[Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] I call this meeting to order. Roll call, please. >> Miranda, >> here. >> Minusc >> here. >> Herac >> here. >> Vieira >> here. >> Carlson here. >> Clinton >> here. >> We have a qu. Thank you very much. Okay. Per our agenda, Councilman Vieira, recognize you. >> Yes, sir. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um, I'd like to call up, if I may, Miss Heather Ericson, if if you wanted to come present this item and then I'll present our our speakers who are here for this. And thank you, Mr. Chair and council for allowing this to come at this time. You start with your name, please. >> Uh, a bench dedication or um, gay pant. And it is was really my pleasure. um if you know a little bit of his story and I think that's going to get told um um between uh councilman and his parents but we I brought a little mockup of what the bench would look like and we did work with the parents just on the process of what the the language would look like and it'll go on a bench and it kind of ties right into his Eagle Scout project which was building benches. So, he will sit um this bench will be outside the new Tampa playground at the rec center where if you've ever been up there, it's like ants on peanut butter because that playground's just packed all the time. So, his name will be seen daily and um we're soon as this comes in, we will get back with the the family and we'll schedule something at the park. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> It was my pleasure meeting them today. >> Yes, ma'am. Thank you, ma'am, for all your work and um if I may, Mr. I'll just set this up if I may. We have here uh Carolyn and Mahmud Hassan who are going to be coming up in a little bit to talk and just share from the heart. I'll I'll all talk. I had the pleasure of meeting them about a year and a half ago. And and I'm going to try not to cry, okay? That's all I'm going to say. I'm going to try not to cry. But um Gabe Hassan passed on in February of 2024 at the age of 17 due to leukemia. Uh his parents are here. They're very good and decent people. Uh they live in the New Tampa area. Uh they they attend the New Tampa mosque out there and they're just very good folks. Um Gabe was um diagnosed with Schwashman Diamond Syndrome, a very rare genetic disorder uh that would cause him to encounter many many challenges throughout his life. But what made him such and there there I go again. Okay, I'm gonna Okay, I'm just going to I'm going to pull through this. But what made him such an exceptional person is is how he would live such an exceptional life and be a light to so many people throughout his time here on earth. He would have just within a span of five years seven major surgeries and he would often live in protected protective isolation going through a kind of medical challenge that would be traumatic for him, traumatic for his parents, traumatic for his social upbringing and different things like that. But in spite of that, he was able to get a 4.7 uh GPA at Wharton High School. And weeks before he passed on, uh he was given his or not not long before he passed on, he was given his diploma from Wharton High School while he was at the hospital. Um he was always a very loving son to his parents as well as to his family. His dream was always to become an Eagle Scout. He was very, very passionate about the values of being an Eagle Scout. And so ultimately with uh troop 148 a ceremony was given for him in the hospital room just days before he passed on. There were three big pillars in his life which was scouting because scouting for him and and and y'all have told me about this uh represented integrity and character and just doing the right thing being a good person which is what being an Eagle Scout's about. His family very very loving to his family as well as his faith as a Muslim. Um, and so, you know, we're we we want to honor him because it's something that touched a lot of people in New Tampa, and we just want to make sure that he is remembered, uh, because he was such a special young soul. So, um, Mimmude, if you want to speak, sir, you may. And Caroline, have at it. >> Esteemed council member, it's an honor to be here. Uh, and recognizing Gabe is, uh, a tremendous, uh, honor. That's the only way I could put it. Uh, he was a wonderful human being. I'm not just saying that as his father. Uh he knew how to light up a room. He was an amazing young man. Uh patriotic, loved his country very much. He loved his council. He loved his troop. Um he was a man of young man of faith. Uh he was loved at his high school. Everywhere he went, people would, you know, high five him and smile at him. He had a lot of charisma. Um and he believed in the scout law, doing the right thing, which is being honorable, being, you know, doing helping people at all time. Despite his disability, he went out of his way to help others. and set a good example for that was a teenager and was feisty and gave us a hard time at times but uh through all that um he was uh just an amazing you know light in our life and our firstborn son and our first love. Um but also he also reminded us how precious life is because things were going great. You know my wife and I were celebrating our 20th year marriage anniversary. We were going on vacations and then all of a sudden, you know, we went to the doctor and found out that his blood work was not good and that he was starting to develop cancer and he slowly, you know, started descending uh with his health and we watched him slowly deteriorate over time which was extremely difficult and traumatic. So to see his name honored on a bench and a plaque in his name means the world to us and beyond. We don't want his name to be forgotten, to be lost. uh we want his name to be remembered to see young kids and generations sitting on that bench seeing his name and and uh hopefully he can inspire others. So I'm really uh truly an honor. Thank you uh Mr. Vieira and thank you everybody for attending and allowing us this privilege. >> Thank you. >> You want me to say something? >> Only if you want to. I just didn't want to interrupt you. If only if you >> My husband said the most here in regards to Gabe. Gabe was definitely the definition of perseverance. He had seven leg surgeries in a matter of five years. And not once did he say, "Oh, it was me." He just said, "God must really, really love me so much to test me like this." And you know what? I still remember him helping another eagle with his project. He had an Xfixure on him. This was his first one. I'm behind him, scared to death he's going to fall on me. He's like, "Leave me alone. I'm painting." That was just him. He was a go-getter. He was one of the good ones. He really was. Thank you. Thank you guys. And and were you Oh, just I was just want to say thank you guys from sharing from the heart. It's really hard to go in public on such a tremendous hurt. That takes a lot of courage and that takes a lot of heart and so just thank you guys. You guys are wonderful. God bless you counsel anybody. >> Thank you. >> Our heart our heart breaks for you. >> I appreciate that. Thank you. >> It doesn't it it I mean this is just to have it presented. Um and it'll be up in a matter of I guess Miss Ericson months, weeks. >> Five weeks. >> Okay, there you go. So >> thank you. >> Be well. Appreciate the time and the opportunity. Thank you. >> Okay. Now we are moving on to item 62 which is writing with item 23. >> Tick tock star Larry Washington. >> Hey darling, would you grab those from him? All right. >> 40 under 40. >> 40 under 40. That's right. Congratulations. >> Well, thank you. I truly appreciate it. >> I remember being under 40 like 100 years ago. >> I barely made it. So, >> all right. Good afternoon, council. I'm Larry Washington, director of the solid waste and environmental program management department. Here to cover two items. So, item 62 as you mentioned, but would you mind if I cover item 23 first and lead into it or >> No, that's perfect. >> Okay. and we'll have to have a vote on 23. So, >> okay. >> Yeah. >> All right. So, item 23 is the reallocation of funds uh $10 million in the solid waste budget itself to ensure that we can make some changes or some updates with our generator since there was an issue previously which I've briefed out most of you. Um on September 19th we had an issue when we were firing up our generator which resulted in the damage of generator and I wanted to make sure that everyone is aware as well that we can still process waste. However, we cannot generate uh energy right now. So