This transcript features the Mayor, City Council, and staff of Lakeville, Minnesota. I have identified the speakers based on the names provided, their specific roles mentioned in the dialogue (e.g., developers, residents), and the context of the discussion. [0:02] **Mayor Luke Hellier:** All right, we'll call this meeting to order. If you'd join me in a moment of silence and the Pledge of Allegiance. [0:19] **Mayor Luke Hellier:** The pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Right, um, item two on the agenda: Citizens Comments. The opportunity for any residents or business owners to make a comment on an issue if it's on the agenda for later. We will typically open that up for contribution. We have a comment? You can raise your hand. I miss the Man line? Oh, okay. Moving on to number three: Consent items for approval. We have one resolution to adopt for the insurance rates. Based on timelines, we had to take that up instead of the next meeting. So I will take a motion to approve the consent agenda. [1:04] **Councilmember John Bermel:** I move and approve the consent. [1:04] **Mayor Luke Hellier:** Is there any second? Okay, any further discussion about this health and dental insurance resolution? Okay, if not, all in favor say aye. (Council responds: Aye). Motion prevails. And we'll now move on to item four: Sundance Lakeville comp plan amendments. Um, whose team is like—Daryl, are you? [1:50] **Daryl [Staff]:** I’m gonna have Ryan Saylor, the developer, lead off for this. I’ve got some comments when he’s done. [1:50] **Mayor Luke Hellier:** Very—you want to join us at the table? Sure. I just need you to give your name and address for the record and everything. Start name and address. You're good. [2:31] **Ryan Saylor:** Ryan Saylor. Um, I’m with Timberland Partners. Address 8500 Normandale Lake Boulevard, Bloomington, Minnesota. And I am here tonight just, I guess, to come back with Sundance Lakeville. It’s been a few years, 2021, um, we were here proposing to develop—I think at that time it was about 198 flat-style townhomes at the corner of Buck Hill Road and 162nd. In 2021, we got denied basically proposing to change the comp plan and zoning. Um, and I don't think there was enough support to change the zoning and the comp plan. So since then, we’ve let the site go; it’s sat vacant again for a couple years. And I suppose within the last 10 months we picked it back up, working with the seller seeing if there's a way we can make it work, listening to the feedback from the City and the Council about the need for commercial on the lot. So what we have proposing is to come back and asking for a comp plan amendment and a rezoning to add 169 townhome-style flats on approximately 11 acres and single-family homes in the northwest corner of the site, which is currently zoned for single-family homes. And then along 162nd, we're proposing with Davis Medical, who's here tonight if there's any questions about those buildings, a 14,000 square foot single-story medical office building and an additional 12,500 square foot medical office building. I don't want to speak to their details, but I do believe both those buildings currently have interest and perhaps they're pre-leased already. So they're coming with built-in users if we should be successful. So that's what we're putting before you tonight for the plan. You know, I think the big difference from the previous plan is this provides some complementary uses—it provides commercial uses, but they're complementary uses from the standpoint that the residential, for the most part, the residents will be out before 8:00 AM and back after 5:00 PM, whereas with the medical office, you're having users arrive after 8:00 AM and leaving before 5:00 PM. So it's not creating a congested traffic issue. Shinek is a positive; it's reducing the housing density by about 20 units from the last plan. This current plan moves the private East-West main drive North, which I think was a comment from Public Works the last go-around, so it should help with stacking traffic. The clubhouse on the southwest side of the site—I think that helps keep all the residential on the Kindle side of the road. I think from the neighborhood perspective, keeping all the residential on the west side is a positive. And I just think the residential use is a good fit with the comp plan. It keeps two-story flats and is a good transition from the commercial to the single-family to the north. So, I guess I don't want to use up all the time. I'd rather open this up for discussion. [6:22] **Mayor Luke Hellier:** I have just a couple questions immediately. Are they rental townhomes or owned? [6:34] **Ryan Saylor:** They are rental townhomes. The townhomes are rental and so are the single-family