foreign welcome to the Monday December 12 2022 Planning Commission please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank you first order business I'd like to take is I'd like to welcome our newest member of the Planning Commission Christian fenstermacher is one of our alternate committee members so welcome to the team thank you with that is anybody got any changes additions to the agenda for today nope with that I'll take a motion in a second to approve today's agenda so moved second we have a motion by shutter and ringstead is a second all those in favor say aye aye aye today's agenda is approved next on the agenda is to consider approval to Monday November 14th 2022 meeting minutes any changes additions deletions seeing none I will take a motion in a second to approve Monday November 14th meeting minutes we have a motion by Johnson and second by ringstead all those in favor say aye aye aye aye the minutes from November 14th are approved with that we have two agenda items today both of them are public hearings and let me just say how this will go a little on the public hearings first of all staff will give its report on the hearing materials Planning Commission members will then question staff about the report and then we will ask the applicant to give any information that's needed we will also ask questions of the applicant at that point we'll Motion in second to open the public hearing and at that point anyone who would like to speak can come up to the microphone and address the committee and behalf of my fellow Commissioners and I'd like to welcome everyone and read the public hearing procedures if you wish to address the commission I'd ask you please approach the podium press the button to turn on the microphone and then clearly state your name and address for the official record so everyone has a chance to speak we ask that you limit your comments to five to seven minutes in length and you make concise statements of fact pertaining to the application this meeting is the official public hearing and your primary opportunity to be heard on the matter the city council has no obligation to accept further public comment in many cases they do not so please do not hesitate to speak up and with that I will turn it over to staff for pdev 33 thank you chair team in members of the Planning Commission first agenda item tonight before you is a request for a preliminary plat to be known as rottermacher's second edition so first I'll kind of go over some of the characteristics of the area of parcel itself that's to be considered for preliminary plot so Mark Rowe of java properties on behalf of the current property owner has applied for approval of preliminary plot again to be known as rottermacher's second edition the subject property is located just Southwest of Highway 13 and Panama Avenue along Village Lake Drive next to what is currently a tractor supply um it's currently the last undeveloped parcel for rademacher's first edition um some of the across from Panama Avenue the other outlets within the first edition have been planted and developed into what is today McDonald's restaurant Pro Service Automotive Repair and then Tractor Supply again the current proposal calls for one lot and one Outlet total site areas 3.148 Acres the proposed commercial lot would be total 0.93 Acres while the outlet would total 2.22 Acres there are no Wetlands existing on the site and the Topography is relatively flat access would be proposed and I'll talk about this in a slide or two here proposed from Village Lake tribe and the parcel is zoned C2 General business and is destined to be zoned in our 2040 plan C2 retail General business it is in the Shoreland District of Crystal Lake which is just south of the property um because of that both the Prior Lake Spring Lake Watershed District as well as the DNR have reviewed the application and did not provide any kind of substantive comments for for the application on sanitary sewer and water mains are available to the site so getting into the preliminary plot request itself Again One commercial lot and one out lot there the square footage of both of those lots in the acreage is on your screen in front of you the plan would be to develop the first slot into a Caribou Coffee drive through while the outlet would remain vacant until future potential site plans would be considered for that lot so with the site being 2.2 Acres you could fit to three other businesses on there the minimum lot area for our C2 commercial district is half an acre so there's definitely room to put multiple businesses in in the out lot um as far as traffic goes and kind of being one of the main considerations with this being a drive-through Coffee location I'll cover some of the characteristics of the site plan here the site includes 15 parking stalls the vehicle stacking requirements for the restaurant and the drive-through specifically or have been met uh and as far as entering exiting the uh the site left turn lanes are proposed for entering from Village Lake Drive as well as turning South onto Heritage Lane Southeast Southeast which is where um you'll see there is a number of town home complexes just south of that property in working with staff as well as third party Traffic Engineers we've determined that the traffic generation estimate for the property is not found to have an adverse impact on the existing Railway system I won't go into greater detail right now but if you have some questions about that we have some information as well as our assistant city engineer monster here to help answer any questions that you might have in that regard uh as far as staff comments some of the major uh comments that the applicant received in response to the application are currently in progress a lot of those have been addressed the current rendering that you see in front of you is actually the second iteration of the site plans so a lot of those engineering comments have been addressed already there will be an access easement required for the entrance into what will later be a lot to lot 3 depending on how it gets developed and one of the main or one of the comments in our engineering staff memo is that this will be the only entrance to and from any additional lots that are developed in this parcel as a whole so any other businesses that come in here would be entering through here or would share a joint access through this commercial or