Call the workshop to order. Roll call, please. >> Council member Nordby, >> here. >> Council member Woods is absent. Council member McKenzie >> here. >> Council member Schwear is absent. Mayor Mongi >> here. Thank you much. Motion to adopt the agenda between you two. >> So moved. >> So moved. >> Second. >> You might as well. >> That's it. >> McKenzie. All those in favor say I. I >> I thank you much. >> All right, we got two topics on the agenda this evening. >> Adopt the agenda >> or did that topics? Thank you. >> Yep. Uh first item up is a Century College presentation of a student build home interior design and uh they'll be coming in now. >> Welcome. Welcome. Good to see you again. >> Same time next year. We do that every year. Welcome. No, it's a great tradition. We want to keep it up. >> Yes. >> Right away. >> Yeah, you guys are up right away. >> A little bit delayed in traffic, so she'll just come busting in with you. >> No worries. >> All right. Okay. So, I think everybody knows me, Katherine Harrington from Century. This is our design build class. And this year, we worked with a new Tom and on a double home, which we haven't done before. So, it's been a little bit of a challenge and kind of a fun change for me. The students have been great. We have a really good batch this year. So, we have um we're really proud to show you what we've done and all the selections we've made. And um we're we're even anxious for when the showcase comes and we can show it off for real. So, um with that, we'll go at it. >> Yeah, we need that. So, is this a two-year program you guys are in? >> Yeah, it is. >> So, how many are in your second year? >> Right. >> Everybody, >> we only let we like mostly for them to be their second year. >> Okay. To do it. >> Supposed to be done so they know what they're doing by the time >> Oh, >> I'm waiting to see. You know, we went through the gray phase. Now we're a little bit warmer colors last year. Where are we at this year? Are we warming up? Cooling down? >> Greenies. >> Yeah. surprise. >> That's going to be the big surprise today huh? >> I'm color blind, so it's always a surprise. This is why he comes out of the booth. We get charged extra for that. Yeah. >> I know. I drove past it today. I try to go every week to see what the where they're at. The siding's up and it's starting to look good. It almost got finished. The fence alongside it looks really nice. >> Yeah, >> that really did. >> You guys should Have you guys come to the open houses before? >> Oh, yeah. That's great. >> Excited to see you guys sometime towards the end of the summer. >> Yeah, we always That's uh It's always fun to have the community up there. Everybody looks forward to seeing what's new and being able to do that. >> Where were the Where was the house last year? Is it like >> uh Webster? It's off of uh Seventh Seventh Avenue. It was just farther down. It was far to the south or excuse me east. >> Seventh and sixth. I'm there. West. That's it. I get into my D. Yeah. Yeah. That was uh one lot we had for quite a while. It was a a remodel and then we had a lot that was next to it that we were able to build on. So, it was nice. It was beautiful. It fitted in really nice. It was uh it for was a strange lot. It was a triangle lot. So, we were able to do that. Put in there. >> We've been waiting for you. >> We had technical issues just till you showed up. We were we were stretching it for you. >> Oh my. They did do the loop, huh? Yes, >> absolutely. >> Plug in your laptop. >> Just take your computer >> or do you want to turn that This is government at work right here. Where does it go when you open it up? It's weird. When you pop it full screen, it disappears. >> Oh no. >> So, how many in your class? Just as everybody. >> Seven was Catherine. because >> Oh, that makes sense. >> Awesome. >> Now, are you guys on the east campus or the west campus? >> East. >> East. >> Yay. >> Thanks, everybody. >> Yep. No, >> anytime. Good job. >> Okay, so um as Katherine mentioned, we're the design group. Uh this year we had two twin homes. So for our goal for this project was to design a twin home with two unique spaces that feel cohesive as a unit and fit the site location. Our approach was to define a spaces uniquely by assigning different design styles to each unit. In unit A, we did we aimed for uh to create a transitional style home with a grounding color palette of earthy browns and greens. And then in unit B, we chose to create a contemporary style living space with um selected more vibrant color palette of blues and oranges. In both units, we designed we aim to design spaces that are approachable and select finishes that are timeless. >> All right. Oh, there we go. We got the board, too. Moving >> Moving to the exterior, our goal was to create a facade that feels cohesive as a single building while hinting of the two unique apartments inside. In order to achieve this, we select a colored palette and materials that feels timeless and fits perfectly into the North St. Paul neighborhood. The exterior line we selected are to unify both homes and make them feel like one using a concested style and cohesive lining. The Dutch lab siding in a stone arbor color gray was chosen because it matched the neighboring houses and helps the design blend with its surrounding. The timber touched ashwood deck adds warmth and the white main door provides the