DECEMBER 5, 2022. PLANO PLANNING AND ZONING >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. IT'S 7:00. WE'LL START OUR REGULARLY-SCHEDULED PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. IF YOU'LL PLEASE RISE AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] >> COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS TO ALLOW UP TO THREE MINES P SPEAKER WITH 30 TOTAL MINUTES ON ITEMS OF INTEREST OR CONCERN AND NOT ON ITEMS THAT ARE ON TH CURRENT AGENDA. THE PLANNING AN ZONING COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS THESE ITEMS, BUT MAY RESPOND WITH FACTUAL OR POLICY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA. TH PRESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIFY THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY. >> Chair Downs: DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? >> NO, WE DO NOT. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. >> CONSENT AGENDA. THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION ANDONTAINS EMS ICH ARE ROUTINE AND TYPICALLY NONCONTROVERSIAL. ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION BY COMMISSIONERS OR STAFF. >> Chair Downs: WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO PULL A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM? >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES AND TABLE IT TO THE NEXT DISCUSSION BECAUSE THE MINUTES DID NOT INCLUDE OUR COMMENTS OR OUR FINDINGS. >> Chair Downs: WE'RE GOING TO PULL ITEM A. COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF. TH OTHER ITEMS, SEVERAL OFO THEM -- >> Chair Downs: FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA IT CAN BE PASSED WITH ONE MOTION. >> Brounoff: SOME OF THEM SEEM TO REQUIRE APPROVAL SUBJECT TO ADDITIONS AND ALTERATIONS FROM THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND A COUPLE OF OTHERS ARE SUBJECT TO A VARIANCE OF APPROVAL. >> Chair Downs: I'LL LEAN ON OUR LEGAL STAFF HERE BUT THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS CAN BE PASSED WITH A SINGLE MOTION? >> THAT'S RIGHT. AND THEY'RE PASSED WITH A MOTION AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. SO IT INCLUDES IN THAT MOTION L OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT LAND BELOW IT. >> Chair Downs: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO WE'RE GOING TO PULL ITEM A. THAT SAID, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE -- >> MR. CHAIRMAN, MOVE WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA& MINUS ITEM A AS PRESENTED BY STAFF. >> I SECOND. >> Chair Downs: I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HORNE WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER TONG TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA LESS ITEM A. PLEASE VOTE. THAT ITEM CARRIES 6-0. LET IT NOTED THAT COMMISSIONERS RATLIFF AND BRONSKY WERE UNABLE TO JOIN US TONIGHT FOR VARIOUS REASONS I WILL NOW ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON ITEM A TO TABLE. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE TABLE THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES TO THE DECEMBER 19th MEETING. >> Tong: I SECOND. >> Chair Downs: WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE ITEM A UNTIL THE DECEMBER 19th MEETING BY COMMISSIONER HORNE WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER TONG. PLEASE VOTE. THAT ITEM CARRIES 6-0. ALL RIGHT. >> ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSID PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS: APPLICANT ARE LIMITED TO 15 MINUTES OF PRESENTATION TIME WITH A FIVE MINUTE REBUTTAL, IF NEEDED. REMAINING SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO 30 TOTAL MINUTES OF TESTIMON TIME, WITH THREE MINUTES ASSIGNED PERPEAKER. THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIFY THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION ITEMS MUST BE APPROVED IF THEY MEET CITY DEVELOPMENT REGULATIO LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION ITEMS ARE MORE DISCRETIONARY, EXCEPT AS CONSTRAINED BY LEGAL CONSIDE AGENDA ITEM NO. 1. PUBLIC HEARING: ZONING CASE 2022-016 - REQUEST TO AMEND ARTICLE 10 ( DISTRICTS), ARTICLE 14 (ALLOWED USES AND USE CLASSIFICATIONS), ARTICLE 15 (USE-SPECIFIC REGULATIONS), AND RELATED SECTIONS OF THE ZONING ORDINANC TO ALIGN WITH SPECIFIC LAND USE POLICIES IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 2021. APPLICANT: CITY OF P LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION >> GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. I'M RAHA POULADI. STAFF INTENDS TO PRESENT A WORKING DRAFT AT THE DECEMBER 12th MEETING WITH THE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR DISCUSSION IN SEEKING DIRECTION FROM THE COMMISSION TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE TIME TO ADJUST THE DOCUMENT WITH THE DIRECTION WE WILL RECEIVE TONIGHT IN THE FOLLOWING MEETING, THE STAFF DOES NOT ANTICIPATE THAT THE COMPLETE DOCUMENT WILL BE READY BEFORE JANUARY 17th AND REQUESTS TO TABLE THE CASE TO A FUTURE MEETING BASED ON ONE OF TWO OPTIONS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. IN A NUTSHELL, BY CHOOSING OPTION 1, COMMISSION MAY TABLE THE ITEM TO THE NEXT MEETING ON DECEMBER 12th A WILL CONTINUE TABLING THE ITEM BASED ON THE FEEDBACK. WITH THIS OPTION THE COMMISSION MUST TAKE ACTION AT EACH MEETING. BY CHOOSING OPTION 2, ON THE OTHER HAND, COMMISSION WILL TABLE THE ITEM TO JANUARY 17TH MEETING, ALLOWING THE STAFF TO HAVE A NON-PUBLIC HEARING ITEM ON DECEMBER 19th WITH NO ACTIONS BEING REQUIRED. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE COMMISSION ACCEPT THE REQUEST TO TABLE ZONING CASE 2022-016 TO THEIR PREFERRED DATE OF EITHER DECEMBER 19th, 2022 OR JANUARY 17th, 2023. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> Chair Downs: THERE'S NO SPECIFIC URGENCY AROUND THIS. IT'S NOT HOLDING UP A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER THINGS BEHIND IT, RIGHT? IS THE 17th ENOUGH TIME OR SHOULD WE BE LOOKING AT THE FIRST MEETING IN FEBRUARY? >> YEAH, WE PLAN TO HAVE THE DOCUMENT FOR YOU ON THE 17th. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. I WOULD RATHER GIVE YOU MORE TIME NOW THAN HAV TO TABLE AGAIN. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COMMISSIONER HORNE? >> Horne: YES, THANK YOU, MS. POULADI. IF WE TABLE THIS ON THE 19th WILL WE HAVE TO REVISIT THIS AGAIN ON THE 3rd OF JANUARY? >> DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU CHOOSE IN TERMS OF THE ACTION YOU MAY WANT TO TAKE. IF YOU GO WITH OPTION 1, HYPOTHETICALLY, A WORKING DRAFT WILL BE PRESENTED TO YOU AS PART OF A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 19th. IF YOU DECIDE TO TABLE IT EITHER TO JUARY 3rd OR JANUARY 17TH, THEY WILL BRING THE ITEM BEFORE YOU AGAIN. HOWEVER, ON JANUARY 3rd THE DOCUMENT WILL NOT BE COMPLETE AND WOULDN'T BE READY TO TAKE ANY ACTION OTHER THAN TABLING. >> Horne: I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT HERE, IF WE TABLE IT TO DECEMBER 19th, THIS IS JUST STRICTLY JUST TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC SOME TRANSPARENCY INTO WHAT WE'RE DOING, IS THAT CORRECT? >> CORRECT. >> Horne: OKAY. SO OUTSIDE OF THAT, IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL WORK OUTSIDE OF PREPARING OUR PACKAGE FOR THE 19th FOR STAFF? >> NO. >> Horne: SO ALL IT IS JUST A MATTER OF TRANSPARENCY FOR THE PUBLIC? >> CORRECT. >> Horne: THANKS. >> Chair Downs: NO MORE QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. >> I DO HAVE ONE. SO POSSIBLY THE CHAIRMAN ALREADY ASKED THIS BUT I GUESS WE'RE NOT ON ANY KIND OF TIMELINE HERE SO WE CAN WORK THROUGH THIS AT WHATEVER PACE ULTIMATELY WE THINK IS THE RIGHT PACE, ISHAT RIGHT? I MEAN, THERE'S NO HARD STOP OR ANY TIME CLOCK ON ANY OF THIS CORRECT? >> NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. >> Cary: OKAY. THANK YOU. >> SURE. >> I DID WANT TO MENTION COUNCIL REQUESTED THIS IS A PRIORITY ITEM SO WE ARE MOVING THROUGH THIS AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN, SO THAT'S THE ONLY TIME CLOCK THAT WE HAVE. >> Cary: THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. NO MORE QUESTIONS? I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? >> NO, WE DO NOT. >> Chair Downs: I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I THINK THAT -- I'M OKAY WITH TABLING IT TO THE 17th. ON THE 19th IT WILL BE ON THE AGENDA REPORT SO THAT WILL BE ON THE AGENDA FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO COME AND SPEAK, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON IT. IT COULD BE THAT ON THE 19th WE DETERMINE THE OTHER 17th IS GREAT OR THERE MAY BE SOMETHING ELSE THAT COMES UP OUT OF OUR DISCUSSION THAT MAY DELAY IT FURTHER, BUT I'M OKAY WITH TABLING IT TO THE 17th. ANY THOUGHTS, COMMENTS? >> Cary: I AGREE WITH THAT. AS THIS WORK IS PGRSING, HOW MUCH VISIBILITY WOULD THERE BE FOR THIS COMMISSION AND/OR THE PUBLIC AS THE WORK IS BEING DONE? IS THERE SOME KIND OF PORTAL THAT PEOPLE CAN VIEW AS WE'RE MOVING THIS AHEAD? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER HORNE WAS TALKING ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND SO THAT PROMPTS THIS QUESTION. >> SO WE DO HAVE AN ACTIVE ZONING CASE WEBSITE. YOU CAN GET TO IT FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S HOMEPAGE. ON THAT WEBSITE WHEN WE HAVE A DRAFT OF THE CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE READY, WE WILL POST IT TO THA SITE. IT'S STILL IN VERY MUCH DRAFT FORM NOW SO IT'S NOT QUITE READY. BUT, AGAIN, WE HOPE TO HAVE THAT POSTED THERE, SO THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION FOR THEM TO REVIEW. WE'RE ALSO WILLING TO DISCUSS ANY PROPOSALS THAT WE'RE MAKING SO IF FOLKS WANTED TO CONTACT OUR OFFICE, WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR PROVIDE THE INFORMATION IN DRAFT FORM AS IT IS NOW. EVERYTHING IS REALLY OPEN AND AVAILABLE TO VIEW. WE JUST WANTED TO HAVE IT IN A MORE CLEAN FASHION BEFORE WE BROUGHT IT OUT FOR YOU ALL. >> Cary: GREAT. I WANTED THA TBE EVIDENT TO THE PUBLIC. SO, THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF -- I DON'T KNOW WHO WAS FIRST. LADIES FIRST. >> Tong: OKAY. SO MY QUESTION IS REGARDING THE GENERAL PROCESS OF APPROVING THE CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE OR THE AMENDMENT. IF WE POSTPONE IT TO JANUARY 17th, WE GET THIS IN FRONT OF US AND WE REVIEW IT. SO IF WE APPROVE IT, THAT'S GREAT. COMMENTS ABOUT IT, IS IT GOING TO BE A DENIAL AND THEN YOU GO BACK TO CHANGE AGAIN OR IS IT GOING TO BE -- WE WOULD HAVE TO TABLE IT AGAIN TO A FURTHER DATE? >> TABLING WOULD BE OUR PREFERENCE. IF IT'S THAT QUALITY, WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO WITHDRAW IT AND KEEP WORKING ON IT. DEFINITELY YOU CAN ACT ON IT. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO APPROVE THAT NIGHT. YOU APPROVE IF YOU ARE READY, BUT YOU CAN TABLE IT FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION, FURTHER STUDY, IF YOU WISH. >> Tong: OKAY. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: MY GUESS IS NAILED DOWN SO THEY CAN COMPLETE A FINAL DRAFT. BUT WITH THE HOLIDAYS IN THERE, IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO BE READY ON THE THIRD. >> Tong: I AGREE WITH THE JANUARY 17th DATE. >> Brounoff: I DIDN'T HAVE A STRONG PREFERENCE. THE ONLY COMMENT I WOULD MAKE IS I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO GET IT ON WHATEVER DATE WE TABLE IT TO . WE HAVE A WORKING DRAFT WE CAN LOOK AT AND MAKE SUGGESTIONS FROM. >> Chair Downs: SO MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROCESS IS ON THE 19th WE'RE GOING TO GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THEIR WORKING DRAFT AND MAKE OUR COMMENTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS TT THEY WILL THEN FINALIZE AND PRESENT TO US ON THE 17th. ON THE 17th, IN OUR PACKET WILL BE THAT INFORMATION. SO WE'LL HAVE IT THE WAY WE TYPICALLY DO. FRIDAY SATURDAY SUNDAY MONDAY TO REVIEW IF WE HAVE THINGS WE WANT TO BRING UP. AND THAT EVENING WE CAN EITHER VOTE TO APPROVE IT. WE COULD PROBABLY MAKE SOME MODIFICATIONS AND APPROVE THOSE MODIFICATIONS TO IT. STAFF WOULD THEN WRITE THAT IN AS A PERMANENT. THAT WOULD THEN BE APPROVED. >> Brounoff: THAT'S FINE. I JUST UNDERSTOOD YOUR INITIAL COMMENT TO EXPRESS A JANUARY th, ICH WOULDT TO SKIP THE DECEMBER 19th DATE. >> Chair Downs: NO, ON THE 19th WE'RE GOING TO GET A DRAFT, A PROPOSAL, A READING OF WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. IS THAT CORRECT? ON THE 19th? >> CORRECT. IT'S JUST A PROCEDURAL DIFFERENCE. OPTION 1 WILL HAVE IT AS PUBLIC HEARING BUT OPTION 2 WILL HAVE IT AS A NON-PUBLIC HEARING DECISION/DIRECTION. >> Chair Downs: EVEN AS A NON-PUBLIC HEARING ITEM IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO SHOW UP AND TALK TO US ABOUT IT, THEY'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO. COMMISSIONER HORNE. >> Horne: AGAIN, JUSTOR CLARIFICATIO ON MY PART. IF WE GO OPTION 2, WHICH IS TO JANUARY 17th APPROVAL OR REVIEW OF THIS, THAT WE'LL STILL GET THE PACKAGE ON THE 19th AND WE WILL MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO STAFF BUT THERE IS NO ACTION OTHER THAN -- WHERE IF WE GO OPTION 1 WE WOULD HAVE TO AGAIN TAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS BUT THE ACTION WOULD BE TABLING TO THE 17th. >> Chair Downs: WE WOULD HAVE TO TABLE IT BECAUSE IN EFFECT IT WOULD BE CALLING THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 19th AND WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS HAVE OUR DISCUSSIONS FIRST, HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 17th. WE MAY STILL HAVE MORE DIALOGUE AND FEEDBACK BUT THAT'S THE FORMAL PUBLIC HEARING AND THE NIGHT WE CAN TAKE ACTION. >> Horne: IF WE TAKE OPTION 1, THAT WOULD BE FOR A PERIOD OF PUBLIC COMMENT ALSO. THAT WOULD BE THE TIME -- I MEAN, OUR ACTION IS TO TABLE IT TO THE 17th OF JANUARY BUT IF WE DO OPTION 1 IS IT OPEN TO PUBLIC COMMENT? >> Chair Downs: IT WOULD BE OPEN TO PUBLIC COMMENT EITHER WAY. ON THE 19th IT WOULD BE POSTED AS A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM INSTEAD OF A REPORTING ITEM. EITHER WAY THE PUBLIC CAN COMMENT. >> Horne: GREAT. THANKS >> Chair Downs: CLEAR AS MUD? [ LAUGHTER ] MOTION? >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE TAKE OPTION 2 RECOMMENDATION, WHICH WOULD GIVE THE PUBLIC ENOUGH TIME TO ENJOY CHRISTMAS AND WE CAN COME BACK ON THE 17th. >> I SECOND THAT MOTION. >> Chair Downs: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER OLLEY TO TABLE AGENDA ITEM 1 UNTIL THE JANUARY 17, 2023 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CARY. PLEASE VOTE. THAT ITEM CARRIES 6-0. ITEM 2. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 2. PUBLIC HEARING: ZONING CASE 2022-017 - REQUEST TO AMEND SECTION 9.1700 (RCD, RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY DESIGN DISTRICT), SECTION 10.1600 (NBD, NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS DESIGN DIRICT), AND RELATED SECTIONS OF THE ZONING ORDINANC TO IMPROVE ALIGNMENT WITH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 2021. APPLICANT: CITY OF PLANO. LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION >> THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS CASE IS SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS ITEM AND STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION ACCEPTS THE REQUEST TO TABLE ZONING CASE 2022-017 TO THE PREFERRED DATE OF EITHER DECEMBER 19, 2022 OR JANUARY 17, 2023. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. SAME DRILL AS LAST TIME, BASICALLY. MY QUESTION FOR STAFF WOULD BE DOING BOTH THE PREVIOUS AND THIS ONE ON THE SAME EVENING, DO THEY FEED CLOSE ENOUGH INTO EACH OTHER TO HAVE THOSE AT THE SAME TIME OR WE EXPECTING ENOUGH DIALOGUE THAT PERHAPS WE SHOULD DO ONE PERHAPS LATER THAN THE OTHER? MAYBE ONE WILL REQUIRE MORE FEEDBACK. I'M OPENO YOUR THOUGHTS. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT ELSE IS GOING TO BE ON THE JANUARY 17th AGENDA. >> WE DON'T EITHER AT THE MOMENT. WE HAVEN'T NOTICED CASES FOR THAT AGENDA YET. OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO TABLE TO THAT AGENDA. WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS THAT GOAL OF BRINGING YOU A FINAL -- >> Chair Downs: WE CAN ALWAYS DECIDE TO TABLE AT ANOTHER DATE. VERY GOOD. YES SIR. >> Horne: HISTORICALLY THOUGH, LIKE THE JANUARY 3 AND JANUARY 17, OUR MEETINGS HAVE BEEN VERY SHORT. THEY TEND TO BE AT THAT PARTICAR POINT. I GUESS THERE'S NO DEVELOPMENT ACTION GOING ON DURING THE HOLIDAYS REALLY. I'M JUST MAKING THAT OBSERVATION FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS I'VE BEEN DOING THIS. IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS MIGHT BE THE PERFECT TIME TO USE OPTION 2 TO HEAR THIS ONE TOO. TOO. TOO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, SPECIFICALLY FOR STAFF? THANK YOU. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THE ITEM? >> WE DO. PAM HOLLAND. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. HELLO THERE. >> HELLO. I'M PAM HOLLAND. I'M NEW TO MOST OF YOU. I THINK ONLY CHAIRMAN DOWNS -- >> Chair Downs: WE GO BACK A WAYS. >> GO BACK A LONG WAY. I THINK HE WOULD TELL YOU THAT THERE'S NOT A MORE PASSIONATE ADVOCATE FOR DOWNTOWN. >> Chair Downs: I AGREE. >> AND ALSO A STUDENT OF THE URBAN DESIGN PRINCIPLES THAT MAKE IT SUCH A COMFORTABLE AND EXCITING PLACE TO LIVE. WHEN RCD AND NBD WERE FIRST APPROVED WAY BACK FOR THE OAK POINT AREA -- >> MS. HOLLAND, COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> I'M SO SORRY. >> Chair Downs: WE GOT THE NAME BUT DIDN'T GET THE ADDRESS. >> PAM HOLLAND, 1611 H AVENUE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF HAGGARD PARK. I MADE PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THE TIME THAT I HOPED THAT THIS WOULD BE ALLOWED IN OTHER AREAS BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A GREAT SOLUTION TO PROBLEMS -- WELL, IT'S SUCH A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN RIGHT NOW IT SAYS 10 ACRES. THERE'S A COUPLE OF STRIPS IN PARTICULAR IN DOWNTOWN, THE DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR, LESS THAN 10 ACRES BUT I THINK NBD WOULD BE JUST A FANTASTIC ZONING IMPROVEMENT. I'M SPEAKING ABOUT ALONG J. I DO NOT HAVE A PICTURE OF THAT BUT I'M TALKING ALONG DART, THE DART TRACK, EITHER JUST SOUTH OF 18th OR NORTH STATION.EW 12t STREET RIGHT NOW THEY'RE KIND OF OUTBACK, NO MAN'S LAND, NO EYES ON THE STREET. THESE TWO SPACES ARE CRYING FOR ZONING HELP. BUT I THINK THIS IS ALL IT NEEDS, THESE TWO SPACES NEED TO BECOME A WELCOMING PEDESTRIAN ALTERNATIVE TO THE NOISE OF AVENUE K. SO WHY NOT JUST EXTEND BG DOWN THERE? I SAY BG IS OVERWHELMING AND IMPOSING FOR THESE TWO SPACES BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY FRONT, HOW THEY FRONT, A THE FT AT THEY INTERFACE WITH NEIGHBORHOODS. THE GREAT THING ABOUT NBD IS IT WILL CREATE THE COMPACT, ACCESSIBLE KIND OF SPACES THAT ARE KEY TO WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOODS. A WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD ISN'T JUST A PLACE WITH A SIDEWALK. IT HAS TO BE A PLACE WHERE THERE'S SOMEWHERE TO GO. AND THE WAY THAT NBD AND ITS COUSIN, RCD, THESE LOVELY FORM-BASED KIND OF SMALL FOOTPRINT OPTIONS, WOULD WORK TOGEER,OULD CREATE THAT. I WOULD SAY YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PLACE TO GO, IT HAS TO BE CLOSE ENOUGH THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO GO. THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR. BESIDES AN APPEALING PEDESTRIAN OPTION ALONG AVENUE J, IT WOULD PUT EYES ON THE STREET IN THESE TWO CRITICAL PLACES. WE ALREADY HAVE THAT PROBLEM ALONG J NEAR THE DOWNTOWN PLANO STATION AND THAT PROBLEM& WILL GET WORSE TOWARDS THE 12th STREET STATION IF WE DON'T TAKE SOME ACTIVE I'M ALREADY TALKING TO DOUG McDONALD ABOUT HELPING ME FIX SOME OF THIS. SO THE 10 ACRES, THAT'S GREAT FOR BIG SPOTS OUT BY OAK POINT -- >> MS. HOLLAND, YOU HAVE EXHAUSTED YOUR THREE MINUTES. >> DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR, NBD. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING. ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? >> NO, THERE ARE NOT. >> Chair Downs: I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'LL GET BACK TO A DISCUSSION ON TABLING. >> Horne: MR. CHAIRMAN, I SEE NO REAN WHY WE JUST DON'T FOLLOW WHAT WE DID WITH AGENDA ITEM NO. 1 AND JUST MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE THIS TO JANUARY 17, 2023 PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. >> SECOND. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HORNE, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF TO TABLE AGENDA ITEM 2 UNTIL JANUARY 17. PLEASE VOTE. AND THAT ITEM CARRIES 6-0. AGENDA ITEM 3. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 3. PUBLIC HEARING - REPLAT: NORTHGLEN 2 ADDITION, BLOCK B, LOT 7R - PRO ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE AND MEDICAL OFFICE ON ONE LOT ON 2. ACRES LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF GILLESPIE DRIVE AND NATIONAL DRIVE. ZONED REGIONAL EMPLOYMENT AND LOCATED WITHIN THE STATE HIGHWAY 121 OVERLAY D APPLICANT: ACADIAN OFFICE PARK AT RIDGEVIEW, LLC. THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION. >> THANK YOU. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REPLAT AS SUBMITTED. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? YES SIR. >> I'M CURIOUS WHY THIS WAS NOT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> REPLATS REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING, PER STATE LAW. >> Brounoff: OKAY. >> Chair Downs: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY -- THAT WAS A REALLY WEAK -- OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. [LAUGHTER] DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? >> NO, WE DO NOT. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. HERE WE GO. LET'S GET WITH THE DRILL HERE. ITEM 3. DISCUSSION COMMENTS MOTION. MR. BROUNOFF. >> Brounoff: I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NO. 3 AS SUBMITTED. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. >> SECOND. >> Chair Downs: I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER OLLEY TO APPROVE ITEM 3 AS SUBMITTED. PLEASE VOTE. THAT ITEM CARRIES 6-0. ITEM 4. >> NON-PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS: THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL PERMIT LIMITED PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA NOT POSTED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. TH PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLIS TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS, LENGTH OF THE AGENDA, AND TO & ENSURE MEETING EFFICIENCY, AND MAY INCLUDE A TOTAL TIME LIMIT. AGENDA ITEM NO. 3 IS -- >> Chair Downs: 4. >> SORRY. AGENDA ITEM NO. 4. DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION: THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS RULES AND REGULATIONS UPDATE - DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION PERTAINING TO SECTION 8: MULTIMODAL FACILITIES DESIGN REQUIREMENTS AS PART OF THE UPDATE OF THE CITY'S THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS RULES AN APPLICANT: CITY OF PLANO >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JASON APRIL. I'M THE SENIOR MOBILITY PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND I ALSO WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT BRIAN SHEWSKI IS HERE TONIGHT TO HELP ANSWER QUESTIONS FOR SECTION 8 MULTIMODAL. THE PLANNING AND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENTS ARE WORKING TO UPDATE THE THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS RULES AND REGULATIONS, KNOWN MORE SIMPLY AS THE THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS. AS A REMINDER, THIS DOCUMENT REGULATES THE MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF STREETS, SIDEWALKS, AND OTHER ROADWAY DESIGN ELEMENTS WITHIN THE CITY. THIS INCLUDES TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS AND OTHER TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS MEDIAN OPENINGS, VISIBILITY TRIANGLES, AND TURN LANE REQUIREMENTS, AMONG OTHERS. THIS WAS LAST UPDATED IN 2009 AND THE CITY HAS CONTRACTED WITH KIMLEY-HORN AND ASSOCIATES TO DEVELOP A NEW TRANSPORTATION MANUAL THAT INCORPORATES THE LATEST NATIONAL BEST PRACTICES FOR STREET DESIGN AND MULTIMODAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND WE'RE AIMING TO FINALIZE THIS SPRING OF 2023. SECTION 8 BRINGS ADDRESSES PEDESTRIAN BICYCLE AND TRANSIT FACILITY DESIGN GUIDELINES. THIS SECTION RESPONDS DIRECTLY TO POLICIES AND ACTIONS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 2021. THESE DESIGN STANDARDS AIM TO PROMOTE SAFE, COMFORTABLE, AND CONVENIENT ACCESS AND TRAVEL FOR PEOPLE OF ALL AGES AND ALL ABILITIES. GUIDELINES IN THIS SECTION ARE PRESENTED IN THREE CATEGORIES: PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES AND SIDEWALKS, BIKEWAY DESIGN GUIDELINES, AND TRANSIT FACILITY GUIDELINES. A SIDEWALK IS THE CLEAR UNOBSTRUCTED PAVED AREA WITHIN THE PEDESTRIAN ZONE. THIS IS BETWEEN THE CURB LINE OR THE EDGE OF THE PAVEMENT OF THE ROADWAY OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY LINE. SIDEWALKS CAN VARY IN WIDTH DEPENDING ON THE SURROUNDING LAND USE CONTEXT AND AVAILABLE RIGHT OF WAY. SECTION 8 OUTLINES THE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS WIDTH, GRADE, EASEMENTS, AND OTHER SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES. SECTION 8 ALSO OUTLINES MID-BLOCK CROSSINGS, DESIGNATED AREAS FOR PEDESTRIANS TO CROSS IN AREAS NOT NEAR, OR IN AREAS THAT ARE NOT CONVENIENT TO AN INTERSECTION. THE TYPICAL WIDTHS ARE OUTLINED I THE SECTION AS WELL AS LIGHTING AND SIGNAGE REQUIREMENTS TO INCREASE SAFETY. AT MINIMUM, A MID-BLOCK CROSSING SHOULD BE STRIPED, REGARDLESS OF THE PAVING MATERIAL. MID-BLOCK PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS MAY BE APPROPRIATE WHERE BLOCKS ARE LONG OR AREAS THAT HAVE HIGH PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC. TYPICAL APPLICATIONS INCLUDE CONNECTIONS TO MID-BLOCK BUS STOPS PARKS PLAZAS AND BUILDING ENTRANCES. A PEDESTRIAN SAFETY ISLAND REDUCES THE EXPOSURE TIME EXPERIENCED BPEDESTRIANS IN THE INRSECTION. THEY'REENERALLY APPLIED ON MULTI-LANE STREETS WHERE SPEEDS OF TRAFFIC AND WHERE TRAFFIC VOLUMES MAKE CROSSING DIFFICULT FOR A PEDESTRIAN AND THEY MAY FEEL UNSAFE. SECTION 8 OUTLINES THE MINIMUM DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS FOR THESE MID-BLOCK CROSSINGS THROUGH THE MEDIANS. THESE MEDIANS SHOULD BE WIDE ENOUGH FOR A PEDESTRIAN TO TAKE REFUGE COMFORTABLY AND THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE A BICYCLE AS WELL. A RAISED CROSSWALK IS A CROSSWALK AT THE SAME LEVEL AS A SIDEWALK ALONG THE ENTIRE WIDTH OF THE ROADWAY ORHE INTERSECTION. RAISED CROSSWALKS PROVIDE PEDESTRIANS WITH AN ELEVATED VIEW OF INCOMING VEHICLES. THEY ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR PEDESTRIANS TO USE CURB RAMPS, TO ENTER THE CROSSWALK UNLESS THE RAISED CROSSWALK IS ACROSS AN OPEN STREET WITHOUT CURB, AND RAMPS ARE TYPICALLY ADDED TO THE ROADWAY TO SLOW INCOMING VEHICLES. DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF PEDESTRIAN CONTROL PROVIDED AT THE MID-BLOCK CROSSING LOCATION, MID-BLOCK CROSSINGS CAN BE BROADLY CLASSIFIED AS ACWAITED. THAT MEANS MECHANICALLY OPERATED. AND NON-ACTUATED. AN ACTUATED SIGNAL CROSSING IS UP ABOVE AND A NON-ACTUATED, JUST WITH SIGNAGE, IS IN THE PHOTO BELOW. A GOOD EXAMPLE OF AN ACTUATED CROSSING IS A HIGH INTENSITY ACTIVATED CROSSWALK SIGNAL. THIS IS ALSO KNOWN AS A PEDESTRIAN HYBRID BEACON AND THEY HAVE FLASHING L.E.D. SIGNS AND THESE ARE PREFERRED AT CROSSWALKS FOR THE CITY. NON-ACTUATED CROSSINGS, NO DETECTION IS INSTALLED AT ANY OF THE CROSSINGS. A BIKEWAY IS ANY ROAD, PATH, OR FACILITY INTENDED FOR BICYCLE TRAVEL THAT DESIGNATED SPACE FOR BICYCLISTS. SECTION 8 OUTLINES THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THREE TYPES. SIDE PATHS, ON-STREET DEDICATED BIKE LANES AND SHARED LANES AS WELL AS THE REQUIREMENTS FOR PAVEMENT MARKINGS FOR THESE FACILITIES. A SIDE PATH IN THE TOP IMAGE ON THE POWERPOINT SLIDE IS ALSO CALLED AN OFF-STREET BIKEWAY. IT'S A FACILITY PHYSICALLY SEPARATED FOR MOTOR VEHICLE TRAFFIC. AN ON-STREET DEDICATED BIKE LANE IS TYPICALLY LOCATED WITHIN THE CURB SIDE OF THE FLEXIBLE ZONE. THEY CAN BE BUFFERED, TYPICALLY CALLED A CONVENTIONAL BIKE LANE OR BUFFERED. SEPARATED. BUFFERS ARE USED WITHIN BICYCLE AOTOREHICLE TRAVEL LES TO INCLUDE BICYCLISTS' COMFORT AND ALLOW BICYCLISTS TO PASS SLOWER-MOVING BICYCLISTS. A SHARED LANE IS A TRAVEL LANE LOCATED ON THE FAR RIGHT SIDE OF THE TRAVELWAY BE SHARED WITH BICYCLISTS. AND, FINALLY, IN SECTION 8 WE HAVE TRANSIT DESIGN GUIDELINES. IN SECTION 8 THE SECTION PROVIDES GUIDELINES TO CONSIDER WHEN DESIGNING TRANSIT FACILITIES TO BE UTILIZED IN PLANO. THESE TYPES OF FACILITI WIL BE GY OUTSIDE TRANSIT AGENCIES, MOST LIKELY DART, THE DALLAS AREA RAPID TRANSIT. HOWEVER, THE GUIDANCE IS HELPFUL FOR MOBILITY PLANNING EFFORTS CONDUCTED BY THE CITY. SOME HIGH LEVEL OF THE GUIDELINES IN SECTION 8 FOR TRANSIT STOPS. AMENITIES FOR THE STOPS SHOULD NOT BLOCK THE PATH OF TRAVEL FOR THE SIDEWALK. CROSSWALKS MUST BE ACCESSIBLE AND LOCATING TRANSIT STOPS AT SIGNALIZED INTERSECTIONS IS A PREFERRED METHOD BECAUSE IT PEDESTRIS WITHS FOR DISABILITIES. THERE ARE GUIDELINES FOR NEW BUS STOP PLACEMENT. AT A HIGH LEVEL, NEW BUS STOPS SHOULD BE PLACED CONVENIENTLY NEAR WHERE RIDERS WANT TO GO, SO THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF FIGURING OUT WHERE RIDERS ARE WANTING TO GO TO AND FROM. TRANSIT SIGNAL PRIORITY. THIS IS SHOWN IN THE IMAGE ON THE TOP. IT BASICALLY IS A SIGNAL THAT GIVES BUSES A FEW EXTRA SECONDS TO GET THROUGH AN INTERSECTION, AND SO THERE ARE DIFFERENT METHODS BUT THE BUS IS ALLOWED A FEW EXTRA TIMES TO GET THROUGH. IT HEL WITH ON-TIME PERFORMANCE AND OVERALL TRAFFIC CONGESTION. TWO JUMP LANES. THEY ALLOW FOR BUSES TO LITERALLY JUMP IN FRONT OF THE QUEUE OF A LINE AT BUS STOPS SO THEY CAN IMPROVE THEIR ON-TIME PERFORMANCE AS WELL. AND WE RECOMMEND THE COMMISSION PROVIDE DIRECTION PERTAINING TO SECTION 8 MULTIMODAL FACILITIES DESIGN REQUIREMENTS AS PART OF THE UPDATE TO THE CITY'S THOROUGHFARE RULES AND REGULATIONS. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. >> Chair Dns: CANOU BACK UP THROUGH TO BASICALLY WHERE THE DIAGRAMS KIND OF START? GO TO PEDESTRIAN. YOU KIND OF WALKED THROUGH THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF CROSSINGS AND SO I KNOW THAT OUR TRAFFIC CONTROL FOLKS ARE VERY, VERY INTERESTED IN FIGURING OUT WAYS TO GET TRAFFIC MOVING THROUGH THE CITY, PARTICULARLY ON COIT, PREST, INDEPENDENCE SO THAT PEOPLE AREN'T SITTING IN TRAFFIC. IT'S JUST MOVING. SO IF YOU'RE ON ONE OF THAT -- THE BLUEBONNET MAJOR TRAIL THAT RUNS THROUGH THERE AND YOU'RE IN THE MORNING OR THE AFTERNOON, THE WAY THE TRAFFIC SITUATION IS SET UP, YOU MAY HAVE TO STAND THERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME. NOW, ONE OF THE OPTIONS IS YOU& PUT IN ONE OF THOSE MANUALLY-ACTIVATED DEALS. SO NOW THE TRAFFIC'S GOT TO STOP NOT FOR TRAFFIC CUTTING ACROSS THERE BUT FOR SOME GUY ON A BICYCLE OR A GUY WALKING HIS DOG. THAT'S PROBABLY MORE IRRITATING THAN TRAFFIC WOULD BE. DO WE CONSIDER EITHER BELOW GRADE OR ABOVE-GRADE SIGNIFICANT PASSOVER-TYPE PEDESTRIAN AND CYCLIST CROSSINGS FOR OUR MAJOR THOROUGHFARES. SAFSAFETY -- I KNOW THERE'S A COST BUT WE SHOULD BE THINKING AND TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IS THERE A REASON? NO ONE'S ASKED FOR IT OR YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN INSTRUCTION WE WILL NEVER SPEND THAT MUCH BU IT COULD BE PART OF A BOND PACKAGE. LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT PIECE. ANY FEEDBACK, THOUGHTS? >> YEAH, I THINK A PROJECT LIKE THAT IS GOING TO BE SITE SPECIFIC AND PROBABLY REQUIRE ENGINEERING STUDIES AT THAT SPECIFIC LOCATION TO DETERMINE WHAT'S BEST. AND SO IT'S HARD TO PUT THOSE KINDS OF SPECIFIC DESIGN FEATURES IN A STANDARD TEMPLATE THAT'S FOR BROAD APPLICATION ACROSS THE CITY. THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'RE LOOKING MORE TO HERE'S THE STANDARD FOR MID-BLOCK CROSSINGS THAT ARE NOT MAYBE IN THAT SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE CREATING A TRAFFIC ISSUE. IF IT GETS TO THA LEVEL, ENGINEERING IS GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN A FULL-BLOWN STUDY AND WHAT IS IN THIS STANDARD MAY NOT BE APPLICABLE AT THIS POINT. >> Chair Downs: IS THERE ANY REFERENCE TO THOSE IN HERE, EITHER WITHOUT A STANDARD OR A DESIGN ELEMENT, WITHOUT THERE BEING SOMETHING IN HERE THAT SAYS THESE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS A VIABLE ALTERNATIVE IN OUR MID-BLOCK CROSSINGS FOR PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, EASE OF TRAFFIC CONGESTION, ET CETERA. SHOULDN'T THAT LANGUAGE BE SOMEWHERE IN HERE, EVEN IF WE'RE NOT GETTING DOWN INTO THE NITTY-GRITTY? BECAUSE WITHOUT IT IT'S AN EASY OPPOSITION POINT. SOMEBODY WANTSHAT. WELL, WE DON'T HAVE IT IN OUR STANDARDS TO EVEN THINK ABOUT IT. I'M THINKING IT SHOULD BE ADDED IN SOME FORM OR SHAPE, EVEN IF IT'S NOT DETAILED, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THE CITY IS WILLING TO CONSIDER AS PART OF ITS PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE STRUCTURE. >> YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD COMMENT. WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT. >> Chair Downs: IT JUST REMOVES ONE OF THE BARRIERS THAT WOULD COME UP. COMMISSIONER HORNE. >> Horne: GETTING BACK TO THAT SAME DISCUSSION, WE SAW WHAT THE CITY DID WITH REGARDS TO THE CROSSING AND MAKING THE CONNECTION TO THE SHOPS OF LEGACY AND LEGACY WEST. WELL, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING IN THE NEAR FUTURE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS ACROSS 75 TO GET TO THE COLLIN CREEK DEVELOPMENT. WE'VE GOT RESIDENTIAL OVER THERE AND WE CERTAINLY WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE THAT CONNECTIVITY THERE OR WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER SECTION WHERE WE'RE ISOLATED. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT FREE ALTERNATIVE MOBILITY TO GET FROM DNTOWN TO THE COLLIN CREEK MALL. AGAIN, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT WE TALK ABOUT AN OVERPASS. GRANTED, THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF STUDY TO SEE IF THERE'S A COST BENEFIT. I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT WE DID ON ALMA BY THE SOCCER FIELDS, WE PUT THE LIGHTS THERE FOR PEOPLE TO MIND THAT TRAFFIC. IT WOULD BE GREAT TO SEE WHAT THAT STUDY IS OF HOW MANY CARS STOP AT THAT LIGHT AND HOW MANY DON'T, JUST FROM A& PEDESTRIAN'S PERSPECTIVE. BUT THOSE TYPE OF IUES THERE WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO CONTINUE WITH THE CONNECTIVITY OF THE CITIZENS TO THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS, AND VICE VERSA. PEOPLE IN COLLIN CREEK MIGHT WANT TO GO TO DOWNTOWN. OUTSIDE OF GETTING IN YOUR CAR, THAT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN DO IT. JUST A THOUGHT THERE. >> Chair Downs: THAT'S A GOOD POINT. THAT'S VERY FORWARD LOOKING. I MEAN, A BIG CHUNK OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DEALING WITH OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS IS THAT 75 CORRIDOR AND HOW DO WE REDEVELOP THAT AND PROVIDE THE RIGHT STANDARDS FOR THAT KIND OFARIANCE. VERY GOOD POINT. ANYTHING ELSE ON PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE -- WE'LL LET YOU GO. >> Tong: YEAH, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE TWO COMMISSIONERS REGARDING THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY, OF THE CONNECTIVITY FROM ONE LOCATION TO ANOTHER. I ALSO WANT TO ASK ABOUT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF SOME SIDEWALKS FOR PEDESTRIANS. I'M NOT SURE SOMEWHERE IN OUR STANDARDS THAT WE'LL ACTUALLY GO BACK TO WHAT WE HAVE TODAY THAT ARE KIND OF DANGEROUS T PEDESTRIANS. BECAUSE I'VE SEEN A LOT OF SIDEWALKS THAT HAVE FIRE HYDRANTS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SIDEWALKS OR METAL BARS OR -- I GUESS, WHAT WOULD YOU CALL THOSE? LIKE A BIG -- >> Chair Downs: THE CABLES? >> Tong: THE METAL CABLES -- >> Chair Downs: POWER LINES. >> Tong: DIAGONALLY ACROSS THE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS. PEOPLE HAVE TO DUCK OR IF IN THE DARK, WHEN THEY'RE RING A BIKE, THEY WOULD BE STRANGLED. IT HAS HAPPENED TO ME. [LAUGHTER] NO STRANGLED BUT IT'S VERY DANGEROUS. YOU RUN INTO THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY LOW AND IS THERE ANY SURVEY WORK THAT WE SHOULD DO OR WE CAN DO TO GET RID OF THOSE DANGEROUS POINTS ALONG ALL THE SIDEWALKS AROUND THE CITY? >> I WOULD SAY THERE ARE OTHER -- YOU COULD VIEW THE SIDEE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE TRANSPORTATION DESIGN. YOU MENTIONED LIGHTING. THERE ARE SECTIONS WHERE WE'LL BE WORKING ON STREET LIGHTING AND SIDEWALK FOR SAFETY. SO SOME OF THOSE ISSUES I THINK WOULD BE ADDRESSED IN SOME OF THE OTHER SECTIONS AS WELL. >> ALSO, I THINK THESE ARE GREAT COMMENTS. I THINK THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT BEYOND THE SCOPE OF WHAT THIS MANUAL IS ABOUT, THOUGH. THIS IS NOT TELLING US WHERE TO PUT THEM OR WHAT OUR CURRENT CONDITIONS ARE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S MORE LIKELY DONE IN THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN OR CORRIDOR PLAN OR SOME SPECIFIC STUDY OF A SPECIFIC ISSUE. THESE ARE MORE BROADLY HOW DO WE DESIGN STREETS ACROSS THE CITY, HOW DO WE PUT STANDARD TEMPLATES IN PLACE THAT WE CAN FOLLOW WHEN THOSE PLANS TELL US TO PUT THEM THERE. >> Tong: THANK YOU. >> BRIAN SHEWSKI, TRANSPORTATION MANAGER. WE ACTUALLY ARE DOING INVENTORIES AND HAVE BEEN FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. WE HAVE -- I FORGOT THE NUMBER. IT'S A VERY HIGH LINEAR LENGTH OF SIDEWALKS THAT ARE CONTINUALLY BEING UPDATED. WE'RE ACTUALLY UPDATING OUR SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL AND IT'S ALSO INCLUDED IN THAT IS AN INVENTORY OF ALL THE SIDEWALKS THAT WE USE TO GET TO ALL THE PISD AND FISD SCHOOLS. YES, WE ACTUALLY ARE DOING THE INVENTORIES TO ADDRESS THOSE LOCATIONS THAT YOU'VE BROUGHT UP. THANK YOU. >> Tong: APPRECIATE IT. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER OLLEY. >> Olley: THIS IS PROBABLY MORE OF A LEGAL QUESTION. THE CONFORMANCE TO THE ADA REQUIREMENTS FEDERAL STATE AND LOCAL, IS IT A GREATER OF KIND OF THING? SO THE FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS ARE MORE >> Chair Downs: STRICT. >> Olley: STRICT. ARE WE GOING GREATER OF THAN STATE VERSUS LOCAL? OR DOES THE LOCAL TAKE PRECEDENCE REGARDLESS OF FEDERAL OR STATE? >> I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL CAN ANSWER THAT ON A GENERAL BASIS. I CAN'T. I WOULD NEED A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE SO I COULD FIGURE OUT WHICH WOULD TAKE PRECEDENCE IN A PARTICULAR SITUATION. IS THERE SOMETHING YOU HAVE IN MIND? >> Olley: SPECIFIC TO THE SIDEWALKS, I GUESS. THE DESIGN OF THE SIDEWALKS MUST CONFORM TO CURRENT FEDERAL, STE, AND LOCAL ADA. >> BRIAN SHEWSKI, TRANSPORTATION MANAGER. THE HIGHEST LEVEL IS THE FEDERAL LEVEL. WE HAVE TO ADHERE TO THAT. IF THERE HAPPENS TO BE A STATE OR CITY STANDARD THAT GOES ABOVE THAT STANDARD, THEN WE WOULD ADHERE TO THAT. SO AT NO POINT DO WE EVER GO BELOW THE FEDERAL STANDARDS FOR ADA COMPLIANCE. >> Olley: WHAT IF IT'S THE REVERSE, THE FEDERAL BAR IS RELATIVELY LOW AND THE CITY ORDINCES MBE -- OR THE STATE ORDINANCE IS MAYBE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER. DO WE, AS A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE, DO WE PICK THE LOWEST BAR POSSIBLE? >> PERSONALLY, WE PICK THE BAR THAT PROVIDES THE HIGHEST DEGREE OF SAFETY FOR PEDESTRIANS. >> Olley: THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER CARY. >> Cary: I LIKE A LOT OF WHAT I HEARD HERE AND I ESPECIALLY LIKE LOOKING AT BEST PRACTICES TO TRY TO PUT THIS TOGETHER. I'M GOING TO ASK YOU A QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'LL HAVE AN ANSWER TO IT. I REALLY LIKE THE FOCUS ON BIKING HERE AND I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORNITY FOR US TO IMPROVE IT AND CERTAINLY SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE BY CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONER HORNE ARE WISE IN THAT REGARD. BUT MY QUESTION IS THIS: SO YOU HAVE WHAT YOU CALL SEPARATED BIKE LANES AND DEDICATED BIKE LANES. AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S GOING TO BE A COST DIFFERENCE IN EXECUTING THOSE. BUT MY QUESTION IS THIS: IS THERE ANY INFORMATION, BASED ON WHAT YOU GUYS WERE DOING, ABOUT THE SAFETY OF ONE OF THOSE OVER THE OTHER? IT SEEMS INTUITIVELY THAT A SEPARATED BIKE LANE IS GOING TO PROVIDE A LOT MORE SAFETY. I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS WHO ARE BIKERS AND MOST OF THEM HAVE BEEN HIT BY CARS. IT'S A REAL ISSUE. SOME TRAGICALLY. SO AS WE'RE LOOKING TO WHAT WE DO, I JUST THINK THE MORE WE CAN LEAN INTO SAFETY THE BETTER. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE PLANO BECOME TREMENDOUSLY MORE BIKE FRIENDLY. BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION IS DO YOU HAVE ANY DATA ON HOW MUCH MORE PROTECTION A SEPARATED BIKE LANE MIGHT OFFER? >> I DO NOT HAVE ANY DATA OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. JUST ANECDOTALLY IN THE FIELD HAVING A SEPARATED BIKE LANE IS LIKELY MORE SAFER. ALSO IN SECTION 8 WE LIST ALL THE VARIOUS FEATURES YOU CAN ADD TO A SEPARATED BIKE LANE. ARMADILLOS AND SOME OF THE OTHER PILINGS -- NOT ARMADILLOS THE ANIMAL -- [ LAUGHTER ] >> Cary: I DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE IN THE ARMADILLO BUSINESS. >> YEAH, LARGE BUMPS TO PREVENT VEHICLES FROM CROSSING INTO THAT BIKE LANE. TYPICALLY A BIKE LAN WOULD WANT TO BE FIVE FEET WIDE AT LEAST. SIX FEET. SO WITHIN THAT SPACE IF IT'S NOT A SEPARATED BIKE LANE, YOU STILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF BUFFER. THERE WOULD BE NOTHING TO STOP A VEHICLE FROM POSSIBLY GETTING INTO THAT. >> Cary: AND WITH THE EVENT OF EVERYBODY BEING ON THEIR CELL PHONES ALL THE TIME, I THINK IT'S REALLY INCREASED THE DANGER OF PEOPLE WANTING TO BIKE AND I'M A BIG FAN OF BIKING ESPECIALLY. THANKOU. >> ON THE TRANSIT SIDE, I'M LOOKING AT YOUR DRAWINGS HERE AND I'M SEEING. >> Chair Downs: HANG ON ONE SECOND. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AROUND BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN? COMMISSIONER TONG. >> Tong: ONE MORE QUESTION BECAUSE I JUST WALK A LOT AND BIKE A LOT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I FEEL LIKE SOME OF THE WALKING PATHS OR THE SIDEWALKS ARE REALLY NARROW. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S PART OF THE SCOPE OF THIS WORK. LIKE, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT -- OR ANY STU STUDY HOW WIDE IF I SEE SOMEONE COMING TO ME I HAVE TO WALK OFF THE STREET OR OFF THE SIDEWALK SO THAT THE OTHER PERSON CAN PASS. OR IF I'M ON THE BIKE ON THE SIDEWALK, I LITERALLY HAVE TO HIT MY SHOULDER ON THE FENCE OF THE OTHER SIDE. >> Chair Downs: BOY. >> Tong: LITERALLY THAT HAPPENED TO ME. I'M THINKING ABOUT THE WIDTH OF THE SIDEWALK, IF THERE'S A STANDARD WE CAN MAKE IT WIDER OR MORE ACCESSIBLE FOR PEDESTRIANS AND MAKE BIKERS. >> SO THE SIDEWALK WIDTH WOULD DEPEND ON THE LAND USE CONTEXT. SOME OF THE THINGS WE PRESENTED LAST TIME, SOME AREAS WE ARE ADVOCATING FOR WIDER SIDEWALKS TO MAKE PEOPLE FEEL SAFER IN CERTAIN CONTEXTS. BUT IT'S ALL BASED OFF OF THE AVAILABLE RIGHT OF WAY AND WHAT'S IN THE AREA AROUND IT. BUT WE WOULD ADVOCATE FOR AS WIDE OF SIDEWALKS AS WE CAN SO PEOPLE FEEL SAFEST. >> Tong: OKAY. THANK YOU. >> I'LL ADD TO THAT. I THINK THE MINIMUM IS INCREASING TO A FIVE-FOOT SIDEWALK, SO TT WI BE TH ANDARD IN MOST LOCATIONS. AND THEN THERE'S SOME SPECIFIC EXAMPLES THAT ARE EVEN IN THIS CHAPTER WHERE IF YOU'RE NEXT TO ONE OF THOSE SCREENING WALLS ALONG THE ROADWAY YOU NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE ROOM BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE ELBOW ROOM. OR IF YOU'RE NEXT TO A CULVERT OR CROSSING A BRIDGE, THERE'S SOME SITUATIONS WHERE YOU NEED A WIDER SIDEWALK THAT MAY NOT BE STIPULATED SPECIFICALLY TO THAT STREET SECTION. THAT'S ALL COVERED IN THIS MANUAL. >> Tong: GREAT. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: THAT BRINGS UP THE QUESTION IF WE'RE GOING TO FIVE-FOOT SIDEWALKS. I'M ASSUMING THAT'S IN NON-RESIDENTIAL AREA. NOT MY NEIGHBORHOOD SIDEWALK. YORE N GOING T TEAR UP THE THREE-FOOT SIDEWALKS THAT ARE THERE AND REPLACE THEM WITH FIVES? ONLY BECAUSE OF THE COST TO HOMEOWNERS BECAUSE OF LANDSCAPING IRRIGATION EVERYTHING ELSE. THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS BECAUSE THE SIDEWALKS ARE CONTROLLED BY AND REBUILT BY THE CITY. SO IF THE EXISTING SIDEWALK IS THREE FEET -- I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE. MAYBE IT'S 3.5, WHATEVER IT IS. IF THEY GO THROUGH AND REPAIR THEM THE WAY THEY'VE BEEN DOING, IF WE APPROVE A FIVE-FOOT SIDEWALK HERE, IS THAT GOING TO BE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICTS, IT'S GOING TO BE A FIVE-FOOT SIDEWALK? AND, IF SO, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THE NEW STANDARD THAT SAYS, BY THE WAY, YOU HAVE TO TEAR OUT THESE TREES, TEAR OUT THIS ROCK LANDSCAPING. HOW ARE WE GOING TO MANAGE THAT? >> CURRENTLY IT IS FIVE FOOT IN ALL LOCATIONS. THAT'S BECOMING THE STANDARD IN MOST CITIES THESE DAYS IS A FIVE-FOOT SIDEWALK IN MOST NEIGHBORHOODS. WHETHER WE REPLACE -- AND THEY'RE GOING TO VARY DEPENDING ON WHAT DECADE THEY ARE BUILT. >> Chair Downs: IS IT GOING TO BE A GRANDFATHER CLAUSE IN HERE OR, N WE'RE STILL GOING TO TRY TO MOVE THIS? >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT. WE CAN TALK TO PUBLIC WORKS AND SEE THE BEST WAY TO HANDLE THAT. ULTIMATELY WE TRY TO GET AS MANY WIDER SIDEWALKS AS WE CAN. >> Chair Downs: I AGREE WITH YOU. I SEE THIS HURDLE COMING UP, WATER VALVES, IRRIGATION AND EVERYTHING ELSE AS FAR AS US AS A CITY SAYING WE'RE COMMITTED TO FIVE-FOOT SIDEWALKS. THAT MEANS THAT COUNCIL NEEDS TO COMMIT TO A BUDGET TO REIMBURSE HOMEOWNERS FOR REWORKING LANDSCAPING, IRRIGATION, AND EVERYTHING ELSE. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE ONIDEWALKS? SIDEWALKS OR PEDESTRIAN? >> I'M TRANSIT. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO TRANSIT. I HAVE SOMETHING AS WELL WITH COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF. GO AHEAD. >> Brounoff: WITH REGARD TO TRANSIT, I NOTICED YOU'RE PROVIDING A DISCUSSION OF TRANSIT STOPS. IN THE QUEUE JUMP LANES, I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF CARS DO THAT. I GUESS YOU WANT THE BUSES TO GET IN ON THE ACT, IS THAT IT? WHAT I'M NOT SEEING IS A DISCUSSS LANES IN APPROPRIATE AREAS WHERE THERE MAY BE A HIGHER VOLUME OF BUS TRAFFIC, ESPECIALLY AROUND THE DART TRANSIT AREAS. ALSO, I DON'T SEE ANY DISCUSSION OF DESIGNATED AREAS FOR THE QUEUING OF RIDE SHARE CARS FOR PICK UP AND DROPOFF, YOU KNOW UBER AND LYFT. MY SON DRIVES FOR BOTH UBER AND LYFT AND IF HE GOES TO THE DFW AIRPORT ON A RIDE, THERE ARE AREAS DESIGNATED FOR DROPOFFS AND PICKUPS AND IF THERE COULD BE A DESIGNATED SPACE IN DART RAIL STOPS, LARGER HOTELS, MALLS, THAT KIND OF THING. THAT MIGHT BE A WORTHY CONSIDERATION. >> YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THE UBER/LYFT, THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED IN THE CURBSIDE MANAGEMENT SECTION, SO THE ACTIVITY THAT'S HAPPENING ALONG THE CURBSIDE FLEX ZONE. THAT'S WHERE THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED. I'LL HAVE TO CHECK IN THE DRAFT THAT WE HAVE TO SEE IF IT IS REFERENCE BECAU I THINK IT'S A GOOD POINT. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. ON THE BUS STOP, WE HAVE HAD MANY DISCUSSIONS HERE -- AND I KNOW WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL EVEN. THERE'S LONG BEEN DISCUSSIONS AROUND PARTNERING WITH DART TO OFFER A, YOU KNOW, EXPRESS BUS SERVICE ACROSS TOWN AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. I THINK IT WAS SPRING CREEK WAS IDENTIFIED AS A POTENTIAL FOR THAT. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S RIGHT IN THIS -- THE RIGHT PLACE FOR IT HERE IN THESE SPECIFIC GUIDELINES BUT DO WE TALK ABOUT ANYWHERE IN HERE EXPRESS LANES, BUS EXPRESS LANES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? >> WE DO NOT IN THIS DRAFT, NO. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. SO I BROUGHT THAT POINT UP. SECOND ONE IS, AGAIN, I'M REACHING OUT THERE A LITTLE WAYS BUT FROM A TRANSIT STANDPOINT WE CAN OBVIOUSLY MODIFY THIS LATER ON BUT IS IT WORTH NOTING AT THIS POINT THE POSSIBILITY OF, LIKE THIS UBER, LYFT, WHATEVER THAT THING IS, WHAT KINDS OF AREAS, WHAT DESIGN GUIDELINES WOULD BE USED FOR THOSE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES? SO, AGAIN, THAT PROBABLY REQUIRES A TON OF ENGINEERING, A TON OF RESEARCH, EVERYTHING ELSE. JUST A NOD TO THE FUTURE IN OUR GUIDELINES SAYING WE REALIZE THIS IS COMING AT SOME POINT AND WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO ADDRESS IT. IT JUST SHOWS FORETHOUGHT AND WOULD KIND OF BE A SYMBOL TO ANYONE LOOKING AT IT THAT WE'RE FORWARD THINKING ABOUT OUR MOBILITY AND TRANSIT STANDARDS. ANYTHING ELSE ON TRANSIT? COMMISSIONER HORNE. >> Horne: WE TALKED ABOUT BUSES HERE BUT IF WE'RE LOOKING AT 2050, WAY FORWARD THINKING, WE'VE GOT TO SOMEWHAT MENTION AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES TOO. THAT WOULD FOLLOW IN THE DEDICATED LANES. I MEAN, I THINK WHAT WE CURRENTLY -- WHEN WE LOOKED AT WHAT DART WAS WORKING WITH, CENTRAL -- NOT CENTRAL BUT SPRING CREEK AND PLANO PARKWAY. AND THOSE WERE THE TWO MAJOR EAST/WEST THAT WERE GOING TO CONNECT DOWNTOWN WITH THE LEGACIES, IF YOU WILL. WE HAVE THE BUSES THERE, WHICH I THINK THEY'RE LOOKING AT NOW TRYING TO DO THAT. IF WE'RE LOOKING AT 2050 AND THE HOVERCRAFT, IF YOU WILL, OR WHATEVER. CERTAINLY AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES WILL PLAY INTO THAT TOO. SO I THINK, AS THE CHAIRMAN MENTIONED, WE SHOULD HAVE A NOD IN THIS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FROM A FORWARD-THINKING PERSPECTIVE. >> Chair Downs: ANYTHING ELSE? GOT LOTS OF NOTES? YOU GOOD? >> YEAH. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY LEFT HERE IN THE AUDIENCE, I DON'T THINK THAT MHT WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. NO? NOW'S YOUR CHANCE, SIR. [LAUGHTER] >> Chair Downs: HE'LL PASS. VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT. LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM 5. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 5. DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION: SILVE LINE STATION AREAS PLAN - PHASE 1 REPORT (SECTIONS 4 AND 5) - REVIEW, DISCUSS, AND PROVIDE DIRECTION ON SECTIONS 4 AND 5 O& THE SILVER LINE STATION AREA PLA APPLICANT: CITY OF PLANO >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JASON APRIL, SENIOR MOBILITY PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. AND I'M GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE SILVER LINE PLAN. IN THE FALL OF 2020 THE CITY UNDERTOOK THE SILVER LINE CORRIDOR MARKET ASSESSMENT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. >> Chair Downs: HANG ON ONE SECOND. >> I DON'T THINK WE CALLED THAT PROPERLY. >> NO, WE DID NOT. MY APOLOGIES. IT'S DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION: SILVER LINE STATION AREAS PLAN, PHASE 1 REPORT SECTIONS 4 AND 5. REVIEW AND DISCUSSION AND PROVIDE DIRECTION ON SECTIONS 4 AND 5 OF THE SILVER LINE STATION AREAS PLAN, PHASE 1 REPORT. APPLICANT IS CITY OF PLANO. MY APOLOGIES. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU FOR CATCHING THAT. SHE CALLED ITEM 5 RIGHT BUT IT WAS THE DESCRIPTION THAT WAS INCORRECT. SORRY. >> MAY I PROCEED? >> Chair Downs: YES. >> IN THE FALL OF 2020, THE CITY UNDERTOOK THE SILVER LINE CORRIDOR MARKET ASSESSMENT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY AS A FIRST STEP IN UNDERSTANDING THE IMPACTS OF THE DART RAIL ON SURROUNDING LAND USE. IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR, YOU MAY REMEMBER THE COMMISSION DIRECTED STAFF TO INITIATE AN AREA PLAN WITHIN A HALF MILE OF THE FUTURE SILVER LINE STATIONS IN ORDER TO GUIDE DEVELOPMENT AND ADDRESS REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT WERE PRESENTED IN THE STUDY THAT YOU ALL SAW IN FEBRUARY AND THE COVER OF THAT IS ON THE POWPOINT. THE SILVER LINE MARKET ASSESSMENT REPORT OUTLINED A VARIETY OF EXPECTED RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL TYPOLOGIES, WHICH ARE ALL SHOWN ON THE SCREEN. A HANDFUL OF THE TYPOLOGIES FROM THE MARKET ASSESSMENT WERE NOT INCLUDED BECAUSE THE MARKET ASSESSMENT FOUND THAT THEY WERE NOT EXPECTED, SO I DID WANT TO POINT OUT SOME TYPOLOGIES FROM THE STUDY IN FEBRUARY WERE NOT INCLUDED. THERE WAS NO NEED TO EVALUATE BECAUSE THEY WERE FOUND NOT TO BE EXPECTED. CLASS A OFFICE, STRIP RETAIL, HIGH-RISE RESIDENTIAL, AND FULL-SERVICE HOTEL. FINDINGS OF THE ZONING ANALYSIS, THEY'RE NOT RECOMMENDATIONS BUT THEY'RE SIMPLY AN ANALYSIS AND A REFERENCE GUIDEBOOK FOR FUTURE PHASES OF THE EXISTING ZONING TODAY AND WHAT CHANGES WOULD LIKELY NEED TO OCCUR TO ALLOW REDEVELOPMENT OF ANY IDENTIFIED TYPOLOGIES FROM THE REPORT FROM FEBRUARY. THE THE REPORT EXPLORES IF THE ZONING ISUPPORTIVE OF THE CURRENT MARKET CONDITIONS. SECTION 4 RESPONDS TO, WHICH DISTRICTS ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE TYPOLOGIES PRESENTED OVERALL, ARE THE SUBDISTRICTS ZONED TO ALLOW THE EXPECTED REDEVELOPMENT TYPOLOGIES, ARE THERE BARRIERS IN THE EXISTING ZONING TO MEET MARKET DEMAND AND FACILITATE REDEVELOPMENT. AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL, WE ANALYZE THE ZONING DISTRICTS WITHIN BOTH STUDY AREAS. YOU CAN SEE A MAP OF THOSE ON TH POWPOINT. WE LOOKED AT BOTH 1T AND SHILOH WITHIN THE HALF-MILE BUFFER AND ONLY ANALYZED ZONING DISTRICTS WITHIN THE STUDY AREA BOUNDARIES, SO IN THE ZONING PRESENTED THROUGH THE REPORT WE ONLY LOOKED WITHIN THE STUDY AREA BOUNDARIES. WE TOOK THE PROPOSED TYPOLOGIES AND THE EMBEDDED CHARACTERISTICS AND WE OUTLINED ACROSS THE BOARD WHETHER EACH TYPOLOGY WAS PERMITTED O N WITHIN EACH ZONING DISTRICT. IN THE IMAGE ON THE LEFT, THE RESIDENTIAL AND NONRESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS ARE REPORTED IN THE ROWS WHILE THE TYPOLOGIES ARE IN THE COLUMNS. IF THE TYPOLOGY WAS PERMITTED, IT'S SHOWN IN GREEN. IF IT'S PERMITTED WITH SPECIAL CONDITIONS IT'S SHOWN IN THE POWERPOINT IN YELLOW. IF IT'S NOT PERMITTED, IT'S NOT COLORED. AS YOU SAW IN SECTION 4, WE DIVE INTO THE ZONING DISTRICT STANDARDS. THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT SHOWS WHERE TYPICAL COMPONENTS OF THE ZONING DTRIC LIK THE MINIMUM LOT AREAS, MINIMUM LOT WIDTH COVERAGE ETC. WERE COMPARED TO GROUPS OF SIMILAR USES, SO SINGLE-FAMILY, MULTIFAMILY INDUSTRIAL ETC. SECTION 4 ALSO INCORPORATED THE SUBDISTRICTS DEVELOPED IN THE FEBRUARY MARKET ASSESSMENT REPORT. AND HERE'S A REMINDER OF THE 12TH STREET SUBDISTRICTS. THIS POWERPOINT IS THE -- INCLUDES THE SHILOH DISTRICTS. THE MARKET ASSESSMENT REPORT OUTLINED THE EXPECTED TYPOLOGIES WITHIN EACH SUBDISTRICT. ON THE NEXT FEW SLIDES, I WANTED TO WALK THROUGH SOME EXAMPLES OF THE METHODOLOGY THAT WE USED IN THE DOCUMENT. SO, LET'S START WITH K AVENUE EXTENSION SOUTH. THE MARKET ASSESSMENT REPORT STATED THAT AMONG ALL RESIDENTIAL TYPOLOGIES, ALL OF THEM EXCEPT THE SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED AND THE HIGH-RISE RESINTIAL WOULD BE EXPECTED. YOU CAN SEE THE SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED AND HIGH-RISE RESIDENTIAL ARE X'D OUT. FOR COMMERCIAL, THERE WERE A FEW MORE TYPOLOGIES EXPECTED. IN THIS CASE, REHABILITATED INDUSTRIAL, FOUR OR FIVE OVER ONE-STORY COMMERCIAL AND STANDALONE RETAIL. SO, TAKING THAT INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT WAS EXPECTED IN THE TYPOLOGIES FOR OUR EXAMPLE SUBDISTRICT, YOU CAN SEE ON THE FIRST GRAYOLUMN THE LIST OF TYPOLOGIES FOR EACH ROW. THE SECOND COLUMN OR THE NUMBER 1 RESPONDS TO WHETHER THE TYPOLOGY WAS EXPECTED OR NOT IN THE SUBDISTRICT. SO THAT COLUMN SAYS THAT ALL OF THOSE TYPOLOGIES EXCEPT FOR SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED WAS EXPECTED IN THE MARKET REPORT FOR THE K AVENUE EXTENSION SOUTH. AND THEN THE LAST COLUMN IT LISTS THE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT ARE INSIDE THAT SUBDISTRICT. SO IN THIS CASE IT'S BG AND LIT COMRCIAL. A FULL CIRCLE INDICATES THAT THE ZONING FULLY SUPPORTS THE TYPOLOGY AND IT'S ALSO EXPECTED. A HALF CIRCLE INDICATES IT'S NOT FULLY SUPPORTED AND A BLANK CIRCLE MEAN'S IT'S NOT SUPPORTED OR THAT ROW WAS NOT AN EXPECTED TYPOLOGY. SO ON THE TOP, THE SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED WAS NOT EXPECTED. IT'S NOT HIGHLIGHTED BG OR LC BECAUSE IT'S NOT EXPECTED. >> QUICK CORRECTION, THE BUBBLES ARE WHETHER THEY'RE ALLOWED OR NOT IN THE DISTRICT. >> OH. >> THE CIRCLES ARE WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE PERMITTED IN THAT APPLICABLE ZONING DISTRICT -- >> Chair Downs: RATHER THAN EXPECTED. >> CORRECT. >> WOULD YOU PLEASE SAY THAT AGAIN? THE EMPTY CIRCLES ARE PERMITTED OR NOT? >> NOT. THOSE FULLY BLACK, PERMITTED. >> Chair Downs: UNDER CURRENT ZONING. >> GOT IT. THANK YOU. >> AND HALF IS PARTIAL. >> Tong: OKAY. THANK YOU. >> SO, FOLLOWING THIS EXAMPLE, YOU CAN SEE THAT BG IS SUPPORTED, THE EXPECTED TYPOLOGIES, BUT LIKE COMMERCIAL, IS PARTIALLY SUPPORTS. SO THIS ALLOWS A COMPARISON BETWEEN THE TWO ZONING DISTRICTS THAT WILL BE USEFUL AS WE MOVE INTO THE NEXT PHASES THINKING ABOUT WHAT TYPE OF ZONING WOULD WE WANT FOR EXPECTED TYPOLOGIES. AND HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE, BUT THIS ONE IS IN THE SH SHILOH STY AREA, ONLY ONE EXPECTED TYPOLOGY. IN THIS CASE, IT'S THE GREEN CHECK MARK FOR SGLE-MILY DETACHED. FOR COMMERCIAL, THERE ARE NO EXPECTED COMMERCIAL TYPOLOGIES. THE MARKET ASSESSMENT REPORT DID NOT EXPECT THE SUB SUBDISTRICT O TRANSITION FROM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL. IN THIS EXAMPLE, THE EXISTING ZONING SUPPORTS THE EXPECTED SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED TOD TYPOLOGY, SF6 AND SF7 WOULD MEET THE EXPECTED TYPOLOGIES. CHANGES WOULD BE UNLIKELY. THE REPORT OUTLINES IN DETAIL THE IMPACT THAT ZONING HAS ON USES AND SET DATBACKS, BUT WE KW FROM THE REPORT THAT PARKING IS AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT TO TOD. THE REPORT ANALYZEED THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS EMBEDDED IN THE ZONING DISTRICT COMPARED TO USE -- IN OTHER WORDS, HOW MUCH FLOOR AREA IS REQUIRED FOR EVERY SQUARE FOOT PARKING.ING -- FLIP. INTERESTING RESTAURANTS AS A USE REQUIRED THREE TO FOUR SQUARE FEET OF PARKING PER SQUARE FOOT OF RESTAURANT. FOR BG, IT IS MORE OF A ONE TO ONE REQUIREMENT. THE PARKING ANALYSIS IN THE REPORT IS A FIRST STEP AND WE DO PLAN TO DIG DEEPER INTO THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS AS WE MOVE ON IN FUTURE PHASES. ALSO AS REPORTED IN SECTIONS 1-3, BLOCK PATTERN AND STREETSCAPE, AS WELL AS OUTDOOR AMENITIES SUCH AS PLAZAS AND PARKS ARE IMPORTANT COMPONENTS TO SUCCESSFUL TODs. FOR BLOCK SIZES, FUTURE PHASES OF THE PROJECT SHOULD CONSIDER SMALLER BLOCK LENGTHS IN THE STUDY AREA. OUR OBSERVATION IS ESPECIALLY AROUND 12TH -- AND THIS WOULD HELP PROVIDE ADDITIONAL STREET FRONTAGE -- AND AN ANALYSIS OF PARKS AND OPEN SPACE FOUND 5.4 ACRES OF PARKLAND WITHIN 12TH AND ONLY 2.8 WITHIN SHILOH. SO WE SEE AN OPPORTUNITY IN BOTH AREAS FOR MORE PARKS AND PLAZAS TO SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS THE FUTURE TODs. THE LAST FEW PAGES OF SECTION 4 OUTLE KEY OBSERVATIONS FROM THE ZONING ALIGNMENT ANALYSIS. THE OBSERVATIONS ARE NOT RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED DURING FUTURE PHASES SUCH AS IN STAKEHOLDER INVOLVEMENT. SOME OBSERVATIONS INCLUDE MORE TOD DEVELOPMENT IS EXPECTED AROUND THE 12TH STREET STATION AREA THAT BE AROUND THE SHILOH. A NEW ZONING CATEGORY FOR URBAN-STYLE DETACHED HOMES AND TOWNHOMES COULD BE CONSIDERED. BG ALLOWS FOR VERY SIMILAR COMMERCIAL USES AS OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS, BUT IT ALLOWS MORE RESIDENTIAL USES THAT AREORE CONDUCIVE TO TOD. AND BOTH THE VENN DOME AND THE DOUGLAS SUBDISTRICT SHOULD BE REVIEWED MORE IN-DEPTH TO SUPPORT THE LONG-TERM VIABILITY OF THESE AREAS, ESPECIALLY AS WE MOVE BEGINNING OF NEXT YEAR INTO STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT FOR THESE STUDY AREAS. SO, MORE KEY TAKEAWAYS AND OBSERVATIONS. THERE ARE FOUR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES THAT FRONT ALONG MUNICIPAL AVENUE THAT ARE SEPARATE FROM THE REST OF THE INDUSTRIAL PARK TO THE SOUTHEAST. THESE COULD POTENTIALLY BECOME TOD CATALYST PROJECTS. THERE WAS NO LAND USE CLASSIFICATION OR ZONING TYPE DESIGN SPECIFICALLY FOR SLOT