all right welcome everybody to the October 25th 2023 city of Mesa Planning and Zoning Board public hearing we'll begin with a roll call of the board members president chair SS myself I here Vice chair pitcher here board member Crockett here board member Peterson here board member montz here board member blakeman is AB today and board member Carpenter here all right welcome all as part of the agenda we have a a consent agenda and it will be into the record and act it on in one motion um these items will not be discussed individually I'm going to have uh board member Peterson read this but just one check on any cards that changed anything on the consent agenda these are all what we have one right behind oh there's another one 4 a and for 4 C all right and this is 4 C all right 4 a 4 and yep we're still good so consent is still good okay board member so for public reference items 4 a 4B and 4C will not be um on the consent motion they will be handled individually and and each case will be separate items on the consent agenda for the Wednesday October 25th Mesa planning and zoning board meeting item 2A minutes from the October 11th 2023 study session and regular meeting item 3A Z 22- 01082 Queen of Heaven Cemetery office Edition Garage and mauso District 4 within the 1400 to 1600 blocks of East Baseline Road and the 1600 to 2,000 blocks of South Harris Drive located east of Stapley Drive and south of Baseline Road North okay thank you located east of stapely drive and north of baseland Road site plan review and special use permit this request will allow for a cemetery and Associated accessory uses in an agricultural District uh recommendation is approval with conditions item 3B Z 22- 01233 Outlaw Trucking District 2 within the 5300 block of East Main Street located south of Main Street and East of Higley Road major site plan modification this request will allow for a commercial development and the recommendation is to be continued to the nove November 15th 2023 planning and zoning board meeting item 3 3C Z 23-56 Hampton commercial and Brewsters drive-through District 5 within the 7500 block of East Hampton Avenue located west of sasman Road and south of Southern Avenue major site plan modification and special use permit this request will allow for a limited service restaurant with a drive-through facility and a multi-tenant commercial building the recommendation is approval with conditions along with a modification to condition three to delete the uh reference to cross parking agreement is that correct item 3D Z 23- 00210 East Market major land use budget transfer District Six within the 92 200 to 9,400 blocks of East Ray Road within the 9200 to 9300 blocks of 22 Boulevard within 9300 to 10,000 blocks of East Point 22 Boulevard within the 4200 to 4700 blocks of South East Mark Parkway within the 9200 to 9800 blocks of East Warner Road and within the 4,400 to 5200 blocks of South Ellsworth Road located north of Ray Road and East of Ellsworth Ellsworth Road major budget transfer this request will allow for the transfer dwelling units approved for development unit one to development unit 34 North recommendation is to be continued to the November 15th 2023 planning and zoning board meeting item 4D Z1 23- 00677 Fusion Wellness office building District 5 within the 10, 00 to 10,200 blocks of East Hampton Avenue located east of Chrisman Road and south of Southern Avenue major site plan modification and amending conditions of approval for case number0 07- 007 this request will allow for a medical office recommendation is approval with conditions item 5A z23 00673 Canon Beach condominium preliminary plat District Six within the 4,400 to 4500 blocks of South Power Road located south of Warner Road on the east side of Power Road uh review of a prary plat recommendation is approval with conditions all right thank you board May Peterson I'll request a motion from the board to approve the uh consent agenda I move that we approve the consent agenda as it's been read and second second thank you all in favor please votee or not okay there it goes it's not coming up but I'm guessing we are you know oh there it is I see it over there okay with a uh everyone here voting yes that it passes unanimously without board member who's not here today board member lakeman's not here so thank you everybody all right so now we will move on to the cases that we have at this time Rachel I turn it over to you or do I do over Mary een mean my Mo this could be confusing sorry chair I was getting a tutorial on this voting machine here you're good you're talking okay so um we have 4 we have Evan to make a presentation on item 4 a which is case Z1 23- z545 thank you members this is case Z1 23545 um it is a request for a major site plan modification and also a special use permit to allow for the development of a limited service restaurant with a drive-thru in the neighborhood commercial zoning District uh subject property is cross-hatched on your map it is the northwest corner of University and velvis to drive there are two general plan designations on the property on the west side of the site the general plan designation is neighborhood the purpose of the neighborhood character area is to provide safe places for people to live and enjoy their surrounding Community it also allows for commercial uses on arterial frontages and arterial intersections the east side of the site is a neighborhood Village Center the purpose of the neighborhood Village Center is to provide shopping areas for neighborhoods generally within about two miles of the site as I mentioned the zoning on the property is neighborhood commercial the site is currently vacant the photo on the left is from University Drive the photo on the right is looking West from Val Vista uh here you can see the the proposed site plan I would like to note that um there is a separate request for a development incentive permit and that goes to the board of adjustment the purpose of the development incentive permit is to allow for deviations from specific development standards for smaller bypass Parcels such as this um on the site plan you can see the Starbucks is approximately 2400 Square ft it has a drive-thru which is on the south side of the building in between um the building and University Drive there's a approximate 400 squ foot outdoor dining area on the west side of the site access there are two access points to the site one from Valvista Drive one from University Drive here you can see the landscape plan proposed the the trees primarily are red push pistache and mulga trees both the landscape plan and the elevations that you see here went to the design review board um last Tuesday the board was very complimentary of the design they actually did not receive any comments back from the design review board uh when staff analyzes a request for a special use permit we use the four criteria found in section policy documents as I mentioned there are two general plan designations on the site in the neighborhood commerci in the neighborhood subtype excuse me the neighborhood character area it does allow for a commercial on arterial frontages the neighborhood Village Center encourages um shopping areas within about for residents within about two miles of the site staff does find it is consistent with criteria number one criteria two the location size design and operating characteristics of the project are consistent with the purpose of the district where it's Loc ated and conform with the general plan as I mentioned previously limited service restaurants with drive-throughs are a permitted use in the neighborhood commercial um zoning district with the approval of a special use permit uh criteria three the proposed project will not be injurious or detrimental to the adjacent or surrounding properties in the area the greater neighborhood or the general welfare of the city as I mentioned previously on the site um it is a small site but the applicant took steps to try to mitigate any uh potential impacts from the residents to the north as I mentioned the drive-thru is on the south side of the site buffered by the building the speaker box is on the University side and actually oriented towards University so sound from the speaker box will project towards the street instead of to the north the last criteria is that adequate Public Services public facilities and public infrastructure are available to the project um this location has all the the necessary utilities needed the applicant did complete a citizen participation uh plan it's they notified neighbors within a th000 feet of the site as well as HOAs and registered neighborhoods they held a neighborhood meeting um in May of this year there were seven attendees and they got a few questions related primarily to the hours of operation access to the site the property line wall along the the north property um and the solid waste enclosure the applicant has um modified their plans to the extent that they can first the hours of operation Starbucks opens uh very early in the morning I think it's around 4:00 they close at uh approximately 8:30 at night um access to the site as I mentioned is from both University and Val Vista the Val Vista Drive access is meeting the requirement for an access Drive is in proximity to an arterial intersection um moving it any further south would um would render it um useless so that we we only have one access to the site the property line wall along the north property line is in a state of disrepair and it it has been that way for for a little while the applicant is here and can speak a little bit more about um any agreements that they've reached with the property owners regarding that wall the solid waste enclosure is located on the north side of the site it is located there uh primarily for functional reasons other locations on the site would not work and and still meet the solid waste requirements for backing distance and R turning radius the um applicant has agreed that the solid waste will be serviced three times a week uh during normal business operating hours with that staff does find that this complies with the 2040 Mesa General plan as well as the criteria in chapter 69 for site plan review and the criteria in section 1175 for a special use permit staff is recommending approval with conditions and I'd be happy to answer any questions the board might have all right thank you is there any questions for the applicant or for Evan from the board no nothing okay we it there I do know we have a couple of comments here from the public so I have one blue card wishes to speak at this time is that correct cheerers that is correct we have also received a couple of Online requests to speak via Zoom Okay cool so let's start with the the one we have here and and then we'll go to the zoom is that sound good all right so let's see can I have Ls kesy up and if you could state your name and address for us for the record uh Lewis kresy 3519 East coina Street uh so in general I am in favor of this proposal but unfortun I cannot tell from the schematic whether or not the restaurant is in interior or only that outdoor patio I would not be in favor of this if it's only an outdoor patio it's Arizona uh we need to be inside um I'm generally in favor of the proposal of the that particular uh property has been vacant for many many many years and it's a and it's an isore um this uh facility would allow the uh residents to the north to actually to walk to the facility which would be very convenient uh there's a um manufactured housing community across V Vista they could some cases walk or drive their golf carts uh over it's a very convenient facility would add uh to the whole area as far as an option for people to socialize get out of the house and all that but uh again uh my my one concern is that there's an in interior restaurant space not just an outdoor space um I would frankly