American Affairs Commission. Uh, filling the vacant Greenwood Cultural Center seat is Michelle Berdick. Come on up. >> Welcome. >> Thank you. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Please just go ahead and introduce yourself to everybody and tell us a little bit about you and why you want to serve. >> Okay. So, Michelle, Tulsa native, born and raised. I have spent most of my professional career at the Greenwood Cultural Center. This June will be my 30th year >> there as a program coordinator um public speaker and our on-site historian. Um and I'm excited about the opportunity to work alongside so many people on the commission now. I think I know every single person have the had the opportunity to work with many of them. Um, and as the Brimma Cultural Center um is in the process of renovations, when we reopen our doors, hopefully January, February 2027, we want to serve as more of a cultural hub. And so I'm hoping to make um better connections so that we can collaborate with some of the individuals and the commission to better utilize the space at the Greenwood Cultural Center. >> Great. Appreciate your willingness to serve. >> Yes. Thank you. >> Do we have any questions or comments? >> Thank you for serving. Okay, great. We will be you'll be on the five o'clock agenda next Wednesday the 13th. You're welcome to be there if you want, but don't foresee any problems. So, >> thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Number three, discussion regarding the retail revitalization loan fund to provide an update on the budget amendment approved in the fall of 2025 related to the fund and a HUD small business loan match program. And we have Miss Davis here. >> Yes. Uh it's me and Rose Washington as well is on the screen behind you. She was out of town but was able to break away and and join us today. So we wanted to bring an issue um back to you all just so that it was clear um at the council table and you had an update um on these funds. And so if you remember back in October and November, we had three different committee discussions regarding two budget amendments. One of those budget amendments was um a budget amendment for this small business loan match program and it was coming out of a commitment made from the 2016 vision economic development funds for retail revitalization. Those funds we were just committing to a certain geographic area um in district one related to the choice neighborhood program and then those had a match um somewhere else. And so the match conditions um have changed. And that is what Rose is going to go over with you and give you a little bit more information and then I'll just tie it up at the end. And this was just to make sure everybody understood where that was now because it is different than what it was in October and November. >> Rose, welcome. >> Well, thank you. Um Zoom is wonderful, right? Well, thank you counselors for um allowing me to again speak to you and Sarah, thanks for teing this up. But as Sarah mentioned, we we wanted to come back to you uh regarding the retail revitalization loan fund commitment that uh we requested several months ago. Uh that was required as a match to um the Tulsa Housing Authorities uh choice um property I choice development that's happening at uh 36 uh street north. And it is really the the reinvention of the old Comanche. And as a part of those uh that those types of developments, those choice neighborhoods developments, there are are a number of community engagement issues. And one that the community identified was the need to create opportunities for small business ownership. And so through that process, THAA agreed to commit uh a million dollars or so to business lending under the condition that the city provided a $1.5 million match. And we were tapping into the retail revitalization loan funds to provide that match. But there um we didn't have sufficient funds to cover the entirety of the match uh for a number of different reasons uh primarily lack of communication. So council agreed to add a million dollars from another source into the retail revitalization loan fund uh because there was also another $500,000 available to the fund or committed to the fund that TEDC had not drawn down. And so fast forward to today as we continue to work with THA to get a firm commitment and a firm contract from them on the the fund that they're going to commit along with um the match that the city will will provide. The THA's number has been changed. So it has gone from a million or so down to 400,000. And so what uh Sarah and I just wanted to talk about was uh uh the messaging to let you know that your million-doll commitment was now only $400,000 and and we in total had $1.5 million available for the match. Now, we've been working with uh uh Councelor Argie on a big project um that still qual qualifies for the retail revitalization loan fund, but at the other end of the BRT, the RA bus rapid transit corridor. And so, uh, Sarah, I don't know how much more I need to to say, but what we do know for sure is that the THA commitment to the the business fund uh is reduced to 400,000 at this moment. It could be uh in the future that that commitment is decreased further as they determine uh what their financing needs are for the other uh buildings that are coming out of the ground. uh as a part of 36 North. And so uh we wanted to be very transparent with council to um uh be very clear in letting you know that the million that we had asked for uh that would be part of the $ 1.5 million match for the they call it a a critical community improvement loan fund for businesses in in that neighborhood. uh has changed a bit and and so we've gone from a uh a required match of a million and a half to a required match of about 400,000 and it it it could change again, but right now we're committed to the the 400,000. >> So Sarah, I hope what I've said makes sense. You can clean it up. >> Yeah, I think that I think that's good. And so really at this point what will occur is um you've already appropriated those funds. So you don't actually need to take any action on this. Um those funds that are above 400,000 that TEEDC will have can still go through the program um that we have set out by the economic incentive policy. So other businesses could apply for those those funds. They're now available. Um and so anybody in the retail market um study corridors, there were 12 or 13 areas and along the BRT would now be eligible um for this project. So we just didn't want people to be thinking we were double promising funds. So yes, >> so thanks Rose for that explainer. Um we were putting in a million to unlock 1.5. Are we keeping that same ratio now that they're only coming to the table with four or do we stay in >> I think maybe we were putting in 1.5 and they were putting in about one, >> right? >> Um and so their theirs is really going to depend on their other project financing. >> So we're just staying with our one. >> We're saying we're going with 400,000. >> Oh, we're lowering ours. There's no match. I thought their match was four. >> Their match hopefully is four. >> It's still a one to one match, but now down to eight total, right? Yes. >> Okay. That's sad. >> Yeah. >> And Sarah, you so we partner with Partner Tulsa. So TEDC underwrites those loans. They go to our board for approval. Then we submit them to Partner Tulsa. They do a review and then they bring it in some form or fashion >> to council. I think >> I think on this one they all have different paths but I think on this one what happens is that it goes to the technical review if it if it makes it through Ros's process then it goes to the technical review committee then the full review committee and I think on this one there is a notice to the council of successful projects if there was a budgetary action to take at that point you would have to take it but in this case I think the budgetary action has likely already been taken. So what happens with the six that's sitting on >> it can it can go out for application. So now other people can can utilize those funds. >> Um and it doesn't mean in the future that this geographic area in district one can't also apply for funds that have come back in as program income and things like that. So and then um Rose and I went over this with councelor Hall Harper when she was here last week since it affects her district too. >> Okay. >> Somewhat spaghetti but we understand it. We may not always articulate it clearly, but we do understand the the moving parts. >> Got it. Great. We just had so many committee discussions about this that we wanted to make sure to loop back. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. Thanks for making time. Thank you, Rose. >> Thank you, Rose. >> Okay. >> See you soon. >> Bye. Okay. Number four, resolution authorizing payment of $30,000 to Mara Stewart, plaintiff and Greg Denny Law PLLC from syncing fund is payment of a judgment and attorney fee. Welcome. >> Good afternoon counselors. Hi, >> Chad Becker from Treasury here as always to give council assurance that there is a sufficient balance cash balance in the scing fund to pay this levy or pay this judgment ahead of the levy placement on the tax roles. Um the judgment has been approved by the court and the mayor and now with council's approval, finance issues payment to reclaim it. Um and then we forward all the paperwork to the county and levy repayments uh the same over a three-year period and Williams with city details about the case. >> This was an auto accident case that an employee of the city was found to fall for. She was driving a city vehicle on city time. Um, luckily damages were pretty uh moderate. About 9,000 in medical bills and then about 8 to 9,000 in uh damage to the plaintiff's vehicle, which by law entitles them to attorney's fees. And so that's why we think this $30,000 amount is a good settlement for the city. It precludes any further attorney's fees that might come up should the case proceed further or go to trial. Um, I'm happy to tell more facts of the case if any of you all have any questions. But >> yeah, I was just going to check if this is a case of typical like, you know, just like human error like accidents happened or if this was a like some other upstream issue. >> I was actually talking in the chat right before it's a really funky uh intersection. Um, >> oh no, it's a four-way. What's that? >> So, we need to fix an intersection. Tell us more. I wouldn't say that, but it's basically a four-way intersection with a diagonal going through. >> And the city employee had a stop sign on that diagonal road, stopped, looked both ways, didn't see anyone coming through, and proceeded through the intersection, but lo and behold, there was an individual driving through. And so, it was sort of right in her blind spot from what I've told. >> Intersection is Unico. Where is it at? >> It's uh really close to Tulsa SPCA. It's I think 36th. um East 36th Street North in Mohawk Boulevard. It's a little southwest of PCA Johnson. >> Uh councelor Gilbert. >> No, I that's what I wanted to know. Just more information on the accident. So, >> thank you. >> Anything else? >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. Item number five, resolution calling for and requesting the Tulsa County Election Board to conduct a nonpartisan special election on October 25th. Why? I have no idea. To place before the electors of the city of Tulsa, the question of approval or disapproval of ordinance number 25782, which grants franchise to Oklahoma Natural Gas Company, >> Miss Davis, >> back again. Sarah Davis and council staff. Um, so we've talked about the OMG franchise the last couple of weeks. As a reminder, there are three separate legislative actions that you will take. This is the second one. So, this is um just the resolution calling the election. All of the substance was over in the franchise ordinance that we went over last week. So, this will look very similar to a lot of other resolutions you have calling elections. Um, this is on the agenda for next week for vote. The franchise ordinance is on next week for a vote. There's public comment opportunity tonight at the five o'clock and then of course we've continue we'll continue to table at the um community conversations if anybody wants to come and ask questions there. Um, so this is just that formal piece of legislation to call the election. >> Councelor Gilbert, >> so you were at the community conversation last night. >> I was. Did you get very many people asking questions? >> Uh, not about I did talk to some people, not about the franchise agreement. Um, mostly I had a utility bill question and someone who knew a lot about the mariachi band scene in in public schools, which was actually very interesting. >> It's very niche. >> Thanks for thanks for being there. Yeah. >> Yeah. Thank you very much. >> Appreciate you. So, but we were there to answer and we'll be there next week. Yeah. As well. >> Well, thank you for doing that. Other questions? >> Okay, seeing none. Thank you. >> Great. >> Number six, ordinance amending title 49 Tulsa revised ordinances administrative permit and license fees by amending chapter 1 and some other areas. And Mr. Skates, welcome to our table. >> Thank you. Thank you. Um, title 49 is our fees. We have several fee changes as well as uh fee additions across development services, public works and planning department. And so within the ordinance, hopefully you guys had a chance to look at it. Um we are looking to increase the application and building permit fees by 3% which is the inflation rate. Um we also have included a a fee for the review and time that it takes us to do lmers and lmer uh lmers and city regulatory flood plane reviews and document uh related to storm water. uh public works has included afterhour and weekend uh inspection fees and then the planning office has included applications uh for posting of more than two signs at a charge for that. So I can answer any questions if you have any. >> Any questions? >> Okay. >> Well, that was easy. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Appreciate you. appreciate you. >> Number seven, discussion of proposed district 5 project that will use council district community development priority project funds and improve our Tulsa 2 for the construction of a sidewalk that will connect South Hudson and South Lakewood Avenue east of 36 in the amount of $575,000. Councelor Gilbert, is this you? >> Yeah. So, um we I have held um a couple public meetings with residents of district 5 uh to kind of give us their ideas of how uh they would like to see this community block money spent. Um the first we there's going to be a couple more coming, but this first one is a sidewalk um along 36. It's going to be connecting Lakewood to Hudson. Um just kind of put it in perspective, it's right there by Bishop Kelly High School. Um, but there's also other schools there. There's, uh, Zaro Elementary and Monastery School. So, um, a lot of the kids walking to school um, are having to walk in the street because there's no sidewalk along that area. U,, once you cross Hudson, there is a sidewalk. So, um, and a lot of those, uh, students living in those, uh, different apartment complexes back there are walking to, uh, bus stops along the way, especially, um, all the way down to, uh, Darlington Park. So, um, Highland Park, excuse me, on um on Yelp. So, um this is just making sure that uh students have a a safe route to school and um just keeping of course all the pedestrians also in that area safe. So, >> great. Any questions? >> Is this the whole This is just I'm just curious. Is this the whole rest of the IOT dollars for district five? No, this is just the first part. >> This is just the first part. No money from the D5 fund has been used yet. >> I I remember that there was like alternate dollars found for different projects. So, I'm glad that these are there for this. >> Yes. >> Um well, that's exciting. >> Y >> will they be able to do the work over the summer? So, back to school, >> it'll be done or no, it's in a queue. >> We're gonna depends how fast this goes. That would be ideal. >> Yeah. Okay, >> you can. Yeah, it's it's all out of the rideway. I think we ought to be able to get in that corner. The apartment complex our sides there is the Maryland. >> It's in the right way and so they have to move it back. >> So straight forward. >> Got to measure a little better. Okay, everybody turn your head. >> Measure better. >> But the city has had that discussion with the complex too about the the sign as well. So >> good. Okay. Yeah. >> Great. >> Thank you. >> Number eight, discussion with representatives of asset management and public works regarding the current repair status and long-term maintenance of cityowned Route 66 assets. So, we have a whole bunch of people coming to the table. >> Anna, are you starting or are you first? Who's up first? I I mean it's I think it's pretty joint. Terry's handing and you will see the extent of it with what Terry is handing out right now. >> Yeah. So um >> America Terry Ball and Mark Hogan here. >> Um so councelor Dutton, myself and councelor Bengal were in the last uh Route 66 commission meeting. Um, and as we are preparing for the centennial event, we just wanted to make sure um to take a look at all the um property owned by the city along the the route and making sure that everything is in pristine shape for as much as possible. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Uh for the uh visitors that are coming in for the events. >> Yeah. The pink column is the most definitive aspect that there was no understanding of what you clearly defined here. >> Well, and just to to follow up, I mean, this is actually and I think I' we've had this conversation in the commission meetings and I've had it individually with a couple of you as well. Um, what these conversations have really highlighted is that and when we got this list, I was sat in the room with Mark Hogan when he first pulled this list up. Um, and I won't repeat what he was saying because as he looked through and many of the items on this list he did not know existed. None of us knew even existed. Some of these are pretty, you know, they're plaques or things like that. But it really is highlighted something that I think every person at this table has really emphasized for some time that we can be pretty awesome at building things and we're not always as awesome about um having a plan in place and funding in place to take care of those things. So with the Route 66 assets in particular, a lot of those have gotten built and literally nobody, one of our three departments typically takes care of almost all facilities around the city. Um and and obvious many times we do the together. I mean we work together on specific projects such as the Gil Trail which is both a a public works um asset and a parks asset. Um, but we didn't even know that some of these, we learned about them first a couple years later when somebody calls, you know, Mark and says, hey, something's broken. Come fix it. And we didn't even know it existed. So, this is we had hoped to come here with this full plan in place and then we got the list of all the assets and realized, oh, we're still driving around figuring out what some of the assets are. But what broadly, and these guys can vote that in because they they've got a lot of responsibilities here, too. what we are working together on is to come through here kind of really identify everything make sure it's assigned to somebody and then come back to you working on what we what we presume will be the maintenance costs on those on ongoing vice and come back to you with that and then in particular um councelor Bengal and the other counselors who are part of the Route 66 commission um we really want to propose that we we pause on building new things and that we until we really have a plan in place because we want these And I know Mark Mark kind of left, but we will we're we will all be working together to make sure that the the city looks good for for all those visitors who will be here over the next month. Um but we want to make sure it lasts beyond that, too, and that these are all things that that you guys are proud of, that they're in your district, and that they look great. So, um hopefully within the next um month or so, we'll come back with some numbers on what we think a maintenance plan and then um there is the ongoing funding that comes through vision Tulsa um or at least you for some more time. We've got funds there Route 66, but we'll be working with the commission as well on on how we can make sure that funds are dedicated to taking care of things. So, happy to these guys I'm sure um may have some things to add and you guys have questions. We're all happier to answer them. >> Yeah. Just real quick, the spreadsheet you do have, this is keeping in mind it's a draft. Uh all of our departments that are shown on here are going through this. We're still working up prices of what we think it is, whether there's an annual. Some items don't necessarily have an annual cost. It's just if you have a person uh we tend to have people veer off the streets and hit things. Um and so when that happens, it's going to be more of a onetime expense to repair. And a lot of times when they hit it, uh, we're finding more more times than not they're not insured. So it tends to be 100% on the city to replace it. Um, so that's one of the things and that gets back to being self-insured really. It's just at that point in time, we'd have to find money, but there's not an annual money necessarily needed on some of these items. So as Anna was saying, you know, we're still vetting through this. We we've got a bit of a history of uh finding grants, finding capital funding, and then later on um not having annual funding to to maintain things. So, I think that just falls back to our facilities to these items, just trying to make sure moving forward, we've got an identified maintenance fund before we build things. And I think that's more and more critical for the city to do so that we don't build things and let them go into waste. So again, finding, you know, what source is it or a, you know, somewhere down the road to Route 66 somehow through uh what funding source that would be, especially this being a a very big tourism route. You know, maybe that's a future dedicated funding source to maintain all these items because as you'll see, this is a a huge amount of items that have been built over the years uh just for Route 66 attractions and and visitors. So that's just something we'll have to come up with the cost and then down the road we'll have to figure out >> what that source of funding is. You know, may not necessarily be general fund. It may be future sales taxes based upon, you know, tourism kind of locations and maintaining them because you've got artwork and other things in the right way that exists that really doesn't have a means of maintaining either over the years that we've >> put in there. So, >> and and another thing about it as you went through the list, these are are very um almost all of them are unique. They're not things that we normally do that we're regularly doing. I uh I'm I'm looking forward to figuring out what maintenance cost will be on the Crybaby statue, for example, or Cyrus Avery Plaza or or all different I mean, these are just things that we don't have something in place that tells us, oh yeah, this is exactly what maintenance looks like on these. the dinosaur at Howard Park. There's going to be a lot of things that will have um interesting um um I'm sure maintenance uh needs in the future that we're not even, you know, that we don't even know until it happens. And I only chuckled because we have folks checking the east and west every day. The neon signs every day and keeping up with the vandalism >> on those four main pieces is extensive. And then if y'all would uh say a lot of prayer between now and when the pray is that we don't get a severe thunderstorm, lightning, and hail because >> let's break the neon >> because the neon signs cost about five grand a piece each time the >> thunder blows the transformers and then if the tubes get hit, it's more pricey than But that's not the biggest thing. The biggest thing is is there's only one person in town that can make the tubes for the neon. And the plastic on the east and west ends is really nice looking signs. These are all beautiful pieces, but they're the lead time on making them look beautiful again after damage is difficult >> because we have the neon sign park just west of the river. Okay, several questions starting with councelor de. Okay, so I'm looking over it's awful small print for old eyes over here. So I'm trying to calculate some numbers here. Um are you trying to look by district for investment? >> I'm looking for specifically what's in mind. >> Yeah, that's what I was Yeah. Yeah. >> So, it just sounds like if you want this sorted by >> Is this a spreadsheet? We could be sent and then we can sort by district. >> Okay. >> Um because I'm looking at McIntyre Airport, Cyrus Avery on Admiral, uh Admiral Place. There's the motel on 11th Street, Route 66 Interpretive Plaza, Tulsa Auto Court, 8833 East Admiral Place, uh the Route 66 Rising Sculpture. There's a whole list of east side attractions, and I say that loosely, that are still ignored and not um not addressed. The Route 66 rising is still not lit up. >> They're still working on that. >> I' I've seen I drive by it every night just to see what the progress is. The big light above it that's super blinding does not do the Route 66 rising justice. Um, and if you're coming from the east side, you see Tulsa, but 66 is meant for your western, I mean for your east vision. So, you're not seeing the 66 if you're going east for the Route 66 rising. You see it backwards. The interpretive plaza, the plaques are all worn out, very difficult to read. Um, I'm just and I'm not sure what this auto court you guys are talking about here on 88. Um, >> again, this is still a work in progress. So, >> I I get it. It's been a work in progress since 2005. I guess that's my point. And I bring this up in the commission meetings all the time. It seems that other areas of the stretch of Route 66 have benefited greatly. uh the dinosaur something new coming in. I'm not opposed to that, but I'm just saying there's money that could have been spent on the projects that were designated from 2005 for the east side. And so here we are getting on May 30th. And I'm uh I'm going to say it. We want to call ourselves the capital of Route 66 except east of Yale. And that's a good eight mile stretch. And so I appro appreciate all the efforts thus far, but I feel we've been shortch changed on the east side since 2005. >> The fixtures on the lights out east >> were damaged, not replaceable, beyond repair. We ordered new fixtures. They were supposed to be here two weeks ago. They were supposed to be here yesterday. They're now looks like a week and a half to two weeks out still. You're just like anything else in the industry today. Times is unbelievable. And we're >> I can only fit something in a hole. >> I can appreciate that, but it's been known for the last four years Route 66 rising has not been lit up. And I can also >> answer to that. >> I can I