[Music] I will go ahead and call the meeting to order we'll start with a roll call uh mcke here friedrick here and bar Camp here and councilor lanterman should be here in the next few minutes and then councelor Nichols will not be here tonight he is I believe out of town uh if you'd like to stand and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance Pledge of alleg to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which one nation under God indivisible with liy and justice for all agenda approval uh looks like we have a couple things from staff I have 6 C being added uh 11a the close session being removed and 6K being modified which we had the printed version on the Das anything else no that's anything from Council okay with that I will entertain a motion to approve the agenda as amended so move there care give a second I'll second Perfect all those in favor say I I I perfect okay presentations we don't have any open Forum um so Nisha will walk us through and then we have a few cards and a couple I might uh suggest maybe speak at a different uh part of the agenda if they're on an agenda item but we can get into that aftera goes okay so Mr Mayor and members of the council um this is the opport excuse me ladies and gentlemen this is the opportunity where you can step forward and speak to the council about something not on the agenda Council will receive your feedback and it will not be to dialogue at this time Mr Mayor we have two cards at this time and the first you have two more yes but those are different section um one might be okay we have more than two cards um the first person I'd like to invite to the microphone please state your name and address we have Melissa Solberg and Mark's here for the record good evening coun my name is my address is 2711 parad however I own [Applause] to ass proed yes please okay so I am here today to uh ask for your help and bring some attention to some difficulty I've been having in using our land I was born and raised in Rogers and my husband and I have always dreamed of building on ACD in this area and purchased land from family back in 2023 it is the Sher Morning Star dairy farm land and we have a portion of it and we would like to build one single family house on it unfortunately the process has been very frustrating um we cannot seem to decipher where the goal posts are with what the city would like us to do we have um twice now every months the requirements are changing and we're in between that time we go to we've hired Paul Auto to be our engineer and we've done the work and then we come to a meeting and everything has changed one example that I'll say really quickly just to give some information is when we submitted our application they said they would like an easement Road North and South along the entire border of the property we pushed back because that road would go through land and two people's houses would have to be torn down I was not going to have my name associated with that when we pushed back at the meeting in November they surprised us and said they would now like the eement to go east west as you can imagine it's very frustrating to not know what the actual end result is that the city wants when they can turn a road 90° on a wind at ating and then in fact I was sent for their time to change their mind and I am asking separately for an accounting of how that time was spent using up my money so in summary I'm not feeling very welcome I would love to build my house here um we have family here supporting us we want to keep the farm going they will use our land to continue to farm and we just want to go one house in the middle not in the Wetland um away from County 30 of it can be farmed and we would like your help maybe looking into the process and why we can't get approval and the reason why we can't get approval is the gold po keep changing thank you for your consideration i' be happy to come back anytime and talk to anybody about this great thank you very much okay so believe I I saw the second one um is Jason y I um I think that one might be better on the agenda item is it um Jason is it on 7B so I'll do a a um like a public comment opportunity for planning items at 7 and if you want to come up then sure perfect sounds good um and then the next one let's see here uh James sherber good evening Council my name is Jam sherber uh we're here as as M spoke uh as many of our family members are as well in support of their trying to obtain a building permit to get get a home build done uh the property I have a portion of the uh adjoining property and um support uh it's been two years try just trying to even get them a permit so we're here to try and get some ironed out so that we can uh so again I have neighboring property and we support their cause and getting it expedited great thank you and then the last one I have a question um I'm sorry I I couldn't read your first name but Schmidt is the last name oh perfect and you had that it's related to an agenda item but you didn't have the agenda item it's for with Melissa okay perfect come on up hello my name is Quincy Schmidt um my main name is sherber and so I'm with the Shor Morning Star Dairy um my husband and I own the land that would be connected to the easement that they're working on and that's what we Farm as well it's the family f it's just uh my husband my dad my mom and I we farm that land um the farm was started by my grandpa and we'd loved to keep it in the family and so we're just concerned with the land usage with the proposal of wanting the easement there with concerns about keeping the Farmland keeping the um family business kind of where we're at where we've been at where we've loved to be at so we're just here to support Melissa um and here to express our concerns about the and kind of moving it into the Farmland that we' used great thank you so much and Quincy could you state your address for the record yes 22622 County Road 10 Rogers okay and is there anyone else that would like to come up for open Forum there's record Mr Mayor yeah just real quick uh I'll speak if it's okay I can sit here I will but I'll speak on the same kind of subject um Dean bar Camp 9310 Beck told Road Roger zip code but live in corkern and I believe the same for Quincy um and such again the zip codes are a little screwy out there I'm the neighbor across the street from the the Shor farm and uh they do a great job it it it does seem hard to understand why it has taken so long when that's what they're wanting to do um so if there's something I could do as a neighbor and as a council member to help understand this more i' I'd really like to be part of that so um it it seems to be a simple request and it seems to we've gotten extremely complicated so thank you appreciate it okay I think we have no one else for open Forum okay then we will move on to consent agenda which consists of items let's see here uh with the addition of six C uh 6 a through 6K does anyone want to pull anything I'd like to pull 6K okay I'd like to pull 6f F okay and okay with those polls I will entertain a motion to approve consent agenda items let's see here A through e and G through J anyone ber I'll make a motion to approve okay do have a second second all those in favor say I I hi okay and then we'll go on to item K Michelle um did you want to do F first no you is it okay okay um I I just wanted to review I had a couple questions on um there the um comp class study and just wanted to make sure that we had thought through and thinking about retention um that we only went out 8 years for the the the distance or the what am I trying to say um the length of time it's eight years that that we would be able to like continue to give people increases okay so we have our grades and then the steps and so I just think it would would be more beneficial to have more years so people would be able to continue to you don't you would end at eight years before you would only receive Cola increases okay so and I know we can't change that now I'm kind of just stating that for the record because we're sort of through the process already but I think that's an important thing to review at some point in the future since a lot of staff at corkran do tend to stay longer there's fairon staff that have been here at least 10 years and so they've already capped out at eight years so I think that should be something that should be reviewed in the future okay and then um I think that there also needs to be a shorter process if a staff member has a question or disagrees with their reclassification okay um and again we can't change that now because we're through the process but I would like that to be included as part of the review if we do have a review of this at some point in the next year or two okay because I think waiting nine months to give an employee an answer kind of kind of defeats the purpose of having our retaining where's the 9 months um it is [Applause] under there six months for the and maybe we can find it after too yeah um but noted appreciate you bringing that up anything else on it no sounds good if no one else has anything then I will I'm sorry I have one more thing oh yeah um I don't believe based on um what I read in the staff report it appears that staff probably hasn't seen their job descriptions yet and they won't see them until Council approves this new comp class study so I just wanted to make that clear too because staff won't have an opportunity to see what their job descriptions are until after we've approved this tonight is that accurate that is accurate um department heads have reviewed all of the job descriptions the initial job descriptions were worked on with the staff members the final ones were approved by department heads so once the wage schedule is approved tonight that new wage wherever staff members have landed in the grade that will be added to their new job description for the review and then that will come back to council for approval so Goa okay thank you perfect anything else no sounds good I will entertain a motion to approve uh consent agenda item 6K I'll make that motion do I have a second second okay all those in favor say I I I okay and then Mark F so f is the uh the rules of decorum and if you turn to the exhibit paragraph let's see 1 2 3 4 the fourth paragraph down uh I'm I'm very uncomfortable with and it reads should a member or members of the audience be identified as disorderly the mayor or chairperson has the right to declare the meeting temporarily recessed and call for the removal of said persons from the premises so my concern is this you know I we make decisions or we act in a way that will often disappoint the public and I think that they have the right to come here and voice their concerns and to voice their frustrations and we have a policy now that says that if someone is identified as disorderly and I don't see the word disorderly defined here but if someone is identified as