uh student nurse that's the basic trouble with the direction it's going and um hopefully give it the nod to keep moving forward so at this point may I turn it over to Brandy and just have her give her a few into a few introductory comments sure very very briefly um Mary city council thank you for the topic tonight so as as you know tjl development is here tonight they're looking for ultimately approval of a new mixed use development at four addresses on the Seventh Avenue and Helen Street and what they currently have is an application for a planned unit development project which is going to be reviewed by this Planning Commission next Thursday September 1st so it's still presently in staff review in terms of planning and engineering but tonight as Mr Waldron said we're going to take a look at the proposal from the developers perspective and basically this is an opportunity for you to to provide some comments and ask questions about the project so if you have any questions for them specifically those will go that way if you have any questions about process and staff type you know some of the steps that we'll be coming forward that'll be Mr Waldron and myself and then Morgan is also here that is all uh please welcome welcome come on up to the podium welcome Jim good evening yes my name is Jim Lovell good evening I'm Aaron council members I'm really excited to be here and I'm here with Jeff Reedy and Kenny Stevenson with momentum architects um we've done a lot of work since last time we saw you we've engaged in the community and we've met with staff and we have submitted our land use applications I I don't remember um if last time we were here if we had we entered into a purchase agreement with Mr Pizza so we have the half the block per se so I don't recall if you if you've seen that or not so things have changed a lot rumors rumor had it yeah so really really excited and yeah um so anyway we Jeff met with uh members from the historical society and we've received a bunch of comments so I think I'm just going to turn the float over to Jeff and we can turn the computer on and go through the site plan is there a way to turn on this screen here at all or doing off is there a switch or do we turn that off that last time we couldn't find a switch that's pretty neat foreign we do have some copies here that we could oh yeah should we give these copies yeah they do that there's two there's one copy here I just wanted you guys I turned into page here's another one we've got three copies okay all right so what Mr Mayor and council members my name is Jeff Brady from momentum Design Group and uh as Jim had mentioned before we had come before you guys with uh with some images of projects that we've done in the past and we didn't we didn't we didn't we wanted to say that uh the project won't look like any of these but this is what we've done in the past and this is the quality of design that we do so from that what we did was as Jim said we met with the Historic Society and we spent uh I don't know about an hour and a half over there and interviewing some of the folks over there and they gave us some ideas of of the history of your your little town and as I drove through here tonight I was I just drove down the main street and I said what a quaint little town and we really wanted to take some of the historic ideals that you had here or some of the historic buildings that you had in town and try to incorporate those into the design of the building that you see in front of you and so on x07 x02 you'll see in the upper right hand corner is the ear Huff building manufacturing building and it's on our understanding that that was uh in town or a little out of town and unfortunately it burned down after it was turned into the ski company but as you can as you look at the images in front of you there you'll notice that our image on if you can go back to the very the cover sheet okay it's the very first page in the in the set of drawings it shows the rendering of the building and this one right here and we took cues from the earhof Organ Company and Incorporated them into this building okay so we're trying to use some historic uh inspiration for this building also as we study the history of the of this of the city we realized that there was a lot of manufacturing here but it wasn't just one kind of manufacturing it was a a number of different types of manufacturing you had Furniture companies you had organ piano downhill skis you had Brick Company and so that's where we got the inspiration for the industrial feel on the corner of the building with this over on this side here we have more of an industrial feel there to kind of emulate what was going on in the history of your City where you had a lot of manufacturing and a lot of jobs here and so that's really the inspiration behind this uh the design is the historic history of the of the uh of this community now also on this page here you'll see the the Lund ski image right here we we're we're planning on using this imagery like this this historic imagery and turning this into wall coverings on the inside of the building but also as you see this down here as we go through our package you'll see that we're planning on using this this is your main street and then this is your trolley and the trolley ran down sepula Boulevard and so we have a corner of the building where we're planning on putting a trolley image a historic photograph from your Historical Society on the corner of that building on sepula Boulevard this this image right here is your main street and we're looking at putting that on the corner of sepula and Helen I believe it's called Helen Street so we're really trying to incorporate a lot of historic cues from your city into this building that'd be on the outside it's on the outside yeah West uh corner of the building and the north side on the west and maybe we could just go yeah he's trying to get it there you go there's two of course yeah can you see where his his cursor is pointing right now this is a trolley here that's that's fronting sepula Boulevard and then you just turn the uh obtuse angle and then it would be the downtown image right right I thought we had a 3D view of that we might in the back here I'm not sure yet so but even more so that is creating a building that has a really strong sense rooted in the community correct and building off that and we'll use a great Partners to help brand our building and I don't know I'm getting really warm enough to naming the building to Lily too yeah you know so yeah really but really creating a strong sense through physical things to the community yeah and each of our project now one of the things that I think we talked about at the original presentation do you guys