homes. [6:34] **Mayor Luke Hellier:** Can you talk about your approach to property management? [6:34] **Ryan Saylor:** Absolutely. Timberland Partners is a local company; we're based in Bloomington, Minnesota. We approach everything with the long-term in mind. We're not sellers; we're holders of real estate. There's many properties we've owned since our inception 30 years ago. We do our own third-party management; we don't manage for anybody else, which I think is important. No one takes care of your properties like you do. This project would have onsite management, which I think is also important. We go through strict screening criteria—both criminal background checks and credit scores. So we are a full-service shop from development, management, and ownership. It's important—we listened in 2021. I don't know if it's a perfect plan, but that's why we're back to find out what the City said. We want to be good long-term partners with the City. [7:55] **Councilmember Joshua Lee:** Can you talk a little bit about your leasing structure and if that's different for the single-family homes from the townhomes in terms of lengths of leases? [7:55] **Ryan Saylor:** Yeah, I don't think in terms of the length of the leases there is much difference. I think in single-family there just tends to be longer-term tenure. Right now the market's on its head a little bit with rising interest rates; I think all renters are longer-term renters than maybe they were four years ago. But we've had pretty good retention in these style flats. We've done them in different markets around the country, and retention here seems to be a little bit higher than your traditional mid-rise apartment buildings that tend to be a little more transient. [8:41] **Daryl [Staff]:** Ryan, could you just mention the Council and the builder's plan for the single-family? [9:28] **Ryan Saylor:** Yeah, so the builder we've got a very good relationship with is Robert Thomas Homes (or ARTIN Homes, which is their construction division). Paul Grabo is here tonight; he can speak to any details if you'd like. But they would build both the single-family residential and the two-story townhomes. We don't have the single-family design perfectly figured out yet, but it will be one of their designs. Hopefully, that speaks to the quality. You know, I like to think of this as a local "All-Star team"—local developers and a local contractor trying to keep it within the city. Robert Thomas Homes is predominant in Spirit of Brandtjen Farm. [9:28] **Mayor Luke Hellier:** Michelle, you have a question? [10:16] **Councilmember Michelle Volk:** I thought about the frontage road, or whatever you want to call it, Buck Hill Road. Obviously, from the last time, my concern was the amount of traffic from the townhomes trying to get out onto Buck Hill Road. I still have a concern about the fact that that road is very curvy. So I drove over there, went into the O'Reilly Parts parking lot because that's the closest to where that street would be. From a sight perspective, to be able to turn back—just to make a right to turn back out of there—was difficult because that road curves again, kind of in an opposite direction. It curves there and curves again around the Crystal Lake Automotive building. It makes it really difficult to see oncoming traffic. The other thing is you're letting out then real close to the point where you're breaking up into three lanes: a right, a center, and a left turn lane. In my opinion—and I’m just speaking from being on the road—the other street across from behind the bowling alley, they already have a very difficult time making lefts out of there to go East to catch the freeway or go into Apple Valley. So they already have a difficult time getting out of there. I am definitely concerned about those persons trying to make turns out of that area. I realize there's a stoplight at Buck Hill Road, and we'd have to work with the County. That light is really long, meaning the people waiting on the frontage road side of 46—it's a long, long time before that light changes. So then my next concern is how your people can get out of the neighborhood when that traffic is already stacked on Buck Hill Road. Those are just some of the things I thought about. I am happy to see the commercial being the front part of that property because I think it mixes well with the McDonald's and the office building across the street, but I'm concerned about the people we’re going to be getting emails from, just like we do on the 185th Street apartment building over by Target. I can just see it being a potential cluster. [14:08] **Ryan Saylor:** You know, I think for us, obviously, we want our residents and everyone there to be able to access roads safely too. I read the summary