this meeting is called to order i will now conduct an attendance roll call please signify by saying present council member al aldama he's he's here he's uh he's occupied his voice has changed he's here he's here i see him thank you councilmember councilmember clark here councilmember malnar present council member tom chomp president council member turner president and the chair is president mrs bowers will you please introduce item one fiscal year 2122 budget workshop well good morning vice mayor members of the council we're here to provide you the most recent information regarding our cip and i'll turn it this time over to leset camacho our director of budget and finance of course you'll be assisted by amy lindsay our budget administrator good morning vice mayor members of the council today is our fifth budget workshop on capital improvement plan for today's presentation we'll cover the updated draft 10-year cip which includes additions and changes from the last budget workshop we'll also cover the 10-year and the one-year draft capital improvement plan ms lindsey will cover the project summaries by project type the projects that you'll see in this presentation are the same projects you saw over the last four budget workshop if there's a change in one of the projects the project summaries will have a summary of the changes the changes will cover any changes in the budget changes in the funding source any movements of budgets from one year to another we are looking for council consensus in today's presentation on the 10-year draft cip also looking for consensus on the additions and changes to the cip that we'll be presenting today this slide covers the two new projects that were added to the 10-year cip the first one is the general government capital project which is a placeholder funding for capital projects funded by one-time revenues the project can be found on page 60 of your binder there will be future budget future workshops to discuss the specific projects with the city council the second project that was added to the cip is the programming study for the meeting space in the yucca district this project can be found on page 98 of your binder and this project is development impact fee funded this slide is a pie chart of the 10-year cip by project type as you can see the total draft 10-year cip is about 1.3 billion the largest component by project type are is the streets projects the second largest is water projects and the third largest is facility maintenance project this slide is also a pie chart of the 10-year cip by funding source same information but presented by funding source by funding source the largest component is enterprise funds which consist of landfill solid waste water and wastewater the second largest is geo bonds or general obligation bonds funded projects and the third largest is pay as you go or cash funded capital projects the next two slides are the pie charts on the one year draft cip so this information is only for fiscal year 2022 again this pie chart is by project type the total draft fiscal year 22 cip is 289 million the largest component is facility maintenance projects the second largest component is streets projects and the third largest component is water projects this slide is a pie chart of the fiscal year 22 or the one-year draft cip by funding source the same information as the last slide by but presented by funding source the largest component is enterprise funds capital projects the second largest is pay as you go and the third largest is general obligation bond funded project vice mayor members of the council just as a reminder we present that information because when council adopts the budget while you're adopting a draft 10-year cip or a 10-year cip only that first year next year will be appropriated to actually be spent and with that i'll turn over the presentation to ms lindsay good morning vice mayor members of the council the first slide that you see here is a summary of airport projects airport projects begin on page five of the cip binder that you received last week this includes all projects within the airport project type and what i'd one thing i'd like to mention about all the slides that you're going to see with regards to the the projects in the cip the carryover dollar amount could potentially change when you see the total budget on april 20th departments are still working through the carryover calculation process and some of those dollar amounts may be expended before the june 30th of the current year so those dollar amounts may decrease the total fiscal year 22 for the airport projects is approximately 7.7 million and unless council has any questions about any of the projects on these two slides we'll move forward to the arts program the arts program can be found on page 25 of your cip binder the total amount for fiscal year 22 for arts projects is about 1.2 million there's one project within this particular project type and unless there are any questions about art projects we can continue on to other funding or other project types the next project type are the drainage projects which can be found on page 29 of your cip binder the fiscal year 22 total including carryover is approximately 4.4 million and as a reminder additional voter authorization is required for drainage projects beginning in fiscal year 25 and there will be a council item of special interest where we're discussing the bond election on april 27th so we'll go through a lot of that information at that particular time and if there aren't any questions about drainage we can move on to the next project type this next slide demonstrates changes within the facility maintenance project project type these items can be found on page 30 that will begin on page 37 of your cip binder the