HOMES, SO THAT WAS A TYPOLOGY IN THE FEBRUARY MARKET ASSESSMENT REPORT, SLOT HOMES. A NEW DISTRICT MAY BE NEEDED TO ALLOW SMALL-SCALE MULTIFAMILY SUCH AS THESE SLOT HOMES, MULTIPLEXES AND COURTYARD APARTMENTS. AND THE STUDY COULD CONSIDER STRATEGIES TO ENCOURAGE PARKING STRUCTURES AND SHARED PARKING AGREEMENTS. SO, FOR THIS NEXT SLIDE, I'M SUMMARIZING SECTIONS 1-3, WHICH YOU SAW LAST P&Z AND SECTIONS 4 AND 5. SOME OF THE HIGH-LEVEL NARRATIVE WE SEE WE'D IN THE REPORT -- TY HAS A SUCCESSFUL HISTORY OF PLANNING FOR TODs. THEY'RE DIVERSE, DENSE, WALKABLE CONNECTED AND CONTEXT-SENSITIVE. WE FOUND THAT EVEN IN DFW EXAMPLES, I BELIEVE I PRESENTED A FEW THIS LAST MEETING, XISTING CONDITIONS TEND TO SUGGEST THAT 12TH STREET IS MORE SUPPORTIVE OF TOD TAY WITH THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT AND THE DENSITIES AND THE OTHER AMENITIES. AND ZONING CHANGES MAY BE NEEDED TO MEET MARKET DEMAND. SO, WE'RE ALMOST COMPLETE WITH PHASE ONE OF THE PLAN. WE'RE GOING TO BE MOVING INTO GOALS AND VISIONING NEXT WITH A FOCUS ON STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT AND THE DATA FROM THIS REPORT ALONG WITH THE MARKET ASSESSMENT FROM FEBRUARY WILL PROVIDE THE BASIS FOR THE VISIONING AND OUTLINING OPPORTUNITIES AS WE GET OUR HANDS IN THE MUD WITH DOING SOME PLANNING WORK, GETTING IN THE WEEDS OF PLANNING WITH THE COMMUNITY. I'LL THINK OF A BETTER METAPHOR. [ LAUGHING ] >> WE RECOMMEND THE COMMISSION REVIEW THE SILVER LINE STATION AREA PLAN PHASE ONE REPORT SECTIONS 4 AND 5 AND PROVIDE DIRECTION ON WHETHER ADDITIONAL RESOURCES OR DATA OR ANALYSIS SHOULD BE PROVIDED IN THIS SECTION. I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. I FIGURED THERE WOULD BE SOME LIGHTS ON. THE DETAIL IS EXCELLENT, IF IN PARTICULAR THE ANALYSIS SHOWING EXPECTED ZONING VERSUS WHAT'S THERE ALREADY, WHAT'S PERMITTED, WHAT'S NOT ALLOWED. THAT WILL HELP GUIDE US IN TERMS OF UNDERSTANDING WHAT TYPE OF ZONING CHANGES WE'RE LIKELY TO BE DISCUSSING AND APPROVING, OR PERHAPS APPROVING IN THE NEAR FUTURE. THANKS FOR THE EFFORT, BECAUSE YOU'VE PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO HOW YOU'RE GOING TO PRESENT THE INFORMATION. YOU DID A GREAT JOB WITH IT. COMMISSIONER HORNE. >> Horne: AGAIN, FANTASTIC JOB. APPRECIATE ALL THE ENERGY AND EFFORT YOU WENT INTO. IT WAS DETAIL-ORIENTED. IAS NOTICING AS WE WENT THROUGH THERE AND YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S ALLOWABLE AND EVERYTHING, AND YOU EMPHASIZED THAT WE MAY NEED TO REVIEW SMALLER BLOCK AREAS. AND IT SEEMS TO ME -- MS. HAN, THE PUBLIC SPEAKER? SHE TALKED ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS DESIGN DISTRICT AND A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY DESIGN DISTRICT. DID WE HAVE ANY CONSIDERATION OF THAT POSSIBLY PLAYING IN, PARTICULARLY ALONG 12TH STREET, YOU KNOW, THE TRANSIT. BECAUSE IT MEETS EVERYTHING YOU WANT. IT'S WALKABILITY, THERE'S SMALLER LOTS. IT'S A WALKABLE COMMUNITY. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE REALLY. I DIDN'T SEE ANY OF THAT MENTIONED IN ANY OF THIS TYPE OF STUDY. ANY CONSIDERATION ON THAT, OR ARE WE WAY OFF BASE? >> NO, ABSOLUTELY. IT'S A GREAT QUESTION, AND WE CONSIDERED IT. I THINK OUR DECISION WAS, THIS IS AN EXISTING CONDITIONS REPORT. WE WERE FOCUSED ON EXISTING ZONING AND OUTLINING THE LIMITATIONS. THAT'S A LOGICAL NEXT STEP, TO LOOK AT WHAT OTHER DISTRICTS ARE OUT THERE, WHAT OTHER CHANGES MAY BE NEEDED TO MEET THE NEEDS. AND ABSOLUTELY, THOSE WOULD BE WORTHY OF CONSIDERATION. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER OLLEY. >> Olley: GREAT QUESTION. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M READING IT, THE ONE THAT HAD THE CHECKMARKS AND THE Xs. >> Chair Downs: WHICH ONE? >> THERE WERE FOUR OF THOSE. >> Chair Downs: KEEP GOING. WHERE YOU HAD THE LIST OF ALL THE USES AND RED Xs OR GREEN CHECKMARKS, LIKE THAT ONE. >> Olley: SO IF I'M READING THIS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE ONE THATAME BEFORE,ND I'M SEEING THAT DOWNTOWN NORTH HAD PROBABLY MORE CHECKMARKS FOR COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL, AM I TO TAKE IT AS THAT'S MORE FAVORABLE OF A ZONING FOR THE TOD? I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO READ THIS CHART. >> SO JUST ON THIS SLIDE, WHAT THIS IS TELLING YOU -- >> Olley: IN COMBINATION WITH THE ONE BEFORE THAT WAS THE RESIDENTIAL, OR HOUSING. SO THIS HAD MORE GREEN CHECKMARKS THAN ITS COMMERCIAL COUSIN HAD MORE GREEN CHECKMARKS. AM I READING THAT TO SAY THAT DOWNTOWN NORTH, WHATEVER THAT SUBDISTRICT IS, WOULD BE A PREFERABLE TOD OR PREFERABLE FOR ANY OF THIS? >> SO WHAT THESE SLIDES ARE TELLING YOU IS FOR DOWNTOWN NORTH, FOR EXAMPLE, OF THE EXPECTED TYPOLOGIES FROM THE FEBRUARY REPORT, THEY FOUND THAT TOHOMEWOUL BE APPROPRIATE IN THE AREA AND THEY EXPECTED MARKET DEMAND. SLOT HOMES, LIVE/WORK AND ALL THE OTHERS EXCEPT FOR THE SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED AND THE HIGH-RISE RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE EXPECTED WITHIN THAT ZONE. THEN WE TOOK WHAT THE REPORT SAID AND THEN WE DRILLED DOWN AND LOOKED AT WHAT THE ZONING -- >> Chair Downs: EXISTING ZONING ALLOWED. >> WOULD SAY. AND SO FIND IT IN THE REPORT, BUT IT WILL BE LIKE PAGE 52 IS WHERE WE TOOK THE EXPECTED TYPOLOGIES AND THEN WE LOOD AT THE UNDERLYING ZONING WITHIN THAT SUBDISTRICT. AND SO THAT WILL TELL YOU -- >> Olley: GOTCHA. >> WHERE THE MARKET MEETS UP WITH THE ZONING YOU HAVE GREEN YESES, THE MARKET IS EXPECTING IT AND LOTS OF FULL DOTS THAT SAY, OKAY, THE ZONING SUPPORTS IT. THAT TELLS YOU YOU MIGHT HAVE A MATCH, WHAT'S EXPECTED, WHAT THE ZONING IS, AND WHERE THERE'S A MISMATCH POTENTIALLY. >> Chair Downs: YOU SAY EXPECTED. SOURCE FOR THE EXPECTATIONS? >> THE MARKET STUDY FROM EARER THIS YEAR. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF. >> Brounoff: THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXCELLENT REPORT. I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. WITH REGARD TO THE HALF-MILE RADIUS AROUND THE TRANSIT STATIONS, ALL OF YOUR DRAWINGS EXCEPT ONE SHOWED A PERFECT CIRCLE WITH A HALF-MILE RADIUS. OBVIOUSLY THAT CIRCLE IS GOING TO BISECT BLOCKS. IN MANY CASES, IT WILL BISECT INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES, WHICH YOU CLEARLY CAN'TO. I SGEST THAT YOU REDRAW THE BOUNDARIES OF THE STUDY AREA TO ENCOMPASS AT THE VERY LEAST WHOLE BLOCKS AND PREFERABLY WHOLE NEIGHBORHOODS, EVEN IF IT IS NOT PRECISELY ONE HALF MILE OR LESS FROM THE STATION, BECAUSE THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE TO MAINTAIN INTEGRITY AND CHARACTER OKAY? IN ADDITION, WITH RESPECT TO THE SHILOH STATION, OBVIOUSLY THE SINGLE-FAMILY AREAS ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE. AND THE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT AREA IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE. BUT I CAN THINK OF A COUPLE OF USES NOT ADDRESSED IN YOUR STUDY THAT MIGHT BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT, LIKE RESTAURANTS, WHERE THERE'S AN EMPLOYMENT AREA, PEOPLE HAVE TO EAT BREAKFAST AND LUNCH, YOU KNOW. A DINER OR TWO. I ALSO NOTICED ALONG THE SERVICE ROAD OF THE BUSH IN -- IN THE JUPITER AND K AVENUE GENERAL AREA THERE ARE SEVERAL LIMITED SERVICE HOTELS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE ARE ADEQUATE TO SERVE THE MARKET OR NOT, BUT I THINK SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD COMPATIBLY BE LOCATED WITHIN THE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT AREA, IF THERE'S A MARKET FOR MORE OF THAT KIND OF THING. BUT, EXCELLENT STUDY. I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: TH I THINK YOU RAISED SOME GOOD POINTS. I'M CERTAIN IF WE LOOK AT PAGE -- WHAT IS IT, PAGE 67 ON THE DRAFT, THEY ACTUALLY MOVE AWAY FROM THE CIRCLE AND INTO MORE OF A DIAGRAM. I'M CERTAIN THAT'S WHAT WE'LL EVENTUALLY SEE AS THEY REALLY BREAK THIS DOWN. YEAH. BUT THEY STARTED SOMEWHERE AND SAID WHAT ARE WE GENERALLY SPEAKING LOOKING AT FROM A ZONING DISTRICT VERSUS INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES. COMMISSIONER CARY. >> Cary: YEAH, I ECHO, GREAT REPORT, GREAT INFORMATION. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE, WE'RE TALKING A LOT ABOUT PARKING. AND I THINK PARKING IS EVOLVING AS TRANSPORTATION EVOLVES. AND I GUESS I'M WONDERING AS YOU LOOK TO THE FUTURE, HOW OUTDATED ARE SOME OF OUR PARKING RATIOS, AND HOW MUCH DO WE NEED TO CHANGE THOSE? BECAUSE FREQUENTLY, IN A LOT OF CENTERS, RETAIL CENTERS, STRIP CENTERS, OTHER PLACES, THE PARKING IS AN EXPENSIVE PART OF WHAT LANDLORDS AND BUILDERS DO. BUT I'M NOT SURE WE NEED AS MUCH AS WE USED TO. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. MY FIRST ONE IS, HOW MUCH ARE YOU TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, IF AT ALL? >> AT THIS STAGE, WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT HOW MUCH PARKING IS REQUIRED PER SQUARE FOOT OF BUILDING. AND THEN WE POSE THAT QUESTION TO THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP AND SSAYDO WE NEED TO MAKE ADJUSTMES SPECIFIC TO THESE AREAS TO MAKE THEM MORE APPROPRIATE. THAT'S SPECIFIC TO THE CHARGE OF THIS PLAN. WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT. TO THE BROADER QUESTION OF CITYWIDE, WE DO HAVE SCOPE FOR A ZONING ORDINANCE, UPDATED. AND I'M SURE THAT WILL BE REVIEWED ON A CITYWIDE STANDARD AT THAT TIME. >> Cary: AS A RETAILER ACROSS THE COUNTRY, I'M NOT SUGGESTING PLANO IS AMONGST THESE, BUT OFTEN SOME OF THE THINGS WE NEEDED TO DO AROUND PARKING REALLY WERE OUTDATED AS WE WENT INTO SOME SITES. SO A REVIEW OF THAT COULD BE HELPFUL. MY SECOND THING ISN'T REALLY A QUESTION, IT'S KIND OF A POINT. I THINK THIS IS A FABULOUS REPORT, BUT I MUST SAY -- AND MAYBE IT'S ME. MAYBE I'M MORE CHALLENGED THAN MOST. BUT GETTING IT ON FRIDAY NIGHT MAKES IT VERY CHALLENGING FOR ME TO REALLY DO DUE DILIGENCE AND DIGEST THIS IN THE WAY THAT I'D LIKE TO WITH LIFE GOING ON. AND SO MAYBE I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT FEELS THAT WAY, BUT SOME OF THE THINGS YOU GUYS ARE DOING ARE SPECTACULAR. BUT I REALLY FEEL CHALLENGED TO GIVE IT THE DUE DILIGENCE TO BE HERE ON MONDAY NIGHT SOMETIMES. AND SO IT'S NOT REALLY A QUESTION, IT'S A POINT. AND MAYBE WE COULD HAVE SOME DISCUSSION AMONGST THE COMMISSION HERE, BUT I WOULD URGE US TO THINK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS REALLY GOOD. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT MYSELF AND EVERYBODY HAS THE TIME TO GIVE YOU ADEQUATE FEEDBACK, AND WE'RE NOT SHORT SHOOTING THE THING. SO THAT'S THE POINT, NOT A QUESTION. ANYWAY. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER OLLEY. >> Olley: TO PI TO PIGGYBACK OE PARKING, SINCE THIS IS A TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, COULD WE PERHAPS USE PARKING TO ALMOST -- FORCE IS THERONG WORD -- BUT GUIDE THE RESIDENTS OF THIS PARTICULAR ZONING TOWARDS PREFERRED MODES OF TRANSPORTATION? YOU HAVE QUICK ACCESS TO THE SILL ISILVER LINE, PERHAPS LESS PARKING, ALMOST ENCOURGES MOVEMENT AWAY FROM THE F-150S. [ LAUGHING ] >> Chair Downs: 250. >> NOTHING WILL DO THAT. >> Chair Downs: YEAH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WRE GOINGO LOOK PARKING IN GENERAL, AND I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. I MEAN, WE LOOK AT SOME OF THE SHOPPING CENTERS THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND SINCE THE LATE '70s, MID-'80s, WELL BEFORE AMAZON WAS EVEN CONSIDERED, AND THE AMOUNT OF SHOPPERS THAT ACTUALLY SHOW UP AT ANY OF THESE LOCATIONS ANYMORE IS -- SO THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT OF LAND THAT COULD BE MADE AVAILABLE. IN TERMS OF THE -- THIS IS PRETTY COMPLEX. AND I AGREE WITH YOU, YOU'RE ASKING FOR SOME FEEDBACK TONIGHT AND I THINK YOU GOT A LITTLE BIT, BUT MY GUESS IS YOU SHOULD EXPECT A LOT MORE AS WE MOVE FURTHER THROUGH THIS, AS WE BECOME A LITTLE MORE FAMILIAR WITH IT. IT WAS PRETTY DENSE. I ANTICIPATE THAT WE'LL HAVE MUCH LENGTHIER DISCUSSIONS AS WE GET DEEPER INTO THIS -- THESE DESIGN AREAS AND WE ALL BECOME A LITTLE MORE FAMILIAR WITH IT. AND I REALIZE THAT YOU HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME BETWEEN -- YOU'VE GOT TO PUT IT TOGETHER AND THEN IT'S GOT TO GET NOTICED AND GET OUT, SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE CAN NECESSARILY GET SOMETHING -- BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T TAKE WHAT'S HERE AND CONTINUE TO REVIEW IT IN PREPARATION FOR OUR NEXT DISCUSSION AND COME PREPARED WITH YR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. SO, ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANY SPECIFIC PIECE OF FEEDBACK YOU WOULD HAVE PREFERRED TO GET FROM US AROUND THIS PARTICULAR ITEM THAT YOU DIDN'T HEAR, OR A PARTICULAR QUESTION YOU HAD IN MIND THAT YOU THOUGHT, THEY'RE GOING TO JUMP ALL OVER THIS BUT MAYBE WE MISSED IT? BECAUSE, AGAIN, THERE WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE. AND PART OF IT WAS JUST INTERPRETING THE INFORMATION BEING ABLE TO ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND IT. JUST FIGURING OUT THAT GRAPH MEANS WHAT. IT'S NOT THE EXPECTED, IT'S ACTUALLY THE EXISTING ZONING. AND SO IF TRE'S SOMETHING SPECIFIC THAT YOU WOULD REALLY WANT FROM US TONIGHT, ASK NOW. >> I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHIG MISSING, OR NOTHING COMES TO MIND. I WOULD JUST SAY IT'S OUR OBJECTIVE TO TRY TO COMMUNICATE THIS AS EASY AS POSSIBLE. WITH THE ZONING, IT CAN BE HARD TO DO. THIS WAS KIND OF HARD TO UNDERSTAND. WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE THAT FEEDBACK AND REFINE IT, ESPECIALLY FOR PUBLIC OUTREACH TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE PUBLIC TO FOLLOW ALONG, WHAT WE'RE DOING. >> Chair Downs: I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE COMMISSIONERS, CONTINUE TO REVIEW THIS AND IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR YOU SEE SOMETHING OR YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO GET FEEDBACK TO THE STAFF ON, CALL THEM UP. GIVE THEM THE FEEDBACK. AND AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT SENDING AN EMAIL OUT TO ALL OF US WITH YOUR COMMENTS, THAT'S FINE. JUST CALL STAFF AND SAY HEY. BECAUSE THEY CAN EITHER INCORPORATE IT IN THE NEXT DRAFT OR BRINGING IT HAS A TALK -- AS A TALKING POINT FOR CONSIDERATION. >> COMMISSIONER, JUST TO LET THE COMMISSION KNOW THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF CONTRACTIN WITH A CONSULT ABOUT WHO WILL BE LEADING THE PUBLIC OUTREACH EORT FOR TS, SO WE WILL BE HOPEFULLY BRINGING THAT OUTREACH PLAN TOGETHER FOR Y'ALL TO SEE WHAT THE PLAN IS AND IF THERE'S ANY FEEDBACK ON THIS OR OTHER ASPECTS OF HOW TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE PUBLIC, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO TAKE THAT. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF. >> Brounoff: FOR THE SAKE OF OUR FUTURE CONTINUING REVIEW, THIS MATERIAL, AS YOU JUST SUGGESTED, IS ACCESS STILL GOING TO REMAIN ON OUR TABLETS? >> Chair Downs: YOU CAN DOWNLOAD IT. >> Brounoff: AFTER THE MEETING IS OVER TONIGHT? >> Chair Downs: IT SHOULD BE DOWNLOADED, OR YOU CAN PULL IT UP. ALL OF THIS STAYS ONLINE, SO IT WILL BE THERE FOR YOU. COMMISSIONER HORNE. >> Horne: JUST ONE POINT HERE. I'VE LOOKED THROUGH THIS WHOLE DOCUMENT, BUT I NOTICED THAT AT THE SHILOH ROAD TERMINUS THERE'S GOING TO BE A MAINTENANCE FACILITY ON THE BACK OF THAT FOR THOSE TRAINS, ISN'T THERE, RIGHT? HAVE WE ADDRESSED THAT IN THIS REPORT AT ALL, OR JUST EVEN MENTION IT? I MEAN, IT IS WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE STORING SOME FUEL. AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING A LOT OF THEIR MAINTENANCE ON THESE. >> [ OFF MIC ] >> Brounoff: THERE'S A FUEL STATION THERE FOR -- >> Horne: THERE'S A FUEL STATION, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANY OF THAT MENTIONED. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH SPACE THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE, YOU KNOW. >> ENGINEERING HAS BEEN WORKING WITH D.A.R.T. ON THAT. IT WILL BE WITHIN EXISTING D.A.R.T. RIGHT-OF-WAY. BUT WE CAN ADD THAT. IT'S A PART OF THE SHILOH AREA. >> Horne: I JUST THINK THAT FROM TRANSPARENCY TO THE PUBLIC, WE NEED TO MAYBE MENTION THAT, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO TAKE UP SOME SPACE. OKAY. THANKS. >> Chair Downs: I BELIEVE THAT LOCATION ISN'T NEAR ANY RESIDENTIAL. >> Horne: NO, IT'S IN THE INDUSTRIAL. >> Chair Downs: INDUSTRIAL. SO, THERE'S PROBABLY NOT ANYTHING GOING TO BE THERE THAT'S NOT ALREADY IN THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT. >> WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH D.A.R.T. ON THAT AS WELL. THERE IS A RETIREMENT FACILITY THAT IS ADJACENT TO IT. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. >> THEY ARE LOOKING AT THAT. THEY'VE DONE AN ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY FOR SITE IMPACTS. THEY'RE LOOKING AT SCREENING OPPORTUNITIES AND NOISE ISSUES. THEY'RE PLANNING AND WORKING TOWARDS BEING VERY RESPECTFUL OF THE ADJACENT USES ANDOU'LL SEE A SITE PLAN COME FORWARD ON THAT IN THE NEAR FUTURE. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? >> Tong: ONE MORE QUESTION. SORRY. I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION REGARDING THIS REPORT. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS IS YOUR, KIND OF, ANALYSIS AND THE MARKET REPORT COMPARED TO WHAT THE CURRENT ZONINGS ARE. MAYBE I MISSED IT, OR MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE IT IN THIS REPORT. IS THERE ANY COMPARISON BETWEEN WHAT'S ALREADY BUILT AND WHAT'S ALLOWEDY THE PLANT? IF IT'S ALLOWED, FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT NOW MAYBE IT'S ALLOWED FOR A MULTIFAMILY BY ZONING IN THAT AREA. BUT BY COMP PLAN WE HAVE MAXED OUT THE NUMBER OF UNITS ALLOWED ALREADY. SO, IS THERE ANY COMPARISON BETWEEN THAT? LIKE IN THAT AREA THERE MIGHT BE AREAS THAT ZONING ALLOWED, BUT MAXIMUM NUMBER NOT ALLOWED BY THE COMP PLAN M? IS THERE ANY ANALYSI ON THAT? >> Chair Downs: I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE OUR JOB. >> Tong: FOR US TO FIND OUT? >> Chair Downs: WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REZONE THIS. THIS WILL BE A CITY-INITIATED ZONING CHANGE FOR THESE DISTRICTS, AND THAT WILL INVOLVE MAKING DECISIONS AROUND HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL MULTIFAMILY AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT ARE GOING TO BE ALLOWED THAT MAY NOT BE CURRENTLY ALLOWED. >> Tong: OKAY. >> Chair Downs: BUT IT COMES BACK TO LOOKING AT THE COMP PLAN AS A GUIDE FOR THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY. AND JUST LIKE EVERY COMP PLAN BEFORE THIS ONE, IT WAS CONTINUOUSLY UNDER REVISION DURING ITS EXISTENCE. SO THAT'S THE SAME THI THAT'S HAPPENING HERE. SO, REALLY, ACTUALLY, LOOKING AT WHAT'S THERE AND COMPARING IT TO THE CURRENT COMP PLAN -- EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS GOING TO BE AROUND DESIGNING A NEW DISTRICT. AND -- OR LEAN ON SOME OF THE DESIGNS THAT WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED. ALL THE ACRONYMS ARE GONE, BUT, ANYWAY. THE POINT IS THIS WILL BE A ZONING CASE AND IT WILL BE A CLIMATE CHANGE. A --A CHANGE. WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WANT. IT MAY BE MORE MULTIFAMILY, LIKELY WILL,VEN THOUGH THAT MAY FLY IN THE FACE OF SOME OF THE DASHBOARD NUMBERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT IF WE DIDN'T CHANGE IT. >> Tong: OKAY. >> LET ME ADD, I THINK THIS MIGHT HELP. I BROUGHT UP THE NEXT STEPS SLIDE. THE INFORMATION IN THIS REPORT, KIND OF IS THE BEDROCK OF OUR ANALYSIS. IT WILL BE HELPING US WITH THE VISIONING AND OPPORTUNITIES AND DEVELOPING THOSE SCENARIOS. AT THAT POINT, AS WE WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY AND START PUTTING TOGETHER SOME CONCEPT PLANS, WE MIGHT HAVE A BETTER FEELING ABOUT HOW MANY MORE UNITS OF X, Y, AND Z, AND DOES THA MCH THE COMP PLAN. IS THAT SUPPORTED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO THOSE CONVERSATIONS WILL BE COMING UP, YES. >> Tong: OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. THANK YOU. AND IS THAT OUR LAST ITEM? OTHER THAN ITEMS FOR FUTURE AGENDA SORRY. ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANT TO ADD TO A FUTURE AGENDA? OKAY. SEEING NONE, WE ARE ADJOURNED A 8:27. ♪