disorderly we're g to remove that person and I I think that that's wrong and I think that if if you know I think sometimes we need to listen to tough things and uh I'll I'll I'll tell you what uh I I I I certainly will not be asking for the removal of anyone and how is that going to happen are we going to have the police come in here and and haul them out yeah it's it's certainly something that uh hasn't happened in my tenure here um and hopefully then if we don't have time to handle their building permits why do we have time to write a policy if we haven't had problems I think it was just this was just an update to we did have a we've had a policy in place this is an update to it um I don't know Jake probably could speak better to what specific changes were made from the existing policy um from my understanding it it's a pretty similar policy to what many cities have what our neighbors have I don't know that there's anything that's kind of uniquely ours uh in it um I think that language really is just to in the event that there's some dis disrup disruption that is preventing the meeting from proceeding forward um that it would give the ability to to be able to continue the meeting um like I said it's that's that's in my opinion at least a big jump from someone being upset and voicing their opinion to doing something that gets you actually kicked out of the meeting yeah I get that but if it hasn't been a problem why are we spending time updating policies when we can't seem to get to a building permit yeah I think it was just an annual review that at some point was asked to council asked Jay to to do in the past and he it up on it thank you I I just want to go on the record I'm very uncomfortable with that one paragraph okay thank you Mr Mayor um council member lanterman what paragraph were you on I was I'm sorry it's multitasking and I lost track of what you were looking for it's the fourth paragraph down on on the exhibit and it begins should a member no no I I read it oh what would you what would you say to get the point across of that line of disorderly and such you know what I'm saying i' I'd rather do something that addresses all of our concerns also well my my thing is okay if if if a fight breaks out out do we need a policy before we called the police it's like I I don't understand why we need that paragraph what's the purpose of that paragraph who is determining what's disorderly let's say if someone comes here and complains about well my building permit you know I've been waiting forever and and and and what if I take that personally and I don't like that person can I just say you're being disorderly get out like like what defines and who has the authority to enforce it I think that that's part of the reason why the language in there is um that the city council or commission may vote to reinstate the individual so typically uh it's the chair in in any type of meeting like this that has the discretion on and making that determination but the reason we'd have a provision to reinstate someone is let's say let's say I was out of line and I called something that you know what that's disorderly you're removed that was and I was way out of line by making that call then council could say well actually we don't think so we're going to vote to reinstate that person and it essentially overrules me I I yeah I I get that I just don't like the idea of um having written policy that we're going to remove someone if we think that they're disorderly if they are disorderly have an officer come in and remove them we don't need a policy for that I I just don't understand why why we're spending time on something like this when we admittedly have not had problems and we can't can't can't get applications approved in timely man right I I don't know how much time genuinely was put on it I believe that language actually or similar was in our policy prior to this I believe um because I know we've had conversations about the council being able to vote to reinstate someone as far back as When Brad was here um John do you have any input on I mean it's pretty standard language as far as I can tell yeah thank you mayor and councel I I think the the section that you're referencing I don't know that there's been any changes to that from the present policy um one suggestion might be in light of the commentary um would be maybe to clarify it um so after the word disorderly you could clarify that which disturbs the council's ability to conduct business to clarify it that way I I would be fine with that but I also don't like having language saying we will remove someone from this room yeah I think it just kind of establishes for public benefit what the protocol would be I mean we may know that we may you know may involve the police as we would need to but this just sort of sets the ground rules in an semi informal way um so I think I think it's it's a appropriate to do it it's um uh you could you can argue about how how closely all this would be followed uh and obviously it builds in a lot of discretion as you mentioned um but I think maybe if we clarify what what that threshold would be maybe that solves the problem for now I'll make a motion to can you restate that language that you add so and in the third paragraph under the general rules fourth overall paragraph first sentence it says should a member or members of the audience be identified as disorderly we would add some language um which disturbs the council's ability to conduct business I'll make a motion to add that in at at that point of the paragraph as stated by City attorney THS I'll second any discussion all those in favor say I I I I perfect thank you and then the item itself is 7 Up did you have anything else do you wanted to add no um I will entertain a motion to approve consent agenda item seven or 6f excuse me 6f I'll make that motion do I have a second second here Kim all those in favor say I perfect good job everyone Mr Mayor yes just real quick on the folks that talked um Melissa suberg and those folks we did not give a Time on when we would get back to them on their questions and such we didn't make any response back I don't think there's sitting here to watch us the rest of the night so council member V cam would you like staff to respond to their requests right now or typically open forms not a dialogue so you can direct staff to if you want it's up to you to direct staff on how you'd like us to proceed on that typically I think we have followup after the meeting offline um I I just they may be sitting here waiting for an answer we didn't say anything so just asking yeah I think that's probably the the most effective way and and most productive so that you're not so you can actually put some time into the response and and and that um if that works for you all um I think that would be best if you could follow up with the applicants and hopefully can can uh get on the same page and and start working forward with them Natalie and her team will get back to them sounds great thank you thanks you guys okay then we will go on to uh we'll go on to unfinished business and we will add in a public comment opportunity here um for our two planning items which is 7 a and 7 B and I believe we had one comment for 7 B wanted to come [Applause] on Jason Bartles 1979 hun Ridge um and I'm here on 7B the Lo concept plan good evening to you mayor council and staff thank you for the opportunity to speak tonight I'm here representing not only my property but also on behalf of neighbors from Hunters Ridge so I have fans in Stand our property is directly across the street from this proposed Development Area I've often spoke about concerns with development projects that have now surrounded our property the concept of world forkin which Drew us to buy and build in this area has unfortunately become a pleading memory I guess my first impression of this proposal is uh wow it's shocking how a nine lot concept has now exploded into 22 New Lots it makes no sense that only two lots comply with the rsf1 current Zone standard for lot area thank you to staff by the way for calling that out in the packet of documentation it appears once again that council's being asked to consider disregarding existing zoning codes for the sake of develop more population density for what was once rural cour more Lots lead to more homes more residents more cars and of course more traffic the last time I was here I spoke about residents concerns with traffic and safety especially as they pertain to the intersection of 116 and Hunter Ridge given the traffic levels The Hope Church project will create along with the looming Bell weather traffic this proposal only makes what's going to be a dangerous situation worse with the added traffic from many new properties and vehicles along with the water treatment plant traffic as much as we are all tired of construction noise we also have significant concerns about pending financial costs obviously Water and Sewer will be brought to these new properties none of those cost should be born or shared by existing residents as our properties will not be impacted or improved the road itself has already been beaten down by construction equipment over time and intentionally neglected maintenance by the city I pre previously shared pictures with Council of excavators and steel track equipment tearing up the road surface we need to be sure that current residents don't participate in any assessment for cost that will most likely be necessary after the equipment for this project further damages the road the in tangible costs of this project to existing residents are unfortunate at best and very few of them can be controlled the items that counil can control are the adherence to existing lot standards and also the downstream finan costs previously mentioned I ask the council hold the applicant to compliance with the current zoned lot size standards the Bell weather and Hope Church conglomerates already provide tremendous population density for this corner of cour I also request counil ensure that existing residents do not wind up being financially penalized for any aspect of this project be it water sewer Road sidewalk or any other changes that this will create thank you thank you and I will just want wanted to add one thing and we we'll get into the discussion on it um it'll come up more but I know one thing that will come up is um the application as presented has a certain density and one thing that I'm going I'm sure the applicant is aware but I I will be bringing up is met council is going to be voting on February 12th um about what their 2050 plan densities are going to be and right now we have the potential option in certain areas to add under three units for some properties which this would fall into as as drafted if they change it to four that may no longer be an option for corpin so is something to to be aware of um I appreciate that then the discussions we had I mean