first item that's on this list is the glendale operations campus the the total project has decreased by approximately 9.7 million there's 4.8 million that came out of fiscal year 22 and 3.1 in fiscal year 23 went up by 3.1 excuse me went down by 2.7 in fiscal year 24 down also by 2.6 million in fiscal year 25 and decreased by 2.7 million in fiscal year 26. that project can be found on page 40 of your cip binder the next change that's listed on this slide is the addition of the general government capital project which is located on page 58 of your binder and this is the placeholder project that ms camacho mentioned earlier that's a placeholder for one-time revenues that we've received that can be used for capital projects a second council member tom and chad thank you vice mayor um so the this is is this the american recovery funding anticipated amount or what what is this what is this money uh vice mayor council member thomas yes that's correct okay um if i could vice mayor um i'd like to have um staff walk us through the the i know there's a lot of um parameters and requirements not right now but i mean at a future workshop to give us an outline of um at least what i've seen so far is the monies to be used for water infrastructure um homeless uh covered relief that type of thing so before any any plans are made for this money i'd like to have somebody bring to a workshop uh and present to us because i thought it was 60 million or 61 million this is more money than i thought we were getting and then kind of walk us through the guidelines that the federal government has issued for what this money can and cannot be used for vice mayor members of the council that's the reason why we put it in as a place holder and it is around 60 million the additional funding is the uh proceeds from the sale of glenn lakes and so that is the plan is to sit down with council in a workshop talk through sort of what um the funds can be used for and that type of thing that's why it's sitting there sort of as a placeholder until we have an opportunity to go through that with the council vice mayor if i could i guess my point is and no no i'm not trying to offend anybody um but my point is rather than bringing us i mean i know you guys went to a lot of trouble and did a lot of work last time when we got federal funding and basically brought us a list of projects but before we get to that point i'd like for the council to actually have an opportunity to share some visions and objectives maybe that we'd like to do with the money and also to understand the parameters for what the money can be used for before we get to the point of being brought a list of projects that's what i'm requesting whether there's a consensus to do it that way or not i don't know but thank you welcome councilmember all diamond thank you vice mayor um i just heard something that i wasn't aware of and so uh pardon me if i was just not paying attention back when that decision was made but i kind of felt myself my heart racing a little bit we're using uh funds from the sales of of of glen lakes for these for these projects and when was that decided that's what i just heard again mayor or vice mayor members of the council this is just a large placeholder in order to spend any of the funds so any of the funds from glen lakes and any of the funds from that american recovery act we have to have budget appropriation so we put a placeholder amount in a project it will be determined later what all of those funds go for through a process with the city council so it's simply here to have the necessary appropriations so that when we've decided or you've decided what we what the city is to spend it on it will be able to be spent uh on those things thank you um vicki i i didn't realize that and i hear what you're saying it's it's a parking lot fund for that money but this council should know that and we're hearing it today but i didn't realize that was going to happen i hear what you're saying you're putting money in the bank and it's a parking lot until we decide but we should know that that money is going into that parking lot i i was not aware maybe the council was mr vice mayor uh members of council councilman aldamus so there's been a lot going on obviously since this but when we came back last fall and we outlined the approximately 27 million dollars that we felt that the first round of covet funding was available we did we did indicate to the council that we were expecting to close in december on glen lakes and so really this is just kind of now acknowledging uh that amount we did close i think around december 10th on that but we'd already had dealt with the the you know kind of the increased projects not including in that amount of money so this is just saying look at in the day if you want to put it back towards parks you want to put it towards whatever priority put it back into fund balance there's a placeholder here for expenditure authority but until you until the council identifies their priorities it would just stay there vice mayor if i may um thank you for that so i recall a meeting with yourself members of your budget team and i believe the vice mayor and i were there because it affected our our district community centers and you laid out just a great plan on where funding was going to go and which projects we were going to have and at the end of the meeting i knew that you didn't include the dollars for glen lakes from that sale it was a surprise to you that we had not included that money the money was still in escrow and it had not cleared yet and in that meeting i asked where are those funds going to go most likely to parks and recreation now i'm here and they're in a parking lot i'm not i'm not hearing that we're going to use it for these but but it's a