you ready okay hi good morning everyone we're going to uh call the Reno city council meeting to order as well as the uh Redevelopment agency board uh here um we have a some members on Zoom we have some members still to arrive and I think we have a member calling in um let me just confirm before we get started with our clerk um we have mayor Shi on zoom and did we have council member Reese uh join Madam clerk um at this time we just have mayor shebi online okay thank you you're welcome all right uh so we're going to um have a budget Workshop today looking forward to it one of our favorite things that we do frankly and and um I'm we're going to start with the Pledge of Allegiance and she doesn't know this is coming but I'm going to ask Carrie to lead us in the pledge Carrie kosy thank you to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all all right thank you so much for that and now we'll move on to our roll call Madam clerk thank you vice mayor we're calling to roll or we're calling to order the Reno city council special meeting for Monday March 18th council member breus absent at this time dur here Martinez here eert absent at this time Taylor here Reese absent at this time shivi here thank you Madame vice mayor you do have a quorum of the Reno city council all right thanks so much and we'll turn now to public comment and I'm first looking for any folks in the room excuse me who would like to make public comment and if you do please make sure you fill out a form and Madam clerk is there anyone for public comment we do have two public commenters today Ian Anderson followed by Jerry wager sorry Ian give me just a second sure what is going on with this mouse today it's all over the place members of the public may hear observe and provide public comment virtually by registering through the following link which can be found on reno.gov meetings https colon l i n KS period re n o period go oov SL capital c o u n c i l03 hyphen 18-24 it should be noted to those in the audience that comments are to be addressed to the mayor and Council as a whole comments heard under this item will be limited to 3 minutes per person and may pertain pertain to matters both on and off the council's agenda Council may not take action upon any matter not agendized on today's agenda when you're called on for public comment please state your name for the record and begin speaking the timer will begin when you say your name and you will be afforded 3 minutes for those participating in Chambers in accordance with Council rules 6.3.1 one while in this room please be resp respectable disruptive behavior from audience members like clapping yelling whistling Etc which impede the meeting May result in a warning issued by the presiding officer if this Behavior continues you may be removed from chambers if you're an attendee in the zoom meeting and would like to make public comment please raise your hand at this time Mr Anderson all right thank you welcome thank you my name is Ian Anderson and I'm a member of the City Parks and Recreation Commission and I'm a board member of the Reno youth Sports Association uh I'm happy to come before you today to represent those groups support for a budget proposal that will greatly improve Youth Athletic Fields in the City of Reno as you know the pros plan calls for up to $40 million to develop two parks that will result in a large increase in the athletic field inventory for Reno the development of these Parks is moving forward but still years away and so we're looking forward to developing uh a better a better current inventory of athletic Fields the pros plan also articulates the need to develop public private Partnerships to meet our goals for the city's Parks and Recreation infrastructure and programming City staff at The Parks and Recreation Department have proactively developed a plan to immediately increase the athletic field quality that our children play on by bringing the Mowing and field maintenance inhouse the families of Reno will have an improved experience both at soccer and football games and also throwing frisbee at public parks during picnics following the public private partnership model um of the pros plan City staff reached out to the Reno Youth Sports Association to discuss this field maintenance plan uh as a result rysa will be helping to underwrite the capital cost of the mowers and equipment and also increasing annual fees user fees to the City of Reno to help cover the costs of the field maintenance program I hope that you will all support this important upgrade which will result in improved Park experience for Reno families thank you very much for your done all right well we'll look for that in the budget thanks Jerry wager thank you name is Jerry wager um basically I think in 2008 with the budget reductions the city walked away from its responsibility to provide recreational space and opportunity for children three examples number one in the recently completed Pros plan the lack of outdoor playing space was the number one problem that the plan cited uh we haven't built a new field I think since 2008 approximately as the previous speaker talked about the fields that we do have are overused and very difficult to maintain as a result recently we've come up with an idea to put in soccer mini pitches and old unused tennis courts and uh directing those basically to underserved neighborhoods near School uh Elementary and uh middle schools second example it seems to me that in a lot of our recreational space and Facilities we've given over the 3 to six time period to adults for pickle ball and other types of things we need to basically take back that and give that back to children and put the programming to support with it as as well that's a critical time of day for kids that are out of school before they go home and the third thing is we've got a brand new shiny Aquatic Center that will open this summer but how useful is that going to be for lowincome people when my grandson was here last summer I took him to Idle Wild pool it cost $10 to to go into that pool for him and me from from 11:30 to 1:30 that day a handful of lap swimmers were allowed in the pool from 1:30 to 3:30 dozens of children were allowed into the pool at that point and then the pool closed at 3:30 just when daytime temperatures hit their peaks now what kind of sense is that if you don't keep pools open and allow people to use them in the afternoon and give CH uh parents a chance to take their kids there after they get out of work and let's make it more affordable well you can say gee if they can't afford it they can always go down and play in the river right we have some wonderful River spaces at Rock Point and downtown but if a city provides those kinds of aquatic spaces don't you think you have a responsibility to maybe provide a program for Universal free uh swimming lessons for kids thank you uh Jerry before you leave when you said soccer mini pitches in unused Fields were you saying that was a good thing or a bad thing it's a very lowcost approach prab things uh it was a good facilities for the US soccer Foundation but you're saying it was a good thing I certainly do okay I couldn't quite tell the way you present it thank you all right Madame clerk are there any more comments thank you madam vice mayor we do not have any additional public comment at this time and what about online we do not have any me any hands raised okay all right well we'll close out public comment I'm looking for a motion to approve the agenda to approve all right we have a motion from uh council member Taylor second from council member Martinez all in favor please say I I I any opposed all right the agenda is approved unanimously uh an approval of the minutes and these um do we have minutes because they're not listed here there are no minutes on this agenda okay and then uh there's no nothing on the consent today uh so closing that out and then nothing on public hearings and so now we're turned to our department items um and then I think we will be calling up our our uh Finance director and Madame vice mayor just for the record um we did receive one letter of Correspondence on this item it was a letter of concern that has been distributed to the Reno city council and is a part of the record okay thanks think you have to turn that on is it working there you okay there we go sounds a little different with the different setup here good morning uh Vicky vanan Director of Finance for the record today I'm very proud to be here to present to you our first rollup of the fiscal year 25 budget and what that's going to look like for next year and so we're just going to talk about today where I think we're going to end the year and then what the budget will look like for next year based on what we know at this point so we're really still in the draft phase of this so today I'm really looking for feedback from you all on what you would like to see in the budget um what would be the priorities and as we figure out um nail down some of the revenues a little closer if we can afford certain things or not what we should be building into it and then Vicki tell us how you've structured your presentation is it by uh fund is it by Department it's uh I have an agenda here just a I have several different sections that I've structured it by to do an overview at the at the very start um talk about the general fund the special revenues and other funds and then the fees schedule so have it kind of broken up and I've also put like a little um if you see it on the right hand side there that little triangle so I have sections set up so that I can stop at certain points and take questions on things okay so really it's about nine slides every nine slides I have a stopping point okay perfect so we'll try to keep ourselves to your nine slide stopping point but I want to encourage if anyone gets lost or something said that seems completely opposite of something you just heard then feel free to raise your hand and let's get the clarification when you know I don't want you to be confused the rest of the presentation if we're not understanding something but we should be able to hold our questions to the end of each of your groups of slides Perfect all right thanks of course so every year I start with this the alignment with the Strategic plan um for us in finance fiscal sustainability is the biggest thing that we build this budget around and then we also look at council's other priorities and make sure that we're meeting those as best we can based on the resources that we have to build the budget with this budget uh developing it we had a lot of economic factors most of them are volatile um fiscal year 23 and even calendar year 23 had really high inflation had a strong labor market um we did see interest rate hikes during fiscal year 23 that really made that inflation go up and it changed a lot of our um ideas on as far as how revenues are flowing and how they're coming in um the Consumer Price Index peaked in June at 99.1% and we're anticipating interest rate reductions in the current year as we move along but right now we know that um recently we've seen that um the index is still pretty high at this point I know the feds would like it around 2% and we're still running a little bit high so it may be a while before we see some interest rate reductions which will encourage people to spend more and so we'll get into that a little bit more as we move along but really you know last year was marked marked as a very volatile year um a lot of people thought we were going to go into recession thought that um we'd hit a soft Landing I think that's really what we've actually done is uh the feds were able to actually achieve that soft Landing for us but what that's done is kind of flatten out some of our revenues and it's given us essentially a flat budget as far as moving forward developing this budget um SE tax and property tax for the current year are right on budget I mean they are as close as you can get pretty much franchise fees are trending a little bit above budget for the current year and that's mostly the electric in the gas still a little bit above um we are seeing the economy still a little slow and it's going through that expansion and contraction cycle we will not have uh the final State Property Tax numbers until March 25th so we are still working through what the final revenues are going to be as we get more data points and work along toward the budget adoption so we do have some space to kind of change some things and also alter as we get more data Statewide sales tax projections are lower than what we actually see in our area so really they're seeing about 2.3% for the current year and 1.8 is their recommendation for next year what they're they're thinking but again that's Statewide and what we're seeing in Northern Nevada is a little different right now we're seeing uh uh consolidated taxes right on budget if that continues it will be 6% above budget and then we're looking at um anticipating about 4% for next year for growth and that's consistent with our other local agencies as well so when I built this budget I just wanted to give you a background of what's really kind of included in this budget so it's this is what I consider the Baseline budget first roll up so we take everything that we currently have any increases in some of those things and then uh service and supplies that we currently have increases based on contractual increases or uh inflation in some of those areas are built into the budget we build in general Capital as typically we've done in the past in past years and then uh we also built in OPB and contingency we've increased the allocations for risk and workers comp and Fleet based on the usage and based on the increases that we've seen in some of those areas and then we've um realigned some of the public safety Severance and other payouts to kind of match what we're actually seeing with the high retirements that we're seeing right now so we've realigned those for the year um in this buildout too we've also included the gemt funds to fund the apparatus program with this budget development we knew know that we have some facilities that are coming online in the late summer early fall and that would be the the Moana pool and the public safety center so for those facilities they will require some staffing for that so as part of this budget it we built that in because it's something that's needed for ongoing continuing to do what we typically do every single day and so for the pool we have five full-time positions and the temp Staffing that would be required for that and then we have um uh maintenance staff for the new facilities the pool and the public safety center to full-time maintenance technicians to make sure those facilities we maintain them we keep them to the standards that they should be and um continue that um maintenance so that we don't get in a space of deferred maintenance on these facilities from the start um also included is One Police Lieutenant the police currently has an overhire that was done to fill some gaps during retirements and such and what typically happens with an overhire is we take on an overhire and then as a position becomes vacant they move into that position so it's not an additional position for police in this case police is asking that um that position become a full-time position going forward because they really feel like this is something that they need to maintain their Staffing levels we've also included the extra cost for all the maintenance uh for the facility the utilities janitorial supplies other things that are going to be needed for those two brand new facilities so we've already built that in here and then as a reminder I just wanted to put up here so that you could remember that uh pers members for regular members is 33.5% and for police and fire it's 50% currently that does go up every other year uh the next Pur increase will be in fiscal year 26 so not with this budget cycle but we are already planning for that for the next budget cycle not so the total budget if as we're looking at it for fiscal year 25 and again this is just Baseline is $ 966 million it's approximately a billion dollar budget the biggest portion of that is the general fund at $343 million um special Revenue funds include the funds that are restricted to a specific Purpose By Law so we have to spend those on a specific purpose those would be your street fund cdbg room tax those would be your special Revenue funds your Enterprise funds are your funds that are treated like a business and the intent is that the cost to provide the services is paid for by the user using the services so we have two Enterprise funds that's the building fund and the sewer fund and then internal service funds we have our risk workers comp Fleet and medical funds those are services that the city provides to the Departments but we provide those internally full-time positions we have 1,493 total full-time positions these do include the M positions for the public safety center that I mentioned previously and you can see on here that fire has 313 positions police has 44 three and if you see dis dispatch on there has 58 so between those three for Public Safety you're looking at 54% of our total full-time positions are dedicated to Public Safety additional funding requests you'll see in your packet that you received with uh the staff report each year each department puts in their additional funding requests these would be requests for new positions uh new services that they want to provide um new equipment or things that they feel are that they would need in the future to best do their department and it's not necessarily um the number for fiscal year 25 it could be out several years so they're asking for things that they may need over a series of years as well but the total of the ask this current year is $56 million and about half of that would be from the general fund and then if you look at the breakdown by Department uh the biggest department on here is maintenance and operations and that's because maintenance and operations had on their list a satellite facility for the uh Street and Sewer uh facility in the North and the South for the salt sand Basin so they had some large cost for capital in there for those type of facilities and that was a big ask on theirs if you don't see a department on here it's because they didn't ask for anything like civil service for city attorney's office Finance you don't see those listed because they did not put in an ask for anything most of the ask outside of those uh satellite facilities for maintenance and operations were for additional people so you had a stopping point here with your triangle I thought I did no it's on page 11 okay you just went by it oh I did sorry okay is that where you wanted us to pause absolutely you got me okay um so let's start um any questions in the room yeah M Taylor thank you Madame vice mayor thank you Vicki for being here I have a couple questions um and they're just to help me understand basically the first one is on page six when you talk about a million doll contingency I was wondering if you could explain what that is and how that works a little bit absolutely thank you um the contingency is for something that we don't necessarily budget for during the year it's something that pops up and could be an emergency purchase it could be an emergency item of some kind or something that the council deems that necessary during the year and we didn't necessarily budget for it in the current year we have not spent any of the million doll contingency um and the the intent for the current year is that uh if we have not had an emergency of any kind or a need to use those funds we'll put that toward the OPB trust and bring that back to council with the fourth quarter augmentation uh if you remember last last year opep trust we did not budget for it in the current year and so this is a good way to Circle back and if we don't need those funds go ahead and dedicate those to the trust so that is the intent for the current year um next year again we would have a million dollars in contingency for anything that may come up um in Prior years we've used it um for a fire Tru we bought a used fire truck at one point when we needed one so that kind of thing okay and then I have um a higher I guess level question if we're looking in about $ 56 million in additional funding requests approximately how much do we have to work with we don't really have anything to work with because we're in a flat budget that's great news well but we do have an opportunity to shift some things around you know based on council's priorities so we haven't locked in the revenues yet we won't have property tax until March 25th so there may be a space where we see revenues are coming in a little bit higher than what I have here and there may be a space to do a few things but for the most part there's not going to be a big space to do a lot of things but maybe a few things okay and then can you explain to me what an over hire is I just don't understand what that means is that like a part-time or temporary position or no It's when um say you have someone retiring and you want to bring someone in early to train with them before they retire so we would call that an overhire they're basically filling the same slot but you have one kind of sliding into that new slot we do it quite often in departments where they want to do that overlap training and in this case they have an overhire currently and they would like that to continue as a regular full-time position okay the last question um Madame Vice May that I have and it should be quick is it looks like we need seven people for the Moana pool and did we know that going in when we were building that and did we budget that somewhere as the sort of new that we're looking at we knew that we would have additional costs going into that I didn't know the the final piece of it peoplewise until recently we knew what the maintenance and operation costs were so we had already built that in but this piece as far as the people that would need to run it is kind of offset by the revenue that's going to come in from the pool okay thank you so much thank you madam vice mayor yeah thank you and I'm going to just ask a quick followup to her question so are the seven people for the Moana pool are they in the 56.4 million or they ex separate they are already in the Baseline budget cuz we need them to continue for in order to continue operations as we are going forward with the city they would need we would need those people on staff to bring those facilities online all right can you stop my time I'm going to come back with my questions but I want to go to council member Martinez thanks so much um Madam vice mayor thanks Vicki for all the work on putting these packet together in the slides and sending them out I just wanted to get sort of an understanding about um the SE tax projections and the 6% and kind of what that would mean in dollars if your estimates are correct I saw the trend for the whole state I think you said it was 1.28 or something like that and we're you're projecting six so I'm just curious where the differences lie I'm not in economics I just