all the main order. Stand for the pledge of allegiance, please. Thank you very much. Roll call, please. >> Council member Nordby, >> here. >> Excuse me. Council member Woods >> here. >> Council member McKenzie >> here. >> Council member Schwar >> here. Mayor Muggi >> here. >> Thank you very much. Can I get a motion to adopt the agenda, please? >> So moved. >> So moved. Council member Mackenzie. Seconds. Woods. All those in favor say I. I I thank you very much, >> Mayor. Uh consent agenda. Uh item A, February 17th, 2026, city council workshop and regular meeting minutes. Item B, general claims of 1,223,68527. Item C, H claims of $19,235.83. Uh item D, building permits for February of 2026. Item E, resolution accepting donations for February of 2026. Item F, electric department purchase of Padmount transformers. And item G, 2025, police employees suspense our overages. Looking for >> Thank you very much. Would anybody like to pull anything at this time? If not, can I have a motion? >> So move. Council member Kinsey. >> Second. >> Second. Council member Woods. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> I. Thank you very much. Next is we're going to go to open the meeting to the public. I do want to say a couple things here this far before we get started. Um, one of the few jobs the mayor has that's a little bit different than everybody else is I'm in charge of running the meeting. So, I do have a couple changes that I would like to uh put into effect. We've been having some issues sometimes with going over and uh just wanted to touch base on that again. So it is three minutes. After three minutes I will say thank you and if it continues I do have the button where I'll be able to uh be able to stop the conversation. It just has been get a little bit want to keep it in check. So it's the three minutes from there. Thank you. And then if it continues then I'm going to have to hit the button on it. So just wanted to say that up front. John Schmall next. John Schmall, 2750 Chisum Avenue Council Mayor. Uh, two quick items. Uh, I got a a copy of my uh where I have my cabin in northern Wisconsin, a big city of 360 souls. And they had a note of receiving a solar bench from Excel and uh evidently this is an item that has solar panels on it and you can charge your phones from this bench. I think it somebody ought to look into it in the electric utility. It be better than that stupid air purifier of last year. I don't need an air purifier. Anyway, but just a suggestion to have something on there about North St. Paul utility solar bench. Second item is I'm hoping that you will tell the uh populace about ALPRs. And if you don't know what an ALPR is, you can ask the officer here that's here today and uh what that's all about. Will you be telling the u the city uh residents about ALPRs and that you'll be putting them up and will where will they be? I was here two meetings ago and I asked the officer just said ALPRS and he went like this and I said uh how many he went like this. So uh I assume you uh will be telling the the citizens that you will have ALPRs and where they will be. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Write that down. >> Thank you. All right. Appreciate it. There's nobody else. We will move on to city business. >> Thank you, mayor. First item up is uh article 7, the HUD closing documents for approval. We have community development director Ken here to discuss. Mr. Roberts. >> Thank you, mayor, members of the council. Uh before you this evening are five documents that the owners of article 7 are asking for city approval of. They are seeking to refinance their mortgage with HUD and to do so they need to clean up some outstanding matters involving the city and really condensed version. Uh all these requirements are coming from HUD. First of all, they weren't weren't the city's idea and we're just facilitating it so they can refinance their uh current mortgage into a HUDbacked uh mortgage going forward. So there's a draft amendment to the development contract which they are it is an acknowledgement that the project is complete and there's nothing deficient at this point with the project. Related to that, there's a certificate of completion that we have confirmed as a city that from all the city requirements that the project again is complete and it doesn't void the warranty work, but just rather that they've completed everything that they need to for the project. On the city side, there's a MPCA environmental covenant and that that is to ensure that any remaining potential contamination is dealt with appropriate appropriately and this gets recorded against the property and it's again a requirement of MPCA as part of the initial cleanup and that continues on I think for the life of the building, however long that goes. There's a reassignment of TIFF payments because it was supported by TIFF. Now they're going to be making those payments to HUD rather than to the developer directly. Again, another HUD requirement. And lastly, uh, if you recall not too long ago, probably in February, you approved a sump pump agreement for this project, and that was to allow their sump pump to discharge into the sanitary sewer. And they again, HUD is now requiring an anti-deficiency provision uh to ensure again that that carries on and there's no outstanding matters. All of these items have been reviewed by the city attorney and he's comfortable with them. And so it's our recommendation that the council uh approve all the request all five requested items and authorize the mayor and city manager to assign them as may be necessary. Jack again is familiar with them if you have questions and the developers attorney is here as well if needed. questions. You We're all good. You attorney? >> Yes. Sorry, your honor. >> Sorry, I should use name, shouldn't I? >> Uh I reviewed all of the uh documents. Um I my description is in the um the memo that is before the council. Uh and um I would recommend approval. >> Good. Well, there we go. There you go. Can >> I have uh for article 7 HUD closing documents approval? Can I have a motion, please? So move. >> So move. Council member McKinzy. >> Second. >> Second. Council member Norby. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> Thank you. >> Appreciate the work on it. >> Thank you. >> Sorry. You going to get a chance to say hi. >> Thank you. >> All right. Next item up is the coin press purchase authorization resolution. Ken, are you discussing or >> we're gonna have a joint presentation, Mr. here, members of the art commission, arts and culture commissioner here, Tom Sonic and Carrie Nadu. They put together this PowerPoint. I will help run it and they will talk a little bit about what the arts and culture commission has been doing and then we'll have some information on the coin press machine as well. >> Mr. Mayor, council members, city manager, city staff, thank you for having us here. Really appreciate it. I want to start first by expressing our gratitude um that this city has an arts and culture commission. Uh we think that this uh can really make a difference in our city and it's been proven that it makes a difference in lots of cities throughout the country and the world. Uh it can help revitalize. It creates a sense of place reflecting our local culture and history. Um it builds community pride and engagement. Um, and we see it not really as a decoration, but really a core infrastructure for livability and growth. And, uh, I think we're starting to see some evidence of this in North St. Paul already. We have seen some, I've noticed, uh, social media influencers. I I'm not really too familiar with this, but people who have come to North St. Paul and taken pictures, visited our city, and then they put them up on the social media sites, and you can see in their pictures that they're sharing and talking about the town. pictures of the snowies, not just the big snowy, but the little snowies. Um, yeah, and uh pictures of the murals, pictures of the utility wraps. So, that's kind of exciting and I think it it helps uh people engage with the city more. So, we really appreciate um the city for making this part of what we do here in North St. Paul. We think that this can make a difference. And secondly, I want to take just a second too to uh on the on the second slide here, there's I'll talk about our agenda. There's a picture of our our current commission and even our newest member who's I don't know four months old now. >> Yeah. So, >> we have a full group here. We have a we also