>> Mayor Guajardo: GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER AND WELCOME Y'ALL TO CITY HALL AND OUR BEAUTIFUL COUNCIL CHAMBERS. THIS MORNING OUR INVOCATION WILL BE GIVEN BY PASTOR RICK MILBY WITH CORPUS CHRISTI CROSS PROJECT. >> GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME TODAY. KING SOLOMON WAS KING DAVID'S SON, AND HE BUILT THE FIRST TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM. AND IT WAS A LONG PROCESS. HIS SON WANTED TO BUILD THE TEMPLE BUT GOD SAID NO BECAUSE HE WAS A MAN OF BLOOD, BUT HE ALLOWED HIS SON TO BUILD IT, SOLOMON. WHEN HE FINALLY BUILT IT AND DEDICATED IT, HE PRAYS A GREAT PRAYER IN THE SIXTH CHAPTER OF 2 CHRONICLES. AND HE GIVES GOD THANKS FOR HIS BLESSING UPON THE PEOPLE. AND GOD COMES BACK IN THE NEXT CHAPTER AND HE ANSWERS SOLOMON AT PRAYER. MOST PEOPLE CAN QUOTE THE SCRIPTURE THAT I'M GOING TO USE. BUT MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THE SCRIPTURE BEFORE THAT SCRIPTURE. THIS IS WHAT IT SAYS: THEN THE LORD SAID TO SOLOMON THAT NIGHT, I HAVE HEARD YOUR PRAYER AND HAVE CHOSEN THIS PLACE FOR MYSELF AS THE HOUSE OF SACRIFICE. LISTEN TO THIS VERSE. WHEN I SHUT UP THE HEAVENS AND THERE IS NO RAIN OR I COMMAND THE LOCUST TO DEVOUR THE LAND AND SEND PESTILENCE AMONG THE PEOPLE. IF MY PEOPLE WHO ARE CALLED BY MY NAME WILL HUMBLE THEMSELVES AND PRAY AND SEEK MY FACE AND TURN FROM THEIR WICKED WAYS, THEN WILL I HEAR FROM HEAVEN AND WILL FORGIVE THEIR SIN AND HEAL THEIR LAND. I WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU -- I HAVE A FORMULA FOR RAIN THAT WE NEED. ENCOURAGE YOU TO CALL A PROCLAMATION TO ASK OUR CITIZENS TO FAST AND PRAY FOR PRAYER, FOR RAIN. GOD SAID DO IT. MANY TIMES IN SCRIPTURE GOD CLOSED UP THE HEAVENS AND SENT PESTILENCE AND WHEN THE PEOPLE REPENTED, HE GAVE THE RAIN. A GROUP OF PASTORS GATHERED OVER IN ROBSTOWN AT THEIR CITY HALL LAST WEEK AND PRAYED FOR RAIN. LOOK WHAT HAPPENED THIS LAST WEEK. AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO PRAY AND WE NEED TO ASK OUR CITIZENS TO PRAY. NOT JUST PRAY BUT REPENT. I DIDN'T GO DOWN THERE BUT I SAW THE PROTEST ON SATURDAY AND THERE WERE VULGARITIES AND GESTURES MADE FROM BOTH SIDES. AND I WAS SO ASHAMED. AND IT HURT ME, GRIEVED MY HEART. POPULATION IN CHURCH ATTENDANCE HAS DROPPED IN THE LAST 15 YEARS. PEOPLE HAVE GONE AWAY FROM CHURCH. IT WASN'T BECAUSE OF COVID, EVEN BEFORE COVID. WE NEED GOD BACK IN OUR COUNTRY AND GOD'S FAVOR FOR OUR CITY. I'M GOING TO PRAY A PRAYER OF REPENTANCE FOR US TODAY. I ASK YOU TO JOIN WITH ME AND ENCOURAGE YOU TO MAKE A PROCLAMATION FOR OUR CITY AND ASK OUR CITIZENS TO DO THE SAME. FATHER, HOW GRATEFUL WE ARE FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF CALLING UPON YOUR NAME. AND WE THANK YOU, LORD FOR YOUR WORD. IT GIVES US CLEAR INSTRUCTION OF WHAT TO DO IN TIMES OF CRISIS AND NEED. AND, FATHER, I JUST PRAY THAT YOU WOULD BLESS THIS COUNCIL. I PRAY THAT YOU WOULD GIVE THEM WISDOM IN ALL THAT THEY DO, IN EVERY PROCEEDING THEY HAVE, FOR ALL OF OUR CITY OFFICIALS, FOR ALL THE EMPLOYEES OF OUR CITY, GOD BLESS THEM AND PROTECT THEM. WE ALSO RECOGNIZE, LORD, THAT WE'RE A NATION OF SIN AND WE NEED YOUR BLESSINGS AND WE NEED YOUR HELP. AND YOU'VE GIVEN US THE FORMULA, LORD, THAT YOU MIGHT OPEN THE HEAVENS AND GIVE US RAIN IN OUR WATERSHED. I ASK IN JESUS' NAME THAT YOU WOULD FORGIVE US OF OUR SIN. GOD, THAT YOU WOULD HELP US TO REPENT AND TURN FROM OUR WICKED WAYS AND TO LIVE LIVES THAT ARE PLEASING BEFORE YOU. HELP US TO LIVE WITH HONOR THE NAME THAT WE CARRY, THE BODY OF CHRIST, IN CORPUS CHRISTI. GOD, I PRAY, FATHER, THAT YOU WOULD HELP THE CITIZENS OF THIS CITY TO HEAR THIS CALL AND TO OBEY. IN JESUS' NAME, AMEN. >> Mayor Guajardo: AMEN. THANK YOU, PASTOR. AND OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES FLAG AND TO THE TEXAS STATE FLAG WILL BE LED BY A GENTLEMAN NAMED HUDSON DAVIS. HE IS A FOURTH-GRADER AT WINDSOR PARK ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND HE IS AN HONOR ROLL, PERFECT ATTENDANCE STUDENT. >> PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] PLEASE JOIN ME IN HONORING THE TEXAS FLAG. [HONORING THE TEXAS FLAG] >> Mayor Guajardo: HUDSON, THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. OKAY. MS. HUERTA, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? [ROLL CALL] >> City Secretary: MAYOR AND COUNCIL, A QUORUM OF THE COUNCIL AND THE REQUIRED CHARTER OFFICERS ARE PRESENT TO CONDUCT THE MEETING. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU, MS. HUERTA. WE'LL MOVE ON TO SECTION E. THAT IS CITY MANAGER'S COMMENTS AND UPDATES ON CITY OPERATIONS. MR. ZANONI. >> Zanoni: GREAT. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. WE HAVE TWO ITEMS ON THE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT. THE FIRST ONE WILL BE RELATIVELY BRIEF. I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF A PLANNING TOOL THAT WE USE TO HELP SET THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDAS. AND THEN DREW MOLLY WILL GIVE OUR WEEKLY WATER UPDATE ON ALTERNATIVE WATER SOURCES THAT WE'RE ALL EMBARKING ON. SO THE FIRST ONE IS AN OVERVIEW OF A FORECAST PLANNING TOOL THAT WE USE. WE SHARED THIS WITH THE LAST COUNCIL AND SO GIVEN THAT WE HAVE SEVERAL NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS, IT DAWNED ON US THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE REVIEWED THIS DOCUMENT WITH YOU. AND SO I WANT TO DO THAT TODAY. SO THIS DOCUMENT IS PREPARED WEEKLY AND SOMETIMES WE LOOK AT IT A COUPLE OF TIMES A WEEK TO FINALLY HAVE IT FINALIZED FOR THAT WEEK. IT'S ALSO E-MAILED TO THE COUNCIL, BOTH MONDAYS WHEN THE DRAFT AGENDA GOES OUT, AND THEN AGAIN ON FRIDAY WHEN THE FINAL AGENDA GOES OUT. THE TOOL HELPS US SET THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDAS. WHAT IT IS, IT HAS A THREE-MONTH OUTLOOK. WE'RE LOOKING AHEAD THREE MONTHS AND STRATEGICALLY THE TEAMS, NOT JUST THE CITY MANAGER, THE TEAM IS TRYING TO BALANCE COUNCIL MEETINGS SO THAT EACH MEETING DOESN'T HAVE TOO MANY HIGH-ENERGY, HIGH-POLICY ISSUES THAT TAKE TIME AND FOCUS. AND ALSO MAKE SURE THERE'S NOT TOO MANY ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, WHETHER THE BRIEFINGS, CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS, OR HIGH-PROFILE ITEMS. IT HAS A THREE-MONTH OUTLOOK. WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT. AND TO UTILIZE THIS DOCUMENT, TO KIND OF SEE WHAT'S COMING IN THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING OR THE NEXT MONTH OR A THIRD MONTH OUT, IT CAN BE USED FOR PERSONAL PURPOSES, IF YOU'RE PLANNING A BUSINESS TRIP AND YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT AM I GOING TO MISS, YOU CAN USE IT FOR THAT PURPOSE AS WELL. ESSENTIALLY, IT HELPS US TO PREPARE THE COUNCIL MEETINGS SO THEY'RE MOST EFFICIENT FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO ON THIS SCREEN HERE, WE HAVE OUTLINED SOME OF THE KEYS OF THE DOCUMENT, IF YOU WILL. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A LEGEND IN IT BUT YOU CAN SEE THE ITEM ON THE LEFT, THAT NUMBER ONE HIGH PROFILE. THOSE ITEMS ON THE DOCUMENT ARE GENERALLY FOR THE HIGH-PROFILE ONES. WE ALSO DISTINGUISH THEM IN COLOR, PUTTING THEM IN RED. SO WHEN YOU SEE THOSE ITEMS, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE THE BIG POLICY ISSUES FOR THE CITY COUNCIL, TIME CONSUMING ISSUES, MAYBE ISSUES THAT WE'VE WORKED FOR WEEKS AND WEEKS OR MONTHS AND MONTHS WITH THE COUNCIL ON. THEN YOU CAN SEE A BIG PART OF THE DOCUMENT IS THE REGULAR CONSENT. AND SO THIS ISN'T THE ENTIRE CONSENT AGENDA BUT ONES THAT ARE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT, PROBABLY HIGH-PROFILE CONTRACTS, HIGH-VOLUME CONTRACTS. WE LIST OUT NOT EVERY CONSENT AGENDA ITEM BUT THE ONES THAT WE WANT TO PAY ATTENTION TO OR LET THE COUNCIL BE ALERTED TO. AND THEN IN THAT LIST, THE THIRD THING IS BRIEFINGS. SO YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THIS EXAMPLE THERE'S THREE BRIEFINGS. WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED THE BRIEFING NUMBER ONE, TWO, THREE. AND THEN, FINALLY, THE FOURTH THING WE LIST IS EXECUTIVE SESSIONS. HERE YOU CAN SEE THERE'S SEVERAL EXECUTIVE SESSIONS THAT WE'LL HAVE IN THIS EXAMPLE. SO THIS PAGE, THIS FORMAT YOU WOULD SEE, SOMETIMES IT'S THREE, FOUR, FIVE PAGES OF MEETING BY MEETING. USUALLY WE CAN FIT ONE MEETING ON A PAGE AND HALF OF ANOTHER ONE, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE. SO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, CITY SECRETARY, AND THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND THE CITY MANAGER STAFF AND ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THE AGENDA HELP TO DESIGN THIS FORECAST TOOL. AND IT IS AS MUCH FOR US AS IT IS FOR YOU AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO TAKE SOME TIME THIS MORNING TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND IT SO YOU CAN UTILIZE IT. ON THIS NEXT SLIDE HERE, WE CAN SEE THAT NOT ONLY DOES THE AGENDA MATERIAL APPEAR, BUT WE ALSO PUT OTHER BIG SPECIAL EVENTS ON THE DOCUMENT. WE COLOR CODE THEM SO THEY'RE DISTINGUISHED FROM THE BLACK AND WHITE THAT YOU SAW ON THE PRIOR PAGE. IN THIS CASE HERE WE HAVE BUDGET WORKSHOPS THAT WILL BE COMING UP SOON. THOSE ARE THE ONES IN ORANGE. WE ALSO LIST THINGS LIKE COMMUNITY INPUT MEETINGS, WHETHER IT'S FOR THE BUDGET OR COULD BE FOR A PLANNING EXERCISE, LIKE A COMMUNITY PLAN. AND THEN WE ALSO LIST OTHER MAJOR SPECIAL EVENTS JUST SO THE CITY COUNCIL CAN BE AWARE. OFTEN THESE EVENTS YOU'RE GOING TO. IN THIS CASE WE LISTED THE STATE OF THE COUNTY ADDRESS. AND SO THAT'S ON THE CALENDAR. WE KNOW THERE'S MANY, MANY MORE CALENDAR EVENTS BUT WE DON'T WANT TO OVERPOPULATE THIS DOCUMENT SO WE DO LIST THE ONES THAT ARE MOST SIGNIFICANT TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND ONES YOU PROBABLY WANT TO GO TO. FINALLY, IN THE LAST PAGE, WE HAVE FUTURE ITEMS. THOSE ARE ONES THAT THEY MAY NOT BE COMPLETELY FLESHED OUT OR WE KNOW EXACTLY WHEN WE'RE GOING TO BRING THEM TO COUNCIL BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO LIST THEM HERE. THE COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY HAVE ASKED FOR SOME OF THIS MATERIAL SO IT SHOWS YOU WE'RE WORKING ON IT. AND WE THINK WE'LL BE BRINGING IT TO COUNCIL IN A PARTICULAR QUARTER. SO THIS ONE HERE, THE EXAMPLE IS QUARTER THREE FOR '25, WE'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING SOME REZONINGS FOR THE SUNRISE MALL. TIRZ NO. 6 IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE SOME ADDITIONAL ONES LISTED FOR THE FOURTH QUARTER. SO THAT IS THE -- JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW. AGAIN, WE SHARED THIS -- WE WENT OVER THIS WITH THE PRIOR COUNCIL. AND THIS DOCUMENT HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE I HAVE BEEN HERE. WE CREATED IT PROBABLY SIX YEARS AGO OR SO. BUT WE HAVE REFINED IT AND WE SHARE IT WITH COUNCIL. WE DIDN'T ALWAYS, BUT THE LAST COUNCIL SAID CAN YOU SEND US THAT, COUNCILMAN BARRERA DID, SO WE COULD SEE WHAT WAS COMING UP IN THE FORECAST. WE WERE GLAD TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S A TOOL FOR YOU AS WELL. AGAIN, THIS IS E-MAILED TO YOU FROM ELISA SILVA. WHEN SHE E-MAILS YOU THE DRAFT AGENDA FIRST ON MONDAY AND THEN AGAIN ON FRIDAY WHEN THAT FINAL AGENDA IS SENT TO YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS HAS A QUESTION. >> Campos: I JUST WANTED TO JUST MAKE A BRIEF STATEMENT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT BRIEFING. AND I REALIZE LAST WEEK WE DID HAVE A FULL AGENDA BUT THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER TIMES WHERE WE HAVE HAD 30-SOMETHING PLUS AGENDA ITEMS. AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, TO PULL THROUGH. AGAIN, THERE'S SOMETIMES WHERE WE GET AGENDA ITEMS AT THE LAST MINUTE, AS YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU ARE TRYING TO DO YOUR BEST NOT TO DO THAT ANYMORE. BUT, AGAIN, I THINK WE'RE ADULTS HERE AND WE KNOW THAT WE SIGNED UP FOR A JOB. EVEN THOUGH IT MAY NOT SEEM AS SOME OF THESE OTHER AGENDA ITEMS MAY SEEM TRIVIAL TO SOME, BUT IF WE, AT LEAST THREE OF US FEEL THAT WE NEED TO PLACE AN AGENDA ITEM ON OUR AGENDA, I THINK WE SHOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING THAT. AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT. THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT WAS I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE SHOWED UP LAST MEETING REGARDING THE HILLCREST ZONING. AND THAT WAS SENT, I BELIEVE BY THE PLANNING, IT WAS THEIR AGENDA ITEM. I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT'S ON HERE NOW, BUT THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, VICE VERSA. WE NEED TO BE ACCURATE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WITH OUR COMMUNITY. SO, AGAIN, THEY SENT ME THE TEXT SHOWING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD SET UP FOR THIS MEETING AND THAT'S WHY EVERYBODY SHOWED UP. >> Zanoni: YES, COUNCILWOMAN. TWO THINGS. LET'S START WITH THE HILLCREST. I'M NOT SURE WHO SAID WHAT AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION BUT, YOU'RE RIGHT. THERE WAS SOME MISUNDERSTANDING GENERATED SOMEHOW. BUT SINCE YOU'VE BROUGHT IT UP, THE PORT OF CORPUS CHRISTI, WHO IS THE APPLICANT, IS ACTUALLY REQUESTING TO DELAY THIS ITEM COMING TO COUNCIL. IT WAS PLANNED FOR NEXT WEEK, AND A MEMO WILL BE GOING OUT TODAY, WE HAVE A DRAFT READY. SO THEY WANT ANOTHER -- I THINK IT'S ALMOST 30, 45 DAYS. . THEY'RE GOING TO WORK WITH THE HILLCREST COMMUNITY. THEY'RE THE APPLICANT, NOT THE CITY, FOR THIS PROPERTY. THEY'RE REQUESTING THAT IT COME IN JULY. SO WE'LL SEND THAT MEMO TO COUNCIL AND TO THE HILLCREST COMMUNITY AS WELL. WE KNOW MANY OF THE LEADERS THERE, BOTH FAITH BASED AND OTHERWISE. REGARDING THE AGENDA, ONE THING THAT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE IS THAT THIS LEGISLATURE, THE LEGISLATURE THAT JUST CONCLUDED, PASSED A BILL THAT WILL BECOME EFFECTIVE JUNE 22. THAT REQUIRES CITIES AND OTHERS THAT POST AGENDAS TO POST THEM, NOT JUST THREE DAYS, BUT THREE BUSINESS DAYS PRIOR TO THE MEETING. SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE HAVE A PROCESS THAT WE HAVE BEEN PRETTY MUCH GEARING UP TO HAVE THE AGENDA DONE ON MONDAYS. THAT DRAFT AGENDA THAT WE SEND OUT TO THE COUNCIL, WE DON'T LIKE TO ADD THINGS ON THE FRIDAY. SOMETIMES WE DO, WHETHER IT'S A THREE-SIGNATURE MEMO FROM COUNCIL OR SOMETHING THAT WE ADD, BUT OUR NEW PROGRAM TO MEET THE STATE LAW, I THINK THAT TAKES EFFECT SEPTEMBER 1, IF THE GOVERNOR LETS IT GO THROUGH. THE MONDAY POSTING IS THE FINAL POSTING. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ONE MONDAY AND THEN COME BACK AND DO ONE ON WEDNESDAY, WHICH WOULD BE WEDNESDAY OR THURSDAY, THREE BUSINESS DAYS. SO SOON, PROBABLY, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, BEGINNING IN AUGUST, OUR AGENDA MATERIALS THAT WE SEND OUT ON MONDAY WILL BE THE FINAL AGENDA. BUT FOR THAT NEXT TUESDAY. TODAY THE CITY COUNCIL CHANGE THAT WE MADE SIX YEARS AGO DID GIVE YOU A DRAFT AGENDA TO READ SEVEN DAYS IN ADVANCE OF THE COUNCIL MEETING. NOW, WITHIN A FEW WEEKS, YOU'LL GET THE FINAL AGENDA WITH NO MORE CHANGES ON THE MONDAY. THAT'S IN PART BECAUSE OF THE STATE LAW. >> Campos: WELL, GOOD. ALL RIGHT. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY, PETER. THANK YOU. >> Zanoni: WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DREW COME UP. I THINK WE HAVE TIME FOR A QUICK UPDATE. IT'S NOT AS LENGTHY AS LAST WEEK'S BUT DREW IS GOING TO GIVE US AN UPDATE ON OUR ALTERNATIVE WATER PROJECTS. THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE MEMO THAT WE SEND EVERY FRIDAY AS WELL TO THE COUNCIL AND COMMUNITIES. DREW. >> YES, SIR. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR, COUNCIL. PLEASURE TO BE HERE TODAY. AS PETER DESCRIBED, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A QUICK UPDATE ON THE SITUATION WITH OUR WATER SUPPLY. I WILL SAY THAT THE PASTOR MADE SOME NICE STATEMENTS AND WE SAW SOME FRUITION IN THE WATERSHED. WE SAW QUITE A BIT OF RAIN. FROM JUNE 13 TO THE 16th OUR WESTERN SUPPLIES SAW ABOUT 5 TO 6 INCHES OF RAIN IN VARIOUS SPOTS. THAT ACTUALLY TRANSLATED INTO SOME MEANINGFUL INCREASES IN OUR WATER RESERVOIRS. OUR COMBINED LAKE LEVELS ON THE WESTERN SUPPLIES INCREASED FROM 14.7% LAST WEEK TO 15.4%. IT DOES TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME. WE HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS, WHAT'S IT LOOKING LIKE? ARE WE SEEING SOME BENEFITS IN TERMS OF HOW THE RESERVOIRS ARE RESPONDING? IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF TIME BECAUSE THE WATERSHED IS QUITE LARGE AND IT TAKES TIME FOR THE TRIBUTARIES AND CREEKS TO CONVEY THAT WATER ULTIMATELY. THE BIGGEST WINNER WAS LAKE CORPUS CHRISTI, NOT SO MUCH CHOKE CANYON. IT CONTINUES TO STRUGGLE TO GET THAT WATER INTO IT. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WAS INTERESTING IS THERE WAS -- AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE, WE GET A LOT OF VIDEOS, PEOPLE SEND VIDEOS, THEY LIVE ALONG THE WATERSHED AND THEY SEND US VIDEOS OF THE WATER GOING INTO THE CREEKS AND TRIBUTARIES. ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID RECOGNIZE AT CHOKE CANYON AROUND 10:00, THERE WAS SO MUCH WATER COMING IN ON THE ATASCOSA, THE NUECES, AND THE FRIO, THAT IT CREATED A TAILWATER EFFECT. IT WAS ALMOST LIKE A TRAFFIC JAM TRYING TO GET TO THAT POINT IN THREE RIVERS. YOU HAVE THREE RIVERS CONVERGING INTO ONE. IT STARTED BACKING UP AND WE ENDED UP HAVING TO CLOSE THE GATES ON CHOKE CANYON BECAUSE THERE WAS A TRAFFIC JAM. SO I ASKED THE TEAM, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THAT HAPPENED WHERE WE ACTUALLY HAD TO CLOSE THE GATES ON CHOKE CANYON? AND IT WAS BACK IN APRIL OF 2023. THIS ISN'T A DROUGHT BUSTER. IT'S NOT GOING TO TAKE US OUT OF STAGE 3 BUT WHAT IT IS, IT DOES SHOW THAT THERE IS SOME MEANINGFUL RAIN THAT'S FALLING. AND WE JUST NEED TO KEEP THAT GOING. WE NEED TO KEEP GETTING MORE AND MORE RAIN. I THINK IT PROBABLY HELPED A LITTLE BIT THAT WE GOT SOME RAIN THE WEEK BEFORE. THE GROUND WASN'T AS PARCHED AND SO WHEN IT HIT THAT GROUND, IT WASN'T GOING INTO IT, IT WAS RUNNING OFF OF IT. THAT WAS A HOME RUN FOR ALL OF US. THE EASTERN SUPPLIES 10 INCHES OF RAIN AROUND VICTORIA. IT TRANSLATED TO LAKE TEXANA FILLING UP. LAVACA RIVER AUTHORITY SAID THE INTERRUPTIBLE WATER SUPPLY, THEY OFFERED US THE 4500-ACRE FEET FROM LAVACA. WE'RE GOING TO PUT THAT TO GOOD USE. THIS IS AN UPDATE ON ALL THE THINGS THAT CORPUS CHRISTI WATER IS WORKING ON. THERE'S A LOT. A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON. SO WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY THE MOU THAT WE'RE WORKING ON WITH SOUTH TEXAS WATER AUTHORITY. WE ARE WORKING THROUGH THAT. WE ARE WORKING WITH GENERAL MANAGER MARES AND HIS TEAM TO GET THAT AGREEMENT IN PLACE. WE ALSO HAVE THE NUECES RIVER GROUNDWATER WELL PROJECT, WHICH CONTINUES TO GO WELL IN TERMS OF THE DETAILS ON IT. SO WE MET WITH TCEQ LAST WEEK WHEN I WAS HERE TALKING ABOUT THE PROJECT, THE FOLLOWING DAY WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING WITH TCEQ. WE HAD THAT. THE AGENCY DECLARED THAT OUR PERMIT WAS ADMINISTRATIVELY COMPLETE AND SO THINGS ARE MOVING WELL IN THAT RESPECT. WE DO HAVE A FOLLOW-UP MEETING WITH TCEQ THIS FRIDAY. AND IT'S BASICALLY BECAUSE WHAT'S HAPPENED IS WHILE IT'S BEEN ADMINISTRATIVELY COMPLETE, WE HAVE TO SUBMIT THE PERMIT TO GET THE ACTUAL BED AND BANKS PERMIT. THEY HAVE GIVEN US AN OKAY TO RELEASE WATER INTO THE RIVER NOW. WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO DO THAT NOW BECAUSE WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF RAIN AND SO THERE REALLY IS NO NEED TO DO THAT. BUT WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO ALL THE DOWNSTREAM USERS OF WATER ON THE NUECES RIVER, SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF FOLKS BESIDES JUST US THAT TAKE WATER OUT OF THE RIVER. OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE O.N. STEVENS WATER TREATMENT PLANT THAT WE USE THAT WATER SUPPLY TO TAKE OUT TO TREAT AT O.N. STEVENS. BUT THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER USERS THAT TAKE THAT WATER. WE'VE REACHED OUT TO THEM. WE'VE EXPLAINED TO THEM THAT THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT AND THAT THERE WILL BE A TIME AND PLACE, WE'RE NOT QUITE SURE WHEN YET, WHERE WE WILL START RELEASING SOME AMOUNT OF WATER INTO THE RIVER. THE WELL INSTALLATION PROJECT THAT WE HAVE CONTINUES TO GO VERY WELL. WE HAVE TWO CONTRACTORS THAT ARE WORKING AROUND THE CLOCK AND THEY ARE CONTINUING TO DRILL WELLS. WE HAVE -- WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A TOTAL OF EIGHT WELLS DRILLED BY THE END OF AUGUST AND THAT WILL BE BASICALLY EQUIVALENT TO PRODUCING ABOUT 13 TO 15 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE, OF COURSE, THE EVANGELINE GROUNDWATER PROJECT. WE MET WITH THEM LAST WEDNESDAY, JUNE 11th, I BELIEVE IT WAS. AND WE ARE CONTINUING TO WORK IN TERMS OF DEVELOPING THAT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS ON OUR LIST TO DO IS THE VALUATION. WE'VE GOT A SPECIALTY FIRM THAT SPECIALIZES IN DOING VALUATIONS, AND SO THEY HAVE GIVEN US A TIME-FRAME OF FOUR TO FIVE WEEKS TO FINISH THAT VALUATION EFFORT. WE'VE ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME MEETING. SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET INTO OR WE ARE INTO A ROUTINE WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO MEET WITH ALL OF THESE PARTIES AND WE'RE DOING THAT NEXT WEEK. SO WE'RE PLANNING ON HAVING A MEETING WITH THEM NEXT WEEK TO GIVE THEM AN UPDATE AND FIND OUT WHERE THEY STAND. AND WITH THAT SAID, THAT KIND OF TAKES US THROUGH THE LIST OF PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE GOING ON. HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON. >> Paxson: DREW, THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION. IT WAS A LOT OF GREAT INFORMATION. I KNOW WE ALL PROBABLY HEAR FROM EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY. WE'VE GOT RAIN. WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FOR US? THANK YOU FOR BEING AVAILABLE FOR THAT. I WAS CURIOUS, IF YOU COULD PERHAPS EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT WHEN YOU SAY THAT YOU KIND OF CLOSED THAT GATE OR CLOSED THAT DOOR BECAUSE OF THE CONVERGENCE OF THREE RIVERS. COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHAT IS TAKING PLACE THERE WHEN YOU CLOSE THAT? >> Molly: RIGHT. SO PROBABLY THE EASIEST WAY TO DESCRIBE IT IS KIND OF LIKE THE THREE HIGHWAYS COMING INTO THE ONE SINGLE HIGHWAY. BASICALLY IT'S THE NUECES RIVER THAT TAKES OUR WATER ALL THE WAY FROM CHOKE CANYON TO LAKE CORPUS CHRISTI. AND RIGHT THERE AT THE THREE RIVERS INTERSECTION YOU HAVE THE NUECES RIVER CONNECTING TO THE FRIO CONNECTING TO THE ATASCOSA. THERE'S A LOT OF WATER THAT CAN FIND ITSELF IN THAT LOCATION. THERE WAS A LOT OF WATER THAT FELL, ESPECIALLY IN THE ATASCOSA SIDE. THERE WAS A LOT OF WATER THAT FELL ON THAT SIDE OF OUR WATERSHED. AS THAT WATER STARTED MEETING WITH THOSE TWO OTHER WATER SUPPLIES, THAT LOCATION WHERE THEY ALL MEET IS CLOSE TO CHOKE CANYON, SO THAT WATER STARTED BACKING UP AND STARTED INUNDATING THAT AREA. THERE WAS REALLY NO REASON TO KEEP WATER COMING OUT OF CHOKE CANYON, RELEASING WATER OUT OF CHOKE CANYON, WHEN THERE WAS THAT MUCH WATER ON THE SIDE OF THE SPILLWAY. IT'S AN OPERATIONAL PARAMETER. WE HAVE FOLKS THAT WORK THERE 24/7 AND THAT WAS JUST A NORMAL OPERATIONAL PROCEDURE TO CLOSE THE GATES, JUST TO KIND OF LET THAT WATER DO WHAT IT DOES, WHICH IS WORK ITS WAY DOWNSTREAM AND MEANDER ITS WAY DOWN TO LAKE CORPUS CHRISTI. >> Paxson: THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE. I WAS CURIOUS ON THAT ONE BUT THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. >> Molly: ABSOLUTELY. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS. >> Campos: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'M SO GLAD THAT WE HAVE BEEN RECEIVING RAIN. AND ON A WEEKLY BASIS, IT SEEMS LIKE. SO, HELLO, COULD WE KEEP IT UP, UNIVERSE? OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO FIND OUT, OR IF YOU COULD, GIVE US AN UPDATE. THANK GOD THAT WE'VE BEEN GETTING RAIN. BUT IN THE PAST, WE'VE HAD, LIKE, PEOPLE HAVE COME UP AND HAVE SENT ME MESSAGES SAYING THERE HAS BEEN SOME POACHING IN THE WATER. WHAT ARE WE DOING ABOUT THOSE KINDS OF SCENARIOS? ARE WE FOLLOWING UP WITH THEM OR WHO DOES THAT? >> Molly: YES, MA'AM. SO, COUNCILWOMAN, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY HAD, IN OUR MEETING WITH TCEQ LAST WEEK, WE MENTION THAT HAD TO THEM. WE TOLD THEM -- AND THIS IS THE REGIONAL OFFICE. THE REGIONAL OFFICE LEADERSHIP TEAM. WE MENTIONED TO THEM THAT THERE HAS BEEN SOME POACHING, IF YOU WILL, PEOPLE WHO ARE TAKING WATER THAT THEY SHOULDN'T BE TAKING. I'VE GOTTEN SOME PICTURES OF THAT. AND SO WE HAVE FORWARDED ALL THAT TO THE WATER MASTER. THE WATER MASTER WORKS FOR THE TCEQ. WHEN WE MENTIONED THAT CONCERN OF OURS LAST WEEK, THEY WERE AWARE OF THAT AND THEY TAKE ALL THOSE VERY SERIOUSLY. SO THEY WERE AWARE OF IT AND THEY SAID AS WE SEE THESE KINDS OF THINGS HAPPENING TO PLEASE LET THEM KNOW. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. I KNOW IT'S FRUSTRATING AT TIMES BECAUSE FRANKLY, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, I WOULD LIKE TO GO OUT THERE AND TAKE MATTERS INTO YOUR OWN HANDS, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. WE LET THE TCEQ TAKE CARE OF THAT. WE JUST NEED TO BE VIGILANT SO WHEN PEOPLE SEE THESE KINDS OF THINGS HAPPENING, WE NEED TO LET CCW KNOW, LET TCEQ KNOW SO THEY CAN TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTIONS. >> Campos: SO THAT'S IT? WE DON'T HAVE ANY FOLLOW-UP, AS FAR AS JUST REPORTING IT AND IT'S UP TO TCEQ. THEY DON'T REPORT BACK TO YOU SAYING THIS IS WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS CASE OR THAT CASE. HOW DO Y'ALL -- >> Molly: ESTEBAN RAMOS USED TO WORK AS A WATER MASTER, SO MAYBE HE CAN SHED SOME LIGHT. >> MY NAME IS ESTEBAN RAMOS, I WAS THE WATER MASTER IN CHARGE. THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION. I TALKED TO THE TCEQ, THE WATER MASTER. SHE SENT OUT AN INVESTIGATOR, A DEPUTY, THEY FOLLOWED THEIR PROCEDURES. IT WAS A DOMESTIC AND LIVESTOCK PUMP SUPPOSEDLY THAT THE INVESTIGATOR FOUND. AND SO WE TALKED TO THEM. THEY REMOVED THE PUMP. MY TEAM OUT THERE AT CHOKE CANYON CONTINUES TO MONITOR THE LOCATION. WE WORK CLOSELY WITH THAT PARTICULAR LANDOWNER THAT ARE ACROSS THE RIVER FROM THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION WHERE WE RECEIVED INQUIRIES ABOUT. SO WE'RE CONTINUING TO MONITOR THAT. AGAIN, ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF HAVING EMPLOYEES OUT LIVING IN THE COMMUNITY IS A LOT OF THIS IS A TALK AMONGST THEMSELVES, THE LANDOWNERS. WE UTILIZE THE RESOURCES BOTH INVESTIGATELY, MEANING WE GO OUT, LOOK AT DIFFERENT CROSSINGS, AND WE TALK TO INDIVIDUALS AND PEOPLE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY TO SEE WHAT THEY ARE HEARING. SO MY TEAM IS DOING THAT ON A DAILY, WEEKLY BASIS. THEY REPORT TO ME. AND THEN IF WE SEE ANYTHING, WE'LL REPORT THAT TO THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY. WE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH ANY INVESTIGATIVE OR INQUIRIES THEY HAVE FOR US. >> Campos: THIS LAST ONE YOU MENTIONED WAS FOR LIVESTOCK? AND THAT IS PERMISSIBLE? >> THAT IS PERMISSIBLE. UNDER THE STATE LAW, DOMESTIC AND LIVESTOCK IS A RIGHT, EVEN TO MUNICIPAL, INDUSTRIAL, IT IS A SUPERIOR RIGHT TO EVERYTHING. SO THAT IS WHAT THE INVESTIGATION FROM THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY FOUND. WE CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE SITUATION AND WE'LL KEEP THEM TO THAT. >> Campos: ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT REPORT. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, ESTEBAN. COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN. >> Vaughn: MINE ARE PRETTY QUICK. I WANT TO THANK PASTOR MILLBY FOR THAT PRAYER. I DO BELIEVE GOD ANSWERS PRAYER AND WHEN WE PRAY FOR RAIN, WE GET IT. HE'S BEEN SO FAITHFUL TO GIVE IT TO US. THANK YOU FOR THAT PRAYER. THE BED AND BANKS PERMIT FOR THE RIVER, IS THAT A TEMPORARY PERMIT AND YOU HAVE TO KEEP APPLYING? >> Molly: IT IS. IT'S A TEMPORARY PERMIT. IT'S A THREE-YEAR PERMIT. >> Vaughn: AND THIS IS REALLY A TEMPORARY -- >> Molly: THIS IS A SHORT-TERM FIX. >> Vaughn: OKAY. THE MOU FOR SOUTH TEXAS WATER, WE REQUESTED IT IN TEN DAYS. ARE WE ON TARGET? >> Molly: WE'RE WORKING. WORKING. >> Vaughn: I FIGURED IT UP. IT'S JUNE 23 AND I DIDN'T COUNT THE WEEKENDS. I GAVE YOU THE WORKING DAYS. JUNE 23. WE'RE GOING TO HOLD YOU TO IT, DREW. >> Molly: OKAY. >> Vaughn: ON THE GARVER STUDY, I APPRECIATE ALL THE THINGS WE HAVE GOING ON. Y'ALL HAVE WORKED SO HARD, EVERYBODY HAS, TO TRY TO GET THESE SOURCES. YOU LOOK REALLY TIRED TODAY. >> Molly: I FEEL IT. >> Vaughn: THAT WASN'T AN INSULT BUT I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING HARD. SO HAS THE CITY MANAGER. IS THE GARSTUDY LOOKING AT REUSE AT ALL? >> Molly: THE REUSE IS GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME. IT'S NOT A QUICK PROJECT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE IT AS FAST AS WE CAN BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO DO IS WE HAVE TO DO A SOURCE WATER CHARACTERIZATION STUDY. IT'S ESSENTIALLY A 12-MONTH CHARACTERIZATION STUDY THAT HAS TO HAPPEN AND THAT'S FOR US TO BASICALLY DETERMINE WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THAT EFFLUENT. NOW, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE HAVE ADDED TO THIS, SO THERE ARE SOME EVALUATIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. THERE'S SOME -- SO ESSENTIALLY THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WE MAY HAVE AND GARVER IS GOING TO LOOK AT THOSE OPTIONS. WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT THAT BACK TO COUNCIL SO COUNCIL IS VERY CLEAR WHAT THE DIRECTION IS WE WANT TO GO. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE CAN DO WITH REUSE. ONE OF THEM, FRANKLY, IS YOU CAN TAKE EFFLUENT AND YOU CAN TREAT IT TO THE HIGHEST STANDARDS. AND THEN YOU CAN BASICALLY DISCHARGE IT RIGHT BACK INTO THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM. THAT'S ONE OPTION. EL PASO IS DOING THAT TODAY. THERE'S ALSO OTHER OPTIONS THAT WE CAN EXPLORE THAT WE WILL EXPLORE WHICH IS MORE ALONG THE LINES OF INDIRECT REUSE, INDIRECT POTABLE REUSE, WHICH WOULD BE TAKING EFFLUENT FROM A WASTEWATER PLANT AND CONVEYING IT TO ANOTHER LOCATION. ONE SUGGESTION WAS PUT IT BACK IN THE NUECES RIVER AND THEN HAVE IT BE A SOURCE OF WATER FOR O.N. STEVENS. BUT THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW IS WORKING THROUGH THOSE. >> Vaughn: OKAY. SO THE PLANTS, WE COULD USE IT FOR THE PLANTS, CORRECT? ALL OF THESE. >> Molly: CORRECT. >> Vaughn: HAVE Y'ALL ENGAGED THEM AT ALL? >> Molly: THERE'S ACTUALLY CONVERSATION -- I WOULD SAY MORE THAN JUST CONVERSATION. THERE'S SOME SLEEVES BEING ROLLED UP AND ONE PARTICULAR OPPORTUNITY, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS BEING EXPLORED AS WE SPEAK. >> Vaughn: EVANGELINE IS MY LAST ONE. I SEE YOU'RE GOING TO DO A HYDROGEOLOGIST -- I GOT IT -- STUDY. THEY HAD PREVIOUSLY DONE ONE. WE DON'T WANT TO ACCEPT THEIRS BECAUSE WASN'T STEVE YOUNG THE ONE WE USED FOR THE RIVER, HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE ONE OF THE BEST AROUND HERE. >> Molly: HE IS. WE HAVE A LOT OF CONFIDENCE IN MR. STEVE YOUNG. SHE'S VERY GOOD AT WHAT HE DOES. OUR COUNCIL HAS ADVISED US THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DO OUR OWN, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE OUR OWN REPRESENTATION. AND THAT WE DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE. THAT IS WHAT WAS RECOMMENDED TO US. SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT. >> Vaughn: OKAY. THE LAST THING, APPRAISING THE VALUE. IT'S GOING TO TAKE FOUR TO FIVE WEEKS. GOVERNMENT IS SO FREAKING SLOW, WE KNOW THEY ARE. REALLY, FOUR TO FIVE WEEKS? >> Molly: THIS IS A NICHE AREA COUNCILWOMAN. I WILL TELL YOU THERE ARE NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DO THIS. FRANKLY, IT TOOK US A LITTLE BIT OF WORK JUST TO FIND SOMEBODY WHO DOES THIS KIND OF SPECIALTY WORK. AND SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF FOLKS OUT THERE THAT DO IT. WE FOUND SOMEBODY THAT DOES IT AND THIS IS THE TIME-FRAME THAT THEY GAVE US. >> Vaughn: OKAY. WELL, I'M HOPING YOU CAN MOVE A LITTLE FASTER, MR. ZANONI. BUT, ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR WHAT Y'ALL ARE DOING. >> Molly: THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN CANTU. >> Cantu: TWO QUICK QUESTIONS. YOU TOLD COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN ON THE MOU IN SOUTH TEXAS, YOU'RE WORKING ON IT. HOW MUCH LONGER DO YOU THINK YOU GUYS WILL HAVE SOMETHING? >> Molly: I'LL TELL YOU, COUNCILMAN, I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT TIME-FRAME. WE'RE WORKING. THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO IT. AND WE'VE JUST GOT A TEAM BEHIND US THAT IS PUTTING THE DETAILS TOGETHER. SO I JUST COULDN'T COMMIT TO YOU EXACTLY WHEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT. BUT WE'RE WORKING ON IT. >> Cantu: OKAY. AND WHAT'S AN UPDATE ON THE FAR FIELD STUDY? >> Molly: I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD QUESTION FOR A LITTLE LATER IN THE PRESENTATION. WE'LL HAVE THAT UPDATE. >> Zanoni: BRETT'S GOING TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT IT IN JULY, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. THE CONSULTANT WHO DID IT WILL BE HERE TO PRESENT TO COUNCIL IN JULY. >> Cantu: SOUNDS GOOD. >> Mayor Guajardo: REBECCA, DO WE HAVE THE PUBLIC COMMENT? SHE DOES? SO WE'RE -- THANK YOU, DREW. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE UPDATE. WE APPRECIATE IT. SO AS EVERYONE KNOWS, WE HANDLE SIGNIFICANT MATTERS CONCERNING TAXPAYER DOLLARS IN OUR MEETING, MAKING IT IMPERATIVE THAT WE UPHOLD THE HIGHEST STANDARDS OF DECORUM. OUR CORE PRINCIPLES OF OPENNESS, TRANSPARENCY, AND INCLUSIVENESS GUIDE OUR ACTIONS AND WE AIM TO ACHIEVE THEM WHILE RESPECTING OUR CITY COUNCIL POLICY, WHICH HAS BEEN IN PLACE 30 YEARS. PUBLIC COMMENT SERVES AS ONE AVENUE FOR COMMUNICATION BUT IT'S NOT THE SOLE METHOD. YOU CAN REACH OUT TO THIS COUNCIL BY WAY OF PHONE CALLS, E-MAILS, OR IN-PERSON APPOINTMENTS. SO WITH THAT SAID, WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED TO PUBLIC COMMENT. KEEPING IN MIND THE IMPORTANCE OF DECORUM AND ADHERENCE TO THE POLICY. AND BEFORE I BEGIN, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK OUR CITY ATTORNEY, MR. RISLEY, TO REVIEW THE COUNCIL MEETING RULES OF DECORUM. [RULES OF DECORUM] >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MR. RISLEY. >> [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Guajardo: YES, COUNCILWOMAN. >> Campos: I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. AT WHAT POINT IS IT -- I GUESS THE MAYOR'S RESPONSIBILITY TO INTERRUPT THE SPEAKER WHEN IT'S NOT A CITY -- >> Mayor Guajardo: RELATED? IT'S BETWEEN MYSELF, MR. RISLEY, REBECCA. >> Campos: I WAS JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE I WOULD THINK AT LEAST MIDPOINT YOU GET THAT'S NOT CITY RELATED AND IT'S TIME TO -- >> Risley: ANY CITY COUNCILMEMBER HAS THE RIGHT TO BRING UP, TO OBJECT TO A VIOLATION OF DECORUM AT ANY TIME. >> Campos: I DID NOT REALIZE THAT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. >> Mayor Guajardo: IS THAT CORRECT? >> [OFF MIC] >> Zanoni: IT'S THE FIRST I HEARD OF THAT. >> Mayor Guajardo: ME TOO. >> Zanoni: THE MAYOR IS THE PRESIDING PERSON OVER THE MEETING BUT MILES IS SAYING A COUNCIL MEMBER CAN OBJECT AND THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO COME TO THE MAYOR ABOUT THE STATEMENT. >> Risley: THE MAYOR DECIDES AS THE PRESIDING OFFICER BUT MY COUNCIL MEMBER MAY OBJECT TO AN APPARENT RULE VIOLATION OF A RULE OF DECORUM. >> Mayor Guajardo: INDIVIDUALS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN ORDER THEY SIGNED UP ELECTRONICALLY AND WE WILL HEAR IN-PERSON COMMENTS FOLLOWED BY VIRTUAL PUBLIC COMMENTS. RESIDENTS OF CORPUS CHRISTI WILL BE GIVEN PRIORITY OVER NON-RESIDENTS. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND THE CITY IN WHICH YOU LIVE BEFORE BEGINNING YOUR COMMENTS. YOU HAVE TWO OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AN AGENDA ITEM OR CITY-RELATED BUSINESS. FIRST IS AT ITS PRESENT TIME AND SECOND WOULD BE WHEN WE ACTUALLY HEAR THE ITEM. PLEASE SELECT ONE OPTION. CITIZEN COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES WHILE NON-RESIDENT COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO ONE MINUTE. A TIMER WILL ASSIST IN MANAGING THE ALLOTTED TIME. IF YOU HAVE A PETITION OR ANY RELEVANT INFORMATION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH US, IF YOU'LL PLEASE SHARE IT WITH MS. HUERTA FIRST AND SHE'LL PASS IT OUT TO US BEFORE WE BEGIN. TODAY IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE 11 PEOPLE SIGNED UP AND WE WILL START WITH MR. STEVEN CLEPPER. >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, STEVE CLEPPER, CORPUS CHRISTI. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT ITEM NO. 6 ON THE AGENDA, WHICH HAS TO DO WITH IMPROVING THE ACCOUNTABILITY TRANSPARENCY FUNCTIONALITY OF THE CITY AUDITOR BY MAKING SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THE ORDINANCE. FOR BACKGROUND, I WAS A CERTIFIED INTERNAL AUDITOR. I WAS THE AUDIT DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY OF AUSTIN. I WAS A PERFORMANCE AUDIT MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS AND I WAS A FRAUD AND COMPLIANCE AUDITOR OUT OF THE DALLAS REGIONAL OFFICE OF JC PENNEY. LAST WEEK YOU HAD, AS YOU KNOW, A VERY SPIRITED DISCUSSION ON THIS ORDINANCE. THIS SUGGESTION. YOU HAD THE FIRST READING. AND I AM STRONGLY AGAINST -- STRONGLY IN FAVOR BECAUSE I AM IN FAVOR OF AN INDEPENDENT, AND INDEPENDENT IS KEY, OBJECTIVE, PROFESSIONAL INTERNAL AUDIT FUNCTION OF MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT. VOTING AGAINST THE CHANGE LAST WEEK FOR A FEW OF YOU. HE THREE TIMES AT LEAST SAID I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE DOING THIS. IT LOOKS LIKE A SOLUTION IN SEARCH OF A PROBLEM. WELL, THERE IS A PROBLEM. AND ONE THING -- AND PEOPLE THAT SAY THAT ARE USUALLY PEOPLE WHO ARE AGAINST CHANGE. NOT ALWAYS, BUT USUALLY. THAT THINK THINGS ARE WORKING RIGHT BUT THEY'RE NOT WORKING RIGHT. AND A LITTLE HISTORY -- WELL, TIME RUNS OUT. A LITTLE HISTORY WILL MAKE IT CLEAR. NOVEMBER OF 2010 YOU PASSED THE ORDINANCE CREATING THE INTERNAL AUDIT FUNCTION. YOU HAD YOUR FIRST AUDITOR LASTED ONLY TWO YEARS. SHE MOVED TO THE VALLEY. YOU HAD THE NEXT AUDITOR THAT LASTED FOUR OR SO YEARS, THAT WAS FIRED BY THE CITY BY THE AUDIT COMMITTEE BECAUSE IT WASN'T OFFICIALLY KNOWN SHE WAS DOING AUDITS THAT THE CITY MANAGER DIDN'T REALLY LIKE. THE THIRD AUDITOR, AS YOU KNOW, WAS UNQUALIFIED. AND NOW WE'RE LUCKY TO HAVE MR. GEORGE HOLLAND, WHO IS QUALIFIED. HE IS THE MOST QUALIFIED THAT YOU'VE HAD. THE CITY AUDITOR FUNCTION, I WAS HERE AND HELPED WRITE THE ORDINANCE. IT'S NOT PERFECT. IT'S BASED ON THE GAE. GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILITY OFFICE, WHICH HAS A LOT OF INFORMATION AND REQUIREMENTS FOR INDEPENDENCE AND OBJECTIVITY. AND IN MY OPINION SOME OF THOSE STANDARDS HAVE BEEN VIOLATED BY THE CURRENT AUDIT COMMITTEE. SO ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS NOTHING I CAN PROVE, JUST MY OBSERVATIONS. AND I HAVE SEEN EVERY SINGLE AUDITOR, I HAVE KNOWN THEM ALL AND I'VE WATCHED SEVERAL OF THE AUDIT COMMITTEES. SO I URGE COUNCIL TO VOTE YES ON THE ORDINANCE. THIS ORDINANCE WILL HELP MAKE THAT AUDIT FUNCTION, AN AUDIT FUNCTION FOR THE ENTIRE COUNCIL, NOT JUST A COUPLE PEOPLE ON THE AUDIT COMMITTEE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MR. CLEPPER. CLINT MIRACLE. >> CLINT MIRACLE, CORPUS CHRISTI. I BELIEVE IN FAIR BUSINESS PRACTICES. HATE MONOPOLIES ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE SEEMS TO BE CORRUPTION. I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH A MARATHON IN CORPUS CHRISTI. I DO HAVE ISSUES WITH CITY OFFICIALS APPROACHING RACE DIRECTORS ON BEHALF OF A LOCAL BUSINESS AND SOLICITING THEIR SERVICES DURING CITY WORKING HOURS. I'M AWARE OF A MARATHON LATE THIS YEAR, THE ROUTE WILL BE COSTLY. WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR THIS? TAXPAYERS? THE PUBLIC DESERVES TO KNOW THE PROPOSED ROUTE, WHICH MAY AFFECT COMMUTES, AND ALL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT. I AM RACE DIRECTING A RUN/WALK SEPTEMBER 1 CALLED THE PERMITS DEPARTMENT, CHECKED ON THE AVAILABILITY, BLOCKED THE COLE PARK LOCATION, DATE, TIME, AND COMPLETED THE PRELIMINARY PERMIT. MAY 21, CONFIRMED THEY RECEIVED. MAY 28, CALLED TWO TO THREE TIMES, NO ANSWER. SO LEFT VOICE MAIL STATING I ASSUME ALL IS GOOD SINCE NO CALL BACK. MAY 29, OPEN REGISTRATION AND POSTED. MAY 30, A MARATHON RACE IS ANNOUNCED BEFORE REGISTRATION WAS SET UP WITHOUT COURSE MAP AND FEW DETAILS. DO THEY HAVE SPECIAL PRIVILEGES TO RUN THROUGHOUT THE CITY BY NEW BRIDGE, UPTOWN, DOWNTOWN, ALL ALONG THE BAY, AND ELSEWHERE FOR SIX HOURS? WHY? JUNE 2, CALLED SEVERAL TIMES. STILL NO ANSWER OR RETURN CALL. JUNE 3, CALLED. THEY ANSWERED TELLING ME THEY'RE PUSHING ALL RUNS OUT OF COLE PARK BECAUSE NOT ENOUGH PARKING. ODD, GIVEN ANTICIPATED NUMBER OF ENTRANTS FOR A MIND WITH PLENTY OF PARKING VERSUS ANOTHER RACE, SAME LOCATION, THE WEEKEND BEFORE WITH FOOD AND LIVE MUSIC POSTED TWO DAYS LATER BUT TIMED BY ANOTHER BUSINESS. WILL IT HAVE LOTS OF PARKING? A FRIEND WITH A TIMING BUSINESS WANTS ME TO WORK FOR HIM AND HAS TWO TIMERS IN TOWN. ARE RACES ORGANIZED BEING HINDERED? >> Risley: MAYOR, THERE WAS A QUESTION THERE. QUESTIONS ARE IMPROPER. >> Mayor Guajardo: GO AHEAD, MR. MIRACLE. >> ARE THE SAME PERKS AND FINANCIAL BENEFITS FROM THE CITY AVAILABLE? FAIR IS FAIR BUT NOT AT TAXPAYER'S EXPENSE. I CAN NAME NAMES AND THE BUSINESS I'M REFERRING TO IF NEEDED. I'M DOING WHAT'S RIGHT BY COMING HERE. I EXPECT THE CITY TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT BY CORRECTING THIS IMMEDIATELY. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MR. MIRACLE. PETER, CAN WE PLEASE HAVE SOMEONE SPEAK WITH THE GENTLEMAN? >> Zanoni: YEAH. I THINK OUR PARKS DIRECTOR IS LISTENING. >> Mayor Guajardo: GREAT. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ. >> Hernandez: YEAH, PETER. I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER ADMINISTRATION WE DO IS FAIR. IT'S GOT TO BE FAIR. YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T TREAT PEOPLE DIFFERENTLY. >> Zanoni: YEAH. WE AGREE WITH THAT, COUNCILMAN. >> Hernandez: I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR SOME FEEDBACK ON THIS, IF YOU COULD SEND US SOME INFORMATION AFTER YOU DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE. >> Zanoni: THIS IS THE FIRST I'M HEARING IT BUT WE'LL TRY TO FIGURE IT OUT AND GET YOU SOMETHING. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN SCOTT. >> Scott: MAYOR, I HAVE HAD THE PLEASURE OF ATTENDING THESE MEETINGS FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS. IS IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO CHANGE THE WAY WE HANDLE PUBLIC COMMENT TO ALLOW RHETORICAL QUESTIONS? FIRST OF ALL, THAT GOES FOR EVERYBODY. SECOND OF ALL, IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN CLINT MIRACLE RUN, IT'S A JOY. I HAVE A GREAT RESPECT FOR THE GUY. BUT THIS IS MORE THAN THAT. I JUST -- I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE TALKING. I DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY'RE ASKING ME A QUESTION. I THINK IT'S RHETORICAL IN NATURE AND I THINK THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED. I DO REALIZE YOU COULD ABUSE THAT BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT AND FEEL THE ABUSE BEFORE WE INFRINGE ON THAT. I THINK IT'S Y'ALL'S CALL. >> Mayor Guajardo: WHICH IS WHY YOU DON'T SEE ME SAYING, SIR -- THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE RHETORICAL QUESTIONS. AND I THINK MR. RISLEY COULD STEP IN, IF YOU WOULD LIKE. YOU'RE ABIDING BY THE WORD AND THEN IT'S MY CALL TO SAY WHETHER IT WAS RHETORICAL OR NOT. AND NINE TIMES OUT OF TEN, IF NOT MORE, IT IS RHETORICAL AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT. >> Scott: IF IT'S COUNCIL POLICY, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO CONSIDER CHANGING THE WORDING TO ALLOW RHETORICAL QUESTIONS, SO LONG AS THEY DON'T FALL INTO THE OTHER THINGS. I'D LIKE THAT. I DON'T MIND THE COMMENTS. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MR. SCOTT. COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON. >> Paxson: THANK YOU, MAYOR. SECOND TIME TODAY I AGREE, YOU KNOW, WITH COUNCIL MEMBER SCOTT ON THIS ONE. TO ME, I THINK WHAT I'VE OBSERVED IS THERE SEEMS TO BE WHERE SOME FOLKS WILL COME FORWARD AND ASK A RHETORICAL QUESTION OR A QUESTION AND THEY GET THE SLAP ON THE HAND AND OTHERS DON'T GET THE SLAP ON THE HAND. TO ME, I THINK IT'S A PROBLEM WITH THE SYSTEM, LIKE MARK WAS SAYING. I THINK IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO REVISIT HOW WE HAVE THAT POLICY WORDED AND LISTED. AND IF IT IS A JUDGMENT CALL, THEN MAYBE WE MAKE THE JUDGMENT THAT WE DON'T WANT TO CALL. I THINK IN YEARS PAST WHERE I'VE SEEN QUESTIONS WEAPONIZED IN WAYS THAT WERE JUST TO DISRUPT -- I AGREE. WE DON'T WANT TO DISRUPT. BUT I THINK THAT BEING ALLOWED TO ASK QUESTIONS, EVEN THOUGH WE CAN'T RESPOND, I THINK, ONE, THERE'S THIS LIST OF NO PROFANITY, DON'T ATTACK PEOPLE. THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. BUT I THINK ASKING A QUESTION PUBLICLY OF YOUR REPRESENTATIVE IS VERY APPROPRIATE. >> Zanoni: SO THESE ARE COUNCIL-APPROVED POLICIES AND WE CAN BRING IT BACK TO STRIKE THAT SECTION OUT. >> Paxson: IF WE COULD DO THAT MAYOR. >> Zanoni: WE'LL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA, NOT FOR NEXT WEEK, BECAUSE THE AGENDA IS ALREADY OUT. BUT THE FIRST MEETING IN JULY. >> Paxson: IF WE COULD, THAT WOULD BE FABULOUS. >> Zanoni: IT WOULD BE A CONSENT ITEM. IT'S PRETTY ROUTINE. >> Paxson: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> Mayor Guajardo: SUSIE LUNA SALDANA. >> SUSIE LUNA SALDANA, CORPUS CHRISTI TEXAS. I COME BEFORE YOU TODAY BECAUSE I WANT YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT SOMETHING. I KNOW THAT YOU'VE BEEN LOOKING AT ALL THE WATER ISSUES AND I DON'T WANT YOU TO FORGET DESAL, OKAY? BECAUSE WE GET CARRIED AWAY WITH A LOT OF OTHER THINGS BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE LONG-TERM EFFECTS OF IT. THERE'S ANOTHER ISSUE I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT AND I KNOW AS A COUNCIL YOU DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER IT. BUT, MAYOR, I BELIEVE THE MAYOR DOES, AND THAT'S THE HOUSING AUTHORITY. AFTER LOOKING AT THINGS AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THE CEO IS MAKING, I WAS APPALLED. YOU KNOW, WE MADE A BIG DEAL ABOUT THE CITY MANAGER, HE'S NOT MAKING THAT KIND OF MONEY. OKAY? SO, MAYOR, THOSE PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE AND THAT ARE STILL THERE THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING THESE SORT OF THINGS NEED TO BE LOOKED AT. THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. YOU HAVE THE POWER TO DO IT, THEY NEED TO BE LOOKED AT. THEY NEED TO BE LOOKED AT. AND THIS COUNCIL NEEDS TO GET INVOLVED IN SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT'S ATROCIOUS THAT AN ENTITY THAT'S MADE TO HELP THE POOR IS DOING THIS KIND OF THING. AND THOSE PEOPLE THAT SERVE NEED TO BE LOOKED AT. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME ON THIS ISSUE. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MS. LUNA SALDANA. MARK MUNSTER. >> MARK MUNSTER, CORPUS CHRISTI. TODAY I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT -- I HAVE PRINTED TWO STATEMENTS FROM THE CITY. THE FIRST ONE IS FROM JUNE 16. IT'S ABOUT THE RECENT HOUSING AUTHORITY, THE INVESTIGATION COMING OUT ABOUT THE SALARY, OVER $700,000. AND JUST THE WAY THE STATEMENT READS, I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW IT WAS A SEPARATE ENTITY, AS THE STATEMENT SAYS RIGHT AWAY THAT IT'S A -- SORRY. I LOST MY PLACE. INDEPENDENT AGENCY. AND I WAS TRYING TO SEE -- SINCE THE MAYOR APPOINTS THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, THERE SHOULD BE SOME -- IT SAYS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO INSTITUTE REFORMS ABOUT FINANCIAL OVERSIGHT AND PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY. I WOULD HOPE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE. AND COMING HERE TODAY TALKING ABOUT IT, I HAVE BEEN -- I HAVE LEASED IN FOUR DIFFERENT PLACES IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS SO I'VE BEEN RECENTLY -- I KNOW HOW IT IS LOOKING FOR A LEASE COMING OUT OF SCHOOL AND HAVING YOUR FIRST JOB. SO I HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE HOW THAT IS. AND IF IT'S FROM GRANT MONEY AND NOT FROM THE CITY, IT'S TAX MONEY REGARDLESS. PEOPLE CAN HAVE A SAY ABOUT IT. WE ONLY FOUND OUT ABOUT IT BECAUSE OF THE INVESTIGATION. WE KNOW THERE'S THINGS WE CAN'T TRUST THE GOVERNMENT ABOUT, OBVIOUSLY. WHAT DO WE THINK GOES ON BEHIND THE SCENES? OF COURSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO TRUST THE BLANKET STATEMENT THAT THE CITY IS NOT TAKING ANY ACCOUNTABILITY FOR IT. WHY DO YOU THINK PEOPLE ARE UPSET ABOUT THIS? IT'S A REALLY LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY AND BECAUSE OF THE COST OF HOUSING THAT THIS ORGANIZATION IS SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE. OKAY. THE OTHER STATEMENT, MAY 21, 2025. THERE WAS JUST A FEW THINGS THAT I WANT TO POINT OUT. FIRST OF ALL SAYING IT WAS A SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE TRYING TO UNDERMINE THE PROGRESS. LAST APRIL THE TCEQ MEETING THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE FOR CORPUS CHRISTI. AND THAT HAVE COME TO PUBLIC COMMENTS AND INPUT SESSIONS OVER AND OVER. FOR THIS TO BE IN THE CITY'S STATEMENT, IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT THAT IT'S A SMALL GROUP. BASED ON INACCURATE INFORMATION AND A DISREGARD FOR CONSTRUCTIVE CONVERSATION, WHEN I KNOW THE CITY CANCELED A TOWN HALL IN SPRING OF LAST YEAR AND NEVER RESCHEDULED IT. AND THEN YOU WERE CRITICIZING ON FACEBOOK OTHER TOWN HALLS BEING HOSTED. YOU'RE SAYING A SMALL GROUP IS THE ONE DISREGARDING CONSTRUCTIVE CONVERSATION, AND PUTTING THE BLAME ON PEOPLE COMING HERE AND ARE MAYBE CONCERNED ABOUT THE UTILITY RATES OR THE BAY. AND YOU'RE PUTTING THE BLAME ON THEM INSTEAD OF THE WATER USERS. AND THEN, LET'S SEE. AND THEN YOU ALSO SPENT LIKE $123,000 ON THE MARKETING CAMPAIGN. I DON'T THINK YOU THINK IT'S SMALL ANYWAY BECAUSE YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY PUTTING MONEY TO MARKET ABOUT -- I DON'T SEE THE WORD DESALINATION BEING USED. IT'S CHANGED TO WATER TREATMENT CAMPUS OR FACILITY. YEAH. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON. >> Paxson: THANK YOU, MAYOR. PETER, COULD WE FOLLOW UP WITH MR. MUNSTER AND I WOULD LIKE TO GET A COPY CITING WHERE WE HAVE THAT STATEMENT IN HIS SECOND STATEMENT THAT HE'S LISTED. IF I COULD GET THAT INFORMATION. >> Zanoni: YEAH. WE CAN DO THAT FOR YOU, COUNCILWOMAN. IT'S ON OUR WEBSITE. >> Zanoni: WE'LL GET YOU A COPY. >> Paxson: THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: BRAD BART LSON. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. >> Mayor Guajardo: GOOD AFTERNOON. >> [OFF MIC] BRAD BARTELSON DISTRICT 5, CORPUS CHRISTI. I ONLY GOT PARTWAY THROUGH LAST WEEK. WE'VE GOT A HUGE WATERSHED. YOU SEE THE BACKGROUND THERE. YOU DO REALIZE WE RETAIN THE WATER, WE EVAPORATED AND EVERYTHING DOWN STREEM MOST OF IT GETS WASTED TO THE BAYS, SO IT SEEMED LONL CAL THAT WHAT IF WE COLLECTED THAT WATER THAT'S COMING HERE DOWNSTREAM OF THAT AND USE THAT. SO IT IS A LOT SIMPLER. YOU KNOW, SEAWATER IS 100% -- CONTAMINATED WITH SALT. THIS WATER THAT WE HAVE AS YOU SAW YESTERDAY, I TOOK PICTURES AND MOVIES, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF CLEAR WATER COMING INTO OUR ALREADY INVESTED IN COLLECTION SYSTEM. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. I CAN'T GO THROUGH THAT TODAY, BUT THERE'S A HECK OF A LOT OF WATER, EVEN IN A DROUGHT YEAR, WE SEE 26.77 LAST YEAR, WHAT FALLS THERE, THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE IS THAT EPA STORMWATER MODEL I USE, SO RETAINING 40% OF THAT JUST IN DSAD'S D THROUGH G GIVES US ENOUGH WATER TO DO WHAT THE DESAL PLANT WOULD DO. MUCH EASIER. NEXT SLIDE. AGAIN, SO THE OBJECT HERE IS TO COLLECT ALL THIS BEAUTIFUL WATER THAT'S COMING AT US, PUTTING IT IN COVERED PONDS SO WE'RE NOT LOSING HALF OF IT. IT'S EASY. DO THE SIMPLE THINGS FIRST. NEXT SLIDE. IT'S A GROWING STRATEGY, YOU CAN SEE THE CITIES HERE THAT ARE USING STORMWATER. WE EVEN TALKED ABOUT USE OF SEWER WATER CAN BE DONE AND CLEANED UP. MUCH MORE EASILY THAN SALT WATER. JUST CONSIDER THAT FOR EVERY GALLON OF FRESH WATER YOU GET OUT, YOU HAVE ONE AND A HALF GALLONS OF HIGH SALINE EFFLUENT. TO MEASURE THE DIFFICULTY WHEREAS WHEN WE CLEAN UP STORMWATER, IT'S ALMOST 100% CLEAN WATER WHEN WE CLEAN IT UP. VERY PROVEN PROCESSES. NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS -- AGAIN, I CAN'T GO INTO THE DETAILS HERE, BUT WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE COLLECTION SYSTEM. IT COMES VERY HARD AND FAST AS YOU SAW IN THE RECENT DAYS, THAT'S WHY A LOT OF IT GETS WASTED. WE COLLECT IT, WE PUMP IT, WE PUT IT IN RETENTION PLANS IN THE WEST/SOUTHWEST SIDE OF THE CITY AND IT'S THERE FOR US AND WE CAN ACTUALLY ADD TO WHAT WE HAVE COMING DOWN THROUGH THE RIVER TODAY. NEXT SLIDE. THIS OSO CREEK WATERSHED, THAT'S KIND OF SEPARATE. THERE'S A LOT THERE. I CAN'T GO THROUGH THE NUMBERS IN DETAIL, BUT THERE'S A LOT THAT CAN BE DONE THERE, THAT'S THE IDEAL PLACE TO PUT THESE RETENTION PONDS. OKAY? NEXT SLIDE. JUST A LOOK AT THE SIMPLICITY, YOU KNOW, EINSTEIN, DO THE SIMPLE THINGS. WE HAVE A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE. IT'S EASIER TO TREAT WHAT CURRENTLY GETS FLUSHED TO THE BAYS AND CAUSES A PROBLEM. WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE BETTER FACILITIES THERE. DIDN'T GET THERE TODAY EITHER. IF YOU'VE GOT MORE QUESTIONS, THERE'S JUST A TON HERE, SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND I'M JUST OFFERING MY HELP IN THIS. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. RACHEL CABALLERO? >> RACHEL CABALLERO, D1, HERE REPRESENTING -- I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE CORPUS CHRISTI TAXPAYERS ASSOCIATION. I HAVE SOMETHING FOR YOU GUYS TO LISTEN TO. >> THE OFFICE, OKAY, THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI, NOT THE MAYOR. >> Mayor Guajardo: NO, MA'AM, IT'S NOT THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI. IT IS AN ACCOUNT THAT'S FOR THIS EVENT. IT IS SEPARATE FROM THE CITY. >> Zanoni: IT'S NOT A CITY -- I DON'T HAVE ANY OVERSIGHT OVER THIS. THIS IS NOT A CITY, IT'S MORE OF A CAMPAIGN, I THINK, CAMPAIGN THING, SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ASK THE MAYOR MILES. >> Campos: THE SPONSORS. YEAH. >> Mayor Guajardo: THEY WRITE A CHECK. AND I'D HAVE TO TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT IT'S TO, BUT IT'S A -- I THINK IT'S AN ACCOUNT FOR THE FOURTH OF JULY BIG BANG. >> Campos: WELL, I DON'T THINK I WAS AWARE OF A CHECK ACCOUNT FOR JUST THE BIG BANG EVENT. >> Mayor Guajardo: YOU KNOW, HAD YOU REACHED OUT. >> Hernandez: IS THERE ANY TRACKING OF THE FUNDS THAT GO INTO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? OBVIOUSLY, PETER SAID HE DOESN'T TRACK IT. WHERE IS IT TRACKED. >> Zanoni: I WAS LOOKING AT HEATHER, DO WE -- >> Mayor Guajardo: IN MY OFFICE. >> Zanoni: MILES -- OH, IN YOUR -- DOES IT GO INTO A CITIBANK ACCOUNT? >> Mayor Guajardo: I HAVE A CHIEF OF STAFF AND A THOROUGH ACCOUNTING OF ALL FUNDS. [VIDEO STOPPED.] >> YOU HAVE ALL JUST HEARD COMMENTS FROM LAST WEEK'S. IT'S SEPARATE FROM THE CITY, IT'S AN ACCOUNT FOR THE FOURTH OF JULY, I HAVE A THOROUGH ACCOUNTING OF ALL FUNDS. THESE ARE JUST A FEW OF THE MISREPRESENTATIONS MADE LAST WEEK. BEFORE YOU IS A SPREADSHEET PUT TOGETHER BASED OFF OF THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI'S ARCHIVED CHECK REGISTERS. THERE ARE SEVERAL, SEVERAL ALARMING ISSUES HERE. THERE ARE SEVERAL EXPENSES PAID OUT FOR THE BIG BANG CELEBRATION TOTALING 482,000 OVER THE COURSE OF FOUR YEARS. 114 2021. 123 2022. 106 IN '23. 120,000 IN '24, AND $17,850 FOR THIS CURRENT YEAR. THIS IS A PROBLEM. THIS IS NOT SEPARATE FROM THE CITY. THIS IS USING OUR TAX DOLLARS AND THEN LYING TO OUR COMMUNITY ABOUT IT. IS THERE A REIMBURSEMENT CHECK FROM THIS SO-CALLED SEPARATE ACCOUNT? I'M HOPING MY PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUEST THAT WAS SUBMITTED YESTERDAY WILL HAVE THE CANCELED REIMBURSEMENT CHECK BACK TO THE TAXPAYERS. OTHERWISE, THIS IS A TAXPAYER FUNDED EVENT AND THE TAXPAYERS SHOULD BE HEADLINING NAME ON IT. I WOULD LIKE TO END ALL ALCOHOL PURCHASES WITH OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS. THERE ARE THREE ENTRIES OF ALCOHOL BEING PURCHASED TOTALING $8,916.11. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE THAT ALCOHOL BE PRESENT AT A CITY EVENT. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, IT'S BEING PROVIDED TO PEOPLE IN THE VIP SECTION. WE DO NOT WANT TO FUND YOUR DRINKING HABITS. IT IS ALARMING AT THE MISINFORMATION AND LIES BEING SPEWED TO OUR COMMUNITY. IT IS ALSO EXTREMELY ALARMING THAT THE TWO PEOPLE CLAIMING TO HAVE A THOROUGH HANDLE ON CITY AFFAIRS HAD NO IDEA ABOUT THESE EXPENDITURES GOING THROUGH THE C CITY BANK ACCOUNT. >> Mayor McComb: THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: STATEMENT OF FACT. THERE IS NOT ONE TAXPAYER DOLLAR USED FOR THIS EVENT. THESE ARE ALL PRIVATE COMPANIES THAT ARE ASKED FOR SPONSORSHIPS AND THEY ARE WHAT IS PAYING FOR THE FIREWORKS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IS INVOLVED IN THIS EVENT. >> THE MONEY'S COMING OUT OF -- MRS. CABA LLERO, PLEASE DON'T BREAK DECORUM. PLEASE. I'M ASKING YOU -- I'M ASKING YOU. THANK YOU. I'M ASKING YOU, THANK YOU. >> [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Guajardo: ISABEL ARAIZA? >> MAYOR? COUNCILMA N PAXSON, I'M SORRY? >> Paxson: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I KNOW LAST WEEK IT WAS SAID THAT THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE BECAUSE IT COMES OUT OF THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, SO I DON'T KNOW TO WHOM TO DIRECT MY QUESTION, BUT, YOU KNOW, AS SOMEONE WHO IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH HOLDING PUBLIC EVENTS, I KNOW THERE'S COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH OPERATIONS AND TYPICALLY WE WOULD OFFSET THOSE WITH SPONSORSHIPS MAKING IT A NET ZERO, AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WHAT I'M SEEING HERE DOES LOOK LIKE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI ACCOUNTS, CITY OF CC WELLS FARGO P CARD, P CARD, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SEE THAT DOES OFFSET. ABSOLUTEL Y. AND WHY DON'T WE DO THIS? WHY DON'T WE HAVE SOME DISCUSSION OVER THAT AS OPPOSED TO THROUGH PUBLIC COMMENT SO THAT WE CAN EXPLAIN EXACTLY HOW THE ACCOUNTING GOES. >> Paxson: I'D APPRECIATE THAT. LIKE I SAID, I UNDERSTAND EVENTS, WE TRY TO OFFSET WITH SPONSORSHIPS. >> Mayor Guajardo: IT'S NOT OFFSET. IT IT'S 100% SPONSOR. IT NEEDS CLARITY, AND THAT'S ABSOLUTELY OKAY. >> Paxson: THANK YOU. COUNCILWO MAN CAMPOS? >> Campos: THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST TO REITERATE AGAIN WHAT COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON SAID, IT WOULD SHINE A LIGHT TO THE EVENT. AND, AGAIN, I -- IT -- THIS WAS NOT MY INTENTION WHEN I MENTIONED THE ISSUE LAST WEEK. MY INTENTION WAS REALLY TO REMOVE ANY MAYOR'S NAME IN A CITY -- I THOUGHT IT WAS A CITY-SPONSORED EVENT, BUT I DON'T KNOW? IS IT OR IS IT NOT? I DON'T KNOW, NOW WE'RE IN A GRAY AREA. SO I GUESS THE MAIN THING IS TO COME OUT AND BE TRANSPARENT LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST MENTIONED AND TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW. AND IF WE CAN DO THIS EITHER IN THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM OR IF WE NEED TO DO A PUBLIC STATEMENT, I -- THIS IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN? >> Vaughn: I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO DO ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM, I WOULD JUST SAY THIS: I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR HER TRANSPARENCY IN THE BACK AND TELL US EXECUTIVE WHATEVER, AND THEN COME BACK OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND EXPLAIN, BECAUSE WE ALWAYS WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT. I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S TRYING TO HIDE ANYTHING, JUST BE TRANSPARENT TO THE PUBLIC. ABSOLUTEL Y. >> Vaughn: THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. ISABEL ARAIZA? >> ISABEL ARAIZA, DISTRICT 2, REALLY I WANTED TO COME BACK AND JUST REVISIT THIS EARLY DETECTION CANCER SCREENING AND KIND OF CONNECT SOME DOTS, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY STAYED WITH ME FOR SOME TIME. YOU KNOW, I WAS THINKING ABOUT HOW YOU HAD MULTIPLE FIREFIGHTERS COME UP HERE, SOME OF THEM DRESSED IN THEIR SUNDAY BEST AND SOME IN THEIR UNIFORMS, REALLY DISCLOSING SOME VERY PRIVATE ISSUES AROUND THEIR HEALTHCARE AND THEIR EXPENSES AND WHAT HAD DAWNED ON ME IN THINKING ABOUT THEM MORE IS NOT JUST PERSONAL MATTERS, BUT REALLY PUBLIC ISSUES. WHAT -- WHAT I THINK THEY WERE RESPONDING TO, OR MY SENSE OF IT WAS, AS A SOCIOLOGIST IS, YOU KNOW, THEIR -- THEY'RE SHOWING THAT THESE LINE ITEMS IN OUR BUDGET AREN'T JUST EXPENSE LINES. AND THEY WERE TRYING TO PUT A HUMAN FACE AND THE HUMAN COST ON WHAT THESE SERVICES WERE AND HOW VALUABLE THEY WERE TO THESE EMPLOYEES, WHO ARE DOING THINGS TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITY SAFE. THE CANCER SCREENINGS GOING TO COST AROUND $233,000 IN THIS FISCAL YEAR BUDGET, AND I THINK THAT THIS IS ALSO ONE OF THE KIND OF CHALLENGES WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO ACTUALLY DISCLOSE OUR PERSONAL TROUBLE, OUR PERSONAL TROUBLES IN ORDER FOR US TO SEE THAT THE SERVICES THAT PEOPLE NEED ARE VALUABLE. AND ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE THIS BUDGET SHORTFALL, YOU KNOW, I WAS KIND OF LOOKING AT THE ITEMS IN OUR BUDGET -- IN THE CITY AGENDA THIS WEEK, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE WASTEWATER TRUST -- [LAPSE IN AUDIO] -- IT'S GOING TO BE A $2.1 MILLION DEFICIT, ITEM 5, YOU HAVE ITEM 27 THAT'S TO ANNEX AREAS THAT USED TO BE PART OF AN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT AGREEMENT. YOU HAVE HARBOR DESALINATION PLANT. INDUSTRIAL AGREEMENT ROB THE CITY OF FINANCIAL RESOURCES THAT COULD BE USED TO PROVIDE DOCUMENTS. BUDGETS ARE MORAL DOCUMENTS. THEIR STORIES ARE EXAMPLES OF THAT, THEY EXEMPLIFY THAT, THAT WE BRING MONEY IN TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO OUR COMMUNITY AND THAT WE CAN POOL OUR RESOURCES, AND WHEN WE CHOOSE NOT TO DO THE MOST EFFICIENT THINGS POSSIBLE TO BRING IN REVENUE SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE SERVICES, WE'RE BASICALLY PICKING WINNERS AND LOSERS, IT REALLY STRIKES ME THAT WE CAN BASICALLY NOT BLINK AN EYE ON A PILOT DESAL PLANT THAT WENT FROM 5 MILLION TO $18 MILLION, AND WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT. YOU KNOW, WE'LL EVEN MOBILIZE RESOURCES TO GO TO DIA DE M D.C. OR GO TO AUSTIN FOR A DESALINATION PLANT FOR INDUSTRY THAT WE DON'T NEED. AND HERE WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE BEGGING FOR THINGS LIKE EARLY CANCER SCREENINGS OR FOR YOU TO SPEND MONEY ON THINGS THAT WILL ACTUALLY ENHANCE THE OPERATIONS OF DEPARTMENTS AND PROGRAMS LIKE NOT CUTTING EMPLOYEES TO ANIMAL CARE SERVICES OR, YOU KNOW, FRIVOLOUS SPENDING ON LIBRARY CARDS. BUDGETS ARE MORAL DOCUMENTS, AND Y'ALL'S MORALITY IS SHOWING. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MRS. ARAIZA. JASON HALE. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR, GOOD AFTERNOON COUNCILMEMBERS. TODAY I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A FEW COMMENTS, I APPRECIATED THE THREE-MONTH FORECAST THAT WE HAD ON -- >> City Secretary: CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY, PLEASE. >> SO SORRY, JASON HALE, CORPUS CHRISTI. THE THREE-MONTH FORECAST THAT WE HAD ON THE AGENDA TODAY, I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY COOL. IT WOULD BE COOL IF THAT WAS PUBLICLY AVAILABLE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS THE INTENTION. SO THAT'S SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE OF MOVING FORWARD. LET'S SEE. I THINK THE CITY MANAGER SAID THAT THE CONSULTANT THAT DID THE FAR FIELD MODELING WILL PRESENT IN JULY, SO I'M HOPING THAT'S GHD. THAT'S GOOD NEWS. I KNOW Y'ALL ARE LOOKING AT WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT REUSE, AND I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF, LIKE, COMMENT ON THAT A LITTLE BIT. SO I APPRECIATE THAT WE'RE DIVERSIFYING OUR WATER RESOURCES, BUT I DO WANT TO CAUTION THAT IF WE JUST TAKE ALL OF THE -- LET'S SEE, THE WATER THAT'S GOING TO THE BAY AND THE STREAMS, THAT THAT COULD BE A BAD THING. FOR EXAMPLE, THE OSO BAY WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, THAT'S BY THE HAHNS SUE DER WILDLIFE REFUGE, AND FROM MY CONVERSATION, IT'S TOTALLY TRANSFORMED THE AREA, IT'S MADE IT MUCH MORE ECOLOGICALLY DIVERSE AND PRODUCTIVE. AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP THAT IN MIND MOVING FORWARD WHEN WE'RE DIVERSIFYING OUR WATER RESOURCES, WHICH I THINK IS A GREAT THING. ANYWAY, THAT'S MY COMMENT. THANKS. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, PLMR. HALE. MELISSA ZAMORA? >> MELISSA ZAMORA, DISTRICT 2, CORPUS CHRISTI, TEXAS. I AGREE WITH MR. BARTLINSON ON TALKING ABOUT THAT, YEAH, GETTING MORE RAINWATER CAPTURE ON A LARGER SCALE, SOMETHING THAT OTHER CITIES DO IN LIKE DESERT-STRICKEN AREAS, ARIZONA AND NEVADA, FOR INSTANCE. AND THEN, YEAH, MENTIONING OSO CREEK, THAT'S INTERESTING, FOR COLLECTION OR CAPTURE BASINS. IT REMINDS ME OF A CONVERSATION THAT I HAD WITH SOMEONE WHO LIVES IN HILLCREST AND, YEAH, I WAS LATE TO THE PORT COMMISSION MEETING TODAY, BUT I'M GOING TO START GOING TO THOSE AS FAR AS THE REZONING THAT Y'ALL ARE GOING TO BE VOTING ON ON THE 24TH, UNLESS THAT GETS CHANGED. BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OH, Y'ALL WERE GOING TO GET A POOL AND THEY WERE TRYING TO REVAMP THE AREA OF HILLCREST, THAT THERE ARE STILL PEOPLE LIVING THERE, SOME OF MY PAST STUDENTS INCLUDED, AND HOW, YOU KNOW, THE INDUSTRY JUST KEEPS ENCROACHING AND ENCROACHING AND THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO STOP. BUT YOU'D NEVER SEE THAT ON THE ISLAND. YOU'D NEVER SEE THAT NEAR OSO CREEK? WHY? ENVIRONMENTAL RACISM IS REAL, CORPUS CHRISTI HAS A HISTORY OF THAT. THIS COUNTRY DOES. SO JUST TAKING THAT INTO ACCOUNT AND TRYING TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO TRY TO HELP PEOPLE OUT INSTEAD OF HELPING THE INDUSTRIAL GIANTS THAT ARE LITERALLY DRAINING OUR WATER SUPPLY. WHY IS THAT OKAY? WHAT ARE WE GOING DO WHEN THERE'S NO MORE WATER? HOW ARE THEY GOING TO CONTINUE BUSINESS? I KNOW THAT'S WHY THE WHOLE PUSH ON THE DESALINATION, WHICH IS ANOTHER THING I THINK IS INTERESTING WHEN THERE'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST IT SEEMS WHEN KIEWIT IS AN OIL INDUSTRY AND THEY'RE GOING INTO HELP WITH DESIGNING PART OF THE DESAL? SOMETHING -- IT'S JUST -- THERE'S TOO MANY THINGS THAT ARE -- EVEN LIKE THAT WAS MENTIONED ABOUT THE FIREFIGHTERS COMING IN AND TALKING ABOUT CANCER SCREENINGS. LITERALLY BECAUSE THEY'RE AROUND BURNING CHEMICALS THROUGH HOUSES OR WHEREVER THEY'RE PUTTING THE FIRES OUT. IMAGINE LIVING HERE BURNING CHEMICALS 24/7, LIVING AT A PLACE LIKE HILLCREST, DONNA PARK, WASHINGTON COLES AREA WHERE PEOPLE HAVE TO GO OUTSIDE AND SEE AND SMELL THE REFINERY SMOKE, GETTING ALL KINDS OF CHEMICALS INSIDE THEIR BODIES AND GETTING CANCER. THAT'S NOT OKAY. PEOPLE SHOULDN'T LIVE NEAR THAT. AND THE PEOPLE WERE HERE FIRST. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN POPULATING THIS AREA FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS, INDUSTRY HAS ONLY BEEN HERE A COUPLE HUNDRED YEARS. WE CAN DO BETTER. PEOPLE ARE MOVING AWAY FROM HERE BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO BE IN AN INDUSTRIAL CITY. YOU GO OUT OF TOWN, YOU GO ON VACATION, YOU LOVE NOT BEING ABLE TO BE NEAR REFINERIES. AT LEAST ME, PERSONALLY. SO THEN COMING BACK TO CORPUS, IT'S LIKE, MAN, WE'VE GOT TO, LIKE, DEAL WITH THIS STUFF. SO THINKING ABOUT THOSE THINGS. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MRS. ZAMORA. COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON? >> Paxson: THANK YOU, MAYOR. PETER, I THINK IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I THINK YOU REFERENCED A LITTLE BIT EARLIER THAT AT THE REQUEST OF THE PORT, THEY'VE ACTUALLY MOVED THE ITEM THAT WAS SCHEDULED FOR THE 24TH BECAUSE THEY INTEND TO MEET WITH THE HILLCREST GROUP; IS THAT CORRECT. >> Zanoni: THAT'S WHAT I SAID. THAT'S CORRECT. >> Paxson: OKAY. SHE INDICATED IF THAT WAS STILL THE TIMELINE, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS CLEAR. >> Zanoni: YEAH, THAT'S CLEAR. AND WE HAVE A MEMO TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S CLEAR IN WRITING,S AND THE GOAL IS TO INFORM COUNCIL AND ALSO THE HILLCREST COMMUNITY AND ANYBODY INTERESTED, WE'LL PROBABLY PUT A MEDIA RELEASE OUT. >> Paxson: THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL. THANK YOU, PETER. >> Mayor Guajardo: MIKE MCFARLAND? >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME'S MIKE MCFARLAND, I RESIDE IN DISTRICT 4 HERE IN CORPUS CHRISTI. I AM HERE AS A FATHER, GRANDFATHER AND I'M HONORED TO SERVE AS THE TEXAS FAITH DIRECTOR FOR CITIZENS DEFENDING FREEDOM. TODAY I WANT TO PUBLICLY THANK MAYOR GUAJARDO FOR DESIGNATING JUNE AS RESPONSIBLE FATHERHOOD MONTH LAST WEDNESDAY ON JUNE 11TH. KIDS NEED THEIR DADS. AND WHEN FATHERS SHOW UP, KIDS THRIVE. AND WHEN DADS ARE MISSING FROM THE PICTURE, KIDS FACE TOUGHER ROADS. THE NUMBERS TELL A VERY HEARTBREAKING STORY. THE U.S. CENSUS REPORTS THAT 1 IN 4 AMERICAN CHILDREN LIVE WITHOUT A BIOLOGICAL, STEP OR ADOPTIVE FATHER IN THEIR HOME. AND THIS CRISIS AFFECTS COMMUNITIES ALL ACROSS THIS COUNTRY. THE IMPACT IS DEVASTATING. CHILDREN WITHOUT FATHERS ARE MORE LIKELY TO LIVE IN POVERTY, DROP OUT OF SCHOOL, EXPERIENCE TEEN PREGNANCY AND BE INCARCERATED. THE UNITED STATES HAS THE HIGHEST RATE OF SINGLE-PARENT HOUSEHOLDS IN THE WORLD. MORE THAN THREE TIMES THE GLOBAL AVERAGE. MOREOVER, FATHERS' ABSENCE IS RISING AND THAT IS DRIVEN IN PART BY THE FACT THAT APPROXIMATELY 40% OF ALL U.S. BIRTHS ARE NOW OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE, BUT THERE'S GOOD NEWS ABOUT WHAT INVOLVED FATHERS BRING TO THE TABLE. KIDS WITH ENGAGED DADS ARE MORE LIKELY TO EXCEL IN SCHOOL, THEY FACE A LOWER RISK OF ENDING UP BEHIND BARS AND THEY ARE LESS LIKELY TO SUFFER FROM MOOD DISORDERS SUCH AS ANXIETY AND DEPRESSION. WHAT'S MORE, PRIORITIZING RESPONSIBLE FATHER HOOD COULD SAVE TAXPAYERS BILLIONS OF DOLLARS EACH YEAR IN RELATED SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE POVERTY CAUSED BY FATHERLESSNESS. THEREFORE, STRENGTHENING THE ROLE OF FATHERS IS NOT SIMPLY GOOD FOR FAMILIES, BUT IS A FISCALLY SOUND STRATEGY FOR THE NATION. BY DECLARING JUNE AS RESPONSIBLE FATHERHOOD MONTH, WE ARE CELEBRATING RESPONSIBLE FATHERS. WE'RE RAISING AWARENESS OF THE FATHER'S VITAL ROLE AND STRENGTHEN OUR FAMILIES AND COMMUNITIES. LET US CONTINUE THIS COMMITMENT TO WHAT BRINGS STABILITY, WHICH IS INVOLVED DADS, HEALTHY HOMES, AND LASTING IMPACT. AND LET'S ENCOURAGE A SOCIETY WHERE FATHERHOOD IS EMBRACED, CHILDREN ARE SUPPORTED AND FAMILIES STAY ROOTED TOGETHER. THANK YOU, AGAIN, MAYOR FOR YOUR PROCLAMATION. IT'S A GIANT STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, AND I DO WANT TO ADD CORPUS CHRISTI WAS THE FIRST CITY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS TO PROCLAIM JUNE AS RESPONSIBLE FATHERHOOD MONTH. AND MANY MORE ARE COMING. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MR. MCFARLAND. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND LASTLY, WE HAVE ADAM RIOS? >> GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY. ADAM RIOS, CORPUS CHRISTI, TEXAS. I DIDN'T WRITE ANYTHING DOWN, I JUST WAS KIND OF HANGING OUT BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I THANKED EVERYBODY WHO WAS INVOLVED IN THE PROCLAMATION THIS MORNING. IT'S FUNNY THAT I'M FOLLOWING THAT, BECAUSE SOME OF WHAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS WHY I DO WHAT I DO. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WEREN'T HERE, RAY HIGH SCHOOL STARTED THE FIRST SKATEBOARDING CLUB IN CORPUS CHRISTI INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE THREE STUDENTS WHO WERE HERE WITH THEIR PRINCIPAL AND THEIR TEACHER WHEN I WAS TALKING WITH THEM AFTERWARDS, THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME THEY'D COME TO CITY HALL. THEY'RE 16, 17, 18 YEARS OLD AND THEY I'VE DRIVEN PAST IT WITH THEIR PARENTS, WE WERE LIKE WE DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THE ENTRANCE WAS, I HAD TO MEET TWO OF THEM IN THE PARKING LOT TO GET THEM IN TO SHOW THEM. AND THEY TALKED ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY SAW ME TALKING WITH PEOPLE AND THEY WERE KIND OF REALLY ENGAGED IN WHAT WAS GOING ON. AND THEY'RE VERY APPRECIATIVE, BECAUSE ONE OF THE YOUNG MEN WHO WAS PRESENT FOR THE PROCLAMATION TODAY IN AN INTERVIEW WITH LOCAL NEWS STATION SAID, LIKE I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I HAD A PLACE IN MY SCHOOL. I MEAN, LOOK AT ME, I LOOK A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN MOST KIDS. I DON'T THROW A BASEBALL, I DON'T DUNK A BASKETBALL, I JUST WANTED TO BE INVOLVED IN SOMETHING, AND THE SENSE OF PRIDE THAT THIS IS INSTILLING, I HOPE, SPREADS TO OTHER SCHOOLS BECAUSE WE TO WANT TO MAKE THIS A UIL SPORT AND BRING A LOT OF ATTENTION TO THIS. A LOT OF WHAT I DO WITH SKATEBOARDING ISN'T JUST IN SKATEBOARDING, I TRY AND DO AS MUCH AS I CAN WITH THE COMMUNITY THROUGH PARKS AND REC, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, A SWIMMING POOL HERE OR A SPLASH PAD THERE, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, TO THE POINT WHERE I FEEL LIKE I SHOULD BE DOING EVEN MORE THAN I'M DOING. AND I -- I PLEDGE TO EVERYBODY THAT I DO TRY AND DO MORE. I DON'T -- I'M NOT JUST INVOLVED IN SKATEBOARDING, I TRY AND DO WHAT I CAN WITH ART EDUCATION. I'M TRYING TO CREATE OUTLETS FOR THESE KIDS WHO CAN GROW UP IN A CITY THAT SUPPORTS WHAT IT IS THAT THEY'RE DOING. THERE'S A REASON I LEFT WHEN I WAS YOUNGER, BECAUSE AT LEAST AT THAT TIME I DIDN'T THINK THE CITY WAS A PLACE FOR ME. I DIDN'T THINK I HAD A SPOT HERE. SO I BOUGHT A ONE-WAY TICKET TO HAWAII AND THAT CHANGED MY LIFE. I'M BACK HERE BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO SHOW THESE KIDS THAT THEY HAVE THESE OPPORTUNITIES NOW, THERE'S PEOPLE THAT ARE WILLING TO LISTEN. AND IF THERE'S ANY PROOF OF THAT, YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, REALLY THREE AND A HALF YEARS SINCE I FIRST STARTED COMING HERE. BUT I WANTED TO TOUCH ON WHAT THE GENTLEMAN JUST SPOKE ABOUT, I KNOW FIRSTHAND WHAT IT IS TO HAVE A KID TELL ME, YOU'RE LIKE A FATHER FIGURE TO ME. AND THAT MEANS A LOT TO ME. BECAUSE I DON'T DO THIS TO DO THAT. I DON'T DO THIS -- BY THE WAY, FOR ANYBODY LISTENING, I DON'T GET PAID FOR ALL THIS STUFF THAT I DO. THERE'S NO DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY FOR ALTERNATIVE SPORTS THERE,'S NOT A PLACE -- I'M NOT MAKING ANYTHING OUT OF THIS, BUT THE CULTURAL CURRENCY I GET BACK FROM THESE KIDS MEANS MORE THAN ANY PAYCHECK THAN I COULD POSSIBLY HAVE. SO THANK Y'ALL FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND CONTINUED EFFORTS ON MOVING ALTERNATIVE SPORTS FORWARD. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MR. RIOS. WE APPRECIATE THAT. THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC COMMENT, SO WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO SECTION I, WHICH IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA. DO WE HAVE ANY REQUESTS FROM COUNCILMEMBERS TO PULL ANY ITEMS INDIVIDUALLY? ITEM NUMBER 5? OKAY. ANY OTHER ITEMS? ITEM NUMBER 24, NUMBER 25. >> ANYTHING ELSE? THREE 14 20. 29. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. NUMBER 29. OKAY. LET'S JUST GO THROUGH THE WHOLE THREE THROUGH 29. ANYTHING ELSE? I KNOW. SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH IN ORDER OF WHICH I THINK I RECEIVED. SO LET'S SEE, WE HAD NUMBER 5, 6 -- LET ME START. 3, 5, 6, 14, 20, 24, 25 AND 29? >> DID YOU GET 4? >> Mayor Guajardo: NO. NUMBER 4? OKAY. SO WOULD ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO PULL ANY PARTICULAR ITEM THAT WE DIDN'T ALREADY PULL? OKAY. WITH THAT I'M GOING TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE ITEMS I JUST NAMED. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. (AYES.) >> Mayor Guajardo: ANY OPPOSED, SAY NO. THE MOTION CARRIES. WELL'LL START IN ORDER HERE, NUMBER 5 IS AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A MIDYEAR BUDGET ADJUSTMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF A LITTLE OVER $4 MILLION FOR ANIMAL CARE SERVICES. AND WHO PULLED? >> [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Guajardo: OH, DARN IT. I'LL GO BACK TO FOUR RIGHT AFTER. WHO PULLED 5? COUNCILMAN VAUGHN? >> HI, GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. >> Mayor Guajardo: YOUR QUESTION OR COMMENT? >> Vaughn: I'VE GOT SEVERAL QUESTIONS. FIRST OFF, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M GOING TO ASK YOU, THE YARDS AND HOW -- WHAT DOES IT ENTAIL? WHAT ARE YOU PAVING? >> THE BACK PARKING LOT. >> Vaughn: THE WHOLE PARKING LOT? >> THE WHOLE PARKING LOT. >> Vaughn: WHERE THE WASH BAY'S GOING TO BE OR IN THE VERY, VERY BACK? >> THE WHOLE AREA. >> Vaughn: WHERE THE WASH BAY'S GOING TO BE ALL THE WAY BACK. >> CORRECT, FROM THE DRIVEWAY CUT ALL THE WAY TO THE ACTUAL FAR END OF THAT PARKING LOT ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE, WHICH WOULD BE THE WEST SIDE. >> Vaughn: OKAY. HOW MUCH IS IT A YARD? AND WHAT'S THE PSI? >> SO HOW MANY CUBIC YARDS, 595. >> Vaughn: 595. WHAT'S THE PSI? >> 4,000. >> Vaughn: 4,000, WHICH THAT'S GOOD. LET ME ASK YOU, WHY ARE YOU PAVING WHERE THE WASH BAY'S GOING TO BE WHEN IT'S ALREADY GOT CONCRETE? >> THERE'S NO WASH BAY RIGHT NOW. >> Vaughn: NO, BUT WHERE SHE TOLD ME THIS MORNING WHERE THE WASH BAY'S GOING TO BE IT'S GOT CRON CRETE? >> IT'S AN ALTERNATE LOCATION, I'M GOING TO FACILITATE IN THE BACK LEFT-HAND SIDE WHERE WE CAN DRAIN IT PROPERLY AND TIE IT IN. WE HAVEN'T INVESTIGATED THAT CLEANOUT RIGHT THERE AND WE STILL HAVE TO PUT IN AN OILY BATTER WATER SEPARATOR. THE AREA SHE'S LOOKING AT IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE INCINERATOR, BUT WE HAVEN'T INVESTIGATED THAT PART RIGHT NOW. >> Vaughn: YOU HAVEN'T INVESTIGATED IT? >> NO. >> Vaughn: SO THERE'S A POSSIBILITY RIGHT THERE TO SAVE MONEY YOU COULD PUT IT RIGHT THERE WHERE YOU'VE ALREADY GOT CONCRETE. WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS I'M TRYING TO GET SOME MONEY HERE. I DO NOT LIKE THE IDEA OF SPENDING 800 SOMETHING DOLLARS FOR A PARKING LOT. I THINK THAT'S RIDICULOUS. MY NEXT QUESTION IS, WHAT DOES ASPHALT COST? >> I WENT AHEAD AND GOT WITH THE CITY ALREADY ON THE CIP PROBABI PROJECTS. JUST TO DO THE PARKING LOT WITH NO SUBSURFACE IMPROVEMENTS NO OILY WATER SEPARATOR, JUST THE ASPHALT PORTION WAS RIGHT AROUND 375,000. AND IF THEY WENT -- YOU KNOW, CIP WITHOUT THE UNDERGROUND, WITHOUT THE SANITARY, WITHOUT THE OIL SEPARATOR, THEY'RE AROUND 405,000. >> Vaughn: OKAY. MR. ZANONI, SO WHEN I WAS OUT THERE TODAY, I WAS LOOKING, AND REALLY THE PARKING LOT COMING IN IS NOT THAT BAD. IT'S NOT LIKE THREE POTHOLEZ. >> Zanoni: RIGHT S. >> Vaughn: AND HAD IT BEEN FIXED? I'M NOT A PERSON THAT DOES THIS, I'M JUST TELLING YOU, WE HAVE IT AT THE RANCH WHERE WE HAVE TO FIX OUR ROADS. AND THEN THE FURTHEST BACKPACK THERE, IT HAS GOT SOME REALLY DEEP, DEEP AREAS, AS YOU KNOW, AND THAT PROBABLY DOES HAVE TO BE FIXED OUT THERE. YOU PROBABLY WON'T GET AWAY WITH GOING IN THERE AND FIXING THE HOLES, BUT THE BIGGEST PART OF IT IS COMING INTO THE PARKING LOT. THAT'S YOUR BIGGEST AREA. >> Zanoni: THE FRONT PARKING LOT OFF HOLLY. >> Vaughn: YES. >> Zanoni: THAT ONE WE'RE NOT PLANNING ON REPAVING, RIGHT. >> Vaughn: I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT IN THE FRONT, I'M TALKING ABOUT IN THE BACK WHERE THERE'S SEPARATE AREAS. YOU'VE GOT A GATE AND YOU WALK INTO THAT -- OR DRIVE-IN TO THAT BIG PARKING LOT. IT'S NOT REALLY BAD. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, OVER THE YEARS, YOU GO AND YOU REPAIR STREETS. DOES ANIMAL CONTROL HAVE TO PAY MONEY OUT OF THEIR BUDGET FOR THE CITY TO COME OUT THERE AND REPAIR THOSE POTHOLES? >> Zanoni: THE ANSWER IS A MIXED ONE. SOMETIMES DEPARTMENTS DO, OTHER TIMES IF ERNIE HAS AVAILABLE MATERIAL OR STAFF LABOR, HE'LL DO IT. SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE -- I THINK UP TO 400 LOCATIONS, 400 BUILDINGS. >> Vaughn: I KNOW. >> Zanoni: IN SOME CASES, IT CAN BE DONE WITH THE EXPENSE OF THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, OTHER CASES IF IT'S TOO SIGNIFICANT OR IF PUBLIC WORKS IS ALREADY WORKING OVERTIME JUST TO TAKE CARE OF THE STREETS, THEN THEY'LL BILL THE DEPARTMENT. BUT WE DO DO JUST THAT, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS PAVE CITY ASSETS FROM OUR IN-HOUSE CREWS BUT AGAIN THEY'RE WORKING TOO. THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SCHEDULE. SO ERNIE WON'T -- I DON'T THINK HE'S GOING TO JEOPARDIZE GETTING THE STREETS DONE BECAUSE HE'LL STOP WORK THERE TO GO PAVE A PARKING LOT, BUT IF WE WORK IT INTO HIS SCHEDULE, WE CAN DO THINGS LIKE THAT. >> Vaughn: I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE SO IMPORTANT TO FIX THE POTHOLES IT WOULD KEEP THAT MONEY FROM US SPENDING A BUNCH OF MONEY TO PUT CONCRETE ON IT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO LET ME KNOW RIGHT NOW, OVER THE YEARS, HAVE Y'ALL REQUESTED THE CITY COME OUT THERE AND DO ANYTHING TO THE PARKING LOT? >> SO SINCE LOOKING BACK, NO, I DON'T THINK THEY HAD EVER REQUESTED ANYONE TO COME AND LOOK AT THAT PARKING LOT. >> Vaughn: OKAY. I JUST THINK THAT WHOEVER'S MANAGING IT, THAT SHOULD BE A PRIORITY TO TAKE CARE OF THE FACILITIES. I MEAN, I THINK YOU HAVE -- THAT'S WHY OUR STREETS GOT IN THE POSITION THEY ARE RIGHT NOW, THE SHAPE THEY'RE IN, IS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T TAKE CARE OF THEM, AND THIS IS A CITY ASSET, I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE SO IMPORTANT AND I THINK MR. ZANONI DEPENDS ON HIS MANAGERS TO MAKE SURE THOSE THINGS ARE DONE, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PROPERTY IN THE CITY. SO NOT GETTING ONTO YOU, BECAUSE YOU'VE NOT BEEN THERE THE WHOLE TIME EITHER, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, WE'VE GOT TO STOP THIS. WE REALLY DO. I MEAN, WE'VE GOT TO FIX WHAT WE'VE GOT. THEN I WANT TO ASK, AND I'M NOT SURE WHO'S GOING TO ANSWER THIS, I WANT TO MAKE SURE ON THE FUNDING. WHERE IS THE FUNDING COMING FROM? I THOUGHT WE SAID INTEREST AND ARPA CORRECT? >> SO IT'S ARPA. >> Zanoni: TWO SOURCES, THE ARPA INTEREST AND MONEYS THAT WERE INITIALLY ALLOCATED FOR NEW KENNELS, SO WE'RE GOING TO NOT DO THE NEW KENNEL DESIGN AND USE THE MONEY FOR THIS. SO IT'S CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION. >> Vaughn: SO IT'S GOING TO BE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION. >> Zanoni: YEAH, THESE ARE PRIOR APPROVED, RIGHT, BY THE COUNCIL. >> Vaughn: IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. >> Zanoni: YEAH, THEY WERE PRIOR APPROVED. >> Mayor Guajardo: THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. >> Zanoni: THEY WERE ON THE BUDGET LAST YEAR. >> Vaughn: ALL RIGHT. SO THE PARKING LOT, IT'S A CIP. >> Zanoni: RIGHT. >> Vaughn: SO THAT'S FROM CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION. >> Zanoni: ANY TYPE OF -- RIGHT. THE FACILITIES WILL KIND OF TAKE ACCOMMODATIONS OF THE COS PLUS THE CASH PLUS THE INTEREST. >> Vaughn: OKAY. >> Zanoni: THE MAJORITY OF THIS WORK IS ALL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THOSE RECLASSIFICATIONS AND ADDITIONAL POSITIONS. >> Vaughn: OKAY. >> Zanoni: YEAH. >> Vaughn: I WOULD LIKE, MAYOR, FOR US TO LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE SPENDING ON THE CONCRETE. >> Mayor Guajardo: UH-HUH. >> Vaughn: I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE PULL THAT OFF AND LET THEM GO BACK AND REWORK IT AND JUST SEE WHAT ASPHALT COSTS AND SEE WHAT WE REALLY HAVE TO FIX OUT THERE, BECAUSE THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, WE MAY NOT SEE THIS MONEY FOR ANIMAL CONTROL AGAIN. WE'VE GOT KENNELS OUT THERE THAT NEED TO BE DONE, WE HAVE ONE KENNEL THAT WE'RE DOING. THAT IS IT OUT OF ALL THIS MONEY. THAT'S NOT GOING TO HELP OUR ANIMAL CONTROL. AND I GET IT ON THE ACS FOR THE EMPLOYEES, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT. I DON'T LIKE THE PRICE AND MY QUESTION IS, HOW MANY BITS DID Y'ALL GET FOR THAT, BECAUSE THAT SEEMS CRAZINESS, TOO, TO ME, WHICH YOU SEE THIS ALL THE TIME. AND I'M NOT GETTING ONTO YOU GUYS. I'M REALLY NOT. I'M JUST THINKING THAT MUCH FOR AN AIR CONDITIONER JUST BLOWS MY MIND. SO WE'RE GOING INTO OUR BUDGETS. SO I WOULD LIKE FOR Y'ALL TO CONSIDER THAT. >> Mayor Guajardo: WELL, I WOULD ADD TO THAT, COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN, THAT -- HANG ON A SECOND HERE. I UNDERSTAND AND WE RECOGNIZE -- I THINK WE ALL DO, THAT THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION. THERE'S ALWAYS A RECOMMENDATION. BUT WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO GO WITH THE RECOMMENDATION. THIS PARKING LOT HAS BEEN IN DISARRAY FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS. AND I SAID IT IN OUR MEETING, THE COUNCIL REALLY WANTED TO SEE THIS FUNDING GOING TOWARDS A DIRECT IMPACT, RIGHT, TO -- AND THIS IS A DIRECT IMPACT, BUT IT'S A PARKING LOT. THAT SAID, I KNOW IT'S PORPTD, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF THE SANITARY PART OF IT, BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I'M SAYING, WE CAN RECONSIDER THIS WHOLE THING. THERE IS NO PRESSING -- IT'S PRESSING ISSUE, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING, LIKE YOU SAID, THIS CAME ABOUT WITH A ONE-TIME -- YOU KNOW, IT'S A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, SO TO SPEAK BECAUSE IT'S ONE-TIME MONIES. I THINK WE COULD LOOK AT THE WHOLE THING AND IF WE REALLY WANT TO. BUT I DO WANT NUMBERS ON -- I'M WITH YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE NUMBERS ON ASPHALT. SO WE CAN LOOK TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT ARE THE PROS AND CONS OF THAT FOR THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY, RIGHT. >> Vaughn: YES. >> Mayor Guajardo: I THINK THESE ARE REGULAR VEHICLES THAT COME IN AND OUT. I KNOW THE TRUCKS ARE HEAVIER, BUT HOW MANY TRUCKS ARE WE GOING TO HAVE. WE CAN LOOK AT ALL OF THAT. I THINK OVERALL WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO DO. >> Vaughn: I THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT. I WANT TO SEE IT DONE FOR THE DOGS. I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE ANIMALS OUT THERE. I'M NOT SAYING YOU DON'T DO THE PARKING LOT, ALL I'M SAYING LET'S LOOK AT ASPHALT. IT'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR RESIDENTIAL STREETS, THEY DON'T HAVE THE POTHOLES. PLEASE COME FIX THE POTHOLES ON SPRING CREEK, I HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO PUSH MY STREET, BUT IT'S REALLY BAD. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO AND I WOULD PROPOSE TO DO THAT SOMEHOW THAT WE PULL -- MAYBE TABLE. >> Mayor Guajardo: WHY DON'T YOU TABLE. >> Vaughn: I MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE ITEM NUMBER 5. >> Mayor Guajardo: I'LL SECOND THAT. >> Zanoni: THE WHOLE ITEM OR JUST FOR THE PARKING LOT. >> Vaughn: I SAY LET'S REWORK THE WHOLE ITEM AND COME BACK AND LET US HAVE SOME KIND OF DISCUSSIONS AND COME BACK AND DISCUSS IT. >> Mayor Guajardo: YEAH. >> Zanoni: OKAY. >> ASPHALT AS I SAID EARLIER, ABOUT 375,000 IF YOU WANT TO GO THE ASPHALT OPTION. >> Vaughn: AND THAT'S FOR EVERYTHING, THE WHOLE PARKING LOT DEAL. >> IN THE BACK. >> Vaughn: AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE AN AREA UP THERE THAT HAS CONCRETE FOR THE WASH BAY. YOU'RE THE GUY THAT DOES IT. I'M NOT. BUT I'M JUST SAYING, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF WASH BAYS, I KNOW YOU HAVE TO DO PLUMBING AND ALL THAT AND DRAINAGE, SO IF WE COULD GET A SEPARATE AMOUNT FOR THE WASH BAY, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT. >> Mayor Guajardo: NO, I AGREE. AND I THINK -- WE CAN SIT HERE AND DISCUSS THIS FOR QUITE A WHILE, BECAUSE I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS, YES, GIVE US A PRICE ON ASPHALT, BUT THAT NEEDS TO INCLUDE THE MAINTENANCE ON ASPHALT, THAT NEEDS TO INCLUDE HOW MANY TRUCKS ARE IN AND OUT OF THERE, SO THERE'S SOME ANALYSIS TO DO HERE TO SAY, OKAY, COUNCIL, IF YOU GO ASPHALT, HERE ARE THE PROS AND CONS BASED ON THE TRAFFIC, THE TRUCKS. THE MAINTENANCE, THERE HAS TO BE MAINTENANCE INCLUDED IN THIS, EVEN IF IT WAS CONCRETE, BUT WE KNOW THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, A LONGER -- THE LONGEVITY IS GREATER THAN ASPHALT, BUT IT'S FOR KNOWLEDGE, TO KNOW. IS IT WORTH SPENDING SOME OF THIS MONEY MAYBE OVER TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, THE KENNELS OR SOME OTHER GREAT NEED THAT BEHAVE. W. SO I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME WORK BASED ON THIS. IF WE'RE TABLING, WHICH WE JUST TABLED TO REGROUP AND START WITH THE ASPHALT AND THAT ANALYSIS. >> Zanoni: JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, THE RAM WILL STOP WORK ON THE WHOLE -- ON EVERYTHING, FOR THE AIR CONDITIONING FOR THE KENNELS HE'S NOT GOING TO DO MY MORE WORK UNTIL THIS COMES BACK TO COUNCIL. IF IT'S JUST THE ONLY ISSUE IS THE PARKING LOT, WE COULD REMOVE THAT AND HAVE HIM KEEP WORKING ON AIR CONDITIONING, ON THE OTHER TWO PROBABILITIES PROBPROJECTS THAT ARE LISTED HERE OTHERWISE HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO STOP. >> Vaughn: I THINK THE COUNCIL WANTS TO DO THE KENNEL, AND I ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM LEAVING THE KENNEL IN SO HE CAN GET BUSY ON THAT. MY QUESTION ON THAT, DID YOU SAY LAST TIME THIS WAS KIND OF AN EXAMPLE OR DID YOU NOT KNOW IT WAS GOING TO WORK IN THE KENNEL, SOMEONE SAID THAT TO ME EARLIER? >> SO WE -- IT'S GOING TO WORK, AS LONG AS OPERATIONS, THE STAFF MAINTAINS IT PROPERLY. CLOSES DOORS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE OPERATIONS MANUAL, THAT THEY'RE DOING IT CORRECTLY. IF THEY'RE LEAVING DOORS OPEN AND MAYBE WE HAVE TO GO IN THERE AND PUT, YOU KNOW, HARDER SWINGS, UNION DOORS. I MEAN, THE SYSTEM WORKS ONCE IT'S CLOSED BUT IF PEOPLE START LEAVING DOORS OPEN, PROPPING THEM OPEN AND THINGS START TO WORK LIKE THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO, THEN, YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PROBLEMS. >> Vaughn: WELL, WE HAVE TO DO THAT AT HOME, TOO, DON'T WE. IF YOU GET A CONDOMINIUM COMPLEX OUT AT THE WATER, YOUR AC TURNS OFF WHEN YOUR BALCONY DOORS OPEN. WE'LL HAVE TO RETROACTIVE PUT IN PLACE IF THINGS DON'T WORK TO PROPERLY. >> Zanoni: THE BUILDINGS WERE BUILT NOT TO BE AIR CONDITIONING, SO THAT'S WHAT RAM WAS SAYING CAN WE RECONSTRUCT THEM SO TO SPEAK SO THEY CAN BE AIR CONDITIONED. INSTEAD OF DOING ALL THREE, THE GOAL IS TO PILOT THE ONE, SEE WHAT WORKS AND THEN DO THE OTHER TWO. >> Vaughn: MY CONCERN IS WE'RE DOING A LOT OF MONEY JUST TO PILOT SOMETHING. I CAN TELL BY YOUR FACE YOU ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THIS DECISION YOU'RE MAKING HERE. >> Zanoni: NO, IT'S FINE. I WOULD RECOMMEND KEEP GOING. IF THE ISSUE WAS THE PARKING LOT. I WOULDN'T STOP ALL BUSINESS. >> I'VE GOT ALL YOUR ANSWERS FOR YOU. IF YOU DO ASPHALT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REDO THE PARKING LOT IF 15 YEARS. >> Vaughn: I KNOW, BUT HOPEFULLY IN 15 YEARS WE'LL HAVE SOME MORE MONEY. THAT'S MY CONCERN. WE HAVE THAT WITH THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS, TOO, BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE AN IMPACT FOR ANIMAL CONTROL, WHAT IT'S GOING TO DO FOR THE ANIMALS AND I'M NOT SEEING THAT IF WE SPEND -- LET ME JUST MAKE THE MOTION TO PULL OFF THE PARKING LOT AND THAT YOU GUYS WILL COME BACK TO SOMETHING -- AMEND THE MOTION TO PULL OFF THE PARKING LOT. >> City Secretary: LET'S WITHDRAW THE TABLE, RIGHT, IS THAT WHOO YOU WANT TO DO. >> Vaughn: YES. >> Student: AND MAKE THAT MOTION TO AMEND. >> Mayor Guajardo: I SECONDED THE FIRST ONE. >> City Secretary: AND THEN THERE'S A MOTION TO AMEND TO REMOVE THE PARKING LOT. >> Zanoni: JUST FOR THE RECORD, IT'S NOTED HERE IN THE AGENDA MATERIAL AS A FIELD OPERATIONS MAINTENANCE YARD, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL TAKE OFF. IT HAS $821,000 BUDGET. AND WE'LL COME BACK AT SOME FUTURE TIME ON THAT ONE. >> Vaughn: OKAY. >> Zanoni: I THINK THERE'S CONSENSUS ON THE COUNCIL TO CONTINUE WITH THE STAFFING CHANGES AND THE OTHER THREE CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WILL BENEFIT THE DOGS. >> Vaughn: AND WE WOULD LIKE THE OTHER -- WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS. >> Zanoni: WE'LL BRING IT BACK IN JULY. >> Vaughn: OKAY. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. LET'S GET THE COMMENTS AND THEN WE'LL DO THE VOTE. >> City Secretary: OKAY. COUNCILMA N CANTU? >> Cantu: I AM JUST NOT HAPPY WITH THE PRICE OF THE ACS. I MEAN, A MILLION DOLLARS IS A LOT OF MONEY. I WENT OUT THERE A FEW WEEKS AGO IN THE BUILDING, THE OFFICE BUILDING SEEMS REALLY NICE AND COOL, YOU KNOW. MY OPINION, I'M NOT THERE ALL THE TIME, BUT EITHER WAY, A MILLION DOLLARS IS A LOT OF MONEY. I REALLY THINK WE SHOULD, AS A COUNCIL, FIND SOME LOCAL BUSINESSES THAT WILL HELP THESE ANIMALS. I THINK THERE'S PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO GET INVOLVED AND GIVE US A BETTER BID. I THINK A MILLION DOLLARS IS A LOT OF MONEY. I MEAN, THIS IS NOT -- THIS IS NOT A DIRECT IMPACT THAT WE NEEDED. THE DIRECT IMPACT WE NEED IS STOP KILLING DOGS FOR SPACE. THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE HAVING. AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST -- I JUST -- I DON'T SEE MYSELF VOTING ON THIS BECAUSE WE'RE JUST WASTING A MILLION DOLLARS ON ACS, $800,000 ON A PARKING LOT. I MEAN, WHAT ARE WE DOING FOR THE ANIMALS. >> ALL OF THAT DIRECTLY IMPACTS THE ANIMALS. >> Cantu: BUT WE'RE KILLING ANIMALS EVERY DAY. >> WE DON'T KILL ANIMALS EVERY DAY NO SIR. >> Cantu: HOW OFTEN DO Y'ALL KILL ANIMALS? >> WE HUMANELY EUTHANIZE WHEN NEEDED. SO IF AN ANIMAL IS DEEPLY INJURED OR SICK AND WE DO NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY TO CARE FOR THEM. FOR SPACE ONLY, WHEN ALL OTHER AVENUES ARE EXHAUSTED. >> Cantu: YEAH. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT, RESPECTFULLY. >> YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO COME AND VISIT US, SIR, AND SPEND THE DAY WITH US. >> Cantu: THE FACT IS THAT THE DIRECT IMPACT SHOULD BE TO MAKE THE SHELTER MORE BETTER THAN KILLING ANIMALS FOR SPACE OR JUST LABELING THEM, THEY'RE SICK AND WE'RE GOING TO KILL THEM. I MEAN, THAT'S JUST THE BOTTOM LINE. BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. I DON'T SEE WHY WE'RE SPENDING A MILLION DOLLARS. THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY FOR ACS, YOU KNOW, I REALLY LIKE TO PUT THIS -- TABLE THE AC, TOO, SO I CAN MAKE SOME PHONE CALLS AND SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME LOCAL BIDDERS HERE THAT WILL HELP US WITH THIS BECAUSE I AM SURE THAT SOMEBODY COULD BEAT THIS PRICE TO PUT -- FOR ACS IN THESE BUILDINGS. A MILLION DOLLARS IS A LOT OF MONEY, YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THIS MONEY AGAIN. I MEAN, WE'RE LUCKY WE HAVE THIS $4 MILLION AND WE'RE GOING TO SPEND IT ON A PARKING LOT AND BUILDING, SPEND A MILLION DOLLARS FOR ACS, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST -- THAT'S JUST -- THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY, PETER. I MEAN, I JUST -- >> Zanoni: COUNCILMAN, SO THESE ARE PROBABLE -- RAM CAN EXPLAIN IT, BUT THESE ARE PROBABLE COST ESTIMATES, THEY'RE NOT EVEN AN ENGINEERED ESTIMATE. SO JUST UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THERE'S NO -- A ROBUST ESTIMATE USUALLY HAS SOME PRICE THAT'S GOT FROM LOCAL BIDDERS, SO THESE ARE PROBABLE COST ESTIMATES BASED ON -- >> Cantu: SO WE HAVEN'T GOT NO BIDS YET. >> Zanoni: RIGHT. ALL THIS WORK WILL BE DONE LOCALLY. WE'RE NOT GOING INTO WASHINGTON, D.C. TO HIRE SOMEBODY TO PUT IN A AC. RAM IS THE HIRED HELP TO HELP US PUT IN THE PROGRAM. ENGINEERS LIKE RAM GENERALLY GO ON THE HIGHER HIGHER SIDE TO MAKE SURE THERE'S ENOUGH FUNDING. THESE ARE PROBABLE COST ESTIMATE AT A VERY LOW CERTAINTY VALUE, IF YOU WILL. RAM PUT THEM TOGETHER -- >> Cantu: BUT ONCE WE APPROVE THIS MILLION DOLLARS, THEY'RE GOING TO SUCK IT ALL UP. >> Zanoni: NO. SO ANY SAVINGS IN THE PROJECT BUDGET WILL STAY IN THIS PROJECT. THE 4 MILLION WILL BE WITH ANIMAL CARE AND THE GOAL IS TO REALIZE SAVINGS, AND THEN DO EVEN MORE, BECAUSE THERE'S A LONG -- THERE'S PROBABLY THREE TIMES, FOUR TIMES AS MUCH NEED OUT THERE -- >> Cantu: I JUST FEEL LIKE WE NEED MORE KENNELS. WE HAVE A PROBLEM IN CORPUS RIGHT NOW, WE NEED MORE KENNELS. >> Zanoni: YEAH. >> Cantu: THAT'S JUST -- WE'VE GOT TO SAVE AS MANY ANIMALS AS POSSIBLE AS WE CAN. I MEAN, I JUST -- IT'S CRAZY. >> Zanoni: NOT TO JUST CONSIDER THAT WE NEED MORE STAFF TO HAVE MORE KENNELS, SO NOW WE NEED $5 MILLION, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT -- YOU NEED ANIMAL CARE OFFICERS TO GO PICK UP THE DOGS, YOU NEED ATTENDANTS AT THE SHELTER, YOU NEED VETERINARIANS TO MANAGE THEM, SO EVERYTHING QUICKLY GETS MORE AND MORE EXPENSIVE. >> Cantu: YEAH. >> Zanoni: THE REASON WE'RE RECOMMENDING NOT DOING THE ADMISSION ADDITIONAL KENNELS IS BECAUSE WE FRANKLY DON'T HAVE THE OPERATING CAPACITY TO TAKE IN MORE STRAY DOGS. WE BARELY HAVE THE CAPACITY RIGHT NOW TO, ONE, MAINTAIN THE KENNELS. TWO, TAKE CARE OF THE THE DOGS HUMANELY, THREE, GETTING A VETERINARIAN OVER THERE IF WE NEED TO, AND BEGINNING TO GO TO THE FIELD TO PICK THEM UP. >> Cantu: I WOULD LIKE TO JUST STOP EVERYTHING AND RELOOK AT EVERYTHING BEFORE WE -- >> Zanoni: WE CAN DO THAT IF YOU WANT -- IF YOU WANT TO PULL THE WHOLE THING OFF, WE'LL BRING IT BACK IN 30 DAYS. COUNCILMA N, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BHOAL ITEM? >> Cantu: THE WHOLE ITEM, YES, MA'AM. THAT'S MY OPINION. I THINK WE SHOULD JUST RELOOK AT EVERYTHING AND STUFF. I JUST FEEL IT'S JUST TOO MUCH -- IT'S JUST WAY TOO MUCH MONEY. >> Zanoni: WE CAN DO THAT. >> Mayor Guajardo: WELL. >> Zanoni: WE DID BRIEF ALL THE COUNCILMEMBERS AND WE GAVE TOURS, BUT IF YOU WANT -- NO PROBLEM, IF YOU WANT TO DELAY IT, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. >> Mayor Guajardo: WELL, YEAH, THAT WAS THE NEXT THING IS, PETER, IF YOU GUYS CAN PLEASE EXPLAIN -- ACTUALLY, IT WOULD BE STAFF, WHAT IS THE OPTION TO HIS POINT? WHAT IS THE OPTION OUTSIDE OF GOING THROUGH -- BECAUSE THIS IS A CONTRACT, CORRECT? >> Zanoni: RIGHT, YEAH, RAM'S CONTRACT. >> Mayor Guajardo: SO WHAT'S THE OPTION OUTSIDE OF THAT TO MAKE -- TO -- >> Zanoni: THERE IS NONE. IF YOU WANT A PROFESSIONAL TO DO IT, THEN WE HIRE RAM OR SOME OTHER COMPANY. RAM WAS ONE OF OUR -- >> Mayor Guajardo: WHAT I'M SAYING, WE'RE HEARING AND EVERYBODY AGREES A MILLION DOLLARS FOR AN AC, $800,000 FOR A PARKING LOT. >> Zanoni: YEAH. >> Mayor Guajardo: NO, I UNDERSTAND. WHAT I'M SAYING, IS THERE NO OTHER OPTION OUTSIDE OF THIS? IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU GO OUT FOR BID, BECAUSE THIS DIDN'T, THEN WE'RE TALKING HOW MANY MONTHS? >> Zanoni: WE WOULD PROBABLY USE ON-CALL CONTRACTORS, SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE -- IN FACT, THERE'S SOME ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA TODAY TO USE AN ON-CALL CONTRACTOR, BUT THESE PRICES -- LET ME HAVE RAM, BECAUSE HE'S THE PROFESSIONAL, THE ENGINEER TALK ABOUT HOW YOU GOT TO THESE PRICES, RAM. >> THE NUMBERS YOU'VE GOT RIGHT THERE, THEY'RE PROBABLY LIKE 25% OVER THE NUMBER RIGHT THERE, BECAUSE THERE'S SOME UNCERTAINTIES WE HAVEN'T DISCOVERED. WE'LL START GOING THERE, WE'LL START BUILDING, OPEN UP ATTIC SPACE, CHECKING EVERYTHING IN THERE. THE NUMBERS YOU SEE BASED NUMBERS ARE BASED ON HISTORICAL PRICES WE HAVE ALREADY FROM PREVIOUS PROBABILITIES TO THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI. IF YOU'RE LOOKING OUT THERE FOR A PROCUREMENT, RIGHT, THE PRICES AREN'T GOING TO CHANGE MUCH, THEY MAY COME DOWN, YOU KNOW, 5% HERE AND THERE, BUT IF YOU WERE TO PUT THIS PROJECT OUT TO BID, THE UNIT RATES ARE GOING TO BE THE UNIT RATES. >> Mayor Guajardo: CAN YOU REPEAT THAT. IF WE WERE TO PUT IT OUT FOR BID WHAT? >> THE UNIT RATES WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE GENERALLY THE SAME ACROSS THE BOARD FOR EVERY GENERAL CONTRACTOR. THEY'RE GOIN GOING TO HIRE AN HVAC CONTRACTOR, AND THOSE NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW ARE NUMBERS THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST FROM THE SUBCONTRACTORS, AND WE PUT THE MARGIN INCREASE IN THERE FOR THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR TO GET WHERE WE'RE AT TO DAY. IF YOU DID A PUBLIC BID OR DID ALL THOSE NUMBERS OR YOU DID FMAC, THE DIFFERENTIAL IS 10%, GIVE OR TAKE. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. AND WHAT ABOUT TIME-WISE HOW QUICKLY ARE YOU ABLE TO DO -- PUT IN, LET'S SAY, THE AIR CONDITIONING UNIT? >> WE'RE GOING TO START DOING IT RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GOING TO START DESIGN AND GO PROCURE THE CONTRACTOR THROUGH WHATEVER PROCUREMENT PROCESS THE CITY WANTS US TO USE. WE'RE NOT CONTRACTOR, WE'RE THE ENGINEER. >> Zanoni: HE'S NOT THE CONTRACTOR, HE'S THE DESIGN ENGINEER. HE'S NOT PUTTING IN ANYTHING, HE'S DESIGNING THIS. >> Mayor Guajardo: RIGHT. >> Zanoni: LOCAL VENDORS, EITHER THE ONES WE HAVE ON CALL OR WE MAY COMPETITIVELY PUT IT OUT FOR BID. LIKE THE ROOF, AS AN EXAMPLE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ROOFERS ON STAND BY. BUT IF THE COUNCIL WANTS MORE TIME TO VET THIS THROUGH, THAT'S OKAY. WE'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR, YOU KNOW, SOME TIME. IT'S NOT LIKE ANOTHER COUPLE MONTHS IS GOING TO CAUSE AN ISSUE. >> Mayor Guajardo: RIGHT. OKAY. WELL, COUNCILMAN, I'M GOING TO GET SOME MORE COMMENTS. COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ? >> Hernandez: THANK YOU. I DON'T SPEAK AS MUCH AS YOU. >> Barrera: [OFF MIC] >> Campos: IT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED. >> Hernandez: I THINK I HAVE THE FLOOR HERE, COUNCILMAN BARRERA. YOU KNOW, PETER, A LOT OF THIS HAS A LITTLE MESSY BECAUSE YOU BUNDLED EVERYTHING INTO A SINGLE ITEM. YOU MADE ADJUSTMENTS TO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT AS WELL ASPIRATING BUDGETS ALL IN ONE THING WITH FUNDING THAT KIND OF BLENDED IT ALL TOGETHER. I THINK T IT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER TO HAVE THIS IN SEPARATE -- WITH THE OPERATING BUDGET AMENDMENTS AND THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT AMENDMENTS. ALSO WITH REGARDS TO THE PARKING LOT, I KNOW WE'VE DONE PUBLIC WORKS AS -- I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE A PROCESS OF ASSIGNING A BUDGET OR CHARGING DEPARTMENTS WITH REGARDS TO THIS. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CONSISTENT OR NOT. I KNOW OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES HAD THEIR PARKING LOT REDONE A FEW YEARS AGO. I BELIEVE THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT -- WHAT WAS IT, SOMETHING WAS DONE IN FLOUR BLUFF FOR THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT FOR THEIR PARKING LOT. BILL WITT, THE PARKING, THE ROADWAY WAS DONE THERE. I -- HOW IS THAT DONE? IS THERE A PROCESS FOR HOW THAT IS CHARGED TO DEPARTMENTS OR IS IT -- DO YOU HAVE SOME -- SOMETHING IN PLACE? >> Zanoni: YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE -- OH, ERNIE'S HERE, SO LET'S HAVE ERNIE COME ON DOWN AND HE'LL TELL YOU. >> Hernandez: SO, YEAH, THE WHOLE REASON WE BROUGHT UP THAT PARKING LOT ISSUE IS BECAUSE WE'VE DONE IT. >> Zanoni: YOU'RE CORRECT. SO PAVING -- YOU KNOW, THE DRIVEWAY INTO BILL WITT IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE THIS ONE WOULD HAVE AN OIL/GAS GREASE SEPARATOR, A WASH BAY, A LITTLE MORE COMPLEX THAN JUST A STRAIGHT PARKING LOT BUT HAVE ERNIE EXPLAIN WHAT HE'S DONE. >> MAYOR COUNCIL, ERNIE DE LA GARZA, INTERIM C ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. WE'VE DONE A PARKING LOT FOR THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WHAT WE DID IS INITIALLY WE GO AND ASSESS THE AREA, PROVIDE OUR VERSION OF A COST ESTIMATE TO THE DIRECTOR, AND THEN TELL THEM, LOOK, THIS IS WHAT WE THINK IT NEEDS, THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST, AND THEN WE GIVE THEM OPTIONS. WE SAY THIS IS THE NICE TO HAVE, THIS IS THE ECONOMICAL, SO ON AND SO FORTH, BASED ON WHAT WE THINK THEY NEED AND WHAT THEY CAN AFFORD. AND THEN THEY GO AND CHECK THEIR BUDGETS AND THEN AFTER THEY GO CHECK THEIR BUDGET, THEY'LL TELL US TO INITIATE WORK OR NOT TO INITIATE WORK. AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE OUR REGULAR SCHEDULE THAT WE'RE HELD TO AS FAR AS THE RPP AND EVERYTHING ELSE, SO IN THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT EXAMPLE, IF IT'S OFFSEASON, THEN WE'RE ABLE TO GO IN THERE AND DO THAT WORK A LOT EASIER THAN IF WE'RE PAVING CURRENTLY RIGHT IN THE SUMMER. SO ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS THE BILL WITT WORK THAT WE DID AT THE BILL WITT SWIMMING POOL, WE HAD TO DIVERT RESOURCES FROM THE RAPID PAYMENT PROGRAM, THE CLOSEST PAVING TEAM WAS AT KINGS CROSSING, AND IN THAT CASE, WE TOOK THAT TEAM OFF AND THEN WITHIN ABOUT A WEEK'S TIME, THE RESIDENTS WERE CALLING TELLING US, WHERE DID YOU GO? COME BACK. AND SO THAT WAS AN INTERESTING ONE BECAUSE WE HAD TO. >> Hernandez: WE HAD SOME RAIN. >> WE HAD SOME RAIN AND IT ALSO ADDED ABOUT A WEEK, SO, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE ON THE -- YOU KNOW, TRACKING THE WORK, THEY KNOW THE RPP JUST AS WELL AS WE DO, SO THEY'RE TRACKING OUR PROGRESS. AND SO AS A RESULT OF THAT, WE ADDED ANOTHER CREW TO BACKFILL THE LACK OF PROGRESS DUE TO THE WORK AT THE BILL WITT. AND SO IN THAT CASE, PARKS GIVES US, YOU KNOW, THE BUDGET, AND THEN WE GO AND WE -- THEY PAY US, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THEIR BUDGETS AS WELL. AND THERE MIGHT BE SITUATIONS WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ONLY AFFORD 20. WE'LL SAY, OKAY, WELL, WE'LL HANDLE THE REST, THE DELTA WITH MATERIAL COST, SO WE HAVE THAT ABILITY TO, YOU KNOW, ASSIST SOME DEPARTMENTS, DEPENDING ON IF WE HAVE AN OVERFLOW OF MATERIALS IN OUR END DUMPS AND WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANY WASTE ON THE JOB, WE CAN USE THAT MATERIAL ON THE PROJECT. SO THERE ARE SOME BENEFITS, BUT I THINK OUR BIGGEST CRITICAL CONSTRAINT THE GOING TO BE OUR TIME AWAY FROM THE REGULAR PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE USING OUR TEAMS. >> Hernandez: OKAY. SO JUST FROM LISTENING TO YOU, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY AND GRAY AREA WITH REGARDS TO HOW YOU DO THIS. >> YEAH. >> Hernandez: MAYBE WE CAN GET SOME COST ESTIMATES AS THE PROBABILITIES THEY'VE DONE AND HOW MUCH IT'S COST THEM FOR US. YOU KNOW, THIS COULD BE DONE PRETTY EASILY, SO WE -- YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN WE DO IN-HOUSE THAT CAN SAVE US A LOT OF MONEY, BECAUSE SOME OF THIS MONEY COULD BE REPURPOSED FOR OTHER KENNELS OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO STOP WORK, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE MAXIMIZING THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE. AND, AGAIN, I'D PREFER THAT WE -- IT MAY NOT BE THE PERFECT SOLUTION IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU WANT TO GET ACCOMPLISHED, BUT IF YOU CAN SPREAD OUT YOUR RESOURCES A LITTLE BIT MORE TO GET MORE DONE, I THINK, WOULD BE JUST AS BENEFICIAL, AND WE CAN CIRCUMVENT SOME OF THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH PROCUREMENT OF A CONTRACTOR TO DO THE PARKING LOT BY DOING IT IN-HOUSE. AM I CORRECT? >> RIGHT. LIKE I SAID, THE MAIN COMPONENT TO CONSIDER IS TIME. >> Hernandez: I'M WITH YOU. >> WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS. >> Hernandez: WE'VE ALL GOT TO KIND OF MANAGE OUR RESOURCES. THAT'S THE WHOLE IDEA IS MAGGING OUR RESOURCES. >> Mayor Guajardo: WHAT DOES HE MEAN BY THAT? SO CAN YOU PLEASE FURTHER EXPLAIN THE MAIN CONCERN IS TIME BECAUSE -- >> RIGHT. SO RIGHT NOW, ALL OUR PAVING TEAMS ARE SCHEDULED FOR THE WHOLE SUMMER. >> Mayor Guajardo: RIGHT. >> AND THEN NEXT FISCAL YEAR. SO IF WE DIVERT SOME OF THOSE RESOURCES TO WORK ON A PARKING LOT. >> Mayor Guajardo: THEN IT PUTS YOU IN A DIFFICULT POSITION. >> IT IMPACTS OUR WORK -- >> Hernandez: I'M NOT ASKING US TO DO ANYTHING WE'RE NOT ALREADY DOING. HE JUST SAID THEY DID THE PUBLIC HEALTH PARKING LOT, WE DID THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES PARKING LOT, WE DID BILL WITT -- SOME OF THE ROADWORK ON BILL WITT. THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE DO INTERNALLY ON TOP OF THE RPP, SO IT'S NOT -- I'M NOT ASKING US TO LOOK AT DOING ANYTHING DIFFERENT. IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, SAYING, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO STOP DOING STREETS SO WE CAN DO THIS PARKING LOT. THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING. >> Mayor Guajardo: BUT I THINK HE'S SAYING HE'S GOT TO SCHEDULE IT, WHICH MEANS IT'S GOING TO GO TO 2029. >> Hernandez: NO, I DON'T -- >> AN EXAMPLE IS I ACTUALLY TOLD OUR TEAM AFTER THE BILL WITT, I TOLD THEM WE'RE GOING TO STOP PARKING LOTS UNTIL AFTER THE SUMMER. >> Hernandez: AND THAT'S FINE. >> SO WE HAVE ACTUALLY GIVEN THAT DIRECTION TO THE STAFF AND TO THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS REQUESTING THE WORK, SO WE ALWAYS DO -- SO TO CLARIFY, WE DO SEND OUR POTHOLE TEAMS AND WE DON'T CHARGE FOR POTHOLES. >> Hernandez: SO WE HAVE SOME POTHOLES, YOU MIGHT WANT TO SEND SOME. >> WE CAN DO THAT VERY EASILY, SO WE DON'T CHARGE THE DEPARTMENT POTHOLE. >> Hernandez: IF THIS DOES GET PULLED OFF, WE'D LIKE TO CLEAN IT AUTOPSY UP A LITTLE BIT SO WE KNOW WHERE THE MONEY'S GOING. THIS IS ASSIGNING A BUDGET AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE MAXIMIZING THE DOLLARS. THANK YOU. COUNCILWO MAN PAXSON? >> Paxson: THANK YOU, MAYOR. IT SOUNDS LIKE THE GIST OF IT RIGHT NOW IS DO WE TABLE THE ENTIRE ITEM OR DO WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE MOTION THAT'S HERE, WHICH IS JUST TO TAKE FOR REEVALUATION THE PAVING PORTION, WHICH I'M INTERESTED IN NOT STALLING ON THOSE THREE NEW STAFF POSITIONS. TO ME, THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT COMPONENT IN THIS ITEM. SO I'D LIKE TO KEEP THAT IN THE CONSIDERATION PORTION. AND THEN I THINK WHAT'S REALLY DIFFICULT FOR US TO DIGEST RIGHT NOW IS THESE ARE JUST BIG DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT ARE VAGUE. AND I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE HERE TO ENGINEER AND DRAW, TO DO THE DRAWINGS, BUT THAT LEAVES US IN THE PREDICAMENT, LIKE YOU'RE HEARING ACROSS THE TABLE, WHAT IS THE PROCESS? WHERE ARE WE AT? WELL, IF WE STOP NOW AND GO OUT FOR BIDS, THAT'S MONTHS ADDING TO THE PROJECT. WE ALREADY HAVE AN ENGINEER THAT'S DOING DRAWINGS, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU SAID WHAT YOU'RE GIVING US AS HAS ESSENTIALLY THAT 25% BUFFER ZONE, WHICH MAKES THESE NUMBERS THAT HARD TO DIGEST, AND I THINK WHAT COUNCILMAN CANTU WAS KIND OF ALLUDING TO IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP AS FAR AS WELL, YOU'RE GOING TO GO OUT TO BID AND YOU SAID YOU'LL FOLLOW WHATEVER -- LIKE YOUR WORK WITH THE CITY FOR THAT PROCUREMENT PROCESS. BUT THEN WE DON'T KNOW, ARE WE GOING TO SEE SOME OF THAT COME BACK? ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO KNOW THAT THE ITEM'S A MILLION FOR THE AIR CONDITIONERS, IT'S ACTUALLY ONLY GOING TO BE 700,000. SO THERE'S JUST STUFF LIKE THAT, A LOT OF VAGUENESS TO THESE HUGE DOLLAR AMOUNTS. I'M JUST CONCERNED, I SEE AND I SEM PA THAI, I THINK I WAS ONE LAST WEEK THAT WAS SAYING OVER AND OVER AGAIN, I'M GETTING SERIOUS HEARTBURN OVER $800,000 ON PAVING, WHEN WE NEED TO -- YOU KNOW, I THINK OUR PRIORITIES IS, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, FOR SPACE FOR THE ANIMALS, CARE FOR THE ANIMALS, THAT TYPE OF THING. SO BECAUSE OF THAT, IF I'M HEARING THAT YOU'RE STILL GOING TO GO OUT THROUGH A PROCUREMENT PROCESS, COMPETITIVE BIDDING, ONCE YOU'VE SPECCED OUT HOW DO WE AIR CONDITION OR CLIMATE CONTROL THIS FACILITY THAT BEANT WASN'T BUILT FOR THAT, ONCE YOU'VE DETERMINED THAT, THEN YOU'LL GO OUT TO BIDS FOR THE ACTUAL COST, TO ME THAT'S L LITTLE MORE PALATABLE TO ME. IF WE CAN HEAR FOLLOW-UP ON THAT, I'M A LITTLE MORE INTERESTED IN THAT ITEM, BUT I DON'T WANT TO PAUSE ON THE STAFFING, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO PAUSE ON THAT. I THINK WHAT'S BEFORE US IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE PAVING BUT TO HEAR SOME MORE OPTIONS, HEAR SOME MORE INFORMATION. TO ME, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD SPOT TO BE IN. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN. COUNCILMAN BARRERA? >> Barrera: MR. MUÑOZ, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING AVAILABLE. SO THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TO APPROVE A MIDYEAR BUDGET ADJUSTMENT. IT'S NOT -- AND I THINK STAFF IS JUST BEING CLEAR ON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO REAPPROPRIATE FUNDS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROPRIATED, BUT JUST NEED TO BE REDESIGNATED FOR SPECIFIC ITEMS. THE ITEMS HAVE NOT BEEN PROCURED AS OF YET. THAT'S -- AND I'M NOT -- I DON'T -- I DON'T BELIEVE IN CYNICAL GOVERNING, SAYING THAT -- AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE CRITICAL OF ANYBODY, I'M JUST SAYING MY BELIEF, IF WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO SPEND -- WE APPROPRIATE $100,000, IT'S NOT LIKE EVERY BID IS GOING TO COME IN AT 800 OR OVER 900. THAT'S -- IT'S MY OPINION. AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES THAT WE HAVE SAVINGS, I KNOW I TALKED TO HEATHER YESTERDAY ABOUT SEVERAL PROJECTS THAT CAME UNDER WITH REGARD TO ENGINEERING THAT WERE BOND PROJECTS IN DESIGN. SO EVERY -- EVERY MONTH OR EVERY QUARTER WE REAPPROPRIATE OR WE REBALANCE, THAT'S OUR SYSTEM. >> Zanoni: RIGHT. >> Barrera: YEAH. SO I JUST -- ALL WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS APPROPRIATING FUNDS. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE MOVE FORWARD, BECAUSE THERE'S STILL A WHOLE SYSTEM OF CHECKS AND BALANCES. IT STILL HAS TO BE DESIGNED. AT WHAT POINT -- AT WHAT -- WHAT PERCENTAGE OF A DESIGN ARE YOU AT RIGHT NOW? >> RIGHT AROUND 30%. >> Barrera: SO WE'RE RIGHT AT 30% RIGHT NOW SO WE'RE JUST APPROPRIATING FUNDS FORCE THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS AND TO HIRE THE EMPLOYEES. RIGHT NOW I'M SURE HE'S GOING TO WHITTLE THAT NUMBER DOWN AT SOMEWHAT ONCE WE GET THERE TO BE ABLE TO DETERMINE THAT. I MEAN, THIS IS JUST A PROCESS OF APPROPRIATING FUNDS, BECAUSE ALL WE'RE DOING -- AND ONE SIDE, WE SAY GOVERNMENT IS SLOW, WELL, WE'RE SLOWING IT DOWN RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW, I MEAN -- I MEAN, I THINK HE'S GOT A CLEAR DIRECTION OF WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO AND HE'S GOT A CLEAR DIRECTION THAT WE WANT MORE KENNELS, OR THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL WANTS MORE KENNELS. I WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT YOUR TEAM HAS DONE A -- YOU KNOW, WHEN I TOOK THE TOUR OUT THERE, I MEAN, IT'S REALLY EYE OPENING. YOU KNOW, I SHARED IT WITH OTHER PEOPLE THAT I KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, DOING THE WORK YOU'RE DOING WITH THE LITTLE THAT YOU HAVE AND THE FACT THAT IT WAS NEGLECTED FOR SO MANY YEARS, AND THEN NOW YOU'VE HAD THE ASSESSMENT COME IN, TELL ME HOW DO WE FIX THIS. SO I JUST THINK THAT WE'RE NOT AT THAT POINT TO DETERMINE -- I MEAN, WE CAN STILL APPROVE THIS AND YOU CAN STILL DECIDE WHETHER YOU CAN USE CONCRETE OR ASPHALT, IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT OUR GOALS ARE. I SAY THAT, WHAT'S OUR GOAL, WHAT'S OUR MISSION, WHAT'S OUR VISION. OKAY, YEAH, WE WANT TO PROTECT THE TAXPAYER'S MONEY. THIS IS THE GENTLEMAN THAT WE JUUSE, THE PROFESSIONAL THAT WE UTILIZE BASED ON INDUSTRY PRACTICES THAT WE'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH AND WHAT GOALS WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. I THINK WE JUST NEED TO MOVE FORWARD ON JUST APPROPRIATING THE BUDGET. IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT MANAGEMENT PRACTICES, YOU KNOW, HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO TAKE YOU TO COMPLETE THE ENGINEERING? >> BY THE TIME WE GET DONE WITH THE DRAWINGS AND REVISING THE PROCUREMENT DOCUMENTS, A COUPLE WEEKS FROM HERE. >> Barrera: A CUP COUPLE WEEKS FROM HERE? >> RIGHT. >> Barrera: MY PROCESS TYPICALLY WHEN WE GO THROUGH THIS, I CALL THE MANAGER OR WHOEVER IT IS THAT I MEET WITH, THE ACM, AND I SAY HERE'S WHAT MY CONCERNS ARE, TELL ME HOW THIS IS GOING TOP HA. I DON'T TRY TO MANAGE FROM THE DAIS, SO I JUST -- I JUST THINK WE SHOULD APPROVE IT AS IS. I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY HEARTBURN IF YOU JUST WANT TO PULL OUT THE PARKING LOT, BUT I THINK WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT HOW THIS IS A COMPONENT THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS, AND I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE THE PART THAT'S HOLDING IT UP. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN? >> Vaughn: GOOD POINTS, I AGREE WITH A LITTLE BITTY BIT OF THEM. WE'RE NOT GOING TO HOLD GOVERNMENT BACK, JUST ON A LITTLE BITTY SECTION, AND THAT'S ON THE PARKING LOT. THAT'S ALL I WANT TO DO. I'M NOT GOING TO CHANGE MY MOTION OR MY AMENDMENT. COUNCILMAN CANTU, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE ACS, BUT I'VE BEEN HERE -- THIS IS MY SECOND TIME, IT JUST DOESN'T CHANGE. THEY CHARGE MORE FOR GOVERNMENT. THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS. UNTIL SOMETHING CHANGES, WE'RE -- LEGISLATOR CHANGES IT WHERE YOU CAN'T OVERPRICE, SO I'M COUNTING ON YOU TO HOPEFULLY COME IN WITH SOME CHEAPER ACS BUT I'M GOING TO KEEP IT LIKE IT IS. ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAVE TO DO THAT, WE HAVE THE INCINERATOR, THAT HAS TO BE ORDERED. AND THE HIRING I AGREE WITH THAT. AND WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER, IT'S SO HOT IN THERE. IF WE CAN GET 1AC DONE FOR ONE KENNEL, I THINK THAT'S PROGRESS, SO I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT LIKE IT IS. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN. COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS? >> Campos: THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR -- ERNIE, FOR COMING UP. CONGRATULATIONS ERNIE ON YOUR NEW POSITION AS ACM. I DO WANT TO HEAR, AND I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THE ACM FOR THE ANIMAL CARE SERVICES. CAN I HEAR HIS THOUGHTS ON THIS ISSUE RIGHT NOW? >> YES, MA'AM. >> Campos: THANK YOU, SIR. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE, SONY PARONEL, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE MAIN -- >> Campos: WELL, THIS WHOLE ISSUE THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING BACK AND FORTH. I HAVE NOT HEARD NOT ONE IOTA FROM YOU AND I JUST WANTED TO HEAR WHAT YOUR CONCERNS OR WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE ON THE PROCESS OF SOME OF THESE MOTIONS AND AMENDMENTS THAT WE'RE BRINGING UP HERE. >> YES. SO I'M IN 100% SUPPORT OF THE ITEM. AS BEFORE, WE BRIEFED THE COUNCILMEMBERS AND RECEIVED FEEDBACK FROM IT, SO I KNOW ONE OF THE UMS OF CONTENTION IS THE MAINTENANCE YARD BUT, AGAIN, I'M NOT THE PROFESSIONAL, SO I RELY ON OUR RAM MUÑOZ AND OUR PUBLIC WORKS TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION. SO THAT, AND IN COORDINATION WITH CITY GATE AS WELL ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR STAFFING, SO ALL THESE IMPROVEMENTS TOGETHER DO HELP LIVE RELEASE, THEY ARE FIRST AND FOREMOST ON THE ANIMALS, BUT AS WELL, TOO, WE NEED THE STAFF THERE TO BE TAKING CARE OF, TO PROVIDE BETTER SERVICES FOR OUR ANIMALS. SO THE PROJECTS TOGETHER HELP IMPROVE OUR LIVE RELEASE RATE, THEY HELP WITH COMMUNITY OUTREACH, AND SO IT DOES -- IT DOES COMPLETE THE MISSION OF WHAT CITY COUNCIL HAS ASKED US TO DO, WHICH IS IMPROVE ANIMAL CARE SERVICES. AND ALL THESE ITEMS DO SO. >> Campos: WELL, ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WAS WHEN COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ WAS ASKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE -- FOR EXAMPLE, THE HEALTH DISTRICT, THEY WERE ABLE TO GET THE PARKING LOT DONE, AND I WAS ASKING HIM, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S -- HOW -- WHO INITIATES THAT? IS THAT THE CITY MANAGER THAT DECIDES TO ASK THE STREET DEPARTMENT TO PUT THAT INTO THEIR SCHEDULE OR IS IT THE DEPARTMENT -- OR WHOEVER IS OVER THAT DEPARTMENT, IS IT THE HEALTH DIRECTOR DEPARTMENT THAT ASKS, HEY, WE'VE GOT A PARKING LOT, WE'VE GOT POTHOLES? I MEAN, WHO DECIDES WHEN THEY NEED, LIKE, THE PARKING -- FOR THE STREET DEPARTMENT? IS IT THE ACM, IS IT THE DIRECTOR? CAN YOU HELP ME OUT WITH THE -- >> YES, SO ALL THREE CAN BE TRUE. SO IT DEPENDS. IN THE CASE OF HEALTH DISTRICT, IT COULD BE WHEN THE PROCESS WAS INITIATED, I WASN'T OVER THE HEALTH DISTRICT, BUT FROM THERE, ONCE THEY SEE THE ISSUE, HEY, WE NEED SOME ASPHALTING FOR THAT, THEN THEY WOULD CONTACT THE PUBLIC WORKS, AND THEN FROM THERE, IT WOULD GET THAT DETERMINED IN TERMS OF THE SCHEDULES AND THE PRICING OF WHEN PUBLIC WORKS. >> Zanoni: YEAH, COUNCILMAN, CAN I ADD TO THAT? SO I THINK IN THE CASES COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ TALKED ABOUT, IT'S ALL DEPARTMENT HEAD INITIATED, HOWEVER COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ AND I JUST COMMUNICATED WITH EACH OTHER, ERNIE NEEDS TO DEVELOP A POLICY. ANOTHER GOOD EXAMPLE WHERE WE DON'T HAVE A POLICY. SO, RIGHT, THERE SHOULD BE SOME CLEAR GUIDELINES ON WHEN CAN PUBLIC WORKS. >> Campos: YEAH. >> Zanoni: DEVIATE THEIR WORK SCHEDULE ON STREETS AND GO TAKE CARE OF A PARKING LOT. >> Campos: RIGHT. I WAS WONDERING, DID IT COME FROM COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ ASSAYING, HEY, THERE'S SOME WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN THE BILL WITT, YOU KNOW, PARKING LOT OR IS IT. >> Zanoni: NO. >> Campos: I MEAN, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS CLARIFICATION HERE, THEN, YEAH, I THINK WE DO NEED THAT DISCUSSION. >> Zanoni: I THINK IN THE CASE OF BILL WITT, IT CAME FROM ROBERT DODD, THE PARK'S DIRECTOR WHO WAS AWARE AND CONSCIENCE THAT THE NEW AQUATIC CENTER WAS GOING TO OPEN AND WE COULDN'T HAVE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE HIT POTHOLE AFTER POTHOLE. WE'LL HAVE ERNIE DEVELOP A WRITTEN POLICY, THERE SHOULD BE SOME CHECKS, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT WHEN THEY'RE DOING THIS, MAYBE THE ACM DOESN'T EVEN KNOW, THERE HAS TO BE SOME SIGN OFF. [SIMULTANEOUS SPEAKING]. >> Campos: I JUST NEEDED SOME CLARIFICATION AS TO HOW IT GETS INITIATED, YOU OR DIRECTOR OR ACM, I DON'T KNOW, OR I COULD INITIATE, I DON'T KNOW. >> Zanoni: YEAH, NOT UNLESS THE FULL COUNCIL SUPPORTS IT, YEAH. WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON A POLICY THOUGH. I HAVE IT WRITTEN DOWN AS A FOLLOW-UP. >> Mayor Guajardo: GOOD. THANK YOU. WE HAVE COUNCILMAN SCOTT AND THEN COUNCILMAN CANTU AND THEN WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE AND WE'LL MOVE ON. COUNCILMAN SCOTT? >> Scott: THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO THANK YOU. I THINK WE NEED -- YEAH, WAS THAT THE RAPID PAVEMENT TEAM DOING THE PARKING LOT AT BILL WITT. >> Zanoni: YES. >> Scott: IS THAT WHAT I LEARNED? YEAH, FOR SOMEONE -- AND IT'S VERY SENSITIVE TO ME THAT THEY'RE OUT THERE FIXING STREETS, YOU KNOW. THAT WAS BEFORE MY TIME, I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, BUT I MEAN, IT OUGHT TO TAKE AN ACT OF GOD TO GET THEM OFF. >> Zanoni: RIGHT, THAT'S WHY WE NEED THE POLICY. >> Scott: FIXING PARKING LOTS, I JUST WANTED TO ARTICULATE THAT. HEY, RAM, THANKS FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING. THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING. SO WHEN -- IF WE APPROVE THIS AND THE NUMBER'S A MILLION BUT YOU GO OUT FOR BIDS AND IT COMES BACK, SIMPLE MATH, 500,000, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR -- THE COUNCIL DOESN'T VOTE ON THAT PURCHASE, IT JUST HAPPENS? Y'ALL TAKE IT. >> Zanoni: RIGHT, IF WE USE THE PRIOR APPROVED FMAC OR ON-CALL CONTRACT, WE HAVE DISCRETION UP TO $500,000 SO IT WOULDN'T COME BACK TO COUNCIL. >> Scott: SO IF THAT PURCHASE IS $700,000 FOR AC SAZ IT . >> Zanoni: IT WOULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL. >> Scott: I DON'T WANT TO SLOW DOWN. I WOULDN'T SLOW ANY OF IT DOWN. I'VE NEVER FIXED A STREET, NOR A POTHOLE, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT AIR CONDITIONING, IF SOMETHING GOES BAD, I HAVE SOMEBODY TO CALL AND BEG AND PLEAD, WHICH IS MY WIFE, BY THE WAY. SO FULL DISCLOSURE, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ANY OF THIS, BUT I TRUST YOU A LOT, RAM. I'M A HUGE FAN OF YOURS AND I TRUST YOU. BUT IF WE NEED TO PULL SOMETHING TO KEEP IT GOING, I'M GOOD WITH THAT. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ARTICULATE THAT I WOULD BE OPEN TO A PACKAGE IN FUTURE BOND ISSUES TO ADD KENNEL -- LIKE ANOTHER KENNEL, RECOGNIZING IT INCREASES STAFFING, SO I DON'T THINK WE COULD DO IT TODAY, RIGHT. >> Zanoni: YEAH. >> Scott: BUT AS LONG AS WE KNEW THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU BUILD A BUILDING, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HIRE FIVE MORE PEOPLE AND WE HAVE SEVERAL YEARS TO IMPLEMENT THAT, I'D BE OPEN FOR A CONVERSATION AROUND THAT. >> Zanoni: GOOD. THAT'S GOOD. >> Scott: AS IT IS TODAY, I WOULD MOVE FORWARD ESPECIALLY REALIZING IF IT COMES IN UNDER 500, GOD BLESS YOU. THAT WOULD BE MORE THAN HALF THE COST, AND IF IT IS OVER 500, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE LOOK AT IT ANYHOW. I'M OKAY MOVING FORWARD COMPLETELY, IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO REMOVE THE PARKING LOT, THEN SO BE IT, BUT OTHERWISE, I'M READY TO GO. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. COUNCILMAN CANTU? >> Cantu: HEY, RAM, QUICK QUESTION. ON THE WASH RACK, IS IT WHAT THE PARKING LOT DEAL, 821? >> IT WAS TIED INTO IT, CORRECT? >> Cantu: THE 821 IS THE -- IS TIED IN WITH THE WASH RACK, RIGHT? >> CORRECT. >> Cantu: SO IS THE WASH BAY THE SAME THING? >> CORRECT. >> Cantu: BECAUSE THE WASH BAY'S ON OTHER ONE, TOO, FOR 769. >> THAT'S PROBABLY THE ONE YOU HAVE. BUT WE PUT OUR OWN TOGETHER, THE 821 COVERS THE WASH RACK AND THE PARKING LOT IN THE BACK. >> Cantu: SO THIS ONE HERE, PETER, IS NOT CORRECT. >> Zanoni: I THINK IT IS, YEAH, SO YOU HAVE -- RAM, YOU HAVE ON OUR ATTACHED SHEET, YOU HAVE THE ANIMAL CARE ROOF AND WASH RACK INSTALL. I THINK THEY KIND OF COMBINED THESE TO -- AND THEN OTHER ONES. >> Cantu: SO IN REALITY, THE PARKING LOT IS JUST BY ITSELF, 821,000 WITHOUT THE WASH RACK. >> Zanoni: IS THAT WHAT IT IS, RAM? THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE? >> IT LOOKS LIKE THEY MU PUT THE POWERPOINT TOGETHER WHERE THEY KIND OF INCLUDED THE VERBIAGE IN HERE. >> Cantu: SO WHICH ONE IS IT, THOUGH? >> WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PUT IT IN THE PARKING LOT IMPROVEMENTS. >> Cantu: SO THE 769 IS JUST FOR THE ROPES AND THE FIVE BUILDINGS? >> CORRECT. >> Cantu: OKAY. >> Zanoni: YEAH, COUNCILMAN, I THINK JUST A GUIDING PRINCIPLE ON THIS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEEN STATED BY THE COUNCIL, BUT IT'S EXPEDIENCY, AND SO THE REASON THIS SEEMS TO BE DIFFERENT THINGS MASHED INTO DIFFERENT PROJECTS IS SO WE CAN SAY WITHIN THAT $500,000 CAP SO WE CAN USE AN ON-CALL CONTRACTOR, OTHERWISE YOU'RE TALKING TWO, MAYBE THREE MONTHS TO GO OUT FOR A PROCESS. >> Cantu: SO THE ACS WILL GET INSTALLED WHEN FROM TODAY? >> IF WE APPROVED EVERYTHING TODAY. >> Cantu: YEAH. >> WHICH ONES, THE ONE FOR THE MAIN BUILDING OR FOR THE KENNELS. >> Cantu: FOR ANIMALS, IF WE GOT EVERYTHING WRAPPED UP, YOU'LL HAVE IT BY THE END OF SUMMER. >> Cantu: END OF SUMMER. YOU HEAR THAT? END OF SUMMER. LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS. >> Zanoni: WE'LL USE ON-CALL CONTRACTORS >> Zanoni: RAM WILL BE ON THERE MONITORING IT WITH US. >> YOU'VE GOT MY MOBILE NUMBER. >> Cantu: ALL RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN ROY. >> Roy: ERNIE, I HATE TO KIND OF BRING THIS UP BUT WHAT I'M LISTENING TO IS HOW MANY BUILDINGS DO WE HAVE RIGHT NOW? HOW MANY PARKING LOTS DOES THE CITY HAVE? >> Zanoni: YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAVE SOME 400 BUILDINGS, COUNCILMAN, SO YOU CAN ASSUME ALL OF THEM HAVE A PARKING LOT. >> Roy: YOU KNOW, WHEN I FIRST CAME ON COUNCIL AND BACK THEN THE CITY MANAGER'S IDEA WAS TO OUTSOURCE EVERYTHING. AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS PRETTY GOOD. I WAS KIND OF CONVINCED. AND THEN WHEN YOU CAME ON BOARD, PETER, YOU STARTED PULLING THINGS IN AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO MANAGE IN-HOUSE IS MORE COST-EFFECTIVE. I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT THE POLICY FOR ERNIE AS FAR AS PAVING AND COMING OFF, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD COME OFF STREETS. WE NEED TO DO THAT BUT I THINK WHAT WE COULD DO IS MAYBE LOOK AT BUILDING AN ADDITIONAL TEAM. WE GOT 400 PARKING LOTS. I GUARANTEE RIGHT NOW THAT JUST LIKE THE PARKING LOT AND THE SITUATION FOR ANIMAL CONTROL WAS NEGLECTED FOR MANY YEARS. I'M SURE RIGHT NOW IF WE WERE TO TAKE A WALK AROUND AND LOOK AT OUR ASSETS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL PROBABLY FIND MORE PARKING LOTS IN MORE AREAS THAT UNFORTUNATELY WERE NEGLECTED. AND I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE LONG TERM -- THIS IS THE ONLY REASON WHY I'M BRINGING THIS UP. I DON'T WANT TO TABLE THE ENTIRE THING. I THINK THE PARKING LOT PART IS FINE. BUT I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT BUILDING ANOTHER TEAM AND THAT TEAM BE ABLE TO ADDRESS LOOKING AT THE INTERNAL PARTS OF THE CITY. >> Zanoni: YEAH. THAT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION, COUNCILMAN. >> Roy: BECAUSE THE PROBLEM IS IS TIME AND IF WE NEGLECT IT, IT'S GOING TO COST MORE. WE BRING IT IN-HOUSE, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT. I THINK IT REALLY IS SOMETHING HE'S BEEN ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT HE DOES A GOOD JOB ON THESE PARKING LOTS. THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT. >> Zanoni: MILES REMINDED ME ABOUT OUR INSURANCE. WE HAVE 600 LOCATIONS. >> Roy: THAT MAKES IT EVEN MORE APPEALING. >> Zanoni: PART OF IT IS FUNDING. IF EVERY DEPARTMENT HAD MONEY TO PAVE THEIR PARKING LOTS, THEY WOULD PROBABLY CALL IN AND GET THEM PAVED. FUNDING IS INSUFFICIENT AND MORE IMPORTANTLY WE'RE STILL TRYING TO BUILD AN ASSET MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT. THE ANIMAL CARE DIRECTOR SHOULDN'T BE FOCUSED ON PARKING LOTS, ROOFS, AND CHILLERS BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT. THEY'RE NOT ENGINEERS. SIX YEARS AGO WHEN I GOT HERE WE DIDN'T HAVE AN ASSET MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT AND YET WE HAD 600 ASSETS. WE HAD A DIRECTOR AND EVERYTHING ELSE WAS CONTRACTED OUT. >> Roy: I AGREE. BEFORE WE DO THESE SIDEBAR AGREEMENTS AND SAY, HEY, PARKS AND REC NEEDS A PARKING LOT, CAN YOU DO IT? AND HE FEELS OBLIGATED TO STOP WHAT HE'S DOING, ERNIE, AND DO IT. MAYBE WE SHOULD BUILD A SPECIAL TEAM THERE. WITH SOME GUIDELINES. >> Zanoni: WE NEED TO ADD TO THE ASSET MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT. BUT FOR FUNDING CONSTRAINTS IT'S CAPPED. >> Mayor Guajardo: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO TABLE JUST THE PARKING LOT PIECE OF THIS ITEM. PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. >> City Secretary: I USED THE WORDING THE CITY MANAGER PROVIDED. THAT'S HOW IT'S WORDED HERE. . >> HOW COME HE GETS TO VOTE AND WE DON'T GET TO VOTE? >> Mayor Guajardo: PARKING LOT. JUST THAT PIECE. THE MOTION CARRIES. >> City Secretary: WE NEED TO APPROVE IT AS AMENDED. >> Mayor Guajardo: I'LL ENTERTAIN THAT MOTION. >> SO MOVED. >> Mayor Guajardo: DO WE HAVE A SECOND? PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. THANK YOU, KATIE. >> City Secretary: THE ORDINANCE AS AMENDED. >> Mayor Guajardo: THE MOTION CARRIES. ITEM 3 WAS PULLED, THE MINUTES. WHO PULLED THAT ONE? COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON. >> Paxson: I WILL GO SUPER SUPER QUICK. IN THE MINUTES, ON ITEM 22 FROM THE 10th MEETING, I JUST WANTED TO -- I HAD TWO CONCERNS. ONE, THE DISCUSSION -- I KNOW I HAD TALKED ABOUT THE OPTION EXISTING THAT WE COULD KEEP PUBLIC COMMENT AT NOON WHILE ADDING A 5:30. AND I THINK TO ME THAT WAS VALUABLE INPUT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TRACK HOW DOES THIS PROGRESS. THE SECOND, I KNOW THAT WHEN WE WERE EVALUATING ITEM 22, I HAD REQUESTED THAT WE ALL TAKE NOTE THAT WHEN WE ANNOUNCED THIS CHANGE, I REQUESTED THAT THERE BE AMPLE PUBLIC EXPLANATION ON THEIR AVAILABLE RESOURCES FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. AND I KNOW THAT OUR PIO TEAM IS GREAT. I JUST WANTED SOMETHING TO BE ABLE TO FALL BACK ON THAT WE WERE VERY SPECIFIC. >> Mayor Guajardo: YOU WANT THAT PUT INTO THE RECORD, THOSE TWO? >> Paxson: YES, MA'AM. >> City Secretary: WE WILL DO THAT. >> Mayor Guajardo: DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON IT? >> City Secretary: UNLESS THERE'S AN OBJECTION, I CAN TAKE THAT FEEDBACK. >> [OFF MIC] >> City Secretary: MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES, YEAH, BECAUSE SHE PULLED IT. WE NEED TO PULL THE MINUTES AND WE'LL APPROVE THEM AS CORRECTED. >> Mayor Guajardo: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. >> [OFF MIC] >> City Secretary: IT'S ON CONSENT. >> Mayor Guajardo: THE MOTION CARRIES. NEXT ITEM WOULD BE -- WE'RE NOT PULLING 4 AFTER ALL SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO -- >> Barrera: I MOVE FOR APPROVAL ON NO. 4. >> Mayor Guajardo: BECAUSE WE DID PULL IT. WE HAVE A MOTION AS-IS AND A SECOND. PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. THE MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. I'M GOING TO GO TO ITEM NO. 6. AND THAT IS ORDINANCE AMENDMENT CHAPTER 12.5 OF THE CITY CODE OF ORDINANCES TO MODIFY AUDIT STANDARDS AND MAKE OTHER EDITS. COUNCILMAN SCOTT. >> Scott: I DID A POOR JOB FROM OUT OF TOWN ARTICULATING MY CONCERNS. I THINK FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS ALLOWING TO DICTATE WHO SERVES ON THE AUDIT COMMITTEE POTENTIALLY RIGHT? ACTUALLY REMOVES INDEPENDENCE. IT IMPEDES INDEPENDENCE. I GET IT. HEY, WE CAN DO WHAT WE WANT, WE'RE COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND I LOOK AT THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH AND, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THE MAYOR DOES GET TO APPOINT. BUT I THINK -- BY THE WAY, YOU'RE FINE, SIR. I LOVE WHAT YOU DID. I'M GOOD WITH ALL THE BOOKS. THIS IS JUST AROUND THE REMOVAL. I APOLOGIZE. UNLESS YOU HAD AN OPINION, THAT'S FINE. >> NO, SIR. BUT THANK YOU FOR THE COMPLIMENT. I OWE IT TO MY TEAM, THEY DID A LOT OF RESEARCH. IF I COULD INTRODUCE MY INTERN, EVAN MANNING, WHO DID A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF RESEARCH ON THIS AS WELL. >> Scott: I DO HAVE TO QUESTION THE SHIRT YOU HAVE ON. IS THAT OKC? YOU HAVE EARNED IT. >> MY NAME IS EVAN MANNING. I HAVE BEEN WITH THE CITY ABOUT SIX MONTHS ALREADY INTERNING. AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON VARIOUS PROJECTS AS FAR AS WHAT THE TEAM NEEDS HELP WITH. I'M JUST GRATEFUL FOR THE EXPERIENCE I'VE BEEN GIVEN. THANK YOU, GUYS. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. >> WE'RE REALLY PROUD. HE EXTENDED WITH US TOO AND CHOSE US OVER THE PORT. AND THEN ALSO OUR AUDIT MANAGER, LAMAR HUSSEIN, ALSO DID A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK. I WOULD LIKE HIM TO BE INTRODUCED AS WELL. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBERS. I AM A CERTIFIED INTERNAL AUDITOR, CERTIFIED FRAUD EXAMINER AND I'M PLEASED TO BE HERE SERVING THE PUBLIC AND WORKING IN THIS AWESOME DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS THE AUDITOR OFFICE. AND THANK YOU ALL. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. >> I APPRECIATE YOU LETTING US HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY. >> Scott: I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT STARTING WITH THAT. I'M GOING TO ADDRESS THE FOLKS THAT SPOKE EARLIER BECAUSE THIS HAS HAPPENED TO ME PERSONALLY ONCE BEFORE THAT WITHOUT ANY REASON, ANY RECOGNITION, AN APPOINTEE WAS REJECTED BY FIVE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. A SECOND APPOINTEE WAS REJECTED BY FIVE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL AND IT TOOK THREE PEOPLE FOR ME TO APPOINT SOMEONE TO A COMMITTEE. I THINK IT OUGHT TO BE A SUPERMAJORITY. I THINK IT OUGHT TO BE MORE THAN A MAJORITY, IT OUGHT TO BE SIX MEMBERS. LAST WEEK I FELT LIKE IT WAS ON DEAF EARS BUT I WAS ALSO FAR AWAY. MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE SOMEONE TO HELP ME HERE. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO AMEND TO MAKE THE NUMBER SIX INSTEAD OF -- WHETHER IT SAYS SIMPLE MAJORITY OR FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS, I THINK IT SHOULD SAY SIX. AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION. >> Mayor Guajardo: IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT MOTION? MOTION -- YOU DID. MOTION DIES. COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON. >> Paxson: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I RESPECT MY FELLOW AUDIT COMMITTEE MEMBER AND COUNCILMAN SCOTT'S INPUT AND I CERTAINLY SEE THE ARGUMENT FOR A MAJORITY. I LIKE HOW WE STOOD LAST WEEK. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ANY GRAND GESTURE OUTSIDE OF THE WAY THE ORDINANCE WAS PREVIOUSLY WRITTEN. I THINK IT'S A VERY SIMILAR CHECKS AND BALANCE-TYPE SYSTEM AND SO, WITH THAT, I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE THE ITEM. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN BARRERA. >> Barrera: I JUST WANT TO SAY JUST FOR THE SAKE OF ANYBODY THAT COMES TO PUBLIC COMMENT THAT I ALWAYS TELL EVERYBODY I'M EASY TO FIND. SO IF THERE'S A CONCERN WITH REGARD TO THE GOVERNING PROCESS OR HOW THE PROCESS WORKS OR THE LEADERSHIP, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT INDIVIDUAL, WHOEVER IT MAY BE DURING PUBLIC COMMENT, TO CONTACT ME PERSONALLY. AND I'LL SAY IT HERE FOR THE RECORD. MY NUMBER IS 361-688-7111. PATRICIA GIVES THAT NUMBER OUT ON A REGULAR BASIS SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE AND TRANSPARENT. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AS-IS AS PRESENTED FOR THE MOTION TO BE PASSED AS PRESENTED. PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. THE MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. WE'LL MOVE ON. THANK YOU. THE NEXT ITEM PULLED, ITEM NO. 14 WAS A MOTION AUTHORIZING EXECUTION OF A TWO-YEAR AGREEMENT WITH E-BUILDER, INC. OF SUNRISE, FLORIDA. AND THIS IS FOR A SOFTWARE SUBSCRIPTION. WHO PULLED -- FOR ENGINEERING SERVICES. COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON. GO AHEAD. >> Paxson: THANK YOU, MAYOR. AGAIN, I'LL MAKE THIS REALLY QUICK. I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE ITEM. HI. I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE ITEM. I JUST NEEDED SOME CLARIFICATION. BECAUSE WHEN I WAS READING ALL OF THE PACKET, IT SEEMED TO BE THAT WE WERE BASICALLY PURCHASING THIS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025. I JUST WANT A CLARIFICATION. ARE WE GETTING THIS SOFTWARE UPGRADE AND ENHANCEMENT FOR ONE YEAR, TWO YEARS? AND THE COST. IS THAT FOR THIS ONE PORTION, CUMULATIVELY? JUST SOME CLARIFICATION ON THE TIMELINE AND NUMBERS. >> Edmonds: JEFF EDMONDS, DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING SERVICES. I.T. WAS MANAGING THE BUSINESS ASPECTS OF THIS. SO THIS IS A RENEWAL. WE ORIGINALLY PURCHASED THIS WITH A TWO-YEAR AGREEMENT USING -- WHAT DO THEY CALL IT? COLLABORATIVE PURCHASING WHERE WE WENT TO A FEDERAL CONTRACT ON GSA TO GET IT. THE INITIAL PRICING ON THIS WAS ACTUALLY HIGHER FOR THOSE TWO YEARS. SO I.T. HAS BEEN HELPING US RENEGOTIATE THIS AND THE PRICE HAS COME DOWN. IT WAS PREVIOUSLY -- >> HOLLY HOTTEN, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF I.T. THE PREVIOUS FIVE YEARS, WE HAVE BEEN PAYING AROUND $500,000 ANNUALLY FOR THIS SOFTWARE. SO THIS YEAR WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET IT AROUND $340,000. BUT WE'RE ALSO PAYING FOR MANAGED SERVICES, WHICH IS $120,000 A YEAR. >> Paxson: THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. THAT AND WHEN I READ THE -- THE ALTERNATIVE WAS TO GO BACK TO DESKTOP SOLUTIONS, AND SO I WAS JUST CONFUSED ON THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SOFTWARE. CAN YOU -- ARE WE SEEING A CHANGE TO THE SOFTWARE THAT WE'RE ALREADY USING? >> IT'S JUST RENEWAL. >> Paxson: PERFECT. THEN I'M ALL FOR EFFICIENCY AND STREAMLINING AND I HOPE THAT THIS IS UTILIZED TO FIX SOME PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS IN TRACKING, KEEPING WORK SITES CLEAN AS WE DO PROJECTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, SO IT DOESN'T IMPACT OUR AREA BUSINESS FOLKS. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THAT MAKES A WHOLE LOT MORE SENSE. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> Mayor Guajardo: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. OH, YOU DO HAVE -- COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ. >> Hernandez: NO. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THIS IS A GOOD THING. THE ENGINEERING SERVICES USED TO USE SPREADSHEETS ON EXCEL AND IT WAS CUMBERSOME AND IT DIDN'T REALLY TRACK VERY WELL, SO THIS IS A GOOD SYSTEM TO HELP US KEEP TRACK OF OUR EVER-EXPANDING CIP AND PROJECTS. THIS CAME AT A GOOD TIME. I REMEMBER THEY WOULD TAPE TOGETHER THE SPREADSHEETS AND WE WOULD GET THIS BIG OLD LONG SPREADSHEET ALL TAPED TOGETHER. THIS HAS GOT TO BE THE MOST RIDICULOUS THING. BUT I'M GLAD WE WERE ABLE TO CHANGE THAT AND IMPROVE. THANKS TO PETER AND HIS TEAM FOR MAKING IT HAPPEN. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. >> City Secretary: AND COUNCILMEMBER VAUGHN. >> Mayor Guajardo: THERE SHE IS. OKAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. ITEM NO. 20 IS A MOTION AWARDING 11 MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENTS FOR PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING SERVICES TO NINE FIRMS. WHO PULLED ITEM 20? COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON. >> Paxson: AGAIN, I WILL MAKE THIS SUPER QUICK. I PULLED 20 BECAUSE IT WAS THE BULKIER OF THE TWO, BUT REALLY 20, 21, ALL OF IT, SAID IT FORE. HUGE FAN MSAs, STREAMLINING, EFFICIENCIES. THEY HELP US IN A LOT OF AREAS. BUT WHEN I'M PULLING THIS STUFF AND LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS, I WOULD STILL LIKE US TO VENTURE CONVERSATIONS WHERE WE LOOK AT HOW DO WE MAKE -- HOW DO WE INCLUDE SMALLER FIRMS. PERHAPS WE LOOK AT MONETARY CAP ON, YOU KNOW, THIS MANY PROJECTS BECAUSE IT EQUALS THIS DOLLAR PER FIRM PER YEAR. OR MAYBE THAT'S A THREE-YEAR, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I READ IT, HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH IT, I SEE OUR THOUGHT PROCESS. I WOULD LIKE US TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE WOULD BEGIN TO OPEN THAT THOUGHT PROCESS UP, BUT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO VENTURE THAT AND THIS TOPIC TIED VERY CLOSELY INTO IT. I WANTED TO UTILIZE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVISIT. >> Edmonds: I'VE GOT A RESPONSE TO THAT. I DO AGREE WITH YOU THAT BY BUNDLING THESE THINGS TOGETHER, IT MIGHT MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT HARDER FOR THESE KIND OF ONE-MAN SHOPS AND SO FORTH TO GET THEIR FOOT IN THE DOOR. I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO MEET WITH ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE AND THIS IS REALLY NOT A LAW OR ANYTHING, IT'S KIND OF AN UNDERSTANDING WE HAVE WITH THE CITY MANAGER THAT WE LIMITED DOING THESE SMALL CONTRACTS, JUST STANDALONE, NON-COMPETED. BUT IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE SOMEBODY A CHANCE, MAYBE I COULD CONVINCE THEM TO LET US DO IT. >> Paxson: AND SOMETHING WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT VERY COMPETENT, FAMILIAR NAMES THAT WE'RE USED TO USING BECAUSE WE KNOW HOW THEY WORK, WE WORK WELL WITH THEM AND THEY KNOW OUR SYSTEM. BUT THE SYSTEM KIND OF SETS ITSELF UP TO CREATE A LOOP. ONCE THEY GET IN -- IT'S THAT LOOP. AND I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST ANYBODY THAT'S LISTED ON HERE. I WANT TO MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR. BUT I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T GET STUCK IN THIS, WELL, WE'VE ALWAYS USED THEM AND THEY'VE DONE A GOOD -- YOU KNOW, SO THEY'RE GOING TO GET SELECTED AND SELECTED AND SELECTED AND SELECTED. THAT'S ALL. IF YOU CAN HELP, THAT'S A DIRECTION I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION IN. OUTSIDE OF THAT, I HAVE NO ISSUE SO I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> Mayor Guajardo: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. OKAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. ITEM NO. 24 WAS PULLED. RESOLUTION AMENDING CITY COUNCIL POLICY 2 ON TRAVEL AND BUSINESS EXPENSE. WHO PULLED THIS ONE? COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ. YOU WANT TO PUT YOUR LIGHT ON? >> Hernandez: YEAH. SORRY. I LIKE THE OLD WAY. WHAT WE END UP HAVING IS I TOOK ONE TRIP AND THEN THE FUNDING WAS GONE WHEN NORMALLY IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WITHIN THE BUDGET THAT I HAVE. AND YOU HAVE SOME OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS TAKING TRIPS TO CALIFORNIA, KANSAS CITY, AND OTHER PLACES AND THERE GOES THE BUDGET. LOOKING AT POSSIBLY GOING BACK TO THE INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL BUDGET. >> City Secretary: TO THE AMOUNTS WE HAD, THE $3600 INDIVIDUAL BUDGET AND ELIMINATE THE TRAVEL POOL? >> Hernandez: RIGHT. >> City Secretary: THAT'S A BUDGET ITEM. THIS IS A COUNCIL POLICY. SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE A BUDGET AMENDMENT, IS THAT CORRECT, MR. ZANONI? >> Hernandez: WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE POLICY GOES BACK. >> City Secretary: SO DO THE POLICY FIRST? >> I SECOND. >> Zanoni: WHAT'S THAT, COUNCILMAN? >> [OFF MIC] >> Hernandez: NO, NO, THE BUDGET DOESN'T CHANGE. THE AMOUNT DOESN'T CHANGE. IT'S NOT AFFECTING THE BUDGET. WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A POLICY ON HOW IT'S ALLOTTED TO INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS. >> Zanoni: JUST DIVIDE IT. >> Hernandez: WE JUST DIVIDE IT UP. >> Mayor Guajardo: JUST EXPLAIN FOR CLARITY. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THE OLD POLICY WAS? >> City Secretary: SURE. SO THE PRIOR POLICY WAS EACH COUNCIL MEMBER RECEIVED $3600 FOR BUSINESS AND TRAVEL EXPENSES. AND THOSE INCLUDED, IN ADDITION TO TRAVEL IT WAS LUNCHEONS OR BANQUETS, SUBSCRIPTIONS TO PERIODICALS, MEMBERSHIP DUES FOR ASSOCIATIONS. THEY COULD USE IT FOR A VARIETY OF USES. AND IT WAS BUDGETED AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH COUNCIL TERM. SO THIS LAST BUDGET YEAR, AROUND SEPTEMBER/OCTOBER, THE FY2025, THE COUNCIL REDUCED THE AMOUNT THAT THEY RECEIVED TO $1,000 INDIVIDUALLY. EACH COUNCIL MEMBER GOT $1,000 FOR THOSE PURPOSES. AND THEN THEY CREATED A TRAVEL POOL AND THE TRAVEL POOL IS $15,000. IT'S ONLY TO BE USED FOR TRAVEL. SO WHAT THIS POLICY WAS PUT INTO PLACE FOR WAS TO CREATE A PROCESS ON HOW TO DRAW FROM THAT TRAVEL POLICY. NOW, IF YOU NOTE, THE POLICY DOES STATE WHEN THE CITY OPERATING BUDGET INCLUDES FUNDS FOR A SHARED TRAVEL BUSINESS EXPENSE POOL. SO THAT MEANS IF WE HAVE ONE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT REQUIRES AN AMENDMENT HERE. I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO THE OTHER WAY, THIS IS JUST. WE HAVE A TRAVEL POOL, THEN THIS IS HOW WE WOULD WORK IT . THAT'S WHAT THE PROPOSED POLICY STATES. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. THANK YOU. LET ME GET SOME QUESTIONS ANSWERED. COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON. >> Paxson: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I WAS -- I SERVE UNDER THE DIFFERENT SCHEMATICS. DID WE HAVE A GROUP -- LIKE NOW IT'S $1,000 PER PERSON PLUS 15 POOL. DID WE HAVE THE POOL WHEN IT WAS THE $3600? >> City Secretary: NO, WE DID NOT. >> Paxson: I WOULD BE CURIOUS -- AND FORGIVE ME. I KNOW I'M GOING TO GET SOME GLARES. BUT I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO SEE HOW WE DEFINED WHICH PUBLICATIONS/ASSOCIATION FEES FELT LIKE THEY WERE NOMINATIONS FOR THIS FUNDING. AND I REALIZE THAT AS NINE MEMBERS WHO SPEND PROBABLY 40-PLUS HOURS OF BASICALLY VOLUNTEER TIME AND GET $6,000 A YEAR, I KNOW THAT WHEN YOU'RE A NORMAL EMPLOYEE, YOU HAVE OTHER BENEFITS THAT OFFSET A SALARY. AND I GET THAT IN A PROFESSIONAL SETTING. BUT AS, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC SERVANTS, IT'S HONESTLY A LITTLE DIFFICULT FOR ME TO SEE THAT ITEM IN THERE. I WAS CURIOUS HOW WE DEFINED SUBSCRIPTIONS TO PUBLICATIONS. IS THAT TML, THOSE KINDS OF ASSOCIATION FEES? I WOULD HOPE IT'S NOT AN ATHLETIC CLUB MEMBERSHIP. >> City Secretary: OH, NO. >> Paxson: IT'S A LITTLE VAGUE TO ME. >> City Secretary: THE POLICY STATES, THAT'S FROM THE POLICY, 2E, IT TALKS ABOUT LUNCHEONS, BANQUETS, TICKET CHARGES WHERE THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL BE REPRESENTING THE CITY. SO IT'S REALLY NOT FOR PERSONAL USE, IT'S REPRESENTING THE CITY. SO A TML, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. IN ADDITION, THOUGH, 2C OF THE POLICY STATES EACH COUNCIL MEMBER WILL, IN HIS OR HER REASONABLE DISCRETION, INDIVIDUALLY DETERMINE THE NECESSITY FOR AND BENEFITS TO BE DERIVED FROM TRAVEL OR BUSINESS-RELATED CHARGES TO BE INCURRED. SO SOME OF IT IS ALSO AT THE COUNCIL MEMBER'S DISCRETION IF THEY FEEL THE PARTICULAR FEE IS APPROPRIATE. >> Paxson: OKAY. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING. IT JUST READ VAGUE TO ME AND SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS ON IF THERE WAS ANY KIND OF ELABORATION, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S VERY VAGUE. >> City Secretary: YEAH, IT'S FLEXIBLE. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS. >> Campos: THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY. SO BACK TO THE POOL AMOUNT, THE $15,000 WAS THE SAME AMOUNT THAT WAS ALLOCATED PRIOR TO CHANGING THIS, IS THAT CORRECT? >> City Secretary: THE $15,000 CAME INTO PLAY THIS LAST BUDGET YEAR. >> Campos: BEFORE IT WAS -- >> City Secretary: $3600. >> Campos: 36 TIMES 9. WAS IT MORE FOR THE MAYOR? >> City Secretary: THIS APPLIES TO COUNCIL MEMBERS. >> Zanoni: 36 TIMES NOW IS $32,400. WHEN YOU ADD THE $15,000, THAT'S $24,000. THE BUDGET IS $8,400 LESS THAN THE $3600 PER DISTRICT. THAT WAS PART OF COUNCILMAN PUSLEY'S RECOMMENDATION TO REDUCE THE BUDGET BY $8,400. >> Campos: I THINK IT CAME DOWN TO WE DIDN'T REALLY USE THAT MUCH. LIKE SOME OF US DIDN'T USE ANY OF IT AND THAT'S WHAT HE WAS REFERRING TO. AND THAT OTHERS MAXED IT OUT. THE $3600. >> Zanoni: THAT'S CORRECT. >> Campos: SO IF WE GO BACK TO THAT, IT WOULD ACTUALLY INCREASE IT. LET'S SAY WE ALL MAX IT OUT. BUT IF WE DON'T -- WAIT. OKAY. SO IF WE -- THE AMOUNT WILL STAY THE SAME, $15,000. >> City Secretary: THIS POLICY DOESN'T AMEND THE AMOUNT. >> Campos: IT WOULD JUST GO BACK TO $3600 -- >> Zanoni: WE WOULDN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO DO IT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S REMAINING IN THE BUDGET. SOME MAY HAVE BEEN SPENT. >> City Secretary: I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER RIGHT NOW BUT WE CAN LOOK AT IT. >> Hernandez: THIS IS A POLICY THING NOT FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET BUT FOR GOING INTO NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET THAT YOU WOULD SPLIT WHATEVER FUNDING WE HAVE UP, DIVIDED BY EIGHT. IF WE ONLY HAVE $24,000, THAT'S $3,000 PER COUNCIL MEMBER AND YOU LIVE WITHIN YOUR BUDGET. IT'S ALL, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT TO CHANGE THE AMOUNT OF WHAT WAS BUDGETED, JUST SPLIT IT INTO INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MANAGE THEIR OWN BUDGET. >> Campos: OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> Zanoni: BUT YOU WOULD APPROVE THIS POLICY CHANGE HERE, COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ? >> Campos: DIVIDE IT BY $3,000 INSTEAD. >> Mayor Guajardo: WE WOULD CHANGE IT TO GO BACK TO $3600. >> Hernandez: NO, WHATEVER THE BUDGET IS DIVIDED BY 8. >> City Secretary: YOU WANT IT EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY? >> Hernandez: I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S LEFT. WE'RE ALREADY MORE THAN HALFWAY THROUGH THE BUDGET. >> City Secretary: YEAH, WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK. >> Hernandez: I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MUCH IS LEFT. >> City Secretary: I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. >> Zanoni: IT'S EASY TO DO FOR THE NEXT BUDGET. >> Hernandez: WE WOULD HAVE TO ADJUST THE POLICY FOR THE NEXT BUDGET. >> City Secretary: NO. I'M SORRY. THE POLICY STATES IF WE HAVE A POOL IN PLACE. THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS. SO IF WE DON'T HAVE A POOL IN PLACE, THEN WE DON'T NEED TO -- IN OTHER WORDS, THE AMENDMENT IS ONLY IF A POOL IS IN PLACE. SO YOU COULD PASS IT AND IF A POOL IS NOT IN PLACE, IT WOULDN'T APPLY. >> Hernandez: I'M SORRY. I DON'T SEE THE WORD "IF." >> City Secretary: WHEN. I'M SORRY. >> Hernandez: JUST "WHEN"? >> City Secretary: YES. >> Hernandez: THIS IS KIND OF -- MAYBE YOU SHOULD CHANGE "WHEN" TO "IF." SO MAKE AN AMENDMENT -- >> Mayor Guajardo: HANG ON. COUNCILMAN ROY AND THEN WE'LL GET BACK. >> Roy: THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE, BECAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER. IF WE DON'T USE IT, DO WE HAVE TO VOTE TO GIVE IT BACK OR IT AUTOMATICALLY GOES BACK? >> Zanoni: IT JUST GOES BACK TO FUND BALANCE, COUNCILMAN. >> Roy: THANK YOU. THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION. >> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> Mayor Guajardo: NO, WE'RE DONE. BUT I THOUGHT COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ WAS MAKING AN AMENDMENT. DID WE ALREADY DO A MOTION? I THINK WE DID. >> Paxson: I READ WHEN THERE'S A SHARED POOL TO BE INTERCHANGEABLE WITH IF. I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THAT WORDING. >> [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Guajardo: I WOULD BE CLEAR AS DAY. SOMEBODY, WHAT IS IT? COUNCILMAN, GO AHEAD. >> Hernandez: IF THAT'S HOW IT'S INTERPRETED, MAYBE WE CAN GET A LEGAL DESCRIPTION FROM MILES. IS WHEN AND IF THE SAME THING, LEGALLY? >> Roy: IN THIS CONTEXT, THE EFFECT IS NO DIFFERENT . >> Hernandez: I'M GOOD WITH IT THEN. THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE. >> Mayor Guajardo: AND WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> Zanoni: I'M SORRY BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR. I'M NOT. IS THIS TO DO THE DIVIDE BY 9 FOR THE REST OF THIS FISCAL YEAR? >> Hernandez: 8. THE MAYOR IS SEPARATE. >> Zanoni: DIVIDE BY 8 FOR THE REST OF THIS FISCAL YEAR? >> Hernandez: NO. I'M TALKING ABOUT IN THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE, SEPARATE IT AND DIVIDE BY 8. >> Zanoni: APPROVE THIS POLICY AND IN THE BUDGET WE'LL SET IT UP THE WAY IT USED TO BE. BUT DO THE $24,000 DIVIDED BY 8. >> Hernandez: WHATEVER WE ASSIGN. >> Mayor Guajardo: PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. OKAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. LET'S SEE. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO ITEM 25. AND THAT WAS AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ROADWAY MASTER PLAN MAP AND THE URBAN TRANSPORTATION PLAN MAP. WHO PULLED THIS ONE? COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ, GO AHEAD. >> Hernandez: SO THIS WAS MORE COMPLICATED THAN I THOUGHT WHEN I FIRST INITIALLY GLANCED AT THIS. AND IT TALKS ABOUT CHANGING THE -- SEVERAL ROADS FROM LARGER ROADS TO SMALLER ROADS. SO GOING FROM A C-3 COLLECTOR TO A C-1 COLLECTOR. SO, ERNIE, FOR FUTURE REFERENCE WHEN YOU HAVE THESE THINGS IN HERE, YOU NEED TO DESCRIBE WHAT THOSE PARTICULAR ROADS ARE AND WHAT THEIR DIMENSIONS ARE AND WHAT THE IMPACT IS. SO THE INFORMATION THAT'S IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE DESIGN MANUAL, AS TO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A C-1 COLLECTOR AND A C-3 COLLECTOR. THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IS DIFFERENT. THE WIDTH OF THE ROAD IS DIFFERENT. THE STRIPING IS DIFFERENT PER THE IDM. WHERE'S JEFF? JEFF LEFT. SO COULD REALLY SEE THE DEFINE AS TO WHAT THAT IS. SO I HAD TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT. SORRY. LET ME LOG BACK IN HERE. OKAY. SO IN TERMS OF SOME OF THESE ROADS, THERE'S SOME DEFINITIONS HERE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HERE. I MEAN, HAS ANY OF THIS BEEN PLATTED? >> YES. TWO OF THEM HAVE BEEN. THIS IS MASTER. RIGHT NOW WE'RE ONLY WORKING TO AMEND THE UTP. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO THAT PROCESS. >> Hernandez: THERE'S SOME SPECIFICS TO THIS BECAUSE YOU HAVE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A COLLECTOR AND A RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR. >> RIGHT. >> Hernandez: SO IF YOU HAVE A COLLECTOR, ARE YOU GOING TO ALLOW IT TO HAVE HOUSES OR RESIDENCES ON A COLLECTOR VERSUS A RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR? >> SO ON A PORTION OF IT, YES. BUT I THINK SINCE ALL OF COUNCIL IS GOING TO VOTE, I PROBABLY NEED TO GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. >> Hernandez: GO AHEAD. >> THIS IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THREE SEGMENTS OF THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN. THERE'S FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS HERE. ONE IS MIRABELLA AND THE OTHER ONE IS KING'S LAKE WEST DEVELOPMENTS. FOR BACKGROUND, PUBLIC WORKS IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATING REQUESTS. THIS SUMMARIZES EACH SEGMENT CONSIDERED FOR MODIFICATION. THE PARTY WHO MADE THE REQUEST -- THERE'S A REQUESTOR COLUMN THERE. AND THE EXISTING CLASSIFICATIONS PER THE MASTER PLAN AND THEN THE PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS. EACH DEVELOPMENT PROVIDED ENGINEERING STUDIES IDENTIFYING TRAFFIC IMPACTS AT FULL DEVELOPMENT AND PROPOSED TRAFFIC VOLUMES. EXISTING AND PROPOSED INTERSECTIONS WITHIN AT LEAST A MILE WERE CONSIDERED. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS TABLE, THE FIRST COLUMN IS THE ROAD THAT'S BEING IMPACTED. I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU THE MAPS HERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES. THE NEXT COLUMN IS THE CLASSIFICATION OF THE ROADWAY. THAT'S WHAT COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ WAS REFERRING TO. EACH CLASSIFICATION HAS A RIGHT-OF-WAY WITHIN LANE DESIGNATION. AND THEN THE LIMITS FOR THE REQUEST. AND THEN ON THIS COLUMN WHERE IT SAYS PROPOSED MODIFICATION, YOU'RE GOING FROM THE LEFT, CLASSIFICATION, THAT'S THE WAY IT IS CLASSIFIED. AND TO THE RIGHT, THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING. THE REQUESTOR IS THE INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPER MAKING THE REQUEST, ONE OF THOSE IS THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI. THIS ITEM WENT TO COMMISSION AND SO THE LAST COLUMN SHOWS WHAT PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED YES ON AND WHAT THEY VOTED NO ON. SO THIS IS -- TO BE HELPFUL HERE, AS COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ HAD MENTIONED, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON HERE. AND SO WHAT WE DID IS WE PUT A BIG PICTURE HERE TO EXPLAIN THE BEFORE AND AFTER. SO I'M GOING TO GO SLOW AND EXPLAIN THE BEFORE AND AFTER SO THAT YOU ALL CAN TRACK WHAT THE REQUEST WAS BEING MADE BY THE DEVELOPER. AND THEN WHAT WE PROPOSED AT PUBLIC WORKS AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE -- THERE'S A NO. 1, 2, P AND 4 TO GIVE YOU YOUR BEARINGS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE FAR LEFT, IT SAYS CROSSTOWN 286. AND THEN ON THE VERY TOP IT SAYS WEBER FM 43. AND SO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS THE BLUE, WHICH IS MIRABELLA. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE YELLOW KING'S LAKE WEST. AND ON THE TOP OF KING'S LAKE WEST, IT'S CASPIAN. THE MASTER PLAN, IF NOBODY QUESTIONED ANYTHING AND THEY WENT AND ASKED FOR THE PLAN, THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD BUILD. SO ON NO. 1, THAT C-3 COLLECTOR, THAT'S THE EXISTING CONDITION. ON NO. 2, THAT COUNTY ROAD 22, THAT'S AN EXISTING CONDITION, A-2 ARTERIAL. AND NO. 3 IS EXISTING CONDITION C-3 COLLECTOR. AND NO. 4, EXISTING CONDITION A-2 ARTERIAL. THAT'S ON THE PLAN AS-IS. IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS IS WHAT'S PROPOSED. SO YOU'RE GOING TO FLIP BACK AND FORTH FROM THE EXISTING TO THE PROPOSED SO THAT YOU CAN SEE WHAT THIS TABLE IS TALKING ABOUT. SO IF YOU GO TO THE EXISTING ON NO. 1, EXISTING ON THE PLAN WAS A C-3. AND THEN WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS A C-1. NO. 2, EXISTING IS A-2. AND PROPOSED IS A C-1. AND THEN ON NO. 3, EXISTING IS A C-3 AND PROPOSED IS A C-1. AND THEN ON NO. 4, EXISTING WAS AN A-2 AND PROPOSED WAS IS AN A-2, TO REMAIN THE SAME. AND SO WE'RE ASKING FOR THREE MODIFICATIONS TO THE PLAN. AND SO IN THE RECOMMENDATION, AFTER WE WENT TO PLANNING COMMISSION, PLANNING COMMISSION, IF YOU LOOKED AT THAT NO. 1 REQUEST, PLANNING COMMISSION SAID, YES, WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT NUMBER ROAD, C-3 GETTING CHANGED TO A C-1. NO. 2, PLANNING COMMISSION AGREED. THEY SAID YES, THAT A-2, WE AGREE WITH THAT BEING CONVERTED TO A C-1. THAT ONE IS A CITY REQUEST. ON NO. 3, IT WAS -- PLANNING COMMISSION SAID WE AGREE WITH THE C-3 BEING MODIFIED TO A C-1. ON NO. 4, WE WERE GOING TO GO FROM A-2 TO C-1 AND SO PLANNING COMMISSION SAID NO TO THAT ONE AND THAT'S WHY WE LEFT THAT ONE AS AN A-2 WHERE YOU'RE SEEING THE PROPOSAL FOR TODAY. AND SO TO YOUR QUESTION, COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ, WE DID HAVE A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS PERFORMED ON THE MIRABELLA AND ALSO ON THE KING'S LAKE WEST. AND THE PROCESS WE USED TO DRAW CONCLUSIONS ON OUR RECOMMENDATIONS IS THAT EVERY ROAD YOU HAVE TO ANTICIPATE HOW MUCH VOLUME EACH ROAD IS GOING TO TAKE IN THE FUTURE AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS BASED OFF OF WHETHER OR NOT WE FEEL THAT THAT ROAD COULD HANDLE THE FUTURE VOLUMES. SO A WIDER ROAD HAS A FUTURE CAPACITY OF POTENTIALLY 20,000 VEHICLES VERSUS A VERY SMALL C-1 COLLECTOR HAS A CAPACITY OF 4,000 VEHICLES. ALL OF THAT ENGINEERING ANALYSIS WAS PERFORMED BY THE DEVELOPERS' ENGINEERING FIRMS THAT THEY PERFORMED THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND THEN WE REVIEWED THAT AT TRAFFIC, PUBLIC WORKS. BASED ON THAT RESULT, WE WENT AHEAD AND MADE RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH ARE FINALIZED HERE ON THIS TABLE. AND SO THESE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE SUPPORT AS TRAFFIC ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND ALSO IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE DEVELOPERS' ENGINEERS WHO PERFORMED THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS. AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. WHEN YOU CALLED ME LAST NIGHT, I SENT YOU THE DOCUMENT SHOWING THE FUTURE -- I GUESS THE FUTURE LAYOUTS ANTICIPATED. BUT FOR THIS REQUEST, WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT ADJUSTMENTS TO THE UTP. YOU STILL HAVE THE NEXT PROCESS, WHICH YOU DIVE INTO THE PLATTING AND THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS OR THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT PLANS. >> Hernandez: OKAY. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS HERE. WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE TxDOT THAT IS IMPROVING THE 286 FROM FM 44 ALL THE WAY TO 2444. >> YES, SIR. >> Hernandez: WHICH IS WEBER TO STAPLES. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE OVERPASSES AND WHERE THEY WERE BEING LOCATED. WERE YOU ABLE TO DETERMINE THAT? >> YES, SIR. IF YOU GO HERE, THE FUTURE OVERPASS ON THE SCHEMATIC THAT WE HAVE ACCESS TO, ON 286, ONE OF THE OVERPASSES IS COUNTY ROAD 22 AND THE OTHER ONE IS AT COUNTY ROAD 20A. AND FROM WHAT I REVIEWED ON THE MIRABELLA, THEY'RE GOING TO ALSO HAVE A COLLECTOR SPLITTING THE DIFFERENCE IN BETWEEN THERE. I BELIEVE IT'S A C-3. IT'S GOING TO TIE INTO 286 SO YOU'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL ROAD TYING INTO THE 286 IN THE MIDDLE. BUT THE OVERPASSES ARE GOING TO BE AT 22 AND 22A. >> Hernandez: YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE C-1 COLLECTOR AT THE OVERPASS AND THE C-3 COLLECTOR NOT AT THE OVERPASS? >> THE C-3 WILL BE AT THE -- WELL, THE C-3 20A OR THE C-3 SPLITTING? >> Hernandez: THE SPLITTING ONE. >> THAT WOULD TIE INTO THE SIDE. >> Hernandez: I WENT BACK AND LOOKED BECAUSE I REMEMBER KING LAKE HAD A PRELIMINARY PLAT AND IT DOESN'T MATCH WHAT YOU HAD HERE. >> WHICH ONE? >> Hernandez: THE SECTION IN YELLOW. THAT DOES NOT MATCH THE PRELIMINARY PLAT. >> OKAY. LIKE I SAID, THAT'S PRELIMINARY. THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS TO FINALIZE AFTER WE APPROVE THE ADJUSTMENTS. >> Hernandez: YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK AND CHANGE IT BECAUSE THE WAY THE PRELIMINARY PLAT READS IS IT MOVES IT INTO THAT AREA, THE YELLOW AREA. >> AS FAR AS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU'RE CORRECT. THIS IS NOT TO SCALE BUT IT DOES MOVE UP BECAUSE THERE'S AN EASEMENT THERE. AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY HAD TO DOG LEG UP THAT LITTLE ROAD BECAUSE OF THE EASEMENT. >> Hernandez: ACCORDING TO OUR UDC, CAN YOU HAVE HOUSES ON A C-1 COLLECTOR? >> I'LL LET RENE ANSWER THAT. . >> TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, CAN YOU HAVE HOUSES ON A C-1 COLLECTOR? YES. THE PREFERENCE IS THE HOUSES DON'T FRONT BUT THE UDC ONLY SPECIFICALLY SPEAKS TO ARTERIALS, NOT FRONTING OR PROVIDING A BUFFER. IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT LANGUAGE FOR COLLECTORS. IF THAT MAKES SENSE. >> Hernandez: RIGHT. SO IF YOU'RE ON YORKTOWN, THEY HAVE THOSE MEDIANS. >> YES. BUT THE UDC IS SPECIFIC TO ARTERIALS, NOT COLLECTORS. WE REQUEST IT BUT THEY'RE NOT MANDATED TO. >> Hernandez: SO YOU APPROVED THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AND THEN YOU'RE COMING BACK TO CHANGE THE UTP IN ORDER TO BE IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE PRELIMINARY PLAT. >> I CAN'T SPEAK TO ALL OF THE PROCESSES WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, BUT I THINK THEY STILL HAVE TO FINAL PLAT AND THAT FINAL PLAT OFFERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE CHANGES, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. >> Hernandez: WELL, YEAH. BUT, LIKE I SAID, THIS SEEMS A LITTLE BACKWARDS. YOU APPROVE THE PLAT OR THE PRELIMINARY PLAT WAS APPROVED PRIOR TO THE UTP CHANGING SO NOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE THE UTP IN ORDER TO CONFORM WITH THE PLAT. >> I'M NOT SURE WHEN THAT MASTER PRELIMINARY PLAT GOT APPROVED BUT AS PART OF THE PROCESS THEY WERE ASKED TO DO A STUDY -- OR THEY ASKED FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE PLAN. SO THEIR PLAN, LIKE YOU SAID, THERE WAS A CHANGE OR SHIFT IN THAT ALIGN. THEY ACCOUNTED FOR THAT. SO THEY'RE REQUESTING A C-1 . LIKE ERNIE SAID, I WOULDN'T FOCUS SO MUCH ON WHERE THE ALIGNMENT OF THE LINE LAYS, IT'S MORE SO WE'RE HERE TO CONFIRM THAT, YES, WE WANT TO REDUCE THE CLASSIFICATION OF THE ROADWAY. THEY HAVE ACCOUNTED FOR THAT IN THE EXHIBIT I HAVE SEEN. THEY SHOWED A SHIFT AND SHOWED A REDUCTION TO C-1 FOR KING'S LAKE. >> Hernandez: THIS WHOLE THING MAKES ME UNCOMFORTABLE. BECAUSE WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS FOR THE MOBILITY, FOR THE FUTURE OF THIS AREA, RIGHT? AND I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE THE A-2 THERE AND THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE A SCHOOL SOMEWHERE HERE AS WELL. LONDON ISD WAS PROPOSING A SCHOOL SOMEWHERE HERE. DO WE HAVE WHERE THAT'S GOING TO BE? >> NO, WE DO NOT HAVE THE INFORMATION. WE HAVE SEEN PRELIMINARY DOCUMENTS BUT NOTHING FORMAL. AND SO LET ME SPEAK TO THE PROCESS SO COUNCIL COULD UNDERSTAND. AT PUBLIC WORKS, WE RECEIVED THE REQUEST FOR THE UTP AMENDMENTS AND BASED ON THOSE REQUESTS WE WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER'S CONSULTANT TO ANALYZE PROPOSED VOLUMES TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THE CATEGORY ROAD CAN HANDLE THAT VOLUME. AND IF WE DON'T DO THIS PROCESS THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK WITH THE DEVELOPER AND THEN GET INTO SCENARIOS THAT THIS MAY HAPPEN. WE CAN ONLY WORK OFF OF THE INFORMATION THEY PROVIDE. THEY PROVIDE US THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND PRELIMINARY PLATS. WITH THAT, THEY EXPECT US TO LOOK AT THOSE VOLUMES, PROVIDE CONCURRENCE, GO TO PLANNING, AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. WE DON'T -- IF THE REQUIREMENT WAS GIVE EVERYTHING FINAL AND THEN MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION, THEY CAN'T FINAL I IZE WHAT THEY WANT THE ROAD TO BE REDUCED TO NOT WHAT THE REQUIREMENT IS. >> Hernandez: THIS IS AN ORDINANCE SO THIS IS GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE TWO READINGS. >> RIGHT. >> Hernandez: WHAT I'D LIKE -- WHATEVER HAPPENS, WHETHER IT PASSES OR DOESN'T, WHATEVER. I WANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE PLAT WAS APPROVED PRIOR TO THE UTP AND I WANT TO KNOW WHERE THAT SCHOOL IS GOING TO BE BECAUSE THAT WOULD MAKE SOME DECISIONS ON WHAT SIZE THESE ROADS ARE GOING TO BE. AND JUST UNDERSTANDING, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE THING IS THAT'S GOING TO WORK. I BELIEVE THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO PUT THE TIRZ, THIS WHOLE AREA? WHERE'D PETER GO? IT'S A PROPOSED AREA FOR THE TIRZ. I'LL HOLD ON TO MY QUESTIONS AND SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN ROY. >> Roy: ERNIE, I WANTED TO JUST CLARIFY. YOU SAID THE ONE ON THE RIGHT, WHICH IS THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT, WHICH IS WHAT -- AND YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT IN TERMS OF THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION? >> CORRECT. YES SIR. WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE IS WHAT WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH AND IT'S WHAT PLANNING RECOMMENDED. >> Roy: JUST SO THAT I CAN GET MY HEAD AROUND IT, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT SECTION 3, KING'S LAKE WEST, IT'S INTERESTING. IT GOES TO THE C-1 COLLECTOR AND GOES UP TO THE PROPOSED PARKWAY FOR THE OSO PARKWAY. WHAT'S THE -- HOW LARGE IS THAT AREA? DO YOU KNOW OFFHAND, JUST APPROXIMATE? I'M LOOKING AT HOW THAT'S BEING NAVIGATED. IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY CAN COME ALONG THIS C-1 AND THEY'LL HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO ON TO THE OSO PARKWAY AND THEN CUT NORTH TO THE C-3 COLLECTOR. IF THEY WANT THEY CAN KEEP GOING TO WHEREVER. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> Roy: I WAS TRYING TO GET A SCALE OF HOW BIG KING'S LAKE WEST IS. >> THEY'LL BE ABLE TO CUT ACROSS NORTH TO WEBER. >> Roy: THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, ERNIE. I THINK WE'RE -- THAT'S ALL. COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ. >> Barrera: I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> PUBLIC COMMENT. >> Mayor Guajardo: OH, YES, YES YES. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE -- WELL. DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT, IT'S CONSENT. >> City Secretary: YOU ASKED IF ANYBODY WANTED TO PULL AN ITEM. >> Mayor Guajardo: I DID ASK. THIS ONE IS BEING PULLED. >> City Secretary: YOU WANT MR. MOSTAGHASI? >> Mayor Guajardo: IS THERE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS AS CONSENT? >> City Secretary: THERE IS. WE ASK FOR IT AT THE BEGINNING BUT IF YOU WANT TO ENTERTAIN IT NOW, YOU CAN. >> Mayor Guajardo: YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. GO AHEAD. >> MOSES MOSTAGHASI, COASTAL BEND LOTS, DISTRICT 5. JUST TO GIVE SOME CLARITY, I DEAL WITH A LOT OF THESE UTP AMENDMENTS. JUST TO START OFF, I WANT TO REMIND COUNCIL THAT ONLY THE PURPLE AND THE YELLOW HAVE BEEN ANNEXED INTO THE CITY SO THIS IS A FUTURE UTP AMENDMENT IN A 2500-ACRE AREA OF CORPUS. SO WE ARE WORKING ON NO. 1. WE DID GET A TIA THAT SHOWED THAT THAT COULD BE A C-1 COLLECTOR VERSUS A C-3 COLLECTOR. WE WORKED WITH THE CITY ON NO. 2. BECAUSE THIS DEVELOPMENT, THE BLUE AREA IS 300 ACRES, WE PUT OUR OWN C-3 COLLECTORS ACTUALLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF. AND THEN IT ABUTS COUNTY ROAD 20, WHICH COULD BE A C-3 COLLECTOR. THE THINGS THAT I WANT THE COUNCIL TO UNDERSTAND WITH THOSE TWO DEVELOPMENTS, THOSE ARE SHOVEL-READY PROJECTS THAT WILLED STILL TAKE ROUGHLY TEN YEARS TO COMPLETE, RIGHT, FOR THE BLUE AREA. SO YOU'LL GET SOME IMPROVEMENTS IN THE BLUE AREA. THE COUNTY ROAD -- BLESS YOU. THE COUNTY ROAD AREA, COUNTY ROAD 22, AND THEN THE COUNTY ROAD A. THE OTHER LAND DEVELOPER PROPOSED NO. 4 TO GO FROM AN ARTERIAL ROAD TO A C-1 COLLECTOR AND WAS DENIED BY PLANNING COMMISSION. I AGREE, THAT NEEDS TO STAY AN A-2 COLLECTOR. BECAUSE THINK OF SPID AND SARATOGA. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS GOING TO BE. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 286. THAT'S GOING TO BE YOUR NEW SARATOGA. THAT ROAD CONNECTS WEBER TO STAPLES BUT YOU'RE TALKING MASSIVE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT HAS TO ACTUALLY OCCUR FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. THE PROPOSED PARKWAY THAT YOU SEE UP THERE, THAT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. THE REALITY IS THE DEVELOPER IN THE ORANGE WILL NOT DEVELOP THAT SECTION AND IT WILL NOT TIE INTO THE PROPERTY HERE. WHEN I SAY "NOT," YOU'RE TALKING 50 YEARS. THAT'S THE REALITY. DON'T LOOK AT THAT AS AN AVENUE THAT CAN HAPPEN TOMORROW, FOR TRAFFIC PURPOSES. THE THING THAT I HAVE HEARTBURN ON ON THIS PROCESS, BECAUSE I'VE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS WITH THE CITY, IS THAT THE SIZE OF THE ROADS I'M NO SO CONCERNED WITH. WHAT YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW IS THAT PLANNING COMMISSION THREE WEEKS AGO APPROVED A HALF ROAD AND THE CITY NEEDS TO STOP ALLOWING HALF ROADS. HALF-ROAD DEVELOPMENTS -- THE DEVELOPER CAME TO ASK THAT THAT A-2 ROAD BE CHANGED TO A C-1 IS. HE WAS DENIED BUT CAME BACK AND ASKED FOR A HALF ROAD BUILD WHICH ALLOWS HIM TO BUILD HALF THE ROAD. THE ROAD IS NOT GOING TO BE AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC. THE ROAD IS GOING TO DETERIORATE. IT'S SOMETHING I HAVE TALKED TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ABOUT CORRECTING IN THE UDC. IF A DEVELOPER WANTS TO DEVELOP, THEY NEED TO BUILD THE ROAD. WE DID IT BEFORE WHERE OSO PARKWAY FOR CCISD. WE ABUT SCHOOLS ALL THE TIME AND BUILD THOSE LARGER ROADS BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC AND THE CONNECTIVITY AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROAD. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MR. MOSTAGHASI. WE APPRECIATE IT. ANYONE ELSE? ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 25? COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON. >> Paxson: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I APPRECIATE THE INPUT AND PROVIDING US A LITTLE BIT OF OVERSIGHT TO THIS WHOLE AREA. I AM CURIOUS, THOUGH, MR. MOSTAGHASI CITED THAT THE RECOMMENDATION FROM YOUR DEPARTMENT FROM STAFF WAS ON ITEM 4, WHICH IS THE COUNTY ROAD 43, WAS TO NOT PUT IT DOWN TO A C-1, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. THE PACKET IN FRONT OF ME, THE WAY I'M READING IT IS THAT THAT RECOMMENDATION HAS BEEN CHANGED SO THAT WE ARE TO PUT THAT TO A C-1, IS THAT CORRECT? >> NO, MA'AM. IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT STREET NO. 4, THAT'S GOING TO REMAIN A-2. WE MADE A CORRECTION LAST NIGHT -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU RECEIVED THE CORRECTION. THE TABLE WAS FLIPPED AND SO WE ISSUED THAT CORRECTION LAST NIGHT. THAT WAS ON ME, I APOLOGIZE. >> Paxson: NO PROBLEM. NO PROBLEM. I READ IT IN THIS BOX AND IT SAID C-1. WE'RE SAYING C-1, C-1 AND ON NO. 4 KEEP THAT A-2. >> YES, MA'AM. THAT IS CORRECT. >> Paxson: IF I UNDERSTAND THE SUMMATION OF THIS INSIGHT THAT WAS JUST GIVEN TO KIND OF THE FUTURE GEOGRAPHY OF THE AREA, THAT'S MY BIG CONCERN IS WE GRAPPLE WITH THAT IN DISTRICT 4. NOW WE'VE GOT THIS SMALL ROAD AND DEVELOPMENT HAS INCREASED AND THIS ROAD IS OVERTAXED. THE WEAR AND TEAR ON IT, THE MOBILITY, THAT'S ALWAYS AN ISSUE. IT'S EASIER TO GO DOWN THAN TO SCALE BACK UP. I THINK WHAT HE SAID IS THIS ALIGNS WITH THAT OVERALL PLAN LIKE YOU GUYS ARE SAYING. THAT ANSWERED MY QUESTION. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM IF YOU'RE SAYING THIS WORKS FOR YOU GUYS. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. >> I CAN WAIT. NO, I DON'T WANT TO TALK. AM I TALKING? I WAS CONFUSED TOO. JUST SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WE'RE GOING -- ONE IS GOING FROM C-3 TO C-1. 