>> Mayor Muns: I NOW DECLARE THAT THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL PRELIMINARY OPEN MEETING HAS RECONVENED IN OPEN SESSION. THAT ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE PRELIMINARY AGENDA IS CONSIDERATION AND ACTION RESULTING FROM THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. OUR NEXT ITEM IS ITEM NO. 2, THE APPOINTMENT OF A TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE NO. 5 BOARD. THE COUNCIL LIAISONS, I WOULD LIKE TO APPOINT COUNCILMEMBER HORNE AND COUNCILMEMBER SMITH TO THIS NEW BOARD. I NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. SO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPOINT COUNCILMEMBER SMITH, COUNCILMEMBER HORNE TO THE TAX INCREMENT FINANCING REINVESTMENT ZONE NO. 5 BOARD. ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM IS ITEM 3, STREAMBANK STUDY UPDATE. >> ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS CALEB THORNHILL, DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING. I HAVE WITH ME TONIGHT ALISON SMITH, OUR CIP GROUP, AND RUSSELL ERSKINE WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT TEAM. TONIGHT TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE STREAMBANK STUDY. ALL RIGHT. SO FOR A HISTORY LESSON, WE STARTED THIS PROGRAM IN AUGUST OF 2022. WE WERE HERE FOR YOU TO DISCUSS THE PROGRAM. WE AUTHORIZED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE STUDY AND IT'S EVALUATING APPROXIMATELY 120 MILES OF STREAMBANK THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF PLANO. WE DID LAST YEAR APPROXIMATELY 30 MILES OR A QUARTER OF THAT. AND THIS YEAR WE'VE GOT APPROXIMATELY 20 MILES TO DATE THAT HAVE BEEN EVALUATED. FROM AN UPDATE STANDPOINT ON WHAT THE SITES LOOK AT. SO THIS IS A TYPICAL PICTURE OF WHAT YOU MAY SEE PEOPLE OUT IN THE STREAM. THEY LOOK AT A NUMBER OF FACTORS THAT IMPACT THE SITE AND WHAT THEY FEEL LIKE WOULD BE EROSION THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. THREAT TO STRUCTURE COULD BE UTILITIES AS WELL, WATER OR SEWER LINES, OUTFALLS FOR DRAINAGE, CHANCE FOR FAILURE, THE BANK STABILITY, TREES, AND OBVIOUSLY SAFETY FOR THOSE LOCATIONS. THIS MAP HERE SHOWS YOU KIND OF THE PROGRESS WE'VE HAD TO DATE. ALL 120 MILES ARE HIGHLIGHTED. THE AREA IN BLUE IS WHAT THEY COMPLETED IN YEAR ONE. THAT FIRST 30 MILES. THE AREA IN THE ORANGE COLOR IS THE 20 THAT THEY HAVE ESSENTIALLY COMPLETED TO DATE. WE HAVE NOT SEEN THAT DATA YET BUT THEY HAVE WALKED THAT. THE AREA IN PURPLE IS FUTURE MILES THAT THEY WILL WALK. THE LATEST WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE CONSULTANT IS THAT THEY ARE ANTICIPATING FINISHING THAT 90 REMAINING MILES THIS YEAR, WHICH IS GREAT NEWS BECAUSE WE ANTICIPATED THEM TO HAVE TO DO MORE WALKING NEXT YEAR. SO WE'LL SPEND THE SUMMER AND FALL RECEIVING THAT DATA, ANALYZING IT, AND COMING BACK TO YOU GUYS. JUST FOR A FIRST-YEAR UPDATE. AGAIN, THE FIRST 30 MILES ONLY. THEY IDENTIFIED APPROXIMATELY 1,000 SITES THAT HAD EROSION ISSUES. 923 OF THOSE WERE A PART OF A STREAM AND 100 OF THOSE WERE LAKES. JUST A REMINDER, THERE ARE A FEW LAKES THROUGHOUT THE CITY. SOME OF THOSE ARE ON PARK PROPERTY. SOME OF THOSE ARE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. THE PIE CHART THERE THAT SHOWS YOU THE OWNERSHIP COMPONENT. ABOUT 66% OF THAT 1,000. JUST OVER 600 IS OWNED BY THE CITY. 25% IS A PROPERTY OWNER AND THAT PROPERTY OWNER COULD BE A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AS WELL AS A PRIVATE PROPERTY OR SINGLE-FAMILY PROPERTY AS WELL. AND THEN 9% WAS HOA OWNED. FROM A SCORING STANDPOINT, I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A COMPARISON OF WHAT THEY ARE SEEING OUT THERE. SO THE SCORE YOU SEE ON YOUR LEFT IS 7.5. THAT'S VERY POOR CONDITION. YOU CAN SEE THERE THAT THE STRUCTURE IS FAILING. THE BANK STEEP. THERE'S BACK FILL MISSING. THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES. THE LOWER THAT SCORE IS THE MORE URGENT IT IS THAT IT NEEDS REPAIRS. THIS IS ACTUALLY ADJACENT TO A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY SO IT IS THE PROPERTY OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN THIS. THE AREA YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT, THAT IS A 67.5 SCORE. SO JUST OVER 50. WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT, THAT'S REALLY CLOSE TO THE AVERAGE SCORE THAT WE'VE SEEN OUT OF THAT FIRST 1,000 SITES. AGAIN, WE'VE COLLECTED 30 MILES OF DATA. THEY'VE GOT 20 MORE MILES THAT THEY HAVE COMPLETED. WE HAVE NOT SEEN THOSE SCORES, SO THIS IS JUST BASED ON THE 30 MILES. BUT THIS ONE IS WHERE YOU CLEARLY SEE EROSION BUT YOU ALSO SEE A BANK WITH VEGETATION. IT'S NOT A STEEP BANK. THERE'S EROSION FROM SOME OUTFALL STRUCTURES THERE. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT OBVIOUSLY HAS TO BE ADDRESSED BUT IT'S NOT URGENT. THERE'S NOT A HUGE SAFETY COMPONENT WITH THIS LOCATION. SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU THAT AS A COMPARISON WHEN YOU SEE SOME OF THESE SCORES LATER. HERE'S A COUPLE OTHER EXAMPLES. THE ONE THERE ON THE LEFT, YOU CAN OBVIOUSLY SEE THERE IS A STEEPER EMBANKMENT THAT'S ERODING. AND THEN THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS A MUCH TALLER EMBANKMENT AS WELL. THAT'S THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS ACTUALLY A GOLF COURSE AND THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS AN HOA TOO FAST? YOU GUYS JUST LET ME KNOW. SO I WANTED TO SLOW THIS BECAUSE I'VE GOT ANOTHER SLIDE AT THE END. WHERE THE PROPERTY SCORED AND I KNOW IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO SEE THE NUMBERS BASED ON THE COLORS BUT I'VE GOT THOSE HERE FOR YOU. 0 TO 25, AGAIN, KEEPING THAT SCORE THAT YOU SAW THAT HAS 7.5, ANYTHING LESS THAN A 25. WE HAD 16 PROPERTIES FALL IN THAT CATEGORY. OUT OF THOSE 16, 11 WERE CITY AND 5 WERE OWNER RESPONSIBILITY. THE 26 TO 50 HAD 59 SCORES THAT FELL WITHIN THAT RANGE. THE AVERAGE SCORE, AS I MENTIONED, OUT OF THAT 1,000 SITES, THE MAJORITY OF THEM FALL WITHIN THAT 51 TO 75. WE HAD 600 OF THE 1,000 THAT FELL WITHIN THAT CATEGORY. 76 TO 100, WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER IS MINOR EROSION, NOT REALLY NEED TO BE ADDRESSING. WHAT WE'VE REALLY LOOKED AT IS THOSE FIRST TWO, BECAUSE THOSE REALLY ESSENTIALLY ARE GOING TO NEED ADDRESSING IN THE NEXT THREE TO FIVE YEARS. WHAT I ALSO WANTED TO SHOW YOU, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE STREAM. WE'VE HAD SEVERAL LOCATIONS WHERE WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH PROPERTY OWNERS. IT'S REALLY WHAT PROMPTED A LOT OF THIS DISCUSSION EARLY ON. SO I WANTED TO KIND OF SHOW YOU THOSE. WE'VE MET WITH EACH OF THESE INDIVIDUALS OR HOAs TO TALK THROUGH THEIR PROPERTIES. AND I WANTED TO JUST WALK THROUGH THOSE. THE WEST LAKE POND, THIS IS JUST NORTH OF PLANO PARKWAY, WEST OF ALMA. THERE'S A POND OR A LAKE AT THAT LOCATION. IT'S AN INTERESTING SITUATION WHERE HALF OF THE POND IS OWNED BY 13 INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS. OWNED BY COMMERCIAL. IT'S A LOCATION THAT WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE RESIDENTIAL. THEY BROUGHT UP CONCERNS ABOUT DEVELOPMENT ADJACENT. BUT TO THIS DATE WE HAVE NOT PROVIDED ANY ASSISTANCE DUE TO THE PLAT LANGUAGE, DUE TO THE COMMERCIAL. AND WHEN WE -- THE DEVELOPMENT WAS GONE IN, WE DID MAKE THEM FOLLOW OUR PERMIT REQUIREMENTS. THEY DID HAVE TO HAVE AN SW3P TO ENFORCE THEIR EROSION CONTROL. ROSLIN DRIVE, I KNOW SOME OF THE CITIZENS WILL BE HERE TONIGHT SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION. ANOTHER LOCATION WE HAVE HAD MULTIPLE REQUESTS. WE DID EVALUATE THIS ONE. IT WASN'T TECHNICALLY INCLUDED IN THE SECOND WAVE BUT WE HAVE EVALUATED IT. THERE IS EROSION. HOWEVER, IT'S QUITE A BIT A WAYS FROM THE NORMAL FLOW OF THE CHANNEL. THIS ONE SCORED A 71. AGAIN, OUR AVERAGE SCORE IS AROUND A 67. THIS IS ONE WHERE THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY ACTUALLY EXTENDS TO THE CHANNEL AND SO WE HAVE NOT PROVIDED ASSISTANCE FOR THIS ONE. WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF UNIQUE SITUATIONS. I SAY UNIQUE BECAUSE THE NEXT COUPLE LOOK LIKE THIS WHERE HALF OF IT IS AN HOA WHO OWNS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CREEK. THE OTHER HALF IS A CITY-OWNED IN THIS LOCATION. IT'S A FUTURE PARK. YOU CAN SEE THERE THE DEVELOPMENT IS OCCURRING RIGHT NOW. THIS IS OVER IN WEST PLANO JUST AT WINDHAVEN AND SPRING CREEK. AGAIN, WE HAVE HAD MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE HOA. THE PLAT IS VERY CLEAR ON THEIR EROSION RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS LOCATION. AGAIN, ANOTHER ONE THAT'S AN HOA/CITY. THE GREEN DOWN THERE IS THE CITY RESPONSIBILITY. THE YELLOW IS ALL HOA. VERY SIMILAR WHERE THE PLAT STATES THAT IT'S THE HOA'S RESPONSIBILITY. THE HILLS OF INDIAN CREEK, AGAIN, VERY SIMILAR. THE COLORS ARE DIFFERENT. APOLOGIZE FOR THAT BUT SAME SONG AS THE FIRST TWO HOA-OWNED RESPONSIBILITY FOR HALF OF IT. THE CITY HAS RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE OTHER HALF OF IT. THIS ONE WE HAVE HAD MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE HOA. WE HAVE BEEN OUT THERE MULTIPLE TIMES TO WALK THIS. WE ACTUALLY DID A SURVEY FOR THE HOA. THERE'S MULTIPLE ENCROACHMENTS OR STRUCTURES THAT FALL WITHIN THE HOA'S PROPERTY. SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF COMPLICATIONS FOR THIS ONE AS WELL. SO I WANTED TO GO BACK TO THIS CHART AND JUST GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING AS WE MOVE FORWARD. AS I MENTIONED, THE 0 TO 25 AND THE 26 TO 50 IS THE AREA WE REALLY SEE THAT NEEDS ATTENTION SOONER THAN LATER. THE AVERAGE SCORE WAS IN THAT 51 TO 75. BUT IF WE LOOK AT THE FIRST 30 MILES OR THE FIRST 25%, WHAT WE'RE SEEING FOR A PROJECTION IS WE'LL HAVE SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 300 OR SO MORE THAT WILL FALL WITHIN THAT 0 TO 50 RANGE, WHICH OBVIOUSLY IS A LOT OF PROPERTIES. OUT OF THAT, WE PROJECT NEARLY 200 OF THOSE TODAY WOULD BE CITY RESPONSIBILITY. WE DO ABOUT FIVE SITES A YEAR WITH OUR STAFF AND OUR BUDGET. OBVIOUSLY, THAT WOULD TAKE 40 YEARS TO FINISH THOSE 200. SO I WANTED TO GIVE YOU GUYS THIS INFORMATION TONIGHT AS AN UPDATE. WE'RE HOPEFULLY APPROACHING NEARLY A HALFWAY POINT. AS FAR AS NEXT STEPS, WE'LL COMPLETE THE EVALUATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. WE'LL COMPLETE THOSE 90 REMAINING MILES. WE'LL GET THAT DATA FROM THE CONSULTANT AND THEN MY PLAN IS TO COME BACK TO YOU GUYS WITH AN IDEA OF WHERE WE STAND. I SHOWED YOU WHAT THE PROJECTIONS WOULD SHOW. BUT WHAT NEXT STEPS WE NEED TO TAKE TO MOVE FORWARD. AND OUR GOAL IS TO PRESENT THAT LATER THIS FALL. AND SO I THINK THAT IS MY LAST SLIDE. YES. I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I WOULD JUST ADD IN REAL QUICK, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THIS IS TAKING A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO COMPLETE THE STREAMBANK STUDY BUT WE THOUGHT IT WAS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT WHEN A COUNCIL FACES A POLICY DECISION OF THIS MAGNITUDE THAT AFFECTS SO MANY DIFFERENT PROPERTIES. THAT HAS A COST IMPACT AS LARGE AS THIS MAY BE. THAT COUNCIL HAVE A FULL PICTURE OF WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE. SO, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE REASON WHY IT'S TAKING SOME TIME IS THEY ONLY WORK DURING THE WINTER SO THAT THE SNAKES ARE GONE AND THEY CAN WALK THROUGH THE STREAMS. IT'S TRUE. THAT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THEY DO IT. BUT THE FOLIAGE IS GONE AND THEY CAN DO A PROPER ASSESSMENT. SO FOR THE FOLKS THAT ARE WATCHING AND INTERESTED IN THIS, AGAIN, THIS IS YEAR TWO. WE HAVE ONE MORE YEAR TO GO TO HAVE THAT FULL PICTURE. TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. AND SOME OF THAT IS GOING TO INVOLVE THE COST ASPECT OF THINGS OF WHERE THE CITY WANTS TO STEP UP FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE AND HOW FAR THE CITY WANTS TO GO IN BEING ABLE TO ASSERT THIS. BUT AS CALEB SAID, AS WE'RE STAFFED RIGHT NOW, AS WE'RE RESOURCED RIGHT NOW, KNOWING THAT THE MAGNITUDE OF THIS, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME BIG POLICY DECISIONS COMING DOWN THE PIPE SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE GAVE THAT UPDATE TONIGHT AND START PREPARING BOTH COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC TO WHAT THIS DISCUSSION MAY LOOK LIKE. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER HOLMER. >> Holmer: THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. HAVE YOU COME ACROSS MANY SAFETY ISSUES DURING YOUR STUDY? AND, IF SO, HOW ARE THOSE ADDRESSED, WHETHER IT'S CITY-OWNED PROPERTY OR SOMEONE ELSE IS RESPONSIBLE? >> I'LL LET ALISON AND RUSSELL ADDRESS THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. WE HAVE HAD CERTAIN LOCATIONS WHERE THE SEWER LINE HAS BEEN EXPOSED OR HAS EROSION NEXT TO IT. THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, IF WE'VE GOT AN INFRASTRUCTURE FACILITY THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY. WE ARE WORKING THROUGH THOSE. I DON'T KNOW, ALISON OR RUSSELL, IF YOU GUYS KNOW OF ANY OTHER SAFETY CONCERNS THAT YOU'VE NOTICED OR BEEN MADE AWARE OF. >> MOST OF THE ONES THAT WE'VE RECEIVED TO DATE HAVE BEEN THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SEND TO PUBLIC WORKS TO GET EITHER A QUICK TEMPORARY FIX SO WE CAN DO A FINAL PROJECT OR THAT THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO GO OUT AND MAINTAIN. >> Tu: I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. WHEN YOU'RE DOING THE STUDY WITH REGARD TO THE EROSION ON SOME OF THE PROPERTIES -- AND YOU SAY THAT SOME OF THEM ARE OWNER RESPONSIBLE. FIRST OF ALL, DO THE OWNERS KNOW THAT THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE? AND SECOND OF ALL, DO WE NOTIFY THEM ONCE WE FIND OUT THAT THERE IS CERTAIN ISSUES OF CONCERN? DO WE TELL THEM, LOOK, THIS IS NOT PART OF THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY. IT'S YOURS. AND DO WE GET ANY SURPRISES FROM THAT? >> SO WE HAVE NOT NOTIFIED ANY OWNERS YET. AND I THINK FOR ME THAT REALLY GOES BACK TO, AT THE END OF THIS THERE'S GOING TO BE A POLICY DISCUSSION. TELLING AN OWNER SOMETHING TODAY AND THAT MAY CHANGE IN THE FUTURE. SOMETHING I DIDN'T STATE, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. THE SITES THAT WE'RE EVALUATING, THE SITES CAN BE MULTIPLE PROPERTY OWNERS. THEY'LL GO OUT AND IDENTIFY A SITE THAT HAS EROSION AND IT MAY COVER TWO, THREE, FOUR DIFFERENT LOT LINES WHERE WE, AS IN THE CITY, IF WE WERE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT WITH OUR RESPONSIBILITY, WE WOULD DO IT AS ONE PROJECT INSTEAD OF FOUR INDIVIDUAL ONES. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR. BUT WE HAVE NOT SENT ANYTHING OUT. OF COURSE, WE CAN MAKE THE DATA AVAILABLE. WE HAVE GOT A HUGE DATABASE THAT WE COULD MAKE AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE OR GET THAT TO DIFFERENT CITIZENS, DEPENDING ON THE SEVERITY. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS. >> Williams: THANK YOU, CALEB. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AS WELL. THE FIRST, IF WE COULD GO BACK TO ONE OF THE EARLIER SLIDES SHOWING THE PROPERTIES. THIS IS THE ONE WHERE YOU SAID IT WAS WELL AWAY FROM THE NORMAL FLOW. MAYBE THAT WAS IT. MAYBE NOT. BUT ACTUALLY MAYBE THAT WAS IT. SO IT LOOKS WELL AWAY FROM THE ACTUAL STREAM. BUT THAT SLOPE LOOKS VERY CLOSE TO THAT STRUCTURE. I'M NOT SO MUCH WORRIED ABOUT THE STREAM FLOW AS I'M WORRIED ABOUT RAINS WASHING OUT THAT EMBANKMENT. HOW WOULD A PROPERTY LIKE THAT SCORE? OR HOW WOULD THAT FACTOR SCORE, EVEN THOUGH THAT SLOPE IS WELL AWAY FROM THE STREAM? I KNOW THIS WAS SCORED 71, IF I'M READING THIS CORRECTLY. >> CORRECT. >> Williams: WAS THAT TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WHEN WE HAVE THE TORRENTIAL RAINS THAT THAT CAN HAVE A REAL SWIFT IMPACT ON THE WALLS LIKE THAT? >> YEAH. SO I WAS GOING TO SEE -- RUSSELL, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS. YOU WANT TO GIVE KIND OF A SUMMARY WHERE THAT 71 COMES FROM ON THIS ONE? >> CALEB WALKED THROUGH KIND OF THE DIFFERENT WAYS OF SCORING AND LOOKING AT THE THREAT, WHETHER IT'S ON THE BEND OF A STREAM, ET CETERA. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT FACTORS IN HERE IS SAFETY. AND OUR CONSULTANT WENT -- HE'S BEEN DOING THIS ACROSS THE BOARD -- THAT THEY SCORED THIS A 71 BECAUSE OF THEY FELT LIKE THE PROPERTY OWNER COULD PUT A FENCE IN ALONG THAT SLOPE BETWEEN THERE AND THE HOUSE TO AVOID ANY KIND OF A SLOPE ISSUE OR ANY KIND OF A CITIZEN OR THEMSELVES FALLING DOWN THE SLOPE. THEY CAN PUT A FENCE UP. NOW, IF YOU TOOK THAT OUT OF THERE AND SAID THERE IS A FAILURE ISSUE HERE WITH SOMEONE FALLING DOWN THE SLOPE, THEIR SCORE WOULD COME DOWN FROM THAT 71 TO A LOWER SCORE. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION BUT -- >> Williams: I HADN'T EVEN REALLY CONSIDERED SOMEBODY FALLING DOWN THERE. I WAS THINKING ABOUT WHEN WE GET SEVERE RAINS, THE RAIN WASHING OUT THAT WALL SO THAT SLOPE IS CLOSER AND CLOSER TO THE STRUCTURE, WHICH COULD THEN GET SERIOUSLY DAMAGED. >> WELL, THEY'RE ON THE INSIDE BEND, NOT THE OUTSIDE BEND. THEY'RE ON THE INSIDE BEND SO THERE'S NOT AS MUCH EROSION HERE. YES, THAT IS A STEEP SLOPE. I WILL SAY THAT BACK IN '96 THE CITY MADE A COMMENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER -- THIS IS A DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNER BUT AT THAT TIME THEY ADVISED THE PROPERTY OWNER TO PLANT SOME MATERIAL THERE TO HELP WITH THE EROSION AT THAT TIME. THE PROPERTY OWNER DID NOT ADDRESS THAT AT ALL. SO THERE, AGAIN, THEY COULD PLANT SOME GRASS TO HELP WITH THE EROSION IN THAT AREA. AS THE PLAT SITS RIGHT NOW, IT'S THE OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY. SO WE HAVE TO GO WITH WHAT THE LEGAL DOCUMENT SAYS. >> Williams: WELL, FOR THE STATUS OF A PROPERTY LIKE THIS, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT HERE IN THE PICTURE WHERE, AGAIN, YOU TALKED ABOUT BACK IN '96 THE PROPERTY OWNER OF A DIFFERENT PROPERTY WAS ADVISED TO PLANT SOMETHING. WITH THIS PROPERTY RIGHT NOW HOW DOES THAT SLOPE BEING SO CLOSE TO THE STRUCTURE IMPACT THE SCORE? AND NOT JUST FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF MAYBE SOMEBODY WILL FALL DOWN IT BUT ACTUALLY FURTHER EROSION NOT FROM THE STREAM BUT FROM RAIN. >> I THINK -- >> Williams: FACTORED IN. >> SO IT IS FACTORED IN. THE CHALLENGE WITH THIS ONE IS YOU DO HAVE A SLOPE NEXT TO A STRUCTURE. BUT BASED ON THE GEOMETRY OF THE CREEK, THE MAJORITY OF THE EROSION AT THIS LOCATION IS FROM RUNOFF FROM THE TOP. EVEN WITH A FULL CHANNEL, IT'S NOT GOING TO ERODE THIS. NOW, WE KNOW WHEN YOU GET HEAVY RAINS THAT WATER IS GOING TO RUN OFF THE TOP. IT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS. BUT LIKE ANYTHING, IF IT CONTINUES TO GO UNMAINTAINED IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO GET WORSE. >> Williams: THAT'S KIND OF A GOOD SEGUE TO MY NEXT QUESTION. AND THIS IS REALLY AN HISTORICAL QUESTION. FOR A LOT OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WERE BUILT 20, 30-PLUS YEARS AGO WHEN IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THE STREAMBANK WOULD BE THE HOA RESPONSIBILITY, DO WE KNOW WHETHER THAT DISCUSSION INCLUDED RETAINING WALLS AND EROSION OR WHETHER IT WAS MORE ALONG THE LINES OF TREES AND BRUSH MAINTENANCE? BECAUSE THOSE ARE VERY DIFFERENT, VERY DIFFERENT TOPICS. >> RIGHT. YEAH, AND BACK TO THAT MAINTENANCE COMPONENT. SO WE HAVE SEEN PROPERTIES FROM THE EARLY '90s, LATE '80s THAT HAD WALLS WITHIN THE STREAM FROM EROSION PROTECTION . BUT WE'VE ALSO SEEN BAG WALLS. WE'VE SEEN TIMBER WALLS. WE'VE SEEN MASONRY WALLS. WE'VE SEEN ANY NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PROTECTION FOR THESE LOCATIONS. A SLOPE THAT WAS PUT IN IN THE '80s OR '90s MAY HAVE BEEN A GRADUAL SIX TO ONE AND TODAY IT'S A TWO TO ONE SLOPE. SO WE'VE SEEN ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT STRUCTURES WITHIN THESE. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANYTHING CONSISTENT. >> Williams: THANK YOU. >> THANKS, CALEB, AND THANK YOU FOR DOING THE SURVEY. I'M QUITE FAMILIAR WITH THIS SITE. I'VE WALKED BY IT. I'VE SENT LETTERS TO THE CITY MANAGER TO ADDRESS THIS. WHAT'S UNIQUE HERE IS THE PROPERTY TO THE IMMEDIATE LEFT, THEY HAVE A GAPPIAN WALL SYSTEM SET UP AND THEY'RE NOT HAVING ANY EROSION PROBLEMS. MY CONCERN ABOUT PUTTING A FENCE FOR SAFETY IS YOU PUT A FENCE RIGHT THERE, THAT FENCE IS GOING TO FALL DOWN EVENTUALLY BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DRIVE THAT FOOTER DEEP ENOUGH TO HOLD THAT FENCE UP THERE. SO HAVING A FENCE THERE TO MITIGATE SAFETY, THAT'S A NON-POINT BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THERE WHEN YOU GET THE NEXT RAIN. IF YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT EROSION'S COMING FROM THE DRIVEWAY, AGAIN, I'D HAVE TO UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH SHEET FLOW IS COMING FROM THAT DRIVEWAY TO CAUSE THAT MUCH EROSION FROM RIGHT THERE. IF YOU GO UP ON TOP OF THAT PROPERTY AND LOOK UNDERNEATH, YOU WILL SEE SPACE BETWEEN THE DRIVEWAY AND THE GARAGE WHERE THE SUBSOIL UNDERNEATH THAT DRIVEWAY HAS COLLAPSED, HAS ERODED AWAY. I THINK THIS IS ALL SUBSIDING AND IT'S COMING DOWN AND OF COURSE IT'S ADDING TO THE CREEK FLOW. YES, THE DEBRIS -- NOT THE DEBRIS BUT ANY TYPE OF PREVIOUS LANDSCAPING THAT WAS THERE HAS BEEN CLEAR CUT. SHAME ON THEM BECAUSE OF COURSE ANY TIME YOU HAVE TREES AND WILLOWS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT ONLY BINDS THE SOIL INTO THE FINE PARTS OF THE ROOT SYSTEM. BUT WHERE I'M HAVING A CHALLENGE HERE IS THAT THE NEIGHBOR TO THE LEFT HAS A NICE GABBIAN WALL AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD YEARS BACK THE CITY INSTALLED THAT. I CAN'T VALIDATE THAT BUT THAT WAS WHAT WAS TOLD TO ME BY THAT PERSON. HE'S LOOKING FOR SUPPORT. FOR HIM TO PUT A WALL AS A HOMEOWNER OR FUTURE HOMEOWNERS BECAUSE TIMBER WALLS DON'T WORK, MASONRY WALLS DON'T WORK. HE'S NOT GOING TO DO SHEET PILES IN THERE. I DON'T KNOW HOW HE CAN RECOVER. JUST THE COST WOULD PRECLUDE HIM FROM DOING THAT. SO I ONLY THINK WE'RE SEEING PART OF IT HERE AND A SCORE OF 71. I THINK IT'S NOT REALLY A GOOD NUMBER. I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY DID THE EVALUATIONS. BUT I THINK THE RISK IS CERTAINLY GREATER THAN JUST TELL ME TO PUT A FENCE UP TO HELP WITH SAFETY. THAT'S JUST MY OBSERVATION WHEN I WENT THERE. I'M TRYING TO HELP A NEIGHBOR. AND I'M TRYING TO HELP A NEIGHBOR. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM. THANK YOU FOR THE STREAM STUDY. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE REST OF THE DATA. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMEMBER SMITH? >> Smith: THANK YOU, MAYOR. CALEB, I WANT TO ASK YOU -- I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE FACTS IN YET, BUT BASED ON WHAT WE'VE GATHERED SO FAR, WHAT SURPRISED YOU ABOUT IT? FOR INSTANCE, DID WE FIND MORE SITUATIONS LIKE THIS THAN WE THOUGHT THERE MIGHT BE? OR DID WE, PERHAPS, MAYBE ON THE GOOD SIDE, FIND LESS? AND THEN, IS THAT -- HOW DO YOU PREDICT THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT WHEN YOU COME BACK TO GIVE US DATA WHERE WE CAN MAKE DECISIONS, FOLLOWING UP ON WHAT COUNCILMEMBER HORNE WAS SAYING, WHAT CAN WE DO AS A CITY TO HELP OUR RESIDENTS? >> YEAH, SO I'LL LET ALLISON AND RUSSELL CHIME IN FROM A SURPRISING STANDPOINT. IT PROBABLY SHOULDN'T HAVE SURPRISED ME, BUT THE VOLUME BASICALLY. >> Smith: THE BAD POTENTIALLY VOLUME? >> WELL, AGAIN, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING 120 MILES FOR A COMMUNITY THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM A DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT IS 20 OR 30 YEARS OLD, IT PROBABLY SHOULDN'T SURPRISE US, BUT WHEN WE SEE 344 FALL UNDER THAT 50 NUMBER, AND THEN STAFF AND WE TALK ABOUT WE'RE DOING ABOUT FIVE SITES A YEAR WITH THAT HALF A MILLION DOLLAR BUDGET, NOW, PARKS DOES THEIR PROJECTS AS WELL, AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THAT NUMBER. AND SOME OF THESE LOCATIONS WERE PARKS, SO THAT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. BUT JUST THE NUMBER THAT WE'RE SEEING AND SEEING IF YOU PROJECT THIS OUT TO, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY 200-PLUS LOCATIONS THAT THE CITY ALONE NEEDS TO ADDRESS, I THINK FOR ME, THAT'S THE BIGGER NUMBER OR THE SURPRISE THAT I SAW.pTHE SEVERI THE STREAM BANK PROGRAM FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. FROM A SEVERITY STANDPOINT, PEOPLE WILL CALL US OUT. DON'T LAUGH, WE NEVER LAUGH. THE SEVERITY ISN'T NEAR WHAT WE'D EXPECT, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN LOCATIONS WHERE WE'VE SEEN PARKING LOTS DIPPING, AND SHEAR WALLS. THE GEOMORPHOLOGY COMPONENT OF IT, THAT MAY LOOK LIKE A SHEAR WALL, BUT IT MAY MAKE SENSE, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO ERODE MUCH THERE. THE CONSULTANT PROVIDES THAT DATA TO WHERE WE DON'T JUST LOOK AT IT AND YEAH, WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT. WE'VE GOT, BASED ON THE GEOMETRY OF THE CREEK, BASED ON THE SOIL CONDITION, BASED ON STRUCTURES, ALL THOSE FACTORS COME INTO PLAY. >> Smith: APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK THAT STAFF'S DOING TO MAP ALL THIS OUT FOR US. BUT DO GIVE THE INFORMATION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE SO WE CAN MAKE DECISIONS ON HOW TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THIS. >> YEAH. HOPEFULLY THIS ALL MOVES UP. LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE EXPECTED TO GET THROUGH ALL 90 MILES BEFORE WE START SEEING THE FOLIAGE AND SNAKES. THAT'S NOT A JOKE. HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE INFORMATION THIS SUMMER AND GET BACK TO YOU THIS FALL. >> CALEB, REAL QUICK. IS IT 100 FEET OF GABION WALL, LIKE DOUBLE STACKED? IS THAT ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS? I WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER. WE HAD A MEASUREMENT, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY HOW LONG IT WAS >> YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. ALLISON, IF YOU CAN RECITE THAT OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, SHE DOES THOSE PROJECTS. I MEAN, THERE'S HEIGHT AND WIDTH AND BENDS. >> YEAH, IT DEPENDS ON HEIGHT. I CAN'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. SORRY, I SHOULD HAVE LOOKED BEFORE. BUT YEAH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY 200 TO 300 FEET WOULD BE OVER A MILLION. >> Mayor Muns: THANKS, CALEB. APPRECIATE IT. I THINK WE HAVE SOME SPEAKERS. >> City Clerk: WE HAVE FOUR SPEAKERS. THE FIRST ONE IS BRENT EMKEY. >> GOOD EVENING. I'M BRENT EMKEY, PRESIDENT OF THE HILLS OF INDIAN CREEK HOA. I'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF YOU TWO TIMES BEFORE CONCERNING TWO ISSUES FACING OUR HOA. THE FIRST CONCERNS THE CITY POLICY OF WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY IT IS TO REMEDIATE STREAM BANK EROSION. THE CITY MAINTAINS STORMWATER COLLECTION AND CULVERTS THAT DISCHARGED INTO CREEKS BUT ONCE IT REACHES THE CREEK, IT'S A CRAPSHOOT AS TO WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE, REGARDLESS OF WHERE THAT WATER CAME FROM. IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WE'RE TOLD THE HOA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY EROSION. HOUSES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SAME CREEK ARE TOLD THE CITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY EROSION. IT'S THE SAME WATER THAT FLOWS DOWN THAT CREEK, AND THE OWNERS ON BOTH SIDES PAY THE SAME DRAINAGE FEES THAT'S SUPPOSED TO GO TO PAY FOR ANY REMEDIATION. THE POLICY NEEDS TO BE CHANGED TO THE CITY MAINTAINING CREEKS, AS THEY ARE NORMALLY UNSEEN BUT VERY CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE CITY. STREAMBANKS ARE ERODING, AND A DAY OF RECKONING IS APPROACHING, AND I THINK YOU SEE THAT WITH THE PICTURES. THE EASIEST DECISION FOR YOU TONIGHT IS TO SAY, LET'S PUT THIS OFF, LET'S GET SOME MORE DATA. I URGE YOU TO MAKE THE HARDER DECISION AND REMOVE THE UNCERTAINTY FACING MANY OF YOUR RESIDENTS AND CHANGE THE POLICY TO THE CITY MAINTAINING RESIDENTIAL STREAMBANKS. HOWEVER, THAT'S NOT THE REASON WHY I'M HERE TONIGHT. THE SECOND ISSUE CONCERNS THE STREAMBANK OWNERSHIP. OUR HOA WAS NEVER THE INTENDED OWNER OF THE STREAMBANK, AND WE NEVER RECEIVED A DEED FOR THOSE LOTS. BEYOND MY PREVIOUS COUNCIL PRESENTATIONS, MET WITH CITY MANAGEMENT ON THIS ISSUE ON JANUARY 25th OF 2023, WE RECEIVED A WRITTEN OFFER FROM THE CITY TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THE TWO LOTS IN QUESTION. THE HOA HAD TWO ITEMS TO RESOLVE, A NOTICE OF VIOLATION IN THE FLOODPLAIN, AND PAYING OUTSTANDING REAL ESTATE TAXES. BOTH WERE RESOLVED BEFORE THE SPRING OF 2023. 13 MONTHS AFTER THIS WRITTEN OFFER, WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THE CITY TO COMPLETE THIS TRANSACTION. WE ASK THE CITY COUNCIL TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGEMENT TO BRING THIS GOOD FAITH OFFER TO A POSITIVE OUTCOME TO HOA MEMBERS WHO HAVE BEEN LED TO BELIEVE THAT THIS WOULD HAVE TRANSPIRED ALREADY. >> 20 SECONDS. >> WE HAVE TWO OTHER RESIDENTS THAT WILL SPEAK ON THE IMPACT OF UNCERTAINTY THIS DELAY HAS RESULTED IN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> City Clerk: THE NEXT SPEAKER IS NANCY MARKHAM. >> HI, I'M NANCY MARKHAM, AND I'M A HOMEOWNER IN THE HILLS OF INDIAN CREEK. I'M ALSO IN THE ARCHITECTURAL CONTROL COMMITTEE ALONGSIDE OUR HOA BOARD AND HAVE BEEN A REALTOR FOR OVER 22 YEARS. MY HOME IS ON PELICAN BAY DRIVE AND BACKS TO THE CREEK. WE MOVED THERE IN 2002. THE SHOPS OF WILLOW BEND, STORAGE BUILDINGS, AND APARTMENTS WERE BUILT AROUND THAT TIME UPSTREAM OF OUR HOA. THOSE DEVELOPMENTS CONTAINED MULTIPLE BUILDINGS, LARGE PARKING LOTS, BASICALLY A LOT OF CONCRETE, AND RESULTING IN INCREASED WATERFLOW INTO THE CREEK BEFORE IT ARRIVES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. HOMES BACKING TO THE CREEK HAVE WITNESSED THE WATER LEVEL INCREASING EXPONENTIALLY FROM THE RAIN RUNOFF, AND AS A RESULT, THE STREAMBANK ERODED, ENCROACHING UPON OUR PROPERTY LINES, CAUSING FAILURE TO OUR RETAINING WALLS. WE HAVE DEALT WITH HUGE TREES FALLING BECAUSE THE ROOTS WERE EXPOSED BY THE EROSION, AND WE HAVE SPENT OUR OWN DOLLARS REMOVING FALLEN TREES AND REPAIRING FENCES. THE FACTORS CONTRIBUTING TO THE EROSION ARE NOT IN OUR CONTROL. MOST OF THE WATER FLOW IN THE CREEK DOES NOT COME FROM OUR HOA. THE CREEK EXISTED BEFORE ANY DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA. THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENTS HAVE ALSO INCREASED WATER RUNOFF AND RESULTS IN CREEK EROSION. TO HOLD AN HOA OR PERSON SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE REPAIR OF EROSION ALONG THE CREEK THEY LIVE ON IS UNFAIR. AS I MENTIONED, I'M A REALTOR, AND IN JANUARY OF LAST YEAR, THE CITY MADE AN OFFER TO THE HOA TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THE CREEK LOT. I LISTED THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE ALONG THE CREEK IN SPRING OF 2023. AN OFFER SUBSTANTIALLY ABOVE THE TAX ASSESSED VALUE WAS MADE AND ACCEPTED. DURING DUE DILIGENCE, THE BUYER BACKED OUT, AND ONE OF THE REASONS CITED WAS THE UNCERTAINTY OF THE OWNERSHIP AND RESPONSIBILITY OF THE EROSION REMEDIATION. THIS DIRECTLY IMPACTED MY INCOME AND HIGHER TAX BASE OF THE CITY OF PLANO. I URGE YOU TO ASK CITY MANAGEMENT TO HONOR THE JANUARY 2023 OFFER THE CITY MADE AND TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THE CREEK. CREEK LOTS. I ALSO ASK THE CITY TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER CHANGING CITY POLICY AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR CREEK EROSION, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE PLAT MAP SAYS. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. THANKS. >> City Clerk: AUDREY GILLETTE. >> HI. I AM AUDREY GILLETTE. I LIVE IN THE HILLS, THE INDIAN CREEK NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL, THE PRESTON WOOD AREA. AND I'VE BEEN THERE FOR 20 YEARS. I'VE BEEN A REALTOR WITH REMAX FOR 15 YEARS. I'M THE REALTOR WHO BROUGHT NANCY ONE OF HER BUYERS, AND SO I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT MY BUYER WAS THINKING. AND AFTER DOING INSPECTIONS, IT JUST BECAME TOO MUCH UNKNOWN FOR THEM TO FEEL COMFORTABLE TO GO FORWARD, SO WE LOST OUR SALE. IT'S GOING TO KEEP HAPPENING. IT'S GOING TO BE A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE A TITLE COMPANY IS NOT GOING TO CLOSE ONE OF OUR HOMES BECAUSE OF THE VAGUENESS IN THE OWNERSHIP AND THE MAINTENANCE. SO I WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT. IN THE BEGINNING WHEN OUR COMMUNITIES CAME IN, WE HAD A BUILDING BOOM IN THE '80s AND WENT INTO THE '90s. OUR COMMUNITY WAS PUT IN IN THE '80s. THERE WAS ORIGINALLY SUPPOSED TO BE ONE HOA, SO MAYBE IT DID MAKE SENSE AT THAT TIME FOR THE CREEK LINE TO BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF AN HOA, BUT WHAT REALLY HAPPENED -- I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY REMEMBERS THE RCT DAYS AND THE FORCLOSURES, AND IT WAS NOT A GOOD REAL ESTATE MARKET FOR A WHILE. THERE ARE NOW SEVEN HOAs NOW. SOMEHOW OUR SMALL HOA, 122 PEOPLE, OF WHICH ONLY 20 ARE CREEK LOTS. FOR THAT TO BECOME OUR RESPONSIBILITY, THAT IS, AS NANCY SAID, NOT FAIR. WE WOULD, TO GET ANYTHING PASSED, TO GET ANY WORK DONE, WE'D HAVE TO GET, I BELIEVE, IT'S TWO-THIRDS OF A VOTE FROM OUR SMALL LITTLE GROUP. AND THERE'S NO WAY 67% OF THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO VOTE TO TAKE CARE OF JUST 20 LOTS, ESPECIALLY WHAT WE DO KNOW. I LIVE THERE, I'VE HAD WATER ISSUES. I'VE PUT IN TRIPLE DRAINS. I'VE HAD FOUNDATION ISSUES. I DON'T LIVE ON THAT STREET. BUT I WILL TELL YOU, THE FIRST EIGHT YEARS I WAS THERE, I MOVED IN RIGHT AT 2000, BOUGHT THE HOME AT THE END OF 1999. AND I DIDN'T SEE ANY WATER ISSUES. BUT I WILL SAY, SOMETHING CHANGED UPSTREAM, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN I HAD A TON OF WATER COMING DOWN THE SIDE OF MY HOME. I'VE PUT IN TRIPLE FRENCH DRAINS, I'VE DONE FOUNDATION WORK. MY NEIGHBOR ON THE SAME SIDE, THE SAME THING. SOMETHING CHANGED, AND IT TOOK ABOUT EIGHT YEARS FOR ME TO SEE IT. AND SO UPSTREAM FROM US, WE HAVE WILLOW BEND MALL CAME IN AROUND 2000. IN 19 -- >> City Clerk: 20 SECONDS. >> 1998, THE STORAGE FACILITY CAME IN. LIKE NANCY SAID, THAT IS A LOT OF CONCRETE, AND WE'RE JUST A SMALL LITTLE HOA THAT HAPPENS TO BE IN ITS PATH. THANK YOU. >> City Clerk: THE LAST SPEAKER ON THIS ITEM IS JOEY SEVEN. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JOEY SEVEN. MY WIFE MARILYN AND I LIVE IN THE STATES OF WHITER COVE. WE'VE BEEN 2520 NAPPERTON FOR OVER 20 YEARS NOW. THE ESTATES OF WHITER COVE IS 158 HOMES LOCATED SOUTH OF McDERMOTT AND WEST OF CUSTER. THERE'S A TRIBUTARY OF ABOUT 2000 FEET. YOU SAW ONE OF THE PICTURES THAT CALEB PUT UP THERE THAT TALKED ABOUT THE ESTATES. THE TRIBUTARY IS ABOUT 2000 FEET AND RUNNING THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION FLOWS INTO RUSSELL CREEK. ONE OF THE THINGS WE LEARNED, WE LEARNED A LOT BY DOING THIS RESEARCH AND TALKING AND LEARNING MORE ABOUT THIS. THIS TRIBUTARY IS FED BY TWO 84-INCH CONCRETE CONDUITS. TWO GIANT 84-INCH CONDUITS. AND THAT IS RECEIVING RUNOFF FROM OVER 240 ACRES OF HOMES NORTH OF US. IN ADDITION TO OTHER DRAIN PIPES IN OUR TRIBUTARY AS WELL, THAT INCLUDE DRAINAGE FROM THE ANDREWS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, FLOWS RIGHT INTO THE TRIBUTARY AS WELL. ONE OF THE THINGS WE LEARNED IS THE DEVELOPMENT OF FARMLAND OVER TIME, THE RAIN WATER RUNOFF WAS LOW, LIKE 10 TO 15%. WHEN YOU LOOK AT DEVELOPED LAND, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 90% IS RUNOFF. SO ALL THE CONCRETE ROADS AND SO FORTH, ALL IT RUNS OFF INTO THE TRIBUTARY. SO OVER TIME, THE HEAVY WATER FLOW FROM RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT HAS CAUSED SIGNIFICANT EROSION OF THE TRIBUTARY CREATING IN SOME CASES SAFETY AND STRUCTURAL THREATS TO THE PROPERTIES BORDERING THE TRIBUTARY. THE RESIDENTS OF ESTATES OF WHITTER COVE DO NOT HAVE THE REVENUE SOURCES TO HANDLE THE REPAIRS OF THIS TRIBUTARY. THE BANKS AND THE -- SO WE'RE ASKING THE CITY FOR FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE TO SUPPORT US. THE MOST CRITICAL SITE -- AND WE TALKED ABOUT -- YOU MENTIONED SAFETY. MOST CRITICAL SITE IS ABOUT FOUR FEET AWAY FROM ONE OF THE HOMEOWNERS' FENCE, ABOUT 12 FEET FROM HIS SWIMMING POOL. WELL, YEAH, THAT'S CRITICAL. BUT THE FACT IS, ACROSS THE STREAM, ACROSS THE CREEK THERE IS THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. AND I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS A CHILD, YOU KNOW, IN ELEMENTARY, FIND A TREE, I'LL CLIMB IT. WE'VE SEEN EVIDENCE OF CHILDREN PLAYING ALONG THAT FOUR FEET BACK THERE. AND IF YOU'VE GOT A HEAVY FLOOD RUNNING THROUGH THERE, YOU'VE GOT FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN FEET OF WATER RUNNING IN THERE, AND A CHILD FALLS IN, THAT'S A SAFETY ISSUE IN MY OPINION. SO THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FORMED A CREEK EROSION COMMITTEE IN JULY OF LAST YEAR TO HELP SOLVE THIS PROBLEM. AND THE COMMITTEE HAS BEEN MONITORING THE EROSION AT THOSE PARTICULAR SITES IN THE SUBDIVISION AND REPORTING THOSE TO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. IS THAT TIME? OH NO! I HAVE ONE ANNOUNCEMENT TO MAKE. CAN I MAKE THIS ANNOUNCEMENT REAL QUICKLY? >> Mayor Muns: VERY QUICKLY, THANK YOU. >> WE JUST GOT INTO AN ENDEAVOR WITH SMU UNIVERSITY, THE LYLE SCHOOL OF ENGINEERING, AND THEY'RE GOING TO HELP WITH A TRIBUTARY STUDY AND ASSESSMENT. PROFESSOR JACK FERLINE AND PROFESSOR JOHN EASTON WHO TEACHES HYDROLOGY. AND THE OBJECTIVE IS FOR THEM TO DO ASSESSMENT, DOCUMENT GAIN WORLD RESOURCE AND ALSO GAIN EXPERIENCE FOR THEIR OWN EDUCATION AND CAREERS. A STUDY WILL BE COMPLETED AND WILL BE DELIVERED TO YOU, OKAY, JUST TO BE ABLE TO ADD SOME DATA, ADDITIONAL DATA RESOURCES FOR YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM IS CONSENT AND REGULAR AGENDAS. >> Ricciardelli: MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM P. >> Mayor Muns: ANY OTHER ITEMS? >> YES. >> Ricciardelli: P. >> Mayor Muns: P. >> MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM B AS IN BOY. >> City Clerk: AND WE ALSO HAVE A CITIZEN THAT WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM N. N LIKE IN NANCY. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION OR FUTURE AGENDAS. YES? >> Williams: REGARDING THE STREAMBANK STUDY, I RECOGNIZE IT'S GOING SLOWER THAN WE WOULD LIKE ESPECIALLY SINCE WE HAVE TO DO IT IN WINTER, WHICH IS ABOUT 15 MINUTES LONG IN NORTH TEXAS, AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO ASSESS THE FULL IMPACT UNTIL THE STUDY IS DONE, BUT I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT WE HAVE A POLICY DISCUSSION SOONER THAN WAITING FOR THE END OF ALL OF THE PROPERTIES TO BE EVALUATED. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. >> Tu: I'LL SECOND THAT. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY, ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL TAKE A RECESS AND RETURN AT 7:00. (RECESS) >> Mayor Muns: I NOW DECLARE THAT THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL IS RECONVENED INTO OPEN SESSION, THAT ALL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. WE'LL BEGIN TONIGHT'S REGULAR MEETING WITH THE INVOCATION LED BY PASTOR JULIAN McMILLIAN WITH GRACE CHURCH PLANO, AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND TEXAS PLEDGE LED BY BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA TROOP 380 WITH ST. ANDREW'S METHODIST CHURCH. WOULD YOU PLEASE RISE? >> LET US PRAY. DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER, I THANK YOU FOR THIS MOMENT. I PRAY, GOD, THAT THOSE IN THIS ROOM, WHO ARE WITH US TODAY. I THANK YOU FOR THE CITY OF PLANO, THAT IT WILL CONTINUE TO BE A SAFE, VIBRANT, AND SUSTAINABLE CITY. I PRAY THE RESIDENTS AND THOSE WHO VOLUNTEER, SERVE, AND LEAD, WILL HAVE YOUR STRENGTH, WISDOM, AND YOUR HEALTH. LORD, I PRAY YOU BLESS OUR CITY COUNCIL AND THEIR FAMILIES AND THAT YOU WILL SHOW THEM YOUR WAYS, TEACH THEM YOUR PATH AND LEAD THEM. THANK YOU, LORD, FOR YOUR WISDOM AND PROTECTION. IN YOUR NAME WE PRAY, AMEN. (PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE) (TEXAS PLEDGE) >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. BE SEATED. [ APPLAUSE ] . >> Mayor Muns: SO OUR FIRST PRESENTATION IS THE SALVATION ARMY OF NORTH TEXAS, PRESENTING THE RESULTS OF THE 2023 MAYOR'S RED KETTLE CHALLENGE. SO I'D LIKE TO CALL FORWARD LIEUTENANT MARCUS BACA, SALVATION ARMY OF PLANO, AND DOMINIQUE NOHIE FROM SALVATION ARMY OF NORTH TEXAS. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR MUNS, THANK YOU FOR INVITING US HERE TONIGHT. YES, SO WE ARE HERE. IF YOU DON'T KNOW ME, I'M LIEUTENANT MARCOS BACA. I'M HERE TO PRESENT THE RESULTS FROM THE 2023 MAYORAL RED KETTLE CHALLENGE HEADED UP BY MAYOR MUNS. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SAY FIRST, YOUR LEADERSHIP, MAYOR MUNS, EVEN INSPIRED THE LUCAS MAYOR, MAYOR JIM OAK, TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS CHALLENGE AS WELL, ALONG WITH YOUR COUNCILMEMBERS DURING THAT TIME. SO WE ARE PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE THAT THROUGH ALL OF YOUR EFFORTS, YOU HAVE RAISED $3,467.33 IN DONATIONS FROM THE PLANO AREA. [ APPLAUSE ] AND MYSELF AND DOMINIQUE ARE HERE -- WOULD YOU GRAB THOSE, DOMINIQUE -- TO PRESENT TO MAYOR MUNS AND THE REST OF THE CITY COUNCILMEMBERS A CERTIFICATE OF APPRECIATION FOR YOUR HELP DURING THIS RED KETTLE CHALLENGE. AND WE ARE ALSO HONORED TO PRESENT THE FIRST-PLACE AWARD IN THE MAYORAL RED KETTLE CHALLENGE WITH THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCILMEMBERS, AND THE FIRST PLACE AWARD GOES TO CITY COUNCILMEMBER RICK SMITH. [ APPLAUSE ] RICK SMITH, IF YOU COULD COME UP HERE AND GRAB YOUR AWARD, RICK. YEAH. SO WE HAVE A SPECIAL BILL FOR YOU, RICK. >> GOT YOUR NAME ON IT. >> WE WANT TO PRESENT YOU WITH THIS. THERE YOU GO! >> THAT'S A BELL. >> RICK, YOUR EFFORTS THROUGH THE BELL RINGING AND THROUGH YOUR VIRTUAL KETTLE RAISED $943. SO WE WANT TO THANK YOU, RICK. [ APPLAUSE ]. >> APPRECIATE IT. >> HERE YOU GO. YOU NEED YOUR BELL. >> Smith: OH, YEAH, THANK YOU. >> ONCE AGAIN, WE WANT TO THANK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU FOR PARTICIPATING AND HELPING THE SALVATION ARMY HELP THE CITIZENS OF PLANO TO RAISE MUCH-NEEDED FUNDS FOR THE CITIZENS THAT MAY BE FACING POVERTY OR WHATEVER SITUATION THEY'RE FACING IN PLANO. WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MAYOR MUNS, AS ALWAYS, FOR JOINING IN THE FIGHT AGAINST THE SITUATIONS THAT THE CITIZENS OF PLANO MAY FACE. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LET'S GIVE THEM A HAND. THANK YOU FOR THE SALVATION ARMY. [ APPLAUSE ] (BELL RINGING). >> Mayor Muns: OH, MY GOSH. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REMOVE THAT BELL, I CAN TELL YOU. [ LAUGHTER ]. SO THE BEGINNING OF THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY, 2024, IS BLACK HISTORY MONTH. AND WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION FOR THAT, AND WE WILL BE PROUD TO DISPLAY THIS ACTUALLY ALL THE TIME, BUT ESPECIALLY IN THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY. WHEREAS BLACK HISTORY MONTH HAS BEEN AN ANNUAL UNITED STATES CELEBRATION, SINCE THE BICENTENNIAL IN 1976, WITH A PURPSE TO PROMOTE THE MANY CULTURAL, ECONOMIC S, SOCIAL, A POLITICAL CONTRIBUTIONS MADE BY BLACK MEN AND WOMEN ACROSS THE NATION. THE CITY OF PLANO HONORS ORGANIZATIONS, FAMILIES, AND INDIVIDUALS OF AFRICAN AMERICAN DESCENT IN APPRECIATION OF THEIR INVALUABLE CONTRIBUTIONS TO THIS CITY. WHEREAS BLACK HISTORY HAS A RICH CULTURAL HERITAGE IN PLANO BEGINNING IN THE 1860s WHEN ANDY DRAKE BECAME THE FIRST BLACK MAN TO SETTLE IN PLANO AFTER RECEIVING HIS FREEDOM. TOGETHER WITH MOE SIMPSON, DRAKE FOUNDED A COMMUNITY NAME AFTER ABOLITIONIST FREDERICK DOUGLAS. SINCE THAT TIME, THE AREA ALONG U.S.-75, SOUTH OF 15th STREET, HAS BEEN KNOWN AS THE PLANO DOUGLAS COMMUNITY. AND WE'RE PROUD THAT DESCENDANTS OF THAT DRAKE-STEMSON FAMILY STILL RESIDE IN THOSE SPECIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. WHEREAS WE ENCOURAGE ALL TO DISCOVER THE ACHIEVEMENTS AND SACRIFICES BY AFRICAN AMERICAN MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THE ADVANCEMENT OF HUMAN RIGHTS HERE IN PLANO AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY. NOW, THEREFORE, I JOHN B. MUNS, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PLANO, TEXAS, DO HERE BY PROCLAIM FEBRUARY 2024 TO BE CELEBRATED AS BLACK HISTORY MONTH IN APPRECIATION OF THE MANY ACHIEVEMENTS OF PLANO AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY IN THE CITY OF EXCELLENCE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. [ APPLAUSE ] OKAY. LET'S MOVE ONTO THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> City Clerk: THE CONSENT AGENDA. THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION AND CONTAINS ITEMS WHICH ARE ROUTINE AND TYPICALLY NONCONTROVERSIAL. ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION BY A COUNCIL MEMBER, THE CITY MANAGER OR ANY CITIZEN. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS. >> MR. MAYOR, I MOVE WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEMS B, N, AND P TO BE USED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. >> Williams: SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE EXCEPTION OF B, N, AND P. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES 8-0. ITEM B. >> MAYOR -- OH, GO AHEAD. >> City Clerk: APPROVAL OF AN RFQ NUMBER 2023-0513-B FOR A CONTRACT FOR A CULTURAL ARTS PLAN FOR THE SPECIAL PROJECTS DEPARTMENT TO THE CULTURAL PLANNING GROUP, LLC IN THE ESTIMATED AMOUNT OF $297,520; AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS. >> MAYOR, I PULLED ITEM B. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY IS PREPARED TO MAKE A PRESENTATION. I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY. I WOULD LIKE AFTER -- ASSUMING THIS ITEM PASSES, FOR US TO GET A TIMELINE OF THE EVENTS TO TAKE PLACE AFTER WE HAVE THE CONSULTANT ON BOARD. BUT MOSTLY I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT HOW EXCITED I AM ABOUT THIS. I'VE HAD THE HONOR OF SERVING WITH COUNCILMEMBER RICCIARDELLI PREVIOUSLY AND CURRENTLY WITH DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM TOO AS A LIAISON TO THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION. AND GROWING UP IN PLANO WITH PARENTS WHO HAD SEASON TICKETS TO THE REPERTORY THEATER AND ACTUALLY VOLUNTEERED AT THE CULTURAL ARTS CENTER WHEN IT WAS IN THE RIVERWALK AT COLLIN CREEK MALL. WE'VE WATCH ALL THESE THINGS GO FULL CIRCLE TONIGHT. I UNDERSTAND THE PLANO SYMPHONY IS PUTTING ON A PRESENTATION TO TELL US ABOUT THE NEW SEASON TAKING PLACE IN PLANO. I JUST REALLY WANTED TO PULL THIS BECAUSE TO ME, THIS IS A VERY MOMENTOUS TIME FOR PLANO TO BE DOING WHAT A LOT OF OTHER CITIES HAVE ALREADY DONE AND PUT INTO PLACE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE ARTS. AND WE ARE BRINGING ON BOARD A CONSULTANT TO HELP US DO THIS. WE'VE ASSIGNED A TASK FORCE, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM TU AND I DID, TO HELP ENSURE WE'RE GETTING INPUT FROM ALL OF OUR STAKEHOLDERS IN THE CITY. WE HAD A FEW PEOPLE REACH OUT WONDERING WHY WE DIDN'T HAVE MORE OF THE ARTS COMMUNITY MEMBERS ON THE TASK FORCE. I WANTED TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT THAT WE DO RECEIVE EVERYONE'S INPUT, AND WE DO INTEND TO REACH OUT TO ALL OF THE ARTS GROUPS AND MEMBERS, BUT WE ALSO WANTED A VERY OBJECTIVE GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS TO SERVE AS A SOUNDING BOARD THAT MAYBE ISN'T QUITE AS ALREADY AWARE OF THE ARTS THAT ARE TAKING PLACE IN PLANO. SO FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO AREN'T AWARE, THE MONEY IS COMING FROM OUR HOT TAXES, OUR HOTEL SALES TAXES, WHICH CAN ONLY BE USED ON CERTAIN ITEMS. IN PARTICULAR, THE IDEA IS TO ATTRACT BUSINESS TO PLANO, CULTURAL ENRICHMENT, ECONOMIC IMPACT, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, EDUCATION AND LIFE-LONG LEARNING, HEALTH AND WELL-BEING, TOURISM AND BRANDING, EQUITY AND INCLUSION. AND ONE THING I REALLY WANT TO HIGHLIGHT, AS PLANO IS MATURING AND WE'RE GETTING TO A POINT OF LESS THAN 2% OF GREENFIELD DEVELOPMENT AVAILABLE, IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE VERY MINDFUL IN OUR REDEVELOPMENT EFFORTS AS TO HOW WE INCLUDE THE ARTS IN THAT. AND I FOUND ONE ITEM REFERENCING URBAN REVITALIZATION AND HOW IMPORTANT INVESTING IN THE ARTS CAN BE TO SERVE AS A CATALYST FOR URBAN REVITALIZATION EFFORTS, PUBLIC ART INSTALLATIONS, ART FOCUSED REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS CAN BRING NEW LIFE INTO NEGLECTED AND UNDERUTILIZED AREAS, ATTRACTING INVESTMENT AND SPURRING FURTHER DEVELOPMENT. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS WHY ESPECIALLY AT THIS STAGE IN PLANO'S MATURING GROWTH THAT THE ARTS ARE SO IMPORTANT TO US. AND I HAVE TO PAY TRIBUTE HERE TO MICHELLE, WHO IS STANDING IN FRONT OF US AS OUR DOWNTOWN MANAGER. SHE HELPED US GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO GET OUR HISTORIC ARTS DOWNTOWN DESIGNATION. AM I -- >> CULTURAL DESIGNATION -- >> THANK YOU, WHICH IS REALLY A BIG DEAL. SO WHILE WE DO RECOGNIZE OUR DOWNTOWN AS AN ARTS DISTRICT, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PLANO IS ENJOYING THE ARTS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CITY. IS THERE ANYTHING, MICHELLE, YOU MIGHT LIKE TO ADD TO THAT? >> I THINK YOU SUMMED IT ALL UP. DO YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME? >> NO. WHAT SHE SAID. [ LAUGHTER ] AND I MOVE TO APPROVE, I GUESS, PARAGRAPH B OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> I'LL SECOND THAT. >> Mayor Muns: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE ITEM B ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES 8-0. THANK YOU. [ APPLAUSE ] >> Mayor Muns: ITEM N. >> City Clerk: ITEM N. TO APPROVE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF PLANO, TEXAS, AND SYSGRATION AMERICA CORPORATION, A TEXAS CORPORATION PROVIDING AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GRANT TO THE COMPANY; AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS. >> JENN FOR FER GRACE -- JENNIFER GRACEMAN. I AM OPPOSED TO COUNCIL GIVING MONEY TO COMPANIES ON PRINCIPLE BECAUSE IT IS ECONOMIC FASCISM. BUT Y'ALL KEEP PASSING FASCISM. AS PART OF THE DEAL FOR THIS DEAL, WE GIVE 2,403,975 TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO A COMPANY IN EXCHANGE FOR THEM TO REDO A BUILDING AND HIRE 152 JOBS. THAT COMES TO $15,815 AND AROUND 63 CENTS PER EMPLOYEE. ALSO, THE EMPLOYEES DON'T HAVE TO COME FROM PLANO. THEY CAN COME FROM 14 OTHER COUNTIES AROUND THE PROPERTY. FROM THE TOP OF GRAYSON COUNTY TO THE BOTTOM OF ELLIS IS 142 MILES. FROM PARKER COUNTY ALL THE WAY TO HUNT IS 142 -- ALSO 100 -- NO. 146 MILES, I BELIEVE. WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DRIVE ON? IF YOU REALLY WANT TO DO THIS DEAL, SHORTEN THE MILES WHERE THE EMPLOYEES CAN COME FROM SO THAT AT LEAST MORE RESIDENTS OF COLLIN COUNTY CAN GET THIS AND NOT ALL -- FROM ALL 17 COUNTIES. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: ANTHONY? >> Ricciardelli: THANK YOU, MAYOR. WELL, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR RAISING THOSE POINTS. I AGREE THAT BECAUSE JOBS ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, NECESSARILY GOING TO PLANO RESIDENTS, THAT'S NOT USUALLY MY PRIMARY MOTIVATOR IN THESE AGREEMENTS. AS EVERYONE HERE KNOWS, I VOTED AGAINST ONE OF THESE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS I THINK JUST LAST MEETING. THIS ONE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, GENERATES 4 MILLION AND SOME DOLLARS OF TAX REVENUE TO THE CITY OF PLANO, WHICH MEANS THAT EVEN THOUGH I AGREE WITH MS. GRACEMAN, I DON'T LOVE THAT THIS IS THE REALITY HOW THESE THINGS WORK. I WISH NOBODY WAS GIVING TAXPAYER MONEY TO COMPANES BECAUSE THEN IT COULD BE USED FOR VITAL PUBLIC SERVICES OR STAY IN TAXPAYERS' POCKETS. THAT BEING SAID, IF WE DON'T DO THAT, WE WOULD LOSE THESE BUSINESSES TO OTHER CITIES. IN THIS CASE, WE END UP WITH A COUPLE MORE MILLION DOLLARS COMING INTO THE CITY THAT ARE GOING OUT. THAT MEANS IF THIS COMPANY WENT TO ANOTHER CITY THAT WAS WILLING TO GIVE THEM AN INCENTIVE, WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE ABOUT $2 MILLION LESS REVENUE FOR THE CITY, AND WE AS TAXPAYERS WOULD HAVE TO FILL THAT GAP. SO I AGREE WITH MS. GRACEMAN. I DON'T LOVE THIS SYSTEM. I WISH THE STATE LEGISLATURE WOULD CHANGE IT. BUT THIS IS THE RULES THAT WE'RE PLAYING UNDER, AND IF WE DON'T GET THIS BUSINESS HERE, WE WILL ACTUALLY HAVE TO PAY MORE TAXES AS TAXPAYERS BECAUSE THAT TAX REVENUE WOULD GO TO A DIFFERENT CITY THAT'S WILLING TO GIVE THAT INCENTIVE. SO I AGREE THAT IT'S NOT A PERFECT WORLD, BUT IT'S BETTER THAN THE ALTERNATIVE BECAUSE WE COME OUT AHEAD AS TAXPAYERS. SO WITH THAT, I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO APPROVE ITEM N. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES 8-0. ITEM P. >> City Clerk: ITEM P. ADOPTION OF A RESOLUTION TO APPROVE THE ADDITION OF THE RETAIL REVITALIZATION PROGRAM POLICY STATEMENT TO THE CITY OF PLANO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT POLICY FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> Ricciardelli: THANK YOU. MR. MAYOR, I PULLED THIS ITEM BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS A GOOD PROGRAM WITH GOOD GUARDRAILS, INCLUDING COMING BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. BUT IT'S ONLY A PART OF THE PUZZLE, AND SO I WANTED TO DISCUSS WHAT WE COULD ADD TO IT IN THE FUTURE TO FURTHER BOLSTER OUR EFFORTS TO DEAL WITH THE ISSUE OF DETERIORATING RETAIL, FOUR-CORNER RETAILING AND BIG BOX RETAIL ALL OVER THE CITY OF PLANO. ALSO, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE, WHEN IT GETS TO LISA, BUT IF YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO PUT IT UP SO EVERYONE CAN FOLLOW ALONG, I'VE GOT A LITTLE HANDOUT TO KIND OF -- WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT HERE. ANYWAY -- >> Mayor Muns: DID YOU NOT WANT TO MAYBE DO A WORK SESSION ON THIS OR EVEN PUT IT ON THE RETREAT AGENDA? >> Ricciardelli: ABSOLUTELY. >> Mayor Muns: I THINK THESE ARE ALL REALLY GOOD, BUT I DEFINITELY WANT ALL OF US TO KIND OF BRAINSTORM ON POSSIBLE OPPORTUNITIES FOR OTHER BUSINESSES AND HEALTHCARE AND ALL THESE THINGS. >> Ricciardelli: OH, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY MAYOR. >> Mayor Muns: BUT GO AHEAD IF YOU DON'T MIND. >> Ricciardelli: SO, CERTAINLY. I'LL JUST SKIP TO THE PROPOSAL THEN. BASICALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US LOOK AT AN INCREASE IN THE EMPHASIS ON THE CHANGE OF USES, NOT JUST GETTING DETERIORATING RETAIL TO BE NICER RETAIL, BUT TO CHANGE USES THAT ARE NOT RETAIL. I HAD SOME IDEAS ON HERE ABOUT HOW TO DO THAT. I DO THINK WE SHOULD PUT THIS ON, YOU KNOW, A FUTURE WORK SESSION OR A RETREAT AGENDA. BUT IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT, I GUESS, PREPARE US FOR THAT DISCUSSION, I WAS GOING TO PROPOSE THAT WE GIVE SOME DIRECTION TO THE STAFF ON HOW TO BRING THAT BACK, I GUESS. AND SO I GUESS ON THE FIRST ONE, IT'S A LITTLE SPECIFIC. I'LL BRING THAT BACK AT THE WORK SESSION OR RETREAT. I WOULD JUST LIKE US TO ASK THAT THE STAFF BRAINSTORM CHANGES OF USE, INCLUDING DATA CENTERS THAT I THINK SOMETIMES COULD BE A PARTIAL ANSWER TO THIS. BUT ALSO EVALUATING OTHER CHANGES OF USE AND KIND OF LOOK AT WHAT DIFFERENT USES ARE FEASIBLE FOR EXISTING RETAIL STRUCTURES, BOTH FOUR CORNER RETAIL AND BIG BOX IN PLANO AND BRING THAT BACK TO COUNCIL AT A WORK SESSION OR RETREAT SO THE COUNCIL CAN DISCUSS WHAT CHANGES OF USE MIGHT BE DESIRABLE TO PUT IT INTO POLICY. >> Tu: I JUST WANT TO ASK A QUESTION. ITEM P HAS TO DO WITH THE CURRENT POLICY ADOPTION. SO ARE YOU ASKING FOR ADDITIONS TO BE ADDED TODAY OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THIS IS FINE AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, BUT LOOKING AT MORE POLICY CHANGES AT ANOTHER BRAINSTORMING SESSION? WHAT ARE YOU ASKING? >> Ricciardelli: THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM. THE LATTER. I WAS ABOUT TO MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THIS BUT ALSO ASK THAT THE COUNCIL GIVE DIRECTION AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE START DOING THE HOMEWORK ON WHAT IS THE NEXT PIECE OF THIS POLICY LOOK LIKE, HOW DO WE BROADEN IT TO INCLUDE CHANGE OF USES AND NOT JUST MAKING THE EXISTING RETAIL, YOU KNOW, NICER OR BROUGHT UP TO CURRENT STANDARDS. SO WITH THAT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS AS-IS AND TO ALSO ADDITIONALLY GIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF TO START DOING THAT HOMEWORK TO PREPARE FOR A DISCUSSION IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS ON HOW WE CAN BROADEN THIS TO LOOK AT WHAT USES WE COULD, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT CHANGING EXISTING RETAIL INTO. >> I'LL SECOND THAT AND ALSO SECOND THE PROPOSAL JUST LIKE WHAT SHELBY JUST DID ABOUT PUTTING SOME OF THESE BRAINSTORMS ON POLICIES AT OUR NEXT, I GUESS, GET-TOGETHER SESSIONS WHERE WE TALK ABOUT -- I THINK THERE WAS ONE OF THEM THAT YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT. >> THE RETREAT. >> THE STREAMBANK IN THERE. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A FUTURE SESSION. >> Ricciardelli: I THINK THAT'S GREAT. SO YEAH, TO THE EXTENT THAT MODIFIED MY MOTION, I WILL MAKE THAT MOTION AND APPRECIATE YOUR SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: IS THAT OKAY? ALL RIGHT. >> (AWAY FROM MIC). >> Ricciardelli: YEAH, THE RETAIL STREAMBANK OMNIBUS MOTION. [ LAUGHTER ]. >> Mayor Muns: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE ITEM P. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES 8-0. NEXT ITEM. >> PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. APPLICANTS ARE LIMITED TO 15 MINUTES PRESENTATION TIME WITH A FIVE-MINUTE REBUTTAL, IF NEEDED. REMAINING SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO 30 TOTAL MINUTES OF TESTIMONY TIME, WITH THREE MINUTES ASSIGNED PER SPEAKER. THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY AMEND THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY. NONPUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL PERMIT PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA NOT POSTED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS, LENGTH OF THE AGENDA, AND TO ENSURE MEETING EFFICIENCY, AND MAY INCLUDE A CUMULATIVE TIME LIMIT. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER REQUESTS ARE RECEIVED UNTIL THE CUMULATIVE TIME IS EXHAUSTED. ITEM NUMBER ONE. PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AS REQUESTED IN ZONING CASE 2023-005 TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY, ORDINANCE NO. 2015-5-2, AS HERETOFORE AMENDED, REZONING 89.1 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY, 305 FEET NORTH OF PARK BOULEVARD IN THE CITY OF PLANO, COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS, FROM REGIONAL COMMERCIAL TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT-REGIONAL COMMERCIAL AND REPEALING ORDINANCES NO. 2023-10-4 2001-2-31 2001-5-13 AND 2001-6-27 FOR THE PURPOSE OF RESCINDING SPECIFIC USE PERMITS NO. 56, 434, 444, AND 448 FOR PRIVATE CLUB; DIRECTING A CHANGE ACCORDINGLY IN THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY; AND PROVIDING A PENALTY CLAUSE, A REPEALER CLAUSE, A SAVINGS CLAUSE, A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, A PUBLICATION CLAUSE, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL, AND EXECUTIVES. I AM CHRISTINA DAY, THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING, HERE TO PRESENT TO YOU THE ZONING CASE 2023-005 FOR THE SHOPS OF WILLOW BEND MALL. SO ON THE SCREEN BEFORE YOU, YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF EXHIBITS. THE FIRST SHOWS THE PROPERTY THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF REZONING. THIS HAS A 500-FOOT BUFFER NOTICE PART OF OUR ORDINANCE. YOU HAVE AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH SHOWING YOU THE LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT ON THE PROPERTY AND THE SURROUNDING ADJACENT PROPERTIES. SO THIS IS AN OVERVIEW OF THE REQUEST. AS YOU'LL SEE ON THE GRAPHIC THAT WE'VE PROVIDED HERE, THE COLORED BITS ARE REALLY THE PIECES OF PROPERTY WHERE REDEVELOPMENT IS ANTICIPATED. THE BLACK AND WHITE AREAS ARE EXPECTED TO REMAIN UNTOUCHED WITH THE PLAN THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING. SO THE ZONING IS INTENDED TO FACILITATE THIS AMOUNT OF REDEVELOPMENT. SO UNLIKE OTHER MALL REDEVELOPMENTS THAT WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH IN TOWN, THIS IS NOT KIND OF A WHOLESALE OR ALMOST WHOLESALE CHANGE OF THE SITE. THIS IS COMPARATIVELY A MUCH SMALLER, YET REALLY SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE TO THIS SITE. SO IT DOES INCLUDE DEMOLITION OF OVER HALF A MILLION SQUARE FEET OF THE EXISTING MALL AREA AND MODIFICATION TO PARKING AREAS. HOWEVER, IT WILL RETAIN A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF THE EXISTING MALL, AS WELL AS ANCHORS, THE MALL ANCHORS, THREE MALL ANCHORS, TWO SMALLER RETAIL BUILDINGS, THE DISTRICT, WHICH IS A NEWER ADDITION TO THE PROPERTY, AND THE THREE PARKING STRUCTURES. REDEVELOPMENT SHOWN IN -- THE REDEVELOPMENT OR NEW DEVELOPMENT TO THE PROPERTY INCLUDES AN 18-STORY HOTEL. I KNOW IT'S SOMEWHAT HARD TO SEE THE COLORS THERE, BUT I WILL TELL YOU WHAT I'VE GOT HERE. IN BLUE IT'S AN 18-STORY HOTEL. PURPLE, YOU'VE GOT MIXED USE, 7-STORY MIXED USE BUILDING WITH OFFICE, ABOVE-GROUND FLOOR RETAIL. RED ON THE PLAN INDICATES RETAIL BUILDINGS, ONE TO TWO STORIES. ORANGE ARE FIVE-STORY MID-RISE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS AND A SINGLE THREE-STORY MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING. YOU'VE ALSO GOT A STREET SYSTEM INTERNAL TO THE SITE AND TEN ACRES OF USABLE OPEN SPACE THAT WE'LL HAVE MORE DETAIL ON LATER. SO DISCUSSION POINTS THAT I'M GOING TO RUN THROUGH RATHER QUICKLY, BUT I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ARE THE ADDITION OF HOUSING, CHANGES TO HEIGHT AND SETBACKS, DESIGN STANDARDS, STREETSCAPE, OPEN SPACE, INCLUDING PHASING, THE INFRASTRUCTURE CAPACITY, INCLUDING TRAFFIC AND CONFORMANCE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THIS GRAPHIC ALSO DETAILS MUCH MORE ON THE OPEN SPACE AREAS, GREEN BEING ACTUAL GREEN SPACE, YELLOW, THE INTERNAL ACTIVE AREA WITHIN THE MALL THAT WILL REMAIN, AND PINK INDICATING THE STREET INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S PROPOSED. SO THE ADDITION OF HOUSING, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A MAXIMUM NUMBER OF UNITS AT 965. THIS INCLUDES TWO NUMBERS THAT DON'T ADD UP BECAUSE THEY'RE BOTH A MAXIMUM, BUT THIS IS KIND OF AN EITHER/OR SCENARIO. IT WILL BE EITHER 957 MID-RISE OR INDEPENDENT LIVING UNITS AT FIVE STORIES MAXIMUM. AND THEN ALSO AN ALTERNATIVE TO DO 40 THREE TO FOUR-STORY MULTI-FAMILY UNITS THAT ON THE CURRENT PLAN ARE SHOWN TO WRAP AN EXISTING GARAGE. ALL OF THESE UNITS ARE LOCATED OUTSIDE THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AREA ALONG THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY. THE OPEN SPACE IS REQUIRED WITH EACH RESIDENTIAL PHASE, AND I GET INTO DETAILS OF THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER IN THE PRESENTATION. SINGLE FAMILY WAS RECOMMENDED, AND PART OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAD WITH THE DEVELOPER WAS TO ADD WHAT WE SETTLED ON WAS REALLY THESE 40 TOWN HOUSE-STYLE MULTI-FAMILY UNITS THAT RESEMBLE, AGAIN, TOWNHOMES LINING THE PARKING GARAGE WAS WHAT WE SETTLED ON THERE AS A COMPROMISED POSITION. SO RESIDENTIAL USES AND EXPRESSWAY CORRIDORS WERE DISCUSSED QUITE A BIT