not be in favor of the proposal at all if it just drive-thru or outdoor all right thank you appreciate it I'll allow the applicate to come up and to respond to you but there's interior space I can say that right I'm safe so we'll move over to the two that we have on Zoom um chair I've been informed that Maria is the only one that's available online to speak right now so Maria if you can hear us um you're time is yours do you hear us Maria technology Maria you thereo I heard something hello hello hello can you hear us yes I can hear you this is mar could you state your name and address for us Maria and then you could speak on the issue we you have three minutes okay my name is Maria gik address 3557 is cabalero Street and 3549 is cabalero Street and uh we have facility it's absolute adult care home with 10 residents who is not capable to walk they in the wers and Walkers it's on 3557 it's um olderly uh residents in and uh we don't want to have less than 25 ft from our wall and we don't agree with the drive through because that is going to make lot of noise for our residents and they don't have any peace okay and the second house it's the house where we live nearby it's to uh this Starbucks is going to be in the back of our homes okay thank and I sent some information about the the damage what this Johnson did on our wall and he's not cooperating with us to come to to remove this problems what is in here then we don't agree to have a drive-thru and not less than 25 ft from our wall thank you Maria anything else uh no only this because uh of the this business is for 30 years in here or more than 30 years and uh I think we have to get that into consideration because it's olderly people and they have to have some rest and they don't feel good and if we have all the time cars going around and lights and plus on this corner we have a lot of accidents today there was two car accidents on the corner and Starbucks we have across the street in Alberts or store who wants to go to Starbucks they can go to to the store and buy the coffee I don't think so we need that much Starbucks on this corner too all right thank you Mar we appreciate your comments okay thank you so much for let me to comment on this all right thank you hi all right do we have any other yeah so chair board members looks like some of the items that she was referencing about damage to the walls and things we were provided with pictures right before the meeting here so I can pass these to the board um and it looks like um I think believe they're opening a code compliance case in regard to this oh okay we'll take a look at that okay and then the other one did not make it on the caul right okay well with that then we'll allow the uh applicant to come up to respond Evan to some of these comments good evening my name is John gesi I'm an attorney with the law off of pwan Lake here in Mesa 174 um South alvista um I I'll try to be brief I do want to go through the slides to kind of describe and answer a few of the questions that were were raised for the Starbucks um proposed here at the Northwest Corno of University in in Valvista uh it is a small site um here right at the arterial intersection less than an acre uh you'll see here the the the site was zoned in 2016 uh for commercial uses neighborhood commercial uh the project here you can see on our site plan I wanted to point out a few of the the steps that were taken in response to uh interaction with with neighbors throughout this process um the owner of the property uh Dave Johnson has has owned the property for multiple years and has a a relationship with the neighbors and has has gone forth on on several um proposals for development at this site and we we think we've done a good job of of addressing some of the concerns that have been been raised here so uh the building setback uh is a big one required 25 ft in the neighborhood commercial and we move this building as close to University as possible to create an ice buffer to the residential 82 ft uh with the landscape setback uh required in the neighborhood commercial is actually 20 ft and we're we're requesting a 10t uh landscape setback at its smallest Point uh as a part of that Landscaping effort we're installing 11 new trees in that landscape buffer and then as well we're agreeing to a new perimeter wall uh to be installed so that that wall is in really bad condition right now um Starbucks doesn't want it uh we don't want it and it's uh it the city doesn't want it apparently with the code Code Compliance case so we're we're going to work hand inand with the neighbors on coordinating the construction of of a new wall um that is uh safe and and pretty and works well with the site that shows there the stretch of the three homes that are adjacent to the the property that that new wall will be installed on another uh important effort was taken with the city to uh move that drive-thru through Lane as far away from the residences as possible and so the the drive-through was put south of the building uh up against the arterial Street uh in order to um to mitigate impacts to the neighbors an important site design consideration I'd like to draw attention to is that our drive-through queue uh exceeds the city of Mesa standards uh required to have 140 ft from the uh pickup window to the start of that queue and we have 219 ft and as well that start of that queue is is interior to the site which would uh was designed with in mind we don't want cars overflowing into University and and into Val Vista so uh the site design team I thought they did a really nice job designing the site to uh to balance the consideration of the city as well as the the neighbors another consideration with that order board being placed uh 115 ft from the residential property line and oriented towards University we're able to to meet the parking requirements for the site we have a limited number of of deviations that we're going to go to uh the board of adjustment for uh the landscape setback on the North and and as well a setback for uh exiting cars need to have 50 ft and we're asking for a minor deviation to that here's some renderings of of the building uh once again if you know the the history of this site it used to be the old bird lady house um as we affectionately refer to it and and so it was a a midcentury modern uh building and had some unique design characteristics that Starbucks has said you know what let's let's try to incorporate that Mesa history into into our design so you'll see the the CMU use and and a curved uh Corner um architecture on on these buildings I thought they did a really nice job with that I'll I'm happy to answer any any other questions I Lewis did raise a question about the the building itself so I'll reiterate it's a 2400 ft Starbucks has uh at least 1,200 interior square feet of of uh for seating and and uh meeting inside of the building so it does have an outside patio as well covered patio but it does have um nice room on the inside for gathering with that answer any questions you might have thank you John appreciate it I have one quick and just kind of after looking at the photos and seeing what's going on with that that north wall so I I looked again at the site plane because I couldn't remember what the species but you're calling out for acia within that 10- foot landscape strip at the back which at a mature size those are a 20 by 20 so one of the things I might recommend working through I don't know if we want to put this in here as a condition or anything but the uh maintenance agreement on that if if it is is a 20 x 20 tree and you only got a 10x 10 you know 10t setback and you're in the middle that means you got potentially 15t on that neighbor's side just to ease some things there to make it a little bit easier from a maintenance agreement absolutely chers that's that's a good point we did want to put a nice siiz tree in there in order to to create a good buffer um but I agree that the um the condition of maintaining that is is vital to the project to make sure that we're working as just to kind of EAS some of those concerns with what we're seeing with the issues with the with the wall on the North side so that's just something I after looking at those pictures I don't know if we want to necessarily say that's a condition but it could be part of a Good Neighbor policy potentially we will need to enter into a shared wall maintenance agreement with that neighbor when that wall goes in uh while we are footing the cost of it uh it will there will be an agreement in place be something that you think and that that should be folded into the the agreement to maintain the wall is is surrounding landscape considerations I I would personally think I'm not sure if the rest of the board agrees with that any other questions or Y there you go I just thanks for your presentation I've just got one question that came up uh on the phone call about noise and maybe you can address how you know Starbucks starts early and they they go kind of late and so I'm just wondering what what you've done you know to attenuate the noise yes thank you so uh there's a couple of measures that I think are are in place as i' I'd mentioned that do mitigate the noise um issues the drive-thru Lane itself being uh thrown to the South as much as possible as close to the already existing arterial streets that these homes are nearby um the as well the trees and the wall that provides a certain degree of of buffer that will slightly improve the the conditions um we uh we we will need to uh comply with the city of mesa's noise ordinance which has says that essentially we can't go above the ambient noise uh and have that that noise flood onto to neighboring properties um so that will be enforced by by the city of Mesa and in terms of the the hours of operation I actually well I don't drink coffee but 4:00 a.m. is really early to get your coffee but 4:30 I think to 7 is the projected hours of operation for this site I know other sites do have have different hours of of operation um and in terms of being a good neighbor I think there's there's been a long-term relationship that the current owner is going to continue to uh to own own the site and is um is readily available to mitigate if there happens to be any any noise complaints in in the future well I think if nobody else has anything I might actually so I don't have any language specific to to writing a a proposed kind of amend or condition of approval here or so I'm just can I just kind of say it and the language can be worked out does that make sense sure did you still want to add the condition or were you okay having it as part of their future agreement of you want to add one I do okay yeah I board discretion then that's fine and chair ER is just a question for legal counsel do we need to move the item first before we propose an amendment and vote on an amendment to the stipulation I'm just adding a condition of approval that but do we need that so I would I would advise that you would decide what that condition looks like first and then someone can make a motion with that condition added so I I throw that at the if anybody else agrees me if not the board to add that as a condition I'm I'm happy to support that and you're suggesting chair SS that the size of the the canopy be a they they select a tree that's smaller in size or I think the tree I think that as as John was talking about and and give me a thumbs up here it was just about a maintenance landscape maintenance agreement okay and that would involve them ensuring that the tree doesn't overhang the neighbor's property by by what I mean could there be some overhang or how does what does that look like the maintenance the we you could propose that they just enter a landscape maintenance agreement with those Property Owners to address the Landscaping along whatever property line that is potential maintenance