basis the lot sizes as the current zoning stands it's not a problem but they get what they want it's going to be a problem right and we've already we're already you know sorry my opinion but we're dense enough with B weather and Pope church so then then it might come down to an issue of uh if it's possible to do and that kind of gets that site specific of can you get the those lot widths as is on a four unit minimum and I don't know yet but just wanted to share concern so thank you appreciate it thank you okay anyone else wanted to speak on these two no okay then we we will start with 7A which is a Anda or a plusa tree landscape concept [Applause] plan am thank you the first concept plan tonight uh the applicant is a and a tree land tree and Landscape LLC the location of the site that they would like to discuss is no is known as Outlaw a of kinimi Meadows it's near the southwest corner of County Road 18 and County Road 10 it wraps around the Public Works facility and then Rush Creek runs along the east border of the site the concept plan has a number of uses that they'd like to discuss uh one of the one of the primary uses being the yard waste a yard waste recycling facility parking and exterior storage for their business and then leasing parking and EXT exterior storage to other businesses uh on the concept plan they're also showing space for a tree farm potentially two buildings in the future but at this time there would be no permanent buildings proposed there is a temporary gate booth that would be um envisioned at the outset of the project and then then the southwest corner of the site they have it marked for potentially as a future subdivision okay so this is is the concept plan um I don't care the laser so right now they are proposing access to be just north of the Public Works building uh or site and going into a yard waste recycling facility here and then parking in storage space um here closer to the creek uh the tree farm is located right about here uh they have two potential building locations for in the future up here on the northwest portion of the site and then down here they have it noted for a potential future separate user in the southwest corner the current land use designation for the site is rural a residential and it is currently zoned rural residential the uh proposal would have to lead to a comprehensive plan Amendment to regu the area to rural service commercial and a rezoning to the rural commercial District uh the the currently we should note though that the following uses are not allowed in the CR district and so a zoning ordinance Amendment would be required for a concept the concept plan to move forward as is to specifically allow a yard waste recycling facility uh a parking lot and exterior storage without a principal structure and then leasing parking and exterior storage space to business owners that are not tenants of a building um and then um this one it's a little unclear they said that there'd be a temporary gate Booth um and then eventually the idea is there would be a e either a code or a card to be able to pass the gate for users so that you wouldn't need that gate booth in the future um we do have an iup process for a temporary structure that is not used for habitation but it cannot exceed a period of one year so it's just a little unclear if they would need more than that um so just something to keep in mind that that might also lead to an adjustment um I will add that the kemi metals Outlaw was what is now the outlaw a of K had been discussed for a potential commercial development with Nate kieri as part of several concept plans he brought forward with Kieran Meadows at that time the council was generally supportive of the idea of exploring commercial development on in this property um additionally portais are proposed prior to construction of a permanent building for facilities uh no timelines provided as to an permanent building is intended to be constructed so they'd be there on a semi-permanent basis the lot uh as is without any subdivision does meet and exceed all of the district standards the temporary gate Booth location that was roughly proposed it didn't really have an outline just kind of a general area circled uh it looks like that could comply with any setback that be required currently there are no standards in code to regulate the height and setback of stock piles specifically for a yard Wass facility and otherwise uh the narrative notes that the proposed Wood Recycling area is more than 300 ft away from Residential Properties and the plan looks to comply with the impervious coverage maximum in the CR District um there is an additional overlay though because of the creek it the property a lot of the property is within the sherland overlay that district has an impervious coverage limit of 25% but in more data would be needed to confirm whether the proposal complies with this limit there are large parking areas closed within the Shoreland overlay area so it's something that we would need to evaluate if it moves forward the parking areas you said yes well yeah the parking areas um are in the shorel Overlake gotcha um and it might be might be a little bit of it's all aggregate um but I I have to I don't have a great zoom in of the picture but let's see here the Shoreland overlay I believe is this line right here so goes quite a bit into the property where they're proposing some aggregate to Ser service their needs okay so we just need to so basically the area that's in the sherland overlay has a 25% limit that we' have to confirm um again stock piles are not regulated within the current surland overlay ordinance so it's something that is up for discussion tonight um exterior store and and just to clarify the stock piles would be a necessity for a yard wasas facility mhm um and then exterior storage is a one of the although sorry to interrupt would we have the ability to potentially if we were in favor of it to put some uh guiding rules on that's why I'm calling it all I think we would want to have we want to consider that if we were move forward um so for the exterior storage component the concept plan and narrative appears to group in exterior storage with the labeled parking areas city code has different standards for parking versus exterior storage other businesses are required to clearly Define and delineate what space is to be used for parking versus storage uh so some of the different standards that come into play is there is a higher level of screening required for exterior storage so the at this point um to comply with code they would need to clearly Define what is going to be exterior storage versus what is parking um and then keeping in mind that Vehicles parked for more than 72 hours are considered storage and so that gets to be a little complicated um just knowing the seasonal nature of the applicants landscaping business it seems likely that vehicles in the winter could be stored for over 72 hours so I think some guidance on how we'd want to treat that as that part of the zoning ordinance Amendment for this type of use um or would they need to basically treat that as storage even though it's used as parking for nine months out of the year but just understanding how we would want to treat that regarding the parking parking minimums would need to be established for the proposed uses because they're not currently called out in code so that' be part of the zoning ordinance Amendment as well aggregate an aggregate parking lot is proposed so gravel parking lots can be approved in the CR District but they have to meet a list of conditions one of them being that the business operates only nine months of the year no more and the narrative provided by the applicant states that the parking area would be leased and operating year round so that's another area where we would need to discuss either a deviation from those standards um or um a zoning ordance Amendment Landscaping would be required based on the perimeter of the site until a permanent building is proposed and then a buffer yard class D would also be required on the east and south perimeters of the site so that's our one that is the biggest buffer class that we have so it's uh depending on how many plantings they go with I believe it ranges from 30 to 50 feet if I remember correctly and parking and storage areas also require screening which typically is either a fence or landscaping or both uh so location of fencing is not shown on the concept plan but the narrative explains the site will be gated parking It also says in the narrative that parking areas will have a fence of at least 3 feet tall but could be as tall as 12 feet uh and so just calling out that there is a 100 foot setback from County Roads and so and that would apply to fences that are over 4T tall or have an capacity of more than 50% that can be reduced to 60 ft with additional Landscaping without a variant uh and fence is over 7t tall must meet all building seat requirements for the CR District um access is uh one of the bigger concerns in the staff report from an engineering and uh henan County perspective so the concept plan proposes a pave access into the site just north of the Public Works access that exists today the engineering memo states that the development shall provide a new public roadway north of the public work site and connect the public work site to the new roadway this is consistent with the previous discussions held as part of the concept plan for carrying Meadows and then henen County also recommended in their memo that left and right turn Lanes be a part of this project to accommodate anticipated TR traffic for the proposed uses there also is a concern that the gate will lead to a queuing issue on County Road 19 so they want the gate push back as far back as possible so again that'd be something we'd have to evaluate further a circulation plan was requested by public safety and henan County to understand how the site would work a bit further and then uh it is unclear with what is currently provided how access would be be provided to the tree farm area in the northeast corner so that would have to be part of that circulation plan and then the second access for the southwest corner of the site is subject to approval by hennipen County if it's not approved it was noted in the staff report that a p the public roadway required for the northern access would need to be extended through the site to serve in each subdivision um uh another component is the the noise that from the proposed equipment can be loud and ongoing um The applicant's Narrative States intention to utilize soft Evergreen sheets to absorb noise I'll get to a summary of the items to discuss but part basically I'm calling this out is is there additional strategies we would like to see in addition to Landscaping to absorb noise um the trail there is a existing Trail easement that was established as part of caran Meadows it was Field