[0:28] Alyssa Olsen: good afternoon everybody and welcome to the regular meeting of the City Planning Commission today is Tuesday February 20th 2024 my name is Alyssa Olsen I'm the president of the Planning Commission the city will be recording and posting this meeting to the city's website and YouTube channel as a means of increasing Public Access and transparency this meeting is public and subject to the Minnesota open meeting law at this time I'll ask the clerk to please call the role. [1:00] Clerk: commissioner Campbell is absent chowri is absent Conley is absent em is absent Jones present Meyer here Thompson is absent Wagner present vice president Baxley here president Olsson here there are five members present. [1:13] Alyssa Olsen: all right we have a quorum so with that we'll proceed to the agenda a copy of which was posted for public access to the city's legislative information management system which is available at limbs.minneapolismn.gov and there are copies um on the corner table by the door um we'll begin with acceptance of the minutes from February 5th could I have a motion to accept those minutes is there a second. [1:55] Commissioner: second. [1:56] Alyssa Olsen: all right we have a motion in a second is there any discussion seeing none all in favor say I. [2:01] Commission: I. [2:02] Alyssa Olsen: all opposed any abstentions all right that motion passes and the minutes are adopted our next order of business is to organize the agenda which again is available at limbs.minneapolismn.gov I will read through the agenda numbers and addresses and state whether each item is slated for consent um or discussion um consent items will be passed without discussion by the board we'll be adhering to the staff recommendation so if you agree with the staff recommendation uh you don't have to do anything um and the board will pass it as recommended um if you disagree with staff recommendation you can indicate so by raising your hand or saying something when I get to that item and we will put that item on our discussion agenda and you'll have the opportunity to come up to the podium and speak on that item so um we have this evening item number four is 3030 nicholet Avenue application for final plat this item is on our consent agenda and will not have a public hearing item number five is 14400 1406 1412 and 1418 8th Avenue North is there anyone here to speak against oh staff is recommending this item for consent is there anyone here to speak against staff recommendation for item five okay we have item five on our discussion agenda item number six is 224 through 24 Bloomington Avenue and 1510 East 23rd Street staff is recommending this item for consent is there anyone here to speak against staff recommendation for item six all right seeing none we'll put item six on our consent agenda item number seven is 2750 First Avenue South formerly 2730 2734 and 2740 1 Avenue South is there staff is recommending this item for consent is there anyone here to speak against staff recommendation for item seven all right seeing none we'll put item seven on our consent agenda and item number eight is 3320 54th Street East staff is recommending this item for consent is there anyone here to speak against staff recommendation for item eight okay we'll put item eight on our discussion agenda so to review we have items four six and seven on consent and we will discuss items five and eight Commissioners could I have a motion to approve the agenda. [4:30] Commissioner: so moved. [4:31] Commissioner: second. [4:32] Alyssa Olsen: all right we have a motion and a second is there any discussion seeing none all in favor say I. [4:38] Commission: I. [4:39] Alyssa Olsen: all opposed any extensions all right that motion passes and the agenda has been approved first we will handle our consent agenda item that doesn't have a public hearing and then we'll proceed with items six and seven on the consent agenda that do have a public hearing um um so could I have a motion to adopt item four on consent. [5:06] Commissioner: so moved. [5:07] Commissioner: second. [5:08] Alyssa Olsen: all right we have a motion and a second is there any discussion seeing none um all in favor say I. [5:14] Commission: I. [5:15] Alyssa Olsen: all opposed any exstension all right item four has been approved um and then next is items six and seven on our consent agenda and I will open the public hearing on the consent agenda so if anyone would like to comment on items six or seven you can come to the podium now state your name and neighborhood for the record and proceed with your comments all right I'm not seeing anyone so I'm going to close the public hearing for the consent agenda could I have a motion to adopt items six and SE seven as recommended by staff. [5:58] Commissioner: so moved. [5:59] Commissioner: second. [6:00] Alyssa Olsen: okay we have a motion in a second is there any discussion all right seeing none all in favor say I. [6:07] Commission: I. [6:08] Alyssa Olsen: all opposed any extensions all right that motion passes so if you were here for items four six or seven those items have been completed and now we'll move on to our discussion agenda for the evening our first item is item number five and staff is Lindsay Silas. [6:38] Lindsay Silas: and members of the commission um I am uh here with a project at 1400 1406 1412 and 1418 8th Avenue North um this was a project by Avenues for youth you can uh see on the site here or on the um screen here it is currently four vacant Lots at the uh North west corner of 8th and um humble there er so the site is uh located across the street from uh the bethon park and there