I think we just had a floor plan possibly of it I I don't remember that was a long time ago but um is the shape of the upper floors you can see this is a c shape with a with an outdoor patio deck in the center The Architects originally we had the c-shape going the opposite direction because for us we always want to push things up to the street uh Jim had a strong opinion about sucking the center of the building back and what this did was this created these two Tower elements on the sides but it also created a negative space in the center which really kind of stepped the building down and made it very comfortable to pedestrians on the street and so we have this retail looking Frontage on the front here which is uh it appears to be two stories but it's really one and then we have the uh we have the uh the the party deck or the amenity deck right above the and I think that that change to that shape of the building really made a for a much better project all around because what we're we're doing is we're reducing the mass on the street to the two end units and then we're providing a negative space in the center and it's really making for a really unique design to the building so and it also we heard that from several people is to give the building some articulation and not a big big Mass wall right along seven so that's why we and and in addition to that it provides the amenity space the outdoor community space overlooking the Main Street which is going you know during the Hot Rod shows and things like that and all the festivals that you have here people will be up there and it'll be a fantastic engaging space so so that's uh I mean I know there's a bunch more to this I can keep going if you want through the schematics of the building sure where we're at today is we have four I believe we have one level Underground underground we have one level of on great parking and that on great parking is wrapped with Walling units commercial space and then we should go to this x03 there's three stories above that of wall units so our columns right now are at 82 dwelling units it comprised of Studios ones and twos we're at 93 parking stalls but we are creating um four more stalls along Helen yep and uh we're proposing to redo curbs and everything out to the curb line the only thing that we're going to leave on the site is the Metro Transit bus shelter so that it stays activated while we're building the building there's enough Dimension there to do that yeah and then maybe more specifically why don't you walk them through amenity space sure and uh yeah so uh so what we try the way we organize the building is we wanted to retail in the building but we thought that the retail should be as close to the main activity of the downtown as possible so we put that on the the far end of the building closest to the main activity of downtown we want that retail to be as successful as possible we then filled in with these Peach areas these are called live work units and they're large enough so that a person can run a home office out of it or they can have a pottery or they can they can do they can have a small office in there it could be a real estate agent it could be a insurance agent they can hang a shingle outside they can we can put whatever the blade signs outside and so we so we have the opportunity to have much more retail on the first floor and then on the very end which is the least um active part of downtown but also more of the gateway to downtown we have the entry with the acute angle for the apartment building and that gets a little tricky because we have uh we do have slope to that street it doesn't look like it but we are losing speed from one end to the other and five okay we're losing a lot of feet from one end to the other and so we we allowed ourselves to do a really unique entry down there on the point and we have a grand staircase coming up we also have an outdoor what I call a porch and that would be for more people to be onlookers for the uh for the the street activities and things that that go on throughout the day or the week and then that's where we have our our main lobby our office space our uh our our fitness area is on that floor uh we have a couple different levels so we have elevators going from half level to half level and that type of thing there um and then and then we also have what I'm going to say we have two garages we have the below level the basement garage which has we have one door here and then we have the at grade garage which has another door right next to it if that makes any sense so um so we have two garage doors two garages at two different levels okay so then the second floor in the corner okay that'd be x04 there we go so the second floor let me find it here uh that would be the image on the left hand side of the page yep middle image left side of the page that's just units and um and the outdoor amenity deck there's yep that'll have an indoor fireplace it'll have a kitchen it'll have bathrooms restrooms then there'll also be balconies or segregated areas for those dwelling units to have an outdoor areas correct in the community outdoor amenity deck there would be uh we can have we can have a fire pit we get a barbecue grills we'll have pergolas we'll have dining we'll have lounges um you know yeah what we've done in the past we've done you know like a movie screen out there we've we've looked at warm ice but this is a little bit too small for all of those but we will definitely have fire pit barbecue grills outdoor dining lounges and a game area those those five things will absolutely be out there so bags and that type of thing just top of that image similar to second floor that's fourth floor look at the point of that building is another outdoor community community indoors and an outdoor area up there as well correct and that's and that's just a smaller indoor community space and a smaller outdoor community space are there balconies overlooking yep that is this is the this is the top floor balcony right there that is the community balcony right there it doesn't project over its insect and that yeah it has a little pergola on the outside of it on the on the roof of it and it's just a glass wall that's on your page page One X zero zero during the winter how does that work with all that patio that's it's up to management uh most people close it down during the during the snowy months I don't know if you want to close it down or remove the snow well on a few of the buildings that we've done the way the shape of the building turned out as we had areas where we could so we've kept some of the buildings on this one I we may be able to keep some second floor open by a segregating area that I want to throw some over on the sidewalk no