GOOD EVENING EVERYONE AND WELCOME. I WILL CALL THIS BLOOMINGTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER TONIGHT IS MONDAY, MARCH 3RD, 2025. THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE WHO IS JOINING US HERE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS THANKS TO EVERYBODY WHO'S WATCHING IT ONLINE. WE WILL START OUR MEETING AS WE ALWAYS DO. IF YOU'RE ABLE TO PLEASE STAND REMOVE YOUR CAPS AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL . ONCE AGAIN, THANKS TO EVERYBODY FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING. COUNSEL, GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL. THANKS FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS TONIGHT IS TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA AND THE AGENDA IS AS FOLLOWS COUNCIL THE ENTIRE INTRODUCTORY ITEMS WE HAVE THREE ITEMS UNDER INTRODUCTORY ITEMS WE HAVE THE INTRODUCTION OF NEW EMPLOYEES ARE SCOTT ANDERSON FROM OUR UTILITIES DEPARTMENT WILL BE INTRODUCING I THINK 1 OR 2 EMPLOYEES IN THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION UNDER ITEM 2.2 WHICH IS A PROCLAMATION FOR WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH AND THEN ITEM 2.3 WE'RE GOING TO HEAR THE WORK PLAN PRESENTATION FOR THE BLOOMINGTON CITYWIDE CREATIVE PLACEMAKING PLAN AND CREATIVE PLACEMAKING AS I SAID WORKPLAN FOR 2025 THAT'LL BE ITEM 2.3. ITEM THREE OUR CONSENT BUSINESS. WE'VE GOT TEN ITEMS ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA TONIGHT. COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO HAS OUR CONSENT AGENDA. THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. UNDER ITEM FOUR HEARINGS, RESOLUTIONS AND ORDINANCES WE HAVE ONE RESOLUTION THAT WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THIS IS A RESOLUTION UNDER ITEM 4.1 TO ADOPT THE WEST METRO MULTI COMMUNITY WELLHEAD PROTECTION PLAN PART ONE UNDER OUR ORGANIZATIONAL BUSINESS WE HAVE ITEM 5.1 WHICH IS A STUDY ITEM REGARDING IT'S A PROGRESS REPORT ON THE SELF LOOP DEVELOPMENT PLAN UPDATE AND THEN ITEM 5.2 WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE AND ULTIMATELY A RESOLUTION TO UPDATE OUR COUNCIL MEETING PROCEDURES WILL WRAP UP WITH ITEM 5.3 OUR CITY COUNCIL POLICY AND ISSUE UPDATE COUNCIL ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT OR ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO WHAT I JUST STATED HEARING NONE I WOULD MOVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA AS STATED SECOND MOTION AND THE SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER CARTER TO ACCEPT TONIGHT'S AGENDA AS STATED NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO AND WE HAVE AN AGENDA AND AS I MENTIONED OUR FIRST ITEM ON THAT AGENDA IS THE INTRODUCTION OF NEW EMPLOYEES SCOTT ANDERSON FROM OUR UTILITIES DEPARTMENT WILL BE MAKING THE INTRODUCTIONS. MR. ANDERSON GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS TONIGHT I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF OF INTRODUCING TWO OF OUR NEWEST EMPLOYEES TO UTILITIES ELEAZAR BROWN YOU AND ANDREW TENNEY START WITH ELEAZAR. ELEAZAR IS CURRENTLY ONE OF OUR UTILITIES MAINTENANCE WORKERS. HE COMES TO US WITH EIGHT YEARS OF LOOKING EXPERIENCE UTILITY WORKING EXPERIENCE, EXPERIENCE WITH GAS POWER AND FIBER OPTICS THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF MINNESOTA. HE'S EXTENSIVE KNOWLEDGE OF UNDERGROUND UTILITIES SPECIFICALLY HERE IN BLOOMINGTON AND HE'S BEEN HERE FOR ABOUT FIVE MONTHS. HE'LL BE WORKING PREDOMINANTLY WITH OUR AS OUR MAIN LOCATOR WITH THE GO FOR STATE ONE CAR PROGRAM AS WELL AS ASSISTING WITH OUR WITH OUR CREWS AND AND RIGHT AWAY PROGRAM CLEANING OWLS ARE WELCOME WELCOME THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT ANDREW IS AN OFFICE SUPPORT SPECIALIST IN UTILITIES. HE'S BEEN WITH US FOR ABOUT TWO MONTHS AND IS A RESIDENT OF BLOOMINGTON AND ENJOYS THE CREEK LOWER VALLEY AREA AS WELL AS THE MILE. PRIOR TO JOINING US HERE IN BLOOMINGTON HE WORKED FOR THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE SO HE HAS BRINGS A UNIQUE SKILLSET TO US AND SOME EXPERIENCE WITH WITH THE PUBLIC. HE'LL BE WORKING PREDOMINANTLY AT OUR FRONT COUNTER INTERACTING WITH WITH CUSTOMERS RESIDENTS CONTRACTORS ON EVERYTHING WATER AND SEWER RELATED AND AND WILL HELP GENERATE THOSE WORK ORDERS FOR OUR CREWS AND MAKE SURE THAT WORK GETS DONE OUT IN THE FIELD AND MAKE SURE WE KEEP ON THE RIGHT TRACK. VERY GOOD. WELL, WELCOME TO YOU ANDREW AS WELL. THANKS. WELCOME TO BOTH OF YOU. YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, OUR UTILITIES DIVISION CONSTANTLY GETS CONSISTENTLY GETS HIGH HIGH MARKS FROM OUR RESIDENTS AND SO THE WORK YOU'RE DOING IS IMPORTANT AND WE LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING YOU CONTINUE THAT. AND AND AS I TELL OUR NEW EMPLOYEES AS WE WELCOME THEM AT EACH MEETING IN A LOT OF WAYS FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE YOU'RE THE FACE OF BLOOMINGTON WHETHER IT'S BEHIND THE COUNTER OR OUT IN THE FIELD YOU'RE THE FACE OF BLOOMINGTON. WHEN PEOPLE INTERACT WITH YOU, THEY'RE INTERACTING WITH THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. SO IT'S A BIT OF A RESPONSIBILITY BUT ONE I KNOW THAT YOU'RE READY TO TAKE ON AND REPRESENT BLOOMINGTON IN A POSITIVE AND VERY HELPFUL LIGHT. SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE WITH US THIS EVENING. WELCOME ADAM 2.2 ON OUR AGENDA IS A PROCLAMATION FOR WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH AND I'M GOING TO COME DOWN TO THE PODIUM A PROCLAMATION TONIGHT IS FOR WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH MARCH OF 2025 AND THIS WAS BROUGHT FORWARD BY OUR WOMEN'S EMPLOYEE RESOURCE GROUP THAT WE HAVE HERE IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON AND AS WE DO WITH OUR PROCLAMATIONS, I'D LIKE TO INVITE MEMBERS OF OUR GROUP TO COME AND STAND WITH ME HERE AS WE READ THE PROCLAMATION WE HAVE OUR COLLEEN HERMANN FRANZEN FROM PUBLIC HEALTH, RENEE CLARK FROM PARKS AND CAITLIN HAMPTON ,THANKS FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. SO WE'LL I'LL READ THE PROCLAMATION AND THEN TURN IT OVER TO MIKE OVER TO WHOEVER WANTS TO STEP UP AND