They told us they're like, "It's because once you get bodies in here, temperature goes up so fast that we have to basically keep it in an ice box when there's no audience." >> Where's that theater in downtown? >> All right, it is 7 o'clock. Um, I'm going to call this meeting to order. Please join me in the pledge of allegiance. >> I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> Almost didn't get through that without your help, you guys. >> All right. Uh, can I get a motion to approve the agenda, please? >> I'll make a motion to approve the agenda. >> Motion by council member. >> Second. >> Second by council member Pasco. Any further discussion? >> All those in favor say I. >> I. Same sign. Motion passes. All right. Is anyone here for community comment this evening? Once going twice. All right. Um, all right. Up first, um, is our fire department service awards. This is always so much of when we get to recognize our fire department for their service. Um, and here you come just like on Q DD. I think maybe what we'll do is we will go through all the service awards. There's a significant amount of them tonight. Um, we'll do the service awards and then, you know, we like a good picture, so we'll do that. I know you guys love the attention and are here for the recognition. Um, so we'll do that and we'll give you your moment. Um but up first um what we're doing tonight is we are celebrating 65 years worth of experience on the fire department in this portion of the agenda. It's a total of 87 years of experience on the fire department. Um so up first tonight we have Dee uh Deacon who we are celebrating her 5year anniversary with the fire department. Um, I feel like that's a whole like coffee together to talk about what it must have been like starting during co on the part. >> We should do that sometime. >> Um, let's see. We have Doug who is Doug Ala who is celebrating 10 years on the fire department. There he is. Congratulations, Doug. Um, we have Jason who is celebrating 10 years. Congratulations, Jason. Um, we also have Luke who is celebrating 10 years on the fire department there. You all are just alike. It takes a second to find you guys. Um and then we have Brian Hall celebrating 15 years. Congratulations, Brian. Um and then last but not least, also celebrating 15 years, we have Jared Payne. Okay, thank you. Um let's give our service anniversaries a round of applause. All right. And we have recognition plaques for everybody. So, let's do those pictures. Up first, we'll do Did you >> Okay, you got to get in there. Yeah. [Music] You got to go >> three together and you are really far apart. [Music] >> Person [Applause] room over there. >> That's the weird reason why they were close. They didn't have enough room. That is >> Erin is our unofficial official city photographer. All right, Jason. >> Congratulations. Yes, she refuses. Congratulations. [Applause] Say Carlo, >> huh? >> You and I are getting our exercise. We are. Congratulations. [Applause] Yeah, they're right here. I'll text. >> And then last but not least, Jared. He knows he's coming. Great. >> Congratulations. Yes. >> Okay. around them. [Applause] >> All right. And then um because our we're working with microphones that aren't really working, you probably don't have to go to the back, but next um celebrating former chief remote retirement. So, Cali, I know that nobody loves recognition. Tonight is your night. You retired July 1st, right? >> July 3rd. >> July. You got your independence from the fire department on July 3rd. Um, I appreciate all of your work. 23 years in the fire department, six as chief, I believe it says. Um, We're here for you tonight. Thank you so much for all your hard work, your dedication, the sleepless nights, waking up in the middle of the night. The same goes true for everybody. Um, appreciate everything you guys do for our community and all your hard work to keep us safe. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. So Callie's been celebrated as grand marshal of the day. Another recognition event that he really wanted to [Laughter] Congratulations. >> Thank you. [Applause] pictures. >> Which one? >> Congratulations, Callie. >> Thank you. And I didn't write a speech and I'll keep it short, but really I can't thank my family enough. Um, you know, they basically all they knew was the fire department like, you know, for the last 22 years and then you guys all made it super simple. Um, you know, I couldn't be more proud to run family like you guys. It's truly an honor to be working side by side with all of you. You know, some for the whole career, some for I hired most of you that was quite an honor. So, thank you all for everything you've done. And thank you Brent and all the council members. Courtney, you guys have been great to work with. So, I appreciate everything you guys did or have done for the fire department and for me um as I had my career in the city of cover. So, thank you. >> That's it. [Applause] >> Stop. Um, normally Christy gets me. I'm a sympathetic crier. Thank you guys. Really appreciate it. Um, with that, you guys are welcome to stay for the rest of our meeting, which is going to be brief tonight. So, if you ever stay for one, this would be the one. >> Thank you all. like a squishy ball >> little comfort ball. He did look at me and smile. >> Awesome. All right. Um, let's see. Moving on to the agenda. We don't have any public hearings this evening. Can I get a motion to approve the consent agenda? >> I'll make a motion to approve the consent agenda. Motion by council member. >> I'll second. >> Second by council member. Any further discussion? All those in favor say I. >> I. Oppose. Same sign. Motion passes. All right. Um, let's see. No. items. Maybe before we get into communications, we're going to revert back to a topic from the work session. Um, for those of you watching at home, I always use this the disclaimer that the work session are the topics that we're kind of seeing for the first time and we're discussing and kind of taking a deep dive into. This is our kitchen table conversation and uh tonight's topic are the 2026 enterprise fund budgets. So, with that, um, and Mr. Simmons, why don't you guys take off where we left off? >> Great. Perfect. Okay. So, I was talking about the 2026 operating expense highlights and we were um discussing how it is better to um take more of a maintenance approach and um then you're taking more preventative instead of having to spend more money on repairs in the future, replacement in the future. I think I was at the computer software maintenance. We are planning for $5,000 in each fund for a mobile app. And then there's also some increase in software needs for the SKA capabilities. software property insurance um over the last couple years when after the water treatment facility expansion um has been completed so probably the last two years um property insurance has gone up about 40% in the water fund and that's just simply because of value it's based on value um and that was a huge expansion um and then the Met Council sewer charge uh which is determined by the Met Council for 2026 is going to be 481,000 which is almost a 4.9% increase. So I have revenues on the left, expenses on the right and then I have water, sewer and storm water. Um so enterprise funes are a little bit different because your budget does not keep need to be balanced. Um so our revenues are what we're really expecting them to be for our charges um you know to customers or residents and fees and then our expenses are what we actually need um to spend. And so that's why you'll see that the revenues don't always equal the expenses in the enterprise funds. So enterprise funds debt service um these are the payments by bond issue. Um these are the principal payments not the interest. I can go into any of these if you want me to. Um This is just a snapshot. And then here I have total by the actual debt service bond. So 33% um is the highest one and that is the 2021b water treatment. Like I said, I just got done saying that that was a big project. And then the next largest one is a refunding of the 2008 um 2008 bonds. So proposed 26 uh utility usage fees. Um we did did discuss this um at the prior session. 