e e e e e did you know of yes trip M oh look at that nice photo I'm so sorry no counc I really did I know that was out there I'm so sorry isn't that lovely yeah did you take that I'm assuming or yeah yeah they leave me it's totally fine I was up there on that pork having a glass of wine way that zoom in please the cat hey sry that's okay sa me how are you all right um Mr aens would you mind leading Us in invitation we'll remain standing for the Pledge of Allegiance can we pray Heavenly Father we thank you for this day we thank you for being so nice and good to us we thank you for everything that you do for us we ask you tonight to be with us as we come here to contr to do the business of the City of Greenwood we ask you to be with us be with each person here tonight we ask it in Jesus name amen amen pledge Al to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and justice for all all right confirm we got everybody here all right accordance with the Freedom of Information Act chapter 4 title 30 Cod to laws of sou Carolina 1976 an agenda has been posted on the front door of City Hall and notification of this meeting has been given to the news media um thank you all right first up we have approval of the consent agenda if anybody has reviewed those we'll entertain a motion motion to approve the consent agenda second a motion by Miss BS second by Mr Miller any further discussion about approval of the consent agenda all in favor of approval of the consent agenda that motion carries unly seven votes all right we've got a couple public hearings hearing number yes you okay we'll try that again uh public hearing number one is to consider ordinance number 25-15 amending section 10.3 figure 10.10 figure 10-12 of the Landy element of the Greenwood City County comprehensive plan um we discussed this several times um what this ordinance accomplishes is it adopts a new future land use map it adopts a new uh land use table that goes with the map and then it adopts new definitions um for low medium and high Den City Residential uh which just aligns with uh our zoning ordinance also approval of this ordinance tonight will lift the moratorium um if you recall it was originally supposed to be lifted by September the 3rd so this does lifted about 3 weeks earlier um these this is the uh current future land use map this is the proposed future land use map this um map only addresses residential areas so anywhere that looks blank to you is a commercial use or uh some other type of non-residential use um this is the one of the corresponding table uh that shows um future land use by type and you'll see that the two major changes um is the amount of medium density residential by acreage and the amount of high density residential um we've discussed this at length that our feature Landry s was very heavy in high density residentials so there was almost like a swap of high density for medium density res iial um still allowing opportunity for high density residential within the city limits the three uh definitions here are the ones that changed uh the language in red is new the striketh through obviously is being removed and again this doesn't change anything with our zoning it just makes the definitions in the future land use map the the way that uh match the way that we um are actually doing zoning in practice and because the city and the county have a joint um fut uh comprehensive plan uh this just cleans up some language that differentiates the city and the county thank you I know Trip's on the phone um it may maybe maybe now and after if and when a motion is made it's appropriate to to get him to chime in with anything he wants to add or any questions that anybody has trippet we've uh this is our public hearing I don't think you were on the phone with us last meeting um but we've certainly been brought up to speed on all the the work that you that you and B have done and appreciated any anything you wanted to add just off the off top here can you hear me okay yes sir okay great good evening everybody um there's something I need to add I think right off the top is pretty straightforward as far as um it's a for lack of a better term it's a pretty simple swap um between the percentage of the high density residential and the medium density residential that was kind of a major change there a couple [Applause] other addressed there a little bit confusion and well what we wanted to do is prevent Confusion by applicants in language that was in the land use element that um kind of crossed over and talked about the county of the city almost in the same par or the same paragraph and it just didn't make sense to have it together when and the policies are different depending on whether you're in the city in the county so that's what that red line version is front thank you well trip hold on just a minute um since this is a public hearing is there anyone that wishes to speak in favor of proposed ordinance number 24-15 let the record reflect there are none is there anyone that wishes to speak in opposite position to proposed ordinance number 24-15 let the record reflect there are none um all right we hear a motion motion to approve ordinance number 24-15 second a motion by Mr B second by Miss huto um now that trip is uh kind of explained where they came from is there any anybody that has any questions or discussion for for trip trip I know what what resulted was essentially a flip in in as you you as you outlined in the percentage of those uses but I but I know there's a method to that Madness it's not just about reaching those numbers there's there's a way in which y'all went about that am I right absolutely there was a way and I chuckled because um it was a combination of uh us I mean literally coming through neighborhood by neighborhood um at what the existing conditions were uh Visa what the future land use map uh showed Visa Fe those Z that was in the neighborhood and so some than others some took a little more fine tuning and then as you all may know Bob and I were on the ground for two days there in Greenwood there was a point where we kind of exhausted our uh our ability to look at those without just getting out and we knew that in advance we knew we would have to do it get out in the car and drive and just verify what we were thinking um and that was very helpful for us just to be able to say okay let's drive out here let's take a look at the neighborhood and see if what we think is happening is what's happening on the ground and by large that was the case h every um and so there are a couple of areas that we um would suggest you are looking at rezoning later on or at some point in the future um but for now that was kind of the method to our approach and I'll defer to Bob if he wants to add anything I'm missing something here um Bob you may want to comment just we were very privileged to have metri come in and help us as well which gave us some additional Insight we did we had a great conversation uh with them trying to understand the various service areas and build out capacities and what's uh what's the likely build out scenario going forward in this future I really don't have anything to add covered it well just be repeating what you said so all good thank y'all any other questions for them y'all we we certainly appreciate the help any further discussion amongst Council all right all in favor of ordinance number 24- z00 well hold on let me make sure I'm looking way all in just say sorry motion right all in favor of ordinance number 24-15 all right that motion carries unanimously seven votes all right what do we I just wanted know did you want to let them know they can disconnect oh yeah well um I guess that's all we we we can cut you loose or y'all are welcome to hang on and listen to the rest of what's going on trip Bob well we just want to thank youall for the opportunity to work with you we're glad you're were able to lift the uh the um moratorium we know some of you were skeptical and we certainly appreciate that we appreciate the opportunity and sub drill that we were able to get it done and yall are able to lift that moratorium early um and uh wish you best and and know we'll hopefully see yall in the future well we appreciate all y'all's hard work and um enjoyed having y'all here and something tells me we'll be we'll be working together before we know it again soon to see you soon have a great evening thank you take everybody thank you all right under public hearing item number two is consider ordinance of 24-4 amending the zoning map by resoning approximately 8.49 acres of land at 212 curtesy Drive East from R2 um and GC to R7 um this item originally went before Planning Commission for help hearing on February the 27th um I believe their vote to approve was 10 to1 um then it came before city council uh for first reading in March second reading April the 15th and city council uh tabled it in lie of the moratorium and more information forthcoming from the Consultants so now that the moratorium has been lifted uh we have placed this back on the agenda at council's request for another public hearing I'll scroll through a couple slides um and then if y'all have any questions staff can answer those um oh I've got to I got to recuse myself I wasn't even paying attention which what it was is yeah M balls will let you this item for us um continue sure um as I mentioned this is a portion of a parcel 8.49 Acres um they're requesting to reson it from R2 and GC to R seven um you can see how it's uh the split zoning there you have General commercial in the front in the green and then the back portion in yellow is R2 here's some photos of some surrounding land uses I think everybody's relatively familiar with this site um this is the previous future land use map which um does show it as high density residential um the new map shows it as medium density residential um the they've proposed two uh potential plans one being um 31 single family dwelling units and the other being 53 um town home style developments I don't know if anything has changed I know the is someone here representing the developer tonight oh there you are I never know um so Mr Harrison is here he can answer any questions uh that you have about this site um you know you have the density here as proposed um with the 31 single family dwelling units it's it would be 3.65 uh dwelling units per acre with the town homes it would be 6.24 dwelling units per acre um again staff recommended approval and Planning Commission recommended approval 10 to one but that was prior to the change in the future land use math that is correct that was a good question propos are there any changes Mr Harris no ma'am one sure come on thank you Carol Coleman planning director um and I would ask Mr Harrison maybe he could respond to this I'm looking at the plan that they gave us and I did calculate out the the other one I calculated out the gross densities but that's taking out that's that's basically taking all the property and dividing it out for the number of units um if it were to go to r s they could have 6,000 foot Lots but if it's um not if it doesn't go that far then some of these Lots in fact some of these Lots may be too small anyway for 6,000 foot Lots unless you're proposing a cluster type development so I just wanted to make clarify that so we're not surprised if if it does get approved as it's proposed and something a little bit different comes into being want to make sure that they were aware of it as well as you so that being the case um how does how does that would carriages proposed affect the change there would still be no changes um if we Paul Harrison of Blue Water civil design thank you um if if it we would most likely cluster it if it were a detached product so we would most likely cluster the