All set. All right. Uh, welcome everybody to this planning board meeting Wednesday, December 17th. Uh, first item on our agenda is a roll call. Uh, tonight we have Mr. Beckett, we have Mr. Castello, myself, Phil Ruck, we've got Dread Macintosh, Bob Bay, we got Lisa Buck and Christa Schwinser down on the end. Uh, next up is acceptance of the agenda. >> So moved. >> Is that good? Second. Any comments? Seeing none, all those in favor? All right. Next up is approval of the minutes of August 20th, 2025 and September 17th, 2025 planning board meetings. We're going to bust these up into two because different people were absent at each meeting. So, let's take the August 20th, 2025 one first. Can I get a motion? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Very good. And who was absent? >> I was absent. >> I was absent. So, do we have a quorum uh to vote on that? >> No, August. You were there, right? >> Yeah, it was Ashley and I that were absent. >> Oh, that's I was wrong looking at the wrong one. That's September. Yeah. All right. Uh edits on that. >> Nothing. >> Nice. >> Wow. [laughter] >> Wow. This is a great start. I'm just saying. All right. Uh with no edits whatsoever, uh all those in favor. All right. Next up, uh, minutes of September 17th. And again, looking at that one, I was absent as was Lisa, Michael, and Christa. So, do we have a quorum for that one? >> One, two, three. There's four. One, two, uh, John Quinn is not here. Ashley's not here. We don't have enough. >> Oh, please. >> Push that off. We're going to table that to the next one. So, I'm trying to remember. I don't table much stuff. Uh, do we have We need a motion to table. Yeah, let's >> motion to table, please. >> So, moved. >> Second. >> All those in favor? I >> think we can all that. Good. All right. Moving on. We have one public hearing under new business this evening. It is a major site plan review application of the University of Maine authorized agent WBRC Incorporated to construct a 60,000 square foot multi-purpose use sports facility with pedestrian improvements and a new stormwater treatment gravel wetland as well as reconfiguring the existing north gym parking lot and a portion of the existing track and field around the exterior of the football field at 168 uh College Avenue. This is a portion of text map 11 lot 77 in the university zoning district. So how we've done this in the past uh our previous planner has moved on from us and the protocol previously was that Isabelle would do a fairly detailed presentation. The applicant would add to that. Uh Isabelle's not here. So >> I'm going to do I'm going to do a short one. Get through it quick. um allow WBRC and Toby to fill in any gaps that are there. Got it. But I I was able to put some stuff together. So, I figured that would be the easiest way to go. So, >> works for me. >> It was the same kind of the same. I know I'm nothing like Isabelle. So, >> bear with us. And I think details Toby is going to be able to to give you the answers [clears throat] to those. So, if you have questions about that, I would, you know, um and and I may even say in this section, I think Toby will provide a little bit more in-depth stuff. So, if that makes sense, that's works for me. >> Okay. Um, I got to put those back on and share my screen. This is probably the most difficult part is just sharing my screen. Um, here. All right. There we go. Um, so, um, Morsena major site plan application. Um uh as the chair had said this is applicant as University of Maine from WBRC major site plan review Morse arena and with this as well as a gravel wetland that's a pro uh approximately 42,000 square ft on a different part and we can talk about that a little bit different in the university zone. Uh the parcel of the portion of it is about one uh.84 acres. Um that is the site plan. It is in your packets and I can bring it up later if people are looking for it. Um so basically if with the planners report this kind of mimics that um lighting there is exterior lighting planned for the plaza and walkway areas and all the fixtures uh regulated by the ordinance will be downcast and shield just like they're supposed to be. Um issue two is trees and natural resources. Um the proposal is within a developed area of the site already. Um there are no wetlands or significant natural areas in the project area. Um three trees were proposed to be removed that this planning board had talked about in the last project with the alphon that were going to stay. Um and in fact in the original one we had a conversation about that and I said you're removing three trees. Can we add three trees back in because I don't see them anywhere. And in the second when I got everything, as you'll see below this, there are lots of trees, lots of bushes being added back in. So, um, very happy about that. That also would be removing the the island that those trees were in. So, as you can see, there's um, and in your plans um, also there's those trees and shrubs and a significant amount of um, stuff that they're adding. Um, traffic access and parking. Um the access would would come through mainly college a via long road but also internally um