. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE AND WELCOME. I WILL CALL TO ORDER THIS BLOOMINGTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING. IT IS MONDAY, JULY 14TH, 2025. WELCOME TO EVERYONE JOINING US HERE IN THE CHAMBERS AND WELCOME TO EVERYBODY WATCHING ONLINE. WE WILL START AS WE ALWAYS DO IF YOU'RE ABLE PLEASE STAND REMOVE ANY COVERING AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE . I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD. INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL . ONCE AGAIN WELCOME ALL. SO LONG NIGHT CONTINUES BUT WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS WORK DONE. THANKS TO TO YOU AND TO STAFF FOR THE WORK THAT WE'VE GOT UNDERWAY HERE. OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS TONIGHT IS TO APPROVE OUR AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING OUR FIRST ITEM UNDER INTRODUCTORY ITEMS WE HAVE NOTHING. ITEM THREE IS OUR CONSENT BUSINESS COUNCIL MEMBER LOWMAN HAS A CONSENT BUSINESS WHICH IS 13 ITEMS LONG ITEM FOR HEARINGS, RESOLUTIONS AND ORDINANCES. WE HAVE ONE RESOLUTION AND ONE PUBLIC HEARING. ITEM 4.1 IS A RESOLUTION AWARDING THE SALE OF TAXABLE SALES TAX REVENUE BONDS. SERIES 2025 AND GENERAL OBLIGATION SALES TAX REVENUE BONDS SERIES 2020 FIVE B 4.2 IS OUR PUBLIC HEARING AND THAT IS A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING ORDINANCES AMENDING CHAPTER 20 THAT'S REGARDING CENTERPOINT ENERGY AND XCEL ENERGY FRANCHISE FEES UNDER ORGANIZATIONAL BUSINESS ITEM FIVE WE'VE GOT ITEM 5.1 WHICH IS AN UPDATE ON THE BLOOMINGTON ICE GARDEN CONSTRUCTION UNDERWAY AND IN 5.2 WE'RE GOING TO GET AN UPDATE ABOUT OUR SIDEWALK PLOWING REDUCTION EVALUATION PLAN AND ITEM 5.3 WILL WRAP UP TONIGHT WITH OUR CITY COUNCIL POLICY AND ISSUE UPDATE COUNCIL. IS THERE ANYTHING TO ADD ANY CORRECTIONS WITH THE CONSENT IS WITH THE AGENDA AS STATED. HEARING NONE I WILL MOVE APPROVAL OF TONIGHT'S AGENDA AS STATED SECOND MOTION IN A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER CARTER TO ACCEPT TONIGHT'S AGENDA. NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED THE MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO AND NOW THAT WE HAVE AN AGENDA COUNCILMAN ALTER FOR. FROM IT FOR JUST A MOMENT HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE A MEMBER OF A BOY SCOUT TROOP HERE IN THE AUDIENCE WITH US TONIGHT WORKING ON A BADGE. I UNDERSTAND DECLAN MONAHAN, STAND UP. WHY DON'T YOU GIVE EVERYBODY A WAVE? DECLAN THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. TROOP 374 AND IS THAT YOUR BIG BROTHER NEXT TO YOU THERE OR IS ANOTHER 40 YEARS AGO OKAY. OKAY. WELCOME. THANKS FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. THANKS FOR YOUR FRAME. DECLAN GOOD TO HAVE YOU. WELCOME. WE MOVE ON TO OUR AGENDA COUNCIL I'M WE'RE GOING TO START WITH ITEM THREE OUR CONSENT. BUSINESS COUNCIL MEMBER LOWMAN WITH THE CONSENT AGENDA COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN I'LL MAKE A CALL FOR IF THERE ARE ANY HOLDS OUT THERE SEEING NONE. I'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ITEM 3.1 THROUGH 3.1 13 SAYING. MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER LOWMAN SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER TO ACCEPT TONIGHT'S CONSENT BUSINESS ITEM 3.1 THROUGH 3.13 KNOW FOR THE COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. MOVING ON TO OUR HEARINGS RESOLUTIONS AND ORDINANCES AND ITEM 4.1 A RESOLUTION AWARDING THE SALE OF TAXABLE SALES TAX REVENUE BONDS SERIES 2025 A AND GENERAL OBLIGATION SALES TAX REVENUE BONDS SERIES 2025 BE. OUR CFO LAURIE ECONOMY SHOULDER IS GOING TO BRING US THIS ONE . GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL SEE WHAT'S A GREAT DAY IN THE MARKET PRESS AND I ALWAYS LIKE TO HEAR THAT IT IS PRIYANKA'S BRINGING UP THE PRESENTATION SO IN YOUR PACKET YOU HAD INFORMATION ON THE STANDARD PORTS CREDIT RATING SO I'LL JUST JUMP INTO THAT AS THEY'RE BRINGING UP THE PRESENTATION. SO ON THE SALES TAX BONDS, S&P RATED IT A DOUBLE WHICH IS VERY NORMAL FOR A REVENUE BOND AND IT THE SAME RATING THAT WE RECEIVE FOR OUR BLOOMINGTON ICE CAR AND BONDS LAST FALL. AND SO WE ANTICIPATED THE 65 MILLION BONDS AND THE NEXT PAGE THERE GO. SO WE BROUGHT FORWARD THE 65 MILLION IN THE 2025 SALES TAX BONDS THIS MORNING AND THEN WE BROUGHT FORWARD THE 30.8 MILLION IN THE 2024 B BONDS THIS MORNING AND WE HAD A STABLE OUTLOOK WITH S&P AND THEN ON THIS GEO SALES TAX AGAIN A TRIPLE A BECAUSE THE CITY IS A TRIPLE-A. AND WE ANTICIPATED AGAIN THE 30.8 MILLION ACTUALLY ON THAT ONE STABLE OUTLOOK AND THEN ON THE 2025 A THE SALES TAX BONDS THE TOTAL AMOUNT THAT IS BEING ISSUED IS 63,000,005. WITH THAT WE ARE ABLE TO AND IT'S A 20 YEAR TERM WE HAD THE WINNING BID IS JEFFERIES LLC WE HAD SEVEN BIDDERS THIS MORNING. THE INTEREST COST IS A 4.21% AND WE WERE ANTICIPATING ABOUT ABOUT ABOUT 30 BASIS POINTS HIGHER THAN THAT. THE DEBT SERVICE IS FULLY RESEARCHED, FULLY FUNDED WITH US AND THE PROJECT WILL RECEIVE THE 65 MILLION ON THE GEO 2025 B BONDS. WE WENT INTO THE MARKET WITH A 30,000,000.825 BEFORE COST OF ISSUANCE AND RELATED DEBT SERVICE AGAIN A 20 YEAR TERM THE SALES TAX REVENUE WILL PAY THE DEBT SERVICE ON THIS WE HAD ROBERT BAIRD IS THE WINNING BIDDER. WE ACTUALLY HAD 15 BIDDERS SO LAST FALL WE HAD 11 FOR THE SALES TAX BONDS FOR BIG WE HAD FOUR MORE BIDDERS FOR. SO THIS IS GETTING OUT IN THE MARKET FOR US REALLY WELL THE 3.92 IS THE TRUE INTEREST COST AND AGAIN WHEN I LOOKED AT THE BIDDERS, ALL 14 OF THEM WERE WITHIN EIGHT BASIS POINTS. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TIMING OF THAT, ALL OF THEM SUBMIT THEIR BIDS WITHIN 2.5 MINUTES. SO THEY ARE READY RIGHT AT RIGHT BEFORE 10:00 TO JUST PUSH THE BUTTON. WE'RE USING $8 MILLION OF THE ACCUMULATED SALES TAX TO BUY DOWN THESE BONDS AND THE PROJECT WILL RECEIVE 35 MILLION. SO TODAY IS THE BOND SALE AND HOPEFULLY YOU'LL AWARD THESE BONDS TO THE TWO LOWEST BIDDERS AND THEN WE'LL RECEIVE THE PROCEEDS ON AUGUST 13TH. AND THEN BEFORE YOU ARE THE TWO MOTIONS. THANK YOU. AND JUST TO CLARIFY HERE, THESE ARE JUST SO THE PUBLIC THIS GENERAL PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THESE ARE RELATED TO EXCUSE ME THE COMMUNITY HEALTH AND WELLNESS CENTER. YES, MAYBE THEY ARE THESE ARE TO FULLY FUND THE BOND PORTION THAT THE COUNCIL AND THE RESIDENTS ARE AUTHORIZED PER OUR SALES TAX REFERENDUM $100 MILLION FOR THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL ANY QUESTIONS OF MISS ECONOMY SURELY THIS EVENING COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO JUST A QUICK QUESTION AND THANK YOU FOR THE CONSTANT GOOD WORK THAT YOU DO. I'M CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT YOU MENTIONED THAT WE HAD LOTS OF BIDDERS AND THAT WE HAD THEM QUICKLY. IS THERE A IS THERE A MARKETING PROCESS THAT THE FOLKS THAT SUPPORT US DO TO GET THIS OUT THERE OR IS IT JUST A MATTER OF THEM PAYING ATTENTION TO US LIKE HOW DOES THAT PROCESS WORK? SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL WE ALSO HAVE ELIZABETH BERGMAN FROM BAKER TILLY HERE SO I'LL HAVE ELIZABETH COME UP AND SHE CAN SHARE HER INFORMATION. BUT BAKER TILLY DOES A LOT OF WORK TO PUT OUR OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS OUT IN THE MARKETS AND SO THEY AS SOON AS THE CREDIT RATING WAS RELEASED THEY PUSHED. YEAH. THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL BAKER TILLY TAKES GREAT EFFORTS TO MAKE SURE THE MARKET IS AWARE OF ALL OF OUR DEALS BUT PARTICULARLY OF COURSE THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. WE WORK WITH THE PLATFORM CALLED MUNI PLATFORM A VERY CREATIVE NAME THERE PLATFORM COMMITTEE PLATFORM THAT HAS REACHED TO ALL THE INVESTOR COMMUNITY. SO THE FOLKS WHO MIGHT BE BUYING THE BONDS ULTIMATELY AS WELL AS THE BANKS WHO ARE THE CONDUIT FOR PURCHASING THE BONDS SO USUALLY AND I'M SORRY I DON'T HAVE THE STATISTIC IN FRONT OF ME BUT I THINK IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT 500 UNIQUE EMAILS THAT WILL HAVE REVIEW THE OFFICIAL STATEMENT. SO THAT IS YOU KNOW PEOPLE AT LIKE CIT INVESTMENT GROUP WHICH IS A MINNEAPOLIS INVESTOR SO I POINT THEM OUT YOU KNOW THEIR CREDIT PEOPLE, THEIR PORTFOLIO MANAGERS WILL ALL BE LOOKING AT THE OFFICIAL STATEMENT TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S AN INVESTMENT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN AS WELL AS THE BANK OF JEFFRIES WHO IS THE CONDUIT FOR HOW YOU GET TO THOSE INVESTORS. SO 500 FOLKS INDIVIDUAL EMAIL SOME OF THEM IF YOU LOOK AT THEY'VE HIT IT LIKE 800 TIMES SO THEY'VE WORKED MORE THAN ONCE BUT IT'S 500 EMAILS AND THAT'S THE WAY THAT WE GET THAT OUT AS WELL AS WORKING WITH THE INVESTOR COMMUNITY WHO UNDERSTANDS OUR SELL CALENDAR AND WE PUBLISH IT AND THE BOND BUYER AS WELL. SO A LOT OF EFFORTS UNDERTAKEN TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MARKET IS AWARE AND BLOOMINGTON'S NAME ALWAYS GETS A LOT OF ATTRACTION. LIKE I SAID, LIKE LORI SAID, 15 BIDDERS TODAY WAS I THINK A RECORD FOR THE CITY. SO AND IT'S MORE THAN I'VE SEEN FOR A LONG TIME. >> AND IF I MAY MR. MANAGERS RECALL A QUESTION SO THANK YOU FOR THAT THAT WAS SUPER HELPFUL IS THAT IT'S NOT ANONYMOUS RIGHT? IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY KNOW THAT IT'S THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON THAT'S PUTTING THESE THINGS OUT. THERE'S NOT IT'S NOT LIKE A CLEAN ROOM OR SOMETHING WHERE THEY DON'T KNOW IT'S UP. >> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY WHEN WE PUBLISH AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT. SO THAT'S A DOCUMENT THAT DETAILS THE BOND OFFERING AS WELL AS INFORMATION ABOUT THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. SO THAT WILL BE LIKE I SAY ABOUT THE BONDS, HOW THEY PAY ,WHAT THE SECURITY IS AS WELL AS JUST FDAMENTALS ABOUT THE CITY, THE SALES TAX COLLECTIONS, THE STAFF, THE SERVICES THAT YOU ALL PROVIDE. IT'S GOT A LOT OF DETAILED INFORMATION THAT YOUR STAFF AND THE AND THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE WORKING GROUP REVIEW SO THERE'S A RICH AMOUNT OF INFORMATION AND WHEN BIDDERS ARE BIDDING ON THESE BONDS THEY KNOW IT'S BLOOMINGTON AND THEY KNOW A LOT OF DETAILED INFORMATION. >> THANK YOU COUNCIL ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS COUNSEL COUNSEL IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS COMMENTS, CONCERNS I WOULD LOOK FOR ACTION. WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF MOTIONS ON THE SCREEN IN FRONT OF US. I WOULD LOOK FOR ACTION ON ITEM 4.1 THIS EVENING. >> COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO MIGHT AS WELL JUST KEEP TALKING IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. I MIGHT AS WELL. SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU DO. I YOU KNOW AND FOR ALL OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE SKEPTICAL ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT BLOOMINGTON IS THE PLACE TO BE, THESE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT REINFORCE THAT. THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD STUFF GOING ON. SO WITH THAT I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE OF A SALES TAX REVENUE BONDS SERIES 2025 A IN THE ORIGINAL AGGREGATE PRINCIPAL AMOUNT OF $63,500,000 FIXING THEIR FORM AND SPECIFICATIONS PROVIDING FOR THE EXECUTION AND DELIVERY THEREOF AND THE SECURITY THERE FOR SAY IN MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 2025 A AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE OF SALES TAX REVENUE BONDS SERIES 2025 A NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO I WILL ALSO MOVE TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE OF GENERAL OBLIGATION SALES TAX REVENUE BONDS SERIES 2025 BE IN THE ORIGINAL AGGREGATE PRINCIPAL AMOUNT OF $28,125,000 FIXING THEIR FORM AND SPECIFICATIONS PROVIDING FOR THE EXECUTION AND DELIVERY THEREOF AND THE SECURITY THERE FOR SAYING MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE OF GENERAL OBLIGATION SALES TAX REVENUE BONDS SERIES 2025 BE NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR THE GOOD NEWS ONCE AGAIN AND KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK IT IT'S EXCITING TO SEE THE RESPONSE THAT WE GET AS INVESTORS HEARING FROM INVESTORS HERE IN BLOOMINGTON AND IT'S ALSO EXCITING TO SEE THE NEXT STEPS GOING FORWARD AND IN OUR COMMUNITY HEALTH AND WELLNESS CENTER SO WELL THEN THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS ON A REALLY GOOD SALE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM 4.2 WHICH IS OUR ONLY PUBLIC HEARING OF THE EVENING. THIS IS REGARDING ORDINANCES AMENDING CHAPTER 20. CENTERPOINT ENERGY AND XCEL ENERGY FRANCHISE FEES MISS ECONOMY SCHOLER WILL STAY WITH US. JULIE LONG OUR CITY ENGINEER AND BOB SIMONS, OUR SENIOR CIVIL ENGINEER WILL BE TALKING US THROUGH THIS ONE. GOOD EVENING ALL WELCOME. GOOD EVENING. COULD WE GET TO THE PRESENTATION PLEASE ? ALL ALL RIGHT. WELL GOOD EVENING. MAYOR AND COUNCIL WILL BE WORKING BACKWARDS ON THIS LIST THAT YOU SEE HERE. I'LL START AND THEN KICK IT OVER TO JULIE AND THEN OVER TO LAURIE TO TO FINISH IT UP. BUT AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR OUR FRANCHISE FEE UPDATE WE COME BACK TYPICALLY OR LATELY HAVE BEEN COMING BACK EVERY TWO YEARS FOR AN UPDATE AND FRANCHISE FEE UPDATE. SO HERE WE ARE TONIGHT A LITTLE BIT OF A TIMELINE OF WHERE WE'VE BEEN ON THIS GO AROUND BACK IN MARCH WE MET WITH COUNCIL TO GIVE AN IDEA OF WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT FOR THE FRANCHISE FEE UPDATE FOR 28 FOR THE THIS UPCOMING YEAR 2026 AND WE OPEN UP THE LET'S TALK BLOOMINGTON PAGE IN MARCH AND HAD HELD THE PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE IN APRIL CAME BACK TO COUNCIL AT A STUDY SESSION TO GATHER SOME MORE INFORMATION GIVE SOME MORE INFORMATION ANSWER SOME MORE QUESTIONS. WE INITIALLY INTENDED ON GOING TO HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING BE IN MAY BUT THAT WAS POSTPONED TO NOW TO GIVE SOME GET SOME MORE GIVE SOME MORE INFORMATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL BEFORE WE CAME BACK TO THIS PUBLIC HEARING HERE TONIGHT. WHICHEVER WE DO, WHICHEVER WAY WE DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD HERE TONIGHT, IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FRANCHISE FEE INCREASE FOR 2026, THE RATES WOULD GO INTO EFFECT ON JANUARY 1ST. NOW A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON FRANCHISE FEES AND HOW AND WHEN THEY WERE IMPLEMENTED. FIRST OF ALL, FRANCHISE FEES ARE USED BY MANY CITIES IN MINNESOTA THERE'S OVER 100 CITIES THAT UTILIZE FRANCHISE FEES 61 OF THOSE IN THE SEVEN COUNTY METRO AREA AND 24 OF THOSE WITHIN HENNEPIN COUNTY ITSELF. WE THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE USE OF FRANCHISE FEES BACK IN 2015. SO THAT'S WHEN I WAS FIRST ESTABLISHED INITIALLY ESTABLISHED TO TAKE SOME PRESSURE OFF THE TAX LEVY AND HELP TO GET A SUSTAINABLE FUNDING SOURCE TO FUND SOME OF OUR PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM MAINTENANCE TECHNIQUES . SO YOU SEE HERE THAT A LITTLE BIT OF THAT HISTORY BACK IN DECEMBER CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE USE OF FRANCHISE FEES AND THOSE BEGAN WE BEGAN COLLECTING THOSE IN APRIL OF 2016 FROM 2016 TO THE PRESENT WE'VE BEEN USING THOSE 4 MILLION OVERLAYS SEAL COURTS, PUMP TRAIL CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE RATE WEIGHT TRAIL AT CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE AND ALSO WE ADDED IN MAY OF 2023 WHEN WE DID OUR ONE OF OUR UPDATES WE ALSO ADDED SOME CAP MULTIMODAL PROJECTS AND SIDEWALK AND ADA IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL. INITIALLY WE PLAN ON COMING BACK IN 2021 WITH AN UPDATE BUT IN THE SUMMER OF 2020 DUE TO COVID 19 MANAGEMENT MADE THE DECISION TO PUSH THAT OFF A YEAR. SO WE CAME BACK AND IN JULY OF 2021 FOR AN UPDATE AND THEN SINCE HAVE BEEN COMING BACK EVERY TWO YEARS WE CAME BACK IN MAY OF 2023 AS WELL AND NOW WE'RE HERE BACK AGAIN IN JULY OF 2025. HERE IS A BREAKDOWN OF SOME OF OUR PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM MAINTENANCE TECHNIQUES AND WHICH OF THOSE UTILIZE FRANCHISE FRANCHISE FEES AND WHICH ONES DO NOT. AS YOU CAN SEE STREET RECONSTRUCTION DOES NOT UTILIZE FRANCHISE FEES BUT 3 MILLION OVERLAYS SEE COURTS, TRAILS, PARKS AND RIGHT AWAY CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE AND SIDEWALKS ALL UTILIZE FRANCHISE FEES AS WELL AS SOME OTHER SOME OTHER FUNDING SOURCES AS WELL. SINCE 2016 WE'VE RECORDED ABOUT JUST OVER 200 MILES OF SEGMENTS. I'M USING FRANCHISE FEE DOLLARS. WE HAVE MILLION OVERLAID JUST AROUND 75 MILES OF STREET SEGMENTS SINCE 2016 IN REGARDS TO RIGHT AWAY TRAILS AND PARK TRAILS YOU CAN SEE IN THE BLUE THE RIGHT OF WAY TRAILS AND SIDEWALKS THAT WE'VE COMPLETED SINCE 2016. WE'VE COMPLETED ABOUT NINE MILES OF RIGHT AWAY TRAILS AND ABOUT THREE MILES OF PARK TRAILS SINCE 2016 AND I'LL SHOW IN AN UPCOMING SLIDE WHAT WE PLAN FOR FOR THE FUTURE AND A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ON OUR STATUS AND CONDITION IN REGARDS TO OUR STREETS ARE 340 PLUS MILES OF STREETS AS YOU ALL KNOW WE HAVE A PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX VALUE, A HIGH VALUE FOR ALL THE STREETS AND YOU CAN SEE HERE OUR DIFFERENT RANGES WE'RE DOING QUITE WELL THE 0 TO 36 RANGE BEING THE PROBLEM RANGE WE HAVE JUST AROUND FOUR MILES IN THAT RANGE CURRENTLY AND THEN WE MOVE INTO THE MODERATE AND ADEQUATE RANGES FROM THERE. I WILL NOTE EARLIER THIS YEAR WE TOOK A CLOSER LOOK AT OUR PUMP PROGRAM IN GENERAL BUT OUR MILL AND OVERLAY PROGRAM WHICH UTILIZES FRANCHISE FEES TOOK A LOOK AT THE FUNDING, TOOK A LOOK AT THE MILEAGE THAT'S NEEDED IN THE COMING YEARS WE'RE GOING TO BE REDUCING BY ONE MILE AS PART OF THE PROGRAM IN 2026 AND WE TOOK A LITTLE CLOSER LOOK AT THE FRANCHISE FEE DOLLARS AND WE WERE ABLE TO REALLOCATE 2 TO $300,000 PER YEAR TO TO USE FOR OTHER OTHER ITEMS SUCH AS SUSTAINABILITY OR RETAINING WALLS LIKE WE'LL BE DISCUSSING HERE IN A MINUTE. BUT WE TOOK A CLOSER LOOK EARLIER THIS YEAR OUT AT THAT PROGRAM IN REGARDS TO OUR SIDEWALKS WE HAVE JUST UNDER 250 MILES OF SIDEWALKS IN THE CITY, 75 OR SO MILES OF THOSE THAT WE CONSIDER TO BE INEFFICIENT WITH UNDER OUR STANDARD FIVE FEET WITH WHEN WE COME THROUGH WITH OUR PMP OVERLAY RECONSTRUCTION PROJECTS AND ANY OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS WE REPLACE SIDEWALKS THAT AREN'T IN GOOD CONDITION AT THAT TIME. THOSE 250 MILES ARE GENERALLY IN GOOD SHAPE AS AN EXAMPLE OR IN 2024 WE REPLACED ABOUT 10,000FT OF SIDEWALK WITH OUR DIFFERENT INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS. WE INSTALLED ABOUT 40 400FT OF NEW SIDEWALKS AND WE REPLACED THAT 150 TO 200 PED RAMPS WHICH IS TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO ANNUALLY. AND THEN IN REGARDS TO OUR ASPHALT TRAILS WE HAVE JUST UNDER 50 MILES OF ASPHALT TRAILS 