development so it would probably look a little different than what you're seeing on the screen um just because I think we're we we we're got to be held to some other requirements uh if we do cluster the development so Ian they do have room for that I mean they have they have agage and the ability to do that I just want to make sure that we were clarifying that that would be the tool that would be used okay all right and it is currently medium density residential which 3.65 falls into so under its present plan it is still it is considered medium density yes the det the detach the detach just meity with the clar with the clarifications changes youed of cluster of not cluster the future last future l m okay the new proposal all right any more questions for Mr Harrison thank you thank you okay this is a public hearing any more information Julie no I would like to point out we did have a public hearing already here at the council level in April but then after we opened and closed it the motion was made to table and city council wanted another public hearing so I just want to make sure yall were that was clear okay take a motion any more uh questions from councel the public hearings still yeah all right anyone uh here to speak in favor uh ordinance number 24-4 okay anyone opposing the approval of 24004 please come to the podium hearing none if there's no more questions from councel I would like entertain a motion for approval um the only other thing I I did want to make mention of I missed my note here is that um I didn't point this out but in this particular area of town which I know yall know where this is but you do have a lot of burying usage land usage said you have this PDD up here which is Kirk C Forest which functions like a R4 um you have this R2 here you have all of this which is Zone General commercial um you have I believe this is R4 down here um and then a little further down this way you do have an r10 uh which is uh Phoenix police Apartments so there are some varying zoning uses in this area well I would recommend it be zoned to our 4 not R seven because R4 is medium density and R seven is still considered high density is that not correct it it is but what I was basing my statement on was the actual density that we calculated based on the plan but that's one thing you do look at I think that um you know I've I've worked here long enough that I've watched Z zoning requests come in over the years we used to get zoning requests with no recommendation for what they might what the use may be and so I I like to just remind everybody occasionally that you know when you when you approve a zoning anything in that zoning can go there so if you approve a GC anything that's allow GC can go there if you approve an r s um they don't have to build that plan I mean they I'm not saying they won't I'm just saying they don't have to um they could sell the property somebody else could develop it um you do have the option if you want to remand back to Planning Commission and let them look at it again with the new future land use map there's all the options available to you um yeah and I would point out that the only reason I think they the r s I can't speak for them but they gave us two different plans so they gave us a single family plan that was could possibly be achieved under R4 but the town home plan which is considered single family attached by definition is also considered multif family under zoning so the town home plan could not work outside of R7 that's the that's the minimum they would have to have in terms of zoning districts to be able to do that so after thinking about this a little bit since there's not a motion yet I I had originally thought that it would be best to send it back to Planning Commission but now that I've thought about it a little more I don't think that that's fair in a way because you've got a developer that came in thinking that this was I mean we we just changed it out from under them basically and this isn't that's not the case I don't think with any of the other proposals out there right now you know so we've got the Four Corners which is um mixed use and we changed our map to mixed use but in this case we changed it from high to low density I mean High to medium density without out thinking about what was proposed there and I know I've mentioned this before but you know a third of the property is already General commercial so I just I don't know if it would make any sense to send it back to Planning Commission knowing that now I would assume they would deny it they would recommend denial because it's doesn't fit the land use map but it would fit the L use map at R4 but that's not what they requested me they adop I wish this request I think that I I think I'm thinking the same way that you are I wish this request I wish this was an r four request so it lines up with everything still meets the other plan the single uh dwelling plan um but um and just for clarification with the R4 um if they're able to Cluster in the R4 if they have enough room to make that work could get it down to or get it to almost an r s but not all the way there you're also in the new in the proposed map and this thing is never going to be like ideal right there's always going to be variations you do have a long all this in pink is is commercial in the future so everything around that's commercial yeah U so you know this is coming down along um 34 34 and then this is where it merges into Main Street here so this is Kirky drive right here and then this is um kiry Forest back here just giving you some I mean there is no active commercial right here but it could easily be developed that way in the future when does this die for lack a motion since we unless we send it back to planning I'll make a motion I'll make a motion that we approve ordinates number 24-4 second second second all in favor anyone opposing 3 TD so you may want to make another motion because the tie is a failed vot I'll make I'll make another motion to send this back to Planning Commission second all in favor send it back to Planning Commission unanimous okay we return it back to planning Carol what's the next Planning Commission date um September is the next one they can go to we didn't advertise for August we didn't have anything come in so he going to be September all right Mr Harrison go back to planning so Carol you'll be in touch with yes pa okay okay get oh yeah okay all right under unfinished business is to consider ordinance number 24-5 amending the zoning map by resoning approximately 1 146.640 bypass 25 Southeast in 720 Marshall Road from um LW R2 and R3 to PDD plan development District this is another uh item that was tabled at your April 15th meeting prior to First reading so this will be the first uh reading of this item uh that re received a vote from Council so um you want to Carol is ready to tell us what we need to know well first off I want to commend the developers of of this one with the application that they brought forward they initially came in with two separate applications they had the law portion as one application and then what we refer to as the four corners on a second application I asked them to come in together and make it a PDD so we could have a master plan I felt like with it being separated by Marshall Road as well as the bypass that what would tie it together was a unified plan or something that would make sense if you looked at it otherwise you've got four separate developments that are out there and happen to be across from each other so they they did exactly what we asked them to do they came back um a month later and they brought us a plan that if you want to go to the plan for it yeah and you can see the that one actually is that stayed the same so they had medium density residential they had a little bit of high density down closer into the city but then the entire Corridor was commercial um the resulting change is that we ended up with mixed use so the whole thing showed showed up for mixed use for that what's left out is not part of this plan that because that partial line goes out further so um but we got uh three different types of residential development and really two different types we have one with sound homes car let me make sure I understood you said what's left out can you go back to that last slide SL what what what do you mean by what's left out well I think I've show I thought I thought mine showed that it went all the way up there yeah some of the pro the property line the rezoning line is is highlighted on here there's additional property above that line but it was left out of the whole thing because there's already um solar farm up there and some other things but this whole area here is included was included so you have some mixed use and you have the pink is commercial and then you do have a little bit of medium density residential and then the the bottom white is commercial this is the mixed use okay the white is mixed use the pink is commercial the Orange is medium density residential but the new map actually shows it all the way yeah I pulled this off the new map really cuz it looks like it is on here I got it goes up to the top right yeah I don't know he sent me a different amount today okay we've got another map floting around so well I want to make sure we resolve that before we take any vote on it just which map is well new future land use map is applicable there is no proposed commercial up at the top it's all residential that's what that's why I want to clarify it um maybe that is so I think and the developer can probably um give you some more information on it like I said the one the one that I had that I got initially when we when I put this together does show it going all the way up you know what I think Carol is correct that it cuts off here at the white right I see what you're saying yeah I think it's all white and and I was in the room we talk the problem is that just In fairness to the dash line I put that in today because we don't the the future land use M that we have right now is just in PDF form we can't go online and we don't have the software on our computers to look at it and so until you all approve the map they they're not going to load up the new layer file so we you're just kind of eyeballing it based on where the roads are and because this parcel split this is just an error on my part so Carol's correct and that is just the white okay sorry about that I see what you're saying yeah I just want to make sure that yep it looks like some of it's out but it's it's a Julie mistake it's not those a rare and most of that up there is is green open space but there's you know when you get up above the house as you can see um so what they so what they brought us was a mix of residential uses um they got single family on the right side in front of you and then down on the lower left side and then of course over closer to the school they're showing town homes which is still a single family product it's just attached single family um the Four Corners themselves would be commercial and there's a mix of commercial possibilities there that they put we put into your packet um but they also have an abundance of open space and types of open space and buffers and um this table we put together to show you what they initially submitted and then what they revised it to so that the numbers went down in some areas and went up a little bit in others but they were trying to make it more cohesive in terms of what was being proposed but again and what we ended up with as opposed to what would have come in the door with the two separate resoning I think this is much better conceived and the potential that's there for a much better product overall and this is the type of the type of project where people can live go