want to understand that a little bit more sure the state is always a little bit less than what we are because in Northern Nevada we're our Trends run a little different than the state as a whole when you look at their Statewide projections and so the 6% for us would be about $6 million because based on $100 million in general for the the SE tax we would look at about $6 million great and then during the portion where you were talking about the asks from each department you specifically identified Community safety departments and I'm just wondering how we Define that what departments are included when we talk about Community safety within the city of reeno Public Safety yeah public EXC Public Safety would be police and fire and dispatch okay thank you of course okay let me go to uh mayor shivi thank you so much I appreciate it um Vicki let me ask you when you are looking at doing this budget can you kind of tell me I I assume that you do it basically by you know certain priorities can you give me a breakdown of what those priorities were when you when you go into this budget process sure we we uh look first at what we have currently to maintain current operations so we look to cost out all the positions that we currently have any costing uh forward on that for Purge changes increases in um longevity step increases for employees as they move through because just because we have them this year they don't cost necessarily the same next year as people move through their steps um we also look at Severance payouts that we may have in the future to budget those uh Capital really this Baseline first rollup of the budget is just to maintain everything that we have and then see what we have left over if there's things left over then we can look at adding things to the budget in this current year we don't have really anything left over but there are some opportunities for example like last year where you uh wanted to fund some things so maybe uh we don't fund opep or some other things that we've done in the past um that's that's really going to happen in these years where we have a flat budget okay I guess I'm just looking to understand how it is you define the priorities and when that comes into play and what those priorities are exactly how how do you sort of dial down on that well that's that's what this process is today is this Workshop just to to hear your feedback and to know what council's priorities are so if you're priorities are Public Safety and police and fire can we fit something in that space can we fit something in parks in that space really if you can tell us what your priorities are today we can see what we can do as best we can to fit it within the resources that we have and that will be what we'll bring back to Council on May 1st yeah no I appreciate that and obviously doing several of these and I think you have done a tremendous job Vicki I think um you're very very thoughtful you're incredibly smart um so I'm I'm really glad that um we're going through this together I just my experience in the past um and I shouldn't you know weigh on the past but my experience in the past is that Council will say these are our priorities and then um and not with you um since you've been there but I this is I always say this every year I want to make sure it's a council driven budget not a staff-driven budget so I want the council be to be cognizant of what exactly our priorities are and to dial them down because that's where I think sometimes we have a little bit of a conflict and I think we also that's a fine line because you guys are the experts each department is they know it much better than we do and so therefore you know we so have to be very aware of the needs of the city um that we might not necessarily think are sexy or fun so I I just I need you to be extremely honest about the things where we're you know not running after shiny objects versus things that are super critical to get done so I want to be you know very thoughtful um have a very thoughtful approach when we when we do this so I just you know I I would just ask for you to be very very transparent and honest with the council which I think you've always done but I want to make sure that um you know if there are things that you think are absolutely critical that we focus on as well I think we also need to understand that from you um but I also you know I think we play a very different role than inside the the city and so we hear a lot of the constituent concerns of what their needs are so it is a balance but I also think that um we have to be cognizant of the things that also have to get funded I hope that makes sense thank you mayor uh did you have any response no I I just wanted to say one quick thing even if you have a small ask a small priority something you think isn't very large go ahead and let us know that way we can look to other funding maybe it's not general fund maybe it's room tax maybe it's um RCT funds maybe we can fund it with a different funding source so if there are things that um you have as a priority on your list we can write them down and we can kind of see what space we have to maybe work with some of those okay all right thanks and we'll come back to you mayor for more all of us um I'm gonna just weigh in I want to note that council member ree has joined us and he's goingon to have some questions too but I'm going to just do mine um following up on what you just said um at what point are you going to want us to weigh in on our priorities in this presentation today anytime you tell us priorities as we go along we're making notes my stff making notes and so that we can Circle back with manager Thornley on these all right so one of the questions I have is you kept referring to and saying things like these positions are in the base but I think we need a really clear idea of uh what positions that you're adding into the base and where would we find those in this is this in there somewhere um right here these are all the positions the only new ones that have been added are the five pool staff the two maintenance workers for the new facilities and then that Lieutenant overhire everything else these positions already exist are already funded these would be the only new positions that are proposed okay in space I think just as a practice um I I want to be careful um the the state had an interesting way of doing this I I work for the state uh for quite a while and what they would do is the base is what we have today uh maintenance is what is it going to take to keep doing what we're doing without you know and that's where I think these things would would go in yes right CU we've added a new thing but we have to maintain it and then enhancements are new projects and new ideas if we were just starting the pool and so I would really appreciate it if somehow you either in this budget broke these out as sort of what we need to continue the projects that we've started okay okay so we can is very transparent to people and not sort of embeded so a question I had is when you were talking about around that page number you mentioned the public safety center and I wasn't clear when is that supposed to come online believe it late summer early fall same time frame as the pool okay and are we going to need additional staff to you mentioned for example dispatch but I didn't hear anything about dispatch staff uh dispatch no we would not have additional dispatch staff it would be the same Staffing we just be police moving over to a new building whereas the pool is a whole new facility coming online this is police over an existing the size of this facility though compared to their old one they would need an extra maintenance worker to take that's what I was wondering so where does that person fit in in the two maintenance workers one's for the pool and one's for the public safety yes okay all right um another question I had was on page seven um what I was unclear and I thought you should just take a moment to explain this under purs you you you lay out the percentages but can you go over for all of us what that means sure this is the uh public uh employees retirement system and so Pur to pay into that system the city pays these percentages of the base wage of the employees so for example for police and fire members they have a base wage plus 50% the city pays into purs for their retirement so what I would like to know is is there a change from a current year in the current year no but there will be a change for fiscal schol year 26 so as we move into like the 10year projections and talk about those we're looking at those changes every other year and the 10year projections so that is um just showing uh that's a across theboard maintenance level of what's today yes okay all right I have more questions but let me turn to council member Reese and uh welcome to council member Ebert who's joined us now and council member re thank you Madame vice mayor Miss vanban thank you for the excellent starting point for all of us I think um the reason why this is so important and why each of our colleagues has questions is because you know for all of us this is the most important thing that we do each year I think the slide three really is for me the starting point because it tells us how we prioritize the various things within our strategic plan and so your question for us was really you know identify your priorities and I might speak to that in a moment but I want to first thank you and your staff for being such great stewards of resources I feel like in the five or six budgets now that I've gotten to see um it really has changed over the last really three or four years because it has been driven by a really intelligent and articulated vision for first and foremost fiscal sustainability right so the idea that we have had a balanced budget for the first time in in decades the idea that we are paying down significant debts that we have refinanced bonds where we could and that you've been um we'll just say conservative in your estimates meaning you have been thoughtful about how we prioritize and not grow so quickly that our uh ass outstrip our gains and so I know that that's been difficult because of the nature of our economic climate and some of the changes in the way that we're funded but really you you and your staff have done an excellent job of being realistic with us part of the problem in the disconnect is that as electeds we all have priorities that we believe our constituent driven and we want lots of things right and I think the mayor referred to it as maybe shiny things but you've been a good um leader uh in helping us to understand what we could do versus what we dream about sometimes our budgetary ass are That We're Dreaming out loud about a thing and then you're quick to tell us here's either how we can do it where we can do it in other funds how we can partner with other agencies and I'm constantly Amazed by how many times I've had a particular ask and you've said well it's not going to happen in this way but now that you've identified the ask let us work on making it happen in a different way whether that was through cdbg or arpa funds or Road dollars or partnership dollars with other agencies and that helps us to stretch our dollar as far as we can in any different direction so I appreciate that the alignment with strategic plan I'll come back to that because for me um it identifies the things that I am concerned about as a council member the first is Public Safety I feel like um we continually uh stretch and Pull and some years we're working on Shoring up fire and other years we're working on Shoring up police um and so those two are sort of the the Touchstone and Hallmark for me in part because there are Charter driven responsibilities to provide those Services I do worry that because we have retirements and because we have fewer police officers today in a city that's growing that we really need to concentrate our efforts Madame mayor and I have been talking for some time about figuring out a way to have a greater Community Based policing presence so that means um having substations for example in Wards right and so for me my priority in this budget is really trying to figure out how do we add police officers into um a community that has a growing need for uh greater um police resources and so that's the first one the second one is really where we've been trying to take shipping away at it which is uh parks and pools we'll call that the second P so we got Public Safety then parks and pools and the last one is really for me is priorities and that could be a a mix of things and that's shown on the Strategic plan as well because it would Encompass for me things like um our affordable housing issues uh uh homelessness uh Economic Opportunity so those are really my three priorities so Public Safety parks and pools and then the sort of grab bag of priorities that we'll talk about but I think you're doing a great job and you're really helping equip us with the tools to try to make good decisions so thank you right thank you councilman ver and let me check in with council member eert did you have any for this round of comments questions okay well let me go back um council member Taylor any follow-ups I don't have any follow-ups Madam vice mayor I I will have some priorities but I want to get through a couple more slides on the presentation thank you okay Mr Martinez anything uh no not at this time I will have some more questions about the fee schedule but I know that's coming up later in the presentation perfect and Madame mayor would you like to continue with some thoughts no I I just want to one thing I would ask is that we um miss van Beren will you keep us on track and then I'd like to see the full presentations and then ask questions so that we're not interrupting your your presentations so that um because I think sometimes we jump in and ask questions and you've already addressed it so if you could keep us on track and um ask for questions when you're ready I think that would be really helpful too so we can go through the entire present AB Madame mayor you may have missed this part but um at the beginning um miss voran explained that she's going to be pausing about every nine or 10 slides she has a red triangle on the PowerPoint I don't know if you can see that where you are and she that's the point she wants us to pause and ask our questions so that's what we've done now is she had a red triangle and so she wanted question now okay perfect okay perfect and then anything else though no for now okay then um I just wanted to make a comment too like my other colleagues I was going to hold um and talk about my Global priorities till we got a little more into the slide presentation and um let me just ask I I had one question on this set though the I also had a question about the million-dollar contingency so where does that live what what bucket is that under it's in the general fund is it but is it um set aside in some way is it in reserve is it in Balance forward carry forward is it it's budgeted each year just in case there are things that come up that aren't within our budget but is it its own line item then it is yes okay okay I got it and you said we hadn't used it last year in the current year we have not used I me this year we're in okay all right and then let me ask council member ree any follow-ups and council member Ebert anything all right I think we're ready to move on with your next trunch okay presentation I'm G to move on to the general fund and the general fund as it's built is a balanced budget before you it's $311 million that does include um the ending fund balance in that number and if you're looking at Consolidated tax and property tax that's 59% of the total in revenues that we have coming into the general fund um the other big big portion we have there is 24% from fees licenses and permits that does include uh franchise fees within that number so that's why that one becomes a bigger portion of what we get as far as Revenue into the general fund general fund history I like this slide because it shows that we're we never really have any big jumps as far as um high high years or things that happen just extraordinary out there just shows that all of our revenues Trend very smooth kind of across time and they grow but they're not going to grow in some big jumps where we're we're going to see a lot of things and be able to do a lot of things each year that's why it's so important that we're strategic about lisening to what your priorities are and figuring out how to make those work within the dollars that we have looking at these same revenues I just wanted to break out um some of the year of percent changes in them you can see that property tax generally goes anywhere from 7 to 8% increase each year that's been very consistent C tax you'll see was 19% increase in 21 and 10% in 22 a lot of that had to do with stimulus funds during those years and then for 23 we actually declined 1% in seax and since this is our biggest Revenue source that was very significant for us um if Council remembers last year we did talk about this throughout the year and we knew that franchise fees were coming in higher last year so the franchise fees that came in higher offset that amount that we were um under budget for Consolidated tax but that was really that flattening that we talked about when we built the budget last year we knew that our revenues were going to start to flatten and so we built the budget based on that not continuing to grow but knowing that we were going into that cycle so for next year I have anticipated the 6% because right now we have three months sorry 6 months of seax in through December and it's right on budget if we continue on budget we'll be 6% above prior year franchise fees you can see have really grown um 21 22 and 23 do include some audit recoveries in there that's kind of skewed a little bit but for the most part they have really grown over the years and have making up some of that space where SE tax was flattening so it's been a really good um situation for the city in that regard same revenues again um major Revenue sources but I like this one too because it really shows what I'm talking about with property tax you see that stepping increase very steady very consistent you also see that in licenses and permits and charge for services again just steady increases that go along you look at seax you'll see the the green bar which was 22 actuals and the blue bar which was 23 actuals that's where you saw that dip so seax is the one that's going to fluctuate more so than the others the others will be consistently steady when you look at Consolidated tax it's made up of several things has a small portion that comes from cigarette tax liquor tax government services tax which is your motor vehicle tax you'll see that when you renew your vehicle real property transfer tax which is actually down this year that's when someone sells or when sells or buys a property that transfer of the property and since we know when interest rates spiked property sales declined um people were holding off and purchasing and even selling because they have low interest rates they're not going to sell and move somewhere else so those have declined a little bit in the current year the last two uh number five and number six those are different ways to calculate sales tax so um really 80% of Consolidated tax is made up of sales tax so that's why it is so volatile and just breaking down seac a history of it um the adopted budget is in the green and then the actuals are in the blue so you'll see in fiscal year 20 um we were under budget a little bit um and then 21 you'll see that uh we had 19% % growth a year-year change it's on the bottom in 22 we had 10% growth and then that 23 we had the negative 1% growth um the variance over under budget in 23 was $8 million we were under budget but it was made up for by uh franchise fees that we recognized really early on in the year we knew SE tax was down um based on fear of recession during that time but franchise fees being up we knew it would fill the Gap this gives you a monthly breakdown seax Trends very similarly every single month and so we trended out based on the month you can see the dark purple line that's our actuals for the current year so we've received six months worth the dotted line that's our budget and you can see the first couple of of payments we've gotten this year were a little bit above budget um and then we had a couple of months that were below budget and then for December we were right back on budget so we are right on budget for the current year for C tax we look at property tax property tax is very consistent then you see those bars of consistency as we go across ranges anywhere from 6.8% up to 88.1% depending on the year and the amount of new construction and such that's come online but it's been very consistent um and without a recession we think it will continue to to Trend in that same manner so this is my last slide at this stopping point talking about all the revenues for the general fund this is gives you an idea of what property tax and C tax have looked like as we trended you can see during the recession um where the areas where property tax and C tax kind of declined in there and then the building permits t to follow kind of the same pattern as seax so you can see the lines very similar to that and from 20 fiscal year 22 to what we're projecting out for fiscal year 25 you'll see that flattening of the building permits that's that that um flattening of the economy that we're seeing right now why we're not seeing larger growth than what you would normally expect during a normal trend so with that I will stop here in case there are questions all right thanks so much very good um anyone like to start uh Miss Taylor please thank you m excuse me thank you madam vice mayor so I have a couple questions on this when we are looking at our revenue and we have different portions of it could you explain to me so like there's a dollar that we get there's a dollar how is that dollar divided up between the other entities or agencies that we're getting revenue from so property tax we don't get all of the property tax we have to split that up with other agencies we do we split it between waser County um School District um yes it is split up between other agencies so what I'm going to be interested in is going through um looking at our fiscal sustainability priority in the budget is how that matches up with our resource allocation so when we're getting if if Washo County say how much of every dollar do they get for property tax do you know that and uh I don't have that right off hand man manager Thornley may know that off hand I don't need to know it right now but what I'm curious about is is the revenue that we're getting and the services that we're providing for the City of Reno is is it Equitable throughout the region and that is going to help me try and meet those fiscal sustainability goals because these taxes are going up and down and there's nothing that's going to take us over the top so there might be some further discussions that we need to have with agency partners about what the services look like that we're providing what the Count's