foreign all right I'm going to call the order the town of Gilbert Planning Commission study session uh first items Dr 2337 Aldi multi-family Keith please chair Anderson members of the commission good evening my first Project tonight on the study session is is as was stated all the multifam multi-family project the um this project is located kind of South and South at the south east corner of Desert Lane and and Country Club Drive or I guess Arizona Avenue um and it's part of a larger it's we're establishing a master site plan on this site the larger Master site plan is about 10 acres and the site is located in highlighted in red towards the back which it this the specific requests tonight or obviously this is a study session but the design review case in question is about um for about 4.91 acres in size of a larger 10 acre master plan and you can see the future Aldi site that will come in later for a design review case on the front half of the property right along Arizona Avenue so the requested input tonight is just just General com General comments on the design of the sites and the in the building and also construction documents at risk which the applicant wishes to move forward with so um I would like your input on those two items as far as the site plan is concerned um the site this portion of the site the back half is zoned multi-family High it's like I stated before it's 4.91 acres in size on that greater 10 acre Master site plan that we're trying to get established through with this case the building is four stories and contains 257 units the building fills up a majority of the site as you can see you have some parking as far as 489 parking spaces 482 of those which are in a parking garage that's kind of in the middle it's wrapped with units around it and the residents access the parking garage um from the east side of the building on a common driveway and then they actually access their units from the parking garage there's only seven surface parking spaces and they're at the North West corner of the site and those are accessed off of a shared drive that will be shared with Aldi and those spaces are are mainly for the leasing office for prospective tenants to be able to go into the leasing office the site the as far as the density of the project with this 257 units it's a 50 dwelling unit per acre project so which definitely is a high density multi-family project there's two access points I know I already stated one of them the shared one off of Desert Lane at the at the Eastern Northeastern or Northwestern excuse me portion of the project there's a secondary access where all the residents will be entering to go to the parking garage at that north east corner of the site and please note that there's a fire lane that wraps around the building which we'll talk about that show it to you in a little more detail in a minute um it's a fire lane that will be gated to at both ends at the North uh East End and the and kind of the Southwest end of it and that fire lane will be surfaced with the material that we call it's called grass Crete so it's a landscape type material and they're actually using that area to comply with their open space requirements which we've allowed them to do since it's more of a landscape looking type of surface but that will be obviously used infrequently I'll show you that in more detail in a second you can see in that southwest corner that there is an entrance or an access point where the gate is that will eventually lead out to the Aldi multi-family site and the dry vial will circulate out to Desert Lane and and once all the constructs in the future that fire lane will also go out to to Arizona Avenue so those some of those items will be constructed when Aldi comes in as far as the Landscaping is concerned obviously the site has a lot of drought tolerant landscape materials that are all code compliant you have your buffers around the at the East side a 10-foot buffer on the east side and South boundaries of the property and then the the courtyard that's on the west side it's kind of a public Plaza that's a pretty wide area it's about four about 50 feet wide 60 feet wide or so and that is kind of a common boundary with all these so it's not required to have a landscape set back since it's a common boundary but they are providing plenty of landscaping with the public Plaza with shade and lots of trees really close together there's some hammocks and some little small amenities in there where people can can go and hang out and and take advantage of a really nice landscaped area there's about 41.8 percent Landscaping on the site including that fire lane to the South and I'll show you that in just a second more detail there's a central here's some amenities there's a main the main amenity areas in the middle of the building as you you saw on that well kind of at the north end of it but surrounded by units um it has a pool and a spawn some Cabanas and fire pits barbecue areas things like that bocce ball courts typical amenities that you see in an apartment complex a second amenity area is oops that's not the main amended area wrong heading there I apologize that's the Plaza on the west side of the building that has um some Ramada uh some small gathering places um in a little Plaza and some hammocks and so forth and the people people can gather and and take advantage of the shade of the trees and so forth it's um so that's on the west side of the building and then the South amenity which is the fire lane so I've already talked about the Grass Creek Fire Lane you'll notice on this planet there's two pickleball courts that are located in the viral Lane those pickleball courts will be we're kind of still reviewing them and still working with the fire department to get their final blessing and approval on those pickleball courts but just for general information those pickleball courts will be an artificial turf surface which is kind of still a landscape type material that we have determined and it will have a little bit of G DG surrounding them which is also a material it's just a little bit of DG so it's also a material that is considered more on on the Landscaping side of things to still be able to count towards that open space requirement and the Nets that will be used for pickleball will be removable Nets and they will be stored in a little storage shed type building that's gonna to the north of the courts right next to the main walls of the building so just wanted to provide you that information so we're still working with the applicant on like I said earlier to get approval from the fire department on that I think they're generally acceptable to it but we're still working on the details as far as the building elevations are concerned the buildings are four stories or the building sorry the one large building is enforced it's a four-story building and it it's the wraparound product with that parking garage in the center and the materials there's there's varying materials of course that they have some stucco they have um kind of like a wood type paneling and various types of of CMU block like cut face type block ground face block and so forth and they have a little um so I think it's hard to see in this plan but I think it's in that North elevation you can kind of see a little bit of kind of a unique design all oh it doesn't show it on this perspective but it's it's kind of a cool little little bit of metal type um a unique articulation there near the main entrance so if I showed you the renderings you'll kind of be able to