I think that would be perfect and any potential maintenance issues okay well then I I'll make a motion if you're ready yeah all right so agenda item 4A case z 23- z545 Starbucks at University and Val Vista District 1 within the 400 to 500 blocks of North Valvista Drive West Side and within 3500 block of East University Drive located west of Valvista Drive and north of University Drive major site plan modification and amending conditions of approval for case number Z1 16-33 and special use permit this request will allow for a restaurant with a drive-thru the staff recommendation is approval with conditions and I would propose an additional condition be added that would require the owner to enter into a landscape maintenance agreement with the property owners to the north of the project there you go second I'll second that all right all right all in favor please vote there we go I have to look over here okay all that passes unanimously appreciate everybody you all right we're on to 4B shair that is correct so next item off of consent is 4B which is case z 23- 00160 and Sean will be making that presentation all right thank you chair board members uh again this is case z 23- 00160 this is a request for site plan review and reone from RS 43 to rm3 pad um for a project known as Ian Gardens this is a multiple residence um development so the site is located at the northwest corner of Meridian and Southern Avenue the eastern boundary of of the city of Mesa um it's north of the US 60 Superstition freeway and to the north and west is existing single residence to the South is uh state land and then to the east across Meridian is the city of Apache Junction the general plan car area designation on the site is neighborhood uh there is a Suburban subtype so uh with within the neighborhood ker area the intent is really to provide safe places for people to live and it does mention of providing a variety of housing types including M including multiple residents uh within the Suburban subtype uh rm3 is listed as a secondary zoning district and secondary zoning districts are supported when the primary zoning has been established and we look at um the zoning map for the overall neighborhood we can see most of it's taken up by RS6 single residence that's a primary zoning within the Suburban subtype um therefore the the rezone request from RS 43 which you can see here to rm3 multiple residents is is supported so again the existing uh zoning is RS 43 the proposed zoning is rm3 pad and multiple residen is allowed by right in the rm3 district this is a photo looking West from Meridian um you can see some vegetation in the background of the photo that is the existing open drainage Channel and then this is north from Southern Avenue you can see the um neighbor neighboring single residence subdivision the uh applicants proposing 72 units uh these are three-story buildings there's three of them proposed you can see them in green on the site plan uh primary access to the site is from Meridan and there is a gate with keypad for turnaround um an exit only gate is in the southwest corner of the site um and that provides access exit only access to um Southern Avenue I'll also note there's an existing draining drainage channel that runs along the west and North uh boundary line um as well as a drainage easement and that's owned and maintained by the city of Mesa um 152 parking spaces are required per code 2.1 per unit um 152 are proposed as well as 72 covered parking spaces which complies with Mesa zoning ordin in chapter 32 here's a landscape plan um I'll just note some of the uh Landscaping proposed um especially around the drainage channel so because this is a city of Mesa drainage Channel we have some requirements for planting um and I'll get into the the pad the planed a development and those deviations but um DG is is being proposed on the west side of the drainage Channel um and then there's um abundance of landscaping along the perimeter especially within the rway which you can't see on this um on this rendering um the Landscaping will be discussed though at design review board at um next month's work session so for the plan Dairy development overlay um there's some requirements the applicants proposing some deviations too including building setbacks so the requirement is 20 ft um from Meridan and Southern and the proposed building setback from Meridian is 8 ft and a 0t setback from Southern Avenue the required landscape yard width is 20 ft also along Meridan and Southern Avenue and the proposed landscape yard width is 0t the minimum building separation for three-story buildings is 35 ft and the minimum separation proposed um for this project is 15 ft there's also requirements for parking setbacks uh that's 50 ft measured from the property line the proposed parking setback is 0t from Southern Avenue which is the South uh or sorry from the the South property line along Southern Avenue uh Foundation base width is is 10 ft uh for exterior walls adjacent to parking um and the proposed setback is 5 ft and then lastly for landscaping um we have some tree and shr uh requirements along the street Frontage as well as the perimeter landscape yards um and no treat are are are proposed within the street Frontage due to the placement of the building so close to the PF and the property line and then as I'll get into um it's not possible on the west and North sides of the of the site because of that uh existing drainage easement so property owners were notified within 1,000 ft in HOAs and registered neighborhoods within a mile a virtual meeting was held on uh April 20th of this year um comments were were were raised about density um roadway improvements to maridan Southern um headlight spillage from surface parking and then noise from amenity areas um the applicant did work with staff and the neighbors to to address most of those concerns um uh to start with uh the the comments about um roadway improvements those will be handled under Maricopa County um because it is County rway um we will need to see those approved permits before we issue our city city permits city building permits uh for the headlight spillage concern the applicant is providing a block wall uh between the drainage Channel and the the parking stalls to prevent any any light spillage reaching those those neighboring properties um and then lastly for the noise concern um I'll go back to the S plan the uh I don't know if you can see it this is the pool area originally it was in the southwest corner of the site after the neighborhood meeting um they moved it more centrally located um it's about 200 ft from the north property line and then it's shielded to the to the west by one of the proposed buildings so overall we find that request complies with the general plan meets the review criteria and approval criteria for a pad overlay in chapter 22 and meets this review criteria for site plan in chapter 69 and our recommendation is approval with conditions I'm happy to answer any questions we also have the applicant here to provide some clarification if needed thanks Sean questions from the board I'm not seeing any okay nothing we're good okay I do have one request to speak on this one correct so we'll bring them up Sean how's that sound SS the request to speak was submitted online and they are on Zoom as well um Greg neelson you'll see a request to unmute um go ahead and unmute yourself and then you can go ahead and speak uh yeah can you hear me yep if you you could State your the concern Greg that be great yeah my name is Greg neelson my address is 1131 South Bryce that's right behind the proposed building and my concern was the traffic uh I think I just heard on the TV that it was Maricopa County's responsibility Meridian and Southern that whole intersection yes yes he he did yes okay uh that was one of my concerns it's not big enough to handle but if it's County I guess it's not your responsibility and then the spillage of the lights that he was talking about that little block wall I don't know how tall it's going to be but I get lights from Meridian and Southern already and I think the lights from the parking are going to shine right into the back of these houses here and then one last item was the Privacy I I mean they're three stories what's going to you know I don't want anybody looking in my backyard here I mean that means I'm going to have to cover my windows I've got sun shades on now sunscreens and I just think at night time you can see in but daytime you can't so that's going to be an issue and people peering in my windows I don't know if that'll happen but you know they are apartments and after 5 years down the road when the housing market falls out they're going to drop their prices and then who knows who's going to be in there this is a pretty bad area for drugs and homeless and those were my concerns thank you all right thank you Mr nson we appreciate your comments and that is all we have for comment at this time okay we'll bring the applicant back up uh to respond to all right perfect uh good evening Commissioners uh my name is David bonam with bfh group um acting as the applicant for this uh particular project um located at 222 North staple drive here in Mesa um so yes he uh these some of these concerns were voiced um and we we we discussed them uh in our in our meeting with the with the neighbors uh one is with traffic of course we've we've got to work through work through with everything uh with meropa County um so those will hopefully be addressed and and taken care of and and uh expansion will be provided as needed um the the question as far as uh noise um we did shift some things around um he also brought up another additional comment that uh I don't believe was brought up before which was privacy um we anticipated that we always anticipate that when we got a three-story building next to residential um and so we've we've done everything we possibly can to push that as far away from those residences um and I believe uh I don't have it in front of me but I believe the distance is roughly around 200 ft um so you have 191 on the North and 161 on the west perfect so there you go okay um so so there is a significant separation um and so uh we we did everything we possibly could to to eliminate that um uh so I I believe privacy will be provided as as requested then of course the screening um we are we're definitely willing to provide the screening to allow uh to to block any kind of spillage as far as the lights so so I believe we we're doing everything we possibly can to address those comments and and concerns um and we'll continue to work with the city and staff to to ensure that we comply with everything so any other questions from the I've just got one question and and this maybe the other question about it it looks like how tall is that wall going to be how tall is the wall between on on the other side of the drainage Canal the the existing wall uh I believe it's a 6 put CMU wall okay yep and is there it looks like all those trees got taken out okay is is there any buffer between the the wall and the the parking that you've got there so we can have some Landscaping some trees in there to to add some screenage well there's there's two challenges there has to be access uh for maintenance um so that's that's challenge number one to provide any kind of plants um or even trees for that matter the other is irrigation and getting water over there um obviously the channel blocks that um and so there's there's both of those Mo mostly the maintenance so yeah unfortunately normally we do something like that and that's a requirement uh along the perimeter but in this case we won't be able to any other questions JY I have a question just to clarify if what is the if I built a twostory home there a bunch of two two story homes what is the what's a two-story home like How high oh permitted 30 ft 30 okay yeah