electricity so we can still burn at least 85% of the trash that's generated by the city of Tampa which is roughly 6,000 to almost like 7,000 per week. However, a portion of that will be landfilled, but not as much as we previously had during the retrofit. So, wanted to make sure that everyone was aware of what's going on. However, to ensure that there's no delays to the public as far as trash collection, processing, and then in addition, there's no delays to the transfer station patrons as well. So, no long lines, no issues with commercial or residential service. A memo was provided by myself and the CFO unfortunately wasn't able to join us today, but the memo was provided. So if there's any questions, be happy to answer. >> Can you just remind me when we'll be back to normal operations or if we approve this resolution, how long will it take to get back? >> All right. So something like this usually takes a year. Luckily, we have the materials with our our contractor, so they have to have materials, which is uh copper. So it's going to be roughly five months. >> Nice. Good. >> Yeah. >> Very good. and we're aggressively trying to restore the plan as fast as possible. >> Does council have any other questions? >> Council Carlson. >> Yeah, and sorry if I if I my aid's been out, so sorry if we didn't schedule something, but one quick question. Is there any recovery of any of the cost of this? Is there any any insurance or or warranty or anything to get a recovery of any of it? >> So, right now, no. So, looking into internally, we're going to reduce expenditures going out and then of course increase revenue coming back in. So, we do have a couple things coming to you in the near future with ordinance updates and whatnot, but right now, no. >> Okay. Thank you, Councilwoman Herrick. >> Uh um thank you for the briefing I got earlier. You also said though that that this will not harm us that you actually had some money left over in last year's budget that will cover this. >> So, we're not asking for additional monies. We're just asking to move money around in budget itself. So, we have money to cover it. >> Yes. So that's that's what I mean. So we're not we're not having to go >> uh you know find money for this. We were we were lucky enough to have some money to handle it. And I think that's the most important part. But I also said this and I never ever uh >> regret the chance to say that while we're going through this, the less trash people create, the better off it is. So this is a good time. But if you haven't um tried either recycling or composting, city offers some great classes on composting. Uh highly recommend you give it a whirl. >> Can you tell the giddiness of her voice when she chang starts talking about trash and composting? Council man, would you like to move item 23? >> Yes. And uh before I do, thank you, Mr. Washington. He briefed me uh yesterday and you went over everything, very specific details and answer all my questions. So I appreciate you. I move item 23. >> We have a motion from Councilman Maskcalo, second from Councilwoman Herk. All those in favor say I. I. Oppose. Eyes have it. Thank you. And now we'll go to 62. >> All right. So item 62 is a bid approving the Zel refractories work that's going to be done in a span of three years. It's for $5.8 million. Was provided as well. Do you have any questions? >> Council have any questions? >> No. Move. Move the item. >> Okay. We have a motion from Councilman Ocalo to move item 62. Is there a second? Second council Miranda. All those in favor say I. >> I oppose. Eyes have unanimously. Thank you very much, Mr. Washington. >> Thank you. >> A lot of sitting around and waiting for just not much time, huh? >> Hey. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Let's see. >> We have >> 67. >> Did we already move 63 and 64? >> Yes, we did. We have 67, 9, and seven. >> Yeah. So, 67. Good afternoon, council. Brad Bear, deputy administrator of infrastructure. Um, proud to tell you that uh September 5th, we just passed our sixth year anniversary for pipes. Uh, four of you were actually there that night and uh approved the program. It's been hugely successful. Um, Eric and Rory are going to go through uh some of the numbers for you. So, uh they're pretty impressive. And then they're going to highlight a few of the projects. And with that, I'll turn it over to Eric Weiss. >> Mr. Weiss. >> Good afternoon, Eric Weiss, wastewater department director. We do have a PowerPoint presentation if it could be brought up. So, the backbone of the pipes project is our master plans. You know, it's a 20-year period to look ahead. Um, wastewater assets are in three groups. You got our um wastewater treatment plant pumping stations and then our actual pipes in the ground. And what this is, we did a master plan for each at the Howard current wastewater treatment advanced wastewater treatment plant. The 20-year plan looked at uh the condition of our current um assets there, new technologies, current and future environmental regulations and population. So, we put that all together and in 2018, um, that $561 million, that first line, that was our master plan for our treatment plant. The next line down is our wastewater pumping stations. That was a lot easier to put together. Um, we have 229 pumping stations out in the city of Tampa. U, industry standard is every 20 years you have to do a major retrofit. So, that's how we kind of put that together. And last, that's the actual pipes. We have 1,500 miles of wastewater pipes in the city of Tampa. Um 60% of it was put in before the year 1970, 20% of it for 1950. So it's past its useful life and um that's how we came because we TV our pipe and can rank them. We came up with um that 648 million over the 20 years. So that's the three master plans that we did. Where are we at now? So since the start of pipes, we've done 119 different projects and over $730 million. Um I just looked this morning about 60% of that right on the nose we've actually paid out to our contractors and consultants. Okay. One of the issues we did we're going to be doing is we did this before COVID before lots of inflation hit. We did put inflation in the master plans but obviously what we experienced was more than that and I just put a number in there of 181 million. We don't really know yet. So what we're doing is currently through contract administration department we have engineering services advertised and we want to select somebody and say look at all these remaining projects. what is the actual cost or the new cost to finish that 20-year plan and then look at some new environmental regulations that may have come up like POS and Forever Chemicals. Um on the wastewater side, it's not set set cast in stone like on the water side, but EPA is working on it. But now would be a good time for our consultant to look at it and us start to plan it a little bit. Okay. Okay. I'm not going to go through all 119 projects. I've selected three to go through. Um, you may have heard me say this before. Beayshore Wastewater Pumping Station. Pumping Station located in the median of Beayshore, South Bay Boulevard. Um, built in the 1950s. And the engineering standard at that time, hey, put all the pumps and electrical gear two to three stories below ground. Well, modern practice, you know, due to storm surge, um, climate change. Yeah, you can't, it doesn't happen anymore. Um, we were already starting this project when Hurricane Helen hit and it actually flooded out and destroyed. We had a stationary bypass generator, but we already had this project in the works. Um, good news is, um, this project started last year. We're supposed to be online by the end of next month. So hopefully everything checks out and we can start breaking down and be done by Christmas. Um, you know, it's a big sustainability part of this. If you could see there's a building and then a bunch of a bigger wall around it in the picture. That building holds the electric equipment. The wall around it stops the storm surge from damaging our facility and has a submarine door on the outside that we can close up during the storm. Uh second project at the Howard Current Advanced Wastewater Treatment Plant, people don't know is we produce about 60 tons of liquid oxygen every day. We take oxygen from the air, cool it about 240 degrees below zero, make it liquid, and then put it into our wastewater treatment process. Well, our original plant was built in the 1970s with cryogenic, it's called, technology, very old technology. Nobody's doing that anymore. And even less people you can find out in the