can also say >> I know that's literally been a challenge of the commission to get that resolved. >> I get that. I do. We actually did have an artist who responded to an RFP to fix that and then didn't respond after that. So we kind of went restarted that process again and that is that not correct. >> So it's been a challenge to get that Route 66 sign that Route 66. I really do. >> It's been really concerted effort and finally we had to say we had to >> give an ultimatum to that >> artist to say you have this date to respond. We really tried to get that fixed last year. >> I I understand and I understand with all the tariffs and everything that's happened just in the last year, but we're still looking at four years and I appreciate the efforts that have gone into it thus far, but I'm still grossly frustrated. of being the chair on the Route 66, not having a pity of it. >> And and then there's the banners on the polls on 11th Street, the Route 66 banners, and we're still missing quite a few. And we're missing some poles. >> I thought the banners were replaced. I've seen them. >> No, there there was a different batch of banners on 11th done years ago. Those >> those had issues that they were breaking off and there was never any replacement. So, as those have broken off and fallen, we've just because they ended up being a hazard to cars and people >> and they were not a good design. And >> how are they a hazard to cars and people if they're in the median? >> Because if they break free on a windy day, they blow into the driving lane, >> especially on a day like today. >> So, they as they we basically had to there was a a flaw in their design and we took most of those down because they were breaking. I I've recovered a couple from in the medians that had fallen due to the wind, but I've never seen any in traffic, but I'm I'm still >> The banners have been down for over 10 years. >> They were one. Again, this highlights >> a one and done. >> They were a oneanddone fund. It's no different. I mean, this gets back to our trees and our beautifification funding is, you know, in the past, we've gone in and funded tree plantings and then there was no money behind so the trees all died. 11th Street is a great example of that. Mhm. >> Um with the beautifification funding now we've gone back and re >> vegetated all those corridors now and now we actually through the PSO beautifification funds we have dedicated funding now to actually maintain them. And we've got long-term contracts with up with trees >> and and so this this sort of highlights the issue of >> one-time funding versus long-term maintenance. And I think that's this is a perfect example of why you've got to be careful of authorizing a one-time expenditure if you're not going to have money in the background to maintain stuff. I think that >> and I think you're also right counselor but and you're also emphasizing why this is why the three of us are working together6 rising. >> I didn't even I mean my my electrician said I understand I'm supposed to go do something here. They said it's parks and I said well that's not a park. We didn't even know, you know, so we we literally somebody someplace thought parks would take care of that, but it was never assigned to us. We didn't have funding. We didn't know. It wasn't on this list. So, I think that's what we're really trying to say is how do and we're working on that. I don't say how do we do it. I'm telling you, we are going to do that and come back and say this is what it takes. There are things you mentioned like I think three things that I have no idea what they are and they're on this list. The list, by the way, just for for sake of so everybody understands why we are surprised by some of the the list is was um um p pulled together by folks in um the planning group who went through you know kind of historically everything that has been added and as I said many of those things have never been none of the three of us were ever sort of told hey here's a thing and you're going to be responsible for that so make sure it's in your budget this year. So, >> right, >> one of our planners that retired >> that was part of the Route 66 >> everything >> would would call me whenever some broke and ask if me and Terry could figure out how to fix it, >> but that was usually major things, lights. >> Yeah. Well, we still don't have lights on 11th Street. I do want to emphasize that as well. And I'm looking I just added the numbers for the cost on the in the margins here and for these just the few projects that I mentioned comes to a total of 741,000 763,000 roughly including I if I'm reading the numbers on the side correctly for the expenditure >> the project costs. >> Yeah. >> I I will note the dinosaur that's all private funds. This doesn't distinguish here. So that was >> I appreciate that information. I also appreciate what you've done for Mccclure Park as well as far as like >> the lights in the parking lot by the way. I just signed up on that today. >> I go by there frequently as well. So that is much appreciated and I think that's also going to help and benefit on people traversing uh Route 66. But I just wanted to vocalize the frustrations because I I remember when 2025 first came out in 2005. That's when I had purchased my property on 11th Street and I had high hopes that having being being an anchor at that time for uh various tourists coming from Europe was imperative. And so to be here 2026 in the centennial and still seeing the lack of progress is just really frustrating. >> One thing and this shows how much we trust you guys that this list is going to give you is you're going to know who to call. It's going to have everything on here and you know you know you know how to reach us and we're not going to be able to say yeah that's Marks that's not mine. So >> I appreciate it. Thank you. >> Thank you councelor Bellis. >> Yeah. Well, first off, I know that this takes a lot of coordination to figure out. It looks like you had to really go dig in the archives to figure out where everything is. And then second, um the first rule of Fight Club is don't talk about the Crybaby Hill sculpture. I just can't. Um okay, but um that >> Yeah, like just never again. Um, but no, I um I guess I was curious or just as like a food for thought thing related to as you're thinking about funding for maintenance for some of this, I am curious which of these falls into different like main street program areas like the Kendall Whittier, you know, and that those main streets have been able to leverage like those state match dollars that for what was it like the um Kendall Whittier or Main Street was able to get some state dollars to update like the clock and some other things recently and that's something that they could apply for again Not to put that on necessarily the main street to have sole responsibility of, but I'm just thinking of ways that the city could partner to try to access some other dollars with these main street areas to try to Great idea. >> Yeah, I was just trying to think of because you know it is it's a lot to have to do maintenance for um >> and there will be for example at the um uh train depot in the village um and the uh Route 66 Main Street is housed on that same complex. And so those organizations do will do maintenance on on most of those amenities there. So just because something we're trying to be comprehensive because in the end >> those people could go away and we are responsible for it still. But in every instance where there is a partnership or an opportunity to work with someone we will be doing that. So when we come back to you with that plan >> we'll incorporate that as well. But that's a great suggestion and if people have other suggestions where you think there are partners here we'd love to we'd love to hear. Uh cuz that's what I was just trying to think through because for your point like some of them are already doing that maintenance or again there maybe are grant opportunities through those programs. I think that could be really helpful. And then of course obviously like some of these if it's you know something that's being maintained like a marker on you know the BMA companies building. Let's hope maybe they'll come in and help with that one. I don't know. I'm just thinking of you know those different corporate or nearby corporate partners. Sorry, I just started instantly thinking through all of the how are we going to maintain all of these things now that we're looking at the full list and that's challenging. Um, and then I was just going to check on I had a question about I think two well one is just so you all know I don't know if this person ended up following up I gave him contact info but someone found in an estate sale a Cyrus Avery bridge historical marker >> that you can actually go physically see where it should be on the bridge. Like once you once you see the size of the thing when you go, you're like, "Oh, it's supposed to be there." But who knows how long it hasn't been on the bridge. >> I'll I'll follow up and track it back down if that person never followed up with. >> I don't