parking lot so i think we need to have a robust conversation about the sale of glenn lakes when when um so period i didn't realize was gonna be in a parking lot we decided later i thought it was gonna be that pot of money and we would decide that part of money from the sale okay yep mr vice mayor members of council councilman so the the park projects that were identified last fall did not include that funding amount um probably what i was trying to indicate in our conversation was you know based on the last several years of discussion from the parks i know you are uh with the council i know the parks have been a high priority and that i i think i was trying to indicate it's likely that's where that money would go but ultimately it really is the the decision of the council thank you thank you vice mayor vice mayor councilmember clark i would just like to comment on this discussion several weeks ago we learned that we would be receiving additional dollar amounts from the federal government i quite frankly have no problem with as council member al dama said putting it in a parking lot and with regard to the sale of glenn lakes we knew that eventually we would see the proceeds from that and that too has not been determined as to what it will be used for in in our final deliberations the parking of money no matter under which project it goes is still the parking of money and and i for one was aware that this money was coming and i would assume that the rest of council knew that the money was coming we just might not have known the exact dollar amounts i don't see this being handled any differently than any other large sum of money that we have received through the feds so i'm comfortable with it being here i'm comfortable with making a decision later on i understand the objective and i i would not expect staff to have presented us any other detailed information at this point thank you welcome council member tommy chop thank you vice mayor um i just want to kind of before we move on from this um and i totally understand the placeholder if it's there's no appropriation we don't we're gonna we would end up scrambling like we were last time trying to find money to move out of fund balance and so we can spend some of this money um and i know there's and there's a lot of need in the community for for a lot of this money still so i totally understand that and i'm not questioning it but i wanted to know whether there's a consensus from my colleagues on having a discussion about that you know what is this funding eligible for um and and really talking through you know our our vision for what this money should go to for the better of our community before it's kind of divvied up and then brought to us to a workshop so i wanted to know if there was a consensus to at least have a workshop on this american recovery plan i think funding before it's kind of you know divvied up and brought back to a workshop vice mayor yes councilmember turner i would concur on that and i'd like to see if there's a consensus i think it's i realize sometimes everything happens in one meeting it's always uncomfortable to me when it does but i think it would be wise for us to first have a discussion about the concepts and then we later have a discussion about the projects and that gives us time to be thinking about what we might uh prior how we might prioritize the the money as it comes to us thank you welcome councilmember clark thank you vice mayor uh i assumed that that would occur i don't think we need to call for a special meeting i i assume that when this money is ready to be spent that that it would come before council with a discussion by council of prioritization and where they would like to see the money spent so i respect council member tomachoff but i think she's asking for something that we're going to get anyhow thank you thank you welcome go ahead councilman thank you vice mayor i'm not i'm not talking about having a discussion about specific projects i'm talking about letting us understand what the federal guidelines are for the money i don't i don't know what they are i don't know whether even we've been told what they are yet specifically there's there's guidelines for sp for how this money's to be spent i know that um and that just a vision for us like where what type of things would we like to accomplish with this not saying here's a list and then saying here staff here's our vision for what we'd like this money to accomplish in the community and then let them let them you know make something out of that so i'm not saying i want to say you know here's what i want i want you know abcd that's not what i'm talking about i'm just saying we there's it's a lot of money we can do a lot of things in the community with the money so as a group we have an opportunity to have a conversation about our vision for how this money would be the best way to spend this money for the community um and then let then let staff get to work on on figuring out you know the detail part of that that's all i'm talking about i'm talking big picture for us and then giving them sort of an idea of where we're at what we'd like to see happen in the community and then and then and then they can you know get to work on that so just wanted to clarify what i'm talking about go ahead and proceed please as i mentioned earlier the facilities maintenance projects begin on page 37 of your cip binders general obligation bond funded government facilities projects will require additional voter authorization beginning in fiscal year 25. and unless there are any specific questions on facility maintenance projects we can move on one thing i'd like to mention also about the facility maintenance projects is the fiscal year 22 total including carryover is approximately 78.5 