MEETING EVERYONE AND WELCOME. I WILL CALL THIS BLOOMINGTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER TONIGHT IS MONDAY, MAY 19TH, 2025. WELCOME TO EVERYONE WHO'S JOINED US HERE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS. WELCOME TO EVERYONE WHO IS WATCHING ONLINE. WE WILL START AS WE ALWAYS DO IF YOU ARE ABLE PLEASE STAND REMOVE ANY COVERING AND PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL . ONCE AGAIN, THANKS TO EVERYBODY FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING. FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS TONIGHT COUNCIL IS THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA AND UNDER OUR INTRODUCTORY ITEMS NUMBER TWO WE WILL WE HAVE ONE NEW EMPLOYEE INTRODUCTION THAT'S FROM IN OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. I BELIEVE. AND THEN ITEM 2.2 IS INTRODUCTION OF NEW FIREFIGHTERS AND WE'VE GOT SIX NEW FIREFIGHTERS HERE TO INTRODUCE THIS EVENING AND LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. 1717 I HAD IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME AND I DOUBT IT JUST MADE SOMEBODY REALLY NERVOUS. >> OH AND THEN WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION FOR PUBLIC WORKS WEEK AND I HOPE I HOPE EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO JOIN US AT THE PUBLIC WORKS OPEN HOUSE BECAUSE IT WAS A FANTASTIC TIME ON SATURDAY OUR CONSENT BUSINESS IS 16 ITEMS LONG. COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS HAS OUR CONSENT BUSINESS THIS EVENING UNDER HEARINGS, RESOLUTIONS AND ORDINANCES. WE HAVE THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT ITEM OR EXCUSE ME WE HAVE THREE ON THE CALENDAR AND WE'LL BE HAVING TWO ITEM 4.1 IS A PUBLIC HEARING THAT'S AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 20 OF THE CITY CODE AND THE FEE SCHEDULE APPENDIX A ITEM 4.2 WAS SCHEDULED AND IT MADE IT ONTO THE CALENDAR BUT IT WAS A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING OUR FRANCHISE FEES AND THAT HAS BEEN CANCELED FOR THIS EVENING COUNCIL SO WE'RE TAKING THAT OFF OF THE OFF OF THE AGENDA. WE'VE GOT MORE WORK TO DO ON THAT BOTTOM LINE AND BUT JUST TO LET YOU KNOW BECAUSE I KNOW IT WAS ON THE IT WAS ON THE AGENDA AND IT WAS PUBLISHED BUT WE HAVE WE HAVE CANCELED ITEM 4.2 OF THIS EVENING AND ITEM 4.3 TONIGHT IS OUR THIRD AND FINAL PUBLIC HEARING WAS THE PHASE ONE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING ORDINANCE DISCUSSION. WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR ORGANIZATIONAL BUSINESS ITEM 5.1 OUR DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SIDEWALK SNOWPLOW REDUCTION PROPOSAL THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON HERE AS A CITY AND WE'LL WRAP UP AS WE ALWAYS DO. ITEM 5.2 IS OUR CITY COUNCIL POLICY AND ISSUE UPDATE COUNCIL ANY CORRECTIONS OR ADDITIONS FOR TONIGHT'S AGENDA ? HEARING NONE. I WILL MOVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA AS STATED SECOND MOTION ON A COUNCILMEMBER A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER TO ACCEPT TONIGHT'S AGENDA AS STATED NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO WE HAVE AN AGENDA AND IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO POINT OUT COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO IS NOT WITH US THIS EVENING SO WE HAVE A60 VOTE THERE. FIRST ITEM ITEM 2.1 AN INTRODUCTION OF OUR NEW EMPLOYEE BRIAN RIEDL IS HERE. GOOD EVENING, SIR AND WELCOME. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. TONIGHT I'M HERE TO INTRODUCE RINA WEISS TO YOU. RINA IS OUR NEW WATER RESOURCES ENGINEER AND PUBLIC WORKS ENGINEERING. SHE COMES TO US WITH OVER TEN YEARS OF WATER RESOURCE EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH WATERSHED COMPLIANCE, FLOOD PLANNING AND OTHER STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. SO IN ARENA'S ROLE SHE'LL BE HELPING LEAD EXCUSE ME HELPING LEAD THE THE PLANNING AND MAINTENANCE OF STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL AS HELPING US MEET OUR REGULATORY SUSTAINABILITY AND OTHER STORMWATER MANAGEMENT GOALS. >> RINA GOOD EVENING. WELCOME. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. MY ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS JOURNEY ACTUALLY STARTED TEN YEARS AGO WHEN I INTERNED WITH BLOOMINGTON'S WATER RESOURCES ENGINEERING TEAM AND TEN YEARS LATER I AM REALLY EXCITED TO HAVE JOINED THE TEAM FULL TIME AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SERVING THE COMMUNITY HERE IN BLOOMINGTON THROUGH OUR WORK WITH INFRASTRUCTURE WATER QUALITY AND RESILIENCY. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. WELL THANK YOU. AND HOW COOL IS THAT AFTER AN INTERNSHIP AND THEN A DECADE AND THEN YOU'RE BACK AGAIN. SO WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE YOU. SO WELCOME ABOARD AND HAVE YOU COUNCIL ITEM 2.2 ON OUR AGENDA IS THE INTRODUCTION OF I DON'T KNOW A DOZEN 20 SOME THE FIREFIGHTERS I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY 17 NEW FIREFIGHTERS THEIR CHIEF ULI SEAL IS HERE TO KICK US OFF AND DO THE INTRODUCTIONS. GOOD EVENING, CHIEF. WELCOME, MR. MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE COUNCIL FOR THE SUPPORT THAT WE'VE HAD IN THIS REALLY MONUMENTAL CHANGE THAT WE'VE BEEN MAKING IN OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT AND OUR FIRE SERVICE RESPONSE. AND I WANT TO ASSURE YOU THAT IT'S IT'S WORKING. SATURDAY THEY HAD A WORKING FIRE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM FIRE STATION FOUR AND SO WE HAD A VERY QUICK RESPONSE ALTHOUGH IT WAS A SIGNIFICANT FIRE. I'D ALSO BE REMISS IN NOT MENTIONING OR THANKING MY COMMAND STAFF SPECIFICALLY I WANT TO CALL OUT CHIEF KAISER WHO HAS BEEN IN CHARGE OF THIS ACADEMY FOR THESE AND TRAINING OF THESE FIREFIGHTERS. >> GIVE THEM A WAVE. LET HIM KNOW WHO YOU ARE. THERE YOU GO. AND THE WHOLE COMMAND STAFF HAS PARTICIPATED IN THAT. BUT HE'S BEEN REALLY INSTRUMENTAL IN THE TRAINING. SO THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH SEVEN WEEKS. THIS IS THEIR EIGHTH WEEK. THEY'RE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO FRIDAY BECAUSE THAT WILL BE THEIR LAST DAY OF TRAINING AND THEY'LL START ON SHIFT THE FOLLOWING WEEK AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU AS MUCH BIOGRAPHICAL INFORMATION AS YOU PROBABLY GET BECAUSE THERE ARE 17 OF THEM AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO REMEMBER ANYWAY. BUT YOU CAN FOLLOW ALONG. WE DID SORT OF SEE THEM IN THE SAME ORDER THAT THEY'RE LISTED SO YOU CAN FOLLOW ALONG IN THE LIST IF YOU LIKE AND AT THE CONCLUSION WILL WILL GET OUT OF YOURAIR. SO WITH THAT . GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS AUSTIN BELL. I'M A FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC. I PREVIOUSLY CAME FROM WOODBURY FIRE DEPARTMENT. I'M SUPER EXCITED AND VERY GRATEFUL TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY. WELCOME ABOARD. GOOD EVENING. I'M FARLEY BIRK. I'M A FIREFIGHTER EMT ORIGINALLY FROM HALSWELL, MISSOURI. SO I MOVED UP HERE IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR. AND I'M JUST VERY HAPPY TO BE HERE. THANK YOU. WELCOME. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS SAM BUTTERFIELD. I'M A FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC. I'VE BEEN WITH THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON FOR 17 YEARS PART TIME AND COMING FROM BURNSVILLE REISER FOR EIGHT YEARS. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. AND I COMING FROM WORKING AT SAINT PAUL. VERY EXCITED TO BE HERE. LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. EXCITED TO HAVE YOU. WELCOME. GOOD EVENING. TRAVIS HELSTON COME FROM RICE LAKE WISCONSIN. I'M A FIREFIGHTER EMT. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. THANKS FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS CAMERON HUNTINGTON . I'M A FIREFIGHTER EMT AND I'M PREVIOUSLY COMING FROM THE CITY OF EAGAN. HAPPY TO BE HERE. WELCOME . EVENING COUNCIL. I'M MICHAEL JABS A FIREFIGHTER EMT COMING FROM THE CITY OF PRAIRIE LAKE. APPRECIATE YOUR GUYS SUPPORT. THANK YOU. WELCOME ABOARD. CITY COMMUTER. GOOD EVENING OLYMPIC JONAS. I HAVE LIVED IN BLOOMINGTON FOR ABOUT EIGHT YEARS ABOUT THE PART TIME SIDE FOR SIX. I LEFT A 14 YEAR CAREER IN I.T.. AND I'M INCREDIBLY GRATEFUL FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU FOR TALKING. AND REALLY, NICK JONAS, YOU'RE NOT NOTHING YOU WON'T FORGET IT? NO. OKAY. THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST GUYS COMES FROM I.T., RIGHT? HMM. MM HMM. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS PAUL LUTTON. I LIVED IN BLOOMINGTON OVER 20 YEARS, SERVED IN THE PART TIME SIDE FOR 17 PREVIOUSLY. FULL TIME JOB WAS CONSTRUCTION. I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY AND THANK YOU. WELCOME. I'M LUKE MILLER. I'VE LIVED IN BLOOMINGTON 15 YEARS. I'VE BEEN ON THE PART TIME FOR 13 YEARS AND COMING AS A FIRE MEDIC FROM BURNSVILLE FOR 11 YEARS. WELCOME ABOARD . HI, I'M SARAH RENDER IN I'M A FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC COMING FROM THE CITY OF OKLA. WELCOME. HELLO. I'M WILLIAM SEIBEL. I'M A FIREFIGHTER EMT AND I'M COMING FROM ST JOSEPH, MISSOURI. THANKS FOR HAVING ME. GLAD YOU'RE HERE. HELLO. I'M BLAKE AND COMING IN FROM BURNSVILLE. I'M A FIREFIGHTER MEDIC AND I'M VERY THANKFUL FOR THE JOB. THANKS FOR BEING HERE, BLAKE . GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. MY NAME IS RYAN SNYDER. I WAS PREVIOUSLY A FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC FOR THE CITY OF WHITE BEAR LAKE. AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO CONTINUING MY SERVICE FOR THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. GLAD TO HAVE YOU ON BOARD . HI, I'M VERONICA ROSINA. I'M FIREFIGHTER EMT AND I'M ORIGINALLY FROM CITY MINNETONKA. HAPPY TO BE HERE. WELCOME . HI. MY NAME IS JOSH ALDRIN. I'VE LIVED IN CITY OF BLOOMINGTON FOR 18 YEARS, A FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU . GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS VALEN WATSON. I'VE LIVED IN BLOOMINGTON FOR FOUR YEARS. I'M A FIREFIGHTER EMT. I'VE SERVED ON THE PART TIME SIDE FOR ABOUT THREE AND A HALF YEARS. I'M SUPER GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. MAYOR COUNCIL. I'M REALLY HAPPY TO PRESENT THIS CLASS TO YOU AND THEY'LL BE THEY'LL BE ON TRUCKS NEXT WEEK. SO THEY'VE MADE IT THIS FAR. THEY'VE GOT ANOTHER THREE DAYS LEFT ON THEM I THINK. DON'T YOU? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, CHIEF. AND I WANT TO EXTEND THE THANKS TO YOU AND TO THE COMMAND STAFF FOR UNDERTAKING THIS THIS ENORMOUS TASK TO BUILD A FULL TIME FIRE DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. AND YOU'VE DONE GREAT WORK AT IT AND YOU THANKED US. BUT WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS BE THANKING THE RESIDENTS OF BLOOMINGTON FOR TAKING THIS ON AND WE BROUGHT THIS FORWARD AND I THINK TO A PERSON WE HAVE HEARD SUPPORT AND ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF THE NEED OF OF A FULL TIME FIRE DEPARTMENT AND I'M MORE OFTEN THAN NOT A PUSHING TO MAKE IT HAPPEN FASTER GET IT DONE. SO VERY GLAD THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT TO OUR NEW FIREFIGHTERS. FIRST OF ALL, EVERYBODY LOVES FIREFIGHTERS. LET'S FACE IT. I MEAN EVERYBODY LOVES A FIREFIGHTER. I TELL THIS TO ALL OF OUR NEW EMPLOYEES THAT IN SO MANY WAYS YOU ARE THE FACE OF BLOOMINGTON. THEY REALLY DON'T CARE WHO I AM OR THE COUNCIL IS OR THE FOLKS THEY CARE ABOUT, THE PEOPLE THAT THEY INTERACT WITH RESIDENTS CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT THEY INTERACT WITH EVERY DAY. AND THAT FALLS ON YOU. AND THAT FALLS ON YOU AS WELL. RENA, WHERE ARE YOU OUT THERE. YOU AS WELL THE CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT THEY INTERACT WITH AND YOU ARE TRUE REPRESENTATIVES OF THIS COMMUNITY AND THE WAY PEOPLE SEE YOU IS THE WAY THEY SEE THE CITY. SO IT'S A BIG RESPONSIBILITY BUT IT'S ALSO AN EXPECTATION THAT I KNOW YOU ALL MEET BECAUSE I MEAN YOU'RE FIREFIGHTERS FOR THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON, RIGHT? SO YOU'LL MEET THAT. SO AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU ALL. WELCOME. THANK YOU ALL OF OUR FIREFIGHTERS. THANK YOU TO OUR EMT IN THE BACK THERE AS WELL. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. GREATLY APPRECIATE IT. LET'S GIVE EM A ROUND OF APPLAUSE AND WELCOME. THEY SHOULD BE AS YOU CAN SEE JUST NEXT UP ON OUR AGENDA COUNCIL IS ITEM 2.3. IT'S A PROCLAMATION FOR PUBLIC WORKS WEEK AND I'M GOING TO HEAD DOWN TO THE PODIUM AS WE SAY GOODBYE TO OUR FIREFIGHTERS THIS EVENING . WE'VE GOT A PROCLAMATION HERE FROM PUBLIC WORKS WEEK AND I SEE MY FOLKS COMING UP HERE. WE'VE GOT JOINING ME TONIGHT JACK EDGAR ANDERSON AND BRANDON PALMER FOR UTILITIES AND RENA FROM ENGINEERING AND MARCUS HILLIARD FROM MAINTENANCE JOINING ME UP HERE TONIGHT AS I GET THE PROCLAMATION YOU HEARD ME SAY IT EARLIER THE THE PUBLIC WORKS OPEN HOUSE WAS THIS WK AND IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO GET THERE I CERTAINLY HOPE YOU DID BECAUSE IT WAS FANTASTIC. ONCE AGAIN, IT'S A GREAT WAY TO SHOW RESIDENTS THE WORK THAT WE DO HERE IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON, THE WORK THAT OUR LARGEST DEPARTMENT I THINK PUBLIC WORKS IS THE LARGEST APARTMENT, ISN'T IT? I BELIEVE SO FOR NUMBERS I THINK IT IS IT'S IT'S AN ENORMOUS DEPARTMENT DOING INCREDIBLE WORK, IMPORTANT WORK AND AS MUCH AS I TALK TO OUR NEW HIRES AND YOU KNOW, HAVE FUN WITH THE FIREFIGHTERS ABOUT THEM BEING THE FACE OF BLOOMINGTON IN SO MANY WAYS OUR PUBLIC WORKS FOLKS ARE THE FACE OF BLOOMINGTON WHETHER YOU'RE OUT PLOWING OR MOWING OR OR ANY OF THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING WORKING IN THE STREETS PEOPLE SEE YOU WHEN THEY THINK THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. SO YOU PLAY A VERY IMPORTANT ROLE AND IT'S GREATLY APPRECIATED FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU DO AND I'M GOING TO READ THIS PROCLAMATION AND THEN I DON'T KNOW WHICH OF YOU DREW THE SHORT STRAW AND GETS TO SPEAK OF BUT IF NOTHING ELSE WE'LL JUST TAKE A PICTURE AS WELL. SO WHAT DID YOU SEE THE PANIC IN THEIR EYES WHEN I SAID THIS A PROCLAMATION FOR PUBLIC WORKS WEEK MAY 18TH THROUGH THE 24TH 2025 WHEREAS PUBLIC WORKS SERVICES PROVIDED IN OUR COMMUNITY ARE AN INTEGRAL PART OF OUR RESIDENTS EVERYDAY LIVES. AND. WHEREAS, THE SUPPORTIVE AND UNDERSTANDING AND INFORMED CITIZENRY IS VITAL TO THE EFFICIENT OPERATION OF A PUBLIC WORKS SYSTEM AND PROGRAMS SUCH AS WATER, SEWERS ,STREETS AND HIGHWAYS, PARK MAINTENANCE, PUBLIC BUILDINGS, SOLID WASTE COLLECTION AND SNOW REMOVAL. AND. WHEREAS THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND COMFORT OF THIS COMMUNITY GREATLY DEPENDS ON THESE FACILITIES AND SERVICES AND. WHEREAS, THE QUALITY AND EFFECTIVENESS OF THESE FACILITIES AS WELL AS THEIR PLANNING DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION IS VITALLY DEPENDENT UPON THE EFFORTS AND SKILL OF PUBLIC WORKS OFFICIALS. AND. WHEREAS, THE EFFICIENCY OF THE QUALIFIED AND DEDICATED PERSONNEL WHO STAFF PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENTS IS MATERIALLY INFLUENCED BY THE PEOPLE'S ATTITUDE AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE IMPORTANCE OF THE WORK THAT THEY PERFORM NOW THEREFORE I, MAYOR TIM BUSSEY DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE WEEK OF MAY 18TH THROUGH THE 24TH 2025 AS PUBLIC WORKS WEEK IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON AND I CALL UPON ALL RESIDENTS AND CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS TO ACQUAINT THEMSELVES WITH THE ISSUES INVOLVED IN PROVIDING OUR PUBLIC WORKS AND TO RECOGNIZE THE CONTRIBUTIONS WHICH PUBLIC WORKS OFFICIALS MAKE EVERY DAY TO OUR HEALTH, SAFETY, COMFORT AND QUALITY OF LIFE DATA THIS 19TH DAY OF MAY 2025 AND THAT LAST THEREFORE CALLING UPON THE RESIDENTS AND THE CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS TO DO ALL THESE THINGS. BASICALLY WHAT I'M CALLING ON RESIDENTS AND OUR CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS TO DO IS TO THANK THE PEOPLE WHO DO THE INCREDIBLE WORK THAT THEY DO EVERY DAY TO MAKE BLOOMINGTON THE GREAT PLACE THAT IT IS FROM A PUBLIC WORKS PERSPECTIVE. SO WHO GETS TO SPEAK NOW? WHO'S GOING TO JUMP IN ON PLANNING? NO, GO AHEAD. >> THIS WAS NOT PLANNED BUT I'VE REALLY ENJOYED BEING INVOLVED IN PUBLIC WORKS SEEING THE GREAT WORK THAT GOES ON EVERY SINGLE DAY TO MAKE NORMAL HAPPEN. THAT'S ONE OF MY FAVORITE PHRASES IS THAT PUBLIC WORKS MAKES NORMAL HAPPEN. NO ONE REALLY NOTICES IT UNLESS SOMETHING'S GOING WRONG AND THAT GOES FOR THE FIELD OF CIVIL ENGINEERING AS WELL. SO THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO IS OUT THERE EVERY SINGLE DAY SERVING THE COMMUNITY OF BLOOMINGTON VERY WELL SAID. THANK YOU SO WHO'S GOING TO COME ON? WE'RE GOING TO GET A COUPLE OTHER FOLKS UP HERE AS WELL . IT'S NOT I THINK THIS SEASON. ALL RIGHT. GIVE US TIME. YEAH. AND YOU GET THE UPPER HAND. TWO THREE. ONE, TWO, THREE. ONE TWO THREE. GOT IT . IT'S YOUR RADIO. IT'S IN HERE. THEY WANT AND IT'S NEXT ON THE AGENDA COUNCIL IS OUR CONSENT BUSINESS ITEM THREE COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS HAS THE CONSENT BECAUSE THIS EVENING COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS. SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ALL NO I MOVED ITEMS 3.1 TO 3.16 TARGET MOST OF MY COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER NELSON TO ACCEPT THE CONSENT BUSINESS AS STATED ITEMS 3.13 3.16 NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER REGRETS APPRECIATE IT. WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM FOUR ARE HEARINGS, RESOLUTIONS AND ORDINANCES. OUR FIRST HEARING TONIGHT IS A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM 4.1 IT'S AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 20 OF THE CITY CODE AND FEE SCHEDULE. APPENDIX A OUR CFO LAURIE ECONOMY SHOULDER IS GOING TO LEAD US THROUGH THIS. GOOD EVENING MISS ECONOMY SHOULDER WELCOME. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL IN 2020 AT THE END OF 2020 APPENDIX A WAS ESTABLISHED AND DURING 2021 AND THROUGH AUGUST OF 2022 LEGAL WORKED WITH INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS DEPENDING ON WHAT AREA THE CODE BELONGED TO THAT DEPARTMENT TO MOVE ALL THE FEES THAT WERE LOCATED WITHIN THE CODE TO APPENDIX A AT THAT TIME THIS PARTICULAR ONE NOT MOVED AND AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH AND LOOKING AT THE FRANCHISE FEES FOR A POSSIBLE INCREASE SOMETIME THIS YEAR OR NEXT YEAR WE NOTICED THAT THIS ONE NEEDED TO BE MOVED TO. SO BEFORE YOU IT'S CAPTURING ALL OF THE PIECES THAT ARE IN THE CODE RIGHT NOW WRITTEN WITH NUMBERS AND WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THEM TO APPENDIX A IF YOU APPROVE SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. COUNCIL ANY QUESTIONS OF MISS ECONOMY SCHOLER ABOUT THIS COUNCILMEMBER NELSON YEAH I THINK I'M CLEAR ON THIS BUT JUST FOR THE PUBLIC THIS DOESN'T CHANGE THE FEES IT'S JUST MOVES THE CHANGE MAY OR MAY NOT COME LATER. MAYOR AND COUNCILMEMBER NELSON THAT IS CORRECT. ALL THE ALL THE NUMBERS ARE EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE TODAY. SO NO FEE INCREASE JUST MAKING MOVING IT INTO APPENDIX EIGHT WHERE WE CAN THEN FIND IT MORE EASILY. >> YES. AND BE MORE TRANSPARENT TO ANY OF THE RESIDENTS THAT ALL OF OUR FEES ARE NOW AND THAT WE'RE IN THE CODE ARE NOW IN APPENDIX C VERY GOOD COUNSEL. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU MR. ECONOMY SHOULDER COUNCIL THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 4.1 A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 20 OF THE CITY CODE AND FEE SCHEDULE. APPENDIX A SO ANYONE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TEN AND 4.1 THIS EVENING . >> CAITLIN DO WE HAVE ANYONE ON THE PHONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO ITEM 4.1 MAYOR THERE IS NO AN ONLINE LAST CALL FOR ANYBODY IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS COUNCIL NO ONE COMING FORWARD IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS, NO ONE ON LINE WISHING TO SPEAK TO DOWN IN 4.1 I LOOK FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING IN ITEM 4.1 TONIGHT SO MOVED SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 4.1 NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I. I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING COUNCIL COMMENTS QUESTIONS THOUGHTS ON ITEM 4.1 OR ACTION ON ITEM 4.1 COUNCILMEMBER THEME VERY HAPPY TO DO THAT I MOVED TO AMEND CHAPTER 20 OF THE CITY CODE AND SCHEDULE FEE SCHEDULE APPENDIX A CERTAIN MOST OF MY COUNCILMEMBER SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 20 OF THE CITY CODE AND FEE SCHEDULE APPENDIX A NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO COUNCILMEMBER THANK YOU MAYOR AND MOVED TO ADOPT RESOLUTION DIRECTING SOME REPUBLICATION OF THE ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 20 OF THE CITY CODE AND FEE SCHEDULE APPENDIX A SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN FOR SUMMARY PUBLICATION AN ITEM 4.1 NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO. AS I MENTIONED WHEN WE ADOPTED TONIGHT'S ORDINANCE WE HAVE CANCELED THE PUBLIC HEARING IN ITEM 4.2 TONIGHT SO WE WILL BE DOING THAT AT A FUTURE DATE. BUT THERE WILL NOT BE A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING THE CENTERPOINT ENERGY AND XCEL ENERGY FRANCHISE FEES. SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE 4.3 AND OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS THIS REGARDING THE PHASE ONE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING ORDINANCE. MR. NICK JOHNSON FROM OUR PLANNING STAFF IS HERE. GOOD EVENING MR. JOHNSON AND WELCOME. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND MEMBERS. I'M SORRY IS THERE A CLICKER AVAILABLE? POP THANK YOU FOR. GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL. WE'VE HAD A FEW OF THESE DISCUSSIONS SO THANKS FOR WELCOMING ME BACK. SO JUST A BRIEF AGENDA OF THE THINGS THAT I WILL TALK ABOUT. I KNOW WE'VE GONE INTO DEPTH ON SOME OF THESE ITEMS SO THE APPROACH I PLAN TO TAKE IS PROBABLY MORE SIMILAR TO MISCELLANEOUS ISSUES ORDINANCE . I'LL PROVIDE YOU KIND OF A SUMMARY OF SOME OF THESE CHANGES IF YOU WANT TO GO IN DEPTH ON ANY OF THEM I HAVE EXTRA SLIDES THAT I CAN PULL UP THAT I'LL PULL UP THE SPECIFIC CHANGES ON INDIVIDUAL ISSUES SO TO PROVIDE YOU BACKGROUND ON THIS AGAIN SO THE MISSING MENTAL HOUSING STUDY HAS BEEN A PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN ON MULTIPLE YEARS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WORK PLAN. WE'VE WE'VE HAD A FEW STARTS AND STOPS PENDING POTENTIAL STATE LEGISLATION, OTHER PAUSES. BUT FUNDAMENTALLY WHAT THIS PROJECT IS REALLY ABOUT IS REDUCING BARRIERS TO INFILL HOUSING IN BLOOMINGTON, TRYING TO CREATE MORE LOW AND MEDIUM DENSITY HOUSING TYPES THEY FILL A PRETTY VALUABLE PORTION OF BLOOMINGTON'S HOUSING STOCK THEY OFFER MORE VARIETY. THEY FILL A GOOD NEED FOR SENIORS AND OTHER GROUPS IN BLOOMINGTON. SO THERE'S A LITTLE VARIETY OF WHY THERE'S A VARIETY OF REASONS WHY TO SUPPORT THESE HOUSING TYPES IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT AND WE'VE GOTTEN OVER A LOT OF THAT IN OUR STUDY SESSIONS JUST TO GIVE YOU A SNAPSHOT OF THE PROCESS THAT WE PURSUED THUS FAR, THE MOST RECENT ROUND OF STUDY SESSIONS TOOK PLACE IN THE FALL AND WINTER OF 24 SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN NOVEMBER AND THE HRA BOARD AND THEN WE WERE MOST RECENTLY IN FRONT OF YOU IN DECEMBER OF 2024 AS PART OF THAT STUDY SESSION DISCUSSION AND WE WENT INTO MORE DEPTH ON SOME CHANGES THAT WE WERE PROPOSING TO OUR EXISTING USE TYPES AND OUR ZONING CODE MORE SPECIFICALLY ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS TO FAMILY DWELLINGS AND WE'RE GOING TO ADD IN SOME TOWNHOUSE STANDARDS THAT WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO LOOK AT THIS EVENING AS WELL. SO THE PURPOSE OF THOSE STUDY SESSIONS WAS TO BUILD CONSENSUS AND SUPPORT AROUND SOME OF THESE CHANGES. ALL I'LL MENTION AGAIN THAT WE STILL HAVE STATE LEGISLATION THAT WAS BEING CONSIDERED I DON'T KNOW THE STATUS OF IT AS I SPEAK RIGHT NEAR AND I SHOULD HAVE LOOKED INTO THAT ALTHOUGH IT'S A VERY DYNAMIC SITUATION DOWN THERE IN ST PAUL SO THAT'S ALWAYS KIND OF LINGERING ON THE BACK END OF THIS PROJECT. THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID REVIEW THIS ORDINANCE IN APRIL APRIL 10TH AND THEY DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ORDINANCE. SO JUST TO POINT OUT ONE THING ABOUT THIS PROJECT IS THAT WE HAVE EFFECTIVELY BROKEN THE PROJECT INTO TWO PHASES. THE FIRST PHASE IS WHAT'S BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING AND IT'S TAKING A LOOK AT AGAIN REFINING STANDARDS THAT APPLY TO SOME OF OUR EXISTING USES AND OUR EXISTING CODE. THE SECOND PHASE OF THE PROJECT LIKELY TO BE MORE INTENSIVE INVOLVES ADDING NEW USE TYPES TO THE BLOOMINGTON ZONING CODE TRIPLEXES FOURPLEX THOSE MULTIPLEXES CLUSTER HOUSING AND THAT WORK IS BEING LED BY DAKOTA CAST BODY IN THE PLANNING DIVISION. SO THE GENERAL PLAN THERE IS TO BRING BACK TO YOU IN THE FORM OF A STUDY SESSION SOMETIME LATER THIS SUMMER OR EARLY FALL SOME OF THESE NEW STANDARDS THAT WE WOULD PROPOSE TO YOU IN CONCEPT BEFORE GOING BEFORE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND LOOKING DOWN THAT PATH. THE OTHER POINT I WOULD REITERATE ABOUT THE PHASE ONE PIECE IS WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS BACK IN DECEMBER, ONE OF THE REASONS WE BROKE IT INTO TWO PIECES WITH SOME OF THIS LOWER HANGING FRUIT IN THE FIRST PHASE IS THAT WE WANTED TO TRYING TO GET SOME OF THESE CHANGES DEPLOYED INTO THE 2025 CONSTRUCTION SEASON AND SO THAT'S OUR INTENT IN BRINGING THIS BEFORE YOU. SO YEAH I'LL I'LL GO OVER THE ORDINANCE ITSELF NOW AND I'LL GROUP IT BY CHANGES TO PARTICULAR USE OR REFERS TO A YOU STANDARDS THAN TO FAMILY DWELLING STANDARDS AND THEN TOWNHOUSES. SO THE STANDARDS BEING PROPOSED TO CHANGE IN THE 80 YOU THE 80 ORDINANCE OF THE 82 STANDARDS OF OUR CODE THE FIRST ONE IS JUST MERELY A CLEAN UP ITEM KIND OF AKIN TO WHAT WE DO IN MISCELLANEOUS ISSUES AS FAR AS SETBACK ADJUSTMENTS OR AT THE PREVIOUS STUDY SESSION WE RECOMMEND A TWO POTENTIAL CHANGES TO SETBACKS. ONE HAD TO DO WITH REDUCING THE REAR YARD SETBACK FOR 80 USE DOWN TO 15FT SO THAT AS A PRESENTED AS A POTENTIAL BARRIER TO DETACHED 80 USE IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES APPLYING THAT 30 FOOT SETBACK TO THEM NOW HAS BEEN PROHIBITIVE ON A COUPLE SITES THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT OR PRESENTED A BARRIER AND THE OTHER CHANGE HAS TO DO WITH LARGER OR DEEPER LOTS ALLOWING A TO USE CLOSER TO THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE THAN A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING. AND SO WHERE THAT MOST OFTEN COMES INTO PLAY IS IF YOU HAVE DEEPER LOTS WITH A VERY SIGNIFICANT RESIDENTIAL SETBACK OR SETBACK TO THE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING SAY 65FT OR MORE, THAT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT TO SET A NEW ADU ON A SITE THAT HAS GREAT ON IT. SO THINK ABOUT LOTS ON THE MINNESOTA RIVER. OTHER SOME OF OUR OTHER ESTATE LOTS TEND TO BE FAIRLY LARGE AND HAVE MORE CONTOURS OR GRADE ASSOCIATED WITH THEM. SO OFTENTIMES THE MOST BUILDABLE PAD HAPPENS TO BE LOCATED IN FRONT OF THE DWELLING WHICH CURRENTLY ISN'T ALLOWED. SO THOSE ARE THE SETBACK ADJUSTMENT PIECE AS FAR AS THE SIZE AND FLURRY ARE REALLY JUST TRYING TO STREAMLINE AND SIMPLIFY THINGS HERE RIGHT NOW BLOOMINGTON HAS A PROPORTIONAL SIZE REQUIREMENT FOR ADA USE AND IN FACT CREATES A TWO THIRDS ONE THIRD RELATIONSHIP MEANING THE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING A FLOOR AREA ESTABLISHED AS MUST BE THE TWO THIRDS OF YOUR COMBINED OVERALL FLOOR AREA. THE ADA USE ALLOWED TO BE ONE THIRD OF THAT WE'RE PROPOSING AND WE'VE VIEWED THIS KIND OF APPROACH MORE BLOOMINGTON IS UNIQUE IN THIS ONE OR A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE MINORITY IN TERMS OF INCLUDING THE STANDARD MORE CITIES ARE JUST GOING TOWARDS JUST ESTABLISHING A MAX SIZE FOR FLOOR AREA AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WE'RE PROPOSING BEFORE YOU HERE. SO BY REMOVING THIS PROPORTIONATE SIZE AND INCREASING THE MAX SIZE FROM 960 TO 1000 IS A NICE ROUND NUMBER JUST MAKES IT SIMPLER FOR PEOPLE TO PLAN AND NOT HAVE VERY PRECISE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS WHEN THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT DOING THEIR PROJECT WHICH IT MOST PEOPLE DON'T HAVE ON THEIR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THE BIGGEST PIECE ON THE CHANGES TO ADA USE HAS TO DO WITH RENTAL ALLOWANCES SO CURRENTLY OUR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT STANDARDS REQUIRE THAT AT LEAST ONE OF THE TWO DWELLINGS BE OWNER OCCUPIED AND THE WAY THAT IT'S REGULATED THAT WAY IS THAT IT SAYS THAT ONLY ONE RENTAL LICENSE WILL BE ISSUED TO THE SITE IF THERE IS TWO RENTED DWELLINGS THEY WOULD NEEDO RENT A LICENSE OR CURRENTLY THAT IS NOT ALLOWED. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT BARRIERS TO 80 USE. WE BELIEVE THIS IS ONE OF THE POTENTIAL BARRIERS TO ADA USE . MOST PEOPLE WHEN THEY THINK ABOUT IT USE THINK ABOUT THE DETACHED QUITE COSTLY AND EXPENSIVE VERSIONS BUT THERE'S A LOT OF ADU CREATION THAT CAN BE DONE BY CONVERTING SPACES WITHIN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR DOING SMALL ADDITIONS . AND SO I THINK BY EXPANDING THE ALLOWANCE FOR RENTING BOTH UNITS THAT THAT IS A WAY TO INCENTIVIZE THE CREATION OF MORE ADA USE IN BLOOMINGTON. ONE THING I'LL NOTE ABOUT THAT TOO IS THAT BLOOMINGTON HAS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN TERMS OF TWO RENTED DWELLINGS ON ONE SIDE WE HAVE A LOT OF TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS THAT HAVE TWO RENTED UNITS. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT OUR ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH STAFF AND THE CITY CLERK LICENSING IT'S NOT FOREIGN TO THEM. THEY'RE USED TO IT. THERE'S TWO SEPARATE LICENSES. THEY WOULD DO INSPECTIONS ON BOTH. IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY APPROACHABLE FROM IN TERMS OF THAT PROGRAM. SO THE SAME STANDARDS WOULD APPLY TO ANY RENTED TO YOU OF ANY RENTED HOME IN BLOOMINGTON. ANOTHER THING I'LL SAY ABOUT IT TOO IN THIS DISCUSSION CAME UP WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION AROUND GROUP HOMES. IT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE. GROUP HOMES ARE A SEPARATE USE IN THE ZONING CODE. THEY'RE AUTHORIZED UNDER STATE LAW UNDER THAT KIND OF PREEMPTION AND YOU CAN'T BOTH BE A GROUP HOME AND A TWO FAMILY DWELLING OR IN A TO YOU IT'S TWO COMPLETELY SEPARATE THINGS YOU'RE EITHER ONE OR THE OTHER. SO I JUST WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE DISCUSSION. SO YEAH, I'LL MOVE ON TO TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS IF YOU CAN HOLD YOUR QUESTIONS TO THE AND I'M HAPPY TO RETURN TO ANY OF THESE IF THAT'S OKAY. SEE I GET INTO TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS. I THINK THE OVERARCHING ISSUE IN TERMS OF TWEAKS TO OUR TWO FAMILY DWELLING STANDARDS IS REALLY TRYING TO ALIGN MORE OF OUR STANDARDS THAT ARE APPLICABLE. THE TWO FAMILY THAT ARE CURRENTLY APPLICABLE TO SINGLE FAMILY THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CONSIDERS THESE USES APPROPRIATE FOR LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AREAS. WE DON'T THINK THAT THE IMPACTS OF THEM ARE SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT. THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR USES JUST FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE SO GETTING MORE ALIGNMENT BETWEEN THOSE STANDARDS IS WHAT'S INFORMING SOME OF THESE PROPOSED CHANGES. I'LL CIRCLE BACK TO SITE SIZE BACK AT THE END AND I WON'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THE CLEANUP ITEMS. THOSE ARE JUST KIND OF MORE CLEANUPS. BUT AS FAR AS GARAGES GO SO RIGHT NOW THE GARAGE SETBACK AND AGA THINKING ABOUT THE ELEMENT OF POTENTIAL CONVERSION OF AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY SITE TO A TWO FAMILY DWELLING, SOME OF THESE THINGS CAN BE BARRIERS. SO CURRENTLY THE GARAGE SETBACK IN FOR TWO FAMILY DRAWINGS IS TEN FEET A SIDE YARD SETBACK AND SINGLE FAMILY IT'S FIVE FEET WHICH WE THINK WORKS QUITE WELL. IN ADDITION TO THAT OUR TWO FAMILY DWELLING STANDARDS REQUIRE GARAGES TO BE ATTACHED TO THE DWELLING. YOU CAN'T HAVE A DETACHED GARAGE AND ALSO AND HAVE A TWO FAMILY DWELLING SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO ALLOW DETACHED GARAGES AND ALLOW THEM TO BE AT A FIVE FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK SIMILAR TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THERE IS A SPECIFIC PROVISION IN OUR CODE THAT REQUIRES