community to service it. So, this is a brand new technology um that's been around, but not cryogenic anymore. We've selected the design builder for it, and it's about a $40 million project, and we'll be coming to you guys soon for the initial engineering services. And the last one, um, also at the Howard Current Treatment Plant, um, our aerobic digesttors. You may have heard me say during the wastewater treatment process, we collect a solid material called sludge. We have to treat that sludge to get rid of all the protozoneans and bad stuff. You do that in these very large tanks um, called aerobic digesttors and bacteria eat all the bad stuff, a lot less mass. We then take that finished material and haul it off site. The original anorobic digesttors were um built in 1950. Original part of the when the plant was first constructed. Um about three more years left in this. And that picture that you see, that's two of our 2.5 million gallon each tanks. And those are sitting on piles and we're actually coming out of the ground right now with the walls. And with that, I'll turn it over to Rory Jones. Thank you. Rory Jones with the uh water department. And like Eric did, u I'll kind of go over our original budget, what we've awarded, and uh a couple of trends, you know, one that's uh that's negative. He mentioned, you know, our construction costs um and then some positive ones out of it. I'll highlight a couple of uh projects and then give you a an outlook of what's going to be hitting the docket here soon. So we'll start with uh you know our original budget was 1.5 billion of that 2.88 or 2.9 billion overall program. um you know on this uh and to date we've awarded you know more than $630 million uh in projects and as you can see from the lower right um remaining from the original program was $878 million and it sounds good but um you know the really the takeaway from this deferred projects page is uh those two here in the middle and you can see the the really the upward trend that we're seeing uh the DT master plan projects and our distribution projects. Um we've got uh an an increase since the pandemic and that's really the main takeaway from this and at this moment we do have the construction costs estimated at deference as $67 million. Uh so our team put together this uh uh this comparison of this is our low bid contract and we had a couple of contractors on board pre and post pandemic and you can see the cost increases AC across the board. This is something that uh like Eric mentioned, we did build in inflation into the overall uh cost estimates, but uh not to the tune of uh what what incurred as part of the uh pandemic. And this is really u both labor and material costs, but it's not it's not we're not ringing the uh sounding alarm yet. You know, there is a lot of positive that's coming out of obviously out of the the pipes uh funding program. Most uh most notably here is uh we are seeing main brakes decrease and that's because we're replacing uh our infrastructure. Uh we do also have a downward trend in water loss which is uh which is a good thing as well. Here's another kind of graphical representation a heat map of those main breaks pre and post pandemic. And you can see on the right it's it is trending the right direction. So I'm we are pleased with what we're we're getting with our money here. And I wanted to highlight a couple of projects. And the first one here is the filter building improvements. And this is a $15 million uh dollar project. We're adding necessary capacity uh 20 MGD to our filtering process. Here in the highlighted yellow, that's really where the footprint of this uh structure is going. U we are adding deep bed uh biologically active filters. Um and it is augmenting um or adding to those bank of filters to the to the right of that screen as well. Uh this gives us the necessary capacity so we can properly service those those old ones. Here's some additional pictures of that uh footprint. And eventually that's to the left. That's what you'll see is the new building. Um the orange on the right is our existing uh filters. The new stuff is on the left. Um, this should be wrapping up by the end of 2027. Another uh 3D rendering of that as well. Uh, the next project I want to highlight is our uh chemical system improvements project. Um, this has been ongoing effort to uh decommission might have skipped ahead. So, here in the uh in the yellow um to decommission our gaseous chlorine disinfection process and we've done that. We had to clear out room where we were storing that rail car um to put in hypocchlorite generators. And in January it looked like this. This used to have railroad tracks in there and two 90 ton rail car units were in there. Uh we did decommission that. And today it looks uh a lot like this. A lot of piping um a lot of uh a lot of equipment in this room. And I'm excited to say that next week we're we're we should be commissioning the first uh on-site hypocchlorite generation um unit. This is going to give us um control of our own destiny, especially in adverse uh situations like hurricanes. We won't rely on those outside vendors to deliver chemicals. >> I don't know who's more excited about that, you or her. You both you got a big got a big smile. She's over there going. >> Additionally, it's much safer than the other as well. So this is basically low strength bleach, less less strength than what you would get at uh Publix, much safer for the community. So what's upcoming? Um so within uh a month or two, you should see uh an amendment for our uh six design. We're excited to kick this uh kick this off officially. Um within the next couple months, sitewide electrical improvements will be kicking off. And this really modernizes our electrical feed system at the plant. Uh it makes it uh makes us more redundant and it's much safer. It also adds additional generation capacity. So with all these improvements that we're doing with the with the pipes program, it increased our electrical capacity and uh we've had to replace these uh 25y old uh generators that no longer would uh service uh our electrical needs here. So we are replacing those as well. Um finally here is uh uh within the next couple months we'll be uh submitting a GMP for your approval as well. And this is replacement of really those intakes coming off the river. Um our original pumps are still in operation today. And uh this configuration helps us uh clean what's floatable and coming off the river and is providing a better intake. Should a prolonged um drought occur, uh we would have the additional capacity kind of pull in from the river. And um you know I I I although I did showcase some some downward trends you know with our uh construction costs I I can't imagine where we would be without the pipes program. I would hate to think about it. Um you know I'm proud of the team's accomplishments and uh look forward to our future. And with that I'll open up to any questions. >> Council have any questions? >> Council Carlson. One one thing that would be helpful um and thank you all for the presentation. But one thing that would be helpful is to show a track of the original total estimates. Um it was like 2.9 billion and how we're tracking against the total um so that we can we can see knowing that they're >> and that's what I've done on on on the second page the uh or the third page the deferred projects and we're doing those as >> I think you did it project by project. My my point is like the whole how's the whole budget tracking compared to where we thought it would be at this time just so we can see overall you know how h if it if if we >> under over >> yeah under over and then the other thing is um the water treatment plant um I think it was originally 100 million or something like that now 415 million any idea like how have you guys had an appraisal of it what's the what's the value of it >> of the of the DT >> what's what's What's the value of it that you put for insurance purposes? Is it more than 400 million? >> It's I believe over a billion dollars. >> Over a billion. Brad here. I think it's over a billion dollars. Uh is is from from an insurance perspective. >> And then um two other quick things for Eric and um uh one, thank you for the um the uh the the pump facility in front of Monte Carlo. I was asked questions about it again last night. And so, thank you for being proactive on that and moving that ahead. Um, same thing on the on the water pipes because uh because we were able to um plan this several years ago, we were we were um ahead of pipes breaking. You know, another thing, Rory, the it would