contrast. Overall, everything creates a simple, harmonious and well integrated look. >> Okay. So, got it. Maddie and I are going to walk you through unit A of the twin home. Um, in this unit we wanted to go for a really grounded kind of naturalistic color palette of earthy greens and browns. And so starting with the flooring, we brought in some really warm toned LVP throughout the home and then some warm toned carpet as well in the basement. Um, on our walls in the home, we have a light mushroom color contrasted by an ivory trim which we think really brings out the trim work in the home. And then for our lighting selections for this unit, we wanted to go with some transitional pieces in a black metal finish that feel slightly traditional but still very cohesive. So in the entryway, we have this glass dome light. As you walk in over the kitchen island, we have two pendants in a black and bronze finish. And then in the primary bedroom, we wanted to add a little bit more visual interest, so we decided to add that beautiful chandelier um for the owner suite. Uh, the kitchen is the heart of the home, obviously. So, we really wanted to create a kitchen that felt upscaled and elegant and timeless. So, we went with two-toned cabinets. We have a natural walnut on the lower cabinets, and then on the upper cabinets, we wanted to paint them a classic um beige color, which is complemented by our kind of dark brown countertops. That's lovely. And then our tiles, which add some contrast um to the countertops as well. >> Oh, yeah. We're still talking. >> Yes, we're still talking you today. Um, so yeah, overall we wanted to make this unit feel upscale and approachable and ready for any decor that the future homeowner wants to bring in. >> So, I'm going to go over the floor plan really quick. This is for the unit A traditional. So, it's designed for a more balanced functionality and it's more of an efficient floor plan. The main living area. So, you're going to walk in through the entry and you're going to go straight into the kitchen which has built-in bench. And then in that there is an island for extra prep and extra seating. You're then going to go straight into the dining room which has sliding doors which lead out to a four season porch. Uh for functionality, you can use it all four seasons. And then through there, you're going to go into the living room, which has a tray ceiling to add character and to define the space. And that also has a fireplace kind of as the focal point of that living room. Before we go into that hallway, there will be stairs going down into the basement, which is finished. It has two bedrooms, a full bath, as well as a family room with storage. Then there are two bedrooms on that right side of the home. One is going to be that primary suite with his and hers closet and an on suite bath. And then for bedroom two that has closet and across from that is going to be the guest bathroom. Then you can go through the garage directly into the mudroom which has the laundry in it as well. And then this is a rendering that we did in SketchUp and it shows the natural um wood and then we have that linen color for the cabinets as well. And these are going to be the bathroom elevations for the owner lower as well as the main bathroom. It shows the beautiful light p fixtures we chose out and where they will be placed. And then as well as the cabinet and wall colors, shiakei for the first one. And then we have that softer tan and the techno gray. Okay, so for our contemporary unit, uh we did a more cooler, vibrant colors on the cabinetry to stand out. Um starting with the flooring, we went with vinyl throughout the whole home in a cool gray tone with complimenting gray carpet on the lower level. And then for our walls, we went for a cool gray color and a light contrasting trim that plays off the gray flooring selections. In the kitchen, we went with two tones of blue. Uh the um darker blue on the up on the lower cabinets and then lighter blue uh light lighter bluish gray on the uppers. And then we grounded it with a pop of color um with a white hexagonal tile and countertop. For our hardware and plumbing, we kept it consistent with the bronze finishes to play up on the modern feel and warm up the cool colors in the cabinetry and flooring. And we selected light fixtures that have a that have sleek lines and a more contemporary design that still feels approachable. Then I'll be taking you through the floor plan for unit B. Uh entering from the porch, you step directly into the dining room where a tray ceiling adds height and a sense of detail right at the entry. From here, the space opens naturally into the kitchen, which is centered around a large island. The island incorporates a downdraft range, allowing for unobstructed views and a more open, cohesive feel. A mudroom and laundry are conveniently located off the garage entry to help keep clutter out of sight. The kitchen flows directly into the living room, creating an easy, open layout for both everyday living and entertaining. At the back of the home, the four-season porch extends the living space and offers a bright, comfortable area with views out to a future deck. Two bedrooms are located on the main level along with two bathrooms nearby for convenience. Each bedroom is well proportioned with closet space, making them ideal for family members, guests, or even a home office. The