yeah 30t okay how tall will these buildings end up being I'm sorry I should have looked um we're limited to and off the top of my head I think it's 36 ft but we're limited to 40 with how close they are to Southern and how pushed they are to the RightWay are you concerned at all with the height and potential scaffolding while building with the proximity to the high voltage lines that run there uh no I'm sure the construction crew will be definitely aware um we we've done this before uh I know that there those are those are lines that I think exceed the 12 KV so they may not be undergrounded um however um yeah that obviously is a concern during construction um we'll have to make Provisions for that and then the right of way right there I noticed there's 10 additional feet of RightWay being taken there seems to be like um like a not a retaining wall but like a currently there's like those wood posts along that that's all going to be taken out cleaned up and then sidewalk landscape okay yeah um well that obviously we'll have to go through mcdot but yeah that's the intention okay thank you so and along those Lin I'll be honest one of the things that is the most concerning to me about this one is the we there are so many questions right now with Southern and Meridian so I I'll be honest so maybe this is more for a staff kind of question but um do we know that there is there going to be any other changes to this once we figure out what's going on with the with the county to the site plan no I I don't believe so we've we've we've added the additional RightWay per um the requirement for city of Mesa um typically meropa County doesn't require additional right away we've made a preliminary contact with them asking if they would require additional right away and they deferred to city of Mesa at this time okay we can't get uh any more clarification from them on that so if the 10 ft is given to Mesa would you deal with Mesa if the additional 10 ft rideway I guess that's a just a question there that is above my pay grade so uh thank you chair board member uh Carpenter so generally what we do if we ask for additional rideway for a road that's in the county we do that um in the event that Mesa annexes the road at some point in the future then we have the full width of of R of way needed for whatever the street section happens to be so we'll we'll have that 10 ft um if it's some point Mesa Annex is the road it it's there if we need it you okay so evident in that is that's already within the RightWay that you're showing on the the plans at this time right yeah because I because when I look at this so you've so for example you got your existing RightWay going you're showing a dimension to the FOC line so then you've got 24 ft from the ex wait no it's actually less than that I don't know what that Dimension is I'm looking what I'm looking at the site plan is the 24t set back is to the curve line to face of curve right right and so then you have an additional 10t right there 65 and then you have your PF yeah so what are true set back to property line that's from face of the curve that's just super property line is 8T from the that's line it's just it's it's tight for it seems like three stories 8 foot setback is is it's a concern so you see yeah you see where you got so you're showing 24 feet from the building down to curb just to the left of where you're pointing right might be easier to see my SE on that and you can pull it up there too it's just super tight zoom in that way right there yeah that's less than 24t that's yeah that's the face of curb so chair board members if if I'm looking at this correctly it looks like there's 18 ft from um the building to the current extent the right away and and we request that they show the future RightWay so that we can ensure that what's built is without with right not within if we need to acquire that additional right away so but let's say that does happen Rachel that means that we're losing that 10 feet that's correct so that sidewalk would be right up against the the future RightWay yeah it's right there and and then that future right of way is you know anyway that that's the concern I have is that we have a three-story building that close potentially to the sidewalk and to the curb the eventual curb that's my concerns anyway anybody else any else for the applicant right now guys we can discuss okay I think we're good I'll close the public hearing and and let the board discuss or anybody would like to make a motion on this I think you know my concerns anybody anybody well maybe could we get a reaction from staff on your concern on this yeah I mean Evan is there any concern with that if that was to happen where we lose the 10 foot rway or it grows let's say uh thank you chair um board members so I would say in in general um all all of our quality design guidelines and the zoning ordinance is really set up to get the buildings as close as possible um to the street I understand your concern about there being essentially if if the city annexes that and we utilize that right away that will be right on the street um I can't speak for the transportation department but what I will say is they generally don't Annex um streets until both sides of have have been improved so I I think in in the event that southern was annexed it would be a ways from a ways out from here it might be unlikely that it ever happens um but I I guess I would say that it's it's closer to the right of way which is generally what staff encourages to give more separation from the adjacent properties around that I do understand you're concern with the potential zero setback though and I agree normally in an urban setting absolutely I I would like to push that but this is with with the with the power lines with a major arterial that sees a lot of traffic that's the concern but I also get why we're trying to push everything to that bottom corner too so understood chair SS and board members if I may it's also important to remember that the entire rightaway is not going to be rad so there's always you know utilities and sidewalks and things like that that happen before the traffic so while the right of way maybe at the building it doesn't mean necessarily mean that the roads will be right at the building totally agree but your the curb line is also super close so but I I'm I'm good I'll leave it up to the board if anybody else wants to make a motion either way I'm good I'm gon Look to You Jeffrey all right I will make a motion um let me move item 4B case z in 23- 00160 Meridian Gardens District 5 within the 1100 block of South Meridian Road West side and the 11,500 block of East Southern Avenue North Side located north of Southern Avenue and west of Meridian Road rezone from single residence 43 or RS 43 to multiple residence 3 with a planned area development overlay and site plan review this request will allow for a multiple residence development the staff recommendation is approval with conditions is there anyone that would like to do you did you say what you were moving by the way did I I I moved it you I'm you moved it to approve I I will move I will you moved it I will I move it and then we vote on it right yes or no well are you I believe the motion was to approve with conditions you're moving to approve correct yes I I move I moved to approve with conditions with well this with staff recommendation approval it with conditions we don't have any other conditions on there right okay okay is there a second second thank you all in favor so confused with five eyes and one no the motion passes for case uh P or z123 00160 thank you very much everybody okay chair board member next item we have off consent is for C which is case 23-00 495 and Jennifer will be making that presentation thank you chair board members this is case z 23-00 495 the request is to rezone a approximately 2.8 acre property from RS6 to rm2 PAD as well as site plan review to allow a new 38 unit multiple residence development the location is north of University Drive on the west side of Power Road across from the Red Mountain branch of the Mesa Public Library to the South is an existing mini storage facility to the west and North is um a residential property that is in the Maricopa County jurisdiction uh to the West is also a single residential development that's a retirement neighborhood the general plan character area is neighborhood with a Suburban subtype the intent of the neighborhood character area is to provide safe places to live and enjoy the surrounding Community as well as to provide Associated non-residential uses the existing zoning on the site is RS6 and the request is to rezone to rm2 with a planned area development overlay and rm2 is multiple residential it's a primary zoning District in the neighborhood Suburban character area this slide shows a photo of the site it's looking Northwest towards the site from the intersection of power and decar and this photo shows a view into the site looking south from Dallas Street you'll see that it's an existing parking lot the parking lot was constructed several decades ago and it has most recently been used to serve a nearby church but uh it was explained to staff that the parking is no longer needed by the church this site plan shows ex uh proposed two and three-story Town Homes the twostory town homes are located towards the top of the site plan that we see uh that would be the west side of the site plan and the two and three story town homes are located on the east side of the site that's right along Power Road the buildings are angled uh to to enhance the architectural design but also to mitigate any uh direct view from upstairs or Second Story Windows into the adjacent single residential yards the amenity area for the development is centrally located and it includes a Ramada a barbecue area and a playground and there's also a dog park located at the South End of the of the site there are pedestrian paths that uh go throughout the neighborhood they go to each unit's uh main entry as well as to the amenity areas and to the public rights Subway uh the vehicular access is from Power Road that's the main entrance and exit and then there's a secondary entrance and exit off of Dallas Street along the north side the landscape plan um shows that the proposed landscape material meet the requirements of the Mesa zoning ordinance also the sizes of the trees along the west property line exceed the minimum requirements of the Mesa zoning ordinance those are 36 in box trees along the west side of the site to provide additional buffering from the residences to the West the request includes a planned area development overlay the p a overlay allows modifications to the development standards in the Mesa zoning ordinance the zoning ordinance requires a 30ft wide building setback along the east south and west property lines the this request is for reductions to that 30ft wide setback along the east side of the property adjacent to Power Road the reduction is to 15 ft along the South property line adjacent to the Mini Storage the reduction is to 22 2 ft and along the west property line adjacent to the single residences the reduction is to 25 ft the materials um are the materials of the exterior of the buildings are also requested for modification the zoning ordinance requires at least two primary building materials on the multiple residential developments with each of those primary building materials covering at least 25% of the exterior walls of the building the request is to have at least two kinds of primary building materials but uh for them to possibly cover less than 25% of the exterior walls the reason for that request is that three primary building materials are requested or proposed and those are stucco which does cover at least 25% of the exterior walls as well as um uh siding and uh brick and those two building materials each do not