to school in the same area some people can work you can have um amenities there you can also have uh conveniences like shopping within close close proximity so this this is exactly what pdds were intended to be which is mixed use you can see at the top they have a bunch of sample amenity areas um again a lot of Green Space yes there are a lot of homes there but they offset it with some usable Green Space and not just where they could get it they actually picked out areas where it could be us usable and buffers we ask for buffers along the main roads what's the width of those bu car I think it's on the main road I think the smallest one we had was about 25 ft but for the most part um 50 ft along the corridor that's natural buffer and fencing or well I mean I don't know how a natural buffer there really is on some of that so some of it have to be planted but the but the space is there for it to grow up and give people a good break so but along I guess along the the main road it's proposed to have fencing or am I I believe there going to be fences on the back side of the of the residences I don't know there's going to be fencing all the way that most of that is planet times that are 10 years old so the idea would be to create Burns along the bypass and plant do planings along the BMS to give you a nice established buffer between the byass the community I think Paul starting to learn our language a little can you read what this so this is from their narrative it says a 30 foot roadside Landscaping buff will be provided along bypass 25 Southeast Marshall Road and wood Field Street where residential lots back up to these roads the buffer will be increased to 50 ft and then it goes on to describe the vegetation that will be included in the buff areas all right anything else you want to tell us Carol um no like I said I just really appreciate that they went to work on this and did a good job bringing it back to us with with something that I think was a good product yeah well uh any questions for Carol there will be a traffic study um required based on the numbers and one of the things that we had hoped to see was improvements on a Crossing there so that students from one side of the highway could get close to get to the school and vice versa a safe Crossing yeah and and remind me I'mma one point they said I think I heard that some of this is zoned for woodfields but it's right across from Matthews is it is it was that right or is it is it all zone for Matthews I think it splits I think I know it splits East and West for some districts and north and south for for like for City Wards is east and west is it not or is it North and South I think it's East and westest east and west and I think it's north and south for County council districts um the school district I remember pulling that up so I think it does split for some of it yes it shows all of this for for Woodfield all for woodi the the documents say woodfields and Maze maze maze we don't see he's clicking on each parcel y there is walking yeah walking below Marshall is Maze and above Marshall going towards the bypass is woodfields and that's what I was saying I think it was a north south split this this body doesn't have any control over School zoning but I think it would make sense for it to be Matthews but that's a whole I don't we don't we don't have all the information to so again what what was this who goes to what school on what side of the the cut so ma the South I think it says these two are maze this is woodfields this is woodfields here this is maze these two are woodfields so three corners are woodfields in the and that's literally Matthews right next to it that's Matthews right there I'm sure they'll review it I'm sure they'll we can make some calls made it right they'll figure it out that's that's a that's a any other questions for Carol it does amount of kids do we hear a motion with regard to ordinance number 24- 005 motion to approve ordinance number 24-5 second a motion by Mr Bas second by Mr Dean um any further discussion I know we we've got a representative from the developer here anybody wish to add anything that Miss Miss what M Coleman said yall good y'all got any questions we'll be glad time anybody have any specific questions the only concern that was raised um by fellows is the fact they didn't want to see a zillion color different fences they wanted a a really pretty burn that didn't see a bunch of different color fencing in people's backyards from the road so and from what you're telling me the burn would block that view of those backyards pretty much um restrictive covenants as well that'll probably control that Paul would there be um is this one neighborhood with one HOA it is okay and how many phases do you anticipate this being built in I want to say we broke it up into three phases with a potential build out of uh I I apologize I need to find that in the statement of intent Draper do you remember okay so phasing and density we talked about uh potentially five phases and a five to sevene buildout well and that includes residential and Commercial that that correct that's correct what's the what's the the anticipated schedule for residential as soon as possible I mean five or seven years the mix use I think in the first two years would be strictly residential to get interest in the commercial out Parcels right makes sense and will you start more with the single family or more with the the more M I think we would start you want to speak to that Darren web with Mark I properties um developer uh we would probably start the north east and north west side um first and start that and then start the phase and then start the phase on the South Side commercial but still Market the commercial when you know retailers kind of see the development the expansion that's going on that can attract that sure Paul Harrison and Darren they have any questions for Paul or Darren thank you thank you thank You' all I know it's it's U we continue to bust and appreciate y'all bringing the the product to I have a question the amenities of they going to be in which part are they going to be phased in as well yeah can you go to that slide Julie that you had where it shed the that's the uh the bottom amenity area is shown in the northeastern quadrant almost right in the middle of the almost right in the middle of the development where you see that large triangle large triang y that's where the that's where the amenity the like a pool Cabana okay pickle ball stuff like that and I can't I once again I apologize I can't read that but I we put placeholders in those areas in the town home portion you see the uh the large area highlighted there for the amenities for the attached product and then on the uh South I guess the southwestern quadrant the other amenity area we had some areas designated in in that quadrant as well for amenities now can all are all the amenities be able to be shared by all the community in tandem I mean so if you can go can can not yeah can the pool be used by the tow houses and can or is it going to be like neighborhoods like developments within a development type thing that's a very good question and once we turn everything over to the HOAs it's kind of up to them if they want to like key code you know if there's a pool or pickle ball cords that are in a key code if they want to keep it to the Northeast amenity and the town homes can only have access to that um we kind of leave it up to them okay soate that yeah so speaking of HOA when when would um I know after you get the 51% that's when you'll turn over your DEC rights but but when will the HOA be established for these developments by phases HOA I think and don't quote me is established like day one and Mark 3 is still uh as part of the declarant um but we can't fully turn it over without taking our names off I think until everything is final platted mhm um we require that we require the language before final plat is approved okay okay so we're still part of the clearent and responsible for it until it's final I would think if there's just one HOA everybody would have access to everything but but I but a town town houses are different than than a single family with a townhouse they probably if they're they're going to have to have a monthly fee um um instead of in an annual HOA they're going to have to have a monthly fee and that monthly fee is going to going to be part of cutting the grass and doing the stuff around the common area because they won't own they might they just own the little postage stamp lot their fee simple tow houses they just only going to own that postage stamp un underneath the townhouse so you know that's why I asked about the amenity sharing if you know are the amenities going to be shared if they aren't going to be shared because they're they're different I mean some are going to have monthly dues and some are going to have um annual dues and Miss huy probably made a very good point that answered my question they will probably be separated because HOA dues with those town homes are going to be confined to that um to their annual maintenance in that amenity and then separate from the North and they'll have different cnrs too because they have to address how a new roof is going to be put on a quadrant or you know what they can paint and what they can do so the only neighborhood I've seen in Green in Greenwood where well there's that's not true there's two neighborhoods in Greenwood that have mixed use like this Gatewood and um Stony Point where they do allow cross usage of all the amenities with under their umbrella and so even though their townhouse is in patio homes that to me and I know you don't have a say on this because that's the Builder that eventually has the say that set he's cover but it would behoove to me to make the community on the south end and the North End equal in desirability that those amenities be shared and that that's just my opinion I'm just stating that because I don't want one side to have all the all the goody and the other side not to right I tend to I tend to agree with you we we kind of like like I would think and I don't have an exact answer here today but I would think that the pool itself would be something that everyone in the entire community could share in if there's a fire pit in the town homes I'm not sure it would be beneficial for stuff like that to just to just be but I do think I do agree that the pool itself the the way it you know the pool the pickle ball courts the playground that kind of thing a fire pit which is smaller I mean the single family homes can have their own fire pit that's right the tow houses they're not going to let them have a fire pit they're not even going to let them Barbecue on this Barbecue on the second floor or barbecue real close I'll probably even not want that because of the fire hazard of something like that so I get it is we move if this moves forward right I I do think that's something that we probably need to get a little more detailed I think so because again I don't want half of the neighborhood to have you know have all the amenities and the other half have nothing I mean so especially if you're you're you're doing it you know in phases part of the part of the sale of this is the fact that it's its own almost like its own Community it's the first in the city limits that gives that um almost slightly Country Club feel to a neighbor to a neighborhood agree all right thank you all thank you all right any further discussion about ordinance number 24-5 all right all in favor of ordinance number 24- 005 that motion carries unanimously with seven votes forward to the public hearing on that right under new business item number one is to consider reappointing uh Miss Caroline N na Brooks to the Housing Authority Board