have a student commissioner who's not in the picture right now, but we've had some outstanding student commissioners, both of whom who have aspirations to be president of the United States. And I'm not kidding. and either of them or both of them could someday be. I mean, we've got some really talented youth here in North St. Paul. So, that's really fantastic. And we've had some awesome members of the commission. Um, you know, Margaret me said, "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." And I don't say that we're changing the world, but we're changing our world here in North St. Paul by making it a more livable and engaging space. So, I want to thank our commissioners for their dedication. Uh, we have some extraordinarily dedicated people and Carrie Neto here being one of them and we have another member, Raquel, in the back. So, thanks for being here. Okay, I want to just talk a little bit about what we've been up to and then I'm going to talk about what's next and then uh Carrie's going to talk a little bit about a penny press which is an exciting new artistic cultural related thing that we're that we're proposing for purchase for the city from our arts commission uh budget. So, what we've been up to, so public art has been a main part of what we do. And you can see from the pictures here, and if you walk around town at all, um, sculpture and other public art. So, Project Snowy, that was a big one that we've completed a couple of years ago. That was a long time in the making, but with coordination with local businesses, we were able to get that done. And I think that's really great seeing the snowies around town. Um, we did create a a snowman brand u that I don't know has been uh used yet, but it's something that will be used um in new construction projects. So, Morgan back there will have to be aware of this as we're uh building new sidewalks or curbs that we can brand that snowy into the uh into the sidewalks. And just kind of a fun whimsical thing for people to kind of see like, you know, I was just at downtown St. hall today and I saw some more of that uh sidewalk poetry where they kind of stamp it right into the concrete sidewalk. I think that's so cool. And so we were talking about doing something like that and came up with the the snowman brand that would be stamped in. >> Um and then uh snowy signs yard art. Honest to God, we're we're really not trying to do everything be a snowman and snowman related. I'm kind of like thinking we got to put a moratorium on it. We people love this. >> Uh yeah. So there may there may be more snowman things, but um we got to branch out and we did. So look at our murals. So Silver Lake Park, the the amazing mural that was done there on the bathroom building and then the Sepila garage that we uh pulled up really quickly with one of our local artists, you know, just really brightens up the downtown area. utility boxes. That's been an ongoing project that we've been doing um every year and we try and knock out like a few of those every year. It won't last forever, but you know um but right now we're continuing we still see some great opportunities to add some more of those. Um and you can see we there are some that are downtown. Uh Casey Lake Park will be going in and this is back um I don't know what side you call that, but I call it the backside where the little ball field is. Um there there will be one back there right at the start of the trail. Um uh North High, there was one that we coordinated with the students there and we had a a design contest for that with the students at North. Um we have some on 7th Avenue and the one on Veterans Park which was a great addition there. And fun fact, the design of the utility box at Veterans Park was the same artist who designed our Snowy right outside of city hall. So >> little artistic uh history for you there. And then cultural events, you know. So this has been something that we've really tried to do as well is uh uh get people involved in the art. So not just public art, but how can people get involved in creating art and seeing art and participating somehow and some of the things that we've been doing? So the art cart, you know, I I remember this when I was a little kid. We had the art cart at Casey Park. It was really awesome. And so there was this old uh wagon or uh you know trailer that was sitting in public works and we painted that thing orange and we had it at um the car show one night and had residents come and put their handprints on it and do all kinds of art on top of that thing and we've been using that mostly at music in the parks. Um and then we've also had it at the car show. So, open the open the doors and let kids come around and engage them in doing creating some art of their own and some adults get involved too and that's cool. Um, and so, like I said, uh, music in the parks and big truck night. Um, art nights. This is where we've had artistled um, uh, what would you call them? Like a class or workshop. Um, and and the participants the participants do have to have a little skin in the game. They pay what like 10 10 bucks. So they can participate and and make something really cool. Carrie, what are some of the items they've they've made? Blankets. >> Blankets. They did the arm knit blankets. They made the mandala on mugs. They did a lot of painting. Watercolor painting is a favorite. So that >> all Yeah. All kinds of really different unique >> artistic styles and things that are explored and those are at the at the park building at Casey. And that's been that's been really neat and engaging with artists that are leading our folks through those things. Um, in 2023 we had three of those. 2024 we had five. And then uh uh and then 2025 we had six. And this year we kind of figured that's our sweet spot, six per year. Um, and that's also something nice that uh we can do those in the winter because we have the Casey Park building. So it gives activities available in kind of those off months. You know, everything gets so busy in the summer, but this allows us to have some activities available at other times of the year. Um, and then the the Autumn Arts Festival. So, this is uh continuing to grow and uh we're really excited about that. We're going to be moving downtown this year, which is really cool. Um, but this has been in Casey Park and um Ava has has really helped take the lead on this, but we really grew from this small thing and every year we're just like, okay, well, let's let's see what we can do. Let's see what comes of it. And people keep coming. We keep having more success. we get more artists involved and it continues to grow so we say okay we got something here let's keep moving um so we've tested it tried it to see how it would work and and it's working and so and it's been great to see a lot of you at the autumn arts festival every year as well um and the national night out so we were a presence there in the uh fire department building um uh helping people make snowy signs there's that snowman again here it is here it is again on the agenda there it is It's everywhere. Can't get away from it. >> Um, so what's next? So public art, so sculpture and other public art. So the penny press. Carrie's going to tell you about that. And this year, you know, um, murals. I just want to say a little bit about murals. We've always had this as kind of a subcommittee and had budget dollars available so that we could execute a mural quickly. Um, and but one of the things we've we've engaged with business owners in town to to to have to help participate in getting a mural done on their building if they're interested. There hasn't been a whole lot of interest just yet. Uh, there has been some interest early on, but so we continue to work and and see if something's there that we can work with them. Um, public spaces were we we're kind of limited on the public spaces that we have. So now we're kind of looking at, you know, can we maybe bring in some sculpture that could maybe fit in in different places in the city. So we're looking at options there. Um, and then murals like, oh, I jumped ahead there. So the business collaboration, the historical society museum. So uh, we kind of stepped into a partnership with the historical society last year. Looked like we were going to move forward with that. Um, and then we just, um, we didn't feel like that one was going to live up to the quality that we expect from the commission. Um, I I hope you can trust us that we're we're not going to spend our taxpayer dollars. These