are a number of educational religious and in institutional uses in the surrounding area um the applicant is avenues for Youth and they serve um homeless youth they are located in this neighborhood now just a few blocks away from the site they are proposing to construct a new three-story building because of the size of the site the site exceeds the uh square footage allowed for um uh standard development in Corridor 4 so the applicant has proposed a plan unit development um plan unit developments are permitted on on larger uh sites as the lot area is determined by the cup so that is their first application um the applicant has proposed to um use this building it's going to have beds that will serve residents as um an emergency shelter so an emergency shelter uh would be uh serving the residents that are there between 24 hours and less than six months um and then a state credential care facility which would be serving individuals staying longer than six months these may be the same individuals who be staying in the same rooms but because of the way we Define these uses in the zoning code they are they constitute two separate uses the building will also include offices and um um spaces for support staff uh for avenues for Youth and we'll also include eight uh dwelling units that will be transitional housing for youth who are leaving the um temporary housing portion um so this site also requires site plan review and a preliminary and final plot required because it is a PUD there we go so um you can see the aerial view here showing that the site's vacant currently um here is the site plan so it is a um L shaped three-story building the applicant is proposing a surface parking lot uh to the west of the building the northern portion of the surface parking lot is going to be striped as a surface parking lot but proposed to be used um for recreational activities so to also have some striping for a basketball court as well um applicants proposing some significant outdoor space which is what they are one of the ways they're meeting their PUD points in the courtyard that is located to the north of the building and here's a landscaping plan which is uh fairly extensive there are some conditions related to Landscaping but overall there um there's a lot of Landscaping on the site um and these may be a little hard to see on your screens but the here's the first floor plan showing the um support spaces is some of the bedrooms second floor which is um on kind of that uh Southern Wing is the Supportive Housing beds and on that Northern Wing is uh the apartments and then uh more staff space and apartments on the third floor and the roof um they are going they're proposing uh solar panels and a reflective roof um and elevations on the site so um as far as alternative compliance that's being requested there are a couple of um items that are being requested for alternative compliance and those include um distance from the street the applicant has uh proposed to set the building back farther than the 15 feet allowed in the code um blank walls canopy trees Park and parking area screening for most of these um staff is recommending uh staff is recommending granting alternative compliance for the building placement and for the blank wall on the North side and then has condition compliance with the other standards um in the code and uh that concludes my presentation and I'm happy to answer any questions. [11:13] Alyssa Olsen: thank you Lindsay um are there any questions from commissioners before we move on with the public hearing I don't see any thank you um so next we'll move on to the public hearing portion um of this item and I just want to explain how that will go so we're going to open the public hearing and the applicant can um come forward and speak on this item if they would like to um and after that we're going to open it up to anyone who would like to speak on this item you will have 2 minutes um and there's a timer um over by the clerk so um please keep your comments to the two minutes and alarm will go off um so you know when you're done um so I will open the public hearing on this item is the applicant here and would they like to come forward. [12:00] Katherine Meerotto: president Commissioners thank you my name is Katherine Meerotto, I'm the executive director at avenues for Youth and I mostly just wanted to say thank you for uh hearing our application tonight and I'm here to answer any questions we are currently housed in a very old building with leaking pipes and challenging HVAC that does not serve our young people who are experiencing homelessness well and so we are very excited about the possibility of doing something much better for them thank you. [12:35] Alyssa Olsen: thank you all right so if there's anyone who would like to come speak on this item you can come up to the podium and you can say your name and neighborhood and proceed with your comments. [12:44] Maria Mason: good evening my name is Maria Mason I'm a lifelong resident of uh Minneapolis North Minneapolis in particular I uh am very troubled by this whole situation and I think that it is quite concerning to put a adult homeless shelter across the street from a head start from an element several elementary schools from several places of worship I think we are already struggling in the neighborhood as it is I have a Social Service property right next door to me that has had consistent issues somebody was murdered in back of it I've had people stand in my yard and shoot at each other shoot at cars right now I have two bullet holes in my house on the right of me another murder another Social Service organization