3% increase to all water fees. That includes the usage and the base rate. Five and a half increase to sewer fees based on volume. However, the base rate we're proposing to go from 5 to 8 um contrary to the originally planned $10 in the previous long-term financial plan. Um no increase to residential or commercial storm water. So proposed rates are on the right hand side. I will note as well that the water testing fee which is determined by um the state that is increasing to $1.27 per month and that we collect and then we pay it through. So we we do collect that on the monthly bills but we do um issue that directly to the state which is a little unfortunate because it looks like their bill is increasing but >> is that called out specifically on the water bill? I still threw in some examples very similar um to the previous um presentation but I used 2000 gallon bill, which you can see here is a 7.38% increase. As you get a little bit higher, it actually your increase gets lower, which you would think, but this is the slide showing the developer fees and the connection fees. So, if you're building a new house, um you would pay this at the building permit. Um that would be the connection fees. Um, and then the water access charge that we just implemented last year, that's the developer that would be paying those. Um, so we're looking at 3% in increase to all of these fees. So, I gave examples for the developer fee. Um, based on number of lots, I did a small like plat of 25 lots and then I did one of 125 lots. I just guessed. I just This is just pretend. Um so for some for the 25 lot um they would have paid 82,500 in 2025. Um now they it would go up by almost $2,500. So what does that look like for a little bit of a larger flat? It would be 412,500. It would go up by about $12,000. So you're thinking, you know, how does this affect the developers? That's how it affects the developers right there. Here is that slide that Delano got cut off of. I believe the 8,000galon one. Um or no, maybe it's the next one. I Anyway, Delano, New Market, Carver. I just stole their slide. Um because it's the same information. Um but you can see the benchmark cities there. Um if you have any questions, I have the actual amounts and data, too. So, um, the next steps, any information, suggestions, um, that we received tonight from the council, staff can go ahead and make changes to the enterprise budget based on the feedback. And then same with the 10-year financial plan, um, which could affect the rates, you know, on the utilities. And then the fee schedule will be presented to council in November. So any of those utility rates will be on that P schedule and then um completely optional. You can review the enterprise fund budgets again in November and um the budget will be adopted at the last meeting in December. So we have some time yet. Um anything that you want to see change, different new um happy to make those changes. We will be seeing the budget again though because we don't have the health insurance and all that in. So this Are you talking about just the enterprise? >> Just the enterprise. Yeah, >> absolutely. The budget. Okay. Okay. But any questions about the enterprise or anything you want to see different budgets? >> No. >> Do we ever talk about the rate for heavy user water users the 10,000 plus? Yes, we we socialize that a little earlier because that impacts everybody when you're using 30 or 50,000 gallons. When's the last time we had a discussion about the rate that a high water user is? >> Just from memory, it's maybe six or seven years ago. But, uh there was a we had we were playing around with a scenario. We just couldn't, you know, there's unintended consequences at different rate scenarios. So, we wanna, no pun intended, we want to flush that out a little bit. >> Okay. >> I can't help myself. But uh you know the >> tears >> but it's something that we want to give you a bunch of scenarios but as you although you want to control water like there gets to be like when you think of like higher users like irrigation or like an apartment complex like how do you do that without uh since they have one meter like theoretically after they get the first 20,000 even well they might have 60 units then everything is build out build out at that like higher rate. So I just have to kind of we want to work through the mechanics of that so that somebody who's living in a even though their landlord may be paying it. Someone who's living in a high density or an apartment complex might inadvertently be paying more for water than a neighbor who lives in a single family home. So we just have to work through that and give you information the information before you can make some policy decisions on it. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Buildings in just one. >> Yes. >> Um >> I didn't know that. >> I didn't know that either. So, um my question is when we're talking about the AMI system, um when we had the individual in last week, it talked about there's the AMI system and then there's kind of I'm getting this there's the like additional software system or the app or something where I can tell >> if my water usage is trending higher if I need to yell at somebody in my house to start taking shorter showers. Is the number that you have in here is that for the basic or is that for the with the additional package? that does not include the um software that the consumer would be able to see the data. And the reason for that is because it likely wouldn't be implemented in 2026. >> Okay. >> Um we don't want to implement any of that until everything is completed. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Do you know just ballpark how much additional that is? >> I think the it's around 15,000 and that includes the install and labor and then the software after that I want to say is more than seven and it's a one and done or that's an annual >> annual >> because that's a cloud everything to the cloud now everything's annual okay I can get you solid numbers on that >> okay yeah I'm just curious because I for me like I think we've come to the conclusion that we have to go this way because the regular drive by water meters are going away and that this is a that now was the time but I like benefit of being able to see where we're at um in terms of water usage each month. Um the other question that I had and I'm sorry um it's slide 11 where you use the utility bill examples from low volume to high volume. I understand why it's this way, but I would love to and it's a little bit to kind of what Eric was saying, but I would like to see a little bit more of a system where we encourage and kind of reward conservation. So, it's a bummer to see the largest increases for the people who use the least amount of water and then the least amount of increase for the folks who use the most amount. So, it sounds like you're workshopping ideas on that. I love the idea of another great class if possible. Um, and maybe there are some asterisks that I know you guys are probably working through with, you know, um, apartment buildings