providing what other agencies are providing and ways that we might be able to work together does that kind of make sense and and we actually are currently working on a a fiscal analysis of what's happening in the area in the region and who's providing what services and such but that's going to be a collaboration between the city and the county and even Sparks um so it's a much larger thing than what we can control but we can certainly work with our partner a agencies and try to figure out who's best to provide some of these Services who can afford to the pay them based on percentages that they're getting as far as property tax and such things like that sure so like when we look at Four Street and the resources that we need there for enforcement I think that we might be able to work with waso County they might have more resources allocated to them than we do in in that department so there's a piece of the pie and it's getting split up between everybody so we're we're um we're all working for the same same piece of the pie basically and and Reno gets a small portion of that based on our what our Revenue generation is abely and and is it actually a small portion of the property tax or it I it's about a quarter so council member or I'm sorry vice mayor do or council member um for every dollar of property tax that's collected inside the political jurisdiction that is the city Areno we keep 26 Cents the school district takes 31 cents the county takes 38 cents the state of Nevada takes 5 cents and then there's less than a penny a tenth of a penny goes to undergrounding water facilities for so will you say that again 26% or 26 Cents of that goes to city did you say 31 31 goes to the school district M 38 eight goes to the county MH five goes to the state and one you said goes to less than one a tenth of a penny goes to undergrounding water facilities for tomwa underground okay great all right uh Mr Martinez I don't have any further questions go to Mr Reese thank you okay uh Miss Ebert anything uh Madame mayor anything from you on this section no thank you okay um so let me ask a question you said we have 56.4 million total in new requests and what do we have comparable to that in new income in dollars versus percents we don't so there there'll be opportunities where we may have to make you as Council some choices based on what your priorities are so there aren't really any new doll to put toward anything in this budget well but let me ask you you said that property tax increase 8% did so that's 8% more and I know we have cost of living and all the things that go which I would call again that maintenance piece to keep the same people employed pay raises deal with increased Insurance maybe um increased costs on on buildings all the things to keep us going just inflation um what I'm asking you is what what is the total major Revenue income coming in so we can just better understand that something's coming in it is coming in but the the amount coming in is just needed in order to continue what we currently have so we have if you're looking at salary and benefits each person moves through a step they may you know they're moving through their steps as they're here that's 5% every step they move through so we recalculate that there are costs for longevity and other things that are factored based off of their base salary so in general you're going to see a 3 to 5% increase in salary and benefit cost without even adding one thing to the budget but maybe you're not prepared to speak to it today but I would like to know how much more income is coming in even if that has matched to maintenance cost to do what we're doing without adding any new programs or new things uh I still would like to understand that better not just in percentages okay and then um is there a day that we will see the 56.4 million understand we can't fund that but I still before I make decisions I would like to know what the budget uh the Departments have asked for increased budget uh the additional funding requests were included with the staff report it was one of the attachments so um most of the most of the items that were requested were positions so they're all listed in there and if you have specific questions for any of the Departments they're all here to represent their department and expand on some of that well but I mean it's it's good even if it's for next year because it sets us up to understand what the Department's view their needs as um for example let's say that we need to patch pavement um in the Parks like fix the paths um and there's plenty of these examples in our 88 parks so maybe uh people in operations of Maintenance or Public Works depending who takes care of that would say that that's just needed to maintain what we have our existing Parks so their argument would be we need these three people or think of it in dollars $300,000 to patch cracks in in uh Parks so their view that as maintenance uh not a new program so what I want to understand is you've selected about five position or sorry five six seven eight positions I think as maintenance is there more dollars too that you've put towards maintenance not just positions but dollars for those facilities for the new facilities yes and will you characterize those somewhere in this presentation not it's outlined just on that one slide that said you increase utilities cost of chemicals for the pool um janitorial services those kind of things um we fact in and it's about $400,000 okay that's just for the pool though for the pool and the public safety what I'm just trying to get at because this is going to be one of my priorities later I want to understand to we've heard a lot of issues with parks that you know at least I have from our constituents this needs to be fixed this is broken weeding equipment Etc many people would argue that's a maintenance of what we already have not a new thing so what I'm wondering is I'm just trying to understand is there any more money in the Parks budget to maintain what we have or no Parks Parks uh as it's built they would get the same $700,000 that they got last year to do any maintenance that they have and then they would prioritize that based on the needs within the department um I do know that um last year when we met with Council we talked a lot about deferred maintenance and we know we have a lot of deferred maintenance maintenance we just can't get to because we don't have the money to do it and so we've purposely kind of gone into this route where we have buckets of money that we give to parks and then they can determine what those maintenance needs are based on you know safety or mandated by something would probably come to the top but they have that ability to flex and um thank you and then Madame mayor did I I don't recall if I called on you for this segment did you have more on the income side of the house here okay all right well here oh yes back round Mr Martinez thanks so much Madam vice mayor as we're talking about the revenues I was going to wait until we talked about um this excuse me the fee schedule updates but I'm just wondering if we can also touch on the point that Council uh mam vice mayor derer was making about how we can offset some of those costs to the general fund if we're making any changes to that feed schedule and if you can kind of break down like if we're doing the user fee updates if that's going to go to offset some of these positions that are being asked for or if this is just to replenish some of those services so I think for me to understand it a little bit more maybe adding that fee schedule into the mix can help me get a better understanding of how to advocate for some of my priorities is is that later in the presentation we will get to that a little later as as far as the positions for Moana pool though those are paid for using the anticipated revenues that we're going to have from the pool so we're anticipating that those revenues and uh that will be coming in will pay for the pool employees Staffing that we would have there plus their maintenance needs as far as um the maintenance needs as well okay all right um anyone else need another round here uh Mr ree thank you madam vice mayor Miss vuran I think the discuss about uh the way in which our various jurisdictions are allocated dollars is an important point to just pause on in part because it seems like that's really a legislative lift right if we want to change what I observed to be fiscal inequities or imbalances between our local governments um that's really where that conversation happens because in the absence of a change that happens in Carson City of course we are going to be living with the budget that we have the dollars that come in based on those allocations it is an odd thing that the City of Reno which has the largest uh population and sort of land uh area where people are living uh receives less money than the county and I think there's some historical um probably history that informs why that happened so when the state of Nevada was set up and we created counties those counties were where the political power was but Reno kind of grew larger than uh in population wise than certainly Washo County and as a result um it's odd that the county receives more money than we do now the flip side of that is true in Clark County it's the opposite I think the city of Las Vegas is its own political subdivision within Clark County but the financial resources go largely to Clark County so we're the opposite right to the city yeah so the city of Las Vegas doesn't receive the bulk of the revenue there because it's sort of a small section and not highly populated I suppose but they're sort of dealing with the a different reality and so until we figure that out I I'm very thankful that our County Partners um do take on The Lion Share of responsibility for things like the car's campus right that was a long time in the making certainly because of the way this laws set up um but there are probably other areas where we could grow together whether that's Parks and Recreation services I sometimes feel like for example people don't know if they're in a city-owned park or a county-owned park they just want to be in a park right and so then we're sort of struggling in that regard uh obviously um I suppose there are issues about the sheriff's department and the police department having different and overlapping jurisdictions at times um so again I I think that that particular discussion is important instructive but perhaps because we aren't going to be able to change it we ride with what we have right so thank you thank you good um let me ask council member Ebert anything at this point yeah I I have some questions and I think it's kind of along with what um Naomi or council member der was saying um you know I have some ideas of things I'd like to see happen in the City of Reno and I know we definitely need to get our police numbers up but I have concerns about you know the sustainability of that with our budget going forward so um do you think it would be you know in your opinion why wiser to use any excess funds we have now to maybe do extra projects in our parks and open Open Spaces until we have a little bit more certainty maybe um to see if we have um extra room in our budget over the next few years to see if we can add more permanent positions I I do think there's a space where you will have some opportunity to um make some choices with this budget it won't be and and again it will have to be choices doing one thing versus another thing so um it's going to come down on what your priorities would be um moving forward with that thank you okay um last call any further questions here uh Madame mayor no okay all right we'll move on to the next section all right next section is general fund expenditures 76% of the general fund is salary and benefits so as I mentioned before this continues to go up and it does not match CPI it does not track to CPI so even if we see increases in things as CPI goes along our salary and benefits alone track higher than CPI generally just to fund those and so that's why we're always struggling with that balance of our revenues and our expenditures not necessarily tracking in the same way um service and supplies can track even higher like for example um it costs the software costs and things those don't even typically go up 3% sometimes they can go 5 10% per year up and insurance costs so um like for um our property insurance and things that we pay for through that internal service fund we charge the Departments for that we've seen a big increase in that um so even though our revenues May track between five and 7% or so our expenditures outpace in general what the revenues increase each year and that's why we really have that struggle to try to fund what council wants and really be thoughtful about how we move this forward when you look at the expenses in total it's $282 million and that includes um the employee benefits service and supplies and salary and wages and see that the two largest and most expensive departments are the fire and the police they obviously have the most people and they have the equipment and the other special needs that go along with those um Public Safety functions again this is expenses by department but I just wanted to break it down for you a little bit more to show you that fire is about 26% of the total expenditures in police is about 38% of total expenditures and then you have some smaller amounts for the remainder of the Departments but those are the two big areas again Public Safety and being that community support this slide um here is going to show you where I anticipate that we're going to end the current year so the current year we do have some franchise fees that are coming in a little bit higher than projected and we have some reimbursements that came in that were not known at the time of the budget build so we have about two three million dollar or so that are going to come in extra in revenues in the current year and they were not anticipated at the point we built the budget none of that would be from property tax and SE tax because those I think are going to be right on budget we're only going to get a little extra in a couple extra areas when we look at the expenses for the current year we build this out so that we know where we're starting for next year when we build the budet for fiscal year 25 so in the current year we have salary savings we see anywhere from 3 to 5% in salary savings based on vacant positions a lot of that has to do with fire and police in their areas because they have to have aies so when someone retires and leaves they don't have a body to fill that position until they go through the academy so we will see some salary savings that we normally see every year based on vacancies and um holding out until they actually do those acmis um again contingency is on here listed as a million dollars if we're not going to use that in the current year uh I plan to bring that back as a request to put that to the OPB trust so that we continue to fund that trust and eventually the city would be able to get out of the pgo and funding the trust which is going to be a huge game changer for the city once we can eventually reach that to get that out of the general fund burden um if you look toward the bottom right kind of highlighted a little bit it says additional transfer to capital projects I'm anticipating we're going to have about $10 million in excess from the current year and that's mostly from salary and benefit savings and then that little bit of extra Revenue that's coming in above budget so there's going to be about $10 million it's the same uh situation where we were last year when we built the budget I thought we'd have about 10 million from basically the same events and so last year we had talked about putting that toward the fire station what ended up happening after the year closed out and we had that 10 million we had to put five to risk for some claims that came in high and then um the the remainder we put toward the public safety center and the Moana pool to finish those furniture and fixtures there so none of the 10 million last year we anticipated to go to fire was used for that but it had some other uses that came up during the year that that had to go to um I would recommend to council that maybe we set this aside for fire station and we start building that um obviously if we have other things that come up it it does not mean it's um not available to that but um I think as a planning tool using this to start building that pot for the fire station would be a good move for this and obviously Council does not have to make a decision on that portion of it that wouldn't be until we end the current year know exactly the number and then council could determine that but I just want to give you a heads up that that money is there and it's less than 5% of the total budget which is really a good space to be in um we never want to be less in budget than what we have but uh having a little bit extra gives you that extra amount that you can put toward one-time projects because it is onetime money and then projecting out we look at 15.8% is where the fund balance would be for the current year as I have it projected and then next year we'd be right at 15% if you remember that's around two months of operating expenses and that's really where we want to stay and maintain so going on to fund balance history this is uh showing how we've gone through the years you can see back in fiscal year 11 during the recession down to 2% um very very small small don't want really don't want to go back to that space um but as we move forward we want to stay around that 15% Mark again that the two months worth of operating expenses that allows us to pay our bills as the money comes in because we don't get all the money as the bills are in it doesn't overlap and the timing doesn't always work so we really need that little bit of buffer when we look at the 10year forecast this was what I was um mentioning as far as like purs and moving forward so for purs I anticipated that we would have increases every other year continuing on because we have over the last few years and just similar to what we've seen in the past um increases in salary and benefits increases in um service and supplies in areas that we know are increasing like outside services and things that we don't necessarily have control over so on this slide what it's going to show you is the revenues are in that line on the top that kind of Gray Line so the revenues are equaling the expenses as we move out and you'll see there's a little Gap out toward the end the one thing this doesn't factor in is additional positions and you can see as we get out toward the end that Gap would be the area space where we would have op opportunity to continue to grow as a city um and so this also factors in in fiscal year 28 as part of our planning for the fire station um um going out to bond in fiscal year 28 so it does factor in from that point forward the um anticipated a Debt Service for that to go forward so still everything works um as we get into this one it shows you the percentage of fund balance and how that works again up we want to stay around that 15% you can see that stays up to 2930 and then it starts to really kind of take off after that these are very conservative projections as far as Revenue news just to make sure that as we're trending them out we can cover everything we currently have and continue to grow as a city and that's what that Gap you're going to see there where it starts to grow on the end that's just because we have we don't have new positions built into this it's just the current that we have as we move along so that's my next stopping space all right great um so we're going to open up questions on this segment or any other segment we've gone by um do you want to start us off again Miss Taylor thank you madam vice mayor so I thought I heard some good news but I'm not sure um first of all in the in the million-dollar contingency I thought last year we didn't fund OPB to the tune that we wanted to because we got about six or seven new positions so we took I think a couple million dollars from that that we were going to fund OPB and then we said if we had extra money we would fund it at the rate that we originally had said in the budget workshops I could be wrong on that so when we say we have a million dollars extra it might not really be extra when we said that we wanted to fund OPB did did we do that last year do you remember with the current year budget we had um budgeted $4 million because we had been ramping it up based on coun what council wanted to do so we had ramped up every year to increase that um and we gotten up to the $4 million do Mark um with the positions that were approved last year that whole 4 million was used for that and that's ongoing money so it works but then we're not funding the trust okay so so we didn't TR fund the trust to what we originally had started the budget at yes correct okay the other couple of questions I had is I'm very interested in this $10 million but I have uh two technical questions I guess when we look at your slide 25 the transfer to PW capital projects what's going going on um from we go to 22 million and then we're down to $400,000 so did we pay off something or did we build something really big there no those were transfers for when we were saving money for the public safety center and the pool I know they have separate lines on here but they weren't really broken out until the the years after that but we were saving money in those years and setting it side because you know we we did a portion cash and a portion bond for both of those projects that was was part of that and it was just kind of built in there okay so the $10 million could potentially go to part of that $54 million ask we might have $10 million to work with with those if we don't put it it was onetime funding if it was one time funding yes okay and most of the ask are positions but yes it could go to onetime funding absolutely so you don't necessarily we don't necessarily want to use this $10 million for ongoing um Financial requ savings and onetime money coming in higher it's not ongoing okay thank you thank you madam vice mayor all right you bet uh Mr Martinez anything yeah I have one quick question thank you Madame vice mayor um you kind of introduced the concept of pay uh paying off the payo on the OPB trust and you call it a game changer so I'm just wondering if you can give us a little bit more details on what the impacts would actually be to our budget and the projections if we were to pay that off absolutely absolutely um opep trust it's a trust set up for the other post employee benefits so employees that have been longtime employees of the city and they have benefits after retirement such as medical and dental and some of some of our employees do have that later you know people hired now and on only have portions some of them in police and fire and others don't have any um but the the idea behind it is you get enough money into the trust that you can continue to pay those benefits in the future for those employees out of the trust and so typically you want to have around 