United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all taken. >> Um approval of the agenda approve. We have a second. >> Second. >> All in favor say I. >> I. >> Unanimous. Motion passes. And approval of the minutes. >> Approve. I'll make a motion. >> Unanimous. Everyone say I. >> I. >> All right. >> I. >> And open form. I do not see any in the open form. >> All right. Brad, you're up. >> All right. >> We're going to go ahead with our ebike presentation in scooters. The only other thing you have to remember is if this person's out of red, they have to watch over. >> All right. Good evening, commission. Um, no fancy PowerPoint or presentation tonight. I'm hoping this can be more of an open forum discussion so I can get your perspective on ebikes and scooters and uh I'm trusting that you've had some conversations with the community because I know it's a hot topic. Um and so really what we're trying to do uh by getting this on your agenda and getting your feedback tonight is just start the dialogue and recognize and acknowledge that this could potentially be um problematic and it's certainly an area of concern with our citizens and we want to get out ahead of that. start the dialogue and just make sure that we're approaching this in a common sense manner uh with safety in mind for everybody that uses our our sidewalks, trails, walkways um and uh that we're not having um avoidable crashes and injuries and and things like that. So, um, so want to get your input on it and then also, um, I can try to answer some questions if you have questions about what constitutes a scooter versus an ebike versus a minibike, things like that. Uh, to be completely honest, it's super confusing and I spent way too many hours trying to digest this and put this in a uh, very readable document. Um, both for your benefit as well as our officers and the public. And so, um, this last month, we've been educating our officers so they can be as, uh, um, brief or as understanding as possible. And phase two is starting to educate the public. So, we're starting to make some stops in the public. Um, enforcement is not the goal at this point. We're not trying to write tickets to kids. Uh, we're just trying to educate um, the riders and parents so that they can make informed decisions and keep safety forefront in their mind. And so, um, we're starting to launch this ride safe campaign, like I said, educating through social media and other means, presentations in public, enforcement stops. Um, we're working on some incentive programs to help incentivize safe riding habits and and wear of safety gear, things like that. Um, so I guess before I get too far into this, I'll pause for a minute and just ask where you like to see this conversation go and see see if you have any comments or questions to help guide this discussion. I know we had a really lengthy conversation about this last year in the fall of the year. Where did that end? I mean, we were really talking about trails though and parks and it's coming outside of that area. That's the issue. Correct. >> It's generally where sidewalks and trails are interfacing or intersecting with streets. That that seems to be the problem at least lately. Um I do see an occasional complaint or hear about a concern on the trails and sidewalks themselves. Uh but for the most part the the incidents are happening at those intersections because they're not yielding to traffic. >> Um so to answer your question, yes, there was a discussion about a year year and a half ago where some ordinance changes were at least considered. Uh at this point there were no ordinance um changes recommended. Basically our ordinance reflects state statute at this point in terms of definitions and obeying traffic laws, things like that. It just refers back to state statute. Um, so we decided not to be more restrictive. Obviously, we're a recreation destination. Um, we want everybody to enjoy our parks, trails, sidewalks, commercial areas. Um, and benefit from these, uh, mobility devices and have fun with those. Um, so we're not trying to be overly restrictive. And to be clear, public safety is not advocating any changes at this point. We're just starting the dialogue to see >> where we need to go with it. >> Yes, ma'am. Can you share maybe some um examples or statistics on like the incidents or complaints that we've had so far? >> I sure can. I came prepared. >> I figured. >> All right. So, first category is electric scooters. We had and this is just this year. So, um year to date 2025, five scooter accidents. Actually, make that seven. three scooter incidents that involved um like an enforcement action. So, it was most likely a complaint by somebody in the public that resulted in patrol responding out there and having contact with the rider. two ebike violations, two ebike accidents, three citizen complaints regarding ebikes, and then