of Commissioners she's not here this evening but Patrick Prince has indicated that the board would like for her to continue serving and she um is willing to do so these are fiveyear terms so you'd be appointing her to another five-year term and she's served all five years already uh you know I don't remember exactly when she was reappoint appointed the first time so I don't know if she filled a a seat that had been vacated or if she or if she served all five years that's a good question uh but she served the ones we asked her to serve corre motion to reappoint Caroline na Brooks to the Housing Authority Board of Commissioners second a motion by Mr Miller second by miss huto any further discussion all in favor of reappointing Caroline Nave Brooks to the Housing Authority Board of Commissioners that motion carries unanimously with seven votes your new business item number two is authorize the city manager to execute an agreement with AOS specialty contractors for the construction of the Waller Avenue streetcape um this is a just quick rendering uh it's black and white of what the streetcape is planned to look like um this street is is a little different from other Street skapes we've done because this um p a portion of this road in this area here has original pavers I say original I don't know how original they are but they're very worn and you can tell that they're they've been there a while um So the plan would be to uh preserve these um and then we would add pavers here that would be new but they would you know match in the best way that we could there's a little Granite header row right here that separates the new from the old um so it's pretty unique streetcape um we we would also um there's a very mature really pretty healthy crepe myrtles on this road all of them would remain except for one here has to come out just because of construction um there are areas of this road in this area here that are flush Street we wanted to do this entire Street as a flush Street which is a a pretty um popular thing that a lot of cities are doing now um but based on the elevation of this of some of the buildings of the storefronts on this road we can not get the whole Street flush so the area you see here in white will be concrete and that will denote um flush and then there will be a step up here and you'll have more concrete uh here these are some paper circles that are just decorative um we will have um what I like to call Big power at the end of the street here so that we can have bands and really utilize the street um it's a really cute it's a yeah it's really pretty yeah I think it's a hidden a hidden gy it really is and there also this this is not part of the grant but um there are there's a ghost mural here on this wall this is that alley where all the seniors take their prom pictures um there's a ghost mural here and then there's another one here that after the streetcape is done we would like to get restored um they're really this is a really unique area of our city so um this is just a a rendering from our master plan of how this road um will probably look um so we are just the the contract right now is uh being reviewed by the Department of Commerce because you'll recall we got a grant from them to do this work um but the Cog does not uh anticipate any challenges so they ask that we go ahead and get council's approval to sign this contract once it's approved and the next and then the next item is the budget amendment yes I'll be happy I I can click ahead if you guys want to know how much the contract is before you approve it why we do that yeah that would be a good idea okay yeah it a little difficult how we had to do this okay so we got two bids keep in mind this is we're not voting on this one we'll come back to it but we got two bids uh one from AOS which we have has done Street Scapes for us in the past the other from sasman which who has also done Street Scapes for us in the past um the low bidder on the base bid was AOS and then these are in red are the bid additives that we elected uh some of them we were required to elect due to the way the grant was written so the brick papers um the two um circles the concrete circles that you saw there um this one is an arbor that denotes um that change in elevation which is just a really unique um decorative um element to the streetscape and this one is um to do irrigation along the street uh just to keep the any plant material that we have there so this is all the landscaping and the irrigation um so when you get right down to it the total project budget and this slide is confusing I'm just going to be totally honest with you but I put it up here anyway because I thought somebody might ask the total project budget is $4,560 Grant from cdbg right off the top 50,000 of that goes to the Cog to do administration of the grant we also have to pay them another 10 that comes from our match funding so we previously back in August committed to a that match number there in Black 482 368 um even though uh the bids came in what I would say a little lower than anticipated uh the Department of Commerce still requires us to commit to our match now at the end of the project if it does come in under budget we can request that they reduce our match and typically they do but we can't do that until the end of the grant so what makes up our match is the engineering for Davis and Floyd which is this amount which is already in the budget for 2024 um we had some non-eligible Grant items that we have to pay for out of our match money uh the 10,000 additional for the Cog admin and this 174 255 cash match totals this amount right here and that's the um amount we need Council to designate as a budget amendment so that we can get construction started on this project from the hospital F yes ma'am and I can't you know look I know y'all a lot of y'all on this Council have been through a lot of Street Skates um and so it's it's highly possible that you know we're going to have a change order and we might have to ask for more money but this is what I I know that we need right now and hopefully there are no change orders and hopefully when we get to the end of the project the Cog will reduce our uh the Commerce will reduce our match what um that 10,000 extra to the Cog is that standard is that fee is $60,000 to do all the administration of the Grant and I guess the grant only pays for 50 and we have to put in the other the rest but the tot of project is 904 yes but we're not paying 904 the math is not getting math up there I'm just telling you it's math not going to math not going to math I cannot tell y'all the number of times I went through these numbers and so what I really want you to focus on is what's highlighted in yellow and that's what makes up the budget amendment that we're asking for um and then like I said hopefully when we get to the end of the project um we'll be able to reduce that to a degree but there's no guarantee that we will so now I'm going to go back to this one thank you any other questions for Julie before we entertain a motion what's the what's that bit the additive that we didn't do um it was concrete pavers in that area where I showed you guys that it would be concrete and it's the bid is to have like scored Concrete where you I guess you I'm not a concrete you take like a saw and you cut a design in it like big diamonds and um it just didn't seem like a I mean it just seemed like the price tag was just $50,000 when you could just cut the design in there I mean we just as a staff we just felt like that one just wasn't one that we had to have the circular papers are we going to be removing existing papers to put those in there yeah so on the circular here this is well all these papers are coming out this is not papers now this is stamped is stamped so all this is coming out and so new papers will go in here and then these will be concrete papers okay of a different color right like white or off white but the light gray is papers this area here or this of the street of the street that's the this is original Pap that are still that are this is the original papers that will stay and then there's a little Granite header row if you walk out there you'll see it immediately and then everything beyond that is stamped as I mean when we're doing this are we I mean like you said we don't know how old those papers are but this is a historic area I mean a 100 years ago the first Ford dealership or in South Carolina was there I mean are we going to learn if there's any base below that I don't know I'm just C kind of curious if those are the original We rip up the asphalt you mean I can tell you that on a lot of streets in the downtown when we've done streetcap so you pull the um Uptown you pull the asphalt off so like you you Mill it to get ready to um pour new asphalt and we found a lot of brick papers underneath that have been paved over this road though has been uh maintained these papers have been maintained so so at some point I have to believe that all the roads up town were brick paper roads and I hate that they're not all still like that well it's a lot of I'm sure it's a lot of Maintenance but it is pretty oh yeah and that other bit out of Mr was a a gate at the down where the bank is and we're not even sure we own that so we just mix that you mean where that the alleyway is when you get to the end of Waller and go to the bank parking lot pretty sure that fence doesn't belong to us and so we you have to stay on your own property when you do these grants so okay that's the reason we didn't address the ghost murals either we're just going to wait until it's complete cuz if you start getting them private property is real sticky yeah all right well thank you so that's this is the item all right so we've got two that kind of go together here we have a we hear a motion motion to authorize the city manager to execute an agreement with AOS specialty contractors second all right we've got a motion by Miss H second by Mr Miller further discussion all right all in favor of authorizing the city manager to execute an agreement with AOS special Contractors Inc construction to Waller Avenue streetcap a motion carries unanimously on this so you know I'm for this name be I just think back about all the street did and Charlie would have to come back and ask for more money in Miss BS and say Charlie Charlie no so I'll do everything I can to keep it at that number or lower so now new business item number three which I've already covered pretty well is to consider ordinance number 24-16 uh which amends um our budget ordinance 23- 017 to amend the hospitality budget for 2024 we are requesting that you authorized 261,000 to cover this item you saying that's part of the same ordinance it's another ordinance IR requir it's related to what we just voted on so it's 24 16 which what number is this one this is 2416 the last the last one didn't have a last one wasn't an ordinance motion to approve ordinance 24-16 amending ordinance 23- 018 second a motion by Mr Miller second by miss hudo any further discussion all in favor of ordinance number 24-16 that motion carries un name number s votes new business item number four to consider ordinance number 24-17 which amends the city's zoning map by rezoning uh approximately 21 13 extra land at 9700 kitson Street in 510 Maxwell Avenue from LW to PDD this is first reading and this one is similar in the number four and number five kind of go together also right yes we'll be educated on both of those all right Carol real smile Carol we should have taken you up to Fountain in in Simpsonville on our field trip up there I'll go there anyway and I was going to say I never worked here when Charlie berno was here but I worked for the Cog in George out of Georgetown when he was traveling