50 to 60% trust funding for that the amount in there and then the earnings continue to build in there so you can pay out of there what that means for the general fund is we we generally pay around $8 million um for those benefits out of the general fund currently so right now we're doing Pago and we're putting money into the trust whereas if if we eventually get to the point where the trust is funded enough to pay those out of there it frees up that general fund the 8 million in the general fund that's ongoing money for the future for all of the things that Council wants to see and then uh the other thing is we're not putting money to the trust anymore any at that point either so it's a win-win on both sides once we get there thank you for breaking that down I appreciate it yeah okay uh Mr Reese any questions now miss Ebert nothing now Madame mayor anything at this point no nothing thank you you bet um I want to make sure I understand about the 10 million um are you just saying it's just things that AC Creed through the year that weren't spent so you sort of gathered them up yes and they're not tied to a new a revenue Source it's just that correct it's savings so what's that a little bit more in revenues than what we anticipated when we built the budget and that's mostly in the franchise fees in the electric and gas just a little there but most of it is from salary savings and benefits from vacant positions right and then that we can't count on that happening again so you're calling that onetime money yes okay all right that helps and then we we talked about 10 different ways we could probably spend that but you also said you just assum see it as a down payment on the fire station that's what I would recommend but okay but we might have to split that baby in some way okay and wait we would have liked to have done that last year but you know as you work through the years things come up yeah so okay all right so we're on to page 29 all right and just so you know there's 45 slides so so you know where job with this pace though I got to tell you because it's not we're not at saving our questions for an hour but we're getting them out so it's special Revenue funds these are funds that are meant for use in a restricted or specific way and it's usually based on the law so some of these include room tax which you're very very familiar with and the street fund is is really the largest one in here others include um the HUD funding the cdbg funding um we have the the stabilization fund is in here as well but again these are specific funding sources for um specific reasons I want to just dive into a little bit into the streets fund um is $37 million in total revenue uh most of that comes from property tax there's a a split that from property tax 69% of the street fund is from that and then 21% is from the motor vehicle fuels taxes for that um there's a lot of projects and things that are in the street fund so when we go and look at Street fund history you can see that um in the current year there are a lot of projects out out there right now that are being worked on and that was kind of a ramp up after the bond that was paid off in I believe around F school year 1920 there was a bond in here and so there were additional funds going forward and so there was really a ramp up to do a lot of projects in here so you'll see $33 million in estimated projects in the current year and then next year $13 million in capital projects as we move forward and that's that's still a little larger than what we've seen in some of the prior years to do some of those neighborhood streets and projects we look at room tax uh we've built this based on what the council has prioritized in the past so if you have priorities on this or things that you want to see differently um this is a good time to give us that input so that we can make sure we align this with what your um thoughts are on it you'll see in the Arts parks and historical resources portion of your funding there's $3.4 million a lot of that goes to the um Parks maintenance and then also to uh Arts commission leer theater that's the debt payment on that leer theater we have the Pioneer Center art and public places um and then support to special events as Council has deemed in the past that they want to support special events in certain ways so we've built this based on how it what how it's been historically does not mean it has to stay this way so um just letting you know that this is 50% has to go to parks and wreck and then 50% goes to council room tax history so so what is that 50% though is it half of the three million yes okay so when you look at room tax history it's very flat it hasn't grown much over the years uh you see the big dip there in the green that was during the recession when um businesses were closed and room nights were closed so it it it's very flat usually around $3 million 3.1 3.2 um the only growth we really see in it is um the room rates go up so the percentage is 1% of the room rates so if the rooms go up then it's a little bit of growth but if room nights are down then it really kind of balance itself out so that's why you see that really flattening we've had you know haris switching over and they so they don't have rooms there anymore at one point when um circus circus had you and our students in it then we weren't getting room TX on those so as you see it fluctuates with the room kns as well for Enterprise funds we only have two we have the building fund about $25 million and then we have the sewer fund which is the really large one 300 a little over $300 million the building Enterprise fund about $8.8 million in total revenue most of that is charged for services for those building reviews that they're doing on projects as they come in um it's split between engine ering code enforcement land use planning um program and service management uh split various ways um but for the most part it's about $9 million that we get from the building Enterprise fund when you look at the history of the building fund the green area is going to be salary and benefits they've kind of ramped up over the years um after being very low staffed and so you'll see some dips in the green area in the those years and that's mostly due to vacancies as they were trying to build up Staffing in the in the department um if they had vacancies and they've had a number of vacancies over the years that's creating those little dips in that you look at the sewer fund it's about $100 million in total revenue annually um most of that is from charge for services and from sewer connection fees and uh it's split between the various uses between sewer and drain maintenance dead Wastewater Tuma sewer reuse all the various things that the sewer uh Enterprise to fund us and then again if you look at the history of the sewer fund you'll see that really big spike on the end that green Spike on the bottom is the capital outlay and so the spike in 25 that's going to be the American Flats project that really big uh portion for the city that's City's portion would be around $150 million and that's what's creating that SP other than that it's very steady um the other bars are very steady as far as expenditures so this was my stopping point here okay I'm going to ask a quick question on that last point you made um you said 150 and if I recall it was 80 million in cash and 70 million in bonding yes but the bonding what's our payment it won't be 80 million so it's a couple million it's about 5.5 million dollar I believe 5.6 million a year yes so in this spike is it the 80 plus 55 million it was it 85 million no in this spike it would just be the building of the project so it would be the whole $150 million because we have to commit those funds to it whether it's built over this year or several years we have to prove we have the money at this point the payments um the way we're proposing it would be either State revolving Loan Fund or wifia funds and those would be draw Downs so as we spend the money we would draw down the money and so we wouldn't have payments on the bond for uh several years after okay got it all right Miss Taylor thank you Madame vice mayor I think it's interesting for me when I look at the Enterprise funds and the service that people are getting that the community is getting so one of the things that I hear when I'm talking to constituents is our building and services department the experience that they have has gone way up um and I think that is a testament to having an Enterprise fund supporting it so we have people there and they've done a great job of building that department the other thing that I wanted to just talk about is in the the special Revenue funds we are bound by the way that we spend the money so on the sewer fund and on the building Enterprise fund when we have non-departmental expenditure what are those or do you do you know or can you talk about those would be the payment because they still have to pay into risk and workers comp and Fleet and for all of those internal service funds that they use so they're considered non-departmental but techn be because they're paying for them out to those other um internal service funds are just termed non-ep departmental they're not spending it technically by their day-to-day work but they have to pay for those services that the is providing okay so one of my priorities later on is you're going to hear about how we support affordable housing and I think part of what we do is in sewer credits which would come out of the sewer fund and is that part where is that percentage in here uh it's not listed here we could pull something together if you'd like to look at that but if if that you are giving sewer credits or building credits to certain projects then it just reduces is the amount of money that we're going to receive we are tracking it separately but it's just reducing the amount of money that we potentially could get into these okay and I guess I would want to understand how that impacts the the budget as we move forward because I think it's it's it's definitely a priority want to make sure that it makes sense financially okay thank you thank you madam vice mayor okay yeah uh Mr Martinez thanks so much Madam vice mayor um I had a quick question about the slide deck overall it looks like the Enterprise fund on slide 34 um and maybe I'm missing it somewhere but it doesn't have sort of a breakdown like you did on slide 35 for sort of the other funds and I'm just wondering if we can get a breakdown like that or if it's this is slide 34 is accumulation of all the other um Enterprise funds that you were explaining in the other slides the other slides were special Revenue funds and I didn't really hit all of them in this round um we will talk about them as we move forward like May 1st and then obviously at budget adoption some of those we don't have a lot of control over like cdbg we get this certain amount of funding it comes back to council at another time for approval of the projects um forfeiture funds are part of that um I don't really dive a lot into this this level because at this point we want to we really need your feedback on these particular ones so I try to keep it a little high level for that gotcha yeah I don't know if you could include a graphic similar to what you have on 35 for that May 1st meeting but I think it would just help me wrap my mind around everything a little bit more thank you okay uh Mr Reese no nothing and uh Miss Ebert no and what about you Madame mayor no thanks I think uh councilman Taylor brought up some very good points so if we could just get um some feedback on that that would be great whenever you have it okay okay okay um and I'm expecting in our next round which looks like it's the last round um that we we will want to start weighing in on some preliminary thoughts and I think we all have to just keep in mind you've been working on this for months yes this is our very very very first look at the budget and so I don't know that I think we're all just sort of taking all of this in your message about the fact that we have essentially a flat budget we just have enough coming in to service what we have never mind try to do better in some areas so I think we'll keep that in mind so if you want to go on to the next and last section that' be great so next section is the internal service funds and these again are Fleet risk the medical plans and then workers comp and these are the funds that uh the city provides these services for the city and then charges the Departments for that so that's why you see some of those non-departmental charges going out to pay for these items we have seen a large increase in the risk fund and that's mostly due to the insurance premiums that have been Nationwide much higher than they have been in Prior years and so we have had to increase those premiums going out to the Departments to charge them for that to make sure we're covered in this space wanted to talk a little bit about opep trust as we talked about before if we make the million doll payment in the current year and we continue making a million dollars of ongoing payments into the trust we will reach almost that 60% funding level by 2038 and that would be the point where we could switch over and actually start paying all of the retiree health benefits out of this trust and get it off of the general fund books and that's really going to be that game Cher for the city if we can afford to do more than that in certain years then that's going to decrease this timeline and free up those funds earlier in the general fund to do that right now currently we have almost $30 million in the fund and we're receiving a lot of return on investments you'll see that green area the more we put in there the more we'll start it'll start to earn and earn money on itself and build even faster and we can get there faster so the earlier you can put money in larger amounts the faster we're going to get there debt history and I have a stop after this slide just because these are these items are just kind of different than the rest of the stuff in the budget this includes the City of Reno debt and the RDA debt on this slide you'll see the big area in the yellow that's the retract debt on the bottom and then you'll see a little bump out there in 2025 that's going to be the $70 million for the American flats or Bond but overall you can see that over the last uh more than 10 years we've been declining for the most part um along the scale and so really been thoughtful as far as taking out new debt paying off debt before we take out new debt on other things and I think this slide is very representative of that because at one point way back in 2009 we were at a peak over there over $600 million and now we're out here around $500 million going forward and it's been pretty steady around that $500 million mark for a while which shows that we're paying off debt before we take on new debt all right uh another round of good info so let me again Out start with council member Taylor uh I just have one quick question is the $500 million Mark where we want to be as far as being Al healthy and responsible as far as what the debt I mean based on what we have as revenues and um based on what we can afford yes I would say staying around that keeps us at a mark where we can still pay the debt but still continue to grow a little bit too so we're not strapped by just debt payments kind of like being mortgage broke you don't want to be mortgage broke but you want to have that extra little bit where you can add some things okay thank you all right Mr Martinas nothing for me thank you okay um Mr Reese anything Miss Eber on this this yeah I do have a question yeah so I just want to get back into the opab a little bit so I know we didn't we made a vote not to fund it as much to use the money for some other things last time around so are we currently paying the purs out of the general fund the op is currently we're paying the pgo portion out of the general fund and then any additional we would be putting toward the trust okay so how much are we paying out of the general fund right now for that right now it ranges around $8 million and that's for retire medical payments and so it does fluctuate based on the claims that come in because we pay the actual claims okay so it's about 8 million annually okay okay and then how far off are we from having that fully funded so that we wouldn't need to pay out of the general fund it would be you would want to be at least around the 50 to 60% level so we're still quite a few years out but about 20 2038 on here the the level on the top that red line would be the 60% funding level and we want to be somewhere around that and so um projecting it out if we just did a million dollar every year we would get there at 2038 um what was presented with last year's budget for the last few years we put around three and a half to4 million into the trust and so that's why it's built faster um and it just depends on council's priorities um whether we want to fund this or we want to partially and use money for other other things obviously um we would like to fund this but you we our resources are very limited so uh depending on the priorities this is an area where we can cut a little bit and it just takes us longer to get there okay so if we put the full 10 million in here how close would that get us to fully funding uh I'd have to run the projections I I think it would probably we'd get there within 10 years at least um okay I think last year we had projections of putting in the 4 million and if we put in the 4 million last year we would have gotten there within 10 years by doing this it takes us about 15 years to get there even if we put the full 10 million in 15 10 it would be if we did the 10 million we'd get there in about 10 years okay okay thank you um I'll ask a question uh follow up to miss Ebert um so you're saying the year before last or the current year we put 3 to four million uh in the current year we we don't have any funding prior to that we were putting anywhere from 3 and a half to 4 million for the last four or five years we were yes okay so this is quite departure but now you're saying not 3 to four million you're saying 1 million that's all I have the way it's rolled up until we see what some final numbers are for revenues and such okay and then I had a question on uh going back to page 39 on the workers comp so for years the workers comp you know we we had sort of a push pull so we had a Management Group managing workers comp I believe and it seemed that they were at odds with our employees questioning severely whether they really got hurt on the job and pretty much denying payments and I think we took a different tact could you just talk to us about that sure uh a couple of years ago um workers comp and risk were switched to be under HR and so they get a lot better service and and um more attention to these claims and to the employees who have these claims so they are providing a much better service under our HR System so we brought it in house from a a third party administrator I think we still use a third party administrator but I think it's much much more managed by the city now okay I haven't heard the level of complaints that I heard several years ago I think we were more hands off previously even though it was technically still managed by the city you have that third party administrator kind of like you do for medical claims yeah but you need to stay on them and really manage them in order to get the right uh outcomes and the right resources it was very disappointing for our employees I mean for me um I couldn't believe that we it felt like shabby treatment of our employees I mean they most of them I'd say 98% had legitimate claims that needed to be paid and many people were waiting a long time to get any kind of compensation you know for what they were going through so they were basically having to pay out of pocket so I I was just wondering from a financial point of view what what does this 29 million really mean what does is that it represents the the expenditures that we have we anticipate for the current year so or this budget year and then the ending fund balance this does include the end ending fund balance and we have anywhere from 15 to 17 million in this fund we really need to grow this fund because um the liabilities that exist out there in the future are much much larger than the the cash that we have but really we're on the pgo basis on this too it's one of the ones that we need continue to build so again though what does the 29 million represent is that uh 15 million of it would be cash and then the other would be the claims that we anticipate for next year so another 15 million in claims claims yes but the cash isn't that for CLA are you saying existing claims and new claims both it's just the claims that come in each year I think I'm still not sure so is the 15 million sitting in a cash pot to pay claims it's budgeted and it's being paid in as revenue from all the Departments I got so the revenue comes from the Departments we pay out the claims and then we have cash gotcha okay I understand and um mayor shivi any um comments on this section the opep trust or the debt history I mean you and I probably longer than anyone have seen this debt go down and um you know we've been comparing it to the 2009 I think the high was something like 650 million and at some point we have brought it down to I want to say 400 million we balanced out at 500 million is that right yes okay okay all right okay so last section I guess or one last section fee schedule okay so as part of the budget process we do review the fee schedule uh we have to wait for the Consumer Price Index that comes out in December of each year that's what our fee schedule most of our fees can go up by and that's the Western Region's Consumer Price Index just as a history on the side there I wanted to list what the CPI has been in the previous years we've seen during those inflation years the 7.1 and the 6.2 um pretty high compared to some of the prior years in the current year for fiscal year 25 it'll be 3.6 because that was the number in December um we look at the fees and we put we go ahead and and apply that CPI and we send it out to the Departments so that they they can look at it make sure that everything looks good um adjust any of their other fees that maybe are flat fees or uh fees that are based on something else we also send out to the city boards and commissions so that they can give feedback on anything they see on here that's a little different or odd or um questions that they have on it to make sure that we get that feedback for your consideration uh before budget adoption on the fee schedule we have some that we increase by CPI those include like business license um development services enforcement police some of police's fees are um set by NS or the FBI um mun Court doesn't have any changes um fire prevention permits they've Consolidated a lot of their fees and tried to simplify some of their lines so it may look a little different but they've tried to simplify that parks and wreck they do have a simplified uh schedule as well they've tried to consolidate and create some new ranges as far as parks