and those kinds of things, but um, I I don't love seeing this that the folks who use the least amount are going to be seeing the highest. >> I think we have the four tiers almost almost ready to go. We just haven't had enough time to discuss it with you guys, you know, prior to the roll out and prior to 2026. So, It just feels too soon when you say almost ready to go, not by 2026. >> Okay. >> And I would offer like the percentages can be misleading like taking something from $2 to $4 as a function of math. It's going to be a higher percent. Like dollar-wise, >> the higher tiered users are paying more. It's just the lowest tier that 2,000 is going 687 or 81 to 7389. So like I think the percentage is always going to be baked in on those lower tiers, but I think we can get like think about adding that fourth tier, but I'm not sure we can resolve the percentages because of the as the dollar goes up, it take it'll just take more money to get to that 7%. I mean, you could you could functionally say that we're going to in we're going to do the math backwards and we want that same percent increase across the board. Um there's just more process to that. >> Okay. Um yeah, I I get why the math maths by max. Um but you know, the lower the number the $2 increase is going to be a larger percent, but I just there was a way to balance that out a little bit more or like ideally inverse it. And I might be asking for calculus that doesn't exist. I get that. Um >> well this one I mean if the council wanted to >> you I mean you have the prerogative to adjust those rates so that you without adding the fourth tier but you could make those tiers line up percentage-wise if you you know you just have to do the math on it. >> Do other cities put multi-dwelling units into a different category? I don't know offhand >> like an apartment building. >> Uh I know there are ways to do that. I just I'm not versed enough in it to explain it. But I know you know >> maybe there are five categories if you want to take multi-dwelling units and categorize them differently, >> right? And then there's the, you know, not to get like really deep into this, but you think about like car washes or other like industrial water Um, is that going to have an adverse effect if you use water as a a resource? >> Okay. I thought you were reacting to what I said. >> Yeah. No, sorry. No problem. >> Or not. I'm happy. No, I just >> So, I mean, that has come up. Uh, we've had folks call about uh car washes and um, you know, although we've talked about um the recycle piece, you know, in my estimation, it's not the recycle piece that's holding us back from another car wash. It's the water rates and the volume that they would use would put them at that top tier. And if you added another tier that was, you know, even more, you know, you're in that same position plus. And so what does that all look like? We want to make sure that we vet out all those scenarios for you so that you're thinking about that when you determine what the the gallon amount is and what that corresponding price is. Um and you know just I want to be able to lay out for you like what would you what we consider to be the average um use for irrigating someone's lawn. And you know I you want to be cost prohibitive or if someone says I want to have green grass, you just don't want it to be like mushy green grass, right? And so all these like comments that we've received over months and years, we want to be able to show that to you so that you can use that in determining. So I I don't think we're in a position of want to rush that. >> Okay. All right. That is it. questions. Thank you. >> Um, okay. Communications. >> Thank you, Mayor Council. So, handful updates here. Uh, as we all know, the council chambers audio equipment, uh, the hardware did kind of a full uh, meltdown, if you will. And so, uh, we do believe we have someone, uh, to take that on starting, I think it was next Monday. Um, I'm not 100% sure on the price, but it's in the 12 to probably $15,000 neighborhood. So once we have that, uh, I'm likely going to authorize it under an emergency purchase since it's not in the budget and then bring it to you just so that we can try to get that on board and ready to use for your first meeting in November. But it involves not just the hardware, but then when you bring in the hardware, they have to basically program the entire audio system from scratch. So there's just a lot of uh people hours and labor as a part of that process. So but also silver lining a good reminder that um as like technology goes although this is a new building audio and video equipment can age out really quickly. So it was a reminder for me to like start thinking about you know replacing these microphones and monitors and etc. How we're we're doing that. >> Uh anything we did that as a city that caused it to catastrophically malfunction. >> You were playing with the microphone. >> We turn on and off too much. >> No, not that not that we've been told. We brought we brought out a couple different companies and uh no one said anything uh that would lend itself to thinking that we caused it to occur other than it's older. >> Um apparently there's um other pieces of hardware that are maybe more conducive to what we're doing that work better that or at least other people are more comfortable with and we've uh we're using the folks that Chesa uses and this person is out of Chanhassen where we used another company that was kind of headquartered out of St. Cloud and so I think having someone more local they kind of work out of their garage so I think It's going to be more affordable and better access for Brenda and the team to like if something comes up. We're not trying to like fix it. We can bring in somebody who knows what buttons to push. So, >> does this come with any kind of warranty? >> Not on a Oh, on the new piece of equipment. Yeah. I don't know what that is today. >> Okay. >> Um but once it's selected, we'll we can share that back out. >> Okay. Uh speaking of equipment failing, the uh speed signs on Jonathan Carver Parkway uh that designate or identify the school speed zone uh have failed and need to be replaced. Again, uh probably more so than the other equipment, something that uh you would have thought and hoped would have last long lasted longer. So, I'm not sure what caused these to fail, but in the county's estimation, they need to be, excuse me, replaced. >> How long have they been there? >> I think it's eight years. The district or the >> It's kind of ridiculous if they went out at eight years. Um, who owns who technically is responsible for that, though? >> Well, that's kind of the uh $15,000 question, if you will, because that's the replacement cost. Uh the the county did not put them in. They typically require an engineering study to install them. That was uh bypassed. Uh the school district or Carver Elementary asked for them. Uh they in turn went to the Carver Lions. The Carver Lions funded it. The county installed them. And so now we're in a position where kind of everyone's wondering well who owns them or who needs to replace them. Um, ultimately, uh, I've offered that I think that the community wants to keep them, that if they came down and weren't replaced, that there would probably be a full council chambers or full county boardroom, etc. So, I've been in contact with Lyndon Robet at the county and then David Breck at the school district in the hopes of trying to create some type of partnership. Perhaps we can split the cost three ways. Um but ultimately uh that needs to be kind of vetted and approved and um so I wanted to get that on your radar if you have