see the building in a little bit different light and you can see that main entrance which is the top built the top rendering that shows there's a lot of glass the building is basically mainly a flat roof building with some varying Heights of the parapet walls so a very modern type of design and staff has reviewed this and and and is is acceptable this design we like the design it's a pretty good design we feel colors and materials like I said a lot of ground face block um I talked about the materials but they're kind of Grays and whites colors which which is kind of a more modern type theming that they're trying that they're going after on this site with these with this building um so that actually in the side plans at the end just in case you have questions um that actually includes my presentation so as I stated earlier our input tonight would be if you have any comments or or feedback on the design of the site in the building and also whether or not you'd be okay with the applicant to proceed forward with with CDs at risk so that's all I have for you tonight the brief overview of the project and if you have any questions for me um I would love to answer them or try to answer them thank you thank you Keith for the presentation is there any questions or comments for Keith right now go ahead um so we I'm the pickleball court and the fire lane thing I think it's a cool creative solution to a problem but I just want to make sure it's going to be done right and it and I know that fire is reviewing it but what if the Nets get left up and then those polls that are holding up the Nets is that enough room for the fire trucks to like safely drive through chair Anderson commissioner Gage um we we don't have all that information yet so that is something that we're we'll we will definitely try and get that information from the app unless they're here tonight and you would allow them to address the question I don't know if Elise is here I don't know if she knows that and if you'll let her answer the question if she knows but if not then we can get that information and and get back with you on that and provide that information at the public hearing okay thank you I have a couple more if everyone's okay um where do people walk their dogs there's not like a dog park area and this area surrounding is not I guess super dog walking friendly um chair Anderson commissioner Gage you're correct there is no dog park um I so that's a very good question I I don't know where people would would be walking their dogs um maybe and I don't think they're going to have access to the fire lane unless they're playing pickleball um so maybe in that Plaza to the West they could walk dogs or obviously they may be out along the sidewalk along Desert Lane but but other than that there really isn't a place to be able to walk a dog I guess that's an amenity they chose not to provide yeah and I know they're not required to but it seems like a a lot of people have dogs sure and this will eventually be a problem for the residents um okay is there anything that stops people that are going to be shopping at Aldi's to walk over and relax in the hammocks chair Anderson commissioner Gage um no okay there is not there no wall is required in between the Aldi and the multi-family site that was due to the fact that we want the site those two sites since their Master site plan to be integrated together horizontally so yeah someone shopping at Aldi could easily go over there and hang out and chill on a hammock or do whatever they want over there okay um I guess that's that's really it I'm still wrapping my mind around the pickleball courts and the fire lane and allowing that whole area to be considered open space um but I think there's probably a way to get to that solution so thank you thank you thank you anyone else commissioner Davis thank you chair um Keith my questions relate more to the elevations um the elevation show on the north side of the building there's that like long narrow area it doesn't really show on the renderings but it's that applied vinyl graphic material that's applied to that I guess one of my concerns is I how durable that is in our heat I don't know how often it's been used so I guess that's a question I have have you gotten any information on that um chair Anderson I'm commissioner Davis I have not received much information on that um I I don't know the answer to that question but it's something that I can ask the applicant I just be curious if they've used it right successfully with but you know how often does that have to be sure to taken off and reapplied you know that kind of thing sure it seems like it's also kind of the pop for the building um creates a little more interest but it's in kind of a hidden spot which from the Sun hitting it it's good in the location that it is but um that corner piece with the you know element where it's got the Alta Gilbert on it I like that piece but it feels like it needs I don't know it it breaks the rhythm of the white gray white gray if you look at the bottom rendering that white piece on the corner pops a whole lot more than what it does on that entrance it almost feels like that piece wants to be white or something brighter whether they add in some color or they switch that to White if they could take a look at that and see how that looks I think that could help a lot I also worry about how those windows are going to get baked from the Sun there's no not much sun protection but it does look like there's a lot of trees I just worry about those top Windows you're getting those apartments you're just gonna get Sun beaten in which is part of what we deal with here but just something for them to consider with their window choices and such so that's all I had I'm supportive of the CDs at risk if they could look at those few things okay thank you thank you anyone else okay um just to piggyback on commissioner Davis's that last comment it looks like the clubhouse is on the North northwest corner of the building so I I do appreciate the concern on that but I think they should be okay with the glass it mainly just be late afternoon this summer but I think they'd be okay with that yeah um question I have for you Keith is on the fire lane how do the gates operate are they crash Gates if fire truck needs to get back there do they get out is there a block box they get to a key unlock it and then drive through I'm chair Anderson very good question um I believe they are Gates that will have a nox lock on them okay and that the fire department will be able to open uh in in the event of emergency so okay other than that I think it's a pretty cool looking project um in terms of the CDs that Rose come it's their risk to take if they feel comfortable with the comments that we're getting that they got from us tonight and the comments that they're getting from you if they can easily address them then it's it's their rest to submit CDs okay other than that I think everything looks looks great on our end is did you get everything that you need from us yes I believe I did thank you very much all right thank you Keith thank you we'll move along to dr2285 Panda Express Keith sorry about that I didn't realize that I didn't have a break in between but that's okay no worries thank you um so my next project as as chair Anderson stated is Panda Express the site is located at the North West corner of I know this map doesn't have the labels of the streets but of Val Vista and Melrose Street just north of the large project that we just approved that you approved