and wreck fees are concerned and I don't know if you remember last year's fee schedule I mean just pages and Pages it's it's not an easy read document to start with and then parks and wreck really had a lot of various things so they've really tried to simplify that and make it easier for just regular people and including myself to read it because it it was a lot um special events there's some new banner and some signage permit fees that are on there and then we have certain things that are per statute or ordinance or other method uh the building valuation table that comes out every February that is adjusted each year for the building fees and then this new to this year is code enforcement and the fire they have some fees well they have some fines that are listed in Reno municipal code and they would like to move those to the fee schedule so that is something that we do need to um have some direction on Council if that's something you want to move forward with the way it's currently exists in Reno Municipal Code it's not easily adjustable you have to come back and you have to redo those codes and redo all that in order to change those fines and so for like code enforcement I believe they've been in effect since 1990 um yeah that's the note I had since 1990 and so by incorporating these onto the fees schedule you'd be able to review them every year and update them as needed versus uh going through that that whole process what that would entail though would um going it would require an ordinance change and so that is one thing that uh we would like to get some direction on today as far as what ideas you'd have on that what your preference is on that as well so the notable changes on the fee schedule I just kind of summarized on this one slide here the the CPI the 3.6% the building valuation table the building valuation table actually went down and that's actually a cost of materials Nationwide and it's based on the cost of the materials and so materials have actually gone down a little bit based on that table and that's the first time we've seen that since 2012 that table has gone up since 2012 this is the first time that we've seen it since that that it's actually gone down a little bit parks and wreck they've simplified as I mentioned and grouped a lot of similar fees and they're um proposing utilizing a sliding scale membership program so that everyone can have access and by doing this sliding scale they've been able to uh figure out a way to expand their discounts as well and the the idea behind this is that people would get year round membership they would have access to all the facilities they get a membership just like you would to a gym or something else where you could use any facility at any time and you would also have um that accessibility for everyone because they've expanded the discounts available based on income level and some other things and so uh that's really trying to make sure that people have access to the facilities and they're able to use those in a way that works for them the Code Enforcement as I mentioned earlier the idea is to remove the fines from the Reno municipal code and put them on the fee schedule most of the fines as they're presented right now on the fee schedule that you have are um increased by 10 to $40 depending on and then uh it would require an ordinance change um as well as the one for fire too if you want to put those on the fee schedule and be able to review those more regularly um this is consistent with other local agencies they have a fine and fee schedule not just a fee schedule it's a fee and fine schedule and it's consistent with other agencies as far as um doing it this way because then you can review it without such a laborous process so that's the end of this section if you have specific questions on um fees and fines we have the Departments here if you want to talk about any of those sure yes Miss Taylor thank you Madame vice mayor I just have a question if are there negative impacts to taking the code enforcement and fire and moving them into Fe into the schedules the fee schedules is there something it sounds like a reasonable idea and the benefits are we would be closer to it at a regular interval right and we could adjust as necessary but is there something that I'm missing not that I'm aware of I mean like for example a code enforcement it hasn't been looked at since 1990 so I mean it's a benefit to the city to to look at it our fees are way behind other jurisdictions because we can't change them annually they're in the code okay thank you okay what about you Mr Martinez thank you so much I do have some specific questions on some of the fees so I was just wondering what a permit application fee is and there was also something in there about an extension period And I don't know if I'm reading it wrong but to me that seemed to be a new fee and so I'm wondering why we're also adding an extension fee to it when it is a new fee unless I'm misunder understanding that building fees permit application fee I'm going to defer that one Chris pingre director of development services good after not quite afternoon almost almost almost um so the the fees the two specific fees that you are questioning were one is the application fee we've never the time that it goes through to take in a building permit for all of the other reviewing Partners within the city with with the health with uh any of our outside sister agencies we've never charged a fee for that across the board um it was included kind of in their permit fee but as we start to realize how much time goes into that um we wanted to kind of be parallel with the other jurisdictions within within the trucky Meadows to charge just a minimal fee for the actual application processing for that permit fee and the permit extension fee as we go through um every time a permit expires after a 6 month uh you know downtime if there's no work has been performed or nothing else has been done on that permit that permit automatically goes into expiration status and so it's a physical process for our folks to go back in and to reinstate those permits and extend them uh and there's a time and a and a labor that goes into doing that so once these new fees are if they were to be enacted you're basically saying that they have a window to get any of the work done and if they don't meet that window to reopen their building permit they'd have to uh pay this extension fee and really what it boils down to is the cost of doing that business right if they let their permit lapse and it goes into expiration status it takes our it takes us staff time and resources in order to reopen that and give them another 6mth 180-day extension on that so we're just trying to actually recoup the cost of what it takes to do that work gotcha okay just making sure I understand ask thanks so much for explaining that okay um I do also want to um thank you all for bringing those updates to the Reno municipal code and having that packaged up in the future and having us look at those updates along with the enforcement fee schedule um I had a question about the FEMA elevation certification review and what that is all about feem so between the Departments between utility services and development servic Services we have put together as we develop some of this tougher to develop land anything in a floodway flood plane we have realized over the years that it takes our staff a substantial amount of time so what we have talked about interdepartmentally is going out for an RFQ to hire a consultant to start doing some of that work a specialty consultant that does floodway review with an exped expedited time frame um so we haven't developed that so soq or or RFQ process yet but we are in the we want to make sure that was on the fee schedule prior to going out to hire that outside consultant to do the floodway reviews okay that makes sense I have a few other questions but I see my time is up so I'll wait till well okay but let me ask just a followup to that Chris before you leave uh I thought those reviews were done over in uh Utility Services good afternoon Trina mcon director of utility services I think it is afternoon now yes those reviews are typically handled by our staff we have uh two staff who typically handle those and they also have a full um uh workload that they do so when these applications come in it really takes a long time and a lot of effort and so in order to help on the development side and get these reviews completed in a more timely manner and to balance out the workload for staff um we thought it might be appropriate to hire a consultant to do the reviews for us where those can be completed in a more timely manner and balanced workload for staff okay all right all right Mr ree thank you Madame vice mayor I wanted to chat a little bit about code enforcement here and it looks like Mr Woodley is here so we get a ton of service requests for um parking enforcement so what does the schedule fines look like in that Arena what are we doing to improve our resources directed at that uh yes thank you Alex Willie for the record director parking code enforcement um so what we've done sir is is right now the way the fees are um they're really pretty much insignificant as far as the impact on because obviously the intent is to deter violations so our hope is that by increasing the fees um and in the future in the near future once we see that the revenue is in fact generating more Revenue our intent is to pursue um acquiring more resources for the department so I I appreciate sort of the Nuance answer but I'm not sure I understood one part of it so I think of parking fees or fines as both being related to deterring Future conduct and also uh it's supposed to be essentially Revenue neutral to us meaning that should at least cover the cost and my understanding is we have fewer parking enforcement code operators than we've ever had so I'm just trying to figure out how do we make it sustainable because ultimately um what we want to make sure is that people are not um you know parking in handicapped stalls we want to make sure that people are parking and for many businesses the turnover the parking is what helps them to continue their business operations model for their business so help me understand are we net revenue neutral or I I'm not trying to make a whole bunch of money off of parking enforcement I'm just trying to make sure that we pay for the services that we need and it is a fair amount of the calls for service requests that we get whether it's an abandoned vehicle it could be I suppose even an abandoned RV and so we're trying to make sure disabled vehicles are not hanging out on you know Brink be for a long time so where are we in that sort of I don't know we'll call it Balancing Act of making sure that it pays for the code enforcement officers that we need yes sir we're definitely below um we're not um attaining enough to recoup the costs of the officers themselves and you are correct we do serve 700 to 900 complaints a month yeah and is that uh also with our save officers do we kind of work with them they do assist us with some of the the minor uh first responses first inspections yes sir so it seems like we're not adjusting the fees high enough so I I guess my point to you is I would like us to be net revenue neutral I I don't want us to make money off it I'm not trying to grow parking enforcement that way but I want it to make sure it pays for the people we have doing the work so how do we get to that point do we have to like get to $100 a fee a ticket or at this point we think uh this should make a significant impact and we are also considering the fact that the amount that we're increasing it thus far so we'd like to start at that at this point and then in the near future the great thing is that we will be able to review them each year so we will uh follow up with uh city manager staff to ensure that we are meeting that goal to make sure that we're self- sustaining okay thank you sir okay Miss Ebert anything not yet okay uh yes what's that I have a question okay oh go ahead sorry yeah let me finish round one sure um and then let's go to you Madame mayor okay thank you so much um one of the things I think that would be really helpful Vicki is I have noticed that um sometimes our fees are not comparable uh to the other jurisdictions um either they're heavily weighted or they're not weighted enough for instance I know one time public records fees were um outrageous and then if you look at other fees specifically like if I think about um the appeal process um in the building department uh what the other jur jurisdictions are charging I would love it if we could get sort of an analysis of some of those categories to be able to look at them and say are we in comparison is that something something you've thought about yes we we typically go through that process with the Departments I don't have it documented but we can certainly put something together and and get a memo out on that that that would be great um because I would like the council to look at those bees where maybe we can adjust so that they are more comparable and obviously fair but at the same time um I I do think that there are some where they're just really outweighted so I think if we could get um something on that to look at and then I I do think the council should weigh in on what those comparables are and where we should be aligned in the region so thanks so much okay sorry great um and then um Miss Ebert thank you this question is for uh Mr PR so so uh council member Martinez asked some questions about the the the permits expiring would this be just for permits going forward what about extend uh permits that we have currently would they be kind of like grandfathered in or would this just be for new new permits that are being issued Chris pingry director of development services um to help answer that question all building permits have a shelf life of 6 months 180 days unless work has been performed so every time that somebody calls in for a building inspection and they pass that inspection that building permit is automatically extended for 180 days so this would be for all permits across the board about 3 years ago we started Auto expiring permits because we had so many that were just sitting out there people who would come in pull a permit and then let it expire and we never really had a good mechanism in place to track that so now we have that mechanism in place that if a permit does expire we send an inspector out there to find out if that work was actually done or it wasn't done and then they'll get a notice uh letting them know that you know permit permits expired they get a letter 30 days before email 30 days before it expires and they have that opportunity to do an extension at any time during that period okay so what would be the difference in the process then uh the difference in the process is just we having the actual process of of the permit technician doing that physical work to extend those permits we had a very minimal fee um to to do that prior to and as we've realized there are a lot of folks out there you know you never know what the what the the econ IC Market could be to where somebody wants to delay that project so there's a time and a and a dollar amount that it takes for our staff to actually process that okay and let me just a follow up on that um so what would an extension cost then um I want to say on that it was $123 I think is that and today there is no cost I think it's a $41 fee now um and it's just you know the $41 in order to do the work it usually takes they've got to do the research and the and the homework on that before it can be automatically extended and then what if it's delayed I mean uh it's stopped or it's terminated but then a year later they want to renew it or bring it up what would that be a new one or an extension or no depending on as long as we don't change a code cycle where the building codes have changed um we we don't we don't um put a cap on how many extensions they can do um there's multiple reasons why they might want an extension we just need to make sure that they're paying attention to that perit that expiration date and to make sure that we're on top of it too it's kind of a checks and balances for both sides okay um let's see it might be my turn now to ask a question um so I have a couple questions one uh first a comment I I don't know I'm looking for Vicki I guess she's behind you I don't know that I'm down for an automatic CPI increase of 3.6% on all the fees and fines I I think I'm not in fact um and the reason is you showed us what the CPI was and sometimes it's as low as a percent sometimes it's as high as 6% and I'm sure you're tried to average it but I think that we should take a look at them like we do annually and not just assume this without bringing it back so that's just my perspective I don't know if anyone else shares that um but for people to think about um in terms of Code Enforcement I I'm thinking about some one a penal PTY for empty properties so if a building is just sitting there and it's been abandoned and we're having code enforcement issues I know some cities have some kind of process where they charge a penalty for just letting a building sit or a lot sit have you explored that at all I don't okay do we have that I know other agencies do have that and they've explored it but then you have to have someone out there you know monitoring it and you have to have some type of a system so I think that becomes very cumbersome for a lot of the agencies so it's very hard to administer but I'll defer to Alex yes Alex will full the record thank you man' um yes and we've looked into that before in the past um we have different states fortunately for us in the state of Nevada for lack of a better term our development and and turnover of property ownership is so positive it's so good in comparison to places like Detroit to the point where it wouldn't really um provide us the best benefit that we would seek now if we had a full um inventory 2050 of structures that would just stay vacant for an extended period of time then we would we would definitely pursue that but at this point okay thank you and then I'm I guess I'm going to direct this to Mayor shie I mean we may maybe one approach would be to identify an area in downtown that you have worked so hard to uh Revitalize and focus it within a few blocks of let's say the major part of downtown you know five blocks on either side 10 blocks on either side two blocks on either side of Virginia Street to where uh there's a penalty for not doing something with your property on the areas that matter most to City Redevelopment for example and it's just an idea and I don't know if this is the right time to explore it but it seems like it might be to to both have an enforcement mechanism and a compensation for that enforcement mechan we could plow it right back in do do you have a thought on that mayor shivi I do um I do absolutely think it should be explored now Alex you could weigh in because you're the expert on this and I from what I see when properties remain vacant I I mean it just seems very Stark that they are not maintained nearly as well I see overgrown weeds become fire hazards um you know it seems like it's a pattern of vacant properties um and I'm kind of curious the process of when you see that happening Alex I know they can still be coded but I also wonder are they sort of remiss in allowing those codes those code violations to sort of pile up like give me your sort of experience on some of these uh vacant properties I I do think councilwoman dur brings up an EXC excellent point um I would absolutely like to see something like that implemented but tell me a little bit about your experience Alex and um and if there's some lever that sort of helps in people being more cognizant of taking care of their properties uh yes thank you Madame mayor Alex Willie for the record again um as we know we are a Dylan's rule state and we have in the past the City of Reno itself we did pursue a bdr years ago at the legislature and it did die unfortunately because it was pursuing that exact type of laws um so with from the perspective of any um legal discussion I would have to uh defer to the city attorney's office but what I can tell you is actively now today any code violation that we have on any property regardless as to whether it's vacant or not we do issue the citations and we do issue those citations progressively so we do ratchet up the citations up to $1,000 a day if necessary okay thank and I guess what I'm thinking is a spin-off of that that really this would be both a penalty and an incentive let's say it was like the sewer connection fee where we grandfather people in for 5 years and they can have a sewer down but then reconnect it with no penalty they don't have to repay the sewer connection fee so that's an incent you know that gives them some space to think and plan but then if they don't work within that time they do have to pay a sewer connection fee okay so what I'm wondering is maybe there's something like that but it's a if you don't redevelop your property in 5 years I'm just picking a number could be 10 or two um then there starts being on your property tax a penalty you know some kind of right disincentive for just letting property sit and not reinvesting in the City Corp is what I'm thinking and and that was a discussion we had at the legislature and their response at that time was if I own property and the economy is terrible why should I be penalized this is a long conversation but that's something we can pursue and come back but maybe that get we give a longer time period you know uh to account for ups and downs in the economy but still okay as I understand it we do have the the city managers office is working on some incentive programs especially with the downtown I don't want to talk about it here today because that's something for the future but um we have been working on something to involve both enforcement and the other thing I wanted to ask you is for a very long time the whole 10 years I've been here we've been talking about a band of vehicles and the challenges with storing them you know we have to keep that if we do tow them we have to keep them we have to notice the owners it's a very long drawn out process to protect property rights we get it but at the same time it's a cost to the city and I just I'm just wondering in our fine and fee schedule if we could take a look at that with regard to ban a vehicle or recast the program in such a way that we could be more effective because as I know for 10 years it's been the number one complaint in every Ward every Ward doesn't matter where you are in town abandoned vehicles whether it's cars RVs or whatever um remain a top complaint and so I guess I'm looking for some kind of disincentive or some type of compensation to the city to to help pay for that program yes ma'am thoughts on that and we've looked into that as well and that once again goes back to the state this is not a title State um car titles like in California so typically what happens when you're dealing with an abandoned vehicle is you have an individual who no longer has interest in the