obviously there are a number of ways to get onto campus. Um the circulation associated with more arena would be similar to the way it is now. As I mentioned before they're going to remove the um that little island and kind of use the the circle at at um Alon Arena will be kind of the front corner of that entrance and then Long Road is going to go right along there. They're actually moving it over a little bit and narrowing it to make it uh not so wide. Um and hopings to clean up some of the challenges that are that are there now. Um the uh so this is actually relocating existing use. They used to use the memorial gym which they will no longer use. And if you remember a while back they all the all they played all their games at Cross Insurance Center. Um and then they came back to campus. Um but they will not be using that and they're moving it to this location which they feel like the road system can handle it because it's really just moving that use. Um current condition where where the um arena is actually being placed is the north lot portion and if it's kind of the closest to the football field before you get to Long Road that will be removed. It's about 149 spaces. Um, the proposed removes those spaces, but it there is 164 unused spaces over in the satellite lot and 48 new spaces of the soccer lot that came in which replace those basically uh they offset that 49 loss as well. When you think about the university, you think about the whole property. So, it's not just right next to it. Um, there is other parking on campus and and lots of it in other places. And I do know currently that they are using um the the uh CCBA lots on the other side um and shuttling people to hockey games currently. So they are working with that. Um the drainage, storm water erosion control. Um there'll be a slight increase in impervious area from pre-development to postdevelopment. They're going to get new drains, new catch basins, storm pipes that are being added and then they will go into the um collection system that's associated with the Shaun Walsh Hockey Center and Alphon Arena. The proposed gravel wetland is actually treating um the runoff from the Alon way football stadium in the satellite parking lot. Um there wasn't enough room to put that sort of thing with the infrastructure there. And so they have this is this portion is not the portion that is being done, but they really wanted to be able to treat that. And I think Toby can talk a little bit more to this gravel wetland, which is uh really pretty good thing for treating the water coming off site um in general. Um there is a there's a suggested condition about erosion control um that we typically have in there. So, um that is that um water, sewer, and utilities. It's currently um served by public water and sewer. >> Um the uh just like all of campus on this side, these may seem familiar. Uh water's provided through the existing on-ampus water uh main running along Long Road, water district's main line on College A. There's a letter in your packet that there's um adequate potable water to service this. Same with sewer. Um there's a letter in there from the sewer department that talks about that as well. The proposed arena will have fire suppression and there is a uh condition of approval around the fire suppression system going to the fire department for there. Uh the applicant is proposing underground electricity where wherever uh feasible and um and that is that um there's no real uh no formal waiverss necessary. There are some submission requirements that are not really applicable in there. The one main one that I wanted to call out is the uh sub the submission item related to storm water maintenance agreement. They have one um in place already. It asks that you have, you know, that you get one. They have one in place. I've just, uh, staff is proposing that that be a condition that they provide that cuz that was not in that packet. Um, recommended conditions are your standard conditions 1 through five. Um, and then the the unique conditions were around a the fire suppression system in the arena be approved by fire department prior to a a permit. Um the issuance of would be that we need a copy of the current maintenance agreement for storm water and the um we need an a copy of the approved amends amended slow permit which includes the gravel wetland um before a building burn. Um that was fast but I'm through it. So >> nice work. [laughter] I I would ask um Toby from WBRC uh to come up and I will stop sharing. [snorts] Thank you, Mitch. Um you might not be Isabelle, but you did a really good job. So, thank you. >> Um as as Mitch said, I'm Toby Mish with WBRC um representing this project. I don't like to get into to the weeds too much and get into too much detail because I could stay here all night long and talk about all of this stuff because it's just so interesting. Um, but I know that you guys probably want to get home to your family at some point tonight. So, I'll try to do um a little bit more detail on what uh Mitch talked about um on certain areas specifically like uh storm water um just to expand on that a little bit. Um, but I I really want to