several several months at the beginning of the year or maybe end of last year the Gilmore project so it's just north of that project and south of the quick trip um so my input is similar to the input on the previous project just general input on the design and and the of the site and the building and they would also like to proceed forward with CDs at risk this project we've done two reviews on so far so um they're about ready to submit for a third review so they they would they would like to proceed with CDs at risk in the near future so so as far as the site plan is concerned um there's two there's right now there's going to be one main access point and and we're working with the applicant to at one of our review comments is that the the driveway it and this is a site that's also a master site plan it's part of a larger Master site plan that's a little over two acres the site itself is a little over one acre but we're working with the the site to the north which is is in process for Dr review right now that you'll see come before you in the near future as a like an Express Lube oil shop but we're working with the applicant of Panda Express when they come in to construct that drive that's on the west side of the site all the way out to the North Boundary which is kind of a shared drive with quick trip so we're working with them to try and make sure that happens in phase one so that there's two points of access to the site so that's kind of an ongoing thing the cytosone regional Regional commercial the building is one story it's about 2600 square feet and you can see the where the the building is located there in the site and then the parking a majority of the parking is located to the north of the building and a few spaces to the West um I do have a double double drive through Lane um so as part of this master site plan we're we're also requiring and I'll go to the landscape plan in Phase One we're requiring them to install all of the Landscaping along the perimeter of the project so that would include all Street frontages and along the west boundary and along the North Boundary oops wrong direction I apologize and along the North Boundary that where that shared driveway is with quick trip um so the landscaping and majority of it like I said will be in those Street frontages and you have some of course the Landscaping in the parking lot and then on that West boundary you'll notice there is in that southwest corner there is a large clump of trees and a retention some retention tanks Underground staff has expressed to the applicant and made a comment that we're not going to support all the retention tanks in that corner which would not allow trees to be planted in a uniform Manner and it would not provide the level of screening that is necessary or required along that boundary which it's adjacent to a residential development so they're going to have to relocate their retention somewhere else on the site those tanks perhaps underneath the parking lot or the drive aisle to the north of the building so there's 48.5 percent Landscaping on the site um in all the plant and tree materials comply with drought tolerant type requirements as far as the elevations are concerned um the building itself is approximately 17 feet tall one story building as I stated earlier 2 600 square feet um it's a it's kind of a cool looking design in our minds it's we've got this I don't know what that concave type roof is if that's what it's called or not but it's and these are the the west and the East elevations a lot of of course stucco and some some darker Stone and some wood type materials it looks like there's even a little bit of metal paneling but this is the elevation here that faces the North Faces the main parking lot where the main entrances the staff is the um really um appreciated that they designed it this way as it is it does look more stylistic as far as um more of an Asian type style design for a Panda Express Restaurant which is kind of unique I don't think I've ever seen one like this before so staff is supportive of the design of the building um and here's the renderings that I can show you that kind of provide a little more perspective on it and and of course the like I said the materials and I've already talked about materials the colors are all different tones of Gray and then there's the site plan again right as I always put it there so just in case you have questions at the end I can go to it really quickly so but that concludes the presentation uh uh not a two two not I can't speak tonight not not a very complex project but we would still like your input on the design of the site and the building and whether or not you'd be supportive of construction documents at risk so that's all I have for you thank you all right thank you Keith any questions or comments commissioner engage thank you chair Bill did you want to go first we just have a quick question on the drainage abilities of that concave roof does it drain inwards and then there's a like a spout off their side for the whole roof or it seems like it might kind of hold water and then maybe spill it out over the people as they're walking out um chair Anderson commissioner Gage very good question so I did take a look at the elevations and um the elevation see if I can see it it's hard to see on this elevation but if you look at the South elevation there are I know it's very hard to see I apologize it's very small on the kind of on the bottom towards the middle left a little bit there are some some some drainage pipes the pipes will be inside interior in the wall and you can see the kind of the outflow down there in the bottom where the stone is at the very bottom near the foundation and it looks like there's a parapet wall That's that's kind of above that concave roof um so I'm assuming all the drainage will come out be the roof will be sloped so that all the drainage comes out those pipes on that south side of the elevation of the building that's what I'm hoping will happen instead of people getting dumped on when they try to enter the main entrance of the building but we can get more information on that from the architect and then provide that at the public hearing so we know exactly how that's going to happen but that's what I'm assuming will happen makes sense thank you I think it looks cool um definitely something different but I like it so okay thank you thank you anyone else commission faith Keith the um the drive-through the double drive through I I was trying to Envision how this was going to back up because it's a pretty minimal holding area up from the ordering point back and while I get this is not a Dutch Bros it is next to a high school so I'm envisioning that at least the inner one will probably back up into the parking lot but the outer one and maybe both of them I'm not really sure will back up around the corner I think and back towards the road is that that seems to me like a potential I I don't really care how much it messes up their parking lot but I do if it backs up out onto the road and it looks like that's one of your your weak points maybe I mean maybe the if you can if you count that whole Drive aisle to the east to the West maybe that's enough um but in terms of input that I I would I'm a little concerned about that choke point uh traffic wise does that make sense yeah makes sense that's it okay all right thank you anyone else um uh my only comment is I think it's a cool looking building uh especially for uh Panda Express I mean it does have like kind of a cool Asian theme