vehicle so to find or sight that vehicle even though we do because we do we give them an $85 uh fine um unfortunately we do not have the mechanisms Statewide to pursue the last registered owner on that vehicle but that is something that we've requested DMV to use their bdr on okay were you trying to say add something mayor yeah I just going back to I I should be clear not necessarily a vacancy tax I guess I'm more concerned about you know the the um condition of properties so I should be clear on that because otherwise I think Naomi and I will end up in the Press saying oh we want a vacancy tax that's not what I was sort of getting at what getting at was um you know when they become more abandoned and do you typically see that Alex that those properties that are vacant have higher code violations than the ones that aren't yes ma'am and we will pursue that especially uh specifically the downtown we do have a plan for the downtown Corp okay and the other thing I think do you have properties right now that are getting if you said ,000 a day and maybe you know there should be a list of those properties that come to council so we know um you know exactly which ones are problematic um you know I I think those are things that the council needs to dive in a little bit more seeing those code violations I mean I drive by properties all the time um specifically in some of the motels that you know they don't have windows they're boarded up you know I want to look at that process of what does that look like whenever you go in there I mean I met a resident the other day in this same property and she has no running water um and I know it's it's very challenging because a complaint has to come in but these landlords do Strongarm these tenants and they take advantage of them um and they really pray on you know their unfortunate circumstances so talk a little bit about like I I just feel like there should be a top 10 list that the council should know that are under strict scrutiny of severe code violations because they also become hazards they become hazards for crime they become hazards for fire uh for theft and I I just feel like if there's some way that this Council can also send a message and help you um you know do a better job not that I don't think you do I think you do but sometimes you might need support from this Council to be able to implement things that you think could be beneficial but I'm just shocked because I'll drive and just see you know certain properties and just wonder how does this happen Okay we we can pursue that um we'll work with the city attorney's office and the city manager's office to see if that's something we can create okay okay that would be great all right I mean I would like to understand I would hope the council would be supportive of knowing um you know which properties become the biggest hazards yeah uh I support you in that mayor um let me go back around I know that we um some folks maybe have some things to add and then our last um slide is going to be on schedule and I think that's a perfect time for us to start weighing in on some of our priorities so did you have further comments now uh Miss Taylor um my question is on the special events fees so though there's a lot of new special well almost every single special event fee is new and I appreciate the initiative and trying to generate revenue for the city my question question is when when special events come to the city and the and ask for sponsorship most of what they're asking for is what we give as inine services so would these fees be what they're asking for in their sponsorship packets and would they just sort of cancel each other or would there actually be an opportunity to capture some Revenue I think there's actually an opportunity to capture re Revenue but I want to defer that to um Lance on that one um they do ask for some sponsorships and we do use some of the the room tax money that the council donates to special events to do some of that but I do think there is an opportunity here and Lance can probably Lance forado for the record uh so if I understand the question you're asking if the sponsorship allocations that go to these event uh promoters if essentially to to to explain what you were asking it is a it's an in-kind uh sponsorship so anything that the city sponsors as far as I'm sorry it provides as far as like uh L closures um police presence things like that that the city would provide we can offset those costs with that sponsorship so are these fees part of what they could ask for in their sponsorship on the on these fees specifically I in the new fee schedule I think that the only new fees involved in that were like banners uh new Bann a lot of Street Banner permit fees and stuff are that's actual they wouldn't be able to get they wouldn't be able to ask for a sponsor ship for that in their application uh you know if it if it involved the uh the actual time of Maintenance and operations to do that I think that we could offset that if they applied for it and everything was uh um their application was appropriate so let me tell you what I don't think would be good is if we Implement these fees and then we're just waving them with the special event sponsorship right AB absolutely yeah and and that I think goes along with the application process and the vetting through the committee for everybody to say yeah that that's not what this is intended for so I I think we have a catch all there okay perfect thank you you're welcome all right anyone else uh for this section yes Mr Martinez thanks so much Madam esor um I have a question about the park and wreck sliding fee schedule um I don't know if director ulia is here give a moment to come up but basically I'm just asking to see if you can explain the sliding fee schedule and how you're going to propos to do the calculation of income thank you for the question uh mayor and Council still it's the afternoon good afternoon um happy to answer some of those questions I'm really excited to use the overhead for the first time so if we can tune that up no we can't don't do that to me thank you all right um essentially what we're trying to do is that's pulling up is we do currently have a membership model for our uh programs and in our fees it's a mostly paid in full model which requires folks to pay for a full quarter of the year or a whole year uh at one time which is in my mind uh excluding people who are unable to do so so the sliding scale fits in we would like to move to a monthly kind of EFT model is that pulling up no still working on um move to that monthly EFT model electric fund transfer electronic funds transfer where it would automatically do that and then the sliding scale would provide that accessibility for a low monthly fee that they would pay rather than have to pay all of that up front so um I've got some things to illustrate that as soon as we get that pulled up but um what it could mean is then I want to make sure can mayor Shi see that is this being broadcast I just want to make sure yes yeah I don't think it my slides aren't up yet though right well this is it it's up on some up your back one sec okay um but so a good example would be if a standard fee is $15 then uh if a youth a youth is at the poverty level um they would be able to get a monthly uh membership for as little as $3 and then there's a scale between 3 6 9 12 and 15 okay so here we go so the goal the goal is to move towards a a sustainable model that allows us to charge a fee that would be um possible or or comparable to the private sector on similar services but then to maintain accessibility um as you can see on the bottom half of that slide that's where I was talking about um if at the highest rate which would be um you know above the 400 percentile of poverty it'd be $60 for an adult uh but that could go as low as $12 per month for an adult and then you can see the youth fee there at 15 per month with uh as low as $3 so let me show you what the scale looks like and let me ask you're you'll put these um you'll post these on our um website absolutely yeah we need to advertise this and get the information to folks so they understand it so this is this is a uh table of the scale there where you can see the household family size so are we doing that on purpose we're making the sliding scale sliding is that what we're doing this is the club version of the overhead could we actually zoom in a little to get a bigger view there we go okay all right so you can see on the uh the far left column there the household family size going down 1 2 3 4 5 all the way to eight goes down to 16 so we're there for everybody but um on the discount amount kind of row there is the discount they would receive off the price and the percentage above that on family size row is the poverty level so at 100% or poverty level based on the federal standard and 200% 3 00% and 400% so those are the amounts of household income you could uh that you would qualify under I'm I'm sorry Nathan I don't understand the slide at all could you try again this is just explaining the household size versus household income and what percentage off you could receive but are you saying you'd get what is the 400% for 400% of the poverty level so if you uh a household of four people if your household income was $120,000 um a year then that is for 100% of the poverty level so that's a cut off do what would you be paying yeah sure so you would get 20% off of $6 so for an individual it' be $48 a month so I'll go back to this piece here so and that that rate at so 60 and then so in between it it's basically a $12 increment of a discount so at 20% off you'd be paying 48 at uh 40% off you'd be paying don't make me math uh 36 and then uh at the next at the next phrase it would be 24 and then all the way down to 12 we need a slide on that okay sure well to give you an example so here are some current average salaries that we pulled up and this gives you an example of what they would pay for for a family of uh a household of three a single parent with two would pay that amount so it's all based on your household size and your income so that's why it's called a sliding scale so it's not going to be the same for every every person unless you're above the uh 400% sorry I know that's a little confusing yeah thank you for the explanation I did have another question on something else if I can move on with my time just cuz we're a little bit over but I was wondering about the individual residential parking signage fee it's increasing by $327 um so I'm just wondering about yeah that we work we're going from about $35 to $350 on that fee and just trying to figure out why we're doing that sure kri Cy your director of Public Works um that particular fee there is based on just on what it cost to install the parking um individual parking permit and the materials only so when that fee was originally put into place um years ago it hasn't been changed for as long as Inception that I know of um the we worked with our maintenance and operations folks and it takes about two and a half hours to install the posts and the signs the materials and and that's why we're asking for that fee in Cas that's it's just we're not making anything on it and and the the individual parking permit sign is a is Lifetime sign for as long as you own the the prop property and is there an application fee included with that or is it just that signage fee the sign to go in there okay and will this affect folks who live in like the residential zones that we approved just west of the University if they haven't gotten their signs installed yet or are those PR these updates no these will be for new new uh applicants um and they are for just um Ada um accessibility and for um um retired what's the other word ada senior citizens and excuse me not retired senior citizens who who who uh do not have have uh the parking available for them at their residence could you say more about that though what is that so Kurt you want to come up I'm going to let our traffic engineer explain it I'm struggling uh for the record C Tri C traffic inur and I'm sorry what was the question well what is the Ada what is the senior citizen is it a different thing than a handicap spot uh uh slightly different so the IRP is actually tied to the resident uh so what's IRP oh uh individual resident parking and so that signage is actually tied to the address it will say parking for this address only whereas an ADA spot would be more handicap parking for General use that's the primary difference but we have something called senior citizen parking that you apply for a permit that's not Ada no it's uh slightly different so the IRP is if you don't have enough off street parking spaces and but um however there was changes a number of years ago where it's only available for senior citizens and for ada8 reasons okay the I just had one quick comment if I may please um yeah the only reason I bring this up is because I think we're going to continue to see density in our areas and when we are near single res families single residential units um in our city then we have to take those things into consideration and increase was just pretty high in my eyes so I just wanted to make sure I got clarification on that justification so I appreciate that thank you well it seems like we could actually step into it without going to full cost recovery in one year in my opinion but that might be a way to mitigate the impact um Miss um ibert you had a comment yeah yeah this is actually for um director parks and re so uh your uh sheet with the the pricing that you know we had some back and forth literally on if we could get um wait till it's on the screen can we get it shown okay okay the other one with the table of the incomes could we get the actual like family cost so we have the salary here but if we could just get like maybe another column that shows like what it would actually cost so like your your family of five at 80% discount what it would cost just one more row of that absolutely yeah if nathanel for the record Parks and Recreation director um whatever you'd like to see to see where those breakdowns exist we can absolutely do that that'd be great cuz I know you have some like spot examples on that other sheet but I think it would be helpful to see you know actual numbers along with this like here's what the income would be but here's what your actual um price would be per family absolutely thank you okay all right I think Madame mayor any final comments on this section okay hearing none why don't we go back to our last slide and what I want to ask the team we we've had a request to break for lunch um I don't know how much input you have on the budget I have some things to say but um I'm sure we all do um what what's the temperature of the group what would you like to do I mean in other words do you want to take a 15minute break do you want to continue power through what could could you give me some input Madam vice mayor my only concern is we've got a lot of staff and so but I also don't want to limit any of my colleagues comments if we can be done here in the next 20 minutes I think we can all probably hold that I thought we could but I know people were having grumbling stomachs and what's that a five but if you promised to come back on five okay I'm willing to break for five um coming back in five that's a little bathroom break but that gives us a little chance to um get our proposals in okay so let's present this and then we're going to take a five minute break perfect so counc yeah really quick I want to make sure that we there you know there are still some questions that are outstanding and our priorities so I do want to make sure we schedule another special meeting to make sure that um everything that staff has asked for us that we have a clear understanding because we also have a council member out and I also value her opinion so I want to just make sure that you um request some time in a special meeting to make sure that we get all of our priorities and staff's priorities as well so we're all on the same page right now there's a lot of discussion but I still I'm not hearing uh concrete answers right I think we've asked staff great Point mayor shiv I think we've asked staff to come back with additional information that will help us make decisions later and um we want to know what some things look like give us some more detail give us some numbers instead of percentages even on our income even on the base budget the the the maintenance budget the fees Etc so that's what you're getting at and then also maybe a more detailed discussion on what we're looking for in the budget is that what you're thinking yes yeah okay all right so we'll do your thing we'll take a fem minute break we're going to come back with what we're proposing uh for our priorities generally and then I expect more discussion at this next meeting okay all right so this just gives you an idea of what's coming up as far as prepping for the budget so based on the comments and the priorities that we hear today we'll go back and sharpen our pencils and try to figure out ways to maybe fund things different ways if we have other funding sources that we can potentially use for some of these things we will do that um and we will also have um revenues we'll have some more data points for revenues we'll still be working on those in the interim to try to make sure we can accommodate some requests and do some things even with a flat budget so that is our priority um moving forward we'll come back on the May first with the budget workshop at that point to really give you an idea of where those revenues are tracking at that point we will have final numbers from the state at that point and we'll really have an idea of what we can and can't do based on the priorities that you give today and then obviously you could give new priorities too then if something else comes up we can look at it at that point too new priorities when on this on May 1st okay because you budget adoption occurs on May 22nd so we are still in that prep draft mode up until that point so even on that May 1st if there are new priorities or things change a little bit absolutely those can be considered at that point okay did you give us the the whole schedule here and then uh May 22nd will be the the public hearing so that is the final adoption date at that point and the Fe schedule our budget's due to taxation on June 1st so once Council adopts it it goes to Taxation and then our new fiscal year begins on July first okay okay any questions on this schedule I think we have one mayor shivi just asked for a special Workshop before April 15th okay uh May 1st would be the next Workshop so I know but she just asked for I believe I want to confirm but she just asked for a special followup to this meeting is that correct mayor shivi well an entire wrap up of of everything because I want to make sure that we're getting um everything on uh on this budget that we want to because I know there's a lot of different priorities like right now I could like jump into special events and go off for 30 minutes and those kinds of things and I don't want to do that I want to be um respectful of everyone's time so um that's why I think that we seeing this budget for the first time it makes you start to think hey so you cut out there um I don't know if we lost you let me ask the clerk is it's still there okay but we're just not hearing oh there you are so that's all I'm saying is I want to make sure that we uh have a final wrap up and that could be at the end but it's got to be before we adopt so are you comfortable with the next workshop being May 1st which is in about um 6 weeks or no I think we should have one before to wrap up on this and have sort of a checklist of the discussion topics so that you know I unless you feel that you're getting enough feedback from us well I personally think it would be useful it doesn't it won't be a whole day I think would be an hour or two at the most but a check-in while they're revising this budget I think would be good um I maybe three weeks or something can I just interject here for we won't really have any new revenues at that point I mean I won't have a a new presentation between now and May 1st because I need that time to really refine revenues and such so nothing on like for finance side is really going to change between now and May May 1 but obviously we could hear a lot more priorities and things if you want me to come back and just listen to priorities and kind of go through that again but I won't really have anything really new to tell you at that point but you did say March 25th I believe that you would be getting some projections yes we'll have property tax projections at that point yes so that's at least one new data point yes okay so mayor I hope it gives the council enough time to sort of I guess Ponder some of these um you know priorities uh because like I said I think you know there's a lot that I'm starting to think about and I think Council should bring those back because right now you're hearing sort of where staff's head is going and I I'm not so sure we're weighing in on the capacity of which we're ready to do so right I hope that makes sense yeah are you looking are you thinking let's just say it was a Monday are you thinking April 1st or are you thinking April 8th maybe um I I'll have to check with Brian but I definitely think that we should have and we can make it short I think we can do it in an hour but I want right Council to Define exactly what they want to see out of these priorities that she's presented today right no I I agree and so maybe April 8th is in about three weeks I mean that might give us all time to mul on what we've learned ask more questions and come back with sort of some additional thoughts so just consider it and maybe propose something back to us okay all right well listen what I'd like to do it's almost quarter of um I'd like us to come back um in we'll just say at uh 10 of one so that we can give our final input for this session so we're having a bathroom break um whatever including staff we you've been all sitting for a really long time so we have maybe a half hour more to go I would say uh to give everybody a couple rounds remind too we have RDA coming up after this too there's more yes R more presentation yes for the Redevelopment agency this I didn't realize yes okay yeah I have it but didn't realize it's not very it should be fairly quick okay all right so with that I'm I'm actually going to modify I'm gonna say five of one I I just want everybody back in their seat okay okay well we're in recess so 5 minutes a one e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e all right um we're going to come back off our recess thank you everyone for your Indulgence I'm sure the staff benefited from that as well because you've been all on point for you know several hours uh almost three hours so um do you want to pick us up you're we're going to do the um RDA and Madame mayor or Madam vice mayor just for the record it is 12:58 and uh council member Martinez and mayor shiv are absent at this time okay we still have a quorum so we're going to push through okay so now we're at a point uh Vicky van be and Director of