32 MILES AND RIGHT AWAY 15 MILES IN PARKS SIMILAR PCI RANGES THAT WE WOULD HAVE FOR AN ASPHALT STREET. WE HAD ABOUT TEN MILES IN THE 0 TO 36 RANGE WHEN WE STARTED UTILIZING FRANCHISE FEES BACK IN 2016. NOW WE HAVE THAT FOUR AND A HALF MILES REMAINING AND ALL OF THAT IS NORMANDALE BOULEVARD AND OLD SHAKOPEE ROAD WHICH IS ON OUR LIST IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS TO BE COMPLETING PMP LIFE CYCLE. AS YOU KNOW WE LOVE TO SHOW THIS ANY TIME WE BRING UP PMP BUT WE IMPLEMENTED TRAILS BACK IN 2016 WITH A SIMILAR IDEA AS WE HAVE FOR ROADS WE CRACKED CRACK AND FOG SEAL THEM TYPICALLY EVERY FIVE YEARS TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF THOSE PAVEMENTS. THIS THIS JUST SHOWS YOU THOUGH THOSE 75 MILES THAT I MENTIONED ARE INEFFICIENT WITH UNDER FIVE FEET IN WIDTH OF OUR SIDEWALKS AND WE REPLACE THOSE AS WE COME THROUGH WITH OUR PMP PROJECTS AND OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS AS WELL AND ALSO FILL SIDEWALK GAPS SINCE WE'RE UTILIZING THE USE THE USE OF THESE FRANCHISE FEE DOLLARS TO DO THAT AS WELL WITH OUR DIFFERENT PROJECTS IN REGARDS TO ADA COMPLIANCE WE HAVE JUST UNDER 5000 PEDESTRIAN RAMPS IN THE CITY. WE COMPLETED OUR INVENTORY BACK IN 2022. JUST OVER HALF OF THOSE WERE SHOWN TO BE COMPLIANT WITH THE MAJORITY OF THEM THAT WORK WAS JUST MINOR DEFECTS SO WE REPLACED AROUND 200 OF THEM EVERY YEAR AS WE COME THROUGH WITH OUR PROJECTS. ANOTHER ITEM THAT WE DO WITH OUR PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM WHEN WE COME THROUGH WITH OUR SCOPING MEETING EVERY YEAR WE LOOK FOR AREAS WHERE WE CAN FILL SIDEWALK GAPS OR FILL TRAIL GAPS. ONE EXAMPLE HERE IN OUR 2025 PROJECT HERE THIS SUMMER WILL BE FILLING IN A GAP ON THE NORTH SIDE OF RIGHT STATE PARK ADJACENT TO 84TH STREET BETWEEN OLD CEDAR AND 17TH AVENUE. HERE IS THAT FUTURE TRAIL AND SIDEWALKS SIDEWALKS MAP. THIS SHOWS OUR UPCOMING PMP PROJECT ITEMS. IT SHOWS SOME CP MULTIAGENCY ITEMS PARK MASTER PLAN ITEMS FOR 94 THINGS OF THAT SORT A FEW OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE UPCOMING IN THE NEAR FUTURE YOU CAN SEE ARE CIRCLED IN BLUE WE HAVE NORMANDALE BOULEVARD TRAILS ON BOTH SIDES THAT WE'LL BE DOING HERE IN 2026 NICOLLET AVENUE PART OF NICOLLET AVENUE RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT WITH HENNEPIN COUNTY. WE'LL BE DOING THAT HERE IN 2027 AND 2028. IN REGARDS TO PARKS, WE'RE JUST JUST FINISHING AT BRYANT PARK AND WE DID SOME ARMED TRAILS ADJACENT TO TRAP PARK AS WELL AND THEN MOIA AND CENTRAL PARK ARE COMING UP NEXT YEAR WITH THE NINE MILE CORRIDOR PROJECT. JUST A FEW EXAMPLES OF THE UPCOMING AND FUTURE TRAIL AND SIDEWALK WORK SO I HAVE THE NEW CATEGORIES OF A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PROPOSALS WE HAVE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THE FIRST ONE IS RETAINING WALLS. WE HAVE OVER 527 RETAINING WALLS AND THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND CURRENTLY THOSE THE REPLACEMENT AND REPAIR OF THOSE IS FUNDED BY THE GENERAL FUND OR BY CARRYOVERS FROM ONE YEAR INTO ANOTHER BUDGET YEAR. AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS TO SUPPLEMENT THOSE FUNDS WITH FRANCHISE FEES ON THIS MAP YOU CAN SEE THE BLUE BOXES THEY SHOW SOME OF OUR LARGER WALL PROJECTS THAT ARE UPCOMING ON 90TH WEST BUSH LAKE ROAD AND THEN AS BOB MENTIONED, THE NORMANDY BOULEVARD PROJECT RETAINING WALLS ARE HARDER TO JUDGE. HERE'S SOME PICTURES OF RETAINING WALL FAILURES. I WILL HIGHLIGHT THAT ONE OF THE 90TH STREET WALLS THAT FELL OVER LOOKED BEAUTIFUL ON THE OUTSIDE BUT SOME OF THE TIMBER TIEBACKS HAD ROTTED. SO IT IT'S SOMETIMES CHALLENGING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE THE SCOPE OF OUR NEED IS TRANSITIONING OVER INTO SUSTAINABILITY. THIS IS THE A PAGE FROM THE BLOOMINGTON ENERGY ACTION PLAN WE HAD SET AGGRESSIVE GOALS IN 2018 FOR A 95% REDUCTION IN CITYWIDE ELECTRICITY GENERATED GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS AND 35% REDUCTION IN NATURAL GAS EMISSIONS BY 2035. WITH OUR ULTIMATE GOAL OF CLIMATE NEUTRALITY BY 2050, IT'S A PHASED PLAN IN ONE OF THE NEXT STEPS AFTER 2020. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PAGE IN THE DOCUMENT IS TO ESTABLISH A FINANCING PROGRAM FOR GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSION REDUCING HOME IMPROVEMENTS. WHY WOULD WE WANT TO DO THAT? IN CASE YOU'RE WONDERING, THERE ARE COMMUNITY BENEFITS OF SAVING ENERGY. ONE IT PROVIDES LESS POLLUTION AND BETTER AIR QUALITY AS WE'RE ALL SEEING RIGHT NOW FOR A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT REASON BUT IT CAN HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. THERE'S ALSO LESS PRESSURE ON THE ENERGY GRID IF EVERYONE'S HOUSE IS PROPERLY INSULATED. SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE POWER OUTAGES OR NEED TO BUILD NEW POWER PLANTS DURING HEAT WAVES OR OTHER EXTREME TEMPERATURE EVENTS AND ALSO IT ALLOWS PROPERTY OWNERS TO REINVEST THE MONEY THAT THEY SAVE ON THEIR ENERGY BILLS INTO THE LOCAL ECONOMY. BLOOMINGTON HRA HAS PARTNERED WITH THE HOME ENERGY SQUAD PROGRAM SINCE 2013 WITH BUY DOWNS AND WE'VE HAD GREAT PARTICIPATION AND WE ALSO HAVE HAD REALLY POSITIVE FEEDBACK ON THE TIME OF SALE ENERGY DISCLOSURE PROGRAM. BUT THE ONE THE FEEDBACK THAT WE CONSISTENTLY GET FROM THE RECIPIENTS OF THOSE REPORTS IS THIS IS GREAT BUT NOW I HAVE A REALLY EXPENSIVE INVESTMENT INTO MY HOME THAT I NEED TO MAKE WHETHER IT'S ENERGY APPLIANCES OR INSULATION. SO WE'RE LOOKING TO HELP MITIGATE THAT. THERE ARE A VARIETY THERE ARE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT ENERGY UPGRADES THATAN BE INCLUDED AND THERE'S THIS SLIDE SHOWS SOME BUT STAFF LOOKED AT TWO THAT WOULD HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT AND MEETING OUR GOALS OF CLIMATE OR WHERE ATTIC INSULATION AND WALL INSULATION AND I'LL TAKE ABOUT 110 YEARS TO PROPERLY INSULATE ALL OF THE ATTICS IN BLOOMINGTON AT THE CURRENT RATE AND IT'LL TAKE OVER 300 YEARS AT THE CURRENT RATE TO GET ALL THOSE ENERGY UPGRADES MADE DIVING A LITTLE DEEPER INTO THE ATTIC INSULATION EXAMPLE THERE ARE 11,000 HOUSES IN BLOOMINGTON THAT DON'T MEET TODAY'S CURRENT STANDARDS FOR INSULATION SINCE IT'S 25 YEARS TO OUR CLIMATE NEUTRALITY GOAL IN 2050 THAT MEANS WE HAVE ABOUT AN AVERAGE NEED OF 440 HOUSES TO GET ATTIC INSULATE AND THE PRICE RANGES FROM 2500 TO $6000. SO USING THAT $6,000 NUMBER WE'D NEED ABOUT $2.64 MILLION EACH YEAR TO ACHIEVE THAT GOAL . SIMILARLY WHILE INSULATION IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY LESS IT'S 42,000 HOMES BUT THAT TRANSLATES TO $1 MILLION OF FUNDING NEEDED FOR EACH YEAR. WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE VARIOUS COMMUNITIES IN THE METRO AND MINNESOTA GREATER MINNESOTA YOU CANEE A LOT OF DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES USE THE DISCOUNTED HOME ENERGY SQUAD VISITS LIKE BLOOMINGTON DOES BUT SEVERAL OTHERS HAVE HOME IMPROVEMENT LOANS THAT CAN INCLUDE ENERGY UPGRADES AND THEN SOME HAVE ENERGY OR CLIMATE GRANTS AND COST SHARE AND REBATE PROGRAMS . IN TALKING WITH SOME OF THOSE OTHER COMMUNITIES IN CHINA SHARED THAT FOR JUST UNDER $100,000 OF PUBLIC INVESTMENT THEY'VE SEEN ALMOST $1 MILLION OF PRIVATE INVESTMENT AND THEN SAINT LOUIS PARK HAS DONE A SURVEY OF THEIR CLIMATE CHAMPIONS AND 77% OF THE RESPONDENTS SAID BUT FOR THE CITY PROGRAM MOTIVATED THEM TO COMPLETE AN ENERGY EFFICIENCY PROJECT. SHOULD THIS BE A ROUTE THAT WE WANT TO GO FORWARD? WE CHECKED WITH BOTH THE CENTER FOR ENERGY AND ENVIRONMENT WHO PARTNERS WITH MANY MINNESOTA CITIES TO IMPLEMENT THESE PROGRAMS. WE ALSO CHECKED WITH THE HRA BECAUSE AS YOU ARE AWARE THEY HAVE THEIR OWN LOAN PROGRAM AND THEY THOUGHT THIS PROPOSED LOAN PROGRAM WOULD MARRY WELL WITH THEIR EXISTING OFFERINGS AND THAT THEY HAD CAPACITY TO IMPLEMENT IT AND HELP US WITH IT SHOULD WE COUNCIL MOVE FORWARD IF FRANCHISE FEES ARE APPROVED WE WOULD DO FURTHER COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT OR RACIAL EQUITY IMPACT ASSESSMENT AND THEN COME BACK WITH THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE OF THE PROGRAM INCLUDING INCOME ELIGIBILITY TERMS OF LOAN OR REBATE PROGRAM ADMINISTRATION AND ELIGIBLE USES. THIS IS RIGHT NOW IS JUST A CONCEPT OF AN IDEA TO SHOW THE NEED FOR THE FRANCHISE FEE MOVING FORWARD TO MEET THOSE CLIMATE ACTION GOALS ON THE HORIZON. WE ARE ALSO UNDERTAKING THE URBAN FOREST MASTER PLAN AND THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. I SUSPECT BOTH OF THOSE WILL HAVE ADDITIONAL FUNDING REQUESTS SO EVEN IF COUNCIL DIDN'T WANT TO PARTICIPATE WITH THE INSULATION PROGRAM THERE ARE OTHER FUNDS THAT WOULD PROBABLY COULD BE SPENT IN THE SUSTAINABILITY ARENA. WELL THE LAST TIME WE SPOKE WITH COUNCIL YOU ASKED US TO REACH OUT TO OUR TWO PROVIDERS XCEL AND CENTERPOINT ENERGY ABOUT CONSIDERING NOT PASSING ALONG THE FRANCHISE FEES TO THE DIRECT CUSTOMERS. I DON'T THINK THIS WILL BE A SURPRISE TO YOU BUT THEY DID CONFIRM THAT THEY WOULD FOLLOW WHAT THE PC, THE PUC ALLOWS AND A CITY FRANCHISE FEE WOULD BE PASSED DIRECTLY ON TO CUSTOMERS OF THE CITY AS A LINE ITEM ON THE BILL THEY DID. XCEL DID REMIND US THAT WITH THE PARTNERS AND ENERGY PROGRAM AND THE CITY IS A MEMBER OF THAT THAT THEY ARE ADVOCATING FOR IMPROVEMENTS AND REDUCTION OF USE BUT AT THIS TIME THEY WERE NOT WILLING TO NOT PASS IT ALONG TO CUSTOMERS PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. WE HAD AN OPEN HOUSE ON APRIL 17TH IN THE REHEARSAL HALL. WE'VE ALSO HAD A FRANCHISE FEE WEBSITE. WE'VE DONE SOME E SUBSCRIBES AND SOME SOCIAL MEDIA AS WELL. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE ASKED ON PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT IS IF COUNCIL APPROVED AN INCREASE IN FRANCHISE FEES HOW SHOULD THOSE FUNDS BE USED? AS OF JULY 7TH WE HAD 44 RESPONSES AS YOU CAN YOU CAN SEE THE ADDITIONAL TRAILS AND SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS WAS THE TOP VOTE GETTER BUT THE NEXT TWO HIGHEST VOTES WERE RETAINING WHILE IMPROVEMENTS IN FINANCING HOME ENERGY PROJECTS TO LOWER UTILITY BILLS MAYOR COUNCIL MY TURN ON THE NUMBERS AS WE MET WITH THE COUNCIL SEVERAL TIMES BETWEEN MARCH AND OUR LAST MEETING IN JUNE THE COUNCIL WANTED TO SPRING FORWARD THREE OPTIONS THE FIRST OPTION IS ADDING ONLY RETAINING WALLS AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE FIRST COLUMN CURRENTLY FOR RESIDENTIAL WE ARE AT $5.95 PER MONTH ON PER UTILITY WE ARE LOOKING FOR IF WE DID $200,000 PER YEAR FOR RETAINING WALLS WE WOULD NEED TO ADD $0.23 PER UTILITY BILL. SO THAT WOULD BRING US UP TO $6.18 AND THAT'S APPROXIMATELY A 4% INCREASE IF WE DID OPTION TWO WHICH WAS $1 MILLION FOR SUSTAINABILITY AND RETAINING WALLS WE WOULD NEED AGAIN STARTING AT THE $5.95 PER MONTH PER UTILITY ADDING $0.70 PER MONTH FOR THAT MILLION DOLLARS FOR SUSTAINABILITY AND THE $0.23 FOR RETAINING WALLS. SO THEN WE WOULD GET UP TO $6.88 WHICH IS A 16% WHEN YOU ADD ALL OF THOSE TOGETHER INCREASE FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AND THEN THE THIRD OPTION WAS NO ADDITIONAL CHANGES AND WE CONTINUE TO KEEP THE FRANCHISE FEES AT THE CURRENT RATE THAT IT'S AT AT $5.95 AND WE STAND BEFORE YOU FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ON THE PRESENTATION YOU'VE SEEN MOST OF THIS AND I KNOW WE HAVE A NEW AUDIENCE ON ONLINE TONIGHT SO WE WOULD JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE WERE VERY THOROUGH IN GOING THROUGH EVERYTHING FOR YOU. I APPRECIATE THE THOROUGHNESS OF YOUR PRESENTATION COUNSEL ANY QUESTIONS ON WHAT WE JUST HEARD AS A PRESENTATION? >> COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. BOB, YOU MENTIONED THE THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF OF REVIEWING THE PMP FIND 2 TO 300 K IN SAVINGS WHICH I TOTALLY APPRECIATE I APPRECIATE SO MUCH THE WORK YOU GUYS HAVE DONE ON THAT FRONT I KNOW HAVE BEEN PUSHING ON IT FOR A WHILE AND SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR DILIGENCE AND EVERYTHING. WHERE IS THAT REFLECTED IN THE NUMBERS THAT WE JUST SAW? MAYOR AND COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO BY KEEPING IT AT THE 5.95 WITH NO INCREASE WE WOULD NOT BE ASKING FOR INCREASE AND SO WE WOULD JUST ABSORB WHATEVER'S COMING IN WE WOULD PUT TO THE PAY AS WE GO PROGRAMS AND THEN SAVE THE REST IN THE TRAIL PROGRAMS FOR WHAT'S COMING OUT AT THE $5.95. >> OKAY. SO LET ME ASK IT A DIFFERENT WAY IF IF WE IF WE ARE ARE YOU SAYING THAT THAT 2 TO 3 K COULDN'T BE PUT TOWARDS THE RETAINING WALL THE $200,000 FOR RETAINING WALLS THAT IS EVIDENCED IN OPTION ONE. >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER WAS THERE WAS A SCHEDULED INCREASED TO COVERS FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS WITH THE SCHEDULED INCREASES IN JUSTICE WITH THE CHANGE IN WHAT THEY NEED WE CAN CONTINUE ON FOR ANOTHER YEAR AT THE 595 WITHOUT RAISING THE RATE TO COVER WHAT WE'RE EXISTING IN DOING SO WE DID NEED TO INCREASE THE RATE FOR ONE YEAR FOR THE REDUCTION THAT WAS PROVIDED. >> OKAY. SO I UNDERSTAND SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE THAT WE'RE WE'RE PROPOSING RAISING THE RATES TO ADD ADDITIONAL CAPACITY TO DO MORE WORK? IF WE DIDN'T DO THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HOLD THEM STEADY FOR ANOTHER YEAR. ONE YEAR? YOU UNDERSTOOD? OKAY. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE COUNCILMEMBER LOHMANN AND I JUST FROM READING TO THE PACKAGE I WANT TO BE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE WITH THE HOME LOAN PROGRAM THE ISSUE THAT WE RAN INTO WITH THAT WAS THAT THE INCOME REQUIREMENTS SO IF WE DO THIS NEW PROGRAM IT WOULD ALLOW FOR MORE PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT INCOME LEVELS TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT AS OPPOSED TO WHERE IT IS TODAY. YOU CAN USE IT FOR SOME OF THESE THINGS ON THE FOR ATTIC STUFF BUT IT'S JUST THAT WOULD PRECLUDE PEOPLE AT A HIGHER INCOME MR. MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER LOHMANN THAT IS CORRECT. IT WOULD OPEN UP THE PROGRAM TO MORE PEOPLE AND THE QUESTIONS COUNCIL SO MR. SALMONS, I THINK YOU MENTIONED THE WORK ON NORMANDY ISLAND OR SHAKOPEE ROAD TO ADD NEW SIDEWALKS TRAILS, WHATEVER IT IS. WILL THOSE BE AT THE FIVE FOOT WIDTH THAT WE AS IDEAL YEAH ACTUALLY NORMANDY BOULEVARD AND I'M SURE YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE AND RIGHT NOW IT'S ABOUT THREE FEET SOME OF IT IS NOT SO BAD BUT IT WILL BE A TEN FOOT MULTI-USE TRAIL ON THE WEST SIDE AND A SIX FOOT CONCRETE SIDEWALK ON THE EAST SIDE OF NORMAN NORMANDY AND THEN AN OLD TRACK B ROAD. THAT PROJECT WOULD STRETCH FROM I BELIEVE IT'S NESBITT AVENUE TO THE WEST OVER TO BLOOMINGTON FERRY ROAD AND THAT WILL BE A TEN FOOT MULTI-USE TRAIL ON THE NORTH SIDE AS WELL BECAUSE THERE IS EXISTING TRAIL SIDEWALK COMBINATION UP THERE RIGHT NOW. SO YES, IT'LL MEET ALL OF THE OUR EXISTING STANDARDS AND I'M TRYING TO PICTURE THAT SECTION IN MY MIND ARE WE GOING THROUGH ANYONE'S FRONT YARD THERE OR IS THAT ALL JUST THE INDUSTRIAL AND UM MAYOR IS THAT YOU'RE TALKING AN OLD SHUCK AND ROLL JOCKO THE MAJORITY OF THAT IS INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY AND THE PART OF THE PERMANENT FEW APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT ARE ALONG THERE AS WELL. SO REALLY NOT AS MUCH OF YOUR DRIVEWAY IMPACTS ON THE OLD SHACK ROAD STRETCH OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILMEMBER NELSON? NOT REALLY A QUESTION. I THINK THERE'S LIKE TWO BACKYARDS BUT THERE IS A BUT I THINK IT'S EAST OF NESBITT. THERE IS A SMALL TOWNHOME COMPLEX WHERE THERE'S A PARKING LOT DRIVEWAY BUT I THINK THAT'S HE SAID NESBITT WESTON NESBITT IS JUST BACKYARDS AS A CIRCLE AND A COUPLE BACKYARDS. OKAY COUNSEL, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS YEAH. I MEAN HOW MUCH HAVE YOU PROJECTED TO COLLECT FROM THE INCREASE TO MAKE REPAIRS ON THE RETAINING WALLS? MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER RIVAS WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING IS THAT IF WE RAISE THE RATES IT WOULD BE THE 200,000 A YEAR 200,000 FOR THE $0.23. AND IF I MAY ASK HOW MANY RETAINING WALLS WILL BE FIXED WITH THAT AMOUNT OF FUNDS THAT ARE IN NEED OF REPAIRS? MAYOR AND COUNCILMAN RIVAS, IN REGARDS TO THE RETAINING WALLS WE HAVE OTHER FUNDING SOURCES THAT WE USE AS WELL. FOR EXAMPLE IF IT'S ON A STATE AID ROUTE LIKE 90 YEAR STREET THAT WAS SHOWN ON THE MAP, WE USE STATE DOLLARS FOR THAT AS WELL. SO THAT EXTRA $200,000 WILL REALLY HELP TO SUPPLEMENT THE WORK THAT WILL BE OCCURRING IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS. SO AS AN EXAMPLE, THE 90TH STREET WALL THAT WE DID BACK IN 2023 THAT FELL DOWN THAT WAS ABOUT A $250,000 PROJECT THE 90 STREET WALL THAT WE'RE DOING NOW THIS COMING YEAR THAT WE JUST WERE RECEIVING BIDS FOR HERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE THAT'S OVER $1 MILLION FOR THAT WALL SO THAT AND THEN AS WELL AS WEST BUSH LAKE ROAD IN NORMAN BOULEVARD THAT ARE COMING UP, THIS $200,000 WILL REALLY HELP US TO SUPPLEMENT THE YEAR TO YEAR COSTS FOR THOSE RETAINING WALLS AS WELL AS THE STATE AID DOLLARS THAT WE'D BE USING FOR THOSE IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. YEAH. THANK YOU. OKAY COUNSEL, IF THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS I'M GOING TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING RIGHT NOW. I DON'T SEE ANY HANDS GOING UP SO I'M AN OPEN TO PUBLIC HEARING SO DON'T GO TOO FAR. I MAY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AN ITEM 4.2 THIS IS ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 20 THE CENTERPOINT ENERGY AND XCEL ENERGY FRANCHISE FEES AND IF THERE'S ANYONE IN THE COUNCIL AMBERS WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IF YOU WANTED TO COME FORWARD NOW AND THEN WHAT I WILL POINT OUT TO YOU THANKS FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. WHAT I WILL POINT OUT TO YOU ARE WE LIMIT ALL SPEAKERS TO FIVE MINUTES AND WE'VE GOT THE CLOCK ON THE WALL TO TO KEEP TRACK OF YOU AND AS YOU AS YOU COME FORWARD IF YOU COULD JUST ANNOUNCE YOUR NAME PLEASE. SO WE HAVE IT FOR THE RECORD. YOU CAN SIGN IN WHEN YOU'RE DONE AND WHAT WAS MY OTHER POINT? OH, AND IF YOU ASK QUESTIONS WE'LL ANSWER WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING AS OPPOSED TO TRY AND MAKE IT UP ON THE FLY HERE. OKAY. SO I'M ON THESE FRANCHISE FEES. FIRST OF ALL, UNDER STATE LAW THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE A FLAT RATE PER METER. THEY CAN BE BASED ON USAGE. THE OTHER THING IS IT'S STARTING TO FEEL LIKE THE CITY IS VIEWING THESE FRANCHISE FEES AS A MONETARY I'M NOT OPPOSED TO ROAD ROAD REPAIR. I'M NOT NOT OPPOSED TO REPAIRING RETAINING WALLS BUT THE FRANCHISE FEE HAS GONE UP QUITE A BIT AND IT'S GETTING TO BE QUITE A HUGE PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE'S BILLS BEFORE TAXES AND FEES ARE ADDED TO EACH OF TO MY ELECTRIC BILL IT'S SLIGHTLY OVER 20% ON AVERAGE WITH HEATING AND MINNESOTA IT'S NOT QUITE AS HIGH PERCENT BUT THIS IS RIGHT NOW IT'S $6 PER MONTH TIMES 12 MONTHS TIMES TWO METERS YOUR GAS IN YOUR ELECTRIC THAT'S $144. IF YOU LOOK AT HOW MUCH OF YOUR PROPERTY TAXES PAID GOES TO THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON AND YOU LOOK AT THE MEDIAN HOME IN BLOOMINGTON AND HOW MUCH THEY PAY, IT'S ROUGHLY BETWEEN 1100 AND 1500. SO WE'RE TALKING 10 TO 15% OF BLOOMINGTON PROPERTY TAXES IS ARE BEING OR THIS FRANCHISE FEE AMOUNTS TO THAT 10 TO 15%. IT'S GETTING TO BE A HUGE AMOUNT AND IF BLOOMINGTON NEEDS THAT AMOUNT THAT IT SHOULD BE DONE AS A PROPERTY TAX LEVY. I KNOW YOU'RE TRYING TO GET AROUND CERTAIN RULES ABOUT ROADS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF WITH THIS FRANCHISE FEE BUT YOU NEED TO THINK A LITTLE BIT HARDER ABOUT RAISING THE PROPERTY TAX LEVY. I KNOW ONE COUNCIL PERSON HAS SAID IN SEVERAL MEETINGS THAT YOU KNOW, EXCEL IN CENTERPOINT DON'T HAVE TO PASS THIS ON TO CUSTOMERS BUT WHAT BUSINESS IS GOING TO DO BUSINESS IN MINNESOTA IF THEY'RE CHARGED $6 A MONTH OR IN BLOOMINGTON PER CUSTOMER TO DO BUSINESS? YOU KNOW WHAT HOW MUCH THEY CAN CHARGE IS DETERMINED BY THE UTILITY COMMISSION OF MINNESOTA AND THEY DO A PRETTY DARN GOOD JOB IN GENERAL AND THEY JUST CAN'T SAY YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PASS THIS ON. WE NEED TO RAISE OUR FEES. YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND CORPORATION AS I UNDERSTAND YOU KNOW, US MAYBE THEY MAKE A LITTLE MORE PROFIT THAN I'D LIKE BUT YOU CAN'T JUST KEEP USING THIS FRANCHISE FEE AS A MONETARY IT'S IT'S REALLY A BIG BURDEN. I THINK THE ONLY REASON WHY THERE ISN'T A BIGGER OUTCRY IS BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE DON'T LOOK AT ALL THE LINE ITEM THINGS ON THEIR UTILITY BILLS AND THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND BUT NOW RATHER THAN CALLING IT A FRANCHISE FEE THEY'RE CALLING IT SOMETHING LIKE THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON FEE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THEY'RE MAKING IT CLEAR THAT IT GETS PASSED ON BACK TO THE CITY. SO I THINK YOU REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT THIS. ALL OF THE PROPOSALS HAVE MERIT BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHERE THE MONEY CAN BE SPENT. YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE TOUGH DECISIONS TO MAKE. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE CITY RESIDENTS ARE ON BOARD WITH CONSTANTLY RAISING THESE FRANCHISE FEES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. DOES ANYONE ELSE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS WISHING TO SPEAK? >> THAT'S RIGHT. IS THERE ANYONE ON THE PHONE? MAYOR WE DO NOT HAVE ANYONE ON LINE. LAST CALL FOR ANYBODY IN THE CHAMBERS TO SPEAK COUNCIL NO ONE COMING FORWARD AND NO ONE ON THE PHONE. I WOULD LOOK FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 4.2 SO MOVED YES MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 4.2 NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING SO COUNCIL STAFF HAS LAID OUT THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR US BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS OR THE SUGGESTION THE REQUEST OF THE COUNCIL WHEN WE FIRST TALKED ABOUT THIS SIX EIGHT WEEKS AGO WHENEVER WE TALKED ABOUT THE LAST LOOKING FOR DISCUSSION ON THIS COUNCILMEMBER THANK YOU MAYOR YEAH I WOULD AGREE WITH THE THE THE RESIDENT WHO CAME AND SPOKE I SPECIFICALLY AT THIS POINT IN TIME NICKEL AND DIMES MATTER AND THE FACT THAT WE CAN FIND SAVINGS I THINK WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO FIND ADDITIONAL SAVINGS JUST WORK IS IMPORTANT. WE HAVE TO DO IT. I THINK WE CAN FIND DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO IT WITHOUT CONTINUE TO INCREASE THESE FRANCHISE BECAUSE WE KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO GO UP IN THE FUTURE AGAIN AND THIS JUST FEELS LIKE AN EASY PLACE TO GO. AND SO MY MY CHALLENGE TO OUR STAFF IS TO CONTINUE WORKING THROUGH HOW WE CAN FIND EFFICIENCIES IN OTHER PLACES TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THIS WORK. AND I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE. OPTION THREE COUNCILMEMBER COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN THANK YOU, MAYOR. YOU KNOW, AS I LOOK AT THIS MAYOR, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE LAST TIME I KNOW WE WE PROVIDED FOR A A KIND OF A HOLIDAY WHEN WE HAD THE COVID AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE LAST TIME WAS AND I WOULD LOOK TO STAFF TO TELL ME WHEN THE LAST TIME WE WHAT IT WAS THAT WE RAISED THIS AS A QUESTION AND STAFF TOLD ME WAS 2020 IS WHEN IT WAS IMPLEMENTED IN 2015 IS THAT CORRECT? IT WAS IMPLEMENTED IN 2015 WHICH IS START OF JANUARY 1ST OR 2020 2016. SO IT'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR NINE YEARS AND THE LAST TIME WE THE COUNCIL APPROVED AN INCREASE WAS TWO YEARS AGO, TWO YEARS AGO. SO WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE BACK ON TRACK BUT I KNOW THERE'S A COUPLE OF YEARS WHERE WE DIDN'T RAISE IT AT ALL BECAUSE OF COVID. IS THAT THAT CORRECT MAYOR AND COUNCIL THE FIRST RATE THAT WE PUT OUT THERE WAS A FIVE YEAR ESTIMATE SO THAT STAYED OUT THERE FOR ONE RATE FOR FIVE YEARS AND THEN WE WERE SCHEDULED TO INCREASE IT. WE PAUSED A YEAR AND THEN WE INCREASED IT IN 2021, 2023 AND NOW WE'RE AT 2025. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARITY. I JUST WANT TO BE IN MY MIND UNDERSTAND KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE FOR THAT THAT KIND OF THAT HISTORICAL PIECE. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, YOU KNOW, I FRANCHISE FEES YOU KNOW I'M NOT I'VE NEVER BEEN A REAL BIG SUPPORTER OF THAT BECAUSE OF WHAT IT MEANS FOR FOR THOSE FOR THOSE TAXPAYERS, YOU KNOW IN TERMS OF THE AGGRESSIVENESS OF IT, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY PROPERTY TAXES AND YOU KNOW I MEAN IT'S IT'S STILL REGRESSIVE BUT I DO THINK THAT AT LEAST A SUSTAINABLE PORTION OF IT WHICH I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF REALLY NEEDS TO BE DONE IN ANOTHER MANNER. I JUST DON'T THINK THIS I HAVE A REALLY DIFFICULT TIME TRYING TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION AND I THINK OUR TAXPAYERS WOULD HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME TRYING TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION BETWEEN THE SUSTAINABLE PIECE. AND THEN ALSO ON TOP OF THAT, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE IN THE PACKAGE IT SAID WE DID ADD ABOUT $2.6 MILLION A YEAR TO DO THAT AND THIS IS ONLY PROVIDING $1 MILLION A YEAR TO KIND OF GET THAT DONE. THIS DOESN'T KIND OF GET THAT DONE. SO IT'S A LOT OF RISK AND IT REALLY DOESN'T GET THE JOB DONE. SO I JUST THINK THAT IF THIS WAS SUPPLEMENTAL ON TOP OF THAT WE ALSO HAVE OTHER HOME LOANS OUT THERE. I JUST THINK THIS IS JUST NOT FULLY BAKED YET IN TERMS OF WHY THIS OR HOW THIS MAKES SENSE LEAST IN MY MIND FOR THIS. BUT I DO THINK THAT THE YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD TO TO TO INCREASE IT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE YOU KNOW LOOKING AT PLACING THE THE ADDITIONAL AMOUNT TO HELP OUT WITH THOSE YOU KNOW THE BARRIERS AND THAT TYPE OF THING I AM MORE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. SO I'D BE OKAY IF WE DID OPTION THREE TODAY AND DID A LITTLE MORE WORK AND TRIED TO GET OURSELVES MAYBE FOR NEXT SPRING AND BECAUSE I JUST DON'T I DON'T KNOW EVEN IF ONE WILL THINK ANY ONE RETAINING WALL REALLY WITH $200,000 SO I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS EVEN THE RIGHT AMOUNT. SO MAYBE THIS SPRING WE HAVE A BETTER NUMBER FOR THAT BUT I'M ALSO FINE WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH THE WITH OPTION ONE WHERE WE'D HAVE SOME OF THAT THE RETAINING WALL IN THERE TODAY AND GIVING A LITTLE BIT OF AN INCREASE AND NOT LETTING IT GO AS LONG BUT I THINK THAT ONE RETAINING WALL OR NO RETAINING WALL THERE DOESN'T SEEM LIKE ENOUGH MONEY REALLY TO KIND OF GET THE JOB DONE SO I COULD SEE WHY WE MIGHT WANT TO JUST ,YOU KNOW, DO A LITTLE MORE WORK. SO THANKS. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER COUNCILMEMBER NELSON THANKS, MAYOR. I WOULD ECHO THE IDEA THAT I DON'T SEE THE CONNECTION BETWEEN FRANCHISE FEES AND THE SUSTAINABILITY. I THINK SUSTAINABILITY IS IMPORTANT BUT I DON'T SEE THE CONNECTION HERE. I CAN SEE THE CONNECTION BETWEEN RETAINING WALLS THERE IN THE RIGHT AWAY. THAT'S WHERE ALL THESE OTHER PROJECTS ARE. I CAN SEE THAT CONNECTION BUT I ALSO AM MINDFUL THAT WE ALREADY HAVE RETAINING WALLS THE IN THE EXISTING GENERAL FUND AND IF WE NEED MORE MONEY IN THERE THAN I THINK WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT IT IN THERE INSTEAD OF TRNG TO CREATE DIFFERENT POTS OF MONEY OUTSIDE OF OBVIOUSLY STATE AID OR ANY OTHER SUPPORT WE CAN GET FROM PARTNERS ON THOSE PROJECTS. SO I WOULD I WOULD TEND TOWARDS OPTION THREE BUT AGAIN I CAN SEE AT LEAST THEORETICALLY THE CONNECTION TO THE RETAINING WALL PORTION AND I WOULD POINT OUT THAT THE REQUEST FROM STAFF IS A 4% INCREASE THAT'S OVER TWO YEARS SO LESS THAN 2% PER YEAR. I DON'T THINK THAT PART OF THE REQUEST IS YOU KNOW IT'S NOT A HUGE AMOUNT BUT I DO THINK TO COUNCILMEMBER AS POINT I MEAN EVERY DOLLAR COUNTS TODAY. THE OTHER THING I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY ON THE SUSTAINABILITY IS IT WOULD BOTHER ME BECAUSE PEOPLE OF LOW INCOME PAY FRANCHISE FEES AND THAT WOULD GO TO SUPPORT PEOPLE OF HIGHER INCOME BEING ABLE TO ADD ENERGY EFFICIENCY TO THEIR HOUSE. IT IT SEEMS VERY REGRESSIVE TO DO IT THROUGH A FRANCHISE FEE AS OPPOSED TO A PROPERTY TAX OR A LEVY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHICH IS STILL REGRESSIVE BUT NOT NEARLY AS MUCH SO SO YEAH I WOULD LEAN TOWARDS THREE AT THIS POINT WITH POSSIBLE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS AS WE GO THROUGH THE WHOLE BUDGET CYCLE ABOUT OUR NEEDS ON THESE RETAINING WALLS BECAUSE IT DOES SEEM LIKE A VERY LEGITIMATE CONCERN. I JUST FEEL BETTER FIT WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND AND COUNCILMEMBER YOU KNOW IT'S INTERESTING THE TWO OF YOU QUESTIONING THE SAME THINKING THAT THE THE THE RETAINING WALLS FIT BETTER THAN SUSTAINABILITY BECAUSE I, I HONESTLY HAVE AN EXACT OPPOSITE THOUGHT ON THIS. I MEAN I'VE NEVER BEEN A FAN OF THE FRANCHISE FEES TO BEGIN WITH. APPRECIATE IT WHEN WE FINALLY MADE THAT NEXUS IF WE IF WE PUT IT TOWARD ROADS AND OUR TRAILS AND SO ON BECAUSE THE UTILITIES ARE UNDER THE ROADS THEY TEAR UP THE ROADS AND SO TO BE ABLE TO TO REFURBISH THE ROADS AS NEEDED TO TO PUT THAT MONEY BACK INTO THE ROADS MADE SENSE TO ME AND FROM A JUST A IN THE WAY I'M MAKING THAT CONNECTION I DON'T SEE THE SAME THING WITH RETAINING WALLS I DO SEE IT IN ENERGY USAGE THOUGH THESE ARE TWO ENERGY COMPANIES AND TO BE ABLE TO YOU KNOW PUT THAT EXTRA FEE ON THEM TO HELP MITIGATE THE IMPACT OF BURNING NATURAL GAS OF PRODUCING ELECTRICITY SEEMS TO MAKE MORE SENSE. SO I WOULD SEE THAT AS A NEXUS EVEN MORE THAN THE RETAINING WALLS. THAT BEING SAID, I'M STILL NOT A FAN OF FRANCHISE FEES. I JUST I NEVER REALLY DID LIKE THEM. I THINK I VOTED AGAINST THEM THE FIRST COUPLE OF TIMES AND FINALLY VOTED FOR THEM LAST TIME JUST BECAUSE THERE WAS THAT CONNECTION TO THE ROADS AND BUT I, I GUESS I WOULD TEND TO AGREE I THINK WE COULD LOOK FOR DIFFERENT WAYS TO FUND OUR NEEDS FOR BOTH THE RETAINING WALLS AND FRANKLY OUR SUSTAINABILITY NEEDS AS WELL WHICH ARE ARE GROWING BY THE DAY RIGHT. COUNCILMEMBER CARTER THANK YOU MAYOR. I GUESS I WOULD JUST ADD THAT I, I AGREE WITH MOST OF WHAT'S BEEN SET UP HERE A I DEFINITELY SEE THE VALUE IN THE SUSTAINABILITY WORK. I JUST I GUESS A BIG PART OF ME AND I'VE TALKED WITH OUR CITY MANAGER ABOUT THIS IS WE ARE MAKING THE TRANSITION TO PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING AND I KIND OF FEEL LIKE THAT MIGHT IMPACT THE WAY WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS UP HERE AND A SUSTAINABILITY IS A TRUE PRIORITY FOR US AS A CITY AND I THINK THAT WE GOT TO WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE WANT TO FUND IT IF WE NEED TO INCREASE INVESTMENT AND THEN I WOULD I WOULD I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF PUTTING IN THE RETAINING WALLS INTO THE FRANCHISE FEE BUT I ALSO CAN COUNT NOSES AND SO I I'M NOT GOING TO LIKE FIGHT FOR IT. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ALSO PUT INTO THE BUDGET AS PART OF THE GENERAL FUND TAX LEVY IF IF THAT IS THE NEED. SO I AM CURIOUS THOUGH ABOUT A COMMENT MADE BY THE SPEAKER JUST ABOUT HOW FRANCHISE FEES CAN BE BASED ON USAGE AND I WASN'T I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT AND I THINK ABOUT THE WAY WE HAVE OUR WATER PROGRAM STRUCTURED WHERE HIRE USERS YOU KNOW PEOPLE IN THE HIGHER TIER PAY A LITTLE BIT MORE AND SO YOU KNOW MAYBE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WANT TO EXPLORE IN THE FUTURE. I THINK THAT WOULD MAYBE HELP WITH THE REGRESSIVE A LITTLE BIT BUT I DON'T KNOW MAYBE NOT . SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I'D BE INTERESTED IN LEARNING MORE ABOUT THIS ECONOMY SCHOLER GOOGLE MEMBER CARTER A NUMBER OF CITIES AROUND US ARE GOING TO A PERCENTAGE BASE SO THEN IT IS BASED OFF OF UTILIZATION VERSUS A FLAT RATE. SO IN ACCOUNTING KNOWS THIS SO SHOULD THE COUNCIL NOT IF COUNCIL GOES TO OPTION THREE WHERE WE HAVE NO INCREASE WE WOULD PROBABLY COME BACK NEXT SPRING AND BRING YOU A PERCENTAGE BASIS IF YOU. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON YEAH. THANK YOU MAYOR. I JUST WANT TO PICK UP ON ONE THING YOU SAID I WOULD ACTUALLY BE SUPPORTIVE OF REMOVING THE FRANCHISE FEES AND PUTTING THIS ALL BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND. SO IF WE REVIEW THIS NEXT YEAR I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AS AN OPTION IF THERE'S ENOUGH NOSES TO DO THAT WITH THE CONVERSATION. >> THANK YOU. CAN'T REMEMBER ME AND COUNCILMEMBER NELSON JUST TO PUT THE NUMBERS OUT THERE WE'RE BRINGING IN ABOUT $8.2 MILLION A YEAR AND AT THE CURRENT LEVY RATE THAT WOULD BE A 10% INCREASE TO MOVE FRANCHISE FEES TO THE TAX LEVY JUST A 10% IN ONE YEAR FOR THAT. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I DON'T I DON'T THINK THE VENN DIAGRAM OF PEOPLE WHO PAY TAXES AND PEOPLE WHO PAY FRANCHISE FEES IS EXACTLY THE SAME. SO I THINK IT'D BE WORTH US LOOKING AT THAT BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO PAY FRANCHISE FEES TO THE CITY THAT DO NOT PAY PROPERTY TAXES. THAT'S CORRECT. AND AND AND SO PUTTING 8.2 MILLION INTO THE TAX ROL SOUNDS A LITTLE EGREGIOUS AS WELL. SO I THINK WE SHOULD MAYBE LOOK AT HOW TO DIVIDE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT. I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. SO TO GET PEDANTIC ABOUT IT RIGHT, I'M SO FRUSTRATED BY THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS THAT WE'VE PASSED YOU KNOW, MINNESOTA'S MINNESOTA STATUTE HAS PASSED A STATEMENT THAT SAID WE'RE ALLOWED TO CHARGE THESE UTILITIES FOR THE STUFF THAT THEY DO IN THE RIGHT OF WAY BUT WE HAVEN'T EXPANDED THAT RULE TO INCLUDE ALL THE PEOPLE WHO JUST PUT UP BOATLOAD OF STUFF IN OUR RIGHT AWAY I.E. OUR FIBER COMPANIES AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT RIGHT. AND THEN THERE'S THE PUC HAS THIS ADMINISTRATIVE THING THAT BASICALLY SAYS THAT THESE UTILITIES CAN I'M GOING TO QUOTE IT HERE UNDER MINNESOTA LAW THAT UTILITIES ARE ALLOWED TO RECOVER COSTS THAT ARE REASONABLE AND NECESSARY TO PROVIDE SERVICE. THAT'S HOW VAGUE THE LANGUAGE UNDER WHICH THE P THE PUC IS ADMINISTRATIVELY ALLOWING THESE COMPANIES TO JUST ESSENTIALLY PASS THIS STUFF THROUGH AND IT FRUSTRATES THE HECK OUT OF ME IF IT WAS UP TO ME AND IT'S NOT THERE'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE CHALLENGE WAITING TO BE HAD HERE IN MY OPINION BECAUSE XCEL ENERGY SHOULD PAY IN MY OPINION THE A REASONABLE AMOUNT FOR THE WORK THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO WITHOUT ADVANCE NOTICE, WITHOUT ANY LIKE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO GO IN AND OUT OF BOTH THE FRONT EASEMENTS AND THE BACK EASEMENTS AND THE SIDE EASEMENTS OF OUR HOUSE ANY TIME THEY WANT TO AND WE'VE JUST ADDED A BUNCH OF PEOPLE TO THAT RULE. BUT WE DON'T WE'RE NOT CHARGING THOSE PEOPLE AND THEN WE'RE WE'RE BASICALLY SAYING THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO COME UP WITH WHATEVER IS ARBITRARILY REASONABLE AND NECESSARY AND PASS IT ALONG TO THE CUSTOMER. I YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT OUR FAULT BUT IT BUT WE'RE GETTING BLAMED. NO, YOU KNOW, RIGHTFULLY RIGHT. I MEAN I UNDERSTAND THE THE THE PETITIONER'S COMMENTS RIGHT. BUT THERE'S THERE'S HAS TO BE A BETTER WAY. SO IF WE IF WE DON'T THINK THAT OUR UTILITIES SHOULD BE PAYING A REASONABLE FEE FOR THEIR UNMITIGATED RIGHT TO COME IN AND OUT OF PROPERTIES AND DO WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO IN THESE EASEMENTS, THEN THAT SHOULD BE HANDLED SOMEWHERE BECAUSE THIS IS SILLY. WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION ALL THE TIME BUT THE REAL HEART OF THE PROBLEM THE REAL CRUX OF THE MATTER IS THAT WE HAVE A VERY LIMITED ABILITY TO TO EXTRACT FROM THESE UTILITIES IS SOMETHING VALUABLE ON BEHALF OF OUR RESIDENTS AND TAXPAYERS FOR THEIR UNMITIGATED RIGHT TO PROPERTY AND I THINK THAT SHOULD CHANGE. SO I'M FINE WITH WHATEVER WE DECIDE HERE. I CAN COUNT THE NOSES TO BUT I PERSONALLY THINK THERE'S A REAL OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO TO TO LEAD IN CHANGING THE WAY THAT THIS STUFF WORKS IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA. THANKS. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER IF I MAY COUNCILMEMBER REVISE I WOULD JUST ADD A COUPLE OF WORDS TO WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER SANDERS SAID. I THINK WE SHOULD CHARGE THEM TO UH FOR RENTING OUR PROPERTY LET'S WHERE THEY PUT THE LIGHTS TO GIVE US A SERVICE THEY ARE THE ONLY BUSINESS IN THE COUNTRY THAT WE PAY THEM TO USE OUR LAND TO PROVIDE A SERVICE. I MEAN I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING OR ANYBODY THAT PROVIDES A SERVICE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT WE HAD TO PAY THEM ANY IN THE EVENT THAT ANYTHING BREAKS WE STILLAD TO BUY THE THE METERS AND ALL THAT STUFF. IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. THANK YOU ON SUMMARY INVOLVEMENT ON THERE I'M READY TO GO AHEAD AND GET SOME ACTION OVER THERE. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE LET ME MAKE SURE WE EVERYBODY SAID SPOKE IN THEIR PIECE COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN I HEARD I HEARD OPTION THREE. I COUNTED I'M AN OPTION ONE BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE 3XI CAN SEE IT SITS THERE SO I MOVED NO INCREASE IN 2026 TO 2 MAKE NO CHANGE AND DIRECT STAFF TO RETURN IN THE SPRING OF 2026 TO CONSIDER FUTURE FEE CHANGES IF OPTIONS 1 OR 2 OH CAN I READ THAT? OKAY. SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER ONE AND JUST TO SPECIFY HERE THIS IS FOR NO INCREASE IN 2026 TO MAKE NO CHAIR CHANGE AND TO DIRECT STAFF TO RETURN IN THE SPRING OF 2026 TO CONSIDER FUTURE FEE CHANGES . WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE TABLE. ANY FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I, I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO AND THAT WAS FOR THE MOTION FOR CENTERPOINT ENERGY A SIMILAR MOTION FOR COUNCIL COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN FOR XCEL ENERGY I MOVE NO INCREASE IN 2026 TO MAKE NO CHANGES AND DIRECTS STAFF TO RETURN IN THE SPRING OF 2026 TO CONSIDER FUTURE FEE CHANGES SAYING MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER TO FOR THE REGARDING THE XCEL ENERGY FRANCHISE FEES TO MAKE NO INCREASE IN 2026 AND TO MAKE NO CHANGE AND DIRECTS STAFF TO RETURN IN THE SPRING OF 2026 TO CONSIDER FUTURE FEE CHANGES . NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANKS FOR THE CONVERSATION ON THIS AND THANK YOU FOR COMING FORWARD WITH YOUR COMMENTS. I APPRECIATE IT. MR. MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER ALESSANDRO IF I MAY JUST BEFORE WE MOVE ON OR IF YOU PREFER I CAN HOLD THIS TO THE BUSINESS SECTION BUT IS IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO LIKE FOR THE 2026 MINNESOTA LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES LIST IF FOR A WE CAN HAVE A CONSIDERATION OF LIKE TAKING SOME ACTION AT THE STATE LEGISLATURE ON THIS TOPIC I THINK THAT WOULD BE PERFECT FOR ITEM 5.3. BUT YES WE COULD YOU CAN CERTAINLY BRING THAT UP AND WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT STAFF UNDERSTANDS THAT WE'D LIKE THAT INCLUDED. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM FIVE ON OUR AGENDA. THIS IS OUR ORGANIZATIONAL BUSINESS. WE ARE GOING TO GET AN UPDATE ON THE BLOOMINGTON ICE GARDEN VIA HUGHES, OUR DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION IS HERE THIS EVENING. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR CITY MANAGERS AND COUNCIL MEMBERS FIRST BEFORE AS WE PULL UP THE SLIDE I JUST LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE DEB WILLIAMS WHO IS AND WHO IS THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE ICE GARDEN RENOVATION. DEB IS ACTUALLY HERE WITH ME TONIGHT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION. I'D ALSO LIKE TO TAKE A QUICK MOMENT TO THANK HER FOR HER LEADERSHIP AND DIRECTION ON THIS COMPLICATED AND MULTIFACETED RENOVATION. SO THANK YOU DEB. I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK THE ICE GARDEN STAFF WHO HAVE PLAYED A HUGE ROLE IN TROUBLESHOOTING THIS PROJECT WITH DEB, SO THANK YOU. LENNY SCHMITZ ICE GARDEN MANAGER BILLY LEWIS THE ASSISTANT MANAGER AND TODD BAER THE ICE AND SUPERINTEND TONIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS PRESENTATION WILL SHOW YOU THE MOST UP TO DATE CONSTRUCTION IMAGES OF KEY AREAS IN THE RENOVATION PROJECT. THOSE AREAS ARE LISTED ON THIS SLIDE. ONE IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE IS SOME OF THE NUMBER FOUR PHOTOS YOU'RE GOING TO SEE AND THAT WILL MAKE SENSE IN A LITTLE BIT ARE ACTUALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS PUT IN YOUR PACKET. THIS PROJECT IS MOVING VERY QUICKLY AND SO I VIEW SOME OF THE MOST UP TO DATE IMAGES THAT WE GOT JUST LAST WEEK SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME DIFFERENCES IN WHAT YOU SAW IN YOUR PACKET WITH WHAT YOU SEE TONIGHT. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THIS PROJECT IS CURRENT AND IS CURRENTLY ON TIME AND ON BUDGET. THE TOTAL BUDGET JUST AS A REMINDER IS 37.2 MILLION 35 MILLION AND LOCAL OPTION SALES TAX AND 2.27 MILLION AND A DEED GRANT. THE ANTICIPATED OPENING DATE IS FALL 2025 WITH A GOAL OF OCTOBER 1ST ON TIME AND ON BUDGET OR ON TIME AND ON BUDGET AREY FAVORITE WORDS FOR ANY PROJECT. SO SO FAR SO GOOD. THIS SLIDE VISUALLY HIGHLIGHTS SOME OF THE AREAS THAT I'M GOING TO DISCUSS TONIGHT. SO THE YELLOW HIGHLIGHTS SHOW JUST AREAS THAT ARE OF INTEREST. THE GREEN HIGHLIGHT ARE SOME OF THE ADA IMPROVEMENTS SO THAT I'LL BE SPEAKING TO TONIGHT AS WELL. AND THIS SLIDE JUST SHOWS THE SAME THING ONLY FOR THE SECOND FLOOR. SO FIRST OFF I'M HERE IS HERE ARE SOME IMAGES OF THE NEW RINK FLOOR AND COOLING SYSTEM. SO IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT BOTH RINKS ONE AND TWO HAVE BEEN COMPLETED AND SO THEY ARE CURRENTLY RESTING BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU POUR A WHOLE LOT OF CONCRETE. SO THE FIRST IMAGE IS THE THE STRUCTURE FOR THE OUTER PERIMETER POOR OF RINK ONE. SO YOU CAN SEE THE FRAMEWORK THERE. THE SECOND IMAGE MARK NUMBER TWO IS THE UNDERFLOOR HEATING TUBE. SO THAT WILL HELP PREVENT THE PERMAFROST UNDERNEATH THE FLOOR. THE THIRD IMAGE SHOWS INSULATION, THE COOLING TUBES AND THEN THE REBAR STRUCTURE THAT IS UNDERNEATH THE CEMENT. AND THEN THE FOURTH IMAGE YOU CAN SEE THE TEAM OF INDIVIDUALS POURING THE CONCRETE FOR THE ACTUAL FLOOR . DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY MILES OF REBAR TUBES PIPING? THAT MIGHT BE A LOT. I DON'T KNOW. I WILL SAY THERE ARE PROBABLY I DON'T KNOW 4040 PEOPLE ON THAT FLOOR COORDINATED IN A REALLY BEAUTIFUL DANCE TO GET ALL THAT CEMENT POURED AND THEN PROCESSED. IT WAS IT'S QUITE IMPRESSIVE THIS GRAPHIC IS JUST SOMETHING THAT'S ON THE BLOOMINGTON FORD WEBSITE THAT JUST KIND OF ARTICULATES THOSE DIFFERENT LAYERS OF THE FLOOR THAT I JUST SHOWED YOU VISUALLY IN THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS. THESE ARE IMAGES OF THE PROGRESSION OF THE NEW AMMONIA ICE SYSTEM PLANT. THE FIRST IMAGE IS THE NEW ADDITION TO THE BACK SIDE OF THE BUILDING. YOU CAN SEE THE NEW FLOOR WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT CEMENT PEDESTALS FOR THE EQUIPMENT IMAGE TO SHOW SOME OF THE COMPRESSORS AND HOLDING TANKS THAT HAVE BEEN INSTALLED. THREE SHOWS A FURTHER PROGRESSION OF MORE OF THE COMPRESSORS AND PIPING THAT HAS BEEN INSTALLED. AND THEN THE FOURTH IMAGE IS THE MOST RECENT WHERE THEY'VE PU SOME OF THE STRUCTURE THAT WILL HOLD THE ABOVE HEAD PIPING ONCE IT'S INSTALLED. THIS IS THE RINK THREE PROGRESSION FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL LOCKER ROOMS THERE ARE ACTUALLY TWO SLIDES BECAUSE THIS HAS MADE QUITE A BIT OF PROGRESS SO THE FIRST IMAGE HERE JUST SHOWS THE GROUND PREP IN IN FLOOR PLUMBING THAT WAS PLACED. THE SECOND IMAGE SHOWS THE PREP AERATION FOR THE CEMENT FLOOR TO BE POURED. THIRD IMAGE IS THAT CEMENT FLOOR. AND THE FOURTH IMAGE IS THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE CMU WALLS FOR BOTH THE HALLWAY AND THE LOCKER ROOMS WHICH ALSO SERVE AS THE UNDERGROUND STRUCTURE SUPPORT FOR THE STADIA. HERE'S THE NEXT ROUND. SO HERE IS AN IMAGE OF THE LOCKER ROOM CORRIDOR. YOU CAN SEE THE STEEL STRUCTURE FOR THE ROOFING WHICH IS THE UPPER CONCOURSE. IMAGE TWO IS THE FORMATION OF THE HALLWAY CORRIDOR. THE THIRD IMAGE IS THE INSTALLATION OF THE INTERIOR WALLS THAT WILL SEPARATE THE THREE LOCKER ROOMS. IN ADDITION TO THE PLUMBING AND FAC AND THEN FOUR IS THE THE STADIA UNDER STEEL AND SUPPORT AND IN THIS IMAGE THEY'RE ACTUALLY STARTING TO BUILD THE STRUCTURE TO PAY FOR THE INITIAL STEPS OF THE STADIA. HERE'S SOME IMAGES OF THAT RINK THREE WALKABLE CONCOURSE THAT WILL GO AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE WHOLE RINK. THE FIRST IMAGES OBVIOUSLY WHERE THAT OUTER PERIMETER OF THE RINK THREE IS BEING POURED OUT TO SUPPORT THE RINK FLOOR. IT SHOWS WHERE THE THE STADIUM SUPPORTS WILL GO. THE SECOND IMAGE IS THE STEEL STRUCTURE IN PLACE FOR THE SECOND LEVEL STUDIO THAT'S NEAR THE LOBBY WINDOWS. IF YOU CAN KIND OF ORIENT YOURSELF THAT WAY. THE THIRD IMAGE IS A GROUND FLOOR VIEW OF THE FLOORING ON THAT UPPER CONCOURSE. AND THEN THE FOURTH IMAGE IS HOW YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THEY'RE STARTING TO WRAP IT AROUND THE BACK SIDE WHERE THE ICE MECHANICAL ROOM WILL BE. >> HERE'S THE CONCESSIONS AREA. SO WE ARE COMPLETELY MOVING THE CONCESSIONS FROM THE AREA IT IS CURRENTLY TO THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THAT LOBBY AREA. SO THE FIRST IMAGE IS THE NEW FLOOR PIPING AND CEMENT FLOOR. THE SECOND IMAGE IS THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW BURNISHED BLOCK WALL. THIRD SHOWS KIND OF MIDWAY THROUGH THAT CONSTRUCTION AND THE FOURTH IMAGE IS THE COMPLETION OF THE CONCESSIONS WALL IN ADDITION TO THE BEGINNINGS OF THE METAL STUDS THAT WILL SEPARATE THE FRONT AREA FROM THE BACK RINK ONE RENOVATIONS FOR RESTROOMS FOR THE MEN'S AND WOMEN'S RESTROOMS ARE COMING ALONG NICELY. THE FIRST IMAGE SHOWS THE IN IN FLOOR PLUMBING. THE SECOND AND THIRD IMAGES SHOW THE UPPER PIPING AND MOUNTS FOR WHERE THE STATIONS WILL BE. AND THEN THE FOURTH IS THE BURNISHED BLOCK ON WALLS FOR THOSE RENOVATED RESTROOMS AS WELL. HERE'S SOME SECOND LEVEL VIEWS OF THE UPPER SOON TO BE TEMPERATURE CONTROLLED INDOOR VIEWING AREA BETWEEN RINKS ONE AND TWO. THE FIRST IMAGE SHOWS THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW MEZZANINE WALL OFF OF RINK ONE. THE SECOND IMAGE SHOWS THE THE RINK SIDE VIEW PLUS THE NEW WALKWAY THAT IS BEING CREATED THAT IS EASIER ACCESS FOR ATHLETES TO GET FROM THE MAIN HALLWAY BACK TO THE LOCKER ROOM AREAS. THE THIRD IMAGE SHOWS THE STADIUM STILL IN PLACE THAT NEEDED TO BE FILLED TO PUT THE FLOOR FOR THAT UPPER LEVEL MEZZANINE AND THE FOURTH IMAGE SHOWS THAT COMPLETED FLOOR . >> HERE ARE SOME OF THE 80 IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU'LL SEE THROUGHOUT THE RINK. THE IMAGES ON THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT SHOWCASE SOME OF THE PERMANENT RINK LEVEL VIEWING AREAS THAT ARE HAPPENING ON RINKS ONE, TWO AND THEN THERE WILL ALSO BE SIMILAR VIEWING AREAS ON RINK THREE. THE MIDDLE IMAGE SHOWS ONE OF TWO LIFT AREAS SO THEY'RE DIGGING THE PIT FOR THE LIFT THAT WILL GO FROM THE FIRST FLOOR TO THE SECOND FLOOR. AND THEN SOMETHING THAT I DID NOT HAVE AN IMAGE OF WAS WE DO HAVE A NEW ADA RESTROOM THAT WILL HAVE AN ADULT CHANGING STATION AS WELL THAT WILL BE NEXT TO THE SINGLE USER RESTROOMS OFF OF THE LOBBY AREA. THERE WILL BE SEATING BOTH ON THE FIRST LEVEL AND THE SECOND LEVEL FOR RINKS TWO AND THREE AND THE FOR THE FIRST RINK AS WELL WHICH IS A HUGE IMPROVEMENT NEW FACT THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING. SO WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE AN INTEGRATED SYSTEM IN ALL THREE RINKS THAT PLAYS NICELY WITH ONE ANOTHER MUCH LARGER PIPES AND AND A LOT MORE EFFICIENCIES TO BE FOUND THERE. AND THEN HERE'S AN IMAGE OF THOSE THE NEW BANK OF RESTROOMS OFF OF THE LOBBY. SO THE FIRST IMAGE SHOWS AGAIN THAT IN-GROUND PIPING WITH THE NEW POURED FLOOR. SECOND SHOWS SOME OF THE THE ABOVE GROUND PLUMBING PLUS THE INSTALLATION OF THE NEW HVAC SYSTEMS. THE THIRD IMAGE SHOWS THE STEEL STRUCTURE FOR THE WALLS. AND THE FOURTH SHOWS HOW THE ELECTRICAL AND INSULATION ARE GOING IN IN ADDITION TO THE FRONT HANDWASHING STATION IS NOW VISIBLE AS WELL. AND WITH THAT, DEB AND I ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. AS ALWAYS YOU CAN VISIT THE BLOOMINGTON FORD WEBSITE. WE ARE PUTTING ALL THESE IMAGES ON THE WEBSITE IN ADDITION TO DOING BIWEEKLY SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS THAT ARE QUITE POPULAR RIGHT NOW. AND SO IT'S ALWAYS A GOOD ONE STOP SHOP FOR THE BLOOMINGTON FORWARD PROJECTS. ABSOLUTELY. AND THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE AND THANKS FOR. I WOULD ECHO THE THANKS TO THE TO THE TO THE PROJECT MANAGERS TO THE ICE GARDEN STAFF, TO YOU TO EVERYBODY WHO'S BEEN WORKING ON THIS. THIS IS HAMMOND RIGHT ALONG. AND IT'S VERY IMPRESSIVE THE THE PROGRESS IS BEING MADE LITERALLY ON A WEEKLY BASIS. IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S ANOTHER HUGE STEP FORWARD. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANKS FOR THE UPDATE AND THANKS FOR THE PICTURES TOO BECAUSE NOTHING SHOWS IT BETTER THAN SOME COOL PICTURES. COUNCILMEMBER CARTER. QUESTION THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST WANTED TO THANK THE TEAM THANK DEB. I ACTUALLY GOT A TOUR OF BIG A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND GOT TO SEE I THINK RINK TWO BEING POURED AND IT WAS QUITE THE PROCESS. AND I JUST FELT LIKE I LEFT JUST FEELING SO IMPRESSED BY NOT JUST LIKE THE MAKING OF THE ICE THE ICE RINK BUT IT'S JUST SUCH A COMPLEX PROJECT WITH SO MUCH GOING ON . AND TRULY IT IS A COMPLETE OVERHAUL. I MEAN I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT'S REALLY GOING TO BE THE SAME IS LIKE THE THE SHOW OF THE BUILDING. I MEAN THE WINDOWS ARE BEING REPLACED EVERYTHING AND SO IT JUST WAS IT WAS INCREDIBLY IMPRESVE TO GO AND SEE THE WORK UNDERWAY AND SO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND HUGE KUDOS TO STAFF TO DEB AND HER LEADERSHIP. AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING AND THEN THROUGH ALL THE POSTS THAT ARE HAPPENING. I KNOW I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH SOME OF THE KEY COMMUNITY PARTNERS AND THEY HAVE I KNOW APPRECIATED THE COLLABORATION WITH THEM AS WELL. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU. DID YOU WRITE YOUR NAME IN THE WET CEMENT? WELL, COME ON. I MEAN COUNCILMEMBER AND AND COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO. COUNCILMEMBER THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU FOR SHARING THIS. THANK YOU TO THE LENNI EVERYONE OF THE ICE GARDEN. I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW EXCITED LITERALLY EVERYBODY I'VE TALKED TO HAS BEEN HOCKEY PLAYERS FIGURE SKATERS AND NOT JUST IN BLOOMINGTON. I'VE SPOKEN TO PEOPLE AT MINNETONKA LAKE BILL EGAN EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT THIS BECAUSE EVERYONE USES BIG. AND SO THIS IS HUGE AND I'M SUPER EXCITED ABOUT IT. AND I WILL HAVE NOT ONE BUT TWO HOCKEY PLAYERS THIS YEAR SO I'M VERY EXCITED PERSONALLY. I AM I BASICALLY LIVE THERE ALREADY SO I'M EXCITED TO GET BACK THERE. I KNOW KIDS ARE EXCITED FOR FALL CLINICS. THEY'RE SICK OF GOING TO RICHFIELD TO DO THEIR SUMMER CLINICS. SO I CAN TELL YOU THAT I'M ALSO EXCITED ABOUT THE AGE OF. HOPEFULLY THAT FIXES THE SMELL COMING OUT OF THE VARSITY TEAM'S LOCKER ROOMS AND LITERALLY WILL PASS OUT. BETTER THAN MANY TIMES EXCEPT FOR THAT ONE QUESTION KIND OF DIGGING YOU TO THE WEEDS BECAUSE IT WAS PART OF MY LIFE FOR SUCH A LONG TIME. MOVING TO AMMONIA. JUST TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE AN AMMONIA RELEASE EMERGENCY SERIOUS PONDS PLAN BECAUSE AMMONIA CAN BE DANGEROUS AND NOT ONLY DOES IT KNOCK YOU OUT BECAUSE OF THE SMELL, IT LITERALLY WILL KNOCK YOU TO THE GROUND. AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PLAN IS IN PLACE. FIRE DEPARTMENT IS PREPARED FOR AND I STAFF ARE GOING TO PREPARE FOR THAT IN CASE SOMETHING HAPPENS LIKELY WON'T BUT IN CASE. COUNCILMEMBER THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. WE ARE WORKING WITH B 32 AND RINK TECH ON THAT PLAN. WE ALSO HAVE A SOFTWARE THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY I.T. THAT WILL HELP WITH SOME OF THOSE MONITORING SYSTEMS. SO YES, IT IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT THE SAFETY FIRST NOT ONLY STAFF BUT USERS OF THAT FACILITY AND JUST YOU KNOW, BEING MINDFUL OF OF WHAT WE'RE USING THERE AND USING IT SAFELY AND RESPONSIBLY. THANK YOU. YES, THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS AND I'M SUPER EXCITED FOR EVERYBODY. I DID NOT GROW UP HERE AS EVERYBODY KNOWS AND I NEVER PLAYED HOCKEY IN MY LIFE AND I'M TERRIBLE ON SKATES SO I'M NOT YOU'RE NOT YOUR AUDIENCE BUT I'M IS THRILLED. SO I CAN ONLY IMAGINE HOW THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO USE IT EVERY DAY ARE FEELING RIGHT NOW. I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE IN MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING WE WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT AT A FUTURE DATE BUT I'M CURIOUS GENERALLY SPEAKING ABOUT WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO MAINTAIN THIS GOING FORWARD AND WHAT THE CHANGES TO THE BIG IMPLY IN TERMS OF THE BUDGET FOR OPERATIONS AND MOST SPECIFICALLY AS I THINK ABOUT THAT CONCRETE FLOOR LIKE THE MY FIRST THOUGHT WAS OH MAN, WHAT IF A PIPE BREAKS UNDER THERE LIKE THAT'S A BIG DEAL AND SO NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT CONCRETE IS JUST ONE OF THE MOST ENVIRONMENTALLY UGLY THINGS WE COULD BE DOING. SO I'LL JUST MAKE THAT NOTE AS I ALWAYS DO WHEN I TALK ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL STUFF BUT LIKE I'M JUST CURIOUS DO WE KNOW OR CAN WE GET KIND OF AN OPERATIONS OR MAINTENANCE PLAN KIND OF OUT OF THIS NOT TO PUT MORE TIME AND BURDEN ON ALL OF YOU WHO ARE SUPER BUSY ALREADY BUT I WOULD LIKE TO JUST UNDERSTAND WHAT WE THINK THAT HOCKEY STICK LOOKS LIKE IN TERMS OF OF THE COST THAT IT MIGHT BE NO PUN INTENDED THERE ACTUALLY TOTALLY TURN IT AND MAYBE IT'S NOT MAYBE IT'S MAYBE IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE LESS MAINTENANCE OVER TIME FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. ONE IT'S FUTURE PROOFED A LITTLE BIT MORE MORE UPDATED EQUIPMENT, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. BUT I WOULD LOVE TO JUST HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING ABOUT AT SOME POINT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE RIGHT NOW OBVIOUSLY, BUT UNLESS WE KNOW IT ALREADY SO THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO WE ARE WORKING ON STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES. WE HAVE NOT STARTED A MAINTENANCE PLAN YET BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WE ARE HAVING MEETINGS WITH JUST FACILITIES ON WHO WILL BE MAINTAINING WHAT PARTS OF THE FACILITY AND WHAT STAFF WILL BE MAINTAINING THAT. AND SO SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE YET TO BE HAD AND I DO THINK AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG FIRST OF ALL THEN THEY'VE RUN A HOCKEY RINK BEFORE. I MEAN I'VE GOT I'VE GOT CONFIDENCE IN THE WORK THAT OUR STAFF CAN DO AND CAN BE ABLE TO DO IT. I'M ALSO COMPLETELY CONFIDENT THAT EQUIPMENT INSTALLED IN 2025 IS GOING TO BE A LOT MORE EFFICIENT THAN EQUIPMENT FROM 1972. AND SO I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL SAVINGS BUT WE MIGHT HAVE TO WAIT A WHILE FOR THAT AND WE MIGHT HAVE TO GET THROUGH A SEASON BEFORE WE REALLY GET NUMBERS AND REALLY HAVE A BETTER HANDLE ON THAT. BUT TO YOUR POINT, YES, I THINK WE WILL BE ABLE TO SEE IT AND AND YES, I DO THINK IT IS GOING TO BE A HOCKEY STICK OF SAVINGS BECAUSE IT JUST MAKES LOGICAL SENSE THAT IT'S THE EFFICIENCIES ARE GOING TO BE THERE WITH NEW EQUIPMENT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? VERY GOOD. THANK YOU MUCH. THANK YOU. AND THEN 5.2 ON OUR AGENDA COUNCIL IS