MOVE ON TO ITEM 2. WHICH IS THE SILVER LINE MARKET ASSESSMENTND ECONIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY PRESENTATION BY CHRISTINA DAY, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING, AND REAL ESTATE ECONOMIST WITH AECOM. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR PRO TEM, COUNCIL, WE ARE GLAD TO BE PRESENTING THE SILVER LINE MARKET ASSESSMENT AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY TO YOU THIS EVENING. SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS WAS RELATED TO CONSTRUCTION OF DART'S NEW SILVER LINE RAIL STATION IT ALSO INCLUDES TRAILS ALONG THIS AREA, SO YOU SEE IN YELLOW ON THE SLIDE WITH THE STARS THE TWO NEW STATIONS IN PLANO. WE'VE HAD SUBSTANTIAL INTEREST IN PRIVATE INVESTMENT AND THIS IS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CATALYST FOR SOUTHEAST PLANO AND THE GREATER DOWNTOWN AREA, SO WE ARE WANTING TO LOOK MORE CLOSELY AT THE ECONOMIC CAPACITY WITHIN THIS AREA. SO WHAT WE DID WAS HE AE COM TO HELP US LOOK AT THE STRENGTHS AND CHALLENGES RELATED TO LAND USE. WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE DEMAND IS DRIVEN AND THE GROWTH IN LAND VALUES. WE ALSO ARE LOOKING FOR TO UNDERSTAND THE REDEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL IN THE AREA, AND SO THE REPORT HAS PRODUCED SOME TOPOLOGIES THAT WILL HELP ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS FOR US. WE'RE HOPING THAT THE STUDY CAN BE USED TO INFORMUTUR N THE STUDY AREA SPECIFICALLY CITY INITIATED PLANNING ACTIVITIES, WHEN THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION LOOKED AT THIS ROUGHLY A MONTH AGO, THEY DID WANT TO INITIATE A REVIEW OF ZONING IN THE AREA FOR CONSISTENCY WITH OUR FINDINGS AS WELL AS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND ALSO LOOK AT THE AREA PLANS WITHIN A HALF MILE OF THESE STATIONS AS CALLED FOR AGAIN IN THE COMPRHENSIVE PLAN. SO WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO KRIS BREWER. HE IS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT LEAD FOR THE PROJECT. AGAIN, WITH AE COM. HE BRINGS 25 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AND HAS COMPLETED PROJECTS AROUND THE COUNTRY INCLUDING TEXAS AND THE METROPLEX. I'M ALSO JOINED BY DREW BRONNER WHO IS OUR LEAD PLANNER IN COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING WHO WAS THE LEAD ON THIS PROJECT. SO WITH THAT, MR. BREWER. >> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. EVERYONE, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO PRESENT TONIGHT. THIS PROCESS IS ONE THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR MORE THAN A YEAR NOW IN TERMS OF UNDERSTANDING THE TRENDS THAT WE SEE PLAY OUT ACROSS PLANO AND THE BROADER METROPLEX AREA. U KN, IN MANY RESPECTS, THE SCOPE OF SERVICES WAS VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD. UNDERSTANDING STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEWS UNDERSTANDING THE BROADER ECONOMIC AND DEMOGRAPHIC TRENDS AND THEN REALLY TRYING TO MAKE THIS CONNECTION BETWEEN WHAT WE'RE SEEING FROM A REAL ESTATE STANDPOINT AND WHAT IS GOING ON WITH UNDERLYING LAND VALUES. OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS HAPPENING IN THE MIDST OF COVID, SO WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND TWO EQUALLY IMPORTANT THINGS, NUMBER ONE WHAT IS THE PRE-COVID TREND AND WE'RE GOING TO SEE THAT REEMERGE, OR NUMBER TWO, AS COVID CREATED A NEW DILEMMA, A NEW MARKET AND WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT COMPLETE SHIFT. WHEN WE DID THIS PRESTATI FIVE WEEKS AGO, I WAS ACTUALLY FAIRLY CERTAIN THAT THE DUST WAS STARTING TO SETTLE AND WE STARTED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT POST COVID MIGHT LOOK LIKE. THEN OBVIOUSLY RUSSIA INVADED THREE DAYS LATER, WE'RE NOW IN A VERY DIFFERENT PLACE, I WOULD SAY THE DUST WILL EVENTUALLY SETTLE, BUT 30 YEAR MORTGAGE RATES AT 5% IS A DIFFERENT PARADIGM IN TERMS OF HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, SO THERE ARE DEFINITELY GOING TO BE THINGS AS THIS LASTS LONGER, WE'LL SEE SOME IMPACTS FROM MULTI-FAMILY OPPOSED TO SINGLE FAMILY. COVID IS AT LEAST IN MY EXPERIENCE THE LAST 25 YEARS A VERY DIFFERENT RECESSION COMPARED TO THE ONES THAT I GREW UP OVER THE LAST 25. SO AGAIN, AS WE GO THROUGH OUR PROCESS, THINKING ABOUT THE 12 STREET STATION, SILVER LINE PROPOSE AND THE SHILOH ROAD STATION, I THINK THE THING YOU START TO APPRECIATE WITH THIS SIMPLE AREA IS THE DIFFERENCES IN THE TWO PLACE, 12th STREET, WE'VE GOT OUR MIX OF DOWNTOWN, WE'VE GOT THIS OLDER INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT NORTH OF THE TRACK, AND THEN WE HAVE ESTABLISHED CONTEMPORARY DISTRICT SOUTH OF THE TRACKS SO VERY SPEFIC MIXED SET OF USE, WITH SHILOH IS ALMOST EXCLUSIVE SINGLE FAMILY WITH A LITTLE BIT OF RETAIL, SO IT'S ENTIRELY SINGLE USE IN NATURE. AND I THINK THAT CHARACTERIZATION OF USE BUT ALSO SOME OF THE IMPLICATIONS WE'RE SEEING FOR LAND VALUE AND MARKET DEMAND BECOME REALLY IMPORTANT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT PARTICULARLY THE OLDER INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES NORTH OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS WHERE WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF INFILL DEVELOPMENT HAPPEN, BUT WE'RE ALSO NOW SEEING SPECULATION WITH MUCH SMALLER PARCELS WHERE IT'S JUST NOT THE RIGHT SIZE FOR WHAT WE WOULD CALL A TEXAS WRAP, APARTMENTS WRAP AROD PARKING. BUT AGAIN THOSE DYNAMICS OF TWO VERY DIFFERENT STATIONS, ONE OF THE KEY THINGS TO THINK ABOUT, THE TRENDS SEEING ONE MIGHT BE DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHER IS IMPORTANT NOTION. WE THINK ABOUT THE ECONOMIC AND DEMOGRAPHIC CONTEST I THINK JUST A COUPLE OF SIMPLE METRICS THAT WE WERE PAYING TO OVER THE COURSE OF THE STUDY. NUMBER ONE, PLANO DID BETTER DURING COVID THAN OTHER CITIES, SO EMPLOYMENT GROWTH, MORE WHITE COLLAR NATURE, AGAIN, ONE OF THE KEY THINGS WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO POST COVID IS THIS NOTION OF REMOTE WORKERS AND HYBRID WORKERS, DO THEY GO BACK TO THE OFFICE, I THINK ONE OF THE POLICY QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO VE TO PAY ATTENTION TO IS WHAT ARE THE FISCAL IMPLICATIONS OF HYBRID WORK, IF PEOPLE DON'T GO TO THE OFFICE AS OFTEN, REAL ESTATE VALUES FOR OFFICE SPACE, PAY ATTENTION TO THAT. WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT MIX OF FLEX OFFICE AND INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITIES THAT ARE ACTUALLY DRIVING SIGNIFICANT ATTRATIVE WAGES AND GOOD QUALITY JOBS SO THAT MIX SOUTH OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS BECOMES AN IMPORTANT THING TO PAY ATTENTION TO, PARTICULARLY FOR INDUSTRIAL USES THAT MAYBE 10, 15 YEARS AGO WE WOULDN'T HAVE ENCOURAGED, NOW WH eCOMMERCE YOU MIGHT SEE STRONGER DEMAND FOR SOME OF THESE LOCATIONS, WE HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO IN THIS STUDY, TO WHAT EXTENT IS RESIDENTIAL DRIVING LAND VALUES OR IN FACT ECOMMERCE AND INDUSTRIAL DRIVING LAND VALUES, SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO. SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL MARKET PERSPECTIVES REALLY INTERESTING DYNAMIC IN TERMS OF THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FIRST OBVIOUSLY THE SINGLE FAMILY CONVERSATION. OBVIOUSLY, REALLY GOING BACK TO SAY 2010, PLANO APPROACH FILLED OUT, WE STARTED TO SEE A MUCH SMATTER AREA OF SINGLE SIGNICT INCREASE IN ALSO LAND VALUES TIED TO SINGLE FAMILY CONSTRUCTION. AND AGAIN, THESE -- THIS REALITY OF LESS AND LESS LAND AVAILABLE IS STARTING TO HAVE AN INFLUENCE IN TERMS OF DEMAND AND WHAT PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO BUILD. I THINK THE ONE THING WE'VE ALWAYS PAID ATTENTION TO IS THAT WE HAD A MILLENNIAL GENERATION IN PARTICULAR THAT CONTINUED TO RENT RATHER THAN OWN, AND THAT REALLY SORT OF INFLUENCED OUR DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, THEY DOUBLED DOWN AND BUILT MORE RENTALS IN THE LAST TEN YEARS, SO IT'S A TREND WE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN SURPRISED BY, WE LOOKED AT SOME OF OUR BOOMER GENERATION, EVEN THOSE GROUPS WERE MORE WILLING TO RENT THAN OWN WHICH I THINK WAS A SURPRISE TO A LOT OF PEOPLE. THE NET RESULT WAS INCREASED DEMAND FOR APARTMENTS. WE ARE EXPECTING TO SEE BIGGER HOUSES, WHICH OBVIOUSLY A BIGGER HOUSE MEANS MORE EXPENSIVE HOUSE, SO IT GETS TO A REALLY IMPORTANT AFFORDABILITY QUESTION, AND NOT JUST WORKFORCE HOUSING AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUT REASONABLY PRICED HOUSING BECOMES AN IMPORTANT POLICY QUESTION. WE WILL SAY BROADLY FOR THIS REGION, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTWISE HOUSING AVAILABILITY IS GOING TO BE THE KEY ISSUE FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS WE HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO. BUT ALSO ULTIMATELY AGAIN THINKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW THE EXTENT TO WHICH THE WAR IN UKRAINE DOES NOT COME TO AN END SAME TIME SOON, HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION AS WELL. ON THE MULTI-SIDE, INTERESTING STORY WE'RE PLAYING ATTENTION TO. I THINK WE WERE SURPRISED BY IN PLANO CITY GOT A RELATIVELY SMALL SHARE OF THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION, AND WE IN GENERAL SAW THAT THE RENTS FOR THE APARTMENT PROJECTS BUILT IN PLANO TENDED TO BE HIGHER THAN THE REGIONAL AVERAGE, SO WE WERE GETTING A HIGHER VALUE PRODUCT RELATIVE TO REGIONAL WHICH WAS A POSITIVE TREND, BUT, AGAIN, THINKING ABOUT THIS NOTION OF WHERE WE GO FROM HERE, OUR MAIN ISSUE PARTICULARLY NEAR 12th STREET IS LIMITED AVAILABILITY OF PARCELS THAT ARE EASILY SUITABLE FOR THIS SORT OF DEVELOPMENT. AND AGAIN, ON THE MULTI-FAMILY STANDPOINT, TO ME THE IMPORTANT THING WAS THIS NOTION OF was this notion of YOU KNOW, WE WERE ABLE TO CAPTURE A SHARE OF MULTI-FAMILY AT A PREMIUM TO THE MARKET WHICH IS AGAIN FROM OUR POLICY PERSPECTIVE A GOOD THING. I THINK THE THING I WOULD ULTIMATELY SAY WITH MULTI-FAMILY VERSUS SINGLE FAMILY, HEADING INTO A POST COVID WORLD WHERE WE HAVE A SNIFINT NBER OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN RENTER OCCUPANCY, I THINK PEOPLE AREN'T AS AWARE OF THAT, I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY IN SOME WAYS THE MORE IMPORTANT QUESTION MOVING FORWARD, PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT'S GOING ON WITHIN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT USED TO BE LARGELY OWNER OCCUPIED. I THINK THAT WILL BE A POLICY QUESTION HERE. OUR MAIN QUESTION MOVING FORWARD, HOW DO WE START TO WORK WITH THOSE REMAINING PARCELS WHICH ARE GENERALLY SMALLER? WE DO SEE FROM OUR STUDY THE ABOUT TO THINK ABOUT A SLOT HOME PRODUCT, A TOWN HOME PRODUCT THAT CAN WORK WITHIN THAT SMALLER SITE DIMENSION, SO THERE ARE STILL PORTUNITIES. AND AGAIN, PROBABLY THE BIGGEST THING WE REALLY FOCUSED ON IS THIS REALITY OF UNDERLYING GROWTH IN LAND VALUES, IF YOU GO BACK TO DECISIONS MADE BY PLANO TEN TO FIFTEEN YEARS AGO, IN MANY RESPECTS THE POLICIES DROVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, DROVE NEW INFILL DEVELOPMENT VERY SUCCESSFUL. THE DOWNSIDE IS WE HAD REAL ACCELERATION IN LAND VALUES, AND I THINK THE GOOD NEWS THERE IS WE ACHIEVED SIGNIFICANT REDEVELOPMENT, BUT WE NOW HAVE A CHALLENGE OF LAND GETTING EXPENSIVE. WE LOOK AT THE AVAILABILITY OF REMAINING PARCELS, HOW MANY SMALL PARCELS ARE, WH I OUR NEXT STEP, HOW DO WE SUSTAIN INVESTMENT, HOW DO WE ENCOURAGE ASSEMBLY, THOSE BECOME THE NEXT ROUND OF POLICY QUESTIONS, AGAIN, LOOKING AT LAND PRICES AT 12th STREET VERSUS SHILOH ROAD, SIGNIFICANT APPRECIATION OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS, SOMETHING WE ULTIMATELY THINK ABOUT IN TERMS OF POLICY IMPLICATIONS THERE. ON THE COMMERCIAL MARKET STANDPOINT AGAIN A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION, I THINK OFFICE UNQUESTIONABLY THE ONE SEGMENT HEAVILY IMPACTED BY COVID. I THINK THE GOOD NEWS THAT WE'RE SEEING AT THIS POINT IS THAT MODERN OFFICE SPE CONTEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION TENDS TO BE HOLDING UP WELL. THE NEWEST BUILDINGS ARE MAINTAINING OCCUPANCIES. MAYBE A 10 TO 20% DECREASE IN VALUE. TOO SOON TO SAY IF THAT'S PERMANENT, BUT CLEARLIER FOR OLDER BUILDINGS, WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF 50 PLUS PERCENT 30 40-YEAR-OLD BUILDINGS GOING BACK TO LENDERS THAT IS ONE OF OUR QUESTIONS WHERE WE'RE RIGHT NOW WE'RE HAVING A RETURN FROM PURE REMOTE TO HYBRID, HOW THAT PLAYS OUT WILL BE A BIG QUESTION. I TEND TO SEE MORE OPTIMISTIC ABOUT SEEING PEOPLE COME BACK INTO THE OFFICE, KNOCK ON WOOD THERE. FUNDAMENTALLY FOR OFFICE SECTOR TWO DIFFERENT QUESTIONS COME TO THE FOREFRONT, I THINK THE BIGGEST ONE PLANO WOULD BENEFIT FROM A POST COVID ENVIRONMENT SMALLER OFFICES, COMING TWO TO THREE DAYS A WEEK, AS OPPOSED TO THE BIGGER OFFICE DOWNTOWN IS PROBABLY THE ONE EXPECTATION WE WOULD HAVE AT THIS POINT. PROBABLY INDUSTRIAL TO ME IS ONE OF THOSE REALLY INTERESTING CONVERSATIONS, BECAUSE IT COVERS A WEALTH OF TYPES OF REAL ESTATE AT THIS POINT, I WOULD ALMOST SAY FROM A ZONING STANDPOINT, THE WORD INDUSTRIAL DOESN'T COVER WHAT'S GOING ON IN THAT DYNAMIC, EVERYTHING FROM COMMERCE TO FLEX OFFICE TO ADVANCE MANUFACTURING, BUT THE ONE THING WE'VE SEEN CONSISTENTLY FOR TEN YEARS IS GROWTH IN THIS TYPE OF SPACE, INCREASING DEMAND, INCREASING RENTS AND IT CONSISTENTLY HAS CAUGHT A LOT OF PEOPLE BY SURPRISE COMING OUT OF THE LAST RECESSION, TO ME IT'S THAT ONE SEGMENT WHERE WE'RE SEEING STEADY GROWTH IN DEMAND, STEADY GOETH IN LEASE RATES, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, LOT OF THE SPACE, SEEMS LIKE THE MARKET WANTS IT TO BE THERE AGAIN WELL LOCATED. REAL QUESTION, REAL CURIOSITY IS THIS ECOMMERCE DEBATE MOVING FORWARD, WE'RE SEEING INTEREST IN SMALLER WAREHOUSES CLOSER TO WHERE PEOPLE LIVE FOR SAME DAY DELIVERY, SO AGAIN THAT POLICY QUESTION OF HOW DO WE DEAL WITH SAME DAY DELIVERY AS THAT GROWS IN THE COMING YEARS, THIS EASY ARE TYPES OF SPACES THE DEVELOPERS ARE LOOKING AT FOR THAT. CLEARLY A SET OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR NEEDING TO PAY ATTENTION TO OLDER BUILDING, SO THE ABILITY TO SHIFT FROM WHAT WOULD BE AN INDUSTRIAL USE TO, Y, A COULD I HAVE ROASTER BREWERY, WHERE IT'S EFFECTIVE A RETAIL USE IN AN INDUSTRIAL BUILDING AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE WOULD START TO SEE THAT SHIFT ESPECIALLY AS THE RENTS START TO MOVE UP 10 TO $15 A SQUARE FOOT. AGAIN, RETAIL DYNAMICS TO ME ARE FASCINATING. I WON'T ASK HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE YOUR AMAZON PRIME CARDS, PROBABLY ALL OF YOU, THE REALITY IS WE'RE HEADING INTO A VERY STRANGE MOMENT NOW WHERE WE'RE FINALLY SEEING PURE eCOMMERCE PLAYS LOOK FOR BRICK AND MORTAR SPACE, ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THEY'RE STRUGGLING WITH IS RETURNS, ALL THE HROR STORIES OFE RETURNS HAVE OR HAVEN'T GONE, THAT'S SOMETHING EVERYONE NEEDS TO GET A GRIP ON. BUT I'M GENERALLY OPTIMISTIC HERE, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE A WHOLE NEW CRO OF TENANTS WANT TO SELL US STUFF. I THINK THOUGH IN THE SHORT-TERM DEFINITELY A CONVERSATION ABOUT A LOT MORE INTEREST IN DRIVE THROUGHS THAN THERE USED TO BE, AGAIN, ONE OF THOSE COVID MOMENTS ABOUT A SHIFT IN SOME OF OUR PRIORITIES. SO I THINK FOR US THE RETAIL PIECE IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A CHALLENGE IN THE SHORT-TERM, BUT I THINK IT'S ONE YOU WILL SEE STRENGTH COME BACK PARTICULARLY IN A PLACE LIKE PLANO, BUT, AGAIN, I THINK IT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT SET OF TENANTS, LIKE WAYFAIR, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THOUGHT OF THEM AS A BRICK AND MORTAR TENANT, THEY'RE GOING TO BE FINANCIAL FULFILLING ORDERS, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME IN AND BUY THINGS, IT MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT REAL ESTATE DYNAMIC TO THINK ABOUT. SO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO TO TRY AND TAKE WHAT WE WERE SEEING FROM MARKET DEMAND STANDPOINT AND ULTIMATELY APPLY IT TO THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT LAND USE AND THE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT WE WOULD EXPECT WITHIN THESE STATIONARIES, AND SO WE WANTED TO TRY AND COME UP WITH A SET OF FRAMEWORKS THAT WOULD ALLOW U TO SORT OF CONCEPTUALIZE THE SET OF USES IN THEIR SQUARE FOOTAGE, AND ULTIMATELY WHAT THAT MEANS FROM A ERIK RAJ STANDPOINT WEB ACCESSIBILITY START TO UNDERSTAND IN THE LAND IS 15 TO $25 A SQUARE FOOT, GIVE OR TAKE, WHAT'S THAT IMPLICATION FOR A SET OF USES THAT A DEVELOPER WOULD SAY, WELL, GIVEN THAT LAND COST, I'M PREPARED TO BUILD, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN AMOUNT OF UNITS PER ACRE. AND SO FROM RESIDENTIAL STANDPOINT, WE CAME UP WITH PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD SET OF CONCEPTS WHETHER IT BE A SLOT HOME OR TOWN HOME, GIVE, LIVE WORK, SOME OF THE LARGER APAMENT MULTI-ORY PROJES. AND AGAIN ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, SIMILAR FRAMEWORK OF OFFICE, HOTEL, AGAIN, TRYING TO JUST PROVIDE PERSPECTIVE AS TO HOW THE MARKET DEMANDS ULTIMATELY CORRELATE DOWN TO WHAT SORT OF PARCEL SIZE DO WE NEED AND WHAT ARE THOSE LIMITS IN TERMS OF AVAILABLE PARCEL SIZES, SO A RELATIVELY STRAIGHTFORWARD FRAMEWORK, BUT WHAT WE ULTIMATELY WANTED TO DO WAS TO APPLY THOSE TYPE HOLIDAYS TO PLACES TO START TO UNDERSTAND WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE. SO WE ATTACKED A COUPLE OF AREAS FROM A DOWNTOWN NORTH SUB DISTRICT, THIS IS THE AREA ON THE NORTH SIDE O DOWNTOWN. AGN, A FRAMEWORK OF OUR LIKELY TOPOLOGIES WE WOULD EXPECT DEVELOPERS TO VIEW, SLOT HOME, TOWN HOME, FOUR TO FIVE STORY APARTMENT COMPLEX, AGAIN, A NOTION OF HOW MUCH NEW HOUSING ADD IN THAT FRAMEWORK IN THE LOWER RIGHT, THINKING ABOUT SOME OF THE SUBS THAT ARE AVAILABLE, BASED ON THE LAND VALUE THAT WE'RE SEEING, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 15 AND $25 A SQUARE FOOT FOR LAND. YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHEN DEVELOPERS WILL START TO THINK ABOUT TALLER BUILDINGS AND THAT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO BE PREPARED FOR. CERTAINLY PREOVID, I THINK SOME OF SUBURBS WEST OF CHICAGO, WE WERE SEEING DEVELOPERS PAY UPWARDS OF $35 A SQUARE FOOT, THEY'RE PLANNING TO BUILD 7 TO 15 STORY BUILDINGS, PRETTY EASILY, PART OF THAT IS THERE'S LOTS OF DEMAND, THAT'S WHERE THAT PREMIUM COMES IN, THINKING ABOUT THE SITE AND PARCEL SIZE, THE EXTENT TO WHICH WE NEED TO HELP ASSEMBLE, THE BIGGEST THING, TALKING WITH THE NUMBER OF CITIES LIKE CHICAGO RIGHT NOW, YOU ALWAYS WANT TO AVOID TRYING TO INCENTIVE DEVELOPERS TO OVERPAY FOR LAND. POLICY GOAL NUMBER ONE, EASIER SAID THAN DONE, IT'S SOMETHING Y TRY TO NOT HAVE DEVELOPERS OVERPAY FOR LAND IF AT ALL POSSIBLE. SO AGAIN, DOWNTOWN SOUTH SUB DISTRICTS, THIS IS AN AREA WHERE WE HAVE SOME MORE SOLID INDUSTRIAL USES BUT ALSO SOME OLDER USES WHERE WE WOULD ACTUALLY SEE MAYBE SOME BROWNFIELD CONDITIONS, BUT ALSO A LOT OF PLACES WE WOULD EXPECT TO SEE REDEVELOPMENT HAPPEN OVER TIME. I THINK THE ONE THING WE WOULD SAY HERE A NUMBER OF SMALLER PARCELS, A LOT OF PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE VERY CLEAR NOTIONS WHAT THEIR LAND IS WORTH, THAT IS PROBABLY ONE OF THOSE AREAS WHERE WE WOULD SAY IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME FOR THE MARKET TO SORT OF BALANCE OUT, CERTAINLY A SHORT-TERM HIGHER CONSTRUCTION PRICE FOR HOUSING, HIGHER INTEREST RATES IS GOING TO PUT A DAMPER ON OWNER OCCUPANCY WE WOULD SUSPECT. AGAIN, THIS IS AN AREA IN MANY OTHER CITIES WE'RE SEEING A SIMILAR DEBATE ABOUT THERE'S A SET OF USES THAT NEED TO BE SOMEWHERE, THIS IS ALSO A PLACE WHERE WE WOULD EXPECT HIGHER VALUES TO UNFOLD AS WELL. SO LAST BUT NOT LEAST, GETTING TO INSIGHTS AND IMPLICATIONS, YOU KNOW, WE TALK A LOT ABOUT THIS NOTION OF BENEFITS OF TOD. THE STUDY GOES THROUGH A WHOLE FRAMEWORK IN TERMS OF THINKING WHAT OUR BENEFITS OF TRANSIT INTO DEVELOPMENT ARE, THERE'S A BROAD SET OF VERY CLEAR EXPLANATIONS OF HOW TEO DID HELPS FOR ME, WE HAVE ONE LESS CAR, HALF OF MY TRIPS ARE ON THE TRAIN, SO IT'S A RELATIVELY PRAGMATIC FRAMEWORK, THERE'S A HOST OF PEOPLE THAT DO BENEFIT IN TERMS OF A LOT LESS EXPENSIVE TO TAKE THE TRAIN THAN A CAR. THE KEY WE GET TO FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT, HOW DO YOU THINK ABOUT A SET OF INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ENCOURAGE THOSE ELEMES, ST COVID, WE HAVE THIS CLEAR SET OF PURELY REMOTE WORKERS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE PRE-COVID, THINKING ABOUT A SET OF AMENITIES THAT WILL ATTRACT THEM, BECOMES ACTUALLY A IMPORTANT CONVERSATION, PARK, TRAIL SYSTEMS, FIGURE INTO THAT CONVERSATION A LOT MORE THAN WOULD HAVE SAID PRE-COVID. AGAIN, THIS RALE IMPORTANT CONVERSATION ABOUT OUR RESEARCH IN TECHNOLOGY DISTRICT AND HOW WE ACTIVELY PRESERVE THOSE JOBS BUT ALSO THINK ABOUT THEM AS RETENTION OPPORTUNITIES, SO HOW MANY OF THESE COMPANIES ARE READY TO GROW INTO NEW SPACE, DO WE HAVE A PLACE FOR THEM TO GO. LAST BUT NOT LEAST, ALSO IN THAT SAME DISTRICT WE HAVE TO PLAY ATTENTION TO OLD BUILDINGS, IF IT'S A 50, 60-YEAR-OLD BUILDING, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT A SET OF STRATEGIES TO WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER TO ENCOURAGE A CHANGE IN USE OVER TIME, BUT AGAIN THOSE OLDER BUILDINGS THINKING ABOUT HOW THEY EVOLVE BECOMES A BIGGER QUESTION. LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WE SPENT THE LAST 20 YEARS EITHER BUILDING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR LARGER APARTMENTS, I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET TO DIVERSE HOUSING. THE LANDSOT CHEAP. HOW WE CAN LEVERAGE SOME DENSITY TO GET TO REASONABLE PRICE POINTS BUT ALSO A BROADER MIX OF TYPES OF PRODUCTS WHERE PEOPLE CAN TAKE A TRAIN TO A FEW PLACES. QUESTIONS COMMENTS? >> WE HAVE TIME FOR ABOUT TWO QUESTIONS. ANYBODY HAVE A QUESTION? COUNCILMEMBER GRADY. >> Grady: JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS, I READ YOUR STUDY, HAS SOME WONDERFUL POINTS IN IT, I WANTED TO ADD TO THAT, BUT I ALSO HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS PRIMARILY ON THE -- ON THE -- HOUSING AND HOUSING TYPES. SOME OF THE STUDIES THAT I'VE BEEN READING, MILLENIALS ARE NOW SHIFTING AGAIN. ESPECIALLY THE LEADING EDGE MILLENIALS AND THEY'RE SHIFTING INTO THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL RATHER THAN MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL FOR MULTIPLE REASONS AND PURPOSES. AND I DIDN'T -- I DIDN'T SEE A LOT OF DATA IN THE STUDY THAT INDICATED THAT, AND SO MY CONCERN WHEN I STARTED READING IT WAS WE'RE DEALING WITH A SHIFT AGAIN IN THE DEMOGRAPHS AND THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT THEY WANT TO DO, AND IT MAY BE THAT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT, AS YOU MENTIONED, DIFFERENT TYPES OF PRODUCTS THAT CAN BE BROUGHT IN, BECAUSE OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE COST OF RAW LAND. TO MAKE THE HOUSING OBTAINABLE, IT MAY BE THAT WE START TAKING A LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF SMALLER HOMES OR SMALLER LOTS, AND BEING SOMETHING THAT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE OBTAINABLE. THE OTHER THING THAT I SAW IN HERE WAS CERTAINLY IN SOME OF E OLDER BUILDINGS, WE HAVE ABOUT 50, 60 YEARS OLD, FROM A -- AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT FROM AN ENERGY STANDPOINT, THEY MAY NO LONGER BE SUSTAINABLE AND IT'S ALMOST TO SCRAPE AND REBUILD, AND SO I DIDN'T SEE A LOT OF THAT IN THE STUDY, AND IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT. >> I WOULD SIMPLY COMMENT ON THE MILLENNIAL SIDE, I THINK IN THE LAST YEAR, RIGHT UNTIL FOUR WEEKS AGO THERE WAS A VERY CLEAR TREND OF MILLENIALS SHIFTING OUT OF RENTAL IN OWNER OCCUPANCY, THE GENERAL EXPECTATION IS THEY WERE GOING TO SKIP THE ENTRY LEVEL HOUSE AND THEY HAD SAVED UP MONEY, SO THEY WERE MOVING INTO, YOU KNOW, THAT SECOND HOUSE, AND I THINK THAT WAS THE EXPECTATION I WOULD SUSPECT IS GOING TO BE A COOL OFF IN THE SHORT-TERM, BUT THERE'S ALSO A PRACTICAL INVENTORY CHALLENGE, LIKE WE'RE JUST BOTH THE METROPLEX, THE US IS SHORT OF HOUSING UNITS RIGHT NOW, I THINK THAT IS PART OF THE STRUCTURAL PIECE, WE WOULD SAY WITH THE BOOMER STEPPING BACK, THE MILLENNIAL PIECE IS CLEARLY AT THE FOREFRONT ON DEMAND. I WOULD SAY ON THE INDUSTRIAL SIDE MY BIGGEST SURPRL PROPERTIES SOUTH OF RAILROAD TRACKS OVERALL LOOKED PRETTY SOLID TO ME, LIKE WE WEREN'T SEEING THE KIND OF VACANCY OR THE SHIFT IN TENANTS DOING WORK IN OTHER INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, SO I WAS PRESENTLY SURPRISED, I THINK NORTH OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS THERE WERE LOCATIONS WHERE WE WOULD SEE A CHANGE IN USE HAPPEN. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> SURPRISINGLY, COUNCILMAN GRADY ASKED THE SAME OR SIMILAR QUESTION THAT I DID, SO I YIELD MY TIME. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> IS THAT IT? >> TT'S IT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, WE APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION. >> THANK YOU. >> ITEM NUMBER 3, HOUSING TRENDS ANALYSIS, LORI SCHWARZ, DIRECTOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. >> >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, MAYOR PRO TEM, CITY COUNCIL, CITY EXECUTIVES, WE ARE HERE TONIGHT TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE TON THE HOUSING TRENDS ANALYSIS, AND I BELIEVE THAT MOST OF YOU WERE AT LEAST PARTY TO AT LEAST SAW SOME PART OF THE IT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE A QUICK BACKGROUND TO REVIEW KIND OF WHERE WE'VE COME FROM. SO OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS HTHERE HAVE BEEN TWO MAIN STUDIES LOOKING AT OUR HOUSING MARKET. FIRST ONE WAS THE STUDY DONE IN 2014, THE HOUSING VALUE RETENTION ANALYSIS, AND THE GOALS OF THIS STUDY ARE LISTED HERE, AND IT WAS PRIMARILY LOOKING AT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR PROGRAMS THAT WOULD HELP US RETAIN VALUE OF OUR HOUSING, SO WE WERE CLEARLY IN QUITE A DIFFERENT MARKET AT THAT POINT, BECAUSE WE WERE RECESSION.G OUTF TH AND THIS SLIDE HERE, THIS SHOWS MORE OF THE ASSESSMENT OF HOUSING MARKET CHANGES PER NEIGHBORHOOD UNIT, WHICH ARE ABOUT THE ONE MILE BY ONE MILE SQUARES THAT PLANO IS BASED UPON, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS IS SHOWING HOW HOUSING MARKETS WERE SHIFTING EITHER INTERNALLY OR WITHIN THE REGION, JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS WERE DOING OVER TIME. SO WHEN WE MOVED IN TO THE HOUSING TRENDS ANALYSIS IN 2018, THERE HAD BN A CLEAR SHIFT IN THE HOUSING MARKET IN JUST THAT SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME, AND SO WHAT WE WERE LOOKING MORE SPECIFICALLY AT WERE MARKET CONDITIONS AT THE TIME, SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO SUPPLY AND DEMAND, AND YOU HEARD A LITTLE BIT TODAY, SILVER LINE PRESENTATION ABOUT HOW THAT HAS EVEN CHANGED FURTHER SINCE 2018, SO AS HOUSING PRICES SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED FROM THE HOUSING VALUE RETENTION ANALYSIS STUDY, WE ALSO HAVE SEEN HOUSING AFFORDABILITY BE AN ISSUE ACROSS PLANO, AND THAT WAS ALSO LOOKED AT UNDERSTANDING SORT OF THE IMPLICATIONS AND THE IMPACT THAT CHANGE OVER THE LTEWD THEN WE ALSO LOOKED AT CASE STUDIES, AND OTHER JURISDICTIONS POLICIES TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR OPTIONS WERE AT THE CITY OF PLANO FOR MOVING FORWARD. SO JUST AS A QUICK TIME LINE, TO REVIEW, THIS PLAN WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED BACK IN FY'20 17-2018. WE DID HAVE A -- AN ECONOMIC PLANNING SYSTEMS WAS OUR CONSULTANT AT THE TIME. THEY DID WORK WITH A ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT WAS APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AND WE WORKED WITH THAT ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS, LOOKING AT A HOUSING SURVEY THAT WE DID, CITYWIDE. FOCUS GROUP MEETINGS, STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEWS AND THEN PUBLIC MEETINGS, SO IN NOVEMBER OF 2018, WE BROUGHT BACK THE FINAL REPORT TO CITY COUNCIL AND TALKED THROUGH THAT PROCESS IN NOVEMBER 2018. AND THEN IN AUGUST 2019, WE ENDED UP WITH SOME UPDATED MARKET ANALYSIS AND BROUGHT BACK SOME POSSIBLE POLICY STATEMENTS FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER AT THAT TIME. DURING THAT DISCUSSION, COUNCIL DID SUPPORT THESE THREE POLICY STATEMENTS, AND ASKED THAT WE BRING BACK SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ADDITIONAL OBJECTIVES AND ACTIONS MOVING FORWARD INTO NOVEMBER 2019. HOWEVER, AT THAT TIME, WE WERE IN THE PROCESS OF LOOKING AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE, AND SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVIEW COMMITTEE WAS CREATED AND AFTER DISCUSSIONS WITH CITY MANAGERMENT WE DID DETERMINE WE WANTED TO PAUSE BRINGING FURTHER POLICY OBJECTIONS OR ACTIONS TO ALLOW THE TIME TO WORK. SO THAT IS WHAT WE DID. IN NOVEMBER 2021, WE HA THE ADOPTION OFUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THERE ARE TWO SPECIFIC MONTHLICIES THAT ARE ALIGNED WITH THOSE THREE POLICY STATEMENTS THAT WE HAD BROUGHT TO THE CITY COUNCIL PRIOR TO THAT NOVEMBER 2019 CREATION, AND THOSE ARE LISTED HERE FOR YOU, IT'S THE SPECIAL HOUSING NEEDS POLICY AS WELL AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION POLICY. SO UNDER THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION POLICY, THERE ARE TWO SPECIFIC ACTIONS, N C 2 AND NC4 THAT REFERENCE THE HOUSING STUDIES THAT WE HAVE DONE OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS, WHICH IS THE HOUSING VALUE RETENTION ANALYSIS AS WELL AS THE HOUSING TRENDS ANALYSIS. I ALSO WANT TO NOTE THAT THE CONSOLIDATED PLAN WHICH IS ALSO A WAY OF LOOKING AT HOUSING AS IT RELATES TO THE FEDERAL FUNDS THAT WE GET FROM THE HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ALSO LOOK AT THAT HAS HOUSING REFERENCES. SO AS OF THIS POINT, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT WE WORK TOWARD COMPLETING N C-2 AND NC4 ACTS OF THE 2021 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE WILL BE WORKING COOPERATIVELY WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO CONTINUE LOOKING AND GETTING UPDATED HOUSING MARKET DATA. WE'VE ALREADY HAD A PRELIMINARY CONVERSATION WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND INTEND TO HAVE A FOLLOW-UP MEETING IN THE NEXT WEEK. AND THEN OUR GOAL IS JUST TO TAKE THAT NEW DATA, ANALYZE IT WITH OUR EXISTING HOUSING STUDIES, AND ADAPTED PLANS AND THEN BRING SOME FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS BACK TO LATER THIS FALL. BUT THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION THIS EVENING. I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF ANYBOD HAS THEM. >> THANK YOU, ANY QUESTIONS? >> YES. >> COUNCILMEMBER GRADY? >> Grady: THIS IS MY FIELD. COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO JUST KIND OF REITERATE AND MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT AS WE'RE DOING THIS ANALYSIS. FIRST I DID HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO READ THE HOUSING TRENDS ANALYSIS. I THINK IT'S 187 PAGES INCLUDING THE COVER. THE SUPPLY AND DEMAND OF HOUSING AND THE COST OF HOUSING IS AMPLIFIED BY A LOT OF DIFFERENT SUPPLY AND DEMAND LINE, PART OF WHICH IS MATERIALS, PART OF WHICH IS LABOR AND COST, PART OF WHICH IS LAND VALUES, PART OF WHICH IS FINANCE, AS WE TAKE A LOOK AT THESE TYPES OF TRENDS AND BEGIN TO DEVELOP POLICIES FOR THEM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK -- I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL IS WE LOOK A LITTLE BIT FARTHER OUT INTO THE 10 TO 20 YEAR TIME FRAME TO GET SOME DATA OR GET SOME THOUGHTS OF WHERE THOSE TRENDS MAY GO, BECAUSE I DON'T SEE SOME OF THEM BEING SUSTAINABLE. WE DON'T KNOW OBVIOUSLY WHERE THE FINANCIAL INDUSTRY WILL GO, BUT I THINK FROM A LABOR STANDPOINT, I THINK FROM A MATERIAL STANDPOINT, WE MAY SEE IN THE NEXT FIVE TO TEN YEARS THE DECREASE IN THE COST OF THOSE BECAUSE PART OF THE COST OF THOSE ARE ARTIFICIALLY ELEVATED DUE TO TARIFFS AND VARIOUS OTHER -- VARIOUS OTHER ELEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN, INCLUDING THE IMPORT DUTIES AND SUCH. SO I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE SOME OF THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS WE DEFINE SOME OF THE POLICY ASS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE TYPES OF THINGS WE WOULD LIKE BUILT, AND I THINK AGAIN WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE TYPES OF STRUCTURES SO THAT THE HOMES ARE MORE OBTAINABLE, I'M NOT SAYING AFFORDABLE, I'M SAYING OBTAINABLE FROM THE STANDPOINT THOSE WHO WANT TO BUY, A FIRST TIME HOME BUYER, ESPECIALLY THE LEADING EDGE MILLENIALS, THERE ARE MILLIONS OF THEM AND THEY'RE BEGINNING TO BUY HOMES. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? MAYOR, I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE YOU OUT, IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. GOOD. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, LORI. >> WE WILL BE BACK TO SEE YOU IN A FEW MONTHS. >> OKAY. ITEM NUMBER 4, DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION ON THE HOMELESS UPDATE, WITH EADEN, HOUSING AND COMMUNITY SERVICES MANAGER. >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, CITY EXECUTIVES, I'M HERE TO ALL DISCUSSED OR WE TALKED SEPTEMBER 27th OF LAST YEAR, AND I WANT TO TELL YOU WHERE WE ARE AT AS OF NOW. I SAID I WOULD COME BACK AFTER TALKING. I'M BACK. I WANT TO GIVE YOU WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. WE HAD THE POINT IN TIME COUNT THIS YEAR, WE DO IT ANNUALLY, YOU SEE ON HERE, THERE'S A NEW NUMBER ADDED FROM WHAT YOU SAW IN SEPTEMBER, AND THAT IS A NUMBER OF 103, THAT IS THE SHELTERED COUNT FROM OUR HOMELESS CENSUS THIS YEAR. THAT 103, THOUGH S. A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT REPRENTSNLY THE SURVEYS CONDUCTED AT THE PLANO OVERNIGHT WARMING STATION. FEBRUARY 24th, THIS YEAR, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE HOMELESS CENSUS, THAT'S WHEN THE WEATHER WAS REALLY BAD, AND SO WE HAD TO TELL 100 VOLUNTEERS THAT WE WEREN'T GOING TO USE VOLUNTEERS THAT NIGHT. THE WAY STAFF APPROACHED IT, WON'T TO THE PLANO OVERNIGHT WARMING SHELTER TRAINED THEIR VOLUNTEERS TO GO AHEAD AND ENTER THE SURVEYS. THERE WERE 103 ENTERED ON THAT NIGHT. I SAY THAT IS PRELIMINARY, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANY OTHER ORNIZATIONS TT ACALLY WENT OUT AND HAD PEOPLE COME. A GOOD EXAMPLE IS LAST YEAR, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS, THERE WERE THREE HOMELESS YOUTH THAT ENDED UP AT CITY HOUSE THAT NIGHT WHEN YET AGAIN WE HAD ONLY COUNT WHO WAS AT THE PLANO OVERNIGHT WARMING STATION. THE ONE THING I WANT TO POINT OUT HERE, IS WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR UNSHELTERED HOMELESS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THIS TOPIC IS GOING TO BE MORE FOCUSED ON BRIEFLY, YOU SEE THE NUMBERS HAVE GONE UP AND DOWN AND UP AND DOWN, ON AVERAGE, IT'S ABOUT A HUNDRED, SO OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THESE NUMBERS, I WANT YOU TO REMEMBER THERE'S A HUNDRED UNSHELTERED GIVE OR TAKE EVERY SINGLE YEARHAT WE SEE ON THAT ONE NIGHT HERE IN PLANO. YOU WILL GET AN UPDATED REPORT, BUT IT WILL BE IN APRIL. SO RIGHT NOW IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE DATA, METRO DALLAS HOMELESS ALLIANCE HAS A CONSULTANT LOOKING AT NOT ONLY COLLIN COUNTY'S DATA, BUT DALLAS COUNTY'S DATA. YOU ALL IS WILL HAVE A REPORT FOR YOU TO LOOK AT AND LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS SHELTERED AND UNSHELTERED. WE CONDUCT OUTREACH AT THE CITY. I'VE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE. WE'VE BEEN DOING IT THE PAST YEAR, WE GO OUT PROACTIVELY, AT LEAST TWO TIMES A WEEK, ONE IN THE MORNING, ONE IN THE AFTERNON, WE TAKE A SATURDAY WHERE WE'RE GOING OUT INTO OUR COMMUNITY LOOKING AT KNOWN PLACES WHERE THERE'S HOMELESS, WE GO OUT WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WE ARE QUITE CLOSE AND FRIENDS WITH THEM, A LOT OF TIME, SOMETIMES WE'LL EVEN TAKE FIRE. THEY'VE GOT THE COMMUNITY PARAMEDICS THAT ARE VERY HELPFUL AS WELL, WE'LL GO OUT TOGETHER AND WE WILL TALK TO PEOPLE AS WELL AS WE'LL GO OUT INDIVIDUALLY, HAVE SOMEONE ON THE TEAM THAT DOES THAT. SO IN STREET OUTREACH, THIS LAST YEAR, THERE WERE 304 ENCOUNTER, AND THAT'S A T. WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT'S UNIQUE. I'M NOT TELLING YOU THERE ARE 304 UNSHELTERED HOMELESS, THESE ENCOUNTERS ALTHOUGH THEY ARE UNIQUE IN NATURE, SOME OF THE INDIVIDUALS DIDN'T SLEEP HERE IN PLANO, BUT DID WE ENCOUNTER THEM? WERE THEY ON OUR STREETS THROUGHOUT THE DAY? YES, THEY WERE. AS WE CONTINUE LOOKING AT THESE NUMBERS, YOU ARE WONDERING, WELL, HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE NUMBERS THAT WE'VE ENCOUNTERED BEFORE? A GOOD PORTION. I WOULD TELL YOU AT LEAST 50%F E 304 WE HAVE SEEN THOSE SAME PEOPLE YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR THAT ARE HERE IN PLANO, AND ALTHOUGH THIS IS A TRANSIENT POPULATION, WE HAVE SEEN THEM CONSISTENTLY BEING HERE. LET'S MOVE ON TO OTHER FACTORS ON HOW WE APPROACH HOMELESSNESS OR HAVE CONSTRAINED OR HELPED US WITH OUR HOMELESS CONCERNS HERE IN PLANO. I KNOW YOU ALL ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT, SO I'M GOING TO BE REALLY QUICK WHEN WE'REALKING ABOUT IT. IT PROHIBITS CAMPING IN OPEN SPACES, IN PUBLIC SPACES. THAT COULD MEAN ON THE SIDE OF A CHURCH HERE IN DOWNTOWN PLANO BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WAS A CHURCH THAT USED TO HAVE A STAY THERE. IF YOU CAN SEE IT, IT'S CONSIDERED OPEN EVEN THOUGH IT'S PRIVATE CONSIDERED AN OPEN SPAC. CAMPING ALSO MEANS NEEDS TO TEMPORARILY RESIDE IN SPACE. I MEAN SHELTER. DO I MEAN? ARE YOU CARRYING A SLEENK BAG? ARE YOU IN A TARP OR ANY HAND-HELD DEVICE MAYBE TO SHELTER YOU FROM THE ELEMENTS? THAT'S INCLUDED IN SHELTER. AS THIS BILL SAYS, YOU CAN'T DO IT. WHAT EXACTLY ARE WE DOING HERE IN PLANO AS IT RELATES TO HB 1925? WHEN THE BILL CAME OUT, WE ACTUALLY WENT OUT TO BUSINESSES HERE DOWNTOWN. WE SPOKE TO BUSINESSES AS WELL AS HOMELESSNESS AND GAVE THEM INFORMATION JUST REGARDING TO, HEY, THIS BILL DOES EXIST. NOT ONLY DOES IT EXIST, BUT THESE ARE THE CONFINES OF THE BILL TO OUR HOMELESS WE OFFERED SERVICES. THE BILL ALSO SAYS THAT WHEN YOU ARE ENCOUNTERING SOMEONE THAT IS DOING THIS, YOU HAVE GOT TO OFFER THEM ALTERNATIVE CAMPING LOCATIONS, SO YOU HAVE TO TELL THEM, HEY, THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN GO, BUT YOU CAN'T STAY HERE. YOU ALSO HAVE TO GIVE THEM RESOURCES. SOCIAL SERVICES. YOU HAVE TO CONNECT THEM TO SOCIAL SERVICES AND INCLUDE INFORMATION ABOUT HUMAN TRAFFICKING, WHICH IS REALLY IMPORTANT. WE HAND OUT THESE. RIGHT? WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT CAMPING, WE GIVE THESE TO BUSINESSES. WE GIVE THESE HO HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS THAT WE ENCOUNTER, THE ONES THAT COME T O OFFICE. LIBRARY HAS THEM. POLICE HAS THEM. PARKS AND REC HAS THEM. YOU CAN HAVE THEM TOO IF YOU WANT TO CARRY THEM IN YOUR CAR. JUST TELL MARC. WE'LL GET THEM TO YOU. WHAT IT HAS ARE ALL OF THE CAMPING LOCATIONS. WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT CAMPING LOCATIONS THAT ARE FREE, BECAUSE TYPICALLY HOMELESS -- SOME OF THE OUTDOOR UNSHELTERED HOMELESS DON'T HAVE FUNDS. THE CLOSEST LOCATION, I BELIEVE, IS FURTHER THAN 20 MILES OUT. THERE'S A LIST, AND YOU CAN SEE A LONG LIST, BUT I WON'T BELABOR THIS POINT. WHEN YOU GET TO PLACES WHERE YOU HAVE TO PAY, THERE ARE SOME SHELTERING PLACESHEREOU HAVE TO PAY $7 A NIGHT. THINGS LIKE THAT. THROWS DO EXIST TOO, BUT THEY STILL ARE FAR. WE ARE FOCUSED IN PLANO ON A THREE-PRONGED APPROACH TO ADDRESSING UNSHELTERED HOMELESS. THE FIRST THING WE DO IS STREET OUTREACH, WHICH I'VE ALREADY SAID. THAT'S SOMETHING WE DO. WE'LL DO IT IF ANY OTHER NEW BILLS COME OUT, WE'LL DEFINITELY DO IT THEN. WE CONTINUE TO TRY TO EDUCATE OUR HOMELESS AS WELL AS OUR BUSINESS OWNERS AS WELL AS OUR RESIDENTS. ANY TIME WE GET THE OPPORTUNITY. ON WHAT HB 1925 MEANS AND EVEN WHAT HOMELESS IS AND HOW THE CITY IS ADDRESSING HOMELESSNESS, WHETHER THAT BILL EXISTED OR WHETHER IT DIDN'T. IN STREET OUTREACH WE ARE GOING OUT AND TRYING TO INTERACT WITH OUR HOMELESS. THEY ARE COMING INTO OUR BUILDING. IT'S NICE THAT WE ARE NOW LOCATED DOWNTOWN. WE HAVE GREAT ACCESS, AND THERE'S GREAT ACCESS FOR OUR HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS TO COME, AND WE HELP THEM. WE PROVIDE THEM WITH SERVICES. WE MIGHT GIVE THEM HYGIENE KITS, FOOD KITS, AND THESE. THE NEXT THING WE DO IS SERVICE COORDINATION, WHICH IS A BIG DEAL. AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE LIMITED ON HOUSING AND ON SHELTERS HERE IN PLANO. IF YOU ARE SINGLE, IF YOU LOOKED AT THAT OTHER SLIDE WITH THE 304 ENCOUNTERS, THE MAJORITY OF THOSE WERE SINGLE MEN. IF YOU ARE A YOUTH OR IF YOU ARE A SURVIVOR OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, WE HAVE AN EMERGENCY SHELTER HERE THAT CAN ASSIST YOU,BUT AS FAR AS SINGLE MEN, THERE IS NOT A PLACE OTHER THAN WHEN IT'S COLD, AND WE HAVE THE PLANO OVERNIGHT WARMING STATION. THERE'S A PLACE THERE. OR YOU COULD GO TO THE SAMARITAN INN. THAT'S TRANSITIONAL. YOU'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS, AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO LET YOU IN. EITHER WAY IT GOES, WE HEM THEM BY WORKING WITH OTHER AGENCIES THAT ARE LOCATED THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY AND THE METROPLEX. THAT'S WHY HIMS IS LOCATED ON THIS SCREEN. IT'S A INFORMATION SYSTEM. WE SHARE IT WITH A LOT OF OTHER HOUSING AGENCIES THAT HELP HOMELESS. THAT IS WHAT WE FOCUS ON. THE THIRD THING WE DO WHILE WE'RE DOING THAT SERVICE COORDINATION, BECAUSE THERE RE MORE SERVICES THAT ARE OUTSIDE, BUT WHILE WE'RE DOING SERVICE COORDINATION, WE ALSO HAVE OUR OWN HOUSING PLACEMENT HERE IN THE CITY OF PLANO. WE HAVE A RAPID REHOUSING PROGRAM, AND WE HAVE A TENANT BASED RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM. BOTH PROGRAMS ARE FOCUSED ON LI INDIVIDUALS, ABOUT UT WE DON'T JUST HOUSE. WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THEM WITH INTENSE CASE MANAGEMENT AND WE HAVE AGENCIES THAT HELP US DO THAT. THAT'S OUR APPROACH RIGHT NOW. WHETHER HE CAME BEFORE YOU IN SEPTEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT HOME ART FUNDS. THOSE ARE FUNDS SET ASIDE FROM THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT. THESE ARE THE ALLOWABLE ACTIVITIES. IT'S VERY SPECIFIC IN THAT THESE FUNDS HAVE TO BE USED ON HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS. THOSE THAT ARE HOMELESS OR AT RISK OF HOMELESSNESS, WHICH IS WHY YOU SEE THESE OPTIONS HERE. THE FIRST OPTION I MENTIONED BEFORE WAS A HOTEL NVERSION, AND I'M JUST GOING TO GO BACK THROUGH THEM VERY QUICKLY SO THAT YOU ALL REMEMBER WHAT WAS DISCUSSED IN SEPTEMBER. HOTEL CONVERSION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS. IT'S GOING TO CREATE HOUSING FOR OUR HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS. IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU WOULD HAVE TO QUICKLY GO IN AND GET OUT. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE TEMPORARY IN NATURE. IT'S GOING TO BE MORE LONG WHERE PEOPLE WOULD END UP PAYING RENT TO ACTUALLY EVEN STAY THERE. WE, OF COURSE, WOULDN'T OPERATE THAT. WE DON'T OPERATE OR HAVE ENOUGH STAFF. NOR IS IT THE CITY'S PLACE TO NECESSARILY OPERATE THINGS LIKE A ELTE WE ALWAYS HAVE WONDERFUL NONPROFIT PARTNERS THAT WE FOCUS ON AND WE WORK WITH TO PROVIDE THERE'S SVRSS. TYPICALLY WE WILL ASSIST IN PROVIDING THE FUNDING MECHANISM FOR IT, BUT IT'S A NONPROFIT PARTNER THAT'S HERE THAT STUCK UP AND THAT TAKE ON THE LARGE TASK AT HAND. THEN WE'VE GOT A REGULAR TENANT-BASED RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM. TAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE ALREADY RIGHT NOW FOR HOMELESS THAT HAVE BEEN AFFECTED BY COVID. IT IS A LOT LIKE RAPID REHOUSING, WHICH YOU KNOW ABOUT. THAT ONE IS A 12-MONTH PROGRAM WHERE WE PROVIDE RENT UTILITY ASSISTANCES AS WELL AS CASE MANAGEMENT TO HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS. THE KEY ABOUT THIS IS THAT JUST LIKE RAPID REHOUSE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMEWHERE TO STAY. THERE HAS TO BE HOUSING FOR YOU TO MOVE IN THAT YOU CAN AFFORD, AND NOT ONLY THAT, THAT'SOTOLOGY TAKE PAYMENT FROM AN ORGANIZATION THAT'S NOT FROM THE INDIVIDUAL STANDING RIGHT THERE AS THEY ARE SIGNING THE LEASE. THROUGH THESE MONTHS OUR IDEA OF IF IT IS A HOTEL CONVERSION, IT HAS BEEN EXPANDED TO MAYBE THERE'S ANOTHER TYPE OF COMMERCIAL BUILDING. THAT'S HOW I WANT YOU ALL TO LOOK AT THESE OPTIONS, WHICH I'M NOT ASKING FOR YOU TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THEM TONIGHT OR MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT. LET ME GO ON TO THE LAST ONE. THIS IS THE COMMUNITY CIRCLE. THIS IS WITHOUT THE USE OF ANY FEDERAL FUNDS. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE ALREADY. THE IDEA IS YOU GET NONPROFITS TOGETHER THAT ARE ACTUALLY PROVIDING A SPECIFIC SERVICE AND YOU APPROACH HOMELESSNESS ONE BY ONE. YOU TAKE THEM OFF THE STREET AND REHOUSE THEM. YOU HAVE AN AGENCY THERE THAT'S GOING TO PROVIDE MEDICAL AND SOMEONE THAT'S GOING TO BE THEIR CASE MANAGER. IT'S A GROUP APPROACH TO HELPING THE HOMELESS INDIVIDUAL. NO MONEY ATTACHED TO THIS ONE. I ENDED UP MEETING WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY. I HAD ABOUT FIVE MEETINGS OVER THE COURSE OF THESE MONTHS. THE LAST ONE IS I A MEETING I HAD WITH NONPROFIT SHELTER PROVIDERS AND THOSE THAT WERE DOING STREET OUTREACH. YOCAN E THE REPRESENTATIVES HERE. EVERY SHELTER HERE IN OUR CITY WAS ON THIS CALL, AND NOT ONLY THAT, WE HAD TRANSITIONAL SHELTERS ON THIS CALL PLUS OUR EMERGENCY SHELTERS. WE HAD AN AGENCY THAT CONDUCTS STREET OUTREACH NEAR PLANO. WE HAD ANOTHER AGENCY THAT IS A FAITH-BASED ORGANIZATION, BUT THAT WE LEAN ON A LOT TO ASSIST US WHEN WE CAN'T HELP SOMEBODY IN MAYBE PAYING FOR A HOTEL, MOTEL OR FOR PAYING FOR THEIR RENT. THEY WILL DO IT WHEN WE CAN'T. REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE COLIN COUNTY HOMELESS COALITION AS WE. WE DISCUSS EACH OF THOSE OPTIONS MORE IN DEPTH THAN WHAT I'M DOING TONIGHT WITH THEM. THESE ARE THE RESULTS. WHAT THEY SAID IN THAT MEETING IS IF PLANO IS THINKING ABOUT DOING ANYTHING, THE BEST OPTION OF THOSE FOUR, WHICH MIGHT BE THOSE FOUR OPTIONS PRESENTED ARE THE ELIGIBLE OPTIONS THAT HUD WILL ALLOW US TO DO WITH OUR FUNDS. THEY SAID THE BEST OPTION WOULD BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND IT NEEDS TO HAVE WRAP-AROUND SERVICES, AND IT WOULD. THEY SAID IT WOULD SOLVE THE RACK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING BECAUSE THE PROBLEM THAT THEY EXPRESSED IS ONCE YOU LEAVE TRANSITIONAL HOUSING OR ONCE YOU LEAVE THE EMERGENCY SHELTER, IF YOU CANNOT FIND A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY AFFORD AND STAY, THEN IT DOESN'T HELP YOUR SITUATION. YOUR TIME HAS RUN OUT. THE NEXT BEST OPTION THEY SAID IS A NONCONGREGANT SHELTER, BUT THEY SAID IT NEEDS TO BE A COUNTY-LED ENDEAVOR. THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT PLANO EVEN LEADING THAT, AND I AGREE WHOLE HEARTEDLY WITH THAT BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING HOMELESS COME IN FOR EVERYBODY. YOU HAVE OTHER CITIES. THEY SAID THE THIRD IS, HEY, GO AHEAD WITH ANOTHER TENANT-BASED RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM. HOWEVER, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO FIND PLACES FOR THEM TO LIVE? THAT WAS THE CONCERN. RIGHT NOW TWO OF OUR ACTUALLY BOTH OF OUR DOMESTIC VIOLATION AGENCIES HAVE VOUCHERS FOR THEIR SURVIVORS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE LACK OF VOUCHERS. IT'S FINDING A PLACE FOR THEM TO STAY THAT TAKES THEM. WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS? WHY EXACTLY AM I HERE? I'M HERE WHEN THINKING ABOUT ALL OF THAT. I SAID I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO SELECT AN OPTION AT THIS TIME. WHAT I AM ASKING YOU TO DO IS I WOULD LIKE -- WE WOULD LIKE THE CITY TO GO AHEAD AND APPLY FOR THE HUD FUNDS. WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET. HUD RELEASED IT TO US ACTUALLY BACK IN MAY AND JUNE OF 2021. EXCUSE ME FOR THAT. WE HAVE $1.9 MILLION. 15% WILL BE FOR ADMINISTRATION. THE INTERESTING THING AND THE GOOD THING THAT OUR HUD REP TOLD ME ON THE PHONE IS IF YOU ALL WOULD AT LEAST APPLY FOR THE FUNDS, THEN YOU COULD GDZ AND HIRE A CONSULTANT TO DO A STUDY SO THAT YOUR COUNCIL COULD HAVE ALL OF THE INFORMATION BEFORE THEM TO DETERMINE WHAT IS THE OPTION AND HOW WE WOULD BEST USE THE FUNDS? IT REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE YOU ALL AND PUBLIC NOTICE IN THE NEWSPAPER. ONCE HUD RELEASED THOSE FUNDS TO US, WE CAN DO AN RFP FOR A CONSULTANT AND HAVE THAT RFP OUT AND GOING BY AUGUST OF THIS YEAR IS HE LATEST. THAT WOULD -- THE CONSULTANT WOULD FOCUS ON LITERALLY A NEIGHBORHOOD-BASED COMMUNITY INPUT APPROACH BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT I HAVE LEARNED FROM OUR LARGER SISTER CITIES AND WHAT HAS BEEN PREACHED TO ME OVER THESE MEETINGS THAT I'VE HAD IS THAT YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE COMMUNITY FIRST. BEFORE ANYBODY MAKES ANY DECISIONS, GO TO THE COMMUNITY. WHAT WE WOULD LOOK AT IS OUR DEPARTMENT IS VERY USED TO AND COMFORTABLE TALKING TO NEIGHBORHOODS. WE WOULD GO TO NEIGHBORHOOD APPROACH. JUST LIKE OUR BEST NEIGHBORHOODS USES. WE WOULD WORK CLOSELY WITH THEM TO TALK TO ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS. BOTH VOLUNTARY AND THOSE THAT ARE JUST MANDATORY HOA GROUPS. WE WOULD ALSO LOOK AT GOING TO PLACES LIKE THE SENIOR CENTER WHERE WE CAN GET PEOPLE AND HAVE THEIR OPINION AND THEIR INPUT. IT'S THROUGH LOOKING AT THEIR INPUT AND LKING AT THE DATA THAT A CONSULTANT WOULD COME UP WITH TO BRING BACK TO YOU ALL WHICH HOPEFULLY WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED AND IT'S IN THAT IMPLEMENTATION BY AT THE LAST MARCH OF 2023. WE HAVE UNTIL 2030 TO USE THESE FUNDS, BUT ONE THING OUR HUD REP TOLD ME ON THE PHONE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO IS DON'T WAIT UNTIL 2030. GO AHEAD AND AT LEAST TAKE THE TIME TO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU ALL WANT TO DO THIS, WHAT'S THE BT APPROACH? THAT'S WHAT I'M HOPING YOU ALL WILL ALLOW US TO DO TONIGHT AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. >> ONE OF THE COMMENTS YOU MADE EARLY IN ON THIS WAS THE ASPECT OF THE OUTREACH THAT HAPPENS TWICE A WEEK. I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD A LOT OF COMMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THIS T -- YOU MENTIONED THAT TWICE A WEEK WE GO OUT MORNING, EVENING, SOMETIMES ON SATURDAYS TO MAKE CONTACT WITH FOLKS THAT MAY NEED ASSISTANCE. WE OFFER THAT ASSISTANCE, YOU HAVE THAT'S BEEN SENT OUT TO EVERYBODY THAT HAS RESOURCES AVAILABLE. THOSE FOLKS HAVE THAT FUNT TO RECEIVE ASSISTANCE, AND THAT IS A TRUE AND CORRECT STATEMENT. >> YES, SIR. >> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OBVIOUSLY, IT'S GREAT TO HAVE HUD FUNDS BECAUSE THEN IT'S NOT COMING OUT FROM OUR POCKETS. IT'S COMING FROM THE HUD ADMINISTRATION, BUT ARE THERE ANY STRINGS ATTACHED? ARE THERE ANY RESTRICTIONS THAT IS PLACED ON THE CITY WHEN WE'RE TAPPING INTO FEDERAL FUNDS? THE SECOND QUESTION IS ARE THERE ANY OTHER CITIES WHO CURRENTLY ARE IN THE SAME BOAT, I GUESS, AS WE ARE, AND WHO EITHER DECIDE TO GO FORWARD AND THOSE WHO CIDEOT TO GO FORWA AND THE RATIONAL BEHIND THAT? >> THE FIRST QUESTION WITH REGARDS TO ANY KIND OF STRINGS ATTACHED, THEY'RE NO DIFFERENT THAN USING OUR HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT FUNDING. WE TELL THEM THIS IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO USE THE MONEY. WE HAVE TO USE IT IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT THEY SET IN THEIR GUIDELINES. FOR INSTANCE, THOSE FOUR THINGS THAT I MENTIONED, THAT'S IT. WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE. THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEE BEING AT 15%, WE CAN'T GO OVER THAT. THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WOULD CAUSE US TO HAVE TO GIVE D FUNDS BACK, WHICH THAT'S NOT WHAT WE DO HERE AT THE CITY OF PLANO. THAT'S THE -- THOSE ARE THE STRINGS THAT ARE ATTACHED. NOTHING ELSE OTHER THAN WHAT'S IN THE REGULATORY DOCUMENTATION BECAUSE WE ALREADY USE HOMELESS MANAGEMENT INFORMATION SYSTEM. THEY WOULD MAKE US DO THAT. THAT'S A PART OF THE HUD REQUIREMENT IF WE'RE GOING TO USE THESE FUNDS. OTHER THAN THAT, THERE'S NO STRINGS. WITH REGARDS TO THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE -- OR MUNICIPALITIES THAT ARE USING THESE FUNDS AND HAVE SET A PLAN, VERY FEW. I WAS WORRIED THAT PLANO WAS REALLY BEHIND, AND HENCE THE CALL TO THE HUD REP, AND WE'RE NOT THAT BEHIND. HE SAID ACROSS THE COUNTRY THERE HAD BEEN FIVE THAT HAD ACTUALLY PREPARED THE PLAN AND ARE ACTUALLY USING THE FUNDS ACTIVELY RIGHT NOW. IT'S NOT BAD. WE'RE NOT ON THE TAIL END IS WHAT I'M TELLING YOU. HE SAID WHAT'S HAPPENING AND WHAT THEY'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW IS CITIES AND MUNICIPALITIES IF THEY HAVEN'T ALREADY DONE IT, THEY'RE APPLYING FOR THE FUNDS. HIS CONCERN -- HIS QUESTION TO ME WAS WHY AGAIN HAVEN'T YOU ALL AT LEAST SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GO FURTHER AND EVEN THINK ABOUT IT IF YOU DON'T AT LEAST ASK US FOR THE MONEY. WE APPLY FOR THE FUNDS, AND THEY RELEASE THEM TO US, AND THEN WE CAN ACTUALLY START PLANNING. OF THAT 15% WE CAN USE ABOUT $100,000 OF IT UP FRONT FOR A CONSULTANT WITHOUT EVER HAVING A PROJECT SET ASIDE. >> ARE YOU SAYING IF WE -- WE CAN START THE APPLICATION PROCESS AND PLAN FOR STRATEGICA FUND MONEY AND SUBMIT THAT, BUT ULTIMATELY, IT IS OUR CHOICE WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO USE THAT FUND EVEN IF IT'S APPROVED? >> I SHOULD CLARIFY THAT. THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. ONCE WE APPLY FOR THE FUNDS AND WE ACTUALLY GO INTO A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE A CONSULTANT, AND THE CONSULTANT HAS MADE A PLAN, WE THEN NEED TO USE THE MONEY. IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW. I MEAN, IF YOU ALL SAID YOU WANTED TO DO TENANT-BASE THE RENTAL ASSISTANCE AND RUN A PROGRAM IN THE WAY THAT WE DO RIGHT NOW, WE WOULD STILL HAVE USE IT. IF WE DON'T USE IT, LET'S SAY WE TOLD HUD, OKAY, WE DID A PLAN, AND WE DON'T WANT TO USE THIS FUNDS FOR HOMELESSNESS PREVENTION FOR TEN-BASED RENTAL ASSISTANCE, THEN HUD WOULD SAY WE WANT ALL THE MONEY BACK WE'VE USED ON THAT CONSULTANT. THERE'S ENOUGH BROAD OPTIONS, TWO OF WHICH WE'RE ALREADY DOING, THAT I DON'T FORESEE YOU ALL DOING THAT. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION. FOR THE NONCONGREGANT SHELTER, DO WE HAVE AN IDEA HOW MANY INDIVIDUALS WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SERVE, AND CONVERSELY, FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, HOW MANY UNITS WOULD THAT TRANSLATE INTO? >> WE DISCUSSED THAT IN THE SHELTER MEETING. AS FAR AS AFFORDABLE ON THE AFFORDABLE SIDE, THEY SAID NO MORE THAN 150, AND THAT MIGHT BE TOO MANY UNITS. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A LOT BECAUSE OUR NUMBERS AREN'T BIG. THESE ARE FOR RESIDENTS OF PLANO. WE HAVE A WAY IN OUR DEPARTMENT OF DOCUMENTING ARE YOU TRULY PLANO'S HOPELESSLESS BECAUSE IF YOU'RE NOT, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO COME TO THIS SHELTER, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS ACCEPTABLE THAT HUD WOULD ALLOW US TO DO. ON THE NONGONG GANTT SIDE, THIS IS WHY THEY SAID THAT NOOETS NEEDS TO BE A COUNTY-LED INITIATIVE. THEY SAID WE DON HAVE A GOOD KNOB THE AMOUNT OF HOMELESS IN THE COUNTY. PLANO IS JUST AT THAT POINT IN TIME. THEY SAID COUNTY-WIDE WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS AROUND THE AREA, LAKE LABONNE, WHO DON'T HAVE A MUNICIPAL PAMT THEELGTS OUT THERE DOING AT LEAST THE ANNUAL PIT, IT'S TOO HARD TO MAKE A NUMBER UP. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION. I APPRECIATE IT. >> COUNCILMEMBER GRADY. >> JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK POINTS BECAUSE I DID READ THE STUDY, AND I UNDERSTAND. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS THAT I HAVE, AND IT SEEMS TO BE, I GUESS, REVERSES. IN ALL OF THE HOMELESS MATERIAL THAT I HAVE READ, THE FIRST THING THAT WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF IS THE EMERGENCY NEEDS FIRST, WHICH WOULD CALL FOR AN EMERGENCY SHELTERING OF SOME SORT. THEN THEY MOVE INTO A TRANSITIONAL HOUSING AND THEN INTO PERMANENT HOUSING OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, DEPENDING HOW YOU WANT TO DEFINE IT. BY SAYING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE SAYING AS FAR AS IT NEEDS TO BE A COUNTY INITIATIVE, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO ME TO REALLY SOLVE THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DEAL WITH, WHICH IS PEOPLE THAT ARE HOMELESS AND NEED IMMEDIATE ASSISTANCE AND WRAP-AROUND SERVICES. BY NOT HAVING OR NOT AT LEAST WORKING WITH THE COUNTY IN ALL OF THE MUNICIPALITIES WITHIN THE COUNTY TO HAVE AN EMERGENCY SHELTER, I THINK ALL WE'RE DOING IS SAYING WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE HOMELESS ON THE STREETECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY EMERGENCY SHELTER, AND WE DON'T HAVE A DAY CENTER FOR THEM. THAT TO ME IS ONE OF THE ISSUES. THE OTHER ISSUE IS DEALING WITH THE ONGOING OPERATIONAL COSTS, WHICH I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND AFFORDABLE HOUSING HAS. I THINK THERE ARE TWO ELEMENTS WE NEED TO HAVE. FIRST WE NEED A LOCAL NONPROFIT THAT'S A MAJOR ENOUGH TO HANDLE THE OPERATIONS OF THIS THING ON A LONG-TERM BASIS, AND IT NEEDS TO BE FROM WHAT I WOULD CALL A PUBLIC PARTNER -- A PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP SO WE HAVE A P3 THAT'S INVOLVED IN IT OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, AND THERE'S BUY-IN IT WILL HAPPEN OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME BECAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT, I DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE THE RESOURCES OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, AND THEN IT WILL BEGIN TO FAIL. I THINK IT NEEDS TO HAVE A P3 ELEMENT INVOLVED IN IT SOMEWHERE. >> YOU ARE CORRECT. I THINK I REALIZED HOW FAST I WAS TALKING TO YOU ALL. THERE IS A PLACE IN THIS OPTION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS FOR A TRIAGE. JUST FOR THEIR SITUATION THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. IT IS A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO COME WHILE THEY ARE HOLDING ON THEIR ROOM PLACEMENT, WHILE THEY'RE THERE. FOR THOSE THAT ARE PLANO RESIDENTS TO COME. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TRANSITION THAT YOU TALK ABOUT AND WE ARE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT A HOUSING FIRST APPROACH, SO YOU WANT TO HOUSE THEM FIRST, AND THEN YOU CAN GIVE THEM THE INTENSE CASE MLGT THAT'S NEEDED. THE CONCERN THAT OUR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SHELTERS HAVE AND EVEN SAMARITAN INN. THAT HES OUR TRANSITIONAL IN McKINNEY. ONCE THEY TRSITI OUT OF TRANSITIONAL, WHAT HAPPENS? THEY THOUGHT THIS ONE WOULD BE BEST BECAUSE IT SOLVES THAT PROBLEM, AND THEY SAID IT WOULD DEFINITELY NEED TO HAVE THE TRIAGE AREA. NOW, A DAY RESOURCE CENTER, THAT IS ANOTHER TOPIC THAT THESE FUNDS CANNOT BE SPENT ON. HOWEVER, THE COLIN COUNTY HOMELESS COALITION, I KNOW THE C1 PLAN TALKED ABOUT A DAY RESOURCE CENTER. I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE COALITION IS ON THAT. HOWEVER, THAT IS SOMHINGHAT COULD BE A TOPIC. JUST NOT FOR THESE FUNDS. OKAY? DID I ANSWER EVERYTHING? >> WE'RE GOOD. I JUST WANTED BRING THAT UP AS TOPICS TO THINK ABOUT AS WE'RE BEGINNING TO DESIGN THIS BECAUSE I WORRY ABOUT THE LACK OF WRAP-AROUND SERVICES. IN ESSENCE, YOU BRING SOMEBODY IN AND PUT THEM IN A HOUSE. YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH THEM, AND THEY STILL HAVE MENTAL OR PHYSICAL ISSUES AND NO JOB AND FOOD INSECURITY, ET CETERA. >> WE'RE GOING TO CUT THIS OFF ROOIL REAL QUICK, AND IF YOU HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS, WE'RE GOING TO BRING THEM TO MARC, AND WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A SHORT BREAK, AND WE'LL COME BACK. ALL RIGHT? . THANK YOU. >> DOES THIS MEAN WE CAN APPLY FOR THE FUNDS? OKAY. THANK YOU. >> CAN I GET A HEAD NOD AROUND THE DIAS AS FAR AS THE ABILITY TO APPLY AND WORK ON THE PLAN? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. >> WE ARE GOING TO RETURN AT 7:00. (BREAK) ZI NOW DECLARE THAT THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL HAS RECONVENED TO OPEN SESSION AND THAT ALL MEMBERS ARE ARE NOT E PRESENT. OUR MAYOR IS JOINING US VIA ZOOM. WE WILL BEGIN TONIGHT'S REGULAR MEETING WITH INVOCATION LED BY SENIOR PASTOR RANDALL WHIRLY WITH PRAIRIE CREEK BAPTIST CHURCH AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND TEXAS PLEDGE LED BY GIRL SCOUT TROOP, SHEP HE SHOULD ELEMENTARY, WILSON MIDDLE SCHOOL, AND PLANO SENIOR HIGH. >> OUR GOD AND FATHER, WE COME BEFORE YOU HUMBLY TO SEEK YOUR FACE. WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE LIVE IN TROUBLING TIMES. IN ADDITION TO THE NORMAL HATREDS AND GREED OF ANY OTHER TIMEOUR WHOLE WORLD HAS BEEN SHAKEERN BY A PANDEMIC THAT HAS ROCKED ECONOMIES AND PATTERNS OF LIVING. THROW INTO THE MIX MILITANT AGGRESSION BY ONE OF THE MOST HEAVILY FORTIFIED NUCLEAR NATIONS ON EARTH AND PROBLEMS LIKE INFLATION SEEM PETTY IN THE BIGGER PICTURE. I'M REMINDED OF KING JAHASAFAD OF JUDEA THAT FACED THE COALITION OF NEIGHBORING NATION WITH A VAST ARMY COME TO INVADE. HE PRAYED TO YOU, GOD. HE CONCLUDED WITH THESEWORDS, WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO, BUT OUR EYES ARE ON YOU. I'VE BEEN ASKED TO OFFER AN INVOCATION FOR THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL TODAY. I CAN'T BEGIN TO IMAGINE THE MATTERS THEY MUST DECIDE ON. THE MANY LIVES THEY KNOW WILL BE AFFECTED FOR GOOD OR ILL BY EVERY DECISION THEY MAKE. I ASK YOU, LORD, TO GRANT OUR CITY LEADERS WISDOM AS THEY FACE CHALLENGING PROBLEMS AND DECISIONS. MAY EVERY CHOICE THEY MAKEE FOR THE GOOD. NOT MERELY FOR EXPEAED ENSY OR ADVANTAGE. YOU KNOW BETTER THAN ANY THE HURTS AND SORROWS OF EVERY PERSON IN THIS CITY. USE THIS CITY COUNCIL TO ALLEVIATE SUFFERING. TO BRING COMFORT WHERE IT IS NEEDED, TO ENCOURAGE US ALL TO APPROXIMATE YOU ARE SUE THINGS THAT PERTAIN TO VIRTUE RATHER THAN SELFISH CONCERNS. I THANK YOU, GOD, THAT YOU HAVE BROUGHT US U SUCH A DIVERSE POPULATION TO T CITY. I CALL FOR CITY THAT CELEBRATES THE MANY WAYS IN WHICH WE ARE DIFFERENT AND SEES THIS AS A STRENGTH, AS A BROADER SPECTRUM NECESSARY TO REFLECT THE FULLNESS OF WHAT YOUR OWN GOODNESS LOOKS LIKE. GRANT US THE JOY OF RECOVERING OUR COMMONALITY, HEARTS THAT SEE EVERY PERSON AROUND US AS A BROTHER OR SISTER IN THE GREAT HUMAN FAMILY. FINALLY, GOD, WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE NEED YOU. WE DID NOT CREATEOURSELVE EVERYTHING WE HAVE FROM OUR HANDS AND FEET TO THE AIR IN OUR LUNGS, AND EVERY BREATH WE TAKE IS A GIFT FROM YOU. WE WERE CREATED BY YOU AND FOR YOU. I PRAY FOR THIS CITY THAT YOU, LORD JESUS, WILL DRAW ALL PEOPLE TO YOURSELF AND GRANT THEM THE GRACE OF NEW LIFE IN YOU. WE ENTRUST THE DECISIONS AND DISCUSSIONS OF THIS EVENING TO YOU AND HUMBLY PRAY FOR YOUR GUIDANCE FOR THE GOOD OF ALL WHO LIVE IN AND VISIT OUR CITY OF PLANO. WE LOVE YOU, LORD JESUS CHRIST, AND IT IS IN YOUR NAME THAT W PRAY. AMEN. >> AMEN. >> PLEASE JOIN US IN SAYING THE PLEDGE. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. HONOR THE TE-- (TEXAS PLEDGE). >> THANK YOU PASTOR WHIRLY, AND TO TROOP 6589 FOR LEADING THE PLEDGE. >> TONIGHT WE GET TO RECO RECOGNIZE -- NOW CAN YOU HEAR ME? PERFECT. OKAY. TONIGHT WE GET TO RECOGNIZE OUR PLANO PUBLIC LIBRARY FOR RECEIVING THE 2021 ACHIEVEMENT OF LIBRARY EXCELLENCE AWARD FROM THE LIBRARY DIRECTORS ASSOCIATION. I HAVE LIBBY HOLTMAN, DIRECTOR OF PLANO PUBLIC LIBRARY, AND SEVERAL OF OUR LIBRARY TEAM. ONLY 59 OUT OF 565 PUBLIC LIBRARIES IN TEXAS ACHIEVED THIS AWARD IN 2021. TO RECEIVE THE AWARD LIBRARIES MUST EXHIBIT EXCELLENCE IN THE FOLLOWING TEN AREAS. REACHING UNDERSERVED AND SPECIAL TOP LAS VEGASS, ENHANCING SERVICE LEVELS, MARKETING PROGRAMS AND SERVICES AND INNOVATIVE WAYS, PROMOTING CULTURAL, TOPICAL, AND EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMMING, OFFERING A SUMMER READING PROGRAM, STRENGTHENING WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, ADDRESSING DIGITAL INCLUSION, AND COMPREHENSIVELY TRAINING STAFF. THIS AWARD REFLECTS THE COMMITMENT TO XLINS EXCELLENCE THAT PLANO PUBLIC LIBRARY DEMONSTRATES TO THE COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE WE SERVE EVERY DAY. CONGRATULATIONS. (APP (APPLAUSE). >> I JUST WANTED LIBBY TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE LIBRARY AND THE GREAT WORK THAT'S GOING ON THERE RIGHT NOW. >> FISHGS I JUST WANT TO SAY I WAS A FORMER SHEP YARD PATRIOT AND A WILSON RAM. WELL DONE, Y'ALL. WE'RE JUST PROUD TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY EACH AND EVERY DAY. WE HAVE FIVE COMMUNITY LIBRARIES ACROSS OUR CITY. THESE ARE SOME OF THE MANAGERS THAT WORK IN THOSE FACILITIES, AND WE HAVE SOME EXCITING PROJECTS COMING UP THIS YEAR. WE HAVE THE DAVIS BOND PROJECT THAT WAS VOTED ON IN 2017. WE HOPE BY D-MA IT WILL BE COMPLETELY AND THE FACILITY WILL OPEN AGAIN. WE HOPE YOU'LL ALL JOIN US THERE. WAIT FOR THE INVITATION. THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE HARRINGTON PUBLIC LIBRARY, WHICH IS ALSO IT'S STILL OPEN WITH LIMITED SERVICE, AND WE HOPE THAT WILL BE DONE AT THE END OF THIS YEAR, EARLY NEXT YEAR. MANY EXCITING PROJECTS ARE COMING ABOUT. WE HAE SUMMER LEARNING, AND ALL SORTS OF ACTIVITIES FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY. >> COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST. THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS TO ALLOW UP TO THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER WITH 30 TOTAL MINUTES ON ITEMS OF INTEREST OR CONCERN AND NOT ON ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE CURRENT AGENDA. THE COUNCIL MAY NOT DISCUSS THESE ITEMS, BUT THEY MAY RESPOND WITH FACTUAL OR POLICY INFORMATION. THE COUNCIL MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA. I DO HAVE A FEW SPEAKERS THIS EVENING. THE FIRST ONE IS JEFF BARLET. >> HELLO. MY NAME IS JEFF BARLET, AND I RESIDE OVER IN HALTAM CITY, TEXAS. I STIDED TO COME TOUT PLANO TO SPEAK BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE I KIND OF HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT LAST MEETING ABOUT SOME THINGS THAT WERE GOING ON. BEFORE I SAY ANYTHING, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I STRONGLY SUPPORT THE FIRST AMENDMENT. I'M NOT TRYING TO ATTACK THE FIRST AMENDMENT IN ANY WAY. I PERSONALLY GO TO MY COUNCIL MEETINGS ALL THE TIME AND SPEAK UP MY CONCERNS, AND I ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO DO SO. EVEN IF IT'S CONTROVERSIAL. AT TIMES -- I DO THAT ALL THE TIME. I SPEAK MY OPINION AT COUNCIL MEETINGS. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS TE TO ADDRESS SOME OF MY CONCERNS AND ALSO KIND OF EDUCATE PEOPLE ON WHAT THESE MEETINGS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT. SOME CONCERNS I HAVE IS SOME CITIZENS WERE USING COUNCIL MEETING TIME TO SUPPORT VIOLENCE, TO CALL OUT VIOLATION AGAINST A FOREIG LEADER, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE TO BE DOING AT THESE MIGTS E MEETINGS. I DON'T KNOWING WE SHOULD BE CALLING FOR VIOLENCE ANYWHERE. IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE DOING. WE SHOULD BE SUPPORTING PEACE. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE SUPPORTING WAR MONGERING PROPAGANDA IN THESE COUNCIL MEETINGS. ALSO DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO ENCOURAGE DRUG p ENCOURAGE RACISM IN OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS. I KIND OF FIND A LOT OF THESE COMMENTS FROM LAST MEETING A BIT DISTURBING. NOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THESE COUNCIL MEETINGS ARE FOR PEOPLE TO EXPRESS THEIR CONCERNS AND REQUESTS TO THESE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS. I MEAN, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE FOR CITY-RELATED BUSINESS. LET'S SAY THERE'S POTHOLES IN THE ROAD. MAYBE SOMEONE HAS A CONCERN. THEY BRING IT UP TO THE COUNCIL. THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL MEETINGS SHOULD BE FOR. USUALLY IT'S BEST IF YOU KEEP TH NONPARTISAN AND JUST FOCUS ON CITY THINGS, AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE CITY COUNCIL FOR LETTING ME SPEAK BEFORE YOU. THANK YOU, AND GOD BLESS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. (APPLAUSE). >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS LEA THOMAS. LEA THOMAS? ALEXANDRIA STEIN. >> NOT HERE. >> HELLO. HOW ARE YOU DOING, COUNCIL? MY NAME IS ALEXANDRIA STEIN, AND I'M HERE TODAY TO CALL OUT TRANSPHOBIA HERE IN PLANO. I'M CURRENTLY BEING RESTRICTED FROM SWIMMING IN THE CITY OF PLANO SWIM LEAGUE AGAINST THE WOMEN EVEN THOUGH IT'S CLEAR THAT I REASSIGNED MY GENDER LAST WEEK. LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, DO I LOOK LIKE A MAN? OBVIOUSLY, I'M NOT. THIS IS A WOMAN, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LET ME SWIM AND COMPETE AGAINST THE LADIES BECAUSE OF TRANSPHOBIA. WHAT I NEED YOU GUYS TO DO IS I NEED YOU TO WAKE UP. WE HAVE CHAMPIONS LIKE LEA THOMAS. SHE'S AN NCAA CHAMPION. THE BEST SWIMMER IN COLLEGE TODAY. I CAN'T GET A SCHOLARSHIP UNLESS I'M ABLE TO SEND A RECRUITING TAPE TO THESE COLLEGES. THEY SAY, OH, ADVANTAGE, ALEXANDRIA. DOES THIS LOOK LIKE AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE TO YOU ALL? DOES THIS LOOK LIKE AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE? THERE'SNOTHING UNFAIR ABOUT THIS. LOOK AT ME. I'M THE SAME AS A GIRL. YET, YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO LET TRANSPHOBIA RUN RAMPANT. PAIGE, YOU REALLY GOT TO STAND UP AND DO SOMETHING BECAUSE THAT IS GENDER BIAS, AND I DON'T LIKE GENDER BIAS. I'M ON HORMONE THERAPY. MY ESTROGEN LEVELS ARE SO HIGH THEY'RE THROUGH THE ROOF. YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO SIT HERE AND NOT TAKE ME SERIOUSLY AND LAUGH AT ME. I'M TRYING TO COMPETE. YES, I WAS BORN A BOY. SO WHAT? GUYS, THIS IS 2022. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU WERE BORN. WE HAVE CONTAGI BROWN JACKSON THAT SAYS SHE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT A WOMAN IS. I'M A WOMAN. THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO. IF THE SYSTEM JUSTICE IS ON MY SIDE, THEN WHY CAN'T I GET THE SAME FROM THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL. THAT'S THE PROBLE IOME HERE, AND I'M STILL A VICTIM OF TRANSPHOBIA. YET, WE HAVE CHAMPIONS, LIKE MY GIRL LEA, MY SISTER, AND SHE IS -- SHE GETS TO WIN, BUT I DON'T. WHY NOT? THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. WHY NOT? WHY CAN'T I SWIM AGAINST THE LADIES? WHY ARE WE HAVING A TRANSPHOBIC WORLD WHERE I JUST WANT TO COMPETE AGAINST THE LADIES? WHY ARE YOU SAYING THAT I'M NOT A BIOLOGICAL WOMAN? CLEARLY, I LOOK LIKE A BIOLOGICAL WOMAN. COME ON. IT'S BEEN HOURS TUCKING THIS THING IN. GIVE ME A BREAK. I SHOULD BE ABLE TO SWIM. AND I'M ON SO MUCH HORMONE THERAPY, I DON'T EVEN KNOW LEFT OR RIGHT YMORE. I'M DOING THIS. I DON'T HAVE AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE. NO WAY. I NEED YOU GUYS TO STAND UP. WE HAVE A CITY ISSUE, RICK, AND WE CAN ACTUALLY FIX THIS AND LET ME COMPETE AGAINST THE LADIES. I'M SICK OF THESE WOMEN, OH, YOU HAVE AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE. YEAH, RIGHT, AND I'M MENTALLY ILL, AND THEY WON'T EVEN LET ME COMPETE IN THE SPECIAL OLYMPICS. THINK ABOUT THAT. I CAN'T COMPETE IN THE SPECIAL OLYMPICS, AND I CAN'T COMPETE AGAINST WIM WOMEN. WHAT KIND OF BIGOTRY IS THAT? ARE YOU GOING TO LET THAT STAND? I WOULDN'T LET THAT STAND. IF I WERE Y'ALL I WOULD STAND UP FOR ME BECAUSE IN THE FUTURE THEY'RE GOING TO WRITE THESE IN THE HISTORY BOOKS, AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE ECIDE WHAT SIDE PLANO IS ON. WERE THEY TRANSPHOBES OR TRANS-POSITIVE. OBVIOUSLY, I'M TRANS-POSITIVE. THAT'S WHAT I WANT. I WANT YOU TO WAKE UP. TO WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE WORLD AND TELL THE CITY OF PLANO SWIM LEAGUE TO LET ME COMPETES AGAINST THE LADIES. I'VE BEEN ON HORMONE BLOCKERS FOR NEARLY TWO WEEKS NOW. LIKE I SAID, I'M SO MESSED UP FROM THEM, I PROBABLY WILL LOSE ANYWAY. BUT I CAN SEND THAT TAPE TO A COLLEGE. E.DON'T LOOK AT ME WITH YOUR EY. I'M OUT HERE TRYING TO CHANGE FOR YOU. I'M STANDING UP FOR WOMEN'S RIGHTS. >> IT'S PRIMETI STEIN ON INSTAGRAM IF YOU WANT TO LEARN HOW TO SWIM AGAINST THE LADIES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THE CITY OF PLANO AND THIS COUNCIL TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM OUR CITIZENS VERY SERIOUSLY. WE ALWAYS WELCOME FEEDBACK ON HOW WE CAN MAKE OUR COMMUNITY BETTER. WE TAKE SERIOUSLY OUR ROLE AS THE CITY GOVERNMENT AND THE IMPORTANCE OF RESPECTING OUR CITIZENS' TIME AND TAXPAYER RESOURCES. WE STRIVE TO CONDUCT OURSELVES WITH EXCELLENCE AND FOCUS OUR AGENDA ON CITY BUSINESS AND IN RETURN WE ASK THAT THOSE THAT COME BEFORE US PROVIDE THAT SAME LEVEL OF RESPECT. NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. >> JAMES LOCKRIDGE. >> HELLO, CITY COUNCIL. HOW ARE Y'ALL? I DIDN'T COME TO THE LAST CITY MEETING BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO GIVE THE CITY OF PLANO AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOME RESEARCH AND GET BACK TO ME. THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. NOW, GUYS, I'VE TOLD YOU ALL THE REASON WHY I'M HERE, AND I'M FIGHTING FOR AGRICULTURAL RIGHTS. NOW, THE CITY OF PLANO HAS NOT DONE ANYTHING YET. THEY COME WITH ME WITH THIS BOGUS THING. THEY'RE GOING TO DO THIS, THIS, D THIS. IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. THE CITY HAS GOT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE STATE LAWS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS OVERCEDE THE CITY. WHEN YOU LET YOUR CITY CODE COMPLIANCE OFFICERS GO ROGUE AND GO PREJUDICED AGAINST PEOPLE, IT'S GOT TO COME TO A SCREECHING HALT. WHENEVER THEY'RE MOWING CROPS THAT LITERALLY -- I HAVE A VIDEO. THEY MOWED A HAY CROP THAT WAS FIVE INCHES TALL. FIVE INCHES. I MEAN, THAT'S RIDICULOUS. SEND ME A BILL. NO JOKE. I HAVE IT RIGHT HERE. $704 TO MOW MY FIELD, MY CROP. I PAID A BILL OF $669 THAT THEY SENT ME A BILL ON. I DON'T HAVE A CHANCE TO DISPUTE IT. I DON'T HAVE A CHANCE TO FIGHT IT. I'VE ASKED JACK CARR TO DO SOMETHING. STOP THE HARASSMENT FROM YOUR CODE COMPLIANCE OFFICERS. YOU'RE BREAKING A STATE LAW. NOT ONLY DO I HAVE THAT, BUT RIGHT HERE I HAVE A LETTER FROM MANY OFEM, THAT SAYS THAT I , AM UNDER SIEGE. EVERY FARMER AND RANCHER IS UNDER SIEGE BY NUMEROUS CITIES IN THE METROPLEX BY YOUR BOGUS LAWS, YOUR BOGUS CODE COMPLIANCE LAWS. NOW, YOU ASK US TO MOW OUR RIGHT OF WAYS. WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO ANYTHING IN THEM. WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO ONE SINGLE THING ON THE EDGE OF THE CURB. WHY SHOULD WE MOW THE CITY'S RIGHT-OF-WAYS? MOW YOUR OWN. LOOK IT UP, GUYS. YOU COLLECT CITY TAXES TO MAINTAIN THE CITY'S EASEMTS AND RIGHT OF WAYS. TX DOT MAINTAINS THEIRS. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CITY MAINTAINING THEIRS? YOU'RE THE CITY ATTORNEY. HAVE YOU DONE ANYTHING TO LOOK UP THE AGRICULTURAL STATE LAWS BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T REACHED BACK OUT TO ME. NOT ONE TIME. JACK CARR ASKED ME TO GIVE HIM A LIST OF JUST MY AG PROPERTIES IN THE CITY OF PLANO AND NOT TO TALK TO ANYBODY ELSE BECAUSE THE DEAL THAT I'M GETTING DOESN'T GO FOR EVERYBODY. THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS, GUYS. WHAT'S GOOD FOR ONE IS GOOD FOR ALL. IF YOU ARE BREAKING STATE LAWS AND YOU HAVE TWO CODE COMPLIANCE OFFICERS GOING PREJUDICED ON PEOPLE, YOU NEED TO PUT A STOP TO IT. SCOTT LUSSIER AND CHRISTOPHER SMITH BOTH NEED TO BE FIRED IMMEDIATELY FOR HARASSMENT ON FARMERS AND RANCHERS. IT'S RIDICULOUS THAT YOU MOW MY HAY CROP WHEN IT'S FIVE INCHES TALL, AND I WILL SHOW ANYBODY THAT CALLS ME THE VIDEO. I WILL SHOW THEM THE FIELD RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO ME THAT HAS NOT BEEN MOWED, AND I HAVE A VIDEO OF IT EVERY SINGLE MONTH. IT HAS NOT BEEN MOWED. DON'T LIE TO ME. OKAY? VIDEOS DON'T LIE. PLEASE, SOMEONE FROM CITY COUNCIL OR MAYOR GET IN TOUCH WITH ME, AND LET'S RESOLVE THE PROBLEM. IT'S THAT SIMPLE. I WILL BE HERE EVERY TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, MR. LODGERIDGE. MA >> MARTY EPSTEIN. (APP (APPLAUSE). >> ONE SECOND PLEASE. GOSH DANG IT. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. I'M JUST GETTING EVERYTHING READY. OKAY. SORRY. JUST GOT OFF WORK AT STARBUCKS. YOU MIND IF I TAKE THIS OFF? AY. OH, MY GOSH. OKAY. ANYWAYS, I'M READY. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ME. MY NAME IS MARTY EPSTEIN. I'M AN EDITOR FOR BUZZ FEED. I ALSO WORK PART-TIME AT MY LOCAL STARBUCKS AS A BARISTA DUE TO THE FACT THAT THEY ARE PAYING FOR MY 14-YEAR-OLD OPENLY GAY TRANSGENDER OFF SPRING'S TRANSITION SURGERY, BUT I ALSO ENJOY THE FREE PUMPKIN SPICE LATTES. THEY ARE SUPER YUMMY. I'M ALSO A FORMER WRITER FOR THE "NEW YORK TIMES". I HAVE A COLLEGE EDUCATION FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF OREGON WHERE I MAJORED IN GENDER STUDIES. I AM OFFENDED THAT OUR CHILDREN ARE NOT RECEIVING AFFORDABLE GENDER REASSIGNMENT SURGERY ALONG WITH HORMONE BLOCKERS AND ACCESS TO ABORTIONS. THIS ALONE IS A THREAT TO OUR DEMOCRACY. AS JUSTIN TRUEDO ALWAYS SAYS. IT JUST SHOWS THAT YOU PEOPLE DO NOT CARE ^ ABOUT OUR CHILDREN AND THAT THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO REFUSE TO OBEY THE VACCINATED. GET FULLY - IT'S SCIENCE, PEOPLE! SCIENCE! SCIENCE! YOU ARE SELFISH MURDERERS. I COULD DIE. DON'T YOU PEOPLE CARE ABOUT MY LIFE? YOU RACIST, INSENSITIVE, HOMOPHOBIC PIGS. MY 14-YEAR-OLD OPENLY GAY SI LING'S TRANSGENDER OFFSPRING HAS TWO DADDIES THAT LOVE THEIR OFFSPRING SO MUCH AND CPS IS WORKING OVERTIME TO TAKE THEIR ILD AWAY. HOWEVER, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT MY SIBLING'S OFFSPRING ISN'T ALLOWED TO PLAY IN THE 8-YEAR-OLD GIRLS BASKETBALL LEAGUE AT THE YMCA. THIS ALONE IS SHOWCASING THE WORST FORM OF TRANSPHOBIA AND IS A THREAT TO OUR DEMOCRACY. MY SIBLING'S TRANSGENDER OFFSPRING FEELS LIKE AN 8-YEAR-OLD GIRL. THEREFORE, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO PLAY IN THE 8-YEAR-OLD GIRL'S LEAGUE. IMAGINE LIVING IN A WORLD WHERE A LITTLE TRANSGENDER KID ISN'T ALLOWED TO FOLLOW THEIR DREAMS BECAUSE OF TRANSPHOBIC CHILD SUPPORTERS AND SCIENCE DENIERS AND CONSPIRACY THEORISTS. I STILL HAVE NIGHTMARES EVERY SINGLE NIGHT BECAUSE OF THE HATEFUL THINGS THAT DONALD TRUMP SAID ON TWITTER. I PRAISE JOE BIDEN FOR HAVING THE COURAGE AND DECENCY TO STAND UP AND SEE THAT POOR KIDS ARE JUST AS BRIGHT AS WHITE KIDS IN THIS PREVIOUS ELECTION. DECENCY WAS ON THE BALLOT, AND THAT'S WHAT I VOTED FOR. NOT THIS RACIST DICTATOR DONALD TRUMP. THE ORANGE MAN. ANSPHOBIA IS A SPECTRUM, AND IT CAN GO -- HOLD ON. >> YOUR TIME IS UP. >> TRANSPHOBIA IS A SPECTRUM. A SPECTRUM. >> YOUR TIME IS UP. THERE ARE MANY SHADES OF IT. WE HAVE THE EXTREME -- >> YOUR TIME IS UP. >> I'M ALMOST DONE. >> YOUR TIME IS UP. THANK YOU. I'LL JUST REITERATE THAT WE STRIVE TO CONDUCT OURSELVES WITH EXCELLENCE AND FOCUS OUR AGENDA ON CITY BUSINESS, AND IN RETURN BEFORE US PROVIDE THE SAME LEVEL OF RESPECT. THANK YOU. >> I WASN'T DONE. >> NEXT SPEAKER. >> THAT WAS THE LAST ONE. >> THANK YOU. WE ARE NOW GOING TO MOVE BACK TO THE PRELIMINARY AGENDA AND WE'RE GOING TO FINISH OUR DISCUSSION ON THE HOMELESS YUMT. WE HAD A FEW COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT HAD A FEW QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, SO WE'RE GOING TO START WITH COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS AND SHANETTE EDEN. YOU'RE UP, COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS. >> THANK YOU, SHANETTE, AND THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS BASED ON OUR DISCUSSION ABOUT HOMELESS UPDATE. THE FIRST WAS ONE OF THE PERMISSIBLE THINGS FOR THE ART FUNDING WAS SUPPORT SERVICES, SUCH AS PREVENTIVE -- HOMELESSNESS PREVENTION AS WELL AS HOUSING COUNSELING, AND I DIDN'T SEE THAT AMONGST THE TOPICS DISCUSSED AT THE MEETING. IS THERE A REASON WHY? >> THE REASON THAT HOMELESSNESS PREVENTION -- WE ALREADY HAVE A HOMELESSNESS PREVENTION PROGRAM, SO WITH THE FUNDS, THE HOMELESS SHELTER PROVIDERS HAVE BEEN COMING AT COLIN COUNTY HOMELESS COALITION AS WELL AS TO CITY STAFF WITH REGARDS TO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO TO HOUSE HOMELESS? OUR RAPID REHOUSING PROGRAM RUNS OUT AND ENDS UP HAVING A WAIT LIST. THEY WERE LOOKING FOR OPTIONS. THAT OPTION OF HOMELESSNESS PREVENTION WAS NOT DISCUSSED WITH THEN, BUT IT DEFINITELY WILL BE LOOKED INTO LIKE ANY OTHR AVAILABLE OPTION WHEN WE CAN GET A CONSULTANT TO GO THROUGH IT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE USED TO DOING HERE IN PLANO. WE'VE HAD A HOMELESSNESS PREVENTION PROGRAM, AND THAT DOES HELP PEOPLE STAY IN THEIR HOME. SXWLOO OKAY. THE PREVENTION IS SOMETHING I WOULD SUPPORT. A SECOND QUESTION WAS IN THE COMMUNITY CIRCLE WHEN I HAD LOOKED AT THIS, THAT LOOKED APPEALING TO ME, AND IT SAID IT WOULDN'T REQUIRE ART FUNDS, BUT LATER ON IT SAID IT WASN'T A GOOD OPTION, AND IF I REFERRED TO THE BULLETED POINT CORRECTLY, IT WAS BECAUSE OF A LACK OF FUNDING. FIRST DID I INFER THAT CORRECTLY? WAS IT NOT A GOOD ONKS BECAUSE OF LACK OF FUNDING? >> YES, BECAUSE THE AGENCY SAID THAT WE CAN'T PULL RESOURCES THAT ARE ALREADY STRETCHED FROM AN EXISTING PROGRAM TO COME AND, IN ESSENCE, HAVE ANOTHER PROGRAM TO ASSIST PEOPLE. THEY DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO IT. BOTH FUNDING-WISE AS WELL AS STAFF. >> OKAY. THEN FOLLOW-UP QUESTION WORTH 50 POINTS. IF IT DOESN'T REQUIRE ARP FUNDING BUT IT'S NOT A GOOD OPTION BECAUSE IT WOULD PULL RESOURCES AWAY, COULD WE USE ARP FUNDING TOWARDS IT TO ALLEVIATE THOSE CONCERNS ABOUT PULLING SOURCES AY? WHEN I LOOKED AT THE DESCRIPTION OF THE COMMUNITY CIRCLE, IT LOOKED GOOD TO ME. IT LOOKED LIKE SOMETHING WE WOULD WANT TO PURSUE. >> GETTING BACK TO -- SO WE COULD FUND SUPPORT SERVICES, INCLUDING HOUSING COUNSELING AND HOMELESSNESS PREVENTION. YOU CAN'T OUTRIGHT JUST PAY FOR CASE MANAGEMENT WITH HOME ARP FUNDS. HOME FUNDS IN GENERAL THAT THE CITY USES HAVE TO BE TOWARDS SOMETHING THAT AFFECTS SOMEBODY GETTING A HOME OR STAYING IN A HOME, AND SO THE WAY THAT THE REGULATIONS ARE WRITTEN, CASE MANAGEMENT WITHOUT THAT HOME PART IS NOT AN ALLOWABLE HOME EXPENSE. SO THE ARP COMES FROM THE AMERICAN RECOVERY PLAN ACT PART, BUT IT'S STILL A HOME FUNDED ACTIVITY WHICH MEANS IT HAS TO PRODUCE SOME TYPE OF HOUSING ACTIVITY IN THE END. >> THEN DO I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY THAT NOT ONLY DOES IT NOT -- THE COMMUNICATE U COMMUNITY CIRCLE NOT REQUIRE ARP FUNDS, BUT ARP FUNDS CAN'T ACTUALLY BE USED FOR IT. >> CORRECT. >> OKAY. UNDERSTANDG THAT IT HAS TO HAVE SOME HOME COMPONENT TO IT TO BE AVAILABLE FOR ARP FUNDS, DID YOU -- OR IS IT POSSIBLE TO COMBINE THE COMMUNITY CIRCLE WITH ONE OF THE OTHER OPTIONS IN ORDER TO MAKE IT ELIGIBLE BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE A REALLY GOOD SUPPORT OPTION. >> SO THE WAY WE'LL LOOK AT IT NOW IS I'M GLAD THAT YOU ALL ARE GOING TO ALLOW US TO APPLY FOR THE FUNDS BECAUSE ALL THOSE OPTIONS ARE THINGS THAT A CONSULTANT CAN GO AHEAD AND TAKE A LOOK AT. MORE SO AND WITH MORE EXPERIENCE THAN I JUST HAVE JUST TALKING TO THE AGENCIES AS WELL, AND LOOK AT THE DATA TO SUPPORT IT. >> THANK YOU. MY FINAL QUESTION WAS, FOR THE OPTION TO CONVERT TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS, THE FIRST TWO BULLETS ARE CREATES HOUSING FOR HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES, AND, SECOND, ALLOWS FOR THE CREATION OF RENTAL HISTORY. I WOULD INFER THAT. I DID INFER THAT IT WOULD JUST PROVIDE FREE HOUSING FOR HOMELESS, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT RENTAL HISTORY MEANS THERE IF IT IS INDEED FREE. DOES IT JUST MEAN AN ESTABLISHED RESIDENTS FOR A PERIOD OF ME, OR DOES IT ACTUALLY PROVIDE A RENTAL HISTORY? IF SO, WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY LIVE IN THE SUBSIDIZED UNITS? >> SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A RAPID REHOUSING PROGRAM, AND THE WAY THAT PROGRAM WORKS IS WE HAVE HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS THAT WORK WITH AN AGENCY TO PROVIDE CASE MANAGEMENT AND ALL THOSE OTHER SOCIAL SERVICES THAT ARE NEEDED. WHEN THEY FIND THE ACTUAL APARTMENT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO RENT, THE LEASE IS IN THEIR NAME. WITH THE LEASE BEING IN THEIR NAME, IT ALLOWS THEM TO BUILD BACK RENTAL HISTORY EITHER THAT THEY ONCE HAD BUT HAS BEEN LOST FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, OR THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE THAT, THEY'VE NEVER HAD. IT HELPS THEM WHEN THEY TRANSITION OUT OF OUR RAPID REHOUSING PROGRAM INTO THEIR OWN PROGRAM, THEIR OWN -- NOT PROGRAM, BUT THEIR OWN APARTMENT WHERE NO ONE IS THERE TO HELP THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE SELF-SUFFICIENT NOW. >> COUNCILMEMBER BRADY AND I HAD A CHANCE TO GO TO THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITY CONFERENCE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, AND HOMELESSNESS AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING WAS A VERY HOT TOPIC FOR JUST ABOUT EVERY CITY THERE. I WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO HE ITERATE SOME OF THE THINGS YOU SAID AND SOME NOTES SO COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN HEAR SOME OF WHAT WE HEARD. THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE $10 BILLION THAT WENT TO HUD, HALF OF WHICH IS FOR VOUCHERS, AND THE OTHER HALF FOR HOUSE AMERICA INITIATIVES. LIKE YOU SAID, LET'S GET PEOPLE IN HOMES FIRST. THAT'S THE FIRST -- I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING THAT THERE'S A LOT OF BARRIERS, LIKE YOU WERE SAYING, TO GETTING OFF YOUR FEET. IF YOU DON'T HAVE A HOME, A ROOV OVER YOUR HEAD, YOU DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO STORE YOUR BELONGINGS. THAT'S GOING TO KEEP YOU FROM WANTING TO GO FIND A JOB BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE -- THESE ARE THE ONLY THINGS YOU HAVE, SO GIVING SOMEONE A ROOF OVER THEIR HEAD AND A PLACE TO KEEP THEIR THINGS SAFE OR MAYBE KEEP A PET WILL HELP THEM TO -- IT MAY BE JUST NEEDING THAT STABILITY FOR A MONTH OR TWO THAT WILL ALLOW THEM TO BE IN A PLACE SAFE WHERE THEY MIGHT SAY I WANT TO GET CLEAN NOW OR I'M OPEN T RECEIVG SOME OF THESE WRAP-AROUND SERVICES SO THAT THEY EMPHASIZE THAT THAT A LOT OF TIMES WE SAY, WELL, LET'S GET THEM CLEAN AND DO ALL THESE THINGS FIRST, AND REALLY GETTING THEM HOUSING FIRST IS REALLY IMPORTANT. THEY WERE ENCOURAGING ALL THE CITIES TO APPLY FOR THIS GRANT MONEY, SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND MAKING SURE THAT WE MAKE THAT A PRIORITY, BUT THEY SAID WE SHOULD STRATEGICALLY USE FUNDS AND USE THE MAXIMUM POSSIBLE. MONEY CAN ALSO BE USED FOR THOSE THAT AREN'T HOMELESS BUT ARE IN DANGER OF BECOMING HOMESS. PRIORITIZE WHO GETS HELP FIRST AND DELIBERATELY TO HELP THOSE WHO DISPROPORTIONATELY ARE HIT WITH HOMELESSNESS. FORMALIZING RELATIONSHIPS WITH HEALTH CARE PARTNERS AND HOUSING PARTNERS. LIKE SHELBY WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT. THEY SAID WE HAVE 7 MILLION UNITS. 