Tractor Supply entrance the only additional staff comment that isn't shown in this plan is a result of both Minnesota DOT recommendation as well as fulfilling our own zoning requirements for a proposed walk-up window for the coffee drive through there is a seating area as well as a walk-up window so you can walk up and order a coffee the comment is to create some sort of sidewalk connection from the sidewalk that's currently along the north side of Village Lake Drive to the seating area and walk up window as a way to ensure that pedestrians and people who aren't in cars can use the coffee shop and the customer there so with that staff is recommending approval of the preliminary plot with the following conditions developer shall obtain the required permits from other state local agencies developers shall revise the plans in accordance to the recommendations contained in the Minnesota DOT memorandum as well as the comments that have been made in our public works department memorandum and Community Development memorandum as well and with that our recommended motion would be a motion a second to recommend approval that should say rodenbacher's second edition preliminary plot subject to holistic editions or authors that may be added or Modified by the Planning Commission so with that I'll take any questions or comments that you have for staff thank you for the detailed report I have no questions commissioner Colberg questions commissioner cheddar no questions commissioner ringstead no questions commissioner Johnson no questions commissioner Tennyson no questions thank you and commissioner fenstermacher no questions all right that's a quick and quick one all righty with the applicant like to address the commission at all you're good okay with that then I will take a motion in a second to open tonight's public hearing on this item so moved second we have a motion commissioner cheddar and second by ringstead all those in favor say aye aye aye today's public hearing is open would anybody like to address the commission on this agenda item I'll ask one or two more times anyone I'm seeing no one rise so with that I will take a motion and a second to close to the public hearing on this item until second we have commissioner kalberg and commissioner cheddar all those in favor of closing to public hearing say aye aye aye the public hearing is closed on this item with that I think this is a really nice project but I have no concerns with it um commissioner kulberg I'm supporting of this I don't see any problems with it I think it's a good addition to the area they've been waiting for a Caribou Coffee for a while I think now so it's finally coming so thanks supporting commissioner cheddar yeah I have no concerns I think the report addressed the questions around traffic which is I think going to be a obvious question and I'm excited to see the infill parcels develop so commissioner ringstead I think it's a great project for this site it's been undeveloped for quite a while and to get a caribou there in a second Outlet who knows that outlot may be purchased and developed sooner than we think so I do them in support great commissioner Johnson I'd agree with previous comments uh looks like a great project I think it fits the area well obviously it's it's well laid out and I get my support commissioner Tennyson I have no additional comments and commissioner fence demacher uh so um uh Sparta of this project I do like to additional comment to the sidewalk connection that's that's a good ad for this so great with that then I will take a motion and a second to recommend approval to permanently plat subject to the conditions stated so moved second commissioner cheddar and Goldberg all those in favor of today's motion please say aye aye preliminary plot is approved that we will move to our second agenda item pdev 34. staff thank you Mr chairman members of the Planning Commission the next gen item for you is an item that those of you that run a plenty commission for the past year may recall seeing this in the spring but the developer is has a new proposal to share with us tonight the project before you is a Jeffers Pond Apartments which is a major PUD Amendment to the Jeffers Pond plan year development on the north side of Prior Lake subject site is located near the intersection of County Road Highway 42 which borders the northern portion of the site and then County Road 21 to the east of the site here and it's highlighted here in red it's an undeveloped site designed more for residential on a commercial mix and has a access via the main access to the site is going to be via the roundabout that immediately west of the of the project site what is proposed uh before you tonight well I'll get into the details is going to be 140 unit total three-story market rate apartment building with additions of 35 000 plus square feet of future commercial land uses on the site as you can see here from the aerial and I'll show you on the next slides the Jeffers Pond area is mostly built out and developed from the Pud that was originally designed in 2005 the remaining areas are this area as well as the other area that is just to the west of it along Highway 42. as I said the Jeffers Pond PUD was first designed in 2005 as a Planning Development and had a variety of mixture of residential densities and Commercial uses at the time in 2005 it was seen that upwards of nearly 500 housing units could be added into the site with varying density all the way from low medium and even high density neighborhoods as well as all the streets public park system Elementary School is located there Jeffers Pond Elementary our fire station number two and currently One commercial development for a little explorers daycare which opened just earlier this year um so it's no longer under construction it's recently opening and then uh Outlet B uh is right across from it that proposed 170 97 unit apartment building that was proposed by Carlson uh development if you recall that earlier in the year and then remains is the other outlets this is out Lot C of 11 acres and the remainder of Outlet a that is the uh the area um that was um left over from the daycare Edition recently so just going through some of the phases the Jeffers Pond development uh phases that were as part of the project the first phase not only had the elementary school but also some of the areas of flow density residential as it progressed