no Here Comes our Public Works guy he uh he probably does want to hear that [Laughter] um you know we're there's Technologies where we can do uh heated floors Plumbing Systems and that was my kind of my question is that's always becomes a budget issue right and they're very very expensive to do right boilers you know at the budget uh allows us the opportunity to do that I will do that I just I can't can't today I can do that today that's pretty much it if you guys have any more questions if you have any questions we can answer them I'm assuming that's a flat roof on top right yep I do appreciate you when you came in for the public engagement I thought that was very good and then I'm the my parents were kind of founders of the Historical Society so that's even better and uh this retail what what are you looking what are you looking for that or the purple the purple yeah I mean what would be like some ideas on yeah okay that's already here competition yeah okay okay okay it wouldn't be a restaurant well I think there it could be a Subway it could be something like that but I don't be difficult to do restaurants that do fried food because all the generations my residents to smell french fries so they would lease this from you is that correct or you wouldn't be running it so okay okay can you speak to I'm sorry are you done candy I am thanks sorry about that thank you um can you speak to your decision on the balance of retail versus live workspace because I see One retail space and the remaining would be live work uh sure the retail space in these buildings are it's very complicated and there's um you know a price point that this building the rents in this building for this for that retail space are going to be have to be mid 20s to 30s to make it work you can you can rent other retail space in this Corridor for probably teens or low 20s depending upon what the deal is and we see that I just don't want to cannibalize vacancies that are there with a bunch of space that isn't going to get filled up um so I'm not trying to speak in a negative terms it's just it's really it's really difficult math problem so that's what we decided is to provide another type of dwelling unit a live work unit that still activates the street with a different kind of retail you know space that isn't isn't as is not in this Marketplace today if you had someone that came and said you know what 1600 feet just isn't enough I need 2500 are you able to accommodate for that or yes when we've discussed with our team we can do we can make those spaces all um flexible from a live work perspective or retail perspective we can grow the retail space or if the retail space never fails we could potentially put live work units in that the Kenneth that's so it's interchangeable so if we're to get a grocery store that wanted to come in and take that whole first floor would that be a possibility that would be a possibility yes I'd love to have a grocery store all right and the ceilings are we set up connectors they're higher than we're either 19 or 20 feet clear inside that space to give it a really nice volume and give it a really nice feel it also give us the ability to do a mezzanine for those live work units where you could have bedrooms that are completely upstairs and segregated from downstairs to allow that you know more space to work in council member Thorson I think last time you were here someone had asked a question about if you had had experience with that live work space in any other of your previous projects and I thought that you had stated that you hadn't okay so if you want I can check in with my other colleagues in my office because it I mean it's good to hear that there's flexibility I guess that's my one concern is that you know as you're talking about the history of our town and and we have a unique downtown it's kind of getting consumed with apartments and and and we're losing businesses um and so that's my concern is that these live workspaces they'll be high demand for live but no work part of it and so if if that whole of a sudden your whole first floor just turns into well people are people are wanting to just live here um you know now we've got residential on the first floor where it's kind of straying from I think our vision that we've adopted on some and at one point I thought that there was a requirement that the whole first floor needed to be retail by we've made changes to the zoning code that are more flexible um but I you know I guess that was just my one question is that have you seen that successful live workspace that you've dealt with before personally or just not I can respond with with some initial thoughts before your question is that upon land use approvals and closing on the real estate what I promise I will do is engage the best I have several colleagues brokerage colleagues that play in the retail space really heavily and I will engage the best one we can to to find the best retailers we can for this um I personally haven't done any live workspace in your second question in any of the buildings that I've done I do have some colleagues that have done them and we model we were modeling some of the way the interior this could work like Clark gassen's building in Rochester so I have some colleagues that have done them and we have some data their firm actually did the building so we have some of that data available to us um that's that's succeeded in other areas um downtown there's assumption there's going to be noise there's snow removal in the winter and we've kind of experienced that with this new apartment that's Sentinel I think someone was throwing snowballs at public works right off the bat um so what what kind of uh you know expectations do your tenants have that hey you're moving into an area here that potentially at three in the morning you're going to be hearing beep beep beep uh you know snow removal in the winter car shows on Friday nights you know what what sorts of communications do you have with your tenants about that um I think some of those things are beneficial to the project having car shows and different festivities that's going to be a big driver if people want to want to live here in an urban environment I I live in Saint Paul I've lived in St Paul a long time we have a fire station right down this down the street from us my daughter says why did you pick this house I said well because I want to be close to the chief I mean so that's part of the charm or part of the dynamic of living in a location like this is um it's part of the experience no I mean if the snow plows out there at three o'clock in the morning that's great yeah okay well exactly yeah and that's so I yeah like two blocks away or one block sure I mean there are there