located through the site but has yet to be constructed and that's still is required to be constructed there is significant tree removal anticipated with the construction of the trail uh and then the concept plan is just noted that it's not in the trail the current location of the trail on the concept plan does not aligned with what we have and the easement um so for next steps for the applicant should they decide to move forward the uh there'd be three land use applications the first one would be a land use application for a comprehensive plan amendment resoning to rural commercial and a zoning ordinance amendment to add the proposed uses to the the rural commercial a second land applic land use application for a preliminary plat because it's an outlaw it has to be platted before it's buildable and developable so before we can approve um basically a site plan and a conditional use permit that needs to be turned into a buildable lot um or a developable lot so the preliminary plat I plan potentially a conditional use permit and interm use permit depending on how a zoning ordinance Amendment addresses the uses and potentially a variance if there's an area where we just want to do a one-time deviation and then the land use application for a final plat um and Watershed approval from there of a city proof final grading in storm water plans so summary of discussion items for the council to consider first question really is there support toide and reone the property to allow for commercial development as I said there was previous discussions that said there was a general openness but we do have new council members so would like to get a gauge on where we stand today with that second is there support to amend the rural Comm rural commercial to allow some or all of the proposed uses not currently allowed within the district specifically the yard waste recycling facility and a parking lot without principal building if so it' be helpful to get a gauge on whether we would allow that by right or we want to look at a conditional use permit or an interim use permit uh also standards to consider for stock piles and parking our and then also are protop poodies acceptable on a semi-permanent basis if so are there any standards that we should apply for screening or things of that nature third is the leasing of exterior storage and parking space for vehicles and equipment to other companies acceptable without other businesses being a tenant of a building on the site uh for feedback on how to treat parking areas that may turn into storage areas during winter months is there is support to deviate from the gravel parking lot standards to allow a year- round operation with an aggregate parking area are feedback on proposed no on the proposed noise mitigation strategies and is there support to reopen discussions on the proposed trail location uh so the recommendation is for Council to provide as detailed feedback as possible to the applicant on the concept plan the feedback is non-binding while it's nonbinding in nature it is used by the applicant and staff to help guide the application as the proposed project moves forward okay yeah we might have you go back and forth through a few different slides depending on questions that any questions for Natalie to start just real quick uh originally Natalie um everything they're asking for isn't the way this property is guided right now correct nothing is so a complete rewrite of the way this property was I don't believe any of the uses are in any of our okay correct y So currently the property is is guided and zoned for residential um and agriculture uh so that in itself would need to change and then we'd also have to change the district uses to allow what's currently being proposed thanks anything else I'll make a quick comment I I I do not support this um I think that it's the the app 's responsibility to submit a plan that conforms to city code and it's not this council's role to rewrite city code to accommodate a single applicant so just just because this application does not conform I will not support it sure thank you anyone else just also Mr Mayor with that we had somebody interested with some type of concept plan essentially doing the same kind of such and they were residents of the city which part of it the the the recycling the composting and such of of wood and and those kind of things and we I believe said note of that and that was uh off a streer road in the southwest corner of town here um we had no support of that previous council member bota was is very much against composting and those kind of things and I think it's something that I agree with council member B previously is we already have a compost site and that's the henan county site over by Target um in Maple Grove um not properly how can I say it the way I've deep dived into this and such it takes an enormous amount of work to make these kind of sites organic recycling decompos the decomposition of the wood and those kind of things create an odor that nobody wants to be around um many of the neighbors are mentioning those same concerns and such and again the guide of this property and what we originally talked about um with the three previous Council mayor council members and again Natalie brings up a good point we've got two new council members on on the DI here that uh we are in favor of changing this but not into something like this so I I agree with council member lanterman and the same thing I'm I'm not in support of something like this gotcha Michelle to do it I agree I wouldn't be in support of it either gotcha anything else you wanted to add or I just wanted to make sure it was wasn't cutting you yeah oh no no that's all you um um yeah I I I tend to agree with what the three of you had said I the recycling one I know we had looked at a similar um application elsewhere and I think that's that's a fair point that there wasn't support of it there and it does raise its own issues to me that was the one that I don't know if this is the site for it but maybe in the right site I could I could see there's maybe a need for it or a uh some desire for it uh in the community um again it's it can be tricky the other ones the the parking and storage use I have a lot of concerns with that just kind of um essentially seems to me like a paid or or for for lease for rent lot for storage or for parking um which we don't allow anywhere in our code uh if I'm stting that correct I believe no so only similar thing I could find was um dolinski there there is um school buses that got approved to be able to park there but they do have office space in their building so that's I think where it's a little unusual to have the parking that exterior storage without there being a building and without there being like tenants that have been gone through the site plan approval process gotcha okay which is yeah interesting but but kind of a limited um uh are you with the applicant little bit Yeah would you like to speak when the time comes I will sure come on up leing Council Dan c um representing Aaron and Brad here with an Landscaping um I think what what they're proposing is needed in the area I think you guys mentioned like right now you're using Maple Grove that um land right now is actually you know being listed as for sale or sold and it's on the market to disappear when that does disappear there won't be a spot to bring you know some of the debris and do the recycling and do what what is needed if there is a big storm or something comes through so um that's about all I have and as far as you know the outdoor storage I think that could be scaled back what the applicant maybe is looking for is more of just recycling part of it and you know do it in a in a good in a good manner and make sure that they're going to do the proper screening and the smell is not going to be an issue because think we are out in the country a little bit where there aesome smells and uh that's it basically thank for your time thank you um yeah I guess I would note that there is one more council member um that you know could always reach out to individually who's not here tonight um if he wanted to get his feedback but I think kind of the consensus has been um not support of of the application kind of as it is as a whole um if you wanted to potentially scale that back and you know sometimes it's easier to look at it at uh the totality of something without if you're if you're looking at just the one the one use um and and retooling it maybe it's worth taking another look I'd leave that kind of up to your judgment based on the feedback um what's that can I oh sure so uh here what you're saying you're not a um but the Metro the city can we get your name and address for the record Aaron opman um based out of Rogers on a tree service and landscaping company Perfect um I've been doing this for since I was 12 years old I've watched every place throughout the Metro go through changes every disposal facility every place okay um most times out of the year you Cann find a place to get rid of material it doesn't happen Pig ey goes underwater every year lens Bush closes down Maple roove yard was closes down uh a lot of the places have raiseed their prices to the point where nobody can get rid of debris who does that affect the clients customers why because we have to charge them Tom there isn't a place out in this area to get rid of anything none the closest place from here is going to be Maple Grove to go dump my chip truck at Maple Grove is $280 and it's only an 18 yard truck to go to to go to lens Bush rose gardens about 55 and 101 you want to get rid of a grapple truck load there it's 550 bucks these places have ran the prices up because there is no place to do anything there is no place to bring it three times out of the Year lens Bush Rose Garden shuts down their capacity Maple grow turns people away because there are capacity there isn't many places left there it's dwindling and if a major storm was to affect this area say a storm came through and wiped out thousands of trees where's all that going to go you going to leave it sitting on every city street from here to Burnsville until you guys can find an acceptable disposal site because there isn't going to be one just with normal tree work we fill up every disposal site in Metro there isn't much left now I know that you know you guys look at the plan and you guys see that there's some concerns with it I can understand that I get that but all these companies that work in these areas too they've been pushed out of every parking spot every place they've been able to lease every place they've been able to put their equipment and store anything to Nowhere there is no place left these places are looking for options and they don't have them because no City will allow them anymore now I get that I understand that but at the same time we're talking about some trucks and Equipment sitting on the back side of