be good to track the cost we were paying for the response. Remember when it was originally sold, the idea was that if we keep responding to these pipes breaking, here's the total cost. You showed the heat map just now, but it would be interesting to see the cost and how much we're saving even though the total project might have gone up if we're saving money by not having to replace those. >> I I did that and it and that because our construction costs are going up, it doesn't showcase well because we originally had these projects estimated at a certain value. Um the construction costs have gone up even though our water loss has decreased, our main brakes have uh uh decreased, our construction costs are up because >> but the ad hoc so if one if a road collapses because of pipe brakes, you would have to pay today's cost to fix it also. So that means those costs would have gone up too, right? That should be in the model. >> Yeah. It wasn't uh we had inflation built in, but we didn't have kind of the the post-pandemic uh material and labor costs to that extent. >> Anyway, we can talk about it offline, but I think it would be interesting to go back and show the public um if we if we had to at today's rates if we had to go and repair the the uh collapses and there would be more and more over time now because because the pipes are getting older, how much it would have cost. And then the the um the good news uh back to Eric on the on the facility in front of Monte Carlo that the neighborhoods around that were affected especially behind Stovall really really happy that they're that we're going to avoid the problems we hope. And then um and then the last thing that that the tanks what do you call the biotanks? >> Yeah aerobic digesttors >> digest um you know the folks on Davis Island were really upset a few months ago. Um it can what can we say to them about about will this fix the problem, do we think? >> Um, >> yeah, good question. And and what happened then is, you know, we got hit with some kind of chemical that we didn't know. We still don't know where it came from. >> Somebody came up with it. Somebody came up with a truck and dumped some stuff into >> somewhere. You know, we have 211 square miles of our service area. We think it was coming into the plant. You know, when you look at some of the u the data um and it killed our bacteria in their existing digesttors, which means the bacteria couldn't break down >> Yeah. >> the the sludge. All that's been healed for months. This will definitely help give us some redundancy, the two big digesttors, but we're also doing at the headworks of the plant at the very beginning. We have a big odor control unit that's about 40 years old. So, we're in the process of replacing that. We've hired a consultant. Um, that's all they do is municipal wastewater odor control um facilities, over 700 of them. So, we're 701. We've engaged them um in February. They're coming with their recommendations. You know, 30% designed to say, >> "Here's what we recommend." >> Is there a way to divert bad chemicals that might be coming into it? Have you >> Well, we're trying and we've done a lot. Um >> just you I don't want to waste everybody else's time on this, but for Davis Islands, especially those folks that were that were hit, it would be great to follow up with them with communication, say here are the three or four things we're doing, and if you could copy me, please, and just so they know that besides the immediate response, which I know you're on top of, you can say, you know, here are longerterm investments we're making to try to prevent this from happening again. >> I can do that. And and we've really cracked down on what's coming into the plant. >> Yeah. Thank you so much. to help preclude that from happening again. >> Thank you. Any other questions? Councilwoman Herch, >> thank you. Thank you for this report. It's always good to see where we are and you know, unfortunately what the economy has done has has, you know, kind of hampered our efforts, but it doesn't mean that we're not continuing to move on and y'all are doing good work. Um, my only question um was Mr. Jones, the the data you had was only through FY22. >> Yes. So it skews the data skews and thank you for uh for giving me the opportunity to explain that. I I should have done that earlier. >> The the hurricanes really have messed um and skewed the data. We had a lot of uh main breaks due to trees toppling over. >> Okay. >> Um equipment running over water meters hitting hydrants and it really threw the data significantly off. So, I was I don't mean to be misleading here and leave that data out, but it was really skewed because of the hurricanes. >> And that's fair. And I think though that I'd rather see it, okay, and explain it away. Okay. >> Because I mean, everybody knows everybody knows exactly what happened during the hurricanes. They know. I mean, all of that stuff makes logical sense. You said it right now. It makes logical sense, but just even then that that does tell part of the story because quite frankly, we we we still have to spend money to recover from that and then there's nothing wrong with that. I mean we didn't create it. We didn't create the problem. I mean the hurricane coming that wasn't that was an act you know a natural disaster. So so just knowing that it is another thing that we're having to spend money on that that does sort of hamper the continuation of the project and you know that's okay. >> Okay. >> So I do appreciate um both of you all. Um, I know really excited about the new six uh project um going in to help clean our water even more, but also to figure out what we can do. And um Mr. Weiss, you and I have talked about ways we can improve um the wastewater as well. So where so as we discharge, we're discharging less stuff. So again, I'm looking forward to like how we continue to to clean. I know the six wasn't as successful um there, but but whatever else we're looking at next, it's I know we're always on the cutting edge in this sort of technology. So, I look forward to seeing what what we come up with that we can continue to uh decrease um what's left over. >> Yeah. And that's with the updated master plan we're engaging now. >> Wonderful. Wonderful. Well, I look forward to that then. Thank you both so much. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Council Carlson. >> Yeah. Just one quick followup. I was just at a conference the last few days um where the um the the Florida CFO was presenting and you know they're going to they're taking a very superficial look at cities and counties right now but they're going to come back through and the more we can communicate along lines of what my colleague was saying the more we can communicate with the public about how even if the costs are increasing even the numbers don't look that great compared to the original we need to set expectations in the community otherwise the biggest one of the biggest complaints I get besides property taxes is why are my water rates so high? And and it's it's helpful to be able to show um what what the costs are and what these uh fees are going toward. And if it's not able to cover everything we originally going to propose we were proposing in the 2.9 billion, we need to start educating people about that so they know that it's coming. Otherwise, the state might come in and just say, "Okay, well you guys are wasting money. You've gone over budget. We're going to cut it." >> Thank you very much. Hearing no other questions. Thank you very much for the presentation. >> Thank you. It's always interesting. 