are benefits to living downtown and there are there are non-benefits to it absolutely and the reason I bring that up is because it it seemed like it was a shock to these people that moved into this place that this stuff was going to happen and you know I just kind of think well you know that's part of living in a in a you know in the city you know I mean God forbid what happens when an airplane flies over you know I don't know what the hell they react but Bud's probably in their building yeah yeah well just to bring that up just so it's not a shocker but I mean the building looks wonderful um okay I don't I don't see any issues that other than you know just my concern about the commercial space and then is is Tiff in the works for this project uh we have filed an um a narrative and a tooth application with Michaela with Baker Tilly uh had a conversation with her in regards to that midweek last week and she's on she's conveyed that she's gonna be sending a memo out to staff in regards to initial findings we didn't talk about anything she just gave me an update what was going on so there is a gap there I don't know if she agrees with me or if she disagrees with me but we're working through that process now okay and then um if if all goes to plan what's the anticipated uh start date or like when's a building the existing structure is going to start coming down do you have any idea on that yeah we have two purchase agreements in place one with Lily family that um closing would be for Mid October mid early to mid-october and Mr Peach's purchase agreement is for uh early December and so what I would anticipate with the amount of time it takes for building documents other things we would likely remediate the building [Music] um in December or January and file for building permits probably but at the same time and then start demolishing buildings in February or March and start digging a hole in March April okay it'll take us it'll take us likely a year maybe 14 months to build the building and the one last concern is that obviously there's there's there were two tenants in there beforehand one is since left Clay's barber shop he actually was displaced from a previous apartment complex and the current one American turbine I know this is a private deal but I know he he did come forward to the city at the Eda meeting and asked for some assistance in relocation he has a desire to stay in town but it it just doesn't seem like that's possible and I know in speaking with him personally his concern is just how much time he has to to relocate now you know lilies can you know that's part of renting they can they can they tell them that you know you got to leave by the end of the month or you got to be out you know whatever you can also also do that to us buying it but you know in that in the respect of you know being courteous and respectful to businesses and in this small town community that we have I guess that would just be my one wish that you'd try to work with him and not leave him in the Lurch if he needs you know if he's been asked to vacate by the end of this month or the end of next month and he needs some extra time if there's nothing that's going to take place in that building you know maybe give them an extra month or so until he can at least find somewhere else to go that would be my only concern um that we we know it's not really anything we can ask of you but just per on a personal level uh sure and I've tried to assist Mr mulga noga Excuse Me noga by sending him uh referrals of uh properties that I know that are that are available I know that he's uh discussed some of those properties with some of my brokerage friends um and I'm happy to work with them but I I do in um it's called all disclosures there there is a dispute between the lilies and Mr noga right now about his lease term and their position is that they'd like to get them out because they're paying more on utilities than what he's paying in rent so there is a dispute between those two parties that I have nothing to do I'm happy to work with him but I can't control what those sure I guess the example that I would think of is if if I were to buy a single family house and there was a family already living there renting from a previous owner and my intent was to move in right away and they had asked me hey before you know on a condition of the sale before you move in can you give this family time to find another place to live it just kind of seems like it's a reasonable request but I understand it's not anything we can just bringing that up as a good neighbor type of thing yeah be a good neighbor with okay in the event I get the opportunity to do that great well good to hear thanks thank you councilmember Cole anything I have no questions that haven't already been addressed other than the fact that what I'm saying here looks beautiful um I I mirror some of the questions about retail and flexibility of the live workspace and um I think all of us would love to see more retail come on to come onto the streets to be able to to give the the new residents services that we currently don't offer we don't know what those are yet until they they're here and they ask for them but I also understand is the the builders and the developers need to make sure you've got space that you can rent as well so so that was really kind of where where I sat but other than that it's it's beautiful guys that's number one um I would totally agree with that I really love the patio deck on the second floor I think that'll be a huge um asset um I also appreciate that you left the Metro Transit bus station there um I do have questions in regards to Transportation so another asset in our community would be the Gateway Trail are there any accommodations that you're providing that are around cycling or bikes bikes for amenities for your um tenants in front of every unit yeah each building we do promotes that type of Transit and the ways we do that we have an actual bike repair room that's got tools in it and pumps in it for pumping up tires it's actually kind of a neat little kit it's got Allen wrenches and wrenches and everything and we uh on this building be likely to put bike parking racks in front of each parking stall so there'll be plenty of opportunity for um easy convenient storage for your bikes and promoting that as well oh I love the trail it's one of the things that I mean how far you can go to Wisconsin on that trail can't you just about yeah it's fantastic growing growing as the years go on right I think you'll be able to connect up to go all the way up to Duluth at some point or at least White Bear Lake and connect to that trail there I mean I love the design I love the historical part of it uh I think a lot of thought