any initial feedback to >> we understand there's they've been look there's no way to repair what's wrong. I mean >> uh solar powered >> yeah they have to have a battery it does have a finite lifespan. >> I don't know that intricate detail. I can find out and report back. The the operations director for the county, Shelby Seville, this sent an email, I think I forwarded out to the council that they need to be replaced at a cost of$7,000 per sign. So, um I can I as a to-do I can follow up and you know ask what needs to be replaced uh or what opportunities there for repair rather than replacement. >> Yeah, I think because I that wasn't part of that email. I haven't seen any information about that. So to just say we need you know $15,000 to replace these fines when they see a short lifespan like you said it's with solar it's got to be things components in there that >> they have a battery and those have a finite lifespan. So I work have worked with these kind of devices before when they have a a cellular connection and they do have a maintenance schedule. So, I'm sure somebody's aware of that. I'm sure there's a manufacturer to reach >> Carver County has been maintaining them. Yeah, I do know that. >> Um, I mean, the sign is obviously intact. I think >> one of them was kind of falling down, the southbound lane one. So, that's I don't think that's even up right now. But, good question. I can follow up with the county and see what they say. >> I do agree there that the community would want this. I think it's a nobody wants to be speeding in a school zone and that's a great reminder of how fast you're going and what you need to do >> with 11 being the thoroughare that is also from from morning and evening traffic rush hour times of people getting to Jordan wherever I think it's important to have them >> I agree I can't speak for the club but I know they just put out some large donations so I don't know all they could do is ask the Lions Sure. Uh, I'm going to skip the Mount Hope Road, Old Clar Road. I put this slide together on Friday, so we're going into close session to talk about the right away there. So, I'll skip that. Uh, wanted to give the council an opportunity. Uh, we did some tours last week at uh, Ramsey, Friendley, and Oro, and then today at Chanhassen. And so if the council has any feedback or observations that they'd like to share publicly or with Andrew, I think that'd be helpful as uh we get into the design development phase with uh Ortel and Tara would be helpful or questions for Andrew that you might have as well. Oh, I was going to say after this work session that we're having now um because we just toured Chan today. No, I didn't make it to the other ones. Um I'm not sure who all made it to that, but I would like to see from Andrew and maybe staff some collective thoughts on their side to hear what they saw, what they liked, what they didn't like. It doesn't have to be down to the fine detail, but I think if you have any you know, we loved Ornos and here is why because this bay looks like that or whatever. Um, if maybe for me that would be helpful to also have an opinion to hear their side along, again, I can't comment to all of the other ones, but I I've been to the Chan one before and again today. Um, it would really help me too to hear their their take on it. >> Do you want to hear that in a report or do you want to hear that like we could have Andrew, Paula, and Jordan come to a work session? I think that would be fantastic. Three of them. Yeah. >> Yeah. Led by Andrew. And maybe again if you took photos when you're there and there's something that stands out is this is really we think that specific is really helpful. So you don't have to have a grandiose presentation but just maybe a little bit of visuals behind it so that we can see what you guys are thinking. >> So I think we we all went through the I'm sorry. >> Go ahead. We went through a process of providing a summary >> of everything that we saw and what was impactful to us. And I don't know that we want to go through all of that now, but I can share some highlights. >> Um, so the number one takeaway from three of the four sites we went to is don't short yourself on the building size. So if you're trying to corral the cost and it's the difference of uh doing something less than you think you're going to in the lifespan of that building not to do it. Three of the four cities uh regret >> you never have enough closet space, >> right? So uh so that was that was the big one. Uh but in when it came to the office space in the building uh to use as much natural lighting as you can, not to short change yourself on the windows uh and pass through lighting. So, an exterior window gets uh in brings light into the the main office area of the building. Uh there were things about outlets. One really novel idea I thought were the outlets in individual lockers so that you could charge your phones and your tablets when they're in your locker. That was a simple thing that everybody really liked. So, there was some things I would not have thought of. Um and again, I don't want to We shared a lot of detail. Um the garage space. Uh one interesting uh note was don't paint lines. You think you should, but don't because that forces you into a a traffic pattern that may not work in the future or even seasonally. So >> and say that one >> in the garage space not to paint lines >> like Chan had where they parked in between those lines. Yeah, but that was a mistake that they uh they wish they hadn't done that. Um, and so there's a lot of specifics, but things that are going to cost money that I know Andrew was uh taking note of is is it worth putting fast doors in like when you go to a dealership and they go up in 5 seconds. They're expensive, but they have a longer service life. Springs don't wear out as fast. They're lighter. And it's seconds less of up and down travel of letting hot air out into the environment so you recover the cost of that over a period of time. Uh the um we've talked about this, but to be sure that the roof can support solar and that it has the conduits there because choosing to do it later and not having the conduits in place would be the really expensive part. Uh so I think everybody in the city provided a summary and I know that you did and I think what might be useful Andrew is uh to give back to council kind of a summation of of what that was and the highlights and you know you can add your thoughts to it too because you're the one compiling that but it was a really useful tour. I wasn't able to go on today's but uh you know it is really uh enlightening to hear what didn't work obviously which they what they wish they had changed and uh um I you would think that that all comes up in architectural review but I think uh we'll be able to make better decisions based on what our neighbors told us. >> Um what I was going to say is unless you guys were taking a lot of I don't know. Like last Monday I started off and I took probably a fair amount of pictures in Ramsey, but then as the day went as many pictures, it's probably like having children take pictures of the younger kids. Um but I So I don't know that we're going to have that physical. This room was great. You know, even if we all compiled our pictures, I don't know that we'll have that. As far as um me, I was the feedback that I shared with the group kind of started the email chain and provided a really robust list and then I tried to get all the things that he hadn't added so that it wasn't duplicative. But um we got a lesson about concrete floors and how you have to maintain them in a certain way and you're not supposed to