Finance for the record we are at a point where um any Council priorities things that you would like to see in the budget um things you would like to see for the next Workshop information that you need um Now's the Time to let us know that so that we can start working on those items and work in that direction okay so let me I was going to start with mayor shivi on this but since she's not online we'll go back in the order that we've been so I'm going to call on council member Taylor do you want to just sort of share with us some of your thoughts on the and I tried to be as organized in the thoughts that I possibly could at this point with the information that we have so I broke what my priorities are are into now near and far um and these priorities are coming from what I hear from my constituents and the calls for service that we get so in the now category the number one thing that I hear is code enforcement and parking and I'm I'm looking for the team to help us figure out what or who is the best person or Finance Strate y to get there so parking and we already heard about it abandoned vehicles RVs that is the number one complaint so how do we work with that moving forward in the now time frame the second thing I hear and this is probably not going to be very popular but it's from people from all over and in our calls for service is the nuisance crimes the homeless the unsheltered the rmc's that are not being adhered to in our parks on our streets and in our city are causing a great deal of concern for the community and what I mean is it's I don't know if it's RPD I don't know if it's the bid I don't know who is responsible for this but when people call they get a non they have to go to the non-emergency number and it takes there's there's not enforcement in that space and again I'm not I don't know if it's our PD but I would love to see if we can allocate some resources to getting that taken care of um the third thing and um in the now is a bar car one of my constituents talked about some of the noise and the loitering going on downtown at night on the streets not necessarily businesses but and I know there's different um enforcement I think there was a SAS team or something like that but some something that's more regular in the near future um one of the things I heard from constituents was getting the Reno Arch lit in a sustainable way so um some of the lights are out it it might be a onetime capital project and then um this is probably in the Far City Center is a huge blight downtown I don't know what the city can do as far as helping move that project along but if we can do screening um if we can do something to deter from the shape that that's in until it gets rebuilt that would be a win in the far term um I just have two more things and you can take extra time I want each person take up to even four or five minutes you know to kind of tell us what you're thinking so in the in the far term looking towards the goal of fiscal sustainability I'd like to see SE tax and property tax just something to make sure that we the City of Reno is getting paid for the services that they provide that's the short of it and then sewer fund a I love the affordability that we have in the sewer fund um for sewer tax credits I don't know if that's going to be something that we'll be able to sustain in the future but I'm very interested in learning about that because I think um that's the number three thing I hear here from our constituents is affordability and at the city I think that's actually something that we can help with at our level so thank you Madame Vice may I appreciate that yeah sure um how about you Mr Martinez thank you so much I will not try to repeat some of the stuff that I agree with Council uh woman Taylor on especially when it comes to fiscal sustainability and investing um in Code Enforcement I definitely have to agree uh with those needs from our communities from what I hear uh speaking to Conti ents I think uh in line with what council member re said as well uh looking at making investments into our Parks and Recreation um in open space and doing those looking at different ways to pull all of our funding sources together different buckets that we have to make those Investments for our community I think a lot of times our Comm community members that's the only place that they have to get away from their day-to-day grind I'll call it um and have sort of a safe haven to be able to take their families um I do appreciate all the smart and uh Forward Thinking Investments that you're proposing to us to be able to in the longterm uh benefit from paying off some of our debt and maybe capitalizing on some of those efforts so wherever we can in investing in our our Parks and Recreation uh Public Safety and provid ing economic opportunities for our our community I think that's stuff that I want to want to prioritize during this budget season so thank you okay very good and we'll go to council member Reese I know you started but I want to give you another opportunity to kind of elaborate yeah I don't know that my priorities have changed in the five years that I've been in Council they've been pretty much consistently the same and I think we're doing good work in these areas I'll just reiterate one is Public Safety our core um competency and Mission as a city and certainly the functions of a city the charter committee requires us to maintain those and uh you know the mayor has consistently said a safe city is a prosperous City so I think that's an important commot for me I am interested in looking at and perhaps this is something I can take up with Chief Nance about looking at the ways in which we can bring Public Safety into each of the wards um I think each one of us um I because I'm the atlarge I see the city in an entirely different way and so each person may be advocating for very specific things that are related to their Ward function and so for my part I want to make sure that we have continued safety in all Wards of the uh City uh the second thing is uh our Parks and Recreation services parks and pools we'll call it I think we've been doing um as best a job we can with the budget we have I think long term we've got to find out a more sustainable path for our Parks and Recreation services is because the number one concern that I hear by um folks is about making sure we have access to Great parks and recreational facilities and then the last thing is is kind of the grab bag of all the things priorities for um things like the Lear theater things that happen to engage downtown revitalization efforts as we continue to improve our downtown core I think that touches on a lot of things council member Taylor talked about in terms of you know Services downtown and making sure that we have um you know a river that is vibrant and Parks touch on that as well so those are the issues again I know that the budget is um you know a lot of it is our people and so from year to year I want to make sure that we prioritizing our employees making sure we've met their um needs and continue to grow uh appropriately as we can knowing that I don't know that I've ever been here when we haven't had a flat budget the budget's pretty cons assistent over time I don't see us as having some huge Spike some year where we're going to then be allocating all these resources that we didn't previously have so it's incrementalism and I'm okay with that being the case I think if we have a five-year prioritization which we do through some of our different planning processes it leads the discussions very easily so no new fancy toys for me just want to make sure that we consistently are uh supporting the items that uh I think we've consistently said we want to support so thank you great um Miss Ebert um I also like council member Ree and and Taylor agree that Public Safety is a very important priority but I do realize that this is um onetime funds so it might not be um enough to add you know another unit to the police force though I wish it was something that we could do ongoing but there's just no guarantee that we would have this funds These funds in the future so um that's important to me but I feel like we have a Pros plan we adopted um that I think that we could use some of these funds towards I think that would be a really great use um of these funds to um help with our our Parks and Rec Department um but I also think that we might it might be wise to um use some of those funds to fund our OPB trust account just to kind of um speed us up and and fully funding that account I think that that would be a great benefit to the city so um again just Public Safety as a priority but I'm not sure you know how how longterm um these funds could affect that but also um I think that funding um the fire station would be a great idea if um if we could use that money towards that I think that would also be a wise use of funds okay great um mayor shivi I don't know if you're on okay uh well we're going to need to here from mayor shivi so if she does not opine in this meeting I'm going to ask you specifically to get with her and sit with her and set up a meeting and specifically find out what she would like to see in the budget okay absolutely um as for me um very similar to my colleagues with a few little maybe twists um I too am very focused on Public Safety have been all the way through I know that we made some um good Investments last time is what I recall um so some things I'm thinking about are not necessarily more police but tools that will help them do better policing and what I'm thinking about um I had a few cases that came up in my own neighborhood and nearby neighborhoods where the real issue was not a lack of Staff it was data management they were not able to take the data of reported crime and be able to synthesize that and be able to deploy their resources where there was like crime and so I think that we could really benefit um from I know that uh Chief Nance is already on this path but I want to support her in this I want to make sure that uh for example the person that's I don't know their definite title but they're in charge each evening let's say what is it called Watch Commander yes I was exactly the Watch Commander um doesn't seem to have information from previous nights for example or previous shifts to the extent that they could actually deploy resources where the hits are coming whether it's breaking entering whether it's um uh uh people wandering the streets I I've heard that complaint just going into into homes not into homes but into yards um those kind of things like where those are happening so that they can understand and there there came in um a related issue was that I found out that when people make 911 calls unless they actually each call is assigned a number and unless they actually have the number of their call then it's hard for our Police Department to aggregate calls that are on the same incident from different people and it's a it's an it's just another aspect of this data management so the data is coming in either from calls or from individuals or from 911 and being able to aggregate that and then deploy our resources I think would really really help our police um number two in the public safety arena for me um I think folks know that there's a project in South Reno it's a Public Safety project to fence horses from people um so that we have far fewer car crashes so we've had something on the order of uh in just the last four years something like 45 car crashes just due to horses wandering and so I want to make sure if we don't have enough arpa money um for the fencing that we consider putting that in the capital program to complete the project um I too am very focused on Parks it probably is my number one that I hear and I want to make sure that we have a capital program to patch the paths possibly um in the future might not be this year but I'm looking at a Parks planner we've been talking about it the whole 10 years I've been on Council is that there is no person left in parks that plans future Parks or plans the um future of existing parks and they need that person they do and then uh the pros plan laid out a lot of issues particularly related to maintenance and I think we need to make sure that we've figured out how we're going to continue keeping our Parks up because we all know that if we don't take care of something it will just degrade that's an asset for our community and many people are relying on it um and as part of the parks I'd like to bring the trees in for land um this year whether that's the tree ordinance uh tree fines proper tree appraisals and I understood we hired a staff but we just as we had a huge impact in the um historic resources Arena we talked about at Council that by having a person we are doing a much better job of identifying historic resources and bringing them to council similarly unless we have a number two person with our Urban Forester or a person over in planning uh to do this tree work it's just going to be status quo so I feel like we need to take a next step and then finally for me um is Code Enforcement we were just talking about some ideas but I really think this is the year uh possibly to to make a step uh whether that is in uh parking enforcement whether that is in the towing revising our process um and also making our fin stick at the break I asked our manager uh I said well our code enforcement officer said that he can charge $1,000 a day but I said but do we and does that stick and it sounds like the hearing officers May wave some of these fines so we don't ever really get to a a place where that's meaningful and so maybe we need to look at our hearing officer processes and our code enforcement processes and how those are marrying up I think I've hit most of the things um there's probably some more ads but you know we have future conversations as well and then I want to check in one more time to see if mayor shivi's uh online it sounds like no so again I'm going to ask you to get with her specifically and looks like Mr ree you would like to add thank you madam vice mayor I want um perhaps to put something out there for my colleagues and and perhaps this will be something Miss fan Bean you can help us with OPB is a very complex Le and um uh well it's I'll call it a difficult concept right I think most of us have a concept in our mind but it probably does not match up with what it is and I'm just going to suggest that we bring in either some expertise from outside uh that would help us to understand the way in which Actuarial data comes to bear in how we pay down that liability because like I I by analogy I would just say many of us have a mortgage and we have a 30-year mortgage and so we don't own the home until the end of that 30-year period and we pay it off you know consistently over time and of course the sooner you put money towards it like I know people who can afford to make make an extra payment a year which then shaves off a certain number of years on your mortgage it would be worth I think having a discussion at a higher level to help everyone understand what that liability is in part because we've made some priorities over the last couple years we have not funded it although it's always a choice right whether we fund it to the level which would allow us to pay it off at some future point in time I sort of was looking at the numbers that you posited today and thought you know if we put $2 million a year into it for 10 years it would free up like let's just say $12 million in the general fund and I know my numbers are not correct but the point being is we need to have a a philosophical discussion about what is the opep what is the unfunded liability in it why does it matter who does it matter to our employees how is the payo model being sustained there is I think one or two entities uh Statewide I know the county and maybe the North Lake Taho Fire Protection District have paid off their unfunded liabilities they've reached the maximum amount that they can pay into their trust for the purpose of it but I do think it's just worth it because for example my preference this year would be not to pay anything into it again but then make a commitment in other years to make incremental adjustments to it I think in down budget years we get creative about where we rob Peter to pay Paul from and it seems easiest of course to me at times to talk about the oped liabilities I also think there's a philosophical conversation to be had about whether or not current generations of persons meaning those taxpayers now are paying for future generations of stuff and then will not have the same concent and responsibility and so I do think it's important to pay it down I just think I don't believe it has to be aggressively done because it is always going to be a place where we're going to have variances the Actuarial information as people retire and as people um age out of the system I I just think there's something there there that would benefit us to maybe bring in some kind of outside expertise to give some knowledge about are we on the right track I mean what are we doing with it what does actual Dy say because I don't want to fund it if it's not necessary in this particular calendar year okay let me ask uh open for another round Miss Taylor anything Mr Martinez let me ask you Mr Martinez you were asked some very po questions about the fines and the fees do you do you want to give any guidance to the staff about that area sure yeah I appreciate the opportunity to clarify some of that I do think that uh especially when it comes to the individual residential parking signage fee I know um I I understand the need to cover our costs on that but if there was a way to do sort of a step up to the $350 um proposal I think that would help me better support that okay great okay that's helpful uh Miss Ebert anything to add okay I have U two things to add one is uh I wanted to support Miss Ebert's comment about the 10 million I do think that we should at least make some investment in moving our fire headquarters forward um I don't know what that looks like I mean I have a feeling we're going to have to use some of this uh to fund some emergent issues but I do think even if it's let's say 3 million of the 10 million wherever that gets us I mean we don't want to have this project language languish and um but we have already also gone into debt right I mean it's part of the the $60 million um issuance that we did I think a certain amount 2 million for the design yes right okay okay so I think you know maybe we need to take the next steps okay and the second thing is and this is again we took some really good steps on the early part of my turn uh time on Council uh to come up with a sustainability plan but we have never been able to take the next step and actually put those thoughts words and plan into action and I thinking about things like this the Envy energy franchise is coming up and we should be taking a hard look look at it in terms of um where do we want to take that how do we work together with our partner on um sustainability initiatives the other one that's going to be coming up within it two years is the waste management uh franchise I think 2028 we're at 2024 but we've got to start thinking about what amendments we want and doing the research whether that's composting Hazardous Waste Recycling E-Waste recycling all of those things it's a very big contract and it takes a long time to review it and to revise it and to arrive at agreement prior to his expiration so we've got to um there's going to be a point at which we go out to Bid And so in order to go out to bid we're going to have to decide what we want in that contract and that's all part of the sustainability um and there are obviously many other aspects to the sustainability we've had a team in here every council meeting for like the last 10 Council meetings of people that care about the environment and climate change they keep coming and attending and I don't want to miss their message and I think one of their messages to us would be we should Implement our sustainability plan okay okay all right um all right any Miss Ebert you had something sorry I did want to chime in again um and this is to council member der's point about the um importance of trees and and the climate activists that come in and speak I just wanted to put on the record that word 4 has the lowest tree canopy uh in the entire city of Reno at 5% and we also according to the FEMA maps have um very high temperature increase um I I just want to say how important it is for for me that the entire city of Reno has as many trees and green spaces as possible but also in particular Ward 4 has the greatest need for tree canopy and I know that we've accepted um two grants um that I can think off the top of my head um during my time on Council that were um for other areas in the City of Reno outside of w 4 which is great Reno needs trees but part of the um hurdles that that I'm dealing with in W 4 and and providing those um resources is a lack of infrastructure meaning um water yeah irrigation irrigation so um if we can use some of these funds in the pros plan and um in parks and uh rack to make it so that we can uh increase the tree canopy in in the part of Reno that that most desperately needs it um because we've you know made commitments to try and help with um warming in the City of Reno and we want to work to do what we can to help with climate change in the City of Reno um W 4 has a tremendous need for that so just wanted to um reiterate that council member do reminded me of that when she talked about you know climate change and the need for trees so um just wanted to put that on the record thank you good and just as a side note um I think that is very true and that is one reason um that we are just for everyone's information planning to hold Arbor Day in W 4 we're also planning our very next tree planting to be in W 4 um with fruit trees I think and other trees two different Parks is what I understand so urban forestry has been working on that message message receive thank you okay um all right so there was I think I I wanted to make a mention when we talk about Parks maintenance I'm going to just give a very concrete example so we're not all vague there's been a pending project for 10 years at Virginia Lake which is to uh stabilize the bank the bank is sloughing in it's causing water pollution um it is um eating away at the trees on the West Bank it is eating away it will soon be eating away at the path and so we've got to figure out a way to to it's a perfect example of we have an asset decaying and we've got to take the steps to reinforce that asset and not have the trees fall in the bank fall in the water pollution start up again and so I want to make sure that's just a concrete example when we talk about Parks maintenance has been on the list for a long time okay all right well we're going to close out this section and give it back to you uh to take us through the Redevelopment could I ask one more question on the the fees the RMC those codes is that something that Council wants to pursue as far as removing those and putting them on the fee schedule because if so that that process needs to happen pretty quickly for