answer any questions that the board might have. Um, so the project is a a 2,651 seat, 60,000t arena um to be the new home of the men's and women's basketball teams. Um, as you as Mitch stated, they play in the Memorial Gym right now in the pit. Um, if anyone's seen a game there, it's really cool. It's It's definitely dated with really tiny seats, but it's uh it's amazing um at the time, but it's time for something new. Um they have played uh at the Cross Insurance Center, but now they've moved back on campus and they need something permanent. Um the as Mitch said, the um the water wastewater are are public. Um and we have letters of capacity um from both entities. Um the the site does have to have a site location of development amendment to their permit and we've been through that process with the D. Um it hasn't been finalized yet, but we've been told that we can expect a permit um any day now. Um so the I just want to show So for anyone that can see this, this is the campus as a whole. This is Can you still hear me if I'm >> Okay. This is the This is the football field, the old track. There is a new track that's been that's almost done. Um, as well as a new soccer field and the new Morse arena is going to go over this parking lot as well as a as the removal of this track and this portion of the track and field. Uh the gravel wetland is actually on the other side of College Avenue and it's treating storm water from this area as opposed to storm water from this area which drains to a different outfall from the campus which is on the other side. Um so by doing this we're able to treat areas that have uh a higher pollutant ranking um than a new building um which is which is preferred by the DP. So we um we designed the gravel wetland to to go here to collect this storm water um as Mitch said from the satellite lot alway um in in that area um instead of the storm that's coming from more serena. We did provide the storm calculations for the 25-year storm for the Morserina project area itself just to show that there's no increase in peak runoff. Um, regarding uh traffic and pedestrian long road is when you when you come up over from College Avenue, it's about 30 ft wide. There's no pedestrian walkways. I think there's some painted uh crosswalk on on the left side as you're driving towards the the gym. Um but it's not safe by any means. Um so this so this project proposes to narrow long road to 24 ft. And what that's going to do is help to naturally slow vehicles down. Um, we're also curbing both sides and we're going to have um an esplanade and a and a larger walkway closer to Mors arena which is going to give um people a place to walk where they don't have that right now. And regarding uh parking there is the university is always constantly um looking for ways to improve its parking, adjust its parking. They do uh parking counts um every year and they keep track and they will alternate um what parking is being used by you know commuters versus uh dormitories um residents but uh but but there's there's a constant ongoing um use by the university in that aspect. Um there was also I I found this interesting so I'll I'll pass it on. There's a there's a um a traffic movement permit that is underway um by the university with the help of Sebago Technics and um they uh they they actually did traffic counts and they did a traffic count for a when the men's hockey game was sold out and they found the traffic from that was less than their normal daily traffic. um to and from the campus from the from the student uses. So, it it is true that there there is some parking that is going to be taken away, but there's other parking adjacent areas. Um and there is like uh Mitch said, they shuttle um spectators to and from Alond. Uh I'm I'm an alum from UMain and I can tell you I've never had an issue parking there. There's always tons of parking. So, um, but, um, I'd be more than happy to answer any questions from from the public, from anyone on the board. >> Great. Uh, thank you, Toby. Uh, couple things before we open the public hearing, Toby. So, and I want the board to remember that we've had some similar discussions for the the ALOND uh, improvements a little while back. So, remember traffic was a pretty big issue uh, for for that that project as well. and we had this discussion and as I was reviewing the materials I just recalled that again we don't have to assume that the parking for projects like this at the university need to be right beside a facility you know again I just reminded people on that discussion because it might save us a little bit of effort uh in review I just want you to recall the conversations we had and that there is a lot of parking uh at the university campus So, just keep that in mind. There were concerns from the public. You recall the last time questioning the traffic study that the university submitted, but at the end of the day, there's a lot of parking. They're reconfiguring, but just wanted people to remind that or have some context uh for this. So, uh, that said, Toby, you mentioned, uh, pedestrian safety, and I saw that in the review packet that that's one of the focal points of