AN UPDATE ON THE SIDEWALK PLOWING REDUCTION EVALUATION AND WE'VE GOT A CAST OF THOUSANDS COMING FORWARD. RANDY CLARK, KEVIN NEWTON, DAVE HANSON I SKI AND KOTORI WE'LL JUST TURN IT OVER TO WHOEVER WANTS TO JUMP IN AND GO. MAYOR MEMBERS OF COUNCIL I WILL GET US STARTED AND KEVIN ETENE AND DAVE HANSON WILL REVIEW THE PLAN, THE ENGAGEMENT SUMMARIES AND NEXT STEPS AND FOLLOW UP FROM OUR PRESENTATION LAST MAY I'LL UPDATE YOU THAT THE PARKS ARTS AND RECREATION COMMISSION ALSO REVIEWED THIS PROPOSAL THIS PAST WEDNESDAY AND RECOMMENDED AUTHORIZATION OF THE PLAN TO CITY COUNCIL NEXT SINCE THE ADOPTION OF THE PARK MASTER PLAN IN 2021 WE CONTINUE TO USE THE DATA COMMUNITY PRIORITIES AND THE ACTION PLAN TO LOOK AT WHAT WE DO, WHY WE DO IT AND HOW WE DO IT. WE'RE FINDING EFFICIENCIES IN ALL AREAS OF SERVICE DELIVERY AND THE PROPOSED SIDEWALK PLOWING REDUCTION IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE SIDEWALK PLOWING AS IT'S DONE NOW IS MORE THAN OTHER COMMUNITIES PROVIDE AND IT'S NOT RESOURCE TO BE SUCCESSFUL WITH THE PROPOSAL THE MOST IMPORTANT SIDEWALKS WILL BE CLEARED FASTER AND BETTER AND WE WILL HAVE ADDITIONAL STAFF RESOURCES FOR PARK MAINTENANCE TO FOCUS ON FORESTRY AND NATURAL RESOURCE MANAGEMENT WHICH IS A COMMUNITY PRIORITY A PRIORITY IDENTIFIED IN OUR PARK MASTER PLAN AND AS WE CONTINUE TO EXPAND OUR EFFORTS AND NATURAL RESOURCES MANAGEMENT WITH THE NINE MILE CREEK PROJECT COMING ONLINE AS WELL AS PROJECTS LIKE THE COMMUNITY LED PROPOSAL YOU SAW IN YOUR CONSENT AGENDA TONIGHT. SO WITH THAT I WILL TURN IT OVER TO DAVE AND KEVIN TO PRESENT THE PROPOSAL. YEAH. EVENING. SO I'M GOING TO GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF PARK MAINTENANCE AS A RULE OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. PUBLIC WORKS PROVIDES THE BUDGET AND LEADERSHIP FOR ALL SNOW REMOVAL SERVICES. THE MAIN FOUR ARE THE STREETS PUBLIC BUILDINGS, CUL DE SACS AND SIDEWALKS AND TRAILS AS DEMONSTRATED IN THE DIAGRAM THERE. AND HISTORICALLY PARK MAIN AND STAFF HAVE BEEN PART OF PUBLIC WORKS. BUT AS YOU ALL REMEMBER IN 2023 PARK MAINTENANCE WAS TRANSFERRED OVER TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT STAFF WOULD CONTINUE TO ASSIST WITH SNOW REMOVAL OPERATIONS . SOME OF THE DRIVING FORCES FOR THE CHANGES WE'RE PRESENTING ARE SERVICE CONCERNS AROUND THE TIMELINESS OF THE SERVICE. WE TAKE TOO LONG. PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT BE MORE IN LINE WITH OUR STREETS AND CUL DE SACS INABILITY TO CLEAR TO THE PAVEMENT DUE TO LIMITATIONS WITH EQUIPMENT AND CONCERNS FOR INJURY WE'RE NOT ABLE TO CLEAR ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE PAVEMENT DAMAGE TO PRIVATE PROPERTY. DAVE HAS SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS SO YOU CAN KIND OF GET AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH IT COSTS US WHEN WE DO DAMAGE AND RISK OF INJURY AND SHIFT FATIGUED OPERATORS WHICH DAVE HAS MORE DATA ON THAT LATER AND SOME OF THE LONG RANGE PLANNING OPPORTUNITIES WE LOOK TO THE BLOOMINGTON TOGETHER TOMORROW CORE VALUES TO THE ONES THAT STOOD OUT TO US WERE THAT WE BELIEVE THAT THE COMMUNITY THRIVES WHEN ITS MEMBERS SHARE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ITS WELL-BEING AND THAT WE WILL NOT ALLOW PAST PRACTICES TO INTERFERE WITH THE CONSIDERATION OF NEW IDEAS. BACK IN 2018 PARKS AND RECREATION WAS MADE ITS OWN DEPARTMENT WITH THE EXPECTATION FOR INCREASED INVESTMENT IN OUR PARKS AND RECREATION EXPERIENCES. WITH THAT CAME THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PARK SYSTEM MASTER PLAN. AND THEN IN ORDER TO HELP MEET THE STRATEGIC GOALS WITHIN THE MASTER PLAN PARK MAINTENANCE WAS MOVED TO PARKS AND RECREATION. SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS YOU GUYS ARE SEE OUT OF THAT WOULD BE INCREASED FOCUS ON OUR PARKS, INCREASED FOCUS ON OUR NATURAL RESOURCE MANAGEMENT, INCREASED FOCUS ON OUR FORESTRY. AND WITH THAT WE HAVE THERE BEEN FORESTRY MASTER PLAN IN DEVELOPMENT. SOME OF THE WAYS WE DEVELOPED THE PROPOSED PLAN WERE SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED FROM THE COMMUNITY. SOME OF THE KEY THEMES FROM THAT WERE CLEARING THE SIDEWALKS IN ONE DAY FOCUSING ON THE CITY OWNED PROPERTIES, FOCUSING ON HEAVIER TRAFFIC TO PEDESTRIAN AREAS AND MAJOR INTERSECTIONS, ENSURING ACCESS TO ESSENTIAL SERVICES, FOCUSING ON SIDEWALKS NEXT TO THE ROADS ONES THAT LIKE ALONG NICOLET OR OLD SHACK B WHERE THE SIDEWALKS RIGHT THERE ON THE ROAD AND WOULD BE DIFFICULT FOR THE AVERAGE PEOPLE TO CLEAR NO MATTER THEIR RESOURCES AND SIDEWALKS IN DIFFICULT OR UNIQUE AREAS SIDEWALKS THAT PASSED BETWEEN HOUSES GO BEHIND THEIR HOUSE YOU KNOW, THROUGH THEIR BACKYARDS, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND SOME OF THE WAYS WE HELPED DEVELOP THAT WITHIN THE OUR OWN CITY STAFF WE TOOK INPUT FROM MULTIPLE DIVISIONS AND DEPARTMENTS. AND DURING A MEETING WITH ENGINEERING AND PLANNING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS ROADWAY CLASSIFICATION MAP WAS SUGGESTED TO HELP US DEVELOP OUR PLAN. AS YOU MAY REMEMBER FROM OUR LAST MEETING WE DID DO A SURVEY OF OTHER CITIES TO KIND OF GET AN IDEA OF WHERE WE WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL, WHAT HELP WOULD HELP US BE. A LOT OF THOSE OTHER CITIES SO THAT IN THE 10 TO 15 MILE RANGE THEY FELT SUCCESSFUL ANY MORE THAN THAT AND THEY WERE HOPING FOR A LITTLE MORE RESOURCES. SO THAT HELPED US DEVELOP OUR OWN IDEA OF TRYING TO GET 10 TO 15 MILES WITH THAT. ONE OF THE WAYS WE COULD DO THAT WOULD BE TO ADD RESOURCES TO OUR CURRENT OPERATION. AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT WE WOULD REQUEST SEVEN MORE MACHINES AND AT A COST OF ABOUT $200,000 APIECE. THAT WOULD EQUATE TO ABOUT $1.4 MILLION. AS WE LOOKED AT THAT WE DID NOT FEEL LIKE THAT WAS A VIABLE OPTION. SO WE DECIDED TO TRY AND MEET OUR RESOURCES TO THE OPERATIONS AND THE OPERATION TO THE RESOURCES. SO WITH THAT WE DECIDED TO LOOK AT THE ROADWAY CLASSIFICATION MAP AND PUT THAT AS AN OVERLAY ON TOP OF OUR SIDEWALKS. AND WITH THAT YOU HAVE THE MAP AHEAD THAT LAYS BEFORE YOU. THIS WOULD HAVE A FOCUS AND THIS WOULD FOCUS OUR EFFORTS IN AREAS WHERE WE HAVE A GREATER IMPACT FOR THE COMMUNITY. YOU KNOW ROADS LIKE OLD SHARK AP 90TH AND LYNDALE AREAS WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF FOOT TRAFFIC AND A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT NEED TO GET TO WORK AND WOULD TURN IN WOULD TURN THE LOCAL ROADS AND MINOR COLLECTORS. SO LIKE YOUR LOCAL STREETS THAT DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WALKING ON THEM AND DON'T HAVE A LOT OF VEHICLE TRAFFIC. AND WITH THIS WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ALIGN WITH OUR OTHER PLOWING OPERATIONS WHICH WOULD HOPEFULLY BE ONE DAY COMPLETION. THANK YOU KEVIN. THE PHASE TWO ENGAGEMENT THEMES WE HEARD A LOT OF THE SIMILAR THINGS IN PHASE TWO THAN WE HEARD IN PHASE ONE. AND LIKE KEVIN MENTIONED SINCE WE WERE HERE LAST WE WENT BACK TO THE COMMUNITY WITH THE MAP AND LEARNED SOME OF THOSE UNIQUE THINGS. SO YOU SAW THE UPDATED MAP. AMONG THE OTHER THEMES WE HEARD THROUGHOUT THE ENGAGEMENT BOTH BOTH PHASES WAS AN APPRECIATION FOR THE EXISTING PROGRAM EXCITEMENT ABOUT OPPORTUNITIES FOR EFFICIENCIES AND IMPROVEMENT. THERE CONTINUE TO BE CONCERN FOR OLDER ADULTS AND PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES. THERE WAS CONCERN OVER INCONSISTENT CLEANING OF SIDEWALKS THAT WOULD BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PROPERTY OWNER. SAFETY FOR CHILDREN IN SCHOOL ZONES. CURIOSITY OVER ENFORCEMENT. WE STILL PLAN TO LEAD WITH AN EFFORT OF EDUCATION, OUTREACH AND ASSISTANCE FOR THOSE THAT NEED IT. AND WE WANT TO TRY AND MINIMIZE NEIGHBORS BEING IN A SITUATION TO CALL ON NEIGHBORS ABOUT THEIR SIDEWALKS. AND THE LAST BULLET UP THERE SOME CONSIDER THE SAVINGS MODEST. I'LL ELABORATE ON SOME OF THE SAVINGS IN MORE DEPTH THAN WE DID LAST TIME WE WERE HERE. SO ALONG WITH SAVING APPROXIMATELY $60,000 IN DIRECT OVERTIME AND EQUIPMENT COSTS, WE JUST SPENT ROUGHLY $6,000 DOING THAT SIDE REPAIR THAT WE DO EVERY SPRING . WORKER'S COMPENSATION CLAIMS FOR THE PERIOD OF 2019 TO 2023 WERE $95,000 IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS WE'VE INCURRED $38,000 WORTH OF PAYOUTS FOR PROPERTY DAMAGE AND WE HAVE ANOTHER 10,000 IN RESERVE. SO THOSE ARE SETTLED AT THE END OF THE DAY. YOU KNOW, ALONG WITH THE SAVINGS THIS IS GOING TO DO ALLOW US TO DO A BETTER JOB PLOWING SIDEWALKS WHERE IT MATTERS MORE AND IMPROVE SERVICES AND PARKS. SOME OF THE SOLUTIONS THAT WE CAME UP WITH BASED ON THE ENGAGEMENT WAS CONNECTING COMMUNITY. CAMPAIGN TO ENCOURAGE NEIGHBORS TO SUPPORT NEIGHBORS AND THE SLOGAN THAT TRACY CAME UP WITH ON THE RIGHT BE NICE HELP YOUR NEIGHBORS WITH SNOW AND ICE. TRACY ALSO DRAFTED A RESOURCE SHEET OF LOCAL NONPROFITS AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT WILL EITHER PRICE PROVIDE SNOW REMOVAL SERVICES OR ASSIST WITH FINDING RESOURCES FOR PEOPLE. THAT LIST WAS IN YOUR PACKET. WE PLAN TO PARTNER WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO PROVIDE COMMUNICATION ABOUT ANY CHANGES AND ENCOURAGE CLEARING THE SIDEWALKS FROM THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE KIDS WALK TO SCHOOL AND THEN DEVELOP A VERY ROBUST EDUCATIONAL CAMPAIGN THROUGH OUR COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT TO AND FOR MANY CHANGES AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR ASSISTANCE BOTH FOR PEOPLE TO RECEIVE ASSISTANCE AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR NEIGHBORS TO ASSIST THEIR NEIGHBORS. WE'LL USE ALL OF OUR NORMAL RESOURCES LIKE DOOR HANGING CITY PUBLICATIONS, SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS AND THEN OF COURSE SOME IN-PERSON EVENT TABLING AT THE END. >> THIS IS A A REALLOCATION OF SERVICES AND A WAY TO IMPROVE PARK STANDARDS WITHOUT AN INCREASE IN AND STAFFER BUDGET AND FOCUS OUR APPLYING EFFORTS ON SIDEWALKS WHERE IT MAKES THE MOST DIFFERENCE. WE CAN START BY TERM IN SOME OF THE 5600 TREES IN OUR PARKS DOING A BETTER JOB OF THAT TIME SPENT IN APPLYING CAN BE APPLIED TO NATURAL AREAS ENHANCING 300 ACRES THAT ARE ALREADY RESTORED OR WORKING ON THE OVER A 1000 LEFT TO BE RESTORED. WE CAN PROVIDE AND ENHANCE WINTER PROGRAMING SUPPORT LIKE RINKS OR OTHER PROGRAMS AND THEN WITH REDUCED TIME ON THE SIDEWALK PLOWS WE ANTICIPATE THAT EMPLOYEE INJURIES WILL BE REDUCED AS WELL. SO SO RECOMMENDATIONS AND NEXT STEPS WE ARE LOOKING FOR AUTHORIZATION TO PROCEED WITH THE PLAN. WE DO PLAN TO COME BACK DEPENDING ON THE DECISION THAT IS MADE TONIGHT ON AUGUST 4TH WITH A CODE AMENDMENT AND HAVE A HEARING ALONGSIDE THAT AND THEN WE WILL BEGIN THAT COMMUNICATION PLAN ROLL OUT AND DEVELOPMENT IMMEDIATELY. WE HAVE AN ARTICLE PLANNED FOR THE AUGUST BRIEFING. WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO ONE FOR EITHER WAY THIS DECISION MIGHT GO IN THE SEPTEMBER BRIEFING AS WELL. SO WE ARE HERE FOR QUESTIONS AND CONVERSATION AND THANK YOU PRESENTATION AND THE UPDATE AND INFORMATION AND THANKS FOR THE EXTENSIVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT I KNOW WENT ON ON THIS. IT'S I MEAN WE HAVE IT IN OUR PACKET AND I'VE SEEN YOU OUT AND ABOUT AND SEEN THE CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU'VE BEEN HAVING WITH FOLKS ABOUT IT. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. I REALLY DO. THANK YOU SO MUCH. COUNCIL COMMENTS ON THIS QUESTIONS COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO THIS WAS HARD FOR ME TO TO TO MANAGE MY OPINION ON BECAUSE EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING MAKES A TON OF SENSE AND AND YOU KNOW WHAT I WHAT I CAN'T GET A SENSE FOR IS WHAT WHAT WE KNOW THE IMPACT TO RESIDENTS WILL BE. WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS YOU KNOW THAT MAP IT'S NOT SUPER EASY FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S ON THE MAP RIGHT WHEN YOU KNOW IT'S SO DETAILED THE CITY IS BIG AND THERE'S MILES AND MILES AND MILES OF SIDEWALK AND SO BY THE TIME YOU TRY TO DRILL INTO LIKE WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD? LIKE IT CAN BE REALLY CONFOUNDING RIGHT? SO AND I SAY THAT KNOWING THAT IN MY PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS ON MY STREET. SO LIKE, YOU KNOW, I REALIZE IT'S NOT ME I'M SAYING IT GENERALLY SO SO LIKE IF I GET A CALL FROM A RESIDENT WHO SAYS AM I ONE OF THE SIDEWALKS THAT IS GOING TO GET COVERED OR AM I THE ONE OF THE SIDEWALKS WHERE I HAVE TO DO IT MYSELF? LIKE I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR THEM AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IF THEY ASKED ANY OF US WE COULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR THEM YOU KNOW, EASILY ANYWAY LIKE YOU COULD DRILL IN BUT IT WOULD TAKE YOUR TIME AND ENERGY AND EVERYTHING. AND SO WHAT I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS I'M HAVING WITH WHILE CONCEPTUALLY I GET IT IS BEING ABLE TO REALLY TRULY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE IMPACT IS. YOU KNOW OUTSIDE OF MY OWN UNDERSTANDING OF OKAY THERE'S A SCHOOL AND TWO BLOCKS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE SCHOOL AND MAYBE AROUND THE CORNER AND THAT I CAN GET SO AND SO THEN THEN THE QUESTION BECOMES WHAT DO WE WE WHAT DO WE DO WHEN WE CAN'T BE THAT SPECIFIC AND WHEN CANDIDLY IF I MAYBE BLUNT THE NUMBERS WHILE THEY'RE IMPORTANT AND THE THE I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO JUST ASSUME THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE AFFECTED BECAUSE WE HAVE A NUMBER LIKE THAT'S NOT THE TRUE STORY OF THE IMPACT TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THESE CRAZY MACHINES AND AND EVERYTHING I WORKMAN'S COMP CLAIM IS ONE PORTION OF A VERY LONG STORY AROUND THEIR RECOVERY THEIR EFFECT ON THEIR FAMILY YOU KNOW THE WHOLE BIT SO I DON'T KNOW HOW TO COMPARE THESE TWO QUESTIONS IS I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING AT I'M MAYBE NONE OF YOU ARE STRUGGLING WITH THIS. I'D BE OPEN TO UNDERSTANDING IT BUT I BUT I'M I'M STRUGGLING TO LIKE KNOW HOW TO DECIDE. I GUESS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A REAL SIGNIFICANT BENEFIT TO THE CITY AND I THINK YOU'VE ARTICULATED SOME SOME OF THOSE WE ALSO ARE GOT FROM THE ENGAGEMENT WE GOT PEOPLE STILL WANT TO BE SURE THAT LIKE AREAS OF HIGH CONCERN ARE MAINTAINED AND MANAGED AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE I COULD I CAN BE THAT SPECIFIC ABOUT THAT ALTHOUGH I TRUST THAT YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. SO I GUESS I'M STRUGGLING AND I DON'T KNOW IF OTHER FOLKS ARE STRUGGLING WITH THIS OR NOT BUT I, I WANT TO I WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING FOR THE CITY I'VE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER LIVED IN A CITY WHERE I DIDN'T HAVE TO PLOW MY OWN SIDEWALK LIKE I MEAN I'VE LIVED YOU KNOW, AUSTIN AUSTIN HAS A MEASURE IN PLACE AND THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE SNOW AND THEY STILL TELL YOU TO DO YOUR SIDEWALKS. I MEAN SO LIKE YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE IT'S A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING TO ME WHY THIS IS A HARD PILL FOR THE PEOPLE IN BLOOMINGTON TO SWALLOW AND AT THE SAME TIME I WOULD WANT US TO BE ABLE TO HELP OUR NEIGHBORS BY KNOWING KNOW IF I'M A SENIOR RESIDENT AND MY SIDEWALK IS NOT ON THE LIST THAT I CAN GET HELP. AND I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT'S A REALLY EXPLICIT QUESTION AND A VERY SPECIFIC QUESTION TO EACH RESIDENT AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR THE RESIDENTS IN MY AREA OF OF OF THE CITY. SO I, I DID NOT ANSWER I DID NOT ASK A QUESTION NOR DID I DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN SAY I'M REALLY CONFUSED AND I NEED MORE HELP. BUT THAT'S THAT IS WHERE I'M AT UNFORTUNATELY ON THIS ISSUE. >> THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS AND COUNCILMEMBER COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS AS MORE CONFUSION HERE YOU KNOW I JUST HAVE QUESTIONS FROM WHAT I HEAR IT'S ABOUT $100,000. SO JUST UNDER IN SAVINGS. RIGHT. WHICH IS NOT IMPORTANT. THAT'S NOT THE REAL PURPOSE OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO THESE FOR RIGHT. THAT SAID, I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER QUESTIONS. OKAY. THAT WAS COMING I GOT TWO QUESTIONS. ONE HAVE YOU TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THE ENVIRONMENT WILL BE GREATLY AFFECTED BY THE AMOUNT OF SALT THAT THE PUBLIC IN GENERAL WILL USE TO MAINTAIN THOSE SIDEWALKS? I KNOW THE CITY PROBABLY DOESN'T USE ANY I NEVER SEEN HIM IN HIS HIGH WALK. THEY JUST USED THAT SWEEPER THAT CLEANS IT UP RIGHT WHEN I DO THE DRIVEWAY I PUT A LOT OF SALT IN THERE. I MEAN HE'S ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY. I DON'T KNOW FOR A FACT BUT THAT'S WHAT I USE. BUT MOST PEOPLE OUT THERE DON'T MAKE SURE WHAT THEY PUT IN THERE IF YOU WALK IN PLACES THAT PEOPLE DO IT BEFORE THE CITY GETS TO IT, THE AMOUNT OF SALT IN THOSE PLACES IS UNBELIEVABLE. SO HAVE YOU TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE EFFECT THAT WILL HAVE IN THE ENVIRONMENT YOU KNOW, THE RUNOFF TO THE RIVERS OR WHATEVER LAKES RIGHT. THAT'S ONE THING. THE OTHER THING IS THE REPUTATION THE CITY HAS AS A WELCOMING COMMUNITY. YOU KNOW THE EFFECT THAT THESE WILL HAVE ON PEOPLE THAT WALK THROUGHOUT THE CITY WHICH SELL OUT PEOPLE. I LIVE IN AN AREA THAT IS HEAVILY TRAFFICKED NOT JUST BY CARS BUT THAT PEOPLE WALKING TO THE BUS STOPS OR WHATEVER. YOU KNOW, IN MY CASE I THINK I WILL PROBABLY HAVE SOMEBODY CLEAN IT UP BUT HE DOESN'T REALLY GET DONE IN A TIMELY MANNER EITHER AT THAT SITE WILL GETS USED BY A LOT OF THE STUDENTS GOING TO KENNEDY AND I YOU KNOW IF I GO TO WORK THAT'S NOT THE FARE I'M NOT GOING TO GET UP AT THREE IN THE MORNING TO TO CLEAN OUT THE SIDEWALK. I'LL PROBABLY DO IT WHEN I COME HOME FROM WORK ABOUT 430 OR 330 IN THE AFTERNOON. SO YOU KNOW, SEE WHAT I'M GETTING WITH THIS? THAT'S WHAT I HAVE A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING. I MEAN THE SAVINGS TO THE CITY IS $100,000. YES, IT'S A LARGE AMOUNT BUT IT'S NOTHING REALLY COMPARED TO WHAT WE'RE SPENDING ALL OF THE THINGS. SO IF YOU CAN PROVIDE AN ANSWER TO THAT, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO. >> MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS, I'LL TAKE THE FIRST STAB AT THIS FIRST YOU ASKED ABOUT ESTIMATES, SALT USAGE AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS. WE DON'T HAVE A WAY OF KNOWING REALLY YOU KNOW, WILL PEOPLE USE SALT WHEN THEY SHOVEL? WE DO HAVE OUR WATER RESOURCES AND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT THAT DOES DO CAMPAIGN AND EDUCATION AROUND SALT USAGE PROTECT YOUR DRAIN AND THOSE KIND OF ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION AWARENESS THINGS. THE SECOND QUESTION WAS HOW FAST? ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF THIS PROPOSAL IS BECAUSE WE OFTEN HEAR COMPLAINTS WE DON'T DO IT WELL ENOUGH OR FAST ENOUGH PARTICULARLY ON THOSE LOW VOLUME STREETS THAT WE DON'T GET THERE TILL DAY THREE HIGHER VOLUME STREETS WHERE THEY ARE USED FOR MORE PEDESTRIANS, FOR MORE CRITICAL ACCESSES TO SCHOOLS TO BUSINESSES ARE THE STREETS THAT WILL BE ABLE TO FOCUS ON FASTER AND DO A BETTER JOB. IF I WOULD JUST ADD A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BUDGET, I THINK WE SET IT I'VE GONE THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION SO MANY TIMES. YOU KNOW THERE'S A COUPLE OF WAYS TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM . LIKE KEVIN SAID, WE'RE OUTLIERS THAT OUR ROUTES ARE MUCH BIGGER THAN OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT THINK THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL IN DOING THIS AND DO IT WELL AND GET POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM THEIR COMMUNITY . OUR ROUTES ARE ROUGHLY TWICE THE SIZE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT FEEL SUCCESSFUL AND SO YOU CAN SOLVE THE PROBLEM A COUPLE OF WAYS. YOU COULD INVEST IN SEVEN NEW MACHINES AND STAFF TO OPERATE THEM OR LOOK AT AN OPTION LIKE THIS TO TO DOWNSIZE THE SIZE OF THE ROUTES. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CAME OUT IN TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION OR IF I'M JUST REINFORCING THAT FROM ANOTHER TIME. BUT THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS MY STANCE ON THIS SO MUCH SO THEN I THINK IT'S BUT MY POINT ON THIS IS NOT ABOUT CLEARING THE SIDEWALKS OR NOT. WE AS A CITY HAVE SET OURSELVES UP FOR THE LAST SIX YEARS TO GIVE OUR RESIDENTS CERTAIN EXPECTATIONS AND IT IS NOT SURPRISING THE ALSO WE'RE TRYING TO CHANGE THIS AND WE'RE GETTING THE RESPONSE THAT WE GET. AND SO MY POINT OF VIEW ON THIS IS EITHER WE'RE GOING TO DO IT OR WE'RE NOT SO WE'RE GOING TO DO IT. I WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY SNOW MACHINES IT'S GOING TO COST, HOW MANY OPERATORS DO WE NEED TO HIRE ADDITIONALLY AND WHAT THAT LEVY INCREASE IS GOING TO BE FOR THE RESIDENTS BECAUSE WE LOOK AT THAT MAP, 70% OF US ARE PAYING TO SUPPORT 30% OF THE CITY. NOT EVERYONE HAS A SIDEWALK. WE'RE ALREADY WE'RE ALREADY SUPPORTING A SMALLER PORTION OF OUR CITY AS IT IS. BUT I UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS. AND SO IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT FOR RESIDENTS ARE TELLING US THEY WANT US TO DO IT, I WANT THEM TO KNOW HOW MUCH IT COSTS AND THEN I WANT US TO DO WHAT WE HAVE DONE AND PUT IT IN WRITING AND SAY WE ARE GOING TO CLEAR YOUR SIDEWALKS. THERE'S NO MORE GRAY ON IT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AS A CITY BECAUSE YOU'VE ASKED US AND TOLD US IS WHAT YOU WANT BUT IF NO ONE WANTS TO PAY THE MONEY FOR IT THEN WE SHOULD GO BACK AND DO WHAT WE SAID WE'RE GOING TO DO ORIGINALLY BACK IN 1965 OR WHATEVER IT WAS AND RESIDENTS THAT HAVE THAT RESPONSIBILITY AS THEY SHOULD HAVE SINCE BACK THEN AND THEN WE CAN LIVE UP TO THIS AWESOME LOGO AND QUOTE THAT WE HAVE BE ONLY TOO NICE BUT THAT'S MY STANCE ON IT. IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT I WANT TO SEE US DO IT AND DO IT TO A LEVEL THAT I KNOW WE DO BECAUSE WE DO AN INCREDIBLE JOB CLEARING SNOW IN BLOOMINGTON. BUT RESIDENTS HERE KNOW HOW MUCH THAT COSTS AND HOW MUCH YOU AS A NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T HAVE THE SIDEWALK IS PAYING SO THAT YOUR OTHER NEIGHBOR CAN DO THAT. BUT IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT, THEN LET'S NOT DO IT. THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER ALSO MEMBER CARTER THANK YOU MAYOR. SO I AGREE WITH THAT SENTIMENT . I DO WANT TO KNOW IF IF WE WERE TO DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD AND CONTINUE TO DO THE RESIDENTIAL SNOWPLOWING AND WE NEEDED TO ADD OPERATORS AND EQUIPMENT, HOW MUCH I MEAN WHAT WOULD THAT ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE AND I MEAN I HONESTLY I DON'T I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO DO IT IN A DAY. I THINK 2 TO 3 DAYS IS SUFFICIENT IF THE CITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING IT. SO IF WE MADE THAT THE THE GOAL LIKE 2 TO 3 DAYS BUT IT'S STILL BE SEVEN OPERATORS WHEN IT'S STILL BE AN ADDITIONAL SEVEN PIECES OF EQUIPMENT AND THEN YEAH WHAT WOULD THAT COST ? I THINK ALL OF THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT HAS BEEN EXCELLENT AND WONDERFUL AND I READ THROUGH EVERY SINGLE COMMENT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THIS IS A VERY HOT TOPIC RIGHT NOW AND WANTED TO JUST REALLY UNDERSTAND THE PERSPECTIVES OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND OVERWHELMINGLY PEOPLE WANT TO SEE IT CONTINUE TO DO IT RIGHT. BUT I DO THINK WE'RE MISSING THAT KIND OF KEY PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT IF I'M NOT WILLING TO CONTINUE AS IS AND SO IF WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE ,WE NEED TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY AND WE NEED TO HIRE MORE PEOPLE AND HAVE MORE EQUIPMENT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE CAN DO IT SAFELY. AND SO I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE I GUESS WHAT I WOULD NEED TO SEE TO REALLY ULTIMATELY BE ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION. AND THEN WHEN WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING I WOULD LOVE FOR PEOPLE TO RESPOND TO THAT LIKE DO THEY ARE THEY LIKE OH WAIT A SECOND, THAT COST TOO MUCH MONEY AND I ACTUALLY DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT. I DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE OR LIKE NOPE WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS EQUAL TO A 2% LEVY INCREASE AND WE'RE FINE WITH THAT. LIKE WE WANT TO KEEP IT GOING . SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER COUNCILMEMBER MOMENT. THANK YOU MAYOR. SO I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND THEN A COUPLE OF COMMENTS BUT SO YOU GUYS QUOTED THE STRATEGIC PRIORITY PLAN. I GOT THE PAST PRACTICES PORTION OF IT. WHAT'S THE OTHER PORTION THAT I MISSED WAS THE CORE VALUE OF CORE VALUES OF THE TWO THAT RECORDED WHERE WE BELIEVE THAT THE COMMUNITY THRIVES WHEN ITS MEMBERS SHARE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ITS WELL-BEING AND THE OTHER WAS THE WE WON'T ALLOW PAST PRACTICES TO INTERFERE WITH THE CONSIDERATION OF NEW IDEAS AND I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HOLD MY TO THE FIRE WITH THAT. I JUST YOU KNOW, JUST JUST YOU KNOW OKAY. SO I WANT TO JUST BE SURE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE STARTING. SO THEN I'M LOOKING AT ONE OF THE MAPS HERE AT 100 A STREET AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU KNOW, TO COUNT SOME OF THOSE UNDER THOSE POINT YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF PEOPLE ASKING ME AND MY DISTRICT, HEY WE'RE WE'RE AS YOU KNOW YOU KNOW WHERE DOES THE PLOWING HAPPEN SO IF I'M LOOKING ON THIS THING HERE IT LOOKS LIKE PART OF 100 DAYS. YOU KNOW, WE'RE THE SCHOOL IS HAS PLOWING BUT THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT HANA EIGHTH WHERE I KNOW KIDS ARE GOING TO BE WALKING THEY WOULD NOT BE PLOWED RIGHT IS THAT HOW THAT WOULD WORK? SO I GUESS I GUESS WHAT I'M REALLY TRYING AT WHAT I'M REALLY TRYING TO GET AT AND WE DON'T NEED TO NECESSARILY OR IS IT THE OPPOSITE WAY AROUND BECAUSE I'M LOOKING IF I GO TO THE GO TO THE EAST IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S NO PLOWING IS RED MEAN PLOWING OR NO BLOWN? I CAN ANSWER THAT ONE COUNCILMEMBER AND I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE AREA AROUND WESTWOOD. YUP. OKAY. HUNDRED AND EIGHT ITSELF WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE LOW VOLUME RESIDENTIAL ROADS THAT WOULD BE RED AND WE WOULD STEP AWAY FROM PLOWING THAT. BUT WE DID AGREE WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO A PLOW ALL THE PERIMETERS OF THEIR THEIR PROPERTIES BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE EQUIPMENT OR THE RESOURCES TO DO IT. SO SINCE IT'S THE SAME TAX BASE WE'RE COMING BY ANYWAY. SO WE AGREED TO TAKE CARE OF THE SIDEWALKS ADJACENT TO THE SCHOOL THAT MAY BE ON THESE LOW VOLUME ROADS. IS THAT HELP ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. YEAH, BUT IT SAYS HERE THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S READ ON THERE THAT THE MY MISTAKEN HERE YEAH OH GO AHEAD MIGHT BE READ ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET YEAH BUT I MEAN IMAGINE KIDS WOULD COME THAT WAY RIGHT YES WE WE WE REALIZE THAT KIDS WILL BE WALKING ON ALL SIDEWALKS COMING UP TO THE WELL AND I MEAN AND THAT'S SORT OF PART OF MY MY ISSUE IS SOME OF THIS WAS LIKE OKAY WELL NOW IF WE DO A HUNDRED SIXTH STREET AND WE GET THAT CLEAR WELL THEN THERE'S ALL THESE STREETS THAT ARE COMING INTO IT NOW YOU'RE NOW IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET SO I GUESS THOSE ARE SOME OF MY CONCERNS THAT I HAVE WITH IT THAT YOU KNOW, WHERE DOES THIS WHERE DOES IT END IN FRONT OF THE YOU KNOW, THIS ONE SIDE BECAUSE YOU LIVE ON ONE SIDE OF THIS YOU KNOW OF THE STREET YOU GET PLOWED PUTTING THE OTHER SIDE. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF MY CONCERNS AS WE KIND OF LOOK AT THIS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MY OTHER QUESTION THEY HAD WE'VE LISTED A NUMBER OF THOSE ITEMS WHICH WOULD HAVE A SAVINGS OF FIVE BY NOT DOING THIS BUT REALLY BY REDUCING IT FROM WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY AND GETTING IT DOWN TO THAT, HOW MUCH OF A REDUCTION WOULD WE REALLY SEE IN COMP? I MEAN IS IT WOULD IT BE SIGNIFICANT? I MEAN WOULD IT BE I MEAN OBVIOUSLY IT WOULDN'T BE 95 BUT I MEAN WE TALKING YOU KNOW, 85 I MEAN SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THE AND THEN THE SIDE WE'RE WE'RE STILL DOING THE PROGRAM AND SO ON. I GUESS THE THING THAT I KIND OF I MEAN I KIND OF KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT SO I'M JUST RHETORICALLY ASKING THE QUESTION AND SO I, I GET IT. YOU KNOW, THIS IS PAST PRACTICE OF THE STAFF HAS BROUGHT FORWARD I THINK THE REAL POINT IS NOT SO MUCH THE SAVINGS. I THINK REALLY IT IS WHAT IS THE WHAT DO YOU CALL WHAT WOULD BE THE FOCUS OF STAFF AND WHAT IT'S TO BE GAINED BY KIND OF GOING DOWN THIS OTHER PATHWAY? YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS YOU KNOW I MEAN YOU LOOK AT THE AT THE YOU KNOW IN THE 94% NOT SATISFIED I IF I THINK THIS IS A HARD SELL AS IS BUT YOU KNOW WE ARE AN OUTLIER WHEN IT LOOKS LIKE YOU KNOW WHEN WE LOOK AT OTHER CITIES AND THAT TYPE OF THING, YOU KNOW AND SO IF WE DO NOTHING AND WE SAY THAT, YOU KNOW AND WE YOU KNOW, I CARE ABOUT STUDENTS GETTING TO THEIR GETTING TO THEIR CLASSROOMS WELL SO YOU'RE GOING TO WAIT 2 TO 3 DAYS, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT TO BE PLOWED SO THAT REALLY DOESN'T FIT EITHER . SO REALLY WHAT WE'RE ASKING SO AS IT IS TODAY I MEAN I THINK STAFF IS REALLY BRINGING FORWARD A GOOD POINT. WE'RE NOT MEETING OUR OBLIGATION IN TERMS OF WE'RE SAYING DOES IT REALLY MAKE SENSE TO WAIT THREE DAYS? I MEAN THAT TOTAL YOU'RE STILL YOU'RE CREATING THE SAME PROBLEM. SO I THINK THAT WE'RE ON THE RIGHT PATHWAY TO HAVING THIS CONVERSATION THE DISCUSSION. BUT I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO KIND OF LOOK AT THIS MAYBE IN A DIFFERENT TIERED SITUATION. MAYBE WE DON'T MAKE ANY CHANGES AT ALL WITH WITH WITH WITH THE OVERALL PROGRAM TODAY. BUT WE REALLY LOOK TO FOCUS ON THOSE PLACES WHERE WHERE THE SCHOOLS ARE IN HEAVILY TRAFFICKED AND WE KIND OF CREATE THAT AS THE TIER ONE AND MAYBE THERE'S OTHER TIERS OF SERVICE THAT WE PROVIDE FOR THE OTHER OTHER PARTS OF THE TO KIND OF START KIND OF CHUNKING THIS OFF AND THEN MAYBE FOR THOSE FOLKS WHO WANT TO INCREASE THAT YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT YOU KNOW THERE IS AN EXAMPLE WHERE BURNSVILLE HAS YOU PAY FOR IT. I MEAN WE CAN START LOOKING AT IF YOU WANT TO INCREASE YOUR YOU KNOW, YOUR SERVICE LEVEL THAT PEOPLE START PAYING AND TO DO THAT THAT'S JUST ONE THOUGHT TO KIND OF BECAUSE AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW AS A CITY WE'VE GOT TO KIND OF MAKE THE DISTINCTION YOU KNOW, ARE WE GOING TO BE MORE YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, LIKE A MINNEAPOLIS OR SAINT PAUL OR ROCHESTER THAT THAT KIND OF STICKS TO OUR CITY TYPE OF THINGS OR ARE WE GOING TO BE ONE OF THOSE OUTLIERS AND THIS IS ONE OF THE DISTINCTIVE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE FOR OUR AND I THINK I THINK JUST LEAVING IT AS IS IS NOT REALLY AND IF WE ARE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, GO DOWN THIS AND GET IT INTO ONE DAY, I THINK WE WERE LOOKING AT AN INCREDIBLE INCREASE WHICH I'M NOT COMFORTABLE MAKING THAT TODAY. SO I THINK WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE TIERED WAY IS THE WAY TO GO THAT WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF DOING SOFTLY WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT TO KIND OF GET GET THIS GET THIS BALL ROLLING AND THEN SOME OF THESE OTHER STREETS BECOME WE STILL DO THEM BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO WE'RE NOT GOING TO MEET OUR OBLIGATION. AND SO I THINK THAT'S MORE WHAT I'M SEEING HERE AND THAT'S MY SUGGESTION THOUGH COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO I WANTED TO TWO THINGS I WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT ON ON COUNCILMEMBER MILLER'S STATEMENT. THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS WE ARE WORKING VERY HARD IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL STREETS IN IN BLOOMINGTON HAVE SIDEWALKS. SO THE WHILE I AGREE GENERALLY SPEAKING WITH THE RULE OF LIKE SOME ARE PAYING FOR OTHER PEOPLE WHEN EVERYBODY DOESN'T HAVE A SIDEWALK WE'RE ACTIVELY TRYING TO GET THAT BUT LIKE TRYING TO SOLVE FOR THAT PROBLEM SO I'D I'D HESITATE FOR US TO USE THAT AS A REASON TO DO OR NOT DO SOMETHING WHEN THE FACT IS THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO PUT SIDEWALKS EVERYWHERE, RIGHT? SO ALL THAT HAVING BEEN SAID THERE THERE'S AN THERE'S AN THE THE ARGUMENTS THAT I'VE SEEN FOR FOR FOR BLOOMINGTON CONTINUING TO PUT THE SIDEWALK TO TO TO PLOW THE SIDEWALKS IS THAT WELL WE ARE REQUIRING THAT WE PUT THEM IN IN THE FIRST PLACE WELL OF COURSE BECAUSE WE'RE AN URBAN SUBURBAN CITY AND WE SHOULD HAVE SIDEWALKS LIKE I, I WORRY THAT THAT LIKE THIS IS A CIRCULAR ARGUMENT THAT WE WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE YOU KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT SIDEWALKS AND PEOPLE WHO DO WANT SIDEWALKS BUT WE AS A CITY COUNCIL ARE DECIDING THAT WE WANT SIDEWALKS LIKE THAT THAT THE CITY DOES NOT THAT WE PERSONALLY WANT SIDEWALKS BUT THAT THE CITY DEMAND SIDEWALKS AS A WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE MULTIPLE MULTIPLE WAYS FOR PEOPLE TO GET AROUND THE CITY SAFELY. RIGHT. ALL THAT HAVING BEEN SAID, I DID I WAS JUST DOING SOME RESEARCH MOST OF THE SIDEWALKS IN MINNEAPOLIS WERE PUT IN PLACE BY 19 2025 IT WAS 1980 UNTIL THEY CREATED AND IN A CITY WIDE ENFORCEMENT STRUCTURE FOR FOR RESIDENTS TO PLAY THEIR SITE TO TO DO THEIR SIDEWALKS. SO THAT MEANS FOR 60 YEARS THEY WERE IN THE EXACT SAME POSITION WE WERE IN AND I FIND THAT REALLY FUNNY BECAUSE WHEN I ASKED THE LIKE WHEN I LOOKED UP THE KIND OF REASONS BEHIND IT, MOST RESIDENTS SHOVELED AS A MATTER OF CIVIC HABIT NEIGHBORLY DUTY OR TO AVOID LIABILITY AND YOU KNOW THIS GOES RIGHT BACK TO THE COMMENT YOU'RE MAKING AROUND LIKE BE NICE BLOOMINGTON LIKE IF YOU HAVE AN ELDERLY NEIGHBOR I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD YOU'RE ALREADY PLOWING THEIR DRIVEWAY I'M SURE OF IT LIKE I DO FOR MY NEIGHBORS RIGHT. GO OUT THERE AND CLEAR SIDEWALKS SO SO I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS WHAT WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? RIGHT. ARE WE ARE IS OUR GOAL IN IN AS A AS A BODY TO ENFORCE A RULE THAT'S ON THE BOOKS BECAUSE I THINK WE OFTENTIMES SEEM TO HAVE THINGS ON OUR BOOKS THAT WE JUST DON'T BOTHER TO ENFORCE. SO YOU KNOW LIKE I COULD LET'S DO THAT OR NOT DO THAT RIGHT TO ME THAT'S THE QUESTION AND I THINK THAT MAYBE THAT'S WHERE YOU WERE AT WITH IT. COUNCILMEMBER MILLER IT'S LIKE DO OR DO NOT THERE IS NO TRY RIGHT HUM SO FAIR ENOUGH. IS THAT THE QUESTION THAT'S BEFORE US OR IS IT IS IT OR DO WE HAVE OUR MINDS MADE UP ON THAT? AND IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF LIKE WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT IT? LIKE DO WE EITHER REQUIRE RESIDENTS AND WE DEAL WITH THE FALLOUT FROM THAT AND WE FIGURE OUT WHETHER THERE ARE COMPANIES WE WANT TO ENTER INTO BUSINESS WITH LIKE A CONSORTIUM OF SNOW FLOWERS THAT YOU KNOW THAT THAT WILL HELP THE CITY OR IS IT YOU KNOW OR IS THERE YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ELSE WE WANT TO DO TO FUND IT OR DO WE WANT TO YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO ENFORCE AND CHARGE BECAUSE EITHER WAY ENFORCEMENT IS GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE AND WE HAVEN'T IN EITHER OF THE CONVERSATIONS I'VE BEEN A PART OF AND I KNOW THAT I MISSED THE LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD ON THIS TOPIC AND MAYBE YOU YOU TALKED ABOUT IT THEN WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT ENFORCEMENT LIKE IF WE DO DECIDE TO LIKE LET US LIKE LET RESIDENTS LIKE FORCE RESIDENTS TO DO THIS WHICH THEY SHOULD BE DOING HOW ARE WE HOW ARE WE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S HAPPENING AND WHERE'S THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT LIKE COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS, I AM STILL GOING TO ASK YOU THE SAME QUESTION I GUESS WHAT IS THE REASON THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO THIS TO TAKE CARE OF THE PARKS DURING THE WINTERTIME? IS THAT IS THAT THE DRIVING FORCE BEHIND THIS IDEA? >> MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER RIVAS MEMBERS OF COUNCIL THERE ARE A FEW REASONS. FIRST, WE AREN'T RESOURCED TO DO THE WORK WELL. WE TALKED ABOUT THE COMPLAINTS WE GET EVERY TIME IT SNOWS THE THREE DAY COMPLETION TIME IN SCHOOL ZONES THEY OFTEN AREN'T CLEARED UNTIL THAT THIRD DAY. SO KIDS ARE WALKING ON YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY THOSE LOW YOU'VE GOT LOWER VOLUME ROADS UP. WE DON'T GET TO TELL DAY THREE THEY'RE WALKING ON AND ON CITY MAINTAINED SIDEWALKS ALREADY SO IT'S BETTER SERVICE ON THE HIGHER VOLUME ROADS WHERE PEOPLE RELY ON THEM MORE WHERE IT'S NOT AS SAFE AND FEASIBLE FOR A RESIDENT TO CLEAR THEMSELVES THE SECOND REASON IS WE ARE CONTINUING TO LOOK AT WHAT WE DO, WHY WE DOT, HOW WE DO IT FOR IMPROVED EFFICIENCIES AS PARKS AND RECREATION WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SERVICE THAT WE PROVIDE THAT'S MORE THAN ANY OTHER COMMUNITY PROVIDES. HOW DO WE DO IT BETTER, MORE EFFICIENT