. >> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE THURSDAY, JUNE 5TH, 2025 MEETING OF THE BLOOMINGTON PLANNING COMMISSION. I WILL OFFICIALLY CALL OUR MEETING TO ORDER. THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS MADE UP OF SEVEN VOLUNTEER MEMBERS ALL APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. WE HAVE FIVE HERE THIS EVENING FOR MOST ITEMS. THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAKES A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY COUNCIL HAS FINAL DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY FOR SOME ITEMS. THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE A DECISION THAT IS THAT HAS ABILITY TO BE APPEALED IF NECESSARY. >> OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS THIS EVENING IS THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. PLEASE RISE IF YOU'RE ABLE. PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT SAYS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALL RIGHTY. ITEM ONE THIS EVENING DOES HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. IT IS CASE PL2025-52. IT'S A CITY CODE AMENDMENT. A SIGN CODE LOOK BACK ORDINANCE IN THE PART TWO OF THAT ORDINANCE AND MR. JOHNSON YOU HAVE THE STAFF REPORT. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR COMMISSIONERS. GOOD TO BE WITH YOU THIS EVENING WILL COVER SOME GROUND THAT WE'VE COVERED ONCE BEFORE AND A LITTLE MORE DEPTH PERHAPS JUST A PRESENTATION AND SLIDE. TALK ABOUT WHAT BROUGHT US BACK HERE AND AN OVERVIEW OF THE ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND RECOMMENDATION AND THEN PRESENTS THIS RECOMMENDATION. SO AS YOU KNOW, THE NEW THE CITY'S NEW SIGN CODE WAS ADOPTED IN FEBRUARY OF 2024. AS PART OF THAT PROCESS WE COMMITTED TO DO A ONE YEAR REVIEW. IT IS A LISTED PROJECT ON THE 2025 PLANNING COMMISSION WORK PLAN AND SO WE BROUGHT THAT THROUGH YOUR BODY TWICE ONCE IN THE FORM OF A STUDY SESSION, ONCE IN THE LIVE ORDINANCE WHICH WE HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON. WE THEN MOVED ON TO THE CITY COUNCIL PUBLIC HEARING WHERE THEY ADOPTED THE ORDINANCE ON APRIL THE 28TH 2025. AS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION BOTH RESPONDING TO PUBLIC CORRESPONDENCE AND PARTICIPATION IN THE TESTIMONY BUT ALSO JUST THROUGH THEIR OWN DELIBERATIONS THEY ASKED TO BRING BACK A SUBSEQUENT ORDINANCE WITH TWO ADDITIONAL UPDATES TO THE SAME CODE. WE DIDN'T NOTICE THE ORDINANCE AS SUCH SO THAT'S WHY IT HAS TO COME BACK THROUGH A SEPARATE PROCESS. BUT YEAH, THEY REQUESTED THAT WE LOOK AT ELECTRONIC SIGN TO ALL TIME AND THE NUMBER OF BUILDING SIGNS AT THE TOP OF TALL BUILDINGS SO I'LL PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT THIS ORDINANCE DOES AND TRY AND DESCRIBE THOSE ISSUES IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DEPTH. SO WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING. SHOULD YOU MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THIS EVENING? IT'S ANTICIPATED THIS WILL GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL AT THE END OF JUNE JUNE THE 30TH. SO THE FIRST ISSUE WE'LL TALK ABOUT IS TALL BUILDING SIGNS AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE STUDY SESSION IN JANUARY BUT RIGHT NOW THE CITY CODE LIMITS THE NUMBER OF BUILDING SIGNS ABOVE THE SECOND STORY OF BUILDING SEVEN STOREYS OR TALLER TO ONE SIGN PER ELEVATION. SO THINKING THROUGH WHY REGULATE YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF SIGNS ON TALLER BUILDINGS, SIGNS THAT ARE ON TALLER BUILDINGS HAVE A PROPORTIONALLY HIGHER IMPACT ON THE VISUAL LANDSCAPE OF THE COMMUNITY. SO THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF THE PRIMARY REASON BEHIND IT IS JUST TO DEAL WITH THAT VISUAL CLUTTER AND THERE'S THE LANGUAGE IN CODE THAT CURRENTLY HIGHLIGHTS THAT. SO THIS IS IN THE SECTION OF THE CODE THAT'S THE BUILDING SCIENCE STANDARDS. THESE THESE PARTICULAR STANDARDS ARE SPECIAL BUILDINGS SIGN PROVISIONS. SO IT'S REGARDLESS OF SIGN DISTRICT THAT YOU'RE IN THIS IS KIND OF A UNIQUE SET OF STANDARDS THAT ARE APPLICABLE ONLY TO THESE SITES WHAT THE ORDINANCE WOULD DO IS INCREASE THE NUMBER OF SIGNS THAT ARE ALLOWED PER BUILDING ELEVATION FROM 1 TO 3 SIGNS. THERE ARE SOME DISCUSSION IN COUNCIL 2 OR 3 THE MEMBERS ARE INTERESTED IN THIS ITEM DIRECTED THREE AS PART OF THE CONSIDERATION BUT THAT'S WHAT'S REFLECTED THE HIGHLIGHTED LANGUAGE. THERE IS THAT SIMPLE CHANGE FROM 1 TO 3 IS WHAT'S REFLECTED IN THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU. JUST TO NOTE THAT THE SIZE THE OVERALL AMOUNT OF SIGNAGE THAT YOU GET WOULD NOT INCREASE WITH THIS CHANGE. BUILDINGS WOULD STILL BE KIND OF DECIDING HOW TO ALLOCATE THEIR BUDGET OF OVERALL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF SIGN AREA. THIS JUST SIMPLY ALLOWS THEM TO ADD TO THE NUMBER OF SIGNS IN TERMS OF HOW THEY UTILIZE THAT SIGN AREA. SO WHY WHY EXPAND THIS LIMIT? THERE'S A COUPLE OF REASONS WHY I THINK FOR MOST TALLER BUILDINGS ONE SIGN FOR BUILDING ELEVATION WORKS FAIRLY WELL LOOKS GOOD, IT'S CLEAN. LOOK, SOME OF THE REASONS WHY TO POTENTIALLY EXPAND IT IS THAT WE DO HAVE SOME TALLER BUILDINGS IN BLOOMINGTON OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT HAVE MORE UNIQUE SHAPES. THEY'RE NOT JUST A TYPICAL TOWER KIND OF RECTANGULAR TOWER FOOTPRINT AND ON THOSE PARTICULAR BUILDINGS THERE IS OPPORTUNITIES TO ADD SIGNAGE IN SUCH A WAY THAT DOESN'T KIND OF ADD TO THAT VISUAL CLUTTER IN IN STAFF'S VIEW OF A DISPROPORTIONATE OR BAD WAY. SO THAT'S ONE REASON. THE OTHER REASON BEING IS THAT OF COURSE OFFICE BUILDINGS VERY FEW OFFICE BUILDINGS ARE SINGLE TENANT BUILDINGS. THERE'S USUALLY A COLLECTION OF DIFFERENT TENANTS LOCATED WITHIN A BUILDING AND SO CERTAINLY IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD A FEW TENANTS SHOW EXPRESS INTEREST IN WANTING TO ADD SIGNAGE TO REFLECT IF THEY HAVE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT OCCUPANCY IN THE BUILDING. THE PROPERTY OWNER IN SOME CASES IS SUPPORTIVE OF THAT IN MANY CASES ALSO NOT SO THERE IS A PRIVATE DECISION THAT'S BEING MADE BEHIND THE SCENES TO OF COURSE FOR ANCHOR TENANTS BUT THAT BEING SAID THERE THERE IS THE POTENTIAL TO ADD MORE LOGOS OR COMMERCIAL SPEECH FOR ADDITIONAL TENANTS WITHIN THE BUILDING RIGHT NOW OF COURSE IT'S LIMITED TO A SINGLE TENANT IF IT IS A MULTI-TENANT BUILDING. SO IN TERMS OF WHY TO POTENTIALLY MAKE THIS CHANGE, THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I WOULD POINT YOU TO AS THE TWO PRIMARY REASONS. ONE IS JUST THAT YOU HAVE SOME UNIQUE SHAPED BUILDINGS THAT CURRENTLY IT FITS OKAY WORKS WELL THE OTHER BEING JUST THE POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHER TENANTS TO GET SIGNAGE ON THE TALLER PORTION OF THE BUILDING. SO GETTING MOVING ON TO THE ELECTRONIC SIGN DWELL TIME ISSUE HERE HERE WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON ELECTRONIC SIGNS AND ALSO ELECTRONIC BILLBOARDS. WE HAVE THE SAME DWELL TIME PROVISION APPLICABLE TO BOTH TYPES OF SIGNS IN THE SIGN CODE. SO IN TERMS OF WHAT IS A DWELL TIME, MOST FOLKS DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT TERM MEANS SO WE'LL DEFINE IT FOR FOR FOLKS ON THE ZONING DEFINITION IS JUST THE TIME THAT ELAPSES BETWEEN CHANGES IN THE TEXT IMAGES OR GRAPHICS ON ELECTRONIC SIGN DISPLAY WE PUT IN A VIDEO HERE OF OUR ELECTRONIC SIGN OUTSIDE CIVIC PLAZA. IT ACTUALLY DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT WHEN YOU'RE IT'S STANDING RIGHT UP CLOSE TO THE SIGN. YOU KIND OF SEE THAT PIXELATE THAT PIXEL IZATION OR THAT GRANULARITY IN TERMS OF THAT MOVEMENT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT FROM FAR AWAY BUT IN TERMS OF WHAT DWELL TIME IS, IT BASICALLY REQUIRES THE IMAGE TO BE STATIC AND IT MUST REMAIN FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME BEFORE IT CAN TRANSITION TO ANOTHER MESSAGE. SO CIVIC PLAZA, FOR EXAMPLE, RUNS THE ART CENTER, RUNS THEIR ELECTRONIC SIGN AT A DWELL TIME OF EIGHT SECONDS THAT'S CURRENTLY ALLOWED BECAUSE IT'S A MORE LIMITED SPEECH MESSAGE AS OPPOSED TO UTILIZING GRAPHICS OR MORE LONGER MESSAGES. BUT IN TERMS OF WHAT DWELL TIME IS, IT'S JUST THE AMOUNT OF TIME THE SIGN HAS TO STAY STATIC AND CAN'T CHANGE TO THE NEXT MESSAGE OR SPEECH EFFECTIVELY. SO WHY DO WE REGULATE THIS? WHY DO WE GET INTO REQUIRING THE IMAGE TO BE STATIC A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME? THERE'S TWO PRIMARY REASONS FOR THAT. ONE IS TRAFFIC SAFETY AND ONE IS ESTHETICS AND KIND OF THE ENVIRONMENT YOU'RE TRYING TO CREATE WITHIN YOUR COMMUNITY FROM A TRAFFIC SAFETY STANDPOINT. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF STUDY AROUND DWELL TIMES WHAT IS THE IDEAL DWELL TIME? THERE'S SO MUCH LITERATURE ON THE TOPIC THAT I THINK YOU COULD SPEND YOUR WHOLE SUMMER VACATION READING ABOUT IT. MANY DIFFERENT STUDIES. THE STAFF REPORT LISTED THREE MORE PROMINENT ONES ONE IS KIND OF MORE OF A SYNOPSIS BUT I THINK IT'S JUST THE NATURE OF THE ISSUE THAT THE ACADEMIC OR SCHOLARLY COMMUNITY HASN'T LANDED ON ONE SINGLE STANDARD THAT THEY VIEW AS EFFECTIVELY SAFE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS THROUGH THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION. THEY DO ENDORSE OR THEY DO ALLOW A DWELL TIME A MINIMUM DWELL TIME OF EIGHT SECONDS. THE STATE OF MINNESOTA FOLLOWS THAT SAME STANDARD. THERE'S A LOT OF COMMUNITIES THAT DON'T FOLLOW THAT STANDARD AND THERE IS LOCAL CONTROL OVER THIS ISSUE WITH WITH SCIENCE. SO I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT VERY MUCH. BUT WHEN LOOKING AT THE ISSUE AND OF COURSE YOU KNOW THERE IS ENGINEERING STAFF ON THE CALL IF YOU WANT TO REFER TO THEM AS WELL. BUT LOOKING AT THE PARTICULAR ISSUE, YOU KNOW STUDIES DO FIND CORRELATION BETWEEN THE SIZE OR LENGTH OF MESSAGES, THE TYPES OF MESSAGES CERTAIN DRIVERS ARE MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO DRIVER DISTRACTION. I THINK THERE IS SOME CORRELATION AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE BUT I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF STUDIES THAT DO SHOW THAT THERE IS AN APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF SAFETY AT THESE LOWER TO ALL TIMES. THERE'S ALSO RESEARCH OR PAPERS THAT HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED THAT URGE OR YOU KNOW, WOULD ADVOCATE FOR LONGER DWELL TIMES. SO IT'S NOT I GUESS I JUST WOULD PUT IT IN THE CATEGORY OF I DON'T THINK IT'S A IT DEPENDS ON WHO YOU ASK AND IT'S NOT A FULLY SETTLED MATTER. THE THING I WOULD SAY IS AGAIN JUST REITERATING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND STATE GOVERNMENTS POSITION ON IT AND THE SECOND REASON THAT PEOPLE THAT CITIES REGULATE ELECTRONIC SIGNS IS THAT THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF TRANSITIONS OR CHANGES OR SIZE OF THESE SIGNS. THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY REGULATE BUT THAT THEY HAVE A EITHER A NEGATIVE OR AN OVERLY