went into the design and how it's going to fit into our downtown and I recommend command you guys coming up with a great plan for us councilmember um I'm also looking at Bella Boulevard I see that's kind of primarily where the garage is um yes entrances are um we just completed our Redevelopment master plan and my understanding was that suppla was to be a more pedestrian friendly space so I do have a little bit of concern in regards to parking garages and pedestrian friendly we do it yeah and we do show a sidewalk all along sepulo where there is none right now unfortunately our sidewalk goes to the post office that doesn't have a sidewalk but we're doing our best to enhance that as far as the garage is opening I hate to say we could put a buzzer on it because they're loud um maybe we can do other some type of instrument that would be uh yeah illuminate a light that flashes or we can do some pedestrian um precautionary things right and then we did leave a green space between the sidewalk and yeah so it's not like the sidewalk is tight up against the building and then there's a garage door there's you know there's a good what six feet of of landscaping between the the sidewalk and the garage door so it does give you a buffer I appreciate that I'm I'm sorry I maybe didn't specify that my understanding of the sepula boulevard was to be pedestrian friendly for the entire entire road is that my understanding yeah oh you're you're eliminating the road and turning it into a walking path more yeah more of the walking path is what's can I clarify a little bit um I think the intent of that was to make it more pedestrian bicycle friendly but also to continue to build out vehicular traffic on sepula so instead of um kind of like a voonor style if you're familiar with that term yep um so definitely to promote more non-motorized vehicular Transportation but to keep it open for those necessary um so it'll be narrower I I don't think it can be any narrower than it already is um it's something that would have to go undergo its own you you know design process so that could be an opportunity for for this project is to consider how that might come forward thank you [Music] Robert I'll leave this up here for you um so I have a number of notes but since you're on the subplot topic one of my key topics and to council member Wong's point we do have it in the Redevelopment master plan I do agree that I think the intent was a co-mingled vehicular and you know bicycle and pedestrian type arrangement I think we went to a lot of work in the Redevelopment master plan and uh I I do have some concerns about the Supple of facing facade and what's going on there not not the fact that I I get it you got to get the cars in and out somewhere it probably makes as good a sense as anywhere and I think the fact that this is at the far end of sepula is something that is very workable but what I what I don't see right now in the plan if if we were to pull up the Redevelopment master plan and look at some of the images and the text that we prepared of what the vision for suppla ultimately is I I don't think this is a here's an opportunity to start setting that tone it's really our first opportunity to set the tone of what that's going to be and I don't think that facade is it I don't think that accomplishes setting a good tone for what we want ultimately to Supple it to be now um as as we all know particularly on the Eda this is not no one's going to snap their fingers and and we're going to have those images that we have in the Redevelopment master plan but if we hold tight to it over a number of years you know probably 10 maybe 20 who knows that can be a real real gem at some point so I I would encourage that this is a tad out of the Eda purview but I would encourage the council and planning to really not let stuff go by particularly major projects as we're doing them and not give a hard look at what we're trying to do with suppla because if we and I'm not suggesting you guys are trying to get away with something I just you know it's a it's a newer agreed upon Vision I would say for the city um and so um I I would just discourage particularly major projects getting through and we don't strongly address that because if we don't 10 years 20 years it's going to be an Alleyway just like it is now and I don't think that's the agreed upon Vision so I have more comments but I just want to jump in on that we did one we did one Injustice to ourselves can you and can he walk around the building and describe the materials that and the intent I don't know if it was clear but these some of these images I don't I don't think I do a good job I I thought you know I thought it was okay I mean I kind of I kind of see it and I I also understand the um you know based on if we look at the sepula elevation um and I I understand when you have a housing facility you might have some emergency exits and things but you have primary exits but that doesn't that doesn't really encourage uh people going in and out off of sapola right um that's kind of like bottom of the stair fire exit type stuff bail out and get to a street I I think that um again what I don't want to speak for council member Wong but if you dig into the recently approved Redevelopment master plan and you look at some of those images of supplement what we're trying to do with it I'll just say that's not it um and and yeah you know what does it need to be I think that's for others to determine but it doesn't really set particularly the the size and the scope of this project and I'm sure there'll be additional dollars involved and you know we're working through a tip application uh I I just think that we should determine what it is we want there and if we're going to set a tone for supper or not I I and there may be still some division about what that's going to look like ultimately um but we've attempted to redefine it the Redevelopment to Define it in the Redevelopment master plan and I think we need to take a harder look because um if we kick it off strongly with something like this it'll carry you know we'll it will have something to point to and say see what we did there that's what it needs to be and ideally we could do that with this project that's my thought process on that particular point more transparency different materials more articulation I'm just looking for I I think all I think ultimately we see that as a I I'm not going to be able to recite the Redevelopment master plan in total but I mean there is a whole section on it and it talks about making Supple a living Street where there's activities and people you know it's not a dark alley or nobody wants to go they're afraid they're afraid to get hit by a car um I I don't think that you