to it um other than that I didn't have any other questions you have everything you need from us Keith I believe so except for the CDs at risk or would you uh same common as the last same case okay other than that I think I have everything I need thank you sir thank you okay we will move along to z23-07 LDC text Amendment Ashley thank you chairman and commission this is a text Amendment tonight we're doing an initiation and opening it up to the public in case there's anybody that wants to provide input initially it's z2307 and it's related to vacation and short-term rentals so what we're seeking tonight is for the commission to give us the ability to initiate this text Amendment we're looking at amending Section 3 of the zoning ordinance the base District regulations as well as section 5.0 the additional use in site regulations after that initiation we can open it up for citizen review if there is anybody here that wants to participate and what we're seeking to do is to remove the additional regulations related to vacation and short-term rentals from the Land Development code and just refer simply to the municipal code uh we're always looking at ways to improve our code we're evaluating State Statute new legislation and how that impacts our code and so that's really the impetus behind this modification in 2022 the legislature passed Senate Bill 1168 which uh allowed the cities and towns to establish licensing requirements for these types of facilities and then in June of 2023 Town Council added regulations related to business licenses in the municipal code and so there is now redundancy in the municipal code in the Land Development code so in an effort to reduce that redundancy we would like to just reference municipal code in the Land Development code um so what we would be looking at doing is not removing vacation or short-term rentals from our land use table but keeping it in there so that folks know where that use would be permitted but then adding a note referring them to municipal code for the additional regulations and then again we would be suggesting that we remove the registration requirement from the Land Development code again referring them to the municipal code where it outlines these very similar procedures to this and requiring a business license we did determine that the municipal code is a more appropriate location for this just because some cross-departmental impacts of the ability to have those additional regulations it doesn't make sense for it to live in the Land Development code so as I mentioned this will reduce redundancy in our regulations and it allows short-term rentals to be addressed in a singular place which makes it more friendly for our customers so tonight I just seek your input and hopefully the commission wants to initiate this text Amendment and then we can seek input from the public all right thank you any questions for Ashley Commissioner of faith and not so much a question as far as I get to I was ready for this one to be the the weight of tonight but as far as I can tell this is absolutely minimalist we're really just taking out from the Land Development code what's already been adopted elsewhere so we don't have redundancy correct this almost I mean this is as minimal of a change as we can possibly get this is almost an administrative change as far as I'm concerned in fact I almost think that the council action alone should by implication cancel this so I think there's almost no substance here anyone else nope I don't have any further comments so you just need us to tell you guys to conduct a citizen review and initiate the text yeah if the commission could just authorize us to initiate this text amendment I think you can just do that verbally and then ask if there's anybody here that wants to speak on it okay thank you I'm assuming we have no issue with Town Council staff initiating the text Amendment as uh presented oh okay so please proceed with that and is there anybody from the town from this public here to speak on this not seeing any did we get it all right yes thank you very much thank you Ashley next discussion regular meeting agenda looks like right now we have one two three items on consent and three audience on non-consent uh they're all Dr cases is there any reason to keep them on non-consent does anybody want to hear any of them uh chair the only one I'd like to see is the Walgreens item 11. yeah it's Dr 22-194 okay uh so if we keep that one where it is are we okay moving items 12 and 13 to non-consent the obvious and Jermaine and Silverado industrial chairman Anderson I'm fine with both those okay yes you are too yeah good commission yeah okay so we'll go ahead and move those over to non over to consent during the public hearing and we will hear item 11 unless anyone from the public comes to hear or speak on items 12 or 13. um so at this time I will adjourn the study session and we'll reconvene for the public hearing at six o'clock no no no no no foreign almost happened every time I've never said that presentation thank you so this this is right away foreign foreign maybe like everybody foreign unfortunately foreign with my back huh I don't know how you parking space oh yeah you're saying the fights like uh you just get to the end you go it might drop by the time thank you okay so she doesn't get the opportunity thank you oh yeah examples if I don't know find a good girlfriend that's stocked up on something entrepreneurs um all about it okay foreign thank God myself in Arizona yeah thank you it's outside you know isolation foreign let's see Ashley are we all ready okay all right I'm going to call the order the town of Gilbert Planning Commission public hearing first item is Pledge of Allegiance Ashley could you start us off with that please I pledge allegiance to the flag next item is roll call commissioner Blazer here commissioner Faye president commissioner Davis here commissioner Gage here and commissioner Anderson yeah chairman we have a quorum thank you foreign next item is approval of agenda during the study session it was discussed to move items 12 and 13 from the non-consent hearing to the consent calendar from the not consent calendar to the consent calendar is anybody here that wishes to speak on either item 12 or 13 which is Dr 2317 Arby's or Dia 2307 Germain and Silverado Industrial uh seeing any so those items will now move over to consent uh so for the public hearing consent items it will be up 22-75 Verity at Coulee station item 9 Dr 22 177 Verity at Coulee station item 10 Dr 23 30 access of aces of Gilbert Campus expansion item 12 Dr 23 17 obbies item 13 Dr 23-07 Germain and Silverado Industrial commissioner Faye can I get a motion please on the agenda yes chairman I'd like to make a motion to move the aforementioned items from the public hearing or from the rather the non-public hearing to the public hearing consent is there a second all second please cash your votes motion improves uh unanimous next will be Communications from citizens at this time members of the public May comment on matters within the jurisdiction of the town but not on the agenda the commission response is limited to responding to criticism asking staff to review a matter accommodate upon or asking that a matter be put on a future agenda is there anybody here from the public would like to speak or address the commission at this time not seeing any move along to item seven report from Council liaison on current events council member Anderson please thank you Mr chairman not a whole lot to report on we we