BEFORE THE APPLICATION CAME IN. AND SO IN ORDER TO AVOID PLACING RESIDENTIAL USES AS A SENSITIVE USE ALONG THE TOLLWAY FRONTAGE, THAT WAS JUST AVOIDED ALTOGETHER, AND THAT IS NOTED WITHIN THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. BUILDING HEIGHT IS ANOTHER SENSITIVE ISSUE. THE CURRENT ZONING DISTRICT ALLOWS 20 STORIES IN HEIGHT. HOWEVER, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RECOMMENDS ONE TO FIVE STORIES IN HEIGHT IN THIS LAND USE CATEGORY. SO AS A COMPROMISE HERE, THERE ARE TALLER BUILDINGS ALONG THE TOLLWAY FRONTAGE, 725 FEET IS THE LINE INDICATED BY THE DASHED RED LINE ON THE SCREEN. SO THIS WILL ALLOW TALLER BUILDINGS CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING REGIONAL COMMERCIAL ZONING ALONG THE TOLLWAY FRONTAGE. AND THEN A TRANSITION TO A SUBURBAN CHARACTER WITH THE SUBURBAN ACTIVITY CENTER. BEYOND THAT RED LINE AND CLOSER TO THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS FURTHER WEST, IT IS LIMITED TO FIVE STORIES IN HEIGHT, DESPITE THE EXISTING REGIONAL COMMERCIAL ZONING THAT WOULD ALLOW SOMETHING TALLER, THAT IS BEING LIMITED BEYOND THAT POINT TO FIVE STORIES IN HEIGHT. ADDITIONALLY, I'LL NOTE THAT CONSISTENT WITH OUR EXISTING STANDARD, FAA APPROVAL WILL BE REQUIRED ON ANY SITE PLANS TO UPDATES TO THE SITE. SO THERE ARE SOME CHANGES TO SETBACKS FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY, AND THOSE ARE NOTED BY COLORATION ON THE EXHIBIT. INTERNAL STREETS HAVE A MORE MIXED USE FORM WHERE YOU'LL SEE A 15-FOOT SETBACK FROM THE INTERNAL STREETS. THE STANDARD 50-FOOT SETBACK IS MAINTAINED EVERYWHERE YOU SEE PINK. AND THEN AS THERE'S NO PARKING OR ANYTHING BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE HOTEL, THE HOTEL BUILDING AND THE TOLLWAY FRONTAGE, THAT'S REDUCED TO 30 FEET. THE PARKING IS ALL IN THE BACK. AND THEN THERE'S A 40-FOOT SETBACK ON THE CORNER OF PLANO PARKWAY AND CHAPEL HILL THAT IS PROPOSED, AND THAT IS ALLOWED THEM TO UTILIZE THAT SITE MORE EFFICIENTLY BUT ALSO STILL PRESERVE THE TREES. THAT WAS AN EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION ON HOW CAN WE PRESERVE THE EXISTING TREE CANOPY THAT WAS THERE. SO BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS ARE QUITE EXTENSIVE IN THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, TALKING ABOUT ARTICULATION AND DESIGN. SOME CONCEPTS OF MATERIALS, WRAPPING PARKING STRUCTURES, SETBACKS, AND REQUIRING BALCONIES FOR RESIDENTIAL UNITS. OPEN SPACE, THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS FOR TEN ACRES OF OPEN SPACE IN THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, AND SEVEN ACRES HAS TO BE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE, ALTHOUGH, THERE IS PRIVATE OPEN SPACE ALSO REQUIRED, INTERNAL TO THE MULTI-FAMILY UNITS. IT IS PHASED, AND ON THE OPEN SPACE PLAN, THAT IS 13% OF THE SITE. SO THE PHASING IS DONE IN ZONES, AND IN PHASE ONE, THE OUTLINE OF YELLOW IS WHAT IS REQUIRED WITH THE FIRST PHASE. AND THEN THE PURPLE OUTLINE THAT'S NEAR THE TOP OF THE SCREEN, THAT OPEN SPACE AREA IS REQUIRED IN THE SECOND PHASE, AND THAT WILL BE BUILT WITH EITHER THE MULTI-FAMILY UNITS THAT ARE KIND OF TO THE RIGHT, LOWER RIGHT, OR TO THE LOWER LEFT. IT DEPENDS ON, YOU KNOW, HOW THE DEVELOPER WANTS TO PHASE THEIR DEVELOPMENT PLAN. BUT THE YELLOW OPEN SPACE IS INTENDED WITH THE UNITS ON THE HARD CORNER OF PLANO PARKWAY AND CHAPEL HILL. AND THEN THE INTERNAL DEVELOPMENT WILL HAVE THE OPEN SPACE THAT'S OUTLINED IN PURPLE. THEN THE REMAINDER OF OPEN SPACE IS REQUIRED WITH ANY ADDITIONAL UNITS. THE INTERNAL STREET NETWORK IS BASED ON THE CITY'S NEW STREET STANDARDS, TYPE G MIXED USE DESIGN. THERE WILL BE STREET TREES, WIDE SIDEWALKS AT SEVEN FEET, ON-STREET PARKING, TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WAS PROVIDED. THE CITY'S TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING STAFF IS HERE, SHOULD YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS THERE ARE REQUIRED. I'LL TALK ABOUT THOSE. THERE ARE TURN LANES THAT ARE INDICATED IN THERE, AS WELL AS A REVIEW OF SIGNAL TIMING. ADDITIONALLY OF NOTE, AS FAR AS INFRASTRUCTURE CAPACITY IS WASTE WATER. THERE ARE SUBSTANTIAL OFF-SITE WASTE WATER IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE LIKELY REQUIRED AS DEMAND, SO THAT IS ANTICIPATED AS FUTURE ENGINEERING STUDY AND DETAILS ARE FORTHCOMING. SO WITH REGARD TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THIS IS A SUBURBAN ACTIVITY CENTER, I BELIEVE I MENTIONED EARLIER, ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. AND IT IS, I'LL JUST NOTE, A PORTION OF THE SUBURBAN ACTIVITY CENTER, NOT THE ENTIRETY. IT INCLUDES OTHER PROPERTIES OUTSIDE THE IMMEDIATE MALL AREA. SO A SUMMARY, YOU'LL SEE IT DOES MEET THE DESCRIPTION OF -- AND PRIORITIES, THE MIX OF USES IS NOT MET. IT DOES PARTIALLY MEET CHARACTER-DEFINING ELEMENTS. BUT THE PROPOSAL IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH OTHER MAPS, AND THE REDEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION POLICY, AS WELL AS TWO OF THE FIVE REDEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT POLICIES LISTED. IT IS NOT COMPLIANT WITH ONE AND PARTIALLY MEETS TWO OTHERS. SO WE DID NOT HAVE ANY SIGNED LETTERS FROM WITHIN THE 200-FOOT NOTICE BOUNDARY. HOWEVER, WE DID HAVE QUITE A FEW RESPONSES ONLINE OR OTHER LETTERS SUBMITTED FROM SURROUNDING AREAS WITHIN THE CITY. WE HAD 64 UNIQUE RESPONSES, 17 IN SUPPORT, 1 THAT WAS NEUTRAL, AND 46 IN OPPOSITION. WE ACTUALLY HAD A TOTAL OF 80 RESPONSES. HOWEVER, SOME OF THEM WERE DUPLICATE RESPONSES. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS CASE BY A VOTE OF 8-0. FINDINGS ARE REQUIRED FOR APPROVAL OF THIS CASE CONSISTENT WITH THE REGIONAL AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT ACTION ONE, WHICH IS BASED ON THE RESIDENTIAL DASHBOARD FOR THE SUBURBAN ACTIVITY CENTER BECAUSE THIS FALLS OUTSIDE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE MULTI-FAMILY CATEGORY. THE DENSITY IS LIMITED TO 10 TO 50 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, AND THE DENSITY PROPOSED IS 95.4 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. SO THOSE ARE THE TWO REASONS THERE FOR THE FINDINGS, SHOULD THE COUNCIL WISH TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM. SO STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ON THIS ITEM. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, CHRISTINA. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE HAVE SOME PRESENTATIONS? >> YES. GOOD EVENING.SSES ON.- THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING US TO COME BEFORE YOU AND PRESENT THIS PLAN THAT WE HAVE WORKED EXTREMELY HARD ON. AND THE CITY AND THE STAFF HAS WORKED EXTREMELY HARD WITH US TO COME TOGETHER TO CREATE A PROJECT THAT WE ARE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT, THAT WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT AND THAT WE BELIEVE VERY STRONGLY WILL BE THE BEST PROJECT IN PLANO, TEXAS. MY NAME IS STEVEN LEVIN. I AM CEO, FOUNDER OF CENTENNIAL REAL ESTATE. ONE OF THE MAIN PARTNERS THAT BOUGHT THIS PROJECT. WHITNEY LIVINGSTON, OUR PRESIDENT, IS HERE, AND MICHAEL KLATT, OUR HEAD OF MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, IS ALSO HERE. AND WE'LL WALK THROUGH THE PRESENTATION IN MORE DETAIL WITH YOU. I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO JUST MAKE A FEW COMMENTS BEFORE WE REALLY GET INTO THE PRESENTATION. FIRST OF ALL, I'M BORN AND RAISED IN DALLAS. I'VE WATCHED THIS PROJECT SINCE IT WAS BUILT. I GREW UP IN THE RETAIL BUSINESS IN DALLAS, TEXAS. I WAS IN A FAMILY OF RETAILERS. AND OWNING THIS TYPE OF PROJECT IN DALLAS, TEXAS, HAS BEEN A DREAM TO ME. AND BEING ABLE TO ACQUIRE THIS PROJECT REALLY IS THE -- ONE OF THE MOST EXCITING THINGS I'VE DONE IN MY CAREER. BUT WE ARE, AS A RETAIL REAL ESTATE COMPANY, WE BOUGHT THIS PROJECT BECAUSE IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE ONE OF THE MOST DYNAMIC EXCEPTIONAL COMMUNITY-BASED RETAIL, RESTAURANT ENTERTAINMENT SHOPPING DESTINATIONS IN DALLAS/FT. WORTH. THE BEST IN PLANO, TEXAS. BAR NONE. I BELIEVE THAT. I ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE THAT. PART OF THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE WE BOUGHT IT TO RECREATE IT, TO FIX IT FROM WHAT WAS A 20-YEAR-OLD MALL THAT WAS BUILT TO A PROJECT THAT WILL BE THE MOST DOMINANT DESTINATION FOR THE NEXT 30, 40, 50 YEARS. IT WILL SERVE -- I CAN'T EMPHASIZE THIS ENOUGH. IT WILL SERVE THE COMMUNITY OF PLANO TEXAS. IT IS DESIGNED TO CREATE THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, TO BE THE FABRIC OF THE COMMUNITY. IT WILL STILL BE THE LARGEST RETAIL PROJECT IN PLANO, TEXAS. WITH THE CHANGES THAT WE ARE MAKING, WE ARE MAKING THE CHANGES BECAUSE WHILE WE'RE A DALLAS-BASED COMPANY, WE OPERATE NATIONALLY, AND WE HAVE DONE A NUMBER OF THESE PROJECTS NATIONALLY. AND EVERY ONE OF THEM HAS A DEGREE OF CREATING A MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT ALONG WITH A DOMINANT RETAIL PROJECT. THE MIXED USE PORTION OF IT IS FOR THIS PURPOSE. THE SHOPPING DESTINATIONS HAVE BECOME THREE-DAY-A-WEEK PROJECTS. PEOPLE GO THURSDAY AFTERNOON, FRIDAY SATURDAY. THE RETAILERS DON'T SURVIVE WELL IN THAT ENVIRONMENT ANYMORE. THEY NEED SEVEN-DAY-A-WEEK, 18-HOUR-A-DAY DESTINATIONS. THAT'S WHY YOU SEE, LIKE I SAY, THAT'S WHY YOU SEE -- LIKE I SAY, THAT'S WHY YOU SEE HOTEL, RESIDENTIAL, OFFICE AS PART OF A RETAIL ENVIRONMENT BECAUSE IT CREATES THAT SEVEN-DAY-A-WEEK, 18-HOUR-A-DAY ENVIRONMENT THAT THE RETAIL, THE RESTAURANTS, THE ENTERTAINMENTS, EQUINOX NEED IN ORDER TO BE SUCCESSFUL. AND THAT'S THE REASON WE ARE ADDING THE NONRETAIL USES. THAT'S WHAT IT DOES TO SUPPORT WHAT IS GOING TO BE ROUGHLY 800,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL SPACE, WHICH NOBODY WOULD EVER BUILD TODAY. YOU CAN'T BUILD THAT TODAY. THAT'S WHAT'S SO EXCITING ABOUT THIS, IS NOT TEARING IT DOWN BUT RETAINING ALMOST 800,000 FEET TO BE ABLE TO CREATE SOMETHING YOU COULDN'T BUILD TODAY AND YOU WOULDN'T BUILD TODAY, BUT CAN BE SOMETHING THAT IS INCREDIBLY DYNAMIC AND A DESTINATION FOR THE -- FOR PLANO THAT IS HERE NOW, AND WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY COLLECTIVELY TO DO THIS. AND WE HAVE WORKED -- I SAID AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING HEARING, I THINK IT'S BEEN REPEATED A FEW TIMES. LET'S NOT HAVE PERFECT BE THE ENEMY OF GOOD OR VERY GOOD. AND I THINK THAT'S THE IMPORTANT THING IS THIS IS GOOD. THIS IS VERY GOOD. IT'S NOT PERFECT, RELATIVE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. BUT THIS IS A PROJECT THAT, IT'S NOT A PIECE OF LAND. IT'S A PROJECT WE'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN IN AS MUCH OF ITS PRESENT FORM AS WE CAN. AND THAT'S WHY, I THINK THE WAY I WOULD ASK YOU TO LOOK AT IT IS HOW CLOSE WE'VE COME TO CREATING SOMETHING THAT MEETS THE CITY OF PLANO'S OBJECTIVES FOR A SUBURBAN MIXED USE PROJECT. AND IT WON'T EVER GET THIS CLOSE AGAIN. AND I WOULD LOVE THE SUPPORT THAT WE RECEIVED IN PLANNING AND ZONING TO BE RECEIVED HERE TONIGHT. WE WOULD BE TREMENDOUSLY EXCITED TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO WHAT WE THINK IS EXTRAORDINARY FOR THE CITY OF PLANO. I'VE LISTENED TO THE IMPORTANCE OF THE ARTS, THE IMPORTANCE OF OBVIOUSLY GENERATING TAX REVENUE FOR THE CITY. THIS DOES ALL OF THESE THINGS. THIS WILL CREATE THE ARTS. THIS WILL CREATE A PLACE TO GO FOR THE CITY. WE WANT TO INFUSE THE ARTS. WE WILL BRING IT BACK TO A VALUE THAT WILL INCREASE THE TAX REVENUE FOR THE CITY, AND OBVIOUSLY IN OUR EYES, IT CHECKS A LOT OF BOXES FOR THE POSITIVE THAT THE CITY OF PLANO IS TRYING TO ACHIEVE. SO I APPRECIATE IT. AGAIN, I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S INTEREST AND CONSIDERATION FOR WHAT WE EXPECT TO BE A VERY EXCITING PROJECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANKS, STEVEN. AS ALWAYS, HE'S GOING TO MAKE MY JOB VERY EASY TONIGHT AFTER THAT INTRODUCTION, BUT AS STEVEN MENTIONED, I'M WHITNEY LIVINGSTON, PRESIDENT OF CENTENNIAL. I'M GOING TO BRIEFLY INTRODUCE YOU TO CENTENNIAL AND OUR PARTNERS ON THIS PROJECT AND TURN IT OVER TO MICHAEL PLAT WHO WILL TALK ABOUT THE EVOLUTION OF RETAIL REAL ESTATE AND SPECIFICALLY WHAT WE THINK WE CAN DELIVER AT WILLOW BEND IN THE COMMUNITY OF PLANO. SO AS STEVEN MENTIONED, CENTENNIAL IS AN OWNER, OPERATOR, AND DEVELOPER OF RETAIL-CENTRIC AND MIXED USE PROJECTS NATIONALLY. WE ARE PROUD THAT WE ARE A LONG-TERM HOLDER OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE OWN AND ARE AN EXPERT IN DELIVERING DOMINANT DESTINATIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE A CORE OF RETAIL AS THEIR AMENITY. WE ARE FULLY INTEGRATED SERVICES PLATFORM BASED HERE IN DALLAS WITH OVER 75 RESIDENTS HERE IN THE METROPLEX AND OVER 350 EMPLOYEES NATIONALLY ACROSS THE COUNTRY. OUR PARTNER CALLY IS ALSO A DALLAS-BASED COMPANY FOUNDED IN 1996. THE CALLY TEAM HAS EXPERIENCED IN MORE THAN 15 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF DEVELOPMENT AND ACQUISITION ASSETS IN OFFICE, RETAIL, INDUSTRIAL, AND MULTI-FAMILY, MANY OF WHICH ARE HERE IN THE CITY OF PLANO. TODAY CENTENNIAL'S PORTFOLIO CONSISTS OF 35 ASSETS IN 15 STATES, TOTALING OVER 24 MILLION SQUARE FEET ACROSS THE COUNTRY WITH 65% OF THAT GROSS LEASABLE AREA IN ENCLOSED REGIONAL MALLS RIPE FOR REDEVELOPMENT, MANY OF WHICH ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION CURRENTLY. SINCE ACQUIRING THE SHOPS AT WILLOW BEND IN MAY OF 2022, WE HAVE BEEN FOCUSED ON HOW WE CAN REVITALIZE THIS PROJECT AND DELIVER, AS STEVEN MENTIONED, A RETAIL-DOMINANT DESTINATION HERE. SINCE ACQUISITION, WE HAVE BEEN APPLYING OUR EXPERIENCE NATIONALLY AND ON COMPARABLE PROJECTS, AS WELL AS LISTENING TO THE PLANO COMMUNITY AND LEARNING WHAT THEY NEED AND WHAT THEY WANT. ON THIS LISTENING TOUR, WE HAVE HOSTED THREE MEETINGS WITH OUR EXISTING TENANTS AT THE PROPERTY, AS WELL AS THE ADJACENT FOUR HOAs TO THE ASSET. WE HAVE ALSO HOSTED A WIDESPREAD COMMUNITY MEETING WITH OVER 60 RESIDENTS IN ATTENDANCE. IN ADDITION TO PROVIDING MULTIPLE CHANNELS AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR RECEIVING FEEDBACK VIA E-MAIL OR SOCIAL MEDIA FROM RESIDENTS, WE ALSO CREATED A COMMUNITY ROOM IN A CENTRAL LOCATION OF THE PROJECT WHERE BOTH MICHAEL AND MYSELF SPENT OVER 45 HOURS IN THE MONTH OF DECEMBER THERE LISTENING TO TENANTS AND AVAILABLE TO SHARE MORE INFORMATION ON THE PROJECT. MUCH OF THAT FEEDBACK THAT WAS RECEIVED OVER THE LAST 20 MONTHS HAS BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THE PLAN THAT MICHAEL IS GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH TODAY. ALL OF THAT BEING SAID, WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL TO BE ENGAGED IN A COMMUNITY THAT IS EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT, THAT IS PROVIDING FEEDBACK, AND THAT CLEARLY CARES ABOUT THE SUCCESS OF THE PROJECT GOING FORWARD. THANK YOU. >> HI, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING TO US TONIGHT. WE ARE, AS YOU CAN TELL, VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS PROJECT. IT'S SOMETHING THAT I PERSONALLY SPEND A LOT OF MY LIFE ON, AND I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. IT TRULY IS THAT SPECIAL OF A PROJECT. THE COMMUNITY ROOM OBVIOUSLY WAS GREAT. I GOT A CHANCE TO MEET A LOT OF PLANO RESIDENTS AND HEAR THEIR THOUGHTS. IT WAS ACTUALLY VERY -- A TASK I WASN'T ACTUALLY NECESSARILY LOOKING FORWARD TO INITIALLY. IT BECAME VERY BENEFICIAL TO ME AND I REALLY FELT ENGAGED AND INVIGORATED BY IT. A REALLY GREAT OPPORTUNITY AND REALLY HELPFUL. THIS SLIDE IS IS A SLIDE THAT'S PROBABLY THE LEAST INTERESTING GRAPHICALLY OF ANYTHING YOU'LL SEE TONIGHT. IN THE COMING MOMENTS WE'LL SEE WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THIS ASSET, BUT THIS IS REALLY THE WHY, AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO START. ON THE LEFT SIDE YOU SEE SUBURBAN SHOPPING CENTER, YESTERDAY SUBURBAN MALL. THAT IS REALLY THE CLIMATE UNDER WHICH WILLOW BEND WAS BUILT. COMING OUT OF THE GROUND AT VERY MUCH THE TAIL END OF THE REGIONAL SHOPPING MALL BOOM THIS REALLY STARTED -- KIND OF HIT ITS STRIDE IN THE '70s AND '80s. WILLOW BEND COMING OUT OF THE GROND IN 2021, VERY MUCH ON THE TAIL END, AND BUILT TO A STANDARD THAT WAS ALREADY SORT OF LOSING FAVOR. NUMBER OF ACRES -- SORRY, NUMBER OF ANCHORS AT THE TIME OF GRAND OPENINGS, THERE WERE FIVE ANCHORS ON THE CENTER. 660,000 SQUARE FEET OF SMALL SHOP GLA, BUILT FOR A TIME FOR DIFFERENT CONSUMER SPENDING PATTERNS AND REALLY A DIFFERENT MERCHANDISING MIX. YOU SAW A TOTAL OF 1.5 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL GLA IN THE CASE OF WILLOW BEND. TODAY, THAT IS NOT AS DESIRABLE AS WHAT WE'RE -- EXCUSE ME, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS MIXED USE DESTINATION OF THE FUTURE. AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, THE DIFFERENCES ARE PRETTY STARK. OBVIOUSLY MUCH LESS GLA. AS STEVEN MENTIONED, THE GLA IS RELIANT ON THE OTHER USES OF PROPERTY TO HELP DRIVE TRAFFIC AND FREQUENCY OF VISITATION. THERE'S REALLY A MIX OF USES IN TERMS OF SHOPPING, DINING, ENTERTAINMENT, AND MIXING IN OFFICE MULTI-FAMILY HOSPITALITY, ENTERTAINMENT, ET CETERA. AND TRUTHFULLY, A REAL FLIP IN THE MERCHANDISING IN TERMS OF MUCH LESS RELIANCE ON APPAREL AND ACCESSORIES AND MORE RELIANCE ON THINGS TO DO. A FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING WILL REALLY RESPOND WELL AND POSITION IT FOR ITS NEXT 25 YEARS OF LIFE. TODAY, HERE'S THE PLAN. IT'S A 1.5 MILLION SQUARE FEET, THREE ANCHORS LEFT, IN ADDITION TO THE RESTAURANT DISTRICT AND THE ENTERTAINMENT AREA, AS WELL AS WHERE EQUINOX AND CRATE AND BARREL ARE. AGAIN, YOU SEE THAT COME TOGETHER UNDER ONE ROOF. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS RIGHT SIZING THIS ASSET, REPOSITIONING THE REAL ESTATE TODAY THAT IS CHALLENGED FROM A LEASING STANDPOINT, THAT IS KIND OF NOT IN FAVOR WITH BOTH TENANTS AND CONSUMERS, AND AS YOU CAN TELL, IF YOU'VE WALKED THE PROPERTY IN RECENT MONTHS, VERY CHALLENGED FROM THE LEASING STANDPOINT. TAKING THAT REAL ESTATE AND REDEPLOYING IT IN A WAY THAT IS MORE VIBRANT AND MORE RELEVANT IS CERTAINLY THE ORDER OF THE DAY AND REALLY WHAT OUR VISION HOLDS FOR THIS ASSET. CREATING SOMETHING THAT IS SYNERGISTIC, THAT IS WALKABLE, ENGAGING AND A PLACE FOR THE COMMUNITY TO CONGREGATE, ENJOY, EXPERIENCE, AND EXPLORE, IS VERY IMPORTANT. LEVERAGING THE SUCCESS OF THE RESTAURANT DISTRICT ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, CONNECTION TO A NEW CENTRAL GREEN SPACE, A NEW FRONT DOOR TO A SHOPPING CENTER THAT MEDIATES BETWEEN ENCLOSED SHOPPING AND EXTERIOR SHOPPING. WORKING YOUR WAY TO THE WEST TOWARD CHAPEL HILL IS A NEW PEOPLE PARK. AND OFF TO THE KIND OF SOUTH AND WEST OVER BY THE MULTI-FAMILY IS WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED AS A DOG PARK. SO FOUR SEPARATE DISTINCT GREEN SPACES INTEGRATED AND VIBRANT WITH HIGHLY AMENITIZED STREET SCRAPE FUELED BY THE ENERGY OF RESIDENTS BY OFFICE WORKERS, BY HOTEL GUESTS, AND BY PATRONS OF THE RETAIL TENANCY. THAT'S A REALLY QUICK OVERLAY OF USAGE DIAGRAM. PLANNING DIRECTOR DAY KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THE MORE DENSITY ALONG THE TOLLWAY SIDE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND WORKING INTO A MORE RESIDENTIAL, A LITTLE BIT LOWER SCALE AS WE WORK TO THE WEST. VERY IMPORTANT AS WE INTEGRATE THIS PROPERTY INTO ITS ENVIRONMENT. AND THEN QUICKLY, INTO SOME RENDERINGS TO REALLY GIVE A SENSE OF THE ENVIRONMENT WE'RE LOOKING TO CREATE. VERY DIFFERENT FROM TODAY. YOU'D BE STANDING IN THE FOOD COURT, LOOKING TOWARD NEIMAN'S, VERY VIBRANT, VERY HIGHLY AMENITIZED, BEST-IN-CLASS RETAIL MERCHANTS THAT WE CAN ATTRACT, SUPPORTED BY RESIDENTS, SUPPORTED BY OFFICE WORKERS. AGAIN, A GREAT PLACE TO COME CONGREGATE AND EXPLORE. A LOOK HERE TODAY IS KIND OF WITH YOU'RE BACK TO THE EXISTING SHOPPING CENTER LOOKING AT THE RESTAURANT DISTRICT THAT IS BUILT BUT NOT COMPLETE. OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY FILL THAT OUT AND ENCAPSULATE IT ALONG THE END WITH THAT HOTEL, REALLY KIND OF CREATING THAT COURTYARD VISION IN A DYNAMIC SPACE TO EXPERIENCE AND ENJOY A FAMILY MEAL OR A DRINK WITH FRIENDS. GREAT PLACE TO KIND OF RECREATE. IN THE SAME AREA WITH THE HOTEL BEHIND YOU LOOKING BACK INTO THE RESTAURANT DISTRICT, YOU SEE SUPPORT FOR THEM WITH GREAT COMPLEMENTARY RETAILERS THAT FULLY BUILD OUT THAT AREA AND CREATE THAT VIBRANT AND SENSE OF PLACE THAT WE ALL STRIVE TO BE PART OF. THIS IS NOW LOOKING FROM WHAT WILL BE THE NEW FRONT DOOR. TODAY YOU'RE LOOKING THROUGH A TWO-STORY SHOPPING CENTER THAT IS NOT TENANTED AS WELL AS ANY OF US WOULD LIKE, AND WE BELIEVE IN THE FUTURE WE COULD HAVE SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS. AGAIN, VERY VIBRANT STREETSCAPE, FULL OF OUTDOOR DINING OPPORTUNITIES, HIGHLY AMENITIZED GROUND PLAINS, GREAT STOREFRONTS, SIGNAGES, AND AMENITIES AND A VIBRANT PLACE TO ENJOY WITH FAMILY AND FRIENDS. THAT'S LOOKING TOWARD THE FRONT DOOR, A GREEN SPACE WHERE WE CAN HOST EVENTS, GREAT OPPORTUNITIES FOR MUSIC AND CONCERTS IN THE PARK, OPPORTUNITIES FOR POPUP RETAIL, A SPACE WE DON'T HAVE TODAY AT THE SHOPPING CENTER BUT VERY MUCH RELEVANT IN TODAY'S ENVIRONMENT. THIS IS A VIDEO THAT KIND OF TIES THAT TOGETHER. THAT'S THE FIRST TIME THAT WORKED AS QUICKLY AS IT DID. VERY NICE WAY, YOU'LL SEE ALL THE RENDERINGS THAT YOU JUST SAW. WE'LL THAT IS THE NEW FRONT DOOR, KIND OF THE GREEN SPACE ON THE FOREGROUND, CENTER OF THE FRAME. IT WILL DROP DOWN INTO THAT SHOPPING STREET AND YOU'LL GET A SENSE OF THE ENVIRONMENT WE'RE LOOKING TO CREATE HERE. THE FOREGROUND IS EXISTING RESTAURANT DISTRICT. DILLARD'S DEPARTMENT STORE THAT IS THERE AT THE NORTHERNMOST PART. HERE YOU'LL DROP INTO THE STREET AND YOU'LL GET A GOOD SENSE OF WHAT IT IS WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE. OPPORTUNITIES FOR TREMENDOUS RETAIL. FOREFRONT AT THE BASE OF THE MULTIFAMILY BUILDING AND AN ENVIRONMENT THAT WE JUST DON'T HAVE TODAY. REALLY GIVE US THE ABILITY TO BRING IN DIFFERENT MERCHANTS THAN WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO ATTRACT. OUTDOOR DINING, GREAT SENSE OF PLACE. HIGHLY AMENITIZED LANDSCAPED BUILT TO PLANO STANDARDS. ON-STREET PARKING. GREAT KIND OF FUN AND VIBRANT PLACE TO REALLY JUST BE. LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING THIS. SPACE AT THE FRONT DOOR THAT WILL BE PROGRAMMED ON A REGULAR BASIS. FOR A MOMENT WE'RE JUST GOING TO SLIDE RIGHT THROUGH THE KIND OF MU STREET WHICH IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE PARTS OF THE PROJECT. AS WE CONNECT THAT GREEN SPACE INTO THE RESTAURANT DISTRICT THAT EXISTS TODAY. LOTS OF GREAT PLACES TO EXPLORE. GREAT NEW OPPORTUNITIES. MEXICAN BAR THERE. THAT'S OUR BEST IN CLASS RETAILERS. HAPPY TO HAVE THEIR SUPPORT FOR THIS PROPERTY. ENVIRONMENT THAT ULTIMATELY WE BUILT OUT. TODAY, THAT'S NOT FULLY COMLETE BUT IN TOMORROW'S WORLD IT COULD LOOK SOMETHING LIKE THAT. FINALLY, A LITTLE BIT OF -- WE WOULDN'T BE COMPLETE IF WE DIDN'T TAKE A LOOK AT SOME BRANDING, RECOGNIZING THAT WILLOW BEND HAS A LOT OF HISTORY. WE DIDN'T WANT TO STRAY TOO FAR FROM THAT BUT WE ALSO RECOGNIZE WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE AS SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT AND WE FELT LIKE IT NEEDED A LITTLE BIT OF A SHOT IN THE ARM. SO PLAYING WITH THE VERBIAGE THAT'S THERE AND JUST KIND OF AMENDING IT FOR TODAY'S ENVIRONMENT. TWEAKING THAT TO THE BEND. WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN LOOKING AT A COLOR PALETTE, LEASING MATERIALS. GREAT PHOTOGRAPHY, LAYERING IT VERY FASHION FORWARD, VERY ON TREND AND A VIBRANT AND SUCCESSFUL APPROACH TO THE BRANDING OF THIS ASSET. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TONIGHT. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, MICHAEL. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND LISTEN TO THE REST OF THE SPEAKERS AND IF THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, WE'LL COME BACK. >> THE FIRST SPEAKER IS JENNIFER GRACEMAN. >> HELLO AGAIN. I LIVE CLOSE TO THIS MALL AND I DON'T WANT THIS PROJECT. THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT, ACCORDING TO CITY STAFF AT PLANNING AND ZONING, THE CITY WILL NEED ADDITIONAL OFF-SITE WASTEWATER DUE TO THE INCREASE IN SEWER DEMAND. WE DON'T EVEN HAVE ENOUGH WATER TO SUPPORT ANY GROWTH BECAUSE TEXAS IS RUNNING OUT OF IT. THIS GRAPH FROM THE TEXAS WATER DEPARTMENT BOARD SHOWS THE AMOUNT OF WATER WE HAVE AND THE PROJECTED AMOUNT VERSUS THE POPULATION NOW AND IN THE FUTURE. THE RED LINE IS WATER. THE BLUE LINE IS PEOPLE OR DEMAND. SEE THE PROBLEM? TOO MANY PEOPLE, NOT ENOUGH WATER. YES, TEXAS COULD BUILD MORE LAKES BUT THEY WILL NOT BE DONE BY THE TIME THIS PROJECT IS. OR THE ONES WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN THE MIX AS I SPEAK. WE ALSO DON'T HAVE ENOUGH POWER. IN NOVEMBER ERCOT SAID THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE OF GOING INTO EMERGENCY OPERATIONS IF WE HAVE A BAD STORM OR A HEAT WAVE. THAT MEANS ROLLING BLACKOUTS. WE ALSO NEED STREET IMPROVEMENTS FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. WHO WILL PAY FOR THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT AND THE ROADS? THE PLAN DOES NOT CONFORM TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I AM STARTING TO WONDER IF IT EVEN MATTERS TO YOU. THE DEVELOPER CLAIMS THAT THE SHOPPING MALL CANNOT WORK ANYMORE. NORTH PARK PROVES THE OPPOSITE. IT'S THRIVING. MY SKATING COACH LIVES BETWEEN WILLOW BEND AND THE GALLERIA YET HE WILL DRIVE ALL THE WAY TO NORTH PARK BECAUSE IT HAS STORES THE OTHER TWO DON'T HAVE. OF COURSE, THE OWNER OF WILLOW BEND IS AN INVESTMENT FIRM, NOT A MALL MANAGER SO RUNNING A MALL IS NOT THEIR OBJECTIVE. THE DEVELOPER CLAIMS THEY WILL& BUILD SOMETHING UNIQUE. HOWEVER, WHAT I SAW WAS JUST ANOTHER MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WE HAVE PLENTY OF AND I WILL NOT GO TO. THE DEVELOPER REFUSES TO DO OWNER-OCCUPIED CONDOS SO THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL NOT BRING PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PUT DOWN ROOTS AND INSTEAD IT WILL ONLY HAVE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS, ACCORDING TO A SURVEY FROM RESIDENT RATED. AND THEN THEY'LL MOVE ELSEWHERE. IF THE MALL OWNER AND COUNCIL WANT TO MAKE THIS MALL THAT IS YOUNGER THAN MY OLDEST DAUGHTER SUCCESSFUL, THINK OUT OF THE BOX. ONE BUSINESS OWNER TURNED A SAKS FIFTH AVENUE INTO A PRIVATE PICKLEBALL CLUB. HOW ABOUT A MOVIE THEATER? THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NORTH PARK, THE GALLERIA IS THEY HAVE OWNERS WHO WANT THE MALL TO THRIVE. McCPLANO IS NOT AN ISLAND. WE RELY ON THE COUNTY AND STATE FOR POWER AND WATER. WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH CONSTABLES. PLANO COUNCIL NEEDS TO STOP APPROVING DEVELOPMENTS THAT WILL GROW OUR POPULATION AND START THINKING ABOUT ALL THE RESOURCES THOSE PEOPLE WILL NEED OR WE WILL HAVE LOTS OF PEOPLE WITHOUT POWER, WATER, AND SEWER. VOTE NO, PLEASE. >> LEO CASEY. >> HONORABLE MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. I STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY TO ADVOCATE FOR A CAUTIOUS APPROACH TO THE PROPOSED WILLOW BEND ZONING CHANGE. THEY'LL EVENTUALLY LEAD TO A TAXPAYER INVESTMENT IN A SECOND MALL DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM FOR OUR CITY. WHILE ECONOMIC GROWTH AND EXPANSION ARE VITAL FOR PLANO PROSPERITY IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT WE EXERCISE PRUDENT, FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY. FIRST AND FOREMOST, BEFORE COMMITTING TO ANY ZONING CHANGE THAT WOULD LEAD TO A PARTIALLY-FUNDED CITY DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, WE NEED TO DETERMINE WHAT THE INVESTMENTS IN TAX DOLLARS WILL BE. WILL WE NEED MORE WATER, SEWAGE, ELECTRICAL, AND STREET IMPROVEMENTS ALL FUNDED BY PLANO'S CITIZENS' TAX DOLLARS? IF WE GO BY THE COLLIN CREEK MALL PROJECT, NOT MUCH. CLOSED IN 2019, MUCH OF THE EXPANSION AND DEVELOPMENT IS SUPPOSEDLY UNDERGRUND AND WE CANNOT SEE THE MASSIVE IMPROVEMENTS . BEFORE YOU IMPROVE WE MUST ESTABLISH A ROBUST OVERSIGHT MECHANISM TO MONITOR THE PROJECT'S PROGRESS AND EXPENDITURES. THIS OVERSIGHT SHOULD INVOLVE REGULAR REPORTING TO THE COUNCIL AND INDEPENDENT AUDITS TO ENSURE TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY. THERE IS A HIGH RISK OF MISUSE OF PUBLIC FUNDS. WE'VE ALREADY SEEN COLLIN CREEK PROJECT TURNED INTO THE PROJECT THAT NEVER WAS, SUCKING IN CITY DOLLARS LIKE A BLACK HOLE. FURTHERMORE ANY CONTRACT WITH THE DEVELOPER MUST INCLUDE GUARANTEES TO PROTECT THE- CITY'S INTERESTS. THESE GUARANTEES SHOULD OUTLINE SPECIFIC MILESTONES AND BENCHMARKS THAT THE DEVELOPER MUST MEET TO RECEIVE ADDITIONAL FUNDING OR ANY INCENTIVES. BY INCORPORATING PERFORMANCE-BASED CLAUSES INTO THE CONTRACT, WE CAN ENSURE THAT THE DEVELOPER DELIVERS ON THEIR PROMISES. AND THAT TAXPAYERS' MONEY IS NOT SQUANDERED ON PROJECTS THAT FAIL TO DELIVER AND FALL OVER TIME. ADDITIONALLY, IT IS CRUCIAL TO NEGOTIATE TERMS THAT MITIGATE THE FINANCIAL RISK TO THE CITY AND ENSURE THAT THE INVESTMENT IS NOT A ONE-WAY STREET FLOWING FROM TAX DOLLARS TO THE DEVELOPER. THIS COULD INCLUDE PROVISIONS SUCH AS A REVENUE-SHARING AGREEMENT OR A CLAWBACK PROVISION WHICH THE CITY RECOUPS FUNDS IF THE PROJECT FAILS TO MEET ITS SPECIFIC TARGETS. AS A FISCAL RESPONSIVE CITIZEN AND CONSERVATIVE, I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF IMPORTANCE -- >> 20 SECONDS. >> WE MUST PRIORITIZE PROJECTS THAT OFFER A TANGIBLE RETURN ON OUR INVESTMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY AND MINIMIZE THE BURDENS ON TAXPAYERS. WHILE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS ESSENTIAL, WE MUST PROCEED WITH CAUTION TO ENSURE THAT ANY DEVELOPMENT IN A SECOND MALL DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY. [TIMER] I URGE YOU TO VOTE NO ON PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE UNTIL YOU CAN PROVE TO TAXPAYERS THAT WHAT I'VE OUTLINED WILL BE IN PLACE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION IN THIS MATTER. AND HAVE A GOOD DAY. >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS DARRELL RODENBAUGH. >> GOOD EVENING. MAYOR MUNS, PLANO CITY LEADERSHIP, MY NAME IS DARRELL ROSENBAUGH. I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF SERVING AS THE VOLUNTARY CEO OF THE TEXAS PERFORMING ARTS WORKING WITH OUR THEATER IN THE MALL ALMOST EVERY DAY FOR THE PAST SEVEN YEARS. ON BEHALF OF THE PLANO CHILDREN'S THEATER AND ON BEHALF OF THE 160 VOLUNTEERS ON OUR 11 BOARDS AND DIRECTORS, THE THOUSANDS OF OTHER SUPPORTERS THAT MAKE OUR WORK POSSIBLE, MANY HERE TONIGHT, AND ON BEHALF OF OUR 11,000 STUDENTS AND THE 300,000 VISITORS THAT CAME THROUGH OUR DOORS AT THE SHOPS AT WILLOW BEND, WE ARE ASKING FOR YOUR APPROVAL FOR CENTENNIAL'S REZONING OF WILLOW BEND. WE HAVE REACHED AN AGREEMENT WITH CENTENNIAL TO SECURE A HOME FOR TEXAS PERFORMING ARTS. THE OLDEST THEATER COMPANY IN PLANO AND PLANO'S LARGEST ARTS ORGANIZATIONS. TO MAKE ITS HOME AT THE SHOPS OF WILLOW BEND IN WHAT WILL BE THE PREMIER DESTINATION FOR THE DFW AREA FOR THE NEXT 11 YEARS. OUR HEARTFELT THANKS AND GRATITUDE GO OUT TO OUR FRIENDS WITH CENTENNIAL AND THEIR PARTNERS, IN PARTICULARLY ITS FOUNDER AND VISIONARY, MR. STEVE LEVIN AND HIS TEAM. THEY ARE MAKING AN INVESTMENT IN THE PLANO COMMUNITY WITH RENT ABATEMENTS AND OTHER CONTRIBUTIONS VALUED AT OVER $5 MILLION OVER THE PERIOD OF THIS AGREEMENT. WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR WHAT REPRESENTS ONE OF THE LARGEST GIFTS TO THE PERFORMING ARTS AND THE PLANO COMMUNITY IN PLANO'S HISTORY. ILLUSTRATING CENTENNIAL'S COMMITMENT TO BE RELIABLE PARTNERS, A RESPONSIBLE STEWARD, AND A GENEROUS NEIGHBOR TO THE CITIZENS OF PLANO. THANK YOU, MR. LEVIN. THIS PATH WON'T BE EASY. WHILE HOPEFUL FOR YOUR APPROVAL TONIGHT WE WILL BE GOING THROUGH A CHALLENGING RECONSTRUCTION AND MOVE INTO NEW FACILITIES AND THAT WILL BE TAKING PLACE IN THE MIDST OF A CONSTRUCTION ZONE FOR YEARS TO COME. WE WILL NEED TO SECURE FUNDING AND IF WE MOVE WE WILL LIKELY SHOULDER A PORTION OF THE COST TO REBUILD. WITH ALL THAT, N THE END WE CONCLUDED THAT THE RIGHT THING FOR THE CITY OF PLANO, FOR THE SHOPS AT WILLOW BEND AND FOR THE COMMUNITY AT-LARGE AND THE NORTH TEXAS PERFORMING ARTS WAS TO STAND IN SUPPORT OF PROGRESS FOR THIS EXCITING NEW COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENT. MY THANKS TO MAYOR MUNS AND THE MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND CITY MANAGER ISRAELSON FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND ALL OF YOUR COURAGE. THIS WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE WITHOUT YOUR SUPPORT AND ENCOURAGEMENT. IT IS REMARKABLE TO LIVE IN A CITY SO COMMITTED TO THE ARTS WITH THE LEADERSHIP SO DEVOTED TO ITS CITIZENSHIP. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND FOR YOUR APPROVAL OF THIS MEASURE AND FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITY OF PLANO. >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS PAUL EVANS. >> HONORABLE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM. MY NAME IS PAUL EVANS. 3401 WEST PARK DRIVE, 75093. I AM PROUD TO CALL PLANO MY HOME FOR ALMOST 28 YEARS AND HAVE SERVED AS THE FOUNDING CO-PERSON AND CURRENTLY SERVE AS ITS VICE CHAIR. I SUPPORT THIS REZONING PROJECT . MY HOME WAS A MILE NORTH OF THE MALL. MY SPOUSE AND I LIVE, WORK, AND SHOP IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA. I HAVE SEEN THE PROPOSED PLAN AND SUPPORT THE TYPES OF HOMES, RETAIL, AND HOTEL THAT IS PROPOSED FOR THIS AREA. IT IS AN EFFECTIVE USE FOR THIS PROPERTY AND IT WILL BE A HUGE BENEFIT TO THIS AREA OF PLANO. I KNOW THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC AND DENSITY BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE ADVANTAGES OF THIS MALL'S TRANSFORMATION FAR OUTWEIGH THE POSSIBLE NEGATIVE EFFECTS. WHEN THE SHOPS AT WILLOW BEND WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED THE SURROUNDING INFRASTRUCTURE WAS BUILT OR MODIFIED TO HANDLE THE EXPECTED INCREASED TRAFFIC FLOW. UNFORTUNATELY THAT INCREASE NEVER MATERIALIZED AND I BELIEVE THE NUMBER OF NEW HOMES PLANNED WILL NOT HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON OUR LOCAL TRAFFIC. THIS TRANSFORMATION WILL ALSO BE GOOD FOR THE NEARBY RETAILERS. SHOPS AT WILLOW BEND SIMPLY CAN'T STAY THE WAY IT IS TODAY. IT MUST ADAPT TO THRIVE. IF IT DOESN'T GET REDESIGNED, WE'LL END UP WITH ANOTHER COLLIN CREEK MALL SITUATION ON OUR HANDS, A BLIGHT. FOR THESE REASONS I REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL FOR THIS ZONING REQUEST. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS CYNTHIA PATTON. >> HONORABLE MAYOR MUNS AND PLANO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM. MY NAME IS CYNTHIA PATTON. I'M HERE AS THE VICE CHAIRPERSON OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR NORTH TEXAS PERFORMING ARTS OF FRISCO. I'M HERE TODAY REPRESENTING NOT ONLY MYSELF BUT THE THOUSANDS OF VISITORS FROM OUTSIDE PLANO TO THE NORTH WHO REGULARLY VISIT PLANO FOR PERFORMANCES AND ACTIVITIES AT THE WILLOW BEND CENTER OF THE ARTS WITHIN THE SHOPS AT WILLOW BEND. THIS YEAR ALONE WE ARE PROUD TO PRODUCE ALMOST 40 PRODUCTIONS IN THESE PLANO THEATERS, DRAWING SOME 40,000 TICKETED PATRONS AND MANY THOUSANDS MORE VISITORS FROM FRISCO AND SURROUNDING AREAS TO PLANO. THESE VISITORS COME TO THE MALL TO ENJOY SHOWS ON PLANO STAGES, FREQUENT PLANO'S GROCERY STORES, GAS STATIONS AND RESTAURANTS, CONTRIBUTING TO THE LOCAL ECONOMY BY SPENDING THEIR TIME AND MONEY IN THE CITY. THE RIPPLE EFFECT OF THEIR PRESENCE IS A TESTAMENT TO THE INNER CONNECTEDNESS OF OUR COMMUNITIES AND THE IMPORTANCE OF CULTURAL HUBS LIKE THE WILLOW BEND CENTER OF THE ARTS. THE PROPOSED REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SHOPS AT WILLOW BEND PRESENTS AN EXCITING VISION THAT WILL EXPAND EVEN FURTHER THAN THE EXCITEMENT FOR THIS ALREADY IMPORTANT DESTINATION. FURTHER CEMENTING PLANO'S REPUTATION AS A CULTURAL AND COMMERCIAL HUB. I ALSO WANT TO EXPRESS MY THANKS TO CENTENNIAL AND THEIR PARTNERS FOR THEIR GENEROUS GIFT TO THE NORTH TEXAS PERFORMING ARTS AND YOUTH EDUCATION IN COLLIN CREEK. I RESPECTFULLY URGE THE CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE THIS REZONING REQUEST. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS DR. SARAH JOHNSON. >> HONORABLE MAYOR MUNS AND PLANO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM. I AM DR. SARAH JOHNSON AND LIKE CYNTHIA, I REPRESENT A CONSTITUENCY THAT COMES FROM OUTSIDE OF PLANO. BROUGHT BY THE WILLOW BEND CENTER OF THE ARTS BUT TRAVELING NORTH FROM DALLAS. I HAVE THE PLEASURE TO SERVE AS THE CHAIRPERSON OF THE BOARD AND PRESIDENT OF THE GOVERNING BOARD OF DIRECTORS. WE WILL PRODUCE OVER 30 PRODUCTIONS BRINGING SOME 30,000 PATRONS EACH YEAR AND THOUSANDS MORE FROM DALLAS AND OTHER CITIES FROM THE SOUTH TO PLANO. THERE IS NO OTHER FACILITY IN THE ENTIRE DFW REGION LIKE THE WILLOW BEND CENTER OF THE ARTS, COMBINING THE PERFORMING ARTS WITH THE RETAIL AND DINING EXPANSE OF THE SHOPS OF WILLOW BEND. A TRULY UNIQUE AND POWERFUL COMBINATION AND I KNOW MY DALLAS COUNTERPARTS REGULARLY FREQUENT THE MALL'S SHOPS AND RESTAURANTS AND VALUE THE CONVENIENCE AND VARIETY. BUT THIS SPACE NEEDS TO IMPROVE AND HAS TO BECOME MORE VIBRANT. THE ENTIRE DALLAS REGION IS WORKING AGGRESSIVELY TO TRY TO COMPETE FOR THOSE VERY SAME PATRONS, SHOPPERS, AND HOTEL STAYS THAT WILL BE ENTICED TO PLANO BY THE DEVELOPER'S EXCITING PLANS AND WITHOUT APPROVAL WILL GLADLY BE WELCOME WITH OPEN ARMS IN DALLAS AND BEYOND. I RESPECTFULLY URGLLE THIS CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE THIS REZONING REQUEST. I ALSO WANT TO EXPRESS MY THANKS TO CENTENNIAL AND AM PROUD TO SEE A DALLAS-BASED ORGANIZATION MAKE SUCH A GENEROUS GIFT TO THE NORTH TEXAS PERFORMING ARTS AND YOUTH EDUCATION IN OUR METROPLEX. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> JENNIFER DAVIS. >> HONORABLE MAYOR MUNS AND PLANO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM. MY NAME IS JENNIFER DAVIS AND I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF CALLING PLANO MY HOME FOR ALMOST MY ENTIRE LIFE. I RESIDE AT 6608 MYRTLE BEACH DRIVE 75093. I LIVE THERE WITH MY HUSBAND AND MY MOM. AS A PLANO CITIZEN, I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER MY SUPPORT FOR THIS REZONING REQUEST. I HAVE LIVED ACROSS THE MALL AND PRESTON WOOD BAPTIST CHURCH ALMOST MY ENTIRE LIFE. MY FRIENDS AND I WOULD WALK TO WILLOW BEND IN THE SUMMERS AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ITS SAFE, INVITING ENVIRONMENT BUT I ALWAYS REMEMBER IT BEING QUIET. I REPRESENT THE GENERATION -- THE NEXT GENERATION OF PLANO RESIDENTS THAT WANTS TO HAVE A RICH VARIETY OF LIVING, DINING ENTERTAINMENT AND VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE FUTURE ENVISIONED BY THE DEVELOPER'S PLANS. I BELIEVE WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO BUILD AND EXPAND THE HOUSING OPTIONS IN PLANO TO REMAIN COMPETITIVE, VIBRANT, AND ATTRACTIVE TO FUTURE GENERATIONS. AND ALTHOUGH THIS MALL HAS ALWAYS BEEN QUIET, THE VISION OF THIS DEVELOPER HAS THE POSSIBILITY TO BRING THIS AREA TO A NEW AND BETTER FUTURE. I'M ALSO PLEASED BY THIS DEVELOPER'S SHOW OF SUPPORT FOR THE PLANO COMMUNITY AND COMMITMENT TO THE ARTS THROUGH ITS GIFT TO THE NORTH TEXAS PERFORMING ARTS. I RESPECTFULLY URGE THE CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE THIS REZONING REQUEST. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. >> GEORGE STURGIS. >> THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TONIGHT. GEORGE STURGIS, I'M THE OWNER OF THE STEAKHOUSE AT WILLOW BEND. I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. MY PARTNER AND I OPENED IN OCTOBER OF 2018. OUR ORIGINAL LANDLORD HAD A SIMILAR PLAN FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. THAT WAS WHAT ORIGINALLY BROUGHT US TO THIS PROPERTY. STARWARD LOST THE PROPERTY, COVID HIT AND THE PROPERTY FELL INTO DEFAULT. WE CLOSED KNIFE FOR ABOUT NINE MONTHS. WE DECIDED TO STAY IN HOPES THE PROPERTY SELLING AND BEING DEVELOPED AS FORESEEN. LUCKILY CENTENNIAL BROUGHT THE PROPERTY, LOCALLY BASED. BORN AND RAISED IN DALLAS, LIKE MYSELF. AND THINGS ARE ON THE UP. WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS WORK. WITHOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT WE WON'T BE ABLE TO STAY. WE ALONE HAVE 35 EMPLOYEES AT KNIFE, AS DO THE OTHER THREE RESTAURANTS IN THE DISTRICT. IT'S BEEN TOUGH AND WITHOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT BEING DEVELOPED AS PROPOSED, THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN STAY AND NO WAY WE CAN CONTINUE. I'M JUST HERE TO SAY I'M IN SUPPORT AND WE NEED TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. THANK YOU. >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS BRIAN DUNN. >> GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS BRIAN DUNN. I'M THE OWNER OF MEXICAN BAR COMPANY, 6121 WEST PARK BOULEVARD AT THE PROPERTY. YOU KNOW, WHAT CENTENNIAL IS GOING TO DO, THEIR INVESTMENT AT A PROPERTY THAT SADLY HAS BEEN PRETTY DOOMED SINCE THE BEGINNING. OPENING UP THREE WEEKS BEFORE 9/11 AND NEVER RECOVERING. STARWOOD CAME IN, FAILED, GOT KICKED OFF THE PROPERTY. THEN COVID. THE NEXT GROUP CAME IN, SPINOSA FAILED AND ALL OF US ARE WAITING FOR SOMETHING TO HAPPEN PRAYING. WE HAVE ALL INVESTED A LOT OF MONEY IN VARIOUS RESTAURANTS FOR HOPES THIS WOULD TURN AROUND AND CENTENNIAL SWOOPS IN, GIVES US ALL HOPE. WHERE A LOT OF RESTAURANTS WOULD BE CLOSED, WE DECIDED TO STICK WITH IT, SO DID THE OTHER THREE RESTAURANTS OWNERS. BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IN WHAT THIS GROUP IS GOING TO DO. STEVEN LEVIN, BORN AND RAISED IN DALLAS. THERE WAS A QUESTION IN THE LAST MEETING WILL HE PERFORM WHAT HE'S PLANNING TO DO. I WOULD SAY OF COURSE HE'S GOING TO. THIS IS IN HIS BACKYARD. THEY'RE THE ONLY REDEVELOPMENT IN THE STATE OF TEXAS AS FAR AS I KNOW. YOU KNOW, WILLOW BEND WAS THE LAST TRADITIONAL INDOOR MALL BUILT IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. ONE TOO MANY. AND WHAT STEVEN AND CENTENNIAL IS GOING TO DO HAS PUT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO DRIVE REVENUE, DRIVE 900-PLUS HOUSEHOLDS, KEEPING THEM ON CAMPUS WITH ALL THE VARIOUS THINGS. I DON'T SEE THE IMPACT ON TRAFFIC, CONSIDERING THAT THERE'S A TON OF PARKING. THERE'S MULTIPLE PARKING DECKS. YOU KNOW, THE PLAN WAS, IF THIS WAS FULL LIKE AT NORTH PARK, THIS WAS THE TRAFFIC THAT IT COULD HANDLE. THAT'S GETTING CHOPPED IN HALF. PUTTING A SERVICE ROAD IN THE MIDDLE TO DIVIDE THE PROPERTY. IF ANYTHING IT'S GOING TO GET BETTER THAN WHAT WAS INITIALLY PLANNED. WE ALL FEEL STRONGLY THAT THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN FOR US TO SURVIVE. THIS IS THE ONLY THING AND IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. THE SOONER THE BETTER BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN HANGING ON BY A STRING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND WE STAND BY CENTENNIAL. >> THE LAST SPEAKER IS MELANIE GLICKER. >> HONORABLE MAYOR MUNS AND PLANO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM. MY NAME IS MELANIE GLICKER AND I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF CALLING PLANO MY HOME FOR OVER 16 YEARS. I RESIDE AT 5912 GENOA COURT. AS A PLANO CITIZEN, I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER MY SUPPORT FOR THIS REZONING REQUEST. MY HOME LIES LESS THAN A MILE EAST OF THE SHOPS OF WILLOW BEND ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE TOLLWAY. AS A HOMEOWNER I AM CONCERNED THAT ALLOWING THE SHOPS AT WILLOW BEND TO CONTINUE TO DECLINE WILL HAVE A NEGATIVE INFLUENCE ON HOMEOWNER VALUES. ALTERNATIVELY THE IMPACT OF THE REVITALIZATION AND THE INVESTMENT BEING MADE BY THE DEVELOPER COUPLED WITH THE EXPANSIVE SHOPPING, DINING, AND ENTERTAINMENT OPTIONS WILL HAVE A TREMENDOUS POSITIVE RESULT ON THE ATTRACTIVENESS AND CONVENIENCE OF THIS AREA. I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACTS ON TRAFFIC PATTERNS AND BELIEVE THE NUMBER OF HOMES PLANNED IS VERY MANAGEABLE. WHEN THE MALL WAS BUILT OVER 20 YEARS AGO I HAVE NO DOUBT THE ANTICIPATED TRAFFIC OF A FULL 1.5 MILLION FEET OF RETAILERS WAS SUBSTANTIALLY HIGHER THAN WHAT THIS NEW TRANSFORMATION REPRESENTS. I RESPECTFULLY URGE THE CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE THIS REZONING REQUEST. I ALSO WANT TO EXPRESS MY THANKS TO CENTENNIAL FOR ITS SUPPORT FOR THE PERFORMING ARTS AND FOR THEIR EFFORTS TO REVITALIZE THIS REGIONAL ASSET. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. ANY MORE? I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONFINE THE COMMENTS TO THE COUNCIL. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO, IF WE JUST GO AROUND THE DAIS. I ALWAYS START WITH YOU, ANTHONY, SO I'M GOING TO START WITH COUNCILMEMBER SMITH. >> Ricciardelli: [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Muns: NO, IT'S ALWAYS THE EASIEST ROAD. SO, ANYWAY, I'LL LET -- WE'LL JUST GO AROUND THE DAIS AND -- >> Smith: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I DON'T KNOW, MICHAEL OR STEVEN WOULD LIKE TO COME UP. I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU, IF I MIGHT. THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE ORGANIZATION FOR SEEING THE POTENTIAL IN THIS PROJECT. I THINK SOME OF THE TENANTS MENTIONED THERE'S BEEN SOME HOPES RECENTLY THAT DIDN'T REALLY PAN OUT. FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, I LIKE THE CONCEPT, WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO DO WITH THIS PROJECT. AND I KNOW YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE I BELIEVE DOING THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS IN OTHER AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL. THE ONLY THING THAT'S BEEN KIND OF HARD FOR ME THAT I SEE THAT I'D LIKE TO FIND A SOLUTION TO AT SOME POINT IS TO INCREASE THE DIVERSIFICATION OF THE MIX OF THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT OF IT. AND I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU GOT AN OPTION FOR IS ONE OF THE MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS THAT YOU'VE INDICATED THAT THAT MIGHT END UP BEING A TENTATIVE FACILITY FOR SENIORS THAT HAVE INDEPENDENT MEANS, THEY WANT TO COME AND GO. SO HAVING AN INDEPENDENT LIVING CONCEPT WOULD BE DESIRABLE. THE MIX, THOUGH, IS STILL NOT QUITE THERE AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS, WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE AT SOME POINT -- AND I THINK THERE MAY BE A WAY TO DO THAT, SHOULD THE COUNCIL PASS THIS FOR YOU TONIGHT -- WOULD BE TO ADD A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT TO THE HOTEL PROJECT. TO HAVE -- I THINK IT WOULD REALLY BE A STATEMENT PIECE FOR THAT PROJECT TO HAVE A HIGH-END BOUTIQUE HOTEL IN THE TOP OF THE 20-STORY BUILDING THERE TO HAVE SOME RESIDENTIAL CONDOMINIUMS THAT I CALL LOCK AND LEAVE. WE REALLY DON'T HAVE THAT. WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A VERTICAL MIXED-USE PROJECT WITHIN THIS CITY. WE HAVE SOME HIGH-RISE APARTMENT COMPLEXES, SOME HIGH-RISE CONDOMINIUMS BUT WE DON'T HAVE THIS KIND OF MIX AND THERE'S REALLY NOTHING LIKE THAT IN THIS PART OF THE CITY OF PLANO. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE EXCITING. I UNDERSTAND FROM CHRISTINA'S PRESENTATION THAT YOU HAD ORIGINALLY CONSIDERED DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT BUT UNDER THE TIME CONSTRAINTS, BECAUSE THIS DOES REST IN THE EHA AREA, THAT THE PROJECT, THE TIME-FRAME JUST DIDN'T FIT WITH THE NEEDS OF THE PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD IN A TIMELY FASHION. AND AS A BUSINESS PERSON, I UNDERSTAND THAT. YOU NEED TO MAKE THIS WORK. WE DON'T WANT THIS TO BE THE THIRD TRY AND THE THIRD FAILURE. WE WANT THIS TO SUCCEED. SO WHAT I WOULD ASK -- I GUESS LET ME ASK OUR CITY MANAGER FIRST. I WOULD ASSUME, AGAIN, SHOULD THIS PASS, THAT WE COULD GET WITH THE DEVELOPER, THE OWNER IF THEY AGREE AND AS PART OF OUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WORK ON ADDING ADDITIONAL ZONING DURING THE PROCESS WHILE THE PROJECT MOVES FORWARD TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO PURSUE AN OWNER THAT WOULD WANT TO HAVE A PROJECT LIKE THIS WITH A BOUTIQUE HOTEL AND HIGH-RISE CONDOMINIUM. WOULD THAT BE FEASIBLE, IN YOUR OPINION? >> Israelson: COUNCILMEMBER, FIRST OF ALL, THEY HAVEN'T ASKED FOR CITY PARTICIPATION QUITE YET. I UNDERSTAND THAT ASK MAY BE COMING. BUT ANY REQUESTS LIKE THAT WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PROCESS AND SO THE CITY IS ABLE TO ADD CONDITIONS AS PART OF THAT PROCESS. PROVIDED THAT THAT'S GOING TO MEET WITH THE DEVELOPER'S OVERALL GOALS FOR THE PROJECT AND THE ABILITY FOR THEM TO ACTUALLY DELIVER THAT. SO IT IS POSSIBLE DURING THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PROCESS BUT I THINK FROM MR. LEVIN'S PERSPECTIVE, I THINK THE ADAPTABILITY OF THE PROJECT TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS PROBABLY SOMETHING I WOULD SUGGEST Y'ALL SHOULD RESPOND TO AT THIS POINT. >> WE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE VERY OPEN TO THAT. HAVING A HOTEL, CONDO-HOTEL PROJECT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. WE ARE TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF DOING THAT. AND I'M NOT THE TECHNICAL GUY WITH THIS PROCESS. BUT, YOU KNOW, SO THE ANSWER IS YES. WE WOULD VERY MUCH, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE PROJECTS ARE MARKET BASED. WE CAN CREATE THIS BUT WE'VE GOT TO GO OUT AND THE MARKET HAS TO SUPPORT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. AND IF THE MARKET SUPPORTS THAT, WE'RE NOT A HOTEL DEVELOPER OR CO CONDOMINIUM DEVELOPER BUT WE ARE GOING TO WORK TO PARTNER WITH A HOTEL AND CONDOMINIUM DEVELOPER IN ORDER TO CREATE THAT PROJECT. THAT WOULD BE TERRIFIC IF WE COULD DO THAT. >> Smith: I ALSO UNDERSTAND FROM TALKING WITH YOUR THREE PRIMARY TENANTS THERE, ANCHOR, MACY'S, AND DILLARD'S WOULD BE INVOLVED IN WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO. I WOULD THINK THAT HAVING THIS TYPE OF LOCK AND LEAVE AND, YOU KNOW, NICE CONDOMINIUM OWNERSHIP PROJECT THERE WOULD BE OF BENEFIT TO THEM FROM THE RETAIL STANDPOINT ALSO. >> YEAH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE ONE OF FOUR OWNERS. WE OWN EVERYTHING BUT DILLARD'S OWNS THEIR SITE, NEIMAN'S OWNS THEIRS AND MACY'S OWNS THERE AND WE CAN'T PUT A SHOVEL IN THE GROUND WITHOUT THEIR APPROVAL OF WHAT WE'RE DOING ON THE PROJECT. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE CHALLENGE YOU GO THROUGH WITH THESE PROJECTS IS THAT THERE'S FOUR OWNERS AND EVERYBODY HAS TO AGREE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE BEEN TALKING TO THEM THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE SUBMITTING IS SOMETHING THAT WE BELIEVE THEY APPROVE AND THEY LIKE, WHICH THEY DO BECAUSE THEY'RE RETAILERS AND THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. BUT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. BUT ABSOLUTELY. WHAT YOU'VE DESCRIBED IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE VERY MUCH OPEN TO AND IN FAVOR OF. IT'S JUST WE'VE GOT TO -- UNTIL WE GET OUR ZONING, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING. SO WE ARE JUST -- WE ARE SITTING HERE UNABLE TO DO ANYTHING TO THE PROPERTY AND WE CAN'T TALK TO ANYBODY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE ZONING TO EVEN ENGAGE THE CONVERSATIONS. ONCE WE HOPEFULLY GET APPROVED AND WE CAN HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS, THAT'S THE GOOD AND THE BAD OF THE PROCESS IS WE'RE VERY OPEN TO, TO, YOU KNOW, TO VARIATIONS OF WHAT IS LAID OUT IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THE WHOLE PROJECT. AND CERTAINLY CONDOS IS A PORTION OF THIS WOULD BE GREAT. AND HOTEL-CONDO I THINK IS TERRIFIC. THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY GO AND TRY TO SECURE, ONCE WE ARE ABLE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH A HOTEL DEVELOPER WHO -- AND THERE ARE A LOT THAT REALLY LIKE THAT COMBO CONCEPT. AND SO IF I'VE ANSWERED THE QUESTION, WE ABSOLUTELY ARE IN FAVOR OF THAT AND HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, ENGAGE WITH THE CITY TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, WHATEVER THAT PROCESS IS TO BE ABLE TO. BUT WE NEED TO TEAM UP WITH SOMEONE WHO WILL DEVELOP THAT PARCEL IN CONJUNCTION WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING. >> Smith: GREAT. BECAUSE THAT ALSO FITS IN TO OUR RGM ACTION POINT 8. ONE OF THE DIVERSIFICATION TYPES OF HOUSING. ONE OF THOSE WOULD BE FEASIBLE FOR BUILDING TEN STORIES AND HIGHER. AGAIN, WHICH WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A MIXED-USE PROJECT LIKE THAT NOW SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE A PLUS FOR EVERYBODY THAT WORKED HARD TO DEVELOP OUR NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE WORK FROM NOW. ANYWAY, AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO HEAR YOUR POINT OF THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO GET APPROVAL. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE REST OF COUNCIL. I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO GO BUT IF YOU DO GET APPROVAL AND OUR CITY MANAGER JUST SAID HE'S OPEN, THINKS THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY THERE. I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO GET YOUR COMMITMENT THAT YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO PURSUE THOSE DISCUSSIONS. >> IF HE'S AVAILABLE TOMORROW, I'LL BE THERE TOMORROW. >> Smith: MARK, WHAT'S YOUR SCHEDULE? THANK YOU. I'M NOT GOING TO BELABOR THE POINT. I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT STATEMENT PIECE, BOTH FOR YOUR PORTFOLIO AS WELL AS FOR THIS CITY. IT'S SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE AND I THINK IT WOULD JUST PULL THAT WHOLE PROJECT TOGETHER. >> I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY. IT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD LOVE. I WANT TO ADD ONE POINT OF DETAIL. I'M NOT THE TECHNICAL GUY EITHER BUT I'M A SLIGHTLY MORE TECHNICAL GUY. WE WOULD HAVE TO AMEND THE ZONING TO ALLOW RESIDENTIAL USE WITHIN THE EHA ZONE. >> Smith: RIGHT. I BELIEVE THAT COULD BE DISCUSSED AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ALSO. >> Mayor Muns: CHRISTINA. >> I THOUGHT WHAT I UNDERSTOOD YOU SAYING IS A FUTURE ZONING CASE TO ADD THE USE. AND THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE -- >> Smith: SUPPLEMENT. >> IT WOULD BE A SEPARATE ZONING CASE. >> WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND GET THAT ZONING CHANGED. >> WE'RE HAPPY TO COME BACK. >> AM I UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY? >> Smith: YOU LISTEN. I APPRECIATE THAT. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMEMBER HOLMER. >> Holmer: FIRST, SINCE WE'RE ON THE TOPIC OF OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES AND HAVING SOME DIFFERENT HOUSING OPTIONS, I ALSO WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF LOOKING AT THAT. CAN WE ADD TO OUR FUTURE WORKSHOPS, ALONG WITH OUR STREAMBANKING AND OUR RETAIL REVITALIZATION EFFORTS, HOW WE CAN INCENTIVIZE RENT TO OWN OR OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES FOR DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THIS. IT MAY MEAN IF YOU DO NEED SOME ASSISTANCE FROM COUNCIL, FROM THE CITY, AS ONE OF OUR SPEAKERS STATED, MAKING SURE WE'RE PUTTING SOME INCENTIVES IN PLACE LIKE WERE MENTIONED BUT ALSO MAYBE WE'RE INCENTIVIZING INDIVIDUALLY-PLATTED PROPERTIES THAT WOULD EASILY ALLOW FOR A CONVERSION TO OWNERSHIP AS WELL AS A MANDATORY HOA THAT COULD CONTROL MAYBE NO SHORT-TERM RENTALS SO THAT DOESN'T BECOME A PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE. >> RIGHT. >> Holmer: SO I APPRECIATE THAT THOUGHT AND I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT NEEDING TO GET THE ZONING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD. AND CONSIDER THAT. >> WE'RE VERY OPEN TO THAT. >> Holmer: I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND YOU'RE HEARING FROM ME AS A COUNCILMEMBER THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I ALSO THINK THERE'S SOME VALUE TO AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO OUR RESIDENTS TO HAVE MORE OWNERSHIP OPTIONS. SO I JUST WANT TO ECHO WHAT WAS ALREADY SAID THERE. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> Holmer: I THINK THOSE ARE THE ONLY THINGS I WANTED TO MENTION TO YOU. I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR CHRISTINA. LET ME KIND OF EXPLAIN WHERE I'M COMING FROM WITH THIS QUESTION. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, PART OF OUR VOTE WILL BE RESCINDING THE PRIVATE CLUB MEMBERSHIPS THAT EXIST AND CREATING A ZONING MUCH LIKE DOWNTOWN PLANO AND SHOPS AT LEGACY THAT BY RIGHT WILL ALLOW PRIVATE CLUBS. IT WOULD NEVER HAVE OCCURRED TO ME THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO CONTROL THE SIZE OF A PRIVATE CLUB IN PLANO UNTIL A RECENT DECISION WAS BROUGHT UP. AND I JUST DON'T THINK PLANO IS THE PLACE FOR A REALLY LARGE PRIVATE CLUB. AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER WHAT SIZE A PRIVATE CLUB CAN BE IN OUR CITY. >> YES, YOU DO. AND WE LOOKED AT THE CURRENT PRIVATE CLUBS THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY TODAY. THE LARGEST ONE IS JUST SHY OF 1200 SQUARE FEET -- SORRY. 12,000 SQUARE FEET. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S HELPFUL TO YOU BUT IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PRECEDENT THAT'S SET, THAT'S THE STANDARD THAT'S EXISTING ON THE PROPERTY. >> I MEAN, I THINK SUPPLY AND DEMAND WOULD PROBABLY KEEP A VERY LARGE PRIVATE CLUB FROM AT LEAST BEING SUCCESSFUL. TO BE HONEST, I THINK SOMEONE'S TRIED TO DO IT AT SHOPS AT LEGACY. I DON'T RECALL BUT SOMEONE BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT THERE WAS A CLUB ATMOSPHERE TYPE OF LARGE CLUB THERE AT ONE POINT IN TIME THAT DIDN'T LAST VERY LONG. I FEEL THAT PLANO AND ESPECIALLY THAT LOCATION AND OTHER LOCATION -- REALLY ANYWHERE IN PLANO. IT'S NOT THE PLACE FOR A LARGE PRIVATE CLUB. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE FOCUSED MORE ON DINING, RESTAURANTKIND OF COMBINATION. >> WE'RE VERY FOCUSED ON -- >> Holmer: I THINK YOU ARE. >> A PRIVATE CLUB WAS NOT SOMETHING I WAS CONSCIOUS OF UNTIL IT CAME UP. >> Holmer: IT WASN'T ON MY RADAR UNTIL IT BECAME -- >> WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IS A COMMUNITY-BASED PROJECT THAT IS THE TYPE OF FOOD AND BEVERAGE EXPERIENCES. >> Holmer: YEAH. AND I DON'T DOUBT THAT AT ALL. I JUST AM SAYING -- >> AGAIN, I WASN'T AWARE OF THAT BUT I CAN'T, AT THE MOMENT THINK -- >> Holmer: WELL, THIS IS MORE OF A QUESTION TO OUR STAFF VERSUS -- I'M NOT CONCERNED WITH WHAT YOUR INTENTIONS ARE. I JUST -- IT WASN'T UNTIL WE RECENTLY HAD A ZONING CASE COME UP THAT IT NEVER OCCURRED TO ME THERE COULD BE A 30,000 SQUARE FOOT BAR THAT'S 21 AND OVER. I DON'T THINK PLANO'S THE PLACE FOR THAT. IF WE HAVE ANY WAY OF AVOIDING THAT FROM HAPPENING FOR FUTURE CLUBS IN A BY RIGHT AREA, IT'S SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER. I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF IT'S EVEN AN OPTION, ARE WE ALLOWED TO DO THAT. >> ABSOLUTELY. THERE IS ALREADY A STANDARD ASSOCIATED WITH THAT IN THE ORDINANCE. AND IF YOU WANTED TO ADD A SIZE LIMITATION, YOU ABSOLUTELY COULD DO THAT. >> Holmer: LET ME THINK ON THAT AND I'LL LET EVERYONE ELSE WEIGH IN. >> Mayor Muns: THAT WOULD BE FOR ANOTHER TIME TO DISCUSS. >> BUT YOU'RE WANTING TO PUT IT IN THIS ORDINANCE SO THAT THEY CAN'T HAVE ONE? >> Holmer: I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HAVING PRIVATE CLUBS. I JUST -- IF WE CAN CONTROL THE SIZE OF A PRIVATE CLUB. NOW A RESTAURANT CAN BE ANY SIZE. IT'S THE PRIVATE CLUB DISTINCTION. >> I THINK THEN WE WOULD NEED A RECOMMENDATION FROM CHRISTINA VERSUS -- I MEAN, I WOULDN'T WANT TO JUST THROW OUT AN ARBITRARY NUMBER OF SOMETHING THAT WE THINK IS RIGHT IF WE'RE GOING TO LIMIT IT FOR THIS PROPERTY. >> Holmer: I'M FINE WITH THAT. WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT SIZE OUR PRIVATE CLUBS ALREADY ARE IN PLANO THAT EXIST. I CAN TELL YOU THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT MORE THAN 5,000 SQUARE FEET IS MY GUESS. >> THE LARGEST ONE THAT EXISTS IN WILLOW BEND MALL TODAY IS 12,300 AND CHANGE. >> CHRISTINA, I APOLOGIZE. CAN I ASK YOU WHAT THAT IS. WHAT IS THE PRIVATE CLUB FOR 12,000 SQUARE FEET? >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RESTAURANT IS. I THINK IT MAY HAVE BEEN IN THE FOOD COURT AREA. >> THAT'S NOT THERE. >> I DON'T THINK IT'S AN ACTIVE PRIVATE CLUB. [LAUGHTER] >> IT'S NOT THERE. >> Holmer: DO YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT'S PROBABLY THE SHARK CLUB. I BET THAT'S WHAT IT IS. BUT BACK TO MY POINT, I DON'T THINK THAT WE ARE THE PLACE FOR THAT AND IT WON'T -- THE SUPPLY AND DEMAND WILL MAKE IT NOT BE SUCCESSFUL ANYWAY BUT I WOULD RATHER US NOT EVEN GO THERE. SO LET'S PUT A LIMIT AND SAY REALISTICALLY WE DON'T NEED A PRIVATE CLUB, WHICH THE DIFFERENCE BEING THAT THE EMPHASIS IS ON BEING ABLE TO SERVE MORE ALCOHOL THAN FOOD. AND, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A LARGE RESTAURANT THAT SERVES ALCOHOL, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT BUT I DON'T THINK PLANO'S THE PLACE FOR A 21 AND OVER LARGE CLUB ATMOSPHERE. >> PUT A SQUARE FOOTAGE LIMIT ON IT. >> I THINK THAT -- TO ME I WAS JUST SUGGESTING THE EXISTING LIMIT THAT'S THERE. BUT I'M OPEN TO WHATEVER YOU ALL THINK, THAT 12,500 FEET IS -- THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO DO SOMETHING LIKE A BREW PUB OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> WHAT IF IT'S -- THERE ARE SOME ENTERTAINMENT CONCEPTS. HOW ABOUT 8,000? >> Mayor Muns: I MEAN, IT'S ARBITRARY. WE'RE CERTAINLY -- >> [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Muns: SHOOTING AT THE STARS HERE. >> MY CONCERN IS REALLY IF YOU HAVE AN ENTERTAINMENT CONCEPT THAT IT'S GOT A RESTAURANT WITH ENTERTAINMENT. >> YEAH, WHAT DOES, FOR EXAMPLE, A DAVE & BUSTER'S? WE HAVE DAVE & BUSTER'S ALL OVER AND THEY'RE FABULOUS TENANTS. DO THEY FIT INTO THAT CATEGORY? >> AND MY QUESTION IS ARE THEY GOING TO NEED A FOOD TO BEVERAGE RATIO LIKE OUR PRIVATE CLUB? ARE THEY GOING TO MAKE ENOUGH MONEY ON OTHER THINGS TO NEED THAT. THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T PUT A THEATER, THINKING THROUGH THIS AT THE DAIS IS DIFFICULT. >> THEATERS DO OBVIOUSLY SELL BEER AND WINE TODAY. MANY OF THEM DO. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO -- I MEAN, A THEATER IS SOMETHING WE WOULD LOVE TO BRING TO WILLOW BEND. >> DOES IT HAVE TO BE BY RIGHT, IF THIS IS A CHALLENGE? CAN IT NOT BE -- THIS PART BE BY SUP? >> WE COULD ALLOW BY SUP GREATER THAN A CERTAIN SIZE -- [MULTIPLE VOICES] >> BUT I DO WANT A THEATER. WE DO WANT SOME ENTERTAINMENT AND A THEATER. BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. >> [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Muns: SORRY. SHELBY, I'M SORRY. >> Williams: I'VE SPENT THE BETTER PART OF 20 YEARS INVOLVED IN RETAIL IN OMNI CHANNEL SALES MARKETING AND OPERATION. I REALLY WANT TO SEE THIS PROPERTY SUCCESSFUL AND VIBRANT AND THE BIGGEST REASON FOR THAT IS NOT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF THE MALL ITSELF BUT THE ENTIRE AREA. WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED WHEN COLLIN CREEK DECLINED. IT BROUGHT DOWN THE ENTIRE AREA WITH IT AND BY EXTENSION, THE WHOLE 75 CORRIDOR. THE DISTANCE BETWEEN WILLOW BEND AND STONE BRIAR IS ROUGHLY THE SAME AS BETWEEN COLLIN CREEK AND WATER'S CREEK. AND HAVING THOSE BOOKENDS ALONG THE DALLAS PARKWAY WILL, I THINK, HELP RESTORE NOT JUST THE VIBRANCY OF THAT COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR BUT ALSO THE CORPORATE PRESENCE, WHICH HAS BEEN WANING IN RECENT YEARS BECAUSE A LOT OF OUR OFFICE SPACE WAS BUILT A WHILE BACK AND, I MEAN, LOOK NO FURTHER THAN THAT EDS IS BEING REDEVELOPED. AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE PROACTIVE IN ADDRESSING THAT AREA-WIDE VIBRANCY. I DO HAVE CONSIDERABLE CONCERN, AS I'VE SHARED, ABOUT THE MULTIFAMILY. AFTER PROJECTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED SUCH AS THE AFOREMENTIONED EDS, COLLIN CREEK, HAGGARD FARMS AMONGST OTHERS ARE COMPLETE, WE'RE GOING TO BE ABOUT 50% RENTAL IN THE CITY FOR ALL OF OUR HOUSING STOCK. THAT'S AN ENORMOUS PERCENTAGE. THIS PROPERTY ALONE, WITH THE PROPOSED MULTIFAMILY, IS GOING TO INCREASE OUR MULTIFAMILY BY OVER 2.5%. JUST IN THE SINGLE DEVELOPMENT. INDEPENDENT LIVING USE IS SOMETHING I COULD GET BEHIND BECAUSE IT PROVIDES WHAT I THINK IS AN UNDERSERVED NEED IN THE AREA. OWNERSHIP OPTIONS, CONDOS ARE SOMETHING I COULD GET BEHIND BECAUSE THAT DIVERSIFIES OUR OWNERSHIP MIX. I DO, HOWEVER, HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT INCREASING OUR RATIO OF MULTIFAMILY AND -- BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE TOO MUCH AS IT IS. I ALSO, FOR THE RECORD, THINK WE HAVE TOO MANY LARGE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED HOMES. WE HAVE NEGLECTED, OVER TIME, TO DIVERSIFY THAT HOUSING MIX WITH THE SMALLER FOOTPRINT OWNERSHIP OPTIONS. I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, IF I MAY. THE FIRST IS ABOUT THE WASTEWATER NOTATION THAT IT WOULD REQUIRE CONSIDERABLE ADDITIONAL WASTEWATER PROCESSING CAPABILITY. DO WE HAVE PLANS ALREADY TO PROVIDE FOR THAT WITH OR WITHOUT THIS REDEVELOPMENT, RECOGNIZING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE REDEVELOPING ALONG THAT ENTIRE CORRIDOR OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS ANYWAY. >> I BELIEVE THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IS ACTIVELY WORKING ON THAT. IF YOU WANT A MORE DETAILED RESPONSE, I WOULD DEFER TO PERHAPS CALEB. >> THEY'RE LOOKING AT EACH OTHER. >> AS CALEB'S MAKING HIS WAY DOWN, I WOULD REITERATE THAT WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE WATER DISTRICT. THE WATER DISTRICT IS IN THE PROCESS OF ACTUALLY BUILDING ADDITIONAL CAPACITY FOR PROCESSING RIGHT NOW. AND IT WILL BE ONLINE WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR. SO PROCESSING ISN'T THE CHALLENGE. IT'S THE CONVEYANCE SYSTEM, REALLY TO GET IT FROM PLANO TO THE TREATMENT PLANT IS THE ISSUE. AND IT WILL REQUIRE SOME UP SIZING OF SOME LIFT STATIONS IN THAT AREA. AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT ANALYSIS RIGHT NOW OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE TO BE ABLE TO CONVEY WASTEWATER TO THE DISTRICT. CALEB, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD? >> NO. YOU HIT IT RIGHT ON THE HEAD. WE'VE GOT A CONSULTANT THAT'S HELPING US DO THE ANALYSIS BASED ON THE CURRENT VISION OR PLANS THAT WE'VE EVALUATED AND ARE SEEING. WE ARE HAVING NUMEROUS CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DISTRICT, AS A PORTION OF THIS SITE GOES TO THE SOUTH AND A PORTION OF IT GOES TO THE NORTH. AND THAT'S TWO SEPARATE LIFT STATIONS. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS OF HOW THAT WILL WORK. >> Williams: OKAY. THANK YOU. ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS REGARDING THE CITIZEN'S QUESTION ABOUT THE OVERSIGHT OF PUBLIC FUNDS. WE'RE NOT CONSIDERING THAT TONIGHT BUT A FUTURE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTICIPATION AGREEMENT. CAN YOU SPEAK BRIEFLY TO THE TYPES OF OVERSIGHT THAT WE EXERCISE ALREADY FOR AGREEMENTS FOR REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, JUST AT A HIGH LEVEL? I'M GOING TO GIVE Y'ALL A WORKOUT. >> THAT'S FINE. IT IS NOT UNDER CONSIDERATION TONIGHT. IT WOULD BE SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE. I BELIEVE WE HAVE LOTS OF CONTROLS. CERTAINLY THE PID OVERSIGHT IN COLLIN CREEK, FOR INSTANCE, THERE'S DIFFERENT LEVELS OF THAT. FOR THE PARKING GARAGE AND ITS SEPARATE FUNDING OUTSIDE THE PID WE HAD A SEPARATE CONSULTANT MONITORING THE CONSTRUCTION TO SAY THEY WERE SPENDING THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF FUNDS. I'M VERY CONFIDENT THAT WE HAVE LOTS OF CONTROLS ON ALL OF OUR INCENTIVES. NOT ONLY FOR THESE KIND OF PROJECTS BUT FOR ALL OF OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. WE HAVE LOTS OF CONTROLS AND REPORTING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. >> Williams: THANK YOU, PETER. I'M CONFIDENT THAT THIS NEXT ONE IS FOR CHRISTINA. SHE'S ALREADY HERE. SO WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF DISCUSSIONS SO FAR ABOUT POTENTIAL ADDITIONAL ZONING MODIFICATIONS. WHAT DOES THE PROCESS LOOK LIKE IF WE WERE TO REMAND THIS BACK TONIGHT FOR THINKING THROUGH THOSE PROVISIONS MORE CAREFULLY. I ASSUME IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH P&Z FIRST FOR ANOTHER VOTE AND THEN TO COUNCIL. WHAT DOES THAT PROCESS LOOK LIKE AND HOW LONG, REALISTICALLY, MIGHT IT TAKE? >> I THINK IT DEPENDS ON THE SCOPE BUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IS THAT IT GETS PLACED BACK ON A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AGENDA FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION. THERE'S ANOTHER STAFF REPORT. THEY CONSIDER IT FURTHER. AND THEN THEIR RECOMMENDATION COMES BACK TO CITY COUNCIL. SO IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS ON HOW LONG IT TAKES US TO -- WHAT THE SCOPE OF THAT REWORK LOOKS LIKE. SO IF THE ASK IS LARGE, IT MAY TAKE TIME FOR STAFF AND THE APPLICANT TO WORK THINGS OUT. IF IT'S SMALL, IT MAY BE THAT WE COULD PUT IT FAIRLY QUICKLY ON A P&Z AGENDA. >> CHRISTINA, HOW LONG DOES AN EHA STUDY TAKE? >> EHA STUDY WOULD TAKE A FAIRLY LONG TIME BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE TO ENGAGE A CONSULTANT AND THEN THEY HAVE TO PREPARE THE STUDY AND THEN WE HAVE TO ANALYZE THE STUDY. SO THAT'S TYPICALLY IN THE FOUR TO SIX-MONTH TIME-FRAME. >> Williams: OKAY. THANK YOU. NO MORE QUESTIONS. >> Tu: SO I AM DEFINITELY IN GOING.OF HURRY UP AND GET THIS- BECAUSE TIME IS OF ESSENCE WHENEVER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REAL ESTATE. FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THIS IS NOT A NEW DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS A REVITALIZATION. AND WILLOW BEND REALLY DOES NEED REVITALIZATION, AS WE HEARD FROM MANY OF THE SPEAKERS. PEOPLE ARE HUNGRY. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DYING TO HAVE THIS REVITALIZE THEIR BUSINESS AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO. BE AWARE AND CONCERNED ABOUT OUR PLANO RESIDENTS AND OUR PLANO BUSINESSES. ANOTHER THING THAT I THOUGHT WAS REALLY INTERESTING WAS A YOUNGER GENERATION TELLING PLANO -- AND THEY ARE THE FUTURE OF PLANO AND THEY ARE GOING TO BE THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO BE LIVING HERE -- SAYING THAT THE NEW GENERATION NEEDS PROGRESS AND THEY NEED DINING ENTERTAINMENT AND SHOPPING THE WAY THAT IT IS BEING RECOMMENDED AND DESIGNED. AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO HEED THE NEWER, YOUNGER GENERATION BECAUSE WE AIN'T GOING TO BE HERE FOR VERY LONG. [LAUGHTER] ANOTHER THING IS ALSO PLANNING AND ZONING HAS ALREADY FULLY APPROVED THIS, 8-0. I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. FINALLY, NORTH TEXAS PERFORMING ARTS PUT UP WITH SHELBY WILLIAMS IN THEIR PERFORMANCE. [LAUGHTER] SO IF THEY'RE HERE SAYING THAT THEY WANT TO CONTINUE WITH WILLOW BEND, THEN WHO AM I TO SAY DIFFERENT? THAT'S ALL I HAVE. [APPLAUSE] >> Prince: I'LL JUST SAY THAT I THINK FOR ME, PERSONALLY, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN PLANNING AND ZONING AND NOW COUNCIL FOR A LONG TIME. SO I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE A PART OF COLLIN CREEK MALL AND THEN PLANO MARKET SQUARE AND LEGACY WEST AND NOW THIS. THAT GETS THE WHOLE FOUR CORNERS OF OUR CITY COVERED WITH REVITALIZATION. I THINK THIS IS VERY EXCITING, VERY NEEDED. I THINK THE PLAN LOOKS BEAUTIFUL. I HOPE THAT THE PLAN WILL ACTUALLY TURN OUT THAT BEAUTIFUL. SOMETIMES WE HAVE DEVELOPERS COME FORWARD AND THEY PUT A LOT OF PRETTY PICTURES BEFORE US AND IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY LOOK THAT NICE, SO I HOPE THAT IT ACTUALLY WILL END UP LOOKING AS NICE AS THE PICTURES YOU TOLD US. BUT I AM IN SUPPORT OF VOTING IN FAVOR OF THIS TONIGHT AND MOVING IT FORWARD. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR OUR CITY THAT WE DO THIS AND FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR CITY THAT WE CONTINUE TO REVITALIZE AND SHOW EVERYONE IN PLANO THAT WE'RE INVESTING IN THE FUTURE OF OUR CITY AND THAT IT'S GOING TO BE STRONG AND VIBRANT GOING FORWARD. >> Horne: WELL, I SPENT SOME TIME ON P&Z AND ALSO THIS FIRST YEAR ON COUNCIL AND I'VE SEEN A COUPLE OF THESE OPPORTUNITIES COME FORWARD. LET ME TELL YOU, I LIKE WILLOW BEND THE WAY IT IS. I CAN RUN THROUGH THAT PLACE AND NOT RUN INTO ANYBODY. [LAUGHTER] MY WIFE CAN WALK BEHIND ME AND SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO WORRY. IT'S SAFE. IT'S DRY. IT'S WARM. BECAUSE, AS ONE OF OUR SPEAKERS SAID, THERE'S NOT MANY PEOPLE THERE. UNFORTUNATELY, THE WAY IT GOES NOW, WITHOUT THIS REDEVELOPMENT, IT WILL GO THE WAY OF VALLEY VIEW MALL. IT WILL DIE. THERE'S JUST NO IFS, AND, AND BUTS ABOUT IT. VALLEY VIEW USED TO BE IT. IT WAS THE MALL IN NORTH TEXAS AND IT DIED. AND, REALLY, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE MALLS AS THEY ARE NOW, STONEBRIAR IS OUTSIDE OF NORTH PARK IS THE ONLY TYPE MALL OUT THERE. WE'RE NOT SEEING THESE TYPE OF MALLS BEING CONSTRUCTED NOW. WE'RE SEEING A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE LIVE, WORK, AND PLAY. A TRUE ACTIVITY CENTER. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS GOING TO BE ZONED TO, A SUBURBAN ACTIVITY CENTER. PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO LIVE THERE. THEY'LL BE ABLE TO WORK THERE. BE ABLE TO SHOP FIVE DAYS A WEEK, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, DINE OUTSIDE AL FRESCO. IT'S GOING TO BE PERFECT. SO THE WAY YOU HAVE THAT GOING FORWARD, I APPLAUD YOU. IT'S GOING TO -- IT WILL COMPETE WITH LEGACY WEST AND THE SHOPS AT LEGACY. IT'S ALSO COMPETING WITH THE STAR UP AT FRISCO. AND IT'S ALSO GOING TO COMPETE WITH WATER'S CREEK. AND WE NEED TO HAVE THOSE TAX DOLLARS, OUR FRIENDS GOING UP TO THE STAR AND WATER'S CREEK, I WANT THEM TO LIVE HERE AND SPEND HERE IN PLANO. SO WITH THE WAY THE DEVELOPMENT'S GOING FORWARD AND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE, I HAVE TO SAY I APPLAUD YOU FOR YOUR VISION AND I APPLAUD NORTH TEXAS PERFORMING ARTS FOR BEING PATIENT. AND YOU GUYS WORKING TOGETHER. BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO LOVE THAT THEATER AND LOVE WHAT THEY'RE DOING. AND I JUST AM LOOKING FORWARD TO WHAT'S GOING FORWARD. I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE CONDO CONCEPT ON THE HOTEL. AND THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE THAT HOTEL LIES WITHIN THE EXPRESSWAY CORRIDOR. AND THEREFORE IT WILL TRIGGER AN EHA. SO I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN ADDRESS DOWN THE LINE. AS YOU SAID IT WILL TAKE SIX MONTHS AND THEN WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TYPE OF MITIGATION MEASURES FOR NOISE AND POLLUTANTS THAT CLOSE TO THE TOLL ROAD. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I LIKE WHAT YOU PROPOSED. I LIKE THE PHASING, THE CONCEPT IS GREAT, AND I HAVE TO SAY I'M ALL FOR IT. >> Mayor Muns: ANTHONY. >> Ricciardelli: THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND GOING TO PASS SOMETHING AROUND FOR THE SECOND TIME TODAY. I'M A VISUAL PERSON, Y'ALL. >> Mayor Muns: WE'VE GOT TO KEEP MOVING, ANTHONY. >> Ricciardelli: ANYWAY, I'VE GOT A SINGLE-PAGE NOTE. BUT, ANYWAY, SO FIRST OF ALL, I AGREE WITH THE NEED FOR REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SHOPS AT WILLOW BEND. FOR WHATEVER IT'S WORTH, I'M THE COUNCILMEMBER WHO LIVES THE CLOSEST TO THE SHOPS AT WILLOW BEND. IT'S A THREE-MINUTE DRIVE DOWN COMMUNICATIONS FROM MY HOUSE. SO I CAN GREATLY APPRECIATE THE IMPORTANCE OF GETTING THIS REDEVELOPMENT RIGHT. I APPRECIATE CENTENNIAL'S PLANNED INVESTMENT IN REDEVELOPMENT AND HAD A GREAT MEETING WITH Y'ALL, WHICH I REALLY APPRECIATED. I ALSO REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GUYS WORKING WITH NORTH TEXAS PERFORMING ARTS AND ALSO THE POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE RESTAURANTS. THAT'S ALL REALLY GOOD STUFF. NORTH TEXAS PERFORMING ARTS IS A CROWN JEWEL IN OUR COMMUNITY, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. NONETHELESS, I HAVE SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS ABOUT THIS REGARDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I DO THINK THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RECOGNIZES THE NEED FOR OCCASIONAL DEVIATIONS FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHEN SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES ARE PRESENT. THAT'S WHY I VOTED IN FAVOR OF THE TEXAS RESEARCH CORRIDOR ZONING CASE, EVEN THOUGH THAT DIDN'T COMPLY WITH THE DASHBOARDS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BECAUSE THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T SEE COMING BACK IN 2021. BUT THE SHOPS AT WILLOW BEND REDEVELOPMENT WAS SPECIFICALLY CONSIDERED WHEN WE PASSED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THREE YEARS AGO. WHAT I PASSED AROUND -- AND I PROVIDED THAT TO MS. HENDERSON -- SAYS AT THE MARCH 3, 2020 CPRC MEETING, THE ISSUE OF HIGH-DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT BEING THE GREATEST CONCERN TO THOSE WORRIED ABOUT IMPACTS TO EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE SUBURBAN CHARACTER OF PLANO WAS CONSIDERED. AND SOLUTION NUMBER ONE WAS THAT AREAS WHERE HIGH-DENSITY WERE SUPPORTED BY THE COMMUNITY SHOULD BE DESIGNATED IN THE PLAN ALONG WITH A MAXIMUM NUMBER OF UNITS AND WILLOW BEND MALL WAS SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED IN THERE. THIS FIRST PAGE IS SOMETHING THAT STAFF PROVIDED IN RESPONSE TO A QUESTION. AGAIN AT THE OCTOBER 20, 2020 MEETING OF THE CPRC, WILLOW BEND MALL WAS SPECIFICALLY REFERENCED IN CONNECTION WITH THE DASHBOARDS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS ENVISIONED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THEN IF YOU TURN TO THE SECOND PAGE, UNDER MAXIMUM HOUSING SCENARIOS IN THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN -- TO BE CLEAR, THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY WAS JUST FOR ILLUSTRATIVE PURPOSES, NOT TO BE USED IN SPECIFIC ZONING CASES BUT THE POINT I'M MAKING WITH THIS IS THAT THIS WAS SPECIFICALLY CONSIDERED. PAGE 14 OF THE 23-PAGE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY, SPENDS ONE ENTIRE PAGE OF THE 23-PAGE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY ON THE WILLOW BEND MALL AREA. AND SAYS THAT THE MAXIMUM NEW HOUSING UNITS WOULD BE 834, WHICH IS 131 LESS THAN WHAT'S PROPOSED TONIGHT. SO WE'RE OVER THAT MAXIMUM. WE KNEW OF THE NEED FOR REDEVELOPMENT IN 2021. SO I WOULD RESPECTFULLY SUGGEST THAT WE FOLLOW THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ENCOURAGE A REDEVELOPMENT THAT COMPLIES WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE MADE A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT WAS UNANIMOUSLY PASSED BY THE CPRC, BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND BY THIS CITY COUNCIL. I'M CONCERNED WITH THE FREQUENCY WITH WHICH WE HAVE DISREGARDED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SINCE PASSING IT IN 2021. AND IF YOU TURN TO THEPACKET, AE STAFF SHOWS THAT IN SEVEN CASES WHERE FINDINGS WERE REQUIRED BECAUSE THE ZONING CASE DID NOT COMPLY WITH THE DASHBOARDS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE'VE PASSED FIVE OF THOSE SEVEN. AND TONIGHT WOULD MAKE IT SIX OUT OF EIGHT AND SO I'M CONCERNED, ESPECIALLY GIVEN HOW SPECIFICALLY THIS WAS CONSIDERED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO NOT FOLLOW THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AGAIN. I FEAR THAT WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF TAKING OUR 2021 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ALL OF THE EFFORT THAT WENT INTO IT AND THE UNANIMOUS APPROVAL THAT IT RECEIVED AT EVERY STEP OF THE PROCESS, AND TURNING IT INTO LITTLE MORE THAN AN EMPTY PROMISE AND A DEAD LETTER. WHILE I FULLY AGREE WITH THE NEED FOR REDEVELOPMENT AND WOULD ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT A REDEVELOPMENT AT 834 UNITS OR FEWER, I CAN'T SUPPORT ANY PLAN THAT CONTAINS A GREATER NUMBER OF MULTIFAMILY UNITS THAN THAT PERMITTED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE UNANIMOUSLY ADOPTED LESS THAN THREE YEARS AGO. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE MEETING AND THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN BUT BECAUSE THIS PROPOSAL EXCEEDS THE NUMBER OF MULTIFAMILY UNITS THAT IS PERMITTED BY OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I MUST RESPECTFULLY VOTE NO. >> Mayor Muns: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. STEVE, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU DID. WE TALKED THIS FALL AND I ASKED YOU TO REALLY REACH OUT TO COMMUNITIES AND FIND OUT WHAT THEY WERE DESIRING. AND YOU DID THAT. WE ASKED YOU TO CONTINUE TO MAKE THIS A REALLY SPECIAL PLACE. I USED TO BE IN THE CAFETERIA BUSINESS AND WE WERE IN 60% OF OUR CAFETERIAS WE WERE IN MAJOR MALLS ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY ALL THE WAY TO CALIFORNIA. WE KNEW IN 1987 WE HAD A DINOSAUR ON OUR HANDS AND WE LIVED IN A DINOSAUR JUNGLE. AND IT WAS OBVIOUS TO US THAT EVEN WAY BACK IN THE MID '80s THIS CONCEPT HAD ONLY A VERY FINITE CHANCE TO SURVIVE. TODAY WE HAVE THE DOMAIN IN AUSTIN AND LEGACY WEST IN PLANO. AND THIS LOOKS LIKE THAT. AND I'M THRILLED THAT THIS TYPE OF ENGAGEMENT. RESTAURANTS RETAIL SHOPPING IS REALLY ON DISPLAY FOR WHAT YOU GUYS ARE PLANNING TO BUILD. AND I COULDN'T BE MORE HAPPY. OBVIOUSLY THE VALUE OF THIS MALL, AS IT SITS THERE TODAY, IS AT A VERY LOW NUMBER. AND THERE'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO BE EIGHT, NINE TIMES VALUE WHERE IT'S AT TODAY. AND IF WE DON'T APPROVE THIS, IT COULD GO TO ZERO. AND SO WE'RE REALLY, REALLY ANXIOUS FOR YOU GUYS TO GET STARTED AND TO MAKE THIS REALLY THE SPECIAL PLACE THAT WE KNOW IT WILL BE. AND THANKS TO YOU GUYS, GEORGE AND BRIAN FOR HAVING THE PATIENCE TO PUT UP WITH US TRYING TO GET IT RIGHT. AND I THINK WE FINALLY HAVE. AND SO I'LL BE IN FULL SUPPORT OF THIS BECAUSE I KNOW, I MAY LIVE A LITTLE FARTHER AWAY BUT NOT MUCH. SO I KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS TO -- WELL, QUITE FRANKLY MY WIFE -- [ LAUGHTER ] AND SO THE ANCHOR TENANTS THERE RIGHT NOW ARE VERY IMPORTANT. AND I KNOW THEY'RE IMPORTANT TO YOU. WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD TO ASSURE THEIR SATISFACTION AND THAT THEY'LL BE THERE ALONG WITH YOU. SO, AGAIN, I AM VERY MUCH IN SUPPORT OF THIS. >> THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT. >> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: WELL, HOLD ON. DID YOU SECOND IT? >> I SECONDED IT. >> Mayor Muns: GO AHEAD. >> Williams: WITH THE CONCERN OVER CONFORMANCE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND COUNCILMAN RICCIARDELLI SAID HE COULD SUPPORT IT WITH A MAX OF 834 MULTIFAMILY, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE USE OF THE EXISTING PLAN STRUCTURES BETWEEN MULTIFAMILY OR SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED COULD BE IDENTICAL. IF THE APPLICANT WERE AMENABLE TO DESIGNATING I THINK 131 OF THE EXISTING PLANNED MULTIFAMILY TO CONDOS OUTSIDE OF THE EH, WOULD THAT BRING EVERYTHING INTO CONFORMANCE AND PRESUMABLY ALLOW A UNANIMOUS VOTE? >> IS THAT A QUESTION? >> Williams: TO BOTH. >> IT WOULD -- THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WILL CONSIDER THEM -- DOES NOT DISTINGUISH BETWEEN OWNERSHIP AND RENTAL. IT DISTINGUISHES THE HOUSING FORM ITSELF. SO THEY WILL STILL BE CONSIDERED MULTIFAMILY UNITS. >> Williams: I SEE. OKAY. THANK YOU. >> CAN WE CLARIFY, DOES THIS INCLUDE COUNCILMEMBER HOLMER'S MODIFICATION ON PRIVATE CLUB SIZE? >> YES. >> YES. >> THAT WAS BY RIGHT AT 8,000 SQUARE FEET OR BELOW AND BY SUP ABOVE THAT NUMBER? >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> Mayor Muns: PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES 6-2. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> MAYOR, WE'LL NEED TO TAKE A SHORT RECESS TO COMPLETE THE FORMS. >> Mayor Muns: YES. WE'LL TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE RECESS. [RECESS] >> Mayor Muns: WE'RE RECONVENED INTO OPEN SESSION. MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, PLEASE. >> COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS TO ALLOW UP TO THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER WITH 30 TOTAL MINUTES ON ITEMS OF INTEREST OR CONCERN AND NOT ON ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE CURRENT AGENDA. THE COUNCIL MAY NOT DISCUSS THESE ITEMS, BUT MAY RESPOND WITH FACTUAL OR POLICY INFORMAT THE COUNCIL MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGEN. AND AS A REMINDER FOR OUR SPEAKERS, PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH OR YELL INTO THE MICROPHONE BUT PLEASE GET CLOSE ENOUGH TO IT SO WE CAN HEAR YOU. THE FIRST SPEAKER TONIGHT IS -- OH, SORRY. THE FIRST SPEAKER IS MARIA TU. >> Mayor Muns: COME BACK TO ME AFTER MARIA IS FINISHED. >> Tu: I APPRECIATE IT. MR. MAYOR, EVERY YEAR AROUND THIS TIME DURING THE LUNAR NEW YEAR, I MAKE A STATEMENT. AND IT'S ALSO TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT OF CULTURE THAT IS IN PLANO. AS YOU KNOW, IN CITY OF PLANO THERE'S 22% ASIAN POPULATION AND WE HAVE A PART OF PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE IN SPEAKER FORM TODAY. BUT I DO WANT TO, MR. MAYOR, FOR YOU TO KNOW THAT 17% OF THE CITY OF PLANO ASIAN POPULATION ARE CHINESE AMERICANS. AND THAT'S WHY LUNAR NEW YEAR IS SO CELEBRATED AND ALSO VERY IMPORTANT TO US. THE LUNAR NEW YEAR FOR 2024 WAS ON FEBRUARY 10th. AS I'VE SAID MANY TIMES BEFORE, IT IS A TIME FOR FAMILY. IT IS A TIME FOR REUNION. IT IS A TIME TO CHECK IN ON YOUNG AND THE ELDERS. WE DON'T WANT THE MONSTER YEAR TO TAKE THEM AWAY FROM US. THE CELEBRATION WILL LAST FOR 15 DAYS OR UNTIL FEBRUARY 25th. NOW, WHY IS THE CELEBRATION FOR 15 DAYS? BECAUSE THE NEW YEAR MARKS THE BEGINNING OF THE NEW MOON, WHICH IS A FULL MOON. WHILE THE 15th DAY MARKS THE REAL FULL MOON. AND IT SYMBOLIZES OUR FULL LIFE IN THE BEGINNING AND THE COMPLETION OF A CYCLE TO COME BACK TO ITS FULLNESS AGAIN ON THE 15th DAY. THE CIRCLE OF LIFE. THIS YEAR IS THE YEAR OF DRAGON. THIS IS THE ONLY MYSTICAL CREATURE IN THE CHINESE ASTROLOGY AND MAYBE THAT IS WHY SOME ASIAN COUNTRIS PREFER THE YEAR OF THE CAT OVER DRAGON. BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT CATS ARE ALSO MYSTERIOUS AND WORSHIPPED IN MANY ASIAN CULTURES. SO THIS YEAR IS A YEAR WITH MYSTICAL POWER AND MYSTERIOUS SURPRISES. SO WHAT'S SO SPECIAL ABOUT THE YEAR OF DRAGON? WELL, IN THE CHINESE CULTURE, DRAGONS ARE THE RULERS OF THE SKY AND SEA. THEY BRING WATER TO THE WORLD AND IN THE AGRICULTURAL SOCIETY WATER IS IMPORTANT. NOT TOO MUCH, BECAUSE IT WOULD KILL THE HARVEST. NOT TOO LITTLE BECAUSE IT WOULD CAUSE DROUGHT AND FAMINE. PLEASING THE DRAGON IS IMPORTANT. PRAYING TO THE GODS TO SEND THE DRAGON WHEN THERE IS A LACK OF RAIN, SHOWERING THE GODS WITH GIFTS AND PRAYERS TO CALM THE ANGRY DRAGON THAT IS CAUSING FLOOD AND SO ON AND SO ON. IN CHINA THE SON IS EQUATED WITH BEING THE SON IN DRAGON. THE HIGH GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS ARE ALLOWED TO WEAR DRAGON EMBROIDERED CLOSELY. LOOK CLOSELY BECAUSE YOU MUST COUNT THE CLAWS OF THE DRAGON. ONLY THE EMPEROR CAN WEAR EMBROIDERED DRAGONS WITH FIVE CLAWS ON EACH FRONT PAW AND SOME WOULD DELIBERATELY MAKE IT NINE BECAUSE NINE SYMBOLIZES LONGEVITY. SO WE SHOULD NOT BE SURPRISED TO SEE MANY YOUNG ASIAN WOMEN PREGNANT. AFTER ALL, WHO DOESN'T WANT A CHILD BORN IN THE YEAR OF THE DRAGON. THE RULER OF ALL THINGS. IN MY YEARS OF TELLING THE TALES ABOUT LUNAR NEW YEAR I HAVE NEVER DISCUSSED FOOD EATEN DURING THIS TIME PERIOD SO LET ME TELL YOU SOME REASONS WHY WE EAT WHAT WE EAT DURING THE NEW YEAR. DUMPLINGS. IF YOU EVER HAD STEAMED DUMPLINGS IN A CHINESE RESTAURANT, YOU WILL SEE IT WRAPPED IN A PECULIAR SHAPE. THAT IS BECAUSE IT IMITATES A GOLD AND SILVER INGOT THAT WERE SO POPULAR IN ANCIENT CHINA. AND THIS IS A TRUE SILVER INGOT. SO EATING A DUMPLING IS LIKE EATING FORTUNE INTO ONE'S LIFE. FISH. SO THE WORD "FISH" IN CHINESE IS. [SPEAKING NON-ENGLISH LANGUAGE]. IT ALSO SHARES THE SAME PRONUNCIATION AS A CHINESE WORD THAT MEANS REMAINING OR REMAINDER. SO WHEN THE FISH IS SERVED, THE SERVER WILL ALWAYS SAY. [SPEAKING NON-ENGLISH LANGUAGE]. THAT MEANS YEAR, YEAR WITH REMAINING. AND SO FISH IS ALWAYS SERVED. STEAM CAKE. WE CALL IT PHO GROW. IT GROWS IN SIZE AND THAT'S HOW WE LIKE TO SEE OUR FORTUNE AND WEALTH SO WE EAT A LOT OF PHO CAKE. IT SHARES THE SAME PRONUNCIATION AS THE NUMBER EIGHT IN CHINESE . SO YOU WONDER WHY ASIANS COVET THE NUMBER EIGHT FROM LICENSE PLATES TO ROOM NUMBERS TO HOTEL NUMBERS TO WHATEVER NUMBERS. ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH NUMBERS. NOW YOU KNOW WHY. NUMBER EIGHT IS VERY COVETED. STICKY RICE CAKE. IN CHINESE, IT IS CALLED. [SPEAKING NON-ENGLISH LANGUAGE]. THE WORD STICKY SHARES THE SAME SOUND AS YEAR IN CHINESE. CAKE SHARES THE SAME SOUND IN CHINESE AS HIGH OR HIGHER. EATING STICKY RICE CAKE IS THE HOPE TO MOVE HIGHER IN STATUS IN LIFE YEAR TO YEAR. SO THERE YOU HAVE IT. THE LUCKY FRUIT DURING THE NEW YEAR'S IS ORANGE OR TANGERINE BECAUSE THE COLOR OF THE FRUIT IS GOLDEN AND IT SYMBOLIZES WEALTH AND PROSPERITY. SO IN THE NEW YEAR, I WISH ALL OF YOU WILL BE ABLE TO CONSUME LOTS OF DUMPLINGS, FISH, STEAM CAKE, STICKY RICE CAKE, AND ORANGES AND MAY YOU FIND MANY 8s IN 2024. [APPLAUSE] >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, MARIA. BASED ON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS, WE'RE GOING TO LIMIT ALL SPEAKERS TO TWO MINUTES EACH. SO IF YOU WILL, LISA, GO AHEAD AND START WITH THE COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST. >> A. AHMED. >> WHEN CITIZENS OF AMERICA COME TO VOICE THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT A SPECIFIC TOPIC, WE ARE IGNORED, SHUT DOWN, AND OUR CONSIDERATIONS ARE NOT EVEN ACKNOWLEDGED. THE CITY OF PLANO IS REGARDED TO HIGH STANDARDS. A CITY WHERE SOCIETY FLOURISHES AND A CITY OF EXCELLENCE. SO WE COME TO PEOPLE LIKE YOU. PEOPLE OF POSITION OF POWER. HOPING FOR YOU TO SUPPORT US AND TO ADDRESS OUR CONCERNS. THE ONGOING PALESTINIAN CONFLICT HAS BEEN TRANSPIRING FOR DECADES. YEAR AFTER YEAR THOUSANDS OF PALESTINIANS HAVE PASSED AWAY WITH UNCOMPLETED AMBITIONS BUT THEIR DEATHS WILL NOT BE IN VAIN. THEIR DEATHS HAVE MADE OUR FAITH EVEN STRONGER AND REMIND US WHAT IS IT LIKE TO BE MUSLIM. EVERY SINGLE DAY PEOPLE WHO HAVE MORALITY, A SENSE OF HUMANITY STRIVES TO MITIGATE THE DAMAGES DONE TO PALESTINE. I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THAT BEING IN SUPPORT OF PALESTINE IS NOT EXCLUSIVELY FOR MUSLIMS. IT IS FOR EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING THAT HAS A HEART. IT'S FOR ALL OF US. WE'VE HAD ENOUGH. THE CONFLICT HAS GOTTEN SO BAD. THE HATE CRIMES HAVE BEEN TRANSPIRING IN THE UNITED STATES WHERE A BOY WAS STABBED 26 TIMES, NOT ONCE, NOT TWICE, BUT 26 TIMES AND HIS LAST WORDS WAS TO COMFORT HIS CRYING MOTHER. THIS IS THE VERY COUNTRY THAT PROTECTS OUR RIGHTS AND GRANTS US SECURITY. THE CEASE-FIRE RESOLUTION IS TO SAVE LIVES ON BOTH SIDES. EVERY DAY IN THE NEWS WE HEAR ABOUT SOLDIERS GETTING KILLED AND COUNTLESS PALESTINIANS DYING FROM STARVATION, DEHYDRATION, AND VIOLENCE. 1,140 ISRAELIS -- [TIMER] >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. >> HONORABLE MAYOR MUNS AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. THE U.S. ACTUALLY PROVIDES $3.8 BILLION TO ISRAEL IN TERMS OF UNCONDITIONAL MILITARY AID. THERE'S LITTLE INCENTIVE FOR ISRAEL TO LISTEN TO THE U.S. WHEN THEY GET THAT KIND OF MONEY. A LOT OF THAT MONEY IS ACTUALLY NEEDED HERE. THERE ARE MANY PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE IN THE U.S. THAT WE COULD USE TO RESOLVE THOSE -- BASICALLY TO RESOLVE THOSE ISSUES. THE LONG-TERM EFFECT, THE CONFLICT IN GAZA AND ISRAEL, IT'S NOT EXCLUSIVE. IT ACTUALLY HAS A LOT OF IMPACT ON THE U.S. AND ONE OF THE MAJOR THINGS IS THAT THE U.S., THE WAY IT THRIVES IS BASICALLY DOING BUSINESS WITH OTHER COUNTRIES. A LOT OF OTHER COUNTRIES DON'T LIKE WHAT THEY'RE SEEING AND THEY LOSE BUSINESS WITH OTHER COUNTRIES. OTHER COUNTRIES WILL MAKE POLITICAL ALLIANCES SO WE JUST HAVE TO REMEMBER THROUGH HISTORY MAJOR POWERS, EMPIRES HAVE FALLEN. WE DON'T WANT TO BE THERE. AND WE DON'T -- AND ESPECIALLY IN THE CASE OF IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS WHEN WE SEE GENOCIDE GOING ON. LEADERS LIKE YOURSELF, WE'RE YOUR CITIZENS BUT WE ALL HAVE TO SPEAK UP. AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DELAY AND DON'T SPEAK UP. WE HAVE SEEN WHAT HAPPENS TO THE JEWS DURING THE SECOND WORLD WAR. THEY DON'T SPEAK UP IN TIME. SO I'M HERE TO REQUEST THE CITY COUNCIL TO -- >> 20 SECONDS. >> ASK FOR A CEASE FIRE. IT WILL BENEFIT BOTH SIDES. THERE ARE COUNTLESS PALESTINIAN CIVILIANS, ISRAELI SOLDIERS DYING. WE NEED TO GET FOOD TO THE PEOPLE OF GAZA THAT ARE STARVING AND A CEASE FIRE WILL ALSO HELP JUMP START THE PEACE PROCESS. THANK YOU. >> ZARA CAWTRY. ZARA CAWTRY. MOVE ON TO SELENA ALI. >> GOOD EVENING, ESTEEMED MAYOR AND COUNCI MEMBERS. MY NAME IS SAMINA ALI. BY NOW YOU HAVE HEARD FACTS AND MUST HAVE SEEN THE HORRIFYING IMAGES FROM THE WAR IN GAZA. I WOULD LIKE TO START OFF WITH A POEM. WHAT COULD I TELL YOU THAT WOULD MAKE YOU STOP KILLING CHILDREN? IF I TOLD YOU THEIR LAUGHTER WAS THE SWEETEST SOUND IN THE WORLD, WOULD YOU STOP? IF I TOLD YOU HOW THEY CARRIED THEIR LITTLE TOYS WITH THEM EVERYWHERE THEY WENT, WOULD YOU STOP? IF I TOLD YOU HOW THEY SMILED AT EVERY STRANGER THEY PASSED BY, WOULD YOU STOP? IF I TOLD YOU ABOUT THE WAY THEIR EYES WELL UP WITH TEARS WHEN THEY GET HURT, WOULD YOU STOP? IF I TOLD YOU THEY COULDN'T HARM ANYONE BECAUSE THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT HARM IS, WOULD YOU STOP? WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO MAKE YOU STOP? IT IS THE CHILDREN WHO ARE SUFFERING THE MOST IN THIS WAR. IMAGINE THE BEAUTIFUL INNOCENT CHILDREN ARE YOUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN. WHAT WOULD WE WANT FOR THEM. JUST YESTERDAY OF MANY THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN GOING THROUGH TRAUMA IN GAZA I WATCHED A SWEET BOY NOT EVEN 3 YEARS OLD HAVE TO GO THROUGH AMPUTATION OF HIS LEFT LEG FROM HIS THIGH WITHOUT ANY ANESTHETIC. CAN YOU FATHOM THIS? WHAT IS THIS WORLD COMING TO? AND THIS BOY DOESN'T HAVE ANY FAMILY. HIS MOTHER, FATHER, AND SIBLINGS WERE ALL KILLED IN THIS WAR. SO INCREDIBLY HEART WRENCHING AND BEYOND OVERWHELMING. YET THIS BRAVE LITTLE BOY AGAINST THE INSURMOUNTABLE ODDS HE IS FACING IS NOW WITH SMALL BABY CRUTCHES LEARNING TO WALK. AND I THOUGHT CAN WE NOT EVEN MUSTER A LITTLE BRAVERY AS THIS BOY TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT. AND SO I AM HERE TODAY AS THE WAR IN GAZA IS REPLETE WITH THOUSANDS OF CASES LIKE THIS SWEET CHILD, WITH NO END IN SIGHT. SO I URGE YOU, RESPECTED MAYOR, PLEASE CALL FOR AN END TO THIS WAR. WE ARE ALL COMPLICIT IN. CALL FOR PEACE. IN THE NAME OF OUR SHARED HUMANITY AND COMMON DECENCY. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> DEB ARMENGER. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DEB AND I LIVE AT 2003 MISTY WOOD LANE IN DENTON. I'M A JEW, MEMBER OF JEWISH VOICE FOR PEACE AND A FORMER DENTON CITY COUNCILMEMBER. I URGE YOU TO JOIN THE GROWING NUMBER OF CITY COUNCILS IN TEXAS AND NATIONWIDE PUTTING CEASE FIRE RESOLUTIONS ON THEIR AGENDAS. ON BEHALF OF CONSTITUENTS WHOSE FAMILIES AND COMMUNITIES ARE DIRECTLY AFFECTED IN DIVERSE AND DEVASTATING WAYS. IN A RECENT REUTERS POLL, 70% OF AMERICANS WANT TO SEE THE U.S. PUSH FOR A CEASE FIRE AND END TO ISRAEL'S GENOCIDE IN GAZA. CEASE FIRE IS NOT A RED OR BLUE ISSUE. IT IS A NON-PARTISAN ISSUE. AS FOR WHY IT IS A CITY COUNCIL ISSUE, CITY COUNCILS STATEWIDE AND NATIONWIDE WHO ARE PUTTING CEASE FIRE RESOLUTIONS ON THEIR AGENDAS ARE SHOWING FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY AND LOCAL CONTROL BY GIVING LOCAL ELECTEDS A VOICE ON THE MISAPPROPRIATION OF BILLIONS OF U.S., CITY, STATE, AND FEDERAL TAX DOLLARS SPENT ON WAR CRIMES, GENOCIDES, AND APARTHEID OVERSEAS AND THEY ARE HONORING THE SANCTITY OF LIFE THAT WE ALL HOLD DEAR. I'M A LITERATURE PROFESSOR WHERE I TEACH A COURSE ON LITERATURE IN THE HOLOCAUST. I WANT EVERYONE TO REMEMBER THE 6 MILLION LIVES LOST WHILE& THE WORLD WATCHED IN SILENCE SO THAT WE CAN LEARN FROM HISTORY RATHER THAN REPEATING IT. I CONSIDER IT MY DUTY AS A JEW, AS A WORLD CITIZEN, AS AN AMERICAN, AND AS A HUMAN BEING TO PRESERVE THE PAINFUL MEMORY OF THE HOLOCAUST SO THAT IT NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN TO ANYONE. THERE ARE MANY JEWS WORLDWIDE WHO FEEL THE SAME, NOT IN SPITE OF OUR JUDAISM BUT BECAUSE OF IT. THE MYTH THAT TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST ISRAELI APARTHEID IS SOMEHOW ANTI-SEMITIC IS PROPAGANDA. IT'S OFFENSIVE AND DANGEROUS AND THE OPPOSITE OF THE TRUTH. IT IS AN OFFENSIVE DISSERVICE TO AMERICAN JEWS TO ALLOW A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT TO PRETEND TO SPEAK IN OUR NAME. IN THE HOLOCAUST, ENTIRE NATIONS WERE COMPLICIT IN ETHNIC CLEANSING WHILE SMALL VILLAGES AND COMMUNITIES WITHIN THOSE NATIONS -- >> Mayor Muns: YOUR TIME IS UP. >> THAT'S THE TIME? THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> LAURA HASSAN. LAURA? WE'LL MOVE ON TO MISTY HOYT. >> NOW I'M FEELING A LITTLE GUILTY BECAUSE I JUST HAVE A FIRST-WORLD ACCOLADE. I DON'T KNOW WHOSE BRAIN CHILD IT WAS TO PUT THOSE SIGNS UP AROUND PLANO BUT IT'S BEEN SUCH A SWEET SURPRISE AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUYS KEEP DOING IT BUT WE'RE ALREADY A CITY OF EXCELLENCE. BUT THERE'S JUST ALL THESE LITTLE TWEAKS THAT KEEP HAPPENING. I'M EVEN MORE PROUD TO LIVE IN THIS CITY. THANK YOU FOR THE SIGNAGE AROUND PLANO. IT'S AMAZING. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. >> MALIA COSMY. >> IT HAS BEEN OVER 128 DAYS OF ONGOING GENOCIDE OF PALESTINIANS IN GAZA. OVER 128 DAYS OF BOMBARDMENT, FORCED DISPLACEMENT, AND FORCED STARVATION. EXTREMELY CALCULATED AND BRUTAL MURDER. ALL THIS TIME WITHOUT A PEEP FROM THIS CITY COUNCIL IN SUPPORT OF PALESTINIANS MAKES ME QUESTION SOME THINGS. CAN WE TRUST THIS CITY IF THEY CAN'T RECOGNIZE A GENOCIDE FOR WHAT IT IS? CAN WE TRUST THE CITY WHEN THEY REFUSE TO CALL FOR A CEASE FIRE IN GAZA? CAN WE TRUST THE CITY IF THEY CONDEMNED HAMAS OVER 100 DAYS AGO BUT SUDDENLY FORGOT HOW TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST THE IOF FOR THEIR CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY. CAN WE TRUST THE CITY IF THEY CAN'T SPEAK OUT ABOUT HOW THEIR TAX DOLLARS GO TOWARDS THE TORTURE OF ANOTHER PEOPLE? WOULD THESE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS EVEN SPEAK UP IF ANY OF US HAD BEEN STUCK AND MURDERED IN GAZA? WOULD THESE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS EVEN SPEAK UP IF ANYTHING AS HORRIFIC WERE TO HAPPEN HERE IN PLANO? IT'S TIME TO STEP IT UP. CALLING FOR A CEASE FIRE IS THE BARE MINIMUM AT THIS POINT. I URGENTLY CALL UPON THE CITY OF PLANO TO INTRODUCE A CEASE FIRE RESOLUTION TO THEIR MEETING AGENDA CALLING FOR ALL OF THE FOLLOWING: A PERMANENT AND IMMEDIATE CEASE FIRE. AN END TO THE SIEGE OF GAZA. FOR THE RELEASE OF ALL PALESTINIAN PRISONERS. FOR AN END TO THE ILLEGAL OCCUPATION OF PALESTINIAN. AN END OF U.S. AID TO ISRAEL. WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR? IT'S STILL NOT TOO LATE. THE CITIZENS HAVE BEEN PUSHED TO THEIR LAST SAFE AREA. THEY'RE BEING BOMBED AND A GROUND INVASION HAS BEEN ORDERED. IN THE WORDS OF A PALESTINIAN SINGER, IT'S NEVER TOO LATE UNTIL THAT PLACE AND THOSE PEOPLE DON'T EXIST ANYMORE. IT'S NEVER TOO LATE UNTIL THEN. THEN IT'S TOO LATE SO SPEAK UP WHILE YOU STILL CAN BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO ANYWHERE AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE UP ON PALESTINIANS. THEIR LIVES ARE NOT LESS WORTHY. [APPLAUSE] >> SAMIRA. >> SAMEER, 75093. I COME TO YOU TODAY AS A PALESTINIAN AMERICAN WITH CONFUSION. I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW SOMEONE WHO LISTED AS A PRIORITY TO UNITE THE COMMUNITY IN THEIR ELECTION CAMPAIGN HAS CHOSEN TO STAY SILENT. YOU MENTION LEADERSHIP A LOT FROM YOUR INTERVIEWS YET YOU HAVEN'T DISPLAYED AN OUNCE OF IT WHEN WE NEED IT THE MOST. YOU ARE A PART OF THE UNITED STATES CONFERENCE OF MAYORS, AN ORGANIZATION THAT WAS FOUNDED WITH THE PURPOSE OF CITY OFFICIALS GIVING MORE INPUT INTO FEDERAL POLICIES. THIS IS WHY I KNOW YOU UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CAN HAVE BY PASSING A CEASE FIRE. THE SILENCE I HAVE SEEN FROM ALL OF YOU IS SHAMEFUL. THIS GOVERNMENT FAILS TO ACKNOWLEDGE WHEN AMERICANS ARE KILLED IN WEST BANK. IF I WERE TO BE SHOT AND KILLED BY THE IDF VISITING MY FAMILY I WONDER, MAYOR, HOW SILENT YOU WOULD BE. PLEASE SHOW THE LEADERSHIP AND THE COURAGE YOU CLAIM TO HAVE AND PASS A CEASE FIRE. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> CHASE FITZPATRICK. CHASE FITZPATRICK. >> CHASE, 75093. IT IS A PRIVILEGE TO LEND MY VOICE TO THE PALESTINIAN CAUSE IN FULL SUPPORT OF ITS LIBERATION AND RIGHT TO SELF-DETERMINATION. JUST AS YOU HAVE THE PRIVILEGE TO FACE US FROM THOSE SEATS. I KNOW I DO NOT TAKE MY PRIVILEGES LIGHTLY. LAST NIGHT ON THE LARGEST STAGE IN THIS NATION A FOREIGN STATE WAS PERMITTED TO PURCHASE AD SPACE. A VIOLENT CALL TO SLAUGHTER AGAINST PALESTINIANS. THIS WAS VIOLENCE. AND SO SHAMEFULLY MADE IN THE NAME OF FATHERHOOD. FATHERS IN PALESTINE TO ANOTHER DAY OF PROMISING THEIR CHILDREN EVERYTHING'S GOING TO BE ALL RIGHT. WE'VE BEEN CALLING FOR A CEASE FIRE FOR NEARLY 130 DAYS NOW. SHAME. WHAT IS IT ABOUT THEIR SUFFERING, THEIR FEARS, THEIR SHATTERED DREAMS THAT ARE INCONSEQUENTIAL TO YOU, MY REPRESENTATIVES. MY FRIENDS, MY NEIGHBORS, THE BRAVEST PEOPLE I KNOW HAVE BARED OPEN THEIR HEARTS AND PLED FOR YOUR HELP TO NO AVAIL. SHAME. HOW MANY MORE TALES OF CHILDREN'S LIMBS IN PLASTIC BAGS WILL BE ENOUGH? EVEN IF JUST TO SATISFY YOUR OWN NEEDS, HOW DOES THE INFAMY THAT INEVITABLY AWAITS EACH AND EVERY ONE YOU TASTE BETTER THAN THE GLORY YOU COULD RECEIVE FOR BEING THE FIRST CITY COUNCIL IN THIS STATE FOR DOING SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT TO STOP THIS GENOCIDE. 2025 AND 2027 ARE NOT SO FAR AWAY AND WE WON'T FORGET. CEASE FIRE NOW. [APPLAUSE] >> KHALID ISHACK. >> GREETINGS, MY DEAR BROTHERS AND SISTERS. COUNCILMEN NEIGHBORS. STANDING BEHIND ALL OF THESE PEOPLE BEHIND ME ARE YOUR NEIGHBORS. THEY ARE NOT JUST CONSTITUENTS, WE ARE NEIGHBORS. WHEN I STOOD HERE A MONTH AGO I ASKED PLEASE MAKE A STATEMENT THAT CALLS FOR PEACE. CALLS FOR STOPPING THE KILLING. 100,000 PEOPLE KILLED, INJURED, MISSING AS OF YESTERDAY. 100,000. THE MAJORITY OF THEM WOMEN AND CHILDREN. YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE HURTING, AS YOU HEARD. PLEASE CALL FOR A STATEMENT. PLEASE MAKE A STATEMENT THAT EASES US. I HAD SOME THINGS, SOME POINTS WRITTEN OUT FOR YOU BUT THE PHONE IS DEAD. ALL I'M ASKING YOU, AS MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS, PLEASE EASE OUR HEARTS. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> JENNIFER GRAYSON. >> I HAVE BEEN A PLANO RESIDENT FOR 15 YEARS AND UNTIL RECENTLY MY FAMILY HAS ALWAYS FELT WE COULD EXPRESS OUR JEWISH FAITH AND BE SAFE. WHILE THE PRO PALESTINIAN SPEAKERS ARE CALLING FOR A CEASE FIRE, I HAVE YET TO HEAR A MAJORITY OF THEM CALL FOR THE RELEASE OF THE HOSTAGES OR EVEN MENTION THE BARBARIC WAY A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION KILLED AND BEHEADED CHILDREN. I HEAR WORDS SUCH AS OCCUPIERS, COLONIZERS DESCRIBE THE VICTIMS OF THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL. AND I CAN NO LONGER SIT BY WITHOUT A RESPONSE. THE JEWISH PEOPLE HAVE LIVED IN THIS LAND WE CALL ISRAEL SINCE THE 13th CENTURY BC. 1300 YEARS BEFORE JESUS. AND 1,909 YEARS BEFORE ISLAM. JERUSALEM WAS FOUNDED AS ITS CAPITAL IN 103 BC BY KING DAVID, KING OF ISRAEL AS IT WAS KNOWN THEN AND NOW. 1,612 YEARS BEFORE THE FOUNDING OF ISLAM. ARCHAEOLOGISTS HAVE SAID WE ARE THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE. TO CALL US OCCUPIERS AND COLONIZERS ARE CONTRARY TO THEIR MEANING. THROUGHOUT HISTORY, THE LAND HAS BEEN CONTROLED BY GREEKS -- >> 20 SECONDS. >> THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT WAS GIVEN IT BY A TREATY. GAZA HAS NOT HAD AN ELECTION SINCE HAMAS, A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION THAT IS KNOWN TO LIE ABOUT THE NUMBERS OF DEAD IN 2007. THAT'S ONLY A BRIEF HISTORY, IF I CAN, BECAUSE I AM EMOTIONAL. THE COVENANT OF HAMAS, THEIR CHARTER, CALLS -- >> Mayor Muns: MS. GRAYSON. >> WILL COME ABOUT WHEN ALL JEWS ARE KILLED. THIS IS NOT ABOUT LAND. THIS IS ABOUT THE DEATH OF MY PEOPLE. >> Mayor Muns: YOUR TIME IS UP. >> I JUST HAVE ONE MORE SENTENCE PLEASE. I PRAY THAT HOSTAGES ARE FREED. I ALSO PRAY THAT HAMAS LOVES THEIR PEOPLE MORE THAN THEY HATE MY CHILDREN AND MY PEOPLE. AND JEWS AND PALESTINIANS WILL ONE DAY LIVE IN PEACE. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: SO I APPRECIATE THE MANY TIMES YOU'VE COME TO THIS COUNCIL AND TALKED TO US. I PRAY FOR PEACE EVERY DAY. I PRAY FOR PEACE OF INNOCENT VICTIMS. WE'RE A DIVERSE COMMUNITY AND WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THAT. WE'RE AN INTERNATIONAL CITY. WE'RE INCLUSIVE. WE'RE SAFE AND WE'RE COMPASSIONATE. IT'S OUR PRIORITY TO KEEP OUR RESIDENTS SAFE AND SECURE. AND WE WANT THAT FOR ALL OF OUR COMMUNITY TO FEEL SAFE AND SECURE. AND THAT'S OUR OBJECTIVE EVERY SINGLE DAY HERE IN PLANO. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE A DIRECT RESPONSIBILITY EVERY SINGLE DAY IS TO PROTECT ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS HERE IN PLANO. YOU SPOKE TO ME AS THOUGH I HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT I'VE DONE. BUT AT THE U.S. CONFERENCE OF MAYORS THREE WEEKS AGO I WAS IN WASHINGTON AND I SPOKE TO OUR CONGRESSMEN. JUST LIKE I WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO THE SAME BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE MOST EFFECT. GOOD. I APPRECIATE THAT. >> [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Muns: YOU JUST DID. THAT BEING SAID, WE ARE ADJOURNED. [MEETING ADJOURNED]