from 2005 post recession other phases of the project were included revised altered throughout finishing with little explorers being the most recent develop phase in the commercial node and then the both this Village area or Jeffers Pond Outlet C that we're looking at currently as well as The Preserve at Jeffers which is that carlston project 197 unit apartment building that was approved previously this year yet to be constructed and this would be the uh the end of the Jeffers Pond development once these areas are constructed between the Charleston this area and then the remaining commercial area that is on the other side of little explorers in 2015 a land use amendment was created just specifically kind of for the northern area of Jeffers Pond it was created in in line of putting in some of the town home complexes that are part of the Cove Development Area that was more recent residential development this has been since amended to that Preserve at Jeffers Pond carlston development the 187 unit apartment building and what we're looking at currently here is this area over here this was again a conceptual land use plan amendment that was basically devised and approved by the city council in 2015 to identify the needs both for high density residential and Commercial aspects in this area and you can kind of see the square footages that have been placed on here that's the the key that when you considered this project in April that the Planning Commission looked at especially for the commercial Square footages for the project that were highlighted specifically for the outlet C area here or what is basically west of the Jeffers Pond channel is the dividing green line if you would there in between the East and the West so when looking at this this was The Proposal that was before you in April of 20 of 2022 just this past April they were looking at actually doing an all in residential with two apartment buildings was going to be upwards of 221 units in three-story apartment buildings and a Planning Commission offered a recommendation uh denying the project or did not recommend the project to the city council the applicant following that chose to withdraw their application go back revise their plan and is back before you tonight with the revised site plan so this is what their proposal is currently it is for a 140 unit three-story market rate rent to our apartment building that is highlighted here in yellow on the south side that would be constructed as part of their initial development phase as well as the gray parking lot areas and the storm water ponds that you see in the central area of the site the commercial designation to the north would be for future commercial land uses but it does identify and designate over 35 000 square feet of commercial land for that site with additional parking obviously some of this parking would be shared in between the two as well speaking of parking when looking at the the apartment uh parking that's going to be constructed just in general 238 stalls 140 of those stalls are underneath the building in the underground spaces and then 98 surface spaces as well the commercial would accommodate some of future spaces as well and they would also as I said share a mixture of parking between the two I already mentioned the site as being an 11 acres in size and the access for the whole site would be via the roundabout access that is already constructed to this point and remains there today the applicant of goal I'm sure in a little more detail about their concept of their their building and what they're what they're constructing but here's just a conceptual elevation of the building itself a mixture of colors varying materials uh the materials if you noticed in your in um your report they do not meet these specific criteria of our architectural guidelines however the mixture of materials they have both vertical and horizontal siding profiles uh the mixture of their glass stone work in throughout the building and they're varying height and profiles of their elevations going in and out with those wall profiles do meet many of the intentions of our architectural design guidelines I'll remind you that this is a PUD and so they can't alter some of those and modify some of those architectural standards as part of the Pud process City staff does believe they've done a good job of of showing that alteration and providing for uh some breakup of the building if you would in the profile as well as the color and material mixture so we do we do find that at favorable from their architectural standpoint the major PUD Amendment as I mentioned before Jeffers Pond has been in the works since 2005 and there have been over 10 major PUD amendments throughout its uh history basically we got undergo these major PUD amendments every time we kind of get another phase of the development that comes in just because at Jeffers Pond is as a whole and if I would refer back to that map that showed the kind of the conceptual commercial residential layouts before a lot of those things at that time don't include all of the engineering specs of grading drainage utility access parking and the standards it's more of a high level conceptual rendering and goal setting for setting those parameters of square footages and unit types and so every time we get a more specific end user whether it be commercial or residential and the city undergoes a major amendment process with the application to more provide some more finite characteristics of that so um so uh the uh uh the puds show that they provide a flexible approach uh to a development uh and in this case uh that flexible approach uh in modifications that developers requesting is in the height of the building a little bit is a little bit taller than our general height requirement for this area and the developer I think has has just a a slide that they just wanted to highlight on that but um it's uh the height of their average building still does meet the intent of our city code they've got some other Peaks as you can kind of see from that conceptual drawing that go a little bit taller in overall height they also and excuse me it is a four-story building and stuff I I think I said three story a couple times as you can see just from the windows it is a four-story building but uh the uh between the height the parking requirement is not quite up to two parking stalls per unit with Apartments we have