on the end of humble at Plymouth there's another social service organization the traffic flow along humbled is troubling I have repeatedly called the city I've I've put in a request for a traffic circle we routinely have semis that either Park my house just shakes when they park in front of my house this area is congested it's proven unsafe there's been several hits hidden runs in the corner uh where I live we have constant dumping dumping I could show you pictures from people who dumped their toilets tumped their mattresses dumped their old furniture it is untenable to think that this commission would approve this proposal I don't know if I have the lingo right I'm sorry uh without there being a public hearing I know there was a presentation at nerk most of my neighbors are not involved in nerk they are used to somebody knocking on their door when I knock on their door they come they want to have a discussion there are many people who are not okay with this and I I I would I would uh ask you to give me the courtesy of a little more time. [14:55] Alyssa Olsen: I'm sorry we have to limit everyone to two minutes okay Miss elamine. [14:57] Arlene Elamine: good evening my name is Arlene Elamine uh I am uh on the nerk board uh North residen Redevelopment Council and uh I live about a block and a half from the proposed site um I'm not really happy that this is going up simply because I have raised children there and grandchildren there and the idea that we have young young adults that come from various circumstances um it just doesn't give me the the safety field that I would like to have in my neighborhood I am speaking on behalf of a a homeowner who is probably less than a block away from the site and they asked me to convey that they are not comfortable with this as well uh some of the same things that Miss Mason had addressed are some of the feelings that um we all have we certainly implore you to have a public hearing so that more members of the community can address their concerns okay thank you. [16:25] Maria Mason: can she yield her time to me? [16:27] Alyssa Olsen: um I don't know sure if you want the 44 seconds. [16:32] Maria Mason: I've talked to the councilman I've uh I've asked since September for there to be some kind of organization of a public discussion on this so the residents can have a voice to think that there would be 80 some people that are congested in that very highly when there and when there's activities you can barely get down the street I implore this commission to give the neighborhood give North Minneapolis a chance to have something that the neighborhood is welcoming in that the neighbors feel is uh a value to the neighborhood and not just something imposed on us there's no walking grocery store there's no walking Pharmacy there's nothing within this area when we have so many people in the space thank you. [17:27] Alyssa Olsen: is there anyone else who would like to um speak on this item if so you can come forward now state your name in neighborhood for the record. [17:37] Trias Wells: hi my name is Trias Wells and I want to you know it's the same I live right 815 humble which is going to be right um in the same where am I at next right right next door to and we have the same concern um so I'm just seconding the Motions of what they just spoke upon you want to take some more my time. [18:03] Maria Mason: sure I would ask that you uh not vote on this this evening and that you push it back to whatever the lower level is so that the community can all be engaged and have a voice I spoke with councilman Ellison repeatedly I contacted Miss Omar's office no response and Mr Ellison's office had promised that there would be a meeting and I waited I waited just heard about this this past weekend from Miss elamine I think it's unfortunate that the residents of North Minneapolis cannot be engaged more fully in what happens in our neighborhood thank you. [18:57] Alyssa Olsen: all right is there anyone else who would like to speak on this item we'll do one last call all right seeing none I'll close the public hearing uh Commissioners are there any questions or would anyone like to discuss or make a motion can I this is how I do it yep commissioner Thompson. [19:14] Commissioner Thompson: thank you um for those of you who don't know I represent North Minneapolis as well on the Park Board and you neighbors voiced the concerns that I had had um so often in North I I my my question around this and I wasn't going to say anything except for listening to people my question around this is is how did it end up being placed in North Minneapolis and just for the record I I've done some tutoring with avenues for homeless use I think they're a wonderful organization but um how did it end up in North Minneapolis and not in some sort of location elsewhere in the city I mean I think those of us who live over North recognize that like this is a recurring theme um so I don't know if anyone can speak to the details of that or if I'm just asking the room um and then I would consider a motion to table but I'm curious if anyone can answer that. [20:12] Alyssa Olsen: that would be a question for the applicant I know the public hearing is closed so it would be at the discretion of the chair um whether or not you know I believe it's in North Minneapolis because it's a relocation of an existing facility that's outgrown its current space um I think that's you know located in North correct near North it would be relocating that current facility. [20:39] Commissioner Thompson: I would love to make a motion to table I recognize that I can easily be outvoted but I would make