know and I'm not talking about whether it's CMU or brick or that's not really my point it's just um make it a real option for people to come in and out on suppla walk down sepula and again it may not um uh happen immediately but I mean this is a real opportunity for us to start that process it's at the far end it's a it's a I would call it a major project for our city and it's a good opportunity to start setting that tone so I no and I'm not it was our intent to turn no we wanted a force we wanted to foresight a building 100 we wanted a foresight to build we do it we don't want to back the building right well I mean the Redevelopment master plan has been approved for what a week and a half I can't believe you guys right it is I mean it is a I would say a fairly new and agreed upon Vision particularly a relative to the city so I wouldn't expect you to be in tune with it and you you just um you happen to be the first ones at the table here that it really impacts so yeah well we'll dig into it uh rubbish do we do you know where all the rubbish is going uh well actually the the trash Vehicles will have a code they will retrieve it they'll bring it out they'll dump it so they go right into the parking not the vehicles oh got it they bring it out got it so just to provide some additional comments to what was just being discussed there um I recall discussion about the idea of turning sepula into something like that but maybe not that stretch um or you know just the difficulty of especially that area most of the traffic is is driven by the post office because the post office is right behind there and uh just difficulties with businesses using that stretch of road for deliveries and whatnot versus you know if if we take that away then wherever they do where do they go out on Seventh so I don't know what specifics that our Redevelopment plan would guide you to change the plan on on that backside um I think that's more of like a a city driven project if we look to to redo sepula and what sorts of amenities or things we might change but I guess I'm a little confused on to to where that's going but Brandy if you want to yeah I think um one of the recommendations of the downtown or the Redevelopment master plan is to prepare a design plan for the sepula conversion so it would be another kind of an engineering type design document similar to what you did with um the Seventh Avenue improvements so that would guide the infrastructure itself of sepula Avenue and it does go from um the street that is west of Helen I don't have the name of it here in front of me all the way to Charles Street so it does include this this stretch behind your property so I'm thinking that in terms of the building design that's more driven by the downtown design manual um and the comprehensive plan and the um just the zoning districts in terms of building design standards so how would this change then I mean I don't I guess that's what I mean what well it still should not have the parking garage there at all we're still in the process of reviewing the plan against all of those documents so I don't know if I have any recommendations at this time in terms of what would change but that will be coming forward at the September 1st Planning Commission meeting okay well all right I think the building looks great and I mean I hope that that little Nuance doesn't change things or deter you from wanting to do anything here but I guess I'm just I'm not exactly sure what how that would look different than what it already is well I have one idea I'd like to share in Jeff Kenny will probably kick me here as in you look at the top left of that site plan there's two parking stalls that face the west and two parking stalls that face the North if we created a niche in the building or a little pocket park could we do something like that Jeff where you could you could do something in that little corner but not changing the building a great deal that could be an outdoor indoor space Community engagement space some kind of maybe a little pocket park still carry the building up above it's kind of my reaction to a more of a street nod to sepula than what's currently being shown yeah if I could add to that comment I think that would be a good idea because I think what commissioner Wong and commissioner Thorson are getting at is that the intent is to activate that portion of sepula or all of all of separate Supple really so that you've got people on foot going in and out of buildings and right now some buildings have access off of the sepulocytes some of them have access off 7th Street or 7th Avenue so it's trying to have like a dual Frontage for for those buildings in that block or within that those that series of blocks we could create something community based in that corner the downside of that is I think that's where we had our murals located but you could still do the murals inside or underneath you know we'd have a cantilever second floor coming over it idea or my reaction initially to go [Music] yeah I want to I want to clarify part of what I was trying to get at is not a wholesale change to you know the plan or what's going on um I just you know having been in this business for a while I know what you know that that door is there you know these these you know those are emergency exits right that does there's no um and it may be more not not wholesale architectural changes but maybe just slight operational changes that draws pedestrians out to that street as opposed to it never gets used unless there's a fire I mean that's that's exactly what my thought was yeah and that's like that parking area you could create a corridor that would go right to the front of the hospital building is what sure and I I think people smarter than I can figure out how to do that but that that's really what I am kind of after is is to um consider because again this is the first project that we're being faced with this with the new thoughts on sepula and let's not completely tie our hands here and let's try to do something to think about hey let's go out the back door with bikes and let's go out the back door with pedestrians you know and and that's kind of the tie-in instead of just sending everybody out onto seventh not that that's bad but you know make try to make it both an option and yeah and we actually did not do that if you look at the plan both there's only two staircases in the entire building and one goes on to sepula and one goes on to Helen so all of the dog walkers that don't take the elevator will will come down through the stairs and exit on to those one of those two uh one of those two streets and I would assume that the the staircase closest to wherever your unit is is going to be the one that you use to to take your