million dollars the finance projects begin on page 65 of your cip binders uh the one project that's in here is the general fund project cont or general fund project contingency project which is for the az cares fund projects that we've been discussing a little bit previously excuse me and the fiscal year total including carryover in this fund is approximately 1.5 million dollars the landfill projects begin on page 69 of your cip binders there will be the need for additional voter authorization in order to complete the north cell liner project and unless there are any questions on landfill the total for fiscal year 22 including carryover is approximately 16.4 million the next slide that you'll see is changes within the library project uh program we've added a project that's on page 93 of your csip binder excuse me again to the landfill you said there's going to be a voter authorization required for the north cell yes that's correct when would that happen members of the council year 22 i would think we'd have to go after a bond yes mayor vice mayor members of the council that's correct the earliest that we could well we could go out for an election um in uh 2022 um and so we are yes so we do have a plan later i think sometime in april or may um to come back to council to lay out uh another plan for the next bond election and and formation of the bond committee and that type of things in anticipation of doing a another election in 2022. so you would ask for an election in 2022 okay thank you councilmember uh since uh councilmember milner brought that up so on the north cell do we have the 7.7 million dollars and we're able to move forward i mean through through 2022 um and then i then there's a this little bit of money and then there's more money in 2026 so we're funded through 2025 with where we are right now uh vice mayor council member thomas that's correct we would not need additional voter authorization until fiscal year 25. so the the project that was added to the library program is on page 93 of your binder there was 25 000 that was added for a meeting space needs study in the yucca district and that project is funded with library development impact fees the next slide shows all the projects that are within the library program fiscal year 22 including carryover is 250 000 and additional general obligation bond voter authorization would be required to complete projects beginning in fiscal year 26. vice mayor councilmember clark i have a curious question we're were indicating all of this carryover what if all the carryover is not spent by july 1 what happens to it is it carried over for another year or does it get absorbed somewhere vice mayor councilmember clark it does get carried over and it stays appropriated within the same project thank you the next program are the parking lot projects as you can see on this slide there are no projects included in fiscal year 22 the first project is actually in fiscal year 26. so unless there's any particular questions on that program we can move on to parks the parks projects begin on page 103 of your cip binder the programmed projects in the cip will require additional voter authorization beginning in fiscal year 26. there are several slides that include parks projects there's about six of them the total for fiscal year 22 including carryover is 21.2 million dollars and unless anyone has specific projects about parks we can continue through the program council member tom chou thank you vice mayor um i do have a question because i didn't see it on this the change summary but the amphitheater renovations in the new binder are still showing under parks and i don't i know there was some discussion about moving that over to cultural facilities and moving that up um freeing up the money for parks in the you know in fiscal year 2026 or sooner if that ends up working out um and there's there's there's not a there isn't anything for cultural facilities but i thought we had had uh i know we had a robust discussion about moving that parks the amphitheater funding out of parks and also about moving it up that because the funding for city hall waiting for city hall we haven't identified a funding source for city hall to combine that with the city hall renovations but we have identified a funding source to move forward with the amphitheater so um you know the city with the city hall where is this city hall there's really no money available for city hall until you know several years out at least at this time but we we have a funding source now for the amphitheater so i wanted to have a discussion about that that i'd like to see that moved up i thought that's what we had talked about and go ahead and move forward with the amphitheater and then figure out a funding source for city hall later on ice mayor well kevin you had something to say mr i'm just going to answer the question so vice mayor members of the council uh again the discussion was around the the ability to use uh the funding for there which we did come back and say it can be used one time we haven't had a specific instruction by the council to accelerate my recommendation would be is we're going to be having some discussions with the council here uh this spring regarding the the city hall renovations and i think that would be an appropriate time to tie that in because you may want to decide to align your timing of the amphitheater if the council chooses to move forward with a a significant renovation of the city hall otherwise if you want us to move it further forward as an independent project that just takes the council direction to do that mayor bullock council member clark i i concur with council member thomas we did have a discussion about this we did seek ways of moving this project up we did talk about seeking