just wash them down with water. So what I want to do is make sure that we're really careful about knowing how the floor will have to be maintained and can and will maintain it correctly to make sure that it doesn't all and rudded like one of the facilities that we went to. Um the outlet thing I loved. Um I put this is going to be a working building where it's not going to be uncommon for folks to come in tracking mud not only on their shoes but maybe on their jeans and their pants or whatever and make sure that the finishes really match with that so that you can't see everybody walking through and even like the coatings on the walls making sure those are washable and durable in the office area. Um, metal buildings um cost twice as much to heat, but they're cheaper to build. They don't look great on the inside after dirt starts clinging to the condensation that forms on the insulation like one of the areas that we went to visit. Um, this is a brand name. Um, so it's a direct quote and I'm talking about a brand name of a fan. But, um, the in Oro and Victoria, they recently installed big ass fans and they said that that made it I love you. >> I know that I get to say it. Um they they said it made a huge difference in the summer because I don't think any of the facilities that we went to were equipped to be air conditioned in the summer, but getting that air flow with the fans really helped. Um the garages, we heard this today too. Lots of natural light really helps in the garage space. Um except maybe on days like today, although it didn't start raining until we were done with the tour. Um, there were crank out windows in one of the places we visited, which I didn't love. Build it bigger was probably something that we heard at every single place that we stopped at. Um, one of the places uh we stopped said they didn't have enough bathrooms. So, making sure that there are enough bathrooms. Um, you know, I literally said in here um I don't anticipate we'll need want public meeting room space in our I liked how Ramsey's space was separate from the building offices. Today in hearing the Chanhasses public services building as a voting precinct made me think like when are we going to get to the point where we need two or more precincts in the city of Carver and can we make that work and figure that out? So I think that that's something that we should keep on our top of our list um for potential future uses of that building. Um the garage door. We heard that theme today, the importance of the right type of garage door, not too heavy. Do we want to do high speed? Um, today what we heard was cameras. I think that that's going to be and then fence in a gate. I think that that's going to be really important given how this is going to be at least for the first handful years, if not decade, you know, out on an island a little bit in our community. I think that's going to be super important. Um, and then we saw it Not everybody had it when we were on there on Monday, but kind of mezzanine but the half mezzanine almost the shelves for like the plow trucks so that you don't have everything on the ground especially in the summer. So um that's a dozen or more of kind of my key takeaways that I heard today. But I'm curious like what you guys walked away with today. That was just one, but it was it was a good one. I would say it was one of the newerish well maybe not in contrast to what we saw last Monday, but I would say it was one of the better facilities that we saw. >> Cranes, uh, the the large gantry crane, inexpensive investment, but a couple of the cities said it gets used in ways we never anticipated. And Paul also mentioned that it was a enhancement to just kind of worker safety to have that level of of lifting capacity and flexibility as opposed to what we have. that's really kind of stationary >> and not even worker safety, but more of like accessibility. So instead of like crawling underneath a vehicle to get to something, you know, you can take it out and move it and access it easier. Sorry. Oh, I say so I again I can't compare to other facilities, but I've I've always liked the chain facility. I think it seems he's set up fairly well inside. One thing I took away today is that um one of the big trucks that he And they had the side coming this way, right? They had the side one. He said, "We have to bring it in this way because we can't make the turn radius to get it parked into this doll." So, I thought that was really something like, think about that. Like, are we going to be able to get it in there without doing the Austin awesome powers when he's stuck in the hallway? You've seen that movie, right? >> Just check it. We know the cultural references, movie references are lost on you. You know, I'm so busy working for the city that I have very watching movies. But I have seen that one because that was before I was mayor. But I also like to hear about um their admin staff and the front desk staff that they have working there. Um I think maybe it sounds we at least it wasn't in my for think about oh we could actually have people staffing out there and do we need to have someone in that capacity who's working the front desk there. and then how that was set up and it was done a little bit incorrectly. They have a little problems with the noise and things with the with the ears they're in. But I thought, okay, so we may actually have staff out there too that's going to be there full time, you know, Monday to Friday. Um just the different duties that they talked about um responsibilities this person had. I guess it didn't really cross my mind that way. So um I liked to hear about that and then how they could have done that set up better. Um I did like the separation of having the offices so that you've got that foreman level that they were talking about where those guys kind of are all in the offices and your superintendent are in other ones. Um I think I mean there are phone calls that happen. There are things that happen. So this isn't as much on the you know the dirt side of things where we're pulling trucks in, but I thought some of that admin side of things we have to think about too. I like I liked that out there. Um when they did have the the windows and I appreciated that you talked about So it doesn't look like a dungeon in there. So I agree with that because that shop itself there was no lights would have been very much like you were buried in a hole somewhere because it's dark in there even with that. So um I liked the lighting that they had that goes on and off as people come in and out too. So those were just a few things and I mean we could talk about trucks and things all day, but those were a couple of the other details that I noticed. >> I'm still um I haven't quite solidified my thoughts on the tour today. I'm very grateful to Brent for scheduling a second tour and to Chanhass for being willing to accommodate it. It was nice to be able to at least see one facility. Uh I did think it was interesting that they how the city designed it to be used for city functions as well. And I think that one of the really important things that their manager said um was don't take personal preferences into account when you're designing the spaces because when that person will leave and when that person leaves you're stuck with whatever their preferences were whether or not those are useful to the city. So, I thought that was really important to keep in mind that we want to uh accommodate and uh create a space that works for our public works staff, but not to take individual preferences into into consideration necessarily those spaces. >> Thanks for saying that. I was