>>ALAN CLENDENIN: GOOD AFTERNOON. WELCOME BACK FROM LUNCH, TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. ROLL CALL, PLEASE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE. >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE. >> YOUNG? VIERA? >>BILL CARLSON: HERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE. >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WELCOME BACK. WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT NOISE. ITEM NUMBER 7. STAFF PLEASE. >>ERIC COTTON: GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL. ERIC COTTON, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION. AS YOU RECALL THE DISCUSSION A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO ON THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS, COUNCIL COMMISSIONED A NOISE STUDY, AND WE'RE HERE TODAY TO PRESENT THE RESULTS. WE ISSUED A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS IN AUGUST OF 2024. AND IN 2025, THE RFP WAS AWARDED TO HARRIS MILLER, MILLER AND HANSON. HMMH CONDUCTED NOISE STUDIES BETWEEN APRIL AND MAY AND JUNE. MAY 7, HYBRID KICKOFF MEETING, AND THEN WE DID ANOTHER VIRTUAL MEETING. TWO VIRTUAL MEETINGS. ONE WITH PROPERTY OWNERS AND ONE WITH BUSINESS OWNERS. I MYSELF, I ATTENDED A COUPLE OF VIRTUAL MEETINGS WITH SOME PEOPLE FROM DOWNTOWN AND SOME FROM SOHO. TODAY, I WANT TO INTRODUCE ROBERT FINK FROM HMMH HERE TO PRESENT THE CONSULTANT STUDY. IF IT COULD BE BROUGHT UP ON THE SCREEN. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO BOB FINK. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. AM I CLICKING THROUGH THIS? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THERE SHOULD BE A HANDHELD CLICKER SOMEWHERE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, AND THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. AS ERIC MENTIONED, MY NAME IS BOB FINK FROM HMMH. I AM THE PROJECT MANAGER OF THE CITY OF TAMPA CONSULTANT CONTRACT. AS YOU CAN SEE, I'LL PRESENT THE SUMMARY OF THE DOCUMENT. YOU PROBABLY HAD CHANCE TO READ THROUGH MORE OF THE DETAILS. TO PROVIDE RECOMMENDATION FOR UPDATES IN CONSIDERATION OF THE CITY'S CURRENT NOISE REGULATIONS. THE BACKGROUND IS, AS YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS GAINED SIGNIFICANT POPULATION GROWTH OVER THE LAST 10 AT THAT 15 YEARS. WITH THE INCREASE IN COMBINED RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THROUGHOUT THE CITY, IT'S INCREASED NOISE CONFLICTS ARE INEVITABLE. THE OBJECTIVE OF THE NOISE STUDIES WERE TO IDENTIFY THE SOURCES OF NOISE THROUGHOUT THE CITY. IDENTIFICATION PROCESS THROUGH PUBLIC SURVEYS, STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS AND LAND USE REVIEW DATA COLLECTION. WE IMPLEMENTED A NOISE MONITORING PROGRAM WHICH IS A MEASUREMENT OF NOISE LEVELS AT SENSITIVE AREAS, PERFORMED NOISE MODELING TO DEVELOP NOISE CONTOURS AND RECOMMENDED UPDATES TO THE NOISE REGULATIONS. NOISE SOURCES IDENTIFIED WERE COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENTS AND ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS WITH LIVE MUSIC AND CROWD NOISE, SUPPORTING EVENTS, CONCERTS, VEHICULAR NOISE. FOOD TRUCKS, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, WITH THE GENERATOR NOISE WAS SOMETHING MENTIONED AT THE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY, OF COURSE. SO THE NOISE MONITORING PROGRAM TO START WITH WAS WE CONDUCTED MEASUREMENTS IN APRIL, MAY, AND JUNE OF 2025. USING MODERN SOUND LEVEL METERS TO MEASURE THE AMBIENT AND ACTIVE NOISE LEVELS. THE REASON FOR THE AMBIENT AND ACTIVE IS TO FIND OUT THE BACKGROUND NOISE AS OPPOSED TO EVENT RELATED NOISE. THESE WERE PREDETERMINED LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT EACH FOCUS AREA AND MULTIPLE METERS WERE USED FOR THE SIMULTANEOUS MEASUREMENTS. THE GRAPHIC THAT YOU SEE THERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE CHANNELSIDE MEASUREMENT AREAS WITH THE RED TRIANGLES BEING AREAS OF MEASUREMENT AND ALL THIS, LIKE I SAID, IS DETAILED IN THAT DOCUMENT. NOISE MEASUREMENT FOCUS AREAS THAT WE IDENTIFIED WERE THUNDER ALLEY, SPARKMAN WHARF, SOHO, RAYMOND JAMES STADIUM, AND YBOR CITY. NOISE METRICS CAPTURED INCLUDED THE LEQ, L MAX, L 10 AND L 90 WHICH ARE DIFFERENT WAYS OF LOOKING AT SOUND LEVELS IN ORDER TO ASSESS WHAT WE'RE FINDING. TABULATED MEASURE RESULTS, THIS TABLE IS INCLUDED IN HERE, NOT FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN TO KIND OF SHOW YOU WHAT WAS COLLECTED. THIS IS THE YBOR CITY EXAMPLE, AND DIFFERENT AREAS ALONG 7th AVENUE AND ALONG 6th AVENUE AND ALONG 5th AVENUE. JUST AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WOULD BE FOUND IN THAT DOCUMENT AND A LOT OF THE DIFFERENT SOUND LEVELS LIEU L MAX, LEQ, L 10 AND L 90 WHICH TELL US ABOUT THE DIFFERENT NOISES AT THE TIME. NOISE MODELING AND NOISE CONTOURS, NOISE MODELING WAS DONE TO DEVELOP THE NOISE CONTOURS AND THAT USED THE SOUND PLAN NOISE PREDICTION MODEL, WHICH PROVIDES ESTIMATES OF SOUND LEVELS AND ACCOUNTS FOR THE ELEVATIONS OF TERRAIN FEATURES AND INTERVENING OBJECTS. THE IMPORTANT PART FOR THIS STUDY AS WELL, COLOR CONTOUR MAP SHOWING AREAS OF EQUAL OR SIMILAR NOISE LEVELS. CALCULATED LEQ AND LMAX AND TO DEVELOP THE NOISE CONTOURS. GRAPHIC VISUALIZATION OF THE ENVIRONMENT. WE USE THE RESULTS AS SOURCE DATA TO CREATE THE CONTOUR MAPS AND FIELD OBSERVATIONS HELPED WITH THE DISTINCTIVE NOISE SOURCES. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF MANY CONTOUR MAPS THAT WAS CREATED IN YBOR CITY. AND THIS IS FOR THE LMAX. WHAT THIS SHOWS YOU IS THE DIFFERENT COLORS SHOW THE DIFFERENT LEVELS THAT WERE MEASURED, BUT IT ALSO SHOWS WHERE IT TRAVELS THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOODS. DIFFERENT COLORS SHOW THE DIFFERENT LEVELS, AND WITH THE HATCHING AREA BEING KIND OF THE RESIDENTIAL. THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA THAT IT MIGHT BE VERY LOUD AT THE SOURCE BUT NOT NECESSARILY AS LOUD AT THE RECEIVING PROPERTY. THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHAT WAS SHOWN. SOUND PLAN CAN INCLUDE THE PROPAGATION PATH AND ALSO THE BUILDINGS. ANOTHER EXAMPLE WAS THE LEQ. THAT WAS MEASURED IN THE SOHO AREA. AND THIS SHOWS SORT OF THE SAME THING WITH THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS BEING IN THE HATCHING, AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE NOISE SOURCES ARE WITH THE RED COLORS BEING THE HIGHEST. AND THEN IT TRAVELS THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUT NOT CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD DUE TO BUILDINGS BLOCKING IT AND THE LIKE. SO THE EXISTING NOISE ORDINANCE IN CHAPTER 14 HAS A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT AREAS THAT I'LL TOUCH ON WITH THE DESIGNATED ENTERTAINMENT AREAS BEING YBOR CITY AND THE ARENA DISTRICT. THOSE CONSIDER EXCESSIVE NOISE MEASURED FROM THE PROPERTY LINE OF THE NOISE SOURCE. AND YOU HAVE A DAYTIME AND A NIGHTTIME NOISE LEVEL THRESHOLD, WHICH ARE 85 DECIBELS AND 65 DECIBELS RESPECTIVELY, BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 6 P.M. AND 3 A.M. FOR NIGHT TIME AND 3 A.M. AND 6 P.M. FOR THE DAYTIME. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DBA AND DBC IS THAT THE DBA NOISE LEVEL IS WHAT MOST CLOSELY APPROXIMATE WHAT THE HUMAN EAR CAN HEAR. DBC MEASURES MORE OF A BASIC SOUND LEVEL, WHICH CAN BE IMPORTANT WHEN CREATING A NOISE ORDINANCE BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IT TRAVELS THROUGH BUILDINGS AND WINDOWS A LITTLE BIT MORE. SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT THRESHOLDS IN THIS REGULATION. AND MORE IN THE EXISTING NOISE ORDINANCE, ALL OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY CONSIDER WHAT IS CALLED UNREASONABLY LOUD AND RAUCOUS OR PLAINLY AUDIBLE NATURE OF THE SOUND AT ANY TIME OF THE DAY. BETWEEN 10 AND 7 P.M. OR 10 P.M. AND 7 A.M., PLAINLY AUDIBLE, MINIMUM OF HUNDRED FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE OF THE NOISE SOURCE. THIS IS IN THE NONENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT AREAS. ALSO, IN THIS ORDINANCE IS EXCESSIVE NOISE FROM A VEHICLE, PLAINLY AUDIBLE AT 50 FEET. ALSO IT TOUCHES ON PLACEMENT OF STATIONARY LOUD SPEAKERS. CONTINUING ON WITH THE EXISTING NOISE ORDINANCE, DIFFERENT CHAPTER, CHAPTER 27 IS THE LIMITATION STANDARDS FOR NOISE FROM INDUSTRIAL, MANUFACTURING, AND PROCESSING OPERATION. EXCUSE ME. AND THIS ALSO PROVIDES A NOISE THRESHOLD, BUT IT CONSIDERS THE EXCESSIVE NOISE THRESHOLDS FROM THE PROPERTY RECEIVING THE NOISE AND THAT'S AT RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, AND INDUSTRIAL LAND USES. ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE DID IN THIS NOISE ASSESSMENT IS WE COMPARED NOISE ORDINANCES THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES AND THROUGHOUT FLORIDA. AND WHAT WE FOUND IS MOST ORDINANCES IN U.S. CITIES HAVE MAXIMUM NOISE LEVELS NEAR 55 DECIBELS DAYTIME AND 55 DECIBELS NIGHTTIME FOR RESIDENTIAL LAND USE, WHICH IS CONSIDERED THE TYPICAL STANDARD. ALL THREE FLORIDA CITIES COMPARED, WHICH WAS TAMPA, ORLANDO, AND ST. PETERSBURG, HAVE HIGHER LIMITS THAN THE TYPICAL ALLOWABLE DAYTIME STANDARDS THROUGHOUT THE U.S. ALL THREE FLORIDA CITIES ALSO AND CINCINNATI USE A MIXTURE OF PLAINLY AUDIBLE AND NUMERIC INSTRUMENTED METRICS FOR VIOLATIONS. MEASUREMENTS NEAR THE SOURCE GENERATING THE NOISE IS NOT A COMMON VARIABLE WITHIN NOISE ORDINANCES THROUGHOUT THE U.S., WHICH IS IMPORTANT TO THIS STUDY BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THE CURRENT NOISE ORDINANCE FOR THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT DOES USE THE FROM THE NOISE SOURCE GENERATING. THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT MOST ORDINANCES ARE DEVELOPED FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROTECTING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY FROM NOISE LEVELS. WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID, WE DEVELOPED RECOMMENDATIONS AND SUGGESTIONS FOR THE CITY CONSIDER. REVISIONS ARE MEANT TO ADDRESS COMMUNITY CONCERNS ABOUT NOISE. IMPROVING ENFORCEABILITY IN SOME AREAS AND ALIGN TAMPA'S ORDINANCE FOR CONSISTENCY WITH COMPARABLE U.S. CITIES. SUGGESTED REVISIONS ARE BASED ON OUR NOISE MEASUREMENT DATA, MODEL CONTOURS AND A COMPARISON OF SIMILAR CITIES THROUGHOUT THE U.S. SO GOING TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND SUGGESTIONS, THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION IS EXTEND THE LIMITATION STANDARDS AT THE RECEIVING LAND USES FOR INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING AND PROCESSING OPERATIONS TO ALL SOURCES OF NOISE CITYWIDE. THIS IS THE CHAPTER 17 CURRENT ORDINANCE. THESE NOISE LEVEL THRESHOLDS WOULD THEN BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT EPC REGULATIONS. CURRENTLY THAT CHAPTER 17 SHOWS NOISE THAT IS NOT -- WHAT IS THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR? NOT CREATED FROM A RESIDENTIAL SOURCE. IT HAS LIMITATION STANDARDS FOR NOISE FROM INDUSTRIAL, MANUFACTURING, AND PROCESSING OPERATIONS. AND SO WE RECOMMEND TO EXTEND THAT TO ALL SOURCES OF NOISE CITYWIDE. THE SECOND RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO ADD NUMERIC NOISE LEVEL THRESHOLDS RECEIVED AT THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE FOR NOISE IN THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE CURRENT ORDINANCE MEASURES NOISE LEVEL FROM THE SOURCE, AND NOT FROM THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE. THIS WOULD ENSURE CONSISTENCY WITH THE NOISE CONTROL EFFORTS IF WE HAD BOTH OF THOSE IN THE ORDINANCE FROM THE SOURCE AND AT THE RECEIVING PROPERTY. THE REASONS FOR THAT, AS I SHOWED EARLIER WITH THE NOISE CONTOURS, NOT ALL PROPERTIES ARE RECEIVING THE SAME LEVEL OF NOISE DUE TO INTERVENING BUILDINGS AND OTHER TERRAIN FEATURES. THE THIRD RECOMMENDATION IS TO MANDATE A 65-DECIBEL NOISE THRESHOLD RECEIVED AT THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE FOR NOISE WITHIN DESIGNATED ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS BETWEEN THE 6 P.M. AND 3 A.M. TIME PERIOD. THIS WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE RANGE OF REDUCTION THAT WE SAW IN THE NOISE CONTOURS. RECOMMENDATION 4 WOULD BE TO REDUCE THE MAXIMUM NOISE LEVEL THRESHOLD FROM DESIGNATED ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 1 A.M. AND 3 A.M. INSTEAD OF HAVING THE OVERALL 6 P.M. TO 3 A.M., WHICH STILL MAINTAINS THE 65-DECIBEL NOISE LEVEL THRESHOLD RECEIVED AT THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE AS MENTIONED IN RECOMMENDATION 3. SO PART OF THIS ASSESSMENT ACTUALLY WENT ON TO DISCUSS SOME OF THE NOISE MITIGATION STRATEGIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE. THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT TYPES. THE SOURCE CONTROL, PATH CONTROL, AND RECEPTOR CONTROL WHICH ESSENTIALLY IS MITIGATION STRATEGIES FROM THE SOURCE OR FROM THE PATH FROM THE SOURCE TO THE RECEPTORS ARE ACTUALLY AT THE RECEPTORS, AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE IS TO HAVE A SOUND SYSTEM TUNING AND LIMITATION STRUCTURAL MATERIALS, VENUES AND SPEAKER SYSTEM DESIGN AT THE SOURCE, PATH CONTROL WOULD BE NOISE BARRIERS, WHICH I THINK EVERYBODY IS FAMILIAR WITH AND CERTAINLY ACOUSTIC FENCES. AT THE RECEPTOR, BUILDING INSULATION CAN BE VERY HELPFUL. ALSO ZONING AND LAND USE CONTROL TO ESTABLISH BUFFERS BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES. SOME OF THE MORE TECHNOLOGICAL TOOLS THAT HAVE DEVELOPED IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS THAT MIGHT BE WORTHWHILE THINKING ABOUT IS THE NOISE MITIGATION STRATEGIES. I ADDED THIS ONE FOR AN ARTICLE THAT WAS USE OF THE NOISE CAMERAS, WHICH ARE AUTOMATED NOISE MONITORING SYSTEMS. ALSO DIRECTIONAL MICROPHONES, SOUND CAMERAS ARE SOMETHING THAT IS MOVING FAST TECHNOLOGICALLY. SO ESSENTIALLY THAT IS CAPTURING NOISE LEVELS WITHOUT HAVING STAFF ON-SITE. AND THEN CERTAINLY PUBLIC MOBILE APPS AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROGRAMS ARE OTHER OPTIONS FOR NOISE MITIGATION. SO FOR A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT, THIS IS A QUICK SUMMARY OF THE HISTORICAL TAMPA NOISE ORDINANCE FROM 2003 INTO 2016 CONFIRMED THE PLAINLY AUDIBLE. 2023 WAS THE REVISION OF THE EPC ORDINANCE. AND THEN SEVERAL DIFFERENT ORDINANCES BETWEEN 2016 AND 2022 WAS A FULL REWRITE AND THEN ONE THAT WAS REPEALED AND THEN IN MAY OF '22 REMOVED THE CHANNEL DISTRICT. SO LOTS OF BACK AND FORTH, WHICH IS NOT UNCOMMON FOR CITIES OF THIS SIZE WITH ALL THE VARIABLE NOISE SOURCES. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO ADD HERE THROUGH CORRESPONDENCE WITH CITY STAFF WAS THE ENFORCEMENT CHALLENGES THAT HAVE BEEN EXPERIENCED IN TAMPA IN THE PAST, AND LED TO SOME OF THE ORDINANCE REVISIONS. AS YOU CAN SEE, AND PROBABLY KNOW ALREADY, THE TPD OFFICERS HAVE HIGHER PRIORITY CALLS INVOLVING CRIMINAL ACTIVITY TO SPEND TIME ON NOISE ISSUES. MODERN NOISE MEASUREMENT DEVICES MAY PRESENT OPERATIONAL MEASUREMENT CHALLENGES FOR TPD OFFICERS THAT AREN'T TRAINED. NOISE MEASUREMENTS, MEASURED AT THE RECEIVING PROPERTY LINES HAVE HISTORICALLY PROVEN CHALLENGING FOR ADMISSIBLE EVIDENCE IN COURT. AND THEN ALSO IDENTIFYING A SPECIFIC SOURCE OF OFFENSIVE NOISE THROUGH MEASUREMENTS CAN BE DIFFICULT IN URBAN SETTINGS IN ORDER TO IDENTIFY THE OFFENDING NOISE SOURCE. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, THAT'S IT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHY 65 AND NOT 55? DECIBELS. YOU SAID ADVICE WAS 65, BUT THEN YOU SAID MOST CITIES USE 55. >> THAT'S DAYTIME VERSUS NIGHTTIME. 65 WOULD BE MORE READILY EFFECTIVE IN THE DAYTIME BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH OTHER AMBIENT NOISE. AT NIGHT, A LOWER NOISE LEVEL WOULD BE OF BENEFIT BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE AS MUCH TRAFFIC NOISE AND ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT MAKE THE OVERALL SOUND LEVEL HIGHER. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'LL GO AFTER YOU. >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, FINISH. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GENERALLY, IN THESE AREAS THAT WE SPECIFICALLY DISCUSSED, THE ARENA, CHANNELSIDE, YBOR CITY, SOUTH HOWARD, IS THE AMBIENT LEVEL NOISE MEASURED AROUND THERE ALWAYS OVER THESE THRESHOLDS? >> NO. IT DEPENDS ON THE LEVEL THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. WE TALKED ABOUT THE LMAX WOULD BE THE HIGHEST LEVEL MEASURED AND CERTAINLY THAT COULD BE A LOUD CAR GO BY, YOUR MAXIMUM. ONE OF THE MORE USEFUL MEASUREMENT ITEMS IS LEQ. THAT IS THE EQUIVALENT NOISE LEVEL OVER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME. YOU MAY MEASURE FOR 10 OR 15 MINUTES OR EVEN 30 MINUTES STRAIGHT AND YOU'LL HAVE A SERIES OF LMAX LEVELS THAT ARE HIGHER AND THEN LOWER, BUT THAT GIVES YOU THE LEQ. WHAT WE TRIED TO DO WHEN WE MEASURED AT THOSE AREAS, ALTHOUGH THEY WERE DIFFERENT WITH RAYMOND JAMES AND CHANNELSIDE DURING THE LIGHTNING GAME WAS WE TRIED TO DO AN AMBIENT BEFORE THE EVENT AND THEN ALSO DURING THE EVENT. MOST OF WHAT WE FOUND IN THOSE AREAS THAT WERE NONEVENT RELATED NOISE WAS NOT EXCEEDING THE CURRENT REGULATIONS. SOME OF THE EVENT NOISE WAS AT CERTAIN TIMES, BUT IT ALL DEPENDED ON WHERE THE MEASUREMENT SITE WAS. AND THAT'S WHY WE DID IT WITH THE NOISE CONTOURS, SO YOU CAN SEE KIND OF HOW IT WAS SEPARATING OUT THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS. I HOPE THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. MAYBE I RAMBLED ON. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: KIND OF. I'LL COME BACK. I'LL LET IT SPIN IN MY HEAD A FEW MINUTES. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS STUDY AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS. THAT'S ALWAYS THE BEST PART, ESPECIALLY WHEN STUFF THAT WE DON'T LIKE FULLY UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY. BUT DO UNDERSTAND ENOUGH THAT WE GET CONSTANT COMPLAINTS ABOUT NOISE, AND THAT'S WHY WE ASK FOR THIS STUDY. I REALLY APPRECIATE RECOMMENDATIONS THREE AND FOUR. BUT I WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS REALLY INTERESTING IDEA OF NOISE CAMERAS. SO IF WE WERE TO USE NOISE CAMERAS, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANYONE -- OH, YES, MR. SCHMIDT IS HERE FROM TPD. IF WE WERE TO PUT NOISE CAMERAS IN, HOW MANY WOULD WE NEED IN AN ENTERTAINMENT AREA TO, SAY, LET'S JUST FOCUS ON YBOR. HOW MANY CAMERAS WOULD WE NEED IN AN AREA LIKE YBOR TO ENSURE THAT FOLKS IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS ARE NOT -- RATHER THAT THE DECIBEL LEVELS ARE SET TO WHATEVER WE END UP CHANGING THEM TO? >> SURE. I CAN'T GIVE YOU A DIRECT ANSWER AS TO HOW MANY BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF THAT TECHNOLOGY THAT'S EVER CHANGING. THERE ARE SPECIFIC TYPES OF TECHNOLOGY THAT CAN DO JUST VEHICLE NOISE AT INTERSECTIONS, ESPECIALLY LOUD INTERSECTIONS OR TRAVEL ROUTES OR EVEN A NOISE CAMERA THAT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT TAKES LIKE AN LEQ LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE THAT CAN GIVE YOU A GRAPH OF HOW HIGH THE NOISE IS VERSUS HOW LOW IT IS. SO THE SHORT ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF OPTIONS. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TALK TO OUR TPD FOLKS ABOUT. I THINK MY OTHER QUESTION IS RIGHT NOW -- AND THIS MIGHT NOT BE A QUESTION FOR YOU, BUT FOR STAFF -- RIGHT NOW, HOW MANY ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS, LIKE, ACTUAL SPECIFIED ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS DO WE HAVE? >>ERIC COTTON: ERIC COTTON, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION. TECHNICALLY, BY DEFINITION, WE DON'T HAVE ANY. >>LYNN HURTAK: OH, OKAY. >>ERIC COTTON: IN CHAPTER 14, YBOR CITY AND THE ARENA DISTRICT ARE PULLED OUT TO HAVE DIFFERENT MEASUREMENT TERMS. THIS IS HOW THEY WERE DESCRIBING THEM IN THEIR STUDY. TECHNICALLY WE DON'T HAVE ANY, QUOTE, ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS. >>LYNN HURTAK: WE COULD SIMPLY DO THE NOISE CITYWIDE. >>ERIC COTTON: THAT'S THE PURVIEW OF CITY COUNCIL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR FINE REPORT. FROM WHAT I READ, I BELIEVE YOU ALSO SAID NOISE IS MEASURED AT THE POINT OF AND THEN WHERE IT IS RECEIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE ONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD EVIDENTLY IS NOT TOO WELL ACCEPTED BY THE COURTS. >> THAT'S CORRECT. THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE REGULATION. THE NOISE IN CHAPTER 27 THAT IS CREATED FROM INDUSTRIAL TYPE IS MEASURED AT THE PROPERTY LINE. ALL OTHER NOISE THAT IS IN CHAPTER 14, WHICH INCLUDES THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE IS MEASURED FROM THE NOISE SOURCE, CURRENTLY. AND TO CONFIRM WHAT YOU SAID, IS, YES, WHAT WE HEARD FROM CITY STAFF IS THAT MEASUREMENTS FROM THE PROPERTY LINE ARE MUCH MORE DIFFICULT IN COURT AS ADMISSIBLE EVIDENCE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT MEANS WE HAVE A HARD ROAD AHEAD OF US. >> HISTORICALLY THAT IS. I CAN'T COMMENT MUCH ON CURRENT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ANY RECOMMENDATIONS ON THAT? >> I THINK THAT THE TECHNOLOGIES ARE ADVANCING IN NOISE MEASUREMENTS NOW, AS WE TALKED ABOUT WITH SOME CAMERAS. I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME PLACES THROUGHOUT THE U.S. THAT ARE MORE SUCCESSFUL WITH IT. WHETHER OR NOT THAT COULD INCLUDE VIOLATIONS AND BEING ADMISSIBLE IN COURT, I CAN'T REALLY COMMENT ON. I KNOW A LOT OF THAT TECHNOLOGY IS CHANGING. MAYBE THAT WILL HELP IN FUTURE EFFORTS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG. >>NAYA YOUNG: COUNCILMAN CARLSON WAS BEFORE. >>BILL CARLSON: YOU JUST WANT TO GO LAST. >>NAYA YOUNG: NO. >>BILL CARLSON: I WAS GOING TO BRING UP THE SAME THING THAT CAME UP A MINUTE AGO THAT THERE ARE NO ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS. I WOULD APPRECIATE -- I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE TO VOTE ON IT -- I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU STRIP THAT LANGUAGE OUT. IT IS THE DOWNTOWN -- I WOULD PREFER TO USE DOWNTOWN NEIGHBORHOODS YBOR NEIGHBORHOODS. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, YBOR CITY NEVER STOOD UP AND SAID WE WANT TO BE AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT. IT WAS A PHILOSOPHY AT THE TIME TO ALLOW KIND OF UNLIMITED ALCOHOL LICENSES. AND NOW IT'S TURNING BACK INTO A COMMUNITY. DOWNTOWN CERTAINLY NEVER AGREED TO HAVE AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, BUT THERE'S ALL KINDS OF STUFF IMPLIED IN THERE THAT PLEASES WOULD HAVE UNLIMITED SOUND. THAT'S NOT WHAT ANYBODY WHO LIVES THERE AGREED TO. THE SOUND GOES TO HARBOUR ISLAND AND CHANNEL DISTRICT. SAME THING WITH HOWARD AVENUE. HOWARD AVENUE BECAUSE I WAS LIVING THERE, NEVER SAID THEY WANTED TO BE AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT. CITY COUNCIL ADMINISTRATION IN THE PAST ALLOWED LOTS OF LIQUOR LICENSES ALONG THERE. WE NEED TO GET CONTROL OF IT. A FEW YEARS AGO, I PROPOSED AND WE AGREED TO ASK THE ADMINISTRATION TO LOOK INTO CREATING A REAL ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT IN DREW PARK. DREW PARK SAID NO. WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO HAVE POCKETS OF ENTERTAINMENT, AND ONE BY ONE WITH ALCOHOL LICENSE, WE'VE BEEN LIMITING SO WE DON'T ALLOW OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND, BUT SOME OF IT IT LEAKING OUT. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE CONTROL THAT. WE HAVE PEOPLE LIVING THROUGHOUT THE CITY. WE NEED ENTERTAINMENT. WE WANT TO HAVE PLACES WHERE PEOPLE CAN HAVE FUN, BUT IT CAN'T KEEP YOU AWAKE ALL NIGHT OR IF THEY WORK ALL NIGHT, CAN'T KEEP THEM ALL DAY EITHER. THE OTHER POINT, VEHICLES, WE WERE GETTING A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE SUPER CHARGED VEHICLES THAT MAKE SOUNDS. I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS IN THE ENGINE OR IF THEY HAVE SOME KIND OF SPEAKER THAT MAKES THE SOUNDS. BUT WHEN PEOPLE ARE RACING ON BAYSHORE AND GANDY, I CAN HEAR IT IN MY HOUSE HALF A MILE AWAY. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE GET CONTROL OF THAT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS AND ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO MAKE THIS BETTER FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS WOULD BE GREAT. THANKS. >>NAYA YOUNG: THAT WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE MY POINT. ONE, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. BUT I KNOW ONE COMPLAINT THAT WE GET A LOT AT OUR OFFICE IS SPECIFICALLY WITH THE CARS, PARTICULARLY LIKE IN THE DOWNTOWN AND CHANNELSIDE AREAS, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE CARS AND THE SOUND IS RICOCHETING OFF THE BUILDINGS AND THEN YOU HAVE THE PARKING GARAGES THAT ARE CLOSE TO THE BUILDINGS, TO RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS. SO HOW DOES THAT COME INTO PLAY WHEN WE'RE TALKING LIKE WITH THE NOISE STUDY? IS THERE A SECOND PART THAT HAS TO BE DONE? KIND OF LOOK FOR HOW DO WE INCORPORATE THAT OR WHAT DOES THAT DISCUSSION LOOK LIKE? BECAUSE WE GET A LOT OF THOSE -- SOME CARS ARE MADE LOUD, BUT IT'S MORE SO, THE ADDITIONS THAT ARE LIKE ADDED ON TO CARS TO MAKE THEM LOUDER. THAT'S A LOT OF THE CALLS THAT WE GET IS JUST THE NOISE FOR THE CARS. >> GREAT QUESTION. THAT IS A PROBLEM STATEWIDE AND NATIONWIDE AND HAS BECOME WORSE AND WORSE. I THINK SOME OF THE CHALLENGES ARE THAT IT'S VERY HARD TO MEASURE BECAUSE IT'S AN INSTANTANEOUS NOISE SOURCE. IT BOUNCES OFF THE HARD SCAPE AND THE BUILDINGS AND TRAVELS THROUGH WINDOWS. IT'S KIND OF THAT ANNOYING TYPE NOISE THAT REALLY BOTHERS THE RESIDENTS AS OPPOSED TO MAYBE A HIGHER LEVEL KIND OF MORE CONSISTENT NOISE. TO GET BACK TO ANOTHER PART OF YOUR QUESTION IS THAT A LOT OF CITIES -- NOT A LOT -- I SHOULD SAY A FEW CITIES HAVE DEVELOPED NOISE ORDINANCES THAT CRACK DOWN ON NON-STOCK MUFFLERS AND ENGINE COMPONENTS. AS YOU MENTIONED, SOME CARS ARE DESIGNED TO BE LOUDER, BUT THERE IS A LOT OF NON-STOCK COMPONENTS. SOME OF THE MUFFLERS THAT ARE CREATED TO SOUND LIKE GUNSHOTS ARE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT PEOPLE WILL USE WHILE SITTING AT AN INTERSECTION, CAN BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR THE RESIDENCES IN THOSE AREAS. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION WITH MORE OF MY RAMBLING, I THINK THAT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR TPD OFFICERS TO ENFORCE THAT, BECAUSE THEY CAN'T BE EVERYWHERE ALL THE TIME. POTENTIALLY SOME OF THE NEW TECHNOLOGIES MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP WITH THAT WITH SOME OF THE CAMERA TECHNOLOGY AND SOME OF THE NOISE IDENTIFICATION TECHNOLOGIES AVAILABLE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. READING THIS YEAR, NOISE ORDINANCE COMPARISON, ALL THREE FLORIDA CITIES COMPARED HAVE HIGHER LIMITS THAN THE TYPICAL ALLOWABLE DAYTIME STANDARDS IN THE U.S. CITIES, CORRECT? >> CORRECT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO WE'RE ALREADY MORE LENIENT THAN A LOT OF OTHER CITIES. I'M GLAD THAT COMMENTS WERE MADE ABOUT HOWARD AVENUE, FOR EXAMPLE. I'VE BEEN HERE MY WHOLE LIFE. I REMEMBER HOW THAT USED TO BE. 30 SOMETHING YEARS AGO. NOW IT'S CRAZY ON A WEEKEND NIGHT WHATEVER. ON MANY NIGHTS. AND THERE'S RESIDENTIAL RIGHT THERE. YOU GO TO THE EAST OFF HOWARD AND IT'S HOUSES. YBOR CITY THAT'S GONE THROUGH A LOT OF CHANGES, IS COMING BACK TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 7th AVENUE, YOU GO OUT THERE, YOU SEE HOW IT IS. I'M GLAD THAT PEOPLE GO THERE AND IT'S BUSY. HOWEVER, THERE ARE A LOT OF HOMES AROUND THERE. IN REGARDS TO THE VEHICLES, I CAN APPRECIATE A GOOD SPORTS CAR WITH STOCK EXHAUST, WHATEVER. BUT EVEN LEAVING HERE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, TWO PEOPLE WERE RACING, A MERCEDES AND BMW. IT WAS THAT CRACKLING, BACKFIRING. IT SOUNDS LIKE GUNSHOTS, NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, THE DECIBEL LEVEL MUST BE INSANE. >> IT IS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU MENTIONED THE THE SOUND CAMERA. HOW DO THEY WORK? SURVEILLANCE, READ THE TAGS, THEY GET A NOTICE, EXPLAIN IT MORE. >> THE ANSWER CAN BE ALL OF THE ABOVE. A SOUND CAMERA ESSENTIALLY WORKS LIKE A MICROPHONE BUT CREATES NOISE CONTOURS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE CREATED IN OUR DOCUMENT. IT WILL KIND OF SHOW YOU, AS YOU KNOW, NOISE IS LIMITED BASED ON DISTANCE AND WHAT'S IN THE PATHWAY. THE FARTHER AWAY YOU GET FROM THE OFFENDING NOISE, THE LESS NOISE LEVEL IT'S GOING TO BE. BUT A SOUND CAMERA CAN TAKE ESSENTIALLY A PICTURE WITH A MICROPHONE AND IDENTIFY HOW LOUD THE NOISE IS AT THE SOURCE AT THE TIME. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS IT ACTIVATED AT THAT MOMENT WHEN THERE IS THAT LOUD POP OR CRACKLE AND THEN TAKES AN IMAGE OR IS IT 24/7? >> IT CAN BE ALL OF THE ABOVE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I THINK FOLKS MIGHT HAVE CONCERN WITH THAT 24/7 FILMING. IF IT'S ACTIVATED BY ABOVE A CERTAIN DECIBEL READING THEN I WOULD ASSUME YOU TELL ME OTHERWISE THAT SOMEBODY EXAMINES EACH CLIP, EACH VIDEO CLIP TO SEE WHAT IS WHAT. >> YEAH, THE TECHNOLOGY IS ADVANCING SO QUICKLY THAT HONESTLY I THINK THERE ARE MANY OF THOSE OPTIONS. I WOULD ASSUME, WITHOUT BEING AN EXPERT ON THAT, WITH THE NEW A.I. TECHNOLOGIES, THAT THAT SHOULD BE A MUCH MORE AUTOMATED SITUATION THAN IT WAS IN THE PAST. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CHAPTER 14, ARTICLE 3 OF THE CITY'S CODE OF ORDINANCES REGARDING THE EXISTING NOISE ORDINANCE. ALREADY MENTIONED. DESIGNATED ENTERTAINMENT AREAS. HOWARD AVENUE IS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAPPENED TO FLOURISH IN THE SENSE THAT YOU HAVE A LOT OF BARS AND ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE. YBOR CITY NEIGHBORHOOD, LIVE, WORK PLAY. HISTORICALLY IT'S CHANGED. IT'S CHANGING AGAIN. BUT THAT WHOLE -- THEY ARE NOT ENTERTAINMENT AREAS. THEY JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE BUSINESSES THAT BRING A CROWD AND THAT'S IT. ALL RIGHT. THANKS. >> THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THIS IS PROBABLY FOR LEGAL. HELLO. WE REQUIRE YOUR ASSISTANCE AT THE PODIUM, PLEASE. THE STUDY IT APPEARS IS JUST, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, A SCIENTIFIC DESCRIPTION OF WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW. IT'S A DOCUMENTED PAMPHLET OF ALL THE OBSERVATIONS WE ALREADY KNOW ARE OCCURRING. JUMPING TO THE ACTUAL, THE SOLUTION, THE PROBLEM IS SOURCE OF NOISE, ENFORCEMENT, AND WHERE THE COURTS ARE ON ALL OF THIS, WHAT'S THE SOLUTION? TAMPA PD DOESN'T WANT ANY PART OF THIS. I CONFIRMED THAT WITH THE MAYOR DURING LUNCH WHEN I PULLED HER OUTSIDE. THE COURTS ARE DECIDING THAT YOU CAN'T DETERMINE THE SOURCE BASED ON THE WIDE SPECTRUM OF NOISE AND JUST BECAUSE, YEAH, YOU DETECT THE NOISE BUT CAN'T PROVE IN A COURT SYSTEM THAT NOISE IS GENERATING AT THAT LOCATION, YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE READ AT THE LOCATION OF WHERE IT'S OFFENSIVE, AT THE PROPERTY. NOW YOU'VE GOT THIS DEPTH OF SPACE THAT TRYING TO PINPOINT WHERE IT'S COMING FROM. MOST OF OUR NOISE COMPLAINTS COME FROM, EXCEPT THE ONE-OFFS, WHERE THERE ARE MULTIPLE SOURCES OF NOISE. SOUTH HOWARD, YBOR, CHANNELSIDE, ALL THESE PLACES THERE ARE MULTIPLE VENUES. WHAT IS THE SOLUTION? WE IDENTIFIED THROUGH THIS STUDY THAT THERE IS NOISE. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? >> MIKE SCHMID, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY. I'VE BEEN WORKING ON NOISE SINCE 2013. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I SUSPECT YOU'LL RETIRE WORKING ON THIS. >> UNFORTUNATELY, ALL THE CHANGES YOU SAW REPRESENTED EARLIER, I'M FAMILIAR WITH ALL OF THEM, EVEN BACK IN 2003 WHEN YCDC DID A STUDY AND HIRED A NOISE CONSULTANT OUT OF THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA TO COME TO YBOR. PART OF THE HISTORY HAS BEEN AND HOW WE GOT HERE IS BACK IN 2003 WHEN YBOR WAS EXPERIENCING A LOT OF NOISE ISSUES AND COMPLAINTS, NOISE WAS ACTUALLY MEASURED FROM THE CENTER OF THE ROADWAY ON 7th AVENUE. CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WERE TRYING TO DO IT AS WELL AS OFFICERS. THE PROBLEMS WERE, THEY WEREN'T SUCCESSFULLY ABLE TO IDENTIFY THE EXACT SOURCE BECAUSE ALL THE BARS WERE PLAYING MUSIC. IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND. I KNOW THAT 85 LOOKS LIKE THAT IS AN INCREDIBLY HIGH NUMBER, BUT WHAT WAS CHANGED WAS WHERE YOU WERE MEASURING IT FROM. WHAT WAS DONE IN YBOR IS WE'RE ALLOWED TO MEASURE DIRECTLY AT THE SOURCE OF THE DOOR SO WE ELIMINATED THE ISSUE OF WHICH BAR THAT SOURCE WAS COMING FROM. IN YBOR, YOU MEASURE AT THE DOORWAY, WHICH MEANS IT NEEDS TO BE A HIGHER LEVEL OR OTHERWISE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE -- YOU ARE NO LONGER MEASURING FROM THE RECEIVING PROPERTY LINE. YOU'VE GOT TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE MEASURING AT THE DOORWAY, WHICH IS WHY IT'S HIGHER AND NOT 65, BECAUSE WE'RE MEASURING LITERALLY AT THE DOORWAY OF THE BAR. THAT WAS ALL DONE WITH A NOISE CONSULTANT WAY BACK IN 2003. IT'S CHANGED OVER THE YEARS TO WHERE WE ARE USING PLAINLY AUDIBLE. PART OF THE REASON USING PLAINLY AUDIBLE IS ENFORCEABILITY. CREATING AN ORDINANCE YOU CAN'T ENFORCE JUST DOESN'T HELP ANYBODY. THAT IS THE BIGGEST THING. YOU ALMOST HAVE TO START THERE. SORRY TO DRAG ON -- OUR RECOMMENDATIONS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WERE TWEAKS TO THE ORDINANCE TO MAKE IT MORE ENFORCEABLE. THAT DID PASS CITY COUNCIL. THERE WERE THEN PEOPLE -- INDIVIDUALS ON HOWARD WILL SAY, CAME OUT, RESTAURANTS, BARS, WHATEVER, THEY CAME OUT AND OBJECTED AFTER IT PASSED AND CITY COUNCIL CHANGED THEIR MIND AND REPEALED THAT SAME ORDINANCE THAT THEY HAD JUST PASSED. WE STILL THINK THOSE ARE VIABLE OPTIONS AND WE STILL WOULD RECOMMEND THOSE OPTIONS. SOME OF THEM WERE ELIMINATING THE FIVE-MINUTE WARNING PERIOD THAT I SAW IN THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE HOWARD AVENUE FOLKS, STATED THAT WAS ONE OF THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL. THERE ARE THINGS WE COULD DO TO SORT OF TWEAK THE ORDINANCE OVERALL, BUT WHOLESALE GOING TO DECIBEL LEVELS, WE'VE BEEN THERE. THAT DIDN'T REALLY, WASN'T VERY ENFORCEABLE IN THE CITY SO WE'VE GONE TO PLAINLY AUDIBLE OVER TIME IN MOST OF THE AREAS OF TAMPA EXCEPT FOR AREAS WHERE WE ARE MEASURING LITERALLY FROM THE DOORWAY OF THE BARS AT YBOR WHICH HAS ALLOWED US TO ENFORCE THAT STILL IN YBOR. BUT OVERALL, WE HAVE PLAINLY AUDIBLE FOR A REASON. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TWO QUICK THINGS. ONE, IS IT ENFORCEABLE FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA TO PASS AN ORDINANCE ON THE NOISE COMING FROM VEHICLES? OR IS THAT PREEMPTED BY STATE? >>MICHAEL SCHMID: GREAT QUESTION. I WAS GOING TO SAY THERE IS ALREADY A NO MODIFIED MUFFLER LAW. SOMETIMES AS WAS MENTIONED, THE DIFFICULTY IS ENFORCING IT BY CATCHING THEM. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I DON'T KNOW. DOWN 7th AVENUE, ALL DAY LONG, THE POLICE ARE STANDING THERE. >>MICHAEL SCHMID: UNDERSTOOD. THERE IS CURRENTLY A LAW. IN FACT, THIS YEAR IN SESSION, THERE WAS ANOTHER LAW SAYING PLAINLY AUDIBLE. IF YOU COULD HEAR A -- MURLER MORE THAN 25 FEET, THE LAW WAS PROPOSED. I DON'T THINK THAT ONE GOT OUT OF FINAL COMMITTEE, BUT I KIND OF NEED TO GO BACK AND DOUBLE CHECK. IT'S NOT IN EFFECT YET, EVEN IF IT HAD, HASN'T BEEN SIGNED. I KNOW THE LEGISLATURE IS ALSO CONSIDERING THE EXACT SAME ISSUE. THERE IS CURRENTLY A CITATION FOR MODIFYING YOUR MUFFLER. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR US TO CLOSE THE COUNCIL SESSION OUT -- NOT CLOSE OUT -- TO ASK YOU TO COME BACK WITH A LIST OF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE ENFORCEABLE UNDER CURRENT LAW OF CHANGES THAT WE COULD MAKE? >>MICHAEL SCHMID: I WOULD BE HAPPY TO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: ALONG THOSE LINES OF WHAT WE RECEIVED FROM MULTIPLE NEIGHBORHOODS. WE GOT LOTS OF GREAT, VERY POINTED SUGGESTIONS FROM NEIGHBORHOODS. ONE OF THE FIRST ONES WAS ADOPTING A NOISE OVERLAY THAT SUPERSEDES INDIVIDUAL BUSINESS SITE PLANS. AND FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THAT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWABLE. AM I CORRECT, MR. COTTON? >>ERIC COTTON: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION. THIS WOULD BE THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE IF YOU ALREADY HAVE -- LET'S USE SOUTH HOWARD, ALREADY HAS ALCOHOL SITE PLANS APPROVED OR OLD WET ZONINGS. PEOPLE PROPOSING SOMETHING ON TOP OF THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH. SEE -- >>ERIC COTTON: THAT'S A LEGAL QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S REALLY SOMETHING WE CAN ANSWER RIGHT TODAY WITHOUT DOING RESEARCH. >>LYNN HURTAK: OBVIOUSLY, WE GOT THESE E-MAILS. THEY WENT MAINLY TO CITY COUNCIL, ALL OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL. SO SOME OF THOSE SHOULD BE VIEWABLE FOR YOU ALL. IF NOT, WE'LL MAKE SURE TO SHARE THEM BECAUSE SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS ARE GREAT ABOUT ADDING NUMERIC DBA THRESHOLD AT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINES NOT ONLY AT THE SOURCE, COMBINED PLAINLY AUDIBLE AND NUMERICAL DECIBEL STANDARDS. DO NOT CHOOSE BETWEEN THEM. EXTEND RESIDENTIAL LIMITS CITYWIDE. THERE ARE LOTS OF DIFFERENT, BUT ELIMINATE THE FIVE MINUTE WARNING PERIOD WAS LIKE IN EVERYBODY'S. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD ALL AGREE ON. I AM REALLY INTERESTED IN NOISE CAMERAS, BUT ALSO SHARE COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO'S CONCERN TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE WERE ABLE TO LOOK AT THOSE, THAT THEY WOULD BE VERY SPECIFICALLY TARGETED AND NOT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE USED 24 HOURS A DAY, THINGS LIKE THAT. PEOPLE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT PRIVACY RIGHT NOW AS WELL, WHICH IS VALID. >>MICHAEL SCHMID: I DO KNOW COMPANIES -- MIKE SCHMID AGAIN, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY. I DO KNOW NOISE COMPANIES ARE OUT THERE ADVERTISING THOSE THINGS. WE WOULD NEED TO IDENTIFY THE COST, OBVIOUSLY, TOO, AND WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU ONCE WE IDENTIFY ALL THAT INFORMATION. >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH, AND JUST SOME RESEARCH BEHIND IT, TOO. AGAIN, MY CONCERN WOULD BE PRIVACY ISSUES. THANK YOU. THIS IS REALLY VALUABLE INFORMATION AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS COUNCIL IS READY TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY REALLY WANT TO SAY OR -- >>BILL CARLSON: WE NEED TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. CAN WE KILL CONVERSATION NOW? COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG AND THEN COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. IN FACT, MR. SCHMID, I BELIEVE YOU ARE HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT. IT WAS MEASURED RIGHT AT THE DOOR OF WHERE THE NOISE WAS COMING FROM. I THINK WE HAD HEARINGS ON THAT. >> YOU DID. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: BACK IN 2007, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT STRAIGHTENED THAT OUT PRETTY QUICKLY, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. >>MICHAEL SCHMID: YES, SIR. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: TIED TO THE LIQUOR LICENSE. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. >>MICHAEL SCHMID: YES, SIR, THAT I MY UNDERSTANDING. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I RECALL THAT, NOT VIVIDLY, BUT MY MIND COMES TO IT WHEN MENTIONED WHAT HAPPENED. THANK YOU, SIR. >>NAYA YOUNG: WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PATH CONTROL MEASURES, THE NOISE BARRIERS AND ACOUSTIC FENCES, STRUCTURAL AND/OR VEGETATIVE, CAN YOU TALK TO ME ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE WITH PARKING GARAGES? LIKE USING THESE METHODS -- I SAY THAT BECAUSE, AGAIN, SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IN CHANNELSIDE, YOU HAVE A RESIDENTIAL, PARKING GARAGE RIGHT NEXT TO IT. THAT SOUND WHEN YOU'RE GOING EITHER UP OR DOWN THE PARKING GARAGE IS KIND OF GOING BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS INTO THE RESIDENTIAL. CAN THESE STRATEGIES BE USED IN THE PARKING GARAGES AS WELL? >> ABSOLUTELY. YOU'RE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH NOISE BARRIERS. EVERYBODY SEES THEM ALONG THE INTERSTATE. F.D.O.T. INSTALLS THEM, WHICH IS A LOT OF THE WORK THAT WE DO. YES, THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF WHAT IS CALLED NOISE BARRIERS. THE ONES YOU SEE ALONG THE INTERSTATE ARE BIG CEMENT, EXPENSIVE VERSIONS THAT WORK VERY WELL. CERTAINLY, THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION WOULD BE TO PUT SOMETHING IN BETWEEN THE RECEPTOR, LET'S SAY THE RESIDENTIAL AREA AND THE NOISE SOURCE, WHICH WOULD BE THE PARKING GARAGE. HOWEVER, THERE'S ALSO SOME MORE MOVABLE ONES, LIKE THE FENCES AND ACOUSTIC BLANKETS IS ANOTHER ITEM THAT WORKS SORT OF LIKE A NOISE BARRIER BUT IS THINNER, LESS EXPENSIVE AND EASIER TO MOVE AROUND. ABSOLUTELY. THERE'S A LOT OF ARCHITECTURAL NOISE MITIGATION OPTIONS THAT COULD BE USED IN A PARKING GARAGE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN CARLSON. LAST QUESTION AND THEN PUBLIC COMMENT. >>BILL CARLSON: ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA SAID, I THINK HE WAS REFERRING TO THE PROPOSALS BY YOLIE CAPIN, FORMER CITY COUNCIL MEMBER 10 OR 15 YEARS AGO. SHE GOT ALL KINDS OF FLACK FOR IT. ANYBODY INTERESTED IN THE SUBJECT, I ENCOURAGE THEM TO GOOGLE IT. CARROT AND STICK. SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO REIN IN THE BAD ACTORS. IF SOMETHING ON THE SITE PLAN AND WE CAN'T CHANGE IT, MAYBE THERE IS A DIFFERENT, INNOVATIVE WAY THAT WE CAN THINK ABOUT IT WITH A CARROT AND A STICK. THE OTHER THING I WANT TO SAY JUST PERSONALLY IS THAT IN 20 MINUTES I HAVE TO LEAVE TO GO PICK UP MY SON. I APOLOGIZE TO ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, IF I HAVE TO LEAVE, I'LL WATCH IT FROM YouTube. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE'RE RUNNING LONG. WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN OUT BY NOW. THIS CONCLUDES THIS PORTION. NOW WE'RE TO PUBLIC COMMENT. IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM, PLEASE STAND ALONG THE WALL. START WITH YOUR NAME. THEN YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. >> MY NAME IS JOHN McDONALD. YOU MIGHT RECALL THAT I'VE BEEN A GUEST HERE BEFORE REGARDING THIS. THAT WAS THE WRONG SLIDE. YOU MIGHT RECALL FROM THIS SLIDE THAT WHEN I WAS A YOUNG BOY, I USED TO MAKE BICYCLES LOUD. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: BASEBALL CARDS. >> RIGHT. IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THE YOUTH OR THE ELDERLY TODAY WANT TO DO IT WITH THEIR CARS, AND THAT'S ILLEGAL. I CAME HERE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, SPOKE AND MET WITH GWEN, SPOKE AND MET WITH COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG. GROUP SOUTH OF US, COLLIER COUNTY, YOUR PEERS, LAW ENFORCEMENT GOT TOGETHER AND SAID WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS. THEY HAVE A NOISE TASK FORCE. I CAME IN HERE AND GAVE YOU YouTube LINKS TO FOLLOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE DOING. I DID THE JOB OF CONSULTANT. THIS REPORT DID NOT COME FORWARD WITH ANY RECOMMENDATIONS. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD CONCLUDE THAT AS A DELIVERABLE, SAVING THE CITY MONEY PAID $75,000 FOR IT UNTIL WE GET RECOMMENDATIONS. THESE PEOPLE ARE BREAKING LAWS LEFT AND RIGHT. I LIVE AND OPERATE A BUSINESS DOWNTOWN. I GUARANTEE YOU BEFORE YOU GO TO BED TONIGHT YOU'LL HEAR THIS. EVERYONE IN HERE. LAW ENFORCEMENT ON THE BEAT KNOWS A TOYOTA OUT OF THE MANUFACTURER DOESN'T MAKE THAT NOISE. IF IT GOES BY, YOU GET IN THE CAR, GO OVER AND GIVE A $300 FINE. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ENTITLED TO DO TO ENFORCE IT. WE'RE NOT DOING IT. I'M ASKING YOU TO PLEASE HAVE CONVERSATION WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT TO GO AHEAD AND SAY, LOOK, WE'RE GETTING OUR EARS FILLED, NO PUN INTENDED, FROM ARE YOUR CONSTITUENTS, RESIDENTS, AND WE'VE GOT THE TOOLS. WE'RE ALREADY ENGAGED. LEGISLATION IS ALREADY ALLOWING YOU TO DO THIS. COLLIER COUNTY ALSO SENT A LETTER OUT IN ENGLISH AND SPANISH TO EVERY MECHANIK SHOP SAYING DON'T DO THIS, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO GET A FINE, TOO. THEY PUT SIGNS UP AT MAJOR THOROUGHFARES. IF YOU GO TO PALM AVENUE DOWN TO THE CONVENTION CENTER, A CAR CAN HIT THAT, ALMOST EVERY LIGHT, SOMETIMES. IF NOT THERE'S PLENTY OF ROADWAY. I'VE BEEN THERE WHEN THE POLICE ARE STANDING THERE JUST LIKE ON 7th AVENUE. [KNOCK KNOCK] CAN YOU HEAR THAT? YEAH, WHY AREN'T YOU DOING ANYTHING? POLITELY. I'M HERE ON A TASK FORCE TO NEGATE SPEEDING BECAUSE WE LOST A PERSON IN AN ACCIDENT DUE TO SPEEDING. THAT'S GREAT. SET UP A SECOND TASK FORCE BEHIND HER WATCHING SPEEDING, LET'S GET THE NOISE KNOCKED OUT. IF WE PUT A LITTLE PRESSURE ON, THE SQUEAKY WHEEL GETS THE GREASE. BAYSHORE, EVERY COUPLE OF MONTHS, SPEED TRAP. PUT SOME SIGNS UP, QUOTE THE ORDINANCE, BAYSHORE -- OR 7th AVENUE HAS LIT SIGNS THAT SAYS NO CRUISING, NO NOISE. PUT IT UP. GIVE THE LAW THE REASONABLE ACTIONS TO FOLLOW AND SAY FOLLOW THEM AND WRITE CITATIONS. I DON'T THINK I'D APPRECIATE A $300 FINE AND THEN A $600 ONE IF, YEAH, MUFFLER STILL ON YOUR CAR. HERE IS A $600 FINE. I THINK IT WILL HURT SOME OF THESE PEOPLE. AGAIN, YOU DON'T NEED TECHNOLOGY OR TOOLS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. TIME IS UP. NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. >> MY NAME IS HOLLY NESDA, RESIDENT OF RICHARD PARK IN THE HEIGHTS SINCE 2013. I PURCHASED MY FIRST HOME AS SINGLE WOMAN AND SHARE WITH MY HUSBAND AND TWO AND A HALF-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER. WE LOVE THE HEIGHTS AND COMMITTED TO PROTECTING. WHILE SPEAKING ABOUT THE NOISE ISSUES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE HEIGHTS, CONCERN EXTENDS BEYOND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. CLEAR EXAMPLE OF WHY TAMPA SOUND ORDINANCE MUST BE CAREFULLY PRESERVED AND ENFORCED TO PROTECT THE RESIDENTS OF THIS CITY. IN THE FALL OF 2025, HOSTING ELECTRONIC DANCE CONTESTS. THURSDAY THROUGH SATURDAY. AS ADVERTISED ON THEIR WEBSITE, THE EVENTS BEGIN AT 9 P.M. AND CONTINUE UNTIL 3:00 IN THE MORNING. THE VENUE IS AN OUTDOOR OPEN AIR BALCONY WHERE THEY HOST WORLD-CLASS DEEJAYS WITH THEIR NEW CUTTING EDGE SOUND SYSTEM. THIS IS NOT AN OCCASIONALLY PERMITTED EVENT. IT IS WEEKLY. IT'S ONGOING, AND IT'S INDEFINITE. THE HEIGHTS IS A LONG ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY WHERE FAMILIES HAVE LIVED PEACEFULLY FOR DECADES. THE BASS FROM THIS NEW SOUND SYSTEM IS SO INTENSE THAT IT CAN LITERALLY BE HEARD AND FELT INSIDE OUR HOME AND WE LIVE NEARLY HALF A MILE AWAY. IT'S BEEN DISRUPTING OUR SLEEP AND QUALITY OF LIFE AND WE CANNOT ESCAPE IT. OVER THE PAST SIX MONTHS, OUR COMMUNITY HAS WORKED ENDLESSLY THROUGH EVERY APPROPRIATE CHANNEL. WE'VE SPOKEN DIRECTLY WITH MANAGEMENT OWNERSHIP CONTACTED CITY COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVES, AND WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT. OFFICERS HAVE BEEN INSIDE OUR HOME ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS BETWEEN THE HOURS OF MIDNIGHT AND 3 A.M. WEARING BODY CAM FOOTAGE AND HAVE DOCUMENTED THE MUSIC AND BASS ARE PLAINLY AUDIBLE, EVEN FROM HALF A MILE AWAY. DESPITE WARNINGS, ISSUED CITATIONS, THE RAUCOUS NOISE CONTINUES. THE CITATIONS ARE NOW BEING CONTESTED IN COURT, FINES REMAIN UNPAID, AND COURT DATES ARE NOW BEING DELAYED. I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE NOISE ORDINANCE OR POTENTIAL CHANGES. REMOVING ABILITY FOR RESIDENTS TO BE SWORN COMPLAINANTS OR REQUIRING EXPENSIVE SOUND METERS FOR EVERY VIOLATION WOULD MAKE ENFORCEMENT EVEN MORE DIFFICULT, VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE. IT WOULD BE VERY COSTLY FOR THE CITY, THE TAXPAYERS, AND IT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER FOR WELL-FUNDED BUSINESSES TO CHALLENGE ALL OF THESE VIOLATIONS IN COURT. IT IS CLEARLY BECOMING A DAVID VERSUS GOLIATH SITUATION, BUT THESE BUSINESSES ARE NOT ABOVE THE CITY'S ORDINANCES. THE RESIDENTS OF THE HEIGHTS, WE WERE HERE FIRST AND WE ACTUALLY LIVE THERE. WE'RE ASKING THE BUSINESSES THAT CHOSE TO MOVE INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS SIMPLE, BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND RESPECT THE PEOPLE THAT CALL THIS AREA HOME. AND WHAT WE'RE ASKING OF ALL OF YOU IS TO PRESERVE A NOISE ORDINANCE THAT PROTECTS THE RESIDENTS WHEN BUSINESSES CHOOSE NOT TO BE NEIGHBORLY. BECAUSE WHEN THESE PROTECTIONS FAIL, THE OUTCOME IS DEVASTATING. IT'S FAMILIES LIKE MINE BEING PUSHED TO CONSIDER LEAVING AND SELLING OUR HOMES THAT WE WORKED SO HARD TO BUILD AND THE PLACES THAT WE CREATED OUR LIVES AND MEMORIES. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. START WITH YOUR NAME. >> MY NAME IS NICK CARTER. I LIVE IN RIDGEWOOD PARK. BEEN THERE FOR SIX YEARS. I BUILT A NEW HOME. I EXPECTED NOISE IN THE CITY. I WENT CRAZY ON THE INSULATION. YOU HEARD THE SOUND CONSULTANT TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE MITIGATING THINGS. I HAVE INSULATION BETWEEN EVERY WALL IN MY HOUSE, INTERNAL WALLS, CEILINGS, FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR, YET I STILL HEAR THE NOISE FROM EMBER. I DON'T JUST HEAR IT, I FEEL IT. IT JUST VIBRATES YOUR WHOLE BODY. WE JUST HEARD FROM CITY STAFF THAT THERE ARE NO ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS DESIGNATED WITHIN TAMPA. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE REGULATIONS, IT SAYS EXCESSIVE NOISE, IF YOU CAN HEAR IT BETWEEN 10 P.M. AND 7 A.M., A HUNDRED FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, THAT'S DEEMED TO BE EXCESSIVE. I LIVE .4 MILES AWAY FROM ARMATURE WORKS. IT'S LIKE 2,000 FEET. OBVIOUSLY WELL WITHIN THE HUNDRED FEET. NOW, IT TALKS ABOUT THE PROPERTY LINE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S VERY WELL DEFINED. I DON'T KNOW WHERE LEGALLY THE PROPERTY LINE OF ARMATURE WORKS IS. BUT IF WE EXTEND ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE PARCEL THAT STRADDLES PALM AND NORTH BOULEVARD, THAT'S STILL 400 FEET AWAY FROM MY HOUSE AND I STILL FEEL IT. WHAT WE'RE ASKING THE CITY COUNCIL TO DO IS TO ENFORCE A NOISE ORDINANCE. LET'S MAKE SURE THAT IT'S FIRST OF ALL REASONABLE FOR EVERYBODY. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR BUSINESSES TO BE SHUT DOWN. WE'RE ASKING THEM TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS, TO BE CONSIDERATE OF THE RESIDENCES AROUND THEM. BUT IF THEY ARE NOT, THEN LET'S BE ABLE TO ENFORCE THESE REGULATIONS. GIVE THEM A CITATION AND THE $50 FINE IS ABSOLUTELY MEANINGLESS. THAT IS A ROUND OF SHOTS AT EMBER. LET'S MAKE SURE WE HAVE TEETH IN THESE REGULATIONS SO IF THEY FAIL TO ADHERE TO THEM THAT THEY SHUT THEM DOWN. SECONDARILY, WE HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT THAT WE DON'T PUT A BURDEN ON TPD. IF WE ARE ASKING THEM TO RUN AROUND WITH DECIBEL METERS, THERE IS A COST OF TRAINING ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. AND THEN YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE THE LEGAL CHALLENGES AROUND WHEN WAS IT CALIBRATED. SHOW ME THE SOURCE CODE. THINK ABOUT ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES AND POLICE FORCES UNABLE TO ENFORCE DUI BECAUSE ATTORNEYS ARE CONSTANTLY CHALLENGING THE SOURCE CODE AND THE CALIBRATION. LET'S LOOK AFTER THE CITY OF TAMPA RESIDENTS. PLEASE ENFORCE ANY TYPE OF NOISE REGULATIONS TO SAFEGUARD OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. >> HELLO. MY NAME IS RYAN NESDA. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF THE HEIGHTS SINCE 2012. I REPRESENT A LONG ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY THAT'S EXISTED FOR DECADES. IN RECENT YEARS, ENTERTAINMENT VENUES IN ARMATURE WORKS HAVE MOVED CLOSER TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. FOR A LONG TIME, THIS RELATIONSHIP FELT BALANCED AND MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL. HOWEVER IN RECENT MONTHS THAT BALANCE HAS BEEN BROKEN DOWN. ELECTRONIC DANCE MUSIC VENUE EMBERED REGULARLY DISRUPTS THE NEIGHBORHOOD PEACE EVERY THURSDAY, FRIDAY, SATURDAY NIGHT UNTIL 3 A.M. THIS HAS SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTED MY FAMILY'S ABILITY TO REST AND ENJOY OUR HOME. AS A PHYSICIAN SERVING THE TAMPA COMMUNITY, SLEEP IS NOT A LUXURY, IT IS ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL. HAVING MY WALLS SHAKING UNTIL 3 A.M. IS SIMPLY UNACCEPTABLE. DESPITE MULTIPLE GOOD FAITH EFFORTS TO WORK DIRECTLY WITH THE BUSINESS AND ITS OWNERSHIP, NO MEANINGFUL CHANGE HAS OCCURRED. MY ONLY RECOURSE HAS BEEN TO INVOLVE THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT AND RELY ON THE CURRENT SOUND ORDINANCE. WHILE THE PROCESS HAS BEEN LONG AND FRUSTRATING, IT IS BEGINNING TO PRODUCE TANGIBLE RESULTS. IT IS CLEAR THAT MEANINGFUL CHANGE ONLY HAPPENS WHEN THERE ARE ENFORCEABLE CONSEQUENCES. MY CONCERN MOVING FORWARD IS SIGNIFICANT. THE SAME OWNERSHIP CONTROLS LAND EXTENDING FROM ARMATURE WORKS TO WITHIN A FEW HUNDRED YARDS OF MY PROPERTY LINE AND EVEN CLOSER TO OTHERS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WITHOUT STRONG SAFEGUARDS, THERE IS REAL RISK OF ADDITIONAL VENUES LIKE EMBERED EXPANDING FURTHER INTO OUR COMMUNITY. INTERESTS SHOULD NOT ALIGN WITH -- THE CURRENT SOUND ORDINANCE PROVIDES RESIDENTS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT WITH THE NECESSARY OR AT LEAST SOME OF THE NECESSARY TOOLS TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES. WEAKENING IT OR SHIFTING POWER AWAY FROM THOSE DIRECTLY IMPACTED WOULD BE A DISSERVICE TO COMMUNITIES LIKE OURS AS ENTERTAINMENT VENUES CONTINUE TO EXPAND. IN MEDICINE, WE OFTEN SAY, THE ENEMY OF GOOD IS BETTER. IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN SOMETHING IS WORKING, EVEN IF IT IS NOT PERFECT, ATTEMPTING TO IMPROVE IT CAN SOMETIMES MAKE IT WORSE. FROM A RESIDENT'S PERSPECTIVE, I CAN SAY WITH CONFIDENCE THAT