69. >> Hello. >> Hello. >> Andrea Zelman, city attorney, and I have with me Abby Phy, who needs no introduction. Um, just quickly, this is obviously the discussion about pickle ball. Um, and I know you all are tired of hearing about this, but um, right now we still have the issue in this state of Senate Bill 180, which was the bill that was passed in the last legislative session that prevents us from adopting land development regulations that are more burdensome or restrictive than what is currently on the books. And of course, currently on the books, we don't have anything regarding pickle ball. So, anything that we were to add would most likely run in run right into um Senate Bill 180. And you had asked me to look at um other jurisdictions and I did. And what I found is that um in most jurisdictions that have any sort of regulations for pickle ball, it's things like um distance between the court and the next structure or you know setbacks um lighting hours that people can play um things like that. Uh what I didn't find was anything adopted since Senate Bill 180 with the exception of as you heard this morning um Hillsboro County um is talking about is in the process I should say of adopting a regulation. But let me say a couple of things for clarification about that. Um, first of all, we're we're talking apples and oranges because what triggered it in Hillsboro County was within a large master plan community um the developer or the homeowners association or whatever it is um is proposing to convert some tennis courts into pickle ball courts and neighbors that live nearby have asked for relief. Um, so but we've talked to both Abby and I talked to the zoning administrator in Hillsboro County and they haven't seen what you're starting to hear more of, which is people putting pickle ball courts in their own backyards. They they simply don't have that kind of thing happening in Hillsboro County. And if you think of their pattern of development versus SARS, you can you can understand why it really isn't an issue there. Um, but I want to note that they were told in Hillsboro County Commissioners that is were told by their legal department that they really shouldn't think about adopting a new land development regulation now because of Senate Bill 180. And they decided to go ahead. They did ask their legal department to ask the state attorney general for an opinion, an advisory opinion or a legal opinion on this. and they are going to do that. Um, but you know, again, I I don't want to say they acted against the advice of council, but they were advised by their legal department that doing a new land development regulation would probably run a foul of Senate Bill 180. And then more to that point, Senate Bill 180, as you've probably heard, has generated um a number of actions. There are several ongoing lawsuits by cities and counties and the thousand friends of Florida um about the legislation. There are also lawsuits in some other jurisdictions that have been filed by developers, homebuilders, property owners who are suing cities or counties that they think have violated Senate Bill 180. And then finally, and this is the course that we've chosen to go, we've been working with the city's state lobbyist, and I know Florida League of Cities is actively doing this um as are many other jurisdictions. were trying to get the legislature to do a glitch bill and fix the statute because clearly, at least in my mind, clearly um their intent was to respond to things that might have prevented people from rebuilding after a hurricane, but they caught a lot of extra tuna in that net or whales in the tuna net or whatever that metaphor is that I'm looking for. Um like our EORE parking regulations for example. So, um, we're hoping that there will be a legislative fix, but my concern, and I know I get accused of being riskadverse, but that's kind of my job, is to keep the city from getting into legal trouble. Um, my suggestion is we not move forward at this point in time with anything new until we see a few things. what kind of answer Hillsboro County gets from the attorney general, whether any of this litigation results in um positive results andor whether the legislature will simply agree to fix the bill. Um so with that, >> so I I have I have I have a question. So on a residential property, we don't have anything within our current land use laws to prevent somebody from building a pickle ball court. Like the nets, the size of the posts, the all these things. Surely there's >> this is why I needed Abby. >> Yeah. >> So, >> good afternoon, Abby Philly. Um, so setbacks are for structures. structure is considered anything over 36 inches in height. >> So from resi to resi there is not a quote unquote buffer. If there is lighting I mean we have >> but if it's anything that's if a pole is over 36 in >> then it would have to be set back three foot off the property line. >> That's it. >> Yeah. So I mean historically this has been and we have throughout the city tennis courts in people's backyards. Um, and that's, as you know, we're going to talk about our land development code. I mean, our land development code doesn't even say the word pickle ball, right? Um, from 1988 till now. But, um, so you there's nothing to stop someone from putting a basketball court in their front yard, a basketball net that you see on a typical driveway, and someone playing basketball till 11 or 12:00 at night. I mean what we do have is we have a noise ordinance and that noise ordinance speaks to plainly audible sound. You can hear after certain periods of time and that is needs to be enforced. One thing I can continually say in a lot of your land development hearings and things is the zoning department is not going out at 11:00 when someone's playing pickle ball. That's a land development regulation and we have to be mindful of what we're regulating and how we're regulating it. Um, and that's a lot of times when different alcohol applications come or a zoning and it says that somebody comes to you and says, you know, I'm a psychiatrist and our code says medical office. It doesn't say for a psychiatrist office for it's this and then it becomes well now it's not a psychiatrist there. So when we think about these things and we think about the adverse impacts associated with them, I think we need to think about what those regulations would look like or feel like and ultimately how would they be implemented and how would they be enforced. >> So how would we somebody wanted to I know I think this was Hillsboro County, right? They wanted somebody wanted to put a uh a rifle range or whatever that's called, you know, a range >> a shooting an outdoor recreation facility commercial is typically what we refer to those as. What if it was private? Like I just wanted to build a >> private target range in my backyard. Could somebody do that? >> We in the city. >> Yeah. >> Right now the code is quiet, but I would refer to like ATF on that. That's a hard question. I don't think that's one that's been asked in my 25 years. Um >> well I mean it just shows you the unintended consequences of things you know omissions you know you know I guess everybody's going to look for the weak spot right that's the uh um interesting I mean I and your your point about basketball courts is well taken because I know that's that's an obnoxious noise too thump thump thump you know. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So did you have anything else you wanted to add? I mean, I think one of the things we run into is even in our largest lots >> um with sideyards of 7 foot or the accessory uses and accessory structures at three foot. I know we spoke as uh Andrea mentioned, we spoke with Adam Gormley this morning, but really what the county is facing is you have a lot of more traditional subdivisions that have community tracks that are in them in their plat clubhouse and their other recreation. and um you have those things configured in a way that there are houses near them and then there are houses further in the subdivision. For us, we don't have a lot of typical subdivisions that way. Um I'm not saying we don't have any and New Tampa has a lot but >> Council Ver would council VA would disagree with that point >> but in our urban area um outside of areas like Gulf View and Palmia where our larger RS 100 and RS50 lots. So that's you know 100 by 100 or 100 by 150 minimum. Um that's where I think you're seeing more of these uh because you have the additional space in order to be able to um accommodate them in our more traditional 50 by 160 by 100 lot. You don't that's not where they're happening. So um I think right now what's on the books as far as the noise ordinance and that enforcement is is the place to start if people are hearing them. they want. Um, but I think I I already said too much. >> Yeah. Council Carlson, you want to say something? >> Yeah. Um, I I I don't know. Stop me if we're not allowed to talk about specific cases, but if um in general, if somebody has a PD, this was mentioned this morning, but somebody has a PD and it doesn't specifically show pickle ball, can they can they go back and put pickle ball on it? I >> I will speak in generalities if I may for a moment. So the use that we have currently um in the code which is in multiple locations throughout the city there's one in Eore City the pickle ball club right is called recreation facility commercial and then that's indoor or outdoor um and it the definition does not say it does not limit the activities that may occur there. So, if you got that use um and you've legally established it, I don't