did take action on a handbook for the process for uh going through to for ethics complaints and also a code of conduct and I think that's we took action on that at our last regular meeting and I think that's going to be shared with you over the next 30 days so you have an opportunity to review that other than that thank you for being here on a hot July I know sometimes we struggle during July with to get in a quorum and thank you for your service and for being here all right thank you next we'll move along to public hearing consent items all items listed below are considered the public hearing consent calendar the commission may by single motion approve any number of items where after opening the public hearing no personal requesting item to item be removed from the consent calendar such a request is made the commission shall then withdraw the item from the public hearing consent calendar for the purpose of public discussion in separate action other items on the agenda may be added to the consent calendar and approved under a single motion we will vote on items eight up 22-75 Verity at Cooley station Idaho 9 Dr 22-177 Verity at Coulee station item 10 Dr 23-38 aces of Gilbert Campus expansion item 12 Dr 23-17 Arby's item 13 Dr 23-07 Germain and Silverado industrial I'll open it to the public is anybody here to hear any of those items not seeing any closed public here public hearing uh public um uh where was it uh yeah so uh commissioner [Music] hold on for a second which item is this seven okay so what we can do is shoot Ashley should we just just pull this one off the consent calendar and just hear it correct chairman we can pull this from consent and then hear it separately so I would I would suggest that you still move forward with the consent agenda and then open that up when that one up next so give us a second here okay thank you so commissioner or chairman I would make a motion to approve items 8 9 10 and 12. on the consent agenda and remove item 13 from the consent agenda okay is there a second I'll second it okay all uh please cash your votes asset CMS so we'll just we'll hear this one from staff now is that what we'll do okay excuse me sir ma'am uh we're gonna have staff come up and present that case uh to us and then we'll open it up to the public and you'll have an opportunity to come up and speak thank you so uh let's go to item 13. well do we have to go to the public hearing uh chairman yes you're now moving on to the public hearing agenda you can go in order of the agenda if you'd like or since there is somebody here for item 13 you can start with that one if you prefer okay thank you uh next we'll move along to the public hearing non-consent items non-consent public hearing items will be heard at an individual public hearing it will be acted upon by the commission by a separate motion during the public hearings anyone wishing to comment in support of or in opposition to a public hearing item may do so if you wish to comment on a public hearing item you must fill out a public comment form indicating the number on which you wish to be heard once the hearing is closed there will be no further public comment unless restrict requested by a member of the commission so the people that are here to speak on items 13. if you haven't done so if you could please fill out a comic card in the back of the room and hand it to staff thank you so we'll move along to item 12 First dr2317 Arby's Samantha oh I'm sorry yeah thank you eleven yeah Dr 22194 Walgreens Queen Creek and Val Vista that is Sal right good evening chair Anderson and planning Commissioners I know this one was pulled would you like the full presentation or did we just have specific questions directed towards an exhibit uh commissioner Davis asked for it to be pulled so I'll refer to her or defer to her okay if you skip that part we've got pace so um I guess that I wanted to talk about was the elevations for the building one question I had I was having trouble determining the material for s20 which is the white area where the Walgreens sign is I couldn't tell if that's like a spine panel or what it is I didn't see it on the color material board I was curious if you had information on what that is um chair Anderson commissioner Davis you are correct it does look like that material is left out of the colors and materials board I don't know off the top of my head exactly what the material is but if the applicant is here and if they have any familiarity with what the white material is I'll be more than happy to pass that one along okay yeah I'd be curious what that is you know it looks like I don't know if it would be something that could be illuminated or something I the other concern that I had is the flatness of this building overall it doesn't I guess I'd be curious to know what those looks like it's maybe just a few inches happening in wall plane change and you know you look at the Arby's that's on our agenda for tonight there's a lot more play in the building this one is really just a decorated box okay with very little variation of any of the well plane changes and I can't think of any other buildings that we've seen even the industrial buildings we're seeing more play even on the Tilt buildings feels like there should be some more massing or some more variation in those wall planes they've done it across the roof line but across the wall it doesn't have that Walgreens usually has something covering their entrance this looks like it's just flat over the entrance no you know weather protection as you're walking into the building um we haven't seen any Walgreens in a long time it was kind of cool to see where they're going with it I like it just to look at it but when you realize that it's just really flat that's where my concerns were is that there's not it's in flat elevation that's actually what it's going to feel like I didn't see where there's going to be that real variation or interest in those wall planes so that was my concern and then the the canopy too is that covers the drive-through areas pretty pretty spindly so um it seemed like it could be a little bit more substantial also okay um those are my comments I don't know if the board has any thoughts on any of those items great um so just speaking on behalf of the you know colors chosen and the flat roof lines this site is part of the Vista Del Oro plant area development there at the northwest corner and it is part of the Masters height plan so a lot of the architectural Styles and you know colors and materials will be shared throughout the site but we'll be more than happy to speak with the applicant and work on improving some of these elevations to create some more movement along those um longer facades I guess my there could be a little bit more play I don't know what that's going to do to their site plan but um that's kind of where I come down on it so great thank you commissioner Davis any further comments or questions for staff does the applicant wish to give a speak and then just run to this post if you could please state your name for the record uh Bruce walkowski representing bancorps properties and the seller and Walgreens um as to your comment on the uh the white behind the sign the most recent submittal showed it as M3 which is a flat nietzsche-haw panel with a cotton color so it's kind of mislabeled on the plant set they got some it was that was probably prior oh got planned gotcha um so it's the um M3 exterior wall finish uh fiber cement panel with a smooth finish cotton color perfect and then as it relates