SPEAK SO OFF WE GO. OKAY WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION FOR WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH MARCH 25TH WHEREAS WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH ORIGINATED IN 1981 WHEN THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS PASSED A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AND REQUESTING THE PRESIDENT PROCLAIM THE WEEK BEGINNING MARCH SEVENTH, 1982 AS WOMEN'S HISTORY WEEK. AND. WHEREAS, AFTER BEING PETITIONED BY THE NATIONAL WOMEN'S HISTORY PROJECT, CONGRESS PASSED A RESOLUTION THAT DESIGNATED THE MONTH OF MARCH 1987 AS WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH. AND. WHEREAS, SINCE 1995 U.S. PRESIDENTS HAVE ISSUED ANNUAL PROCLAMATIONS DESIGNATING THE MONTH OF MARCH AS WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH. AND. WHEREAS, THESE PROCLAMATIONS CELEBRATE THE CONTRIBUTIONS WOMEN HAVE MADE TO THE U.S. AND RECOGNIZED THE SPECIFIC ACHIEVEMENTS WOMEN HAVE MADE OVER THE COURSE OF AMERICAN HISTORY IN A VARIETY OF FIELDS . AND. WHEREAS, EVERY PERSON THAT IDENTIFIES AS A WOMAN OFFERS VALUABLE PERSPECTIVES. AND. WHEREAS, THE CITY ENDEAVORS TO CREATE A CULTURE THAT VALUES THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF ALL EMPLOYEES AND PROVIDES EQUAL OPPORTUNITY FOR PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND CAREER ADVANCEMENT. AND. WHEREAS, IN 2022 A CITY EMPLOYEE RESOURCE GROUP FORMED TO SUPPORT EMPLOYEES WHO IDENTIFY AS WOMEN AND THEIR ALLIES AND. WHEREAS, THE WOMEN'S EMPLOYEE RESOURCE GROUP BRINGS TOGETHER INDIVIDUALS IN AN INCLUSIVE WAY TO PROVIDE RESOURCES AND SUPPORT FOR WOMEN, CREATE AWARENESS OR AWARENESS AROUND WOMEN'S ISSUES THAT WOMEN FACE AND MAKE A POSITIVE IMPACT FOR WOMEN IN OUR ORGANIZATION AND OUR COMMUNITY. AND. WHEREAS, FEMALE PERSONS MAKE UP 51% OF BLOOMINGTON'S POPULATION YET REPRESENT 34% OF THE CITY'S FULL TIME WORKFORCE. AND. WHEREAS, THE WOMEN'S EMPLOYEE RESOURCE GROUP HAS AND WILL CONTINUE TO OFFER RECOMMENDATIONS ON ACTION STEPS TO SUPPORT, RETAIN AND RECRUIT FEMALE LEADERS TO THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON'S WORKFORCE NOW THEREFORE I, MAYOR TIM BUSSEY DO HEREBY PROCLAIM MARCH 2025 AS WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH IN BLOOMINGTON AND INVITE THE COMMUNITY TO CELEBRATE THE VITAL ROLE OF WOMEN IN AMERICAN HISTORY AND EXPLORE HISTORICAL RESOURCES AT WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH. DOT GOV DATED THIS THIRD DAY OF MARCH 2025. THIS IS AN ANNUAL PROCLAMATION THAT WE DO HERE IN BLOOMINGTON AND I'M ALWAYS PROUD TO DO IT AND ALWAYS PROUD TO RECOGNIZE AND TO THANK THE THE THE WOMEN WHO LEAD THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON IN SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. WE HAVE WOMEN IN LEADERSHIP POSITIONS. WE HAVE WOMEN IN ALL LEVELS OF OUR ORGANIZATION. AND I CAN SAY TO A PERSON I'M PROUD OF AND RESPECT AND REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT THEY DO EVERY SINGLE DAY AND I DO IT SO DARN WELL. SO THANK YOU TO ALL AND AS I SAID, I'M HAPPY TO TURN THE MICROPHONE NOW OVER TO POINTS TO STEP UP. THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MAYOR BUSSEY, WOMEN'S HISTORY IS AMERICAN HISTORY AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER HOW RECENT SOME OF THIS IS. FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN I THINK OF THIS MONTH I THINK ABOUT MY GRANDMOTHER ESTHER WHO WAS BORN TWO YEARS BEFORE WOMEN SECURED THE RIGHT TO VOTE IN 1929. SO IS ASTONISHING TO ME THAT I KNEW SOMEONE WHO WAS BORN BERE WE HAD THAT BASIC RIGHT. I ALSO THINK ABOUT HOW MUCH WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED DESPITE THESE BARRIERS AS THE MAYOR SAID. RIGHT. WE HAVE AMAZING FEMALE LEADERS ON OUR CITY COUNCIL AS WELL AS LEADING THE CITY ORGANIZATION SO WE'RE ESPECIALLY PROUD OF THAT. SO THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS THIS WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO TO YOUR LOCAL BOOKSTORE, GO TO THE LIBRARY AND JUST FIND A BOOK ABOUT A FEMALE FIGURE IN HISTORY THAT YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW ABOUT AND JUST LEARN SOMETHING NEW. SO HAPPY WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH AND THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING US. YOU KNOW ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE TO DO THE GRIP HAS BEEN LET'S STEP OVER HERE SO WE DON'T REALLY KNOW. ALL RIGHT. GRAB A COUPLE HERE. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HAVING OUR FRIENDS HERE. THANKS FOR YOUR NEXT STEP. ITEM 2.3 ON OUR AGENDA. THIS IS A. THE BLOOMINGTON CITY BLOOMINGTON CITYWIDE CREATIVE PLACEMAKING PLAN AND CREATIVE PLACEMAKING 2025 WORK PLAN PRESENTATION AND WE'VE GOT CAITLIN DANIELS AND ALLIE PULLING ALLIE POINTER TO TO LEAD US OFF ON THIS AND GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. >> GOOD EVENING MAYOR HELLO CITY COUNCIL ALEJANDRO PELINKA I'M THE DIRECTOR OF CREATIVE PLACEMAKING FOR THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON AND I'M TERESA SWEETLAND. I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR CAST PUBLIC ART AND HAVE BEEN THE LEAD ON THE PLANNING PROCESS. WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO BE HERE TONIGHT AND TERESA IS GOING TO KICK OFF THE PRESENTATION WITH A PRESENTATION OF OUR CITYWIDE CREATIVE PLACEMAKING PLAN TO START OFF WITH COULD GET THE SLIDES. I THINK THERE'S A IT'S THE FIRST OF THE TWO AS WE GO THROUGH SHOULD I READ THIS? I THINK THAT SHOULD WORK AND I THINK YOU HAVE TO PUT IT TOWARDS THAT. OH OKAY . OKAY. WELL THANK YOU SO MUCH. IT'S AN HONOR TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO PRESENT THIS PLAN AGAIN, THIS IS THE BLOOMINGTON CITYWIDE CREATIVE PLACEMAKING PLAN. BEFORE WE BEGIN, I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE'RE ON THE TRADITIONAL LAND OF THE DAKOTA PEOPLE AND HONOR THE GENERATIONS WHO HAVE STEWARDED THIS LAND AGAIN, MY NAME'S TERESA SWEETLAND. I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF FORECAST PUBLIC ART AND ON BEHALF OF MY TEAM AT FORECAST AND CREATIVE COMMUNITY BUILDERS AND TEN BY TEN LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE WE'RE THRILLED TO SHARE THIS VISION WITH YOU TONIGHT. THIS PLAN COMES FROM YOUR COMMUNITY FOR YOUR COMMUNITY AND I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE IT MOVE FORWARD. I WANT TO START OUT TONIGHT JUST TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY CREATIVE PLACEMAKING IS SO IMPACTFUL CREATIVE PLACEMAKING IS POWERFUL BECAUSE IT INTEGRATES ARTS, CULTURE AND DESIGN TO STRENGTHEN AND CONNECT COMMUNITIES AND WE ALL KNOW THAT CREATE A PLACEMAKING ISN'T JUST ABOUT ART AND BEAUTIFICATION. IT'S REALLY ABOUT PEOPLE AND IT'S CLEAR THAT BLOOMINGTON VALUES CREATIVE PEOPLE FROM JUST WALKING IN HERE TONIGHT WITH PEOPLE SINGING AND PERFORMING. IT'S SUCH A CREATIVE CITY THAT VALUES CREATIVE PEOPLE AND SO WHEN BLOOMINGTON INVESTS IN CREATIVE PLACEMAKING YOU CREATE SPACES WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO GATHER WHERE YOU EMPOWER LOCAL ARTISTS, YOU ATTRACT VISITORS AND SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESSES AND YOU MAKE VISIBLE THE INCREDIBLE DIVERSITY OF STORIES AND CULTURES IN YOUR COMMUNITY. IN SHORT, YOU CREATE A CITY WHERE YOU DON'T JUST LIVE BUT WHERE PEOPLE REALLY FEEL LIKE THEY BELONG. AND I WANT TO NOTE THAT THIS IS A GROUNDBREAKING GROUNDBREAKING PLAN BECAUSE FROM OUR OWN RESEARCH WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE FIRST AND ONLY CITYWIDE CREATIVE PLACEMAKING PLAN IN THE COUNTRY AND SO PLEASE CONGRATULATE YOURSELVES ON YOUR INNOVATION AND I'M SURE OTHERS WILL BE FOLLOWING WHAT YOU' DOING IN THE FUTURE. AS YOU ALL KNOW, CREATIVE PLACEMAKING IS NOT NEW TO BLOOMINGTON THE SOUTH LOOP CREATIVE PLACEMAKING PLAN STARTED IN 2016 AND REALLY SHOWED US WHAT'S POSSIBLE WHEN YOU INTEGRATE ART CULTURE AND DESIGN INTO URBAN SPACE. AND OVER THE PAST DECADE YOU'VE SEEN MURALS AND PUBLIC ART COMMUNITY PERFORMANCES AND BLOCK PARTIES AND POETRY IN THE SIDEWALKS AND HAVE TRULY ENLIVENED AND TRANSFORMED THE SOUTH LOOP. AND SO I JUST WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO RECOGNIZE THE INCREDIBLE LEADERSHIP THAT MADE THIS POSSIBLE. ALEJANDRO AND THE CREATIVE PLACEMAKING COMMISSION AND STAFF CATHERINE MURRAY YOUR WORK HAS BUILT A STRONG AND RESPECTED CREATIVE PLACEMAKING DEPARTMENT AND ONE THAT'S REALLY PUT BLOOMINGTON ON THE MAP AS A LEADER IN THE FIELD AND THAT'S RECOGNIZED BY ALL OF US WHO WORK IN THIS FIELD. SO CONGRATULATIONS FOR MAKING A DECADE POSSIBLE SO FAR. SO I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE INTEGRATION OF THIS PLAN WITH OTHER PLANNING EFFORTS. BLOOMINGTON IS A VERY PLANFUL CITY. AND WHEN WE STARTED THIS WORK WE SPENT A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME MEETING WITH CITY DEPARTMENTS AND OTHER COMMUNITY LEADERS AND FOLKS WHO'VE BEEN ENGAGED IN PLANNING EFFORTS SO FAR. AND IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO INTENTIONAL ONLY ALIGN WITH OTHER PLANNING EFFORTS THAT WERE TAKING PLACE MOST NOTABLY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND BLOOMINGTON TOMORROW TOGETHER PLAN. AND THE RESOUNDING MESSAGE WAS THAT BLOOMINGTON IS FOCUSED ON CREATING, CONNECTED AND WELCOMING IS FOCUSED ON A CONNECTED AND WELCOMING COMMUNITY WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO BE. AND YOU'LL SEE THIS THROUGHOUT THE PLAN IN EVERY GOAL. YOU'LL SEE OPPORTUNITIES FOR CROSS COLLABORATION WITH OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS AND COMMUNITY EFFORTS AND ENHANCING PROJECTS THAT FOCUS ON RELATION SHIP BUILDING AND WELCOMING PLACES AND CENTERS OF COMMUNITY. SO THIS PLAN REALLY FOCUSES ON INTEGRATING WITHIN THOSE PLANS THAT ALREADY EXIST. AND THIS PLAN ALSO FOCUSES ON VOICES OF COMMUNITY. WE HAD SUCH A GREAT TIME WORKING WITH FOUR INCREDIBLE LOCAL BLOOMINGTON ARTISTS WHO JOINED OUR TEAM OVER THE SUMMER AND FALL AND THEY ENGAGED OVER 4000 RESIDENTS THROUGH WORKSHOPS, FESTIVALS, SURVEYS, POP UP ACTIVITIES THAT TOOK PLACE ACROSS THE CITY. AND THEIR WORK REALLY HELPED TO LISTEN AND ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND THE CULTURES, HISTORIES AND ASPIRATIONS LINES OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS. AND THE MESSAGE WAS REALLY CLEAR PEOPLE HAVE VERY POSITIVE FEELINGS ABOUT THEIR CITY. THEY ALSO WANT MORE PUBLIC ART, MORE CULTURAL PROGRAMING, MORE SPACES TO GATHER AND BE CREATIVE TOGETHER. THEY ALSO HOPE TO SEE MORE DIVERSITY OF CULTURES REPRESENTED IN THE ART AND OPPORTUNITIES AND INCLUDING MULTIPLE GENERATIONS LIKE YOUTH AND SENIORS HAVING OPPORTUNITIES TO CONNECT. THEY ALSO BELIEVE THAT FESTIVALS, MUSIC AND FOOD ARE MY WIDELY WELCOMING SHARED EXPERIENCES. AND THEY BELIEVE THAT MORE CAN BE DONE TO COMMUNICATE ALL OF THE GREAT WORK THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENING. SO THEY CAN KNOW WHAT THEY CAN PARTICIPATE IN. AND SO THIS PLAN RESPONDS DIRECTLY TO THOSE WISHES. AND WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR THAT PEOPLE WANT A MORE CONNECTED DIVERSE WELCOMING VIBRANT BLOOMINGTON. SO WE UPDATED THE MISSION OF CREATIVE PLACEMAKING CENTERING ON FOUR KEY PRINCIPLES CELEBRATING AND REFLECTING DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES SUPPORTING LOCAL ARTS AND CULTURE, PROMOTING EXCEPTIONAL PUBLIC PLACES AND CREATING A VIBRANT, INCLUSIVE COMMUNITY. AND BUILDING FROM THIS NEW MISSION OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH CITY STAFF AND OUR DEDICATED ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND LISTENING TO COMMUNITY VOICE WE BUILT THIS PLAN ON FIVE KEY GOALS. THE FIRST EMPOWERING ARTISTS AND CULTURE BEARS SUPPORTING ARTISTS AS CONTRIBUTORS TO BLOOMINGTON'S CREATIVE AND ECONOMIC FUTURE WITH A REAL FOCUS ON LOCAL ARTISTS AND CULTURE BEARERS HERE IN BLOOMINGTON. SECOND ENSURING EQUITY AND INCLUSION. AND THIS IS ENSURING THAT PUBLIC SPACES AND CULTURAL ACTIVITIES REFLECT THE CITY'S DIVERSITY. THREE. FOSTERING CONNECTIONS SO THAT ARTS AND CULTURE CAN BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER IN A JOYFUL AND MEANINGFUL WAYS. >> FOR STRENGTHENING BELONGING BY HELPING RESIDENTS AND VISITORS FEEL AT HOME AND FEEL PROUD OF THEIR COMMUNITY AND LIKE THEY BELONG. AND FIFTH, EXPANDING CREATIVE PLACEMAKING