a property that nobody's going to be able to see there's trees there's going to be a fence and it's a long ways from the main road there isn't much for option if I was to truck my equipment to all of my employees houses every day just so that we had a way to move around and get equipment done and get things done um every city be starting to Rite tickets because there's going to be a 20 yard trucks with chippers and you know 100 feet of truck and trailer sitting on every side Ro nobody's going to allow that either there isn't a lot that has potential for options like this I've read over a lot of what you guys are looking out here I've read over this even Hanahan county is saying we're in need of this so I don't know if there's another site you guys have in mind but this is something we've been looking for for five years okay and I know for a fact you're not going to find this east of here it'll never happen if you're not grandfathered in these same privileges don't come through do you have other sites that you manage that in the area of of the same similar use no I did okay no but I've been so I've been in the in landscaping business since I was 12 years old gotcha I've been to every site from here to Georgia to I've been all over the place most of my life I spent my younger years on the road doing tree work gotcha I've traveled to Major storms you know and Augusta Georgia North Carolina South Carolina you know they're still trying to find places to put tree debris because there's no place to bring it there's no place to process it they don't have anybody they're running into the same problems we're running into here we're trying to get ahead of that gotcha we have had big storms here we have had lots of trees go down just last year we had how many storms I have customers that were calling me going hey we've got a tree on our house from five months ago we haven't been able to get a hold of anybody that's because some of these people can't go to work there's no place to store anything there's no place to put any debris so residents are being stuck with debris on their house or debris on their garage or a whole Tree on their house or a whole Tree on their garage because there's nowhere to bring anything once as we take it off the house and they don't want to just left in the yard I know that you know out here there's Farmland there's you know manure being put in the fields there's different chemicals being spread out all sorts of stuff there's already smells in this area I'm not looking to you know say that there's not going to be a little bit of smell from from some mulch sitting on site but I mean we're trying to mitigate it as much as we can with that the parking in those situations okay um let's see just uh down the way here is company down the way here um pardon me since 5 a.m. Midstate Midstate cran they have in they have parking they Park they've got lots of big trucks they're right on the main road okay they've been there a long time and they' you know had that spot for a long time I'm not looking to put a bunch of trucks and stuff right on the front street corner or anything like that I pick the farthest section of the back property for the least amount of noise for the people on the other side of the creek okay now this is to accommodate other tree services other landscape businesses that don't have the luxuries of buying you know a $2 million piece of property to park their trucks up a lot of these companies smaller businesses don't have these options I've been in business for 15 years myself I've struggled with it my entire life finding places to put equipment it's not a feasible option it's just not there's a lot of things in here that I've made notes on and gone over but I literally just got this two days ago got we haven't had much time to review I'm not looking to you know come in and take over an entire area with something that's not a usable purposeful need even hen County supports us because they know just by themselves the amount of ash trees that are coming down right now because of EAB there's no place to put them and the state doesn't allow you to drive them to specific sites because if you drive it outside of a quarantine Zone which people are doing right now gota okay EAD is spreading faster than it's ever spread before because nobody can get rid of anything down here so they drive out of the quarantine Zone to empty their trucks well guess what they bring with it what happens when we get spotted in Lantern flat here it's on the move everybody thinks it's not going to make it here it is it transports on every truck that leaves any one of them zones because there is not a single person out there that is going to lay down under his truck and check every nook crevice and cranny on that truck to make sure there is not a tiny white little pot this big that's carrying a spotted L if those guys end up here it's not just ash trees it's every deciduous tree you can find Goa they're going to eat everything and they so far haven't found a very good way to handle them the amount of uh insects that we deal with in trees you know a lot of people don't know about it so these are things that are of high concern and you know knowing this I know this everybody else in my industry knows this I know you guys are you know not in my industry but these are things that are going to become in high demand and if they run out we're going to be stuck can I ask you a question yeah how how would you ensure that the insects that you're talking about wouldn't be on the product that would come into that facility you're already in the quarantine zones okay so this this area right here if you drive up and down any of these commerci any of these residential roads and you look around you're going to see ash trees that are dying dead you're going to find infestations from here 20 miles that way and all the way up past St Michael actually the quarantine Zone was just updated I haven't looked at the new map but I know it goes even further than that now you guys already have Oak Willet you guys already have Dutch elm's disease not a huge concern with Dutch elm's disease anymore we have more Chinese Elms and American Elms that are a little more resistant now but EAB there isn't anything unless people start treating and with the amount of forest around here there is no treating every tree in this but how do you get rid of the when you bring that product into recycle did they just die in there or do you have to burn them like with fire or like how do you get rid of it so it doesn't just stay in that area Grinders are for okay okay so the the muling the muling equipment that we're looking at is what's known as a shredder tub grinder okay now with uh like our regular chippers okay we have a cutting way cutting depth of about that much okay now EAB is this big okay and it's larvae form it's very skinny it's very squiggly okay it can still live for two years y inside that tree here's the problem chippers don't take care of it Hub Grinders are I think last I read 99% effective at crushing or killing most of the infestation in that tree okay now that's a huge difference between taking a chip truck and dumping it on a piece of property somewhere or taking it to you know um any any other facility that doesn't do tub grinding okay they they have pil sitting for a long time okay now that's not the end of the world right because the gestation period of EAB is well it's almost a whole year so it gives you time to take care of and deep you know get rid of this material at a normal rate as it comes in you're able to run it through the shredder top grinder you're able to take it and move it and you're able to well at that point that addressive so turning it into mulch it would sit for two years make sure the what whatever isn't it is dead to be sold or resold as or would you just get rid of that product so it gets sold as is okay it goes out um and that's what the tub grinder is for so uh the Big Tub Grinders what they do is they'll actually mulch material down and then they go through what's known as a shredder wheel where it takes and it grabs onto the fibers and it rips them okay compressing and ripping them apart now this is where you look at most of the killing happening of the a okay thank you very much appreciate it okay thank you okay can I add a few points uh Bri briefly uh y perfect my name is Bradman I'm operator of out can we get your address please sorry what can we get your address for the record uh come out of Little Falls Minnesota 9207 R Haven Boulevard thank you um I've been working in the city since I was about 13 years old doing tree work travel down here five six seven days a week most time I've done the same thing as him watching all the all the disposal sites just disappeared or the price is getting so high that we can't afford to dump or again that price gets pass passed on to the consumer we're not just looking at creating a wood chip recycling facility we want other options out there we take down large trees large ash trees large oak trees large hickory trees that we would like to process it as something else besides mulch I've been watching this stuff destroyed my entire life when you take a 3 and 1/2t diameter red oak tree down because it's got Oak and you bring it to a site you dump it off and they just turn it into mulch that's a waste we're looking at having more of a green facility instead of just turning everything into a biomass debris that may may emit an odor we'd like to have a sawmill we'd like to do some other things besides just destroying all of our resources so it's not just the parking it's not just the recycling facility it's actually using resources that our companies are taking down in our own backyards and being able to put them back to use you can make cabinets you can make furniture there's so many things you can do with the wood that's being destroyed and just turn and these are options that we'd like to try and make [Applause] available thank you thank you Mr Mayor yeah it's disappointing that none of that is in the presentation is disappointing none of your vision is in this okay it's also disappointing that none of you are local you've spoken that H hennipen county is having issues have you addressed it with hennipen County I'm going to put on my bottom a hat here I am we are not going to become a city of storage facilities and I'm really not in favor of a compost site you talk about Farmers that have been here for a century they've been doing the same thing they've been doing for a long long time that is out of the question as far as the smell that I'll regulate as long as I'm up here on the council there no comparison um I live across from a very active family dairy farm and they stir that slurry and that's the best smell I get neighbors will call me and ask me what I'm going to do about it I politely ask them to move out of Town it it is it that is businesses that is