COMMERCIALIZED ESTHETIC OR VISUAL OR IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY DO NOT SUPPORT. AND SO THERE ARE SOME COMMUNITIES THAT TRY AND GREATLY LIMIT ELECTRONIC SIGNS FOR THAT REASON THEY'RE TRYING TO PRODUCE OR CREATE A CERTAIN ESTHETIC PARTICULARLY SAY LIKE OLD MAIN STREET OR DOWNTOWN AREAS SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. SO I JUST WANT TO KIND OF POINT OUT THAT THERE THIS IS KIND OF THESE TWO MAIN THINGS AND A COMMUNITY CAN BE JUSTIFIED AND ADOPTING STANDARDS FOR EITHER ONE OF THESE REASONS IT'S NOT JUST LIMITED TO ONE OR THE OTHER AND JUST WANTED TO KIND OF SHARE THOSE TWO THINGS. WHAT ARE THE PROS AND CONS OF THESE SIGNS JUST FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE? I MEAN CERTAINLY YOU ASK DIFFERENT PEOPLE, YOU GET DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS BUT I THINK THE PROS ARE JUST OBVIOUSLY IT ALLOWS THE OWNER OF THE SIGN AND THAT COULD BE BOTH A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS OR IT COULD BE A NONCOMMERCIAL ENTITY. CERTAINLY THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON UTILIZES THESE SIGNS PARKS INTERACT. WE PROMOTE PROGRAMING ON BEHALF THAT'S AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AND THEN OF COURSE COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES ARE ADVERTISING COMMERCIAL GOODS AND SERVICES THAT THEY PROVIDE AND SO WITH THAT PROS I MEAN JUST SUPPORTING MORE SPEECH YOU'RE MORE EFFECTIVELY ABLE TO CREATE MORE MESSAGES THEY CAN PROMOTE DIFFERENT GOODS AND SERVICES AND EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE COMMERCIAL. SO THAT'S CERTAINLY ON THE PRO SIDE. THE OTHER PRO SIDE IS THAT SOME CITIES UTILIZE THESE SIGNS TO CREATE KIND OF UNIQUE OR DISTINCT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT THINK ABOUT THEATER DISTRICT DOWNTOWN ON NICOLLET MALL THERE ARE YOU KNOW THERE ARE APPLICATIONS IN AREAS THAT UTILIZE THESE SIGNS VERY INTENTIONALLY SO TO CREATE A VERY DYNAMIC ENVIRONMENT AND SOME OF THOSE AREAS EVEN ALLOWING VIDEO OR OTHER THINGS . SO THOSE ARE ON THE PRO SIDE. ON THE CON SIDE IT'S JUST THE TWO THINGS THAT I MENTIONED UP ABOVE IT'S TRAFFIC SAFETY. IT'S ESTHETIC AND ENVIRONMENT CONSIDERATIONS THAT MIGHT CONFLICT WITH THE CITY'S DESIRED ESTHETIC OR CHARACTER THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO PROMOTE IN THEIR COMMERCIAL AREAS. WHAT IS THE PROPOSED CHANGE WITH THIS ORDINANCE TO PROPOSED CHANGE? SO HERE YOU CAN SEE IS THIS WHAT THE EXISTING CONDITION IS? FORGIVE ME RIGHT NOW THE BLOOMINGTON SIGN CODE REGULATES THE DWELL TIME OF THE SIGN ACCORDING TO TWO DIFFERENT STANDARDS ONE IS FOUR MESSAGES THAT ARE TEN WORDS OR LESS AND DON'T INCLUDE GRAPHICS THAT'S ALLOWED TO BE AT AN EIGHT SECOND DWELL TIME AND THAT'S BEEN THE CITY'S STANDARD FOR QUITE SOME TIME. THE SECOND STANDARD IS FOR LONGER MESSAGES OR THOSE THAT HAVE IMAGES AND KIND OF THE BACKGROUND OF THAT. AND AGAIN I THINK THE RESEARCH IS A DISPUTED AREA TO A CERTAIN DEGREE BUT THE KIND OF WISDOM OR THE INTENT BEHIND THAT IS THAT DRIVER DISTRACTION TENDS TO GO UP WITH THE MORE COMPLEX MESSAGES THAT PEOPLE ARE CONSUMING. THAT'S AT IT'S JUST THE THINKING BEHIND IT. THE SAME STANDARD APPLIES FOR BILLBOARDS THE TEN WORDS OR LESS EIGHT SECONDS, 11 WORDS OR MORE 20S AND THE 20S WAS ESTABLISHED BY THE CITY COUNCIL ON THE SAME CODE WAS ADOPTED IN FEBRUARY 2024. SO WHAT WOULD THE ORDINANCE DO? THE ORDINANCE WOULD EFFECTIVELY JUST ESTABLISH AN EIGHT SECOND DWELL TIME FOR ALL ELECTRONIC SIGNS AND BILLBOARDS IN THE COMMUNITY. I DON'T HAVE A SLIDE ABOUT IT BUT JUST AS A REMINDER ABOUT BILLBOARDS IS THAT THERE'S FOUR BILLBOARDS IN THE COMMUNITY. I HAVE A MAP TO SHOW YOU WHERE THEY ARE IF THAT'S HELPFUL BUT THEY'RE LEGALLY NONCONFORMING. YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO ESTABLISH NEW BILLBOARDS IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. SO THE FOUR UNLESS THE CODE WERE TO CHANGE IN SOME WAY THE FOUR IS THE FOUR AND THAT'S WHERE THAT'S AT. BUT YEAH, ONE OTHER NOTE I'LL MAKE HERE TOO ABOUT THE PROPOSAL IS THAT THERE'S ALSO SOME CHANGES TO THE DEFINITIONS WITHIN THE SAME CODE. WE ACTUALLY HAVE SEPARATE DEFINITIONS FOR CHANGEABLE COPY SIGN OR CHANGE OR GRAPHIC DISPLAY SIGN AND THAT'S JUST TO REFLECT THOSE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF MESSAGES THAT THOSE SIGNS CAN PRODUCE IF THE CITY GOES TO JUST A FLAT EIGHT SECOND REAL TIME YOU DON'T NEED YOU DON'T NEED LONGER EXCUSE ME YOU DON'T NEED TO DEFINE THOSE IN SUCH GRANULARITY. YOU CAN JUST DEFINE ELECTRONIC SIGNS AND STICK WITH THAT. SO WHAT ARE OTHER COMMUNITIES DOING? AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT BACK IN FEBRUARY 2024. YOU KNOW THROUGH THE THE MULTIPLE I GUESS. YEAH. AT THIS POINT IT'S MULTIPLE YEARS OF RESEARCH. WE'VE LOOKED AT 16 CITIES, EIGHT OF THE CITIES THAT WE SURVEYED THROUGH 2024 AND MORE RECENTLY HALF OF THEM EFFECTIVELY ALLOW AN EIGHT SECOND DWELL TIME FIVE OF THOSE OUTRIGHT PERMITTED BY RIGHT FOR JUST ELECTRONIC SIGNS IN GENERAL THREE OF THOSE COMMUNITIES EAGAN MINNETONKA AND RICHFIELD HAVE WHAT'S CALLED AN ENHANCED DYNAMIC DISPLAY PERMIT WHICH IS A MECHANISM THAT THOSE CITIES USE TO REMOVE TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF BILLBOARDS IN THEIR COMMUNITIES IN FAVOR OF GRANTING A CONVERSION OF OTHER ONES TO DIGITAL, ALLOWING THEM TO HAVE REDUCED DWELL TIME. SO THERE'S KIND OF A KIND OF A CARROT ASPECT TO THAT PROCESS. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE ADVOCATING FOR HERE. I'M JUST EXPRESSING THAT'S HOW THOSE COMMUNITIES HAVE KIND OF SET THAT UP. IMPORTANT CONTEXT ALSO TO KNOW SO DWELL TIME IS JUST ONE COMPONENT OF HOW ELECTRONIC SIGNS ARE REGULATED IN THE SIGN CODE ONE THERE'S A MAXIMUM SIZE YOU CAN'T HAVE ONE IN ADDITION TO ALL THE OTHER WAYS THAT SIGN AREA IS REGULATED. IN NO CIRCUMSTANCE COULD YOU HAVE AN ELECTRONIC SIGN GREATER THAN 150FT WITH THE EXCEPTION FOR BILLBOARD CONVERSION VIDEO IS NOT ALLOWED. ONCE THERE'S VIDEO THAT'S A DIFFERENT SIGN TYPE IN OUR SIGN CODE YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT VISIBLE FROM PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY. SO JUST TO EMPHASIZE THAT PIECE THERE IS A SETBACK FROM RESIDENTIAL USES. YOU CANNOT HAVE AN ELECTRONIC SIGN WITHIN 100FT OF A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. TRANSITIONS MUST BE INSTANTANEOUS MEANING YOU CAN'T USE KIND OF EFFECTS OR FADING OR OTHER ELEMENTS THAT KIND OF HAVE MOTION ASSOCIATED WITH IT. THAT'S AGAIN THAT'S A DISTRACTION. THERE ARE BRIGHTNESS LIMITATIONS OF THESE SIGNS LIKE ALL THE SIGNS IN BLOOMINGTON AND THEN IF A SIGN DOES HAPPEN TO BE BEYOND THE 100 FOOT BOUNDARY BUT IS STILL RELATIVELY CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL USES, IT'S ACTUALLY RESTRICTED FROM HAVING TRANSITIONS AFTER 9 P.M. I BELIEVE IT HAS TO REMAIN STATIC OR BE TURNED OFF AT THAT POINT BECAUSE IT'S THE TRANSITIONS THAT TYPICALLY KIND OF BRING MORE ALERT OR NUISANCE HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DESCRIBE THAT. SO AGAIN ON THE ENGAGEMENT AND CORRESPONDENCE SIDE OF THIS PROJECT WE HAVE CONTINUED TO EMAIL PARTIES WHO REMAIN INTERESTED IN OUR SIGN CODE, CONTINUE TO DO THAT AND THEN CLEAR CHANNEL OUTDOOR WHO I BELIEVE IS PRESENT THIS EVENING ALSO SUBMITTED A LETTER TO YOU WAS SENT TO YOU BY STAFF. THERE'S ALSO A PAPER COPY OF THEIR LETTER IN FRONT OF YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. WE'LL ADD IT TO THE RECORD AND WITH THAT STAFF AND TERMS WHERE WE LAND WITH THIS JUST DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ORDINANCE AND I'M HAPPY TO TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. MR. JOHNSON I HAVE ONE QUESTION THE SIGN CODE ORDINANCE THE VERSION ONE THAT ALLOWED BILLBOARDS NON-CONFORMING BILLBOARDS IN OUR COMMUNITY TO MOVE TO DIGITAL. IS THAT CORRECT? CHERYL BURKE THAT'S CORRECT. THAT WAS A DECISION MADE IN FEBRUARY OF 2024. SO THAT WAS YES SO THAT WAS THE DECISION AT AND OKAY, GREAT. THANKS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER OGDEN THANKS, MADAM CHAIR. WONDERFUL. MR. JOHNSON ON THE BUCKET OF ALLOWABLE SCIENCE SQUARE FOOTAGE SO WHAT IS IT TODAY AND WHAT IS IT PROPOSED TO BE SO FOR THE TALL BUILDINGS. OKAY SO RIGHT NOW IT IS THAT A SO RIGHT NOW BUILDING SIGNS ARE TYPICALLY ALLOCATED BASED ON THEIR BUILDING FRONTAGE ALONG PUBLIC ROADWAYS. ACTUALLY IT'S AGAIN IT'S ALL ELEVATIONS NOT JUST ALONG PUBLIC ROADWAYS BUT IN A TYPICAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT YOU GET 1.25FT OF SIGN AREA FOR EVERY LINEAL FOOT OF BUILDING AREA ALONG A FRONTAGE BASICALLY FOR TALL BUILDINGS THERE IS AN EXTRA SIGNAGE ALLOWANCE BECAUSE THE FOOTPRINTS THEMSELVES OF THESE BUILDINGS TEND TO BE SMALLER BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT BIG LONG HORIZONTAL BUILDINGS. SO TO UTILIZE THAT SAME METHODOLOGY WE ASCRIBED TWO SQUARE FEET OF SIGNAGE FOR EVERY LINEAL FOOT OF BUILDING FRONTAGE. BUT THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL STANDARD IN THERE THAT NO INDIVIDUAL SIGN CAN BE LARGER THAN 400FT AND THAT'S JUST TO KIND OF MITIGATE JUST VERY, VERY LARGE BUILDING SIGNS. SO IF A BUILDING TODAY IS ALLOWED 800FT BY THE CALCULATION IS IT PROPOSED TO STILL BE 800FT OR IS THAT 800 OR IS IT STILL 400FT PER SIGN AND THEY COULD HAVE THREE 400 FOOT SIGNS. SO UNDER TODAY'S CODE, IF THEY WERE IF THEY HAD 800FT KEEP IN MIND TOO THAT THEY OFTEN HAVE BUILDING SIGNS KIND OF NEAR THE LOWER PARTS OF THE BUILDING. SO YOU COULD HAVE LIKE A CAFE OR A MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT. THOSE SIGNS ARE ALSO PULLING FROM THE SAME BUCKET AND SO THAT'S WHY THE CODE EFFECTIVELY DISTINGUISHES BETWEEN SIGNS AT THE SECOND STORY AND BELOW BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY MORE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED OR PEDESTRIAN SCALE SIGNS, THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AT THE STORE FRONT IF YOU WILL, OR BUILDING ENTRANCE SIGNS YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WALK IN THAT'S PULLING FROM THAT SAME BUCKET TOO. BUT THE 400 SQUARE FOOT MAX SIGN HAS TO DO WITH THE TALLER BUILDING SIGNS I MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN OFF TRACK ON YOUR QUESTION THERE JUST A LITTLE BIT I'M REALLY ASKING IS CAN THEY WITH THIS ORDINANCE CHANGE THE OVERALL AMOUNT OF SIGNAGE THEY CAN JUST HAVE OR DO THEY HAVE TO LIKE PASS IT UP THREE SMALLER SIGNS VERSUS ONE LARGER SIGN? YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR HELPING ME CHAIR ALBRECHT COMMISSIONER CLIFTON YES, THAT'S CORRECT THOUGH IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE OVERALL SIGN AREA IN FACT AND THAT CIRCUMSTANCE THAT YOU DESCRIBE IF THEY WERE ALLOWED TO HAVE 800FT OF SIGNAGE THAT WOULD BE A VERY LARGE BUILDING OBVIOUSLY. BUT IF THEY WERE ALLOWED TO HAVE 800FT OF SIGNAGE AND THEY WANTED TO DEPLOY IT ALL AT THE TALLER PORTION OF THE BUILDING UNDER