around with the Cog and one time he looked at me in Surfside Beach which has a reputation he looked at me he goes you're from Greenwood aren't you yeah but now he he worked with me on a a number of projects down the year so um I have to contain myself on this because I think this is an incredible opportunity I think you guys have been working towards this for a long long long time and I'm that excited about it I mean I really I really can't hold back so um I have talked with the developers representative today they do have a few things that they've tweaked since um we came to in front of you to present it the first time to discuss it um that are just from the process of working on the development plan they found out some things are changing a little bit here and there but nothing substant and I will let them explain it to you if you need to hear it but um this is a mix of residential uses mainly well mainly apartments and town homes so they're going to be all owned by the same management company so you don't have to worry about property owners associations per se um there's a lot of open space uh there's a lot of commercial space and there's a lot of opportunity for Activation of this site um for exciting events and it is contiguous to the Uptown area so the Uptown overlay just kind of seamlessly will meld into this and we'll have people able to walk back and forth ride their bikes in different directions and just enjoy living in uptown green um I guess I'd really like to turn it over to you guys if you want to talk about it or if you have specific questions for me I'll be glad to address them but again this came in as a PDD also um you understand this is a mixed use so they've got two different types of residential in here and then they have a mix of commercial uses that are um available the best thing for me too is that I a strong proponent just like with Waller Avenue of maintaining some of the historical Integrity of Uptown Greenwood and to see these buildings maintained and and get new life just like we've got a developer working on Oregon station the same thing is it's it it doesn't get any better for a planner I mean to see especially in your own Hometown so I'm really excited about this and I hope you are too yeah we are I um put a couple slides together um so this red dash line represents the phasing M um the larger section is what's considered to be phase one and the smaller area is considered to be phase two there two sort of renderings of how it you know could look when it's completed in the top corners there um I also thought y'all might like to see kind of how these buildings are going to be reused so this is the existing uh office building the old office building they're going to renovate this uh to the apartment of the residential kind of leasing office um this is Warehouse B which will be um 55 Square ft of commercial space so this is that same office building 5500 H 5500 what did I say 55 well the numberers up there 5,500 it's approximate I'm excited yeah I said 55 you're excited too aren't you H yeah um this is um another one of the warehouses which will be uh commercial space another one here commercial space and we're kind of like moving I tried to do these in order so you can you're kind of moving now along Maxwell where those buildings face the backside faces Maxwell um this is sort of the last large uh Brick Warehouse and then these are those um metal ones that are closer to like Mason they'll be demolished uh to make way for like residential and then some adjacent um parking I think in that area um so I I thought that was just a good way to just see how those buildings are going to be uh repurposed um I'm going to go back to here and then I'm going to let Brian be come up and sort of cover anything we didn't cover and answer any questions you guys have yeah thank anybody have anything else for Carol all right and I will say I'm already getting calls on other potential projects because of this in the same area so I mean I think this is going to trigger a lot of interest whoever wants to come it's fine um I mean I made some notes but it may be better for you guys to touch on it um it's a pretty pedestrian friendly space like Carol said they got a lot of green space out there um a lot of open space um they're maintaining you know kind of architectural Integrity we've talked about that a lot along the way of with the city investing money out here to clean this place up we wanted it to be uh it matched the character of the M Village um and it's going to do that I believe there's 400 units residential units planned between both yeah in in two phases mixture of Apartments potentially lost in tow houses and then there's some commercial space too um go ahead take it away all right just for the record we got M Brian Beal and I don't know that we we met strong Davis yeah just maybe we have yeah all all right there y'all what uh what did we leave out just now anything else y'all want to add I think they a great job of covering all of it really I'm just here to answer any questions um Brian remind me fa phase two there that's not in those dotted lines is that in what what is what is intended for phase two refresh my memory there most of is multi family multi family building gotcha gotcha all right now's our now's our opportunity to ask some many questions we want to we want to know are these purchased no this all be for rent also because of the nature of the property um you know we had to go in there and do a voluntary clean up contract on it because we didn't own it remember the city took ownership of it to clean it up and part of the restrictive um the deed was that it can it has to be one owner you can't subdivide it and sell it off like to build single single family sing correct well if it's if it's in keeping with what y'all have the projects y'all have I know it's obviously not nothing's exactly the same but we certainly enjoyed seeing what y'all have in Simpsonville and fountain in and and I think this is going to be probably even even better we certainly think so certainly on a larger scale yeah do you have any other neighborhood that you're actually doing Leasing and leasing um units that you own or is this this more of the first type of that this for us we have some but but not a lot this usually isn't our bread and butter okay um but uh but here given the demand being so high for what this is so remind us of the number of of units residential units multif family units um so for both phases combined 400 but we'd split it half 200 and 200 for phase one phase two okay it's a pretty pretty even split there so you're building the tow houses first or no or is it a combo is it you're doing apartment yeah the apartment what C and then some law style departments and one of the existing buildings phase one okay Town phe two and the to if we go back to that will there be a mixture of apartments and town homes in both phase one and phase two no town homes in phase one we'll have Loft style apartments and uh Garden style apartments in Phase One town homes in part of phase two got got where are you going to put the apartments what section there uh letter F the yellow building which she's highl right there okay that'll be a brand new build how many levels three I want to say level and that's parking behind there that's correct yeah and the style of the structures correct correct to maintain that that historic look and feel the so it'll be brick in in essence yeah and maybe this kind of goes a little bit with the next um it of business but how many access points are there going to be is that is it going to be one right off of Maxwell there well an access point off of Maxwell right there and then another one off at K okay the potential ones off of Norwood and Mason right in theut how do you get to that is it how do you get that the big parking lot behind the apartments kitchen kitchen or you can come in from here yeah there's a there's an ex point on awood at the top there but but I mean I mean yeah from kitson but which way around those apartments do you get there see you would pulling through Norwood at the top so if you see there's a little entry point off of Norwood top there right there they got to get access just above that where the have is where the a is they got to get access to it first okay okay and that's the only entrance to the apartment the the parking the parking lot yeah that will be dedicated for the apartments yes okay with some guest parking in there as well but mostly has been parking in there so all the amenities for those apartners are where uh they'll be mixed so if you look at the dark gray box over there I believe that's an amenity and I'm cor me if I'm wrong as I'm talking through this um but we're going to have that amenity and obviously with the with the use of the commercial and retail space we're going to have some green space amenities obviously they will have access to as well mostly driven for the commercial use but obviously they're welcome to go out there as well so G is your phase two G would be phase two yes that's correct those are town houses town houses and some apartments potentially yes how many are those about and and I'm sorry I think you just answered this but what is that going to be right there that's going to be an amenity for the multif family like what specifically right now we're kind of tossing some ideas around pool dog park that sort of thing okay in there don't want to do both of those in the same spot I would go all right any other questions well thank y'all appreciate your time yeah appreciate y'all coming I do want to note that the new future land use map and the previous I believe show this as mixed use right thank you what more would this be in six um I think it's all on six now BS has some across the street right yep across word three word three the whole three I thought the whole M SP six now it's three I saw three stay on to yeah we told you it go around oh don't start we told you name name somewhere you know yeah yeah that's all I need recognition BS manity BS Park BS park there you go a BS pool BB all right do I hear a motion with regard to ordinance number 24-17 motion to approve second have a motion by Miss BS second by miss hudo any further discussion regarding ordinance number 24- 017 all in favor of ordinance number 24- 017 that motion carries unanimously with seven votes all right and this one goes along with it I don't think that's right here we go okay under new business item number five has authorized the city manager to initiate a request to the Scot for the transfer of portions of Mason Street kitson street to the city uh Those portions of Road are outlin in yellow red is uh Maxwell Avenue and we talked about do didn't really want to give that up they said they would consider it if we took the whole run basically from matthys all the way back to the railroad tracks um just didn't seem like a good idea especially when such a small portion of the development fronts only fronts Maxwell um and then blue is Norwood we already own this section of the road this is a whole process and so I feel like you're probably going to ask me a lot of questions that I don't have the answers to uh because I've never initiated request like this to Scot before however there's a process that you have to go through and so before I wanted before I started that process I just wanted to get your authority to do that um and I'm sure there will be additional discussion about the acceptance of these roads before we actually do that I just need to um start the process of making the request I think um some council members would feel more comfortable knowing what y'all might think of is the economic impact I mean that way the question from the general public about maintaining these roads might be mitigated simply because they would know hey well this is going to bring this this kind of income or an estimated of this kind of income through Hospitality through um tax revenue through commercial development and I know that's kind of a hard question but I think I think the economic impact of this neighborhood is going to be tremendous to the entire area thus making it feasible in my opinion that the acceptance of these roads we will have the funds to maintain these roads and to do that with the income that this would bring in but I don't have any numbers to back that up I think that's a good a really good point um and while I'm very appreciative of what our partners at uh our friends at SC doot do we we understand that there's potentially less red tape and easier communication and contact with with the City of Greenwood than there there is in a state level um they've got a lot of miles to work with so I'm not I'm not fussing at do at all because uh they're they seem to be especially our contacts are very responsive but I understand why the request is is being made and to Miss H's point I think it makes sense from a long-term um standpoint in terms of the economic impact tax base being able to afford to maintain the roads even more so than we already do well from what we've also heard from staff is that Public Works is maintaining the rways of these streets any way so we're maintaining what we don't own um and having this development there would help give us an additional tax base to continue and maybe expand public works as we expand that Public Works can expand because we we'll need that is that right Eric are we maintaining these roads anyway Mason too Mason yeah we'll run a SL more and I know you can't give me the exact breakdown but are there lots of other parts in the city where we maintain even though we don't yeah I mean I would have to sit back and think of every place but I mean Seaboard for ages yeah I mean here recently do started you know maintaining it but that's a prim example got for years and and again I'm not trying to throw dot under the bus but when we does it do we just have to call them and say hey y'all need to maintain this or they just slow to get around on their maintenance slow family I mean we had to call too because you know for so many years we were maintaining and if you're not maintaining it it kind of gets out of your mind you know you don't think about having to worry about it but uh like I said they have started here recently cutting some more stuff I guess I'm just contracted a lot of their work out I I'm just curious what because they do M they do a good job of maintaining some things so I'm just curious how they pick and choose what they want to focus on that's a good question yes as good as mine yeah well con see we always have to call right I don't think they know what they have they may not know what they there's a bit of that too but we still have we have to basically authorizing you to to start the process why you can get you can get that economic information for us sure I can work with Brian to get some of that information for you guys um this really just again authorizes me to just start the conversation with do about about how to make the request and move through the next steps but I think we we won't officially take the roads in until we come back to council and get your approval to do so so this is not authorizing us to take the roads it's just authorizing me to engage with do about the process um the last time we had this conversation I I was I was in a mood and I'll admit it and um I really was I really I really acted out and I shouldn't have I apologize for that but um I've come around to this you know we we're not we're we're good I'm I'm I'm good with it I would accept the race tonight you know part of me wants to you better take a vote in that initi part of me in this initiation wants to wants to trade but but if we I mean trade some other if these are do maintained roads trade for something that give them something that we have but I I again I don't want I mean I don't think they're going to do that I don't think a I don't I don't know that they would do it but B I don't want to put something else under their purview when we could I think we keep this in our back pocket and can remind them future yeah and my my only other question which I don't want to open up too much is that we're peace mealing kitson and well and Mason but I think we found out we already own part of kitson anyway uh yeah Eric did remind me that it's just the P that's basically across Cambridge that little tiny section behind the men's Garden sort of but I mean yes we are peace mealing it but In fairness we there's tons of streets in the city that are like that there one area that Miss balls Miss BS calls about sometimes like like Spring Valley that area and it's it's real crazy because part of it do and parts the city and part of the county so it just kind of depends like where did that stop sign fall and it's like it's your and then I know thing one other thing that weal I've talked about with staff too is that if we own say kitson we have a better chance of you know say we want to do a cdbg grant for Street skate to connect we need to we need to own it so well do you know Maxwell's a good example of you know we could we did we got to CG Grant we did parts of Maxwell Avenue do still owns Maxwell Avenue but we have to maintain anything decorative the sidewalks though right we we maintain those yeah main I think City talking about taking on a big responsibility and I don't see nothing there getting back for it I think that was why like mayor said if they was going to give us something back for it take a couple more of our streets we might take care well and to that point I think we are I mean that's that was directly what Miss Hut stated was we are getting it back it may it may be in an indirect long-term way but the economic impact and has is I mean from a tax based standpoint to uh I mean I don't know that shoot this could be I mean would this be part of Uptown even it's not adjacent to Uptown so I think it would be difficult to Annex it into the Uptown yeah I don't have anything against it I just don't see the city taking on that responsibility when we're not getting anything for it but we are let me tell you what kind of brought me around to this um we're taking one of our City's worst eyesores and we're turning it into a Flagship property of our community and and I think that you know this for for the the decisions that we've made tonight or we may make tonight um we are making our community so much better off of two major developments and two things that is going to it's going to be two huge bright spots in our community I'm right I'm all for that because that's my board yes sir but but there's also keep in mind there's also going to be 4 00 units and 400 probably 800 new cars and a lot of new people that are going to be coming to Uptown Greenwood and right into our city and you know we're going to be able to point back to these when that next census come out and say hold on this we we grew and and I and I and I'm I'm very proud of these two developments in particular this one in par uh from the initial very initial meeting that happen was happen stance to to where we are today um when you really look at the big picture of all of this you know the developer could have come to us and said hey we want a fee and Lou he could have they could have said they wanted us to take on additional responsibilities in L of taxes or anything like that they didn't do any of that and they're taking a a once huge liability the city had sitting here I I hope I'm saying that tactfully and that they cleaned up and they're turning it into a jewel of our community I think it's just going to be incredible yeah and and as was mentioned if we're already maintaining it anyway we might as well but I think that's a good point and I know these are just um first reading at least from our our last order of a business item but I think once this thing once we assuming we do pass it there's there's a lot of history that we have haven't been involved in but I know Miss BS and miss o and even Mr TRS too um with the cleanup of this site over many years glad to see this finally come to fruition yeah they were they were stop they were working out just had started that when I came on Counsel God that was a long time ago I would know building Earth I believe no he came out there so is already here all right um y'all we've been discuss we is there a motion not yet well we we jumped the gun with discussion but it kind of goes together with the the last um order business motion to authorize city manager to initiate their request toot and a motion by M Miller second by Miss huto based on Robert's Rules orders we probably did jump the gun a little bit but any further discussion it's okay we do stur yes stur thank you thank you Tiffany you're right well based on sturis we probably jump the gun a little bit yeah all right all in favor of authorizing the city manager to initiate a request to Scot for the transfer of portions of Mason Street and kitson street that motion carries unanimously s y' can I use a restroom just real quick I gu I right you got two minutes I got that's how long it takes me to wash my hands hungry some you want some e e e yeah had to half 30 seconds all right take you did was your hands right of course that you don't ever have to ask me that question the last uh new business item is to consider ordinance number 24-18 which is to Grant a uh franchise agreement to Bright speed for telecomunications I'm not going to read that whole item but it'll be in the record um essentially I I just want to give youall a little bit of a like a lesson here on like telecommunications ordinances so they're telecommunications is governed by the Telecommunications Act 1999 and the way that works is that telecommunication company pay a fixed franchise fee ranging from $100 to $1,000 depending on your population um historically we've receive $750 and then they pay a 1% business license fee so this ordinance before you tonight does not dictate any type of fee structure it only governs how they install in our community so it it outlines here's what you can do and here's how you can do it um the the uh franchise agreement is good for 10 years and then if it's not cancelled it renews every every year after that the best I can tell actually in reading the state law is that you don't even have to have a franchise agreement for telecommunications um but it's advisable because it governs how the infrastructure is installed in your community and by how you mean exactly where like it can go in your right of way it should go in the ground not on polls if it has to go on polls you have to see permission you know it there's there's there's all kinds of governing information in there about how you have to get permits and you have to provide a Certificate of Insurance all those types of things just so you don't have someone coming in and installing fiber in your community and you don't even know they're here um which does happen um it's it's happened many times um but having this franchise agreement in place gives us the te we need to be able to say okay well you're not abiding by the rules that we set forth for you to install this in our community do we have these type of agreements with other uh we do um franchise I will say that this one is um this is a new a a new new new version of this ordinance I reached out to masc and asked them for a copy of their model um ordinance and as a result of that Eric Shido who's the general counsil per see he actually reviewed it and modified it so this is a a newer language than we have with any