seen that as being something that's agreeable as long as it's into that 1.7 1.75 range or higher their at least that range of that 1.7 or 1.75 for the apartments and as I said they're actually even showing a parking lot that will actually mix and blend with the commercial aspects of it and when you think about parking for an apartment building generally you have those parking needs in the early morning or evening hours when people residents are there opposite for commercial hours so the use of a joint parking facility is actually something that is desired from our perspective it decreases the amount of overall parking needs for the users as a whole which decreases the amount of hard surface on the site which decreases the amount of storm water and other accommodations that we need to design for it so all things which are better and more efficient for the environment on that aspect the other aspects of a of a PUD is it provides more efficient uses of the city street utilities that I just mentioned in the aspects of the Jeffers Pond PUD parks and trails have been designed throughout its history and this would connect to those parks and to of those Trail systems that are already in Jeffers pond it would fulfill a requirement much like the carlston development is that is across the street for a high density user in Jeffers Pond that we currently do not have for residential aspects we have the medium density town homes and those aspects and the low density single families so because of that City staff is recommending approval of the major Beauty Amendment for this 140 unit apartment building and the 35 000 square feet of future commercial land uses which when the commercial land uses come back in you might see another PUD Amendment just because we don't have those defining exactly their their parameters but this does allow the necessary space for those commercial land uses it does jive with the overall comp plan and um and uh concept plan that the Jeffers plan project had in 2015 and it does uh mirror some of the recommendations that you provided the applicant in April and Direction um to to go if they wanted to pursue their project to the city council and further so I can take any questions you might have at this time the applicants here as well and they have some short presentation of of information to provide you as well but with that this would then after your recommendation this would then proceed on to the city council for their final action most likely sometime in the new year thank you thank you very much for a lot of detail there Jeff uh I have no questions commissioner cheddar questions Jeff you mentioned the height requirement is that it was at a Max that we're going above or is that a minimum that were it is uh commissioner cheddar it's actually a maximum that we're going above um I believe the maximum height at the peak of this one is around 52 and 45 is the general height requirement maximum that we have good thank you no other questions commissioner kalberg there was also some discussion about the exterior finish being varied from the standard yes commissioner kolberg as I said it was the exterior finishes that you see in that conceptual rendering they've got both Hardie board board and batten a Hardy Board Siding stone veneer as well as the windows so obviously the glass work itself and some metal accents that you have not only around the windows but in the uh the metal work of the framing and some of the other architectural aspects the percentages of the materials don't quite hit all of our percentage requirements for for our city code you may recall little explorers the last Amendment we had had a very similar situation with their profiles but because of the variation of the profiles and materials the colors they're choosing there's still meaning a lot of the intentions of our city code they just don't meet the exact specific percentage number and because it's a PUD amendment that is something that they can ask for a modification to it's not just a traditional straight zoning so part of this we need to consider is whether to allow that much variation from the standard yeah that would be correct Mr Culver so we've got a number of things involved here the height the exterior finish the size of the building what are all the details of the amendment those are the most of the modifications Minister kohlberg the parking requirement they're just a little bit under that parking requirement but as I said they've streamlined that in their joint parking facility agreement that they would have ultimately with the commercial areas and in this site it does mirror the the aspects conceptually of what we desired at Jeffers Pond for high density residential in this area so the city staff does see those modifications as favorable given the product and the design layout that they have for the site it does fit the site very well for the um for both from a pedestrian or vehicular standpoint and accessing it thank you commissioner friend stomacher I have no additional comes right now commissioner Tennyson I've had a couple questions about the um the parking um so how many guest parking spots are there available beside has that been determined yet yeah commissioner Tennyson um that might be a good question for the applicant when they come up and stuff I don't have exactly details but it's a good question if you want to hold that from the applicant does a presentation the other question I have um is the land that's directly south of the building and directly west of the building is that land that could be developed further or is that going to be let me go go back to a good slide here I'm just going to go back sorry to the front Okay it's to this commissioner or Tennyson you said to the Southwest to the South um so it looks like there's a little Pond there um so just south of the building itself looks like the building isn't taking up all the land so that's land that wouldn't be developed that would just be correct yeah commissioner Tennyson this this land there's a pond there and uh so that would be not a buildable area for the for future development thanks yep commissioner Johnson I just have a couple questions on the uh commercial square foot space that's left available can you go forward a couple slides to I think it was the last time that there was a PUD Amendment um yeah up right there so the 2015 PUD had 200 000 square feet in commercial