this is to improve like walkability in that area as well. >> Yep. >> Uh, and I think you just mentioned the esplanade, the curb, those things would ped uh, protect uh, pedestrian traffic in and around more. So, >> yep. Do you need to expand on that or is that >> I No, I I think that's it. We we have crosswalks and detectable warning strips and um we uh it's it that esplanade I believe is 10 feet wide with a with the walkway being 15 ft wide and so it's a nice wide area that's away from the moving vehicles which they don't have right now. Anyone that walks up Long Road is um there there's no barrier in between. >> Correct. >> All right. Thank you. Any any questions? Uh Toby on traffic parking? Yeah, >> just a just a general question. Is is parking an issue for the planning board? >> We Yeah, this is a good question. Uh so parking is definitely one of our review criteria and normally with projects like new projects there's certain number of parking spaces per square foot of uh structure and I don't remember what all bedroom yeah well there's per bedroom for residential stuff but for commercial or maybe institutional I think there must be some ratio in in our >> Yeah for the use there is typically a some >> right >> for the >> for [snorts] the use there's a you know a chart of of how that works as how much that is it is >> complicated I don't know if that's the word to look for but the university because of how they use their parking and how it is there right >> my understanding of this review is that you're looking at the university as a whole and not just the Morse the proposed Morse facility independently >> that they would have to provide that right next to the building, I think. >> Yes. >> Yep. My understanding is that we we look at it as a whole. So, long answer to your question, but yes, we look at parking, but >> we're not looking at just that facility. Other questions? >> Is satellite parking the steam plant? Is that >> No, that's a that's a separate part parking lot. The satellite lot is the um >> Yeah, >> it's this lot right here. >> Oh, I see. Which is pre-existed. >> Yep. >> I see. >> And with this, so this is like half the capacity of Alondant, right? Is now around 5,000. >> Uh we're losing net 100 parking spaces. And is there I mean the only time I think it'd be an issue is if you you have a basketball game and a hockey game at the same time. >> And the university has stated that they will not have them both at the same time. >> The other thing I would add to that is that they are very I want to coordinated because of staffing issues. >> They don't have enough staff to actually operate multiple multiple large events at the same time. Sure. >> Um so it's very coordinated. If you look at their schedule now, there hockey goes on, there is not basketball at the same time. And usually it's like weekdays and Sundays, afternoon games on Saturdays, but if there's a Saturday game, even with basketball now, um it's not on the hockeyy's away. I mean, there having done this in a previous life, you have limited staff and you can't put multiple things at the same time because you just don't have enough people to to manage it. So um but I that's just an added thing there that I I know that that has been a practice. >> I had one other question. Uh so Megan Hess I our assistant director of public works pointed out that I guess when we did the the alon improvements that um college a was there was some erosion issues. Did you read that letter from Megan? >> I didn't actually just called out that you know we need to make sure they keep college a clean during construction better better than they did during the previous project. So, I know we have one of our caveats, one of our requirements that you need to put in proper erosion control. I don't know if I don't have the context of what this is like. Do we feel like we're good enough here with this >> requirement? Do you mind if I add a little bit to that? Um, I I don't want to talk out of order, but this past year, the main D has made the main construction main construction general permit um required for every project. Um, and not only that, but it's the contractor that has to pull the permit or the person that's responsible for the erosion and sedimentation control uh oversight. So, they're now on the hook for that and it's it's being more enforced than it used to be. >> Okay. I I would also say locally one of the other conditions is is the pre-construction meeting which I've been in many and we talk very specifically about this one issue because for whatever reason no matter what happens if there is dirt in the road we get phone calls it and it does and sometimes we get them from D right away. So I think somebody from D lives in orno because it drives through and we get phone calls. We're very much on that and I think um uh Megan does inspections of the erosion control as part of that construction. So during it she will go and make sure that those erosion control measures and are in place following them and that sort of thing too. So >> and public works is going to be at that pre-construction meeting. So in theory they'll be like >> yep >> do