THAT TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS WHEN LOCATED ON TO THE CORNER LOT OF TWO LOCAL STREETS IT REQUIRES THE GARAGES TO HAVE DRIVEWAYS TO TWO SEPARATE STREETS. SO SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'LL TALK I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TOWNHOMES NEXT IS THAT AS LONG AS THE ACCESS LOCATIONS ARE APPROPRIATE AS REVIEWED BY OUR CITY ENGINEERING AND TRAFFIC STAFF, SOME OF THESE STANDARDS ARE VERY PRESCRIPTIVE AND DON'T ALIGN WELL WITH SOME DESIGNS THAT SOME DEVELOPERS HAVE BROUGHT TO US IN TERMS OF SOME OF THESE PROJECTS. SO IT'S JUST REMOVING SOME OF THAT PRESCRIPTIVE STANDARDS WHICH CAN FOR SOME SOME DEVELOPERS OR SOME PROJECTS CAN SERVE AS A BARRIER LANDSCAPING WE DON'T REQUIRE A LANDSCAPE PLAN AND INSTALL INSTALL PLANTINGS FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES SO WE DO FOR TWO FAMILY HOMES IT CAN BE QUITE COSTLY OR LABOR INTENSIVE. WE HAVE TO REQUIRE COLLECTIVE SURETY. WE HAVE TO DO INSPECTIONS. WE JUST THINK THAT THOSE ACTIVITIES ARE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR LARGER SCALE DEVELOPMENT THAN A TWO FAMILY DWELLING. MOST PEOPLE ARE GOING TO PLANT VEGETATION AND LANDSCAPE MATERIALS PART OF THE PROJECT . SO GETTING BACK TO SITE SIZE SO SITE SIZE SOME OF THE OTHER CHANGES WE MADE RELATED TO SITE SIZE IN TERMS OF THE REDUCTIONS AND SIDE YARD SETBACKS IN THOSE THINGS THERE WAS A LOW HANGING FRUIT WAY TO CREATE A REDUCTION IN SITE SIZE WHICH EFFECTIVELY REPRESENTS 10% AND SO IT'S LOWERING OUR INTERIOR BOTH OUR INTERIOR LOT AND OUR CORNER LOT STANDARDS BY ABOUT 10%. IT BRINGS MORE BLOOMINGTON LOTS INTO THE EQUATION IN TERMS OF THAT AS FAR AS THE ELIGIBILITY GOES BUT IT'S BEEN PART OF THE DISCUSSION TOO I THINK AT THIS STAGE I THINK WE ALL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT OUR STANDARD IS STILL PROBABLY ON THE HIGH SIDE AND COULD GO LOWER. AND SO WHAT I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU HERE IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO STUDY THIS AND LOOK AT THIS THE ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE DON'T WANT TO GO OR WANT TO KEEP THE TOPIC RELEVANT OR OPEN IS THAT WHILE WE STUDY STANDARDS FOR TRIPLEXES QUADS, THESE OTHER THINGS WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN ALIGNMENT. SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO OUR TWO FAMILY SITE SIZE AND THE SECOND PIECE OF IT IS WE HAVE ANOTHER PROJECT ON OUR WORK PLAN LOOKING AT OUR CORNER LOT STANDARDS. SO BLOOMINGTON EFFECTIVELY HAS TWO FRONT YARD SETBACKS FOR ALL OF OUR CORNER LOTS IF WE MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS AS PART OF THAT PROJECT THAT WOULD ALSO INFORM SOME CHANGES TO SITE SIZE BOTH FOR SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS BUT ALSO FOR TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS. SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF THESE ELEMENTS KIND OF PHASE TWO OF MISSING MIDDLE BUT ALSO THIS CORNER LOT PROJECT WHICH REALLY WE WANT WE DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR OUT AHEAD OF THAT WHILE WE'RE STUDYING THESE ISSUES LATER ON THIS YEAR. SO RIGHT NOW JUST PROPOSING A 10% REDUCTION IN MINIMUM SITE SIZE GETTING THE TOWNHOUSES. THIS IS NOT A TOPIC THAT WE DROVE IN TO SIGNIFICANTLY YET AT OUR DECEMBER STUDY SESSION . THE REASON THAT WE DID NOT IS THAT AGAIN WITH THE MINDSET OF TRYING TO KEEP MORE OF THE MEDIUM DENSITY USES TO PHASE TWO OF THE PROJECT WE DIDN'T INCLUDE IT AS PART OF THAT INITIAL PHASE BUT WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN LOOKING AT SOME POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS AND IT MIRRORED KIND OF LONG STANDING FRUSTRATIONS THAT WE'VE HEARD IN THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE STANDARDS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO CHANGE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING. AT LEAST TWO OF THEM ONE OF THEM IS JUST A SIMPLE CLEANUP. IT HAS TO DO WITH OUR DRIVEWAY DEPTH REQUIREMENTS. THAT'S JUST KIND OF IMPROVING THE READABILITY OF THAT PROVISION. BUT THEN THE RECESSED GARAGE REQUIREMENT EFFECTIVELY WHAT IT REQUIRES IS THAT THE GARAGE FOR A TOWNHOUSE BE AT LEAST FOUR FEET BEHIND THE LIVING SPACE OF THE ADDITION NOT A LOT OF NEW CONSTRUCTION TOWNHOMES ARE DESIGNED THAT WAY. A LOT OF THEM ARE EITHER AN EVEN OR JUST HAVE A MODEST PROTRUSION NOT RECESSION WITH RESPECT TO THE GARAGE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE KIND OF GOOD INTENTION BEHIND THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO LIMIT THE MASSING OF GARAGE DOORS ALONG PUBLIC FRONTAGE. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT WE THINK THAT JUST WITH SOME MODEST ADJUSTMENT IT CAN BE MORE AMENABLE TO A LOT OF THE DESIGNS THAT WE SEE KIND OF IN OTHER COMMUNITIES WHICH I THINK YOU KNOW, GARAGE DOORS ARE NOT WHAT THEY USED TO BE TO A LOT OF THEM ARE MUCH MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN THEY USED TO BE GARAGE OFFSET REQUIREMENT. BUT THIS ONE IS IS BASICALLY WHEN YOU HAVE TWO TOWNHOMES NEXT TO EACH OTHER IT REQUIRES THAT THE GARAGE DOORS BE STAGGERED BY AT LEAST FOUR FEET. SO AGAIN IT'S JUST TRYING TO CREATE ARTICULATION I THINK WELL INTENDED. I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S TRYING TO DO BUT IT HAS CREATED SOME BARRIERS FOR SOME FOLKS DESIGNING TOWNHOMES ARE INTERESTED IN BUILDING TOWNHOMES. IN ADDITION TO THAT THE STANDARD ACTUALLY APPLIES NO MATTER IF IT'S VISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY OR NOT EVEN IF IT'S JUST INTERNAL TO A PRIVATE ROADWAY IN THE DEVELOPMENT THE STANDARD STILL APPLIES. SO WE WOULD RECOMMEND ADJUSTING THAT AS WELL. SO JUST TO REITERATE THIS PROJECT HAS GONE INTO A LOT OF DEPTH THAT I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS EVENING. WE'VE DONE A LOT OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. WE'VE WE'VE HAD FOCUS GROUPS WITH DEVELOPERS FOCUSED ON INFILL DEVELOPMENT AND LOW AND MEDIUM DENSITY DEVELOPMENT THAT THOSE WERE REALLY HELPFUL . WE PRESENTED TO THE DEVELOPER COLLABORATIVE WHO'S FOCUSED ON INFILL DEVELOPMENT GOT A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK FROM THEM AS WELL. WE'VE TABLE THAT COMMUNITY EVENTS WE'VE BEEN DOING ONLINE ENGAGEMENT THROUGHOUT. SO I WOULD SAY THIS PROJECT MORE COMPARED TO OTHERS WE'VE WE'VE GIVEN DROVE DOWN EVEN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ON THE ENGAGEMENT SIDE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE OR DIVE INTO DEEPER DETAIL ON SOME OF THESE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS IF NEEDED. THANK YOU MR. JOHNSON. COUNCIL QUESTIONS ON THIS QUESTIONS OF CLARITY HERE AND THEN WE'LL HEAD TO THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON YEAH. THANK YOU. IN ADDITION TO CORNER LOTS, WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION OF THROUGH LOTS AND ANY CHANGES THAT MIGHT BE NECESSARY THERE IN TERMS OF SETBACKS? MAYOR COUNCILOR NELSON NO, IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WER THINKING ABOUT. OUR REAR YARD SETBACK MATCHES OUR FRONT YARD SETBACK CURRENTLY OF 30FT BUT I THINK OVERALL AND I'M NOT SURE THIS ISN'T THE 2026 WORK PLAN PRESENTATION BUT WE THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT ALL OF OUR STRUCTURE SETBACKS IN MANY OF OUR DISTRICTS. SOME OF THEM ARE HAVE SOME REFINEMENTS THAT WE THINK WOULD BE POSITIVE. BUT I WOULD SAY THIS THAT PARTICULARLY ON FENCING SOMETIMES FENCING IS AN ISSUE THAT COMES UP ON THROUGH LOTS. WE HAVE SOME SPECIFIC PROVISIONS AROUND THAT AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WERE GOING TO LOOK AT AS PART OF THE FENCE ORDINANCE REVIEW. OKAY. SECOND QUESTION THE 80 USE YOU'RE RECOMMENDING THAT WE ELIMINATE THE PERCENTAGE OVERALL. HOW WOULD THAT IMPACT IF THE 82 IS NOT LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S NOT THE BACKYARD OR IN THIS CASE POTENTIALLY IF WE APPROVE IT FRONT YARD THING BUT IF YOU SAY CONVERTED YOUR BASEMENT AND PUT IT IN A SEPARATE ENTRY IN A SEPARATE KITCHEN AND CREATE AN 80 YOU THERE WITHOUT THE PERCENTAGE, COULD THAT POTENTIALLY BE LARGER THAN THE PRIMARY SPACE OR HOW WOULD THAT WORK? YEAH. MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER NELSON IT COULD THEN YOU'RE REALLY GETTING INTO A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT IS THE PRIMARY AND WHAT'S THE ACCESSORY DWELLING IN A WAY BUT EFFECTIVELY WHAT WE WOULD BE REVIEWING IS TO ENSURE THAT WHATEVER IS THE ADU IS 1000FT OR LESS. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND THERE ALSO IS A PROVISION IN THERE THAT CREATES A COMMON UTILITY AREA EXCEPTION THAT WOULD NOT COUNT TOWARDS THE 80 USE SIZE BECAUSE IF YOU'RE IN THAT KIND OF SCENARIO YOU'RE ENVISIONING THERE'S TYPICALLY UTILITIES SERVING BOTH DWELLINGS. SO IF YOU HAD A STANDARD RAMBLER THOUSAND 40FT UTILITY EASE TAKE THAT OUT YOUR BASEMENT COULD BE AN 80 YOU WITHOUT HAVING TO DO ANYTHING UNUSUAL TO MODIFY IT OTHER THAN MAKING SURE YOU HAD ACCESS EGRESS AND KITCHEN. MARY NELSON NELSON THAT'S CORRECT. AND THEN ON THE TWO FAMILY WITHOUT THE ATTACHED YOU COULD HAVE A DETACHED GARAGE. CAN THE DETACHED GARAGE BE SHARED? MARY COUNCILOR NELSON IT COULD. RIGHT NOW OUR PARKING REQUIREMENT IS TWO STALLS ONE PER UNIT AND SO YES, IT COULD BE SHARED. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION COUNCIL ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. IF YOU COULD VOTE JUST FOR ME, MR. JOHNSON, AGAIN CLARIFY ONE MORE TIME. THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING HERE AS OPPOSED TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE AS OPPOSED TO GROUP HOMES AND THE REQUIREMENTS AROUND THAT? >> YEAH, I KNOW IT'S BEEN A TOPIC OF INTEREST LATELY AND MAYBE THE LAST FEW YEARS THE STATE LAW ALLOWS REQUIRES CITIES TO ALLOW RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES SERVING SIX PEOPLE OR FEWER IN ALL THEIR LOWER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. SO AS LONG AS YOU'RE LICENSED BY THE STATE YOU'RE ALLOWED TO ESTABLISH A RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY. THESE TYPICALLY ARE ASSISTED LIVING OR PROVIDING OTHER TYPE OF CARE AND THEY ARE VERY IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF SERVING RESIDENTS AND THE COMMUNITY. BUT I THINK THERE'S SOMEWHAT OF A CONFLATION AROUND JUST TYPICAL RENTAL HOUSING JUST IF A HOME IS BEING RENTED AND SO IT'S EASY TO CONFUSE THESE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH STAFF HAS TALKED ABOUT IS THAT THEY USED TO REQUIRE A RENTAL LICENSE FOR ALSO RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES. THERE WERE SOME CHANGES IN STATE LAW THAT PRECLUDES THE CITY FROM DOING THAT NOW AND THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION AT THE STATE LEVEL AROUND REINSTATING THAT. I THINK I'M SAFE TO SAY THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH STAFF WOULD STRONGLY SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE THEY VALUE THE INSPECTION JUST TO ENSURE THAT ANY OF ALL ISSUES THROUGH A CITY EYES THROUGH A CITY LENS ARE BEING ADDRESSED AS WELL. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU FOR THAT. APPRECIATE IT. I'LL CERTAINLY HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. DO NOT GO FAR. MR. JOHNSON, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM 4.3. THIS IS REGARDING OUR PHASE ONE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING ORDINANCE. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS WISHING TO SPEAK TO ITEM 4.3 THIS EVENING ? NO ONE COMING FORWARD. CAITLIN IS THERE ANYONE ON THE PHONE? MAYOR THERE'S NO ONE ONLINE. LAST CALL FOR ANYBODY IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS I 4.3. COUNCIL NO ONE COMING FORWARD IN THE CHAMBERS. NO ONE ON THE PHONE TO SPEAK TO THEM. 4.3 I WOULD LOOK FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 4.3 SO MOVED MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER LOWMAN SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 4.3 NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO SO COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON A 4.3 I DO WANT TO SAY THAT MR. JOHNSON I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION AND WHAT I REALLY APPRECIATE I THINK IT WAS ABOUT YOUR THIRD OR FOURTH SLIDE SHOWING THE GRAPHIC ABOUT THE BACKGROUND ON THE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING. I THINK SO MANY TIMES I THINK THERE'S CONFUSION WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHAT WE MEAN BY THE MISSING MIDDLE AND TO SEE THE THE GRAPHIC TALKING ABOUT 80 USE TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS TOWNHOMES BUT ALSO TRIPLEXES FOURPLEX MULTIPLEXES ALL THESE DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES AS WAYS TO ADDRESS THE HOUSING SHORTAGE AND FRANKLY AS A AN AFFORDABLE WAY TO LIVE OR A WAY THAT A HOMEOWNER CAN REDUCE THEIR REDUCE THEIR MONTHLY PAYMENT EVERY MONTH BY TAKING ON A RENTER. I MEAN THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THIS ALL WORKS VERY WELL TOGETHER. BUT THE GRAPHIC THAT THE I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS OUR OUR GRAPHIC OR WE BORROWED THAT FROM SOMEWHERE BUT IT'S A GOOD GRAPHIC AND I THINK IT'S THE BEST THAT I'VE SEEN KIND OF EXPLAINING ALL OF THIS AND KIND OF SHOWING IT A LITTLE BIT MORE GRAPHICALLY IF YOU WILL. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. COUNCIL COMMENTS ON THIS COUNCILMEMBER WOMAN WELL MARY, I THINK YOU STATED IT WELL. YOU KNOW, JUST FOR YOU WITH WHERE OUR CITY IS TODAY AND WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO WITH IT TO USE AND WE WEREN'T SUCCESSFUL WITH OUR FIRST PITCH WHEN WE TRIED TO DO IT. NOW HOPEFULLY THIS YOU KNOW, KIND OF MOVE THE BALL A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN THE LINE AND AS WE TRY TO MATURE OUR CITY MORE AND HAVING THESE ADDITIONAL OPTIONS I THINK ARE GOING TO BE A WONDERFUL THING FOR THE POPULACE AND FOR THOSE FOLKS THAT SAY HEY, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE MORE OPTIONS TO DO SOMETHING WITH MY MY PROPERTY NOW. WELL HERE'S OUR RESPONSE THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO DO SOME MORE THINGS TO MAKE YOUR LIFE A LITTLE BIT BETTER AND IT KIND OF OPENS UP MORE OPPORTUNITIES AS OPPOSED TO SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT. SO WHILE I'M A LITTLE BIT SKEPTICAL ABOUT THE THE RENTAL PORTION OF IT BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO PROMOTE OWNERSHIP I AM BUT I'M HAPPY TO AT LEAST TRY IT OUT. YOU KNOW WE CAN ALWAYS PULL IT BACK IF WE NEED TO DO THAT. SO I FOR ONE WILL BE SUPPORTIVE OF THESE CHANGES THAT WE LOOK TO MAKE HERE AND COUNCILMEMBER AND COUNCILMEMBER NELSON YEAH. THANK YOU MAYOR. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK OF STAFF AND OUR PLANNING COMMISSION ON GOING THROUGH ALL OF THESE ITEMS. I THINK THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB. I KNOW THIS IS A FIRST STAB. I DO BELIEVE OUR HOUSING BILL WAS JUST PASSED AND WENT TO THE GOVERNORS FOR SIGNATURE BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S ANY REASON FOR US TO SLOW DOWN ON THESE. I THINK THERE'LL BE MINOR TWEAKS IN SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVE BASED ON WHAT I'VE SEEN FROM WHAT ACTUALLY I THINK WHAT WE RECEIVED FROM STAFF EARLIER TODAY AND WHAT'S IN THAT. SO WHAT I WOULD SAY IS I SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE A WAY FOR YOUNGER FAMILIES TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD A PLACE TO LIVE FOR SENIORS TO BE ABLE TO STAY IN THE COMMUNITY AND YOU KNOW, US TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT HOUSING FOR THEM. AND MY ONLY REGRET AND THIS IS NOT ON BLOOMINGTON IS I WISH THAT MORE COMMUNITIES WERE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING AND I WISH FRANKLY THE LEGISLATURE HERE WOULD DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO MAKE THIS REGION WIDE THESE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES AND I WON'T SAY ANY MORE ON THAT AT THIS POINT. SO I, I AGAIN THANK YOU TO STAFF PLANNING COMMISSION FOR BEING REALLY THOUGHTFUL ON THESE. I THINK I THINK THESE ARE ALL VERY WORKABLE AND I THINK THAT THEY WILL DEFINITELY BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF PROVIDING PLACES THAT YOU KNOW PEOPLE CAN HAVE A PLACE THEY CAN LIVE THAT THEY CAN OWN HOPEFULLY AND STAY IN THIS COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER NELSON AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR YOUR COMMENTS ON THE NEED FOR THIS BEYOND THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON ABSOLUTELY AGREE. OTHER COMMENTS COUNCIL QUESTIONS IF NOT COUNCIL I WILL LOOK FOR ACTION ON IT IN 4.3 THIS EVENING OUR PHASE ONE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING ORDINANCE. I'D BE HAPPY TO MAKE THAT MOTION. COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN WE'RE ALL MOVED TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE AMENDING VARIOUS PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS TO FAMILY DWELLINGS TOWNHOUSES THEREBY AMENDING CHAPTER 21 OF THE CITY CODE. SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER CARTER ADOPTING AN ORDINANCE AMENDING VARIOUS PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS TO FAMILY DWELLINGS AND TOWNHOMES IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF SINGLE OFF BY SAYING I. I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN WHERE I MOVE A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING SUMMARY PUBLICATION OF THE ORDINANCE AMENDING VARIOUS PERFORMANCE STANDARDS APPLICABLE TO THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS TO USE TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS TOWNHOUSES THEREBY AMENDING CHAPTERS 21 OF THE CITY CODE. SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CARTER REGARDING SUMMARY PUBLICATION OF ITEM 4.3 THIS EVENING NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO THANK YOU VERY MUCH . WE CAN DO THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT. COUNCIL WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO OUR ORGANIZATIONAL BUSINESS AND WITH YOUR INDULGENCE WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO FLIP THE ORGANIZATIONAL BUSINESS ITEMS 5.1 AND 5.2. WE'RE ACTUALLY WAITING ON SOME ONE PERSON TO WHO'S PART OF THE PRESENTATION FOR ITEM 5.1. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO TO ITEM 5.2. THE CITY COUNCIL POLICY AND ISSUE UPDATE TO BEGIN WITH AND WE'LL HOPE THAT PERSON SHOWS UP. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO TO ITEM 5.2 THE CITY COUNCIL POLICY AND ISSUE UPDATE BACK TO ITEM 5.1 HERE IN JUST A MOMENT AND I WILL START OUR POLICY AND ISSUE UPDATE RECAPPING OUR CITY COUNCIL LISTENING SESSION THIS EVENING WE HAD ONE, TWO, THREE FOUR WE HAD FIVE SPEAKERS THIS EVENING AND FIVE DIFFERENT PRESENTATIONS A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT SPEAKERS ACTUALLY WITHIN THIS MR. TIM SANDLIN AND HIS WIFE WERE PRESENT QUESTIONS ABOUT THEY OWN A PROPERTY WHERE FOOD TRUCK OWNERS PARK ON THEIR PROPERTY AND THAT RIGHT NOW PARKING OVERNIGHT IS UP IN IN IN VIOLATION OF CITY ORDINANCE AND HE WAS ASKING IF WE COULD SOMEHOW DEAL WITH THAT AND SOMEHOW MAKE THAT WORK AGREED TO CONNECT HIM WITH LYNN MOUA AND KIM BERGERON AND OTHERS IN OUR OUR CITY STAFF TO SEE IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY FORWARD ON THIS OR IF THERE IS A WAY FORWARD OR IF PERHAPS THE THE THE CITY STANDARDS ARE IN PLACE FOR A REASON AND THEN THERE'S A WAY THAT WE'RE USING THEM IN SUCH A WAY TO KEEP PROPERTY VALUES AND NEIGHBORHOODS AS THEY ARE. WE HAD A VISIT FROM MR. DAVE TUCKER WHO IS I THINK THE HEAD OF BE AWAY FOR 99 HOME COMPLEX AND HE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT OUR SIDEWALK SNOWPLOW REDUCTION PROPOSAL WHICH IS ITEM 5.1 THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE COMING BACK TO HERE SHORTLY. BUT JUST THE OVERALL COST OF IT AND WHAT THE IMPACT MIGHT BE ON THEIR HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. WE HEARD FROM MR. ROBERT COLEMAN AND A COUPLE OF HIS COWORKERS REGARDING THE THE THE UNIONIZED GROCERY STORES IN BLOOMINGTON AND THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING TO TRY AND TO GET TO A CONTRACT TO AGREEMENT WITH THE OWNERS OF THE GROCERY STORES. SO MR. COLEMAN WAS THERE PRESENTING FOR US THIS EVENING. WE HEARD FROM MARY PAT DEERING . SHE HAD HER CONCERNS ALSO ABOUT THE PLOWING BUSINESS OR THE THE CHANGES THE POTENTIAL CHANGES TO PLOWING ON CITY SIDEWALKS PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF JUST THE THE EFFORTS AND THE IMPACT IT MIGHT HAVE ON SOME OF OUR OLDER RESIDENTS. AND FINALLY WE HEARD FROM MR. BRIAN MITCHELL AND MR. MITCHELL HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE USE OF FRANCHISE FEES IN THEIR CITY. APPRECIATE IT BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN I MEAN OF OUR FOLKS OTHER THAN MR. COLEMAN, I THINK THEY WERE ALL JUST GREAT NEW FOLKS TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK TO OUR OUR LISTENING SESSIONS. SO CONTINUED MISSION ACCOMPLISHED ON THAT BECAUSE WE WANTED AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING MORE PEOPLE FORWARD AND TO HAVE DIFFERENT DISCUSSIONS ON DIFFERENT TOPICS. SO THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY WHO SHOWED UP FOR OUR COUNCIL LISTENING SESSIONS THIS EVENING. THE ONLY OTHER ITEM THAT I WILL BRING FORWARD AND I KIND OF TOUCHED ON IT A LITTLE BIT I WANTED TO THANK AND CONGRATULATE OUR STAFF BOTH IN PUBLIC WORKS AND IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR THE OPEN HOUSES THAT THEY HOSTED ON SATURDAY THIS WEEK IT WAS A LITTLE CHILLY. IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS THE SATURDAY FOR THESE OPEN HOUSES. IT IS EITHER 95 DEGREES OR IT'S 45 AND RAINY. THERE'S NOTHING IN BETWEEN ON THOSE ON THOSE DAYS AND IT WAS 45 AND RAINY ON SATURDAY AND BUT WE HAD AN OUTSTANDING TURNOUT AT THE PUBLIC WORKS OPEN HOUSE WE HAD AN EQUALLY GOOD TURNOUT AT THE POLICE OPEN HOUSE AND THEN FRANKLY I BECAUSE MY DAY WASN'T FULL ENOUGH I WENT OVER TO THE VALLEY VIEW AND WE DID A PROCLAMATION FOR TENNIS DAY IN BLOOMINGTON AS WELL SO WE HAD A FULL FUN DAY OF THINGS GOING ON IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON AND I WANTED TO CONGRATULATE OUR CITY STAFF FOR THE WORK THAT THEY PUT IN TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. IT IS A BIG HEAVY LIFT. I KNOW IT IS AND THEY DO GREAT WORK WITH IT AND AS ALWAYS GREAT AMBASSADORS FOR THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. SO I WANTED TO GIVE THEM A SHOUT OUT AND A THANKS FOR THE WORK THAT THEY HAVE DONE THAT IS ALL I HAVE. >> MISS HARDIN YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS I DO AND IT WAS A BUSY WEEKEND FOR STAFF HERE AND FOR OUR COMMUNITY. YESTERDAY ON MAY 18TH PARKS AND RECREATION HOSTED THE INDIGENOUS ARTS AND CRAFTS FAIR. IT WAS A CELEBRATION HELD IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE BLOOMINGTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS AMERICAN INDIAN EDUCATION PROGRAM IN HONOR OF MINNESOTA'S AMERICAN INDIAN MONTH. THE EVENT FEATURED MORE THAN 30 INDIGENOUS ARTISTS SHOWCASING THEIR WORK ALONGSIDE HANDS ON ACTIVITIES GAMES, INFORMATIONAL TABLES HIGHLIGHTING INDIGENOUS RESOURCES AND ORGANIZATIONS. ATTENDEES ENJOYED TRADITIONAL NATIVE FLUTE AND HOOPS OUR HOOP DANCING PERFORMANCES AND FOOD PROVIDED BY INDIGENOUS FOOD TRUCKS WITH AN ESTIMATED OF 1700 PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE. THAT'S AMAZING THE EVENT WAS A BIG SUCCESS AND WAS A MEANINGFUL CELEBRATION OF INDIGENOUS CULTURE, CREATIVITY AND COMMUNITY. SO I WANT TO SEND SOME GRATITUDE TO ALL INVOLVED INCLUDING MARK MORRISON, OUR PARKS AND REC SUPERVISOR WHO RUNS MANY EVENTS JAY LUDWIG COORDINATOR HERE WHO WORKS WITH HISTORY AND INDIGENOUS PROGRAMS AND CLAIRE LITTLE THE FARMER'S MARKET COORDINATOR THE TWO BLOOMINGTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS AMERICAN INDIAN EDUCATION PROGRAM STAFF WHO HELPED US WERE HEIDI HECKER AND CLARISSA SEIDEL WHO AND CLAIRE IS ALSO A MEMBER OF OUR CITIES DAKOTA ADVISORY GROUP. SO KUDOS TO THE TEAM. SOUNDS LIKE IT WAS AN AMAZING EXPERIENCE. WE GOT A FEW EMAILS ACTUALLY TODAY JUST THANKING THE CITY AND VERY IMPRESSED WITH HOW THE EVENT WENT AND JUST GREAT JOB TO EVERYBODY AND CAN'T WAIT FOR IT TO HAPPEN AGAIN NEXT YEAR. AND THEN IN TERMS OF EXCITING THINGS HAPPENING HERE WE WE SAY THESE WORDS EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE I SHOULD SAY WE SAY THESE ACRONYMS GIVE AWAY AND PAY FOR AND THAT'S GOVERNMENT FINANCE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION AND POPULAR ANNUAL FINANCE REPORTING. YOU CAN SEE WHY WE SAY G F AWAY AND FOR THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON HAS BEEN AWARDED THE 26TH G F OKAY POPULAR ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT AWARD FOR THE 2023 IT'S ALWAYS A LITTLE BEHIND CORPORATE REPORT TO THE COMMUNITY WHICH WAS PUBLISHED IN THE JUNE 25TH WAS PUBLISHED IN THE JUNE 2024 BRIEFING. THE TIMING IS PERFECT AS WE GET READY TO PUBLISH THE 2024 REPORT IN THE JUNE 2025 BRIEFING AND HOPEFULLY PEOPLE CAN FOLLOW THAT. THE PAPER IS EVALUATED BY JUDGES BASED ON READER APPEAL UNDERSTANDABLE ALITY DISTRIBUTION METHODS, CREATIVITY AND OTHER ELEMENTS. WE ALSO RECENTLY RECEIVED THE CITY'S 30TH 30TH CONSECUTIVE DISTINGUISHED BUDGET PRESENTATION AWARD FROM THE GFA EARLIER THIS MONTH. SO CONGRATULATIONS TO THE TEAM. A HUGE THANK YOU TO OUR CORE TEAM OF COREY CARLSON, ASHLEY CLEMMER, JODY WILLARD AND BRIANNA UNCLE DINGER FOR THEIR WORK IN CREATING ANOTHER OUTSTANDING REPORT FOR OUR COMMUNITY. IT CONTINUES TO BE A WONDERFUL COLLABORATION BETWEEN OUR COMMUNICATIONS AND FINANCE TEAM. SO THANKS A LOT EVERYONE. GOOD WORK. THANK YOU. MR. DEAN ANY QUESTIONS? YOU KNOW THOSE TWO ITEMS VERY GOOD COUNCIL DO WE HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO OUR ISSUES AND UPDATES? I'LL START WITH COUNCILMEMBER NELSON THEN GO TO COUNCIL MEMBER LOMA COUNCILMEMBER NELSON. YEAH. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I HAD INTENDED TO BRING THIS UP A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO BUT WE RAN SHORT ON TIME. I JUST WANT TO LET MY COLLEAGUES AND THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT THERE WAS A MEETING WITH KIRK ROBERTS, JULIE LONG COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO AND MYSELF WITH ERIC AND ERICA FROM SOUTHWEST TRANSIT AS YOU MAY RECALL WHEN WE MET WITH METRO TRANSIT THEY HAVE ESSENTIALLY DISCONTINUED SERVICE WEST OF NORMAN DALE OTHER THAN ONE STOP AT ST EDWARD'S CHURCH ON NESBITT AND SHORTLY AFTER THAT WE WERE ALL INVITED TO A GROUND BREAKING I DON'T KNOW A RIBBON CUT IN FOR A NEW LINE WITH SOUTHWEST TRANSIT THAT WAS GOING FROM THE SOUTHWEST TRANSIT CENTER IN EDEN PRAIRIE OVER TO I BELIEVE THE ORANGE LINE MALL OF AMERICA AND AIRPORT AND BECAUSE OF THOSE THE CONFLUENCE OF THOSE THINGS I REACHED OUT TO SOUTHWEST TRANSIT TO SEE IF THEY HAD ANY INTEREST IN DISCUSSIONS OR ABILITY FOR POTENTIALLY SERVING WEST BLOOMINGTON IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN WE HAVE IN THE PAST. AND SO WE HAD A VERY GOOD CONVERSATION NO FIRM COMMITMENTS, NO SPECIFIC DIRECTION BUT YOU KNOW WITH OUR GREAT STAFF WITH JULIAN KIRK THERE TALKED ABOUT HOW TO MAKE SURE WE SUPPORT THEIR CURRENT LINE GOING THROUGH BLOOMINGTON TO HELP PEOPLE GET TO AND FROM THE AIRPORT OR THE MALL OR THE ORANGE LINE SO THEY CANET INTO OR OUT OF THE CITY. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE ONE OF THE IDEAS WAS TO TALK ABOUT DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR ALONG ALONG OLD CHAKA IN THE MORE SOUTHERN PART OF THE CITY IN THAT AREA AS WELL AS OTHER THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT THERE EXIST IN SOUTHWEST PRIME I BELIEVE IT IS THAT PROVIDES SORT OF THAT FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM PROBABLY THE WRONG TERM MICRO TRANSIT WHERE YOU CAN GET A DOOR TO DOOR, THAT SORT OF THING. SO ANYWAY IT'S JUST A VERY GOOD CONVERSATION STARTING OF SOME DIALOG WITH THEM TO SEE IF WE CAN IMPROVE TRANSIT IN THE WESTERN PART OF OUR CITY. AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE PEOPLE AWARE THAT THAT CONVERSATION HAS STARTED AND I THINK ALL PARTIES WERE INTERESTED IN CONTINUING IT. SO APPRECIATE OUR STAFF PRECIOUS SPACE AND IN THAT AS WELL AS SOUTHWEST TRANSIT'S PARTICIPATION. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON, THANKS FOR THE UPDATE AND THANKS FOR YOUR EFFORTS ON THAT. APPRECIATE IT. COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN YEAH AND WHAT I WOULD I WOULD SAY IS THAT DID COME UP DURING OUR 35 W SOLUTIONS AS WELL THAT THAT THAT REDUCTION PIECE AND WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING TO DO IS THEY'RE REALLY THEY'RE DOING A MUCH LONGER TERM PLANNING WHERE THEY'RE LOOKING A LITTLE BIT OF THAT MICRO PIECE YOU KNOW BURLINGTON'S GOT I THINK 3 OR 4 DIFFERENT PLACES WHERE THAT MICRO TRANSIT WOULD WOULD OCCUR. YOU KNOW, RICHFIELD REALLY GOT IMPACTED FROM MY UNDERSTANDING AS WELL FROM THAT AND SO JUST WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS THEY'RE REALLY TRYING TO MATCH UP WHERE THE WHERE THE DEMAND REALLY IS AND THE TRYING TO RIGHT SIZE IT TO TRY TO FIGURE IT OUT AND THAT THAT'S PART OF THE IMPACT AS WE'VE SEEN IN A NUMBER NUMBER OF PLACES WITH WITH THAT LOW DENSITY ACROSS THE WESTERN PART OF THE CITY SO THAT DOES MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE MORE COMPLICATED. BUT I'M GLAD THAT YOU GUYS ARE ARE ADDRESSING IT THERE AND IT'S CERTAINLY COMING UP AND I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS AS WE KIND OF MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT AND I WOULD LOVE TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE MORE CONVERSATION OFFLINE REGARD TO THAT. I DID HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS BUT I DO SEE THAT WE'VE GOT SOME FOLKS THAT ARE GO AHEAD AND COUNCIL MEMBER LET'S GET WRAP UP THIS PIECE IN THE WE'LL FINISH UP WITH THAT THERE'S NO THERE'S NO RUSH. OKAY SO YOU MIGHT WITH I GO I WANTED TO JUST TOUCH ON A FEW ITEMS THAT ARE THAT ARE IN THE THE CONSENT AGENDA THAT I WANTED TO JUST BE SURE THAT FOLKS WERE WERE AWARE OF 315 ACCEPTING THE WICK FARMER'S MARKET NUTRITION PROGRAM GRANT FUNDS FROM THE MINNESOTA DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND I WANTED TO BRING THAT THAT FORWARD MORE SO SO MY COLLEAGUE HERE, COUNCILMEMBER NELSON HAD BROUGHT FORWARD ABOUT YOU KNOW, THIS IDEA OF THAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT A NUMBER OF THESE PROGRAMS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT THAT SERVICE THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE THE MOST VULNERABLE IN OUR COMMUNITY ARE BEING SUPPORTED. AND I THINK IT'S YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF DO THESE THINGS KIND OF BEHIND THE SCENES AND I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT THAT THAT WE BRING THAT FORWARD SO THAT FOLKS SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING THAT YOU KNOW, MONTH IN, MONTH OUT THAT WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE MAKING THESE CONTRIBUTIONS AND THESE ARE YOU KNOW, THESE ARE OTHER EXAMPLES OF WHERE ALL THESE THINGS ARE INTERTWINED. AND THEN THE OTHER ITEM THAT I WANTED TO BRING FORWARD IS A COUPLE OTHER ONES BUT THESE ARE JUST THE TWO I WANT TO BRING FORWARD TODAY AND I CAN CERTAINLY BRING THE OTHER ONES FORWARD IS JUST AROUND YOU KNOW FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS I HAVE HAD SERVED FOR THE HOME VISITING PROGRAM IN OUR 311 THAT'S ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA IS HOW WE'VE REAUTHORIZED THE EARLY CHILDHOOD SUSTAINED HOME VISITING WHICH IS MESH WITH THEIR STATEMENT OF WORK WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND IT'S JUST SO IMPORTANT THAT IN A CITY THAT WE HAVE IN BLOOMINGTON THAT WE WE WE REALLY MAKE SURE THAT THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE THAT ARE IN THOSE AGE RANGES THAT WE JUST WE INVEST IN THAT. AND SO I'M SO HAPPY THAT OUR CITY CONTINUES TO THIS THIS WORK AROUND PUBLIC HEALTH AND THAT WE'RE PART OF THAT SO I WANTED TO BRING THOSE TWO THINGS FORWARD AS WE AS WE CONTINUE TO TO TRY TO TAKE THIS MARCHING DOWN THE LINE OF AND HELPING THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE THE MOST VULNERABLE IN OUR IN OUR COMMUNITY AND MAKING SURE THAT WE WE DO THAT. AND I KNOW THAT THIS THIS COUNCIL HAS TRADITIONALLY BEEN COMMITTED TO THAT AND I WANT TO HOPEFULLY WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT AS THIS COUNCIL MOVES FORWARD. SO REALLY THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO THINGS THAT I WANTED TO TO BRING UP. SO THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER TWO IMPORTANT PROGRAMS WITHOUT QUESTION. ABSOLUTELY. THANKS FOR BRINGING THOSE TO THE FOREFRONT. ALSO ANYTHING ELSE TO BRING FORWARD FOR OUR POLICY AND ISSUE UPDATE? VERY GOOD. THEN WE WILL DOUBLE BACK ON OUR AGENDA AND WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO ITEM 5.1 WHICH IS DISCUSSION REGARDING THE SIDEWALK SNOWFALL REDUCTION PROPOSAL THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN WORKING ON AND TALKING ABOUT FOR A WHILE NOW. IT SEEMS LIKE AND I KNOW HAS ENTERTAINED A LOT OF ENGAGEMENT AND DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE. DAVE HANSON AND KEVIN AND ARE HERE GOOD EVENING GENTLEMEN. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU FOR BEING FLEXIBLE. I WAS RUNNING A LITTLE LATE SO I APPRECIATE THAT. I'M IF NOTHING ELSE I'M FLEXIBLE AND I'M GLAD KEVIN'S HERE BECAUSE LITERALLY AS I INTRODUCE THIS WHOLE THING KEVIN HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS FROM THE START AND HAS GATHERED DATA. HE HAS DONE ALL THE SURVEY OF OTHER CITIES SO DURING THE DISCUSSION PART I'M GLAD HE'S HERE TO ANSWER THOSE DETAILED QUESTION. SO THANKS FOR HAVING US HERE WITH ME IS KEVIN. HE'S ONE OF OUR PLOW OPERATORS. WE'VE GOT TRACY SMITH FROM COED IN THE BACK IN A SUPPORTING ROLE. THEIR OFFICE HAS BEEN REALLY IMPORTANT TO THIS AND THE ENGAGEMENT PLAN BOTH EXTERNALLY AND INTERNALLY. AND RENEE CLARK, THIS HAS BEEN A BIG PROJECT AND IT'S OVERLAPPED A LOT OF DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND IT'S BEEN A BIG EFFORT THAT'S TAKEN MANY HANDS TO GET DONE. SO OUR NEXT SLIDE JUST SIMPLY OUTLINED FOR THE PRESENTATION THE GOALS AND YOU CAN READ ALL THAT WE'LL GET GOING. BUT REALLY TONIGHT WE'RE SEEKING FEEDBACK FROM YOU ON OUR INFORMATION, OUR PRESENTATION, THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. WE PLAN TO TAKE THAT INPUT AND COME BACK IN JULY AND WE'LL ALSO COMBINE IT WITH THE THE NEXT PHASE OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WITH THE MAPS THAT KEVIN WILL SHOW YOU LATER. SO THESE ARE OUR PROJECT GOALS . WE WANT OUR SIDEWALKS APPLYING TO ALIGN WITH OUR OTHER PLOW OPERATIONS, SEE IF WE CAN USE THIS CHANGE TO IMPROVE PARK MAINTENANCE AND SERVICE DELIVERY. THEIR IMPROVED WALKABILITY FOR PEDESTRIANS IS IMPORTANT TO THIS TOO. WE WANT ALL THIS IS GOING TO MAKE THINGS BETTER NO MATTER WHICH WAY WE GO AND WE WANT TO REDUCE OPERATOR INJURIES. WE'LL GO INTO SOME OF THAT WITH YOU AND THEN ULTIMATELY HAVE EVERYTHING IN PLACE SO PEOPLE CAN MAKE ANY CHANGES NEEDED BY THIS WINTER. SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR CURRENT PRACTICES. IT TAKES 1 TO 3 DAYS DEPENDING ON THE SNOW EVENT TO FINISH THE SIDEWALKS IN TOWN AND THAT'S ONE TIME THROUGH IF IF WE GET ANOTHER SNOW EVENT WE WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND START OVER USUALLY AND WITH OUR OTHER PLANNING OPERATIONS THAT ARE TYPICALLY DONE IN IN 1 TO 2 DAYS TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACTS FROM OTHER PLOWING OPERATIONS, WE TRY AND STAGGER THE START TIME OF SIDEWALK PLOWING BY AT LEAST A COUPLE HOURS TO LET STREET OPERATORS GET OUT AND AND GET AHEAD OF THEM. BUT IT'S INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT TO COORDINATE ALL THOSE MOVING PARTS. WE'RE LOOKING AT WAYS TO IMPROVE THAT TO THESE OPERATORS ARE OUT THERE IN THE DARK. IT'S A SEA OF WHITE THE SIDEWALK ARE NARROW. THERE'S LANDSCAPING REALLY CLOSE SO PROPERTY DAMAGE CLAIMS ARE A REAL THING. SOD REPAIR WE HAVE 8080 REQUESTS FOR SOD DAMAGE THIS YEAR. THAT'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT ABOVE AVERAGE EVEN THOUGH WE HAD A WEIRD SNOW THIS WINTER WHEN WE DID HAVE THAT SNOW EVENT IT WAS THE WORST CASE SCENARIO WHERE THERE WAS NO SNOW BANKS TO IDENTIFY THE SIDEWALKS, THE GROUND WAS REALLY SOFT SO IF YOU GOT OFF THE SIDEWALK WHICH SOMETIMES IS ONLY AN INCH OR TWO WIDER THAN THE MACHINE, YOU'RE DAMAGED A LOT OF STUFF AND THEN STAFF INJURIES. WE KNOW THAT THE WORKER'S COMP CLAIMS AND INJURIES TO STAFF ARE HIGHER IN THIS LINE OF PLOWING AND WORK THAN MANY OF OUR OTHER ONES. SO ESSENTIALLY WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC THAT IT TAKES US TOO LONG TO GET THE SIDEWALKS DONE WHEN WE DO THEM WE DON'T DO THEM CLEAR ENOUGH FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS. A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH OPERATOR SAFETY THAT COORDINATION BETWEEN PLOWING THAT I TALKED ABOUT IS ANOTHER THING THAT THE PUBLIC NOTICES. YOU KNOW, THERE THERE THEY CAN GET MESSED UP FROM OTHER PLOWING AFTER WE'VE ALREADY DONE THEM AND THEN THE DAMAGE TO THE LAWNS AND LANDSCAPING FROM WHAT WE HEAR FROM STAFF IS THAT THIS IS A PHYSICALLY DEMANDING JOB AND IT'S ALSO MENTALLY DEMANDING BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO GO OUT AND DO THIS EXTRA DAMAGE AND LIKE YOU WANT TO BE DOING GOOD AND SO THERE'S A PROBLEM THERE THAT WE NEED TO WORK ON HIGHER RATE OF INJURY AND JUST KIND OF AN OVERALL DISSATISFACTION I'LL JUST SAY THAT LITERALLY PEOPLE KEEP TRACK OF HOW MANY YEARS THEY EXPECT TO BE ON A SIDEWALK OR OUT WHEN OTHER PLOW ROUTES OPEN. IT'S ALMOST UNHEARD OF. THAT PERSON PLOW ON SIDEWALKS DOES NOT VOLUNTEER TO DO THAT AND CONVERSELY IF A SIDEWALK PLOW ROUTE OPENS NOBODY THAT'S IN ANOTHER POWER OUT HAS EVER THAT I'M AWARE OF WANTED TO DO THAT. SO SETTING THE TONE A LITTLE BIT, THE EQUIPMENT WE HAVE ARE THE TEN PURPOSE BUILT SIDEWALK MACHINES THAT YOU SEE OUT THERE. WE HAVE HAD A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT BRANDS AND COLORS AND MANUFACTURERS ARE AROUND A LITTLE BIT BIGGER FOR DOING WIDER SIDEWALKS LIKE AMERICAN BOULEVARD. THAT'S A REAL PICTURE OF WADE BOUNCING AROUND IN THERE AND THEN WE USE A SINGLE AXLE DUMP TRUCK LIKE YOU'D SEE A PLOW ON A STREET WITH THAT WING PLOW THAT CLEARS OFF THE CURB SIDEWALKS THAT YOU'D SEE ON NICOLLET OR PENN AVENUE ONES WHERE THERE'S NO GRASS STRIP OR ANY BOULEVARD TO COLLECT THE SNOW. >> SO HE'S A TRUCK TO DO THAT. I ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT THIS IS THE BEST EQUIPMENT OUT THERE. I MEAN THE CITY HAS INVESTED IN THE BEST STUFF THAT WE CAN FIND. THERE'S THERE'S NO PROBLEM THERE AND IT'S BEEN MODIFIED BY OUR OWN FLEET MECHANICS. MANY DIFFERENT IMPROVEMENTS BOTH IN THE WAY OF OPERATOR SAFETY AND COMFORT AND I JUST DROPPED THE PODIUM AND IMPROVED RESULTS HAVE BEEN INNOVATIVE INSTALLED AND CREATED BY OUR OWN FLEET MECHANICS. THEY'VE WON AWARDS. I THINK SOME OF THEM MANUFACTURERS HAVE PICKED UP ON THOSE IDEAS WHEN THEY'VE COME OUT AND LOOKED AT OUR STUFF NATIONALLY, CONSULTED NATIONALLY YES. YEAH. SO WE'RE WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY FOR THE OPERATOR THE SUSPENSION AND THE SEAT AND WHATEVER THE TIRES GIVE THAT'S WHAT YOU GET GET THE BUMPS OUT. LET'S TURN IT OVER TO KEVIN. HE'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE SURVEY STUFF HE DID SO FOR THE PAST YEAR OR SO I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH ALL OF OUR SURROUNDING CITIES IN THE TWIN CITIES METRO ASKING THEM HOW MANY MILES THEY CLEAR, HOW MANY ROUTES THEY HAVE, WHAT'S WHAT ARE THEIR PRIORITIES, WHO'S DOING IT AND WHAT ARE THE KEY DETERMINING FACTORS IN THAT WAS THEIR ROUTE SIZE IN THE 10 TO 15 MILE RANGE THEY ALL FEEL SUCCESSFUL ABLE TO GET OUT THERE, GET EVERYTHING CLEARED WITHIN ONE DAY AND THEN HAVE TIME TO EVEN DOUBLE BACK AND CLEAN UP SOME AREAS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN FILLED BACK IN BY PLOW OTHER PLOW OPERATIONS. SO CURRENTLY AS SHOWN IN THE CHART WE'RE SITTING AT AROUND 25 MILES STILL AND THE ONLY CITY THAT'S EVEN CLOSE TO US IS EDEN PRAIRIE AT 18 EVEN THEY ARE SAYING THEY WOULDN'T IT REALLY WISH THEY COULD GET ONE MORE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT TO HELP EASE THE BURDEN ON THEIR OPERATORS? OUR ENGAGEMENT EFFORTS WHEN DOING IN-PERSON EVENTS, VIRTUAL OPEN HOUSES DID THE DIGITAL ENGAGEMENT WITH LET'S TALK BLOOMINGTON WHICH IS OPEN ONCE AGAIN WITH OUR PROPOSAL. WE'RE ASKING FOR FEEDBACK. WE WENT STRAIGHT TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND ENGAGE THEM TO DISCUSS WITH THEM HOW THIS WOULD AFFECT THE WALKERS WITHIN OUR LIVING WITHIN OUR CITY FOR STAFF ENGAGEMENT JUST TO KICK THIS OFF WE MET WITH THE TRACY WE MET WITH THE ENTIRE SIDEWALK CREW, DISCUSSED THEIR CONCERNS AND WHATNOT AND HOW THEY BELIEVED WE COULD IMPROVE THE OPERATION AND THEN WE ALSO MET WITH TRANSPORTATION AND WE MET WITH LEGAL ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH CONSULTEDHE EXPERTS ON THINGS WE KNEW WE WOULD NEED TO CHANGE IN ORDER TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES PROPERLY AND THROUGH THAT SOME OF OUR ENGAGEMENT THEMES WERE THERE'S A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR OUR CURRENT OPERATION. THEY REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK THAT WE PUT IN OUT THERE. A LOT OF THEM RECOGNIZE OUR EFFORTS. THERE'S SOME CONCERN ABOUT RESIDENT RESPONSIBILITIES. NICOLLETTE AVENUE WHERE THE SIDEWALKS RIGHT ON THE ROAD OR OLD SHACK BE WHERE IT'S A LOT OF HIGH TRAFFIC, VERY HIGH SPEED FOR SOME OF IT. THERE'S CONCERN FOR THEIR SAFETY AND WHATNOT. SO ALONG WITH THAT, THE ACCESSIBILITY OF THE CONCERN ABOUT PEOPLE WHO HAVE WHEELCHAIRS AND NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET TO KEY AREAS LIKE WALGREENS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR THEIR PRESCRIPTION DRUGS OR SOMETHING THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT PROPERTY DAMAGE TO WHICH WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHEN WE MAKE THOSE HAPPEN AND THE FINANCIAL CONCERN THE TAXATION THEY'RE WONDERING SINCE THEY CONSIDER THIS TO BE A REDUCTION IN CITY SERVICES, HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT THE CITY BUDGET FOR THE EMERGING USABILITY THEMES THE SAFETY OF THAT IS THEY WANT TO SEE THE SIDEWALK CLEARED AS CLOSE TO BARE PAVEMENT AS THEY CAN WHICH AS DAVE MENTIONED WE'RE UNABLE TO DO WITH OUR CURRENT EQUIPMENT AND THINGS LIKE DROPPING SALT ON THE SIDEWALK AREN'T REALLY FEASIBLE BECAUSE THAT COULD DAMAGE NOT ONLY THE SIDEWALK BUT ALSO ENVIRONMENTALLY IT'S NOT THE BEST FOR THE SURROUNDING GRASSES AND WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE SALT USAGE HERE. ACCESSIBILITY WAS AS I SPOKE BEFORE, ACCESS TO KEY AREAS FOR EVERYBODY. USABILITY WHICH DOUBLED BACK TO THE BARE PAVEMENT THEN TIMELY EFFICIENT THEY WANTED TO SEE IT DONE A DAY MAYBE TWO DAYS AT MOST. SO PART OF THE INTERNAL COLLABORATION THAT'S CONTINUING EVEN RIGHT NOW I'M JUST LAST WEEK TRACY MET WITH OUR STREET DEPARTMENT. WE'RE CONSULTING EVERYBODY THAT'S PART OF SNOWPLOW OPERATION WITHIN THE CITY TO FIND MORE IDEAS TO BETTER IMPROVE OUR OPERATION WHETHER THAT'S ADJUSTING OUR START TIME SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DOUBLE BACK AND RE CLEAR AREAS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN CLEARED ONCE OR POSSIBLY LIKE INCREASING HOW MANY TRUCKS ARE HELPING CLEAR ON THE CURBSIDE SIDEWALK SO WE ARE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING FROM TOP TO BOTTOM NOW FOR OUR PROPOSAL WE LOOKED INTO EVERYTHING AND ONE THING THAT WAS RECOMMENDED WAS THE COMPREHENSIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND USING THE ROADWAY CLASSIFICATIONS. SO WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT IT WE WERE DISCUSSING AND THEN IT TURNED INTO EVERYTHING WITH MAJOR COLLECTORS WE BELIEVED WOULD BE BETTER SUITED TO BE CLEARED BY CITY FORCES. SO ANYTHING MAJOR COLLECTOR ARTERIAL EXPANDER RELIEVER, EVERYTHING ABOVE THAT MAJOR COLLECTOR LINE WOULD BE CLEARED BY CITY FORCES OR MINOR COLLECTORS AND LOCAL ROADS WOULD BE TURNED OVER TO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS. AND THAT LED US TO THIS MAP WHICH WITH A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT WAYS OF WHERE WE WOULD APPROACH IT WOULD BRING OUR MAIN FLEET DOWN TO ABOUT 13 MILES PER OUT WHICH IS RIGHT IN THAT SWEET SPOT THAT WE HOPING TO GET WOULD ALLOW US TO BE SAFER, DELIVER A HIGHER QUALITY LEVEL OF SERVICE AND MINIMIZE HOW MANY MILES WE WOULD HAVE TO TURN BACK OVER TO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS BECAUSE WE USE A VARIETY OF TECHNIQUES WE WOULD STILL DO THE CURBSIDE WITH A CURBSIDE TRUCK. WE WOULD STILL DO TRAILS, WE WOULD STILL DO THE MAIN KEY AREAS. THERE ARE BIG CONCERNS FOR PEOPLE OLD SHACK, ABBEY ROAD, NICOLLET AVENUE, PENN AVENUE. SO WE BELIEVE THIS WAS A GOOD APPROACH OR AT LEAST A GOOD STARTING LINE RIGHT OVER TO MEET SOME OF THE EQUITY CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE TOOK INTO PUT IN PLACE OR WE MET WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WE WANTED FOR SURE THEM TO KNOW THAT WE WEREOOKING INTO THIS AND LEARNING MORE ABOUT THE STUDENTS THAT WALK TO SCHOOL. WE ALSO FOUND OUT FROM THEM THAT THEY WOULD NOT HAVE CAPACITY TO DO ANY OF THE ADDITIONAL SIDEWALKS THAT WERE ADJACENT TO THEIR PROPERTY EVEN ON THE LOW VOLUME ROADS I FORGET THE NUMBER OF MILES IT WAS YOU MIGHT REMEMBER FIVE MILES. >> SO FOR FIVE MILES WE CAN WE CAN RESUME DOING THOSE ADJACENT TO THE SCHOOL PROPERTIES. WE INTEND TO PROVIDE SOME SORT OF SORT OF SERVICES LIST FOR VULNERABLE PEOPLE. WE'RE WORKING ON THIS WITH TRACY RIGHT NOW. LIKE KEVIN SAID, THIS PLAN WILL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE REMOVAL OF SNOW ON MAJOR ROADS WHERE ESSENTIAL SERVICES EXIST . IT'LL ACTUALLY IMPROVE THAT AND IT'LL PUT OUR EFFORTS TO WHERE THEY MAY MATTER MOST SO PEOPLE CAN GET TO THE GROCERY STORE TRANSIT, HEALTH CARE, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THEN WE PLAN TO OF COURSE ROLL OUT ALL OF OUR MATERIALS IN MULTIPLE LANGUAGES. WE KNOW THAT ANY CHANGES THAT ARE THAT COME OF THIS WILL NEED TO BE COMMUNICATED VERY CLEARLY AND VIGOROUSLY WITH THE RESIDENTS FOR BUDGET IMPACTS. THESE ARE EXPENSIVE MACHINES TO OWN AND OPERATE SO WE WE CAN PREDICT ABOUT 50,000 $60,000 WORTH OF SAVINGS THERE $11,000 IN DIRECT OVERTIME SAVINGS THAT ARE SPENT ON SIDEWALK PLOWING. AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT OUR OPPORTUNITY COSTS AND INCREASE SERVICE DELIVERY AND PARK MAINTENANCE STUFF, THERE'S ABOUT A HALF FTE THAT IF WE WERE SPENDING LESS TIME PLOWING SIDEWALKS WE COULD USE IN PARKS AND THEN YOU KNOW WE CONTINUALLY EVALUATE OUR OPERATIONS AND SERVICES TO LOOK FOR EFFICIENCIES AND FRANKLY CONSIDER THINGS THAT WE MAY BE OVERDOING OR DON'T NEED TO DO AS AS ONE OF OUR PROCESSES AND WHERE WE'RE THINKING THAT THIS THIS MIGHT BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE'RE OVER SERVING WITH THOSE EXTRA HRS WE COULD ENHANCE PARK MAINTENANCE SERVICES AND IN THE WAY WELL IMPROVE PARK MAINTENANCE. LET'S TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT RIGS RIGHT NOW WE TYPICALLY DON'T GET OUR RIGS CLEARED OFF UNTIL THE PLOWING IS DONE. THESE CHANGES COULD HELP US GET TO THOSE RINKS. THE DAY OF A SNOW EVENT I KNOW FOR A VARIETY OF CIRCUMSTANCES KEVIN HIMSELF WAS FREED UP THIS YEAR TO GET ON RINKS THE DAY OF A SNOW EVENT INSTEAD OF HOPPING INTO A PLOW AND HE CAN TELL STORIES AND HE HAS ABOUT PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE THINKING THEY'D HAVE TO SHOVEL OR DISAPPOINTED AND WE ROLLED UP WITH TRACTORS AND CITY EQUIPMENT AND WE'RE ABLE TO GET THOSE CLEARED OFF. SO PROVIDE A HIGHER SERVICE LEVEL ON RINKS WITH NATURAL RESOURCES. WINTER IS A GREAT TIME TO DO INVASIVE SPECIES MANAGEMENT TREE THINNING YOU CAN THROW A NATIVE SEED DOWN ON THE SNOW. ALL THAT WORK CAN BE DONE. 925 HOURS WOULD EQUATE TO OVER SIX ACRES OF RESTORATION DONE IN-HOUSE EVERY YEAR AND THEN FORESTRY. SO FOR A LOT OF REASONS WINTER IS THE BEST TIME TO TRIM TREES AND WE KNOW THAT PROACTIVE PRUNING CYCLES LEAD TO FEWER FAILURES AND THEN PREDICTED STORM DAMAGE, TREE CLEANUPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO PROACTIVE TREE PRUNING CYCLES PAY FOR THEMSELVES IN THE LONG RUN AND IT WOULD ALLOW US THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO SPEND MORE TIME ON THAT CODE CHANGES. SO WE REALIZED THE CODE HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE 1958 ISH. I THINK AND IT NEEDS UPDATING FOR SURE SO WE'RE AWARE OF THAT CURRENTLY IT SAYS THE SIDEWALKS NEED TO BE CLEARED BY IN 12 HOURS. WE DON'T EVEN DO THAT SO KEVIN'S RESEARCH INDICATED CITIES LOOK HIS SURVEYS SAID YOU KNOW 24 TO 48 HOURS. SO IF WE LOOK AT CHANGING HOURS TO 24 HOURS AND THEN COME UP WITH A CODE ENFORCEMENT STRATEGY DEPENDING ON THE APPROACH THAT WE HAD DOWN, ONE THING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT QUITE A BIT IS THAT THE FIRST YEAR COMPLIANCE WILL BE BETTER ACHIEVED THROUGH EDUCATION AND OUTREACH AND THINGS LIKE THAT INSTEAD OF PENALTIES AND FINES AND AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT . SO OUR NEXT STEP IS WE WE GOT FEEDBACK FROM THE PARK COMMISSION LAST WEEK. WE'RE LOOKING TO YOU PEOPLE FOR FEEDBACK AND DIRECTION TODAY WE PLAN TO COME BACK WITH ALL THE INPUT AND MAKE A FINAL RECOMMENDATION IN JULY AND IF AUTHORIZED THEN WE'LL DO THE CODE AMENDMENTS AND THAT KIND OF NECESSARY STUFF ALONG WITH THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT SO THAT FOLKS CAN GET WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE ARRANGED IN TIME FOR WINTER. AND THAT IS OUR LAST SLIDE. SO QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION FEEDBACK FOR US AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING US OUT. WELL AND THANK YOU FOR THE THE THOUGHTFUL WORK THAT'S GONE INTO THIS AND FOR THE OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT THAT I KNOW YOU HAVE DONE BECAUSE I'VE SEEN YOU DO IT. IT'S AND I KNOW THAT YOU'VE HAD PLENTY OF FOLKS OFFER OPINIONS AND YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON THIS AND THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE BECAUSE IT'S IT'S NOT JUST AS SIMPLE AS SHOVELING SIDEWALKS. I MEAN THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO THIS. I GET THAT AND I APPRECIATE, AS I SAID, THE THOUGHTFUL WORK THAT WENT INTO IT AND AND TO COME UP WITH THIS PROPOSAL. THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE AND YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU KIND OF TOUCHED ON IT AFTER YOU MADE THIS PRESENTATION NOW WILL THERE BE ADDITIONAL PUBLIC INPUT OPPORTUNITIES? ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE ARE YOU GOING TO BE OUT AND ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AT THE FARMER'S MARKET OR IS THERE GOING TO BE MORE OR MORE LET'S TALK OPPORTUNITIES, THAT KIND OF THING TO GAIN PUBLIC INPUT BASED ON THE PROPOSALS THAT YOU'RE MAKING TO BOTH THE PARK AND TO THE CITY COUNCIL? YEAH. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES, WE WILL BE AT THE FIRST FARMER'S MARKET IN JUNE TO RECEIVE FEEDBACK IN PERSON AND THE LET'S TALK IS LIVE ONCE AGAIN WITH THE PROPOSED ROUTE ADJUSTMENT AND ANOTHER SURVEY. SO WE WERE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE AS MANY PEOPLE TO GO AND FILL OUT THAT SURVEY. MR. TUCKER WHO WAS AT THE LISTENING SESSION I'VE SPOKEN WITH HIM ALREADY I ENCOURAGED HIM TO SHARE THAT WITH HIS HOA. I TOLD HIM LIKE THIS ISN'T JUST US COMING UP WITH SOMETHING. THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO DO COLLABORATIVELY WITH THE COMMUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY. SO WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE CAN. FABULOUS. THANK YOU. COUNCIL QUESTIONS COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS SO THE QUESTION I HAVE I HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF FEEDBACK ON THIS AND I WILL MAKE A SUGGESTION AND COMMUNICATION I KNOW WE DO A WONDERFUL JOB COMMUNICATING WHAT WE INTEND TO DO AS A CITY . HOWEVER, IT IS KIND OF A BALANCE FOR A LOT OF THE FOLKS OUT THERE AND TODAY WAS A TESTAMENT OF THAT BY THE GENTLEMAN THAT'S WALKED AND HE SAID HE RECENTLY HEARD ABOUT IT AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THEY SHOULD BASE ON OLD FASHION OF A FLIER CERTAINLY IN THE MAIL TO EVERY HOUSEHOLD SO THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE. I GUESS A LOT OF PEOPLE MISS A CHRISTIAN AREA ON A COMPUTER. I MEAN I HATE THOSE THINGS AND I WORK WITH THEM DAILY. I HATE TO DO THEM A LOT OF THE TIMES I IGNORE THEM. OKAY. I JUST NOT A BIG BIG INTO THAT. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE DO MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT WE AND WE DO A GREAT JOB. DON'T GET ME WRONG THAT WHAT WE DO IS NOT ENOUGH FOR ALL PEOPLE OUT THERE TO GET THE INFORMATION AND THAT'S WHY WE GET, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF ANGRY PEOPLE AT THE END WHEN WE HAVE ALREADY VOTED AND POSSIBLY PASS THINGS. THIS IS VERY CONTROVERSIAL AND YOU KNOW, I'VE PERSONALLY DON'T SUPPORT IT AT ALL FOR A NUMBER OF THINGS AND I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO IT. BUT COMMUNICATION THE SIMPLEST WAY OF COMMUNICATING SEND A CARD OUT THERE TO EVERY RESIDENT SO THAT THEY FEEL THAT THEY HAVE BEEN INFORMED. I KNOW THAT WE CLAIM THAT WE DO A LOT OF INFORMATION BUT IN REALITY WE DON'T COVER EVERYBODY BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY THAT'S WHAT WE DO OR PARTICIPATED IN WHAT WE PUT OUT THERE AND THAT'S A FACT. I GET A LOT OF INFORMATION PEOPLE I SPEAK WITH AND A LOT OF THE MISSING BECAUSE OF THAT . AND ANOTHER THING THAT I THIS IS PURELY FOR SAFETY REASONS FOR LACK OF HOURS OR WHAT IS THE REASON WHY THIS HAS COME UP ANYWAYS? HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT. >> SURE. YEAH. MAYOR AND ACTUALLY IF YOU COULD BEFORE YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION CAN YOU ADDRESS OUTREACH ACTIVITIES THAT WERE MORE THAN JUST ONLINE SURVEYS THAT THAT YOU FOLKS HAVE DONE? OH CERTAINLY. THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER REALIZE YES WE'VE DONE BRIEFING ARTICLES WE DID AN EARLIER BRIEFING ARTICLE. WE'VE GOT ANOTHER ONE COMING OUT. IT'S GONE OUT THROUGH ALL THE SOCIAL MEDIA CHANNELS THOSE INVITES LET'S TALK BLOOMINGTON ALL THAT WE HAVE NOT DONE A SPECIFIC MAILER WE TALKED ABOUT CERTAINLY MAILING TO ANY RESIDENTS THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED BY THE CHANGE AT SOME POINT WE HAVEN'T DETERMINED WHEN WOULD BE THE CORRECT POINT TO DO THAT. I MEAN THAT'S EXACTLY MY POINT. WE DO ALL THESE THAT I'M AWARE OF IT. I MEAN IF YOU GO TO FARMER'S MARKET HOW MANY PEOPLE ATTEND THE FARMER'S MARKET ON THE WEEKEND AT ANY BALLPARK NUMBER ? >> I DON'T KNOW THAT OFF THE TOP. YOU KNOW, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING. NOT EVERYBODY GOES THROUGH THOSE THINGS AND A LOT OF THE ELDERLY PEOPLE DON'T ATTEND ANY OF THESE EVENTS OR DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO YOU KNOW THE ONLY REASON I READ THE INFORMATION THE CITY'S HANDS LIKE THE BRIEFING AND ALL THAT IS BECAUSE I'M CURIOUS TO SEE MORE OF WHAT WHAT TO LEARN MORE MYSELF BASICALLY I MAKE AN EFFORT TO READ IT THE MORE SO THE PEOPLE YOU KNOW GET STORIES. IT'S TREATED LIKE JUNK MAIL, RIGHT? SO IF ANYBODY GETS ATTENTION AND YES, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK TO GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT CONCERNS US BUT IF WE PUT OURSELVES IN THEIR SHOES, IF THE INFORMATION IS NOT IT'S NOT ATTRACTIVE ENOUGH TO GET THEIR ATTENTION, THEY WILL NOT IT JUST WILL BE OVERLOOKED AND THEN THEY COME IN HERE ANGRY THAT THEY DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT MAKING THE EFFORT TO CATER TO THOSE PEOPLE AS SPECIFIC AS SPECIFICALLY I MEAN ALL EVERYTHING THAT YOU ARE ALREADY NAMED IT'S YEAH IT'S WE'RE AWARE OF IT AT THE YOU KNOW WE'RE NOT EVERYBODY HAS THE SAME I WOULD SAY CAPABILITY BUT NOT EVERYBODY HAS THE SAME ACCESS T EVERYTHING THAT THE CITY'S PROVIDING. THAT'S MY POINT THE INFORMATION IS GREAT I AGREE IS ONE OF THE BEST THINGS I HAVE SEEN. DID THE INFORMATION PEOPLE IN THE CITY THEY DO AN AMAZING JOB BUT IT DOESN'T GET EVERYBODY OUT THERE AND SOMETIMES WE MISS THE MOST IMPORTANT PEOPLE IN THIS IN THESE EVENTS IN THIS PROJECT. AND IF I COULD POINT OUT COUNCILMEMBER, EVERY HOUSEHOLD IN THE CITY RECEIVES THE BRIEFING EVERY MONTH. YEAH BUT EVERY EVERY MONTH THEY ARE TO MY POINT I JUST MENTIONED THAT YES I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT NOT EVERYBODY LOOKS AT IT LIKE SOME OF US DO AND THAT'S MY POINT. WE TRIED WE HAD TO DO BETTER INFORMING THE PEOPLE THERE ARE LESS ABLE TO SEE WHAT WE PROVIDE. I MEAN WE'RE PRETTY HIGH IN TECHNOLOGY COMPARED TO A LOT OF CITIES AND THAT PREVENTS A GOOD NUMBER OF PEOPLE FROM GETTING INVOLVED AND GETTING THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE PROVIDING. THAT'S MY POINT EXACTLY. YOU KNOW, WE'RE MISSING AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT I SPEAK TO DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE SNOW PLOW EVEN THOUGH WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT IT LAST YEAR SOMETIME MADE LAST YEAR IN THE SUMMER OF LAST YEAR. STILL PEOPLE DON'T THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT. OKAY. I BELIEVE THAT AND WE'LL GET TO YOUR SECOND QUESTION. COUNCILMEMBER CUTLER COMMENT. YEAH. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I MEAN I APPRECIATE WHAT COUNCILMEMBER REEVES IS SAYING. I KNOW WHEN I FIRST STARTED IN COUNCIL THERE WERE SEVERAL THINGS THAT CAME UP AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT EXPANDING MEAL AREAS AND ALL THAT AND THE THING I WILL SAY IS THAT WILL I PROMISE YOU IT WOULD BE COST PROHIBITIVE. I PROMISE YOU YOU WOULD SEE THE DOLLAR SIGN AND BE LIKE OH THERE'S I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY WAY WE COULD DO AN ADDITIONAL MEAL OR TO EVERY HOUSEHOLD IN BLOOMINGTON LIKE IT. I MEAN I REMEMBER THAT WAS LIKE THE DEAL BREAKER IN MY EARLIER YEARS AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO THAT IF YOU GUYS HAVE LOOKED AT THAT BUT I MEAN I THINK THE BLOOMINGTON BRIEFING IS THE WAY THAT WE GET A LOT OF INFORMATION OUT TO EVERY SINGLE HOUSEHOLD IN WRITTEN FORMAT AND IT IS I THINK WE EVERY YEAR WE HEAR FROM RESIDENTS THAT IT'S THEIR NUMBER ONE LIKE MOST APPRECIATED SOURCE OF INFORMATION. AND SO I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AS I LIKE IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD DO A MAILER TO EVERY HOUSE AND YOU KNOW, REALLY TRY BUT FROM MY EXPERIENCE BEING ON COUNCIL NOW FOR HOWEVER MANY YEARS WHEN WE'VE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS IN THE PAST, THERE'S JUST NO WAY FINANCIALLY WE CAN MAKE IT WORK TO DO IT ON EVERY SINGLE IMPORTANT ISSUE. SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT NOW IF YOU CAN PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTION AGAIN IT WAS WHAT IS THE REASON EXACTLY THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO? IS IT PURELY FINANCIAL? IS IT BECAUSE OF THE INJURIES OR THE TIMING OF IT? I'M JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW THAT I MEAN I WANT EVERYBODY THAT IS LISTENING TO HEAR THAT ALSO WHAT IS IT EXACTLY THAT MOTIVATED THESE THESE PLANS OF SUSPENDING CERTAIN AREAS OF SNOWPLOWING? YEAH MAYOR COUNCIL RIVAS THERE'S A THERE'S A FEW REASONS FOR IT. WE WE LIST THEM ALL FIRST AND FOREMOST IS PEDESTRIAN WALKABILITY RIGHT NOW THE WAY WE'RE SET UP IT TAKES US THREE DAYS TO GET THROUGH THE ROUTE AND THAT'S ONE TIME AND WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC A LOT ABOUT HOW WE DON'T GET THEM DONE FAST ENOUGH. WE DON'T PLOW DOWN TO THE GROUND BECAUSE IF IF WE HIT ANY OBSTACLES OR THINGS IN THE SIDEWALK A CRACK IT STOPS THE PLOW IMMEDIATELY THE GRAVEL SHOVELED AND THEN PUSH IT DOWN THE SIDEWALK AND CAUGHT UP ON A JOINT THAT STOPS THE SHOVEL. SAME THING HAPPENS IN THERE. SO IF WE REDUCE THE NUMBER OF MILES THERE'S A COUPLE OF WAYS TO LOOK AT SOLVING THIS PROBLEM. KEVIN ALREADY SHOWED YOU IN THE GRAPH THAT WE'RE AN OUTLIER IN THE NUMBER OF MILES THAT WE HAVE PER ROUTE BY ALMOST DOUBLE. SO WE'RE NOT DELIVERING THE SERVICE AT THE SAME LEVEL THAT OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE. SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF WAYS TO SOLVE THAT AND ONE WOULD BE TO ADD MORE EXPENSIVE MACHINERY AND AND STAFF TO OPERATE THEM. THE OTHER WOULD BE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE THAT IS ON THE BOOKS ALREADY AND UTILIZE THAT TO PUT SOME OF THAT BURDEN AND SHARE SOME OF THAT BURDEN WITH RESIDENTS . SO THAT'S THE OPTION THAT WE WE CRAFTED HERE TODAY ON THE LOW VOLUME ROADS WHICH FRANKLY BY THE TIME WE GET THERE ON DAY THREE MANY OF THEM ARE ALREADY SHOVELED BY THE RESIDENTS ANYWAY. THEY JUST DO THEM WHEN THEY DO THEIR DRIVEWAY. SO WALKABILITY AND IMPROVE SERVICE DELIVERY AND FOCUSING THE EFFORTS AND THE RESOURCES THAT WE DO HAVE ON THE BUSIER ROADS WHERE THEY MATTER MOST IF I MADE AND WITH THIS IF WE COULD ADD MORE EQUIPMENT AND CONTINUE TO DO THAT I WOULD JUST LEAN ON THAT. I WOULD THAT WOULD I WOULD I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO SUSPEND OTHER OTHER THINGS THAT THE CITY OFFERS TO THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE NOT IN THIS TYPE OF SERVICES. I BASICALLY TO ME THE CITY PROVIDES SERVICES FOR THESE FIRE STREET MAINTENANCE AND I WOULD LEAN ON CONTINUE TO DO THAT AND AS HAS BEEN OTHER OTHER AMENITIES THAT THE CITY'S OFFERING TO THE RESCUE. SO THEY DON'T REALLY WANT THAT HAVE IS A FRACTION OF THE CITY RESIDENTS WANT IT AND YOU KNOW AS WE SAW IN THE RESIDENTS STATED EARLIER EVERYBODY PAYS FOR IT. SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE JUST ELIMINATE PERHAPS THINGS THAT ARE NOT NECESSARY AND CONCENTRATE ON THINGS AS THIS AND I CONSIDER THIS NECESSARY FOR THE PUBLIC FOR EVERYBODY'S SAFETY. A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE CANNOT SHOVEL THERE IS NO ANYMORE AND TO ADD THIS AND BESIDES IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE SIDEWALK IS THE CITY PROPERTY ALSO RIGHT? THE STABLES ARE OWNED BY THE CITY UP UNTIL THAT LINE WITH THIS I WILL AS IS CITY PROPERTY. SO WHY ARE WE GOING TO PUT THAT BURDEN ON THE RESIDENTS? BUT I'LL END WITH THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER THANK YOU MAYOR . SO I WANT TO JUST SAY MY MY NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET HAD A BIG HUGE ON HIS YARD AND I WAS GOING TO MENTION IT THE CITY MANAGER AND WE'RE GOING TO CALL IT IN AND BEFORE WE WERE ABLE TO GET AT IT, STAFF WAS ALREADY OUT THERE, HAD TO SEE IT OUT THERE, HAD RAKED THE THE THE DIRT OFF. I WAS LIKE WOW, I DIDN'T HAVE TO CALL IN THAT. I MEAN THE THE OWNER OF THAT YOU KNOW, SAT IN BEFORE HE TOLD ME OUT IN THE PAST BUT HE WAS SO IMPRESSED WITH THE FACT THAT STAFF HAD GOTTEN OUT THERE AND I WANTED TO JUST PASS THAT THAT ALONG BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF SERVICE AND EXCELLENCE OF SERVICE THAT WE'VE COME TO EXPECT FROM OUR ARSENAL PLOWING OF SO AS I LOOK AT THIS THIS THIS WHOLE ITEM HERE I'LL BE HONEST I'VE NOT BEEN A REAL CHAMPION OF CHANGING THIS AT ALL. I KNOW THIS EVERY YEAR I'VE SEEN A NEW PROPOSAL THAT'S COME BEFORE THIS BODY TO TO CHANGE THIS CHANGE THIS OVER. BUT YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE COMMITMENTS THAT I'VE KIND OF MADE ARE KIND OF TURNING OVER A NEW LEAF TO CHALLENGE THOSE THINGS THAT ARE EXISTING AND LOOK AT NEW NEW PARADIGMS AND ALSO CHALLENGE THOSE AS WELL. SO I PROMISE YOU THAT I WILL BE FOCUSED ON THE GOALS OF THIS OF THIS PROJECT TO GET ME FROM A SOLID NO TO MAYBE OPEN TO SOME OF THIS. I WILL SAY THIS WAS A PRETTY GOOD PRESENTATION SO I WANTED TO JUST FOCUS ON THESE PROJECT GOALS THAT YOU'VE GOT HERE AND I'VE GOT A FEW OTHER QUESTIONS HERE AND I'LL TRY TO DO THIS RELATIVELY QUICKLY HERE BUT I SEE THOSE PROJECT GOALS THAT YOU'VE GOT HERE BETTER ALIGNMENT WITH THE OTHER SNOW REMOVAL OPERATIONS, IMPROVED PARK OPERATIONS AND THEN I'LL STOP HERE ON THIS ONE HERE WHICH IS IMPROVED WALKABILITY . AND WHAT I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT IS THAT YOU KNOW, YOU SEE THE ENGAGEMENT THAT'S OUT THERE WHERE THEY TALK A LITTLE BIT ABT ACCESSIBILITY AND I WANTED YOU TO TO JUST GIVE A LITTLE MORE COMMENTARY ON WHY NOT PUT ACCESSIBILITY THERE AS OPPOSED TO WALKABILITY IMPROVE WALKABILITY? NO MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER LOHMANN THOSE ARE DIFFERENT WORDS I THINK SOME OF THE MEANING WOULD BE INTERCHANGEABLE. THE ACCESSIBILITY AS I LIKE ADA ACCESSIBILITY IS KIND OF BUILT INTO THE SIDEWALK DESIGN. WELL YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. YOU KNOW MY LIFE AND IT'S WINTER AND IT'S WEATHER AND IN MINNESOTA WE CAN'T ALWAYS ENSURE THAT BECAUSE OF WINTER AND WEATHER THE REASON WE WENT WITH WALKABILITY IS IF WE CAN THROUGH A COMBINATION OF PROPERTY OWNERS TAKING CARE OF SIDEWALKS AND US GETTING THOSE ROUTES DOWN TO 13 MILES THAT WE CAN COMPLETE IN ONE DAY ONE TIME THROUGH EVERYTHING WILL LOOK BETTER AFTER ONE DAY AND IT'LL GIVE US A CHANCE TO GO BACK AND DO AREAS THAT NEED TO BE CLEANED UP. THAT'S THE IMPROVEMENT IN WALKABILITY. SO WITHIN A DAY OR TWO DAYS WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET EVERYTHING DONE AND GO BACK AND DO SOME CLEAN UP PASSES AND ENSURE THAT WELL MAKE IMPROVEMENTS AS NEEDED. I GUESS. THANK YOU. THAT HELPS YOU TO HAVE A BETTER BETTER IT SEEMS IT SEEMS