other right cuz this is I mean this ordinance is six pages long it's much it's an easy read though it's not it's it it really just puts the rules in place under which you can put you can install your infrastructure in our community are is there any uh and again I know what we're doing doesn't deal with the actual fee but is there any thing to report in terms of the fee structure well just what do you mean I mean we we keeping is the proposal to keep them at 750 it doesn't have anything to do with us it's governed by state law so we don't have any control over it I got I go you are there any other that we should go back and update based on so excellent question and staff is reviewing now to see what do we have in place because there's also you know cable franchise agreements which are completely different from telecommunications and those are completely dictated by the city and you set the percentage up 5% so those are different than Telecom and you also sometimes have companies that have both and so it's it sounds like a simple thing to navigate but it's not as simple as it sounds and also you have bright speed might have bought out this company and bought out this company and bought out this company and so you know I do think there are going to be some that we're going to have to bring you to update yes and and I think there may be some that we should have and we don't so just just waiting through all that right now but we've been in touch with bright speed their attorney uh reached out to us about a franchise agreement so um this one was a pretty straightforward because we were already in communication with them so all right thank you for anything you you told us you going to educate us anything else to that we need to learn about in this regard that is the most simplistic way I can explain them to you I sent I sent to stav a whole email I'm like listen this is how this works just in case anybody asked later thank you that's like a TED Talk I mean it really kind of was like a TED Talk I should film it um what is now all right do we hear a motion motion to approve ordinance 24-0 and8 second have a motion by Mr Miller second by Mr Bass any further discussion all in favor of ordinance number 24-18 motion carries unanimously with seven votes only other thing I'll mention is that masc collects that 1% and they remit it to it do they remit it quarterly SAR or they they have like three or four dates um I did want to mention if know if y'all didn't know this that um Damian Dominguez with the index Journal he went to work for Ferman so he's not with the index anymore sorry so I wasn't sure if y'all are aware of that so I don't know who I don't know who will be replacing him maybe the young lady a lady named Maya atton yeah she said she was going to be here tonight um just recently graduated from Lander and comes per Damian very highly recommended so nice I met with her um Thursday or Friday very nice um there's I know I've said this at least three times about the audit being on the agenda um there was one thing that came up just at the last last minute that they needed to sort through um so we're I believe we're going to put them on the agenda for September the 16th I think there's just naturally going to be things when you change Auditors that are going to come up um so we apologize for the delay Sarah said I sure do hate to send you this email but um we'll have them on for September the 16th um let's see Solid Waste ordinance I just wanted to let yall know I was going to put it on for the August for tonight's meeting but I really just didn't feel comfortable that it was in a final draft format for y'all to consider I have a couple things I still need to go through with Eric and Sarah and once I have that kind of put together in a format that we're all extremely comfortable with we'll email that out to you guys for review hopefully discuss it at the September work session and then uh take a first reading on September the 16th agenda um the 2024 election the filing closes on April the 15th at noon we do have um two people uh that are uh running for seat one that's Miss huto and a lady named D Sals uh three people have filed for award three Mr Glenn Williams Annette Edwards and uh Brandon best uh no one filed to run against Mr Miller but he did file to run um and uh we also have uh step Gilbert Steven Gilbert CPW commissioner seat opening Craig sucky filed there so we have a lot of people in the election uh not Miss BS she's not there um but he abusive you know well you know um but I'm glad to see that there are people you know filing to to run because I'm always nervous you know what if somebody is running no one files so I'm glad I don't have to learn about that that's not I listen Mr Williams is back I listened to Mr bass's interview with Ann Eller and he echoed that exact same sentiment so that was oh I knew someone I knew two people um ax and hxs applications are due August the 31st and once we have those applications in hand and reviewed we'll put them in a Dropbox for uh the three folks that uh were nominated for the um committee to take a look at and then on September the 9th we'll have a special called meeting where where we will have those um applicants present to council and to the at tax committee as well September 9th will be work session because SE that's right and it'll be and we'll we'll have a special call meeting to receive those presentations um uh on the 9th there'll be the special yes uhuh um we're still doing litter pickups next one is Mr Miller award five um that one's on September the 14th at Grace Street Park and then um we had our first uh community meeting organized by uh Chief shadowen uh August 13th in in Ward one um probably not the the best turnout from the community had a great turnout from Council so yeah Council I want to thank all the council members and the mayor for attending I tell you what I thought the turnout could have been a lot worse sure and they asked good questions I thought it was a really good meeting I know that um the chief has asked Ace team to kind of ramp up their um promotion of the meetings so the next one will be uh W two that's going to be at the art center on September the 10th at 6 o'clock so anyone's welcome you don't have to live in W two to come to those um so you know you can invite anybody and welcome the meetings AR that they weren't um specific that word specific I mean they were more more General but then the actual participants asked more specific questions about the ward and it it played it played pretty I think it played well and thank you chief for taking care of that one thing I'm going to talk to you about exactly what happened and if you want to see someone Le a community meeting you come see chief sholan on September 10th um he did a great job did a real good job thank you sir yeah he always do I have to sit him down she won't let me talk no no he does a good job um and then I did want to make mention of the fact that um if you're probably aware of the fact that the county is moving to a modified schedule where they're going to be some of their administrative staff is going to be working um uh for 410 basically they're going uh Monday through Thursday and the their administrative offices will be closed on Fridays and because building inspection is housed jointly with planning engineering like management um it really did not make good logical sense for them not to go to that same schedule um because they need planning and zoning and Engineering staff there when they're at work and vice versa when the Count's working they need building inspection staff there as well um so that change will go into effect um September the 3 that new schedule we are still working internally on some challenges with uh vacation time and things like that but working internally on that um and then also uh you know the county is doing a lot of upgrades to the courthouse to their administra buildings at Park Plaza and as a result um the building inspection planning engineering Lake management and EMS are all moving out of the basement and they are temporarily relocating to Airport Road uh they'll be there for about 18 months while Renovations are completed at the courthouse and then also at Park Plaza and once all those Renovations are complete those offices will move into the suite where the county manager is now um so just just know there's a temporary relocation of those offices out to Airport Road and we do know that's a little bit further out than where they're located now we are working through the nuances of that as a staff um we have a meeting with Toby on Wednesday Stephanie and um Sarah and I just to talk through through some payment things and and different things but Travis has been really great at helping us uh keeping us informed about uh the county you know the movements and things like that so just want to make sure yall are aware of that just don't try to take Airport Road out there just don't try to take Airport Road out to the office out to the office oh because the bridge is the bridge is out I know um it's just small things that you know that you have to think about like right now we building inspection they take money and at you know 445 they bring it over to the finance staff well now their off sales are changing and they're out at airport roads so being able to get cash back to finance just just things like that um the Abby Banks the county public information officer she's really um handling all the public education on it and we're just kind of taking what she's got and sharing it on our end so that's all I have all right will there make will will there be any point where we maybe look at this something similar I just you know considering people just think of government and not they don't always think of the oh this is County this is City they just come up here and when you say think when we think of something similar like like a similar sorry back to the hours so like yeah so because you know if they're coming up here for a service you know we work so City staff right now works what's called like a modified Flex schedule so we're open the same hours Monday through Friday but um the staff Works four day weeks they get their 37 and a half hours in in four days and then they're off one day a week and it's up to each department head to determine what day that is what staff coverage they need when we originally discussed sort of a modified schedule the county I don't think was really ready to to go that direction and so it didn't really make good sense we couldn't go to a 4-day week if if the county didn't go with us because you know they because of all the joint departments um another challenge we faced was you know you have some departments that just can't do that right um so right now the modified schedule that we have is working well for us but I think we'll let the county kind of test this out and see how this 4day thing works out for them and if it works well then internally we'll probably discuss whether that makes sense for us too um you know CPW they work a their admin offices are only open until 11: or noon on no on Friday Friday so they work a little bit of a different variation and then GMA Metro they also do four four10 the Monday through Thursday so everybody's kind of on a different modified schedule um but it's something that we're going to keep an eye on to see how it works for the county thank all right any uh that's that you that's it yes anything from Ward one to report well we did have a our community meeting it was very um fruitful um right now we have lots of development in W one and development issues and some other ws and some other Wards as well um we uh we are dealing with people putting mix mix uses of stuff and toilets and construction