cover 25% of the exterior walls the Mesa zoning ordinance also limits the perimeter wall Heights to 6 feet and the request is to provide an 8ft tall wall along the west property line because that was something that the neighbors requested uh to increase their uh privacy in their rear yards uh for the parking area the zoning ordinance requires a minimum of 50 ft from the property line AB budding a public Street to the first Cross Drive aisle or parking space and the request includes a reduction to that to 34 ft from the Dallas Street right of way and the last modification is to the foundation based area that's the landscaped area surrounding immediately surrounding each building the code requires a minimum 10t wide Foundation base uh between the face of the wall and the nearest parking spaces and there are three uh instances within this development where that is reduced by um a couple of feet uh in one instance it's 5' 3 in wide in another instance it's 3 ft wide and another one is 1 8 in wide and that's to allow additional guest parking spaces and a centrally located Solid Waste enclosure this slide shows the East elevation of the buildings you can see this is the view from Power Road and you can see um variety of building Heights there's two story buildings and three-story buildings along Power Road and this slide shows the west elevation and this shows the twostory buildings that are adjacent into the single residences to the West the north elevation shows both the two and three story buildings along Power Road a Central Drive aisle and then the twostory buildings on the west side of the property going back a couple of slides to the planned area development overlay I do want to clarify that there are some when when staff evaluates the requests for planned area development overlay uh modifications we are looking for justification for those modifications and this property is proposing high quality architecture it's proposing three primary building materials which is more than the required to they have recessed windows and multiple changes in plane across the elevations also the buildings are positioned at an angle to the property lines and also uh the tree sizes and the common open space and amenity areas exceed the minimum that's required as part of the Mesa zoning ordinance the applicant did complete a citizen participation process they notified Property Owners within a th000 ft as well as HOAs and registered neighborhoods they held a neighborhood meeting on June 6th and there were 17 participants in that meeting there were several concerns that were brought up by the participants during that meeting and then since then staff has in has heard from several of the neighbors um the concerns include an increase to traffic in the surrounding neighborhoods as well as along Power Road and the intersection of Dallas and Power Road also there was a concern about the existing wall height along the west property line the neighbors explained that the existing wall is closer to 5T in height and they were concerned about privacy in their backyards so the applicant has been working with the neighbors and will continue to work with the neighbors to replace their existing block walls with a new 8ot block wall to provide them more privacy the neighbors are also concerned about the disruption of their existing quiet neighborhood particularly with vehicles and with children who will likely live in this multiple residential development they're also concerned about parking along the surrounding streets because uh the uh proposed development does meet the required parking ratio of 2.1 parking spaces per unit um but the neighbors are concerned that that's not adequate to serve the the proposed development also they're concerned about the building Heights the request does comply with the Mesa 2040 General plan and it does comply with chapter 69 of the Mesa zoning ordinance for site plan review it also complies with chapter 22 of the Mesa zoning ordinance for a pad overlay and staff recommends approval with conditions and I'm happy to answer any questions the applicant is here as well thank you Jennifer appreciate it thank you any questions for go ahead uh Jennifer thanks for the presentation so just uh trying to understand uh the the part even though it's a parking lot right now the existing zoning allows for residential um it's RS6 allows for residential development correct board me or uh chair and board member Peterson that's correct okay so then just understanding what is um in in looking at some of the uh the the neighborhood feedback through the citizens participation program to understand what is allowed by right in RS6 versus what this plan is offering and just a few things so you already mentioned that typically the code would just have a the six foot wall along the west property line and and this there's an agreement to take it to 8 feet for greater privacy that's correct okay and then on the the rear setback if there was under the current zoning um what's the rear setback for uh RS6 zoning uh chair board member Peterson I'd have to look that up I believe it's 25 feet but I I don't know if someone could confirm that for me chair I'll I'll look that up give me one minute here okay 15 per story I was trying to remember the back side that right for the the current Zoning for for RS6 the rear setback is 20 ft okay so it's 20 and and what's the and the setback for this plan to those first uh units is is what what's that Dimension chair board member Peterson the required setback for the rm2 is 15 feet per story but yeah what what's provided on the plan I guess 25 ft so so so the current by Rite is 20 minimum but this is providing some 25 addition to that correct okay and then for the building Heights um what is the Rachel what's the the height for the height maximum for RS6 30 feet okay so it's 30 and then the the first the the uh the the closest to the West are twostory buildings right and what's the height of those buildings uh chair board member Peterson I'll let the applicant address that question but I know that the maximum height of the three story buildings on this proposed site is 30 ft okay so even the three stories are within the current by zoning and then the the two stories may be some we we'll have the applicant say what those are the current three story buildings would be permitted with the rezoning correct but bet even the RS6 the current zoning by right H allows up to 30 feet correct right right okay all right and we'll defer to the applicant for that other question when they get up okay thank you thank you oh wait I'm sorry one more question and and then the uh for some of the the the traffic things the Dreamland Village is just to confirm that's that's in the county um right now so so County mcdot would be the the controlling traffic Authority for a lot of those things chair board member Peterson that's correct the county has jurisdiction I Evan double checked and uh Dallas Street is within the county jurisdiction okay and the road ways within Dreamland um that neighborhood or also County okay thank you any other questions from the board no okay all right thank you chff okay with that we do have several people that like to speak on this one so do we have anybody on the phone on this one or just the blue cards okay perfect so what we'll do is I'll go through these I'll call you up and and everybody gets three minutes to kind of talk to us about uh what your opinion is on this one and we'd appreciate if you kind of hold to that um and if you come up and state your name and address to start off that would be appreciated as well so let's start with uh Carol Leonard there she is thank you Carol pull this down oh yeah um my name is Carol Leonard my address is 613 North 67th Place uh our property is the largest of the properties in the whole of Dreamland we back right up to the parking lot that they're going to be putting the two stories in that's 25 ft I believe from our wall to the twostory and I was the one that asked because that wall that existing wall is only 4 in wide 5T tall I'm only 4 11 so I could look right over it and I'm thinking you know at first I was majorly upset cuz we attend the church so I knew right away when they were selling the property that it's going to be sold for something I was really glad that it wasn't a drive-through restaurant because that would have meant traffic constantly driving through and the trash cans we always have problems with roof rats in those areas and I'm thinking trash cans and you know and then we've had problems with transients that have been sleeping back there in the parking lot so we've had to have that that so I'm really happy that they're doing the 8ft wall I'm really happy that they're putting the trees in there and even though I can't look out and see the sun coming up or look at the distance because I want to feel claustrophobic with two stories um I do feel like they're trying to work with us I think the problem is for me is that we are a senior citizen community so uh there's only four parking spots in that whole 38 unit complex that's extra you got two people that are going to have living in or more and they're going to have two cars I don't know very people that only have two one car where are they going to park there's not enough parking for visitors or it's a lot of a lot of buildings on that parking lot it's not that big so and then I didn't hear anything about the drainage I know they said that there is going to be one one area that's going to have for the water reservoir water coming down that gets filled up we've my mother and father own the property and then so all these years we've been able to see how that is and it'll fill up so I know they were talking about underground so I'd like to have them address that and then um we've always taken care of the trees along that wall I never expected it and have anybody else taking take care of that they would do their side and we would do our side so and and um you know I learned a lot listening to the other people so that's basically what my my thing is I think that we're concerned for traffic and it's going to change the context possibly of the community because we live off a decater even though it's 67th um them cutting through the neighborhood and just blowing down that that Decor to get through to get you done to University we're going to probably put speed bumps in there and I thought about even signs with like you know Walkers or or even couple of old people dancing with walkers but some signs along the way to say Hey listen slow down we have elderly here the Dynamics of our community has changed over the years and we're so working so hard to try to keep the Dynamics of the of the community because they are we are an older community even though I don't consider myself old I'm 65 now but that Community is has tried to maintain the Integrity of it and so I think that's one of the issues that they're having with this large complex so that's what I hear and other than that that's all I can give you thank you okay appreciate your comments thank you very much uh next I have uh Joe Kurt CTO CTO is that it CTO sorry yes yeah anyway yes I'm Joe CTO and I live at 6664 East as Mo which is sort of right around the corner from you know Dallas in 67th and um yeah again one of his biggest concerns is really you know just traffic okay it's like um you know just human nature um people always try to find Cut throughs and stuff because um mean just when you know any of us try to pull out on Power Road sometimes we have to sit there for quite a while for all the traffic to get by by okay so these the people in the apartments you know they're going to choose probably to pull out of the Dallas gate instead of on the power Roe they can just pull out and then think okay we're just going to cut through these neighborhoods then go over the University