lower level is accessed using the central staircase and includes a secondary living room, providing additional gathering space. Two additional bedrooms are located on this level, offering privacy and separation from the main floor. Overall, the layout balances open connected spaces with more private areas, making it both functional and comfortable. We can go to next. Uh, starting in the owner's bathroom, one of the first things you'll notice is that statement lighting. The pendant fixtures bring in a modern feel and add visual interest above the vanity. For the finishes, we kept the pallets soft and calming with a light ne light light neutral wall color paired with a slightly deeper cabinetry to introduce a subtle contrast while still feeling cohesive and relaxed. Moving into the lower bathroom, the lighting shifts to a more contemporary vanity fixture that provides even functional lighting. Here we introduce a bit more color. We have a fresh, airy tone on the wall, while the cabinetry brings in a muted aqua for some pop of color that keeps the space feeling light but a bit more playful. In the main bathroom, the the lighting is kept simple with a clean linear fixture that complements the overall minimal look. The cabinetry takes lead in this space with a deeper, rich tone, adding overall contrast and grounding the design, while the palette remains crisp and modern. Each bathroom has its own personality through lighting and color, but they all tie together with a cohesive contemporary feel. closing words. >> We're we're open to any questions that you guys may have, but we just want to start with our gratitude for this project and this program and the teachers that have led us through it. It's been such a great experience for us as design students to be able to work with contractors and electricians and plumbers and we all learned a lot about the process being able to apply it hands-on in the railroad. So, thank you for the opportunity to be doing this and if you have any questions, let us know. >> Now, St. Paul Tech, those those students down there will be doing the cabinets, correct? >> Correct. >> And all the trim work and all that. >> Thank you. Wonderful job. Uh can't tell you how much we love having you here and thank you so much. And hearing that this is valuable to you really helps us, you know, uh ensure the worth of the program. So, thank you >> and we look forward to it every year. every year. Yeah. >> Well, great. I I I have to say too that um it is extremely valuable. I don't know of another program I don't know of another program that has this. Um we were so grateful last year when we were here. We didn't even know if we'd have this class again. And then Tom came in and saved us. So, um we're grateful for him also. Um and again, my students get so much out of this. It's just um it's just a joy and they're a joy. So, thanks again. >> Thank you. >> Thanks, John. >> And thank you, Dan. and just give us an update on >> Yes. Right. >> All right, everybody. >> Right. >> Have a good night. >> Good to see you again, Tom. >> Thank you. Uh Tom Lysow, St. Paul College uh carpentry instructor. Um project is going really well. Um we're a little behind schedule, but uh but we're pushing really hard to get the students going. Um siding is wrapping up hopefully next week. Uh inside the main levels, both main levels are sheetrocked, taped, ceiling is textured. They will be painted this week. Interior mill work for the main floors will arrive early next week. Uh we will start the install on the main floor. uh basement level framing inspection, mechanical inspection is going to occur on Thursday this week and then we will move down next week insulate exterior walls. Uh start hanging sheetrock and taping down there. Uh mil work will come at a later at a later phase on that. So uh on the exterior we have uh decking selections already made by Centry College here and uh we will start the install on that. Uh garage floors were poured this week. Uh interior garage will be insulated by St. Paul College and sheetrocked by St. Paul College. The taper is going to return and do a fire tape in there. Um that's uh that's required under the code. Uh um we're not finishing the garage uh taping and painting. Um but uh but yeah, we're we're moving along. Garage doors will come in uh May 4th for install. Uh so fortunately or at that point we'll be able to secure the home. Uh it's been uh pretty wide open all along. Um but we have had no issues uh with your neighborhoods. Uh we actually had one of the neighbors come over and thank us for what we're doing and how much they enjoyed the program, how much they enjoyed watching what's going on. Brought us donuts, which is uh which is nice. So um it was uh it was good. Several people have been walking by now as they see the students kind of come around. We've been hiding around back uh in in the in the backyard, the the tall stuff. As we come around the corner, we had uh two people drive by today and kind of beep the horn and holler out the window, looks great. And uh one gentleman walked the street and and basically said the same thing. So, it's been a great program for St. Paul College. We've enjoyed it. We've enjoyed working with Sentry College. uh they have done an excellent job with selections and timeliness uh getting us what we need as we need it. Uh uh subcontractors have been really uh um performing