TO ME WHAT I'M HEARING YOU ALSO SAY IS IT'S THAT TIME PERIOD OF THAT 24 HOURS IS THAT IS WHAT YOU'RE FOCUSED ON IS THAT THE 25 MILES IS YOU KNOW WHAT THE CURRENT STAFFING AND THE CURRENT EQUIPMENT IS DIFFICULT TO BE ABLE TO TO GET TO THAT AND I WOULD BE CURIOUS AND I'M READ ANSWER ASKING YOU TO ANSWER THAT RIGHT NOW IN THIS MINUTE BUT IF IF WE DID YOU KNOW ANOTHER COUNCILMEMBER HAD MENTIONED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO MEET THAT SAME STANDARD, HOW MUCH MORE STAFF WOULD YOU NEED? HOW MUCH MORE EQUIPMENT WOULD YOU NEED IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THAT? I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT THAT MEANS AND WHAT'S THE BILL ON THAT IF WE DECIDED TO GO DOWN THAT ROUTE AND DO THAT, GO THE EXACT REVERSE OF WHAT YOU'RE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO I AM INTERESTED IN TERMS OF THE YOU KNOW WHY ACCESSIBILITY ISN'T HERE IN THIS THIS PROJECT GOALS AND WHY JUST THESE FIVE GOALS YOU HAVE HERE SO SURPRISED THAT THERE WEREN'T OTHER ANY OTHER GOALS IN TERMS OF YOU KNOW SERVICE EXCELLENCE SEE OR THAT KIND OF THING. I MEAN THIS WAS SORT OF IN HERE BUT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE'VE GOTTEN LOTS OF AWARDS ON THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE DO SO YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S JUST SOMETHING WE'RE NOT STAFF TO DO. SO I WAS JUST SOME OTHER THINGS THAT YOU KNOW, I JUST WONDERED ABOUT THAT WITH THAT I'LL MOVE ON. SO IN TERMS OF THE THE OPERATIONALIZED IN THE INJURIES BECAUSE THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT IS KIND OF NEW I DID UNDERSTAND WE HAD INJURIES THAT WERE TAKING PLACE WAS THERE ANY YOU KNOW, JUST THE SHEER INTEREST IN DOING THIS WORK? WAS THERE ANY YOU KNOW, LOOKING INTO JUST PRIVATIZING THIS, WHAT WOULD WE LOSE? I'M NOT A BIG PRIVATIZE THERE BUT I WANT AT LEAST SO SINCE IT'S NOT A VERY DESIRABLE THING WAS THAT LOOKED AT IS IS IT MORE COST EFFECTIVE TO DO THAT WOULD WE NOT WE WILL LOSE ON THE QUALITY SIDE OF THE ARGUMENT I KNOW WE'VE DONE THAT AND SOME OTHER THINGS WE ENDED UP HAVING TO BRING IT IN HOUSE BECAUSE THE QUALITY AND ACTUALLY TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. YEAH CERTAINLY MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER LOW AND COUNCIL MEMBERS WE HAVE LOOKED AT AT CONTRACTS THE LAST TIME WE VISITED THIS IS A CITY WAS 2010 AND AT THAT TIME WE DID HAVE A MIX OF CONTRACTORS AND I BELIEVE ONLY FOR SIDEWALK PLOWS AND THE ROUTES WERE IN THE 50 OR 60 MILE RANGE WITH A CONTRACTOR AND WE JUST HAD TROUBLE WITH CONTRACTORS BEING SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE MACHINES ARE EXPENSIVE THAT AREN'T EXPENSIVE TO OPERATE. THE CONTRACTORS HAD EQUIPMENT BREAKDOWNS. THEY USE THE WRONG MACHINES. IT JUST WAS A HUGE STRUGGLE. EVENTUALLY WE COULDN'T FIND ANYBODY TO BID ON IT SO THEY HAVE SOME OF THE SAME EXPERIENCE AS WE DO DOING THIS ON A LARGE SCALE THAT PAID OFF MORE THAN YOU CAN CHEW. THANK YOU FOR THAT RESPONSE AND I HOPE THAT WAS WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS PROJECT GOALS THAT WE THINK ABOUT THAT AS WELL IN THE WE YOU KNOW COUNCIL I MEAN IT DOESN'T WE DON'T HAVE TO ENUMERATE EVERYTHING BUT I JUST I'M THINKING ABOUT THAT AS I LOOK AT THAT AND THEN YOU KNOW, AS WE LOOK AT THE 13 MILE REDUCTION, THE THING THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS WHAT THE IMPACT IS TO THE SCHOOLS AND YOU'VE MENTIONED A SOLUTION TO THAT AROUND CHURCHES AND OTHER SYNAGOGUES AND THAT TYPE OF THING. THESE THOSE PLACES WHERE FOLKS GATHER, YOU KNOW, ANY OTHER KIND OF RECREATION PLACES WHERE PEOPLE ARE PART OF I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT IF THEY TEND TO FALL IF ANY OF THOSE THINGS FALL OUTSIDE OF THAT, I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. I HOPE THAT THERE BE A PLAN THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT GROCERY STORES, THAT TYPE OF THING. MOST OF THOSE ARE GOING TO BE ON I MEAN MEAN TYPES OF THINGS . SO I JUST GOT A COUPLE MORE THINGS HERE AND THEN I'LL I'LL TURN IT BACK FOR THE GOOD OF THE TIME HERE SO I KNOW THAT YOU KNOW THE CITIES THAT WE PICKED I IMAGINE THE REASON WHY WE PICKED THOSE IS THOSE ARE OUR PEERS CITIES THAT WE'VE KIND OF USED IN OUR SURVEYS AND AND I'M JUST CURIOUS AND I'M NOT TRYING TO COMPARE US TO MINNEAPOLIS SAINT PAUL OR HOW WE SAY THAT WE NOW SAINT PAUL ARE OUR BIGGEST SUBURBS BECAUSE I'M SO PROUD OF BLOOMINGTON. BUT YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO DO A COMPARISON, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WHAT ARE THEY DOING IN MINNEAPOLIS AND ST PAUL IN THOSE MAJOR CITIES? HOW HOW ARE THEY HANDLING SNOWPLOWING? OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE A LARGER DOWNTOWN REGION AND THAT TYPE OF THING. WHAT DO THEY DO IN THEIR RESIDENTIAL AREAS? IT WAS ANY THING DONE WITH THAT? DO THEY WANT TO DO? YEAH YEAH IF I COULD I THINK THE ANSWER IS NOTHING. YEAH OKAY AND I THINK AND I DO THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO TO TO BRING THAT TO LIGHT I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE YOU KNOW HERE I'M LOOKING AT THESE OTHER SUBURBAN AREAS. THEY'RE THEY'RE DOING STUFF BUT IF WE'RE MORE LIKE MINNEAPOLIS AND ST PAUL MAYBE THAT'S ANOTHER QUESTION. SO THAT KIND OF YOU KNOW THAT'S ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE. RACHEL UNCOMFORTABLE ABOUT THAT BUT I JUST THAT'S THE QUESTION I HAVE BECAUSE I, I WANT TO KNOW YOU KNOW, I MEAN THAT'S WHERE I PUT OUR CITY IS MORE IN THOSE CATEGORIES IS WHERE WE'RE HEADING SO RIGHT IF I COULD MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER LOGAN YOU ARE SPOT ON. MAYOR THE THE CITIES OF MINNEAPOLIS AND ST PAUL TAKE CARE OF THE SIDEWALKS ADJACENT TO PUBLIC PROPERTY AND EVERY OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS RESPONSIBLE. I THINK ONE OF THE SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES THAT'S WORTH ACKNOWLEDGING IS THAT MOST PEOPLE IN MINNEAPOLIS HAVE A SIDEWALK AND IT'S NOT THE SAME IN BLOOMINGTON. SO THERE IS THAT DIFFERENCE AND WE DID HEAR THE SOME OF THAT THROUGH THE ENGAGEMENT. YOU KNOW, THAT'S AN OBVIOUS DIFFERENCE I GUESS FOR FOR RESIDENTS. SO THANK YOU. WELL WELL THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT THIS FAR. THE LAST THING I WOULD SAY HERE IS YOU KNOW YOU KNOW, I'LL JUST TAKE A LITTLE TWIST ON THIS. I MY MY COLLEAGUE HAD TALKED ABOUT TRYING TO EXPAND YOU KNOW, WHO WE TALKED TO. AND I THINK TOO FOR ME IT'S NOT SO MUCH YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY WE'VE BEEN DOWN THIS PATHWAY IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO SHOW UP AND IT'S IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET FOLKS ENGAGED UNTIL YOU PUT THE SNOWPLOW THERE. YOU PUT THE YOU KNOW YOU KNOW, PUT THE EQUIPMENT THERE AND SAY OH, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS NOW. OH WOW. SO I THINK MORE SO WHAT I'M INTERESTED IN IS TO TRY TO SEE IF THERE'S NEW WAYS IN WHICH YOU KNOW YOU KNOW, I'VE SAID THIS MILLION TIMES BEFORE THERE'S WE CAN TRY TO ENGAGE DIFFERENT PEOPLE AND I DO KNOW OUR ENGAGEMENT DEPARTMENT DOES A PHENOMENAL JOB AT TRYING TO FIND NEW AND CREATIVE WAYS TO ENGAGE, YOU KNOW, OUR YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT FOLKS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY THIS. AND THAT'S THE THING I'M ALSO CONCERNED IS MAKING SURE WE'RE HEARING FROM THOSE VOICES OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO WE TYPICALLY DON'T HEAR FROM TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THIS POLICY IN THE POLICY PROJECT GOALS THAT WE HAVE SO IT MAKES MAKES SENSE. AND SO IF I WERE TO LOOK AT THESE PROJECT GOALS I WOULD MOVE UP IN HERE JUST MY OWN MY ONE COUNCIL MEMBER AND EQUITY AND ALSO ACCESSIBILITY. I THINK THOSE HAVE GOT TO BE SOMEWHERE YOU KNOW IN IN TERMS OF HOW WE LOOK AT THIS YOU KNOW 13 MILES I THINK IS GREAT BUT YOU KNOW MAYBE THAT GETS YOU KNOW MAYBE THERE'S WE TRADE SOME OF THOSE THOSE MILES OFF FOR SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS WHERE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO MEET THOSE FIVE YOU KNOW THOSE FIVE GOALS THAT ARE HERE IN THE OTHER TWO THAT I PROPOSED AND I WOULD PROBABLY FEEL THE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH MAKING THIS MAKE SENSE. JUST THANK YOU FOR WHAT WE'VE GOTTEN THUS FAR. THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENTS. COUNCILMEMBER COUNCILMEMBER AND THEN COUNCILMEMBER NELSON. COUNCILMEMBER THANK YOU MAYOR. I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE IN THE MINORITY IN THIS ONE. I'M VERY HAPPY TO SEE THIS WORK COME FORWARD. AND ALSO KEVIN, I THINK THIS IS YOUR FIRST TIME PRESENTING FOR THE COUNCIL. YOU DOING A GREAT JOB MAN. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. I HAVE LIVED IN SIX DIFFERENT MIDWEST CITIES. I'M A MIDWEST BOY. ONLY IN BLOOMINGTON DO WE DO THIS NOWHERE ELSE. I'VE NEVER SEEN IT. EVERYONE ELSE IF IT'S ON YOUR BUS, YOUR PROPERTY RUNS IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE, RUNS INSIDE YOUR HOUSE. YOU AS A PROPERTY OWNER ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT. WE HAVE WRITTEN IN OUR CITY CODE THAT THAT'S WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN. I REMEMBER GROWING UP LIKE MY DAD TOOK PRIDE LIKE THE SNOW IS COMING. COME ON GUYS, GET OUT THERE. GUYS PLOW AND SHOVEL OUR DRIVEWAY. GO POLISH OVER SIDEWALKS AND WHEN I HAVE AN ELDERLY NEIGHBOR WHO CAN'T GET OUT THERE GUESS HE WAS DOING IT FROM THE AGE OF FIVE UNTIL I MOVED OUT OF MY PARENTS HOUSE . I WAS OUT THERE SHOVELING MY NEIGHBOR'S DRIVEWAY BECAUSE SHE CAN DO IT SO I'M THINKING AND LOOKING AND CONSIDERING THIS AND BLOOMINGTON LOVES TO DO THIS THING WHERE WE SET UP ORDINANCES AND THEN WE SAY OH WE COULD DO A LITTLE MORE, WE COULD DO A LITTLE MORE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT DOESN'T FOLLOW THE ORDINANCE ANYMORE. ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE SPENDING $60,000 A YEAR MORE BECAUSE WE HAVE LAWN REPAIR BECAUSE WE HAVE WORKER'S COMP BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO CONSIDERABLY MORE JUST TO PLOW A DRIVEWAY OR A SIDEWALK WHEN IT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE HOMEOWNER. AND SO TO BREAK US OUT OF THE CYCLE WHERE WE CONTINUE TO ADD MORE AND MORE TO OUR LIST OF TO DO'S THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO STOP AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE I DON'T CARE ABOUT RESIDENTS. IT'S NOT BECAUSE I DON'T CARE ABOUT SENIORS. IT'S BECAUSE IT'S THE EXPECTATION OF THE CITY THAT WE DO EVERYTHING AND THEN OUR TAXES ARE SKY HIGH. YOU'RE WONDERING WHY ARE TAXES ARE SO HIGH? EVY $60,000 BILL THAT WE HAVE HERE ADDS UP. AND SO THE MORE THAT WE CAN REDUCE, THE MORE THAT WE CAN SHARE THE COMMUNITY, THE MORE THAT WE CAN BUILD THIS TOGETHER, THE MORE EFFICIENT OUR COMMUNITY BECOMES, THE MORE WE BUILD CONNECTIONS IN OUR COMMUNITIES. I MEAN I THIS WINTER I LITERALLY I WENT TO A BURGER KING BECAUSE I WAS LIKE I'M HUNGRY. I GOT TO GET SOMETHING FOR LUNCH. I GOT TO GET BACK TO A MEETING . I RAN TO ONE OF OUR SIDEWALKS AND THE PLOW OPERATORS HERE'S A YOUNG GUY LITERALLY LOOKED EXHAUSTED. HE SAID I'VE BEEN UP SINCE 2 A.M.. THIS THING ROCKS ME AROUND EVERYWHERE MY BACK HURTS AND HE'S LIKE 22 SO TAKE CARE AND SAY WE CARE ABOUT OUR STAFF AND THEY SAY YOU CAN CONTINUE TO DO THIS UNTIL YOU LITERALLY YOUR BACK IS OUT. WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT THE VALUES THAT WE HAVE AS A CITY ? WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT US WHEN IT SNOWS SIX INCHES AND NO ONE BOTHERS TO GO OUTSIDE AND HELP THEIR NEIGHBORS CLEAR THEIR SIDEWALKS? NO ONE BOTHERED TO GO CHECK IN ON ANYBODY. IF I SEE MY NEIGHBOR HASN'T CLEAR THEIR SNOW OR THEIR SIDEWALK IN 24 HOURS, GUESS WHO'S KNOCKING ON THE DOOR AND MAKING SURE EVERYTHING'S OKAY. IT'S ME. SO I'M LOOKING AT THIS AS A NOT ONLY IS THIS A USE OF CITY FUNDS THAT COULD BE BETTER USE SOMEWHERE ELSE BUT HOW CAN WE BETTER DEVELOP THE COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS THAT WE USED TO HAVE? I REMEMBER BEING A KID WE USED TO ALWAYS HAVE THAT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU WERE 90 OR 5 YEARS OLD EVERYONE IS HELPING EACH OTHER WHEN WEATHER EVENTS HAPPEN AND WE LIVE IN THE MIDWEST WE KNOW SNOW HAPPENS. IT IS NOT A SURPRISE AND SO I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THIS COME FORWARD TO SEE THE CITY TAKE A STEP BACK AND START DOING EVERYTHING SO THAT WE ACTUALLY CAN TAKE SOMETHING OFF THE LEVY. IN MY RECOMMENDATION I WOULD LOVE TO SEE US EVEN GET RID OF THE MAJOR COLLECTORS IF IT DOESN'T HAVE A BOULEVARD. OKAY I GET IT WALKING ON THOSE SIDEWALKS RIGHT NEXT TO THE STREET WITH NOTHING TO TO BE A BUFFER FOR YOU IS TERRIFYING. I FEEL TERRIFIED SEEING KIDS WALK DOWN THOSE ROADS. I WOULD SUPPORT CONTINUING TO PLOW THOSE SIDEWALKS THAT ABUT RIGHT UP NEXT TO THE ROAD. WHAT IF IT'S GOT A BOULEVARD ON IT? I WANT TO GET RID OF IT BECAUSE THAT'S THE HOMEOWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY. IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THEN IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY FISCALLY TO FIND ANY SAVINGS THAT WE CAN AND RETURN IT BACK TO A TAXPAYERS TO GET TO A PLACE WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY PROVIDE SERVICES THAT MEET WHAT RESIDENTS ARE LOOKING FOR. AND I'LL BE HONEST I TRY TO BEAT YOU GUYS OUT TO MY SIDEWALK EVERY TIME IT SNOWS. I JUST DO A MUCH BETTER JOB AT IT. I CAN CLEAR MY NEIGHBORS IN A MUCH FASTER WAY THAN YOU CAN BECAUSE IT GOES UP. IT GETS TURNS INTO AN ICE RINK AND SO MY NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE DOGS WHO WALK THEIR DOGS LIKE IT'S JUST NOT SAFE FOR THEM. SO WE TALK ABOUT WALKABILITY. THAT'S PART OF IT TOO. SO MY LONG RANT TO SAY I'M EXCITED TO SEE THIS HAPPEN I'M EXCITED FOR US TO RESET THOSE EXPECTATIONS AND GET BACK TO COMMUNITY BUILDING WHERE WE HELP EACH OTHER OUT AND NOT JUST SAY HEY, THE CITY CAN DO THIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER LET'S REMEMBER NELSON THANK YOU MAYOR. A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS FIRST IN OTHER CITIES WHERE PEOPLE ARE SHOVELING A LOT OF THEIR SIDEWALKS TO HAVE ANY IDEA OF THE COMPLIANCE RATES, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ALL OF THEM. I DO KNOW THERE'S IN MINNEAPOLIS IF YOU DON'T DO IT AND THE CITY HAS TO COME DO IT, YOU GET CHARGED FOR IT. SO THEY MUST HAVE SOME METRICS BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DO IN OTHER CITIES THE PEER COMMUNITIES YOU LOOKED AT SO DO WE KNOW HOW WELL PEOPLE ARE DOING ABOUT BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS? THEY DON'T YEAH. SO MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER NELSON I REMEMBER THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WE DIDN'T GET TOO MUCH FEEDBACK. WE CONTACTED A COUPLE SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE WE HAD CONTACTS WITHIN THOSE CITIES AND THEIR NUMBERS WEREN'T TOO HIGH. WE UNDERSTAND THAT WOULD BE A WE'D BE TAKING RESOURCES AWAY FROM SIDEWALK PLASTIC PLOWING SO WE WOULD NEED SOME RESOURCES FOR ENFORCEMENT. BUT OUR BELIEF AND UNDERSTANDING FROM THOSE OTHER CITIES IS THAT THE COMPLIANCE FAR OUTWEIGHS THE OUTLIERS WHO DON'T CLEAR THEIR SIDEWALK AND LIKE COUNCILMEMBER SAID LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE LIKE ARE THEY THEY CAN GET THROUGH IT IN TIME. I'LL GET THERE SIDEWALK REAL QUICK WE'RE AT THE PARK COMMISSION CHAIRMAN EXPANSION IS LIKE I LIKE TO DO MY SIDE I LIKE TO DO MY DRIVEWAY AND THEN I'LL GO DO MY NEIGHBORS TOO BECAUSE I JUST ENJOY IT DURING OUR ENGAGEMENT A LOT OF GUYS ARE SAYING OH YEAH, I RACE DOWN THE SIDEWALK JUST TO GET DONE BEFORE MY NEIGHBORS DO SO IT'S A CONCERN OF OURS ABOUT ENFORCEMENT BUT WE'RE ALSO ANXIOUS AS DAVE SAID FIRST YEAR WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO FIND ANYBODY IS GOING TO BE FOCUSED ON EDUCATION AND MAKING SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE'RE OUR EXPECTATIONS ARE AND THEN JUST ENSURING THAT IT'S A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. SO I'LL PROBABLY SEND AN EMAIL TO SANDRA JONATHAN AND LET HIM KNOW MY ADDRESS SO IF I HAVEN'T SEEN MY DRIVEWAY IN TERMS OF THE SAVINGS WE TALKED ABOUT YARD REPAIRS. DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT COSTS AS PER YEAR? SO WE HAD ABOUT 80 THIS YEAR THAT WE HAVE TO REPAIR AND I WILL ALSO ECHO A COMMENT I FORGET WHO MADE THAT I USED TO RECEIVE CALLS ABOUT THIS EVERY SPRING AND I DON'T THINK I HAVE FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS WHICH I ASSUME MEANS YOU GUYS ARE ON TOP OF IT GETTING OUT THERE RIGHT AWAY AND TAKING YOU KIND OF HAVE AN IDEA WHERE THINGS WENT OVERALL. SO I APPRECIATE THAT PROACTIVE BEHAVIOR NOT JUST WAITING FOR A CALL AND OTHERWISE WHATEVER IT'S YOUR PROBLEM. SO BUT IS THERE A COST ASSESSMENT OF THAT? SO MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER NELSON, OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS SO WE ARE TRACKING THAT RIGHT NOW FOR THIS WINTER. SO WE HAVE A TIME ENTRY CODE. I DON'T HAVE THE DATA RIGHT NOW AND WE'RE NOT COMPLETELY DONE WITH ALL OF IT BUT WE'RE HAVING OUR STAFF ENTER THEIR TIME ACCORDINGLY AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT NUMBER PULLED OUT FROM OUR OTHER DATA. ARE THERE WAGES AND BENEFITS? SO TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT WE ANTICIPATE OF BEING ASKED. SO THAT SOUNDS REALLY GOOD. JUST IN TERMS OF MY THOUGHTS IN GENERAL I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS. MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS WHEN I LOOK AT COSTS I LOOK AT COSTS AS A WHOLE AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS SAVES THE CITY MONEY. WHAT I DON'T KNOW IS THAT IT SAVES RESIDENTS MONEY IF WHAT I THINK IT DOES IS CONSOLIDATE THE COSTS TO JUST FEWER PEOPLE AND I THINK THOSE COSTS ULTIMATE ARE MUCH HIGHER IF YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT YOU KNOW VARIOUS NEIGHBORHOODS WILL HAVE TO DO TO PAY SOMEBODY HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO HAVE THEIR WHOEVER PLOWS THEIR DRIVEWAY TO ADD SHOVELING SERVICES TO IT? I MEAN I ASKED FOR A QUOTE AND NOBODY PLOW MY DRIVEWAY BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT PROBLEM. BUT SHOVEL IT WAS YOU KNOW, IT WAS A COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS, YOU KNOW AND IF WE HAVE THAT FOR MULTIPLE PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW, GET SOMEBODY TO DO THEIRS, WE'RE JUST PUTTING THAT BURDEN ON FEWER PEOPLE. AND ULTIMATELY I'M CONCERNED THAT THE COST IS EVEN HIGHER TO THE COMMUNITY OF OF US NOT PROVIDING WE CAN ACTUALLY PROVIDE THIS SERVICE AT A LOWER COST TO THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY AND TO A CERTAIN EXTENT SIDEWALKS ARE PART OF OUR NETWORK JUST LIKE OUR ROADS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND THERE ARE COMMUNITY ASSET LIKE I CAN WALK ON THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE AND YOU CAN'T TELL ME NOT TO. YOU MIGHT WANT TO BUT YOU KNOW I HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT. THERE ARE COMMUNITY ASSET AND SO I DO STRUGGLE WITH THAT THAT WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY INCREASE NOT ONLY THE COST TO A FEW PEOPLE BUT INCREASE THE COST OVERALL IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN COMMUNITY ASSETS AND SO AND AND THAT'S NOT A REALLY GREAT ANSWER. I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE SOME FEEDBACK HERE ON KIND OF THE TWO THOUGHTS IN MY MIND BECAUSE I DO AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUE COUNCILMEMBER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TAKING CARE OF YOUR NEIGHBOR AND TAKING CARE OF YOUR YARD AND AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU KNOW, IT WORKS IN OUR COMMUNITIES AND THEY DO TAKE CARE OF IT AND AND ALL THAT. MY ONLY QUESTION IS AT WHAT OVERALL COST TO THAT COMMUNITY AND IS THIS WAY A LOWER COST WAY OF DOING THAT AND I DON'T HAVE A GREAT ANSWER TO THAT. JUST THAT'S THE QUESTION IN MY MIND. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. LET'S REMEMBER CARTER SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. SO YOU SAID THE FEEDBACK FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WAS THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE SIDEWALKS. DID THEY GIVE ANY OTHER FEEDBACK OR WAS THAT PRIMARILY MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER CARTER CITY COUNCIL? THAT WAS ONE BIG TAKEAWAY THAT WE GOT AND JUST TO BE CLEAR ON THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT IF THERE WERE LOW VOLUME RESIDENTIAL ROADS ADJACENT TO THEIR SCHOOLS THEY WOULD NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES TO KEEP THOSE CLEAR. SO IF WE GOT THAT OUT OF THEM AND THEN OF COURSE THEY LOOKED AT THIS AS A SERVICE REDUCTION AND THIS YOU KNOW, THEY WERE IN NO WAY IN FAVOR OF THAT FOR THEIR WALKING STUDENTS. WE ASK QUESTIONS AROUND SO THEY KNOW HOW MANY KIDS WOULD LIVE IN IN AN AREA THAT WASN'T SERVED BY BUSSING BUT THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THEM WOULD BE DROPPED OFF TO SCHOOL. WE TRIED TO LOOK AT WHAT WE KNOW ON SNOW DAY IS THAT MORE PEOPLE DROP KIDS OFF BUT THEY HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHETHER THOSE KIDS WERE SUPPOSED TO WALK OR THEY JUST TO ALL THE WAY TO SCHOOL OR WALK TO THE BUS STOP. SO THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT AND GOT. AND SO THEN WE THE DECISION WAS THEN IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS APPROACH THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE SIDEWALKS. AND YOU SAID IT WAS AN ADDITIONAL I THINK FIVE MILES FOR THE SIDEWALKS ADJACENT TO THE SCHOOLS. SO THAT'S TOTAL BUT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR JUST LIKE THE DISTANCE AROUND THE SCHOOL? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, IT WAS IT JUST LIKE LITERALLY THE SIDEWALKS AROUND THE BUILDING. YEAH. OKAY. THAT WOULD GO BACK TO THEM AS THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER. OKAY. THEY DON'T HAVE THE STAFF OR THE EQUIPMENT AT THE SCHOOLS AND IT WOULD COST THEM FRANKLY TAXPAYER MONEY TO INVEST IN THAT AND STAFF UP FOR IT AND EQUIPMENT FOR FIVE MILES. IT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD ADD IN. SO THEN WE SO WE WOULD BE PLOWING THOSE BUT IF THERE WERE ANY OTHER LIKE I'M THINKING ABOUT WASHBURN AND HAS XERXES RIGHT LIKE WE WOULD DO AROUND WASHBURN ELEMENTARY RIGHT RIGHT NOW ELEMENTARY NOT FUTURE ELEMENTARY BUT BUT NOT XERXES WHICH STUDENTS MIGHT USE TO WALK TO THAT SCHOOL PERHAPS I DON'T HAVE XERXES IS READ ON THE MAP OKAY SO I ASSUME NO THEN WE WOULDN'T BE A POWER RIGHT? CORRECT. CORRECT. OKAY. AND THEN I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME PLACES ON THIS MAP THAT ARE MARKED RED AND THE ROUTES ARE BUS ROUTES. SO WOULD WE STILL PLOW THE BUS STOPS OR WOULD THOSE JUST NOT BE PLOWED? SO I'M THINKING ABOUT LIKE COLLEGE VIEW ONE SIDE IS BLACK SO IT WOULD BE ALLOWED BY US BUT THE OTHER SIDE IS RED AND HAS BUS STOPS ON IT. THAT METRO TRANSIT BUS STOPS. WE DIDN'T CONSIDER THOSE IN IN THIS PROJECT. OKAY TO BE HONEST WITH YOU OKAY THAT WOULD BE ONE CONCERN I WOULD HAVE IS JUST ESSENTIALLY YEAH YEAH SO THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS BUS STOP LOCATIONS AND I MEAN I KNOW I KNOW WE'VE HEARD ABOUT THOSE OVER THE YEARS TO JUST NOT GETTING PLOWED AND WHO'S RESPONSIBLE AND ALL THAT AND THEN AGAIN I'M JUST LIKE USING COLLEGE YOU AS THE EXAMPLE SO ONE SIDE AGAIN IS BLACK SO WE WOULD BE PLOWING THAT THE OTHER SIDE IS RED AND THERE'S SIDEWALKS BUT IT'S LIKE IT'S PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS THE FENCE AND THEN IT'S THE SIDEWALK. SO THOSE PEOPLE IT WOULD BE THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO PLOW THAT SIDEWALK THERE. COUNCILMEMBER CARTER THAT MAY HAVE BEEN A HICCUP IN THE OKAY SYSTEM THERE IT WAS. I WAS STARING AT GUYS FOR EXTENDED TIME AS I WAS MAKING THESE MAPS AND SO I MEAN THERE ARE JUST PROBABLY LIKE SPOTS LIKE THAT WHERE I'M JUST LIKE WELL WHY LIKE WHAT? YOU KNOW THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOK AT WAS DOES IT GO ALONG THE SIDE OF THEIR HOUSE? IS IT IN THEIR BACKYARD? SO THINGS LIKE 90TH STREET OVER NEAR THE HIGH SCHOOL FIELD 90TH AND NEAR THERE WHERE IT'S IN THEIR BACKYARDS I WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP LIKE YOU'RE EXPECTING ME TO LUG A SNOWBLOWER AROUND THE BLOCK JUST TO GO DO IT. SO WE WERE LIKE DON'T LIKE WE'RE NOT EXPECTING ANYTHING. WE JUST WANT FEEDBACK. SO THAT'S WHAT'S TAKEN TO ACCOUNT. THAT'S A QUICK ADJUSTMENT. OKAY. YEAH I WOULD JUST SAY MAYBE DO IT LIKE ONCE OVER A ONCE OVER OF THE MAP JUST TO LIKE GET RID OF ANY OF THOSE BECAUSE THAT WAS I MEAN A COUPLE OF THE SPOTS I WAS LIKE OOH, THOSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PLOW THOSE SIDEWALKS LIKE THAT DOESN'T SEEM QUITE FAIR. SO THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. I WILL SAY LIKE WHEN I FOUND OUT THAT OUR ORDINANCE WAS ACTUALLY THAT WE DO NOT PLOW RESIDENTIAL LIKE PRIVATE SIDEWALKS BUT THAT WE ACTUALLY DO I WAS KIND OF CONFUSED BY THAT AND AS SOMEBODY WHO I DON'T HAVE A SIDEWALK WE DON'T HAVE SIDEWALKS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I WAS LIKE WAIT SO I'M PAYING TO HAVE SIDEWALKS PLOWED THAT ARE PRIVATE IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY LIKE THAT DOESN'T DO WHAT I MEAN LIKE IT DOESN'T SEEM TOTALLY FAIR. HOWEVER OF COURSE I SEE THE VALUE IN HAVING ALL THE SIDEWALKS PLOWED FOR ALL OF THE REASONS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT. SO MY MIND HAS SHIFTED ON THAT BUT KIND OF IN MY MIND THE REASON THAT WE WERE GOING DOWN THIS PATH WAS TO HAVE OUR ORDINANCE IN ALIGNMENT WITH OUR PRACTICES. YES. AND THEN ALSO I MEAN WE'RE LOOKING FOR ALL KINDS OF WAYS TO SAVE MONEY, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS LOOMING TAX LEVY AS COUNCILMEMBER MOUA TALKED ABOUT. AND SO I AM IN GENERAL SUPPORTIVE OF I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT OR ABOUT THE ROADS AROUND SCHOOLS ESPECIALLY AS WE HAVE WORKED HARD TO IMPROVE SAFETY AROUND SCHOOLS FOR KIDS TO WALK AND BIKE TO SCHOOL AND THEN ALSO BUS STOPS. SO THERE MIGHT JUST BE SOME AREAS THAT NEED TO BE LOOKED AT AGAIN BUT THOSE WOULD BE MY COMMENTS. OKAY. THANK YOU. DURING THE BEGINNING UP THERE TO WORK WITH AS I TOOK NOTES I THINK GOOD WORK. HEY MAN I COULD HEAR ZIMMER JUST GO COUNCILMEMBER REVISED TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE THANK YOU YOU MENTIONED IN ABOUT 50,000 TO $60,000 AND A HALF IN SAVINGS AND I CORRECT AND THAT WAS THAT ABOUT COUNCILMEMBER WAS MAYOR COUNCILMEMBERS THE 50 TO $60,000 WAS IN EQUIPMENT COSTS OF REPAIR MAINTENANCE FUEL THAT WAS ON THAT I DID NOT PUT A DOLLAR FIGURE TO THE HOURS THE 925 HOURS AND THEY HAVE 50 WAS IN RELATION TO THE REPAIRS NO REFORM OF THE EQUIPMENT. WHAT WAS WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT? THAT WAS IF WE HAD OUR ROUTES AT 13 MILES AND DIDN'T SPEND THAT ADDITIONAL TIME PLOWING SIDEWALKS, WHAT WILL WE DO INSTEAD OF SPENDING ALL THAT TIME PLOWING SIDEWALKS? KEVIN DID ALL THE MATH ON IT AND AND CAME UP WITH THE NUMBER OF 925 HOURS OF STAFF TIME THAT WOULD NOT BE SPENDING WE WOULD NOT SPEND PLOWING SIDEWALKS IF WE IMPLEMENTED THIS MAP AND THEN THAT EQUATES TO ROUGHLY A HALF OF AN FTE SO FULL TIME EMPLOYMENT IS 20 80 HOURS SO WE'RE ABOUT A THOUSAND. THANKS FOR THE CODIFICATION. I DO HAVE ONE COMMENT. YOU KNOW IT SOUNDED KIND OF AND TO ME IS IRRELEVANT I PAID FOR MY SITE MY DRIVEWAY TO BE PLOWED AND I CAN TELL YOU I PAY $1,400 FOR THE SEASON TO GET IT DONE. AND THE REASON I STARTED DOING IT IS BECAUSE I WAS HAVING A HARD TIME WHEN THE PLOW GOES BY AND LEFT ALL THE ICE CHUNKS IN THE DRIVEWAY I COULD BARELY MOVE THEM SO I STARTED PAYING FOR THAT. IT'S A LOT OF MONEY FOR A RESIDENT TO PAY FOR THAT FOR SOMEBODY ON A FIXED INCOME THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT AND I'M ASSUMING BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A LOT OF FOR ONE CASE SAVE WHEN YOU RETIRE YOU CAN PROBABLY DO THAT I GUESS BUT THAT SAID OR ISN'T IT REALLY BAD WHEN YOU MENTION THAT YOU HAD TIME TO GO TO AN ICE RINK AND CLEAN IT FOR PEOPLE AND THAT DOESN'T SOUND VERY ATTRACTIVE TO THE PUBLIC. YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE TIME TO GO CLEAN UP AN ICE RINK WHILE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THEIR SIDEWALK. SO YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S JUST FOR THE PUBLIC AGAIN, IT REALLY DOESN'T BOTHER ME ONE BIT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER BUT IT JUST THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO A LOT OF PEOPLE TO HEAR THAT A THAT'S ALL I GATHER. THANK YOU. I MEAN IT'S A LOT OF WORK THAT YOU HAVE PUT INTO THIS AND I YOU KNOW, TO A CERTAIN DEGREE I AGREE I WILL HAVE TO WAIT TO DO IT BECAUSE I DON'T REALLY CARE TO DO IT. IT USED TO BE FUN WHEN I WAS YOUNG AND NOT ANYMORE BUT THANK YOU. I KNOW YOU PUT A LOT OF TIME INTO THIS AND YOU KNOW IF IT WORKS GREAT IF IT DOESN'T BUT I TOTALLY DON'T SUPPORT IT. I'M SORRY TO SAY THAT BUT I DON'T I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER CURRIER, THE CLARIFYING QUESTION YEAH, JUST CLARIFYING. SO WE HAD THE THE SAVINGS THE 60,000 IN SAVINGS FROM THE EQUIPMENT AND MAINTENANCE AND FUEL AND THEN THERE WAS LIKE 11,000 IN OVERTIME AND THEN IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'LL HAVE MORE INFORMATION FOR US ON THE COST SAVINGS FOR JUST LIKE PROPERTY DAMAGE AND ALL OF THAT WHICH I IMAGINE IS GOING TO BE PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL AND WOULD THERE BE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU CAN THINK OF THOSE ARE THAT'S PART OF THE ONE MISSING COST SAVINGS THAT I KNOW I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS CORRECT. OKAY. COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN, THANK YOU. JUST ONE REALLY QUICK QUESTION. DO WE PLOW THE TRAILS ACROSS THE CITY? MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER LOWMAN CITY COUNCIL YES. THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS. THOSE A THE WIDE BITUMINOUS TRAILS. WE PLOW THOSE WITH A PICK UP AND DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT SO THAT'S ANOTHER 30 OR 40 MILES ON TOP OF THAT OF THAT'S DIFFERENT THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS THIS DISCUSSION. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO JUST GET THAT CLEAR IN MY MIND. WE PLOW THE TRAILS THAT ARE THAT ARE OUT THERE. SO LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, NORMAN DALE WOULD BE A TRAIL, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, SO YEAH, GOOD QUESTION AND WE CAN WE CAN WORK TO CLARIFY THAT AND MAYBE ADD THAT IN TO LIKE SOME DETAILS ON YEAH THE ONLY REASON WHY I ASKED THAT IS AND I'LL JUST SAY IS THAT'S PART OF MY EQUITY QUESTION BECAUSE I KNOW YOU KNOW DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY HAVE DIFFERENT THINGS AND SO THAT'S REALLY WHERE MY QUESTION IS. SO WE'VE GOT AN EXPECTATION AROUND WHAT WE PLOW THAT WE DO THAT THOSE 30 MILES AND THAT WOULD BE QUITE BE CURIOUS ABOUT HOW OTHER CITIES HANDLE THAT AS WELL. LET'S MOVE ON ALSO A CLARIFYING QUESTION SO THE FOLKS WHO DO THE PLOWING, THEY'RE PART MAINTENANCE EMPLOYEES, IS THAT CORRECT? SO THEY'RE NOT PUBLIC WORKS EMPLOYEES. THEY'RE PARK MAINTENANCE EMPLOYEES MAYOR CITY COUNCIL. YES. WELL THERE'S THERE'S THERE'S A MIX BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE SIDEWALK PLOW ROUTES ARE STAFFED BY PARK MAINTENANCE MAINTENANCE EMPLOYEES AND WE DO GET SOME HELP FROM UTILITIES AND OTHER OTHER OTHER DEPARTMENTS AS WE CAN. BUT THEY'RE GOO. ALL RIGHT. YEP. SO YOU'LL BE BACK BEFORE US IN JULY. YOU'LL BE BACK WITH THE PARK AND THEN THE CITY COUNCIL IN JULY. YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO GET FEEDBACK ON A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT WAYS ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL MOVING FORWARD AND THEN WE'LL I'M ASSUMING IT'S GOING BE A PUBLIC HEARING IN JULY AS WE AS WE AMEND THE ORDINANCE AND KIND OF HAMMER ALL THROUGH THIS AND THEN WE'LL FIGURE OUT FROM THERE. ALL RIGHT, GENTLEMEN, THANKS MUCH. APPRECIATE IT TONIGHT AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANKS, SPEAKER COUNCIL BECAUSE WE JUMPED AHEAD AND ACTUALLY DID ITEM 5.2 EARLIER. WE HAVE REACHED THE END OF OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING AND I WOULD NOW ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN SO MOVED. SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER CARTER TO ADJOURN THIS EVENING NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO AND WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU COUNCIL FOR THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT. 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