that motion. [20:47] Commissioner: all right we have a motion is there a second. [20:49] Commissioner: I I have a question is that go ahead um and the purpose for tabling would be a a chance for community members to get to have a public hearing I don't know the procedure of that because I'm new to this I'm not I I the Planning Commission but if there could be some form of conversation I would even be willing to facilitate that given um the Norths side Representatives that I know. [21:18] Alyssa Olsen: um if I may clarify so this is the public hearing okay um so we're having a public hearing right now this is the formal part of the land use application process so this is the opportunity for people to come and speak and provide feedback um anything else that happens outside of this formal process is something that's kind of going above and beyond the standard procedures that we require for a land use application um you know certainly we always encourage applicants to have more Community engagement um but this is the public hearing so this is the Forum and um public hearing notices were sent out about today's meeting thank you all right commissioner Meyer. [22:15] Commissioner Meyer: thank you um first so I have a couple questions for staff um one I just wanted to highlight because I thought it was interesting so in this case they're seeking is it alternative compliance on the setback because they're too far away that that is that correct. [22:31] Lindsay Silas: yes. [22:32] Commissioner Meyer: okay I just wanted to flag that because I wanted to have you know further discussion later on this year about setbacks and I thought this was uh an interesting case to highlight on that um and I also just wanted to get some clarification about what exactly the Planning Commission um has the ability to decide on here so my understanding is that for these conditional use permits in the site plan review basically the Planning Commission uh can decide whether to Grant the alternative compliance that you're recommending but most of the project they have the ability to do by right is so like the Planning Commission could choose to reject elements of it but they couldn't like does the Planning Commission like have the authority to like reject the entire thing. [23:04] Lindsay Silas: that's a good question so the applications before you are conditionally used permit to establish a planned unit development um and the plan unit development only only requires the 10 points needed to establish the plan unit development and that is primarily for the lot area question um if this building was being constructed as Apartments it would I guess it depends on the number of Apartments it may you know in that scenario if it was just an apartment building it would not need any conditional use permits um because this is the built for Corridor four District which allows up to four stories by right so um but because of the specific uses that are being uh incorporated into the building and because they are compiling four Lots rather than say three it needs the conditional use permit for the Pud a conditional use permit for an emergency shelter a conditional use permit for a state credential Care Facility um serving 17 or more people site plan review and the preliminary plat which is really tied to the plan uh plan unit development application so when we think about the conditional use permit applications conditional uses are things that are allowed in the zoning code as long as they meet certain conditions so staff uh the staff findings that are in your packet have found that the proposed uses meet those conditions um the Planning Commission if uh you know if they so felt could make other findings if there were you know one or more findings for each conditional use permit that you didn't agree with the staff uh the staff uh analysis you could propose new findings um and that is the way in which the Planning Commission could theoretically overturn an application um when it comes to site plan review um yes site plan review is for the building envelope itself looking at the way that the you know various uh elements of the building and site design are uh complying with the zoning code and um you know that is kind of where we look at whether alternative compliance is needed and uh and then whether or not Commissioners agree with the staff analysis on where to Grant alternative compliance typically you know if a if a project is close on meeting you know all of the standards and requires little alternative compliance the building is you know generally demonstrating that it's meeting the zoning code. [25:25] Commissioner Meyer: okay um so first I I going to say I'm sympathetic to the concerns of people today especially about mattresses another trash being dumped in their neighborhoods and semis another congestion you know I like to see the city and the state do more about those problems um I don't feel that you know rejecting alternative compliance or or these aspects of the application would help with that I feel like it helps solve some of our problems when we're able to get housing for people who need it and you know I don't think it would accomplish anything to table this um because I don't see where it would go from there and another thing I want to note is you know state law requires us to give an up or down vote within 60 days if you don't do that then it's automatically um approved as is um so I guess with that I will um make a motion uh to approve item five as recommended by staff. [26:38] Maria Mason: excuse me may I have asking. [26:40] Alyssa Olsen: no the public hearing is closed you so it doesn't