>>COUN. BASSAN: GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. HAPPY CINCO DE MAYO. WE'LL COME TO ORDER. ALL COUNCILORS ARE PRESENT WITH COUNCILOR PEÑA JOINING US ON ZOOM. WE'LL START WITH A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IN ENGLISH AND IN SPANISH. [ INAUDIBLE ]. >>COUN. BASSAN: CIVIC PLAZA PARKING PASSES ARE PROVIDED FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. YOU CAN OBTAIN NEAR THE CHAMBERS ENTRANCE. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CITY STAFF AND THE MEAD YOU HAVE THE ABILITY VIEW THIS ON LIVE STREAMS AND GOVTV CHANNEL 16, AND YOU TUBE AND ZOOM. THE LIVE STREAMS CAN BE ACCESSED FROM MOST SMART PHONES, TABLETS OR COMPUTERED. THIS MEETING IS CLOSED CAPTIONED. YOU MAY ENABLE IT AT THIS TIME. THE RECORDING OF THIS AND ALL PAST COUNCIL MEETING WILL REVAIN VIEWABLE ON THE CITY COUNCIL WEBSITE. MEMBERS OF THE STAFF ARE AVAILABLE VIA TELEPHONE, 505-768-3100 FOR ASSISTANCE DURING BUSINESS HOURS 8 A.M. TO 5 P.M. THE COUNCIL WILL TAKE A BREAK AT 7 P.M. IF NEEDED. WE WANT TONIGHT TO BE AS CIVIL AS POSSIBLE. NO PERSONAL ATTACKS OR APPLAUSE OR SNAPPING OR CLAPPING DURING THE MEETING. THIS MEETING WILL GO SMOOTHER IF WE CAN RESPECT ONE ANOTHER. WE'LL START WITH PROCLAMATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS. COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK -- THERE SHE IS. MS. BECK, MS. McKINNY, AND GRANDDAUGHTER TO COME TO THE PODIUM. HELLO, AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY. THIS IS FOSTER CARE MONTH. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. MARILYN IS WITH THE NEW MEXICO CHILD FIRST NETWORK. AND I CAN'T REMEMBER YOUR NIECE'S NAME. MARRON. WHEREAS, STAFF HEALTHY CHILDREN ARE THE KEY TO A SAFE HEALTHY FUTURE FOR OUR COMMUNITY. WHEREAS, DURING THE UNFORTUNATE TIMES WHEN CHILDREN CANNOT SAFELY REMAIN IN THEIR PRIMARY HOME, COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO OPEN THEIR HEARTS AND HOMES TO FOSTER CARE PROVIDE A VITAL SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY. AND WHEREAS NATIONALLY, ONE IN THREE FOSTER FAMILIES QUIT WITHIN THEIR FIRST YEAR OF FOSTERING AND NEW MEXICO HAS UNIQUE CHALLENGES THAT MAKE THE ZAUB EVEN MORE CHALLENGING. WHEREAS, QUALITY FOSTER CARE RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION IS THE FOUNDATION OF FIXING OUR BROKEN FOSTER CARE SYSTEM AND GETTING CHILDREN OUT OF STATE OFFICES AND INTO CARING HOMES IS IMPORTANT. WHEREAS, THE 2025 LEGISLATIVE SESSION WAS HISTORIC FOR CHILDREN WELFARE IN NEW MEXICO WITH THE CREATION OF THE OFFICE OF THE CHILD ADVOCATE. YAY. A REFORMED LAW TO HELP CHILDREN BORN EXCUSED TO DRUGS, A REVISED CODE, INCREASED STIPENDS FOR FOSTER FAMILIES, AND KINSHIP CARE PROVIDERS. A NEW LAW TO ENSURE THAT YOUTH IN FOSTER CARE WILL ALWAYS RECEIVE THEIR FEDERAL BENEFITS AND EVIDENCE-BASED TOOLS FOR CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES, SERVICE WORKERS, TO HELP FAMILIES IN CRISIS. WHEREAS, MS. NEW MEXICO USA AND HER BROTHER MICHAEL WERE IN FOSTER CARE AS CHILDREN, AND SHE'S MICHAEL'S LEGAL GUARDIAN. SHE'S USING HER PLATFORM TO BRING AWARENESS TO FOSTER CARE, PEOPLE WITH AUTISM AND SUBSTANCE MISUSE. WHEREAS, THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE RECOGNIZES THE IMPORTANCE OF FOSTER FAMILIES, KINSHIP CAREGIVERS AND ADVOCATES THAT WORK TIRELESSLY TO PROVIDE SUBSTITUTE CARE AND LOVE TO ENSURE THAT ALL CHILDREN ARE SUPPORTED AND SUCCESSFUL. BE IT PROCLAIMED THAT THE COUNCIL, THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE, HEREBY JOINS THE NATION IN RECOGNIZING MAY AS NATIONAL FOST R FAMILY APPRECIATION MONTH. IN HONOR OF THE FOSTER PARENTS WHO HELP OUR MOST VULNERABLE CHILDREN TO MOVE BEYOND YOUTH HOUSING. WE MENTIONED MS. NEW MEXICO, SHE WAS SCHEDULED TO BE HERE, BUT SHE HAS COVID. SHE IS AT HOME GETTING BETTER. OTHERWISE SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN HERE TO RECEIVE THIS. MARILYN THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO FOR FOSTER CARE, FAMILIES AND CHILDREN. YOU HAVE BEEN AN ADVOCATE FOR OVER A DOZEN YEARS. WE MADE IT REAL GOOD STRIDES THIS YEAR. >> THANK YOU. I'M THE FOUNDER AND EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF NEW MEXICO FILED FIRST NETWORK. I KNOW MANY OF YOU. THIS IS MY NIECE MARRON, AND MY MOM ANN WHO IS ONE OF THE FOUNDER BOARD MEMBERS. WHERE WAS A FOSTER PARENT IN MY TIME FOSTERING I FOSTERED 39 YOUTH FROM BABIES UPWARD. WE ARE THANKFUL TO CELEBRATE AND RECOGNIZING AND BRINGING AWARENESS TO FOSTER FAMILIES, AND FOSTER CARE AND PART OF OUR COMMUNITY. YOU ALL AS COUNCILORS HAVE DONE SO MUCH AND CONTINUE TO DO SO MUCH. OUR STATE FOSTER CARE SYSTEM IS IN CRISIS AND REMAINS SO. SO, TAKING A MOMENT OF RECOGNITION, APPRECIATION, AND AWARENESS AND EDUCATION ABOUT THE LEGISLATIVE WINS WE HAD THE PAST SESSION IS JUST THE BEGINNING BUT ALSO TO TALK THE FUTURE. I KNOW YOU ARE WORKING ON HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES, FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR PROGRAMS LIKE NEW DAY AND NEW MEXICO CAN FOR KIDS AGING OUT OF CARE. OUR KIDS -- EVERY KID IN NEW MEXICO FACES TRAUMA. OUR KIDS IN FOSTER CARE FACE EVEN MORE. WE APPRECIATE YOUR GIVING THIS MOMENT -- BECAUSE THOSE FAMILIES THAT CARE FOR THEM AND THOSE CHILDREN AND YOUTH IMPACTED BY THE SYSTEM. THANK YOU SO MUCH. [ APPLAUSE ]. JUNE 14th, YOU HAVE SPONSORED THIS EVERY YEAR. WE HAVE OUR ANNUAL FISHING DAY. I KNOW SEVERAL OF YOU COME OUT, IT'S 9 TO 12 AT TINGLY BEACH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY. YOU ARE GRANTING US THE SPACE OF THE TINGLY BEACH, WHICH IS AWESOME BECAUSE THE STATE ACTUALLY STOCKS THE PONDS SO THEY CAN COME OUT AND FISH. THANK YOU TO THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE, STATE OF NEW MEXICO. WE LOVE TO SEE YOU AND ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE HELPING UNTANGLE FISHING POLES FOR THREE HOURS. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. I CAN ATTEST TO THE FACT THAT FISHING DAY IS BRILLIANT BEYOND BRILLIANT. THIS IS THE THIRD YEAR YOU'VE DONE IT. IT HAS GROWN. SHE HAS COMMUNITY SPONSORS TO BUY THE FISHING POLES AND BUCKETS AND WORMS. AND ALL OF THE -- THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS OUT THEREFROM THE ACROSS THE STATE. BUT THE SMILES IT BRINGS TO THESE CHILDREN AND FOR A DAY THEY CAN REMEMBER -- KNOW THAT IT'S ALL ABOUT THEM. AND FAMILIES THAT PARTICIPATE -- IT'S JUST THE BEST DAY. I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO JOIN MARILYN AND HER TEAM JUST TO HELP. WE HAVE FIRE -- AFR GOES OUT. WE EVEN HAVE APD THAT GOES OUT AS WELL. I APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU. WE WANT TO SHAKE YOUR HAND. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU SO MUCH. MOVE TO THE SECOND PRESENTATION. COUNCILOR BACA. COUNCILOR BACA, YOUR PRESENTATION. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. WE HAVE MS. SAYERS, THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD WHO WILL BE PROVIDING FUNDING INFORMATION ABOUT THE ALBUQUERQUE BERNALILLO COUNTY LIBRARY SYSTEM. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: GOOD EVENING. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNSEL. I'M THE QUEEN OF LOW TECH. HOPEFULLY THIS WILL GO FINE. THAT IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE OUR FIRST THING. THERE. THAT'S OUR FIRST THING. TONIGHT, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. I'VE GOT THREE MINUTES TO TELL YOU ABOUT THE STAFFING SYSTEM OF THE LIBRARIES, WHICH DOES OPERATE ON A SHOESTRING. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, IT'S LIKE HAVING A WONDERFUL RESTAURANT AND THE STAFFING WOULD BE ONE CHEF AND ONE WAITER. WHICH, THAT'S ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT. OKAY. THE 19 LIBRARY BRANCHES ARE FUNDED, BUT THEY'RE UNDERFUNDED. AND THE LIBRARY'S BUDGET HAS BASICALLY NOT INCREASED FOR STAFFING FOR MANY YEARS. THE INCREASE THAT YOU SEE WAS DUE TO THE OPENING OF -- IN 2022, OF THE INTERNATIONAL BRANCH. THAT BRANCH IS OPEN 7 DAYS A WEEK, AND INCLUDING TWO NIGHTS. OKAY. THAT SLIDE IS JUST SHOWING THAT IN COMPARISON TO OTHER CITIES, WE HAVE A VERY, PER CAPITA, WE DON'T LOOK GOOD IN COMPARISON TO THOSE. YOU CAN TELL I HAVE NO PRACTICE IN DOING THIS KIND OF THING. LIBRARIES CAN ONLY BE OPENED SAFELY WITH A MINIMUM OF TWO EMPLOYEES. BUT WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE CALL IN SICK, PEOPLE WANT TO LEAVE FOR MEDICAL APPOINTMENTS. PEOPLE SCHEDULE VACATION. SO THE LIBRARY, FOR MANY YEARS, HAS SHUFFLED PEOPLE AROUND IN ORDER TO COVER LIBRARIES WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE A MINIMUM OF TWO PEOPLE TO BE OPEN. I JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT THE EMPLOYEE STAFFING AT WESTGATE AND ALAMOS WHICH IS AT DISTRICT THREE, THAT'S THREE FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT. THE SAN PEDRO LIBRARY IS FIVE FULL-TIME EQUIVALENCE. AND THE JUAN TABO IS SEVEN FULL-TIME EQUIVALENCE. I HAVE ONE MINUTE LEFT. LET'S TALK ABOUT TEMPORARY EMPLOYEES, WHICH BROUGHT OUT DISCUSSION LAST WEEK. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH HAVING TEMPORARY EMPLOYEES, BUT ABOUT A FOURTH OF THE STAFF OF THE LIBRARIES ARE TEMPORARY EMPLOYEES. AND THESE OTHER PEOPLE -- THESE ARE NOT COLLEGE STUDENTS. THESE ARE ADULTS WHO GET A JOB THROUGH THE TEMP AGENCY. THEY HAVE TO BE TRAINED AND LEARN THE SAME THINGS THAT THE REST OF THE LIBRARY STAFF LEARNS SO THEY CAN SERVE AT THE INFORMATION DESK. THEY CAN ONLY WORK FOR TWO YEARS. I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT'S CITY POLICY, BUT IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A VERY LONG TIME. SO, AS SOON AS THEY KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE FURLOUGHED, THEY START LOOKING FOR JOBS. >>COUN. BASSAN: GO AHEAD, IF YOU WANT TO GET A COUPLE KEY POINTS IN. >> AGAIN, THE CITY INVESTS IN THE TRAINING AND PEOPLE LEAVE. THAT'S NOT A GOOD WAY TO HAVE A PERSONNEL SYSTEM, STAFFING SYSTEM. IN CLOSING, THE SIDE EFFECT IS THAT OUR FUND-RAISING PARTNER, WHICH IS THE ALBUQUERQUE LIBRARY FOUNDATION, IT'S HARD FOR THEM TO RAISE MONEY WHEN ALL THEY CAN TELL A POTENTIAL DONOR IS THAT IT'S STATUS QUO. WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING MORE BECAUSE OF OUR LIMITS ON STAFFING. I KNOW ASKING FOR TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN THIS BUDGET SOUNDS PREPOSTEROUS. IT SOUNDS CRAZY. WE WANTED TO LAY OUT THAT IF WE CAN MOVE TOWARDS THE GOAL OF MORE PERMANENT POSITIONS, OVER THE NEXT WHATEVER TIME PERIOD IT WOULD TAKE, THAT IS WHAT THE TWO AND A HALF MILLION REPRESENTS. MORE PERMANENT POSITIONS AND THE $500,000 THAT IS WHAT WE'RE SPENDING ANYWAY ON RECURRING TECHNOLOGY BUDGET. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME DO THIS TONIGHT. I APOLOGIZE THAT I AM NOT THAT GOOD AT THIS KIND OF THING. >>COUN. BASSAN: DON'T APOLOGIZE. YOU DID GREAT. I KNOW IT'S A SHORT TIME FRAME. COUNCILORS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR BACA, FOR LETTING US -- MAKING THIS HAPPEN. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I THINK WE'VE ALL -- AT LEAST I THINK I HAVE, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR ANYONE ELSE, BUT I'VE BEEN HEARING A LOT ABOUT THE LIBRARY AND IT'S SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO KEEP OUR EYE ON WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WILL END THIS AND HAND THIS BACK. >>COUN. BASSAN: OUR FIAL PRESENTATION IS FROM THE ADMINISTRATION WHO WILL PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON PUBLIC RESTROOMS AVAILABLE. DR. SENGEL. IT LOOKS LIKE DIRECTOR SIMON -- >> DIRECTOR SIMON FROM PARKS AND REC IS HERE TO GIVE THE PRESENTATION ON BEHALF OF MANY, MANY DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE RESTROOMS. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR SIMON, FOR BEING THE TEAM PLAYER TONIGHT. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, WE'RE HAPPY TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON A SUBJECT THE COUNCIL HAS REQUESTED, WHICH IS AN UPDATE ON PUBLIC RESTROOM INFRASTRUCTURE. WE'RE CURRENTLY 91 RESTROOMS LOCATIONS ACROSS THE CITY MAINTAINED BY VARIOUS CITY DEPARTMENTS. OF THOSE 91 PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE RESTROOM LOCATIONS, EIGHT OFFER 24-7 ACCESS. YOU CAN SEE THE LIST OF THE 24-7 RESTROOMS AT THE BOTTOM. HALF OF THEM ARE IN CITY PARKS. AND THE OTHERS ARE SCATTERED ACROSS A COUPLE TRANSIT LOCATIONS AND ONE OTHER LOCATION. ALSO, THE CITY'S RECENTLY STOOD UP THIS RESTROOM LOCATER TOOL WHICH IS INTEGRATED INTO THE CITY WEBSITE. IT'S COLLECTED INTO THE 311 SYSTEM. SO, YOU CAN FIND THE LOCATIONS OF PUBLICLY-ACCESSIBLE RESROOMS ON THE WEBSITE USING THIS TOOL. THE VERY LARGE MAP, AND EACH LITTLE ICON IS AN IDENTIFIER FOR A PUBLICLY-ACCESSIBLE RESTROOM. IT HAS INFORMATION, IF YOU CLICK ON THAT ICON IT HAS INFORMATION ON WHERE IT'S LOCATED, THE HOURS IT'S OPENED, AND THE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON CONDITIONS OR LEAVE A SUGGEST OR REQUEST FOR SERVICE. THOSE GENERATE IMMEDIATE TICKETS IF THERE'S A SERVICE REQUEST. I THINK THAT IS NOW LIVE ON THE CITY WEBSITE. THE GOOD NEWS IS THERE'S SOME NEW RESTROOMS ON THE WAY. WE HAVE THREE NEW STYLE RESTROOMS THAT ARE IN VARIOUS STAGES OF DESIGN AND PROCESS. THEY'RE ALL GOING TO OFFER 24-7 ACCESS WHEN THEY BECOME OPERATIONAL EITHER LATER THIS YEAR OR 2026. YOU CAN SEE THE LOCATIONS WHO HAVE BEEN SELECTED. TWO IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, ONE IN WEST CENTRAL. THOSE ARE HIGH-VOLUME AREAS AND I THINK THEY'VE BEEN DEVELOPED THROUGH CONJUNCTION WITH THE COMMUNITY COUNCIL IN ASSESSMENT OF WHERE THOSE THREE WOULD HELP. OUR DEPARTMENT IS ALSO ABOUT TO DROP TWO MORE VAULT RESTROOMS INTO THE VISTA DEL NORTE PARK. THOSE ARE HELD UP BY A MINOR PERMITTING STAFF. WE'RE SHET TO PUT THOSE IN SHORTLY. ONCE THOSE FACILITIES HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED, THE TOTAL WILL GO UP TO 95. YOU CAN SEE THE BREAKDOWN BY THE DEPARTMENT. I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT THERE WAS SOME -- SOME GREAT NEWS COMING OUT OF DISTRICT SIX IN THAT COUNCILOR ROGERS BUDGETING PROCESS RESULTED IN AN OUTCOME OF THREE MORE PORTLAND NEW STYLE RESTROOMS GOING IN IN DISTRICT SIX. OUR NUMBERS WILL BE UPDATED BY THOSE. WITH THAT, I STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS. IF I CAN'T ANSWER THEM, I BELIEVE WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OTHER DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS THAT WOULD TAKE SOMETHING MORE IN THEIR LANE. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: JUST ONE. REAL QUICKLY, UNSER AND CENTRAL, WHERE AT? >> MADAM CHAIR, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, I BELIEVE THAT LOCATION IS GOING TO BE IN THE NUEVO ATRISCO AREA. THE SPECIFIC LOCATION -- I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEEN SETTLED, BUT WE HAVE A TRANSIT LOCATION OUT THERE AS WELL. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: CAN YOU HAVE SOMEBODY MEET WITH ME BEFORE IT GETS SET UP TO MAKE SURE? >> ABSOLUTELY. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. CAN WE GO BACK TO THE LIST OF THE ONES OPENED 24-7? THE FIRST ONE ON THAT LIST IS OLD TOWN. IF WE CAN GET IT BACK UP. ONE MORE. >> SORRY. LET ME GO BACKWARD. THERE WE GO. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: IT SAYS RESTROOM LOCATIONS AVAILABLE 24-7. IT LISTS OLD TOWN. IF YOU GO TO THE WEBSITE UNDER OLD TOWN IT SAYS 7 DAYS PER WEEK, 6 A.M. TO 8 P.M. WHICH IS IT? >> MADAM CHAIR, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, THERE ARE TWO PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE RESTROOMS IN OLD TOWN. OBVIOUSLY, I'M NOT CLICKING ON THE MAP RIGHT NOW. WE ALSO HAVE A RESTROOM AT THE PLAZA DON LUIZ LOCATION WHICH IS OPENED ON THOSE HOURS. THE OLD TOWN LOO IS 24. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THAT'S NOT ON THE LIST THAT'S ON THE WEBSITE. I'M LOOKING AT THE RESTROOM LOCATION TABLE. IT'S WHAT YOU GET LINKED TO WHEN YOU CLICK ON IT FROM THE PRESS RELEASE SENT OUT. ON THAT LIST, THERE ARE NOT EIGHT LOCATIONS AVAILABLE 24-7. ON THAT LIST, THERE ARE THREE. TWO OF THEM SAY COMING SOON. ON THAT LIST, IT'S ON THE WEBSITE, BACK TO WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING FOR TWO YEARS, THERE'S ONE BATHROOM IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE AVAILABLE 24-7, 365 DAYS A YEAR. I'M VERY CONCERNED IF WE'RE TELLING THE PUBLIC THERE'S EIGHT LOCATIONS, YET THEY'RE NOT SHOWING UP ON THE TABLE THAT'S ON THE LIST YOU GET TO FROM THE PRESS RELEASE. I WOULD JUST LOVE TO GET CLARITY ON THIS. I'VE BEEN ASKING THIS QUESTION OVER AND OVER AGAIN. IF THERE'S ANOTHER ONE IN OLD TOWN WHY ISN'T ON THE LIST? THE ONE ON HERE SAYS IT'S AVAILABLE 7 DAYS A WEEK FROM 8 A.M. TO 8 P.M. I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO THINK THERE ARE MORE BATHROOMS THAN THERE ARE. THE ONE I'M AWARE OF, THE ONE I'VE BEEN TO AND I'VE BEEN TO MANY LOOKING, THE ONE AVAILABLE 24-7, 265 IS THE ONE IN UPTOWN. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL ONES, BUT I DON'T SEE THEM ON THE LIST. I WOULD LOVE TO GET CLARITY ON THOSE AND THE ONES SAYING COMING SOON, WHO IS MAINTAINING THEM AND WHO IS PAYING FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THOSE COMING SOON 24-7? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, I THINK IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ALIGNED WITH THE WEBSITE WE CAN CORRECT THAT RIGHT AWAY. I BELIEVE THE REALITY IS ON THE GROUND WE HAVE TWO LOCATIONS IN OLD TOWN. ONE OF WHICH IS 24-7. WE NEED TO CORRECT THAT. AND WITH RESPECT TO THE COST OF MAINTAINING FUTURE RESTROOMS, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. WE CAN HAVE THE CFO ADDRESS THAT. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THAT WOULD BE GREAT. I DID SUBMIT IN ADVANCE. >> COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, COUNCILOR BASSAN, FOR THE THREE WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT COMING ONLINE THIS YEAR, WE EXPECT THEM TO COME ONLINE IN FISCAL YEAR 2026. THOSE WILL BE MANAGED BY A COMBINATION OF GSD AND TRANSIT WITH COME HELP FROM SOLID WASTE THROUGH THE AMBASSADOR PROGRAM. WE HAVE CAPACITY NOW WITH THE FOLKS IN TRANSIT THAT ARE MAINTAINING OUR CELTERS AND OUR UPTOWN BATHROOM THAT WE WILL ADD TO THEIR SCHEDULE AND ALSO SUPPLEMENT WITH OUR AMBASSADORS AND OUR CIVIC PLAZA ONE, GSD WILL TAKE THAT ON. THAT'S WITHIN -- IT'S CLOSE TO THE BUILDING. IT'S WITHIN THE CAPACITY AND BUDGET OF THEIR FOLKS TO MAINTAIN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THE THE ADMINISTRATION'S PROPOSED BUDGET SENT DOWN TO THIS BODY WILL PAY FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP OF ALL OF THE 24-7 COMING SOON BATHROOMS THAT ARE ON THE LIST? >> COUNCILOR BASSAN, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, THAT IS A YES. AS WE GO INTO ADDITIONAL BATHROOMS WE'LL HAVE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT FUNDING. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I HAVE A CLARIFICATION ISSUE. HOW MANY WERE PUBLIC RESTROOMS THAT ARE AVAILABLE? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, I BELIEVE WE'VE COUNTED 91. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: I'M CONFUSED BECAUSE I ASKED THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE MAYOR SAID IT WAS 126. IS IT 126 OR 91? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, WHEN WE GAVE YOU THE 126, WE HAVE MANY MORE RESROOMS AND WE WERE COUNTING RESTROOMS THAT MIGHT BE BEHIND AN ACCESS POINT WHETHER YOU'RE PAYING FOR ACCESS TO THE ZOO OR YOU HAPPEN TO BE IN A CHILD CARE SETTING OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE. WE EXTRACTED ANYONE THAT MIGHT BE RESTRICTED. THE 126 IS ALL OF THE COMMUNITY-FOCUSED SITES. WE REALIZED WE DIDN'T WANT TO OVERSTATE SOMETHING WITH YOU CAN'T USE THE RESTROOM UNLESS YOU PAID THE ENTRANCE. WE WENT DOWN ON AVAILABLE RESTROOMS OUT ADMISSION OR BARRIER ACCESS. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: SO, 91 IS THE TRUE PUBLIC FREE RESTROOMS? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, AT THIS VERY MOMENT IN TIME YES. WHILE WE WAIT AND PLAN FOR 95 IN 2026 BECAUSE WE'RE BRINGING ADDITIONAL ONES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: SO THE MAYOR WAS MISINFORMED? PERFECT. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THANK YOU TO DMD, I KNOW THEY'RE WORKING ON SOME LOOs. I KNOW THEIR FIRST MEETING WAS LAST SUMMER. IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO SPEED THAT UP FOR SOMETHING WE'VE NEEDED BEFORE THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC. THE 24-7 LIST, IT'S NOT HARD TO LOOK AT THAT AND REALIZE THAT'S THE PART OF THE CITY WHERE YOU DON'T REALLY NEED 24-7 REAL ESTATE -- RESTROOMS. HOW MANY USE THEM AT MIDNIGHT AT NORTH DOMINGO PARK? NOT TO BASH ON THAT. WHEN I LOOK AT THE LIST OF 91, SOME OF THOSE AREN'T OPEN MOST OF THE TIME. IN FACT THE ONE AT BARELAS PARK HASN'T BEEN OPENED FOR YEARS. LITERALLY. IT'S A LITTLE MISLEADING TO PLACE 91 RESTROOMS THAT AREN'T ACCESSIBLE MOST OF THE TIME. I JUST WANT TO GET THAT OUT THERE. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I JUST WANT TO START WITH POSITIVE. FROM GOING FROM WHERE WE HAD NO LIST TO WE HAVE A LIST IS A GOOD THING. THIS IS PROGRESS. IT MAKES ME FEEL LIKE I'VE BEEN SAN FRANCISCO'S LIST AND IT IS REALLY COOL TO SEE ONE LIKE THAT. I JUST CAN'T HELP BUT SEE HOW MANY ARE CURRENTLY CLOSED BY LOOKING AT THE MAP. WE KNOW THAT AS A COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE WORK TO DO ON PUBLIC RESTROOMS. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT. I'M EXCITED FOR PORTLAND LOOS TO COME TO DISTRICT SIX. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU FOR TAKING OUR QUESTIONS AND TAKING ACTION AND FOLKS CAN TECHNICALLY GO ON HERE AND FIND A PLACE TO GO TO THE LOO. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COUNCILORS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DIRECTOR. >> THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOVING TO THE JOURNAL. I PROVE APPROVAL OF THE APRIL 21st JOURNAL. SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT. ANY DISCUSSION? [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: [ INAUDIBLE ]. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. BASSAN: COMMUNICATIONS AND INTRODUCTIONS. CHANGES TO THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION? COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR THE PURPOSE OF PLACING OC-36 ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA FOR ACTION. OC-36 IS APPROVING AND AUTHORIZING THE FILING OF A GRANT APPLICATION TO THE NEW MEXICO TOURISM DEPARTMENT ROUTE 66 CENTENNIAL GRANT PROGRAM. THIS IS SOMETHING DISTRICT SIX IS APPLYING FOR, SPECIFICALLY FOR OUR HIGHLAND PROPERTY IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM SO WE CAN OFFER SOME UPDATES AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND THE GRANT APPLICATION IS DUE TONIGHT AT MIDNIGHT. SO, THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE IMMEDIATE ACTION AND DOING IT QUICKLY. BECAUSE I MADE A DECISION TO TRY TO ADVOCATE FOR THIS FOR MY DISTRICT BECAUSE IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM AND I'D LOVE TO HAVE IT. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. WE'LL DISCUSS THE BILL LATER ON TONIGHT. I DON'T THINK WE NEED A SECOND ON THIS. DO WE? OH, COUNCILOR GROUT SAID YES. ANY DISCUSSION, COUNCILORS? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. KEEP IN MIND THIS IS JUST ON IMMEDIATE ACTION. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES, MADAM PRESIDENT. JUST A COUPLE A MONTHS AGO WE DID A CHANGE IN RULES SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TO GET PERMISSION BEFORE APPLICATIONS WERE SUBMITTED FOR GRANT. I'M WONDERING WHY THIS DOESN'T FALL UNDER THAT? >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT, JUST TO STRENGTHEN THE APPLICATION ADDING A MATCH. BECAUSE OUR LEGISLATION SAYS IF THERE'S A MATCH IT MUST COME TO US. THAT'S WHY. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THE MOTION IS FOR THE RULE SUSPENSION TO HEAR OC-36. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. BASSAN: O-84. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR INTRODUCING O84 AND REFERRING IT TO THE FINANCE GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS COMMITTEE. AMENDING SECTIONS 92-44 AND 92-37 OF THE HEART ORDINANCE RELATED TO THE SALE OR GIFTING OF ANIMALS ON PUBLIC PROPERTY. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, ANY OTHER CHANGES TO THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION? SEEING NONE. I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: SECOND. >>COUN. BASSAN: SECOND BY COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. BASSAN: BEFORE MOVING TO REPORTS OF COMMITTEES. COUNCILORS, I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A KIND ENCOURAGING NOTE THAT ON MAY 19th WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF LEGISLATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR INCLUDING THE BUDGET. SO, BE PREPARED FOR THAT AND MAYBE IF YOU CAN DEFER SOMETHING OR SEND IT TO COMMITTEE -- PONDER THAT IN YOUR DREAMS TOMORROW NIGHT, BUT NOT TONIGHT. MOVING TO REPORTS OF COMMITTEES. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THE LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE MET ON WEDNESDAY APRIL 30th AND REPORTS THE FOLLOWING ITEM. EC-367 RECEIPT BE NOTED. IN THE MATTER OF EC-381 IT BE CONFIRMED. I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE COMMITTEE REPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, COUNCILORS? MADAM CLERK. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, WE ARE GOING TO MOVE TO DEFERRALS AND WITHDRAWALS. ANY DEFERRALS OR WITHDRAWALS? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE CONSENT AGENDA? COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT, I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM G, EC-342 OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA. EC-342 IS THE MAYOR'S RECOMMENDATION FOR -- DATABASE. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY OTHER COLLEGES TO THE CONSENT AGENDA? FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS ON TONIGHT'S CONSENT AGENDA WHO ARE BEING APPOINTED TO SERVE ON A BOARD OR COMMISSION, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE. I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. SECOND BY COUNCILOR ROGERS. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. BASSAN: IF ANYONE CAN USE THEIR MICROPHONES. PEOPLE ON TV CAN'T HEAR. FOR EVERYONE AND EVERYONE ELSE. COUNCILOR GROUT, EC-342. >>COUN. GROUT: 342 IS A PROGRAM FOR A DATABASE TO HELP. I THINK IT'S WONDERFUL. IT SOUNDS LIKE A WONDERFUL PROGRAM. AND -- AND AWARD. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT IT. MADAM CAO, CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT THE PATH VOUCHER DATABASE CAN PULL DATA FROM OTHER DATABASES? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, ALAN BRADEN FROM OUR -- DEPUTY DIRECTOR FROM HEALTH HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS IS INTIMATELY AWARE OF ALL THESE. WE'LL HAVE HER ANSWER ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS. >> GOOD EVENING. MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, YES, I CAN CONFIRM THEY CAN PULL INFORMATION FROM OTHER DATABASES. IN FACT, WHEN WE INTERVIEWED REAL TIME SOLUTIONS WE SPECIFICALLY ASKED ABOUT A NUMBER OF DATABASES. EACH OF THOSE INTEGRATIONS WILL HAVE AN ADDITIONAL POT BUILT INTO THE INITIAL -- GIVE YOU MORE INFORMATION THAN YOU NEED. PROBABLY A BIT OF AN EXPLANATION. AT THE FGO MEETING THE FINANCE AND GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE MEETING WE TALKED ABOUT INTEGRATION. AND THE FIRST INTEGRATION INCLUDED IN THE PRICE IS WITH PEOPLE SOFT. YES, IT CAN PULL OUT OF OTHER DATABASES AT ADDITIONAL COST. WE HAVE PRIORITIZED PEOPLE SOFT. >>COUN. GROUT: VERY GOOD. I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT. WHERE WILL THE PATH VOUCHER DATABASE BE PULLING ITS DATA FROM IN ADDITION TO PEOPLE SOFT, IS THERE A PUBLIC-FACING COMPONENT? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, PRIMARILY THE INFORMATION THAT WE'LL BE PULLING FROM IS INFORMATION INPUTTED INTO THE DATA BASE FROM OUR PAST PROVIDERS. THAT'S THE PRIMARY SOURCE DATA AND THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC-FACING DASHBOARD THAT INCLUDES KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS AND OTHER METRICS SUCH AS DEMOGRAPHICS, LEVEL OF CARE SUBSTANCE USE WE'RE PROVIDING, AND VOUCHER FUNDING DATA. >>COUN. GROUT: VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THOSE QUESTION. I APPRECIATE IT. I'D LIKE TO MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF EC-342. SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANNOUNCEMENTS. COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THERE WILL BE AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL LEGISLATIVE RELATIONS COMMITTEE MEETING ON WEDNESDAY, MAY 7th AT 3 P.M. VIA ZOOM VIDEO CONFERENCE. THERE WILL BE A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING ON THURSDAY, MAY 8th AND THE 15th AT 5 P.M. IN THE VINCENT E. GRIEGO CHAMBERS BASEMENT LEVEL OF THE ALBUQUERQUE GOVERNMENT CENTER. THESE WILL BE HYBRID MEETINGS. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THERE WILL BE A FINANCE AND GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS COMMITTEE MEETING ON MONDAY, MAY 12th AT 5 P.M. IN THE VINCENT E. GRIEGO CHAMBERS BASEMENT LEVEL OF THE ALBUQUERQUE GOVERNMENT CENTER. THIS WILL BE A HYBRID MEETING. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: MADAM PRESIDENT, THERE WILL BE A LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE MEETING ON WEDNESDAY MAY 14th AT 5 P.M. IN THE VINCENT E. GRIEGO CHAMBERS. IT WILL BE A HYBRID MEETING. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU SO MUCH. MOVING TO FINANCIAL INSTRUMENTS. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: MADAM PRESIDENT, O-76 IS AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE AND SALE OF CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS IN THREE SERIES IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED -- CONSISTING OF $59 MILLION GENERAL PURPOSE GENERAL OBLIGATION FUNDS, SERIES 2025A, $5.3 MILLION GENERAL BONDS, 2025B, AND $23 MILLION SHORT-TERM BONDS. AUTHORIZED AN ELECTION THE CITY HELD ON NOVEMBER 7, 2023 FOR PROJECTS RELATED TO PUBLIC SAFETY, CENTERS, COMMUNITY ENHANCEMENT, ENERGY AND WATER CONSERVATION LIBRARY STEWERS STREETS, AND TRANSPORTATION, PROVIDING FOR THE LEVY AND COLLECTION OF TAX FOR THE PAYMENT OF THE SERIES 2025 BONDS APPROVING THE DELEGATION OF AUTHORITY TO MAKE CERTAIN DETERMINATIONS REGARDING THE SALE OF THE BONDS PURSUANT TO THE SUPPLEMENTAL PUBLIC SECURITY TO THE FORMS PURCHASE AND EXECUTION OF OTHER PROVISIONS AND CONCERNING THE SERIES 2025 BONDS AUTHORIZING THE SALE OF THE SERIES 2025C BONDS FOR THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO IN CONNECTION WITH THE 2025 BONDS AND THE PAYMENT THEREOF AND TAKE IN CONNECTION THEREWITH. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. GROUT: SECOND. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION AND SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, DO YOU WANT TO MOVE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE? >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I'LL MOVE THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE THAT IS ON THE iPADS AND I'LL LET THE BOND COUNSEL EXPLAIN IT. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION TO PASS THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE. SECOND FROM COUNCILOR GROUT. MR. MEREHEAD. YOU CAME DOWN RAPIDLY. I'M ASSUMING THIS IS GOING TO BE THE SAME DETAILS AND CLARIFYING THE EXACT NUMBERS? >> YES. MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, THAT'S CORRECT. WITH ONE SLIGHT MORE SUBSTANTIVE REVISION. HISTORICALLY, THE CITY SOLD GO BONDS THROUGH COMPETITIVE SALE OR INVESTORS BID ON THEM IN AN OPEN AUCTION. THIS YEAR, THE FINANCIAL ADVISOR TO THE CITY RECOMMENDED THAT IT BE A NEGOTIATED SALE WITH AN UNDERWRITER THAT AGREES TO PURCHASE THE BOND. THAT'S DRIVEN BY MARKET INSTABILITY, THIS PROVIDES IT BETTER FOR THE CITY RATHER THAN SUBJECTING IT TO AN OPEN AUCTION. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE? ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, MADAM CLERK. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, WE'RE BACK ON THE BILL, AS SUBSTITUTED. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? I DON'T THINK SO. MAKING SURE. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, COUNCILORS? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN TO CLOSE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: ALL RIGHT, COUNCILORS. WE'RE ON THE BILL, O-76 AS SUBSTITUTED. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. BASSAN: WE'RE ON FINAL ACTIONS. COUNCILOR LEWIS, R-137. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. R-137 IS APPROVING THE APPOINTMENT OF DIRECTORS TO FILL VACANCIES ON THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE BOLDERS PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT CAUSED BY THE RESIGNATION OF BOARD MEMBERS PURSUANT TO THE ACT AND CITY ORDINANCE ENACTMENT AND REPEALING ACTIONS INCONSISTENT WITH THIS RESOLUTION. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION AND SECOND FROM COUNCILOR ROGERS. NOBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. COUNCILOR LEWIS TO OPEN. >>COUN. LEWIS: I JUST I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR LEWIS, DO YOU WANT TO MOVE FLOOR AMENDMENT? >>COUN. LEWIS: I DO. I MOVE FLOOR AMENDMENT. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: ALL RIGHT. FOR THE RECORD, THIS IS ON PAGE ONE, LINE 23, ROBERT MESSENGER, CHRIS SANCHEZ, JULIA KOULLIDON AND DONNA SANDOVAL. THERE'S A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR GROUT. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, THANK YOU FOR THE STAFF FOR ADDING THAT. IT WAS A CORRECTION WE NEED TO BE MADE WE THOUGHT WE COULD DO THAT RESOLUTION TONIGHT. >>COUN. BASSAN: PRODUCT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOVING TO AGENDA ITEM I, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. R-140. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: APPROVING THE APPOINTMENT OF DIRECT DOOR FILL VACANCIES OF THE GOVERNING BOARD OF THE PETROGLYPHS DISTRICT CAUSED BY THE RESIGNATION PURSUEN TO THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT ACT, NMSA19785-1-27. 2013 AS AMENDED, AND CITY BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION, AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR GROUT. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, DO YOU WANT TO MOVE YOUR AMENDMENT? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. AMENDMENT ON PAGE ONE, LINE 23 WILL BE AMENDED AS FOLLOWS. ROBERT MESSENGER MESSENGER AND MESSENGER, DONNA SANDOVAL AND AMENDED TO SAY AND JENNIFER TURNER. THIS ADD JENNIFER TURNER AS MEMBER OF THE DISTRICT REPLACING PAT MONTOYA. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. BASSAN: WE'RE BACK ON THE BILL AS AMENDED. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR SANCHEZ TO CLOSE. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM CLERK. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU, COUNCILORS. IF ONLY THE REST OF THE NIGHT IS GOING TO GO THIS SMOOTHLY. WE'RE MOVING TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN PROVIDE LIVE PUBLIC COMMENT TO THE COUNCIL IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY IF THEY SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT PERTHE INSTRUCTIONS PUBLISHED AN THE AGENDA. EACH PARTICIPANT WILL HAVE TWO MINUTES TO PRESENT THIS EVENING COMMENTS ARE TO BE ADDRESSED TO THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT AND ANY DISRUPTIVE CONDUCT WILL RESULT IN REMOVAL FROM THE MEETING. THERE'S A TWO-MINUTE TIME LIMIT AND THE BELL WILL BRING TO INDICATE YOUR TIME SUP. PLEASE CALL OUR FIRST SPEAKER. I'M SORRY. IF YOUR NAME IS CALLED AND YOU'RE ON DECK, START WORKING YOUR WAY DOWN TO THE FRONT ROW. THAT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. I KIND OF FELT LIKE A FLIGHT ATTENDANT. >> OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS MAUREEN FOLLOWED BY LISA. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILORS. I SERVE AS THE BOARD CHAIR OF THE NEW MEXICO FILL ARMONIC. I'M SPEAKING IN STRONG SUPPORT OF COUNCILOR BACA'S PROPOSAL O-25-27 FOR A MODEST .75 GROSS RECEIPTS TAX TO FUND VITAL QUALITY OF LIFE PROJECTS ACROSS THE CITY. ESPECIALLY THE INVESTMENT OF A NEW PERFORMING ARTS CENTER. FOR NEARLY 60 YEARS ALBUQUERQUE HAS NOT BUILT A NEW PERFORMING ARTS VENUE. OUR CULTURAL INSTITUTIONS INCLUDING THE NEW MEXICO PHILHARMONIC ARE OUTGROWING THE SPACES AVAILABLE AND POPE JOY HALL CANNOT MEET THE COMMUNITY'S GROWING DEMAND. THIS PROPOSED TAX IS SMALL, JUST A FEW DOLLARS A MONTH FOR THE AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD, BUT THE RETURN IS ENORMOUS. IT'S THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ALBUQUERQUE TO INVEST IN ITSELF FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION, CULTURAL ENHANCEMENTS, AND TO BECOME THE KIND OF CITY WHERE THE WORKFORCE OF NOW AND THE FUTURE WANTS TO LIVE. THE FACILITIES CREATED BY THESE INVESTMENTS WON'T JUST SERVE ARTIST OR JUST THE DISTRICTS THEY'RE BILL, THEY'LL SERVE FAMILIES CHILDREN SCHOOLS AND SMALL BUSINESSES ACROSS OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY. THEY ENRICH LIVES AND ATTRACT PEOPLE TO LIVE, WORK, AND STAY IN ALBUQUERQUE. I URGE YOU TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE FORWARD-LOOKING INITIATIVE. LET'S GIVE YOUR COMMUNITY THE TOOLS TO THRIVE AND THE PLACES TO DREAM BIGGER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> LISA FOLLOWED BY JAMES. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I RESIDE IN DISTRICT THREE. I MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY FOR THREE PURPOSES. FIRST IN SUPPORT OF -- BOOKS. THERE'S NOWHERE IN THIS CITY FOR PEOPLE TO GO, THE SHELTERS ARE GROSS AND FULL. FOSTER HOMES ARE FULL. GROUP HOMES ARE FULL. YOUTH SHELTERS ARE FULL. A PRIVATE BUSINESS HELPING CITY WITH THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY SHOULD BE SUPPORTED AND HELPED NOT TARGETED AND CRIMINALIZED. I WENT TO QUIRKY BOOKS FOR THE FIRST TIME WITH THE YOUNG PERSON WHO LOVES TO READ WHO HAS BEEN ON THE STREETS. WE LEFT WITH $100 WORTH OF BOOKS. I PARKED IN THAT PARKING LOT WHERE ALL THE TENTS WERE. I WAS NOT APPROACHED. WHERE WAS NOT BUGGED. I FELT SAFE AND SO DID THE YOUNG PERSON WITH ME. SECONDLY, THE NATIONAL GUARD ARE ON OUR STREETS. WHY DID MAYOR KELLER ASK FOR THE NATIONAL GUARD? DOES HE NOT TRUST OUR APD OFFICERS? MEDINA, THE CHIEF, HE JOINED THE REQUEST. HE SENT THE MESSAGE THAT APD CANNOT BE TRUSTED. US IN THE PUBLIC ARE WE NOT SUPPOSED TO TRUST OUR POLICE OFFICERS BECAUSE OUR CHIEF OF LEASE DOESN'T AND OUR MAYOR DOES NOT. WHICH IS REASON 23 WHY I VOTE NO AGAINST KELLER BECAUSE HE BROUGHT IN MURDER MEDINA. SECOND COMMENT, NOT EVERYBODY LIVING ON THE STREETS HAS A CRIMINAL LIFE OR CRIMINAL ELEMENT. THERE ARE KIDS ON OUR STREET AND IF I CAN ECHO WHAT MY FRIEND MARILYN SAID, WE NEED PLACES FOR THESE KIDS. I WOULD VERY MUCH ENCOURAGE YOUR CITY TO RETHINK THE MOVING EVERYBODY TWO HOURS BUSINESS BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT LED TO THE SITUATION WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO STAY, I HAVE A COUCH. GUESS WHAT, THAT COUCH WAS AT A PEDO'S HOUSE. WE'RE MOVING PEOPLE AROUND AND IT'S CAUSING PROBLEMS. ACS NEEDS FUNDING. >> JAMES FOLLOWED BY MARSELYN. >> GOOD EVENING. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOUSING VOUCHERS TONIGHT. $8 MILLION PLUS 596 HOUSING VOUCHERS. THE FAIR MARKET RATE IS 1,087 PER UNITS THAT INCLUDES UTILITIES IN 2025. THIS IS THE MAX AMOUNT A LANDLORD CAN CHARGE. THE IDEA THERE'S A 70-30 SPLIT WITH THE PROVIDER IS ABSURD. THE PROVIDERS ACTUALLY OPERATE THEIR HOUSING VOUCHERM PROGRAM WITH A LOSS. WITH EXPECTATION TO MAKE IT UP WITH WRAP AROUND SERVICES AND MEDICAID BILLING. IS THERE A WAITING LIST? YES. IT'S IN THE THOUSANDS. HOWEVER, IT'S INCORRECT TO BELIEVE THIS PROGRAMS ONLY HELP 596 HOUSEHOLDS. THE LIST HAS CHURNED CONSTANTLY. ONE ESTIMATE I WOULD SAY IS ABOUT 2,000 PEOPLE A YEAR HELPED WITH THOSE 596 VOUCHERS. THE BIGGEST WAY THAT THE LIST IS CHURNED AN ACTUALLY BY MOVING PEOPLE FROM THE CITY LIST TO THE SECTION 8 LIST. SOMETIMES HUD WILL HAVE A LOTTERY JUST FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY ON PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING VOUCHERS. THEY'LL OPEN UP A BUCKET OF 75 VOUCHERS AND IT'S ONLY FOR PEOPLE ALREADY ON THE CITY VOUCHER. THAT CREATES 75 OPENINGS FOR THE CITY VOUCHERS. I WAS SHOCKED THAT HHH DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THAT CHURN IN THE MEETING OF THE WHOLE. THE SECTION 8 WAIT LIST USED AS A LOTTERY SYSTEM AND THAT HELPS CHURN THE LIST. I CHERISH THE ACS FOLKS AS WELL. I LOVE ME SOME WALTER AS WELL. COUNCILOR LEWIS MADE A GREAT POINT ABOUT HOW THE SCOPE HAS CHANGED AT ACS. THEY HAVE NO CASE MANAGEMENT APRATTING. NO CLIENT WHO QUALIFIES FOR ABQ HOUSING VOUCHER CAN COMPLETE THE APPLICATION PROCESS AND MAINTAIN STABLE HOUSING WITHOUT WRAPAROUND SERVICES. IF THEY COULD THEY WOULDN'T QUALIFY FOR THE HOUSING VOUCHERS. IT'S THE ULTIMATE CATCH 22. I THANK COUNCILOR BACA AND COUNCILOR GROUT FOR HELPING ME WITH THE REFERENCE LETTER. WE ALSO GOT ONE FROM THE MAYOR. I'M REALLY TOUCHED. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> MARSLEYN FOLLOWED BY STEVEN. >> HI. I WANT TO START BY TALKING ABOUT THE NEW BUDGET THAT HAS BEEN ANNOUNCED AND THE LARGE INCREASE IN FUNDING FOR A POLICE DEPARTMENT WHICH CAN BARELY PASS CONSENT DECREE WHILE DOUBLING THE MURDER RATE HAS HAD MULTIPLE SHOOTINGS THIS YEAR OF UNARMED FOLKS JUST HAVING A MENTAL CRISIS. I'D ALSO LIKE TO SHARE SOME PERSONAL NOTES. THIS SAME POLICE DEPARTMENT IS SPENDING ITS TIME CHASING DOWN WARRANTS FOR PEOPLE FOR TRESPASSING. WHICH, FOR LAYMAN'S TERMS, BEING HOMELESS IN PUBLIC. THEY'RE CHASING DOWN PEOPLE. THEY'RE SPENDING TIME TO PROCESS PEOPLE. THEY'RE SPENDING TIME TO FINE PEOPLE WHO -- WHAT ARE WE FINING THEM FOR? HOW IS THAT GOING TO HELP THEM? ARE THEY GOING TO MAGICALLY GET THEM A HOUSE BECAUSE WE FINE THEM AN EXTRA $100 BECAUSE WE PUT THEM THROUGH THE SYSTEM AGAIN? IS THAT GOING TO MAGICALLY MAKE THEM BETTER? WE'RE NOT MAKING THINGS BETTER FOR PEOPLE. WE'RE TEARING PEOPLE DOWN. THIS IS RIDICULOUS. THESE LAWS THAT WE PASSED, THESE ORDINANCES WE PASSED, WHAT THE HELL ARE WE DOING? THESE ARE OUR PEOPLE. AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE THEIR LIVES BETTER BY KICKING THEM WHILE THEY'RE DOWN. TO SHARE A PERSONAL NOTE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HELP THEM WHEN APD IS SENDING FOUR CARS DOWN TRUMBULL IN THE MIDDLE OF A RAINSTORM AND HAILSTORM TO TELL PEOPLE THEY NEED TO GET OUT OF THEIR TENS AND LEAVE. YOU'RE GENOCIDING PEOPLE BY PUSHING PEOPLE INTO THE COLD. IN THE MIDDLE OF A RAINSTORM. IN THE MIDDLE OF A HAILSTORM. AND WE'RE USING RESOURCES. WE'RE SENDING FOUR POLICE OFFICERS TO DO THIS. WE'RE SENDING PEOPLE TO GO FUCK SOMEBODY'S DAY UP. THIS IS INSANE. WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE? THIS IS CRUELTY AND IT'S FUCKIN CRAZY. >> DAVID FOLLOWED BY ANAMI. >> GOOD EVENING, I SERVE AS THE PERSON OF THE NEW MEXICO PHILHARMONIC FOUNDATION. AND IN THAT CAPT AND AS A LIFE-LONG ALBUQUERQUE RESIDENT, I WANT TO URGE YOU TO SUPPORT COUNCILOR BACA'S BILL, O-25-77 TO CREATE A QUALITY OF LIFE ENHANCEMENT FUND. THAT WILL CREATE A NEW PERFORMANCE ARTS CENTER FOR US HERE IN ALBUQUERQUE AND FOR THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO. POPE JOY HALL WAS BUILT WHEN I WAS 19 YEARS OLD FOLLOWED BY THE DESTRUCTION OF THE ALBUQUERQUE CIVIC AUDITORIUM. WE HAVE NOT HAD A NEW PERFORMING ARTS CENTER IN ALBUQUERQUE IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME. COMPETING PRIORITIES HAVE LIMITED ACCESS, LEAVING OUR ARTISTS AND OUR AUDIENCES WITHOUT A SUITABLE VENUE. MEANWHILE, CITIES LIKE PHOENIX, DENVER, EL PASO, SALT LAKE CITY ASK AUSTIN HAVE SURGED AHEAD INVESTING IN STATE OF THE ART PERFORMING ARTS CENTERS. I THINK IT'S TIME THAT ALBUQUERQUE ACTS BY INVESTING IN A NEW PERFORMING ARTS CENTER WE CAN PRESERVE OUR CULTURE, SUPPORT OUR ARTISTS, AND ENHANCE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS. THANK YOU. >> ANAMI FOLLOWED BY LEX. >> HI, JUST TO CONTINUE WHAT WAS SAID BY MARSELYN. THE ENCAMPMENT BAN YOU PASSED THAT HAS RESULTED IN PEOPLE'S DEATHS ALSO HAD OTHER UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES YOU WERE ALL WARNED ABOUT PRIOR TO PASSING IT. THAT BEING PUSHING FOLKS INTO RESIDENTIAL AREAS. I LIVE IN DISTRICT NINE IN A RATHER QUIET PART OF TOWN. AND I SAW A FOIL ON THE GROUND FOR THE FIRST TIME LAST WEEK AND I'VE SEEN THREE SINCE. I AM A PROFESSIONAL DRUG PARAPHERNALIAL PICKER UPPER. I'M NERVOUS ABOUT THE -- IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M NERVOUS OF WHAT THE REACTION IS GOING TO BE FROM FOLKS WHO MIGHT NOT KNOW THE INTRICACIES OF SUBSTANCE ABUSE DISORDER. AS A PUBLIC SERVICE, IF ANYONE SEES DRUG PARAPHERNALIA AND THEY DON'T WANT TO PICK IT UP, YOU CALL ME. IF YOU DO DECIDE TO PICK IT UP, I REALLY RECOMMEND WEARING GLOVES AND USING GRABBERS AND PUTTING IT IN A SHARPS CONTAINER. IF YOU NEED SHARPS YOU CAN GO TO NMHRC.ORG. FENTANYL CAN'T HURT YOU BY TOUCHING IT. IT'S NOT TRANSTHERMALLY PSYCHO ACTIVE. WHEN YOU SEE A COP OVER DOSING BECAUSE THEY'RE AROUND FENTANYL, THAT'S THEM HAVING A PANIC ATTACK. IT WON'T KILL YOU FROM TOUCHING IT. THAT SAID, DON'T BE WILLY-NILLY ABOUT TOUCHING IT. BYE. >> LEX FOLLOWED BY BRICK. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCIL MEMBERS, I THINK YOU HAVE SEEN MY SMILING FACE ENOUGH HERE IN THE LAST SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS. I USUALLY TRY TO COME AND GIVE YOU WHAT I SEE AS THINGS THAT ARE WRONG. I DON'T WANT TO BE LOOKED AT AS THAT PERSON THAT JUST SAYS WHAT'S WRONG. I WANT TO GIVE YOU SOME SOLUTIONS THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO HAPPEN TO MAKE THINGS HAPPEN. IF YOU DO WHAT THE CONSTITUTION IS ABOUT, WE STRIVE TO MAKE IT MORE EQUAL AND A MORE PERFECT UNION. IT TROUBLES ME TODAY THAT I CANNOT WALK ANYWHERE IN PUBLIC WHEN THERE'S SOME MANAGER, DIRECTOR, CHIEF OF SECURITY, A FLUNKY IN THE SECURITY DEPARTMENT THAT THINKS I CAN'T BE IN A SPLIK PUBLIC SPACE WITH A CAMERA. GOD DAMN IT, IT'S A PUBLICLY SPACE AREA. IF IT'SOPE TOON THE PUBLIC, IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. I'M NOT GOING TO BE TOLD TURN MY CAMERA OFF OR LEAVE BECAUSE THERE'S SOME OTHER INDIVIDUAL IN PUBLIC THAT CHOOSES OF HAVING THEIR FEELINGS HURT BY MY CAMERA. THEY'RE IN PUBLIC. FOR THAT, I HAVE BEEN PERSONALLY TRESPASSED FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. IT COMES TO A WOULDN'T WHERE WE'RE JUST GOING TO TELL OUR SECURITY STAFF TO IGNORE THAT GENTLEMAN. LET THEM CONTINUE TO RING THE BILL BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST IDIOTS. THEY'RE JUST FIRST AMENDMENT AUDITORS. THEY'RE JUST PEOPLE THAT WE DON'T WANT WALKING OUR HALLS WITH A CAMERA SHINING A LIGHT ON WHAT MIGHT YOU MIGHT BE DOING WRONG. I'M TIRED OF IT. YOU FOLKS SHOULD BE TIRED OF IT. I CAN'T BLAME IT ON ANYONE THING. LET'S JUST START WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. YOU CAN'T GET RECORDS THERE IF THEY COME TO OUR HOUSE BECAUSE SOME OTHER STATE THEY WANTED TO DO A WELFARE CHECK ON SOMEBODY. YET, THE FAMILY OF SOMEBODY SHOT IN THE BACK SEAT IS STILL EXPECTED TO GET THOSE RECORDS? THINK ABOUT WHAT I SAID? I WILL BE BACK NEXT WEEK. >> GREG FOLLOWED BY TAD. >> SO, PLEASE CONTINUE THAT. I WAS LISTENING TO THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING FROM THE FIRST ONE. I WAS VERY IMPRESSED BY COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, LEWIS, AND ACTUAL. AND THEIR INQUISITIVE EFFORTS TO REACH THOSE ANSWERS FROM THE CHIEF. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, YOUR EFFORTS TO EXEMPLIFY INDIVIDUAL ACCOUNTABILITY BY REFERENCING YOUR SERVICE, INDIVIDUALLY BEING YOUR OWN RESPONSIBILITY, YEAH. COUNCILOR LEWIS, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, AND COUNCILOR ROGERS, PARTICULARLY COUNCILOR LEWIS, YOUR DETAILED EXAMINING OF THE SPECIFICS OF EACH POSITION OF PERSONNEL WITHIN APD WERE VERY INFORMATIVE AND I APPRECIATED HOW COUNCILOR LEWIS SHOWED THAT THE SAVING AND SPENDING IS NOT ACTUALLY SPENDING WHEN YOU'RE SPENDING IT ELSEWHERE. YEAH. THE CHIEF DID SAY HE WOULD SPEND IT. HE WOULD SPEND ANYTHING YOU GIVE HIM. I BELIEVE HIM. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, I REALLY WANT TO THANK YOU. YOUR WORDS STRUCK HOME WITH ME. THE CHIEF LOOKED LIKE A BUM. I'M HAPPY YOU ADDRESSED THAT. THOSE UNIFORMS WEREN'T CHEAP AND HIS ATTITUDE TOWARD RE-DRESS WERE COMPLETELY UNPROFESSIONAL. AND COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, YOUR ATTENTION TO DETAIL WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME. AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO YOUR COLLEAGUES AND THE PEOPLE OF ALBUQUERQUE. YOUR QUESTIONS WERE POINTED AND THE OBFUSEICATION BY THE CHIEF IS THE REASON I SAY HE SUCKS. AND IT REALLY DISPLAYS IN HIS OFFICERS, BY THE WAY. THE MAYOR SUCCESSES, THE ADMINISTRATION SUCKS. UNFILLED AND TWO AND A HALF MONTH OLD LATE IPRA AREN'T GOING TO CUT IT. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. THANK YOU. >> TAD FOLLOWED BY MIKELE. MIKELE FOLLOWED BY MARK. >> HI. I AM A RESIDENT OF ALBUQUERQUE. AND A VOTER HERE. I'M ALSO THE CHAIR OF THE ALBUQUERQUE DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS. NORMALLY, I ALWAYS APPROACH POWER AND THOSE IN SEATS OF POWER WITH GREAT DEAL OF SKEPTICISM, NO INTENTIONAL SHADE, BUT I THINK SKEPTICISM OF THE POWER IS THE REASON FOR THIS COUNTRY. OUR OFFICIALS ARE GOING TO EXAGGERATE WHAT IS GOING WELL AND UNDERPLAY WHAT'S GOING WRONG. NATURAL HUMAN BEHAVIOR TO SOME EXTENT. WHEN I SAW THE GOVERNOR ISSUE AN EXECUTIVE ORDER CALLING THE NATIONAL GUARD INTO ALBUQUERQUE, AN EXECUTIVE ORDER START WITH THE STATEMENT ALBUQUERQUE IS EXPERIENCING A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN CRIME, THAT SCARED ME. HOW BAD COULD IT REALLY BE IF THIS IS WHAT THE PEOPLE IN POWER ARE WILLING TO ADMIT? THEN I ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THE FACTS AND THE DATA THAT APD HAS PROVIDED. WE SEE FROM APD'S OWN STATISTICS COMPARED TO LAST YEAR THIS YEAR AUTO THEFT IS DOWN 46%. AGGRAVATED ASSAULT IS DOWN 17%. ROBBERY IS DOWN 37%. HOMICIDES, DOWN 48%. THESE ARE IMPRESSIVE ACCOMPLISHMENTS. WHY IS THE CITY COUNCIL -- WHY IS THE GOVERNOR -- WHY ARE SO MANY LOCAL REPRESENTATIVES FUELLING THIS NARRATIVE OF A SPIKE IN CRIME? WHY ARE THEY CALLING IN SOLDIERS TO BE PATROLLING OUR STREETS WHEN CRIME IS ALREADY DOWN? I ASK THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HERE TO REALLY THINK ABOUT WHO BENEFITS FROM THIS NARRATIVE. WHY ARE YOUR OFFICIALS TRYING TO MAKE YOU FEEL AFRAID? WHO BENEFITS FROM SOLDIERS PATROLLING OUR STREETS WHEN CRIME IS DOWN? AND WHO DO WE THINK IS THE REAL TARGET? THANK YOU. >> MARK FOLLOWED BY JORDAN. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. I AM FROM DISTRICT TWO. AT THIS VERY LAST FIRST FRIDAY I SAW THE VACANCY NOTICES WERE POSTED AROUND DOWNTOWN. BIG FAN. I'M PRETTY EXCITED THAT THEY'RE POSTED AND I HOPE TO SEE SOME CHANGES GOING FORWARD. AND THAT PROPERTY OWNERS DOWNTOWN ARE BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR ACTIVATION OR LACK THEREOF. I WOULD SAY A PACT DUCT TAPED TO THE BUILDING IS A LITTLE UNCOUTH. PROBABLY COULD DO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT BETTER. REGARDLESS, PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. SECONDARILY, I WANTED TO MENTION THAT I READ THROUGH THE MRA FINAL DOWNTOWN PLAN. PRETTY, YOU KNOW, STANDARD GOVERNMENT DOCUMENT, BUT DESPITE THAT I WAS STILL EXCITED FOR WHAT THE FUTURE COULD POSSIBLY BRING FOR DOWNTOWN. I WANTED TO EXPRESS SUPPORT FOR MAKING CENTRAL A FESTIVAL STREET AND IT WOULD BE AT LEAST ROUTINELY CLOSED TO VEHICLE TRAFFIC AND THE CURBS BROUGHT DOWN AND PEDESTRIANIZED MOST OF THE TIME. I THINK THAT IT WOULD MAKE FOR A BETTER FIRST FRIDAY. I THINK IT WOULD BE SUPER NEAT AND IT WOULD ALL GO SUPER WELL. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE TIME. >> JORDAN FOLLOWED BY JAMES. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF. I'D LIKE TO SPEAK BRIEFLY ABOUT A CRITICAL BOTTLENECK IN OUR CITY'S ABILITY TO GROW, PERMITTING DELAYS. RIGHT NOW EVEN DEVELOPMENTS ALLOWED UNDER OUR CODE CAN FACE LONG DELAYS TRYING TO GET PERMITS APPROVED. I'VE HEARD FROM DEVELOPERS AND HOMEOWNERS TO THOSE TRYING TO REMODEL A BATHROOM THAT SAYS IT CAN TAKE MONTHS TO GET THROUGH THE PROCESS. IT'S NOT BECAUSE OUR CITY STAFF IS NOT WORKING HARD, IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE UNDERSTAFFED AND WE'RE NOT ABLE TO ATTRACT OR MAINTAIN PLANNING CUTS TO PROCESS APPLICATIONS QUICKLY. AS AN ASIDE URBAN PLANNERS ENJOY URBAN AMENITIES. ANOTHER REASON TO SUPPORT O-25-77. WE CAN BUDGET FOR MORE POSITIONS, BUT THE REALITY IS WE'RE ALREADY STRUGGLING TO FILL THESE ROLES. ONE BARRIERS IS THESE ARE IN-OFFICE POSITIONS DESPITE BEING JOBS THAT CAN BE DONE REMOTELY. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO IMPLEMENT FLEXIBLE WORK POLICYIES AS A COST-FREEWAY -- WHERE THESE ROLES CAN PAY SIGNIFICANTLY MORE. THIS WOULD BENEFIT NOT JUST DEVELOPERS BUT HOMEOWNERS AND SMALL BUSINESSES WHO ARE FOLLOWING THE RULE AND SIMPLY WANT A TIMELY PROCESS. I WOULD ALSO SUPPORT WORKING PARENTS AND PEOPLE WITH MOBILITY CHALLENGES WITH THE BARRIERS. LET'S GIVE THEM THE TOOLS THEY NEED TO HELP ALBUQUERQUE BUILD. REMUBING PRODUCTION FROM THIS PROCESS DOESN'T JUST SUPPORT HOUSING IT SUPPORTS JOBS, GROWTH, AND EVERYDAY PEOPLE TRYING TO IMPROVE OUR HOME AND COMMUNITIES. THANK YOU. >> JAMES FOLLOWED BY DAVID. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, I RECENTLY UNDERTOOK TO QUANTIFY THE EFFECT THAT THE ART HAS HAD ON CENTRAL AVENUE FROM TRAMWAY TO UNSER. I OBSERVED ALONG THIS MAIN ARTERY OF OUR CITY ASTOUNSED ME. FIRST WAS DEVASTATION OF COMMERCIAL BUSINESS. 27%, OR 243 OUT OF THE TOTAL 916 CURRENT OR FORMAL COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS ARE NOW CLOSED AND ABANDONED OR FOR LEASE. SECOND, THE SCALE OF UNHOUSED LIVING ON CENTRAL AND ITS ADJACENT SIDE STREETICIZE A COMPLETE MOCKERY AND MISERY OF THE PRETENSE THAT ALBUQUERQUE IS MAKING PROGRESS IN THE BATTLE TO END STREET HOMELESSNESS. ON CENTRAL, WE SEE SIDE BY SIDE A REMARKABLE CONTRADICTION THAT SETS, I BELIEVE, ALBUQUERQUE APART FROM OTHER CITIES AFFLICTED BY HOMELESSNESS. CITIZENS WITHOUT SHELTER AND THE SERVIENT OF EMPTY BUILDING. ALBUQUERQUE'S ADMINISTRATION IS COMMITTED TO AN AGENDA OF VERY EXPENSIVE PROGRAMS THAT ARE DEMONSTRABLY INADEQUATE TO REVERSING A CRISIS THAT IS BLIGHTING ALBUQUERQUE FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER. AN EXAMPLE IS THE SAFE OPEN SPACES ORDINANCE THAT IS HIGH-MINDED BUT IMPRACTICAL AS REFLECTED IN THE PALTRY NUMBER IN OPERATIONAL COMPLIANCE. YET, THE CITY DIRECTS CODE ENFORCEMENT TO FINE AND PROSECUTE WHEN A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER LIKE QUIRKY BOOKS HAS THEADACITY TO ACT AS A GOOD SAMARITAN TO GET VULNERABLE PEOPLE OFF OUR STREETS AND SECURED IN THE SAFETY OF HIS OWN PROPERTY. THE HEARING OFFICER SUPPORTING THE CITY'S PUNISHMENT OF THIS ACT OF CHARITY DETERMINED FIXING HOMELESSNESS IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF GOVERNMENT. GOVERNMENT IS FAILING MISERABLY. THIS COUNCIL HAS THE POWER TO AFFECT BOLD AND ORIGINAL INITIATIVES THAT ARE DESPERATELY NEEDED, NOT ONLY BY THE THOUSANDS OF UNHOUSED BUT BY THE SMALL BUSINESSES BEING DRIV DOON EXTINCTION. I URGE YOU TO STAND UP AND ACT. >> DAVID FOLLOWED BY QUINTAN. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I'LL ALWAYS BE A RECOVERING ADDICT. THEY DON'T JUST CRAVE ESCAPE, CONNECTION, AND LOVE AND HELP AND GIVING. WE RECOGNIZE THE HURT IN EACH OTHER. TODAY I WROTE SOMETHING DOWN. I WROTE A POEM. THEY SPENT MONEY CRIMINALIZING HOMELESS. AND SENDS COPS ON PEOPLE TRYING TO SLEEP. AND HAS MILITARY ON THE STREETS AND CALL IT PUBLIC SAFETY. HOW DO YOU HELP PEOPLE BY ANTAGONIZING PEOPLE? I AM BLESSED BY TURNING MOMENTS OF VIOLENCE TO MOMENTS OF SILENCE. -- THOSE ACTIONS FOR THOSE OF US THAT BELIEVED YET WE SHOW THE MOST ACTION AND MORE THAN SPEECH TO LEGISLATE LAWS THEY'VE NEVER LIVED. WE'RE NOT BROKEN. WE'RE NOT BROKEN. WE'RE STORY TELLERS. WE'RE DEFENDERS OF DIGNITY. NOT WITH WEAPONS, BUT WITH COMPASSION. WE'RE STILL HERE. LOVING, RISING AND REFUSING TO LET OUR HEARTS BE EXTINGUISHED. IT REALLY BREAKS MY HEART THAT WE CAN'T DO BETTER FOR OURSELF. WE CAN'T -- ISN'T THERE A SMARTER WAY OF HANDLING THIS? IT'S SAD. I'M TIRED OF SEEING MY FRIENDS GET PUSHED INTO THE RAIN BECAUSE WE AREN'T ABLE TO HELP. WE HAVE WAY MORE STUFF AND ABILITY TO HELP THAN WE ALLOW OURSELF TO DO. IT'S BAD. HOPEFULLY, WE CAN DO THIS BETTER TOGETHER AND JUST LEARN TO LOVE AND UNDERSTAND THAT THE LEAST OF US, MYSELF INCLUDED, I MAY BE ADDICTIVE, OR HOMELESS, BUT I'M STILL GOING TO SCHOOL AND CONTRIBUTE TO SOCIETY. AND YOU NEED TO QUIT PUNISHING US FOR IT. >> QUINTAN FOLLOWED BY BENJAMIN. >> WHAT'S UP. PRESIDENT, COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. AND GIVING ME THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK Y'ALL. I'VE BEEN HERE IN ALBUQUERQUE FOR A LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS. AND I HAVE A BUSINESS THAT'S BEEN PROGRESSING FOR TWO YEARS. I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN MY HANDS TO Y'ALL TO GIVE Y'ALL THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE HOMELESS AS WELL THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME TOGETHER AND WORK TOGETHER BECAUSE IT'S MUCH NEEDED. ESPECIALLY IN AREAS THAT I DO HAVE MY BUSINESS IN. I LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO REACH OUT TO Y'ALL TO PLEASE REACH OUT TO BLUE SKY WELLNESS BECAUSE I AM THE FOUNDER, CEO, AND OWNER. I LIKE TO PLAY A PART IN MAKING THIS CITY A BETTER PLACE FOR EVERYBODY, NOT JUST THE HOMELESS. AGAIN, BLUE SKY WELLNESS, PLEASE REACH OUT TO ME. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE SITTING IN THE MIDDLE. AND IF ANYBODY IN HERE HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME AS WELL ON HOW WE CAN HELP THIS CITY GET BETTER, PLEASE GIVE ME A CHAT OR ASK FOR MY NUMBER. I DON'T HAVE ANY BUSINESS CARDS, BUT I DO HAVE VIRTUAL BUSINESS CARDS WHERE I CAN GIVE YOU THE QR CODE TO WHERE YOU CAN REACH ME. THANK YOU. >> BENJAMIN FOLLOWED BY TAD. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM PRESIDENT COUNCILORS. FIRST, I'D LIKE TO SAY AGAIN THAT HOUSING IS THE ANSWER. AT LEAST PART OF THE ANSWER. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU GUYS AGAIN TONIGHT TO SUPPORT -- I-25. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $75 MILLION THE STATE WILL HAVE TO SPEND ON THIS PROJECT. AND WE'LL BRING $425 MILLION FROM THE FED. IT DOESN'T ACCOMPLISH THE GOALS THAT WE WANT IT TO ACCOMPLISH EVEN WITH THE EXTRA FUNDING FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. I'M GOING TO QUICKLY GO THROUGH SOME OF THE GOALS. IF WITH WHAT WE WANT IS VEHICLE SAFETY, WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS REDUING SPEEDS, INSTALLING SPEED CAMERAS AND REDUCING CAMERA. WE SHOULD IMPROVE THE SAFETY AT OUR CROSSINGS AND REDUCE VEHICLE SPEEDS. IF WHAT WE WANT IS BETTER TRANSPORTATION THROUGH ALBUQUERQUE, WE SHOULD BE REDUCING THE VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED FOR THE PEOPLE ALREADY IN ALBUQUERQUE. IF WHAT WE WANT IS BETTER TRANSPORTATION WITHIN ALBUQUERQUE, WE SHOULD BE INCREASING THE FREQUENCY OF OUR EXISTING PUBLIC TRANSIT AND BUILDING BICYCLE INFRASTRUCTURE. WE SHOULDN'T RELY ON THE HIGHWAY TO GET AROUND INSIDE THE CITY. WE WANT MORE JOBS. WE SHOULD PEDESTRIANIZING CENTRAL, LEAD, AND COAL WHICH WILL INCREASE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON THOSE STREETS AND SPENDING MONEY ON THE STREETS. IF WE WANT STREET SAFETY, WE SHOULD DO THE NECESSARY DEVELOPMENT TO GET MORE CITIZENS OUT ON THE STREETS TO GET MORE EYES ON THE STREETS. IF YOU WANT TO FIND OUT MORE, PLEASE GO TO RETHINK I-25.ORG. COME TALK TO ME AND TELL ME WHY I'M RIGHT OR WRONG. I'D LOVE TO HEAR YOUR OPINION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> TAD FOLLOWED BY ADELE. >> WOULD YOU GIVE ME OVERHEAD? OKAY. WHAT IS IN HERE IN THE AGENDA? HERE IS WHAT I STILL GET FOR TO GET THIS AGENDA. HOW MUCH TIME DO I HAVE? TWO HOURS. LIES. THEY STAY FROM 8 O'CLOCK TO 4 O'CLOCK YOU HAVE TO SIGN UP. THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE AT. NOW, WE HAVE SO MANY -- LATELY, THAT WAS ONLY ABOUT TWO, THREE, FOUR FINAL. TODAY, IT'S A WHOLE BUNCH. WE ALSO ALLOW SPEAKERS FOR TWO MINUTES ON TWO AGENDA PLUS GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. THAT'S CITY COUNCIL BUSINESS WITH THE PUBLIC. NOW, WHEN COMES -- I SPOKE ABOUT COP WHO SHOT AND KILLED IN THE HEAD MENTAL ISSUE, 32-YEAR-OLD MAN. SHOT IN THE HEAD BECAUSE HE HELD HIS KNIFE TO HIS THROAT. WHO DID THE COP SHOOT IN THE HEAD? WE DON'T KNOW. -- LIKE GERMANY DURING THE HITLER ARMY SHOOTERS SHOOTING. THAT'S EQUALITY. YOU KEEP INTERRUPTING. THANK YOU. >> ADEO FOLLOWED BY JAMIE. ADEO? MAYBE SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES. GO AHEAD, JAMIE. >> HELLO. MADAM COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCIL MEMBERS. I AM THE -- I SERVE AS THE DIRECTOR TO THE RIO GRANDE COMMUNITY FARM. WE ARE A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION PRACTICING REGENERATIVEN IS ROO PROMOTING BEGINNING FARMERS, HEALTHY SOILS, BIO DIVERSITY, AND INCLUSIVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THROUGH EDUCATION AND CONSERVATION. OUR IMPACTS INCLUDE OVER 100 COMMUNITY GARDENERS, 43 MICROFORMERS. EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS THAT REACHED 466 YOUTH AND IN 2024 AND FINALLY 17 ACRES OF DEDICATED WILDLIFE CROPPING AND HABITATS. I WANT TO SINCERELY THANK THE DEDICATED COUNCIL, THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT, OPEN SPACE DIVISION, FOR THE LEASE AGREEMENT THAT YOU ASSIGNED THAT ALLOWS US TO STEWARD THIS VALUABLE LAND. A FIVE-YEAR LEASE AGREEMENT SIGNIFICANTLY STRENGTHENS OUR ABILITY TO SECURE GRANTS AND FUNDING THAT REQUIRE MULTI-YEAR COMMITMENTS. AND I WANT TO SPECIFICALLY COMMEND DIRECTOR SIMON AND SUPERINTENDENT McROBERTS FOR THEIR ONGOING SUPPORT AND OPEN COMMUNICATION. OUR PARTNERSHIP HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN OUR SUCCESS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT. >> BACK TO ADEO. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS. THIS IS JUST REMINDING ME THAT IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN ON THE STREETS, WHAT WE KNOW APD STANDS FOR IS ANOTHER PERSON DEAD. YOU DIDN'T CALL APD UNLESS YOU WANT SOMEBODY KILLED. MORE FUNDING FOR ACS. I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY MORE CITY JOBS THAT ARE OUT HERE HARASSING HOME BUSINESS PEOPLE. WE NEED LEADERSHIP WHO ISN'T GOING TO HAMTHER -- HAMMER THE HOMELESS. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I WAS UNABLE TO LOCATE THREE OUT OF THE FIVE ZOOM SPEAKERS. THAT CONCLUDES GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU, EVERYONE, FOR YOUR COMMENT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO APPROVAL. EC-236 LEASE AGREEMENT FOR AGRICULTURAL USE FOR OPEN SPACE. I MOVE APPROVAL. SECOND FROM COUNCILOR ROGERS. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I HAVE JACOBO FOLLOWED BY SCOOTER WHO I THINK IS ON ZOOM. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON E -- EC-25. I'M GOING TO BE SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THE LONG-TERM LEASE APPROVALS. OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE A LAND STODDARD OF THE VISITOR CENTER IN FIELD FIVE WHICH COMES TO 37 ACRES WITH 25% BEING MANAGED FOR WILDLIFE. THESE TWO YEARS HAVE GIVEN ME THE EXPERIENCE TO LEARN AND UNDERSTAND THE FIELD, SOIL, IRRIGATION, INFRASTRUCTURE AND WILDLIFE HABITS. IF GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY, I'D LIKE TO CONTINUE THE WORK. IT DOES TAKE TIME TO WORK TOWARD A GOAL AND IMPLEMENT A PLAN. WORK ON ALTERNATIVE FUNDING LIKE NRCS, MRGCD AND SWCD, ALL OF WHOM I'VE BUILT GOOD RELATIONSHIPS WITH. THE CITY OPEN SPACE TEAM CONDUCTED AN ROAI PROCESS WHICH ALLOWED THEM TO BRING IN A RANGE OF FARMERS AND LAND STEWARDS. I BRING A MIDDLE OF THE ROAD APPROACH BASED ON TAKE HALF LEAVE HALF WHICH GIVES BACK TO THE SOIL AND WILDLIFE AND HELPING THE OPERATE DAY TO DAY. WITH THAT APPROACH THINGS CAN BE QUESTIONED BECAUSE IT'S NEITHER TRADITIONAL NOR 100% REGENERATIVE. THIS INCLUDES SOIL SAMPLING, MULTISPECTRAL DRONE, PICTURES, SITE WALKS WITH STAFF, MRGCD, MRCS AND AMAFCA. LONG-TERM LEASES HELP WITH VISITOR CENTER IN PARTICULAR WITH THE IRRIGATION SEASON. LAST YEAR BECAUSE OF THE RIVER LEVELS AND IMPACTS, OUR WATER COULDN'T CONSISTENT AND WAS A CHALLENGE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND I'D APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR APPROVAL. >> SCOOTER. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM PRESIDENT COUNCILORS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. I PROVIDE A WRITTEN COMMENT TO YOU AS WELL AS COMMENT AT THE FGO COMMITTEE. THERE'S REQUEST FOR EXPRESSION OF INTEREST FOR THE PROPERTY IN DISCUSSION IN DECEMBER OF 2022 FOR A ONE-YEAR FARMING CONTRACT. NOT FOR FIVE-YEAR LEASE. THIS PROCESS HAS LACKED TRANSPARENCY AT A MINIMUM ON BEHALF OF THE OPEN SPACE DIVISION. THE CONTRACTOR AND PROPOSED LEASE HAS NOT MET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CURRENT CONTRACT PROVIDING FIELD USE REPORTS ANNUAL REPORTS AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. IT CAUSES ME CONCERN IF THEY'RE BEING PROPOSED FOR A FIVE-YEAR LEASE. THAT MAY BE DUE TO LACK OF COMMUNICATION OR ACCOUNTABILITY FROM THE OPEN SPACE DIVISION NOT JUST ON BEHALF OF THE PROPOSED LEASEE. THE PROPERTY IS NOT BEING MANAGED IN A MANNER CONSISTENT WITH SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AND OTHER FARMS IN THE AREA. I URGE YOU TO DIRECT OPEN SPACE DIVISION TO EXERCISE THE EXTENSION THAT IS AVAILABLE IN THEIR CURRENT CONTRACT. THIS WILL ALLOW THE PROPERTY TO BE MAINTAINED BY THE CURRENT CONTRACTOR AND AN RFP PROCESS USED TO SELECT A FIVE YEAR LEASE. I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE FIVE-YEAR LEASE BECAUSE THAT IT DOES ALLOW IT TO PROPERLY MANAGE THE FIELD WITH SUPPORT OF OPEN SPACE FOR FARM INFRASTRUCTURE, SOIL HEALTH, AND CROP PRODUCTION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. WE'RE ON EC-236. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, THE SPEAKERS BROUGHT UP A COUPLE THINGS. ARE THERE MANAGEMENT ISSUES GOING ON WITH THIS PROPERTY? >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM CAO. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, I'D ASK DIRECTOR SIMON TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM SINCE HE OVERSEES OPEN SPACE. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, I HAVE WITH ME CHOLINE McROBERTS OUR SUPERINTENDENT OF OPEN SPACE. SHE AND HER STAFF HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE MANAGEMENT OF OUR AG FIELDS AND THE PARTNERSHIPS THAT HAVE LED TO THESE PROPOSED LEASE AGREEMENTS. IN MY OPINION, I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD MANAGEMENT CONCERNS WHATSOEVER ON THIS LEASE OR ANY OTHERS. THE FARMERS DO FACE CHALLENGES FROM YEAR TO YEAR. I'M GOING TO HAVE HER WEIGH IN. WE'VE GOT SOME VERY GOOD QUESTIONS FROM COUNCILOR LEWIS AT THE FINANCE AND GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS COMMITTEE ABOUT VARIOUS THINGS THAT PEOPLE MAY HAVE SEEN ON THE LANDS AND WE TRIED OUR BEST TO RESPOND AND EXPLAIN HOW MANAGEMENT PRACTICES WERE BEING IMPLEMENTED ON THIS LEASED FIELDS AND WHY PEOPLE MAY HAVE SEEN THINGS THAT THEY HAVE SEEN. WITH THAT, I'LL LET COLLEEN WEIGH IN. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING US HERE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR OPEN SPACE AG LANDS WHICH ARE INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT PART OF THE NETWORK OF OPEN SPACE PROPERTIES. WE FACED HUGE CHALLENGES TODAY IN MANAGING THESE OPEN SPACE AG LANDS, WHICH ARE IMPORTANT GREEN SPACES AND PROVIDE REALLY IMPORTANT ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES, LOW IMPACT RECREATION, WILDLIFE HABITAT AND A NUMBER OF BENEFITS TO THE PUBLIC. WHILE THEY PROVIDE ALL THESE BENEFITS, WE'RE ALSO DEALING WITH WATER CURTAILMENT, DROUGHT CONDITIONS, THINGS RELATED TO CLIMATE CHANGE. SO, WE DID CONSIDER NEW WAYS TO TRY TO ADDRESS THE CHALLENGES THAT WE ARE DEALING WITH AND WORKING WITH BOTH FARMERS WHO HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE FARMING THE MIDDLE RIO GRANDE VALLEY, UNDERSTANDING THE INTRICACIES OF FLOOD IRRIGATION AS WELL AS PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE WILLINGNESS TO BE INNOVATIVE AND TRY LOTS OF DIFFERENT TECHNIQUES TO DEAL WITH OUR BIG CHALLENGES TODAY. WE HAVE FOUND THOSE FARMERS THROUGH THE PROCESS WE DID. WE'RE NOT HAVING ANY MANAGEMENT ISSUES. ALL OF THE REPORTS THAT ARE CROP PLANS AND ANNUAL REPORTS ARE POSTED ONLINE. WE'RE CONFIDENT GOING INTO LONG-TERM AGREEMENTS THAT WE HAVE SELECTED GREAT FARMERS WHO ARE GOING TO HELP US ACHIEVE GOALS WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THROUGH OUR SELECTION PROCESS. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MADAM PRESIDENT, YOU MENTIONED WATER ISSUES AND CHALLENGES. CAN YOU GIVE DETAILS INTO THAT? >> YEAH, THE BEST THAT I CAN. WE EXPECT THAT WE WILL BE GOING DRY IN OUR STRETCH OF THE RIVER THIS SUMMER, WHICH IS A HUGE ISSUE. ADDITIONALLY, THE FARMLANDS THAT ARE ON THE WEST SIDE, ALAMO FARM AND OPEN SPACE VISITOR CENTER ARE ALSO DEPENDENT ON THE CORRALES SIPHON, WHICH HAS HAD ONGOING INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES. WE HAVE MRGCD THAT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH FARMERS AND WITH US TO REALLY TRY TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO DEAL WITH DROUGHT CONDITIONS AND WATER CURTAILMENT AND MINIMIZING OUR WATER THROUGH BETTER INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE CROPS WE'RE PUTTING ON THE GROUND AND MAKING SURE WE'RE ALL COMING INTO COMPLIANCE. THEY'RE CRACKING DOWN BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO. SO, YEAH, THE FARMERS REALLY UP AND DOWN THE ENTIRE MIDDLE RIO GRANDE VALLEY ARE HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME. I ADMIRE THE FARMERS THAT ARE CONTINUING THE IMPORTANT WORK OF KEEPING THE SPACES GREEN AND REALLY SUPPORTING OUR LOCAL AGRICULTURE FOOD SOVEREIGNTY. IT IS A CHALLENGING JOB. I THINK WE HAVE FARMERS THAT ARE UP TO THE TASK. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: SO, THE SURROUNDING AREAS AND SURROUNDING FARMLANDS AREN'T HAVING ISSUES WITH THE SAME TYPE AND SCARCE WATER AND GROWTH? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, YES, EVERYBODY IS DEALING WITH THE CHALLENGES AND DROUGHT CONDITIONS THAT I THINK IN OUR AREA IN PARTICULAR THESE TWO PROPERTIES BEING OFF THE CORRALES SIPHON THEY HAVE CHALLENGES WITH INFRASTRUCTURE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MADAM CHAIR, WHY WAS THIS NOT PUT OUT FOR AN RFP? >> WE WERE TRYING TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS WHERE WE WERE IDENTIFYING DIFFERENT TYPES OF GOALS THAT WOULD ADDRESS THESE BIG CHALLENGES. AND WE REALLY DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WERE FARMERS THAT COULD DO THAT. WE WENT OUT FOR REQUEST FOR EXPRESSION OF INTEREST WHICH WAS CASTING A BROAD NET TO SEE WHO COULD BE OUT THERE TO FULFILL THESE NEEDS. WE DID THAT BECAUSE WE WERE HAVING A NUMBER OF CHALLENGES OURSELF AT THE OPEN SPACE VISITOR CENTER. WE WERE SEEING DIMINISHING SUPPORT FOR WILDLIFE. IN THE PAST TWO YEARS PRIOR TO THE REQUEST FOR EXPRESSION OF INTEREST, WE SAW THAT WE WERE -- WE ONLY HAD ALFALFA GROWING AND OUR FARMER WAS THROWING OUT CORN TO HAVE REQUIREMENTS FOR WILDLIFE CROPPING. IN ADDITION TO THE WATER CURTAILMENT WE STARTED TO ENVISION WHAT WE COULD DO TO SUPPORT AGRICULTURE IN THE FUTURE BUT DO IT IN A WAY THAT IS RESILIENT AND SUSTAINABLE. WORKING WITH A LOT OF PARTNERS, WE CAPE UP WITH A SET OF GOALS AND THE REQUEST FOR EXPRESSION OF INTEREST WAS JUST SEEING WHO MIGHT BE ABLE TO FULFILL THAT. WE DID, TO OUR SURPRISE, A LOT OF PEOPLE SHOWED INTEREST. AND WE ENTERED CONVERSATIONS. THAT WAS NOT A DETERMINING FACTOR, NECESSARILY, BUT IT ALLOWED US TO GET INTO CONVERSATIONS WITH DIFFERENT ENTITIES AND TO IDENTIFY WHO WOULD BE ABLE TO FARM THE DIFFERENT PARCELS THEY SHOWED INTEREST IN. SO, WE TRIED TO BALANCE THE AREAS THEY WERE INTERESTED IN AND THE NEEDS THEY COULD FULFILL FOR US REGARDING ALL THESE DIFFERENT GOALS THAT WE HAD SUBMITTED TO YOU IN THAT FORM. THINGS AROUND REGENERATIVE AGRICULTURE, ADDRESSING DROUGHT, DOING PUBLIC PROGRAMMING. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: ONE OF THE COMMENTS -- YOU HAD A LOT OF INTEREST IN THIS. YOU WEREN'T TOO SHOW IF YOU WOULD HAVE, SO YOU STARTED COMMUNICATION. ONCE YOU DID FIND A LOT OF INTEREST, WHY NOT GO TO AN RFP BECAUSE YOU HAVE HANDFUL OF PEOPLE THAT MEET YOUR REQUIREMENTS OR THE DISCUSSIONS YOU HAVE? >> THAT WAS NOT REQUIRED. WE DID ENTER INTO A LICENSE AGREEMENT THAT ALLOWED US TO -- BECAUSE WE WERE AT THE HEAD OF THE FARMING SEASON, ALLOWED US TO WORK WITH PEOPLE THAT WE KNEW WHO WERE QUALIFIED. AND WE WERE ABLE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE COULD HAVE THESE LONGER TERM LEASE AGREEMENTS. THE LONG-TERM LEASE AGREEMENTS HAD BEEN SOMETHING THAT HAD BEEN REQUESTD FOR QUITE A WHILE BY THE DIFFERENT FARMERS WE WORKED WITH. THEY REQUIRE LONG-TERM LEASE AGREEMENTS TO BE ABLE TO GET GRANTS TO SUPPORT INFRASTRUCTURE AND TO INVEST IN LONGER-TERM CROPS. AS WELL AS JUST TO KNOW THAT THEY HAVE A REAL COMMITMENT FROM THE CITY. SO, WE'RE HERE BEFORE YOU WITH DEDICATED FARMERS WHO ARE ABLE TO FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE NEED AND IF WE CAN COME INTO A LONG-TERM AGREEMENT WITH THEM WE KNOW THEY CAN HELP US WORKING HAND AND HAND WITH US TO FULFILL THOSE GOALS THAT HAVE BEEN OUTLINED IN THAT REQUEST FOR EXPRESSION OF INTEREST. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY. I AM VERY INTERESTED IN WHAT IS BEING FARMED THERE. >> WE HAVE DIFFERENT -- ALL OF THIS I WILL JUST SAY IS ONLINE. WE HAVE ALL OF THE CROP PLANS. WE HAVE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE FARMED AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. ALL OF THE FARMERS ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A CROP PLAN AND LET US KNOW WHAT THEY THINK THEY CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT YEAR. IT DOESN'T MEAN THERE'S NEVER CHANGES, DEPENDING ON THE WATER AVAILABILITY. FOR EXAMPLE, AT ALAMO FARM WHICH IS ON THE WEST SIDE BY PASEO DEL NORTE, WE'RE GROWING -- WHAT IT DOES IS HELP PROVIDE CONTROL FOR WEEDS. IT HELPS TO SMOTHER THEM. IT IS ALSO DROUGHT TOLERANT. IT'S A WARM SEASON CROP. RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT GREEN BUT YOU'LL SEE IT BECOME GREEN IN THE NEAR FUTURE. THAT IS THE PREDOMINANT CROP. OVER AT THE OPEN SPACE VISITOR CENTER, WE HAVE TWO FIELDS THAT ARE 100% WILDLIFE CROPS WITH POLY CULTURE DIFFERENT TYPES OF CROPS THAT ARE PERENNIAL AND ANNUAL LOOKING AT POLLINATOR PLANTS AND ALL SORTS OF THINGS. THE LEASED AGREEMENT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT TODAY FOR THE OPEN SPACE VISITOR CENTER INCLUDES SORGHUM THAT IS ONE MAIN FIELD. AND ALFALFA IN TWO OTHER FIELDS. >>COUN. GROUT: WHAT IS DONE THE CROPS WHEN THEY'RE HARVESTED? >> A COUPLE DIFFERENT SITUATIONS. PREDOMINANTLY, 25% IS REQUIRED TO BE MAINTAINED ON THE LANDSCAPE FOR THE SUPPORT OF WILDLIFE. AND THE REST OF IT THE FARMERS ARE ABLE TO HARVEST AND SELL. THAT IS WHAT HELPS COVER THEIR EXPENSES TO DO ALL THIS WORK. WHEN WE DON'T HAVE THAT AGREEMENT AND WE'RE JUST HAVING SOMEBODY DO NOTHING BUT WILDLIFE CROPPING, WE HAVE TO PAY LOT OF THAT. THAT'S TAXPAYERS MONEY GOING TOWARD THAT. THIS HELPS TO OFFSET THOSE COSTS. THE OTHER BENEFIT IS WE HAVE THESE EXPERIENCED TRADITIONAL FARMERS WORKING WITH OTHER FARMERS WHO ARE ALSO TRYING EVEN MORE INNOVATE TECHNIQUES AND SUPPORTING AND LEARNING FROM EACH OTHER. THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING AT LOS POBLANO. THAT'S HAPPENING AT THE OPEN SPACE VISITOR CENTER WITH THE HABITAT FARMS AND SOUTHWEST SOIL. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. MADAM CHAIR, A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS. I DO -- I CAN SEE THE BENEFIT FOR A FIVE-YEAR LEASE. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. YOU MENTIONED YOU HAD QUITE A BIT OF INTEREST. WHEN YOU DID FIND THAT OUT, WHY DIDN'T YOU PIVOT AND PUT IT OUT FAIRLY? I THINK A FIVE-YEAR LEASE IS A LONG TIME. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IF YOU WERE TO CHOOSE A DIFFERENT VENDOR, THEY WOULD -- THE CURRENT PROPERTY MANAGER WOULD HAVE TO CONTINUE MAINTAINING THAT UNTIL THE NEW ONE WAS BROUGHT ON. I'M PLEASED TO HEAR THERE WAS INTEREST. OFTENTIMES, WE HEAR THAT WHEN AN RFP IS PUT OUT THERE'S NO INTEREST. IN THIS CASE, THERE IS. SO, I THINK A FIVE-YEAR LEASE IS A LONG TIME AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE FAIRLY DISTRIBUTED AND GIVEN THAT OPPORTUNITY AND SCORED APPROPRIATELY AND SO FORTH. YOU -- THOSE FOLKS MAY BE THE PERFECT PEOPLE FOR IT. I FEEL LIKE IT SHOULD BE FAIRLY DONE. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT THE FARMERS THAT WE ARE WORKING WITH TODAY -- FIRST OFF, ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO DID SUBMIT A SUBMISSION FOR THE REQUEST FOR INTEREST, WE WERE ABLE TO WORK WITH ALL OF THEM TO OFFER THEM A FIELD TO WORK IN. THAT WAS ACROSS THE BOARD. IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ALL THE FIELDS THEY WANTED. IN FACT, I DON'T THINK WE WERE ABLE TO OFFER ALL THE FIELDS THAT MOST OF THEM WANTED. WE WERE ABLE TO SAY IF YOU WERE ABLE TO FARM THIS AREA. WE LOOKED AT EVERYBODY IN THEIR QUALIFICATIONS AND TRIED TO MATCH THEM UP WITH THE AREAS THEY FIT WITH IT. AT THIS POINT, THE FARMERS HAVE DONE AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF WORK. THEY DID GO THROUGH THE EXPRESSION -- THE REQUEST FOR EXPRESSION OF INTEREST. WE DID HAVE A TECHNICAL TEAM WHO REVIEWED THOSE AND WHO DID RANK THEM. AGAIN, THAT IS NOT HOW WE SELECTED PEOPLE. THAT WAS JUST A STARTING POINT FOR CONVERSATION. WE HAD MANY, MANY MEETINGS WITH THOSE PEOPLE. AND IT WAS THROUGH THOSE DISCUSSIONS, FURTHER DISCUSSIONS WITH TECHNICAL TEAM THAT WE WERE ABLE TO MATCH PEOPLE UP WITH THEIR RESPECTIVE FARMS. AND THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING AT THOSE FARMS FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS AND UNDERSTAND THE GOALS WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE. I REALLY THINK IF WE START THIS PROCESS ALL OVER, FIRST OFF, THE FARMERS ARE GOING TO BE MISSING OUT ON GRANT OPPORTUNITIES. THE HEALTHY SOILS GRANT OPPORTUNITY, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT IS SOMETHING WHERE YOU DO NEED A LONG-TERM COMMITMENT. I KNOW RIO GRANDE COMMUNITY FARM IS ANOTHER ENTITY WHO HAS BEEN TRYING TO WORK ON A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT GRANTS AND THE TWO-YEAR CONTRACTS HAVE BEEN VERY LIMITING AND THAT'S WHY THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET AS MUCH FUNDING TO SUPPORT OUR PROPERTIES, OUR COLLECTIVE PROPERTIES. SO, STARTING THAT PROCESS ALL OVER AT THIS POINT -- I DO FEAR WE'RE GOING TO LOSE GOOD FARMERS WE'RE CURRENTLILY WORKING WITH WHO ALREADY DEDICATED A LOT OF TIME AND PROVEN THEMSELVES. WE HAVE GONE THROUGH AN APPROPRIATE PROCESS AND I REALLY HOPE YOU WILL APPROVE THESE AGREEMENTS TODAY. IT WOULD REALLY ALLOW US TO ADDRESS THE MASSIVE ISSUES WE'RE DEALING WITH GOOD FARMERS. WE DO NOT HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THEIR QUALIFICATIONS OR ABILITY TO MEET THE GENERAL REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN DOING. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR LEWIS. COUNCILOR GROUT, ARE YOU GOOD? COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THANK YOU, ALL. I THINK, CERTAINLY, I WOULD AGREE. YOU GUYS HAVE HANDLED APPROPRIATELY THE MANAGEMENT AND YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO DO AN RFP. I THINK IF I WERE YOU ALL I WOULD HAVE UP TO THIS POINT BE MANAGING THINGS IN THAT REGARD AND HAVE GOOD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PEOPLE INTERESTED IN RUNNING THESE FARMS. I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT -- I APPRECIATE DIRECTOR FOR THE RESPONSE TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD LAST TIME AND SHARING SOME OF THE INFORMATION. THE REALITY IS THERE ARE OTHER INTERESTS IN THESE FARMS. AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO EXPRESSED SOME CONCERNS ABOUT HOW THEY'RE CURRENTLY BEING MANAGED. YOU CAN CHARACTERIZE THEM AS BEING MISMANAGED. I WOULDN'T SAY THAT. MAYBE THEY MIGHT BE MANAGED A LITTLE BIT BETTER. THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT. I DEFINITELY WOULD SAY THAT. I HAVE SEEN PICTURES OF SOME OF THE FARMS FROM -- [ INAUDIBLE ] . >>COUN. LEWIS: -- AND THEN ASSIGN THEM TO DIFFERENT FARMS. YOU GAVE THEM A ONE-YEAR COMMITMENT. WE'RE NOT COMMITTED TO THEM BEYOND ANYTHING OTHER THAN ONE YEAR. THAT'S BEEN EXTENDED ALREADY. IF WE WERE TO EXTEND THAT SOME MORE, THESE FARMS AREN'T GOING TO BE WITHOUT ANYTHING THEY CURRENTLY HAVE RIGHT NOW. AN RFP PROCESS, A FORMAL RFP PROCESS I DON'T THINK WOULD HURT. IF ANYTHING, I THINK IT WOULD BE A BETTER PROCESS. IT MIGHT EVEN PRODUCE SOME BETTER MANAGEMENT OF THE FARMS. I THINK IT'S BECAUSE THERE'S MORE INTEREST AND YOU HAVE DIFFERING OPINIONS ABOUT HOW THESE FARMS SHOULD BE RUN, AND THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE NEIGHBORS. THEY LIVE IN THAT AREA AND THAT COMMUNITY. AND WE ALL CARE ABOUT OPEN SPACE AND HOW IT SHOULD BE RUN. I BELIEVE WE SHOULD TRY A DIFFERENT PROCESS AND PUT THESE OUT FOR RFP. I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE ONEROUS ON YOU TO DO THAT. IF I DID, I WOULDN'T ASK YOU TO DO IT. I WOULDN'T BE REJECTING THIS. IT'S NOT REJECTING IT OUT OF THE FACT THAT, AGAIN, ANYTHING PERSONAL WITH YOU IS SIMPLY A MATTER -- I THINK THIS IS A CASE WHERE IT'S GOOD TO HAVE A GOOD FORMAL RFP PROCESS AND GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERYBODY EXPRESSED INTEREST. I THINK THE PROPERTIES WOULD BE BETTER OFF AFTER GOING THROUGH A FORMAL RFP. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I JUST WANT TO START BY THANKING DIRECTOR SIMON, COLLEEN. THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS LAST TIME. THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING US WITH THE INFORMATION. I REALLY APPRECIATE BEING ABLE TO LOOK THROUGH THE SCORING SHEETS AND EVERYBODY'S NOTES. TO SAY WE'RE HAVING DIFFICULT WATER ISSUES IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT. IT'S A MASSIVE UNDERSTATEMENT. WE HAD NO SNOW PACK THIS YEAR. LAST YEAR I COHOSTED A RIVER EVENT. AND WE DIDN'T HAVE IT THIS YEAR BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE WATER. WE'LL CUT OFF THOSE FARMERS THIS YEAR. THAT'S NOT A SMALL THING TO SAY. THAT'S PEOPLE'S LIVELIHOODS. THEY'LL HAVE TO RELY ON RAINWATER. SO, TO SAY THAT THIS YEAR'S FIELD IS OF POOR CONDITION COMPARED TO PREVIOUS YEARS IS NOT ACCURATE. -- THERE'S LITERALLY NO WATER. AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE AT MRGCD IS DOING THE BEST THEY CAN, GIVEN THE CHALLENGES THAT EXIST THERE. IT IS A DIFFICULT SITUATION. TO TELL A FARMER YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO GET ONE YEAR TO MAKE SOMETHING OUT OF THIS, ESPECIALLY UNDER THESE CONDITIONS IS FRANKLY RIDICULOUS. I DO APPRECIATE THAT WITH THE DOCUMENTATION YOU SHOWED YOU OFFERED ALL THE FARMERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO FIELD. EVEN IF IT WASN'T THE ONE THEY PREFERRED. EVERYONE WHO SPOKE IN HERE EITHER GOT ONE OR HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO FARM A FIELD. THAT WASN'T LOST ON ME. IF THEY CHOSE NOT TO, IT'S BECAUSE THEY CHOSE NOT TO. WE SOMEBODY WHO SPOKE ASKING US TO UPHOLD THE WORK HE'S WORKING ON. I THINK SHE SHOULD CONTINUE THE WORK HE'S DOING. I STRONGLY URGE THE GROUP TO SUPPORT THIS. SAME WITH THE OTHER ONES THAT PASSED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. HEARING BOTH SPEAKERS SPEAK, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COUNCILOR LEWIS BROUGHT UP IS I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THIS BODY RIGHT NOW CAN SEE SOME PICTURES. DO YOU HAVE ANY PHOTOS OF THE BEFORE AND AFTER? OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, JUST TO SEE HOW THE LAND IS MAINTAINED NOW VERSUS HOW THEY WERE MAINTAINED IN THE PAST. I WAS CURIOUS AS TO WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE. I WAS NOT AT THE FGO MEETING. I WAS ILL THAT DAY. I WISH I WOULD HAVE SEEN THE PICTURES. DO YOU HAVE ANY PHOTOS TO SHOW US TODAY? SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS WEEDS ALONG THE FARM ROAD. POSSIBLY STANDING WATER. THESE ARE THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE ACTUALLY SENDING US THE EMAILS IN REFERENCE TO THAT. CAN YOU GIVE US AN IDEA? NO MATTER HOW YOU DO IT, IF YOU HAVE WEEDS YOU CAN CUT THE WEEDS. I'M WONDERING WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW VERSUS YEARS PAST. I THINK THAT SOMETHING THAT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR US TO SEE WHEN IT COMES IN FRONT OF THE FULL BODY AFTER IT LEAVES COMMITTEE. >> MADAM CHAIR, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, I GUESS HOW I'D LIKE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION IS WE DON'T HAVE PHOTOS TO SHOW YOU AT THIS MOMENT. HOWEVER, I CAN TELL YOU ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS THE IMPETUS TO THIS ENTIRE SITUATION WAS THE PREVIOUS FARMER WE WERE SEEING DIMINISHING WILDLIFE CROPS. WE ACTUALLY HAVE PHOTOS -- I WAS TALK TO MATT WHO WAS THE PRIOR SUPERINTENDENT ABOUT THIS FARM AND HE SAID HE HAS PHOTOS GOING BACK 10 YEARS AGO. WHERE THE FIELDS WERE COVERED WITH CRANE. WE HAD BEEN HEARING FROM STAFF AND FROM VOLUNTEERS WHO HAVE BEEN WITH THE DIVISION FOR LONG TIME. I'VE SEEN DIMINISHING WILDLIFE THERE. AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WE STARTED THIS WHOLE PROCESS OF THINKING ABOUT HOW DO WE MAXIMIZE WILDLIFE AND WHAT ARE THE OTHER THINGS WE WANT TO DO. SO WE COULD SHOW YOU LOTS OF PICTURES. IT MAY NOT GET YOU EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT. RIGHT NOW, THE FIELD CLOSEST TO THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE IS A FIELD THAT IS BEING MANAGED BY HABITAT COLLECTIVE. THEY ARE TRANSITIONING THAT FIELD INTO SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAT'S NOT YOUR TRADITIONAL ALFALFA AGRICULTURE FIELD. IT'S GOING TO LOOK VERY DIFFERENT. IT'S NOT GOING TO LOOK LIKE THE GREEN CROP OF A FEW YEARS AGO. ALSO, THE FACT THAT WE ARE NOW PLANTING WARM SEASON CROPS AND CROPS THAT ARE GOING TO BE MORE ADAPTIVE TO DRY CONDITIONS WILL ALSO LOOK DIFFERENT. IT'S REALLY NOT COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES BECAUSE OF THE WATER ISSUE BUT ALSO BECAUSE OF WHAT IS BEING PLANTED AND ALL OF THIS IS WITH THE THE TENT OF TRYING TO MAXIMIZE WILE LFD -- WILELIFE HABITAT AND DOING A BETTER JOB THANNIST PAST. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, IT'S VERY HARD TO COMPARE PHOTOS FROM A CERTAIN TIME TO TODAY WHEN A LOT OF THE ASSUMPTIONS AND OBJECTIVES AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS HAVE CHANGED. WHAT WE SEE NOW IS THE FARMERS TRYING TO IMPLEMENT THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THIS NEW APPROACH. AND THEY'RE DOING REALLY WELL AT IT. I THINK HISTORICAL COMPARISON IS ALWAYS INTERESTING. I LOVE LOOKING AT THOSE THINGS. I DON'T KNOW THEY'LL BE DETERMINEATIVE OF WHETHER THE PROPOSED LEASES ARE THE RIGHT THING TO DO. I THINK WE HAVE THE RIGHT FARMERS AT THE RIGHT TIME. THEY'RE DOING WHAT WE'VE ASKED THEM TO TRY TO DO. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I HAVE ONE COMMENT. I HAVE FARMERS IN MY FAMILY THAT DO CHILE FAMILY IN SOR CORO. THEY ROTATE THE FIELD AND MOVE THE FIELDS AROUND SO THINGS CAN GET DONE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THEIR FIELDS, THEIR FIELDS ARE ALWAYS IN A VERY, VERY PROPERLY KEPT STATE ALL THE TIME. SO THEY CAN TRANSITION WITHOUT ISSUE. ONCE ONE FIELD IS READY TO BE TRANSITIONED, IT'S ALREADY PUT IN THAT POSITION. IT WOULD BE REALLY, REALLY NICE TO SEE A PHOTO OF A FIELD THAT'S ALREADY BEEN TRANSITIONED. A PHOTO OF A FIELD THAT'S ALREADY MOVING FROM ONE STAGE TO THE NEXT AND TO THE NEXT. THOSE SHOULD ALWAYS BE THERE. ANOTHER THING WE DON'T SEE WHEN WE'RE OUT THERE DEALING WITH THE FARMING IS A LOT OF WEEDS. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW IN ORDER FOR ME TO GET -- TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS. LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I WAS REALLY SICK THE DAY OF THE FGO MEETING. I WASN'T ABLE TO SEE ANY PHOTOS. I THINK THAT WOULD REALLY HELP US RIGHT HERE IF WE CAN SEE SOME SORT OF TRANSITIONING AND A VERY WELL-KEPT FIELD NO MATTER WHAT THE STATUS OF THE FIELD IS. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, I KNOW THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL CIRCLING BACK. FIRST LET ME GO BACK TO COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN AND WE'LL START WITH ROUND TWO. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. FOR THOSE OF US THAT AREN'T FARMERS, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FARMING WHICH IS WHAT WE SEE ON THE SIDE OF THE ROADS, AND FARMING SPECIFICALLY FOR WILDLIFE? CAN YOU TALK US THROUGH THE DIFFERENCE OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, IT COULD LOOK LIKE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS. IT'S NOT ALWAYS GOING TO BE UNIFORM. SOMETIMES IT'S PUTTING OUT DIFFERENT TYPES OF CROPS THAT YOU LEAVE SO MIGRATING BIRDS LIKE SANDHILL CRANES COME THROUGH AND FORAGE. WHAT HAPPENS IN THAT SITUATION IS THERE'S A REGIMENT OF CUTTING SO THE CRANES HAVE FEED THROUGHOUT THE SEASON. THAT IS -- IT MAY LOOK VERY MUCH A REGULAR AGRICULTURE CROP. WE ARE ALSO DOING SOME VERY INNOVAIVE THING AT THE CANDELARIA NATURE PRESERVE AND OPEN SPACE VISITOR CENTER WHERE IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE A TRADITIONAL CROP. WE'RE PLANTING A VARIETY OF POLLINATOR AND PERENNIAL PLANTS. AND WE'RE ALSO PAYING LOT OF ATTENTION TO THE SOIL. THE SOIL IS ALSO AN ECHO SYSTEM OF ITSELF. IF IT IS HEALTHY AND RICH, THAT IS AN UPWARD MOVEMENT OF SUPPORTING WILDLIFE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SYSTEM. YEAH, THINGS MAY NOT LOOK LIKE A TRADITIONAL AGRICULTURE FIELD WITH GRAIN OR EVEN WITH DIFFERENT PRODUCE. AND SOMETIMES IT DOES. AT LOS POBLANOS IN THE RIO GRANDE COMMUNITY FARM THEY INTERFIX VEGETABLE FARMING WITH HEDGE ROWS AND NATIVE PURENINALS BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT ROSE. THERE'S LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO THIS. WHAT'S WONDERFUL IS WHEN WE WORK WITH DIFFERENT FARMERS AND APPROACHES, THEY ARE GENERATIONAL FARMERS. AND OTHERS ARE COMING FROM INNOVAIVE SCIENCE-BASED TECHNIQUES. AND WE'RE WORKING THEM ALL TOGETHER TO ADDRESS ISSUES. IT COULD LOOK QUITE DIFFERENT OR QUITE SIMILAR. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. SO, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I KNOW BECAUSE I LIKE WILDLIFE AND I WATCH WILDLIFE LOT IS THE NUMBER OF CRANES I'M SEEING IN THOSE AREAS WENT DOWN PRETTY DRAMATICALLY OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. AND THEN IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WERE MORE AGAIN LAST YEAR. DO YOU HAVE ANY DATA OR ANY OBSERVATIONS ON THE DECLINE WITH THE OLD WAY OF DOING THING AND POTENTIALLY A REBOUND WITH THIS NEW WAY OF DOING THINGS? BECAUSE WE'RE FACILITATING THIS TO INCREASE WILDLIFE ON OPEN SPACE RIGHT? >> MADAM CHAIR, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS A WONDERFUL PARTNERSHIP THAT WE HAVE IS WITH THE CANDELARIA NATURE RESERVE WE SEE THAT AS A SISTER SITE. WORKING WITH OTHER REFUGES UP AND DOWN THE MIDDLE RIO GRANDE. WE'RE LEARNING FROM EACH OTHER AND LOOKING AT NOT JOUST HOW TO SUPPORT LARGE CRANES BUT HOW DO WE DIVERSIFY AND HAVE AS MUCH WILELIFE AS POSSIBLE FOR A WIDE VARIETY OF BIRDS THAT ARE RESIDENTIAL, MIGRATING AND OTHER ANIMALS. AT CANDELARIA, FOR EXAMPLE, WE USED TO HAVE MORE CRANES THERE. WE STILL HAVE CRANES, BUT WE NOW HAVE MANY MORE DIFFERENT SPECIES OF WILDLIFE THERE. AND WE HAVE LESS CRANES. BECAUSE WE'RE NOT JUST DOING CORN OR SEDAN. SOMETIMES WE CAN SEE DIMINISHING NUMBERS BASED OFF OF WHAT IS BEING PLANTED. AND THERE ARE LARGER THINGS HAPPENING WITH THE CRANES THAT I WISH I WAS A BETTER BIRDER. OUR BIOLOGISTS COULD, AND WE CAN GET YOU THAT INFORMATION. THERE ARE CHANGING HAPPENING ON A LARGE SCALE, BUT OUR ATTENTION IS TO MAXIMIZE WILDLIFE FOR AS MANY DIFFERENT SPECIES AS POSSIBLE. AND REALLY UNDERSTANDING THESE PLACES AND THE BOSQUE PLAY SUCH AN IMPORTANT ROLE FOR WILDLIFE IN GENERAL. AS WE SEE MORE DEVELOPMENT AND PREGGER AND CLIMATE CHANGE AND ISSUES RELATED TO THAT, THESE PLACES ARE REFUGES. WE HAVE TO DO OUR BEST TO MAXIMIZE SUPPORT FOR WILDLIFE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: ONE MORE QUESTION. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND IT. BEFORE US IS EC-236. AND WE'RE GOING TO HEAR 327 IN A MINUTE. EARLIER IN THE CONSENT AGENDA, WE HAD TWO THAT ALREADY PASSED. WAS THERE ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO THAT PASSED AND THESE TWO IN TERMS OF PROCESS? DID THEY GO OUT TO RFP? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN NO. THIS IS THE SAME PROCESS. I DO THINK, AS WAS MENTIONED, THE PROCESS WE USE TO FIND THE BEST WE COULD FOR THESE PRECIOUS PUBLIC LANDS REALLY WORKED WELL. WE HAD EXPRESSIONS OF INTEREST. WE WERE ABLE TO OFFER EVERY FARMER AN OPPORTUNITY THROUGH THIS PROCESS. IT ACTUALLY WAS A BETTER RESULT, I THINK. WE USE THAT. IT WORKED OUT VERY WELL FOR THE OTHER TWO LEASES THAT THE COUNCIL HAS APPROVED. WITH RESPECT TO THE IDEA OF RESETTING THROUGH AN RFP PROCESS, I'M PART OF THE GOVERNMENT. I THINK SOMETIMES I UNDERSTAND RFPs DON'T ALWAYS HAPPEN AT LIGHTNING SPEED. WE TRY TO DO THEM FAST. I THINK YOU'LL BE LOOKING AT EXTENSIVE TIME. THERE'S A STRUCTURED PROCESS THAT COULD KICK IN. I WOULD FEAR VERY MUCH THAT WE COULD LOSE OUR GREAT CROP OF FARMERS THAT WE HAVE ALSO NURTURED AND WORKED TOGETHER WITH. SO WE USE THE SAME PROCESS AND IT WORKED VERY WELL. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. JUST A COUPLE OF FOLLOW UPS. YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU HAVE WARM SEASONAL CROPS. WHAT ARE THOSE? >> AT ALAMO FARM IT IS SEDAN AND SORDM. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THOSE ARE A ONE-TIME DEAL? >> YES. THE -- WILL COME BACK. I'M NOT 100%. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: AND ALFALFA IS FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS? >> THAT'S CORRECT. SDMRCH I RECALL THAT GOING . >>COUN. CHAMPINE: I RECALL THAT GROWING UP IN THE 300 ACRE FARM WE HAD IN THE SOUTH VALLEY. DO YOU HAVE A CROP PLAN? >> YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: OKAY. >> THEY ARE POSTED ONLINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: CAN I GET A COPY OF THE CROP PLAN SENT TO ME ALONG WITH THE QUESTIONNAIRE AND DECISION TOPICS YOU HAD? JUST THE OUTLINE OF THE PROGRAM YOU DECIDED TO QUESTION THE PEOPLE. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SOME OF THE ONES ON THE CONSENT AND THESE TWO. PARTLY, FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S MORE INTEREST REGARDING HOW THESE PROPERTIES ARE BEING MANAGED RIGHT NOW. AND SOME CONCERNS ABOUT IT. AND INTEREST IN MORE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO MANAGE THESE PROPERTIES. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. AND YOU'RE ASKING US TO APPROVE AN AGREEMENT, AND THIS AGREEMENT IS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WENT THROUGH AN EXPRESSION OF INTEREST. SO, THE PERSON THAT'S MANAGING THIS RIGHT NOW SHOWED AN EXPRESSION OF INTEREST. IT WAS AWARDED TO THEM. I'M NOT CRITICIZING THAT PROCESS. I CAN'T SAY THAT'S THE MOST FAIR PROCESS WHEN THERE'S MULTIPLE PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN MANAGING THAT. IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A FINE PROCESS, IT'S JUST I CAN'T SAY IT'S THE MOST FAIR PROCESS. I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WHEN YOU HAVE PROPERTIES LIKE THIS THAT WE WANT MANAGED REALLY WELL, AND WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH OUR GOALS AND WHEN THERE'S PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE A VISION TO DO IT BETTER, A VISION TO DO IT DIFFERENTLY, OR TO DO IT BETTER ACCORDING TO YOUR GOALS AND OBJECTIVES, THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN A FAIR WAY. AN RFP IS A VARFAY TO DO THAT. IT CAN HAPPEN QUICKLY. WE KNOW IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF FEAR OF LOSING A GRANT OR IN THE MEANTIME THAT -- I DON'T THINK THOSE ARE FOUNDED. I THINK WE CAN LIVE WITH THAT. BY GOING THROUGH A FAIR PROCESS WITH THIS. IF YOU COME TO US AND ASK US TO AWARD AN AGREEMENT TO SOMEBODY WHO WENT THROUGH A PROCESS WITH WITH MULTIPLE PEOPLE AND PROPOSED A -- GAVE A PROPOSAL THAT MET YOUR GOALS AND OBJECTIVES, I THINK THIS -- I, FOR ONE, WOULD BE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. IF THEY WENT THROUGH A PROCESS LIKE THIS. THIS IS SOMETHING WHO IS MANAGING THE PROPERTY. THEY WERE GIVE AN YEAR TO DO IT. THAT TIME HAS GONE ON. AND NOW YOU'RE ASKING US TO APPROVE ANOTHER FIVE YEARS FOR THIS PERSON WHEN WE KNOW THERE'S OTHER INTEREST AND WE ALSO KNOW THERE'S COMPLAINTS AND CONCERNS ABOUT HOW THIS IS BEING OPERATED. I THINK THIS IS A SIMPLE REQUEST. I THINK IT CAN BE DONE SIMPLY IN THAT REGARD. I THINK, AGAIN, THAT'S ME LISTENING TO MORE THAN JUST YOU ALL. I RESPECT YOUR OPINION. I THINK YOU ARE CHARGING FORWARD WITH WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU. BUT YOU HAVE A CITY COUNCIL THAT REPRESENTS EVERYBODY AND WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT -- ALSO, IN YOUR GOALS AND OBJECTIVES FOR THE RFP. IF YOU WANT CRANES ON THE PROPERTY, PUT CRANES ON THE PROPERTY. IT -F YOU WANT IT TO BE FARMLAND OR ANIMALS OR BOTH. THERE'S LOT OF EMPTY PROPERTY AND OPEN SPACE IN MY AREA THAT'S AN EMPTY FOUND AND YOU WON'T FIND A MOUSE. I KNOW WHAT IT TAKES TO HAVE CRANES AND ANIMALS ON THOSE PROPERTIES IT TAKE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MANAGEMENT AND WORK IN THOSE PROPERTIES REALLY WELL WITH PEOPLE WHO KNOW HOW TO DO IT AND PEOPLE PROPOSING GOOD IDEAS. I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTIES IN THE BERNADO. THOSE ARE PROPERTIES CHALK FULL OF CRANE AND WILDLIFE. IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY AND PUBLIC PROPERTY AND IT'S MANAGED REAL WELL. SIMPLY SAYING, SPECIFICALLY FOR THESE PROPERTIES, I THINK THERE'S FAIR WEAR TO DO AN RFP. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT HARD. I THINK YOU HAVE LOT OF PEOPLE INTERESTED IN TALKING ABOUT IT. EVEN NOW THEY'LL JUMP IN AND PUT TOGETHER GREAT PROPOSALS ACCORDING TO YOUR PROPOSALS AND GOALS. AS FAR AS APPROVING THE CONTRACT BEFORE US RIGHT NOW, BASED ON SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN MANAGING IT AND THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT HOW THEY MANAGE IT, THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR BE TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN RFP, I CAN'T APPROVE THIS. I WILL APPROVE SOMETHING THAT GOES THROUGH A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A FAIR PROCESS. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, I'M GOING TO GO TO COUNCILOR GROUT AND COUNCILOR BACA AND WE'LL TAKE A VOTE. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. DID YOU GUYS CONSULT WITH THE OPEN SPACE ADVISORY BOARD? WHAT WAS THEIR -- DID YOU TELL THEM ABOUT THIS? DID YOU ASK FOR THEIR OPINION? DID THEY GIVE YOU ANY FEEDBACK? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, WE DID BRIEF THE OPEN SPACE ADVISORY BOARD AND HAD AN ENTIRE PRESENTATION. NOT ONLY ON WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THESE FARMLANDS, BUT WITH ALL OF OUR AGRICULTURE PROPERTIES AND THINGS WE'RE DOING. AND THINGS WE'RE DOING IN THE CITY. THEY'RE AWARE AND HAD NO CONCERNS. AND THEY WERE SUPPORTIVE. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. I, TOO, THINK IT'S WONDERFUL WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH THE OPEN SPACE. I THINK THE PROCESS, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A LOT OF INTEREST, AGAIN, I'LL GO BACK TO I KNOW OFTENTIMES THERE ISN'T INTEREST WHEN RFPs ARE PUT OUT. WE HAVE INTEREST NOW. SO, IT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH A REAL GOOD PROCESS. I LIKE THE WAY COUNCILOR LEWIS SUMMARIZED IT. I THINK I WANT TO VOTE FOR SOMETHING THAT HAS GONE THROUGH A FAIR PROCESS. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THANK YOU, AGAIN, DIRECTOR SIMON. I JUST -- YOU KNOW, FOR PROVIDING US THESE CLEAR GOALS AND OBJECTIVES ALONG WITH THE SCORING SHEETS THAT SHOW THE QUALIFICATION AND ALL THE WORK THAT WENT INTO THE SELECTION. IT'S VERY, VERY CLEAR WHY THEY WERE CHOSEN AND WHAT THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES FOR EACH OF THE FARM FIELDS WAS. THANK YOU FOR THAT AGAIN. I APPRECIATE IT. IT'S VERY, VERY TRANSPARENT AND OPEN PROCESS RIGHT HERE. IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH MORE THAN READING THROUGH THE PACTS TO PROVIDED TO US A WEEK AGO. THANK YOU AGAIN. A COUPLE QUICK THINGS. WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE RIO GRANDE CONSERVANCY DISTRICT. WE'RE NOT AN IRRIGATION DISTRICT. THAT'S VERY SPECIFIC. IT IS MORE THAN JUST IRRIGATION AND CONSERVANCY. CONSERVING OUR LAND AND WILDLIFE. OUR RECREATION. SOMETIMES I THINK PEOPLE CARE MORE ABOUT THE BOSQUE THAN THE ACTUAL RIVER ITSELF. I APPLAUD YOU FOR MAKING SURE THAT OUR LAND IS BEING STEWARDED IN A WAY THAT COVERS ALL TAT -- THAT. WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT CAME TO SPEAK. HE PUT HIS BLOOD, SWEAT, AND TEARS AND A WHOLE LOT OF PRAYERS BECAUSE THAT'S EVERY FARMER WHEN THEY DO THEIR WORK. THAT'S NOT A SMALL THING. I SAY THAT AS SOMEONE WHO SERVED SUCCESS YEARS ON THE MIDDLE RIO GRANDE CONSERVANCY BOARD. EVERY WEEK, FARMERS CAME AND SHOWED UP. NOT JUST FARMERS, A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE. THIS ISN'T EASY. IT'S NOT A SMALL THING TO GO OUT THERE AND PUT THAT WORK IN. ESPECIALLY THESE DAYS. YOU CAN'T GUARANTEE WATER OR YOU'RE GOING TO GET A CROP. IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO LOSE EVERYTHING. SO, THEY NEED THAT CERTAINTY. THEY NEED MORE THAN JUST ONE YEAR. OTHERWISE THEY CAN COMPLETELY LOSE OUT ON THE MONEY THEY'RE MAKING FAMILIES. IT REALLY DOES HAVE TO GO FIVE YEARS. THANK YOU, AGAIN. I URGE EVERYONE TO SUPPORT, JUST AS WE DID THE OTHER THREE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, IF I CAN HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT. I JUST WANT TO SAY I THINK WE PURSUED THINGS CREATIVELY, AS THE COUNCIL WANTS US TO BE INNOVATIVE AND BE THE BEST WE CAN FOR THE CITY. WE DID THAT. THERE'S EXPRESSIONS OF INTEREST. THERE WAS MORE INTEREST, ACTUALLY, THE LOS POBLANOS FIELD THAN THE TWO LEASES THAT ARE RIGHT NOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT. MUCH MORE THAN THOSE IN THAT AREA. AGAIN WE ACCOMMODATED EVERY QUALIFIED FARMER THAT APPAPPLIE. WE OFFERED THEM ALL AN OPPORTUNITY. I THINK THAT WAS, AGAIN, A GREAT SIGN THAT WE WERE DOING SOMETHING CREATIVE AND IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THESE FARMERS AND EVERYONE GOT A FAIR SHOT AT SOME FARMING. WE HAVE ONE ENTITY THAT DECLINED TO TAKE THE OFFER WE GAVE THEM TO FARM. AS FAR AS I KNOW, WE HAVEN'T BEEN GIVEN COMPLAINTS. THESE ARE SMALL BUSINESSES JUST LIKE YOU WOULD CONSIDER SMALL BUSINESSES IN OTHER RESPECTS. I KNOW WE OFTEN TALK ABOUT SUPPORTING THEM AND THEY'RE THE BACKBONE OF YOUR COMMUNITY AND ECONOMY. THE FARMERS ARE THE SAME. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE EC-326. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: NO. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: NO. >>COUN. LEWIS: NO. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: NO. >>COUN. BASSAN: NO. >> THAT FAILS ON A 4-5 VOTE. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOVING TO EC-236 -- 327. KNOWN AS THE ALAMO FARM. I MOVE APPROVAL. SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> WE HAVE CHRIS FOLLOWED BY SCOOTER. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCIL MEMBERS. YOU -- I WAS GOING TO GO IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. I'M THE LAND STEWARD FOR THE ALAMO FARM WHICH IS PROBABLY THE MOST VISIBLE OPEN SPACE BECAUSE IT DOES PARALLEL PASEO DEL NORTE. EARLIER, YOU ASKED FOR SOME PHOTOS. I HAVE SOME PHOTOS OF BEFORE AND AFTER. I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE ACCESSIBLE THROUGH HERE. AS WE WERE GETTING THIS SET UP, I TOOK OVER THE PROPERTY TWO YEARS AGO. WHEN I TOOK OVER THE PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY WAS BEING -- HAD BEEN PLANTED IN SOY GUM OR MILO FARM PREPPING. MY PICTURES WILL REFLECT THIS. IT'S ON A CELL PHONE. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GOING TO WORK OR NOT. THE EXPLANATION IS THIS PHOTO SHOWS THE SOY GUM PRESENT, BUT MOST OF IT IS NOXTIOUS WEEDS. OR DIRT. WITHIN TWO MONTHS, THIS IS WHAT THE FIELD LOOKED LIKE. WITH THE DROUGHT-TOLERANT TECH. AND THE DIFFERENT TYPE OF MANAGEMENT AND IRRIGATION PROCESS. THE INTENT OF THIS WAS TO CONTINUE THE FOLLOWING YEAR. SAME METHODOLOGY AS FAR AS PLANTING AND HARVESTING WAS THE SAME POTENTIAL OUTCOME. ALTHOUGH, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GROWING SEASON, MR. BACA KNOWS, THE WATER WAS CUT OFF. WE DIDN'T HAVE WATER FOR PROBABLY SEVEN WEEKS. THEREFORE, THIS FIELD TURNED INTO YELLOW GRASS WHICH IS PROBABLY WHAT MOST PEOPLE VISUALLY SAW ON PASEO DEL NORTE. I HAD TO MAKE A CONSCIOUS DECISION TO SAY I CANNOT HARVEST THAT, THEREFORE I'M GOING TO LEAVE WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE AND ALLOW THAT TO BE USED FOR SOIL HEALTH AND REGENERATE THE SOIL AND MIX IT INTO THE SOIL. AS A FARMER, I DIDN'T MAKE A PROFIT. EVERYTHING I DID IN ALL MY EFFORTS WAS A COMPLETE LOSS. BECAUSE OF MY PASSION FOR FARMING AND TRYING TO CONTINUE WITH THE TRADITION THAT I HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP WITH AND RAISED IN THE NORTH VALLEY AND WANTING TO PRESERVE WILDLIFE AND FARMING PRACTICES, I CONTINUE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM THAT THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE ALLOWED ME TO. MR. SANCHEZ, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT WE TRIED -- AS BEING A SUCCESSFUL FARMER YOU TRIED TO PLAN AND ANTICIPATE. YOU TRY TO PREPARE FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR, BUT THAT IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO DO. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. >> SCOOTER. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU. A NUMBER OF ISSUES. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, AS A MEMBER OF A FARMING FAMILY, YOU CAN APPRECIATE SOIL HEALTH IS OF ULTIMATE IMPORTANCE. ALL FARMERS WORK TO TAKE CARE OF THE SOIL SO IT TAKES CARE OF THE FARMER. MY CONCERN, COUNCILOR LEWIS, YOU DRIVE ACROSS PASEO DEL NORTE TO THE EAST. WE USED TO SEE WILDLIFE. WE USED TO SEE CRANES. WE USED TO SEE GEESE. THAT ISN'T THE CASE TODAY. THAT IS A MAJOR CONCERN TO ME. THE LACK OF WATER THAT COUNCILOR BACA BRINGS UP, THAT'S AN ISSUE. WHICH RAISES THE QUESTION WHY ARE WE USING A WARM SEASON GRASS THAT LIKELY WE WON'T HAVE WATER TO IRRIGATE BECAUSE WE EXPECT WATER TO BE CUT OFF IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS OR SO? SO, THE CHOICE TO USE WARM SEASON GRASS OR SOMETHING THAT COULD HAVE BEEN PLANTED IN CHURCH IS AN INTERESTING CHOICE TO SAY THE LEAST. TO COUNCILOR GROUT'S COMMENT, FIVE YEARS IS A LONG TIME. SO, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OBJECTIVES, GOALS AND OBJECTIVES, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THAT LEASE AGREEMENT. I READ THE CURRENT LEASE AGREEMENT FOR THE PROPOSED IN FRONT OFFIA -- THEY DON'T INCLUDE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES AS WHAT METRICS IS MEASURED AS TO WHAT IS SUCCESSFUL IN THE EYES OF ADMINISTRATION VERSUS UNSXFUL. I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING ADDED TO THE LEASE AGREEMENT. AGAIN, I RENEW MY CONCERN ABOUT THE RFP PROCESS. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. >> THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR LEWIS, I APOLOGIZE. YOU WANTED TO SPEAK AFTER MR. GALLEGOS. >>COUN. LEWIS: THAT'S ALL RIGHT. IF WE'RE READY FOR DISCUSSION? >>COUN. BASSAN: THAT'S FINE. >>COUN. LEWIS: OKAY. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. BY THE WAY, THIS IS A PROPERTY THAT -- ON THE WEST SIDE WITH RETAIL AND HOMES AND YOU DRIVE ACROSS PASEO AND SEE THIS BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY, OPEN SPACE. THESE ARE TREASURES. THESE AREAS ARE TREASURES. AND THEY'RE OWNED BY THE CITY. WE HAVE PARTNERSHIPS WITH PEOPLE THAT MANAGE THEM. THEY'RE JUST IMPORTANT. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE MANAGE THEM WELL. AND IF COUNCILAL -- COUNCIL HAS A DECISION ON -- WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY'RE MANAGED. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PROCESS TO GET THE BEST MANAGEMENT. THAT'S IT. EVERYTHING SAID TONIGHT FROM DIRECTOR SIMON ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING A LONG-TERM CONTRACT, I ABSOLUTELY AGREE. THE IMPORTANCE OF DROUGHT IRRIGATION, ALL THESE THINGS AFFECT THE MANAGEMENT OF IT. ABSOLUTELY AGREE. THOSE ARE ALL FACTORED INTO IT. I DO AGREE, THERE WAS A TIME ON THIS PROPERTY WHEN I DID SEE THIS PLACE FLOURISH WITH CRANES AND GEESE. YOU COULD TELL IT WAS MANAGED REALLY WELL AND IT WAS A GOOD BALANCE BETWEEN FARMING AND WILDLIFE. AND I JUST HAVEN'T SEEN THAT IN A LOT OF YEARS NOW. I KNOW THAT BACK IN THOSE YEARS I'M SURE WE EXPERIENCED SOME OF THE SAME CHALLENGES WITH IRRIGATION AND DROUGHT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW TO MANAGE THESE PROPERTIES. THAT'S UP FOR THE DEPARTMENT TO DECIDE AND THEY HAVE GREAT IDEAS AND GOALS AND OBJECTIVES. ALL THIS IS ABOUT IS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST IN IT, LET'S PUT THE MOST FAIR PROCESS TO GET THE VERY BEST POSSIBLE PROPOSALS TO MANAGE IT. AND LET'S AWARD THOSE TO THEM TO THOSE WHO MEET THE RULES AND DO A GOOD JOB OF RESPOND TO THE RFP. THAT THE ONLY THING I'M TALKING ABOUT. COUNCILOR BACA AND I MIGHT HAVE DIFFERENCES ON HOW TO MANAGE A PROPERTY, OR WHATEVER, I'M NOT SAYING THAT. YOU GUYS KNOW BEST WITH HOW TO MANAGE IT ALL AND HOW THESE PROPERTIES TO BE TAKEN CARE OF THE BEST. ALL I CAN SAY IS THERE'S MULTIPLE COMPLAINTS FROM NEIGHBORS AND OTHERS ABOUT HOW THEY'RE MANAGED RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE MANAGED BY SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN GIVEN A SHORT-TERM CONTRACT. I KNOW THAT'S NOT IDEAL. WE'RE BEING ASKED TONIGHT TO GIVE THAT PERSON A LONG-TERMING CONTRACT WITHOUT GOING THROUGH ANY KIND OF COMPETITIVE PROCESS. SO, ALL IT IS IS A COMPETITIVE PROCESS AND THAT'S IT. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT. AND I DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S TOO HARD, TOO DIFFICULT TO DO. WE DO THEM ALL THE TIME. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO IT IN A FEW WEEKS. IT COULD BE A MONTH OR TWO. IN THE MEANTIME, IT'S IN THE CURRENT CONTRACT TO MANAGE THE PROPERTY. AGAIN, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT A BETTER PROCESS TO BE ABLE TO GIVE US THE STAMP OF APPROVAL. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I THINK ONE THING COUNCILOR LEWIS AND I WILL AGREE ON IS THESE ARE JEWELS. THEY'RE A VALUABLE PART OF OUR PROPERTY. THESE GREEN SPACES WE GREW UP WITH IS IT'S EASY TO GROW ALFALFA. THEY DO THAT BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE CAREERS AND JOBS AND IT'S THEIR THING. AND YOU HAVE FOLKS LIKE MR. GALLEGOS WHO IS A FARMER. HE'S AN IRRIGATOR. HE CAN DESCRIBE EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING AND WHAT HIS CROPS ARE AND WHAT HE'S DOING AND WHY HE'S DOING AND WHY HE LOST OUT. HE DIDN'T MAKE ANY MONEY. NOW WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TAKING AWAY THE CONTRACT. IT WAS VERY CLEARLY PUT OUT THERE FOR FOLKS TO PUT OUT FOR. WE'RE TAKING AWAY FROM MR. GALLEGOS AT THIS POINT. YOU SHOULD THINK ABOUT THAT. HE'S PUT A LOT OF TIME AND ENERGY. AND HE'S MAKING THE BEST OF A BAD SITUATION. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I HAVE A SUGGESTION ACROSS THE BOARD. I SAID THIS BEFORE. WE AT THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE DON'T USE REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS ENOUGH. REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS WILL ALLOW US TO GET QUALIFIED ALL THE PROVIDERS THAT CAN DO THAT THING AND THEN WE CAN HIRE ALL OF THEM IF WE WANT TO FOR DIFFERENT PROJECTS. I WOULD URGE US AND THIS ADMINISTRATION AND PARKS AND REC, EVERYONE, ESPECIALLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THESE TYPE OF THINGS JUST DO REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATION WHICH WILL MAKE SURE EVERYBODY THAT CAN DO THIS WORK MEETS QUALIFICATIONS AND WE CAN HIRE THEM FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT PROJECT AND ALL THE DIFFERENT FIELDS. AND WE CAN BE NIMBLE. REQUEST FOR INFORMATION JUST DRAG OUT THE PROCESS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO TURN AROUND AND CAN'T HIRE OFF THEM. WE HAVE TO TURN AROUND AND DO AN RFP. PLEASE, PLEASE LET'S START USING USING THE REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS SO THAT WE CAN BE MORE NIMBLE AND HIRE FOLKS FOR MULTIPLE THINGS FOR MULTIPLE PROJECTS ACROSS THE CITY. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS. I DON'T KNOW IF FOLKS FROM OPEN SPACE LEFT. DIRECTOR SIMON, CAN YOU ANSWER ONE QUESTION FOR ME? I'M CURIOUS BECAUSE I WAS NOT OVERWHELMED WITH PEOPLE WHO WERE COMPLAINING ABOUT THESE AWARDS. IN FACT, I GOT ONE EMAIL FROM ONE PERSON. OFFICIALLY, HOW MANY COMPLAINTS HAVE WE RECEIVED FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT THESE LEASE AGREEMENTS? >> I BELIEVE WE RECEIVE ONE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: ONE. THE SAME PERSON FOR BOTH? >> YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THE ONE THAT FAILED TO RENEW AND THE ONE WE'RE CONSIDERING RIGHT NOW. >> YES. I BELIEVE THE ONLY COMPLAINT WE RECEIVED WAS FROM MR. HANES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU. I'M SORRY, MADAM PRESIDENT, ONE MORE QUESTION. I LOOKED AT THE CONTRACT. THEY HAVE A START DATE. WHAT HAPPENS IF WE -- FOR THE ONE WE DIDN'T PASS AND FOR THIS ONE THAT WE ALL KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING, WHAT WILL HAPPEN DURING THE TIME FRAME IT TAKES YOU TO CREATE AN RFP AND GET RESPONSES WHICH, NO OFFENSE TO PARKS AND REC, BUT I DON'T THINK THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE IS GREAT AT GETTING RFP TOGETHER AND GETTING THEM OUT THE DOOR AND SCORED AND GETTING THEM CHOSEN. WHAT HAPPENS TO THE LAND BETWEEN THE START DATE OF THE CONTRACTS WE'RE TURNING DOWN AND THE AWARD OF AN RFP WE START HOPEFULLY TOMORROW? WHAT'S THE TIME PERIOD AND WHAT HAPPENS TO THE LAND? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, WE DON'T KNOW. THE FARMERS ARE ON THE MONTH TO MONTH SITUATION. THIS IS EARLY IN THE SEASON. THEY HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION OF WHETHER THEY WANT TO INVEST IN THE PROPERTY OR NOT. I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE THAT DECISION FOR THEM. AND I DON'T WANT TO JEOPARDIZE THE OUTCOME. WE WANT OUR LANDS MANAGED -- IT'S THE PARTNERSHIP THAT WORKS. I DO FEAR THAT WE COULD HAVE NEGATIVE OUTCOMES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS. I'LL MAKE A QUICK STATEMENT THAT I'M A LITTLE ALARMED WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OPEN SPACE LAND THAT NEEDS TO HAVE ATTENTION OVER THE NEXT COMING MONTHS THAT WILL HAVE NONE. ACTUALLY, HEARING THE PASSION OF THE TWO GENTLEMAN HERE TONIGHT VOICE, I BELIEVE THEY MIGHT CONTINUE TO TAKE CARE OF THIS LAND FOR US. IF I WERE THEM, I PROBABLY WOULDN'T. I THINK WE'RE PUTTING OURSELVES IN A VERY, VERY DANGEROUS POSITION. AGAIN, THESE ARE OPEN SPACE PIECES OF LAND THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE MANAGED FOR WILDLIFE AND FOR PUBLIC USE NOT FOR FARMING. THESE ARE FOLKS THAT ARE WILLING TO GIVE UP A -- WE HEARD ONE GENTLEMAN. HE GAVE UP HIS ENTIRE YEAR'S COP TO MAINTAIN TOIL FOR THE NEXT YEAR BECAUSE THERE'S NOT WATER. I URGE US TO REALLY WORK THROUGH WHAT TIME PERIOD YOU CAN ISSUE AN RFP AND GET AN ANSWER AND GET THAT CONTRACT DONE AND GET THAT CONTRACT THROUGH CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE IT'S NOT SHORT. I'M VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THESE TWO PLOTS OF LAND. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. JUST REAL QUICK. HAVE WE EVER HAD AN RFP FOR THESE? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, WE HAVE NEVER DONE AN RFP. WE'VE USED DIFFERENT PROCUREMENT APPROACHES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: AND WHY WAS THERE NO WATER? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, THAT WOULD HAVE TO DO WITH THE CURTAILED ALLOTMENTS THIS YEAR FROM THE MRGCD. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: DID THAT JUST SHUT IT DOWN? >> SOME DISRUPTIONS CAUSED BY THE INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES ON THE CORRALES SITE WHICH HAVE SHORTED FARMERS ON THAT SIDE OF THE RIVER CONSIDERABLY. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: MADAM PRESIDENT, WHOSE FAULT WAS THAT? WAS IT THE MRGC THAT HAD ISSUES WITH THE WATER? >> YES. THE SIPHON IS A FACILITY -- >>COUN. SANCHEZ: MADAM PRESIDENT, REAL QUICK, THE LAST QUESTION IS IF WE DO MOVE TO AN RFP AND WE -- DOES THE TWO GENTLEMAN HERE HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPLY FOR THAT? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR, YES. WE QUALIFIED FARMERS FOR THESE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS. EVERYONE WHO SUBMITTED IN RESPONSE TO THE RAOI WERE QUALIFIED FARMERS. WE LIKE THE BATCH. THAT'S WHY WE OFFERED ALL THEM AN OPPORTUNITY. >>COUN. BASSAN: THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: NO. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: NO. >>COUN. LEWIS: NO. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: NO. >>COUN. BASSAN: NO. >> FAILS ON A 4-5. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOVING TO EC-370 REVENUE AND EXPENSE REPORT. I MOVE RECEIPT BE NOTED. SECOND FROM COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. COUNCILORS, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. BASSAN: ITEM D. EC-375. REQUEST AUTHORIZATION TO ESTABLISH A PROFESSIONAL SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH CHICANOS POR LACAUSA. LET'S MOVE TO PUBLIC COPT. -- COMMENT. >> WE HAVE LISA. >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. FOR CHICANOS POR LA CAUSA TO PROVIDE SERVICES. AND THEY HAVE A PATHWAY TO LIVELIHOOD AND CAREERS I THINK WOULD BENEFIT US ALL, NOT JUST THE PERSONS WHO ARE WILL BE RECEIVING THESE SERVICES. I WOULD URGE YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS BECAUSE REPRESENTATION MATTERS. AND THE MAJORITY OF OUR FOLKS IN THE PIT COUNT PORTION I DID HAVE HISPANIC CHICANO LATIN HERITAGE. I FEEL THAT BEING SEEN AND BEING HEARD AND BEING HUMANIZED BY PEOPLE WHO LOOK AND FEEL AS WE DO REALLY IS IMPORTANT TO MAKING THAT CONNECTION WHEN WE ASK PEOPLE TO CHANGE THEIR LIFE, MAKE DIFFERENCE CHOICES. THEY NEED A PARTNER TO TRUST. I URGE YOU TO SUPPORT IT. >> THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. WE'RE MOVING TO QUESTIONS. COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS. I'M GLAD WE HAVE SOMEBODY. ALTHOUGH, I QUESTION THE PROCESS. I HAD CONVERSATIONS, EMAILS WITH THE ADMINISTRATION. HHH DID NOT RECEIVE RESPONSES TO RFP PUT OUT FOR SERVICES DESCRIBED IN EC-375. IN THIS CASE THE CITY IS REQUIRED TO GET THE BEST OBTAINABLE PRICE OF OUR PROCRURMENT CODE. HHH STATED AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING THAT IT GOT THE BEST OBTAINABLE PRICE BECAUSE IT WAS BUDGETED FROM THE YEAR BEFORE. THAT'S THE COST THAT THEY WENT WITH. MS. KEEFE, IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION IS THAT ANSWER LEGALLY SUFFICIENT TO SATISFY THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE DEPARTMENT GET THE BEST OBTAINABLE PRICE ACCORD TO OUR PROCUREMENT CODE? >> COUNCILOR GROUT, THERE'S NO REAL DEFINITION OF BEST OBTAINABLE PRICE OR HOW YOU GO ABOUT DETERMINING THE BEST OBTAINABLE PRICE. IT REALLY IS LEAVING THAT UP TO THE DISCRETION OF THE DEPARTMENT AND I WOULD SAY THE ANSWER IS VAGUE. I WOULD WANT MORE INFORMATION AND CLARIFICATION ON REALLY WHAT THE PRICE IS AND THE MARKET PRICE IS AND THE PROCESS THE DEPARTMENT WENT THROUGH. THERE'S NO LEGAL WAY TO ANALYZE THE BEST OBTAINABLE PRICE. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING I ASKED THE ASSISTANT CAO WHY TWO CONTRACTS WERE PREDATED TWO MONTHS TO THE ACTUAL EXECUTION OF THE CONTRACT. HE SAID THAT THIS RATIFICATION LANGUAGE WHICH ALLOWS VENDORS TO START SERVICES BEFORE A CONTRACT IS SIGNED IS STANDARD LANGUAGE LIN CONTRACTS. I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. IS THAT ACCURATE? IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL LEGAL OPINION, IS IT ACCEPTABLE TO ALLOW WORK TO START BEFORE A CONTRACT IS EXECUTED AS A STANDARD PRACTICE? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, I WOULD NOT SAY STANDARD. I WOULD SAY THAT FROM TIME TO TIME WE NEED TO INCLUDE RATIFICATION LANGUAGE IN CONTRACTS. CITY LEGAL DOES DISCOURAGE THAT PRACTICE. OCCASIONALLY, A DEPARTMENT WILL HAVE TO BE IN A SITUATION WHERE THE SERVICES BEGIN AND THEN WE FINISH THE CONTRACT AND TO THE RATIFICATION LANGUAGE. I HAVE TO CONFESS I HAVE DONE THAT ONCE IN THE LAST THREE YEARS. IT'S NOT STANDARD LANGUAGE. IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN EVERY CONTRACT. IT'S ONLY INCLUDED WHEN NEEDED. AND WE DO DISCOURAGE IT. BUT SOMETIMES IT HAPPENS. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. WHAT ABOUT LIABILITY? WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A SIGNED CONTRACT, THERE'S MORE LIABILITY CORRECT? >> COUNCILOR GROUT, THAT'S WHY WE DISCOURAGE IT. AMONG THEM. INCLUDING THE FACT THE CONTRACTS HAVE AN INDEMNIFICATION CLAUSE. AND THOSE MIGHT NOT BE IN PLACE. IF SOMETHING HAPPENS IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME WE DON'T KNOW -- THERE COULD BE LIABILITY ON THE CITY. IF A DISPUTE ARISES DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME WE DON'T KNOW THE RESULT. THAT'S WHY WE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO HAVE THE CONTRACTS IN PLACE. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU FOR THE EXPLANATION. WHILE I AM THRILLED THAT THEY DO HAVE SOMEBODY TO WORK AT THE WOMEN'S FACILITY ON GIBSON. THE REASON I WANTED TO TAKE SOME TIME -- I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHY THERE WAS AN IMMEDIATE ACTION NEED FOR IT BECAUSE I WENT BACK AND HAD OUR COUNCIL STAFF FIND -- YOU ASKED US MANY TIMES TO DO IMMEDIATE ACTION AND IT TAKES QUITE A WHILE BEFORE THE CONTRACT IS EXECUTED. THIS PARTICULAR NONPROFIT HAS -- THEY'RE WORKING ON THE WEST SIDE. AND THEY'RE STARTING UP AND IT SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF DELAY IN GETTING THINGS UP AND RUNNING IN A TIMELY MANNER. ARE THEY GOING TO BE STAFFED TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AT THE NEW SHELTER FOR WOMEN? WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT IT DELAYS. GOING BACK TO THE PROCESS, FOR IMMEDIATE ACTION, IN NOVEMBER OF 24 THERE WERE TWO IMMEDIATE ACTIONS. AND WE APPROVED THEM IN NOVEMBER AND THE CONTRACT WAS SIGNED ONE MONTH LATER AND TWO MONTHS LATER. ONE OF THEM STILL HAS NOT BEEN INVOICED AT ALL. AND THERE IS A THIRD ONE THAT WE DID IMMEDIATE ACTION IN DECEMBER AND THE CONTRACT WAS EXECUTED TWO MONTHS LATER. WHEN YOU HAVE IMMEDIATE ACTION, WE NEED TO BE DOING IT THIS WEEK. AND YOU SHOULD HAVE ALL OF YOUR DUCKS IN A ROW TO GET THAT SIGNED ALL THE WAY. THAT IS MY CONCERN. WHY IMMEDIATE ACTION? AND TWO, I JUST DON'T LIKE HEARING THERE'S NOT CASE MANAGEMENT HAPPENING AND THESE PEOPLE ARE GETTING HELPED. I HAVE HEARD THIS QUITE A BIT. I DON'T LIKE TO HEAR THAT WHEN WE APPROVE A CONTRACT AND IT'S STILL NOT BEING DONE. THIS ONE PARTICULAR CONTRACT THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING INVOICED FOR IT YET. IT WAS APPROVED IN NOVEMBER. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE WORKING FOR FREE OR WHAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE PAYING THEIR BILLS IF THEY'RE NOT INVOICING. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE QUESTION IS, COUNCILOR GROUT, BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO SPEAK TO ALL OF THE ITEMS YOU JUST SPOKE TO. >>COUN. GROUT: WE . >> WE BRING ITEMS TO YOU FOR IMMEDIATE ACTION WHEN WE'VE BEEN DOING THE WORK TO MOVE A RELATIONSHIP ALONG AND WE'VE BROUGHT SOMETHING FORWARD WE BELIEVE WE STAND BEHIND. WE BRING THAT TO YOU AT THE TIME IN WHICH WE CAN NO LONGER TAKE ACTION WITHOUT YOUR AUTHORITY. SO WHEN WEWORK WITH THE PARTNER, IN THIS CASE WE'RE WORKING IN NONPROFIT PARTNERS, THEY ARE PUTTING TOGETHER ALL OF THEIR CAPABILITIES TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE THE CONTRACTS WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM. WE CANNOT GET TO A FINAL CONTRACT NEGOTIATION AND FINALIZE THAT CONTRACT FOR INK ON THE PAPER UNTIL WE GET THROUGH APPROPRIATE ACTION WITH YOU ALL WHERE YOU GIVE US AUTHORITY TO DO SO. IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WE GIVE AS MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE TO YOU ALL, WHICH YOU ASK FOR IN THE PROCESS COMPLETELY APPROPRIATE, BUT WE CANNOT GET TO FINAL WITH THESE PARTIES AND PUT IT BEFORE YOU BECAUSE THAT TAKES TIME, ENERGY, EFFORT, COST, FOR ALL OF THE NONPROFITS. WE'RE DOING A BALANCING ACT TO ENSURE WE'RE SUPPORTING THEM AND THEIRUBLE TO WORK WITH US. THIS IS NOT UNCOMMON ACROSS THE PUBLIC SECTOR. MULTIPLE TIMES TONIGHT IT'S SAID THE CITY IS BAD AT THINGS. RFPs AND THE PUBLIC SECTOR TAKE TIME. YOU HAVE TO GET IT RIGHT. YOU HAVE TO GET THE RIGHT TO COMPETE AND THE RIGHT TO GET A COMPLETE RESPONSE TO DO THE COMPETITION. IT'S COSTLY TO THEM. IT'S COSTLY IN THEIR TIME, ENERGY, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NONPROFITS THAT ARE DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO PULL THAT TOGETHER. NO NONPROFIT IS GOING TO STAFF UP BEFORE THEY HAVE A CONTRACT. THAT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE MANAGEMENT. NONE OF US WOULD DO SO. UNLESS YOU HAVE A BIG, GIANT TRUST FUND IN THE BACKGROUND SUPPORTING YOU, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO START HIRING PEOPLE AND ASKING PEOPLE TO GIVE NOTICE AT THEIR OTHER JOBS WITH THE HOPES THAT A CONTRACT WILL MAKE IT THROUGH A LENGTHY PROCESS. I FULLY RESPECT THAT WE WANT TO TAKE OUR TIME WHEN WE CAN. I RESPECT THAT BRUROCRACY AND THE HISTORIC OF BUREAUCRACY IS MAKE SURE WE DO GOOD BUSINESS. YOU ALL HAVE SAID TO US MANY TIMES, AND TONIGHT WE'VE HAD TWO EXAMPLES OF WHEN WE USED ALTERNATIVE SOLUTIONS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING INCLUSIVE BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD FROM YOU THAT RFPs CAN BE TOO ONEROUS, AND YOU SPECIFICALLY NOW TONIGHT HAVE DECIDED THAT WE DOWNTOWN WANT TO USE REQUEST FOR INTEREST WHERE WE QUALIFY INDIVIDUALS. NOW WE'RE HEARING YOU DON'T WANT US TO MOVE QUICKLY WHEN WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE A CONTRACT OR NONPROFIT AND BRING SOMETHING BEFORE YOU FOR IMMEDIATE ACTION. I WILL TELL YOU IN THIS CASE I BELIEVE WHEN WE BRING IF TO YOU FOR IMMEDIATE ACTION WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE POSSIBLY CAN DO AND NOW WE NEED TO GIVE THEM ASSURANCES AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE SO THEY CAN GET UP AND RUNNING. ALSO GOES FOR WHY WE POTENTIALLY HAVE RETROACTIVE. IF THEY HAVE DONE WORK WE SHOULD SUPPORT THEM FOR THE WORK THEY HAVE DONE. JUST BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T BEEN INVOICED DOESN'T MEAN WORK ISN'T DONE. EVERY VENDOR HAS THEIR CAPABILITIES AND HOW THEY DO THAT. THIS GROUP IS AN EXCELLENT NONPROFIT THAT HAS COME TO NEW MEXICO AND WE'RE FORTUNATE THEY WANT TO WORK WITH US. THEY'RE DOING AN EXCEPTIONAL JOB AT GATEWAY WEST AND THERE'S CASE MANAGEMENT THERE. I'M NOT SURE WHAT SOURCE IS DIFFERENT THAN THE FACT THAT WE KNOW THAT THEY HAVE OPERATING CASE MANAGEMENT HAPPENING AT THE GATEWAY WEST. THEY WILL BILL ISAND BASED UPON ON THE WAY THEY DO THAT WORK. MY FRUSTRATION COMES OUT BECAUSE THESE NONPROFITS ARE OUR PARTNERS. COMING TO YOU FOR IMMEDIATE ACTION HAS A LOT TO DO WITH HOW LONG IT MIGHT TAKE FOR YOUR PROCESSES TO BE -- I'M NOT SAYING THEY SHOULDN'T -- THAT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE COMMITTEE PROCESSES. WHEN WE'RE IN A POSITION AND WE'VE BEEN DOING THE WORK WE'VE BEEN DOING AND WE HAVE BEDS AVAILABLE AND READY TO GO AND WE WORKED THROUGH APPROPRIATE RFP, WE TRY OUR BEST TO DO SO, OUR TEAM DID A GREAT JOB THAT WE CAST THAT NET AS FAR AS WE POSSIBLY COULD. IN SOME CASES WE DID NOT HAVE RESPONSE FOR THOSE. WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN A POSITION THAT THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE TODAY IN THOSE SHELTER BEDS BEING PROVIDED CASE MANAGEMENT, BEING PROVIDED THE SUPPORTS AND ACCESS TO CONNECTIONS THAT THEY WILL NOW HAVE NO ONE WORKING WITH THEM AND IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR US TO SAY THE OPERATOR THAT'S THERE WILL HAVE TO STICK AROUND OUT OF THE GOODNESS OF THEIR HEART. THAT'S WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR US. TO CREATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE A SEAMLESS TRANSITION. ON CHICANO POR LA CAUSA, WE SPOKE MULTIPLE TIMES ABOUT THE TRANSITION PLAN WE NEEDED TO HAVE WITH HEADING HOME THAT WAS ON-SITE. WE WORKED CAREFULLY TO MAKE SURE WE INCLUDED ADDITIONAL PARTS INTO THE CONTRACT SO THAT TRANSITION OCCURS SEAMLESSLY. YES, IT TOOK TIME FOR US TO MAKE SURE WHEN YOU PROVED HERE WE INCORPORATED THOSE THINGS YOU ASKED AND ENSURE YOU WORKED THROUGH THE FINAL NEGOTIATIONS WITH THEM WHICH INCLUDED THEM SPENDING THE TIME AND ENERGY AND ADDITIONAL EFFORT NOW THEY KNEW WE HAD THE AUTHORITY TO CHECK THE REST OF THE BOXES SUCH AS INSURANCE AND EMPLOYMENT AND ALL OF THE OTHER PIECES THEY HAVE TO DO. I APPRECIATE YOU HAVE CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS, BUT IN FORM AND FUNCTION IMMEDIATE ACTION REPRESENTS UNNECESSARY SPEED, BUT I BELIEVE IN EVERY CASE WE'RE DOING THAT SO WE CAN CONTINUE THE PROCESS TO GET UNDER CONTRACT AND BE THOUGHTFUL IN THOSE NEGOTIATIONS. >>COUN. BASSAN:ING COUNCILOR GROUT, WERE YOU DONE WITH QUESTIONS? >>COUN. GROUT: I HAVE ONE COMMENT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT AND EXPLANATION. ON MY SIDE, THESE ARE TAXPAYER DOLLARS. THEY'RE NOT MY DOLLARS. SO WHEN THESE QUESTIONS COME UP AND I -- IT'S A BIG RESPONSIBILITY FOR US AS WELL. SO, $4.9 MILLION CONTRACT IS SOMETHING THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT -- ANY OF THESE CONTRACTS THAT WE'RE THOUGHTFULLY THINKING ABOUT THEM AND NOT RUSHING. I UNDERSTAND YOUR PROCESS AND THERE'S A PROCESS HERE TOO. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, TIME GOING TO STICK TO THE MAJOR POINTS I WANT TO CONTINUE TO REITERATE TO HHH AND THESE CONTRACTS. OUR CITY HAS BEEN IN A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE ONE PROVIDER TO RUN ALL OF OUR SHELTERS FOR THE LAST SIX YEARS THAT I'VE LOOKED AT. I'M AFRAID WE'RE HEADING DOWN THE ROAD AGAIN. THE SAME ROAD. WE'RE JUST GOING TO PICK WHOEVER HAPPENS TO WANT TO PLAY WITH US AT THAT MOMENT AND IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK. ONE PROVIDER CANNOT HANDLE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OUR FACILITIES. I URGE US, PLEASE, TO NOT DO THAT AGAIN. BECAUSE WE'RE -- I'M FEELING LIKE WE'RE GOING DOWN THE SAME ROAD. THE OTHER THING I CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT IS IF WE LOOK AT THE BREAKDOWN OF THIS MONEY BEING SPENT. WHEN WE LOOK AT PERSONNEL COST, WE'RE PAYING 100% OF THE PERSONNEL COST FOR THIS SITE. LIKE YOU SAID, THEY NEED TO GET UP AND RUNNING. THAT'S $930,000 GOING DIRECTLY TO PERSONNEL. DIRECT OPERATING COSTS, $617,000. INDIRECT OPERATINGING COST, BASICALLY $1.8 MILLION. EACH PROVIDER HAS TO GIVE US A BREAKDOWN OF THEIR OPERATING BUDGET. WHERE ELSE DO THEY GET FUNDING FROM. I'VE ASKED THIS AGAIN FOR THE WEST SIDE SHELTER. WHERE ARE THEY AT WITH MEDICAID REIMBURSEMENT APPLICATIONS. I HAVE THE SAME CONTRACT WITH FRIS CONTRACT. WHERE ARE THEY AT BEING ABLE TO BILL MEDICAID? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I WANT HER TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL CLEAR. WE HAVE FIVE PROVIDERS THAT WE HAVE BROUGHT FORWARD FOR MANAGING. AND WE APPRECIATE AND UNDERSTAND WHERE WE HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY. WE ALSO KNOW THERE'S VALUE IN GIVING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PROVIDER TO WORK WITH INDIVIDUALS ACROSS THE CONTINUUM. THAT IS A CONSCIOUS DECISION WE FELT WITH CHICANO POR LACAUA AND WORK WITH OUR TREAT AND NAVIGATION -- HOUSING AND TREATMENT NAVIGATION CENTER FOR WOMEN TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY MOVE THEM ALONG IN THAT TO THE NEXT LEVEL AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR US. GIVES THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW CAPABILITIES ACROSS THE TIMELINE INDIVIDUALS. IMPORTANT TO NOTE, THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE HAVE MULTIPLE OPERATORS THAT ARE INTERESTED THAT HAVE BEEN HERE OR WILL BE ENTERING AND COMING TO OUR COMMUNITY. THAT INCLUDES COMMUNITY BRIDGES, ENDEAVORS, YDI, AND HORIZONS. AND HEADING HOME IS STILL HERE AND OPERATING WITH US. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR. WE HAVE DIVERSIFIED THOSE OPERATORS. WE'RE CONSCIOUSLY WORKING WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM AND THEIR CAPABILITIES. >> COUNCILOR BASSAN, COUNCILOR ROGERS, THANKS FOR THE QUESTION. THE PROVIDERS IS CREDENTIALED TO BILL MEDICAID IN OTHER STATES. AND THEY DO SO EFFECTIVELY. WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW THAT WORK AND WHAT THEY'RE BILLING FOR. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S COMPLICATED FOR BILLING FOR GATEWAY WEST IS THEY'RE OPERATING THE FACILITY. MOST OF THE STAFF THAT THEY HAVE THERE LIKE SECURITY, DORM MONITORS, FOOD DISTRIBUTORS, BUS DRIVERS, CAN'T BILL FOR THOSE PARTICULAR STAFF. THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. THERE ARE CASE MANAGEMENT. THERE'S A SMALL MANAGEMENT AND THAT'S BILLABLE UNDER PEER SUPPORT. THEY'LL HIRE STAFF OR HELPING THE STAFF THAT THEY HAVE GET CREDENTIALED AS PEER SUPPORT AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. THE NEXT STEP IS THEY WILL NEED TO BE CREDENTIALED WITH THE STATE. AND THEY'LL NEED TO COMPLETE THEIR MEDICAID PROCUREMENT. THEY'RE WORKING ON ALL THOSE THING. WHEN WE WORK WITH PROVIDERS IN THAT FIRST YEAR, WE THINK OF IT IS A START UP YEAR AND DO THE ESTIMATION. AND THE SECOND YEAR SEE PROVIDERS START TO BILL FOR THE THINGS THEY CAN BILL FOR. AS SOON AS THEY GET THAT PROCESS GOING THEY'LL BILL FOR THE SERVICES AVAILABLE. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I'M AWARE OF THE PROCESS OF BILLING MEDICAID. HAVE THEY APPLIED WITH THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO? >> YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: JUST LOOKING AT THE FTE WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IN THE CONTRACT IS NOT A FULL-TIME, BUT .20 SUPPORTIVE HOUSING MANAGER. .20 WE'LL BE ABLE TO HELP HOUSING NAVIGATION. SIX SUPPORTIVE SPECIALISTS THAT EQUAL $249,000. THREE CPSW. AND THREE INTAKE SPECIALISTS. OF WHICH, THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE WILL PAY FOR 100% OF THOSE. WHEN I LOOKED AT THE BREAK DOWN OF WHERE THEY GET, THE ONLY GRANT FROM THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES IS $1.6 MILLION. WHEN ASKED HOW MUCH OF THE BUDGET WILL GO TO THIS BUDGET, ZERO PERCENT. AND I LOOK AT ALL OF THE OTHER REVENUES FROM THE CITY AT THE WEST SIDE SHELTER, TWO CONTRACTS FOR THAT. WHAT IS ALBUQUERQUE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH HOUSING STABILITY FOR $100,000 OUT OF THE 6.9 WE'RE ABOUT TO PAY THIS PROVIDER? CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? >> COUNCILOR BASSAN, COUNCILOR ROGERS, COULD YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION? YOUR QUESTION IS ABOUT WHAT THE FUNDING STREAMS ARE FOR THE PROGRAM? >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. MY QUESTION IS WHAT IS ALBUQUERQUE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH HOUSING STABILITY? >> I'LL HAVE TO REACH OUT TO THE PROVIDE ANSWER FIND OUT THAT ANSWER FOR YOU. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. IT SAYS WE'RE PAYING THEM $100,000 TO DO THIS. I APPRECIATE TO KNOW THAT CONTRACT. AND HOUSING STABILITY ONLY AT $100,000 IS NOT ENOUGH, IN MY OPINION. THE POINT I'M MAKING ALL THAT IS WE'RE PAYING THEM A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY FOR A START UP, FOR A COMPANY THAT IS ALREADY BEEN IN BUSINESS NOT IN NEW MEXICO, BUT IN OR THE STATES. I JUST FEEL LIKE WE'RE THE START UP CAPITAL. AND IT'S TAKING A LOT OF OUR MONEY AWAY FROM THE BENEFICIARIES WHO ARE THE PEOPLE THAT NEED. LET ME SAY INTEREST -- FOR THE PUBLIC, THE MONEY GOING TO UNSHELTERED PEOPLE IN ALL THESE MILLIONS IS 1609 # $160,000. THESE ARE ESSENTIAL KITS FOR CLIENTS. BUS PASSES, STATE I.D, GAS CARD, WORK CLOTHES, AIR FAIR, APPLICATIONS TO DEPARTMENTS, AND SNACKS. $160,998. NOT ENOUGH. MY PET PEEVE IS CONSTANTLY THAT I WANT TO SEE THE DIRECT ASSISTANCE TO BENEFICIARIES BE IN THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND THE AMOUNT GOING TO COFFER THESE NONPROFITS POCKETS IS NOT AS HIGH. WE NEED TO PICK PROVIDERS ALREADY IN BUSINESS AND WHO CAN DO THIS WORK ALONGSIDE OF US. AND IN MY OPINION, I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY DO IT CHEAPER IF WE HIRE STAFF AND DO IT OURSELVES THAN TO CONTINUE TO CONTRACT OUT AND YES I'M LOOKING AT OUR ADMINISTRATION, CONTINUE TO CONTRACT OUT FOR THE BIGGEST ISSUE FACING THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE, WHICH IS HOMELESSNESS. I WOULD ARGUE WHY WON'T WE TO THE SAME FOR POLICING? WE HAVE A HUGE POLICING SHORTAGE. WE DON'T HIRE IPS ARMED SECURITY, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE THE NATIONAL GUARD. I'M SAYING IF WE USE THE SAME STRATEGY THAT WE ARE FOR HOMELESSNESS FOR POLICING -- AND I ASK DIRECTLY OF OUR MAYOR, WHY DON'T WE DO THAT. THE LIST IS LONG. WE CAN'T CONTROL TRAINING, USE OF FORCE, QUALITY. I WOULD ARGUE IT'S THE SAME WITH HOMELESSNESS. YE HAVE TO FLIP THIS. IT'S NOT WORKING. CONTRACTING OUT FOR THE BIGGEST PROBLEM OF OUR CITY IS NOT WORKING. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: JUST TO COMMENT ON IMMEDIATE ACTION. THIS COUNCIL APPROVES A LOT OF IMMEDIATE ACTION. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH PROPOSING IMMEDIATE ACTION ON ANYTHING. BUT WHAT YOU DO HAVE TO BE PREPARED FOR IS WHEN YOU PROPOSE IMMEDIATE ACTION TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A CASE. WITHOUT BEING FRUSTRATED ABOUT IT. YOU DON'T NEED TO BE FRUSTRATED ABOUT IT. IT'S A PART OF WHAT THIS. YOU JUST HAVE TO MAKE THE CASE. THOSE ARE LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS. WHEN YOU PROPOSE IMMEDIATE ACTION YOU JUST HAVE TO EXPECT A COUNCILOR IS GOING TO SAY WHY DO WE NEED IMMEDIATE ACTION. THERE'S GOING TO BE CONCERN AND QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THE PROCESS WENT. IS IT THE RIGHT PROCESS. THAT'S JUST GOING TO BE WHAT HAPPENS. SAME WAY WE APPROVED POLICIES AND WE GET UPSET ABOUT YOU NOT IMPLEMENTING THOSE POLICIES. I THINK SOMEHOW WE DO THINK SOMETIMES IMMEDIATE ACTION SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN. OBVIOUSLY IT SHOULD HAPPEN, THERE'S A PURPOSE, BUT YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE CASE FOR IT. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. >>COUN. BASSAN: ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE TO ADD A COUPLE QUICK THINGS THAT I HAVE TO SAY I HAVE BEEN PREACHING. DON'T HIRE THE CITY, HIRE SPECIALISTS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE TO PUT THAT OUT THERE, JUST IN CASE YOU WIN THAT BATTLE, COUNCILOR. ALSO, I'M CURIOUS, AND I DON'T WANT TO PUT PARAMETERS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF WHAT I'M ASKING IS POSSIBLE. RECENTLY, I HAD SOMETHING THAT I REACHED OUT AND WORKED TOGETHER ON MAKING SURE TO RATIFY SOMETHING RETROACTIVELY. THERE'S CONSEQUENCES AND THINGS HAPPEN. I'M CURIOUS IF THERE'S A WAY, AND YOU CAN BRAINSTORM AND WORK WITH ADMIN, FIGURE OUT A TIMELINE IN THE LAST FEW YEARS. HOW MANY CONTRACTS ARE WE RATIFYING PRIOR TO CONTRACT APPROVAL? WHAT IS THE TIMELINE ON IT. MAYBE PART OF IT IS -- I'M ANTICIPATING WE'RE DOING MORE AND MORE LIKE THIS. BUT, I'M ALSO RECOGNIZING THAT WE HAVE MORE CONTRACTS PROBABLY TOOP THAN WE USED TO. HOWEVER LONG AGO. I WANT TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND. AT THE THE SAME TIME, I'M CURIOUS WHAT KIND OF RABBIT HOLE ARE WE GOING DOWN BY CONTINUING TO DO THIS? IF OUR STAFF CAN BRING STORM, IF ADMIN CAN BRAINSTORM, IF THERE'S A WAY TO FIGURE THIS OUT, DO WE CONTINUE DOWN THIS PATH? IS THERE A WAY TO STOP IT? IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO DO BETTER OR ADMIN TO DO BETTER? COUNCILORS, THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL OF EC-375. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: NO. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >> PASSES ON AN 8-1 VOTE. >>COUN. BASSAN: EVERYONE, WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK HERE. YOU GET A FEW EXTRA MINUTES TONIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK AT 8:35. >>COUN. BASSAN: WE ARE BACK, EVERYONE. I HOPE YOU ENJOYED YOUR BREAK. WE LEFT OFF AT FINAL ACTIONS. WE'RE ON O-72. COUNCILOR BACA, BY REQUEST. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. FINAL ACTION, BY REQUEST AMENDING ROA1994, SECTION 2788, 2789 OF THE INDEPENDENT HEARING OFFICE TO CLARIFY PROCEDURE FRRZ APPEALS. I MOVE DO PASS. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: SECOND. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION AND SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. THERE'S NO ONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. >>COUN. BACA: THIS IS MERELY A CLEAN UP BILL BY THE CITY CLERK. IF FOLKS HAVE QUESTIONS, OTHERWISE I URGE SUPPORT. QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >>COUN. BASSAN: DO WE HAVE COUNCILOR PEÑA BACK? OKAY. MADAM CLERK, O-72 FOR DO PASS. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: I VOTE YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: NO. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >> THANK YOU. PASSES ON AN 8-1 VOTE. >>COUN. BASSAN: ALL RIGHT. WE'RE ON AGENDA ITEM B UNDER FINAL ACTIONS. O-75, COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE ADOPTING A NEW ARTICLE 25 IN CHAPTER 9, ROA1994 TO BE KNOWN AS DISTRESSED PROPERTY ORDINANCE AND AMENDING THE LODGERS TAX. I MOVE DO PASS. SECOND FROM COUNCILOR GROUT. WE HAVE A COUPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. LET'S GO TO THEM FIRST AND WE'LL -- WAIT. WILL YOU REMIND ME, DID WE DECIDE TO DO AMENDMENTS AND THEN GO TO COMMENTS SO THEY WERE ABLE TO -- IF IT'S AMENDMENTS FIRST AND THEN DO PUBLIC COMMENT WE'RE GOING TO TRY SHOT OUT -- TRY THAT OUT. SO THE PEOPLE WATCHING CAN KNOW HOW WE CHANGED THAT. AND THAT WILL ALLOW SOME TIME FOR THEM TO RETURN. I WILL MOVE AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. THIS IS AMEND SECTION FOUR -- UNDER SECTION FOUR CAMPILATION -- REVISED ORDINANCES OF ALBUQUERQUE NEW MEXICO, 1994 DISTRESSED LODGING PROPERTY ORDINANCE. SECTION 1 TO 2. I WILL MOVE THIS AMENDMENT. IF THERE'S A SECOND, I'LL EXPLAIN IT. SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. THE AMENDMENT AIDATES THE BILL'S COMPILATION SECTION TO MAKE SURE ALL PROVISIONS ARE INCORPITTED INTO THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. WE'RE ON AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, I'M GOING TO BACK UP JUST A SMIDGE TO GO TO EXPLAIN THIS BILL. THIS CAME, AND I KNOW WE HAVE DIRECTOR BARELA HERE. THIS IS MY REQUEST. THIS CAME DOWN BECAUSE WE HAVE PROBLEMATIC HOTELS AND MOTELS THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT CAUSE MORE AND MORE PROBLEMS. IT WAS THIS GRAY AREA OF POTENTIAL FOR ENFORCEMENT. THE ADMIN WANTS CHANGES TO GO AFTER THE BAD ACTORS IN THE PROCESS. AND SOME OF THE GOOD ACTORS AND THE TOURISM AND LODGING INDUSTRY CAME TO US AND MADE SURE TO EXPRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS BECAUSE OF THE SUBSTITUTE IT YIELDED QUITE A BIT OF COMPROMISE AS TO WHAT THE CONCERNS WERE TO MAKE SURE WE WEREN'T ACTUALLY PUTTING MORE HARM TO THE PEOPLE. WE'RE REALLY JUST HERE WITH THEIR BUSINESS TRYING TO PROVIDE LODGING AND FOLLOW ALL OF THE RULES. SO, I DO FEEL LIKE WE WORKED REALLY WELL WITH THE INDUSTRY FOR THE MOST PART. I THINK THEY LEFT -- I KNOW THEY LEFT AND REACHING OUT TO ME AND SAYING THIS IS A REALLY GOOD PROCESS. THANKS FOR THE THE ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE BETWEEN THE ADMIN AND THEM. I WANTED TO GIVE YOU MY OPEN THAT I SPACED-OUT ON AT THE BEGIN. WE'LL NOW GO TO AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I MOVE FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. BEGINNING ON PAGE TWO, LINE 33, AMEND IT TO CHANGE THE GUEST LOGBOOK TO ADD IN AFTER ADDRESS IF AVAILABLE, AFTER PHONE NUMBER IF AVAILABLE, AND LICENSE PLATE FOR ALL GUESTS, IF AVAILABLE. I'LL MOVE THAT FLOOR AMENDMENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR ROGERS. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, I GET THE POINT OF THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATION. I SUPPORT IT. IT DOES BOTHER ME THAT WHILE WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE WHO OWN PROPERTIES ARE FOLLOWING OUR LAWS WE ARE INADVERTENTLY MAKING IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR UNHOUSED NEIGHBORS TO SCRAPE ENOUGH MONEY TOGETHER TO GO AND STAY IN A MOTEL FOR A NIGHT BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT HAVE AN ADDRESS OR PHONE NUMBER OR LICENSE PLATE FOR A VEHICLE. I THINK ASKING IF THEY DO HAVE THOSE THINGS IS ONE THING, BUT IF THEY DON'T I DON'T WANT THEM TO NOT BE ABLE TO RENT FOR A NIGHT WHEN THEY'RE FORTUNATE TO FIND ENOUGH MONEY TO STAY SOMEWHERE SAFE FOR A NIGHT OR TWO. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I WAS ALSO HAVING THE CONCERNS OF WHAT THIS MEANT FOR OUR OWN MOTEL VOUCHER PROGRAM AND OUR OWN ABILITY TO ACTUALLY HOUSE PEOPLE IN HOTELS. COULD SERIOUSLY AFFECT OUR OWN PROGRAMS. I APPRECIATE THIS AMENDMENT. SO, KNOWING THIS IS BY REQUEST FROM THE ADMINISTRATION, THAT'S MY QUESTION. DID WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT OUR OWN MOTEL VOUCHER PROGRAM THAT WE FUND THAT DON'T -- SPECIFICALLY FROM HHH, HOW WILL THIS AFFECT OUR OWN MOTEL VOUCHER PROGRAM? >>COUN. BASSAN: DIRECTOR VARELA. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. WE WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT EXACT ISSUE. WE VERIFIED THAT IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR THE VOUCHER PROGRAM YOU DO NEED TO HAVE IDENTIFICATION. SO, THIS DOES NOT HARM PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE VOUCHER PROGRAM. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THAT'S FOR PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE VOUCHERS OR TRANSITIONAL? FOR MOTEL VOUCHERS IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, I WON'T ARGUE TO THE CONTRARY, BUT THAT'S NOT THE INFORMATION PROVIDED TO ME. >>COUN. ROGERS: I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE IN PLANNING AND NOT HH. I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THAT ANSWER. I UNDERSTAND FROM WORKING ON THE PROGRAM AND MOTEL VOUCHER TASK FORCE THAT COUNCILOR GROUT JUST WORKED FOR WITH THE HOTELS AND PROVIDERS, THAT WAS A BIG POINT OF CONVERSATION FOR DATA. IT IS NOT REQUIRED, WHICH IS WHY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE HMIF SYSTEM AND THE IDENTIFIER THAT FOLLOWS THEM THROUGHOUT THE PROGRAM. WE WORKED AT LENGTH, AND I DON'T NEED THE ANSWER BECAUSE WE JUST FINISHED DOING THIS IN THE VOUCHER PROGRAM. I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO HINDER PEOPLE TO BE HOUSED IN THE VOUCHERS. >>COUN. BASSAN: I DON'T KNOW IF DR. VERPLEOUGH IS ON THE PREMISES. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, ALAN BRADEN IS COMMUNICATING BY PHONE. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I'M WITH COUNCILOR ROGERS ON THIS ONE IN REFERENCE TO MAKING SURE WE HAVE INFORMATION ON THESE INDIVIDUALS. IF THERE'S DAMAGE OR IF THERE'S ISSUE CAUSED, WE NEED TO KNOW WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE AND CONTACT THEM TO TELL THEM TO MELLOW OUT OR YOU'RE NOT WELCOME HERE BECAUSE YOU'RE USING DRUGS. THIS ONE SAYS NAME AND ADDRESS IF AVAILABLE. MAYBE THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE AN ADDRESS, BUT THEY'LL HAVE AT LEAST HAVE NAME. MOST HAVE PHONE NUMBERS, BUT IF THEY HAVE -- I THINK IT'S JUST IMPORTANT THAT FOR THE SECURITY PURPOSES OF THE HOTEL OR ANYBODY AROUND THEM OR ANYONE IN THE AREA. MY WHOLE CAREER, EVERY CHYME WE -- WRNG ESPECIALLY IF VA LNT CRIME OR ANY CRIME -- HAVE SOME INVESTIGATIVE TOOLS AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THOSE INVESTIGATIVE TOOLS IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE. IF NOBODY IS DOING ANYTHING WRONG, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE ISSUES WITH PROVIDING AN I. D. >>COUN. BASSAN: I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, WHAT YOU SAID AND BEFORE TO ME IS CONTRADICTING EACH OTHER. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING IT CORRECTLY. REAL QUICK, COUNCILOR, BECAUSE TO ME I WANT TO ACTUALLY MAKE SURE TO CIRCLE BACK WITH DIRECTOR VARELA ON THE IF AVAILABLE PART. I CAN RESPECT THE THEORY AND HOPES AND DESIRES, BUT I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, WHERE IT YOU ARE GOING TO BE STAYING IN ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES PRETTY MUCH RIGHT NOW PEOPLE THAT ARE STAYING THERE, IF I GO OUT OF TOWN OR STAY SOMEWHERE I HAVE AN I.D. AND I DO IT, AND I UNDERSTAND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT UNHOUSED PEOPLE ON VOUCHERS. SADLY, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO STAY THERE AND SAY I DON'T HAVE THAT AVAILABLE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'RE OFF THE HOOK. LENDING ME TO SAY I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS. I WANT TO -- I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN SUPPORT THIS. TO ME, IT MAKES IT NULL AND VOID AND ELIMINATES WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GO FOR. FROM WHAT YOU INDICATED, YOU WERE SAYING ONE THING AND ANOTHER. >>COUN. ROGERS: WHAT I'M SAYING IS THERE ARE A LOT OF FOLKS WHO DON'T HAVE THESE AVAILABLE. SPECIFICALLY IDs. IN OUR MOTEL VOUCHER WORK TASK FORCE WE ASKED HOW THAT WAS HANDLED AT THE HOTELS FOR THIS PROJECT DIRECTLY FROM THE HOTELIERS. THERE IS A REQUIREMENT FOR THEM TO INTO CERTAIN SYSTEMS LIKE HMIS THAT DOES GIVE THEM IDENTIFIERS. THEY CAN DO PHOTOS FOR THOSE IDENTIFIERS. IF THEY DON'T HAVE AN I.D. THERE'S STILL A WAY TO IDENTIFY WHO WE PLACED IN THE HOTEL AND WE ALSO REQUIRE PROVIDERS TO KEEP THAT INFORMATION OF WHERE AND WHO THEY PLACED WHERE. >>COUN. BASSAN: DIRECTOR, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK WHAT -- THIS IS BY REQUEST. I KNOW I WORKED WITH YOU AND THE ADMINISTRATION A LITTLE BIT. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK HOW DOES THIS AFFECT THE BILL IF IT PASSES? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, COUNCILOR ROGERS HAS A VERY GOOD POINT. FIRST OF ALL, THESE ARE HOTELS THAT ARE IN TROUBLE. THEY HAVE GONE FROM LEGITIMATE OPERATIONS TO BASICALLY HARBORING NOT IN THIS CASE VICTIMS OF DIFFERENT PREDIBBINGTS BUT PEOPLE ON THE RUN WITH FELONY WARRANTS. THE CONCERN WAS THE WELL-INTENTIONED AMENDMENT IS THAT FELON ON THE RUN JUST SIMPLY HAS TO SAY I DON'T HAVE THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE MY NAME OR ADDRESS. SUDDENLY, WE'LL HAVE NO IDENTIFICATION ON THE PERSON. I DO REALLY LIKE THE FACT THAT COUNCILOR ROGERS SAID THAT TO GET INTO THE VOUCHER PROGRAM IT SOUNDS LIKE IT IS THE NONPROFIT THAT IS ADMINISTERING THE VOUCHERS THAT GETS YOU THE HOTEL ROOM. WE ALREADY HAVE AN IDENTIFYING ABILITY RIGHT THERE. I DO NOT THINK -- I MISINTERPRETED AND I THOUGHT MAYBE NUMBER HAS A VOUCHER AND SHOW UP AT THE HOTEL. THEY'RE GETTING SIGNED UP BY A CASE WORKER. IN THAT CASE I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO GET THE HOTEL ROOM. THEY HAVE IDENTIFICATION. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I GO BACK TO COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN? AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THERE'S A LOT OF MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT THIS. IF WE LOOK AT THE BILL, WHAT THE BILL SAYS IS THAT IF YOU ARE A TROUBLED HOTEL OR MOTEL AND YOU'VE DONE CERTAIN THINGS, AND THAT LIST IS PROVIDED IN THE LEGISLATION, THEN YOU HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ENHANCED OPERATIONAL REQUIREMENT. THERE'S A SECOND WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT IN THIS AMENDMENT THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN I.D. AND ALL THOSE THINGS I DON'T AGREE WITH. THE PART THAT WE'RE AMENDING RIGHT NOW OR I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND IS THOR PART THAT SAYS WITH THE GUEST LOGBOOK. YOU ALREADY HAVE TO HAVE THOSE OTHER THINGS, BUT FOR THE GUEST LOGBOOK THEY'RE MAINTAINING A GUEST LOGBACK AND IT SAYS INCLUDING NAME, DRESS, PHONE NUMBER, AND LICENSE PLATE. ALONG WITH THE ROOM NUMBER AND DURATION OF STAY RECORDS MUST BE FOR ONE YEAR. I WANT EVERYONE THAT NEEDS A HOUSING VOUCHER TO GET ONE. NOT EVERYBODY HAS A HOUSING VOUCHER. FOLKS YOU SEE ON THE STREETS WHEN THEY'RE ABLE TO SCRAPE UP ENOUGH MONEY FOR A NIGHT OR TWO, THEY GO TO -- AND THEY DO NOT GO TO THE FOUR SEASONS. THEY CANNOT AFFORD THAT. THEY GO TO THE LOWEST RENT PLACES AVAILABLE WHICH ARE IN GENERAL SOME OF THESE THAT WILL BE HAVING THIS ADVANCED OPERATIONAL REQUIREMENT TO GET A ROOM. THEY MAY NOT HAVE -- THIS DOES NOT SAY AN I. D. IT SAYS WE HAVE TO ASK THEM THEIR NAME, ADDRESS, PHONE NUMBER, LICENSE PLATE. THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE AN ADDRESS. UNHOUSED NEIGHBORS DON'T HAVE ADDRESSES. ALL I'M SAYING IS WE SHOULD NOT DISQUALIFY AN UNHOUSED PERSON FROM RENTING A ROOM EVEN IN WHAT WE WOULD CALL THE FLEABAG MOTEL BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE ALL THEY CAN DO. AND IT MIGHT BE BETTER THAN SLEEPING IN THE ARROYO TONIGHT. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ SAID EVERYBODY HAS AN ADDRESS. THAT'S JUST NOT TRUE. MANY PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE ADDRESSES. I THINK WE CONTINUALLY SAY WE DON'T LIKE SEEING UNHOUSED PEOPLE ON OUR STREETS, BUT NOW WE'RE SAYING THAT IF THEY SOMEHOW SCRAPE UP ENOUGH MONEY, WE DON'T WANT THEM TO BE THERE EITHER. I THINK THAT'S A REALLY LARGE PROBLEM WITH THIS BILL. AND ALL I'M SAYING IS SOMEBODY DOESN'T HAVE AN ADDRESS THAT DOES NOT DISQUALIFY FREM THEM FROM SLEEPING IN A HOTEL. WITH THAT, I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: I KNOW THAT WAS A CLOSE. I WANT A TECHNICAL CORRECTION. IN THE COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE IT'S UP TO 45 DAYS. THE MOTION IS FOR DO PASS OF AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO TO COMMITTEE SUB O-75. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: NO. >>COUN. BASSAN: NO. >> PASSES ON A 7-2 VOTE. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOVING TO AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I MOVE FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS ON PAGE TWO LINE 24. REMOVING THE REQUIREMENT FOR A VALID GOVERNMENT-ISSUED PHOTO I.D. AND REPLACING IT WITH THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS ALREADY IN OUR ORDINANCE UNDER THE CADILLAC CONVERTER ORDINANCE. THE ONE THAT REQUIRES -- I'LL EXPLAIN IT IN A MINUTE. REPLACING THAT REQUIREMENT FOR A VALID GOVERNMENT-ISSUED I.D. WITH A PHOTO THAT COULD BE USED FOR IDENTIFICATION PURPOSES. WITH THAT, I'LL MOVE THAT FLOOR AMENDMENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND FROM COUNCILOR ROGERS. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. WE ALREADY HAVE IN THE CATALYTIC CONVERTER ORDINANCE AN ALLOWANCE FOR FOLKS THAT DON'T HAVE GOVERNMENT-ISSUED I.D.s TO STILL USE PAWNSHOPS. WE DID WANT TO BE ABLE TO TRACK THOSE FOLKS. SO, THAT ORDINANCE SAYS YOU HAVE TO TAKE PHOTOS. IT HAS TO BE CLEAR, DISCERNIBLE, COLOR STILLN HOTELS. AGAIN, MANYN HOTELS. AGAIN, MANY PEOPLE DON'T HAVE VALID GOVERNMENT-ISSUED PHOTO I.D. AND MANY PEOPLE THAT DO HAVE THOSE HAVE THEM REMOVED FROM ENCAMPMENT. SO, THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE THEM AVAILABLE AT ANY GIVEN TIME. JUST GIVING SOME FLEXIBILITY. PEOPLE WHO ARE UNHOUSED CAN STAY SOMEWHERE SAFE WITH A LOCK ON THE DOOR FOR A NIGHT OR TWO IF THEY'RE LUCKY ENOUGH TO GET THAT MUCH MONEY TOGETHER. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ANYTHING TO ADD, DIRECTOR? OKAY. I GET THIS IN THEORY. ACTUALLY, FROM MY EYE CONTACT WITH DIRECTOR VARELA I'M NOT OPPOSED IT -- TO IT. I RECALL WITH SOME OF THE MEETINGS WE HAD WITH THE LODGING PEOPLE THAT OWN THESE BUSINESSES, I CAN HEAR SOME OF THEM TELLING US THEY'RE CONCERNED NOW THE REQUIREMENT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO TAKE A PICTURE AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE FEET TAKING A PHOTO IMAGE OF A PARON AT THEIR BUSINESS IF THEY DON'T VAN I. D. I GET IT, FROM THE OTHER ONES, THAT'S MY CONCERN. ANYBODY ELSE? COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I THINK WE'VE PROVIDED ENOUGH ABILITY FOR ANYBODY TO GET AN I.D. AND GO THROUGH THE PROPER PROCESS. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DO SHOW AN I. D. STUFF HAPPENS WITH THESE PLACES. A LOT OF DRUG TRAFFICKING CAN HAPPEN. AND A LOT OF OTHER VIOLENT CRIME KZ HAPPEN AND THERE'S NO WAY TO TRULY IDENTIFY AN INDIVIDUAL WITH JUST A PICTURE AND STATING SOME NAME JUST DOESN'T DO IT FOR ME. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN TO CLOSE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I WANT TO CLARIFY. WE'RE NOT TELLING ANY BUSINESS OWNER WHAT THEY DO OR DO NOT HAVE TO TRACK FOR PEOPLE THAT CHECK IN. ALL I'M SAYING IS UNDER THIS ORDINANCE WE CANNOT REQUIRE THEM TO REQUIRE A PHOTO I.D. IF YOU GO TO THE EMBASSY SUITES, THEY'RE GOING TO REQUIRE AN I. D. HAVING THE FLEXIBILITY FOR FOLKS THAT WANT TO GIVE SHELTER TO OUR UNHOUSED NEIGHBORS SEEMS LIKE A VERY SMALL THING TO BE ABLE TO OFFER THAT FLEXIBILITY WITHIN THE LAW. IF YOU HEAR, MADAM PRESIDENT'S POINT, ABOUT TAKING A PHOTO. WE'RE ALSO TAKING THEIR PHOTO I.D. AND TAKING A PHOTO OF THAT. WE'RE ALREADY CREATING WORK FOR FOLKS TO MAINTAIN THESE STANDARDS. I DISAGREE THAT EVERYBODY CAN GET A VALID GOVERNMENT-ISSUED PHOTO I. D. I DO THINK I'VE MET MANY, MANY PEOPLE OVER THE YEARS WHO ARE UNHOUSED THAT HAD ONE AND THEN IT WAS CLEARED AWAY IN AN ENCAMPMENT OR DECAMPMENT. THEY LOST IT. IT WAS STOLEN. I CERTAINLY CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MUST FEEL LIKE TO HAVE ALL OF YOUR THINGS IN AN UNHOUSED SITUATION. I DO KNOW THAT THINGS LIKE THAT ARE VERY HARD TO HOLD ON TO. AGAIN, WE DON'T LIKE SEEING THEM ON THE STREET, WE SHOULD WELCOME THEM INTO HOTELS AND MOTELS IF THEY CAN SCRAPE UP ENOUGH MONEY TO STAY FOR A FEW NIGHTS. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: WE'RE ON AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE TO O-75. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: NO. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: NO. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: NO. >>COUN. BASSAN: NO. >> PASSES ON A 5-4 VOTE. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY OTHER AMENDMENTS ? WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THANK YOU, LISA HAS LEFT. WE HAVE ANAMI FOLLOWED BY ADEO ON ZOOM. >> COOL. I THOUGHT I MISSED PUBLIC COMMENT. HEY Y'ALL. I APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION THAT WAS JUST HAD. I WANTED TO ADD THAT MOST HOTELS HAVE SECURITY CAMERAS. THOSE CAN BE USED TO TAKE A PHOTO OF SOMEONE. I ALSO WANTED TO ADD THAT WHEN I WAS TRAFFICKED AND WHEN I GOT OUT OF THAT SITUATION THE VERY FIRST THING THAT MY TRAFFICKER DID WAS TAKE MY I. D. THE IDEA THAT EVERYONE CAN GET AN IDEA, MAYBE. BUT WHO KNOWS IF EVERYONE IS ABLE TO HOLD THEIR I.D.? WHAT WAS THE OTHER THING. IN SECTION FOUR, DID YOU FIX THE THING WHERE IT REFERENCES SECTION ONE. I KNOW I'M NOT ALLOWED TO ASK QUESTIONS. Y'ALL FIXED IT? YAY. LAST THING I WANT TO SAY IS WHEN I COMMENTED ON THE ORDINANCE DURING THE FGO, DIRECTOR VARELA RESPONDED TO THE IDEA THAT THERE MIGHT BE ISSUES THAT MAKE IT HARDER FOR VICTIMS OF TRAFFICKING AND DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SITUATIONS TO ESCAPE THE SITUATION. THE RESPONSE IS IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN I.D. YOU SHOULDN'T BE STAYING AT ONE OF THESE CRIME HOTELS. THAT'S INCREDIBLY DISMISSIVE. I MAKE THESE PUBLIC COMMENTS BECAUSE I HAVE IDEAS THAT ARE VALUABLE. AND TO BE DISMISSED INFEWERERATING. NOT EVERYONE HAS EVERYTHING. NOT EVERYONE HAS WHAT THEY NEED. AND NOT EVERYONE IS ABLE TO MEET THESE STANDARDS. STANDARDS LIKE THIS ONE VERY INTENTIONALLY TARGET PEOPLE EXPERIENCING POVERTY. >> ADEO. >> PEOPLE GETTING THEIR I.D. TAKEN ALL THE TIME. I AGREE IT'S PRETTY INSULTING TO ASSUME THAT EVERY POOR PERSON JUST HAS AN I. D. AND THAT THOSE -- AGAIN, THOSE I.D.s AREN'T MALICIOUSLY TORN UP AND DESTROYED BY COUNCILOR SANCHEZ'S FAVORITE -- THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: WE'RE ON THE BILL AS AMENDED. ANY COMMENTS? COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I HAVE JUST A FEW THINGS TO SAY. THIS ORDINANCE DEFINES GUESTS AS SOMEONE WHO IS OVER 18. WHY ARE WE NOT TRACKING MINORS? MINORS ARE SOMETIMES TRAFFICKED OUT OF THESE TROUBLED HOTELS? >>COUN. BASSAN: I'M GOING TO REFER TO DIRECTOR VARELA. OR ADMIN. OR LEGAL. PART OF ME THINKS IF I HAD TO GUESS YOU CAN'T REALLY REQUIRE THINGS OF A MINOR. >>COUN. GROUT: SOMETIMES THERE ARE CHILDREN UNDER 18 IN THE HOTELS. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, ONE OF THE GOALS IS TO FIGHT ANY TYPE OF HUMAN TRAFFICKINGS. I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY HOTELS THAT RENT ROOMS TO MINORS. MINORS WHO HAVE BEEN IN VERY DIFFICULT SITUATIONS THAT NEEDED A PLACE TO STAY AND AN ADULT HAS TO GO OVER AND RENT A ROOM FOR THIS. THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO HELP FIGHT AND PREVENT HUMAN TRAFFIC BUT NOT TO TRACK PEOPLE. THE REFERENCE MADE A LITTLE WHILE AGO WAS IN RESPONSE TO COMMENT I MADE WHEN I SAID THAT A PERSON IN A LOT OF TROUBLE EXPERIENCING THAT KIND OF DISTRESS PROBABLY SHOULD NOT BE STAYING IN ONE OF THE UNSAFE HOTELS. I STAND BY THAT. WHOEVER IS HELPING THEM OUT SHOULD BE TAKING THEM TO A BETTER PLACE THAN ONE OF THESE UNSAFE HOTELS. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. THIS BILL ALSO REQUIRES GUESTS TO HAVE A PHOTO I.D., MANY TIMES VICTIMS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE THINK THEY'RE LEAVING ABUSERS AND THEY DON'T HAVE AN I.D. AND I KNOW WE'RE GOING AFTER THE TROUBLED PROPERTIES. I HOPE THERE AREN'T ANY ROADBLOCKS THAT CREATE THAT ISSUE. WHY DIDN'T WE AMEND THE OVERNIGHT LODGING ORDINANCE? BECAUSE THE OVERNIGHT LODGING ORDINANCE ALREADY REQUIRES A GUEST LOG IN? >> I'LL DEFER TO GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS TO ANSWER. I BELIEVE THE IDEA WAS TO HAVE A FREESTANDING ORDINANCE SO IT WAS CLEAR THIS WAS THE POLICY OF ADMINISTRATION. >>COUN. BASSAN: CAN WE GET IF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS HERE? THANK YOU. COUNCILOR GROUT, DO YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT QUESTION WE CAN GO TO NEXT? >>COUN. GROUT: NOPE. THAT'S MY LAST ONE. I'LL COME BACK TO YOU ONCE WE GET GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS. NOW WE'LL MOVE TO COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: IT STATES IN HERE IF IT'S FOUND IN A VIOLATION OF 12-MONTH PERIOD. IS IT A ROLLING 12-MONTH OR CALENDAR 12-MONTH? >> ROLLING 12-MONTH. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SOME CLARIFICATIONS. IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THE TWO SPEAKERS WERE VICTIMS OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND NEVER REPORTED IT. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT TO DO IF YOU SOMEHOW HAD YOUR DRIVERS LICENSE OR I.D. STOLE OTHER THAN TAKEN AWAY, THERE'S POLICE OFFICERS ALL OVER THE PLACE TO HELP OUT TO MAKE SURE YOU GET THE HELP AND SUPPORT YOU NEEDED AND ALSO A PATH TO GET YOUR DRIVERS LICENSE OR I.D. BACK. WE NEED TO HELP THE VICTIMS. AND IF THE VICTIMS DON'T COME FORWARD, THEY'RE PROBABLY BEING THREATENED WHICH IS AN ISSUE. THOSE ARE THINGS WE NEED TO HAVE I.D.s FOR, THOSE ARE THINGS THE POLICE NEED TO BE TALKED ABOUT. THOSE ARE VERY IMPORTANT ISSUES THAT SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE DEALT WITH AT THAT LEVEL. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. MY QUESTION WAS THE OVERNIGHT LODGING ORDINANCE ALREADY REQUIRES A GUEST RREGISTER. WHY DIDN'T WE JUST AMEND THAT? >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM CAO, MR. ANDERSON, ANYBODY FROM ADMINISTRATION, PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTION. >> MADAM CHAIR, WE HAVE MS. SCHULZ TO HELPED CRAFT THIS BILL. SHE CANWER -- ANSWER THE QUESTION. >> WE DID CONSIDER PUTTING THIS ENTIRE ORDINANCE UNDER THE GENERAL OVERNIGHT ORDINANCE. THAT WAS APPLICABLE TO ALL HOTELS. THIS ORDINANCE IS APPLICABLE IF YOU GET ON THE BAD LIST. WE WANTED TO KEEP IT SEPARATE WITH WHAT ALL HOTELS HAVE TO COMPLY WITH VERSUS BAD HOTELS. THIS IS INTENTIONAL TO SPLIT IT UP. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. HOW DO YOU GET ON THE BAD LIST? >>COUN. BASSAN: I'M GOING TO DEFER TO ADMIN. IT IS LISTED AS CODE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATIONS OVER THE 12-MONTH PERIOD. AND IN ADDITION TO SOME OTHER THINGS IN THE BILL. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: I READ THE VIOLATIONS IN A 12-MONTH PERIOD. I DIDN'T SEE THE OTHERS THAT POPPED UP. THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION. IS THERE MORE THAN JUST THE ONES THAT MADAM PRESIDENT POINTED OUT? >> COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, 9-25-4, THIS APPLIES TO ANY LODGING ESTABLISHMENT THAT HAS THREE ITEMS FAILED TO MAKE LODGERS TAX OR HOSPITALITY FEE PAYMENTS FOR THREE CONSECUTIVE MONTHS HAVE BEEN FOUND IN ANY CITY ORDINANCE IN THREE OR MORE WITHIN A 12-MONTH PERIOD. OR HAS BEEN FOUND IN VIOLATION OF THE NUISANCE ABATEMENT ORDINANCE 11-11-1-1. ON ONE OR MORE OCCASIONS IN THE PREVIOUS MONTHS. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE ADMIN? ALL RIGHT. WE'RE ON O-75 AS SUBSTITUTED AND AMENDED. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: NO. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: NO. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: NO. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: NO. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >> PASSES ON A 5-4 VOTE. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOVE TO O-77. COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. ADOPTING A 3/7 OF ONE% GROSS RECEIPTS TAX. I MOVE DO PASS. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT FOR THE POINT OF CONVERSATION. COUNCILOR BACA TO OPEN. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. IT HAS BEEN NEARLY 40 YEARS SINCE WE DID THE ORIGINAL QUALITY OF LIFE. COUNCILOR HOOVER BEING THE SPONSOR WHO SHORTLY AFTER AS I UNDERSTAND ANNOUNCED HIS RETIREMENT. BECAUSE THESE TYPES OF BILLS TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF INITIATIVE. IT REQUIRES PEOPLE TO BE A LITTLE BOLD, A LITTLE COURAGE. I'M SURE HE WASN'T THINKING ABOUT THAT AT THE TIME. I BELIEVE WHAT WOULD MATTER TO HIM IS EARLIER THIS YEAR COUNCILOR LEWIS TRANSFERRED $1 MILLION IN GO BOND MONEY FROM HIS DISTRICT TO MY DISTRICT IN ORDER TO PROTECT WHAT COUNCILOR HOOVER CREATED. TINGLY BEACH BOND. THOSE WILL BE USED BY FOSTER KIDS IN ANOTHER TWO WEEKS. WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING BOLD AND LONGLASTING. THE BIO PARK, EXPLORA, OPEN SPACE, BALLOON MUSEUM. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY REGRETS THOSE WERE BUILT. THIS ALLOWS US TO TAKE AN INCREMENTAL STEP TOWARD A BRIGHTER FUTURE AND A DEDICATED ENDIDATE TO ENSURE WE'RE USING THE FUNDS RESPONSIBLY. THE REDUCTION AND CRIME AND HOMELESSNESS ITSELF DOES NOT MAKE FOR VIBRANT CITY. A TRULY VIBRANT CITY GOES BEYOND ADDRESSING PROBLEMS, IT MUST INVEST IN GROWTH AND OPPORTUNITY. THE 3/8 WILL HELP PROVIDE CLEANER, SMARTER AND VIBRANT COMMUNITIES THAT SUPPORTS FAMILIES AND SENIOR AND YOUTH. IT'S NOT A SURPRISE THAT ALBUQUERQUE'S BUSINESS SUCCESS IS DEEPLY TIED TO ALBUQUERQUE'S QUALITY OF LIFE. IT WAS A SURPRISE TO LEARN WHEN I SPOKE TO MEMBERS OF THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY WE ALSO -- ONE OF THE PRIMARY DIFFICULTIES ATTRACTING DOCTORS AND HEALTH PROFESSIONALS IS QUALITY OF LIFE. THEY'RE WORRIED FOR THE QUALITY OF THEIR FAMILIES. THE SAME WAY WE ARE. THIS TAX FUND -- THIS WILL FUND REAL TANGIBLE IMPROVEMENT. THIS WILL HELP STIMULATED THE LOCAL ECONOMY. THIS FUND IS SPREAD ACROSS ALL NINE DISTRICTS JUST LIKE OTHER COUNCIL SET ASIDES. LET'S BE CLEAR. NOBODY ON THIS DAIS WILL VOTE TO RAISE TAXES. THIS BILL ASKS THE PEOPLE OF ALBUQUERQUE IF THEY'RE WILLING TO INVEST IN THEMSELVES. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: TRUE TO WHAT WE DESCRIBED, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO AMENDMENTS. COUNCILOR BACA, YOU HAVE THE FIRST AMENDMENT. LABELED A IN YOUR iPADS. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. ON PAGE 4, LINE 8, INSERT SECTION NINE. >>COUN. LEWIS: POINT OF ORDER. WE DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: JUST LIKE ON THE BILL BEFORE THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AMENDMENTS FIRST AND THEN DO PUBLIC COMMENT SO THE CHANGES CAN HAPPEN AND THE PUBLIC CAN MAKE COMMENT ON THOSE CHANGES AND WE MOVE FORWARD. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT I KNOW THAT'S ON YOUR DISCRETION. ON THIS ONE, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC. I KNOW WE HAVE TO DO PUBLIC COMMENT. WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO DO AMENDMENTS. SO, I'D RECOMMEND WE DO PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST AND -- >>COUN. BASSAN: IT WAS FROM THE PUBLIC'S REQUEST WE DO IT THIS WAY. IN GENERAL. WHY IS WHY I'VE BEEN HONORING IT IN THAT MANNER. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM CHAIR, THE MOTION IS ON THE FLOOR. I'M GOING TO CALL THE QUESTION. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: SECOND. >>COUN. BASSAN: OKAY. THIS GOT DONE WITH ME BEFORE TOO. WE'REIGATE -- WE'RE -- WHEN SOMEBODY CALLS THE QUESTION, DOES THAT MEAN WE MUST GO TO THE QUESTION. IT HAPPENED EARLIER THIS YEAR, WHERE WE DIDN'T, AND IT WAS AT THE DISCRETION OF THE PRESIDENT. >> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN YOU CALL THE QUESTION YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE VOTE. IT TAKES THREE-QUARTERS OF THE BODY TO QUAL THE QUESTION. >>COUN. BASSAN: WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON CALLING THE QUESTION. >>COUN. LEWIS: I'LL WITH DRAWL THE MOTION IF WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR LEWIS, IT'S MY DISCRETION AND GOES THROUGH THE PUBLIC'S REQUEST THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST AND WE'LL DO THE PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER THE AMENDMENT THROUGH THEIR REQUEST. COUNCILOR BACA WITH AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM CHAIR, POINT OF ORDER. I'M GOING TO CALL THE QUESTION. >>COUN. BASSAN: ALL RIGHT. THERE'S THE MOTION FOR CALLING THE QUESTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND FROM COUNCILOR GROUT. [ ROLL CALL ] -- >>COUN. BASSAN: BEFORE WE DO THAT. HOW MANY IS IT GOING TO TAKE? >> IF THERE ARE NINE COUNCILORS, 7 VOTES. IF THERE'S 8, IT TAKES SIX. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE ARE NINE, SO IT WILL TAKE 7. >>COUN. BACA: NO. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: NO. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: NO. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: NO. >> IT FAILS ON A 5-4 VOTE. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR BACA, AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THIS IS -- MY APOLOGIES. ON PAGE FOUR LINE EIGHT, SECTION NINE AND RENUMBER THE SUBSEQUENT SECTIONS ACCORDINGLY. THIS IS TO PROVIDE OVERSIGHT FOR THE COUNCIL SINCE COUNCILORS, AS THIS BILL IS WRITTEN, COUNCILORS HAVE DISCRETION ON HOW THE FUNDING IS USED. THIS IS JUST TO PUT GUARDRAILS TO MAKE SURE WE ARE TRACKING AND RECORDING WITH NOT JUST US BUT THE ADMINISTRATION AS WELL. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION FOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. IS THERE A SECOND? THERE'S A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR ROGERS. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? SEEING NONE. MOTION IS FOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE TO O-77. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: NO. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: NO. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >> PASSES ON A 7-2 VOTE. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR PEÑA, YOU HAVE THE NEXT TWO AMENDMENTS. I WILL LET YOU CHOOSE THE ORDER OF WHICH. I THINK YOU PROBABLY HAD A CHOICE. WE HAVE AMENDMENT B. IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT TO MOVE FIRST? >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I WAS HOPING THAT COUNCILOR LEWIS COULD READ THOSE AMENDMENTS FOR ME. I'M NOT FEELING VERY WELL. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR LEWIS. LETTER B, NUMBER TWO. O-77. >>COUN. LEWIS: THIS AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. ON PAGE THREE, LINE SIX, AMEND AS FOLLOWS. STRIKE SECTION B, ONE AND TWO. STRIKE SUBSEQUENT YEARS AND NUMBER THREE. ADD IN THE BLUE LINE. AMENDMENT ELIMINATES THE DEDICATION TO SPECIFIC PROJECTS, THIS ALLOWS FOR IMPORTANT FLEXIBILITY SO COUNCIL CAN MAKE APPROPRIATIONS FOR THE BUDGETARY PROCESS. MADAM CHAIR, LET ME MOVE IT FIRST. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION FOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. FOR THE RECORD, IT WOULD STRIKE, TO BE CLEAR FOR THE PUBLIC, STRIKING ONE AND TWO AND WOULD SAY ALL REVENUE SHALL BE ALLOCATED EQUALLY AMONG THE NINE CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS BASED ON DETERMINATION FROM EACH CITY COUNCILOR AS TO THE APPROPRIATE USE OF FUNDS. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: SECOND. >>COUN. LEWIS: I WANTED TO MOVE COUNCILOR PEÑA'S AMENDMENT. I KNOW THERE'S A NUMBER OF OTHER AMENDMENTS. MAYBE OTHER COUNCILORS INTEND OR NOT INTEND ON MOVING. MY CONCERN HERE IS THAT AT THIS POINT NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW WE DIVVY THIS UP BETWEEN DIFFERENT COUNCIL DISTRICTS. I DON'T AGREE WITH THE BILL RIGHT OUT. I DON'T AGREE WITH THE BILL WHETHER THESE AMENDMENTS PASS OR NOT. I DIDN'T WANT TO BYPASS NOT HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC BUT ONE OF THE REASONS FOR CALLING THE QUESTION IS I THINK ALL WE'RE GOING TO DO TONIGHT WITH THESE AMENDMENTS IS WE START ARGUING FOR DIFFERENT PROJECTS. AND IF WE GET INTO THAT, I THINK ALL OF US ARE PRETTY GOOD AT ARGUING FOR THE NEED. WE ALL PROBABLY COULD MAKE A REALLY GOOD CASE FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS IN ALL OF OUR DISTRICTS. ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THIS BILL IS IT DOES PICK WINNERS AND LOSERS. AND I THINK ALL WE'RE GOING TO DO BY ADDING HELPS IS CONTINUE TO PICK WINNERS AND LOSERS. THERE'S NO WAY WE'RE GOING TO GET TO A REAL FAIR AGREEMENT ON THAT. AT SOME POINT, BEFORE WE SPEND A GOVERNMENT OF TIME DOING THAT, I THINK WE SHOULD VOTE ON THIS BILL AS IT STANDS. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE ABLE TO SAY YOUR THING. WE'RE ON AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. IF WE CAN KEEP IT TO -- >>COUN. LEWIS: IT'S GERMANE TO THIS AMENDMENT AND ANY OTHER AMENDMENTS THAT MIGHT COME UP. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I JUST WANTED TO SAY I APPRECIATE COUNCILOR LEWIS READING THE AMENDMENT. IT WASN'T WITH THE EXPECTATION FOR HIM TO VOTE YES. IF HE DOESN'T WANT TO VOTE, I UNDERSTAND. HE WAS READING IT FOR ME. >>COUN. BACA: THIS AMENDMENT WOULD COMPLETELY DEFEAT THE PURPOSE OF THE BILL. VOTERS SHOULD HAVE SOME SENSE OF WHAT THEY ARE VOTING FOR. OF COURSE, I ALSO WOULD NEVER SPEAK FOR ANOTHER COUNCILOR IN THEIR DISTRICT. YEAH, I AM COMPLETELY AGAINST THIS. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR PEÑA, DID YOU WANT TO CLOSE ON THIS AMENDMENT? >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I URGE YOU SUPPORT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM CLERK. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: NO. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: NO. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: NO. >>COUN. LEWIS: NO. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: NO. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: NO. >>COUN. BASSAN: NO. >> FAILS ON A 2-7 VOTE. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOVING TO AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE. COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. IF COUNCILOR LEWIS WOULD READ THAT INTO THE RECORD AGAIN, JUST FOR THE PURPOSE OF READING IT INTO THE RECORD. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, THIS FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE, ON PAGE THREE, LINE SIX, AMEND AS FOLLOWS. SECTION B, ALL REVENUE SHALL BE ALLOCATED AS FOLLOWS. FIRST TWO YEARS, AL -- SHALL BE DEDICATED TO COMPLETING THE WEST GATE COMMUNITY CENTER. ANY EXCESS REVENUE FOLLOWING THE AQUATIC AND COMMUNITY CENTER SHALL BE DEDICATED TO THE CIBOLA LOOP. EXCESS REVENUE FOLLOWING THE ALLOCATION OF NEEDS SHALL BE ALLOCATED TO THE DOWNTOWN PERFORMING ARTS CENTER IN DISTRICT TWO. STRIKE NUMBER TWO. IT SAYS SECOND YEAR. AND ANY ACCESS REVENUE SHALL BE ALLOCATED EQUALLY AMONG THE NINE CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS. AND ADDING WITH EACH COUNCILOR DETERMINING THEIR DISTRICT'S USE OF THE FUNDS AS WE APPROPRIATE USE OF FUND FOR THE DISTRICT IN GOALS OUTLINED IN SECOND 5A. ALL REVENUE SHALL BE ALLOCATED AMONG THE NINE CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS. STRIKE WITH EACH CITY COUNCIL DETERMINING EACH USE OF THE FUND. ADDING BASED ON DETERMINATION FROM EACH CITY COUNCILOR AS TO THE APPROPRIATE USE OF FUND FOR THEIR DISTRICT. CONSISTENTS WITH THE GOAL OF OUTLINING SECTION 5A. THIS WILL ALLOW THREE PROJECTS IN DIFFERENT AREAS TO BE FULLY FUNDED BEFORE ALLOCATING TO A NEW PERFORMING ART CENTER IN DISTRICT TWO. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. COUNCILOR PEÑA, DID YOU WANT TO OPEN OR -- GO TO QUESTIONS? >>COUN. PEÑA: URGE YOUR SUPPORT. YOU CAN GO TO QUESTION, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY OTHER ITEMS? COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. YOU KNOW, MY TIME HERE ON THE COUNCIL AND IN MY PREVIOUS ELECTED POSITION, I DON'T THINK I HAVE SEEN AN AMENDMENT WHERE THE SPONSOR'S DETAILS WERE COMPLETELY TAKEN OUT AND SOMEONE ELS WERE PUT IN. ESSENTIALLY CO-OPTING THE BILL. MIGHT AS WELL CROSS MY NAME OFF THE BILL. I ACTUALLY WOULD BE VERY FINE IF SHE PUT THESE IN AS ONE OF THE PROJECTS TO VOTE IN. BUT TO TAKE DO IT AND TAKE WHAT I'VE WRITTEN IN IS RIDICULOUS. I DO NOT SUPPORT THIS. I URGE EVERYBODY ELSE NOT TO SUPPORT IT. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR PEÑA, I'M GOING TO ASSUME YOU'RE URGING SUPPORT. DID YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE? >>COUN. PEÑA: THE POINT OF THE AMENDMENT WAS THAT'S EXACTLY HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE SPONSOR AND THE ALLOCATION OF JUST IN HIS DISTRICT. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION IS FOR PASS OF AMENDMENT NUMBER FLEE THREE TO O-77. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: NO. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: NO. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: NO. >>COUN. LEWIS: NO. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: NO. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: NO. >>COUN. BASSAN: NO. >> FAILS ON A 2-7 VOTE. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. I BELIEVE YOU HAVE AMENDMENTS? >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I WILL CROSS OUT MY FIRST AMENDMENT. I WILL MOVE FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR. THIS IS ON PAGE THREE LINE SIX, STRIKING SECTION B5, IN ITS ENTIRETY. TAKING OUT ALL OF THE DEDICATION LANGUAGE, WHICH FAVORS ONE PROJECT OVER ANOTHER PROJECT, ONE COUNCIL DISTRICT OR ANOTHER COUNCIL DISTRICT WITH THAT LANGUAGE STRICKEN. THE MONEY GOES INTO THE GENERAL FUND AND THIS BODY, WHOEVER IS SERVING ON THE BODY AT THE TIME DOES THE ADULT THING AND CHOOSES PRIORITIES IN A BUDGET SYSTEM MUCH LIKE WE CHOOSE WHAT WE'RE FUNDING ALREADY. SO, WITH THAT, I'LL MOVE FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION, AND SECOND FROM COUNCILOR ROGERS. QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I THINK THE ADULT THING IS TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT YOU'RE VOTING ON. AS WITH THE PREVIOUS ONE, I DO NOT SUPPORT THIS. I URGE OTHERS NOT TO SUPPORT IT. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN TO CLOSE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I DO URGE YOUR SUPPORT BECAUSE I THINK THE IDEA WHY WOULD BE ALLOCATING 80 TO $86 MILLION TO ONE COUNCIL DISTRICT OVER ANOTHER COUNCIL DISTRICT IN THE FIRST COUPLE OF YEARS IS PRETTY INSULTING. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYONE UP HERE, I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR OTHERS, I SPEAK FOR MYSELF, THAT DOESN'T WANT THE NORTH DOMINGOA AQUATIC CENTER TO BE DONE. BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE DECIDED BY THIS BODY. AND AN APPROPRIATION JUST LIKE WE APPROPRIATE EVERYTHING ELSE THAT COMES BEFORE THIS BODY. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION IS FOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: NO. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: NO. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: NO. >>COUN. BASSAN: NO. >> PASSES ON A 5-4 VOTE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THATM PRESIDENT, I'M PASSING AROUND FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FIVE. BEGINNING ON PAGE ONE, LINE TWO, AMENDING THE TITLE AS FOLLOWING. ADOPTING A 3/8 OF ONE PERCENT GROSS RECEIPTS TAX TO CREATE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING FUND. I'VE ADDED IN ALL THE WHEREAS CLAUSES AND BASICALLY CHANGING THIS FROM QUALITY OF LIFE TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING FUND BECAUSE AS WE HAVE ALL HEARD TIME AND TIME AGAIN THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE PRESSING IN OUR COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW IS A HOUSING CRISIS. WE HAVE UNHOUSED PEOPLE. WE HAVE PEOPLE BECOMING UNHOUSED. WE ARE HAVING PEOPLE PRECARIOUSLY HOUSED. WE PUBLICLY SAY ALL THE TIME OUR PRIORITY IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IF WE'RE GOING TO BE RAISING 80 TO $86 MILLION A YEAR EVERY YEAR FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS, IT SHOULD GO FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I'LL MOVE FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FIVE. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND FROM COUNCILOR ROGERS. ANY OTHER QUESTION OR COMMENTS? >>COUN. BACA: MADAM PRESIDENT. I'M THE SPONSOR OF THE BILL, AND THE BILL IS NO LONGER MY INTENTION. CAN WE CALL THE QUESTION AND GET PUBLIC COMMENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: WE CAN CALL THE QUESTION ON THE AMENDMENT. COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I CHECKED OUR RECORD OUT OF CURIOSITY. WE SAID IT WILL GENERATE $80 MILLION FOR -- IS THAT PER YEAR? I MISSED IN THE PACT -- PACKET. HOW DO WE KNOW WHAT THE REVENUE WILL BE? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, BASED ON THE CURRENT -- LAST YEAR'S FY24 AUDITED 3/8 HOLD ARMLESS -- HARMLESS TAX IT RAISED $80 MILLION. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. JUST TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS, THIS IS RAISING GROSS RECEIPTS TAX ACROSS THE BOARD. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON AMENDMENT NUMBER FIVE? COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I 100% AGREE ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THE LEGISLATURE ALREADY APPROPRIATED $117 MILLION FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER BILL FOR JUST HOUSING. I DO NOT SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN TO CLOSE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I'LL JUST SAY WE HAVE LISTS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS THAT ARE READY TO GO IF WE WERE TO JUST HAVE GAP SIGNING THINGS. AND THOSE LISTS TOTAL UP TO $300 MILLION AND MORE. SO, THE IDEA THAT MAYBE YOU'RE GOING TO GET MONEY FROM THE LEGISLATURE TO PAY FOR SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING DOES NOT NEGATE THE NEED FRUFORDABLE HOUSING IN OUR COMMUNITY. THIS TAX GOES ON FOR 20 YEARS. I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED FUNDING FOR 20 YEARS MORE THAN WE NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. ESTIMATES SHOW WE'LL NEED TO PUT 5,000 UNITS A YEAR FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. AND HAVING THIS LEVEL OF TAX WOULD ALLOW US TO DO THAT AND CERTAINLY IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WILL BE FIXED OVERNIGHT WITH $117 MILLION FROM THE LEGISLATURE IN ONE YEAR. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM CLERK, AMENDMENT NUMBER FIVE FOR O-77. >>COUN. BACA: NO. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: NO. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: NO. >>COUN. LEWIS: NO. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: NO. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: NO. >>COUN. BASSAN: NO. >> THAT FAILS ON A 2-7 VOTE. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT. I MOVE TO CALL THE QUESTION. >>COUN. BASSAN: IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND FROM ALL THE COUNCILORS. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: NO. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: NO. >> THAT PASSES ON A 7-2 VOTE. >>COUN. BASSAN: THE MOTION IS FOR A DO PASS TO O-77 AS AMENDED. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: NO. -- >>COUN. BASSAN: HOLD ON ONE SECOND. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, WE HAVEN'T DONE PUBLIC COMMENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: I UNDERSTAND THAT, WHICH IS WHY I CALLED THE QUESTION. THE COUNCIL SAID AND VOTED TO CALL THE QUESTION. THAT'S THE NEXT THING TO PROCEED. TO THE PUBLIC, I VOTED NO. I BELIEVE COUNCILOR ROGERS MIGHT HAVE VOTED NO TO GET TO PUBLIC COMMENT. WITH THAT -- >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT. I'LL WITHDRAW THE CALL. I WOULD ASK, MADAM PRESIDENT, YOUR DISCRETION THAT WE HEAR FROM PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN TAKE THE VOTE. >>COUN. BASSAN: NO. THE MOTION IS FOR O-77 AS AMENDED. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: NO. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: NO. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: NO. >>COUN. GROUT: NO. >>COUN. LEWIS: NO. >>COUN. PEÑA: NO. >>COUN. ROGERS: NO. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: NO. >>COUN. BASSAN: NO. >> THAT FAILS. O-9. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, POINT OF ORDER. LET ME ASK OUR ATTORNEYS, IS THERE ANY CONCERN ABOUT NOT HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC COMMENT? IF THERE IS, I'LL BE GLAD TO MAKE A MOTION FOR A REVOTE AND GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. AT THE PRESIDENT'S DISCRETION. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, THERE IS ANOTHER BILL THAT'S COMING UP RIGHT NOW. WE CAN HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT AND MOVE FOR WITHDRAW BECAUSE THAT BILL IS NECESSARY. WE NEED THE BILL TO PASS FOR THE SECOND BILL TO TAKE ACTION ON IT. YOU CAN LIST IT PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE NEXT BILL AND MAKE A MOTION TO WITHDRAW. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, THAT MOTION WE JUST DID PASSED. THAT BILL THAT FAILED IS REALLY NOT CODIFIED UNTIL THE NEXT BILL AS WELL. THEREFORE, THERE'S A CHANCE FOR THE PUBLIC TO WEIGH IN BEFORE THERE'S A FINAL VOTE. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR. I WOULD URGE YOU IF YOU WANT TO CALL THE QUESTION, LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC FIRST. OTHERWISE IT'S THE DISCRETION OF THE PRESIDENT. IT'S BEEN SAID THREE OR FOUR TIMES IT'S MY DISCRETION AND I SAY WE WANT TO DO AND WE KEEP ASKING QUESTIONS. MOVING TO R-127. COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THIS IS COMPANION BILL TO THE PREVIOUS BILL. AS THE PREVIOUS BILL DIDN'T PASS, I MOVE WITHDRAWAL. >>COUN. BASSAN: R-127, ADOPTING PROPOSITION TO BE SUBSTITUTED AT THE NEXT ELECTION TO BE HELD IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE CONCERNINGA DOPTING A 3/8 OF ONE 1% TO CREATE A QUALITY OF LIFE INENHANCEMENT FUND. IS THERE A SECOND? >>COUN. BASSAN: I'LL SECOND IT. MOTION IS FOR WITHDRAWAL. R-127. MADAM CLERK. [ ROLL CALL ]. LET'S GO AHEAD TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. I THINK WE SHOULD LISTEN TO EVERYBODY. IT SEEMS TO BE THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. >> OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS BEN FOLLOWED BY PAUL. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THEAL. I CAME TO SAY I SUPPORT THE TAX. I DID HAVE SOME ISSUES LIKE MANY OF YOU DID WITH HOW IT WAS STRUCTURE. I SENT SOME IDEAS ON HOW TO ADDRESS THAT OVER THE WEEKEND. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY. IT'S BEEN VERY ENTERTAINING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> PAUL FOLLOWED BY JORDAN. JORDAN FOLLOWED BY MARION ON ZOOM. >> I'M A DOWNTOWN RESIDENT. I COME TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF PUTTING THE TAX ON THE BALLOT. I'M DISAPPOINTED BY THE WAY THE DEBATE HAS GONE. I THINK OVERALL WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT A LOT OF GOOD ISSUES. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP WAS A LOT OF PROFESSIONALS THAT WORK IN HOMELESS SERVICES ARE LOOKING TO MOVE TO COASTAL CITIES. I COULD MOVE TO L.A. AT ANY TIME. I DON'T KNOW WHY MANY OF US STAY HERE WHEN OUR COUNCIL DOESN'T WANT TO GIVE US THE TYPE OF OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE OUR DOWNTOWN VIBRANT, TO KEEP PEOPLE HERE, TO CREATE GOOD JOBS. ALL THESE THINGS WORK IN AN ECOSYSTEM. AND THEY SUPPORT THE HOUSING SIDE, THE BUSINESS SIDE. I HAD BETTER COMMENTS WRITTEN OUT. I'M FLABBERGASTED. THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY. THANKS FOR LISTENING. >> MARIAN FOLLOWED BY BENJAMIN. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL PRESIDENT COUNCILORS. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU. I WAS ABLE TO FOLLOW AS WELL THE DEBATE. I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF THIS GROSS RECEIPTS TAX PROPOSE WHICH IS FAILING. I'VE SEEN ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING GREAT EDIFICES AND CULTURAL ORGANIZATIONS. OF COURSE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS A GREAT IDEA TO HAVE IN CONJUNCTION WITH MANY OTHER THINGS. OTHERWISE, WE'RE BACK IN THE PANDEMIC WHEN YOU CAN JUST WATCH NETFLIX AND GO OUT TO EAT AND EAT FROZEN PIZZA. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR TRYING TO PASS THIS AND GIVING THE VOTERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE ON IT. I'M PROFOUNDLY DISAPPOINTED THAT THIS WILL NOT GO TO THE VOTERS. ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, SERVICE, AND TIME. GOOD LUCK WITH EVERYTHING ELSE. >> BENJAMIN. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM PRESIDENT COUNCILORS. I AGREE THAT WE DO NEED TO ADDRESS HOUSING. I THINK IT SHOULD BE A DIFFERENT BILL. I THINK THAT WAS COMING FROM A PLACE THAT I AM ALSO INTERESTED IN WITH THIS BILL. TO BE CLEAR, I WAS GENERALLY IN FAVOR OF THE UNAMENDED FAVOR OF THE BILL. THE AMENDED VERSION, I'M NOT SO SURE. WHAT I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO SEE IS SOME SORT OF GUARDRAIL OR GUARDLEN IN THE BILL THAT SAYS SINCE THIS IS A GROSS RECEIPTS TAX, THE MONEY OR THE PROJECT'S FUNDED BY IT SHOULD BE AVAILABLE TO EVERYBODY, REGARDLESS OF THEIR INCOME OR OWNAGE OF PERSONAL VEHICLE. I DO THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE FUNDING PROJECTS LIKE THIS. I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS BILL COME BACK, MAYBE WITH A LITTLE LESS CHANGES IN THE ENTIRE PURPOSE OF THE BILL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S EXTRAS. GO AHEAD AND CALL THEM. >> WE HAVE CARLOS FOLLOWED BY MARK. >> THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: PLEASE GO TO THE OTHER ONE. >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS. I CAME HERE TONIGHT FIRST OF ALL TO SAY THAT I SUPPORT THIS BILL. FOR SEVERAL REASONS. IT'S ABOUT INVESTING IN OURSELF. WE RELY TOO MUCH ON FEDERAL AND STATE FUNDING TO DO EVERYTHING. INCLUDING WAITING DECADES SOMETIMES TO COMPLETE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE BEEN NICE THINGS IN THE CITY. WE SHOULD BEING PAYING FOR IT OURSELVES. I WOULD SAY, ESPECIALLY I DIDN'T CARE TOO MUCH FOR THE BIG PROJECTS. I THINK THEY'RE GREAT IDEAS, I CAN GO EITHER WAY. I LIKE THE IDEA OF PAYING FOR OUR OWN IMPROVEMENT. THIS IS STUFF LIKE IMPROVING STREETS, CREATING PARKS, MAKING IT SAFER FOR OUR KIDS TO ENJOY THE CITY. WE CAN HAVE NICE THINGS. THE CITY HAS ENOUGH MONEY AND PEOPLE IF WE WANT NICE THINGS WE CAN GET THEM. THIS IS A BILL ABOUT THAT. INVESTING IN OURSELVES. EVERY COMMENT IS ABOUT HOUSING. I WANT MORE HOUSING. I WANT BETTER ZONING. THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE, IN MY OPINION. AND I SAY LET'S STOP WAITING FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO FIX OUR CITY AND INVEST IN OURSELVES. PLEASE CONSIDER A BILL LIKE THIS IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. >> MARK. >> LIKE MANY PEOPLE I WAS HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED BILL AND THE COMPANION PIECE. I GENERALLY LIKE TO THINK OF MYSELF AS A PRETTY POSITIVE, OPTIMISTIC PERSON. I LIKE TO FOCUS ON THOSE POSITIVES. BUT WHAT HAPPENED JUST A MINUTE AGO WAS ROUGH TO WATCH. IT WAS REALLY BAD IN MANY WAYS. I THINK WE SHOULD INVEST IN OURSELVES. I HAD A NICE COMMENT WRITTEN OUT. I WAS PREPARE TO EDIT THE COMMENT AS THE AMENDMENT CAME THROUGH. I THINK THE COMMENTS AFTER THE AMENDMENT GOES THROUGH IS A REALLY GOOD IDEA. THAT'S NOT AS GERMANE, BUT MAYBE WE SHOULD STICK TO THAT AS MUCH AS WE CAN. THE ONLY OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO MENTION THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA IS TO HAVE A DASHBOARD FOR WHERE ALL THE DISTRICT-SPECIFIC FUNDS ARE GOING. I THINK THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN A REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE LARGER DISCRETIONARY FUNDS BE EASY TO FOLLOW ABOUT WHERE ALL THOSE ARE GOING. I THINK THAT WOULD BE SUPER COOL AS A RESIDENT TO CHECK OUT. I THINK THAT EVERYONE ACROSS THE CITY WOULD BENEFIT. THAT IS SOMETHING I WOULD MENTION WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA, DESPITE THE BILL NOT PASSING. YEAH, I DO WISH WE COULD REVISIT THIS. AND INVEST IN OURSELVES AND CREATE SOME THINGS RATHER THAN FOCUSED ON GRANTS AND STUFF FROM THE FEDERAL. >> THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: THE MOTION IS FOR WITHDRAWAL OF R-127. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR BACA TO CLOSE. >>COUN. BACA: I DO NOT SUPPORT. MOTION TO WITH DRAWL RIGHT? >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION IS FOR WITHDRAWAL AND YOU'RE CLOSING. >>COUN. BACA: URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM CLERK, MOTION TO WITHDRAWAL. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. AGENDA ITEM, E. ADOPTING ZONING AMENDMENT FOR SEVEN ACRES FROM TD TO MXC FOR 44 ACRES AND R -- ON THE SALAZAR FAMILY TRUST LOCATED BETWEEN # -- 98th STREET AND UNSER. I'LL COME BACK TO YOU FOR THE MOTION. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. >>COUN. BASSAN: QUASI-JUDICIAL REQUEST WHICH REQUIRES PROCEDURES THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. THE AGENDA WILL PROCEED AS FOLLOWS. PLANNING STAFF GETS FIVE MINUTES TO PRESENT. THE APPLICANTS PRESENTATION WILL BE TEN MINUTES. TESTIMONY WILL BE TWO MINUTES EACH. REBUTTAL BY APPLICANT IS FIVE MINUTES. CROSS EXAMINATION BY ANYONE WHO SPOKE DURING PUBLIC COMMENT IS TWO MINUTES. COMMENTS BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS FIVE MINUTES. CITY STAFF AND THE APPLICANT MUST BE SWORN IN. IF YOU'RE BEING A SPEAKER AT THIS TIME, AS A STAFF MEMBER OR APPLICANT, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. ANYONE ELSE GOING TO END UP SPEAKING ON THIS, IF YOU'RE IN HERE, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU AFFIRM UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY THAT YOUR TESTIMONY WILL BE TRUE? OKAY. MR. COX, HAVE YOUR INTRODUCTION. >> I'M GOING TO KEEP THIS VERY BRIEF BECAUSE I BELIEVE ME AND THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE THE SAME EXACT AMOUNT OF INFORMATION. SO, TO AVOID DUPLICATION AND TIME FOR EVERYONE. I WANTED TO POINT OUT THE AREA AS TO WHERE THIS ZONING IS OCCURRING WHICH IS AROUND 98th AND UNSER IN THE SOUTHWEST MESA. WHAT THE ZONING IS PROPOSING IS TO APPROXIMATELY REZONE AN AREA PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TO R1A, 7 ACRES. PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TO MXT, 44 ACRES. AND R1A TO MXT, 22 ACRES. IF THE COUNCIL IS ALL RIGHT, I'D LIKE TO END THERE. AND PASS IT OFF. >>COUN. BASSAN: WE'LL MOVE TO THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION. TEN MINUTES. >> I BELIEVE WE HAVE A PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, I'M HERE TODAY REPRESENTING TITAN DEVELOPMENT. WITH ME IS MATT LAMMERS, I'VE GOT A BRIEF PRESENTATION. I'LL GO THROUGH THAT. I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT. I'LL TRY TO GO THROUGH IT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. GOOD. EXCELLENT. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR REZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 53 ACRES TO SUPPORT NEW DEVELOPMENT ON ALBUQUERQUE'S WEB SIDE. PLANNING STAFF AND EPC RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE ZONE MAP AMENDMENT ON NOVEMBER 21, 2024 FROM PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, PD WITH SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL R1A AND MIXED USE TRANSITIONAL, MXT, AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL R1A, MIXED USE TRANSITIONAL MXT. THE MXT ZONING ALLOWS A MIX OF LIMITED COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE USES IN A WIDE RANGE OF RESIDENTIAL USES AS SUPPORTED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICIES, IT ALLOWS USES COMPLIMENTARY TO THE SURROUNDB NEIGHBORS AND REMOVES THE BARRIERS OF DEVELOPMENT FROM THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ZONING WHICH INCLUDE REQUIRING A SITE PLAN, EPC, NEED TO CUSTOMIZE AND JUSTIFY THE USES PROPOSED, AND AN EXTENDED AND UNNECESSARY APPROVAL PROCESS. HERE'S AN AERIAL PHOTO OF THE SALAZAR LAND. YOU CAN SEE THIS AREA ON THE WEST MESA IS SURROUNDED BY EXISTING DEVELOPMENT. MOSTLY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS. AND AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. THE SURROUNDING ZONING ONCE AGAIN IS PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL, WE DO HAVE THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, IT'S EXISTING. AND VACANT LAND IN BOTH THE INCORPORATED CITY LIMITS WHICH THIS PROPERTY IS IN, AS WELL AS UNINCORPORATED BERNALILLO COUNTY. IF APPROVED, THIS ZONE MAP AMENDMENT WILL FACILITATE NEW PLATTING AND DEDICATION OF UNSER BOULEVARD. NEW DEVELOPMENT IN AN AREA PASSED OVER DUE TO PRIOR OWNERSHIP AND ZONING CONSTRAINTS. NEW NEEDED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO MEET THE HOUSING CRISIS. COMPLIMENTARY USES TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS AND AN ELIMINATION OF AN OVERLY COMPLICATED AND UNNECESSARY ZONING REQUIREMENT. WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO TESTIMONY BY PUBLIC SPEAKERS. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. WE HAD TAD AND BENJAMIN SIGNED UP. I BELIEVE NEITHER ARE HERE. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. YOU DO GET A MOMENT TO HAVE A REBUTTAL TO THE COMMENTS. >> I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE ANY, OTHER THAN THAT, I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: WE'RE GOING TO SKIP CROSS EXAMINATION. WE'LL MOVE TO COMMENTS BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, IF ANY. GOOD EVENING, MR. MONTOYA. >> MADAM CHAIR, DIRECTOR VARELA HAD TO LEAVE. THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT DOES SUPPORT THIS. >>COUN. BASSAN: REAL QUICK. DOES HE HAVE TO BE SWORN IN? NO? YES? THANK YOU. BEFORE WE GOT TOO MUCH FURTHER. DO YOU SWEAR UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY THAT YOUR TESTIMONY IS TRUE? >> I DO. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. YOU MAY PROCEED. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, DIRECTOR VARELA HAD TO LEAVE. THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT DOES SUPPORT THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATION. I BELIEVE PLANNING STAFF WORKED CLOSELY WITH MR. COX. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. WE ARE MOVING BACK TO OUR COUNCIL PLANNING STAFF. ANY CLOSING REMARKS. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, I HAVE NO CLOSING REMARKS. HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT THE APPLICATION. >>COUN. BASSAN: THAT WAS RELATIVELY PAINLESS. COUNCILOR PEÑA, DID YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION? >>COUN. PEÑA: I MAKE A MOTION FOR A DO PASS. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION FOR DO PASS AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR PEÑA TO CLOSE. >>COUN. PEÑA: I'LL CLOSE REAL QUICK. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS. JUST TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOING TO BE MUCH-NEEDED HOUSING FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOUSING. YOU WILL HEAR ME IN THE FUTURE JUST TALK ABOUT THE NEED FOR INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE IN THE SOUTHWEST AREA OF ALBUQUERQUE WE LACK A LOT OF -- AND LACK OF INVETSMENT, WE NEED IMPROVEMENT TO STREET AND STREET LIGHTS. I'M HAPPY AND ENCOURAGED TO SEE THIS DEVELOPMENT MOVE FORWARD. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION IS FOR DO PASS TO O-80. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOVING TO AGENDA ITEM F. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN AND COUNCILOR ROGERS BY REQUEST. R-129. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. ADOPTING THE 2025 ACTION PLAN AND PROGRAM INVESTMENT SUMMARY FOR THE EXPENDITURE OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT HOME INVESTMENT PARTNERSHIP PROGRAM AND EMERGENCY SOLUTIONS GRANT FUNDS PROVIDING AN APPROPRIATION TO THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS FOR HOUSING AND URBAN ENTITLEMENT FUNDS. I MOVE DO PASS. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND FOR R-129. COUNCILORS TO OPEN. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THIS IS OUR HUD ACTION PLAN THAT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH HUD FILING PRETTY QUICKLY. AND I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, I BELIEVE THERE'S AN AMENDMENT. AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE, COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE IS ATTACHING APPEND IX THAT REPLACED THE ANNUAL ACTION PLAN BUT APPENDIX B WAS LEFT OFF THE PLAN. THIS ADDS APPENDIXBOX BACK INTO THE PLAN. APPENDIX B DETAILS THE RULES AND GUIDELINES ATTACHED TO THE ENTITLEMENT GRANT. REFILL GUIDELINES, RECAPTURE GUIDELINES, ALL THE GUIDELINES TO ADMINISTER THE PROGRAM. WE NEED IT IN THE RECORD. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER AMENDMENTS? GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. WE HAVE ANAMI TO SPEAK. >> I WANTED TO READ TWO OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT INCLUDED ON PAGES 119 AND 122 OF THE PDF. THE FIRST ONE, ON PAGE 119, READS WHY IS LIVING IN YOUR CAR ILLEGAL? I ONLY ESCAPED SEXUAL SLAVERY BECAUSE OF MY CAR. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN -- HOLD ON. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN ALL OF YOUR POSSESSIONS ARE PUT IN A DUMPSTER? WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU'RE A HOMEOWNER AND HOMELESS PEOPLE ARE DAMAGING PROPERTY? THE OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT INCLUDED READS, I ASSUME, THIS PERSON IS RECOMMENDING, COLLABORATION WITH COMMUNITY PARTNERS -- COLLABORATING WITH COMMUNITY PARTNERS INCLUDING NEW MEXICO -- PARTNERING WITH NEW MEXICO EVICTION PREVENTION. THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY SOMEONE WITH THE EMAIL ADDRESS THAT ENDS WITH NEW MEXICO EVICTION PREVENTION. I READ THOSE TWO POORLY BECAUSE I HOPE TO POINT OUT THAT THERE SEEMS TO BE A REALLY DISCONNECT BETWEEN THE WAY HOMELESSNESS IS DISCUSSED BY PEOPLE WHO ARE IMPACTED AND BY PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE NONPROFIT INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX. I HOPE THAT IS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN PUBLIC COMMENTS LIKE THESE ARE INCLUDED. I LOVE HHH BUT PLEASE FIX THE FORM ATTING ON THE THINGS YOU PRODUCE. LASTLY, GOOD LUCK ON YOUR WRITE-IN CAMPAIGN, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, WE HAVE ON AMENDMENT -- WE'RE ON THE BILL AS AMENDED. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? R-129. COUNCILORS TO CLOSE. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM CLERK, MOTION FOR DUE PASS AS AMENDED. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. BASSAN: WE'RE MOVING TO AGENDA ITEM G. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. R-136 IS ADJUSTING THE FISCAL YEAR 2025 OPERATING APPROPRIATIONS. THIS RESOLUTION -- I MOVE FOR A DO PASS. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND FROM COUNCILOR GROUT AND COUNCILOR ROGERS. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE TO OPEN. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES, MADAM PRESIDENT. THIS RESOLUTION REALLOCATES $85,000 FROM THE FY GENERAL FUND APPROPRIATION DESIGNED FOR NON-REOCCURRING SERVICES AND CONTRACTS UNDER THE HEALTH HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS DEPARTMENT. THE INTENT OF THIS INTENDED SERVICE PROVIDERS DID NOT ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OR THE CITY DEPARTMENTS OPTED OUT TO PROCEED WITH THE CONTRACTS RATHER THAN ALLOWING THE FUNDS TO BE UNUSED BY JUNE 30th OF THIS YEAR, THE COUNCIL, I ASK WE REDISTRICT -- REDIRECT THEM TO A PROJECT IN THIS FISCAL YEAR. AND WE'LL DO THIS FOR BANDS OF ENCHANTMENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: QUESTIONS OR COMMENT? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I ASKED THIS QUESTION AT THE LAST MEETING AND I WAS TOLD THERE WAS GOING TO BE FOLLOW UP. WHAT HAPPENED WITH TENDER LOVE CONTRACT AND WHY DID THEY RECEIVE THESE FUNDS. I GET NOW WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY CAN'T BE EXPENDED TIME. I WOULD LIKE AN ANSWER TO MY QUESTION OF WHY THEY'RE NOT DIRECTED TO THE RECIPIENT OF THE COUNCIL-DIRECTED SPONSORSHIP IN TIME? >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM CAO. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT WAS WORKING WITH TENDER LOVE ON THIS AND THERE WAS SOME ISSUES RELATED TO SOME COMPLIANCE RELATED TO OUR REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD BE -- I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK ON THE PUBLIC RECORD TOO MUCH ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT THE DISCUSSIONS WERE BACK AND FORTH. LET ME SAY THIS, THE CITY HAS REQUIREMENTS. WE HOLD A STANDARD RELATED TO INDEPENDENT AUDIT. ENSURING THOSE DOCUMENTATIONS. ENSURING WE CAN MEET SOME OF THE STANDARDS RELATED TO TAXPAYER DOLLARS. AND I THINK WE WERE GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH TENDER LOVE AND HAVING SOME CHALLENGES WITH BEING ABLE TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS. I HAVE A MEMO PROVIDED TO ME THAT WE ABSOLUTELY CAN CAN TALK THROUGH WITH YOU REGARDING THE SPECIFICS OF THE TENDER LOVE CONTRACT. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I WOULD HAVE LIKED THAT INFORMATION THAT I ASKED FOR AT THE LAST MEETING. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN REALLY HELPFUL. I JUST WILL SAY THAT THIS HAS HAPPENED ON SEVERAL OF MY COUNCIL-DIRECTED SPONSORSHIP. TENDER LOVE IS NOT MINE, BUT I SUPPORT THEM. THERE NEEDS TO BE WAY BETTER COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE ADMINISTRATION AND COUNCILORS IF YOU'RE GOING TO NOT FULFILL A COUNCIL DIRECTED SPONSORSHIP, I THINK THE PERSON WHO SPONSORED IT SHOULD KNOW. THAT HAPPENED TO ME THIS YEAR. YOU WERE AWARE OF IT AND WE WERE ABLE TO FIX IT. THESE KINDS OF THINGS SHOULDN'T BE SURPRISING TO THE COUNCILOR THAT DIRECTED THE SPONSORSHIP TOWARD A GOOD ENTITY THAT IS HELPING THE CITIZENS OF ALBUQUERQUE. I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THERE MIGHT BE THINGS THAT WOULD MAKE US NOT ABLE TO COMPLETE THOSE SPONSORSHIPS, BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE A SURPRISE TO THE COUNCILOR. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I ALSO DIDN'T GET A RESPONSE ON WHAT HAPPENED. I REACHED OUT TO TENDER LOVE DIRECTLY MYSELF. AND I HAVE TO SAY ON THE RECORD ON BEHALF OF TENDER LOVE, THEY WERE NOT HAPPY WITH HOW THEY WERE TREATED BY THE DEPARTMENT. I ALSO FOUND A PREVIOUS COUNCIL-APPROVALED APPROPRIATION OF $400,000 THAT NEVER WENT TO THIS COMPANY AS WELL. AT THE TIME WE EXECUTED THIS CONTRACT, OUR OPERATING BUDGET WAS UNDER $500,000 AND THE AUDIT FOR THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO IS NOT REQUIRED FOR THEM. I HAVE GONE BACK AND FORTH WITH OTHER PROVIDERS, THEY WERE OFFERED TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE FROM THE DEPARTMENT. THE CONTRACTOR THAT YOU SENT TO DO THAT TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE ASKED FOR SOME VERY INAPPROPRIATE INFORMATION LIKE PASSWORD TO QUICKBOOKS. THEY WERE TREATED LIKE THEY WERE DOING SOMETHING WRONG. WE'VE NEVER EVEN GIVEN THEM THE MONEY. I UNDERSTAND AT THIS POINT THERE'S NOT MUCH WE CAN DO. AND TO COUNCILOR CHAMPINE'S POINT, WE NEED TO USE THIS FUNDING. I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SIT DOWN WITH THIS DEPARTMENT AND THIS PROVIDER AND DO SOME WORK TOGETHER JUST LIKE WE DID WITH VISION -- WHO FELT THE SAME WAY, AND WE CAN SIT DOWN AND COME -- WE CAN HELP THEM HELP THEM. BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SAY -- I'M GOING TO STOP THERE. PLEASE LET'S WORK TOGETHER OFFLINE TO FIX THIS. WE STILL HAVE AN APPROPRIATION THAT YOU HAVE NOT GIVEN THEM FOR $400,000. WE NEED TO FIX THIS, ESPECIALLY WHEN I SEE OTHER PROVIDERS NOT PROVIDING -- I CAN'T GET REPORTS FROM SOME OF YOUR PROVIDERS RIGHT NOW WHERE WE'RE HOLDING THEM TO A HIGHER LEVEL OF SCRUTINY THAN CONTRACTS WORTH MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. >>COUN. BASSAN: WE'RE ON R-136. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE TO CLOSE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. ALONG WITH MY FELLOW COUNCILORS, I SPONSORED THIS TO GO TO TENDER LOVE LAST FISCAL YEAR. TENDER LOVE IS BACK ON THE BUDGET THIS YEAR. I THINK IT'S OUR -- I'M NOT TRYING TO TARGET IT. THIS IS UNDER HHH THAT DIDN'T USE IT. IT'S OUR FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY THAT IF MONEY CANNOT BE USED, INSTEAD OF LOSING IT TO THE APPROPRIATING TO THE RIGHT AREA AND KNOWING THEY'RE GOING TO BE BACK AGAIN NEXT BUDGET, WE LEARN FROM THIS MISTAKE AND MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: R-136. MOTION FOR DO PASS. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. BASSAN: ITEM J. COUNCILOR GROUT BY REQUEST. R-139. SDMRG THANK YOU, . >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAMAL PRESIDENT. APPROVING AND AUTHORIZING THE FILING OF GRANT APPLICATION AND THE ACCEPTANCE OF GRANT AWARDS FROM MULTIPLE CITY DEPARTMENTS OR ASSOCIATED GRANT OR AGENCIES IN PROVIDING AN APPROPRIATION TO THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION AND SECOND FROM COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. COUNCILOR GROUT TO OPEN. >>COUN. GROUT: WE HAVE A FLOOR AMENDMENT FROM COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. DID YOU WANT TO OPEN AND SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE BILL OR JUST GO TO THE AMENDMENT? >>COUN. BASSAN: OKAY. COUNCILOR BACA, FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. PAGE SIX, AFTER LINE FIVE, INSERT THE FOLLOWING, AS PER THE LETTERS FROM THE GOVERNOR AND STATE SPONSOR COUNCILOR BASSAN, THE INTENT OF THIS APPROPRIATION IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN DISTRICT TWO IN THE DOWNTOWN AND BARELAS MRA AREA OF ALBUQUERQUE. THIS AMENDMENT CLARIFIES THE INTENT OF THE APPROPRIATION NOT INCLUDED IN THE SCOPE OF WORK. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THIS FUNDING WAS APPROPRIATED FOR HOUSING DIRECTLY WITHIN DOWNTOWN AND THE BARELAS MRA PER THE GOVERNOR AND SPEAKER MARTINEZ, SENATOR O'MALLEY, AND MAJORITY WHIP. THERE'S A COUPLE LETTERS. ONE FROM THE GOVERNOR. ONE FROM REPRESENTATIVE HOFFMAN. WE'RE PUTTING IN GUARDRAILS. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION FOR DO PASS? >>COUN. BACA: MOTION FOR DO PASS. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT. COUNCILORS, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. BASSAN: IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEFORE I GO BACK TO COUNCILOR GROUT? COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR KEVIN MORROW. CAN THIS BILL BE PASSED TONIGHT? OR DOES THIS BILL NEED TWO HEARINGS? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, I BELIEVE THIS BILL IS ACCEPTABLE TO BE PASSED TONIGHT. EVEN THOUGH IT IS AN APPROPRIATION IN THAT IT IS AN APPROPRIATION FOR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET AND ALSO DEALS WITH CAPITAL. BECAUSE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET HASN'T BEEN FULLY PASSED, THIS IS EFFECTIVELY ASPIRATIONAL. IT'S INTENDED TO BE ADOPTED AS NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET BUT WILL BE FURTHER ADOPTED AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. CAN THE ADMINISTRATION TELL ME ABOUT WHAT YOU HAVE IN THIS? I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. SOURISSEAU. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, THIS IS OUR ONMIBUS GRANT BILL. WE COME TO YOU EVERY YEAR. THE WORD OF THE DAY IS PLETHORA. IT COMES WITH A PLETHORA OF GRANTS WE GET FROM THE STATE. WE BRING IT TO YOU ONE TIME RATHER THAN COME WITH A WHOLE BUNCH APPROPRIATIONS AND APPROVALS. WITHIN THIS GRANT IS EVERYTHING THAT HAS COME THROUGH THE STATE LEGISLATURE THIS YEAR. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. SOURISSEAU. I AM CONCERNED AND I ASKED AFFAIRS -- AND I TOLD THEM ABOUT THIS LAST WEEK, THERE'S A LINE ITEM IN THERE, SECTION EIGHT, FOR $110 MILLION. IT WAS VETOED BY THE GOVERNOR. IT'S NOT APPROPRIATED TO ANYTHING SPECIFIC. SO, THAT'S A LARGE CHUNK TO JUST HAVE IN THERE AS A LINE ITEM. WITH NO OVERSIGHT. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S ALL INTENDED FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE EITHER. CAN YOU TELL ME WHY THE ADMINISTRATION NEVER GOT BACK TO MY ABOUT THAT SPECIFIC AMOUNT? ACTUALLY, I DID GET AN EMAIL THIS AFTERNOON BETWEEN 4:30 AND 5:00 WHICH IS 30 MINUTES BEFORE WE GO IN AND THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE. >> I DID SEND ALL OF COUNCIL THIS AFN. -- MY INTENTION WAS TO COME TO YOU TODAY. THE TIMING WAS NOT INTENDED TO BE SUCH SHORT NOTICE. YT IN THE EMAIL WE ADDRESSED THE POINT TO ENSURE WE'RE AGILE AND ABLE TO ACCEPT ANY PORTION OF THE $110 MILLION THAT WILL BE APPROPRIATED FOR THE PURPOSES OF WHAT IS MENTIONED SPECIFICALLY IN THE LANGUAGE. AND I DID INCLUDE THAT SPECIFIC LANGUAGE IN THERE, WHICH IS TO SUPPORT HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, TRANSITIONAL HOUSING. AND THE EXPANSION OF HOUSING SERVICES PROVIDED THE FACILITY PROVIDERS AND THAT FACILITATE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICES AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE RECOVERY, HOMELESSNESS, ASSISTANCE AND PREVENTION FOR PERSONS WITH BEHAVIORAL HEALTH NEEDS. OUR INTENT IS TO BE IN A PGDZ THAT -- POSITION THAT WE DO NOT HAVE BARRIERS TO ACCEPT THE GOVERNOR'S APPROPRIATIONS WHEN THOSE DECISIONS GET MADE. THEY'LL BE MADE BY THE DEPARTMENT OF WORKFORCE SOLUTIONS IN COLLABORATION WITH THERE GOVERNOR. WE PUT THE FULL AMOUNT SIMPLY SO THE CITY AS WE PUT FORWARD OUR PROJECTS AND GET INTO INTERGRANT AGREEMENTS WOULD BE IN A POSITION TO ACCEPT THOSE. IN THE EMAIL I SENT YOU ALL, AND MY INTENT WAS TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL THE UNDERSTANDING THERE MAY BE A HOPE FOR REPORTING AND GUARDRAILS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS WHEN THE CITY RECEIVES THESE FUNDS. SO WE COMMITTED TO PROVIDING YOU ALL TWO ECs FOR TRANSPARENCY WHAT THOSE BRAND AGREEMENTS LOOK LIKE WHEN WE ENTER INTO THEM WITH THE STATE. THE LIST OF PROJECTS WHEN WE WORKED TOGETHER WITH THE COUNTY TO LOBBY FOR THE FUNDS TO BE ALLOCATED AND IT WAS APPROPRIATED -- IT WAS APPROPRIATED BY THE LEGISLATIVE BODIES WITH ADDITIONAL DESIGNATIONS TOWARD BOTH ALBUQUERQUE AND BERNALILLO COUNTY AS WELL AS DONA ANA AND LAS CRUCES. THAT SPECIFICITY WAS STRUCK, BUT WE HAVE BEEN OBVIOUSLY MEETING WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF WORKFORCE SOLUTIONS AND OTHERS TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND THEIR INTENTION. WE WANT TO HAVE THE AGILITY TO ACCEPT ANY PROJECTS THEY INTEND TO FUND THROUGH THESE DOLLARS WITHIN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. THOSE PRIORITIES WHEN WE LOBBIED FOR THE FUNDS WERE RELATED TO HOUSING HOMELESSNESS AND THAT INCLUDED AFFORDABLE HOUSING, TRANSITIONAL HOUSING AND WE'VE BEEN CONTINUING WITH THOSE LISTS THAT WERE USED. AND THE PROJECTS ARE WIDE AND BROAD IN TERMS OF PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE ALL SEEN. I INCLUDED IN MY EMAIL JUST TO SUPPORT AND NOTE WE ARE -- IT'S CLEAR THAT ANY OF THE ITEMS IN THAT EMAIL -- YOUNG ADULTS HOUSING NAVIGATION, OR HOUSING AND TREATMENT NAVIGATION CENTER, ANY MORE MOTEL ACQUISITION WHERE WE MAKE CONVERTED MOTELS FOR LOW INCOME HOUSING AND EVEN OUR HOMEOWNER REHABILITATION PROGRAM WE BELIEVE WILL ALL BE EXAMPLES OF PROJECTS THAT WOULD BE FUNDED. >>COUN. GROUT: MADAM PRESIDENT, THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION. I APPRECIATE IT. WHILE I UNDERSTAND, I STILL THINK YOU NEED TO COME BACK TO THIS COUNCIL TO GET THOSE APPROPRIATIONS MADE. I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER AN AMENDMENT THIS EVENING, MR. MOTSCO, DO YOU HAVE THAT? I THINK ALL OF THE THINGS YOU MENTIONED ARE APPROPRIATE, BUT AGAIN, I THINK IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE APPROPRIATED WISELY AND WE ASK ALL THE RIGHT QUESTIONS. WE ALL NEED TO BE ON OUR A-GAME. SORRY, MR. SOURISSEAU, IF YOU DON'T LIKE THAT, SORRY. THAT'S INAPPROPRIATE, SIR. I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. ON PAGE 13, AFTER LINE 7, STRIKE SECTION 8 IN ITS ENTIRETY. THE EXPLANATION IS THE $110 MILLION IN HB2 HAS NOT BEEN IDENTIFIED BY THE STATE AS TO WHERE THE FUNDING WILL BE DIRECTED. IF THE CITY IS TO RECEIVE ANY OF THIS FUNDING, THE COUNCIL WILL APPROPRIATE IT IN SEPARATE RESOLUTION. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION FOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: I THINK IT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I GUESS I'M CONFUSED. WHAT I READ FROM THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE IS WE'RE NOT GETTING $110 MILLION FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. I READ THAT IT WAS MORE LIKE $40 MILLION. CAN SOMEONE -- I KNOW WE HAD $80 MILLION, SOME GOES TO THE COUNTY, SOME TO THE CITY. >> COUNCILOR ROGERS, IN THE ORIGINAL HB2 LANGUAGE THAT DR. SENGEL MENTIONED, IT DID SAY A $110 MILLION APPROPRIATION. $80 MILLION IN HALF, HALF TO BERNALILLO COUNTY AND HALF TO THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. THE REST GOING TO DONA ANA COUNTY AND LAS CRUCES. I THINK COUNCILOR GROUT EXPLAINED WHY WE WANT TO ADD THIS AMENDMENT. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I THINK I AGREE. BUT IT SHOULD ACTUALLY -- I MEAN, I KNOW THIS AMENDMENT IS ABOUT STRIKING THIS WHOLE THING SO IT WOULD BE A MOOT POINT. IF THIS DOESN'T PASS, WE NEED TO SAY WHAT WE'RE SLATED TO GET NOT THE WHOLE APPROPRIATION. >>COUN. GROUT: MADAM PRESIDENT, THAT'S THE POINT. WE DON'T KNOW. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I'M COMPLETELY AWARE. I THINK IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE THEY'RE WAITING FOR US TO PROVIDE A LIST OF PROJECTS THAT CAN BE DONE RATHER QUICKLY. THIS BODY HAS NOT BEEN ASKED FOR SUCH PROJECTS. SO, I THINK I JUST WANT TO SAY ON RECORD -- AND I THINK I RESPONDED TO THE EMAIL WE GOT FROM CAO SENGEL THAT WE NEED SOME SAY ON WHAT THAT LIST IS GOING TO THE GOVERNOR IN THE FIRST PLACE. I'D LIKE TO SAY ON RECORD THAT THIS BODY SHOULD BE IN COLLABORATION WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF THE ADMINISTRATION DESIGNING THAT LIST. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY -- MADAM CAO. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT AMOUNTS. THE 40-80-10, ALL OF THAT WAS STRUCK OUT. TODAY IT'S JUST $110 MILLION AVAILABLE ACROSS THE STATE. SO, OUR INTENT WAS TO PUT US IN A POSITION THAT WE CAN APPLY, WORKING WITH WORKFORCE SOLUTION, FOR ANY AMOUNT. ALL OF IT, EVEN. I'M NOT SAYING THEY WOULD NECESSARILY PROVIDE THAT TO US. THEIR GOAL IS TO ENSURE THESE DOLLARS ARE ACTIVATED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. OUR INTENT SIMPLY TO ENSURE THAT IF THEY MAKE THE DECISION TO BEGIN MOVING DOLLARS -- FOR EXAMPLE IN JULY, WHEN WE'RE ON BREAK, WE'D BE ABLE TO IN A POSITION TO SAY YES AND LIKE I SAID WE WOULD THROUGH EC ENSURE YOU RECEIVED THE GRANT AGREEMENT THAT WE HAD WORKED OUT WITH THEM. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. TO YOUR POINT, WE CONTINUE TO ASK YOU TO BE FAST AND NIMBLE WITH OUR RULES ON FGO, I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THOSE ISSUES WHERE IF WE HAVE TO WAIT TWO MONTHS WE'RE PAST OUR BREAK AND ALL OF THIS IS PAST OUR FISCAL YEAR. WHAT I'M ASKING IS THERE A COMPROMISE WE CAN GET TO WHERE WE CAN BE NIMBLE AND ALSO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO BUT ALSO THIS BODY HAS SOME SAY AS THE APPROPRIATING BODY AS TO WHAT'S ON THAT LIST? >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. MOTSCO. >> COUNCILOR ROGERS, I DID MISSPEAK. I APPRECIATE DR. SENGEL CORRECTING ME. THAT LANGUAGE WAS STRUCK FROM HB2. IT IS JUST $110 MILLION ACROSS THE STATE. THE GOVERNOR ALSO VETOED THE NEEDS TO BE EXPENDED WITHIN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT LONGER TIMELINE THAT WE CAN EXPEND THAT FUND. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THAT HELPS A LOT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I JUST WANT TO SAY I APPRECIATE THE INTENT OF THIS AMENDMENT. IT'S JUST THAT I KNOW WITH SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD THIS MONEY IS IN A WAY FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD BECOME A LITTLE COMPETITIVE. SO, I KNOW THAT THE -- FROM MY CONVERSATION, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SOLVE-READY PROJECTS. I THINK THAT I WOULD AGREE WITH THE ADMINISTRATION ON THIS. THEY ACTUALLY NEED THE ABILITY TO BE AS NIMBLE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THOSE PROJECTS AS SHOVEL-READY PROJECTS TO GO FORWARD IN A QUICK MANNER. THAT WAY, WE DON'T LOSE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SECURE AS MUCH OF THE DOLLARS AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE I GO BACK TO COUNCILOR GROUT? COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. I HAVE A NOTE THAT HHH TOLD STAFF THAT THEY NEED TO GO BACK TO THE STATE TO REQUEST THE FUNDING. SO WE NEED TO HAVE A PLAN. WE JUST CAN'T HAVE $110 MILLION AND THAT'S OUR PRELIMINARY. WE NEED A PLAN. WE NEED TO GET A PLAN TOGETHER. WE NEED TO BE PREPARED. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, THE MOTION FOR DO PASS OF AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO TO R-139. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: NO. >>COUN. ROGERS: NO. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >> PASSES ON A 7-2 VOTE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO EXTEND THE MEETING TO 12:00 A.M. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT TO SUSPEND THE RULES AND EXTEND THE MEETING UNTIL MIDNIGHT. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: NO. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: NO. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >> THAT PASSES ON A 7-2 VOTE. >>COUN. BASSAN: WE'RE BACK ON R-139. ANY ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS ? COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I HAVE ONE QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW WHO GETS TO ANSWER THIS. IF WE DO RECEIVE THE FUNDS, FROM THE STATE FOR ALLOCATED MONEY, WHERE WOULD THE FUNDS GO INTO? WHAT FUND DO THEY GO INTO? >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. SOURISSEAU. >> COUNCILOR BASSAN, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, AS WITH ALL GRANTSWEED GO TO GRANT FUND 265. WE WOULDN'T RECEIVE THEM AHEAD OF TIME. THESE ARE TYPICALLY GRANTS THAT ARE REIMBURSABLE. WE GIVE THEM AN IDEA OR A PLAN. THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THEM. THEY PROVE THAT. WE DO NOTICE OF OBLIGATION. WE SPEND THE MONEY. THEY REIMBURSE US. IT'S SORT OF THE WHOLE PROCESS BUT IT ALL GOES IN AND OUT OF GRANT FUND 265. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ARE. >>COUN. GROUT: I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION IS FOR DO PASS OF R-139. MADAM CLERK. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: WRES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. BASSAN: AGENDA ITEM K. R-141. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. ROGERS: APPROPRIATION OF SUBSTANCE ABUSE FUNDS. LET ME START AGAIN. R-141 TO SERVE INDIVIDUALS EXPERIENCING SUBSTANCE ABUSE DISORDER. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: SECOND. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. COUNCILORS TO OPEN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: MADAM PRESIDENT, THIS BODY, LAST MONTH, APPROPRIATED THE -- OR SET THE GUARDRAIL FOR THE OPIOID USE -- THE OPIOID SETTLEMENT FUNDS. AT THAT TIME, WE APPROPRIATED TWO GRANTS FOR NONPROFITS, GRANTS FOR SMALL PROVIDERS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND ALSO TO APS FOR THEIR CROSSROADS PROGRAM. THIS IS THE SECOND STEP OF THAT. THIS IS THE APPROPRIATION TO THE CITY PROGRAMS. AND I WAS PLEASED THAT THE PROPOSAL THAT CAME DOWN FROM THE ADMINISTRATION FITS PERFECTLY WITHIN THE GUARDRAILS OF THIS BODY ADOPTED. AND SO THIS IS JUST CLOSING THAT LOOP ON THE OPIOID SETTLEMENT FUND FOR THIS YEAR. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION. COUNCILOR PEÑA, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND READ IN YOUR AMENDMENT. AND I WILL LET YOU TAKE OVER AFTER THAT. I'LL MOVE FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE FOR COUNCILOR PEÑA ON PAGELEN LINE TWO AMEND THE TITLE AS FOLLOWS. AMENDING THE JOINT OPIOID SETTLEMENT IMPLEMENTATION FUND TO SERVE INDIVIDUALS EXPERIENCING SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER. ON PAGE THREE, LINE 22, SECOND 12A, CHANGE IT TO SAY THE FOLLOWING FUNDING CATEGORIES AND PERCENTAGES SHALL BE ADHERED TO WITHIN PLUS OR MINUS 2% FOR ALL ANNUAL FUNDING ALLOCATIONS. AND ON PAGE THREE, LINE 22, NUMBER SIX, ADD IN NUMBER SIX AFTER NUMBER FIVE, ASSIST ALL ELIGIBLE PERSONS TO ACCESS BEHAVIORAL HEALTH MEDICAID WAVER PROGRAMS. AND THEN SECTION 17, THE CITY -- RESERVES THE AUTHORITY TO AMEND THIS PLAN FROM TIME TO TIME. I MADE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? >>COUN. PEÑA: SECOND. >>COUN. PEÑA: THIS MONEY GETS TIED FOR FUTURE COUNCILS, I JUST WANT FLEXIBILITY WHETHER WE ADOPT IT MOVING FORWARD AND DUE TO WORK WE NEED, IT'S IMPORTANT. I THINK JUST TO GIVE US SOME FLEXIBILITY. AND ALSO, YOU HEARD ME TALK ABOUT THE MEDICAID WAIVER. I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT TOOL THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. I KNOW PETER CUBRA HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT AT THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO. WE NEED TO LOOK AT BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE RESOURCE FOR THAT. I WOULD URGE YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS. WE WENT THROUGH A TWO-YEAR PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH MANY, MANY, MANY PUBLIC MEETINGS AND LISTENING SESSIONS. WE WENT THROUGH MONTHS AND MONTHS OF DISCUSSIONS AT LGCC LOCAL GOVERNMENT COORDINATING COMMISSION, WE DEVELOPED A PROGRAM THIS BODY APPROVED LAST MONTH. I THINK WE SHOULD STICK TO THAT. I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THE LAST THING ON THIS IS NOT REALLY NOT RELEVANT. THE BILL THAT WE PASSED LAST MONTH IS NOT DEPENDENT UPON ANY OTHER BODY. THAT WAS A CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE OPIOID SETTLEMENT FUND AGREEMENT THAT WE APPROVED AND IT SAYS HOW WE'RE GOING TO SPEND OUR OPIOID SETTLEMENT FUNDS. IT DOES NOT DEPEND ON WHAT ANY OTHER BODY DOES. AGAIN, CAN'T SUPPORT THIS. REALLY THINK WE SHOULD STICK WITH WHAT WE PASSED LAST MONTH. AND ALSO POINTING OUT THERE'S NO NEED FOR AN AUTONOMY SECTION BECAUSE WE'RE COMPLETELY DEPENDENT OF ANY OTHER BODY. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT. I WAS GOING TO SPONSOR THIS WITH COUNCILOR PEÑA. I'M GLAD TO ADD MY NAME ON THIS IF SHE'S STILL OKAY WITH IT. I DO THINK THE AUTONOMY LANGUAGE IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE OFTENTIMES WHAT HAPPENS IS WE MIGHT OR A FUTURE COUNCIL MIGHT CHOOSE TO AMEND OR CHOOSE TO ADJUST THINGS IN CERTAIN WAYS AND THEN WHAT OFTENTIMES COMES BACK IS PEOPLE TRY TO GIVE STRENGTH BAY SAYING THIS CAME OUT OF THE COMMITTEE WITH THE COUNTY. EVEN THOUGH IT MIGHT NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT'S TRUE, I THINK OFTENTIMES IT'S ASSUMED AND USED OFTEN IN THAT WAY. I THINK IT'S GOOD CLARIFICATION LANGUAGE IN THAT REGARD. I DO SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I WILL POINT OUT IT IS ALREADY DIFFERENT THAN THE COUNTY'S. COUNCILOR ROGERS PROPOSED AN AMENDMENT TO THIS PROPOSAL AT THE -- WHEN WE APPROVED THIS AT THE LAST MEETING LAST MONTH. AND SO, OUR PROPOSAL OUR PLAN IS ALREADY DIFFERENT THAN THE COUNTY. THEY'RE NOT DEPENDENT ON EACH OTHER IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. THEY DID NOT MAKE THE CHANGE BECAUSE THEY DID NOT LIKE THE CHANGE. WE HAVE OUR OWN INDEPENDENT MONEY AND WE SPEND IT IN A WAY WE APPROPRIATED AND DECIDED IS THE BEST WAY FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR PEÑA TO CLOSE. AND MAY I REMIND YOU THAT COUNCILOR LEWIS DID OFFER TO BE ADDED AS A SPONSOR, IF YOU WANT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. YES, IF COUNCILOR LEWIS WANTS TO ADD HIS NAME, THAT'S GOOD. I WOULD URGE YOUR SUPPORT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, AS YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T SUPPORT THE BILL INITIALLY. I REALLY FEEL THAT SOME OF THE RESOURCES AND THE DECISION-MAKING BELONGS WITH THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE AND THIS COUNCIL. AND I STAND BY THAT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION IS FOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE TO R-141. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: NO. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: NO. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: NO. >>COUN. GROUT: NO. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: NO. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: NO. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >> THAT FAILS ON A 3-6 VOTE. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER AMENDMENTS ? LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. WE HAVE ADEO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. PLEASE ACCEPT PROMOTION TO PANELIST IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. MADAM PRESIDENT, ADEO HAS DECLINED TO BE PROMOTED. THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: WE'RE BACK ON R-141. COUNCILORS, ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: JUST A COUPLE -- I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND BUDGET NOW. AT 10:30. DOES THIS LEGISLATION APPROPRIATE ANY MONEY FROM THE GENERAL FUND? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, NO IT DOES NOT. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: ALLSTRUCTLY THROUGH FUND 201? IT DOESN'T APPROPRIATE NONE OF THE MONEY INCLUDED IN THIS COMES FROM 110 FOR OPERATING OR ANYTHING? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, THIS IS STRICTLY OPIOID SETTLEMENT FUND BEING APPROPRIATED. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: WHICH ALL GOES TO 201 AND COMES OUT OF 201, CORRECT? THERE'S NO COMMINGLING OF FUNDS FROM 110? >> COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, THAT'S CORRECT. NO COMMINGLING. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR ROGERS, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, COUNCILOR GROUT, OR COUNCILOR CHAMPINE TO CLOSE. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT, WE URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION IS FOR R-141 AS AMENDED. -- NOT AS AMENDED. OH, NO, IT WAS AMENDED. WE DID DO ONE. [ ROLL CALL ] -- >>COUN. BASSAN: IT'S JUST R-141. THANK YOU. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. FOR THE RECORD, I WOULD LIKE TO SOMEHOW WORK WITH ALL THE ATTORNEYS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN ON TWO HEARINGS OR NOT ABOUT BUDGETARY EVERYTHING. WHETHER WE NEED TO DEFER AND WHETHER WE DON'T AND WHICH ONE IT APPLIES TO AND WHICH ONE IT DOESN'T. IT SEEMS LIKE WE BASE THIS OFF OF WHO WANTS IT MORE. WE NEED TO CLARIFY THAT IN AN ORDINANCE UPDATE. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, THERE'S AN ORDINANCE WORKING THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT AMENDS THE ENTIRE BUDGET PROCESS. WE'VE TAKEN NOTES ON THAT AND WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING AVAILABLE TO CLARIFY THE BUJT BUJT . >>COUN. SANCHEZ: R-144 DIRECTING THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT TO CONDUCT A SURVEY OF EMPLOYEE SATISFACTION WITH THE CITY BENEFITS PACKAGE. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION, AND SECOND FROM COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THIS BILL CAME TO FRUITION WITH US SITTING DOWN AND HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE UNIONS AND THEM SHOWING CONCERN IN REFERENCE TO THE BENEFIT PACKAGE AS IT STANDS. WE JUST FELT IT WILL BE IMPORTANT TO HAVE EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO WEIGH IN A SATISFACTION SURVEY REGARDING ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT HEALTH BENEFITS OR ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT BENEFITS AND THAT'S HEALTH INSURANCE. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WE MAKE SURE WE MEET EVERY EXPECTATION AND NEED OF EVERY CITY EMPLOYEE. IN REFERENCE TO WHAT THEIR PACKAGE IS. MYSELF, I'VE BEEN A LIFELONG CITY EMPLOYEE FOR 26 YEARS. NOW ANOTHER FOUR YEARS AS A CITY COUNCILOR. THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT BENEFITS IS OUR HEALTH INSURANCE. AND ME HEARING ISSUES FROM OUR CITY EMPLOYEES BROUGHT THIS TO FRUITION. I THINK IF WE CAN GATHER THIS FEEDBACK THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO HELP THE EMPLOYEES UNDERSTAND OR HELP THE ADMINISTRATION UNDERSTAND THE EMPLOYEE NEEDS AND MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER FOR THEM, A NICER PLACE TO WORK, EASIER PLACE TO WORK. AND THEY UNDERSTAND FULLY WHAT THE BENEFITS ARE. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS -- COUNCILOR GROUT, DID YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING? >>COUN. GROUT: MADAM PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ ASKED ME IF I WOULD LIKE TO SIGN ON WITH THIS. AFTER GIVING IT SOME THOUGHT, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A RECENT SURVEY THAT PEOPLE TOOK ON DENTAL INSURANCE. I HAVE HAD, OVER THE LAST YEAR, HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE REACH OUT TO ME VERY DISAPPOINTED WITH THE BENEFITS WE HAVE. I KNOW THAT IT HAS BEEN DIFFICULT EVEN FOR ME TO FIND SOMEBODY TO GO TO SOMETIMES. I THOUGHT, SURE, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. AND LET'S SEE WHAT PEOPLE SAY. NOW THAT WE'VE HAD IT FOR YEAR, LET'S SEE IF THESE CONCERNS ARE -- IF A LOT MORE PEOPLE ARE HAVING THE ISSUES OR IF IT'S JUST ISOLATED. I KNOW THE DIRECTOR WAS TRYING TO GET A HOLD OF ME, BUT I DIDN'T HAVE TWO MADAM PRESIDENT. AS AN EMPLOYEE, I REMEMBER BENEFIT SURVEYS. I JUST WANT TO TALK TO THE DIRECTOR OF HR AND TELL US -- I REMEMBER TAKING A BENEFIT SURVEY NOT SPECIFICALLY JUST ON DENTAL. I KNOW FROM DOING BENEFITS IN HR AT CNM WHEN WE MAKE A CHANGE THERE'S A SPIKE IN COMPLAINT FROM THE CHANGES. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT BEING REACTIONARY BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THINGS LIKE DEFINED FITNESS BEING GONE FROM OUR PACKAGES. CAN YOU TALK TO US ABOUT WHAT WE ALREADY DO FOR BENEFIT SURVEYS. >> CERTAINLY, MADAM PRESIDENT. COUNCILOR ROGERS, WE'VE DONE TWO LEVELS OF SURVEYING IN JUST THIS YEAR. WITH OUR ENGAGEMENT SURVEY WE INCLUDED A LIMITED SET OF QUESTIONS TO GET A SENSE OF WHERE EMPLOYEES MAY HAVE BEEN SOME KIND OF DIFFICULTY. FROM THAT, WE LEARNED THERE WERE TWO AREAS WHERE PEOPLE EXPRESSING DIFFICULTY. THOSE WERE WITH DENTAL COVERAGE AND MEDICAL COVERAGE. WE FOLLOWED THAT UP WITH A SPECIFIC SURVEY ABOUT DENTAL COVERAGE. SO WE CAN GET INFORMATION ABOUT THAT. THE OVERWHELMING RESPONSE WAS THAT PEOPLE WANTED TO SAY MORE ABOUT THE MEDICAL COVERAGE THAN DENTAL. WE ALREADY ARE WORKING WITH OUR CONSULTANT TO DEVELOP A WAY TO CREATE A BENCHMARK SURVEY TO COMPARE OUR RESULTS WITH OTHER SIMILAR ORGANIZATIONS. THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT IN THIS REALM BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF BACKGROUND NOISE THAT COME WITHES WITH THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IN GENERAL AND TRYING TO ACTUALLY FIGURE OUT WHAT PEOPLE'S DISFACTION OR ISSUES WITH OUR PARTICULAR SET OF THINGS AS OPPOSED TO THE GENERAL STATE OF THINGS. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I'M ALL ABOUT ASKING FOLKS WHAT THEY WANT AND WHAT THEY'RE NOT HAPPY WITH. I GUESS MY MAJOR CONCERN IS THAT WE ARE DIRECTING YOU TO RETAIN A CONSULTANT TO DESIGN AND CONDUCT A SURVEY AND I DON'T SEE AN APPROPRIATION. IN THE PAST WHEN I TRY TO DIRECT SOMEONE WITHIN THE CITY, I ALWAYS HAD TO DO AN APPROPRIATION. I WONDER IF WE HAVE FUNDS AVAILABLE THAT WE COULD USE. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE THE CONSULTANT ON BOARD. IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN AFFORD TO DO IN THE EXISTING CONTRACT? OR ARE WE GIVING YOU AN UNFUNDED MANDATE. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, I WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU NOT FORCE ME TO HIRE ANOTHER CONSULTANT. WE ALREADY HAVE ONE, McGRIFFE LLC. THESE SURVEYS INTERACTION IS WELL WITHIN THE SCOPE OF SERVICES WE HAVE THEM ON BOARD FOR. THEY HELP US ADMINISTER OUR DENTAL SURVEY. THEY CAN PROVIDE A HOST OF MATERIALS ABOUT HOW TO CREATE AN EFFECTIVE HEALTH INSURANCE SURVEY. SO, RATHER THAN DEALING WITH A NEW APPROPRIATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, I WOULD REQUEST WE SKIP THAT PART AND LET US CARRY ON WITH THE CONSULTANT WE HAVE. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. DO WE HAVE MONEY IN THE CONTRACT THAT WE CURRENTLY WITH THE ONE CONSULTANT TO DO THIS ADDITIONAL SURVEY WORK? OR WOULD IT BE TAKING AWAY MONEY FROM SOMETHING YOU HAVE PLANNED? I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF IT'S UNDER THE SCOPE OF THE CONTRACT YOU HAVE ALREADY THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE ADDITIONAL FUNDING. >> COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, IT IS WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE CONTRACT WE HAVE ALREADY. IT WOULD NOT BE AN ADDITIONAL EXPENSE ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WE'RE COMMITTED TO. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM CAO. >> I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THE SCOPE WE HAVE WITHIN HR IS TO DO THIS WORK ALREADY. WE ALREADY HAVE IT WITHIN OUR WORK PLAN WITHIN HR. DIRECTOR STOKER HAS DONE A GREAT JOB ENSURING WE HAVE A HIGHLY QUALIFIED CONTRACTOR THAT CAN BENCHMARK AGAINST OTHERS. BOTH COUNCILOR ROGERS AND DIRECTOR STOKER WERE CLEAR THAT WE KNOW WHEN WE MAKE CHANGE TO BENEFITS AND FOLKS NOT ONLY ARE THEY UPSET WITH THE SPECIFICS OF WHAT WE'VE DONE BUT ALSO OPENS THE DOOR TO BEING FRUSTRATED ABOUT HEALTH CARE, FRUSTRATED ABOUT DENTAL CARE, AND WE SAW THAT IN THE COMMENTS AS WELL. I THINK WHAT THE POINT IS THIS IS ALREADY IN OUR WORK PLAN TO ENSURE TO DO THESE SURVEYS TO ENSURE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR EMPLOYEES ARE FRUSTRATED WITH, WHAT THEY LIKE, WHERE THEY'RE FINDING VALUE, WHERE THEY'RE HOPING FOR US TO CONSIDER OTHER OPPORTUNITIES. THAT IS -- WE HAVE A CONTRACT ALREADY. WE HAVE A CONTRACTOR THAT'S HIGHLY QUALIFIED. THAT IS FUNDED. IT'S ALREADY IN OUR WORK PLAN. I THINK THE POINT IS IT'S THERE. WE'RE DOING THIS WORK. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: SO, THE PASSAGE OF THIS LEGISLATION, IS THERE ANYTHING IN THIS START. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR -- THE QUESTION IS FOR APD. I SUBMITTED A QUESTION. WHAT IS THE HIRING PROCESS FOR THE COMMAND STAFF FOR THE CHIEF? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, THEY WILL SEND YOU THE ANSWERS TO IT. THE PROCESS FOR THE POLICE COMMAND STAFF, THEY GO THROUGH OBVIOUSLY MULTIPLE STEPS. ONE OF THE FIRST INITIAL STEPS ARE GOING TO BE THE APPLICATION AND RESUME REVIEW. DURING THAT'S PROCESS, WE'RE LOOKING AT PERFORMANCE EVALUATIONS, DISCIPLINARY ISSUES, RECORDS, AND ACCOMMODATIONS AND AWARD AND QUALIFICATIONS. THE SECOND PORTION OF THAT PROCESS IS GOING TO BE INTERVIEW WITH RESPECTIVE DEPUTY CHIEF THAT INDIVIDUAL IS REQUESTING TO ACQUISITION. UPON THAT, IF THE INDIVIDUAL CONTINUES TO GO FURTHER, THEY WILL HAVE AN INTERVIEW WITH THE CHIEF OF POLICE. ONCE THAT PROCESS IS COMPLETED WITH THE INTERVIEWS THAT CHIEF OF POLICE WILL DO AN INTERIM APPOINTMENT WHICH LASTS SIX MONTHS. UPON THAT, THERE'S ANOTHER REVIEW OF THE PERFORMANCE THAT INDIVIDUAL HAS ESTABLISHED IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS. UPON THAT COMPLETION OF THE SIX MONTHS AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE BEING EVALUATED IS DECISION-MAKING PROBLEM-SOLVING, LEADERSHIP EFFECTIVENESS, TEAM MANAGEMENT AND OVERALL EFFICIENCY AND CRIME REDUCTION STRATEGIES. AND OF COURSE, COMMUNICATION, COLLABORATION WITH COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS. UPON THAT SIX MONTHS, THEY'RE GOING TO DO THE FINAL INTERVIEW AND THE APPOINTMENT DECISION. THAT'S WHERE ANOTHER INTERVIEW CONDUCTED WITH THE CHIEF OF POLICE, THE MAYOR, CAO, AND RESPECTED DEPUTY CHIEF OR CHIEF OF STAFF OF THE BUREAU. ONCE THAT IS COMPLETED AND THE OFFICIAL PROMOTION LITTLE BEGIN AFTER THAT. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, SIR. WE LEARNED THIS AT THE LAST BUDGET MEETING, BUT WE HAVE A FIRST COMMANDER, FIRST DEPUTY COMMANDER AND THE DEPUTY COMMANDER AND A MAJOR AND A COMMANDER OR A MAJOR AND COMMAND. ARE THE FIRST COMMANDER AND DEPUTY COMMANDER AS PART OF THE COMMAND STAFF? >> THE RANKING STARTS AT DEPUTY COMMANDER. AND FIRST DEPUTY COMMANDER IS GOING TO BE THE NEXT RANK. AND IT GOES TO COMMANDER AND FIRST COMMANDER. AND IT WILL GO TO MAJOR AND IT WILL GO TO CHIEF OF STAFF AND IT WILL BE DEPUTY CHIEF AND THEN CHIEF OF POLICE. UNDER THE CHIEF OF POLICE, OF COURSE, THERE'S SUPERINTENDENT OF POLICE REFORM, WHICH IS UNDER A DIFFERENT CHAIN OF COMMAND. THAT WOULD BE THE RANK STRUCTURE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: SO ALL 49 OF THEM FALL UNDER THAT COMMAND? >> YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THAT WAS MY POINT OF CLARIFICATION. PERFECT. MY SECOND QUESTION, MADAM PRESIDENT, IT'S MORE PERSONAL ONE FOR ME BECAUSE IT WAS ONE OF MY FIRST ACTS WAS TO GO TO SANTA FE LAST YEAR AND ADVOCATE FOR SPENDING FOR A POLICE HELICOPTER. STATE GAVE HALF THE MONEY, CITY COUNCIL BUDGET FOUND THE OTHER HALF AND WE PURCHASE WITHEDED ONE. >> THE NEW HELICOPTER DID COME. IT WAS ACTUALLY LAST MONTH. APRIL 4th. THEY ARE ACTUALLY DOING SOME THINGS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ACTUAL HELICOPTER HAS THE PROPER RADIO EQUIPMENT. OF COURSE, NEXT WEEK, THERE'S GOING TO BE TRAVELING TO GET SOME SORT OF PAINTING AND EQUIPMENT DONE. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT'S NOT FULLY OPERATIONAL UNTIL ALL THAT IS COMPLETED. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MADAM PRESIDENT, IS THERE GOING TO BE -- ONCE THAT'S ALL DONE, IS THERE GOING TO BE A PRESS RELEASE? >> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE WILL BE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, WHEN WE GOT OUR FIRST ONE BACK IN 2020, STATE POLICE GOT THEIRS AT THE SAME TIME. HANGER ONE WHO OUTFITTED THE HELICOPTER REQUESTED WE GO TO THE ANNUAL CONVENTION TO SHOW OFF AND DO A PR CAMPAIGN. IS THAT BEING DISCUSSED AGAIN. WE WEREN'T ABLE TO TAKE THOSE LAST TIME? HANGER ONE HAD REALLY RUSHED THIS THROUGH. AND AVERAGE TIMES TAKES ABOUT 18 MONTHS TO BUILD OUT, THEY DID IT IN LESS THAN A YEAR. IS THAT BEING THOUGHT OF TO GO TO IN PHOENIX IN JULY? >> COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, I DON'T KNOW. I COULD FIND OUT FOR YOU. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: I JUST REMEMBER BEING VERY ADIMATE THEY WANTED TO SHOW OFF THE EQUIPMENT AND BE A PR CAMPAIGN. >> I HAVE NOT HEARD. BUT I'LL CHECK INTO IT. I'LL MAKE SURE TO GET YOU AN ANSWER. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCILOR, I KNOW YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS. IF YOU DON'T MIND, CAN WE SEE IF ANYONE ELSE HAS QUESTIONS FOR THE DEPARTMENT? COUNCILORS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR APD? COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I KNOW YOU AND I SPOKE ABOUT THE NATIONAL GUARD. AND I'M DOUBLE CHECKING TO SEE IF I RECEIVED THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE NATIONAL GUARD COMMANDER. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, WE ARE STILL IN TALKS WITH THE ACTUAL TOWN HALL STUFF THAT WE'RE TAKING ABOUT. IS THAT THE PHONE CONVERSATION YOU'RE -- >>COUN. ROGERS: IT WAS THE PHONE CONVERSATION AND ALSO MY LINE OF QUESTIONING ABOUT NATIONAL GUARD AND BEING IN CONTACT WITH THEM DIRECTLY. AND BEING INVOLVED IN THE PLANNING OF THE TOWN HALL. I HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANYTHING. >> WE'RE IN THE INITIAL STAGES. WE'RE WORKING WITH OEI. AND WE'LL MAKE SURE YOU'RE IN CONTACT. WE HAVE NOT SET ANY DATES. I WILL MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE DO HAVE THOSE DATES PRIOR TO THEM GOING IN SERVICE THAT YOU'RE INVOLVED. >>COUN. ROGERS: WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS TO BE INVOLVED IN THE PLANNING PROCESS. I SAID THAT VERY CLEARLY. IN MY EXPERIENCE, YOUR AMBASSADORS -- I'VE HAD TO DO THAT TRAINING FOR YOUR AMBASSADORS ON COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. WE'RE NOT THERE YET. WHAT I'M SAYING IS I WOULD LIKE TO BE INVOLVED IN THE PLANNING. HOW DO YOU KNOW IF I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU JUST GIVE ME DATES ? I HAVE FAITH IN OEI, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO PERSONALLY BE INVOLVED IN THE PLANNING. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR APD? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE SIR. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MADAM PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. QUESTION FOR THE ADMINISTRATION IN REFERENCE TO THE HOMELESS PET ISSUE. THAT CAME UP A COUPLE MEETINGS AGO. IS THERE AN UPDATE BECAUSE THERE'S A MENTION THAT THERE WAS WITH A HOMELESS PERSON BREEDING DOGS AND SELLING THEM. THE REASON I BROUGHT IT UP IS BECAUSE MORE RECENTLY I WAS ADVISED OF A FIGHT BETWEEN TWO HOMELESS PEOPLE AND A DOG GOT INVOLVED AND THE DOG GOT STAND. APPARENTLY. I DON'T KNOW IF THE DOG DIED OR NOT. I WANT TO SEE IF OUR ANIMAL CONTROL HAS UPDATE IF THEY'RE OUTREACHING TO THE HOMELESS ABOUT PETS. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, THE DIRECTOR OF ANIMAL WELFARE SENT OVER ANSWERS. I'M GOING TO WORK FROM HER ANSWERS SHE SENT. SHE HAD HEARD SIMILAR CONCERNS IN EARLY JANUARY AS TO WHAT YOU DESCRIBED. SO, SHE WENT INTO THE COMMUNITY WORKING WITH MEMBERS THAT DELIVER FOOD TO THE UNHOUSED ON SUNDAYS. THEY PROVIDE JACKETS AND LEASHES AND OTHER THINGS FOR ANIMALS, PRIMARILY DOGS, IN ENCAMPMENTS. THEY WENT TO MULTIPLE LOCATIONS WHICH SHE LISTED IN THE RESPONSE AND WHAT SHE FOUND WAS THE OPPORTUNITY THAT SHE HAD WAS TO PUT THE LEASHES AND CALLERS AND JACKETS AND THINGS ON THE DOGS. THEY WERE VERY FRIENDLY. THERE WEREN'T CONCERNS THAT THEY COULD SEE. SHE SAW THEY WERE NOT WELL NOURISHED AND WELL CARED FOR. SHE SAW THAT THERE WERE LOTS OF ANIMALS THAT BOTH LOVE THEIR PEOPLE, AND OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE THAT LOVE THEIR PETS. SHE ALSO SAW OPPORTUNITY THAT NEEDED -- SO SHE MENTIONED THAT SHE WENT BACK AND STARTED THINKING ABOUT WHAT WE COULD DO. ON OCTOBER 9th, THE ACS, AND ANIMAL WELFARE AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO FREQUENT THAT LOCATION WENT TO THE ROCK OF NOON DAY TO ADMINISTER DISTEMPER AND PARVO VACCINATIONS TO DOGS OF THE UNHOUSED. THEY VACCINATED 18 DOGS UNDER FIVE MONTH AND OVER FIVE MONTHS. THEY GAVE OUT LEASHES AND SPOKE WITH THE OWNERS ABOUT SPAY AND NEUTER. ALL PETS THEY LOOKED AT WERE HEALTHY AND NO SIGNS OF PARVO. ACS WAS ABLE TO SUPPORT FIVE INDIVIDUALS WITH SERVICES. THE SAME TEAM WENT BACK TO THE ROCK AND THEY VACCINATED TWO DOGS. ON APRIL 18th, THEY WENT TO THE GATEWAY WEST AND -- I'M SORRY. FOR TWO HOURS TO VACCINATE THE PETS THAT ARE THERE FOR DISTEMPER, PARVO, AND RABIES AND THEY DID MICROCHIPPING. THERE'S A VOLUNTEER VETERINARIAN THAT IS SUPPORTING IN THAT WORK. AND VOLUNTEERING THEIR TIME. AND THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO TAKE THE WE CARAVAN TO GATEWAY WEST TO FULLY VACCINATE AND MICROCHIP PETS THERE AS WELL. WHICH MEANS THEY'RE CHECKING FOR MALNUTRITION AND OTHER OPPORTUNITIES. THEY ARE ALSO SPEAKING TO ANYONE WHO HAS ANIMALS ABOUT SPAY AND NEUTER AND HOW THEY MAY BE ABLE TO BUS OR TAKE IN PETS FROM THE SHELTER AND RETURN THEM BACK TO THE SHELTER AFTER THEY'VE HAD SPAY AND NEUTERING DONE SO IT DOESN'T REQUIRE PEOPLE TO GET THEIR ANIMALS TO THE SPAY AND NEUTER CLINICS. THAT'S STILL IN THE WORKS TO DETERMINE HOW TO DO THAT. THEY WILL BE CONTINUING TO FOCUS ON ONE ENCAMPMENT AT A TIME AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE MOVING THROUGH TO BUILD TRUST AND ENSURE THEY'RE TAKING CARE OF ANIMALS. THEY ALSO RESPOND TO 311 WHICH WE -- SOME OF WHAT YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR QUESTIONS IS WHAT THE KINDS OF CONCERNS WE EXPRESSED IN 311. THEY MADE SURE TO BE RESPONSIVE IN THE COMMUNITY. THEY'RE WORKING ON UTILIZE THE HEART ORDINANCE. THEY'RE WORKING IN PARTNERSHIP WITH COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN TO SEE WHAT OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE TO LOOK AT PROCESS ON CITATIONS AND COURT ORDERS AND COURT AND PROCESSING FOR WARRANTS. SO OUR HANDS ARE LEFT TIED RELATED TO ENFORCEMENT. I THINK THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS IN THOSE WORKS IN THAT REVISION THAT WILL GIVE THEM EVEN MORE ABILITY TO CONTINUE THIS AND DO IT EFFECTIVELY. SHE ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THE NUISANCE ABATEMENT ORDINANCE YOU ALL SUPPORTED, THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ISSUE CIVIL FINES WHICH IS GETTING THEM CLOSER TO COMMUNITIES AND MAKING SURE THE COMMUNITY UNDERSTANDS OUR PET LAWS. AND THAT'S GREAT IMPORTANCE. WE HAVE TO PROTECT HUMANS AND PETS AT THE SAME TIME IN OUR PUBLIC SAFETY. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MADAM PRESIDENT, DR. SENGEL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE -- THE REASON I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT DO HAVE AN UPDATE SO WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS AND WE'RE NOT LEAVING IT IN THE WIND AFTER WE TALK ABOUT IT. ESPECIALLY AFTER LEARNING -- I DIDN'T SEE IT MYSELF, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE POLICE REPORT, BUT AN INCIDENT LIKE THAT WHERE A DOG COULD HAVE BEEN ATTACKED AND THE ABUSE OF A DOG IS BROUGHT UP TO THE ATTENTION. MADAM PRESIDENT, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR THE ADMINISTRATION. I SUBMITTED THIS, BUT THE MAYOR'S EXECUTIVE ORDER OF 100 100% RENEWABLE TO ALL CITY FUNCTIONS. CAN YOU CHIEP -- CHIME IN ON THE DETAILS. I REMEMBER SOMETHING WE DISCUSSED THAT THERE WAS A POWER -- WATER PLANT THAT WE USE THAT USES SOLAR PARKING LOT AND ONLY COVERS ABOUT 40% OF THE POWER FOR THAT INSTALLATION. IS THAT GOING TO BE ADDRESSED TO BE 100%. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, WE HAVE OUR SUSTAINABILITY OFFICER TO SPEAK TO WHAT THE 100% MEANS. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, THE QUESTION IS WHAT MAKES UP THE 100 RENEWABLE? >> YES, MA'AM. >> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. YES. WE USE, IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE, 40 MEGAWATTS OF ENERGY. WE KNOW THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE THE BRAIN AND WE TRACK ALL OF OUR CONSUMPTION AND LOOK AT ALL OF OUR FACILITIES AND WE KNOW WHAT OUR NEED IS. GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE BUY THAT POWER FROM PNM. WE HAVE -- WE GENERATE ABOUT 7.5 MEGAWATTS OF SOLAR ON CERTAIN FACILITIES AROUND THE CITY. IN 2020, WE PURCHASED -- OR WE BECAME A SUBSCRIBER TO PNM SOLAR DIRECT PROGRAM, WHICH GIVES US RENEWABLE ENERGY FROM PNM'S GRID. THAT MADE UP ANOTHER 25 MEGAWATTS. WITH ENERGY EFFICIENCY MEASURES THAT WE DO, FOR EXAMPLE, LIGHTING OUR WATER EFFICIENCY MEASURES, WE BRING THAT DOWN ANOTHER 1 OR 2 MEGAWATTS BUT WE WERE STILL SHORT 6 MEGAWATTS TO GET US TO POWERING OUR GOVERNMENT WITH 100% CLEAN AND RENEWABLE ENERGY. IT'S THAT 6 MEGAWATTS THAT WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO FILL THAT GAP. WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO FILL IT THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. WE -- THANKS TO YOU ALL, WE RECENTLY CONTRACTED WITH SUSTAINABILITY PARTNERS AND A PRIVATE COMPANY THAT WILL HELP US OFFSET THAT LAST SIX MEGAWATTS OF POWER. THE WAY THEY ARE DOING THAT IS INSTEAD OF HAVING THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTING AND BIDDING AND PROCURING AND THEN OPERATING ALL OF THE FACILITIES, WE ARE LETTING SUSTAINABILITY PARTNERS PROVIDE THAT SERVICE AND THEN HELP US OFFSET THE ENERGY WITH JUST A FLAT MONTHLY FEE THAT WILL EITHER MEET OR BE LESS THAN OUR BILL FROM PNM. IT'S CALLED INFRASTRUCTURE AS A SERVICE. IT'S NOT US OWNING THE FACILITY. IT'S THE PRIVATE COMPANY AND YOU ALL HELPED US GET THERE BY PASSING THAT CONTRACT. AND IT WILL BE ON 10 TO 25 SITES ACROSS THE CITY. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU FOR THE EXPLANATION. I APPRECIATE THE PATIENCE OF THE FELLOW COUNCILORS FOR THE QUESTIONS. WE'RE REALLY ONLY TALKING ABOUT ELECTRICITY, NOT GAS? >> RIGHT. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: WE HEAT WITH NATURAL GAS. >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ELECTRICITY OFFSET. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: OKAY. SO IT'S NOT 100% RENEWABLE TO ALL BUILDINGS BECAUSE WE STILL USE GAS. >> WE ARE OFFSETTING WHAT WE'RE USING. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: IS THERE ANY PLANS TO START IMPLEMENTING OUR FLEET WITH MORE ELECTRIC VEHICLES BECAUSE WE'RE PUSHING THIS 100%? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, WE DO ANTICIPATE DOWN THE ROAD AS WE BRING ON MORE ELECTRIC BUSES AND WE DO CONVERT OUR FLEET TO ELECTRIC OR HYBRID, OUR LOAD WILL GO UP. THERE ARE OTHER WAYS WE CAN ADD TO THAT OFFSET. COMMUNITY SOLAR IS ONE OF THEM. ADDITIONAL SOLAR FACILITIES FROM AN ORGANIZATION LIKE THE SUSTAINABILITY PARTNERS OR ANOTHER ORGANIZATION OR EVEN GENERATING OUR OWN ELECTRICITY WITH OUR OWN NEW SOLAR INSTALLATION. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: OKAY. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR SUSTAINABILITY? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY BECAUSE I READ THE EXECUTIVE ORDER AND IT SAYS 100% RENEWABLE ENERGY. YOU JUST SAID WE'RE NOT GOING TO 100% ARE NEWABLE ENERGY. WE'RE GOING TO 1030% RENEWABLE ELECTRICITY. >> YES. THE GOAL -- WE'LL MEET OUR GOAL OF 100% RENEWABLE. THAT MEANS WE'LL BE POWERING OUR GOVERNMENT WITH CLEAN ENERGY. THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: MADAM PRESIDENT, THAT IS NOT TRUE. WE WILL NOT BE HAVING 100% RENEWABLE ENERGY. ENERGY COMES FROM NATURAL GAS AS WELL. WE'RE STILL USING NATURAL GAS IN OUR CITY FACILITIES. I DON'T APPRECIATE THIS TYPE OF GREENWASHING. IT IS GREAT WE'RE GOING TO GET 100% RENEWABLE ELECTRICITY. I THINK WE SHOULD STOP USING WORDS THAT DON'T MEAN ANYTHING. WHAT YOU'RE TEALING -- TELLING US IS WE'RE GOING TO GO 100% RENEWABLE ELECTRICITY NOT CLEAN ENERGY FOR CITY BUILDINGS. DID I MISUNDERSTAND SOMETHING? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE OFFSETTING OUR ELECTRICITY USE. AND WE ARE REDUCING OUR LOAD. SO, WHEN WE -- THE LESS GRID ENERGY AND THAT INCLUDES GAS AND ELECTRIC THAT WE HAVE TO BUY FROM PNM OR THE ELECTRIC GAS COMPANY, THE BETTER OFF WE ARE. THE MORE INSTALLATIONS WE HAVE ON OUR FACILITIES, THE BETTER WE ARE. AND THE CLOSER WE ARE TO THE 100% RENEWABLE GOAL. WE KNOW WE USE 40 MEGAWATTS. IT IS A MIX. BUT WE'RE NOW OFFSETTING 40 MEGAWATTS WITH RENEWABLE ENERGY. WE WILL BE AT 100%. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THAT'S NOT TRUE. WE'RE NOT STOPPING USING NATURAL GAS IN THE BUILDINGS. THAT IS A FACT WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO GREEN WASH. WE ARE USING NATURAL GAS IN THE BUILDING. THERE IS VERY LITTLE MOVEMENT TOWARD REDUCING THAT AMOUNT. WHEN WE TELL THE PEOPLE OF ALBUQUERQUE THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE 100% RENEWABLE ENERGY FOR CITY BUILDINGS, WE ARE LYING TO THEM. PERIOD. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR SUSTAINABILITY? THANK YOU. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >>COUN. CHAMPINE: NO, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. QUESTIONS ON R-22-76. THAT IS THE NOISE CAMERAS. THAT WAS PASSED IN 2023. >>COUN. BASSAN: COME ON DOWN, DIRECTOR. I'M SURE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. >>COUN. BACA: DOCTOR, YOU AND I SPOKE ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO AND HE WENT ON VACATION. HE DID PREPARE A REPORT FOR ME. I APPRECIATE THAT. BEFORE THAT, WHEN WERE YOU -- WHEN DID YOU SPEAK TO APD TO GET INVOLVED? >> THAT WAS SUMMER OF LAST YEAR. >>COUN. BACA: OKAY. THIS WAS PASSED IN 2022. AND PART OF IT SAID WE SHALL DO A REPORT WITHIN THREE MONTHS AND YOU SHALL BEGIN THE PROJECT WITHIN THREE MONTHS OF THAT. THAT WOULD PUT US IN 2023. >> YES. >>COUN. BACA: THIS IS ACTUALLY FOR CAO SENGEL. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BACA, I'M TRYING TO LOOK UP THE LEGISLATION SO I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE REFERENCING. >>COUN. BACA: SECOND THREE ADMINISTRATION SHALL REPORT WITHIN THREE MONTHS OF THIS ENACTMENT AND HAVE A TEST PROGRAM FOR THREE MONTHS THEREAFTER. >> I THINK YOUR QUESTION IS THAT EQUALS SIX MONTHS AFTER PASSING? >>COUN. BACA: RIGHT. AND I BROUGHT THIS BACK UP IN LAST SUMMER. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN 2024. NOW WE'RE IN 2025. BEFORE I GET TO DR. LEECH. >> I'M SORRY. MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BACA, CITY ATTORNEY JUST REMINDED ME THAT DEPUTY CHIEF JOSH BROWN GAVE AN UPDATE ON THIS ITEM. >>COUN. BACA: YES. TO START A PILOT PROGRAM. I KNOW THEY STILL HAVEN'T DONE THE PILOT PROGRAM BECAUSE HE WASN'T ABLE TO. HE DID SOME PRELIMINARY DATA THAT I SAW. VERY PRELIMINARY. I SPOKE WITH DR. LEECH. HE HAD SOME CONCERNS. THAT'S WHY I ASKED WHAT ARE THE ACTUAL CONCERNS. OF COURSE, THIS IS A YEAR AFTER WE FIRST TALKED ABOUT IT. I KNOW GOVERNMENT TAKES A WHILE. WE JUST BUILT A WHOLE RECOVERY VILLAGE AND GOT SOMEONE ON BOARD IN THAT SAME TIME PERIOD. I'M STILL WAITING FOR THE PILOT PROGRAM. COUNCILOR BENTON'S PILOT PROGRAM. DIRECTOR LEECH SENT ME A REPORT. THERE'S SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE DOCTOR'S SYSTEM. POTENTIALLY, THAT PROTOTYPE WON'T WORK. HE HAS A CONCERN ABOUT APD OFFICERS HAVING TO GO THROUGH EVERYTHING. I THINK IT'S UNFOUNDED WHERE WE HAVE A SPEED CAMERA PROGRAM WHERE THE POLICE OFFICERS DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT IT. WE SPOKE A MONTH AGO AND REFERENCES THE 2016 PAPER FOR HIS REPORT. I'M GLAD HE SWITCHED TO A 2024 PAPER. ESSENTIALLY, THIS LOOKS LIKE A RECOMMENDATION TO GO TO RFP FOR MULTIPLE ENTITIES. WHETHER IT'S -- OR OTHER GROUPS. IS THAT A FAIR ASSESSMENT. >> COUNCILOR BACA, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS TODAY. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE DOCTOR TO TRY TO GET SOMETHING TO WORK AS PROOF OF CONCEPT. WE SPENT A LONG TIME WITH HIM TRYING TO GET WITH SOMEONE THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY DO A GOOD PROOF OF CONCEPT WITH AND GETTING SOMETHING ON THE NETWORK. WE ALSO SPEND A LONG TIME IN TERMS OF THE ADVANTAGE THAT WOULD ACTUALLY GIVE THE COMPETITIVE EDGE IN THE MARKETPLACE. DURING THAT DUE DILIGENCE WE FOUND IT WAS A BETTER PROJECT IN THE MARKET AVAILABLE AT A LOWER RATE. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO TO RFP. I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY A WAY OF PROCURING THIS. WE HAVE SPOKEN TO THE VENDOR. >>COUN. BACA: SO, YOU'RE READY TO GO ON A PILOT PROGRAM? >> YEAH. >>COUN. BACA: I'M FINE WITH THAT. HOWEVER WE DO IT AND GET IT QUICKLY. I WILL SAY THAT IN MEETING WITH THE DOCTOR HE SAID HE WAS GIVEN VERY LITTLE COOPERATION, COULD NOT GET POWER SUPPLY. THERE WAS SOME LEGITIMATE THINGS I THOUGHT IN TERMS OF CONFIDENTIALITY. THERE WAS NO MENTION OF MONEY THE LAST TIME WE SPOKE. THAT'S A NEW THING. I WOULD HAVE BEEN FINE TRYING TO GET FUNDING FOR YOU. HAD THAT BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION A YEAR AGO. I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF SOMEONE LOCAL. THAT'S ALWAYS A GOOD THING AS OPPOSED TO A DUTCH COMPANY. NOTHING AGAINST THEM. THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB. WHEN IS THE PILOT PROGRAM GOING TO START? DO I NEED TO GIVE YOU MONEY FOR THAT AS WELL? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BACA, WE'RE READY TO ROLL WITH THE PROOF OF CONCEPT. THAT COMPANY IS ACTUALLY THE MARKET LEADER RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF WHAT STATE OF THE ART IS. AND TO THE DISCUSSION, ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAD WITH THE APPROACH IS I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO GIVE YOU EXCEPTALLY HIGH RATES OF HITS. CERTAINTY STATE OF THE ART IS USING MICROPHONES. USING THE MICROPHONES AS OPPOSED TO ONE OR TWO. THAT'S A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT DIFFERENCE THAT WE HAVE BETWEEN THE TWO TECHNOLOGIES. WE'RE READY TO MOVE. I THINK WE'LL BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS FUNDING WITH YOU. WE'VE IDENTIFIED THE VENDOR WE'RE HAPPY WITH. >>COUN. BACA: OKAY. READY TO MOVE MEANS BY THE END OF THE SUMMER IF NOT SOONER? >> YEAH. >>COUN. BACA: DR. SENGEL? I CAN COUNT ON THAT? WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION NEXT YEAR? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BACA, YOU CAN COUNT ON US. >>COUN. BACA: OKAY. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DTI? THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, DIRECTOR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ADMIN? I HAVE A FEW. DIRECTOR SIMON, THANK YOU FOR STICKING WITH US. I'LL START WITH YOU BECAUSE I THINK THE OTHER TWO QUESTIONS THERE'S NOT ANYBODY FROM THE DEPARTMENT. DIRECTOR, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS NECESSARILY FROM YOU OR WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION. I MIGHT BE PUTTING YOU IN THE HOT SEAT A LITTLE BIT, JUST TO GIVE YOU A WARNING. I DID RECEIVE THE EMAIL FROM MR. ANDERSON TO PREFACE THIS QUESTION, COUNCILORS, I HAVE RECENTLY TOLD MY ANALYST THAT WE WILL OMIT CONSTITUENT INFORMATION FROM THE EMAILS THAT I SENT TO THE ADMINISTRATION BECAUSE BETWEEN GOV AFFAIRS AND THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS AND HOWEVER EVERYTHING IS OPERATING IN THE ADMINISTRATION SIDE OF THINGS THEY HAVE BEEN TAKING IT UPON THEMSELVES TO REACH OUT TO THE CONSTITUENTS BEFORE THEY REACH OUT TO ME. NOW, WE'RE SENDING FROM MY OFFICE JUST THE QUESTION, AND THE CONCERN, TO EACH OF THE DEPARTMENTS. I'M A LITTLE FRUSTRATED, BUT I DID GET THE ANSWER THAT THIS IS AN ANONYMOUS REQUEST. I DIDN'T GET AN ANSWER AT FIRST. IT WASN'T ANONYMOUS, IT WAS FROM ME. I ACCOUNT AS SOMEBODY. MY QUESTION TO YOU IS ACTUALLY ONE THAT I SENT. YES, THANK YOU FOR RESPONDING AFTER SOME TIME ABOUT SOME 80-YEAR-OLD GOLF COURSE STUFF. I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO ALL THE QUESTIONS. BUT I'M GOING TO READ WHAT THE CONSTITUENT SAID, AND I DON'T WANT TO READ THE ANSWER OUT LOUD. I WOULD LIKE FOR THE ADMINISTRATION, AKA, DIRECTOR SIMON OR MR. ANDERSON, OR SOMEONE ON THE ADMIN SIDE TO READ IT BECAUSE TO ME IT'S ATROCIOUS WHAT I GOT BACK. IT'S EMBARRASSING. IT'S FRUSTRATING. AND THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE SHOULD NOT REACH OUT TO CONSTITUENTS AND REACH THAT ANSWER. THE QUESTION IS, GIVEN THE CONSISTENTLY POOR CONDITIONS OUTLENNED ABOVE, THE CURRENT FEES, TALKING ABOUT GOLF COURSES, FOR PLAYING THE COURSES ARE UNREASONABLE. CHARGING PREMIUM FOR SUBPAR FACILITIES IS UNACCEPTABLE AND SHOWS A DISREGARD FOR THOSE THAT USE THESE AMENITIES. IT GOES TO REQUEST THAT WE LOWER THE FEES. THAT'S THEIR PURVIEW. PLEASE GO AHEAD AND GIVE DIRECTOR SIMON THE RESPONSE THAT I RECEIVED FROM THE ADMINISTRATION. YOU'RE WELCOME TO READ THAT ENTIRE PARAGRAPH, BUT I HIGHLIGHTED THE THREE MOST SIGNIFICANT PORTIONS THAT I FIND REALLY REPREHENSIBLE. >> I HAVE THOSE ANSWERS TOO, MADAM CHAIR. I'LL BE HAPPY TO READ THE RESPONSE. THIS WAS THE FINAL QUESTION. FIRST, MADAM CHAIR, LET ME SAY IF WE RESPOND TO ANY CONSTITUENTS WITHOUT GOING THROUGH YOU, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. THAT WAS NOT INTENDED. >>COUN. BASSAN: I APPRECIATE THAT. IN ALL FAIRNESS, IT'S NOT JUST YOUR DEPARTMENT. >> I'M JUST INTERESTED IN GETTING YOUR VIEW AND CONSTITUENTS THE ANSWER. I TAKE IT AS PLEASE GET THE CONSTITUENT THE ANSWER. WE CAN MODIFY THAT PRACTICE TO SHARE THE RESPONSES WITH YOU FIRST AND YOU CAN HANDLE THE CONSTITUENT. I APPRECIATE THE WAY YOU HAVE RESPONDED TO CONSTITUENTS ON OTHER SUBJECTS TOO. GETTING GOOD INFORMATION IS OUR SHARED GOAL. THIS QUESTION WAS NAMELY FOCUSED ON THE FEES, AGAIN, AND THAT COMPARED TO COURSE CONDITIONS. HERE WE GO. OUR CITY GOLF COURSES ARE NOT PRIVATE COUNTRY CLUB COURSES WHICH OPERATE UNDER DIFFERENT ECONOMIC MODELS. I CONTINUE TO BELIEVE THAT OUR CITY COURSES ARE THE BEST GOLF VALUE IN THE MIDDLE RIO GRANDE. >>COUN. BASSAN: DIRECTOR, CAN YOU JUST CONTINUE READING. >> THE TRUTH IS THE CITY GOLF COURSES IS THE BEST -- AND THE REALITY THAT CURRENT FEES ARE NOT PREMIUM PRICES. IN FACT, IT'S THE OPPOSITE. CITY RATES ARE ACTUALLY LOW FOR THE MARKET. CURRENT WEEKEND RATE FOR 18 HOLES IS THE GREENS FEE ONLY, NOT INCLUDING CART, IS ONLY $27. THAT WOULD BE THE WEEKDAY RATE, OR $43.50. THIS IS VERSUS RATES AT 37 AND $52 AT UNM. RATES FOR PRIVATE INDOOR PUEBLO COURSES RANGE FROM $66 FROM $91. OUR ANNUAL PASS IS A BETTER DEAL FOR THE FREQUENT GOLFER. MAINTENANCE AND OVERALL CONDITIONS AT CITY COURSES ARE FUNCTION OF STAFFING, AND CAPITAL INVESTMENTS. PRD DOES THE BEST WITH WHAT WE CAN WITH WHAT WE'RE PROVIDED. WE DO NOT HAVE AN UNLIMITED CAPITAL INVESTMENT FUND. WHILE CONDITIONS ARE NOT UP TO THE STANDARDS, A RATE REDUCTION IS NOT WARRANTED. WHEN WE HAVE HAD TEMPORARILY FACED SIMILAR CHALLENGING COURSE CONDITIONS IN THE PAST, THERE HAVE NOT BEEN RATE REDUCTIONS. GOLFERS WHO ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THE COURSE CONDITIONS CAN PLAY OTHER CITY COURSES OR TAKE THEIR GAME TO OTHER MUNICIPAL OR PRIVATE COURSES. I WILL ALSO ADD SINCE I WROTE THESE THIS AFTERNOON, I THINK EVALUATING OUR FEES WE DO THAT ALL THE TIME. AND WE'RE HAPPY TO EVALUATE TEMPORARY FEE CONDITIONS AT THE COURSES. AS WE TRY TO FIX ADO, WE'RE GOING TO SEE DOING THAT IN PIECES. IN A SENSE, PIECES OF THE COURSE -- THE PLAYING EXPERIENCE WILL CHANGE THERE WHICH MAY REFLECT A REASONABLE FEE ACCOMMODATION. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. I APPRECIATE THAT. THE POINT I WANT TO MAKE IS THE RESPONSE I GOT BACK FROM THE ADMINISTRATION IS TELL YOUR CONSTITUENT, IF THEY DON'T LIKE THEIR CITY COURSES, THEY CAN GO PLAY SOMEWHERE ELSE. THAT'S GROSS. ESPECIALLY WHEN LAST WEEK AT OUR BUDGET MEETING WE WERE TOLD YOU DON'T NEED MORE MONEY AND YOU WERE HAPPY WITH YOUR BUDGET. I HAVE TO BRING THAT TO EVERYONE'S ATTENTION. THAT'S JUST GROSS. I'M TRYING NOT TO BE BE MEAN OR DISRESPECTFUL TO ANYBODY. THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO SEND BACK TO MY CONSTITUENT TOMORROW. THAT IS SHAMEFUL IN MY OPINION HOW THE CITY SHOULD OPERATE. IT SAYS GOLFERS WHO ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THE CONDITIONS CAN PLAY OTHER CONDITIONS OR TAKE THEIR GAME TO OTHER MUNICIPAL COURSES. PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND WITH THE BUDGET PROCESSES AND HOW WE PROCEED WITH OUR CONSTITUENTS. TO ME, I'M BESIDE MYSELF WITH THAT. I DIDN'T THINK WE SHOULD REDUCE OUR FEE. BUT I CERTAINLY AM EMBARRASSED TO THE CONSTITUENT, BUT I WILL BECAUSE I'M HONEST AND THAT'S WHAT I RECEIVED. >> MADAM CHAIR, MAY I? >>COUN. BASSAN: SURE. >> THE PROCEEDING QUESTION BEFORE THE QUESTION ABOUT FEES ALSO WAS ABOUT CONDITIONS OF COURSES. I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT WE'RE MAKING A ROBUST EFFORT TO CARE FOR THE COURSES AND PARTICULARLY AT THE ONE COURSE ADO THAT CONDITIONS ARE VERY SUBPAR RIGHT NOW, THAT EFFORT IS ROBUST. THE REHABILITATION EFFORT IS UNDERWAY. I APOLOGIZE IF THE TONE WAS NOT APPROPRIATE THERE. I JUST DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO THINK WE WOULD IGNORE A COURSE COMPLETELY AND SAY FORGET ABOUT THAT COURSE AS A PLAYING OPPORTUNITY. WE'RE GOING TO BRING THAT COURSE BACK, MAKING A GOOD EFFORT RIGHT NOW. IT'S UNDERWAY TO BRING ADO BACK. WE'LL SEE COURSE CONDITIONS RAPIDLY. BEFORE WE MOVE ON, I THINK I'VE BEEN ON YOUR CORNER WHEN IT COMES TO CONSTITUENTS REACHING OUT AND WHAT YOU'VE BEEN TELLING THEM. I'VE BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF THAT RESPONSE UNTIL NOW. AT WHICH POINT I'M TRULY EMBARRASSED TO FORWARD THIS TO THE CONSTITUENT. I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO FORWARD YOU THIS SO YOU CAN SEE THE FULL BODY. IT'S NOT THAT I'M JUST HIGHLIGHTING A FEW SELECTIONS. I LEFT A LOT OUT BECAUSE I DO AGREE. YOU GAVE VERY VALID REASONS AS TO WHAT PARKS AND REC DONE AS ADO TO MAKE IMPROVES -- AND WE GOT TO THAT. AND I SAW THAT AND THIS IS EXTRA. I WILL MAKE SURE WE FORWARD THAT TO ALL OF YOU SO YOU CAN SEE THE FULL ENTIRETY THE QUESTION THAT CAME FROM MY CONSTITUENT AND THE RESPONSE AND THE ENTIRETY. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR, FOR WAITING. I DO HAVE TWO MORE QUESTIONS. ONE IS REGARDING THE IDOH AT NORTH DOMINGO BACA. IN PARTICULAR, I HAD RECEIVED AN EMAIL BACK FROM DIRECTOR TURNER OF DOES THE AQUATIC CENTER GOING TO BE UNDER THE POTENTIAL FOR THE 12% IDOH. THE RESPONSE I GOT WAS NOTED THAT THE POs QUOTE-UNQUOTE COULD BE SUBJECT TO THE 12% IDOH IF BILLED BETWEEN APRIL 1st AND JUNE 30th, 2025. MY QUESTION IS, IS THE DEPARTMENT TAKING ANY STEPS TO AVOID BUILDING THOSE CHARGES DURING THIS WINDOW TO PREVENT THE POOL FROM ABSORBING AN INCREASED RATE OF POTENTIALLY OVER $400,000 WHEN WE'RE ALREADY CHASING OUR TAILS ON A MULTI -- TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS PROJECT. AND THE ADMIN IS GOING TO GIVE US HALF A MILLION DOLLARS OF IDOH. SHOULD WE STOP WORK UNTIL AFTER JUNE TO PAY THIS. I'M WORRIED ABOUT PAYING THIS 12%. WE COULD GO AHEAD AND GIVE THE IDOH OF 12%. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO NOT DO THE 12% OF IDOH AT THE NORTH DOMINGO BACA AQUATIC CENTER? >> COUNCILOR BASSAN, I BELIEVE WHAT JENNIFER TURNER WAS TRYING TO SAY IS THOSE POs ARE OPEN. AS THE BILLS COME AND WE PAY THOSE BILLS, THOSE BILLS THAT ARE RECEIVED AND PAID WITHIN THIS TIME WINDOW THAT WE ARE ADJUSTING THE IDOH TO GET A CORRECTION ON IT, ANYTHING THAT'S BILLED DURING THAT TIME WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE 12%. AS IT PATSZS THROUGH OUR PAYABLE PROCESS. I WILL SAY OUR CONTRACTORS BILL REGULARLY. AND MR. MONTOYA CAN SPEAK TO THAT. OUR CONTRACTORS BILL REGULARLY. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HOLD A BILL AT OUR REQUEST. THEY WANT TO GET PAID. WE'RE GOING TO PAY THEM. WE PAY AS PROMPTLY AS WE CAN. WE'RE NOT ADVISING ANYONE TO HOLD BILLS BACK. I WOULD NOT ADVISE ANYONE TO HOLD BILLS BACK. OUR CONTRACTORS NEED TO BE PAID. BILLS THAT GET PROCESSED DURING THAT TIME ON THOSE OPEN POs WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE 12%. >>COUN. BASSAN: I'M NOT ASKING FOR US TO ASK VENDORS TO NOT SUBMIT BILLING TO US FOR THE CONTRACTING WE'RE DOING WITH THEM. WHAT I'M DISAPPOINTED IN IS THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE MAYOR AND YOU, MADAM CAO, HAVE EXPRESSED A UNIFIED PRIORITY IN FINISHING THIS PROJECT. HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO THAT WHEN THE ADMINISTRATION MAKES A DECISION TO IMPOSE A 12% IDOH INCREASING THINGS ON PROJECTS LIKE THIS AND WHATEVER ELSE WHEN I FEEL LIKE THAT'S SETTING ME UP TO LOOK BAD WHEN WE ALREADY CAN'T GET TO THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND IMPOSE A POTENTIAL $500,000 OR MORE BECAUSE WE NEED TO INCREASE IDOH FOR ONLY THREE MONTHS. MR. SOURISSEAU. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE OVERALL IDOH FOR THE YEAR. IT WAS LOW. WE ADJUSTED IT A LITTLE BIT AND A LITTLE BIT MORE. THE AVERAGE IS JUST OVER 5%. IF WE STARTED THE YEAR AT 5%, WE WOULD HAVE 5% IDOH ON ALL OF THE BILLING. WE'RE AVERAGING 5% FOR THE YEAR. >>COUN. BASSAN: I UNDERSTAND THAT. >> THE CONVERSATION ABOUT 12% IS JUST SHORT-TERM TO GETTUSE THE CORRECT AVERAGE FOR THE YEAR. >>COUN. BASSAN: I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND I REMEMBER YOU TELLING US THAT LAST TIME AT THE COUNCIL MEETING. I'M NOT DISREGARDING WHAT YOU'VE SAID. I'M POINTING OUT IN THE EMAIL IT WAS CONFIRMED FROM JENNIFER TURNING TELLING ME THAT WE COULD END UP COSTING ANOTHER HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN THIS. I FIND THAT'S ALSO DISAPPOINTING. WE'RE SELF-SAB -- SELF-SABOTAGING IN THIS CITY. WHAT I THINK IS BONKERS IS WE'RE DOING IT FOR THREE MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR ON PROJECTS LIKE THIS ONE OR MAYBE A COUPLE OTHERS. I JUST DON'T THINK WE'VE FULLY EVALUATED HOW TO MAKE THAT FULL ON THE COMMITMENTS MADE TO US AS COUNCILORS, TO ME AS A COUNCILOR. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. I WAS MADE A COMMITMENT BY THIS MAYOR AND NOW I FEEL LIKE GETTING SELF-SABOTAGED BECAUSE THIS OF AND I THINK THAT'S DISAPPOINTING. IN ADDITION TO ANOTHER $20 MILLION I NEED TO LOOK FOR ANOTHER $500,000. THAT'S FRUSTRATING AND HEART BREAKING. THAT SHOULD BE FOR ALL THE CONSTITUENTS IN ALL OF ALBUQUERQUE AND BEYOND. THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE IS FOR SOLID WASTE. I REALIZED WE FAILED TO SEND THIS IN ADVANCE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE TO TELL YOU BECAUSE ON APRIL 14th I SENT AN EMAIL TO MR. WELEN AND MR. GALLEGOS AND I SAID PLEASE SEE THE EMAIL AND ARE YOU ABLE TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE. IT'S IN REQUEST TO AN UPDATE ON THE RECYCLING CONTRACT. AND I NEVER GOT A RESPONSE. SO, LAST THURSDAY I WENT AHEAD AND SENT IT AGAIN SAYING POPPING THIS TO THE TOP OF YOUR INBOX. I HAVE STILL YET TO GET A RESPONSE. IT WOULD BE LOVELY IF SOMEBODY WOULD RESPOND FOR THE UPDATE OF RECYCLING CONTRACT. PLEASE. COUNCILORS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THAT BEING SAID, THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THIS CITY COUNCIL MEETING IS ADJOURNED.