minibikes/ dirt bike. There were 16 complaints and I think a handful of those came from the same offender and same concerned citizen. Um there's a problematic rider and a very concerned citizen down in the area of Hamlet Park that keeps calling in about the same same problem. So not to not to diminish the problem, but just know that there's been a handful of calls regarding that same incident. So >> um so overall summarizing this, there's not a ton of incidents. Um we did have a couple ebike crashes happen just within the last couple weeks um that kind of got everybody fired up on social media. Um, and I I know of at least a couple incidents that weren't reported to us, didn't rise to our level. So, there there are some unreported stats. You know, as always with any crime or uh ordinance consideration, you know, there's a lot of stuff that goes unreported. So, >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yep. I'd like to hear more about um them not abiding by the intersection rules. I don't know if I fully understand what the rule is at an intersection for a pedestrian. Um and I'm referring to when they have the red hand or the walk signal. If they have the red hand, do they still have the okay to go? Like let's say they're riding on a an ebike and they're going pretty quickly and they want to go. I would think that they're not allowed to go because they have the red hand, but are they at fault if they get hit? >> So, some of this is a little bit open to interpretation and and I might be a little bit um I might not be 100% accurate on this, but my belief is if they're on the sidewalk, they have to obey the crosswalk signals. If they're in a lane of traffic, they need to obey traffic laws. >> So, that's where the kind of gray area comes in. Um, and if anybody knows differently, feel free to correct me because this is not my area of expertise. So, >> norm she's just that I mean there's a huge issue not only here but statewide and you see them go through >> red light. Do you see them? Now, I know other cities. It's okay to go through a stop sign if you don't see any vehicles coming. And it's okay to go through a red light if you don't see any >> on a bicycle. So, um, but if you get hit, it's it's who has the rightway and who doesn't. And in a situation like that, um, you both have to yield to each other. >> Correct. >> So, isn't it a no fault issue if you get hit in that situation? >> That sounds like a question. Good question for insurance agent. I don't know. >> You know what I mean? I mean, >> when it comes to you, you all have to be watching. So, you could be dead wrong being dead right. And and I think that that is one of these things with scooters and bicyclists and pedestrians right now. Um, I really appreciate that you guys are thinking about the education piece. Um, because a lot of these people who are getting these don't know what they don't know. >> Yeah. >> And they don't know how powerful they are. They don't know the mechanic, the mechanisms of it. And, um, you know, young younger adults are starting to utilize them as their mode of transportation. >> Um, so I do appreciate that an education initiative is out there and there's a lot of turnkey materials. So if you are interested, feel free to reach out because I can you can slap the logo on it and run with it. anything you can send me. >> Yeah. Just on my way home from work today, um I saw probably a 12-year-old, no helmet, riding an ebike. Of course, he had somebody riding >> on on his back pegs. Um not obeying traffic laws. I'm like counting how many how many infractions? How unsafe could you possibly make this act? But that's common place. We see that all the time. The kids just don't know any better and guess parents are just naive to the risk. So, Right. And >> sometimes they don't know what they don't know either. >> Yeah. Absolutely. the lack of protective equipment is what scares me the most. Um like I mean obviously in your profession you've seen many instances where people have an accident by nature it's an accident and it ends very very badly with a head injury on a motor you know an ebike is is common place right like >> it's happening across the state it's happening across the country. The education piece I think is >> like you I'm I'm super excited that you're focusing on the education piece because I think people as you mentioned don't know what they don't know. The parents are just, "Yeah, we just bought him an ebike or we bought him an electric motorcycle off Amazon." And >> shows up and we slap the wheels on it and away you go at 30 miles an hour. No helmet, >> no protective equipment. It's frightening to me. I I work from home and I watch them race down the street. They're not 15 as the as the, you know, the requirements state that they're supposed to be 15. They're not. They don't have helmets on. That part scares me the most. I'm not going to call and complain about them being underage. I'm mostly really scared about their well-being without a helmet, >> right? >> You know, it's easy to get a TBI. You wipe out and, you know, smack the concrete at 30 m hour. A TBI will be probably best case scenario, >> right? >> Green is another really big issue. >> So, as everyone's turning right, they're getting their crosswalk sign. So, they're up here coming on their eback. All they see is green. They're not paying attention to anything else. And so those crashes have really been going up, >> right? >> Hey Nate, what's a TVI? >> Traumatic brain. >> Traumatic brain injury. >> Okay. >> Yeah. It's >> I actually uh I have a friend at that on LinkedIn. We met at a conference in cyber security. He lives in Texas. He passed away this last weekend on a onehe accident. >> Smacked his head. Didn't have a helmet on. You know, he's a grown he's a grown man. he can make the decision on whether or not to wear protective equipment and he chose not to. >> But unfortunately, accidents happen and it's it can happen to anyone. You know, that's what's scary is you have 15-year-old kids that just either they can't afford a helmet, they just don't want to wear a helmet cuz it's not cool, like whatever. So, I think the education piece and then um you know, is there a grant for giving out like you said, is there a grant for giving out some sort of equipment or you know, providing a coupon or something for a discount? >> Yeah, it's so definitely keep our eyes open for for those grant opportunities as always. Um and uh we're looking to partner with some of our local nonprofit organizations. Um we're in the process of making those contacts right now looking for um a partner to provide those coupons or even provide some free helmets for those that um don't have the financial means to buy their own helmets and then you know whether it's ice cream cone coupons or something to reward that positive behavior too. So just like we used to do with bicycle helmets. So that seemed to work well. So we're just going to cut and pace. >> I think the biggest issue obviously is you're talking about the increased speeds. you know, kids are going from riding regular bikes to now using all these motorized things. And I think it just comes down to also how proactive do we want to be in the situation you mentioned earlier. Obviously, what that young individual was doing was extremely unsafe and the risk of of something happening is much higher obviously, right? So, as a community, how much money do we want to spend addressing those issues and being proactive before things do happen because they're far more likely to happen when you've got those speeds. Um, so I think that's kind of a something we really need to ask ourselves like how much res how you know what are resources to invest in addressing it proactively, >> right? Yeah. We're talking about our children's lives. So I think a few hundred a few thousand dollars spent proactively uh just to make sure that they're safe is money well spent. So I think the education piece is is extremely important but at some point there has to be some consequences for poor choices because you know otherwise you don't you don't >> you don't learn >> yeah you don't learn you don't bring about real change >> right yep u I I agree with you wholeheartedly I just think my personal philosophy is that we need to educate before we we enforce um unless it's an agree and and willful violation of the law that is, you know, a common sense violation. >> Um, but I think by and large the public just doesn't know what they don't know yet. And so we'll invest time educating first and >> y >> and then at a certain like you like like you said at a certain point enforcement will probably become a priority for us. >> Yeah. >> Yep. And then understanding the different avenues or venues for communicating that education. You know, maybe that could be partnering with different stores who sell the bikes. I mean, I know there's Eric's bike shop in Woodbury, but other than Walmart and Target, are there any other locations in Cottage Grove that sell ebikes >> or Amazon online? I get it. >> Yeah. >> Um, but also maybe uh partnering with the schools >> that's a great target market. >> Yep. >> They have like a they have a bicycle day or week or something where they all ride bicycles to school. >> I don't know, but I'll look into that September. They do. They absolutely >> kids walk to school and usually about the second I can get you information on it. >> So So on those days um you definitely see an uptick of of all kinds of transportation if you will not just regular traditional bikes but you know your scooters your electric scooters your ebikes. So, for sure, >> not saying that you should leverage the contacts in the Lions Club because I know they're super active in the community and a fantastic