dog out to walk and frankly I mean every single one of these units will have an animal in it at least 80 percent of them will so um but uh my only concern about the recess at the corner of Helen encephala is that it becomes an unused space and it's just a place for trash to collect and a constant maintenance thing that was my main concern when you mentioned that I think it could be a neat if we recessed it in we could put the the murals on there and that that would be that would be interesting as well I don't think they'll be as well lit or as engaging to the public because they're going to be set back in a recessed area so people will probably miss them as they walk by or drive by because it'll be in a darkened area some of the other comments I had were you have a very complicated site here because we want to focus our attention on Seventh to make seventh an active Street in a successful Street and we we don't want to have our retailers enter onto sepula because we want them to enter onto 7th Street right um we're that's why that's the way the building is designed and we only have three facades to enter the garage in and we don't want the garage to enter from Seventh we'd prefer to not have the garage enter from Helen so that literally leaves us sepula that's why we chose where we chose what we did so I think we can dress up the the back of it we definitely can do that well there's another just throwing out ideas out here and kicking again but maybe we re-arented the fitness to those four parking stall area yeah and make it all a bunch of glass bunch of glass sure put fun murals inside the building so you have transparency that's a great idea yeah that northwest corner matter of fact you can make the murals fritted glass yeah that makes sense to yeah if we're open to any other suggestions too um you know the building's clad with I mean we picked a architectural brick that I think several community members said to make it look like the post office and then this industrial feel that Jeff talked about earlier and we have metal siding that's high quality the windows in the building will be as big as I can possibly make them we usually do nine four this would be nine foot ceilings and windows will be at least seven yeah right yep um so just give me a flavor I mean we try and get a lot of transparency through these buildings for everybody's benefit I'm looking at that north wall and maybe we can intention I always put glass in all the parking garages maybe we can put articulates more glass than that yep and make it make it a little bit funner on that first on that personal elevation there um so I think there's some things we can certainly take a look at to address your comments fun fact about sepula correct me if I'm wrong Kenny it was uh the place where the Subway or the subway the trolley went because they did not want to put the trolley on Seventh because they were afraid that the trolley and the horses would not mix so they put the trolley on sepula keep that just changed a couple years ago yeah [Laughter] so that is a fun fact we need Paul Anderson here that yeah tell us let me just add one thing to confer the backside you had mentioned 80 of maybe the tenants will have some sort of animal or pet um and green space downtown is very limited so that might be something to consider as you work through the back side thank you anything else Robert all right yep yep um so I wanna some of these are comments and some other just food for thought to take away uh we we did recently receive the draft housing study and I for those that haven't had a chance to get to it um I you know that's another agenda next we're still talking about that okay well it does demonstrate capacity so I I think that's one of the things we wanted to verify so that's good for everybody that wants to see this happen um you guys talked about the commercial space um I you know Max has just come online we we don't know whether it's going to be a success or not uh if you haven't been in there you know I've been in there it's great I and I think we're going to need much more of that I understand the venting for somebody's got a hood in there and everything else I would um I from an Eda perspective I think we are going to need more of that I would enjoy at least a conversation talking about how we might at least be prepared for that because I that's not something you throw in at the 11th hour right and so um I'm not saying we should force it on this development or you got to have it that's not my position my position is let's take a let's just take a strong look and see if we can have accommodation should we have the opportunity to get another I'll just say max-like facility because uh you know food and Bev down with all these people we want them to stay here and if they're going to stay here we got to feed them so I think that's uh and we got a few no fans but we've got to feed them more than Subway okay we're gonna deep fry stuff in all the buildings that we've done that have commercial spaces and we have built shafts through them that are sized and that's relatively inexpensive correct and and just the the doctor can go in afterwards as you know and I would I would assume you'd want to know that now then yeah right right so um because I think it was kind of an 11 hour thing over at the Sentinel and it became a bear right right yeah um so uh the other thing is I uh the I saw the Met Transit rendering on there the the bus station there and I don't I don't know where this would fall it may fall to Eda or somewhere else within the city but um I don't think it falls to them but I've seen some very uh unique met Transit bus stations that fit really well into the environment that aren't that thing that's shown or just a little bench in fact 25 years in construction the most expensive thing I ever built was a bus station for met Transit I think you were around when we did that one downtown so I I'm not suggesting we need to do one that's similar outside securing but I do think that we could talk to them and get a good you know something that fits well in our community that looks better than the blue Plexiglas thing that people carve their initials into and look like garbage after a year um so the live work council member Thorson you mentioned that and I I think I I know I brought it up last time we met with the developers I'm very leery of this and um I'm just I don't know um I hear a lot about it I heard a lot about it for years I've never personally seen it in action I don't know what may or may not come in with it if it does I think it's great I think that you know it makes a ton of sense one thing I would question again this is not for them but maybe more for planning and council is is our