TODAY'S CURRENT CODE THEY COULD ONLY HAVE ONE 400 SQUARE FOOT SIGN REGARDLESS OF THEIR BUCKET OR THEIR ALLOWANCE. VERY GOOD FOR OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER CURRY. THANK YOU, CHAIR. YOU MADE THE COMMENT THAT THE CITY WAS NOT CONSIDERING OR I KNOW IF IT'S A PROMOTION BUT THEY'RE CONSIDERING SORT OF A CONSOLIDATION INCENTIVE FOR FOLKS THAT ARE WILLING TO GIVE UP SOME BILLBOARDS AND THEN HAVE AN ELECTRONIC BILLBOARD INSTEAD. WHY DID THE CITY NOT CONSIDER THAT? YEAH, FAIR QUESTION. CHAIR COMMISSIONER CURRY, THE REASON THAT WE DIDN'T IS THAT I THINK BLOOMINGTON GOT OUT A LITTLE BIT FASTER THAN SOME OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES IN TERMS OF PROHIBITING THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO BLOOMINGTON HAS FOUR OF THESE SIGNS AND THEY ARE KIND OF SPREAD OUT THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. THAT'S THE LOCATIONS OF THEM. ONE IS ON 35 RIGHT BY THE ONE IS AT THE NEAR THE INTERCHANGE . ONE IS ALONG FOURTH AVENUE, A KIND OF IN EASTERN BLOOMINGTON ALONG 494 AND THEN ONE IS ALONG STANLEY IN KIND OF PROXIMITY TO THE HIGHWAY 100 INTERCHANGE THERE. I HAVEN'T STUDIED THOSE OTHER COMMUNITIES IN DETAIL IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF BILLBOARDS THAT THEY HAVE BUT MY GUESS IS THAT THEY POTENTIALLY HAVE MORE THAN BLOOMINGTON DOES AND THEIR CITY RICHFIELD MAYBE NOT BUT MINNETONKA EAGAN THERE'S A FEW OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE GONE THIS ROUTE. THIS HAS KIND OF BECOME A PRACTICE THAT A FEW CITIES HAVE ADOPTED BUT I THINK I THINK AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LINE IT PROBABLY JUST HAS TO DO WITH THE NUMBER OR THE PROLIFERATION OF THEM. HOW MANY OF THEM IN THE COMMUNITY DO THEY HAVE AND THEN CAN WE REDUCE THAT IS WHAT IT MEANS. WHAT MY GUESS IS OKAY SO I GUESS I'M I DON'T KNOW IF I'M READING THIS WRONG BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE EXHIBIT THAT CLEAR CHANNEL PROVIDED HAD BILLBOARDS JUST EAST JUST OFF OF 77 AND 494 BUT WE DON'T SHOW THAT HERE. MY MISREADING EITHER MAP OR YOU MIGHT THERE IS ONE ON THE MACK PROPERTY BUT IT'S ON THE NORTH IT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 494. IS THAT WHAT THE MAP SHOWS? TOUGH TO TELL. YEAH. LOOKS LIKE IT'S RIGHT ON TOP OF IT THERE THERE'S THERE IS ONE ON THE MACK PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW AND THAT'S CLEAR CHANNEL THERE'S OTHER BILLBOARD COMPANIES AS WELL BUT MACK DOES HAVE ONE KIND OF NORTHEAST NORTHEAST OF THE SOUTH LOOP DISTRICT KIND OF AS WELL AS THEY HAVE SOME OFF HIGHWAY FIVE TWO THERE'S MULTIPLE ON THE MACK PROPERTY. OKAY SO THEN THEY WOULDN'T HAVE ANY IN BLOOMINGTON THEN BECAUSE BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THE ONE TO THE EAST OF THE AIRPORT I DON'T THINK IS I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TECHNICALLY BLOOMINGTON THAT MIGHT BE MINNEAPOLIS AND THEN EAST OF THE RIVER IS EAGAN ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT RICHFIELD AGAIN? NO, I THINK OH YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE CLEAR CHANNEL. I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. I WAS JUST KIND OF COMING TO THE REALIZATION THAT THE MAP MIGHT NOT HAVE ANY BILLBOARDS IN BLOOMINGTON. SO AFTER BASED ON YOUR COMMENTS SO OKAY SO ANYWAYS SO THE MAP THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING IS ACCURATE IN THAT THESE ARE THE LOCATIONS IN BLOOMINGTON AND AND THE CLEAR CHANNEL MAP IS PROBABLY NORTH OF 494 THEN AND BECAUSE OF THAT NOT IN BLOOMINGTON YEAH CHAIR I THINK I'M TRACKING YOU BETTER NOW THE REASON THAT THESE THESE ARE CLEAR CHANNEL OR CLEAR CHANNEL OWNS ALL FOUR BILLBOARDS IN BLOOMINGTON THE REASON THEY DON'T SHOW UP ON THEIR MAP IS BECAUSE THEY'RE STATIC BILLBOARDS. THAT MAP IS A MAP OF ONLY THEIR DYNAMIC DISPLAY BILLBOARDS SO THAT DOESN'T REPRESENT THEIR FULL ROSTER OR ALL OF THE BILLBOARDS THEY OWN IN THE TWIN CITIES. GOT IT. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHY NONE OF THESE ARE ON THEIR MAP AT ALL, CORRECT? OKAY. THE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER COCHRAN THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. MR. JOHNSON, YOU NOTED THAT THE TALL BUILDING PROVISIONS ARE ONLY APPLICABLE TO NONRESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS. WHAT IF WE HAVE A MIXED USE BUILDING? GOOD QUESTION, CHAIR. COMMISSIONER CORRECT. AND THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION. I THINK WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO LIKELY I MEAN IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT SOME OF OUR MIXED USE DISTRICTS. WELL THEY ACTUALLY DO HAVE A SEPARATE DESIGNATION FOR RESIDENTIAL USE PORTIONS OF THE SIGN CODE. MY INTERPRETATION OF THAT WOULD THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO FOLLOW THE RESIDENTIAL ALLOWANCE FOR SIGNAGE TYPICALLY THAT'S A 40 OR 50FT SIGN VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT'S CONSTRUCTED IN BLOOMINGTON CENTRAL STATION THE FAMILY INDIGO THEY'RE MORE DISCRETE ALLOWANCES FOR SIGNAGE FOR RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS AND THEN HAVING COMMERCIAL LEVELS OF SIGNAGE ALLOWED FOR THE COMMERCIAL STOREFRONTS FOR MIXED USE. SO YEAH, THAT WOULD BE MY INTERPRETATION HERE AS I THINK ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW. THANKS. EITHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF MR. JOHNSON I HAVE ONE QUESTION AND YOU MAY NOT HAVE THIS YOU DON'T HAVE BY CHANCE OF A MAP THAT SHOWS THE BILLBOARD LOCATIONS WHOEVER OWNS THEM ON THE NORTH SIDE OF FOR 94 ON THE RICHFIELD SIDE. CHAIR ALBERT I DID NOT BRING A MAP SHOWING THE RICHFIELD SIDE ONE OF THE BLOOMINGTON BILLBOARDS IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 494 IN THE BLOOMINGTON PORTION WHERE THE COMMUNITY DOES EXTEND ACROSS THE 494 AT STANLEY OAK NEAR HIGHWAY 102. COMMISSIONER CAREY THANKS CHAIR. ONE MORE QUESTION MORE RELATING TO THE BUILDING BUILDING SIGNAGE. HAS THE CITY CONSIDERED OR LOOKED AT DEFINING UPDATING THE DEFINITION OF BUILDING FACINGS TO OVERCOME THE CHALLENGES RELATED TO. AND HOW DID THAT GO? YEAH, THE CHAIR COMMISSIONER CAREY THANKS FOR THAT QUESTION THERE. WE DID ADD SOME GRAPHICS TO THE DEFINITELY DEFINED BUILDING FRONTAGE IN THE LAST ROUND OF THE LOOK BACK ORDINANCE PART ONE THAT WAS IN THERE. WE ADDED A DEFINITION FOR THAT AND WE ADDED A COUPLE INTERPRETATION GRAPHICS. SO THERE ARE SOME UNIQUE BUILDINGS WHERE IT DOESN'T IT'S HARD TO KIND OF DETERMINE HOW YOU WOULD APPLY DO THAT AS THAT METHODOLOGY I DESCRIBE THE LINEAL FOOT BUILDING FRONTAGE CALCULATION. AND SO WE ADDED SOME OF THOSE GRAPHICS, PUT THOSE TOGETHER AND THEY'RE NOW IN CODE TO HELP WITH THAT INTERPRETATION PROCESS. SO SO THE TWO BUILDINGS THAT YOU SHOWED. SO HOW DOES THAT STILL AN ISSUE THEN IF IT WAS ADDRESSED? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE CITY OF CENTER AND YEAH, SO IT'S NOT AN ISSUE OF HOW MUCH SIGNAGE AREA THEY HAVE. THEY'RE JUST ALLOWED ONLY ALLOWED TO HAVE ONE SIGN UP ON THE TALL PORTION BUT MAYBE I'M NOT TRACKED RIGHT? SO THEN I GUESS IS WHAT I'M ASKING IS HAS THE CITY LOOKED AT ADJUSTING OR DEFINING CREATING A DEFINITION TO ACCOUNT FOR BUILDINGS LIKE THESE WHERE WE'VE GOT FACES THAT ARE REALLY KIND OF IN PARALLEL BUT AT DIFFERENT DEPTHS OR SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT ANGLES? YEAH, WE DID CHAIR COMMISSIONER CURRY. WE DID NOT STUDY SOLVING THE SKINNING THE CAT THAT WAY OR SOLVING THE PROBLEM THAT WAY. THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER WAY TO SOLVE THE POTENTIAL ISSUE YOU KNOW WOULDN'T RESOLVE THE IF THERE ARE MULTIPLE TENANTS WITHIN A MULTIPLE TENANT BUILDING THAT WANT TO HAVE SITE WHAT DOESN'T RESOLVE THAT ISSUE BUT I THERE COULD BE POTENTIALLY WAYS TO HAVE THAT RESOLVED. THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE MORE UNIQUE AND FOOTPRINT THAT COULD KIND OF HAVE MULTIPLE SIGNS WITHOUT IT KIND OF BEING MORE CLUTTERED CLUTTERED LOOK. YEAH AND PART OF THIS TOO IS I MEAN WITH WITH ALL SIGNAGE ACTUALLY IN THE SIGN CODE PART OF IT IS A RELIANCE ON, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE DECISION MAKERS, PRIVATE LAND OWNERS AND PROPERTY OWNERS TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS WITH THEIR BUILDING MOST OF THE TIME I THINK THAT THAT WORKS OUT SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T BUT THERE IS THAT COMPONENT OF IT AS WELL AND I BELIEVE SOME COMMERCIAL OFFICE LEASES, YOU KNOW, ARE TIED TO KIND OF THERE'S SOME INCENTIVES OR SOME ADDITIONAL ELEMENT OF THE LEASE THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE ANCHORED ANCHOR TENANT. YEP. OKAY. THANKS COMMISSIONER COOKSON THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. MR. JOHNSON. SO ON THE PHOTO THERE OF THE BILL PLAZA, WHAT WHAT WOULD WE CONSIDER TO BE A A FACE OF THE BUILDING THEN THERE'S A LOT OF THEM SO COULD ALL OF THOSE HAVE THREE SIGNS? CHAIR COMMISSIONER COOK TO KNOW WE WOULD AS ODD AS SOME BUILDINGS ARE ANGLED AND THEY HAVE MULTIPLE FACES ON THEM WE WOULD UTILIZE SOME OF THOSE GRAPHICS THAT WE ADOPTED BUT BASICALLY THE WAY IT WORKS IS THAT YOU KIND OF HAVE FOUR ELEVATIONS AND WE TAKE A MEASUREMENT ON A BUILDING LIKE BELL BANK IT WOULD LITERALLY JUST BE THERE IF I WAS STUDYING THERE WEST ELEVATION FOR EXAMPLE LITERALLY WOULD BE THERE NORTH THE SOUTH DISTANCE THAT THE FOOTPRINT FILLS AND DESPITE ALL OF THE NOOKS AND CRANNIES AND THINGS. SAME THING ON THE SOUTH SIDE EAST SIDE NORTH SIDE YOU KIND OF HAVE TO DRAW A LINE SOMEWHERE OF HOW YOU'RE MEASURING THESE THINGS AND TRY AND DO IT IN A CONSISTENT WAY. SO NO, THEY NOT EACH ONE WOULD HAVE THREE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. ALL RIGHT. STAFF IS THE APPLICANT FOR THIS ITEM SO I WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO TESTIFY ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE COME FORWARD. SIGN IN PLEASE AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF . I, I THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, CHAIR PLANNING COMMISSION NERVOUS? MY NAME IS MATTHEW WHILE I'M WITH CLEAR CHANNEL OUTDOOR WE OWN AND OPERATE THROUGH FOUR BILLBOARDS IN THE CITY OF BURLINGTON. I JUST HAVE A FEW COMMENTS. FIRST I CERTAINLY WANT TO THANK YOUR CITY STAFF. I THINK NICK'S DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB ON THIS. HE'S BEEN REALLY GOOD TO WORK WITH. IT'S A COMPLEX ISSUE. I THINK HE'S DONE A THOROUGH, THOROUGH JOB AND I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH HIS RECOMMENDATION A LITTLE BIT. I JUST WANT TO ADD A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THE OPERATION OR SIGNS WE'VE BEEN OPERATING SIGNED SAFELY IN THE TWIN CITIES SINCE 2006. SO FOR OVER 19 YEARS WE'VE BEEN OPERATING THESE SIGNS SINCE THEN WE'RE UP TO 83 BILLBOARDS THAT WE OPERATE THROUGHOUT THE TWIN CITIES COMMUNITIES AND IN 21 DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES NOW AND CONTINUE TO ADD TO THAT SAFETY IS OUR TOP PRIORITY IN THE OPERATION OF THESE BOARDS. IT HAS TO BE WE KNOW WE COULDN'T OPERATE THEM IF IT WASN'T. THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS IN THE OPERATION THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE SAFE. ALL THE BOARDS YOU'LL SEE HAVE A WEBCAM. THERE'S AN ARM IN FRONT OF THEM WITH A WEBCAM POINTED AT THEM. WE DO THIS NOT ONLY TO PROVE IN OUR ADVERTISER WE PUT UP THEIR ADS BUT IT ALLOWS US TO MONITOR THE BOARDS AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE OPERATING SAFELY. IF THERE EVER WAS AN ISSUE WHERE WE'RE CONNECTED TO THEM BY CELL WE CAN REMOTELY SHUT OFF THESE BOARDS. THE OTHER THING ON ALL OUR BOARDS THEY HAVE AMBIENT LIGHT SENSORS SO THEY'RE CONSTANTLY CHANGING THE BRIGHTNESS OF THE SIGN FOR THE CONDITIONS AROUND IT. A DARK CLOUDY DAY. THEY'RE GOING TO GO LESS BRIGHT AT NIGHT. OBVIOUSLY THEY GO WAY DOWN THEN THEY GO UP DURING THE DAY . THEY'RE REALLY PROGRAMED TO OPERATE LIKE THE OTHER PRINTED STRUCTURES THAT YOU SEE IN THE CORRIDOR. SO SAFE ATIONS OF THESE SIGNS IS OUR TOP PRIORITY. YOU DON'T HEAR INFORMATION OR NEWS OR READ THINGS ABOUT ISSUES WITH THESE SIGNS SO THAT BEING SAID, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS NICK DID A GOOD JOB BRINGING UP YOU KNOW THESE THINGS CHANGED INSTANTANEOUSLY. THERE'S NO MOVEMENT, THERE'S NO VIDEO. IT'S HARD TO EVEN KNOW THEY MOVED UNLESS YOU'RE REALLY STARING AT THEM. THE SAFETY DESIGN OF THESE STRUCTURES IS BASED ON THE SAFETY CITY SPECIFICALLY THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION'S SAFETY STUDY WHICH IS THE ONLY REASON WE'RE ALLOWED TO OPERATE THEM SUBJECT TO LOCAL CONTROL OF COURSE. BUT WE DO BELIEVE WE'VE PROVEN THE COMMUNITIES AROUND YOU THAT WE CAN OPERATE THESE SAFELY THAT EIGHT SECOND OF ALL TIMES WE ARE VERY INTERESTED IN INVESTING IN YOUR COMMUNITY. WE THINK OUR DIGITALS PROVIDE A MODERN NICE LOOK UPDATED LOOK AND THEN MODERNIZE THESE SIGNS IN YOUR COMMUNITY WHERE AN APPROPRIATE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL CORNERS THE SIGNS THEMSELVES WHEN WE GO TO DIGITAL ALLOWS MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR ADVERTISERS ON THEIR MESSAGES AND ALLOWS A LOT MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR YOUR LOCAL BUSINESSES TO ADVERTISE IN COMMUNITY WITHOUT ADDING ANY MORE BILLBOARDS IN YOUR COMMUNITY AND FINALLY, DIGITAL BILLBOARDS ALLOW US TO FURTHER THE COMMITMENT TO THE CITIES WE WORK IN BY BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE COMMUNITY MESSAGING ON THE CITIES WE OPERATE IN. DO A GREAT JOB WITH THIS. THEY ADVERTISE THEIR CITY EVENTS AND I SHOWED SOME EXAMPLES IN THE LETTER I SENT YOU THEY ADVERTISE THEIR CITY EVENTS, THEIR CITY MEETINGS, PUBLIC EDUCATION THEY JUST DO A GREAT JOB WITH IT. THEY FIND IT AS ANOTHER EFFECTIVE TOOL TO COMMUNICATE WITH THEIR RESIDENTS IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE PROVIDE THE CITIES WE PROVIDE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, SHERIFF'S FBI TIME ON OUR SIGNS. WE'RE ONE OF THE FASTEST WAYS TO GET AN AMBER ALERT OUT. FOR INSTANCE, IN THAT CASE. SO WITH THAT I'M CERTAINLY AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THE ORDINANCE A REQUEST BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE IN THE CHAMBERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO TESTIFY ON THIS ITEM SEEING NONE. MISS BROWN, IS THERE ANYONE ONLINE WHO WISHES TO TESTIFY? JUST THE STAFF PRESENT. OKAY. LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SO MOVED. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I THOSE OPPOSED. >> PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED AND DISCUSSION I'M GOING TO START US OFF. I WAS REALLY NOT A FAN OF MOVING OUR BILLBOARDS TO A DIGITAL FORMAT. I THINK I WAS PRETTY VOCAL ABOUT THAT AND SO DECREASING THE DWELL TIME I'M AGAIN NOT IN FAVOR I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS NECESSARY. THERE ARE COMMUNITIES TO OUR WEST THAT HAVE 20 MINUTE DWELL TIMES ON THEIR BILLBOARDS AND I THINK IF ANYTHING WE SHOULD BE GOING THE OTHER DIRECTION. SO I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT. REGARDING THE SIGNAGE ON BUILDINGS AS LONG AS WE'RE MAINTAINING THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE MAXIMUM THAT SEEMS APPROPRIATE FOR OUR COMMUNITY I THINK HAVING MULTIPLE SIGNS IS FINE IN THE BUILDING WE'LL NEED TO NEGOTIATE THAT WITH THEIR OWN TENANTS SO I AM OKAY WITH THAT PORTION OF IT. I'M NOT OKAY WITH DECREASING THE DWELL TIME AND AGAIN NOT OKAY WITH MOVING THESE BILLBOARDS TO DIGITAL FORMAT. COMMISSIONER COOKSON THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. I TOO WAS NOT IN FAVOR OF US MOVING THESE BILLBOARDS TO DIGITAL. IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING I SUPPORT AND SO YOU KNOW I DO THINK THE APPLICANT OR I'M SORRY THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY DID MAKE A GOOD POINT IN THAT IT DOES PROVIDE A BETTER OPPORTUNITY FOR SMALL BUSINESSES BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO BUY AN ENTIRE BILLBOARD WHICH WOULD BE COST PROHIBITIVE PRESUMABLY FOR A SMALL BUSINESS. SO IN FAIRNESS, THAT WAS A FAIR POINT IN AN ARGUMENT FOR DIGITAL BILLBOARDS. HOWEVER, I THINK THAT'S OVERSHADOWED BY THE DOWNSIDES OF DIGITAL BILLBOARDS THAT WE EXPERIENCE IN BLOOMINGTON IS THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF OUR HOTELS ON FOR 94 AND WHEN YOU HAVE A DIGITAL BILLBOARD THAT'S NEXT YEAR HOTEL ROOM YOU'RE GOING TO BE SEEING THAT BLINK EVERY EIGHT SECONDS JUST LIKE I DO AT HOME EVERY NIGHT WHEN I GO TO BED BECAUSE MACK ACROSS THE STREET WHO HAS ONE OF THESE BILLBOARDS IT FLASHES EVERY EIGHT SECONDS AND I SEE IT OUT MY WINDOW EVERY SINGLE NIGHT AND IT'S ANNOYING. AND SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS BECAUSE OUR HOTEL INDUSTRY IS THE BACKBONE OF THIS COMMUNITY AND I DON'T WANT TO HURT OUR HOTELS AND OUR THE GUEST EXPERIENCE AT OUR HOTELS AND ALL THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS WE'RE BUILDING ALONG FOR 94, I JUST SEE VERY LITTLE BENEFIT TO THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON TO DO THIS LIKE I CAN APPRECIATE CLEAR CHANNELS A PRIVATE BUSINESS I CAN APPRECIATE WHY THEY WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF IT BUT WHAT'S IT TO US OTHER THAN THE VERY SMALL BENEFIT OF MAYBE A SMALL BUSINESS CAN NOW AFFORD TO GET THEIR ADVERTISING UP ON A BILLBOARD WHICH THEY OTHERWISE WOULDN'T BUT THAT DOES NOT OVERLAY FOR ME THE NUISANCE CHARACTERISTIC OF HAVING DIGITAL BILLBOARDS ALL OVER THE CITY. SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT. REGARDING THE PROPOSAL FOR A THREE SCIENCE PER BUILDING FACADE I'M VERY AGAINST THIS. I DON'T LIKE IT AT ALL. I ALMOST FELL OUT OF MY CHAIR WHEN I WAS STUDYING THIS APPLICATION. THREE PER FACADE I THINK IS OUTRAGEOUS. I THINK IT'S WAY TOO MANY. I APPRECIATE THAT WE'RE NOT INCREASING THE OVERALL AMOUNT OF SIGNAGE BUT THREE PER FACADE IS WAY MORE THAN I'M COMFORTABLE WITH. I THINK ABOUT THE MINNESOTA CENTER THAT'S SORT OF 45 DEGREES TO THE HIGHWAY. YOU COULD SEE SIX SIGNS ON THAT BUILDING AS YOU'RE DRIVING. I JUST SHUDDER TO THINK OF THAT EXPERIENCE OF SIX SIGNS BEING VISIBLE ON THAT BUILDING. I DON'T LIKE IT AT ALL AND IF YOU NEED EVIDENCE OF THIS, GO TO SAINT CLOUD AND NOT TO RIP ON SAINT CLOUD HERE BUT WHATEVER THAT MAIN STREET IS IN SAINT CLOUD WHERE IT'S JUST SIGNAGE EVERYWHERE IT'S BRUTAL THAT THE EXPERIENCE AS A DRIVER IS AWFUL BECAUSE OF JUST THIS SIGNAGE WILD WEST THAT'S GOING ON IN SAINT CLOUD AND I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT HERE FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE FOR 94 IS THE GATEWAY INTO BLOOMINGTON AND BESIDES MALL OF AMERICA THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE KNOW BLOOMINGTON BY IS THE 494 STRIP AND THEY JUST HAVE IT LITTERED WITH SIGNAGE. I JUST CAN'T GET THERE. I'M NOT EVEN CLOSE TO GETTING THERE SO I AM VERY IN FAVOR OF KEEPING IT AT ONE SIGN PERMIT FACADE. I THINK IT'S PLENTY AND AGAIN I THINK THE BENEFIT TO BLOOMINGTON IS RELATIVELY MINOR LIKE I APPRECIATE THAT THE OFFICE MARKET IS SOFT. WE KNOW IS SOFT. IT'S SOFT FOR EVERYBODY. IT'S NOT JUST SOFT FOR US. IT'S SOFT FOR EVERYBODY. AND YET COULD WE ATTRACT MORE COMMERCIAL TENANTS TO PUT THEIR BIG OFFICE SPACE IN BLOOMINGTON IF WE ALLOWED MORE SIGNAGE? I SUPPOSE SO BUT I MEAN WE'RE TALKING MAYBE A HANDFUL OF BUSINESSES IF ANY AT ALL AND I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE A SHORT TERM PROBLEM WITH A LONG TERM SOLUTION WHEN WE THINK ABOUT CHANGING THE CODE, THIS IS LIKE A PERMANENT THING BECAUSE AS SOON AS PEOPLE PUT SIGNS UP ON THEIR BUILDING THEY'RE NEVER COMING DOWN. WE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THIS ONE BACK. AND SO I KNOW THE OFFICE MARKET IS SOFT. IS IT GOING TO BE SOFT FOR ANOTHER FIVE YEARS, TEN YEARS, MAYBE 20 YEARS, WHICH SEEMS LIKE A REALLY LONG TIME. I MEAN 20 YEARS AGO I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL BARELY AND TO THINK THAT THE OFFICE MARKET IS STILL GOING TO BE THIS SOFT IN 20 YEARS I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE. I THINK THE OFFICE MARKET WILL COME BACK AND SO 20 YEARS FROM NOW WE'LL HAVE A ROBUST OFFICE MARKET AND THIS REGULATION THAT WE PUT IN PLACE IN 2025 AND NOW WE'RE JUST STUCK WITH SIGNS EVERYWHERE AND THEY'RE NEVER COMING BACK. AND SO I CANNOT GET BEHIND THE IDEA OF THREE PER SIGN AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO JUST BE A LITTLE PATIENT AS THE OFFICE MARKET RECOVERS AND LOOK FOR OTHER SOLUTIONS TO SUPPORT COMMERCIAL OFFICE SPACE. I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE SOLUTION TO GET MORE COMMERCIAL OFFICE TENANTS BACK IN BLOOMINGTON AND I CANNOT SUPPORT IT. COMMISSIONER CURRY THANKS CHAIR YEAH, I THINK A BASICALLY A GROWTH COMMISSIONER COOKED IN ON EVERYTHING WELL YOU KNOW EIGHT SECONDS VERSUS 20S IS SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY HARD FOR A PLANNING COMMISSIONER TO REALLY HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE OR KNOWLEDGE ABOUT. I GUESS YOU KNOW COMMISSIONERS TESTIMONY JUST ABOUT LIVING ACROSS THE HIGHWAY FROM IT IS PROBABLY AS GOOD AS I'M GOING TO GET. SO I MEAN PERHAPS YOU KNOW IF THE CITY WAS SUPPORTIVE OF SOME SORT OF CONSOLIDATION EFFORT WHERE THERE WAS MAYBE ONE SIGN OR TWO SIGNS THAT MOST ALONG FOR 94 THAT HAD THAT THAT WOULD BE ONE THING. BUT THEN YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE REALLY CONSIDERED NORTH OF 494 BEING A DINER POTENTIALLY EDEN PRAIRIE RICHFIELD AND THE MACK LIKE LONG TERM EITHER. SO THERE'S THAT WHOLE SIDE OF 494 AS WELL. SO I DON'T REALLY SUPPORT THAT. I THINK OR I DON'T SUPPORT THAT. I THINK YOU KNOW LOCAL BUSINESSES CAN JUST GO ON FACEBOOK, FACEBOOK ADVERTISING WORKS GREAT AND I THINK LOCAL BUSINESSES ARE LOOKING FOR LOCAL RELATIONSHIPS SO I JUST DON'T YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE LESS EXPENSIVE BUT I DON'T REALLY SEE A MAJOR BENEFIT THERE. SO IN TERMS OF BUILDING SIGNAGE ALSO COMPLETELY AGREE. I THINK YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WE DON'T THAT'S JUST NOT THE WAY TO SUPPORT THE OFFICE MARKET. I DON'T THINK THE OFFICE MARKET IS REALLY THAT SOFT IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO I MEAN TO COMMISSIONER COOKSON'S POINT, ONCE THE SIGNS GO UP THEY NEVER COME BACK DOWN. SO I CAN THINK BACK TO EXPERIENCE WITH BROKERS WHO WERE PROUD OF THE FACT THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE GETTING SIGNS ON A BUILDING THAT NEVER HAD A THAT NEVER HAD SIGNS BEFORE AND NOW THERE'S MORE SIGNS ON THOSE BUILDINGS AND THEY'RE NEVER COMING DOWN. SO I DON'T SUPPORT EITHER ONE . COMMISSIONER ISSA, ARE WE GOING TO VOTE ON THIS SEPARATELY BECAUSE I'M KIND OF SPLIT IN MY DECISION UNLESS IT'S PACKAGE I DON'T KNOW. BUT I THINK WHAT WE WOULD DO IS ENTERTAIN A MOTION AND THEN WE WOULD VOTE BASED ON THAT ENTERTAINED MOTION AND IF IT PASSES THEN THAT WOULD BE IT. IF IT FAILS THEN WE WOULD ENTERTAIN ANOTHER MOTION. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION, MADAM CHAIR. YEAH. SO I GUESS MY TAKE IS I'M AND SO I AGREE WITH FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ON THE BUILDING SIGNAGE. I THINK IT SHOULDN'T GO TO THREE I BELIEVE IT'S ONE CURRENTLY OR EIGHT IT SHOULD STICK TO THAT BUT I AM KIND OF IN FAVOR OF THE BILLBOARDS BEING THERE. THE WINDOW OF TIME BEING INCREASED WITH THE INFORMATION THAT IT'S I GUESS WITH WITH THE CONDITION THAT IT DOESN'T CAUSE A NUISANCE. YOU KNOW, I KNOW THE SPEAKER MENTIONED SOME PROACTIVE STEPS THEY TAKE IN ENSURING THAT BUT ALSO I KNOW COMMISSIONER KICKED AND YOU HAD PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. I FEEL LIKE IF YOU KNOW I GUESS MY TAKE IS IT WOULD BE FINE IF THERE'S I AGREE THAT WITH I AGREE THAT I AM IN FAVOR OF THE BILLBOARDS WITH THE CONDITION THAT CERTAIN ISSUES BE MITIGATED BUT OVERALL I'M IN SUPPORT I'M LEANING MORE TOWARDS IN SUPPORT SO YEAH THE ONLY COMMENT THAT I'M GOING TO MAKE ABOUT THE BILLBOARDS IS THAT FOR A REALLY LONG TIME OUR COMMUNITY HAS SAID WE DON'T WANT ANY MORE BILLBOARDS AND NOW THE PROPOSAL IS TO NOT ONLY CHANGE THOSE BILLBOARDS TO A DIGITAL FORMAT BUT THEN ALSO DECREASE THE DWELL TIME FROM 20S TO EIGHT SECONDS AND I FEEL LIKE STAFF HAS DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB ABOUT SLOW ROLLING THIS OUT AND WE NEED TO LET THIS SLOW ROLL OUT. LET'S IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY YES YOU CAN TURN ALL OF YOUR BILLBOARDS INTO DIGITAL BILLBOARDS. I'D LOVE TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE ON FOR 94 AND THEN LET'S MAKE A DECISION ABOUT DECREASING THEM THE DWELL TIME BECAUSE FOR A LONG TIME THOSE HAVE BEEN STATIC AND WE AS A COMMUNITY HAVE SAID WE DON'T WANT ANY MORE. SO IT FEELS LIKE NOW WE'RE TRIPLE QUADRUPLING THE AMOUNT OF BILLBOARDS BY JUST HAVING MULTIPLE IMAGES BEING SHOWN. COMMISSIONER CLIFTON THANKS MADAM CHAIR AND MY ON MY ROAD TO WORK I PASSED BY A NUMBER OF THESE AND YOU KNOW THE REALITY IS IT'S NOT THE SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE ON THERE. IT'S ANOTHER REALTOR WITH HIS ARM STRETCHED OUT AND DO I REALLY NEED TO SEE ONE OF THOSE EVERY FOUR SECONDS MORE OFTEN THAN I DO ALREADY? I DON'T THERE'S NO BENEFIT TO ME OR THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON TO SEE THAT THE ONE EXCEPTION I WOULD BE WILLING TO CARVE OUT FOR THIS IS THE MALL OF AMERICA NOT TO PLAY FAVORITES HERE BUT THE MALL UNDERSTANDABLY PLAYS BY SOME DIFFERENT RULES IN THE SIGNAGE BUSINESS AND IF THEY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING MORE DYNAMIC I COULD SUPPORT SOMETHING CARVED OUT AT THE MALL BUT NOWHERE ELSE ANYWHERE ELSE. THE BILLBOARD THAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED PLANNING MANAGER JOHNSON ABOUT THE BILLBOARDS IN RICHFIELD I BELIEVE IS A RICHFIELD BILLBOARD AND IT'S JUST A BIG HUGE NICOTINE PATCH OR NICOTINE POUCH BILLBOARD AND I HAVE A REALLY HARD TIME. IT'S LIKE FLAVORED NICOTINE POUCHES AND I HAD JUST HAVE A REALLY HARD TIME WANTING TO LOOKING AT THAT AND THINKING THERE'S A BUNCH OF KIDS LOOKING AT THAT EVERY DAY WHILE THEY DRIVE AROUND FOR 94. I DON'T LOVE IT. I REALLY DON'T. ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE WANTING TO MAKE A MOTION. COMMISSIONER CAPTAIN THANKS, MADAM CHAIR. I AM PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION HERE RIGHT. CAN I GIVE MYSELF A SECOND TO MAKE SURE I'VE GOT IT RIGHT IN MY HEAD? OKAY. IN CASE, PAL 2025-52I MOVED TO RECOMMEND THE CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT ADOPT THE SINE CODE LOOK BACK PART TWO ORDINANCE SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR NOT RECOMMENDING THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT THE SONG CUT SIGN CODE LOOK BACK SO PART PART TWO OF THE ORDINANCE YES JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION IT'S NOT THAT I'M NOT RECOMMENDING I'M IT'S THAT I'M RECOMMENDING THEY DO NOT RECOMMENDING THEY DO NOT YES YOU AND WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I THOSE OPPOSED OPPOSED ALL RIGHT SO WE HAVE IT LOOKS LIKE THAT MOTION CARRIES 5 TO 1. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. ITEM TWO IS A STUDY ITEM AND IT IS A PROJECT UPDATE ON THE COMMERCIAL NODES TOOLKIT AND MR. SPONSIBLE, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ANALYST SPONSIBLE YOU HAVE THE REPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS GIVE ME JUST A SECOND HERE . ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING. AS CHAIR ALBRIGHT SAID I AM LUKE SPANO ECONOMIC TOLL. I'M AN ANALYST WITH THE PORT AUTHORITY. I'M PLEASED TO BE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL NOTES TOOLKIT AND KIND OF AN UPDATE ON THE PROGRESS THAT'S BEEN MADE RECENTLY THE VISION OF THE COMMERCIAL NOTES TOOLKIT IS TO PROVIDE A FRAMEWORK FOR STAFF, PROPERTY OWNERS AND BUSINESSES TO MODERNIZE AND REDEVELOP COMMERCIAL NODES WHILE MINIMIZING BUSINESS DISPLACEMENT. THE PURPOSE OF OUR PRESENTATION TODAY IS TO SHARE THE REDEVELOPMENT STRATEGIES DOCUMENT THAT STAFF HAS CREATED TO HIGHLIGHT WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE TO DATE THE INCLUDING THE CREATION OF ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS, USE OF PUBLIC FUNDS, SOME SUCCESSFUL GRANT AWARDS FROM OUR PARTNER AGENCIES TO BUSINESSES AND THE PRESENTATION THE REPORT CONTAINS SOME CASE STUDIES AS WELL TO HIGHLIGHT BOTH THE SCALE AND BREADTH OF THIS PROJECT AND THE WORK THE PORT AUTHORITY HAS DONE REGARDING COMMERCIAL NOTES WE WILL CONCLUDE BY ASKING FOR SOME FEEDBACK AND DIRECTION TO HELP IDENTIFY GAPS AND PRIORITIZE OUR EFFORTS GOING FORWARD AS MANY OF YOU ARE AWARE BLOOMINGTON MANY OF BLOOMINGTON'S COMMERCIAL NODES TEND TO BE OLDER LOW DENSITY SUFFER FROM SOME VACANCY HIGHER VACANCY THAN TYPICAL. THEY GENERALLY LACK THE AMENITIES, ESTHETICS AND VIBRANCY OF MODERN COMMERCIAL CENTERS. OPPORTUNITIES EXIST TO ADD HOUSING GREEN SPACE AND ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY OVERALL WE WANT TO ENSURE THE LONG TERM SUSTAINABILITY OF THESE NODES AS VIBRANT COMMERCIAL CENTERS . THE INTEREST IN IMPROVING THE CONDITION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL NODES WAS HIGHLIGHTED IN THE 2016 NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL STUDY WHICH DETERMINED LOCATIONS MOST IN NEED OF EFFORTS. BUT ELEMENTS OF THIS PROJECT ARE ALSO INFORMED BY A NEWER HOST DOCUMENTS INCLUDING THE COMP PLAN LAND RETROFIT PLAN BLOOMINGTON TOMORROW TOGETHER AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN COMPLETED EARLIER THIS YEAR. I DID INCLUDE THE COPY OF THE 2016 NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL STUDY IN YOUR PACKET. JUST FOR REFERENCE I KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING ON TEN YEARS SINCE THAT WAS CREATED SO I HOPEFULLY A LITTLE REFRESHER FOR YOU THERE AND THAT REALLY HIGHLIGHTS KIND OF THE MATRIX OF WHY THESE LOCATIONS WERE DETERMINED BACK THEN AND MOST OF THAT STILL HOLDS TRUE TODAY. SO WE TEND TO CARRY THAT FORWARD. SPEAKING OF OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN, THIS CALLS FOR THE PORT AUTHORITY TO DEVELOP STRONG WORKING RELATIONSHIPS WITH PROPERTY OWNERS, LEVERAGE EXISTING PROGRAMS AND INITIATIVES TO SPUR DEVELOPMENT OR SPUR IMPROVEMENTS IN THE COMMERCIAL NODES, ADVOCATE FOR ADDITIONAL POLICY CHANGES THAT COULD INCREASE VIBRANCY OF THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT TO ADD AND INCORPORATE PUBLIC SPACES AND GREEN SPACES ADJACENT TO COMMERCIAL NODES AND MITIGATE BUSINESS DISPLACEMENT THROUGH SMALL BUSINESS OUTREACH. THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL STUDY THAT I JUST MENTIONED COMPLETED IN 2016 GUIDED OUR FOCUS TO THREE PRIMARY NODES AND THEN IDENTIFIED A NUMBER OF FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES BASED ON THE CRITERIA AND RATING MATRIX THAT I MENTIONED. SO SINCE THEN THERE'S BEEN QUITE A BIT OF EFFORT DONE KIND OF AS IN SEPARATE PROGRAMS BY A NUMBER OF DEPARTMENTS AND VARIOUS STAFF THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND THIS IS REALLY THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY WE'VE HAD TO PRESENT IT ALL IN A COHESIVE, COLLECTED MANNER LOOKING AT HOW HOW IT IMPACTS COMMERCIAL NODES AND WHERE GAPS MIGHT EXIST. THIS IS JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF A FEW THINGS WE'VE DONE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT INCLUDING LETTERS MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS AND BUSINESSES. THERE IS AN ACTIVE LET'S TALK BLOOMINGTON PAGE COMMUNICATION WITH THE REAL ESTATE COMMUNITY AMONG OTHERS. THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF BUSINESS ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS DEVELOPED. I'LL GO INTO MORE DETAIL ABOUT THAT. IN ADDITION, THE REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT TEAM FROM THE PORT AUTHORITY HAS USED TAX INCREMENT FINANCING AND ASSISTED WITH THE ASSISTED OF A THIRD PARTY GRANTS IN A NUMBER OF CASES. ADDITIONALLY CREATIVE PLACEMAKING TEAM HAS DONE A NUMBER OF SITE ACTIVATIONS ARTWORK INSTALLATIONS ETC. AT SOME OF THESE LOCATIONS AND PLAN TO DO QUITE A BIT MORE AND CERTAINLY THE PLANNING TEAM HAS BEEN A BIG HELP ASSISTING WITH THE CREATION OF THE DESIRED CHARACTERISTICS MATRIX ALSO IN YOUR PACKET AND THE SOME RECENT REZONING AND ZONING CODE CHANGES SUCH AS THE SMALL BUSINESS ZONING CODE CHANGES THAT JUST THAT COUNCIL SAW EARLIER THIS WEEK . SO AS I MENTIONED PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAD ASSISTED TO CREATE A VISION DOCUMENT WHICH OUTLINES SOME OF THE MORE QUALITATIVE ELEMENTS THAT CAN MAKE A COMMERCIAL NODE SUCCESSFUL. THESE CHARACTERISTICS WERE CREATED WITH PUBLIC INPUT THROUGH THE LET'S TALK BLOOMINGTON PAGE AND MAILED OUT TO ALL