7 MILLION UNITS SHORT ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE UNITED STATES RIGHT NOW, WHICH WAS KIND OF EYE-OPENING. ANOTHER THING I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING WAS WE HAVE VOUCHERS, BUT WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE FINDING LANDLORDS THAT LL ACCEPT THOSE VOUCH ERDZ. THEY'RE PUSHING LANDLORD ENGAGEMENT IN WAYS THAT MAYBE WE CAN FIND MORE LANDLORDS THAT WILL PARTICIPATE. THEY ALSO SAID YOU CAN ASK HUD FOR APPROVAL TO PAY 120% OF FAIR MARKET TO OFFER MORE HOUSING OPTIONS, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING. LET'S SEE. THE OTHER THING THEY SAID IS A LOT OF THOSE SHELTERS, THE REASON -- THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, WHAT DO YOU DO WITH PEOPLE WHO DON'T SEEK HELP, THAT FOR WHATEVER REASON, AND THEY SAID, WELL, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT ARE THE REASONS THEY DON'T SEEK HELP OR DON'T SEEK SHELTER? I FOUND OUT A LOT OF TIMES IT'S JUST ALL THE RULES. YOU CAN ONLY BRING TWO BAGS WITH YOU OR YOU CAN'T BRING YOUR PET WITH YOU OR YOU HAVE TO BE IN BY THIS TIME AND OUT BY THIS TIME. MAYBE RE-EVALUATING AS WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME SOLUTIONS WHAT REALLY ARE THE RULES THAT WE NEED AND THAT WE DON'T NEED. THEN THE LAST POINT I THOUGHT WAS REALLY INTERESTING WAS LOOKING AT OUR CRIMINAL AND COURT SYSTEMS. ARE WE ACTUALLY DOING OUTTAKES AND INTERVIEWING WITH OUR INMATES WHEN THEY'RE RELEASED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE A PLACE TO GO AND WE'RE FINDING A LOT OF TIMES THAT'S WHERE OUR HOMELESS POPULATION IS COMING FROM. I JUST WANTE TE TIME TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL SOME OF THE NOTES THAT I TOOK DURING THE SESSION. IT WAS VERY INTERESTING. >> THE PAMPHLET YOU HAVE IS GREAT. I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT. ONE THING I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU, AND I'LL INCLUDE THAT IS WE USED TO HAVE THESE LITTLE PACKETS THAT YOU HAD THAT HAVE HOMELESS RESOURCES AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT I USED TO E COULD YOU GET MORE -- THAT WAS THE EASY PART. THANKS. COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS AND HOLMER TOUCHED ON A LOT OF WHAT I WANT THE TO TOUCH ON, BUT I GUESS I WANT TO EMPHASIZE AND MAYBE SEE IF THERE'S A WAY TO WORK THIS IN TO THIS NEW FUNDING PROGRAM. HOMELESS PREVENTION IS SOMETHING I THINK WE NEED TO PUT MORE RESOURCES INTO. THERE'S NOTHING THAT HURTS YOU WORSE THAN GETTING BOOTED OUT OF A PLACE FOR NON-RENT PAYMENT. I THINK IF WE CAN SOMEHOW MASSAGE THE FUNDING THROUGH THIS GRANT AND THIS MAY BE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MARIA HAD ASKED ABOUT STRINGS ATTACHED, THE STRING ATTACHED MAY BE THAT WE CAN'T REALLY USE THESE FUNDS FOR SOMETHING THAT WOULD BETTER BENEFIT OUR COMMUNITY. SOMETHIN THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THINKS WOULD BENEFIT OUR COMMUNITY. I THINK WE, YOU, OUR GROUP, KNOWS MUCH MORE ABOUT WHAT WOULD BENEFIT OUR COMMUNITY THAN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT KNOWS. I THINK THAT'S WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THE RESOURCES PUT. IF THERE'S ANY WAY WE CAN MANIPULATE THAT TO USE THAT TO KEEP PEOPLE IN THEIR HOMES SO THEY HAVE THEIR PETS, THEIR BELONGINGS, AND I THINK JUST BECAUSE YOU KNOW I HAVE DEALT WITH SOME PEOPLE IN THIS SITUATION, AND IT GIVES THEM A SENSE OF PRIDE AND DIGNITY THAT THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO BE CONCENTRATING ON. ON I WANT TO PUT A PLUG INTO THE COLIN COUNTY COURTHOUSE. IN THE CRIMINAL WORLD WE HAVE -- OR CRIMINAL WORLD. IN THE CRIMINAL DEFENSE -- YES, THE UNDERGROUND -- COL COLIN CO HAS BEEN VERY PROGRESSIVE IN PUTTING TOLLING E TOGETHER THE MENTAL HEALTH PROGRAM IN THE COURTHOUSE IN DEALING WITH THOSE PEOPLE WHO SUFFERROM MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES. AS YOU KNOW, MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS ARE ONE OF THE PREVAILING REASONS WHY MANY PEOPLE ARE HOMELESS AND NOT SEEKING FOR SHELTER AND NOT SEEKING FOR ASSISTANCE. I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE THAT I WANT TO ADDRESS THE NEXT TIME WHEN YOU COME AROUND TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THOSE FUNDS CAN BE SOMEHOW IN OUR WRAP-AROUND SERVICES TO DEAL WITH THE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES BECAUSE I THINK THAT'SOINGO BEHE MAIN PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE WITH HOMELESS PEOPLE BECAUS IF PEOPLE WANT A HOUSE AND GO IN AND LIVE WITH THE PROBLEM SOLVED. WHAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ARE THOSE PEOPLE THAT DON'T KNOW THAT THEY NEED HELP AND DON'T WANT TO BE HELPED AND THEY'RE OUT ON OUR STREETS BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW BETTER. THEY'RE NOT ON PRESCRIPTION. THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT I WANT TO FIND OUT WHETHER OR NOT THE HUD ASSISTANCE.ROVIDE SOME WHHER NOTHERES ANY STRINGS ATTACHED TO THAT. WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S ANY RESTRICTIONS. WHAT TYPE OF PROGRAMS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK WITH. FOR EXAMPLE, DO WE -- CAN WE WORK WITH LIFE PATH, THE ONES THAT'S IN OUR COMMUNITY. DO WE HAVE TO USE A SPECIFIC PROGRAM THAT'S AUTHORIZED. THESE ARE THE TYPES OF ISSUES I'M INTERESTED IN. >> I THINK WE'RE DONE NOW. I THINK WE GOT EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS IN. WE'LL MOVE ON TO CONSENT AND REGULAR AGENDAS. ANY COUNCILMEMBER THAT WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE AN ITEM FROM THE AGENDA? ALL RIGHT. ANY ITEMS FOR FUTURE DISCUSSION, FUTURE AGENDAS? >> YES, MAYOR PRO TETEM. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THAT WE DO A REVIEW AND EVALUATION OF THE UNDERLYING RATIONAL AND POLICY WITH REGARD TO PUBLIC COMMENTS IN OUR CITYCOUNCIL'S REGULAR MEETING. I WANT TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THE POLICY IS VIABLE TO OUR MEETINGS AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT POLICY AND THE PURPOSE OF THAT POLICY IS CURRENTLY BEING SERVED. THAT'S IT. ANY OTHER ITEMS TO ADD? WE WILL NOW MOVE BACK TO THE REGULAR AGENDA AND GO TO CONSENT AGENDA. >> THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION AND CONTAINS ITEMS WHICH ARE ROUTINE AND TYPICALLY NONCONTROVERSIAL. ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION BY A COUNCILMEMBER. THE CITY MANAGER OR ANY CITIZEN. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS. MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTD. >> SECOND.>MOTION TO APPROVE TH AGENDA AS PRESENTED. >> S>MOTION TO APPROVTHE CONSEN AGENDA AS PRESENTED. >> S MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONST AGENDA AS PRESENTED. >> SECOND. >> ARE YOU READY FOR US TO VOTE? >> I'M NOT SEEING ANYTHING ON THERE. SHOU >> SHOULD WE JUST VOTE ANYWAY? OKAY. MAYOR, HOW DO YOU VOTE? >> YES. >> WE CAN'T SEE ANYTHING, SO -- ARE YOU OKAY>>MAYOR, HOW DO YOU? >> YES. >> WE CAN'T SEE ANYTHING, SO -- ARE Y MAYOR, HOW DO YOU VOTE? >> YES. ARE YO MAYOR, HOW DO YOU VOTE? >> YES. >> WE CAN'T SEE ANYTHING, SO -- ARE YMAYOR, HOW DO YOU VOTE? >> YES. >> WE CAN'T SEE ANYTHING, SO -- ARE YOU OKAY. >> THE VOTE WAS 8-0. I GUESS YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO TELL ME TONIGHT. I JUST CAN'T SEE IT, SO YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO LET ME KNOW. OKAY. >> PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. APPLICANTS ARE LIMITED TO 15 MINUTES PRESENTATION TIME WITH A FIVE-MINUTE REBUTTAL IF NEEDED. REMAINING SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED Y TIME WITH THREE MINUTES ASSIGNED PER SPEAKER. THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY AMEND THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY. NONPUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL PERMIT PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS O THE AGENDA NOT POSTED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS, LENGTH OF THE AGENDA, AND TO INSURE MEETING EFFICIENCY AND MAY INCLUDE A CUMULATIVE TIME LIMIT. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER THE REQUESTS ARE RECEIVED UNTIL THE CUMULATIVE TIME IS EXHAUSTED. ITEM NUMBER ONE, PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AS REQUESTED IN ZONING CASE 2021-30. TO AM THE ZONING ORDINANCE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2015-5-2. GRANTING SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 58 FOR TRADE SCHOOL ON .1 ACRE LOCATED 224 EAST OF COYT ROAD AND NORTH OF PARKER ROAD. PRESENTLY ZONED RETAIL. PROVIDING A PENALTY CLAUSE, A REPEALER CLAUSE, A SAVINGS CLAUSE, A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, A PUBLICATION CLAUSE, ANDN EFFECTI. >> THIS IS A ZONING CASE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING. THE FIRST SLIDE WE HAVE FOR YOUR REVIEW IS THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY. IT IS AT THE CORNER OF PARKER ROAD AND COYT. YOU CAN SEE IT'S ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER. IT'S APPROXIMATELY A 2,500 SQUARE FOOT PLEASE E LEASE SPACE, AND YOU CAN SEE THE NOTICE BOUNDARIES ON THE EXHIBIT. THE AERIAL SHOWS, AGAIN, A CLOSER AERIAL VIEW OF THIS REQUEST. IT IS WITHIN AN EXISTING RETAIL BUILDING. THERE ARE COMMERCIAL USES SURROUNDING IN EACH DIRECTION. IN REGARDS TO THE CONFORMANCE OF THE PLAN, THIS LOCATION IS CONSIDERED NEIGHBORHOOD CORNERS. IT'S IN THE 2021 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UNDER WHICH THIS HAS BEEN REVIEWED, AND THE LOCATION IS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN. THIS DOES SHOW CONFORMANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THAT THIS AREA IS ALREADY DESIGNATED AS AN EMPLOYMENT TYPE AND A RETAIL, MORE SPECIFICALLY, TYPE FOR EMPLOYMENT USE. IT IS A SMALL, AGAIN. .1 ACRE ON A LARGER 1.5 ACRE OF LAND THAT'S CLASSIFIED AS RETAIL. THIS MAKES EFFECTIVELY NO CHANGE BY GNTIN THISSUP TO THE LAND USE MIX IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BECAUSE IT STAYS CONSISTENT RETAIL TO RETAIL. THERE'S NO CHANGE IN THE LAND USE MIX. SOME OTHER CONSIDERATIONS. THE PARKING REQUIRED FOR THIS USE IS LESS THAN OTHER SIMILAR USES THAT MIGHT BE EXPECTED. THE PROPERTY DOES HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING, AND IT WOULD BE A COMPLIMENT TO THE EXISTING SHOPPING CENTER, WHICH INCLUDES A VARIETY OF NON-RESIDENTIAL USES. WE RECEIVED NO FEEDCK O THIS ITEM FROM THE PEOPLE WITHIN 200 FEET. THE PROPERTY OWNERS OR FROM THE PROPERTY ITSELF. THEN WE DID RECEIVE ONE RESPONSE ON THE ZONING CASE, AND CAN YOU SEE THE LOCATION ON THE SCREEN THAT WAS FOR SUPPORT, AND WITH THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID ALSO VOTE 7-0 FOR APPROVAL. THE APPLICANT DOES NOT HAVE SLIDES, AND WE JUST RECENTLY RECEIVED AN EMAIL THAT THEY HAVE A HEALTH ISSUE WITHHEIR FILY AND ARE UNABLE TO BE HERE THIS EVENING. I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STEPH? THANK YOU. ANY SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM? >> THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. >> OH. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ARE THERE ANY SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM? >> NO SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. >> I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL. >> MOTION TO APPROVEHE ITEM. >> SECOND. >> COUNCIL PLEASE VOTE. >> MAYOR, HOW DO YOU VOTE? >> YES. >> THAT MOTION PASSES 8-0. ITEM NUMBER TWO. >> ITEM NUMBER TWO, FISCAL YEAR 2021-22 STATUS REPORT AND THREE-YEAR FINANCIAL SUMMARY. >> GOOD EVENING. KAREN RHODES, BUDGET DIRECTOR. TONIGHT IS THE NIGHT THAT WE KICK OFF OUR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET PROCESS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2022-23. WE BEGIN SO TONIGHT. WE HAVE INCLUDED THIS DOCUMENT IN YOUR PACKET. IT'S OUR FINANCIAL FORECAST FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS. WE'RE PRESENTING THIS. IT'S CALLED A LOOK AHEAD INTO THE FUTURE. IT'S TO IDENTIFY OUR OPPORTUNITIES AND CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE GOING TO EXPERIENCE THE NEXT TEE YEARS. THE FORECAST IS A STARTING POINT FOR THE '22-'23 BUDGET PROCESS. EVERY ANNUAL BUDGET ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL IS REQUIRED TO BE BALANCED. ANY DEFICIT THAT IS YOU SEE WITHIN THE DOCUMENT SHOULD BE ELIMINATED DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS. WE FOLLOW ALL THE FINANCIAL POLICIES THAT WE HAVE HERE AT THE CITY. ONCE AGAIN, THIS HAS BEEN OUR GOALS FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS. IT'S A BUDGET FOR SUSTAINING PLANO'S EXCELLENCE. WE LOOK AT OUR QUALITY INFRASTRUCTURE. WANT TO KEEP UP WITH ALL OF OUR SERVICE DEMANDS. WE ALSO FOLLOW ALL OUR FINANCIAL POLICIES AND WANT TO MAINTAIN OUR TRIPLE-A BOND RATING. WE ALSO WANT TO KEEP OUR PROPERTY TAXES LOW FOR OUR CITIZENS, AND THEN WE ALSO WANT TO LOOK AFTER OUR STAFF OR PERSONNEL THAT ARE CARRYING OUT THE DEMANDS OF THE CITIZENS. CHLENGES AMONGST US GOING S FORWARD. US, LIKE MANY OTHER CITIES AND MANY OTHER -- EVERYBODY, RIGHT NOW IS EXPERIENCING SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES. WE DEFINITELY ARE HAVING THEM IN THE VEHICLE DEPARTMENT. WE ARE ON SCHEDULE TO REPLACE VEHICLES. WE HAVE A TOTAL TIMELINE. IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES MIKE ELLIS AND I ARE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING WITH Y'ALL FOR FIRE TRUCKS AND SOLID WASTE TRUCKS, IT'S TAKING ANYWHERE BETWEEN 28, 36 MONTHS IN ORDER TO GET A VEHICLE IN. WE DEFINITELY ARE ON TIME PERIMETERS IN ORDER TO GET THE VEHICLES IN, AND WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THOSE HERE IN A MINUTE. ALSO, COST ESCALATIONS ARE 30% TO 50% ON LUMBER, CONCRETE, AND OTHER THINGS THAT GO ON TO CONSTRUCTION. INCLUDED WITHIN OUR DOCUMENT, WE ARE HAVING INFLATION AT 4% INCLUDED ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE AND PLAN IN ORDER TO KEEP ASIDE FOR BIG PROJECTS THAT RUN OUT OF MONEY. I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THAT IN A MINUTE. IN THE DOCUMENT THE GENERAL FUND IS SET AT 30 DAYS OF WORKING CAPITAL FOR THIOMING UP YEAR. YOU WILL SEE IN THE FOLLOWING TWO YEARS WE DO HAVE A DISCREPANCY. WE HAVE OUR REVENUES ARE NOT NEEDING OUR SPENT TOURS. THIS IS JUST FOR THE WORK THAT'S GOING TO BE -- NEED TO BE DONE OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS. WE'LL GET TO THAT HERE IN A MINUTE. ALSO, WE HAVE INCLUDED IN HERE 15.7 MILLION IN ARPA FUNDING THAT WE RECEIVED. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE RECEIVING A SECOND TRAUNCH OF MONEY IN JUNE. IT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS DOCUMENT BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT RECEIV IT YET. THIS ALSO INCLUDES A SALARY INCREASE IN -- FOR OUR STAFF OF 3%. IT'S ONLY INCLUDED IN '22-'23. NOT IN THE TWO OTHER YEARS. ALSO, OUR HEALTH INSURANC FUND HAS TAKEN A HIT DUE TO COVID. OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS WE'VE LOST $10 MILLION IN THAT FUND BALANCE. THESE ARE SOME OF THE ISSUES WE'LL BE DISCUSSING WITH COUNCIL AS WE PREPARE THE BUDGET IN THE UPCOMING MONTHS. IT MAINTAINS THE TAX RATE OF 44.65 CENTS, WHICH IS WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. WE START IN THE LAST BUDGET. THE BOND OVERWHELMINGLY PASSED. IN ORDER NOT TO AFFECT THE TAX RATE WHAT WE STARTED DOING THIS CURRENT YEAR IS .25 CENTS IS GOING TO BE TRANSFERRED FROM THE GENERAL FUND OVER TO THE DEBT FUND IN ORDER TO PAY FOR THE COMING UP DEBT THAT WE HAVE IN ORDER TO IMPLEMENT THOSE PROJECTS. WE'LL GET TO THAT HERE IN A MEETING. THE GENERAL FUND IS GIVING $5.8 MILLION YOUR. WE'VE HAD INCREASED THAT TO $7 MILLION. THAT'S PRIMARILY DUE TO THE WORKERS' COMP PAYMENTS WE'RE HAVING TO PAY. ALSO, INSURANCE COSTS, AS MANY OF US PERSONALLY ARE EXPERIENCING ARE ALSO GOING UP. THIS IS A LOOK AT THE GENERAL FUND, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE. WE'RE AT 30 DAYS FOR '22-'23. HOPEFULLY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 65 DAYS OF OPERATIONS THAT FUND BALANCE GOES INTO '22-'23 AND HELPS OFF SET TO KEEP THAT AT 30 DAYS. GOING OUT TO '23-'24 AND '24-'25. THAT'S THE WORK THAT'S GOING TO NEED TO BE DONE WHEN WE GET PAST THIS BUDGET. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT INCLUDE WITHIN THE FORECAST. WE HAVE TWO SETS. WE HAVE POPULATION ASSUMPTIS, D WE GET THOSE FROM OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT. ALSO WE GET OUR NEW NUMBERS IN APRIL. WE HAVE THE POPULATION CURRENTLY AT 289,600 GOING UP .9%, 1.2%, AND THEB .7% TO A POPULATION OF 297 -- ON THE INFLATION SIDE AS I MENTIONED A MINUTE AGO, INCLUDED WITHIN OUR FORECAST FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS WE INCLUDED 4% FOR THE DIFFERENT FUNDS AFAR AS THE EXPENDITURES GO. NOW, WHAT WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE DOING IS ADDING IN AN ADDITIONAL $1 MILLION WITHIN OUR NONDEPARTMENTAL BUDGET TO HELP OFFSET ANY INFLATIONARY EXPENDITURES THAT OUR DEPARTMENTS ARE GOING TO HAVE OVER THIS NEXT YEAR. WE ARE NOT -- WE ARE TAKING OFF THE BUDGET PROCESS WITH THE DEPARTMENTS ON WEDNESDAY, AND WE HAVE NOT INCLUDED ANY INFLATION IN THEIR TARGETS. WE RUN BY A TARGET-BASED BUDGET. WE'RE GOINGO KEEP IN EXTRA FUNDING TO DECIDE FOR WHEN THESE BIG PROJECTS GO OVER. I TALKED ABOUT THE 2021 BOND PROGRAM. WE ARE ISSUING $79.2 MILLION IN GEO DEBT IN MAY. COMING UP OUR FUTURE ISSUANCE, 80.7 IN 2023, 90 IN '24, AND THEN 80 IN 2025. THE WHOLE FORECAST INCLUDES THE ISSUING OF THOSE BOND CELLS. WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER BOND REFERENDUM IN 2025. WE HAVE INTEREST RATES AT 4% CURRENTLY. I ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE ARE TAKING .25 CENTS OF THE GENERAL FUND RATE AND TRANSFERRING IT OVER TO THE DEBT, AND YOU'LL SEE THE DEBT RATE INCREASES WE'RE CURRENTLY AT 11.35 ON THE DEBT SIDE. IT GOES UP TO 10.12 CENTS IN '24-'25. OKAY. LET'S TALK ABOUT ASSESSED PROPERTY VALUES. THESE NUMBERS HERE WERE GIVEN TO US BY THE COLLIN CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT WHEN WE FIRST TALKED TO THEM. IT WAS THE FIRST WEEK IN MARCH. RIGHT THEN THEY HAD AN INCREASE ON THE EXISTING PROPERTY SIDE OF 3.5% THE FOLLOWING YEAR 3%, AND THEN 2%. WE HAVE NEW GROWTH THAT'S COMING ONLINE. 625 MILLION DOLLARS. THEY HAVE A REPORT SHOWING US WHAT'S GOING TO BE COMING ONLINE. WE ARE ESTIMATING 500 MILLION FOR THE FOLLOWING TWO YEARS. WE ARE GOING FROM 47.69 BILLION TO 53.53 BILLION IN '24-'25. ONE CENT ON THE TAX RATE RIGHT NOW IS 4.9 MILLION. NOW, THEY CALLED US THE OTHER DAY. WE'RE MOST LIKELY GOING TO BE SEEING ANYWHERE THE AVERAGE HOME VALUE GOING UP 28% TO 30% ON THE AVERAGE HOME VALUE. ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT EVERYBODY TO KEEP IN MIND, STATE LAW DICK TAKES YOU CAN'T BE -- WE CAN'T GO UP MORE THAN 10%. IT'S CALLED A HOMESTEAD CAP. THE AVERAGE HOME VALUE REALLY -- THE TAXABLE PART CANNOT GO UP MORE THAN 10%. ON THEIR BILL THEY WILL HAVE A LINE ON THERE, AND IT SAYS HOMESTEAD CAP, AND I WILL BRING BACK ON ONE OF OUR MEETINGS WHAT THE ACTUAL BILL WOULD LOOK LIKE. WE ALSO OFFER A 20% HOMESTE EXEMPTION. WE ALSO OFFER A $40,000 EXEMPTION FOR 65 OR OVER, AND, OF COURSE, WE HAVE THE TAX FREEZE ON THE 65 AND OVER IN PLACE. WHEN YOU GO BACK IN THAT 3.5%, ARE YOU THINKING IS IT NOT GOING TO BE GOING UP 10%? IT'S NOT GOING TO BE GOING UP 2010% ON OUR ROLL. THE MAJORITY OF OUR ROLL NOW IS COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. OKAY? RESIDENTIAL IS 47%, AND COMMERCIAL IS 53%. ANYWAY, THIS IS WHAT PRELIMINARILY THEY'RE TELLING US. THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE MAILING OUT THE LETTERS APRIL 15th. AT THE END OF APRIL WE WILL GET OUR FINAL -- NOT FINAL CERTIFIED, BUT OUR PRELIMINARY CERTIFIED VALUES, AND WE WILL SEND OUT AN EMAIL TO ALL OF Y'ALL STATING WHAT THE DIFFERENCES ARE AND HOW THEY CAME IN. SALES TAX. SALES TAX HAS REALLY COME BACK. I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL HAVE BEEN TO RESTAURANTS LATELY. THEY ARE TOTALLY PACKED. RIGHT NOW WE OPERATE UNDER A THREE-YEAR CAP AS FAR AS WHAT OUR SALES TAX PROJECTION IS. FOR THE NEXT YEAR AND THE FOLLOWING YEARS, THE THREE-YEAR CAP, IF WE END UP GETTING WHAT WE THINK IS GOING TO BE $100 MILLION IN SALES TAX THIS YEAR, IT WILL BE 92.2 MILLION, AND IT'S INCLUDED WITHIN THE FORECAST. WE DO THINK OUR PROJECTION IS AROUND $100 WE HAVE THE PRICE OIL. ALL OF THIS DOES GO INTO THE SALES TAX. THIS IS JUST A LOOK AT THE THREE-YEAR AVERAGE VERSUS THE ACTUAL OF WHAT IT CAME IN THAT DIFFERENCE THERE IS WHEN WE GET THE ACTUAL SALES TAX THAT COMES IN, ANYTHING OVER WHAT WE HAVE PUT IN THE BUDGET CAN GO TOWARDS ONE-TIME EXPENDITURES, CAPITAL MAINTENANCE FUND. IT COULD GO INTO A RESERVE FUND. ANYWAY, CITY COUNCIL DECIDES WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO. RECENTLY OR THIS LAST YEAR WE WERE $3.5 MILLION OVER, AND YOU ALL PICKED SEVERAL DIFFERENT ONE-TIME PROJECTS >> THIS JUST SHOWS THE INCREASES OVER THE LAST YEAR WERE EXPECTING TO BE 9.1% OVER WHAT WE COLLECTED LAST YEAR. AND THEN THIS IS JUST FOR Y'ALL TO KNOW EACH MONTH, WE HAVE BEEN SEEING DOUBLE DIGIT INCREASES ON OUR SALES TAX, LIKE I SAID, THIS LAST MONTH, IT WAS 15% OVER WHAT WE COLLECTED LAST YEAR. BUILDING AND DEVELOPMENT-RELATED REVENUE, IF YOU GO BACK TO 1819, 19-20, WE SAW DIPS, THERE WAS A BUNCH OF PROJECTS THAT WERE PUT ON HOLD BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC. ALL THE SUDDEN, EVERYTHING STARTED OPENING UP, AND IN SEPTEMBER, WE ALL OF A SUDDEN RECEIVED ALL KINDS OF PERMIT REVENUE, BECAUSE THEY HAD RELEASED THE PROJECTS TO GET GOING. WE'RE EXPECTING 7 MILLION FOR THIS YEAR. WITHIN THE BUDGET, THE FORECAST, WE'VE INCLUDED $6.7 MILLION. A COUPLE OF ASSUMPTIONS INCLUDED WITHIN THE FORECAST, LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE HAVE A 3% ACROSS-THE-BOARD FOR CIVIL SERVICE AND NONCIVIL SERVICE, THAT IS TOTAL $6.8 MILLION FOR ALL FUNDS. ALSO WE'VE INCLUDED THE TWO CENTS OF THE TAX RATE TO GO TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE FUND. IT'S TOTALING 9.9 TO $10.6 MILLION DURING THE FORECAST. WE HAVE GONE IN AND INCLUDED OUR NORMAL CAPITAL MAINTENANCE TRANSFER OF $35.3 MILLION THROUGHOUT THE FORECAST AND THEN WE HAVE FUNDING TOTALING FOR LIBRARY BOOKS AND DIGITAL MEETING. CIP EXPENSES COMING ONLINE, THESE ARE PRESUMED TO BE FUNDED WITHIN THE FORECAST FOR THIS COMING UP YEAR, IT'S A MILLION DOLLARS, GOING OUT TO $1.4 MILLION FOR THE THREE YEARS. SEVERAL OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THAT ARE THE FIRE TRAINING CENTER COMING ONLINE, WE HAVE TWO EXPANSIONS ON FIRE STATIONS, FIRE STATION 5, AND FIRE STATION 8, INCLUDES A VERY BIG PROJECT, THE PARKWAY SERVICE CENTER, IT'S CALLED COSGROVE SERVICE CENTER NOW. ANYWAY, WE HAVE THAT COMING ONLINE. NOT INCLUDED WITHIN THIS FORECAST ARE ANY PROGRAM ENHANCEMENTS RELATED TO MANDATES, GROWTH INCREASE SERVICE TECHNOLOGY REQUESTS, OR ANY OER ITEMS. ALL OF THOSE ARE REVIEWED DURING THE ACTUAL BUDGET PROCESS. WE ALWAYS SEND OUT IN FEBRUARY TO THE DEPARTMENTS, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT AS FAR AS PERSONNEL, WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO ASK FOR DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS. RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT 47 FULLTIME POSITIONS TOTING $4.7 MILLION. THE MAJORITY OF THIS IS 22 PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICERS THAT WILL BE REQUESTED. 15 ARE FIREFIGHTERS FOR TWO NEW AMBULANCE COMPANIES, AND THEN WE HAVE TWO POLICE OFFICERS THAT ARE GOING TO BE REQUESTED FOR MENTAL HEALTH AND HOMELESSNESS. IN ADDITION, THERE'S THREE THAT GO TO THE CIP COMING ONLINE, AND THEN 12 OTHER POSITIONS IN OTHER FUNDS. WATER AND SEWER FUND, IT'S RECOVERED FROM THE PANDEMIC. I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL REMEMBER, BUT LAST TWO YEARS, WE REALLY LOST A LOT OF REVENUE ON THE SEWER SIDE BECAUSE WHEN THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES CLOSED DOWN, AND ALL THE SCHOOLS, OUR SEWER REVENUES JUST TANKED. IT'S FINALLY COME BACK TO PRE-PANDEMIC LEVELS. WE LIKE TO KEEP 60 DAYS OF WORKING CAPITAL IN HERE. IT'S AT 53. WATER AND SEWER, NORTH TEXAS GAVE US SOME NEW INFORMATION IN FEBRUARY, SO THAT IS INCLUDED WITHIN YOUR DOCUMENT. THIS IS BASED ON THE NEW WATER AND -- WATER ANNUAL MINIMUM DEMAND OF 26.6 BILLION GALLONS, BACK IN 2020, WHEN THE NEW WATER CONTRACT CAME IN, THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOWERING OUR DEMAND OR OUR USAGE THAT WE'RE PAYING FOR OVER THE NEXT 8 YEARS. RIGHT NOW IT'S 26.6, DOWN FROM 26.7. YOU'LL SEE HERE THAT WE'VE INCLUDED A PASS THROUGH OF ALL NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT INCREASE CONTRACT COST, 7.36% COMING UP FOR THIS NEXT YEAR, FOLLOWED BY 4.98, AND 5.34, THAT'S FOR WATER. ON THE SEWER, THE UPPER EAST FORK INTERCEPTOR, IT'S ABOUT 7% EACH YEAR. WE HAVE A RESERVE FUND THAT CAN BE USED TO GO AGAINST THE RATES OF $5.8 MILLION. WE HAVE INCLUDED A CAPITAL MAINTENANCE FUND TRANSFER AT $2 MILLION. OKAY. CIP PROJECTS. WE HAVE AN AWFUL LOT OF WATER AND SEWER CIP CONTRACTS. WE HAVE BEEN ON THE PAY AS YOU GO SYSTEM MEANING THE CASH FUND, OUR WER AND WER CIP PROJECTS UNLESS WE HAVE REALLY BIG PROJECTS COMING ONLINE, AND WE GO IN, SELL SOME SHORT-TERM DEBT. THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, WE HAVE $12.5 MILLION THAT'S BEING TRANSFERRED FROM THE WATER AND SEWER FUND OVER TO PAY FOR OUR CIP PROJECTS. WE HAVE SLOWLY BEEN RUNNING OUT OF MONEY WITHIN THE WATER AND SEWER CIP. THIS IS A LOOK AT THE WATER CIP. FOR 2022, '23, WE HAVE ESMATE WE' GOING TO HAVE ABOUT $25 MILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS. YOU WILL SEE IT GOING INTO A RED DEFICIT OF 15., AND THEN --9 AND THEN IT GETS BIGGER GOING OUT. ON THE SEWER SIDE, $18 MILLION IS GOING TO BE NEEDED FOR PROJECTS OVER THERE. ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE CARRYING A DEFICIT IN THIS FUND. OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS, WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK WITH SOME DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WE CAN DO, BECAUSE WE JUST CAN'T STOP THE WATER ANDEWER CIP PORTION, SO -- ANYWAY, WE JUST WANTED TO GIVE Y'ALL A HEAD'S YOU UP, AND THIS IS A DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER DAY. WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE OTHER FUNDS. I'LL GO IN, CONVENTION AND TOURISM, AND THE REC REVOLVING FUND, THEY WERE REALLY, REALLY -- THEY TOOK BIG HITS DURING THE PANDEMIC. THEY'RE STARTING TO SLOWLY COME OUT. THE MUNICIPAL DRAINAGE FUND IS DOING QUITE WELL. IF YOU REMEMBER, WE ISSUED $40 MILLION, 30 OF THAT WAS FOR THE COLLIN CREEK CULVERT. WE HAD PLANNED ON A THREE-PHASE INCREASE, THREE DIFFERENT ONES. WE PASSED THROUGH TWO IN 2020. WE'RE NOT GOING TO NEED THAT THIRD ONE. SO WE GOT REALLY GOOD INTEREST RATES. THE FUND IS DOING QUITE WELL RIGHT NOW. SO WE'RE GOOD TO GO ON THERE. SUSTAINABILITY ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES, WE HAD A RATE INCREASE OF A DOLLAR, BACK IN 2020. THEY'RE DOING FINE UNTIL YOU START OFF AT 23-24, AND 24-25, THEY DO START RUBBING RUBRUNNING A DEFICIT. THE GOLF COURSE FUND, IT WAS THE PANDEMIC SPORT, IT'S DOING VERY WELL, AND OUR CAPITAL MAINTENANCE FUND HAS REALLY BEEN HELPED BY THE BOND REFERENDUM WE HAD THE OTHER DAY. THIS IS A LOOK AT YOUR CONVENTION AND TOURISM, YOU WILL SEE IN THE BRIGHT YELLOW, YOU CAN SEE HOW THE REVENUES ARE STARTING TO PICK UP. IN FACT, WE RECEIVED SOMETHING TODAY, I THINK THEY'RE AT 74% OCCUPANCY RATE, WITH AN AVERAGE DAILY RATE OF $97. THE CIVIC CENTER IS STARTING TO GET BOOKED HERE SO ALL THAT'S GOING UP, AND THEY ARE STARTING TO RECOVER. THE REC REVOLVING FUND TOOK A HIT BECAUSE WE HAD TO CLOSE THE RECREATION CENTERS. THEY ARE STARTING TO COME OUT OF THIS AND HOPEFULLY IN 2024-25, WE'LL BE BACK TO NEARLY $4 MILLION IN COLLECTING THOSE FEES. OUR CAPITAL MAINTENANCE FUND WAS HELPED -- WE REMOVED SOME OF THE VERY, VER BIG PROJEC THAT WE HAD BEEN PAYING FOR IN CAPITAL MAINTENANCE, AND WE PUT THEM ON THE BOND REFERENDUM. AND THAT HAS REALLY HELPED THIS FUND. WE LIKE TO KEEP $20 MILLION AT THE ENDING FUND BALANCE, AND YOU'LL SEE HERE, WE ARE PLANNING ON DOING THAT THROUGH 24-25. CAPITAL MAINTENANCE, OUR GOAL IS TO PROVIDE 75% OF THE ANNUAL DEPRECIATION INTO THE FUND. RIGHT HERE, IT'S GOING TO BE 92%, OR THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING IS 92% THIS COMING UP YEAR, AHEN GOING OUT, STAYING AROUND 70%. THIS IS YOUR BUDGET CALENDAR. WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS AS WE'RE GOING FORWARD, BUT ON JULY 27th, THE CITY MANAGER WILL SUBMIT HIS RECOMMENDED BUDGET IN CIP. AT THAT TIME COPIES ARE MADE. OR MADE AVAILABLE ON OUR INTERNET SITE AND TO THE LIBRARIES. AUGUST 8th, HAVE A PRESENTATION REGARDING ALL THESE CIP. WE'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE OPERATING BUDGET AND COMMUNITY INVESTMENT PROGRAM. YOU ALSO WILL BE SET TO APPROVE THE TAX ROLL THAT COMES IN, THE TAX ROLL IS DUE TO US ON JULY 25th, AND THEN WE WILL DISCUSS THE PROPOSED TAX RATE THAT Y'ALL ARE THINKING YOU'RE GOING TO BE PASSING IN SEPTEMBER. THURSDAY, AUGUST 12th, WE HAVE A BUDGET TOWN HALL MEETING. NOW, WE DO HAVE A CHANGE HERE. WE USED TO HAVE AT THE FIRST OF AUGUST, WE HAD A WHOLE WORK SESSION THAT WAS DEVOTED TO ALL OUR GRANTS. THE ARTS GRANTS, OUR SOCIAL SERVICES GRANTS, OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION. THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THEY'VE BEEN SO EFFICIENT, WE'RE ONLY HERE LIKE 15, 20 MINUTES. WE'VE MOVED THOSE TO THE FIRST PART OF THE AGENDA, WHICH WILL BE ON SATURDAY AUGUST 11th, WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR FULL DAY BUDGET WORK SESSION. SEPTEMBER 12th, YOU WILL HAVE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE TAX RATE. THE COUNCIL WILL THEN ADOPT THE OPERATING BUDGET, CIP AND SET THE TAX RATE, AND THEN OCTOBER 1, WE BEGIN AGAIN. OKAY. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES AND I'VE GOT MIKE ELLIS HERE. ORDERING OF FIRE AND ENVIRONMENTAL WASTE SERVICES VEHICLES. ON THE FIRE, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR TONIGHT IS THE -- WE HAVE THREE PUMPER TRUCKS THAT ARE SCHEDULED TO BE REPLACED IN YEAR 24-25. IT IS TAKING SO LONG TO ORDER AND THEN TO RECEIVE THE VEHICLES. WE ARE ASKG THAT WE BE ABLE TO SUBMIT A LETTER OF INTENT TO THE MAKER THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DEFINITELY ORDERING THESE VEHICLES. WE'RE ALSO NOT ONLY THAT, IF WE GIVE IT TO THEM BY MAY 1, WE WILL SAVE 7.25% PER VEHICLE. THEY'RE HAVING PRICE ESCALATIONS ALL THE TIME. LET'S TALK ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL WASTE. THIS IS -- THIS IS A NORMAL PRACTICE FOR US TO GO IN AND PRORDER THE SOLID WASTE TRUCKS, BUT NORMALLY WE'RE PRE-ORDERING LIKE AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER. THE TIME DELAY IS SO LONG NOW WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND IN MAY ORDER THOSE. NOW, ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND, YOU'RE NOT PAYING -- YOU'RE NOT FUNDING ANY OF THIS. YOU'RE NOT WRITING OUT A CHECK. THE CHECK DOES NOT GET WRITTEN 'TIL WE ACTUALLY RECEIVE THE VEHICLES. ALSO, DURING THE BUDGET DISCUSSION, THIS IS NOT FOR TONIGHT, BUT THE BUDGET DISCUSSION, WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING LEASING SOME VEHICLES IN OUR FLEET VERSUS PURCHASING THEM BECAUSE IT'S TAKING SO LONG. ANYWAY, LIKE I MENTIONED, WE'LL HAVE SAVING, IF WE ORDER BY MAY 1, WHAT QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE ON THIS, BECAUSE I DO HAVE MIKE ELLIS. HE IS OUR MANAGER OVER EQUIPMENT SERVICES. >> ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS ON THE VEHICLES? >> NO, I THINK IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE. >> I THINK WE'RE GOOD TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT. >> GOOD? OKAY. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU TONIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR KAREN? THANK Y'ALL -- CONGRESSMAN WILLIAMS, I JUST GAVE YOU A HUGE PROMOTION. SORRY. NOT YET. [ LAUGHTER ] PREDICTION OF THE FUTURE. >> RIGHT. RIGHT. THANK YOU, KAREN. BECAUSE OF OUR -- OUR INCREASING EXPENSES, MITIGATED A LITTLE BIT BY INCREASING SALES TAX REVENUE, BUT ALSO BECAUSE OF THE BONDS THAT WE'VE BEEN ISSUING, OUR DEBT SERVICE IS INCREASING BASED ON THE DOCUMENTS I LOOKED AT BY ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR. WHAT IS OUR ACTUAL CURRENT DEBT BALANCE WITH EVERYTHING WE'VE ISSUED TO DATE? >> WELL, I'LL SEND Y'ALL THAT IN AN E-MAIL TOMORROW, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT WHAT I REMEMBER, IT'S ABOUT $340 MILLION. BUT I WILL SEND IT TO YOU TOMORROW. >> THANK YOU. >> I'S ACTUALLY WRITTEN IN THE BUDGET BOOK, WHICH I DON'T HAVE HERE, BUT WE HAVE TO -- NOW ON THE FRONT COVER, YOU HAVE TO STATE WHAT YOUR OUTSTANDING DEBT IS. I WILL TELL YOU THIS. WE'VE GOT ONE OF THE LOWEST OUTSTANDING DEBT PER CITIZENS AROUND SO WE'RE DOING GOOD. >> THANK YOU, KAREN. BACK TO YOU, GOVERNOR. [ LAUGHTER ] >> I'M GOING TO JUMP IN REAL QUICK BEFORE WE GET ANY FURTHER ON THE TITLE CHANGES. [ LAUGHTER ] MAYOR AND COUNCIL, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO MENTION IS WE HAVE AN UPCOMING RETREAT, I BELIEVE ITS APRIL 28th, WE WILL DISCUSS AT THAT TIME ANY COUNCIL PRIORITIES THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET, BUT WE KNOW IT'S A CHALLENGING YEAR FOR CITIZENS WITH INFLATION AND WITH SOME OF THOSE COSTS WHICH IS WHY WE WERE MAKING SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD THE CAPS ON WHAT THE TAXABLE VALUE WILL BE AS WELL AS OUR EXEMPTIONS OF HOMESTEAD SENIOR EXEMPTIONS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, BUT WE ARE NOT IMMUNE FROM THOSE SAME INCREASES, AND I THINK THAT IS A REALLY IMPORTANT STORY THAT KAREN WAS SHARING THERE WITH REGARD TO FUEL AND INFLATION, BUT WE ARE DOING WHAT WE CAN WITH REGARD TO LOCKING IN PRICES AND TRYING TO MOVEHEAD ON SOME OF THESE CONSIDERING OTHER OPTIONS OF LEASES VERSUS PURCHASES, BUT THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS. SO KAREN AND I WILL BE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MINUTES TALKING WITH DEPARTMENTS, TALKING WITH COUNCIL, MAKING SURE WE PUT TOGETHER THE BEST OVERALL VALUE FOR OUR BUDGET AS WE CAN AS WE'VE DONE THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. >> THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH, KAREN. >> ITEM NUMBER 3, STREAMBANK STABILIZATION PROJECT PRESENTATION. >> >> ALL RIGHT, GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS CALEB THEN HILL, DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING. TONIGHT I HAVE WITH ME ALLISON SMITH WHO IS AN ENGINEER SENIOR IN OUR CIP, OR COMMUNITY INVESTMENT PROGRAM DIVISION. AND RUSSELL ERSKINE WHO IS IN OUR DEVELOPMENT DIVISION, THEY HAVE AN EXTENSIVE DRAINAGE BACKGROUND AND EXIST LEAD IN THE STABILIZATION PROGRAM. TONIGHT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IT, AT THE END OF IT, I WILL BE ASKING FOR DIRECTION ON OUR CURRENT POLICY FOR THE PROGRAM. ALL RIGHT, SO THE PROGRAM ITSELF OBVIOUSLY ALLISON AND I HAVE NOT BEEN HERE SINCE PLANO STARTED, BUT FROM WHAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FIND, THE PROGRAM WAS INITIATED SOMEWHERE IN THE LATE '80s AND EARLY '90s, IS WHEN WE STARTED GETTING CUSTOMER OR CITIZE CONCERNS ABOUT EROSION. AND AT SOME POINT IN THE EARLY '90s, A CRITERIA WAS DEVELOPED TO EVALUATE CERTAIN PROPERTIES. IN THE LATE '90s, WE COLLABORATED WITH THREE CITIES ALAN McKINNEY AND GARLAND, WHICH WILL GIVE US, ALSO DEVELOPERS, ENGINEERS GUIDANCE ON PROPER STABILIZATION TECHNIQUES WITHIN THE CITY. AND REALLY THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS TO REDUCE POTENTIAL DAMAGE TO PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THE ENVIRONMENT ITSELF. SO ALLISON AND RUSSELL ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE RANKING EVALUATION SHEET THAT WE USE WHEN WE EVALUATE, AND SO FROM A PROCEDURE OR PROCESS STANDPOINT, RIGHT NOW WE WILL GET A CALL OR AN E-MAIL OR A FIX IT FROM A CITIZEN THAT HAS CONCERNS ABOUT EROSION. IT MAY BE A FENCE THAT'S LEANING. IT MAY BE JUST A STEEP BANK, WHATEVER THE ISSUE MAY BE. ALLISON AND RUSSELL TAKE SEVERAL STEP, CONTACT THE OWNER. ONE OF THOSE, THEY WILL INVESTIGATE THE PLAT LANGUAGE AND THE PLAT LANGUAGE WILL INDICATE WHOSE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT CREEK. THEY WILL DO AN EVALUATION WHETHER THAT EROSION IS OUTSIDE OF THE EXISTING DRAINAGE EASEMENT, THEY WILL ALSO EVALUATE THE PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS, HOW TALL IS THE STREAMBANK, WHAT IS THE HEIGHT OF THE BANK, THEY WILL INVESTIGATE WHETHER THERE'S ANY STRUCTURES INVOLVE OBVIOUSLY RESIDENCE ROADS BRIDGE ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES, ANY MAJOR UTILITIES IN THE AREA. THEY WILL GOHROU THE CHECKLIST YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT AND THEY WILL ASSIGN A SCORE TO IT. BASED ON THAT SCORE, THEY WILL PUT THAT ON AN EVALUATION, AND THEN THEY WILL ACTUALLY GIVE THE INFORMATION BACK TO THE CITIZENS. NOW, THAT SCORE WILL GO INTO, WE 'VE GOT A DATABASE THAT WE KEEP, THAT SCORE WILL ACTUALLY, IT'S NOT A FIRST COME FIRST SERVE. THAT SCORE IS THE HIGHEST, SO THE HIGHEST PROJECTS OR THE HIGHEST RANKINGS ARE THE PROJECTS THAT WE WILL THEN INITIATE INTO A CIP PROJECT. BUT IT'S KEY AND WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THIS, I KNOW THERE'S SEVERAL SPEAKERS HERE TONIGHT, THE PLAT LANGUAGE REALLY DID TAKE THAT FIRST STEP FOR US AND WHETHER WE DID PUT THIS ON THE CIP PROJECT, SO REGARDLESS OF THE SCORE, THAT PLAT LANGUAGE IS THE FIRST STEP FOR US, BLESS YOU. THE FUNDING FOR IT, IT COMES FROM THE MUNICIPAL DRAINAGE SYSTEM FUND. THIS SHOULD LOOK FAMILIAR. WE JUST UPDATED THIS BACK IN 2020 FOR THE COLLIN CREEK CULVERTS, THAT IS A MAJOR PORTION OF THIS, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE PROJECTING WORKING WITH BUDGET, AND KAREN, I KNOW SHE'S ALREADY LEFT, BUT SOMEWHERE AROUND $10.3 MILLION A YEAR, FROM THAT FUND. AND THAT FUND WILL FUND THIS PROGRAM. FROM A BREAK DOWN STANDPOINT, HERE IS THE MAJOR COMPONENTS OF THAT FUND, COLLIN CREEK AS I MENTIONED, THAT IS $2.4 MILLION PER YEAR. IF YOU'LL REMEMBER, THE PROJECT BID AROUND $23 MILLION FOR THE ENTIRE PROJECT, BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 2.4 MILLION PER YEAR, AND ALL OF THESE NUMBERS ON ON A PER YEAR BASIS, SO THE SALARY IS FOR STAFF, PUBLIC RKS AROUND 20 STAFF, ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH, PLANNING ENGINEERING HAS STAFF DEDICATED TO DRAINAGE, RUSSELL AND ALLISON, PARKS SPENDS ABOUT $2 MILLION A YEAR, AND THAT IS TO STABILIZE THEIR CHANNELS, CREEKS THROUGHOUT THEIR PROPERTY. ENGINEERING USES 1.3 MILLION, AND THAT'S FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF DRAINAGE PROJECTS THAT USUALLY IS SOME TYPE OF MAINTENANCE OF AN EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE, SO WHETHER IT'S AN EXISTING HEAD WALL, A PIPE THAT'S COLLAPSED, A PIPE THAT NEEDS TO BE UP-SIZED, A CLOSED SYSTEM, WE'LL USE FOR THOSE TYPES OF PROJECTS. OTHER IS, YOU KNOW, ANYYPE OF EQUIPMENT THAT WE NEED, TRUCKS FOR PUBLIC WORKS, ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES THAT THEY WILL NEED TO DO MAINTENANCE NEEDS RELATED TO DRAINAGE, RELATED TO CREEKS THAT WE HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY, AND THEN THE STREAMBANK STABILIZATION, WE DEDICATE 500,000 A YEAR TO THAT, SO IT'S ABOUT 5% OF THAT TOTAL $10 MILLION. SO FOR AN EXAMPLE, I'M SURE THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT, YOU GUYS PROBABLY ALL SEEN AT ONE POINT, SOMEWHERE IN THE CITY. THIS IS A GAVIAN WALL, IT'S A WIRE MESH, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, THAT HAS ROCKS INSIDE OF IT. IT'S ONE OF OUR BEST PERFORMERS, CITIZENS SEEM TO LIKE IT. IT'S GOT A MORE NATURAL LOOK THAN JUST A CONCRETE WALL IN A CHANNEL, OR WHAT YOU MAY SEE ON THE SIDE OF A TxDOT CONSTRUCTION ROAD WHERE THERE'S A (INDISCERNIBLE) UP AGAINST HOLDING THE BANK. IT HAS A VERY GOOD LIFESPAN, A GOOD PERFORMANCE, THIS IS A PROJECT WE DID RECENTLY AT PRAIRIE CREEK AND INDEPENDENCE. A COUPLE MORE PROJECTS. THIS IS AGAIN THE GABIAN STRUCTURE OR WALL, AND THE LAST ONE, PRIOR CREEK. YOU CAN SEE FROM A SCALE PERSPECTIVE, THE GENTLEMAN THERE IN THE GREEN, ASSUMING HE'S SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 5 AND 6 FEET TALL, THAT WALL IS UPWARDS OF 15, 18 FEET TALL AT THIS LOCATIN. SO I TALKED ABOUT THE RESPONSIBILITIES A LITTLE BIT, AND THIS IS REALLY A BREAK DOWN OF RESPONSIBILITIES THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF PLANO. SO PLANO HAS SOMEWHERE AROUND 14, CREEK CHANNEL THROUGHOUT THE CITY. 52 OF THAT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY, AND BY THAT I MEAN ON THE PLAT, FOR THAT PARCEL, WHETHER IT'S CITY-OWNED OR IF IT IS -- IT DOES NOT ASSIGN ANY RESPONSIBILITY THE CITY HAS TAKEN OWNERSHIP OR RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THOSE STREAMS. THE NONRESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL IS 54 MILES WHERE IT CLEARLY STATES ON THE PLAT THAT IT'S A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY NONRESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, AND THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. CITY PARKS I ABOUT 21.3 MILES, HOA INDIVIDUAL, WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE APPROXIMATELY 8.6 MILES, THE 2.8, THAT'S THE VERY FEW REMAINING AREAS WHERE IT'S UNDEVELOPED, UNPLATTED, AG PROPERTIES IN THE CITY. SO WHAT WE HAVE SEEN, ALLISON AND RUSSELL CAN ATTEST TO THIS IS OUR RESPONSES OR CONCERNS FROM CITIZENS HAS RISEN IN RECENT YEARS. WE NORMALLY ARE AROUND 25 TO 30 VISITS PEREAR, IN 2021 WE HAD 54 VISITS, SO, YOU KNOW, ONE A WEEK ESSENTIALLY. THAT IS A 50% INCREASE SINCE 2018. OUT OF THOSE VISITS, WHEN WE GO AND LOOK AT THE PLAT, 75% IS CITY RESPONSIBILITY AND 25% IS EITHER AN HOA OR AN INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER. EACH OF THOSE SITE VISITS TAKE OUR STAFF ANYWHERE FROM 12 TO 20 HOURS DEPENDING ON THE COMPLEXITY, DEPENDING ON THE MAGNITUDE. THEY WILL GO OUT, DO THE EVALUAOL OUT THAT FORM, THEY'LL SEND CORRESPONDENCE AND THE LETTER BACK TO THE CITIZENS. OBVIOUSLY, SOME OF THESE ARE MASSIVE. IT'S -- IT MAY BE ONE PROPERTY OWNER THAT BRINGS THE CONCERN TO US, BUT THEY MAY INVESTIGATE SEVERAL THOUSAND