to the um the entrance this is kind of a new prototype for Walgreens it's a new building so they don't aren't going with their standard Corner vestibules anymore um so this is kind of a their new prototype and so they do have a little bit of a bump out with that sign but it's really not a protective cover but uh this is this is the uh look the new look for their medium format stores I guess on that material over the door that's still not registering because I mean that's like a gray material and the texture looks very different than what that's showing in those panels um I actually prefer that it have that white because that volume is better I just wish it projected a little more or it was a little more substantial or the walls that it sat on had a little more variation do you know what those depths are where you have um the M2 corn like the corner to the wall behind it do you know what that offset is on the floor plan it looked really like just yeah I don't have that Dimension but it you know guesstimate 12 inches you know with the bump out for that didn't look like that on the floor plan it looked really minimal it looked like it was just maybe the thickness of like they it looked like maybe they built it out just a little bit so yeah well I think maybe maybe it's a you know a six inch stud framing with material on top so it's probably you know eight to ten inches by the time you bump it out from the wall that's I guess that's my concern I feel like there should be some sort of weather protection or a recessed entry or something where you know can step in from the rain um not that we have a ton of it but on those wet days it is it it just feels a little not welcoming um a little different maybe we are used to those big you know yeah the canopies which I get that you're you know simplifying it and I'm okay with the more modern look to it I'm actually like that I just like I said I just have concerns that it's just so flat and there's not a lot happening there and there's not any kind of cover there so yeah I understand your comment but I'll I'll be honest with you to get that approved from Walgreens would be very difficult because of this is their new standard like I said I don't know what the rest of the board feels that same way it's just where I come down no I understand my concerns on the elevation so great thank you commissioner Davis and um like I said we'll be more than happy to you know work with the applicant and come up with some you know new Concepts or a little bit of a change in the elevation before that CD submittal to ensure we're meeting the planning commission's needs and wants I guess that raises a question for me since this is for a vote by the commission tonight how would that work I mean is that possible or do we need to just vote and I just need to vote my conscience on it chairman and commission I think you have a couple of options and the item could be continued if the commission would like to see what those modifications look like and you could continue this to the August hearing or we could add in a condition that the applicant submit revised elevations to planning staff prior to submittal of their submittal or their construction drawing submittal and then we could specifically outline those changes that you'd like to see so I think it really depends on your comfort level so I don't know where everybody else is at on this I I don't see a reason to continue it for another month I think this stipulation would probably work best for this and that's kind of what we've done in the past as well uh to address the concerns um I for me that's I would feel more comfortable doing that than prolonging this for another month I certainly have faith in staff um I just if you know no one's also no one else is in agreement I don't want to be um I mean I'm happy to to not support but if other board members are in agreement and I'm happy to add a stipulation for the staff to work with the applicant to try to get some more variation in that and to try to get some material behind this sign that has that has the look of what's shown in the elevations but finding out what you know what material that would be um try and get some of those Corner elements just to get a few more inches of some actual depth in between those wall plane changes and make that entrance a little bit more interesting so okay perfect thank you for the feedback commissioner Davis um Ashley do we have to craft the condition I am chairman and commissioner Davis I do have a draft condition that I'm I'm happy to read to you and see if that if I've captured everything so prior to construction drawing submittal the applicant shall submit revised elevations to planning staff reflecting increases in wall plane changes a more proportional drive through canopy and modified materials behind the Walgreens sign does that work for you and that works just fine for me okay I'd like to make a motion well we have to continue through this whole process first so we'll we'll get to it okay all right so um if the applicant does have anything is there anybody here from the public that wishes to speak on this all right that's just one question as far as different types of material um I guess I've I'm a little confused on that um you said that the material behind the Walgreens sign over the entrance that white area is actually that M3 which is kind of a looks like almost like a stucco type material in the and it's like a gray tone and it actually I like the idea well actually it's more of a whitish cotton color uh excuse me commissioner uh Davis so I think the cotton color shown there in the board is just um an incorrect color yeah it is supposed to be that nichiha white cotton that you see behind the Walgreens sign but it's just labeled as that um that gray color so it's just uh incorrect labeling of the color okay okay my issue is just the report the fact that it was pretty flat yeah I have a the updated color board that I guess we didn't have on this for these materials but it is the white more of a cotton color and then as as it relates to the more mass over the the doorway um to be honest with you I don't know if I can get that approved I think she also should suggested a recess as well which would be an easier way to achieve what commissioner Davis is asking for the concern is just the rain so even if you created a recess of a few feet I think that would suffice Commission a uh I guess a comment slash question on the floor plan it shows there's a line that shows like there's there's a vestibule of some sort um it doesn't look like a wall but you know is it delineated for foot traffic if the concern is weather protection and you're able to walk right into the building it um I don't know if that addresses the concern or or not um it and I I guess um I guess my other comment on the on the um drive-through canopy as I look at the landscape plan there's kind of a median or a curve that runs down that I think um I think I don't know caused me to look at it a little bit differently so I don't I don't know if that's worth showing everybody but if if we were to if we were to vote without a stipulation I would support it as is but I'm not against the stipulation either so I guess it depends on um what everyone else thinks you know as the applicant we've respectfully request a vote without the stipulation obviously um but yeah the sliding glass doors they walk directly into the building um and then along the canopy there is a median with landscape which adds a little bit of Mass to that area versus