better. Okay. >> Yep. >> I'm done. >> Yep. Uh question on storm water. So it's it's interesting to have a project like this. We don't typically see this. So again, storm water treatment, they're looking at it as a whole similar, you know, like parking. So we can't really review the storm water for this project specifically, but a very interesting approach in treating some of the areas uh that don't have any treatment >> that don't have treatment >> prior to discharge. So, interesting uh situation, but I saw you have all no matter where the site is, we're getting copies of all the storm water inspections and all those kinds of things. Yeah. Good. >> Uh are there any issues? The slight increase in impervious, but you said that the current area, the current outfall is just going to manage that. Were there any proposed improvements for that outfall? Do you anticipate any changes? >> No, we we've actually when we did Alond, we prepared for this. We knew that this was probably going to come. So, we we upgraded some of the piping with Alon specifically for this project. >> Okay. Any other questions? >> Yep. >> If Crossland Hall is uh demolished, how many parking spaces does that add? And is that is that part of this picture? >> I I have no I'm sorry. That's not part of my project. Yep. Uh yeah, I've read about that in the paper, but the project that we're reviewing tonight uh doesn't propose any of those uh improvements. >> That's not relevant. >> Yep. Exactly. We can't consider that this evening. Other questions? >> Yeah. I I live in the area and walk my dog over there all the time and the last construction project with the Alon was really noisy. I'm assuming that they stayed within the noise uh restrictions, but I'm just pointing out that as a neighbor it was pretty noisy. >> Must have hours of >> Yeah. So, um but I think I think actually that's one of the um the standing conditions that you guys have. Uh and that's an enforcement issue on our side. We do also talk through those rules during um during the pre-construction meeting and that sort of thing. Um certainly anybody that has concerns about noise can can call the code office and we we can check to make sure that they're working within the right um levels. >> Thanks. >> Other questions before we open it up? >> All right. going to open up the public hearing and please uh step up to the mic if you have uh concerns or proponents opponents. Don't be shy now. All right, I'm going to leave it open for uh another minute or two. Uh any further discussion? I mean, seems like a a nice improvement for the the basketball teams at at having I've been a basketball fan for ages. [snorts] >> Nobody online here. So, >> all right. Nobody online. Last call. All right. Close the public hearing. Uh I believe we are ready for a motion. We do have proposed findings of fact. Uh the conditions the proposed conditions haven't changed. We didn't add any. So, I'm not sure that we need any amendments to the proposed findings of fact, but uh considering that >> I I also have a question about whether I'm technically in a butter. I didn't receive anything, but I live on Kell Street, which is literally across the street. >> It's 500 ft. >> Yeah. >> 500. Okay. >> I don't know. I don't know how far you are, but 500 feet is the >> Yeah, probably not. Open. >> All right. Someone want to take a stab at it? >> Is it written out somewhere? >> Is I can do it or someone else wants to go for it. You got it. >> Uh I move to approve the site plan application of the University of Lane authorized agent WVC dated October 22nd, 2025 to complete the proposed new Morris Arena be located over an existing parking lot as well as a portion of the existing track area south of the football field. The approximate project area of the new Morris Arena is 168,250 ft. And the approximate project area of the new gravel wetland is 42,000 ft with the physical address being North Gym parking lot on a portion of tax map 11 lot 77 and tax map 11-2 lot 77. Project location shown on the aerial image below which you're not going to see with my words. Part of the findings of fact dated December 17, 2035 and subject to the following conditions. Do we need to read the extra conditions? No. No conditions. We don't write read those anymore. Correct. >> Um, no, I don't think so. >> I think you could probably say the conditions as >> propo as proposed. >> That's what it says. Subject to the following conditions, which are the seven outlined, eight outlined. Yep, >> that'll work. Thank you, Judge. Uh, >> any comments or can I get a second on that, too? >> I'll second that. Okay. >> Any comments on that? All those in favor. >> All right, moving on. Next up, we have the town planner report. Mitch, what do you have for us? >> Well, I have you gathered here. Um, obviously, we've had some transition. Um EJ Roach, our new planning and economic development um manager who is here tonight um is been hired to and his role is really going to be um you know managing this the planning board, bringing things to the planning board um and you know doing those sorts of things. We got we're we're training we're doing lots of different things to try