CITYWIDE BY ENSURING THAT EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD AND EVERY RESIDENT BENEFITS FROM THE WORK BY GROWING RESOURCES, EXPERTISE AND PARTNERSHIPS. SO YOU'LL SEE THROUGHOUT THE PLAN THAT THERE ARE DETAILED STRATEGIES RECOMMENDED ACTIVITIES AND MEASUREMENTS TO GUIDE THE CREATIVE PLACEMAKING STAFF AND THE COMMISSION. AND WE PROVIDE TOOLS AND TEMPLATES SAMPLE POLICY CHANGES AND BUDGET RECOMMENDATIONS ALONG WITH CASE STUDIES FROM OTHER CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT CAN MOVE THINGS FORWARD WHILE ALSO STAYING REALLY FLEXIBLE AND ADAPTABLE AS THINGS MOVE ALONG . WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT PLACE THE PLACE IN CREATIVE PLACEMAKING MATTERS. SO AS THE WORK MOVES FROM THE SOUTH LOOP CITYWIDE IT'S CRITICAL THAT EVERY PART OF BLOOMINGTON BENEFITS. SO THE PLAN PRIORITIZES HIGH IMPACT PUBLIC SPACES AND WHERE CREATIVE PLACEMAKING CAN ENHANCE WORK IN ALIGNMENT WITH THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY GOING ON IN CITY COMMUNITY EFFORTS. SO TO HELP GUIDE THIS DECISION MAKING WE DID SOME MAPPING. AND WE FOCUSED ON ALIGNMENT WITH BLOOMINGTON TENURE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN CITY FACILITIES AND PUBLIC PROJECTS WHERE YOU CAN INTEGRATE ARTS AND CULTURE INTO THOSE PLANS. ALSO FOCUSING ON EXISTING ARTS AND CULTURAL ASSETS THAT YOU CAN AMPLIFY IMPROVING ACCESSIBILITY AND EXPANDING THEIR REACH AND USING MET COUNCIL AND CDC DATA. WE IDENTIFIED AREAS MOST IN NEED OF CREATIVE PLACEMAKING TO ENSURE RESOURCES ARE EQUITABLY DISTRIBUTED AND IMPROVE WELL-BEING AND RESILIENCE WHERE IT'S NEEDED MOST USING ALL OF THAT EXISTING DATA. THIS FRAMEWORK LEVERAGES PLANNED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, PRIORITY COMMERCIAL NODES, CULTURAL ASSETS AND PUBLIC HEALTH FOCUS AREAS. AND ADDITIONALLY WE PROVIDE EXAMPLES FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES TO CONSIDER CREATIVE TRAILS, CULTURAL CORRIDORS AND LINEAR PARKS WHICH SERVE AS HUBS FOR ART AND DESIGN INNOVATION AND COMMUNITY ACTIVITIES THAT CAN MAKE A MORE VIBRANT AND CONNECTED CITY. AND FINALLY, TO MAKE THIS VISION A REALITY WE NEED TO ENSURE LONG TERM SUSTAINABILITY. SO THIS PLAN ISN'T JUST ABOUT LAUNCHING NEW PROJECTS BUT IT'S ABOUT BUILDING THE CITY'S CAPACITY TO SUPPORT CREATIVE PLACEMAKING FOR MANY YEARS TO COME. AND SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE PLAN INCLUDE NEW FUNDING SOURCES LIKE EXPLORING A PERCENT FOR ART ORDINANCE, EXPLORING NEW LOCAL AND NATIONAL GRANTS AND OTHER REVENUE STREAMS, UPDATING ZONING CODES AND DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT ENSURE CREATIVE PLACEMAKING IS WOVEN INTO CITY PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS AND THAT CAN ALSO INCENTIVIZE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENTS INVESTMENT IN PUBLIC ART. AND EXPANDING THE STAFF CAPACITY AS THE PROGRAM GROWS FROM THE SOUTH LOOP TO THE ENTIRE CITY. YOU COULD EXPAND THE TEAM ADDING ROLES LIKE A PUBLIC ART SPECIALIST OR A COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER THAT HELP MANAGE THE GROWING SCOPE OF THE PROGRAM AND ALSO HELP GET THE WORD OUT ABOUT ALL THE GREAT WORK THAT'S GOING ON ACROSS THE CITY. SO ALL IN ALL, NO MATTER WHAT MATTERS TO YOU, IF IT'S ECONOMIC GROWTH OR PUBLIC SAFETY OR NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION OR HAVING A MORE CONNECTED CITY, WE REALLY FEEL LIKE THIS PLAN DELIVERS. AND AS YOU KNOW, CREATIVE PLACEMAKING ISN'T JUST ABOUT BEAUTIFUL SPACES. IT'S A STRATEGIC INVESTMENT FOR THE CITY'S FUTURE. IT BUILDS ON BELONGING. IT STRENGTHENS YOUR ECONOMY. IT ENHANCES PUBLIC SAFETY AND IT REVITALIZES NEIGHBORHOODS. SO WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? THIS PLAN THE CREATIVE PLACEMAKING COMMISSION ALREADY UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED THE PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD. WE ASK FOR YOUR CONTINUED LEADERSHIP TO BRING THIS VISION TO LIFE. AND FOR THOSE LISTENING IN AS WELL, WHETHER YOU'RE AN ARTIST OR A RESIDENT OR BUSINESS OWNER, COMMUNITY LEADER, LEADER OR SOMEONE WHO JUST LOVES BLOOMINGTON, YOUR VOICE AND IDEAS AND CREATIVITY MATTER. AND WE HOPE THAT YOUR PART TO SHAPE THIS WORK. FINALLY, I JUST WANT TO EXTEND THANKS AND GRATITUDE TO THE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WHO HELPED MAKE THIS PLAN POSSIBLE. THIS WAS A COLLECTIVE EFFORT OF MANY INDIVIDUALS AND ORGANIZATIONS WHO GENEROUSLY OFFERED THEIR EXPERTISE AND CREATIVITY AND INSIGHTS AND TIME. SO I WANT TO HONOR ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT HELPED MAKE THIS POSSIBLE. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LISTENING MORE AND SUPPORTING THIS PLAN. AND I'M HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS. WELL, THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THE OVERVIEW. APPRECIATE THE THE COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT THE CITY BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A NEW VENTURE FOR US TO GO CITYWIDE AND SO I APPRECIATE THE USE OF THE EXISTING RESOURCES AND THE TEN YEAR CAPITAL PLAN AND SOME OF OUR EXISTING RESOURCES AND I ESPECIALLY LIKE THE NOTION OF FESTIVALS, MUSIC AND FOOD BECAUSE I ALWAYS SEEMS TO WORK DOESN'T. SO COUNCIL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS. COUNCILMEMBER CARTER THANK YOU MAYOR. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THIS PLAN IS VERY EXCITING AND I THINK YOU GUYS DID A WONDERFUL JOB. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL VISION AND I CAN KIND OF SEE IT COMING TO LIFE. RIGHT. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE AN AMAZING THING FOR BLOOMINGTON. I THINK PROBABLY MY BIGGEST QUESTION AND I THINK I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE ASK OF COUNCIL IS TONIGHT BUT IN THE PLAN THERE WERE SPECIFIC ACTIVITIES WITH SPECIFIC COSTS. SO BY I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE APPROVING ANYTHING TONIGHT MAYBE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE FUTURE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT SPECIFIC THINGS. BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING MORE CONVERSATIONS JUST AROUND HOW DO WE PRIORITIZE, HOW DO WE FIND FUNDING? BUT BEYOND THAT I REALLY LOVE THE IDEA OF INTEGRATING INTO THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING AND I THINK THAT THAT'S COMING UP IN THE 2025 WORK PLAN. AND I'M VERY, VERY EXCITED ABOUT THOSE THINGS. SO IN GENERAL I LOVE THE PLAN AND I THINK WHERE I HAVE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HESITANCY IS REALLY HAVING THAT DESIRE TO HAVE MORE CONVERSATIONS AROUND THE SPECIFIC ACTIVITIES AND THE COSTS ASSOCIATED AND AND I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS WE'VE GOT A REALLY BIG BUDGET DISCUSSION COMING THIS YEAR AND SO THAT'S KIND OF FRONT OF MIND I KNOW NOT JUST FOR ME BUT FOR PROBABLY EVERYBODY UP HERE. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER CARTER, IF I COULD JUST RESPOND TO JUST THE THE REQUEST OF WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS AN APPROVAL OF THE PLAN AS A FRAMEWORK AND AS A GUIDE. SO THE LIST OF ACTIVITIES THAT ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE PLAN ARE MERELY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE WOULD THEN WORK WITH THE COMMISSIONERS AND WITH YOU ALL TO PRIORITIZE ON A YEAR TO YEAR BASIS. SO WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR APPROVAL OF ALL OF THOSE ACTIVITIES. THOSE WERE ACTIVITIES THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDED AS AN OUTCOME OF THE GOALS THAT ARE INCORPORATED WITHIN THE PLAN. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS ON WHAT ACTIVITIES TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE DEPENDING ON PARTNERS OPPORTUNITIES MAYBE THERE'S JUST AN OPPORTUNITY THAT COMES UP THAT FEELS LIKE A REALLY GOOD ORGANIC CONNECTION WITH SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT WE HAVE LISTED. SO IT'S REALLY LIKE A MENU OF OPTIONS THAT WE CAN PURSUE . SO CERTAINLY I THINK THE MAIN KIND OF GOAL OF THIS PLAN IS TO LOOK AT IT AS A FRAMEWORK AND A ROADMAP AND DO THE GOALS ALIGNED WITH KIND OF YOUR EXPECTATIONS AND VISIONS FOR CREATIVE PLACEMAKING. THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT AND I JUST WANTED TO PUT IT OUT THERE FOR THE COMMUNITY WHO MIGHT BE WATCHING AND LOOKING THROUGH THE PACKET AND SEEING THE COSTS AND SO JUST SO THEY KNOW WE'RE NOT ALL OF A SUDDEN APPROVING A $500,000 ASK WHERE THIS IS GOING TO BE OUR VISION DOCUMENT WHERE WE CAN HAVE MORE CONVERSATIONS AROUND PRIORITIES AND NEXT STEPS. SO THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. COUNCILMEMBER THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. I THINK THAT'S THAT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT TO MAKE AND I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT FORWARD. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO, THEN COUNCILMEMBER COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS AND COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS I'LL BE QUICKER. I BASICALLY HAD THE SAME COMMENTS THAT COUNCILMEMBER CARTER HAD. I JUST I MEAN I HAVE SINCE MOST PEOPLE KNOW I'VE BEEN GONE FOR A WHILE I HAVE HAD TIME IN MY HANDS TO GO AROUND THE CITY AND VISIT PLACES SO I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN. SO THE MEANING OF THE MURALS OUT THERE ON THAT SITE WHICH IS PRETTY INTERESTING. I DO LIKE THE IDEA IT IN AND I BACK IT UP. HOWEVER WHEN IT COMES TO THE FINANCES IT'S THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES IT KIND OF A VERY HARD PILL TO SWALLOW AT THE MOMENT ESPECIALLY SPECIFICALLY HAVE I BEEN ANSWERING EMAILS THIS TIME BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT OF TIME ON MY HANDS AT HOME AND YOU KNOW PEOPLE ARE VERY CONSCIENTIOUS CONSCIENTIOUS ABOUT THEIR THEIR MONEY. BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I THINK I HAVE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL ON THE PRIVATE ENTERPRISE ASKING BUSINESSES FOR MONEY FOR THINGS THAT I PLAN OF WORK AND I, I WOULD EVEN VOLUNTEER IF I HAD THE TIME TO TRY TO CONVINCE COMPANIES TO DONATE MONEY FOR IT BECAUSE I THINK SOME AREAS IN THE CITY ESPECIALLY ON THE EAST SIDE NEED SOME SOMETHING ATTRACTIVE ,YOU KNOW, TO TO MAKE IT LOOK BETTER. AND I DO AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT I DIDN'T PAY ATTENTION TO ANY OF THAT STUFF TO ME WAS ARE WE WASTING MONEY? BUT AS I LEARNED WHY THE PAINTING IS WHAT IT IS AND WHAT IT REPRESENTS, IT'S KIND OF GOTTEN TO YOU KNOW, TO A POINT THAT YEAH, THAT'S INTERESTING. I DIDN'T SEE IT THAT WAY. PRINCESS YOU KNOW TODAY I LEARNED THAT A PAINTING ON THE WAY THE SUPERMARKET WAS THAT IS THE PAST AND THE FUTURE IS REPRESENTED IN THAT PAINTING WITH THE VERY PEOPLE HELPING PULL IT ACROSS THE WATER AND THEN THE IN THE BACKGROUND WHICH I DIDN'T REALLY PAY ATTENTION BEFORE IS TO SEE A BRAND NEW BRIDGE THAT IS ON CEDAR, YOU KNOW, 77. SO THAT WAS PRETTY INTERESTING TO LEARN THE DETAILS ON THE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY HAD PARTICIPATED IN PUTTING IT TOGETHER. SO YOU KNOW, THAT IS WHERE I BECOME AN AMBASSADOR TO OTHER NONBELIEVERS SUCH AS MYSELF. I'LL BE HONEST. YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS OPPOSED THAT AS NOT AS A WASTE BUT SOMETHING THAT IS NOT AS IMPORTANT AS OTHER THINGS IN THE CITY. BUT YOU KNOW, I I'VE BEEN CHANGE I GUESS WHEN IT COMES TO THAT. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE REVENUE OR TO THE PLANS TO MAKE IT MORE AVAILABLE CITYWIDE, I THINK I COULD EVEN PARTICIPATE ASKING SOME OF THE COMPANIES LOCALLY IN THE CITY FOR DONATIONS AND SEE IF IT COMES TO THAT. BUT IT IS VERY INTERESTING TO SEE THE EFFECT THAT HE HAS ON PEOPLE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER AND THANKS FOR SHARING THIS. I APPRECIATE YOUR BEING OPEN ABOUT THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT. COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YES. WOULD THAT WE AS SITTING CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS COULD ASK PEOPLE FOR MONEY? WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT UNFORTUNATELY OR ELSE I WOULD JOIN YOU TOMORROW. ABSOLUTELY 100% WHICH IS GRATIS. ALEJANDRO I HAVE BEEN AROUND OTHER PEOPLE WHO WORK AT PARKS AND RECREATION IN MINNEAPOLIS AND ST PAUL AND ME AS SOON AS I TALK ABOUT YOU THEY ARE AS IF THE WORLD LIKE AS IF THE SEAS PARTED AND YOU WERE THE MOSES HANDING ALL OF US ON THIS JOURNEY. I JUST CAN'T SAY ENOUGH ABOUT YOUR LEADERSHIP HERE AND I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY FOR NOT JUST LIKE MAKING ME FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING AND AND THAT THE COMMISSION IS DOING BUT PEOPLE ALL OVER THIS REGION KNOW YOU AS THE PERSON TO GO TO FOR NOT JUST BLOOMINGTON'S AWESOMENESS BUT LIKE HOW THEY COULD DO IT FOR THEIR OWN PLACE. SO CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU TO HAVE THAT REPUTATION AND I HOPE YOU STAY HERE AND GET THIS PLAN DONE WITH US OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS. HONESTLY RELATED TO THE PLAN, I'M ACTUALLY WHAT I WAS MOST EXCITED ABOUT IS TO SEE THE WAY THAT YOU ALL CONSTRUCTED THE MEANS BY WHICH TO KIND OF ENHANCE AND ALLOW TO FLOURISH THE PLACES THAT YOU KNOW WHETHER IT'S FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE OR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PERSPECTIVE THAT WE'RE WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THEM ANY WAY THESE COMMERCIAL NODES OR THESE AREAS OF NATURAL CONGREGATION I'D VERY MUCH LIKE TO SEE US INCORPORATE A LOT OF THIS INTO PARKS ONE OF THE IDEAS WE TALKED ABOUT IT AT BRYANT PARK WHICH IS MY LOCAL PARK WAS THERE NEEDS TO BE A FENCE AROUND THE INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUND. WHY CAN'T THAT BE AN ART PROJECT? RIGHT? SO I THINK WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES LIKE THAT AND IF WE'RE BEING SMART ABOUT IT AND STRATEGICALLY PUTTING THOSE THINGS TOGETHER WE'LL MAKE A LOT OUT OF WHAT I THINK MIGHT BE LESS MONEY THAN WE THINK WHICH I THINK WOULD BE THE RIGHT ANSWER AND IF WE CAN USE THOSE FUNDS YOU KNOW, FUNDS THAT ARE IN THESE PROJECTS ALREADY TO DO SOME OF THIS PLAYMAKING YOU KNOW, CREATIVE PLACEMAKING MAYBE WE DON'T NEED TO GO SOURCE THOSE FUNDS ON OUR OWN AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT WHICH WOULD BE AMAZING. BUT OTHERWISE I THINK IT'S GREAT AND IT'S WONDERFUL TO SEE YOU AGAIN. FUN FACT MY COUSIN IS THE CURATOR OF PUBLIC ART IN THE CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO AND KNOWS THIS COMPANY VERY WELL. SO CAME HIGHLY RECOMMENDED FROM MY COUSIN THERE. SO ALSO REALLY GREAT TO SEE YOU AGAIN AND THANKS FOR ALL YOUR WORK. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANKS HIGHLY ENDORSED BY COUNCIL MEMBER GUILD SANDRA'S COUSIN HOW ABOUT THAT AS YOU CAN'T REMEMBER THE MOMENT THEN COUNCILMEMBER NELSON COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN WELL THANK YOU MAYOR. SO CERTAINLY YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT OUR MISSION STATEMENT THAT A NUMBER OF US COMMUNITY MEMBERS CAME UP WITH YOU KNOW, THIS IDEA OF CULTIVATING AN ENDURING A REMARKABLE COMMUNITY WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO BE AND WE LOOK AT HOW YOU HAVE IN THIS PLAN REALLY SET IT, YOU KNOW, FROM THE NATIVE PERSPECTIVE REMINDING US ALL THAT WE'RE ON NATIVE LAND. I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, IN THAT IN THAT SENSE, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN TO A NUMBER OF CONFERENCES WHERE THEY TALK ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THE ARTS AND AND HOW THAT IMPACTS THE YOU KNOW, THE ECONOMIC VITALITY OF THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY WHETHER IT BE IN PITTSBURGH WHERE THEY HAD AN EXPERIMENT WHERE THEY PUT A LITTLE DUCK OUT ON THE ON THE YOU KNOW, ON THE RIVER THERE AND THEY THEY MADE A BIG THING OF THAT OR AT ELLA'S WHERE YOU KNOW THE PUBLIC FINANCE THING WHERE THEY HAD A WHOLE YEAR WHERE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF CREATIVE PLACEMAKING AND SO I THINK WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION IN THE CITY HERE WITH THIS PARTICULAR THING WHEN IT COMES TO HOSPITALITY, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT HOSPITALITY IN THIS CREATIVE PLACEMAKING IS HAND IN GLOVE TOGETHER THAT THESE THINGS REALLY WORKED OUT QUITE WELL WITH EACH OTHER. BUT THE REALITY OF OUR SITUATION WE FIND OURSELVES IN IS WE REALLY HAVE TO MAKE THE CASE FOR ALL OF US WHO BELIEVE IN THE ARTS AND HOW IMPORTANT CREATE CREATIVE PLACEMAKING IS ACROSS A CITY. WE ARE IN A TIME IN OUR PERIOD OF TIME WHERE COUNCIL MEMBERS OF ALL TALKED ABOUT WHERE WE'VE GOT ECONOMIC CHALLENGE AND I THINK THAT THE PROBLEM WE'VE GOT TO KIND OF GET GET OVER IS FIGURING OUT HOW IN WHICH THAT WE POSITION THIS TO NOT ONLY BE OF ITS IMPORT BUT ALSO HOW DO WE MAKE MONEY OFF OF THIS AND HOW DO WE WE SHOWCASE THAT PART OF IT AND MAKING THE CASE THERE AND I THINK IT'S KIND OF WRITTEN IN THIS PLAN BUT I THINK WE'VE GOT TO GO A STEP FURTHER WITH THIS NOW CERTAINLY IF YOU LOOK AT THIS THIS BUILDING ITSELF IS AN EXAMPLE OF THAT REALLY AND I KNOW THAT WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST WHERE WE'VE WHERE WE'VE HAD SOME KIND OF ART MONEY THAT'S PUT ASIDE FOR THAT AND I'D LIKE TO REALLY FOR US TO LEAN INTO THIS BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS REALLY WHAT MAKES OUR COMMUNITY A REMARKABLE PLACE. WE'VE GOT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT BUT WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PAY FOR IT. SO YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S LOOKING AT THAT HOSPITALITY MONEY THAT COMES IN. MAYBE WE COULD LOOK AT THAT. I KNOW THERE'S SOME IDEAS THAT WERE WRITTEN UP HERE BUT I THINK THAT IF WE'RE PLANFUL ABOUT IT AND WE ARE INTENTIONAL ABOUT IT, I KNOW THAT OTHER PAST COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS AS WELL ABOUT MAKING THIS HAPPEN SO AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS HAPPEN AS WELL. SO CERTAINLY I SUPPORT THIS BUT I THINK WE CAN'T IGNORE BUDGET BUT I THINK THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO EXPAND WHAT WE HAVE COMING INTO OUR BUDGET. SO THAT WOULD BE I'D SAY THANKS MAYOR. THANK YOU. ALSO REMEMBER COUNCILMEMBER NELSON. YEAH. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I APPRECIATE COUNCILMEMBER REEVES IS COMMENTS ON COMING TO AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE IMPORTANCE OF OF THINGS I STRUGGLE WITH IT BUT THAT'S MY OWN PERSONAL ISSUE BECAUSE I'M PRETTY MUCH TONE DEAF AND I DON'T SEE A LOT OF COLORS. SOME ARTISTS SEE ALL SORTS OF COLORS AND I HAD ACTUALLY TWO PEOPLE ON MY STAFF CONVINCE ME THAT TWO OF THE SAME WHITE COLOR WERE DIFFERENT COLORS. I WAS LIKE IF YOU TELL ME IT IS THEY'RE DIFFERENT THEN BUT THEY APPARENTLY THEY WEREN'T I WAS RIGHT BUT SO I FROM AN INTELLECTUAL STANDPOINT UNDERSTAND THE THE IMPORTANCE OF CREATIVE PLACEMAKING OF THE ARTS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. IT'S CLEAR THAT OUR COMMUNITY HAS SUPPORTED IT FOR A LONG TIME AND HAS INVESTED SIGNIFICANTLY IN THE ARTS. BUT I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THIS PLAN. FIRST THE REVENUE AND I THINK PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS BUT I'D JUST LIKE TO GET INTO THAT MORE FINE DETAIL. WE LOOKED AT HOW ELSE WE WOULD PAY FOR THIS AND THERE WAS A LIST OF POTENTIAL GRANTS BUT I DIDN'T SEE A PLAN FOR HOW WE WERE GOING TO GET THOSE GRANTS AND WE HAVE A GRANT PERSON ON STAFF AS A GOING TO BE THAT PERSON IS GOING TO BE A NEW PERSON. YOU KNOW WHAT IS WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR THAT IN MY OPINION I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE INVESTING MORE MONEY UNTIL WE HAVE THAT MONEY. AND I THINK YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE SAME THING I SAID WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE CENTER FOR THE ARTS. YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE APPROVE ADDITIONAL FUNDING, GO FIND THE FUNDING AND I'M SEEING THAT WITH ALL RESPECT I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT. SO LET'S GO FIND THAT FUNDING AND NOT KEEP GOING BACK TO VARIOUS TAXES AND THINGS LIKE THAT AT THE CITY LEVEL BECAUSE I THINK THESE ARE GOOD THINGS . I THINK THERE IS FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR IT BUT I THINK IF YOU JUST COME TO US AND WE ALWAYS JUST GIVE THE MONEY THERE'S NO INCENTIVE TO GO FIND THAT OTHER MONEY. I HAVE SOME CONCERNS SPECIFICALLY THERE'S THE CREATION OF OR POTENTIAL CREATION OF AN OFFICE OF CREATIVE PLACEMENT IN I THINK WE HAVE A COMMISSION AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE AN OFFICE CURRENTLY I'D BE CONCERNED ABOUT CREATING AN OFFICE OF CREATIVE PLACEMAKING IF I MAY JUST RESPOND. SO IT'S IT'S IN TITLE OF TITLE FOR THE STAFF WORK THAT GOES INTO IT. SO WHEN WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT OURSELVES JUST LIKE THE OFFICE OF RACIAL EQUITY AND INCLUSION AND BELONGING, WE LOOKED AT THE HIERARCHY OF THE ORGANIZATION CHART WITHIN CITY DEPARTMENT DIVISION WHAT COMES AFTER THAT? SO IT'S JUST THE NAMING OF WHAT WE DO AS A STAFF ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE SPEAKING TO IT. YOU KNOW IN TERMS OF BLOOMINGTON CREATIVE PLACEMAKING WE WANTED TO PUT AN ENTITY NAME TO IT SO WE FOLLOWED THE PROCEDURE THAT OTHER OFFICES HAVE ESTABLISHED AND THAT'S WHY WE USE THE OFFICE BUT IT'S MERELY JUST A TITLE TO THE WORK THAT'S EXISTING RIGHT NOW OF KATHERINE AND I WORK AS A STAFF. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION AND THEN UNDER THAT THE THERE'S THE CREATION OF A NEW ARTS ORDINANCE AND UPDATED ZONING DESIGN GUIDELINES. I'M GOING TO BE CANDID I THINK SOME OF THAT WHERE WE REQUIRE DEVELOPERS TO PLACE ART AND OR PAY IN LIEU I'M NOT AWARE I DEFER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY BUT I'M UNAWARE OF ANY STATUTES FREE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT. AND I THINK OF THE HARSH THAT CASE WITH REGARDS TO OTHER THINGS I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE LEGALLY. THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER I JUST WANT TO POINT TO THE EXAMPLE THAT WAS PROVIDED BY ST LOUIS PARK. WE HAD A FUNDING ART POLICY RODTABLE OR SOME STAFF AND COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE PRESENT AND BASICALLY WE LOOKED AT THEM AS AN EXAMPLE TO ESTABLISH SOME PARAMETERS AROUND THAT AND IF TRUE SO YOU WANT TO JUST GIVE A LITTLE BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT THAT COULD INCLUDE AS AN EXAMPLE? SURE. I THINK THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT FROM CITY OF ST LOUIS PARK WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS THEY BASICALLY UPDATED THEIR DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT TO ALLOW FOR PUBLIC ART AS ONE OF THE OPTIONS IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES IN ADDITION INSTEAD OF LANDSCAPING OR OTHER KIND OF GUIDELINES. SO BY AND BY INCLUDING THAT THAT WAS ONE OF THE WAYS THAT THEY'VE BASICALLY FUNDED ALL OF THE PUBLIC ART IN ST LOUIS PARK WAS WITH THAT CHANGE IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT IT DOES NOT SATISFY MY CONCERN. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S LEGAL JUST BECAUSE ANOTHER CITY DOES IT. THERE'S MANY CITIES WITHIN THE METRO AREA THAT BREAK THE LAW WOODBURY BEING ONE OF THEM THAT DID IT SO I WOULD I WOULD CHALLENGE THAT AND THEN THE FIFTH ONE IS EXPAND STAFF IN PROPORTION TO ACTIVITY. I WOULD LIKE TO SUBTLY SHIFT THAT TO EXPAND STAFF IN PROPORTION TO OUTSIDE FUNDING. LET'S FIND THE FUNDING I BELIEVE AND WHAT YOU DO IS FIND THE FUNDING TO FUND THOSE POSITIONS SO WE CAN DO THIS. SO THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. I APOLOGIZE IF I'M A LITTLE BIT HARSH ABOUT THEM BUT I JUST I WANT THIS PLAN TO WORK . I BELIEVE IN WHAT YOU DO. I JUST BELIEVE WE NEED TO FIND OUTSIDE MONEY FOR IT. AND LIKE I SAID, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN PUT THIS ENTIRELY ON THE BACK OF NEW DEVELOPERS TO PAY FOR AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE A LEGAL AUTHORITY . THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER I THINK WHAT WE'VE OFFERED IS JUST A SUITE OF THINGS TO FURTHER EXPLORE AND SO WE COULD REALLY REFINE IT AND WE DID WORK WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE COULD INCORPORATE SOMETHING LIKE THAT BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW THIS IS ANOTHER STEP THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE TO FURTHER