funding through the cultural facilities cultural facilities appropriation i i still believe that the sentiment on this council is to see the amphitheater not necessarily be tied to a total package on city hall renovation because as council member thomas indicated that could be several years out whereas a renovation of the amphitheater as soon as possible will most definitely impact downtown and that is important to all of us so um i support uh council member tomachoff and her um assessment from our previous meetings vice mayor well councilmember tomczak thank you vice mayor um the the the idea of moving city hall the renovation of city hall up has i think is tied to these uh american recovery uh funds and and you know i don't i don't know if that's the council's vision for what to do with that money so you we were told at the beginning of this meeting you're looking for a consensus from us on the cip and in order so we need to decide that now uh you know and we can i guess change our mind later but if we don't put it in here then then we approve the cip without it um and i i believe as councilmember clark and i believe all of us believe that downtown doesn't have a few more years to wait we need to we need to act now on moving forward i know we're going to have the visioning retreat on friday but we were told that basically you're looking for our consensus on the cip um and we did have a discussion about moving it up and and moving it into cultural facilities so i'd like to see that i think it's the right thing to do for downtown um and you know if if we end up tying it to city hall later on down the road this doesn't prevent us from doing that what we would be doing today would literally not have any effect if we decide to spend that money um you know if that's what the council decides to do to spend that money on the renovation of city hall and tying the amphitheater into it moving this uh culture facilities up to fiscal year 2022 and 2023 and would have wouldn't change anything anyway but if we don't do it and we end up not using doing city hall and city halls a few years out then we don't have a funding source for the amphitheater so that's my point councilmember aldama thank you vice mayor um yes i too uh clearly remember a discussion with regard to the funding for the amphitheater i remember myself mentioned it tied to the city building but then i was told that the building was so far out that project that it would take years for them to to be built together so i too support uh moving the amphitheater up it is it's a crucial crucial piece for downtown but i think i've i've heard kevin in a few meetings he's got some plans for doing that but um if it's in here that it's going to be postponed for later then we need to move it up so i agree with the two council members then i have a i have a question with regard to heroes park lake um in the carryover there's 1.2 and then in 22 there's 4.2 is the carry over just for planning and designing can you can you tell me what that's going for and then will the 4.2 complete the lake vice mayor councilmember aldama the contract for that has already been approved by council and we should have a notice to proceed and starting at the end of april so the money that you see in carryover is going to be used this year and that'll complete the part it'll be a done deal throw fishing rods in there we're good to go yes including the fy 22 yes correct thank you all right smear members of the council so yeah this would be the appropriate time to change this if the council wants to move things up on the on the amphitheater remember that the that we really haven't scoped this out since the initial concept back in 2017. um so my suggestion would be is that what we have to begin would be starting in the next physical year would be to start bringing on board a design team and start looking at the engineering and the design elements so we can come up with a better baseline budget we could we can work with facilities and work with mr freeland to come back and maybe propose putting a portion in the fy 22 that would allow us to engage with the design and kind of the next step of actually making this a project we can certainly do that that would just be a change that we can do accelerate and and when you vote on your final budget there may be one other modification we can certainly do that sound like that's what the consensus the council now is do is to try to get the amphitheater project uh moving you know hopefully start actually becoming a project in fy 22 we can make that happen council member tom and john thank you vice mayor i have a question about the thunderbird park improvements there's 320 000 in carryover i just had heard from another resident yesterday who took a spill because the of the the the condition of the trail i don't even hike there anymore because it's too slippery is that even an eligible thing for trail grooming i know i asked for it would that be more of a conversation to have during the regular just budget discussions for i don't know whether trail grooming i ask for it every year whether that's eligible for cip i know that's part of the plan but um you know the erosion and the ren and the rocks just there's more and more and more rocks on the trail loose rock and it does make it more dangerous uh vice mayor members of the council i believe mr burke is here and may be able to answer your question but in general we would not use bond funding for uh and capital funding for regular trail maintenance now if there's there are some exceptions and and so every time that we do something we kind of have to look at it independently and determine does it rise to the level of capital or not um but i'll i'll let mr burke weigh in further here good morning vice mayor members