just a canopy columns so is this the first time this case is being presented to us did it come through study session or uh chair uh chairman Anderson this is the first time this project is being shown to the Planning Commission it was not on a study session agenda okay on the on the canopy to live with that I think it's more important on the depths of those well planes and if that is a clear area inside like a vestibule type area where it's you know not going to end up with a bunch of product and stuff and yeah as well I would like to see you know if you could get a little bit of depth there because it's also just part of those proportions of the depth of those volumes but I could live without the section about the canopy so that's where I'm at okay commissioner uh gate thank you chair I just have a kind of a procedural question if we're going to approve this with the condition that these things are looked at and he's the applicant is saying that there's no way that Walgreens is going to budge from this plan than what happens chairman and commissioner Gates that's a great question um if the applicant weren't able to make those modifications as as conditioned it would have to come back to Planning Commission at that point because you are giving direction to make those changes and if Walgreens says says no we wouldn't be able to approve it at a staff level so we would ask them to modify that condition back with the Planning Commission okay thank you any further comments commissioner I don't have any aesthetic concerns but but commissioner David if you want a stipulation that's a if you're not comfortable and want to continue it to to get response more than just a stipulation I mean I'll support that I suspect the stipulation probably doesn't and if they can't meet the stipulation it'll have to come back kind of one makes it come back one makes it come back if they can't meet but either way I'll support that thank you commissioner I'm okay with the stipulation option removing the portion that Ashley had included for the canopy but still including the rest of it as far as the covered entrance that portion of the stipulation could come out too if we can just get those wall plane variations doesn't have to be a lot but just something to create some shade and Shadow around that building and create a little bit more interest as you go around that um I just you don't see a lot of just flat boxes around the town of Gilbert and I think quality wise it makes a difference to see that variation in those walls and so I feel like that really does need to happen but I do trust staff to take care of those details okay thank you if the applicant doesn't have anything further I appreciate your comments and listening to us thank you all right thank you is anybody else anyone from the public that would like to address the commission at this time not C90 so I'll close the public here uh public hearing uh bring it back up to the diocese any discussion I think we've had our discussion so I'm going to look to commissioner Davis for a motion uh chair I would like to make a motion that we approved Dr 22-194 um with the condition that Ashley read earlier um removing the part about the canopy and any reference to requiring a covered entrance thank you is there a second I would second that chairman please cash your votes motion passes thank you great thank you all next we'll move along to item 13 Dr 23-07 Germain and Silverado industrial Sal hi again uh the case that we'll be looking at now is Dr 23-07 Germain and Silverado Industrial so the subject site outlined in blue here is located at the northeast corner of Silverado court and Germain Road and is part of the 202 Business Park the 202 Business Park was annexed back into the town in July of 2003 and was rezoned to light Industrial in 2004. the total gross acreage of the 202 Business Park is roughly 77 Acres the subject site is roughly 8.16 acres in hustlezone light industrial the site borders the light industrial zoning District to the South and West while the public facility institutional zoning district is located to the north supporting the 202 Santan freeway and located to the east is a Maricopa County Canal that currently has no assigned zoning District The Proposal consists of developing a new office warehouse industrial use which is permitted within the light industrial zoning District as previously mentioned the proposal consists of developing a new office warehouse use that is approximately 61 430 square feet with 4 388 square feet dedicated to office and 55 900 square feet dedicated to warehouse space three access points are provided off of Silverado Court one of the access points is to be open and the other two were to be gated the access points are all provided off Silverado Court as the street Frontage along Germain road is not wide enough to support an access point as for the building it's situated on the Northern portion of the site and oriented in a north-south alignment that focuses the prom prominent elevations towards Silverado court and the neighboring canal and Industrial uses the building location also provides efficient truck and vehicle circulation on this oddly shaped parcel while also creating a reasonable buffer between the neighboring industrial uses and the adjacent artelia Road Germain Road just to the South there as for parking all parking will be located on the Northern portion of the site as well and is oriented along the eastern and western property line as well as parking spaces adjacent to the building's main entrance the parking count has also been met with 74 spaces being required and 74 spaces being provided on site various screening methods have also been implemented to reduce visual impacts to the surrounding properties and visibility into the site a six foot perimeter smooth phase dually well will be utilized along the northeast and West property lines and the Gated screen yard to the south of the building will be screened by a six foot CMU wall upper post green walls are designed to share colors with the proposed buildings and will include sufficient Landscaping to mitigate any visibility the landscape plan proposes an assorted range of trees and shrubs situated along all property lines the types of trees seen here on site are Desert Museum Palo Verde red push pistache and the hybrid thornless Mesquite some of the shrubs and accent plants include orange Jubilee Mexican bird of paradise red bird of paradise Valentine emu Bush red Yucca yellowka and smooth agave all landscaping materials will be evenly distributed along the site entrance and along all property lines Landscaping will also be installed within the parking areas and around the foundation of the building the proposed building will be 37 Feet Tall with flat roof lines and massing elements giving interest through variations of multiple Building colors materials and articulations such as recessed walls the main exterior wall material will be constructed of concrete tilt paneling with a vertical deep reveals and various patterns the color palette is neutral gray and includes accent colors such as organic green white and cyberspace which is that darker black color there the office portion of the building will be located on the South Side facing Germain Road and the remaining portion of the building will be dedicated to warehousing single pane windows and insulated glass with bronze aluminum frames have also been strategically placed around the building for design purposes as well as creating adequate amounts of natural light