going to circle back and mention that again. That was like, Andrew, I hope that you retire from the city of Carver someday, but like let's make it so that it works for our community and not necessarily for Paul or for Eric or for Andrew. >> No resolute desk for you in your office. >> He can charge his tablet when it's in the locker. >> Some of the same things. um was there was a a large veh what large equipment that was pulling a trailer and how they couldn't if they wouldn't have been able to drive through the car wash they wouldn't have been able to bring that in there. So, like just, you know, having the foresight of that. I was curious, um, I think he was explaining where they put the snow and they have to plow their own snow so then they don't spend time unplowing what they plowed. >> Could they not drive around the whole building? >> No. >> Oh, like to me that would be a miss. You want to be able to plus you could just have cameras or just for stuff like that, you know, just >> that whole back you can get around. It's just grass. >> Okay. Unless it was like really expensive to for the excavating, I would want to see something where you could drive all the way around it. >> I agree. >> I think they had that hill there challenging because then they probably retain wall. >> I'm guessing that's also he was talking about wanting to they want to add on they're going to it's going to be incredibly expensive and looking at the geometry of the building compared to that hill. I'm thinking that that is probably a big part of that cost is that they're gonna have to pump that that >> whole land moving process to make that happen. So >> we're flat out there. I >> agree. ordinance. We don't >> know ordinance. >> So, there was that. Um and then um the break room, workroom, gathering place, like just more of like a multi-function that you see kind of in schools with um it was very clear that the island could not be big enough, but also add outlets to the island. Um, so I think that, um, you know, was the take away. Uh, and I don't know if it was just the way the the offices with doors were set up, but it didn't seem like they were consistent in the size. I don't know why you just wouldn't have a lot more conformity for that idea, too, of you just don't know how, you know, staffing needs or just Yeah, I would rather have seen just a lot more conformity. Um and uh they he also talked about having like a guest office or um where I work they do the hotel cubes but um and they don't need to be big because usually you're not bringing monitors with you but I do think you know even more than one but just kind of like that what they call like the hotel room um might be something that would be of value. >> That's it. Just a few more things I thought of it when we were there. Some of the places that we visited last week had these like light tubes almost like skylights in the garage. >> Solar tubes. >> What? >> Solar tubes. >> Yep. Solar tubes. Um, thank you. Um, that helped really really helped bring in a lot of light in these like big garages kind of bringing in more light in the middle. Um, we saw a little bit today in Chanass kind of right behind the front desk where they had those three computers with bull pens for folks to do time cards and check in and out. um in an area of having just a bunch of like communal uh computers for folks to use. Um microwaves, you can't have too many microwaves and then accounting for like a flex in staff. So seasonals because Chanhass it sounded like they nearly double their staff in the summer. And I think not only are we going to want something that we're going to be able to grow into from a staffing perspective, but we're also going to be growing annually with seasonal. >> Andrew made a comment while we were there too that I want to bring up now, which is that um one of the things that you said to me was that it's really important that the locker rooms be segregated by gender so that individuals can feel comfortable changing and using those spaces as they're intended. So, I thought that that was important to note as well. that you're looking for. >> Thank you. Uh fire department employee handbook. So I mentioned another provision or I mentioned a provision at your last meeting. Uh we've been working on that, but we've decided to not just take pluck that one and do a comprehensive review. We still think we can kind of fasttrack that. uh the fire chief uh team is looking at that, but I think uh by the by December or at the latest by the end of the year, we should have a revisions to the handbook um to present to the city council. So, uh update there. We're planning on bringing the public services property annexation to the council on the 17th. Um kind of as a connection to the public works facility tours found out about a jeter back truck opportunity that Andrew's gonna talk a little bit about. >> Yeah. So, it was Ramsey Ramsey that had Jedvac truck from 2009 that they're planning on selling here this year. Um, they're running like a 15 rotation on them. When that rotation's up, they sell it. Jordan, our utility supervisor, he has a good relationship with their supervisor from Ramsey. So they were just talking about Jederbacks in general and he's like, "Yeah, we're selling this." So, you know, it's kind of one of those benefits from going out to meet people and see their other shops. But um so basically right now we have a jeter truck and we have a back trailer. So it takes two trucks to run to jet the lines and stuff. But this is a allinone unit. They're extremely expensive trucks. A brand new one, $750,000. Um, so we're doing some research. I'm trying to get the specs from their truck to send it to a guy that can research it a bit more and see what the motors are on that truck to see if they're last for what we need to last for. So, we're going to do our diligence on that. Um Jordan and Craig are probably going to run up to Ramsey to test it out so they can actually use it and see if it's actually working. But then the bottom line just comes down to dollars and cents. So that conversation will continue to happen with Ramsey to see what they would actually sell it for. Um they've told us that they would sell it directly to us and not put it up for auction. Um, so we're waiting to hear back for what our jeter truck would get on a trade in what our back trailer would get on a trade in. So maybe we can make this clean swap for two for one. So, if it's like a $25,000 investment and we get rid of two pieces of equipment, get one that they guys can use to clean the sewer lines. Um, Lyn had on the sewer budget, $65,000 to clean the lines. That would be us hiring out someone to do that. And if we get this all in one unit, Jordan's confident that we can do that. So there's potential savings there that we're starting to do this stuff in house. So we're going to keep doing research on it and when we get updates >> the impression I had is that it's in pretty good shape. It is just because of the rotation schedule >> and no other reason. So >> that's what a lot of big cities they don't have time to nickel and dime stuff. They just turn So it would be I sense it would be a pretty big win if we can pull this off and the who you know really might pay off here and if we can get it if it doesn't go to auction right that's great and this piece of equipment is something that's been on the periphery of our equipment plan. We just keep pushing it out because it's 750,000. Um so it would be a win if we could get it for 20 Let's just say we got it for 20, right? Um, but the Jeder and Vat truck, how old are the ones or the what we have now? The separate