of the council if i understand the question it was or thunderbird park will be using the carryover this year yes our plan we're working on a contract right now a linking agreement hopefully bringing it to council in the near term to get there it'd be a renovation of those trails out there not just a grooming and we'll do as many as we can with the dollar amounts available okay if i could vice mayor i thought there was a million dollars available in the cip in a previous cip i don't i didn't bring my other book with me but i thought it was in 2023 there was a million dollars and then i think in 20 there was a million and then four million and then in the la in the fl and the five five plus years out there was another it was a total of 11 million in the cip uh what page is that on mayor vice mayor remembers the council if you'll give us a minute we'll we'll look for that i'm if i could vice mayor i'm looking at page 103 and it shows in fiscal year 2022 a million dollars and then in fiscal year 20 23 4 million dollars that's what i thought and i don't even see the 320 000 and carryover which but that's all i see in this slide so vice mayor members of the council it's on slide 24. vice mayor members of the council it's also projected on the screen it's about middle of the bottom of the page slide 24. i can't see i can't see it's the third one up from the bottom on the slide that's being shown and it's on page 24 of your slides okay they're they're just different project numbers is that why correct okay all right well that's good news then thank you thank you mr burke appreciate it vice mayor councilmember turner before mr burke leaves just in case we need him but perhaps mr freedline can handle this on slide 26 um fourth one up from the bottom sawyer wrench park fence painting still listed at 57 000. i thought we bumped it to 75 000. vice mayor members of council yes at the last workshop we did talk about elevating that and using the cares money to make that difference and that project is i believe underway does that need to be changed in this document uh vice mayor members of the council that'll be part of the carryover adjustments that occur prior to the end of the fiscal year so you'll see that adjustment on april 20th okay thank you for fiscal year 22 including carryover the parks program has approximately 21.2 million dollars and unless there are any more questions we can move on to public safety one thing i'd like to add about the parks program is the additional need for voter authorization actually is going to be needed in fiscal year 23 and start up fiscal year 25 so i need to correct my previous statement on that the public safety projects are on page 59 of your cip binder the public safety general obligation bond program has enough existing voter authorization for the entire program so no additional voter authorization is required for fiscal year 22 including carryover there's approximately 8.2 million dollars in projects and unless there are any questions we can move on to the next program the next slide demonstrates changes that occurred within the solid waste program the first project is the solid waste software process improvement which originally was on page 179 of your old cip binder but now is on page 183 that project had its total dollar amount decreased by a hundred thousand dollars in fiscal year twenty two the next project is the front load commercial trucks uh that project was reduced by approximately forty nine thousand dollars in fiscal year twenty two the next project is the side load residential trucks that project was also reduced by approximately one point three million in fiscal year twenty two and the fourth and final project that had to change is the bulk trash equipment for residential and that project was reduced by 682 000 in fiscal year 22 and increased by 422 000 in fiscal year twenty four for a total decrease of two hundred and sixty thousand dollars the solid waste projects are on page 181 of your cip binders and the fiscal year 22 amount including carryover is approximately 2.3 million and if there aren't any questions we can move on to streets uh this there are three projects that changed within the streets program the first was the 77 67th and thunderbird intersection improvement project that project was removed from the program for a total reduction of 3.2 million dollars and the next two projects street reconstruction on 75th avenue glendale to northern and street reconstruction 83rd avenue from glendale to northern those two projects were switched so the the appropriation was reduced in fiscal year 23 and then increased in fiscal year 25 for 75th avenue glendale to northern and then 83rd avenue glendale to northern it was added in 23 and reduced in 25. mayor yes councilmember clark this is a technical question that you may not be able to answer but mr freedline may be able to answer now that we've finally moved up 83rd between northern and glendale which is a mess will it be done or can it be done prior to the super bowl because 83rd avenue is a major reliever for 91st avenue and we get a lot of traffic coming down from northern or north from camelback um is right now it occurs during footballers or major special events we see an overabundance of traffic on 83rd so my question is what kind of schedule do we have and can we anticipate that road being completed prior to the super bowl vice mayor council member clark speech program the way you see it today under general obligation bonds is financed through fy22 anything past that needs voter authorization if a voter authorization happened perhaps in the fall of 22 i would have to sit with our engineering department to look at a time frame for sure it's programmed to be designed shelf ready if you will but the 3.3 