zoning code prepared to address live work situations uh because it's it's easy if we say it's an insurance agent they sleep upstairs and they sell insurance downstairs what if it's a welder or even you said Pottery or some other uh use that our our code is not prepared to address so something to maybe look at because I don't think it does I took a cursory look and we could run into some hurdles there um uh the green space I think I think looks good but the more you can get the better I know it's a tight corner and we talked about pets uh councilmember Wong I just asked about it is there a scheduled pet relief area like up on the plazas is that something that you would normally put in or yeah we have not planned that yet but I think we could put some artificial turf in if we needed to so we've done that in a couple other buildings yeah I don't I don't think it would need to be you know very substantial but I you know I think a lot of times if particularly on the upstairs plazas and stuff during the winter if there's a small pet relief area you know with a drain that you guys seen them um I I think that would be right a fake fire hydrant and whatever so um I I would strongly consider that because I I just you know aside from uh you know the convenience for the residents and the pets but not having to you know figure out where in the park they're gonna you know relieve themselves or where in the city they're going to relieve themselves if they can do it within the confines of the building footprint sounds like there's a job opportunity for dog walking in the in the downtown it's all I have okay thank you Robert looks good I think the council is definitely you know on board with what's going on in the comments I'm sure you'll take you know take with you and uh I don't know what uh Dr Waldron I don't know if you've got anything to add uh uh honorable mayor members of the council just again we wanted to get this introduced to you and make sure you were comfortable with it moving forward and the secondly that you did understand that there's a tax increment component and some of those items will be coming before you in terms of creation of the districts and so forth as Jim pointed out they have submitted some of the materials and we are looking at them right now in a preliminary fashion there is a gap we'll have to see whether we agree on what that Gap is or how we we work through that so at this point it was just important to make sure you're comfortable pressing forward and that you do know that the Tiff elements will also be progressing before you at some point thanks Jim Jeff and Ken appreciate it and uh yeah we really appreciate the opportunity to be in Fort here and get your feedback and I assume what we'll do is we'll get the comments from staff and from Planning Commission and then re-submit a package with all the collective comments and very exciting yeah really excited to be here Tom so thank you thank you so much all right have a good night just uh one cautionary point this is a Redevelopment project and Redevelopment projects projects are extremely difficult at the Eda we were talking about how flies seem to get in the ointment when you try to to move these forwards so um Jim one quick question uh if you don't mind is the industry right now are you seeing it getting better with supply issues or prices of lumber all that there's some relief in Lumber but Lumber is still historically High there's supply chain issues a lot of electrical components I'm hearing colleagues that they're Transformers and meter sockets and things like that so the way we used to do these projects is totally different today we used to get our get out of the hole and then we could order light fixtures and we'd get good fancy appliances if we didn't have a problem but now you sit down and you order everything day one as soon as you get a contract you know once your documents are done to um to head off those supply chain issues um I'm hearing from well I guess my favorite Builder now that he thinks the labor markets are uh you know first quarter of next year things are going to slow down a bit because of everything that's happening and pricing should improve so that's was and that was a conversation that was six or eight weeks ago so this project seemed like it would be a really good fit just to keep going so the timing might be good yeah and I heard that well actually from from a few different Builders right things are slowing down and um which in the headlines everyone says we're in recession and we're not intercessional I think we're in a recession but regardless so we're just we're doing things a lot different these days than we used to to head off all those issues great appreciate it thanks thank you oh any I was just saying be ready there are always challenges with Redevelopment projects challenges here that we don't even know what they're going to be yet and they'll they'll crop up they're always more difficult projects but we'll uh we'll deal with them and work through them as they come up good the the other thing honorable mayor we just had the max Field Report uh submitted and we just wanted to get that to you as as basic backgrounds so uh so you had that as Robert pointed out that there that it did point out that the market certainly exists there's still room to make projects like this happen in the downtown and at some point we'll have the Maxfield people in for a presentation Robert I think we're talking about that at the Eda weren't we so maybe we could combine those meetings or something so we're not going to present it tonight you don't have to no that that's just given to you as as deep background and how you could yeah I mean there's certainly some good information there and how you could see the market potential for this project is depicted in the study but we'll uh we'll get into it in more detail at some future point if you'd like to do that I think the cover letter explains a lot of it so that's it onward onward thank you thank you yep have a good night uh city manager anything else that was all that's on the topics for the agenda this evening for the workshop so that is it uh I really like the the design I don't know if anybody else wants to make you another comment or anything but I thought the design was really good like I said really it's really going to be a change for downtown to add that and also to be able to get the the corner building I think it was very important as part of the project so very good if no other business uh motion to adjourn root by council member Juan second by councilmember Cole any discussion now at all those in favor signify by saying aye aye opposed for the workshop is adjourned and we'll convey and about 25 minutes thank you