think so. >> Okay, I'll make a note. But yeah, someone someone found a whole little historic marker for Yeah. Isn't that cool? Um Okay, I will make a little note. Um, and then the other thing I was curious about is I remembered um Neon Quarter neighborhood formerly known as Forest Orchard or maybe it was the Meadow Gold area doing something with the Route 66 planters like Kimberly Norman. I just wasn't sure if like >> was it the Route 66 planters? >> Yeah. >> Originally the responsibility of the Route 66 commission to maintain. >> Okay. Now, there are some license agreements in place because no, but a lot of places saw that as a hardship. They didn't really want to deal with them once they were out there, right? >> So, there are some groups that have done license agreements, okay? >> Where they brought them up closer to the building, especially around Metagold. You'll notice some of them have pushed them and those are covered with individual license agreements with individual businesses. >> Okay. >> Uh there was one started with Kendall Whittier, but I don't think they ever executed it. So, they started to do a license agreement for theirs, but we don't have an executed copy. So, I don't we're still researching to see if it ever got formally executed, but that that would have covered those RC6 planners. They were a onetime expenditure. And again, if somebody like a car ran into them or something like that, we would just go as my department, we would just go pick them up and and haul them off because they're they're not replaceable. They were custom made, one time made. So, >> yeah. >> And there's enough others that people don't want, we would they really like theirs, we would probably find one that doesn't want one and move it over there. But other than that, it's it's really day-to-day responsibility falls under the Route 66 commission as funding allows. I think how the agreement says, which to Anna's point, then if they are no longer there, it falls back to the city of Tulsa. Everything falls back to city of Tulsa ultimately because >> that's just sort of the way the world works for us. >> We think this will be I think it' be a good tool for the Route 66 commission as well. And that's a good point on we'll divide it by council district and it might take a little time and get that back to you but then that can help you sort of see where where assets are and where you want to invest. One other thing I would encourage and it's about this and and but everything and I know you guys have all heard me say this before um when discussion comes up on building something cool and new involve who you think will be taking care of it in those early discussions because one of the problems is like on Neon Neon's really hard and we can't do that in house. So if if and it seems super cool to do this thing and it's awesome and then then suddenly Mark's got to get a contract and and take care of it. And if some of those conversations were happening earlier, you guys have heard me talk about this before, but you know, sometimes we put a thing here and it just it made mowing just enough harder that it can't be done with a commercial mower and now somebody has to get off and nobody talked to the people who mow it. Now somebody has to get off and weed eat it or hand mow it and that becomes that drives up our cost and absolutely unintentional on the original part. So the you know things where you can't change the light bulbs without a lift >> become much more expensive. >> Are these for instance I'm just thinking through the future of city art installations per what you just described. Is that is that being incorporated into part of that kind of review decision process since those are like now we know those unintended consequences so possibly >> that's a really I don't know that it is but I will make sure that that is raised with our um arts um our public arts. I would just wonder since you end up with like, you know, asset management doing it, you know, you know, somebody else doing it later, it might make sense to be like, okay, we're considering this installation, someone's gonna have to come in and do and just making sure that maybe >> you three get to review as well to sign off that you're like the maintenance is actually feasible >> or you're very clear on what would have to be done for maintenance that you don't end up at that situation where you inherit a situation again. >> Anything in parks that's are is it safe? I'm always like, is this going to you know, can a kid hurt themselves on it? Is it can we can we does it impact our maintenance? Does it impact other uses there? Is it sometimes these things happen where it blocks wheelchair access or something unintentionally? So, you know, you got to make sure you're protecting the the other uses as well. And then, but then they can figure out if it's good art or not. That's not my job. >> And I I mean, we I've been working with Susan Miller's group because they've got that neighborhood money, you know, and they've been meeting with all the neighborhoods of what what assets they want to build in their neighborhoods. And we've really been trying to emphasize low to no maintenance items. they install not high maintenance items because some of the items originally that were in their wish list um just had to say can't city can't afford that because it gets into high maintenance. So we've been working with them to you know as we move into some of those wish list of of those improvements in each of those neighborhoods with their money we're trying to get where it's more of a um where it's doable for the city longterm maintenance wise. So, we have been working with with her group on that because that is something that will end up in one of our one of our group's hands, more than likely mine on this on that one. Uh, mostly just trying to make it where it's not a another liability to the general fund or whatever fund has to pay to maintain that >> a magnet for cars to hit. >> Yes, that's why we should never have another fountain anywhere near >> I know. I know. Fountains are the baby. >> Oh, is a a traffic circle fountain doing great? Sorry. Too soon. I know that's another fight. >> We'll put a plant on that at some point. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> We could put a crying baby on top of it. >> Again, the first council, right? >> Thank you. Um I appreciate councelor Dutton you elevating your >> frustrations. I know the previous counselor probably counselors Patrick also have those frustrations. Um, District 7 doesn't touch the route, but we certainly will benefit from all the visitors being in town, whether it's locals that are trying to get off the route and they'll come to 71st Street or people in town that will do more than just hotels. Yeah. That'll just stay. So, um, I'm not I've not been actively involved as a counselor in the commission and things, but having worked in Kindle Whittier and seeing, you know, the activation there, I definitely am excited about what we're doing. Thank you to you all for doing this matrix. It's a little astounding that one didn't exist, but there's always time to do something better. I would um one I'm going to zoom out for a second. We're going to be doing an IoT4 package or some sort of vision thing. Can we put in the process a fiscal impact statement and maybe in the RFPs also have like anticipated maintenance costs or feasibility for replacement like >> for materials? I mean, we can't predict the future, but we could maybe have a scoring rubric that's like if you use more sustainable materials or, you know, do something so it's lower to the ground or whatever. Would they get higher points, something? Because I think we get excited about the concept and then we just go, let's figure out how to do it. And I think we do need to value engineer some of this stuff. um to the point that we can um on the Route 66 thing is specifically a lot of investments been made over 20 plus years uh private private investment public investment partnerships and I think what I just heard is the Route 66 commission is kind of charged with the task of doing this obviously with huge backing from the city. Is there a way to quantify the general fund revenues that come off of Route 66 investment and then chip off a piece to go into an ongoing maintenance fund? Has anyone ever looked at that? >> Or could we? >> Meaning the the economic impact. >> Yeah. So like I mean so we say I'm just going to it's a million dollars coming in because of the attractions. Could we chip off you know 1% for maintenance? I'm just using a million. I'm sure it's multiple times that. But that way we don't run into like, well, Hogan has to pull it off the maintenance for these, right? And you don't have to pull off regular park maintenance. You don't have to pull it off routine and preventative maintenance. There's actually a dedicated fund because we said we want to be the home of Route 66. I don't imagine that after May 30th, we're like, "Woo, we're done." And we're not doing anything else. Hopefully, we're looking at Yale and heading east, right, for the next 25 