space planned is that accurate what was a yeah so I sorry to give you a little more background on this one um 270 000 square feet was what was designated or designed for prior to 2015. in 2015 that was reduced down to 87 000 square feet of impervious surface or excuse me of a square footage of commercial land and the little explorers as you can see there is 16 700 and so what this side is slide is showing is that there is still a need based on what the council um designed in 2015 to have 87 000 square feet total that there is a another need of another 70 000 square feet in commercial land to be designated for the future of Jeffers Pond and as you can see here some of the red red bubbles here show those areas that would meet that seventy thousand square feet the area that we're looking at right here is uh this area right here on the outlet sea of what Rachel and Vincent development are showing and they're showing a potential of 35 000 square feet here for future land uses in this area it has showing about 30 000 so that does jive within that that allocation okay um no further questions to Mr Ringston so Jeff if approved tonight and by the the city council in 2023 sometime this would close out all of the residential development within Jeffers Pond correct yeah the foreseeably that would be correct because between the Carlson project which is on this site here that was already approved by Council earlier this year and then this residential project would be here conceptually that would leave just the remaining commercial land development for Jeffers pond in the future the last comment in I'm not I don't expect you to remember this but do you recall with the project that was approved earlier this year to the West what the percentage of parking to units was was it 2.0 or was it less than that I believe it was less than 2.0 I yeah I believe it was somewhere around 1.6 or somewhere in just North 1.5 okay um good thank you that's all I have great uh with that would the applicant like to approach and discuss the proposal be sure to state your name and address for the record please here we go Paul Robinson with Rachel development 4180 Napier Court Saint Michael Jeff covered so much of what I'm going to present but I do think it probably could augment what he said so I'm going to focus on some of the differences and not everything that Jeff already covered okay so this is just our team I just thought I'd put it back up so I'm Paul I'm the development director for racial development uh it is a joint project between Rachel and Vincent and we've done a number of projects both senior and apartments together so uh just we're back we were here a year it was basically we started this process about a year ago and then went through modifying our initial application came to before you in the spring last year and kind of maybe good or bad luck we came right at the same time as another applicant that was doing a apartment across from us and I think that at that time we heard both from the council and the Planning Commission that there was a desire to stay more true to the 2015 PUD and have and not give up all that commercial space and so we basically withdraw drew our application after the public hearing we met with Jeffers Foundation we kind of kind of went back to the drawing board as a group and then put another plan together we met with the Eda in August just to kind of make sure we are on the right track before we developed uh final plans and so they gave us the indication that we were on the right track we went back put our plans together and that's why we're here tonight so that's kind of the history of kind of how we got here Jeff also showed you the two plans but when you see it I just put them next week each other you can see our previous plan had the two apartments and our current plan has the one apartment and the one and then preserves that commercial space that's kind of always been there in that 2015 plan it exists today maybe I'll mention on this slide so what we're intending to do is correct to that entire red area so that anybody could build a building anywhere in that area so we're showing a concept of two different buildings but somebody could come up with a building in the middle or on the side or anywhere in that area so that's our intention this is just to kind of highlight where where this PUD the amendment was previously so Jeff went through this so there was basically commercial spread out over three locations the East and the west side of Outlet sea and then on Outlet B uh same for was true for residential kind of spread out all over so we had 87 000 square feet of commercial there was 318 units of residential what happened is you know there was an 196 units approved on Outlet B so that went from a mix to all residential and there was the the daycare approved Outlet C so that went from a mix basically to more all commercial and then the the middle was back kind of what we're coming back to you with is really what was still left in the plan which was a mix of residential so that southern area being residential and then that Northern Area and we're showing a concept of 35 400 square feet but it could range anywhere to 30 to 40 000 depending on what somebody eventually builds just going through our proposal um Jeff really went through this so there was the 140 unit apartment there's 140 spaces underneath surface parking our commercial area there's that concept this is a concept for a two-story office building that's a concept of a 10 000 square foot kind of retail service area and the totaling thirty five thousand so we have ponding there so one of those ponds is a subsurface Pond underneath the parking lot Our intention with this is to make it more marketable as a commercial area so when somebody comes in to develop the commercial the ponding that we're building with this phase accommodates that commercial development of the future so I think it gives you a leg up in the future to get that done and then it's surrounded by quite a bit of open space and I did on my on one slide I got rid of but there's that pond is kind of that uh one of the council members was talking about is still is up there one of the planning commissioners uh just looking at the Landscaping we're preserving quite a bit of the trees right along the the channel the Prior Lake channel is long as well as long Fountain Drive uh planning a number of conifers