well uh getting in and getting their work done in a timely manner and uh and overall the project's going really good. Uh I voiced to the students today that we are roughly our first start date was December 3rd. So, we're about four and a half months into this project. All right. We're building two homes essentially, obviously attached uh party wall. Um I think the project is moving along really timely for them and for us. Of course, as the instructor and as somebody who's been in the construction industry, I want more performance. All right. and uh and we've put stuff up and we've taken it down and we've built a wall and we've tore it down and fixed it and and repaired it and that's all part of the learning process. Um it's difficult for me as a contractor, you know, the the contractor side of me to say, "Oh, we just spent three hours and we got four pieces of siding on." You know, that's tough. But it's a learning process for these students and I think they're doing really well. They're they're picking up on it. It's continue. I continuously say that that we have to learn from our failures. All right, we're going to fail. We're going to fail. Then we need to learn and not fail anymore. And uh and it that that is what's happening. I mean, these students are doing really well and they're uh they're uh they're getting close to uh to being ready to move on. Uh our students graduate uh my students graduate May 18th from St. Paul College. Our last day on site will probably be May 14th. Um and uh and we'll see where we're at at that point to see how, you know, we need to to get the rest of the items kind of wrapped up and and closed in. But uh but we're working hard to get as far as we can. Uh we really look forward to this. I mean, it's been a great opportunity. Like I said, uh St. Paul College has appreciated. Um we have the dean at St. Paul College or I'm sorry the dean the the president of St. Paul College the chief financial officer at St. Paul College both came down and visited me last week um in my uh in my in my lab while we were having an open house at St. Paul College and and spoke about how great this program is and and how excited they are to be part of that open house and come um we're broadcasting it all over St. Paul College like you got to come. You got to come. You got to come. So, uh, so it's been just a great opportunity and we appreciate each one of you um with your effort that you put into it and your interest into it. We really appreciate the gentlemen in the back, Ron and Randy, who come up and and make those uh those necessary decisions. And the best part about it is, you know, I I I haven't worked with towns or villages or cities in the past, but this city really responds. All right. I had a hard time getting into the job site one day because the frost was coming out of the ground, the mud was sinking, the truck couldn't back in. Um, sent a message to the two gentlemen in the back and and boom. Um, there was a load of gravel up there for me to back up and over. Um, so they're they're they're great, responsive. Uh, they do exactly what we ask them to do and even more. So, uh, so it's a great big thanks to each one of you, those in the back. Centry College, the partnership has been great and St. Paul College looks forward to next year. >> Amen. >> We're looking forward. >> Thank you everyone. >> Thank you so much. Appreciate you. Thanks everybody. >> Thanks a lot. >> You got to follow that. See how you do. All right. So, next item up is the leadwater service line inventory program update. We got Morgan here from WSB, our city engineer, and he's brought Justin Babcock with him. >> Thank you, Bryant, Mr. Mayor, members of the council. So, um you may have heard uh some bits and pieces over the last couple years since 2024 uh of mostly information coming from the Minnesota Department of Health for all communities that maintain a drinking water system. um basically an edict to identify what materials our service lines from our mains out to the uh homes are made of and specifically looking for outdated materials such as lead or galvanized creating an inventory. Uh Justin Babcock is here with me tonight. He's an engineer at WSB and he is um for the last two years he's taken on as a volunteer originally, but he's done a great job managing for about 15 different communities these inventory efforts and a lot of them look the same for many communities. Um but some of them are unique and he's certainly very familiar with North St. Paul's drinking water system and is here to give you an update in terms of what we've been doing for the last two years. much of this uh much of the activity has been funded by grants from the Department of Health. He'll share some of that to to with you tonight. There's also some opportunities for future grants which are still kind of coming together. There's no guarantees, but we're looking to hopefully have not only more funding from outside sources to be able to help with the identification and furthering the inventory efforts, but also the ultimate replacement for hopefully any and all lead and galvanized services that we find here within the city. um hopefully in fairly short order and he has all the details. So I will Is it up on the screen? Okay, great. I've killed enough time. I'm gonna turn it over to Mr. Justin Babcock and he will give you that upstate update presentation. Thank