are our dollars, too, right? Because we live here. Um, we're not going to spend those dollars if we don't think it's the right thing to do and if it if we don't think it's going to be a home run for the city. Um, so so we step back from that in coordination with the historical society. Um, but something may still come of that with the historical society at some date. This year, not sure. Maybe next. We'll see. Um, okay. And then utility boxes, more coming. Uh, Silver Lake Park, there's one coming this year. Casey Lake Park, that's uh one that I think the one I mentioned earlier. Um, events, art carts. So, we got a new trailer. So, this is really cool. So, we got this new trailer so we don't have to worry so much about that big door coming down and slamming you on the head. Um, but it didn't happen, thank God. But, uh, it was I was always worried like that thing was going to come down and crush me. But um this this new trailer is really nice. So we're looking forward to using that one. We'll be at big truck night again. Um and then at music in the parks I think at three. >> Uh there's two this year. >> Two this year. Okay. Um and then art night. I already mentioned there are six events this year and the autumn arts festival. So this will be our fifth one now. So is pretty cool and we're going to be downtown. Ava's uh spearheading that and so we're really excited about what can become of that. So uh really appreciate and national night out will be there again. So, appreciate all the support. Um, we hope you're starting to see some of the fruits of our labor and the and the fruits of of your uh support that are showing up throughout the the whole city. It's been pretty cool. Thanks. >> Awesome. Well, first I need to say thank you to Ron and his crew for amazing job plowing. Yay, Ron. >> And I have to say thank you to Lisa, his wife, who's going to lead our art night this Thursday. And we're completely full. We've got one person on the waiting list. I'm really excited about it because I love making art with Lisa and she's donating her time. So, she's a volunteer for us for this event, which is great. Yeah. So, I'm looking forward to that. Um, penny press. So, we all know what a penny press is, right? You go in, you pay her 51 cents or whatever, and you get a little penny smooshed out of it. Why a penny press when pennies are no longer being made? I'm glad you asked. You can either use, right, you could either use copper blanks. So, the the vendor we're working with in Colorado does have copper blanks we can use. We can also use nickels and dimes. And so our commission discussed and we decided nickels cheaper. Might as well go with the nickel route. I mean, and more surface area, right? They're thicker. >> What do all their all their pennies? >> Oh my god. Right. >> Yeah. Or Yeah. I think they can retrofit it to still fit all your old pennies. So, we can do it. So, um the history cruisers, I have confirmed permission from them to use that logo. So, we're set there. The other three are works in progress. So, I'm working with Ava, but this is our initial four round of designs. So, we've got Henry Castle, we've got the giant snowman, we've got the history cruisers because you can't think of North St. Paul without the history cruisers. And then, uh, the pallet and paintbrush is not going to be the final design. That's just clip art that I found, but that's to represent our autumn arts festival. I mean, this is the arts commission putting this penny press together. So, I really felt that it our commission or committee actually felt that it made sense for us to have something that represented the arts in St. Paul. So, we were going with a palette and brush. I am talking to Ava about a new logo for the Autumn Arts Festival, which I think would be much better than that uh clipboard in there. But yeah, so that's the impetus of the uh penny press machine. It has wheels so we can take it places if we ever wanted to. I know that staff is at capacity with what they're already doing. We're already planning to put a sign on there that says that um there will be no change made at the front desk because staff does not have the time to handle that. Any technical issues they cannot help with. So, we will um have to lean on our wonderful public works department, unfortunately, for support in that area. But that is our plan for the Penny Press. Oh, and there's more information about it. And that's what it looks like. They have the blue that matches our blue. So, it's like it was planned. It was like it was meant to be. I'm very excited. Any questions? >> You're a good salesperson. >> Oh, thank you. >> Holy moly. >> I try. >> Very good. That's It's a cool looking machine. Yeah. >> Didn't realize it was that big. >> Yeah. I'm excited. It doesn't require electricity. >> No. >> That's what the old crank is. Huh. >> Back when you used to start your car back in the day. >> Yeah. Yeah. I still start I still start the dozer that way. >> That's right. >> Any questions? Anybody? >> Um I do have one. Uh great work. I really thank you. And this is more of a technical question for me. This will be the first time that I know of that I've voted um on something for the city that generates new revenue. And I was surprised reading it that there wasn't something that said where that revenue went. Um it seemed more of a technical question, but so so the city's putting in something in place that it's going to take in a couple bucks. I mean I I hope you know eventually it pays for itself, but there was nothing that said what happens to those couple bucks that surprised me in the in the legal wording. Is that >> That's a good question. I think it's fair statement. >> Yeah. >> And and I don't know who to ask that question. >> General fund. >> I'd like to propose back to you guys. I mean, it's the machines being paid for. I again on Tom's end, it might not happen quickly, >> right? And again, I I'm not opposed to that. I was just surprised that the resolution or the code didn't spell that out. >> Check. What do you do with our pennies? I >> mean, it's a good question. Um, I think it would be a good thing to address. I think that would be a good decision for the council to make. Um, I there's not necessarily any restrictions on where you could put that money. It could go to the general fund. It could go back to the arts and culture commission budget. Um, that would just be a decision for the council. >> I mean, I think right now our art night monies go back to the general fund. Is that right? I think so. >> I think so. Yeah. So, I mean, that's the precedent. I don't know if you want to follow that or if you want to >> arts festival, art nights, all that. It goes back to the general fund. So, >> and again, I I'm for it. I I plan on voting yes. I just want to be transparent with all the residents and say where the couple bucks go. >> Absolutely. Appreciate that. >> Well, you know what I'm thinking? What happens if you guys at least repay back your money for the cost that you guys are going to have for the delivery charge and the drop shipping charge of the lift gate? That's a lot of money coming off the truck like that for their service to drop the gate because it's 400 bucks. >> Yeah. >> At least get that paid for and then we'll we make a decision where it goes, you know. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Great idea. Yeah. >> That's the first thing you want. pay back what you're losing by the truck delivery. >> Yeah, sure. Yeah. Yeah. So, totally. We're open. I'll leave it to city manager to fight that out with all of you all, but >> we're just volunteers. >> Yeah, we appreciate it. >> You guys have your yearly budget. Excuse me. Yeah. >> So, I mean, they get you get it back, right? >> But, uh, general fund is just fine. You guys still have your budget. >> I think this is a great idea. I the only concern I have is that um because we have limited hours here at city hall, >> how um I mean how how often are people going to be able to visit, especially when it's the work week and um they open early, they close fairly early, business hours, right? Um is it is city hall the perfect place to pit it? Have you guys discussed other areas to place it? I mean, city hall made the most sense to us just because people come I mean I come in here and pay my bills here so I'm in here once a month plus being here for arts commission. Um but yeah, I mean that's why I was excited about the wheels. I didn't realize that it would be a um challenge for staff. I I should have thought of that, but um yeah, that was the place we thought made the most sense because it is centrally located. It is kind of the hub of our city or the heart of our city. Um but open to other ideas. I I did not know about the wheels option which was a really good idea and um maybe it's an another option to place it out on the car show night car show >> or the arts festival knowing that that's going to be downtown this year. I think that's a great idea as well. >> You just wheel it right over but >> depending on how heavy it is. I'm assuming it's not that heavy but >> you never know. So I that's I think it's a great idea. location was one of those like >> Yeah, maybe the Casey Park building throughout the summer or something. >> Oh, that's a good idea. >> Yeah, >> maybe it rotates. >> That's a good idea. Yeah, >> a ro I like that as well as we're brainstorming a rotating coin press. Hey, >> sounds fun. >> I'm sure Ron can lift it. >> Oh, yeah. He can do anything. >> Team >> Yeah. See, he said yes. He's got it. So, I guess I would just say revisit like how often can we if we can move it. I mean, obviously if it's heavy, >> but we want people to be aware of it. So, not if you have children that want to come and see and try the penny press, which >> I I see it when I was a kid, I did it. My kids like to do it. I'm assuming others do too. It's very nostalgic. >> Um, having the ability for people to use it. >> Yeah. >> Great feedback. Thanks. Cool. >> Throw it up for a vote. >> Thanks for the time everyone. >> Thank you. Appreciate everyone. >> Mr. Mayor, if I may. There there was a staff report in your packet. There is a resolution. >> Yep. That's what I was going to do next. Here. >> So, a resolution for the coin press purchase authorization resolution. Can I have a motion? >> I'll Excuse me. I'll make a motion. >> Move. There you go. >> All right. Council member Schwar. Second. >> Second. >> Second. Council member Woods. All those in favor say I. >> I. I. Thank you very much. Appreciate it gang. >> Thank you. All right. Next up is special event ordinance update. Back to community development director, Mr. Roberts. >> Mr. Mayor, members of the council, we bring before you uh my staff and myself an update, proposed update to the special event permit ordinance. C has had this ordinance in place since 2008. And through our experiences in the last couple years, we found there's some ways to improve the processes and make it easier for the users and city staff. So, we're proposing a few changes to the ordinance. Uh the biggest change I would say is and I don't know why that's still up there. >> Yeah, I know. What the heck? >> Just a minute. Okay wait. Close that. There we go. Thank you. Uh we are proposing uh to create two different types of special event permits. One we're calling now a special event registration and this is proposed to be for the smaller events that would occur on private property to not require city services. It would have no more than one mobile food vendor. We wouldn't charge a fee or registration for these, but we would want an applicant to fill out the paperwork and application. So, we as a city were aware of it. We can notify police, fire if we need to. And then there's documentation. If they're having a small event, we don't feel it necessary to have them pay a fee, go through all the licensing requirements. Uh this could be for example if you're having a graduation party. Maybe you have one mobile food vendor come. It's on your private property. That's great. Doesn't need any s city services. Let's keep that simple. The primary special event permit uh would remain the same. Uh that fee remains the same at $80 plus a $15 processing fee. The definition has changed a little bit where we now make it clear this would be for events on public property that require city services andor have more than one mobile food vendor. So again the larger events such as the car show for example it's an example of that. Uh we to facilitate this we're proposing new definitions again defining clearly defining what a special event permit is adding the new definition of special event registration again that's for the smaller events that do not need uh city services and are on private property. We for any of these we are asking or suggesting in the ordinance that they would applicant provide the city a complete site plan which would indicate the location of the vendors stages tents sanitary facilities many things that we should have all the time wasn't clear in the ordinance. So we're adding that as just clearly outline what we expect with an application. For the request, we're putting the timeline that they submit their applications at least 45 days before the event uh to ensure we get enough staff time to review that, answer questions, get more information from an applicant if needed. If it's if we get an application less than 45 days before the date, uh we can expedite it, but there will be an additional fee that the city would charge for that. Uh and then we will provide provide the forms and uh again they would be submitted through the city and approved by the city manager. If and as part of this with the mobile food vendors, we are also clarifying that the city will need a complete list of the mobile food vendors at least 14 days prior to the event. And that again allows time for their inspections, their license check or their insurance checks, uh verifying that they have the necessary inspections from Ramsey County. If they receive if the city receives those uh lists 13A or less than the event we're putting in the ordinance that we cannot guarantee all the requested vendor licenses can be processed by staff. We will try. We'll do our best, but if there's a flood of things that come in at the last minute, we're making it clear that we don't want to promise 100% that we'll be successful every time. We're also adding language that uh staff may deny the application due to the event location being unavailable, and we would notify the applicant within five business days. If for some reason we come up with some kind of a conflict or problem that we weren't aware of, we'll certainly notify an applicant. Those are the highlights of the proposed changes. I'll take questions if there are any. Otherwise, we have for you tonight two actions. There's an ordinance for recommending approval that changes the special event ordinance as outlined in this report. And there's also a resolution that propo approves the proposed amendments to the fee schedule because there are some fee changes outlined as well. With that, I'll take questions. I have one question. um for for the special event registration for things like um you mentioned like graduation parties and things like that for events being held at like Casey Lake or Howy Park or things like that. Is the reservation of the shelter the inherent special event registration or is that a separate process that would need to be completed? >> Council member Woods and members of the council that's a separate thing. >> Okay. Uh if I could just chime in a little bit. Um the definition of special event is an event that is open to the general public. So something like a um graduation party where you're inviting, you know, friends and family, but not necessarily people walking in off the street would not necessarily qualify as a special event that needs a permit. >> Okay. Okay. >> Thank you for the clarification. Can can you speak to the approval process? Right now, my understanding is the current special event permits come before the council. >> Correct. >> Would would both of those type of approvals or either or still need to come before the council? >> Uh, council member Norby and the members of the council and I've got this on the screen. The special event registration is a staff approval only. >> Does not require city council. Again, we're trying to simplify the smaller events that don't have a big impact that staff can approve those special event permits like they do now would come back to the council as they always have. >> Thank you for that clarification. I appreciate that. >> And is that specific to having a mobile food vendor only at a private property? No, they they don't even have to have a mobile food vendor. Uh to become to require the registration. Um >> so >> well wait I I'm sorry. Let's be clear. I want to make sure I'm not so special event permits or registration, excuse me. It's when a special event occurs on private property, does not require city services, and has no more than one mobile food vendor. So, if they do have one mobile food vendor coming to their property, then that would require the registration. >> Okay? >> If they don't have any, >> so if I don't I'm going to use just graduation party because it's it's on the table. So, if I'm having a graduation party for my family member, whether they live at the house or not, I don't have to come to the city to register. It's only specific if I use a mobile food vendor. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> Now, does that food vendor have to park on the property or on the street, that city street, then they would need a permit? We haven't clarified that, but we can certainly make that a condition. If need be, if they should be or kept on the private property, we can do that. So to clarify, one of the things coming to my mind is one of the local bars has a rotten corn feed. It's contained entirely in their own parking lot. Yep. >> There's no mobile food vendors, >> right? >> Currently, they have to get a special event permit. So something like that would no longer need an event permit because it's held entirely on their property. >> Um they pro Is that accurate? they but they may need city services whether it's fire or police or security or you know but >> I think one could say the same thing for a house too. I mean if something were to happen with a mobile food vendor at on a city street in front of my house and we need local fire, local police, whatever that whatever that is. Um, I mean, one can argue that as well. >> I still think it should come through council just so everyone's aware of what's going on >> or would that just fall under a registration? >> Well, that that was the goal of having the registration. And if it's a small event on private property with no more than one vendor, we as a staff are trying to make it easier for those folks to get a registration so the city knows about it but not overburden them with a timeline with city council. And uh >> would one vendor make enough money to go do go to graduation? >> Well, that's not that doesn't matter. That has nothing to do. >> Yeah. What about I it seems like what threw this in is the one Jason brought up. So what as far as because yours was a was it called a corn feed? >> A broughten corn feed >> private brought corn. >> I I I know what a local bar has. It's self-contained within their parking lot. Um they they do not do any food trucks for it because they're doing the rotten corn. Um so I guess the question is what city what is city services? What is that definition? >> Because they're not using public works. Correct me if I'm wrong. Right. >> Correct. >> So, >> they probably would not need a permit then >> based on this definition. >> And and there might be one that a local church does too. That would no longer need a per I'll just throw that pen. Um that would no longer need a permit. Not their big one, but a smaller one. >> Yeah. The big variable is probably the number of mobile food vendors >> and the inspections that those require and and and they also if it's open to the public versus a private party like a graduation party where it's so after these all these scenarios were thrown out. Are we still comfortable with how everything's written as far as your >> We are, but if if the council would like >> I didn't know if anything changed your thoughts or anything like that after some questions were brought up because, you know, I just want to make sure we're still on the same page. >> It's great you're putting me on the spot, but that's great. Uh, yes. I can certainly see where there could be some gray areas or not clear. If the council has some specific things he'd like us to relook at and bring them back, we can certainly do that if there's questions. >> I mean, I understand the purpose of the special event registration for a homeowner, for the corn feed. I get it. Let's make the let's make our um our uh city services aware of it because if we do get a call whatever it looks like we have that I see a lot of confusion that this could cause too um and clarification I think we just need to I mean it's I don't know if the wording needs to be redone >> anything else once you start talking about a little more things come up if everybody feels that you know that it needs to maybe be worded. I mean, >> for my help, is it the definitions that are or just what applies? >> When I first heard about it, it sounds like just a just a um graduation or some party like that, but now all of a sudden we're getting restaurants and, you know, or different places involved, too. So, it's kind of creeped in. And are we comfortable with that? Mhm. >> Because right now if they do their corn and brought do they have to do they have to get a permit now? >> We we approve the permit every year we have. >> Okay. So now are we comfortable with that type of thing going just to not have to do it? That's where the clarification is how everybody feels about it. >> And that's a valid question on mayor's end right there too. Is the council comfortable with that as we're now having moving to this piece of having a registration versus a special event permit? Um to me, I'll give my opinion. I'm fine with it as long as it brings clarity to what what are the expectations if it is a business owner or a bar, whatever it is. if they are handling everything on their property. They're doing the cleanup, they're doing um it's corn, it's it's not a mobile food, it's they're doing it all. I think a registration is just fine. But you there could be one to argue that it's why why do they get that and I have to have a special event permit? It's the exact same event. I mean, I just see some phone calls coming into city hall. One of the things I would say to uh Council Member McKenzie's point, I if we do um go forward with this and and personally I think I am in favor, I would appreciate like a monthly email though of the approved ones just so we're aware of the events. >> So would the I have a question. So would the registration for the not and not a permit just to notify the city of you know the extra capacity. Does this bring an extra hundred customers to that business? So just the city's aware of that. Was that the idea behind that? >> The intent was just for city awareness and then if we get phone calls then we can say well they they registered with the city and they got their staff approval versus going to the council. >> So we will know about it. The staff will know about it. Yes. >> Well, I I Mr. Mayor, I see two options. U if you're comfortable with it, we want to give it a try for this year, move forward with it. If you want some more clarity on private events and when it when when's a special event versus a reg registration needed, we can go back and oh, I hate the term workshop it a little more and then bring it back to you if you want some changes for we want to get this in place for the summer clearly coming up, but we got a little time we could >> right now for that one we voted on for it. So that brought us what more information than just them saying, "Hey, we're we're doing it." And the staff does it to come to us. What more does that do for Does that make any difference for to have it come to us or just to have it go to staff or go to in and say we're getting this permit, we're good, off you go instead of special event. what I don't know if I'm wording this correctly. What brings it up to that hierarchy and what we be losing not having special event going to this? Is there anything that you know as far as information or anything like that or is it just a need to know? >> It I would say it's just just the need to know and again we're trying to streamline for the smaller events that don't have a public input or impact >> just so we're aware of it. we can notify police and fire just so they're aware of it >> and you guys will be doing that just with the permit part. Yes. So then I'm comfortable with that because at least people are knowing because you we're every two weeks or you know twice a month >> and you know be able to pull in front like that then I would now that makes sense to me. We still know it's just the staff saying okay you know let this let the city people know that we were we're having this event they're having this event on Saturday. >> Yes. >> So I'm I think I'm Anybody else? It comes down to whether city st city services are required at the event at the time >> and it's more of an awareness that hey if something does come up there's 100 people potentially at this place and one of those may need medical >> and they could happen any day at any event. Somebody could walk in a Newman's and fall and it's not an event but we still have to do it. So it really doesn't make that difference I think. >> Correct. Would we still get a notification through the council though at least what could be happening or this will be just thrown out through the >> I don't think the council need council doesn't need to know. I think staff that's their job. All right. Does everybody sound okay with that? If I if I now there's one thing on here. What do you want us? You said two things to vote on. So you read it first one will vote. >> Thank you. The first one on the screen is the we're recommending approval of the ordinance that approves the amendments to the special event permit as outlined this evening in the report. And then the second item is about the fee schedule. >> Okay. First item, the amendment for the permit. Do I have a motion on that? >> I'll make a motion. >> Council member Schwear. >> Have a second. >> Second. >> Second. Council member Norby. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> I. And again, the second item is a resolution that approves the proposed amendments to the 2026 fee schedule uh that was that's included in the staff report in the >> perfect. >> I'll make a motion to that as well. >> Thank you, Council Member Schwar. Second. >> Second. >> Second. Council member Woods. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. All right. Last up on the city business action items and recommendations, item D is the 2026 pavement management project, city project number 26-01 received bid award contract and authorized professional construction services. And Morgan's here to give us the good news. >> Oh, we already broke the surprise. The good news. That's good to hear. >> Thanks, Brian. Uh, Mr. Mayor, members of the council. So this next item here before you is um to consider the bids and award a construction contract for the 2026 pavement management project um and also authorized professional services for the construction administration contract administration uh observation during uh the construction process. So as you may recall uh this this project has been before you before uh the streets are um this is primarily pavement replacement. We do have a small area of water mane replacement that public works had identified. All of the streets were identified by public works previously. Um we're talking about sections of first street uh between Navajo and Indian Mohawk between 17th Avenue and Mcnite. 7th Street um north of 30 highway 36 to 9th Avenue. Cow from 7th A to 6th Street. Sixth Street from Holloway to 7th A. Cow from Mcnite to First Street. Memory Lane and Memory Court and Polaris Place and Polaris Court as well as a bid alternate which I've mentioned previously to the council for Skiilman between Mcnite um and Third Street approximately. And the good news is the bids came in very good. So we do have uh it within the budget to complete the base bid plus the alternative of Skilman. >> And so that is the recommendation and proposal before you here tonight. Um the bids received range if we just include the alternate alto together with the base bid the bids range between 2.12 million and 2.49 million. Um if you take out that high bidder actually all of the bids were all within $100,000 which is usually a good sign. That means things were pretty clear to the contractors. Plans were good. Specs were good. Um fairly competitive u uh situation here. And so we feel really good that this was a good representation of the true cost of the project. Uh low bid was just slightly under the engineers estimate. So everything did come in uh where we were hoping for it. It's uh within budget for all the different funding components as I laid out in the memo. Um and so I'll stand for any questions. You've heard about the project before. One note uh also just pertaining to construction. We are going to plan some version of a neighborhood open house or something like that just to invite folks out to, you know, pre-construction to learn more about the project so they know what's going on. Um, and but we haven't selected a date or anything. So, we'll work with Ava on that moving forward to to put together a meeting. Um, and as always, I can recommend uh that you consider the bids and uh adopt by resolution or authorize by resolution a construction contract to the low bidder of Valley Paving in the amount of 2,124,44745. The second uh action item is to consider uh WSB proposal for professional services. I can't recommend that. So, if you do need a recommendation, that might need to come from uh the city manager. But with that, I'll stand for any questions the council might have before uh considering action on this item. >> Thank you for that information. Does anybody have any questions? I know we've been talking about this one. It's good to get it on the books. >> Nice to be able to get the alternative in there as well. >> Yes. >> Yeah, we are pleased with the bid results. Yeah, absolutely. >> Nice job. >> Yeah. >> So, >> all right. I'll ask for a motion on the 20 2026 pavement management project. >> I will make a motion. >> Council member Schwear. >> I will second. >> Second. Council member Woods. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> And you got to do the one for him. >> I would like to make a recommendation for WSB's professional construction services for this next. >> I have a motion for that. >> I will make a motion. Council >> member recommendation. >> My leader today. Thank you. >> I will second. >> Second. Council member Woods. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Morgan kind of like to say a special thanks to Mark Lynch for doing such a wonderful job. >> Oh, that's really nice of you to Yeah. So, uh, many of you might know Mark Lynch. He grew up here in town. Um, knows almost everybody that, uh, if I'm standing next to him and we bump into a random resident, uh, he has some sort of history with him. He's an employee of WSB. has been with WSB for gosh um probably about 10 or 15 years, been in the construction industry for much longer than that. Um his dad actually worked for uh the city of North St. Paul, I think proper, and then also did a lot of work with as a with an engineering consulting firm different than WSB, but his uh dad's name is on a lot of different stuff from back in the day. and um he is finally going to retire and hang it up this summer. So he's going to finish out doing the inspection and observation for what's left on the 2025 project up by Casey Lake. Um and uh so he'll be with us, you know, probably through July. Um but we will have a new inspector for this 2026 project. Um and I haven't met him yet, but I'm hearing good things. And so we will try to do a transfer of institutional knowledge between Mark and the new person. And um yeah, I'm I'm hopeful for uh good things with the new person, but certainly we thank Mark for all his uh several years and many many projects worth of contributions for North St. Paul uh with WSB and just his family in general for North St. Paul infrastructure. I think over the years, I mean, it's generational. It's decades and decades. And um if you do see him, you know, give him a slap on the back and an add a boy and and uh we're all we were all very lucky to have him, I think, over the years. So, it'll be sad to see him go, but everybody needs to retire at some point. And I think this is a great time for him uh with grandkids and travel and all sorts of stuff. I think he's looking forward to it. So, I kind of had to kind of give him a little bit of extra, you know, come on, you can join us for the Casey Lake project for one more. story. So, he might have retired like a year ago, but he's sticking with us to finish up the project and I know he's very proud of what he's done and and it's always I mean, I think we were just really lucky to have like a local person who just happened to work for WSB and was able to >> work on all these projects. So, yeah, thank you to Mark. Thank you for bringing that up. That's a really good thing to recognize Mark Lynch for. So, >> great. >> Thank you. >> Well, we wish him the best. >> Yes. Happy retirement. All right, reports. >> All right, next up, reports. City manager and departments. Um, last week the uh League of Women Voters reached out to uh which they usually host the um forums for the new u council members and mayors that may be running for whoever's up and they're