know that it would prohibit you from changing out one use for another use. >> And then what about the the argument about the permeable space? >> The permeable space. >> Oh, I'm glad you mentioned that. Thank you for that question. Um so, when people are coming in in the city of Tampa, if you are paving more than 150 square feet, even if it is a shed, um you must pull a permit. And that permit we do check for the storm water um requirements. So those are being checked and we do have many of these um courts that are on single family residential that I did do a quick sampling of and many they do have permits. >> Um >> I can't say all of them because I did not check all of them, but there's several in right now. >> At least you know that we got one one thing we can >> Yeah. I mean, my general philosophy on this is that I I don't think, you know, there's the private property rights argument that people should be able to do whatever they want, but when the sound intrudes on other people and they can't sleep, that's when I think that it it you know, you have to be considerate. Um the and so that gets into noise. You kind of mentioned this earlier, but if if whatever facility, basketball, tennis, pickle ball, if somebody's playing at 1:00 in the morning or after, can you just tell people what the rules are about sound and what they can do about it if there's a loud noise at what time? >> Yes, let me pull it up so I quote it properly. Um, and then it would be to call the non-emergency line for Tampa Police Department. Um, oh, fabulous. >> And let me say while they're looking that up, if if If there if we find a way to regulate this, I would I would I would support regulating it. In the meantime, um anything we can do to protect people from being up all night listening to this would be helpful. >> What kind of person is playing pickle ball after 11:00? I don't know. For disclosure, by the way, we had >> Can I just say for disclosure, my son is a co-founder of the Plant High pickle ball team, and I have this argue with with him every day. >> Oh, wow. I don't think this is the section I want. Um >> I will say also for disclosure, I never ever ever thought I would spend when I got elected spend so much time talking or thinking about pickle ball. I mean how many times people have come in and talk I mean whether tennis players are bad about pickle courts being converted or you know it's just it's crazy. It's just crazy. >> Anecdotally I did hear recently that they're they've come up with a paddle that is less loud. I guess that's part of the problem with the pickle ball paddles is that when the ball hits it, it's a louder sound than when a tennis racket hits a tennis ball. >> Maybe we should offer those for free like we do the lights, >> right? That's not what you were looking for. >> Those paddles are very expensive. >> Yeah, I know. I've never I've never played pickle ball, so I don't know. Just just >> 14. Section 14 154 states that it shall be unlawful for any person to permit, cause, allow, create, emit, or sustain unreasonably excessive noise from our property, including airspace thereof located in the city of Tampa, and not within the areas described in 14153, which is the exceptions. And it also says that unreasonably excessive noise from a property means sound from any property not within the areas described in 153 which is unreasonably loud and raous as defined in this section. Um, and then it gives the definition of that to mean any sound which because of its volume, level or duration jars, injures or endangers the health, safety, welfare or well-being of a reasonable individual or ordinary sensibilities. Um, >> and you said they should call the non-emergency police number. >> Did you have is that written down there somewhere? Does anybody >> I'll pull I can pull it up on my phone. Um, >> sorry to ask you all these questions, but just that this is what we'll get asked when we leave, so it'll be helpful. >> 8132316130. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Um, you asked another Oh, the other thing I was just going to mention, I think you may recall this. We had this also with like a CrossFit gym that was located in Channelside and they would go out at 6:00 a.m. to do the CrossFit and they would flip the tires and people could hear the tire sounds and there's so there's numbers of activities that spur this type of um you know complaint and that's where I think um we've managed to handle that through through >> remember the skateboard parks that was another one the skateboard parks in people's >> I'm just going to go on record is I don't care what you do in your house but I don't want to see people exercising at 6 o'clock in the morning I find that I find that completely Objectionable. >> Me, too. >> Are you awake at 6:00? I'm not. That's why you better not be waking me up at 6:00 in the morning. I have no dog likes to be out at 6. I'm exercising. >> No, no, no. Council her, you want to say something? >> Um, no. I just want to say thank you uh for bringing this discussion. I know it's in I mean, we're we're kind of stuck right now, but I appreciate the ability to regulate what we can regulate. Um, and then hopefully we'll have some sort of uh answer whether it be through legislature or through lawsuit. So I do anticipate um because just because we can't stop people from doing things on private property doesn't mean it's okay. So um so I do expect that to change to some degree. But in the meantime, not only should you call um uh police non-emergency if you have a problem, call your call your state legislator. And I mean, if if if you're up, they're up. I mean, that's that's that's the only way I can u encourage people to to really make sure if they want these laws changed, you really are going to have to reach out to the state legislative body who makes these laws. So, I would encourage people to reach out to their House and Senate member and make sure they they have their opinions known. >> I second that. >> Yeah. And I just want to reiterate that we're not just throwing up our hands and saying Senate Bill 180, we can't do anything. I mean, we are actively looking for ways to get this resolved. you know, again, working with our lobbyists, working with other organizations that are trying to get the um bill fixed and also monitoring all the legisl uh litigation. And then, as I mentioned, the fact that Hillsboro County is going to be asking for an attorney general opinion. >> That will be something we can watch for as well. >> Thank you. >> I'm happy to report that we have reached our last item, Abby Feelely, item 70. >> Thank you very much. Um Abby Philly, Minister of Development and Economic Opportunity. I'm here for the land development code update report that I give you each month. And um coming into this morning, I had this report written a little bit different and I'm going to want to talk with you and get your feedback on a couple things because um Melissa Zorita presented this morning on the comp plan update, where that is, what's going on with public engagement, when it's coming back, and where we are in the year right now, and what's going on. Um I want to be mindful about the public's engagement on both of these efforts, which is so huge. And um our goal was to um originally with the um time frame for the code was to have the public installment going out in December. Um and then through the last couple meetings I've had with the consultant over the last few weeks, you know, we spoke and we were targeting putting it out January 20th, which is right after the Martin Luther King holiday. And um hearing Melissa this morning, it seems like she's right on that time frame also. So I don't want and and let me sidebar for one moment on that. Um clearly I'm not following my notes, but let me sidebar on that because the transit ready corridors play into the land development code. um some of the other matters that they're looking at in terms of SB 180 and not to just be labor this again. Um we're talking about that also with the code. Do we set up two different versions, one that is okay, one that's not? Do we set up one version that we take and vet through and get ready to have an effective date of the October date when SB180 expires so that we get ready. I mean typically when you do major code updates or modernizations you do get the adoption and you leave a period of four to six months to gear things up, train the staff, get everything ready for when that effective date happens. it typically doesn't become effective the day you adopt it. >> Um so that being said, um um I I would