stuff like that what you're wanting to introduce into our western side of our city is a tremendous amount of noise I have as trees that aren't affected I have as trees that I'm treating I'm responsible for and such and you're going to introduce that much closer of these type of beetles and these type of things I'm not going to do that I live a mile away I don't want to hear those kind of things I don't want to see something going up without a building without a vision without some investment that makes it so you're going to be there for a while okay I don't want a Fly by Night Thing coming in and all of a sudden we're having to figure out what to do with a pile of compost we've got one of our Public Works persons sitting in the audience too and I'm hoping I'm speaking um on their behalf too because they're going to be the neighbor of this like we said a while back and again the two new council members that are up here have spoken also we were expecting this to become a development of a commercial type deal and we are willing to make adjustments for that but I don't want to become a compost site I don't want to become a storage facility for everybody else in the henpen County area I'd like to keep our rural side of things that area is something that needs more more planning more things I don't want parking lots I don't want convenience for people there are a number of tree companies that have spent the money that have places to store stuff and do things if the investment is such that you're going to have a building and a plan and those kind of things I'd be more than happy to listen to that but please don't compare to our Farmers we have an existing Crane company that you spoke of that's been there for a very very long time comparing yourselves to them there's no comparison those are local people that have been here a long time and our grandfather in and there's no surprises this would be a huge surprise to a lot of the neighbors out there huge huge huge surprise so I've spoken enough I don't think we need to spend a whole lot more time on it unless you Mr Mayor other council members would like to add I'm all set thank you thank you guys okay and with that I think we will move on to item seven b I promise thanks take care all right thank you Mr Mayor and Council um item 7B tonight is a is the lther subdivision concept plan City file 24-37 um the applicants are Brian and Jackie loother um they're requesting informal feedback on the subdivision concept plan at 10110 County Road 116 the site itself is 9.87 acres and is zoned single family residential one or rsf1 uh in the 2040 plan it is guided uh existing residential and is located within the first stage of the 2040 staging plan the concept plan itself includes 22 single family lots and one out lot uh the applicants plan to uh retain the existing home within uh Lot 12 and the remaining 21 Lots would be single family Villa Lots uh the minimum lot area proposed within the development is um 0.19 acres and the minimum lot width proposed is uh 57 ft uh the estimated net estimated net density of the proposal is 2.83 units per acre um and it proposes two accesses off of um the western edge of Hunter Ridge um examining some of the district standards um again the property is currently zoned rsf1 which is um in the middle column of this table here um the minimum lot or the lot areas proposed with this developments um range between uh 88,200 sare ft to about 39,000 Square ft um so the minimum lot area in the rsf1 district is 20,000 square feet and only two of the Lots within the development would comply with that and so a more um comparable zoning district for what's being proposed would be the rsf3 district which uh has a minimum lot area of 7500 square feet um and all of the proposed Lots within the concept plan would comply with that standard uh the minimum lot width of the rsf1 district is 100 ft four of the Lots would comply with that whereas in the rsf3 district um it allows for narrower lot widths of 65 ft um and 19 of the Lots would comply with that and it would just be um three non-complying lots uh the setbacks are a little bit difficult to measure at this time because the applicants and provided building pad locations um but looking at some of the setbacks from the major roadways namely County Road 16 staff believes that there could be some conflicts with finding suitable building locations um I'd like to highlight um lot one especially I I have a the graphic on the right there shows the in the red line it's kind of hard to see I should have picked more distinct colors the red line on the right is um the 100 foot setback from uh the frontage along 116 and then the purple line is the 60ft setback which can be achieved through additional Landscaping um looking at lot one it is pretty tight to try and fit a building pad there and if applicants are able to explore that more and make it work then we would encourage that but um it's possible they may have to request for variance for that or or try and pursue other options additionally Lot 12 which is the existing Homestead um that to is um a legal non-conforming structure and it appears that um the a variance would probably be needed for that as um the new lot would no longer have that legal protection of the nonconformity uh the project itself since it borders um different zoning districts it would be required to um have a couple different buffer yard class types so the the Northwestern part of the project orders the water treatment facility site which is zoned rsf1 if it if this project were to be reasoned rsf3 then um the areas along the water treatment facility would have to have a a class uh buffer yard and then um the rest of the development that borders the urban Reserve zoning District which is to the north east and south would have to have a b-class um buffer yard uh the density proposed with the um subdivision would be 2 uh 2.83 units per acre that's a typo in the um presentation uh the site is currently guided existing residential which um allows for a density of um one one unit per two acres or 0.5 units per acre um and the proposed density is closer to the conservation residential category which is two to three units per acre um and the council at the end may want to provide some feedback on um potential supports for requests to reu it to conservation residential streets and accesses um The Proposal includes the installation of two streets with connections originating from Hunter Ridge um Street a on the west is AAC that would serve uh five of the lots and then Street B would be a dead end street that serves the remainder lots and um the water treatment facility would um change its access point from County Road 116 to this Road uh staff recommends that these two streets be connected um to be in alignment with the goals of the Northeast District plan uh and additional um additionally um to better provide um um abing kosac uh do cause additional maintenance um with with the underground utilities so um staff prefers that that be looped through to avoid that um additional hurdle uh and Public Safety also um would prefer that these streets Loop through to allow for uh increased uh connectivity when they're um going out on emergency calls in into the neighborhood here uh the design standards has um there's potential impacts to Hunter Ridge with the construction and that would have to be studied further with a formal application as to um what upgrades may be needed um with this application um but newly constructed local streets would have to comply with um the standards of the Northeast District uh in the local streets and the graphic below so just a summary of the issues presented um with the application so far um The Proposal is closer aligned with rsf3 than it is with rsf1 um and the current proposal still does face um a couple challenges with that rsf3 District um namely the lot width standards and um the minimum setbacks along County Road 116 so um Council may want to during their discussion may want to provide some feedback on uh a resoning request rsf3 or um with non-compliant portions of the application they may want to provide some sort of feedback on a potential plan unit development application um if the applicant were to proceed with that um council could discuss potential flexibilities that would be granted with that and and um benefits that could come out of it that would um serve the neighborhood and the surrounding Community uh the proposed density would require a comprehensive plan amendment to conservation residential and Council um should also provide feedback on uh a request to reide it to um that conservation residential uh and again streets and access staff recommends that the two call acts be reworked to form a loop street so the next steps for the applicant if they proceed uh with a formal application would be the preliminary application uh including a preliminary plat a comprehensive plan Amendment and a rezone of the site either through either to a rsf3 or to a a plan unit development if they go with a plan unit development they would be required to um hold a neighborhood meeting and provide feedback from that incorporate and in some form in their final application um and then the final application would be the final plat and final PUD if necessary and then Watershed approval of any City approved final grading and storm water plans so at this point staff recommends that the city council review and discuss the concept plan and provide applicant with any informal comments these comments are not binding um and they uh are advisory only perfect thank you yeah let's uh let's make sure we have no questions for dght first and then we'll toss it to you any questions for d or Mark first and then go back one slide okay so you have option A you have option b where's option C option C would be the applicant resubmits a plan that conforms with the current city code right okay thanks um anything else no no de um Mr Mayor I'd like that addition another option um I also wanted to just real quick address if we can the current residents in that neighborhood if something were to change here from the current guiding and such what repercussions do the neighbors have on their streets um as we all know there's already damage to those streets and I don't think we've done anything to it other than have said we can do a it it's entitled for a overlay right now but with this does this draw any any more Credence or any more things that are going to make Hunter Ridge hooked to bellweather Amberly on a road that we have uh done everything we can to preserve it to be a non- through road which has been sometimes feudal um just those are my questions for the current neighbors and we're talking I believe six Property Owners there um can we address any of those comments that were made tonight about any costs that they're going to have to burden I'm I I would not support anything going on to there under