years or whatever it is. But if we know we're going to continue to add these things and it's going to continue to draw extra people to our community, then we have to take the responsibility of investing the same way we would do on public art or anything else, you know? And I'm preaching to the choir like we look across the street the TAC and we're like, we should have put a maintenance fund, right? But I'm just wondering from a policy standpoint for us to not continue to do what we've done, which is dream big, build the thing, and some future group's going to figure out how to keep it going. Um, even like animal services we talked about, like if we could kind of contain it >> to the root to the facility to have this re revolving, you know, we've talked about be okay brings in the dollars, we can use it to kind of spread over a convention center. just work a little smarter so that folks like you don't have to one go I didn't know it was our group I didn't ask for money in the budget or we're already outside of our maintenance fund so I got to pull it off here and hope we'll get dollars later on a FEMA reimbursement or whatever I mean it's just we all know there's more need than resources but I think we do have a responsibility when we ask the voters to support a thing that we've also thought through how do we sustain it because I don't want to build things today that my kids 50 years from now are like, "Well, we got to tear it down because they didn't come up with dollars to keep it going." Um, so I would say as we head towards whatever the next package is, we as leaders go, "Hey, let's look at how we're doing it and either put it in the front end when we're dreaming big, but also on the RFP side so that people can indicate to us like, I've thought about changing the angle here so that a, you know, a mower can get through and it won't have to be handtrimmed." Um, and then for the Route 66 commission, just help me understand, do you all or now that you have something like this, would you go to them and say, "We need maintenance, we need to collectively ask for maintenance dollars in a budget like is that what you're now that you have kind of an inventory or are you still anticipating that it would be by department?" >> Uh, I guess it could be either way. I'm assuming it would be by department, but I mean my hope is that we're able to come back with a plan and um that the commission and the council can support and look at that and that may be allocated by the three departments, but it's it's it's tied to specific assets and specific, you know, oh, these are the things that need to get mowed and that's an easy cost for us to come up with. We might generically have a, you know, it might make sense to have a sort of designated replacement account that you can tap into for for things like a sign or a plaque or whatever >> since that's a thing that you could go years without having to do or you could do five of them in one month, you know, and and so each department can't really predict other than just coming up with generic numbers. But >> well, and I'm thinking of our new signs that we're trying to get the two anchors in, but there's more to come after. Those will have to be maintained. >> No. >> No, they're not. No, they're maintenancefree. >> You're going to be out there. That's your retirement job. There's counselor Lincoln >> scrubbing the graffiti off. >> Are you talking about the vision? Welcome to Tulsa. >> Like we came up with all this money doesn't even include those four. >> No, I know, but I'm just saying >> but those are going to Yeah, those are envisioned to have landscaping. They're going to have power and they have >> neon lights in them. So, like how are they is there some guy out there hand trimming around the sign and >> volunteers? >> Yeah. >> So, it's just I mean we we dreamt it up and we were all excited. >> I'm going to have 81st to 91st >> Lincoln's out there scrubbing >> the day when graffiti off of it. >> He's the personal beautifification officer for South Tulsa. Um >> well, >> that's your retirement job. I've already >> Anything with electric, >> somebody will try to steal it. Whether or not they can, they damage it. So >> maybe we make is like No, I'm just kidding. >> Oh, I've said no one ever no one was listen. >> Anyway, you all are super smart and know in detail what these things run. We are able to dream big and get people to support what we do, but then we also need to do our due diligence. And I'm not placing blame anywhere. The last thing I would say is, is it possible to get something like this, not anytime soon, but maybe in the next year of all the art and all the statue, all the fountains? because I imagine there's probably more that's like, "Oh, that's parks. No, that's that's >> um you know, asset management. Oh, no, that's not ours. That's not theirs." We have it in my district, these weird medians that are in the middle of neighborhoods that have like a dead tree on it. And literally the neighbors are like, "Well, it's a city." And the city's like, "No, that's you all. >> That's your HOA that doesn't hasn't existed for 40 years." So then that tree just is still dead on the middle and it's you know so I imagine we got these weird boulevard things you know and burning tree and just little things like that. >> So some maybe interns or something because if we can get it codified then no matter who's leaving or who's coming in at least it lives somewhere and >> well most of the stuff that's like mowing and all that we've already got a GIS layer that shows all those responsibilities. you know, like the case you're talking about where an HOA dissolved >> and you know that was actually platted in there flat. >> You know, unfortunately the city of Tulsa is going to be on the hook for those, >> right? But I imagine cumulatively they're all across the city. >> Yeah. But I mean other than that, >> we we have this we have this unassigned list. We used to call it the orphan list that we worked on over the years that you know like when trails came about. And >> so we've we've had this in the background for quite a while. It's just Route 66 happened. Just a lot of funds got put into one area very, you know, over a period of time to build this one corridor up >> unlike any corridor that I know of in Tulsa got built up. And it's just unfortunately >> the people who got the funds weren't the people that had to maintain it, >> right? >> So that's sort of where, you know, the departments that went and asked for the funding and got the construction funding weren't the same ones who ultimately get handed it. And that's where this list, you know, >> Sure. One just where I did think we're doing it right, Anna, is with the development out at 71st Street doing that public private and already anticipating what it's going to take to maintain 60 acres of park, public park. >> Um, and making sure that the private developer in the RFP knew that that was going to be a shared. I think that's super smart because it'll be a great amenity, but hopefully the way it's structured, we won't be going like, well, the playground equipment is 20 years old now and who's going to help we'll change it over. We'll have the little dedicated fund. So, I hope um in the whatever the next package is, we can contemplate a m a dedicated maintenance fund for stuff we already own. >> And then if we're dreaming of any new things, which I everyone's all excited about a soccer stadium, but >> given what we're doing with the BL Center and Arvest, like we need to learn from the challenges that we have that it has to be baked in from the front. And I think one thing that hurts us too is we tend to have partners who eventually disappear on us. Like we did that with Brookside Business Association. We did all those flower beds for them and then >> they did it for like a year or two and then they quit maintaining them and then started calling 311 saying the city needs to come fix them. >> Oh yeah. >> Even though they were built for them. Um, you know, and we've had, you know, issues, you know, even you go down to >> I know >> the dam, you know, the zinc dam. Originally, it was intended that Tulsa County would pay for half the maintenance and then they backed out on the Tulsa, you know, two years ago. We got left with the entire bill for that. I think it's some things like that that you know over time we need to >> if we're going to build it too is figure how we >> well and when people give us things when we get gifts from other cities or whatever let's make sure we think through >> the Trojan horse aspect I I will I'll just and I know everybody who knows me knows I've been talking about maintenance for many years as as both of these guys have as well >> but I I'll give the commission a lot of credit because I think you elevated in a way that really helped everybody stop just we we we focused on it sort of in this individual response. You know, this is a problem. Let's figure out how to deal with this one problem. And so that kind of pushed it up to where let's be more strategic. And not that Terry and Mark and, you know, parks