for the building's interior here we have the view of the East and West elevations which are facing the adjacent canal and Industrial uses as you can see shared colors materials and masking elements are used throughout the entirety of the structure including varying roof lines and as I previously said those recessed wall planes as for the walls on site the perimeter slash dually wall will be constructed of smooth face block and the screen walls will be constructed of CMU block the perimeter and Screen walls on site will also be designed to incorporate the color palette of the exterior walls as for lighting on site it consists of both parking lot and wall mounted lighting wall mounted lighting will be placed at 14 feet along the Northwest and South elevation but the applicant is proposing wall mounted lighting at 25 feet along the Eastern elevation the applicant is requesting uh to the Planning Commission that we permit while lighting mounted at 25 feet for the following reasons loading docks are located on the east side of the building and a 25 foot mounting height would provide adequate and safe lighting for truck maneuvering and employee safety while lighting mounted at 25 feet mitigates conflict between mounting height and loading dock canopy and Architectural features the proposed 25 foot wall mounted lights do not sign into a property are designated for a residential use within our general plan and at this time staff does not have any concerns with the request with that staff's recommendation for dr-23-07 to the Planning Commission is for approval all right thank you thank you Sal for that presentation do is there any questions for staff at this time no I haven't seen any I'd like to invite the applicant up if they would like to make a presentation if you state your name for the record and you'll have 10 minutes sure thank you chair and Commissioners my name is Mike Forst with Sun State Builders I'm the builder of the project and I had a moment to visit with our neighbors who hadn't met before and and I apologize I should have reached out to them ahead of time that was a rookie move not to hadn't heard a comment so I didn't know who they were but you know should have reached out so they are adjacent to our Southern portion of the property and stuff we can pull up the landscape plan yeah essentially their concern is that they just hadn't seen these exhibits they didn't know what we were building they know it's industrial zoned they had seen a previous request that had a building right next to them um they are east of our Southern border where we have our retention and landscape and so the entire border to their property is is Landscaping so I think they're pleased to hear that um and the fact that our buildings on the north side of the property was also I think a relief and so we'll we'll let um well these folks speak as well the I'll comment on the request for 25 foot lighting is only up up at the building on the east side of the building and the truck truck yard there and um I believe we meet all zoning standards and besides that one request on the lighting height so I can answer any questions but uh appreciate you hearing the case all right thank you is there any questions for the applicant no okay thank you I do have a comic card from Donald Shields do you still wish to speak we're okay thank you okay all right thank you um they didn't mark anything on here so I'll mark off I do not wish to speak is that acceptable yes okay thank you all right so if they didn't come up uh anybody else from the public wish to speak on this case not CNA so we're close to public hearing bring uh bring it back up to the dice for any discussion and you just got chemistry of that yeah so Sal I I um reviewed this one I thought it was a great project it's a this is a genuinely irregular parcel I mean everyone claims they've got an irregular parcel most of them are an infill and this one but I didn't catch because I I looked at the summary up in the narrative and I didn't look closely enough at the site the aerial photographs I didn't catch that there's a residence next to that to me is a really big difference to say that it's wedged between the freeway and light industrial the canal I mean you could put anything in there you could put a nuclear waste dump and it wouldn't really matter because nobody would care say that it's wedged between a res a residence and that makes a really big difference and I don't really see that reflected in the staff report um it would have changed I would have thought this would be a non-consent a definite non-consent item given that so I'm actually thank the applicant for that not the applicant the public for coming and commenting on that it doesn't literally looking at it now that I'm thinking about it particularly since the southern end of the project is really just a retention Basin as far as I could tell it's unlit it's it's probably a pretty good use to be next to the residents at resident residency right the property but it would have it would have changed my analysis and my look at this so I think that that was probably an oversight that we we should have reflected in the staff report uh chair Anderson uh commissioner Faye I appreciate the feedback and um we'll make sure to clarify that anyone else and then Sal just remind me on this one for Dr cases a Dr case doesn't require a public meeting correct just zoning cases uh Jerry Anderson that is correct a Dr would not require uh Town Council hearing okay so the only notifications they get is when the sign goes up and mailings correct uh Jerry Anderson that's correct okay thank you uh if there's no further discussion I'll entertain a motion at this time commissioner Faye sorry I'm pulling up the number at my computer shut down here on me I got it right here chair I make a motion to approve item 13 Dr 23-07 the German and Silverado industrial as presented thank you Siri second I'll second it please cash your vote passes your name is thank you great thank you all uh next we'll move along to administrative items uh item 14 Planning Commission minutes consider approval of the minutes of the study session and regular meeting of June 7 2023 is there any discussion no can I get a motion please chair I make a motion to approve the minutes as presented 32nd oh second I should post please pass the seniors uh move down to item 15 report from chairman and members of the commission on current events I don't have anything to report does anybody else here to say anything nope I am 16 report from planning services manager on current events I'm saying that's you today Ashley it is uh no updates no updates okay I do have a question for you how um how are applications going for the town these past few months are you seeing them decrease are they leveled off any increase yeah I think we've a lot of administrative applications but things coming to the design review board and Town Council and we've definitely seen a little bit of a lull okay as a how does that compared to Summer of last year that's a great question I can look into that for you yeah I'd be interested to see if what's going on with interest rates in the economy because a lot of my clients are kind of putting projects off into the future so kind of curious to see if that's a um that's kind of the norm for right now until they figure out how to get things to pencil out that is that is something that we are hearing from folks okay well thank you for that if you know anything further we'll join adjourn and do this again next month yep foreign