AND THEN HAVE THIS BENEFIT OF ADDED STAFF RESOURCES FOR PARKS, FOR NATURAL RESOURCES, FOR FORESTRY THAT'S UNDER-RESOURCED TODAY AND FOR ADDITIONAL PARK PROGRAMING. KEVIN TOLD US A STORY I THINK LAST TIME WHEN THEY GOT TO A RINK EARLY WITH A FAMILY WITH SHOVELS THAT WERE SUPER HAPPY THEY SHOWED UP TO CLEAR THE RINK SO IT'S IF I MAY IF I MAY THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE I DON'T AGREE WITH THIS. WE'RE GOING TO CONCENTRATE ON KEEPING OUR RINK IN GOOD SHAPE BUT WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE THE SIDEWALKS OF PEOPLE THAT PROBABLY ARE NOT ABLE OR CAPABLE OF CLEANING UP IN CELLS OR THEY MIGHT NOT EVEN BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO PAY SOMEBODY TO CLEAN IT. IT IS A GOOD GESTURE TO SAY THAT A GOOD NEIGHBOR IS GOING TO GO HELP SOMEBODY ELSE. IN MOST CASES HE DID NOTHING HAPPEN ANY MORE. YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE JUST 2 OR 3 HOUSES DOWN THE STREET ANYMORE. IT'S NOT LIKE HE USED TO BE. SO TO HAVE THAT EXPECTATION THAT A NEIGHBOR IS GOING TO HELP ANOTHER NEIGHBOR, IT'S JUST IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME AND TO TO ACTUALLY PROVIDE THE THE STAFF TO GO CLEAN UP A RINK AND HAVE IT SO THE KIDS CAN HAVE FUN IS JUST CONTRADICTING THE WHOLE THING IN MY OPINION. I JUST THAT'S WHY I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS I REALLY CAN AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWER THOUGH LET'S REMEMBER. NELSON THANK YOU. JUST A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS. SORRY. SO I'M STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND ONE THING. SO YOUR PLAN IS IF WE HAVE RESIDENTS TO SHOVEL SOME OF THE SIDEWALKS WITH EXISTING RESOURCES WE CAN GET THE PRIORITY AREAS DONE WITHIN ONE DAY. IS THAT ACCURATE? ACCURATE? WHY CAN'T WE JUST CHANGE OUR WORKFLOW AND JUST DO THOSE PRIORITY AREAS ON DAY ONE AND THEN GO DO THE LOW VOLUME ONES ON DAY 2 OR 3 OR FRANKLY FOR I DON'T CARE CAN WE JUST CHANGE OUR WORKFLOW TO ADDRESS THAT AND NOT PUT THIS BURDEN BECAUSE I THINK THESE WHAT I HEARD IS THESE OTHER ROADS ARE LOW PEDESTRIAN VOLUME LOW TRAFFIC VOLUME SO THE RISKS ARE MUCH LOWER IF THOSE GET CLEARED LATER. IS THERE A REASON WHY WE CAN'T JUST CHANGE OUR WORKFLOW, USE EXISTING RESOURCES AND SET EXPECTATIONS PARTICULARLY ALSO I THINK I HEARD THAT THE COMPLAINTS ARE SOMEWHAT LARGELY RELATED TO MY KIDS WALKING TO SCHOOL AND IT'S NOT CLEARED UNTIL THREE DAYS. SO IS THERE A REASON WHY WE CAN'T JUST RETHINK HOW WE PERFORM? I'LL START AND I'LL LET DAVE ADD MORE CONTEXT. PART OF THE THE WORKFLOW IS THIS TIMING IN SINKING WITH STREET PLOWS SO THEY PRIORITIZE THOSE HIGH TRAFFIC AREAS AND THEN THERE'S THREE PLOWING THAT'S REQUIRED AS A RESULT OF STREET PLOWING THAT REQUIRES OUR SIDEWALK PLOWS TO COME BACK. THE WHOLE PROCESS BEING UNDERRESOURCED. WE'VE GOT NOT ENOUGH MACHINES OUT AND NOT ENOUGH DRIVERS TO COMPLETE IN A DAY OR YOU KNOW, UPWARDS OF THREE DAYS. SO THE SAME SEVEN PEOPLE ARE IN A SIDEWALK MACHINE FOR THREE DAYS, 12 HOUR SHIFTS AND THAT WAS PART OF MY ANSWER THAT I'D LIKE TO REALLY PROVIDE HERE TOO. BESIDES THE BETTER SERVICE MORE EFFICIENT SYNCHRONIZED WITH STREET PLOWING ON THE HIGH VOLUME ROADS IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE NOT STAFFED APPROPRIATELY. WE TALKED ABOUT WORKMAN'S COMPENSATION. WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE JUST ADDITIVE EFFECTS OF SITTING IN THESE MACHINES FOR 12 HOURS STRAIGHT FOR TEN YEARS STRAIGHT. I MEAN THESE ARE ALL YOU KNOW, PART OF THE CAN PART OF THE CONSIDERATIONS OF JUST WHY THE PROGRAMS AREN'T REALLY SET UP TO BE SUCCESSFUL. SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING A CHANGE THAT PROVIDES A SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM, MAXIMIZES SERVICE WITH THE EXISTING STAFF RESOURCES. WE'VE MENTIONED AN ALTERNATIVE THAT COUNCIL HAS BROUGHT UP. WE HAVE NOT GIVEN THAT A SIGNIFICANT REVIEW OTHER THAN WE KNOW THE COST OF A SIDEWALK MACHINE AND HOW MANY SIDEWALK PLOWING MACHINES WE NEED TO DO THE ROUTE IN ONE DAY WITH THAT 13 TO 15 MILE ROUTE SIZE AND THAT'S A APPROXIMATE INVESTMENT OF 1.4 MILLION. WE DID SEND OUT BUDGET NUMBERS THAT I'M NOT RECALLING RIGHT NOW OF WHAT WE BUDGET. I THINK IT'S BETWEEN TWO AND 300,000 FOR SIDEWALK MACHINE MAINTENANCE AND REPLACEMENT FOR OUR FLEET. THAT'S AN ANNUAL COST THAT WOULD GO UP. WE HAVEN'T CALCULATED WHAT THAT WOULD BE AND WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW WE ANTICIPATED ADDITIONAL STAFF WOULD BE REQUIRED BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS WITH STAFF WE HAVE VERSUS STAFF WE NEED. SO THAT ANALYSIS HASN'T BEEN DONE. WHAT THE REQUEST TO IS TONIGHT IS TO AUTHORIZE THE PROPOSED SIDEWALK PLAN. THE PUBLIC HEARING THEN WOULD BE TO DO A CODE AMENDMENT TO CLEAN UP BASICALLY HOW THE CODE IS IMPLEMENTED. THE 24 HOUR CLEARING I THINK WOULD REMAIN THE SAME. IT PROVIDES OTHER STAFF TO DO FOLLOW UP ON COMPLIANCE AND ENFORCEMENT AND I KNOW THAT WAS BROUGHT UP TONIGHT. WE ARE INTENDING TO MAKE THIS AN EDUCATION BASED EFFORT, NOT A COMPLIANCE EFFORT. WE'VE HEARD I THINK IT'LL THERE'LL BE SOME CHALLENGES IN COMPLIANCE AS WE MAKE A BIG CHANGE LIKE THIS. I'M RECOGNIZING THIS IS A HARD DECISION AND A BIG CHANGE OUT OF THE GATE. THERE WILL BE A LOT OF EXTRA EDUCATION AND INFORMATION SHARING TO PROPERTY OWNERS, OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE A CHANGE LIKE THIS IN PLACE FOR LONGER SEE YOU KNOW, A PRETTY SMALL NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS. ONE OTHER THING I WANTED JUST TO MENTION IS FOR MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER DALLESSANDRO, HOW DO YOU KNOW IF YOU HAVE A SIDEWALK WORK ON YOUR PROPERTY OR WHO'S IMPACTED? WE HAVE AN INTERACTIVE MAP ON LET'S TALK THAT WE IF THIS IS APPROVED WE WOULD SHARE AND MAKE MORE AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE BUT YOU CAN ZOOM IN AND OUT OR PUT IN YOUR ADDRESS TO SEE IF YOU'RE ON A A ROUTE OR NOT. SO I WANTED TO SHARE THAT THAT RESOURCE WAS AVAILABLE AS WELL . COUNCILMEMBER NELSON LET'S COUNCILMEMBER NELSON, I APPRECIATE YOUR ANSWER. I'LL BE HONEST I STILL DON'T GET IT. I MEAN I THINK I WOULD IF YOU'RE TELLING ME YOU CAN CLEAR THEM IN ONE DAY WITH THE SAME RESOURCES, WHY CAN'T WE CLEAR THEM IN ONE DAY WITH THE SAME RESOURCES AND THEN JUST GO DO THE OTHER ONES LATER? SO I JUST HONESTLY I'M STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT MORE BUT I COULD. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON THIS IS SUCH A COMPLEX ISSUE AND THERE'S SO MANY MESSAGES EMBEDDED INTO IT. SO WHEN WE SAY ONE DAY COMPLETION WE MEAN GETTING THROUGH THE ROUTE IN ONE DAY AND COMING BACK AND BEING ABLE TO CLEAN THINGS UP. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC IS WE DON'T GET THERE FAST ENOUGH AND WE DON'T DO IT GOOD ENOUGH. WE'RE NOT ABLE TO GO BACK AND CLEAN EVERYTHING UP. SO RIGHT NOW WE IN FACT DO STRIVE FOR THREE DAYS COMPLETION ON MOST THINGS BUT THAT'S ONLY GETTING THROUGH IT ONCE AND THINGS GET MESSED UP AND WE GET WE GET NUMEROUS CALLS AND INQUIRIES ABOUT SIDEWALKS THAT WE PLOWED THE FIRST DAY THAT ARE MESSED UP THAT WE DON'T HAVE A CHANCE TO GET BACK TO AND CLEAN UP. SO WHEN WE SAY ONE DAY COMPLETION THAT MEANS WE WANT TO GET THROUGH THE ROUTE ONE DAY IN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME LIKE WE GET THROUGH ALL OF THE STREETS AND ALL THE CUL DE SACS AND THEN COME BACK THE NEXT DAY AND DO ANY TOUCH UPS OR CLEAN UP. SO I JUST THANKS FOR GIVING ME A CHANCE TO CLEAR THAT UP. I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM AND I HEAR THAT THE OTHER THING THAT IS PART OF OUR PRIORITIES NOW IS WE DO PRIORITIZE ALL THE WALK AREAS AROUND SCHOOLS WHETHER THEY ARE HIGH VOLUME ROADS OR THE QUIETEST NEIGHBORHOOD ROADS WE PLOW EVERYTHING WHERE A STUDENT MIGHT WALK EVEN THOUGH THOSE SIDEWALKS WHERE STUDENTS USE THOSE LOW VOLUME SIDEWALKS THEY'RE KIND OF THEY'RE NOT CONSISTENT. THERE MIGHT BE ONE ROAD AND SO KIDS HAVE TO WALK DOWN MANY OTHER SIDE STREETS TO GET TO A SIDEWALK AND I TEND TO THINK THAT MAYBE THEY DON'T ALWAYS DO THAT. THEY JUST TAKE THE SHORTEST ROUTE. SO THAT IS PART OF OUR FIRST PRIORITY RUN AT THINGS AND SO WE SPENT SOME TIME DOING THAT BEFORE WE EVEN GET ON TO THE MAJOR ROADS LIKE ALL CHARTER P PORTLAND NICOLLET SO THANK YOU FOR THAT ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION. MY LAST QUESTION HERE QUICKLY IS DO WE TRACK THE LOCATIONS OF SOD DAMAGE INJURIES, THINGS OF THAT? IS THAT AND CAN THAT INFORMATION BE USED TO PINPOINT SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS WITH THE SIDEWALKS THEMSELVES? CAN IT BE USED TO INFORM THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM WITH THE SIDEWALK IF WE SAY THESE AREN'T GOOD SIDEWALKS WE'RE HAVING A TON OF PROBLEMS HERE. DO WE USE THAT INFORMATION TO I MEAN COULD WE JUST IMPROVE THE SIDEWALK AND REDUCE A LOT OF THOSE IN THAT WAY? I CAN ANSWER THAT. CALL SOMEONE ELSE A GREAT QUESTION. WE DO DO THAT ANNUALLY. WE SURVEY OUR SIDEWALKS. OUR STREET MAINTENANCE FOLKS HAVE A CONTRACT AND THEY THEY ADJUST ALL THOSE KICKS OR REPLACE AS NEEDED. BUT THEN WINTER HAPPENS AND THINGS MOVE AROUND WITH FROST AND CREATES NEW HAZARDS. BUT YEAH WE DO TRY AND STAY IN TUNE WITH THAT FOR SURE BUT COUNCILMEMBER LEMON AND COUNCILMEMBER CARTER COUNCILMEMBER SO I GUESS MY MY I WOULD JUST SAY THIS YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS BUT I JUST THIS REMINDS ME A LOT OF WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT REDOING OUR SPRINKLING PROGRAM I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE I HOPE I'M WRONG. I MEAN I ALSO I THINK WE HAVE A ROOM FULL OF SCREAMING PEOPLE AND AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE REALLY UPSET ABOUT THIS CHANGE. I THINK WE'VE GOT TO JUST FIND A WAY TO BE A LITTLE MORE INCREMENTAL ABOUT THIS OR FIND A DIFFERENT WAY OF GOING ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I JUST I THINK I THINK JUST KIND OF TURNING THIS OFF, YOU KNOW, ONE WAY BY DOING THIS FOR SO MANY YEARS AND I KNOW THIS IS A PAST PRACTICE BUT I JUST I JUST DON'T THINK THIS IS THE WAY TO TO KIND OF GO DOWN THIS ROUTE. I JUST I GET WHERE WE'RE TRYING WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AND WHY WE'RE SUCH AN OUTLIER IN THAT TYPE OF THING. BUT I JUST THINK IT'S IT'S A VERY UNPOPULAR WE'VE WE'VE BUILT A VERY POPULAR PROGRAM WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE VERY UPSET AND VERY ANGRY ABOUT DOING THAT. SO LET'S I THINK WE FIND IT ANOTHER WAY TO KIND OF GO DOWN THIS ROUTE OF GETTING IT DONE KIND OF PIECEMEAL OUR WAY INTO IT I JUST I JUST FEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, OTHER COUNCILS HAVE KIND OF COME TO THE SAME THING OR WE'RE JUST GOING TO TURN IT OFF ONE DAY. I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S I DON'T THINK THAT'S FEASIBLE OR IS GOING TO WORK. SO I JUST ONE COUNCILMEMBERS POINT OF VIEW BUT I SEE WHERE STAFF'S TRYING TO GO AND I JUST DON'T SEE IT THIS WAY IN TERMS OF TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IT. COUNCILMEMBER CARTER THANK YOU MAYOR. I SAID A CLARIFYING QUESTION SO YOU'RE ASKING US TO AUTHORIZE THE NEW CITY OF BLOOMINGTON SO OUR PLOWING PLAN BUT THEN WE ALSO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON AUGUST 4TH AND SO IS THE THE PUBLIC HEARING IS JUST TO IS TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE TO ALIGN WITH THE NEW BLOOMINGTON SIDEWALK PLOWING PLAN. MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER CARTER YES. IT'S REALLY TO MAKE SOME CHANGES TO ALLOW FOR IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PLAN. THE 24 HOUR COMPLETION BY RESIDENTS IS IN THERE BUT IT'S SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE TO ALLOW THE COMPLIANCE SIDE OF IT TO BE IMPLEMENTED. OKAY. BUT THE COMPLIANCE SIDE IS MORE EDUCATION, RIGHT? OKAY. YEAH. SO I GUESS I DON'T FEEL COMFTABLE SUPPORTING THIS TONIGHT MOSTLY BECAUSE I DO THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE SIDEWALKS CLEAR ACROSS THE CITY AND I HONESTLY I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IT WOULD COST US TO CONTINUE TO TO PLOW RESIDENTIAL SIDEWALKS BUT DO IT IN THE RIGHT WAY. AND SO BEFORE I FEEL LIKE I CAN SUPPORT THIS PLAN, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO REALLY WEIGH THAT LIKE IF IT REALLY IS GOING TO COST US IF WE SAY OUR GOAL IS THAT THEY'D BE CLEARED AND YOU KNOW 72 HOURS BUT WE'RE ONLY DOING 13 OUR ROUTES OR 12 HOUR SO I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT THE MILES MILES THE 12 MILE ROUTES YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD THAT COST BE? AND I UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AND I'M GLAD WE ARE BECAUSE I THINK EVER SINCE I JOINED COUNCIL IN 2020 THIS HAS BEEN SIMMERING AND SO IT'S BEEN A QUESTION WE'VE BEEN ASKING OURSELVES EVERY TIME THE BUDGET COMES AROUND WE'RE LIKE WELL WE COULD YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE DON'T DO THE RESIDENTIAL SNOWPLOWING ANYMORE AND WE JUST KEEP DOING IT BECAUSE IT'S A HARD CONVERSATION AND OUR ORDINANCE DOES SAY THAT WE DON'T DO IT. SO RIGHT NOW OUR OPERATIONS ARE NOT IN ALIGNMENT WITH OUR ORDINANCE WHICH IS A REASON FOR US TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE AT MINIMUM WE NEED TO BRING THEM INTO ALIGNMENT. BUT YEAH, FOR ME TO MAKE THE DECISION I REALLY REALLY WANT TO KNOW WHAT THAT COST WOULD BE IF WE JUST CONTINUED TO DO IT BUT IN THE RIGHT WAY AND IF YOU'RE LIKE HEY IT'S GOING TO BE X DOLLARS A YEAR AND I JUST THINK THAT THAT'S I MEAN MAYBE I WILL SAY NO YOU'RE RIGHT THAT'S WAY TOO EXPENSIVE. WE JUST CAN'T MANAGE THAT. AND I THINK OTHER RESIDENTS PROBABLY WOULD SAY THE SAME THING BETWEEN YOU KNOW, THE COSTS NOT JUST IN THE STAFF TIME, THE EQUIPMENT BUT ALSO WORKER'S COMP REPAIRING SIDE LIKE ALL THE THINGS AND I JUST I THINK IT'D BE IT'D BE NICE IF WE ALMOST HAD LIKE A SLIDE THAT JUST SHOWED IT VERY CLEARLY SO THAT WE CAN MAKE THE DECISION. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M IN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK AND ALL THE COMMITTEE ENGAGEMENT. AGAIN, IT'S A GREAT CONVERSATION FOR US TO HAVE AND IT'S A DIFFICULT ONE AND SO JUST APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT HAS GONE INTO THIS. THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER SO COUNCIL WHEN I WHEN I STARTED ON THE COUNCIL ALL THESE YEARS AGO NOW THE TWO THINGS THAT JUST ABSOLUTELY SHOCKED ME WERE FIRST OF ALL THAT THE PERKINS AT 494 IN FRANCE SERVES BEER AND WINE I HAD NO IDEA AND THAT BLOOMINGTON SHOVELED THE SIDEWALKS FOR PEOPLE I MEAN WE'RE IN WE'RE IN MINNESOTA SHOVELING YOUR OWN SIDEWALK. I MEAN THIS IS NOT EVEN A QUESTION IN MY MIND ABOUT WHAT SHOULD BE HAPPENING. BUT AND EVEN THE CODE SAYS THAT EVEN OUR CITY CODE SAYS IT. BUT FOR HOW MANY DECADES NOW THE CITY HAS BEEN SHOVELING THE SIDEWALKS FOR RESIDENTS AND I THINK BASED ON THE FEEDBACK WE'VE RECEIVED BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US HERE AND THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD, I GUESS THE BEST ANALOGY IS TALKING TO A REALLY SMART LAWYER FRIEND OF MINE ABOUT A DIFFERENT ISSUE AND SHE USED THE PHRASE THE JUICE ISN'T WORTH THE SQUEEZE AND I THINK THAT'S THE CASE HERE. I MEAN THIS IS THIS IS A BIG CHANGE. IT'S GOING TO AFFECT A LOT OF PEOPLE AND FRANKLY FOR THE IF THERE WAS ANOTHER ZERO BEHIND THAT $60,000 PERHAPS. BUT THE FACT THAT IT'S LESS THAN $100,000 AND I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS REALLY WORTH THE AGGRAVATION THAT WE'RE BRINGING IT UPON HERSELF. I, I AGREE COMPLETELY WITH THE NOTION OF IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT THEN LET'S DO IT CORRECTLY AND LET'S SHARE THOSE COSTS WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE AND WE WANT TO PROTECT OUR EMPLOYEES. WE WANT TO DO IT AND WE WANT TO DO IT RIGHT AND WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SIDEWALKS PASSABLE FOR FOLKS WITHIN A DAY OR TWO OR WHATEVER WE PUT OUT AS OUR AS OUR AS OUR GOAL . BUT TO TO KEEP DOING IT THE WAY IT IS I DON'T THINK IS TENABLE TO MAKE THIS CHANGE I DON'T THINK IS TENABLE. I THINK COUNCILMEMBER NELSON, YOUR COMMENT ABOUT ARE THERE OTHER OPERATIONAL CHANGES THAT COULD BE MADE WHICH I'M SURE OUR OUR FOLKS HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT FOR YEARS AND TRYING TO FIGURE A WAY THEIR WAY THROUGH THIS. BUT AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, I JUST DON'T I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS WITH GIVEN THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED FROM OUR COMMUNITY ABOUT THIS. I JUST DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN DO THIS. COUNCILMEMBER D'ALESSANDRO TO COMMENTS ON YOURS ON YOUR STATEMENTS THERE MR. MAYOR, IF THAT'S OKAY. THE FIRST ONE I WOULD SAY IS I MEAN I THINK I AGREE WITH YOU IN THAT I NOT BEING FROM HERE BUT LIKE LIKE I SAID, BEING FROM PLACES THAT DO THIS THAT AREN'T EVEN LIKE MINNESOTA, I AM VERY SURPRISED THAT WE HAVE SUCH PUSHBACK FROM THE GREAT WHITE NORTH. I HAVE TO BE THING ON PLOWING YOUR OWN SIDEWALKS. HAVING SAID THAT, MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE THAT I THINK WE HAVE HEARD FROM ESPECIALLY OUR SENIOR POPULATION I THINK THEY DIDN'T HAVE SIDEWALKS WHEN THEY BOUGHT THE PLACE SO THEY'RE LIKE OH IT'S NEW TO ME AND YOU PUT THIS ON ME AND YOU MADE ME PAY FOR CURVING GUTTER WITH A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT AND NOW YOU'RE TELLING ME TO PLOW MY STUFF AND SO I HAVE EMPATHY FOR THE SITUATION WE PUT THEM INTO WHICH IS THAT THESE ARE GROWING PAINS OF A CITY THAT THEY MAY OR MAY NOT NECESSARILY ENDORSE. ALL THAT HAVING BEEN SAID, I STILL THINK WE NEED SIDEWALKS EVERYWHERE IN THE CITY. SO YOU KNOW, WE ARE MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION. THAT'S JUST A PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AND FOR ALL THE RIGHT REANS. SO SO I I'M NOT SURE THAT THE NUMBER THAT YOU ARE SAYING IS TRULY ACCURATE. I THINK THERE'S WHY COUNCILMEMBER CARTER'S ASKING FOR LIKE WHAT THE TRUE COST IS BECAUSE I HEARD THREE DIFFERENT NUMBERS TONIGHT THAT I HADN'T EVEN HEARD THE LAST TIME. SO THE 60,000 NUMBER IS THE ACTUAL SAVINGS NUMBER, RIGHT? BUT WE HAVE THE MACHINES THAT WE WOULD NO LONGER USE. WE ALSO HAVE THE POTENTIAL FOR DEFERRED OR FOR REDUCED WORKMAN'S COMPENSATION CLAIMS AND TIME LOST BY THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO TAKE TIME OFF. WE YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT MORE TO THAT NUMBER AND I THINK I HEARD 38,000 SOMEWHERE IN ANOTHER 45,000 SOMEWHERE ELSE WHATEVER. SO LIKE I THINK THAT NUMBER IS MORE LIKE EVEN EVEN IF WE WERE DOCUMENTING IT RIGHT NOW IT'S PROBABLY IN THE $250,000 RANGE. SO I DON'T WANT TO DISMISS THAT NUMBER AS NOT A THING NOT TO CRITICIZE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BUT MAYBE THAT STILL DOESN'T RISE TO