example of an organization that would probably take up a cause like this, but they also make it very easy for guys like me to donate, you know, to donate to the cause. So, uh if that happens to be something that you uh put together, >> it's already been done. I yeah, I think there's probably a lot of a lot of people like me that if you make it easy to donate to the cause, it's going to be >> probably pretty easy to gather up quite a bit of money for safety equipment. But yeah, that bicycle that bicycle thing in September is a fantastic way to ideally educate some of the kids on the resources available, the things that they're supposed to do or not do. Maybe send home a flyer to their parents. Whether or not they bring it to their parents is a different story, but um yeah, I think that's >> Yep. We will definitely look into the school angle. >> And one other thing that I just wanted to bring up too for discussion is that our trails are currently posted as a max speed of 15 miles per hour. >> Um and that's I would say more of a recommendation than it is like an enforceable hard and fast speed limit. Um and it's also hard to enforce that because we're not going to be sitting on the trails running radar on on bikes and ebikes, right? that's just not practical. Um, and so that might be something that we want to look at in the future is how do we enforce that? How do we reinforce, you know, those safe riding habits? Do we want to reconsider? Do we need to have a different speed limit or restriction ebikes, things like that? But that's way down the road. We're not at that point yet. So, just something to put in the back of your minds and chew on. So, >> for the complaints, is there anything else um besides like the accidents? Is there other or like those intersections? Is there any other thing that we should be focusing on too or keeping in mind >> at the beginning they said >> complaints? Yeah. >> Um so one thing that I didn't touch on is that um we're seeing an uptick in stolen ebikes, scooters, things like that because that's become more prevalent. It it's just more opportunity for theft. So, um, that be might be another thing we need to do is educate and provide locks and things like that or even a place to lock them up in the parks and commercial districts. Um, and then mostly is the other complaints are just like, hey, this ebike was going too fast on the trail or this mini bike doesn't belong on our trails or parks. Um, a lot of those types of things like some of the p some of the public don't know what is or isn't allowed yet. So, they just assume that this ebike can't be in the park when actuality they can. Um, it's really hard to to differentiate between an ebike versus an electric minibike. >> Even sometimes often times I don't know. I have to I have to go do the research. It's really difficult for officers to figure that out and probably nearly impossible for the public to figure it out if you don't have that law enforcement background or the statute book in front of you. Yeah, you would want to tend to say that if something can go above that 15 miles per hour, then should it even be on a trail that has that parameter? But like you said, it's hard to >> identify, >> you know, and set that boundary because of that. >> Yep. >> So, that's really I appreciate the discussion and the pointers and the tips. Um, I'll take that back and get to work on that stuff. That really accomplishes my goal for coming here tonight and having this discussion. I just wanted to get on your radar. Um, so that's front and center in your mind so you can talk with the public and and bring that back to me anytime. You don't have to wait till the next meeting. You guys got my phone number, my email. Send me your concerns and thoughts and we'll get after it. >> Okay. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> So, pending your questions. That's it. >> Good. >> All right. Thank you. >> Appreciate it. Um, I don't have the agenda in front of me anymore. So, let me see. My iPad just died. So, pause, please. Business items. >> Business items. Is that what we're going to see if I have a paper copy by any chance? Here we go. Thanks. Got it. All right. So, thank you for that presentation. Next up, business items. Any Okay. Uh, commission comments. >> I don't have any. All right. This is one quick >> staff reports and materials. You're taken care of. So, Gary, you up? >> Sure. >> Or do you have more, Brad? >> I could always add more. >> Okay, then please do. Please do. My apologies. >> No problem. Um, so before you you have the quarterly uh police report. Um, so feel free to peruse that and if if you give me just a couple minutes, I wouldn't mind highlighting a couple of of the high points. Um, so reported crime and and overall crime is down compared to uh our comparable communities across the country. So that's a great thing. Uh, our