2 IS GOING FROM A-2 TO C-1. THIS IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION. 3 IS GOING FROM C-3 TO C-1. I'VE NOW EXCEEDED MY ABILITY TO TRACK LETTERS AND NUMBERS. FOR 4 YOUR LANGUAGE IS IT STAYS A-2. >> CORRECT. AS PER THE PLAN. >> Scott: MOSES, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND. IF I'M MISSING SOMETHING, IF THERE'S SOMETHING MISSING TO THAT RECOMMENDATION. IS IT TOOK LATE TO ASK HIM UP? >> RENE CAN CLARIFY ON THE HALF STREET COMMENT. >> Scott: WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE. THAT'S SEPARATE? >> THAT'S SEPARATE. >> Scott: I WROTE A NOTE SAYING NO HALF ROADS ANYMORE. JUST SO I GOT THAT OUT OF THE WAY. >> THIS IS ONLY TO DISCUSS THE UTP ADJUSTMENTS. >> Scott: I WAS LISTENING TO MOSES. I WAS TRYING TO TRACK WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE AND I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTOOD WHAT HIS COMMENTS WERE REGARDING YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THOSE ARE IMPORTANT TO ME. IF I COULD GET CLARIFICATION. >> IF YOU LOOK AT THE DIAGRAM, WHAT HE'S MENTIONING IS THAT -- AND RENE CAN COME UP AND CLARIFY, IF SHE NEEDS TO. WHEN THE DEVELOPER ONLY DEVELOPS ONE SIDE AND THE OTHER DEVELOPER DOESN'T BUILD THE OTHER SIDE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD THE FULL. THEY'LL BE REQUIRED BY UDC TO DO A TWO-WAY ROADWAY. BUT HE'S CORRECT IN THAT THEY'LL ONLY BUILD HALF THE STREET AND THEN YOU'LL END UP WITH A SCENARIO LIKE LIPES. >> Scott: WHY IS THAT SIGNIFICANT TO MY QUESTION ABOUT HOW THE DEVELOPER OUT THERE FEELS ABOUT YOUR FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS? >> WELL, THIS IS WHERE I CAN'T SPEAK FOR MR. MOSTAGHASI, BUT USUALLY WHAT SOME DEVELOPERS DO IS THEY'LL GO AND REQUEST PARTICIPATION MONIES TO BUILD THE FULL ROADWAY WHEN THEY OWN BOTH SIDES. IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, A DEVELOPER ONLY OWNS ONE SIDE AND A DIFFERENT DEVELOPER BUILDS ONE SIDE. THEY'LL ONLY BUILD HALF THE STREET UNTIL THE OTHER DEVELOPER COMES ALONG. THAT'S HOW THIS SCENARIO IS PRESENTING ITSELF. >> Scott: I KNOW BUT HOW DOES THAT TIE IN WITH MOVING FROM C-3 TO C-1? >> IT DOESN'T IMPACT THE ADJUSTMENTS. >> Scott: THAT'S MY POINT. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WHAT I WAS WILLING FROM THE MAJOR DEVELOPER IN THAT AREA, WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT HALF ROADS, IF THE GUY THAT'S OUT THERE DOING ALL THIS -- AND YOU'RE NOT ALONE. BUT WHAT MOSES THOUGHT ABOUT THOSE CHANGES. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IF HE SUPPORTED THEM OR NOT. THAT'S WHY I WAS GOING TO ASK HIM TO ANSWER MY QUESTION. IF I COULD GET MR. MOSTAGHASI TO COME TO THE PODIUM, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU, MAYOR? IT'S JUST A CLARIFICATION. >> Mayor Guajardo: YES, HE CAN. >> SORRY. WHEN YOU ONLY GET THREE MINUTES YOU'VE GOT TO GO VERY QUICKLY. I DO SUPPORT THE SIZE REDUCTIONS. THE SIDE REDUCTIONS WERE BASED ON A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS STUDY THAT ULTIMATELY ANALYZES THIS AREA IF -- AND THE KEY WORD IS IF THIS AREA IS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY. THIS AREA IS NOT ANNEXED INTO THE CITY SO ALL OF THIS DOESN'T MATTER UNTIL AREAS ARE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY. IF THEY'RE NOT ANNEXED, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 20-FOOT CROSSROADS. SO WE SUPPORT THIS IN A SENSE THE C-1 -- SO ERNIE IS CORRECT. YOU CAN MOVE ALIGNMENTS. THIS DEVELOPER RIGHT NOW CHOSE TO MOVE THE ALIGNMENT OF THE C-1 COLLECTOR WHICH IS NEWS TO ME BECAUSE ACCORDING TO THE NEW MASTER PLAN THAT WAS PASSED WITH THE IMPACT FEE STUDY, I THOUGHT THAT C-1 COLLECTORS COULDN'T HAVE HOMES ABUTTING IN FRONT OF IT. THIS UTP AMENDMENT SHOWS THE C-1 COLLECTOR, NO. 3 DIVIDING BETWEEN TWO PROPERTY LINES EXACTLY ALIGNING WITH THE COUNTY ROAD THAT EXISTS TODAY, WHICH IS IN TWO PROPERTY LINES. THEIR PRELIMINARY PLAT WAS APPROVED BY PLANNING COMMISSION WITH A SHIFT THAT PUT THAT WHOLE C-1 COLLECTOR ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY. SO THEY CHOSE TO SHIFT THAT C-1 COLLECTOR ON TO THEIR PROPERTY AND BUILD IT FOR ACCESS FOR THEMSELVES, WHICH SOMEWHAT LAND LOCKS THE PROPERTY RIGHT BELOW IT, WHICH GOES AGAINST THE UTP AMENDMENT. SO MY ISSUE WITH THIS, ONE PORTION OF IT IS IF WE HAVE A UTP AMENDMENT THEN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND PLANNING COMMISSION NEEDS TO, IN A SENSE, FOLLOW THAT SAME AMENDMENT. OR THEY HAVE TO COME BACK AND GET ANOTHER AMENDMENT. SO WHICH ONE IS VALID? THE UTP OR THE PLAT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. THERE IS SOMETIMES NOTES ON PLAT THAT SAY THAT THE PLAT IS CONDITIONAL ON THIS BEING APPROVED. SO IF THIS GETS APPROVED, TECHNICALLY THEIR PLAT DOESN'T COINCIDE WITH THE EXACT ALIGNMENT THAT'S HERE. NOW, PUBLIC WORKS WILL TELL YOU THESE ARE LINES THAT CAN BE ALTERED LEFT AND RIGHT. BUT THAT'S NORMALLY IF YOU OWN BOTH SIDES OF THE LAND YOU CAN ALTER LEFT/RIGHT. AS LONG AS THE END POINTS LINE UP WITH THE NEXT LANDOWNER'S PROPERTY. AGAIN, I SUPPORT NO. 1, NO. 2, I DEFINITELY SUPPORT NO. 4. I SUPPORT THE SIZING OF NO. 3. THE LOCATION, TO ME, IS ODD. AND I DON'T SUPPORT HALF ROADS BEING DEVELOPED ON ANY SIZE ROAD BECAUSE I THINK ULTIMATELY THAT'S A TRAFFIC ISSUE, THAT'S A SAFETY ISSUE. AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, THAT'S GOING TO BE A TAXPAYER ISSUE BECAUSE THOSE ROADS ARE GOING TO EVENTUALLY HAVE ISSUES AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MATCH. SO THIS ROAD WILL GET DEVELOPED. AND 20 YEARS FROM NOW THE ROAD ABUTTING IT WILL COME ALONG OR YOU'LL HAVE ANOTHER LIPES WHERE YOU HAVE TO VEER OFF TO THE LEFT. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S SEPARATE. WE ARE WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH ALL THE DEVELOPERS IN THE AREA TO MASTER PLAN THIS CORRECTLY BECAUSE TRAFFIC IS VERY IMPORTANT. I WILL ANSWER A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. THIS IS 2500 ACRES. LONDON ISD WAS PROMISED SOME LAND IN THE AREA. THAT PROMISE NO LONGER EXISTS SO THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GO IN THIS AREA. THAT PROMISE WASN'T FROM ME. BUT WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM TO TRY AND FIND THEM A NEW LOCATION IN THIS AREA, BECAUSE THEY WANT TO STOP HAVING ALL THEIR CAMPUSES ON ONE SITE. WE'RE PUSHING FOR EVERYBODY TO ANNEX, TO BE A PART OF THE TIRZ SO THAT THIS CAN ULTIMATELY GROW THE RIGHT WAY. BUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THIS PLANNING IS VERY KEY. HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS A LITTLE BIT OF QUESTIONS. >> Scott: THE PUBLIC HAS INVESTED IN MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF MONEY. WE WOULD LOVE FOR YOU GUYS TO BE A PART OF THE CITY AND WE COULD PROVIDE THE SERVICES AND THE TAX REVENUE. I GOT WHAT I NEEDED, MAYOR. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN. >> Vaughn: I THINK HE IS PROBABLY ONE OF OUR REALLY GOOD BUILDERS THAT CARES ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE CITY AND WHAT WE DO NOW IS GOING TO MATTER DOWN THE ROAD. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH HIM ON THE HALF ROADS. HOW CAN WE CHANGE THAT? TO ME, THAT IS A RIDICULOUS THING TO DO, TO GET TO BUILD HALF A ROAD. AND THEN IT'S DOWN THE ROAD -- WHAT CAN WE DO TO CHANGE THAT? >> JUST GET MORE MONEY, MORE BUDGET TO DO THE PARTICIPATION AGREEMENTS AND BUILD THE FULL ROADWAY. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? >> Vaughn: NO, THE DEVELOPER NEEDS TO PAY FOR THE ENTIRE ROAD. >> YEAH. GO AHEAD. >> I GUESS TO CLARIFY, ON THE MASTER PLAN THAT WE HAD SET UP IS THAT IT SPLITS THESE PROPOSED ALIGNMENTS ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE. HISTORICALLY, WHENEVER SOMEONE COMES TO DEVELOP, IF YOU DON'T OWN THE PROPERTY ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT PROPOSED ALIGNMENT, YOU'RE JUST REQUIRED TO GIVE HALF DEDICATION. THAT'S WHY YOU END UP WITH HALF STREETS BECAUSE IT'S JUST HOW THIS MASTER PLAN HAS BEEN SET UP HISTORICALLY. NOW IF THESE ALIGNMENTS RUN IN THE MIDDLE OF A PROPERTY THAT YOU OWN, YOU'RE AT LEAST REQUIRED TO BUILD UP TO A C-1. BUT TO MOSES' POINT, THAT'S WHY YOU END UP WITH THESE HALF STREETS BECAUSE YOU HAVE ONE DEVELOPER ON ONE SIDE, ANOTHER ON ANOTHER SIDE AND EACH IS ONLY REQUIRED TO DEDICATE HALF OF THAT PROPOSED RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> Vaughn: YOU'RE SMART. YOU NEED TO COME UP WITH A WAY TO CHANGE THAT. >> OUR UDC DOES SAY THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN DENY HALF STREETS BUT IF YOU DO ALLOW IT, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO AT LEAST BUILD FOR TWO-WAY TRAFFIC. >> Vaughn: MAYBE WE NEED TO TALK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ. >> Hernandez: I KNOW THIS IS A TWO READING, BECAUSE IT'S AN ORDINANCE. I'LL EXPECT A FEW THINGS. PETER, I'D LIKE TO HAVE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES HERE TO ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS ON WHAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S ANDREW DIMAS OR MIKE DICE TO EXPLAIN HOW THIS IS ALL SET UP. I ALSO WANT SOME CLARITY, IF YOU CAN BUILD HOUSES ON A C-1, SPECIFICALLY IS THERE SOMETHING IN THE UDC THAT SAYS THAT I WANT SOME CLARITY ON THAT. I WANT SOME IDEA OF WHERE THE SCHOOL -- I GUESS THE SCHOOL WAS PROMISED A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND NOW IT'S NOT THERE. BUT THAT ALSO HAS IMPACT ON WHERE, WHAT SIZE OF ROADS YOU'RE GOING TO NEED. I BELIEVE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE AN ELEMENTARY. THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS HERE THAT I DON'T WANT TO SET US UP FOR FAILURE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL COME BACK TO US IF WE ANNEX AND THE UTP IS IN PLACE. I'M GOING TO VOTE TO APPROVE IT AND WE'LL TALK WHEN YOU COME BACK FOR THE SECOND READING. >> WE'LL BRING YOU THAT DATA. >> Hernandez: AND ESPECIALLY THE SAME WHERE THE ALIGNMENT IS FOR THAT SECTION GOING THROUGH KING'S LAKE. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GOING TO RIGHT WAY. BUT ALL THIS INFORMATION, WE GOT TO HAVE -- WE'RE MAKING THE DECISIONS. THEY'RE GOING TO BE GENERATIONAL AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY. THANK YOU. >> [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Guajardo: WE HAVE A MOTION. DID WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> Mayor Guajardo: ANY FURTHER -- SHOULD I ASK? PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. THE MOTION CARRIES. WE HAVE ITEM 29 AND THEN WE WILL BREAK FOR LUNCH. THIS IS THE LAST ITEM PULLED AND THIS IS SENDING -- SORRY. ORDINANCE ADDING ANNEXED AREAS TO CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT 1 AND 3. WHO PULLED 29? GO AHEAD. >> Campos: I WANTED TO SEE, BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS AROUND THE BOOTSTRAPS MAKEUP, I BELIEVE RIGHT? ISN'T IT AROUND THERE? THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SEE. IS BOOTSTRAPS AROUND THIS DISTRICT? >> Mayor Guajardo: WHERE WAS BOOTSTRAP? >> LIONDALE. >> Campos: IS THIS PART OF IT? >> Mayor Guajardo: NO. >> Campos: NO, NOT AT ALL? MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN CANTU, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR A COMMENT? >> Cantu: OH, I WAS JUST TRYING TO, BEFORE THIS ITEM CAME UP, I WANTED TO SEE IF WE COULD GET PD OUT OF THE WAY. THEY'VE BEEN WAITING. I THINK IT WOULD BE PRETTY QUICK. >> Mayor Guajardo: OH, THE CRIME. >> Cantu: YEAH. THEY'VE BEEN WAITING FOR A WHILE. >> Mayor Guajardo: RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE PD. >> Cantu: THERE'S TOO MANY OF THEM. WE NEED THEM ON THE STREETS. >> Barrera: WE'RE SAFE. >> Mayor Guajardo: I KNOW. I FEEL SO SAFE TODAY. >> Campos: MOTION TO APPROVE. >> Mayor Guajardo: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. THIS IS JUST FOR THE ORDINANCE ANNEXING. YOU ASKED YOUR QUESTION. YEAH. >> Mayor Guajardo: THE MOTION CARRIES. PD, WHERE ARE YOU? IT IS 2:46. YEAH, BUT WE'VE GOT SOME EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEMS AS WELL. CHIEF MARKLE, ARE YOU PRESENTING? WHO'S PRESENTING? OH, BACK HERE. >> Zanoni: IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT, RIGHT, CHIEF? YOU'RE PROBABLY TALKING 30 TO 45 MINUTES MAYOR. >> [OFF MIC] >> GO TO LUNCH. I WANT Y'ALL TO BE IN A GREAT MOOD. >> Mayor Guajardo: WE'RE GOING TO BE IN A MUCH BETTER MOOD AFTER LUNCH. BUT I'M HAPPY TO DO IT. >> Cantu: SHOULD WE GO EAT LUNCH AND COME RIGHT BACK? >> Mayor Guajardo: WE HAVE FOUR. >> Barrera: I THINK WE OUGHT TO MAKE TUESDAY A FASTING DAY. >> Mayor Guajardo: YOU'RE RIGHT. SO LET'S GO. WE'RE GOING TO BREAK FOR LUNCH. WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT. I'M GOING TO STATE THIS BUT WE'LL SEE WHAT WE DO. ALL RIGHT. SO THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION -- NOT NECESSARILY, THOUGH, BUT I'M GOING TO STATE IT JUST IN CASE. ITEMS 38 THROUGH 41 PER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.071. 551.072 AND 551.74. WE WILL RETURN. QUICKLY. WE'RE GOING TO GO FAST, GUYS. LADIES. [EXECUTIVE SESSION] >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND RECONVENE OUR MEETING AND WE'RE GOING TO HEAR ITEM NUMBER 35, WHICH IS A BRIEFING UP NEXT. OUR CRIME STATISTICS BRIEFING. >> Chief Markle: GOOD AFTERNOON, MIKE MARKLE, PLEASE DEPARTMENT. THANK YOU FOR SKIPPING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. I APPRECIATE THAT. [LAUGHTER] >> Chief Markle: MAKES US FEEL SPECIAL. TODAY'S BRIEFING IS GOING TO BE FOLLOW-UP TO SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS. I INVITE LOTS OF QUESTIONS, REMEMBER, YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT TRACKS THOUSANDS OF POINTS OF INTERSECTING CRIME DATA, SO FOR US TO BARRAGE YOU WITH OPEN NUMBERS WOULD PROBABLY BE CONFUSING AND NOT LEAVE YOU IN A GOOD PLACE, RIGHT? SO YOU'LL RECEIVE GENERAL NUMBERS AND I CO I ENCOURAGE YOU DISTRICT-WISE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT NUANCES ABOUT YOUR DISTRICT OR WHAT CRIMES YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT, PLEASE I INVITE YOU TO ANSWER AS MANY QUESTIONS AS YOU FEEL NECESSARY AND WANT TO BE CURIOUS ABOUT. PRIMARY PRESENTATION WILL BE TODD GREEN AND HIS DEPUTY CHIEF, FOLLOWED BY HOLLIS BOWERS OVER IN NARCOTIC VICE AND OUR GANG UNIT CAPTAIN IS HERE, CAPTAIN MOORE, AND PRESENTING WILL BE [INDISCERNIBLE] WHO IS A WONDERFUL EXAMPLE OF OUR GANG UNIT AND SPECIAL TASK FORCE OFFICER, SO ASK AWAY. ENJOY YOUR OFFICERS, AND, PLEASE, BE INQUISITIVE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, CHIEF. TODD GREEN, ASSISTANT CHIEF OF THE INVESTIGATIONS BUREAU AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THANK YOU, COUNCIL, FOR HAVING US BACK TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE CRIME DATA UPDATES FROM LAST MEETING AS WELL AS SOME OF THE MORE RECENT CRIME REDUCTION INITIATIVES AND PROGRAMS WE'VE GOT GOING AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. TODAY'S PRESENTATION WILL COVER CRIME RATES BY EACH INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL DISTRICT. WE HAVE A COMPARISON OF CORPUS CHRISTI CRIME RATES TO OTHER CITIES OF SIMILAR POPULATION ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, WE HAVE SOME INFORMATION ON CRIMES BY AND AGAINST HOMELESS -- THE HOMELESS POPULATION, CRIME PREVENTION PROGRAMS, NARCOTICS CRIMES AND GANGS AND GANG-RELATED CRIME. SO THIS FIRST SLIDE SHOWS VIOLENT CRIME RATES BY COUNCIL DISTRICTS PER 10,000 PEOPLE. AND WE WENT BACK FIVE YEARS AND LOOKED AT FIVE YEARS' WORTH OF DATA, AND THE VIOLENT CRIME -- THESE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT WE REPORT YEARLY TO THE FBI THAT COMPILE -- OR COMPRISE THE UNIFORM CRIME REPORT. SO THESE ARE OFFICIAL NUMBERS THAT WE -- WE SEND TO THE FBI ON A YEARLY BASIS. AND THAT VIOLENT CRIME INCLUDES MURDER, RAPE AND AGGRAVATED ASSAULT. SO LOOKING AT THIS TABLE OVER A PERIOD OF FIVE YEARS, EVERY FOUR OUT OF THE FIVE COUNCIL DISTRICTS EXPERIENCED A REDUCTION IN VIOLENT CRIME, ALL BUT ONE DISTRICT, DISTRICT 2, SAW A SLIGHT INCREASE IN VIOLENT CRIME FROM 105 IN 2020 TO 112 IN 2024. AND THAT IS -- AGAIN, THAT'S THE NUMBER PER 10,000 POPULATION. NEXT. THE REASON -- THE REASON WE USE THE NUMBER PER 10,000, GENERALLY WHEN YOU SEE CRIME STATS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, IT'S USUALLY PER 100,000, BUT SINCE WE'RE LOOKING AT EACH INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL DISTRICT AND THERE IS NO COUNCIL DISTRICT THAT HAS OVER 100,000 POPULATION, WE BROKE IT DOWN INTO PER 10,000 TO BE ABLE TO SHOW A GOOD COMPARISON ACROSS DISTRICTS. SO THIS NEXT SLIDE IS THE PROPERTY CRIME RATE BY DISTRICT. AGAIN, OVER FIVE YEARS. THAT INCLUDES -- PROPERTY CRIME INCLUDES BURGLARY, LARCENY, WHICH IS SHOPLIFTING, MOTOR -- BURGLARIES OF MOTOR VEHICLES AND THOSE TYPES OF THEFTS, AND THEN MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT. AGAIN, EACH -- OR FOUR OUT OF THE FIVE DISTRICTS SAW A REDUCTION IN PROPERTY CRIME FROM 2020 TO 2024. DISTRICT 2 HAD A VERY SLIGHT INCREASE FROM 355 TO 358. NEXT. THIS NEXT SLIDE IS -- SHOWS THE 2023 VIOLENT CRIME RATES, A COMPARISON OF CORPUS CHRISTI'S VIOLENT CRIME RATE TO 18 OTHER CITIES OF SIMILAR POPULATION ACROSS THE UNITED STATES. AND AS YOU CAN SEE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SLIDE, IT SHOWS WHERE CORPUS CHRISTI RANKS IN COMPARISON TO THOSE OTHER CITIES. OVERALL VIOLENT CRIME, WE ARE NUMBER EIGHT. MURDER RATE, WE ARE 13TH, RAPE, WE ARE 13TH, ROBBERY, WE ARE 14TH, AND AGGRAVATED ASSAULT, WE ARE SEVENTH OUT OF THOSE 19 TOTAL CITIES. NEXT PLEASE. SO THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS OUR PROPERTY CRIME RATE, 2023 PROPERTY CRIME RATE, CORPUS CHRISTI'S PROPERTY CRIME RATE IN COMPARISON TO THOSE SAME 18 CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AND OVERALL PROPERTY CRIME WE ARE NUMBER 12, BURGLARY, NUMBER 10. LARCENY, WHICH, AGAIN, IS YOUR THEFTS, YOUR MINOR THEFTS AND THEFTS FROM MOTOR VEHICLES WERE NUMBER EIGHT, AND UMV WHICH IS MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT, WE ARE 17TH OUT OF THE 19 CITIES. WE HAVE A VERY EFFECTIVE AND ACTIVE AUTO THEFT TASK FORCE HERE IN CORPUS CHRISTI THAT THEY WORK VERY HARD TO KEEP THE NUMBERS DOWN, AND THEY'RE DOING A VERY GOOD JOB DOING THAT AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE NUMBERS REFLECT THAT. ONE THING I WOULD CAUTION ANYBODY THAT USE THIS DATA TO COMPARE CORPUS CHRISTI TO OTHER CITIES IS ALTHOUGH WE'RE SIMILAR POPULATIONS, THERE'S NO CITY ON THIS LIST THAT IS IDENTICAL TO CORPUS CHRISTI. EVERY ONE OF THESE CITIES HAVE DIFFERENT MAKEUPS AND DIFFERENT FACTORS THAT IMPACT THEIR CRIME RATE. FREKSZ, IF YOU LOOK AT COLUMN 3, IT SHOWS HOW MANY SWORN OFFICERS THOSE POLICE DEPARTMENTS EMPLOY. AND IF YOU WOULD NOTICE, CORPUS CHRISTI IN 2023, WE WERE AT APPROXIMATELY 458. I THINK WE'RE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER NOW, WE'RE AT 466 ROUGHLY. IF YOU LOOK AT THE CITY RIGHT BELOW THAT, CINCINNATI, THEIR SWORN STRENGTH WAS 916 SWORN OFFICERS, AND THEIR POPULATION WAS APPROXIMATELY 5,000 LESS THAN US. SO THAT CERTAINLY HAS A BIG IMPACT ON THE DIFFERENCES WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT CITIES, YOU'VE GOT TO CONSIDER SOME OF THESE THINGS. MANY OF THESE CITIES HAVE A SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT THAT ALSO PROVIDES LAW ENFORCEMENT SERVICES WITHIN THEIR CITY LIMITS. CORPUS CHRISTI DOES NOT. THE NUECES COUNTY LAW ENFORCEMENT, THEY PERFORM THEIR LAW ENFORCEMENT DUTIES PRIMARILY OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS FOR THE VAST MAJORITY. THE OTHER FACTORS TO CONSIDER ARE THE GEOGRAPHIC SIZE OF THE CITY. CORPUS CHRISTI HAS A PRETTY LARGE GEOGRAPHICAL AREA FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO COVER. IT'S LAID OUT VERY -- LIKE IN A CRESCENT AS OPPOSED TO MANY CITIES ARE MORE OF A CIRCULAR AREA. AND, OF COURSE, WHEN YOU HAVE THAT CRESCENT, IT MAKES IT HARDER TO MOVE POLICE RESOURCES ACROSS FROM ONE END TO THE CITY TO THE OTHER. OBVIOUSLY FOR US, IT'S VERY UNCOMMON FOR AN OFFICER THAT WORKS OUT IN THE CALALLEN AREA OR SOMEPLACE LIKE THAT TO MAKE A CALL ON PADRE ISLAND. IT WOULD TAKE, YOU KNOW, HALF AN HOUR FOR THEM JUST TO GET THERE, SO IT DOES PRESENT SOME OF THOSE PROBLEMS. OTHER THINGS TO CONSIDER WITH THESE DIFFERENT CITIES IS WHAT IS THEIR PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE LIKE, THEIR DISTRICT ATTORNEY, HOW AGGRESSIVE ARE THEY ON CRIME, HOW WELL STAFFED ARE THEY. CURRENTLY, OUR NUECES COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS APPROXIMATELY 12 PROSECUTORS SHORT OF FULL STAFFING. AND JUST LIKE ANY ORGANIZATION, OUR ORGANIZATION INCLUDED, IF WE'RE SHORTHANDED, IT MAKES US HARDER FOR US TO DELIVER -- DELIVER OUR SERVICES. AND THEY CERTAINLY DO A GOOD JOB THERE AT THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WITH WHAT THEY HAVE, BUT THEY ARE CERTAINLY HAMSTRUNG BY A LACK OF ENOUGH PROSECUTORS. AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE COURT SYSTEM, IT ENTERS INTO IT AS WELL. ARE THERE ENOUGH COURTS? ARE THERE ENOUGH JUDGES TO HANDLE THE AMOUNT OF CRIME -- OR THE AMOUNT OF CASES THAT WE PUSH TO THE PROSECUTORS WHO, IN TURN, THERE HAVE TO BE COURTS IN ORDER TO HANDLE ALL OF THAT. JAIL CAPACITY'S ANOTHER ISSUE. THESE JURISDICTIONS, DO THEY HAVE JAIL CAPACITY LARGE ENOUGH TO KEEP PEOPLE IN JAIL WHEN WE ARREST THEM, WHEN WE FIND THEM COMMITTING CRIMES UNTIL THEIR TRIAL DATE OR DO THEY HAVE TO RELEASE THEM ON A CONSTANT BASIS BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO KEEP THE JAIL FROM BEING OVERPOPULATED. THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT WE EXPERIENCE HERE IN NUECES COUNTY. THE JAIL IS FREQUENTLY EITHER AT OR NEAR CAPACITY, AND DECISIONS HAVE TO BE MADE ABOUT LETTING PEOPLE GO ON BONDS WHO MANY TIMES GO RIGHT BACK OUT ON THE STREET AND REOFFEND. AND THEN PRISON CAPACITY AS WELL. IF WE DO MAKE IT THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM, THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THEY'RE CONVICTED, IS THERE CAPACITY IN THE PRISON SYSTEM TO MAKE THEM SERVE THEIR FULL SENTENCE, OR ARE THEY GETTING OUT, YOU KNOW, WITH SHORTENED SENTENCES VERY QUICKLY BECAUSE OF LACK OF PRISON SPACE? AND THEN LASTLY SOCIOECONOMIC FACTORS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE CITIES ON THIS LIST I THINK ARE PRETTY HIGH INCOME SUBURBS OF LARGE METROPOLITAN AREAS, THEY'RE NOT A STAND-ALONE CITY LIKE CORPUS CHRISTI. SO THERE'S MANY FACTORS THERE THAT IMPACT CRIME RATES. WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE STILL DO A VERY GOOD JOB. OUR CRIME RATES MAY BE A LITTLE HIGHER IN COMPARISON TO SOME OF THESE CITIES, BUT WE DO AN EXCELLENT JOB WITH OUR CLEARANCE RATES. THE NATIONAL -- THE NATIONAL CLEARANCE RATE FOR HOMICIDE HAS FALLEN STEADILY OVER THE YEARS FROM -- WELL, IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, IT WAS IN THE MID 60s. THE MOST RECENT DATA THAT I COULD FIND, IT HAD FALLEN TO 58% CLEARANCE RATE. THAT MEANS A PERSON THAT COMMITS A MURDER, 58% CHANCE THAT THEY GET ARRESTED, THAT SOMEBODY IS ARRESTED FOR THAT CRIME. THAT'S NATIONWIDE. OUR CLEARANCE RATE FOR HOMICIDE OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS IS 95%. WE HAVE SOME OUTSTANDING DETECTIVES, WE HAVE REALLY GOOD PATROL OFFICERS, WE HAVE AN OUTSTANDING CRIME SCENE UNIT THAT ALL WORK TOGETHER TO IMPACT THOSE CLEARANCE RATES. OUR SEXUAL ASSAULT CLEARANCE RATE IS 30% WHERE THE NATIONWIDE AVERAGE IS 27. OUR CLEARANCE RATE FOR ROBBERY IS 29%. THE NATIONAL AVERAGE IS 27. OUR AGGRAVATED ASSAULT CLEARANCE RATE IS 39%, THE NATIONAL AVERAGE IS A LITTLE HIGHER AT 46. SO WE KNOW WE HAVE SOME WORK TO DO THERE, AND THERE'S SEVERAL INITIATIVES THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE TO IMPACT THAT. LOOKING AT PROPERTY CRIMES, THE -- OUR CLEARANCE RATE IS 13% FOR BURGLARIES. NATIONWIDE, IT'S 14. FOR LARCENY, OVERALL LARCENY, OUR CLEARANCE RATE IS 22% AND NATIONWIDE, IT'S ONLY 15%, SO WE'RE 7% OVER THE NATIONAL AVERAGE WHEN IT COMES TO CLEARANCE RATES. AND THEN FOR MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT, OUR CLEARANCE RATE IS 16% AND THE NATIONAL AVERAGE IS ONLY 8%, SO WE'RE DOUBLE THE NATIONAL AVERAGE. AND I THINK THERE AGAIN, THAT SPEAKS TO HOW GOOD OUR AUTO THEFT TASK FORCE IS, AND, OF COURSE, THE PATROL OFFICERS AND THE OFFICERS THAT WORK THE STREETS, SO THAT'S SOME PRETTY GOOD NUMBERS THERE. SO THIS NEXT SLIDE IS A QUICK SNAPSHOT OF HOMELESS CRIME. WE WERE ASKED ABOUT HOMELESS CRIME, I THINK, IN THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING AND HOW DOES THAT -- WHAT DO OUR NUMBERS LOOK LIKE FOR HOMELESS CRIMES, INVOLVING HOMELESS PEOPLE. SO WE ONLY WENT BACK TWO YEARS, AND IF YOU LOOK, THE TABLE ON THE LEFT IS OFFENDERS, SO THAT'S HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE ARRESTED FOR VARIOUS OFFENSES. I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE -- GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE -- OR THAT TABLE, MOST OF THE CRIMES THAT THE HOMELESS ARE ARRESTED FOR ARE THE NUISANCE CRIMES, THE QUALITY OF LIFE CRIMES, CERTAINLY, THAT ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITY, BUT PUBLIC INTOXICATION, CRIMINAL TRESPASS, DRUG POSSESSION AND WARRANTS OF ARREST, WHICH FREQUENTLY ARE WARRANTS THAT COME OUT BECAUSE THEY WERE ARRESTED AND THEN THEY FAILED TO SHOW UP FOR THEIR COURT DATE, SO THERE'S A WARRANT ISSUED FOR THEM TO BE REARRESTED. THE SECOND TABLE IS THE HOMELESS VICTIMS AND BECAUSE THEY ARE A VULNERABLE POPULATION OUT ON THE STREET, THEY ARE EASY TARGETS MANY TIMES FOR -- FOR PEOPLE THAT COMMIT SEXUAL ASSAULTS OR AGGRAVATED ASSAULTS AGAINST THEM. LARCENY, EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY NOT HAVE MUCH, THEY ARE VICTIMS OF THEFT, JUST LIKE ANYBODY ELSE THAT LIVES IN A HOUSE. SO THESE NUMBERS, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW REAL QUICKLY HOW WE GOT THIS NUMBERS, HOMELESSNESS IS NOT A CRIME, SO WE DON'T TRACK IT NECESSARILY. OBVIOUSLY, WE CAN'T ARREST SOMEBODY FOR BEING HOMELESS, AND WE GENERALLY, WHEN WE RESPOND TO A CALL, WE DON'T ASK PEOPLE, ARE YOU HOMELESS. IT'S NOT PART OF OUR PROTOCOL. THE ONLY TIME WE WOULD GENERALLY DO THAT IS IF WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOMEBODY SOME SERVICES AND WE MAY ASK THEM, HEY, IF YOU'RE HOMELESS, WE HAVE SOME GREAT PEOPLE, WE HAVE A HOMELESS RESOURCE OFFICER ON OUR DEPARTMENT, WE MAY ASK THEM, HEY, ARE YOU HOMELESS, CAN WE HELP YOU? CAN WE GET YOU IN TRUCH WITH THE HOMELESS RESOURCE OFFICER? MAYBE GET YOU INTO SOME HOUSING, GET YOU SOME FOOD, SOME CLOTHING, SOME MEDICAL CARE, MENTAL HEALTHCARE, WHATEVER IT IS. SO WE DON'T GENERALLY ASK THEM, AND WE DON'T HAVE A SYSTEM TO REALLY RECORD THAT. SO THIS DATA THAT WE -- WE'RE ABLE TO PULL OUT OF OUR COMPUTER SYSTEM, OUR RECORDS SYSTEM, WAS SPECIFICALLY IF WHEN THEY WERE EITHER ARRESTED OR THEY WERE A VICTIM. IF THEY USED AN ADDRESS OF ONE OF OUR LOCAL HOMELESS SHELTERS, THEN WE WERE ABLE TO GO AND PULL THAT OUT, AND WE RECOGNIZE, WELL, IF YOU'RE USING AN ADDRESS OF A HOMELESS SHELTER, YOU'RE PROBABLY HOMELESS. BUT MANY, MANY TIMES THAT'S NOT THE CASE. THEY USE AN OLD ADDRESS, THEY HAVE ID WITH THEIR PRIOR HOME ADDRESS, SO WE DON'T KNOW. I WOULD GUESS THAT THESE NUMBERS ARE PROBABLY MAYBE THREE TIMES AS HIGH, JUST LOOKING AT THEM. BUT WE DID THE BEST WE COULD TO TRY TO PULL THE DATA OUT OF THE SYSTEM, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. NEXT SLIDE. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO IN ORDER TO TRY TO MAXIMIZE OUR EFFECTIVENESS AND OUR LOCAL IMPACT IS WE WORK CLOSELY WITH A NUMBER OF FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AND SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS, AND WE HAVE GOOD RELATIONSHIPS WITH THESE AGENCIES, THESE ORGANIZATIONS, AND WE USE IT TO -- LIKE I SAID, TO MULTIPLY OUR IMPACT ON LOCAL CRIME. IF YOU WOULD NOTICE FOR THE FEDERAL -- ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE COLUMN, OUT OF THE FEDERAL AGENCIES, WE HAVE CORPUS CHRISTI POLICE OFFICERS THAT ARE ASSIGNED OR EMBEDDED ACTUALLY, WITH THESE VARIOUS LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES. THEY WORK RIGHT ALONGSIDE WITH THE FEDERAL PARTNERS, AND THEY'RE ABLE TO MAXIMIZE, THEY'RE ABLE TO USE FEDERAL RESOURCES ON LOCAL CRIME, TARGETING LOCAL CRIME, LOCAL CRIMINALS. WE'RE ABLE TO GET LOCAL CRIMES FILED INTO THE FEDERAL SYSTEM, WHICH THE FEDERAL SYSTEM GENERALLY IS MUCH MORE -- IF THERE'S A CONVICTION, THE SENTENCES ARE MUCH LONGER, THEY'RE MUCH MORE IMPACTFUL. AND THEN JUST TO BE ABLE TO USE ALL THE RESOURCES THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS, THE FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, THE DATABASES, THE RESOURCES, THE EQUIPMENT, THE INTELLIGENCE ANALYSTS, ALL THE THINGS THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN HELP US WITH, SO THAT'S A GREAT BENEFIT. AND WE MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE'RE DOING THIS, WE'RE LOOKING AT LOCAL CRIME, LOCAL CRIMINALS. THIS IS NOT -- WE'RE NOT GIVING THEM TO THE FEDERAL AGENCIES TO GO, YOU KNOW, WORK CASES OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS. IT'S VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT TARGETING LOCAL CRIME. NEXT. THIS NEXT SLIDE SHOWS SOME OF THE MANY CRIME REDUCTION UNITS THAT WE HAVE HERE IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SEVERAL OF THE MANY INITIATIVES THAT EITHER THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TOTALLY SUPPORTS OR THAT WE ARE MEMBERS OF OR WE TAKE PART IN. SO THE COLUMN ON THE LEFT IS THE UNITS WITHIN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, IT'S NOT COMPREHENSIVE, IT'S STILL -- I PROBABLY LEFT A FEW THINGS OUT, BUT THESE ARE S SOME OF THE MORE IMPORTANT ONES THAT WE USE THAT ARE DIRECTED SPECIFICALLY TOWARDS DIFFERENT TYPES OF CRIMES. YOU SEE THE BIKE UNIT, THE ENDURO UNIT, THE GANG UNIT, WHICH YOU'LL BE HEARING A PRESENTATION ON LATER IN THIS PRESENTATION. THE ONE -- THERE'S TWO UNITS IN PARTICULAR I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT REAL QUICKLY BEFORE I WRAP UP AND TURN IT OVER TO DEPUTY CHIEF BOWERS, AND THAT'S THE VIOLENT CRIME UNIT. AND OUR NIBEN UNIT OR GUN TRACE UNIT. THE VIOLENT CRIME UNIT WAS PUT TOGETHER LAST NOVEMBER AFTER THE DEPARTMENT AND SPECIFICALLY CHIEF MARKLE RECOGNIZED THERE WAS A DEFINITE INCREASE IN VIOLENT CRIME WITH YOUNG INDIVIDUALS BETWEEN 16 AND 24 THAT WERE ENGAGING IN -- CONSISTENTLY ENGAGING IN VIOLENT GUN-RELATED CRIME, FIREARMS RELATED CRIME. AND IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS A GROWING PATTERN, SO THIS UNIT WAS FORMED TO -- SPECIFICALLY TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE. A TOTAL OF 13 OFFICERS FROM VARIOUS UNITS IN THE DEPARTMENT WERE PERMANENTLY REASSIGNED TO THIS UNIT. AND ITS TASK -- THE UNIT'S TASKED WITH REDUCING ALL VIOLENT CRIME, BUT ESPECIALLY VIOLENT -- GUN CRIME, GUN CRIMES. THEY USE A VARIETY OF TACTICS TO ACCOMPLISH THEIR GOAL, WHICH INCLUDE HIGH VISIBILITY SWEEPS OF KNOWN HIGH-CRIME AREAS, BAR INSPECTIONS, TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT, INCREASED TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT AT NIGHT AND ON THE FREEWAYS, AND YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN SOME STORIES ABOUT THE RECKLESS DRIVERS THAT THEY'RE TAKING OFF THE STREET EVERY WEEKEND, BASICALLY. AND THEY'RE FINDING WEAPONS ON THESE PEOPLE. THEY DO SURVEILLANCE OF KNOWN VIOLENT OFFENDERS, THEY MONITOR SOCIAL MEDIA AND CONDUCT OTHER PROACTIVE ENFORCEMENT TACTICS. SOCIAL MEDIA IS KIND OF THE GANG GRAFFITI OF THE 2020s NOW. THERE'S A LOT THAT YOU CAN -- THAT YOU CAN LEARN AND YOU CAN FIND A LOT OUT ABOUT PEOPLE AS OPPOSED TO BACK IN THE '90S WHEN I WAS OUT THERE, IT WAS ON THE -- IT WAS ON THE WALLS. WELL, NOW, IT'S ON PHONES, IT'S ON CELL PHONES. SO THE VIOLENT CRIME UNIT EMBRACES INTELLIGENCE-LED POLICING. THEY COLLABORATE WITH OUR CRIME ANALYSTS AND COMB THROUGH NUMEROUS CCPD DATABASES AND PLATFORMS TO IDENTIFY VIOLENT CRIME HOT SPOTS AND OFFENDERS. SO THEY GO AFTER BOTH THE AREAS WHERE THERE'S AN INCREASE IN VIOLENT GUN CRIME AND THEN THEY ALSO IDENTIFY THE OFFENDERS, ESPECIALLY REPEAT OFFENDERS AND WE COME AT THEM FROM DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS, WE TRY TO GO AFTER THE OFFENDERS WHEN WE GO AFTER THE HOT SPOTS. THE VIOLENT CRIME UNIT OFFICERS THEN WORK CLOSELY WITH OUR CID, WITH OUR GANG UNIT, OUR NARCOTICS AND VICE INVESTIGATIONS DIVISION, AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THEY GO OUT AND TARGET THOSE HOT SPOTS AND THOSE OFFENDERS. JUST SINCE NOVEMBER, THEY'VE BEEN VERY EFFECTIVE IN DOING THIS, AND THEY'VE MADE 96 GANG CONTACTS, THEY'VE CONDUCTED 2643 INVESTIGATIONS, THEY'VE MADE 244 FELONY ARRESTS, 268 MISDEMEANOR ARRESTS, AND PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT STATISTIC, THEY'VE TAKEN 93 FIREARMS AWAY FROM VIOLENT OFFENDERS AND OFF OF KNOWN VIOLENT OFFENDERS JUST IN THAT TIME PERIOD. THEY'VE BEEN VERY, VERY SUCCESSFUL UNIT. AND THEY ARE VERY -- VERY GOOD. VERY GOOD INVESTIGATORS AND ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE. THE NEXT -- THE LAST UNIT THAT I WANTED TO SPEAK OF IS OUR NIBEN UNIT OR OUR GUN TRACE UNIT, THAT MAY MAKE MORE SENSE. NIB NATIONAL INTEGRATED POLICE TICK INFORMATION NETWORK IT'S A DATABASE RUN BY THE ALCOHOL, TOBACCO AND FIREARMS BUREAU, AND WHAT THAT DATABASE DOES IS ANY TIME THERE'S A GUN-RELATED OR -- YEAH, GUN-RELATED CRIME, WE ENTER THE BULLET CASINGS OR WEAPONS THAT WE RECOVER, WE ENTER INTO THAT SYSTEM. AND THAT SYSTEM IS ABLE TO CONNECT VARIOUS VIOLENT CRIMES TO -- YOU KNOW, TO THAT PARTICULAR GUN AND EVENTUALLY, HOPEFULLY, TO THE OFFENDER. SO OUR -- WE HAVE TWO DETECTIVES THAT ARE ASSIGNED TO ATF, AND THAT IS THEIR MISSION. THEY WORK ALONGSIDE OUR FORENSIC FIREARMS EXAMINER, WE HAVE TWO OF THOSE IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, SO WHEN WE RECEIVE CASINGS OR WE RECEIVE A WEAPON, THEY RUN THAT THROUGH THE NIBIN SYSTEM AND THEY LOOK FOR COMPARISONS AND THEY MATCH IT UP. AND IT'S FASCINATING HOW MANY TIMES WHEN WE RECOVER A WEAPON FROM SOMEBODY, WE FIND OUT -- THEY DO A TEST FIRING AND WE FIND OUT THAT GUN'S BEEN INVOLVED IN A DRIVE-BY SHOOTING, AN AGGRAVATED ASSAULT, SHOTS FIRED CALLS, THREE, FOUR, FIVE DIFFERENT TIMES WITHIN A PERIOD OF A YEAR OR SO. SO THESE DETECTIVES TAKE THAT INFORMATION AND, AGAIN, THEY WORK WITH OUR VIOLENT CRIME UNIT, THEY WORK WITH OUR DETECTIVES, THEY WORK WITH OUR NARCOTICS OFFICERS, WHATEVER IT TAKES, TO GO OUT AND FILE CHARGES AND FIND THOSE PEOPLE AND FILE CHARGES ON THEM, RECOVER MORE WEAPONS, IF WE CAN. AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. AND JUST TO WRAP UP MY PORTION OF IT, JUST TO SHOW HOW SUCCESSFUL THIS -- THESE TWO INITIATIVES AND OVERALL THE EMPHASIS ON VIOLENT GUN CRIME, YEAR-TO-DATE AS OF TODAY, WE'VE SEEN A 16% DECREASE IN AGGRAVATED ASSAULTS SO FAR SO IT'S IMPACTFUL WHAT WE'RE DOING OUT THERE. AND PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE IS WE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO ALL THIS IF IT HADN'T BEEN FOR THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY MANAGER AND THE MAYOR GIVING US THE ADDITIONAL OFFICERS TO GO OUT THERE AND DO THESE TYPES OF THINGS AND GO AFTER THESE CRIMINALS. WE JUST DID NOT HAVE THE PERSONNEL. FIVE, SIX YEARS AGO WE COULDN'T HAVE CREATED THIS UNIT WITHOUT SEVERELY IMPACTING SOMEWHERE ELSE. SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD HAVE HAD TO REALLY SUFFER. BUT BECAUSE OF THE ADDITIONAL OFFICERS THAT THE COUNCIL HAS PROVIDED US, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO. AND AT THAT POINT I AM -- BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO DEPUTY CHIEF BOWERS, I WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON. >> Paxson: THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY GREAT DETAILS IN THERE. I KNOW WE ALL ARE IMPACTED BY THIS TO ONE DEGREE OR ANOTHER IN OUR DISTRICT. I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF POINTS I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT. IN YOUR LAST SLIDE, THERE WAS REFERENCE TO A HOMELESS WEEKLY OUTREACH COALITION. COULD YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT? >> I'M NOT INCREDIBLY WELL VERSED ON THAT BUT IT'S A COALITION THAT I BELIEVE OUR HOMELESS RESOURCE OFFICER ATTENDS AND IT'S NOT OURS. OUR HOMELESS RESOURCE OFFICER ATTENDS THIS AND, LIKE IT SAYS, IT'S A WEEKLY MEETING TO, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFY HOMELESS PEOPLE. YOU GOT IT? >> HOW ARE Y'ALL DOING? DEPUTY CHIEF JAMES LERMA, CORPUS CHRISTI POLICE DEPARTMENT, OPERATIONS DIVISION. THEY WORKED FOR ME FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. THEY MEET WEEKLY WITH SOME OF THE AREA RESOURCES, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING'S UP TO SPEED. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT THEY NEED, AREAS WHERE THEY COULD HELP THE HOMELESS PEOPLE AND GET THEM RESOURCES. THEY MEET WEEKLY AT THE LA RETAMA LIBRARY AND IT'S ABOUT RESOURCES. HOW CAN THEY GET THE RESOURCES TO THE PEOPLE THAT NEED IT, BASICALLY. >> Paxson: I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH DISCUSSION IN THIS FIRST PART OF THE YEAR ABOUT HOMELESS SERVICES. WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF NEW SUPPORT FROM THIS COUNCIL, INITIALLY, TO REEVALUATE PUTTING SOME RESOURCES IN OUR BUDGET TO HELP WITH THIS. AND I'VE SEEN THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL OCCASIONS WHERE QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN RAISED ABOUT POSSIBLY BRINGING TOGETHER THE DIFFERENT ENTITIES FOR A COALITION-TYPE SETTING TO TACKLE THIS ISSUE SUCCESSFULLY. SO I WAS CURIOUS TO SEE THAT THERE IS ALREADY SOMETHING IN PLACE. SO IS IT -- DO WE HAVE A STANDING REPRESENTATIVE OF ALL OF OUR MAJOR GROUPS OR WHO CALLS THIS MEETING TOGETHER? IS THERE SOME STRUCTURE TO IT THAT WE TAKE AWAY FROM. AND FORGIVE ME IF THESE ARE ELEMENTARY QUESTIONS, BUT I WASN'T AWARE THEY WERE STILL MEETING. >> THEY ARE STILL MEETING. IT'S A FOUNDATION FOR FUTURE GROWTH AND THEY MEET WEEKLY, LIKE I SAID, AND IT'S BASICALLY TO TACKLE THE NEEDS OF THE HOMELESS POPULATION. WHAT CAN WE DO AS A POLICE DEPARTMENT -- LIKE YOU SAID, THERE ARE LIMITED RESOURCES THERE. BUT WE'RE DOING THE BEST THAT WE CAN WITH WHAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE HOMELESS POPULATION GETS THE RESOURCES, WHETHER IT'S BLANKETS, WHETHER IT'S SOME TYPE OF MEAL. WHERE CAN THEY GO FOR MEALS, WHETHER IT'S MOTHER TERESA, WHETHER IT'S THE SALVATION ARMY. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THOSE PLACES ARE STILL AVAILABLE FOR OUR HOMELESS POPULATION. WHEN WE GO OUT THERE AND OUR HOMELESS RESOURCE OFFICER GETS OUT THERE OR OUR PATROL OFFICER GETS OUT THERE, WE HAVE THE RESOURCES TO GIVE THOSE PEOPLE AND TO MAKE SURE THOSE PLACES ARE STILL AVAILABLE. SO WE MEET ON A WEEKLY BASIS TO MAKE SURE THAT'S STILL AVAILABLE TO THEM. IF THERE'S A NEED, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS IT. IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO AS A POLICE DEPARTMENT TO HELP THOSE THINGS MOVE FORWARD, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO THAT. >> Paxson: IS THIS, BY CHANCE, IS THIS AT ALL RELATED TO -- AT ONE TIME THERE WAS -- I THINK IT WAS HOMELESS, DRUG ABUSE, ALCOHOL ABUSE. IT PRETTY MUCH DIED OFF IN 2019, BEFORE COVID, BECAUSE THEY HAD COME TO WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS LIKE THEIR CULMINATION IDEA, WHICH WAS THIS TINY HOMES PHILOSOPHY, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY. BUILD PEOPLE BACK UP ON THEIR FEET, THAT KIND OF THING. BUT THERE WAS NO CONSENSUS OF WHERE WE COULD ESTABLISH SUCH A CONCEPT AND THE GROUP KIND OF, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, HAD DISBANDED. IS THIS AN OFFSPRING OF THAT OR A SEPARATE FOUNDATION? >> Zanoni: I HAVE THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION. IF FORMER HOUSING UNIT THAT WE HAD -- IT WAS A THREE-MEMBER GROUP, BEFORE WE HAD TO BALANCE THE BUDGET LAST YEAR. THAT GROUP STARTED THIS GROUP THAT MEETS AT THE LIBRARY. SO THE CITY HOMELESSNESS DIVISION STARTED THESE MEETINGS. THEY DO TAKE PLACE ONCE A WEEK, AS LERMA SAID. AND THE SERVICE PROVIDERS -- THERE'S ABOUT TEN GROUPS THAT MEET, STILL TODAY. AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT REPRESENTS THE CITY AT THE MEETINGS. SO THERE'S TEN SERVICE GROUPS, APPROXIMATELY. ENTITIES LIKE MHID, COASTAL BEND WELLNESS, AND PROBABLY SOME OF THE MAIN HOMELESS SHELTER PROVIDERS MEET. AND THEN THEY GO OUT INTO THE FIELD TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT ARE -- THAT THE TEAM AT THE MEETINGS BECOME AWARE OF BECAUSE OF THE COLLECTIVE WORK. >> Paxson: IF IT WAS INITIATED BY THE CITY, IS IT STILL BEING DRIVEN BY THE CITY? ARE WE THE KEY LIAISON? >> I DON'T THINK WE'RE THE KEY LIAISON. FOR THE POLICE SIDE OF IT, WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT, NUMBER ONE, YOU CAN'T BROAD BRUSHSTROKE THE HOMELESS. THERE'S MENTAL ILLNESS, THERE'S ADDICTION, THERE'S THOSE THAT JUST DON'T WANT TO LIVE WITHIN SOCIAL CONSTRAINTS, IT'S BY CHOICE. WE RECOGNIZE THAT AND WE MAKE OURSELVES PART OF EVERY INITIATIVE. RECENTLY WE HAVE COME INTO AN AGREEMENT AS A DROPOFF POINT. WE DON'T WANT TO SEND HOMELESS TO THE REVOLVING DOOR OF THE JAIL, ALTHOUGH THAT'S THE PRIMARY PLACE TO RECEIVE SERVICES UNFORTUNATELY. SO WE WORK ON AGREEMENTS. WE WORK WITH CRISIS INTERVENTION OFFICERS. WE ARE OFFICERS PAID THROUGH MHID THROUGH THE HOSPITAL TAX TO WORK WITH MHID WORKERS TO FIND RESOURCES. SUFFICE TO SAY WE UNDERSTAND THE BIG PICTURE, THAT WE'RE NOT THE END ALL. IT TAKES A GROUP EFFORT. YES, MA'AM, SOME THINGS COME TOGETHER AND DISBAND BUT THEY NEVER GO AWAY. WE'RE ALWAYS WORKING AS A COLLECTIVE TO FIND THE BEST WAY FORWARD FOR OUR HOMELESS POPULATION. >> Paxson: I KNOW AT THE TIME IN 2019 -- AND I HAVE SOME HISTORY BECAUSE I SERVED ON IT FOR SOME TIME. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD RECOGNIZED WAS WE HAD ONE ENTITY THAT SERVED AS THE COORDINATED ENTRY POINT. BUT WITH THE CONSTRAINTS AND ALL OF THE HOOPS THAT HAD TO BE JUMPED ONCE YOU WERE DECLARED THAT COORDINATED ENTRY POINT, IT WAS NOT A JOB THAT PEOPLE WERE LINED UP AT THE DOOR TO DO. >> NO. AND THEY DISBAND QUICKLY. WE TRIED IT WITH PATHWAYS, LASTED ONE DAY UNTIL WE STARTED DROPPING FOLKS OFF. NOW WE HAVE PLACES LIKE THE RISING TIDES IN FLOUR BLUFF. WE TRY TO BE A PART OF AS MANY ENTITIES AS NECESSARY. WE ARE USUALLY THE FIRST CONTACT WITH SOMEONE IN NEED. >> Paxson: AND I APPLAUD IN RECENT YEARS, CERTAINLY IT WAS A HUGE CONVERSATION PIECE THEN WAS THE CONTINUED EDUCATION THAT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS PURSUING TO BE ABLE TO DEESCALATE AND PROPERLY HANDLE THE SITUATIONS, BECAUSE THEY ARE SO MULTIFACETED. SO IS THIS MEETING -- PREVIOUSLY IT WAS OPEN TO ANY SORT OF ORGANIZATION. AT THE TIME WE HAD ROUGHLY 44 DIFFERENT HOMELESS SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS THAT PROVIDED ALL THE DIFFERENT SERVICES. YOU SAID THERE'S ABOUT TEN GROUPS REPRESENTED NOW. IS IT OPEN TO OTHER GROUPS OR INVITATION? >> I DON'T KNOW, HONESTLY. >> Zanoni: I HAVE THE ANSWER. >> Paxson: I'M SORRY. >> Zanoni: I'M GETTING IT HERE FROM JENNIFER BUXTON. SHE'S COMMUNICATING WITH US. THAT FORMER GROUP THAT WAS HERE WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO -- AND I THINK THEIR MEETINGS WERE MONTHLY. IT WAS 30 TO 40 SERVICE PROVIDERS AND THEY MET AND I THINK THE CITY MAY HAVE HELPED OR AT LEAST OFFERED THE SPACE. I DON'T KNOW IF WE RAN THE AGENDA. THIS NEW GROUP IS PRETTY NEW. JENNIFER DESCRIBES IT AS MORE OF AN ORGANIC GROUPING. SO ANYBODY CAN COME TO THE MEETING AND IT'S REALLY TO SET A WORK PLAN FOR THE DAY OR THE WEEK. PEOPLE COME IN LIKE PD, MHID. OTHERS COME IN AND TALK AS A GROUP ABOUT WHAT ARE THE ISSUES WE SEE OUT THERE AND HOW DO WE ADDRESS THEM, AND THEY JUST GO OUT. IT'S VERY ORGANIC. IT'S NOT STRUCTURED. >> Paxson: IT'S A VOLUNTEER. >> Zanoni: THAT'S WHY IT'S STILL HAPPENING TODAY, EVEN THOUGH THE CITY IS NOT THERE AS A LEAD. >> Paxson: DO WE HAVE A METHOD OF COMMUNICATION TO THEM? BACK THEN IT WAS AN ORGANIZED COMMITTEE AND SO WE HAD, YOU KNOW -- >> Zanoni: THIS ONE IS DIFFERENT. >> Paxson: OKAY. I WOULD LOVE IF YOU GUYS WOULD SHARE SOME OF THAT MEETING DATE AND TIME. I KNOW YOU SAID LA RETAMA ONCE A WEEK. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT. SOMETHING I'M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT. I HAVE STUDIED A LOT AND WORKED IN THIS CAPACITY SO I WOULD LOVE SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THESE MEETINGS. >> HAPPY TO GET BACK WITH YOU. JAMES WILL FOLLOW UP. GET YOU SOME CONTACT INFORMATION. OUR GOAL IS TO BE ACCESSIBLE. PETER SAID IT'S NOT A CITY REPRESENTATION BUT WE'RE THERE. >> Zanoni: THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS ONE OF THE TEN PARTICIPANTS OR SO. IT'S LESS OF A MEETING, AS JENNIFER IS SAYING, AND MORE OF JUST A COLLABORATION. IT'S AN ORGANIC COLLABORATION OF PEOPLE THAT WANT TO COME IN AND HELP OUT SAY WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO TODAY OR THIS WEEK, AND THEY DO IT. >> Paxson: IF YOU'VE ALREADY GOT A THREAD, DON'T START FROM GROUND ZERO. IF YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING GOING AND YOU WANT TO COME AND SUPPORT IT, I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT'S THERE. THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY. >> Mayor Guajardo: PETER OR SORRY, CHIEF MARKLE OR WHOMEVER IS GOING TO SEND IT, I THINK IT'S AN INTEREST FOR ALL OF US BEING THAT WE DON'T HAVE A HOMELESS DEPARTMENT, TO SEE THAT INFORMATION. >> JAMES IS GOING TO FIND IT AND GET IT TOGETHER AND WE'LL SEND IT. >> Zanoni: WHEN WE RECOMMENDED TO BALANCE THE BUDGET, THE ELIMINATION, WE COULDN'T AFFORD IT BUT WE RECOGNIZED DEPARTMENTS WOULD PICK UP THE SLACK. THAT WOULD BE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHO WAS ALREADY IN THE HOMELESS BUSINESS A LITTLE BIT. ALSO INCLUDED OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR. SO JACE IS VERY BIG, EVEN WHEN CONDITIONS ARE FINE OUT THERE, IF SOMETHING WANTS INFORMATION ON HOMELESSNESS, JACE IS AN EVERYDAY CONTACT. OUR HEALTH DISTRICT HAS SOME HOMELESS SERVICES. WE DIDN'T COMPLETELY ELIMINATE ALL HOMELESSNESS. WE HAD THOSE DEPARTMENTS THAT WERE DOING IT ALONGSIDE THAT THREE-MEMBER GROUP, CONTINUING TO DO IT. >> Mayor Guajardo: I DON'T MEAN TO GET OFF ON HOMELESS TOO MUCH HERE BUT DOES JACE GO TO THAT GROUP? >> Zanoni: NO, JACE DOES NOT GO TO THAT GROUP. >> Zanoni: HE DOESN'T GO IN THE FIELD. JACE IS NOT EQUIPPED TO GO OUT IN THE FIELD AND DO REFERRAL SERVICES TO HOMELESSNESS. HE SHOULD BE BACK AT THE -- >> Paxson: WHAT I WAS GETTING AT, AND I THINK THE MAYOR IS TOUCHING ON THIS ALSO. WHAT I WAS -- PART OF MY PROCESS IS BEING ABLE TO COMMUNICATE. HEY, WE HAVE A SEVERE HEAT WEATHER COMING UP, A SEVERE FREEZE WEATHER COMING UP. HERE'S THE RESOURCES, THE PLAN, TRANSPORTATION, THAT KIND OF THING, WHICH I ASSUME IS COMING FROM JACE'S OFFICE. >> Zanoni: YEAH, HE OR SOMEBODY WOULD REPRESENT THAT PROBABLY IN THIS ORGANIC CONSORTIUM. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. >> Paxson: I JUST HAD ONE MORE QUICK QUESTION. >> Mayor Guajardo: OH, SORRY. >> Paxson: ANOTHER THING WE HEAR A LOT IS FROM OUR CRIME CONTROL BOARD. THERE'S BEEN A FEW MEMBERS THAT COME BEFORE US AND THEY'RE VERY INTERESTED IN ADDING TO ALL THE GREAT SERVICES THAT THIS DEPARTMENT, PD PROVIDES, BY CONTINUING TO EXPOUND UPON AND INVESTIGATE, YOU KNOW, MORE CREATIVE-TYPE SITUATIONS WHERE WE'RE PREVENTING CRIME. HAS THERE BEEN -- AND I BELIEVE THE CRIME CONTROL BOARD WORKS VERY CLOSELY WITH YOU GUYS. WHAT WE ARE HEARING IS THAT THERE'S IDEAS BEING BROUGHT UP. HAVE THOSE BEEN EVALUATED OR LOOKED AT OR WHAT KIND OF EFFORTS WE MAY HAVE IN PLACE TO PURSUE SOME OF THOSE MORE NON-TRADITIONAL AVENUES FOR CRIME PREVENTION. ALL THE FUN QUESTIONS. YOU SAID TO BE CREATIVE. >> THAT'S FINE. THERE'S BEEN NO FORMAL PRESENTATION OF IDEAS. AGAIN, AND I HAVE TO QUALIFY THIS. I'M NOT ANTI-PROGRAM. WE'RE NOT ANTI-PROGRAM. IT WAS JUST A DECISION MADE A FEW YEARS AGO TO OVERSTAFF OUR CRIME CONTROL WITH 78 OFFICERS THAT ABSORBS -- WE DIP INTO THE FUND BALANCE. WE DO DEFICIT SPENDING AND CRIME CONTROL, UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THEY CAN BE MOVED INTO GENERAL FUND. SO THERE'S JUST NOT CAPACITY. IT'S NOT AN ISSUE OF NOT WANTING PROGRAMS. MUCH OF THE LIST ON THE LEFT HERE PRESENTED BY CHIEF GREEN, WERE PROGRAMS IN CRIME CONTROL ABSORBED BY THE PD. >> Paxson: I RECOGNIZE A LOT OF THOSE ARE ALREADY IN THE PREVENTION REALM. >> THEY WERE THE ORIGINAL PROGRAMS IN THE CRIME CONTROL DISTRICT. WE ABSORBED THOSE WITHIN THE PD. SO THEY HAVEN'T GONE AWAY EXCEPT FOR TWO PROGRAMS AND ONE WAS INVOLVING TRUANCY AND THAT'S NOT AGAINST THE LAW ANY LONGER. IT'S NOT A RELEVANT PROGRAM. >> Paxson: FOR US IF WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF CALLS, E-MAILS, AND MESSAGES FROM MEMBERS OF CRIME CONTROL SAYING COULD WE EXPOUND ON THIS IDEA, THAT IDEA. FOR YOU GUYS IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE TO HAVE A FORMAL PRESENTATION OR FORMAL REQUEST. >> PROGRAMS HAVE BUDGETS AND YOU WANT TO HAVE MEASURABLE OUTCOMES. YOU WANT TO HAVE A PROGRAM THAT IS MODELED ALREADY AND UNDERSTOOD. WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT YET. AND I GUESS I'M QUALIFYING THAT WITH EVEN IF WE SEE IT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE CAPACITY TO PAY FOR IT OUT OF CRIME CONTROL. >> Paxson: UNLESS IT WERE SOMETHING COMPLETELY NON-ORTHODOX-TYPE IDEA WHERE IT'S NOT INCUMBENT ON A HUGE BUDGET CONSTRAINT. >> IF IT DOESN'T INVOLVE A BUDGET, OF COURSE. >> Paxson: I FIND SYSTEMICALLY WHEN WE HAVE AN ORGANIZATION THAT'S OPERATING, YOU KNOW, VERY EFFICIENTLY AND VERY WELL AND THEN YOU'VE GOT KIND OF LIKE THESE GREAT IDEAS, THERE'S A COMMUNICATION USUALLY COMPONENT THAT'S MISSING. THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO ASK THERE. APPRECIATE THAT. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS. >> Campos: THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR THAT GREAT PRESENTATION. I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT WERE SUBMITTED TO ME. ONE WAS -- LIKE CHIEF MARKLE SAID, A LOT OF THOSE COMPONENTS WERE OBSERVED -- HOW SHOULD I SAY -- ABSORBED BY YOUR DEPARTMENT AS FAR AS THE PREVENTION PART. SO HOW DOES YOUR -- THE QUESTION IS WHAT DOES YOUR DEPARTMENT USE TO ASSESS THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE PROGRAM UNIT OR INITIATIVE, LIKE FOR EACH PROGRAM HOW DO YOU ASSESS THAT YOU'RE DOING -- THAT YOU'VE IMPROVED OR THINGS ARE WORKING? WHAT DO YOU USE FOR THAT? >> WE USE CRIME DATA ALL THE TIME. AND THAT'S SOMETHING ON A DAILY BASIS THAT WE HAVE CRIME DATA THAT WE EVALUATE, WE LOOK AT, SEE WHERE WE'RE BEING EFFECTIVE. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE VIOLENT CRIME UNIT WAS CREATED IN RESPONSE TO AN UPTICK IN CRIME AMONG A CERTAIN AGE GROUP AND A CERTAIN TIME OF THE DAY AND DAY OF THE WEEK. WE USED ALL THOSE STATISTICS TO DETERMINE THAT WE NEEDED TO PUT MORE OFFICERS OUT THERE ON THE STREET DURING THOSE HIGH-CRIME TIMES AND GO AFTER THAT PARTICULAR PROBLEM. WE CONSTANTLY EVALUATE TO SEE IF THEY'RE BEING EFFECTIVE THROUGH THE CRIME DATA THAT WE GET. LIKE I SAID, FOR EXAMPLE, SO FAR THIS YEAR OUR AGGRAVATED ASSAULTS HAVE GONE DOWN BY 16%. WE REEVALUATE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE THINGS. >> Campos: WELL, BECAUSE LIKE YOU HAD NOTED THAT DISTRICT 2 THAT SOME OF THE CRIME HAD GONE UP SO I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT IT IS THAT Y'ALL WERE DOING DIFFERENTLY IN MY DISTRICT I REPRESENT IN DISTRICT 2 VERSUS SOME OF THE OTHERS THAT THEIR CRIME RATES ARE GOING DOWN. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS. >> EXACTLY. IN FACT WE HAVE A PROGRAM ON DISTRICT 2 THAT SPECIFICALLY TARGETS VIOLENT CRIME. WE USE OUR CRIME DATA, OUR ANALYSTS. WHAT THEY SHOWED US ON DISTRICT 2 WAS THE MAJORITY OF VIOLENT CRIME THAT WE WERE SEEING WAS IN A SMALL AREA IN AND AROUND A HOUSING COMPLEX. WE CREATED THE DELTA 80 INITIATIVE. IT IS A PROGRAM STRICTLY WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT -- I TAKE THAT BACK. SO THE OFFICERS THAT WORK DELTA 80, WHICH IS THE BEAT THAT THAT PARTICULAR BEAT ON DISTRICT 2, THEY HAVE AN INTEL-SHARING GROUP E-MAIL WHERE THEY SHARE INTELLIGENCE. THEY'VE REACHED OUT TO THE MANAGEMENT AT LA RAMADA AS WELL AS THE SURROUNDING AREAS WHERE WE WERE SEEING AN UPTICK IN CRIME. THEY'RE WORKING WITH MANAGEMENT TO IDENTIFY THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T BELONG THERE, THE PEOPLE COMING FROM THE OUTSIDE AND COMMITTING CRIME. THEY ARE WORKING WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY AS WELL TO IDENTIFY THE PROBLEM TENANTS AND IF THEY ARE VIOLATING THEIR LEASE OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE, THEY'RE WORKING TO HAVE THEM EVICTED. IT'S SURROUNDING THAT AREA. >> Campos: HOW LONG HAS THAT DELTA 8 -- >> DELTA 80, IT STARTED IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR. IT WAS AN EXAMPLE, LIKE I SAID, OF THE CAPTAIN THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT DISTRICT WHICH FALLS ON YOUR COUNCIL DISTRICT. USING OUR CRIME ANALYSIS, USING OUR DATA AND PUTTING OUR RESOURCES WHERE WE FEEL LIKE IT WILL HAVE THE MOST IMPACT, INSTEAD OF JUST SPREADING THEM OUT ACROSS THE ENTIRE DISTRICT WHERE WE DON'T SEE, NECESSARILY, A BIG INDIVIDUAL INCREASE. THAT AREA RIGHT AROUND THERE IS WHERE WE WERE SEEING IT. >> Campos: YES, THERE IS A NEED. ONLY BECAUSE AN ORGANIZATION THAT I'M EMPLOYED BY, THE GREATER GOOD, THEY HAVE A PROGRAM AT LA RAMADA ADDRESSING SOME OF THE CHILDREN THAT LIVE THERE. BUT WHAT HAD HAPPENED IS THEY'VE GOT THE SUMMER PROGRAM THERE BUT LA RAMADA STARTED CRACKING DOWN ON THE ACTUAL ADDRESSES. THERE WAS A BIG NEED FOR A SUMMER PROGRAM TO GET THEM ENGAGED AND KEEP THEM ENGAGED. BUT THEN LA RAMADA SAID SOME OF THESE KIDS DON'T LIVE HERE, THEY LIVE AROUND THERE, SO IT REDUCED IT VERY MUCH SO . I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT THAT BUT I'M JUST SAYING, YES, IT CAN'T JUST BE LA RAMADA, IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AROUND THE OTHER AREA. OKAY. SO AND THEN THE OTHER PART OF THAT QUESTION WAS, FOR EXAMPLE, HOW WAS THE OPERATION SAFE RETURN ASSESSED WITH REGARD TO SAFETY CRIME AND PREVENTION? >> I'LL STEP IN FOR JUST A MOMENT. GOOD AFTERNOON. BILLY BREEDLOVE. YOUR FIRST QUESTION WAS ABOUT MEASURABLE. ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN MEASURE IS OUR PAWNSHOP DETAIL. THAT WAS ONE OF THE PROGRAMS ABSORBED BY THE DEPARTMENT BY THE ORIGINAL CRIME CONTROL. WE LOOK AT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS THAT THEY RECOVER EACH YEAR OF STOLEN PROPERTY AND WE TRACK THAT AND WE'RE ABLE TO RETURN THAT TO THE VICTIMS. THAT'S ONE OF THE MEASURABLES. THE OTHER IS OUR PATROL OFFICERS. THEY OPERATE OFF OF A PROBLEM-SOLVING APPROACH TO POLICING. THERE'S A PROBLEM IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY LOOK AT THE HOLISTIC APPROACH TO IT, WHETHER WE'VE GOT TO BRING IN CODE ENFORCEMENT OR OTHER, YOU KNOW, PARTNERS WE HAVE IN THE CITY TO ADDRESS THE OVERARCHING PROBLEM. WE SEE THE ABSENCE OF THAT PROBLEM IN THE CITIZENS, WE SOLVE THAT PROBLEM AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. CRIME CAN BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT TO MEASURE BECAUSE IT'S DIFFICULT TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ONE EFFECT OUT OF THE EQUATION AND SAY WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL. THERE'S SO MANY NUANCES TO FIGHTING CRIME AND IMPACTING CRIME. WHAT WE CAN USE IS PROBABILITIES AND THING WE KNOW, IF WE DO THIS TYPE OF ENFORCEMENT ACTION, WE SEE A REDUCTION AND SAY MORE LIKELY THAN NOT WE'VE HAD AN IMPACT ON THAT. SO THEN YOUR FOLLOW-UP QUESTION? >> Campos: HOW WAS THE OPERATION SAFE RETURN ASSESSED WITH REGARD TO SAFETY, CRIME, AND PREVENTION? >> WE'RE LOOKING AT THE AMOUNT OF KIDS THAT WE SERVICE AND THAT WE PROVIDE TO AND IT'S NOT JUST HANDING OUT BACKPACKS. WE ALSO HAVE DOCTORS THERE THAT CAN PERFORM PHYSICALS. WE HAVE PEOPLE VOLUNTEERING TO GIVE HAIRCUTS AND IT'S A GREAT WAY TO GET KIDS READY FOR THE SCHOOL YEAR. IT'S HARD TO MEASURE THE IMPACTS WE HAVE HAD WITH THOSE CHILDREN WHEN THEY ARE GIVING THE POLICE OFFICERS HUGS AND WHAT THAT DOES DOWN THE ROAD FOR THEM. WE SEE THEM LATER AND THEY SAY THEY REMEMBER COMING TO OPERATION SAFE RETURN AND BUILDING THAT PARTNERSHIP. IT'S HARD TO MEASURE THAT. >> Campos: NO, I DO SEE THAT. DO WE, AS YOUR DEPARTMENT, BY THOSE ITEMS FOR THEM? >> THERE ARE LITERALLY DOZENS OF OUR COMMUNITY BUSINESS MEMBERS THAT PONY UP ALL THE FUNDS FOR THAT. EVERY BIT OF IT. NOW, THAT SERVICE IS 3500 TO 4,000 PEOPLE. BACKPACKS PHYSICALS SHOTS. IT'S NOT JUST PD NOW. MOST OF THE DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE CITY VOLUNTEER. PARKS ARE OVER THERE, YOUR HEALTH DEPARTMENT IS OVER THERE. REMEMBER A CORE TENET OF CRIME PREVENTION IS COMMUNITY INTERACTION. IT'S NOT JUST MEASURING HOW MANY CRIMINALS YOU TAKE OFF THE AGREE. CC PAL IS SERVICING 3,000 KIDS IN SPORTS. WE DO THAT WITH A 501(C)(3) WITH OUR INDUSTRY PARTNERS, PAY FOR ALL OF IT. GIVE THEM SOMETHING TO DO, GIVE THEM STRUCTURE, GIVE THEM SPORTS. OPERATION SAFE RETURN, GET THEM BACK TO SCHOOL. HELP THEM WITH THOSE THINGS THAT FAMILIES CAN'T AFFORD. GIVE THEM STRUCTURE. GIVE THEM INTERACTION WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. LET THEM KNOW THE COMMUNITY CARES ABOUT THEM. >> Campos: ESPECIALLY DURING THE SUMMERTIME. >> ESPECIALLY CATCHING THEM WHILE THEY'RE YOUTH. IT'S NOT MEASURABLE, YOU CAN'T MEASURE WHAT YOU PREVENT, BUT IT IS PART OF CRIME PREVENTION. >> Campos: THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHIEF. I ALSO WANTED TO TOUCH ON THE CALLS. AND I THINK WE TOUCHED ON THAT. WE CAN'T POLICE OURSELVES OUT OF IT BUT I THINK WE CAN AGREE THAT ABOUT 20% OF THE CALLS THAT ARE -- THAT Y'ALL EXPERIENCE ARE MENTAL HEALTH. >> THE SHERIFF WILL SAY 25% OF HIS JAIL SPACE IS OCCUPIED BY MENTALLY ILL. >> Campos: ARE WE TRYING TO DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT TO -- >> YES, AS I JUST EXPRESSED, WORKING WITH SERVICES LIKE THE CHARITY, WE DROP THEM OFF, TRY TO GET THEM SERVICES. WE DON'T WANT TO ARREST FOLKS AND THEN REARREST THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE A WARRANT BASED ON THE FIRST ARREST. THAT'S RIDICULOUS. SOMETIMES IT'S OUR ONLY ALTERNATIVE RIGHT? SOMETIMES THEY'RE TRESPASSING ALL DAY LONG. SOMETIMES THEY'RE DOING THINGS THAT THEY SHOULDN'T BE DOING AND DISRUPTING BUSINESS AND DISRUPTING -- I MEAN, THE COMMON GOOD PLAYS A PART TOO. WE'RE OBLIGATED TO TAKE CARE OF THAT. I ASSURE YOU IT IS NOT OUR OBJECTIVE TO ARREST HOMELESS. IT'S NOT OUR OBJECTIVE TO KEEP THEM CONSTANTLY IN THE PIPELINE OF THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. SO WHEN WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING THEM TO A CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION AND FIND RESOURCES, THAT IS WHAT WE DO. >> Campos: AND ONE OF THE THINGS EXPERIENCING OR GETTING, CALLING ON -- OR TRYING TO HELP THE HOMELESS IS I.D. I.D. IS LIKE A HUGE IDENTIFICATION, THEM LOSING THEIR IDENTIFICATION. THEY CAN'T GET A JOB OR AN APARTMENT. I THINK I HAD MENTIONED THIS TO OFFICER BROWN, ON THE CARD INDEX, SELF-HELP CARD GUIDE, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR RENEWING THAT OR DOING THAT. BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE A BIG ASSET. SO IF THEY, YOU KNOW, THE HOMELESS POPULATION CAN FIND OUT THAT DISMAS IS ONE OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT CAN HELP THEM WITH THAT ISSUE -- >> RISING TIDE ALSO DOES THAT. ALSO METRO MINISTRY. >> Campos: JUST TO PUBLICIZE IT AND SAY THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN GET IT AND THAT KIND OF THING. >> YES, MA'AM. >> Campos: I GUESS THAT'S ALL FOR NOW. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN. >> Vaughn: MINE'S GOING TO BE REALLY QUICK. I WANT TO THANK YOU, CHIEF MARKLE, FOR BRINGING ALL THE DIFFERENT DIVISIONS. THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. AND THE OTHER THING IS I WAS WATCHING THE CHANNELS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY THIS WEEKEND AND SAW ALL THE PROTESTS AND I THOUGHT ABOUT OUR CITY. A LOT OF IT HAD TO DO WITH THE PEOPLE MARCHING, THEY WERE VERY ORDERLY, MOST OF ALL. BUT MOST OF IT HAS TO DO WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THEY KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO BE PUT UP WITH. THESE OTHER CITIES, THEY HAVE NO CONTROL AT ALL. BUT I BELIEVE OUR CITIZENS KNOW -- I THINK YOU HAVE SET THAT EXAMPLE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT UP WITH IT. I ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF THE COUNCIL AND THE CITY MANAGER FOR BRINGING ORDER BACK INTO OUR PUBLIC COMMENT. HAVING Y'ALL'S PRESENCE MADE ALL THE DIFFERENCE UP HERE ON HOW THE COUNCIL TAKES PUBLIC COMMENT. IT'S MORE ORDERLY AND RESPECTFUL, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. THE THING THAT I NOTICED WAS THE VIOLENT CRIME WAS THE HIGHEST IN DISTRICT 1. THAT'S WHERE I LIVE. IS THERE A CERTAIN AREA? I DON'T WANT TO CALL ANYTHING OUT? IS THERE CERTAIN AREAS? I NOTICED WE HAVE HAD MORE PROBLEMS IN CALALLEN THAN NORMAL. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT? >> JUST LIKE DISTRICT 2, WE LOOKED AT EVERY DISTRICT TO SEE IF THERE WAS ONE PARTICULAR -- WE CALL HOT SPOTS -- WHERE WE SEE A LARGE AMOUNT OF VIOLENT CRIME. ON DISTRICT 1, IT'S SPREAD OUT A LOT FROM THE DOWNTOWN AREA -- AND DISTRICT 1 IS A HUGE GEOGRAPHIC DISTRICT. >> Vaughn: IT IS. >> IT COVERS A LOT OF AREA. YOU GO FROM NORTH BEACH TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA. YOU HAVE NIGHTCLUBS. YOU HAVE BARS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. THEN YOU GO ALL THE WAY OUT. PART OF THE WEST SIDE. THERE'S SOME AT-RISK NEIGHBORHOODS OVER THERE WHERE THERE'S A HIGH GANG POPULATION. HIGHER THAN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY. AND THEN ALL THE WAY OUT LEOPARD. ALL THE WAY OUT TO CALALLEN, ANNAVILLE AREA OUT THERE WHERE WE DON'T SEE A PARTICULAR AREA THAT IS A HOT SPOT IN THAT PART OF THE DISTRICT. IT'S PRIMARILY MORE IN TOWN OFF OF AGNES, LEOPARD, AROUND THERE. AND IN THE DOWNTOWN AREAS WHERE WE HAVE BEEN EXPERIENCING MORE CRIME DOWNTOWN IN GENERAL. AND OF COURSE, LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, OUR VIOLENT CRIME UNIT, OUR GANG UNIT ARE WELL AWARE OF THOSE AREAS AND WE ARE FOCUSING ON THOSE AREAS TO DRIVE CRIME DOWN -- VIOLENT CRIME ESPECIALLY IN THOSE AREAS. >> Vaughn: IT COULD BE BECAUSE IT IS SO BIG, IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST DISTRICTS COMPARED TO THE OTHERS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER. >> YES. LIKE I SAID, IT GOES FROM NORTH BEACH ALL THE WAY TO 624. IT'S A VERY LONG DISTRICT. AND IT'S VERY DIVERSE. >> Vaughn: YES. >> A HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AREA ON LEOPARD WHERE WE SEE BUSINESS BURGLARIES AND METAL THEFTS, COPPER THEFTS. THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE DEAL WITH ON DISTRICT 1 A LOT. >> Vaughn: YOU HAVE VIOLENT CRIME. GIL IS GRINNING FROM EAR TO EAR BECAUSE HIS IS THE LOWEST BUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM. THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM. I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT ONE OTHER THING. WHAT IS BEARS AND BADGES? IT CAUGHT MY EYE. >> THAT'S A PROGRAM WE TAKE PART IN. IT'S HANDING OUT -- >> Vaughn: BEARS? >> STUFFED ANIMALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND BADGES FOR YOUNG PEOPLE AND WHATNOT. >> Vaughn: JUST CURIOUS. AND THEN THE RED CORD? >> RED CORD, THAT IS AN INITIATIVE THAT WE PAT PARTNER WITH. CHIEF SIMPSON BROUGHT IT FROM DALLAS. IT'S AN INITIATIVE THAT WE PARTNER WITH THE COASTAL BEND WELLNESS FOUNDATION. WHAT IT IS WHEN WE -- WHEN OUR NARCOTICS AND VICE INVESTIGATORS MAKE PROSTITUTION CASES, RED CORD IS COASTAL BEND WELLNESS FOUNDATION. WHEN WE ARREST SOMEBODY FOR PROSTITUTION, THEY ARE THERE WITH US. IT'S A PROGRAM WHERE IF THE INDIVIDUAL WANTS TO TAKE PART IN THE PROGRAM, THEY ARE OFFERED A MULTITUDE OF RESOURCES FROM JOB TRAINING HEALTH ADDICTION THERAPY. WHATEVER IT IS THAT SEEMS TO HAVE CAUSED THAT WOMAN TO ENGAGE IN PROSTITUTION. SO THEY HAVE ALL THESE THINGS AVAILABLE. AND THE WAY IT WORKS, THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY IS A PART OF THAT PROCESS. SO IF THE WOMAN TAKES PART -- AND IT'S OPEN TO MEN TOO. BUT PRIMARILY WOMEN. IF THE WOMAN TAKES PART AND GOES THROUGH THIS PROCESS PRIOR TO GOING TO TRIAL AND MAKES IT THROUGH, THEN THE CHARGE WILL BE DISMISSED. AND IT'S REALLY A TREMENDOUS PROGRAM FOR TRYING TO GET WOMEN OUT OF THAT HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE LIFESTYLE. AND USUALLY THERE'S DRUGS THAT ARE INVOLVED, USUALLY. SO THEY OFFER ALL THOSE RESOURCES, LIKE I SAID, TO HELP GET THAT WOMAN OUT OF THAT LIFESTYLE. >> Vaughn: YOU KNOW, Y'ALL HAVE BIG SHOES TO FILL, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT. WHEN YOU WERE A CHILD -- I THINK IT STILL GOES ON TODAY. YOU WANTED TO BE A FIREMAN. YOU WANTED TO BE A POLICEMAN. YOU WEAR YOUR CAP, SO YOU'RE ROLE MODELS. I APPRECIATE YOU, IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN. >> Mayor Guajardo: I'M LOOKING AT PAGE 10 ON THE DRUG DELIVERY CASES. THIS IS SO CONCERNING. >> I WAS GOING TO TURN THAT OVER TO DEPUTY CHIEF BOWERS, IS THAT ALL RIGHT? >> Mayor Guajardo: THAT'S FINE. BUT COUNCILMAN, YOUR QUESTION MAY HAVE BEEN FOR HIM. >> Roy: YES. AS YOU KNOW DISTRICT 1 LEADS THE WAY. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS -- AND I'M NOT GOING TO PICK ON OR NAME RECENT CITIES THAT I'VE VISITED. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE NOTICED -- AND I WAS OUT ON THE WEST COAST AND THEN HERE IN TEXAS IS THAT WHEN IT COMES TO HOMELESS, I'VE NOTICED IN SOME CITIES THAT YOU ACTUALLY SEE FAMILIES OUT THERE PANHANDLING OR WHATEVER. BUT YOU SEE CHILDREN WITH, I'M ASSUMING MOTHER AND FATHER. BUT IT'S A FAMILY UNIT. I SAW THAT REALLY OUT ON THE WEST COAST A LOT. I MEAN, I SAW AN ENTIRE -- IT WAS AMAZING. LIKE A HUGE PARKING LOT THAT WAS CONVERTED WHERE THE SCHOOL BUS -- THERE WERE SO MANY HOMELESS CHILDREN THERE OR HOUSELESS OR WHATEVER, THAT BASICALLY THE SCHOOL BUS CAME THERE. I DON'T SEE THAT IN OUR CITY. I HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN THAT. BUT WHEN I DRIVE THE DISTRICT AND I LOOK AROUND, I DON'T SEE THAT. I JUST WONDERED IF YOU SEE -- IF YOU OBSERVE ON A REGULAR BASIS FAMILIES OUT THERE THAT IS A WHOLE UNIT THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT A HOME. >> I WOULD SAY FOR THE MOST PART, IT'S RARE. IT IS RARE HERE. IT DOES HAPPEN. I CAN TELL YOU FROM MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WHEN OFFICERS COME ACROSS FAMILIES THAT ARE TRULY HOMELESS THAT HAVE LOST THEIR PLACE TO LIVE, IT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR OUR OFFICERS TO GO PAY AND PUT THEM UP IN A HOTEL FOR A FEW NIGHTS UNTIL THEY GET A PLACE TO STAY. THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT FOR US TO KNOW WHAT RESOURCES ARE AVAILABLE FOR HOMELESS PEOPLE THAT WE CAN DIRECT THEM TO. AND WE CAN REACH OUT TO THEM AND WHETHER IT'S SALVATION ARMY OR THE GOOD SAMARITAN, WHATEVER IT IS. AND HAVE A GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM. WE HAVE NO PLACE TO PUT THEM. WE HAVE TO RELY ON THE COMMUNITY TO DO THOSE THINGS. BUT IT'S RARE BUT IT HAPPENS. >> Roy: PART OF THAT, WHAT I WAS THINKING, I THINK IT'S A TRIBUTE TO NOT ONLY OUR -- YOUR STAFF, OUR POLICE OFFICERS, BUT I ALSO THINK IT'S A TRIBUTE ALSO TO THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT MUST OPEN THEIR DOORS AND MAINTAIN THAT. I'M SURE THERE ARE FAMILIES OUT THERE WITHOUT HOMES. AND SO THE FACT THAT I DON'T SEE IT, IT CAUGHT ME OFF GUARD IN OTHER AREAS. SO MY OTHER QUESTION IS RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF AN ORDINANCE OR IF SOMEBODY -- IS IT LEGAL -- I GUESS THE BEST QUESTION -- IF SOMEBODY IS SLEEPING ON THE SIDEWALK OVERNIGHT? I KNOW IN BLUCHER PARK WE LOOKED AT MAKING CHANGES THERE. BUT IS THAT AN ARRESTABLE OFFENSE FOR SOMEBODY JUST SLEEPING OUT ON THE SIDEWALK OR UNDERNEATH THE BRIDGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OVERNIGHT? >> IF THEY'RE CAMPING, IF THEY HAVE SLEEPING BAGS AND ALL THEIR GEAR AND THINGS LIKE THAT, YES, IT'S A VIOLATION OF THE CAMPING ORDINANCE. >> Zanoni: PLUS, COUNCILMAN, I THINK IN BETWEEN YOUR TWO TERMS, THE CITY COUNCIL PASSED AN ORDINANCE WHERE YOU CAN'T LAY ON THE SIDEWALK AND BLOCK THE SIDEWALK. LESS THAN EVEN CAMPING. IT'S NO LAYING OR SLEEPING ON THE SIDEWALK WHERE THE PUBLIC HAS TO WALK. YEAH. >> Roy: I JUST WONDERED. >> BLOCKING A SIDEWALK, BLOCKING AN ENTRYWAY INTO A BUSINESS, THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT'S A VIOLATION. >> Roy: I GET A LOT OF PHONE CALLS, ESPECIALLY SOME OF THE BUSINESSES ALONG STAPLES AND THAT, UNFORTUNATELY, THAT HAVE PEOPLE THAT DON'T RESPECT THEIR BUSINESS ENTRANCES AND DO THINGS THAT THEY SHOULDN'T DO. AND SO THEY'RE CONSTANTLY HAVING TO CLEAN UP. AND OF COURSE WE'VE HAD SOME INCIDENTS WHERE THEY HAVE BROKEN IN, TAKEN COPPER, WHATEVER THE CASE IS. >> SURE. >> Roy: AND, YOU KNOW, I WAS LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS AND I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE NOT -- THEY'RE NOT TRENDING THE OTHER WAY. EVEN THOUGH WE ARE UP A LITTLE BIT IN SOME AREAS, THAT WE'RE NOT TRENDING THE OTHER WAY. I THINK I'VE NOTICED AN IMPROVEMENT. IN 2017, SOME OF THE THINGS WE DID ON NORTH BEACH AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE PUT IN PLACE IN OTHER AREAS WITHIN THE DISTRICT I KNOW HAS MADE A VERY POSITIVE IMPACT. I'VE SEEN THESE OTHER CITIES THINKING, WOW, YOU THINK THAT'S BAD, CHECK OUT THIS CITY OVER HERE. AND OVERALL, I DO THINK WE HAVE AN ISSUE BUT I THINK WE'RE FORTUNATE. WE COULD BE IN A LOT WORSE POSITION WHEN IT COMES TO CRIME AND HAVING HOMELESS PEOPLE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. I WANT TO THANK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU. YOU GUYS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB. I KNOW A LOT OF IT IS RELATED TO MENTAL HEALTH BUT I'M ALWAYS SURPRISED THAT WHEN I SEE SOMEBODY AND I'M LIKE, WOW, I SEE THEM ALL THE TIME. THEY'VE BEEN OUT THERE, AT LEAST WHAT THEY APPEAR TO BE HOMELESS, FOR THE LAST 10 OR 11 YEARS I CAN REMEMBER. WOW. IT MAKES ME WONDER IS THAT THEIR PREFERENCE. >> UNFORTUNATELY WITH MANY OF THEM, THAT IS THEIR PREFERENCE. WE TRY TO GET THEM INTO SHELTERS. WE TRY TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO GET HELP BUT THEY CHOOSE NOT TO. IF THEY'RE NOT BREAKING THE LAW, AT THAT POINT THERE'S NOT A LOT WE CAN DO ABOUT IT. >> Roy: KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. SO, YES, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT Y'ALL DO BECAUSE IT'S OBVIOUSLY EXPANDED, LIKE MANY OCCUPATIONS. IT'S EXPANDED INTO MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST BUT POLICING. THAT SAID, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY A SLIPPERY SLOPE, BUT IT IS -- WE PROBABLY NEED TO KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE OF YOUR DAY AND WORK IS BEING SPENT ON THIS ISSUE OF HOMELESSNESS, FOR EXAMPLE? BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IF THAT NUMBER IS GROWING AND YOU SAY TO ME OR TO US 20% OF ALL OF OUR TIME IS BEING SPENT DEALING WITH HOMELESS PEOPLE TRYING TO GET THEM HERE OR THERE OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, JUST DEALING WITH THAT. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED IN TERMS OF HOW WE ARE -- >> [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Guajardo: RIGHT. HOW WE'RE ADDRESSING, OR NOT, THE ISSUE. OR MAYBE NOT EFFICIENTLY DOING IT. YOU KNOW, JUST BASED ON THAT. I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE OF YOUR TIME -- I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FIGURE THAT OUT BUT I'M SURE Y'ALL CAN GET TOGETHER AND DO THAT, IS OUR POLICE FORCE SPENDING ON THIS ISSUE. SECONDLY, WELL, I THINK I WAS GOING TO GO TO PAGE 10. QUESTIONS ON DRUG DELIVERY CASES. YOU WERE GOING TO CALL SOMEBODY UP? >> I'M GOING TO GIVE THAT PRESENTATION. >> Mayor Guajardo: OH, WE'RE NOT THERE YET. I'M AHEAD OF MYSELF. >> I DON'T WANT TO STEAL HIS THUNDER. >> Mayor Guajardo: I THOUGHT, HOW DID I MISS THIS? THEN LET'S -- OH, COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON. COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ. >> Hernandez: THANK YOU. I WAS JOKING WITH COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN ABOUT THE CRIME STATISTICS IN DISTRICT 5. I DON'T THINK IT HAS MUCH TO DO WITH SUPERIOR COUNCIL REPRESENTATION BUT IT DEFINITELY HAS TO DO WITH SUPERIOR POLICING. AND I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU GUYS DO WITH THE RESOURCES THAT YOU HAVE AND MAXIMIZING AS BEST AS POSSIBLE. NO REAL COMMENTS, BUT THANK YOU. >> WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO DEPUTY CHIEF BOWERS WITH THE NARCOTICS AND VICE INVESTIGATIONS DIVISION. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M DEPUTY CHIEF HOLLIS BOWERS OVER THE NARCOTICS VICE DIVISION. WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS GIVE YOU A FAIRLY BRIEF OVERVIEW OF DRUG CRIMES THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH IN OUR CITY. WE'RE DOING A TWO-YEAR COMPARISON OF WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH HERE. I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND A COUPLE OF THINGS FIRST. CHIEF GREEN TALKED ABOUT A UNIFORM CRIME REPORT THAT THE FBI PUTS OUT. THAT DOES NOT COVER DRUG CRIMES. THERE IS NO STATE OR NATIONAL DATABASE FOR DRUG CRIMES. SO THERE IS NO COMPARISON TO ANYONE ELSE. WHAT WE HAVE IS THE NUMBERS THAT WE KEEP FOR OUR OWN USE, SO WE CAN KNOW WHAT CRIME TRENDS ARE, SO WE CAN KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO TARGET. IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT NUMBERS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. SO WHEN YOU LOOK UP HERE AND SEE OUR NUMBERS, YOU LOOK AT TOTAL DRUG CASES OVERALL. PRETTY COMPARABLE BETWEEN THE TWO YEARS. THERE'S NOTHING TO ME, AS SOMEBODY IN CHARGE OF THIS, THAT REALLY STANDS OUT AS A SPIKE. THERE'S GOING TO BE EBBS AND FLOWS IN DRUG CRIMES. WE HAVE HAD, AS A CITY, SPIKES THAT HAVE BEEN VERY SIGNIFICANT. PRE-COVID THERE WAS A HUGE SPIKE IN THE SYNTHETIC, WHAT THE KIDS CALL LEGAL, WHICH IS NOT LEGAL. AND WE HAD A HUGE SPIKE IN THAT IN OUR HOMELESS POPULATION WHERE WE WERE HAVING OVERDOSES. AND THEN IN 2022, WE HAD A SPIKE IN FENTANYL. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, I WANT TO EXPLAIN THE POSSESSION OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES, THESE ARE USER NUMBERS, MEANING DRUG USERS. THESE CRIMES ARE GENERALLY ENFORCED BY UNIFORMED PATROL OFFICERS. IN THE COURSE OF DOING THEIR DUTY, SOME OF THEM MAY CHASE DRUGS OR JUST DURING THE COURSE OF HANDLING OTHER CRIMES THEY'RE GOING TO COME ACROSS PEOPLE IN POSSESSION OF DRUGS. THIS IS GENERALLY THEIR WORK. SO WHEN WE GET TO THE NEXT SLIDE, MAYOR, WE'LL GET TO OUR WORK AND SPECIFICALLY YOUR QUESTION. IN NARCOTICS VICE, WE'RE THE ONES WHO FILE THESE CASES. EVERYTHING COMES THROUGH US THAT'S DRUG-RELATED, REGARDLESS OF WHO INITIATES IT IN THE FIELD. AND SO YOU'LL SEE THE GRAND TOTAL OF ARRESTS FOR -- OR DRUG CASES FOR THOSE YEARS AND BELOW IT THE NUMBER OF ARRESTS. THE REASONS THE NUMBERS DIFFER, IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE LETTING PEOPLE WHO ARE IN POSSESSION OF DRUGS GO, IT'S BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE HAVE MULTIPLE DRUGS. SO THE ARREST WILL BE ONE ARREST BUT THEY MAY BE CHARGED WITH MULTIPLE POSSESSION CASES. AND SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE. IN 2022 WE HAD FENTANYL. OUR PENALTY GROUP, PG STANDS FOR PENALTY GROUP. THAT'S A STATE LAW. THAT'S THE TERMINOLOGY. PG, WHICH IS PENALTY GROUP 1, WHICH IS WHERE YOU FIND METHAMPHETAMINE FENTANYL AND COCAINE. METHAMPHETAMINE, THESE ARE HARD-CORE DRUG USERS AND METHAMPHETAMINE IS THE NUMBER ONE IN USE HERE LOCALLY BUT FENTANYL GETS MOST OF THE ATTENTION. IN 2022 WE STARTED AN INVESTIGATION WHERE WE SEIZED TWO PILL PRESSES OUT OF A LOCAL GROUP THAT WAS TIED TO THE MEXICAN CARTELS. THESE PILL PRESSES HAD THE ABILITY OF PUTTING OUT 40,000 FENTANYL PILLS PER DAY, EACH. AND WE SEIZED TWO OF THEM. WE ENDED UP TYING THAT GROUP TO TEN OVERDOSE DEATHS HERE LOCALLY. AND SO IT WAS A BIG DEAL. AND SINCE -- THAT CASE TOOK OVER A YEAR. IT FINISHED WHILE I WAS THERE. BUT IT ACTUALLY MADE A HUGE IMPACT ON FENTANYL USE IN OUR CITY. AND EVEN THOUGH FENTANYL IS ABSOLUTELY STILL HERE AND WE'VE HAD -- THE DEA HAS CONFIRMED TWO OVERDOSES ON FENTANYL LAST YEAR, THEY HAVE AN OVERDOSE RESPONSE TEAM. THE CITY, US, HAVE NOT RUN INTO A SINGLE FENTANYL CASE SINCE THAT BIG ARREST. SO IT MADE A HUGE POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE FENTANYL IN OUR CITY. IT'S ABSOLUTELY STILL HERE, WE DON'T KID OURSELVES, BUT WE'RE NOT SEEING IT NEARLY TO THE EFFECT WE WERE BEFORE. THC PRODUCTS IN PENALTY GROUP 2 THERE, THAT IS WHAT YOU SEE OUR KIDS USE THE MOST. VAPE PENS, WAX AND EDIBLES. WE SEE A LOT OF THAT. THEY OPERATE DIFFERENTLY THAN YOUR HARD-CORE DRUG DEALERS, EVEN WHEN YOU FIND THEM DEALING AND STUFF, A LOT OF SOCIAL MEDIA INVESTIGATIONS AND STUFF THERE FOR THC PRODUCTS. THAT'S SORT OF THE TRENDS BETWEEN THE TWO. AND MARIJUANA IS ALWAYS A BIG ISSUE. WE DON'T REALLY ARREST MUCH FOR POSSESSION OF MARIJUANA ANYMORE. WE HAVE THE PROCESS TO ISSUE THE CITATIONS FOR THAT. UNLESS THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL CRIME AT THE TIME, IF IT'S JUST THE POSSESSION OF MARIJUANA, WE WILL NOT ARREST AT THE TIME, WE WILL ISSUE THEM A CITATION TO APPEAR IN COURT LATER. BUT POSSESSION OF MARIJUANA IS NEVER GOING TO GO AWAY. HERE, MANUFACTURING AND DELIVERY, THESE ARE DEALERS. THOSE ARE USERS, MANUFACTURE AND DELIVERY ARE DEALERS. THOSE ARE PRIMARY WHAT UNIFORM OFFICERS RUN ACROSS DAILY AND MAKE ARRESTS. THIS IS WHAT NARCOTICS VICE DOES. THIS IS THE CASES WHERE WE'RE GOING AFTER THE DEALERS AND WORKING OUR WAY UP AND TRYING TO GET BIGGER AND BIGGER DEALERS AND DOING ALL OF OUR TYPE OF WORK. NOW, THE IMPORTANT THING I THINK HERE IS -- BECAUSE I KNOW THIS FROM ALL OF YOU -- MANY CITY COUNCIL TIPS HAVE COME DOWN TO US. WE GET TIPS ALL THE TIME AND I KNOW A LOT OF TIPS COME DOWN THROUGH Y'ALL WHERE Y'ALL GET CITIZENS CALL. THEY'RE DEALING DRUGS AT MY NEIGHBORHOOD. AND YOU GET A CALL SAYING THE POLICE AREN'T DOING ANYTHING. THEY'RE STILL DEALING DRUGS. THIS IS IMPORTANT AND I WILL EDUCATE YOU A LITTLE BIT. THIS NUMBER LOOKS LIKE, WELL, BETWEEN '23 AND '24 WE HAD A LOT MORE DEALERS. NO. THIS IS PROACTIVE CASE WORK. THIS IS POLICE WORK THAT IS PROACTIVE. AND SO ALL THIS MEANS IS WE WERE MORE SUCCESSFUL IN '24 AT CATCHING DRUG DEALERS THAN WE WERE IN '23. IT MEANS OUR INVESTIGATIONS PRODUCED MORE RESULTS BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT. BUT THE IMPORTANT THING FOR YOUR CITIZENS, WHEN THEY TELL US THAT, IS THAT, ONE, IF WE GET A TIP THROUGH YOU, I'M GOING TO PROMISE YOU THAT TIP IS INVESTIGATED. THAT TIP IS INVESTIGATED TO A LOGICAL CONCLUSION. AND IF IT IS ACTUALLY A HOUSE WHERE THEY'RE SELLING DRUGS, YOUR CITIZEN WILL NEVER SEE US. THAT'S THE POINT. IF THEY SEE US, WE'RE NOT DOING OUR JOB RIGHT. THE BAD GUYS AND CITIZENS DON'T KNOW WE'RE THERE UNTIL WE ALL SHOW UP ONE DAY EN MASSE AND RAID THE HOUSE. WHY DIDN'T THEY DO THIS A MONTH AGO? IT TOOK TIME TO GET TO THE RAID. THE LAW REQUIRES WE DO CERTAIN THINGS AND HAVE OUR DUCKS IN A ROW BEFORE THE JUDGE WILL SIGN A WARRANT SAYING IT WILL DO SOMETHING. I PROMISE YOU EVERY TIP WE GET, WHETHER IT'S ONLINE THROUGH DRUG TIPS CORPUS CHRISTI, THROUGH CRIME STOPPERS, THROUGH YOU, THROUGH CALLS TO OUR OFFICE, EVERY ONE OF THEM ARE INVESTIGATED. SOME OF THEM TURN OUT. THE CITIZEN MAY THINK IT'S A DRUG DEALER. IT'S NOT. IT MAY BE A HOUSE WHERE BAD THINGS ARE GOING ON. IT MAY BE SOMEBODY WHO IS ANNOYING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE'LL DEAL WITH THAT IN ANOTHER WAY, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IF IT'S SOMETHING WE DEAL WITH. I'M TELLING YOU, IF IT IS DRUG DEALING, YOU WILL STAY OUT THERE LONG ENOUGH, IF THEY DON'T MOVE, THEY'RE GOING DOWN. WE'RE GOING TO INVESTIGATE THEM. THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE THIS NUMBER AND WHERE YOU SEE IT GO UP. THIS IS PROACTIVE WORK THAT NARCOTICS VICE DOES. LASTLY, THIS IS THE NUMBER OF CASES. THIS IS THE CASES WE GET FOR PATROL. THIS IS THE CASES WE MAKE. AND SO YOU SEE JUST THE DIFFERENT LEVEL OF CASES. MUNICIPAL COURT CASES FOR DRUG PARAPHERNALIA, IT'S A CLASS C MISDEMEANOR, CRACK PIPE, FOR INSTANCE. THAT'S WHAT ALL THOSE CASES ARE. A LOT OF THOSE ARE DIRECT FILED BY PATROL. SO THE ONLY ONES WE'RE GOING TO FILE OUT OF NARCOTICS IS IF IT COMES WITH A BIGGER CASE, IF THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER DRUGS GOING WITH IT. SO YOU SEE THE CASES ASSIGNED AND THE CASES FILED. QUITE FRANKLY, NUMBERS GET COMPLICATED IN WHAT WE DO BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT'S COUNTED WITH THE NUMBER OF DRUGS VERSUS THE NUMBER OF DEFENDANTS. SO THE NUMBERS GET A LITTLE CONFUSING HERE AND WHY NUMBERS LOOK LIKE THEY'RE A LITTLE OFF. BUT THEY'RE NOT. AND SO MULTIPLE CASES GET DIVIDED OUT. AND THEN WE ALSO, OUR DISTRICT ATTORNEY HAS A POLICY THAT THEY DON'T TAKE A CASE IF THE DRUGS ARE NOT TESTED. DPS HAS A POLICY THAT THEY DO NOT TEST MISDEMEANOR-LEVEL AMOUNTS OF DRUGS. SO THAT'S A LOT OF THE REASONS WHY YOU SEE DIFFERENCES IN THE AMOUNT OF CASES THAT WE FILE AND OUR ARRESTS, CASES ASSIGNED AND CASES FILED. THERE ARE SOME CASES WE JUST CAN'T FILE BECAUSE OF THE POLICIES OF THE TWO AGENCIES WE DEPEND ON TO FILE OUR CASES WITH. NOW THAT IS -- THAT REALLY IS THE BIG PICTURE SORT OF, THAT'S MY THREE SLIDES IN COVERING THINGS. I WILL BE GLAD TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. IF I DIDN'T ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MAYOR, I'LL CERTAINLY BE GLAD TO ATTEMPT TO. >> Mayor Guajardo: YOU ACTUALLY DID BUT I'M GOING TO ASK ONE MORE QUESTION. I UNDERSTAND THERE IS A BILL SITTING ON THE GOVERNOR'S DESK REGARDING VAPING. DO WE KNOW WHAT THE STATUS IS OF THAT? >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STATUS IS OF THAT. THE VAPING IS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING AS A CHARGE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WHETHER IT IS A FELONY OR AGAINST THE LAW, DEPENDS ON WHAT'S IN IT. THE PROBLEM WE HAVE WITH A LOT OF THIS IS, IF WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S IN IT OR IF IT'S A MISDEMEANOR SOMETHING THAT'S IN IT, DPS WON'T HELP US. AND THE WAY WE WORK VAPING NOW, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE AS NARCOTICS VICE, WE'RE GOING TO GET A HUGE BATCH AND THEN IT'S EASIER TO GET THINGS TESTED AND GET HELP IN IT. BUT AS FAR AS WHAT THE LAW CHANGED TO, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT'S AT AT THIS MOMENT. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. WHAT'S WAX? >> IT'S ALL THC PRODUCTS. THC IS AN OIL AND THEY PUT IT IN WAX OR EDIBLES. THEY'LL BE DRESSED UP AS GUMMIES CANDY. THEY'LL LOOK LIKE CHILDREN'S CANDY. ALL OF IT IS JUST -- AND THAT'S -- IT'S REAL POPULAR WITH THE YOUTH IN THE WAY THEIR DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM THERE AND HOW THEY TAKE IT. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS. >> Campos: I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR JUST CONFIRMING WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER. BECAUSE I DO. I GET CALLS FROM RESIDENTS SAYING, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DEALING DRUGS HERE AND THERE AND THE POLICE DOESN'T DO ANYTHING. AND I'M LIKE, OKAY. SO BASICALLY YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU DO FOLLOW UP BUT YOU HAVE YOUR -- I GUESS UNDERCOVER. >> I CAN TELL YOU THIS. THAT WE CAN DO THINGS ONE OF TWO WAYS. ONE WAY MAKES PEOPLE FEEL BETTER BUT DOESN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM. AND SO YOU CAN CALL ME WITH THAT PROBLEM AND I CAN GET A HOLD OF JAMES OVER HERE AND THEY CAN SEND A UNIFORM IN TO KNOCK ON THE DOOR AND RUN THEM OFF. WE'LL RUN THEM OFF AND THEY'RE JUST GOING TO SET UP SOMEWHERE ELSE. BUT IF WE DO IT MY WAY, THEN WE HAVE A MUCH BETTER CHANCE OF ACTUALLY SOLVING THE PROBLEM WHERE WE DON'T JUST RUN IT TO ANOTHER PART OF YOUR DISTRICT OR RUN IT OVER HERE TO COUNCILMAN EVERETT'S DISTRICT. WE ACTUALLY CAN TRY TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM. >> Campos: THANK YOU. >> YES. I PROMISE YOU EVERYONE WE GET WE LOOK INTO. >> Campos: THANK YOU. >> SOMEBODY GETS ASSIGNED TO IT. >> Campos: THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: I THINK THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. >> [OFF MIC] >> HELLO, MAYOR. HELLO, COUNCIL, MR. ZANONI. MY NAME IS AUSTIN. I'M A DETECTIVE WITHIN THE GANG UNIT. I ALSO SERVE ON A FEDERAL TASK FORCE WITH THE BUREAU OF ALCOHOL FIREARMS AND EXPLOSIVES, ALSO KNOWN AS THE ATF. THEY FILE FIREARM CRIMES WITHIN THE COURT. INSTEAD OF ROUTING MY CASES TO THE DA'S OFFICE, THEY GO STRAIGHT TO THE UNITED STATES ATTORNEYS OFFICE. IT'S JUST ANOTHER WAY WE COMBAT CRIME. SO TODAY WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE GANG UNIT. AND SO THE GANG UNIT HAS BEEN UP AND RUNNING FOR WELL OVER 30 YEARS. AND CHIEF GREEN IS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL FOUR IN THERE. HE DOESN'T HAVE HIS MUSTACHE ANYMORE. WE ALSO HAVE RINGGO DE LEON, WHO IS A PART OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. HE'S A DETECTIVE. RINGO IS PRESIDENT OF A TRAINING ORGANIZATION ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES WHERE THEY OFFICER GANG-RELATED TRAINING TO JUDGES, PROSECUTORS, AND LAW ENFORCEMENT ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES, BUT IT'S ALL BASED HERE IN TEXAS. SO THEY ALWAYS GO BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN SAN ANTONIO AND CORPUS TO HOST THESE TRAININGS WHERE THEY HAVE WELL OVER 1,000 PEOPLE THAT ATTEND. AND THAT'S A YEARLY TRAINING AND THEY'RE ABOUT TO START THAT, I BELIEVE, THIS WEEK. RINGO IS ALSO A PART OF THE GOVERNOR'S BOARD WHERE HE WAS APPOINTED BY THE GOVERNOR ON HIS VIOLENT TASK FORCE. SO HE SITS I GUESS ON A -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE DOES BUT HE MEETS WITH THE GOVERNOR AND THEY COME UP WITH LEGISLATION ON HOW TO COMBAT GANGS AND THINGS THAT WORK IN OUR FAVOR AND SOMETIMES THINGS THAT DON'T GO IN OUR FAVOR. HE TELLS ME A LOT MORE BUT I DON'T BELIEVE HALF THE THINGS HE SAYS. [LAUGHTER] SO AS YOU CAN SEE, AS WE ADD OFFICERS TO OUR DEPARTMENT, IT ALSO GIVES US THE ABILITY TO ADD TO OUR SPECIALIZED UNITS SUCH AS THE GANG UNIT. THAT WAS A PICTURE LAST YEAR. YOU CAN SEE WE'VE GROWN IN SIZE TREMENDOUSLY. WE HAVE BOTH PLAIN CLOTHES PEOPLE WHO DO NOT WEAR UNIFORM. THEY'RE KIND OF LIKE OUR UNDERCOVERS. WE ALSO HAVE THOSE WHO WEAR THE UNIFORM. SO WE WORK ALL THE JET TEAM, THE JUVENILE ENFORCEMENT TEAM, NOW WE ARE CALLED THE GANG UNIT. THE TWO MOST IMPORTANT THINGS WE DO WITHIN THE GANG UNIT IS GATHER AND DOCUMENT GANG INTELLIGENCE. BASICALLY WHAT THAT IS IS WE WANT TO KNOW WHO OUR GANG MEMBERS ARE, WHERE DO THEY HANG OUT, WHO ARE THEY DATING, WHERE ARE THEY PARENTS AT. WE WANT TO KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT THEM SO WHEN A GANG-RELATED CRIME HAPPENS, WE CAN BEAT THEM TO WHEREVER THEY ARE GOING TO HIDE OUT, IF THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ARRESTED FOR THAT CRIME. ANOTHER THING IS OUR ENFORCEMENT OPERATIONS, WHICH IS DISRUPTING GANG ACTIVITY. THAT'S GOING TO BE SATURATING ANY HIGH-CRIME AREAS. FOLLOW-UP WILL REQUIRE INVESTIGATIONS, EVEN CONDUCT SEARCH WARRANTS AND ARREST WARRANTS. ALSO HAVE MY CAPTAIN IS HERE, CAPTAIN MOORE, AND MY LIEUTENANT. THEY'RE ALSO PART OF OUR SWAT COMMAND. HALF THE GANG UNIT IS IN THE S.W.A.T. TEAM . SO IN THIS SLIDE, SOMETHING TO SPEAK ON FOR WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH FEDERAL AND LOCAL AGENCIES. SO RIGHT NOW OUR GANG UNIT IS A PART OF ABOUT A THREE-YEAR LONG INVESTIGATION WHERE WE BASICALLY DISMANTLED ONE OF THE LARGEST PRISON GANGS IN OUR AREA. THIS IS A FEDERAL INVESTIGATION FOR MAINLY DRUG AND FIREARM CHARGES. AND AS OF TODAY, WE'RE UP TO ABOUT A 30-COUNT INDICTMENT. IT'S ALL PEOPLE OF RANK ALL THE WAY DOWN TO ASSOCIATES ON FEDERAL CHARGES. AND SO OUR GANG UNIT'S ROLE IN THIS IS THEY KNEW WHO THE MAJOR PLAYERS WERE IN THIS GANG, AS WELL AS WHO THEY HANG OUT WITH, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE LOCAL ESTABLISHMENTS OR RESIDENCES THAT THEY LIKE TO HANG OUT AT. FROM THERE WE WERE ABLE TO GET OUR INDICTMENTS AND ARREST WARRANTS AND SEVERAL SEARCH WARRANTS. SEVERAL MONTHS AGO WE SERVED 11 SEARCH WARRANTS IN ONE DAY HERE PERTAINING TO THIS PRISON GANG. SO WE ARE BUSY. WE STAY BUSY AND WE DON'T PUT UP WITH GANG MEMBERS WHO LIKE TO CLAIM THIS CITY AS THEIR TERRITORY. IF THEY'RE CLAIMING SOMETHING, WE'RE GOING TO PUT AN END TO THAT. WE HAVE SEVERAL DIVISIONS WITHIN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, OUR CHIEF AND OUR COMMAND STAFF SUPPORT OUR MISSION. IF THERE IS ANY GANG-RELATED ACTIVITY OR CONDUCT GOING ON, WE'RE GOING TO PUT A >> I TESTIFY A LOT AS AN EXPERT WITNESS BOTH IN STATE AND FEDERAL COURT. THE MAJORITY OF MY CASES DO GO TO THE FEDERAL COURTS. I'VE TESTIFIED IN FEDERAL COURT WELL OVER 100 TIMES, SO I WEAR SUITS A LOT TO WORK. WE ALSO MAINTAIN HIGH VISIBILITY IN ALL OF OUR AREAS OF TOWN, SO LIKE I SAID, IF THERE'S AN AREA THAT'S SEEKING SOME ATTENTION, LIKE EARLIER WE WERE TALKING ABOUT GETTING CRIME STOPPER TIPS, WE'LL SEND THE GANG UNIT OVER THERE TO SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME STOPS OR SOME PROACTIVITY OUT THERE. ALL RIGHT. SO GANG CRIMES IS GOING TO BE LABELED AS GANG-RELATED CONDUCT WITHIN THE LAW, AND SO IN ORDER FOR SOMETHING TO BE A GANG-RELATED CRIME, WE HAVE TO PROVE THAT THE -- IT WAS CARRIED OUT BY THE GANG ON BEHALF OF THE GANG. AND THAT COULD BE ANYTHING FROM MURDERS, ROBBERIES, ASSAULTS KIDNAPPINGS EVEN PROSTITUTION AND GAMBLING. SO THE TWO MAIN VIOLATIONS THAT WE SEE IS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE THE DRUG VIOLATIONS, GANGS LIKE DRUGS, RIGHT, BECAUSE THEY CAN MAKE MONEY OFF OF SELLING DRUGS, BUT ONE OF THE MORE COMMON ONES WE SEE IS GOING TO BE OUR WEAPONS VIOLATIONS. AND THE REASON BEING WEAPONS IS BECAUSE GUNS ARE A PART OF THE GANG CULTURE, RIGHT? GANGS LOVE TO POSSESS GUNS, BECAUSE IT FACILITATES THEIR CRIME THAT THEY DO, THEY ALSO USE IT FOR PROTECTION AGAINST THEY'RE OTHER GANGS. THAT'S WHERE I COME IN FOR MY JOB. I WORK VIOLENT CRIMES WITHIN THE ATF, SO EVERY CASE THAT I FILE RESOLVES AROUND A FIREARM, SO WHETHER PEOPLE ARE GOING AND DOING ARMED ROBBERIES OF BUSINESSES, WE'VE GOT PEOPLE MANIPULATING FIREARMS TO WHERE THEY CAN SHOOT FASTER, WE HAVE PEOPLE WITH EXTENSIVE CRIMINAL HISTORY, VIOLENT CRIMINAL HISTORY FOUND TO BE IN POSSESSION OF FIREARMS, EVEN DRUG DEALERS WHO ARE USING FIREARMS TO PROTECT THEIR DRUG SALES RIGHT? WHENEVER THEY'RE IN THE COMMISSION OF FACILITATING THEIR DRUG HOUSES. AND AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE'RE AT 100% CONVICTION RATE, MEANING WE HAVE EVER LOST A CASE THAT WE'VE SENT. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WORKING. IT'S VERY EFFECTIVE. I CAN SAY THE -- I SAY "WE" BECAUSE I DON'T WORK BY MYSELF. I HAVE A TEAM THAT I DO EVERYTHING WITH. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO DO THIS JOB BY YOURSELF, BUT TOGETHER WE'VE PUT 80 PEOPLE IN FEDERAL PRISON, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS, SO WITHIN THE LAST FIVE YEARS WE'VE PUT 80 PEOPLE IN FEDERAL PRISON FOR VIOLENT CRIME. THE NIBIN TEAM THAT WAS STARTED UP HERE IN JANUARY BY CHIEF MARKLE, THAT'S ALSO BEEN A VERY EFFECTIVE UNIT. WE HAVE IN THE PAST HAD GANG INJUNCTIONS WHICH I BELIEVE THAT'S GOING TO BE LIKE A CITY ORDINANCE S THAT CORRECT, THAT WE DO -- OH, STATE LAW. AND BASICALLY, THAT WOULD PREVENT GANG MEMBERS FROM ASSOCIATING TOGETHER OR BEING IN CERTAIN PARTS OF TOWN, SO IF WE WERE TO SEE A RAMP UP IN SOME SORT OF GANG ACTIVITY, WE WOULD IMPLEMENT SOME KIND OF GANG INJUNCTION, AND ALSO FOR THE LEADERS OF GANGS THAT ARE OUT THERE, AND IF THEY'RE LISTENING, IT IS ILLEGAL FOR THEM TO SUPERVISE, FINANCE OR DIRECT ANY KIND OF GANG ACTIVITY. WANT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. I CAN ANSWER IT. >> Scott: COUNCILMEMBERS CAN GET TOGETHER AS GANGS ALL THE TIME. >> WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THAT IN JUST A MINUTE. NO, NO, NO, LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO SPEAKING OF THIS, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE GANGS, RIGHT? SO WHEN YOU THINK OF A GANG AND THE LAW STATES A GANG IS GOING TO BE THREE OR MORE PEOPLE THAT HAVE A COMMON SIGN, SYMBOL OR LEADERSHIP, RIGHT? SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, RIGHT, CITY EMPLOYEES, RIGHT, THEY ALL WEAR THE LOGO, YOU'VE GOT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHERE THEY ALL WEAR THE SAME PATCH, WE HAVE A LEADER, SPORTS TEAMS AND MILITARY TEAMS OF THAT, BUT ON THE VERY LAST PART OF THAT IT SAYS CONTINUE REGULARLY ASSOCIATE IN CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, RIGHT IN ? SO WHEN YOU HAVE THREE OR MORE PEOPLE THAT HAVE A COMMON SIGN, SYMBOL OR LEADERSHIP AND COMMONLY ASSOCIATE IN CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, WHICH IS WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, THAT'S HOW WE MAKE SOMEBODY A GANG, RIGHT? SO I CAN'T SAY JUST BECAUSE WE'RE WEARING NAVY, WE'RE GOING TO BE A GANG, RIGHT? WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ARTICULATE AND DOCUMENT THESE CRIMES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT ON THE LAST SLIDE THAT THEY DO COMMIT THESE CRIMES ON A CONTINUING BASIS, AND THAT'S HOW WE'RE ABLE TO SAY THEY ARE A GANG. WE CAN'T JUST PICK A GROUP OF PEOPLE AND SAY THAT'S A GANG, THAT'S PROFILING, IT'S ILLEGAL. AND ONE WAY WE IDENTIFY OUR GANGS IS GOING TO BE CLOTHING, HAND SIGNS, TATTOOS, SYMBOLS, EVEN LOCATIONS OF TOWN, LIKE A STREET, A NEIGHBORHOOD, A BUSINESS, APARTMENT COMPLEX, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO AS YOU SEE, WE HAVE ALL OF OUR TRADITIONAL GANGS, PRISON GANGS, STREET GANGS, MOTORCYCLE GANGS BUT THE ONE I WANT TO TOUCH ON IS OUR HYBRID GANGS. THAT'S GOING TO BE LIKE A NEW KIND OF GANG CULTURE, IT'S A PROBLEM ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES, WE DO HAVE SOME HERE, AND BASICALLY THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE MOST ACTIVE BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO KIND OF LEADERSHIP, NO KIND OF RANK, MEMBERS COME AND GO, AND THERE'S TIMES WHERE THESE GUYS CAN COMBINE GANGS TOGETHER AND FORM A BIGGER SET, AND THEN THE NEXT DAY THEY'RE SHOOTING AT EACH OTHER, AND WE'RE WORKING A SHOOTING OR A DRIVE-BY SHOOTING AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY THESE GUYS ARE JUMPING SHIP. HIGH TBRID GANGS ARE TYPICALLY GOING TO BE MALES BETWEEN THE AGE OF, I'D SAY 15 TO 21, RIGHT? SO THEY'RE ALL YOUNG MALES. THEY LOVE FIREARMS, ALL OF THEM HAVE FIREARMS, EVERYTHING FROM PISTOLS TO RIFLES. THEY LOVE TO DISPLAY THEM, SHOW THEM OFF. AND THAT'S WHEN THE GANG UNIT COMES AND PAYS THEM A VISIT AND WE FIND WAYS TO SEIZE THOSE FIREARMS. A LOT OF THE CRIMES THEY'RE INVOLVED IN OR GANG-ON-GANG CRIME. THEY REFER TO THEM AS THEIR OPPOSITIONS, THEIR OPS, WHERE THEY TARGET EACH OTHER, AND THAT CAN BE OVER DRUGS, MONEY, AND EVEN FEMALE ASSOCIATES. THE DRUGS LIKE WHAT CHIEF PO BOWERS TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, THEY'RE REAL BIG INTO SELLING MARIJUANA AND THE THC PRODUCTS, AND JUST A NOTE ON FRIDAY, WE STARTED LOOKING AT A HOUSE EARLY IN THE MORNING AND BY 11:00, WE WERE HITTING IT WITH A SEARCH WARRANT WITH A SWAT TEAM, WE GOT THREE ARRESTS OUT OF IT AND WE ALSO GOT SEVERAL POUNDS OF MARIJUANA AND ABOUT 500 OF THE THC CARDS, AS WELL AS SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARSS IN CASH, RIGHT? SO THAT'S THE GANG UNIT, THAT'S NOT THE NARCOTICS DIVISION. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT FOR THAT ONE. GO TO THE NEXT. WE WORK A LOT WITH NARCOTICS, SO WE'VE GOT TO GIVE THEM A HARD TIME. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS GOING TO BE THE TOTAL DOCUMENTED NUMBERS OF GANG MEMBERS THAT WE HAVE. I COULD HAVE COMPILE -- COMPILED THIS BACK IN MAY. NOW, THIS NUMBER CHANGES ALMOST ON A DAILY BASIS, RIGHT, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE EITHER BEINGEN PUT INTO THE SYSTEM OR TAKEN OUT OF THE SYSTEM. SO SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WE DEVELOPED A DATABASE, AND BASICALLY IT'S A GANG RESOURCE SYSTEM, AND NOW IT'S USED BY, I THINK, SEVEN OR EIGHT OTHER AGENCIES THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES. BUT WE BASICALLY DEVELOPED A GANG DATABASE THAT INPUTS INTO THE STATEWIDE DATABASE. AND SO THE REASON WHY WE HAVE A DATABASE IS BECAUSE AT THE VERY BOTTOM SLIDE, IT SAYS THE LAW STATES THAT BECAUSE OF A CITY OF OUR SIZE, WE SHALL MAINTAIN A DATABASE BASED ON GANGS WITHIN OUR CITY. SO IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE'RE PICKING ON THEM, LIKE THEY SAY WE ARE, IT'S BECAUSE THE LAW STATES THAT WE HAVE TO. BASICALLY THE WAY GANGS WORK IS IT'S GOING TO BE OFF OF A POINT SYSTEM, RIGHT? SO LIKE I SAID EARLIER, IF WE WEAR NAVY, THAT'S NOT ENOUGH TO SAY THAT SOMEBODY IS A GANG MEMBER. OKAY? IT WORKS OFF OF A POINT SYSTEM. SOME THINGS, LIKE THE ONLY TWO THAT WOULD IMMEDIATELY MAKE YOU A GANG MEMBER IS IF YOU'RE IN SOME KIND OF A COURT PROCEEDING AND A JUDGE OR A JURY FINDS YOU -- FINDS EVIDENCE THAT YOU'RE A GANG MEMBER OR IF YOU SELF-ADMIT, LIKE WHY YOU TAKE THE STAND AND I'M A GANG MEMBER OF THIS GANG, THAT'S THE ONLY TIME THAT THAT ONE THING WOULD BE LABELING YOU AS A GANG MEMBER. OTHER THAN THAT, IT WORKS OFF OF A POINT SYSTEM. SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD USE, LIKE WHEN WE'RE OUT IN THE FIELD IS GOING TO BE INTERVIEWING SOMEBODY AND THEM TELLING US THAT THEY'RE A GANG MEMBER, A TRAFFIC STOP, CALL FOR SERVICE, WEARING SOME TYPE OF CLOTHING OR TATTOOS, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, HANGING OUT IN CERTAIN APARTMENT COMPLEX OR STREET, OR EVEN ASSOCIATED WITH OTHER GANG MEMBERS. SO WE HAVE TO COMPILE SEVERAL THINGS TOGETHER, THERE'S ABOUT 11 OR 12 DIFFERENT ONES AND WE HAVE TO COMPILE THEM LIKE A POINT SYSTEM. ONCE THEY MEET X AMOUNT OF POINTS THEN THEY'RE ENTERED INTO THE GANG SYSTEM AS A GANG MEMBER. WE HAVE TO HAVE THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF POINTS AND QUALIFIERS IN ORDER FOR THEM TO BE LISTED AS A GANG MEMBER. NOW, I SAID WE WERE TAKING PEOPLE OUT OF THE SYSTEM, SO THERE IS A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD WHERE IF PEOPLE DON'T MEET ANY OF THE QUALIFIERS WITHIN A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD, THEY GET REMOVED FROM THE SYSTEM. JUST BECAUSE YOU GET INPUT INTO THE SYSTEM, DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE GOING TO STAY IN THE SYSTEM FOREVER. THAT'S A WRAP. ALL RIGHT. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. WE HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS HERE. COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS. >> Campos: I JUST HAD ONE. GRAFFITI, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ACTUALLY GONE DOWN. >> SO IT'S DOWN. IT IS KIND OF COMING BACK A LITTLE BIT, BUT THE GRAFFITI NOWADAYS IS GOING TO BE THINGS POSTED ON THE INTERNET. >> Campos: OH, REALLY. >> SOCIAL MEDIA, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. EVERYTHING IS ON THE INTERNET NOW. YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT SOMEBODY, THE INTERNET. >> [OFF MIC] >> Campos: SO NOW IT'S JUST GONE TO SOCIAL MEDIA AND NOT PHYSICAL -- >> YES, CORRECT. EVERY NOW AND THEN YOU'LL GET SOME TAGGING HERE AND THERE. >> Campos: YEAH. >> BUT AS FAR AS GANG-RELATED WHERE PEOPLE ARE CLAIMING NEIGHBORHOODS OR DISRESPECTING THE -- THEIR OPPOSITIONS, THAT'S MORE ONLINE NOW. >> Campos: ALL RIGHT. BECAUSE I DON'T -- I MEAN, KNOCK ON WOOD, I DON'T SEE IT LIKE I USED TO, SO... >> LET'S KEEP IT THAT WAY. >> Campos: OKAY. GOOD. THANK YOU. COUNCILMA N HERNANDEZ? >> Hernandez: YEAH, YOU'D MENTIONED YOU DO WORK WITH THE ATF, AND I'M PRETTY SURE THAT -- AND THROUGH THE PROCESS HERE, YOU ACQUIRE FIREARMS AND COLLECT THEM. WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THOSE FIREARMS? SO THEY GET INPUT AS EVIDENCE. IF THEY ARE STOLEN FIREARMS, WE RETURN THEM BACK TO THE OWNER. IF NOT, WE JUDICIOUSLY SEIZE THEM AND THEY GET DESTROYED. YES, THROUGH DESTRUCTION. SO BASICALLY, IT GETS -- THE ASSET FORFEITURE THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, THEY -- BASICALLY IT'S A PART OF THE INDICTMENT WHERE THESE ITEMS FROM THE CRIME GET SEIZED AND FORFEITED OVER TO THE GOVERNMENT. >> Hernandez: SO WHEN YOU SAY CRIME, ARE YOU REFERRING TO A VIOLENT CRIME OR JUST POSSESSION CRIME? >> IT COULD BE EITHER/OR. >> Hernandez: SO IF YOU HAVE A HIGH DOLLAR FIREARM, YOU DESTROY IT AS OPPOSED TO POSSIBLY MAKE REVENUE FROM IT? >> WE CAN'T -- YEAH, WE CAN'T SELL IT. THERE ARE SOMEWHERE WE CAN USE IT AS A, LIKE AN ADMINISTRATIVE FORFEITURE THAT WE CAN USE IT AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR SOMETHING, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE FOR LIKE A LAW ENFORCEMENT USE. >> Hernandez: NO, NO, I'M LIKE, YOU COLLECT A COLLECTIBLE FIREARM THAT IS IN POSSESSION FROM A -- I MEAN, YOU DESTROY THAT FIREARM? >> Chief Markle: THE ADJUDICATION OF THE CASE COMES WITH A DESTRUCTION ORDER AND WE DESTROY THE FIREARM. WE DO NOT SELL CRIMINAL FIREARMS BACK TO THE PUBLIC. AS TODD EXPLAINED, WHEN WE GET A GUN USED IN A CRIME, OR A NIBIN UNIT RESEARCHES THE HISTORY OF IT, AND WHAT I DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS GUN THAT WAS USED TO KILL SOMEBODY'S WIFE WAS ONCE OWNED BY THE CCPD AND SOLD BACK TO THE PUBLIC. WE DON'T SELL GUNS BACK TO THE PUBLIC. WE DESTROY THEM. IF YOUR GUN IS TAKEN, WE GET IT BACK TO YOU. IF A CRIMINAL'S GUN IS TAKEN AND WE GET IT BACK AFTER ADJUDICATION WITH A DESTRUCTION ORDER, WE DON'T PART IT OUT, WE DON'T SELL THE PARTS. >> Hernandez: I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT OF VIEW, I'M NOT GOING TO BEND TOWARDS A GLOCK 15 OR A GLOCK. >> Chief Markle: I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING, THERE ARE HIGH DOLLAR GUNS. >> Hernandez: I'M TALKING ABOUT A HIGH DOLLAR -- >> Chief Markle: SURE, THOSE ARE VERY RARE, AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, I THINK WE'VE DESTROYED A COUPLE HIGH DOLLAR GUNS MAYBE IN THE PAST, BUT IF THEY'RE USED IN A CRIME AND THEY COME WITH A DESTRUCTION ORDER, THEY'RE GETTING DESTROYED. >> Hernandez: OKAY. I UNDERSTAND IF IT'S IN VIOLENT CRIME, I GET IT. BUT IF YOU JUST COLLECT -- SOMEBODY SHOWS UP AT SOMEBODY'S HOUSE AND THEY HAVE A BUNCH OF WEAPONS LYING AROUND. >> Chief Markle: IF THEY'RE A CONVICTED FELON AND HAVE POSSESSION OF A GUN, THEN THEY'RE A CRIMINAL WITH A GUN, THAT'S A GUN USED IN A CRIME. >> Hernandez: SO I GET IT. I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY SOME LEEWAY THERE, BUT. >> Chief Markle: SURE. >> Hernandez: I GET IT. I GET WHAT YOUR CONCERNS ARE, BUT I THINK YOU'RE ALSO LOSING A REVENUE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOUR OFFICERS. >> Chief Markle: YOU MAY GET A FEW HUNDRED BUCKS FOR A GUN, MAYBE EVEN A FEW THOUSAND BUCKS, BUT IN MY OPINION, WE'RE NOT GOING TO ROLL THE DICE WITH THAT GUN GOING BACK TO THE PUBLIC AND BEING USED AGAIN IN A CRIME. BECAUSE THERE IS A RECIDIVISM RATE FOR WEAPONS THAT ARE RECYCLED INTO THE COMMUNITY. WE HAVE GUNS THAT ARE STOLEN, WE LOSE 200 PLUS GUNS A YEAR IN VEHICLES. WE CATCH THEM ROUTINELY USED IN CRIMES, SO WE DON'T -- WE'RE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF RECIRCULATING GUNS. I GET YOU. IF YOU'RE A GOOD PERSON, COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN, YOU GET YOUR GUN STOLEN, WE GET THAT GUN BACK TO YOU, IT'S GOING BACK TO YOU. WE DON'T KEEP GOOD PEOPLE'S GUNS. >> Hernandez: HOW DO YOU GET. >> WE NOTIFY THEM. >> Hernandez: HOW DO YOU NOTIFY THEM, IS IT THROUGH LETTER, THROUGH CALL. >> IT'S THROUGH A PHONE. >> Chief Markle: YEAH, IF IT'S REPORTED STOLEN. >> Hernandez: SO IT'S A PHONE CALL. >> Chief Markle: YEP. OUR PROPERTY ROOM -- >> Hernandez: WHAT'S YOUR RETURN RATE? >> Chief Markle: I HAVE NO IDEA. WE CAN FIND THAT. >> Hernandez: OKAY. ALSO I NOTICED YOU DIDN'T MENTION ANY WHITE COLLAR CRIMES. THERE WAS NO -- >> Chief Markle: NO, I DID NOT. >> Hernandez: THERE WAS NO STATISTICS ON WHITE COLLAR CRIMES, EMBEZZLEMENT, ANY OF THAT? >> Chief Markle: WE HAVE A WHITE COLLAR CRIME INVESTIGATIVE UNIT, BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AS IT PERTAINS TO FIREARM POSSESSION. >> Hernandez: NO, NO. WE'RE PAST THE FIREARMS. >> Chief Markle: WE'RE DONE WITH FIREARMS. WE HAVE A WHITE COLLAR UNIT, A GREAT UNIT. THEY DO GREAT UNIT. WE CAME BACK ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE GIVEN TO US BY COUNCIL FOR FOLLOW-UP. >> Hernandez: OKAY. JUST MAYBE SOME STATISTICS ON THAT. >> Chief Markle: SURE. >> Hernandez: ANYBODY? >> SO WE WERE USING THE FBI NUMBERS TO BE ABLE TO COMPARE TO OTHER CITIES. THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE EMBEZZLEMENT UNDER THEFT, UNDER LARCENY, IT'S NOT A SEPARATE CRIME TO -- IT FALLS UNDER THAT CATEGORY, BUT LIKE THE CHIEF SAID, WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD FINANCIAL CRIMES UNIT, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN UPDATE ON, WE CAN GIVE YOU THAT. >> Hernandez: OKAY. >> LOCAL DATA. >> Hernandez: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COUNCILMA N SCOTT? >> Scott: I DO HAVE TO -- FIRST OF ALL, CHIEF, THANK YOU. THANK YOU TO ALL THE MEN AND WOMEN THAT ARE PART OF YOUR TEAM, THE SCOTT FAMILY THANKS YOU, CORPUS CHRISTI'S A BETTER PLACE FOR YOUR SERVICE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I AM A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED THAT YOU DIDN'T BRING SAMPLES OF THE DRUGS, BECAUSE ON OUR LAST TERM, JOHN HOUSTON SHOWS UP WITH POTPOURRI, THAT WAS THE BIG THINGS, KIDS WERE SMOKING. SO HE BRINGS US FIVE BAGS THAT WE COULD TOUCH AND FEEL. AND I SO BADLY WANTED TO HIDE ONE BECAUSE THEY WENT THROUGH THE COUNCIL AND THEN ENDED UP WITH THE CITY SECRETARY, HE WENT OVER AND PICKED THEM UP. I THOUGHT WHAT WOULD HE THINK IN THAT MINUTE WHEN HE WENT TO PICK UP THE FIVE MEMBERS AND THERE WERE FOUR. I DIDN'T DO IT, I'M CHICKEN. AND I WOULDN'T DO IT TODAY. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANKS. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU GUYS DO, AND CHIEF, I THINK YOU'RE A FANTASTIC LEADER, AND THANK YOU. >> TO TOUCH ON THE SYNTHETICS, SO WITHIN THE LAST YEAR I HAD A CASE WITH OUR NARCOTICS DIVISION WE RAIDED TWO HOUSES, WE ELIMINATED ONE OF THE MAIN SYNTHETIC DEALERS WITHIN OUR CITY. WE GOT OVER 7 POUNDS OF SYNTHEIN THE RESIDENCE. COUNCILMA N VAUGHN? >> Vaughn: CHIEF MARKLE, THANK YOU FOR NOT SELLING WEAPONS BACK TO THE PUBLIC. I DON'T CARE HOW MUCH YOU WOULD GET MONEY ON IT, YOU DON'T DO THAT. THANK YOU. AUSTIN, ARE YOU THE FAMOUS ONE THAT'S MARRIED TO PRISCILLA? >> I AM. >> Vaughn: YOU'RE A LUCKY MAN. SHE'S ONE OF MY FAVORITE PEOPLE. SHE TESTED ME A WHILE AGO, YOU NEVER GO HOME IN A VERY GOOD MOOD AND SHE'S WATCHING. >> Vaughn: YOU DID A REALLY GOOD PRESENTATION. ALL OF YOU GENTLEMEN DID. HOW MANY DIFFERENT GANGS DO YOU THINK ARE IN CORPUS CHRISTI? >> I WOULD SAY MAYBE ABOUT 50. >> Vaughn: THAT MANY? >> A LOT OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE OUR HYBRID GANGS, ONLY BECAUSE THEY'RE SMALLER GROUPS AND THEY JUMP FROM GANG TO GANG SO MANY TIMES. >> Vaughn: AND ARE YOU SEEING A LOT OF OUR YOUNG PEOPLE GETTING INVOLVED IN THAT IN THE SCHOOLS? >> THERE ARE SOME INVOLVEMENT IN SCHOOLS, AND WE HAVE A GANG OFFICER WHO'S TIED IN WITH CCISD WHO'S BRIEFING WEEKLY WITH THEM ON GANG TRENDS THAT ARE WITHIN CCISD AND SOME OF THE OTHER SCHOOLS, SO THAT'S OFFICER RAYMOND JONES, HE'S VERY GOOD AT WHAT HE DOES AND HE STAYS ON TOP OF THESE HYBRID GANGS AND STUFF. THEY'RE DOING WHAT THEY CAN TO HELP OUT WITHIN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. >> Vaughn: WHAT ABOUT THE SURROUNDING AREAS, I'M NOT GOING TO NAME ANY CITIES, BUT DO Y YOU THINK ANY OF THE GANGS ARE COMING FROM THE SURROUNDING CITY AND MIXING BE OUR GANGS. >> THERE ARE PRISON GANGS THAT HAVE SUBSETS. THERE ARE TIMES WHEN THEY COME INTO OUR CITY OR TRANSFER -- NOT TRANSFER, BUT TRAVEL TO ANOTHER CITY, LIKE WE HAD A CASE PROBABLY LIKE THREE WEEKS AGO WHERE SOME OF OUR GANG MEMBERS HERE LOCALLY COMMITTED A VIOLENT ASSAULT IN CENTRAL TEXAS AND WE WORKED WITH DEPARTMENT IN CENTRAL TEXAS BASICALLY OBTAINING THREE SEARCH WARRANTS AND ARREST WARRANTS HERE AND WE EXECUTED A THEM AND WERE ABLE TO GET WHAT WE NEEDED AS WELL AS THE ARREST OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS. SO JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE GANG MEMBERS HERE, DOESN'T MEAN THEY DON'T TRAVEL TO OTHER CITIES AND VICE VERSA. >> Vaughn: AND WHEN THE BORDER WAS OPEN FOR SO LONG AND WE HAD SO MANY ILLEGALS COMING IN, DO YOU THINK THAT WAS AN UPTAKE? DID IT AFFECT ANYTHING HERE? >> FARCE THE GANGS. >> Vaughn: YOU DIDN'T SEE IT? >> THAT WOULD BE MORE OF LIKE THE DRUG ANGLE. THE GANG MEMBERS PARTICIPATING IN THE DRUG SALES OR THE MOVING OF THE DRUGS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. >> Vaughn: TO ME, THEY'RE JUST INTERTWINED, I DON'T KNOW, BUT ANYWAY, AND ICE, DO Y'ALL SUPPORT ICE IF THEY WERE TO COME INTO THE CITY. I'M SURE THE ANSWER IS YES? IS THAT A LOADED QUESTION? I HOPE NOT. >> IT'S A LOADED QUESTION, YES. >> Vaughn: IT'S AN IMPORTANT QUESTION. >> >> Chief Markle: IMMIGRATION IS NOT OUR BUSINESS, RIGHT? >> Vaughn: NO. >> Chief Markle: BUT OF COURSE WE SUPPORT LAW ENFORCEMENT ACROSS THE BOARD. IF THEY'RE LOOKING FOR -- WELL, WHAT WE CARE ABOUT ARE CATCHING CRIMINALS, WE DON'T CARE WHERE THEY COME FROM. SO IF WE CATCH A CRIMINAL AND THEY'RE FROM CORPUS CHRISTI, THEY GO TO JAIL. IF WE CATCH A CRIMINAL AND THEY'RE FROM VENEZUELA, THEY GO TO JAIL. THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE STAND. REDUCING CRIME IS PART OF OUR OPERATIONAL OBJECTIVE. >> Vaughn: YOU TREAT THEM THE SAME. >> Chief Markle: WE TREAT THEM THE SAME. >> Vaughn: THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH. >> Mayor Guajardo: I THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE APPRECIATE THE DETAIL THAT YOU PUT INTO IT. IT WAS VERY INFORMATIVE AND WE APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU BEING HERE IN OUR TIME AND FOR ALWAYS PROTECTING OUR CITIES AND RESIDENTS. THANK YOU. >> Barrera: THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO. >> Mayor Guajardo: YEAH, THANK YOU FOR ALL Y'ALL DO. GOOD JOB. OKAY. SO WE ARE GOING TO JUMP BACK IN LINE HERE AND WE'RE GOING TO SECTION L, INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION ITEMS, ITEMS NUMBER 30, CCFD, YOU'RE UP. THIS IS RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE SUBMISSION OF A GRANT APPLICATION FOR THE 2024 STAFFING FOR ADEQUATE FIRE AND EMERGENCY RESPONSE OR SAFER GRANT IN THE AMOUNT OF 4,004,254,000. SORRY, I DIDN'T GET THAT RIGHT. >> WE'RE CLOSE.4 MILLION . YES SIR? >> ALL RIGHT. BRANDON WADE, FIRE CHIEF. THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THIS. THIS IS -- AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT APPLYING FOR THE SAFER GRANT WHICH WILL ASSIST US IN GETTING ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTERS TO HELP US WITH FOUR-PERSON STAFFING. AS WE SAID BEFORE, THE SAFER GRANT IS THE STAFFING FOR FIRE AND EMERGENCY PRAT US AND EMERGENCY RESPONSE, THIS GRANT HAS BEEN CREATED TO PROVIDE FUNDING DIRECTLY TO FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND ACHIEVE AND INCREASE STAFFING, WHICH IS ON THE FRONT LINE. SO THAT IS ACTUALLY FOR OUR FIREFIGHTERS THAT ARE OUT ON THE TRUCKS, NOT TO PUT FIREFIGHTERS IN STAFF OR SUPPORT POSITIONS. SO THE POSITIONS FOR THIS WOULD BE GOING DIRECTLY OUT INTO THE FIELD. SO THE GOAL OF SAFER IS TO ENHANCE LOCAL FIRE DEPARTMENT'S ABILITIES TO COMPLY WITH THE STAFFING RESPONSE AND OPERATIONAL STANDARDS ESTABLISHED WITH NFPA1710 AND THAT'S THE NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS A CONSENSUS STANDARD ACROSS THE BOARD THAT HELPS FIRE DEPARTMENTS BUILD AND FOLLOW THESE THINGS AND ENSURE THAT WE'RE OPERATING AT THE HIGHEST CAPACITY. SO THIS IS -- THIS STANDARD HAS BEEN AROUND, IT COVERS THINGS SUCH AS RESPONSE, THE NUMBER OF FIREFIGHTERS THAT SHOULD BE RIDING APPARATUS OR SHOWING UP TO EMERGENCY SCENES. SO PART OF NFPA 1710 REQUI REQUIREMENTS, FIREFIGHTERS WILL RESPOND WITH A MINIMUM OF FOUR PERSONNEL ON EACH APPARATUS. THEY'VE STOPPED DOING STUDIES ON THIS, I'VE SAID IT BEFORE, IT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS THE CONSENSUS STANDARD. IN FACT, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THOUGH, THEY SAY THIS IS THE MINIMUM FOR ORGANIZATIONS, DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE -- HAVE HIGH RESPONSES. THEY ACTUALLY SUGGEST FIVE, UP TO SIX PERSONNEL ON APPARATUS JUST BECAUSE -- DEPENDING ON THE SCOPE OF WORK, BUT, AGAIN, THE MINIMUM THAT HAS BEEN SET BY NFPA 1710 IS FOR FIREFIGHTERS ON THE APPARATUS. PART OF 1710 FIREFIGHTERS WILL ARRIVE AT THE EMERGENCY SCENE WITHIN FOUR MINUTES OF THE DISPATCH CENTER RECEIVING THE CALL. THIS THING LINES OUT JUST A BUNCH OF, AGAIN, STAN STANDARDS FOR US FROM CALL TAKING WHAT WE CALL TURNOUT TIMES, FROM THE TIME THE FIREFIGHTERS GET THE CALL AT THE STATION TO RESPONDING ON THE P APPARATUS AND THEN THERE'S TRAVEL TIME FROM THE TIME YOU GET IN THE APPARATUS TO THE EMERGENCY SCENE. AS THAT LAST BULLET STATES THE CORRECT NUMBER OF FULLY STAFFED FIREFIGHTERS AND STRATEGICALLY LOCATED FIRE STATIONS MUST BE THERE TO BE ABLE TO MEET THESE CONSENSUS STANDARDS. IT CAN BE TOUGH FOR LARGER CITIES THAT ARE EXTREMELY BUSY AND RUNNING MANY CALLS, WE TRY TO ACHIEVE THAT. HERE LOCALLY, WE TRY TO HAVE A RESPONSE TIME, WHICH IS A TOTAL RESPONSE TIME FROM THE TIME THE CALL COMES IN TO US GETTING ON SCENE IS WITHIN EIGHT MINUTES, AT LEAST 90% OF THE TIME TO ACHIEVE THAT GOAL. SO WITH THE SAFER GRANT, WE'VE APPLIED FOR THE SAFER GRANT BEFORE BACK IN 2013. WE WERE AWARDED A SAFER GRANT. IT DIDN'T ADD ADDITIONAL PEOPLE TO THE DEPARTMENT. AT THE TIME CCFD HAD HIGH NUMBER OF VACANCIES, SO WHEN THEY APPLIED FOR IT BACK IN 2013, THEY USED THE SAFER GRANT MONEY TO HIRE TO FILL THE VACANCIES, SO IT DIDN'T INCREASE THE NUMBERS BACK IN 2013 AT THE TIME, BUT WE WERE AWARDED THAT SAFER GRANT BACK THEN TO HELP US JUST HIRE AND FILL OUR VACANCIES. SO CURRENTLY, THE SAFER GRANT HAS CAME BACK OPEN, IT IS THE APPLICATION DEADLINE IS JULY THE THIRD, SO THAT'S COMING UP IN A FEW WEEKS. WE HAVE APPLIED FOR THIS BEFORE, AND THAT MAY BE IN A LATER SLIDE THAT GOES WITH IT, BUT THIS -- THE PURPOSE OF APPLYING FOR THIS IS, AGAIN, TO HELP US ACHIEVE OUR FOUR-PERSON STAFFING. WE'D BE LOOKING TO TRY TO GET AT LEAST 15 PEOPLE TO GO WITH IT, AS WE HAVE A FIVE-YEAR PLAN AS WE HAVE PRESENTED BEFORE. SO WITH THIS, WE ONLY HAVE EIGHT APPARATUS OUT OF OUR 22 FRONT-LINE FIRE APPARATUS THAT HAVE FOUR-PERSON STAFFING. THE EIGHT UNITS THAT HAVE THAT CURRENTLY ARE OUR LADDER COMPANIES, OUR RESCUE TRUCK, WHICH IS A TECHNICAL RESCUE, OUR HAZMAT COMPANY WHICH DOES HAZARDOUS MATERIALS AND THEN WE HAVE ENGINE 13 WHICH IS DOWN IN THE BLUFF, THEY'RE A SINGLE STAND-ALONE ENGINE, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE A BOAT, SO THEY KIND OF HAVE SOME EXPERTISE. THEY NEED TO GET THE BOAT IN THE WATER, IT TAKES MORE THAN JUST THREE AND GET THAT OUT. SO THOSE ARE THE EIGHT COMPANIES THAT HAVE FOUR PERSONS ON THE APPARATUS RIGHT NOW, THE LADDER TRUCKS. AND WHY LADDER TRUCKS AND NOT THE ENGINE COMPANIES THAT PULL OFF THE HOSE? OUR LADDER TRUCKS JUST BECAUSE THE DIVISION OF LABOR, THEY'RE DOING THE SEARCHES INSIDE THE HOUSE, THEY OFTEN HAVE TO SPLIT UP, SO THEY CAN BE MORE EFFECTIVE IN A SEARCH. THEY'RE DOING MULTIPLE TASKS AT THE SAME TIME TO TRY TO LOCATE VICTIMS AND MAKE THAT SCENE ACCESSIBLE SO THE ENGINE COMPANIES CAN GET THE HOSELINES IN THERE. SO WITH 14 UNITS, THAT LEAVES OUR 14 UNITS WITH THREE PEOPLE THAT HAVE THAT ON THERE. THAT IS OUR MINIMUM THAT GO ON THE ENGINES. IT TAKES A STAFFING FACTOR OF 4.16 PEOPLE TO FILL EACH POSITION. SO THAT'S WHERE WHEN WE LOOK TO TRY TO FILL OUT FOUR-PERSON STAFFING ACROSS THE BOARD, WE NEEDED ADDITIONAL 86 PEOPLE TO GET TO OUR NUMBER TO BE ABLE TO ADEQUATELY STAFF THE DEPARTMENT AND GET FOUR PERSON. AND THE REASON THAT THERE'S A STAFFING FACTOR WITH IT, AND IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO FILL A POSITION THAT'S ONE PERSON, YOU HAVE TO TAKE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION THAT HAS FIREFIGHTERS NOT BE AT WORK, WHICH IS VACATION, SICK, FMLA, INJURIES, ALL OF THE -- MILITARY LEAVE. SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF TIMES THAT FIREFIGHTERS ARE NOT AT WORK, SO THERE'S A FACTOR THAT GOES INTO PLACE WHEN YOU LOOK TO TRY TO GET THE ADEQUATE NUMBER OF PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE FOUR-PERSON STAFF. SO, AGAIN, AS WE LOOK AT -- IF CCFD HIRES AN ADDITIONAL 15 FIREFIGHTERS THIS YEAR, PART OF THE PLAN WOULD BE ADDING 18 FIREFIGHTERS IN THE COMING YEAR TO GET US WITHIN FIVE YEARS INTO THAT 86 PEOPLE. THAT MEANS THAT WE WOULD ACHIEVE THAT SOMEWHERE AROUND JUNE OF 2031, WHEN WE'D BE ABLE TO DO IT. OUR ACADEMY IS 17 MONTHS, SO IT TAKES SOME TIME WHEN YOU HIRE THE PERSON FOR THEM TO GO TO PARAMEDICS SCHOOL AND THEN GET THEIR FIREFIGHTER CERTIFICATION AND THEN THEY CAN GO OUT AND THEN THEY'LL BE ON THE TRUCK. SO JUST BECAUSE YOU HIRE, YOU DON'T SEE THE DIRECT EFFECT RIGHT AWAY IN OPERATIONS AS THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE FIRE AND PARAMEDIC ACADEMY. THE CURRENT AUTHORIZED COMPLEMENT FOR CCFD IS 455 UNIFORM PERSONNEL L. AND WE'RE NEEDING TO GET TO 541 TO FULLY STAFF THAT -- OUR DEPARTMENT. SO OUR GRANT REQUEST FOR THIS YEAR IS $4,004,254.53. IF AWARDED, THE GRANT FUNDS WILL BE APPROPRIATED IN FISCAL YEAR 26. THERE IS A CASH MATCH THIS YEAR, THE SAFER GRANT OFTENTIMES YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO COME OUT WITH WITH CASH MATCH. THEY ALWAYS RELEASE THE PERCENTAGE WHEN THEY OPEN UP THE GRANT. THIS TIME WHEN THEY OPENED IT UP, THE CASH MATCH IS 25% IN THE FIRST AND SECOND YEAR, AND THEN IN THE THIRD YEAR, THE CASH MATCH IS 65%. AND THAT TOTALS 1.6 MILLION. AND THEN TO RETAIN ALL OF THE ADDED GRANT FUNDED UNIFORMED POSITIONS AFTER THE GRANT IS OVER IN THE FISCAL YEAR '29, WE WOULD NEED TO BE ABLE TO COVER THE 1.2 MILLION. SO JUST TO REITERATE, THE SAFER GRANT WILL COVER 75% OF THE COST IN YEAR 1, 75% OF THE COST OF THE PERSONNEL IN YEAR 2, AND THEN 35% OF THE COST IN YEAR 3. AND, AGAIN, SAFER OFTENTIMES, YOU KNOW, CHANGES THOSE PERCENTAGE, THAT'S WHAT THE -- THEY'RE AWARDING THIS YEAR. WHEN SAFER AWARDS IS GENERALLY BETWEEN AUGUST THE 18TH THROUGH SEPTEMBER THE 30TH. THERE'S NO TRUE TIME FRAME WHEN THEY TELL YOU, BUT YOU CAN EXPECT TO HEAR SOMETHING BACK IF YOU'VE BEEN AWARDED IT. SOMETIMES THEY AWARD IT IN DIFFERENT GROUPINGS, THEY MAY GO OUT AND AWARD SOME, AND THEN DO IT AGAIN, DO ANOTHER RELEASE AND AWARD SOME OTHER DEPARTMENTS. YOU JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU FALL OR WHEN THEY WILL RELEASE THAT TO YOU. SO IF WE GET AWARDED THE GRANT, WE WOULD HIRE THE 15 PERSONNEL THAT ARE CURRENTLY WE'RE GOING THROUGH A HIRING PROCESS RIGHT NOW, AND IF AWARDED THAT GRANT, WE WOULD HIRE THE 15 PERSONNEL AND THEY WOULD START THE ACADEMY IN JANUARY OF 2026. SO PART OF THIS AWARD, IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED BEFORE THAT THERE IS AN OPTION FOR A 2-CENT INCREASE THAT THE CITY HAS FOR TAXES, THAT THAT CAPACITY IS STILL THERE. WORKING WITH THE BUDGET OFFICE AND THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, THE INCREASE WOULD GENERATE ROUGHLY 3 MILLION INTO THE GENERAL REVENUE. THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE RECOMMENDED BY THE CITY MANAGER AND APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL, IN WHICH THAT ESTIMATED 3 MILLION, AND, AGAIN, TALKING WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND THE BUDGET OFFICE, IT WOULD BE PROPOSED THAT COULD POTENTIALLY GO 1.5 TO THE POLICE AND 1.5 TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO HELP US WITH ACHIEVING THAT FOUR-PERSON STAFFING. IF THE CITY MANAGER DOES NOT RECOMMEND OR COUNCIL DOES NOT APPROVE THAT, THEN WE WOULD NOT BE LOOKING TO PARTICIPATE IN THE GRANT TO ADD THOSE ADDITIONAL PEOPLE, JUST BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, THE FINANCIAL SITUATION TO BE ABLE TO COVER IT. SO IT WOULD NEED THAT IN ORDER FOR US TO COVER THE PEOPLE, BECAUSE THERE IS THE CASH MATCH THAT WE HAVE TO ACHIEVE, AND THEN, AGAIN, AT THE END OF THE THREE YEARS, YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO AHEAD AND ASSUME ALL OF THE COST OF THE PERSONNEL. THIS SLIDES GETS INTO THE NUMBER WITH IT BROKEN DOWN BAIKAL LEN DAR YEAR. IF I GO INTO IT, AGAIN, IT SHOWS THE COST FOR THE GRANT, THE 75% MATCH IN YEAR 1, WHICH THE AF -- [LAPSE IN AUDIO] COVERS 849,000, THE CITY WOULD NEED TO COVER 283,000, THAT'S THE 25%. IN YEAR 2, THE AFG GRANT WOULD COVER A MILLION DOLLARS, THE CITY WOULD COVER $335,000, AND THEN YEAR 3, AS YOU CAN SEE THERE. THAT'S THE BREAKDOWN FOR THE CALENDAR YEAR. THIS IS -- THE NEXT SLIDE IS A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED ONE. IT'S BROKEN DOWN BY THE FISCAL YEAR, JUST TO SHOW YOU THE BREAKDOWN WITH IT. IT'S THE SAME NUMBERS, BUT THAT'S HOW IT WOULD BREAK DOWN INTO THE FISCAL YEARS. WITH THAT, I WILL ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS. >> Mayor Guajardo: YOU DON'T SEEM TOO HAPPY ABOUT ENTERTAINING ANY QUESTIONS. >> WELL, IT'S -- YOU KNOW, THERE'S MONEY INVOLVED WITH IT. WE KNOW IT'S AN INVESTMENT FOR THE CITY, AND IT'S AN IMPORTANT INITIATIVE. I'VE SAID PRIORITY ONE FOR ME WHEN I GOT HERE TWO YEARS AGO WAS TO HELP THIS ORGANIZATION ACHIEVE THE FOUR-PERSON STAFFING GOAL. IT'S NOT ONLY SAFER FOR OUR CITIZENS, IT TRULY IS SAFER, MORE EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT FOR OUR FIREFIGHTERS THAT ARE OUT THERE AND OPERATING. AND, AGAIN, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME CONSENSUS STANDARD, SO IT'S -- BUT IT IS A BIG COMMITMENT FOR THE CITY, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT, AND WE REALIZE THAT. AND WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S CHALLENGES HERE, BUT THE SAFER GRANT HAS BEEN PUT IN PLACE FOR CITIES TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF AND HELP ACHIEVE THEIR STAFFING, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND IT'S A BIG ASK. >> Mayor Guajardo: WELL, CHIEF WADE, FIRST OF ALL FOR THE PRESENTATION AND FOR BRINGING THILS FORTH. YOU SAID IN 2013, WE RECEIVED THIS GRANT? >> YES. >> Mayor Guajardo: BUT USED IT FOR VACANCIES, RIGHT? >> WE USED IT TO FILL VACANCIES, WE DIDN'T FILL NEW POSITIONS. >> Mayor Guajardo: AND DO YOU HAVE NUMBERS AS TO WHAT IS MAYBE THE PERCENTAGE -- ARE WE THE OUTLIER, THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE FOUR-PERSON STAFFING? YOU KNOW, WHAT PERCENTAGE IS IT, YOU KNOW, THE MAJORITY OF FIRE -- >> YEAH, I DON'T KNOW THE PERCENTAGE NATIONWIDE. >> Mayor Guajardo: YEAH. >> THERE IS MANY DEPARTMENTS THROUGH THE EARLY 2000S AND UP TO TODAY THAT HAS ACHIEVED IT, SO HERE LOCALLY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TOP CITIES, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE TOP EIGHT CITIES, WHICH INCLUDES ARLINGTON, ARLINGTON DIDN'T HAVE FOUR-PERSON STAFFING, NEITHER DID EL PASO. THE OTHER TOP CITIES HAD IT. EL PASO AND ARLINGTON BOTH WERE AWARDED THE SAFER GRANT LAST YEAR AND MAYBE THE YEAR BEFORE TO FILL OUT THEIR COMPLEMENT AND HELP THEM ACHIEVE FOUR-PERSON STAFFING. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT NOW THE TOP EIGHT CITIES, WE WOULD BE THE OUTLIER OF THE METROPOLITAN CITIES THAT DOES NOT HAVE FOUR-PERSON STAFFING. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. AND THEN FOR CLARITY, IS THIS ITEM CONTINGENT ON THE 2-CENTS? >> Zanoni: YEAH, IT'S CONTINGENT ON MORE REVENUE. RIGHT NOW JUST FOR THE BASE BUDGET FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE JUST HAD A BUDGET MEETING WITH THE CHIEF, I THINK WE NEED 1.3 MILLION JUST FOR MANDATED INCREASES. WE HAVE TO DO THAT, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CUT SOMEWHERE ELSE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE A SEVEN TO $11 MILLION REVENUE TO EXPENDITURE SHORTFALL ALREADY. WE KNOW WE HAVE TO DO A MILLION MORE IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO NOT ONLY SOLVE THAT SHORTFALL BUT THEN CUT EVEN MORE TO FUND THE MANDATED INCREASES IN THIS BU BUDGET. SO THAT'S WHY CHIEF IS PRETTY SOBER UP THERE. WE WANT TO BE ABLE DO THIS, BUT WE -- THE OPTION TO DO IT, AND WE'RE PRESENTING IT TO COUNCIL AND WE'RE BEING UP FRONT WITH YOU, TO BE ABLE DO THIS WE WOULD NEED A PROPERTY TAX RATE INCREASE OR SOME MASSIVE REDUCTIONS, AND YOU'RE TALKING PROBABLY ELIMINATING, YOU KNOW, WHOLE DEPARTMENT SOMEWHERE. BECAUSE OF THE FINANCIAL COMMITMENT THAT'S NEEDED AS PART OF THE GRANT CASH MATCH, AND THEN MORE IMPORTANTLY, THOUGH, THE LONG-TERM LIABILITY OR THE LONG-TERM EXPENSE, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE -- IF WE DON'T HAVE THE UNDERLYING REVENUES COMING IN YEAR AFTER YEAR, BY THE TIME WE GET TO YEAR 4, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MASSIVE SHORTFALL TO BE ABLE TO FUND THOSE FIREFIGHTERS THAT ARE NOW ON THE PAYROLL. >> YEAH. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY, BUT, AGAIN -- >> Zanoni: SO THE ANSWER IS, YES, WE'RE PRESENTING THIS TODAY ON THE OPTION, CONTINGENT ON THE OPTION OF MORE PROPERTY TAX REVENUE WITH THE PROPERTY TAX RATE INCREASE. >> Mayor Guajardo: RIGHT, BUT THAT'S -- I MEAN, THAT'S -- WE CAN'T -- >> Zanoni: WE'RE JUST GIVING YOU THE FACTS. >> Mayor Guajardo: THE ITEM DOESN'T SAY YOU'RE GOING TO RAISE PROPERTY TAXES AND, THEREFORE, APPLY FOR A GLANT. >> Zanoni: HE'S GOING TO APPLY -- THE SEQUENCE IS THIS. IF THE COUNCIL APPROVES HIM APPLYING, WILL APPLY. I'M GOING TO PRESENT THE BUDGET THE WEEK OF THE 29TH OF JULY. IF THERE'S A PROPERTY TAX RATE INCREASE IN THERE, THEN WE'LL KEEP THE GRANT GOING. >> YEP. >> Mayor Guajardo: OH, I SEE. >> WE HAVE TO -- WE HAVE TO APPLY NOW. >> Zanoni: WE CAN WITHDRAW -- >> BECAUSE BY THE TIME YOU MAKE THE DECISIONS, AS THE CITY MANAGER'S SAYING, THE GRANT WILL BE CLOSED. SO IF WE DON'T APPLY RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE AN OPTION. WHERE IF -- IF Y'ALL DO NOT CHOOSE TO DO THAT, WE WOULD PULL OUT OF THE GRANT. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. >> Zanoni: WE DID SOMETHING SIMILAR LAST YEAR, WE APPLIED, WE KNEW WE MIGHT HAVE A SHORTFALL WHEN WE -- WHEN THE COUNCIL MADE THAT DECISION TO DOUBLE THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, WE SAID WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THIS, AND HE WITHDREW THE GRANT APPLICATION. I DON'T THINK YOU'RE LOOKED AT UNFAVORABLY. >> HUH-UH. >> Zanoni: FROM THE GRANTING AGENCY ON THE CITY, SO WE'RE PUTTING KIND OF OUR DUCKS IN A ROW, AND IF THINGS TURN OUT AS WE WOULD RECOMMEND, WE POTENTIALLY COULD -- IF WE EVEN GOT THE GRANT, IT'S COMPETITIVE. >> YES. >> Zanoni: SO WE MIGHT NOT EVEN GET THE GRANT. >> Mayor Guajardo: NO, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT THE WAY IT WAS WORDED IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE VOTING ON A 2-CENT PROPERTY TAX INCREASE ALONG WITH. >> Zanoni: RIGHT, NO. >> Mayor Guajardo: WITH THE GRANTED. THEY ARE TWO SEPARATE TH THINGS. YOU NEED TO SUBMIT THIS GRANT. YOUR DEADLINE IS WHAT? >> JULY THE THIRD. >> Mayor Guajardo: AND THEN WE HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT REVENUE. >> Zanoni: WE'RE GOING DO THAT AS PART OF THE BUDGET, BUT THIS IS THE LAST MEETING BEFORE -- WELL, I GUESS YOU'VE GOT NEXT WEEK, BEFORE JULY 3RD, SO WE'RE SAYING WE WANT TO APPLY. >> Mayor Guajardo: RIGHT. >> Zanoni: THERE'S SOME CAPACITY IN THE PROPERTY TAX RATE THAT WON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE VOTERS, SO WE SAID LET'S PUT THESE TWO TOGETHER AND PRESENT IT AND WE'LL PROGRESS FORWARD IN MAKING DECISIONS WITH THE COUNCIL INPUT ALONG THE WAY. >> WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BEING UP FRONT, IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN -- WE WANT TO BE UP FRONT, THAT WE'LL PULL OUT OF THE GRANT. AND, AGAIN, WE'D MUCH RATHER PULL OUT OF THE GRANTED INSTEAD OF JUST SITTING THERE WAITING AND THEN THEY AWARD IT AND THEN WE SAY WE DON'T WANT TO ACCEPT IT, WHICH DOESN'T LOOK VERY FAVORABLE AT THAT POINT. >> Mayor Guajardo: RIGHT. EXAM PAXSON? >> Paxson: THANK YOU, MAYOR, IF I'M LOOKING AT THE FIRST YEAR HERE, IT SAYS CITY GRANT WHICH IS 25%, IN YEAR 1, IT'S 566,605, AND THEN IT DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE AN INCREASE ON YEARS 2 AND 3. >> YES. THAT'S BECAUSE THERE'S SOME ONE-TIME COSTS, BECAUSE WHEN THEY'RE GETTING REGISTERED WITH DEL MAR COLLEGE, WE HAVE SOME TUITION, WE HAVE UNIFORMS, PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT, BOOKS, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS, SO THAT KIND OF GETS PAID UP FRONT AND THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T SEE THOSE ONE-TIME COSTS SHOW UP AGAIN IN THE YEAR 2 OR 3. >> Paxson: I GOT YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY 600,000 FOR YEAR 1? 330 FOR YEAR 2. >> YES. >> Paxson: AND THEN CLOSE TO A MILLION FOR YEAR 3? >> YES. >> Paxson: WELL, I -- I'M SURE, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS IN OUR BUDGET. AND I -- AND I SOBERLY RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS A LARGE ENTITY, THE CITY, AND THERE WILL BE DECISIONS THAT WILL HAVE TO BE MADE. YOU KNOW, EACH OF US HAVE THINGS THAT ARE PRIORITIES TO OUR DISTRICT AND WE'RE GOING TO LOOK FOR WAYS TO FIGHT, YOU KNOW, TO PROVIDE FOR THOSE. BUT I THINK I SPEAK WITH MY COLLEAGUES THAT SAY WHEN WE CAMPAIGNED, WE SAID WE WANT OUR CITY TO BE SAFE, PROTECTED, WE WANT TO INVEST IN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT IS NOT -- TO ME, THAT IS NOT EXCLUSIVELY STREETS AND WATER INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT THAT'S ALSO OUR SAFETY AND OUR MANPOWER PERSONNEL. TO ME, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF ERIC IS ABLE TO FIND $500,000 STREET, THAT GIVES US AT LEAST ANOTHER 300,000. I'M SAYING THAT TO BE JOKING, SO THAT'S AT LEAST HALF OF THAT COST FOR YEAR 1. >> [OFF MIC] >> Paxson: I SAY THAT TO SAY, I THINK THIS COUNCIL IS VERY FAVORABLE TO BEING CREATIVE, ASKING HARD QUESTIONS AND FINDING WAYS TO PRIORITIZE WHAT WE REALLY THINK IS IMPORTANT FOR THE PEOPLE. IT MAY NOT BE POPULAR, AND WE MAY ARGUE ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK WE WANT TO DO THAT. FOR ME, I DO THINK IT'S A WISE DECISION, IF THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT'S LIKELY BEFORE US TO PURSUE IT. AND FOR ME, I WOULD LIKE TO INVEST IN THIS DEPARTMENT BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU DO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY, AND I THINK THE COMMUNITY'S ONLY GOING TO GROW. WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE US IS THREE YEARS. IN THREE YEARS, HOW MANY OF OUR DEVELOPMENTS ARE GOING TO HAVE PHASE 1'S COMPLETED? HOW MANY OF THOSE PROPERTIES ARE GOING TO BE ON OUR TAX ROLLS? HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE GOING TO BE FILLED WITH NEW FAMILIES TO PROTECT AND SERVE? SO FOR ME, THIS IS LOOKING LONG SIGHTED. SO WITH THAT, I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF MONEY AND I KNOW IT IS A BIG COMMITMENT, BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S THE WISE THING TO DO. SO I KNOW THERE'S OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT I'D MOVE TO SUPPORT. >> THANK YOU. COUNCILMA N SCOTT? >> Scott: I GET A KICK OUT OF THE FACT THAT -- I'M GOING TO GET FIVE CITY FOLKS CALLING ME IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS TO BRIEF ME ON SPENDING $8 ON SOME COMPUTER EQUIPMENT THAT I CAN'T EVEN PRONOUNCE, AND THIS IS THE ONE I WISH I'D HAVE SEEN BEFORE BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER PREPARED. JUST -- IF YOU'D HAVE CALLED ME IN THE PAST, I REALLY WOULD HAVE ENJOYED THIS. I'M ALL IN BY THE WAYS, BUT I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. WHAT DOES SAFER STAND FOR? IS IT ON HERE? >> YES. IT'S THE STAFFING -- LET ME GO BACK TO THE VERY BEGINNING. >> Mayor Guajardo: FOR ADEQUATE. >> YEAH, STAFFING FOR ADEQUATE FIRE AND EMERGENCY RESPONSES. >> Scott: THAT WASN'T THE QUESTION. WHERE DOES IT COME FROM? IS IT FEDERAL GRANT MONEY? >> YES, IT'S FEDERAL GRANT MONEY THROUGH THE FEMA SYSTEM, SO THE ASSISTANCE FOR FIREFIGHTER GRANTS. >> Scott: AND WHAT IS AFG COVER? >> ASSISTANCE FOR FIREFIGHTER GRANTS. IT'S KIND OF ALL LABELED UNDER THAT. THE AFG GRANT ALSO HAS OTHER THINGS THAT YOU CAN APPLY FOR FOR FACILITIES, BUT THE SAFER GRANT GOES STRAIGHT TO -- YOU APPLY THAT TO PERSONNEL. >> Scott: GOT IT. AND THE SAFER GRANT IS ALSO A FEMA GRANT? JUST DIDN'T KNOW, INTERESTING. >> YES. >> Scott: YOU SAY WE HAVE A 2-CENT CAPACITY, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WE HAVE -- THERE'S AN OPTION FOR. >> Zanoni: YEAH, IN THE STATE REGULATED PROPERTY TAX LAW, THERE'S -- BEFORE YOU HAVE TO GO OUT TO THE VOTERS, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR JURISDICTION TO INCREASE THEIR TAX RATE, AND SO WE HAVE -- WE HAVE THAT BASED ON LAST YEAR'S ESTIMATES AND THIS YEAR'S PRELIMINARY VALUES. >> Scott: OKAY. SAZ THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF CAPACITY. WE COULD INCREASE THE TAX RATE AROUND 2-CENTS BEFORE YOU WOULD TRIGGER THE VOTER APPROVED RATE THAT WOULD BE NEEDED. >> Scott: IS THIS POSSIBLE TO DO AS A PUBLIC SAFETY REFERENDUM? COULD WE PUT THIS BEFORE THE VOTERS TO -- >> Zanoni: YOU COULD. >> Scott: TO VOTE YES OR NO FOR A PUBLIC SAFETY REFERENDUM? >> Zanoni: I THINK YOU COULD. WE WON'T GET THE MONIES UNTIL AFTER THE VOTER'S APPROVED IT, AND IT MAY MISS THE TAXATION TIMELINE FOR THIS BUDGET, BUT YOU COULD. >> Scott: I'D BE INTERESTED IN -- >> Zanoni: I DON'T KNOW IF HEATHER'S HERE, BUT WE'LL SEE HOW THAT COULD WORK. >> Scott: AND THEN -- AND SO THE FIRST YEAR TOTAL COST TO THE CITY WOULD BE WHAT AGAIN? >> THE TOTAL COST FOR THE FIRST YEAR, IF YOU LOOK AT CALENDAR YEAR, IT'S 566,000. >> Scott: GOT IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND THE SECOND YEAR, IT'S 335. >> 335, YES, SIR. >> Scott: THIRD YEAR -- AND THEN WHEN THIS ALL GOES AWAY, WHEN THE GRANTS GO AWAY, OUR ANNUAL COST IS 1.2? >> YEAH, WELL, IN THAT -- TO COVER THAT LAST. >> Scott: NINE MONTHS. >> IT'S GOING TO BE THE 1.2 FOR THE NINE MONTHS. >> Scott: WHAT WOULD THAT BUDGET -- >> I THINK WHAT THAT BUDGET -- IT'S 2 MILLION, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? ROUGHLY, CLOSE TO 2 MILLION. >> Scott: YOU DIDN'T JUST LOOK AT HOW MUCH THAT 2-CENT INCREASE GOES, THAT'S THE NUMBER WE NEED. YOU DIDN'T JUST MAKE THAT UP, DID YOU? IT'S LIKE WE WANT IT ALL. THERE'S 6-CENTS, WE'LL TAKE IT. SO 2 MILLION. SO IN THE OUTYEARS, IT'S 2 MILLION A YEAR NEEDED TO MAKE YOUR STAFFING GOALS? AND THEN YOU'RE TELLING ME SOMEWHERE IN HERE THAT THE 2-CENT INCREASE WOULD GENERATE 3 MILLION TO THE GENERAL FUND? >> Zanoni: THAT'S CORRECT, COUNCILMAN UH-HUH. AND WE KNOW THAT CHEEM'S GONE AT THIS POINT, BUT HE HAS A STAFFING REQUEST FOR 10 ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS TO KEEP THAT CRIME RATE GOING DOWN THAT HE JUST DEMONSTRATED TODAY THAT ADDING OFFICERS IS A GOOD RESULT OF ADDING OFFICERS. >> Scott: YEAH. >> Zanoni: SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY CAPACITY UNLESS WE ELIMINATE MASSIVE FUNCTIONS. >> Scott: WHAT WOULD 10 OFFICERS COST. >> Zanoni: $10 MILLION. >> Scott: SO IT WOULD GENERATE 3 MILLION A YEAR OF WHICH TWO GENERALLY SPEAKING WOULD HELP YOU MAKE YOUR FOUR-MAN CREWS AND ONE A YEAR WOULD HELP THE POLICE HIRE 10 ADDITIONAL OFFICERS? >> Zanoni: RIGHT. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BE CREATIVE. >> Scott: NO, I TOTALLY GET IT. I'M VERY INTERESTED IN THAT CONVERSATION. >> Zanoni: OKAY. >> Scott: THANK YOU, MAYOR. COUNCILMA N HERNANDEZ? >> Hernandez: OKAY. I THINK WE ALSO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE WE KIND OF OVERSPENT, OR DID -- WHAT IS IT, FUND BALANCE ON THE CRIME CONTROL DISTRICT FOR POLICE OFFICERS, RIGHT? SO WE HAD TO MOVE THOSE OVER INTO THE GENERAL FUND. HOW MANY IS THAT? >> Zanoni: YEAH, WE DIDN'T OVERSPEND, BUT WE HAD A STRATEGY TO DRAW DOWN THE FUND BALANCE WITH THE PLAN TO MIGRATE THOSE OVER A TWO-YEAR PERIOD TO THE GENERAL FUND. >> Hernandez: OKAY. WELL, YOU CAN'T AFFORD THEM IN THE CRIME CONTROL DISTRICT ANYMORE. HOW MANY NEED TO MIGRATE OVER? >> Zanoni: DO YOU GUYS HAVE THE NUMBER? 15. >> Hernandez: SO ABOUT 1.5 MILLION HAVE TO MIGRATE OVER IN ADDITION TO ANOTHER 10 OFFICERS FOR ANOTHER MILLION ON TOP OF THAT. >> Zanoni: RIGHT. >> Hernandez: SO THAT ALL HAS TO COME INTO -- AND HOW MUCH IS 1 CENT ON PROPERTY TAXES? >> Zanoni: ONE SENT'S ABOUT 1.5 MILLION. >> Hernandez: SO YOU NEED MORE THAN 2-CENTS. >> Zanoni: WE DO, BUT THAT MIGRATION WILL TAKE PLACE NOT NEXT FISCAL YEAR, BUT THE TWO FISCAL YEARS AFTER THAT. SO WE'LL MONITOR THE -- >> Hernandez: I DON'T RECALL HAVING THE FUND BALANCE TO PAY FOR IT BEYOND THIS YEAR. >> Zanoni: WE DO. AND WE JUST REVIEWED IT, SO I'M TELLING YOU IT WILL BE '27 AND '28 WHEN WE MIGRATE THEM OVER. WE JUST REVIEWED IT. I CAN SHOW THAT TO YOU IF YOU'D LIKE TODAY. >> Hernandez: SO WHEN THIS FIRST CAME UP, WE WERE TALKING HERE, AND THIS -- WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IT -- THE ADDITIONAL 2-CENTS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE STREETS AND PUTTING ON A REFERENDUM. >> Zanoni: THERE WAS 2-CENTS THAT WAS STRANDED -- >> Hernandez: RIGHT. I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO GO TO THE VOTER, NOT, YOU KNOW -- OBVIOUSLY, WE'D LIKE TO SUPPORT THIS, BUT I THINK THIS NEEDS TO GO TO THE VOTER AS A REFERENDUM, AND MAYBE DEDICATE TO PUBLIC SAFETY. >> Zanoni: WE WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. >> Hernandez: BUT JUST LIKE WE DEDICATE THE 4-CENTS TO STREETS. >> Zanoni: RIGHT. >> Hernandez: CAN'T BE USED FOR ANYTHING ELSE. >> Zanoni: YEP. >> Hernandez: IT HAS TO BE DEDICATED TO THAT, SO IT DOESN'T GET MOVED OVER BUDGETWISE SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD. >> Zanoni: RIGHT. >> Hernandez: I WOULD SUPPORT IT AS A REF FEN DUMB, BUT I DON'T THINK IT IS IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO VOTE FOR IT OURSELVES WITHOUT GETTING THE TAXPAYERS INPUT. >> Zanoni: THAT'S GOOD INPUT. WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN TO LOOK AT THIS OPTION. >> Hernandez: THANK YOU. COUNCILMA N CANTU? >> Cantu: I EACH ALL IN FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. I'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS, THOUGH. ADDITIONAL, YOU'LL HIRE 15 PERSONNEL CORRECT? >> YES, SIR. >> Cantu: AND THERE WILL BE FIREFIGHTERS AND MEDICS, RIGHT? THEY GO TO SCHOOL FOR BOTH? >> YES. >> Cantu: HOW MUCH DO WE PAY FOR THAT, FOR THE COLLEGE, DO YOU KNOW OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD? >> ABOUT 18,000 PER CADET. YEAH, IT'S UNIFORMS, THEM BEING ENROLLED IN IT, TUITION AND ALL OF THAT. >> Cantu: HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE. >> 17 MONTHS. >> Cantu: 17 MONTHS? >> YES, SIR. >> Cantu: THERE'S A SCHOOL HERE IN TOWN THAT DO THE SAME THING WITH THE COLLEGE DOES, CORRECT? DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT SCHOOL? IT'S ON SARATOGA, I BELIEVE. >> YES, SIR. >> Cantu: MY UNDERSTANDING IT TAKES LIKE A YEAR WITH THEM. IS THAT TRUE? >> POSSIBLY. BEFORE I GOT HERE, THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT MADE WITH DEL MAR. I DON'T KNOW ALL OF THEIR -- SO WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH DEL MAR. >> Cantu: YEAH. >> I DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING THAT THE -- THAT TRAINING PLACE WOULD DO AS WE'RE UP HOLDING AND HAVE A GOOD PARTNERSHIP WITH DEL MAR, SO... >> Cantu: GOT IT. I WAS JUST WONDERING, I'VE PASSED BY THERE A FEW TIMES. IT LOOKS PRETTY IMPRESSIVE. VERY NICE. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILWO MAN VAUGHN? >> Vaughn: WELL, PUBLIC SAFETY IS A HIGH PRIORITY FOR ME, SO I'M FOR GIVING POLICE AND FIRE. I DO LIKE THE REFERENDUM IDEA AND I THINK YOU SHOULD GO FOR THE GRANT BECAUSE THAT IS A GREAT DEAL, IF YOU CAN GET THAT GRANT. AND THEN I THINK WE JUST NEED TO COMMIT TO TRY AND FIND THE MONEY TO COVER YOU IF WE CAN, BECAUSE THAT MEANS CUTTING SOMEWHERE, BUT IF WE'RE ADAMANT ABOUT WANTING TO DO IT, I'M SURE WE CAN FIND THOSE FUNDS SOMEWHERE, AND HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC USUALLY -- I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE THEM NOT SUPPORTING PUBLIC SAFETY. I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN THAT IN THIS CITY. SO I FEEL REALLY GOOD ABOUT THAT. I THINK THAT IS A GREAT OPTION. I HOPE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, MR. ZANONI. >> Zanoni: WE'RE GOING TO LOOK INTO IT, COUNCILWOMAN. >> THANK YOU. AND YOU'RE CORRECT, THIS IS -- THIS COMMUNITY SUPPORTS PUBLIC SAFETY BETTER THAN ALL OVER THE COUNTRY THAT I'VE SEEN, AND WE'RE GRATEFUL TO SERVE HERE. YEP. ABSOLUTELY. COUNCILMA N BARRERA? >> Barrera: HERE -- WELL, NUMBER ONE, I SUPPORT THIS. AND THEN NUMBER TWO, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD ENTERTAIN GOING AND -- A REFERENDUM ON A CONSTITUTIONAL DISAI DAVE W -- WE'VE GONE THROUGH THAT BEFORE. >> Zanoni: THE CONSTITUTIONAL ELECTION YEAR IS A TOUGH ONE. >> Barrera: AS I'VE ALWAYS SAID, A YEAR LATER THEY'RE GOING TO VOTE FOR THE COUNCIL THAT SUPPORTED IT. THAT WILL BE THEIR REFERENDUM IF THEY DON'T LIKE THAT WE'RE RAISING REVENUE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU MY POINT OF VIEW. >> Zanoni: GREAT. THANK YOU. COUNCILMA N HERNANDEZ? >> Hernandez: YEAH. SORRY, I WANTED TO -- AND THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE REFLECTIVE WHEN RYAN COMES UP AND SPEAKS, YOU KNOW, HOUSE BILL 19 DIDN'T COME OUT OF THE HOUSE, BUT IT WOULD HAVE LIMITED US IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH WE CAN BORROW VERSUS THAT, BUT IT COULD AFFECT HOUR WE -- YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TO PAY FOR OUR DEBT SERVICE. I DON'T KNOW ALL THE IMPACTS OF IT, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS CHANGES THAT CAN HAPPEN WITH THE STATE, RIGHT, ON HOW WE, YOU KNOW, MASSAGE THE BUDGET. SO HAVING A REFERENDUM WHERE PEOPLE VOTE FOR IT, IT'S MUCH MORE DIFFICULT FOR THE STATE TO COME AND SAY, WELL, DON'T DO IT BECAUSE THE VOTERS TOLD US TO DO IT, RIGHT? SO I -- I DISAGREE WITH COUNCILMAN BARRERA THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THE VOTERS SHOULD LOOK AT AND SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THAT THEY WOULD WANT THIS OR NOT. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. CHIEF WADE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE APPRECIATE YOU AND ALL THE WORK THAT -- >> [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Guajardo: YES. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. >> Campos: JUST SO I CAN GO ON RECORD, I DO AGREE WITH THE REFERENDUM AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA AND I THINK IT -- THE PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A SAY, AND I THINK MOST OF THE -- YOU KNOW, PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WOULD SUPPORT THIS, SO I'M JUST SAYING. I THINK IT'S A GOOD SAFE BET. >> THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. OKAY. CHIEF WADE, THANK YOU. >> Zanoni: EXCUSE ME, MAYOR. THIS IS A RESOLUTION FOR SUPPORT RIGHT? >> Mayor Guajardo: RIGHT. >> Zanoni: AND THEN JUST ONE OTHER THING, WE MAY HAVE SAID IT BEFORE, BUT IF WE FALL BEHIND IN ADDING ADDITIONAL OFFICERS, EITHER FIREFIGHTERS OR POLICE OFFICERS, IT GETS TOUGHER EVERY YEAR THAT GOES BY TO GET CAUGHT UP, SO PART OF THE STRATEGY IS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE UP FRONT WITH THE COUNCIL TO SAY IF WE DON'T KEEP ADDING, WE'RE GOING TO BE -- WE'RE GOING TO GET OURSELVES IN TROUBLE. >> Mayor Guajardo: LIKE OUR STREETS. >> Zanoni: YES. >> Mayor Guajardo: EVEN WORSE. >> Zanoni: GOOD EXAMPLE. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND I'LL SECOND THAT. SO NOW WE HAVE A SECOND. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 30? OKAY. THERE BEING NO ONE, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. IS THERE -- >> [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Guajardo: NO, THIS IS JUST A -- THIS IS FOR SUBMISSION OF THE GRANT. YEAH. SO PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. OKAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. OUR NEXT ITEM IS ITEM 31, THAT IS A MOTION AUTHORIZING EXECUTION OF AMENDMENT NUMBER 1 TO THE COOPERATIVE SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH CARAHSOFT TECHNOLOGY CORPORATION. >> Paxson: MAKE A MOTION TOP A PROVE. >> Mayor Guajardo: SECOND. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Guajardo: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. YOU WANT TO JUST GIVE US A QUICK DESCRIPTION. WELL, AND LET ME SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT, BECAUSE I BROUGHT IT FORTH LAST BUDGET, SO THIS IS VERY -- I NOTICED SAN ANTONIO HAS THIS WONDERFUL TEXT MESSAGING SYSTEM WITH SO MUCH INFORMATION THAT THEY REACH OUT TO THEIR CONSTITUENTS WITH, BUT WHAT BROUGHT THIS TO MY ATTENTION WAS DURING BUDGET TIME, I SAID TO PETER, YOU KNOW, TIME'S CHANGE. TIMES EVOLVE, AND GO TO THE BUDGET COMMUNITY MEETINGS, WE DIDN'T GET GOOD ATTENDANCE. AND SO I FIGURED, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY NEED TO BE REACHING OUT TO PEOPLE. IN WHAT WAY? WELL, TEXT MESSAGES, RIGHT? THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO REALLY ENGAGE PEOPLE. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT REALLY, IS TO BE ABLE TO PULL MORE PEOPLE IN, TO SAY, TAKE THE SURVEY OR KNOW ABOUT THIS THAT'S GOING ON OR THAT THAT'S GOING ON. SO MANY THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE, SO I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. YOU HAVE A -- YES, MA'AM? >> Paxson: JUST REAL QUICK. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, I WAS ABLE TO JOIN A CALL THIS WEEK AND WITH YOUR DESCRIPTION, I'M A HUGE SUPPORTER OF BEING EFFICIENT AND STREAMLINING AND BEING MORE UP TO DATE WITH OUR PROCESSES BECAUSE IT'S JUST -- IT'S BETTER FOR US, BUT YOU POINTED OUT THAT THIS WAS ALSO A COST SAVING, SO. >> Mayor Guajardo: RIGHT. >> Paxson: FOR ME, THAT MADE THIS EVEN THAT MUCH MORE EASY TO SUPPORT. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION. >> THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ? >> Hernandez: I KNOW WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS, AND I HAD EXPRESSED SOME CONCERNS ON SOME OF THE FEATURES ON THIS THAT ARE NOT SCIENTIFICALLY DONE, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, SURVEYS THAT UNLESS YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, A DISINTERESTED THIRD PARTY, THOSE CAN BE, YOU KNOW, MANIPULATED TO ELICIT A RESPONSE. I HAVE SOME ISSUE/CONCERNS WITH THAT. I DON'T WANT US TO BE IN THE PROPAGANDA BUSINESS, AND THAT CAN BE CONSTRUED THAT WAY. SO I ASK THAT YOU BE CAREFUL WITH THAT, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO SURVEYS, HAVE A SCIENTIFIC METHOD TO DO IT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO CONTRACT WITH THE UNIVERSITY OR THIRD-PARTY, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ELICIT QUESTIONS TO GET A RESPONSE THAT YOU WANT. FOR EXAMPLE, WITH THE BUDGET, AND I GAVE YOU THIS EXAMPLE: WOULD YOU LIKE US TO SPEND MONEY ON THIS? WOULD YOU LIKE US TO SPEND MONEY ON THAT? WOULD YOU LIKE US TO SPEND... AND THEN YOU GET A SURVEY RESULT SAYING, THE CITIZENS WANT YOU TO SPEND ALL THIS MONEY. WHEN YOU NEVER ASKED THE QUESTION, DO YOU WANT US TO CUT TAXES? DO YOU WANT US TO REDUCE COST? DO YOU WANT US TO DO THIS, THAT WOULD GIVE YOU THE OPPOSITE. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SOME ASPECT OF TRUE DATA COLLECTION THAT IS NOT JUST ANOTHER FORM OF PROPAGANDA. >> YES, SIR. I -- THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND I COMPLETELY AGREE. THERE'S A SCIENCE TO SURVEYS AND DOING THEM WELL. I'VE DONE THEM FOR MANY YEARS. I THINK SOMETIMES YOU CAN DO SOMETHING VERY SIMPLE. FOR A TREND ANALYSIS, SOMETIMES, THOUGH, WITH A BIGGER SURVEY, SOMETHING REALLY SOPHISTICATED, IT MIGHT BE NECESSARY TO GET SOME OUTSIDE HELP MAKING SURE THAT YOU DEVELOP A REALLY GOOD SURVEY INSTRUMENT TO PROCEED WITH. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR FEEDBACK. >> Hernandez: RIGHT. I APPRECIATE THIS BECAUSE IT DOES REDUCE OUR COST CONSIDERABLY, SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS, BUT I DO HAVE CONCERNS. >> THANK YOU. >> Hernandez: THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. THE MOTION CARRIES. ITEM NUMBER 32 IS AN ORDINANCE APPOINTING GABRIEL RODRIGUEZ AS DIVISION 1 JUDGE, JASON SUPPLEE AS DIVISION 2 JUDGE, DAVID WALSH AS DIVISION 3 JUDGE, WILLIAM GREGORY BILL BONILLA AS DIVISION 4 JUDGE AND GEORGE PICHA AS DIVISION 5 OF THE MUNICIPAL COURT, APPOINTING CHRISTOPHER ESMED MATT AS PART-TIME JUDGE NUMBER 1, DOUGLAS K. DEFRATUS AS PART-TIME JUDGE NUMBER 2, WILLIAM HOLT FEEMSTER AS PART-TIME JUDGE NUMBER 3, MARA SCHECTER AS PART-TIME JUDGE NUMBER 4, MARIO OLIVAREZ AS PART-TIME JUDGE NUMBER 5 ARNOLD MCADAMS AS PART-TIME JUDGE NUMBER SIX AND ROBERT REYNA AS PART-TIME JUDGE NUMBER SEVEN OF THE MEUPS KOWRMD. >> Roy: I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> Mayor Guajardo: BEHAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 32. OKAY, THERE BEING NO ONE, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. OKAY. REBECCA, DO WE HAVE THE RESULTS? OH, DO YOU HAVE THEM? OKAY. THERE WE GO. OKAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. ITEM NUMBER 33 IS A DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON COUNCIL POLICY REGARDING THE SCHEDULING OF COUNCIL MEETINGS AS REQUESTED BY COUNCILMEMBER MEMBERS ERIC CANTU, CAROLYN VAUGHN AND GIL HERNANDEZ. >> I VOTE NO. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. WHO'S GOING TO SPEAK ON THIS, GUYS? COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ? BY THE >> Hernandez: SO WE'RE AT 6:24 AND UNFORTUNATELY IT ALWAYS SEEMS THE COUNCIL ITEMS ALWAYS GET PUT AT THE BACK. THANK YOU, MR. ZANONI, ON THAT ONE. >> Zanoni: WE ALWAYS PUT THEM -- >> Hernandez: YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. >> Zanoni: NOTHING DIFFERENT ON THIS ONE. >> Hernandez: COULD HAVE BEEN UP FRONT. I'M JUST COMPLAINING. ON THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY WE WENT THREE WEEKS WITHOUT A COUNCIL MEETING. AND SO I THINK WE NEED BETTER -- IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, WE NEED BETTER SCHEDULING. >> Zanoni: YEAH, WE HAD A COUNCIL MEETING LAST WEEK. >> [OFF MIC] >> Zanoni: I UNDERSTAND YOU. >> Hernandez: SO THE REASON WE HAD THESE LAST TWO MEETINGS ARE PRETTY LONG AND EVEN IF WE DIDN'T HAVE SOME OF THE COUNCIL -- BECAUSE YOU MOVED STUFF OFF OF THE MEETING. SO WE HAD A LONG MEETING BECAUSE WE HAD THIS THREE-WEEK GAP. IF YOU HAVE MORE CONSISTENT SCHEDULING OF THIS, I THINK WE WOULD BE BETTER OFF. THIS WAS MEANT TO BE FOR THE NEXT CYCLE, NOT RIGHT AWAY. AND SO, YOU KNOW, GIVE SOME TIME TO ADJUST FOR IT. I THINK WE CAN HAVE MORE PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSIONS IN MEETINGS IF WE HAVE AN EVERY OTHER WEEK. BUT THAT IS MY OPINION. I SAID I BROUGHT IT FORWARD FOR US TO LOOK AT FOR THE NEXT SCHEDULING FOR THE NEXT YEAR'S CALENDAR. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN. >> Vaughn: I KNOW WHY HE BROUGHT IT FORWARD. HE WAS TRYING TO MAKE IT MORE PRODUCTIVE. THAT LAST MEETING WAS SO LONG I THINK IT MADE US THINK A LITTLE BIT HERE. SORRY GIL. I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR THE STAFF, I DO. BECAUSE IT TAKES SO MUCH TIME EVERY WEEK TO PREPARE FOR A COUNCIL MEETING. WE DID GO THREE WEEKS WITHOUT ONE AND I GUESS YOU CAN EXPECT TO HAVE A LONG MEETING WHEN YOU DO THAT. AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. I REALLY DON'T. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE I'M GOING TO GO ON THIS. I'M GOING TO LOOK TO THE REST OF YOU GUYS. I'M A LITTLE CONFLICTED RIGHT NOW. I DON'T MIND DOING ALL THESE MEETINGS. IF YOU HAD FOUR, I WOULD BE FINE. THEN YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE FACT IF YOU HAD FIVE WEEKS IN THE MONTH YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THREE. IT'S SOMETHING I THINK COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ WANTED US TO LOOK AT AND -- >> Mayor Guajardo: TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. >> Vaughn: YEAH, CONSIDERATION. >> Zanoni: COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ VOLUNTEERED THAT IT WOULDN'T BE UNTIL CALENDAR YEAR '26. ANNUALLY, JUST TO REMIND THE COUNCIL, YOU ALL APPROVE THIS SCHEDULE. I DON'T SET IT. THE CITY SECRETARY DEVELOPS A PROPOSAL AND WE REVIEW IT WITH HER AND THEN THE COUNCIL APPROVES IT. WE COULD REVISIT THIS THEN WHEN WE BRING IT IN JANUARY, REBECCA? >> City Secretary: NOVEMBER FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR. >> Zanoni: WE COULD LOOK AT IT IN NOVEMBER AGAIN. YOU DON'T HAVE TO COMMIT TO IT TODAY. AND WE COULD DEVELOP SOME SCENARIOS AND PRESENT THEM IN NOVEMBER. YOU COULD TRY A COUPLE, IF YOU WANTED TO, MAYBE IN THE LIGHTER PART OF THE YEAR WHEN THE BUDGET IS APPROVED, WE'RE GETTING THINGS ORGANIZED AND NOT A LOT OF MATERIAL COMES TO COUNCIL. WE COULD LOOK AT WITH REBECCA MAYBE SOMETHING IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH IT'S ONE EVERY OTHER WEEK. THEN WHEN BUSINESS REALLY PICKS UP, MAYBE GO BACK TO THREE TIMES A MONTH. WE CAN DEVELOP SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND BRING IT IN NOVEMBER AND YOU'LL ACTUALLY SEE IT, INSTEAD OF HAVING A HYPOTHETICAL COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN CANTU. >> Cantu: I JUST WANT TO SAY NEXT TIME DON'T GIVE US THREE WEEKS OFF BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS. IT SOUNDED GOOD AT THE MOMENT BUT THE LAST MEETING WAS PRETTY LONG GIL. I'M SORRY. I WON'T BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS RIGHT NOW. IT'S ALREADY 6:30 AND MY LITTLE GIRL BELLA, MY FOUR-LEGGED DOG IS WAITING FOR ME. THAT'S WHERE I'M AT RIGHT NOW. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL TAKE A VOTE ON THIS OR NOT. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON. >> Paxson: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I SEE BOTH SIDES OF THE ARGUMENT. I THINK I OFTEN LAND IN THE MEDIATOR'S POSITION. BUT FOR MYSELF, THREE THINGS. ONE, I CAN'T HELP BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST HOW I THINK. I LIKE TO THINK VERY PLANNED, STRATEGIC, AND AHEAD OF TIME. I THINK IF WE'RE PLANNING SOMETHING DAY OF THEN WE'RE LATE. TO ME, I THINK IT'S LESS A DISCUSSION OF SHOULD WE MOVE TO REGULAR ROTATING EVERY OTHER WEEK COUNCIL MEETINGS AND MORE THE DISCUSSION OF DO WE NEED A COUNCIL MEETING EVERY WEEK OR NOT, BASED ON BUSINESS. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU GUYS BUT I WORKED REALLY HARD AND ASKED A LOT OF PEOPLE TO SUPPORT MY CAMPAIGN TO GET HERE BECAUSE I ADAMANTLY WANTED TO ENGAGE IN BUSINESS. SO, TO ME, BEING HERE IS MY CONNECTION TO THE PEOPLE. PEOPLE GET TO COME UP AND HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. THEY GET TO TALK. WE GET TO ASSIST THE DEPARTMENT. WE GET TO WORK IN THE CAPACITY THAT WE CAMPAIGNED FOR. AND I KNOW IT'S NOT POPULAR, MAYBE, BUT I'M GIVING MY TWO CENTS. I THINK THIS IS A HUGE HONOR TO REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY. AND I KNOW THAT YOU'RE NOT DISCUSSING THINGS ON TERMS OF WHETHER OR NOT IT'S HONORABLE. YOU'RE THINKING IN EFFICIENCY. TO ME, I WOULD COUNTER IF THE SCHEDULING BODY DEEMS THAT WE DON'T NEED TO HOLD A BUSINESS MEETING ON A WEEK, THEN MAYBE WE DON'T. MAYBE IT'S NOT SO MUCH DO WE HAVE TO HAVE A MEETING ON DAY ONE OR HAVE TO HAVE A MEETING ON DAY 15. IT'S DO WE NEED THE MEETING. THAT'S HOW I WOULD SEE IT. SO THAT'S MY ONE CENT. MY OTHER STRATEGY, BEING ABLE TO STACK THE MEETING APPROPRIATELY, DO WE NEED BUSINESS OR NOT. THAT'S WHAT DICTATES THE MEETING. THE MORE THE MERRIER, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO WORK WITH STAFF AND WORK WITH THE PEOPLE. YEAH, SO AND CONTINUING TO KICK IT DOWN, IT'S FINE IF WE WANT TO LOOK AT IT LATER, IT'S FINE. BUT -- WELL, I GUESS IT WAS THREE CENTS. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN SCOTT. >> Scott: I'M OKAY WITH THE THREE MEETINGS A MONTH. I THINK WE HAVE MORE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. THE MORE TIMES WE MEET, THE MORE PUBLIC COMMENT WE MIGHT HEAR. I KNEW WHAT I WAS GETTING INTO, I THINK. IT'S 6:40 AND WE HAVE SEVERAL MORE AGENDA ITEMS. I KNOW OUR GOOD FRIENDS FROM AUSTIN WERE COMING DOWN TO SHARE THEIR BRILLIANCE. I JUST THINK WHAT REALLY MOST CONCERNS ME IS YOU GET INTO 6:30 AND, YOU KNOW, 8:30 AND YOU'RE MAKING MULTIMILLION DOLLAR DECISIONS AFTER BEING INVOLVED 10 TO 12 HOURS. WE ALL BOUGHT INTO THAT BUT IF WE COULD SPREAD THAT OUT, I THINK WE WOULD PROBABLY MAKE BETTER DECISIONS. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. COUNCILMAN BARRERA. >> Barrera: YEAH, I WANT TO ECHO THOSE COMMENTS AS WELL. I THINK, YOU KNOW, I'M ALL FOR STARTING AT 8:30 IN THE MORNING, IF THAT'S THE CASE. WHATEVER THE SITUATION IS. BUT I THINK THAT WE CREATE EFFICIENCY BY DOING OUR HOMEWORK AND MEETING WITH STAFF. SINCE WE HAVE THE ELECTRONIC ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO DO SO, TO WEBEX, YOU KNOW, THERE'S RESOURCES OF WHICH WE HAVE. SOME OF THE MEETINGS I HAVE HAD WITH STAFF HAVE LASTED 10 OR 15 MINUTES AND WE DO THEM BY WEBEX, JUST TO GET A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING. RATHER THAN SPENDING THE TIME HERE AND TAKING UP THE OTHER OF MY OTHER EIGHT COLLEAGUES' TIME AS WELL AS ALL THE STAFF. I DO BELIEVE THAT WE'RE FRESHER AND I THINK THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY. I TALKED TO SOMEBODY ON FRIDAY THAT WATCHES ALL THE COUNCIL MEETINGS. THEY TORTURE THEMSELVES AND THEY SAID I DROVE TO HOUSTON AND HAD TO COME BACK THE FOLLOWING DAY AND I LITERALLY DIDN'T FINISH IT DRIVING TO HOUSTON AND BACK. YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER THING TOO THAT BY HAVING MORE MEETINGS THEN WE'RE MORE ATTENTIVE TO THE PUBLIC ON ITEMS THAT PERTAINS TO THEM. AND SO THAT WAY THEY DON'T HAVE TO BELABOR GOING ON TO A 10, 12-HOUR MEETING. THAT WAY IT'S MUCH MORE ACCESSIBLE TO THEM AND WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE WAITING AROUND. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON. >> Paxson: THANK YOU, MAYOR. REAL QUICK, TO WHAT I SAID, TO ADD ON, I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO THINK THAT I WAS ADVOCATING, OH, THERE'S NO BUSINESS SO LET'S NOT MEET. THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEAN. I JUST MEAN BE ORGANIZED WITH OUR PLAN. THAT'S ALL I MEANT. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ. >> Hernandez: OKAY. I HAVE NEVER COMPLAINED ABOUT BEING HERE LATE. EVER. I DON'T MIND. I ENJOY THE ENGAGEMENT. I DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM BEING HERE UNTIL 9:40 LAST NIGHT. I WOULD HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST NIGHT BUT PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT TO GO HOME. I MEAN, LAST TUESDAY NIGHT. THIS IS MORE FOR MORE PRODUCTIVITY OF THE STAFF. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I'VE TALKED TO STAFF MEMBERS AT 7:00, 8:00 AT NIGHT, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH DREW, HIM DRIVING HOME AT 9:00 P.M. TO TRY AND GET STUFF READY FOR THE COUNCIL MEETING THE FOLLOWING DAY OR THAT -- OR LIKE A FRIDAY EVENING. I UNDERSTAND HOW THIS BEATS UP OUR STAFF IN A BIG WAY WHEN THEY HAVE TO DO A COUNCIL MEETING EVERY WEEK. AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE NOT AS PREPARED AS I'D LIKE THEM TO BE. SO TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, KILLING OUR STAFF AND THEN ALSO HAVING PRODUCTIVE MEETINGS WHEN WE CAN HAVE THAT SPACED OUT SO WHEN WE HAVE THOSE MEETINGS WITH STAFF, WE'RE NOT TALKING TO THEM AT 7:00 P.M. OR 8:00 P.M. AT NIGHT. THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH SPACE AND TIME FOR US TO COMMUNICATE WITH THEM AT REGULAR HOURS SO WE'RE NOT KILLING THEM. AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I TOLD PETER TO GO HOME. RIGHT? YOU NEED TO GO HOME. SO LET'S NOT JUST LOOK AT THIS AS OURSELVES BEING THE ISSUE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALSO NOT, YOU KNOW, BEATING UP OUR STAFF. I LOOK AT OUR CITY SECRETARIES TOO. THEY HAVE TO BE HERE TOO. IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT US. IT'S NOT JUST -- YOU KNOW, I'M NOT DOING THIS FOR MYSELF. I WOULD BE HERE EVERY WEEK. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. I THOROUGHLY ENJOY THE ENGAGEMENT WITH -- EVEN ROLAND. >> Scott: I DON'T THINK I TRULY BELIEVE THAT ONE. [LAUGHTER] >> Hernandez: I WAS TRYING TO BE NICE. >> Barrera: I LOVE YOU TOO, BROTHER. >> Hernandez: THINK ABOUT -- TRY NOT -- DON'T THINK I BROUGHT THIS UP BECAUSE I ONLY WANT TO WORK EVERY OTHER WEEK. NO. THAT'S NOT THE CASE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING PRODUCTIVE AND WE'RE NOT BEATING UP OUR STAFF. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN SCOTT. >> Hernandez: I'LL HOLD OFF. >> Scott: I WAS WATCHING THE COUNCIL MEETING LAST WEEK AND THERE WERE PEOPLE PACKING UP WITH ONE AGENDA ITEM TO GO, AND THAT'S THE THIRD MEETING I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN WHERE PEOPLE WERE PACKING UP TO GET OUT. AND THEN WE DIDN'T FINISH THE MEETING. WE MOVED AN AGENDA ITEM. THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. YOU GET THE SENSE WE'RE MAKING -- WE'RE WEARING EACH OTHER OUT. I GET THAT. BUT I HAVE WITNESSED US GOING, HEY, MAN, MOVE IT. I'M PACKING UP. I'VE GOT TO GO. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. I'LL PUT IN THE TWO CENTS. I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE TWO COUNCIL MEETINGS THIS MONTH, THREE THIS MONTH, ONE THIS MONTH BECAUSE YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE NEVER GOING TO KEEP UP WITH THAT AND IT'S NOT FAIR TO HAVE TO SAY, BY THE WAY, THIS IS WHAT OUR SCHEDULE LOOKS LIKE. THIS MONTH NOW IT LOOKS LIKE THIS. I'M NOT SURE -- WELL, YOU JUST MENTIONED WHAT THIS WAS ABOUT. I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE MORE SO ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE A LARGE CITY AND WE HAVE A LOT OF BUSINESS TO CONDUCT. AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM FOR THIS COUNCIL, FOR US AS A TEAM, ALL OF YOU SITTING ON THE SIDES HERE, TO MAKE THE CURRENT MEETINGS AT THREE TIMES A MONTH MORE EFFICIENT, FIRST OF ALL. WHAT COUNCILMAN BARRERA SAID IS ON POINT. WE CAN, MYSELF INCLUDED, START BY PREPARING BETTER AND MAKING SURE THAT, HEY, LET'S LOOK AT, FOR EXAMPLE, A CONSENT AGENDA. AND LET'S MAKE SURE THAT A CONSENT AGENDA, BOOM. IT JUST GOES RIGHT THROUGH. AND THAT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH PREPARING AND MAKING CERTAIN, MAKING SURE. YOU KNOW, REBECCA, WE PREPARE WHEN WE MEET AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT IN MAKING THE CURRENT MEETINGS EFFICIENT. I THINK THAT WE HAVE SO MUCH BUSINESS. I AM NOT INTERESTED. I WON'T SUPPORT IT EITHER. I AM IN THE SAME STANCE AS COUNCILMAN CANTU. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO BE HERE UNTIL 6:30, 7:30, 8:30, 9:30 AT NIGHT. I THINK WE CAN FIX THAT. NOW, DID I ENJOY THREE WEEKS? YES. THAT WAS AWESOME. SOMETIMES IT WORKS OUT THAT WAY, JUST LIKE IT DID THIS ONE TIME. I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF BUSINESS TO TAKE CARE OF AND I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO A LOT OF THE CONTRACTS AND THE MULTIMILLION DOLLARS THAT WE ARE APPROVING OR NOT AT THE END OF THE DAY. OR THE BRIEFINGS. YOU KNOW, THAT WE LISTEN TO AT THE END OF THE DAY. IT'S EXHAUSTING. EVEN THOUGH WE'RE SITTING HERE, YOU ARE MENTALLY EXHAUSTED, EVEN NOW AT 6:30. ANYHOW, OH, COUNCILMAN ROY HAS A COMMENT AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION OR NOT. COUNCILMAN ROY. >> Roy: YEAH, MY COMMENTS CAN BE BRIEF. I MEAN, I DO AGREE WITH SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AS FAR AS BEING PREPARED AND DOING YOUR HOMEWORK. AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT WE'RE NOT UP HERE AND WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON EVERY ITEM OUT THERE. WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT. IT'S NOT REQUIRED. YOU KNOW, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE BIGGEST AND THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU CAN DO IS VOTE BECAUSE THAT SHOWS HOW YOU'RE SUPPORTING YOUR CONSTITUENTS, NOT THE FACT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SIT THERE AND SOMEBODY ELSE SAYS SOMETHING AND SOMEBODY ELSE COMES BACK AND SAYS SOMETHING ELSE AGAIN. THAT KIND OF WORD SALDANA WE HAVE TO GET AWAY FROM BECAUSE THE UNFORTUNATE THING IS IT'S TAKING UP TOO MUCH TIME . I DON'T CARE IF YOU HAVE COUNCIL EVERY OTHER WEEK, YOU HAVE IT EVERY OTHER DAY BUT WE'RE GOING TO SIT HERE AND DRAG THESE COUNCIL MEETINGS OUT BECAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO MAKE COMMENTS ON EVERYTHING. I WANT PEOPLE TO RESERVE THAT AND THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE IT DOES MAKE FOR A LONG DAY. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON AND GO TO SECTION M. AND THAT IS RECESS TO THE CITY CORPORATION MEETING, ITEM NO. 34, WHICH IS A SPECIAL BOARD MEETING OF THE CORPUS CHRISTI HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION. DO I NEED TO ADJOURN? I NEED TO ADJOURN. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD. SO I ADJOURN THIS MEETING. >> RECESS. >> Mayor Guajardo: RECESS, SORRY. EVERYBODY LEAVE. [LAUGHTER] HIT IT AGAIN. YEAH. OKAY. >> Roy: I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER OF THE CORPUS CHRISTI HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION. MS. HUERTA, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? [ROLL CALL] >> City Secretary: WE HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT TO CONDUCT THE MEETING. >> Roy: THANK YOU. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT? DO WE HAVE ANYBODY OUT THERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING THAT THERE'S NONE, MS. HUERTA, HAVE YOU RECEIVED ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? >> City Secretary: NO, SIR. >> Roy: OKAY. SEEING THAT THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND GO TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR JANUARY 28, 2025 BOARD MEETING. >> SO MOVE. >> SECOND. >> Roy: SO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR. [CHORUS OF AYES] >> Roy: OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES. NEXT WE HAVE A RESOLUTION AMENDING AN REAFFIRMING THE CORPUS CHRISTI HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION'S INVESTMENT POLICY AND INVESTMENT STRATEGY FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2025 AND 2026. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. DIRECTOR OF FINANCE HERE. INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET IS THE UPDATED INVESTMENT POLICY AND INVESTMENT STRATEGY FOR THE HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION. WE'RE REQUIRED TO REVIEW THIS POLICY ANNUALLY. THE INVESTMENT COMMITTEE MET ON APRIL 21, REVIEWED AND APPROVED CHANGES TO THE POLICY. THE BIGGEST CHANGE HERE TO OUR POLICY IS EXTEND THE WAITED AVERAGE MATURITY FROM ONE YEAR TO TWO YEARS. THIS ALLOWS US TO HAVE MORE INVESTMENTS GO OUT FOR LONGER TERM, ESPECIALLY NOW WITH THE ANTICIPATED DECREASE IN THE INTEREST RATES. WE WANT THAT FLEXIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO LOCK IN RATES NOW. OTHER THAN THAT, NO OTHER SIGNIFICANT CHANGES. STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL. >> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND. >> Roy: WE HAVE A MOTION WITH A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? [CHORUS OF AYES] >> Roy: OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES. AND NEXT WE HAVE A PRESENTATION ON THE PROPOSED HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT -- >> [OFF MIC] >> Roy: AND TOOLKIT TO BE INCLUDED IN THE FY2026 CORPUS CHRISTI HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION BUDGET. >> GOOD EVENING, DANIEL MCGINN, INTERIM ACM. ACTUALLY, IF YOU COULD BRING UP THAT PREVIOUS POWERPOINT, THAT WAS THE CORRECT ONE THAT YOU HAD UP. GOOD EVENING. THIS NEXT ITEM IS A BRIEFING ON A POTENTIAL HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND RELATED TOOLKIT. HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT WILL IDENTIFY CURRENT AND PROJECTED HOUSING DEMANDS AT THE VARIOUS INCOME LEVELS AND ALL HOUSING TYPES THROUGHOUT THE CITY. THIS WILL REALLY GIVE US A HANDLE ON THE DATA AND WHAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. THE TOOLKIT WILL INCLUDE KIND OF A PRIORITIZED POLICY AND PROGRAM THAT WILL ADDRESS THOSE CURRENT AND PROJECTED GAPS AND SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT BEST PRACTICES FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY. LOOKING AT SOME OF THE DIFFERENT TOOLS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US HERE LOCALLY AND WITHIN THE STATE OF TEXAS. AND THEN FINALLY THE TOOLKIT WOULD ESTABLISH QUANTITATIVE METRICS WHERE WE COULD THEN KIND OF MONITOR THE PROGRESS AND HOW WE'RE FILLING IN THOSE NEEDS. AS FAR AS METHODOLOGY, WE WOULD BE WORKING WITH A GROUP OF STAKEHOLDERS. WE WOULD GET INPUT FROM OUR LOCAL HOUSING COMMUNITY, REALTORS, COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE VENDORS BANKERS HOUSING AND DIFFERENT INSURANCE COMPANIES. EVERYONE THAT WOULD REALLY BE INVOLVED IN OUR HOUSING NETWORK. DATA SOURCES WOULD INCLUDE THE CENSUS TEXAS DEMOGRAPHIC CENTER. WE WOULD WORK WITH OUR TEXAS A&M CENTER. THEY PUT OUT A LOT OF GREAT REPORTS. AND THE VARIOUS COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE. NEXT STEPS FOR THIS ITEM WOULD BE WE DO HAVE ANOTHER ITEM THAT WILL HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE CORPORATION, WE BELIEVE IN SEPTEMBER, RELATING TO THE COSTAR SALE. IF WE WANT TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS, WE WOULD PRESENT IT AT THAT MEETING FOR ACTION. WE REACHED OUT TO THE HOUSING AUTHORITY TO SEE IF THEY HAD ANY INTEREST IN PARTICIPATING IN AN ASSESSMENT AND THEY DO. THEY'RE GOING TO DISCUSS IT AT THEIR NEXT MEETING TO SEE WHAT LEVEL THEY MAY BE ABLE TO HELP US OUT WITH THAT AND BE INVOLVED WITH IT. FINALLY, I THINK WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT KIND OF A CAP OF $150,000 FOR THIS STUDY. DO NOT EXCEED AMOUNT, AS WE WOULD GO IN TO TRY TO PROCURE A THIRD PARTY THAT WOULD HELP US OUT WITH THAT. BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. >> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND. >> City Secretary: IT'S NOT AN ACTION ITEM. >> Roy: THERE'S NO VOTE REQUIRED BUT WE DO HAVE A QUESTION. I'M SORRY. BOARD MEMBER PAXTON. >> Paxson: I'LL JUST TALK LOUD. NO, I'M KIDDING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. IN YOUR LIST OF STAKEHOLDERS, THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS, IF WE WERE GOING TO HAVE HUD PRESENT FOR THAT IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS. SO THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THAT. I WAS CURIOUS. I KNOW OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT KEEPS A PRETTY ROBUST AND ACCURATE TALLY -- WELL, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE -- ON TRENDS IN OUR HOMELESS POPULATION, INDIVIDUALS COUPLES FAMILIES. AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY VALUABLE TO INCLUDE IN OUR STAKEHOLDERS' DETAILS. I'M ALSO CURIOUS -- AND POSSIBLY THIS IS SOMETHING THAT OUR REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONALS COULD HELP WITH. BUT KEEPING OUR EYE FOR TRENDS TO BE COMPETITIVE WITH THE PROFESSIONAL GROUPS. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING WE REALLY WANT TO FOCUS ON. WE HEAR THAT A LOT. WE NEED TO RETAIN THE TALENT THAT WE HAVE BROUGHT UP HERE. OR WE NEED TO INCENTIVIZE GOOD TALENT. THAT KIND OF THING. AND I KNOW THAT IT'S HERE SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE KEEPING A FOCUS ON HAVING RESOURCES FOR THEM TO STAY HERE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> Roy: BOARD MEMBER HERNANDEZ. >> Hernandez: DAN, I APPRECIATE THE INCLUDING THE HOUSING AUTHORITY IN THAT. I KNOW THAT CAME FROM A CONVERSATION WE HAD REGARDING PARTICIPATION SO WE COULD GET INFORMATION AS WELL AS HAVE THEM PAY FOR HALF OF IT. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT THROUGH. >> NO PROBLEM AT ALL. GOOD IDEA. >> Roy: ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING THAT THERE'S NONE. >> Mayor Guajardo: I HAVE ONE. >> Roy: OH, YOU HAVE ONE. BOARD MEMBER GUAJARDO. >> Mayor Guajardo: JUST A COMMENT. I THINK THIS IS, AS WE PUT IT, OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO UNTANGLE. THIS IS A GREAT ROAD MAP FOR US TO FINALLY SEE WHAT IS THE NEED AND HOW DO WE GO ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TACKLING THAT NEED FOR THE SAKE OF THOSE RESIDENTS. SO I THINK IT'S WONDERFUL. DO YOU HAVE A TIMELINE FOR IT, OR DID YOU MENTION THAT? >> WELL, I THINK THE PROCESS IS PROBABLY ABOUT NINE MONTHS, ONCE WE HAVE THE CONSULTANT ON BOARD. SO WE'RE SAYING SEPTEMBER TO COME BACK, JUST BECAUSE OF THE CORPORATION DOESN'T MEET THAT OFTEN SO WE THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE TWO ITEMS TO TAKE ACTION ON. BUT THEN PROBABLY WOULD BE TWO OR THREE MONTHS TO PROCURE A THIRD PARTY AND A SIX TO NINE-MONTHS. >> Roy: SEEING THAT THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. SO THE COUNCIL MEETING WILL NOW RECONVENE AND WE WILL HAVE -- ARE YOU ON THE INNER HARBOR -- BRIEFING ON THE INNER HARBOR WATER TREATMENT CAMPUS. THAT'S ITEM NO. 36. AND THEN LASTLY WE'LL HAVE ITEM 37, THE 89th LEGISLATURE POST-SESSION BRIEFING. >> ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING. SO BRETT, I'M THE PROGRAM MANAGEMENT OFFICE DIRECTOR RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DELIVERY OF THE INNER HARBOR WATER TREATMENT CAMPUS. THERE WE GO. OKAY. SO TODAY I'M GOING TO TOUCH ON A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE, JUST A GENERAL PROJECT UPDATE, ALONG WITH THE TIMELINE. I'LL BRIEFLY GIVE YOU SOME OF THE UPDATES FOR THE NEAR AND FAR-FIELD MODELING, AS WELL AS THE DEMONSTRATION PLAN. THEN WE'LL FINISH IT OFF WITH FUTURE TOPICS. ON THAT RIGHT-HAND SIDE IS THE CURRENT CAMPUS LAYOUT. IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE LAYOUT, JUST TO HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED SINCE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE. WE REMOVED THE EDUCATION CENTER. IF YOU REMEMBER PREVIOUSLY IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS IMAGE ON THE BOTTOM, WE HAD SHOWN THE EDUCATION CENTER. SO THAT'S BEEN REMOVED. AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT WE'VE CONSOLIDATED THE ADMIN BUILDING AND THE OPERATIONS BUILDING. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOP LEFT WHERE NUECES BAY BOULEVARD, WHICH WOULD BE THE ROAD THAT RUNS FROM SOUTH TO NORTH. AND THEN WEST BROADWAY, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT RUNS FROM EAST TO WEST. WE'VE LOCATED THAT FACILITY AT THE TOP. AND THEN WE TOOK ALL THAT PROCESS EQUIPMENT THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY LOCATED THERE AND MOVED IT TO THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE PLANT. SO IT WAS A REMODIFICATION, RELAYOUT OF THE SITE TO MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT AND CONSOLIDATE SOME OF THE SERVICES FOR THE COST BENEFITS, EFFICIENCY BENEFITS, ET CETERA. SO THE PROJECT HAS THREE PHASES WITH PHASE 1 CONTAINING TWO COMPONENTS, PHASE 1A, PHASE 1B. PHASE 1A IS NOW DONE AS OF JUNE 1st AND WE'VE TRANSITIONED TO FULLY BEING IN THE PHASE 1B PART, WHICH IS PRIMARILY DESIGN AND THEN WORKING TOWARDS A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE. AND THEN THE END OF THIS YEAR IS WHEN WE PLAN ON BRINGING THE PROJECT TO CITY COUNCIL TO REQUEST APPROVAL FOR THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE. THEN WE'LL TRANSITION INTO CONSTRUCTION NEXT YEAR, EARLY NEXT YEAR. THEN ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE IS JUST A GENERAL OVERVIEW OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT SITE, WHICH IS AT THE INTERSECTION OF NUECES BAY BOULEVARD AND WEST BROADWAY. AND THEN WE HAVE THE INTAKE AND DISCHARGE LOCATION SHOWN IN THE INNER HARBOR SHIP CHANNEL. SO AS I MENTIONED, THE PHASE 1A COMPLETED JUNE 1st. SOME OF THE MAJOR DELIVERABLES THAT CAME OUT OF THAT, ONE, WAS THE PILOT PROTOCOL. THE BASIS OF DESIGN REPORT, WHICH THE CITY AND OUR OWNERS AGENT, FREESE AND NICHOLS, HAS BEEN REVIEWING FOR WELL OVER A MONTH NOW, WORKING WITH KIEWIT TO REFINE THAT DOCUMENT. ALSO THE COST MODEL WAS DELIVERED AT THE END OF JUNE. AND THE MODEL IS CURRENTLY IN REVIEW. WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH FREESE AND NICHOLS AND SPIRE, WHO IS OUR INDEPENDENT COST ESTIMATOR, TO REVIEW THAT DRAFT COST MODEL TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS CONSISTENT WITH CONTRACT EXPECTATIONS AND INCLUDES EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED FOR THE PROJECT. AND THEN PHASE 1B, AGAIN, HAS ALREADY STARTED. IT STARTED IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR. WE HAVE EXECUTED THREE CONTRACT AMENDMENTS AND THEN WE'VE ISSUED WHAT WE CALL A WORK CHANGE DIRECTIVE FOR ONE SCOPE ITEM. AND WE DID THAT BECAUSE WE'RE STILL IN NEGOTIATION. AND THAT PARTICULAR ONE IS RELATED TO THE DEMONSTRATION PLANT. WE PLAN TO HAVE THAT AMENDMENT EXECUTED THIS MONTH. SO THE TOTAL FOR PHASE 1A PLUS THE AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN EXECUTED TO DATE TOTAL A LITTLE OVER $35 MILLION. AND IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE, AGAIN, THIS MONTH WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE AMENDMENT FOR THE DEMONSTRATION PLAN EXECUTED. WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING THAT ONE AS A TIME IN MATERIAL AMENDMENT SO WE'RE GOING TO TRACK MATERIAL COST, LABOR COST, EQUIPMENT, ET CETERA. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE ON SITE TRACKING HOW MUCH IS USED AND WE'LL GET ACTUAL INVOICES FOR THAT ENTIRE EFFORT. SO WE'LL BE SEEING THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER THIS MONTH. AND THE NEXT BIG AMENDMENT, WHICH WILL BE THE FIFTH AMENDMENT FOR PHASE 1B IS GOING TO BE FOR THE FULL DESIGN AND GMP DEVELOPMENT. I EXPECT THAT ONE NOT THIS MONTH, WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE THAT ONE EXECUTED IN JULY. AND ALONG THE WAY, WE MAY HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL EARLY WORK PACKAGES. THOSE WILL TYPICALLY BE RELATED TO GETTING LONG LEAD EQUIPMENT AND OTHER CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE AHEAD OF THE DESIGN BEING COMPLETED SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THE PROJECT IS COMPLETED ON TIME. HERE'S A PROJECT TIMELINE. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE YELLOW STAR, THAT WILL KIND OF SHOW YOU WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS. AGAIN, JUST TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW ARE THE BASIS OF DESIGN REPORT, THE BODR, AND THEN THE COST MODEL DRAFTS. THE DEMONSTRATION PLANT IS PLANNED TO START CONSTRUCTION NEXT WEEK WITH THE FIRST PART OF THAT CONSTRUCTION BEING THE DISCHARGE LINE FROM THE PLANT SITE, THE PILOT PLANT SITE, OUR DEMONSTRATION PLANT SITE, TO THE BROADWAY WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. AND THEN THE OTHER ITEM THAT IS COMPLETE, AS PROMISED, IT WAS COMPLETED IN MAY OF THIS YEAR, IS THE NEAR AND FAR-FIELD MODEL. NOW THAT THE MODEL HAS BEEN BUILT OUT, THE KIEWIT AND GHD TEAM IS RUNNING DIFFERENT SCENARIOS, THEY'RE SIMULATING DIFFERENT SCENARIOS. THEY'RE LOOKING AT WORST CASE, BEST CASE, AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN. WE'RE GOING TO SHARE THOSE RESULTS JULY 15. THE REST OF THIS MONTH THEY'RE GOING TO BE RUNNING THOSE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AND WE'LL PRESENT THAT IN THE FIRST COUNCIL MEETING IN JULY. SO JUST -- THIS IS JUST A LITTLE OVERVIEW. SO AS I STATED, WE RECEIVED THE MODEL IN MAY. IT WAS COMPLETED. AND THIS MONTH THE GHD AND KIEWIT TEAM ARE FOCUSING ON THOSE SCENARIOS. AND IF YOU LOOK ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE SOME OF THE CHARACTERISTICS THAT ARE GOING TO BE EVALUATED WITH THE ONES THAT WE REALLY WANT TO FOCUS ON BEING SALINITY, DISSOLVED OXYGEN, AND STRATIFICATION. THOSE ARE TYPICALLY RELATED TO HYPOXIC CONDITIONS. WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT JULY 15. THIS RIGHT HERE IS A OVERVIEW OF THE EXTENTS OF THE NEAR AND FAR-FIELD MODELING. SO GHD'S DOMAIN WILL CONSIST OF EVERYTHING IN THE GRIDDED AREA. SO IT WILL GO AS FAR NORTH PAST FLINT HILLS. AND THEN IT WILL GO AS FAR SOUTH AS THE MOUTH OF THE SHIP CHANNEL. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE TWO DIFFERENT COLORS, YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DARKER BLUE AND THEN KIND OF A LIGHT GRAY. THOSE DISTANCES, ONE HEADING NORTH IS ABOUT 7.1 MILES AWAY FROM THE DISCHARGE AREA. AND THEN THE AREA HEADED SOUTH TOWARDS THE MOUTH OF THE SHIP CHANNEL BY THE HARBOR BRIDGE IS APPROXIMATELY 1.4 MILES. YOU CAN SEE ALL THE DIFFERENT INPUTS AND OUTPUTS OF THE SYSTEM, THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THAT MODEL. THE DEMONSTRATION PLANT IS SCHEDULED TO START CONSTRUCTION THIS MONTH WITH THE DISCHARGE FROM THE DEMONSTRATION SITE OUT TO THE BROADWAY WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT STARTING NEXT WEEK. ONCE WE GET THE EQUIPMENT IN, THE ACTUAL PROCESS EQUIPMENT, WHICH WE ANTICIPATE TO HAPPEN IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS, WE'LL ACTUALLY START INSTALLING AND THEN WE'LL START THE OPERATION PERIOD, WHICH WILL MOSTLY CONSIST OF COMMISSIONING. THAT'S GETTING ALL THE EQUIPMENT IN PLACE, GET THE CHEMICAL LEVELS RIGHT, GET THE FLOWS RIGHT, ET CETERA. AND THEN IN THE SEPTEMBER/OCTOBER TIME-FRAME, PROBABLY CLOSER TO THE OCTOBER TIME-FRAME, WE'LL ACTUALLY START THE 30-DAY RUN PERIOD THAT TCEQ REQUIRES. IT'S A CONTINUOUS 30 DAYS WHERE THERE CAN BE NO INTERRUPTION. AND THEY'LL RUN IT FOR THAT 30 DAYS. AT THE END OF THE 30 DAYS, THEY'LL ACTUALLY GENERATE A REPORT THAT WILL GO BACK TO TCEQ SHOWING THE FINDINGS. AND IT'S JUST PART OF THE NATURAL PROCESS OF THE PILOT. IT WILL ALSO HELP INFLUENCE SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT AND CHEMICAL USAGE, ET CETERA, THAT WE'LL ACTUALLY USE FOR THE FULL PLANT. SO SOME OF THE FUTURE TOPICS. YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO COUNCIL BRIEFINGS AT LEAST TWICE A MONTH. THE NEXT SCHEDULED BRIEFING IS NEXT TUESDAY. ONE ITEM THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR TODAY, WHICH IS -- IT'S A GREAT PRESENTATION. WE HAVE A SPEAKER HERE. I KNOW YOU GUYS GOT A PRESENTATION FROM HIM PREVIOUSLY JUST TO GET A FEEL FOR HOW THE PROCESS WORKS. BUT WE WANTED TO BRING HIM HERE TO CITY COUNCIL SO HE COULD DO AN ABBREVIATED VERSION TO TALK ABOUT DESIGN-BUILD, WHICH IS THE EXECUTION WE'RE USING FOR THIS PROJECT. TOUCH ON THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN JUST EXPECTATION MANAGEMENT AS WE WORK OUR WAY THROUGH THIS PROCESS. SO SOME MAJOR UPCOMING DELIVERABLES. ONE IS GOING TO BE THE DEMONSTRATION PLANT CONTRACT AMENDMENT, WHICH I PLAN ON EXECUTING THIS MONTH. AND THEN THE BIG ONE WILL BE THE DESIGN AND GMP DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENT, WHICH WILL COME IN JULY. THAT IS THE PRESENTATION. JUST AS A REMINDER, WE DO HAVE A CITY WEBSITE THAT THE PUBLIC CAN GO TO. IT'S AT SUSTAINABLEWATER.CORPUS CHRISTI TEXAS.GOV. WE ALSO HAVE THE QR CODE THAT WILL TAKE YOU TO THE CITY WEBSITE. WE'RE CONSTANTLY PROVIDING NEW CONTENT. WE HAVE A NEW DESAL VIDEO WE'RE GOING TO BE POS POSTING . AND WE'RE UPDATING THE FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ALL THE TIME. GOT SOME GOOD INFORMATION ON THERE. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION, BRETT. COUNCILMAN CANTU. >> Cantu: COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. SO WE ALREADY SPENT $35 MILLION SINCE APRIL 15? >> NO, SIR. THAT'S WHAT WE'VE COMMITTED TO DATE. >> Cantu: OKAY. >> YEAH. THAT'S NOT THE ACTUAL SPEND. >> Cantu: AND THEN THE FAR FIELD STUDY, JULY 15. >> YES, SIR. WE'LL HAVE GHD HERE AND THEY'LL DO A PRESENTATION ON THE FINDINGS. >> Cantu: HAVE YOU GUYS LOOKED INTO THE FINDINGS TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS SAFE TO KEEP ON PURSUING WITH THE CONTRACTS AND EVERYTHING, YOU GUYS ARE DOING ON A DAILY BASIS? >> SO THEY HAVEN'T PROVIDED US ANY OF THE RESULTS OF THE MODEL YET. THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT THEMSELVES BEFORE THEY SHARE ANY OF THAT WITH US. >> Cantu: AND MY UNDERSTANDING, IT LOOKED LIKE IT STARTED IN MAY. THE FAR FIELD STUDY. >> THE MODEL ITSELF WAS BUILT IN MAY AND THEY STARTED RUNNING THE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS THIS MONTH IN JUNE. >> Cantu: AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS 30 DAYS FOR THE PILOT PROGRAM. YOU THINK THAT'S ENOUGH TIME TO GO THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT WEATHER PATTERNS AND STUFF LIKE THAT? >> SO THE MODEL -- SO RUNNING THE PILOT FOR THE 30 DAYS, YOU'RE REALLY ONLY CAPTURING WHATEVER TIME OF THE YEAR YOU ARE. YOU CAN ONLY CHARACTERIZE THAT 30 DAYS. NOW THE MODELS THEY'VE RUN CAN CHARACTERIZE THE ENTIRE YEAR. BUT IF YOU'RE TALKING -- THE MODEL WE PUT OUT REALLY IS ONLY GOING TO CAPTURE EXACTLY THE TIME-FRAME THAT WE'RE OUT THERE. THAT'S THE REALITY OF IT. BUT THE MODEL THEY BUILT WILL SHOW AN ENTIRE YEAR BASED ON HISTORICAL DATA. SO IT'S A RELATIVELY GOOD REPRESENTATION OF WHAT TO EXPECT. >> Cantu: I JUST WISH WE GOT MORE DAYS THAN 30 DAYS BECAUSE ANYTHING COULD HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT WEATHER CHANGES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. MY UNDERSTANDING, WHAT I'VE BEEN HEARING, YOU KNOW, 30 DAYS IS NOT ENOUGH TIME. BUT I LEAVE IT WITH YOU GUYS. YOU GUYS ARE THE EXPERTS. I MEAN, I JUST DON'T WANT TO DO IT FOR 30 DAYS, WE BUILD THIS PLANT, IT DOESN'T WORK. THANK YOU. >> YES, SIR. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN. >> Vaughn: I'M NOT GOING TO INSULT ANYBODY BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE ANY EXPERTS ON A DESAL PLANT BECAUSE WE HAVE NEVER BUILT ONE. THAT CONCERNS ME. THE 30 DAYS IS A BIG DEAL TO ME. I WOULD THINK IF YOU WERE CONCERNED -- AND I KNOW YOU ARE -- ABOUT OUR BAYS, YOU WOULD TAKE AS LONG AS YOU COULD AND GO THROUGH ALL THE SEASONS TO LOOK AT IT. BECAUSE WE CAN'T GO BACK IF WE MESS IT UP. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BIG RUSH IS HERE. I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE TALKED ABOUT AGAIN. BUT ON THOSE CONTRACTS, YOU SAID YOU EXECUTED THREE. WHAT ARE THE CONTRACTS? WHAT ARE THEY FOR? >> SO THERE'S FOUR TECHNICALLY BUT ONLY THREE HAVE EXECUTED AMENDMENTS. SO THE FIRST ONE WAS -- SO WE BROUGHT A TECHNOLOGY SUPPLIER ON, WHICH IS AQUA TECH. THEY'RE OUR MAIN TECHNOLOGY PROVIDER. WE BROUGHT THEM ON EARLY SO THEY CAN HELP WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE BASIS OF DESIGN REPORT. THEN WE PAY FOR GHD TO DO THE MODELING A LITTLE BIT EARLIER THAN ORIGINALLY PLANNED. WE ALSO SECURED SOME LONG-LEAD ITEM, TWO HIGH-VOLTAGE TRANSFORMERS. SO WE LOCKED THAT IN. THAT WAS THE VERY F FIRST AMENDMENT. >> Vaughn: WHAT ARE THE HIGH-VOLTAGE TRANSFORMERS FOR? >> IT'S FOR THE PROJECT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE TRANSFORMERS ON SITE. WE HAVE SECURED ONE, OUR LINE IN THE QUEUE TO HAVE THEM BUILT. BUT ALSO GETTING THEM TO SUPPORT US IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SUBMITTALS, THE DESIGN DRAWINGS, ET CETERA. SO WE BROUGHT THAT TEAM ON TO HELP US WITH THE PLANNING AND DESIGN DEVELOPMENT. >> Vaughn: THAT'S FOR THE ACTUAL DESAL PLANT. >> CORRECT. >> Vaughn: Y'ALL ARE STARTING TO ORDER THINGS FOR THE DESAL PLANT? >> WE HAVEN'T ORDERED. WE'RE SECURING SERVICES. >> Vaughn: CONTRACT. >> WE'RE JUST GETTING PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. WE'RE GETTING THEM TO HELP US WITH THE DESIGN, SUBMITTAL DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVEN'T ACTUALLY ORDERED ANY EQUIPMENT. THIS IS ALL PLANNING AND DESIGN EFFORT. >> Vaughn: I WISH YOU WOULD BRING US SOMETHING BACK THAT SHOWS US THAT YOU SHOULD JUST DO 30 DAYS IN THAT PILOT PROGRAM. THAT'S A CONCERN FOR ME THAT IT'S ONLY 30 DAYS. WE'VE GOT A YEAR. I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR RUSH IS. WE'RE GETTING WATER SUPPLIES NOW AND WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE FOR THE DESAL PLANT SO WHY WOULDN'T WE GO LONGER AND LOOK AT THE SEASONS AND MAKE GOOD AND SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS GOING TO NOT HURT OUR BAY? >> SO JUST TO POINT OUT, SO THE 30-DAY REQUIREMENT IS FROM TCEQ AND IT'S THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT. YOU COULD GO LONGER BUT IT IS NOT A CHEAP EXPENSE. YOU KNOW, THE RENTAL OF THIS EQUIPMENT IS MORE THAN A MILLION DOLLARS A MONTH TO ACTUALLY RENT THE EQUIPMENT TO RUN THE PILOT. SO IF THE CITY WAS WANTING TO PURSUE AN ENTIRE YEAR, IT COMES AT A COST. SO YOU CAN MODEL WITH ACTUAL EQUIPMENT ON SITE AS LONG AS YOU WANT IF YOU'RE WILLING TO COVER THE EXPENSE. >> Vaughn: I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU. WE'RE SPENDING $18 MILLION FOR THE PILOT EQUIPMENT. >> Zanoni: RIGHT. >> Vaughn: I'M A VISUAL PERSON SO YOU'RE SPENDING $18 MILLION FOR THAT. AND THEN YOU'RE TELLING ME IT'S GOING TO COST MORE TO CONTINUE TO RUN THIS PILOT? >> SO FIRST OFF, THE $18 MILLION, I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT NUMBER CAME FROM. WE NEVER SAID $18 MILLION. THAT WAS A NUMBER THAT WAS ACTUALLY PROVIDED BY A COUNCIL MEMBER AT ONE OF OUR MEETINGS. >> Vaughn: I THINK MR. ZANONI PROVIDED THAT. >> Zanoni: I MAY HAVE SAID IT BEFORE. >> I CAN TELL YOU WE'RE NOT EXECUTING AN AGREEMENT FOR $18 MILLION FOR THE PILOT PLANT. LIKE I SAID EARLIER, WE'RE DOING A TIME IN MATERIAL. WE'RE GOING TO SHOW ACTUALS. WHAT I AM SAYING IS THERE'S A COST FOR RENTAL AND TO SUPPORT IT BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING TO BRING OUT GENERATORS TO SUPPORT, FUEL TO SUPPORT. SO I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT THE ACTUAL COST IS BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T ACTUALLY SEEN TRUE NUMBERS FROM KIEWIT, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE GOING TIME IMMATERIAL. BUT IT DEFINITELY COMES AT A COST. IN ORDER FOR US TO KEEP IT LONGER THAN THE ANTICIPATED THREE MONTHS, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE INITIAL SET UP, COMMISSIONING, THE 30-DAY RUN PERIOD, AND THERE'S GOING TO BE A PERIOD AFTER THAT BEFORE WE ACTUALLY END THE 90 DAYS. RIGHT NOW WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE AREA OF WE THINK, 10, $11 MILLION AS A NOT TO EXCEED FOR THIS EFFORT. >> Vaughn: HERE'S MY PROBLEM WITH THIS. I HAVE TO DEPEND ON MR. ZANONI AND WHAT HE TELLS ME. THAT'S WHERE I GET MY NUMBERS FROM IS HIM. THERE SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE DIVIDE HERE. >> Zanoni: WE'LL EXPLAIN IT. THE $18 MILLION IS THE LUMP SUM. >> Vaughn: OF WHAT YOU SPENT? >> Zanoni: THAT KIEWIT ESTIMATED TO BE THE COST FOR THE PILOT. WE KNOW THAT WAS MORE THAN WHAT FREESE AND NICHOLS ESTIMATED IT TO BE. >> Vaughn: YEAH. >> Zanoni: THAT'S WHY BRETT IS TALKING TECHNICAL TERMS HERE. WE WEREN'T COMFORTABLE WITH DOING A LUMP-SUM PAYMENT. WE'RE DOING TIME AND MATERIALS. THEY HAVE TO PROVE HOW MUCH THEY SPEND TO DO THIS PILOT PLANT. WE DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE $18 MILLION. THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT AUTHORIZING THE LUMP SUM PAYMENT. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SUBMIT INVOICES FOR ALL THE TIME AND MATERIALS AND WE'RE GOING TO PAY THOSE. WE THINK BY DOING THAT IT WILL COME IN LESS THAN $18 MILLION. >> Vaughn: WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE 5. >> Zanoni: FREESE AND NICHOLS ADVISED US YOU COULD EXPECT $5 MILLION. THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHERE YOU HAVE A NON-CONSTRUCTION FIRM ESTIMATING PRICING AND THEN THE CONSTRUCTION FIRM ACTUALLY KNOWING WHAT TO DO TO CARRY OUT THE ORDER. AND FREESE AND NICHOLS ASSUMED CERTAIN THINGS, LIKE THIS IS NOT OFF THE SHELF TECHNOLOGY IS READY FOR OUR EXACT PILOT. SO WE HAVE TO BUY THINGS THAT ARE BIGGER IN SOME CASES, OR LEASE OR RENT. THEY ALSO DIDN'T ASSUME THE SITE TO NEED GENERATORS FOR POWER. SO IT'S NOT THAT IT CAME IN -- THAT THE PRICES HAVE DRAMATICALLY INCREASED, IT'S THAT THERE WERE UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WEREN'T PUT INTO THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATE OF WHAT IT WOULD COST. >> Vaughn: I THINK WE PAID THEM A LOT OF MONEY JUST TO ASSUME. >> Zanoni: THEY'RE THE ENGINEER OF RECORD. >> Vaughn: I KNOW. I KNOW. THANK YOU. >> Zanoni: COUNCILWOMAN, TO YOUR POINT, WE'LL HAVE FREESE AND NICHOLS AND KIEWIT ABOUT THIS EXTENSION IN THE PILOT. JUST TO SEE. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS. >> Campos: THANK YOU, MAYOR. ALL RIGHT. WELL, I THINK I'M GOING TO STAY ON THE LINE OF COST. WE KEEP -- AND THANK GOODNESS THAT WE ARE GETTING WEEKLY E-MAILS ON THE COST OF SOME OF OUR GROUNDWATER, YOU KNOW, WELLS AND HOW MUCH THAT IS COSTING. BUT WE'RE NOT SEEING ANYTHING LIKE THAT FOR THIS PROJECT. AND JUST LIKE TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE EXPENSES AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING FROM $5 MILLION TO $18 MILLION. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING THAT GIVES US AN IDEA AS TO WHAT AT LEAST WE'RE LOOKING AT. I DON'T SEE THAT IN YOUR PAST PRESENTATION OR IN THIS PRESENTATION. SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. AND I'M SORRY BUT I GUESS I'M KIND OF TIRED. I DIDN'T HEAR YOU SAYING ANYTHING -- WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT THE FAR-FIELD MODELING? WHAT? >> SO THE MODEL ITSELF, THE TOOL THAT'S GOING TO BE USED TO ACTUALLY EVALUATE THE INNER HARBOR SHIP CHANNEL IS BUILT. SO NOW GHD AND KIEWIT ARE DOING -- THEY'RE PUTTING INPUTS TO THE SYSTEM FOR THE -- IF WE COULD PUT THE PRESENTATION BACK UP, IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL. THEY'RE GOING BACK IN AND THEY'RE TAKING ALL THE SOURCES, ALL THE INPUTS/OUTPUTS WHERE WATER IS BEING TRANSFERRED AND PUT INTO THE SYSTEM, ET CETERA. THEY'RE PUTTING THAT DATA INTO THE MODEL AS WELL AS TIDAL FLOW, TEMPERATURES, ALL THESE OTHER CHARACTERISTICS. AND THEY'RE RUNNING THE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS TO SAY, OKAY, IF I ASSUME THAT ALL OF THESE ARE PRODUCING THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF FLOW, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? MINIMUM FLOW, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THESE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AND EVALUATING. THEY HAVEN'T SHARED THAT WITH US BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THE SCENARIOS FIRST AND COME BACK TO US WITH THE RESULTS. WE ANTICIPATE HAVING THAT THIS MONTH, BEGINNING OF JULY, AND THOSE FINDINGS WILL BE PRESENTED JULY 15. >> Campos: SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING HERE AT THE 1.4 MILES FROM DISCHARGE TO THE HARBOR AND THE 7.2 MILES DISCHARGE TO THE WEST END OF THE CHANNEL, IS THAT -- LET ME SEE. THE INITIAL MODELING THAT WAS DONE -- DO YOU KNOW BY THE PORT, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT ENCOMPASSED? BECAUSE THE FAR-FIELD MODELING WAS ALREADY DONE. DO YOU KNOW HOW THAT COMPARES WITH WHAT THEY'RE DOING NOW? >> THE ANALYSIS THAT THEY PERFORMED WAS THEY LOOKED AT ALL THE BAYS AND ESTUARIES OUT TO THE GULF. THEY COVER A LOT MORE AREA. AND TO INCLUDE THE SHIP CHANNEL. >> Campos: THIS IS VERY LIMITED COMPARED TO WHAT THE PORT DID. AND THE PORT ALREADY, YOU KNOW, HAS COME OUT PUBLICLY AND STATED THAT THEY'RE NOT IN SUPPORT. THEY DON'T FEEL THAT THIS IS A GOOD PLACE TO HAVE A DESALINATION PLANT. SO I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN CONTINUE TO GO ON THIS PROJECT. BUT I GUESS WE'LL HAVE TO SEE IT THROUGH AND REALIZE THAT THIS IS NOT A GOOD PLACE TO HAVE A DESALINATION PLANT. ALL RIGHT. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN SCOTT. >> Scott: THANKS FOR COMING. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. I'M NOT AWARE OF A RESOLUTION FROM THE PORT SAYING THIS IS A BAD PROJECT OR BAD LOCATION. IF THERE IS, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT. DID THEY RUN THE FULL FAR-FIELD MODEL? I THOUGHT THE SYSTEM THEY HAD DIDN'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO RUN ALL THE DATA. YOU'RE TELLING ME THEY DID RUN A FULL FAR-FIELD MODEL? >> I DON'T THINK THEY RAN A FULL FAR-FIELD MODEL BUT THEY DID AN ANALYSIS. >> Scott: YEAH. >> RIGHT. >> Scott: AGAIN, SMALL WORDS, SHORT WORDS. SHORT SENTENCES. LET ME TELL YOU WHAT I THINK. I THINK WHAT I HEARD WAS BUILDING THIS MODEL IS A BIG DEAL. I GUESS IT TAKES ENORMOUS COMPUTER CAPACITY. >> RIGHT. >> Scott: IS THAT WHAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING? >> RIGHT. >> Scott: SO THEY CAN CHANGE THIS DIFFUSER IN THAT DIRECTION, RUN THE MODEL, AND THEY'LL MAKE CHANGES AND BE ABLE TO TELL WHAT THE IMPACT IS TO THE ENVIRONMENT? >> RIGHT. THE MAIN PURPOSE OF THE MODEL IS FOR THEM TO HELP WITH THE DIFFUSER DESIGN FOR THE DISCHARGE, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S MIXING APPROPRIATELY WITHIN THE MIXING ZONE. AND ALSO NOT IMPACTING THE INTAKE AREA, WHICH IS CLOSER TO THE MOUTH OF THE CHANNEL. THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, ONE, WE'RE GETTING BACK TO AMBIENT LEVELS. AND, TWO, WHATEVER IS GETTING TO OUR INTAKE AREA IS GOING TO IMPACT THE PROCESS. >> Scott: AND IT'S GOING TO LOOK FOR HYPOXIA, WHAT? >> IT'S GOING TO LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE CHARACTERISTICS THAT MAY LEAD TO HYPOXIA. SO IT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY LOOKING FOR HYPOXIA BUT IT'S GOING TO LOOK AT SALINITY LEVELS, OXYGEN LEVELS. >> Scott: LEVELS ARE GOOD, UNLESS THERE'S SOME OUTSIDE EVENT, NO HYPOXIA. >> THE MAIN INTENT OF DOING THIS MODELING IS NOT TO PROVE OUT THAT THE PLANT IS NOT GOING TO IMPACT THE SHIP CHANNEL. THE REAL INTENT IS TO PROVE THAT -- IS TO HELP INFLUENCE THE DESIGN OF THE DIFFUSERS FOR THE DISCHARGE. SO THAT IS THE REAL PURPOSE OF DOING THIS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE COMPLIANT WITH THE PERMIT. >> Scott: DO YOU WANT TO SHARE THAT WITH THE CLASS, YOUNG MAN? WATCHING BASKETBALL GAMES. YOU'RE IN TIME-OUT. YOU GO TO THE CORNER. WE'RE ALL INTERESTED AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT FIVE FEET AWAY WE THINK IT'S GOOD. TEN FEET WE THINK IT'S GOOD BUT NOW WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT 9,000 FEET AWAY . I HAVE NEVER UNDERSTOOD THE WHOLE PILOT CONCEPT. SO WHY RUN IT FOR A DAY? WHY RUN IT FOR A MONTH? WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE PILOT AND HOW IT COMPARES WITH ALL THE DATA YOU GUYS AND KIEWIT AND FREESE AND NICHOLS HAVE DEVELOPED OVER THE LAST WHATEVER X NUMBER OF YEARS? I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. I PERSONALLY THINK THAT -- I'M NOT AS PERSONALLY INTERESTED IN THE PILOT AS OTHERS ARE BUT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHEN I ARGUE THAT CASE WHY I SHOULD THINK THAT. WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US IS THE KIEWIT MODEL, THE IMPORTANT STUFF IS THE MODEL SOMEBODY CREATE. CREATED. IT WASN'T JUST YOU, ERIC, AND I AT A WHATABURGER THROWING NUMBERS ON THE WALL. WE ACTUALLY HAD EQUIPMENT. WE CAN DO IT. YOU DID THINGS BEYOND WHAT A NORMAL ACCEPTABLE MODELING PROCESS. I THOUGHT YOU HAD EQUIPMENT IN THE SHIP CHANNEL FOR X NUMBER OF MONTHS. CAN YOU JUST GIVE ME THREE MINUTES ABOUT THAT? >> YEAH. SO THE FREESE AND NICHOLS TEAM WAS BROUGHT ON BOARD TO DO, YOU KNOW, PRETTY EXTENSIVE ANALYSIS OF THE SHIP CHANNEL, LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, TIDAL MOVEMENT. LOOKING AT THE MARINE LIFE. LOOKING AT TEMPERATURES. SO THEY DID A PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE EVALUATION OF THE SHIP CHANNEL, WHICH IS A MAIN COMPONENT OF WHY WE SELECTED THIS SITE. WE HAD 21 DIFFERENT SITES WE LOOKED AT. THAT PLAYED A HEAVY INFLUENCE IN WHY WE SELECTED THE INNER HARBOR. PROXIMITY TO THE EXISTING NAVIGATION PUMP STATION, SO MIXING IT INTO THE SYSTEM. LOCATION OF THE SHIP CHANNEL ITSELF, AND ALSO THE POTENTIAL IMPACT TO THE ENVIRONMENT. THIS WAS ABSOLUTELY THE BEST LOCATION. BUT THAT WAS A KEY COMPONENT FOR US SELECTING THAT LOCATION. >> Scott: I THINK IN THE END WE JUST WANT YOU TO SPEND SOME MORE TIME AND ENERGY WITH US ABOUT THE PILOT. YOU KNOW, THE COST, WHAT DOES IT PRODUCE. I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, IF YOU RUN IT IN OCTOBER, THAT MAY NOT HAVE THE SAME RELATIONSHIP AS JUNE, RIGHT? BUT I ALSO THOUGHT THAT YOU'RE MODELING THIS MASSIVE MODEL THAT KIEWIT OR WHOEVER CREATED, ACTUALLY HAS A VERY ACCURATE REPRESENTATION OF WHAT THE ACTUAL DESAL FACILITY WILL WORK AS AND OPERATE. YOU'RE TIRED OF LISTENING TO ME, I KNOW THEY ARE. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, SO IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS, IF YOU COULD HELP US DO THAT. >> YES, SIR. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS. >> Campos: THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION OR JUST FOR INFORMATION. I JUST GOOGLED. IT CAME OUT OF THE KRIS STORY THAT THE PORT HAD ABANDONED THE DISCHARGE AND THAT FOR THE DESALINATION PLANT AND, YEAH, PUT IT OUT INTO THE GULF OF MEXICO. IT WAS REPORTED BY KIII AND CHANNEL 6. SO THAT'S WHERE I GOT MY INFORMATION. >> [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN BARRERA. GO AHEAD. >> Barrera: YEAH. I DO KNOW FOR A FACT, BECAUSE I WAS IN THE OFFICE, BUT THEY STILL ARE PURSUING THEIR PERMIT FOR LA QUINTA. SO THEY HAVEN'T ABANDONED THAT. SO -- >> [OFF MIC] >> Barrera: NO, NO. WE'RE DOING THE INNER HARBOR. SO WE'RE DOING THE INNER HARBOR. IT CONTRADICTS. I THINK THAT WAS THE WHOLE THING. THEY DID IT BASED ON LA QUINTA. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. AND THE MODEL IS FOR THE PURPOSE OF, IN MY TERM, CALIBRATING OR THE DESIGN. IT'S NOT -- BECAUSE OF THE FACT WE ALREADY HAVE PERMITS, TCEQ HAS ALREADY ISSUED A PERMIT, THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE SAFETY OF IT. NOW, THE PURPOSE OF, LIKE I SAID, I APPRECIATE -- SAY YES SO THAT WAY IT CAN BE SAID INTO THE RECORD. INSTEAD OF NODDING. >> I WAS WAITING FOR YOU TO FINISH. WE'RE FULLY PERMITTED. WE DON'T HAVE TO PROVE THAT THIS IS ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY. WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PERMIT, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE DOING THE MODELING SO WE CAN PUT A DISPERSION DESIGN IN PLACE THAT WILL MEET THE INTENT OF THE APPROVED PERMITS. >> Barrera: EXACTLY. THAT'S A PART OF THE PERMIT. >> CORRECT. >> Barrera: AND THE STUDY THAT WE DID WITH REGARD TO THE NEAR-FIELD STUDY, THAT TOOK -- SO I RECALL THAT TOOK A YEAR. >> WE DID ANALYSIS OF THE SHIP CHANNEL FOR OVER A YEAR, YES. THAT WAS ALL PART OF THAT EVALUATION. >> Barrera: OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> YES. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. I THINK THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. SO, BRETT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> UP NEXT WE HAVE LEFLIN CLARK. HE'S WITH WATER COLLABORATIVE DELIVERY ASSOCIATION. HE'S AN EXPERT ON COLLABORATIVE DELIVERY, LIKE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER PROGRESSIVE DESIGN-BUILD. HE'S GOING TO GIVE US A REALLY GOOD PRESENTATION ON WHAT OUR CURRENT PROJECT DELIVERY METHOD IS, WHICH IS PROGRESSIVE DESIGN-BUILD. YOU CAN DO A LITTLE INTRO FOR YOURSELF. DO YOU GUYS HAVE HIS SLIDES? >> MAKE IT SHORTER. [LAUGHTER] >> GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY. I PROMISE TO KEEP IT SUCCINCT. I RECOGNIZE THE HOUR HERE. GET THE SLIDES UP. EXCELLENT. SO I'M GOING TO JUST BRIEFLY TELL YOU WHAT THE WATER COLLABORATIVE DELIVERY ASSOCIATION IS IN JUST A MINUTE. AND THEN I'M GOING TO REINFORCE THE PROGRESSIVE DELIVERY MODEL IS DIFFERENT THAN HARD BID. AND SO PART OF THE MISSION HERE TODAY IS TO JUST MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL USING THE SAME TERMINOLOGY AND UNDERSTAND THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS AND SO FORTH AS YOU'RE EMBARKING ON THIS JOURNEY NOW WITH KIEWIT AND THE DESIGN-BUILD TEAM, IT'S GOING TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF HOW THE PRICING AND COST TRANSPARENCY COME IN. WE THINK TO EVERYONE'S ADVANTAGE IN AN OPEN-BOOK PROCESS BUT WE WANT TO EXPLAIN WHAT'S GOING TO BE COMING DOWN THE ROAD FOR YOU ALL SO WE CAN, YOU KNOW, SOCIALIZE THAT WITH YOU AND GET THE TERMINOLOGY STRAIGHT. AND THEN WE'LL TALK BRIEFLY ON SOME OF THE CONTRACTUAL MECHANISMS THAT YOU'LL HAVE AT YOUR DISPOSAL FOR APPROVAL THIS AND GOING FORWARD WITH IT IN DUE TIME. TWO MISSIONS HERE. GETTING THE TERMINOLOGY STRAIGHT AND EVERYBODY SAYING THE SAME WORDS FOR THE SAME THINGS IN THIS PROGRESSIVE DESIGN-BUILD THING. AND THEN UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOUR PATH FORWARD IS GOING TO BE AS YOU START DEVELOPING AND GETTING ACTUAL PRICING AND COST ESTIMATES FROM THE DESIGN-BUILDER. THAT QR CODE UP THERE, BY THE WAY, IS FOR THE WATER COLLABORATIVE DELIVERY ASSOCIATION. I JUST MAKE SURE, AFTER YOU SEE THE LITTLE BLURB ON ME, I'M AN EMPLOYEE OF THE ASSOCIATION, INDEPENDENT CONSULTANT DOING THIS. I DO ABOUT 30 OF THESE TRAINING SESSIONS IN FULL FORM. OF COURSE WE'RE GOING TO KEEP IT SHORT TONIGHT BUT WE ARE A NONPROFIT TRADE ASSOCIATION. WE ARE SUPPORTED BY ALL THE MEMBERS YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ON THE SCREEN HERE. OPERATORS DESIGNERS CONSTRUCTORS DESIGN-BUILDERS EQUIPMENT SUPPLIERS. AS A RESULT OF THAT WE GET IN A ROOM FOUR TIMES A YEAR. WE TALK ABOUT THESE DELIVERY METHODS AND WE ARE VERY CAREFUL TO HAVE ALL OF OUR MATERIALS REVIEWED BY OUR ANTITRUST COUNSEL SO THAT THERE'S NO HINT OF COLLUSION OR ANY PRICING INFLUENCE ON WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE'RE REALLY DESIGNED AROUND A MISSION TO DO THIS KIND OF EDUCATION. ONCE YOU'VE DECIDED TO USE PROGRESSIVE DESIGN-BUILD, CAN WE GET THE TERMINOLOGY STRAIGHT AND GET EVERYBODY FOLLOWING BEST PRACTICES FOR HOW TO DO IT SO IF YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE GOOD DISCUSSION AND DEBATE ABOUT THE PROCUREMENT AND THE PROCESS GOING FORWARD, WE DON'T HAVE TO STUMBLE OVER ONE PERSON CALLING SOMETHING AND NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT PHASE 1 IS OR PHASE 2. WE CAN GET SORT OF ALL THAT TERMINOLOGY OUT OF THE WAY AND TALK ABOUT THE BEST WAY OTHER OWNERS IN YOUR VARIOUS SEATS HAVE FIGURED OUT TO DO THIS. I WILL MENTION ANECDOTALLY THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE THIS SIZE AND COMPLEXITY ARE GOING EITHER CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT RISK OR PROGRESSIVE DESIGN-BUILD, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE BIGGEST ONES IN TEXAS AND THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. SO WHILE THIS ISN'T DESIGN, BID, BUILD, IT IS NOW BECOMING A VERY COMMON METHOD FOR DELIVERING PROJECTS. WE USE THIS LITTLE SPECTRUM IN OUR BOOK. IF YOU HAVE SEEN OUR BOOK, YOU HAVE SEEN US REALLY FOCUS ON THE TERM "COLLABORATION." THE POINT OF THESE DELIVERY METHODS IS TO ENABLE THE DESIGNERS AND CONTRACTORS TO TALK ABOUT THE VARIATIONS TO GO THROUGH THESE MODELS YOU HEARD ABOUT, BOTH FROM A TECHNICAL PERSPECTIVE AS WELL AS A COST DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE. AND FIGURE OUT THE NUANCES OF THE PROJECT AS YOU GO VERSUS THE MORE TRADITIONAL BID PROCESS WHERE IT'S ONE AND DONE. WE DO USE THE TERM COLLABORATIVE DELIVERY, PROBABLY OVERUSE IT. YOU'LL PROBABLY GET TIRED OF IT BY THE TIME YOU'RE DONE WITH THIS PROCESS BUT IT DOES REFLECT THAT THIS IS A STANDARDIZED METHODOLOGY NOW USED IN MOST STATES FOR MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS. AND PROGRESS DESIGN-BUILD, IN PARTICULAR, DEVELOPED IN THE WATER/WASTEWATER INDUSTRY MOSTLY OUT OF FLORIDA, WHERE IT STARTED, TO JOIN THE DESIGNERS AND THE CONTRACTORS TOGETHER UNDER ONE PAGE. SO WE USE THIS SPECTRUM OF DELIVERY METHODS TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THE VARIOUS PERMUTATIONS. I'M JUST GOING TO HIT TWO OF THESE FOR THE SAKE OF TIME BUT JUST REMEMBER ON THESE LITTLE CIRCLES THE OWNER'S GREEN, THAT'S THE CITY. AND THE DESIGNER AND THE TRADITIONAL DELIVERY METHOD IS BLUE AND THE CONTRACTOR IS BROWN. WE'RE REALLY GOING TO FOCUS ON THE PURPLE ENTITY UP HERE, WHICH IS DESIGN-BUILD. I WOULD LEAVE YOU WITH SORT OF ONE MESSAGE HERE, AS YOU'RE DEALING WITH KIEWIT AND GHD, YOUR DESIGN-BUILD TEAM, THE DESIGNER OF RECORD IS A SINGLE ENTITY AND SO WE'RE ALL USED TO TALKING ABOUT THE DESIGNER AND THE CONTRACTOR AND WE PROBABLY STILL WILL USE THOSE TERMS. WHAT WE'R >> WHAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT IS AN ENTITY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION AND ULTIMATELY SOME ELEMENT OF THE PERFORMANCE OF YOUR PROJECT. AND THIS IS IN CONTRAST TO DESIGN-BUILD, WHICH I ALWAYS THROW UP HERE, EVEN THOUGH I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY ALL FAMILIAR WITH HIRING A DESIGNER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES ENTITY AND THEN PUTTING IT OUT TO BID AND HIRING A CONTRACTOR, THAT'S THE TRADITIONAL METHOD. EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS IT, IT TAKES A WHILE, IT'S PREDICTABLE. IT FUNDAMENTALLY KEEPS THE DESIGNER AND THE CONTRACTOR SEPARATE. AND THAT'S BEEN THE PUBLIC WORKS PROCESS FOR THE LAST HUNDRED YEARS IN OUR COUNTRY, AND IT'S WORKED WELL, AND IT PROBABLY WILL BE THE MAJORITY OF THE PROJECTS YOU KEEP DOING. BUT FOR THESE COMPLEX PROJECTS, WE REALLY HAVE FOUND A NEED AND ESPECIALLY IN THE LAST 20 YEARS AS DESIGN-BUILDS BECOME PREVALENT FOR THESE FOLKS TO WORK TOGETHER AND TO TAKE JOINT RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE OUTCOME. SO THAT'S WHERE PROGRESSIVE DESIGN-BUILD EVOLVES, AND SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE JUST ONE ENTITY. YOU'VE ALREADY PROCURED THEM, THEY'RE ADVISER AS WELL AS THE DESIGN-BUILDER, AND WE HAVE THE CONCEPT OF THE PUZZLE PIECE BEING YOUR CONTRACT WITH THEM. BUT THE DOTTED LINE PUZZLE PIECE IS REALLY FUNDAMENTAL TO WHAT YOU ALL ARE GOING TO BE ENCOUNTERING, BECAUSE THAT'S THE TRANSITION FROM PHASE 1, WHICH YOU'VE STARTED, TO PHASE 2, WHICH IS BUILDING IT. AND SO TERMINOLOGY 101, PHASE 1, IF YOU FOLLOW THE CIRCLE COUNTERCLOCKWISE, PHASE 1 IS WHERE YOU'RE STARTING TODAY TO GET THE COST ESTIMATES AND ULTIMATELY APPROVE OR NOT APPROVE GOING TO THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE. AND THEN THERE WILL BE A SIGNIFICANT CONTRACT AMENDMENT. IT WILL SHOW UP, I BELIEVE, AS A CHANGE ORDER IN YOUR CONTRACT. AND IT WILL BE A CHANGE ORDER WORTH THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PROJECT VALUE HERE, BECAUSE THAT'S THE OKAY TO START BUILDING THE MAJORITY OF THE PROJECT. AND SO THAT'S -- THAT'S THE FIRST NEW THING TO RECOGNIZE IN YOUR RESPECTIVE SEATS IS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE GOING THROUGH THIS PHASE 1 PROCESS WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE PRICING DEVELOP, THAT'S WHERE THE PROGRESSIVE NAME COMES FROM. AND THEN ULTIMATELY, YOU HAVE A CHOICE TO MAKE OF WHETHER TO BUY INTO PHASE 2 OR NOT. THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE. AND IF YOU DON'T, IT'S CALLED THE OFF RAMP, AND IF YOU DO, YOU PROCEED TO PHASE 2 AND YOU COMMIT TO THAT NUMBER, WHICH IS VERY FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT THAN THE HARD BID PROCESS SO... AND, OF COURSE, YOUR OWNER ADVISER AND YOUR INDEPENDENT COST ADVISER AND STAFF WILL BE HERE TO COMMUNICATE THIS INFORMATION AS THIS JOURNEY IS JUST STARTING. SO -- BUT WE WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE HARD BID WORLD, WHICH IS THE TOP LINE WHERE YOU GENERALLY KNOW THE PRICE OF THESE PROJECTS AFTER THE DESIGN IS FULLY DONE, 100% DESIGNED, YOU PUT IT OUT TO BID AND YOU GET A NUMBER THAT YOU'RE EITHER HAPPY OR NOT HAPPY WITH. MANY PUBLIC OWNERS ARE GETTING A LITTLE STICKER SHOCK RIGHT NOW IN THE CONSTRUCTION ENVIRONMENT, SO PART OF THE REASON FOR MOVING TO THE DELIVERY METHODS THAT WILL BE THE LINES BELOW THIS IS TO AVOID WAITING UNTIL THE DESIGN'S 100% DONE AND PACKAGED BEFORE YOU SEE THE NUMBER. AND SO THESE METHODS CMR, CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT AT RISK AND PROGRESSIVE DESIGN-BUILD WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE USING LOOK VERY SIMILAR. THEY'RE BOTH QUITE POPULAR IN TEXAS. YOU'LL KNOW THE NUMBER ACTUALLY QUITE EARLY, LIKE IN INITIALLY WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH OR, SO AND THEN ULTIMATELY SOMEWHERE AROUND THE 2/3 LEVEL OF DESIGN, 60% DESIGN, YOU'LL HAVE A NUMBER THAT YOU CAN BE CONFIDENT THAT WILL BE WHAT THE DESIGN-BUILDER WILL BUILD IT FOR OR KNOW MORE THAN THAT, AND THAT'S CONSIDERABLY EARLIER AND STILL TIME TO ANALYSIS JUST THE TIME AND SCOPE IF THE NUMBER ISN'T WHAT YOU NEED IT TO BE. SO AT THAT POINT, THAT'S THE DOTTED LINE. THAT DOLLAR SIGN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SCREEN, YOU'LL GO BUILD THE THING, IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO SO AT A GUARANTEED PRICE, BUT WITH A CHANCE TO TWEAK THINGS OR SCALE THINGS BACK OR GO BACK FOR NEW QUOTATIONS, WHATEVER YOU DEEM NECESSARY TO GET THE NUMBER WHERE YOU NEED TO DO. AND THE BOTTOM LINE ON HERE, JUST FOR REFERENCE, IS THE FIXED PRICE DESIGN-BUILD MODEL, WHICH WAS THE WAY OF THE WORLD BEFORE PRO DWRESSIVE DESIGN-BUILD SORT OF CAME AROUND WHERE YOU WOULD ACTUALLY GET INITIAL PROPOSAL, AND THAT MODEL, KIEWIT WOULD HAVE PROBABLY ALREADY GIVEN YOU A NUMBER. BUT AS YOU CAN SEE FROM MAYBE YOUR PILOT PLAN EVOLUTION, THAT THAT INITIAL NUMBER SOMETIMES IS TOO HIGH BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW ENOUGH. SO THE SWEET SPOT IN THE INDUSTRY AND WITH PUBLIC UTILITIES AND CITIES RIGHT NOW IS THAT MIDDLE LINE WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO KNOW THE NUMBER AS YOU GO HERE AND BE ABLE TO FIRM IT UP HERE WHEN THE DESIGN'S HALFWAY OR A LITTLE BIT BETTER DONE. AND -- OR NOT AS THE CASE MAY BE. YOU GET TO MAKE THAT CHOICE, WHICH IS REALLY THE FUNDAMENTAL BENEFIT OF THIS APPROACH, IS YOU'LL SEE THE NUMBER EVOLVE, YOU'LL SETTLE IN TO IT, AND AS THE SUPREME COURT SAID IN A DIFFERENT CONTEXT, YOU'LL KNOW IT WHEN YOU SEE IT, WHETHER IT'S A NUMBER YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH TO GO BUILD IT. SO WITH THAT SAID, THE CONTRACT AND THE RISK ALLOCATION ARE VERY DIFFERENT FOR THIS TYPE OF PROCUREMENT. ONE OF THE THINGS YOU GET WHEN YOU GO TO DESIGN-BUILD, YOU GET A VERY SIGNIFICANT SHIFT IN RISK ALLOCATION, SO RECOGNIZING THE TRADITIONAL DESIGN, BID, BUILD DELIVERY, YOU HAVE A SEPARATE DESIGN AND CONTRACTOR. THE DESIGNER DESIGNS AND THE BUILDER BUILDS VERSUS A SINGLE ENTITY MODEL WHERE YOU HAVE ONE CONTRACT WITH KIEWIT THAT INCLUDES THE DESIGN FOR THE PROBABILITY. SO THE DIFFERENCE THERE IS OFTEN OVERLOOKED, BUT YOU SHOULD REALIZE WHAT YOU'RE GETTING HERE. IT'S A TRUE BENEFIT. AND IN OUR PERSPECTIVE, TRADITIONAL ALLOCATIONS WHEN YOU -- RISK ALLOCATION, WHEN YOU BUY THE DESIGN SEPARATELY FROM THE CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS HOW THE VAST MAJORITY OF PROJECTS ARE BUILT, EVEN TODAY WITH PUBLIC WORKS CONTRACTS, YOU'RE BUYING A DESIGN, WHICH IS SORT OF BACKED UP BY STANDARD OF CARE OF THE DESIGNER DOING THE BEST THAT ANOTHER DESIGNER WOULD DO, AND YOU'RE BUYING A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT TO BUILD THAT DESIGN, BUT THE TWO NEVER MERGE TOGETHER, AND SO WHEN THE -- WHEN OR IF THE PROJECT DOESN'T FUNCTION EXACTLY AS YOU WOULD EXPECT, REALLY THERE'S A LOT OF FINGER POINTING AND IT ULTIMATELY COMES BACK TO YOU ALL, OR TO THE CITY, TO FIGURE OUT WHY IT'S NOT WORKING, AD THEN FIGURE OUT WHO SHOULD MAKE YOU WHOLE, IF IT'S POSSIBLE, FOR WHETHER IT WAS A DESIGN PROBLEM OR CONSTRUCTION PROBLEM. THE WHOLE -- THE PRIMARY BENEFIT OF GOING TO DESIGN-BUILD IN THIS RESPECT IS WITH THE SINGLE ENTITY, YOU CAN NOW DEVELOP IN THE CONTEXT OF PHASE 1 IN THE DESIGN PROCESS THE PERFORMANCE REQUIREMENTS THAT GO WITH THIS PROBABILITY, SO WHEN THEY DO ULTIMATELY TURN IT ON, YOU HAVE AN ASSURANCE THAT'S CONTRACTUALLY BACKED BY THE DESIGN-BUILDER IN THEIR RESOURCES THAT WILL FUNCTION IN THE WAY YOU BOTH AGREED UPON IT WOULD FUNCTION. THOSE WILL BE A WORK IN PROGRESS AS THE DESIGN IS DONE HERE, BUT YOU DO UNDER THIS MODEL HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SIGN OFF ON THIS BEING SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE OR EVEN FINISH OUT PAYING THE DESIGN-BUILDER UNTIL IT PASSES CERTAIN ACCEPTANCE TESTS AT THE END OF CONSTRUCTION, AND THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN WHAT YOU ARE BUYING IN THIS PROCESS THAT OFTEN GOES OVERLOOKED BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LOT MORE ABOUT COST AND COST TRANSPARENCY AND GETTING TO THE NUMBER, BUT WHAT YOU'RE BUYING FOR THE NUMBER WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT IS SOME ASSURANCE AROUND THESE PERFORMANCE CRITERIA THAT WILL BE NEGOTIATED AND SETTLED BEFORE YOU ENTER INTO THE PHASE 2 CONSTRUCTION, SO PRETTY SIGNIFICANT ELEMENT FOR YOU TO KEEP WATCH OVER AND TO MONITOR IN YOUR -- IN YOUR ROLES AS COUNCIL HERE, THAT YOU'RE GETTING SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN BE CONFIDENT AT THE END OF THE DAY, VERY COMPLEX MECHANICAL TREATMENT PROCESS SYSTEM WILL FUNCTION AS INTENDED AND AS PROMISED. SO... AFTER THAT RISK ALLOCATION, THEN THERE ARE SOME NEW CONTRACTUAL MECHANISMS THAT IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE THIS BEFORE WILL BE NEW TO THE CONTRACT THAT ULTIMATELY WILL BE -- OR CONTRACT AMENDMENT THAT WILL ULTIMATELY BE PUT IN FRONT OF YOU FOR APPROVAL WHEN YOU DO GET TO A NUMBER. THE FIRST OF THESE ARE THE PERFORMANCE GUARANTEES WILL BE PART OF THAT CONTRACT, AND THAT IS UNIQUE TO DESIGN-BUILD. AND THEY WILL INCLUDE A REQUIREMENT FOR WHAT THE FACILITY MUST DO. THEY'LL REQUIRE A METHODOLOGY FOR MEASURING THAT REQUIREMENT, SO YOU THINK THE DISCON ON THE PILOT TESTING IS AN INTERESTING DISCUSSION BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT CONCEPT COME BACK AROUND HERE AT THE END OF CONSTRUCTION WHERE THIS DESIGN-BUILDER'S GOING TO HAVE TO RUN THIS PLANT. THEY PROBABLY WON'T BE ABLE TO DO IT FOR A FULL SEASONAL YEAR, BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE A TIME FRAME WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO RUN THIS THING, IT COULD BE TWO WEEKS, IT COULD BE TWO MONTHS, WHATEVER IS ULTIMATELY NEGOTIATED, WHERE THEY'VE GOT TO MEASURE THEIR PERFORMANCE AND THEN SIGN OFF TO YOU ALL THAT IT IS FUNCTIONING AS THE CONTRACT SAYS. AND IF -- IF IT DOESN'T, THERE ARE SOME GUARANTEES, WHICH ARE GENERALLY FINANCIAL AND TIME TO BACK UP THAT COMMITMENT. AND ESSENTIALLY AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY'VE GOT TO -- THEY'VE GOT TO GET IT WORKING AS PROMISED IN THE CONTRACT TECHNICALLY BEFORE YOU ULTIMATELY SIGN OFF ON COMPLETION, WHICH MEANS YOU PAY THEM, RIGHT? SO IT'S ALL ECONOMICALLY DRIVEN, AND THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT CONSEQUENCE TO GETTING THIS THING TO WORK, WHICH, AGAIN, I'D STRESS PORE THESE COMPLEX INFRASTRUCTURE TREATMENT PROCESS PARTICULARLY DESAL, THIS IS OF SIGNIFICANT VALUE AND SHOULD BE OF REASSURANCE TO YOU THAT THIS -- THAT THIS GOING TO A DESIGN-BUILD PROCESS IS OF VALUE. SO HOW DO WE GET THERE IS REALLY THE REST OF THE PRESENTATION TODAY, BUT A COUPLE THINGS THAT ARE UNIQUE TO THIS PROCESS ALONG THE WAY IS THAT WHAT KIEWIT CAN CHARGE YOU, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT TIME AND MATERIALS ON THE PILOT PLAN AND AS THE COST HAS DEVELOPED, WHAT THEY CAN CHARGE YOU IS DEFINED IN THE CONTRACT AROUND WHAT'S ALLOWABLE COST OF WORK. SO THESE ARE TERMS THAT SAY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUY A TWO BY FOUR OR A YARD OF CONCRETE OR A PIECE OF REBAR, THIS IS THE DOCUMENTATION YOU HAVE TO SHOW US AND THE REQUIREMENT TO PASS THAT COST DIRECTLY THROUGH YOU, THIS IS BEFORE ANY PROFIT OR OVERHEAD OR ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE ACTUAL COST IS EVEN TALKED ABOUT, THEY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE YOU THE RECEIPTS, MORE OR LESS. AND THAT, YOU KNOW, VARIES ACROSS SUBCONTRACTS AND MATERIALS AND EQUIPMENT PURCHASES, AND SO UNLIKE A HARD BID WHERE YOU'RE GETTING A LUMP SUM NUMBER FOR A PAVING PROJECT OR BUILDING A BUILDING THAT WOULD BE A HARD BID TYPE QUOTATION AFTER PUTTING SOMETHING -- PLANS OUT TO BID, YOU ARE NOW SEEING -- YOU'RE GOING TO SEE OVER THE NEXT MONTHS THE COST DEVELOPED LINE ITEM BY LINE ITEM, INASMUCH DETAIL AS ULTIMATELY YOU WANT TO SEE IT. YOU KNOW, AND IT CAN GET PRETTY DEEP IN THE DETAIL, BUT THE IDEA IS YOU ARE ENTITLED TO SEE EVERY COST IN THERE WITHOUT ANY OTHER, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION LAYERING OF OVERHEAD AND PROFIT PUT ON TOP OF IT AS OF YET. AND SO WE CALL THAT COST QUITE INTENTIONALLY, IT'S NOT A PRICE, IT'S THE COST OF WORK. AND YOU'RE ENTITLED, AS I MENTIONED, TO SEE THAT IN AN OPEN BOOK BASIS, AND THAT IS ANOTHER PRIMARY DIFFERENCE IN PROGRESSIVE DESIGN-BUILD FROM SOME OF THESE OTHER DELIVERY METHODS, AND SO, AGAIN, TEEING YOU ALL UP FOR THE JOURNEY AHEAD OF YOU IS THE ABILITY TO LOOK AND QUESTION AND OBSERVE THE ACTUAL COST DEVELOPMENT. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ALL POSITIVE HERE, BECAUSE I'M -- IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF WORK, BUT IT'S NOT UNTIL THE END OF THIS PROCESS THAT THAT WILL BE TURNED INTO THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE WHERE THE FEE STRUCTURE THAT KIEWIT'S ALREADY GIVEN YOU AS PART OF THEIR PROPOSAL WILL BE ADDED ON TO IT, AND THAT'S TURNED INTO A CONTRACTUAL PRICE. SO WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING. PROBABLY THE BEST WAY I CAN DESCRIBE, YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING AT WHOLESALE FIRST, AND THEN YOU'VE ALREADY NEGOTIATED THE MARKUP TO GO TO RETAIL AT THE END OF THE PROCESS, SO THAT WILL BE DOING SOME MATH BASED ON WHAT KIEWIT PROPOSED TO YOU WITH THEIR FEE, WHICH IS ON THE SCREEN NOW, TO TURN IT INTO A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE AT THE END OF THE PROCESS HERE. AND -- AND YOU HAVE THE ABILITY, WE CALL IT THE OFF RAMP, BUT YOU HAVE THE ABILITY NOT TO SAY YES TO IT, RIGHT, ALONG THE WAY. SO ALL THE WAY UNTIL THAT PHASE 2 CONSTRUCTION NOTICE TO PROCEED OR CONTRACTUAL AMENDMENT, THE DECISION RESTS IN YOUR HANDS FOR WHETHER TO GO FORWARD OR NOT. SO THIS IS REALLY THE CORE OF OUR TIMELINE, THE BLUE LINE ACROSS THE TOP IS THE DESIGN AND PRECONSTRUCTION. THIS IS WHERE YOU'VE COMMITTED TO SPENDING SOME PROFESSIONAL SERVICES MONEY SO FAR, AND THIS IS THE COST DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN DEVELOPMENT INCLUDES PHASE 1B, I THINK IT IS, FOR THE PILOT TESTING. WHAT YOU SEE ON THOSE DIAMONDS ACROSS THE TOP ARE THE INTERIM DESIGN MILESTONES AND WHERE YOU SEE IT DROPPING DOWN INTO THE BROWN AREA IS WHERE WE WOULD HAVE THAT DOTTED LINE IN OUR CIRCLE OR THE CONSTRUCTION NOT NOTICE TO PROCEED. AGAIN, I EMPHASIZE EVERYTHING UP TO THAT LINE THAT DROPS DOWN TO CONSTRUCTION, YOU CAN TAKE THE OFF RAMP AND SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH THE DESIGN OR NOTHING, BUT ONCE YOU DO COMMIT TO THAT GMP, THEN THE PROJECT WILL GO BE BUILT. SO WHAT WE WANT TO EMPHASIZE ON THIS IS THAT THIS LITTLE FUNNEL, OR HORIZONTAL FUNNEL HERE STARTS OFF WITH A VERY BROAD UNDEFINED CONCEPTUAL LEVEL OF DESIGN. AND YOU'RE NEAR THE BEGINNING OF THIS. THERE'S ESTIMATE CLASSIFICATIONS UP THERE WHICH DEFINE FROM AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF COST ESTIMATORS, WHO WE WORK WITH, HOW MUCH YOU CAN RELY ON AN ESTIMATE BASED ON DESIGN THAT'S ON ONE END OF A SPECTRUM, ON THE BACK OF A NAPKIN, YOU'RE A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN THAT, BUT YOU'RE MORE TOWARDS THE LEFT HERE, AND ULTIMATELY THE DESIGN IS 60, 90, 100% DONE WHICH IS WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE IN A BID SITUATION WHERE A CONTRACTOR'S GIVING YOU AN ABSOLUTELY FIRM TWICE. YOU'RE GOING TO GET TO A NUMBER TOWARDS THE END OF THIS FUNNEL, BUT WE WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT THAT NUMBER HAS A LOT OF VARIABILITY. IT'S NOT UNLIKE THE CONFIDENCE LEVEL YOU MIGHT HAVE IN A POLLING PROCESS WHEN YOU SEE PLUS AND MINUS 3% OR IF YOU ONLY ASK A FEW PEOPLE, IT'S PLUS OR MINUS 20%. YOU'VE GOT A LIMITED AMOUNT OF DESIGN TO WORK ON UNTIL THE DESIGN IS DONE, AND SO THE REASON THIS IS CALLED PROGRESSIVE, IS YOU MOVE FROM LEFT TO RIGHT ON THIS TIMELINE. YOU KNOW, YOUR ORIGINAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGET AND THE NUMBERS YOU'RE CARRYING INTO THE PROCESS TODAY START WITH VERY LESS DEFINED DESIGN REPRESENTED BY THE RED LINE, BUT THERE'S A BUDGET THAT PREDICTS, WE'RE GOING TO COME OUT AT THE END OF THIS FUNNEL WITH SOMETHING YOU CAN AFFORD, AND THEN THERE'S A PROCESS TO GO THROUGH TO GET HERE. AND THAT'S REALLY THE MESSAGE I WOULD LEAVE YOU WITH TODAY IS THAT THERE IS A PROCESS. IT'S GOING TO START NOW ESSENTIALLY, AND IT'S WHAT WE FINFONDLY CALL THE SQUIGGLY LINE, WHICH I JUST PUT ON THE SCREEN. AND THAT SQUIGGLY LINE OVER TIME SHOWS YOU THE COST ESTIMATE, AND THIS IS TRULY THE COST OF BUILDING THIS PROJECT, IS GOING TO FLUCTUATE AS MORE DESIGN IS DONE, AS YOU LEARN SOME THINGS, YOU RESOLVE SOME THINGS, YOU PUT SOME THINGS IN, YOU TAKE SOME THINGS OUT, THIS IS A REPRESENTATIVE ONE. THIS IS NOT INTENDED TO REPRESENT YOUR PROJECT, BECAUSE IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET, BUT IT GENERALLY STARTS OFF WITH THE INITIAL NUMBERS COMING IN FROM THE DESIGN-BUILDER BASED ON WHAT YOU'VE CONCEIVED OR PLANNED FOR THIS PROJECT TO BE. WE INTENTIONALLY START FOR OUR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES THE SQUIGGLY LINE A LITTLE BIT HIGH, AND I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED, I DON'T HAVE ANY INSIGHT TO YOUR NUMBERS, BUT JUST TO FORESHADOW WHAT, MAYOR, MAY COME YOUR WAY, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME UP AND DOWNS HERE. GENERALLY, MOST OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN EITHER PERSONALLY OR THROUGH THE ASSOCIATION DO START HIGH. RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST A CRAZY TIME IN OUR BUSINESS, WE ALSO HAVE A -- YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT TO GO THROUGH THE PILOTING PROCESS, YOU'VE GOT TO FINALIZE THIS BASE OF DESIGN AND FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD, AND SO THE THEORY HERE IS THAT THERE IS A PROCESS AND YOU'RE GOI GOING TO AUGER INTO THAT PREFERRED OR ACCEPTABLE NUMBER OVER TIME AND THAT SQUIGGLY LINE REPRESENTS THAT LIFE CYCLE OF GETTING THERE. I DON'T DOUBT YOU WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT SQUIGGLY LINE THAN THIS ONE, BUT YOU WILL HAVE UPS AND DOWNS AND THE MESSAGE TO THE BOARDS I TALK TO OR WORK FOR IS TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A PROCESS HERE, AND IT IS ABOUT GETTING THE COST AND THE SCOPE RIGHT OVER TIME, WHICH IS THE ADVANTAGE OF THIS PROCESS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S -- AT TIMES, IT CAN BE A LITTLE SCARY OR YOU GO, WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON HERE, RIGHT? AND SO THERE IS TIME -- THERE'S A TIME FUNCTION TO THIS. AND DIFFERENT THINGS HAPPEN OVER TIME, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE VALUE ENGINEERING, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE YOUR OPERATORS LOOK AT THIS AND MAYBE ADD SOME COSTS BACK IN FOR RELIABILITY, YOU'RE GOING TO GET VENDOR QUOTES, THE ECONOMY'S GOING TO DO WHAT IT'S GOING TO DO AND POWER'S GOING TO DO WHAT IT'S GOING TO DO, AND EVENTUALLY, YOU'RE GOING TO SET SOME RISK AND CONTINGENCY NUMBERS. WE SEE THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PROJECTS ULTIMATELY GET THERE, WHETHER THEY GET THERE AT THAT POINT IN TIME OR YOU HAVE TO GO A LITTLE BIT LONGER WILL BE YOUR OWN STORY. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO TO THE DESIGN-BUILD CONFERENCES AND EAT RUBBER CHICKEN AT THE AWARDS DINNER WHEN YOU GET THERE, BUT PRETTY HIGH-LEVEL CONFIDENCE THAT MOST OWNERS GET THERE WITHOUT TAKING THE OFF RAMP. NOT GUARANTEED, BUT IT'S A PROCESS THAT HAS BEEN ADOPTED QUITE VIGOROUSLY ACROSS THE U.S. AND SEEMS TO BE THE TREND AT THE MOMENT IN TERMS OF PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, PARTICULARLY FOR WATER. AND THEN ULTIMATELY, YOU WILL IMPLEMENT A GUARANTEED PRICE. WE CALL IT A CONTRACT PRICE. THERE IS A CONCEPT HERE THAT MAYBE IT WON'T BE A GMP, IT COULD BE A LUMP SUM, WHICH WE'LL TOUCH ON BEFORE OUR EVENING'S DONE HERE AS THE LAST THING, BUT WE WANT TO EMPHASIZE, THOUGH, THAT DURING THIS ENTIRE PROCESS THE CONTRACT ENTITLES YOU TO FULL OPEN BOOK COST TRANSPARENCY, EVEN WHILE THEY'RE BUILDING IT. AND SO IT'S CALLED A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE IN THE BASELINE SCENARIO HERE BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T SPEND ALL THE MONEY TO ACTUALLY BUILD IT, IF IT GOES OVER, THEY'LL EAT IT. THAT'S PART OF THEIR CONTRACT, BUT IF THEY DON'T SPEND IT ALL, MAYBE PRICES GO DOWN, SOMETHING HAPPENS IN THE ECONOMY, THEY GET BETTER PRICING FOR EQUIPMENT OR THEY'RE JUST MORE EFFICIENT, YOU ARE ENTITLED BY DEFAULT TO THAT MONEY COMING BACK TO YOU, AND SO THAT'S WHY IT'S A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE, NOT A GUARANTEED MINIMUM PRICE. AND AT SOME POINT, POINT, THERE MIGHT BE SOME INCENTIVE OR SHARING OF THAT BUT THAT WILL BE UP TO YOU WHEN THE TIME COMES TO SEE IF THAT -- SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN THAT EVENTUALITY. BUT DURING THE SQUIGGLY LINE, YOU WILL GET CONSISTENT UPDATES FROM STAFF AND FROM KIEWIT ON WHERE THE NUMBER'S GOING TO REFLECT THAT SQUIGGLY LINE. SOMETIMES IT WILL BE A BIG UPDATE AT THE MAJOR MILESTONES AND SOMETIMES IT WILL BE A MORE INCREMENTAL UPDATE, WE ADDED A FEW THINGS IN THE LAST MONTH AND HERE'S THE IMPACT OF WHERE WE'RE GOING. JUST BE AWARE THAT THESE ARE ALL SNAPSHOTS IN TIME. IT IS GOING TO HAVE ITS UPS AND DOWN, AND IT'S NOT UNTIL YOU GET TO THE END OF THE SQUIGGLY LINE THAT YOU HAVE TO COMMIT OR YOU SEE WHERE THE FINAL NUMBER COMES TO. AND THERE'S A LOT OF BIDDING THE WORK OUT, KIEWIT WON'T BUILD EVERYTHING ON THIS PLAN. YOU'RE GOING TO BE BUYING EQUIPMENT FROM OTHERS, YOU'LL BE PUTTING WORK OUT FOR SUBCONTRACTING, AND SO THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF MARKET TENSION IN THE MORE TRADITIONAL SENSE FOR THE SUBCONTRACTS HERE, EVEN AS KIEWIT IS MANAGING ALL OF THE PRICING. AND THEN ULTIMATELY, WHEN YOU DO GET TO THE CONTRACT PRICE MILESTONE, YOU WILL HAVE A CONTRACTUAL OPTION AT THAT POINT TO GO WITH THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE OR A LUMP SUM APPROACH. BUT THE TIMING FOR THIS, AGAIN, WILL BE UP TO YOU AND THE COST CERTAINTY IS THERE, THE DESIGN CERTAINTY IS THERE. YOU FEEL LIKE THE CONTINGENCY IS THE RIGHT PLACE AND THE CONTRACTUAL TERMS ARE ALL IN THE RIGHT PLACE. AND SO WE SEE -- [LAPSE IN AUDIO] -- DIFFERENT POINTS IN THE DESIGN PROCESS. 60% IS WHAT WE USE IN OUR BOOK, BUT SOMETIMES IT GOES ALMOST TO THE FULL DESIGN, AND THAT'S -- AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE UP TO YOU AND STAFF TO FIGURE OUT, LIKE I SAY, YOU'LL KNOW IT WHEN YOU SEE IT, THAT THE PRICE AND THE SCOPE ARE IN THE RIGHT PLACE. AND THEN FINALLY, WE'LL GO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, SETTING UP THE PROJECT COST COMPONENTS, WHICH IS SOMETHING YOUR TEAM HAS ALREADY DONE. THAT'S REPRESENTED BY THIS STACKED BAR GRAPH THAT'S JUST A BAR GRAPH REPRESENTATION OF THE SQUIGGLY LINE OF ALL THE BUILDUP OF WHAT'S IN IT. YOU'VE SET UP A COST MODEL, WHICH YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOON, THAT HAS THE WAY THE ESTIMATE IS ORGANIZED. AND SO YOU SHOULD SEE A CONSISTENT PRESENTATION OF THE PROJECT COST THAT KIEWIT AND YOUR TEAM HAVE ADJUDICATED TOGETHER, AND YOU SHOULD SEE IT IN A CONSISTENT FORMAT AND ORGANIZATION. AND I'M SURE, HAVING SAT IN MANY COUNCIL MEETINGS DURING THE LIFE OF THIS LIFE CYCLE, THAT A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS FROM YOU ALL ARE GOING TO BE WHAT'S CHANGED FROM THE LAST TIME. AND SO THIS IS SET UP SO THAT YOU CAN -- YOU CAN -- SO THAT STAFF CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION. HERE'S WHAT'S CHANGED, HERE'S WHY SOME THINGS WENT UP, HERE'S WHY SOME THINGS WENT DOWN RIGHT? AND SO THE IDEA IS YOU CAN -- YOU CAN SEE THAT TRANSPARENTLY EVALUATE YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU THINK THAT'S GOOD, BAD OR INDIFFERENT, OR PART OF THE PROCESS. AND IT'S ALL BASED ON THIS DEFINITION OF COST AND THAT BLUE BOX ON THE TOP IS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CONTINGENCY, REPRESENTED BY THE DESIGN GETTING BETTER AND BETTER, AND SO THAT GETS RUNG OUT OF THE PROJECT WITH DESIGN CERTAINTY. THE NEXT NUMBER YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IS AN EARLY BASELINE ESTIMATE, WHICH IS THE NUMBER ON THE LEFT, SORT OF THE INITIAL POINT IN THE SQUIGGLY LINE, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO SEE MANY INTERACTIVE ESTIMATES OVER TIME THAT ARE THE BAR CHART VERSION OF THAT SQUIGGLY LINE I SHOWED YOU. AND SO THIS IS WHERE THE PROCESS PLAYS OUT OVER A LONGISH TERM. AND THEN ULTIMATELY, YOU'RE GOING TO GET TO A PRICE -- OR A COST, AND THEN ADD THE DESIGN-BUILDER'S FEE ON IT, WHICH WILL BE IN ORANGE HERE, WHERE YOU HAVE A PRICE FOR THE PROJECT THAT YOU CAN AGREE ON CONTRACTUALLY. AND SO THIS WHOLE PROCESS IS, AGAIN -- I'VE SAID IT A NUMBER OF TIMES -- BUT IT'S OPEN BOOK AND TRANSPARENT, AND THEN YOU WILL HAVE A DES DECISION TO MAKE GOING INTO CONSTRUCTION WHETHER TO STAY THAT WAY OR GO TO A LUMP SUM METHODOLOGY, AND THIS IS THE LAST BIG COMMERCIAL DECISION THAT WILL COME IN FRONT OF YOU AT SOME POINT, THE GMP PROCESS IS A GOOD ONE. YOU GET TO SEE ALL THE NUMBERS. THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE OVERRUNS AND YOU GET TO KEEP THE UNDERRUNS OR SHARE THEM. IT DOES REQUIRE A BIT OF ADMINISTRATIVE WORK, AND SO A LOT OF OWNERS ON A PROJECT THIS SIZE DO THE MATH HERE AND SAY, I MIGHT BE SPENDING MORE TRACKING EVERY COST NOW GOING FORWARD THAN I MIGHT POTENTIALLY SAVE IF THEY COME IN UNDER, BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY TIGHT ON THE NUMBER AND WE'VE GOT A GOOD CONTINGENCY. SO YOU HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE TO -- AT THIS POINT IN THE CONTRACTING MECHANISM TO GO TO A LUMP SUM, TREAT IT LIKE MOST CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS ARE AND SAY, LOOK, WE'RE GOING TO JUST AGREE TO THIS NUMBER AND YOU GO OVER AND UNDER AND WE'RE GOING TO TREAT IT JUST LIKE A HARD BID AT THIS POINT. YOU CAN -- YOU CAN BE RESPONSIBLE, IF YOU GO OVER, AND YOU CAN KEEP IT IF YOU GO UNDER. THAT'S HOW TRADITIONAL CONSTRUCTION WORKS, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO TRACK EVERY DOLLAR FROM THAT POINT FORWARD. AND YOU MAKE THAT DECISION ON AN INFORMED BASIS WHEN YOU GET THERE BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE AND CONFIDENCE LEVEL IN THE NUMBER. IT WILL BE A COMMERCIAL DESITIONZ, A BUSINESS DECISION THAT YOU ALL MAKE, YOU'LL DO THE TRADEOFFS BETWEEN THE COSTS OF MONITORING ALL THE EXPENSES ON AN OPEN BOOK BASIS VERSUS THE RISK THAT THE CONTRACTOR MIGHT WALK AWAY WITH A BUNCH OF MONEY OR, YOU KNOW, HIDE SOMETHING DURING THE DELIVERY PROCESS, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES A RISK, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL MAKE THE DECISION WHEN YOU GET THERE. AND THIS IS ONE OF THE FLEXIBILITIES IN THE CONTRACT, SO JUST SORT OF FOREWARNING YOU THAT YOU'LL HAVE THIS DISCUSSION, STAFF I SUSPECT WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO YOU, YOU'LL SET THE CONTINGENCY, THE DELIVERY METHOD AND MOVE FORWARD. AND THEN THE LAST THING I'LL LEAVE YOU WITH HERE IS IF YOU DO RUN UNDER AND STAY OPEN BOOK, YOU HAVE THE CHOICE TO MAKE AROUND WHETHER YOU SHARE SOME OF THAT, INCENTIVIZE IT HAPPENING, WHICH IS USUALLY WHAT MOST OWNERS ARE DOING TO INCENTIVIZE SOME MONEY BEING LEFT OVER. AND, OF COURSE, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE THE OFF RAMP, LIKE I MENTIONED, ALL ALONG THE WAY. AND SO EVERYBODY'S INCENTIVIZED TO GET YOU A NUMBER THAT YOU CAN AGREE TO, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT COMMITTING TO BUILDING THIS PROJECT UNTIL YOU DO AGREE TO THE NUMBER. SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE PROCESS IN A VERY QUICK FORM. AND SO IF I WENT TOO QUICKLY BECAUSE I FELT LIKE Y'ALL HAD A LONG DAY, PLEASE CIRCLE BACK, I CAN GO A LITTLE DEEPER ON ANY OF THOSE SLIDES. TRUST ME, I CAN GO REALLY DEEP IF YOU WANT ME TO, BUT QUESTIONS NOW AND HAPPY TO FOLLOW-UP WITH STAFF ON ANYTHING LATER AS WE GO. SO... >> Mayor Guajardo: WELL, THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE IT. >> YEAH. >> Mayor Guajardo: WE APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION. I DON'T SEE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. >> NO QUESTIONS? WORE EVERYBODY OUT. >> Mayor Guajardo: NOW -- WELL, BUT WE HAVE IT AND WE'LL CERTAINLY REACH OUT, YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE HAVE ANY. >> YEAH. AND I THINK 82 ALL YOU ALL HAVE THE HANDBOOK, TOO, WHERE IT'S ALL -- >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. BRETT, YOU'RE DONE, RIGHT? SO NEXT AND LASTLY, WE'LL HAVE BRIAN SCRO BAR CHICK AND SNAPPER COME UP FOR THE 89TH LEGISLATURE POSTSESSION BRIEFING. >> Skrobarczyk: MADAM AND COUNCIL, BLESSED TO BE HERE WITH YOU THIS EVENING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> [OFF MIC] >> I DIDN'T, BUT I BROUGHT SNAPPER CARR, SO THAT'S -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS BUT. >> Mayor Guajardo: KIND OF SOUNDS LIKE A BEER. >> THIS IS OUR EFFORT TO GIVE YOU KIND OF THE SNAPSHOT POSTSETIONZ OF WHERE WE ARE IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS, AND THE -- WE'RE GOING TO -- THERE'S 32 SLIDES IN THIS. I'M GOING TO DO YOU A FAVOR AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL 32 SLIDES, AND SO WE'RE GOING TOE WALK THROUGH THEM FAIRLY QUICKLY. BUT DURING SESSION, OBVIOUSLY WE PROVIDED YOU KIND OF A WEEKLY POSTING WHEN ALL OF THE COMMITTEES WERE HEARING AND WHAT BILLS THEY WERE HEARING AND THE LEGISLATION WE WERE TRACKING, TRIED TO PROVIDE A WEEKLY MEMO, AND THEN FREQUENTLY BRIEFINGS TO SESSION. AND SO A LOT OF THESE LEGISLATION WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT AND SO WE KEPT THE PRESENTATION TO THOSE PARTICULAR BILLS, AND SO IN THIS OVERVIEW, WE JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A QUICK ANALYSIS OF THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION OVER 9,000 BILLS FILED AND JOINT RESOLUTIONS. A REMINDER, A JOINT RESOLUTION IS WHAT THE LEGISLATURE INTRODUCES WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO AMEND THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION. SO CITIES, INCLUDING THE TEXAS MUNICIPAL LEAGUE, -- [LAPSE IN AUDIO] -- AND IGR DEPARTMENT TRACKED OVER 2500 PIECES OF LEGISLATION. SO IF YOU DO THE MATH ON THAT, ABOUT OVER 28% OF ALL BILLS FILED DURING THE SESSION WILL HAVE SOME IMPACT ON MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS. OF THOSE -- ACTUALLY, I THINK THIS IS TYPO, IN EXCESS OF 289 HAVE MADE IT TO THE GOVERNOR'S DESK, AND THE GOVERNOR HAS UNTIL JUNE 22ND, TO SIGN, LEAVE UNSIGNED AND IT WILL GO INTO LAW, OR VETO LEGISLATION. SO FOR CONTEXT IN THE PAST SIX YEARS THE GOVERNOR HAS VETOED ANYWHERE BETWEEN 20 AND 76 BILLS, SO THERE MAY BE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF BILLS THAT WILL FOLLOW. THE STATISTICS ALONE DON'T REALLY SPEAK TO THE VOLUME OF WORK THAT WE DID. THE PROCESS OBVIOUSLY ELIMINATES MANY PIECES OF LEGISLATION FROM FINALLY PASSING, BUT OUR TEAM HAD TO DO A LOT OF WORK ON LEGISLATION, PARTICULARLY WE OPPOSED, OR THOSE THAT WE WERE TRYING TO AMEND, AND SO IN MY TIME WORKING IN AND AROUND THE LEGISLATURE, THIS WAS A PARTICULARLY CHALLENGING SESSION FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, AND I DON'T PREDICT THAT IT WILL NECESSARILY GET ANY EASIER. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN JUST A SECOND. I DO WANT TO TURN IT OVER BRIEFLY TO SNAPPER, JUST TO KIND OF REVIEW THAT OVERVIEW, AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO THE BILLS. >> THANK YOU, RYAN. MAYOR, COUNCIL, MR. MANAGER, THANK YOU. MY NAME IS SNAP PER CARR, I'M PARTNER GENERAL COUNCIL WITH FOCUS TO ADVOCACY, I KNOW WE HAVE SOME NEW FOLKS ON COUNCIL. WE'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH THE CITY AND THIS COMMUNITY FOR A LONG TIME, IT'S ACTUALLY MY 20TH YEAR OF WORKING WITH THE CITY. MAYOR LLOYD NEIL WAS THE FIRST MAYOR THAT WE WORKED WITH WAY BACK WHEN. AND SO WE HAVE ENJOYED GETTING TING TO KNOW THIS COMMUNITY IN A DEEPER WAY. IT HELPS US BE BETTER ADVOCATES FOR YOU ALL AND THE ISSUES THAT Y'ALL HAVE WHEN WE'RE THERE IN AUSTIN WORKING ON THESE CITY ISSUES. RYAN MENTIONED, AND WE HAVE THE NUMBERS UP HERE, I REALLY WANT TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO THOSE NUMBERS, BECAUSE AS CITIES, THIS, I THINK, TELLS THE STORY ABOUT WHY YOU HAVE TO BEEN GAINLED THE WAY THAT YOU ARE IN THE LEGISLATURE. THERE WERE 1200 BILLS THAT PASSED IN TOTAL THAT ARE CHANGED, 1200 AND CHANGE ON THE GOVERNOR'S DESK THAT HE'S CURRENTLY CONSIDERING. OF THAT, AS RYAN MENTIONED, 289 OF THOSE THAT PASSED DIRECTLY IMPACTED CITIES OPERATIONS, GOOD, BAD OR INDIFFERENT SO AGAIN TAKE THAT ASIDE. THAT'S NEARLY 25% OF ALL BILLS PASSED, ONE IN FOUR THAT HE WILL CONSIDER. THERE IS NOT A CLOSE SECOND TO THAT VOLUME. CITIES HAVE MORE BILLS FILED IN THE LEGISLATURE THAT DIRECTLY IMPACT THEM THAN ANY OTHER ENTITY, PUBLIC OR PRIVATE, AND THE NUMBER OF BILLS THAT ARE PASSED GENERALLY THAT IMPACT THEM ARE GREATER THAN ANY OTHER SEGMENT THEY MIGHT HAVE. JUST TO GIVE YOU CONTEXT, LARGE UTILITY COMPANIES, PRIVATE UTILITY COMPANIES TRACK 150, 200 BILLS MAYBE, MAYBE 10 TO 20 PASS THAT IMPACT THAT SEGMENT. VERY LARGE, VERY IMPORTANT. AGAIN, EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF WHAT Y'ALL HAVE DONE, WHAT YOU HAD ON YOUR AGENDA TODAY, HAS A BASIS IN LAW THAT Y'ALL ARE IMPACTED THE WAY YOU CALL THIS MEETING, THE WAY YOU SET YOUR BUDGET, ALL OF THOSE, AND IT'S ENCAPSULATED IN THESE CHANGES. THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. IN MY TIME OF WORKING OVER SEVERAL DECADES NOW WITH CITIES AROUND THE STATE AND THE LEGISLATURE, EVERY SESSION WILL HAVE ONE OR TWO REALLY BIG KIND OF MARQUEE ITEM BILLS, USUALLY SOME THAT WE'RE MAYBE FIGHTING AGAINST AT TIMES, BUT THERE'S USUALLY ONE OR TWO THAT ARE REALLY TOP LEVEL OF MIND. THIS SESSION, ACROSS BROAD POLICY SCOPE, WE HAD 15 OR 20 OF THOSE. AND WE COULD GO THROUGH. LUCKILY, AND FORTUNATELY, I THINK, MANY OF THOSE DID NOT PASS, BUT I WILL TELL Y'ALL THAT THEY WILL BE BACK, THEY WILL BE DISCUSSED AGAIN. I THINK COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ, YOU MENTIONED HB 19 THAT WAS A 20% HARD DEBT ISSUANCE CAP WITH NO VOTER APPROVAL THAT WAS VERY SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED, THOSE SORTS OF PROPOSALS WILL BE BACK. AND NOT TO JUMP TO ANY PUNCH LINES, BUT THEY COULD BE BACK SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, AND WE'LL GET TO SOME OF THAT IN A LITTLE BIT. I THINK ONE OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO MENTION, JUT JUST OUT OF CONTEXT, IS HOW YOUR DELEGATION AND REALLY, OF COURSE, NO LEGISLATIVE WRAPUP OR ANY OF THE ACTIVITY WE CAN TAKE WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT DIRECTLY Y'ALL'S DELEGATION AND THE WORK THAT Y'ALL DO WITH THEM. AND Y'ALL, OF COURSE, INTERACTED WITH THEM GREATLY, BUT YOU HAD A GOOD MIX OF VERY SENIOR FOLKS IN CHAIRMAN HUNTER AND SENATOR JUAN HINOJOSA, VERY SENIOR MEMBERS IN THE LEGISLATURE AND OF COURSE TWO NEW FRESHMAN IN BOTH CHAMBERS WITH 53IO LOBOS AND ANOTHER HINOJOSA, ADAM HINOJOSA. Y'ALL, OF COURSE, KNOW CHAIRMAN HUNTER CHAIRED THE CALENDAR'S COMMITTEE. VERY IMPORTANT, VERY PROCESS ORIENTED. HE WAS ALSO ON THE LAND AND RESOURCE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE WHICH WAS A VERY IMPORTANT COMMITTEE. THAT WAS A NEW COMMITTEE FOR HIM. PUBLIC EDUCATION, AND THEN SUBCOMMITTEE ON ACADEMIC AND CAREER-ORIENTED WORKFORCE, REPRESENTATIVE VILLALOBOS ALSO VERY EXCELLENT APPOINTMENTS IN HER FIRST TERM ON APPROPRIATIONS, LOCAL AND CONSENT CALENDAR, AND THE NATURAL RESOURCES COMMITTEE. VERY, VERY IMPORTANT COMMITTEES, OF COURSE, WITH A LOT OF SUBJECT MATTER THAT Y'ALL CARE ABOUT. SENATOR HINOJOSA, CHUY HINOJOSA, JUAN HINOJOSA WAS VICE CHAIR OF FINANCE COMMITTEE. THE BORDER SECURITY, CRIMINAL JURISPRUDENCE AND THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE SENATOR ADAM HINOJOSA WAS THE VICE CHAIR OF ADMINISTRATION, EDUCATION, STATE AFFAIRS, WATER AND RURAL AND AG AFFAIRS. AGAIN, THAT COMMITTEE GIVES Y'ALL -- OF YOUR DELEGATION VERY WELL POSITIONED, AND I THINK THAT IS ILLUSTRATED IN A LOT OF THE OUTCOMES. RYAN MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF TIME WE SPENT ON BEHALF OF CORPUS CHRISTI SEEKING DIRECT AMENDMENTS FOR Y'ALL'S UNIQUE THINGS, THAT COULD BE YOUR INDUSTRIAL BASE WITH INDUSTRIAL AGREEMENTS, THAT COULD BE COASTAL-RELATED ISSUES THAT ARE UNIQUE TO THE COAST, THAT COULD BE YOUR MILITARY-RELATED COMPONENTS. AND WE WERE SUCCESSFUL AND WITH THE HELP OF YOUR DELEGATION, AND WHEN WE IDENTIFIED THOSE OPPORTUNITIES, THEY WERE THERE TO HELP US WITH THEM. AND SO I WILL ECHO WITH WHAT RYAN SAID, IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT SESSION FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. THERE WAS A LOT OF VERY -- LIKE I SAID, MONUMENTAL POLICY DEBATES THAT TOOK PLACE, WHETHER THAT BE IN YOUR BUDGETING AND TAXING AND FINANCE AUTHORITIES, CERTAINLY IN LAND USE AND PLANNING, URYOUR NATURAL RESOURCES, WATER DEBATES AND WATER FUNDING, AGAIN, ALL MAJOR TOPICS THIS SESSION, AND A LOT OF THESE ISSUES WILL BE BACK AGAIN. AND SO YOU WILL SEE A VERY GOOD TASTE OF IT HERE THAT WE COVERED A LOT OF GROUND THIS SESSION, AND, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT COMMITTEE TIMES. COMMITTEE HEARINGS ARE JUST GETTING GOING ABOUT NOW, SO WE'RE READY TO GO FOR A COUPLE MORE HOURS. >> Skrobarczyk: OKAY. SO I WANT TO GIVE YOU JUST SOME PERSPECTIVE ON THE OVERVIEW WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BUDGETS. THE STATE BUDGET PASSED FOR THE BIENNIUM WAS $338 BILLION. SOME OF THE KEY INVESTMENTS THE LEGISLATURE MADE THIS SESSION. ONE OF THE ONES THAT WE PROBABLY CARE ABOUT MOST IS GOING TO BE THE NEW INVESTMENT IN WATER IN THE NEW BU BIENNIUM. ADDITIONALLY, THERE WERE SOME INVESTMENTS, A LOT OF INVESTMENTS MADE IN EDUCATION, WHETHER IN THE EXISTING PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM OR IN VOUCHERS OR EDUCATION SAVINGS ACCOUNTS. AND THEN THE ENERGY FUND, WHICH IS MEANT TO HARDEN THE GRID AND PRODUCE MORE THERMAL ENERGY GENERATION FOR THE TEXAS ELECTRIC GRID. SO I WAS -- I SPOKE VERY BRIEFLY AT THE LONDON BUSINESS ASSOCIATION A COUPLE -- I GUESS IT WAS TWO WEEKS AGO, AND I SAID SOMETHING -- BECAUSE THERE WERE LOTS OF NICE THINGS SAID, BUT IN REALITY, CITIES, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING AT THE TEXAS CAPITOL WITHOUT OUR DELEGATION. THEY ARE THE ONES WHO DO THE THINGS FOR US WHEN WE ASK THEM TO. ALL WE CAN DO IS PARTNER WITH THEM AND GIVE THEM INFORMATION AND ASK THEM TO REPRESENT US WELL. AND SO THERE WERE SOME HUGE SIGNIFICANT WINS, AND I CAN'T REALLY OVERSELL THE WINS THAT WE GOT OUT OF THIS CURRENT BUDGET. SOME PEOPLE HAVE HEARD, CHAIRMAN HUNTER'S DESCRIBED THIS AS A MONEY SESSION. I THINK THAT'S A VERY ACCURATE DESCRIPTION, GIVEN THE SURPLUS THE STATE HAD, AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE LEGISLATURE DID THROUGH THEIR BUDGET THAT ARE NOT HISTORICALLY DONE. SO I'LL JUST RUN THROUGH THIS LIST BRIEFLY, BECAUSE IT'S THINGS SPECIFIC TO THE COASTAL BEND. OBVIOUSLY CHAIRMAN HUNTER WAS SUCCESSFUL IN SECURING FINANCIAL RELIEF FOR SCHOOL DISTRICTS IMPACTED BY WINDSTORM INSURANCE. AS YOU MAY BE AWARE, SEVERAL DISTRICTS IN THIS AREA ALSO ARE FORCED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE ROBIN HOOD SYSTEM SO THEY'RE BASICALLY RECEIVING A DOUBLE WHAMMY, SO THAT $100 MILLION WILL PROVIDE CRITICAL RELIEF TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN THIS AREA. ADDITIONALLY, CHAIRMAN HUNTER AND SENATOR CHUY HINOJOSA WERE SUCCESSFUL IN THEIR RIDER TO SECURE $30 MILLION FOR THE RITZ THEATER THROUGH THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION, SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN ANY OTHER PROJECTS IN THE BUDGET. THAT SPEAKS TO THE SENIORITY OF YOUR DELEGATE. IT'S A GREAT INVESTMENT IN OUR DOWNTOWN. THE TEXAS SCWAIT AQUARIUM RECEIVING ADDITIONAL FUNDING, WE KNOW WITH THEIR EXPANSION PLANS THEY NEED THAT $2 MILLION WILL BE WELL USED. THIS SESSION REPRESENTED A FIRST IN MANY REGARDS WHEN IT COMES TO COMMUNITY PROJECTS BEING FUNDED BY THE LEGISLATURE. ONE THING THAT WE CONSISTENTLY MONITORED THROUGH THE FIRST FEW MONTHS OF THE SESSION IN THE ENVIRONMENT WHERE THIS LEGISLATION WAS TALKING ABOUT HISTORIC INVESTMENTS IN WATER WAS THE POSSIBILITY OF DIRECT APPROPRIATIONS. AND THE SENATE HAS A DIFFERENT DEADLINE THAN THE HOUSE, AND SO WHEN WE WERE WORKING WITH OUR DELEGATION, OBVIOUSLY CHUY HINOJOSA AS VICE CHAIRMAN OF SENATE FINANCE HAD A LIFELINE INTO WHERE THAT COMMITTEE WAS AND REPRESENTATIVE VILLALOBOS ON THE APPROPRIATIONS AND IN PARTICULAR ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE THAT DEALS WITH WATER, WE WERE IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION SPEAKING WITH THEM FOR AT LEAST THE LAST DECADE IS NOT SOMETHING THEY'VE NORMALLY DONE. BARRING MAYBE A FEW PROJECTS IN THE BUDGET CHAIR'S PERSONS DISTRICT. HOWEVER DURING THE APPROPRIATION PROCESS THERE WAS A REALIZATION BY OUR DELEGATION IN PARTICULAR REP VILLALOBOS ON THE HOUSE SIDE OF THE MAGNITUDE OF THE NUMBER OF REQUESTS BEING SUBMITTED FOR INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS, SO WORKING WITH HER, SHE REQUESTED INFORMATION FOR A RIDER ON EMERGENCY SUPPLY PROJECTS SO THAT IT COULD BE COMPETITIVE IN THE SCOPE OF THE OTHER PROJECTS BEING SUBMITTED AND WORKED WITH OUR STAFF AND CCW TO OUTLINE WHAT THAT RIDER WAS. SO AS I REPORTED TO THE COUNCIL DURING SESSION, THE RIDER WAS ORIGINALLY LEFT UNFUNDED, PUT IT IN WHAT IS CALLED ARTICLE 11 IN THE BUDGET FOR $50 MILLION BUT IT HAD NO MONEY ATTACHED TO IT. SO THROUGH THE WORK OF THE DELEGATION REPRESENTATIVE VILLALOBOS ON THE HOUSE SIDE WAS ABLE TO SECURE $46 MILLION FOR THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI CHRISTY'S EMERGENCY WATER SUPPLY PROBABILITY, 30 MILLION FOR THE NUECES AND 16 MILLION FOR THE MARY RHODES PIPELINE PROJECT. WE HAD TO OBVIOUSLY WORK THROUGH THE HOUSE SIDE USING OUR HOUSE MEMBERS AND THE DELEGATION, THEIR LEADERSHIP THERE, THEIR INVOLVEMENT ON THE CITIES THERE, WE SPOKE TO CHUY HINOJOSA'S VICE CHAIR FINANCE WHEN IT GOT TO THE SENATE WE COULD TRY TO KEEP IT THERE, BUT HOW THE PROCESS WORKS IT GOES INTO A CONFERENCE COMMITTEE WHERE A LOT OF THE REAL DECISIONS WERE MADE. HAVING BEEN PUT INTO THE BUDGET ORIGINALLY WAS AN IMPORTANT STEP ALTHOUGH WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY FUNDING, OUR DELEGATION WAS ABLE TO WORK WITH LEADERSHIP TO GET THAT FUNDING WHEN THE BILL FINALLY CAME OUT. AND SO IN ADDITION, WE DID SEE A $10 MILLION INCREASE TO DEAAG, WHICH IS THE DEFENSE ECONOMIC ADJUSTMENT, ECONOMIC GRAND PROGRAM, IT'S FOR MILITARY INSTALLATIONS. THE EXACT ACRONYM ESCAPES ME, BUT WE'VE USED THIS MANY TIMES IN THE COMMUNITY, AND THE INCREASE IN THAT MEANS THERE'S MORE MONEY TO BE ABLE TO DO EITHER DO MORE PROJECTS -- IT'S A COMPETITIVE GRANT PROCESS, HOPEFULLY WE'D BE MORE SUCCESSFUL OR THE TEXAS MILITARY PREPAREDNESS COMMISSION CAN CHOOSE TO DO PROJECTS OF HIGHER VALUE, MEANING WE CAN TAKE ON LARGER GRANT PROJECTS. OKAY. SO TWIA WINDSTORM INSURANCE REFORM, CHAIRMAN HUNTER LED THIS EFFORT AND I DID ALREADY SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL ABOUT THIS DURING SOME OF THE UPDATES AND REALITY IS, TWIA WAS TAKING OUT PUBLIC SECURITIES IN ORDER TO BACK UP THEIR CATASTROPHIC EXCESS LOSSES AND WHAT THEY WERE ABLE TO DO IS SECURE A BILLION DOLLARS OUT OF THE RAINY DAY FUND OR ECONOMIC STABILIZATION FUND. IT'S CHEAPER, PROVIDES BETTER -- OR -- THAT CHEAPER FINANCING WILL LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF RATE INCREASES WE HAVE TO SEE AND IT BROADENS A CATASTROPHE SURCHARGE TO PAY BACK THE STATED CREATING THAT STATEWIDE PULL WE'VE BEEN WORKING FOR FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. THE PROJECT FINANCE ZONE. THIS WAS A COMPLICATED ONE THIS SESSION BECAUSE ALL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOLS WERE PRETTY HEAVILY SCRUTINIZED. WE DID WORK WITH SENATOR CHUY HINOJOSA AND REPRESENTATIVE VILLALOBOS CONSIDERING THE PROJECTS IN THEIR DISTRICT TO GET LANGUAGE INITIALLY FILED AND WE WORKED WITH THE TEXAS COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE TO MAKE SOME TWEAKS TO THAT LANGUAGE. THE SENATE BILL WAS HEARD IN COMMITTEE AND VOTED OUT, SENT TO THE SENATE FOR. UNFORTUNATELY AT THAT TIME DURING SESSION IT NEEDED A CERTAIN NUMBER OF VOTES TO BE RECOGNIZED AND IT COULDN'T ACHIEVE THAT. THE H HOUSE BILL FACED SOME PRETTY SERIOUS OPPOSITION. WHEN WE MET WITH HER OFFICE, THEY INDICATED THAT LIKELY NO PROJECT FINANCE ZONE LEGISLATION WOULD PASS THIS SESSION. SO THE MAYOR CAN PROBABLY RECALL THIS MOMENT, BUT IT WAS A PRETTY SURREAL MOMENT FOR ME. WE HAPPENED TO BE AT THE CAPITOL TALKING WITH CHAIRMAN HUNTER AT THE TIME THAT ANOTHER SENIOR MEMBER CHAIRMAN KRAD DOCK CAME IN NEEDING BILLS PLACED ON THE CALENDAR'S COMMITTEE. AND IT WAS IN THAT MOMENT THAT REPRESENTATIVE HUNTER BASICALLY STRUCK A DEAL AND ALLOWED US TO CATCH A RIDE AS AN AMENDMENT FOR OUR LANGUAGE THAT AMENDS OUR PROJECT FINANCE ZONE ON A BILL THAT ULTIMATELY DID PASS AND HAS MADE IT TO THE GOVERNOR'S DESK AT THIS POINT. SO IT'S A BILL THAT ESTABLISHES A PROJECT FINANCING ZONE FOR THE CITY OF LUBBOCK AND THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI CAUGHT A RIDE ON THAT, AND SO VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE HAD THAT HAPPEN. AND IT WAS DONE LITERALLY AS QUICKLY AS THIS. SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO -- IF THAT BILL IS SIGNED INTO LAW AND GOES INTO EFFECT ON THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF SEPTEMBER 1, BE ABLE TO REESDESIGNATE A ZONE THAT IS ENTIRELY ON LAND. THE EXTHE AS COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE ESTIMATES THAT THAT WILL -- SHOULD INCREASE APPROXIMATELY 83.4 MILLION ADDITIONAL DOLLARS TO STAY IN CORPUS CHRISTI OVER THE 30-YEAR PERIOD. AND SO A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE ON OUR EXISTING PFZ ZONE, AND SO THAT MONEY BEING ABLE TO BE USED FOR THE DESIGNATED PROJECT IS A BIG WIN FOR THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI. >> BACK ON THE PROJECT ZONE FINANCING, RYAN MENTIONED THIS, ONE, CHAIRMAN HUNTER PLAYED A HUGE ROLE, AND AS THE MAYOR WAS AT THAT MEETING AND ENSURING -- I THINK THAT SHOWS SOME OF THE BENEFIT WORKING WITH ANOTHER SENIOR MEMBER TO GET THESE DONE. THESE OVERALL, I EXPECT AND MY BUSINESS PARTNER WORKS IN THIS SPACE A GREAT DEAL, WE EXPECT THERE TO BE A LOT OF SCRUTINY ON THIS PROGRAM, NOT Y'ALL'S IN PARTICULAR, BUT THIS PROGRAM AS A WHOLE. THERE WERE MULTIPLE OTHER CITIES AND VERY HIGH-PROFILE PROJECTS THAT WERE SEEKING PROJECT FINANCE ZONES, AND THOSE DID NOT PASS. AND IT BECAME KIND OF A VERY PUBLIC SPOTLIGHT ON SOME OF THAT ECONOMIC TOOL, AND SO WE EXPECT OVER THE INTERIM, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT TOOL AND THE BENEFIT IN THIS AND IN THE QUALIFIED HOTEL PROGRAM WHICH Y'ALL ARE ALSO AVAILABLE TO USE AS WELL. >> Skrobarczyk: OKAY. SO LET'S TRANSITION QUICKLY JUST TO WATER. THERE WERE SEVERAL MONUMENTAL PIECES OF LEGISLATION THAT ARE GOING TO CHANGE KIND OF THE LANDSCAPE OF WATER SUPPLY FINANCING COMING OUT OF THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION. SENATE BILL SEVEN AND HJR7, STARTING WITH THAT, IN NOVEMBER THE VOTERS WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEDICATE A BILLION DOLLARS FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS FOR WATER IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. AND THAT MONEY WILL BE AVAILABLE IN YEARS GOING FORWARD. SENATE BILL 7 IS THE MECHANISM BY WHICH THAT MONEY, IF DEDICATED, WILL BE UTILIZED. AND SO IT REFORMED THE TEXAS WATER FUND, WHICH FOR OUR PURPOSES TODAY, I'M JUST GOING TO DESCRIBE AS THE UMBRELLA ACCOUNT THAT THE WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD USES TO PUT IN THEIR DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. MONEY GOES INTO THAT ACCOUNT AND THEY'RE ABLE TO PUT IT WHERE THEY SEE THE NEED. THE LEGISLATURE WAS SOMEWHAT PRESCRIPTIVE IN HOW THEY WANTED THIS MONEY DEDICATED, AND SO IT DEDICATES 50% TO THAT OVERALL FUND AND THE OTHER 50% TO SWIFT AND THE NEW WATER SUPPLY FUND FOR TEXAS. THE NEW WATER SUPPLY FUND FOR TEXAS IS LIMITED TO CERTAIN TYPES OF PROJECTS, BRACKISH, SEAWATER DESAL REUSE AND FULLY PERMITTED RESERVOIRS, JUST TO NAME A FEW. AND SO IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE LEGISLATURE ALSO APPROPRIATED 2.5 BILLION FOR THIS BIENNIUM THROUGH WHAT'S CALLED THE SUPPLEMENTAL BUDGET. AND THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE LATER THIS YEAR. THAT MONEY, THAT $2.5 BILLION INVESTMENT INCLUDES 1 BILLION IN NEW FUNDING, ABOUT 880 MILLION IN FUNDING THAT WAS IN THE WATER FUND, AND THEN 580 MILLION FOR SPECIFIC PROJECTS OF WHICH 46 IS GOING TO THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI THROUGH THOSE RIDERS. ADDITIONALLY, THEY HAVE CHANGED SOME OF THE RULES TO ALLOW FOR GREATER FLEXIBILITY IN STATE-FUNDED FINANCING, POTENTIALLY ALLOWING PROJECTS TO GO OUT TO 50 YEARS. OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD LOWER YOUR PAYMENTS. AND SO ALLOW GREATER FLEXIBILITY AS PROJECTS SEEK TO BRING MORE EXPENSIVE PROJECTS ONLINE FOR MAYBE CUSTOMERS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE IN PRESENT DAY. ON DEAAG, THERE WERE SOME MINOR TWEAK WHERE THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE ASKED TO NOT HAVE THEIR STAFF SCORE THESE APPLICATIONS BUT JUST THE COMMISSION. THE CITY SUPPORTED THAT IN THE REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE, BEING THAT WE WORKED SO CLOSELY WITH THEM, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT EFFICIENCY HOPEFULLY SPEEDS UP THAT PROCESS. ON THE CULTURE REC AND TOURISM SIDE, THERE WERE SEVERAL PIECES OF LEGISLATION, PROBABLY MOST IMPACTFUL FOR THIS AREA ARE GOING TO BE THE BILLS BY CHAIRMAN HUNTER WHICH ARE GOING TO INCENTIVIZE THROUGH TAX EXEMPTIONS, THE CONSUMPTION AND PRODUCTION OF FARM-RAISED OYSTERS. THESE INCENTIVES, WHILE THEY APPLY STATEWIDE, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE GROWING OYSTERS ON THE COAST, SO WE BENEFIT FROM THAT. SO VERY HAPPY TO SEE THAT PASS. ADDITIONALLY, THIS COUNCIL HAS TALKED AND ADOPTED A RESOLUTION LATE IN SESSION REGARDING THE FILM INCENTIVE PROGRAM AT THE STATE. THE STATE PUT $300 MILLION IN THE NEW BUDGET FOR FILM INCENTIVES, AND CHAIRMAN HUNTER CARRIED THE BILL THAT WAS A PRIORITY OF THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR THAT DESIGNED THE WAYS IN WHICH THIS PROGRAM WILL BE USED. AND THERE WILL PROBABLY BE SOME REAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR THIS AREA TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT. I KNOW WE'VE TALKED TO SEVERAL COUNCILMEMBERS THAT REACHED OUT ABOUT THIS BILL AS IT WAS MOVING THROUGH THE PROCESS. HAVING A FILM COMMISSION POSITIONS US TO HOPEFULLY GETTING A LOT OF THOSE PIECES ON THE GROUND TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT. THERE ARE SOME BONUS PAYMENTS THAT CAN BE MADE AS REIMBURSEMENTS TO THESE PRODUCTIONS. WHEN THEY HAPPEN IN TEXAS, THEY HAVE TO PORTRAY TEXAS IN A GOOD AND POSITIVE LIGHT, YOU CAN GET BONUS BY USING HERITAGE SITES, FILM LOCATIONS, VETERANS, SO HAVING SOME TEXAS HERITAGE SITES OURSELVES HOPEFUL LIVE WE'LL BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT I KNOW WE'LL BE WORKING WITH CHAIRMAN HUNTER'S OFFICE TO MAXIMIZE THE POTENTIAL OF THAT. HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATIONS REALLY CAME UNDER A SPOTLIGHT. I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH COUNCIL ALREADY, SEVERAL YEARS AGO PROJECT, FINANCING CORPORATIONS WERE WHERE THE STATE SAW A LOT OF ABUSE GOING ON WITH ENTITIES NOT REALLY PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND CREATING THESE DEALS WITH DEVELOPERS AND PROVIDING THEM 100% PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION. THAT PROBLEM, AFTER THE LOOPHOLE ON PFCS WERE CLOSED, MOVED OVER TO HFCS, AND NOW THE LEGISLATURE HAS CLOSED THAT. UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK I READ A NEWS REPORT YESTERDAY THAT IN THE TIME PERIOD IT TOOK THE LEGISLATURE TO ADOPT AND CLOSE THIS LOOPHOLE, SOMETHING LIKE THE VALUE OF $175 MILLION IN LOSSES HAPPENED WITH HFCS RUSHING THROUGH DEALS TO TRY TO GET THEM ON THE BOOKS. SO WE'LL HAVE TO SEE WHAT THE LEGISLATURE'S APPETITE IS FOR RETROACTIVE THINGS. HOUSE BILL 21 ENDED -- EXCUSE ME, ENDED THE PRACTICE OF TRAVELING HFCS. CAMERON COUNTY HFC HAS TAKEN OVER $200 MILLION IN VALUED PROPERTY OFF OUR TAX ROLES, SO THAT PRACTICE WILL END WITH THE PASSAGE OF THIS LEGISLATION IF SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR, AND DAY OH, EFFECTIVE. ALREADY EFFECTIVE. SO THAT WILL STOP THAT PRACTICE AND SUBJECT HFCS TO CERTAIN OTHER REQUIREMENTS INCLUDING AFFORDABILITY METRICS. LET'S SEE. SO I'M GOING TO GET INTO LAND USE AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO DIVE SUPER DEEP INTO THIS. IN PARTICULAR, BUT THE LEGISLATURE LOOKED AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT LAND USE CONSIDERATIONS, NOT SO MUCH ON SENATE BILL 1844, BL BUT AS I'VE TALKED IN OUR PRECESSION BRIEFING, THERE WAS THIS BIG PUSH BY CERTAIN THINK TANKS TO LOOK AT HOUSING AFFORDABILITY THROUGH THE METRIC OF THE COST OF THE LAND BEING THE BIGGEST DRIVING FACTOR. WE TALKED WITH SOME OF OUR DEVELOPER, AND IN THEIR OPINION THEY AGREE WITH THAT FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE, AND SO THE LEGISLATURE CREATED SEVERAL NEW PIECES OF LEGISLATION THAT ARE GOING TO IMPACT THE WAY THAT WE CAN APPROVE NEW HOUSING PROJECTS. SENATE BILL 1844, HOWEVER, DEALT WITH DISANNEXATION AND IT WAS THE RESULT OF A SERIES OF PROPERTIES ALONG THE RIVER OR -- IN AUSTIN, HOWEVER IT HAD A STATEWIDE IMPACT. AND FOR US, IT CREATED SOME POTENTIAL CONCERN WITH OUR INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT AGREEMENTS AS YOU KNOW, IF THEY DON'T ABIDE BY THE CONDITIONS OF THE AGREEMENT, THAT AREA CAN STILL BE ANNEXED, AND THAT'S A PART OF THE STATE LAW THAT THE LEGISLATURE HAS PROTECTED FOR SEVERAL -- OR FOR A LARGE NUMBER OF YEARS, RIGHT? GOING BACK, AND SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IDAS IN THE INSTANCE OF AN IDA, THE CITY STILL HAD THE ABILITY TO ANNEX THAT AREA AND THEY COULDN'T BE DDISANNEXED, AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE AUTHOR'S OFFICE AN GET THAT AMENDMENT IN THERE. AND WE FURTHER REALLY LIMITED THE SCOPE OF THESE PROPERTIES THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO DISANNEX FROM MUNICIPALITIES. THE CONCERN WAS, IF LEFT BROAD AND VAGUE, YOU WOULD SEE THIS SWISS CHEESE AFFECT OF WHERE YOU HAVE A CITY, AND INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS DECIDING THEY WANTED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF CITY SERVICES BUT NOT PAYING TAXES WOULD START DISANNEXING. WE WORKED REALLY CLOSELY WITH OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR BILL ALSO DEALING WITH ANNEXATION WHEN AN AREA IS ANNEXED, THE FIRE -- OR EXCUSE ME, THE MUNICIPALITY HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DECLARE ITSELF THE SOLE SERVICE PROVIDER FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES. AND A GROUP OF EMERGENCY SERVICE DISTRICTS WENT TO THE CAPITOL AND WANTED TO FLIP THAT ON ITS HEAD SAYING THAT THE ESD COULD DETERMINE EVEN WHEN THE CITY ANNEXED WHETHER THE MUNICIPALITY COULD BECOME THE SOLE SERVICE PROVIDER, CREATING AN OVERLAP. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH IN CORPUS CHRISTI, BUT THE REALITY WAS, IT WOULD HAVE TOTALLY PUT IN THE E IS. D'S HANDS THE CONSIDERATION OF WHETHER THE CITY'S SERVICE PLAN WAS ADEQUATE. AND SO OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT ALONG WITH A NUMBER OF CITIES LED AN EFFORT TO AT LEAST GO TO BINDING ARBITRATION TO HAVE A THIRD-PARTY DETERMINE WHETHER THE CITY'S SERVICE PLAN WAS GOING TO BE ADEQUATE. SENATE BILL 15, SO I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR, SOME OF THE COUNCILMEMBERS ARE, I KNOW, OFF THE TOP OF THEIR HEAD, BUT THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IN CORPUS CHRISTI FOR A RESIDENTIAL LOT AT OUR 4.5 AT 4,500 SQUARE FEET. THE LEGISLATURE THIS SESSION WANTED TO GO TO A REQUIREMENT THAT SAID MINIMUM LOT SIZE -- THAT A CITY COULD NOT REQUIRE A LOT SIZE LARGER THAN 1400 SQUARE FEET. THE LOT SIZE, NOT THE HOME. SO VERY SMALL, RIGHT? AND INCREDIBLY DENSE. DENSE ENOUGH FOR 36 UNITS PER ACRE. SO IT DID LUCKILY, AS IT WAS FILED, SAY THAT THAT WOULDN'T HAVE APPLIED TO ALL INFIELD DEVELOPMENT, THEREBY NOT CHANGING THE DYNAMIC OF EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS BUT IT WOULD APPLY TO 5-ACRE UNPLATTED AND ZONED FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREA. LUCKILY -- OR THROUGH THE PROCESS, OUR LEGISLATORS, AMONG MANY OTHERS, COMMUNICATED THAT THAT REALLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN LEFT UP TO LOCAL COMMUNITIES. AND SO WHILE THE LEGISLATURE WANTED TO TAKE A STEP TOWARDS WHAT THEY FELT LIKE WAS AN EFFORT TO SOLVE HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, THERE WAS A LOT OF PUSHBACK. I CAN SAY FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE ON THE HOUSE SIDE WHEN THIS BILL WAS ALREADY NEARING THE FINISH LINE, OUR HOUSE MEMBERS DID GET IN AN AMENDMENT TO ALLOW US AND THEN ALL OTHER CITIES TO HAVE AT LEAST 3,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS, BUT WE ARE GOING TO SEE A REDUCTION IN THAT MINIMUM LOT SIZE. AND SO IT WILL MEAN DENSER NEIGHBORHOODS WITH SOME OF THESE SETBACKS AND OTHER REQUIREMENTS AS THE STATE HAS LAID OUT, AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS WILL BE SOMETHING THAT THE LEGISLATURE KIND OF TINKERS WITH IN THE COMING YEARS AS THEY EXPERIMENT ON HOW HAPPY WERE COMMUNITIES WHEN THIS WAS ADOPTED IN THIS FORMAT. SO WE'LL SEE IF IT REALLY PAYS OFF IN HOUSING AFFORDABILITY. >> JUST ON THE TOPIC OF LAND USE BEFORE WE DIVE INTO SOME MORE BEYOND SENATE BILL 15. FOR ONE, ALL OF THESE THAT YOU'RE SEEING SENATE BILL 15, HB 24 THAT WE'LL BE AT NEXT, ALL OF THESE BILLS WERE LEADERSHIP BILLS, I.E., THEY WERE PRIORITY BILLS. THE ISSUE OF HOUSING AFFORDABILITY AND AVAILABILITY AND HOW THAT REALLY BECAME A DISCUSSION ABOUT CITY DEVELOPMENT PROCESSES PERMITTING AND INSPECTIONS WAS WHAT THAT HOUSING AFFORDABILITY AND AVAILABILITY BECAME ABOUT. THAT WAS A DESIGNATED EMERGENCY ITEM BY THE GOVERNOR AS WELL. SO THIS BILL, SB 15, IF WE GO BACK TO IT, ALSO ONE THING, IT IS BRACKETED, CONGRATULATIONS, YOU'RE IN THAT BRACKET, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS DEBATED BACK AND FORTH BY THE LEGISLATURE, AND TO RYAN'S POINT, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE THIS AGAIN. THE MOST DRAMATIC BILL, AND REMEMBER WE SAID THERE WAS A WHOLE BUNCH OF VERY HIGH-LEVEL BILLS, AND WE'LL GET TO IT BACK HERE, BUT BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LAND USE, HB 23, WHICH DID NOT PASS, IT PASSED THE HOUSE AND IT GOT ON TO THE SENATE IN ESSENCE WOULD BE BEEN A FULL DEREGULATION OR PRIVATIZATION OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT PROCESSES AND INSPECTION PROCESSES, AND THAT HAD A LOT OF SUPPORT. AND BY THAT THE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY WOULD SUBMIT THEIR PLANS AND SAY THESE COMPLY WITH YOUR RULES AND Y'ALL WOULD GIVE THEM A PERMIT. IT WOULDN'T BE THE PROCESS -- IT WOULD DRAMATICALLY CHANGE, A FULL PRIVATIZATION. AND SO AS WE GO THROUGH THESE, KNOW THIS TOPIC, ONE, IS GOING TO BE BACK WITH A VENGEANCE. IT WILL CONTINUE. BECAUSE A LARGE NUMBER OF THESE BILLS DID NOT PASS, BUT THE COMMITTEES THAT HAVE JURISDICTION ON THIS ARE VERY, VERY FOCUSED ON IT. AND I WILL TELL Y'ALL FROM OUR EXPERIENCE, AND THIS OCCUPIED A GREAT DEAL OF TIME OF CITIES, OBVIOUSLY IT'S A BIG THING, THERE WAS ALSO OBVIOUSLY A GREAT DEAL OF SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS OR TRADE GROUPS ON THE OTHER SIDE THAT PUSHED THIS. SOME THAT Y'ALL KNOW OF, THE TEXAS HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION, TEXAS, YOU KNOW, APARTMENT ASSOCIATION, ENTITIES LIKE THAT THAT ARE THERE, BUT THERE'S ALSO NEW ENTRANTS, A GROUP CALLED TEXANS FOR RESPONSIBLE -- REASONABLE SOLUTIONS, WHICH IS A FRONT GROUP. AND THEY WERE FOR DEREGULATION OF CITIES AND OF HAVING AUTHORITY. AND SO AS WE GO THROUGH THESE, JUST KNOW THIS IS ONE AREA, ONE, IT'S GOING TO BE BACK. TWO, IT HAS PRETTY PROFOUND AFFECTS ON CURRENT PROCESSES AND LOCAL AUTHORITY. AND IT ALSO -- AND I THINK WHAT A LOT OF THE PASSIONATE SPEECHES WHEN SENATE BILL 15 FINALLY PASSED, WERE THESE BILLS -- AND MAYBE YOUR COMMUNITIES DON'T KNOW THIS BECAUSE IT IS VERY MINUTIA, THESE BILLS, ABOUT DEVELOPMENT PROCESSES -- THEY HAVE A VERY SIGNIFICANT CHANCE OF TAKING AWAY RIGHTS THAT CURRENT LANDOWNERS AND CITIZENS HAVE TO BE HEARD IN THAT DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. UNDER THE NAME OF WE NEED TO GET CITIES OUT OF THE REGULATORY OR PERMIT INSPECTION. IT HAS A VERY HIGH POTENTIAL FOR NEIGHBORHOODS OR GROUPS WITHIN YOUR COMMUNITY TO NO LONGER HAVE A RIGHT TO BE NOTIFIED OR FOR Y'ALL TO HAVE AN ABILITY TO RESPOND TO CONCERNS. AGAIN, MANY OF THOSE DID NOT PASS, BUT THEY WILL BE BACK. AND THAT IS ALWAYS THE TENSION THAT WE SEE IN THESE AREAS. AND I JUST WANTED TO SPEND A LITTLE TIME PUTTING A PIN ON THAT FOR Y'ALL. >> Skrobarczyk: SNAPPER TALKED ABOUT THE FAK THAT CHAIRMAN HUNTER WAS ON THE LAND AND RESOURCE COMMITTEE ON THE HOUSE, AND THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THESE LAND USE BILLS CAME THROUGH. AND SO AS THEY MOVED THROUGH THE PROCESS, BECAUSE MANY OF THEM WERE LEADERSHIP PRIORITIES, THERE WASN'T REALLY AN OPPORTUNITY TO OUTRIGHT DEFEAT THEM, BUT WE USED EVERY OPPORTUNITY IN THE PROCESS TO TRY TO TWEAK IT OR SLIGHTLY AMEND IT. AND I HAVE TO GIVE KUDOS TO CHAIRMAN HUNTER IN THAT PROCESS. WE WERE ABLE TO, ON ALMOST ALL OF THESE BILLS, GAIN PROTECTIONS FOR THE CLEAR ZONES AND APZS THAT MILITARY BASES HAVE, AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE WENT AFTER IN THE ORDER OF PRIORITIES, TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT IF CITIES WERE GOING TO LOSE ANY FACET OF THEIR ABILITY TO CONTROL DEVELOPMENT ISSUES, THAT WE AT LEAST HAD TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THE STEPS WE'VE TAKEN TO PREVENT ENCROACHMENT ON OUR MILITARY BASES. THIS WAS AN INITIAL DRAWING DURING THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION TO KIND OF IDENTIFY AREAS THAT MIGHT BE SUBJECT TO SB 15. THIS IS NOT A FINAL REPRESENTATION OF, IN FACT, WHERE THOSE ARE, BUT IN TRYING TO PRESENT THAT TO LEGISLATORS, THAT IT DOES IMPACT CITIES LIKE THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI. HOUSE BILL 24 CHANGES THE ZONING PROTEST PROCEDURES BASICALLY MAKING IT EASIER FOR AREAS TO BE REZONED AS LONG AS THEY'RE ALLOWING FOR ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. IF THEY'RE INCREASING THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS THAT CAN LIVE ON THE PLOT, THE PROTEST THRESHOLD IS GOING TO BE MUCH HIGHER AND THE MARGIN BY WHICH COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO OVERRIDE THAT IS GOING TO BE LOWER. THEREBY GETTING RID OF WHAT WAS CALLED IN SOME CIRCLES AS THE TYRANT VETO OVER CERTAIN DEVELOPMENTS GOING INTO PLACES. SENATE BILL 840 IS GROUPED TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY LARGELY DEAL WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT OF COMMERCIAL SPACES , WHICH WE WOULD PROBABLY REALLY WELCOME IN THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI IN CERTAIN INSTANCES IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EXISTING HIGH-RISES THAT NEED TO BE CONVERTED FROM OFFICE SPACE INTO POTENTIALLY RESIDENTIAL SPACE. BUT THEY WERE BROADER THAN THAT. 840 ALLOWS FOR ANY ZONE THAT IS COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS BASICALLY ANYTHING THAT'S NOT RESIDENTIAL, TO HOST MIXED-USE OR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS WITHOUT A REZONING. WE DID GET AN AMENDMENT IN THERE THAT ALLOWS FOR THE CITY'S WATER SEWER STORMWATER AND BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS TO BE PROTECTED IN THAT PROCESS SO THAT AT LEAST THERE WAS SOME EFFORT TO ENSURE THE SANITARY CONDITIONS OF THIS TYPE OF HOUSING AND PUBLIC SAFETY, HEALTH AND SAFETY FROM THAT STANDPOINT. SOME OF THE PREEMPTION BILLS, WHICH ONE I BELIEVE WAS SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR TODAY. PREEMPTING CITIES FROM REGULATING HOME-BASED BUSINESSES. IMPORTANT, THE HOME-BASED BUSINESS HAS TO COMPLY WITH LOCAL LAWS. IT CAN'T HAVE A BUNCH OF CARS OUT OR BE A SEXUALLY-ORIENTED BUSINESSES. SOME CITIES WERE TRYING TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM HAVING ETSY AND THOSE TYPES OF BUSINESSES IN THEIR HOMES. THIS BILL WAS NOT A HUGE CONCERN. A COUPLE OF BILLS WHICH MAY IMPACT THE HEALTH DISTRICT, BUT REQUIRING UNIFORMITY AMONGST FOOD ESTABLISHMENT PERMITS AND LIMITING THOSE PERMIT FEES TO THE VALUE OF STATE PERMITS SO THAT IT'S CONSISTENT ALL THE WAY ACROSS. AND ADDITIONALLY ON MOBILE FOOD VENDORS, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A STATEWIDE REGULATORY REGIME AND LOCAL PUBLIC HEALTH AUTHORITIES WILL HAVE TO ENTER INTO AGREEMENTS WITH THE STATE IN ORDER TO BASICALLY DO SOME OF THOSE PROCESSES AND THEREBY RECOVER THEIR FEES. ON TAX AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, HOUSE BILL 9 CREATES A NEW PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION FOR UP TO $125,000. THAT CURRENT PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION IS $2,500. SO THE CITY IS GOING TO SEE A FISCAL IMPACT ON THIS IF COUNCIL DOES NOT APPROVE THE NO-NEW-REVENUE RATE. BECAUSE WHEN YOU REMOVE TAXABLE VALUE FROM THE TAX ROLL YOUR NO-NEW-REVENUE RATE GOES UP. IF WE ADOPT THE NO-NEW-REVENUE RATE YOU WON'T SEE A LOSS IN REVENUE BUT THIS PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION WILL GO INTO EFFECT. REPRESENTATIVE VILLALOBOS WE WERE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. A COUPLE OF ISSUES ON FINANCE . IN PARTICULAR HOUSE BILL 30 WHICH WOULD HAVE ELIMINATED THE ABILITY OF CITIES TO DEAL WITH THEIR TAX RATE FOLLOWING A DISASTER. WE GOT A FEW EXCEPTIONS IN THERE FOR FEMA DISASTER-RELATED CATEGORIES. IF WE WERE EVER HIT BY A MAJOR HURRICANE AND NEEDED TO RAISE REVENUE TO RESPOND, WE COULD DO THAT. HOUSE BILL 924, SNAPPER WORKED ON THIS AND TESTIFIED ON ITS BEHALF BUT ESSENTIALLY AS FILED IT WOULD HAVE ELIMINATED A LOT OF THE STREAMING SERVICES OR CABLE PROVIDERS IN THE EXISTING CITY RIGHT-OF-WAY. IT WOULD HAVE IMPACTED ABOUT $2.1 MILLION IN CITY REVENUE. THE BILL WAS AMENDED AND WE WERE ABLE TO SAVE THAT. MUNICIPAL GOVERNANCE, THERE WAS A BILL THAT I THINK CITY MANAGER ZANONI SPOKE ABOUT AND IT WILL CHANGE OUR POSTING RULES TO NOW THREE BUSINESS DAYS FROM THE DATE OF A MEETING, INSTEAD OF 72 HOURS FROM THE TIME OF THE MEETING. WE'LL HAVE TO RESPOND ACCORDINGLY. IMPORTANTLY, WE'LL HAVE TO CONSIDER THIS FOR FUTURE BUDGET CYCLES BUT IF YOU DISCUSS OR ADOPT A BUDGET, IT MUST INCLUDE A COPY OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET INCLUDING A PROPOSED TAX RATE IMPACT STATEMENT IN IT. AND SO WHEN WE DO BUDGET WORKSHOPS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, WE'LL HAVE TO GET SOME INTERPRETATION FROM THE STATE ABOUT DOES THAT INCLUDE THE REQUIREMENT TO POST AN APPROVED BUDGET. IT JUST HAS TO BE ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE WEBSITE BUT THERE MIGHT BE TIMES WHERE THE CITY COUNCIL WANTS TO TALK ABOUT A PROPOSED BUDGET AND DOESN'T HAVE THE PROPOSED BUDGET YET, IF YOU HAVE A GOAL PLANNING SESSION OR VISIONING SESSION OR MAYBE SOME WORKSHOP IN ADVANCE OF THAT. SO I'M NOT GOING TO DIVE THROUGH ALL OF THE BILLS THAT DIDN'T PASS BECAUSE OF COURSE THE LIST IS LONG HERE. BUT ONE OTHER THING. SENATE BILL 1173 WASN'T IN THE SLIDE BUT IT DID INCREASE THE COMPETITIVE PROCUREMENT THRESHOLD FROM $50,000 TO $100,000. THE LEGISLATURE PASSED THAT, RECOGNIZING THE EFFECT THAT INFLATION HAS HAD ON THAT CAP. AND SO THAT WILL BE THE NEW CAP FOR THAT THRESHOLD. HOUSE BILL 19 WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST BILLS THAT WE DO ANTICIPATE COMING BACK IN A SPECIAL SESSION. THE GOVERNOR HAS HINTED AT THE FACT THAT HE WILL PROBABLY CONSIDER THAT. THERE WERE THREE BIG PRIMARY CONCERNS. KIND OF AN ARBITRARY DEBT CAP AT 20%. DIDN'T MATTER IF IT WAS VOTER-APPROVED DEBT. IT DIDN'T MATTER IF THE VOTERS WANTED TO APPROVE GOING BEYOND THE 20%. SO THAT CAP WOULD HAVE CREATED A LOT OF CHALLENGES FOR MANY LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WHO, IN MANY PLACES ACROSS THE STATE, ALREADY EXCEED THAT 20%. IT WOULD HAVE SAID THAT IT WOULD HAVE ONLY BE DEBT GOING FORWARD, BUT THE REALITY IS THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A CHALLENGE GOING FORWARD. ALSO INCLUDE THE CALCULATION WITH SALES TAX OR IDA REVENUE. IN ADDITION, IT DID ELIMINATE THE ABILITY TO USE COs ON PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES INCLUDING EMERGENCY SHELTERS AND JAILS. SUPERPREEMPTION, IF Y'ALL REMEMBER THIS FROM LAST SESSION, THIS WOULD HAVE CREATED A PENALTY AND ADDED THREE MORE SECTIONS OF STATUTE THAT WERE SUPERPREEMPTED. AT WHICH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WOULD BE ABLE TO INITIATE PROCEEDINGS AGAINST LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. THEY WERE EXTREME. LOSS OF SALES TAX, WHICH IS ABOUT $9 MILLION A MONTH FOR THE CITY. LOSS OF ALL STATE GRANTS, AND FIVE YEARS AT THE NO-NEW-REVENUE RATE. THAT KIND OF REDEMPTION WOULD SAY IF THE AG SAID YOU VIOLATED A FIELD REDEMPTION, WHICH I'M NOT GOING TO DISCUSS HERE BUT IF YOU VIOLATED THAT, YOU WOULD HAVE THIS PRETTY AUSTERE PENALTY FOLLOWING IT. I THINK THE REST OF THESE WE'LL KIND OF JUMP THROUGH. LIKE I SAID, YOU'VE HAD MULTIPLE MEMOS ON THESE AND SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THEM, WE CAN CERTAINLY ANSWER THEM. SEVENTH INNING STRETCH TIME. SORRY. I DID SKIP FOUR SLIDES, COUNCILMAN. [LAUGHTER] >> Mayor Guajardo: RYAN, THANK YOU. SNAPPER, THANK YOU. FIRST I HAVE TO COMMEND YOU. FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS RYAN'S -- EVERYBODY MAY NOT REMEMBER BUT IT'S HIS FIRST LEGISLATIVE SESSION WITH THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI AND HE DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB. >> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. [APPLAUSE] >> Mayor Guajardo: AND I HAD THE HONOR TO WITNESS THAT. AND SO THANK YOU. OF COURSE, SNAPPER, YOU AND YOUR TEAM, Y'ALL DID AN AMAZING JOB. YOU'RE ALWAYS THERE FOR THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT AS WELL. THE HARD WORK THAT YOU ALL PUT IN. BUT, ANYWAY, REALLY, I WAS VERY IMPRESSED. RYAN'S VERY POPULAR AT THE CAPITAL ALSO. >> WHEN YOU WORK AT THE BUILDING FOR A DECADE, YOU'RE GOING TO KNOW SOME PEOPLE. >> Mayor Guajardo: IT WAS LIKE HIGH SCHOOL WITH THE QUARTERBACK OF THE FOOTBALL TEAM OR SOMETHING. EVERYBODY SAID HELLO TO RYAN AND TALKED TO HIM AND ALL THAT. THANKS. YOU DID AN AMAZING JOB. VERY IMPRESSIVE. THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING. I GUESS I HAVE BEEN THROUGH FOUR LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS. THIS WAS, BY FAR, AS YOU MENTIONED SNAPPER WOW. YOU TALK ABOUT WORK, AND THAT'S YOU. SO ALL OF THOSE UPDATES, YOU KNOW, RYAN ATE HOTEL FOOD EVERY SINGLE NIGHT. MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, I THINK, FOR WEEKS ON END. AND THE WORK THAT YOU DID TO KEEP US ABREAST WAS REALLY -- IT WAS IN THE LATE EVENINGS. WE KNOW THAT. I WANT TO POINT ALL THAT OUT BECAUSE I SAW YOU IN ACTION SO MANY TIMES AND I'M VERY IMPRESSED AND VERY APPRECIATIVE FOR ALL THE WORK. THIS WAS A SESSION THAT WAS VERY SERIOUS BILLS. YOU KNOW, WE WON SOME AND LOST SOME BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK THAT HAD TO BE DONE AND WE WITNESSED WHAT HAD HAPPENED IN CHAIRMAN HUNTER'S OFFICE. THEY ACTUALLY DID THE DEAL RIGHT THERE, AND THAT WAS ON THE PFC, WHICH WAS HUGE. ANYWAY, IT'S AMAZING HOW FAST THINGS MOVE OVER THERE. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT AND LET ME ALLOW MY COLLEAGUES TO COMMENT. COUNCILMAN SCOTT. >> Scott: I'LL BE QUICK. I WANT TO RECOGNIZE CHAIRMAN HUNTER FOR FILM AND TWIA. I HAD A CHANCE TO SPEND TIME WITH TODD ON FRIDAY. HE'S GOING TO GET PEOPLE LOOKING AT CORPUS CHRISTI. HE'S GOING TO BRING PEOPLE DOWN HERE INTERESTED IN FILM. I THINK THEY'RE INTERESTED IN FILM BECAUSE CHASING THE MONEY TO BEGIN WITH, BUT BECAUSE OF CHAIRMAN HUNTER, HE'S -- I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE PEOPLE WE KNOW. MY POINT IS IF THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO MATCH THE INCENTIVE PROGRAMS THAT CITIES LIKE SAN ANTONIO, HOUSTON, FORT WORTH, AND EL PASO ARE DOING, THAT COULD GET PEOPLE TO REALLY TRY TO DO PROJECTS. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT FITS, CITY MANAGER AND MAYOR, BUT IF WE COULD LOOK AT ORDINANCES THAT INCENT THE FILM INDUSTRY, I THINK WE HAVE A LEG UP ON EVERYBODY ELSE IN TEXAS BECAUSE OF RELATIONSHIPS. JUST WANTED TO GET THAT. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T REMEMBER A FRESHMAN LEGISLATOR GETTING $46 MILLION, AT LEAST FOR THE CITY OF CORPUS AND I WANT TO THANK REPRESENTATIVE VILLALOBOS. I WANT TO TAKE ONE LAST SHOT AT, HEY, MAN, IF WE'RE NAMING BUILDINGS, WE SHOULD RECOGNIZE THE PROJECT FINANCING ZONE AND NAME THE ARENA LONE STAR ARENA. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION. TWO QUESTIONS. WATER, TEXAS WATER FUND. IS THAT GRANTS OR LOANS OR DO WE KNOW YET? >> SO TEXAS WATER FUND MONEY DOESN'T ACTUALLY COME OUT OF THE TEXAS WATER FUND FOR APPLICANTS. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THERE'S NOT REALLY AN ANSWER BECAUSE IT GOES INTO A PROGRAM. MOST OF THE TIME THE EXISTING PROGRAMS ARE GOING TO BE LOANS. >> Scott: IS IT IN WRITING ANYWHERE THAT SAYS THE SWIFT IS LOAN ONLY? >> YES. SWIFT HAS VERY PRESCRIPTIVE RULES. OTHER PROGRAMS LIKE NEW WATER SUPPLY ARE LESS PRESCRIPTIVE. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN THE STATE WATER PLAN. SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PROGRAMS. THERE ARE GRANT PROGRAMS, CORPUS CHRISTI COULDN'T BE THE RECIPIENT OF SOME OF THEM. COULD NOT. YEAH. LIKE RURAL, SMALL COMMUNITIES. >> Scott: OKAY. ALL RIGHT. MOST OF THAT MONEY, THOUGH, IT WAS GOING TO BE GRANTS -- >> THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW THE FINANCING RULES WILL WORK UNDER THE NEW WATER SUPPLY PROGRAM, BUT IN REALITY RIGHT NOW IT'S MOSTLY LOW-INTEREST LOANS. THAT'S WHAT WE'VE SEEN THE BOARD USE BECAUSE IT ALLOWS THEM TO TAKE A POT OF MONEY AND STRETCH IT REALLY FAR. THEY CAN BOND IT. >> Scott: 3% COMPARED TO, WHAT 8%? >> THE OVERALL NEED IN THE STATE OF TEXAS IS SOMEWHERE LIKE $70 BILLION, SO A $20 BILLION INVESTMENT ONLY GETS YOU PART OF THE WAY. >> Scott: THE NEXT THING IS TEXANS FOR -- THE FRONT GROUP. WHO DO THEY FRONT FOR? >> I'LL LET THE PERSON WHO SAID IT. >> I'M HAPPY, SINCE I'VE HAD TO BATTLE WITH THEM. THEY WERE A GROUP THAT SHOWED UP LAST SESSION. THEY WERE A NONPROFIT INCORPORATED IN AUSTIN. THEY ACTUALLY OFFICE IN OUR BUILDING. IT IS -- THE FOUNDERS OF IT IS A VERY WEALTHY TECH INDIVIDUAL WHO MOVED FROM CALIFORNIA. HIS WIFE RUNS IT. THEY BEGAN THIS ORGANIZATION AND HAVE BEEN VERY ACTIVE. >> Scott: WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE ORGANIZATION? >> TEXANS FOR REASONABLE SOLUTIONS. I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHO IS ON THEIR BOARD. WE'VE TRIED TO FIND THAT OUT. BECAUSE THEY WERE GIVEN A VERY HIGH PROFILE IN A LOT OF THESE DEBATES. CANDIDLY, AT TIMES, HIGHER THAN SOME OF THE LARGE CITIES AROUND THE STATE. AND SO IN LOOKING INTO WHO THEY WERE AND HOW THEY ARRIVED AT THEIR POLICY POSITIONS, THAT WAS WHAT WE DISCUSSED. >> Scott: ARE THERE ANY KNOWN RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE TEXANS FOR FREE ENTERPRISE GROUP? >> THEY CERTAINLY WORKED IN CONJUNCTION WITH SOME OF THE OTHER GROUPS THAT WE HAVE KNOWN MORE ABOUT, LIKE THE TEXAN PUBLIC POLICY FOUNDATION AND OTHERS, THEY HAVE BEEN CONSISTENT WITH SOME OF THOSE POSITIONS. A LOT OF THIS STUFF, PARTICULARLY ON SOME OF THE BILLS THAT DIDN'T PASS THAT WERE MORE ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT I WOULD CALL THE DEREGULATION. THIS TINY -- WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY REFERRED TO AS THE TINY LOT BILL, SB 15, CHANGED A GREAT DEAL. THAT WAS ONE OF THEIR BIG PUSH AND PROPOSALS AS WELL. BUT THIS ISSUE WITH LAND USE AND THE HOUSING STOCK AND AFFORDABILITY AND AVAILABILITY, LIKE I SAID WILL BE BACK. IT'S PERENNIALLY A BIG ONE. IF I COULD PIGGYBACK ON ONE THING RYAN SAID, I'M GOING TO SHIFT GEARS ON YOU, BUT YOU ASKED ABOUT IT. WAS THE WATER APPROPRIATIONS. I WANT TO REITERATE HOW UNIQUE AND KIND OF MONUMENTAL THAT WAS. IN MY 30 YEARS, CITIES AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS DO NOT RECEIVE DIRECT APPROPRIATIONS FOR NAMED PROJECTS IN THE STATE BUDGET. >> Scott: YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE VILLALOBOS? >> AND HERS WAS INDICATIVE. WE GOT A LOT OF MONEY ACROSS THE STATE, NOT JUST HERE IN CORPUS CHRISTI. IT WAS A RECORD -- I WOULD SAY IF WE HAD TO PICK ONE THING THAT WAS THE BEST FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, IT WAS THAT WE HAD A RECORD AMOUNT OF DIRECT APPROPRIATIONS FROM THE STATE GOVERNMENT TO CITIES FOR WASTEWATER PROJECTS, PARKS, AIRPORTS, A VARIETY OF OTHER PROJECTS. AND THAT, WHEN YOU HAVE A $30 BILLION PLUS SURPLUS, A LITTLE MORE TO GO AROUND. THAT WAS SOMETHING UNIQUE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT RYAN AND I TALKED ABOUT OVER THE COURSE OF THE SESSION WAS WHETHER OR NOT THAT SORT OF DIRECT APPROPRIATION WITHIN THE STATE BUDGET TO SPECIFIC PROJECTS WILL CONTINUE OR IF THIS WAS A ONE-TIME INFUSION TO KIND OF KICKSTART THIS EFFORT. >> Scott: SNAPPER, GOOD TO SEE YOU. HAVE YOU BEEN HERE ALL DAY? >> I GOT HERE AT 11:00. >> Scott: I TOTALLY AGREE. I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE AT THE CAPITAL FIVE, SIX TIMES. YOU ALWAYS WALK IN THAT BUILDING AND, GOSH, MAN, I KNOW THREE PEOPLE. HERE'S THE ANSWER. JUST STAND NEXT TO RYAN. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO ANYWHERE. EVERYBODY COMES UP, OOH, THERE'S RYAN. GOT TO TALK TO RYAN. I'M THE SENIOR LOBBYIST FOR VALERO. AND RYAN GOES, YEAH, THIS IS MY LITTLE FRIEND MARK SCOTT. YOU ARE IMPRESSIVE. IT WAS FUN BEING UP THERE WITH YOU. I THINK YOU DID A GREAT JOB AND I THINK WE CAN SEE IN YOUR REPORT THAT THE TWO OF YOU AND YOUR TEAM WORKING TOGETHER HAD A TREMENDOUS IMPACT IN OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. >> COUNCIL, MAYOR, I MUST SAY RYAN NOT ONLY WAS A GREAT ADDITION FOR THE CITY, MAYOR, YOU KNOW THIS. WE ARE A LOCAL GOVERNMENT TEAM UP THERE. HE'S A GREAT ADDITION TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT TEAM AND CITIES AROUND THE STATE BENEFITED FROM THE WORK THAT HE DID, NOT JUST THIS CITY. >> Mayor Guajardo: WONDERFUL. >> [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Guajardo: THE RYAN HOUR. >> THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE TO THANK. >> Mayor Guajardo: THERE WERE MULTIPLE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WENT UP TO AUSTIN. THANK YOU FOR THAT. COUNCILMAN GIL -- HERNANDEZ, I'M SORRY. >> Hernandez: OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS THE LAND USE ON THE 3,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT. THIS IS GOING TO PROBABLY HAVE US UPDATE OUR UDC, RIGHT? >> [OFF MIC] >> Hernandez: SO I HAD SOME QUESTIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. DID IT PUT ANY RESTRICTIONS ON THE WIDTH OF THE LOT? >> YEAH. SO THE WAY THE BILL WAS WRITTEN, THERE WERE SOME PRESCRIBED MINIMUM WIDTHS. I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME. WE'RE WORKING WITH WHAT THE LEGISLATURE PASSED AND WHAT WAS SIGNED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE COMPLIANT BUT WE STILL HAVE SOME PATH FORWARD. >> Hernandez: DID IT HAVE ANY RESTRICTIONS ON THE SPACING OF DRIVEWAYS? >> THERE ARE SOME SETBACK REQUIREMENTS BUT NOT THE SPACING. >> Hernandez: IS THERE ANY RESTRICTIONS ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY REQUIREMENTS? >> NO. >> Hernandez: YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING? >> I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND. WE WERE UP THERE FOR THAT AND WE NEGOTIATED WHAT WE COULD. WE STILL HAVE SOME MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS THAT CAN STILL BE MET WITH THOSE RIGHT-OF-WAYS. THERE WAS DISCUSSION AT ONE POINT TO INCREASING THE SIZE OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY TO ALLOW THE DENSITY BUT THAT NEVER CAME TO FRUITION. >> Hernandez: YOU DO HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SOME CHANGES AND THOSE CHANGES ARE IN THE IDM FOR THE RIGHT-OF-WAYS FOR STREETS RIGHT? >> CORRECT. >> Hernandez: SO THAT DOESN'T FALL UNDER UDC. >> THERE ARE SOME -- THERE IS SOME LANGUAGE IN THE UDC THAT TALKS ABOUT THOSE STREET WIDTHS. AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS BE COMPLIANT WITH STATE LAW FIRST AND THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE, BASED ON WHAT HAS PASSED. I THINK WE'LL STILL BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN OUR MINIMUM STREET WIDTH. >> Hernandez: NO, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. YOU PROBABLY COULD ADD SOME RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> WELL, THAT'S ANOTHER -- >> Hernandez: THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. HE MENTIONED SPECIFICALLY A SETBACK OF 15 FEET. IF YOU HAVE A DRIVEWAY, 15 FEET IS NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH TO PARK A CAR. IT'S JUST NOT. >> SMART CAR. >> Hernandez: OKAY. I MEAN, SO I KNOW WE HAVE -- LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE A LOCAL ROAD. THE ROAD IS 28 FEET CURB-TO-CURB AND YOU HAVE 11 FEET OF EASEMENT ON EACH SIDE, PLUS YOUR 20 FEET FOR THE RS-4.5. IF YOU PUT THE SIDEWALK IN THE RIGHT PLACE AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT SOME LANGUAGE ABOUT THE PLACEMENT OF THE SIDEWALK. SO YOU CAN PLAY AROUND SO YOU CAN PARK A CAR ON YOUR DRIVEWAY. >> CORRECT. AGAIN, THIS THROWS A LITTLE CURVEBALL TO OUR NORMAL OPERATING PROCEDURE BUT WE'RE PREPARED -- >> Hernandez: WELL, YOU SHOULD DO THAT WHILE YOU'RE MAKING THESE AMENDMENTS SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK. >> I ONLY WANT TO BE HERE ONCE. >> Hernandez: THERE'S WAYS TO GO AROUND THIS. YOU ALSO HAVE -- I MEAN, I'M SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT LOCAL ROADS AND MAYBE THE RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR WITH SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS. >> YEAH. IT DEFINITELY GOES INTO A BIGGER DISCUSSION. >> Hernandez: OKAY. I'M GLAD THE PROJECT FINANCING ZONE WENT THROUGH. I KNOW WE HAD SOME -- I THINK I YELLED AT A FEW PEOPLE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS. >> YOU THINK? [LAUGHTER] >> Hernandez: BUT I'M GLAD IT PASSED TO WHERE WE GOT THE BENEFIT OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU DID. >> YEAH. AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE THANKS AND THE PRAISE. THERE'S MANY, MANY PEOPLE, PROBABLY OF WHICH I SHOULD AT LEAST THANK MY WIFE FOR ALLOWING ME TO GO TO AUSTIN FOR SIX MONTHS. DR. ANDERSON DID SO MUCH IN TERMS OF WORKING WITH INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS, WORKING ON WRITTEN TESTIMONY. COORDINATING WITNESSES COMING TO AUSTIN AND OBVIOUSLY OUR TEAM AND THE COUNCIL MEMBERS' STAFF. WE HAD A NUMBER OF STAFF. I THINK CORPUS CHRISTI WAS WELL REPRESENTED IN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT CAME UP ON BEHALF OF THE CITY AND TESTIFIED. IT WAS CERTAINLY NOT SOMETHING I COULD DO MYSELF. LIKE I STARTED OFF WITH, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH OUR LEGISLATORS. I HAVE ULTIMATELY THEM TO THANK FOR ANY SUCCESS WE SAW. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN BARRERA. >> Barrera: I JUST WANT TO ECHO THAT TOO. GREAT JOB. GREAT JOB. I WON'T BELABOR IT BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THE THING I WAS ALSO GOING TO RECOGNIZE STAFF. MICHAEL DICE WENT AND TESTIFIED, DREW, PETER TESTIFIED, HEATHER, DAN McGINN. YOU KNOW, JUST THE ONES THAT I WAS AWARE OF. AND, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS PROBABLY IN THE THREE SESSIONS THAT I'VE BEEN ENGAGED IN, THIS WAS PROBABLY -- YEAH. THIS WAS PROBABLY THE MOST AGGRESSIVE THE CITY HAS BEEN AS FAR AS MAKING LOCAL IMPACT. >> THERE WERE OTHER CITIES, I SHOULD SAY, THAT SAID IT WAS NICE CORPUS CHRISTI STARTED CARRYING SOME WEIGHT THERE AND HAVING FOLKS SHOW UP. IT WAS GOOD. >> Barrera: THERE'S A CORPUS MAFIA IN AUSTIN. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN CORPUS CHRISTI. YOU KNOW, CHUY HAD AUTHORED A BILL THAT WAS GOING TO REQUIRE DISCLOSURE ON PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS ON THESE BRACKISH WATER DESAL PLANTS. >> THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT. >> Barrera: TO REQUIRE SOME TRANSPARENCY BECAUSE THERE WERE SEVERAL THAT DID NOT -- JUST LIKE WE HAD HERE LAST TUESDAY -- THAT DIDN'T INCLUDE THE COST OF ELECTRICITY. >> RIGHT. >> Barrera: WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT? >> THAT BILL ULTIMATELY DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE. I THINK RECOGNIZING THAT THEY WERE DEALING WITH A COMMITTEE THAT WAS VERY MUCH WANTING TO INCENTIVIZE SEA WATER DESAL -- NOT SEA WATER BUT ALL DESAL. I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE COMMITTEE APPETITE WASN'T THERE TO TAKE THAT ON BUT IT WAS MORE OF A DISCUSSION PIECE THAT I THINK THE SENATOR FILED TO TRY TO GET FOLKS' ATTENTION ABOUT WHEN SIGNING CONTRACTS, MAKING SURE YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION A LOT OF THOSE DEAL POINTS THAT MIGHT ADD TO THE COST. >> Barrera: YEAH. EVERY TIME I WAS UP THERE SOMEBODY ASKED ME ABOUT WATER, BECAUSE WHAT WE WERE DOING IN CORPUS CHRISTI. I TOLD THEM ALL THE INITIATIVES COMES OUT OF THE WOODWORK. EVERYBODY'S A WATER EXPERT AND IT'S VERY COMPLEX, DEALING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER ADDS COST. UNDERSTANDING THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH ELECTRICITY. YOU KNOW, GETTING THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, THE COST OF TRANSMISSION. A TON OF CONFUSION. AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT CAME BACK HERE TO CORPUS AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN OUR CHALLENGE. I JUST WISH THAT WOULD HAVE GONE SOMEWHERE. I GET YOU. I GET YOU. WE JUST NEED TO BE CLEAR. YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEEN HARD -- DREW, YOUR TEAM HAS BEEN WORKING AND, PETER, WE'RE LEARNING THOSE MISTAKES AND I THINK WE OFFER THAT NOW BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING AT IT. YOU KNOW, ALL THE SUPPLY CHAIN COSTS OF THE PROPERTY OWNER, THE ELECTRICITY, THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM, YOU KNOW CONVEYANCE. I THINK A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE JUST THINK IT'S EASY. ON TUESDAY WE WENT FROM $3.50 TO $5.50 WATER. OH, BUT THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE ELECTRICITY. THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE -- ANYWAY, I WISH THAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED. GREAT JOB. YOU AND YOUR TEAM DID WELL. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN. >> Vaughn: I JUST WANT TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO THANK YOU, GUYS. SNAPPER, YOU'RE AN OLD HAND AT IT. YOU ALWAYS DO A GREAT JOB. YOU REALLY WERE GREAT. THAT WAS MY FIRST TIME UP THERE. YOU WERE A GREAT HOST AND YOU KNEW WHAT YOU WERE DOING. YOU MADE IT SO EASY. AND YOU SHOULD BE PROUD OF YOURSELF AND YOU SHOULD PROBABLY THANK YOUR WIFE FIRST FOR LETTING YOU GO. >> I DID BUT I NEED TO THANK HER OFTEN. >> Vaughn: I KNOW YOU SPEND A LOT OF TIME UP THERE. I WANT TO SAY THE MAYOR, WE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING, BUT SHE WENT UP THERE SEVERAL TIMES, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. AND SHE DROPPED -- AT THE DROP OF THE HAT ONE TIME. I KNOW OTHER TIMES AS WELL, BUT SHE DID GO. AND I KNOW DREW MOLLY DID. I THINK MR. ZANONI. A LOT OF PEOPLE WENT. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN. >> ON BEHALF OF THE HOMETOWN, IT'S A PRIVILEGE. >> Mayor Guajardo: IT'S 8:50 AND THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS RYAN WE'RE ADJOURNING. GOOD NIGHT, EVERYBODY. [MEETING ADJOURNED]