. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE AND WELCOME. I WILL CALL THIS BLOOMINGTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER TONIGHT IS MONDAY, OCTOBER 20TH, 2025. THANKS TO EVERYBODY JOINING US HERE IN THE CHAMBERS AND EVERYONE WATCHING ONLINE. WE WILL START OUR MEETING AS WE ALWAYS DO IF YOU ARE ABLE PLEASE STAND REMOVE ANY HEAD COVERING AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL . ONCE AGAIN, WELCOME TO EVERYONE AND THANKS FOR JOINING US TONIGHT. THANKS. COUNCIL, FOR BEING HERE. I'LL START BY SAYING WE ARE DOWN TO FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS TONIGHT. THIS IS I THINK AS LOW AS WE CAN GO AND STILL HAVE A MEETING MISSING COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS OF FAMILY EVENTS AND TRAVEL AND SO ON. SO BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR BEING HERE TONIGHT AND MAKING THIS MEETING HAPPEN. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS COUNCIL IS TO TALK THROUGH OUR OUR AGENDA FOR TONIGHT AND OUR AGENDA INCLUDES AN INTRODUCTORY ITEM. ITEM TWO IS THE OATH OF OFFICE FOR OUR NEW CITY MANAGER. UNDER ITEM THREE OUR CONSENT BUSINESS COUNCILMEMBER NELSON HAS HER CONSENT AGENDA TONIGHT WE HAVE THREE ITEMS ON OUR CONSENT BUSINESS ITEM FOUR HEARINGS, RESOLUTIONS AND ORDINANCES. WE HAVE TWO RESOLUTIONS THAT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT RESOLUTION AWARDING THE SALE OF TAXABLE COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENT BONDS SERIES TO 2025 D AND A RESOLUTION AWARDING THE SALE OF GENERAL OBLIGATION PERMANENT IMPROVEMENT REVOLVING FUND BONDS OF 2025 SERIES 57 UNDER OUR ORGANIZATIONAL BUSINESS AND ITEM FIVE A COUPLE OF STUDY ITEMS A STUDY ITEM ONE ON THE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING PHASE TWO THAT'LL BE ITEM 5.1 AND THEN ITEM 5.2 THE RESULTS OF A STUDY THAT WE'VE DONE ABOUT OUR FINANCIAL RESERVES AND COREY CARLSON WILL BE LEADING US IN THAT. THEN WE'VE GOT TWO DISCUSSIONS THE 2026 THROUGH 2035 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN DRAFT AND ITEM 5.4. WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE OUR ONGOING BUDGET DISCUSSIONS. WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM OUR EXTERNAL SERVICES TEAM THAT INCLUDES COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PARKS AND REC, PUBLIC HEALTH AND PUBLIC WORKS AND ARE WILL ALSO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT OUR UTILITY RATES AND WE'LL BE HEARING FROM FOLKS FROM OUR UTILITY TEAM. WE WILL FINISH UP WITH COUNCIL POLICY ISSUE AN UPDATE AND THEN ADJOURN HOPEFULLY WELL IN ADVANCE OF 9:00 THIS EVENING COUNCIL UNLESS THERE ARE ANY CHANGES OR ADDITIONS OR ANYTHING I WOULD MOVE APPROVAL OF TONIGHT'S AGENDA AS STATED. SECOND MOTION IN A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER CARTER FOR APPROVING TONIGHT'S AGENDA AS STATED NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES FOUR ZERO AND WE HAVE AN AGENDA. OUR FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING IS THE OATH OF OFFICE FOR OUR NEW CITY MANAGER MR. ZACK WALKER. SO I'M GONNA INVITE YOU DOWN TO THE PODIUM AND TO TAKE THE OATH OF OFFICE. I GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND REPEAT AFTER ME. >> ISAAC WALKER. ISAAC WALKER. DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR. I DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION . THAT I WILL SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF THE UNITED STATES AND OF THE STATE OF MINNESOTA AND OF THE STATE OF MINNESOTA AND FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE AND FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE OF CITY MANAGER OF THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. >> OF THE CITY MANAGER OF THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON IN THE COUNTY OF HENNEPIN IN THE COUNTY OF HENNEPIN AND STATE OF MINNESOTA AND STATE OF MINNESOTA TO THE BEST OF MY JUDGMENT AND ABILITY TO THE BEST OF MY JUDGMENT AND ABILITY THANK YOU. THANK YOU . WELL CONGRATULATIONS ZACH AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. WE'RE THRILLED TO HAVE YOU HERE. FOR FOLKS WHO ARE WATCHING AND WHO ARE TUNING IN, ZACH IS OUR OUR FOURTH CITY MANAGER IN THE PAST 50 YEARS 60 YEARS I BELIEVE BLOOMINGTON IS A LONG HISTORY OF LONG TERM CITY MANAGERS WHO DO OUTSTANDING WORK AND YOU'RE NEXT IN LINE. I KNOW YOU JOIN US FROM INDEPENDENCE, MISSOURI AND COME WITH A WONDERFUL BACKGROUND THAT MATCHES WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR IN A CITY MANAGER. IT WAS A NATIONWIDE SEARCH. WE WE WE HAD A NUMBER OF OUTSTANDING CANDIDATES AND SETTLED ON ZACH AND WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE YOU HERE AND LOOKING FORWARD TO WHAT WE'RE ALL GOING TO ACCOMPLISH TOGETHER BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A TEAM SPORT AND WE'VE GOT A FANTASTIC TEAM HERE IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON AND VERY HAPPY THAT YOU ARE HERE. SO WELCOME AND IF YOU COULD PERHAPS YOU COULD LET FOLKS WHO ARE WATCHING OR WHO ARE HERE IN THE CHAMBERS GIVE THEM A LITTLE BACKGROUND ABOUT WHO YOU ARE AND WHAT MAKES EVERYTHING TICK INSIDE YOU AND WHAT YOU HOPE TO ACCOMPLISH HERE AS BLOOMINGTON CITY MANAGER. WE'LL BE GLAD TO, MAYOR AND THANK YOU AGAIN, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. IT'S CERTAINLY VERY EXCITING AND VERY HUMBLING TO STEP INTO THIS ROLE AND TO BE PART OF SUCH A WONDERFUL COMMUNITY AND TO BUILD UPON THE SUCCESS THAT YOU'VE ALL HAD. I DO WANT TO GIVE SPECIAL THANKS BEFORE I TALK ABOUT MYSELF TO YOUR WONDERFUL DEPUTY CITY MANAGER IS ELIZABETH AND KATHY HAVE KEPT THINGS MOVING REMARKABLY WELL DURING THIS INTERIM PERIOD. THE CITY STAFF WHO HAVE CONTINUED TO DRIVE PROGRESS FORWARD IN THE CITY AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH EVERYBODY AND BUILDING UPON THOSE RELATIONSHIPS AND SUCCESSES. SO FOR MYSELF, ZACH WALKER COMING TO YOU FROM MISSOURI FROM INDEPENDENCE WHICH IS PART OF THE KANSAS CITY METROPOLITAN AREA I HAVE BEEN IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS NOW. THE PREVIOUS NINE YEARS WERE SPENT AS CITY MANAGER FOR THE COMMUNITY OF OF INDEPENDENCE, MISSOURI PERSONALLY MARRIED AND TWO CHILDREN AND MY FAMILY AND I ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING INTEGRATED HERE INTO THE BLOOMINGTON COMMUNITY BEING A PART OF ALL THE MANY WONDERFUL THINGS IT HAS TO OFFER, TOLD THE MAYOR EARLIER TODAY MY DOG AND I HAVE BEEN EXPLORING THE COMMUNITY THIS PAST WEEK WHILE WE GET ACCLIMATED AND MY FAMILY IS IN TRANSITION UP HERE BUT REALLY JUST EXCITED TO BE A PART OF WHAT'S CLEARLY A VERY SPECIAL COMMUNITY AND WORKING WITH ALL THE WONDERFUL PEOPLE ON THIS DAIS AND IN THIS COMMUNITY TO CONTINUE TO MAKE THIS PLACE SPECIAL. >> WELL, WE'RE THRILLED TO HAVE YOU. WE REALLY ARE AND THRILLED TO HAVE TO BE MOVING FORWARD AFTER NINE MONTHS, TEN MONTHS SINCE WE'VE SINCE OUR PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER MOVED ON. AND SO TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO MOVE BLOOMINGTON FORWARD AS YOU SAID AND I'M JUST LOOKING FORWARD TO TO ALL WE HAVE TOGETHER AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING WORKING TOGETHER. SO COUNCIL ANYTHING TO ADD HERE THIS EVENING? VERY GOOD. WELL, WELCOME ABOARD. THANK YOU. THE FORMALITIES ARE OVER. YOU'RE NOW PART OF THE TEAM AND OFF WE GO. SO WELL DONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. FIRST THE NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS ON OUR AGENDA IS THE CONSENT BUSINESS COUNCIL MEMBER NELSON HAS OUR CONSENT AGENDA. COUNLMEMBER NELSON. YEAH. THANK YOU MAYOR. I AM JUST GOING TO SEE IF ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING THAT THEY WANT TO HOLD HERE IN NONE I WILL MOVE ITEMS THREE ONE THROUGH THREE THREE SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER NELSON SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER CARTER TO ACCEPT TONIGHT'S CONSENT BUSINESS AS STATED NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES FOUR ZERO. THANK YOU MUCH COUNCILMEMBER NELSON MOVING ON TO ITEM FOUR HEARINGS, RESOLUTIONS AND ORDINANCES WE HAVE TWO AS I SAID TWO RESOLUTIONS. ECONOMY SHOULDER IS GOING TO BE HERE GOING TO LEAD US FIRST THROUGH THE RESOLUTION AWARDING THE SALE OF TAXABLE KIP ON SERIES 2025 THE IS ECONOMY SHOULDER. GOOD EVENING WELCOME AND YOU KNOW I MIGHT ASK STAFF AS YOU AS YOU COME UP TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF ONCE AGAIN SO THAT I CAN PUT A NAME TO A FACE AND WE CAN START TO NORMALIZE THIS A BIT THAT'D BE WONDERFUL. >> GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL. BEFORE I GET STARTED ON THE ITEM I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT JULIE EDDINGTON, OUR BOND ATTORNEY FROM Q TECH ROCK IS ONLINE AND ELIZABETH BERGMAN, OUR MUNICIPAL ADVISOR FROM BAKER TILLY IS ALSO ONLINE. SHOULD YOU HAVE QUESTIONS THAT I CAN'T ANSWER? SO THE FIRST ITEM BEFORE YOU IS AWARDING THE SALE OF THE TAXABLE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BONDS SERIES 2025 D IN AUGUST OF THIS YEAR THE COUNCIL DID AUTHORIZE THAT WE COULD SELL UP TO $3.3 MILLION IN THIS CATEGORY AND FOR THIS THIS IS FOR THE ACQUISITION OF LAND FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS FLEET GARAGE. THE CITY PURCHASED THE LAND ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO AND THIS THESE DOLLARS ARE HERE TO REPAY THE CITY'S FACILITY FUND THAT UPFRONT AND THOSE COSTS. SO BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS THE 20TH AND WE'VE GONE THROUGH THESE SERIES OF STEPS SO THE BOND SALE DID OCCUR TODAY THE CITY DOES HAVE THREE TRIPLES. WE ARE ONE OF 35 TO GOVERNMENTS OUT OF 19,500 NATIONWIDE THAT HAVE THREE TRIPLE A'S AND BLOOMINGTON HAS HAD OUR TRIPLE-A FOR 21 YEARS NOW FROM ALL THREE EACH OF THE THREE CREDIT RATING AGENCIES HAVE VERY SPECIFIC CRITERIA AND WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE CREDIT RATING CALLS THIS YEAR FOR ALL THREE OF THESE RATING AGENCIES AND FITCH WE SCORED HIGH IN THE REVENUE ASSESSMENT CATEGORY AND BUDGETARY FLEXIBILITY AND THESE ARE UNDER THEIR FINANCIAL RESILIENT COMPONENTS IN MOODY'S AREA. THEY INDICATE THAT WE'RE STRONG AND GROWING FULL VALUE FOR OUR PER CAPITA. WE ARE CONSISTENTLY STRONG IN OUR FINANCIAL PROFILE AND WE'RE RELATIVELY LOW LONG TERM LIABILITY RATIO AND S&P THEY IN THEIR CRITERIA THEY MADE COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE A ROBUST AND EXPANDING ECONOMY AND WE'RE IN A FAVORABLE LOCATION IN THE METRO. WE HAVE CONSISTENTLY POSITIVE GENERAL FUND PERFORMANCE SUPPORTED BY ACTIVE AND FORWARD LOOKING FINANCIAL PLANNING WHICH INCLUDES CITY COUNCIL AND STAFF AND THEN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PRUDENT APPROACH TO FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT. SO WE TEND TO BE A LITTLE ON THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE. SO FOR THE LAND PURCHASE AGAIN THE CITY AUTHORIZES UP TO SELL $3.3 MILLION FOR A 20 YEAR TERM THE PROPERTY TAX WILL PAY FOR THE DEBT SERVICE ON THESE BONDS THIS MORNING BASED OFF OF THE BIDS THAT WE RECEIVED, ROBERT PAIRED WELL IT WAS THE LOW BIDDER AT 3.2 MILLION JUST OVER THAT AND THE TOTAL TRUE INTEREST COST ON THOSE BONDS WAS A 4.66 I WOULD SAY A MONTH AGO THAT WAS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF THE MID FIVES AND AS OF LAST WEEK IT WAS IN THE LOW FIVES AND SO WE DID VERY WELL IN THE MARKET TODAY AT A 4.66 AND THE MOTION IS BEFORE YOU ON THESE BONDS THANK IS KIND OF A SHOULDER COUNCIL AND QUESTIONS COMMENTS ON THIS AND IT'S GOOD TO HEAR THE THE FAVORABLE TERMS AND GOOD IS ALWAYS NICE TO SEE THE FEEDBACK FROM THE THE RATING AGENCIES ABOUT THE THEIR COMPLIMENTARY LANGUAGE ABOUT THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON AND OUR FINANCIAL PRUDENCE AND THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING HERE. SO IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO SEE SO COUNCIL UNLESS THERE ARE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS I WOULD LOOK FOR ACTION ON ITEM 4.1 THIS EVENING. COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN I'D BE HAPPY TO TO MAKE THAT MOTION OR MOVE A MOTION AWARDING THE SALES TAX BILL GENERAL OBLIGATION CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN BONDS SERIES 2025 D IN ORIGINAL AGGREGATE PRINCIPAL AMOUNT OF $3,210,000 FIXING THEIR FORM AND SPECIFICATIONS DIRECTING THEIR EXECUTION AND DELIVERY AND PROVIDING FOR THEIR PAYMENT SECOND MOTION AND COUNCILMEMBER LOAN SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER CARTER TOWARD THE SALE OF THE TAXABLE GENERAL OBLIGATION CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN BONDS AND THE PRINCIPAL AMOUNT OF $3.21 MILLION FOR THE COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES FOUR ZERO WELL DONE ON THAT ONE. THANK YOU MUCH FOR THAT. AND NEXT UP IS ITEM 4.2. THIS IS A RESOLUTION AWARDING THE SALE OF GENERAL OBLIGATION PERMANENT IMPROVEMENT REVOLVING FUND BONDS OF 2025 THIS ECONOMY SHOULDER AGAIN MAYOR AND COUNCIL OUR BOND ATTORNEY AND OUR MISCIBLE ADVISOR ARE ON ONLINE AND MOVING FORWARD OUR PEER BONDS ARE NORMALLY FOR THE PAYMENT MANAGEMENT RECONSTRUCTION AND WE NORMALLY ISSUE THEM AND FALL OFF EACH YEAR. AND FOR SERIES 57 THIS IS A TAX EXEMPT BOND ISSUE AND AGAIN FOR THE PAYMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. SO JUST SOME PICTURES OF THAT IN ON SEPTEMBER 15TH WE ADVERTISED AND HELD A PUBLIC HEARING FOR UP TO $7 MILLION OF PUBLIC PEER BONDS WHEN WE WENT INTO THE SET SALE A FEW WEEKS AGO IT WAS DOWN TO 4.5 MILLION AND WE HAD THREE RATING CALLS AND THEN WE HAD SO THE LOW BIDDER THIS MORNING AND WITH THAT AGAIN THE THE THREE TRIPLE A'S THE SAME COMMENTS AS THE LAST ONE. AND SO THE GOOD NEWS ON THIS ONE IS THIS IS A TEN YEAR PROPERTY TAX AND SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS WILL PAY FOR THESE BONDS WITH THAT HIGH AMOUNT OF 7 MILLION WE ARE NOW DOWN TO 2.9 MILLION. WE WERE ABLE TO MOVE THINGS AROUND AND WE HAD FIVE BIDS RECEIVED AND THE REALLY GOOD NEWS WAS THAT IS A 2.8% INTEREST RATE. SO WITH THAT YOU HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE AWARD. THANK YOU FOR THE 2.8. MY GOODNESS THAT'S THAT'S OUTSTANDING. WELL DONE. COUNCIL QUESTIONS COMMENTS COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN JUST A VERY BRIEF COMMENT AND WE SAW BOTH IN THE FIRST ITEM THAT WE JUST PASSED AND THIS ONE HERE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST JUST OUR WONDERFUL FULL FISCAL MANAGEMENT. AND I WANT TO REALLY AGAIN THANK STAFF REALLY YOU KNOW, ON BEHALF OF THOSE CUSTOMERS THAT ARE HERE AND NOT NOT HERE. AND I JUST AGAIN THANKS FOR THIS HARD WORK AND I KNOW WE'VE YOU KNOW, WE'VE JUST BEEN BUILT ON GENERATIONS OF WORK AND SO WE'RE BENEFICIARIES OF THAT AND SO HAPPY TO SEE THIS WORK CONTINUE ON. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN. BUT IT DOES TAKE ALL OF US TO BE FINANCIAL CONSERVATIVE AND PRUDENT ON OUR NUMBERS. COUNSEL ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS IF NOT COUNCIL I WOULD LOOK FOR ACTION. ITEM 4.2 COUNCILMEMBER CARTER SO I WOULD MOVE TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE SALE OF GENERAL OBLIGATION PERMANENT IMPROVEMENT REVOLVING FUND BONDS OF 2025 SERIES 57 AND THE ORIGINAL AGGREGATE PRINCIPAL AMOUNT OF $2.9 MILLION FIXING THEIR FORM AND SPECIFICATIONS, DIRECTING THEIR EXECUTION AND DELIVERY AND PROVIDING FOR THEIR PAYMENT SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER CARTER SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER NELSON TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE SALE OF GENERAL OBLIGATION PERMANENT IMPROVEMENT REVOLVING FUND BONDS IN THE PRINCIPAL AMOUNT OF $2.9 MILLION. ANY FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS HEARING ON ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I. I OPPOSED THE MOTION CARRIES FOUR ZERO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GREATLY APPRECIATED. MOVING ON ITEM FIVE ITEM OUR ORGANIZATIONAL BUSINESS AND ITEM 5.1 IS A STUDY ITEM. THIS IS REGARDING OUR CONTINUED DISCUSSION ABOUT THE MIDDLE MIDDLE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING AND TO GO TO CAST AND IS WITH US. GOOD EVENING. YEAH. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL SO YEAH I'M GOING TO WALK THROUGH JUST QUICKLY TO FIND MISSING MIDDLE I'M JUST WE'RE ALL WORKING FROM THE SAME PLAYING FIELD KIND OF TALK ABOUT THE BENEFITS AND WHY WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT MISSING MIDDLE FOR SO LONG. WALK YOU THROUGH A COUPLE OF POLICY CONSIDERATIONS AND THEN WRAP UP WITH A COUPLE OF DISCUSSION QUESTIONS. SO MISSING MIDDLE ARE OFTEN REFERRED TO AS GENTLE DENSITY HOUSING OR CLUSTERED HOUSING IS HOUSING THAT IF YOU KIND OF THINK ABOUT THE SCALE AND FORM OF HOUSING ON THIS SCALE KIND OF FALLS IN THE MIDDLE BETWEEN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND LARGER APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND IT'S OFTEN REFERRED TO AS MISSING BECAUSE THERE'S JUST AN UNDER SUPPLY OF THESE KINDS OF HOUSING TO MEET THE DEMAND . AND SO A LOT OF THAT IS ATTRIBUTED TO A LOT OF COMMUNITIES IN THE KIND OF POST-WORLD WAR TWO SUBURBAN BOOM JUST OUTRIGHT PROHIBITED DIFFERENT KINDS OF HOUSING. AND SO CITIES REALLY ONLY BUILT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES MAYBE IN SOME CASES A COUPLE OF TOWNHOME DISTRICTS OTHER THEN LARGER APARTMENTS. AND SO THIS IS KIND OF EXPLORING HOMES THAT ARE MULTIPLE UNITS. BUT IN SIMILAR FORM AND SCALE OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME TO TRY TO CREATE MORE DIVERSITY IN HOUSING TYPES AND VARIETY. AND AS I KIND OF TALK ABOUT IN THE NEXT TWO SLIDES WHEN A LOT OF COMMUNITIES ONLY HAVE 1 OR 2 DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING, IT CAN CREATE CHALLENGES TO MEET REALLY ALL OF THE HOUSING NEEDS OF ALL HOUSEHOLDS IN A COMMUNITY. AND SO STAFF HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT MISSING MIDDLE BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IT'S A KEY PRIORITY TO ENSURE THAT BLOOMINGTON CONTINUES TO LEAD IN HOUSING FOR THE REGION. MANY OF THE MINNEAPOLIS FED ESTIMATES THAT ABOUT 18,000 NEW HOUSING UNITS NEED TO BE BUILT OVER EACH YEAR TO 2030 TO MEET THE DEMAND. AND SO WE SEE MISSING MIDDLE AS ONE STRATEGY TO HELP INCREASE THE SUPPLY OF HOUSING . AND AGAIN THESE HOUSING TYPES ARE COMPATIBLE WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND WE THINK THIS PROVIDES A CREATIVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SUPPORT CREATIVE AND CRITICAL INFILL HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES AND IF WE MEET THE GOAL OF THIS PROJECT TO INCREASE THE VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES FOR ALL PEOPLE AT DIFFERENT STAGES OF LIFE, THE THEORY IS THAT WE CAN POSITIVELY IMPACT HOUSING AVAILABILITY AND AFFORDABILITY BUT WE ALSO SEE MISSING MIDDLE AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE FLEXIBILITY AND CHOICE FOR RESIDENTS OR PROVIDE ADDITIONAL HOMEOWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES THAT CAN LEAD TO WEALTH BUILDING AS WELL AS OPPORTUNITIES FOR RESIDENTS THAT WANT TO AGE IN PLACE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. AND ON THE RIGHT HERE THIS IS FROM THE 2019 TO 2023 AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY AND IT ESTIMATES THAT ABOUT 33% OF HOUSEHOLDS IN BLOOMINGTON LIVE ALONE AND AN ADDITIONAL 3,034% ARE FAMILIES WITHOUT CHILDREN. AND SO IF WE KIND OF LOOK AT THAT SCALE OF DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES AGAIN WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN CREATE MORE OPTIONS FOR DIFFERENT HOUSEHOLD TYPES. SO NOT EVERYONE THAT LIVES ALONE NECESSARILY WANTS TO LIVE IN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME OR WANTS TO LIVE IN A 600 SQUARE FOOT STUDIO APARTMENT. BUT A LOT OF TIMES THAT'S THE ONLY CHOICE THAT THEY HAVE. AND SO THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE SOME DIFFERENT HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES TO SUPPORT ALL RESIDENTS. AND IN BLOOMINGTON I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO THE DETAILS HERE JUST MORE REFERENCE AND THERE WE ACKNOWLEDGE AND WE KNOW THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF STATE BILLS PROPOSED AS SOME STATE LEGISLATORS BELIEVE THAT CITIES AREN'T DOING ENOUGH TO ADDRESS THE HOUSING SHORTAGE AND CREATING MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING. SO AGAIN, WHERE WE ACKNOWLEDGE THIS IS HAPPENING, WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE CYCLE BUT JUST WE'RE STILL CONTINUING TO MOVE FORWARD AND THINK ABOUT HOW BLOOMINGTON HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF SET AN EXAMPLE OF HOW IT CAN WORK HERE IN THE REGION. AND SO FOR THIS PROJECT WE STAFF HAS BEEN DRAFTING SOME DEFINITIONS AND PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR THE FOLLOWING HOUSING TYPES TRIPLEXES FOURPLEX DETACHED TOWNHOMES COTTAGE COURTS AND MULTIPLEXES WHICH IN THIS CASE WE DEFINE AS A STRUCTURE THAT HAS 5 TO 16 UNITS. AND SO I'LL GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON EACH OF THOSE IN A SECOND. THE ZONING CODE IS JUST ONE PIECE OF A LARGER PUZZLE TO CONSTRUCT HOUSING BUT IT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE IF WE DON'T ALLOW IT IN THE ZONING CODE IT WON'T BE BUILT. SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ZONING CODE THERE'S IT'S KIND OF EVOLVED OVER TIME BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE SETBACKS DENSITY THRESHOLD WHICH IS OFTEN UNITS PER ACRE LOOKING AT EITHER A MINIMUM OR MAXIMUM FLOOR AREA OR A SITE AREA BUILDING HEIGHT PARKING OPEN SPACE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS AS WELL AS A MAXIMUM IMPERVIOUS SURFACE COVERAGE. AND SO REALLY THE BALANCE FOR FOR STAFF AND POLICY MAKERS IS FIGURING OUT HOW WE HAVE WE CAN SET THESE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS TO MEET THE CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THEY'RE IN. BUT AT THE SAME TIME IF WE DON'T GET IT QUITE RIGHT A LOT OF THESE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS CAN END UP BEING A BARRIER AND HOUSING DOESN'T GET BUILT IN. SO IT'S TRYING TO FIND THAT THAT RIGHT BALANCE. SO HOPEFULLY THROUGH THIS DISCUSSION AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IS OUR ATTEMPT TO TRY TO STRIKE THAT BALANCE. ANOTHER CONSIDERATION TO THINK ABOUT BASED ON PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS THE CURRENT PROPOSAL IS TO ALLOW THESE HOUSING TYPES IN R3R4 AND OUR M 12 ZONING DISTRICTS WHICH ARE KIND OF MORE OF THAT MEDIUM DENSITY ZONING DISTRICTS AND I GUESS THE TRADEOFF OR THE CHALLENGE TO THINK ABOUT IS THAT THIS MAP SHOWS ALL OF THOSE EXISTING ZONING DISTRICTS AND ALL OF THEM ARE CURRENTLY DEVELOPED OR HAVE A PROPOSAL TO BE DEVELOPED. AND SO IF SOMEONE IS INTERESTED IN BUILDING THESE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING TYPES, THAT MEANS THAT THEY WILL HAVE TO REZONE THEIR PROPERTY TO ONE OF THESE ZONING DISTRICTS. A REZONING IS A HIGHLY DISCRETIONARY PROCESS. IT IS AN EXPENSIVE APPLICATION FEE AND THAT THAT CAN BE A DETERRENT OR CREATE A CHALLENGE FOR PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BUILD THIS KIND OF HOUSING FROM APPLYING TO TO BUILD IT. AND SO ONE OF THE DISCUSSION QUESTIONS WE HAVE IS AROUND KIND OF DO WE ALLOW SOME OF THESE TYPES IN THE R-1 ZONING DISTRICT OR WHERE DO WE WANT TO SEE THESE HOUSING TYPES? ANOTHER CONSIDERATION JUST KIND OF KEEP IN THE BACK OF YOUR MINDS A LOT OF CITIES THAT ALLOW MISSING MIDDLE OFTEN HAVE THE BENEFIT OF HAVING ALLEYS TO BE AN ALLEY LOADED STRUCTURE WHERE THEY CAN PROVIDE THE GARAGE AND PARKING OFF OF THAT ALLEYWAY TO REALLY REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE ON A LOT. AND SO THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES IN EAST BLOOMINGTON WHERE THERE ARE ALLEYS THAT WE MIGHT SEE THIS BUT IN GENERAL ARE MISSING MIDDLE THAT WOULD GET BUILT IN BLOOMINGTON IS GOING TO BE WHAT WE CALL FRONT LOADED HOUSING AND SO IT'LL HAVE A DRIVEWAY OFF OF THE PUBLIC OR PRIVATE STREET LIKELY RUN ALONG THE SIDE THE BUILDING TO TO A GARAGE OR SURFACE PARKING BEHIND THE STRUCTURE. AND SO JUST THINGS THAT ARE KIND OF CONSIDERED AS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT SETBACKS AND IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, YOU KNOW IT'S GOING TO LOOK A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN BLOOMINGTON THAN IT MIGHT IN OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE MORE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING TYPES. AND SO I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL THE DETAILS, JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE THINGS ON EACH SPECIFIC TYPE. SO TRIPLEXES AND FOURPLEX WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A STRUCTURE THAT WOULD HAVE EITHER 3 OR 4 UNITS AND CURRENTLY IT'S PROPOSED TO BE IN THE R THREE AND R FOUR ZONING DISTRICT. THERE IS A WE ARE PROPOSING TO REDUCE THE SETBACKS IN THOSE DISTRICTS JUST TO AGAIN CREATE MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR FOR LOTS THAT COULD BE AVAILABLE FOR THIS KIND OF HOUSING AND THEN FOR PARKING WE'RE PROPOSING TWO SPACES PER DWELLING UNIT. WE'RE NOT REQUIRING A GARAGE THERE AND PART OF THE REASON STAFF DIDN'T WANT TO REQUIRE THE GARAGE WAS AGAIN JUST TO ALLOW MORE FLEXIBILITY IN DESIGN. IF WE WERE TO REQUIRE GARAGE IT'S LIKELY YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE MORE SIDE BY SIDE TOWNHOME KIND OF DESIGN WHICH MIGHT WORK ON SOME PROPERTIES BUT IT MIGHT NOT WORK ON ALL LOTS AND SO THESE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF WHERE WE'VE SEEN TWO STOREY TRIPLEXES AND FOURPLEX AS BEING BUILT THAT ALLOW UNITS KIND OF SIDE BY SIDE AND ABOVE AND BELOW ONE ANOTHER. AND SO WE THINK JUST REQUIRING SURFACE PARKING AS THE MINIMUM STANDARD JUST CREATES MORE OPPORTUNITIES AND AGAIN TO SOMEONE WHO'S BUILDING THIS TO MAKE IT MORE MARKETABLE CAN STILL CONSTRUCT A GARAGE. IT'S JUST NOT A REQUIREMENT IN THE CODE MULTIPLEXES AGAIN THIS IS 5 TO 6 UNITS IN ONE STRUCTURE. WE'RE PROPOSING IT IN THE R FOUR IN OUR 12 ZONING DISTRICT AGAIN HAVING A REDUCED SETBACK AND THEN FOR PARKING HERE WE WE'RE MATCHING THE MULTIFAMILY STANDARD AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE A SEPARATE PROJECT ON OUR WORK PLAN RIGHT NOW THAT'S LOOKING AT OUR MINIMUM PARKING STANDARDS KIND OF ACROSS THE BOARD. AND SO WE FEEL THAT PROJECT WILL ALSO HELP ADDRESS OR KIND OF TWEAK THE RIGHT SIZE OR PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR FOR HOUSING. AND SO THIS IS WHERE WE KIND OF LANDED ON JUST AS THE STARTING POINT WHAT OUR MULTIFAMILY STANDARD IS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT IF ANY CHANGES OR WHAT THE NEW MULTIFAMILY STANDARD MIGHT BE THROUGH THAT PROJECT COTTAGE COURTS I WOULD SAY THE KEY THINGS TO REMEMBER HERE IS THAT THE HOUSING UNITS INSTEAD OF BEING ORIENTED TOWARDS THE STREET ARE ORIENTED TOWARDS AN OPEN COURTYARD AND THE INDIVIDUAL COTTAGES OR HOUSING UNITS IN THIS DEVELOPMENT INTENTIONALLY HAVE A MAXIMUM FLOOR AREA TO KIND OF MAINTAIN THAT KIND OF COTTAGE LIKE SMALLER HOUSING TYPE KIND OF STARTER HOME SIZE OF HOUSING. SO WE'RE WE'RE IN THIS PROPOSAL IS TO ALLOW THESE IN R1R3R4 AND OUR M 12 AGAIN HAVING THAT MAXIMUM FLOOR AREA OF 1500 SQUARE FEET AND THEN HAVING A MINIMUM OF ONE PARKING STYLE PER DWELLING UNIT AND THEN THE IMAGE HERE IS JUST KIND OF AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE YOU COULD SEE A POTENTIAL REDEVELOPMENT OPTION FOR KIND OF TWO LOTS ON A ON A CORNER AND HOW YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET LIKE FIVE COTTAGES ON ON A LOT AND THEN FINALLY THE DETACHED TOWNHOME IS I THINK THE KEY DIFFERENCE HERE TO HIGHLIGHT IS THERE REALLY ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOME JUST ON A NARROWER LOT THAN WHAT THE CODE WOULD THE UNDERLYING ZONING DISTRICT WOULD ALLOW. AGAIN WE WOULD PROPOSE THESE IN R1R 3 OR 4 AND R M 12 THE PARKING REQUIREMENT HERE WE MATCHED OUR CURRENT TOWNHOME STANDARD SO WE DO HAVE AT LEAST ONE ENCLOSED SPACE HERE AND THE REASON STAFF ARE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE GARAGE IN THIS SCENARIO VERSUS SOME OF THE OTHERS IS I THINK WHAT YOU TYPICALLY HAVE SEEN BUILT IN THE METRO AND THEN THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A PROPOSAL HERE IN BLOOMINGTON THEY'RE REALLY A GARAGE IS PRETTY STANDARD TO THE DESIGN OF WHAT THESE ARE. IT'S REALLY IF YOU THINK ABOUT AN ATTACHED TOWNHOME BUT INSTEAD OF BEING ATTACHED YOU'RE JUST YOU HAVE A NARROWER SIDE YARD SETBACK AND THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TOGETHER. AND SO AGAIN REALLY AS A STANDARD SINGLE FAMILY HOME JUST ON A SMALLER LOT TO AGAIN MAKE MORE EFFICIENT USE OF SOME INFILL OPPORTUNITIES AND SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF A QUICK OVERVIEW OF OF THE PROJECT AND WHEREE'RE AT. SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OF DISCUSSION QUESTIONS FOR YOU ALL BUT ALSO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU MR. CARSON. I APPRECIATE IT. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. SO WE'VE HAD I KNOW I KNOW THE HRA HAS STATE FUNDING AND THE LIKELIHOOD OF BUILDING A NUMBER OF LOTS IN THE CITY AND I KNOW WE HAVE ST STEPHEN'S HAS THAT SAME SAME MARK SAME MARKS THANK YOU ANY KNOW AND I COULDN'T REMEMBER WHICH ST WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AT ST MARK'S WILL THIS WORK THIS THIS CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HAVING ON THE MISSING MIDDLE INTERTWINED OR WORKED CLOSELY WITH WHAT THE HRA IS PLANNING FOR THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING YEAH MAYOR AND COUNCIL I DON'T WANT TO JUST SPEAK FOR THE HRA BUT I KNOW IN CONVERSATIONS THAT THEY'VE HAD WITH THEM AND WE DO SEE THIS AND THE JURY BELIEVES THIS IS IN LINE WITH THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING. I KNOW ON THE ST MARK'S PROPOSAL I THINK THERE IS AN AT LEAST ONE IF NOT TWO OF THE LOTS PROVIDING DUPLEXES WHICH WE CURRENTLY DO PERMIT IN THE R-1 ZONING DISTRICT IN THE CITY AS A WE I WOULD IMAGINE KIND OF THE DIRECTION WE MIGHT GET HERE IF WE ALLOW SOME OF THESE OTHER HOUSING TYPES THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY THERE FOR THE HRA TO TO TO BE INVOLVED. YEAH YEAH THEN COUNCIL IF I CAN JUST ADD I'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATION WITH THE ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE HRA OR ON THIS TOPIC AND CERTAINLY THE CURRENT PROPOSAL WAS BASED ON CURRENT LAND USE PRACTICE. SO IF THE COUNCIL'S RECEPTIVE TO THESE ADDITIONAL USES THAT DEFINITELY WILL PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO THINK DIFFERENTLY ABOUT THAT PROJECT. >> THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT. AND I DO THINK IT'S IT WOULD BE SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER HERE AND THINK ABOUT FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING WE NEED BUT ALSO I THINK THIS I THINK IF THE CITY USED IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT AND TO DO IT WELL TO TO SHOW THAT I MEAN SOME OF THOSE IMAGES THAT YOU SHOWED ARE VERY ATTRACTIVE UNITS AND TO DO THOSE CORRECTLY AND TO DO THEM WELL AND TO SHOW THAT IT WHAT IT CAN LOOK LIKE I THINK MIGHT HELP FOLKS WHO MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO SEE IN THEIR MIND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE TALKING THIS TYPE OF THING AND THE POSSIBILITIES THAT COULD BE THERE. SO THANK YOU COUNCIL QUESTIONS COMMENTS HERE COUNCILMEMBER LAMENT YOU KNOW GET SOME QUESTIONS YOU KNOW YOU KNOW AS WE LOOK AT THESE DIFFERENT MISSING MIDDLE I'M ALWAYS CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE DONE WITH THE 80 USE YOU KNOW SO LET'S SAY YOU DO A TYPE LIKE THIS DOES THAT EXCLUDE THAT FROM FROM BEING A POSSIBILITY? HOW DO WE HANDLE THAT? YEAH. MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER LOWMAN YEAH. I DON'T KNOW IF WE IN THE CURRENT PROPOSAL WE HAVE THAT ALL FIGURED OUT YOU KNOW I THINK WE WOULD WANT TO KEEP IT OPEN TO ALLOW IF SOMEONE DID HAVE A MISSING MIDDLE TYPE THAT POTENTIALLY THEY COULD GET AN 80 YOU THERE? I THINK IT'S KIND OF WORKING THROUGH ALL THOSE DETAILS AROUND THE SETBACKS AND IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF DOING THAT CALCULATION TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE NOT EXCEEDING THEIR DENSITY THRESHOLD ON THAT LOT . BUT I WOULD SAY NOTHING RIGHT NOW LIKE WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO ALLOWING AN 80 YOU ON THE SAME LOT AS ONE OF THESE MISSING LITTLE TYPES. SO WITH THAT IN MIND LET'S LOOK AT THE COTTAGE BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE ONES I'M VERY INTERESTED IN AND JUST NOT THAT PRECLUDE ME FROM DOING THAT. BUT JUST HOW WOULD THAT WORK THEN WITH THE 80 YOU LET'S SAY I WANTED TO HAVE TWO ON THAT THAT AREA, YEAH. MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER LOHMANN YEAH I GUESS I WOULD REALLY KIND OF DEPEND ON THE PROPOSAL. I CURRENTLY INTRODUCE STANDARDS WE DO HAVE A MAXIMUM SIZE FOR THE 80 USE AS WELL SO YOU KNOW BE IT COULD POTENTIALLY WORK WHERE YOU HAVE A SLIGHTLY SMALLER KIND OF COTTAGE AS PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT THAT MAYBE IS CONSIDERED NEAR TO YOU BUT PROBABLY IN THE COTTAGE COURT EXAMPLE THEY'RE GOING TO BE MORE JUST LIKE COTTAGES VERSUS THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT VERSUS A COTTAGE THAT MAKES SENSE. I GUESS WE'RE MORE MY TROUBLE IS IS WHERE THE WHERE IS THE YARD FOR EACH UNIT OR IS THAT CONSIDERED WE DON'T NEED TO ANSWER THAT TODAY BUT THAT'S THOSE ARE SOME OF THE KIND OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE NOT ONLY I THOUGHT THIS WAS THE BEST EXAMPLE THAT I HAVE FOR SOME OF THOSE OTHER ONES AND HOW WHEN WE START PUTTING THESE THINGS IN TO TWO DIFFERENT ZONING CODES OR ZONING AREAS THAT THOSE CONFLICTS ARE THE THINGS I GET A LITTLE BIT MORE CONCERNED ABOUT AND THAT'S A GOOD THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING IN TERMS OF IF I PUT THAT THERE IN THAT AREA WHAT DOES THAT DO FOR THE REST OF THE YOU KNOW, REST OF THOSE AREAS OR NOT? IT'S NOT A QUESTION ABOUT DENSITY. JUST HOW DOES THAT PRACTICALLY WORK? YEAH. YEAH IN THERE. COUNCILMEMBER LAMANNA MAYBE I'LL JUST ADD UP FOR THE COTTAGE COURT EXAMPLE KIND OF THAT QUESTION AROUND THE YARD. I THINK THE THE INTENTION ON THIS KIND OF HOUSING PROJECT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN THAT REALLY YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY EACH UNIT HAS A FRONT AND BACK YARD LIKE A TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY HOME MIGHT THE INTENT HERE IS THAT YOU HAVE THIS KIND OF SHARED OPEN SPACE AND KIND OF MORE OF A COMMUNAL OPEN SPACE. SO IT'S KIND OF AGAIN JUST LIKE A DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPOLOGY MAYBE IS LOOKING AT IT A DIFFERENT TARGET DEMOGRAPHIC OF WHO WOULD LIVE IN THE COTTAGE COURT AND SO YOU'RE KIND OF HAVING MORE LIKE SHARED SPACE I WOULD SAY VERSUS MAYBE MORE OF A PRIVATE FRONT AND BACKYARD. AND YOU KNOW, I ALMOST DIDN'T WANT TO ASK THIS QUESTION. I'M GOING TO ASK IT ANYWAYS. WE'VE GOT THE RS ZONE THAT'S OUT THERE AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING A DIFFERENT ZONE OUT THERE AND ONE OF MY OTHER COLLEAGUES HAD MENTIONED THAT I WAS CURIOUS IF IF IF STAFF HAD THOUGHT ABOUT IF THE HOME FOR SOME OF THESE WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE IN THAT RS ZONE AS OPPOSED TO THE THE R FOUR ZONE THAT'S OUT THERE OR IF THERE WERE SOME SPLITTING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH THE THE R ONE ZONE AND I'LL JUST JUST FOR AN EXAMPLE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S REALLY GETS ONE OF OUR QUESTIONS AND THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE BEEN THINKING IN THE BACK OF MY MIND IS IF YOU'VE GOT YOU KNOW PARKING THAT'S CLOSER TO ARTILLERY ROADS MAYBE THAT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE A LOWER PARKING STANDARD AND MAYBE A DIFFERENT CODE OR A DIFFERENT ZONING AS OPPOSED TO BEING A PLACE THAT'S FURTHER AWAY FROM ARTILLERY OR ONE OF OUR MAIN OUR MAIN STREETS AND WE MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT STANDARD. YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO DO THAT BASED ON TYPE BUT MAYBE IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO DO IT BASED ON ON ZONING. SO JUST A COUPLE IDEAS OR THOUGHTS THAT ARE OUT THERE. YEAH. THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER NELSON. YEAH. THANK YOU MAYOR. SO YOU TALKED ABOUT A MILLION DIFFERENT HOMES. ONE THAT I DIDN'T SEE IN THERE WAS WHAT IS OFTEN REFERRED TO AS A STUDIO OR PATIO HOME. WHERE WOULD THAT TYPE OF PRODUCT FIT IN THERE BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S DEVELOPED IN OTHER SUBURBS OF THE TWIN CITIES. OH YEAH. MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER NELSON IF I MAY PULL UP THIS I GUESS I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT TERM BUT THERE'S A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT WAYS PEOPLE DESCRIBE KIND OF THE SAME THING IS THAT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE A PATIO HOME, DOES IT MATCH ANYTHING ON THIS SPECTRUM? WHAT WAS THAT JUST AS A MATTER OF FACT? OH, JUST LIKE A DETACHED HOUSE. NO. OKAY. OKAY, I GUESS YEAH. IN OUR CASE I WOULD JUST FALL UNDER PROBABLY THIS DETACHED TOWN HOME KIND OF STYLE OF HOUSING. YEAH, I APOLOGIZE. SORRY. THERE'S PEOPLE USE SO MANY DIFFERENT TERMS. DESCRIBE DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES SO OKAY, THAT THAT'S WHY I WAS WONDERING IF IT FELL UNDER THAT THAT AREA AND THAT WOULD THEN HAVE A GARAGE AND BECAUSE ONE OF MY CONCERNS I'LL BE HONEST ABOUT THE COTTAGE COURT IT MAY OR IT MAY NOT WORK WELL FOR SENIORS GIVEN THAT THE PARKING ISN'T RIGHT AT THE HOUSE THERE WOULD BE WALK IN. WE HAVE WINTER SO THERE MAY BE ISSUES THERE AND WHICH LEADS TO MY OTHER QUESTION WITH THE THE COTTAGE COURT WOULD YOU SUSPECT THAT THAT WOULD END UP HAVING AN HOA GIVEN THE COMMON AREA THAT NEEDED TO BE MAINTAINED? YEAH. MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER NELSON I WOULD SAY THAT'S PROBABLY THE DIRECTION THAT THOSE WOULD GO JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE BECAUSE OF THOSE COMMON AREAS. YEAH. AND I THINK IT COULD GO EITHER WAY WHERE YOU HAVE THE COTTAGES COULD BE RENTALS OR MAYBE THEY'RE ALL ON ONE COMMON LOT OR IT COULD BE SET UP LIKE A TOWNHOME KIND OF STYLE WHERE EACH INDIVIDUAL UNIT IS ON ITS OWN LOT AND THEN YOU HAVE SOME KIND OF HOA OR BODY THAT'S TAKING CARE OF THOSE THOSE COMMON SPACES. SO I THINK IT COULD BE EITHER OR BUT THAT THAT WOULD LIKELY BE THE DIRECTION YOU'D SEE. YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN WHEN WE TALK WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS YOU HAD IN THE PACKET IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES. YEAH OKAY MAYBE MAYBE WE COULD GET TO THOSE NOW FOR ME? YEAH YEAH YEAH. THAT'S PERFECT. SO YEAH, I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF GUIDING QUESTIONS ON HERE AND SOME OF THE BIG PIECES OF THOSE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS. SO THE FIRST ONE IS WHAT DO YOU THINK IS AN APPROPRIATE PARKING STANDARD FOR MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING TYPES AND KIND OF FOR ALL THESE QUESTIONS YOU'LL SEE IT IN THESE THIS KIND OF RANGE OF LEAST RESTRICTIVE TO MOST RESTRICTIVE. AND THEN I TRIED TO HIGHLIGHT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN EACH RAISE RECOMMENDATION FROM THEIR STUDY SESSION. SO I'D SAY IN GENERAL HERE IT SEEMED LIKE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS MORE COMFORTABLE WITH OPTION B OF HAVING ONE SPACE PER UNIT AND NO GARAGE REQUIREMENT FOR TRIPLEXES FOR PARKS, MULTIPLEXES AND COTTAGE COURTS AND THEN KIND OF OUR TYPICAL TOWNHOME PARKING STANDARD FOR THOSE DETACHED TOWNHOUSES. LET'S COUNSEL COUNCILMEMBER CARTER THANK YOU, MAYOR. I WOULD SAY MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE OPTION B SO HAVING THE MINIMUM ONE SPACE PER UNIT NO GRADUATE REQUIREMENT I KIND OF I THINK I WAS READING THROUGH SOME OF THE THE NOTES FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND I THINK THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, COMMENTS AROUND LETTING THE MARKET KIND OF DETERMINE AND I AGREE WITH THAT APPROACH . SO IF THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT SAYING GO NEXT. SO I GUESS I KIND OF ALLUDED TO IT EARLIER. I THINK FOR FOR MYSELF I THINK THE QUESTION I KIND OF ASK IS YOU KNOW WHAT WHAT HAPPENS IN A IN A IN A MORE DENSIFIED PART OF THE CITY, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF PARKING YOU KNOW, WE YOU KNOW, WE SEE WE'VE HAD THOSE COME BEFORE US AND YOU KNOW THE QUESTION I WILL ASK MYSELF, YOU KNOW, WHERE DOES THE YOU KNOW, IT WAS IN THE PACKET WHERE THE GUESTS PARK YOU KNOW, I'M HAVING A PARTY OF OF A DINNER PARTY WHERE LOT OF THOSE FOLKS ARE GOING TO GO, YOU KNOW, WITH THESE UNITS AND YOU KNOW, OF COURSE YOU DON'T BUILD A HOUSE OR BUILD PARKING, YOU KNOW, BASED ON HIGH LEVEL EVENTS BUT YOU WANT TO KEEP THAT IN MIND. AND SO I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE THESE THINGS ARE LOCATED AT FOR MYSELF AS A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT REALLY DICTATES, YOU KNOW, HOW WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT THAT. AND I THINK THAT WE YOU KNOW, MAYBE NEED TO THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT OUR OUR ONE OR SOME OF OUR OTHER THINGS AND KIND OF TRYING TO SEE HOW DO THEY INTERACT WITH THE ROADS THAT ARE AROUND THAT. IS THERE OTHER TRANSPORTATIONS ,ARE THERE BUSSES THAT ARE THERE? AND SO THAT THAT GETS ME TO THE THE OPTION A IF YOU'RE CLOSER TO THAT WHERE YOU KNOW IF YOU'RE FURTHER AWAY FROM THOSE TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS ARE PROBABLY CLOSER TO 2AD SO BUT BUT I DO AND THAT'S JUST FOR THAT TRIPLEX FOURPLEX AND MULTIPLEXING IT'S NOT SO MUCH THAT YOU KNOW I'M HOPING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL WITH THE TO USE AND THAT TYPE OF THING. SO I'M HOPING THAT WE'LL SEE MORE PEOPLE WANTING TO PARK IN THOSE THOSE ARE ONES AND THEY'LL BE MORE CONVERSIONS THAT WILL BE THERE AND SO THAT WILL PUT ADDITIONAL PRESSURE ON THE YOU KNOW, ON IN THAT AREA FOR THE DETACHED TOWNHOMES. I MEAN I FEEL LIKE WE'VE KIND OF WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF HAVE THAT TODAY. SO I THINK YOU KNOW YOU KNOW, OPTION B, YOU KNOW, MAKES SENSE OR WHATEVER THE OTHER STANDARD IS THAT WE HAVE FOR OUR ONE I THINK THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON YEAH. THANK YOU, MA'AM. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY WAS IT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON DETACHED HOMES THAT ARE TOWNHOMES THAT THEY HAVE A GARAGE SPACE SO THAT THAT'S WHAT I READ IN THE PACKET BUT THIS DOESN'T REFLECT THAT. YEAH. MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER NELSON YEAH. I THINK THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OR IN THE KIND OF DRAFT CONCEPT WAS TO ALLOW TWO SPACES AND THEN ONE AT LEAST ONE BEING ENCLOSED. SO HAVING A GARAGE REQUIREMENT IT'S A YOU KNOW I THINK THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ACTUALLY ALIGNS MORE WITH OPTION C AND IT SEEMED LIKE I THINK KIND OF TO THAT POINT AROUND MORE MARKET DRIVEN DECISIONS SOME OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS WERE MORE COMFORTABLE JUST SAYING 1 TO 2 SPACES DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO BE A GARAGE FOR THOSE TYPES. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT. YEAH. SO THE WHERE I'M LANDING ON THIS IS THE STATEMENT YOU HAD MADE EARLIER AND PART OF YOUR CANVAS PART OF YOUR PRESENTATION THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE MEET THE CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I WANT TO I DON'T WANT TO FORCE A BUNCH OF PARKING ON OUT OF THE STREETS ESPECIALLY AS WE GO INTO THE WINTER MONTHS WHEN IF IT SNOWS YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PARK ON THE STREET AND THEN WHAT? I DON'T WANT TO WE ALREADY HEAR CONCERNS ABOUT PEOPLE PARKING ON THE STREETS AND AND FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER WE COME TO HERE, WHETHER IT'S IN A TRIPLEX OR A DETACHED TOWNHOME OR WHATEVER THAT IT MEANS IT MEETS THE CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND DOES IT CORRECTLY BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO JUST DROP SOMETHING IN THERE THAT STICKS OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB. RIGHT RIGHT. OR IT'S GOING TO A SECOND QUESTION IF WE COULD. YEP. YEAH. SO THE SECOND ONE HERE NOW IS REALLY KIND OF A I GUESS PROBABLY ONE OF THE CORE QUESTIONS OF WHAT ZONING DISTRICTS SHOULD MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING TYPES BE PERMITTED AND SHOULD CERTAIN TYPES BE PERMITTED IN OUR ONE ZONING DISTRICT? AND SO THIS WAS IS PROBABLY ON THE NOTES AND AS YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE SCREEN, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE MIXED I THINK BASED ON THE SPECIFIC HOUSING TYPE OF THE HRA IT SEEMED A LITTLE BIT MORE CONSISTENT AROUND THAT OPTION B SO I WOULD JUST SAY OPTION A IS ALLOWING IT IN R ONE AND KIND OF THE STANDARDS UNIQUE TO HOUSING TYPE WOULD REALLY BE IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT HAVING A SHALLOWER SETBACK SAY THAT 20 FOOT SETBACK VERSUS A 30 FOOT SETBACK AND THAT OPTION B IS TO ALLOW IT IN R ONE BUT YOU WANT THAT 30 FOOT SETBACK TO MATCH THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME STRUCTURE SETBACK. THAT'S KIND OF THE KEY DIFFERENCE THERE. AM I SEEING THIS CORRECTLY? DID THE PLANNING COMMISSION BASICALLY RECOMMEND EVERYTHING HERE? I THINK YEAH. YEAH. I KIND OF IT WAS HARD TO ENCAPSULATE IN THIS THIS CHART RIGHT? I WOULD SAY YEAH IT WAS FOR THOSE FIRST THREE THERE IT WAS MORE MIXED AROUND ALLOWING IT ON R ONE WITH THE SAME STANDARDS AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME OR JUST STARTING OUT AND ALLOWING IT IN R THREE AND R FOR R AND THEN FOR THE DETACHED TOWNHOMES THEY KIND OF WENT THE OTHER WAY AND UNDERSTOOD THAT THEY FELT LIKE THAT MADE SENSE IN R ONE AND WERE COMFORTABLE WITH STANDARDS THAT WERE YOU KNOW SHALLOWER SETBACKS OR DIFFERENT STANDARDS FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME. SO YEAH, IT WAS MUCH MORE SPLIT I GUESS AS I SAY WITHIN IN MINE AND WITH THAT QUESTION BEING ASKED I DO LIKE THE HRA RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE IT STIPULATES I THINK IT GOES BACK TO MY EARLIER COMMENT ABOUT ME MEANING THE NATURE OF THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IF WE HAVE STANDARDS THAT MATCH THOSE OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES I THINK WE CAN MAKE THAT WORK WITHIN THE OWN DISTRICT COUNCIL MEMBER THANK YOU. YEAH SO PRETTY MUCH ON BOARD WITH THAT YOU KNOW FOR THE COTTAGE COURTS AND THE DETACHED TOWNHOUSES BUT THEN I KIND OF GO BACK AGAIN I WANT TO REIMAGINE THAT R ONE ZONE. I REALLY DO THINK THAT WE'VE GOT TO KIND OF LOOK AT THE THOSE TRIPLEXES AND THE FOURPLEX AND THOSE THINGS ARE REALLY KIND OF DRIVE DENSITY AND LOOK TO TRY TO YOU KNOW PAIR WITH PLACES THAT MAKE SENSE ACROSS THE CITY YOU KNOW PLACES WHERE THERE THERE IS TRANSPORTATION PLACES WHERE THERE YOU KNOW WHERE YOU CAN GET AROUND IN THE CITY. AND SO I THINK I WOULD CHALLENGE US TO KIND OF THINK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT THAT R ONE LOOKS LIKE ESPECIALLY AROUND OUR FOR EXAMPLE LIKE A PEN AN AMERICAN OR LOOKING TO TRY TO DO YOU KNOW THE THE LONG TERM VISION OF THAT YOU KNOW IN TERMS OF THAT THE HOUSING THAT'S AROUND THAT AREA AND AROUND THAT SPACE LOOKING AT AND WAYS IN WHICH THAT WE CAN REALLY COMPLEMENT THOSE SPACES YOU KNOW KIND OF PROVIDE SOME PROTECTION TO SOME OF THE R ONES IN THE COTTAGE COURTS AND THE DETACHED HOUSES BY CREATING KIND OF SOME OF THAT YOU KNOW, MAYBE MIGHT HAVE A RING OF OF APARTMENTS AROUND ONE AREA THEN YOU KIND OF TAKE A STEP BACK INTO FOURPLEX THOSE TRIPLEXES OR OTHER MULTIPLEXES MAYBE A OTHER SOME OF OUR OTHER ZONES THAT WE HAVE THAT HAVE MULTIPLE ZONES THERE AND THEN BACK YOUR WAY INTO THAT. SO REALLY TRY TO BE STRATEGIC ABOUT RECLASSIFYING SOME OF OUR OUR ONES AND I REALIZE AS I SAY THAT HOW DIFFICULT AND COMPLICATED IT IS TO TRY TO DO THAT IF YOU'RE CURRENTLY LIVING THERE YOU MAY NOT WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPEN. SO I KNOW I SAY THAT YOU KNOW, CAUTIOUSLY BUT I DO JUST THINK THAT THERE IF WE'RE TRYING TO FORCE, YOU KNOW, THOSE TRIPLEXES OR FOURPLEX INTO OUR ONE AS IT IS TODAY WE HAVE A LOT OF COMPLEX CONFLICT WE CAN LOOK AT 86 AND TEN THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE WE TRIED TO PUT YOU KNOW AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK IT REALLY MAKES SENSE TO HAVE THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THERE WHEN YOU REDEVELOP THAT AREA THAT'D BE A PLACE I WOULD TARGET. BUT FOR THOSE THOSE NEIGHBORS THAT WERE THERE, YOU KNOW THAT YOU KNOW, THAT WAS A THAT WAS NOT A GOOD EXPERIENCE IN TERMS OF WHERE THEY WHERE THEY WANTED IT. SO I THINK WE SHOULD BE STRATEGIC ABOUT THAT AND REALLY KIND OF REIMAGINE WHAT THE R ONE LOOKS LIKE. COUNCILMEMBER CARTER THANK YOU, MAYOR. I MEAN I GUESS I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED. COUNCILMEMBER LONG JUST BECAUSE WE HAD THAT WHOLE CONVERSATION AROUND OUR ONE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND SO I THOUGHT THAT THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN REIMAGINING BUT I DON'T KNOW OR MAYBE YOU MEAN SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAT YOU CAN CLARIFY. NO, I THINK THAT YOU COUNCILMEMBER THANK YOU FOR FOR ASKING THAT QUESTION. WE DID HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND I DO AND I WAS ALWAYS OF THE OPINION THAT EVENTUALLY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE S ONE ZONE AND I THINK THAT YOU VERY ASTUTELY BROUGHT FORWARD DOES YOU KNOW HOW ARE WE LOOKING AT R WANT DOES IT REALLY MAKE SENSE TO LOOK AT R ONE THE WAY THAT WE DO TODAY? AND I THINK THAT PART OF OUR ISSUE THAT WE HAVE WITH TRYING TO DENSIFY SOME OF THESE AREAS OR THESE SPACES IS THAT R ONE IS IT'S ENCOMPASSING SO MUCH AND SO I THINK THE CHALLENGE THAT YOU RAISED AT THAT POINT IN TIME I ACCEPT IT AND AND I'M WILLING TO KIND OF RE-IMAGINE OR THINK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND HOW WE ARE ABLE TO EXECUTE THAT. SO I THOUGHT YOU WERE ON TO SOMETHING NOW I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN GET TO CONSENSUS ON THAT BUT BUT I CERTAINLY AGREE THAT I THINK THAT YOU HAD A GOOD POINT WHEN YOU BROUGHT THAT FORWARD THAT TAKE A LISTEN TO MY COMMENTS BECAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER NOW KNOW SO I DID HAVE A QUICK QUESTION SO I SEE THAT THERE ARE MULTIPLE OPTIONS AS PERMITTED USE AND CONDITIONAL USE. WAS THERE ANY CONVERSATION FOR TRIPLEXES AND FOURPLEX IS ABOUT MAKING IT A PERMITTED USE IN R ONE AND A CONDITIONAL USE I'M SORRY A CONDITIONAL USE AN R ONE AND A PERMITTED USE IN OUR THREE OR OUR FOUR FOR FOR PLEXUS. YEAH. YEP. MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER CARTER YEAH WE DID AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THAT OPTION D GETS AT TO MAKE IT CONDITIONAL OR I GUESS YEAH CONDITIONAL IN R ONE RC BUT I THINK THE TRADEOFF FOR THAT BALANCE KIND OF SIMILAR TO THE REZONING COMMENT THAT I HAD IS THAT IT'S JUST SAID YOU KNOW IT IS IN ANOTHER APPLICATION AND KIND OF PROCESS BUT TO TO GET THAT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IT'S SO YOU KNOW THE TRADEOFF MIGHT BE MAYBE LESS PEOPLE APPLY TO BUILD IT IN R ONE BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT SO YOU P PROCESS OR PAY THE FEE TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS P AS YOU KNOW HAS MORE CONCRETE FINDINGS AND ISN'T AS DISCRETIONARY AS A REZONING DECISION BUT I THINK THAT WAS KIND OF IN IN STAFF'S MIND AROUND THAT IS THAT THAT BALANCE OR TRADEOFF TAKING THAT EXTRA STEP WITH THE C P OKAY YOU KNOW I THINK WHERE I'M AT IS THAT FOR TRIPLEXES AND FOURPLEX THERE'S JUST BECAUSE YOU KNOW I THINK THIS IS WHAT I'M HEARING MAYBE OTHERS SAY IS LIKE THERE JUST IS SO MUCH VARIETY IN THE R ONE IN TERMS OF WHAT NEIGHBORHOODS LOOK LIKE AND FEEL LIKE AND ALL THAT AND I GUESS WHERE IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD MAKE SENSE SOMETIMES BUT MAYBE NOT MAKE SENSE OTHER TIMES. SO I THINK FOR FOR RIGHT NOW WHERE I'M AT AS A PERMITTED IN ART SO PERMITTED IN OUR THREE OWN SO BASICALLY OPTION C YEAH YEAH PERMITTED IN THE LIKE R3R FORM 12 WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE AND THEN CONDITIONAL IN R ONE YES I WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT. >> YEAH YEAH. THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION IT COUNCIL I'M GOING TO MOVE THIS ALONG BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE PROVIDED SOME GOOD FEEDBACK AND KNOWING THAT WE MISS WE'RE MISSING THREE VOICES HERE. MY GUESS IS THIS IS THE LAST CONVERSATION WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ON THIS SO I'M JUST GOING TO THROW THAT OUT THERE IF WE CAN GO ON TO THE NEXT QUESTION PLEASE. YEAH. SO YEAH, THIS ONE IS JUST AROUND THE KIND OF MINIMUM LOT SIZES AND KIND OF DETAILED IN THE PACKET THE WHERE WE LANDED LIKE HOW DID WE GET TO 17,500? IT'S JUST KIND OF DOING THE THE MATH EQUATION IF YOU'D BUILD A A TRIPLEX AT THIS SIZE OF LOT GETS YOU RIGHT UNDER THAT 12 UNITS AN ACRE WHICH IS KIND OF THE MAXIMUM DENSITY THRESHOLD FOR THOSE THOSE DISTRICTS AND SIMILAR FOR THAT 33,000 SO PLANNING COMMISSION AND HRA BOTH SAID YEAH AS LONG AS KIND OF MAKES SENSE OR YOU DID THAT MATH WE'RE WE'RE OKAY WITH REDUCING IT. YEAH THE TRUTH IS COUNCIL COUNCILMEMBER I AM GOOD WITH THIS AS LONG AS YOU KNOW AGAIN WE HAVE THAT OUR S ZONING THAT'S OUT THERE WHICH KIND OF THEN IF YOU DO THIS THAT CREATES A WEIRD SITUATION WITH THAT. SO JUST WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THAT THAT'S A WEIRD SET UP SO ALL RIGHT ALL RIGHT AND THEN THE LAST ONE I HAVE IS JUST AROUND THE SETBACK. SO HERE KIND OF SHOWS THE CURRENT STANDARD IN THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS AND THEN OUR PROPOSED SETBACK AND REALLY WHERE WE KIND OF LANDED ON THE 20FT FROM A STREET 25FT FROM A REAR YARD IS ONE TO KIND OF MATCH. WE HAVE EXISTING LANDSCAPE BUFFERS OR OFTENTIMES AS EASEMENTS AND THAT RESTRICT WHERE STRUCTURES CAN BE PLACED ALREADY AND THEN THESE ARE IN RECENT TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENTS WHERE WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT FLEXIBILITY THESE WERE KIND OF THE THE SETBACKS THAT COUNCIL APPROVED THROUGH THOSE THOSE FLEXIBILITIES. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THAT CAME FROM. THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. YEAH. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON IS THE FIRST ONE ON THIS LIST ARE THREE YEAH I DON'T KNOW I GOT THREE YEAH SORRY ABOUT THAT AND WELL I GOT IT. WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM DENSITY ON OUR ONE. YEAH SO OUR ONE IS IS IT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IN THE ZONING BUT IF IT'S IN THE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT IT'S I THINK UP TO 12 UNITS AN ACRE. MR. JOHNSON HI MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER NELSON THERE'S NOT A LISTED MAXIMUM DENSITY IN OUR ONE YOU EFFECTIVELY COULD HAVE TWO DWELLING UNITS ON A SINGLE LOT EITHER WITH A HOME AND AN 82 OR A TWO FAMILY DWELLING AND IF YOU DEPENDING ON THE LOT SIZE THAT COULD GET CLOSE TO 12 UNITS PER ACRE ON A SMALLER LOT ACCORDING TO OUR MORE RECENTLY ADOPTED STANDARDS. YEP. THANKS. YEP. ANY THOUGHTS ON SETBACKS? COUNCIL WE GO TO SOME. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. YEAH, THANKS. WE GOT IT IN 5.2 ON OUR AGENDA. THIS IS OUR RESERVE THE STUDY ABOUT RESERVES AND THE RESULTS OF THAT STUDY. COREY CARLSON, OUR BUDGET MANAGER IS HERE. GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME. >> HELLO, MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND WELCOME TO OUR NEW CITY MANAGER ZACK WALKER. I AM COREY CARLSON. I'M ONE OF THE DEPUTY FINANCE OFFICERS IN THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT REPORT TO OUR CFO LAURIE ECONOMY SOLAR I'M SO WELCOME. AND JOINING ME THIS EVENING I HAVE SEEN CAVANAUGH WHO IS JOINING VIRTUALLY WE ARE THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT WE ENGAGED THE GOVERNMENT FINANCE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION GIVE AWAY THEIR RESEARCH AND CONSULTING CENTER TO CONDUCT A RISK BASED ANALYSIS OF THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON'S FUND RESERVES TO ESTABLISH SOME RECOMMENDED TARGET RANGES AND JUST I'LL GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND OF SEEN HERE WHO'S UP ON THE SCREEN AND THEN I'M GOING TO HAND IT OVER TO HIM. SO SHANE CAVANAUGH HE IS THE SENIOR MANAGER OF RESEARCH FOR RIVERWAY AND HAS BEEN A LEADER IN DEVELOPING THE TECHNIQUE OF LONG TERM FINANCIAL PLANNING AND POLICIES FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENT. HE STARTED GIVEAWAYS, LONG TERM FINANCIAL PLANNING AND POLICY AND CONSULTING OFFERING IN 2002 AND HAS BEEN WORKING WITH GOVERNMENTS ON FINANCIAL PLANNING AND POLICIES EVER SINCE. HIS WORK WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAS EARNED HIM A FELLOWSHIP WITH THE NATIONAL ACADEMY OF PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION A POSITION ON THE BOARD OF ADVISORY ADVISORS FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO'S CENTER FOR MUNICIPAL FINANCE AND RECOGNITION AS ONE OF THE 100 MOST INFLUENTIAL PEOPLE IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT BY ENGAGING LOCAL GOVERNMENT LEADERS. AND THEN IN 2024 HE RECEIVED THE KENNETH HOWARD AWARD FROM THE ASSOCIATION OF BUDGETING AND FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT TO HONOR LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT BY A PRACTITIONER IN THE FIELD OF BUDGETING AND FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT. AND WITH THAT I WILL HAND IT OVER TO SHANE. >> HI ZANE. ALL RIGHT, COREY, THANK YOU SO MUCH OF THAT INTRODUCTION AND THANK YOU CITY COUNCIL FOR YOUR TIME HERE THIS EVENING. MY PLEASURE TO CHAT WITH YOU TODAY ABOUT OUR RESERVE STUDY AND I THINK A GOOD PLACE TO START OUT WITH IS TO DEFINE WHAT WE MEAN BY RESERVE. SO BE SO KIND TO ADVANCE THE NEXT SLIDE. SO I'VE GOT HERE IS MY DEFINITION OF RESERVES AND PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT PART IS ACTUALLY AT THE END AND THAT IS THE IDEA THAT RESERVES ARE A TOOL FOR PROVIDING PROTECTION AGAINST UNPLANNED UNAVOIDABLE COSTS OR LOSSES AND THAT IS DONE BY HOLDING SOME AMOUNT OF MONEY OUTSIDE OF THE BUDGET OR IN RESERVE AS THE NAME MIGHT IMPLY. SO WHY DON'T WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE. WHAT I'M GOING TO SHOW HERE IS KIND OF THIS IDEA THAT YOU CAN THINK OF RESERVES AS A SAVINGS ACCOUNT AND I'M SURE MAYBE SOME OF YOU HAVE HEARD THAT METAPHOR FOR RESERVES AND CERTAINLY I THINK THAT USEFUL FOR THINGS LIKE WE'VE SEEN ON THE SLIDE HERE ACCUMULATING CASH TO PAY FOR FUTURE COSTS ETC.. I'M GOING TO BE LEANING ON A DIFFERENT METAPHOR HERE TONIGHT AND THAT IS RESERVES AS INSURANCE. SO WHY DON'T WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE AND WE'LL SAY A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT. AND SO THE PREMISE OF THE WORK ON TO PRESENT TO YOU HERE TODAY REALLY LOOKS AT RESERVES AS AN INSURANCE POLICY AND COULD CLICK THE BUTTON. BUT THE IDEA HERE IS THAT A RESERVE IS REALLY EXISTS TO HELP US MANAGE VOLATILITY AND THE RISK OF UNPLANNED UNAVOIDABLE COSTS AND LOSSES THAT I DESCRIBED EARLIER. AND WE DO ONE MORE QUICK WE'LL SEE. THAT'S VERY MUCH LIKE AN INSURANCE POLICY, RIGHT? AN INSURANCE POLICY DOES THAT SAME THING. BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT THE INSURANCE POLICY METAPHOR HAS SEVERAL OTHER USEFUL CHARACTERISTICS. I THINK IT HAS AN OBVIOUS PARALLEL TO OUR PERSONAL LIVES JUST LIKE THE SAVINGS ACCOUNT METAPHOR FORCING THAT'S JUST HELPFUL FOR THINKING IT THROUGH WHEN WE DEFINE RESERVES AS INSURANCE I THINK IT ALSO INVITES US TO THINK ABOUT HOW THE RESERVE COMPLEMENTS YOUR COMMERCIAL INSURANCE POLICIES AND ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS OF COUNCIL A QUESTION FROM EARLIER TODAY RAISED THIS VERY ASTUTE POINT IS THAT HOW DOES THE RESERVE INTERACT WITH COMMERCIAL INSURANCE? I THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD THING TO THINK ABOUT. AND THEN LASTLY IT IMPLIES THERE'S AN AWFUL AMOUNT OF WORK JUST LIKE YOU GET OVER INSURER OR SOMETHING YOU COULD OVER RESERVE SOMETHING RIGHT? BUT SAME TIME YOU GET UNDER INSURED. SO YOU COULD ALSO UNDER RESERVE RIGHT? SO OUR JOB IS TO FIND WHILE CALLED THE GOLDILOCKS AMOUNT NOT TOO MUCH NOT TOO LITTLE JUST RIGHT. SO LET ME MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO IF WE ARE IF THIS IS A INSURANCE POLICY ESSENTIALLY WHAT ARE THE RISKS THAT WE ARE IN FACT PROTECTING AGAINST? AND SO WE LOOK PRETTY AT A PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE SET OF NATURAL AND HUMAN MADE CATASTROPHES AND I CAN PUT THEM ALL ON ONE SLIDE. SO I JUST FIGURED I'D PICK OUT A FEW OF THE HIGHLIGHTS HERE. RECESSION CERTAINLY A VERY IMPORTANT ONE BECAUSE A RECESSION CAN REDUCE THE CITY'S AVAILABLE REVENUE THE NATURAL CATASTROPHES LIKE STORMS AND WINDS AND FLOODS YOU KNOW FAIRLY OBVIOUS AND LIKE HOW A LARGE NATURAL CATASTROPHE COULD CAUSE UNPLANNED UNAVOIDABLE COSTS MAYBE LESS OBVIOUS BUT STILL I THINK PROTECTING A POTENTIALLY IMPORTANT IS RETAINED A RISK ON YOUR COMMERCIAL INSURANCE POLICIES AND WE'RE GETTING OUT THERE AS WELL. WHAT ABOUT IF THE CITY INCURS COSTS OVER THE LIMIT OF A POLICY? SO FOR EXAMPLE MANY CITIES ARE INCREASINGLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE IDEA OF SOCIAL AND INFLATION AND JURY VERDICTS IN KIND OF THE HIGHER COSTS THAT THOSE CAN ENTAIL NOWADAYS THAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF RETAINED RISK ON YOUR COMMERCIAL INSURANCE POLICIES. AND THEN JUST TO MAKE THE POINT OUR OTHER RISKS CAN HOLD DOWN ON YOUR KIND OF LOWER CENTER IS MAKING THE POINT THAT THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT IN THE RISK MODEL BESIDES JUST THOSE THINGS THAT COULD FIT ON THE SLIDE. AND THE GOAL HERE IS TO PROVIDE A COMPREHENSIVE AS POSSIBLE VIEW OF THE RISKS THAT THE DIFFERENT FUNDS THAT WE'RE ANALYZING HAVE TO DEAL WITH. SO IF WE CAN BE SO KIND OF SET UP AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE. A REASONABLE QUESTION WOULD BE WELL HOW ARE WE GOING TO ANALYZE THESE RISKS AND WE USE SOMETHING CALLED MONTE CARLO COMPUTER SIMULATION. SO THIS IS NOT A NEW METHODS WE SAY HERE ON THE SLIDE IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A REALLY LONG TIME. IT IS STANDARD PRACTICE IN MANY INDUSTRIES THAT USED TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE RISK AS A STANDARD FEATURE OF THEIR OPERATIONS LIKE INSURANCE. WHAT IS NEW IS THAT YOU DO NO LONGER NEED SUPERCOMPUTERS OR REALLY HIGHLY SPECIALIZED SOFTWARE. YOU CAN DO THIS ON YOUR STANDARD DISKS WITH NOTHING MORE THAN MICROSOFT EXCEL AND SO THAT CREATES SEVERAL ADVANTAGES FOR US NOT LEAST OF WHICH IS THAT I CAN EMAIL CAR IN THE MODELS YOU GET OPEN IT RIGHT UP AND SEE EXACTLY WHAT I'M SEEING. USE THE MODEL ON OUR OWN ALL THAT GOOD STUFF. SO THERE'S MANY ADVANTAGES TIME IT'S CALLED THIS MODERN INCARNATION OF MONTE CARLO ANALYSIS AND ONE MIGHT ASK WELL WHAT EXACTLY IS MONTE CARLO ANALYSIS? SO IF WE CLICK ONE MORE TIME IT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS BUILDING WHAT I CALL MULTIVERSE OF THE CITY. SOME OF YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH THIS CONCEPT IT'S VERY POPULAR IN SCIENCE FICTION NOWADAYS AND THE IDEA IS THAT THERE'S ALL THESE PARALLEL UNIVERSES WHERE EACH UNIVERSE MIGHT DIFFER FROM THE NEXT AND SOME INTERESTING WAY AND SO WE HAVE 10,000 PARALLEL UNIVERSES OF THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON WHERE IN EACH PARALLEL UNIVERSE WE VARY THE EXTENT TO WHICH THE CITY EXPERIENCES THOSE RISKS. I DESCRIBED ON THIS SLIDE EARLIER AND WE VARY THEM ACCORDING TO THEIR STATISTICAL LIKELIHOOD AND RANGE OF DAMAGE THAT WE MIGHT EXPECT FROM THOSE RISKS. SO I'LL GIVE YOU JUST A VERY SIMPLE EXAMPLE. LET'S IMAGINE THAT WE WERE DOING 100 PARALLEL UNIVERSES AND THERE WAS A 10% CHANCE OF A FLOOD THEN WE WOULD EXPECT ABOUT TEN OF OUR 100 PARALLEL UNIVERSES TO HAVE A FLOOD AFTER OUR 15% CHANCE OF RECESSION WE'D EXPECT ABOUT 15 OF OUR 100 TO HAVE A RECESSION AND THEN SOME OF THOSE 100 MIGHT BE UNLUCKY AND HAVE BOTH BUT MOST WOULD HAVE NONE OF THEM AND WE KIND OF MULTIPLY WHAT I JUST DESCRIBED OUR TIMES A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF RISKS AND ALSO I CAN MY VERY SIMPLIFIED EXAMPLE WAS EITHER IT HAS IT OR IT DOESN'T HAVE IT BUT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE DOING A TEN YEAR MODEL SO EACH YEAR WE SIMULATE WHETHER IT HAPPENS OR IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AND THEN WE ALSO SEE HOW BAD IT WAS, RIGHT? SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A FLOOD IT COULD BE A RELATIVELY MINOR FLOOD OR IT COULD BE A MAJOR FLOOD OR SAME WITH A RECESSION. RIGHT. SO WE'RE VARYING ALL THESE THINGS ACROSS ALL OUR PARALLEL UNIVERSES AND IN THIS CASE WE'VE GOT 10,000 OF THEM AND BY DOING THIS ACROSS ALL 10,000 WE GET A PRETTY CLOSE TO COMPREHENSIVE VIEW OF THE POSSIBLE COMBINATIONS OF THESE DIFFERENT CATASTROPHES AND ACTS AS A SENSE OF HOW MUCH ONE WOULD NEED TO HAVE IN RESERVES IN ORDER TO FEEL SUFFICIENTLY CONFIDENT THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO COVER THAT RISK THAT YOU ARE SUBJECT TO. SO THE NEXT LOGICAL QUESTION IS ON THE NEXT SLIDE AND THAT IS WHERE DOES IT COME FROM TO BUILD A MODEL LIKE THIS? AND SO WE HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT DATA SOURCES. SO OF COURSE CITIES OUR HISTORICAL EXPERIENCE IS QUITE VALUABLE. >> FOR EXAMPLE WE CAN LOOK AT THE EXPERIENCE DURING THE 2008 GREAT RECESSION THAT IS THE WORST RECESSION SINCE WORLD WAR TWO. SO THAT GIVES US A PRETTY GOOD INSIGHT INTO HOW THE CITY MIGHT FARE DURING A PARTICULARLY BAD RECESSION. WE CAN LOOK AT THE CITY'S OWN EXPERIENCE OF COURSE FROM COMMERCIAL INSURANCE RATES AND WE LOOKED AT I MENTIONED EARLIER RUN THE RISK WAS RETENTION AND COMMERCIAL INSURANCE POLICIES WHILE WE CAN LOOK AT THE CITY'S PRIOR EXPERIENCE WITH RETAINING A RISK ON COMMERCIAL INSURANCE POLICIES, WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT EXPENSE IN THE WIDER REGION. SO THAT'S PARTICULARLY USEFUL FOR THINGS LIKE NATURAL CATASTROPHES. WE FOR EXAMPLE LOOKED AS I SAY HERE AT THE COUNTY HAZARD PLAN THAT HAD BEEN COUNTY HAZARD PLAN SO THAT PROVES QUITE USEFUL TO GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT SORT OF NATURAL DISASTERS HAVE BEFALLEN THE REGION, WHICH ONES ARE THOUGHT TO BE THE HIGHEST RISK SO ON AND SO FORTH AND SPEAKING OF COUNTY STAFF OF COURSE THE PLANNING STAFF HAVE BEEN IMMENSELY HELPFUL AS WELL AS SEVERAL OTHER STAFF MEMBERS INCLUDING I WANT TO POINT OUT THE RISK MANAGER OF COURSE YOU MIGHT IMAGINE THAT OUR ROLE IS QUITE IMPORTANT TO WHAT WE'RE DOING AND THEN ALSO THIRD PARTY EXPERTS HERE. SO USING THEMA DATA SETS THE LEAGUE OF CITIES HAD SOME USEFUL