THE THE POINT YOU'RE MAKING OF JUICE AND SQUEEZE BUT IT IS MORE NOT MORE A MORE SIGNIFICANT A NUMBER AND SO LIKE THAT'S WHY THIS IS HARD RIGHT BECAUSE THEY ARE REAL DOLLARS I MEAN 250,000 IS IT LIKE A THIRD OF OUR A THIRD OF A POINT ON OUR LEVY OR WHATEVER IT IS? RIGHT. IT'S NOT NOTHING AND WHAT YOU CAN'T QUANTIFY IN THERE IS THE IS THE BURDEN ON STAFF. >> SO THAT MEANING JUST THE EMOTIONAL BURDEN, THE LABOR BURDEN, THE WHAT DID YOU HOW DID YOU PUT IT EVERY SEASON 12 HOURS A DAY FOR TEN YEARS LIKE IN A BOX THAT DESTROYS YOUR SPINE? >> I DON'T KNOW LIKE THAT'S A LOT TO ASK SOMEBODY TO DO AND THEN TO GET A BUNCH OF CRITICISM THAT WE DON'T DO IT RIGHT WHICH BY THE WAY I'M HOPING THAT IF WE DECIDE TO SUPPORT THIS GOING FORWARD THOSE WILL STOP BECAUSE YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. RIGHT? SO I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS I THINK WE SHOULD GET A HEY ,WE'RE GOING TO A FULLY BUILT OUT SIDEWALK COMMUNITY. WHAT IS THE COST OF MAINTAINING SIDEWALKS ON BEHALF OF OUR RESIDENTS ON A YEARLY BASIS AND WE SHOULD TRY TO GET THAT NUMBER PLUS OR -10% AND WE SHOULD PUT THAT IN FRONT OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE GOING TO COME TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND TELL US TO KEEP IT BECAUSE THEN THEY'LL KNOW HOW MUCH THEY'RE GOING TO BE ASKED TO PAY FOR IT. THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION. SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY HERE COUNCIL FOR FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US TONIGHT IS WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO AUTHORIZE THE NEW CITY BLOOMINGTON SNOWPLOW PLAN ON AUGUST 4TH WOULD BE A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING CHANGING THE CODE. AND SO IT'S WE'RE NOT APPROVING WE'RE NOT HAVING CITY WE'RE NOT HEARING A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING THE PLAN. IT WOULD BE ON WHETHER OR NOT TO CHANGE THE CODE AND THE CODE. I THINK EITHER WAY I MEAN EVEN IF WE CONTINUE THE WAY WE'RE DOING IT NOW, WE SHOULD PROBABLY CHANGE THE CODE JUST TO BE IN A CONSISTENT MANNER. THERE TO TO CHANGE IT AND SAY YOU KNOW, TO STRIKE OUT TO THE POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS HAVE GOT TO THEY HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR OWN SIDEWALK WITHIN 24 HOURS. SO I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR ON THAT TONIGHT WE'RE DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT THE THE PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD WHEN WE GET TO AUGUST 4TH ONE WAY OR ANOTHER WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE THIS PUBLIC HEARING ON CHANGING THE CODE EITHER TO ELIMINATE IT OR TO TO KEEP IT AS IT IS. AND PROBABLY IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO ELIMINATE IT TO TO BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING. SO WE'RE VERY CLEAR ON THAT. SO VERY QUICKLY FOLKS WERE PUSHING 9:00 HERE NOW. YEAH, MAYOR I THINK I THINK IF WE IF WE'RE GOING TO I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD JUST ELIMINATE IT THOUGH I THINK WE SHOULD PUT INTO LAW WHAT IT IS THAT WE ARE COMMITTING TO THEN IF WE'RE GOING TO IF WE'RE GOING TO IN OTHER WORDS IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT ON I.E. ELIMINATE THE THING THAT SAYS IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY THEN WE SHOULD DEFINE VERY CLEARLY WHAT IS AND ISN'T WHAT WE'RE DOING INCLUDING POTENTIALLY PUTTING A MORATORIUM ON NEW SIDEWALKS. SO LIKE THIS IS CAVEATED THAT LIKE THIS IS FOR TODAY BUT GOING FORWARD IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. SO THERE'S NO COMMENT OR QUESTION OR ANYTHING FOR ANYBODY GOING FORWARD. I JUST THROW THOSE THINGS OUT THERE VERY QUICKLY TO SAY LIKE MAYBE WE CAN DO BETTER THAN JUST ELIMINATING IT AND LEAVING IT VERY VAGUE. >> THANKS FOR THE FEEDBACK COUNCILMEMBER LOHMANN SO I JUST WANT IT CLEAR SAYS 5.2 HERE SAYS AUTHORIZE NEW CITY OF BLOOMINGTON SIDEWALK PLOWING PLAN THOSE ARE JUST THE CODE AND THE CODE WOULD BE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON AUGUST 4TH. OH THIS IS THE PLAN THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT WITH WE JUST SAID OKAY THE VISION BE GOING FORWARD. OKAY SO THIS IS THE ASKING FOR APPROVAL. OKAY. I'M CLEAR ON WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON. OKAY. OKAY. SO WHY DON'T WE LET LET'S GET A MOTION ON THIS AND GET IT ON THE TABLE AND HAVE A VOTE ON THIS EITHER UP OR DOWN AND THEN WE CAN EXPECT THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE YOU ALL THE AUGUST 4TH PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL. SO DOES SOMEBODY WANT TO MOVE THE AUTHORIZATION OF THE NEW CITY OF BLOOMINGTON SIDEWALK PLOWING PLAN? I'LL MOVE IT TO GET IT OUT THERE. ALL RIGHT. SO SO COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN WITH THE MOTION, COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO WITH THE SECOND TO AUTHORIZE THE NEW CITY OF BLOOMINGTON SIDEWALK PLOWING PLAN. I THINK WE'VE ALL SET OUR PIECE BUT I'LL ASK IT ONE MORE TIME. ANY ADDITIONAL COUNCIL COMMENT ON THIS HEARING? NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED NAY MOTION FAILS 027 SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS. I APPRECIATE IT. WE ALL DO AND WE APPRECIATE THE CONSIDERATION THAT WENT INTO IT AND WE I THINK THIS THIS CONVERSATION MAY CONTINUE IN A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT WAYS IN THE FUTURE BUT FOR NOW I THINK WE'RE WE'RE MOVING FORWARD AS WE WERE. SO THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. IS THERE A PROCEDURAL QUESTION AROUND WHAT HAPPENS ON AUGUST 4TH THEN? I MEAN DID WE WANT TO DIRECT STAFF TO TO PULL TOGETHER SOMETHING THAT WE COULD THEN AS A MATTER SHINE CAN YOU HELP US WITH THAT? MAYOR MEMBERS I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE SAME THING SO AT THIS POINT STAFF I MY TAKEAWAY WOULD BE THAT STAFF WOULD BE PREPARING A MOTION PREPARING AN ORDINANCE TO REMOVE THE LANGUAGE THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE CODE ABOUT CLEARING SIDEWALKS WITHIN X NUMBER OF HOURS AND WOULD COME BACK WITH A PROGRAM OR EXCUSE ME AN ORDINANCE THAT REFLECTS THE PROGRAMATIC DISCUSSION YOU HAD TONIGHT BUT CERTAINLY WOULD REMOVE THE CURRENT COMPLIANCE OBLIGATION. WHAT I'M NOT SURE ABOUT IS BASED ON SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU'VE PROVIDED TONIGHT DO YOU WANT TO SEE ANY OTHER OPTIONS PROVIDED DURING THE PROVIDED IN THE PACKET BECAUSE WE WOULD NEED TO PUBLISH THAT AND GET IT OUT THERE. COUNCILMEMBER CARTER I GUESS I'M STRUGGLING BECAUSE I DON'T IT'S I KIND OF FEEL LIKE WE DIDN'T REALLY FINISH THE CONVERSATION. I, I FEEL LIKE TONIGHT WE HAD A CHOICE IN FRONT OF US TO VOTE ON THE PLAN OR NOT AND I JUST DON'T THINK WE WERE READY TO VOTE ON THE PLAN. I DON'T THINK IT'S LIKE NECESSARY YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE MAYBE SOME OF US WERE TOTALLY READY AND THAT WAS LIKE BUT I MAY HAVE BEEN CONVINCED TO VOTE DIFFERENTLY IF I WOULD HAVE HAD MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT IT WILL COST TO OPERATE AS WE ARE NOW ONLY WITH MORE RESOURCES. SO I GUESS I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE LIKE I IT'S NOT THAT I'M TOTALLY OPPOSED TO WHAT STAFF PUT FORWARD. IT'S JUST I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE I HAD ALL OF THE INFORMATION NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION TO SUPPORT THE PLAN TONIGHT WHICH I FEEL LIKE I'M SEEING HEADS NOD SO I DON'T KNOW IF I MEAN I WOULD ALMOST MAYBE PROPOSE THAT WE JUST LIKE CANCEL THE PUBLIC HEARING, DELAY IT AND COME BACK WITH MORE LIKE WITH MORE INFORMATION FROM STAFF RELATED TO BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL AGREED THAT WE CAN'T JUST CONTINUE TO DO WHAT WE'RE DOING WHERE WE HAVE UNSAFE CONDITIONS FOR STAFF. RIGHT. I THINK WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY AND SO IT'S EITHER LIKE WE GO WITH THE PROPOSED STAFF PROPOSED PLAN OF DISCONTINUING OR WE CONTINUE BUT WE NEED THESE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES AND THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST IS MANAGING MAYOR MEMBERS I BELIEVE THAT THE CITY IS WALKING AROUND FINDING OUT IF AUGUST 4TH HAS ANY SIGNIFICANT VISIT IN MAYOR AND COUNCILMEMBERS. I'D ACTUALLY LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT WE STRETCH THIS OUT A BIT SO WE CAN DO MORE WORK AND POSSIBLY CONNECT THIS TO SOME OF THE BUDGET WORK THAT WE ARE DOING MOVING FORWARD AND BRING BACK TO YOU SOME OTHER SOLUTIONS TO WORK THROUGH IN ADDITION TO A FINAL FOR NOW CHANGE TO THE CODE. I THINK THAT MAKES GOOD SENSE. VERY QUICKLY, COUNCILMEMBER, JUST JUST TO CLARIFY, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE WE DON'T HAVE WE NEED TO TAKE TIME TO GET THOSE NUMBERS AVAILABLE TO US. SO SO IF WE'RE IF I'M THINKING THIS THROUGH, MR. MAYOR, I'M THINKING THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE WANT THE WE WANT THE NUMBERS OF WHAT AN ACTUAL SNOWPLOWING PLAN LOOKS LIKE IF WE DO IT ALL IN WITH THE PLAN GOING FORWARD WITH THE SIDEWALKS THAT ARE COMING ETC., ETC. WITH THE WITH A VARIETY OF SLA OPTIONS THAT WOULD GIVE US LIKE GOOD BETTER BEST RATE AND THEN IF WE SAY NO TO THAT THEN THEN WE LEAVE THE CODE AS IT IS AND WE ACTUALLY DO THE EDUCATION PLAN AM I OKAY? VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS COUNCIL STAFF? ARE WE CLEAR? VERY GOOD. OUR FINAL ITEM TONIGHT COUNCIL IS THAT IN 5.3 ARE CITY COUNCIL POLICY AND ISSUE UPDATE. I HAVE TWO THINGS TO REPORT ON AT OUR LISTENING SESSION THIS EVENING. WE HEARD FROM MR. MIKE LIST. WE'VE HEARD FROM MR. LIST IN THE PAST AND HE'S TALKED TO US REGARDING GROUP HOME LICENSING ISSUES ESPECIALLY IN HIS NEIGHBORHOOD AS THEY ARE BUT HIS PROPERTY AND OTHER PROPERTIES AND HE DESCRIBED IT VERY WELL. I THINK THAT SOME OF THESE THESE HOMES, THESE RENTAL HOMES, THESE GROUP HOMES THAT THAT AREN'T MONITORED OR KEPT UP OR SUPERVISED IN THE WAY THAT THEY SHOULD BE BASICALLY THEY'RE A DETRIMENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING SERVED BY THESE HOMES. AND HE HAD A SERIES OF QUESTIONS ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS. BUT FOR THE MOST PART I THINK IT WAS MR. LIST JUST KIND OF EXPRESSING FRUSTRATION BECAUSE HE'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW AND HE JUST CAN'T GET I THINK A CONSISTENT OR REASONABLE ANSWER NOT FROM THE CITY BUT MORE FROM THE STATE AND FROM HENNEPIN COUNTY WHO ARE THE ONES WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR HOMES LIKE THIS. SO THANK YOU TO MR. LIST FOR BEING THERE THIS EVENING AND HE WAS OUR ONLY SPEAKER AT THESE LISTENING SESSION. AND THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THIS THURSDAY YOU ARE CORDIALLY INVITED TO CELEBRATE THE CITY CREATE THE CITYWIDE CREATIVE PLACEMAKING PLAN APPROVAL SO THE 16TH OF JULY RIGHT HERE AT CIVIC PLAZA 4 TO 6 P.M. IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A CELEBRATION. IT'S BEEN A LONG ROAD FOR OUR FRIENDS IN CREATIVE PLACEMAKING FROM THEIR SPECIFIC WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE OVER IN THE SOUTH LOOP TO NOW A CITYWIDE FOCUS AND THEY HAVE A CREATIVE PLACEMAKING PLAN THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THIS COUNCIL AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE CELEBRATION ON THURSDAY NIGHT. SO WEDNESDAY THE 16TH IS WHAT I MEANT TO SAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT WEDNESDAY THE 16TH NICE SKETCH BUT YOU'RE ALL INVITED AND AS IS ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO STOP BY AND THANK AND CONGRATULATE OUR FRIENDS WITH CREATIVE PLACEMAKING THAT IS WHAT I HAVE MISS IT IN ALL RIGHT. A FEW THINGS TO BRING TO THE PUBLIC'S ATTENTION AND A LOT OF THANK YOU'S TO GO AROUND THIS PAST WEEK A BIG THANK YOU TO OUR PUBLIC WORKS TEAM MY UTILITY SERVICE SPECIALIST TEAM, THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS UTILITY STAFF ALONG WITH FIRE AND POLICE AND ALL OF OUR FRONT DESK PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN TAKING A LOT OF PHONE CALLS BECAUSE THEY WERE RESPONDING TO UNFORTUNATELY AN UNMARKED GAS MAIN HIT THAT TOOK PLACE LAST WEDNESDAY. SO GIVEN THE AGE OF THE PIPE IT WAS NECESSARY TO ACTUALLY SHUT DOWN THE WEST BUSH LAKE ROAD AT WEST 84TH STREET AND I KNOW HAVING ANY ROADS SHUT DOWN RIGHT NOW IS MISERABLE. SO WE APPRECIATE PEOPLE'S COOPERATION. THE STAFF COMBINED THEIR VARIOUS AREAS OF EXPERTISE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC REMAIN SAFE AND CENTREPOINT REPAIRED THE PIPE AND WORKED TO OPEN UP SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC AS SOON AS POSSIBLE SINCE THE FULL CLOSURE WAS NEGATIVELY IMPACTING THAT EVENING COMMUTE. SO THAT EFFORT WAS VERY MUCH APPRECIATED AND IT REALLY TRULY SHOWS THE DEDICATION OF THE STAFF TO OUR BLOOMINGTON COMMUNITY AND WE WE HAVE WE DO KNOW THE REASON WHY THIS HAPPENED IN THE TEAM IS WORKING WITH THE ENTITIES THAT WERE INVOLVED THERE TOO. ON A POSITIVE NOTE A BIG SHOUT OUT TO THE PARKS AND REC TEAM FOR AN IMPRESSIVE SOME EFFORT LAST WEEK MORE THAN 16,000 PEOPLE ATTENDED WITH AN ESTIMATED 30,000 PEOPLE WATCHING THE FIREWORKS AROUND THE CITY. AND IF YOU WERE THERE IT WAS HOT. IT'S REALLY, REALLY WARM THAT DAY. SO KUDOS TO EVERYONE WHO WAS OUT THERE. THE FIREWORKS. RIGHT. THE ONLY ELEMENT OF THE EVENT THAT SHINED THE CROSS DEPARTMENT TEAMWORK OF NOT ONLY PARKS AND REC BUT PUBLIC SAFETY WITH POLICE AND FIRE. THEY WERE VERY WARM IN THEIR UNIFORMS AS WELL AS PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND ALL OF THE TRUCKS THAT WERE PUT OUT THERE MADE FOR A SAFE, EFFICIENT EVENT. THE NEW SECURITY AND TRAFFIC FLOW MEASURES EARNED PRAISE FROM THE ATTENDEES WITH MANY COMMENTING ON QUICKER AND SMOOTHER EXITS WHICH THAT'S AMAZING. GREAT WORK EVERYONE. AND THEN FINALLY I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU GOT TO GET YOUR PANDA EARS THIS WEEKEND BUT AT THE MALL OF AMERICA WAS A PANDA FEST AND SO OUR ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH TEAM AND OUR FIRE PREVENTION STAFF AND POLICE DEPARTMENT WERE AT THE NORTH LOT OF THE MALL OF AMERICA FOR THE PANDA FEST. THEY WORK TO ENSURE THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF OVER 90 FOOD VENDORS. >> THAT IS A BIG DEAL TO HAVE TO INSPECT AND MONITOR FOR ALL OF THOSE FOOD VENDORS AND THE EVENT WAS SOLD OUT. IT WAS ALSO HOT TO BE IN THAT SPACE BUT IT WAS PRETTY COOL AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST OUTDOOR ASIAN FOOD FESTIVALS IN THE U.S. PANDA FEST FEATURES EXPERIENTIAL ACTIVITIES TASTING AND MARKET FAIRS THAT SHOWCASES VIBRANT FOOD ART AND CULTURE TRADITIONS FROM ASIA. AND MY GUESS IS IT'LL BE BACK AGAIN NEXT YEAR BECAUSE IT WAS PRETTY NEAT. SO THAT'S TO OUR TEAM THAT WAS A LOT OF WORK THANK YOU MEAN CITY COUNCIL AND QUESTIONS OF MS. DEAN AND ANY OF THOSE ITEMS ALL RIGHT COUNCIL ANYTHING TO BRING FORWARD COUNCILMEMBER LOGAN JUST ONE BRIEF THING. SO GIVEN THE PASSAGE OF THAT THAT BILL THE GREAT BIG BILL AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL WITH THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THE TAX POLICY AND SOCIAL SAFETY NET PROGRAMS AND CLEAN ENERGY INITIATIVES, I'M JUST WONDERING HOW THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON IS ASSESSING AND DIRECTING THE IMPACTS FOR RESIDENTS AND PARTICULARLY CONCERNING THOSE THAT ARE MOST VULNERABLE AND OUR OUR POPULATION AND YOU KNOW JUST THE OTHER INITIATIVES THAT ARE PART OF THAT. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT WE'RE DOING ABOUT WHAT THOSE IMPACTS WOULD BE TO OUR BUDGET KIND OF GOING FOR I'M NOT LOOKING FOR AN ANSWER TODAY BUT I WANT TO KIND OF KEEP THAT ON OUR RADAR AS WE'RE AS WE I WILL SEND IT TO MR. TILLMAN FOR A QUICK ANSWER TODAY AND WE COULD PROBABLY THIS THIS COULD BE AN IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE IN THE NEAR FUTURE ONCE WE UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE. >> MR. ALTMAN MAYOR COUNCILMEMBERS COUNCILMEMBER LONG WE'RE ACTUALLY MEETING WITH OUR FEDERAL LOBBYISTS PRIMACY THEY'RE ACTUALLY IN TOWN FROM DC TOMORROW AT 1 P.M. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE LUNCH. WE MET WITH THEM LAST FRIDAY TO TALK ABOUT THE IMPACTS ACTUALLY JUST SENT YOU GUYS ON EMAIL UPDATING YOU ON IT BUT WE'LL BE DISCUSSING ALL THOSE ISSUES TOMORROW WITH THEM TOMORROW AFTERNOON. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO JUST THE EARLY FOR YOUR SUGGESTION I'D I'D LOVE FOR US TO UNDERSTAND WHAT KIND OF ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION AND OR LEGISLATIVE POLICY CHANGE WE CAN POTENTIALLY PRIORITIZE IN OUR LEGISLATIVE UPDATES IN 2026 AROUND THESE FRANCHISES. I AGREE BETWEEN FOR TWO REASONS ONE BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE CURRENT PROCESS IS UNFAIR AND SECONDLY WE HAVE A LOT OF NEW PEOPLE ENCROACHING IN OUR IN OUR PUBLIC UTILITY SPACES THAT THAT AREN'T CURRENTLY BEING ASKED TO TO SUPPORT THAT AND MAYBE EXCEL IN AND CENTERPOINT WOULD STOP PASSING THIS ALONG IF THEY FELT LIKE OTHER PEOPLE WERE ALSO BEING CHARGED FOR THE RIGHT TO BE IN THOSE SPACES. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WILL WORK OUT BUT I'D LIKE TO GIVE US A SHOT AT IT. IT APPARENY HAS NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE AS FAR AS I KNOW. AND SO YOU KNOW, I'M ALL FOR US LEADING THE CHARGE AND I APPRECIATE THAT COUNCILMEMBER AND WE WILL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AS WE MOVE INTO OUR LEGISLATIVE POLICIES. I WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND I KNOW THAT THE LEAGUE OF MINNESOTA CITIES IS JUST STARTING THEIR POLICY ADOPTION PROCESS AS IS METRO CITIES AND SO THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO BRING UP TO THEM AS WELL. SO MAYBE JOIN A POLICY COMMITTEE THERE COUNCIL IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE I WILL FINISH UP COUNCIL SAYING NICE WORK TODAY. THIS WAS A LONG DAY FOR THE COUNCIL. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW WE STARTED MEETING RIGHT AT LUNCH TIME TO AND THEN ROLLED INTO OUR INTERVIEWS FOR OUR CITY MANAGER POSITION AND IT'S BEEN A LONG 9.5 HOURS SO FAR. SO NICE WORK COUNCIL THANK YOU FOR PUTTING FORTH THE EFFORT AND SERVING YOUR COMMUNITY IN THE WAY THAT YOU'VE DONE TODAY AND EVERY DAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WITH THAT COUNCIL WE ARE DONE WITH OUR BUSINESS AND I WILL LOOK FOR A MOTION TO ADJOURN TONIGHT MOVED MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER DALLESSANDRO TO ADJOURN TONIGHT'S MEETING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I IS MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. ONCE AGAIN THANK YOU COUNSEL THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR YOUR WORK TONIGHT GREATLY APPRECIATE IT. THANKS TO EVERYBODY WHO TUNED IN AND PARTICIPATED IN OUR MEETING TONIGHT. >> EVERYBODY HAVE A GREAT REST YOUR WEEK