conclusions of the traffic study today—I don't think it's been submitted to the City yet—but basically the findings here are that it has minimal impact. I'll leave it for the engineers to read through. That being said, I think the uses here may be the least intensive compared to others. John Johansen has tried to market the site for 20 years, and it sat vacant because some of the big users, like Costco, have such high traffic demand and concerns about stacking onto Buck Hill. I also think there was an iteration of the plan that had fast food uses, and those are even higher intensity. I don't know if there is a perfect plan for this intersection, but this might be one of the best uses for the site. [14:55] **Councilmember Michelle Volk:** My question is maybe to Daryl: Do we have any way of—maybe we're limited landlocked over there—but is there any way to straighten that road somewhat so you can have visibility for turning? I mean, when it's even questionable to make a right turn, that's tough. [15:41] **Daryl [Staff]:** Well, not being an engineer, I'm at a bit of a disadvantage. But what I will say is that the proposed location of the driveway—and again, these are site plan details that would come with the plat—they've pushed that drive about as far north away from the intersection as they can. You see where their property boundary ends right there? The other thing—and I was a regular at Crystal Lake Auto—coming out of that driveway is a bit of a "white knuckle" experience because it's a concave curve to the north. However, the farther south you go, the better the sight lines get. Here you have the outside of the curve, so your sight lines should be a little bit better, a little bit clearer. [17:14] **Councilmember Michelle Volk:** I took the furthest south, which is the O'Reilly, to be closest to this to make that determination. As I sat there and watched the traffic and then made my own right turn, it's still very concerning that it'll be so close to where lanes start to divide. Switching gears from traffic: Are all these townhomes market rate? [17:14] **Ryan Saylor:** They're 100% market rate. [17:14] **Councilmember Michelle Volk:** And the houses too, correct? How much would a house run for? [17:14] **Ryan Saylor:** Depending on whether it's a three or four-bedroom, but typically between $3,100 to $3,500. [17:14] **Councilmember Michelle Volk:** Okay, that's what people are pretty much renting their houses for now. [18:02] **Councilmember John Bermel:** Just a couple—and I know the house design isn't done yet—but in the back of your mind, what kind of housing are you thinking? Ramblers without basements, or what kind conceptually? [18:02] **Ryan Saylor:** I think we're thinking ramblers and maybe some two-stories. We're not sure on the basements yet because we haven't done a full grading plan; grading will determine that. [18:02] **Councilmember John Bermel:** And the ones just to the west of that, I’m assuming it would try to match those? [18:02] **Ryan Saylor:** Correct. We'll try to fit those in with the neighborhood. And even with the clubhouse off 162nd, I think we'll try to work with Davis and their group too to match the commercial so there's consistency in how we blend in with both the neighborhood and the commercial. [18:02] **Councilmember John Bermel:** And the majority of those buildings—it looks like four-plex townhomes? [18:02] **Ryan Saylor:** They're 8 to 12 units. The two middle long rectangular buildings are 16 units. But they'll all come with an attached garage. No units here will not have an attached garage. [19:35] **Mayor Luke Hellier:** Daryl, staff perspective? [19:35] **Daryl [Staff]:** Well, staff supported this two years ago. I think the staff consensus is that this is an improved plan this time around. We do like the commercial at the most visible corner of Buck Hill Road and County Road 46. Obviously, the Davis Group is doing that medical office building right next to Buffalo Wild Wings off of 185th Street; they do a nice job, and we're really supportive of that. Personally, I am very pleased to hear that Robert Thomas is part of this project because they've done really nice work up in Spirit and have been really good to work with. That helps. [19:35] **Mayor Luke Hellier:** Can we just hear from Davis on the plans for the medical opportunity? [20:20] **Patrick Giordano:** Good evening, I'm Patrick Giordano with Synergy Architecture Studio. The Davis folks are in Greece for a wedding this week, so I'm representing them. We would be the architectural firm working on the medical buildings. As mentioned, we're also the firm doing the project at 185th. Davis is a group that develops, holds, and manages their own properties. In medical, you've got a different scenario