or go up to Brown or whatever and it is going to create a lot of traffic through the neighborhood okay and um you know it's going to be nois and and so forth and um I mean me and my wife we have grandkids that come over and yeah we play in the street you know and um so that's just going to create another situation there um you know even though of course you know we you know we watch them all that but still it's just going to add to traffic and uh create a you know bit of a little bit of a safety problem there and just take again take away from you know from what we used to just being able again to really just go out and play in the street you know on the weekends or whatever or when we have the grandkids and um then also um you know it's just going to be noise and um you know then there there's the school up there it's just I think it's going to be you know just add a lot of extra traffic and so forth you know to that particular area and um I didn't come real prepared but um I mean those you know really some of my my concerns and it's just really going to change the neighborhood like you know the other lady was saying and um and like say it's just going to be traffic you know you know with people cutting through and so forth I used to live in Chandler and then I used to live in nice little CER sack when I first moved there then that big mall came up and whatever and all of a sudden people are getting they're cutting through our cold Sack or or I'm sorry little corner street to avoid the intersection you know I lost two cats from people running them over you know then I finally stopped letting my cats out but it's only that was only because people are cutting through our neighborhood to avoid intersections and so forth and um I can tell you that's going to happen for sure right here where people going to be coming in when they're going to be leaving that apartment complex they're going to probably be C through your neighborhood because again just wait traffic is now you just got to sit there so long to get out and Power Road you know particularly then you got the um library right across the street you know and you know people you know that takes a lot of you know a lot of people go there and so they you know pull into the center lane to make their turns and they're they you know kind of blocking traffic just going to be like it's just going to be a traffic nightmare you know and then again it's just going to disrupt our whole neighborhood you know and then again there's the whole parking thing I mean four Extra Spaces come on I mean if anybody you know if if if four tenants have people over where are those people going to park thank you know where appreciate your comments and then right across the street on Dallas there's that senior apartment complex okay and quite a few of those they park on the street even though they have parking in the back but it's just easier for them to park on the street just to walk out their front door and get in their car Mr Cur you're P your 3 minutes if you can wrap up real quick for us we appreciate that okay so again U it's just going to it's just going to be a parking problem you know and then um again just all the traffic through the neighborhood and just disrupting things so that's all I can f it in three minutes thank you Mr C we appreciate your comments uh next I have Jeffrey pedit hello I am Jeffrey petite and uh 6655 East Dallas Street I liveed there right on Dallas I I gave you this all right you might see the signatures there's 68 signatures I was concerned I went around to my neighbors within 500 ft of the complex that they want to build wondering what in the world they think about all this everyone said we do not want this we're very concerned we're older people a lot of cars a lot of traffic a lot of noise we got the we bought these homes because we wanted a quiet place uh 55 plus place we didn't want all the hustle and bustle we already struggled trying to get off of uh get on the Power Road because there's a lot of traffic as he mentioned um there is an uh exit and entrance to this proposed plan right there on Dallas which of course creates all a lot of exiting and entering from that 30 8 units right there on Dallas which creates a lot more uh danger for us puts us in danger especially the much older people I'm representing uh 68 people at sign because they said they couldn't make it a lot of them are up to 95 years old um and they're they can't walk very well they can't travel they couldn't come here they're embarrassed they're scared to come here and speak in public so I'm speaking for them um we see that there's very few very little parking uh for the extra parking for the facilities inside there they say there's two per per unit and there's a a few extra but we know that in my experience I've lived in neighborhoods that were same kind of complexes um these are up to four bedroom units three and four bedrooms and their family and a lot of them will have teenagers that drive so you don't have two cars you have I mean when I was there I had five cuz I have teenagers right they all go to work so where are they going to park they can't fit and a lot of people moving in of course they have a lot of stuff uh what our experience has been is half the garage is stored stuff and the other half you stick a little car in and then you don't have another spot so we're looking for other places to park big problem and then if you have visitors on the weekend any visitors where do they Park um family that wants to visit Where do they Park parties where they Park so they're going to spill out they can't park on power because there's no parking so it's going to spill out on Dallas Street right there where the other exit is and they're going to line up along the street and that reduces the street extremely to where you can barely get two cars through there if you're careful and slow we already have trouble with that and now we're going to have 308 units all these extra cars and they're going to be looking for someplace to park they're going to park all along that street they're going to go all the way down my street in front of my house going to go all around the corner and uh the people are concerned so talking to them they said no they didn't address our concerns uh we don't think they really wanted to listen to us and we're very concerned and we're older people retired we want some peace and quiet and it looks like there's going to be all these cars 38 units going back and forth down our streets and uh we can't hardly we're afraid we won't be able to back up out of our driveways that all these cars zooming by and because we have trouble driving as it is or older people and then all of a sudden their the main exit to get on the power it's already difficult for everybody with all that and then they want to put a bus station right there do you know about the bus station it's not on the plan but they want to put a bus station right there in front of these units so you have a bus stopping there and people standing there so a lot of congestion blocking a view uh there's no turn lane on power to get into the unit so it's not as easy as uh may you might think so a lot of people are going to just use Dallas Dallas Dallas and so we're talking about a lot of traffic coming out of there older people just trying to get onto the road going to have traffic problems accidents and a lot of people parking down our streets and these the older people up to 95 years old the ones I talked to they don't they can't handle people they don't know parking front of their houses and it just makes them real insecure really scared afraid and uh some of them the ones that live right there behind maybe one or two but the ones I talked to all the ones I talked to said we do not like these things right behind our house and their signatures are on there so a lot of them I couldn't talk to because I only took one day cuz I work and so I got to at least half of the people that were home and almost all of them except for one said we do not want this rezoned we do not want to see this facility built here they need to put something else besides all these units with all this traffic thank you thank you Mr sorry I got your name wrong there appreciate appreciate your comments all right and then I have Jack Leonard good evening Jack Leonard 613 North 67th please thank you for your time board um most of my concerns have been addressed I have two other ones the one of them the Turnin off of Power Road when we first had the meeting they were talking about moving the Turnin farther south and that my concern with that would be that we have Decor by the library with a leftand turn designated left-hand turn lane if you move that entry farther south they're not going to be able to pull into the center lane to make a left hand turn they're going to have to sit in the outside Lane of Power Road to turn left into the complex that's one of my major concerns because they said they were going to move that entry so I was concerned about that my other major concern my wife bought up was the water retention because the area of the water retention is there uh I talked to the representative for the client he said I brought it up in the initial meeting and I don't think they thought about that but they said they're going to go with underground retention but also they're going to use the 25 ft setback along the wall for some of the water retention I just want to make sure if that's what they do that it's going to be properly graded so the water does go down and be retained and not we don't need the water the grading sloping into the new wall they're going to put up and run down the wall cuz that will deteriorate the wall and one other thing the one couple the one arly couple two houses up from us in the middle that's where they're going to put the barbecue and the grill and the playground and all that and that's directly behind their house so being elderly people just the extra noise and volume thank you for your time thank you Mr lonard I appreciate your comments okay and no one on Zoom right that's all we have for is for blue cars okay all right with that we will invite the applicant to come up to respond there we go you have a presentation or yeah okay do we have another one okay do we have another one they're saying they submitted cards online is what I'm hearing but we we don't have yeah yeah you could U so if you could come up if you could state your name and address for us and then uh I'll give you three minutes does that work please thank you yeah I think that's fine hi I'm Gil Ashley I live at 66 60 oh down hold the mic down just a little bit so you hear you a little better you're good oh you couldn't hear me oh that's weird no you're okay okay yeah now go okay I live at 66 63 East Dallas Street and um I'm concerned about everything that everybody has come up and said if they're perfectly right but it doesn't it does say that there is a a bu a bus station coming out there and I'm like can you imagine all of that and we have already heard and now they got a bus station coming up it says it on the paper actually on the the um um Power Road side my point is um I'm freaking out a little bit because I keep seeing all these kids want to ride their bikes down the road and toys and the little pedals and stuff like that that's that's scary to me I'm a mother a grandmother a great grandmother and I have dogs now my kids are gone you know I didn't want that anymore I like them to come and visit I'm like them to go bye-bye you know cuz um I want quiet but I mean I like kids around we like kids with their families that's that's necessary but wow not I'm worried about the but I'm worried about the the road so so you know how Mesa has big huge uh streets for the they don't we don't we don't have very big wide streets so getting around two people getting around two cars