you Justin. >> Thank you, Morgan. Mr. Mayor, city council, thank you so much for having me tonight. I'm really excited to go over what we've covered so far with this program and what's to be in store. As Morgan touched on there, um we've had a lot of work completed so far, have uncovered a lot of different information, and we'll be using that information as we move forward here in the future years. So, as a reminder, Morgan covered a lot of the basics here. Um but LSL stands for the lead service line program. Um that's the title of the overall program and that has to do with our water service lines here in town that connect the water main to our homes and businesses. Um, for the purpose of this inventory and for this program, we break down our service line into two distinct components being from the water main into the curb stop. That being called the street side and then which is represented by the blue arrow here on my presentation and then the curb stop into the home which is known as the home side represented by the green arrow there in my presentation. And this will come up um a little bit later as I talk about how we categorize the different um groupings here of service lines. The overall program goal, as Morgan mentioned, is to build that inventory and use that inventory to further um our replacement um efforts. Um with that being linked to the EPA lead and copper rule that was established in 2021, which requires all cities throughout the US to complete this inventory. So, we are not alone here in North St. Paul or here in Minnesota. Um it's a requirement across the nation. So, a little bit more about long-term goals for this program. Um, as Morgan mentioned, um, establishing that inventory with the goal of replacement, replacing lead and galvanized service lines is one of the most effective ways to reduce lead exposure um, in drinking water. Um so for those reasons it's very important for public transparency and for public health and welfare for us to have this inventory to establish um what service lines are in the city and then to go and replace those service lines. Um in addition this als this program is also being used to advance our infrastructure management of water of water service lines and our utilities in general. As Morgan mentioned, um the Department of Health, MDH, um is behind a lot of the funding of this technical assistance that WSB has been able to provide um to North St. Paul and assistance to the public works department as well. Um and I'll go into a little bit of what we've uncovered since the program started. So everything started back in 2024 um with the initial goal of creating our very first initial inventory um online via GIS. Um, with that being said, we had the grant funding to go out and both build that inventory and educate the public with those two things going hand inand together of not just building and developing as a city, but also making sure the residents know what those service lines are made of and how they're going to be replaced and treated in the future. Um, as mentioned, some of the work that began in 2024 was um, GIS setting up the initial data inventory. Um, as built in historical document research, as Morgan mentioned, with um, historical construction projects being completed in town, um, our water meter um, replacement program, things like that being analyzed. Um, we then completed public engagement which included a few of the things as you see on the slides here including door hang or postcards and door hangers. And then we also had an open house as you see on the on the bottom with Ron and Randy presenting to um a few of uh the residents here. And then we also completed in-home inspections in the residents homes to understand um what the service lines were made out of. Here's a brief um understanding of what our results were from that initial inventory. That pie chart there um shows a little bit of the four categories that we break down this program into which are lead, galvanized, unknown um and non-led. Non-led being copper, plastic, brass along those lines. Um so a key thing here as I mentioned earlier is that there's two parts of the service line that street side and the home side. So the inventory is categorizing them as one altogether as a total service line. So it's worst case scenario for the material if there are two separate materials. So if we have an unknown material on the home side and a non-led material on the street side, we would classify as unknown being the worst case. Um so that's just a brief breakdown of where we were at after that first year. Moving into 2025, we had another huge win as we um received additional grant funding as a city. The maximum amount um in 2025 being 75,000. Um with that, we were able to do a lot more work to advance and continue to establish our inventory. Um with those unknowns, as you saw, the big chunk of the pie being our main target, trying to get in and complete those inspections. We did a bunch of additional public engagement as you see there on the slide. Again, different postcards and door hangers went out. We used different methodologies to try and get a response from different residents. Um, we also completed plat analysis from the inspections we already did. Plats being the individual neighborhoods of homes as they were built and established to gather information on from each individual home to inference information