their properties and such um the road obviously there needs to be many improvements done um does this turn that into a through Street once this all starts and goes on those are the questions I have d shaking your head so um so just taking a step back um to councelor lanterman's um points um option C that was provided um unfortunately if they were to proceed with the current uh guidance of the existing residential they wouldn't be able to subdivide the property down any further so I guess that was was omitted from these two options because then they would come through with an application um so so that's that's where that's the the only two options that have been presented so far um to councelor Baron Camp's Point um the question of improving the road and what's included in that I believe our Engineers would have to examine it further just to understand what impacts are caused by the construction and uh we would um obviously have that included within any sort of development contract to um be financially responsible for those improvements um I can elaborate on that a little bit so I think there was a comment related to cost related to sewer and water that would all be on the developer so there wouldn't be any cost so is a sewer and water any of the construction within the site is all the developer we would analyze any impacts to the road uh as part of the preliminary plat this a standard practice for us um so that's kind of the the immediate impacts we still have actually kind of a paused feasibility stud that was approved by a couple I'd have to look back at the dates but probably 18 months ago now that is active and it's part of looking at what we need to do with the rest of the hunters own we still have a intersection improvements to be built next spring both with Hope from The Hope development and the original Bell weather development so we just have a lot of moving parts so that's just kind of been paused we still have to deal with it they're eligible for one free overlay they're on the list that's in assessment policy so a lot of spinning plates as you know part of that conversation of that feasibility study is it will you know what's the highest and best value for the remainder of Hunter's place I'm speaking of between 116 and the bell weather development what's the best value we would present that to you in any options to you for you to decide I think at that point you can make your use your discretion there would be P formal public hearings in the 429 process they could make their case you could hear their case and whether You' consider any assessments our assessment policy currently if it's more if it's really an overlay or above you know not a seal code not a reclamite if it's an overlay or above if you're not on the free overlay list our current policy says that you would be up for consideration of assessment again that's down the road and we bring that back but that's when we decide the ultimate decision on whether is assessment so um I'll pause and and kind of leave it there if you have follow questions I'd be happy to take just quick I'm sorry I keep stepping on it's okay you sure all right the only qu the the biggest question that sticks out we have done nothing to repair the road from the the trees that have been cut down and those kind of things to take care of the easement for the sewer and water is that correct I mean there was a significant amount of damage to that road I mean we've got a lot of documentation of what's happened out there over the last seven years or six years so we could have all that data uh it gets documented uh and applied appropriately to contracts as applicable um but we haven't done anything to some I don't know exactly which one you're referencing the the the the the when we had to bury the the sewer and water East and such there is a significant amount of damage from metal cleated excavators whatever was used to do all of that clearing and those kind of things to the Road and I don't think we've done anything to correct that as a city right now is that all anticipation of something going to happen those kind of things shouldn't be put back the way it was I mean it was a pretty decent Road up until that kind of traffic that went documented that there's different layers on there I think there was a I mean I have to I'm not prepared for this conversation so we can step I'm trying to give you some context but you know if you have specific questions we can go through through it but a lot of times on those roads if it was a seal coat what you see scraped off is the seal coat so whatever we would do in terms of an overlay like the free overlay or if we reclaimed it and did something greater yeah there was some pretty deep GES that kind of is I don't want to say not as important it becomes less of a conversation so we've documented we've tied it to the contract all burden to the contract we options but I think why it's been paused is it's so many moving pieces it would be worst case scenario if we had move forward with a free overlay and then we have all these impacts happening I agree it's just questions I'm getting from the neighbors yeah fair questions abely fair question of when and we should figure out a way to answer those questions so thank you Kevin very much I'll shut up now Michelle okay thank you I I kind of have a question along the same lines with the road um is this road at the same level as like one of our newer developments which Road Hunters at the same level honestly I don't know as process we would do soil we would do uh geotechnical work that would establish it it's unlikely that it's at the same standard as as our new because because it's a development that's going in there could we require the developer to bring it up to the standards of what our other roads are in other developments we evaluate the Nexus of a development and that is determined through that process so I couldn't speak to it today without doing the study it would depend on the specifics of the development and what that Nexus comes to okay and then my other question is is um and like comparing the setbacks from the road on the rsf3 um how far are the setbacks in t Vera right on the corner of 116 and Hackamore Road there that new one that just went in looks like it's 5T from the road I know it's got to be probably 25 ft that was a p that was a PUD okay and that would be an option here that would be an option yeah theoretically I don't think that's what they're proposed okay yeah and I don't and I I don't think we' want to recreate that no um I don't think it's been very popular with anyone no but that's why the rsf3 would be a nice option I think right because it still allows for some setback but not right on the road MH I got you okay thank you for clarifying anything else no did you want to yes please per good evening mayor member of the council uh my name Jos mcken meor group consultant for Brian and Jackie Lo um they're not able to tonight because they're enjoining Mexico so I just want make sure we're able to get through this process and try to get some feedback from Council tonight so uh D did a great job um with his report uh very thorough um unfortunately the information I provided him had a little bit of air in the in the scale and so some of the kind of deviations that he was indicating that I that our project might need uh you know once I went to AutoCAD realized the error we we don't have a lot of these dimensional deviations that are held in the staff report so council member lanterman your Point's valid like so minimum to expect is that something is to a code in the city of corpin and me to ask you a question of hey do you support me going to that code that standard is a fair standard and something we will certainly uh be doing because I guess what I would say is the whole goal of this concept was to provide a concept that was the minimum amount of density that that the Met Council we think the Met Council would allow frankly um the M the minimum amount of density that you know the site could support from a financial feasibility standpoint and while while complying with the zoning code to avoid the need for a PUD which I think you know is kind of checking a lot of the boxes in terms of fit a zoning code don't ask for a whole bunch of deviations etc etc so we get that I think the the caveat to this one that's makes societ a little bit unique um is that we've got a 100y old farmouse on it that we're not planning on moving or tearing down and so if we're talking about you know deviations or um variance requests I think it would be fair to be related to those structures so that we don't take a piece of History you know away from this site so that we can you know fit a zoning code that occurred after the the house was even there I think that's the request tonight and I just want to go through a couple of the items that were also identified in the staff report to give you a little bit of clarity on what we had intended to provide toight so could you actually go to the plan thank you um I would just say um the idea I mean the bulk of these lots are you know bigger than anything that's on the marketing corkin right now or certainly anything on the newer side in corkrin U from a new development um as DWI mentioned you know the we're proposing is you know almost a fifth of an acre um and certainly that's at this current plan which was um we're showing as 22 Lots but note that on the existing home lot lot 12 would be a potential subdivision of that lot to show it up to 23 lots and depending on what your math is relative to um the net net acreage after wetlands and buffers Etc you know the intent was to basically provide this as three unit per acre development now if we can go into the conservation um land use guidance in fromont of that Council then that provides us one some flexibility to potentially sa some additional trees it pro it provides some other flexibilities relative to offsite you know the Road Connections that the city's requesting and what may or may not be necessary for that um there's a lot that that that flexibility provides while still giving us an opportunity um you know and almost a cap on that density of three units per acre and so I think you know that's what we'd be looking for today is just some feedback of hey is that appropriate um does the city council align with that vision of trying to you know we recognize you have great homes on Hunter Ridge we get it I can't build or no one can build what's out there right now um given you know the realities of a sewer bot the en USA in a plat that's going to go to County it's just it's not feasible um and so what we're trying to do is the lightest possible touch we can uh while still you know all affording the land owner with an ability to subdivide their property knowing that 9.8 Acres uh is a fairly large site in the city of cor um a couple of other things relative to the setback along 116 uh