COMMERCIAL NODE PROPERTY OWNERS WITH A REQUEST FOR FEEDBACK. THESE CHARACTERISTICS FORM A VISION OF WHAT A SUCCESSFUL AND WELCOMING COMMERCIAL NODE COULD LOOK LIKE AND CAN BE USED BY STAFF FROM PLANNING CREATIVE PLACEMAKING BUSINESS ASSISTANCE AND OTHERS. THE REDEVELOPMENT STRATEGIES DOCUMENT IN YOUR PACKET HOWEVER HAS SOME GRAPHIC EXAMPLES OF A FEW OF THESE CHARACTERISTICS FOR REFERENCE A LITTLE MORE DETAIL HERE ON SOME BUSINESS ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS THAT HAVE BEEN RECENTLY IMPLEMENTED THE SITE AND FACADE IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM WAS HAD A VERY SUCCESSFUL YEAR FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 2024 WHEN IT WAS IMPLEMENTED IN 2024 AND OVER $223,000 WAS AWARDED TO TEN BUSINESSES THERE AND FOR 2025 BASED ON THE SUCCESS OF YOUR PRIOR THE PROGRAM IS OPEN AGAIN AND THE SEWER ACCESS CHARGE WE HAVE A GRANT AND A DEFERRAL PROGRAM SO NEARLY $50,000 WAS AWARDED TO SIX BUSINESSES IN 2020 FOR AND AGAIN THE SMALL BUSINESS CODES AND PROCESSES REVIEW WAS ONGOING JUST RECENTLY HAVING A NUMBER OF THESE ITEMS GO BEFORE CITY COUNCIL THIS WEEK THE PORT AUTHORITY HAS USED SEVERAL TOOLS INCLUDING TAX INCREMENT FINANCING GRANTS AND LAND BANKING TO ACHIEVE DESIRED OUTCOMES WHILE SUCH OPTIONS SUCH AS LAND BANKING MAY HAVE A LITTLE BIT LIMITED USE IN THIS CASE AND REQUIRE A BIT MORE STUDY OTHER ELEMENTS INCLUDING SOME GRANTS FROM MINNESOTA DEED AND HAVE IN COUNTY AS WELL AS TIFF DOLLARS HAS BEEN USED FOR RECENT PROJECTS SUCH AS THE ACROPOLIS EXPANSION IN ORDER TO BETTER TARGET NEEDS AND UNDERSTAND THE BROAD SCOPE OF ASSISTANCE PROVIDED STAFF HAS CREATED THIS MATRIX TO SHOW HOW THE VARIOUS TOOLS AND RESOURCES ARE USED TO TARGET THE OUTCOMES. WE ENVISION FOUR CATEGORIES MOVING LEFT TO RIGHT BREAK DOWN THE PROJECT SCOPE FROM A SHORT TERM AND LOWER INVESTMENT PROJECTS SUCH AS ASSISTANCE WITH A RIBBON CUTTING CEREMONY TO VERY LONG TERM AND HIGHLY CAPITAL INTENSIVE PROJECTS LIKE A FULL SCALE REDEVELOPMENT COST COMPLEXITY NUMBER OF STAKEHOLDERS AND STAFF TIME TYPICALLY INCREASED QUITE SIGNIFICANTLY AS YOU MOVE ALONG THAT SPECTRUM. THIS IS INTENDED TO HELP ALIGN TOOLS WITH STRATEGIC GOALS BUT WE ALWAYS RECOGNIZE THIS WILL EVOLVE AND SHIFT AS NEEDS CHANGE. IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THESE OPTIONS EXIST TODAY AND THESE PROGRAMS ARE DUE TO THE HARD WORK OF MANY STAFF MEMBERS AND VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE CITY AND SUPPORT FROM OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS. SO I HAVE FOUR CASE STUDIES HERE TO QUICKLY HIGHLIGHT JUST SOME KIND OF EXAMPLES OF THESE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS OR EXCUSE ME THESE DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROJECTS AND DIFFERENT SCOPES AND SCALES OF THE WORK THAT WE HAVE SEEN COME THROUGH . OUR FIRST ONE HERE IS THE WILDERNESS INQUIRY WAS A GRAND OPENING JUST A FEW MONTHS BACK. STAFF PROVIDED A RIBBON AND SCISSORS FOR THE RIBBON CUTTING AND COORDINATED FOR THE MAYOR TO ATTEND AND YOU KNOW THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF MAYBE ONE OF THESE QUICKER PROJECTS A LITTLE BIT MORE LOWER EFFORT COMPARED TO OTHERS. ONCE AGAIN HAS A GREAT IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY, A GREAT IMPACT ON THE BUSINESS BUT YOU KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE SHORT TERM IMPACT MOVING ONE STEP FURTHER WE HAVE A PROJECT LIKE THE GRAYBAR KOSKY GROUP THAT WAS A KIND OF RENOVATION OF AN OLD DRY CLEANING SPACE THAT IS NOW A BEAUTIFUL OFFICE FOR EXTERIOR REMODEL ASSISTED IN PART BY THE SITE AND FACADE IMPROVEMENT GRANT OF ABOUT $25,000 AND THAT WAS ABOUT FIVE MONTHS FROM START TO FINISH AND THAT'S A SUM OF THE DOLLAR AMOUNT AND TIME FRAME IS KIND OF IMPORTANT AS WE LOOK THROUGH THESE ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO THINK ABOUT WHAT OUR GOAL IS AND MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING REALISTIC. SO I INCLUDED THE TIME FRAMES AS WELL AS THE PROJECT DOLLAR AMOUNTS FOR ALL THESE EXAMPLES A GREAT BEFORE AND AFTER PICTURE. IT REALLY IS A WONDERFUL PROJECT. MOVING ON ONE ANOTHER STEP AHEAD AS THE YOUR APPLE THIS RESTAURANT PROJECT I'M SURE YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THIS IS AN EXISTING RESTAURANT PARCEL THAT WAS COMBINED WITH AN OLD DERELICT GAS STATION COMPLETE EXPANSION AND REMODEL OF THE OLD RESTAURANT AND INCLUDED SOME ENVIRONMENTAL CLEANUP AND A LOT OF SITE WORK TO COMPLETE THAT PROJECT OVER THE COURSE OF ABOUT FOUR YEARS A NUMBER OF SOURCES AND RESOURCES WENT INTO THIS INCLUDING ANOTHER SITE AND FACADE IMPROVEMENT GRANT AND ABOUT $25,000 SAT CREDIT OF NEARLY 15,000 A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TAX INCREMENT FINANCING AND A GRANT FROM MINNESOTA DID ABOUT 60,000 AS YOU CAN SEE JUST IN TERMS OF THE PROJECT CT AND THE RESOURCES THAT WENT INTO THAT PUBLIC ASSISTANCE FOR THAT PROJECT IS JUST ABOUT 20% AGAIN, GREAT BEFORE AND AFTER. AND FINALLY AN EXAMPLE FROM OUTSIDE OUR COMMUNITY THIS IS THE EXCELSIOR AND GRAND PROJECT AND ST LOUIS PARK ARE A FEW YEARS OLD AT THIS POINT BUT IF ANY OF YOU SPEND TIME THERE YOU NOTES IT'S A PRETTY PRETTY GREAT PLACE AND REALLY IS A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT FROM WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE IT. IT WAS A FAIRLY LOW DENSITY, VERY SINGLE STORY, FAIRLY BLIGHTED COMMERCIAL AREA AND NOW HOSTS OVER 86,000FT OF RETAIL SPACE, OVER 300 APARTMENTS AND 300 FOR SALE UNITS. IT DID ADD QUITE A BIT OF GREEN SPACE MAKING THAT A REALLY EXCELLENT PLACE TO SPEND TIME ESPECIALLY IN SUMMER. THIS TOOK APPROXIMATELY 12 YEARS FROM START TO FINISH WITH MULTIPLE STARTS AND STOPS DUE TO SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THEY WERE FACING. AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE ESPECIALLY AROUND 2008. SO PROJECT COST HERE OBVIOUSLY SIGNIFICANTLY MORE ALL THE INVESTMENT SOURCES YOU KNOW SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN SOME OF THE OTHER EXAMPLES I WILL NOTE THAT THE PRICES OR THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS LISTED HERE AS ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION SO THIS IS ROUGHLY EQUIVALENT TO EARLY $2,010 WHEN THAT PROJECT WAS COMPLETED AND AGAIN SIMILAR PUBLIC ASSISTANCE AS A PERCENT OF PROJECT AS THE ACROPOLIS THAT WE JUST SAW. AND HERE'S KIND OF A QUICK BEFORE AND AFTER. >> SO WITH THAT I AM HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. LIKE I SAID, THE PURPOSE OF US COMING TO YOU TODAY WAS REALLY GET SOME SOME FEEDBACK AND SOME DIRECTION I'VE PRESENTED TO THE PORT AUTHORITY AND CITY COUNCIL ALREADY AND KIND OF GATHERED FROM THEM. BOTH OF THEM HAD RECOMMENDED THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS SOME ROLE TO PLAY IN THIS AND SO CERTAINLY WELCOME ANY ANY FEEDBACK AND INPUT YOU GUYS HAVE TONIGHT. >> THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU. I GUESS WE'LL JUST TACKLE THESE QUESTIONS IN ORDER. SO DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SPOT? COMMISSIONER CURRY, THANKS. SURE. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE MAP OF LOCATIONS ? IT'S OKAY. I JUST WANT TO SEE THEM OUT. YOU CAN WASH YOUR COOKED. I GOT TO SAY, MADAM CHAIR, I LIVED IN BLOOMINGTON FOR TEN YEARS. I HAVE NEVER BEEN AMAZED I DIDN'T RIDGE I HAD TO LOOK UP ON A MAP WHAT THAT WAS MR. SPAN WHAT WERE YOU TALK ABOUT? I HAVE STRETCHES A CHAIR MR. COOK JUNIOR I WILL ALSO ADMIT I DON'T KNOW TOO MUCH ABOUT IT EITHER. I DON'T VENTURE TO THAT SIDE OF TOWN VERY OFTEN. IT'S JUST A STUDY SESSION JUST TO COME IN HERE. MR. CURRY THANKS CHAIR. I THINK THERE'S AN EL LAURO THERE IS ALSO A MCDONALD'S THERE WHICH I COULDN'T BELIEVE. IF YOU ASK HOW MANY MCDONALD'S ARE GOING TO I WOULD NEVER COME UP WITH THAT ONE. YEP, I THINK THAT'S IT. GOOD SPOT. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER ISSA THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR IS 98 ALLENDALE NOT WELL IT'S IT'S NOT PART OF ACCORDING TO THE MAPS. BUT YOU KNOW WHY THAT IS IT JUST ALREADY NICE GENERALLY GERALD RIGHT COMMISSIONER IS SO THAT IS GENERALLY SO THAT 2016 NEIGHBORHOOD STUDY THAT WAS IN YOUR PACKET RATED ALL OF THE COMMERCIAL NODES BASED ON SOME CRITERIA SO JUST A FEW YOU KNOW LISTED IT'S THEY HAVE TO BE AT LEAST FIVE ACRES SO THAT MAKES IT AN ACTUAL NODE VERSUS MAYBE JUST A STANDALONE DEVELOPMENT AND IT MUST BE COMMERCIAL ZONED. YOU KNOW IF YOU'RE NOT COMMERCIAL YOU PROBABLY DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT COMMERCIAL NODE ELEMENT. THERE ARE A FEW AREAS AND I THINK THE ONE YOU'RE LOOKING AT YES 90TH AND LYNDALE HAD SOME RECENT HRA INVESTMENT AT THE TIME IN 2016 SO IT WAS GENERALLY CONSIDERED TO BE ALREADY MODERN AND AND RENOVATED FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS STUDY. MR. CHAIR, IF I CAN JUST ADD TO THAT THE 2016 STUDY ALSO EVALUATED STRUCTURES BY THEIR YEAR OF CONSTRUCT SSION AND POTENTIAL ASSEMBLY OPPORTUNITIES AND SOME OTHER CRITERIA. BUT IF YOU'RE WONDERING KIND OF WHAT THE PRIORITIES LISTED ON THE MAP IT CAME FROM THAT 2016 STUDY. SO JUST TO MAKE THAT CLEAR CERTAINLY THERE'S OTHER COMMERCIAL AREAS OF BLOOMINGTON THAT YOU KNOW WHERE SOME INTERVENTION OR SOME DEVELOPMENT COULD BE A POSITIVE THING IS JUST THESE WERE THE ONES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AS WERE SOME BUT FOR SOME PUBLIC INTERVENTION IT COULD HELP FACILITATE SOME IMPROVEMENTS. SO THAT MAKES SENSE. I HAVE A QUESTION ARE THESE RANKED IN ANY PARTICULAR ORDER OR ARE THEY JUST THROWN UP THERE AND UNDER THESE BUCKETS OF PRIMARY AND FUTURE? CHAIR ALL RIGHT. JUST JUST RANKED IN THE PRIMARY AND FUTURE IT'S ACTUALLY THREE RANKINGS. THERE'S THERE'S A PRIMARY SECONDARY AND TERTIARY FOR THE PURPOSES OF WHAT I'M PRESENTING TONIGHT AFTER THE TWO. ALL RIGHT. IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND GOING BACK TO YOUR QUESTIONS WILL TACKLE THE NEXT QUESTION WHAT DID YOU THINK OF THE DESIRED CHARACTERISTICS OF COMMERCIAL NODES? ARE THERE ANY OTHER ELEMENTS OR INSPIRATIONS WE SHOULD CONSIDER IF THAT'S COMMISSIONER COOKED IN YOU I GUESS IS A STUDY SESSION SO IT'S JUST KIND OF A LOOSE COMMENT RELATED TO THE QUESTION BUT LIKE IN IT WAS SORT OF MENTIONED SOMEWHERE IN THE STAFF REPORT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DRIVES ME CRAZY ABOUT OUR CITY CODE THAT'S UNIQUE TO OUR CITY CODE IS THIS THING ABOUT PLAN DEVELOPMENTS NEED TO HAVE THE SAME FACADE TYPE AND I BROUGHT THIS UP LIKE FIVE TIMES BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT WHATEVER WE CALL THAT CENTER WITH FESTIVAL AND IT'S ALL BRICK AND THEN I THINK THAT'S BANK OF AMERICA CAME IN AND HAD A PROPOSAL FOR THIS PRETTY LITTLE JEWELRY BOX OF THE BANK AND WE SAID NO, SORRY, IT'S GOT TO LOOK OLD LIKE THE REST OF THESE BUILDINGS AND I THINK THAT JUST HOLDS US BACK LIKE WE HAVE THIS THING WHERE WE SAY ACTUALLY WE NEED YOU TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THE OTHER OLD BUILDINGS THAT ARE OVER HERE AND I HATE IT LIKE I UNDERSTAND ARCHITECTURAL LIKE SYNCHRONIZATION AND LIKE WHATEVER BUT WE HAVE GOT TO CHANGE THAT IN OUR CODE AND LIKE IT THAT'S BOTHERING ME THE ENTIRE TIME I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION. WE HAVE GOT TO CHANGE THAT. IT'S IT'S DETRIMENTAL TO THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. >> I WAS A PRETTY BIG FAN OF THAT BRICK BUT COMMISSIONER CURRY MAKES SURE YEAH I WOULD AGREE. I MEAN I THINK THAT'S A SIMPLE THING THAT WHERE YOU CAN ADD CHARACTER OR PROVIDE MORE FLEXIBILITY TO A DEVELOPMENT RATHER THAN MAKING IT APPEAR TO BE ONE GIGANTIC STRIP MALL. SO YOU KNOW IN TERMS OF THE DESIRED CHARACTERISTICS, I THINK THE BIGGEST THING FOR THE FOR NOTE IS JUST THE LIMITED CAR TRAFFIC. SO BUT I'VE ALSO SEEN THE CITY BEING RESISTANT TO LIMITING THE NUMBER OF LANES. I THINK WE JUST SAW THAT AT SOUTH TOWN DEVELOPMENT WHERE CROSS ANDERSON WANTED LESS SPACE FOR FOUR LANES IN THE PARKING LOT AND THE CITY WAS RESISTANT AGAINST THAT. SO I MEAN TO ME THAT'S JUST THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST THGS THAT CAN THE CITY CAN DO WITHOUT WITHOUT MUCH COST COMMERCIAL CONTENT. YES. SORT OF BUILDING OF THEM. MADAM CHAIR, WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME AT THIS COMMERCIAL NOISE IS GETTING THE BUILDINGS CLOSER TO THE STREET AND THAT'S ON US AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO PUT OUR FOOT DOWN WHEN AN APPLICATION AND ASK FOR THAT VARIANCE AND I KNOW I'M THE ONLY PERSON IN THE ENTIRE CITY THAT WAS AGAINST THE PLUS EXPANSION BUT THAT DID NOT MEET THE GOALS OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TO MAXIMIZE THESE COMMERCIAL NODES. LIKE I GET IT EVERYONE LOVES THEIR FOOD. IT'S GOOD BUT IT'S A GIANT PARKING LOT IN FRONT OF A ONE STORY BUILDING THAT IS NOT BEFORE THAT IS NOT GOING TO SPUR OTHER DEVELOPMENT THERE LIKE IF WE'RE GOING TO IF OUR LONG TERM COMP PLAN WE ZONE SOMETHING OR WE GUIDE SOMETHING AS HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL OR ZONING BEFORE OR WHATEVER WE HAVE TO STICK TO IT AND NOT JUST BY SOMEBODY SOMEBODY WANTS US WE'LL CAVE ON THIS ONE BUT THAT CAN BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE ENTIRE INTERSECTION WHEN WE WHEN WE DO THAT AND NOW AT 90TH OR SORRY 90TH AND PENN WE'VE GOT JUST THIS GIANT PARKING LOT AND IT'S LIKE JUST KIND OF THE SAME AS WHAT IT WAS EXCEPT A BIGGER RESTAURANT AND FOR ME THAT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE DISAPPOINTING. SO GETTING BUILDINGS ON THE STREET LIKE WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOUTH MINNEAPOLIS AND THERE ARE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, THERE ARE LITTLE COMMERCIAL NODES THAT EVERYBODY LOVES AND WHY THEY LIVE IN MINNEAPOLIS OR NOT HERE IS BECAUSE LIKE THEY HAVE STORE FRONTAGE AND IT'S ALL CLOSE TO THE STREET AND IT'S WALKABLE AND IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE OURS DOES AND SO WE NEED TO GET THESE BUILDINGS CLOSER TO THE STREET AND MAKE THEM MORE WALKABLE. COMMISSIONER CURRIE THANKS CHAIR YEAH, I ALSO COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK SOUTH LOOP IS PROBABLY A GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHERE WE COULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING BUT YOU KNOW THE ZONING OR WHAT I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFIC SETBACKS AND BASICALLY YOU ENDED UP WITH THIS GIGANTIC 300 UNIT APARTMENT BUILDINGS WITH NO RETAIL SO YOU GOT TO KEEP IT. I MEAN IT'S GOT TO PEOPLE JUST LIKE THESE SMALLER RETAIL SPACES THAT ARE WALKABLE AND CAN BE ACCESSED BY BIKES OR EASILY ACCESSIBLE AND AGAIN GOING BACK TO KIND OF TRAFFIC I GUESS I MEAN BLOOMINGTON IS NOT A BIKE SAFE CITY LIKE I WOULD NOT RIDE A BIKE DOWN MOST OF THE ROADS THAT GO EAST TO US AND BLOOMINGTON AND BLOOMINGTON AS AN EAST WEST TOWN. SO IT MAKES IT I THINK THAT MAKES IT HARD FOR PEOPLE TO WANT TO GET OUT AND GO TO A SPECIFIC AREA AND WALK AROUND AND BE ACTIVE DURING THE DAY AND SPEND MONEY COMING YOUR WAY. MADAM CHAIR YEAH, I JUST WANT TO ECHO I THINK THESE REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES THESE ARE OUR BEST OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE THESE LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS THAT THAT PROMOTE NEIGHBORHOOD LIVING AND WALKABILITY AND GET PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR CARS WHICH I GET DIFFICULT TO DO IN FEBRUARY IN MINNESOTA BUT SO YOU DO STILL HAVE TO HAVE SOME ACCESSIBILITY TO VEHICLES BUT YOU KNOW, WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THIS WHEN I WAS ON THE SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION IS HOW DO YOU MAKE THE CITY MORE WALKER FRIENDLY AND AND HOW DO YOU CREATE MORE OF A SENSE OF NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE DON'T HAVE THE TRADITIONAL DOWNTOWN DRAW THESE NEIGHBORHOOD NODES ARE THE WAY WE CREATE OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEY'RE THE OUR OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE THE HEART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO I THINK THAT I LIKE A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT I SEE ON THESE CHARACTERISTICS AND I THINK EMPHASIZING THAT MIXED USE AND EMPHASIZING THE WALKABILITY AND EMPHASIZING GATHERING SPACES AND MAKING THEM, YOU KNOW, VISUALLY ATTRACTIVE AND PLACES THAT YOU CAN HANG OUT SAFELY AND AND YOU CAN FEEL SAFE AS A SINGLE FEMALE OR A FAMILY WITH SMALL CHILDREN OR YOU KNOW, ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO TO BE OUT AND ABOUT AND IN PUBLIC CAN FEEL SAFE AND WANT TO SPEND TIME THERE I THINK IS AN ADMIRABLE GOAL AND I THINK A LOT OF THESE CHARACTERISTICS ADD TO THAT. AND SO I I'M ENCOURAGED BY THAT. I DO THINK THAT THAT IT WOULD BE DISAPPOINTING TO PUT ALL OF THIS EFFORT IN AND TO END UP WITH JUST A BETTER FACADE ON A STRIP MALL AND I HOPE THAT THAT'S NOT WHERE THIS ENDS UP AND I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT ANYONE IS ADVOCATING FOR. BUT I THINK WE ALL WOULD BE EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED IF THAT'S WHERE THIS ALL ENDED UP . SO I AM ENCOURAGED BY A LOT OF THE SUSTAINABILITY EFFORTS THAT I DO SEE ON HERE. I HOPE THAT THOSE WILL CONTINUE TO BE HIGHLIGHTED AND I, I APPRECIATE THE INTEREST IN COMMUNITY BUILDING AND AND HAVING SPACE FOR COMMUNITY. I THINK THAT'S ALSO INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT. SO I APPRECIATE SEEING THAT ON HERE I, I ALSO AGREE I'M HESITANT ABOUT REQUIRING A LEVEL OF MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT HORIZONTAL OR I'M MORE PRONE TO HORIZONTAL MIXED USES AND THAT IT CAN MORE LIKELY BE DONE OR COMPLETED. I JUST KNOW THAT THE RETAIL SPACE UNDERNEATH MULTIFAMILY IS REALLY HARD TO SELL MY I THINK WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE NODES THE THING THAT STOOD OUT TO ME WAS HOW QUICKLY PEOPLE MOVE THROUGH THOSE CORRIDORS AND HOW CAN WE SLOW DOWN THE PEOPLE THAT MOVE THROUGH SO QUICKLY AND YOU'RE USING THAT AS A WAY TO GET FROM A TO B RATHER THAN A PLACE TO STOP UM, I THINK ABOUT THAT. I MEAN I LIVE PRETTY CLOSE TO OLD CHUCK B AND OLD CEDAR AND IT IS A PEOPLE GO 50 MILES AN HOUR PLUS ON OLD CHUCK B IN THAT AREA TRYING TO GO AROUND CARS THERE RIGHT NOW THEY'RE TRYING TO GET AROUND FOR 94 ON THE CONSTRUCTION THERE SO THERE IS A LOT OF BACK UP ON ALL TRUCK P AND I THINK THAT PEOPLE USE THAT SHORTCUT ALL THE TIME AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S REALLY A SHORTCUT BUT THERE'S NO THERE THERE FOR OLD CHUCK P AND OLD CEDAR AND I DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY WHAT MAKES THAT BUT I THINK ABOUT LIKE LINDEN HILLS AND SOUTH MINNEAPOLIS YOU'RE SURE IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET FROM EDINA TO HOLLYWOOD RICHFIELD YOU'RE NOT CUTTING THROUGH LINDEN HILLS THAT'S GOING TO TAKE YOU A OF A LOT LONGER. SO WHAT'S GOING TO TAKE YOU A SHORTER PERIOD OR LONGER PERIOD OF TIME TO REALLY ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO STOP OR UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD IT'S NOT IT'S NOT THE THOROUGHFARE. UH, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? ANY COMMERCIAL HURRY. THANKS. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SAY IT'S MY LAST THOUGHT BECAUSE I'VE DONE THAT BEFORE. I JUST KEEP GOING BACK TO I KEEP THINKING BACK TO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT SOUTH LOOP AND ABOUT CONNECTING IT INTO TRAILS AND GETTING NEW TRAFFIC ON BIKES OR ON FOOT FROM THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS LIKE BLOOMINGTON AS A TOWN THAT THERE'S REALLY LIKE UNLESS YOU'RE IN BLOOMINGTON LIKE YOU DON'T DRIVE THROUGH BLOOMINGTON REALLY RIGHT? YOU YOU CAN DRIVE THROUGH YOUR DINER OR SOUTH MINNEAPOLIS TO GO DOWNTOWN OR SAINT LOUIS PARK OR WHATEVER BUT YOU GO TO BLOOMINGTON THEN YOU HIT A RIVER SO YOU ARE ONLY GOING THROUGH BLOOMINGTON I SUPPOSE IF YOU'RE TRYING TO AVOID TRAFFIC ON THE HIGHWAY. SO I JUST THINK HAVING I MEAN IF IF WE CAN GET IF THERE'S SOME SORT OF MORE AGAIN PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY CORRIDOR OR BIKE FRIENDLY CORRIDOR WHERE YOU PICK TWO OF THESE AND TIME TOGETHER WE HAVE 100,000 PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE TOWN SO I DON'T SEE WHY YOU CAN'T DO SOMETHING THAT KIND OF TIES SOME SPECIFIC AREAS TOGETHER AND GETS PEOPLE OUT TO ACTUALLY THINK ABOUT THE CORRIDORS OR THESE NODES DIFFERENTLY. LIKE RIGHT NOW YOU'RE SAYING THE NODE IS SOMETHING YOU JUST FLY THROUGH AND YOU DON'T THINK ABOUT. IT'S LIKE YEAH NOBODY'S THINKING ABOUT THIS. IF YOU ACTUALLY WERE HAVING A NICE YOU KNOW, A NICE TIME THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE AREA. YOU START THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY. SO I DON'T KNOW. I JUST THINK THAT ACTIVATION IS IS SUPER KEY WHERE WE CAN TACKLE ANY SORRY WE CAN TACKLE ANY OF THESE QUESTIONS IN ANY ORDER. I KNOW WE'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT HOW PLANNING COMMISSION MAY BE INVOLVED. ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT TOOLS? ARE WE MISSING ANY TOOLS? COMMISSIONER ISA UH JUST TO KIND OF ADD ON I THINK HAVING LIKE MORE INTERACT ACTIVE PEDESTRIAN PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY INTERACTIVE LIKE THINGS AND YOU KNOW IT'S LIKE I DON'T KNOW I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS SEEN THERE'S LIKE A LOT OF LIKE THESE BOOK LITTLE MINI LIBRARIES ON PEOPLE'S YARDS POPPING UP LIKE LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT AND JUST COMING UP WITH IDEAS OF LIKE YOU KNOW YOU KNOW COMING UP WITH IDEAS THAT ENGAGE PEDESTRIANS BASICALLY AND BICYCLISTS AND YEAH I THINK ONE OF THE DOWNFALLS OF PAN AMERICAN IS THAT IT'S THE BUILDINGS ARE CLOSER TO THE STREET BUT THEY'RE NOT ACTIVATED AT THE STREET LEVEL AND IT'S STILL CONSIDERED A WAY FROM EAST TO WEST AND IT'S STILL PEOPLE ZOOM FROM EAST TO WEST IN THAT AREA AND SO I THINK THE INTENT IS GREAT BUT I THINK IF WE DON'T GET THE IF WE DON'T GET THE TRANSPORTATION DOWN, WE CAN'T CREATE A FEEL THERE THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR COMES YOUR WAY. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I MEAN I THINK THERE'S THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE TO ME BETWEEN THE ATMOSPHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO CREATE AT PENN AND AMERICAN AND THE ATMOSPHERE AT 90TH AND PENN. AND I CAN SAY THAT BECAUSE THAT'S MY NEIGHBORHOOD. I LIVE SMACK DAB IN THE MIDDLE BETWEEN 90TH AND 90TH AND PENN AND AND PENN AND AMERICAN AND I GO IN EITHER DIRECTION FOR VERY DIFFERENT REASONS. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT. I MEAN YOU WANT TO HAVE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS KNOWN FOR DIFFERENT THINGS AND DIFFERENT AREAS SERVE DIFFERENT NEEDS AND I THINK THAT'S GOOD AND THAT'S RIGHT. AND I THINK YOU KNOW, PENN IN AMERICAN IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF A PLACE WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO GET OFF THE BUS AND YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO THE SHOP OR YOU'RE GOING TO DRIVE IN WITH YOUR CAR AND YOU'RE GOING TO YOU KNOW, GET OUT AND GO TO THE RESTAURANT AND IT'S NOT PARTICULARLY PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY IN MY MIND BUT IT IS TRANSIT FRIENDLY AND IT IS HOP OFF THE HIGHWAY FRIENDLY AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT KIND OF BEING OUR FRONT PORCH. I THINK SOME OF THESE OTHER NODES HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BE THE BACK PORCH TO BE THE THE COZIER PARTS OF BLOOMINGTON WHERE IT'S LESS INTENSE. IT'S LIKE YOU SAID LESS TRAFFIC HEAVY AND I THINK UNFORTUNATELY RIGHT NOW OLD SHOT COPY IS NOT I DON'T SEE THAT THAT IS A THOROUGHFARE. I MEAN THAT IS THE OTHER THAT'S THE SOUTH END WAY TO GET THROUGH BLOOMINGTON AND SO YOU'VE GOT AMERICAN AND NORTH YOU GOT OLD CHUCK THE ON THE SOUTH AND UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T SEE THAT CHANGING I THINK THERE'S THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE TO IMPROVE IT YOU KNOW BETTER BIKE ACCESS CERTAINLY YOU'VE GOT GOOD YOU KNOW BETTER CHANCES TO IMPROVE TRANSIT BUT IT'S NEVER GOING TO BE A LEISURELY PATH THROUGH BLOOMINGTON. THERE'S JUST TOO BIG A NEED TO GET PEOPLE FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER BUT SOME OF THESE OTHER PLACES THAT DOESN'T THAT'S NOT THE SAME ATMOSPHERE. SO I THINK THERE IS OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THEM THAT, YOU KNOW, COZIER NEIGHBORHOOD HUB THAT YOU KNOW THAT IT IT'S IRONICALLY THE BIG CITY FEEL IT'S THE YOU KNOW THE CUTE RESTAURANT AND LITTLE SHOPS THAT YOU WALK UP TO WITH YOUR WITH YOUR DOG AND YOUR KID AND YOU SPEND THE STROLL AROUND CHECKING THINGS OUT AND GETTING ICE CREAM AND HAVE DINNER AND MAYBE GO BACK THAT EVENING AND HEAR LIVE MUSIC AT THE RESTAURANT ON THE CORNER THAT KIND OF ATMOSPHERE AND AND THAT WOULD BE AMAZING TO HAVE EVEN A COUPLE OF THOSE IN BLOOMINGTON. SO I THINK YOU KNOW, IT'S OKAY THAT THEY'RE NOT ALL THE SAME AND I HOPE WE CAN FIND SOME WAYS TO NOT MAKE THE MALL COOKIE CUTTER AND TO MAKE THEM EACH HAVE A UNIQUE FEEL TO THEM AND MEET THE NEEDS OF THAT PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD AND KEEP PEOPLE IN BLOOMINGTON SO WE DON'T ALL HAVE TO GO OUTSIDE OF BLOOMINGTON TO SATISFY THAT NEED. COME ON, SHACKLETON THANKS MAN. I'M SURE YOU KNOW OLD SHOT GEOGRAPHY AN OLD CEDAR. I CAN TELL YOU THE FIRST THING WE GOT TO DO THERE IS GET RID OF THESE CURB LOCKS ON OLD YOU WILL. AND I'VE BEEN JUST SHOUTING THIS FOR YEARS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION BUT I KNOW IT'S A COUNTY ROAD BUT THE CITY HAS GOT TO STEP UP AND TELL HANOVER COUNTY NO MORE. WE HAVE GOT TO ADDRESS THIS AND I TOLD THIS STORY 4 OR 5 TIMES AND I'M GOING TO TELL IT AGAIN BECAUSE IT WAS SUPER IMPACTFUL AND I WAS AT THE MINNESOTA EPA CONFERENCE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND ANOTHER CITY UP NORTH HAD A SIMILAR PROBLEM TO THIS WHERE WELL AND IT'S NO ONE'S REALLY IN SOMEBODY'S COURT AND WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THIS TRAFFIC PROBLEM THAT THEY HAD . AND THEN SO THIS WENT ON FOR LIKE YEARS. THEY COULDN'T FIX THIS TRAFFIC PROBLEM AND THEN A GIRL ON HER BICYCLE IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL GOT HIT BY A SEMI AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN EVERYBODY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO WAIT FOR TO GET RID OF THE CURB WALKS ON OLD CHALK ABBEY ROAD FOR A KID TO GET HIT WITH A WITH THIS BY A SEMI WITH THEIR BICYCLE OR ARE WE GOING TO ADDRESS THIS NOW BEFORE SOMETHING REALLY TRAGIC HAPPENS? IT IS A TICKING TIME BOMB HAVING PEOPLE WALK THAT CLOSE TO TRAFFIC. WE HAVE GOT TO ADDRESS THIS AND THE CITY NEEDS TO STEP UP AND TELL HENNEPIN COUNTY WE'RE NOT DOING THIS ANYMORE. YOU GOT TO FIX THIS. I AGREE WITH THAT . >> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER FEEDBACK QUESTIONS, MR. JOHNSON THANK YOU, CHAIR, FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO JUST ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WERE SAID. SO JUST JUST FROM THE PLANNING DIVISION STANDPOINT, I WON'T SPEAK FOR HENNEPIN COUNTY OR ANYWAY A COUPLE OF THINGS I WROTE DOWN THAT ARE ACTIONABLE MORE IN THE NEAR TERM JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING THERE IS A LOT OF GOOD CONVERSATION AROUND THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE IMPORTANT TO THAT ARE REFLECTED IN THE NEXT ITERATION OF THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO AS WE'RE BUILDING TOWARDS THE 2050 PLAN, THAT PROCESS WILL START LATER THIS YEAR. 2026 AND 2027 ARE REALLY BE THE KEYSTONE YEAR OF THE COMP PLAN. SO IF THERE ARE SOME ELEMENTS THAT YOU DON'T THINK ARE PROPERLY REFLECTED IN THE CURRENT FORWARD 2040 PLAN, I MEAN YOU DEFINITELY ARE GOING TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ELEMENTS OF THE VISION AS YOU SEE IT ARE REFLECTED IN THAT PLAN. SO THAT'S ONE COMMENT I WOULD MAKE. THE OTHER COMMENT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE AND THIS IS MORE SPECIFIC BUT IF THE I TEND NOT TO DISAGREE ON THE POINT AROUND ARCHITECTURAL UNITY AND PLAN DEVELOPMENTS THAT IS KIND OF A LONG STANDING AND I KNOW THAT MIGHT RUFFLE SOME PEOPLE OR MAYBE NOT EVERYONE AGREE ON THAT. JUST TO NOTE THAT AMENDING A PROVISION LIKE THAT IS A GOOD USE OF OUR MISCELLANEOUS ISSUES ORDINANCE. SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTED TO SEE AMENDED WE CAN CERTAINLY ADD IT TO THAT LIST AND THEN YOU CAN FORMALLY CONSIDER IT IN A PUBLIC HEARING TYPE SETTING AS WELL AS STUDY SESSION AND THAT WAY YOU'LL KNOW HOW MANY MEMBERS EITHER SUPPORT KEEPING THAT PROVISION OR MOVING FORWARD IN A DIFFERENT PATH. SO THOSE ARE JUST THE TWO THINGS I WANTED TO WRITE DOWN IN TERMS OF ACTIONABLE RELATED TO THE BROADER CONVERSATION. GREAT COMMISSIONER COOKTOWN MADAM CHAIR, SPEAKING FOR THIS COMMISSIONER I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT ARCHITECTURAL UNITY THING BROUGHT BEFORE US FOR CONSIDERATION. OKEYDOKE. >> ALL RIGHT MR. RESPOND WILL YOU LOOKING FOR ANYTHING ELSE OR DID YOU GET WHAT SHE NEEDED? >> I GOT EVERYTHING I NEED. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE FEEDBACK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. ITEM THREE THIS EVENING IS ALSO A STUDY ITEM WE NEED TO CONSIDER APPROVAL OF OUR 522 2025 DRAFT SYNOPSIS OF OUR MEETING THAT EVENING LOOKING FOR A HAVE MY CHEAT SHEET IN FRONT OF ME COMMISSIONER CURRY AND COMMISSIONER MCGOVERN WERE BOTH ABSENT LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE THAT DRAFT SO I MOVED SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT WE HAVE MOTION AND A SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I, I I OPPOSED ABSTENTIONS ABSTAIN. ALL RIGHT. AND THAT MOTION PASSES AND OUR FINAL ITEM THIS EVENING IS ITEM FOUR. IT IS ALSO A STUDY ITEM THE PLANNING COMMISSION POLICY AND ISSUES UPDATE PLANNING MANAGER JOHNSON, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. THANK YOU, CHAIR ALBRECHT SO JUST AGAIN PREVIEWING YOUR UPCOMING MEETINGS YOU HAVE A MEETING NEXT WEEK ON JUNE THE 12TH FOR THE NORMAN LAKES DISTRICT PLAN UPDATE THERE'S SOME KIND OF FOCUSED TRANSPORTATION STUDY OF THE NORMAN DALE AND 84TH STREET INTERSECTION. THE DISTRICT PLAN CALLS FOR A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE OVER THAT AREA SO JUST REEVALUATING SOME POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS THAT WOULD NOT INVOLVE A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE. SO THEY'VE DONE HAD SRF LOOK AT THAT INTERSECTION FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE AND PRESENT SOME ALTERNATIVES TO YOU FOLLOWING THAT ON JUNE THE 26TH THAT'S WHEN DRILLING OF OUR OWN KENNY NIEMEYER WILL PRESENT THE ANNUAL HOUSING REPORT AS WELL AS A STUDY OF THE CITY'S HIGHWAYS THAT IS A LISTED PROJECT ON THE WORK PLAN THIS YEAR I'M LOOKING AT JULY 10TH THAT IS A BUSIER UPCOMING AGENDA IT APPEARS SWEARING AND SWEARING IN OF NEW PLANNING COMMISSIONERS. I'LL TOUCH ON THAT IN A MOMENT. BUT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SCHOOL IN AN OFFICE BUILDING FINAL SAY AND BUILDING PLANS FOR THE CITY'S NEW FLEET MAINTENANCE FACILITY AND SALT SHED PROJECT THAT'S LOCATED JUST OFF 96TH STREET UP HERE AND THEN FOLLOWING THAT AGAIN TRAFFIC AND TRANSPORTATION STAFF WILL PRESENT TO YOU AN UPDATE ABOUT THE BLOOMINGTON FERRY ROAD CORRIDOR STUDY FOR FEEDBACK AS A STUDY ITEM OTHER THAN UPCOMING MEETINGS AND I WOULD SAY SUBSEQUENT AGENDAS IN JULY LOOK TO BE QUITE BUSY AS WELL . SO JUST A HEADS UP ABOUT THAT AT THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON JUNE THE 2ND FOR PLANNING COMMISSIONERS WERE APPOINTED AS PART OF THEIR MEETING SO COMMISSIONER I WOULD SAY WAS REAPPOINTED IN ADDITION TO THREE NEW MEMBERS SO JARED MUNSTER AND LONNIE AND ABDI SAY WILL SERVE AS A TERM FROM JULY 1ST, 2025 TO JUNE 30TH 2028. SO THREE YEAR TERMS THERE AND THEN MADELINE SUMMERS WAS APPOINTED TO A ONE YEAR TERM FINISHING OUT THE TERM OF COMMISSIONER CURRY FROM JULY 1ST, 2025 TO JUNE 30TH 2026. SO MADELINE SUMMERS JARED MUNSTER AND AND LONNIE WILL BE NEW MEMBERS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AGAIN THANKS TO CHAIR ALBRECHT WHO SERVED ON THE INTERVIEW PANEL HAS BEEN AS HAS BEEN THE TRADITION BUT YEAH AND IN ADVANCE OF THE FIRST MEETING IN JULY WILL NOW SCHEDULE OUR TRAINING AND ORIENTATION SESSIONS WITH THOSE NEW MEMBERS AND GO FROM THERE SO WE'LL HAVE TO SWEAR THEM IN AT THE FIRST MEETING IN JULY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER IN FOR DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE OUT OUR JUNE 5TH, 2025 MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. GOOD NIGHT, EVERYONE