about the ones we didn't know um didn't have the service line information on. and then once again completed inspections um and had GIS updates. Here's the thing that's really cool about North St. Paul um is the amount of inspections that were completed. As Morgan mentioned, I've worked with a lot of communities um completing this program and we got by far the most amount of community buyin um here in North St. Paul through inspections. Um with that being said, there was over 2,000 inspections completed between 2024 and 2025. Um that's with a great help from public works um and all of their folks who were able to assist us with this program while also completing their day-to-day tasks. Um we had resident self um self inspections that were completed as I mentioned public works inspections and then WSB also had staff um completing inspections. I highlighted a little bit of our little wins as we went through the program. Um the top one being the 2024 inspections and then the bottom being 2025. Um each time that we did a piece of engagement being a postcard, a door hanger, a letter, we immediately saw a spike in those responses and those um investigations and inspections that were completed. Um which was really awesome to see the community buy in um on those pieces of information. As you see, the 2024 program lasted much longer than the 2025 one did based off of funding and how the Department of Health um had their calendar work for this. We had a much shorter time in 2025 um which is why we did a few different things and one of the big things being door-todoor um door knocking. So going up to every single unknown business and resident um and either hanging it hang knocking on the door and hanging a door hanger if there wasn't a resident home or either a completing the inspection right away if the resident was home or scheduling one for a later time if that was more um convenient for the resident. Um as I mentioned um nursing Paul by far had the most amount of inspections of the cities that I worked for. So that was super cool to see that um played out there. Here's some of the results from our 2025 campaign. Um, with many of the inspections seen in that pie chart increasing in the unknown category. Um, as you might notice, the the math doesn't necessarily work out there with the 2,000 inspections um, and then only not finding 2,000 known. That's once again because of that dual side comparison of the service line in the worst case scenario. I'll show the results of just the unknown services and that really shows where we are able to gain a lot of information on that home side from those inspections. As you can see, I don't know if you guys can see my cursor. Ah, you can't. That first pie chart on the far left um is when both sides of the service line were unknown. Um, and you can see between 2024 and 2025, there was a sharp contrast of that going down and then the street side only going up as a result of those home inspections being completed. So, just wanted to uh I guess tie the math there together on on why you were seeing um that 2,000 ones found. Then in 2026, we were able to take all those inspections that we completed and as I mentioned before, do some statistical analysis based off of homes that homes that were found versus homes that were still listed as unknown. So if we found a neighbor of someone who was unknown and we had, you know, inspection data and pictures of that home itself, we then could make statistical inferences about what the other service lines were built at the same time, built by the same contractor, built in the same neighborhood or plat. Um, so a lot of information could be gained from that and that was done off after a recent update of direction from MDH. So coming from the department of health saying that yes this is an acceptable way to treat our inventories moving forward. Pre prior to that um we had been doing strictly hard evidence of had we inspected it did we have specific documentation of historical um information um to prove our points that we were we had made. And as you can see here we had a huge jump that came from that through our statistical um references. And that's a lot of that information is thanks to all of our inspections that were completed. So once again going back to that great number of inspection, resident buyin, public works buyin that we uh received from staff here and then from residents. What you might be wondering next is what what are our next steps? What does 2027 and beyond look like? And Morgan mentioned this a little bit here um and I mentioned it earlier at the start of the presentation, but those lead and galvanized service lines will need to be replaced. Um, and with that, North St. Paul, um, and the staff here is, uh, we've looked at a three-phased approach to replacing the service lines. The 140 on there, that's the amount of service lines that we currently know need to be replaced. That is not our total number of service lines that need to be replaced as there may be some unknowns that come back lead or galvanized that we find here when continuing our inventory. Um, that would then be added to this list and added into our replacement plan. But with what we have right now, we are breaking it down into three different phases as that is the mo the best way to receive funding um as what we've seen from other cities um so far. And then in addition breaking that