FEET IN EITHER DIRECTION JUST DEPENDING ON THE CONDITIONS OUT THERE. SO I'M NOT GOING TO ASK YOU TO READ THIS BECAUSE I'M STANDING RIGHT NEXT TO IT AND I CAN'T READ IT EITHER,, BUT THIS IS PLAT LANGUAGE FROM AN HOA, AND I PULLED OUT THE HIGHLIGHT THERE ABOVE IT, BUT ESSENTIALLY EXISTING CREEK OR CREEKS WILL BE MAINTNED BY THE OWNERS ASSOCIATION OF THE LOT OR LOTS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE DRAINAGE COURSE. SO WHEN A DEVELOPMENT TYPICALLY WOULD COME IN, THEY WILL DEDICATE THE AREA IN A DRAINAGE EASEMENT, BUT THE OWNERSHIP WILL REMAIN WITH THE HOA, THE PLAT WILL DICTATE WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT. YOU KNOW, THE SAMPLE DOWN BELOW, OBVIOUSLY VERY CLEAR, PLANO WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE FOR THAT. SO THE LAST FEW ARE JUST SOME EXAMPLE SLIDES, Y KNOW, WE SEE ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF SITUATIONS. THIS IS VERY UNIQUE. THE -- THE DEVELOPMENT -- IS IT SKIPPING? HERHERE WE GO. THE DEVELOPMENT CAME IN IN A VERY PHASED APPROACH. I'M NOT TOUCHING ANYTHING. I DON'T KNOW WHO IS DOING THAT. OH, I'M STILL NOT TOUCHING ANYTHING. [ LAUGHTER ] IS THERE SOMEBODY BEHIND THE CURTAIN? WE'LL TRY AGAIN. DELOPMENT IS AGAIN A PHASED APPROACH. THE PARCEL IN ORANGE -- YOU GUYS SEE MY HANDS, THAT IS REALLY NOT ME. [ LAUGHTER ] JUST A TEST. SO, UMM, BUT IF YOU CAN IMAGINE THE PICTURE, AND THERE SHOULD BE IN THE -- THERE'S A DESCRIPTION IN THE PACKET THERE IN YOUR MEMO THAT YOU RECEIVED, BUT THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST OF THAT CREEK IS A HOA-OWNED PARCEL, AND AGAIN, IT WAS A PHASED DEVELOPMENT. THE INTENT WAS NOT FOR IT TO BE PHASED, BUT DURING THE '80s, FORECLOSURES AND WHNOT, T PROPERTY ON THE WEST IS HOA-OWNED AND MAINTAINED PER THE PLAT. THE PROPERTY IN RED THAT YOU SAW OP THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT IS CITY-OWNED AND MAINTAINED. SO WHEN THAT SECOND PHASE CAME IN, OR THAT NEXT PHASE CAME IN, THE DEVELOPER REQUESTED -- THERE WE GO -- THAT THAT TO BE A CITY-OWNED PARCEL, SO WE'VE GOT TO THE CENTER OF THE STREAM, ONE OWNED -- ONE SIDE HOA, ONE SIDE CITY. ALL RIGHT, I WILL TRY THIS ONE. ALL RIGHT. HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF AN INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER. SO THE HOUSES THERE THAT YOU SEE OWN TO THE CENTER OF THE CREEK, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THAT CREEK IS ACTUALLY PARK LAND, SO THE PARKS MAINTAINS THE OPPOSITE SIDE. YOU CAN SEE THE TRAIL THERE ON THE UPPER RIGHT CORNER OF THE AERIAL VIEW. OBVIOUSLY, YOU CAN SEE THE EXTENT OF THE EROSION, THIS BANK IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 12, 15 FEET TALL. YOU CAN SEE THE FENCE, I BELIEVE RUSSELL WAS TELLING ME EARLIER THAT THIS FENCE HAS BEEN RELOCATED SEVERAL TIMES BECAUSE THE EROSION. BUT AGAIN, WHEN WE GBACK TO THE PLAT, THE LEGAL DOCUMENT, IT STATES THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THIS. THE LAST ONE, AGAIN, FAIRLY UNIQUE SITUATION. WE'VE GOT A POND LAKE, IF YOU WILL, IT'S ABOUT TWO AND A QUARTER ACRE, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE DEFINITION, WHERE IT SWITCHES, BUT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTH OF IT. YOU CAN SEE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH OF IT. OBVIOUSLY, THE RESIDENTIAL IS A LOT OLDER. IT CAME IN IN THE LATE '60s EARE PLAT DOES NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT RESPONSIBILITY. THERE WAS A DEDICATED DRAINAGE EASEMENT. ALL OF THE RESIDENTS, THERE'S NINE OF THEM THAT GO TO THE CENTER OF THAT POND. AGAIN, THE PLAT SAYS NOTHING. THE COMMERCIAL CAME IN LATER IN THE '80s, AND THERE SAYS THAT IT'S THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, IT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE MAINTENANCE OR IT. TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, THE POND IS ESSENTIALLY SPLIT FROM A RESPONSIBILITY STANDPOINT. SO LAST EXAMPLE IS A DEVELOPMENT THAT CAME IN IN THE EARLY '80s, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT, IT'S -- CALL IT A FINGER LAKE, ESSENTIALLY IT'S 16 INDIVIDUAL LAKES, BUT IN A ROW. THIS WAS DEVELOPED LIKE I SAID IN EARLY '80s, LATE 70s. ALL OF THE PROPERTIES THAT ABUTT THE LAKES ARE A PART OF A MANDATORY H OA, THE REMAINING DEVELOPMENT IS A VOLUNTARY HOA, THE CITY HAS DONE SOME WORK IN THIS AREA. THE VERY FIRST POND, AS IT WAS DEVELOPED AND CONSTRUCTED, THIS WAS IN THE EARLY '80s, DEVELOPMENT WAS BOOMING AROUND HERE, THE POND STARTED FILLING UP WITH SEDIMENT AND THE CITY ENDED UP GOING BACK AND TAKING IT FROM A NATURAL STATE TO AENCO CRETE OR A SEDIMENTATION BASE OR POND, SO IT COULD BE MAINTAINED EASIER. .SO THAT'S THE END, I KNOW WE DO HAVE SE SPEAKER, BUT, AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR GGUIDANCE OF CURRENT POLICY. I THINK A FEW SPEAKERS THAT LIVE IN THESE AREAS THAT WE SHOWED TONIGHT. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO GET FROM COUNCIL CURRENT POLICY, IF WE NEED TO MODIFY IT, IF WE NEED TO CHANGE IT, WE WOULD COME BACK TO YOU ON WHAT THE IMPACT OR WHAT SOME OPTIONS THAT WE COULD DO TO CONSIDER THAT, BUDGETARY IMPACTS, SO ON, SO FORTH, BUT WITH THAT, I'LL END THERE, AND OPEN IT TO ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MAY HAVE. >> PRIOR TO ASKING QUESTIONS, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE CITIZENS IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU, AND THEN WE CAN CIRCLE BACK WITH CALEB AND ASK HIM QUESTIONS AND THEN GIVE HIM DIRECTION. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> SO WE'RE GOING TO GIVE EVERY SPEAKER THREE MINUTES, AND LISA WILL CALL YOU IN THE ORDER THAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEAK. >> BRENT EMKE. >> THANK YOU. I'M BRENT EMKE, THE PRESIDENT OF THE HILLS OF INDIAN CREEK HOA. IN 1983 THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE ZONING CHANGE FOR 380 -- 360-ACRE TRACT FOR UP TO 1092 HOMES, WHICH ULTIMATELY BECAME THE HILLS OF PRESTONWOOD. A REQUIREMENT IN THE ZONING APPROVAL WAS THAT THERE SHALL BE A MASTER HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION FOR THE ENTIRE TRACT. IN 1984 THE FIRST DEVELOPMENT WAS INDIAN HILLS PHASE I, IT CONSISTED OF 122 HOMES AND ULTIMATELY BECAME OUR HOA. A CREEK FORMS ONE OF THE BOUNDARIES OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND 20 HOME LOTS ARE ADJACENT TO THE CREEK. THE 1984 PLAT MAP LISTS TWO DRAINAGE LOTS AS OWNERS ASSOCIATION COMMON PROPERTY. THE HOA COVENANTS LIST THE TWO CREEK LOTS AS MASTER COMMON PROPERTIES. THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER OF THE 360 ACRES FAILED IN 1989 WHILE OUR DEVELOPMENT WAS STIL IN PROGRESS. ULTIMATELY RESOLUTION TRUST SOLD VARIOUS TRACTS TO A NUMBER OF NEW DEVELOPERS. THE CITY NEVER ENFORCED THE MASTER HOA. NO DEED WAS EVER TRANSFERRED OR RECORDED FOR THE LOTS IDENTIFIED ON OUR PLAT MAP. THE COLLIN COUNTY TAX ASSESSOR ASSIGNED THOSE THE SOLE OWNERSHIP OF THOSE TWO CREEK LOTS OUR HOA BASED EXCLUSIVELY ON THE PLAT MAP. OUR HOA POSITION IS WE WERE NEVER INTENDED TO BE THE OWNERS OF THAT -- OF THOSE TWO CREEK LOTS. A DEED WAS NEVER TRANSFERRED AND THEREFORE OUR HOA IS NOT THE OWNER. PRESENTLY PORTIONS OF THE STREAMBANK NEED REMEDIATION AND THE CITY OF PLANO ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS PROVIDED A REPORT. EVEN IF WE WERE THE OWNERS, OUR HOA DUES AND ANNUAL BUDGET CANNOT SUPPORT REMEDIATION. PASSING SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS REQUIRE TWO-THIRDS MAJORITY MAKING APPROVAL IMPROBABLE. THROUGH NO FAULTS OF OUR HOA MEMBERS WE'RE ASSIGNED OWNERSHIP. WE'RE ASKING THE CITY TO RECTIFY THE ISSUE AND TAKE OWNERSHIP AND MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY. WE HAVE FURTHER INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE SHARED WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. THEY CHANGE REGULARLY AND WE ARE EXPECTED TO RAISE THE FUNDS AND NAGE MULTI-YEAR COMPLEX ENGINEERING AND CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS. IT'S JUST NOT REALISTIC. IF INDIVIDUAL HOAs ARE UNABLE TO FUND REPAIRS, THE CITY NEEDS TO STEP IN. THE SOONER, THE LESS DAMAGE THAT WILL OCCUR. >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS JOHN PASCUSCI. >> 1812 WEST LANE DRIVE, PLANO. HERE SPEAKING ON THE STREAMBANK STABILIZATION PROJECT. FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE CHANCE TO SPEAK THIS EVENING. I KNOW IT'S A DIFFICULT TIME, AND YOU HEAR A LOT OF DIFFERENT STUFF, AND YOUR ATTENTION IS SPLIT MANY DIFFERENT WAYS, SO THE FACT THAT WE CAN STAND UP HERE AND SPEAK TO YOU MEANS A LOT AS A RESIDENT OF PLANO. I'VE BEEN A RESPECT OF PLANO SINCE 2015. WE MOVED HERE FROM DALLAS. OBVIOUSLY, A BIGGER CONGLOMERATE AND THE ATTENTION WE GET HERE IN PLANO FEELS REALLY, REALLY GOOD COMPARED TO THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY MY WIFE AND MY SON, WE LIVE AT ON THE RUNNINGS, AND ALL THE NEIGHBORS IN GREEN LIVE ON WEST LAKE. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT NOT NEIGHBORS ARE THE WEST LAKE POND ARE SITTING UP THERE BUT ALSO NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE ACROSS THE STREET IN WEST LAKE WHO HAVE VISITED OUR BA YAR AND SN OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS SOME OF THE SEDIMENTATION AND EROSION OF OUR STREAMBANK. THE WEST LAKE POND IS ONE THAT YOU WERE PRESENTED. DIDN'T HAVE A NAME ON IT, BUT IN CALEB'S PRESENTATION. CALEB, GOOD TO FINALLY MEET YOU IN PERSON. WE DID THE WHOLE COVID THING, SO A YEAR OF ZOOM MEETINGS. ABOUT TWO YRS AGO WHE THE CONSTRUCTION ACROSS PLANO PARKWAY ON THE SOUTH SIDE STARTED IS WHEN OUR CONCERNS AROSE. IN MY RESIDENCE WE'RE NOT AGAINST CONSTRUCTION. WE APPLAUD THE CITY COUNCIL'S COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH TO GROWTH IN THE CITY, BUT IT IS CONCERNING TO US WHEN SOME OF THAT GROWTH ENDS UP IN OUR BACK YARDS. I WILL SAY THAT OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS THAT WE'VE SEEN A FLOOR RISING OF OUR POND. ESTIMATED TWO FEET. I'M NOT THE SPECIALIST. THE SPECIALISTS HAVE BEEN TOUT THE POND, AND THEY CAN SPEAK TO THAT, BUT WT I HAVEOTICED IS THAT WHEN MY SON AND I GO OUT TO GO FISHING, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF FISH LEFT AND THERE ARE CERTAIN PARTS OF THE POND THAT WE CANNOT MANEUVER OUR LITTLE BOAT AROUND. ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I WAS SO EXCITED ABOUT MOVING INTO THIS PROPERTY WAS BECAUSE OF THE LITTLE POND IN THE BACKYARD AND MY SON GROWING UP AND BEING ABLE TO GO FISHING AND SPENDING TIME WITH NEIGHBORS AND THINGS OF THAT SORT. WE CAN SEE THAT DISAPPEARING. IT'S A LITTLE BIT CONCERNING. SOME OF THE COUNCIL HAS BEEN TO MY HOME AND SEEN WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT ATTENTION. THANK YOU, AGAIN, FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I NEED TO GET MY SON HOME, SO I'LL CUT THIS SHORT. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A REQUEST FOR THE COUNCIL TO ACT ON THE SAMPLES THAT HAVE BEEN TAKEN. I WOULD LIKE TO ACT ON THE SHORES THAT HAVE BEEN READED AWAY AND THE DOCUMENTS THAT I'VE PROVIDED IN THE GOOGLE FORM AND ON ANY FUTURE IMPACT TO OUR PROPERTY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS -- (APPLAUSE). >> RAUL DRANCAR. >> HI. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. I THINK THREE MINUTES IS MORE THAN ENOUGH FOR ME. I JUST WANTED TO COME TALK TO YOU TODAY. I'M A RESIDENT OF PLANO. I MOVED HERE AROUND 2014 LIVING IN A HOUSE, BOUGHT THE HOUSE BECAUSE THERE WAS A CREEK BEHIND. BEAUTIFUL AND 100-YEAR-OLD TREES. THREE, FOUR TREES ARE GONE. TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF EROSION. I LIVE BY THE BAY ON 8328 PARKER ROAD DRIVE. THIS IS OFF OF SCENIC DRIVE. JUST TO GIVE YOU A VISUAL, I DID NOT KNOW THAT I COULD DO A BIG POSTER AND THERE WAS A RULE AGAINST THAT, SO I DID NOT GET A PICTURE, BUT EMAIL THAT OUT. BEHIND MY PROPERTY ABOUT THREE FEET OR FOUR FEET AWAY IS A 15-FOOT DROP NOW. THIS WAS NOT THE CASE WHEN I MOVED HERE ABOUT FIVE, SIX YEARS AGO. IT'S A HUGE AMOUNT OF RAPID EROSION IS HAPPENING, AND THAT EROSION IS BECOMING BURDENSOME FOR US. AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THERE ARE KIDS RUNNNG ACROSS. SOMETIMES THEY'RE HIDING IN THE BACKYARD. OUR DOG WANTS TO GO WHEN THE KIDS GO. I TRY TO PUT SOME TEMPORARY FENCE SO THAT KIDS DON'T GO NEAR THIS AREA, BUT IT'S BECOMING ALSO A SAFETY HAZARD. THESE ARE REAL, REAL PROBLEMS, AND, I MEAN, I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO WORK WITH RUSSELL AND ALLISON, AND I THINK THEY HAVE VISITED AND LOOKED AT THE PROPERTY. THEY'VE RATED IT MEDIUM HIGH. WHEN YOU LIVE THERE, IT DOESN'T FEEL MEDIUM AT ALL. RIGHT? I JUST WANT TO GIVE A PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE MEDIUM HIGH, ALL THESE SCALES WE LOOK AT, BUT WHEN YOU REALLY COME AND LOOK AT THE -- THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOU HAD COME AND LOOKED AT IT. WH I HAVE TRIED OF THAT, WE SPOKE TO THE CITY AND THE HOA. WE JUST NEED HELP. THIS IS A PROJECT THAT I DON'T THINK THE HOA ALONE CAN TAKE ON. WHAT STARTED OUT AS A DROME HOME, I LOVE PLANO. I CHOSE THIS. I HAVE MANY OPTIONS TO PICK FROM, BUT I REALLY LOVE PLANO, AND I REALLY BOUGHT THIS AS A DREAM HOME, AND IT'S KIND OF BECOMING A NIGHTMARE, AND I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IF YOU CULD STEP IN AND HELP OUT ME BACK INTO A DREAM HOME BY SUPPORTING THE AS WELL AS SOME W OF REINFORCING THE EROSION THAT IS HAPPENING. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. (APPLAUSE). >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS JOEY SEVEN. MY NAME IS JOEY SEVEN. MARILYNN AND MY WIFE WE'VE LIVED HERE FOR 17 YEARS. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO THE CITIZENS OF PLANO. IT TELLS ME THAT -- US THAT YOU CARE. IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO US. YOU HEARD RAUL JUST SPEAKING ABOUT HIS HOUSE AND HIS BACKYARD, AND IT'S PRETTY SERIOUS BECAUSE -- WE HAVE A PHOTOGRAPH THREE OR FOUR FEET FROM THE EDGE OF HIS HOUSE TO THE FENCE TO THE DROP-OFF. LIKE HE SAID, KIDS PLAY BACK THERE ALL THE TIME. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS OUR REQUEST WE NEED YOUR HELP TO ADDRESS THE SCREEN E STREAMBANK EROSION IN THE ESTATES OF WOODED COVE TO PROVIDE A SAFETY ENVIRONMENT FOR OUR FAMILIES AND PREVENT THE LOSS OF LIFE AND PROPERTY CAUSED BY EROSION. CAN YOU IMAGINE EIGHT FEET, 12 FEET OF WATER RUSHING THROUGH AND SOME KID FALLING IN? IT'S PRETTY SERIOUS. QUESTION ASK THAT YOU FUND THE PROJECT BEHIND BARBER OAK, WHICH IS RAUL'S HOUSE. WE HAVE ANOTHER SITUATION ON QUINTON DRIVE THAT'S GOT A SIMILAR PROBLEM, BUT PLEASE INCLUDE THESE TWO SITES IN YOUR STREAMBANK STABILIZATION BUDGET, AND THE REMAINDER OF THIS FISCAL YEAR, IF POSSIBLE, AND NEXT FISCAL YEAR. THEN HELP US TO MONITOR THE HEALTH OF THE STREAMBANK GOING FORWARD BECAUSE THINGS CHANGE OVER TIME, SO WE WANT TO HELP US MONITOR THOSE. THEN NUMBER FIVE, THE LAST BULLET IS RECOMMEND HOW WE CAN HELP YOU AND THE STREAM BANK PROGRAM TO BE SUCCESSFUL ALL THROUGHOUT PLANO GOING FORWARD. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS MICHAEL ARROYO. >> GOOD EVENING. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOA THAT THE FIRST TWO GENTLEMEN WENT -- ESTATES AT WOODED COVE. LIVE AT 8604 QUINTON POINT DRIVE, AND I'M REPRESENTING THE 8 HOMEOWNERS WITHIN THAT HOA IMPACTED BY THE EROSION CURRENTLY OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THE CITY OF PLANO'S RESPONSIBILITY. IN OUR SITUATION THE CREEK -- IN OUR SITUATION THERE'S A CREEK THAT STARTS TO THE NORTH OF OUR PROPERTY, AND IT STARTS WITH TWO LARGE STORM DRAINAGE XWDEPOSITSF RAIN WATER, AND BASICALLY ALL THE COMMUNITIES TO THE NORTH OF US ARE DROPPING WATER OUT OF THESE DRAINAGE FACILITIES INTO A CREEK BEHIND OUR HOMES. THE CREEK MEANDERS FOR THE COMMUNITY FOR APPROXIMATELY A QUARTER OF A MILE PICKING UP VOLUME FROM EVERY STORM DRAIN ALONG THE WAY. TO THE SOUTH OF THE COMMUNITY IT CONNECTS UP WITH A LARGER CREEK, THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM, WE BELIEVE, MAINTAINED BY THE CITY OF PLANO. WE'RE KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS PIPELINE HERE. DURING RAIN EVENTS IT'S AN AWESOME AND SCARY SIGHT TO WITNESS. THE ROARING RAPIDS AT SIX FLAGS IS WHAT YOU WOULD THINK OF IT AS. WE ARE REQUESTING ASSISTANCE FROM THE CITY OF PLANO IN RESOLVE WHATTING WE SEE AS A CRITICAL EROSION ISSUE. WE ATTEMPTED TO PLAN FOR AND RESOLVE THIS ISSUE AS I COMMUNITY, BUT QUICKLY REALIZED IT WAS BIGGER THAN WE COULD PREPARE AND HANDLE ON OUR OWN. EVERY FOUR TO FIVE YEARS WE BRING OUTSIDE ENGINEERING FIRMS TO COME INTO OUR COMMUNITY. THEY DO RESERVE STUDIES FOR US. GIVE US AN IDEA WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY OVER THE NEXT 15 TO 20 YEARS. THEASTTUDY THAT WAS DONE IN 2018 IT WAS DETERMINED THAT WE WERE GOING TO NEED TO PUT ABOUT $25,000 INTO THIS GREEN BELT FREAK EROSION AREA TO HELP STABILIZE IT FOR OUR OWN HOMEOWNERS. ONE OF THE AREAS AND RAUL'S AREA, THAT WAS DEEMED MORE CRITICAL. THE LESS CRITICAL ISSUE IT WAS IDENTIFIED AS A PROPERTY THAT IT WAS LET ME GET THERE IN JUST A SECOND. WE TOOKHE STUDY SERIOUSLY, AND WEIGH MADE SURE OUR RESERVE ACCOUNTS HAD ENOUGH MONEY TO TAKE CARE OF THE PROBLEM. MIDDLE TO LATE 2021 WE HAD TWO SEPARATE EROSION ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT FORWARD TO THE CITY. THEY WERE BROUGHT TO THE HOA. ON BOTH OCCASIONS THE CITY SAID, HEY WE CAN'T HELP YOU HERE, AND THE HOA TOOK OVER BASED UPON THE CURRENT OPERATING PRACTICES. ONE OF THOSE INITIATIVES THAT THE POINT WE DID SEE THAT IT WAS A SIGNIFICANT ISSU WENT AND GOT TO AN OUTSIDE FIRM, AND THE ONE BID THAT WE GOT WAS $193,000 TO TAKE CARE OF ONE SITUATION. ON TOP OF THAT IT COST US $3,600 TO HAVE THAT OUTSIDE FIRM GIVE US THE QUOTE TO DO THAT WORK. WITH THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO HELP US OUT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. IT'S JUST WE'RE OVER OUR HEADS AT THIS POINT, AS YOU'RE HEARING FROM A LOT OF THE SPEAKERS. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. (APPLAUSE). >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS MATTHEW KINGSLY AND HE WILL BE JOINING US VIA ZOOM. >> IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, IF YOU CAN TURN ON YOUR CAMERA AND UNMUTE YOURSELF? THERE WE GO. CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? >> YES, GO AHEAD. >> ALL RIGHT. IN JUNE OF 2019 A TREE ON THE HOA SIDE OF THE PROPERTY OF -- SORRY. LET ME TURN DOWN MY VOLUME. IN JUNE OF 12019 -- GIVE ME ONE SECOND. IN JUNE OF 2019 THERE WAS A TREE, AND THE HOA PART OF OUR CREEK THAT FELL ON TO MY HOME. THIS IS WHEN I BECAME AWARE AND SEVERAL MEMBERS OF OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF OUR HOA BECAME AWARE OF THIS BEING AN HOA RESPONSIBILITY. THIS TREE CREATED SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE TO OUR PROPERTY, AND PRESENTED A SITUATION WHERE MY FAMILY COULD HAVE BEEN SERUSLY INJURED. THEY WERE WATCHING THE STORM, AND WHAT LOOKED VERY MUCH LIKE WHITE WATER RAPIDS FLOWING THROUGH OUR CREEK THROUGH A WINDOW AT THE TIME. THE TREE FELL AGAINST THAT WINDOW, AND LIMBS BROKE AGAINST THAT WINDOW. THEY WERE NOT HARMED, BUT IT COULD HAVE BEEN VERY DIFFERENT FOR THEM AND COULD BE A DIFFERENT STORY, AND I HOPE TO PREVENT THAT BY TELLING THIS STORY TODAY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAD HOPED TO PRESENT, BUT I CANNOT SHARE MY SCREEN, IS A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL WALL THAT WAS BUILT 30 YEARS AGO ON OUR STREAM BANK. THIS IS A MASSIVE, YOU KNOW, WALL THAT IS MUCH LIKE THE ONES THAT YOU HAVE SEEN CREATED BY THE CITY OF PLANO AS A CITY INFRASTRUCTURE. THIS SITS ON THE HOA SIDE OF OUR STREAMBANK, AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT AN HOA IS ABLE TO MAINTAIN. IT NEEDS MAINTENANCE, AND IT'S IN NEED OF REPAIR, AND IN SOME PLACES IT'S SLOPED AND IN SOME PLACES IT'S DETERIORATED QUITE SUBSTANTIALLY. IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THIS CREEK BANK, YOU COULD STEP ACROSS IT. -- IS SO CALM, BUT WHEN IT RAINS >> 15 SECONDS. >> WE HAVE WHAT MUST BE MILLIONS OF GALLONS RUSHING AT 50 MILES PER HOUR THROUGH THIS BANK, AND MANY AREAS UNPROTECTED OR IN SIGNIFICANT NEED OF REPAIR. ONE OF THE ADDITIONAL THINGS LEARNED IN THIS EVENT IS THAT -- MR. KINGSLY, YOUR TIME IS UP. IF YOU COULD PLEASE WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS. >> FLOOD INSURANCE WILL NOT COVER EROSION. THE HOMEOWNERS OF OUR 130 PEOPLE HOA -- >> NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. THANK YOU. >> M.A. CLOCK. HI. I'M MARY AGNES CLOCK. LIVE IN WEST PLANO IN THE HILLS OF INDIAN CREEK. I'M A FORMER HOA PRESIDENT. THE GENTLEMAN THAT WAS JUST SPEAKING TO YOU LIVES NEXT DOOR TO ME. HIS NAME MATTHEW KINGSLY. WE'RE THE HILLS OF INDIAN CREEK. WE WERE ESTABLISHED MANY DECADES AGO. ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD LIKE IS THAT BRENT HAS DONE A TENTIO- SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF RESEARCH IN THE LAST YEAR SENSE WE WERE RE-ELECTED. SORRY. I'M A FORMER PRESIDENT, SO I WAS ELECTED AGAIN. BUT THIS CURRENT BOARD WAS ELECTED MARCH OF LAST YEAR. SINCE THAT TIME BRIT HAS GONE THROUGH A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WORK TO RESEARCH OUR CREEK SITUATION. YOU HAVE A NINE-PAGE DOCUMENT THAT I APPROVED -- I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY HOURS. IF YOU'LL TAKE THE TIME TO READ IT, IT'S ENLIGHTENING EDUCATION. NOT JUST FOR YOU ALL, BUT FOR OUR 122 HOA MEMBERS. THERE ARE TWO TYPOS, AND IF YOU CATCH THEM, YOU'RE GOING TO BE REALLY GOOD. pI'LL KNOW IF YOU HR NOT. I APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU ALL DO. I'VE BEEN IN CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS SINCE 2001. I'M A RESIDENT SINCE JUNE OF '99. 