hoping to have it here in the council chambers on uh September 8th. We happen to have an EDA meeting that night. So we have that from about 4:00 to 5:00 and they are looking for uh from probably about 5 to 9ine depending on how many people run and good stuff like that. But uh so more information to come on that but uh I think that would be nice to hold here. Normally it was at the the Legion previously. Uh some department updates. We had uh um system inspection that the lecturer's been working on as he kind of mentioned, but uh we also got Quick Trip has been reaching out and you know getting their permits and working with the electric department because they have to have a generator run the building while they have to move the transformer and make way for their second wash bay that they have there. Uh communications has been participated in a grant writing workshop last week. So, she's looking to be kind of touching base with the department heads and seeing the needs and what to look out for and um so I think she'll be a good addition for doing that. Um she's also working on booking the autumn arts festival at the new locations getting vendors lined up and getting stuff together. So, it'll be nice to see finance of course been wrapped up with the uh auditors last week. Just felt like a weight lift off our damned shoulders and he feels better. So, and then we did hold uh the reviews for the uh finance coordinator position and uh in interviews for that. And Melissa Alicia did start that on this Monday. So, she'll be working under the wing of Jackie and picking those skills up while she's still here till I believe the 20 22nd of May. So, >> she started this Monday or next Monday. >> This this Monday. Yep. We did the interviews last Friday. So, yep. we're going to get her in right away and make sure she's because she'll be doing payroll and things like that. Really important stuff. So, learning the new system. So, I think she's gonna do a really good job. She's also the one that has been went back to college to be an accountant and so she's really driven and it was really great to see that and this is going to work out well. Uh police has one position open that's still going to be open until the 27th, but uh they already have 30 applications for that position. So, that's really great to see. Um they also been working with the Motorola team. They've had um some of their equipment has been coming in. Um this week they're going to be doing a complete inventory um address wiring potential serving uh server issues and system anticipated to be operational hopefully by the end of the month. So that'll be good. Uh public works been busy. Uh they keep an eye on the student build house as well. That's all contained now and enclosed. They got the roof on. Got the windows in, the doors are on. Um getting heat in there. They did uh pour some of the the basement already. Um got the plumbing in there before they did that, of course. Um but now they're working on the interior work of the building. So it's coming together. Um they got a really good start on street sweeping until this snow so rudely showed up. Uh hopefully this will melt soon. They can finish that up and take care of the rest of that. Uh summer staffing is already out there. Uh they got four applications in already and six applications for the horiculturist position. Um we did have one of our public works people that turned in their resignation notice. He's going to be going to his hometown for a job there. So that position will be posted here soon. Um so we're looking forward to seeing what that'll bring in. Uh fire's been busy with uh they're doing their first live burn training for 2026. That's scheduled tomorrow out at the training center. Um they have several offers that officers that are attending leadership training in Duth this week end and uh they're doing some emergency vehicle operation training which is also taking place this weekend. Um also working with the code compliance issues addressing snow and parking and yard maintenance issues. They've created some door hangers that they can put out on there now. So a little quicker than coming back and having to type up a letter and then mailing that out. So just kind of streamlining that a little bit. Um, and the access control system. You probably seen some of the pads around. They got power to them now. They've lit up, so they're getting closer. They're still waiting on some u parts that are backorded, but uh shouldn't be too much longer. Um, community development. Uh, the Mcnite use agreement with the school is in progress for the Mcnite fields. Um, and also spending a lot of time, uh, doing cleanup day planning and we had a meeting today on that actually. So, um, really getting the fin finishing touches on it and I believe Ava put that out for it'll probably be advertised tomorrow. So, that's coming up as well. That's all I got for you. >> Thank you very much. Reports, Council Shre, >> the only report I have is that uh, parks and recreation will meet next Wednesday here at 6:30. >> Thank you very much. >> I have none of All right. Um, arts and culture met after our last uh, city council meeting. Um, and I've got nothing to add beyond what uh, the commissioners presented tonight. So, >> the next planning commission will be April 2nd. Um, come to the these chambers here to come see me and Ken and have a good time. >> There's one thing you and I had was EDA. We're going to be doing the doing the parking lot. We're going to be paving between Sidewinders and the tattoo place. So, that's was signed and uh turned in. So, they're going to get that cleaned up because we were missing a bunch of pavement in the middle there where that old office doctor's building used to be. So, that's in the plans here. It's going to be uh hopefully early summer here or late fall, late spring, excuse me. Y >> Yep. >> Does the weight restrictions come off the roads and get equipment in? >> Yep. So, we have some real competitive bids. It was actually um about 20,000 cheaper than it was when we looked at this a couple years ago. So, uh, looking forward to having that done. It's going to be striped and ready to go. We also moved the sign, um, trying to focus on if we have development involved in town or people interested. We had a great EDA meeting. We had, um, Jim Lavel, is I right? He was here kind of giving us the state of the union out there when it comes to different office buildings and different uh, different places, how development is going and things like that. So he was it was very informative about uh some of the some shocking stuff too about how much buildings have been selling for commercial buildings. It was quite an eye openener as far as that. And uh so we have our development sign moved over to um the Margaret um fur over across the street here. So that's the future development signs over there. And there's no um then we took down our public parking sign over there because we're going to have this one paved and we need to follow our own rules. So, all right. New business or uh general business, I'm sorry. >> I don't have anything to share. >> All right. I had a hiccup at the house last night. I apologize not making the historical meeting last night. >> Oh, had a uh an issue at the house. >> Okay. Well, that happens for sure. Anything new for any of you guys? >> I've got nothing. >> All right. >> Happy St. Patrick's Day. Yeah. >> If you choose to celebrate, please do responsibly. I uh have a couple things. So, it was kind of fun. I actually texted Ron and say, "Can I go out uh for plowing?" So, we had a nice big storm. So, Sunday uh Brian Fry came up. It wish we had a video camera. America's funniest video trying to watch me get into that truck was I barely made it, but I went out for a couple hours on uh on Sunday with the gang. So, Brian and I mean it it was like told my wife it was like a ballet. We were in the first truck. We they came around the corner. They grabbed what we left over. Then the next truck came along. And I just really give credit to our public works guys. They really uh really are amazing how they can take care of that. And and it's just flawless. All of a sudden we get to a corner. Here comes the other guy around the corner. I don't know how they can time it like that. It's it's it's uh it's amazing. Um the trucks themselves, I was able to see all the joysticks of course. Watched them do that. There's a temperature of what the temperature is of the road so they can do the mixture for the So the road