that these departments haven't worked together. I don't think we we've >> been as intentional and strategic about like really developing a plan that goes, you know, citywide. And so hopefully that'll be a model for >> for how we do other things. to your point these other these other assets or public art as it gets because the public art again it'll be put someplace and somebody's responsible for it when it gets if it gets damaged or whatever. So really kind of thinking through that and and being more strategic and planning and and including it in the packages. I mean absolutely. So appreciate you guys making us do this with extra work >> but it's worth it. You need to do 66 East like a focused. >> Okay, Council Lincoln, you're up. >> Yeah, you and I are on the same page on the I I wrote down capital project maintenance fund, which is not a good acronym, >> but I was trying to think of something catchy that or a bid or something like that. Um for not just Route 66. And I would say let's get started with this budget year. Let's not wait on a >> Well, I was I was thinking about those vision dollars, right? that you know maybe we should look and see if a little bit >> can or just let's just start one and every single budget year we have to invest something in that so that we can at least grow an endowment fund to take care of the things that we own. That's right. >> And if we have really important retail or historical corridors you the problem with bids is that it assesses on the business owners, right? >> It'd be great if we could just say well in this corridor the tax rate goes from 8.517 to 8.61. 617 so that one can be used in that corridor alone >> kind of overlay. I mean, I kind of was thinking about what overlay in my head >> tax district. We'll just create something. >> That's what I said about the market district. They need to create a business improvement district >> tax at a different rate for >> Yeah. with the bid. I think it's just an assessment on the business owners. So, they're just having to pay more of their property taxes. I know, but that's on them. I think on the sales tax side is where we could >> I know usually the idea is that they're getting something back for it which I guess this could be generating more tourism in public funding. >> I I think we ought to start something with our own investments and then think of something creatively for >> even Brookside. You know, if we if if Brookside really wants to have nice sidewalks, nice flower beds, nice streetscaping, landscaping, landscaping, all that other stuff, then >> let's do something that causes that to happen every single year through a dedicated investment. >> Okay. So my my questions really are probably right on the edge of the agenda language, but what are we doing between May 25th and May the 30th to make sure the route is >> mowed, is free of graffiti, is free and clear of trash and everything else because there's a lot of people coming out. >> It feels like thing one and two need to come through and >> do a clean sweep. Only a Broadway that's ours will that will be taken care of. the street sweeping. We're already because of the ARPA money that we got additional. We do weekly street sweeping on the Route 66 graffiti. We'll make a run on that. I will tell you we last week sent a email to the railroad over there by Crystal City asking the railroad you know and uh and then mayor's office has reached out also to the railroad through their contacts trying to get them to >> um because we can't really go mow their right away because we're we're trespassing and it's close enough to the rail that >> it gets back we'd have to pay for flagman to be there with us even so it would get very expensive. So, we're asking them to maintain their property there. But other than that, code enforcement. >> Yeah, code enforcement actually was out um on Admiral this past weekend. >> So, >> I I would just say all all eyes on Route 66 for the next three weeks trying to get that whole thing just >> for this is this is clean up your house because the guests are coming over and >> we want them to think that we always love this. >> Yeah. If you have to shove stuff in the oven, in the dishwasher. >> Yeah, totally. Oh, am I the only one who does that? Um, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Howard Park, Tracy Park, and the >> And we would do this for the long term. We would do this long term as well. You want me to pull it back to the agenda? >> Well, those three assets, those three Route 66 code enforcement did a big issue in the fall. But it takes time to post and actually do those things. So I actually think they were doing it at the right time >> to have to do those summary abatements or anything else that can occur >> at those three locations because we we know that there's some gatherings and particularly around the parade at Tracy Park. So we're putting out extra trash cans. Um I've told them to plan on doing ex you know go beforehand especially the weekend when we have the uh parade um the the car parade before and after that to you know I mean people can come in the middle of the night and do graffiti and stuff but is is close to that get everything clean put out the extra trash cans come immediately afterward to pick up all the extra trash. Um so yeah we're >> Okay. >> Are you done council? >> Are you going to get those out? Are you giving those to them? >> What do you got there? >> I know it. >> No, I'm just playing. I'm just messing around with them. I'm probably >> doodle room. >> Oh, I thought there was going to be some presentation. >> We're We'll come next time with the donation cup. >> If everything that you say is done, then you may have one of these after May the >> commemorative. >> Council, do you have That's it. >> Thank you. >> Okay, councelor Archie. Uh, I think everything I' I think everything I had written down to say was has has been said. Um, you know, I appreciate um Mike Miller and the entire team putting whatever pressure we can on the rail lines. Um, there has been mowing around our monument on Southwest Boulevard, but yeah, so that's that's one thing. The other question was about the triangle signs maintenance uh for the like the welcome and Tulsa signs but I think the point I was going to make I think councelor director Wright made is on the front end when you do the RFPs just embedding that maintenance pri as a priority in the beginning and you know it'll give sort of a wider scope of you want to do this well there's a whatever you gain you have to maintain and so it just paints a more comprehensive picture which >> yeah so um thank you for this good >> thank you councelor Gilbert >> um thank you um I pretty much everything that I was going to say the same but I would like to get the a group together to start planning that um RFP process as we move forward with our next capital improvement package and making sure that when we do these projects as um Anna said earlier um that we do have that fund um to make sure that we're able to maintain that new structure. So um but I also want to thank you guys for putting this together. Um this is the first time that I have seen something like this being done and um I just appreciate all your uh hard work on this. So thank you. I would like to if it's all right with the chair of Route 66 commission to bring this to the commission so that they can uh look at it as well. So um if you could come to the next >> Absolutely. >> the next meeting >> which I think is next Tuesday week. >> Yeah. >> When Tuesday >> Tuesday >> is the agenda already done or >> I don't think so. Um Beth does that. So we'll get with her. >> And we think this is comprehensive, but if if as you look through this, if somebody says, "Oh, yeah. Here's yet something else that isn't on this list that's for that way maybe went through a different path or something, make sure to let us know." >> Well, you you said it so well that we're so good at building things, but we we don't have that fund to maintain, and that's where we are right now with be okay, unfortunately, and trying to take care of our best convention center. So, um, along with other, >> right, >> uh, assets that we have. So, um, thank you very much for your hard work on this. Appreciate it. >> Okay, got 15 minutes. We're going to keep on going down the list. Councelor Bingle, >> am I the last one? >> No. Do you want to be last? >> Let me be last. >> Council bots, >> this is just when you all go to update the spreadsheet, can you actually send us the like Excel like you did like file? >> Mhm. >> Okay. There's something about between this or hold on. There's something. Okay, this is I have a conspiracy theory going between like this and the capital improvement list and things like that. No one ever wants us to have a spreadsheet file. I I get every I love being able to read it and print it out. >> It's all the hidden columns. >> No, I don't know if it's the hidden columns or I understand that things move around. So, it's not But my thing is whenever I want to go like F and search and query, it's like we're never >> Well, sort things