million dollars that's programmed in fy 23 still would need voter authorization okay thank you the streets program is on page 191 of your cip binders as mr freedline mentioned additional voter authorization is required for general obligation bond-funded streets projects in fiscal year 23. there are six slides of streets projects the total for fiscal year 22 including carryover is approximately 63.2 million moving on to the transit program the transit program begins on page 257 of your cip binder the fy 22 amount including carryover is approximately 1.5 million the wastewater program begins on page 263 of your cip binder and the fiscal year 22 amount including carryover is approximately 32 million and if there are no questions about wastewater we'll move on to the water projects those begin on page 287 of your cip binder there's four slides of water projects within the within the presentation and the fiscal year 22 amount including carryover is approximately 50.3 million vice mayor council member clark i i just want to confirm that uh there is enough oh let me put it this way the projects listed in this slide cip um there is enough authorization well you don't yeah well you need a little bit of authorization but i guess a better question would be they can be satisfied under the current rate structure is that correct uh vice mayor members of the council um the the water utility is funded through fiscal year 22. there is a rate study ongoing right now and so we're going to be coming back to council with some recommendations coming out out of that study for uh the future but there was a rate uh increase in january of this year which should fund us through 22 as my understanding right so anything beyond fiscal year 22 would require a rate increase vice mayor members of the council that's correct it it's likely to require one that that is correct that's what we had anticipated during the last rate study is that there would be the need for additional uh we are um as council sort of directed us at that time and as we did the public outreach trying to get to more of a steady state where you're seeing only inflationary type of rate increases every year that will come out of this study that is ongoing now and be presented to council in the future council remember thomas thank you vice mayor um so when i just wanted to uh verify that when we do look at the rate study um we also are we can look and see like how much would the the rate increase generate and could that be satisfied by possibly if it's eligible repaying the enterprise funds from the money that was uh sent to the nhl because it's my we're paying basically the the general fund is paying interest where i mean it's costing it's costing money and i don't know what the interest rate is or what the dollar amount is but it's it's several million dollars and even at a low interest rate and you know interest is an extra expense that by carrying the balance in the enterprise fund um is costing it's costing more money to carry the balance i guess is what i want to say so i just want to want to be able to understand that that that hopefully will be an option and that we can look at whether we do or don't do that i don't know what the consensus is going to be i know that there was i think the biggest amount of money taken from the enterprise fund was from water if i remember right i wasn't on the council at the time but i i think that it was so i just want to make sure that we have all the information before we make a decision on it when the when we do have the right discussion thank you this slide is a recap of the presentation again this is our fifth budget workshop and capital improvement plan and we did have the two new projects that were added to the 10-year cip we have consensus on accelerating the um the amphitheater um we'll make those changes in the draft tentative cip for council adoption we have included a placeholder funding for capital projects that will be funded by the one-time revenues and at this time we'd like to to see if we have council consensus on the changes the three changes to two new projects accelerating the amphitheater and then the 10-year cip iceman yes you have my consensus but i wanted to take a moment to thank you publicly for your hard work on putting this budget together i know that it's not easy every year we go through the drafts the draft of the budget and there are changes and i know it has you scrambling to reproduce those changes and make sure that they get to us i think your idea of presenting an interactive cip chart was brilliant but the problem was at least for me i didn't have time to schedule a study session to learn how to use it i think that it would be beneficial in future years and perhaps if if we had time other than during budget season to um review how to use that material that would be helpful and and so perhaps you would consider just scheduling meetings with each of the council members to give us a tutorial on that but i do know that budget season is difficult for you all i do recognize and appreciate your hard work in putting it together and presenting it to us i know it's not easy and we appreciate the effort thank you he wants to have consensus on the items like we do thank you our next budget workshop will be on april 6th we'll change course and start discussing the operating budget on the sixth we will be going through the operating budgets for the city court engineering budget and finance non-departmental transportation the city manager's office code compliance field operations city clerk's office human resources and innovation and technology and community services and with that that concludes our presentation thank you council members any further questions or comments if not we're adjourned thank you you