really matter what the what the homeowners in the neighborhood feel the public hearing is closed thank you much all right um we have a motion is there a second. [26:54] Alyssa Olsen: I will second commissioner Meyer's motion um I know uh commissioner Baxley you had a question for the applicant. [26:57] Commissioner Baxley: yeah just since this is a our chance to um kind of he hear a little bit more I wonder if the applicant could come up and talk about why they are remaining in the neighborhood and and why this site is uh important for what they do. [27:12] Katherine Meerotto: president olon Commissioners we've been in the neighborhood since 1997 at our current location of 1708 Oak Park Avenue North the new location is about four blocks from that location the majority of the youth that live at our location are youth from Minneapolis and the majority of them are youth from North Minneapolis so it was important to our young people as we started talking with the young people themselves who are currently living in our facility and who have lived in the facility in the past as we started to talk about a new new facility one of the big questions we ask is where would you want it to be and the answer overwhelmingly was here here in North Minneapolis. [27:57] Commissioner Baxley: is it appropriate for me to ask if some of the folks talked about safety concerns and I'm wondering if you if it's appropriate to ask about what you may or may not do to address some of the concerns the community had. [28:13] Katherine Meerotto: absolutely um happy to address that um we are staffed 24/7 by staff who are awake and very aware of where our young people are at we do regular room checks to make sure our young people are where they are supposed to be um and uh we also have to work with our young folks sometimes on how they can be safe when they're coming home from the bus stop late at night things like that um so it it kind of it really goes both ways um and uh we also part of the life skills that we're teaching our young people is about how to be good neighbors yeah we have not really we don't have we've not had um issues where we've needed to have the police come for re you know for any reason um yeah our young people are just very happy to have a place to live and they do not want to do anything that's going to get get them kicked out thank you. [29:08] Alyssa Olsen: thank you. [29:09] Resident: the residents are willing to answer questions too if you have any for us. [29:10] Alyssa Olsen: thank you the public hearing is closed um Kimberly. [29:19] Staff (Kimberly Holien): so I just wanted to clarify one thing for the record and I think everyone may know this but just um to say it publicly because it's a relatively new use so the one of the uses going in here that needs a conditional use permit is an emergency shelter that is not the same thing as an overnight shelter um an overnight shelter is a use where people come they are in overnight and then out in the morning so it's less than 24 hours um an emergency shelter is a use where people stay for more than 24 hours but less than 6 months so it's semi-permanent housing and it does not function the same way as an overnight shelter just in case um there was any confusion about what the actual use is here thank you. [30:11] Alyssa Olsen: Kimberly might I ask a question of yep commissioner Thompson. [30:17] Commissioner Thompson: um I just because I know that there's a full service Community School across the street at bethon Park and director Emer isn't here tonight representing schools I'm curious did was there connectivity with the schools um on that site location um is this a question for the applicant sorry yes that's a question for the applicant or anyone who might know but I'm guessing it's the applicant who knows. [30:45] Katherine Meerotto: no I spoke to the Harvest prep principal and Miss's relative is on the Minneapolis School Board yes we've reached out to the school but we've not actually been able to make a connection with them. [30:57] Commissioner Thompson: is the is the school board aware of the changes? [31:01] Katherine Meerotto: not that I'm aware of. [31:02] Commissioner Thompson: okay thank you. [31:04] Alyssa Olsen: all right Commissioners are there any is there any other discussion commissioner Bley did you want to say anything I see your okay okay all right I'm not seeing any more Commissioners um who want to speak so I guess I will ask the clerk to please call the role on the motion um and commissioner Meyer could you remind us what the motion is. [31:37] Commissioner Meyer: motion is to um approve item five as recommended by staff. [31:40] Alyssa Olsen: all right that includes item a conditional use permit B conditional use permit C conditional use permit and site plan review oh and the preliminary and final plot thank you go ahead. [31:49] Clerk: commissioner Jones. [31:50] Commissioner Jones: I approve. [31:51] Clerk: Meyer. [31:51] Commissioner Meyer: I. [31:52] Clerk: Thompson. [31:53] Commissioner Thompson: no. [31:54] Clerk: Wagner. [31:54] Commissioner Wagner: I. [31:55] Clerk: vice president Baxley. [31:56] Commissioner Baxley: hi. [31:57] Clerk: president olssen. [31:58] Alyssa Olsen: I. [31:59] Clerk: there are five eyes and one nay. [32:00] Alyssa Olsen: all right that motion passes and that item has been approved our next item this evening is item number eight 3320 54th Street East and um staff is Aaron Hanau. [32:39] Aaron Hanau: 3320 54 Street East is located along two goods and services corridors The Proposal is a three-story 20 unit building with 14 enclosed parking spaces the only application