DATA THAT WE'VE USED STATE GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY AS WELL AND THEN ON MY LIST BUT THEY WERE QUITE HELPFUL AS WELL AS THIRD PARTY STATISTICS PROVIDER. SO FOR EXAMPLE WE GOT STATISTICS ON THE SNOWFALL RISK THAT THE CITY FACES WHICH COULD BE VERY IMPORTANT FOR LIKE WINTER STORMS FOR EXAMPLE AND AN IS A VERY LARGE INSURANCE COMPANY AND WE PROCURE DATA FROM THEM AS WELL. SO AS YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF DIFFERENT DATA SOURCES GO IN TO BUILDING THIS MODEL. SO AS WE KIND OF GET ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE WE'RE GOING TO NOW BE ROUNDING INTO WHAT DID THE RESULTS SHOW OR SEE BLOOMINGTON. SO BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANT TO GO OVER FIRST IS NUMBER ONE IS RISK DO NOT ADD UP LIKE YOU MIGHT EXPECT AND I MEAN BY THAT IS WHEN WE CLICK THERE ARE THESE FORCES OF DIVERSIFICATION AND INTERDEPENDENCIES THAT TELL YOU GO AHEAD AND JUST WHAT YOU CAN JUST GO AHEAD AND CLICK THROUGH THE SITE AND THERE'S ONE MORE AREA AND THE WHAT WE MEAN BY DIVERSIFICATION AND INTERDEPENDENCIES IS ESSENTIALLY WITH DIVERSIFICATION WE MEAN NOT EVERY BAD THING THAT COULD BEFALL THE CITY WILL HAPPEN AT ONE TIME SORT OF LIKE WHEN YOU DIVERSIFY YOUR STOCK PORTFOLIO YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY BETTING THAT NOT ALL YOUR STOCKS WILL GO DOWN AT THE SAME TIME HOPEFULLY OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE CASES WHICH MAKE THAT HAPPEN BUT YOU'RE EXPECTING IT MOST OF THE TIME THEY'RE NOT GOING TO ALL THE CLIENT AT ONCE AND THAT SAME THING IS ESSENTIALLY TRUE OF THE CITY'S RISK MEANING IT'S PRETTY UNLIKELY THE CITY WOULD HAVE BOUGHT A HISTORICALLY LARGE FLOOD HISTORICALLY LARGE TORNADO, HISTORICALLY LARGE RECESSION SO ON AND SO FORTH AND ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS WE LOOKED AT HAPPENING ALL AT THE SAME TIME WOULD BE PRETTY UNLIKELY AND THAT IS ESSENTIALLY THE POWER OF DIVERSIFICATION. ALSO SIGNIFICANT IS NOT GOING TO DO NOTHING AS WE SAY HAVE A BAD THING HAPPEN. SO THE MODEL HAS ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT MITIGATIONS IN IT AN IMPORTANT ONE BEING THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THE CITY IS WILLING TO CUT. IN FACT I THINK ONE OF THE ULTIMATE QUESTIONS REVOLVED AROUND THIS ADDITION TO THAT WE ALSO HAVE THE SURPLUSES THAT THE CITY GENERATES FROM YEAR TO YEAR ARE BUILT INTO THE MODEL AS WELL AS THE SUPPORTING ROLE OF FEMA IS ANOTHER IMPORTANT MITIGATION THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE MODEL. AND THEN LASTLY EARLIER TODAY WE HEARD LAURA TALK ABOUT THE CITY'S TRIPLE A BOND RATING AND SO THAT IS ALSO USEFUL FOR OUR MODELING PURPOSES BECAUSE THE BOND RATING AGENCIES HAVE PARTICULAR EXPECTATIONS WHEN IT COMES TO MAINTAINING BOND BALANCES AND THAT IS ALSO INCLUDED IN THE MODEL. SO ALL THOSE THINGS I THINK ARE JUST USEFUL PIECES OF CONTEXT TO BE AWARE OF AS WE GET TO THE NEXT SLIDE WHICH HAS ONE OF THE PICTURES FROM THE MODEL AND WHAT THIS PICTURE IS SHOWING US IS THIS IS A TEN YEAR VIEW OF THE AVERAGE REMAINING RESERVE FOR THE CITY. SO THE BLUE LINE IS THE AVERAGE REMAINING RESERVE. SO WHAT I MEAN BY THAT AND AS YOU LOOK AT ACROSS ALL 10,000 PARALLEL UNIVERSES WE TAKE THE RESERVE ANIMAL UP DIVIDE BY 10,000 AND THAT IS WHAT THE BLUE LINE IS SO AT THAT'S TELLING US IS ON AVERAGE OVER A TEN YEAR PERIOD THE CITY IS STAYING ABOVE THE CRITICAL THRESHOLD WHICH IS A GOOD THING. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE ON THERE THE 50TH PERCENTILE WHICH IS JUST ANOTHER WAY OF LOOKING AT THE AVERAGE THAT WAY KIND OF FACTORS OUT SOME OF THE MORE DRAMATIC PARALLEL UNIVERSES THE ONE WHERE THE CITY IS REALLY UNLUCKY AND IT'S KIND OF A STRAIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE MEASURE AND THE SOUTHERN ONE ALSO STAYS ABOVE THE CRITICAL THRESHOLD. SO THESE ARE GOOD THINGS. NOW OF COURSE THE QUESTION THEN MIGHT BE AS WELL WHAT AMOUNT OF RESERVE MIGHT BE OPTIMAL AMOUNT OR THAT GOLDILOCKS AMOUNT I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER AND NOT TOO HIGH. NOT TOO LOW. AND IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE WE HAVE JUST THAT. SO WHAT THIS GRAPH IS CALLED THIS IS A CUMULATIVE PROBABILITY CHART AND SO HOW TO READ THIS IS IS ON THE VERTICAL AXIS YOU HAVE PERCENTAGES FROM 0 TO 100 AND THEN YOU ASK YOURSELF WELL HOW CONFIDENT DO I WANT TO BE THAT I'M GOING TO HAVE THE EXISTING RESERVE IS GOING TO BE ENOUGH TO KEEP US ABOVE THAT CRITICAL THRESHOLD. THE RED LINE AND THE CRITICAL THRESHOLD IS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY YOU DO NOT WANT TO GO BELOW ON RESERVE AND IN THIS CASE WE ASSOCIATED THAT WITH THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE BOND RATING AGENCIES FOR A TRIPLE AMOUNT. SO I APOLOGIZE I SHOULD HAVE BEEN CLEAR ABOUT THAT ON THE LAST SLIDE. BUT AGAIN THAT CRITICAL THRESHOLD, THAT LITTLE DOTTED LINE THAT WAS ON THE LAST SLIDE THAT'S ALSO THE CRITICAL THRESHOLD AS IS JUST LOOKING AT IT IN THE SAME WAY AGAIN THE AMOUNT WE NEED TO NOT GO BELOW THE RATING AGENCIES EXPECTATIONS. SO IF WE WANT TO BE ABOUT LET'S SAY 90% CONFIDENT OF DOING THAT YOU HAVE TO READ OVER FROM 90 ON THE VERTICAL AXIS READ OVER TO YOU HIT THE RED LINE AND THEN READ DOWN AND THAT WOULD BE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY YOU WOULD NEED. NOW OUR POINT OUT THIS IS KIND OF INTERESTING WHERE THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON EXISTING RESERVE WHICH IS THAT BLACK DOTTED LINE IS JUST AT ABOUT THE 90% POINT RIGHT NOW WHICH IS KIND OF UNUSUAL MEANING WE'VE DONE MANY OF THESE PROJECTS AND OFTEN I DON'T THINK THAT'S EVER HAPPENED. SO ALWAYS FIRST TIME FOR EVERYTHING. BUT I THINK EVEN MORE INTERESTING THAN THAT IS WE TYPICALLY ADVISE FOLKS THAT THE GOLDILOCKS AMOUNT IS BEFORE THE LINE STARTS TO GO LEFT IN THE WHAT WE SEE THERE IS THAT THE LINE IS STARTING TO GO FLAT REALLY JUST AFTER THE CITY'S CURRENT RESERVE AMOUNTS AGAIN, THAT'S NEVER SEEN THAT HAPPEN. SO FIRST TIME FOR EVERYTHING. BUT THEN I THINK WHAT IT'S ALSO TELLING US IS WHAT WE'LL GET TO ON THE NEXT SLIDE IS THAT WHERE YOU'RE AT NOW COULD BE CONSIDERED SORT OF THE CEILING AMOUNT AND IF YOU ARE WILLING TO LIVE WITH A LITTLE LESS CONFIDENCE OF STAYING ABOVE THE CRITICAL THRESHOLD, YOU COULD HAVE A LITTLE LESS AND YOU'D STILL BE PRETTY CONFIDENCE THAT WOULD BE AN 80% CHANCE OF STAYING ABOVE THE CRITICAL THRESHOLD OR EVEN TEN WHICH IS STILL PRETTY GOOD. NOW CERTAINLY I WOULD LEAVE THAT TO THE CITY'S DISCRETION ULTIMATELY DECIDE IF 80% IS ENOUGH CONFIDENCE BUT I JUST BRING THAT UP BECAUSE THAT IS A COMMON NUMBER THAT WE FIND AMONGST ALL GOVERNMENTS WHERE 80% IS SEEN AS A REASONABLE MINIMUM. SO KIND OF BOTTOM LINE HERE IS THAT THE GOLDILOCKS AMOUNT IS BETWEEN THE 4653 WHERE 53 IS WHERE WE'RE AT NOW. SO IT'S PRETTY WHAT YOU'RE AT THE CEILING AND ACCORDING TO OUR ESTIMATIONS AND SIMULATIONS YOU COULD ALSO HOLD A LITTLE BIT LESS AND ALSO STAY WITHIN A PRETTY REASONABLE DEGREE OF CONFIDENCE OF MAINTAINING THE AMOUNT ASSOCIATED WITH THE TRIPLE A BOND RATING. AND WHY DON'T WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE AFTER THIS BECAUSE WE ARE LOOKING AT SEVERAL OTHER FUNDS AS WELL. AND SO THIS IS JUST A LIST OF THE VARIOUS FUNDS THAT WE ARE BUILDING MODELS FOR MUCH LIKE WE JUST DID WITH THE GENERAL FUND AND ALL OF THESE ARE PRETTY FAR ALONG I'M LOOKING AT ALL OF THEM AND IN FACT I DON'T SEE ANY THAT ARE NOT FAR ALONG SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET BACK TO YOU WITH SIMILAR RESULTS FOR ALL OF THE FUNDS THAT YOU SEE HERE AND THE PRETTY NEAR FUTURE. AND IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO ADD ON THE SLIDE? >> THANK YOU, SHANE. I'LL JUST SAY WE'RE PLANNING TO BRING THIS BACK ALL OF THESE IN NOVEMBER TO THE CITY COUNCIL. >> THANK YOU. OKAY, VERY GOOD. AND THEN I THINK WE CAN MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THERE'S SOMETHING ALSO KIND OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE GOT SO THAT IS WHERE WE'RE AT. >> HAPPY TO GET INTO ANYTHING YOU ALL MIGHT LIKE. THANK YOU MR. CAMANO THAT'S FASCINATING STUFF. IT'S VERY INTERESTING AND VERY RELEVANT TO OUR CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING BOTH WITH THE GENERAL FUND AND THOSE OTHER FUNDS UNDER RESERVE. I CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR WHAT YOU FIND IN THE MULTIVERSE WITH WITH THE REST OF OUR OUR FUND AS WELL. SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. COUNCIL QUESTIONS COMMENTS ON THIS COUNCILMEMBER NELSON MY FIRST QUESTION IS JUST HOW MANY OF THOSE MULTIVERSES AM I STILL A COUNCIL MEMBER? >> THAT'S ALL OF THEM. OKAY THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED THAT CONFIDENCE FIRST. MY QUESTION IS SO YOU TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE THE UNPLANNED EXPENSES AND THE RISK FACTORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT BUT SOME OF OUR UTILITY OR OUR FUNDS PARTICULARLY THE UTILITY ONES ARE FOR FRANKLY PLANNED EXPENSES GOING FORWARD. HOW DOES THAT FACTOR INTO YOUR ANALYSIS BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A DECENT HANDLE ON THE FACT THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REPLACE PIPES AND UTILITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. >> EXCELLENT QUESTION. SO WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING THAT QUITE A BIT AND WHAT WE'RE GETTING AT THERE IS WHAT I WOULD CALL TIMING RISK. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT YOUR PAST HISTORY, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY SPENT I THINK IN ALL CASES BY REMEMBERING CORRECT I HAVE THE DATA RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME BUT IT WAS I BELIEVE IT IS ALL CASES THE AMOUNT OF MONEY SPENT IS LESS THAN THE ANNUAL PLANNED AMOUNT. SO WHAT THAT'S TELLING US IS THERE'S AND AS A SUPER COMMENT THIS IS NOT UNUSUAL AT ALL WHERE THERE IS A KIND OF TIMING RISK, RIGHT WHERE PROJECTS DON'T KIND OF HAPPEN PERHAPS AS QUICKLY AS THEIR PLAN AND THIS IS AGAIN NOT JUST LOCAL GOVERNMENTS BUT LIKE ALL ORGANIZATIONS THAT BUILD CAPITAL PROJECTS. SO THE KIND OF POINT THERE IS THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY IN TERMS OF OPTIMIZING THE AMOUNT OF MONEY AND YEARS ARE RELATIVE TO THE TIMING RISK IS OF COURSE AS YOU'RE POINTING OUT VERSUS IT DOES IT MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN A RISK. >> RIGHT. SO THAT IS A DIFFERENT RISK WE'RE LOOKING AT I I I, I COUNCILMEMBER OMEGA AT WORK HERE. I ASK THIS FIRST ONE AND I'LL FORMULATE THE OTHER ONE IN MY HEAD AS WE GO ALONG HERE. YOU KNOW, SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT OCCURRED TO ME AS I WAS LOOKING AT THIS I'M A FORECASTER AT A CALL CENTER SO I USE MONTE CARLO. THAT'S ONE OF THE UNITS THAT WE UTILIZE AND SO I'LL GET TO THAT QUESTION IN A SECOND. THAT'S THE I'M FORMULATE IN MY MIND. BUT YOU KNOW WHEN WE LOOK AT OTHER TRIPLE-A CITIES IN TERMS OF NOT SURE WHO THIS QUESTIONS FOR YOU KNOW HOW DO THEY HOW DO THEY COMPARE IN TERMS OF HOW THEY HANDLE YOU KNOW, THEIR RESERVES AND IS THERE ANY FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT HOW SHOULD WE HOW SHOULD WE LOOK AT THIS? IS THERE A STANDARD KIND OF PROTOCOL OR A LEVEL THAT THOSE OTHER CITIES OR OTHER RISK PALLIES HAVE, YOU KNOW, AS A KIND OF A STANDARD THAT THEY KIND OF KIND OF GO TO AND I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE'S CERTAINLY THERE ARE OTHER CITIES THAT THAT AREN'T AREN'T TRIPLE-A LIKE WE ARE AND THEY MAY HAVE LESS OF A RESERVE AND I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS AS WE KIND OF LOOK AT THIS. >> SURE. AND I'D BE HAPPY TO JUMP IN THERE. SO THE CRITICAL THRESHOLD IS BASED ON THE RATING AGENCY GUIDELINES ARE BASED IN NO SMALL PART ON BENCHMARKING STUDIES. SO WHAT THAT'S TELLING US IS THAT TRIPLE-A CITIES OFTEN HAVE TO BE ABOUT THE AMOUNT THAT WE'VE PUT AT THE CRITICAL THRESHOLD. AND THEN I THINK AS WE SAW EARLIER IN LORI'S PRESENTATION, THERE ARE MANY OTHER THINGS THAT GO INTO BOND RATING. SO FOR EXAMPLE, VERY, VERY LARGE GOVERNMENTS MAY BE ABLE TO GAIN A TRIPLE-A BOND RATING BASED ON OTHER MERITS BESIDES THE SIZE OF THEIR RESERVE. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF THEY HAVE JUST A REALLY LARGE ECONOMIC BASE RIGHT, OR A REALLY LARGE POPULATION AND SO ON AND SO FORTH THAT COULD GIVE INVESTORS SUFFICIENT CONFIDENCE THAT THEY WOULD MERIT THAT TRIPLE-A RATING WITHOUT HAVING THE AMOUNT OF RESERVES THAT PERHAPS A SMALLER CITY LIKE BURLINGTON WOULD BE EXPECTED TO HAVE. BUT KIND OF IN THE SHORT ANSWER IS THAT THE CRITICAL THRESHOLD IS A PRETTY GOOD REPRESENTATION OF WHAT CITIES OF ABOUT POINT IN SIZE ARE USUALLY EXPECTED TO HAVE BY BINARY SYSTEM. >> OKAY. SO THAT HELPS ME TO UNDERSTAND WHY MY FEAR IS IS GENUINE THERE IN TERMS OF AS WE LOOK AT THAT SO THAT'S GOOD. SO THEN THE NEXT QUESTION I HAVE IS IN TERMS OF YOU KNOW I USED TO WORK FOR AN INSURANCE AGENCY, YOU KNOW, ASSURANCE OR A REINSURER AND SO WE'VE CERTAINLY SEEN IN THE INSURANCE MARKET WHERE YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING WITH THE CLIMATE, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON ON YOUR PERSPECTIVE, YOUR POINT OF VIEW ON THAT AND OBVIOUSLY SINCE I'M ON THE SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE MY PERSPECTIVE IS ON THAT HAVE CHANGED THE CALCULUS AS IT RELATES TO YOU KNOW, THE IMPACTS OF THOSE THOSE EVENTS THAT CAN TAKE PLACE. AND I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT YOU KNOW IN TERMS OF WHERE WE'RE AT, YOU KNOW, JUST GEOGRAPHIC THICKLY CAN WE TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT AS WE LOOK AT OUR MODELS THOSE THOSE MONTE CARLO MODELS AND HOW IS THAT HANDLED AT THAT LEVEL? YOU KNOW, DO YOU INCREASE THAT BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING MORE INCIDENTS AND WE JUST SAW THAT HAPPEN IN ALASKA WHERE THEY HAD TO EVACUATE ALL THOSE FOLKS IN THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING DOWN SOUTH. I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW HOW ARE YOU LOOKING AT THAT IN TERMS OF HOW WE PITION THE CITY IN TERMS OF ITS FUTURE WITH RESPECT TO THAT THAT MODEL? >> YEAH, SURE. GOOD QUESTION. SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF WAYS THE MODEL DOES IT IS NUMBER ONE FOR ANY GIVEN RISK YOU CAN SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE NOT DOING 110 YEAR MODEL. WE'RE DOING TEN ONE YEAR MODELS AND WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT IS THEN YOU GET CONTROL OVER EVERY SINGLE YEAR IN THE MODEL AS OPPOSED TO SAYING OH WE JUST SIMULATE ALL TEN YEARS AND IS WHAT IT IS. SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS YOU CAN THEN INCREASE THE FREQUENCY OF EVENTS FOR EACH YEAR OVER THE TEN YEARS. SO THAT IS ONE WAY WE CAN WORK ON IT AND THEN THE OTHER WAY WHICH I LIKE QUITE A BIT IS THE MODEL ALSO HAS A KIND OF WHAT I'LL CALL LIKE UNKNOWN UNKNOWNS MODULE TO IT AND SO WHAT THAT'S GETTING AT IS THE WE COULD SIT HERE FOR YOU KNOW LIKE HOURS AND LIKE COME UP WITH RISKS AND STILL MISS SOMETHING THAT MIGHT HAPPEN FIVE YEARS IN THE FUTURE OF TEN YEARS, RIGHT? LIKE FIVE YEARS AGO OR LET'S SAY TEN YEARS AGO NOT TOO MANY PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT LIKE PANDEMICS IS A THING THAT CITIES OUGHT TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT RIGHT? SO THE MODEL HAS IN IT A HISTORICALLY CALIBRATED UNKNOWN UNKNOWNS MODULE. AND SO WHAT I MEAN BY THAT AS WE LOOK BACK OR WHAT WERE WE NOT THINKING ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO AND HOW IT IS THAT END UP COSTING AND SO ON AND SO FORTH SO THE IDEA BEING IS THAT WE'RE THEN KIND OF ALLOWING LIKE A GOOD AMOUNT OF WIGGLE ROOM FOR THOSE UNKNOWABLE SORTS OF RISKS THAT WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO ESTIMATE. I NO MATTER WHAT SISKEL MODELS YOU MIGHT THROW AT IT. AND THEN JUST ONE LAST QUESTION WITH THAT. SO IF IF ONE INCREASES THE INVESTMENT IN CAPITAL OR INFRASTRUCTURE, HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THE MODEL? DOES THAT IMPROVE THE SCORE DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU DO OR IS IT JUST AT THE DISCRETION OF WHO'S EVER BUILDING THE MODEL? WHEN YOU SAY INCREASED, DO YOU MEAN LIKE MORE ROADS AND BRIDGES, THAT KIND OF THING? >> YEAH, SOME OF THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE PIECES YOU KNOW ,MAYBE ROADS AND TRADING WENT ALL WE WOULD HAVE CONTROL OVER BUT YOU KNOW THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAT SOMETIMES CAN HELP MITIGATE SOME THINGS IF IN TERMS OF YOU INVEST IN THOSE THINGS OF PIPING OR THAT KIND OF THINGS FOR FLOODS AND THAT TYPE OF THING. >> OH YEAH. SO YEAH, GREAT QUESTION. SO IF SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT BE KIND OF JUST MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU INVEST IN SOME KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT DECREASE THE PROBABILITY OF AN EVENT OR DECREASE THE MAGNITUDE OF AN EVENT OR PERHAPS AND BOLT WOULD THAT SHOW UP IN THE MODEL? >> YEAH YEAH. FOR EXAMPLE THAT OR FOR EXAMPLE YOU MIGHT YOU MIGHT SAY NOW WE HAVE A WE HAVE A FULL TIME FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT MIGHT BE ANOTHER IMPACT ON ON THE MODEL ITSELF. RIGHT SO BEFORE WE HAD A PAY ON CALL WITH WITH LESS THAT THAT YOU KNOW LEADS ITSELF TO A LARGER RISK TO MAKE A LITTLE MORE CONCRETE RUN THING AT SOME OF THESE YOU KNOW THINGS FROM INFRASTRUCTURE STANDPOINT THAT ARE MORE LIKE THAT THEY'RE LESS MANPOWER OR PEOPLE POWER TYPE THINGS. >> YEAH SO THE KIND OF SHORT ANSWER IS THAT YOU COULD DECREASE THE MAGNITUDE OR DECREASE THE PROBABILITY OF THE EVENTS AND THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE PERSON WHO'S PUTTING TOGETHER THE MODEL, RIGHT? YES CORRECT. NEXT THE QUESTIONS COUNSEL SO FOR CARI SO NOW NOW WHAT? NOW WE HAVE THIS INFORMATION. WE'RE GOING TO BE GETTING MORE INFORMATION WITH THE INDIVIDUAL FUNDS. HOW DO WE HOW DO WE PUT THIS INTO PRACTICE HERE IN BURLINGTON? >> YES. OUR MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS WE WILL HAVE THIS INFORMATION SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS PRESENTED FOR THE GENERAL FUND AS WE'LL HAVE RANGES OF A MINIMUM AND MAXIMUM FOR ALL THOSE FUNDS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND THEN THE COUNCIL CAN DECIDE WHERE YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH OUR GOALS FOR THOSE FUNDS AND WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW AND WHERE THE THE RANGES AND IF THERE'S POTENTIALLY OPPORTUNITIES FOR LOWERING THE RESERVES OR MAYBE IN SOME CASES THEY'RE LOWER THAN THEY SHOULD BE, WE'LL HAVE THAT INFORMATION WE'VE WE ALWAYS HAVE HAD GOALS FOR OUR OUR LIKE WORKING CAPITAL GOALS FOR ALL OF OUR FUNDS. SOME OF THEM MIGHT BE ADDING KIND OF WHAT SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING RESERVED FOR ONE THING AND ANOTHER THING AND DEFINITELY DID NOT HAVE THE ANALYSIS THAT WAS PROVIDED FROM THE GIVEAWAY SO NOW THAT WE HAVE REAL STATISTICAL ANALYSIS WE'LL HAVE BETTER TARGETS AND YOU CAN KIND OF MAKE DECISIONS ON WHAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE RISK SO THAT WILL BE COMING IN NOVEMBER. IT SOUNDS GREAT. AND HE ALSO ON THIS COUNCIL MR. CHAIRMAN, I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION. MS. CARLSON THANK YOU. EVENING. THANKS. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. NEXT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA COUNCIL ITEM 5.3 IS A DISCUSSION OF THE DRAFT OF THE 2026 THROUGH 2035 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. THIS ECONOMY SHOULDER IS BACK EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL THANKS FOR YOUR SO TONIGHT IS THAT THE NORMAL ANNUAL EVENTS THAT WE DO ABOUT THIS TIME EVERY YEAR WITH BRINGING YOU THE DRAFT COPY WHICH IS OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN WHEN WE PUT THE PLAN TOGETHER WE KEEP IN OUR FOREFRONT THE THREE THE MISSION STATEMENT IN THESE THREE AREAS OF CONNECTING A WELCOMING COMMUNITY, A HEALTHY COMMUNITY AND A COMMUNITY WITH ECONOMIC GROWTH. SO WITH THAT THE FOUR AREAS OF OUR AGENDA IS GOING THROUGH THE PURPOSE AND TIMELINE OF OUR CIP. SOME EXECUTIVE SUMMARY AREAS FOR 26 THROUGH 35 AND 26 THROUGH 27 PROJECT HIGHLIGHTS . SO THIS SLIDE WE'VE SEEN FOR MANY YEARS IN A ROW OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN IS A PLANNING TOOL. IT IS NOT AN OBLIGATION OF THE CITY. IT IS NOT PHYSICALLY ENCUMBERED IN ANY OF THE CITY'S DOLLARS. IT IS A PLANNING TOOL. WE INCLUDE ALL PROJECTS OVER 50,000 IN BUDGETS THAT COUNCIL RECEIVES. YOU MIGHT HAVE PROJECTS THAT INCLUDE ITEMS THAT ARE LESS THAN THE 50,000 BUT IN THE DOCUMENTS YOU WILL ONLY HAVE PROJECTS THAT ARE 50,000 OR GREATER OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS. IN THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY THAT WE PUT IN THE BEGINNING OF THE DOCUMENT AND WHAT A PORTION LITTLE PIECES ARE TONIGHT IN THE PRESENTATION ARE BEFORE YOU ARE ITEMS OF $1 MILLION AND ABOVE AGAIN I WILL EMPHASIZE THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THE APPROVAL OF THIS DOCUMENT WILL BRING A PROJECT FORWARD AND THEN WE DO FOLLOW A NORMAL PROCUREMENT RULES THAT THE COUNCIL HAS SET UP TO ACQUIRE THE PROJECTS IN OUR TIMELINES ALONG WITH THE BUDGET SEASON WE STARTED VERY EARLY THIS YEAR. WE WERE LOOKING AT AREAS THAT WE COULD REDUCE OUR DEBT BECAUSE OF WE WERE ALMOST AT A 5% INCREASE THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT IN 2026 TAX LEVY AND WE'VE NOW GOT IT BELOW 2% CLOSER TO THE 1.5% MARK. SO YOU KNOW PLANNING STARTED EARLY DEPARTMENTS HAVE REALLY FOCUSED ON ALL THEIR PIECES TO BRING THAT FORWARD AND THEN TONIGHT AS THE PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL WILL GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION NEXT MONTH THE PLANNING COMMISSION VERIFIES FOR US THAT ALL OF THE ITEMS WITHIN THAT MEET THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THEY JUST APPROVED THAT PIECE OF IT AND THEN WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL IN EARLY DECEMBER. WHAT WE CURRENTLY DO IS WE HAVE A DASHBOARD AND THIS IS ON THE CITY OF WILMINGTON'S FINANCE C I P WEBSITE AND WE POST THIS AND WE PROVIDE IT TO THE COUNCIL QUARTERLY WITHIN YOUR NEWSLETTER AND THESE ARE PROJECTS OVER 175 THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN PLACE IN OUR FORECAST TO COME IN THE NEXT 12 MONTHS. AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY JUST LOOKING THROUGH SOME OF THESE PIECES. THIS NOW INCLUDES ALL ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED AND THERE WERE CLOSE TO 50 NEW PROJECTS THAT WERE ADDED IN THIS YEAR FOR 2026 AND BEYOND. THE LARGEST ONES IS IN 2035 FOR A POLICE STATION AT 75 MILLION. I KNOW THIS IS AGAIN A PLANNING TOOL AND WE ARE LOOKING AT OTHER OPTIONS TO HELP POLICE DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO BUT HOPEFULLY WE WON'T NEED TO FULLY EXPEND THAT 75,000,000 IN 10 YEARS FROM NOW AND THEN OTHER AREAS THE SOUTH LOOP JUST A NOTE IN THE SOUTH LOOP ON AND OFF THAT'S IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS TO HIGHLIGHT THE SOUTH LOOP AREA THAT IS WHERE WE PUT THE GARAGE. YOU'RE THE PARKING FACILITY FOR THE WATER PARK SHOULD IT COME TO FRUITION WE JUST NEEDED TO GET IT IN THE DOCUMENT AND ACCOUNT FOR IT. SO THAT AGAIN IS ANOTHER 75,000,030 MILLION WE WOULD HAVE CASH ON HAND AND THEN 45 MILLION IN A TIFF BOND. SO JUST MAJOR FUNDING SOURCES. AGAIN, EARLIER WE HAD THE DEBT PIECES. WE WOULD HAVE KIP BONDS ON SOME OF THESE ITEMS. WE WOULD HAVE SEWER AVAILABILITY CHARGE SAC CHARGES FOR SOME OF THE PROJECTS WE WOULD HAVE SOME WE HAVE IN COUNTY DOLLARS AGAIN THERE'S THE WATER PARK FOR THE 30 AND THE 45 MILLION IN THE PORT AREA AND THEN OUR LAST PROJECT FOR THE SALES TAX OF 155 MILLION THAT WAS AUTHORIZED IS A $20 MILLION BOND IN EARLY FEBRUARY AND INCLUDED VERY SIMILAR TO THAT LAST DOCUMENT AND THIS SLIDE WAS SHOWN TO ALL OF THE CREDIT RATING AGENCIES SO THEY KNOW OUR DEBT SERVICE PLANS AND THEY KNOW WHAT'S COMING AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT THE CRITERIA WAS THAT THEY EVALUATED TO START. SO JUST SOME PROJECT HIGHLIGHTS FOR WHAT'S COMING IN 2627. THE TOP ONE OUT THERE IS THAT WATER PARK PARKING RAMP FOR 75 MILLION SHOULD IT COME TO FRUITION THE HIGHLIGHTED ONE ON NORTH CENTRAL SANITARY SEWER DISTRICT THAT IS PART OF OUR BONDING REQUEST AND THEN THE NINE MILE CREEK WATER AGAIN THE LAST PIECE OF OUR SALES TAX AND THEN SOME OF THE NEW PROJECTS THAT ARE JUST OUT THERE AT THE LAST BOTTOM ITEM THERE FOR THE POLICE STATION THAT'S OUT THERE TEN YEARS FROM NOW FOR THE POLICE BUILDING. BUT ALL THESE OTHER PIECES ARE OUT THERE IN DIFFERENT YEARS AS THE PRIORITIES AT THAT FACILITY HAS PLACED THEM OUT THERE HOUSING THEY ARE HE HAS NOW COME BACK INTO THE COPY. THEY WERE OUT OF THE COPY FOR MANY YEARS BUT NOW THEY'RE BACK IN AND WE'RE TRACKING FOR THEIR IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE DOING ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. IT'S ALSO PORT AUTHORITY THE LAND DULEEP MANDELA IN PARKING AREA AND THEN THE WATER PARK AGAIN AND THEN JUST THE NORMAL SURFACE TRANSPORTATION AREAS JUST A LIST OF PROJECTS IN THE PARK AREAS AND THEN NORMALLY WHEN THE COUNCIL APPROVES THIS IN DECEMBER IT KIND OF GIVES THE STAFF A GREEN LIGHT TO START MOVING AHEAD. THEY PREPARE CERTAIN GAUGE AND CONSULTANTS, THEY START PREPARING STUDIES. THEY MAY BRING BID PACKAGES AND DESIGN PARTS BACK BUT NORMALLY ALONG THESE STEPS THEY'RE KEEPING COUNCIL INFORMED EITHER IN OUR QUARTERLY REPORTS FOR THEIR ADD ON THESE ITEMS OR AS BID PACKAGES AND THOSE ITEMS COME BEFORE COUNCIL. THEY'RE COMING BEFORE COUNCIL BECAUSE THERE ARE OVER 775,000 AND THAT CONCLUDES JUST THE OVERVIEW OF THE PLANNING TOOL WHICH IS OUR COMPREHENSIVE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND WE'LL TAKE QUESTIONS OR IF THERE'S ANY ITEMS THAT YOU HAVE ITEMS THAT YOU WANT US TO LOOK AT OR DELVE DEEPER IN BETWEEN NOW AND DECEMBER, PLEASE LET US KNOW. COUNCILMEMBER CARTER I'M HERE SO THANK YOU FOR REMINDING US THAT THIS IS A PLANNING DOCUMENT AND MANY OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THERE KIND OF THREE, 4 OR 510 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD ARE TBD. SO THIS ISN'T A PROMISE THAT THEY'RE GETTING DONE. SO I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE ONES SLATED FOR 2026 AND 2027. THERE ARE A COUPLE THAT I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SO CIVIC PLAZA LUNCHROOM AND THEN THE 84TH STREET PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE AND THESE MAY HAVE COME UP LIKE YOU KNOW ONE WEEKLY OR SOMETHING AND I MISSED IT BUT I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN GETTING MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THOSE. I MEAN I'VE RECENTLY BEEN IN THE LUNCHROOM AND IT LOOKS PERFECTLY FINE SO JUST KIND OF A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHY WE WOULD NEED THAT KIND OF REPLACEMENT. AND THEN A QUESTION ON THE PARK SLIDE ARE THOSE ALL SLATED FOR I SAW THE DASH 26 SO BUT I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THOSE AREN'T ALL SLATED FOR 26. NO, ALL THOSE ARE NEW PROJECTS THAT WERE ADDED JUST ADDED THEY WOULD HAPPEN AT ANY POINT IN THE FUTURE BUT NOT AND THEY'RE NOT BEING PROPOSED FOR 26 OR 27. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. AND THEN FOR THE NICOLLET AVENUE RECONSTRUCTION, I MEAN THAT'S A HENNEPIN COUNTY ROAD . SO WHY DID WHY DOES BLOOMINGTON HAVE TO PAY ABOUT 40 MILLION FOR IT? ONE MOMENT SEEMS TO REALLY JULIE LONG, OUR CITY ENGINEER WILL COME AND JOIN ME SO WE'LL GIVE YOU THE HEADS UP ON THAT ONE . MR. MAYOR, COUNCILMEMBER CARTER THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE TO PAY $40 MILLION FOR THE PROJECT AND YOUR QUESTION IS ONE WEEK EARLY OR EARLY BECAUSE HENNEPIN COUNTY WILL BE GIVING A PRESENTATION ON THE NICOLLET AVENUE PROJECT AT NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. BUT THEY DO HAVE A COST PARTICIPATION POLICY AND SO WE ARE REQUIRED TO COST PARTICIPATE WITH THE PROJECT. AND SO OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD I THINK THE CURRENT ESTIMATE DEPENDING ON WHAT ALTERNATIVE WE'RE LOOKING AT IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN SIX AND A HALF AND $9 MILLION. THAT WOULD BE THE CITY COST. SO WHAT'S REFLECTED IN THIS IS THE TOTAL PROJECT COST AND THE CITY'S POOR PORTION IS LESS THAN THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT AND GIVE ME STICKER SHOCK A LITTLE IF I REMEMBER ANYTHING THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO BE TOUCHED WE LIST THE ENTIRE PROJECT COST FOR EXAMPLE THE 35 W BRIDGE OVER THE RIVER WAS NOT OUR PROJECT. I THINK WE HAD A PIECE OF IT AND SO WE LISTED THAT ENTIRE WHAT WAS IT A $60 MILLION PROJECT BUT THAT WAS THAT WAS STATE FUNDING BUT THAT JUST SHOWS UP JUST SO WE CAN GET OUR ARMS AROUND THAT THE COST AND WHAT OUR OUR PARTICIPATION IS. AM I CORRECT IN REMEMBERING WE TRIED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU SEE THE FULL PICTURE AS MUCH AS WE AS MUCH AS WE KNOW. >> AND SO I THINK THAT'S THE CASE WHERE I'M SEEING THAT WITH NICOLETTE I'M SEEING IT WITH OLD GEOGRAPHY ROAD AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF PROJECTS THAT ARE PRETTY PRICEY BUT A LOT OF THEM HAVE HENNEPIN COUNTY DOLLARS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM AND A BIT OF BLOOMINGTON BUT PRIMARILY HENNEPIN COUNTY BECAUSE IT'S A HARPER COUNTY PROJECT. >> YES, MR. MAYOR, THAT IS CORRECT. BUT IT IS ALSO WHY ON OUR LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES WITH BOTH THE STATE AND THEN ALSO HOPEFULLY NEXT WITH HENNEPIN COUNTY THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE COST PARTICIPATION DROP BECAUSE WE'RE SPENDING OUR LOCAL DOLLARS ON OTHER PEOPLE'S INFRASTRUCTURE AND AS YOU ARE AWARE WE HAVE ENOUGH INFRASTRUCTURE OF OUR OWN TO SPEND OUR MONEY AND CERTAINLY DO YES, WE CERTAINLY DO. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS COUNCIL COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN THANK YOU. AND I THANK MY COLLEAGUE FOR AGAIN BRINGING UP YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS THAT ARE ON THIS LIST THAT THEY ARE NOT YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT A FOR CERTAIN DEAL OR A DONE DEAL OR EVEN THE PRICES ARE FOR EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE IS IT'S KIND OF A BOOKMARK A POSSIBILITY THAT MAY HAPPEN OR OCCUR AND I KNOW WE HAD THAT IN THE EARLIER DRAFT BUT STILL FOLKS SOMETIMES JUST MISS THAT AND JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT THEY HEAR THAT WHEN THEY SEE THAT THEY'RE SO MAYBE I'LL START HERE THEN SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE COST AND THE PRICES THAT ARE THAT ARE IN HERE I IMAGINE THAT SO FOR EXAMPLE WITH THE WATER PARK RAMP THAT'S OUT THERE THAT'S JUST AN ESTIMATE. HOW DO WE GET TO THAT ESTIMATE JUST YOU KNOW, JUST TO HELP FOLKS UNDERSTAND THAT AND HOW HOW WE GET TO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT TYPE OF THAT TYPE OF NUMBER. >> MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN, WHEN WE'VE HAD DEVELOPMENT CONVERSATIONS WITH THE MALL OF AMERICA AND THE AMOUNT OF TIFF THAT CONTINUE TO COME IN BETWEEN NOW AND 2034, THERE IS ONLY SO MUCH AND SO AND THERE ARE OTHER I WOULD SAY IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NEITHER BESIDES THE PARKING RAMP. SO WE'RE LIMITED TO A VERY I'LL CALL IT NARROW VIEW OF HOW MUCH DOLLARS COME IN AND SOME FOLKS MAY BE CONFUSED, YOU KNOW, MAYOR, TO SEE THE THAT WATER PARK RAMP ON THERE AND I KNOW THAT WHEN THE ORIGINAL MALL OF AMERICA CAME ABOUT OF IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE PARTICIPATED IN THAT I WASN'T HERE. BUT SURE IF YOU WERE HERE FOR THAT AT ALL EITHER BUT WE PARTICIPATED IN THAT IN TERMS OF OF THAT THAT RAMP AND PUTTING THAT PUTTING THAT TOGETHER, THAT'S PART OF THE THINGS THAT A CITY WOULD DO FROM AN INFRASTRUCTURAL STANDPOINT AND THOUGH IT'S RATHER LARGE AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG THAT THAT'S ONE THING WHERE A CITY CAN PARTICIPATE IN TERMS OF HELPING WITH A WITH A WITH THE PRIVATE SIDE OF THE OF THE HOUSE. YEAH MARY AND COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN, I DON'T THINK ANYONE IN THE ROOM IS HERE WHEN THE MALL OF AMERICA DEALS WERE GOING ON BUT AND HISTORICALLY LOOKING AT THE DATA THOSE PARKING RAMPS THAT ARE I WOULD CALL WE WERE THERE WHEN IT OPENED COST ABOUT $120 MILLION BACK THEN AND YOU CAN'T BUILD ONE SIDE OF THAT RAMP NOW FOR 120 MILLION BECAUSE THOSE ARE BIG RAMPS SO PASSIVE REALLY CHANGED IN 30 SOME YEARS. I APPRECIATE THAT. SO THAT'S A GOOD ANOTHER DISCUSSION THAT I WANT TO HAVE LATER ON THAT DREW ME INTO THIS SO JUST A COUPLE ITEMS THAT I HAD SOME QUESTIONS ON OF LISA SO THAT I COULD IDENTIFY THE FIRE STATION TO REBUILD YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT BUT JUST WANTED TO JUST GET A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT IN TERMS OF IN TERMS OF WHAT IT COST AND AND THAT MAKES SENSE. JUST JUST HAVE A BETTER IDEA AND I KNOW YOU SENT STUFF OUT ABOUT IT BUT IT'D BE NICE TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT. I DON'T NECESSARILY ADHERE TODAY AND THEN THE SEVENTH AND HOPKINS THAT THAT SANITARY SEWER ALSO KIND OF PIQUES MY INTEREST AS WELL IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE SPENDING ON THAT AND IF THERE'S A LARGER A LARGER WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH THAT THAT AREA DOWN THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU, COUNSEL. ANYTHING ELSE? WELL, IT'S BEEN SAID FIVE TIMES BUT I'M GOING TO SAY THE SIXTH THAT THIS IS A PLANNING DOCUMENT BECAUSE I GUARANTEE YOU SOMEBODY'S GOING TO WATCH THIS AND SAY THEY WANT TO SPEND A BAJILLION DOLLARS. I THIS IS A PLANNING DOCUMENT THAT LEADS TO FIRST OF ALL IT'S NECESSARY IF WE WANT TO HAVE ANY PARTICIPATION, ANY POSSIBILITY OF DOING ANY OF THESE WE NEED TO HAVE THESE ON A LIST AND PART OF OUR PROJECT IF WE WANT TO GO FOR STATE DOLLARS, IF WE WANT IF WE WANT TO LOOK FOR GRANTS OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES AND IT IS A PLANNING DOCUMENT AND NOT A DOCUMENT THAT WE STAND ABSOLUTELY CARVED IN STONE THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO EVERY ONE OF THESE. THAT'S CORRECT. MAYOR ALL OF THEM CAN CHANGE ALL THE PROJECTS. EXACTLY. YOU CAN DENY ANY OF THEM AS THEY'RE COMING TOWARDS. EXACTLY. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU MUCH. OUR LAST ITEM ON OUR ORGANIZATIONAL BUSINESS COUNCIL IS A BUDGET DISCUSSION FOR 2026. A COUPLE OF THEM ACTUALLY FIRST FOR OUR EXTERNAL SERVICES TEAM AND THEN REGARDING OUR UTILITY RATES AND I THINK WE'RE STARTING WITH THE EXTERNAL SERVICES TEAM. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. OKAY. AND I THINK WE GOT A BUNCH OF FOLKS WHO ARE GOING TO BE PART OF THIS. I WANT TO START WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND LOW MORALE AND I'LL LET YOU KICK IT OFF. >> YES. HELLO AGAIN, MARIN COUNCIL MEMBERS SO SO THIS IS THE EXTERNAL SERVICES TEAM LAST WEEK WAS THE INTERNAL SERVICES TEAM BUDGETS SO THE ORDER THAT HAS COMING IS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND THEN PARKS AND RECREATION FOLLOWED BY PUBLIC HEALTH AND THEN PUBLIC WORKS AND THEN AT THE END WE'LL HAVE THE UTILITY FUNDS AND THE UTILITY RATES. SO WITH THAT I'LL HAND IT OVER TO KIM BERGEN, OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. THANK YOU MUCH. GOOD EVENING, MISS BERGEN. WELCOME. HELLO, MARIN COUNCIL. I'M HERE TONIGHT TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN COMMITTEE DEVELOPMENT RELATED TO OUR BUDGET. WE'LL TALK ABOUT STAFFING AND SOME OF THE IMPACTS AND LEARNINGS FROM THE PRIORITY BASED BUDGET BUDGETING AS WELL AS EMERGING TOPICS. THE DEPARTMENT IS STRUCTURED WITH SIX DIVISIONS AND THEY EACH DO DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT THINGS RANGING FROM INSPECTIONS TO HOUSING AND PLANNING AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 87 FULL TIME EMPLOYEES THAT MAKE UP THE DEPARTMENT OUR BUDGET ON THE COMMITTEE DEVELOPMENT SIDE AND NOW THIS EXCLUDES THE BOARD IN EACH AREA WHICH I KNOW YOU KNOW WELL IS OPERATED AS SEPARATE LEGAL ENTITIES WITH THEIR OWN BUDGETS. BUT SO THIS IS JUST THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY I'M IN OPERATIONS AND WE ARE SPENDING ABOUT $11.6 MILLION ON OPERATIONS PRIMARILY STAFF AND SALARY STAFF AND BENEFITS AND THEN WE DO ARE ABLE TO BRING IN ABOUT 4.8 MILLION PROJECTED FOR 2026 IN REVENUE IS TO OFFSET SOME OF THOSE EXPENSES OF OPERATING THOSE SERVICES. AND I SHOULD HAVE POINTED OUT TOO THAT THE INCREASES THAT ARE PROJECTED BOTH IN SPENDING AND REVENUE ARE VERY MODEST GOING INTO 2026 IN TERMS OF LEARNINGS FROM PARTY BASED BUDGETING WHEN WE DUG IN A LITTLE BIT TO THINKING ABOUT OUR SERVICES IN PROGRAM AREAS WE IDENTIFIED A FEW OPPORTUNITIES FOR ALIGNMENT AND THIS IS ALSO THROUGH CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE HAPPENED OVER THE PAST YEAR. THE FIRST TO HIGHLIGHT IS THAT THE BUILDING AND THE BUILDING INSPECTORS WHO HAVE MORE VARIED WORK THROUGHOUT THE YEAR ARE GETTING TRAINED UP TO DO SOME HRA HOUSING INSPECTIONS. SO THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE OF INTERNAL PARTNERSHIPS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT AND ALSO I'M JUST WANTING TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR SUPPORTING THE OTHER TEAMS WITHIN THE EXTERNAL SERVICES GROUPS IN THAT ORGANIZATION. THERE'S A LOT OF PARTNERSHIPS THAT ARE HAPPENING WHERE COMMITTED ON THE STAFF ARE SUPPORTING BOTH PROJECTS THAT PUBLIC WORKS ARE INITIATING AS WELL AS THE PARK AND REC DEPARTMENT WITH ALL OF THEIR BIG CAPITAL INVESTMENTS GOING ON RIGHT NOW. CERTAINLY THE PLANNING TEAM AS WELL AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ARE MOST LIKELY INVOLVED AS WELL AS OUR INSPECTORS THAT ARE SUPPORTING THOSE DEVELOPMENTS IN TERMS OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR REVENUE GENERATION, IF YOU RECALL LAST YEAR WE DID BRING FORWARD SOME MORE SUBSTANTIAL FEE INCREASES IN THE RENTAL AREA AND THAT WAS TO ALIGN BETTER ALIGN REVENUES WITH OUR EXPENSES FOR THAT PROGRAM AREA AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO LOOK WITH PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING ACROSS THE VARIOUS PROGRAM AREAS. AND THE OTHER ONE THAT POPPED OUT IN LOOKING AT THAT IS MAYBE TAKING A LOOK AT THE TIME OF SALE FEES THAT ARE BEING CHARGED RIGHT NOW TO MAKE SURE IT'S COVERING COSTS. THE OTHER AREA WHERE TEAMS ARE LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES TO INCREASE FEES ARE PLANNING AND BUILDING INSPECTIONS AS WELL AS THE JURY IN TERMS OF EFFICIENCIES, I WOULD SAY THAT THE BIGGEST THING THAT THE DEPARTMENT HAS DONE IS CONVERT MOST OF OUR OPERATIONS TO BE AVAILABLE ONLINE WHICH BOTH OFFERS EFFICIENT FEES FOR STAFF AND FOR CUSTOMERS AND ALSO OFFERS EXTENDED SERVICE HOURS TO OUR CUSTOMERS WHO CAN OBTAIN SERVICES IN THE EVENING ON WEEKENDS WHEN THEY NEED TO. WE HAVE A NEW PROGRAM GOING ONLINE JUST HERE IN OCTOBER AND WE'RE CONTINUING TO KIND OF WHITTLE AWAY AT THE REMAINING ITEMS THAT YOU CAN'T DO ONLINE. THAT ONE IS FOR SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS GETTING PAID ONLINE. AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE BUDGET HIGHLIGHTS, THERE'S NOT A LOT TO OFFER WITH MOST OF OUR BUDGET BEING STAFF AND SALARIES AND WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE STAFFING PLAN SUBSTANTIALLY. ONE ADJUSTMENT TO STAFFING IS THAT WE ARE REMOVING A POINT FIVE FTE FROM THE ASSESSING TEAM THAT POSITION'S BEEN VACANT FOR A LITTLE WHILE HE BECAUSE THEY HAD QUITE A BIT OF TURNOVER IN THAT TEAM AND HIRING ON THE NEW PEOPLE THEY THINK THEY CAN MAINTAIN THE WORKLOAD WITH THE EXISTING STAFF AND KEEP THAT POSITION VACANT SO IT WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE BUDGET. WE ALSO HAVE PROJECTED PRETTY FLAT REVENUES GOING INTO 2026 AS WE KNOW DEVELOPMENT IS PRETTY SLOW AND A LOT OF THOSE FEES ARE TIED DIRECTLY TO DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN THE AREA I'LL HIGHLIGHT IS JUST THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT MAKES THEM DECREASES IN THE CONTRACTUAL SERVICES BUDGET WE HAVE TAKEN SOME ADDITIONAL SOME ITEMS THAT WERE BEING DONE EXTERNALLY AND WE'RE DOING THEM INTERNALLY. ONE EXAMPLE IS THE BLOOMINGTON ECONOMIC PARTNERSHIP THAT HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN CONTRACTED OUT AND WE'RE NOW ADMINISTERING THAT WITH EXISTING STAFF. AND I'LL JUST FINISH WITH SOME EMERGING TOPICS RELATED TO COMMITTEE DEVELOPMENT. AS I HAD ALREADY MENTIONED, DEVELOPMENT IS SLOWING DOWN NOT JUST FOR US BUT ACROSS THE REGION AND NATION GIVEN MARKET CONDITIONS. SO THAT DOES IMPACT ACTIVITY LEVELS IN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ALTHOUGH WE ARE CONTINUING TO SEE REINVESTMENT HAPPEN AND SOME OF THE PUBLIC PROJECTS AS WELL AS SCHOOLS DOING INVESTMENTS SO THERE'S STILL PLENTY OF ACTIVITY IN THE CONSTRUCTION IN CONSTRUCTION SPACE AS YOU KNOW, FEDERAL MONEY IS DEFINITELY A QUESTION MARK RIGHT NOW THAT PRIMARILY IMPACTS THE HOUSING REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY TEAM AND THEN ALSO OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM, THE PORT AUTHORITY IS STILL BUILDING OUT ITS EXPANDED SERVICES THAT ARE NOW CITYWIDE AND THE NEW WORK ARIEL'S A PILOT FOR 2026. YOU HAVE SEEN THE DRAFT IDEAS RELATED TO THE PROPOSED PARKING RAMP ORDINANCE. SO THAT WILL BE A NEW SMALL BODY OF WORK FOR THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS TEAM THAT DOES BRING IN ASSOCIATED FEE REVENUE AND THEN EACH AREA IS EXPANDING ITS SERVICES BY RECENTLY BEING AWARDED A SUBSTANTIAL GRANT FROM THE STATE TO RUN A STATE FUNDED RENTAL VOUCHER PROGRAM. SO THERE WILL BE ONE NEW STAFF POSITION THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THAT FUNDED BY THE GRANT . AND THEN FINALLY A KIND OF EXCITING THING IF YOU LIKE PLANNING AND LONG RANGE THINKING IS THE LAUNCH OF THE 2050 COMP PLAN WHICH WE ARE GOING TO BE STARTING IN 2026. IT'S A THREE YEAR PROCESS SO WE'LL GET TO TALK ABOUT IT FOR A LONG TIME BETWEEN 2026 AND WHEN IT'S DUE IN 2028 AND WE ARE DOING ALL OF THAT WORK PRIMARILY IN-HOUSE RATHER THAN USING CONSULTANTS TO DO IT. SO THAT'S WHAT I'LL FINISH WITH. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT COMMITTEE DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU MUCH. YOU MENTIONED WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE BUDGET REQUEST THE GENERAL FUND IN GENERAL I SEEN THAT THE TOTAL REVENUES SINCE 2024 HAVE GONE DOWN A COUPLE OF MILLION DOLLARS. CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THAT IS THE REASON BEHIND THAT MOST OF THE REVENUE WAS IN COMMITTEE DEVELOPMENT ARE TIED TO THE BUILDING AND INSPECTIONS TEAM. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS, 2024 WAS A BIG YEAR FOR DEVELOPMENT AND 2025 THAT'S THE BUDGET NOT THE ACTUALS. I THINK WE CAME IN HIGHER BUT WE ARE PROJECTING A PRETTY MODEST 2026 NUMBER. IT'S ANYBODY'S BEST GUESS SO WE CERTAINLY YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY ELSE COULD TAKE A DIFFERENT GUESS ABOUT WHAT THOSE REVENUES WILL BE NEXT YEAR. SO IT'S JUST DEVELOPMENT SLOWING DOWN OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND THERE IS A CHANCE YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS ON WHO YOU ASK. SOME PEOPLE ARE FEELING MORE OPTIMISTIC NOW WITH RATES COMING DOWN A LITTLE BIT BUT OTHERS ARE FEELING LIKE THERE'S GOING TO BE A COUPLE OF YEARS OF VERY SLOW DEVELOPMENT AND OTHER QUESTIONS. COUNCIL ALL RIGHT, VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT ON MY LIST IS PARKS AND REC. ALISON WARREN IS HERE TO TALK TO US. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS. I CAN DO WITHOUT MY PRESENTATION. OH, WELL I COULD I COULD TRY. IT WON'T BE AS NEARLY AS EXCITING. THAT'S OKAY. I CAN TELL YOU A JOKE. NO, I CAN'T. I COULD TRY BUT I DIDN'T AS IT WON'T BE FUNNY. OKAY, SO MY NAME IS ALLISON MOUA AND I AM THE ANALYTICS AND STRATEGY MANAGER FOR THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT AND I'M HERE TODAY TO PRESENT TO YOU THE 2026 BUDGET FOR OUR DEPARTMENT AS YOU PREVIOUSLY SAW WITH KIM. WE'LL LOOK AT A LITTLE BIT OF OUR STRUCTURE, OUR REQUEST PRIORITY BASED BUDGET ANALYSIS AND THEN SOME HIGHLIGHTS AND EMERGING TOPICS FROM OUR DEPARTMENT. SO FIRST OF ALL HERE IS OUR STAFFING STRUCTURE FOR THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT. WE ARE LED BY OUR DIRECTOR AND CATTERY AND SEPARATED INTO TWO PRIMARY AREAS AS OVERSEEN BY OUR TWO DEPUTY DIRECTORS PRIMARILY OVER PARK MAINTENANCE NATURAL RESOURCES AND OUR PARK PROJECTS AND THEN OVER OUR FACILITIES AND RECREATION AREA WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 61 FULL TIME EMPLOYEES ACROSS ALL OF OUR FACILITIES AND WE STAFF OVER 350 PART TIME SEASONAL EMPLOYEES AS WELL. SO AS FAR AS OUR GENERAL FUND YOU CAN SEE UP YOUR 2026 BUDGET REQUEST IS FOCUSING HERE TO REMAIN LEAN AND FOCUS ON THESE EFFICIENCIES AS WELL AS OUR OPERATIONAL BUDGETS ARE CONTINUING TO UTILIZE OUR PARK SYSTEM MASTER PLAN AND OUR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS PLAN AND CONTINUING TO ALIGN WITH THOSE. SO THE HIGHLIGHTS HERE ARE THAT WE SEE A DECREASE IN REVENUE AS WE'RE NO LONGER ACCEPTING RESERVATIONS AT MOYER PARK DUE TO THE CLOSURE AND A COUPLE OF OTHER FACILITY OPERATIONAL CHANGES THERE AND THEN WE SEE SOME EXPENDITURES INCREASING MAINLY DUE TO STAFFING AND BENEFITS BUT ALSO A LARGER INCREASE DUE TO ADDING TENNIS COURT RESURFACING MAINTENANCE INTO OUR BUDGET AS WE BEGIN TO ANALYZE OUR DIFFERENT ASSETS AND WHAT TYPE OF REPLACEMENT STRUCTURE AND MAINTENANCE STRUCTURE WE NEED AS WE LOOK THROUGH THAT. I MEAN IT'S AN OPERATIONS PLAN YOU'LL CONTINUE TO START SEE SOME MORE OF THESE INCREASES IN OUR PARK MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT AS WE GO THROUGH OUR DIFFERENT ASSETS AND OUR DIFFERENT PIECES OF EQUIPMENT AND PIECES OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND WHAT THAT TAKES FOR US TO MAINTAIN AND WHAT TYPE OF LEVEL OF SERVICE WE WANT TO PROVIDE IN THOSE DIFFERENT ASSETS. NEXT WE'LL LOOK AT GOLF HERE WHICH IS ALL GOOD NEWS AND SURPRISINGLY BORING WHICH IS GOOD WHEN WE TALK TO BUDGETS WE WILL SEE LIMITED INCREASES HERE IN REVENUE BUT WE WILL NOT CONTINUE TO NEED TAX SUPPORT FOR OPERATING TO OUR GOLF COURSE. YOU PREVIOUSLY SAW A $300,000 EXPENDITURE IN HERE WHICH YOU CAN SEE THE DECREASE IN 2025 THAT WAS INITIALLY BUDGETED FOR THE STUDY OF THE REPLACEMENT OF DON'S PREVIOUSLY SCHEDULED TO BE FUNDED BY CHARTER BONDS IN 2026. SINCE WE MOVED THAT TO 2028 WE ARE DECREASING THOSE EXPENDITURES HERE BUT YOU WILL LIKELY BE SEEING THAT AGAIN IN THE 2027 BUDGET AS WE PLAN FOR THE REPLACEMENT IN 2028 AND THAT REPLACEMENT WOULD NEED THOSE TAX FUNDS TO REPAY THOSE BONDS. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, YOU THINK I THINK YOU SAID THE REPLACEMENT OF DWAN YOU MET THE REPLACEMENT OF THAT ONE CLUBHOUSE RIGHT? I DID. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO JUST DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO PANIC SO NO PANICKING YET. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NEXT WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE BLOOMINGTON ICE GARDEN. AND FIRST THESE NUMBERS LOOK A LITTLE CRAZIER THAN DON'S BUT WE DO WANT YOU TO TRY AND FOCUS ON THE 24 ACTUAL COMPARED TO THE 26 BUDGET. AS YOU'RE AWARE, WE ARE CLOSED FOR A LARGE PORTION OF 2025 AND THOSE IMPACTED BOTH REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES HERE . IF WE DO COMPARE FROM 24 TO 25 WE'RE SEEING A DECREASE IN EXPENDITURES DUE TO THE IMPROVED INFRASTRUCTURE OUT THERE AND SOME OF OUR SUSTAINABILITY MEASURES. AND THEN YOU'LL ALSO SEE AN INCREASE LIKELY IN OUR INCOME DUE TO THE INCREASE IN FEES AND OUR HIGHER QUALITY OPERATION THAT WE HAVE NEAR HERE AT BIG. I ALSO DO WANT TO NOTE THAT IN THE LONG TERM MODEL AS WE CONTINUE TO SEE THESE INCREASES IN REVENUES WE ARE ANTICIPATING TO BE ABLE TO PULL THE OPERATIONAL TAX SUBSIDY FROM THIS BUDGET AS SOON AS 2028 AND THEN THE REMAINING TAX SUBSIDY THAT CURRENTLY COVERS THE DEBT SERVICE FROM OUR PAST REMODEL WOULD BE PULLING OFF IN 2030. MOVING ON TO THE CENTER FOR THE ARTS ANOTHER BUDGET WHERE WE SEE LITTLE TO NO CHANGE. THIS IS PARTICULARLY BECAUSE WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR OPERATIONAL STUDY FOR THE CENTER FOR THE ARTS AND SO AS WE LOOK AT HOW WE OPERATE THAT WILL ALSO INCLUDE HOW WE BUDGET AND HOW WE RECOUP OUR OUR EXPENDITURES HERE AT THIS FACILITY. SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO ENGAGE THE COUNCIL THROUGH THIS STUDY AND YOU'LL GET MORE INFORMATION FROM US AS TO HOW THIS COULD BE RESTRUCTURED BEFORE THE 2027 BUDGET PROCESS . THERE'S MORE WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE AQUATICS FUND NOW AND SO THIS IS ESSENTIALLY ENCOMPASSING OUR BLOOMINGTON FAMILY AQUATIC CENTER AGAIN, YOU'LL SEE LITTLE TO NO CHANGE AS WE LOOK TO CONTINUE TO KEEP OUR FLEET FEES FLAT OR LITTLE INCREASES JUST FOR SOME OF OUR SPECIFIC PASSES AND THEN OUR EXPENDITURES ALSO REMAIN FLAT EXCEPT FOR OUR SALARIES AND BENEFITS AS WE CONTINUE TO HIRE OUR PART TIME SEASONAL STAFF AND WANT TO CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THAT. WE ARE ALSO JUST WORTH NOTING WORKING THROUGH AN INSURANCE CLAIM FOR THE LEAK THAT WE EXPERIENCED THIS PAST SUMMER AND SO WE ARE STILL WORKING TO FINALIZE THOSE NUMBERS BUT HOPE TO RECOUP SOME OF THOSE LOSSES TO CONTINUE TO IMPROVE THE BOTTOM LINE OF THIS CAPITAL FUND. WE ARE STILL HOLDING ON ALL OF OUR CAPITAL EXPENDITURES AT THE POOL PER DIRECTION FROM CITY COUNCIL LAST YEAR AND WE ARE ANTICIPATING A REMODEL IN 2030 WITH CHARTER BONDS THAT WOULD ALSO CONTINUE TO NEED TAX PAYMENT FOR THAT REFUND. AND MY LAST BUDGET FOR YOU IS OUR SPECIAL PROJECTS REVENUE WHICH ARE EXCUSE ME BUDGET WHICH HISTORICALLY HAS SERVED ITSELF AS FOR OUR LOTTERY AND LOU FUNDING WHICH IS NOW AS A PASS THROUGH TO THREE RIVERS PARK DISTRICT AS WELL AS OUR GRANT FUNDING FOR HENNEPIN COUNTY. SO THIS IS A PASS THROUGH FOR BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS AND NOW MAINLY HOUSES OUR FORESTRY EXPENDITURES HERE AND WE WILL BE LOOKING FOR SOME SORT OF EXPENDITURE INFLUX HERE AS WE GET TO THE PEAK OF THE REMOVALS OF EMERALD ASH BORER AND THE NEED TO COMPLETE THOSE REMOVALS TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT AND ACTUAL USAGE OF THIS REALLY FLUCTUATES SO YOU CAN SEE IN THOSE EXPENDITURES THERE HOW THINGS CHANGE DEPENDING ON HOW OUR RESIDENTS USE THAT SERVICE AND THEN THOSE REVENUES COME IN THROUGH THOSE TAX ASSESSMENTS. ALL RIGHT. PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING. SO WE TALK ABOUT FOUR OPPORTUNITIES FOR ALIGNMENT. WE HAVE THREE TOP CATEGORIES HERE. WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO CENTRALIZE SERVICES TO IMPROVE EFFICIENCY AND SOME THINGS THAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE ARE WORKING TO DO IS TO CONSOLIDATE OUR CONCESSIONS OPERATIONS MANAGEMENT AND MANAGEMENT OVER ALL OF OUR FACILITIES. WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO SHARE STAFFING OUR WORK TO SHARE STAFFING TO THE BLOOMINGTON FAMILY AQUATIC CENTER AND OUR COMMUNITY HEALTH AND WELLNESS WHO BOTH HAVE AQUATIC FACILITIES AND CONTINUE TO INCREASE THE UTILIZATION OF OUR MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE AND OTHER PURCHASING AGREEMENTS AND OTHER CENTRALIZED SERVICES . WE WANT TO ALIGN OUR PROGRAMS FOR SUSTAINABILITY AND SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING ARE WORKING TOWARDS THAT COST RECOVERY MODEL WITH A TIERED PRICING AND DIFFERENT BUSINESS PLANS AND IMPLEMENTING THE SERVICE LEVELS FOR THIS. SO THOSE DIFFERENT PARK MAINTENANCE ASSETS THAT WE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED. AND THEN FINALLY AS YOU MENTIONED WE DO WANT TO ALSO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OUR INTERNAL SERVICES TEAM AND FIND MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PARTNERSHIP THERE, SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR REVENUE GENERATION IN ORDER TO DIVERSIFY OUR REVENUE THROUGH FEES. SO YOU'LL CONTINUE TO SEE OUR FEES COMING UP HERE IN DECEMBER AND HOW WE ARE EXPANDING THOSE AND MAKING THEM MORE ACCESSIBLE AS WELL AS SPONSORSHIPS. WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO BUILD PARTNERSHIPS SUCH AS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THE RIVERS PARK DISTRICTS AND THOSE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES. WE RECENTLY APPLIED FOR. TEN HAVE BEEN COUNTY GRANTS PASS LAST COUNCIL SO WE'RE CONTINUING TO GET THROUGH MORE OF THOSE GRANTS AND ALSO INCREASING FEES FOR THAT COMMERCIAL PARK USE AND SO PEOPLE ARE UTILIZING OUR PARKS TO FUND THEIR BUSINESS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE GAINING REVENUE FROM THAT AS WELL. SOME OPERATION FOR COST SAVINGS, COST SAVINGS OR EFFICIENCIES I CONTINUE TO USE TECHNOLOGICAL TECHNOLOGY AND STREAMLINE OPERATIONS. SOME OF THOSE LED UPGRADES ARE OTHER SUSTAINABILITY UPGRADES AS WE LOOK FOR DIFFERENT UTILITY SAVINGS, EXPANDING OUR VOLUNTEER PROGRAM AND CONTINUING SOME OF THESE MAJOR PARTNERSHIPS THAT WE HAVE TODAY. SOME HIGHLIGHTS JUST TO OVERSEE HERE TO KIND OF PUT US TO AN END HERE WE HAVE THAT 30,000 DECREASE DUE TO THE CLOSURE OF MOYER PARK AND WE DO HAVE A LOT OF CELL TOWER RENTAL REVENUE THAT GOES INTO PARKS AND RECREATION. THERE IS A SMALL DECREASE DUE TO ONE OF THOSE BEING REMOVED SOME OTHER SMALLER DECREASES HERE BUT THEN AN INCREASE IN OVERALL PROGRAMING OF $30,000 FOR OUR YOUTH AND FAMILY PROGRAMING A $100,000 INCREASE IN GOLF DUE TO THEIR FEE INCREASES THE 1.3 MILLION INCREASE IN ICE GARDEN DUE TO US BEING OPEN AND THEN $150 MILLION INCREASE IN THAT TENNIS AND BASKETBALL COURT MAINTENANCE AS I SHARED EARLIER SOME MY MARGIN TOPICS THAT COME FROM THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT THAT YOU'LL EXPECT TO BE HEARING ABOUT FROM US SOMETIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE WOULD BE ASSET MANAGEMENT SYSTEM FOR SOME OF THOSE ASSETS AS WE CONTINUE TO DO THAT UTILIZING A SYSTEM THAT WILL HELP US BE MORE PREDICTIVE INTO THE FUTURE SOME AUTOMATED IRRIGATION CONTROLS AND OTHER SUSTAINABILITY MEASURES. I BELIEVE WE SPOKE ABOUT THIS BEFORE ABOUT THE NEED FOR A PARKS FOUNDATION OF SOME KIND TO HELP SUPPORT SOME OF THOSE OPERATIONS AND DONATIONS PIECES THAT WE CAN CAN'T DO AS A CITY OR MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT. WE APPLIED FOR ANOTHER GRANT TO STUDY OUR YOUTH SPORTS ACCESS AND LOOK AT HOW WE SUPPORT OUR ASSOCIATIONS AND CAN LOOK AT WHAT THAT CAN DO FOR REVENUE AND HOW WE WORK WITH THEM MOVING FORWARD. I MENTIONED THE CENTER FOR THE ARTS FACILITY WE ARE CURRENTLY UNDERWAY WITH OUR NAMING RIGHTS CAMPAIGN WITH A SUPERLATIVE GROUP. SO LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT THAT BRINGS TO THE BUDGET HERE ACROSS THE BOARD FROM ALL OF OUR FACILITIES AND PARK SYSTEM WE ARE NOTING THAT PAID PARENTAL LEAVE IN MINNESOTA STATE LEAVE HAS ONGOING EFFECT ON OUR DAILY STAFFING AND OUR ABILITY TO MAINTAIN THOSE STAFF LEVELS WITH THOSE LEAVES SPECIFICALLY IN THOSE AREAS THAT REQUIRE MORE UNIQUE SKILLS SUCH AS AN AQUATIC CENTER. WE ARE BEGINNING REALIGNMENT OF SOME OF OUR RESOURCES IN PREPARATION FOR THE COMMUNITY HEALTH AND WELLNESS CENTER IN 2027. SO WE ARE LOOKING TO REPURPOSE TWO POSITIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY VACANT IN OUR DEPARTMENT TO FILL THE MAINTENANCE SUPERINTENDENT AND ASSISTANT MANAGER POSITION STARTING IN AUGUST OF THIS YEAR AND THEN LOOKING FORWARD TO THE 2027 BUDGET WE WILL BEGIN HIRING THE REMAINING OF THOSE POSITIONS PRIOR TO OPENING AND PRIOR TO BRINGING REVENUE IN THE DOOR. SO YOU'LL BE HEARING FROM US AS A PLAN OF WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND WHAT TYPE OF FUNDING WOULD BE NEEDED FOR THAT. AND THEN FINALLY WE ARE LOOKING TO ADD A FOOD AND BEVERAGE MANAGER TO WORK ON THAT CONSOLIDATION OF THE CONCESSIONS OPERATIONS ACROSS ALL OF OUR FACILITIES INCLUDING THE COMMUNITY HEALTH AND WELLNESS CENTER AND THAT WOULD BE ONLY HIRED IF WE WERE AVAILABLE IF FUNDS BECOME AVAILABLE THROUGH THE POURING RIGHTS REVENUE THAT IS CURRENTLY OUT FOR BID RIGHT NOW. WITH THAT I AM HERE FOR ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. WHAT'S GOING ON IN YOUR AREA AS WELL? JUST A LITTLE. YOU MENTIONED WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE AND I'M EXCITED TO TALK ABOUT AND CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT THE NOTION OF THE FOUNDATION I THINK IS A WAY TO TO TAKE ON AND TO PICK UP SOME OF THE PROJECTS AND THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO BUT JUST CAN'T FOR A VARIETY OF LEGAL REASONS AND FOR A VARIETY OF PRACTICAL REASONS. AND SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE CREATION OF THE FOUNDATION WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND HOW WE END UP BOTH FUNDING AND HAVING IT FUNDED AND THEN USING THOSE FUNDS TO TO DO SOME OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO GET DONE. THANK YOU FOR THE THOUGHTS COUNSEL COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN AND COUNCIL MEMBER NELSON. SO JUST A REAL QUICK ONE HERE AND THERE A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE. SO THEN WITH THE AQUATIC PIECE THAT'S OUT THERE IS TRADITIONALLY BEEN KNOWN AS AN ENTERPRISE FUND AND I'M CURIOUS AND I DON'T GET IT I WANT THE ANSWER TO TODAY HAVE WE'VE EVER HAD THAT BE PROFITABLE? YOU KNOW THAT WAS THE POOL THERE AND SO I'M JUST I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, AS WE KIND OF LOOK FORWARD INTO OTHER DECISIONS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE. SO THAT'S JUST SOME INFORMATION I LIKE TO HAVE KIND OF GOING FORWARD AND THEN JUMPING INTO THE CENTER FOR THE ARTS FROM A FACILITY STANDPOINT JUST DO THEY MANAGE THE SO WHEN THEY NEED TO WE HAVE EVENTS OUT HERE DO THEY MANAGE MOVING THINGS AROUND OUT THERE IS THAT IS THAT IN THAT BUDGET OR IS THAT IN A DIFFERENT BUDGET? MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN IT IS IN A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT BUDGETS. THE FACILITIES BUDGET DOES ASSIST WITH SOME SET UPS AS WELL AS SOME OF OUR CENTER FOR THE ARTS STAFF ASSIST WITH SETUPS. IT REALLY HAS FLUCTUATED DEPENDING ON THE EVENT AND I'LL JUST MAKE A COMMENT JUST ON THAT AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS GOES ANYWHERE AND IT'S JUST I NOTICED THAT THE STAFF HAS HAD TO ALSO ASSIST WITH THAT AS WELL TAKING THINGS AWAY AT THE END OF IT WHICH I THINK IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF HOW STAFF KIND OF PITCHES IN AND HOW WE FIND WAYS OF SAVING MONEY. I OBVIOUSLY HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT. YOU KNOW IF IF A STAFF PERSON WERE TO GET INJURED OR THAT KIND OF THING, THAT WOULDN'T BE A GOOD THING. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF STAFF THERE TO TO TRY TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF OF PEOPLE HELPING AT THE END CLEANING THINGS UP? BUT I MEAN I KNOW THAT'S A GREAT WAY OF SAVING MONEY FOR THE TAXPAYERS BUT I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A LOOK AT THAT. THAT'S IT. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTIONS HERE. CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT POURING RIGHTS ARE? SURE. SO THERE'S ONLY A FEW BEVERAGE COMPANIES IN THIS IN THE WORLD REALLY AT THIS POINT. PEPSI AND COKE AND SO THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE THE EXCLUSIVE BEVERAGE OF THE FACILITY. AND SO OUR POURING RIGHTS FOR THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON WOULD BE FOR ALL OF OUR RECREATIONAL FACILITIES. SUPERLATIVE GROUP IS LEADING THAT INITIATIVE AND WORKING WITH COKE AND PEPSI AND THERE IS ONE OTHER ONE IN MINNESOTA TO IDENTIFY WHAT THAT MIGHT BE AND SO THEN THEY WOULD ALSO HAVE THE ASSOCIATED NAMING WITH THAT POTENTIALLY OF A CONCESSION STAND OR ANYTHING ELSE BUT REALLY JUST THE RIGHT TO SERVE THAT PARTICULAR BEVERAGE PEPSI OR COKE AND THEN SOMETIMES THERE'S WHAT I COMMISSION ON TOP OF THAT DEPENDING ON HOW IT'S ARRANGED. BUT THAT'S PART US. OKAY. AND CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME THE INTERACTION BECAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING AT CONSOLIDATING THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE OPERATIONS BUT YOU'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO POTENTIALLY HIRE A FOOD AND BEVERAGE MANAGER. CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW THAT INTERACTION WORKS WHY WE WOULD NEED TO DO BOTH IF WE CONSOLIDATE THEM? IN MY MIND THAT WOULD BE MORE SIMPLE AND MAY NOT NEED ANOTHER PERSON BUT MAYBE I'M MISSING SOMETHING. MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER NELSON RIGHT NOW THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE OPERATIONS THAT WE HAVE OUR FACILITIES IS LIMITED IN NATURE TO THE BLOOMINGTON FAMILY AQUATIC CENTER AND BIG AND THAT'S REALLY IT. AND SO THERE ARE CONCESSION STANDS IN NATURE AS WE BRING ON THE CAFE AT THE COMMUNITY HEALTH AND WELLNESS CENTER. I BELIEVE WE INTEND TO BE THAT MORE OF AN EXPANSIVE SERVICE THAN WHAT WE ARE DOING AT OUR CONCESSION STAND WHICH WOULD LEND ITSELF TO A FULL TIME POSITION BOTH AT THE POOL AND THE ICE GARDEN. WE'RE USING PART TIME STAFF TO MANAGE THOSE FACILITIES AND IF WE'RE ABLE TO SHARE ORDERING AND SHARE SERVICES ACROSS THE BOARD WITH ONE PERSON MANAGING ALL OF THOSE, WE FEEL WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO BETTER WITH OUR ORDERING OUR MANAGEMENT AND OUR PROCESSES AND MENUS AND PRICING TO BE MORE CONSISTENT ACROSS THE BOARD OR SO FROM WHAT I HEARD THERE THERE MAY BE COST SAVINGS FROM OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING A PART TIME AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL REVENUE PLUS THE POURING FEE. THANK YOU BIG I WAS LOOKING AT THEIR BUDGET AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE BUDGET THEY'LL BE 400,000 AND THE POSITIVE I WILL NOTE THERE WAS SOME TYPE OF MISTAKE IN THE PRESENTATION THAT THE LAST LINE WASN'T THE REVENUES MINUS EXPENSES THAT WAS JUST TOTAL EXPENSES REPEATED THERE. BUT THAT'S OKAY. I DID THE MATH MYSELF SO AND THE REASON I BRING THAT UP IS YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PHASE OUT SOME OF THE TAXPAYER SUPPORT IN 28 AND 30 BUT I SEE THE TAXPAYER SUPPORT IS ACTUALLY LESS THAN THE AMOUNT THAT THEY'RE PROJECTED TO MAKE THERE AND I SEE THAT IT ALSO IN SOME SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION IT PUTS THEM AT 164% OF THEIR WORKING CAPITAL GOAL. SO I AM WONDERING IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOWER THAT DOWN. I THINK THE IDEA WAS WE GOT TO PAY BACK KIND OF FOR THIS YEAR BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN OPERATIONAL THAT MUCH AND IT HAD A $400,000 LOSS OR SO THIS YEAR. SO I GET THAT BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE PAYING BACK MORE THAN THAT AMOUNT INTO THE WORKING CAPITAL. I'M JUST I'M JUST ASKING YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT'S AN AREA THAT WE CAN ACCELERATE THAT REDUCTION IN TAXPAYER SUPPORT UNLESS THERE'S A SPECIFIC PURPOSE FOR SAVING MORE MONEY THERE. MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER NELSON, I DO BELIEVE WE COULD DECREASE IT BEFORE THEN BUT THE TAX SUBSIDY FOR THE DEBT SERVICE DOES GO THROUGH 2030 AND SO THAT DEBT SERVICE THAT WE'RE REPAYING FROM OUR ORIGINAL WOULD NEED TO CONTINUE THROUGH THEN. BUT THE OTHERS WE COULD LOOK AT DECREASING. THANK YOU. AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS JUST I LOOKED AT ALL OF THE BUDGETS AND I JUST WANT TO SEE IF YOU CAN HELP ME UNDERSTAND. I LOOKED AT THE STAFFING AMOUNT. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WAS UP 2.21% WHICH SEEMS IN LINE PEOPLE GOT RAISES, MAKES SENSE BUT PARK AND REC IS 6.13 GOLF IS 4.92% INCREASE THE ICE GARDENERS 34.32. I ASSUME THAT'S PARTLY BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE YEAH THEY WERE CLOSED THIS YEAR THE ARTS IS 9.79.07 BUT I WOULD NOTE IT'S UP 200% IN THE LAST TWO YEARS AQUATICS IS GOING UP 24.68%. I UNDERSTAND THAT. YOU KNOW WE DID A GREAT JOB. WE OUR HEALTH INSURANCE INCREASES $0 THIS YEAR SO I'M STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND WHY STAFF SALARIES ARE GOING UP SO MUCH IN ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS WHEN FROM WHAT I SAW WE WEREN'T HIRING NEW PEOPLE. THERE WAS MAYBE EVEN A REDUCTION IN SOME AREAS. CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT'S DRIVING THOSE COSTS? MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER NELSON I THINK FOR SOME OF THEM I CAN HELP YOU BUT OTHERS I MAY LOOK TO COREY FOR MORE INFORMATION AND THE BLOOMINGTON ICE GRANT OF 34% IS OF COURSE DUE TO THE CLOSURE THE ICE GUARD THE CENTER FOR THE ARTS OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS WE DID ADD TWO FULL TIME EMPLOYEES LAST YEAR OR EXCUSE ME THIS YEAR. SO THAT WOULD BE THE INCREASE THERE. AND AS FAR AS OUR AQUATICS BUDGET, THE PERSON WHO PREVIOUSLY OVERSAW AQUATICS ALSO OVERSAW A BEACH WHICH IS NOW NO LONGER UNDER OUR OPERATION. SO THAT BUDGET HIS SALARY HAS NOT MOVED TO THE AQUATICS FUND AND THE REST I WOULD LEAVE TO COREY. >> HELLO MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO IN ALL OF THE BUDGETS WE HAVE LIKE A FORECASTED COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT ALSO A STEP INCREASES THAT ARE IN THERE AS WELL. SO I THINK IN THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BUDGET THERE HAS THERE IS A COST OF LIVING INCREASES AND STEP INCREASES AND IT'S BASED IN APRIL. WE DO LIKE A PULL DOWN FROM LIVE PAYROLL AND PROJECT THAT OUT AND SO THERE'S MAYBE COMPARING THOSE TWO THERE'S POSITIONS THERE THAT THEY'VE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE NEW PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME IN. SO WE'VE HAD SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE MAYBE AT THE TOP OF THEIR CAREER AND TOP OF THE THE STEPS AND THEIR GRADES AND THEN PEOPLE COMING IN THAT ARE LOWER. SO THAT IS PROBABLY BRINGING THAT DOWN SOMEWHAT. BUT AND WE CAN LOOK INTO WE CAN GET MORE DETAILS ON SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS TOO BUT SOME OF IT ALSO IS NOT FULL TIME SALARIES. IT'S IN PART TIME AND WE HAVE SOME SOME LEAVES THAT ARE COMING UP THAT WE KNOW THAT ARE COMING AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL. ONE OF THE POINTS THAT ALLISON MADE WAS THAT PAID PARENTAL LEAVE DOES HAVE AN EFFECT ON ESPECIALLY IN PARKS AND RECREATION WHERE WE NEED TO HAVE THOSE POSITIONS FILLED. SO THERE'S SOME PLACES WHERE WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME TEMPORARY SEASONAL PART TIME EXPENDITURES THAT ARE GOING UP COMPARED TO 2025. COUNCILMEMBER CARTER THANK YOU MAYOR I'LL BE QUICK. THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD COMMENT ON IN THIS BUDGET AREA LOOKING AT THE CENTER FOR THE ARTS FUND, YOU KNOW IT LOOKS LIKE THE WORKING CAPITAL BALANCES ARE GETTING PRETTY LOW ONCE YOU GET INTO 2829 THE PROJECTIONS AT LEAST. AND SO LOOKING AT THAT BUT THEN IN ADDITION TO THE INCREASE IN THE PROPERTY TAX IN THAT FUND LIKE I JUST IT CONCERNS ME BUT I ALSO KNOW WE HAVE THIS STUDY BEING DONE RELATED TO THE CENTER FOR THE ARTS AND I GUESS I WILL JUST SAY THE CENTER FOR THE ARTS PIECE LIKE I THINK MAKES ME