is fine but if you got somebody even us if we park our car we have a company or something we they have to go around or they have to wait and then they go around it's not as easy as everybody might think it would be but honestly this was my this was supposed to be my last my last must stop before I get to go to heaven this but it's not looking really good at the moment it's kind of worrying me I don't want to move again most of us can't move again we're too done with that so anyway that's mostly my my situation um and also the um there's many many uh times when the fire department and the ambulance come down that road and so that's another consideration that they might want to that uh think about so anyway thank you for listening appreciate it all right thank you was a Gail right I believe think I wrote that down okay oh we have another one too just one more two more okay okay if you could state your name and address for us for the thank you my name is Robin Fryman I'm a transplant from Minnesota so here I am in Arizona now and getting used to that uh lived in aache Junction for a while moved down into Dreamland Villa and we are a community there I think you've heard people from the group The Community of Dreamland Villa that reside in this area where they're thinking about adding all these additional buildings and the thing that concerns me the most is the safety the safety I looked at my window one morning and there was a woman with a walker and a dog and she was stopped in the middle of the street right directly in front of Gail's house and I took the liberty of going out my house I walked up to her and I said can I help you you look like you're having a hard time she's out getting her exercise and she's exercising her dog and herself at the same time and I was worried for her and she is still out there we saw her the other day doing the same thing she's taken the opportunity to get her exercise and do the dog at the same time and unfortunately you know that's going to happen and they don't always watch the Speed with which they're driving down Dallas we had a car delivery today with a great big semi go down Dallas Street delivering a car from I guess carvana or wherever the car was ordered from but that's a concern that's my biggest concern is the safety of the people the identity of the community and we don't want to lose that I mean we live there for a reason we're retired like Gail said maybe this is our last place to live but we want it to be the way it is and we don't need some other people coming in and building and causing in that little tiny parking lot you know town houses it's just amazing to think that it could ever happen but we're hoping it doesn't and so we're here to Rally there's not many of us but I think we did a good job telling you how it is thank you for your time thank you for your comments all right we're good okay thank you everybody okay invite you back up here me again sorry John gaspie pan Lake 174 South Val Vista uh represent the developer on this case um I think I will go through our our slide deck here as it IT addresses a few of the comments that were raised by neighbors grateful that we had such a good turnout and and the um the community is engaged here our site is a really small site uh let's make this bigger sorry I might need Jennifer to put to the right two more over my that my technician there you go H do we like that okay um as mentioned it's it's overflow parking for the Via Church which is up on Adobe in power uh the church has uh studied their parking against the zoning requirements and and they no longer need this site for their parking needs um the uh directly across the street from Red Mountain uh library and and next to all the the great facilities that the city of mes has put in in this uh this part of of the city and and really one of the attractive uh things to the developer here is being close to those City facilities uh General plan is neighborhood as was mentioned in Jennifer's good presid presentation uh the current zoning is is important it's a little of a mismatch since we have County zoning here uh truly an infill site uh currently zoned RS6 to uh to the north of us in the county there's three uh fourplex units that are zoned R3 which is a multif family designation to the West it's R16 to the South we have a an R RV and Commercial storage uh site uh in the GC Zone and then across the the the major uh Power Road arterial is um public facilities uh so we really think that the rm2 uh pad works well as an infill site and that we've done a a really good job working uh with staff to give considerations to the existing conditions um of the of the area uh to talk about a few of those uh those characteristics on the site plan here so we are 38 town home style units uh the parking for the site uh the ratio ends up being a little bit over 2.1 uh per unit and I do want to just since it was raised show just for illustration purposes those duplexes that are directly to the north since um those in this in the area are familiar with those that's 12 units there and they have 12 covered spaces as you can see on on this uh site here to the north directly north of us and so um that's one parking stall per unit that that site is currently parked at and um we are proposing 2.1 uh per unit and so there's obviously differences between those unit Styles but I think that's a fair illustration to show that we we really want to provide good parking the developer has an incentive to to park this development to meet their needs um there will be Association uh agreements in place with with the uh development that uh manage how many cars can can uh each uh resident have uh in the site and control for some of those those concerns uh the site itself uh W out laid out with really nice open space and amenities to address um to make it a nice living area that it's a market rate um product that that really we think is going to add a lot of value to to this part of the city uh talking about the buff ring so we have seven neighbors who are directly adjacent to the site and uh those neighbors I I think we've gotten a pretty good reception actually as to the the steps that we have taken to to buffer this this site uh we do have an average 30-ft landscape buffer there so since the homes have been uh diagonally aligned both for an aesthetic p uh purpose and then as well to uh mitigate you know potential concerns of of um looking into to neighboring properties that ends up being a 35 foot uh distance to the building and 25t at the closest but 35t at the the furthest so it's actually a 30 foot um average there which is above the as was mentioned the R16 um current zoning entitlement we also uh explicitly said let's put in one 36 in box tree for each unit that's in that buffer so we put 17 trees in there uh to uh to create a nice buffer there 29 total trees in that western boundary so really a a a a well-landscaped area to to help with that and then uh one of the biggest concerns the existing wall really is closer to 5 F feet and so um an improvement to that the developer has agreed to to raise that up to 8T which is a significant cost to the developer but um was mentioned by the neighbors and and we think it's a um a good thing to do for this this site another design uh characteristic we put the uh front patios on the east side of each of those twostory uh town homes and so that creates the active area is on the east side interior to our site uh lighting those type of noise those things are mitigated because that that's moved to the interior of the site I'll share here Ju Just I guess factual for some some information our site not perfectly disc scale is down there in in the the bottom right of this uh against Power Road as you can see Power roads a major AR in the city there's there's 20,000 plus cars that go down power roads so we certainly understand um the concern of of having to wait to get onto Power Road for that purpose our our main entrance into our site off of power we have uh large site visibility that's been set up there it's um there's not buildings directly onto our um onto where we're going to turn out onto Power Road so we've created a nice landscape and and Gathering area that that's an amenity for residents but also it creates some open space for for cars to make it attractive to turn from there as well obviously we can go to the um the public uh Street there on Dallas and and use that to go in and out of the site I really don't think that there's um any incentive for a resident to uh go through the neighborhood power Road's going to be the quickest access to amenities uh shopping um and work and so I I really think that's the primary way that that current residents use and and what will will continue to be used by the proposed development human agreed um okay thank you very much I um am happy to take any any comments that uh or questions that the board might have any questions go ahead I I appreciate your your presentation one one of the the comments that that came up a lot was parking and I know that uh there are there are what 10 or 11 visitor spaces that are that are on the site plan right now but you mentioned something about limiting the number of cars by agreement by the ccnr or other agreement is that did I hear you correctly that that yes so the the ccnr uh or the association documents can be used to um for a couple of things number one they can be used to say you have a garage space that garage space cannot be used for storage it needs to be used for um for parking um so that's one consideration uh there's a mix of of uh garage driveway and surface spaces so for each of the units it does have two spaces directly allocated to that unit um so that the city of Mesa doesn't govern explicitly that aspect but we will be able to say each unit has two spaces either a garage or two garage and a driveway directly to that unit um so the actual surface spaces that could be used for um visitor parking is I'm I'm going to do the math on the top of my head is you're right it's about there's six on the East and then another five in the center if I so it's it's 11 11 spaces that would be solely this is this is for visitor a visitor and then as well obviously the designating spaces a visitor could could park in their um their driveway but but the uh the cc&rs are going to have a limit on on the number of cars yes ccnr will be used to to limit the park available to Residents yeah sure C sorry chair Peterson can I share just one other thing because I I think you you've raised a couple other things I maybe not address from the neighbors question about drainage um we we are going to need to do underground uh storage here so the majority of the the rain water that hits this site will be put into underground storage tanks keep it off of the nice new wall and um that area can have some degree of of volume in it because it will be um a large landscape area but the majority of of drainage is taking place in underground storage tanks and uh the question on uh I think I I touched on the Turning movements and kind of our expected movements onto power um being a right turn out of the site potentially could be done then and and as well onto Power Road or lefts being made the distance from our site's entrance on power to decater uh was reviewed by the city of Mesa and determined to be a safe uh turning distance and so um that was thoroughly vetted by the city of Mesa to um to not have conflicts and the City of Mesa um were agreed they asked us to put that bus stop in front of our site there already is a bus stop to the south of our site in front of the commercial um proper property and that's it's just a it's doesn't have a covered um it's not a covered bus stop doesn't have kind of the nice amenities that the nice bus bus stops today have so we're agreeing to relocate it in front of our site which will benefit our residents