sometimes. >> Exactly. But we never I can forward this one to Sarah. This is a live link and so I don't really want to do that. >> Totally fair. But if there's just like a frozen I've got a save version I did right before I came up here. I'll email it >> cuz I get it. Like I get it. I share files and I don't give people edit access. I understand >> how to put watermark. >> Yeah. >> In the spreadsheet. So that's why it's all hand. >> No, that's to totally fair. But between this and the capital improvement list, there's just so many times that we get handed this and I'm like, God, I would kill for the spreadsheet file. And it's elusive. >> That doesn't sound even remotely nerdy. >> Yeah, I know. Yeah, I hear it. But yeah, >> those numbers down at the bottom of asset management were just myself and one of my staff this morning looking at this going, "Hey, did you know we had all this stuff and it's worth this much? And what do you think it would cost us to maintain it based on >> what we've seen >> so far?" And I did look at all these monuments and they've been out there a while and not so good. And and I don't believe that the project cost that was spent at the time they were put in is the replacement cost in today's dollars. >> Of course not. >> And every one of those is custom. And it's not something you're going to just drop out of the park tomorrow >> except for the milliondoll undercarriage at the Cyrus Avery Centennial. Correct. >> The what? The >> the million dollar undercarriage. >> The undercarriage. >> Yes. >> The carriage. >> All the undercarriages cost a million dollar. >> That one was the most expensive one. That was back a while ago that we had that discussion. >> Okay. Councelor Lincoln. Expensive. You're >> okay. So, two quick questions that I failed to ask. Are the big signs up? Are they going up? When are they going up? >> They are going up. We're we keep pushing Claude Neon to be done by that date. So right now we anticipate them being there, but to Mark's point, we're we're not building. >> Those are the ones that we were talking about where it's just >> it's the two big entries. We've got a contract. Claude Neon's group is uh actively building them and trying to get them done in time. So we >> Okay. What can we do to help? Do you want to call Claude Neon? Other than that, Matt Licky calls him every every day to talk to him. >> Is James still there? >> I don't know. >> Okay. Not sure who's there. >> Where's your magic counselor? >> If you want to if you want to reach out to him. >> Yeah. If anybody's watching, call Claude Neon and tell them >> tell them you love them. >> How important those signs are. >> We have been reemphasizing with them every time. He Matt talks to them of this is the importance for that weekend because especially the one in West Tulsa where they'll be wanting to take pictures with it, you know, at the at the Route 66 village there that >> Yeah. And then the last question relates to just the old historical bridge. I know that we probably have sufficient fencing and everything else up, but all that graffiti around that area that Paul McCartney went and visited whenever he was in town that made me nauseous that he was sitting amongst all that graffiti. Um, >> he probably liked it. >> It's I Well, I don't know if he did or not, but >> it's the next album cover. >> Exactly. with with the ARPA funding, we went removed all the vegetation, the vegetation that had grown up around those entry points. We don't go out on the bridge itself if somebody >> Oh, no. It's It's on down. Yeah. You show So, you go down the sides and it's all up on the sides and then around the corner, you know, if you if you go under the new bridge, the multimotal bridge, then it's all down there, all on the peers. If somebody can just go do a put some >> going down on the peers, but >> Oh, well, I'm I'm not asking every single element, but if somebody will go just look, I think that will be the unkempt look of it, which was the vegetation growing up through the fencing uh adjacent to the road. And we addressed that with upwood trees came in and cleared that out. As part of the offer funding, we planted trees along Route 66. Uh that was some of that funding. Um and that's all been completed. We did that uh did that removal of all those things that were growing up about a month ago. So that part's been all addressed, but we'll take a look at it and see. >> Oh, this on your first question. Susan Miller from planning is inviting anybody who'd like to go with them to call a meeting on tomorrow to see the construction happen. So planning. >> What time? >> I don't know. Find out tomorrow. That way they were going to reemphasize tomorrow. They know this is their chance to shine. I mean, we are you you've heard how many times we're leading we're relying on Claude Neon. So, they want to look good because they, you know, make the city look good. So, >> friendly support probably more than stick I think will will >> we had a group of I think it was 80 or 90 people who came out um a few weeks ago along the Cyrus Plaza volunteers and got rid of so much um graffiti and cleaned up and did all kinds of things. They did they worked I mean they worked hard. >> Thank you. >> Okay. >> Bring us on my turn. >> You have nine minutes. >> I have nine minutes. >> Well, you have two minutes. >> You can grandstand for exactly eight minutes. >> For eight minutes. All right. I want to grandstand. >> So, obviously this list has been in the works for a while collecting this. So, I appreciate planning and >> no, they just did it. >> You guys working on all this. So, um I've always said this is a challenge because the first IoT package, you come in here and you're not building anything. You're fixing neglect from previous generations of failure >> to plan ahead. Um the PAC is a little harder, right? Um because those types of buildings change. I I know um as facilities grow older, they're going to take more and more dollars to maintain. This one has frustrated me uh to know when just as much as you, counselor, but this is another one of those lists where you're coming in here, they built everything in one portion of the city and saying, "Well, now we need the money to maintain it after we built it." >> So that means you don't get money for doing anything in your portion of the city. So, >> and the money that was allocated got reallocated. >> As I've told you, this is a marathon, >> right? >> And so, I understand that because we're now in this position. We've allocated money, specifically the ARPA funds that previously were going to go to something else, >> we've now rededicated to a actual good purpose. Um, the state signs like you talked about the Trojan horse gifting sometimes. Now, we're going to have four state Route 66 signs that are now going to have to be maintained >> that were gifts from the state >> and those are being placed in specific areas. >> Um, gifts. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, if you're not aware of that, the state gifted us for Route 66 sign. So, that's going to have to go on this. >> The state should have to take care of that maintenance. >> You've got a bill see highway lighting for that answer. So I I I'm challenged just as much as you are by this cuz I have zero >> and I have from 193rd. I literally am the entrance off 193rd. You have the original admiral corridor, but it comes in off 193rd. I have literally nothing. >> I know. I drove through there last. I think the challenge for me is is I understand that we've built this stuff, but I know that we have to fix this stuff before we can move and build anything else. And so, as so we look at vision because I talked about this during the council retreat about more funding, vision funding that was allocated for this kind of stuff. So, this is more neglect that we're having to fund and figure out how to do it. So purposefully in the discussion when we build something else the rubric I totally agree with you guys um if these are in destination districts there should be some partnership about grant funding and maintaining some of this stuff not we're going to build stuff and then be allowed to abandon it and then put it back on the taxpayers. So, I really want us to fix the things that need to be fixed and I don't want us to build anything else until we have a solid plan on fixing what is on this list permanently and having a maintenance fund for it. >> I'll stop with this list. >> Huh? >> Don't stop with this list. >> Right. >> So, anyway, that's all I had to say. >> I hope you guys know how hard it was for the three of us not to be the whole time because this is something that we've all been just really out of account for. assessment was part of this as well. >> They started out with a initial assessment about the specific businesses as they've come to us on a regular basis to tell us where they are in that. So, yeah, there's been funding for all this, but that'll be neat to see those signs in place. >> I know. >> I'm excited to see what gets it done. >> Okay. >> Okay. With that, we are adjourned. >> Thank you guys. Five minutes. Thank you.