deciduous trees and shrubs and perennials uh I think it'll be pretty attractive inside just to understand the parking and I can maybe touch on that guest parking comment so in the in the structure itself under they'll be or on the surface there'll be 98 parking stalls they're not designated for a unit so any of those stalls in essence could become guest parking depending on what's being used um under the building there's 140 stalls those will be designated one per unit so those will be just for people who live in the building uh so that was a total of 218. it is 1.7 so the city standard was 2.0 what we had um well we generally shoot for is 1.5 and I did look up a staff report on carlston they had 1.32 so that was what that was what was in the final report so I'm not sure maybe it ended up being higher sorry Jeff and then if you look um to the Future commercial area we have we're showing about 110 surface stalls you can see some of the parking that we're building with the apartment is actually going to be allocated to the commercial area the 31 underground stalls for a total of 141 we did provide a parking memo with our packet or what with our submittal and in that parking memo it says that they're not accounting for any of the shared parking but when you account for the shared parking this is actually pretty well parked because when it like what Jeff said as far as just people you know apartment people are being there on the weekends commercials aren't you know all those off you know during the day off day shared parking Arrangements I'm just going to go through a few examples I think we did this I showed you these last time too so I'm not going to spend a lot of time but these are just examples maybe not exactly what we're building here but just some of the styling and detailing that we've done in different developments this one's in Rogers this one's in Richfield this has got a little bit more of an urban vibe to it we did Reese not that long ago just down from our Jeffers Pond this nor Bella Senior Center and then this is again our rendering so it's a modern style four-story flat roof building has a mix of nice high quality materials this is a pretty standard material mix uh in a very you know that's used through nice suburbs throughout the Twin Cities the the building itself comes with a nice design and amenity package that's for you know high-end living both inside and outside it's um and then again what as Jeff mentioned the the highest point on the building is 52 feet this is pretty similar in massing and height to the carlston plan that was approved across the street and these are just some pictures of actual buildings built with the similar styling and some of the similar materials and then just touching on the kinds of amenities we're going to have the dog park these are similar to what we had before there's a pool facility there's an outdoor living grilling hangout area bocce ball court inside what we like is this kind of this amenity area kind of gets tucked into the corner of the building so there's you know Fitness area and community room kitchen there's indoor outdoor bar there's of course mail center there's a place for conference rooms and working a game room and then all of the other kinds of amenities you'd expect in a nicely laid out facility like this so we think it'll be a great place to live so in summary we've listened to the concerns we've adapted our plan we think this plan satisfies the housing Target so it gets the like what I think one of the Commissioners said it does brings you to the the limit of the residential that you need in within Jeffers Pond provides a pad ready commercial site which I think is a bad benefit and is consistent with the 2015 plan Amendment so with that I will I'm happy to take any questions now or after the public hearing thank you very much Paul I appreciate the detail information and do appreciate you taking a lot of the comments we had from the last time so any questions for Paul from the commissioners commissioner Denson yeah just a quick question and maybe this is in the document is there any consideration for electric charging stations for vehicles it's a good question I do believe that we've accommodated I don't know the number it's on our I don't have that in front of me but we do have some I under in the 140 unit under the building yeah thank you anything else oh commissioner ringstead getting back to the parking and notice you've got one stall underground for every apartment is that an optional add-on for residents or is that you or the parking space underground going to be included in whatever the lease payment is it's a good question I don't know how we handle that typically I usually think it's one per unit and but I think people have the flexibility to barter that within the units so they don't have to take it if they don't want perhaps it's a little bit out of my league I'm not I don't manage that part of our that's not part of my role in this group thanks sorry that's right anything else okay thank you very much Paul yeah with that can I get a motion in a second to open tonight's public hearing on this item so moved second we have a motion by cheddar second by carlberg all those in favor say aye aye aye anyone who would like to address the commission please come up and state your name and address for the record and if it's not green on the little microphone touch it if it's not green on the little microphone touch it okay thank you for your time uh my name is Ryan O'Keefe 14304 Enclave Court um I just have some questions and then I have some concerns um I was here at the last meeting when the other apartment complex got approved these letters that get sent out to all the neighborhoods is there a lead time of when people can expect to get these um just for exist or example here is that this this letter it was prepared on the 18th of November and this letter is not leaving Prior Lake it's going 2.6 miles to our neighborhood and I got it on December 3rd leaving us nine days before this meeting the meeting before last time we got a seven day notice now with people with kids and activities and sports and all that type of stuff their schedules are you know scheduled out weeks in advance and for people to get a week notice on this I think we could step that up next time and and do a little better job on that and as far as something this big that is going to impact