ones. >> By the way, I'd argue that it's worth more than 20. >> I would also It looks brand new. >> It looks brand new. Well, so do our fire trucks that need to be replaced. But >> I think they're both used. bought them in 2019. >> Okay. >> But um let's see the back trailer is a 2002. And then Jeter truck that we also bought in 2019. brand new >> used that was used as well and that in the last five years has seen a thousand miles driving. Is there any reason to look >> to it full potential >> keeping keep like let's just say we had such a phenomenal price on this jitter truck. Is it worth that? We're going to have another facility out here. We're going to be growing. Is it in our best interest to keep the one what we have now along with this if we were to buy it? >> So the bag trailer I know needs some work on it. >> Okay. some new pumps on it which is going to be an investment itself probably around the $10,000 range which I don't really want to do if we have piece of equipment that can do the same exact thing. So seems like a lot of cities they either have one they either have the trailers or the separate ones or they have >> but cities don't have more than one they don't okay okay I just don't want to come six years from now we really use another piece of what we just got rid of. So, >> and I think I mean there's the worry I have is that if we do make the investment and doesn't work out then it's not so not suggesting this. So, it's an opportunity and we have to bet that opportunity and if it works out think it's going to last us 10 15 years like it should >> we'll see what happens. >> Uh so, more to come on that local emergency operations plan planning that was in our strategic plan. We, this was a couple years back, we initially had a kind of a a relationship with a consultant to help us uh build that plan and then we had that didn't work out the way that we had hoped. So, we moved on from that and trying to do it internally. We had a switch on fire chiefs. Uh ultimately, we're going we're meeting with another consultant that was recommended uh from someone that we have a relationship with. It's just not the kind of plan like let's say like a parking ordinance that like you can copy paste and so like I for as much as I would like to try to take a crack at it I think we need some expertise and more so than even with Tim's experience like just someone to kind of help put the plan together. I don't think it needs to be a big document, but kind of similar to the thing that we t we're talking about here, if if uh Andrew, Tim, and I were all gone and Paul Schulz, like could someone pick up that plan from off the a desk and say, "Okay, this is what we do during a flood event." And that's the document that we're looking for. So, it's not all resting in uh organizational history and experience. And so uh at the League of Minnesota Cities conference, I made a connection with uh the Burnsville city manager. They gave a presentation on their uh tragedy that happened and they have an emergency operations plan that is a scaled down version of what the county has. So I think we have a good template, but it's more specific than just, you know, deleting Burnsville and putting in Carver. um because it's probably one of the most important things that we do is responding to emergencies, right? So, uh more to come on that. Um we don't have anything in the budget for that. Um so, I'm going to going to be updating you and monitoring that situation as well. Uh House Investment Committee visit is coming up uh this Thursday. Uh it's the Senate committee worked out really well at Church by the River. Um So, they're coming >> 1:50 on Thursday. And then, uh, finally, I'm gonna turn this over to Aaron Med's workshop >> tomorrow night, 6:30 downstairs, council and planning commission are both invited. McKenzie from the Met Council, he's the Met Council staff person we work with, will be there. And then Deb Barber with the Met Council. So, I took a look at their presentation today. an overview, start talking about our next round plans, things that have changed, but also a really great opportunity for you to ask questions for the folks that set some of the policies that were required to meet. So, tomorrow 6:30, I told them to put together an hourish presentation and then some time for questions. So, hope to be out here by 8 and it'll be great just to have the council and planning commission together, too. >> And one of the things back to the strategic plan that's trained think about or brainstorm opportunities to engage the community in different ways in building and communicating plan progress. So if you want to start thinking about those things that might be helpful as well tonight updates first >> um I thought I had something to say and then we got into city council city manager updates and now it has going out of my head. So, no, but I reserve the right to raise my hand to add something to the list. >> Sounds good. >> Um, last week we had HBC on Tuesday. We had one application. It was a window replacement that was approved. Um, I was at the business alliance meeting on Friday morning. Um I guess major talks or topics of conversation there were different buildings for if building businesses are down here right now and historic district what they can do can they enhance it, enlarge it, he tighten it, you know what might that look like if they wanted more space. Um some marketing was talked about uh for the different businesses and then um just health insurance costs end up coming up so that other businesses that everyone is rising. Oh, I will say one other thing. So, the Lions did um approve of their meeting just before. So, we know that Annette is part of the Carver on the Minnesota group. Um the Lions are donating $1,000 towards their upcoming project. I can't remember off the top of my head exactly. >> Oral history. That's the one. So, um they are going to receive some of money from that. Um it might be up to 2,000 $1,000 to go towards stories. Maybe they're use that money to stand up a website so that they have a home stories to whatever they want to do. That's all right. Um, I didn't have a chance to, but I wanted to relay in your regular communication with Northland, but I thought they did a really good job the presentation. And I also really liked that they it came up about the park dedication funds and that they referenced the landing, but that, you know, that's my concept plan, but like they adopt to like our terminology, you know, because it's that was a concept. It was sometimes called something different, but I was just like it came up and I was like, what are they going to call it? What are they going to call it? Um, so I just I really think that's a just good partnership and that they adopt to um you know as we start narrowing downisioning things they're there with us. >> Please pass that on. >> Yeah, they're great. Happy to do >> them while they were here. Well, I thought was like when Courtney says it's my turn on that for two hours, >> you know. We've already talked about the public works tour. Uh, so I don't think I need to go into any more of that. So I'll just reserve the right after I'm done if something goes. >> Nobody wants to go home tonight. >> I want to go home tonight. >> Kayla, anything? >> I have nothing to add. >> Eric, anything? >> I'm good. >> All right. Good. It's my turn. Um, let's see. Just a few things for me. Um, we have the fire department and public services open house on October 7th. Always a good time. Always like the fastest two and a half hours ever in the community. Um, let's see. On October 9th, I had a Minnesota cities board meeting. That