to bring people up to speed. Um it's a little different because in the past we've had somebody that is a classically trained planner. Um but we're EJ's working through uh learning this process and getting stuff in front of you that are following the ordinances. Um so wanted to talk a little bit briefly uh about obviously there's an exhaustive thing that Isabelle has done in the past and I just did it and it's exhausted. Now, I think if I did it every day that [laughter] that would make it easier for me. I'm quite I'm I guess I'm opening this as a question to you folks as to how much information do you need or is the way that is happening do you like this? Is it too much information, too little information? Is there a different I guess I'm opening up to some questions about what you want to see? because we're looking at how do we do this in this department of code enforcement uh and and planning. We've got three new people. Maddie is the expert at 6 months and it goes down to 3 weeks EJ. So, you know, we're we're learning and we're looking at different ways to do things and become more efficient. So, um, trying to open this up to a conversation, um, but want need to give you the things you need to make make the decisions you want to make. >> Are you asking about the review memo or the presentation? >> Any of it. What what I just want to remind the board is historically and those of you that have been on the board for a while, our process would be for applicants to present the project to us and through Evan Rickert and then through Kyle and subsequent planners uh we would have them fill in the gaps. So I yeah the burden was on the applicant to present the project. We'd ask for additional information from staff uh to fill in any gaps, identify anything that might have been missed. Yeah. >> In the applicant presentation and then we would ask questions of the applicant and town staff and open it up to public hearing. Isabelle's preference, if you recall, we had an uh a workshop or something a while back, was that she would summarize the uh projects and the applicants really didn't have to do a lot. She was extremely thorough, but things had changed. And when Mitch had mentioned in his email that EJ would be uh working with us now, I was wondering whether it might make sense to go back uh to the previous method where the applicant presents their project and town staff would supplement that presentation. Uh so again, as Mitch said, I I had the the same thought. It it's quite a burden on staff. uh and Isabelle was very good at that to prepare those presentations. But in my opinion, I I think that burden should be back on the applicants. But >> so that's all we're talking about is just specifically that one >> preparation. Y >> just the just the presentation piece, >> I believe. So yeah, I mean you're still going to we need the planners report. That was one of the the best changes that we had >> and all the gate having to read everything in and all that stays. Okay. >> All right. >> We're good with that. I mean, I think I think it's just working through and and I don't know that it once, to be fair, once you've done this, what I did tonight, >> once the planners reports written, that's pretty much straight from the presentation becomes pretty much straight from that. >> Redundant. Yeah, it's redundant in a lot of ways. Yep. >> Yeah. I've you know I've been in Toby's shoes on the other side of the deis and uh typically the applicant has that burden of presentation and that that's what I'm used to and I didn't I you know certainly didn't mind what what Isabelle did. She's very thorough but that that's quite a quite a burden. >> Yep. >> So thoughts on that John? What do what do you think? I it was it was make it made our life a little easier but >> I think it was a bit overwhelming for us. >> Okay, Michael, >> would we still expect the staff recommendation and then the proposal >> pre-drafted? >> Yeah, we can we can do that because I think that's a y >> part of the challenge for you is now we've got to create this on the fly. So we don't have a problem getting proposed >> it eliminates the risk of us >> leaving something out or not getting it. >> That makes sense to me. Yeah. >> Yes. J. >> Uh, yeah. I I I I'm on board. >> Okay. Well, I' I'd want to know what EJ thinks about this. >> Yeah, it's I'm fine with it. >> And Christa, >> I I like the idea of the um person who is making the proposal, asking us to do things, doing the presentation. Somehow when the um planner presents all of that, it feels like there's a a filter put in between. >> Good, good point. I I agree. I just I think the applicant should tell us what they're proposing. town staff. Again, we we would just request EJ that you're filling in the gaps, identifying any issues that might not have been covered thoroughly enough in those presentations and that works pretty smoothly. It has for >> I I think with the proposed findings of facts and the planners report Yeah. if that it's available to the obviously be available to the applicant. They understand what you're getting and so that gives them a guide to follow to present. >> Yes. >> Um I think