CHANGING THE CURRENT ORDINANCE WILL MAKE CONDITIONS WORSE FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND NOT TO STEAL FROM WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER, BUT CAN WE JUST TURN DOWN THE DAMN MUSIC? THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. >> HELLO. JOSEPH CALDWELL. I ALSO, MY WIFE AND I LIVE IN THE RIDGEWOOD PARK NEIGHBORHOOD. WE'RE ABOUT SIX-TENTHS OF A MILE FROM EMBERED. WE MOVED IN BEFORE ARMATURE WORKS WAS A THING. WE MOVED THERE TO BE CLOSE TO ACTIVITIES. RICK'S ON THE RIVER HAS BEEN THERE DECADES, PROBABLY LONGER THAN I'VE BEEN ALIVE. WE HEAR THEM DURING THE DAY. YOU HEAR THEM IF YOU ARE OUTSIDE. IT'S NOT AUDIBLE IN YOUR HOME. IT'S NEVER BEEN A NUISANCE. IT'S SOMETHING WE ENJOY SITTING OUT FRONT HEARING THE MUSIC IN THE FRONT YARDS ACROSS THE RIVER. EMBERED MOVES IN AND AS MUCH AS I'VE BEEN THERE AND ENJOY THE PLACE, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT UNTIL 2, 3 IN THE MORNING. WE'RE TRYING TO SLEEP. THIS IS A HOME OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES TOWNHOMES. WE'RE NOT IN A VERTICAL SPACE. NOT IN YBOR CITY ON 7th AVENUE. WE DIDN'T MOVE IN THERE TO BE KEPT AWAKE UNTIL 2 OR 3 IN THE MORNING. EVERYBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT NOISES ON HOWARD AND YBOR. I HAVE MY REAL ESTATE OFFICE IN YBOR CITY. MY WIFE AND I ADVOCATED FOR YBOR SINCE WE MOVED HERE. IT'S BEEN A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO LIVE BECAUSE OF THE NOISE. COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, BOUGHT A BUNCH OF LOTS IN YBOR ON 5th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th OR DURING THE WORKSHOP SESSION ON THE 25th IS UP TO US. THAT'S WHAT I SAW WAS AVAILABLE. YES, CHAIR CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'M GOING TO MAKE THREE SUGGESTIONS. IT KIND OF INCORPORATES. ONE, I REQUEST THAT TAMPA PD PREPARE A PLAN AND AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN TO ENFORCE VEHICLE NOISE AND INITIALLY FOCUS ON 7th AVENUE, SOUTH HOWARD, SWAN/HYDE PARK AREA AND PALM AVENUE BETWEEN NORTH BOULEVARD AND FLORIDA, THIS IS JUST A TEST AREA AND HAVE THE PLAN DONE WITHIN 90 DAYS FOR AT LEAST A 90 DAY TEST RUN TO SEE HOW THAT WORKS. CHANNELSIDE TOO. INCLUDE CHANNELSIDE. >>LYNN HURTAK: I LIKE THAT IDEA, BUT I THINK IF YOU'RE DOING A PILOT, IN MY OPINION, A PILOT, IF YOU PUT IT IN ONE SPOT AND YOU TRY MULTIPLE THINGS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK THIS IS JUST, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THOSE VEHICLE NOISE WHICH WE ALREADY DETERMINED IS ILLEGAL. PUT PD -- WE'RE -- COUNCIL IS ASKING PD -- >>LYNN HURTAK: I SEE TO ENFORCE IN THOSE FIVE AREAS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A PLAN WITHIN 90 AND AT LEAST A 90 DAY RUN TO SEE HOW IT WORKS. >>LYNN HURTAK: DO WE WANT TO DO THAT AS A SEPARATE MOTION? I HAVE A MOTION FROM CHAIR CLENDENIN. I HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NUMBER TWO IS I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE LEGAL STAFF RETURN TO COUNCIL -- HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A DATE -- TO SEE IF WE COULD PASS AN ORDINANCE MAKING IT ILLEGAL IN THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR BUSINESSES TO MODIFY VEHICLES, FOR THE NOISE MODIFICATION OF VEHICLES. CAN WE REGULATE VEHICLE MODIFICATIONS WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA? YOU CAN GIVE ME A THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN. COME BACK AND LET US KNOW WHETHER WE CAN. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S WHY I'M THINKING JUNE 25, COME BACK WITH QUESTIONS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK WE SHOULD DO THIS AT COUNCIL MEETING. JUNE 18 COUNCIL MEETING. COME BACK ON JUNE 18 TO LET US KNOW WHETHER WE CAN MAKE AN ORDINANCE PROHIBITING VEHICLES FROM MAKING VEHICLE MODIFICATIONS FOR THE PURPOSE OF ILLEGALLY PRODUCING NOISE. >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A MOTION FROM CHAIR CLENDENIN. I HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO LOOK AT -- THE GENTLEMAN WHO CAME AND SPOKE ABOUT A SPECIFIC COUNTY -- COLLIER, SPECIFICALLY LOOK AT COLLIER COUNTY'S ORDINANCE. SO I THINK CAN WE TIE THAT IN? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ABSOLUTELY. ACCEPT THAT FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY. I WONDER IF THIS WOULD BE SUITABLE FOR A WRITTEN RESPONSE RATHER THAN AN APPEARANCE. WHAT IS IT YOU WOULD LIKE? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE THAT LONG OF A DISCUSSION. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION. COME BACK WITH WRITTEN AND ALWAYS CHANGE IT TO HAVE STAFF. >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS IS WHY I REALLY THINK IT SHOULD BE JUNE 25 BECAUSE I DO THINK ULTIMATELY WE'LL HAVE A LOT TO TALK ABOUT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN'T PASS AN ORDINANCE. >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO PASS AN ORDINANCE ON THE 18th EITHER. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IF HE BRINGS IT TO US, WE WILL. >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO, YOU WON'T. SORRY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU ALWAYS TELL ME ALL THE STUFF I CAN'T DO. YOU NEED TO TELL ME ALL THE WONDERFUL THINGS I'M ALLOWED TO DO. HE ALWAYS TELLS ME I CAN'T DO THINGS ALL THE TIME. HE'S LIKE MOM. NO NO NO. >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A MOTION. KEEP IT THE 18th? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO, TAKE IT TO THE WORKSHOP. >>LYNN HURTAK: MOTION FROM CHAIR CLENDENIN TO BRING THAT MOTION BACK ON JUNE 25. I HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA FINDING OUT -- DO YOU WANT A DRAFT ORDINANCE TO WORK FROM? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IF THEY FEEL LIKE THEY CAN DO IT. OR BRING BACK THE EXPLANATION. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT TO COME BACK WITH A DRAFT ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU KNOW WHETHER YOU CAN I THINK WOULD BE ASKING A LOT FOR THAT BECAUSE IT'S STILL A THRESHOLD DISCUSSION THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DIRECT TO DO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE'LL LISTEN TO THE LAWYER FOR ONCE. >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LASTLY, I WOULD LIKE THEM ON THAT WORKSHOP MEETING AGAIN ON JUNE 25 TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL -- LEGAL STAFF TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL TO PRESENT SUGGESTIONS FOR ENFORCEABLE ORDINANCE CHANGES ON NOISE. ENFORCEABLE ORDINANCE CHANGES ON NOISE. >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS IT. TO ALSO ASK THEM TO CONSIDER IF IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE FOR CHAPTER 14 SO MAYBE HAVE A BETTER SPECTRUM. COMBINED TO 27. >>ERIC COTTON: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE NOISE RIGHT NOW IS IN CHAPTER 14. CHAPTER 27 IS THE ZONING REGULATIONS. >>LYNN HURTAK: GOOD TO KNOW. OKAY. >>ERIC COTTON: ANY CHANGES TO CHAPTER 14 GO THROUGH THEIR OWN PROCESS, NOT THE SAME AS TYPICAL TWO CYCLES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SO THAT'S IT. >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A MOTION FROM CHAIR CLENDENIN AND, AGAIN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING WHAT MODIFICATIONS TO CHAPTER 14? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ENFORCEABLE -- I WANT LEGAL STAFF TO RETURN TO PRESENT TO COUNCIL ENFORCEABLE -- PROPOSED ENFORCEABLE RULE CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE ON 14. >>LYNN HURTAK: FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO DEAL WITH AUDIBLE VERSUS DBA. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK THAT'S PART OF WHETHER IT IS ENFORCEABLE. >>LYNN HURTAK: I KNOW. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING SPECIFICALLY, BECAUSE WE HAVE GOTTEN COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORS IN BOTH DIRECTIONS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NOT INCLUSIVE. >>LYNN HURTAK: NOT INCLUSIVE, BUT WE WANT TO DO WHATEVER IS MOST PERMISSIVE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHATEVER IS ENFORCEABLE. >>LYNN HURTAK: GREAT. I HAVE A MOTION FROM CHAIR CLENDENIN. I HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. >>THE CLERK: [INAUDIBLE] >>ALAN CLENDENIN: JUST DISCUSSION. THAT WILL BE THE WORKSHOP. 25th. I'M GOOD. COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG. >>NAYA YOUNG: I DON'T KNOW WHICH DEPARTMENT IT WOULD BE, BUT EITHER MOBILITY OR PLANNING TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH ACOUSTIC DESIGN STANDARDS FOR NEW AND EXISTING OPERATORS, PARTICULARLY THOSE WITHIN FEET OF RESIDENTIAL TOWERS. WE HAVE PARKING GARAGES NEAR SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS. WE ALSO HEARD OF SOME BARRIERS AND THINGS THAT COULD BE USED. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THEORY WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE. IF THEY CAN COME BACK AND TELL IF IT IS NEW OR EXISTING. I GUESS IT WOULD BE MOBILITY AND PLANNING. I DON'T KNOW. I SAY BOTH. >>LYNN HURTAK: SAY STAFF AND THEY'LL FIGURE IT OUT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG. A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I GUESS I'LL WRAP UP THE OTHERS. I WOULD LIKE STAFF AS PART OF THIS -- AND DOES SOMEBODY JUST WANT TO TAKE THIS -- YOU'VE BEEN WORKING A LOT ON NOISE. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO MOVE THIS FORWARD -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TO BE ABLE TO TRACK IT. >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M DOING THE TREES. I'M COMBINING IT ALL. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO TAKE NOISE? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG SOUNDS LIKE SHE WANTS TO TAKE NOISE. AND SHE'S DOWNTOWN. SHE'S YBOR. >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU ARE THE ONE WHO SEEMS -- >>NAYA YOUNG: [INAUDIBLE] >>LYNN HURTAK: WHETHER OR NOT I'LL DO IS PUT A FEW MOTIONS AND LET YOUR OFFICE FIGURE IT OUT. I DO WANT TO HAVE -- I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO COME BACK WITH SOME PROACTIVE, AND WHETHER THAT BE LEGISLATIVE, MAYBE THAT IS YOUR ANSWER. IF IT IS, IT IS. BUT WHAT PROACTIVE THINGS CAN WE DO TO HELP -- TO MAKE OUR NOISE ORDINANCE STRONGER. APPARENTLY WE NEED TO LOOK AT COLLIER COUNTY. SO I'D LIKE TO DO THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FOR CLARIFICATION, COME BACK WITH SUGGESTIONS. >>LYNN HURTAK: OH, OKAY. SUGGESTIONS. WELL, I SPECIFICALLY WANTED PROACTIVE. BUT THAT'S FINE. AND THEN YOU FOCUSED ENFORCEMENT IN THAT TOO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ENFORCEMENT WAS JUST ON THE VEHICLE STUFF. VEHICLE NOISES. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANTED SOMETHING SIMILAR FOR ACTUAL NOISE COMPLAINTS. HE'S HANDLING THE PROACTIVE. I DO WANT TO LOOK AT THE REACTIVE. WHAT CAN WE DO, IS THERE A WAY WE CAN HAVE FOCUSED ENFORCEMENT ON NOISE? WHETHER THAT BE A SMALL TASK FORCE THAT DIVIDES THEIR TIME BETWEEN -- I DON'T WANT TO SPECIFY AREAS BECAUSE AREAS CAN CHANGE ALL OVER THE CITY OVER A YEAR. WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE TO HAVE A REACTIVE TEAM THAT FOCUSES ON NOISE? AND ONE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD PEOPLE MADE A REALLY GOOD POINT THAT THAT TEAM SHOULD NOT INCLUDE ANY OF THE OFFICERS WHO ON OVERTIME ACTUALLY WORK FOR CLUBS OR THOSE TYPES OF AREAS BECAUSE THAT IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. AND MAYBE THAT'S PART OF THE RULES. MY MOTION IS WHAT WE -- FOCUSED ENFORCEMENT REACTIVE SUGGESTIONS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BASICALLY, REMEMBER, REQUEST TAMPA PD PREPARE AND IMPLEMENT A PLAN TO ENFORCE -- >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU WANTED VEHICLE NOISE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TAKE THE VEHICLE OUT AND PUT NOISE -- REQUEST. >>LYNN HURTAK: TAMPA PD PREPARE AND IMPLEMENT A PLAN TO ENFORCE NOISE, AMBIENT NOISE. YOU HAD IT SPECIFIC. I DID NOT WANT TO MAKE IT SPECIFIED. NO, A TASK FORCE. AND WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE. WHAT WOULD THEY DO. AND TO COME BACK ALSO ON JUNE 25 WITH THIS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. ANYTHING ELSE? >>LYNN HURTAK: I'LL HOLD MY MOTIONS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST A QUESTION, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE TECHNOLOGICAL ISSUES VERSUS THE MICROPHONE TYPE THINGS DISCUSSED BY THE CONSULTANT? >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH. OH ABSOLUTELY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHEN YOU SAY TASK FORCE, IT WOULD INCLUDE ALSO THE TECHNOLOGY? >>LYNN HURTAK: MOTION WAS REQUEST FOR TAMPA PD TO PREPARE A PLAN TO ENFORCE. NONEXCLUSIVE. IF THEY THINK THAT IS A STRATEGY THEY WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT, THEN WE CAN LOOK AT IT NOISE CAMERAS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I QUESTION IF THAT ENDS UP BEING THE SAME PROBLEM. IDENTIFY THE SOURCE. >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WORRY ABOUT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT IS WORTH LOOKING AT JUST IN CASE. A.I. CAN DO ANYTHING, RIGHT? IT'S GOING TO REPLACE LAWYERS HERE BEFORE YOU KNOW IT. I'M COUNTING DOWN THE DAYS. [ LAUGHTER ] >>MARTIN SHELBY: A.I. DOESN'T ALLOW ITSELF TO BE ABUSED. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT CONCLUDES OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED PROGRAM. WE'RE AT NEW BUSINESS. COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG. >>NAYA YOUNG: I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN THE MEMO I SENT REGARDING THE HONORARY NAME OF FRANK REDDICK. JUST WANTED TO BE SURE EVERYBODY RECEIVED THAT MEMO. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS THAT GOING TO BE SET ON AN AGENDA? >>NAYA YOUNG: I'LL MAKE THE MOTION ON MAY 7. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE'LL ANTICIPATE THE MOTION ON MAY 7. VERY GOOD. ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S IT. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK? >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. THE ATU IS NOT GOING TO BE READY TO CHOOSE AN EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH UNTIL JUNE. I MOVE TO REMOVE ATU LOCAL'S 1464 EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH AND RESCHEDULE ATU LOCAL 1464 EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH FROM THE MAY 7, 2026, AGENDA. OUR NEXT ATU EMPLOYEE AWARD WILL BE ON JUNE 4, 2026. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. ANYTHING ELSE? >>LYNN HURTAK: NO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA GAVE ME THESE 12 COMMENDATIONS. I'M KIDDING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IF NOMINATED, I REFUSE TO ACCEPT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO PRESENT A COMMENDATION OFF-SITE TO JOHN BELL FROM THE TAMPA THEATRE IN RECOGNITION OF HIS RETIREMENT FROM THE TAMPA THEATRE AT A DATE TO BE DETERMINED. I BELIEVE IT WILL BE END OF JUNE, AROUND THERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO TO RECOGNIZE A VERY WORTHY MAN. SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. IS THAT IT? COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HAVE A FEW SINCE MR. VIERA IS NOT HERE. WE HAD A VERY SUCCESSFUL WEEK, WEST TAMPA HEIGHTS DID A FANTASTIC CLEANUP ALL THROUGH THE AREA. I WANT TO GIVE THEM A COMMENDATION, ALONG WITH NINE STUDENTS FROM TAMPA CATHOLIC WHO PARTICIPATED IN THE CLEANUP AND MAKING A CLEANUP. THEY DID A WONDERFUL JOB. THE TEACHER AT TAMPA CATHOLIC WHO GAVE THE STUDENTS THE AUTHORITY TO GO OUT AND DO THIS AND COORDINATED THE THING. I'M JUST GOING TO PASS THEM OUT BUT DO THEM A LATER DATE. MAYBE COME HERE, NOT SURE YET. ONE MORE FOR THE RETIREMENT OF JEFF PATTERSON FOR 40 YEARS AT CHANNEL 8. RETIRED AS ONE OF THE LONGEST SERVING INDIVIDUALS ON TV. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, ASK HE HAD FROM MANISCALCO. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I PROMISE I WON'T TAKE OVER MR. VIERA'S POSITION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN -- SECOND FROM MANISCALCO. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. I THINK WE CAN DO THE MOTION TONIGHT. THIS IS FROM OUR WONDERFUL BUDGET ANALYST. REMEMBER, THAT AUGUST 3rd IS OUR WORKSHOP ON GENERAL FUNDS. AUGUST 10 IS OUR WORKSHOP ON ENTERPRISE FUNDS. AUGUST 17 IS OUR WORKSHOP ON STORMWATER MOBILITY. MONDAYS. ALL OF THEM ARE ON MONDAYS. THE ONLY QUESTION OUTSTANDING IS TIME CERTAIN, WHAT TIME WE START. I THINK SOME OF THEM NEED TO BE DAYS. SOME NIGHTS. TONIGHT, WHEN WE JOIN TOGETHER IN HARMONY AGAIN THIS EVENING, PLEASE, IF YOU HAVE ANY CONFLICTS, THINK ABOUT. I THINK, OBVIOUSLY, PROBABLY THE GENERAL FUND OR MAYBE STORMWATER DEFINITELY NEED TO BE AT NIGHT. THE OTHER TWO IN THE DAY. I'LL BRING THAT BACK OR SOMEBODY WILL BRING THAT BACK TONIGHT TO SET THE TIME. LET'S PLAN ON THAT THIS EVENING. MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY. FOR THE PURPOSES OF YOUR CALENDAR, JUST A REMINDER THAT THE WEEK -- THE SECOND WEEK IN AUGUST, IS THAT THE 10th YOU SAID? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE 10th, YES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THERE IS NO MEETING ON THAT THURSDAY BECAUSE OF THE LEAGUE OF CITIES. THAT WOULD BE ONE DAY. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WOULD RECOMMEND ENTERPRISE BE DURING THE DAY AND MAYBE THE OTHERS AT NIGHT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THINK ABOUT THAT. COME BACK TONIGHT. ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE CHANGES TO THAT, LET ME KNOW. WE'LL HAVE THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT. MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK TO RECEIVE AND FILE. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. WE ARE ADJOURNED. [ SOUNDING GAVEL ] SEE YOU ALL AT 5:01 P.M. AT BEAUTIFUL HISTORIC CITY HALL IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA.