This transcript is from a meeting of the **Minneapolis City Planning Commission**. Based on the roll call and contextual introductions, the speakers are a mix of Planning Commissioners (different from the City Council list provided), City Staff (CPED), and members of the public. [0:16] CHEER CLEAR [0:33] **Alyssa Olson (President):** GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY. WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION. TODAY IS MONDAY, OCTOBER 16, 2023. MY NAME IS ALYSSA OLSON, PRESIDENT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THE CITY WILL RECORDING AND POSTING THIS MEETING TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND YOUTUBE CHANNEL AS A MEANS OF INCREASING PUBLIC ACCESS AND TRANSPARENCY. [0:52] **Clerk:** THIS MEETING IS PUBLIC AND SUBJECT TO THE MINNESOTA OPEN MEETING LAW. AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER ALPER. >> PRESENT. >> BAXLEY. >> HERE. >> CAMPBELL. >> HERE. [1:08] **Clerk:** >> CONLEY. ABSENT. EMERICK. >> HERE. >> FORD. >> HERE. >> KOSKI. >> PRESENT. >> MARWAH. >> HERE. >> MEYER. >> HERE. >> OLSON. >> HERE. >> WE HAVE NINE MEMBERS PRESENT. >> WE HAVE A QUORUM. [1:23] **Alyssa Olson (President):** WITH THAT, WE'LL PROCEED TO THE AGENDA. A COPY OF WHICH WAS POSTED FOR PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE CITY' LEGISLATIVE INFORMATION MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, AVAILABLE AT LIM.MINNEAPOLISMN.GOV. WE'LL BEGIN WITH ACCEPTANCE OF THE MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 2, 2023. [1:40] **Alyssa Olson (President):** COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THOSE MINUTES? >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? [1:56] **Alyssa Olson (President):** THAT MOTION PASSES. THE MINUTES ARE ADOPTED. NEXT WE'RE GOING TO ORGANIZE OUR AGENDA FOR THE EVENING, WHICH IS, AGAIN, AVAILABLE AT WE LIMS.MINNEAPOLISMN.GOV AND THERE ARE COPIES RIGHT THERE. [2:19] **Alyssa Olson (President):** I'LL READ THROUGH AGENDA ITEMS AND NUMBERS AN ADDRESS WHETHER THEY ARE SLATED FOR CONSENT, CONTINUANCE, RETURN, WITHDRAWAL OR DISCUSSION. CONSENT ITEMS WILL BE PASSED WITHOUT DISCUSSION BY THE BOARD AND WE'LL BE ADOPTING THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR THOSE ITEMS. IF YOU AGREE WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, WHEN I CALL THE ITEM, YOU DON'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING. [2:36] **Alyssa Olson (President):** IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WHEN I CALL OUT THAT ITEM, YOU CAN JUST RAISE YOUR HAND, LET US KNOW AND WE'LL PUT IT ON THE DISCUSSION AGENDA. ALL RIGHT. SO THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ARE ON OUR AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING. [2:52] **Alyssa Olson (President):** ITEM FOUR IS 550 WEST LAKE TAX INCREMENT FINANCING PLAN. THIS IS AN OUR CONSENT AGENDA AND THERE WILL NOT BE A PUBLIC HEARING. ITEM FIVE IS 2404 McNAIR AVENUE. STAFF RECOMMENDS FOR CONSENT. [3:08] **Alyssa Olson (President):** ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM FIVE? SEEING NONE, I'LL PUT ITEM FIVE ON CONSENT. ITEM SIX IS 3701 WAYZATA BOULEVARD. THIS ITEM WILL BE CONTINUED TO THE NOVEMBER 13 MEETING. [3:27] **Alyssa Olson (President):** ITEM SEVEN IS 1650 AND 1700 KENWOOD PARKWAY. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THIS ITEM FOR CONSENT. IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON ITEM SEVEN? SEEING NONE, WE'LL PUT ITEM SEVEN ON CONSENT. [3:43] **Alyssa Olson (President):** ITEM EIGHT IS 3801 PLEASANT AVENUE. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THIS ITEM FOR CONSENT. IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM EIGHT? SEEING NONE, WE'LL PUT EIGHT ON CONSENT. ITEM NINE, TWO PUBLIC ALLEYS ADJACENT TO 2501 STEVENS AVENUE. [4:03] **Alyssa Olson (President):** STAFF RECOMMENDS FOR CONSENT. ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM NINE? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL PUT NINE ON CONSENT. ITEM TEN IS 5005 LYNDALE AVENUE. [4:20] **Alyssa Olson (President):** WE'LL DISCUSS ITEM TEN. ITEM 11, AMENDMENT TITLE 20, THIS WAS CONTINUED FROM THE JULY 27, 2023 MEETING. WE'LL PUT IT ON OUR DISCUSSION AGENDA. [4:39] **Alyssa Olson (President):** ITEM 12 IS 900 20TH AVENUE SOUTH. THIS ITEM WAS CONTINUING FROM THE OCTOBER 2, 2023 MEETING. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THIS ITEM FOR CONSENT. IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM 12? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, WE'LL PUT ITEM 12 ON CONSENT. [4:56] **Alyssa Olson (President):** SO TO REVIEW, WE HAVE ITEMS 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, 12 ON CONSENT. WE'LL DISCUSS ITEMS 10 AND 11 AND WE'LL CONTINUE ITEM 6 TO NOVEMBER 13. [5:12] **Alyssa Olson (President):** CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AS AMENDED? >> [OFF MIC]. >> ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? [5:28] **Alyssa Olson (President):** ANY ABSTENTIONS? ALL RIGHT, THAT MOTION PASSES. AND THE AGENDA HAS BEEN ADOPTED. WE WILL PROCEED TO HANDLE THE CONSENT AGENDA NEXT. FIRST WE'LL VOTE ON CONSENT ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THAT DON'T HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND AFTER WE HAVE DONE THAT, WE'LL PROCEED TO OUR PUBLIC HEARING CONSENT ITEMS. [5:47] **Alyssa Olson (President):** CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT ITEM FOUR, WEST LAKE TAX INCREMENT FINANCING PLAN ON CONSENT. >> SO MOVE. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. [6:02] **Alyssa Olson (President):** ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? ALL RIGHT, THAT MOTION PASSES. AND NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE REST OF OUR CONSENT ITEMS. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THE CONSENT ITEMS? [6:19] **Alyssa Olson (President):** I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THOSE NOW? YOU WANT -- WHICH NUMBER DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON? OKAY. IF YOU CAN GO TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE RECORD. [6:35] **Public Speaker (Item 5 Applicant/Supporter):** [INDISCERNIBLE] I VERY MUCH SUPPORT IT. THAT IS THE HOUSE I WANT THE BUY. IT IS A LOT SPLIT. I SAW THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANYTHING CONTROVERSIAL. I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS IS THE LAST TIME BEFORE I BUY IT THIS . I CAME FROM CALIFORNIA TWO YEARS AGO AND I'M EXCITED TO BUY THE HOUSE AND FOR YOU TO APPROVE IT. [6:55] **Alyssa Olson (President):** ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ON THE CONSENT ITEMS? IF SO, YOU CAN COME FORWARD NOW. STATE YOUR NAME AND NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE RECORD. >> I'M KIND OF LOST. [7:11] **Public Speaker (Neighborhood Resident):** I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> DO YOU KNOW WHAT ITEM NUMBER IT IS? >> IT IS NINE AND BEING CONTINUED FOR TWO CYCLES FOR NOVEMBER 13. >> WE'LL DO THAT ITEM ON NOVEMBER 13, BUT WE AREN'T DOING IT TODAY. [7:31] **Public Speaker (Neighborhood Resident):** YOU AREN'T? THEY SENT THE POST EVERYWHERE TODAY. >> IT WAS CONTINUED. I'M NOT SURE THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THAT. KIMBERLY, IF YOU WANT TO -- >> I WAS EATING ONE OF THE COOKIES THAT COMMISSIONER ALPER WAS PASSING AND. >> [INDISCERNIBLE] PROVIDE MORE DETAIL. [7:47] **Kimberly Holien (Staff):** I BELIEVE THE CONTENT OF THE CONTINUANCE TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT MORE TIME TO ENGAGE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. >> YEAH, OKAY. SO THEY POST THE WRONG DATE. >> IT WAS ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED, WHICH IS WHY IT WAS ON THE AGENDA. AS PART OF TODAY'S PROCEEDINGS, IT'S BEEN CONTINUED FOR TWO CYCLES. [8:03] **Public Speaker (Neighborhood Resident):** >> OKAY, SO THE 13TH, I SHOULD COME BACK HERE? >> MM-HM. >> WHAT TIME? >> SAME TIME. 4:30. >> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR CONSENT AGENDA. [8:23] **Alyssa Olson (President):** COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO PASS ITEMS 5, 7, 8, 9, 12 ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? >> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE OPPOSED? [8:42] **Alyssa Olson (President):** ANY ABSTENTIONS? THAT MOTION PASSES. SO IF YOU WERE HERE FOR ITEMS 4, 5, 7, 8, 9 OR 12, THOSE ITEMS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED. GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR PROJECT. ALL RIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR CONTINUANCE AGENDA. [9:03] **Alyssa Olson (President):** ITEM SIX, 3701 WAYZATA BOULEVARD -- DID I DO THIS? >> NO. >> OKAY. 3701 WAYZATA BOULEVARD IS UNDER CONSIDERATION TO BE PRESENTED ON NOVEMBER 13. [9:21] **Alyssa Olson (President):** CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEM 6 TO NOVEMBER 13. >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? [9:36] **Alyssa Olson (President):** ANY ABSTENTIONS? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL HEAR ITEM 6 ON NOVEMBER 13. AND NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION ITEMS. AND FIRST UP IS ITEM 10 AND IT IS MEI-LING SMITH. [9:55] **Mei-Ling Smith (Staff):** GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M WITH CPED. THE PROPERTY BEFORE YOU IS 5005 LYNDALE AVENUE SOUTH. DO WE WANT TO CHANGE ANYTHING, KIMBERLY? [10:18] **Alyssa Olson (President):** YEAH, WHY DON'T WE SEE IF WE CAN FIGURE THIS OUT? KIMBERLY, WOULD WE VOTE AS A COMMISSION TO REOPEN -- >> I THINK BECAUSE IT IS AN ITEM BEING CONTINUED, YOU COULD QUICKLY OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING IF YOU WANTED TO SINCE WE'VE A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO IS HERE TONIGHT. [10:37] **Kimberly Holien (Staff):** AND THEN -- I CHASED HER DOWN IN THE HALL AND DIDN'T HAVE THE CHANCE TO COMMUNICATE TO YOU. AND THEN WE CAN JUST LEAVE IT OPEN SINCE IT IS GOING TO BE CONTINUED TO THE 13TH. >> OKAY. ARE ANY COMMISSIONERS OPPOSED TO THAT? WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 6, WHICH IS BEING CONTINUED TO NOVEMBER 13. [10:57] **Celia Robertson (Neighbor):** MY NAME IS CELIA ROBERTSON AND I LIVE 15004 TYRONE TRAIL WHICH IS THE FIRST HOUSE RIGHT NEXT TO THE PARKING LOT THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD THE APARTMENT BUILDING. WE HAVE NEVER RECEIVED ANY NOTICE FROM THE COMPANY THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD AN APARTMENT. IF IT IS NOT A NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZER, THEY SENT OUT A GROUP E-MAIL SAYING ABOUT THIS I WOULD HAVE NO CLUE THIS IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW TODAY. THEY HAVE A TINY LITTLE POST ON THE LAWN AND JUST -- I WALK MY DOG BY IT ALL THE TIME. [11:33] **Celia Robertson (Neighbor):** I THOUGHT IT WAS A LOST AND FOUND SIGN. SECOND OF ALL, THE PARKING LOT LIGHT IS DIRECTLY TO MY BEDROOM. LIKE, RIGHT NOW THEY KIND OF [INDISCERNIBLE] IT AND I HAVE TO PULL DOWN MY CURTAIN EVERY SINGLE NIGHT. IT WAS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT PEOPLE TRIED TO PROTECT LIGHT POLLUTION AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE SO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS VERY MINIMUM STREET LIGHTS. [11:56] **Celia Robertson (Neighbor):** WE TRIED TO KEEP OUR LIGHT DOWN SO THE NATURE CAN BE PRESERVED. IT IS RIGHT BY -- DEERS ARE -- WE HAVE LITERALLY BETWEEN THE PARKING LOT TO MY PROPERTY LINE, THERE IS SEVEN DEER BEDS. THEY ARE THERE EVERY YEAR. [12:12] **Celia Robertson (Neighbor):** AND I JUST THINK THE POLLUTION THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BRING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS GOING TO BE SUBSTANTIAL. YEAH, THAT IS KIND OF -- JUST CONCERNING HOW MUCH TRAFFIC THEY'RE GOING TO BRING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN BETWEEN [INDISCERNIBLE] IT'S BEEN QUIET SO FAR AND SINCE THEY MOVED IN AND -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN, IF THEY BUILD THE APARTMENT BUILDING IN THERE. [12:40] **Celia Robertson (Neighbor):** ARE WE GOING TO HAVE BIG TRAFFIC? BECAUSE BEFORE WHEN WE FIRST MOVED THERE, TARGET WAS JUST ABOUT TO MOVE OUT. AND WHEN THEY ABOUT TO MOVE OUT, WE CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE OF HOW MUCH TRAFFIC IT IS IN THE MORNING FOR US. VERSUS NOW THE OFFICE TOOK OVER AND THERE IS LESS BUSINESS IN THERE. [12:58] **Celia Robertson (Neighbor):** NATURE WISE, IT'S JUST -- ANIMALS ARE GOING TO BE SCARED AWAY AND -- THAT'S ALL. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. I'M GOING TO LEAVE THAT PUBLIC HEARING OPEN UNTIL NOVEMBER 13. [13:13] **Mei-Ling Smith (Staff):** THANK YOU. THIS IS 5005 LYNDALE. AND IT IS LOCATED THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF 50TH STREET WEST AND LYNDALE AVENUE SOUTH IN THE TANGLETOWN NEIGHBORHOOD. THE EXISTING ZONING IS UN3. ALSO IN THE AIRPORT OVERLAY DISTRICT AND CORRIDOR 4 BUILT FORM OVERLAY DISTRICT. HERE IS AN AERIAL THAT SHOWS THE HOUSE. ORIGINALLY IT WAS THREE PARCELS AND SO IT WAS COMBINED TO CREATE THIS LARGER PARCEL THAT IS OVER 11,000 SQUARE FEET. [13:55] **Mei-Ling Smith (Staff):** HERE IS A RENDERING OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. IT WOULD BE A FOUR-STORY BUILDING WITH 20 DWELLING UNITS. THE APPLICATIONS REQUIRED ARE TWO VARIANCES AND SITE PLAN REVIEW. I'LL GET INTO MORE DETAIL WITH THE VARIANCES IN A SECOND. [14:15] **Mei-Ling Smith (Staff):** AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT, THAT IS THE ZONING CODE. THERE IS A 15 FOOT SETBACK ALONG LYNDALE THAT IS BEING MET AND A 31 FOOT SETBACK IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH APPLIES FOR 25 FEET AWAY FROM THE EAST PROPERTY LINE, SHARED WITH THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENTIAL USE. AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO REDUCE IT FROM 31 FEET TO 15 FEET AND THEY MAINTAIN THE SETBACK FOR THE FIRST 39 FEET AWAY FROM THE EAST PROPERTY LINE. THE CORNER SIDE YARD SETBACK REQUIREMENT IS -- THE REMAINDER OF THAT FRONTAGE ON 50TH. [14:51] **Mei-Ling Smith (Staff):** AND THAT'S 10-FOOT REQUIREMENT AND THEY ARE PROPOSING BETWEEN 0 AND 4 FEET FOR VARIOUS ENCROACHMENTS. AND THEN THE REAR PROPERTY LINE -- THE REAR SETBACKS ALONG THE EAST AND SOUTH SIDES OF THE PROPERTY ARE BEING MET. [15:08] **Mei-Ling Smith (Staff):** HERE IS A DIAGRAM THAT SHOWS WHERE THE APPLICABLE SETBACKS ARE. SO THE BLUE SQUARES SHOW WHERE THE APPLICABLE SETBACK IS UNDER THE ZONING CODE. IT IS INTENDED TO MATCH THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE TO THE EAST. AND THAT IS -- AS YOU CAN SEE, THE UNDERLYING SITE PLAN IS 15-FOOT SETBACK. AND THE 15 FEET COMES FROM THE INTENTION, I BELIEVE, TO MEET, LIKE, WHAT A NORMAL FRONT YARD SETBACK WOULD BE UNDER THE ZONING CODE AND THAT IS WHAT YOU SEE ALONG LYNDALE. [15:41] **Mei-Ling Smith (Staff):** AND THE REVERSE CORNER FRONT YARD REQUIREMENT IS 10 FEET AND THEY ARE PROPOSING BETWEEN 0 AND 4. THE PARKING ACCESS WOULD BE FROM 50TH. THERE IS NO ALLEY ADJACENT TO THE SITE. THERE ARE 33 BELOW GRADE PARKING STALLS. [15:58] **Mei-Ling Smith (Staff):** THIS IS THE MAIN FLOOR FLOOR PLAN. THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF AMENITY SPACE AND BIKE PARKING TOWARDS THE CENTER OF THE BUILDING AND FOUR TOWN HOME UNITS FACING LYNDALE AND THE SOUTHEAST CORNER THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL UNIT. THIS IS THE MEZZANINE LEVEL OF THAT FIRST FLOOR. [16:17] **Mei-Ling Smith (Staff):** AND THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOORS EACH HAVE SIX UNITS AND THE TOP FLOOR HAS THREE UNITS. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WITH THIS FLOOR PLAN, THE BUILDING'S SET BACK AWAY FROM THE NORTH, WEST AND SOUTH PROPERTY LINES. HERE IS THE PROPOSED EXTERIOR MATERIALS. [16:35] **Mei-Ling Smith (Staff):** SO YOU SEE TERRA COTTA ON THE LEFT. THAT WOULD BE MAINLY USED ON THE TOP FLOOR. WHITE BRICK IS THE CENTER IMAGE AND STUCCO WOULD BE THE OTHER MATERIALS. HERE ARE THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS. YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE BLANK WALLS SO EAST ELEVATION HAS A 34-FOOT WIDE BLANK WALL ON THE FIRST FLOOR. [16:55] **Mei-Ling Smith (Staff):** THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE PARKING STRUCTURE. THERE IS, LIKE, SOME MESH SCREENING -- OR NO. ACTUALLY THE DETAIL IN THE CENTER OF THAT BLANK WALL IS ACTUALLY A BRICK DETAIL, SO THEY ARE ROTATING THE BRICK COURSING IN ORDER TO CREATE VISUAL INTEREST THERE. NORTH ELEVATION IS FACING 50TH STREET AND THERE IS A BLANK WALL ABOVE THE PARKING GARAGE. [17:39] **Mei-Ling Smith (Staff):** HERE IS ANOTHER RENDERING OF 50TH AND LYNDALE. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING GRANTING ALTERNATIVE COMPLIANCE IF YOU WERE TO APPROVE THE SITE PLAN REVIEW APPLICATION. WE HAVE INCLUDED A MEMO THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED THAT SHOWS IF YOU WERE TO APPROVE THE SITE PLAN REVIEW, WHAT OUR RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WOULD BE. WE RECOMMEND GRANTING ALTERNATIVE COMPLIANCE FOR REASONS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT. I WON'T GET INTO DETAIL RIGHT NOW. [18:14] **Mei-Ling Smith (Staff):** I WILL SUMMARIZE THE VARIANCE FINDINGS FOR YOU. FIRST ONE, THAT CORNER VARIANCE REGARDING THE REVERSE CORNER FRONT YARD. SO 31 FEET IS THE SETBACK THAT IS BASED ON THE FRONT YARD OF THE NEIGHBORING HOUSE. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING 15. AND WE FIND THAT CHALLENGES DO EXIST IN COMPLYING WITH THE ORDINANCE DUE TO CIRCUMSTANCES THAT ARE UNIQUE TO THE PROPERTY. AS I EXPLAINED, THIS IS AN IRREGULARLY PLATTED LOT. IT WAS ORIGINALLY FOUR SMALLER PARCELS. [18:47] **Mei-Ling Smith (Staff):** THE APPLICANT IS TRYING TO BRING IT TO INTENT TO MATCH THE 15 FEET. IF THEY WERE TO COMPLY WITH THE 31 FOOT SETBACK, THAT WOULD SEVERELY LIMIT THE BUILDABLE AREA OF THE SITE. SO WE RECOMMEND GRANTING THIS VARIANCE. THE BUILDING WALL AT FOUR FEET AND THEN OTHER MISCELLANEOUS ENCROACHMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN OUTLINED HERE. [19:26] **Mei-Ling Smith (Staff):** WE FIND CHALLENGES ARE NOT DUE TO UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES WITH THE PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY IS OVER 11,000 SQUARE FEET AND RELATIVELY FLAT. THE UNIT SIZE, THE FLOOR PLAN LAYOUT AND PARKING ORIENTATION, VEHICLE CIRCULATION, COULD ALL BE MODIFIED TO ACCOMMODATE THE 6 FOOT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDING SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. [19:50] **Mei-Ling Smith (Staff):** SOME BELOW GRADE PARKING STALLS COULD BE ELIMINATED. THE VARIANCE WE FIND HAS BEEN CREATED BY THE APPLICANT AND WE FIND THAT THE 10 FOOT SETBACK REQUIRED UNDER THE ZONING CODE WOULD PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SEPARATIONS OF USES AND BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL USES THAT ARE SETBACK 30 TO 20 FEET. AND THE 4-FOOT SETBACK WOULD NOT BE IN KEEPING WITH THE SPIRIT OR INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE. [20:13] **Mei-Ling Smith (Staff):** THIS IS THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOUND IN YOUR PACKETS. WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REVERSE CORNER VARIANCE ONLY AND WE RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE CORNER SIDE YARD SETBACK FROM 4 TO 10 FEET. WE ALSO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE SITE PLAN REVIEW. ELIMINATING THE VARIANCE WOULD REQUIRE SUBSTANTIAL REDESIGN OF THE SITE PLAN. THE GRADING -- INCLUDING THE GRADING FEATURES, RAMP, FLOOR PLAN LAYOUT, PARKING LOT LAYOUT. [20:58] **Mei-Ling Smith (Staff):** IT IS CUSTOMARY FOR STAFF TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE SITE PLAN REVIEW RECOMMENDATION WHEN RECOMMENDING THE VARIANCE THAT WOULD REQUIRE REDESIGN OF THE PROJECT. STAFF HAS RECEIVED NUMEROUS COMMENTS THAT ARE IN THE PACKETS, AND HAVE BEEN FORWARDED TO YOU TODAY. THEY ARE IN SUPPORT AND AGAINST THE PROJECT. [21:17] **Mei-Ling Smith (Staff):** AND I'D LIKE TO NOTE THAT PRIOR TO THE LAND USE REZONING STUDY THAT WAS ADOPTED ON JULY 1, THIS PROPERTY WAS REZONED R1 AND THE PROJECT WAS AFFECTED BY THE RECENT COURT ORDER REGARDING THE MINNEAPOLIS 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE APPLICANT WAS ABLE TO PROCEED UNDER THE FIRST PART OF THE COURT ORDER, BUT WAS ADVISED THERE IS A RISK IN DOING SO. APPLICANT MUST HAVE ALL CITY APPROVALS COMPLETED BEFORE THE SECOND PART OF THE COURT ORDER GOES INTO EFFECT NOVEMBER 5, OR THE PROJECT WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PROCEED. I'M HERE TO STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS. [22:11] **Commissioner Meyer:** THERE ARE FIVE DIFFERENT SETBACK SITES -- CAN YOU POINT OUT ON THE MAP EACH ONE OF THE FIVE FOR US? I'M STILL NOT COMPLETELY FOLLOWING? [22:26] **Mei-Ling Smith (Staff):** OKAY. SO THIS IS A FRONT YARD SETBACK REQUIREMENT ALONG LYNDALE. THIS IS CONSIDERED A CORNER SIDE YARD. THIS IS CONSIDERED A REVERSE CORNER FRONT YARD REQUIREMENT. SO THE REVERSE CORNER COMES FROM THE FACT THAT IT SHARES FRONTAGE WITH THE EXISTING HOUSE TO THE EAST SO THE FRONT YARD REQUIREMENT OBVIOUSLY APPLIES TO THE FIRST 25 FEET. [23:06] **Mei-Ling Smith (Staff):** THE SETBACK REQUEST IS FOR 31 FEET, WHICH WOULD MATCH THE NEIGHBORING HOUSE, BUT THE APPLICANT ONLY PROPOSED 15 FEET. SO WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS VARIANCE BECAUSE OF THE HARDSHIP. WE ARE RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF ANYTHING WITHIN THIS ZONE. SO THIS IS A 10 FEET SETBACK REQUIREMENT. WE HAVE -- THESE ARE THINGS THAT COULD BE EASILY FIXED. A STAIRWAY THAT'S TOO WIDE AND A RAMP AND RETAINING WALL. BUT ALSO THE BUILDING WALL IS 4 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, WHERE 10 FOOT WOULD BE REQUIRED UNDER ZONING CODE. [23:43] **Commissioner Meyer:** I WANT STAFF TO GIVE THEIR RESPONSE TO THE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES THAT THE APPLICANT IS CLAIMING. SO THEY'RE ARGUING THAT THERE'S A 6 FOOT BUFFER AND THERE IS AN ALLEY THAT WAS VACATED. CAN YOU RESPOND WITH YOUR THOUGHTS ON THOSE TWO THINGS? [24:56] **Mei-Ling Smith (Staff):** WE DON'T FIND THERE IS A CHALLENGE MEETING THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE TO BRING IT TO 10 FEET. I THINK THEY'RE DISCUSSING THE FACT THERE IS NO ALLEY, SO THEY HAVE TO ADD ADDITIONAL MANEUVERING BELOW GRADE AND PROVIDE ADDITIONAL PARKING BELOW GRADE. I BELIEVE THAT IS THEIR APPROACH TO THAT VARIANCE FINDING. [25:33] **Commissioner Ford:** TO THE EAST OF THE THIS BUILDING ON 50TH IS THE HOUSE AND UNDER THIS -- LOOKING AGAIN AT THE BLUE SPOT, THE BUILDING WILL PROTRUDE BEYOND -- ALONG THE EAST SIDE OR THE NORTH SIDE? [26:46] **Mei-Ling Smith (Staff):** THAT -- IT WOULD MOSTLY JUST BE BLANK. IT WOULD BE A BLANK WALL. WE HAVE ASKED THE APPLICANT TO TALK ABOUT OR THINK ABOUT HOW IS THE EXHAUST HAPPENING AND THERE WOULD NOT BE EXHAUST IN THAT NORTHEAST CORNER. ANY EXHAUST FROM THE PARKING GARAGE. THAT WOULD BE ALONG THE SOUTHEAST CORNER. [29:17] **Alyssa Olson (President):** I'M NOT SEEING ANYMORE QUESTIONS FROM STAFF. SO I GUESS I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THE APPLICANT HERE TO SPEAK ON THE IT? YEP, IF YOU CAN COME FORWARD. [29:53] **Todd Smith (Applicant):** THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND EFFORTS. MY NAME IS TODD SMITH, I'M THE APPLICANT, DEVELOPER IN SMALL FIRM CALLED MASTER PROPERTIES HERE IN MINNEAPOLIS. I'M HERE TO DISCUSS THE WASHBURN HOUSE, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE CALLING THIS DEVELOPMENT. IT IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF INTENTIONAL, THOUGHTFUL AND CONTEXTUAL INFILL DEVELOPMENT AS ENVISIONED IN THE MINNEAPOLIS 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. [30:16] **Todd Smith (Applicant):** THIS PROJECT OF PROMOTES SIX OF THE 14 GOALS THAT ARE THE BASIS OF 2040. THEY ARE ELIMINATE DISPARITIES, MORE RESIDENTS AND JOBS. AFFORDABLE ACCESSIBLE HOUSING, HIGH QUALITY PHYSICAL ENVIRONMENT, COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOODS AND CLIMATE CHANGE RESILIENCE. AS SOME OF YOU KNOW, THIS PROJECT WAS PRESENTED AT COW ON MAY 11 AND RECEIVED STRONG SUPPORT FROM COMMISSIONERS IN ATTENDANCE, TO THE EXTENT THAT THE COMMITTEE REQUESTED FINDINGS FROM STAFF IN SUPPORT OF THE VARIANCE WE'LL DISCUSS SHORTLY. [31:07] **Todd Smith (Applicant):** PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN APRIL OF 2022 AND WAS ASSIGNED A PLANNER. HE INFORMED ME I COULD NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT AT THE TIME, DESPITE PASSAGE OF MINNEAPOLIS 2040 AND BUILD FORM 4 AND BEING IN A GOOD AND SERVICES CORRIDOR DESIGNATION. SO I WAITED UNTIL THE ZONING WAS UPDATED. IN APRIL OF 2023 WHEN I REQUESTED TO APPEAR AT COW, ALTHOUGH I WASN'T CLEAR IT WAS A NECESSITY, WE WANTED FEEDBACK. AT THAT TIME, STAFF INFORMED ME I NEEDED AN HPC TO MOVE FORWARD. [31:56] **Todd Smith (Applicant):** AFTER TWO SUCCESSFUL HEARINGS AND APPEALS, THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, THE ISSUE HAS BEEN PUT TO BED. HAD I HAD GUIDANCE FROM STAFF TO DO A HISTORICAL REVIEW EARLIER THAN APRIL OF THIS YEAR, THIS PROJECT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN TITLED AND PERMITTED BY NOW. ZONING WAS UPDATED IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR AND THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM HOPED TO BE IN QUEUE AT THAT TIME, BUT WE COULDN'T BECAUSE OF THE HPC PROCESS. AT THIS POINT, A BEST CASE SCENARIO IS TO RECEIVE ENTITLEMENTS AND AT SOME UNKNOWN DATE IN THE FUTURE, BE ABLE TO PULL A CONSTRUCTION PERMIT. [32:37] **Todd Smith (Applicant):** IN RESPONSE TO PDR IN AUGUST, STAFF NOTED SIX VARIANCES WERE REQUIRED. IN SEPTEMBER, AFTER THE STAY WAS LIFTED, STAFF STRONGLY ENCOURAGED THE APPLICANT TO PAUSE THE PROJECT. IN REQUESTING TO COME BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION PRIOR TO THE NOVEMBER 4 DEADLINE WE WERE DENIED BY STAFF. AND HAD TO APPEAL THE REQUEST. WE SUGGESTED THE ARCHITECTURE BE REVISED TO GET RID OF THE 50TH STREET VARIANCE, HAVE A 10 FOOT SETBACK, REDUCE UNITS FROM 20 DOWN TO 19 AND BE APPROVED. [33:37] **Todd Smith (Applicant):** THE WASHBURN HOUSE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THIS ONE VARIANCE, IS A FULLY CONFORMING PROJECT UNDER MINNEAPOLIS 2040. REALLY, IT IS EXACTLY WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS ENCOURAGING TO BE BUILT. I RECOGNIZE THERE IS PEOPLE WHO DON'T AGREE WITH OR LIKE THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE HERE TO DISCUSS. SHOULD THE VARIANCE NOT BE GRANTED TODAY, THE BUILDING CAN BE BUILT ALMOST IDENTICALLY TO WHAT IS SHOWN. IT WILL SHRINK 6 FEET IN DEPTH. THE PARKING LEVEL AND LEVELS 1 AND 2 AND 3 WILL SHRINK BY 6 FEET AND WE'LL LOSE FOUR PARKING STALLS OUT OF 31. [35:06] **Todd Smith (Applicant):** OUR DEVELOPMENT HAS THOUGHT, WALKED, DISCUSSED AND REVIEWED THE PLACEMENT COUNTLESS TIMES AT THIS POINT AND THIS BUILDING IS SITUATED ON THE SITE EXACTLY WHERE IT SHOULD BE. WE HAVE ARRIVED AT THE SAME PLACE WHEN WE PRESENTED AT COW. WE ARE BUILDING A FOUR STORY STRUCTURE THAT IS GOING TO BE HERE FOR 100 PLUS YEARS. LET'S PLACE IT CORRECTLY, INTENTIONALLY AND WITH RECOGNITION OF THE CONTEXTUAL SETTING. [36:48] **Todd Smith (Applicant):** LOOK AT THE THREE FINDINGS FOR VARIANCE. THE FIRST, PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES EXIST IN COMPLYING WITH THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE OF CIRCUMSTANCES UNIQUE TO THE PROPERTY. UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES WERE NOT PROVIDED BY PERSONS CURRENTLY HAVE AN INTEREST IN THE PROPERTY AND NOT BASED ON ECONOMIC CONSIDERATIONS ALONE. TYPICALLY, CONFORMING CITY LOTS ARE PLATTED WITH THE PROPERTY LINE AT THE BACK OF THE SIDEWALK. A PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY EXISTS HERE IN THAT THE SUBJECT PARCEL HAS A LOT LINE THAT IS SET BACK 4 FEET FROM THE BACK OF THE SIDEWALK. IF THIS LOT LINE HAD BEEN PLACED AT BACK OF SIDEWALK AS IS COMMON, WE'D BE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE TO 8 FEET RATHER THAN THE REGULAR GRANTED 10. THE DIFFERENCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS 2 FEET. [38:15] **Todd Smith (Applicant):** THERE IS STACKABLE PARKING SPOTS IMPACTING FOUR PARKING STALLS. NOT TWO AS IT APPEARS. THE VARIANCE ALLOWS FOR BUILDING WALL TO ALIGN WITH FOUNDATION WALL, RESULTING IN A NET GAIN OF 400 UNDERGROUND PARKING SPOTS. DENIAL WOULD RESULT IN THE LOSS OF THESE. I KNOW PARKING ISN'T A REQUIREMENT WITH THE CITY, BUT IN LOOKING AT THE SITE AND LACK OF STREET PARKING ON LYNDALE OR 50TH, IT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE MORE PARKING RATHER THAN LESS. [39:39] **Todd Smith (Applicant):** THIRD FINDING FOR A VARIANCE -- THE PROPOSED VARIANCE LYNDALE AVENUE WHICH TRAVELS NORTH AND SOUTH HAS A 10 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY. THE RIGHT OF WAY EAST OF LYNDALE ON 50TH IS 66 FEET. BY COMPARISON, THE RIGHT OF WAY WEST OF LYNDALE AVENUE IS 63 FEET, NARROWING TO 60 FEET IN TWO SHORT BLOCKS. PARCELS WEST OF LYNDALE ON 50TH STREET HAVE NO BOULEVARD. THE SIDEWALK IS AT THE BACK OF CURB. BY CONTRAST, THE PARCELS EAST OF LYNDALE HAVE A BOULEVARD MEASUREMENT OF 5 FEET. IN THIS UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCE, PERHAPS A BETTER WAY TO THINK ABOUT SETBACK IS FROM STRUCTURE TO CURB VERSUS SETBACK AND PROPERTY LINE. [43:42] **Commissioner Ford:** YOU BEGAN BY SAYING THAT -- ELIMINATE DISPARITIES AND DEAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I'M TRYING TO SEE HOW THIS RESPONDS. THESE ARE ALL MARKET RATE, CORRECT? [43:59] **Todd Smith (Applicant):** CORRECT. SOMEONE ASKED EARLIER ABOUT THE UNIT MATRIX. THE FIRST FLOOR IS TWO BEDROOMS. THE SECOND FLOOR IS PREDOMINANTLY ONE BEDROOM UNITS AND FOURTH FLOOR HAS TWO 3-BEDROOM UNITS AND ONE 2-BEDROOM UNIT. [45:08] **Commissioner Marwah:** YES, THANK YOU TO THE APPLICANT FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I HAVE A QUESTION. IN OUR PACKET THERE WAS NOTE THAT THE NUMBER OF UNITS WOULD DECREASE BECAUSE OF THIS VARIANCE. IS THAT TRUE? [45:25] **Todd Smith (Applicant):** NO, IT IS NOT TRUE. THEY WOULD BECOME SMALLER FROM THE FRONT AND WOULD BE THE FOUR PARKING STALLS. AND I THINK CONTEXTUALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW IT FITS WITH EVERYTHING, IT WILL SEEM ODDLY PLACED FURTHER BACK THAN IT SHOULD BE. [46:00] **Commissioner Alper:** I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED. JUST THAT I'M CLEAR. SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOUR PROPERTY INCLUDES THE SIDEWALK? [46:35] **Todd Smith (Applicant):** NO, OUR PROPERTY STEPS BACK -- FOR EXAMPLE, THAT PROPERTY THERE, THAT PROPERTY LINE IS WHERE THE RETAINING WALL IS. ON THE SUBJECT PARCEL, THE PROPERTY LINE IS 4 FEET BEHIND THE SIDEWALK, BACK OF SIDEWALK. [47:36] **Kimberly Holien (Staff):** JUST TO CLARIFY, IT'S TYPICAL FOR THERE TO BE SOME GREEN SPACE BEHIND THE SIDEWALK, BETWEEN SIDEWALK AND PROPERTY LINE. THERE IS UTILITIES IN THAT AREA, OTHER CITY FUNCTIONS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. SO I'D SAY IT IS MORE TYPICAL TO BE ABOUT 1.5' OR 2' OF SPACE BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND PROPERTY LINE. PROPERTY LINE IS RARELY AT THE SIDEWALK. [48:48] **Commissioner Baxley:** TODD, I AM -- IT'S INTERESTING THAT THE CITY IS OKAY WITH REDUCING THE VARIANCE FOR THEIR REVERSE YARD ON THE CORNER TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE ADJACENT HOUSE. I'M CURIOUS, FROM YOUR DESIGN TEAM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU RECOGNIZED RIGHT AWAY AND SET UP A BOUNDARY ON THE HOUSE AND BUILT IT? [49:47] **Todd Smith (Applicant):** IT WASN'T UNIT SIZING AT ALL. FIRST, WE THOUGHT -- THE WAY SINCE PREVIOUSLY BEFORE THE NEW ZONING CAME OUT AND LOOKING AT THE 50TH STREET EAST OF LYNDALE AND HOW YOU DETERMINE THAT LINE AND LOOKING AT THE OTHER HOUSES. IT STARTED THIS. THEN, IF YOU WALK ALL FOUR OF THEM AND LOOK AT WHAT IT FEELS LIKE AND HOW TIGHT THEY ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, IT IS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO BE TOO FAR BACK IF YOU -- WITH THE 10 FOOT THING. [51:39] **Commissioner Emerick:** I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR [INDISCERNIBLE]. AS A RENTER IN MINNEAPOLIS, WITH A FAMILY, IT'S SO DIFFICULT TO FIND THREE BEDROOM UNITS IN MULTIFAMILY HOUSING. AND THEY ARE BADLY NEEDED. [53:00] **Randy Bell (Neighbor):** MY NAME IS RANDY BELL. I LIVE IN THE LYNDALE NEIGHBORHOOD. PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC WILL BE INHIBITED DURING THAT TIME. FURTHER, WHAT WAS INDICATED WAS THAT THE EXHAUST OF THE PARKING GARAGE WOULD COME OUT IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY. THAT IS CURRENTLY WHERE THERE IS A BUS STOP LOCATED ON LYNDALE AVENUE. ADDITIONALLY, AS WAS SAID, IT WAS GOING TO BE A 20-UNIT PROPERTY. AS IS KNOWN IN THE 2040 PROGRAM, ANY PROPERTY GREATER THAN 19 UNITS REQUIRES AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THIS PROPERTY WILL NOT HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. [55:30] **Jim (Neighbor):** MY NAME IS JIM, I LIVE NEXT DOOR AT 5009 LYNDALE AVENUE SOUTH. I SENT A LETTER TO STAFF AND JUST WANTED TO REITERATE OBJECTION TO THE VARIANCES. I THINK THAT THIS PARCEL AS MENTIONED IS A LARGE PARCEL, GREATER THAN 11,000 SQUARE FEET. IT SHOULD FIT WITH THE CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORS AND WITH THE ZONING THAT EXISTS TODAY. [56:04] **Alyssa Olson (President):** ANYONE ELSE? I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM. ANY DISCUSSION OR WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? [56:23] **Commissioner Meyer:** I'M GOING TO MOVE APPROVAL OF BOTH THE VARIANCES IN THE SITE PLAN REVIEW. THIS IS A MAJOR CORRIDOR, CLOSE TO A GROCERY STORE, A LOT OF AMENITIES NEARBY HERE. I THINK THE FIRST VARIANCE, THE ONE THAT STAFF HAD RECOMMENDED FOR IT IS VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD. FOR THE SECOND VARIANCE, I BELIEVE THAT ONE IS ALSO JUSTIFIED BY THE REGULAR PLATTING AND BY THE HIGHER LEVEL OF DISTANCE FROM THE SIDEWALK THAN STANDARD. [58:18] **Commissioner Baxley:** I WAS TRYING TO ADD MORE MEAT TO THOSE FINDINGS AND I -- BECAUSE I DO THINK ISSUE OF THE CONTEXT MATTERS HERE. WE HAVE ONE PROPERTY THAT IS ZONED A CERTAIN WAY THAT IS DICTATED VARIANCES INCONSISTENT WITH CHARACTER AND RELATIONSHIP OF BUILDINGS THAT EXIST IN ALL THREE CORNERS. [59:44] **Alyssa Olson (President):** I'LL JUST SAY I AGREE WITH THE COMMISSIONERS WHO HAVE SPOKEN SO FAR. I JUST WANT TO SAY I'M GOING TO SUPPORT IT. ANYTHING ELSE? OTHERWISE WE'LL CALL THE ROLE. [1:00:17] **Clerk:** COMMISSIONER ALPER. >> AYE. >> BAXLEY. >> AYE. >> CAMPBELL. >> AYE. >> EMERICK. >> AYE. >> FORD. >> AYE. >> KOSKI. >> NO. >> MARWAH. >> AYE. >> MEYER. >> AYE. >> OLSON. >> AYE. >> EIGHT YEAS, ONE NAY. [1:00:32] **Alyssa Olson (President):** ALL RIGHT. THAT MOTION PASSES. WE CAN MOVE ON TO OUR FINAL ITEM FOR THE EVENING, WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER 11 [Transcript says 12, likely referring to the Exterior Materials amendment]. [1:00:48] **Alyssa Olson (President):** AT OUR LAST MEETING, COMMISSION AGREED TO TAKE ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 12. THIS ISN'T AN OFFICIAL PUBLIC HEARING. WE'LL BE, AGAIN, JUST LIKE ALL OTHER PUBLIC HEARINGS, LIMITING COMMENTS TO TWO MINUTES. YOU'LL BE ON THE TIMER. [1:01:52] **Steve P. (Public Speaker):** HI, I'M STEVE, I REPRESENT LATH AND PLASTER BUREAU. I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO DEFINE BARRIER EIFS BECAUSE CPED STAFF DOESN'T DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE TWO. BUILDING CODE RECOGNIZES TWO SYSTEMS. BARRIER EIFS AND EIFS WITH DRAINAGE. IT IS ONLY SINCE 2009 THE BUILDING CODE MANDATED SPECIAL INSPECTIONS FOR BARRIER EIFS. [1:04:22] **Maria (Public Speaker):** PART OF WATER RESISTANT BARRIER, THIS IS A UNIQUELY FORMULATED COATING THAT IS INSTALLED BEHIND MOST OF THE BUILDING ENVELOPE CLADDINGS. IT MEETS ASTM TESTING THAT'S BEEN PART OF THE STANDARD BUILDING ENVELOPE REQUIREMENT TESTED FOR THE INDUSTRY. THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM PUT THESE COMPONENTS INTO ONE CLADDING. [1:06:03] **Amy Lutz (Public Speaker):** I'M A LIFELONG MINNEAPOLIS RESIDENT. I'M OWNER OF THE LOTS COMPANY WHICH IS A MINNESOTA DISTRIBUTOR OF DRYVIT EIFS. WE HAVE PROVIDED 8 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF THESE SYSTEMS IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA TODAY WE SUPPLY EXCLUSIVELY EIFS WITH DRAINAGE. IT IS A PROVEN SYSTEM. [1:07:37] **Eric S. (Public Speaker):** AS POINTED OUT, THE BARRIER EIFS, WE ARE LOOKING AT A 25 YEAR SERVICE LIFE. THE CHECKERED TAB WOULD BE IF WE WERE TO ADD DRAINAGE WITH IT. I WANT TO ENCOURAGE THE COMMISSION TO REJECT THE CURRENT PROPOSAL. [1:08:46] **Chuck Theel (Public Speaker):** HI, MY NAME IS CHUCK THEIL, WITH AMERICAN CONSTRUCTION SUPPLIES. I WANT TO HAVE YOU GUYS RECOGNIZE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EIFS AND EIFS WITH DRAINAGE THAT THE STAFF REPORT DID NOT. THE REPORT FALSELY STATES THE JURISDICTION RESTRICTS EIFS WHEN IN FACT THEY RESTRICT BARRIER EIFS. [1:10:52] **Tim Lutz (Public Speaker):** GOOD EVENING, I'M A 43 YEAR RESIDENT OF MINNEAPOLIS. EIFS DRAINAGE OPERATES AS A RAIN SCREEN. THERE'S BEEN NO COMPELLING CASE FOR ITS RESTRICTED USE. ITS RESTRICTION IS ARBITRARY AND THERE IS NO DATA TO BACK ANY OF THE STAFF'S CLAIMS. [1:13:00] **Bill Zintel (Public Speaker):** HELLO, I REPRESENT A LOCAL EIFS CONTRACTOR. WHERE THAT PUTS US TODAY IN 2023 SCHEME IS STILL LARGELY BASED ON MATERIAL CLASSIFICATION, BUT LIMITED TO EIFS OF LESS THAN 5% ON THE TOTAL WALL SURFACE AREA. FROM WHAT I SEE AS A CONTRACTOR -- IS A VERY MINIMAL SCOPE OF WORK FOR US TO BID AND PERFORM ON PROJECTS IN MINNEAPOLIS HERE. [1:15:11] **Steve Dogett (Public Speaker):** HI, STEVE DOGETT, THANK YOU. ONE OF THE IMPORTANT TERMS IS DURABLE. DURABILITY SPEAKS TO THE GREATER ASSEMBLY, NOT JUST THE EXTERIOR BUILDING MATERIAL. IT IS NOT JUST THE EXTERIOR SKIN OR THE CLADDING. I URGE YOU TO RECONSIDER AND REJECT THIS PROPOSAL. [1:17:30] **Katy (Public Speaker):** MY NAME IS KATY, PART OF SIKA, WE ARE ANOTHER EIFS MANUFACTURER HERE IN MINNEAPOLIS. I'M GOING TO STEP ASIDE FROM TECHNICAL AND TALK MORE ABOUT THE VERSATILITY AND BEAUTY THAT EIFS CAN OFFER MINNEAPOLIS. [1:19:41] **Sheila Gullikson (Public Speaker):** I WORK FOR SIKA U.S.A. MY TESTIMONY TODAY WILL FOCUS ON EIFS, REUSABILITY, SOLUTIONS AND FLEXIBILITY THAT EIFS DRAINAGE OFFERS DESIGNERS. EIFS USES THIN BRICK OR STONE OVER CONTINUOUS INSULATION. THIS SYSTEM REDUCES CARBON EMISSIONS AND INCREASES ENERGY EFFICIENCY. [1:21:56] **Barry Lassiter (Public Speaker):** HELLO, MY NAME IS BARRY LASSITER. I'M RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT MANAGER FOR SIKA CORPORATION. THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY, EIFS DEMONSTRATES UNPARALLELED CAPABILITIES BY OFFERING CONTINUOUS INSULATION AS A FUNDAMENTAL PART OF THE SYSTEM. SIKA CORPORATION STRONGLY OPPOSES ANY EXCLUSION OR BAN OF EIFS IN MINNEAPOLIS. [1:24:07] **Shawn Conrad (Public Speaker):** I OPERATE A COMPANY THAT SPECIALIZES IN EIFS. OUR COMPANY HAS CALLED MINNEAPOLIS HOME SINCE 1927. IN OUR LONG HISTORY I'M UNAWARE OF ANY EIFS PROJECT FAILING THAT WE ARE AWARE OF. THIS ORDINANCE THREATENS OUR COMPANY AND THE LIVELIHOOD OF MANY IN ATTENDANCE HERE TONIGHT. [1:26:09] **Joe Fowler (Public Speaker):** HELLO, I'M JOE FOWLER, BUSINESS MANAGER OF LABORERS LOCAL 563. RESTRICTING THIS AND TAKING THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING STAFF WOULD AFFECT THE JOBS WHICH PROVIDE LIVING WAGES. I BELIEVE THE ORDINANCE OR PROPOSED ORDINANCE IS POORLY RESEARCHED. [1:28:24] **Seth (Public Speaker):** BUSINESS MANAGER, TWIN CITY PLASTERERS, LOCAL 265. I HAVE GOT A GREAT, GREAT MEMBERSHIP, HIGHLY SKILLED, HIGHLY TRAINED. WE'RE TALKING JOBS COMPETENCIES. THESE GUYS ARE SO WELL TRAINED. [1:29:28] **Tony K. (Public Speaker):** TONY K, VICE PRESIDENT OF PLASTERERS 265. I BEGAN PLASTERING IN 1991. I'D LIKE TO PLEASE REJECT THE PROPOSAL. THANK YOU. [1:30:37] **Dave Hamilton (Public Speaker):** I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN OVER 200 EIFS PROJECTS WHERE WE NEVER HAD ISSUE. I'M CURRENTLY THE PRESIDENT OF MINNESOTA LATH AND PLASTER BUREAU. I ENCOURAGE YOU FOLKS TO VOTE NO ON THE PROPOSED PROJECT TO RESTRICT OUR PRODUCT. [1:31:48] **Pat Heelman (Public Speaker):** HELLO, BUILDING SCIENTIST AND FACULTY MEMBER AT UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA. I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT CONTINUOUS EXTERIOR INSULATION IS AND WILL BE AN IMPORTANT APPROACH FOR HIGH PERFORMANCE BUILDINGS. FOR THE HEAVILY WORN UTILITY BRICK THEY USED A DRAINABLE EIFS SYSTEM WHICH ALLOWED FOR MUCH HIGHER INSULATION LEVELS. [1:34:44] **Jeff Plates (Public Speaker):** WE STARTED DOING MASONRY VENEER IN 1995. EIFS IS ONE OF THE MOST VERSATILE CLADDINGS YOU CAN PUT ON A BUILDING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. [1:36:29] **Terry Vaness (Public Speaker):** I'M TERRY VANESS, AND I'M A SENIOR TECHNICAL MANAGER AT STO CORP. I WANT TO REASSURE YOU THAT AS MANUFACTURERS, WE HAVE DONE OUR HOMEWORK ON OUR OWN MATERIALS. WE KNOW THEY ARE DURABLE. [1:38:08] **Stephan Sears (Public Speaker):** GOOD AFTERNOON, I'M EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF EIMA. EIFS IS STRATEGICALLY ALIGN WITH THE CITY'S GOALS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, CLIMATE ACTION, AESTHETIC PRINCIPLES AND PERFORMANCE. [1:40:25] **Bill Eagan (Public Speaker):** I'M BILL EAGAN FROM THE EAGAN GROUP. I'M A CONSTRUCTION CONSULTANT. THERE ARE MORE THAN 40 TESTS THAT EIFS MANUFACTURERS RUN THEIR PRODUCTS TO SHOW DURABILITY. ANY WATER THAT GETS PAST THE EIFS SYSTEM DRAINS OUT THE BOTTOM. [1:42:26] **Jacob Stein (Public Speaker):** THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. I'M JACOB STEIN WITH LARKIN HOFFMAN. LP SMART SIDE IS A CARBON NEGATIVE PRODUCT. IT IS GROWN IN MINNESOTA, MANUFACTURED IN MINNESOTA. THESE ARBITRARY RESTRICTIONS MAKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING EVEN LESS AFFORDABLE. [1:44:28] **Dan McConnell (Public Speaker):** I'M BUSINESS MANAGER OF MINNEAPOLIS BUILDING TRADES COUNCIL. HOPEFULLY WE CAN PREVENT US HAVING TO DO THAT WITH EVERY CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR'S OFFICE AND REJECT THESE STANDARDS TONIGHT. [1:45:07] **Marcus Kazinga (Public Speaker):** THANK YOU. I REPRESENT JAMES HARDIE MATERIAL PRODUCTS. THE GUIDELINES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN PLACE ARE EVEN FAR MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN THE ONES BEING PROPOSED. I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE COMMISSIONERS TO NOT THROW OUT THE BABY WITH THE BATH WATER. [1:46:02] **Alyssa Olson (President):** ALL RIGHT. IN THAT CASE, WE'LL END OUR PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. COMMISSIONERS, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? [1:47:00] **Mei-Ling Smith (Staff):** RIGHT NOW WE HAVE IT STILL ALLOWABLE AT THE TOP OF THE BUILDING AS AN ACCENT OR TRIM MATERIAL. FROM 2014 UNTIL 2021, IT WAS NOT ALLOWED. BUT THEN WE DECIDED TO HAVE IT ALLOWABLE AT THE TOP, SIMILAR TO WHAT MADISON DOES. [1:49:35] **Mei-Ling Smith (Staff):** I THINK THE MAIN REASON WE HAVE DIFFERENTIATED BARRIER EIFS VERSUS THE NEW EIFS DRAINAGE IS BECAUSE WE ARE NOT ABLE TO GO OUT AND REQUIRE THE TYPE OF INSTALLATION THAT IS DONE. WE HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST THAT PEOPLE WILL SAY THEY ARE GOING TO DO EIFS WITH DRAINAGE, BUT IT ACTUALLY IS THE BARRIER EIFS. [1:51:21] **Commissioner Campbell:** IS THE ISSUE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO REQUIRE DRAINABLE EIFS OR YOU CAN'T BE SURE WE ARE ENFORCING DRAINABLE EIFS. [1:51:36] **Mei-Ling Smith (Staff):** WE CAN'T ENFORCE IT. SO WHEN WE WERE SPEAKING WITH CONSTRUCTION CODE SERVICES, WE BROUGHT UP EIFS AND THEY SAID THAT THEY DON'T REALLY GO INTO THAT FINE OF DETAIL. [1:53:11] **Commissioner Marwah:** WHY MADISON? [1:53:11] **Mei-Ling Smith (Staff):** BECAUSE WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO COME UP WITH A NEW SET OF GUIDELINES, WE WERE GIVEN SOME DIRECTIVES THAT TRIED TO MAKE THESE GUIDELINES AS FLEXIBLE AS POSSIBLE. THEY HAD -- THE WAY THE TABLE WAS LAID OUT, WE MODELLED AFTER THAT. MADISON IS NOT THE ONLY CITY THAT HAS RESTRICTIONS ON EIFS. [1:54:52] **Kimberly Holien (Staff):** PROJECTS THAT COME IN SUBJECT TO FULL SITE REVIEW ARE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED WITH JUST A ZONING PERMIT. OUR ZONING STAFF FROM THE 2014 ADOPTION UNTIL 2021 WERE TRYING TO CATCH WHEN EIFS WAS PROPOSED AND MAKING APPLICANTS CHANGE THEIR PERMIT PLANS. HOWEVER, WE BECAME AWARE THAT OFTEN THERE WOULD BE A DIFFERENT MATERIAL SHOWN ON PLANS SUCH AS STUCCO, BUT IN THE FIELD THE ACTUAL MATERIAL BEING APPLIED WAS EIFS. [1:58:33] **Commissioner Campbell:** I COME DOWN TO A COUPLE DIFFERENT PIECES WHEN IT COMES TO THIS REPORT. FOURTH MEETING IN, I'M CONFUSED ABOUT WHETHER WE ARE USING EIFS AND WHETHER WE ARE NOT. BUILDING MATERIALS SHOULD ALIGN TO CLIMATE RESILIENCY AND EQUITABLE HOUSING. MY BELIEF IS THAT EIFS SEEMS TO BE A BUILDING PROPERTY THAT'S EVOLVED OVER TIME THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR US IN THE CITY TO BE USING MORE REGULARLY. [2:01:25] **Commissioner Baxley:** I STILL HAVE FAITH IN MY FELLOW ARCHITECTS AND DESIGNERS IN THE PUBLIC REALM. WE ARE STILL GOING TO HAVE STONE AT THE BASE OF BUILDINGS. BUT TO NOT ALLOW A HIGH PERFORMANCE MATERIAL SEEMS MISPLACED AT THIS TIME. I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF ALLOWING EIFS NOT JUST ON TOPS OF BUILDINGS, BUT ON BUILDINGS. [2:03:50] **Commissioner Marwah:** I'D BE INCLINED TO ALLOW EIFS ON ALL PARTS OF A BUILDING. AND I CAN MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THAT REGARD. [2:06:37] **Commissioner Alper:** I STAND WITH THE FACT THAT BEAUTY IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER. WITH THAT, I REALLY SOLIDIFIES ME, THAT THESE NEED MORE WORK AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE TEXT AMENDMENT TO AMEND REGULATIONS RELATED TO EXTERIOR BUILDING MATERIALS. [2:10:59] **Mei-Ling Smith (Staff):** SINCE THE LAST CLIMATE COMMISSION MEETING, I DID NOT HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF TIME TO REACH OUT TO MANY AFFORDABLE DEVELOPERS, BUT I DID REACH OUT TO THE ONES THAT I WAS ABLE TO. ALL OF THEM -- NONE OF THEM HAD ANY HUGE CONCERNS ABOUT THESE GUIDELINES. [2:11:37] **Commissioner Alper:** WE SHOULDN'T BE BACKING INTO THE NEED FOR THESE GUIDELINES. IF THE GUIDELINES WE ARE OPERATING UNDER RIGHT NOW AREN'T WORKING, AND WE HAVE BEEN SHOWN A BETTER PATH FORWARD... I MEAN, THE WHOLE REASON WE SENT THIS AS A COMMISSION BACK TO STAFF WAS ABOUT BASING IT IN OUR CLIMATE CHANGE AND GOALS AROUND BEING MORE RESILIENT. NOTHING HAS BEEN CHANGED IN THAT REGARD. [2:13:45] **Commissioner Marwah:** I THINK STAFF HAS WORKED ON 145 PAGE MEMO AND PUT IT TOGETHER AFTER YEARS OF WORK. I'D LIKE TO SEE US VOTE ON SOMETHING TONIGHT AND NOT JUST DECLINE THIS ENTIRE BUILDING GUIDELINE WE HAVE PUT IN PLACE. [2:14:56] **Commissioner Meyer:** YOU HAVE PERSUADED ME. I'M PERSUADED BY THE DURABILITY STUDIES THAT WERE SUBMITTED AND BY THE CLIMATE ANALYSIS THAT EIFS IS A MORE DURABLE PRODUCT -- OR LOWER BODY CARBON AND BETTER EFFICIENCY THAN SOME OF THE OTHER MATERIALS THAT WE ALLOW. SO I'M PERSUADED TO ALLOW EIFS. [2:18:44] **Commissioner Ford:** I SUPPORT HEARD THE ARGUMENTS. WE WERE TOLD QUITE SOME TIME AGO NOW THAT UNDER THE NEW SITUATION THAT WAS FROM COUNSEL, THAT WE WERE UNABLE TO GIVE ANY DIRECTION TO THE PLANNING STAFF. IF WE DON'T LIKE THE PLAN, TURN IT DOWN. IF WE LIKE THE PLAN, ADOPT IT. I SUPPORT THE NOTION OF ALLOWING EIFS THROUGH AMENDMENT. [2:20:17] **Commissioner Emerick:** I LIVED IN MINNEAPOLIS MY WHOLE LIFE. I LIVED IN PLACES WITH ROACHES, MICE, BEDBUGS. I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT IT'S LIKE TO CARE WHAT THE EXTERIOR OF MY HOME LOOKS LIKE. IF I HAVE A PLACE THAT HAS HEAT, HOT WATER, NO PESTS OR MOLD, MY BABIES ARE SAFE AND THAT'S STABLE... PEOPLE LIKE ME DON'T OFTEN GET IN SEATS LIKE THIS. I WOULD ALSO REALLY LIKE TO HEAR FROM FOLKS WHO MOST RELY ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING, TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT TO THEM. [2:22:58] **Commissioner Alper:** I WANT TO SAY AS YOU THINK ABOUT THIS, I DO THINK THAT THIS MOTION IS TAKING ACTION TONIGHT. IT IS SAYING NO, LET'S TALK ABOUT OTHER MORE IMPORTANT THINGS ON THIS BODY. DICTATING WHAT I REALLY SEE AS AESTHETICS, IS NOT THE WAY WE SHOULD BE MOVING AS A BODY. [2:24:50] **Commissioner Meyer:** THE MOTION AS STATED DIDN'T INCLUDE ANY STAFF DIRECTION. JUST A STRAIGHT DENIAL. IT WILL LEAVE US WITH THE STATUS QUO WE HAVE HAD FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS. [2:26:18] **Alyssa Olson (President):** WE ARE HERE TO ADVISE THEM AND I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO SEND SOMETHING TO THEM THE BEST WE CAN MAKE IT. I'M GOING TO VOTE NO. [2:26:56] **Commissioner Meyer:** STATUS QUO IS WE HAVE NO RESTRICTIONS ON BUILDING MATERIALS. IT WILL MAKE THINGS MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN WHAT THEY ARE IN THE STATUS QUO. [2:27:53] **Kimberly Holien (Staff):** THE MOTION OUT OF COMMISSION TODAY WILL BE FORWARDED TO CITY COUNCIL. A MOTION TO DENY WILL BE FORWARDED TO CITY COUNCIL AS A DENIAL. BUT THIS IS NOT THE FINAL STEP FOR THE AMENDMENT. [2:29:42] **Clerk:** COMMISSIONER ALPER. >> AYE. >> BAXLEY. >> NAY. >> CAMPBELL. >> NAY. >> EMERICK. >> AYE. >> FORD. >> NO. >> KOSKI. ABSENT. MARWAH. NO. >> MEYER. >> NO. >> OLSON. >> NO. >>THAT'S THREE YEAS, FIVE NAYS. [2:31:07] **Alyssa Olson (President):** THAT MOTION DOESN'T PASS. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A DIFFERENT MOTION? [2:31:24] **Commissioner Meyer:** I MOVE TO ADD A NEW CATEGORY TO THE CHART WITH EIFS WITH DRAINAGE, ALLOWED AT EVERY LEVEL OF THE BUILDING. [2:31:40] **Commissioner Baxley:** I REALIZE THIS IS A DISTINCTION BETWEEN VERY LITTLE DIFFERENCE, BUT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR REGULATIONS TO REFLECT EIFS WITH DRAINAGE AS OPPOSED TO REGULAR EIFS. [2:33:01] **Kimberly Holien (Staff):** BEFORE THE BODY CAN BEGIN AMENDING, WE NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM. WE CAN'T AMEND ANYTHING UNTIL THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO APPROVE OR DO SOMETHING. [2:33:17] **Commissioner Meyer:** I MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO REPLACE EIFS ON THE ALLOWED EXTERIOR BUILDING MATERIALS FROM EIFS TO EIFS WITH DRAINAGE AND CREATE CHECK MARKS ACROSS ALL FIVE CATEGORIES: BUILDING BASE, PODIUM, MIDDLE TOWER, TOP, TRIM ACCENT MATERIAL. [2:34:10] **Mei-Ling Smith (Staff):** [Updating the visual chart for EIFS with drainage]. [2:34:45] **Commissioner Baxley:** PERFORMTIVELY YES. AESTHETICALLY, YOU CAN HAVE YOUR OPINIONS. [2:36:41] **Kimberly Holien (Staff):** WE SHOULD VOTE ON THESE INDIVIDUALLY. [2:37:37] **Alyssa Olson (President):** LET'S FOCUS ON THE EIFS WITH DRAINAGE. [2:39:05] **Commissioner Baxley:** IS IT APPROPRIATE MATERIAL FOR THE BASE OF THE BUILDING. EIFS? THAT'S A SUBJECTIVE QUESTION. PERFORMTIVELY YES. [2:39:39] **Clerk:** COMMISSIONER ALPER. >> AYE. >> BAXLEY. >> AYE. >> CAMPBELL. >> AYE. >> EMERICK. >> AYE. >> FORD. >> AYE. >> KOSKI. >> AYE. >> MARWAH. >> AYE. >> MEYER. >> AYE. >> OLSON. >> AYE. >> THAT'S NINE YEAS, ZERO NAYS. [2:40:36] **Commissioner Alper:** I'M GOING TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO ALLOW METAL PANEL AT THE BUILDING BASE. [2:42:06] **Commissioner Meyer:** I MOVE TO ALLOW WOOD AT THE BUILDING BASE AND PODIUM. [2:42:45] **Mei-Ling Smith (Staff):** WE CHOSE BRICK, CMU, CONCRETE, GLASS AND STONE MASONRY TO BE AT THE BASE OF THE BUILDING OR PODIUM BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE MATERIALS THAT ARE ABLE TO WITHSTAND THE MOST DAMAGE. [2:43:23] **Commissioner Baxley:** MODIFIED WOOD HAS BECOME AN ACCEPTED -- IT CAN BE DAMAGED, BUT CAN BE REPLACED REALLY EASILY. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE IT HERE. [2:46:32] **Commissioner Meyer:** I WOULD STRIKE THE LANGUAGE GENERALLY THE PRIMARY EXTERIOR MATERIALS INCORPORATED ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING MUST BE INCORPORATED ON ALL SIDES. THE FIRST SENTENCE IS TAKEN PRETTY MUCH DIRECTLY FROM THE 2040 PLAN. THE SECOND SENTENCE IS NOT. [2:48:50] **Mei-Ling Smith (Staff):** THE REASON BEHIND THIS POLICY WAS BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A LOT MORE DENSE BUILDINGS NEXT TO LOWER SCALE BUILDINGS AND SO WE WANTED TO HAVE HIGHER QUALITY ON ALL SIDES. [2:53:04] **Commissioner Meyer:** A DEVELOPMENT THAT ACHIEVES THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY-CLIMATE RESILIENCY PREMIUM IN CHAPTER 540 BUILT FORM OVERLAY DISTRICT MAY UTILIZE A WIDER RANGE OF MATERIALS AT A BUILDING'S BASE UPON DEMONSTRATING THE INTENT IS TO UTILIZE MATERIALS WITH LESS EMBODIED CARBON. [2:55:11] **Commissioner Baxley:** I UNDERSTAND THE INTENTS OF THAT, BUT MORE THAN LIKELY HE HAVE TO MEET THOSE GUIDELINES. IT IS GOING TO BE A VERY SPECIFIC PALETTE TO GET THERE. [2:57:30] **Alyssa Olson (President):** I GUESS I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION [TO APPROVE THE FULL TEXT AMENDMENT AS AMENDED]. [2:58:27] **Clerk:** COMMISSIONER ALPER. >> PASS. >> BAXLEY. >> AYE. >> CAMPBELL. >> AYE. >> EMERICK. >> AYE. >> FORD. >> AYE. >> KOSKI. >> AYE. >> MARWAH. >> AYE. >> MEYER. >> AYE. >> OLSON. >> AYE. >> THAT'S NINE YEAS, ZERO NAYS. [2:59:01] **Alyssa Olson (President):** THAT MOTION PASSES. ARE THERE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM STAFF? [2:59:20] **Kimberly Holien (Staff):** JUST A REMINDER THERE IS NO COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE ON THURSDAY. [2:59:56] **Clerk:** PLEASE REMEMBER TO TURN ON YOUR MICS BEFORE YOU SPEAK. [3:00:13] **Alyssa Olson (President):** I'LL DECLARE THIS MEETING -- OUR NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING -- IS MONDAY, OCTOBER 30. [Meeting adjourned].