into a manageable project as well for the city and those three phases would be then proposed to consider continue in the three consecutive years of 27 28 and 29 based off of funding. So, a lot of this will be based off of the funding that we receive or qualify for. Um, and that will be dependent on Department of Health. So, that necessarily won't be the exact way that it would go, but in a perfect world, that's how we would like to see um the replacement program happen. And then secondly, the the unknown services there, that's the remainder amount, the 1831. And we are proposing a potholeing methodology to move forward with that as well. I know we chatted a little bit about potholeing before um the meeting here today. Um but potholeing, otherwise known as hydro excavating, is one of the ways that you can um with very little amount of impact to the resident or to the property or to the yard um understand what the service line is on the street side. As I've mentioned a few times here, the street side has been our problem is not having the information from it and not being able to gain that through the inspections. Um so being able to get that information from the hydro excavating here it becomes key. Um one of the cool things that uh has happened recently as well um is that we applied and received grant funding for the Minnesota Department of Health potholeing pilot program. Um so that's supposed to start this year as well. One of 36 cities that were selected throughout the state of Minnesota for this program. So super cool opportunity there. As Morgan mentioned, that currently right now is going through contract negotiations um with how that program is going to be run. So, I'm really hoping to deliver that program um here this summer. And one other little little touch here for the replacements um is that we have broken it down. Here's a kind of a map of the three phases here. Um once again depending on funding as it becomes available phase one is really going to have those lead service lines par lead service lines paramount replacing those first. Um, so the service lines that are led that are known in the city are going to be the ones we tackle first and then we are going to continue with the galvanized service lines as part of the program in accordance to the Minnesota Department of Health prioritization um steps and prioritization prioritization criteria that the Department of Health has laid out. Um, and that's based off of census data. So, we're making datadriven decisions here, not just picking and choosing where we want to go. It's the census data mixed with Department of Health um criteria of specifically children under five in the areas and then in addition families under 200% of poverty is the two big things that they want us to consider when looking at phasing. And then, as I mentioned, um continuing to investigate those unknowns through potholeing, through continued inspections. Um, we've been seeing a lot that when we can begin these replacement projects, we start to get more interest in the program again of, oh, well, that's now I see your replacement. Oh, now I want to be part of the inventory. Like, now I want to be included. Um, so we're encouraged that that would um increase the inventory as well as we move forward here. With that, I'd love to take any questions and I'll stand for any questions from the council. >> Thank you so much. >> Excellent presentation. >> Thank you. >> Very good. Appreciate it. when when we do major road reconstructions, are we able to tie in um anything needed to that so we're not trying to rip the road up twice? >> Yes, that's been one of the major considerations. And when I had mentioned um using it for our utility asset management at the beginning, that's one of the big things that this program was the goal to tie it into was was that anytime we're going to disturb a road, disturb a resident's property that we're looking at this list of services we need to replace or focus on replacing and getting those involved as well. So yes, reducing the amount of impact to as as little as possible. And then same thing goes with further decisions for utilities involving this information as well as we go forward. >> Awesome. Thank you. >> What's the communication from the state as far as having money available for replacing those lines? >> So right now we have commitment from the state through 2027 um for money that they have set aside for this program. After that they are unsure right now. Um as was mentioned just before um the the presentation started uh so I'll cover it for everybody. Um we applied for all three of these projects to be completed in 2027, 2028 and 2029. Um and that goes onto a drinking water revolving fund program and then we will learn if we received funding and where we sit on that priority list um this fall. So we'll learn about where we sit in the priority and if we received funding and then we go forward with a project um hopefully let them know. Yes. So, yeah, what we what we found based off of the um the project priority and intended use plans, which is what um they fund these programs from, um we found that about a million dollar project every year is what the Department of Health likes to fund. Um so, that's one of the reasons why we broke this into three phases is because for about 50 to 60 services you can fit into that million-doll project, and that's