where often you're talking long-term leases—15 or maybe even 20 years. The 14,000 square foot property on the corner would be a single tenant that we've already identified. We've got a couple of interested parties for the other 12,500 square foot building. Mark Davis, the owner, is very much focused on aesthetics. Class A materials—I don't think we'll have any trouble with materials and an aesthetic you'll be happy with on that prominent corner. [22:25] **Councilmember Michelle Volk:** And is that why you divided those buildings up instead of making it an L-shape? [23:13] **Patrick Giordano:** Yes. The 14,000 square foot user wants their own identity; they want to be in their own building. Secondly, if we were to run those properties linearly along the road, you're kind of looking at the backside of the buildings. When you can turn a building 90 degrees to the street as you're coming down County Road 46, you're going to see the fronts of those buildings, which offer more aesthetic opportunity for canopies and entries. We also like the entries not to face north because of our climate; you want sun on them throughout the day. And then there's the parking—there's going to be a cross-parking easement. This configuration works well for us because we like our parking to be perpendicular to the building fronts. If you're with a stroller or a walker, you want to walk down the aisles rather than try to weave between cars. This is really a better setup for us. [24:45] **Councilmember Michelle Volk:** So you're sharing the clubhouse? [24:45] **Patrick Giordano:** No, the clubhouse on the southwest corner is not part of our parcel. Just the parking between the two buildings. [24:45] **Councilmember Michelle Volk:** Okay. What kind of signage would you have? [24:45] **Patrick Giordano:** We'd love as much as you would be able to give us. They'll want to identify their user groups. Obviously, we'd have to work with staff to determine what we can get signage-wise, and we will probably use every inch you give us. [24:45] **Councilmember Michelle Volk:** Are you anticipating monument signs too, along 46? [26:18] **Patrick Giordano:** If there was a potential for a monument sign, we may do that. But turning these buildings 90 degrees means front signage on the entry side will be visible from the road. Chances are we'll be restricted if we do get a monument sign to a single one, and we'll probably put it off the East-West road to identify the access point. [27:03] **Councilmember Joshua Lee:** Can you talk about the challenges of getting other types of tenants for this spot and why other tenants aren't occupying these spaces? Can it be non-medical? [27:49] **Mayor Luke Hellier:** I would actually say that's a better question for John, who's been marketing the site for 20 years. John, can you speak to that? [28:36] **John Johansen:** Good evening. Yes, I just want to make sure the question was about other commercial users. 22 years ago, it wasn't a secret: Jerry's Foods, one of the largest operators of Cub Foods, was a principal along with us. We tried for 22 years to get a grocery here. We were never able to fit it in or get a research study saying it would be profitable. We tried numerous other users and came to the City with multiple other options that were turned down. Abdullah Candies wanted to be here; they would have had a retail store and production impact where you could do tours. The City essentially told us no. If you've talked to Costco or Home Depot—you name it. Costco had the city liquor license issue and went to Burnsville. I primarily do retail, and I've tried for 22 years. The site grade is also an issue; shopping centers are very difficult at 1.8% because shopping carts move, which means insurance claims from carts hitting cars. Residential works because they can have a three percent grade across the site and you don't feel it. We've exhausted commercial opportunities here. There are some parties interested in commercial along 46, but it's what is feasible today: quick-serve restaurants or drive-throughs. They're not always loved by cities, but residents love them. I think medical office buildings are a wonderful transition. Our alternative for commercial is almost certainly drive-through restaurants. I don't want to beat that industry up, but we're usually defending ourselves. Also, when we first appeared before the City 20 years ago, there was one Lakeville resident and about 25 Burnsville residents. Because the Burnsville property line is right there, those residents thought they owned this site. They were very upset because they were going to look at a parking lot and trucks. This is a very soft transition. Fortunately, I'm stepping out of the land once this sells. These teams have been great to