clearance rate is exceeding 80% which is uh an incredible achievement. So what that means is our every crime that's reported to us uh 80% of those crimes is being solved through um prosecution or return of stolen property, things of that nature. So like it's not uncommon to see, you know, communities being down around 30 40%. Um and uh to be at 80% is just a real real achievement. So I'm really proud of that. Um you can see that our patrol division is is doing more calls for service which is to be expected considering our community is growing. Um but despite that um they're doing a ton of proactive checks which is really reflects their commitment to being proactive and deterring crime. Um taking care of our parks and commercial districts, things like that. They're also doing a ton of traffic stops. Uh traffic enforcement has been a huge priority for us in these summer months. And just so despite what you read on some social media pages, um we're out there continuously. Um just in the last week and a half, we logged over over 40 hours of dedicated traffic enforcement in our high priority zones. Um and really that's just identifying our three highest priority areas, our hot zones in town, and our officers are there whenever they can. Um so we're putting in a ton of time and effort into maintaining safe roadways. Um, like I mentioned before we went live tonight, Officer Rinszel has 108 DWIs and he got a hat-tick here recently. So, he's uh exceeded our goals for the entire year. >> One officer got 108 DWIS, >> correct? Yep. >> Wow. >> Yeah. He's our um grant funded DWI officer. So, >> nice. >> Yeah. >> Very nice. Okay. And three in one night. That's awesome. >> Yeah. um our K9 our therapy K9 rigs um had 50 deployments uh in quarter two. So that program just came online and it's proving wildly successful. The community absolutely loves them. Um and it's um been an awesome tool to disarm those potentially volatile uh situations involving, you know, u mental health patients and things of that nature. as soon as Rig shows up, deescalates the situation and uh then it allows us to get them the help that they need and stuff like that. And he's a it's a great community relations tool as well. So, um crime scene team um is up and running now. So, that's starting to get used. There's just a ton of good data in here. I won't go over all of it. I hit some of the high points. Um, one thing that we're also really proud of is some of the results from the PCO uh survey. So, 91% overall satisfaction rating among our our citizens in overall police services. And that also um mirrors what we're seeing on our our own internal polling that we do um here locally. Um we're averaging about a 95% satisfaction rating. So, really proud of that. Another exciting development, uh, we just got awarded a autotheft prevention grant. So that's going to allow us to invest in some technologies to, uh, help, um, deter, detect, and solve any crimes that happen in our community. And then we also just purchased two traffic data collectors, so little black boxes that we can position around town. They're very mobile, easy to move. So when citizens call in about, you know, speeding cars or the amount of traffic on a roadway, things of that nature, these devices will collect that data and it gives us really actionable reports. So it'll literally tell us on this day, at this time, this is when you need to be here to catch the speeders. And so that'll help us do our job a lot more efficiently, uh, and confirm or deny whether we have a problem on our streets that we need to deal with. Um, so there's a lot more good stuff in there. um feel free to read through that and uh reach out to me anytime if you have questions with that. With that, I'll >> I would uh like to draw the commission's attention to the last page >> um to see the employee of the quarter and and I have read through this and congratulations to you. It does not surprise me at all. >> Congratulations, Brad. >> Thank you. >> I tried to uh not let that happen, but Chief overruled me. >> Appreciate your time. >> Try a little harder. Good. Next time. >> Congratulations. >> Was it voted on or did you appoint yourself? >> So, >> there you go. There you go. Next time. >> It's going to be quarter three. >> Right. Right. >> Thank you so much. >> Welcome. >> Gary. >> All right. So, for public works, uh the high zone raw water man, the contractors plan on closing 70th Street at Ison. So starting July 28th through August 8th to install the water man and casing pipe across the road. >> The detour will be Hinton 65th to Inwood. And if people the park will still be open, so you'll be able to go through it and from the north to the south. Uh pavement management's been going pretty good. Uh they started phase three curb removal. Uh 75% of the iron has been lowered. Uh phase one and two top soil has been placed and the base