engineering, construction, inspection construction everything included. um in that a million dollars. Um so that's kind of how we we one of the reasons we broke it down as well um being those prioritization principles and then in addition um the best way that department of health has seen that appetite for funding. >> Now will this be included in our next phase two of our Chisum and our Msaba roads that will start next year? Now >> I will defer I can speak to that. >> Uh Mr. Mr. Mayor, members of the council. So, with uh next year's reconstruction project, um what we typically do and what we've done in past projects and although we haven't completed the final design for that project, I would anticipate it would be the same. We're replacing not only the water main but also the services to the shut off valves which are generally at the property line. So that street side, you know, the two halves of the equation like Justin was explaining, the street side is taken care of. If in fact we do identify or see something, as we kind of talked about before, when the trench is open, we will um identify that. If it's letter galvanized, we'll probably let the homeowner know. If it's unknown at that time and it's not on our inventory, we'll update our inventory and there might even potentially be an opportunity to address it right then and there, but I can't promise that, right? A lot that depends on a lot of different things. But um as we go through these projects and this goes back to I think the last time that I was involved on a project where we found a lead service line or the first time would have been 2018 and I think it happened one other time on another project off 7th Avenue. So we've been doing this similarly even before the service line inventory program was a thing, right? And so it just depends on what we as the city or the city's agents if there's going to be excavation, what we find. I know public works is the same. Even if it's not a street and utility reconstruction project, if they're trying to fix a leaky valve or a leaky service and they come across some evidence that shows um you know a galvanized or a lead or or something that needs to be looked at or cataloged in a further in a better fashion, they'll let us know. We'll update u our inventory. uh and maybe that's again some additional action that needs to happen at the time. So everybody's on the lookout and certainly there's a that nexus between the investigation and the identification that's the inventory that's where we started and then the actual work to replace it and that's where this potentially if we get the funding and I think things are pointing in the right direction but three years worth of projects focused on replacing lead and galvanized services throughout the city based on prioritization that's set by the department of health at potentially about a million dollars per year, you know, outside funding from I think it's coming from the state and federal government is it's a blended pot of money that's being distributed out. But that's the plan of attack to hopefully remove at least the known ones over a course of three years. And if we can get some more through that inventory, as Justin said, as time goes on, then that's all the better, right? So that's that's the goal. If it's not too much trouble on your next steps on the map there, could you send us or email us a map that you can blow up where you can actually see the street name? I was trying to blow it up. >> Oh, sure. >> But but as soon as you try and blow it up to see what the street name is, it's so blurry. >> Sure. And Yeah. So, and for the for for the council and for the public and I believe this is on the city website, the link to the map. >> I don't know about this specific map, but it our >> not this specific map, but our inventory map is available. um within the city and I think we had meant for that to be on the website. If it's not, I apologize, but we're moving towards that. That is slightly confusing to some in the public because there's also a map that's been made available by the state of Minnesota. Now, that's a great map, too. The only problem with that is that is managed by the state. They get our information as we find it service by service. We send it into them, but they have told us and all the other cities that they only update that map once a year. So somebody looking to see, you know, hey, I got this identified and I sent it into the city and then they check the state's map and hey, it's still unknown. That's that's happened before. But our map, which we do have created and linked and and it's the same data, it's just updated, I think, live daily, right? So that's going to be the most accurate way for the public to get a handle on, you know, their home or their street or their neighborhood neighborhood, right? So that will be that is available. It is uh and I we can certainly send you know this versions better versions of this map to the council so it could be update or it could be zoomed in on for street names. >> Thank you. >> All right questions if not thank you so much. >> Thank you for your time. Appreciate it. >> Thanks. There's no other business. So at this time, can we call for adjournment? It's uh 603. We'll have till 6:30. >> So moved. >> So moved. Council member Schwar. >> Second. >> Second. Council member McKenzie. All those in favor say I. I. >> All right. See you at 6:30.