work with; they moved the driveway north as far as they literally could create more queuing immediately upon request. [32:23] **Councilmember John Bermel:** You don't own the parcel to the East? [32:23] **John Johansen:** No. Those two little buildings on the right that go north and south—you might remember that was a pretty deep hole 20 years ago. We helped fill that in with sand from the hill on this site. [33:10] **Councilmember John Bermel:** I was someone that did oppose this project two years ago. I still believe we're running low on commercial land; not a week goes by where I don't hear from someone wanting to build or lease space in Lakeville. So I appreciate that this site maintains some commercial with the medical office building and transitions with townhomes and single-family. We have the precedence from the property on County Road 70—maintaining commercial on the county road and backing off into residential. I would like a Lowe's or a grocery store—I live over here and it’s a "food desert"—but that's just the way it goes. I think this is probably one of the better options we would end up with long-term. [35:28] **Councilmember Joshua Lee:** I agree. I was in support of it last time, but I heard the concerns about retaining commercial. I think this plan has an option for existing residents to take this side road to a stoplight and take a safe left onto 46, which is a nice change for them. I went past this site as well; I'm not as concerned about the sight lines on this curve because it is further away from the other side of the curve. I think it's a great compromise. I would support this moving forward. [36:16] **Councilmember John Bermel:** I appreciate that the road is further north; that helps the traffic concern. It's not "constant" traffic like fast food. I like the transition of housing. I think the clinics serve a commercial purpose and complement what's across the street. Having medical offices in the middle of a residential area is a bonus for people choosing a doctor. I support the concept. [37:01] **Councilmember Michelle Volk:** I'm a little bit different than Joshua in that I'd like to see more individualized medical for our people instead of having to drive across the river. We're becoming a medical hub, but we have a lot of residents to take care of too. Retailers have to live in a whole other world since Amazon changed the face of brick-and-mortar stores. I'm not thrilled with the clubhouse being right there on the corner of 46, but I don't know where else you'd put it. Is that enough parking for the clubhouse, Daryl? [38:36] **Daryl [Staff]:** We haven't done fine-tooth detail on the site plan yet. I've offered Ryan some general comments on zoning and setbacks, but we haven't jumped into parking. In similar developments like Brookshire or The Springs of Lakeville, a lot of residents are expected to walk to the clubhouse. We don't have a specific parking ratio requirement for a clubhouse, but we would rely on the developer to show us how it's worked in their other developments. [40:11] **Mayor Luke Hellier:** Councilmember Wolter is on Teams. Dan, are you there? [40:57] **Councilmember Dan Wolter:** I am. Can you hear me okay? Sorry I'm not with you; I'm in Northern Montana. I don't have anything new to add. I’m in the same place as most of you. I'm concerned about rezoning commercial property, but this looks like a really good use. Working in the retail sector, I echo the concerns about the grade for large retailers. I would generally be supportive of this. [41:43] **Mayor Luke Hellier:** Well, I think that's the extent of our comments. We'll look forward to supporting the site plan and the comp plan amendment rezoning application. As a reminder, that requires a supermajority. [41:43] **Daryl [Staff]:** Yes, it goes to a public hearing with Planning Commission, then Council, then the Met Council. It's a 90 to 120-day process. [42:15] **Mayor Luke Hellier:** Very good. Thank you for your time. We will now move on to the next item: Lake Marion Gravel Pit future land use. Daryl, are you—? [42:15] **Daryl [Staff]:** This is another one the Council discussed a couple of years ago. The Berry property is identified on the Musa staging plan in purple. It's on the west side of Lake Marion, east of the freeway at 195th Street. It has single-family zoning east of the pipeline and medium density (RM2) on the west half. The pipeline is being abandoned, so I may get a request to mine that 100-foot easement area. It’s not planned for City sanitary sewer until 2029. Currently, our ordinance doesn't address docks specifically, which has been a concern of the Lake Marion Homeowners Association. The only spot that addresses it is the Shoreland Overlay District, which requires a conditional use permit. The city's trail system plan identifies a Regional Trail Corridor through this property. This land was identified for this use in the gravel mining plants; mining stopped about three years ago. The City can get Parkland dedication with the subdivision of the property. Based on rough estimates, there should be enough land for a 75 to 100-foot wide trail corridor along Lake Marion to connect Casperson with Ritter. It's not urgent because the property can't develop without sewer, but it's on the radar. We have time to put regulations in place regarding the number of docks. We did research in Prior Lake code, which allows non-riparian lot owners in the same subdivision to have docks off of riparian lots. [48:19] **Mayor Luke Hellier:** Just to clarify, if an apartment building is built there, that owner would have to come to the Council to have any dock larger than a single-family home would have? [48:19] **Daryl [Staff]:** Right. Anything serving more than one property owner. If you imagine the property developed as single-family, you might have a dozen houses and a dozen docks. The concern for the HOA is if you have townhomes or multiple-family sharing a dock or a number of docks. [49:51] **Mayor Luke Hellier:** And the sewer would have to come from the south? [50:37] **Mayor Luke Hellier:** I had a question about that because—is there a situation where the utilities go through what the City already owns on the backside of those properties? [51:23] **Justin Miller (City Administrator):** The comp sewer plan identifies it following closer to Kenrick, on the western side. I believe it's coming through the new townhome development on 205th. You can see on the map where the street will go north and curve toward Kenrick. [52:08] **Councilmember John Bermel:** Two dock questions. DNR rules say a property owner gets one dock. If you put an apartment building there, is that still just one dock? I don't want to see a marina situation. Also, with the trail along the lake—if the City owns that land as Parkland dedication, does that sever the riparian rights of the lots behind it? [52:55] **Daryl [Staff]:** Yes. When this property plats, the Parkland dedication would be an outlot the City owns, not an easement. That would sever their riparian rights if the corridor is directly adjacent to the lake. [52:55] **Justin Miller:** Daryl, to clarify, the RM2 zoning doesn't allow apartments? [52:55] **Daryl [Staff]:** No, apartments would require a separate approval. Currently, it allows attached townhomes up to eight units. [56:02] **Mayor Luke Hellier:** This was on the agenda because the Lake Marion Association asked us to keep it on. Jeff, do you want to speak? [56:49] **Jeff [Resident]:** Jeff, 19371 Jersey Avenue. I live right across from the Berry property. Our big concern is safety on the lake. So many homes have been added in the last 25 years. During the week, it's hard to even get out there safely. On Spring Lake, they have an issue where they have an open wide-dock system where you can just rent a slip, and it's way too heavily populated. We would like something in the ordinance that says each parcel only gets one dock, regardless of whether it's townhomes or apartments. [59:06] **Councilmember John Bermel:** I think the DNR rules already say that, so I’m not as concerned that we need to double up. [59:06] **Jeff [Resident]:** I thought there was going to be an ordinance for us to put that wording in to make sure. [59:06] **Councilmember Michelle Volk:** Would a dock ordinance affect people on Orchard Lake? I don’t know what those houses have for docks and if they comply. I wouldn't want to affect someone who is currently there—would they be grandfathered in? [59:52] **Daryl [Staff]:** It would apply to all lakes in the Shoreland Overlay. Most of those lakes are developed already, other than this Berry property. Staff does an annual update of our zoning ordinances in January; we can add that to the discussion items. [1:02:10] **Councilmember Michelle Volk:** Maybe we could take a boat ride or a drone up there to see what's currently out there. [1:02:55] **Jeff [Resident]:** I agree it should be unilateral for all lakes. There’s also that property by Casperson that may fall into the same situation down the road. If we get something established in January, it stipulates it right there. It’s a big safety thing. Prior Lake is scary because of the concentration of boats. [1:05:27] **Councilmember John Bermel:** The DNR is pretty clear on one dock per property, but it gets "fuzzy" with multi-tenant properties. That’s what I want to clarify—can someone build a multi-property and claim they can put six docks there? [1:05:27] **Mayor Luke Hellier:** Thank you, sir. Does anyone else want to speak