so many families in this neighborhood last time in April there was only three Commissioners here not seven right that's less than 50 percent of your Planning Commission that was here and voted to pass that building I think it's a pretty big deal that something that's this important and the amount of people that were here not as many people tonight but this place was almost packed last time and to have only three planning Commissioners here at I didn't sit well with a lot of people okay can I address that Ryan actually as you see there's seven now there's actually five voting Commissioners okay and we've added two alternates so if we don't just from that situation we've addressed that okay I didn't know I just saw your website and it said seven yeah so yeah so it's actually five voting members and two Alternatives another question I had and I don't know if the city has done a study on this at all but um what is this going to do to our property values of our houses right we built that was the last one to build in The Enclave in 2015 and every year our house values have gone up so my concern is now with these two massive apartment buildings what is that going to do to our property value at the end of the day if I want to sell my house do I have to be worried that it's not going to be worth what it is now because people don't want to look at these apartment buildings anybody do we have a study or can anybody speak on that address that I think we uh to address that comment um as I said before previously and you've seen some of the concept plans the 2005 plan for Jeffers Pond has always designated this area for high density residential and Commercial uses ever since 2005 before any house anything was built into Jeffers Pond the streets the networks everything in this area has been designated for these types of uses to go in and so they're I guess what I'm getting at is this has been more than two nearly two decades in the making from a development aspect standpoint Market values and property values fluctuate they go up and down the uh I we whether we put a commercial use in here whether we put a high density use in here whether we put a low density use in here there you're going to have fluctuations in market value but it's not necessarily going to be just because of the types of users that go in there it can be because of just the aspects of where the market and where the economy is on any given moment and stuff yeah it was just a concern of many of our neighbors that just had that concern so I just wanted to ask um another thing that was uh brought up last time that we really didn't get any answers on was uh the traffic situation here you're going to have these two massive buildings here and you're only going to have three exits to get out of it you can either go on Jeffers Parkway take a right to go east on 42 or you come down Fountain Hills and you can take a left across two lanes of traffic to go north or take a right to go towards the lake okay now what people are going to find out with these buildings in that roundabout is now they have another option they can go down Jeffers Parkway hit a right on McKenna and go down there and there's a stoplight there so I know you guys had quoted a study last time from 2015 that you said those two two-lane roads could handle eighteen thousand cars a day eighteen thousand cars in that residential neighborhood which I thought was outrageous but if that's the survey you guys came up with then I guess we have to live with it but I it's a it's a very big concern the traffic that's going to get high or get blown through there right we have when you take a uh left or right onto Enclave we have a sign about this big that says no Outlet right so as people go down our road that don't live there speed down there hit around the cul-de-sac and speed back out of there it's it's kind of a concern for all the neighbors right we have I think 32 houses on our street and I would say two-thirds have kids that are in high school or younger right we have four or five buses that come by there every single day twice a day right and then now you were talking about last meeting that they can uh the the room on the east side of that little explorers is enough to put a Trader Joe's size type building and some other commercial store frontages in there too and to not be able to have any type of light or anything from Fountain Hills on to 21. I mean you're looking at 12 and a half Cars a minute going through there if we break it down considered compared to your study that you guys had so that's just it's just a big concern in the Neighbors in the neighborhood too um start times for these commercial projects when they built that little explorers what is the city's official word on start times for commercial jobs seven o'clock eight o'clock what is the start time Nick do you want to take that one you overseas yeah chair team and I can take that question um our construction hours are Monday through Friday 7 A.M to 7 P.M okay and then Saturday eight to five okay is there somebody that regulates that if if uh you know people are starting earlier or hurt or who takes that on um if they are starting earlier you'll need to call the police okay yep okay or running later I just know that uh the little explorers uh those people would drop off heavy equipment bang and our dump trucks you know six six thirty in the morning you know everybody's got kids and dogs and everything and you know to not abide by the rules I mean I don't want to call the cops on anybody everybody's got to make a living but I mean if they're not going to abide by it then then obviously we don't have a choice right and then see here I just wanted to make one more comment um on the meeting that was here last time we had both neighborhoods from our neighborhood across the pond and and people on Jefferson Parkway that were that were here and one of your Commissioners had made the comment that no matter what the outcome I was voting for yes on both projects now I kind of found that to be kind of a slap in the face to everybody that had taken their time out of their night you know just take time away from their families to come here and then have that happen so what are we doing if that's the case and you're going to have a an answer before anybody gets up here and has a chance to talk then why about her coming right so I just that rubbed me the wrong way it rubbed