course has been down. They should be spraying sometime this week. The seed. The park is just getting a temporary blanket over the dirt because of the heat and the drought. They want to make sure it's later in the fall so the seed will have a good chance of growing. Uh the milling overlay, the concrete work is completed. So, all the curb, pedestrian ramps, top soil placed, uh they're going to start milling that at the end of this month. And then we did almost complete, we were trying to get it done today, the Granada Park bumpout that you guys are part of. So, it is open. Um we're just waiting to stripe it, but the rain kind of held us off. But tomorrow, it should be all stripe, but it is open for parking and should relieve some of that congestion over in that neighborhood. And then in house two, 95th Street Trail Connection. There was a little part left on the south side um between Hadley and Jamaica down towards that. That is completely open. And then this this week we're going to start doing our in-house thin overlay and that will be on Lehi between 100 street and 95th Street. Any questions on any of them? >> Never until moment. Can I ask what the timing is of the stoplight by Goodwill and Kohl's? >> Looks like it's closed, but >> yeah, I I can get back to you on that information. >> That's okay. I was just curious. Okay. >> Yeah. I don't I don't know the answer, but I will find out for you. >> All right. >> The road looks nice, but nice and smooth. >> Thank you. >> All right, Mr. Class, you're up. >> Good evening. If we haven't met, uh my name is David Clawson. I'm one of the uh new council members. Dave Theiti is usually here tonight, but he couldn't make it. Um, so part of my update, I will not talk about Strawberry Fest. I'll leave that to him. You don't don't ever touch that, do um Gary talked about the water man on 70th Street. That water man running north south now is going to meet up with a brand new water treatment plant. It'll be the second one in the city. Um, and they just started. It'll be located behind the fire department, central fire station. There's a large land area back there which is just being cleared this week. So they've already started on that. Uh it's going to be a several year project. Um be operational sometime mid 2028. So there's a lot of work to do. >> Um it's going to be I I'm told that's our with the water man and that treatment plant. It's the city's largest largest public works project ever. So, it's going to be several year project and but we're also going to have the cleanest water. So, >> we're um uh one of my notes was to talk about the traffic signal on East Point Douglas on the Cole's curve I call it. And my what I was going to say is we don't know. >> Okay, >> that's the last thing that's needed. Um public works open house. Um my uh third favorite open house to attend, of course, the police is first. I work there. then fire and then public works of course. >> Uh best food ever though. So public works open house September 25th >> 4 to 7. >> Do you have any that's all I have any questions for the council or any comments concerns complaints? >> Gary, do you know if uh so 70th is obviously got to be shut down. Is there any other major roads in the city that need to be shut down for that water man? I know that uh he discussed they're going to be able to do uh boring underneath the road at one junction, but I wasn't sure if there's going to be more. Yep. So, the 80th Street one is where they're doing the boring. So, there'll be a pit on either side of that. That's supposed to start sometime this week. Uh 70th because of the rock underneath, they have to do an open cut. So, that's the reason it's going to be shut down for two weeks. >> Mhm. >> Okay, cool. Yeah, that's that's what I remembered as well is it was just going to be 70th that we had to shut down. Okay. Yep. Awesome. Yep. Thank you. >> I will just say on our website there is a construction website >> that you can follow and it will give you weekby- week updates and what's going on or you can email and get an email with weekly updates. So if you're interested in a specific project, you can >> Is that Are you sharing that on social every now and then? >> I would think so. >> Okay. >> Yep. Okay. >> Yeah. those maps that you guys are putting on I think Facebook and stuff are super helpful >> and the heads up like uh you know two weeks two weeks out from closing 70th on on the socials >> again super helpful nice map it's easy to understand it was easy to I you know I'm not super familiar with the area necessarily but it was easy to understand like the drive the the detour so yeah nice work on that >> any other comments questions Holy milanta. Okay. Well, with that, I will ask for a motion to adjurnn. >> I'll make a motion. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Unanimous. We will adjourn. >> Thank you. >> I think