that's reasonable too. So >> okay, good. Uh that's that's enough feedback. Anything else? >> That's that's good. No. Um, I think uh we we appreciate one of the things I will tell you that made me feel comfortable about the fact that I had to pinch hit here was how well you guys do and and in this process of hiring somebody, I have talked to a lot of other um municipalities and have suggested that their boards are not as easy to work with as ours and you guys do a wonderful job. So, I want to publicly say that because really appreciate the way that you guys process through and and really look into these things where sometimes other boards don't do that and understand your role and I think that's important and um so really appreciate that and like I said that what made me really comfortable about being able to try to put this together in the pinch hit world. >> So, will EJ be giving us a raise then? I'm just wondering. >> Yes, you will. We're going to double your salary. >> Nice. >> That's great. like it. >> That is a great >> Oh, counselor said triple it. So, we're good. >> Nice. [laughter] On. Bring it on. >> Zero Z. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, that's um that's all I have for >> What do we have on tap? >> So, it looks like we're g um right now we might have one in January that's a homebased business. So, not a huge um lift for EJ's first one. >> So, yeah, but other than that, we don't have anything currently don't have anything else for the January. >> Uh I guess I might as well just give an update >> interject for the planner, but we had the uh council public hearing on a comprehensive plan >> on Monday night. Um I provided a comment uh kind of echoing some of the concerns of the committee uh about making sure that the plan would be uh taken seriously and implemented by the council as remember those discussions. So uh I've got some assurances that the council will be you know figuring out a process to uh >> measure it. >> Yeah. to measure it to make sure that because again my my thought was and you participated in the one the last time I'm not sure that there was an understanding from the public of some of the successes that we were able to achieve from that comprehensive plan. So I encourage the the council to be able to measure it and so that the public understands, you know, changes that have been made, improvements, new policies, what have you that this was based off the comp plan, so we don't have that same issue 10 years down the road. So I I would just add to that um the way that we are looking at this staff-wise and and kind of that implementation a lot of there's a lot of heavy lifting around ordinance changes when with a comp plan and um obviously this is all subject to budget approval by our council. Um but one of the things that we are looking for is this would not be EJ trying to do this. we would probably hire a consultant to to work through rewrites and things like that to to do that on the side. So, we were having somebody um like an Isabelle type person that could could walk us through that because it's ex exhaustive when you when you're looking at that. So, trying to do that and do other things can sometimes be a challenge. So, we're our goal is to try to focus on how do we implement this? What are the what are the perfect next steps and how do we get this going? um like it happened last year and I think you would know better cuz you were here when it happened. But I think typically in the first few years there's a lot of work that's going into how do we arrange all this and plan what are the steps and kind of as it gets longer you you accomplish more up the front than you do towards the end because towards the end it's looking at things that were in there they still applicable today. Are they still you know we didn't get to it because it wasn't a priority then do they still happen? I know we are as a staff are prepared to look at this and work with the council and and the the community to to institute this and implement it the way that so it doesn't just sit there. >> Isabelle wanted a whole rewrite if I recall. >> Yes, that is that is pretty much what's in there. And the other thing that's happened statewide is the state has come out with a lot of new ordinances around land use and housing and things like that that we've got to integrate into this. So, um, and you all know that the minute you change one ordinance, you probably end up changing three others because they're all tied together in some way, shape, or form. So really, you need to take a holistic look when you're looking at land use ordinances is how that all fits together and and it needs to be done in a kind of orderly way. So, um it's a it's a big lift, but that's what it's all about and and um we're excited about the opportunity to look at what the community has has created and and move it forward. So, >> good. Any questions for Mitch? >> All right. Uh next up is adjournment. I get a motion. >> So moved. Second. >> Very good. Further discussion. I do have one comment. Happy holidays everybody. >> Cool. >> We'll see you in January. >> How are you on? >> All right. All those in favor?