it would be our intent to go to that 60 putot setback um the existing home for example is 80 ft from the from the existing RightWay line noting that there would be a 10 foot uh RightWay dedication and so you'd be at 70 ft off the the RightWay line to the existing home which as I'm mentioning would require some sort of manner of flexibility for buffering in that location where is that which was that one uh Lot 12 lot I really Lots one 2 12 and 13 on this plan would need to be having that reduced setb with additional buffering that's afforded within the itself um we would need to be adjusting a lot lines as as FL mentioned we need to adjust the lot lines in order for that to happen but just note that 100 foot off of 11 16 would impact Ryan's home Brian's Garage you know it would impact existing structures really kind of the you know a main reason for us needing some flexibility in application as well um there's an emergency siren that was that was requested as a part of this project to be cited on this project I would like some discussion or some some feedback as to why that might not be more appropriate on the city owned land just to the north of this project where is it uh there's not a site that's identified the public identified the need for an emergency siren in this area which I think is wholly appropriate in terms of you know wanting to make sure everybody's safe now whether or not it's a good idea for us to find a piece of land you know on this development when this larger facility go just to our north um I would like some maybe some input there um same same with the buffering to the water treatment facility I completely understand it's part of the code it does feel like the water treatment facility came first buffering requirements um given you know the adjacency I think it's appropriate to at least you know let's talk about the need for buffer there or kind of how the city is proposing to buffer from Brian's house not just the other way around um and then depending on the discussion relative to the Met Council and density you know the the desire to link these you know Street a up with that other cuac I completely understand from an action standpoint however what we're doing is creating a lot of additional Street and actually losing lots in order to do it and so I think that's a challenge from you know feasibility standpoint which is I once again completely understand the planning aspects and even frankly the engineering aspects of looking at back toback full saacks but in this case from a trying to hit you know trying to serve multiple Masters here of like the Met Council the city you the market all of these things it's just trying to S of work out about you know what is the most appropriate pathway here to kind of balance all this me so I would look for some feedback for you from you tonight as well I'm here to stand for questions if you have any questions to what our intent was with this I'm happy to you know provide some additional detail um and certainly we'll look forward to your feedback any questions M really quick question um with a call Tock now going to be in the back of that Farmhouse property would that eliminate their access to 116 yes so that's thank you that um so uh one of the things that this that's unique about this plan is uh one the need to provide an access to the water treatment facility um because the water treatment facility as I understand it would also lose its access from 116 um as well as the Loa home as is would lose their access from 116 with this plaque so what we're trying to do is you know we we certainly need to snake a road through the site to water treatment facility it's just how do we add additional you know in this in this scenario how do you add additional Lots on the on in that area and that's really you know C theack provides additional Frontage which allows us to have additional Lots that's kind of the straw string that you um what what also I didn't mention it but one of the things that we're looking at on this site and unfortunately is there's an existing barn on this you know in the location where that c is right now my question thank you for uh thinking about that old bar um I would say uh Brian has looked at that barn and trying to save and preserve that Barn for ever since I've known him um that is a prospect that is multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars unfortunately with just the state of the foundation and some other things so what we're trying to do is work with uh some other folks uh that are looking to develop Inc and poten utilize the the wood or the structure for you know alternative uses whether it be the structure itself or rebuilt removed and disassembled and put back together elsewhere reuse the wood in some sort of certain Municipal project we're trying to get creative with what that would look like um and so you know TVD on what that would end up being but that's our intent is to try to get Crea for that because you know Brian's home is over 100 years old um you know the barn is I'm not sure exactly how old it is that's right up there probably older than the the barns were built first and and so we recognize as a piece of history as well and certainly are not going to you know light it on fire and see what happens it's it's really you know certainly a part of this as we move forward to determine maybe how how we can use that you know creativity go ahead I was just going to say of the request I think I don't want to speak for Council but I I think um I I can think of the the method maybe we'd do it off hand but I think there would probably be a a desire for Council to try to find a way to help preserve the barn um in with any application or with any development that that did happen preserve or or I mean to let you maintain the barn so it could be repurposed elsewhere or if they wanted to keep it there or give you basically not require it between yeah we don't want to see I would say yeah I'm working on it I'm I I feel like I wish I could share more information in terms of what the real plan was because I think you'd be pretty excited about it but um it's still something we're working on in terms of you know trying to figure out a very unique way to kind of use this and kind of display as a piece of corporate history so cool we feel that it's super important cool so why would you have to get rid of or why do you have to put a lot there I guess is my question right now when we were when we were originally laying this out there we were not necessarily looking at a M the conservation sorry thank you um conservation residential guidance it was more of a true you know single family residential guidance which starts at three units per acre on the net and so this was laid out if you divide 23 by you know 7.7 23 by 7.77 it's three and change so the idea was to hit that three minimum with you know are showing a future subdivision you know Lot 12 to basically indicate to the Met Council hey it's not three units right now but it has the capability to be and it would would basically fall within that real now what Dwight's report does a great job of is identifying a potential alternative option here which is you know looking at a lower compant density to get us between two and three that does a couple things you know it looks at you know some of these Lots get larger we you know we have a lot of engineering work and a lot of to do in terms of what this looks like maybe that pond needs to get a little bigger or shift around like that flexibility would be something I think we find valuable while still preserving what is our the most we'd ever do which is three units per acre in terms of the ability to do it so this council is okay with a conservation residential guidance I think it's appropriate then we can rework the plan and work with City staff to determine you know the appropriate access locations how we can kind of meet a couple of these other comments held with their report um like I that would be the intent anyway like I was saying earlier I'm I'm generally supportive of that as it you know is less density and and less impact to the uh surrounding neighbors um my concern with it is just going to be what's going to happen with met Council here in three weeks two weeks so Mr two weeks just to speak to that even if they once they adopt the 2050 framework we have a couple years before we have to meet yeah we would have a couple years before because the four units AG we do but do we want we might just have to evaluate how much we're wanting to yeah no I think that that's a fair question and part of the evaluation absolutely but just so you know it's not like when they adopt that framework right it's not it's not immediately everything has to come in a four we have a couple years to work through a plan and get something officially adopted if they change it to four it would it would i' maybe have a hesitancy that we' want to evaluate some stuff first before moving forward on it just because we don't know what how how big that impact changes our numbers sure I think so perfectly valid I think the for us then is you know trying to preserve a plan that's as close to three as possible has a fe has the ability to give it three so that you have some alternative to say you know hey it's not this conservation designation it's single family three is the current regulation single family you know it's it's a little bit it's a more palatable situ I really truly feel you're going to be in somewhere between 2.5 and three no matter how we slice this just how that goes come on the question really ends up being is like I think what you're getting at is trying to offset that density loss on this site um I think there might be some members of the audience that might say we already you know we're doing that across the street but I can also understand where you're in your position of saying you know Council might not look at it the same way so I I fully understand your you know the kind of pros and cons you're trying to weigh on the density side appreciate it um so yeah and that's one thing I the February 12th supposedly is the day that that is a decision is being made from what I hear on me Council so and for the public if you want to tune in to a really fun meeting uh Mech Council uh Committee of the whole I believe or it's just the Met Council general meeting uh February 12th they'll be voting on whether or not it's three units per acre minimum or four units per acre minimum and it should be a close vote so we'll see um with uh with that using the comments from a previous council member why do we have to abide by the Met Council we've never had that answered what repercussions happen if we don't abide by the Met Council I I don't have a a good answer for I mean there have been cases yeah there's a couple cities that have been sued by the Met Council and a Bloss for not being in compliance and then they basically got wow taken over