material and putting stuff on other people's property and all all of that and is still happening in the ward uh it's just unfortunate that um I found too that um a lot of my constituents have come to me well we didn't know about this and so I I gave them a list of websites and a lot of people say well I don't you know I don't look at those websites or I don't look at that stuff and they have an expectation um of you getting that information to them even though it's in the public domain and if they're not looking at social media or not checking I don't know how else so I was wondering you know this ordinance chck that we're going to have we're going to actually probably have to mail stuff to them or even like go door to door um so with this new uh waste ordinance I feel that I'm going to have to basically um go door to door or tack it door too on my constituents to inform them because I think they're still even if we stuck with what we have they're doing it wrong right when we bring you guys the ordinance we're also going to bring you our our public Outreach plan um so that was another part of the reason why we didn't bring it tonight we just didn't feel like it was solidified yet but we we're we're pretty close on both items and I feel like we have a good plan forward so I still feel that the um general public feels that they are not in the loop when it comes to Planning Commission Planning and Zoning changes and Zoning changes they constantly that's a constant so I'm thinking that one thing that I don't know how we can achieve it um but I'm thinking that there's got to be some better way um newspaper readership is dying out I mean they're not least what I'm say signs they do put up signs but I I think people have like blinders on they're either texting or looking at their whatever their signs of both sides of the road and they do inform the immediate neighbors that but the property but other than that it's it's I don't care what we do it seems that it it just the the consum cry we didn't know about it why didn't you tell us it's an interesting time to be alive and getting word out to people people are very informed about certain issues but I I know what you're saying so that's it I'm I'm done thank you about war two anything for the same thing pretty much um Phoenix Place Apartments I got a constituent that is dealing with a mold to the point she's had to move out of her apartment at Phoenix place at Phoenix place I thought she was my constituent she said she was mine and I thought it was yours too it's mine Phoenix place is yours Phoenix place is mine cuz you're at the top and Below yeah right noix maybe she moved out and moved into his I think that's what well she's staying with a daughter that's in my oh so I if you could share that information if you could share a different that's a different so it's a it's a m problem in that area that's a second complaint so I need to know about that cuz nobody's told me I send it to you I I wor during Co um we worked really close to what I did with with the the owners and the the people that managed Phoenix Place departments in 2020 uh um and I found them to be very very very easy and very responsive to anything that we had very accessible um willing to help um so I would encourage you just to reach out to that office okay I will I'm going to keep it brief on that because she's reared the office she's had to pay $400 to get her own report to show that the mold was there she presented it to the office the office in turn claimed that they cleaned it up she moved back into the apartment she's still having the same symptoms gotten sick had another study done that's another $400 that she's paid out of her pocket and she's on a fixed income same results only thing now you're wanting to do is move her from a two- bedroom to a one bedroom I believe those apartments have changed hands since I I was look at real quick I think it they justtin changed stand right during that time period just beforehand um and then they they changed but um yeah that's really unfortunate Robert I hate that yeah yeah but if you give be that inform looks like we can go together March of last year it was sold March of 20 that's a new one um well hack Aven got a broken sidewalk from a tree that uprooted from falling over in the storm and they got sink holes on hacket Avenue and State Road State Road that's what I thought you said sink CLS and a broken sidewalk yeah we I'll we'll I'll shoot them my email all right and last but not least uh 104 Bay courts this was funny to me today because this happened on my way here um this lady who lives there she is rent she's renting the house but her neighbors around her have continuous problems with her however she has grass that is almost up to her Windows she has an abandoned car in the yard and she has a dog that has chased one of the neighbors kids as they're sitting waiting for the bus stop and the neighbor is what made me laugh because she's like I'mma tell you now if that Chase my daughter one more time I'm going kill the dog and I don't care what that woman says so got lot yeah that's where's that b that's sad what when I pulled it up it came a view yeah it's mine I'm sorry well thank you we you you addressed that the right people need to hear Robert thank you anything else from war two that's it for me all right how about War I when I have the same problem is W one and W two but not with the mold with the dog and not with yeah we did have some dog situation in went Che yeah but um not chasing people just straight dogs but I I would like to say I I I sent a concern list to um to um Miss W staff and miss wooki and thank God I got a I got concerns and and some quite a few of these been taken care of and I just want to thank Eric and his staff cuz these some of these things were you're horrendous and thank you so much uh for being able to I see collect collect thank you so much we still have some things that I'm checking on I think I've sent them to you on P Street but that's just consistent all over the city but I'm I'm I'm being patient trying to make sure we get everything we need but hopefully once we do our new ordinance that would that would take care of some of these problems with the overgrowth and with the mixed piles my my biggest problem in my w is the mixed piles mix piles and thank you thank you for moving that large horrendous pile off of teren Street where all the parents was coming to pick their kids up from um East End Heights and all they saw was this huge pile on the side of the road a mixed use beds and I think a little bit everything was in that pile but anyway thank you guys it's like you enter one you enter one area at the back like a car rider you exit out the other side on the Terence right there in um the C like a big huge but they moved it thank God but thank you um how about word four um thank you mayor I I think uh I think I think it' probably be good if we can add something to our report sorry Julie but I think we probably need to get more of a frequent Staffing update um because I think we're all getting we're getting complaints and I and I hate to the part of the problems that we're having are staffing issues and in particular like one that I dealt with last week was Uptown grass and and it was very vocal on social media about it and you know Eric and I spoke about it but you know this Eric's not just neglecting his job they're doing everything they possibly can to get the job done and and but you there's a body of work that has to be completed but if the the ability to be able to do that work diminishes or you don't have that uh we feel very confident in our leadership from the department and from administrative side and so but if we if we can't get the people here to work then we're exploring things like Outsourcing things things um Contracting things creative ways to do things I I encourage people you know reach out to the city manager or to the department head so I don't know if any of that stuff happens but the criticism is up but we're this is what we signed up for and but I'm thankful for that but um you know we're they're doing everything they possibly can second thing is we had a great trash pickup um we had great turnout a lot of um a lot of folks from the Toro soccer program showed up helped out we were actually in and out of there Sample Road cleaned up Mr Stucky came um and um he was there before we even got there so um he he'd already done one one one in it only took us 45 minutes to get sample done um so that was that was good because it was it was hot um and then the third thing is and I meant to ask this earlier but um did these new rules for the Department of Labor have any impact to us there's I know y'all don't really staff that way but you did you have a lot of impact from that you talking about on the um the uh overtime and the change in uh what specifically are you talking about about the new rules that just went into to in place go not for the July 1 one we were okay there were I think we had three employees that we had to kind of look at but January when we are looking at closely we're going to have to about it that is a much larger increase and then we just have to and it's going to be every years going forward until somebody changes it but yeah the one for January will affect us and I think we need to keep that in mind about the impact that the one in January would have on us if it were to continue because it's going to impact a lot of our small businesses tremendously and whether it's bad or good for those um obviously for the individuals it helps uh but it's going to be be very impactful for businesses and I think we're going to see a shift in in what happens there but people do need Fair wages I get it but uh this this um I see it hurting in the nonprofit sector I see it hurting nonprofits immensely and so um a lot of layoffs are happening there related to those things just to be able to make it all work so um that's that was the end of my report thank you how about W five uh the only thing I had was taken care of yesterday uh by Chief sh shoan pretty quickly and I don't have anything else so I thank him for that publicly though thank you always responsive appreciate yeah how about W my Ward w six biggest problem problem I have is people calling saying my neighbor not cutting their grass I mean that I that's my biggest problem that's I'd say 70% of my phone calls are that nobody nobody in Lodge grounds though that be Lodge grounds no Lodge grounds cut there and they pile it all over the side the road works all day the day cleaning it up well I had it was a mess yesterday I rode through there yesterday and it was a mess where l l L grounds I called Eric today and he he said we going get it today you finished it I don't know if they're done you don't know but they got over there I'm excited to go home and see my yard um they probably got about three4 of those tiles of LOD grounds today oh good good they get the big one over there that I was talking about I don't know about the big one but I know generally they've done about three4 of them what Z is large about one one yeah is on one oh well I enjoyed um joining Ronnie's every other week group at Hardies last week um bunch of bunch of folks that U have some good ideas and been around for a minute yeah two of the usuals that live in the city were out yeah well be back again soon enjoyed come on back enjoyed your I think everybody from C show me my I think everybody needs show that here I bet you they have a bunch of ideas they love ronning um work old time co-workers are ronies um well thank y'all if there's no other comments um we we have a to second a motion by Mr Bass second by Mr Miller any further discussion all in favor of adjournment motion carries you name [Music]