was our October meeting. Um, we are very much in the midst of going through um the legislative priorities. So, the legislative priorities, I don't have it with me. I don't have it in this bag, but it is like a hefty hefty hefty document. Um, If you guys are interested, I can bring that in the next time. Um, but it's still in draft form. Um, and we're still working on that, which they will be finalized in our November meeting, I believe. So, on uh October 10th, we had a Carver County Mayor's meeting in Chesa at Red Bench owned by a Carver res. Um, then on October 11th, we had Carver Dvali. The Indian community of Carver puts together a Dvali celebration. Um this year it was at the Eden Prairie High School. Um and it is part like um talent show and part song and dance and singing and then one part dinner and it's just a really good time. I think today is actually Dvali Dvali the actual holiday. Um but a really fun event. On October 12th trunker treat took place in downtown Carver. The uh Carver Lions were giving out treat bags and I helped with that. Um It was fantastic weather. It rained a little bit as folks were setting up and then um it was good for the two hours of the event and then just when we were done cleaning up the skies opened up and it was a deluge. So um real good planning on that one. Um public services and facilities tour on the 13th much like Eric I think we've already talked a lot about. On October 14th, we uh gave the HPC award to Barbara Kaiser, who lives just right down the street here at 113 4th Street East. Um if you take a look at the pictures of it, speaking of rain, it was pouring when we took those pictures. So, the pictures turned out really great. Um Barbara has put a lot of work into that home and it's been fun to be driving past it, especially with it being so much on the main thoroughare um to see it and those homes are just a lab of love. So, it's cool to see the work that she's done on it. Um, and then, um, in addition to the public services tour today, I was on Mayor Monday on K Check Radio, which is, um, the station out of New Craig. So, it's about a 20-minute interview where I just shared some high level updates on what's going on in the city of Carver. That is it for me. Last call for anybody else who wants to one more. Eric, >> I did want to I knew there was I knew I forgot something and this is when I forgot the public services open house. It is my kids favorite day of the year. So, I just wanted to thank public services and the fire department for opening up their doors to the community and creating such a wonderful event because my boys look forward to it all year long. So, >> awesome. All right. Um, let's see. Now, we are going to go into closed session. Um, so I need to go in close session pursuant to Minnesota statute 132D uh 05 subdivision 3C close session to discuss develop and consider potentials offers to purchase real estate property located at 490 old Carver Road second discussion favor say I say motion passes >> we're going to head enter into a purchase agreement for the property located at 490 Old Carver Road for $170,000. >> I have a second. >> Got a motion and a second. Any further discussion? All those in favor say I. >> I oppose. Same sign. >> Motion passes. All right. With that, I just have one more. I'm Going back to the never ending communications section, um I wanted to reference the email that I sent and to Brent and Brent forwarded on October 13th for um the subject was uh Blue Lake. Um I am planning on attending the Cover County Board meeting tomorrow morning. Um I'm probably more than just a little bit flustered. Um, Commissioner, who does not represent the city of Carver, has been going out of his way um to share truths about our community. He is telling folks that the city of Carver is going to push the Met Council over capacity for student treatment. Um, I went I connected with De Barber. She gave me those blue link talking points that were attached to that email that says The city of Carver's growth is not going to push us over capacity. The entire region is growing and just like we have plans for our community to grow and to increase infrastructure, so does the Met Council. Um, but that's not going to happen for a while. And you guys know, we all know the city of Carver isn't the only community that's here. So, anyways, I have some talking points that I've typed up that I have ready for tomorrow morning, but I just kind of wanted to share that with you guys. Um, in my mind, this is creating a real threat for our community because we live in a world where if you say the sky is pink and you say it with conviction, it becomes truth. And I'm worried about the damage that could potentially be done by sharing these alternative facts at best um with the community. I've heard probably at least five or six instances where there's public record of him saying it. The most recent one was at the county board meeting two weeks ago. So, I would love to have your support. Um, if you can join me, that would be great. But I certainly understand um that 9 a.m. on a Tuesday is not conducive to everybody's schedule. So, um, just wanted to share that with you guys and give you the opportunity to ask questions. out of my mind. >> Um, I think that I'm I'm happy that if there's a misconception going around that the city of Carver is at capacity or pushing Met Council over the edge for with our growth. Um, and that we obviously don't want that to affect our development that people the rumor mill gets running through and developers saying, "Oh, there might be a problem out in Carver. Maybe we don't want to go." Um so I think it's very valid to at least set the record straight with the entire um carbon county commissioners um at their meeting tomorrow and then everyone will be present and everyone can hear what what is the correct um answer if there's some miscommunications they're having out there. >> I agree. I think it's a good thing to have that communication made. Thank you. >> And I would like to see uh the Barber County Commissioners adopt the document that Deb Barber provided as the single source of truth on the subject. They have done the research. They've done uh their vetting of this. Uh it should stop in that meeting with that document. Uh it was my intention to go to the meeting tomorrow morning with the mayor to say as much. Unfortunately, I think it's important that the takes place. I probably need to learn more about it, but um just the you know if there is a source, you know, whatever the source of truth is for planning the best we can, you know, that's what I want to read. Did you read the talking points that were council? >> Um, no. Because I'm going to see the Met Council tomorrow night, but now I see that the other meeting is tomorrow morning. So, like I said, I just need to read more about it. Um, because yeah, I just need the facts. So, um Okay. All right. That's all I have. >> Just one thing, council. The >> No more one more thing. >> I think you're going to want to hear this. the uh heard from the agent for 490 Old Carver Road and uh they've accepted the city's offer. >> All right, >> that was fast. >> I should have brought the little streamers. >> I know. >> So much. >> That was that was what five minutes. >> Brent's that good. >> Okay. >> Okay, you're fine with that one more thing. Okay. >> Sorry about that. Sorry about that. My bad. >> Okay. I would entertain a motion to journ. Do it quickly. Otherwise, Ren. >> Oh, I thought you said I made a motion to I will make a motion to >> Okay, got a motion. >> I will second and a second. All those in favor say I. I Good evening. Why can't