERCENT INCREASE IN INCIDENT PER YEAR, RESULTING IN INCREASE IN 20 PERCENT OVER THE LAST 40 YEERNTION WHEREAS TWO THIRDS OF CHILDHOOD CANCER PATIENTS HAVE CHRONIC HEALTH CONDITIONS, WITH ONE QUARTER BEING CLASSIFIED AS LIFE THREATENING, AND THE CAUSES ARE LARGELY UNNOARNTION AND SIGNIFICANTLY MORE RESEARCH FUNDING IS NEEDED TO DEVELOP L THE MOST EFFECTIVE TREATMENT IN CHILDREN, AND WHEREAS IN THE LAST 30 YEARS, ONLY SIX NEW DRUGS HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THE FDA TO SPECIFICALLY TREAT CHILDHOOD CANCER, AND WHEREAS THE DEDICATED EFFORTS OF HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS, RESEARCHERS AND ADD VOA COULD HE -- ADVOCACY GROUPS ARE VITAL TO EFFECT CHILDREN AND THEIR FAMILY, WHERE IT IS IT IS CRUCIAL TO RECOGNIZE AND HONOR THE STRENGTH AND COUNSEL OF CHILDREN BATTLING CANCER AS WELL AS THE RESILIENCE OF THEIR FAMILIES AND CONTRIBUTIONS OF THOSE WORKING TIRELESSLY TO IMPROVE THE OUTCOME. AND WHEREAS INCREASED AWARENESS AND SUPPORT FROM ALL L CITIZENS OF ALBUQUERQUE CAN LEAD TO THE EARLY DETECTION, BETTER TREATMENT OPTION, AND ULTIMATELY, A HIGHER QUALITY OF LIFE TO HAVE CHILDREN DIAGNOSED WITH CANCER. BE IT PROCLAIMED BY THE COUNCIL, THE GOCHING BODY OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE, HERE BY PROCLAIMS THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER 2024 AS CHILDHOOD CANCER AWARENESS MONTH IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. [APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILLOR BACA,. >> Coun. Bassan: COUNCILLOR BACA. I AM JOINED TODAY BY MY WIFE AND MY TWO BOYS. WE STAND BEFORE YOU THEECHG WITH THE IMMENSE GRATITUDE AND APPRECIATE. CHILDHOOD CANCER IS A HEART BREAKING DISEASE THAT DEVASTATES COUNTLESS FAMILIES AND LIVES, LIKE OURS. WHEN MY SON WAS JUST TWO YEARS OLD, HE WAS DIAGNOSED WITH AN ULTRA RARE CANCER, WHICH WAS METASTATIC AND SPREAD TO HIS LUNGS. HE ENDURED TEN ROUNDS OF GRUELING CHEMOTHERAPY AND SINCE THEN HE HAS HAD TWO RECURRENCES AND LUNG SURGERIES. HE IS STILL IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS CANCER JOURNEY, BUT HE IS OUR LITTLE WARRIOR AND WE CHERISH EVERY DAY WE HAVE TOGETHER, AND TRY NOT TO TAKE EVEN ONE OF THEM FOR GRANTED. WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL TO SHARE THIS HE JUST STARTED KINNEY AND THEY BOTH STARTED SOCCER, WITH THEIR FIRST GAME THIS SATURDAY. ON BEHALF OUR FAMILY AND SO MANY FAMILIES LIKE OURS, WE WANT TO EXTEND OUR DEEPEST THANKS TO COUNCILLOR BACA,. >> Coun. Champine: COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, AND THE ENTIRE COUNCIL FOR DECLARING THIS CHILDHOOD CANCER AWARENESS MONTH. IT BRINGS MUCH ATTENTION TO THE STRUGGLE THAT SO MANY CHILDREN AND THEIR FAMILIES ENDURE. IT ALSO OFFERS COMFORT TO THOSE FAMILIES LIKE OURS THAT SO OFTEN FEEL I OBJECT VISIBLE AND ISOLATED IN THAT YOUR FIGHT AGAINST THE DISEASE. THIS PROCLAMATION HELPS US FEEL SEEN, AND THAT IS ONE OF THE MOST HEALING THINGS THAT ANYONE CAN OFFER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP, APPEAR THANKS FOR STANDING WITH US IN THIS FIGHT, WE ARE TRULY GRATEFUL FOR YOUR SUPPORTINGS AND THANKS AGAIN FOR THE PROCLAMATION. [APPLAUSE] ITIONZ IERKSZ COILG THANK YOU COUNCILLOR BACA AND COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. NEXT, A PRESENTATION BY COUNCILLOR FIEBELKORN. >> Coun. Fiebelkorn: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. WE HAD ASKED DIRECTOR ROGERS FROM THE ENVIRONMENT AT HEALTH DIDN'T APPEAR COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO IT TO A PRESENTATION ON THE DISPOSAL OF HUMAN FECES PROGRAM, AND I BELIEVE HE IS HERE TO MAKE THAT PRESENTATION. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT AND COUNCILLOR FIEBELKORN, THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR WILL BE HANDLING THE PRESENTATION. >> Coun. Fiebelkorn: THANK YOU, DEPUTY DIRECTOR. GO AHEAD. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCIL PRESIDENT AND COUNCILLOR FIEBELKORN. MY NAME IS DR. TERRENCE SMITH, DEPUTY DIRECTOR FOR ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH. I'M HERE WITH DIRECTOR PAUL ROGERS AND ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR ANGELA, WHO IS HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE HUMAN FECES CLEAN UP PROGRAM. WHICH WAS ASKED ABOUT ON FEBRUARY 21st. FUNDING OBTAINED MARCH 24-RBGS AND THE PROGRAM STARTED IN APRIL. THE RESOLUTION 2024-23, THE CITY ADMINISTRATION SHALL DEVELOP AND ADMINISTER A PROGRAM TO COLLECT FECES THAT BELIEVE COME FROM HUMANS, INCLUDING ENGAGING WITH N APPEAR ASSOCIATING WITH A CONTRACT OR, REMOVING AND DISPOSING OF HAZARDOUS MATERIAL, DIRECTING THE CONTRACTOR TO CLEAN UP HUMAN FECES ON BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PROPERTY, CONTACTING A 3 -- EXCUSE ME, COORDINATING WITH 3 12U MECHANISM THROUGH WHICH RESIDENTS CAN REPORT HUMAN FECES AND CONTRACTOR THAT A CAN BE DISPATCHED TO A LOCATION AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CONTRACTOR, TRACK WHERE HUMAN FECES IS FOUND AND THE EMPHASIS ON CONTRACTOR CLEANING UP SUCH WASTE. THE DEMAND MATRIX, THIS IS OUR CALL. WE SERVICED OVER 309 CALLS. APRIL. MAY JUNE. AND IN JULY, IT INCREASED TO 29.58 CALLS PER WEEK. THE PERCENT OF THE CLEAN UP SPIKES REPORTED MULTIPLE COMPLAINTS, WHICH REPRESENT 43 PERCENT OF THE CALLS. OUR CALLS STARTED THE PROGRAM ON APRIL 1, THROUGH 16, WE WORKED WITH THE CONTRACTOR AND GET IT DO YOU TO $455 PER CALL IN JULY. LEAVING A TOTAL EXPENDITURE OF -- THIS IS OUR HEAT MAP, SHOWING THE HIGHLY ACTIVE AREAS WHERE THE CALLS COME FROM. AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY ARE KIND OF BROKEN DMIEWN DISTRICTS. AND THEN CURRENT RESPONSE WORKLOAD, AS THEY RECEIVED THE 311 COMPLAINT, WE VET THE COMPLAINT TO MAKE SURE IT IS FECES RELATED AND IF NOT, IT IS DISTRIBUTED TO THE APPROPRIATE DEPARTMENT. THE CONTRACTOR HAS 24S TO 48 HOURS. THE CONTRACTOR DOES DO A PREINTENTION, MAKE SURE OF THE SITE, AND THEN THEY DISPATCH. ONCE THEY RECEIVE IT THEY DO AGREE OWE MAPS. THE CONTRACTOR HAS TWO FULL-TIME MANY CREWS THAT HANDLE FIVE TO TEN CALLS, DEPENDING ON THE RESOURCES. THEY ALSO TAKE BEFORE AND AFTER PICTURES OF THE SITE. ONCE COMPLETED, THE CONTRACTOR LOGS AN INVOICE AND SENDS IT IN FOR PAYMENT. THE PROPOSAL IS TO REDUCE COST AND INCREASE EFFICIENCY, THE ENVIRONMENTAL DEPARTMENT HAS TWO EMPLOYEES, ONE TO ADDRESS THE CALLS AND ONE TO ADDRESS THE HOT SPOTS ON THE MARNTION AND THEN ALSO TRAINING IN THE PROPER USE OF CLEANING TOOLS, AND PROPER PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT, AND ALSO ASSURED PROPER DISPOSAL OF THE WASTE. THE PROGRAM SPECIFICS, THE NEW TEAM WILL BE HOUSED IN THE CURRENT DIVISION WITH SOLID WASTE. FUNDING FOR THE OPERATION WILL BE NEED TO BE ADDRESSED THROUGH -- BECAUSE IT IS NOT IN THE CURRENT BUDGET FOR SOLID WASTE. STAFF WILL COLLABORATE WITH BUSINESSES REQUIRING FREQUENT CLEAN UP, TO DO A COST SHARING AGREEMENT. THE BUDGET WILL BE $55,000 PER EMPLOYEE, WITH A TOTAL COST, $220,000, TWO WEEKS, AT $48,0000 PER VEHICLE, TOTAL COST OF 96 THOWRKSDZ AND THEN WASTE DISPOSAL, WHICH IS $1300 A MONTH. THAT COMES OUT TO $15,000 A YEAR, GIVING US A TOTAL COST OF 324 FOR THE YEAR. THE SAVINGS TO THE CITY, THE SOLID WASTE AND ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH SAY IT WILL SAFE, ONCE IT IS BROUGHT IN-HOUSE. THE ADDED BENEFITS OF BRINGING THIS SERVICE IN-HOUSE IS A QUICK RESPONSE TIME TO REMOVE A CALLS. WE HAVE TEAMS L DEDICATED TO THE CALLS. ONE THING WE WANT TO MAKE SURE, THE CURRENT PROGRAM WILL REMAIN IN PRACTICE UNTIL THE RESOURCES ARE IN PLACE, AND PREPARED TO RESPOND. THANK YOU. >> Coun. Fiebelkorn: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. I HAVE QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS. FIRST OF ALL, I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY THAT THE PROPOSAL IS GOING TO INCLUDE DASH IT IS VERY CLEARLY WRITTEN IN THE LEDGE STHAWN IT BE HOUSED OUT OF ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH. HOW DOES THAT WORK? >> MR. PRESIDENT AND COUNCILLOR FIEBELKORN, I HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT. ITS JUST A PROPOSAL. I'LL HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU. >> Coun. Fiebelkorn: SPECIFICALL Y, IT SAYS IN THE LEGISLATION THAT THIS WOULD BE HOUSED IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH DRNGHTS AND FOR SPECIFIC REASON, THAT HUMAN FECES IS A BIOHAZARD, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS BEING REMOVED CORRECTLY AND NOT JUST REMOVED, AND WE DO TRUST THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH, I'M NOT SURE WE HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS TO DO THAT. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILLOR FIEBELKORN, AS STATED, IT IS A PROPOSAL. WE CAN ALTER THAT. I WOULD SAY WE DON'T HAVE STAFF NOW ON EITHER SIDE THAT'S REALLY TRAINED IN THE PROPER WAY TO DO THIS. I THINK ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH CAN SET THE STANDARD, DO THE TRAINING. IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF IT WAS SOLID WASTE. THEY ARE DOING CLEAN UP ALREADY. THEY ARE A PROPRIETARY FUND. THEY ARE SELF FUNDED. APPEAR THEY ARE ALREADY CLEANING UP OTHER PARTS OF OUR STREETS. SO IT KIND OF MAKES ACCEPTS, AND FROM A BUDGET PERSPECTIVE, IT IS PROBABLY EASIER TO FIT IT INTO SOLID WASTE, AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME OUT OF THE GRINLD. LOOKS A LITTLE BETTER FOR US FROM A BUDGET PERSPECTIVE AND I'M CONFIDENT THAT ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH CAN WORK WITH SOLID QEAS, IF THAT'S THE DESIRE TO PRODUCE THE REQUIREMENT, APPEAR HELP WITH THE TRAINING. >> Coun. Fiebelkorn: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I STILL SAY, THAT WOULD REQUIRE A CHANGE IN THE LAW. I WOULD NOT SUPPORT IT. THIS IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN CLEANING UP TRASH IN THE MEDIAN. THIS IS CLEANING UP HUMAN FECES. THIS IS A VERY DIFFERENT THING. AND THE CONTRACTORS THAT WE DO HAVE ON STAFF RIGHT NOW ARE ON CONTRACT RIGHT NOW, DOING AN AMAWZING JOB OF REALLY MAKING SURE THAT IT IS DONE IN AN ENVIRONMENTALLY SOUND MANNER AND I WOULD NEED TO BE SHOWN THAT THE STAFF IS GOING TO BE ABLE IT O DO THAT. FIRST OF ALL, WHERE WOULD THEY BE PURCHASING ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT THE CONTRACTOR NOW HAS, BECAUSE IT IS NOT JUST GOING OUT WITH PLASTIC BAGS. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILLOR FIEBELKORN, YES, WE HAVE ALREADY EXPLORED POTENTIAL EQUIPMENT OUT THERE. WE HAVE GOTTEN BIDS. AS FAR AS THE ROUND OF REPRESENTING LAYINGSES WHERE WE HAVE RESEARCHED AND AGAIN, THIS IS IN ITS INFANCY, BUT WE UNDERSTANDS THE FEDERAL REGULATION, THE OSHA, THE BLOOD BORN PATH GREEN, THE EPA GUIDELINES. AGAIN, WE ARE IN THE BEGINNING STAGES BUT WE HAVE EXPLORED WHAT TYPE OF TRAINING, THE TRAINING OF USE OF PP. , HOW TO DISPOSE OF PP EDGES. WE ARE PRETTY CONFIDENT IN OUR PREVENTION, AT SOLID WASTE, THAT THEY WOULD ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME OF THE TRAINING. BUT AS FAR AS EQUIPMENT, AND WHAT IS NEEDED TO MAINTAIN THE CLEANING UP BY THE CITY, I BELIEVE THE SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT WOULD BE ABLE TO ASSIST. >> Coun. Fiebelkorn: WE DON'T HAVE THAT EQUIPMENT NOW? >> NO, WE CURRENTLY DON'T. >> Coun. Fiebelkorn: DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE ON -- >> WE DO HAVE SOME. WE WOULD HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU, BUT WE ARE EXPLORING DIFFERENT PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO UTILIZE. >> Coun. Fiebelkorn: SO TO SAVE $184,000, WE ARE GOING TO SPEND, I'M GUESSING, ABOUT $184,000 ON EQUIPMENT. >> NO, NO MANY. >> Coun. Fiebelkorn: HAS ANYONE FROM THE ADMINISTRATION BEEN OUT WITH THE TEAM THAT'S CURRENTLY REMOVING FECES IN OUR COMMUNITY IN IT IS A SPECIALLY EQUIPPED VEHICLE, WITH SPECIALIZED EQUIPMENT ON IT. I DO THINK YOU CAN GET THAT FOR 20K. >> COUNCILOR LEWIS, COUNCILLOR FIEBELKORN, I HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO SEE IT AND EXPERIENCE T I KNOW IT IS A VERY COMPLICATED SYSTEM. THEY MET OUR EXPECTATIONS. I KNOW THAT IT IS A COMPLICATED PROCESS. MOST PEOPLE THINK IT IS JUST PICKING IT UP, BUT THEY GO THROUGH A GOOD PROCESS AND DO A GOOD JOB. >> Coun. Fiebelkorn: IF THIS IS AN ACTUAL PROPOSAL THAT'S COMING FROM THE ADMINISTRATION, THEY NEED TO HAVE SOME DOLLAR AMOUNTS WITH IT. IN TERMS OF WHAT THE EQUIPMENT WOULD COST. I WOULD WANT TO KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHERE THESE EMPLOYEES WOULD BE HOUSED, GIVEN RIGHT NOW THAT THE LAW SAYS IT WILL BE IN THE ERCH DEPARTMENT, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT GOING TO SAVE 184 AND SPEND THAT MUCH. I GUESS YOU WOULD SPEAK MORE THAN THAT, GUESS OF BASED ON THE EQUIPMENT THAT'S BEING USE BID PROFESSIONALS IN THE FIELD RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. >> Coun. Baca: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. HI DID HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO OUT WITH THE POOP PATROL, SO TO SPEAK. I ECHO COUNCILLOR FIEBELKORN'S CONCERNS, FOR SURE. THAT WAS SPECIALIZED EQUIPMENT. THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE DOING GOD'S WORK, AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED. THEY WORK HARD. AND I 100 PERCENT SUPPORT COUNCILLOR FIEBELKORN ON THIS AND HOW IT IS HANDLED. AN ADDITIONAL QUESTION. CURRENTLY, IT IS HANDLED BY 311 CALLS. I SENT AN E-MAIL TO YOUR OFFICE, DR. SMITH, I BELIEVE IT WAS YOU, MAYBE I WAS WRONG, BUT REQUESTING -- WE HAVE CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CITY THAT WE KNOW COULD BE CLEANED EVERY SINGLE DAY, AND WAITING ON A 311 RESPONSE ACTUALLY EXACERBATES THE ISSUE. JUST THINKING WITHIN MY OWN, WHEN I WAS WITH THE CURRENT CONTRACTOR, WHO DID A PHENOMENAL JOB, BY THE WAY, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE MARKETS WHERE THE INDIVIDUALS ARE, THE GRAY HOWNGD STATION WHERE THEY ARE COMING IN FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY, SOME OF THOSE AREAS, WE DON'T NEED A 311 CALL. IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD JUST HAVE THAT DONE EVERY WEEK, EVERY TWO WEEKS, EVEN. THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. NOW IT IS HAPPENING WHEN IT IS IN THE CUE. I KNOW OTHER DISTRICTS WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. MAYBE WE CAN WORK SOMETHING OUT, AT LEAST ON SOME LOCATIONS. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILLOR BACA, I WANT TO ABSOLUTELY RESPOND TO THAT, WHICH IS WHY THE PRO'S A HAS A TEAM. RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A CONTRACT WHERE THE 311 CALL COMES IN, AND WE ARE WORKING WITH THE CONTRACTOR. YOU SAW THE PREFERRED INCIDENT PRICE. I THINK OUR TEAM HAS RECOGNIZED THAT IT IS, RECOGNIZED THE EXACT CONDITIONS THAT YOU TALK B WE KNOW THERE ARE AREAS IN THE HEAT MAP IF WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROACTIVELY GO THROUGH, BUT WITH A SECOND TEAM, THAT WOULD BE THEIR FOCUS. MORE RESPONSIVE TO WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS ASKING FOR, VERSUS JUST A RESPONSE. THAT'S WHY THE PROPOSAL IS FOR TWO WEEKS, ONE RESPONDING TO 311 AND A SECOND TEAM THAT'S PROACTIVELY ADDRESSING THE AREAS THAT ARE WE ALREADY KNOW THAT NEED IT THAT SUPPORT ON A REGULAR BASIS, AND ESSENTIALLY WE GET IT WHERE IT IS NEEDED. >> Coun. Baca: I APPRECIATE IT. THE CONTRACTOR WAS VERY CLEAR ON HOW HE WAS HANDLING IT, AS WELL, AND UNTIL WE ACTUALLY GET TO THIS POINT, I WOULD LIKE TO HELP THAT MAYBE WE CAN GET A LITTLE PROACTIVE ABOUT THAT, AS WELL. IS. >> Coun. Rogers: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THANK YOU FOR THE PROPOSAL. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. DO WE COMPARE WHAT IT WOULD COST TO MAINTAIN PUBLIC RESTROOMS? >> SO AS FAR AS PUBLIC RESTROOMS, AT ONE POINT WE HAD ROUGHLY ABOUT 16 PUBLIC RESTROOMS, AND THE VENDOR THAT WE HAD ON CONTRACT ELECTED TO PULL AWAY FROM US, BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF VANDALISM AND IT WASN'T PROVING IF HE CAN TOUGH. THEY -- WASN'T PROVING EFFECTIVE. THE CONTRACTOR DID NOT WANT TO SUPPLY ANYMORE PUBLIC RESTROOMS BECAUSE OF THE VANDALISM THAT WAS OCCURRING. THEY WERE LIGHTING THEM ON FIRE. BUT AT ONE POINT, I BELIEVE WE HAD ROUGHLY 16, 17, STRATEGICALLY PLACED THROUGHOUT THE CITY, BUT IT WASN'T PROVEN EFFECTIVE. >> Coun. Rogers: WHEN WAS THIS? >> THIS WAS RIGHT AROUND COVID. >> Coun. Rogers: MAKES SENSE. MR. PRESIDENT, CAN WE DO AN UPDATED COMPARISON WHAT IT WOULD COST TO STAY WITH THE CONTRACTOR, COMPLETE COSTS FOR THE CITY, BECAUSE YOU SAID THERE WERE TWO VEHICLES FOR $48,000 EACH. THOSE AREN'T THE SAME VEHICLE THAT THE CONTRACTOR IS USING, THESE ARE JUST REGULAR MOTOR POOL CARS, OR TRUCKS OR WHAT VEHICLES ARE IN YOUR QUOTE? >> THEY ARE STANDARD VEHICLES. STANDARD TRUCKS THAT HAVE EQUIPMENT ATTACHED TO THEM THAT ARE USED TO CLEAN UP THE AREA. SO YEAH, IT IS JUST A VEHICLE, AND THEN THE EQUIPMENT IS ATTACHED TO IT. >> Coun. Rogers: SO THIS QUOTE FOR $48,000 WAS ONLY FOR THE VEHICLE, NOT THE EQUIPMENT? >> YES. >> Coun. Rogers: OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN HAVE WE TALKED TO OUR UNION ABOUT WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT HAVING EMPLOYEES DOING THIS WORK? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILLOR ROGERS, WE HAVEN'T SPOKEN WITH AFTER ME YET. IT WOULD BE A NEW JOB DESCRIPTION, NEW POSITIONS, DIFFERENT SKILLS. SO THOSE JOBS WOULD NOT BE IDENTIFIED YET AS AFSME JOBS. >> Coun. Rogers: THANK YOU, A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS, MR. PRESIDENT. SO WITH THE PUBLIC RESTROOMS, WE DIDN'T HAVE CITY EMPLOYEES MAINTAINING THOSE, THOSE WERE THE CONTRACT? THAT WAS NODDING IN THE AFFIRMATIVE? >> MR. PRESIDENT, SORRY JUROR NO. 1, COUNCILLOR ROGERS, THEY WERE PORT A POTTIES AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A BRAND NAME. I JUST WANT IT USE THAT WORD AS A WAY TO EXPLAIN IT. AND THE CONTRACTOR OWNED THOSE AND THAT I KNOWED THOSE, AND IT WAS THREE OR FOUR TIMES A DAY TO GO OUT AND BE SURE THEY ARE IN GOOD CONDITION. >> Coun. Rogers: WONDERFUL. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE UPDATED PROPOSAL IS WE LOOK AT THE CURRENT MODELS, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN RESEARCHING PUBLIC RESTROOMS THAT ARE SELF CLEANING, AND NOT HARDER TO VAN DAMEYES. SO LET'S PUT THAT UNTIL THE PROPOSAL, SO WE COMPARE ALL THE ACROSS THE BOARD. WE SHOULD REVISIT THAT, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT IN AN UPDATED PROPOSAL. THANK YOU. >> Coun. Sanchez: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. MY FIRST QUESTION IS, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS BRINGING ANOTHER, HE SHOULD SAY, ANOTHER ADMINISTRATIVE PROPOSAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT HASN'T EVEN BEEN FULLY THOUGHT OUT. WE ARE ASKING QUESTIONS, AND YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE ANSWERS FOR THOSE QUESTIONS. I THINK IT IS REALLY, REALLY PREMATURE THAT YOU BRING THIS TO US IN REFERENCE TO THIS ACTUAL FECES CLEAN UP, WHEN YOU'RE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING READY FOR PRIME TIME. THIS HAPPENS OVER AND OVER AND OVER WITH THIS ADMINISTRATION. WE NEED TO SEE SOMETHING THAT'S READY FOR PRIME TIME, AND NOT ONLY THAT, IT IS OBVIOUS BY YOUR WORDS THAT THE CONTRACTOR IS DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB WITH EVERYTHING THAT HE IS DOING. AND ALSO, I'VE BEEN L TOLD BY THE CONTRACTOR, HIMSELF, THAT HE HAS ACTUALLY APPROACHED YOU, MR. SMITH, IN REFERENCE TO CUTTING THE COST EVEN MORE, AND MR. PRESIDENT, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT GOT RENEWED, BUT I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THE LAST TWO WEEKS, OR THE LAST TWO COUNSEL MEETINGS, TO ACTUALLY HAVE THE CONTRACTOR GIVE US A PRESENTATION, AND HE IS HERE AND HE IS READY TO GO WITH HIS PRESENTATION. CAN YOU ALLOW THAT PRESENTATION TO BE HEARD TONIGHT, SIR? JUST TO SHOW YOU THE EXCELLENT WORK THAT THIS CONTRACTOR IS DOING? >> Pres. Lewis: I THINK THAT WAS JUST INADVERTENTLY SOMEHOW MISSED TONIGHT. I DO WANT TO THANK YOU ALL. I KNOW THAT YOU WERE ASKED HERE TONIGHT TO GIVE US THIS PRESENTATION COUNCILLOR FIEBELKORN ASKED YOU TO COME, SO THANK YOU FOR GIVING US A STATUS REPORT ON WHERE YOU'RE AT RIGHT NOW. THE EXPECTATION FOR YOU ALL HAVE HAVE IT ALL FIGURED OUT BY NOW IS CERTAINLY TOO MUCH TO ASK. I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE WORKING HARD IN THAT REGARD. SO THANK YOU FOR COMING TONIGHT AND GIVING THAT PRESENTATION AT THE REQUEST OF THE COUNCIL. WE DO APPRECIATE THAT. BUT LET'S FINISH THIS. AND COUNCILOR, THE CONTRACTOR IS HERE TONIGHT, BECAUSE I THINK WE DID APPROVE THAT PRESENTATION TO BE DONE TONIGHT, AS WELL. WE WILL GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. BUT LET'S FINISH WITH THIS PRESENTATION. >> Coun. Fiebelkorn: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. L I DO APPRECIATE THE UPDATE ON THE EXISTING PROPOSAL, OR ON THE EXISTING PROGRAM, BUT I DID ASK FOR AN UPDATE ON THE EXISTING PROGRAM, AND NOT A NEW PROS A. SO THAT IS NOT WHAT WE WERE ASKING FOR THIS EVENING, AND I'M THE ONE THAT PUT THE PRESENTATION REQUEST IN, SO I WOULD KNOW. BUT I DO WANT TO SAY TO COUNCILLOR ROGERS'S POINT ABOUT BATHROOMS, THAT'S NOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF PORT A POTTIES. THAT'S NOT WHAT ANYONE IS ASKING FOR. THAT'S A PORTLAND LOO IN THE UP TOWN, AND OLD TOWN AREA. THOSE ARE THE MODELS OF WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR IN TERMS OF PUBLIC BATHROOMS. SO ANY ANALYSIS WE DO SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THOSE KIND OF SITUATIONS, NOT DISPENSING MOBILE BATH THROOMS CAN BE VANDALIZED EASILY. AND MY LAST STATEMENT IS NOT FOR THE FOLKS THAT GAVE THE PRESENTATION BUT FOR THE ADMINISTRATION. I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT WE NOW NEED A BUDGET. I CAN GO BACK AND FIND THE PROBABLY 40 FILES THAT I BROUGHT THIS UP DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS WHERE I WAS TOLD OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT WE HAD IT IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH CONTRACT POSITION, CONTRACT LINE ITEM, AND IF I NEED TO, I CAN GO BACK AND GET A CONSTELLATION OF THAT BUT I SEE YOU SHAKING YOUR HEAD. THAT IS A CONVERSATION THIS WE HAD. I HOPE WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ASKING THIS COUNSEL TO FIND AN ADDITIONAL BUDGET FOR THIS PROGRAM, GIVEN THE NUMEROUS TIMES THAT WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILLOR FIEBELKORN, WE DID HAVE THAT DISCUSSION MULTIPLE TIMES, AND OUR INTENT WAS TO ABSORB THE $100,000 IN THE NEW BUDGET THIS CONTRACT SERVICES. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE COST IS NOT, PER YEAR, IS NOT $100,000. SO WE HAVE SAID, AND THE REASON WHY THE WORD PILOT KEPT COMING UP, AND WE KNOW IT WASN'T MEANT TO BE A PILOT, BUT THE TIME PERIOD WE HAD TO RUN THAT $100,000 WAS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO EVALUATE THE COST OF THE CONTRACT AND THE DEMAND, AND THAT INFORMATION. THAT'S WHY TONIGHT, WE WANTED TO BRING FORWARD A PROPOSAL TO YOU ALL THAT NOT ONLY ADDRESSES -- I'M SORRY, A PRESENTATION THAT NOT ONLY ADDRESSES WHAT WE HAVE DONE WITH THE CURRENT CONTRACTOR, BUT A PROPOSAL THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO ENHANCE THE POTENTIAL AVAILABLE -- THE POTENTIAL, MORE AVAILABLE ABILITY FOR THE NEED. WHICH IS THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE SOLID WASTE TO HAVE AN ENTERPRISE FUND, AND THE ALIGNMENT FOR KEEPING THE CITY CLEAN. WE RECOGNIZE THAT YOU DID NOT ASK FOR A PROPOSAL 89 WE ARE WE ARE EMPLOYING THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMING. >> WE WILL BE HAPPY TO BRING A PROPOSAL RELATED TO REST LOOMS, IF THAT WAS ASKED. IT WAS NOT ASKED, THAT'S WHY WE DID NOT BRING A PROPOSAL RELATED TO RESTROOMS TONIGHT. I WANT TO BE CLEAR, THAT WAS NOT ONLY OUR RADAR. WITHOUT THAT REQUEST, WE ARE NOT PREPARED TO PROVIDE YOU WITH A RESTROOM PROS A. WE WILL HAPPY DO THAT, AND WE WANT TO THANK WITH YOU ALL RELATED TO RESTROOMS. WE ALL AGREE WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE NEED TO PUBLIC RESTROOMS, THE ACCESS TO PUBLIC RESTROOMS. IT SEVENS A NEED WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. THIS WAS GIVING US AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A HEAT MAP TO SHOW WHERE THE REAL DEMAND IS CLEAR, AND I WILL SAY IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO REGULAR NIERKS AS WELL, THAT JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE RESTROOMS DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE WON'T HAVE THE NEED FOR HUMAN FECES CLEAN UP. SO THEY ARE NOT ONE OR THE OTHER. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK THROUGH THIS AND DETERMINE THE WAY FOR US TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND MY GOAL AND ALL OF OUR GOAL IS TO GET IN A POSITION WHERE WE HAVE LESS OF THE NEED FOR THE POO PATROL, FOR THE HUMAN FECES CLEAN UP, AND MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR HUMANE OPPORTUNITIES FOR INDIVIDUALS TO HAVE FACILITIES AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES. >> Coun. Fiebelkorn: THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO DO A STRAIGHT FORWARD MAP A. SET ASIDE $100,000 TO GET US THROUGH THE NEW BUDGET, PERIOD. THAT WAS THREE MONTHS AT $100,000. THAT'S A QUARTER. THERE ARE FOUR OF THOSE IN A YEAR. SO IF YOU DO THE MATH ON THAT, WE EXPECTED THIS PROGRAM TO COST AT LEAST $400,000 FOR A CALENDAR YEAR, AND SO WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION NUMEROUS TIMES MANY WE WERE TOLD THAT MONEY AS WATER UTILITY AUTHORITY AVAILABLE. AND NOW IT IS NOT. >> Pres. Lewis: THANK YOU. BECAUSE OF THE PRESENTATION THAT COUNCILLOR SANCHEZ REQUESTED, AND TO BE HONEST, AN I AM NOT SURE HOW THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN MISSED OR NOT ON OUR SCHEDULE, BUT COUNCILLOR SANCHEZ, IF YOU'D LIKE TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES FOR THE PRESENTATION, WE CAN DO THAT NOW. >> Coun. Sanchez: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I APPRECIATE IT. THE PRESENTATION I'M GOING TO GIVE, OR THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NOW, IS GOING TO BE THROUGH A COMPANY CALLED SPECIALIZED GENERAL SERVICES. AND IT'S OWNER IS CHRIS PACHECO. OF HE IS THE CONTRACTOR THAT WE HAVE ON FILE RIGHT NOW. 'S SMALL BUSINESS OWNER. HE REALLY HAS HIS HEART AND SOLE INTO THIS PROJECT, HELPING THE CITIZENS OF ALBUQUERQUE, AND DOING IT RIGHT. HE ACTUALLY CAME TO MY OFFICE, MY PERSONAL OFFICE, AND I HAD AN ISSUE WITH FECES CLEAN UP, AND HE CAME IN AND DID AN EXTREMELY PROFESSIONAL JOB. JUST THE PROFESSIONALISM, THE WAY IT WAS HANDLED, THE WAY IT WAS DONE, WAS UNBELIEVABLE. I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF ANYBODY, MUCH LESS THE CITY, WOULD ACTUALLY EVEN TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS THE WAY HE DID. SO CHRIS, CAN YOU COME UP AND GIVE YOUR PRESENTATION, PLEASE. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TO GIVE THIS PRESENTATION. THIS PRESENTATION IS BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE, WHAT WE ARE SEEING OUT IN THE FIELD, WHAT WE HAVE HEARD, HOW WE HAVE HANDLED THIS CONTRACT. I'M THE OWNER OF THE COMPANY. I'VE BEEN IN BRINGS FOR 20 YEARS, 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN THIS INDUSTRY. I'M GOING TO JUMP RIGHT IN. YOU CAN'T JUST SCOOP THE POOP IN THE TRASH ANTHRO IT AWAY. ITS AN EXTENSIVE PROCESS. THAT MAY SOUND EXPENSIVE, THE UP FRONT COSTS, AND I'LL JUMP INTO THAT A LITTLE LATER IN OUR EVALUATION THAT WE HAVE DONE, AND ALSO WE WILL DO AN ADDITIONAL EVALUATION. HOWEVER, THE BLOOD BORN PATHOGENS, THE EX-POISH, THE HEP-C, I CAN GO ON AND ON. ALL THE EXPOSURE. YOU CAN'T JUST SCOOP IT AND TOSS IT. IT IS AN EXPENSIVE PROCESS. I KNOW THIS IS NOT THE SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM, BUT THIS IS AN ACTIVE SOLUTION, AND THE RESIDENTS HAVE LOVED IT. AND I'LL GO INTO THAT. BIOHAZARD WREAS REMOVAL IS OUR EXPERTISE MUCH THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR TWO DECADES. THE EQUIPMENT, THE EQUIPMENT ALONE IS VERY COSTLY. VERY COSTLY, AND IT IS FINELY ENGINEERING: YOU CAN'T JUST GO OUT AND BUY EQUIPMENT, IT IS FINE TUNED, AND ENGINEERED SPECIFIC FOR THIS PROGRAM. AND THAT GOES INTO THE EPA DISCHARGE POLLUTION SYSTEM. POLLUTION IS HUMAN, AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE SO PASSIONATE ABOUT OUR RECLAMATION SYSTEM AND HOW WE ENGINEERED OVER THE YEARS. IT WORKS SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS REASON. AND WE HAVE VIDEO, WE HAVE DATA ALL THAT, SHOWING OUR RECLAMATION. WE CLEAN ALL OF IT. WE HAVE ENGINEERED TO WHERE IT DOESN'T SPLASH. IT IS VERY SPECIFIC TO THIS RECLAMATION SYSTEM. THE SAFETY, SAFETY IS FIRST. YOU CAN'T JUST HIRE SOME EMPLOYEES, THROW THEM IN, THERE IS A. THEY GO THROUGH TRAINING. OUR EMPLOYEES HAVE VIGOROUS TRAINING. THEY HAVE BEEN ON THE JOB WITH US -- SOME OF MY EMPLOYEES, OVER A DECADE. AND WE DON'T HAVE JUST CREW, WE HAVE MULTIPLE CREWS. WE DEDICATED TWO CREWS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. WE HAVE ACCOMMODATED AND GIVEN EVERYTHING, AND INVESTED IN OUR EQUIPMENT, THE RECLAMATION SYSTEM SPECIFICALLY TO ACCOMMODATE THIS PROGRAM. SO THERE IS RIGOROUS TRAINING, AND I CAN GO ON ABOUT ALL THE PROPER TRAINING THAT'S REQUIRED. THE HANDLING, THE EXPERIENCE, THE PROPER DISPOSAL. YOU CAN'T JUST GO IN AND DISPOSE AND TOSS IT IN THE TRASH. IT TAKES DISPOSAL, IT GOES KNEE BAGS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED, TAGGED, AND THEY GO INTO CONTAINER STORAGES AND WE HAVE A SECOND COMPANY THAT GOES AND COLLECT. THEY INCINERATE IT, AND THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER PROCESS. AND WE KEEP A MANIFEST LOG WITH ALL OF THE ABOVE. AS FAR AS LIQUIDS, ALL PRESSURE WASHING IS DONE WITH HEAT, 280 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT TO KILL BACTERIA OFF THE BAT. DISINFECTING, YOU HAVE TO KNOW THE PROPER TIME. AND THEN THE LIQUIDS ARE DISPOSITIONED ON A REGULAR BASIS. SO WE TAKE THE DISPOSAL PROCESS VERY SERIOUS. OF IT IS A 16 12E7 PROCESS. HE YOU CAN'T JUST TOSS IT IN THE TRASH. IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. THERE ARE 16 STEPS IN DETAIL. A. I CAN EXPLAIN THIS IN DETAIL, LET ME KNOW. AND I CAN SCHEDULE A TIME TO EXPLAIN IT IN DETAIL. BUT THERE ARE 16 STEPS. ADAPTABILITY, WHEN WE WERE FIRST HIRED ON AS THE CONTRACTOR BACK IN APRIL WEERNG DIRECTIONS. HERE SAT CONTRACT, HERE IS $100,000, GO OUT AND CLEAN THE POOP. WE TOOK IT ON, AND THERE IS A WHOLE ENTIRE PROCESS. WE PUT TOGETHER A TRAINED TEAM, SPECIALIZED EQUIPMENT, AN ENTIRE PROCESS, AND THEN STARTED THE PROGRAM WITH THAT IN MIND. SO WE ADAPTED IMMEDIATELY. IT WAS DONE -- WE HAVE DONE 500, 311 CALLS TO DATE. OUR CONTRACT WAS APPROVED, AND IT IS A ONE HOUR MINIMUM, AND THAT'S THE STANDARD CHARGE WITH OTHER COMPANIES THAT WE DO SERVICE WITH. THE FIRST MONTH IN, THE MINUTE MALL COST WAS AROUND $645. PER SERVICE. WE WERE WORKING AND CAME TO HIM AND SAID, BASED ON THE EVALUATION, WE STREAMLINED SOME THINGS. WE SAID WE CAN TAKE THIS TO A POINT FIVES, A HALF HOUR MINUTE MURNLG AS OPPOSED TO ONE HOUR. AT THAT POINT, HE SAID, IT IS YOUR CONTRACT, IT IS UP TO YOU. WE SAID WE WILL DO THIS FOR THE RESIDENTS, WE ARE PASSIONATE, WE ARE RESIDENTS OF ALBUQUERQUE, AND WE WANT TO MAKE THIS PLACE A CLEAN HER PLACE MUCH IT IS NOT BASED ON MONEY, IT IS BASED ON PASSION. SO 38.5 PERCENT AT THAT TIME, QUESTION TOOK IT UPON OURSELVES AND INSISTED ON THE DECREASE MANY WE WERE ABLE TO GET ALMOST DOUBLE THE WORK OF 311 RESPONSES GOING SINCE THEFNLT OUR AVERAGE COST NOW IS APPROXIMATELY $245 AND $390. THAT MAY SOUND EXPENSIVE, BUT THE PROCEDURE BEHIND IT IS AN EXTENSIVE PROCESS. IN ADDITION, WE ARE NOT JUST COLLECTING POOP, FECES WE ALSO COLLECTOR DATA. WE ARE NOT JUST A MAINTENANCE COMPANY, WE COLLECT DATA, AND WE TOOK IT ON OURSELVES AS THE CONTRACTOR SO WE CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND, AND THE COUNCIL CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND, THE CITY, AND SO FORTH, WE HAVE BEEN BUILDING A SOFTWARE, COLLECTING DATA, IN REALTIME, AND WHEN WE WERE FIRST CONTRACTED, BEFORE AND AFTER PICTURES, A TIMEFRAME OF A WORK ORDER. HERE IS OUR DIGITAL WORK ORDER, IT COLLECTS ALL DATA. TIME OF ARRIVAL, DEPARTURE, TECHNICIAN NOASSMENTS AND WE ALSO DOLL AUDITOR NOTES. I HAVE A TEAM OF THAT GOES OUT AND DO AUDITS. WE DON'T CHARGE THE CITY FOR THIS. AT ALL. IT IS A PART OF OUR QUALITY CONTROL CHECK, TO MAKE SURE OUR IF HE CAN NEXTS ARE -- TECHNICIANS ARE FOLLOWING THE STEPS. OF WE ALSO DO THAT. OUR AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME IS 30 MINUTES. WE ARE ALWAYS COMPLETING JOBS WITHIN 24 HOURS MANY WE HAVE HANDFUL OF TEAMS, DEDICATED TEAMS. SINCE THEN, WE HAVE DONE ANOTHER EVALUATION, AND WE ARE NOW ACTUALLY SERVICING ON THE WEEKEND AND EVENINGS. A AFTER HOURS, HOLIDAYS, AT NO ADDITIONAL COST, AND WE HAVE OFFERED THAT TO THE CITY AND TO THIS PROGRAM, BECAUSE FOR EXAMPLE, WE GOT SOME CALLS ON THE HOLIDAY WEEKEND, WE WENT BY AND THAT POOP WAS STILL THERE. WE OPERATED ON SATURDAY, SUNDAY, AND MONDAY, AT NO ADDITIONAL COST. ITS TRENDING FROM WHEN WE FIRST -- >> Pres. Lewis: MR. PACHECO, I THINK WE ARE GOING TO OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS NOW. WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN A CERTAIN L TIME LIMIT. >> JUST REAL QUICK, WE DO HAVE A HEAT MAP IN ROLE TIME, THAT'S PART OF OUR DATA COLLECTION. ANY QUESTIONS? >> Pres. Lewis: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. I JUST REALLY FEEL THAT IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE REALLY LOOK AT THE QUALITY THIS GENTLEMAN BRINGS TO THE TABLE AND PROFESSIONALISM, AND ALSO, NOW, WE ARE LOOKING AT $245 AS THE COST. THAT IS ACTUALLY SUBSTANTIALLY LESS THAN THE $600, WHAT WAS IT, $650. SO THANK YOU FOR WORKING TO GET THAT DONE. MY ONLY WORRY IS THAT NOW THAT THE CITY WANTS TO DO IT, AND THAT WE HAVE A CONTRACTOR ON IT, I JUST HOPE THAT THERE IS NO TYPE OF RETALIATION AGAINST A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER IN REFERENCE TO WHAT HE IS DOING. I THINK THAT AS LONG AS HE IS DOING IT IN A VERY SMART WAY, I THINK WE SHOULD WORK REQUEST HIM. NOW, IF HE HAS SOME MISSTEPS OR THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH IT, THEN I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY LOOK AT MAYBE INTERNALIZING IT, BUT I DON'T THINK WE ARE EVEN CLOSE TO INTERNALIZING IT. >> Pres. Lewis: DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, SIR. I THINK IT IS ALWAYS GOOD TO GET SOME INSIGHT FROM CONTRACTORS FOR THE CITY THAT DO ANY KIND OF WORK THAT PROVIDE SERVICES AND PRODUCTS TO THE CITY. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. I KNOW VARIOUS CONTRACTS LIKE THIS GO OUT TO BID, AND I MAJOR THIS GENTLEMAN WENT THROUGH A PROCESS, AND FAIR AND LEGAL PROCESS IN THAT REGARD, AND OFFERS SERVICES TO THE CITY THAT ARE MUCH NEEDED. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT PERSPECTIVE. I THINK FRIEMENT IT IS GOOD TO GET THAT PERSPECTIVE, FROM TIME TO TIME. >> THANK YOU, CITY COUNCIL. APPRECIATE IT. COILT COUNCILORS, WE WILL GO ON TO A Q AND A WITH THE ADMIN. LET'S START WITH COUNCILLOR FIEBELKORN. >> Coun. Fiebelkorn: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I HAVE A QUESTION. I WANT TO INVITE DAVID GOOD, MANNY, DIRECTOR SANCHEZ, AND MR. KEN SEARS DOWN TO THE MENTAL MICROPHONE, THEY WOULDN'T MIND COMING DOWN FOR A SECOND. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE BEST EMPLOYEES, AND I WANTED TO LET FOLKS KNOW ABOUT THAT. SO FIRST, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I'LL TELL ALITTLE BIT. DAVID GOOD STARTED WITH THE CITY IN JULY OF 2016. HE CURRENTLY CERTIFICATE OFS AS THE CENTER MANAGER FOR THE PALO DURO SENIOR CENTER. AND MANNY SERVED THE CITY SINCE DECEMBER 2011, AND DOES AN INCREDIBLE JOB AS GENERAL SERVICE WORKER AT THE CENTER. THESE TWO INDIVIDUALS RECENTLY SAVED A LIFE. AND WE ARE ALL INDEBTED TO THEM. THEY, ON FRIDAY, AUGUST 16, DAVID AND MANNY WERE WORKING AT THE SENIOR CENTER, AND AN INDIVIDUAL WHO I BELIEVE IS HERE TODAY, MR. KEN, FUR HERE, COME ON DOWN -- IF YOU ARE HERE, COME ON DOWN. ANYWAY, HE COLLAPSED DUE TO A MEDICAL EVENT, AND THESE PEOPLE REALLY JUMPED INTO ACTION. HE WAS HAVING TROUBLE BREATHING. THEY SAVED HIS LIFE. THIS IS THE IMPRESSIVE ACHIEVEMENT. WE APPRECIATE YOU. I WANT THE ENTIRE CITY TO KNOW THAT WE HAVE THESE KIND OF EMPLOYEES THAT WILL JUMP INTO ACTION AND LITERALLY SAVE A LIFE AT OUR SENIOR CENTERS. I WANT TO TAKE THIS TIME TO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO AND I WANTED TO, FIRST OF ALL, GIVE YOU A ROUND OF APPLAUSE FOR SAVING A LIFE. [APPLAUSE] >> Coun. Fiebelkorn: AND I WONDERED IF EITHER OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING. [LAUGHTER] >> Coun. Fiebelkorn: DIRECTOR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING? >> I WOULD BE HAPPY TO. THEY ARE MODEST FELLOWS. COUNCIL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR RECOGNIZING OUR EMPLOYEES. I THINK THEY ARE SILENT HEROS EVERY DAY FOR THE WORK THEY DO AND THE COMMUNITY THEY SERVE MUCH THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING THEM. I'M GRATEFUL FOR EVERYTHING THEY DO ON A DAILY BASIS TO TAKE CARE OF OUR COMMUNITY. MR. SEARS IS HERE, AND HE IS VERY INDEBTED TO THEM FOR PERFORMING THE LIFE SAVING MEASURES THAT HONESTLY, I DON'T THINK MOST FOLKS WOULD HAVE REACTED AS WELL AS THEY DID. BUT DUE TO THEIR QUICK THINKING, HE IS WITH US TODAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. >> Coun. Fiebelkorn: AMAZING. ALL OF US WHO HAVE HAD TRAINING THINK WE COULD DO IT, BUT I'M NOT SURE WE COULD, AND WE HAVE PEOPLE WORKING AT THE SENIOR CENTER THAT CAN, AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. [APPLAUSE] >> Pres. Lewis: SO WE WILL CONTINUE WITH THE Q AND A. AND THEN COME BACK TO A PRESENTATION. IS THAT OKAY? THERE IS ONE MORE PRESENTATION THAT WE HAD ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT, AND IT IS IMPORTANT AND WE WANT TO GET TO IT. COUNCILLOR FIEBELKORN WENT FIRST. NEXT, THIS IS TO ADDRESS THE ADMINISTRATION. LAST WEEK, IN THE ALBUQUERQUE JOURNAL, THERE WAS AN ARTICLE ABOUT A JUDGMENT AGAINST THE CITY, A LAWSUIT THAT WAS BROUGHT UPON BY AN OIL COMPANY THAT HAD A CONTRACT WITH THE CITY. AND THERE WAS A JUDGMENT AGAINST THE CITY. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY ALREADY PAID OUT THAT JUDGMENT. THIS IS A VENDOR OF THE CITY THAT I WAS FORMERLY EMPLOYED BY, AND I MADE DISCLOSURES OVER THE YEARS, EVERY YEAR, DURING THAT TIME. BUT IT WAS A LAWSUIT THAT HAPPENED PRIOR TO ME SERVING ON THE CITY COUNCIL. THE ISSUE AT THAT TIME, IT WAS OVER AN EVENT THAT HAPPENED BEFORE MY TIME ON THE CITY COUNCIL. I'VE DISCLOSED THAT. I'VE NOT SAID ANYTHING PUBLICLY ABOUT IT DURING THAT TIME. AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE CLEAR ON THAT, ALTHOUGH THE ADMINISTRATION HAS REPEATEDLY BROUGHT MY NAME INTO IT. I HAD NOT SAID ANYTHING ABOUT IT PUBLICLY. BUT IT IS THE JOB OF THE CITY COUNCILOR, WHEN THERE IS A JUDGMENT LIKE THIS AGAINST THE CITY, AND THERE IS A PAY OUT OF $760,000, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THE COUNCILORS HERE UNDERSTAND THAT WE APPROPRIATE SPECIFICALLY IN THIS REGARD, WE APPROPRIATE EVERY YEAR 4 OR $5 MILLION IN FUEL COSTS TO THE ADMINISTRATION. THAT'S IN OUR BUDGET EVERY YEAR. AND WE ARE RESPONSIBLE IN SOME WAYS FOR POLICIES THAT GUIDE THE ADMINISTRATION AND HOW WE GO ABOUT WORKING WITH VENDORS, AS WE SAW EVEN HERE JUST A LITTLE BIT AGO. BUT THIS WAS A PAY OUT OF I THINK $760,000. I IMAGINE WHAT WE SPENT IN LAWYER FEES IS BEYOND THAT PROCIALTION OVER A MILLION PAIDY THE CITY. AND IT WAS A LAWSUIT REGARDING A BAD FAITH AND BREESH OF CONTRACT THAT WAS PRESENTED AGAINST THE CITY AS A DEFENDANT. THERE WAS AN INITIAL JUDGMENT BY A JUDGE THAT FOUND THE CITY ACTED IN BAD FAITH. THE CITY APPEALED IT. IT ALL HAPPENED OVER THE COURSE OF THREE OR FOUR YEARS. AND THEN AN APPELLATE JUDGE UPHELD THAT LOWER COURT. AND AGAIN, A JUDGMENT AGAINST THE CITY THAT WAS EVEN, SEEMED TO BE EVEN MORE THAN WHAT THE LOWER COURT DID, AND SAID THAT THE CITY ACTUALLY COULD HAVE BEEN LIABLE FOR BREACH THE CONTRACT, AS WELL. SO JUST A FEW THINGS TO ADDRESS WITH THE ADMINISTRATION ON THIS. CERTAINLY I WOULD HOPE THAT AFTER A JUDGMENT LIKE THIS, THAT THERE ARE SOME LESSONS LEARNED. I GUESS THREE THINGS. NEW ONE, WHAT WAS THE TOTAL COST TO THE CITY OF THIS LAWSUIT? THIS JUDGMENT? WHAT WAS THE TOTAL COST, INCLUDING THE PAY OUT TO THE VENDOR? AND THEN THE LEGAL EXPENSES OVER THE YEARS, THE THREE OR FOUR YEARS? I THINK THERE WAS NOT ONLY IN-HOUSE, BUT ALSO CONTRACTED ATTORNEYS THAT HANDLED THIS LAWSUIT. SO I IMAGINE THAT THERE WAS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT. SO IF YOU HAVE THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF THAT, THAT'S IMPORTANT. NO. TWO, IS THE ADMINISTRATION CONCERNED ABOUT ANY AND EVERY VENDOR THAT DOES BUSINESS WITH THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE THAT PROVIDES SERVICES, THAT PROVIDES PRODUCTS TO THE CITY, AND SEEING A JUDGMENT LIKE THIS WHERE THE CITY WAS ACTUALLY FOUND ACTING IN BAD FAITH, THEY CUT A CONTRACT SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THE CITY SAID THEY WANTED TO GET A BETTER FUEL PRICE. SO IS THE ADMINISTRATION CONCERNED. I MEAN, IS THIS A CONCERN RIGHT NOW THAT ANY VENDOR THAT WORKS WITH THE CITY WOULD BE FEARFUL OF DOING BUSINESS WITH THE CITY, OF PROVIDING A CONTRACT, OF ENTERING INTO A CONTRACT WITH THE CITY WITH THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE CITY MIGHT JUST CUT THE CONTRACT? THAT'S NUMBER TWO. NUMBER THREE, WHAT ARE THE LESSONS LEARNED, WHAT ARE THE PROCEDURES WE HAVE PUT IN PLACE, AND LESSONS LEARNED FROM THAT DEPARTMENT, SO THE CITY IS NOT AGAIN FACED WITH A MILLION DOLLARS IN PAY OUT, TAXPAYER MOANT THAT WENT BECAUSE OF DECISION THAT IS WERE MADE, AND BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED, AND HOW THIS VENDOR WAS TREATED. THIS IS NOT A LEGAL QUESTION. I'M NOT ASKING THIS TO OUR ATTORNEY, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT YOU TO DEFEND THE LAWSUIT. I MEAN, THAT WAS DONE. THE CITY PRESENTED ITS CASE, THE JUDGES DIDN'T BELIEVE IT, AND SO I DON'T WANT YOU TO SAY IT WAS BECAUSE OF COVID OR ALL THESE OTHER ARGUMENTS THAT WE MADE TO THE JUDGE, BECAUSE THE COURT DEPARTMENT BELIEVE IT, AND THE COURT RULED AGAINST THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. SO, SPECIFICALLY, WHAT WE PAID OUT, ARE WE CONCERNED ABOUT CURRENT VENDORS RIGHT NOW, AND OUR STANDING WITH PEOPLE THAT PROVIDE PRODUCTS AND SERVICES TO THE CITY, AND NUMBER THREE, WHAT ARE THE LESSONS LEARNED FROM IT? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, YOUR FIRST QUESTION ON COST, WE WILL HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU. WE WEREN'T PREPARED FOR THAT QUESTION TODAY. WE DIDN'T HAVE IT IN ADVANCE. WE DO NOT HAVE THE LEGAL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE LAWSUIT. THAT'S NUMBER ONE. >> Pres. Lewis: THAT'S FINE. IF YOU ARE NOT PREPARED FOR ANY OF THESE FLEE QUESTIONS, THAT'S FINE. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO ANSWER AS BEST YOU CAN. AND IF IT REQUIRES A FULL REPORT TO THE COUNCIL, WITH DETAILS, I WOULD REAL COME YOU ALL TO DO THAT, AS WELL. >> I AM PREPARED FOR THE OTHER TWO QUESTIONS. CONCERN WITH OTHER VENDORS, NO. WE ARE NOT CONCERNED. WE HAVE STANDARD LANGUAGE IN OUR CONTRACT. WE HAVE APPROPRIATION LANGUAGE THAT MANY ALLOWS US TO CANCEL A CONTRACT IF APPROPRIATIONS ARE NOT MADE BY THIS BODY. AND SPECIFICALLY, WE HAVE A CLAUSE THAT WAS EX-ER SEEINGSED. CLEARLY IT WAS IN THAT C CLEARLY WE THOUGHT WE COULD EXERCISE THAT CANCELLATION CLAUSE FOR CONVENIENCE. THE COURTS, AS WE KNOW, AND AS YOU SAID, RULED AGAINST THAT. SO I CAN ANSWER BOTH OF THE SECOND QUESTIONS THIS WAY. SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO BE USE THAT CANCELLATION CLAUSE. WE ARE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT ANY OTHER CONTRACTS WE HAVE WITH VENDORS THAT HAVE THAT CLAUSE IN THERE, BUT WE ARE APPRECIATIVE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GO TO COURT AND HAVE A JUDGE GIVE US GUIDANCE ON HOW WE MIGHT INVOKE OR EXCUSE THAT CLAUSE GOING FORWARD. I DO BELIEVE WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE IT IN OUR CONTRACT, BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE SOME -- WE WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT APPROACH TO HOW WE INVOKE THAT CLAUSE GOING FORWARD. >> Pres. Lewis: YOU SAID YOU WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT APPROACH TO WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS CASE? >> YES. THAT CLAUSE WILL CONTINUE TO BE IN EVERY CONTRACT. AND IF WE HAVE TO -- IF WE GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE WE NEED TO CANCEL FOR CONVENIENCE, WE'LL EVALUATE, WE WILL LOOK AT GUIDANCE THAT HAS BEEN -- >> Pres. Lewis: THE CLAUSE WAS APPLIED IN A WAY THAT WAS UNLAWFUL ACCORDING TO THE COURT, RIGHT, AND SO I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE SAYING YOU WILL CONTINUE TO EXERCISE THE CLAUSE THAT'S IN OUR CONTRACTS, BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO EXERCISE IT THE SAME WAY, BECAUSE IT COST THE CITY OVER A MILLION DOLLARS. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, COUNCILOR. IF WE FIND OUR SELF IN THE SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE TO I INVOKE THAT CLAUSE, WE WILL APPROACH IT DIFFERENTLY BASED ON THIS LAWSUIT, AND THE GUIDANCE THE COURT HAS GIVEN US. >> Pres. Lewis: OKAY, THANK YOU. I THINK THAT'S THE HEART OF IT. AGAIN, THIS COUNCIL, AGAIN, APPROPRIATES MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR FUEL EVERY YEAR, AND PAYS FOR LAWSUITS LIKE, THIS AS WELL. I THINK IT DESERVES A FULL REPORT OF THAT. I MEAN, PRETTY DETAILED, ON HOW THE PROCURE MEANT IS, AND HOW YOU WILL APPROACH THAT DIFFERENTLY. WHAT WERE THE LESSONS LEARNED, AND AGAIN, THE COST. IF I WERE YOU, I WOULD BE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT ANY VEPPED. IF I WAS ANY VENTANA RANCHED HAD IN THE CITY AND PROVIDING PRODUCTS TO THE CITY, I WOULD BE CONCERNED THAT THE CITY WOULD USE THAT CLAUSE IN A WAY THAT WOULD PUT ME OUT OF BUSINESS. LOGICALLY, LOOK AT A LAWSUIT LIKE THIS AND WHAT THE CITY PAID OUT, IF THERE ARE LESSONS LEARNED, IF WE ARE GOING TO LEARN SOMETHING FROM IT, IT HAS TO START THERE. IT HAS TO START WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAVE CONTRACTORS PRETTY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. UNLESS THE CITY DEMONSTRATES THAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY, AND APPROACH THAT IN THE SAME WAY. AND NOT APPROACH IT IN THE SAME WAY THAT LED TO THIS. SO AGAIN, I THINK THAT DESERVES A FULL REPORT. IF NOT, I'M NOT SURE THAT THE IG LOOKS AT THINGS LIKE THIS, BUT I THINK EITHER A THIRD PARTY RESEARCH, SOMETHING HAD THAT WOULD ABLE TO GIVE SOME GUIDANCE TO THE ADMINISTRATION ON, HEY, HERE IS WHAT YOU DID AND HERE IS SOME REAL GOOD BEST PRACTICES THAT CAN KEEP US FROM GETTING INTO THAT SITUATION AGAIN. OTHERWISE, I THINK -- I WOULD BE VERY AFRAID, IF I WAS A VENTANAR THAT WAS BIDDING ON ANY CONTRACT WITH THE CITY, ANYTHING, HEADACHES IS THE CITY GOING TO CUT MY CONTRACT. AM I GOING TO INVEST MILLIONS OF DOLLARS NIECE PRODUCTS AND SERVICES AND THEN THEY DO. THEY GOT IN TROUBLE WITH IT BEFORE, IS IT GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN. AND IF IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN, I THINK WE NEED TO CLEARLY ABLE TO IT. >> COUNCILOR, IF I MAY, WE HAVE PROBABLY EXCUSED THOUSANDS OF CONTRACTS OFFER THE YEAR. THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT HAS BEEN PROBLEMATIC WITH THIS CLAUSE. SO WE HAVE BEEN CAREFUL IN THE PAST. WE DON'T DO THIS VERY OFTEN. AND WE HAVE LEARNED FROM THIS. AGAIN, THE COURT HAS GIVEN US GUIDANCE. WE HAVE LEARNED FROM IT. AND WE ALSO, AS STEWARDS OF TAXPAYER MONEY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR CONTRACTS ARE SET IN A WAY THAT IF WE NEED TO, WE CHANGE DIRECTIONS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE CLEAR WE TAKE OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO THE TAXPAYER MONEY VERY SERIOUSLY, AS YOU ALL DO. I WANT TO PARK THAT OUT THERE. >> Pres. Lewis: AND WE DID HE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO VENTANA TOVENDORS. THEY OFTEN DO A VERY EFFICIENT AND LOW COST, AND THEY GIVE US THE ABILITY ABLE TO TO GET THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE TO THE CITY. AND I WOULD EXPECT THAT WE PUT A HIGH REGARD TO THE PEOPLE THAT PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES AND GOODS. TAKE SOME TIME TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS DID, AND HOW WE CAN DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY. COUNCIL REPORTS, WE WILL GO ON TO COUNCILLOR ROGERS, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. AND COUNCILLOR GROUT. >> Coun. Grout: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE RETIRING ADP FOOTHILLS AREA COMMANDER SEAN. HE IS CIVILIAN CLOTHES THIS EVENING. >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. >> Coun. Grout: GOOD EVENING. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE LAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS. ITS BEEN A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH YOU. MY CONSTITUENTS FEEL SAFE. YOU HAVE BEEN WONDERFUL. YOU HAVE BEEN RESPONSIVE. YOU HAVE HAD SUCH GREAT -- ALL OF YOUR OFFICERS ADMIRE YOU AND RESPECT YOU. AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE MISSED. I WANT TO SHOW YOU ALL, TWO YEARS AGO, FEBRUARY OF 2022, A COUPLE OF PICTURES ON THE SCREEN. IT IS KIND OF HARD TO SEE. THIS IS FEBRUARY OF 2022. ALL OF THOSE MARKS, THIS IS IN MY DISTRICT IN THE FOOTHILLS, AND A LITTLE BIT IN DISTRICT 8, THIS IS WHERE THE ALBUQUERQUE APD FOOTHILLSCOMMAND IS, AND AE MARKS ARE CALLS FOR SERVICE. AND THERE WAS A LOT GOING ON, HE ESPECIALLY ON EAST CENTRAL. COMMANDER GARRETT CAME IN, AND HE WORKED ON IT AND WITH HIS OFFICERS AND SAID, WE WILL GET A HANDLE ON THIS. I WANT TO PUT UP JULY 2024. SAME AREA. LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE. THIS COMMANDER HAS BEEN A WONDERFUL LEADER AND HAS HAD WONDERFUL OFFICERS WORKING FOR HIM. AND WE SEE A DEFERENCE. I GET CALLS ALL THE TIME. I GET TEXTS, I GET E-MAILS, I SEE THEM AT EVENTS AND THEY SAY, WE SEE A DIFFERENCE. I WANT TO THANK YOU. I KNOW THE NEW COMMANDER HAS BIG SHOES TO FILL, AND I THINK HE WILL DO A FINE JOB, BUT WE ARE GOING TO KEEP YOUR NUMBER HANDY SO THAT YOU CAN GIVE HIM ADVICE AS NEEDED. I KNOW THAT YOUR NEXT ASSIGNMENT IS EXCITING, AND I WISH YOU THE VERY BEST. I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE ALL HAVE LOVED WORKING WITH YOU, AND I CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH. SO, THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU EVERYONE. >> Coun. Grout: THANK YOU, COMMANDER, VERY MUCH. AND I WANT TO MOVE ON. I'D ALSO LIKE TO -- YOU KNOW, I TALK A LOT ABOUT BUSES, AND I WANT THEM TO BE A GOOD PUBLIC TRANSIT OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO USE, AND TO GET AROUND, AND TO USE SAFELY. AND I WANT TO SAY THAT I HAVE REALLY SEEN A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS. I KNOW THERE IS STILL A LOT OF WORK TO DO, BUT I HAVE -- I WANT TO THANK THE DIRECTOR, LESLIE KEENER. FOR ALWAYS TAKING MY CALLS AND TEXTS AND BEING RESPONSIVE. I ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE COMMUNICATION. BECAUSE WE GET THOSE E-MAILS AND UPDATES, AND I AM SEEING A DEFERENCE. SEEING THEM CLEAN, THE BUS STORNTION THE SHELTERS. THEY ARE GETTING SPRUCED UP. AND IT IS MAKING A DIFFERENCE. PEOPLE SAY THAT THE BUS SHELTERS WHERE ARE THEY FEEL THE LEAST SAFE, AND I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT, BECAUSE I SEE IT OFTEN GOING UP CENTRAL, OR LOMAS AND LOUISIANA, AND I'M SEEING A DIFFERENCE. THERE IS STILL MUCH WORK TO DO, BUT I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING. AND KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. I THINK IT IS GOING TO BE GREAT HAVING OFFICERS, I THINK THEY ARE THE TRANSIT, AND THEN THE PSA'S, ON THE BUSES. I THINK THAT'S HELPFUL. I THINK PEOPLE ARE FEELING A LITTLE BETTER ABOUT RIDING THE BUSES. TO MAKES ME WARM AND FUZZY WHEN I SEE PEOPLE -- WHEN I KNOW THAT THEY ARE WAITING FOR THOSE BUSES. UNDERNEATH THE SHELTERS, ON THE BENCH, AND WE CAN TELL A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A RIDER AND SOMEONE USING IT IMPROPERLY. SO THANK YOU. AND I CANNOT WAIT FOR THE SIGNS TO BE ALL SPRUCED UP. SOME OF THEM ARE MISSING SOME HARDWARE. SOME OF THEM, YOU CAN'T EVEN READ THEM. I KNOW THAT'S IN THE PROCESS. BUT I HAVE SEEN CHANGES. SO I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND THEN, ON THAT NOTE, TO PARKS AND RESIDENTIAL RE-ENTRY CENTER, AND REC, WE ARE GETTING 28 PARKS THAT ARE GETTING SHADE STRUCTURES, AND I THINK THAT'S WONDERFUL. I WOULD LOVE IT IF YOU WOULD SHARE THE LIST OF PARKS. I KNOW ALL OF OUR COUNSELORS WOULD LOVE TO KNOW THAT, SO THAT WE CAN SHARE WITH OUR CONSTITUENTS, WHEN WE GO OUT AND SEE A NEW STRUCTURE AND WE DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS GOING UP IF WE COULD HAVE THAT COMMUNICATION, I WOULD LIKE THAT. AND THEN FINALLY, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT -- THEY ARE NOT OKAY. WE HAD SOME FROM APD A YEAR AGO. IT IS SERIOUS. TO TAKE A HIGHER ROAD. SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO BITE OUR TONGUE AND SUCK IT UP. AND IT IS NEVER ACCEPTABLE, AS REPRESENTATIVES, AS ELECTED OFFICIALS AND AS REPRESENTATIVES THAT ARE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE CITY, WE HAVE TO ALWAYS TAKE THE HIGHER ROAD. AND I FOR ONE AM VERY SAD ENDED AND DISTURBD IT AND DISAPPOINT THAT HAD IT HAS HAPPENED AGAIN. LAST YEAR, WE HAD A CONVERSATION, IT WAS BEFORE YOU WERE HERE, DOCTOR, BUT OUR PREVIOUS PRESIDENT, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, SAID, IF WE NEED TO, WE WILL CHANGE SOME FUNDING, BECAUSE IT IS NOT OKAY. WE CAN NEVER TALK LIKE THAT. IT IS NOT OKAY. WE HAVE TO BE BETTER THAN THAT. I KNOW OUR COUNSELORS MAY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MR. PRESIDENT. >> Coun. Bassan: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I HAVE A HANDFUL OF QUESTIONS. MAINLY FOR, I THINK, THE ADMINISTRATION. MR. PRESIDENT, WHAT IS THE PORTAL PROGRAM FOR OLD TOWN? PROBABLY BETTER FOR THE ADMINISTRATION. WHAT IS THE PORTAL PROGRAM FOR OLD TOWN? MAYBE I'M PRONOUNCING IT WRONG. >> MR. PRESIDENT, AND COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. I'M HAPPY TO LOOK INTO WHAT THE QUESTION IS REGARDING AND GIVE YOU THAT INFORMATION. >> Coun. Champine: OKAY. >> Pres. Lewis: ANYTHING ELSE, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE? >> Coun. Champine: I THINK IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN WHAT THIS PROGRAM IS, A LOT OF PEOPLE -- >> THIS WAS A RESOLUTION BEFORE THE COUNSEL. I FORGET EXACTLY WHEN. BUT PORE TELL MANAGERS TO MANAGE ALL THE VENDORS ON THE SIDEWALK. HE HASN'T BEEN REPLACED. I HAVE A MEETING WITH DR. SANCHEZ COMING UP ON THIS PARTICULAR SUBJECT. BUT QUITE A FEW VENDORS HAVE BEEN CONCERNED THAT THAT POSITION HASN'T BEEN FILLED, AND THE CONFLICTS THAT HAVE RISEN BECAUSE OF THAT. >> Coun. Champine: THANK YOU. MR. PRESIDENT, ONE FOLLOW-UP QUESTION FROM LAST MEETING ABOUT THE CHIEF'S VEHICLE. THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE ADVISING THE PROGRESS OR THE PROCESS OF WHEN HE WRECKED OUT HIS TRUCK AND THEN WAS GIVEN A POOL CAR ACCIDENT AN EXPLORER, AND THEN WHAT WAS SENT TO ME IS A FORD EXPEDITION WAS GIVEN TO HIM FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, UNTIL HIS VEHICLE COULD BE, I GUESS WHAT THEY HAD SAID, WOULD BE AVAILABLE, BEFORE HIS NEW ONE COULD BECOME AVAILABLE. IS THAT TRUE, HE WAS DRIVING AROUND IN AN EXPEDITION ALREADY BEFORE THE NEW ONE CAME? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, HE WAS BORROWING A VEHICLE THAT WAS NOT IN USE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME WHILE WE WERE WAITING FOR THE TRANSFER OF AN INDIVIDUAL INTO POSITION. SO THAT VEHICLE, AND I WILL TELL YOU, L I RODE IN THAT VEHICLE YESTERDAY, IT HAS SOME INTERESTING ELECTRICAL, AND I'M PRETTY SURE IT DIDN'T HAVE ANY AIR CONDITIONING, BEHAVES PRETTY HOT BY THE TIME I GOT THERE, AND IT WAS A FEW BLOCKS. BUT IT WAS A BORROWED VEHICLE THAT WAS THEN PUT BACK IN TO SOMEONE'S USE. >> Coun. Champine: SO SOMEONE ELSE IS DRIVING A CAR WITHOUT AIR CONDITIONING? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, HE SAID THE AIR CONDITIONING WORKED. I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT WAS. PERHAPS I'M THINKING ABOUT THE TEMPERATURES. IT WAS NOT COOL AIR. >> Coun. Champine: IT WAS A WARM DAY. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY THE MAYOR HE'S VEHICLE OR GOVERNMENT VEHICLES DON'T HAVE G PLATES ON THEM, AND THEY HAVE REGULAR LICENSE PLATES? AND I NOTICED THE CHIEF OF POLICE HAD IT, AND HE IS A POLICE OFFICER, AND THE MAYOR'S CAR DOESN'T HAVE IT. >> I CAN LOOK INTO THAT, MR. PRESIDENT, AND COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, AND GET YOU AN ANSWER. >> Coun. Champine: AND THIS GUESS ALONG WITH THE SAME THING, I NOTICE THE MAYOR'S CAR HAS EMERGENCY EQUIPMENT, LIGHTS AND SUCH. IS THERE A REASON BEHIND THAT? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, I'M HAPPY TO FOLLOW-UP. >> Coun. Champine: OKAY. AND AGAIN, THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT -- BUT THERE IS A WORD, MO, SPRAY PAINTED ON ONE OF THE -- IS MO GOING TO BE LEAVING ANY TIME SOON? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT AND COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, YES. AS SOON AS WE SAW THAT GRAFFITI ON THAT SHADE STRUCTURE, OUR GENERAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT REACHED OUT. WELL, FIRST, THEY TRIED TO CLEAN IT, COVER IT UP, AND IT DIDN'T GO WELL. AND THEN THEY IMMEDIATELY REACHED OUT TO RADAR AWNING,LOCAL VENDOR, BEEN AROUNR YEARS, TO FABRICATE ANOTHER ONE. WE THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE OUT HERE LAST WEEK, BUT THEY HAD A STAFFING ISSUE, SO ANY DAY, WITHIN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS. BUT, YES, THAT MO WILL BE GOFNLT AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO SCRAP THAT SHADE JUST YET. WE ARE GOING TO TAKE IT DOWN, AND ONCE IT IS DOWN, WE WILL CLEAN IT ON THE GROUND, AND THEN WE MIGHT HAVE A SPARE OTHER BACK UP, IF WE NEED IT. >> Coun. Champine: ONE FINAL QUESTION. MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER, BEING THE TOP 69 CHAIN OF CAN COMMAND, BUT ARE THE CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES OF THE APD HELD TO THE SAME VALUES ON THE CORE WEBSITE OF APD, INTEGRITY, RESPECT -- >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE ABSOLUTELY. I BELIEVE THAT ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES WITHIN APD ARE HELD TO THE SAME STANDARD. >> Coun. Champine: THANK YOU, NO MORE FURTHER QUESTIONS. >> Pres. Lewis: I APPRECIATE THAT COUNCILOR. I DO HAVE ONE COMMENT ABOUT THAT. THIS IS REFLECTIVE OF THE FACT THAT THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE FUNDINGS PROBLEMS. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T HAVE FUNDING PROBLEMS, AND THERE WAS A TIME THAT IT DID. THERE WAS A TIME WHEN WE WERE SCRAMBLING TO, I WOULDN'T SAY -- WE WERE REALLY WORKING HARD TO TRY TO TAKE FROM EVERY PART OF THE BUDGET, EVERY DOLLAR THAT WE COULD SCRAPE UP, TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE WE HAD ENOUGH POLICE OFFICERS AND THE DEPARTMENT WAS FUNDED, AND FOR THAT MATTER, THE ADMINISTRATION HAD WHAT IS IT NEEDS. I THINK IT IS AN IMPORTANT STATE IN THE ENVIRONMENT RIGHT NOW THAT OUR DEPARTMENT HAS MORE MONEY. I'LL SAY IT LIKE THIS. THIS COUNCIL GIVES APD EVERYTHING IT ASKS FOR, WHETHER IT BE THE UNION, A PD, AND THE ADMINISTRATION, EVERYTHING THEY ASK FOR. IF YOU DISAGREE ABOUT THAT, THEN THE FACT THAT THE CHIEF DRIVES A $100,000 VEHICLE IS PRETTY GOOD EVIDENCE THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS NOT HURTING FOR MONEY. AND I THINK WE ARE JUST IN A DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT RIGHT NOW. EVEN TO THE POINT OF EXCESS. A VERY BLOATED ADMINISTRATION, A VERY BLOATED MAYOR'S OFFICE THAT HAS EVERY RESOURCE IT EVER NEEDS. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO SAY, THAT THAT SHOULD NEVER BE THE EXCUSE FOR NOT GETTING THINGS DONE, NOT SOLVING CRIME IN THE CITY, REDUCING HOMELESSNESS IN THE CITY, AND DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING. WE ARE FULLY FUNDED, AND EVEN MORE. >> Coun. Bassan: MR. PRESIDENT, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION, BUT SINCE THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP, I WILL SAY THAT THERE IS A SAYING. FOOL ME ONCE, SHAME ON YOU, FOOL ME TWICE, SHAME ON ME. AER. Q. AGO, THIS WAS EMBARRASSES THAT THE PO DID WHAT THEY DID AND HERE WE ARE A YEAR LATER, ALLOWING BEHAVIOR LIKE THIS TO CONTINUE, AND ESCALATE. IT IS HARD TO SAY THAT WE SHOULD LEADS BY EXAMPLE IN THE CITY FULL OF CRIME WHEN WE CAN'T EVEN HOLD OUR OWN EMPLOYEES TO THE SAME CORE VALUES THAT APD IS REQUIRING TO FOLLOW BY ALL OF THEIR EMPLOYEES. IT IS TRULY EMBARRASSING. AND I HOPE SOMETHING GETS DONE ABOUT IT THE SECOND TIME. BECAUSE THE FIRST TIME, WE WERE PROMISE THAT HAD SOMETHING WOULD BE DONE ABOUT IT, AND IT WOULDN'T HAPPEN DEFENSOR AND NOW HERE WE ARE. THAT'S MY TWO CENTS ON THAT. BUT MY QUESTION, MR. PRESIDENT, IS ACTUALLY FOR HR. I KNOW THAT WE -- I WAS IN A COMMITTEE MEETING LAST WEEK AND WE HAD LEARNED THAT THERE WERE SOME ISSUES WITH SOME OF THE BACKGROUND CHECKS THAT ARE COMING IN, AND JUST HOW LONG THEY ARE TAKING. WHETHER IT IS FOR, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT IS FOR DIFFERENT EMPLOYMENT, FOR ANY DEPARTMENT, REALLY, IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE, BUT WHY IS IT TAKING TWO OR THREE MONTHS TO GET BACKGROUND CHECKS? I MEAN, AT APS, I DO A FINGERPRINT CHECK FOR GOING INTO MY SCHOOL'S AND IT COMES BACK IN TWO WEEKS. WE ARE LOSING POTENTIAL VALUABLE EMPLOYEES WITH THAT TIME-LINE. >> CERTAINLY, MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILLOR BASSAN. THE DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES. A BACKGROUND CHECK IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO IN ABOUT 24 HOURS. WHEN IT COMES TO FINGERPRINTING, WE ENTER A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT WORLD. WE HAVE PARTS OF OUR ORGANIZATION A WHERE WE CONDUCT FINGERPRINT BACKGROUNDS REGULARLY. THOSE ARE TEACHERS, POLICE OFFICERS, AND THOSE AREAS HAVE THEIR OWN INDEPENDENT RESOURCE. TEACHERS GO THROUGH APS TO GET THE FINGERPRINTING DONE, APS GOES THROUGH THE FBI. BECAUSE OF THE PROFESSIONALS RESTRICTIONS ON THOSE OPTIONS, IT IS NOT SOMETHING WE CAN USE FOR EVERY OTHER EMPLOYEE. SO FOR THE PARTICULAR POSITIONS IN QUESTION, WHICH COME FROM THE OFFICE OF TERM AUDIT, THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO JOBS WE ARE DOING FINGERPRINTING. WE DON'T GENERALLY DO IT FOR EVERY OTHER EMPLOYEE. OUR BACKGROUND CHECKS ARE DONE THROUGH A VENDOR. THEY DO SUPPORT DOING FINGERPRINTING. BUT WHEN WE ASK THEM TO DO IT THEY HAVE TO GO FIND A SUBCONTRACTOR IN THE AREA OF APPLICANT, COMMUNICATE THAT INFORMATION TO THE APPLICANT, THE APPLICANT HAS TO GO AND SUBMIT THEIR FINGERPRINT, AND UNFORTUNATELY, IT HAS BEEN UNRESPONSIVE WHEN WE ASK FOR UPDATES ON WHERE THAT IS. HOWEVER, WE HAVE DISCOVERED OR ASCERTAIN THAT HAD WE CAN PROBABLY USE LOCAL VENDORS, OR AT LEAST NEW MEXICO BASED COMPANIES, THROUGH OUR KEY CARD PROCESS, BECAUSE THESE ARE VERY ISOLATED. WE ARE DOING ONE OR TWO OF THESE A YEAR, AT MOST. SO WE COULD BE ABLE TO FIND LOCAL RESOURCES THAT ARE FAST. IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A CANDIDATE OUTSIDE OF NEW MEXICO, WE WILL STILL HAVE TO FIND A SUB VENDOR IN THE APPLICANT'S AREA AND QUESTION THROUGH THAT PROCESS. SO IT IS HARD TO SAY WHERE THE DELAY EXISTED. SOME OF IT IS INTERNAL. SOME OF THOSE ARE PROCESSES I CAN FIX IN MY DEPARTMENT. SOME OF IT IS WITH THE CONTRACTOR. WE ARE LOOKING FOR ALTERNATIVES. AND THEN THE THIRD FACTOR WE CAN'T CONTROL IS HOW QUICKLY THE APPLICANT RESPONDS. IN THIS PROCESS, WE HAVE SOME APPLICANTS THAT RESPOND WITHIN DAYS, SOME TAKE SEVERAL WEEKS. THAT'S WHERE IT IS. >> Coun. Bassan: MR. PRESIDENT, THE FACT THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT TRUE VIEW IS NOT ALWAYS RESPONSIVE, I AM HOPING THAT WE CAN EVALUATE THE CONDITIONS OF THIS CONTRACT AND NO LONGER USE THEM, IF THAT'S THE CASE. IF THEY ARE NOT RESPONDING TO US, HOW ARE THEY UP HOLDING THEIR END OF THE CONTRACT. THAT'S A HUGE PROBLEM FOR US, WHETHER IT IS ONE OR TWO TIMES A YEAR, THIS POSITION IS VACANT FOR A YEAR AND A HALF, AND NOW WE ARE AT THE POINT, DO WE CHANGE THE ORDINANCE, WHICH SEEMS BACKWARD. SO PERHAPS WE CAN LOOK AT -- I LOVE THE IDEA OF LOOKING AT OTHER VENDORS. I DON'T KNOW IF APS TRULY DOES SUBCONTRACT THEIR PEOPLE TO DO THIS, BECAUSE TRULY, IN TWO WEEKS, I CAN GET MY WHOLE PASS TO BE AN UNSUPERVISED VISITOR AT A SCHOOL. SO TO ME, THERE HAS GOT TO BE A BETTER ALTERNATIVE. WE SHOULDN'T BE WITHOUT, YOU BROUGHT UP THE PERMANENT CITY AUDITOR, BUT I APPRECIATE THE UPDATE. WOULD I LOVE TO HELP HOWEVER I CAN WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO SO WE CAN START REALLY ACTUALLY HIRING PEOPLE. I MEAN IT THE NOT UNHEARD OF. I MEAN, I'M REALLY HOPING WE FINGERPRINT PEOPLE HERE IN ALBUQUERQUE, BUT I'M KIND OF WONDERING HOW THAT WORKS. SO IF WE CAN MAKE SURE TO PROCESS THAT, THAT WOULD BE BENG EFFICIENT. THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE. >> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> Pres. Lewis: COUNCILLOR ROGERS, AND THEN COUNCILLOR SANCHEZ CORONAVIRUS THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. MY QUESTION IS FOR APD. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. ALONG THE LINES OF QUESTIONING FOR OUR PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER IN APD, A YEAR AGO, I WAS IN OEI WORKING WITH THE APD ON THE ROOSEVELT CASE. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT CASE? >> NO, MA'AM, I'M NOT. >> Coun. Bassan: A 15 YEAR OLD AFRICAN-AMERICAN KID KILLED IN A FIRE BY CANISTERS GOING INTO A HOME. RING A BELL? >> YES. >> Coun. Bassan: ITS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME IN MY COMMUNITY, AND EVERYBODY IN APD SHOULD KNOW THIS POSITION. CAN YOU TELL ME YOUR NAME AND POSITION. >> MY NAME IS CODE I, AND I'M THE ACTING COMMANDER FOR TERM AFFAIRS. >> Coun. Bassan: IS GILBERT THE P IS UNDER YOU. >> NO, HE DIRECTLY REPORTS TO THE CHIEF NOW. >> Coun. Bassan: ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY CONSEQUENCES THAT WERE GIVEN FOR LAST YEAR'S INFRACTIONS WITH THE PIO AND TWEET? >> I'M SORRY JUROR NO. 1, COUNCIL PRESIDENT AND COUNCILLOR ROGERS, I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY. AND I DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THAT. >> Coun. Rogers: OKAY, THANK YOU. IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN FIND OUT? WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES FOR THIS BEHAVIOR, IN THIS DEPARTMENT? I KNOW IT IS A PERSONNEL QESM I'M SURE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GETTING READY TO SAY. THE COMMUNITY DESERVES A RESPONSE. I KNOW MY MORE SEASONED COUNCILORS KNOW THAT RULE, AND I'M LEARNING. THE COMMUNITY DESERVES A RESPONSE TO WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN, MOVING FORWARD, WITH THE COMMUNITY INDICATION FROM APD ON SOCIAL MEDIA. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I THINK WE CAN RESPOND MORE APPROPRIATELY, BUT WE CAN'T DISCUSS PERSONNEL MATTERS IN THIS FORUM. >> Coun. Rogers: SO I REPHRASED MY QUESTION TO HOW WE CAN HAVE THE CONVERSATION. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILLOR ROGERS, I THINK THAT WE ALL KNOW THAT A SOCIAL MEDIA ENVIRONMENT IS A DIFFICULT ENVIRONMENT FOR COMMUNICATION. I THINK THAT WE CAN HAVE A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION, OBVIOUSLY, OUTSIDE OF THIS SPACE, IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT STANDARDS RELATED TO PERSONNEL ISSUES IN THAT REGARD. I HAVE READ THE INFORMATION THAT WAS SHARED IN THAT SOCIAL MEDIA ENVIRONMENT. I THINK WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE LOTS OF THINGS STATED IN THESE ENVIRONMENTS THAT ARE NOT TRUE, AND THEY ARE STATEMENTS OF PEOPLE'S OPINIONS. STATED AS FACT, THAT GET POSTED. AND I THINK YOU HAVE A SITUATION IN WHICH YOU HAVE AN EMPLOYEE THAT BELIEVES THAT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO PUSH BACK WHEN THERE ARE THINGS BEING STATE THAT HAD ARE NOT TRUE. AND I THINK IT IS A CHALLENGING ENVIRONMENT FOR US TO BE HAVING DEBATE ON A SOCIAL MEDIA ENVIRONMENT, AND IN THIS SITUATION, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE PERSONALITIES BEHIND THESE ISSUES, THERE ARE ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT, ARE FORMER ELECTED OFFICIALS, THEY ARE FORMER -- THEY ARE INDIVIDUALS GAINED IN THIS SITUATION. AND I THINK WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT SOCIAL MEDIA DEBATES ARE NEVER PRODUCTIVE, AND THEY ARE ALSO RARELY FACTUAL. SO I DON'T HAVE A STATEMENT ABOUT A PERSONNEL MATTER TO BE MADE HERE, AND I WON'T DISCUSS THAT PORTION OF IT, BUT I ALSO AM NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND IMPLY THAT THIS WAS A ONE SIDED DISCUSSION, THAT THERE WAS ONLY ONE INDIVIDUAL INVOLVED, AND THAT WAS THE ONLY PERSON INVOLVED WORKS SHORT CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. I THINK WE HAD A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS GAINED, AND I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF MISINFORMATION, AND I'M NOT JUSTIFYING IT BY ANY MEANS. I'M NOT STATING THAT ANYONE IS RIGHT. I'M NOT SAYING ANY OF THOSE THINGS. I THINK THAT PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT IMPLY THAT ONE INDIVIDUAL WAS WRONG, IN THIS CASE, IS MISGUIDED AND I THINK WE ALL NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE MULTIPLE INDIVIDUALS ENGAGED. >> Coun. Rogers: THANK YOU, 34R7, TO FOLLOW-UP, I DON'T THINK WE ARE TAWCT I GO ABOUT FACT CHECKING AND CORRECT BEING THE RECORD. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TWEETS THAT ARE BULLYING, THAT ARE DISRESPECTFUL THAT, ARE RUDE, THAT ARE CONDESCENDING MUCH THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. THE SPIRIT OF THE VALUES THAT MY COLLEAGUE COUNCILOR CHAMPINE MENTIONED ARE NOT REFLECTED IN THE TWEETS THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. SO MAYBE WE NEED TO BE SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT TWEETS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AND GET SOME SCREEN SHOTS AND TALK ABOUT IT. I AGREE WITH COUNCILLOR GROUT, IT IS EMBARRASSING. GETTING CALLS FROM CONSTITUENTS ABOUT IT, WHAT DO I EVEN SAY? AND IT HEAR THAT WE DON'T HAVE -- WHAT THE DIRECTOR FROM THE ADMINISTRATION, IS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR, IS LEADERSHIP. THIS IS HOW WE ARE TO ACT. THAT'S WHAT I'M EXPECTING, IS LEADERSHIP. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. >> Pres. Lewis: COUNCILLOR SANCHEZ. >> Coun. Sanchez: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. MY QUESTION IS BASICALLY TO THE CO, AS WELL. TWO WEEKS AGO, THERE WERE THREE HOMICIDES WITHIN A MILE OF THE MAYOR'S HOUSE. WE HAVE HAD 20 HOMICIDES IN THE LAST 18 DAYS. WHAT DO YOU THINK ANY PREVIOUS MAYOR WOULD HAVE DONE IN THIS SITUATION IN AND I'M NOT ASKING THE OFFICERS, I'M ASKING YOU, BECAUSE YOU'RE THE DIRECT MAYOR'S REPRESENTATIVE. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILLOR SANCHEZ, I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER MAYORS WOULD DO. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GO BACK AND PREDICT OR KNOW THAT. >> Coun. Sanchez: OKAY. THIS CITY IS OVERRUN BY DRUG DEALING. SINCE YOU'RE THE CAO, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILLOR SANCHEZ, I THINK WE ALL KNOW QUESTIONS RELATED TO PUBLIC FIGHT BACK CRIMES ARE APPROPRIATE FOR APD TO BE RESPONDING TO. WE HAVE A COMMANDER AND DEPUTY CHEER HERE THAT ARE HAPPY TO SPEAK TO EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NEW IN OUR CITY RELATE THE TO CRIME FIGHTING AND SPECIFICALLY THE CASES THAT I'M SURE YOU'RE REFERENCING IN YOUR COMMENTS. SO FOR ME TO SPEAK ABOUT WHAT WE DO TO FIGHT CRIME WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE. I'M NOT A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. I THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE TO HONOR THE EXPERTISE THAT THEY HAVE. I ALSO WILL STATE THAT YOU ALL HAVE APPROPRIATED, MR. PRESIDENT YOU JUST SPOKE TO, WE HAVE A SHARED FOCUS ON ENSURING THAT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS STAFFED AND HAS THE FUNDING THAT THEY NEED TO OPERATE AS THEY ARE STAFFED AT THIS POINT. WE HAVE ALL MADE HUGE COMMITMENTS TO ENSURING THAT THEY HAVE THE RESOURCES TO CONTINUE TO RECRUIT AND CONTINUE TO GROW THE PERSONNEL THAT WE HAVE WE ARE ALL WORKING TOWARDS ENSURING THAT WE HAVE ADDITIONAL OFFICERS. WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS ENSURING THAT WE HAVE ADDITIONAL TECHNOLOGY. WE HAVE MADE SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENTS IN BOTH TECHNOLOGY AND CIVILIAN HIRING TO ENSURE WE HAVE MORE OFFICERS ON THE STREET TO FIGHT CRIME, AND TO BE PART OF THE SOLUTION. I THINK WE ALL HAVE MADE INCREDIBLE STRIDES TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE NOT ONLY AWARE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR CITY, WE ALL SEE IT, EVERY ONE OF US SEATS IT EVERY DAY, AND KNOWS. WE OBVIOUSLY ARE ALSO PAYING ATTENTION TO THE NATIONAL ISSUES, AND THE NATIONAL TRENDS THAT OTHER CITIES OUR SIZE ARE SHARING, AND THE SAME ISSUES, AND WE SHARE THE STATISTICS. WE SHARE WITH OUR K3450U7B9 ALL THE TIME, EXACTLY WHAT THE STATISTICS ARE THERE. WE TRACK THEM AND PAY ATTENTION APPEAR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS MOVING RESOURCES INTO SPACE THAT IS ALLOW US TO BE IN PLACES WHERE THE STATISTICS SHOW US WE NEED TO BE IT. AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE ASK APD TO RESPOND TO THIS QUESTION. BECAUSE I THINK IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT SPECIFIC CASE, YOU JUST NAMED THOSE THREE CASES, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY CAN SPEAK EXACTLY TO WHAT WAS GOING ON. RS. >> Coun. Sanchez: MA'AM, WHAT IS YOUR TITLE AT THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE? >> PRESIDENT LEWIS, COUNCILLOR SANCHEZ, I BELIEVE YOU KNOW MY TITLE. CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER. >> Coun. Sanchez: THANK YOU IT. AND WHERE ARE YOU IN THE HIERARCHY FROM THE MAYOR TO THE POLICE CHIEF, AND WHERE DO YOU FALL IN THAT LINE? >> MR. PRESIDENT AND COUNCILLOR SANCHEZ, THE CHIEF POLICE REPORTS TO ME. >> Coun. Sanchez: THEN, AGAIN, I'LL ASK YOU THAT QUESTION. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE BEING OVERRUN WITH DRUGS, CRIME, QUALITY YOU HAVE LIFE, THE CARTEL STASH HOUSE, CITIZENS DYING PROTECTING THEIR BUSINESS. ONE OF THOSE CITIZENS WAS SOMEBODY I KNOW INTIMATELY. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILLOR SANCHEZ, I HAVE STATED THAT WE ARE ALL WORKING TO SUPPORT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND I AM SITTING IN THIS SEAT TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE SUPPORTING OUR CHIEF OF POLICE AND OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THEIR ABILITY TO FIGHT CRIME. AND THAT IS MY JOB. IT IS TO ENSURE THAT NOT ONLY AS I HAVE SAID MULTIPLE TIMES NOW TO ENSURE WE HAVE THE RESOURCES, THE TECHNOLOGY, THE PERSONNEL, THAT WE ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO THE STATISTICS, THAT WE ARE HE CONNECT TO GO THE INFORMATION MULTIPLE TIMES A, WE AND ENSURING THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO BE RESPONSIVE, AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE ASK APD, WHO IS HERE, TO SPEAK TO EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE DOING RELATED TO THIS. >> Coun. Sanchez: AGAIN, YOU ARE THE CHIEF'S BOSS, SO THE CITIZENS NEED TO KNOW, INSTEAD OF HEARING ALL THIS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE ARE GOING TO HEAR THE SAME THING FROM THE CHIEF OF POLICE. WE ALSO KNOW THAT THE MAYOR HAS THE POLICE CHIEF'S BACK. WHAT I AM ASKING YOU, IS WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO, WHAT PROGRAMS ARE YOU GOING TO IMPLEMENT, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO HOLD THE CHIEF ACCOUNTABLE FOR CHANGING THE FACT THAT WE HAD 20 HOMICIDES IN THE LAST 18 DAYS? AND LOOK AT THIS, TWO WEEKS AGO, THREE OF THOSE HOMICIDES WERE WITHIN ONE MILE OF THE MAYOR'S RESIDENCE. SO AGAIN, WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US, AND TELLING ME, IS NOT CLOSE TO WHAT THE CITIZENS OF ALBUQUERQUE DESERVE IN REFERENCE TO A LAW ENFORCEMENT, THE CAO, AND THE MAYOR'S OFFICE. WE NEED SOMETHING DONE NOW. AGAIN, WE HAVE CRIME ALL OVER THE PLACE. DRUG DEALING, CARTELS RUNNING THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE, CITIZENS DYING TO PROTECT THEIR BUSINESS. IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE PROGRESS TO ME. THANK YOU. >> Pres. Lewis: COUNCILLOR PEÑA. >> Coun. Peña: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I HAVE A QUESTION UNRELATED TO THIS, OTHER THAN I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ABOUT THE TWEERKTS AS WELL, WHEN YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE. ALL OF US AS COUNCILORS, WE GET REALLY NASTY THINGS SENT TO US ALL THE TIMES, AND I JUST THINK THAT IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE TO RESPOND LIKE THAT. I THINK THE LAST TIME WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION, THE CHIEF WAS HERE, AND WE TALKED ABOUT ADDRESSING THAT IN THE FUTURE. SO I JUST HOPE THAT YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT. I REALLY DON'T THINK WHEN SOMEBODY CRITICIZED APD, AND IF IT IS AN AVERAGE CITIZEN, EVEN, CRITICIZES APD, HOW FEARFUL WOULD YOU BE IF THE TWEET CAME BACK AND ATTACKED YOU. IT IS JUST NOT APPROPRIATE. MY QUESTION IS TO THE DIRECTOR OF MD. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE ARCHES A LONG WEST CENTRAL AND THE LIGHT AUGUST CROSS THE RIVER. I KNOW I MENTIONED IT AT A PREVIOUS MEETING THAT, SOME OF THE LIGHT SOMETHING OUT, AND SOME OF THE BULBS, LIKE EVERY OTHER WELL BE, IS MISSING. -- EVERY OTHER BULB IS MISSING. I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT'S HAPPENING. I MENTIONED THIS ABOUT SIX, EIGHT MONTHS AGO. AND I DID TALK ABOUT THE ARCHES THAT ARE OUT. I'M SAYING THIS BECAUSE WHEN WE DO GET ON THIS PROJECT, IN TERMS OF THINGS BEING OUT ON THE ARCHES, IT TAKES TIME FOR THE EQUIPMENT AND PARTS TO COME IN, AND AS YOU KNOW, THE HISTORIC ROUTE 66, THE 100 YEAR CELEBRATION IS COMING UPON US VERY QUICKLY AND I WOULD REALLY LOVE FOR THOSE THINGS TO BE REPAIRED. AND THEN IN ADDITION TO, THAT I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING A TEAM DEDICATED TO WEST CENTRAL, IN TERMS OF CLEAN UP, ADDRESSING THE FACT THAT THERE ARE TREES THAT -- WHEN WE DID THE ART PROJECT, WE WERE INSTALL, I DON'T KNOW, X AMOUNT OF TREES, AND OVER THE YEARS, WE HAVE HAD THOSE TREES GET EITHER NOTHINGED DOWN OR DIE. AND I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY GET FOCUSED ON REPLACING THOSE. AND INSTALLING NEW ONES. AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE LIGHTING ON CENTRAL, SOME OF THOSE CANS ARE MOVING. THE THEORY OF A BROKEN WINDOW, I THINK WE NEED TO GET GOING AND CLEAN UP THOSE THINGS. SO I DON'T NECESSARILY NEED AN ANSWER NOW. I JUST HOPE THAT NEXT MEETING WE CAN COME BARKS OR SEND ME AN E-MAIL, AND SEND IT TO ALL THE COUNSELORS. BUT I REALLY THAT I QUESTION NEED TO GET ON THIS VERY QUICKLY, AND SWIFTLY, BECAUSE NOT JUST BECAUSE OF THE 100TH YEAR ANNIVERSARY, BUT I THINK THAT CENTRAL IS THE MAIN THOREAU FAIR FROM OUR CITY FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER, AND WHEN IT IS IN DISREPAIR, IT LOOKS BAD. AND THEN MY FINAL QUESTION WAS, I KNOW THAT THERE IS GRANT MONEY FOR BROKEN WINDOWS, I KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF INVESTMENT DOWNTOWN, WHICH IS REALLY COOL. IF YOU LOOK AT OUR BUDGET HISTORICALLY, DOWNTOWN AND COUNCILLOR BACA'S DISTRICT USUALLY GETS A LARGER PERCENTAGE OF THE CIP BUDGET. AND THEN WE ARE INVESTING MORE IN OUR DOWNTOWN. I JUST REALLY WANT TO EMPHASIZE, BETWEEN, THAT INVESTING SOME OF THOSE CAPITAL DOLLARS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE STRETCH IS REALLY IMPORTANT, BECAUSE WHEN WE HAVE THE HEART OF OUR CITY LOOK LIKE A GEM, AND THEN THE MAIN THOREAU FAIRS TO GET THERE TONIGHT LOOK LIKE, THAT I THINK IT DEFEATS THE PURPOSE. SO I HOPE TO GET SOME RESPONSES ON THAT. THANK YOU: >> Pres. Lewis: WE WILL GO BRIEFLY BACK TO PROCLAMATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS. THERE IS ONE MORE FROM OUR STAFF. I WILL HAVE KENDRA JACKSON COME UP AND GIVE THIS PRESENTATION ON THE GATEWAY CENTER. >> GOOD EVENING COUNCIL PRESIDENT LEWIS AND CITY COUNCILORS. AS MOST OF YOU, IF NOT ALL OF YOU KNOW, MY NAME IS KENDRA JACKSON AND I'M THE ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR FOR PROGRAM EVALUATIONS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL. SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS PRESENTATION IS TO PROVIDE YOU ALL WITH A BRIEF, EMPHASIS ON BRIEF, UPDATE ON THE CONSTRUCTION TIME-LINE, THE FUNDING, AND THE CURRENT TEANTS AT THE GATEWAY. THE BASIS OF THIS INFORMATION WAS THE STUDY SESSION GIVEN TO YOU ALL AT THE END OF LAST YEAR ON NOVEMBER 13TH, AND DECEMBER 6th, OF LAST YEAR. I REVIEWED THOSE STUDY SESSIONS AND I ASKED THE ADMINISTRATION TO PROVIDE UPDATES ON CONSTRUCTION TIME LINES, FUNDING, AND CURRENT TENANTS. ALL RIGHT, THIS IS THE STATUS OF THE CAPITAL PROJECT. THE HOUSING NAVIGATION IN THE SECOND FLOOR, AND THE RECEIVING AREA, HAVE BEEN COMPLETED. THE OUTDOOR AREA WAS ORIGINALLY SET TO BE COMPLETED THIS SUMMER, AND THE NEW COMPLETION DATE SEVERAL I 2025. THE MEDICAL SOBERING UNIT WAS SET TO BE COMPLETED IN THE FALL OF 2024, AND IS NOW EXPECTED TO BE COMPLETED AT THE END OF 2024. THE MEDICAL RESPITE WAS SET TO BE COMPLETED IN WINTER OF 2024, ANDIS NOW SET TO BE COMPLN EARLY '05. THE HOUSING NAVIGATION ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND THE HOUSING NAVIGATION ON THE SECOND FLOOR EXPANSION WERE SET TO BE COMPLETED IN THE WINTER OF 2024, AND THEY ARE NOW SET TO BE COMPLETED IN MID 2025. AS FAR AS FUNDING GOES, THE HOUSING NAVIGATION L FIRST FLOOR IS NOT FULLY FUNDED. AT THE TIME OF THE STUDY SESSION LAST YEAR, THE ADMINISTRATION ANTICIPATED IT WOULD NEED $300,000 TO COMPLETE IT. THEY NOW ESTIMATE THAT FUNDING NEED IS $3 MILLION, AND THEY HAVE STATE THAT HAD THIS WAS DUE TO INCREASING CONSTRUCTION COSTS. THE HOUSING NAVIGATION SECOND FLOOR EXPANSION IS ALSO NOT FULLY FUNDED. BUT $3 MILLION FROM THE COUNTY HAS BEEN SECURED, AND $3.5 MILLION HAS BEEN APPROPRIATED FROM THE BOND CLOSE OUT IN 04-2410. THE ADMINISTRATION SAID THE FULL FUNDING NEED SUN KNOWN, BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL IN THE DESIGN PHASE. SO FOR SERVICES THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING PROVIDED BY THE PREEXISTING TENANTS, AND THOSE ARE TENANTS THAT WERE THERE BEFORE THE CITY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, WE HAVE AMG SPECIALTY HOSPITAL. THEY ARE A POST ACUTE SPECIALTY HOSPITAL, AND THEY HAVE 46 BEDS. L THEY JUST EXPANDED FROM 25. BEHAVIORAL HEALTH, THEY DO INPATIENT AND OUT PATIENT CARE, THEY THEY HAVE 48 BEDS. TURQUOISE LODGE, AN ADULT DETOX, THEY HAVE 48 BEDS, AND ZIA COMMUNITY BEDS HAVE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICE, THEY HAVE NO BEDS, BECAUSE THEY ARE ENTIRELY OUT PATIENT. ALL RIGHT, THESE ARE SERVICE THAT IS ARE PROVIDED BY NEW TEANTS. THE HEADING HOME PROVIDING HOUSING CASE MANAGEMENT. NATIONAL ALY APPEARS FOR MENTAL ILLNESS PROVIDES SUPPORT GROUPS AND TRAINING ON DEESCALATION. THEY HAVE ALSO DONE 150 PRESENTATIONS TO LAW ENFORCEMENT FROM CLIENTS LIVING WITH MENTAL ILLNESS. VISION PROVIDING FINANCIAL LITERACY STRANGE AND HELPS WITH JOB PLACEMENT, AMONG OTHER THINGS. APS VIOLENCE INTERVENTION PROGRAM AND TRAUMA RECOVERY CENTER PROVIDES SERVICES FOR VICTIMS OF VIOLENT CRIME. AND FINALLY, WE HAVE THE HOMELESS SERVICES THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING PROVIDED AT THE GATEWAY TODAY. THE HOUSING NAVIGATION CENTER CURRENTLY HAS 50 BEDS. THIS IS FROM THE OPENING UNTIL AUGUST 1st, THEY HAVE PROVIDED SHELTER TO 472 GUESTS AND THEY HAVE SEEN A TOTAL OF 87 PEOPLE EXIT INTO A HOUSING OPTION. THE FIRST RESPONDER AREA HAS UP TO TEN BEDS A NIGHT, AND HAS SERVED 44 DPES SINCE OPENING ON JUNE 17, TO AUGUST 1st. AIM STATING THAT TIMEFRAME, BALLS THAT'S WHEN THEY OPENED IN AUGUST 1st, AND THAT'S WHEN I RECEIVED THE UPDATES FROM THE ADMINISTRATION. SO I'M SURE THEY HAVE SEEN MORE THAN INDIVIDUALS SINCE I'VE GOTTEN THAT UPDATE. AND FINALLY, THE EMERGENCY WINTER SHELTER IT NOT OPEN AT THAT TIME, BUT I AM TOLD THAT THEY EXPECT 35 BEDS TO BE OPEN AT THAT TIME. SO THERE ARE CURRENT RERIGHT NOW, TODAY, 60 OVERNIGHT BEDS AVAILABLE FOR HOMELESS SERVICES AT THE GATEWAY. AND THAT IS THE END OF THE PRESENTATION. I AM HAPPY TO STAND FOR QUESTION IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY. >> Pres. Lewis: THANK YOU. COUNCILORS, ARE BRIEFLY, ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE? ANY DISCUSSION? I MEAN, THAT'S RICH, AND I KNOW YOU SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON TESTIMONY IT IS I KNOW CREDIT TOIBL HAVE THAT KIND OF RESOURCE IN OUR COUNSEL OFFICE, TO HAVE A DISTINCT AND DETAILED PRESENTATION LIKE THAT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL REPORTS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR KENDRA? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. >> MR. PRESIDENT, I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE AUGUST 19th JOURNAL. >> SECOND. >> Pres. Lewis: THAT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR ROGERS. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY YES. ALL OPPOSED? THAT PASSES 9-0, MADAM CLERK. COUNCILORS, ANY CHANGES TO THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION? >> MR. PRESIDENT, I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION. >> Pres. Lewis: ITS BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR BASSAN. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY YES. ALL OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES. COUNCIL, I NEED APPROVAL OF WITHDRAWALS AT THIS TIME. NONE. LET'S GO TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. ANY CHANGES TO THE CONSENT CONS? WE WANT TO THANK ALL THOSE WILLING TO SERVE, APPRECIATE YOU ALL. COUNCILLOR GROUT. >> Coun. Grout: MR. PRESIDENT, I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. DOIL ITS BEEN MOVED ON SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR BACA. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY YES. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. I WILL GO TO ANNOUNCEMENTS. >> Coun. Sanchez: THAT R THERE WILL BE A FINANCIAL GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS COMMITTEE MEETING ON MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 9th, AT 5:00 O CONFERENCING. >> Coun. Bassan: THERE WILL BE UNIVERSITY GOVERNMENTAL RELATIONS COMMITTEE ON WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 11TH, VIA A ZOOM, AND THE HAND USE PLANNING ZONING AND COMMITTING COMT MEETINGS ON SEPTEMBER 11TH 1 SCAN SELD. >> Pres. Lewis: FINANCIAL INSTRUMENTS IS R-75. >> Coun. Rogers: RELATING TO THE APPROVAL OF A REDEVELOPMENT TAX ABATEMENT ON THE PARK CENTRAL APARTMENTS FOR CURRENTLY THE SAN MATEO TOWERS. DEVELOPED BY ROUTE 66 HAD MULTI-FAMILY. THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS A COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL CONVERSION THAT WILL CREATE ABOUT 101 NEW HOUSING UNITS. AND EVERYTHING FROM AFFORDABLE TO MARKET RATE. I MOVE FOR A DO PASS. >> Pres. Lewis: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? >> YES, MR. PRESIDENT. IF I MAY, I'LL MAKE A BRIEF ANOINTS CONCERNING INTERPRETATIONS FOR TONIGHT. ENGLISH AND SPANISH SIMULTANEOUS INTERPRETATION IS AVAILABLE ON THE ZOOM PLATFORM TONIGHT. YOU CAN CLICK ON THE GLOBE, EITHER THE TOOL BAR OR MENU OPTION, ON CHOOSE YOUR LANGUAGE PREFERENCE. COMMENTS IN SPANISH WILL BE INTERPRETED SIMULTANEOUSLY IF PROVIDED ON ZOOM, BUT IF THE COMMENTER IS IN PERSON, THE INTERPRETATION WILL HAVE TO CON-SECOND AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU. OUR FIRST SPEAKER SRM LISA CHRISTOPHER SON, FOLLOWED BY NICHOLAS. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS LISA CHRISTOPHERSON, SPEAKING ON HOUSING. I LIVE IN DISTRICT 6. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT SYSTEMATIC PROCESSES IN ALBUQUERQUE THAT ADVERSELY IMPACT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSE. I'M VERY EXCITED THAT THE CITY IS THINKING ABOUT PURCHASING MULTIPLE PROPERTIES. BUT THERE ARE PROCESSES THAT THE ALBUQUERQUE CITY COUNCIL VERY WELL COULD REMEDY AS OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE. SO A THIRD OF THE HOUSEHOLDS IN ALBUQUERQUE, AND THIS IS A STA THAT IS NATIONWIDE, A THIRD OF OUR PEOPLE ARE RENTING AND HALF OF THESE HOUSEHOLDS ARE SPENDING 30 TO 40 PERCENT OF MONTHLY INCOME FOR HOUSING. OF IT IS NOT A LACK OF HOUSE THAT IS THE ISSUE IN ALBUQUERQUE, THERE ARE PLENTY OF EMPTY HOUSES IN ALBUQUERQUE, AND NATIONWIDE, IT IS SHORT-TERM HOUSING. I'M WONDERING IF YOU ALL HAVE TAKEN A LOOK AT ABQ REVISIT AS A SOURCE OF POSITIVE POTENTIAL LONG-TERM HOUSING, A AIR B AND N, ALL CONTRIBUTE BECAUSE THEY REDUCE THE SUPPLY OF LONG-TERM RENTALS. AND TWHING I'M ASKING IF YOU ALL COULD POSSIBLY, SOMEBODY, INVESTIGATE, LOOK INTO, THE OVER INFLATED RENTAL PRICES. THE LAST TIME I BROUGHT THIS TO YOU ALL AND SAID THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR THE STATE OF ARIZONA, THEY ARE INVESTIGATING REAL PAGES, WHICH IS A SOFTWARE PLATFORM THAT OVER INFLATES PRICES. IT IS USED IN ALBUQUERQUE BY REALTORS HERE. SO WHAT CAN BE DONE TO SOMEHOW GET THE FBI TO INCLUDE ALBUQUERQUE THAT INVESTIGATION, BECAUSE THE GENTRY IF I INDICATION, THE RED LINING, THE DISCRIMINATION THAT COMES WITH A SOFTWARE THAT SAYS THIS MUCH IS HOW MUCH IT IS ON THIS SIDE, AND IT COSTS THIS MUCH ON THAT SIDE, $1800 FOR A TWO BEDROOM HOUSE ON MY SIDE OF TOWN IS ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS. SO I WOULD ASK IF YOU ALL WOULD PLEASE CONSIDER LOOKING AT WAYS TO MAKE HOUSING AFFORDABLE. >> NICHOLAS: GOOD EVENING COUNCILORS. EXCUSE ME, I JUST RAN IN BY A MERE FEW SECONDS, IT SEEMS. BUT I'M SPEAKING TONIGHT IN HOPES TO ILLUSTRATE THE CULTURE OF POSSIBILITY, THE POTENTIAL, YOU MAY NOT ALREADY KNOW IS HAPPENING IN THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT. FIRST, I SPEAK AS A CITIZEN WHO REGULARLY COMES FROM OUTSIDE THE DISTRICT TO VISIT FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS. OVER THE LAST YEAR, I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN SOME NONPROFIT RESOURCE AND EMERGENCY FOOD IN THE AREA. NOW, THE NARRATIVE OF CONCERNS WHEN IT COMES TO LOCAL PROSPERITY FOCUSES LARGELY ON THE CLOSING OF WAL-MART, WALGREEN'S, AND CVS IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, PLACES TO GET FOOD AND HOUSEHOLD ITEMS. COULD HE INCIDENTALLY, THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT LIBRARY OPENED. SEVERAL SHORT-TERM AGENCIES HAVE PARTNERED WITH THE SITE TO BECOME THE LIBRARY A SUDDEN BEACON OF HOPE. THERE ARE AROUND 30,000 RESIDENTS IN THE AREA OF THE LIBRARY, ALL OF WHOM CANNOT EQUALLY ACCESS FOOD. THE LIBRARY RIGHT NOW OFFERS REGULAR PUBLIC EVENTS HOSTING RESOURCE PARTNERS LIKE ROADRUNNER FOOD BANK, PRESBYTERIAN HEALTH CARE, BERN. >> CO, THE DEPARTMENT OF SENIOR AFFAIRS, TO NAME A FIEW. AND DID YOU KNOW THAT AT THE LIBRARY, THERE IS ALSO NOW A CYST BIEWTION OF EMERGENCY FOOD OPEN TO THE PUBLIC EVERY FRIDAY AT 10:00. AT 10:00 IN THE MORNING, PEOPLE CAN, IF THEY HAVEN'T EATEN IN TWO DAYS, GET FOOD. NO STRINGS ATA.D AND AS OF AUGUST OF THIS YEAR, THIS PARTICULAR WEEKLY DISTRIBUTION SERVES UP TO 150 COMMUNITY MEMBERS, MOST OF WHOM WHO ARE PICKING UP FOR A LOVED ONE, IN ADDITION FOR THEMSELVES. WE ALSO PROVIDE IMMEDIATE SNAP ASSISTANTS TO A COUPLE OF APPLICATION THAT IS COULD OTHERWISE SIT THERE, AND UP TO 50 PEOPLE EACH MONTH CONNECT TO JOBS AND INTERVIEWS THROUGH THE GOOD WILL PROGRAM. >> Pres. Lewis: THANK YOU, SIR. >> NOW, MY POINT IS THAT THESE KIND OF WRAP AROUND SERVICES. >> Pres. Lewis: YOUR TIME IS UP. >> IS WHAT WE NEED. >> Pres. Lewis: WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT COMMENTS ARE GERMANE TO THE BILL. THIS IS R-76. >> MY POINT, I WAS GOING TO SAY, WE HELP THIS BUILDING, THIS TOWER, ON SAN MATEO, AND MAKE IT BE THE GATEWAY OF HOPE THAT IT IS MEANT TO BE BY OFFERING PLACES THAT ARE LIKE PILLARS AND WE CAN HAVE AGENCIES, LIKE PARTNERS LIKER THESE PARTNERSHIPS, THEY COME IN AND PROVIDED IMMEDIATE ASSISTANCE. >> Pres. Lewis: I APPRECIATE T YOU CAN SIGN UP FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, TOO, BUT WE WANT TO KEEP IT GERMANE TO THE BILL. THANKS. >> IAN: GOODS EVENING. COUPLE. PLEASE APPROVE THIS ITEM AND THE TWOAR HOUSING ITEMS ALSO ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. THE FIRST ONE ADDRESSES THAT THIS COUNSEL HAD AN A OPPORTUNITY TO FAST TRACK THE APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT 16 DAYS AGO, AND I JUST WANT TO CONTEXT LYZE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. WHEN WE DELAY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BY 16 DAYS, THAT MEANS SOMEBODY MIGHT BE SLEEPING ON THE STREET FOR 16 MORE KNEES NIETSZ. SOMEBODY MIGHT BE SLEEPING IN A CAR OR COUCH SURFING, BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO BE. SOMEBODY MIGHT BE SKIPPING MEETS, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN, DO I PAY THE RENT OR MAKE OTHER TESTIMONY REDECISIONS. THAT CONTEXT NEEDS TO BE HERE, AND THAT'S WHY WE CAN'T DELAY THIS FURTHER, SO PLEASE VOTE ON IT TODAY AND DON'T DISCUSSION ADJUST PUSH IT BACK. AND I ALSO WANT TO RECOGNIZE AT THE LAST MEETING AND THROUGH THE COUNSEL DISCUSSION, IT WAS SAID THAT THESE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE AFFORDABLE PUT A BURDEN ON COMMUNITIES, AND I DID SOME DIGGING ON THE INTERNET, I WENT IT THROUGH SO MANY PAGES AND REPORTS, AND JUST DEPARTMENT SEE THAT VERIFIED BY STUDIES CONDUCTED. ALMOST ALL THE STUDIES SO THAT THERE IS NO STATISTICALLY IMPACT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON CRIME RATES OR PROPERTY VALUES AND I FOUND A FEW STUDIES FROMS OF STANL FORD, UC IRVINE, THAT CRIME RATES WENT DOWN AND PROPERTY RATES WENT UP WHEN WE BUILT AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS. PLEASE VOTE YES ON THIS ITEM AND THE OTHER TWO TODAY. THANK YOU, COUNCIL. >> THAT CONCLUDESES COMMENT. >> Pres. Lewis: BACK BE ON THE IMIL. >> Coun. Sanchez: MR. PRESIDENT, I'M FOR THIS KIND OF A PROJECT. THE ONLY THING THAT WORRIES ME, BEING A LONG TIME LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, AND THEN NOW HAVING A BUSINESS RIGHT NEXT TO ANOTHER SAFE HOUSING FACILITY, JUST ON MONDAY, WE HAD A STABBING THERE, AND I DON'T SEE ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT. NO POLICE OFFICERS IN THE AREA. AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE RESIDENTS ARE WALK AUGUST WAY AND LEAVING THESE HOUSES VACANT. I'M TALKING ABOUT NEAR CENTRAL. IT IS REALLY DISCOURAGING. IF THIS IS NOT HANDLED PROPERLY AND HANDLED WITH CARE IN REFERENCE TO MOVING FORWARD, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF RESIDENTS, AND WE ARE TALKING A FACILITY THAT IS IN ONE SPACE. ONE SPACE FACET LIKE THIS IS GOING -- FACILITY LIKE THIS IS GOING TO MAKE IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR FIRE RESPONSE, RESCUE RESPONSE, WHEN WE NEED IT. IT MAY BE ALL FINE AND DADDY FIRST THREE OR FOUR YEARS, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR 20 SOME YEARS, LIKE I SEE ON 60TH AND CENTRAL, WHERE NOW WE HAVE RENOVATED THAT, SINCE I'VE KNOWN ABOUT IT, AND IT IS IN REALLY NICE SHAPE RIGHT NOW, BUT BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF CRIME IN THE AREA, AND THE AMOUNT OF DRUG DEALING, AND THE HUMAN TRAFFICKING THAT'S GOING ON, I'M SEEING A VERY, VERY, VERY SIGNIFICANT WANT AMOUNT OF CRIME AND PEOPLE MOVING AWAY FROM THE AREA. SO IT NEEDS TO BE DONE CORRECTLY. IT NEEDS TO HAVE SECURITY. IT NEEDS TO HAVE INDIVIDUALS KEEP AN EYE ON IT. AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE PLAN IS. AN AREA LIKE THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO NEED AT LEAST 20 SECURITY OFFICERS, FOR THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THERE. WE ARE ALSO IN A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE A FOOD DESERT IN THAT AREA. WHERE THERE IS NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE. THAT AREA IS THE RIGHT NOW OVERRIDDEN WITH CRIME AND DRUG ISSUES. RIGHT NOW. AND I JUST HOPE THESE ISSUES DON'T MAKE THE WAY FROM THE STREET TO BEHIND CLOSED DOORS IN THIS AREA. >> Coun. Bassan: MR. PRESIDENT, WE HAVE ONE OF THE COMMENTS MADE TONIGHT. AND I HAD HEARD FROM CONSTITUENT IN DISTRICT 4, PARTICULARLY, I WOULD LIKE CLARIFICATION ON THESE BILLS, THESE FOUR BILLS, BECAUSE FROM WHAT I READ, THIS IS ABOUT TAX ABATE MEANT. THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE PURCHASING ANY OF THESE FOUR PROPERTIES. RENOVATING THEM. INVESTING THEM IN DIRECTLY. OR RUNNING THEM. IT IS FROM WHAT I READ ON ALL FOUR OF THESE BILLS, IT IS SOMETHING THAT I HAD TO TALK TO SOME CONSTITUENTS TODAY, BECAUSE THEY WERE A LITTLE FRUSTRATED WITH THE IDEA OF GATEWAY AND THE CITY AND SIMILAR TO WHAT COUNCILLOR QUEZADA IS MENTIONING AS WELL. -- TO WHAT COUNCILLOR SANCHEZ HAS MENTIONED AS WELL. I SEE MS. DELGADO THERE, TOO. CAN YOU CLARIFY, THESE FOUR BILLS RIGHT NOW, IS THE CITY PURCHASING, RENOVATING AND GOING TO RUN THEM? >> SO THESE FOUR ITEMS BEFORE YOU, THREE ARE HOUSING PROJECTS AND THEY ARE ALL PRIVATELY OPENED. ONE IS A HOTEL PROJECT. SPECIFICALLY TO R-75, WE ARE LOOKING AT A PRIVATELY OPENED, PRIVATELY DEVELOPED OFFICE TOWER. THAT SAID, IT WILL POTENTIALLY HOLD A MIX OF UNITS THAT WILL BE MARKET RATE AND POTENTIALLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH MEANS WE USE LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDITS. >> MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. SO MS. DEALT GOOD DOE, CAN YOU PLEASE -- DELGADO, THE BILL IS ABOUT TAX ABATEMENT. WE ARE GOING TO GIVE IF WE APPROVE, THIS BILL AND THE OTHER THREE ARE GOING TO REDUCE THE TAX REQUIREMENT ON WHOMEVER IS GOING TO GET AWARDED DEPENDING ON THE BILL, SO THEY ARE MORE INCENTIVIZED, IS MY UNDERSTANDINGS, TO DEVELOP THESE PROPERTIES AND IMPROVE THEM FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE? AM I MISUNDERSTANDINGS OR AM I ON THE RIGHT TRACK? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILLOR BASSAN, YOU ARE CORRECT. THIS IS A TAX BREAK. SO THE M RA -- THIS IS A TAX BREAK FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER, FOR THE SEVEN YEARS AFTER THE CONSTRUCTION. >> Pres. Lewis: ARE YOU CLEAR? COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >> Coun. Champine: I HAVE A COUPLE OF VERIFICATION QUESTIONS TO BETTER UNDERSTAND. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL COME FROM THE SPONSOR OR THE ADMIN. BUT ARE ANY OF THESE LOCATIONS GOING TO BE SUBSIDIZED HOUSING? >> MR. VICE PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR MR. PRESIDENT. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILLOR BACA, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE TAX CREDITS? >> Coun. Champine: YES. >> SO, THERE IS A POTENTIAL. RS IT IS NOT CLEAR WHO WILL BE RECEIVING THOSE TYPE OF INCENTIVES. >> Coun. Champine: BECAUSE IN THE WRITE UP OF IT, IT SAID IT WOULD BE A MIX USE, TO INCLUDE MARKET RATE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT THIS IS NOT FINALIZED. WHEN WILL THAT BE FINALIZED, BEFORE CONSTRUCTION? >> SO TODAY YOU ARE SEEING THE RESOLUTION, WHICH IS THE APPROVAL. SO IF COUNCIL APPROVES, THEN THE APPLICANT, WHICH IS THE PROPERTY OWNER AND DEVELOPER, HAS THREE YEARS TO CONSTRUCT THE PROJECT. >> Coun. Champine: OKAY. AND DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE SITE CONTROL ON THIS SPECIFIC LOCATION AND IN WHAT FORM? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION? >> Coun. Champine: YES. DOES THE APPLICANT FOR THIS LOCATION HAVE SITE CONTROL CURRENTLY AND IN WHAT FORM? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT MUST HAVE SITE CONTROL, WHICH MEANS IF OWNED BY A DEED OR A REAL ESTATE CONTRACT. >> Coun. Champine: IS IT A REAL ESTATE CONTRACT OR A FULL DEED? >> DEED. >> Coun. Champine: THE ROOF TOP GARDEN IS 15 PERCENT OF THE AREA, BY REGULATION. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE ROOF TOP? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, I CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT. >> Coun. Champine: OKAY, JUST A FEW MORE. I'M SORRY, MR. PRESIDENT. IT LISTINGS ON THERE, IT SAYS THAT THERE IS A CAR SHARE VEHICLE, A DEDICATED CAR SHARE VEHICLE. CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THE CAR SHARE VEHICLE IS? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, SO A CAR SHARE PARKING SPACE. SO A VEHICLE THAT CAN BE SHARED BY RESIDENTS, ORDERED BY RESIDENTS, EITHER THROUGH AN AP OR SOME TYPE OF PROCESS. >> Coun. Champine: IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING IN ORDER TO GET THIS TAX ABATEMENT, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY GIVES IT TO THE CITY, AND THEN THE CITY LEASES IT BACK TO THE PROPERTY, BECAUSE THE TAX ABATEMENT CAN ONLY BE ON CITY PROPERTY; IS THAT CORRECT. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, THAT IS CORRECT. >> Coun. Champine: AND HOW DOES THAT LEASE GO ABOUT? IF IT IS A SEVEN YEAR LEASE, DO THEY HAVE AN OPTION TO BREAK THAT LEASE? ARE THEY STUCK IN THAT SEVEN YEAR LEASE? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, THE VACATION OF THE LEAD WOULD BE, YES, THEY ARE IN IT FOR SEVEN YEARS. IF FOR ANY REASON THAT LEASE WERE TO BE CANCELLED, THEN THAT WOULD CANCEL. >> Coun. Champine: AND HOW DOES THE-- I UNDERSTAND THAT IF THEY HAVE A MORTGAGE, IF THEY DON'T OWN IT FREE AND CLEAR, THE CITY WILL BE PUT IN SECOND POSITION ON THAT; IS THAT CORRECT? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, THAT IS CORRECT. >> Coun. Champine: AND MR. PRESIDENT, WHEN THAT IS OVER, HOW DOES IT TRANSFER BACK TO THE OWNER, AFTER THE SEVEN YEAR LEASE? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, SO IT WOULD -- THEY WOULD TRANSFER THE POSITION BACK TO THE OWNER VIA THE SAME REAL ESTATE CONTRACT -- A REAL ESTATE CONTRACT. >> Coun. Champine: THANK YOU HAD MR. PRESIDENT. >> Coun. Grout: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I HAVE ONE COMMENT. I TRAVELED ALONG THIS ROAD AT LEAST TWICE A WEEK WHEN I GO TO THE BANK FOR MY BUSINESS. AND OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, I'VE SEEN IT REALLY GET WORSE AND WORSE AND WORSE. EVERY DAY, EVERY MONDAY AND THURSDAY WHEN I GO ALONG THIS ROAD, I SEE A DOZEN, NO LESS THAN A DOZEN PEOPLE HANGING OUT AND TRASHING IT. I CAN'T WAIT FOR THIS TO COME TO FRUITION. THIS AREA WILL BE MUCH BETTER BECAUSE OF IT, AND BESIDES THE HOMES THAT IT IS GOING TO PROVIDE, IT WILL REALLY DO A LOT FOR THE AREA. SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROGRAM. OR THIS DEVELOPMENT. AND I THINK IT IS MUCH NEEDED. JUST ONE REAL QUICK COMMENT. WE DID NOT, YOU KNOW, I DID NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE VOTING ON THIS THING WHEN IT WAS FIRST INTRODUCED RIGHT AWAY, I NEEDED TIME TO STUDY IT, AND ALL THE OTHER ONES. TWO WEEKS DIDN'T MAKING A BIG DIFFERENCE TO VOTE ON IT. SO I'M GLAD THAT WE ARE HERE >> Coun. Champine: MR. PRESIDENT , I APOLOGIZE, I MISSED ONE OF THESE QUESTIONS. MR. PRESIDENT, IT STATES IN THE METROPOLITAN REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, IT IS GOING TO FOLLOW INTO THIS, ANY THAT ARTICLE IT STATES THAT A TEN THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE IS CREATED OR PUT INTO ACTIVE USE, IT MUST BE CURRENTLY VACANT OR HAVE HARD CONSTRUCTION COSTS, AND SHOULD HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT. DO WE HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT ALREADY FOR THE COMMERCIAL SENSE? AND I DIDN'T SEE ANY COMMERCIAL PLANS IN THIS LOCATION. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, SO THAT IS AN "OR." THE PROJECT, IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR THE TAX ABATE MEANT, THE PROJECT MUST BUILD A MINIMUM OF 8 UNITS, OR BUILD TEN THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL AND PUT INTO ACTIVE USE TEN THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL. IN THIS CASE, IT IS ALL 110 UNITS. >> Coun. Champine: THANK YOU. >> Pres. Lewis: I'M GOING TO CLOSE DISCUSSION AND GO TO A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY YES. THIS IS R-75. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. COUNCIL, R 76. >> Coun. Grout: MR. PRESIDENT, R 76 IS RELATING TO THE APPROVAL OF A REDEVELOPMENT TAX ABATEMENT ON THE SO MOST AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT. THIS PROJECT IS ON CENTRAL AND A LFNTLECAZAR ANTERIOR LAND INTO A HOUSING COMPLEX WITH A THOUSAND FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE. I URGE OR MOVE A DO PASS. >> Pres. Lewis: WE HAVE A MOTION ON A SECOND BY. DISCUSSION ON THE BILL. >> Coun. Champine: YES, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO THE APPLICANT HAVE SITE CONTROL IN THIS APPLICATION, AND IN WHAT FORM. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, IN THIS SPECIFIC CASE, THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY UNDER CITY CONTROL. IT IS OWNED BY THE AT THE TIME. CITY. SO I BELIEVE THAT IT WAS -- THE COUNSEL HAS EVEN EC-24-25, WHICH WAS THE ACCEPTANCE OF A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT SAID IT WILL ENTER INTO A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. IF IT DEVELOPS HOUSING, IT WITH DONATE THE LAND. SO REGARDING THE ONE SPECIFIC CRITERIA THAT THE DEVELOPER MUST MEET BEFORE THE LAND GETS >> Coun. Champine: MR. PRESIDENT , IT IS STATED IN THERE ALL THE BEDROOMS ARE 570 SQUARE FEET, BUT IN THE REQUIREMENT, IT SAYS, NO LESS THAN 600 SQUARE FEET: WAS I READING THAT INCORRECTLY? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, YOU ARE NOT READING THAT INCORRECTLY. THAT IS CORRECT. IT DOES REQUIRE 600 SQUARE FEET, A UNIT, WHICH THEY ARE ESTIMATE TO GO TO BE 570 SQUARE FEET. >> Coun. Champine: SO WE ARE BELOW IT BY 30 SQUARE FEET. I DO LIKE THE FACT THAT THIS IS A LOCAL BUSINESS DEVELOPER. AND IT INDICATES THAT IT IS GOING TO TAKE 16 TO 18 MONTHS TO COMPLETE. THE LAST ONE DIDN'T GIVE A TIME LINE. I LIKE THIS TIME-LINE. >> Pres. Lewis: COUNCILORS, ANYONE ELSE TO KNOWS. >> Coun. Bassan: MR. PRESIDENT, DID I MISUNDERSTANDS WHAT YOUR QUESTION WAS, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, ABOUT THE REQUIREMENT IS A MINIMUM OF 600 SQUARE FEET, AND WHAT IS IN THE PROCESS A IS 570 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS LESS THAN THE REQUIREMENT? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILLOR BASSAN YES. OF SO THE MATRIX OF THE OF TAX ABATEMENT APPLICATION DOES SAY THAT A MINIMUM REQUIREMENT OF 600 FEET PER UNIT. THE DEVELOPER IS ESTIMATING UNITS TO BE 570 SQUARE FEET. >> Coun. Bassan: MR. PRESIDENT, CAN SOMEBODY, OR MAYBE OUR ATTORNEY OR SOMEBODY, SAY SOMETHING? I MEAN, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THIS, BUT I THAT I WAS A GOOD CATCH ON THE DETAILS. IF WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT, AND WE ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE REQUIREMENT, WHY ARE WE GOING TO APPROVE THIS? I MEAN, I GET THE THAT HE LET COOL, OF COURSE, WHY WE SHOULD APPROVE IT BUT HERE WE ARE AGAIN SAYING WE HAVE RULES THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO FOLLOW. IT IS A COMMON THEME WE KEEP HAPPENING. >> Coun. Grout: YES, MR. PRESIDENT, WE NEED TO CLARIFY THE RULE. MAYBE TESH I CAN CLARIFY THAT. -- MAYBE TERRY CAN CLARIFY THAT. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, THAT'S A CRITERIA UNDER THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT SCORE CARD, SO IT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT OF THE BENEFIT, ITSELF. IT IS JUST A SCORING TO GET POINTS. >> Coun. Bassan: SO ON THE SCORE CARD, THEY WOULD HAVE GOTTEN MORE POINTS IN THAT EVALUATION? >> YES, YOU HAVE THE EVALUATION ON PAGE, I THINK IT IS TWO. >> Coun. Bassan: I SAW THE EVALUATION, BUT I'M APPRECIATIVE THAT YOU ARE SENDING ME TO WHERE THAT RULE. BECAUSE IT IS A RULE AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE GOVERNING IN ALL THIS THEN I THINK IT HAS TO BE THERE, THAT WE APPROVE 600 SQUARE FEET. BUT IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT UPS THE VALUE OF POINTS, THAT MAKES ME MORE COMFORTABLE. >> MR. PRESIDENT, I WANTED TO ASK, SINCE YOU'RE UP THERE, WE REDO THE IDEA A FEW YEARS AGO, WE PUT MXM ON A LARGE PART OF CENTRAL, WHICH REALLY KIND OF, I KNOW IT WAS SOLD ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WOULD STILL HAVE VOICES TO BE HEARD, AND SO YOU KNOW, MUCH LIKE THIS APPLICATION, IT IS SAYING THAT THERE IS NO RECORD OF NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THAT IS WERE NOTIFIED AS PART OF OUR NOTES. I KNOW I FLIF A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE WE ARE HAVING A LOT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSES COMING UP, AND THE NEIGHBORS HAVEN'T NECESSARILY BEEN NOTIFIED, FOR THEY HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED, IT HAS BEEN MINIMAL NOTIFICATION. LIKE KIND OF AFTER THE FACT. SO I'M REALLY CONCERNED. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE ALWAYS YOU FASCINATED ME WITH THE I DO, ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD NOARVETION AND NEIGHBORHOOD PARTICIPATION, WHEN WE'RE HAVING A MULTITUDE OF, LIKE I SAID AT THE LAST MEETINGS I DON'T KNOW IF MY COMMENTS WERE MISCONSTRUED OR WHAT, BUT WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, A LOT OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS AREN'T GOING THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE, THEY ARE BEING CONCENTRATED IN AN AREA THAT ARE ALREADY UNDER SERVED, SCHOOLS ARE OVER CROWDED. THERE IS A LOT OF EXISTING NEEDS IN THOSE COMMUNITIES. AND WHEN WE ARE ADDING ADDITIONAL HOUSING AND PEOPLE, NOT THAT THEY BRING ANY TYPE OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY WITH THEM, BUTWHEN WE ARE ADDING ADDITIONAL POPULATION AND REALLY LARGE NUMBERS TO THE COMMUNITY WE ALREADY OVER BURDEN WHAT'S ALREADY OVER BURDENED THERE. AND I'M VERY, VERY CONCERNED THAT THOUGH THAT THESE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS ARE NOT HAVING AN ACTIVE ROLE IN PARTICIPATING IN THESE DEVELOPMENTS AND HAVING THEIR VOICES HEARD. >> MR. PRESIDENT, IF I COULD RESPOND TO THAT. I PERSONALLY HAVE CON-OUTREACH TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS. >> Coun. Peña: I'M ACTUALLY ASKING MR. BREWO. I'M ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT ALL THE HOUSING PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING ALONG WEST CENTRAL, AND I'M TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY -- IF YOU'RE CONTENT WITH NO NEIGHBORHOOD NOTIFICATION, THAT'S FINE, BUT FL I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT TESTIMONY THANK YOU. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COIMENT HORSE, WE STRONGLY ENCOURAGE NEIGHBORHOOD NOTIFICATION AND A PRESENTATION TO THE LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD FOR ANY OF THESE APPLICATIONS. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE HAVE BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS OFTEN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT, BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH ACTIVITY IN THIS AREA. SO WE HAVE -- THIS IS THE FORTH DEVELOPMENT AROUND SAN MATEO AND CENTRAL, SO IT HAS BEEN AN ONGOING CONVERSATION. THEY SAW THIS ONE COMING. IT WASN'T A SURPRISE IN A SENSE. BUT WE ALSO DO NOTICE ON ABC MEETINGS, WHICH IS FIRST APPEARANCE BEFORE AN OPEN COMMITTEE. >> Coun. Peña: MR. PRESIDENT, OUR COMMENTS ARE NOT CLEAR ON WHICH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS WERE NOTIFIED OR IN ATTENDANCE AT YOUR OCTOBER 26TH PUBLIC MEETING. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCIL LOOKER AT OUR ADC MEETING. IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN? >> Coun. Peña: I READ TO YOU EXACTLY WHAT'S IN THE RECORD. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE RECORD OF THE ABC MEETING. WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD -- IT IS PRETTY RARE TO HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS SHOW UP. GENERALLY THESE ABATEMENTS, I CAN THINK OF ONE OUT OF THE LAST SIX THAT HAD NEIGHBORHOOD PARTICIPATION AT THE ACTUAL ALBUQUERQUE DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. >> Coun. Peña: JUST REPORT FOR THERECORD, YOU'LL VERY CONC. ITS DILUTED COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION N THESE. THANK YOU. >> Pres. Lewis: I WILL CLOSE DISCUSSION, AND GO TO A VOTE. COUNCILORS, THIS IS R-76. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY YES. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. R-77. >> Coun. Grout: R-77 IS RELATE TO GET APPROVAL OF ANOTHER ROW DEVELOPMENT TAX ABATEMENT ON THE HIGHLAND RESIDENCE INN AND FOOT HALL BEING DEVELOPED BY TITAN DEVELOPMENT. THIS PARTICULAR ONE WILL FEATURE A 14,000 SQUARE FOOT FOOD HALL AND 126 UNIT RESIDENCE. IT IS ANSWER BEING THE LOCAL ECONOMY BY PROVIDING JOBS, A VIEW BRANLT SPACE FOR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS TESTIMONY A HOUSING FOR TRAVELING NURSES WITH THE PRESBYTERIAN HOSPITAL ACROSS THE STREET, AND I MOVE FOR A DO PASS. >> Pres. Lewis: MOVE AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION COUNCIL? >> Coun. Champine: I'LL STICK TO ONE THIS TIME. THE OTHER THREE ARE RESIDENTIAL. THIS ONE IS A COMMERCIAL. HOW IS IT A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH HOUSING SHORTAGE? >> MR. PRESIDENT, CAN I HELP WITH THAT ANSWER. SPECIFICALLY, THIS ONE WILL REALLY HELP WITH TRAVELING NURSES WHO ARE WORKING AT PRESBYTERIAN HOSPITAL, WHO ARE HAVING A HARD TIME FIND EFFECT HOUSING. SO IT WILL HELP SPECIFICALLY WITH THAT PART OF OUR COMMUNITY, WHICH IS DESPERATELY NEEDED. >> Pres. Lewis: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS IN WE WILL GO TO A VOTE. THIS IS R-77. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY YES. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ONE MORE OF THESE. R-76. >> Coun. Rogers: R-78 IS RELATING TO A REDEVELOPMENT TAX ABATEMENT ON GARFIELD TOWNHOMES, BEING DEVELOPED BY GARFIELD TOWNHOMES AND SUNLIGHT PROPERTIES. THIS IS A 16 UNIT TOWNHOME PROJECT THAT WILL CONSIST OF TWO SEPARATE BUILDINGS. THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE A A LEAD PLATINUM CERTIFIED, WHICH WILL INCLUDE, I'M EXCITED ABOUT, ELECTRIC ENERGY EFFICIENT, INCORPORATING NEW AND IMPROVED COOLING FEATURES. SO I MOVE FOR A DO PASS. >> Pres. Lewis: MOVED AND SECONDED BY A. BY COUNCILLORFIEBELKORN FOR A D. ANY SPEAKERS IN NO. WE WILL GO TO A VOTE. THIS IS R-78. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY YES. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE HAVE SCHEDULED YOU'VE 30 MINUTE BREAK. WE WILL BE BACK IN 30 MINUTES. >> THANK YOU, WELCOME BACK EVERYONE. WE ARE GOING TO DO A COUPLE OF APPROVALS, AND THEN WE ARE GOING TO GO TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. AT THIS TIME IT EC-186 IS APPROVING THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO. I MOVE APPROVAL. WE HAVE A MOVED AND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? >> NO, MADAM PRESIDENT. >> Coun. Grout: THANK YOU. ADMINISTRATION, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THIS? >> MADAM CHAIR, WE JUST URGE YOUR SUPPORT. THIS HAS BEEN AN IMPORTANT RELATIONSHIP, OR PARTNER STHAIP WE HAVE WITH THE STATE, AND I THINK THIS EXCHANGE ALLOWS US TO TAKE CARE OF MULTIPLE GOALS BETWEEN BOTH THE STATE AND THE CITY. THANK YOU. >> Coun. Grout: THANK YOU. COUNCILORS, ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILLOR SANCHEZ. >> Coun. Sanchez: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. HOLD ON, I HAVE SOME NOTES I'LL PULL UP HERE REAL QUICK. THIS IS EC-24- 24-186, CORRECT? >> Coun. Grout: CORRECT. >> Coun. Sanchez: THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IN REFERENCE TO THIS IS, WE HAVE GOT A PROPERTY, 1250 MENAUL, AND IN REFERENCE TO THE EVALUATION, I STILL HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE EVALUATION. AND MY QUESTION IS, WE ARE LOOKING AT A PROPERTY THAT WE PURCHASED, RIGHT, FOR 6.1 # MILLION DOLLARS, WE ARE TAWRNGD AND SELLING IT FOR $5.7 MILLION. AS FAR AS I KNOW, NOT ONE BIT OF RESEARCH IN THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO AND FOR THAT MATTER IN THE UNITED STATES HAS GONE DOWN IN EVALUATION. I THINK WE NEED TO LOBLG AT THIS FURTHER AS A COUNCIL, AND GET THAT QUESTION ANSWERED. SOMETHING DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT ABOUT IT. AND I THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD REALLY, REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT, AND MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY A TRUE STATEMENT. >> Coun. Bassan: MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, JUST A QUESTION ON PROCESS, WITH AN EXECUTIVE COMMUNICATION. IF WE WERE TO NOT VOTE FOR IT, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, CAN YOU PLEASE CLARIFY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? >> THERE IS NO WAY -- COUNCIL VICE-PRESIDENT AND COUNCILLOR BASSAN, THERE IS NO WAY TO AMEND AN EXECUTIVE COMMUNICATION. SO IF YOU VOTE IT DOWN, IT WOULD JUST NOT PASS. >> Coun. Peña: MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, ONE OTHER QUESTION. EVEN IF IT GOT VOTED DOWN, THAT WOULD MEAN IT WOULDN'T HAPPEN? >> MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, AND COUNCILLOR BASSAN, IT WOULD DEPEND. I MEAN, IF THEY WANTED TO COME BACK WITH A DIFFERENT SET UP, BUT A LOT OF THIS STUFF IS ALREADY GOING ON WITH THE STATE, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY WILL DO IT. I GUESS THEY COULD TRY TO RESUBMIT IT. >> Coun. Bassan: AND MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, I'M JUST ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION, FOR THE MOST PART IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING WITH EXECUTIVE COMMUNICATION, IT IS KIND OF A FORMALITY OF MAKING SURE TO NOTIFY US ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS. BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE TO BE ON THE RIGHT PAGE. >> Coun. Grout: THANK YOU. >> MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT AND COUNCILLOR SANCHEZ, WE HAVE APPRAISALS FOR THE TWO PROPERTIES THAT WE ARE GETTING IN EX-CHANGE MUCH IT IS NOT A SALE TRANSACTION. WE ARE GETTING TWO PROPERTIES IN EXCHANGE FOR THE PROPERTY. AND THE 2024 APPRAISAL ON THE PAN AMERICAN PROPERTY, WHICH IS ALSO KNOWN AS THE MALOOF OFF THE REWAY, THE ABLAZE VALUE IS $25,000, APPEAR THAT WAS THE APPRAISED. THE PROPERTY ON COMMERCIAL, OVER ON THE RAIL TRAIL, APPRISED IN 2022 FOR $227,000. THE WOMEN APPRAISED VALUES IS JUST OVER SIX MILLION DOLLARS. AND AGAIN, IT IS NOT A SALE, IT IS AN EXCHANGE. THE STATE LEGISLATURE AGREED TO THIS EXCHANGE, AND WE WANT TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. THANK YOU. >> Coun. Grout: ANY OTHER COMMENTS COUNCILORS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY YES, AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OH, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >> Coun. Champine: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. THIS IS FOR THE ADMINISTRATION. THE STAKE CARVED OUT 8 ACRES ON THAT PAN AMERICAN LOCATION. DO THEY OWN THE PROPERTY SURROUNDING IT, OR GOING WEST DOWN EDITH? IS THERE ANY MOTION WHAT THEY PLAN? BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE THINKING OF PUTTING IN A TRANSFER STATION THERE. THERE ANY IDEA WHAT THEY PLANNED ON DOING WITH THE REST OF THE 52 ACRES THEY OWN? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW OR NOT. I'M NOT HOLDING YOUR FEET TO THE FIRE. >> COUNCIL VICE-PRESIDENT AND COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR THE REST OF THE PROPERTY. >> Coun. Champine: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. >> Coun. Grout: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY YES, AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON A 7-1 VOTE. LET'S MOVE ON TO EC-24- 199, THE MAYOR'S APPOINTMENT OF MS. GLASS TO THE JOINT AIR QUALITY BOARD. I MOVE CONFIRMATION. WE HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE? >> NO,. >> Coun. Grout: COUNCILORS, ANY QUESTION OR COMMENTS IN ADMINISTRATION? YOU WILL THOSE IN FAVOR OF EC-24- 199, RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON A 7-1 VOTE. OKAY, LET'S GO TO, BACK TO, BE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN PROVIDE LIVE PUBLIC COMMENT TO THE COUNCIL IN PERSON, OR VIRTUALLY, IF THEY HAVE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT PER THE INSTRUCTIONS PUBLISHED ON THE AGENDA, AND ON OUR WEBSITE ON FRIDAY. HERE ARE THE PUBLIC COMMENT GROUND RULES. EACH PARTICIPANT HAS TWO MINUTES TO PRESENT. COMMENTS ARE TO BE ADDRESSED TO THE COUNCILORS ONLY, TO THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT. ANY DISRUPTIVE CONDUCT WILL RESULT IN REMOVAL FROM THE MEETING. THERE IS A TWO MINUTE TIME LIMIT, AND A BELL WILL RING TO INDICATE YOUR TIME IS UP. MR. CORNEALIAS, PLEASE CALL THE NAME FIRST SPEAKER. >> OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS JAMES, FOLLOWED BY LISA. >> JAMES: THANK YOU, GARRETT. GOOD EVENING, ALL. I AM MANY JAMES FREEDMAN, FROM D-4. I'M GOING TO SPEAK FROM A COULD THAT YOU I WROTE THAT WAS PUBLISHED IN THE JOURNAL THE SUNDAY BEFORE LAST. THE TITLE IS: HOMELESS SURVEY CONTINUES TO HAVE SIGNIFICANT UNDER COUNT. I WAS LITERALLY HOMELESS, PRECARIOUSLY HOUSED AND SHELTERED IN ALBUQUERQUE IN DIFFERENT PERIODS 2016 AND 2017. WHEN TAKING THE SURVEY, I REMEMBER MANY UNSHELTERED PEOPLE MANY REFUSING TO PARTICIPATE. SOME WERE SO ADAMANT THAT THEY WOULD SKIP MEALS AT AGENCIES FOR FEAR OF BEING FORCED TO PARTICIPATE AND SHARE THEIR PRIVATE INFORMATION. THE SURVEYORS COLLECT THE FIRST TWO LETTERS OF THE PARTICIPANTS FIRST, MIDDLE, A APPEAR LAST NAIRNLG THE MONTH AND YEAR AND OF THEIR BIRTH AND THE STATE WHERE THEY WERE BORN. THIS IS USED TO ELIMINATE MULTIPLE RESPONSES FROM THE SINGLE PARTICIPANT. SOME HAVE STATED THAT THIS IS NOT PERSONAL INFORMATION TO VALIDATE THE SURVEY DATA. SO FOR MY EXPERIENCE, THE DATA COLLECTION CAN PRESENT A SIGNIFICANT BARRIER TO COLLECTING ANY INFORMATION FROM THE SURVEY MANY I'M MEANT MANY UNSHELTERED INFORMATION WHO CHERISH THEIR INFORMATION LIKE OTHERS CHERISH CHILDREN. ALL OF THEIR POSSESSIONS BECOME MEANINGFUL AND SIGNIFICANT IN THEIR LIVES, AND UNSHELTERED FOLKS HAVE ROUTINELY LOST ALL FORMS OF IDENTIFICATION, INCLUDING STATE ID, SOCIAL SECURITY CARD, BIRTH SEMPLET THE IMPORTANCE OF THEIR PERSONAL INFORMATION IS SIGNIFICANTLY MAG ANY FIESMED AS SOMEONE WHO HAS PARTICIPATED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE SURVEY, I FIND IT DEEPLY INSULTING THAT CITY LEADS BELIEVE ANYONE WOULD STRIVE TO PARTICIPATE MULTIPLE TIMES TO INFLUENCE THE RESULTS. BEYOND BOTTLE BATTER AND A MEAGER SNACK, RESPONDENTS ARE NOT I KNOW SEND AT THIS SIZED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE SURVEY IN ANY WAY. THE SURVEY HAS SHOWN 30 PERCENT GROWTH IN THE POPULATION IN THE LAST TWO YEARS. WHILE THE GROWTH IS ALARMING, IT IS A SIGNIFICANT UNDER COUNT, BECAUSE COUNTING EVERYONE AND COLLECTING THE DATA PRESENTS SUCH A CONSIDERABLE CHALLENGE. THANK YOU. >> LISA: GOOD EVENING. HI, THE THREE AREAS OF COMMENT, MY NAME IS LISA CHRISTOPHERSO NMPLEGHT, AN AIM IN DISTRICT 6. I'M VERY CONFUSED, QUITE FRANKLY, CHAIRMAN LEWIS, ON SOME OF THE COMMENTS MADE TONIGHT. THE APD BUDGE IS VERY HIGH, BUT I FULLED UP THE FBI STATISTICS, AND THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO HAS THE HIGHEST NO. OF PEOPLE KILLED BY THE POLICE SINCE 2023, AND I SEE ON L THE TWEET ACCOUNT, AND I'M ONE OF THOSE WHO REGULARLY RECEIVES GISSMENTSL'S COMMENTS, HE AND I GO BOOK BACK AND FORTH MANY YEARS, I PARTICIPATE IN THE LAST N ROUND, AS WELL, BUT THEY JUST PUT OUT, APD SAID, HOMICIDES ARE DOWN 23% FROM LAST YEAR, 38% OVER TWO YEARS, DECTS SOLVED 78% OF THIS YEAR'S CASES AND I WANT TO SAY AS A CITIZEN IN THIS CITY, IT IS VERY DISCONCERTING TO HEAR THIS NARRATIVE OF HOW WE ARE SO DANGEROUS, HOW LIFE IS OWE ALL OF, HOW THERE ARE SO MANY DRUG CARTELS, HOW ALL -- ITS NOT VERY ENCOURAGING. >> WHY WOULD I WANT TO LIVE HERE? WHY WHICH WANT ANY OF MY FAMILY TO LIVE HERE, IF WE HAVE CITY COUNCILORS WHO BELIEVE THIS IS A DANGEROUS CITY. ONE HUGE DIFFERENCE ABOUT PUBLIC BRAGHT ROOMS, AS YOU KNOW, MY FAMILY IS NOT FROM AMERICA. ENGLISH IS NOT MY FIRST LANGUAGE. HAVING LIVED OVERSEAS IN EUROPE AND IN THE CARIBBEAN AND SOUTH AMERICA, PUBLIC RESTROOMS ARE USED DIFFERENTLY OVER SEA, AND MAYBE WE MIGHT THINK ABOUT HOW PUBLIC TOILETS ARE USED IN EUROPE. THEY ARE NOT PORTABLES. THEY ARE ACTUAL MUNICIPALITY CONTROLLED FACILITIES. SOME ARE PAID TO PEE. BUT THEY ARE NOT PORT A POTTIES, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE A -- A COUPLE OF US WALKED FROM WIND OF CENTRAL UP TO NOB HILL TO SEE IF WE COULD FIND A BATHROOM, IF WE WERE TOURISTS, AND WE COULD NOT FIND ONE. SO JUST INFORMATION TO GO ALONG WITH, LET'S HAVE SOME POTTIES. >> ANAN: HI ALL. SO, I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT EC-24- 193, WHICH WAS JUST APPROVED THRIEWFD THE CONSENT AGENDA DURING THIS MEETING. DEPENDING ON WHATEVER DAY Y'ALL DOWNLOADD IT FROM THE REGISTRAR, YOU GOT A DIFFERENT VERSION. IF YOU DOWNLOADED IT MORE RECENTLY, WOULD YOU HAVE NO CLUE FROM IT BEING A DIFFERENT VERSION FROM WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY POSTED. IF YOU DOWNLOADED IT SOMETIME AROUND THE 16th, YOU WOULD HAVE GOTTEN AN OLD VERSION WITH TOTALLY DIFFERENT NUMBERS. THERE IS NO INDICATION THAT THE REPORT WAS REVISED AT ANY POINT, AND THE SIGNATURES OF THE CITY TOARNG THE CAO, AND THE DIRECTOR OF TRANSIT, IT SAYS, TIME STAMPS ON THOSE SIGNATURES. I HAVE COPIES OF BOTH VERSIONS HERE REQUEST THE DIFFERENCES HIGHLIGHTED? A. FOR THE FIRST FIVE PAGES. I ONLY HAVE TWO COPIES, BECAUSE I'M NOT MADE OF PRINTER INK, BUT I WANT TO LEAVE THOSE THERE FOR YOU ALL. AND I THINK THAT'S IT. OH WAIT. SORRY JUROR NO. 1. IF Y'ALL WANT TO LOOK INTO IT I PUT BOTH VERSIONS OF EC-24- 193 ON MY WEBSITE, AND I'LL TWEET ABOUT IT IN A SECOND. >> ADELE: GOOD EVENING, ARE ALBUQUERQUE CITY COUNCIL PRESIDENT DAN LEWIS, CITY COUNCILORS. PLEASE, LET'S OPEN UP THE BATHROOMS. I WANTS TO ECHO MY FRIEND COUNCILLOR BACA'S STATEMENT AND PROPOSAL TO INCREASE, TO PROPOSAL VACANCY TAX FOR VACANT DOWNTOWN BUILDINGS. I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE DOWNTOWN FOR PEOPLE. WE NEED TO MAKE OUR CITY FOR PEOPLE. IF YOU TOOK ECONOMICS 101, YOU WOULD KNOW ABOUT A INTERLASTICIC DEMAND. EVERYBODY DOES IT. MUCH THERE IS A BOOK ABOUT IT. SO WE NEED BATHROOMS THAT WE ARE PROUD OF, NOT PORT A POTTIES. WE ALL KNOW THAT PORT A POTTIES STINK. I REALLY WANT TO, YOU KNOW, ALSO ECHO COMMENDING MR. PA COULD HE. I THINK HE DOES GOOD BISMS I THINK THE POOP PATROL HAS DONE GREAT WORK OUT THERE. AND I'VE NOTICED A DIFFERENCE. THE CITY BUSES ARE CLEAN. IT IS NICE OUT HERE. AND YEAH. I DON'T WANT THE BUS TO JUST BE A A GOOD OPPORTUNITY, BUT I WANT IT TO BE THE BEST OPPORTUNITY. WHEN I WAS COMING FROM YOUR DISTRICT, COUNCIL PRESIDENT LEWIS, I WAS ON THE 790. I WAS FOR QUITE A FEW STOPS, FROM THE NORTHWEST TRANSIT CENTER DOWN TO THE BIG TURN, WITH ALL THE CARS, THAT'S WHERE EAGLE RANCH SPLITS UP. THE POINT; I WAS ALL ALONE IN THAT BUS, AND I THINK I COULD HAVE USED A LITTLE MORE COMPANY. I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO GET ON THE BUS. THANK YOU. >> CHRISTOPHER: MY NAME IS CHRISTOPHER TRUJILLO, I RUN AND MANAGE A FOOD TRUCK. THIS IS COMING BACK TO THE FEE CHANGE. WE START OFF AS A FOOD TRUCK IN 2021, DURING COVID. O HARD TIME, WE MADE IT THROUGH. LONG STORY SHORT, WE END UP WITH A RESTAURANT. OUR RESTAURANT IS DOING REALLY GOOD. OUR COMMISSARY AS WELL. THAT'S WHERE YOUR PREP IS DONE FOR YOUR FOOD TRUCK. I KNOW I CAN'T ASK QUESTIONS UP HERE, BUT HOW IS IT GOING IT TO BE BROUGHT UP, THE FEE INCREASE. AND ARE WE GOING TO BE PAYING THE INCREASED FEE FOR THE FOOD TRUCK, AND THE RESTAURANT, SO THAT DOUBLES UP ON MY FEES, OR IS THAT AND DOUBLE DIPPING KIND OF DEAL. IT IS LIKE GETTING MORE MONEY FROM ME, FROM THE BUSINESS. MAKING IT REALLY HARD TO OPERATE. AND WE ARE TRYING TO OPEN A BIGGER LOCATION. WE ARE MOVING FROM OUR LOCATION FROM SPACE 17 TO 53, AND WE HAVE HAD DIFFICULTY GETTING INSPECTIONS. WE ARE READY TO TO MOVE, BUT WAITING ON THE HEALTH I KNOW SPREXES. I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET THOSE DONE. SO THE INCREASE IS GOING A LOT FURTHER THAN JUST HIGHER PRICES, IT IS JUST MAKING IT MORE DIFFICULT TO RUN OUR BUSINESS. I'M NOW PAYING RENT ON TWO DIFFERENT FACILITIES, ONE THAT'S NOT BEING USED AT ALL, ALMOST MORE THAN DOUBLE THE PRICE OF THE ONE I'M PAYING NOW. SO IT IS INCREASING THE PRICE. SO REALLY SPEEDING IT UP WOULD BE GREAT. THE NICEST WAY TO PUT IT, BECAUSE IT IS AFFECTING YOUS MORE THAN JUST THE PRICE INCREASE. THANK YOU, GUYS. >> Pres. Lewis: THANK YOU. >> Coun. Rogers: WHY ARE HEALTH INSPECTIONS TAKING A LONG TIME? WHY CAN'T WE GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF RIGHT AWAY? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILLOR GROUT, WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE DOCTOR HERE WHO OVERSEES THIS IN OUR ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH DEPARTMENT. HE CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION. >> I WISH I HAD A DETAILED ANSWER FOR THAT. WE ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE REQUEST. USUALLY WHEN A NEW BUSINESS IS OPENING, IT IS A PREOPENING INSPECTION. I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK WITH HER AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING THAT SHE HAS TO SEE IN PLACE IS READY FOR THAT REOPENING INSPECTION, IF THEY ARE INDEED READY TO GO: >> Coun. Grout: MR. PRESIDENT, WOULD YOU GET WITH THIS GENTLEMAN OVER HERE APPEAR MAKE THAT HAPPEN? HE HAS BILLS TO PAY. >> I WOULD BE HAPPY TO. >> Coun. Grout: THANK YOU. >> O'CONNELL. MR. PRESIDENT, AND COUNCILORS, I'M THE SERGEANT WITH AD FOR MANY YEARS. I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF LAW ENFORCEMENT RETIRED AND ACTIVE. I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR EVERYBODY, BUT MANY. WE ARE DEEPLY CONCERNED WITH THE LEADERSHIP IN AD, AND PARTICULARLY, HAROLD MEDINA, THE IMAGE IN THE CITY AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. HE HAS BEEN CRITICIZED FOR MANY YEARS OVER THE YEAR, AND I DON'T HAVE TIME TO GO INTO THEM ALL TONIGHT. BUT THE BOTTOM LINE I HAD IS HIS RECENT ACTIONS GIVE THE PERCEPTION HE DOESN'T PLAY BY THE RULES, AND WHEN THE HIGHEST RANKING OFFICIAL IN THE DEPARTMENT OF NEW MEXICO DLIERS IT IS CHOICE TO HAVE DISREGARD FOR THE STATE PUBLIC SERVICE ACCOUNTABILITY LAWS AS WELL AS THE POLICE STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES, WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE US? WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE THE OFFICERS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN DISCIPLINED, OR GOING TO BE DISCIPLINED, FOR VIOLATING THE DEPARTMENT VIDEO POLICIES, WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF WHOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR GUIDANCE, MORAL STANDARDS, WHERE DOES IT LEAVE THE COMMUNITY TO RELY ON VIDEO TRANSPARENCY LAWS. WE ARE ALSO WORRIED ABOUT THE STANDARD THAT THE RECENT ACTIONS MAY BE SET ANYTHING THE TOP LEADERSHIP KNEELS THAT HE HAS TO FOLLOW -- DOES NOT HAVE TO FOLLOW WHEN AND WHY AN OFFICER SHOULD BE VIDEOTAPING -- I MESSED IT I HERE. HE DOESN'T HAVE TO FOLLOW THESE RULES, THEN WHAT KIND OF STANDARD ARE WE SETTING FOR WHEN, AND WHY AN OFFICER SHOULD BE VIDEOTAPING THAT IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY OF 2020, AND THE ACTIONS OF THE CHIEF AND HIS EXAMPLE MAY USURP AND UNDER MINE THE PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY BILL. WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE US? WE DO FEEL THE CHIEF OF POLICE IS A LIABILITY TO THE CITY AND WE ASK THOSE IN THE COUNCIL TO RESPECTFULLY, IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY, TO GET INVOLVED. I DO TRULY APPRECIATE YOU ALLOWING ME TO TAKE THIS TIME. >> MS. O'CONNELL, THIS IS NOT A QUESTION AND ANSWER, BUT THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT HERE WERE ACTUALLY HITTING HOME TO A LOT OF CITIZENS IN ALBUQUERQUE, AND I'M HOPING THAT A LOT OF THE COUNCILORS ARE UNDERSTANDING WHAT KIND OF DESPERATION WE ARE IN, IN REFERENCE TO ACCOUNTABILITY OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE, ARE TRANSPARENCY, INTEGRITY, PUBLIC TRUST, HAVING A GROWING RETENTION PROBLEM AT AD. KNOWS THINGS ARE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO US AS CITY COUNCILORS, AND TO THE CITIZENS OF ALBUQUERQUE. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE, IF YOU WERE SITTING IN MY SHOE, WHAT WOULD YOU DO? >> CALL FOR A VOTE OF CONFIDENCE. AND WHY COME HERE LIGHTLY. DON'T GET ME WRONG, IT WAS HARD FOR ME TO CORNLINGS AND THAT'S WHY THERE ARE NOT OTHER PEOPLE HERE. THEY HAVE TO PUT THEIR LIVELIHOOD, THEIR BUSINESS, AND THEIR FRIENDSHIPS TO TAKE STANDS LIKE THIS. BUT I WASN'T RAISED TO NOT STAND UP WHEN THINGS WEREN'T RIGHT. >> Pres. Lewis: ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? THERE IS ONE MORE. >> OUR NEXT COMMENT ON ZOOM. >> GOOD EVENING COUNCIL PRESIDENT AND CITY COUNCILORS. I AM SARA, I LIVE IN DISTRICT 2. I URGE YOU TO CONSIDER COMPASSIONATE APPROACH TO OUR COMMUNITY HOMELESSNESS CRISIS. IN APRIL 2024, THE CITY PLEDGED $100,000 TO SUPPORT 43 MEMBERS OF THE UTAH CHICO COMMUNITY, MANY OF WHOM HAD BEEN DISPLACED MORE THAN FIVE TIMES IN FOUR MONTHS. ADVOCATES REQUESTED HOTEL VOUCHERS AND WRAP AROUND SUPPORT TO FACILITATE HEALING AND STABLE HOUSING. TWO TBHEEX THE PROGRAM, THE CONTRACTED ORGANIZATION FAILED TO DELIVER MEANINGFUL SERVICES AND COULD NOT ACCOUNT FOR EXPENDITURES JEOPARDIZING FURTHER HOTEL STAYS. AS A RESULT, ADVOCATES NEGOTIATED WITH THE CITY TO CONTINUE PROVIDING HOTEL VOUCHERS, OFFERING VOLUNTEER SUPPORT. BY THAT TIME, HALF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS OPTED OUT OF THE PROGRAM, WHICH HAD UP ROOTED THEM FROM THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT, MOVED THEM DOWNTOWN, AND PROVIDED NO REAL SUPPORT. THE REMAINING 25 PEOPLE CHOSE TO STAY IN THE HOTELS, RELYING ON VOLUNTEERS, INCLUDING MYSELF, FOR SUPPORT. ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO PERSEVERED TO THE END OF THE PROGRAM MADE MUCH SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS DESPITE FACING DAILY ME TBILT AND CHALLENGES FROM A TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY, AND FOLLOWING THEIR VOUCHERS TO HOTELS ACROSS THE CITY. THEY OBTAINED THEIR FIRST ID IN FIVE YEARS, SECURED A BIRTH CERTIFICATE SOCIAL SECURITY CARD, AND CELLPHONE, CLEARED OUTSTANDING WARRANTS, AND ATTENDED COURT DAIRKTS AND WERE ENROLLED IN A BEHAVIORAL HEALTH PROGRAM FOR TREATMENT FIVE DAYS A WEEK, FOUND A PRIMARY CARE PROIRKS AND CORRECTED CAN WITH A MEDICAID CARE COORDINATE NEAT I APPLIED FOR REHABILITATION PROGRAM TO WORK. THEY REBUILT THEIR CONFIDENCE AND SELF ESTEEM, AND RECONNECTED WITH THEIR PARTNER ANION YEAR OLD CHILD. ON JULY 25, THEY WERE IN THE HOTEL, ENJOYING A MOVIE AND PLAYING WORD PUZZLE WITH THE FAMILY. THE BE VERY NEXT DAY, THE CITY ABRUPTLY ENDED THE VOUCHER PROGRAM, LEAVING THEM THE RAIN. THE OTHER 24 COMMUNITY MEMBERS FROM THE PROGRAM, FACED SIMILAR OUTCOMES. HAD CITY FUNDS BEEN INVESTED IN TRANSITIONAL HOUSING INSTEAD OF FENCING, ROCKS, HUMAN WASTE MANAGEMENT AND DOG PARKS, WE COULD END THE HOMELESSNESS IMPACTS US ALL, IT IS ALREADY IN OUR BACKYARD. WE NEED TO ACT ON ALL THE PROPOSED SOLUTIONS NOW, RATHER THAN PERPETUATE HARM THROUGH PUNITIVE POLICIES. PLEASE CONSIDER ALL PROSSED SOLUTIONS TO CREATE TRANSITION A SPACES AND SUPPORT ALL ALBUQUERQUE FAMILIES. THANK YOU. >> MR. PRESIDENT, THAT CONCLUDES GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. >> Pres. Lewis: FINAL ACTIONS, EYE AMEND T. COISHES. >> Coun. Bassan: MR. PRESIDENT, O-35. I MOVE A DO PASS. >> Pres. Lewis: MOVED AND SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR GROUT FOR A DO PASS. >> Coun. Bassan: MR. PRESIDENT, I'D LIKE TO MOVE A FLOOR SUB STATE ON YOUR iPAD. >> Pres. Lewis: THAT'S BEEN SECONDED ALSO BY COUNCILLOR GROUT. OF THIS IS A FLOOR SUB. >> Coun. Bassan: MR. PRESIDENT, I WOULD LET MR. MENICUCHI DO A REAL BRIEF REASONING SO WE CAN GET ON THE SAME PAGE. >> MR. PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, BASICALLY, THERE ARE FOUR DIFFERENT AMENDMENTS TO THE ORDINANCE. FIRST AMENDMENT, BOTH HAD THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE AND THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS INTRODUCED, IS THE SAME. THAT IS, THAT THE INTRODUCTION OF THE ITR EVER RESOLUTION TO COUNSEL, OR THE ITR TO THE STATE RESOLUTION FOR THE STATE PRIORITIES, WILL OCCUR NOW IN OCTOBER. IT HAD BEEN ORIGINALLY, I THINK, UP IN NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER. THEY ARE MOVING IT BACK A MONTH. THE STATE LEGISLATURE IS RECEIVING SO MANY APPLICATIONS NOW THAT THEY NEED EXTRA TIME TO REVIEW THEM. THIS GIVES THE COUNCILORS, THE CITY'S ELECT OWED INITIALS, THE ABILITY TO SPEND MORE TIME WITH THE ELECTED OFFICIALS OR WITH THE LEGISLATORS, DOING THAT REVIEW. AT THE SAME TIME, WE ALSO MOVED BACK BY A MONTH THE FEDERAL PRIORITIES LEGISLATION OF THAT WAS MOVED BACK SIMPLY BECAUSE IT AVOIDS US USING -- WHAT HAPPENED IS, WE WOULD NOT ABLE TO WORK ON THE FEDERAL PRIORITIES RESOLUTION UNTIL FEBRUARY OR MARCH, BECAUSE WE WOULD BE SO BUSY WITH THE STATE LEGISLATIVE SESSION. SO GET ALL THAT DONE, IT GETS OUR RESOLUTIONS DONE BEFORE THE STATE LEGISLATIVE SESSION COMES IN. SECOND THE MINOR TECHNICAL AMENDMENT, TO THE VARIOUS AMENDMENTS TO THE BILL. ONE OF THE SECTION HAS BEEN TITLED POWERS OF THE DIRECTION, TO AND THAT NEEDED TO BE CHANGED TO POWERS OF THE COMMITTEE. THAT MAKES THAT CHANGE. BOTH BILLS DO THAT. WHERE THE BILLS DIFFER MAINLY IS THE RESOLUTIONS. THE ORDINANCE SAYS THAT IS INTRODUCED TO THE COUNCIL BASICALLY SAYS THAT THERE WILL BE ONE RESOLUTION FOR BOTH FED RAP AND STATE, BUT THAT IT IS A CITY WIDE PRIORITY. THEY WOULD BE BROUGHT IN BY ATTACHMENT AND ADOPTED UNANIMOUSLY. THE OTHER PRIORITIES THAT ARE NOT CITY WIDE, THAT ARE DISTRICT, OR THE ADMINISTRATION, THEY WOULD BE BROUGHT IN BY STRAIGHT ATTACHMENT AND ADOPT BID A MAJORITY AND THE BILL WOULD BE VOTED ON. WHEN THIS CAME AND ANALYZED, THE COUNCIL STAFF ANALYZED IT, IN PREPARATION FOR THE FINAL INTRODUCTION, WHAT HAPPENED WAS THAT WE REALIZED THE MECHANICS WEREN'T WORK FOR TWO REASONS. ONE, YOU WOULD NOT END UP WITH A CLEAR WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY WIDE PRIORITIES HAD BEEN ADOPTED, BECAUSE THE MAIN BILL WOULD BE ADOPTED BY MAJORITY VOTE. EVEN THOUGH THAT WOULD SAY BE UNCLEAR TO COLLEGES TOKER OR CONGRESS A DELEGATION AS TO THERE WAS ADOPTED UNANIMOUSLY. SECOND, THE ETCH PROVISION IN THE CITY CHARTER 245 STATES ARTICLE 11, NOTICE RESOLUTION ORDINANCE ADOPT BID A JOTTER IS CONSIDERED ADOPTED. SO TO CLARIFY, I'M TALKING ABOUT LEGAL COUNSEL -- IS WE DID IT AS A STAND ALONE BILL MANY FOR THAT WAY, IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT THE CITY WIDE PRIORITIES QUESTION ABOVE THAT STANDARD AND GO FOR A UNANIMOUS VOTE. SO THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE CREATES TWO BILLS, SO WHENEVER YOU GET A STATE RESOLUTION, THE STATE PRIORITY RESOLUTION GETS TWO. ONE, CITY WIDE, AND ADOPTED BY A MAJORITY VOTE. ONE, YOU'RE AGAIN, YOUR OTHER IS NOT CITY WIDE, BUT BEING COUNCIL DISTRICT, OR WHATEVER, THOSE WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE IS RESOLUTION ADOPTED BY A MAJORITY VOTE. THAT HE WAS THE SECOND. THE FINAL DOCUMENT THAT WOULD BE MADE, OR THE FINAL CHANGE, IS THE PRIORITIES. THE COUNCIL, THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL, BASICALLY SETS UP A CITY WIDE PRIORITY DEFINITION, AND THEN IT HAS OTHER PRIORITIES WHERE THE COUNCIL, WOULD BE BASICALLY PRIORITIES OF THE COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR END UP INDEPENDENTLY OF THE RESOLUTION. TO MAKE THIS WORK, WE CHANGED IT SO THAT THE OF IS IT WIDE PRIORITY, IT WOULD GUY FOR UNANIMOUS BILL, AND THEN THERE IS WOULD BE THE MAYOR AND MAYOR AND COUNCIL PRIORITIES, WHICH WOULD GO TO THE MAJORITY, THE BILL ADOPTED BY THE MAJORITY, AND THEN THERE IS A NEW DESIGNATION PRIORITIES CALLED THE INDEPENDENT PRIORITY, AND THAT WOULD BE ONE WHERE A COUNCIL OR A MAYOR WOULD JUST ACCEPTED UP ON THEIR OWN TO THE CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION, OR TO THE LEGISLATURE. IT COVERS EVERYTHING. >> Pres. Lewis: THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS TO SUBSTITUTE THE BILL. WE WILL VOTE ON THAT. ITS BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED, THE SUBSTITUTION. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY YES. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES 8-1. AND BACK TO COUNCILLOR BASSAN. >> Coun. Bassan: MR. PRESIDENT, I KNOW WE DO HAVE SOMEBODY HERE TO SPERK AS WELL, BUT JUST TO REITERATE A LITTLE BIT ON THIS, I WANT TO CLARIFY WHAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT FOR A FEW YEARS. WE ARE TRYING TO LEGISLATE THE FACT THAT IF SOMEONE WANT TOES SAY THAT SOMETHING IS A CITY WIDE PRIORITY, TEN PEOPLE SHOULD APPROVE IT. IT SHOULD BE NINE COUNCILORS AND THE MAYOR, IF IT IS A CITY WIDE THING. IF ONE OF THOSE TEN DOESN'T MIND IT SHOULDN'T BE A A PRIORITY, THEN IT SHOULD BE BUMPED TO A MAYOR, OR A INDIVIDUAL PRIORITY, TO MAKE IT CLEAR WHEN WE ARE GOING UP TO SANTA FE AND LOBBYING. HERE WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT'S HAPPENING AS FAR AS LEGISLATION, SO WE KNOW WHAT RALES TO FOLLOW AND HOW TO PROCEED. AND THE LAST THING IS, I THINK WE HAVE HAD SOME STRUGGLE IN THE YEARS PAST WHERE SOMETIMES A CITY WIDE PRIORITY, ITS A SURPRISE AT ONE POINT IN TIME, WHEN THAT WASN'T WHAT WAS AGREED TO, OR THE COUNCIL OR THE MAYOR, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS ON THE SAME PAGE, THAT IF IT IS A CITY WIDE PRIORITY, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO THEN HAVE A FUTURE COMPANION RESOLUTION COMING UP TO SAY THAT IF IT IS A CITY WIDE PRIORITY, THAT'S A RULE OF CHANGE WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING, BECAUSE OF THE MAY HAVE JOTTER VOTE, TO PASS THE BILL, VERSUS SAYING THAT IT HAS TO BE UNANIMOUS, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE CITY CHARTER. >> Pres. Lewis: DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER MOTION. >> Coun. Bassan: MR. PRESIDENT, I DO. I'M HAPPY TO MAKE THAT MOTION, AND THEN I DON'T WANT TO FORE GHEAT WE HAVE A PUBLIC SPEAKER. I'M HOPING TO MOVE THE RULE BE SUSPENDED FOR THE PURPOSE OF ALLOWING O-35 THE TO BE ADOPTED THE SAME EVENING IT IS SUBSTITUTED. >> Pres. Lewis: MOVED AND SECOND. ANY QUESTIONS? VEEL GO TO A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY YES. OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES 8-1. ALL RIGHT. WE ARE BACK ON THE BILL AS SUBSTITUTED. AND THEN WE WILL TAKE FINAL ACTION ON THIS TONIGHT. OUR SPEAKER. >> MR. PRESIDENT, THE INDIVIDUAL THAT KIND UP, NOTIFIED US THEY SIGNED UP BY MISTAKE. >> Pres. Lewis: DOES THE ADMINISTRATION WANT TO COMMENT? NO? DISCUSSION ON THE BILL. >> Coun. Rogers: MR. PRESIDENT, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT CAPITOL PROJECTS. HOW DOES COMMUNITY ?AIRT PRIORITIES FOR CAPITOL REQUESTS? I UNDERSTAND LAST YEAR, WE MADE THE DETERMINATION THAT WE WEREN'T GOING TO BE TAKING ANY CAPITOL REQUESTS FROM COMMUNITY. I HEARD FROM SEVERAL REPRESENTATIVES THAT THEY GOT AN E-MAIL DURING THE SESSION SAYING THAT THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE WASN'T GOING TO ACT AS A PHYSICAL AGENT OF CAPITAL REQUESTS FOR COMMUNITY. HOW ARE WE GOING TO HANDLE CAPITOL REQUESTS FROM COMMUNITY, AND HOW DOES THAT GET WRAPPED UP CITY WIDE? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILLOR ROGERS, ARE YOU SPECIFICALLY ASKING ABOUT THE NONPROFITS THAT TYPICALLY WORK THROUGH THE CITY? COUNCILLOR ROGERS, THOSE REQUESTS DON'T COME IN THROUGH THIS PROCESS. THEY ARE ACTUALLY ADMINISTERED IN A DIFFERENT PATH. THERE'S ALSO BEEN A PROCESS THAT THE MIDDLE RIO GRANDE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS IS ALSO SERVING AS A A FISCAL AGENT TO SUPPORT NONPROFITS, AS WELL. SO IN CASES WHERE WE HAVE NONPROFITS WORKING WITH THE CITY AND THEY HAVE REQUESTS FOR LEGISLATURE THAT OVERLAYS CITY PROPERTY OR ACTIVITIES, WE WILL CONTINUE THE ACTIVITY WHERE WE SUPPORT THEM, AS WE HAVE IN THE PAST. BUT THE ROLE, OF MRCOG, HAS BEEN CREATED SO THEY CAN SUPPORT AS WELL FOR NONPROFITS THAT ARE NOT ASSOCIATED DIRECTLY WITH THE CITY. >> THAT'S ACTUALLY FOR THE GROW MONEY, THE JUNE MONEY THAT GOES THROUGH MRCOG, IT IS NOT ALL, THE GOVERNMENT DID NOT SAY FOR ALL CAPITOL REQUESTS, THEY GO THROUGH MRCOG. THE FUND LING THAT EACH SENATOR AND REPRESENTATIVE GETS TO GIVE OUT. THAT'S WHAT'S GOING THROUGH MRCOG. MY QUESTION SPECIFICALLY IS. HOW IS SETTLEMENT GOING TO BE TAKING CAPITOL REQUESTS FROM COMMUNITY NONPROFITS, AND FURTHERMORE, HOW ARE CITY WIDE PRIORITIES BEING INFORMED. >> MR. PRESIDENT, AND COUNCILLOR ROGERS, WE WILL CONTINUE SPROAS THAT WE HAVE HAD IN THE PAST. WE HAVE NOT MADE CHANGES THAT AS OF YET. WE MAY MAKE SOME CHANGES TO THAT. BUT NONPROFITS IN THE PAST HAVE GONE, MAYBE THEY HAVE COME TO US, AND WE HAVE WORKED WITH THEM TO GET CAPITOL. WE HAVE BEEN MADE WEAR OF THE CAPITOL REQUESTS THAT THEY HAVE. SOMETIMES THOSE CAPITAL REQUESTS, AS YOU KNOW, COME AS A SURPRISE TO US AND WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM. WHETHER WE KNOW ABOUT IT OR NOT, WE HAVE BEEN PRETTY GOOD PARTNERS AND FISCAL AGENTS TO GET THESE CAPITOL REQUESTS OUT THE DOOR. BUT I THINK THE CHALLENGE HAS BEEN, A LOT OF TIMES THE NONPROFIT MAY GO AND GET CAPITOL MONEY, AND THEY DON'T HAVE AN AGREEMENT BUTTS, AND IT TAKES A WHILE FOR US TO GET THAT OPERATING AGREEMENT AND GET IT THROUGH ALL OF THE HURDLES, ESPECIALLY ANTIDONATIONS. BUT AS FAR AS I KNOW, WE ARE NOT CHANGING OUR PROCESS. >> Coun. Rogers: MR. PRESIDENT, WE DID LAST YEAR. WE SAID WE WERE NOT DOING IT. THAT'S THE FEEDBACK I GOT FROM REPRESENTATIVES AND SENATORS. I CAN FORWARD YOU THE E-MAIL THAT THEY FORWARDED ME THAT SAID, THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE IS NOT GOING TO DO THAT. SO JUST IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, BECAUSE I KNOW WE WANT TO MOVE ON, CAN YOU PLEASE SEND US LIKE A DETAILED PROCESS OF HOW NONPROFITS CAN REQUEST PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE FOR CAPITOL PROJECTS. >> YES, WE CAN. >> Coun. Fiebelkorn: MR. PRESIDE NT, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK COUNCILLOR BASSAN. SHE HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS SINCE I TOOK OFFICE, AND IT REALLY IS A PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE, WHERE WE DO NOT SET CITY WIDE PRIORITIES THAT EVERYONE AGREES ON. BUT I DO THINK THAT THE PROBLEM HAS BEEN THAT THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE CITY COUNCIL HASN'T AGREED ON THE PRIORITIES. I HAVE NOT SEEN THE DISCUSSION BEING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HASN'T AGREED ON THOSE PRIORITIES, AMONGST THEMSELVES. SO I'M JUST WORRIED THAT THIS IS WAY TOO DETAILED OF A PARTICULARS FOR A PROBLEM THAT I'M NOT SURE THIS WILL FIX, BECAUSE THE PROBLEM IN THE PAST, EVERY YEAR I'VE BEEN HERE, IS THAT THE COUNCIL HAS THEIR PRIORITY LIST, AND THEN THE ADMINISTRATION SENDS FORWARD ANALYST TO THE LEGISLATORS THAT DOESN'T MATCH THAT. SO I'LL GIVE AN AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I THINK THIS GOES TOO FAR. AND REALLY, MAKES IT SEEM LIKE THE PROBLEM IS THE COUNCIL, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S TRUE. LAST YEAR, THIS BODY PASSED NOT UNANIMOUSLY, I VOTED AGAINST IT, A RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. BUT IT WAS PASSED BY THE MAJORITY OF THIS COANL AND IT WAS LISTED IN OUR LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES LEDGE SHOULDN'T, TBAWFS SOMETHING THAT WE PASSED BY THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL. UNDER THIS, I WILL ABLE TO SAY, NO, I DON'T LIKE IT. AND I'M FINE WITH THAT, BUT THAT WAS NOT THE PROBLEM LAST YEAR. THE PROBLEM WAS THAT LIST DID NOT MATCH UP WITH WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION GAVE LEDGE, TO AND I DON'T SEE THIS FIXING THIS PROBLEM. I WANT TO EXPLAIN AND THANK PARTICULARLY COUNCILLOR BASSAN, BECAUSE SHE HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS SINCE I TOOK OFFICE. BUT I THINK THAT THIS IS PUTTING THE ONUS ON COUNCILORS AND I HAVE NOT SEEN THE PROBLEM FIXED. THANK YOU. >> Pres. Lewis: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT, DISCUSSION CLOSED AND WE WILL GO TO A VOTE. THIS IS O-35 AS SUBSTITUTED. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY YES. OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES ON 8-1. WE ARE NOW GOING TO GO TO O-40. THIS IS COUNCILLOR BACA AND COUNCILLOR ROGERS. COUNCILLOR BACA. >> Coun. Baca: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. AMEND BEING THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY. I MOVE A DO PASS. MANY. >> Pres. Lewis: ITS BEEN MOVED APPEAR SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR ROGERS. COUNCILLOR BACA, DO YOU WANT TO MOVE THE FLOOR SUB, AS WELL? >> Coun. Baca: SURE. I DO HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, BUT, YES. I MOVE FLOOR AMENDMENT NO. 1 IN YOUR iPAD. >> Pres. Lewis: THE EXCIALTION I THINK, COUNCILORS IS REDAUNTED. ITS IN THE AMENDMENT HERE. DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT? WE WILL GO TO A VOTE. MOVED AND SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR BASSAN. GO TO A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY YES ON AMENDMENT NO. 1. OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES ON A 7-2. BACK ON THE BILL AS AMENDED. GO TO PUBLIC SPEAKERS AT THIS TIME. WELL, GO AHEAD, COUNCILLOR BACA. >> Coun. Baca: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THIS IS A ISSUE THAT'S BEEN RAISED MULTIPLE TIMES BY CONSTITUENTS HOTEL SOCIALINGATION NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, INCLUDING A LETTER EVERYBODY HAS HERE FROM THE CAPITOL SOAIVATION. QUITE A FEW FOLKS HAVE BROUGHT THIS UP. IF YOU'LL I KNOW DULL MANY ME, I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ADELE MARTINEZ. SHE IS A BIT OF A FOLK HERO IN BAR HE WILL LAST. IF YOU DON'T KNOW, SHE FOUGHT TO KEEP HER HOME WHEN THE HISPANIC CULTURAL CENTER WAS BEING BUILT AND OTHER HOMES WERE TURNED DOWN. RECENTLY, HER HOME WAS SOLD TO A REAL ESTATE INVESTOR, POTENTIALLY BEING ADDED TO THE STOCK OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I CAN IMAGINE HOW SHE MAY FEEL, LOOKING DOWN ON US RIGHT NOW. IT IS NO SECRET, THERE IS A HOUSING SHORTAGE IN ALBUQUERQUE, AND EVERY SHORT-TERM RENTAL IS A HOME REMOVED FROM OUR HOUSING SUPPLY, AND IT CAN CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF IT A NEIGHBORHOOD. SIMILAR TO THE DUPLEX AMENDMENT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP RECENTLY. I WOULD LIKE FOLKS TO TAKE AT THAT LOOK AT THE MAP. THIS IS THE GREATER DOWNTOWN AREA. THIS WAS COMPILED BY DOWNTOWN ALBUQUERQUE NEWS RECENTLY. EACH ONE OF THOSE DOTS RENTS APPEAR SHORT-TERM RENTAL IN THE AREA. THAT'S NEARLY 540 SHORT-TERM RENTALS JUST IN THAT AREA. THAT'S 79 SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN BARELA, 70 IN OLD TOWN IT 43 IN MARTINEZTOWN, NEARLY HALF OF ALL REGISTERED SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THE CITY ARE WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF OUR PROPOSAL. THAT'S JUST REGISTERED. IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, THERE'S FAR MORE THAN THAT. THERE ARE MANY, MANY UNREGISTERED SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THE CITY. STISD SHOW PEOPLE END UP PAYING MORE IN RENT, PEOPLE CANNOT BUY A HOME AND BUILD REAL PGHT. OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING STOCK IS FILLED WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE CAN AFFORD MARKET RATE HOMES, BUT THEY CONTACT FIND ONE. THAT CREATES A DOWNWARD PRESSURE WHERE THE ULTIMATE RESULT IS A PERSON WITH A JOB LIVING IN THEIR CAR. AND WHILE WE CRITIQUE OUR VOUCHER PROGRAM QUITE A BIT, AND IT NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED, RIGHTFULLY, WE ALSO HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WHEN VOUCHERS ARE NOT SPENT, IT IS ALSO BECAUSE THERE ARE NO PLACES TO RENT. ESPECIALLY WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THIS AREA WHERE IT'S AND SERVICE PROVIDERS ARE CONCENTRATED. I ALSO WANT FOLKS TO KNOW THAT I AM VERY MINDFUL OF PROTECTING OUR EXISTING BUSINESS, VERY, VERY MUCH. I DON'T TAKE THIS BILL LIGHTLY IN ANY WAY. WE TOOK CARE TO MAKE SURE WE PROTECT ALL EXISTING SHORT-TERM RENTAL PERMITS. IF YOU RENT A ROOM IN YOUR HOUSE OR KARETA IS HE AT THAT DURING BALLOON FIESTA, OUR PROTECTED IF YOU HAVE A PERMIT YOU ARE PROTECTED. IF YOU EXCEPT YOUR HOUSE, SOMEONE ELSE CAN RENT THOUGHT O THIS DOES NOT EFFECT MID TERM RENTALS. IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR THOSE, LIKE TRAVELING NURSES AND OTHER SEENGS LOCAL PERSONNEL THAT OUR CITY NEEDS. THERE ARE NO CAPS. IT DOESN'T EFFECT CHANGING GROWTH OVER TILE. WE HAVE SERIOUS ISSUES HERE TO TAKE UNTIL THE CITY, NONE OF THOSE ARE EASY AND NO MAGIC BULLET. ONE BILL WON'T SOLVE EVERYTHING. IT IS ONE TOOL IN OUR TOOL KIT. I BELIEVE THIS ALONG WITH SEVERAL OTHER INITIATIVES WORKING TOGETHER DO MAKE A DENT. AND FINALLY, ONE PERSON CAN'T SOLVE ALL A THESE ISSUES AT YOU. I CAN'T DO IT ALONE. SO I'M ASKING MY COLLEAGUES HERE ON THE DIAS TO HELP ME HELP OUR COMMUNITY, HELP MY CITY. I'M ASKING EVERYBODY SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, I'M PROTECTING YOUR PERMITS RIGHT NOW, BUT WE ALSO HAVE OTHER ISSUES BEYOND OUR OWN, AND I NEED YOUR HELP, ALSO, TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY. WITH THAT, I URGE EVERYBODY'S SUPPORT. >> OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS CARL. >> CARL: GOOD EVENING COUNCIL. GREAT TO BE HERE AGAIN. I AM CARL VIDEL, I AM ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS OF THE NEW MEXICO SHORT-TERM RENTAL ASSOCIATION. I'M ALSO THE AUTHOR OF THE 2023 ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDY OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THE STATE, AND IT DOES BREAK DOWN BERNALILLO COUNTY AS WELL AS ALL THE OTHER COUNTIES ACROSS THE STATE. I WISH THOSE MAPS WERE STILL UP, BECAUSE I COULD ADDRESS EACH ONE OF THOSE INDIVIDUALLY, AND SHOW WHERE IT IS FLAWED. YOU KNOW, STATE WIDE, LAST YEAR, WE DID 1 BILLION-DOLLAR AS ECONOMIC IMPACT ACROSS THE STATE. AND WE DID $82 MILLION IN TAXES. AND THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE PROPERTY TAX. IN ALBUQUERQUE ALONE, WE DID $145 MILLION OF ECONOMIC IMPACT. AND WE DID $11.5 MILLION IN TAXES. AGAIN, INCLUDING PROPERTY TAX. THEN YOU GET INTO THE JOBS. HERE LOCALLY IN ALBUQUERQUE, BERNALILLO COUNTY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 3200 JOBS OF PEOPLE THAT MAKE A LIVING OFF OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FAMILIES THAT DO THAT. ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES I SEE WITH THE MAP THAT WAS UP THERE IS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GREATEST TOURISM ZONES OF ALBUQUERQUE. OLD TOWN, DOWNTOWN, NOB HILL, UNM, AND THE AIRPORT AREA. THAT IS TOURISM IN ALBUQUERQUE. AND WHEN THIS BILL DOES IS IT ELIMINATES COMPETITION FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS, AND IT GIVES IT TO THE HOTEL INDUSTRY. AND IT TAKES OVER $2 MILLION TO BUY A HOTEL. WE SIMPLY CAN'T AFFORD T WE ARE NOT ELITE. WE DON'T HAVE MONEY LIKE THAT. AND I THINK PROBABLY THE OTHER THING THAT'S MISSING IN THAT DATA IS THE NO. OF FULL-TIME RENTALS. IT IS NOT ADDRESSED THERE. DOIL AND A HALVING YOU FOR COMING IN. I KNOW WE NEED TO HEAR FROM EVERYONE, AND I KNOW YOU REPRESENT THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS, AND WE NEED TO HEAR FROM YOU ALL AND YOUR CONCERNS. IF SEEMS LIKE THE REASON WHY THAT THERE ARE THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT EXIST RIGHT NOW I ASSUME IS BECAUSE THERE IS A DEMAND FOR IT. IT IF THERE WASN'T A DEMAND, THEN THEY WOULD NATURALLY BE REDUCED AND PEOPLE WOULD OCCUPY THEIR HOMES. SO IF IT WERE LIMITED, YOU KNOW, AND AN ABILITY TO GROW IN A CERTAIN AREA, WHERE PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO USE THEIR RESIDENCES IN THAT WAY, AND YOU ALREADY ALLUDED TO THIS, BUT WHERE WOULD THAT DEMAND GO? >> IT IS VERY INTERESTING. I MEAT WITH FIVE CABINET SECRETARIES FROM THE GOV'S OFFICE OVER THE SUMMER. -- FROM THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE OVER THE SUMMER. I DISCUSSED THE FINDINGS WITH THEM. ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMMENTS THAT TRUCK ME FROM THAT MEETING WAS FROM SECRETARY LANSING ADAMS IN HOSPITALITY, AND THEY HAVE EXTREME CONCERNS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PLACE FORCE PEOPLE TO STAY IN NEW MEXICO, AND THAT IT IS GOING TO EFFECT TOURISM. AND THAT OUR HOTEL L RATES ARE HIGHER THAN THEY SHOULD BE COMPARED TO THE STATES AROUND US, AND THEY ARE WORRIED THAT IF THEY GET ANY HIGHER, THAT WE ARE GOING TO LOSE THAT TOURISM. I KNOW THAT NEW YORK CITY BAND SHORT-TERM RENTALS LAST YEAR. THEIR HOUSING PROBLEM, AND THERE WAS AN ARTICLE ON THIS, THE HOUSING CONCERNS DID NOT GET RESOLVED FOR LONG-TERM HOUSING. THEY SAID IT WAS ZERO IMPACT. BUT THE HOTEL RATES WENT UP EIGHT AND A HALF PERCENT. IF YOU ADD EIGHT AND A HALF PERCENT ON TO OUR HOTEL RATES, IT IS GOING TO EFFECT TOURISM, AND I'M SURE THE HOTEL OPERATORS ARE GOING TO BE DELIGHTED, GRINDING EAR TO EAR, BUT IT IS NOT GOOD FOR TOURISM IN NEW MEXICO. AND I WOULD ALSO SAY FOR THE LONG LIVE SPACE INDUSTRY, WE HOST TRAVELING NURSE, WE HOST CONTRACTORS, WE HOST THE NETFLIX AND ALL OF THAT, AND IF WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO SUPPLEMENT OUR INVENTORY, WITH SHORTER TERM RESERVATION, THEN WE CONTACT KEEP THAT AVAILABLE FOR THE MID TERM STAYS LIKE THE TRAVELING NURSE, BECAUSE IT IS RARE THAT YOU GET A BACK TO BACK TRAVELING NURSE EVERY NINETY DAYS. YOU GET A TRAVELING NURSE FOR NINETY DAYS, AND THEN YOU CAN GO 40 DAYS WITHOUT ANYTHING, AND THEN ANOTHER TRAVELING NURSE. WE NEED THE ABILITY TO FILL THAT 40 DAYS IN THERE AND GENERATE MONEY. THERE IS ONE FINAL THING ON HERE ABOUT HOUSING AND SHORT-TERM RENTALS, AN ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDY. THERE ARE 4320 SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT POP UP ON THE MAP THAT YOU DAYS THERE ACROSS THE CITY. OF, THOSE 8 PERCENT OF THEM ARE FULL-TIME. MEANING THAT THEY ARE RENTED MORE THAN 11 MONTH A YEAR. THERE IS ADDITIONAL 27 PERCENT THAT REPRESENT 890 HOUSES THAT ARE SEMI FULL-TIME, WHERE THEY RENTED BETWEEN 6 MONTHS TO 11 MONTHS, INDICATING ITS HOMEOWNERS ARE USING THEM FOR AT LEAST 30 DAYS, BUT MOST INSTANCES HALF A YEAR, AND THEN OF THE 3325 UNITS, 65 PERCENT OF THESE ARE PART-TIME. SO WHEN WE SAY THAT IT IS GOING AREA BY AREA, TO ALL THE DIFFERENT AREAS THAT, THERE ARE THIS MANY AIR B AND BS, YES, THERE ARE, BUT THEY ARE NOT ALL FULL-TIME UNIT. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FAMILIES THAT RENT OUT THEIR HOUSES WHEN THEY ARE ON VACATION TO EARN EXTRA INCOME, TO COVER MORTGAGE PAYMENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT. MY DATA, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE MOST EXPERT ON DATA IN SHORT-TERM BE RENTALS, IN THIS CITY, WE HAVE 276 FULL-TIME RENTALS ACROSS THE CITY. CREATING A BAN OR RESTRICTION ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN NO WAY IS GOING TO SOLVE OUR HOUSING PROBLEM. >> Pres. Lewis: THANK YOU. SOME OF THE BASIC ECONOMICS, REGULATING APPLY SUPPLY, INCREASING. DEMAND, PUTS PRESSURE ON THE HOTEL INDUSTRY, INCREASES PRICES EVERYWHERE, AND ULTIMATELY DOESN'T SOLVE THE HOUSING ISSUE IN THAT REGARD. I MEAN WE APPRECIATE THE DATA. AND AGAIN, GOOD INFORMATION THAT WE NEED. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: I AM SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF THE ORDINANCE. IF YOU ALL GO TO AIR B AND A, A,.ORG, IT IS AN ONLINE DATA CENTER FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS, AND YOU LOOK UP ALBUQUERQUE AND FINLD THE INFORMATION THERE. MOST AIR B AND B, THE SHORT-TERM, HAVE AN OCCUPANCY RATE OF 57 PERCENT, MEANING ON ANY GIVEN NIGHT, THERE ARE ABOUT A THROUGH ARE EMPTY HERE. WITH THE MEDIAN, WHAT IS IT, AMOUNT OF BEDROOMS FOR EACH OF THOSE, WE COULD HOUSE EVERYONE SHELTERED PERSON, EVERY SINGLE NIGHT. OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS, AND THESE NOT WHAT THIS ORDINANCE DOES, BUT MAYBE WE SHOULD PUT SOME GUIDE RAILS TO PREVENT THAT FACT FROM BEING TRUE IN THE FUTURE, WHEN WE HAVE EVEN MORE UNHOUSED PEOPLE. I ENCOURAGE YOUR SUPPORT. ALSO, KEEP IN MIND, I AM IN THE PAID TO BE HERE, AND HE WAS. >> GREG: GOOD EVENING CITY COUNCIL. I'M GREG KAUFMAN. I'M AN AIR B AND B HOST. I'M ALSO A LICENSED NEW MEXICO REAL ESTATE AGENT. I'M OPPOSED TO THIS BILL. SOMETIME LAST YEAR, WE MET AND DISCUSSED THE BILL. AT THAT TIME, WE HAD ABOUT, AS I REMEMBER, ABOUT A 1500 HOUSES IN INVENTORY FOR SALE IN ALBUQUERQUE. TORQUED WE HAVE ABOUT 2800 HOUSES -- TODAY, WE HAVE ABOUT 28 HOUSES AND IT IS STEADILY GOING O UP. SO THE INVENTORY IN THE AREA OF WHERE MOST AIR B AND BS ARE, THAT'S INCREASING. I REPRESENT FAMILIES THAT WANT TO BUY HOMES, AND IN THAT PRICE RANGE, THEY ARE ABLE TO BUY A HOME. THE HOUSES -- AND WHAT I LOVE ABOUT BEING AN AIR B AND B HOST, AND WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THE CITY, AND THE FACT THAT THE CITY IS NEVER BEEN RESTRICTIVE ON HOMEOWNERS, AND ALLOW US TO DO SOME AMAZING STUFF, IS I'VE BEEN ABLE TO GO INTO NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THERE WERE HOUSE THAT IS WERE UNLIVABLE, NOBODY WANTED TO TURN IT INTO ANY TYPE OF RENTAL PROPERTY, THE NEIGHBORS WERE CALLING THE POLICE RIGHT AND LEFT TO GET THE SQUATTERS OUT, I WAS ABLE TO GO IN SEE THE POTENTIAL, BRING LIFE INTO THESE, PUT MY LIFE SAVINGS INTO THEM, AND IN THE PROCESS, I HIRED LOCAL PLUMBERS, ELECTRICIANS FRAMERS PAINTERS ROOFERS, LOCAL DUMPSTER GUY. I NOW EMPLOY CLEANERS AND MANAGERS, AND I'VE GIVEN THEM A LIVABLE WAGE, AND A WAY FOR THEM TO LIVE HAPPILY IN THE CITY. AND I FULLY BELIEVE -- I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE DO THIS, WITHOUT ANY TYPE OF RESTRICTION. I THINK THERE IS FAIR ENTERPRISE THAT HAS BEEN CONTROLLING THIS VERY WELL. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. >> ADELE: ALBUQUERQUE CITY COUNCIL PRESIDENT DAN LEWIS, CITY COUNCILORS, I'M ALSO NOT PAID TO BE HERE. I'M A VOLUNTEER. BUT I WANT TO TAKE A SECOND AND I HOPE THAT YOU'LL GIVE ME AS MUCH GRACE AS YOU CAN GIVE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PAID TO BE HERE. SO I DON'T OWN A ESTABLISHING IN AIR B AND B, BUT I THINK IT IS JUST NOT EFFICIENT. SHORT-TERM RENTALS HAVE PROVEN THAT THEY WANT TO BE MID TERM RENTALS ANYWAY. I THINK THAT WE'RE ASKING THE WRONG QUESTIONS HERE, AND I THINK THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE PEOPLE THE IDEA OF, THIS IS WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE METRIC FOR HOUSING. WE ARE TRYING TO LOWER THAT BAR. AND I THINK WE NEED TO RAISE THAT BAR. I DON'T THINK THAT SHORT-TERM HOUSING, WHEN SOMEBODY IS HOMELESS, IS NECESSARILY THE SOLUTION. I THINK WE NEED TO FOCUS MUCH MORE ON MID TERM HOUSING. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THESE SHORT-TERM RENTALS COULD BE MORE EFFECTIVE, MORE -- BETTER FOR EVERYONE IF THEY WERE ALLOWED TO BE MID TERM RENTALS. I REALLY DON'T SEE THE APPEAL IN HOW YOU CALL IT A HOME IF YOU DIDN'T FURNISH IT. THAT'S JUST A BIG HOTEL. AND AS MUCH AS WE FEEL ABOUT HOTELS, I THINK THAT I WOULD RATHER HAVE MORE PEOPLE LIVING HERE IN ALBUQUERQUE THAN, AND THOSE PEOPLE LIVING HERE WHO WORK FOR A LIVING, RATHER THAN PEOPLE WHO OWN STUFF FOR A LIVING. THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, WE ARE HERE AGAIN. IT SEEMS LIKE THIS ORDINANCE IS A RECURRING ISSUE THAT WE CONTINUALLY NEED TO SPEAK ABOUT. A FEW THINGS THAT I WANT TO POINT OUT, COUNCILLOR BACA, AND I RESPECT YOUR POX. POSITION.I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOUG FROM. HOUSING IS DEFINITELY AN ISSUE NATIONWIDE AND PRICING IS AS WELL. I'LL TELL YOU I'M A PART OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR THE GREATER ALBUQUERQUE AREA REAL, TO AND HOUSING IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME, NOT JUST AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL INVESTOR, BUT AS SOMEONE WHO FRIES TO HELP PUT PEOPLE INN HOUSES, AND SELLING HOUSES. THERE ARE OVER 2100 THOUSANDS AVAILABLE IN THE GREATER ALBUQUERQUE AREA, MORE THAN IN FOUR AND A HALF YEARS, AND DOWNTOWN, A BARELAS, SANTA BARBARA AREA, THERE ARE MORE THAN 50, I JUST PULLED OUT. THE AVERAGE PRICE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IN THIS AREA IS $230,000, WHICH IS AS AFFORDABLE AS WE CAN GET RATE NOW, ITS AS AFFORD AND AS IT HAS BEEN IN A WHILE SO I'M NOT INSENSITIVE TO THE IDEA BEHIND IT. WHAT I AM INSENSITIVE TO IS THE IDEA OF RESTRICT BEING THE PROPERTY LIGHTS RITES THAT I, AS A LOCAL BUSINESS PERSON, AS WELL AS AN INVESTOR, AND A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AM MAKING A LIVING ON, AND SUPPLYING OPPORTUNITIES NOT JUST FOR MY MANAGERS, AND MY CLEANERS, AND MY LANDSCAPERS, AND LOCAL BUSINESSES THAT I USE TO MAKE MY CANDLES, AND THE LITTLE THINGS, THE BLOOMING CONNECTIONS THAT I HAVE, THE WINERIES, ALL THE THINGS THAT MAKE OUR CITY AND STATE GREAT, I WOULD ASK THAT WE OPPOSE IT AND THINK LONG AND HARD ABOUT RESTRICT BEING THE NUMBER ONE INDUSTRY IN OUR CITY AND STATE, WHICH IS TRAVEL. THANK YOU. >> ANDREA: HELLO. NICE TO MEET YOU ALL. I'M A FIVE YEAR RESIDENT OF BARELAS. I HAVE A TRIPLEX A FEW BLOCKS SOUTH OF HERE. I'M A 20 YEAR MEMBER OF THE NEW MEXICO FILM N COMMUNITY, AND VERY SUPPORTIVE. WHAT AIR B AND B DID FOR US, IS GIVE US A PLACE TO LAND WHEN WE HAD PEOPLE COMING INTO OUR PLACE WHEN WE WERE GONE. IT PROVIDED A SERVICE THAT WE WERE USING CRAIG'S LIST FOR, WHICH WAS NEVER SAFE, WASN'T ANY INSURANCE INVOLVED, THERE WASN'T ANY PROTOCOLS, THE WHOLE ENTIRE FILM COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW IS NOT WORKING. THERE ARE VERY LIMITED SHOWS RIGHT HERE. WE ARE PUMPING MONEY INTO BUILDING SPACES WITHOUT REQUIRING THE STUDIOS TO PUT THE WORK HERE. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE DEPENDING ON AIR B AND B, AND THAT'S BEEN THE NAME OF THE GAME FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS, HOW TO GET THE CREWS TO SPEND, TO SURVIVE IN AN AREA WHEN THE FILM INDUSTRY HAS BEEN CLOSED. SO I UNDERSTAND THERE IS A HOUSING SHORTAGE, BUT THAT IS NOT ALL WHAT AIR B AND B IS USED FOR. SO THERE DID HE HAVE NETLY NEED TO BE CONSIDERATION FOR THE FILM COMMUNITY HERE WHO ARE LOSING THEIR HOUSES. THOSE OF US WHO DON'T HAVE AIR B AND B, ARE NOW FIRE SALING BECAUSE THERE IS NO WORK. THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SAY. >> SPEAKER: WOULD IT BE ALL RIGHT IF SPEAK TOGETHER? >> Pres. Lewis: YOU EACH HAVE TWO MINUTES, BUT TAKE THE TWO MINUTES TOGETHER, IF YOU LIKE. >> OKAY. WE HAVE FOUR HISTORIC ADOBE HOMES ON ONE PROPERTY ON OLD TOWN ROAD. THEY ARE ALL WITHIN 330 FEET OF ONE ANOTHER, SO YOU CAN SEE WHY THIS AMENDMENT IS VERY CONCERNING TO ME PERSONALLY. I KNOW MY SITUATION MAY NOT BE THE NORM FOR STR OWNERS, BUT I KNOW OTHERS IN THE SAME SITUATION, WITH MULTIPLE UNITS ON ONE PROPERTY. I HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND MONEY IN CREATING MORE THAN JUST A RENTAL PROPERTY. I CREATED A HOSPITALITY BUSINESS. IMAGINE SOMETHING LIKE A MINIATURE LOS POBLANSO. JUST TOWN THE STREET, THERE IS ANOTHER BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY WITH SIX UNITS, ALL BEING RENTED SHORT-TERM. BOTH OF OUR BUSINESSES AND OTHERS LIKE OURS WOULD BE DEVASTATED BY THIS AMENDMENT. PUTTING A STOP TO SMALL HOSPITALITY BUSINESSES LIKE OURS WOULD HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS MENTIONED IN THE ORDINANCE. IF PRESERVING THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD MATTERS TO THE CITY, I HOPE YOU'LL UNDERSTAND THAT SHR PROPERTIES ARE WELL THAT I KNOWED BY NECESSITY. THINK OF WHEN A PERSON SELLS THEIR HOME, THEY FIX IT UP JUST IN TIME TO PUT IT ON THE MARKET. SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE ON THE MARKET EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR. THEY ALWAYS HAVE TO LOOK THEIR BEST. BEYOND ELEVATING THE APPEARANCE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, MY STR BENEFIT THE ECONOMY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE ORDINANCE MENTIONS THAT STR ARE MORE HEAVILY CONCENTRATED IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY. MAYBE IT IS BECAUSE CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY NEED MORE TOURISTS IN ORDER TO THRIVE. MAKING AN AREA LIKE OLD TOWN ACCESSIBLE TO TOURISTS IS A BENEFIT IN TERMS STFT WAY THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOOKS, FEELS, AND FUNCTIONS. OUR GUSTS ARE COMING TO ENJOY SOME OF THE BEST SHOPPING, DINING, AND CULTURAL EXPERIENCES THAT ALBUQUERQUE HAS TO OFFER. THEY ARE HERE TO SPEND MONEY AT SMALL LOCAL BUSINESSES. THE FACT THAT I CAN HOST THEM IN A BEAUTIFULLY RESTORED UNIQUE ADOBE HOME RIGHT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THEY WANT TO ?EAN MONEY ONLY ADDS TO THEIR POSITIVE EXPERIENCE IN ALBUQUERQUE AND BENEFITS THE DISE AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. >> WE KNEW WE WOULD GO A LITTLE OVER. >> Pres. Lewis: THANK YOU. >> VINCENT: MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS. I AM OPPOSED TO O-24-40. LIMITING SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND AIR B AND BS, ONLY LEAVES ROOM FOR LARGE HOTELS, RUINS THE CHARACTER OF ALBUQUERQUE. IT DOESN'T KEEP LARGE COMPANIES FROM PUTTING UP HOTELS AND LISTING THEM ON AIR B AND B, AND PUSHING THE LOCAL HOST OF THESE AREAS OUT. IT IS A PAGE OUT OF THE NEW DEAL. THE GOVERNMENT HOMEOWNER SHIP PROGRAM OF THE 1930S, THE SPEAR HEADING OF THAT PROGRAM WAS RED LINING WHICH SEGREGATED CITY, DISPLACE SD MINORITIES, AND KEPT THEM FROM OWNERSHIP. LARRY BARKER OF NEWS 13 HIGHLIGHTED THE EFFECTS BEFORE RED LINING IN ALBUQUERQUE FOUR YEARS AS AND THEY SHOWED THE MAP OF THE RED LINING THAT WAS DESIGNATED AS WHITES ONLY. THE MAP LOOKS VERY SIMILAR TO THE YELLOW LINE MAP THAT WAS POINTED AT ABOVE, AND I COPIED IS THAT ONE FROM NEWS 13. IT SEEMS THE CREATOR OF THIS BILL HAVE ONLY LOOKED TO CONTROL THE FABRIC OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AGAIN WITH A MODERN DAY RED LINING TO PROTECT BIG HOTELS. IT IS ALARMING TO SEE BILLS THAW LINES AROUND NEIGHBORHOODS AND KEEP PEOPLE FROM ENTERING INTO MARKET. I WOULD LIKE THE NEXT GENERATION TO ALSO ABLE TO DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH THEIR PROPERTIES, AND THEIR HOMES. AND NOT HAVE A MAP THAT LIMITS THEIR OPTIONS ON THE PROPERTIES THAT THEY INHERIT FROM THEIR FAMILIES AND HOW THEY CAN USE IT. AND HURTING FUTURE GENERATIONS FROM HAVING THE SAME OPPORTUNITIES AS YOU AND I. WE CAN'T GET OPTIONS OF HOME OWNERSHIP, BECAUSE A NEIGHBOR WAS OLD ARE THAN ME. AMERICA WAS BUILT ON FREE MARKET AND THIS YELLOW LINE PRESCRENTS THAT. IT CREATES AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE FOR HOTELS AND THE GENERATIONS THAT COME AFTER US. >> SPEAKER: GOOD EVENING. I'M OPPOSED TO THE BILL BECAUSE I USE AIR B AND B TO SUBSIDIZE HOUSING FOR MY EMPLOYEES. I HAVE A LOT OF EMPLOYEES THAT COME FROM THE GREATER GALLUP AREA, AND THEY COME HERE DURING THE WEEK TO WORK, AND THEY CAN'T AFFORD LODGING HERE. SO I PROVIDE THE HOUSE AND I SUBSIDIZE THAT WITH A WEEK END RENTAL. WITH THIS BILL, IT WOULD LIMIT THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES WHO WANT TO COME IN AND WORK HARD. WE HAVE A $250 MILLION CONSTRUCTION PROJECT GOING RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY. WE NEED MORE CONSTRUCTION WORKERS TO COULD THAT. AND THEY ARE NOT COMING FROM INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS OF ALBUQUERQUE. THEY ARE COMING FROM OUTSIDE. AND MY EMPLOYEES DON'T WANT TO BUY ALL THEIR MEALS AT RESTAURANTS. THEY WANT TO COOK IT IN A KITCHEN. AND THIS IS ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE DO THAT. SO PLEASE REJECT THIS BILL AND ALLOW US TO BETTER HOUSE OUR GUYS AND GIVE THEM BETTER FUTURES. >> KRISTIN: GOOD EVENING PRESIDENT LEWIS, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. THANK YOU WILL FOR GIVING US THE TIME TO SPEAK THIS EVENING REGARDING THIS BILL. THIS BILL CALLS OUT THE PURPOSE OF INCREASING LONG-TERM HOUSING. HOWEVER, IT HAS THE OPPOSITE EFFECT. SIMILAR BILLS THAT HAVE BEEN PASSED IN CITIES LIKE MIAMI AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAVE ACTUALLY INCREASED THE COST OF HOUSING IN THE VERY AREAS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND MORE LONG-TERM HOUSING AVAILABLE. THIS BILL IS SIMILAR TO SPOT ZONING. IT HAS EQUIVALENT EFFECTS AD VERSELY EFFECT BEING THE VALUE OF HOMES RATHER THAN MAKING HOMES MORE AFFORDABLE BY INCREASING THE VALUE AND MAKING A SUPPLY AND DEMAND ISSUE IN AN AREA WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE SUPPLY AND DEMAND ISSUES. SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE BEING TARGETED AS THE REASON FOR HIGH RENT AND LACK OF AFFORD APARTMENT HOUSING WITHOUT TAKING INTO FACT THE INTEREST RATES HAVE MORE THAN DOUBLED IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS. INFLATION, HIGH CRIME RATES, AND THE INCREASE OF THE TOTAL POPULATION IN ALBUQUERQUE OF OVER $13,000, FROM 2022 TO 2023 YOU AN LOAN, HAS INCREASED THE LACK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SHORT-TERM RENTALS SHIFT THE INCOME FROM LARGE HOTEL CHAINS TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS IN OUR COMMUNITY LIKE YOU AND I, OUR FAMILIES, WHO ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO SPEND MONEY IN OUR COMMUNITY AND CREATE AN ECONOMIC IMPACT, RATHER THAN TAKING MONEY OUT OF OUR STATE. COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE STATED TODAY THAT SHORT-TERM RENTALS FOR TRAVELING NURSES IS VESM NEEDED, AND WE ALSO TODAY THAT THE CITY GRANTED THE MARRIOTT A TAX ABATEMENT IN THE SAME AREA THAT HAS BEEN OUTLINED FOR THESE SHORT-TERM HOUSING DISTRICTS. THIS BENEFITS LARGE CORPORATE INVESTORS AND HOTEL CHAINS, AND DOES NOT BENEFIT OUR COMMUNITIES, AND DOES NOT INCREASE AFFORDABLE OR LONG-TERM HOUSING. I STAND IN OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. >> STACY: HI, I'M STACY. GOOD EVENING COUNCILORS. BORN AND RAISED IN NEW MEXICO. LOCAL. A FATHER TO TWO LITTLE GIRLS. CONTRACTOR FOR 25 YEARS. I BUILD HOUSES WITH MY HANDS, ARE RENOVATE THEM, AND RENT THEM OUT. SOME OF THEM ARE SHORT-TERM RENTALS, SOME ARE LONG-TERM, SOME I BUILD AND SELL, SOME I BUILD FOR CLIENTS. WHAT I SEE HAPPENING AGAIN THIS YEAR IS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO STIFLE SMALL BUSINESS AND TOURISM. I HAVE THREE BUILDINGS IN THE AREA THAT IS PROPOSED TO SHUT SHORT-TERM RENTALS. THOSE BUILDINGS WERE ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE NEWSPAPER LAST YEARS, ON ANOTHER BILL. THAT BUILDING WAS A DELAP DATED BE BUILDING BUILT IN 19121, THAT I PUT A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS IN, AND KEEP UP. IT IS A GORGEOUS BUILDING THAT CONTRIBUTES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE METRICS TONIGHT THAT WERE PRESENTED ARE ACTUALLY WRONG. I HAVE ACTUALLY BUILT MANY BUILDINGS BASED ON THE FACT I CAN DO SHORT-TERM RENTALS WITH THEM. THE NUMBERS WOULDN'T WORK OTHERWISE. THESE BUILDINGS WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN RENOVATED IF THEY WERE LONG-TERM RENTALS. THEY CAN GET RENOVATED, CREATE INCOME, AND THEN ADD TO THE PORTFOLIO OF HOUSING IN OUR COMMUNITY. THESE ARE PROJECT TOOLS OTHERWISE PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED. I WILL ALSO ADD, AS LOCAL, ALL OF THESE BUILDING THAT IS I BUILT REQUEST MYOPE HANDS, AND MANAGE, ARE IN A TRUST NOW FOR MY DAUGHTERS. I'M OPPOSED TO THIS BILL. I THINK WHAT WE OUGHT TO DO IS WE OUGHT TO ENFORCE THE BILLS THAT YOU GUYS ALREADY HAVE, THAT WOULD CLOSE DOWN 40 PERCENT OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS, AND YOU'VE NEVER BOTHERED TO ENFORCE IT. AND THIS IS THE SAME THING I SAID LAST YEAR. YOU GUYS ENFORCE THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE PERMITS, AND YOU COULD CLOSE DOWN THIS WEEK. CLOSE DOWN 40 PERCENT OF THEM. IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PERMIT, YOU DON'T HAVE AN AIR B AND B. >> MR. PRESIDENT, THE ZOOM SPEAKER HAS DECLINED TO SPEAK. SO WE MOVE ON TO LESLIE CURTIS ON ZOOM. >> LESLIE: HELLO, GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS CHRIS LESLIE CURTIS AND I'M PRESIDENT OF THE NEW MEXICO SHORT-TERM RENTALS ASSOCIATION, A 501C 6 NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT PROMOTES RESPONSIBLE SHORT-TERM RENTAL HOSTING AND ADVOCATES FOR REASONABLE REGULATIONS, AND I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT I AM NOT BEING PAID TO BE HERE, NOR WAS CARL VIDEL. WE ARE VOLUNTEERS AND ADVOCATE FOR SMALL BUSINESS AND REASONABLE REGULATION, PERIOD. I HAVE L WRITTEN OUT A TWO MINUTE SPEECH THAT I WILL BRIEFLY GO THROUGH, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE PROVIDING SOME LENIENCY IN THE COMMENT. TODAY I AM PRESENT TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED COUNCIL BILL 2440 TO CREATE A SEPARATION REQUIREMENT OF 30 FEET IN THE DESIGNATED NEIGHBORHOOD AREAS AS DEFINED IN THE COUNCIL BILL. I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT I AM A SECOND GENERATION NEW MEXICAN AND MY PARENTS, ED AND SHIRLEY LESLIE, WERE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS THAT STARTED THEIR BUSINESS IN 1950 IN ALBUQUERQUE, AND MY SIBLINGS AND MYSELF CONTINUE TO OPERATE THAT SMALL BUSINESS TODAY. SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL SHORT-TERM SMALL BUSINESSES. RUN BY INDIVIDUAL OWNERS SUCH AS MYSELF. I AM ALSO A SINGLE PARENT. THAT OWNS A SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN ALBUQUERQUE AND THAT INCOME FROM THIS HAS ASSISTED ME IN PUTTING MY TWO DAUGHTERS THROUGH MEDICAL SCHOOL AND COLLEGE. SHORT-TERM RENTALS PROVIDE MANY MID CLASS OWNERS WITH INCOME, AS WELL AS PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AND MAINTENANCE COST. DATA SHOWS THAT MOST SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE INDIVIDUALS SUCH AS MYSELF THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE OWNERS WHO MAINTAIN THEIR PROPERTIES, ENSURE THEIR GUESTS RESPECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN WHICH THEY OPERATE, AND I ADD SOMETHING, NO ONE HERE REALLY WANTS TO BELIEVE, BUT LOOK AT THE DATA THAT ADDRESSES THE FALSE NARRATIVE THAT SHORT-TERM RENTALS NEGATIVELY IMPACT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IN THE NEWLY PUBLISHED ECONOMIC IMPACT CITIED AUTHORED BY CARL AND ENDORSED BY OUR ORGANIZATION, THERE IS NO CLEAR EVIDENCE THAT THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS IS DRIVING THE HOUSING SHORT AMG IN BERNALILLO COUNTY. MOST SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE PART PEOPLE TIMES, AND USED BY MID AND LONG-TERM RENTAL, AND USED BY THEIR OWNERS 30 TO 100 DAYS A YEAR. THIS HOUSING NEEDED AND LIMIT SOMETHING SHORT-TERM RENTALS FOR TRAVELING NURSES AND THE FILM INDUSTRY IS SHORT-SIGHTED. >> Pres. Lewis: DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELIMINATES WHO WANTS TO ?E. >> YES, MR. PRESIDENT. WE HAVE ANTHONY. >> HELLO BEING COUNCIL. THANK YOU GUYS FOR HAVING ME TODAY. MY NAME IS AND ON THIS ANYS IS I OWN MANY MANY SHORT-TERM RENTALS. MANY YOU KNOW MANY OF THOSE AREAS ARE HEAVILY IMPACTED BY DRUGS AND GANG VIOLENCE IN THE PAST. MANY OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE PARTICIPATED IN THOSE ACTIVITIES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE EITHER DIED OR WENT TO PRISON, OR JUST MOVED, BECAUSE FEAR OF THEIR FAMILIES BEING AROUND VIOLENCE AND SUCH. AND SO DESPITE HAVING SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE GONE OUT OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS, WE STILL HAVE STORIES ABOUT HOW THESE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE NEGATIVELY IMPACTED BY THOSE THINGS. BUT THESE PEOPLE HAVE LEFT, AND THEN YOU HAVE INVESTORS LIKE MYSELF WHO ARE TRYING TO CREATE OPPORTUNITIES AND USE THESE PROPERTIES TO BRING TRAFFIC IN BRING TRAVELERS IN, AND HELP GENTRY IF I INDICATION IN OUR AREAS: YOU KNOW IF A LOT OF THE GUEST THAT IS COME THROUGH IN OUR PROPERTIES, THEY EXPRESS GRATITUDE FOR TAKE TO BE GUIDED BASICALLY THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND UNDERSTAND WHICH AREAS TO VISIT, AND LEARN MORE ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. A LOT OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LOCAL, AND WERE AFRAID OF GOING NOORL THE NEIGHBORHOOD, DUE TO STUFF IN THE PAST, ARE NOW INTERESTED AND TRYING TO MOVE BACK IN. WE CREATE RAPPORT AND FEELING OF SAFETY WHEN WE WORK WITH TRAVELERS WHO COME IN, AND THEY WANT SOMEONE TO GUIDE THEM IN THOSE AREAS. AND I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT A LOT OF THE TIMES, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTIES THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT INVESTING INTO VERY RARELY ARE TURN DEPROPERTIES. WE ARE TAKING DID I LAP DATED PROPERTIES AND * DILAPIDATED PROPERTIES AND DURING THEM AROUND INTO SOMETHING UNIQUE, CREATING A PLACE FOR TRAVELERS TO COME, AND CREATE JENTRIFICATION HAPPENING. I AM OPPOSED TO THE BILLS. WHEN WE HAVE PROPERTIES CLOSE TO EACH OTHER, WE ARE BETTER ABLE TO HAVE CONTROL THE ENVIRONMENT AND GIVE PEOPLE A HIGHER QUALITY EXPERIENCE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. >> CHERISH MULLINS. >> HELLO. I'M SORRY, I'M NOT TOO FAMILIAR WITH THIS. MY NAME IS CHERISH MULLINS. GOOD EVENING, COIFNL I'M HERE TO EXPRESS MY DEEP CONCERN ABOUT A BILL THAT IF PASSED WILL HAVE SEVERE REPERCUSSIONS ON MY LIVELIHOOD AND WHO DEPEND ON ME. THIS AIR B AND B IS MY SOLE SOURCE OF INCOME AND PROVIDES CRUCIAL WORK OPPORTUNITIES FOR OTHERS, PARTICULARLY SINGLE MOTHERS, WHO LIKE I ONCE DID. WE NEED FLEXIBLE HOURS TO MANAGE BOTH WORKS AND FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES. THIS BILL UNDERMINES NOT JUST MY INCOME, BUT THE INCOME OF MY CLEANERS, DEDICATED INDIVIDUALS WHO RELY ON THIS JOB TO SUPPORT THEIR FAMILIES. MANY OF THESE WOMEN ARE SIJ MOTHERS WHO STRUG TO FIND WORK THAT FITS AROUND THEIR CHILDREN'S NEEDS. WITHOUT THIS JOB, THEY FACE THE EVEN HARDER STRUGGLE TO MAKE ENDS MEET F THIS BILL PASS IT WILL FORCE ME TO WORK LONGER AND WHRAITER HOURS, WHICH MEANS I WILL MISS OUT ON IMPORTANT MOMENTS WITH MY SOFNLT I WON'T ABLE TO DROP HIM OFF AT SCHOOL, ATTEND SCHOOL EVENTS, OR BE HOME WITH HIM AT REASONABLE TIMES. THIS WILL LEAD ME TO WORK LATE NIGHT SHIFTS, DRASTICALLY REDUCING THE QUALITY TIME I HAVE WITH MY FAMILY. AS A NATIVE AMERICAN WOMAN WHO TBHILT BUSINESS UP TO. THIS BUSINESS HAS LIFTED ME OFF STATE ASSISTANCE, LIKE FOOD STAMP, AND HAS GIVEN ME STABILITY, PEACE OF MIND, ALLOWING ME TO FOCUS ON MY FAMILY AND NOT CONSTANTLY WORRY ABOUT MAKING ENDS ME. I URGE YOU TO CONSIDER THE FAR REACHING IMPACT OF THIS BUILT, NOT JUST ON ME, BUT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY OF HARD WORKING INDIVIDUALS WHO RELY ON THIS FLEXIBLE WORK. PLEASE THINK ABOUT THE REAL LIFE CONESES FOR FAMILIES LIKE MINE, AND THE PEOPLE WE SUPPORT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION. >> MR. PRESIDENT, THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT. >> Pres. Lewis: COUNCILORS, BACKS ON THE BILL. ADMINISTRATION, DO YOU ALL HAVE AN OPINION ON THIS BILL? NOT NOW? OKAY. COUNCILORS, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE BILL? >> Coun. Baca: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. MR. VIDAL, IF YOU COULD E-MAIL ME YOUR REPORT, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT. IF YOU COULD ALSO ADD THE OTHER LIST OF ECONOMISTS WHO PEER-REVIEWED YOUR REPORT, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT AS WELL. THIS BODY HAS OFTEN SAID, INVITE PEOPLE INTO THEIR NEIGHBOR FOOD WITH AN EXPECTATION THAT THE INVESTMENT IS GOING TO POTENTIALLY STAY THE SAME. I CAN SPEAK FROM EXPERIENCE HOW THIS EFFECTS PEOPLE. I OWNED A HOME ON 12 STREET, DOWN THE ROAD. MY KIDS WERE BORN THERE. LOTS OF KIDS ON THAT REASON. RENTED IT OUT AS A LANDLORD FOR SEVERAL YEARS. CIPT IT UP. SOLD T DEPARTMENT LOOK TO SEE WHO WAS PURCHASING IT UNTIL AFTERWARDS. IT WAS AN AN OUT OF STATE INVESTOR. IT IS NOW EMPTY MOST OF THE TIME AS AN AIR B AND B. TWO OTHER HOMES ON THAT STREET ARE EMPTY MOAFTS TIME AS AIR B AND B. THAT STREET HAS DRASTICALLY CHANGED. MOREOVER, THOUGH, THE BIKE ISSUE, I DO BELIEVE IN PROTECTING SMALL BUSINESSES. EVERYBODY WHOEVER OWNS AS HAS * HAS A PERMIT, YOU WILL STILL HAVE YOUR AIR B AND B PERMIT. YOU WILL NOT LOSE THAT. YOU STAY IT WILL IMPACT YOUR CURRENT PERMIT THAT IS CORRECT FALSE. LET'S BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. AND THAT MATTERS. BECAUSE IT DOES MATTER TO ME THAT BALL SMALL BUSINESSES ARE PROTECTED. IT MATTERS TO NEEF THE HOTEL INDUSTRY IS PROTECTED. AND FINALLY, GOSHES I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT. OH. WE ARE A CITY COUNCIL. I'M A CITY COUNCILOR FOR DISTRICT 2. MY JOB IS TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ALL ASPECTS, ALL ISSUES. TOURISM IS AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT PART OF THIS AREA OF TOWN. TO MAKES IT DESIRABLE FOR SURE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE FILM INDUSTRY, WHICH I ABSOLUTELY CARE ABOUT OF THE AND I HAVE TO LOOK AT RESIDENTS, THE UNHOUSED PROBLEM, THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN LIVING HERE FOREVER. THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT ASPECTS TO WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO HELP OUR CITY. I'M PROTECTING YOUR PERMITS, YOUR CURRENT PERMITS. AND I'M WORKING TO HELP OUR RESIDENTS THAT LIVE HERE FULL-TIME THAT, WANT TO RAISE CHILDREN HERE FULL-TIME, I'M TRYING TO HELP OUR UNHOUSED ISSUE. WE CAN'T USE VOUCHERS, AND I WOULD LOVE HAD MR. VIDAL, IF YOU WOULD USE OUR HOMELESS VOUCHERS IN YOUR AIR B AND BS, THAT WOULD HELP THE ISSUE. THERE IS A LOT TO WEIGH AND BALANCE, AND MORE THAN HALF OF THE AIR B AND BS ARE IN THIS ONE LITTLE AREA, THAT'S NOT BALANCED. AGAIN, I'M ASKING FOR THE HELP OF MY COLLEAGUES AND THE PUBLIC TO HELP US ADDRESS A LOTS OF ISSUES. THANK YOU. >> Coun. Champine: IN DISTRICT 2, THE BOUNDLY SPECIFICALLY LOOKS TO INCORPORATE THE POCKETS OF POVERTY IN CENTRAL ALBUQUERQUE, AND MUCH YOU STATE 2 AND 6, IT DOESN'T STATE ANYTHING FOR DISTRICT 6. IS THERE A REASON FOR THAT? IS IT SPECIFICALLY ABOUT 2, AND WE ARE THROWING IN 6? I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IMPACTING DISTRICT 6? >> THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. FOR DISTRICT 6, WE LOOKED AT THE DATA FOR DISTRICT 6, HEAVILY THERE IN NOB HILL. WE DO HAVE QUITE A BIT OF AIR B AND BS. FOR ME, HEARING FROM CONSTITUENTS ON BOTH SIDES. IT IS DEFINITELY -- WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE NUMBERS BROKEN DOWN FOR DISTRICT 6, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE SOMEONE LIKE DOWNTOWN NEWS TO DO THAT FOR ME. THAT'S JUST HOW THAT CAME ABOUT, BECAUSE IT WAS AN OUTSIDE NEWS ONLY FOCUSES ON DOWNTOWN, THAT'S YESES WE HAVE THOSE NUMBERS. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. FOLLOW HUNDRED QUESTION. SAVINGS ARE LIMITED. L YOU LIMIT THE LOCATION TO NO MORE THAN A BLOCK AWAY, AND SOMEONE HAS TO, THEY PURCHASE THEIR HOUSE, THEY WANT TO DO AN AIR B AND B, AND NOW THIS CHANGES, DO THEY HAVE TO SELL IT. AND THOSE TWOAF SPECIFIC LOCATION, COUNSEL TOWN AND KNOB HIM, YOU'RE AVERAGING ANYWHERE, THE AVERAGE HOME SALE PRICE IS NOW, I WANT TO SAY, 365 FOR A TWO BEDROOM, TWO BATH -- WELL, THAT'S ON THE WEST SIDE. YOU TALK ABOUT THE NOB HILL AREA, YOU'RE IN THE 8900, 900S, IN CERTAIN SPOTS, AND THE LAGUNA AREA, YOU CAN BE 600 TO OVER A MILLION DOLLARS. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW LIMITING THE AIR B AND B AND FORCING THEM ON THE MARKET IS GOING TO HELP HOUSING WHEN OBVIOUSLY YOU HEARD, MOST OF IT THROUGH THE OTHER ORDINANCES THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IT SEEMS KIND OF COUNTERPRODUCTIVE IN A WAY. >> Coun. Baca: PLRNG AS YOU SAID, THE AVERAGE PRICE AROUND HERE IS AROUND $350,000. A TWO BED ROOM, NOT A THREE BEDROOM. NOT A TON OF THREE BEDROOMS IN THE NATURE, BECAUSE OF THE HISTORIC NATURE, AND THIS IS POVERTY. BARELAS, MARTINEZ TOWN. AT 350, YOU PRICE OUT A LOT OF PEOPLE. AND AS YOU SAY, THE AFFORDABLE, NOT THAT WE DON'T EVEN -- THE MARKET RATE PEOPLE ARE FILLING IN THE AFFORDABLE UNITS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T FIND MARKET RATE, USUALLY, AND A LOT OF THE MARKET RATE PLACES ARE B AND B. MY OLD HOUSE IS BEING ONE OF THEM. SO I'M NOT SEEING WHERE YOU'RE SEEING THE DAYS CREN IS HE. THIS IS A PART OF TOWN WHERE WE CAN'T THROW IN A NEW SUB DIVISION. IT IS A PART OF TIME WHERE THERE ARE HUGE POCKETS OF POVERTY. IT IS PART OF TOWN WHERE WE HAVE THE HIGHEST CONCENTRATION OF AIR B AND BS IN THE CITY. AND IF SOMEONE DOES GET OUT OF THE MARKET, IT THAT OPENS IT UP FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO GET IN THE MARKET. THERE IS NOT A CAP HERE. YOU CAN DECIDE, I WILL DO SOMETHING NECESSARY MY LIFE, AND SOMEONE ELSE CAN JUMP IN. WE ARE NOT PUTTING A CAP ON IT. >> Pres. Lewis: COUNCILORS, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? JUST A COUPLE OF EXPERIENCES. I'M AWARE OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE -- A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES, OF PEOPLE HAD HAVE INHERITED A PROPERTY OR A HOME, FROM A GRANDMOTHER, GRANDFATHER, PARENT, AND THEY WERE ABLE TO DO A SHORT-TERM RENTAL OUT OF IT A APPEAR ABLE TO HAVE SOME INCOME, AND ACTUALLY ABLE TO, IN SOME CASE, REALLY ABLE TO RISE UP OUT OF SOME POVERTY BECAUSE OF THAT. SO SITS PROVIDED A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE. AND ALSO, I'M AWARE OF PEOPLE WHO ACCEPTED THEIR FIRST TIME HOME O BUYERS, AND WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO AFFORD A HOME, OR GET INTO A HOME, WITHOUT THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A PORTION OF THAT HOME, OR MOTHER-IN-LAW QUARTERS, TO BE ABLE TO AIR B AND B. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO GIVEN TO FUTURE GENERATION ANSWER THOSE HAVING THOSE OPPORTUNITIES IN THE COMING YEARS, I THINK THAT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT. IT IS GOOD TOO HEAR FROM THOSE WHO ARE PROBABLY MOST AFFECTED BY THIS HERE TONIGHT. AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE COULD HAVE SAID IT BETTER THAN SOME OF THEM. SOME OF THE AIR B AND B IN OUR COMMUNITY, THE MOST WELL KEPT, AND NICEST IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS. I'VE CERTAINLY OBSERVED THAT. BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BE. THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO COMPETE IN THAT MARKET, IN THAT KIND OF WAY. SO I THINK THE INTENTIONS ARE TO CREATE MORE HOUSING, AND I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE SOME OTHER WAYS. THERE ARE TOUGH, SOME TOUGH WAYS TO DO THAT, AND FOR US AS COUNCILORS, IT TAKES SOME BOLDNESS AND ABLE TO TAKE A HARD LOOK AT OUR ZONING APPEARING WHAT WE ALLOW MR. CERTAIN AREAS, AND ABLE TO REALLY ABLE TO UNDUE SOME RESTRICTIONS ON AREAS OF OUR TOWN THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED, AND IS THAT DO PROVIDE MORE HOUSING. SO I'M OPEN TO SOME OF THOSE SUGGESTIONS AND WAYS WE CAN DO THAT? A. I'M ALSO OPEN TO ENFORCING OUR CURRENT LAWS AND ENSURING THAT SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE ABIDING BY THE CURRENT LAWS IN PLACE AND PERMITTED. CERTAINLY COUNCILLOR BACA, I WOULD LOVE TO WORK WITH YOU ON SOME OF THOSE SOLUTIONS. I DO PREVIOUS THAT SOME OF THOSE OTHER SOLUTIONS WOULD GO A LONG WAY TO HELP US ABLE TO CREATE MORE HOUSE ANYTHING OUR CITY. SO FOR THOSE REASONS, I'M AGAINST THIS. BUT CERTAINLY I UNDERSTAND THE I TENSIONS. -- THE INTENTIONS. ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS ON THE BILL? COUNCILLOR BACA, COUNCILLOR ROGERS, TO CLOSE. >> Coun. Rogers: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I WANT TO REMIND US THAT WHAT THIS DOES IS IT DOES PROTECT THOSE FOR CURRENT OWNERS OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS IT KEEP THOSE. YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO CLOSE THEM. YOU COUNT HAVE TO SELL THEM. YOU SWROWNT TO CHANGE YOUR BUSINESS PROGRAM IT IS ANY NEW ONES MOVING FORWARD. I THINK THE OTHER IMPORTANT THING HERE IS, IT DOES ALLOW FOR SOMEONE TO RENT OUT THEIR KARETA IS HE AT THAT, IF THEY LIVE -- IF THE OWNER OCCUPIES THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, I AGREE THAT WE NEED MULTIPLE STRATEGIES HERE, BUT WE KNOW THIS IS AVAILABLE STOCK FROM THE DATA THAT IS FROM AIR B AND B, VRBO, ON THE DATA THAT WE LOOKED AT IT GIVES US ACCURATE DATA AS FAR AS HOW MANY OF THESE SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE VACANT, AND THAT'S STUCK OUT TO ME AND WHY I AGREED TO CO-SPONSOR, HOW MUCH THESE UNITS ARE VACANT YEAR A OVER YEAR, AND I THINK FOR ME THAT, WHY I AGREED TO CO-SPONSOR THIS BILL. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >> Pres. Lewis: STRAIRKS ONE MORE TIME, ARE YOU OPPOSED TO THIS BILL? OR ARE YOU FOR THE BILL? >> MR. PRESIDENT, THIS IS THE COUNCIL BILL. WE WEREN'T WEIGHING IN ON TESTIMONY I WAS ACTUALLY READING THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS ORDINANCE, TO SEE IF WE ARE SENDING OUT NONCOMPLIANCE LETTERS TO INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE NOT REGISTERED AND LOOKING AT HOW WE ARE ENFORCING THAT WITH PENALTIES. >> Pres. Lewis: WE WILL GO TO A VOTE. THIS IS O-40 AS AMENDED. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY YES. THOSE OPPOSED. MOTION FAILS ON A 3-6. WE ARE GOING TO GO TO R-72. >> Coun. Peña: AMENDING THE ADOPTED CAPITAL IMPLEMENTATION PROGRAM OF CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE BY IMPROVING NEW PROJECTS, SUPPLEMENTING CURRENT, AND CHANGING EXISTING PROJECTS. I MOVE A DO PASS. >> Pres. Lewis: I HAVE A MOTION FOR A DO PASS AND SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR GROUT. >> Coun. Peña: WE HAVE A COUPLE OF FLOOR AMENDMENTS. >> Coun. Grout: MR. PRESIDENT, I HAVE A FLOOR AMENDMENT, NUMBER 1. ON PAGE 5, AFTER LINE 12, INSERT THE FOLLOWING. ROUTE 66 EASTGATE WAY SIGN, $328,000. THIS AMENDMENT MANY APLOAP RATES FUNDS RECEIVED FROM THE NEW MEXICO TOUR IMPLE DEPARTMENT, ROUTE 66 CENTENNIAL GRANT PROGRAM, INFRA STRUCTURE FOR THE CITY ROUTE 66 FACADE IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, SPECIFICALLY TOWARDS THE CREATION OF THE ROUTE 66 NEON EASTGATE WAY SIGN, REQUIRED MATCHING SIGNS. >> SECOND. >> Pres. Lewis: THAT'S AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE, MOVED AND SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR SANCHEZ. DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT. THANK YOU, WE WILL VOTE ON AMENDMENT NUMBER 1. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY YES. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ANOTHER AMENDMENT, I THINK, COUNCILLOR ROGERS. >> Coun. Rogers: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER 2, ON PAGE 5, AFTER LINE 19, INSERT THE FOLLOWING SECTION. SECTION 5, THE FOLLOWING ALONE RANGE IS HERE BY ADJUSTED TO THE FOLLOWING POLICEMAN OF UNRESERVED FUND BALANCE, AND/OR REVENUE OF OPERATING CITY GOVERNMENT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025. GENERAL FUND 110. ARTS AND CULTURE DEPARTMENT, COMMUNITY EVENT, $60,000. IT AMENDMENT APPROPRIATES NONPRESERVED FUNDS. THIS IS PROVIDING PERFORMANCE AND EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMMING FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE RESIDENTS. THIS WAS IN OUR URGE BUDGET AND WAS REMOVED UNINTENTIONALLY AND THIS AMENDMENT WOULD NATION. >> Pres. Lewis: MOVED AND SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR GROUT. THIS IS AMENDMENT 234U78. ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT? ALL RIGHT, WE WILL GO TO A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY YES. OPPOSED? IS THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THAT WAS AMENDMENT NUMBER 2. ANY OTHER AMENDMENTS? WE DO HAVE A SPEAKER. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. WE HAVE LISA CHRISTOPHERSON. >> STILL HERE, BECAUSE I LIVE HERE. I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS BILL, AND FIRST, MY QUESTION IS, HOW DO CITIZENS MAKE CAPITAL REQUESTS OF CITY WIDE OR DISTRICT, E-MAILING YOU ALL SOMETIMES WE GET RESPONSES, SOMETIMES WE DON'T, BUT BASIC THINGS, SIDEWALKS, COVERED BUS STOPS, STOPLIGHTS AT INTERSECTION, HOW DO WE GET COMMUNITY INPUT OTHER THAN COMING HERE, OR E-MAIL YOU ALL? THAT'S MY QUESTION. FL A NEW PROJECT, CHANGING SCOPE OF EXISTING PROJECTS. I'M NOT QUITE SURE AT WHAT PLACE, OR WHAT POINT, WE REGULAR PEOPLE HAVE SOME SORT OF, IF THERE ARE PROJECTS IN OUR DISTRICT, HOW DO WE GET THAT. I KNOW YOU DON'T ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS, BUT MAYBE YOU GUYS CAN EXPLAIN A 101 ON HOW THE COMMUNITY GETS INVOLVED, N HOW YOU GUYS MAKE YOUR BUDGET AND WHERE YOU SPEND THE MONEY. NOT NOW, BUT SOME TIME. >> Pres. Lewis: ANY OTHER PUBLIC SPEAKERS? >> NO, MR. PRESIDENT. >> Pres. Lewis: BACK ON THE BILL AS AMENDED. ANY DISCUSSION, QUESTIONS? ADMINISTRATION, ANY COMMENTS? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, WE URGE YOUR SUPPORT, AND THE AMENDMENTS. MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE GRANT FUNDS INCLUDED AS WELL. HE. >> Coun. Peña: I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >> Pres. Lewis: I WILL CLOSE DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY YES. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE GO ON TO R-83. >> Coun. Peña: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. R-83 IS ESTABLISHING A MORATORIUM ON SPECIFIC LANGUAGE IN CHAPTER 9, ARTICLE 6, THE ALBUQUERQUE FOOD SERVICE AND RETAIL ORDINANCE RELATING TO PERMITTING FEES SPECIFIC TO FOOD, EVER TRUCK ESTABLISHMENTS. SO FOR THE MOMENT, I MOVE A DO PASS. >> Pres. Lewis: MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR CHAMPINE FOR A DO PASS. >> MR. PRESIDENT, I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF MOVING PARTS IN TERMS OF THIS AND WITH THE RULES, BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE ADMINISTRATION AS TO. Q. YOU DON'T THINK MAYBE THE MORATORIUM SHOULD BE MOVED FORWARD, AND THEN, I HAVEN'T HAD A OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO COUNCILOR CHAMPINE RELATED TO HIS ORDINANCE. SO IF THIS IS GOING TO PROHIBIT MOVEMENT ON HIS ORDINANCE OR SOME OF THE WORK THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS DOING WITH THE FOOD TRUCKS, I'D LOVE TO HEAR IT BEFORE WE PROCEED. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILLOR PEÑA, THANK YOU. I HAVE THE DOCTOR HERE TO TALK THROUGH THE PROCESS WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH RECENTLY RELATED TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE ORDINANCES AS IT WAS I DATED AND PASSED BY YOU ALL. YOU ENSURED THAT WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS TO ALLOW FOR THE PUBLIC VOICES, AND I THINK THAT DR. DINENA CAN SPEAK TO SOME OF THE OF DETAIL OF THROUGH PROCESS WORKS AND THE TIMING AND UPDATE YOU WITH WHERE WE ARE. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT AND COUNCILORS. WE ACTUALLY DID HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AS SOON AS WE WERE ABLE TO ACTUALLY DO THAT, THE ORDINANCE WENT INTO EFFECT ON AUGUST 1st. THAN DAY, WE SENT OUT A NOTICE, AND ACCORDING TO THE RULEMAKING NOTICE, HAD TO GIVE PROPER NOTICE WITHIN 14 DAYS. IT WAS ON THE 16th THAT WE HAD THE HEARING. WE HAD EXCELLENT PARTICIPATION. A LOT OF GREAT FEEDBACK, WHICH IS HEACTSLY THE PURPOSE OF DOING THAT. AND I THINK VERY MUCH HEARD THE SAME THING YOU ALL HEARD FROM CONSTITUENTS, THAT THERE WAS MORE CONCERN, THAN ANYTHING ELSE, ABOUT THE RATES AND SOME OF THE FEES. SO WE DO KNOW THAT THE COUNSEL HAS AN INTEREST IN TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT AS WELL. WE WERE CONCERNED WITH WITH WITH GETTING OUR RULES FINALIZED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. SO WE COULD ADOPT THE FOOD CODE. THE 2022 FOOD CODE IS WHAT MOVED US TO. THE RULES DO HAVE A WAY OF ADDRESS THAT IS CORRECT YOU AN, BUT I THINK VERY MUCH LINES UP, WE UNDERSTANDS IT IS GOING IN THE SAME DIRECTION. WE HEAR LOUD AND CLEAR, AND SWEERNL OPEN (INAUDIBLE). >> Coun. Peña: MR. PRESIDENT, MY QUESTION ALSO IS, I KNOW WITH THE RULEMAKING AND THE ORDINANCE THAT WE PASSED IT ALLOW YOU TO MAKE THESE CHANGES TO THE RULEMAKING, AS WE ARE MOVING FORWARD, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY -- IT REALLY GAVE THE ADMINISTRATION AND YOU A LOT OF ABILITY AND FLEXIBILITY TO MAKE SURE YOU WENT WHENEVER, WITHOUT HAVING TO COME IN FRONT OF COUNSEL, IS MY UNDERSTANDING. SO MY QUESTION IS, IF WE CHANGE IT BACK, IT DOESN'T REALLY PROHIBIT YOU OR ANOTHER ADMINISTRATION TO CHANGE THE FEES TO KIND OF A NEW RULEMAKING PROCESS WITHOUT HAVING TO COME TO COUNCIL. SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT ALARMING. I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO TALK TO OUR STAFF, BECAUSE IT IS MY SUPPEDZS THAT IF WE WANT TO DO OF WHAT THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL IS, WE HAVE TO DO THE ORDINANCE IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH FEES THAT WILL PROCESS, I SHOULD SAY, THAT IS GOOD FOARNT TIRE COUNCIL, SO QUEER NOT MAKING THESE KIND OF CHANGES THAT WE HAVE HEARD BACK, FROM AND I KNOW THERE WAS LANGUAGE WITHIN THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS PASSED, BUT IT WASN'T REALLY SPECIFIC TO FOOD TRUCKS, AND IT DIDN'T REALLY OUTLINE THAT, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT LOOKING THROUGH LINES TO IDENTIFY FOOD TRUCKS, AND THEN TO ADD A FEE TO FOOD TRUCKS, THAT'S A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT. I THINK I'M REALLY MOVED FOR THE NEED TO HAVE THE ORDINANCE -- I DON'T KNOW IF OUR STAFF IS PREPARED TO TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT, HOW THAT WORKS IN TERMS OF JUST LETTING THE ADMINISTRATION, AND THEN, JUST MOVE FORWARD, AND NOT MOVE THE MORATORIUM FORWARD, AND LET THEM DO WHAT THEY ARE DOING, WHAT CLAW BACKS FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM WOULD COUNCIL WITH HAVE WHEN THEY ARE MAKING THESE ARBITRARY CHANGES. >> MR. PRESIDENT, AND COUNCILLOR PEÑA, SINCE THE ADMINISTRATION CAN ACTUALLY MAKE THE RULE CHANGE TO DROP THE PRICE FROM $900 FOR FOOD TRUCKS, TO THE CURRENT PRICE THEY ARE AT NOW, THE ONLY WAY THAT THEY CAN ENSURE THEY DON'T CHANGE BACK TO MAKE A CHANGE IN THE ORDINANCE. >> Coun. Peña: SO IS THE ADMINISTRATION IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT? SO WE CAN MAYBE NOT DO THE MORATORIUM, AND THEN WORK WITH COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, TO ESTABLISH THOSE FEES? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILLOR PEÑA, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. I THINK WHAT WE HAVE DONE THROUGH THE RESUME MAKING PROCESS IS ALLOWED FOR THE COMMUNITIES FEEDBACK TO ALLOW US TO PROVIDE THROUGH THAT RULEMAKING AN OPTION FOR THE INTERMEDIARIES IF THAT MAKES SENSE, TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO MODERATE THE FEES FOR FOOD TRUCKS. WHAT WE ARE CALLING MICRO BUSINESSES AND OTHER SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE IMPACTED BY THIS AT A HIGHER RATE. THE LANGUAGE THAT COUNCILOR CHAMPINE HAS INTRODUCED FOR THE ORDINANCE TO BE UPDATED MATCHES THAT WE HAVE IN THE RULEMAKING PROCESS WITH SOMEONE SMALL EXCEPTION, WHICH WE MENTIONED, INCLUDING THE LANGUAGE, WHAT WE HAVE DEFINED AS MICRO BUSINESSES, BUSINESS THAT IS HAVE FIVE EMPLOYEES OR LESS, AND WE HAVE ALSO DEFINED HOW THEY ARE THAT TYPE OF BUSINESS. AT THIS POINT, WE ARE FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT THE ORDINANCE UPDATE IS A WAY FOR US TO MATCH IN TERMS OF RULE AND THE ORDINANCE, AND OF COURSE GIVES THAT PORTIONING INTO THE ORDINANCE, AND DOES EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID, WHICH MEANS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK FOR THE ORDINANCE ONCE THAT IS UPDATED. WHAT OUR GOAL RIGHT NOW HAS BEEN, TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS VERY FOCUS OBJECTED APPRECIATING AND HAVING YOU ANING THE SIZE OF THOSE BUSINESSES, THE RULE MAKING NOT SLOWING DOWN BOTH THE INSPECTION AS WELL AS THE PERMITTING OF THE BUSINESSES THAT WE IDENTIFIED IN THE RULES, WHICH ARE MICRO BUSINESSES, FOOD TRUCKS MOACIALTION FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS, AND -- MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS, AND TWO OTHER SMALL CATEGORIES RELATED TO CARE FACILITIES THAT ARE VERY SMALL. >> Coun. Peña: MR. PRESIDENT, I APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK THAT I WOULD MOVE TO WITHDRAW THIS BILL WITH THE HOPES IS THAT THE ADMINISTRATION WORKS WITH COUNCILOR CHAMPINE TO ADDRESS THAT. AND I THINK FOOD TRUCKS ARE SO SPECIFIC THAT I WOULD HOPE THAT IT WOULD JUST MENTION AS A MICRO BUSINESS, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ON MICRO BUSINESSES, THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE MAKING TAMALES FROM THEIR HOUSE AND SELLING THEM, AND WE HAVE TO CLASSIFY SOME OF THOSE FOLKS WHO HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE SUCCESSFUL OUT THERE, AND I THINK THEIR FEE WOULD BE LESS THAN PROBABLY A FOOD TRUCK, BECAUSE THESE ARE MOM AND POP PLACES THAT SUPPLEMENT THEIR INCOME. SO JUST A BIT OF A SUGGESTION. SO THANK YOU, ADMINISTRATION, THANK YOU STAFF, AND I WOULD MOVE TO WITHDRAW THE MORATORIUM. >> Pres. Lewis: MOTION AND SECOND TO WITHDRAW BY COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. DISCUSSION ON THE WITHDRAWAL. SIR, WHERE DID THE ORIGINAL NUMBER OF THE INCREASE COME FROM? >> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, PRESIDENT LEWIS, THE ORIGINAL SET OF THE FEE WAS SOMETHING THAT WE ARRIVED AT THROUGH INITIALLY DOING -- WE TOOK THE AUDITOR'S ANALYSIS, WE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS VERY REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT OUR DEPARTMENT, DOES AND WE EXPANDED THAT AND LOOKED FURTHER. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE INCLUDED CITIES THAT DO FOOD REGULATION SIMILAR TO US, JUST NOT THE USUAL DEMOGRAPHIC OF THE CITY MAKEUP, THE SAME MEDIAN INCOME, AND THAT SORT OF THING, BUT THE MODEL. AND THEN WE ESSENTIALLY PUT THOSE NUMBERS IN AND LOOKED AT WHERE WE ARE AT CURRENTLY AND TO GIVE YOU A GLIMPSE, WE MODELED THE ENTIRE THING OFF OF WHAT WOULD BE A BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANT, BECAUSE THAT IS BY FAR THE LARGEST CATEGORY PERMIT, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AT THE TIME. A TYPICAL RESTAURANT, PREVIOUSLY WOULD BE PAYING ABOUT $700 A YEAR, AND IN MOST CASES, THEY ARE AT THAT LEVEL, AND MOST OF THOSE SAME FACILITIES WOULD MOVE TO THE HUNDRED DOLLARS. EVERYTHING ELSE WAS -- $900. EVERYTHING ELSE WAS TRYING TO SCALE THEM ACCORDINGLY. THE PART THAT I THINK HAS BEEN SO SHOCKING, THE STICKER SHOCK FOR FOLKS, ESPECIALLY, AS I SAID, WE WERE VERY MUCH MOVING TO A RISK BASE MODEL FOR HOW WE DO THIS, RATHER THAN LAST YEAR GROSS RECEIPTS OR THE SIZE OF THE BUSINESS. SOME OTHER CITIES DO IT BY SQUARE FOOTAGE OR THE NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS, BUT WE DIDN'T FEEL WE COULD LOOK AT THAT. WE LOOKED AT RISK, AND ANALYSIS JUST BASED ON RISK, US SITTING AS A CONFERENCE TABLE AND TALKING ABOUT A RISK, A FOOD TRUCK IS VERY SIMILAR TO A RESTAURANT. >> Pres. Lewis: WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY RESIDENTIAL ?K THE CITY'S LIABILITY TO RESIDENTIAL ?K. >> THANK YOU FOR ASKING. I HAVE A AT THE DAN IS HE TO TALK ABOUT THE THINGS I TALK ABOUT EVERY DAY, RISK IS REPRESENTED BY MENU ITEMS, THE CHOICES OF FOOD AND THE WAY THAT THEY ARE PREPARED, SO I TALK A LOT, AND YOU PROBABLY HEARD IN THE IMMEDIATE YAWRNLINGS I SPOKE TO OTHER COUNCILORS, THE OLD FOOD TRUCK ESTABLISH MEANT WAS $120. THAT WAS SET BACK IN THE EIGHTIES WHEN A MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENT WAS PROBABLY A HOT DOG CART OUTSIDE A NIGHTCLUB. THE FOOD TRUCK INDUSTRY HAS REVOLUTIONIZED AND IT IS NO LONGER A SIMPLE OPERATION. SO YOU HAVE FOLKS STANDING BACK THERE AND THEY ARE PREPARING AND HANDLING RAW PRODUCE, WHICH IS A HIGH RISK FOOD, A RAW MEAT, WHICH IS HIGH RISK, AND THE STORAGE AND HANDLING THAT GOES INTO THAT THAT IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT RISK IS. >> Pres. Lewis: CAN YOU PUT A DOLLAR AMOUNT ON THAT RISKS ASSESSMENT? DO YOU PUT A DOLLAR AMOUNT ON YOU CHARGE THEM? AGAIN, WHAT'S THE BASIS? HOW DO YOU PUT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT ON TO THE RISK? SOMEBODY WITH BAD MEAT, IS IT THE COST TO THE CITY OF INSPECTORS TO PREVENT THAT? IS IT OUR LEGAL RISK OF BEING SUED? >> I THINK THE SIMPLE ANSWER IS, YES. THE COST OF THE PROGRAM. WE ARE NOT IN A MODE WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO RECOVERY COSTS PER SE, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT HOW WE WERE SETTING UP FEES IN THE POLICE OVERSIGHTS, THAT TYPICAL RESTAURANT, BASED ON THE RISK CATEGORY THAT THEY WOULD BE UNDER THE NEW MODEL, REQUIRES US TO BE THERE THREE TIMES A YEEMPLET A HIGHER RISK FACILITY IS FOUR TIMES AER YOOSM WE LOOK AT HOW MANY INSPECTIONS WE USED TO DO AND HOW MANY INSPECTIONS WE NEED IT O DO. THE OFFSET IS TYPE OF FACILITIES FOR A FOOD TRUCK, FOR EXAMPLE, PLACES SIMPLY SELLING SNOW CONES OR SOME PROPRIETARY NAME FOR A SNOW CONE. THAT'S A VERY LOW RISK PRAISMGHTS THERE WERE NEVER EVEN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT. SO IT IS -- WE DON'T THINK OF IT, IN ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH, WE DON'T THINK OF THE RISK TO THE CITY BEING SUED, WE THINK ABOUT THE RISK TO THE POPULATION. IF WE MISS SOMETHING, IF A FACILITY LAGS WHEN WE HAVEN'T BEEN THERE FOR A FEW MONTHS, GET INTO BAD QUALITY PRACTICES, MAINTAINING FOOD CORRECTLY, WHAT IS THE IMPACT TO THE POPULATION. >> Pres. Lewis: HOW DO YOU PUT A COST ON THAT IMPACT? WHAT IS THE COST TO THE CITY? >> PRESIDENT LEWIS, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE WOULD BE A DOLLAR AMOUNT NECESSARILY, UNLESS THERE WAS A FOOD BOASH OUTBREAK. POTENTIALLY, WE WOULD BE DOING ENFORCEMENT. BUT THERE ARE RULES OF SLIDING SCALE. >> Pres. Lewis: BACK IN APRIL, YOU HAD A NUMBER MR. MIND, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW YOU CAME ONE A BUDGET. IT WAS A TOTAL DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WOULD BE GENERATED BECAUSE OF THE FEE INCREASE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU STHEAT AT $900 FOR FOOD TRUCKS, BUT YOU HAD TO HAVE THAT NUMBER IN MIND SMG BECAUSE THAT'S HOW YOU CALCULATED THE TOTAL GENERAL REVENUE. BUT AT THE TIME, THE COUNCIL APPROPRIATED THOSE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND GAVE THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO RAISE THAT MONEY. I THINK THE CITY TO YOU ALL IS, WHAT'S THIS SPECIFICALLY GOING TO BE SPENT FOR, AND I THINK THE ANSWER BACK THEN, MORE THAN A FEW WEEKS AGO, TOO, IS IT IS NOT GOING TO NEW HE CAN R INSPECTORS. THIS IS NOT ATTACHED TO HIRING INSPECTOR. THERE WAS NOTHING YOU A TACHED AS FAR AS A COST TO THE CITY. THIS IS GOING TO GO INTO THE GENERAL FUND MUCH THERE WAS NO PURPOSE FOR IT, WHATSOEVER. SO IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS GRABBED OUT OF THIN AIR, AND VERY HARD TO EXPLAIN. TO EXPLAIN TO A FOOD TRUCK OWNER, MY FEE IS GOING TO GO TO THE HUNDRED DOLLARS, HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT TO THEM, BY TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, AND WHAT'S IT GOING TO PROVIDE FOR THEM. THERE IS NOTHING THERE. AND THEN YOU HAVE A HEARING, AND YOU GET SOME FEEDBACK, AND YOU SAID YOU GOT SOME FEEDBACK ABOUT THE ACTUAL AMOUNT OF THE FOR EXAMPLE AND YOU'RE WILLING TO LOWER THOSE FEES, SO NOW MY QUESTION IS, DO YOU NEED THAT MONEY THAT YOU APPROPRIATED. REMEMBER ARE WE GOING TO RAEL -- WHERE ARE WE GOING TO RAEL LOCATE THAT MONEY. WE NEED TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS THERE. THE MOST LOGICAL TO ME IS, LET'S START COMPLETELY OVER WITH THIS. MAYBE GO BACK TO WHERE IT WAS BEFORE AND COME UP WITH A PLAN WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY JUSTIFY AND SHOW THAT WE ARE NOT JUST TAKING YOUR MONEY, WE ARE PUTTING IT IN OUR POCKET, AND THE GOVERNMENT COULD HAVE, IF HE AND PUTTING IT IN THE GENERAL FUND SO WE CAN PAY FOR THE MAYOR'S BLOATED STAFF. ARE BIGGER THAN ITS EVER BEEN BEFORE. MORE MONEY THAN THEY HAVE EVER HAD BEFORE. AND WE ARE TAKING A FEW HUNDRED DOLLARS FROM THE FOOD TRUCK OWNERS. ITS UNBELIEVABLE. I THINK WE START OFF ON THE WRONGS FOOT IN APRIL WHEN WE DID THE BUDGET. I BELIEVE THAT THE BEST WAY TO HANDLE THIS IS TO COMPLETELY REVERSE WHAT IS WE DID, FOR YOU ALL TO COMPLETELY START BACK AT SQUARE 1, AND COME UP WITH A REASONABLE PLAN THAT JUSTIFIES ANY KIND OF INCREASE LIKE THAT, AND BRING IT BACK TO US AND WE WILL VOTE ON IT. >> Coun. Rogers: MR. PRESIDENT, I HAVE A COUPLE OF PROCESS QUESTIONS. WE WERE DISCUSSING WITHDRAWING THE MORATORIUM. IF WE DO WITHDRAW, A VOTE TO WITHDRAW THE MORATORIUM, WOULD THAT MENIAL THE CURRENT 9 -- MEAN, THAT THE CURRENT $900 FEE STAYS IN APPLIES WHILE WE REDO THE RULEMAKING? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILLOR ROGERS, NO, IT WOULD NOT BE $900. THE ADJUSTMENT IN THE RULES ALREADY, WE SETTLED ON THAT IN TALKING WITH COUNCIL, IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL STAFF, SO I THINK WE ARE TRYING TO GET ON A A PAR PARALLEL TRACK. THE NET EFFECT OF THE FINAL RULES THAT ARE APPROVED AND WE ARE READY TO FOLLOW ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO APPLY A MULTIPLIER TO THE FEES. THERE IS A LOT OF CONFUSION WITH THE WAY THAT THE MOBILE PERMIT WAS SET, AND WE SET IT TO BE EQUIVALENT TO A RESTAURANT, A COMPARABLE RISK OF A RESTAURANT. TO ME THAT, MADE SENSE. AND I DON'T OFFER IT AS AN EXCUSE, BUT WE INITIALLY BROUGHT TO COUNSEL WITH THE FEES INCLUDED IN OUR RULES PACKET. WE ANTICIPATED A MUCH MORE INVOLVED GROUND LEVEL DISCUSSION WITH THE FOLKS THAT ARE GOING TO BE PAYING THOSE FEES, TO BREAK IT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT IT, AND I ACCEPTED THAT IT WAS VERY MUCH DAWSH ANYBODY ELSE THAT WE DIDN'T MAKE IT CLEAR WHAT WE UNDERSTOOD IT TO BE, THE FOOD TRUCK WAS ALWAYS A PART OF THE FOOD ESTABLISHMENT PERMIT TABLE, FEE TABLE. THAT'S CLEARLY NOT GOING TO WORK. SO THE WAYS THE RULES ARE WRITTEN NOW, FUR A MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENT, FOLLOWING THE DEFINITION ALREADY SET UP THERE, IT IS A POINT TWO FIVE MULTIPLIER. SO IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT PAYING $900 IN FEES, YOU ARE NOW GOING TO BE PAYING $225 IN ANNUAL FEESM WE UNDERSTANDS THAT YOU ALL WANT TO HAVE THAT LOCKED DOWN BY ORDINANCE. AS WE SAID, WE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO THAT. WE ARE NOT TRYING TO SIDE STEP ANYTHING OR GIVE OURSELVES POWERS AT A LATER DATE. BUT WITHOUT THE MORATORIUM, THAT WORK THE FEE WE WOULD MOVE TO. SOME FOOD TRUCKS, LOWER RISK, SNOW CONES, THAT WILL BE LOWER. >> ARE THERE ANY FOOD THROWX HAVE ALREADY PAID THE HIGHER FEES? >> THERE ARE, COUNCILLOR ROGERS. THERE ARE 12. THEY HAVE EITHER BEEN REFUNDEDDED THAT FEE OR ARE IN THE PROCESS OF BEING REFUNDEDDED. WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO ALL OF THEM TO LET THEM KNOW. >> Coun. Rogers: THANK YOU. >> NO MATTER HOW WE RESOLVE THIS WE KNEW THERE WOULD BE A SET BACK FROM THAT INITIAL SET OF FEE, AND WE REFUNDED IT SO WE ARE NOT HOLD ON TO THEIR MONEY WHILE WE ARE ALL DISCUSSING THE BEST WAY TO RESOLVE OF THIS. >> Coun. Rogers: BEFORE YOU LEAVE, CAN SPEAK REQUEST THIS GENTLEMAN WHO HAS NOT BEEN REFUNDEDDED OR CONTACTED. >> WE DID CONTACT YOU, RIGHT? (INAUDIBLE). >> Coun. Rogers: THANK YOU, OF THOSE 12, CAN YOU GIVE US AN UPDATE BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING THAT THEY HAVE ALL BEEN REFUNDEDDED? >> PRESIDENT LEWIS, COUNCILLOR ROGERS YES. >> Coun. Rogers: THANK YOU, SO >> Coun. Fiebelkorn: MR. PRESIDE NT, I'M KIND OF GLAD TO HEAR THAT THERE IS SOME KIND OF COMPROMISE HAPPENING. I'VE BEEN TRYING SINCE THE 20TH, WHICH WAS THE DAY AFTER THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, TO MEET WITH THE DOCTOR AND GET ANSWERS TO MY QUESTIONS, BECAUSE I HAVE FOOD TRUCKS IN MY DISTRICTS THAT WANT ME TO GET INFORMATION, AND I'VE BEEN UNUNABLE TO MEET WITH HIM. BUT I'M GLAD THAT OTHER COUNCILORS HAVE GOTTEN SOME RESPONSES AS COUNCIL STAFF, SO THAT'S GOOD. I DWOONT TO POINT OUT THAT, FOR THE RECORD, I HAVE FOOD TRUCK VENDORS CALLING ME EVERY DAY ABOUT HOW TO GO THROUGH WHAT I DID. I TEXTED ON THE 20TH TO GET PERMISSION TO TALK, AND I DID NOT HEAR ANYTHING UNTIL THE 26TH, WHEN THE ADMINISTRATION SAID, YES, PLEASE MEET WITH HIM. I REACHED OUT THAT DAY, AND SAID, I GOT PERMISSION TO SPEAK WITH YOU, I WOULD LIKE TO MEET WITH YOU. THE NEXT DAY, ON THE 27th, I WAS TOLD THAT THAT PERMISSION HAD BEEN REKINDED * RESCINDED. A FEW MORE DAYS, WHEN I GOT ANOTHER CALL FROM THE ADMINISTRATION, HEY, WE REALLY MEAN IT, YOU CAN TALK TO HIM. IT IS, WHAT, THE 4TH, AND I HAVE YET TO HAVE A MEETING. SO I WANT IT ON RECORD THAT THIS IS NOT APPROPRIATE, WE ARE SUPPOSED ABLE TO TO GET INFORMATION, THIS IS NOT WORKING AND THIS IS NOT OKAY WITH ME, AND IT IS NOT OKAY WITH MY CONSTITUENTS THAT WASN'TS TO QUESTIONS THAT I JUST LITERALLY FOUND OUT 30 SECONDS AGO. SO I'M GLAD TO FIND OUT THAT THERE IS SOMEONE WHO HAS GOTTEN THROUGH AND SOMEONE IMMEDIATE A SUGGESTED CHANGE HERE THAT ARE MIGHT WORK FOR FOLKS, BUT JUST FOR THE RECORD, NOT OKAY WITH THIS COUNCILOR THAT THIS IS HOW IT WORKS OUT. >> Pres. Lewis: COUNCIL HORSE, THE MOTION ON THE TABLE HAS BEEN ARE WITHDRAWN AND SECONDED. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE WITHDRAWAL? >> Coun. Peña: JUST TO CLOSE, I WANT FOR THE RECORD, THERE IS THIS BACK AND FORTH. IT'S GETTING PETTY AT THIS POINT. IT WAS ABOUT THE FEES THAT WERE SENT DOWN. AND IN THAT FEE STRUCTURE, DID IT HAVE FOOD TRUCKS? IT DOESN'T PARTY WHETHER IT DID OR DIDN'T. BUT WHAT I READ IT DID NOT. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILLOR PEÑA, FEE STRUCTURES THAT WERE ALIGNED NOT A APPENDIX ATTACHED TO THE ORDINANCE. WE ARE PULLING IT UP WHETHER THOSE APPENDIX REALLY CALLED OUT FOOD TRUCK, OR WHAT FEE TRUCK SPHRUR THEY FALL? COIM I BELIEVE THEY DID NOT. THEY HAD PRIMARY AND SECONDARY, AND FOOD INSTRUCTION ARE INITIALLY CLASSIFIED AS PRIMARY, AND THEN CHANGED TO SECOND AREA, BUT IT DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY FOOD TRUCK. >> Coun. Peña: THANK YOU. THAT HE WAS WHERE THE CONFUSION CAME IN I READ EVERYTHING THAT WAS SENT TO ME, AND I DID NOT READ FOOD TRUCK. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RECORD IS CLEAR ON THAT. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO OR WHAT, BUT I DID NOT OVER LOOK FOOD TRUCKS. THAT'S KIND OF A LOT OF BUSINESSES IN MY DISTRICT, WOULD HAVE THROWN SHOULDN'T ROWS OF RED FLAGS FOR ME. THANK YOU, AND I URGE YOUR SUPPORT FOR THE WITHDRAWAL. >> Pres. Lewis: DID YOU HAVE OTHER COMMENT. >> JUST TO CLARIFY, COUNCILLOR PEÑA, AS I SAID, THE TABLE INDICATED SERVICE ESTABLISHMENTS. THAT YOU WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE HAD. (INAUDIBLE). >> I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT. THERE ARE MANY, MANY KINDS OF PERMITS, AND WE LUMP A LOT OF THEM TOGETHER, BUT THAT ONE SHOULD HAVE BEEN TREATED -- I APOLOGIZE. >> Coun. Peña: MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING SOMETHING THAT THAT IS NOT I WOULD HAVE READS. THANK YOU. >> Pres. Lewis: I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO WITHDRAW. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS THIS MEETING IS A AFOUNDER. ADJOURNED. YOU