THE MOST UNEASY JUST IN GENERAL AND JUST LIKE WITH THE AMOUNT OF RESOURCES THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN WHICH MIGHT JUST BE WHAT IT IS BUT I JUST I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO KIND OF DEVELOPING THAT STRATEGIC PLAN SO THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE AROUND YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE FUTURE OF THE CENTER FOR THE ARTS? WHAT'S THE C'S ROLE? HOW DO WE WORK IN PARTNERSHIP ? YEAH, BECAUSE IT JUST DOESN'T IT'S IT'S PRETTY RESOURCE INTENSIVE. SO I THINK HERE COUNCILMEMBER CARTER I THINK WE ARE VERY EXCITED WITH YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON COUNCIL AND STAFF. WE STILL HAVE PUBLIC HEALTH WE PUBLIC WORKS AND THEN OUR UTILITIES DISCUSSION AND WE'RE DOWN TO 25 MINUTES. I HAVE CONFIDENCE IN US THAT WE CAN SHARPEN UP AND FOCUS IN AND WE CAN NOT BE HERE UNTIL TWO. OKAY. DR. KELLY GOOD EVENING. WELCOME EVENING MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS I WILL LIKE TO BRIEFLY HIGHLIGHT OUR PUBLIC HEALTH BUDGET SO LIKE THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATIONS BEFORE WE'LL HAVE A BRIEF HIGHLIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE IN THE PROCESS SO OUR STAFF, THE ADMINISTRATOR, ASSISTANT ADMINISTRATOR WE HAVE TO MAJOR TEAMS THAT DO MOST OF THE WORK IN OUR COMMUNITY HEALTH SERVICES AND OUR POPULATION HEALTH TEAM. THEN WE HAVE A SHARED SERVICE AND OPERATIONS TEAM THAT KIND OF HELP ACTUALLY MAKE SURE WE CAN DO THE WORK. IT'S 56 STAFF, IT'S A 4046 FTE EQUIVALENT BASED ON OUR FEES FROM A BUDGET STANDPOINT YOU CAN SEE WE BRING IN ALMOST $6.5 MILLION IN REVENUE. MOST OF THAT IS COMING IN WITH GRANTS AND CONTRACTS. SO 72% OF OUR BUDGET IS GRANTS AND CONTRACTS FOR DOING PUBLIC HEALTH SERVICE 2.5 MILLION OR ABOUT 28% IS A TECH SUPPORT APPROACHES BUDGETING ANALYSIS KEY TAKEAWAYS WHERE WE ARE IN VERY STRONG ALIGNMENT WITH BTY MANDATES A VERY, VERY GOOD FOCUS ON THAT END WHICH WAS NICE FOR US TO SEE AND HIGHLIGHT ADDITIONAL PARTNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES WITH OUR PARTNERS AND EXTERNAL SERVICES AND ACROSS THE CITY MOST OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING ASSESSMENT WE'RE ALREADY DOING OR WORKING ON AND SO WE WERE HAPPY TO SEE THAT WE WERE DOING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE SUGGESTED TO BE DONE. WE'RE LOOKING AT CONTINUED CHALLENGES WITH FEDERAL AND STATE FUNDING AND TRYING TO PREPARE FOR UNCERTAINTIES AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR NEW FUNDING AS THEY BECOME AVAILABLE. >> WE CURRENTLY HAVE A SHARED SERVICE MODEL, A DYNAMIC FIELD OF BEEN CONTRACTING WITH US. THAT MODEL IS WORKING VERY WELL. WE'LL CONTINUE TO TWEAK IT AS APPROPRIATE. WE'RE ALSO DOING DATA MODERNIZATION INTERNALLY TO BE MORE EFFICIENT WITH OUR DATA AND CONTINUING TO LOOK FOR THOSE PARTNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES WITH GRANTS AND CONTRACTS AND SAID WE HAVE STRONG ALIGNMENT WITH THE BLOOMINGTON TOMORROW TOGETHER AND MANDATED SERVICES FOUNDATIONAL PUBLIC HEALTH IS OFTEN YOU CAN EQUATE IT TO THE THINGS THAT ONLY GOVERNMENT PUBLIC HEALTH DOES AND WE ARE DOING THAT WELL. WE ARE IN A RAPIDLY CHANGING PUBLIC HEALTH SYSTEM. WE ARE SEEING CHANGES SOMETIMES MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY. THE UNCERTAINTY AROUND FEDERAL PARTNERSHIPS AND IMPACTS ON STATE BUDGET IS SOMETHING WE'RE TRACKING AND THEN AS YOU HEARD MENTAL HEALTH WELLBEING AND SUBSTANCE IS THE HEALTH PRIORITY FOR OUR COMMUNITY THROUGH 29. WE'LL CONTINUE TO BE WORKING ON THAT. IT'S A GROWING CHALLENGE WITH ACCESS TO CARE AND STRESS INTERSECTING THAT WITH SOME VIOLENCE WE SEE ESPECIALLY AROUND FIREARMS AND WE WORK REALLY CLOSELY WITH OUR PARTNERS IN HENNEPIN COUNTY IN MINNEAPOLIS ACCESS TO BASIC NEEDS IS THE OTHER TOP PRIORITY AND HELPING COUNTY SO OURS IS MENTAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE BUT WE ARE SEEING GROWING CHALLENGES WITH ACCESS TO BASIC NEEDS AND WITH THAT IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS THANK YOU DR. KELLY. I THINK YOUR LAST SLIDE THERE THE EMERGING TOPICS I THINK IS A DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER DAY AND I THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER TO HAVE A FULL ANALYSIS AND DISCUSSION ABOUT ALLF THOSE TOPICS THAT YOU MENTIONED. SO JUST TO PUT THAT ON EVERYBODY'S RADAR AND I THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT. >> COUNCILMEMBER CARTER THANK YOU MAYOR. I JUST HAVE A COMMENT. I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU AND THE WHOLE PUBLIC HEALTH TEAM. I KNOW IT'S BEEN PRETTY ROUGH OUT THERE WITH THE FEDERAL CUTS AND EVERYTHING GOING ON AT THE CDC AND SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST APPRECIATE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, STICKING WITH IT AND CONTINUING TO DO THE GOOD WORK AT THE LOCAL LEVEL AND KIND OF BEING THAT FRONT LINE OF RESOURCES AND SUPPORT FOR PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO HAVE SOME OF THE GREATEST NEEDS WHETHER THEY'RE SENIORS OR YOU KNOW, MOMS WITH NEW BABIES AND EVERYBODY IN BETWEEN. RIGHT. OUR PUBLIC HEALTH STAFF ARE TRULY INTEGRATED INTO OUR COMMUNITY AND DOING WONDERFUL WORK AND SO JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU VERY COSMIC TURNER I APPRECIATE THAT AND APPRECIATE THE REALLY STRONG SUPPORT COUNCIL CONTINUES TO PROVIDE TO DO THIS WORK. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON YEAH. THANKS. VERY QUICK QUESTION AND THAT PROBABLY IS RELATED TO THE BUDGET YET STILL A RELATED BUDGET. I HAD READ THAT WORK FUNDING MAY DRY UP IN THE MIDDLE OF OCTOBER BUT THEN I HAD READ I BELIEVE IN THE WALL STREET JOURNAL JUST TODAY THAT THEY MAY HAVE FOUND A FUNDING SOURCE HAS AS FUNDING STAFF FOR THAT PROGRAM OR ARE WE CONTINUING TO RECEIVE FUNDING AND THAT'S DUE TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN. SO MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER NELSON ,WE ARE IN REGULAR CONTACT WITH THE MINNESOTA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH. WE ARE GETTING REGULAR UPDATES. THEY HAVE FUNDING TO CONTINUE OPERATING THE FOOD SIDE OF THE BENEFITS THROUGH THE LAST PROJECTION WE HAD WAS MAYBE SQUEEZING INTO EARLY NOVEMBER AND SO WE ARE CONTINUING TO GET UPDATES ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND HOW THAT CHANGES BASED ON OUR FEDERAL PARTNERS. OKAY. PLEASE KEEP US INFORMED. THANK YOU. WELL, THANK YOU, DR. KELLY. I'LL ECHO COUNCILMEMBER CARTER'S THANKS AND APPRECIATION FOR THE WORK THAT YOU DO AND THAT YOUR STAFF DOES AND ON THESE VERY IMPORTANT TOPICS. SO THANK YOU. THANKS SO MUCH. AND LAST AMONG EXTERNAL SERVICES BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST OUR PUBLIC WORKS FOLKS. JULIE LONG, TIM BURKE, WELCOME. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS JULIE AND I WILL KIND OF HIT ON OUR PUBLIC WORKS 2026 BUDGET REQUESTS YOU'LL HEAR FROM SCOTT LATER ON UTILITY RATES SO WE'LL GIVE KIND OF A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AS YOU SEE FROM OUR STRUCTURE HERE THE THREE OF US THE CITY ENGINEER MAINTENANCE SUPERINTENDENT AND UTILITY SUPERINTENDENT REPORT TO THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR CITY MANAGER I GET KATHY OF THAT WE HAVE 161 FULL TIME EMPLOYEES OUT OF OUR DIVISION AND THEN OUR GENERAL FUND BUDGET. AS YOU CAN SEE OUR REVENUES ARE STAYING PRETTY CONSISTENT. NOT A LOT OF CHANGE. WE'RE NOT SEEING A LOT OF INCREASE IN OUR PERMIT AND LICENSE TRANSFER FROM OTHER FUNDS 1.6 MILLION THAT IS SOME OF THE FRANCHISE FEES THAT GOES TO OUR CIVIL COURT TRAIL MAINTENANCE. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT COVERS THAT. AND THEN AS YOU CAN SEE IN OUR EXPENDITURES WE ARE JUST OVER $20 MILLION IN EXPENDITURES. JUST UNDER HALF OF THAT IS SALARIES AS YOU CAN TELL THAT WE HAVE JUST UNDER 4% INCREASE ON THAT AND AS COREY MENTIONED, IT'S HAS TO DO WITH STEP RAISES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE HAVE PART OF OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE A LOT OF TENURED INDIVIDUALS THERE. SO YOU'RE SEEING KIND OF AT THE HIGHER RATES OF WAGES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE'RE ABLE TO REDUCE SOME OF OUR OPERATIONAL EXPENSES JUST FROM $117,000. SO LIKE I SAY, WE'RE TRYING TO STAY PRETTY MUCH STATUS QUO FOR OUR GENERAL FUND PART OF PUBLIC WORKS. ALSO WE DO HAVE OUR FLEET FUND WHICH IS AN INTERNAL SERVICE CHARGE AND OUR REVENUES COME FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS SO WE CHARGE FOR INSTANCE FOR THE FLEET IT'S THE REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT OF VEHICLES. SO YOU SEE THAT WE CHARGE ABOUT TEN WE BRING IN ABOUT $10 MILLION FOR BUDGET AS FAR AS INTERNAL CHARGES AND THEN OBVIOUSLY OUR EXPENSES ARE JUST RIGHT AROUND THE 10.5 MILLION. SO WE ARE IN THE IN THE GREEN OF $81,000. SO WE'RE SITTING PRETTY GOOD THERE. WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO CATCH UP THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS OBVIOUSLY WITH THE PRICES OF VEHICLES GOING UP THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WE'RE STARTING TO CATCH UP WITH THAT AND THEN SAME THING ALONG WITH THE REPAIRS PARTS AND ITEMS LIKE THAT HAVE GONE UP. SO WE'RE STARTING TO INCREASE OUR INTERNAL SERVICE CHARGES SO WE ARE STARTING TO CATCH UP AND OUR FUND IS LOOKING PRETTY GOOD AS FAR AS A FLEET FUND ALONG WITH IN PUBLIC WORKS IS OUR FACILITIES FUND THAT IS ANOTHER INTERNAL SERVICE CHARGE FUND AND THAT IS COVERS THE REPAIR OR REPLACEMENT OF CITY BUILDINGS. WE DO HAVE A SPACE OF OCCUPANCY THAT ALL DEPARTMENTS PAY AND THAT'S BASED ON THEIR SQUARE FOOTAGE OF WHAT THEY HAVE INSIDE EACH BUILDING AND THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE DETERMINE THE FACILITIES FUND. AGAIN WE DID INCREASE THAT AS WELL AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S A INCREASE OF ABOUT 5% AND THAT'S TO OBVIOUSLY WITH UTILITIES GOING UP AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT THAT'S COVER THE CHARGES WATER ELECTRIC GAS, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THAT FUND HEALTHY AS POSSIBLE. YOU CAN SEE THAT WE DO HAVE A CAPITAL OUTLAY OF JUST OVER $4 MILLION THAT IS IMPROVEMENTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY FACILITIES AS WELL. SO YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THERE. WE ARE STARTING TO GET A LITTLE INTO THE RED SO WE WILL DIP IN AND KIND OF OUR FUNDS OR RESERVES TO MAKE THESE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS POSSIBLE . SO WITH THAT I'LL TURN IT OVER TO JULIE. MOVING ON TO THE PRIORITY BASED BUDGET ANALYSIS INSIGHTS FROM THAT WE FOUND UNLIKE DR. KELLY STATED WITH THE ALIGNMENT WITH BEATTY WE ARE NOT VERY WELL ALIGNED WITH BEATTY AS A CORE SERVICE AND SO SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE RATHER LIMITED FOR OUR USE. FOR INSTANCE THE COMPARISON SINCE CITIES VARIED SIGNIFICANTLY IN DIFFERENT SIZE CLIMATE AND OPERATIONAL CAPACITY A LOT OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE RECEIVED WERE INITIATIVES WE HAD ALREADY BEGUN OR TO DO ON A CONSISTENT BASIS. OPPORTUNITIES FOR ALIGNMENT YOU PROBABLY CAN QUOTE THE FIRST BULLET POINT SINCE EVERYONE IS MENTIONED THAT BUT ALIGN OURSELVES WITH EXTERNAL SERVICES TEAM WE'RE LOOKING TO CONSOLIDATE EMPLOYEE TRAINING ACROSS THE PUBLIC WORKS DIVISIONS, ENHANCE ALIGNMENT FOR FUTURE STRATEGIC PLANS FOR CRITICAL SERVICE SO THAT WE'RE BETTER ALIGNED IN THE FUTURE WITH THE NEXT STRATEGIC PLAN. SO THE RECOMMENDATION ARE MORE USEFUL AND THEN ALIGN PROGRAMS AND RESOURCES FOR SUSTAINABILITY AND INCREASE CAPACITY USING AN EXISTING POSITION TO ADDRESS CITYWIDE PROJECTS OPPORTUNITIES FOR REVENUE GENERATION WE HAVE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT IDEAS THAT DID COME FROM THE REPORT TO ESTABLISH EMPLOYEE EMPLOYER PARTICIPATE IN THESE FOR THEIR CURRENT TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. WE HAVE THAT PROGRAM. WE REQUIRE DEVELOPERS TO PARTICIPATE BUT THERE'S NO FEE ASSOCIATED WITH IT. WE COULD PURSUE COST RECOVERY OF STAFF TIME FOR DEVELOPMENT STUDIES WHERE WE HAVE THEM PAY FOR THE CONSULTANT BUT WE DON'T HAVE THEM SUPPORT THE STAFF TIME TO ADMINISTER THOSE COSTS AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO SEEK GRANT OPPORTUNITY TO SUPPORT OUR VARIOUS PROGRAMS AND INFRASTRUCTURE OPPORTUNITIES FOR COST SAVINGS OR OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCIES. WE WANT TO CONTINUE LOOKING TO INSTALL SOLAR AT A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT PUBLIC BUILDINGS WITH FLEET LOOK AT VEHICLE SHARING PROGRAMS AND THEN EXTENDING THE LIFECYCLE OF SOME OF OUR VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT BUDGET HIGHLIGHTS WE FOUND ABOUT $200,000 IN BUDGET SAVINGS FROM A VARIETY OF AREAS MAINLY IN TRAVEL AND TRAINING OVER TIME SUPPLIES, THAT SORT OF THING AND THEN EMERGENCE EMERGING TOPICS RESILIENT INFRASTRUCTURE AS THE CLIMATE CONTINUES TO CHANGE IS AN EMERGING TOPIC FOR US E-BIKES AND E-SCOOTERS ALONG WITH GREEN MATERIALS AND CIRCULAR ECONOMY MAYBE DO MORE ASPHALT THAT'S NOT AT THE HIGH TEMPERATURE AT THE MEDIUM TEMPERATURE AND THEN THE SAFE SYSTEMS APPROACH FOR TRAFFIC . THANK YOU MUCH SO YOUR OPPORTUNITIES FOR REVENUE GENERATION EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THE EMPLOYER PARTICIPATION FEES FOR THE CURRENT TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT PROGRAM WHEN EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT FOR ME. >> IF WE HAVE A TRANSPORTATION DEMAND REQUIREMENT FOR VARIOUS SIZE OF DEVELOPMENT SO IF A LARGE EMPLOYER COMES INTO THE COMMUNITY WHERE THEY ENCOURAGE CARPOOLING, TRANSIT PASSES, THAT SORT OF THING AND THEY'RE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT REPORTS TO US THERE IS THE PBB REPORT RECOMMENDED THAT YOU COULD CHARGE A FEE BECAUSE YOU'RE RECEIVING THE REPORTS ARE REVIEWING THEM ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. SO THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATION WINS FROM THAT. THANK YOU AGAIN COUNCILMEMBER LOHMANN. JUST REAL QUICK I SAW THE SAVINGS WAS WITH TRAINING ELIMINATION OF TRAINING. THERE ARE THERE'S STILL DOLLARS IN THE BUDGET FOR TRAINING. IS IT JUST A REDUCTION OF THAT OR I JUST WOULD HAVE A CONCERN THAT YOU KNOW AND AGAIN I WANT TO MICROMANAGE DOWN TO THAT LEVEL BUT I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT THE FOLKS ARE ABLE TO TO GET TRAINING AND TO KEEP OUR FOLKS AT THE TOP LEVEL AS POSSIBLE AND FEEL MR. MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN, THERE IS STILL MONEY FOR TRAINING AND CONFERENCES. IT'S JUST IT WAS REDUCED OTHERS THE EMERGING TOPICS OF E-BIKES AND E-SCOOTERS IS THAT THE CITY STAFF USE OF OR IS THAT CAN MEAN AND MR. MAYOR YES IT IS BOTH THE USE OF IN THE SUSTAINABILITY BUDGET WE HAVE A LINE ITEM TO ACQUIRE TO BUY CYCLES TO KIND OF PROMOTE MODE TRANSFER BUT ALSO IF YOU MAY HAVE HEARD FROM SOME OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS WITH A DIFFERENT LEVELS OF ELECTRIC IFICATION OF VEHICLES AND MAYBE FINDING THE RIGHT ORDINANCE AND THAT SORT OF VERY GOOD. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? COUNCIL IF NOT. THANKS SO VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THAT WRAPS UP OUR DISCUSSION FOR THE EXTERNAL SERVICES TEAM AND OH I THOUGHT IT WAS I THOUGHT YOU KNOW I THOUGHT UTILITY RATES WAS SEPARATE FROM EXTERNAL SERVICES. STILL NO OTHER TEAM. OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON TO UTILITY RATES AS PART OF THE INTERNAL EXTERNAL SERVICES TEAM THEN SO I WILL THE PRESENTATIONS COMING OUT SO WE HAVE SCOTT ANDERSON HERE. THE UTILITY SUPERINTENDENT WILL DO WATER AND WASTEWATER AND THEN RYAN GREENALL WILL DO STORMWATER AND THEN LAURA HORNER WILL DO THE SOLID WASTE BUDGET AND THEN I'LL BE HERE TO JUST A AND TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE FINANCIAL SLIDES SO I'LL TAKE THEM. GO AHEAD SCOTT. >> GOOD EVENING MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL ALSO SAVE THE RECAP OF THE PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING ANALYSIS FOR THE END AS IT APPLIES TO ALL FOUR UTILITIES THE WATER I'LL START WITH THE WATER UTILITY THAT COVERS ALL COSTS TO PRODUCE AND DISTRIBUTE ON AVERAGE 10 MILLION GALLONS A DAY OF SOFTENED DRINKING WATER TO THE RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES AND VISITORS OF BLOOMINGTON. THIS DOES INCLUDE THE PURCHASE OF FINISHED WATER FROM MINNEAPOLIS TO HELP MEET THE CITY'S PEAK DEMAND AND PROVIDE A TRUE DUAL SOURCE OR PROVIDE TRUE DUAL SOURCE REDUNDANCY. DRINKING WATER IS ONE OF THE CRITICAL COMPONENTS SUPPORTING A RESILIENT AND HEALTHY COMMUNITY CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S STRATEGIC PLAN AND THAT IS DONE THROUGH PROVIDING THAT SAFE SUPPLY OF DRINKING WATER, THAT UNINTERRUPTED SERVICE RENEWAL OF AGING INFRASTRUCTURE AND EQUITABLE ACCESS AND OUTREACH WHICH INCLUDES COLLABORATION WITH OUR STATE AGENCY PARTNERS AS WELL AS OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS . UTILITIES RELIES ON DATA AND METRICS TO ENSURE THAT SERVICE DELIVERY MEETS ALL EXPECTATIONS. THE ANNUAL COMMUNITY CONFIDENCE REPORT ALSO REFERRED TO AS THE WATER QUALITY REPORT IS PUBLISHED ANNUALLY IN MAY. IT SHOWS UP IN THE JUNE BRIEFING AS WELL AS LIVING ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE YEAR ROUND THAT PROVIDES WATER QUALITY RESULTS FOR NOT ONLY THE CITY'S WATER SUPPLY BUT THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS PROVIDE IS FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS INFORMATION ON SOURCE WATER AND TREATMENT TECHNIQUES AND OTHER REGULATORY UPDATES. IT'S REALLY KIND OF OUR KEY DOCUMENT TO DEMONSTRATE TO THE PUBLIC THAT THEY'RE RECEIVING SAFE, SAFE DRINKING WATER. WE'RE ALSO CONTINUALLY TRACKING OPERATIONS AND ASSET PERFORMANCE THROUGH OUR WORK MANAGEMENT TOOLS IN THE UTILITIES ASSET MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. THE SLIDE IN FRONT OF YOU IS JUST A SMALL EXAMPLE OF HOW WE DO THAT WORK. THIS IS A FIVE YEAR HISTORY OF OF TRACKING WATER MAIN BREAKS THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST MORE HIGHER PROFILE EVENTS THAT THAT WE RESPOND TO AND WE TACKLE THE MAJORITY OF THOSE REPAIRS OURSELVES GOING BACK TEN YEARS OR MORE WE'VE AVERAGED ABOUT 25 MAIN BREAKS ANNUALLY. THE BLUE BARS SHOW THE ACTUAL MAIN BREAKS THE ORANGE LINE REPRESENTS THE MAIN BREAKS PER 100 MILES AND WHY THAT'S INTERESTING IS IS OUR OUR AVERAGE IS ABOUT 5.2 BREAKS PER 100 MILES COMPARED TO BREAK AVERAGE BREAK RATES BETWEEN 11 AND 14 PER 100 MILES ACROSS THE U.S. AND CANADA BASED ON A NUMBER OF STUDIES AND OUR AVERAGE REPAIR TIME IN 2025 IS JUST UNDER FOUR HOURS. SO OUR 2025 RATE COMPARISON AND 2024 BUDGET ALLOCATIONS USE 2020 USE THE 2024 BUDGET AS THAT ONE IS THE ONE THAT'S FINISHED AND I CAN USE ACTUAL YEAR END NUMBERS. THE RATE COMPARISON HOWEVER IS FOR 2025 RATES AND YOU CAN SEE WE STILL COMPARE QUITE FAVORABLY TO OUR PEER COMMUNITIES TO OUR TO OUR COMPETITION WHEN IT COMES TO PROVIDING SAFE AND WATER AS MANY OF YOU HAVE SEEN BEFORE SEE MANAGERS NOT THE BLUE BARS REPRESENT COMMUNITIES THAT PROVIDE SOFTENED WATER FROM THE PLANT. THE RED BARS ARE COMMUNITIES THAT DO NOT SOFTEN WATER AND THAT KIND OF EMPTY BAR ON TOP REPRESENTS THAT THAT COST TO HOMES OFTEN. SO WHAT WE'RE DEMONSTRATING HERE IS TRYING TO LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD HERE OR COMPARING THE SAME PRODUCT THE CHART TO THE RIGHT JUST BREAKS UP WHERE WHERE DID THAT WHERE WHERE OUR EXPENDITURES IN THE WATER UTILITY ABOUT 25% OF THOSE FUNDS PURCHASES WATER FROM MINNEAPOLIS ANOTHER 25% OR SO ON SUPPLY TREATMENT AND LABORATORY SERVICES AND THEN ANOTHER 25% OR SO ON DISTRIBUTION AND AND METERING THE ASSET RENEWAL COMPONENT THAT THAT REALLY VARIES YEAR TO YEAR. AND COREY MIGHT TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW WE UTILIZE THAT CAPITAL BALANCE TO OFFSET THE CAPITAL PROJECTS. ONE YEAR WE MIGHT HAVE $3 MILLION IN CAPITAL, THE NEXT YEAR MIGHT BE 15 AND SO THAT THAT BALANCE HELPS ABSORB THOSE DIFFERENCES WHILE WHILE KEEPING RATES AS CONSISTENT AS POSSIBLE. SO I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS SLIDE AND SO WE'LL SEE ON THE ON THE SUBSEQUENT SIDE AS WELL. WE ARE PROPOSING NOT TO INCREASE THE WATER RATES FOR 2026 AND THE $5,000 INCREASE IN THAT PROGRAM IN COMING TO BE A SMALL BUMP IN LAB FEES AND THEN FOR THAT THE OTHER REVENUES SOME OF THE CELL TOWER REVENUE IS GOING DOWN A BIT BUT FOR MOST PART REVENUES WILL BE FLAT AND AND THEN FOR THE CAPITAL PROJECTS YOU CAN SEE IN 2025 WE HAD 4.8 MILLION ALMOST BUDGETED FOR 25. THAT'S GOING TO BE A LOT LESS THAN PROJECTED AND SEEN KIND OF BROUGHT THIS UP THAT THAT DOES HAPPEN A LOT WHERE WE WE'VE HAD KIND OF CONSISTENTLY HIGHER BUDGETS THAN ACTUAL FOREIGN CAPITAL AND SO THAT IS GETTING DEFERRED TO THE 2026 BUDGET. BUT WE DO FEEL THERE IS A HEALTHY RESERVE IN THE LONG TERM MODEL THAT WE CAN SUSTAIN LEAVING RATES FLAT FOR 26 IF YOU GO NEXT SLIDE THIS IS JUST BOTH FRONTIER ONE AND TURN TWO AND THIS IS THE CURRENT WATER RATES AND WE'RE PROPOSING THAT WE KEEP THEM THE SAME. IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ON WHETHER THERE IS A MOVEMENT UNDER WASTEWATER QUESTIONS ON WATER UNDER WASTEWATER. OKAY. WASTEWATER UTILITY COVERS COSTS FOR COLLECTION CONVEYANCE OF WASTEWATER COLLECTED IN THE CITY AS WELL AS METROPOLITAN COUNCIL ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES WASTEWATER TREATMENT CHARGES, ASSET RENEWAL AND CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS. THE CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO COUNCIL LAST YEAR AND INTO THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR AS PART OF THE SEWER AVAILABILITY CHARGE DISCUSSION THE MAP IN FRONT OF YOU HIGHLIGHTS A NUMBER OF THOSE OR HIGHLIGHTS ALL OF THOSE CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY DRIVEN BY ESSENTIALLY WHAT'S IN THE 2040 COMP PLAN. SO THIS WILL BE UPDATED AS PART OF THAT 2050 COMP PLANNING PROCESS THAT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT REFERRED TO. THESE CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS ARE DRIVEN BY REDEVELOPMENT CHANGING LAND USE DENSIFICATION LEADING TO INCREASED FLOW THAT EXCEED ORIGINAL DESIGN CAPACITY. THE SYSTEM THESE PROJECTS ARE INTENDED TO BE FUNDED THROUGH RECENTLY THE RECENTLY APPROVED SAC FEE MINUS AN ASSET RENEWAL COMPONENT. SO WHENEVER THAT'S REPLACING EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT HAS A PORTION OF ITS LIFE EXPENDED THAT'S SUBTRACTED OUT AND THAT THAT COMES FROM THE RATE PAYER FROM THE UTILITY AS THEY WOULD BE REPLACING THAT ASSET WHEN IT REACHES ITS END OF LIFE ANYWAYS AND THIS FIGURE REACHES OR REPRESENTS APPROXIMATELY $60 MILLION WITH ONE PROJECT CURRENTLY UNDERWAY AND ANOTHER ONE PLANNED TO BEGIN NEXT YEAR AND LORI MENTIONED MENTIONED THOSE SO ALL OF SOUTH CENTRAL. OKAY GOTCHA. RATE COMPARISON AGAIN HAPPY TO TO TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THIS SLIDE AS TO HOW WELL WE COMPARE AGAINST OUR PEER COMMUNITIES IN PROVIDING THOSE SERVICES. I NOTE ON THE BUDGET ALLOCATIONS ALMOST 70% OF THIS BUDGET IS ATTRIBUTED TO MIX CHARGES WHICH WHICH ARE GOING UP 5.8% FOR 2026 AND SO THE BUDGET REFLECTS THAT THE REMAINING 20% IS IS BASICALLY OPERATIONS TO TO MAINTAIN WE TELEVISE THE SEWER THE SEWER SYSTEM ON A REGULAR BASIS, REPLACE AGING INFRASTRUCTURE. WE ARE CONSTANTLY CLEANING AND JETTING THAT SYSTEM TO MINIMIZE BACKUPS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND THEN THERE'S A SMALLER THAT THAT PURPLE SECTION ON THAT CHART IS THE CAPITAL OR THE ASSET RENEWAL COMPONENT FOR 2024 AND AGAIN THAT WILL THAT THAT PERCENTAGE WILL WILL VARY FROM YEAR TO YEAR. >> SO IN THE WASTEWATER UTILITY YOU'LL SEE FOR THE PROGRAM INCOME IT HAS 3.79%. THAT IS A COMBINATION OF A 6% RATE INCREASE AND THEN ALSO WHAT WE HAD PROJECTED FOR THE CITY SAG FEE DECREASING SO WE HAD ORIGINALLY PROJECTED 600,000 A YEAR KNOWING THAT CAN VARY QUITE A BIT FROM YEAR TO YEAR. BUT JUST WHAT WE'VE SEEN COME IN SO FAR IT HASN'T BEEN THAT HIGH AS WE DID BRING THAT DOWN AND THEN THE THE LARGE INCREASES IN REVENUE AND EXPENDITURES ARE RELATED TO THAT NORTH CENTRAL SANITARY SANITARY SEWER CAPACITY IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. SO THAT'S THE BOND PROCEEDS OF 25 MILLION AND ALSO THE LARGE AMOUNT INCREASE IN CAPITAL OUTLAY. AND THEN THIS IS A SLIDE THAT WOULD SHOW THE IMPACT OF A 6% INCREASE ON THAT RATE COUNCIL QUESTION ON WASTEWATER NONE I SEE BEFORE WE MOVE ON WITH STORMWATER UTILITY COUNCIL WE ARE AT 9:00 AND I AM GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE EXTEND OUR MEETING TO NO LATER THAN 920 THIS EVENING JUST SURE. SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND AND THE SURE TO THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET TO KNOW BE DONE BY 920 OF THIS EVENING NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES FOUR ZERO NOW WE'VE GOT A DEADLINE. LET'S GO TO OKAY. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS BRIAN GREENALL. I'M THE WATER RESOURCES MANAGER. I LIVE OVER IN THE ENGINEERING GROUP WITH PUBLIC WORKS UNDERNEATH JULIE LONG. I'M HERE TONIGHT TO TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT THE STORMWATER UTILITY FUND. THIS FUND MANAGERS OUR DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE ACROSS THE CITY SO INCLUDING THE PERMITS THAT WE HAVE FROM THE STATE AGENCIES AUTHORIZING US TO DISCHARGE STORMWATER ASSET RENEWAL STREET SWEEPING AND WE ALSO HELP PARTNER ON CHLORIDE REDUCTION WITH OUR PLOWING PLOWING OUTFIT. SO THE STORMWATER UTILITY WAS IMPLEMENTED IN THE EARLY 90S AS A RESULT OF DIRECT RESULT OF THE 1987 SUPERSTORM EVENT WHICH IS THE KIND OF THE FLOOD OF RECORD THAT IS OFTEN REFERRED TO AROUND HERE. BUT SOME OF THE INTERESTING THINGS WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON INCLUDE ADAPTIVE LEVEL CONTROL ESSENTIALLY HOW CAN WE BE MORE EFFICIENT WITH OUR STORM SEWER SYSTEM BY USING TECHNOLOGY TO READ THE FORECAST? CAN WE PRE LOWER WATER LEVELS IN SOME OF OUR SELECT WATER BODIES TO INCREASE FLOOD AND TO DECREASE OUR FLOOD RISK THINGS OF THAT NATURE? THAT STUDY IS CURRENTLY ONGOING IN COOPERATION WITH NORMAL CREEK WATERSHED DISTRICT. WE'VE ALSO USED A LITTLE OF THE SPENT LIME COMING FROM OUR WATER TREATMENT PLANT OPERATION IN BRYANT POND TO HELP BIND SOME OF THE NUTRIENTS IN IN THAT POND BOTTOM. AND SO THE I GUESS ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE SO FAR FOR MONITORING THIS YEAR IS THAT THE WATER HAS NEVER BEEN CLEAR. SO ANECDOTALLY IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING. WE'RE CONTINUING TO COLLECT DATA TO SEE IF THAT TREND HOLDS AND THEN WE'RE ALSO WORKING ON SOME ENHANCED STREET SWEEPING. SO THIS YEAR IN THE PENN LAKE WATERSHED ALONE WE'VE ALREADY REMOVED 90 POUNDS OF PHOSPHORUS FROM THAT WATERSHED ALONE WITH OUR ENHANCED STREETS WE'VE BEEN BRIEF LOOK AT THE UTILITY RATES SO BLOOMINGTON KIND OF CONSISTENT WITH HOW IT'S BEEN IN THE PAST. WE'RE KIND OF IN THAT UPPER THIRD OF THE PEER COMMUNITIES AND THEN SO ON THIS ONE AS WELL AS SIMILAR TO WATER WE'RE PROPOSING NOT TO INCREASE THE STORMWATER RATE FOR 2026 AS THE THE FUND DOES HAVE A HEALTHY WORKING CAPITAL RESERVE THAT SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT FOR THE FUTURE CAPITAL NEEDS THAT ARE PROJECTED OUT AND YOU CAN JUST SEE THAT IN THE $450,000 INCREASE THAT WE HAVE PROJECTED BUDGETED FOR CAPITAL ON 2026. AND THEN THIS NEXT SLIDE IS ALL OF THE RATES BUT THERE'S NO CHANGE. SO THESE ARE THE CURRENT RATES. SO WE'RE PROPOSING THAT THEY WOULD STAY THE SAME FOR 2026 FOR THE STORMWATER UTILITY AND I THINK THAT'S IT FOR STORMWATER QUESTIONS AND STORMWATER UNDER CERTAIN WAY THERE'S A LOT MORE EXCITING THINGS COMING FOR SOLID WASTE . >> LAURA HORNER HI, GOOD EVENING MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS MY NAME IS LAURA HORNER. I'M THE SOLID WASTE PROGRAM COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY AND THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THE 2026 SOLID WASTE BUDGET AND THE SOLID WASTE BUDGET INCLUDE. IT'S THE CITY'S RESIDENTIAL COLLECTION PROGRAM WHICH INCLUDES GARBAGE RECYCLING, OUR CURBSIDE ORGANICS RECYCLING AND YARD WASTE ARE BULKY ITEM MANAGEMENT PROGRAM CLEANUPS AFTER MAJOR STORM EVENTS AND PRIVATE PROPERTY, ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH ABATEMENTS. SO ONTO OUR OUR EXCITING PROPOSED GARBAGE RATE DIRECTION BACK IN AUGUST AS YOU MAY RECALL COUNCIL PROVIDED DIRECTION FOR OUR SOLID WASTE RATE STRUCTURE TO STRENGTHEN THE FINANCIAL INCENTIVE BETWEEN OUR GARBAGE RATE CARD SIZES AND TO INTRODUCE A NEW EVERY OTHER WEEK GARBAGE SERVICE OPTION FOR SMALL GARBAGE CARTS. THE GOALS OF THIS DIRECTION WERE THREEFOLD FIRST, TO MAKE THE SYSTEM FAIRER FOR HOUSEHOLDS ACROSS THE CITY SO PEOPLE WHO GENERATE LESS WASTE PAY LESS. SECOND, TO FURTHER ENCOURAGE RECYCLING ORGANICS RECYCLING PARTICIPATION AND WASTE PREVENTION. AND THIRD TO HELP ENSURE THE LONG TERM SUSTAINABILITY OF THE CITY'S SOLID WASTE SERVICES. THIS APPROACH WAS BUILT BASED ON OUR 2024 SOLID WASTE PAY AS YOU THROW RATE STUDY WHICH WAS A COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT THE COSTS FOR SERVICE, OUR CURRENT SERVICE LEVELS AND THE UTILIZATION AND AND SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY INPUT. >> SO WITH THAT IN MIND HERE ARE THE PROPOSED 2026 GARBAGE RATES THAT REFLECT THAT DIRECTION INCLUDING THAT NEW EVERY OTHER WEEK SMALL GARBAGE CART SERVICE LEVEL. JUST A FEW KEY POINTS HOUSEHOLDS THAT STAY ON THE SMALL SERVICE THE SMALL CART SIZE WILL SAVE ABOUT 6% COMPARED TO OUR CURRENT RATES. IF YOU CHOOSE THE EVERY OTHER WEEK SMALL CARTS YOU WILL GET A BIG COST SAVINGS. IT'S ABOUT 30% LESS THAN THE SMALL CART FROM 2025. THERE'S NOW AN $8 COST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SMALL, MEDIUM AND LARGE WHICH STRENGTHENS THAT INCENTIVES TO RIGHT SIZE AND THIS WAS BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE SOLID WASTE RATE STUDY REPORT IF A HOUSEHOLD KEEPS THEIR LARGE CART THEY WILL PAY ROUGHLY 38% MORE THAN THEY DID THIS YEAR. SO THAT IS WHERE THERE IS A LARGER INCREASE TO KIND OF EQUALIZE THE THE COSTS FOR THE SERVICES BASED ON HOW WE EXPECT RESIDENTS TO SHIFT CART SIZES WITH SEVERAL FOLKS MOVING DOWN, THE AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD WOULD LIKELY SEE A SLIGHT DECREASE COMPARED TO OUR 2025 RATES OVERALL . THESE BECAUSE THESE RATES AREN'T OFFICIALLY ADOPTED UNTIL NOVEMBER MID-NOVEMBER WE'VE BEEN VERY INTENTIONAL ABOUT TRYING TO COMMUNICATE THIS OUT TO RESIDENTS AHEAD OF TIME SO THEY HAVE A LOT OF ADVANCED NOTICE TO DOWNSIZE THEIR CARTS BEFORE THE NEW RATES TAKE EFFECT. WE HAVE A LET'S TALK BLOOMINGTON PAGE. WE'VE HAD OVER 3000 VISITS TO THAT PAGE SINCE IT LAUNCHED. WE'VE HAD AN ARTICLE IN EVERY BRIEFING SINCE AUGUST AND IF COUNCIL DOES ADOPT THESE RATES NEXT MONTH WE'LL SEND OUT A CITYWIDE MAILER TO ALL HOMES TELLING THEM HOW THEY CAN CHOOSE THEIR NEW CART SIZE AND WHAT THOSE NEW RATES WILL BE. AND WE ALSO ARE GOING TO HAVE A FULL PAGE IN THE DECEMBER BRIEFING TALKING ABOUT THESE CHANGES. THIS SLIDE JUST BRIEFLY SHOWS OUR ROLLOUT PLAN FOR THE NEW SERVICE LEVELS WE'VE BEEN HARD AT WORK WITH THE HAULERS FINALIZING THE CART DELIVERY PROCESS. OUR RESIDENTS WILL HAVE TWO WAYS TO SIGN UP FOR THE NEW CARTS SO THOSE WHO SIGN UP BY DECEMBER 15TH WILL GET THEIR CARTS BY THE END OF MARCH 2026. THOSE WHO SIGN UP BY FEBRUARY 16TH WILL GET THEIR CART BY THE END OF APRIL 2026. WE REALIZE THAT THIS FEELS LIKE MAYBE A LONG WAIT FOR RESIDENTS TO NOT GET THEIR CART FOR MAYBE FOUR MONTHS AFTER THEY SIGN UP FOR IT BUT THE CART PRODUCTION AND THE DELIVERY TAKES TIME FOR HAULERS AND WE DO ANTICIPATE THERE COULD BE LOTS OF THESE CHANGES. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO DO THAT AND IMPORTANTLY RESIDENTS WILL BEGIN BEING BILLED FOR THEIR NEW CART SIZE ON THE NEXT UTILITY BILL AFTER THEY REQUEST IT SO THEY'LL BE GETTING THAT COST DECREASE RIGHT AWAY. SO WE ANTICIPATE THAT THAT WILL HELP, YOU KNOW, OFFSET ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE TIMING WE'RE ALSO IN PREPARING FOR INCREASED REQUESTS FOR RECYCLING AND ORGANICS CARTS AS HOUSEHOLDS DOWNSIZE AND WE WILL HAVE AN ONLINE FORM TO MAKE THIS EASY FOR RESIDENTS OR THEY CAN CALL AND EMAIL AND THEN THAT EVERY OTHER WEEK SERVICE LAUNCH WILL BEGIN IN JANUARY 2026. SO THAT KIND OF WRAPS UP THE PROPOSED GARBAGE RATES. THIS SLIDE JUST SHOWS YOU THE THE REST OF OUR SERVICES WE ARE INCREASING THE RECYCLING ORGANICS IN BULKY ITEM MANAGEMENT BY THE 3.5% INCREASE IN OUR CONTRACT WITH THE HAULERS. SO THAT'S REALLY JUST A PASS THROUGH TO THE HAULERS FOR WHAT WE'RE CHARGED. AND JUST A QUICK NOTE ABOUT ORGANICS RECYCLING. THIS SERVICE BEGAN IN 2022 SO IT'S STILL KIND OF A FAIRLY NEWER SERVICE. IT IS PAID BY ALL HOUSEHOLDS THAT HAVE CITY GARBAGE AND RECYCLING AND WE ARE NOW AT 32% PARTICIPATION. SO WE IT'S BEEN A SLOW BUT STEADY INCREASE WHICH WE'RE PLEASED TO SEE AND WE EXPECT THAT TO CONTINUE ESPECIALLY WITH THIS NEW RATE INCENTIVE MODEL. SO JUST A COUPLE OF FUTURE PROGRAM CONSIDERATIONS. AS YOU KNOW IN OUR IN OUR NEW CONTRACT WITH THE HAULERS WHICH WILL BEGIN JULY 2026, THE CITY WILL BE PAYING FOR DISPOSAL DIRECTLY FOR GARBAGE AND ORGANICS SO THIS IS GOING TO HELP US INCREASE TRANSPARENCY OF OUR COSTS AND HAVE MORE COST CONTROL TO BRING THAT DOWN AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO HAVE A RECYCLING REVENUE SHARING AGREEMENT IN OUR CONTRACT WITH THE HAULERS. SO THAT'S A GOOD MESSAGE FOR RESIDENTS. THE MORE THAT YOU RECYCLE THE MORE MONEY THAT THE CITY MAKES ON RECYCLING TO HELP KEEP THEIR RATES DOWN. SO IT'S A GOOD A GOOD INCENTIVE TO KEEP RECYCLING. WE HAVE A STRONG PARTNERSHIP WITH HENNEPIN COUNTY. WE RECEIVE SCORE FUNDS FROM THEM EVERY YEAR FOR OUR RECYCLING AND ORGANICS RECYCLING PROGRAMS AND WE WILL BE WE WILL HAVE A SOLID WASTE CHAPTER IN THE UPCOMING CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. THAT WORK SHOULD BEGIN THIS NEXT YEAR AND SO THIS IS REALLY GOING TO OUTLINE MORE STRATEGIC INITIATIVES FOR THE SOLID WASTE PROGRAM TO REDUCE OUR EMISSIONS AND MOVE TOWARDS ZERO WASTE. THANK YOU LAURA. SO WHAT WE'RE FORECASTING AND WE'LL MONITOR THI BECAUSE IT'S NOT COMPLETELY SURE WHAT RESIDENTS WILL DO WITH THESE CHANGES BUT WHAT WE'RE FORECASTING IS A 5% INCREASE IN REVENUES OVERALL BASED ON THE NEW PRICING STRUCTURE AND SO BASICALLY THE HIGHER REVENUES FROM THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HAVING KEEPING THE LARGE GARBAGE CARDS WILL HELP OFFSET THE REDUCTIONS FROM CUSTOMERS THAT USE SMALLER CARDS OR IF THEY SWITCH TO AN EVERY OTHER PICKUP SERVICE IT'S LIKE I SAID, IT'S JUST A FORECAST. SO WE'RE GOING TO MONITOR THAT CLOSELY TO SEE HOW CUSTOMERS ADJUST. AND IN THE NEW PLAN AND THEN THE LARGE INCREASE I'LL POINT OUT JUST AS A REMINDER OVER $2 MILLION THAT IS 2026 IS A CURBSIDE CLEANUP HERE. SO THAT IS NOW AN EVERY OTHER YEAR PROGRAM AND SO 2026 WILL REFLECT THAT AND SO AS SCOTT SAID WE HAVE OR BEFORE WE GET TO THAT THOUGH, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR LAURA FOR THE SOLID WASTE UTILITY BUDGET QUESTIONS COUNCIL ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU . SO PRETTY QUICKLY WE'LL RUN OVER THE RESULTS OF THE PROJECT BASED BUDGETING FOR THE UTILITIES. YOU'LL SEE SOME OF SOME SIMILAR THEMES THROUGHOUT THE YEARS OPPORTUNITIES. ONE INCREASE THE PERCENTAGE OF CUSTOMERS RECEIVING UTILITY BILLING. SO ESSENTIALLY TRYING TO MINIMIZE PAPER BILLS AND THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE CENTRALIZED UTILITY ADMINISTRATION COSTS ACROSS WATER, WASTEWATER AND SOLID WASTE. THIS HAS OCCURRED THIS PAST YEAR IN PUBLIC WORKS UTILITIES ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SERVICES TO SOLID WASTE UTILIZING EXISTING STAFF, COORDINATE SUSTAINABLE GROUNDS MANAGEMENT EFFORTS TO MEET SITE NEEDS AND EFFICIENCIES. SO WORKING WITH WITH PARK AND REC AND OTHERS TO TO LOOK AT HOW WE MAINTAIN CERTAIN GROUNDS SO THINK OF 82ND STREET RESERVOIR OR SOME OF OUR LIFT STATION SITES IN HOW TURF IS MANAGED IN AND DIFFERENT THINGS IN THOSE ARENAS AND THEN CONTINUING TO UTILIZE OUR DIGITAL ASSET MANAGEMENT PROGRAM TO INTEGRATE UTILITY IMPROVEMENTS PARTICULARLY IN CONJUNCTION WITH PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROJECTS. SO IT'S IT'S ONE CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY OCCURRING IN ONE SEASON AND WE'RE IN ADDITION TO THE SURFACING THAT'S THAT'S GOING ON WE'RE GETTING UTILITY RENEWAL AT THE SAME TIME OPPORTUNITIES FOR REVENUE GENERATION AGAIN I THINK THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION A MEETING OR TWO AGO ABOUT CAPTURING CREDIT CARD FEES FOR UTILITY BILLING PAYMENTS. I THINK CURRENTLY I THINK THE WATER UTILITY ALONE HAS ABOUT $60,000 A YEAR IN CREDIT CARD FEES. THERE'S A DECISION TO BE MADE ON AND ON WHAT TO DO WITH THAT. IF ANYTHING. AGAIN, PAPERLESS BILLING FOR YOU FOR UTILITY BILLS. SOLAR INSTALLATIONS HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT AND THERE ARE TWO OPPORTUNITIES AT THE POTENTIAL THE WATER TREATMENT PLAN AND 82ND STREET EXPLORE COMPOSTING AND RECYCLING TRANSFER OF FACILITY OWNERSHIP OR PARTNERSHIP IN TOWN OR NEARBY AS WELL AS THE RE-USE OF OF MATERIALS SUCH AS STREET SWEEPER THINGS TO HELP MAKE COMPOST MATERIAL AN EXPANSION OF BULKY ITEM NONPROFIT PARTNERSHIPS TO POTENTIALLY INCLUDE REVENUE SHARING AND A LOCAL REUSE FACILITY AND THEN CONTINUE PURSUIT OF STATE, FEDERAL AND COUNTY GRANTS. SOLID WASTE UTILIZES COUNTY GRANT FUNDING EVERY YEAR THE WATER UTILITY HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL AT OBTAINING FEDERAL GRANTS. WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THAT PROCESS SO HOPEFULLY THOSE THOSE COME THROUGH AND AND WE ARE ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT OPPORTUNITIES FOR COST SAVINGS OR OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY IS CONTINUED IMPLEMENTATION OF OUR AUTOMATED METERING INFRASTRUCTURE. SO THAT'S MOVING AWAY FROM THE MANUAL READS. I WOULD WOULD GENERATE COSTS LABOR SAVINGS COST BUT ALSO PROVIDE FOR THAT ALMOST INSTANTANEOUS LEAK DETECTION ABLE TO TO DISPATCH CREWS TO ADDRESS THAT I'D GIVE HOMEOWNERS THE OPPORTUNITY TO UNDERSTAND THEIR USAGE A LITTLE A LITTLE MORE CRITICALLY IN REAL TIME FURTHER ENHANCEMENT OF EMPLOYEE TRAINING COLLABORATION SO SAFETY TRAINING FOR EXAMPLE WITHIN PUBLIC WORKS UTILITIES ENGINEERING MAINTENANCE WE COLLABORATE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES INTO ONE SITTING AS AS FREQUENTLY AS POSSIBLE. I'VE GOT A PROJECT NEXT YEAR CAPITAL PROJECT IN WATER TO WORK ON REHABBING AND RESIZING THE HIGH SERVICE PUMPING STATIONS AT BOTH 82ND AND POPLAR BRIDGE AND RIGHTSIZE THOSE FACILITIES FOR ENHANCED ENERGY CONSERVATION AND THEN EXPAND OUR CURRENT WORKFLOW AUTOMATION AND PAPERLESS PROCESSES. I DID NOT INCLUDE A SLIDE ON EMERGING ISSUES BUT I'LL NAME A FEW OBVIOUSLY AGING INFRASTRUCTURE IS A BIG ONE CONSTANTLY CHANGING REGULATORY ISSUES AND UNCERTAINTY RIGHT NOW CONTAMINANTS OF EMERGING CONCERN BOTH IN SURFACE WATER AS WELL AS DRINKING WATER. I CAN THINK OF PARTS AMONG OTHERS POTENTIAL UNCERTAINTY WITH WHERE OUR GARBAGE AND SOLID WASTE ENDS UP AS WELL AS CLIMATE CHANGE. AND SO THOSE ARE JUST A FEW OF THE ISSUES THAT THESE UTILITIES ARE FOCUSED ON. AND JUST TO WRAP IT UP, HERE'S EVERYTHING THAT WAS JUST PRESENTED FOR THE UTILITY PROPOSED RATES. SO REALLY JUST AN INCREASE IN THE WASTEWATER FOR 26 AND THEN AVERAGING EVERYTHING TOGETHER WITH A NEW PLAN FOR SOLID WASTE, IT'S ACTUALLY A 1% DECREASE. AND AS FAR AS THE THE OFFICIAL UTILITY RATES SO TONIGHT'S THE PRESENTING TO THESE TO YOU FOR THE FIRST TIME THE RATES WILL NEED TO BE PUBLISHED IN THE NOVEMBER 6TH SOME CURRENT AND ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND THEN THE OFFICIAL UTILITY RATES PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE NOVEMBER 17TH AND THAT'S IT. VERY GOOD THANK YOU MUCH. GOT SOME QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ON THIS BUT GERMANY AND I'M HOLDING THE LINE ON THE ON THE UTILITY RATES AND AND BRINGING THEM DOWN IN SOME CASES ESPECIALLY FOR FOR WATER I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION WE'VE BEEN HAVING SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT AND WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH FORWARD TO THE THE ROLL OUT WITH THE THAT'S GOING TO BE IT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING. IT'S A COUNCIL MOVING ON OUR COUNCIL POLICY AND ISSUE UPDATE I'LL START JT VERY QUICKLY WE HAD A CULTURAL LISTENING SESSION TONIGHT. WE HAD TWO SPEAKERS. WE HAD DENNIS WARDLE AND JODY SHANNON AND ACTUALLY WE HAD A GOOD DISCUSSION WITH BOTH OF THEM. IT WAS A BACK AND FORTH AND A GOOD DISCUSSION WITH MR. WARD ALL TALKED ABOUT ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS BY OUR COMMUNITY HEALTH DEPARTMENT PROGRAMING AT THE COMMUNITY HEALTH AND WELLNESS CENTER JUST A VARIETY OF ISSUES AND A GOOD DISCUSSION WITH WITH WITH DENNIS AND THEN JODY HAD A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS JUST ON TAXATION AND REVENUES AND SHE'S RELATIVELY NEW TO THE CITY AND I THINK WE FILTER IT ON A LOT OF THINGS AND A GOOD BACK AND FORTH. A GOOD QUESTION AND ANSWER SESSION BETWEEN WITH THE TWO OF THEM. SO I THOUGHT IT WENT VERY WELL AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. MR. CITY MANAGER DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD THIS EVENING? I DO NOT. MAYOR THANKS AGAIN TO YOU AND THE COUNCIL. VERY ENLIGHTENING MEETING AND LOOKING FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO GET UP TO SPEED AND WORKING WITH YOU ALL. THANK YOU MUCH. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. COUNCIL ANYTHING TO ADD TONIGHT COUNCILMEMBER MEMBER I KNOW ONE THING THERE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION I'M GETTING FROM SOME RESIDENTS AROUND HOW MUCH MONEY WE SPEND ON CONTRACTORS HERE IN THE CITY AND I WANTED TO JUST BRING THAT BRING THAT FORWARD AS SOME YOU KNOW, FOLKS WERE KIND OF CONFUSED. I KNOW SOMETIMES WE USE THINGS IN OR CHANGE OBVIOUSLY UP HERE SO MUCH AS WHERE I EVEN ASKED STAFF HOW MUCH ARE WE SPENDING ON THAT YOU KNOW YOU KNOW SO SURE IF YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT AROUND THERE I DON'T KNOW. I JUST THINK THERE'S SOME CONFUSION LIKE YOU SAID ABOUT WHAT A CONTRACTOR IS AND I HAVE HEARD SOME OF THE CHATTER AROUND THE NEW COMMUNITY HEALTH AND WELLNESS CENTER AND I MEAN I CAN ASSURE EVERYONE THAT A CONTRA CONSTRUCTION MANAGER, AN ARCHITECT, THE FOLKS WHO ARE HELPING US ALONG GOT US THROUGH DESIGN DEVELOPMENT. THOSE ARE NOT CONTRACTORS. WELL, THEY ARE CONTRACTORS BUT THEY'RE ESSENTIAL PIECES OF ANY CONSTRUCTION PROJECT AND TO THINK THAT THESE ARE SOMEHOW ADDITIONAL ONE OFFS THAT WE'VE ADDED ON IS JUST A LACK OF UNDERSTANDING ABOUT HOW A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT WORKS. WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF OF FOLKS THAT WE BRING IN TO HELP US WITH LARGER PROJECTS AND SOMETIMES SMALLER PROJECTS IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT EXPERTISE ON STAFF. AND SO THEN THE QUESTION IS IF WE DON'T WANT TO HIRE A CONTRACTOR OR TO HELP US WITH SOMETHING, DO WE HIRE SOMEBODY ON STAFF TO HELP US WITH SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED AND SOME OF THE PROGRAMING AND PROJECTS THAT WE NEED TO DO? SO IT'S A IT'S A CALCULATED KIND OF THING. WE HEARD AT LEAST A COUPLE OF THE BUDGET PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE REDUCING SOME OF THOSE THOSE THOSE CONTRACTS AND THE CONTRACTING AND CONTRACTORS BUT I'M SURE IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE JUST BECAUSE THAT'S EXPERTISE THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE ON STAFF AND TO HAVE AN ON STAFF IS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN BRINGING IN A CONTRACTOR TO TO HELP US ON A SHORT TERM BASIS FOR IT. YOU KNOW I APPRECIATE THAT LAST POINT IS THE POINT I WANT TO MAKE THAT WHEN YOU DON'T BRING ON A CONTRACTOR BASICALLY YOU'RE SAYING YOU WANT TO RAISE YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO INCREASE THE COST AND INCREASE HEADCOUNT IS WHAT YOU GOING TO ACCOUNT? WELL EXACTLY. THAT'S ALL. MARY THANKS. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE, COUNSEL? WE HAVE REACHED THE END OF OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING. COUNCIL I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN TONIGHT SO I'M A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CURTIS THANK MY COUNCIL MEMBER MOTION TO ADJOURN THIS EVENING. NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES FOUR ZERO THANKS COUNCIL FOR YOUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT. STAFF FOR THE PRESENTATIONS WELL DONE GOOD CONCISE INFORMATION. APPRECIATE IT. THANKS TO EVERYBODY WHO'S JOINED US HERE IN THE CHAMBERS AND WATCHING ONLINE. >> EVERYBODY HAVE A GOOD REST OF YOUR WEEK