a lot of people the wrong way that that happened because they took their time out of their night to come here and voice their opinions and their concerns and a lot of the questions that we had never got answered so I appreciate your time thank you thank you Ryan would anyone else like to address the commission I'll ask one more time any other anyone else to address the commission okay with that I will take a motion in second tonight close tonight's public hearing so move second ring stead and cheddar all those in favor say aye aye aye tonight's public hearing is closed uh we'll go to commissioner comments I'll just start with commissioner fence democker I guess I just uh see some of the the concerns put out there and then what the previous uh review had and I see this is a good good uh solution for all the changes that were suggested and it's meeting the residential versus commercial all the guidelines that has been put forward so I guess I and then favor of it commissioner Tennyson I would just say I'd appreciate the uh the mix of commercial and residential in the space and and alignment with the you know the previous plan commissioner Johnson uh just a couple comments I I think the building's attractive I think the uh the mix of of materials and uh facades although it doesn't meet the standards set forth I think it meets the intent um and I think the height requirement also adds uh to the look of the building which I think is acceptable with the overall average still staying under I also am a proponent for commercial in that space so uh them adding kind of a pad ready commercial uh along 42 I think definitely makes a project more attractive I hope that there is plenty of uh you know or adequate vehicle access through that one spot to get back into that commercial and that's not a concern down the road um but I think it looks like a good project I I do think uh hopefully the next time we we meet on a PUD for Jeffers Pond it is for commercial and not just all of the residential pieces that I feel like you've got uh you know started with 270 000 square feet of commercial and reel it back to 87 000 square feet although only 15 000 square feet has been built is a little concerning I mean the Market's going to demand what it's going to demand but I feel like we've been on a path that's been very heavy residential so to get that piece wrapped up and then start to focus on Commercial I think would be good um I would also like to thank the gentleman for speaking um I I for one I'll speak for myself I think that the community involvement in these types of projects is huge I think people that live in uh or around or just even in our community should come to these meetings and speak up and voice their concerns and be heard I was not at the last meeting but I know that my fellow Commissioners do take comments to Heart and we take that into our consideration uh so thank you for speaking that's all I got thank you commissioner Johnson commissioner ringstead I think uh piggyback off of commissioner Johnson's comment or question with regard to the commercial remaining space I believe the city council earlier this year uh issued some relatively firm statements that they also expect that the remaining square footage be commercial and as I mentioned earlier that this it appears we'll close out the residential portion of Jeffers [Music] I agree with the the intent of the architectural guidelines are being met with this this is a plan that is different and improved from what we saw earlier this spring and thank the applicant for for that and as such I'll be uh supporting it tonight yeah I also support this development I think it's a nice addition and a needed addition in our community actually and I appreciate their efforts to really address the comments and the thoughts from the last meeting so that commissioner cheddar yeah I also um I think we've come a long way from where we were in April and I appreciate the applicants efforts to address the concerns that were raised and listen to the feedback I also appreciate the um kind of I think awareness to the bigger picture that you've demonstrated in your presentation it looks like a quality product with a well-defined vision throughout the commercial fits into it and I appreciate the pad ready message in the Pud uh so I I'm very much in favor of the project as to the gentleman that approached the commission I think um you know this is the second go at this based off of the feedback and I think the um the comments around the mail delivery in the City of Prior Lake isn't something that we can affect um but I have confidence that in the city staff's ability to put things in the mail our ability to get them in a timely manner is a different manner so um I'm glad that we're engaged in participating in this process but I support this project thank you commissioner Colbert well we've been around and around on this we end up now with a single building rather than two apartment buildings and brought in some needed commercial space the concern about the access off of the roundabout shouldn't be a problem because it's a standard four-way roundabout whether that was a street or an entrance to a parking lot it still is going to work the same way I think the building would be an attractive addition to the area it does screen the commercial area from the residential single family and townhouse areas to the South so I think it's good use of the property thank you well with that I will take a motion in a second recommending approval of the major Amendment to the Jeffers Pond PUD subject to the listed conditions so I moved second we got a motion in second shutter and Johnson all those in favor say aye aye aye motion passes thank you all I see no old business or new business any announcements uh the only announcement for you tonight uh obviously is we are in our winter months you don't have any scheduled Planning Commission meetings uh in the fourth week of the month and so your next regularly scheduled Planning Commission meeting is on January 9th I believe we do have public two public hearings we'll probably likely have scheduled for that evening so do plan on January 9th for your next meeting that's it great thank you with that I will take a motion and a second to close tonight's meeting so moved second got motion second cheddar and Calbert all those in favor say aye aye aye tonight's meeting is adjourned thank you