love to hear some thoughts from you on um we we steered away from December 8th because it was going into the holidays. This is a very large it's going to be a very large document that's going to need time and public outreach. But I don't want the public to be torn between taking care of and finishing their efforts with the comp plan and getting engaged with the land development code. So I can my goal today was to tell you we've done the first first installment came in it came in in two pieces. The first piece we have given comments on um and we're having follow-up meetings on alcoholic beverage animals um that came up and also accessory uses and structures. So those three additional conversations are being scheduled right now while we're looking at the second part of the first installment which just came in last week. So, and one of the things I told you last month was it's very hard to put those out because they are in very preliminary form and we don't want anyone running off thinking this is what it is. So, um it's critical that we have those discussions, we close out those open matters and then we have a very robust public engagement which will take time. this is a huge undertaking. Um, and it's important that we get it right. So, that's kind of where we are. Um, I don't want to delay, but I want to ensure that everything's working together. So, after Melissa's presentation this morning, I asked her, I said, "Are you going to put this um on the website mid January?" So, you're getting public feedback, you're having those public meetings. I heard Councilwoman Herk say she would lead some of those other discussions. I just had a call with Evan as I ran back over here to say, "Let's make sure this is all aligning." Um, and we need to know what's going to come out of the comp plan to ensure we're on track for the land development code. So, I know that was a lot, but >> Councilwoman Herk, >> so I appreciate it. We're we're all in just a tough spot. Yeah. I mean there there's just no way around that. So personally my recommendation would be after we pass the comp plan as much as we can which will be I mean talking to the planning commission it's going to be things that we know will be okay the some of these transit ready corridors some of these areas where we're we're we're know we're we want to incentivize development that we that will be more than what we're giving now. So, we know they'll be okay to go through. Um, I don't see a reason why you couldn't put out a draft after that midFebruary. Give people a little, you know, a week or so to >> digest >> to to be done with the comp plan and then move forward because there's two things. I mean, yes, we're delaying, but on the on the bright side, they're already going to be in looking at development mode. So it's you're going from the comp plan which is a broader view to land development coach which is more specific. And I think that again having reached out having had those communications with with folks again uh about the comp plan will set people up in a good place. Um one month in government time is not that much. So uh and it also allows you and your team to make sure it's as good as it can be. And the other thing I would recommend is unfortunately similar to the planning commission when looking at things what we currently under SP 180 just the two two piles what we know we could get through now what may or may not be able to get through now because here's the thing we might as well just have the conversation now because as soon as we're able to move some things then we can just do them. The public's already been through it. If we're gonna if we're gonna do the public conversation, let's just get it done. So that's that's my recommendation. >> I agree. >> Anybody else? Council Mascop. >> Yeah. No, it's it's it's not delay. It's it's so much information between the land development code, the comprehensive plan. It's it's historically huge. This is going to be transformational for the next generation. It's not just you know we delay what you know like you said in government time what's what's a month you know and it's after the holidays people can take a breather but in the same time it uh people's mind will be set on you know what we have with you know the comprehensive plan you know the chart that was given to us this morning they're already thinking about it they go right into this uh it gives you more time uh but at the same time you know it's such a minor push back, you know, pushing it minor delay that that I'm good with that. You know, I think it's it's a good timeline and it allows the community to digest it, to read it, you know, no accusations of, you know, this was just sprung on us. You know, there's plenty of time for people to really look into it. So, I I agree with that. So, >> that's it. >> Thank you. Thank you for the presentation. >> Thank you. >> That concludes our agenda items. Time for >> what we do. Well, but wait, there's more. Time for new business. Councilman Carlson. >> Yeah, I just need to make a motion to re receive and file my um second my form AB for item number 22 earlier, please. >> We have a motion. Counciloman Carlson, second from Councilwoman Herch. All those in favor Council Vieira. All those in favor say I. I. Opposed. Eyes have it unanimously. Thank you, >> Councilman. That was it. Counciloman Aie. >> Yes, sir. Um I move to wave. So, so long story short before I read this, what I'm going to be re suggesting to city council is that we give commendations um next evening, next week at 5:00 PM. It will require waiver of the rules because it's something that we probably have to do in the evening to get as many people here as possible. So, this will um if if I get credit for making these commendations, then this will bring my total commendations up to about 2634 being on city council. No, I'm joking. It's going to be like 10 or 15 comments. I think it's probably more than 2,600 because I think you're under don't don't don't cut yourself short. >> You're talking about just this year, right? >> I know. >> I make no apologies. Damn it. >> I wonder how how many how many commendations have I made? Oh, I don't think I think zero. How many have you met? >> One. >> One. >> Give yourself time. They'll The commendation gods will reel you in. But so I motion to wave the rules of procedure to present city council commendations to pass members of the racial reconciliation committee next week at the October 15th evening session the start of the meeting. Given the meeting schedule is full, we will limit the presentation to 10 minutes. Further, I would like to motion to receive and file the summary report sent today by the facilitator. >> Second. >> We have a motion from Councilman Vieira, second from Councilman Manaskcalo. Any Did you want to say something about it? >> No. No, I just wanted to um we there was conversation about this a little bit earlier and I wanted to wait till new business to talk about it, but I I do I mean I I don't disagree with with the public and with the members of the committee who said, you know, this isn't this isn't fair, this isn't right. And so I think some of their suggestions about rolling this into other things, looking at it from an economic perspective are all very good. And so, you know, I I don't I don't see why we can't take this and do what they've said. So, I'm really looking forward to going through this report and then also, you know, hopefully having a chance to um to hear from them. >> Uh that would be that'll be really again, I really look forward to that and I look forward to seeing how we can morph this into just part of what we do as a city. >> Oh, yeah. >> We have a motion and a second. all those. Sorry. >> Um um if if one or more of them says, "Well, I'd like to say something," then it could end up being like a 30 45 minute thing, but I also don't see us saying they can't say something. So, how do you all want to >> Yeah, >> we could we could decide in advance that we would give them a minute each or something. Um >> what it I'm I'm just throwing because we got to talk outside of this room. I just wanted to throw >> it's a very long night. >> Is it a long long night? >> What is it next week? >> Anyway, we don't have to decide. >> I mean, if y'all if y'all want to do it, it's up to you. So, it's just wanted to throw it out so we could think about it. >> You know what we could do? I just And did you want to So, what we could do is So, we were actually going to have I didn't read this part. Prior we were going to have a reception um at 4:30m in the sister cities room. Perhaps