that is being applied for is site plan review the project complies with bulk requirements setbacks height parking all zoning code requirements from not needing a variance and uh we appreciate the applicants I can show the images of the three story building appreciate the applicants continued work with public works and cped on on getting a project that did not that does not require variances and also they were they were working with staff on the better location for vehicle access so with just this one application cped is recommending approval of the project and I'm happy to answer questions now or if they come up after the public hearing portion thank you. [34:10] Alyssa Olsen: thank you Aaron um Commissioners are there any questions for staff all right I'm not seeing any thank you um I'll open the public hearing for this item is the applicant here and would they like to come forward. [34:19] Michael Koun: hello uh my name is Michael Koun I'm the architect on the project and here representing the uh the owner New Life properties I'm here for any questions if you need me. [34:36] Alyssa Olsen: all right I don't see any questions but we'll let you know thank you all right is there anyone else here who would like to speak on this item you can come to the podium now um state your name in neighborhood for the record and proceed with your comments and everyone will have two minutes. [34:54] Brandon Long: hi my name is Brandon Long I'm the executive director for the Noma neighborhood association um I'll probably shock You by saying that we actually had talked with a developer who was a lovely man about some variances so I know staff uh just mentioned that there weren't any requested um the reason that we had discussed this as an organization and with our housing and uh development committee was that that property um has a lot of potential for commercial which isn't included uh because there's only the three stories um from what I understand from speaking with Dan was that they would need a variance for I think it was a floor area ratio um I think that that it would have been very it's a little disappointing in that that's a that's a very prominent or potentially um even better commercial and transportation Corridor um the other thing that would have been made possible with a four-story building which is something that we had discussed with Dan as a possibility was the fact that the current plans don't include an elevator um and so these are it's a three story building just with stairs so we've decreased the accessibility of that um you know we don't have any stated position on this but we did engage with the developer for quite some months and basically when we were sort of investigating what the possibilities were it seemed that City staff were kind of against any sort of variances so I suppose I'm just up here to say that um that's a little bit disappointing and I don't know what there is to be done at this point but um it was something that we were very interested in exploring so thank you. [36:34] Alyssa Olsen: thank you and yeah you guys can just come up. [36:37] Dan Gilcrest: hi my name is Dan Gilcrest and um I live in the Keewaydin neighborhood um very close to the proposed project I also serve on the on Nom neighborhood association board and I just wanted to Echo that that um while the developer has been open to talking to us as has council member kosy um it is disappointing that um it at no point did it really seem like a mixed use um for this property was seriously being considered and um I also Echo Brandon's concern about a three-story Building without any elevator I know that is um pretty much code um but I think um I'm just um my mother's at Abbott right now and um she's having a hard time getting around and she would not be able to live anywhere but on the first floor of that building so but thank you for your time. [37:25] Alyssa Olsen: thank you is there anyone else who would like to speak on this item you can come forward now last call all right well I will close the public hearing for this item um Commissioners are there is there any discussion um commissioner Thompson. [37:46] Commissioner Thompson: thank you I do have one question for staff and this is like a general question but I figured this is my first real meeting so I'll ask it um in going through uh materials I'm I'm not noticing anything for the Parkland dedication on projects like this uh does that come in after the permit is applied is that typically to be in our materials here how does that usually work from from City Planning staff so I can like get that in my brain. [38:13] Aaron Hanau: commissioner yes there's there is a Formula they this project would be subject to that given um those units that are not affordable and that that is been an administrative process um the applicant I believe is made aware as part of the preliminary development review process of that amount that estimate of what it will be and then um as it gets closer to the building permit is when that those fees would be paid. [38:43] Commissioner Thompson: okay and so we don't have like um in terms of the materials we get for this commission we don't typically get like estimates of what that would I'm just thinking spitballing for myself as I look through to see the impacts on Parks. [38:57] Aaron Hanau: I could look at the report the the PDR preliminary development review report that was included in your in your submittal um if that if that detail was part of that report but okay um that's where it would be or else correct it's not standard procedure is I guess for every city planner in the room right okay thank