us to adopt that on May 22nd so that would have to come forward pretty quickly so I just want to make sure that I'm going to raise my hand yes any uh I see Hands raising okay okay so I think there's General support for that thank you so Madame vice mayor if we can just close out the Reno city council meeting so we can open RDA so I'm going to move on to item H1 which is city council comments I do not see any city council comments okay um item J1 is closing public comment we do not have I've not received any and we do not have anyone registered if anyone is in the zoom meeting would like to make closing public comment please raise your hand at this time okay I'm looking for a motion to adjourn uh the Reno city council meeting all right I have a motion from council member ree second from council member Martinez all in favor please say I I I any opposed motion passes unanimously and the Reno council is adjourned and now we will open up the Reno Redevelopment agency section um I think we do not need to pledge to the flag again uh could you take roll call please give me just a second to get us transitioned over okay for all right Madame vice mayor thank you so we're um moving on to item A2 of the Redevelopment agency board which is roll call council member breus absent at this time dur here Martinez eert here Taylor here Rees shivi absent at this time Madame vice mayor you do have a quorum of the Redevelopment agency board and it is 127 okay is there any public comment for this meeting I do not have any registered if you're a participant in the zoom meeting please raise your hand at this time and just for the record oh members of the public may hear observe and provide public comment virtually by registering through the following link which can be found on reno.gov meetings h ttps colon l i n KS period re n o period G oov SL capital c o u n c i l 03 hyphen 18 hyphen 24 Madame vice mayor we can close out opening public comment all right and I'm looking for approval of the agenda [Music] sove okay I have a motion from Mr ree second from Mr Martinez all in favor please say I I any opposed motion passes unanimously uh we now have approval of the minutes and we do have minutes from the November 15 2023 meeting approve all right I have a motion from Mr ree second from Miss Taylor all in favor please say I I any opposed motion passes unanimously H there are no public hearings uh this agenda and then we're back to item C Department items Finance back to you good afternoon Vicky van and Director of Finance this should be fairly quick on this part it's just to give you an update of where we're at on the Redevelopment agencies the city has two um Redevelopment area number one is mostly downtown in the downtown Corridor and then Redevelopment area 2 is spread out around town in about seven different areas so the yellow area is Redevelopment number one and Redevelopment number two is the pink area on your map if we go to Redevelopment one this shows you a a zoom in portion of that to show you the downtown area where this is impacted uh this Redevelopment area was established in 1983 and it expires in 2043 it is not eligible under current NRS to be extended anymore this would be the end of it versus if there's no other changes to NRS it is the downtown area with that parking garage that is on Sierra Street the garage is managed by cers um the revenues that come in to that are pledge to debt if there are any excess revenues over the expenditures for uh things that have to be repaired or um done within the garage we have a fixed amount of Motor Vehicle privilege tax that was given the rda1 when it was established and it just continues at that same amount every year it's about $120,000 and then in Miss laneous expenses we have repairs to the garage which would be maintenance on the garage the gates and such painting I think was one of the items they did one year as well in the rda1 there are some bonds that were issued a long time ago to build out various projects and those bonds actually mature in just a few years in 2027 there are two there's a general fund and a debt fund for each Redevelopment area this is Redevelopment area number one's general fund uh what's included in here is the motor vehicle privilege tax and then the parking Gallery um rent and then the expenses for the parking Gallery there's really nothing else that um is impacted in here when we go to rda1 debt fund this is where the property taxes actually flow into to for the RDA one and um the property taxes historically have not been enough since the expiration of that 2018 agreement uh since that time to pay for The Debt Service in here so we have been eating away at some of the cash balances in here to pay some of that debt up until recently where it's getting really close to the amount that we need to come in um to pay that debt so you'll notice for fiscal year 25 there we have adorm taxes which is property tax of almost $3 million and then we have total of expenses about uh 2.9 so that's really the first year which would be next year to where we're actually finally being able to cover what we have in debt service um some of the cash balances that we've had in the past are sale of properties and such and that we've used those funds to pay the debt service in this time we also took a a loan from RDA 2 in fiscal year 22 in order to keep it afloat until these uh bonds pay out in 27 and so that loan was $1.2 Million we do anticipate that this will be um paid back in either 26 or 27 back to RDA 2 so if you look at the tax increment coming in so this is a tax increment in rda1 and um I left the actuals on this one for 23 just so you could see that it is is growing that tax increment is really growing in that area but we do have that big outstanding debt that's still there until 2027 so there's really not a lot we can do with rda1 at this point until those pay off you'll see the line that's the debt service line that blue line once that pays off and goes to zero and 27 then all of that increment would be available to do projects and things going forward but right now there's really no capacity Within rda1 if you see out in 2036 that is this rda1 taking on the baseball agreement that's a million dollars a year so RDA 2 is currently paying the baseball agreement and when that expires in 2035 rda2 ends earlier when that ends rda1 would have to take on that debt so that's why you see that dip and then coming back up now RDA to is this pink area so you can see it's kind of spread out it's got some area over there by boom toown as well it was established in 2005 it expires like I said in 2035 and again this one is not eligible to be extended either under the current NRS we've extended it as many times as we can so there's seven different areas the property tax revenues fully cover the baseball agreement um baseball agreement is the only thing in here aside from a very small uh debt that was done for the Cabellas um uh they call it the museum the mum that's in there for the animals and such that are in there because the city owns that so if we go on to the again it has a general fund and it has a a debt Fund in here so the general fund all of the the taxes for property tax are coming in here so you'll see there's a lot of property tax coming in here because it has come online just like rda1 but rda1 has all of that debt associated with it rda2 does not so it's actually come on a little faster as far as the revenues increasing in rda2 area so the baseball agreement is the biggest thing in here we did give that loans 1.2 million to rda1 back in fiscal year 22 but at the end of this year we're end of next year so sorry end of next year we're projecting we'll have around $18 million in rda2 so we're building it's building up over time at this point because we have excess uh property tax in there one of the things that I would recommend is thinking about for the next round when we come back in a workshop is using a portion of this uh funding that we have in RDA 2 to do the site work and the demolition work and such for the new fire station so because of the location of the fire station there is a Nexus for it to be paid could be paid rda1 rda2 supported but I think there's a good um there's a good opportunity here to get ahead of the debt financing that eventually will have will need to happen for the fire station so we're saving money as we go along and then if we could go ahead and do the Demolition and the site work anticipating that would be around $10 million so just getting out ahead of that in front of it while the planning's done and then you're ready to go at the point that that's ready to to be bonded and move forward the debt fund like I said just has that one little Cabella's bond in there and it's about $50,000 a year we put a portion of the taxes in here just to cover that little bit of a bond but um there's really nothing else going on in this one and then rda2 if you look at the tax increment I think this really tells you the story you can see that it's really increasing year-over-year and going out um the line is that baseball agreement that we have the million dollars a year when that ends in 20 RDA 2 ends in 2035 the baseball agreement would continue on in RDA 1 until that agreement ends which is 2043 so that concludes my present presentation on this so if you have questions on that or if you want recommendations as far as what you want to see in RDA projects I think um in RDA 2 in order to use funds for the fire station if that's something Council wants to look at we would need to look at doing a plan Amendment just an amendment to add that um particular project to that RDA plan if that was something that Council was in support of okay all right thanks I have a quick question then we'll open up um I want to make sure I understand in rda1 what are the major projects you mentioned baseball agreement and you said that ends in in RDA 1 the baseball agreement is actually not in there yet it will once RDA 2 ends in 2035 because the agreement goes until 2043 so it would have to come back to rda1 at some point so it's in rda2 now but it will come back in yes 2035 yes then is the garage in garage is an rda1 yes and do you know when that completes uh the garage is complete it's just the revenues that we get from that garage okay I mean it's all the debts paid yes okay so what what are you said the significant debt for rda1 so what is that there were many projects I mean I might have to defer that one but I I know there were a lot of projects done along the river or along the river there were lots of projects downtown around certain areas there were there was a whole whole plan around that debt when it was taken out many years ago well I think for the council's general knowledge since half the people weren't here when that happened and I wasn't even here when that happened um in fact none of us were here when that happened um I think it'd be good in your next budget presentation to at least tell us what's in the what specific projects that we can get our mind around and when those things are paid off absolutely okay all right well let's open it up Miss Taylor thank you Madam vice mayor um thank you Vicki and I have a hard I still have a hard time getting my arms around the RDA 1 and rda2 so a couple of general questions in the original budget or in the budget presentation that we just had there was an RDA Rd one and two line item of $28 million I think at the very bottom it was on page eight of your original presentation and I'm wondering how you get those numbers from this or should I be even looking at that so this is the first one the very first budget presentation our last meeting at Reno city council oh okay so it it says RDA 1 and two $28 million plus some change that would be the total of the expenditures budgeted for next year plus their ending cash balance okay so so if I look at RDA 1 it looks like at the 2425 is there $2.2 million in there um and our in the Deb fund yes there would be 2.2 and then in RDA 1 the general fund 1.8 but a part of that in the general fund um is not cash it's a piece of property that is marked as held for resale um and we may realign that as far as accounting wise to take it out of here it has been sitting here it's that little piece of property that's next to the plaza where they Park vehicles on sometimes I think the initial intent when it was purchased a long time ago they were going to resell it so it sits on the books as kind of a cash thing that we're going to resell but it's not necessarily available and that's about a million dollars of that 1.8 so is it the rda1 money when it starts kicking off has to be spent in rda1 and rda2 money has to be spent in rda2 yes or there has to be a Nexus between that they could do such as like the ballpark the parks in a in a spot where it has a Nexus between the two um so with the fire station the fire station would have a Nexus as well so we're we really might be able to have some funding in this in 24 25 in RDA 2 where we can start doing stuff I guess this is more of a comment into my colleagues I'm wondering would that this board be the Redevelopment agency to make those decisions or is there an opportunity to actually create a Redevelopment Authority board uh you are the board okay so this is the board and I'm wondering if there would be a different because this is my qu I'm getting requests from people saying they want RDA money from constituents out there they want this RDA money and I don't think we have the mechanisms to even process what the application would look like what the requests would be and how will we go about making those decisions cuz we haven't had any money we haven't had to so I would be interested in seeing what that looks like each area does have their own Redevelopment area plan that was originally adopted and amended as it's moved along so um based on what's in that plan that will determine what you can do with those funds within that area and like I mentioned with the fire station the fire station does not currently exist in the plan but we could bring back a plan Amendment to the board here to approve if that's something that the board wanted to do okay so I guess just thinking of how we would go about functionally spending this money moving forward once we have money that we haven't had before thank you yeah I think it would happen at this board we would ask staff to bring back proposals we have a Redevelopment staff now so and I think I would be interested in seeing other options of that just to see how other entities and other cities and other places have been doing it it'd be nice to get some actual experts in the Redevelopment space and and finance and um downtowns or Redevelopment boards I would I would be interested in that absolutely bring that back with the next kind of do a more in-depth into it yeah okay uh Mr Martinez yeah thank you so much mad vice mayor thanks Vick again for the great information and presentation I think I'm just trying to understand um those projected $10 million that we're talking about and you this was brought up in our first meeting earlier this day when we talked about uh the contingency funds and now we're talking about in the RDA so I'm just trying to understand is there 20 million to play with or is this two same bucket different buckets different buckets um are you just giving us options basically to consider I'm just giving you options for it as you can see this is the slide um here we have a beginning balance at the end of this year right now we've only spent about $100,000 on some projects that they're working on um so at the end of the year we would have about $13 million that would be the third column there um without changing anything and just paying the baseball agreement we're going to get more property tax in here and we're going to end the year at $18 million so there is an opportunity to assign some of that um and do something with it and that is where I'm kind of uh putting out my thoughts on using 10 million of that 18 to go ahead and get the fire station started by doing that site work and doing that work ahead of time before we actually need a bond so to answer I mean to ask but that's not the same 10 million that you were pointing us that was savings yes so I don't think we understood that we didn't understand that this is separate yes yeah but we understand it now so we would have 10 million that we would be saving toward it and we could also use 10 million from here what that does was decrease the amount of debt that we would need in the future for the fire station potentially um I I think just my personal thoughts are that probably the costs are going to increase like we've seen in every other Capital project that we have and so from a fiscal side of it I think it's best to put aside money as we can and we have it available to work toward that um we've seen with the public safety center and the pool we've had to keep coming back for furniture and fixtures and some of these other things so I think it's fiscally prudent if we have the funds to kind of look that would be a good op option and I don't know if this next question is for a later time when we do explore that uh option but what would it look like to do to make an amendment to the plan to include the headquarters in the RDA I don't think it would be it would just have to come back to this board to approve a plan Amendment so we'd have to just work with legal on what that would look like but I don't think it would entail anything very complicated okay thank you all right uh Mr ree thank you madam vice mayor miss vanan it it feels like we're a year away from really wanting to have more subser discussions because until there are dollars in these various funds I I'm not sure what you're looking for from us today uh for my part um I think I am sort of cautiously agreeing that we should have the ability to apply These funds to the fire station potentially but I also know that we made a decision and given your good work on the Bond side we made the decision to go out and look at bonds as a way of financing so in the end of the day if we Finance some of it with bonds if we use some cash on hand to make that Gap I I think that will be a question that will arise later especially as we get into more specific and targeted project costs but I will say just generally speaking the Redevelopment agencies and we'll just focus on two uh because I think one's a little bit harder um you know I suppose the goal is to spend the dollars in the area where it's been generated for the benefit of that area right we set up the Redevelopment agencies in order to look at a particular area of town primarily in the downtown environment and ultimately it may be that this is where we get the funds to have a broader discussion about our Parks our plan along the river uh some of the revitalization efforts that we've gone through in the Virginia uh Street placemaking study where we've got a bunch of projects that we have not been able to fully fund and and maybe this is where those funds come from uh to better finish off the believe Plaza and The Locomotion Plaza and all those areas so I I'm interested in really having more in-depth discussions about that when the funds are actually there so again it feels like we're a year away from really having to make those more broader discussions um but I I think we're on the right track um I think Mr McCardell and his team will be you know uh the folks who really will have a a greater input in what we're going to do with these dollars um and and ultimately I think that those conversations will happen here um as we sort of decide what to do with these dollars um I don't think there'll be a a big grab where we're going to use them to backfill a whole bunch of needs in the general fund or something weird like that but perhaps there are overlaps between this and our priorities for public safety especially it relates to downtown um teams and so there's a lot going on here but it feels like we're just a year earlier than I thought we'd be having the conversation but those are some of my general thoughts okay okay miss eird any thoughts on the Redevelopment agency budget um I just wanted to also say that I think this is a great way to to help fund the fire station I think that that's something that's really needs to be funded and I'm not sure on the timing piece of it whether it be something that we decide now or year from now but I think it's something that we really need to to fund for our firefighters so thank you okay um I'm going to concur with the comments we've already heard I don't want to be repetitive but again um I do support the fire station work it supports everyone helps everyone and um I do want to though go back to my first question about the items in the RDA budget um I've been informed Mr mcardle's here I see him and um I was wondering for next meeting if you could give us something comprehensive but if he could just speak to what are some of the big ticket items in there so we get our mind around it yeah Brian McCardell revital revitalization manager um so there are multiple projects part of the streetcape improvements with the stam concrete and the the light Pooles downtown um the bowling Stadium I believe the padio receives some funds uh on the the website if you go to the Redevelopment section there is a list of funded funded project projects that happened previously as well as unfunded projects that were proposed but never funded uh and so you can review all those I don't have specifics on the deals that went into those and the amounts I do know that uh they weren't bonded against I believe the only thing that that's what I wanted to know is is there bonding against this no no I think the only thing that was bonded was the ballpark okay okay and that's an RDA to at this time okay it's just an agreement not a bond okay excuse me yeah all right very good all right well I think we're we're ready to um now let me I may have been remiss in our last hearing we didn't actually take a motion but I think you understood our Council Direction yes we all went through um but it looks like you want a motion on this one it's similar to the other one it's just feedback on what you want to see coming forward all right I'll move to direct staff to move forward with the development of the fiscal year 2024 2025 budget based on the feedback from this body okay all right so we have a motion from council member Reese second from council member Martinez um all in favor please say I I any opposed all right motion passes unanimously um and that takes us I believe to there's no ordinances either introduced or adopted uh mayor and Council items comments any comments this one I'm seeing none um there's no public hearings uh we're looking at a final public comment Madame vice mayor we do not have anyone registered if you're on zoom and would like to make public comment please raise your hand at this time seeing none we're going to close public comment and we're looking for a motion to adjourn all right a second all right I have a motion from council member ree second from council member Ebert to um adjourn our meeting all in favor please say I I any opposed motion passes unanimous we are adjourned e