and as well it benefits the city providing a nicer nicer bus stop um right there that I think that address some of them there so John quick before you go TR so I'm trying I was just trying to look this up real quick so your underground retention is that in the I see the catch basins but I'm not seeing the drawing is that all in the road no it I I'll defer to uh the design team a little bit but it does um the the main Drive aisle is that is that what you're referring to not not an offsite road but our main Ro exactly that's where the underground storage would be I figured because I see the catch Bas okay that's correct okay thanks for your presentation and uh so then in the rear on the west side that the open space space buffer it'll be sloped away from the wall back towards the project so so nothing will flow towards the wall exactly that's the design they would put in there gotcha and then on my my uh the the question previously with staff on what is the height of those uh the the units that are that are closest on the west side to the wall the twostory units what's the maximum yes thank you for bringing me back to that one so um you are correct the current RS6 allow a 30t height rm2 would allow 30 foot our three story buildings will be up to the the 30ft allowance along Power Road the twostory buildings have an 18t height Building height and then there is a parit over the garages which is on the Eastern side of that building that goes up to 20 uh 20 to 21 ft that's a limited parit so it's not it it actually is not going to be visual from the western side of of those town homes but it is an 18 18t High Building height on the western town homes okay gotcha and then on the um and you'd mentioned on the access for the Central Access way on power that is full movement left turns in left turns out ride in right out everything will be allowed from that absolutely and it's Central uh closer to most of the units and and our anticipated most of our movements will be from from that location right and left gotcha and then as far as any any jurisdictional traffic uh feedback either from City Mesa Transportation or from mcdot what what Communications have been helping uh typically the city of Mesa when they know that there's County nearby they will ask us to to reach out to the county to get their feedback and their review so we did that very early on in the process with mcdot to say hey here's our proposed uh unit count our uh development being residential and um they review that to say this meets our standards they look at it and they do their traffic analysis to say okay we do think the majority of you know units or the majority of cars would probably use the city streets but they confirm to us that they have no concerns with with the number of cars that would go down there um on County Roads and the maintenance of those roads um so that's that issue we have County and it should be in your packet there um their approval of our our proposed project gotcha so design wise public safety reasons they were that the mcdot was comfortable mcdot was comfortable Public Safety okay thanks and then okay I think that's all I had thanks Detroit anything over here you guys are All Quiet on the I had a question about the answer answer okay cool I actually have one more for you so by the way I misspoke you had a total looks like 14 surface spaces because I forgot the ones in the center where the handicapped are so there's an initial three so 14 total I I said 11 earlier so I but I did have a question if you look on the site plan I don't know if we can bring that up real quick on uh the far left uh building type h and you'll see on the far right building type c there is a pullout that's just uh located west of the buildings what is that is that a loading or another parking space do you see what I'm talking about like a driveways drive so you're your previous comment and that comment are actually uh connected so while there might be 14 surface stalls those units do not have um a a carport in front of theirs and so they need to use one of the surface bases so the 14 Surface three of those are reserved for those those units because um there's going to be the city of Mesa wants a differentiation of the payment so that's not actually used for for parking in front of those garages and what what are those little turnout are those additional parking surface parking do you know what I you into Building C and building h those would not be those are not type Building C you're looking at the far right hand side directly to the top of that on the page to the west of the building there's a pull out in the curb oh it's a parallel parking spot along the drive Val okay so there's two additional that I didn't okay that's correct okay got it I just wanted to understand what that was if that was like a loading area or something okay I'm good any other questions Troy guys are all good you're good nothing J go go for it do you know how many units are south of the entrance on off a Power Road I'm just mentally thinking through this thing can I just count real quick I I guess I wasn't sure how many are how many units are in type h and type G shown on the site plan here in type A my architect can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that there's 12 units south of that main entrance 12 units okay of the 38 so so building type h is a a three-story building and building type G is a two-story building okay okay thank you okay anything else last chance okay I think we're good thank you you all right with that I will close the public hearing portion of this and open up this one for aort discussion sure we go forward so so in uh kind of going through in both the the uh the the comments made here tonight by the public and then also the the previous uh comments during the course of the the the last few months with the application on and and in looking over the various issues on the the the building height the setbacks um compared to what is by right allowed in the in the zoning the access the full access onto um from the Central Drive I think that's critical that they have the full access um there and that the heights are are not only um they a especially on the the western side that the heights are are quite a bit less than even what the existing all allows and then on the the parking and traffic um I appreciate the the uh responses from both mcdot and City Mesa Transportation but then on the parking and the parking concerns in in looking at those and thinking that I mean a a lot of multifam projects that we get they say that the code already requires weight to too much and they're asking for reductions right and so in this case it even exceeds a little bit what what's above there which um what which would would would lead to think that that's and and then I appreciate the um the applicant and what they're willing to do with managing and having having some restrictions in self- enforcement over over the res parking that that'll be there as well yeah so those are my comments anybody Jason uh considering the comments made by the public today um I understand the fear about the parking I could easily see where visitors would not find a spot available and then the obvious uh attraction would be to park on Dallas or somewhere close nearby um when considering the drive-thru park or traffic I'm kind of thinking this through if we've got 12 units that are south of that entrance I would assume that those 12 units or potentially 24 cars would come and go out of that entrance the 26 that are north of that between Dallas and there um I would think that half of those would would then use Dallas to get access to power and then maybe half may go through the neighborhood so if you're looking at that that's 17 cars more or less per day maybe twice a day going up and down the streets which would be an added amount of traffic but I don't know that that's an owner amount considering that these are uh it's a 33t or 66t wide Street of Dallas and then 50 foot wide throughout the neighborhood um but I do understand that's there uh that that would be a change and a consideration uh so with those things I think that the the developer has acknowledged a lot of the issues the one issue that I'd be curious to see how it plays out or how they're able to restrict it whether it's through a rental agreement on top off C cnrs would be the parking and so that's just a question that I have out there I don't know that there's a right or wrong answer anybody else thought you um well I'll try in here so I think starting to look back at this from the beginning again I I appreciate everybody's comments and I understand a lot of them when you look at this from a purely zoning standpoint this is a thin slot that's on Power Road the original RS6 um that is not a feasible let's be honest it's not a feasible use for that property it would never develop that way um and I think that considering where it could go this is one of the better uses that could happen on this site especially for the neighborhood that's right there um I think that a lot of the concerns that I had about access and parking the you know client has worked through that um a lot of the things that were set up on the board I agree with I think that looking through and understanding you know I would be a little bit more concerned for example if Dallas went all the way through to 64th that would be a much easier path of least resistance human nature as I heard earlier as a comment if it went through that would be obviously be really easy but they that doesn't go through so they'd have to be kind of winding through and it makes me wonder if someone would actually go that direction and I think that your perspective Jason is actually quite good as well um with the parking um again and I Echo Troy's comments um typically when we see you know these types of developments we're seeing asking for parking reductions almost I'd say almost all of them really do it seems like so I I applaud that um that they're actually seeking more and I agree I actually appreciate that there's a ccnr that would limit those so you would never see those five cars for example that would not happen in an development with the ccnr is in place so that and then just the planning of of it myself you know you look I appreciate that they went through and thought through the backside of this and gave a pretty significant uh setback along the backside and the addition of the new 8ot wall I think is is good so with all these things I I'm in favor of of this project kind of moving as approved as as staff has indicated and I would uh see what everybody else on the board thinks so I'm happy to make that motion unless anybody else has any more discussion no all right so with that I would uh move to approve uh Z 23-4 95 the power Town town home within the 600 block of North Power Road and within the 6700 block of East Dallas Street located north of University Drive and west of Power Road this is a reone from single residence 6 to multiple residence 2 with a planned area development overlay and a site plan review the stack recommendation is approval with conditions anybody second I'll second all right and with that everybody please vote okay unanimous approval with everyone on the board that's here today approving to go through with uh the power Town Homes we appreciate everybody's comments and we thank you for your time I think that was it for is there any other updates you no Mary did you have any other updates for the board uh chair board members no other updates thank you all right thank you man all right with that I would love to entertain a motion to adjourn I motion to adjourn second second all right all those in favor please move and I'm is that the new one I guess all right we're good to go I think unanimous thank you everybody for being here did you move to move move to move she move to move