council we could begin at 4:45 have the reception at 4:15 to because Councilman Carlson is right. We're not going to cut people off especially on this because what what happened was terrible and wrong. So um >> can we do that? Well, it would probably if it's an official meeting of city council, >> then then the evening notice has probably already been posted for 501 at this point. >> Can we amend it? >> We can't. What a shame. >> Well, but for for 15 for 15, it's not in two weeks. It's next week. >> Yeah, it's even less. >> Oh, yeah. We can't. >> What a shame. Then then look, I'm fine with it running 20 minutes. Okay. We we do the best that we can under the circumstances. Just we do need to do it. I would suggest in an evening meeting to get as many people. >> Are we talking about the 16th? >> Yes, sir. >> What am I missing? >> It doesn't seem like the >> eight eight items. It looks like >> no. October October 16th. >> October 16th. >> You said 18 items. >> No, eight eight items. >> It's not a long >> Oh, okay. Well, then yeah, that works. >> Okay. So, if I may, it it may run just a little bit. And by the way, I wanted to say what Councilwoman Herac said. I totally agree like I said which is I would have no problem with some sort of an economic opportunity committee or something of that nature because and a lot of the things that that that are here um we're doing such as the returning citizens thing. Whatever. >> What is this? >> I'm looking at one that's like I got two items on it. So, I'm like, what? >> It says two and then look. >> No, >> it says >> Oh, and then here six, but it doesn't list them. It doesn't list it. >> Okay, got it. >> It says continue to hear six, but yeah, they they didn't print out what it was. Okay, got it. Okay. Well, we have a motion. We have a second. All those in favor say I. >> Wait, but wait, there's more. >> Martin Shelby, City Council attorney, I just want to make clear for the record and for the public and for council to be aware that what you have received uh is a summary report by the um by the USF Institute of Government Facilitator >> and the facilitator. That's correct. This is not a final report. This is not a report of the committee. This has not been adopted by the committee, but for the purposes of now that the committee has been um officially dissolved, they now have the ability to talk amongst themselves about this without um >> sunshine, >> the sunshine law. But I just want you to know for the purposes of receiving and filing um the I want to read from council's rules of procedure just so you know the action of receiving and filing documents by the city council shall not in any way be construed to constitute concurrence or endorsement with city council of the matter being received and filed. >> Correct? >> So I just want that to be clear that council is not adopting it as receiving and filing it because it is not the final report of the committee. I hope we all understand that for everything we receive and file because just because something happens >> that is that is absolutely true. That does apply >> but something that crosses your desk. I don't know whe I'm glad you mentioned that because that is council's rules in the act of receiving and filing it. Um it's not an endorsement or an acceptance of fact. >> Yeah, >> that's clear in your rules. Thank you. >> Yeah. Very good. Okay. So, we have the motion. We have the second. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Mr. Shelby, you want to say anything before I say all those opposed say no. >> Nay, >> just kidding. I have unanimously hear you. >> And if I may, uh, one one last one. I don't know if you all saw the the video on the heart bus operator, Barbara Baker. Yeah. And so, um, yeah, she she was wonderful. She helped unite a lost child with her family. So, I did want to give her, behold, a consation. Anybody's welcome to come if y'all want to, um, come for that. So, yeah. >> We have a motion from Councilman Vier, second from Council Man. All those in favor say I. I. Opposed. Eyes happy unanimously. Thank you. Councilwoman Herzek. >> Okay. Um during the September 25th, 2025 workshop, we were informed that code enforcement was no longer enforcing ordinance number 2024-89 related to new rules for Ebar parking lots due to section 28 of SP 180 rendering the provision of the ordinance not null and void. Therefore, I move to discontinue the future bimonthly staff reports on Eore parking lots compliance. >> The next updated schedule uh the next update was scheduled for December 4th. >> We have a motion from Councilwoman Herk, a second from Councilman Maskcal. All those in favor say I. I. Opposed. Eyes have it. >> And um we had a we had a brief um update from uh from parks about the summer youth program. Uh, but I moved to have staff present an in-person staff report on January 8th, 2026 on the 2025 summer youth program. I would like the report to include things that were successful, areas for improvement, opportunities for growth, things that did not work, plans for the 2026 program, and how we can add more young people to the program. I've already cleared this with parks, and they're willing to do this. Then we >> we have a motion from Councilwoman Herk, a second from Council Malcol. Those in favor say I. I. Opposed. The eyes have it unanimously. >> And I do have something I just want to throw by council. I just thought of when we're looking at leftover funds from 2025, possibly putting some money into the summer youth program to allow for those more students that the community has been asking for because it it won't be that much money. So, just gonna throw that idea out there. >> It's in the atmosphere. So, there's that. >> Council, is that it? >> Yep. >> Was that was a light? >> Council Manako, >> thank you very much. I'd like to make a motion to add to the October 23rd, 2025 agenda a closed session to be held on October 23rd, 2025 at 11:00 a.m. in the 8th floor conference room of Old City Hall at 3:15 East Kennedy Boulevard in order to discuss the settlement negotiations in the case of Hops versus City of Tampa with the following persons in attending at the close session. Members of the city council, city council attorney Martin Shelby, city council city attorney Andrea Zelman, assistant city attorney David Harvey, and certified court reporter Valerie Westfall. >> We have a motion from Counciloman Moscalo. A second from >> Councilman Hertch. Councilwoman Hertch. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> I oppose. Eyes have unanimously. Thank you so much. >> Charlie, >> no. No. >> Councilwoman Herk, you you have something else. >> I had one more thing. I just wanted to remind everybody in uh under written reports that we got um we got the responses from the status of the city's working or rather I'm sorry 74 through 76 um the scope of review for the charter the structural changes the copy of the strikethrough language and the list of recommended changes from the city we got those were in written reports today so make sure you read them print them out whatever between now and two weeks from now when we have our discussion >> and remember I already I already submitted my suggestions months ago. >> Just saying that. >> Mr. Mr. Wait, well, hold on. The lawyer wants to speak again. >> Martin Shelby, city council attorney, I have been informed by the deputy city clerk that the request is to make um council Councilman Vieira's motions, two separate motions. You had one motion for commendations and one motion for filing of the report. The recommendation of the clerk is to have them as two separate motions. >> Yes, sir. So, if I may, Mr. Chairman, I move um to make a I move to make a motion to file the summary report that we received uh earlier today by email. >> We have a motion from Councilman Vieira, a second from Count Mascalo to file the summary report from the racial reconciliation committee facilitator. All those in favor say I. I oppose. The eyes have it unanimously. Thank you. >> Yes, sir. Then I hereby motion to have on October 16th at 5:00 p.m. the members of the racial reconciliation committee to come for a a brief a forementioned presentation with commendations to be given at 5:00 p.m. >> Yes, sir. We have a motion from Councilman Vieira, second for Councilman. All those in favor say I. I. Opposed. Eyes have it. Is there a motion to receive and file? >> We have a motion from Councilman Maskco to receive and file. Second from Councilman Vier. All those in favor say I. I. Opposed. Eyes have it. We are adjourned. We'll see you in all one week. [Music] [Music] [Music]