23 YEARSHIS YEAR. IT'S XWEBL WHAT YOU ALL DO WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS. AMAZING. I HAVE FORGOTTEN, AND I NEED TO START ATTENDING MORE OF THEM. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING. >> THANK YOU. I GUARANTEE COUNCILMEMBER GRADY WILL FIND BOTH TYPOS. (LAUGHING). >> HE IS AN EXPERT TYPO FINDER. >> I AM TOO, SO YOU LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU FIND. THERE ARE TWO. TWO. I TRIED TO KILL MYSELF AFTER I FOUND THEM. I LOOKED AT IT SO MANY TIMES I WENT BLIND. >> IT'S A CHALLENGE NOW. I'M SURE HE WILL BE EMAILING YOU WHEN HE FINDS THEM. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. (APPLAUSE). THE LAST SPEAKER IS AMIR NASSAR. >> HELLO. THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO LISTEN TO OUR CONCERNS. WE RESIDE AT 7724 ROSELYN DRIVE, PLANO. OUR HOUSE IS SUFFERING FROM A SEVERE EROSION PROBLEM DUE TO THE RUSSELL CREEK THAT'S IN OUR BACK YARD. THE PROBLEM IS VERY CRITICAL TO THE POINT WHERE OUR FOUNDATION IS AT HIGH RISK. THE EROSION IS HAPPENING ABOUT TWO TO THREE METERS AWAY FROM OUR HOUSE. WE REACHED OUT TO THE CITY OF PLANO AND THE HOA OFFICES, AND NEITHER WERE ABLE TO HELP US. THE CITY OF PLANO, WE ARE REPRESENTING THIS TO YOU GUYS SO YOU CAN TAKE DECISIVE DECISIONS, AND I WOULD LIKE TO BRING A FEW BULLET POINTS THAT WOULD HELP YOU MAKE A DECISION.pTHE FIRST OUR NEIGHBOR WHO IS ADJACENT TO OUR HOUSE HAD HIS RETAINING WALL DONE BY THE CITY OF PLANO A FEW YEARS BACK. A COUPLE OF HOUSES DOWN THE ROTE FROM US ON THE SAME ROSELYN DRIVE ALSO HAD THE RETAINING WALL DONE BY THE CITY OF PLANO. THESE RETAINING WALD WERE ABOUT 30240 MEETINGS E METERS AWAY FROM HOUR HOUSE FOUNDATION. OUR HOUSE FOUNDATION IS ABOUT TWO TO THREE METERS AWAY FROM THE EROSION. DURING THE RAIN SEASON, WHICH IS RIGHT NOW, THE RUSSELL CREEK FLOODS IN A WAY THAT IT HITS THAT EROSION POINT AND MAKES IT EXCESSIVE, SO THE EROSION IS HAPPENING AT AN EXCESSIVE SPEED AS WE SPEAK. I THINK OUR FOUNDATION IS PROBABLY GOING TO LAST TWO TO THREE YEARS IF IT KEEPS EROSE E ROADING AT THIS SPEED. I'M NO EXPERT, BUT THIS IS JUST WHAT PEOPLE TOLD ME. THE CONTRACTORS THAT I BROUGHT INTO MY HOUSE TO GIVE ME ESTIMATES. UNFORTUNATELY, WE CANNOT AFFORD TO BUILD A COMMERCIAL RETAINING WALL FOR A PUBLIC UTILITY. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. THANK U. >> THANK YOU VY MU. (APPLAUSE). >> IS THAT ALL? COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CALEB? ALL RIGHT, COUNCILMEMBER. >> I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. FIRST OF ALL, LET'S FIRST ADDRESS THE VERY LAST COMMENT THAT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE IS AN APPEARANCE THAT SOME STREAMBA STABILIZATION PROJECT IS BEING SHOULDERED AND RESPONSIBLE BY THE CITY OF PLANO IN SOME TOLD THAT THEIR HOA NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR. I NOTWANT YOU TO CLARIFY THAT FIRST, AND THEN I'LL HAVE A FEW OTHER QUESTIONS. >> OKAY. IN THAT SITUATION I BELIEVE THAT PICTURE IS FROM THE INDIVIDUAL OWNER. EXAMPLE THAT I SHOWED YOU IN THE PRESENTATION. >> YES. >> THE PLAT LANGUAGE FOR THAT DIVIDUAL PROPERT OWNER INDICATES THAT THE INDIVIDUAL OWNER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE. NOW, IN 2000, 2001, SOMEWHERE IN THAT TIME THE CITY DID DO A PROJECT IN THAT AREA, AND FOR WHAT REASONS WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT PROJECT WAS DONE TO A POINT BEFORE MR. NASSAR MOVED IN THERE. THE PREVIOUS OWNER SAID THEY DID NOT WANT THE WALL ON THEIR PROPERTY. I THINK A PORTION OF IT EXTENDS INTO THE PROPERT. I BELIEVE IT WAS 15 FEET OR SO, BUT THEY SAID THAT'S AS FAR AS YOU CAN GO. THAT HAPPENED IN 2001 OR 2002. >> I DON'T THINK THAT ANSWERED MY QUESTION. MY QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE DETERMINATION AS TO WHAT PART OF THE STABILIZING PROJECT WILL BE RESPONSIBLE BY PLANO, AND WHAT PART OF IT IS HOA RESPONSIBLE, INDIVIDUALLY RESPONSIBLE? I THINK THAT -- I THINK THAT'S THE PART THAT GOT ME CONFUSED BECAUSE IF ALL THE STREAMS ARE SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE BY ALL THE DIFFERENT HOA OR INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTS, THEN THAT -- I MEAN, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME THAT WE NOW COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD -- THE CITY OF PLANO COULD ASSIST OR SBSIDYIZE? IF THERE ARE CERTAIN PARTS THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE BY CITY AND CERTAIN PARTS ARE NOT, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT IS DISTINGUISHED R HOW THAT WAS DIFFERENTIATED. >> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, THAT'S PART OF THE CHALLENGE OF OUR CURRENT PROGRAM. WE GO BY WHAT'S ON THE PLAT. THE PT SAYS IRTS THE HOA, IT'S THE HOA. IF THE PLAT SAYS IT'S THE RESIDENT, IT'S THE RESIDENT, AND IF THE PLAT IS SILENT OR SAYS THE CITY, WE'RE SAYING IT'S THE CITY. RIGHT NOW WHAT WE HAVE IS WE HAVE SOME SCENARIOS AS CALEB SHOWED WITH THE MAP THAT KEPT DISAPPEARING RAPIDLY EVERY TIME HE GOT NEAR THE SCREEN, THAT HALF THE STREAM WAS ONE WAY AND HALF THE STREAM WAS THE OTHER. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE SEEING. WE HAVE SOME THAT ARE COMMERCIAL IN RESIDENTIAL. SOME THAT HAVE HOA VERSUS CITY WE HAVE A NUMBER, AND I NOT CONSISTENT. RIGHT NOW WHAT WE RELY FOR OUR PROGRAM IS THE PLAT, AND I GUESS THE QUESTION AT HAND IS DOES COUNCIL WANT US TO BRING BACK OPTIONS THAT WOULD INDICATE A CHANGE IN OUR CURRENT APPROACH FOR THAT POLICY? >> I THINK ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WOULD BE WHAT PART OF -- THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? WHAT PART OF THE PLAT -- THE PLATS ARE WOULD NEED FOR STABILIZATION. IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF CITY OF PLANO. WHAT PART IS NOT? IF WE GET SOMEWHAT OF A PERCENTAGE OF -- I UNDERSTAND THAT. WHAT I REALLY WANT TO KNOW IS WHAT PART OF IT REALLY NEEDS WORK. >> SO, CALEB, HAVE WE DONE A COMPLETE ASSESSMENT OF THE WATERWAYS? WE HAVE 138 MILES. DO WE HAVE A PERCENTAGE THAT I GUESS WE'VE CLARIFIED AS THE LOW MEDIUM MEDIUM HIGH? HAVE WE DONE THAT FM A COMPREHENSIVE PERSPECTIVE? >> WE HAVE NOT. IF YOU TAKE THAT DOWN TO THE 8.6 MILES, AND, AGAIN, IMAGING THE CRITERIA, THE SHEET THAT RUSSELL AND ALLISON WERE WORKING ON. APPROXIMATELY 8, 12, 16 HOURS PER PROPERTY IN DOING THAT FOR EIGHT MILES. WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT. WE'VE FOCUSED ON WHAT HAS BEEN OUR RESPONSIBILITY AND WHAT HASN'T. I THINK THIS IS WHERE YOU ARE ING. OUT OF THAT 8.6 MILES, NOT ALL 8.6 MILES WOULD REQUIRE A PROJECT, AND THAT'S MORE THAN LIKELY CORRECT. >> IN ADDITION, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH THIS IS GOING TO COST. OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE IN THE BUDGET SESSION, AND WE DEFINITELY WANT TO RESPOND TO SOMETHING THAT COULD BE A SAFETY ISSUE, BUT I DON'T WANT TO FAVOR ONE AREA OVER ANOTHER IF -- WE'RE ALL PLANO RESIDENTS, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO BE CONSIDERING IN BUDGET, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER AS A WHOLE IN THE BIG PICTURE RATHER THAN ONE SMALL PLAT AT A TIME. >> I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO FKTOR IN THE BUDGET TONIGHT. THERE HASN'T BEEN A POLICY DEVELOPED. I THINK WE NEED TO LET THEM KNOW IF WE WANT THEM TO GO DOWN THE ROAD OF DEVELOPING A POLICY, AND WHEN THEY BRING THAT BACK, THEY WILL LET US KNOW BUDGET IMPLICATIONS AT THAT TIME. IS THAT CORRECT? >> RIGHT. >> WE CAN COME UP WITH VARIOUS SCENARIOS, BUT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE GABIAN WALL PROJECT, AND I SEE MAYOR HAS HIS FINGER MOVING. I SEE YOU, MAYOR. CALEB, CAN YOU SHARE WITH US DO WE KNOW THE COST OF A GABIAN WALL FOR, SAY -- THERE YOU GO. >> I'M GOING THE WRONG WAY. I APOLOGIZE. >> INDEPENDENCE PARKWAY, THIS WAS A $1 MILLION PROJECT. IT'S NOT JUST THE LOCATION YOU SEE ON THE MAP. IT WAS -- WHAT WE WILL TYPICALLY DO IS GROUP A SET TOGETHER. IT WILL BE -- WE'LL GO OUT AND GET A COMPLAINT OR A CONCERN BROUGHT TO US FROM ONE CITIZEN, AND WE END UP LOOKING UPSTREAM AND DOWN STREAM. WHILE ONE PROPERTY MAY HAVE 75, IS00 FEET OF FOOTAGE, THE FINAL WALL MAY END UP BEING 400 FEET LONG SO IT'S GOING TO COVER MULTIPLE PROPERTIES. FROM AN ESTIMATE STANDPOINT, WE -- OUR ROUGH ESTIMATE IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN $200 AND $300 A SQUARE FOOT OF THE GABIAN WALL. OBVIOUSLY, THERE ARE MANY VARIABLES AS FAR AS THE HEIGHT, THE LENGTH THAT WOULD IMPACT THAT IMAGINE 100 FOOT -- A PROPERTY THAT HAS 100 FOOT OF FRONTAGE ON A CREEK OR PACKAGE. THAT THE WALL AVERAGES A 10 FOOT HIGH AND $300 A SQUARE FOOT. IT'S GOING TO BE AROUND A $300. I THINK MR. NASSAR MENTIONED IT WAS AROUND $200. OBVIOUSLY THERE'S MANY VARIABLES THAT IMPACT THAT. >> MAYOR, DID YOU WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT? >> THINK THE REAL QUESTION FOR TONIGHT IS TO ASK STAFF FOR FEEDBACK ON WHAT OPTIONS WE REALLY DO HAVE. I THINK THAT'S ALL WE'RE REALLY ASKING FOR OR JUST LEAVE IT ALONE. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHAT OPTIONS WE HAVE AVAILABLE THAT WOULD -- FOR THOSE THAT DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONABLE FLATS THAT GO BACK 40 AND 50 YEARS (PLATS). THOSE ARE ISSUES THAT WOULD FALL INTO THOSE CATEGORIES. OTHERS THAT WOULD HAVE OPTIONS TO IMPROVE THE AREA IN THE BACK. THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR ME TO KNOW AND WITHOUT THAT INFORMATION, I DON'T THINK I CAN MAKE A QUALIFIED DECISION. I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THOSE OPTIONS WOULD BE. >> COUNCILMEMBER HOLMER. >> I GROUP ON PITTMAN CREEK. WE MOVED IN '81, AND BACKED UP TO CARMEL, AND THERE WERE NO HOUSES NEXT TO US OR BEHIND US ON THE CREEK, AND I REMEMBER IN THE' 80s PUTTING UP THE GABIAN WALL. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WAS DETERMINED THAT IT WAS THE CITY OR WHATEVER, BUT I. I REALLY LIKED WHAT THE FIRST SPEAKER SAID ABOUT CREEKS AND PONDS AND OUR WATERWAYS BEING ESSENTIAL TO OUR ENTIRE CITY'S WASTE WATER MANAGEMENT AND FLOOD MANAGEMENT. THAT'S ONE THING I HADN'T REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT. I LOOKED AT IT, WELL, YOU HAVE THE LUXURY OF A POND IN THE BACKYARD, AND A CREEK, ND YOU ARE BENEFITTING FROM THE LANDSCAPE AND THE AMBIENCE AND ALL OF THAT. WE ALL AS CITIZENS BENEFIT FROM OUR FLOODWATER GOING SOMEWHERE AND GOING SOMEWHERE SAFELY. LOOKING AT IT FROM THAT STANDPOINT, I THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT ALL CITIZENS BENEFIT FROM I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE STAFF MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AND LOOK TO SEE WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING. I UNDERSTAND IT'S LEGAL FOR US TO GO IN AND SPEND TAX DOLLAR MONEY ON LAND THAT WE DO NOT OWN. WE WOULD NEED TO MAKE SOME -- THERE WOULD NEED TO BE SOME CHANGES MADE TO EASEMENTS OR SOMETHING TO ALLOW US PERMISSION TO DO THAT, BUT I SEE THAT AS KIND OF BEING PART OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE HERE IN PLANO THAT I KNOW IT'S IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US TO INVEST IN SO IT REMAINS IN GOOD SHAPE. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR STAFF TO PUT TOGETHER SOME PROPOSALS. >> I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TONIGHT, BUT I HEAR THAT YOU SUPPORT THE DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD. COUNCILMEMBER SMITH. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. CALEB, I'M ALL FOR GIVING YOU GUYS A DIRECTION TO LOOK AT OPTIONS. I THINK IF IT'S A QUESTION WE ERR ON THE SIDE OF OUR CITIZENS BECAUSE ESPECIALLY FROM PEOPLE WHO WEREN'T AWARE AND CERTAIN DTAILS DIDN'T HAPPEN, I MEAN, THAT'S NOT THEIR FAULT. WHEN YOU HAVE SPECIAL -- FOR ONE, I THINK THERE'S FOUR DIFFERENT HOAs THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THIS ONE AREA. THREE OF THEM ARE TAKING CARE OF -- OR MAINTAINED BY THE CITY, AND THE ORIGINAL ONE ISN'T. THAT'S REALLY NOT A FAIR THING BECAUSE WE ULTIMATELY THE CITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SAFETY AND INFRASTRUCTURE, AND I THINK ALL THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOUR IDEAS. YOU ARE OUR EXPERT. COME BACK TO US, AND THEN LET US MAKE SOME GOOD DECISIONS FROM THERE. SXWLOO I WILL SAY IN THAT SITUATION THE CITY OWNS FOR WHATEVER REASON THE CITY OWNS THAT SIDE. I'LL GO BACK TO THE EXAMPLE. IS THAT THE ONE WHERE IT'S ONE AND ONE. >> THAT IS. THE CITY OWNS THAT SIDE. THE REST OF THAT DEVELOPMENT AS IT WAS DEVELOPED IS ALL HOA-OWNED. THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE WHOLE AREA. WHEN WE COME BACK WITH DIFFERENT OPTIONS, IT WON'TING TAKING OVER THIS SMALL 20 OR SO ALONG THE CREEK OR THE 122. IT WILL LIKELY BE TAKING OVER A 0, 400, 500 COMMUNITY. WE WON'T BE ABLE TO PICK AND CHOOSE, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'LL PRESENT YOU WITH SOME OPTIONS, BUT THAT WILL BE SOMETHING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. >> IT'S GOING TO AFFECT OUR CITY I THINK FROM A WASTE WATER STANDPOINT AND WHATEVER LONG-TERM. >> WE DON'T PUT WASTE WATER. >> NOT WASTE WATER. >> SORRY. >> BEING AN ENGINEER ON THAT ONE. >> BEING ON AN HOA BOARD MYSELF, WE'VE DEALT WITH THAT. WE HAVE A CREEK THROUGH OURS, BUT I WOULD LAKE TO SEE SOME OPTIONS, AND, AGAIN, LET'S KEEP THE POINT OF OUR CITIZENS IN MIND AND REALLY COME UP WITH SOME THINGS WE CAN DO TO HELP THEM IF AT ALL POSSIBLE. COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS? >> THANK YOU. OUT OF ALL OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE EVALUATED AND RANKED, DO YOU KNOW ROUGHLY HOW MANY THAT NUMBER IS OF PROJECTS THAT QUALIFY UNDER OUR PROGRAM? I'M GOING TO LET ALLISON ANSWER THAT. DO YOU HAVE THAT NUMBER? >> WE HAVE RIGHT NOW ON OUR SITES THAT QUALIFY, WE HAVE 33. >> 33. OKAY. DO YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE ANY IDEA WERE EVALUATED BUT DO NOT QUALIFY, AND THE DOLLAR VALUES OF EACH. ROUGH DOLLAR VALUES. >> I CAN GET IT FOR YOU. EVERY PROPERTY WE EVALUATE STAYS ON THE LIST. THEY RATE OUT OF 100 SCALE, THEY RATED AT 17 THAT CAME OWED AND SAID THE TREE FELL OVER. CAN YOU LOOK AT IT. WE LOOK AT IT, AND THERE'S NO CONCERN. WE WILL LEAVE THEM ON THERE AS AN EVALUATION. WE HAVE MULTIPLE ENTRIES FOR THE SAGE PROJECT, SO WE COME BACK IN FIVE YEARS AND SAY, HEY, CAN YOU COME BACK OUT AND TAKE A LOOK. IT'S STARTING TO MOVE AGAIN. WHATEVER THE SITUATION MAY BE. WE CONSTANTLY HAVE THAT DATABASE THAT HAS THAT HISTORICAL INFORMATION IN THERE. >> DO YOU HAVE THAT? >> SINCE 2018 WE'VE EVALUATED 162 SITES. >> 33 OF THEM ARE ON THE LIST. >> DO YOU KNOW WHY? THERE ARE A LOT OF GREEN BELTS THAT ARE UNDER HOA MAINTENANCE, BUT SPECIFICALLY WHERE IT COMES TO STREAMS, DO YOU KNOW WHY A PLAT MIGHT SAY EVEN THE EROSION CONTROL IS ON AN HOA OR PROPERTY OWNER? >> SO OUR SUBDIVISION REQUIRES A GREEN BELT OR A CREEK OR A STREAM TO BE DEDICATED IN THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT, BUT IT ALSO HAS TO BE OWNED BY EITHER AN ENTITY, WHICH IS TYPICALLY AN HOA, OR THE CITY. SOME HOAs WILL KEEP OWNERSHIP SIMPLY TO KEEP THEIR OWN OWNERSHIP AND ITS FOR THEIR CITIZENS. ALLISON LIVERS IN A DIFFERENT CITY, BUT SHE HAS A CREEK BEHIND HER. THE CITY OWNS THAT CREEK, AND SO THERE'S PEOPLE THAT CAN GO BACK THERE. THAT MAY BE ONE OF THE REASONS, BUT IT HAS TO BE OWNED BY AN ETITY THAT HAS THE MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY. IT OCCURS TO ME THAT SOMETHING LIKE A STREAM IS SUBJECT TO EXTERNALITIES AND CHANGE OVER TIME THAT MOST OF THE REST OF OUR PROPERTIES AROUND. NOT LEAST OF WHICH AS WAS POINTED OUT OVER 30 OR 40 YEARS WORTH OF GROWTH, THE SHEER QUANTITY OF WATER COMING DOWN A STREAM WHEN IT STORMS COULD BE RADICALLY DIFFERENT NOW THAN BACK WHEN AN HOA SAID WE'LL TAKE IT, WHY NOT? >> LIKE EVERYTHING, CRITERIA CHANGES. THE CAPACITY WAS BASED ON THE CURRENT LAND USE IN THE LATE '70s, EARLY '80s. AS TIME HAS CHANGED, AND THE LAND USES HAVE CHANGED. WE HAVE SYSTEMS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, AND, OBVIOUSLY, OTHER CITIES HAVE THE SAME ISSUE WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY THEY WERE DESIGNEDORECAU THINGS HAVE CHANGED. THERE CAN BE DRAMATIC AND SUDDEN CHANGES LIKE WHEN I VISITED RAUL'S HOUSE, A TREE HAD FALLEN ACROSS THE CREEK, AND THAT TOOK WITH IT PROBABLY TWO OR THREE YARDS WORTH OF SOIL. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE POLICY OPTIONS. >> COUNCILMEMBER RICIADELLI. >> THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THIS INFORMATION CALEB. I WAS WONDERING, WITH THE EXAMPLE THAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW WHERE WE HAVE THE HOA ON THE WEST SIDE AND THE CITY ON THE EAST SE BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE HISTORICALLY HOW WAS THAT DECISION MADE? JUST THE 4-1 RATIO IN THE 1981 ORDINANCE, OR WAS IT MORE AD HOC IN EACH OF THE PLATS WHEN THE PLATS WERE BEING DRAFTED, WAS IT JUST NEGOTIATIONS WITH EACH INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPMENT EVERY DEVELOPER OR HOW WERE THOSE DECISIONS MADE? >> I CAN TELL YOU WHAT'S BASED ON OUR CURRENT CRITERIA, AND THAT GOES BACK TO THE REQUIREMENT FOR AN ENTITY TO OWN IT. A DEVELOPER WILLAKEHAT DECISION WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO ESTABLISH AN HOA. TALKING WITH CHRISTINA DAY THE PLANNING DIRECTOR, IF IT HAS A IX MANIED RETAIL, SO I'LL USE THE HERITAGE CREEK SIDE. THEY MAY USE THAT TO CHANNEL AS AN OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT. TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT. THE DEVELOPMENT JUST SOUTH HAS THAT MIXED USE. THEY USE THAT TO MEET THAT CRITERIA. WHY THIS ONE WAS DONE THIS WAY, MR. MP, WE'VE TALKED SEVERAL TIMES. HE HAS BEEN NOTHING BUT PROFESSIONAL, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A MASTER PLAN HOA. UNFORTUNATELY, IT WAS IN THE '80s. THINGS CHANGED. IT GOT SOLD OFF. THE REST OF THIS AREA -- THIS IS WHAT I LOOKED AT THIS MORNING -- OR THIS AFTERNOON. THE ENTIRE -- EVERY OTHER AREA ALONG A CREEK IS OWNED BY OR OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY AN HOA EXCEPT FOR THAT RED PIECE. WHY IT WAS DONE IN' 89, '91, WHATEVER IT WAS FOR THAT PHASE, I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT. >> WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION CALEB. MYOMMES ON THIS, I ALSO SUPPORT LOOKING AT OPTIONS. I THINK IT'S GOOD TO KNOW WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE. OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT SOME WORK IN AND HAVE A MORE FOCUSED DISCUSSION ABOUT THE DETAILS BUT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO KNOW WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE, AND I THINK AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE OPTIONS, SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK AT IS THE ISSUE OF OWNERSHIP OF THE IMPROVEMENTED. I WOULD BE MORE PERSONALLY COMFORTABLE IF THE CITY OWNS THE IMPROVEMENTS BOTH KIND OF LOOKING AT THEM AS INFRASTRUCTURE LIKE COUNCILMEMBER HOLMER WAS MENTIONED. IF THE CITY IS GOING T BLD INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT'S A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT. I THINK IT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR THE CITY TO OWN THAT. ALSO, THERE ARE ACCESS ISSUES LIKE WE HEARD ABOUT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER BACK IN 2001 OR 2002 SAYING, NO, I'M -- I DON'T WANT THIS ON MY PROPERTY. NOW, OF COURSE, WE'RE SEEING THE CONSEQUENCES OF THAT THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER IF THAT STREAMBANK STABILIZATION HAD OCCURRED AT THAT POINT. THAT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK AT IN THE CRITERIA FOR THIS. >> JUST TO CLARIFY ON THAT, NEARLY ALL OF THESE WE HAVE A DRAINAGE EASEMENT. THEY CAN'T PUT A DAM OR A BRIDGE. WHATEVER THE SITUATION MUST BE -- OR WOULD BE. FOR A CHANNEL LIKE THAT WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE IT. FLOOD STUDY MIGHT CHANGE THE EXISTING CONFIGURATION OF IT SLIGHTLY. WE DON'T ALLOW THEM TO CHANGE IT TOOMP. THE MOST EXTREME CASE WOULD BE SPRING CREEK AND THE COLLIN CREEK CULVERT. WE HAVE NEVER DONE THAT AGAIN. THE STRUCTURES, THE GABIANS, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE NAILS THAT GO IN UNDERNEATH INTO THE EARTH, AND THEY END UP ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. WE HAVE TO EXPAND THAT EASEMENT TO INSTALL THESE. THAT WAS THE REASON THAT WE REQUESTED IT AT THAT TIME. THEY SAID YOU CAN GO TO THIS POINT. NO MORE. IT WOULD BE GOOD TO LOOK AT. THANK YO FOR THAT INFORMATION. >> FINAL COMMENT, COUNCILMEMBER. >> IT'S NOT A COMMENT. IT'S A QUESTION. THE ONLY LADY THAT'S SITTING OVER THERE. ABOUT THE 35 PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY BELIEVED THAT NEEDS ADDITIONAL STABILIZATION AND WORK. ARE THEY ALL CITY OF PLANO PROJECTS OR PRIVATE PROJECTS? >> SOME HAD -- I'M NOT SURE, BUT MOST OF THEM ARE PRIVATE PROPERTY WITH THE CITY DRAINAGE EASEMENT THAT DOESN'T ALLOCATE THE MAINTENANCE TO AN HOA OR INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER. THE CITY TAKES RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE MAINTENANCE. >> THAT'S THE -- 35 IS REALLY JUST WHAT PLANO CURRENTLY HAVE ON THEIR BOOKS. OKAY. WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH ALL THE PRIVATE ONES, RIGHT? YES, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. I LIKE TO SEE IT IN WHOLE, A BIG PICTUR I DON'T WANT ONE INDIVIDUAL PROJECT AT A TIME. THAT'S MY OPINION. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE YOUR DIRECTION TO BRING BACK SOME SUGGESTIONS FOR US. THANK YOU. WITH NO FURTHER BUSINESS, WE WILL ADJOURN OUR MEETING. (MEETING