you I appreciate that. [39:19] Alyssa Olsen: all right um hold on commissioner Wagner. [39:23] Commissioner Wagner: thank you president Olsson I actually have a question for staff as well and Kimberly might be able to answer this I know I can't lean back sorry about that um what what is the trigger for activated like um first floor and like mixed use is that when it goes to four stories or what what triggers the need for mixed use um oh go ahead Aon. [39:44] Aaron Hanau: so our destination mixed use category is one that requires ground floor commercial space or ground floor retail space um yes and thank you and and that encouragement for commercial was there um to the applicant the applicant was made aware of um what the bulk requirements are for the site and also encouraged not to apply for a variance or potentially a comp plan amendment that would that would need to take place once going higher than what the thresholds are are allowed um they applied for two premiums and and so they are maxing out the site with their current envelope and current proposal they didn't have to you know the um maybe I'm speaking too much but I mean the trade-off of parking vers first commercial or other elements it was not it was uh the encouragement for commercial was there from staff. [40:48] Alyssa Olsen: all right um I will just say um I'm a Nina resident and I'm proud of my Nina Representatives here I'm advocating for more density um and commercial use um I think that I I would like to see commercial here but um in general I will support the project um I would have liked to see less parking but I understand why people want to do that um and I hope that this site that has historically been um underused um gets lots of new residents and and lots of traffic so uh commissioner Meyer. [41:35] Commissioner Meyer: um I also wanted to thank the people who came today I think the point raised is a really good one that people should know like once you hit the four stories then we we see more accessibility and it would be nice to see that and it sounds like there would be support for the neighborhood for maybe a comp plan Amendment for this this intersection to see more of that there which would help generate the customer base to support more commercial it is hard uh to to push for more commercial I feel at this time in fact I think we might need to go in the opposite direction because we're just seeing so many vacant commercial properties um but um yeah we definitely want to see that happen uh when we can but yeah the applicant is not really asking us for much just uh site plan review without anything big in there um so with that I'll I'll move to approve item a for the site plan review. [42:31] Alyssa Olsen: all right we have a motion is there in a second all right is there any other discussion seeing none I'll ask the clerk to please call the role. [42:43] Clerk: commissioner Jones. [42:43] Commissioner Jones: uh I approve. [42:44] Clerk: Meyer. [42:44] Commissioner Meyer: I. [42:45] Clerk: Thompson. [42:45] Commissioner Thompson: yes. [42:46] Clerk: Wagner. [42:46] Commissioner Wagner: I. [42:47] Clerk: vice president Baxley. [42:47] Commissioner Baxley: I. [42:48] Clerk: president olssen. [42:48] Alyssa Olsen: I. [42:49] Clerk: there are six sides. [42:50] Alyssa Olsen: all right that motion passes that item's been approved um and that was our last um discussion item I want to um welcome our new Commissioners we've got Kelly Jones and Tom Wagner thank you for joining us um are there any announcements from staff. [43:11] Staff (Kimberly Holien): I also just want to Echo your welcome um we're really glad to have you on board so thank you for being willing to serve the city this way um commissioner Campbell is also going through the reappointment process right now um so I think he just has one more stop at full city council and then we'll be a we're a full commission again great um we will be taking nominations for our executive committee at our March 4th meeting so the executive committee is our vice president who is currently commissioner Baxley our president who is currently commissioner Olsen and our secretary position is currently vacant that was um commissioner Mara so we will be taking nominations at the March 4th meeting and then I think we typically vote at the meeting following that. [44:03] Alyssa Olsen: yes um and I will say I'm not going to be um running for president so um I've told the existing Commissioners but to the new Commissioners I've um served in every um leadership role and I am entering my semi-retirement phase on the Planning Commission so um I look forward to someone else stepping up. [44:21] Staff (Kimberly Holien): and for the benefit of our new Commissioners so um the president obviously chairs the meeting the vice president chairs Committee of the whole which are the Thursday meetings that we have and then also fills in for the president if the president's not available um the secretary is the backup to the VP to the president and also has the pleasure of signing a lot of documents for us including our well we changed the plat requirement but um conditional use permits and things that need to be recorded at henpen County but we are getting with the times and typically um request an electronic signature for those documents yeah so. [45:00] Alyssa Olsen: all right is there anything else before we adjourn all right um if not and without objection I'll declare this meeting adjourned our next regular meeting of the Planning Commission will be Monday March 4th and our Thursday meeting um this week has been cancelled thank you everybody. [45:24] [End of Meeting]