was 31. the air temperature was 32 and just really a good time being able to ride around in that just to see what they can do. So that was a that was a fun event. Thank you for letting me uh participate in that. I >> I waited I wanted a big storm and boy that was it. >> You know, I will piggyback off that though. I do appreciate that one is after the other because I only have to shovel out my sidewalk in front of the house >> once. I don't have to wait another hour. It's about five minutes later that. So, thank you. >> Yep. >> And right turns only, too. I learned that and the route was cool. >> So, why the the trucks are those close that close together? Then we're just on our main roads. So, that's how that happens. And the reason that why is because the roads are wider. So, it would take one truck three passes to do that. So, we do that that way. So, we can couple reasons. So we can do it in just one time and take care of it like that. So we don't come back in an hour later, you know, to do that. On the side roads, um, the driver might go by like like the mayor said, we take all right turns so we don't leave any wind rows crossing roads. So that's why sometimes you'll see a truck go by and you won't see them for a half hour or 40 minutes because they're might be in an area taking all right-hand turns and then once they're done with that they come back and they take all right-hand turns again to catch the other side of the road. So I just want people to think, hey, they take care of that. >> This is where I live. I'm sorry. I live in a really good area then. >> So thank you. I appreciate you team too. So he told me now you have to correct because Brian I don't know if it's right or not but he said we got pretty much 80 linear miles of road. Does that sound right? As I was asking how much because we have a you know the our area we have >> I believe we have like 48 miles of road. So it's like double that. So if you you call it lane miles on one side and then the other. Yep. So yeah >> that's interesting. >> Alleys and sidewalks. >> Yep. Yeah. >> Well, I was watching and too I was also watching um uh Dudak Todd, I think it is. >> Yes. >> He was doing a magnificent job, too. That guy really knows how to work his equipment and he pushed it out. Then our guys were sweeping, you know, hitting it by and our downtown looked beautiful right after that. >> Yeah. I believe Todd has plowed down here. Don't quote me on this, but I I bet you it's at least 25 years. And there's not a waste in motion that that guy does that when he's down there. And >> our bucket was picking it up. It was >> Yep. If we ever if we ever, you know, we that goes out to bid every like three years, um if we ever lose him, um we'll probably have to hire two people to replace what he does. I think he can plow that with his eyes closed down there. I mean, he does a really great job down there. And it's was just like a welloiled machine. It was so fun watching all these vehicles going past each other. We were going down the main street and then the they were coming to get the sidewalk stuff and then we were going past and it was just amazing. >> Yeah, >> it was fun. Thanks. >> Yep. You're welcome. >> And I apologize. I hijacked, but I did not. Thank you guys. And truly, we are blessed as a city to have the response that you guys put out there for snow removal. Um, >> 100%. >> Yeah, we are ridiculously blessed and people don't understand that the moments that they do call you. We're we're a very fortunate city to have what we have with you guys as public. >> Thank you. We take a lot of pride in it. You know, there's a lot of planning that goes into it. you know, when we have these big storms like this, it's it's tough when they last, you know, if they're going to last for a 24-h hour period because we only have the 10 guys and just trying to break this up where we're going to have to do, you know, if we're getting uh 18 or 20 inches like they were talking about, we can't let that all go and plow that all at one time, especially this time of the year. As big as those trucks are, they won't push it. We won't be able. So, uh, thankfully we we were able to take care of this. We went around three times. I know I took many calls where people were upset. Um, but we have to go around multiple times because we just can't do it all in one one push. So, we went out at 4:00 a.m. The guys went out, plowed everything. We got done at about 10:30 in the morning. They took an hour break, ate some food, went back out again. We got done at about 6:30 that night, which was Sunday night. And then they came back in at 4 am and did it all again. So >> just to be clear, the complaints are that they had to go out and and and do the end of their drive >> shovel the end of the driveway again. >> Now I grew up in the St. Paul Midway. My buddy Mark still lives over over on Bolair. And I sent him a picture of me getting, you know, in front of the truck and I said, "This is what they call a snow plow. You've never seen one in the wild?" And he goes, "I haven't." He goes, "Can you send him to St. Paul?" Yes. So you know, I understand it when the snow is that heavy it's a lot of work to shovel. Um, but our main goal is to and the main roads usually get plowed an extra time or two than the side roads, but we do that so we can try to get people out to work. We have to the the timing of the stuff we, you know, we do our best to try to get people out or consider, you know, we don't like to be out in the middle of the day with people as much as the people don't like the plows being out there. So, I mean, there's a lot that goes into thinking about when we go out, >> the timing of it, how many times we do it. We do consider all that stuff. Um, but you know, the main goal is to keep everyone safe and get them, you know, being a letting them be able to go out and get to work or get home from work or whatever it might be. So, >> right. Well, thank you, >> Ron. Are you still expecting tonight to be a plowable event? >> Uh, yes. Um, I I got to plan on the side of caution. So, we're having the crew come in at 4:00 a.m. Uh, I know it'll be done uh sooner than it'll probably be out here. I was looking at that back during during the meeting. Um, it looks like it'll probably be done nine o'clock. It looks like maybe an inch and a half, but we'll see how it looks. The guys will come in. If we have to do something, we will. If we don't, so be it. So, >> great. >> Thank you for everything. >> Y Thanks. >> Also, I did make it to the North St. Paul Historical Society. So, um, that was a great time. All I had one guy that was talking to me that's been in North St. Paul 85 years, and the other one's been here 80 years. So I mean to all the different buildings they're like you reminded me of you when I was talking to him. They go four bu four owners back on these buildings and doctor was here above this building that was there. So it was really a great turnout too. There was a lot of people that showed up for that and it uh it's always fun going to the events historical society just a great group of people and just a lot of fun. People want to come talk about the >> the different things that have happened over the years in North St. Paul. So, that was a great event and I thank Sue and her in the group that does that. Uh, I know Elaine, I was talking to her and she said she was pretty tired. She was working on it and she does a great job. So, we're very lucky to have those guys. >> All right. Well, nothing else. I'll >> Can I add one thing? Um, I mentioned in the update with public works about losing a public works employee, but Chase Lenny has worked here for nine years and uh, he's been a great employee. He's been dedicated. They're a close-knit group down there. So, it's tough when they lose somebody, but uh he just had a better offer there closer to home and stuff, but I just want to thank him for his years of service here and the good job he's done. >> That's great. >> So, thank you. >> All right. Appreciate that. We appreciate all all of our employees and what they do. So, a motion to adjurnn if nothing else for April 7th is our next meeting. >> That seems a long time. >> I know. I'll make a motion. Yeah. >> All right. Council member Swear. >> Second. >> Second. >> Second. Council member Norby. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Thank you all. >> Thank you. >> Next time we come here, we're going to be in shorts. >> I would like to think that. >> Yeah. Now you've done it. Now it will be snowing.