on barking dogs or communications? If not, we'll move to the newsletter proposal. [1:07:02] **Assistant City Administrator Allyn Kuennen:** I’ve looked into the costs and what other cities are doing. Today we use social media, our website, and a bi-weekly newspaper advertisement. A newsletter ensures everyone gets it, but it's costly and not as timely. I have examples here. Some cities, like Shoreview, incorporate their Park and Rec catalog to offset costs. We could also bill parts of it to the Stormwater Fund if we include management information. [1:09:21] **Councilmember Michelle Volk:** Does the school district get advertisers? [1:09:21] **Allyn Kuennen:** We probably shouldn't do that because of potential conflicts of interest with code compliance. [1:10:07] **Mayor Luke Hellier:** My challenge is the feedback: "I didn't hear about that public hearing." A quarterly newsletter won't solve that. [1:10:53] **Councilmember Michelle Volk:** I often thought we should put city news in the Park and Rec brochure. [1:11:39] **Councilmember John Bermel:** You can't communicate enough. I'm in favor of this because I'm a little more old school. I may miss an email or social media post, but I see what’s in my mailbox. I think seasonal—four times a year—makes sense. [1:13:09] **Councilmember Joshua Lee:** I think it’s got to be part of a bigger communications plan. People are really appreciating the Mayor's weekly emails. I’d love to see the City take that on. We could also pull in things like the police blotter, which is highly read. [1:15:13] **Justin Miller:** I send a weekly update out to staff, Council, and commissions. We do post it online. We could set it up where people can subscribe to get that in their email. [1:15:59] **Councilmember Michelle Volk:** But that internal update has a different tone. A newsletter would be a great way to build rapport and spotlight different departments. [1:18:21] **Allyn Kuennen:** We do a regular column in the weekly newspaper that grabs highlights from staff updates. But the newspaper circulation is going down. [1:19:54] **Mayor Luke Hellier:** I get a 55% to 65% open rate on my emails, which is really high. There's an appetite for news. [1:22:10] **Councilmember Joshua Lee:** My only concern is if we spend $35,000 on print, could we have a better response spending that on digital advertising? [1:22:57] **Councilmember Michelle Volk:** But the people we’re trying to reach are the ones who aren't online. It's also nice for new people moving into apartment complexes. [1:26:51] **Mayor Luke Hellier:** Let's try it for a year. I’d say avoid mailing anything from September 1st to November 10th because of political mail. [1:29:11] **Mayor Luke Hellier:** Barking Dog Ordinance. Mr. Miller? [1:29:11] **Justin Miller:** This was brought up previously. Our existing language says no person shall harbor a dog that "habitually barks." That is hard to enforce. We’re proposing to define "habitual" as barking for five minutes, unprovoked, in the presence of an officer. [1:30:43] **Councilmember John Bermel:** Can I ask dog owners—does a dog bark for five minutes straight? [1:30:43] **Councilmember Michelle Volk:** Mine does. He sits on the deck and bays if he smells something or hears a car. I like the new wording; it gives more accountability. [1:31:31] **Councilmember John Bermel:** It should say "barking or crying" to match the first sentence. Also, most breeds "bark, cry, howl, or bay." My dog bays. If we're talking about enforcement, we should include those terms. [1:32:56] **Mayor Luke Hellier:** I think it's really hard to enforce. If someone calls, by the time a cop gets there, the dog is often back inside. [1:34:30] **Councilmember Dan Wolter:** Both of my dogs started barking as soon as we started talking about this. I think it’s a good deterrent and a sensible update. I’m supportive. [1:35:17] **Mayor Luke Hellier:** Okay. Any Administrator updates? [1:35:17] **Justin Miller:** You saw the report on the Hasse Arena. Great things are happening there. Also, my performance evaluation period is coming up. [1:36:03] **Mayor Luke Hellier:** I was at the Airport Advisory Committee meeting. They’re talking about the runway extension project which keeps getting stalled. I also attended the Regional Council of Mayors. We need to discuss the new Metro sales tax for housing. Lakeville will get about $400,000 a year starting in 2024. We'll have a work session on that in November. Also, there's a conversation with the Downtown Lakeville Business Association about their future and potentially partnering with the Chamber. [1:39:07] **Mayor Luke Hellier:** On the 11th, we have the fire station tours. We'll meet at Station 2 at 5:00 PM. I’ll take a motion to adjourn. (Meeting Adjourned).