INVESTIGATE THE LEGALITY AND OTHER CONCERNS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE CERTAINLY WE AGREE THAT WE WANT TO EXPAND DIFFERENT REVENUE SOURCES TO BE COMING IN. WE LOVE TO THINK ABOUT GRANTS AS WELL AND I THINK THE CREATION OF THIS PLAN REALLY ENABLES US TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT JUST OFFERS A FRAMEWORK OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, WHY WE'RE DOING IT SO THAT WHEN WE APPLY TO GRANTS WE HAVE THIS AS A BACKGROUND AND WE HAVE IT TO SHOW THAT WE HAVE CITYWIDE SUPPORT. AND I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT, YOU KNOW IN TERMS OF PRIVATE INVESTMENT, THAT FAIRY MURAL THAT COUNCILMEMBER REEVES HAD MENTIONED WAS ACTUALLY PRIVATELY COMMISSIONED BY MCGUFF. SO WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE IS THAT BY DEMONSTRATING OUR CREATIVE PLACEMAKING EFFORTS THAT OTHER BUSINESSES THROUGH THEIR OWN MEANS CAN COMMISSION ARTWORK AND SHOW THE IMPORTANCE OF HELPING IT TO ESTABLISH THEIR BRAND, HELPING IT TO ESTABLISH KIND OF THEIR VISION FOR THE COMMUNITY INCORPORATING A VISION SITE SPECIFIC STORY TO THE PROJECTS THAT THEY COMMISSION AS WELL. SO WE CERTAINLY AGREE THAT WE WANT TO EXPLORE ALL OF THOSE OPTIONS TO INCREASE IT. SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING TONIGHT IS NOT TO INCREASE FUNDING. WE ARE CERTAINLY ABLE TO PROCEED WITH WORK TO START OFF WITH BUT IF YOU YOU KNOW IF WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT ALL THE SUITE OF OPTIONS WE JUST WANTED TO KIND OF PROVIDE WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF IF WE DID ALL OF THE ACTIVITIES, WHAT WOULD THAT CONSIST OF IF THANK YOU FOR THAT AND I DO KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN MANY PEOPLE THAT YOU'VE GOTTEN TO DO PERSONAL INVESTMENTS INTO PUBLIC ART AND I THINK ON A VOLUNTARY BASIS THEY'VE BEEN FANTASTIC. SO THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU'RE DOING. THANK COUNCILMEMBER THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? COUNCIL IF NOT WE HAVE TWO MOTIONS ASSOCIATED WITH ITEM 2.3 AND I'D BE LOOKING FOR ACTION ON THIS COUNCILMEMBER THE MAYOR COME I'D BE HAPPY TO MAKE THIS MOTION. I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT THE CONCERNS THAT WERE ADDRESSED AND BROUGHT UP ON THE DAIS HERE WOULD BE INCLUDED SO THAT THEY CAN BE FURTHER CONSIDERED. IS THERE A WAY TO DO THAT OR CAN I JUST MAKE THAT MAKE THAT STATEMENT AND IT CAN BE SO I KNOW THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS WERE RAISED BY DIFFERENT COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE. I YOU CERTAINLY COULD I MEAN I, I PERSONALLY BASED ON THE QUESTIONS THAT I HEARD FROM THE DIFFERENT COUNCIL MEMBERS, I WAS SATISFIED WITH THE NOTION OF THIS IS A PLAN, THIS IS A FRAMEWORK. THIS ISN'T A SPECIFIC PROJECT LIST WITH COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM. THIS WAS A FRAMEWORK AND ASSUMING GIVEN THE DISCUSSION HERE AND GIVEN ALL OF OUR BUDGET DISCUSSION COMING FORWARD, ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE BROUGHT FORWARD I'M ASSUMING WILL BE OPEN FOR DISCUSSION AND I'M ASSUMING THAT TO ME I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT FOR THOSE FOLKS WHO SUPPORT THE ARTS THEY REALLY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUPPORT THIS KNOWING THAT THIS WILL BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. COUNCILMEMBER CARTER, A QUESTION COMMENT YES, THANK YOU MAYOR. I THINK WHAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE CONFUSING IS THAT IN THE PLAN THERE ARE ACTIVITIES AND COSTS AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S KIND OF BEEN THAT'S WHAT I THINK CONFUSING AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT. YEAH. AND I JUST I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE'S YOU KNOW ASSUMING THAT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE AND I THINK YOU REALLY CLEARLY SAID THAT BEFORE EARLIER BUT WE MAY HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT BUT I'M READY TO SUPPORT THIS AS IS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE MY COLLEAGUES ARE OKAY WITH THAT THAT WE'RE NOT SUPPORTING ALL THOSE INDIVIDUAL PROGRAMS THAT ARE IN THERE. IF YOU COULD JUST REPEAT AGAIN OR FRAME IT UP AGAIN THE PLAN AS IT RELATES TO SPECIFICS AS IT RELATES TO THE FRAMEWORK HOW HOW THE HOW THE CREATIVE PLACEMAKING COMMISSION SEES THIS THIS PLAN AND IT HAS I DIRECTS THE WORK MOVING FORWARD. >> THANK YOU, MARY. YES. MUCH LIKE THE SOUTH LOOP CREATIVE PLACEMAKING PLAN WE USE THAT WE STILL USE IT TODAY AS A GUIDE AS A FRAMEWORK TO LOOK BACK ON. SO WHAT WE REALLY LOOK AT ARE THE GOALS WHAT ARE THE GOALS? HOW ARE WE ACHIEVING OR MEETING THOSE GOALS BY THE PROJECTS THAT WE SELECT. WHAT'S HELPFUL WITH THIS PLAN IS AGAIN IT IS A FRAMEWORK IN THE TERM IN THE SENSE OF SEEING THIS IS COLLECTIVELY WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS TOLD US THAT THEY VALUE BOTH IN TANDEM WITH OTHER PLANS AND DIRECTLY HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY AND THAT'S HOW THE GOALS CAME TOGETHER. SO REALLY THE GOALS AND THE ASSOCIATED RECOMMENDATIONS IN TERMS OF ACTIVITIES ARE THINGS THAT WE CAME UP WITH FROM HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY. SO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PLAN WAS AS MUCH PART OF THE PLAN AS THE PLAN ITSELF. AND SO REALLY WHAT YOU'LL SEE HERE IS A SUITE OF OPTIONS A MENU JUST TO GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT THINGS COULD COST, WHAT THEY COULD LOOK LIKE. SO AGAIN, THESE ACTIVITIES WE CERTAINLY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO EXPLORE EVERY SINGLE ACTIVITY WITHIN THIS PLAN. WE'LL REALLY HAVE TO BRING FORWARD TO THE COUNCIL EVERY YEAR WHAT OUR WORK PLAN LOOKS LIKE AS A RESULT OF THIS PLAN AND WE'LL BE DOING THAT WITH OUR COMMISSIONER. SO EVERY YEAR WILL COME TOGETHER. WE'LL THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE YEAR WE'LL LOOK AT THE PLAN TO ESTABLISH SOME OF THOSE METRICS AND WILL IDENTIFY WHAT PROJECTS THERE ARE AND THEN WE'LL COME TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL IN OUR WORK PLAN THAT ALIGNS WITH BOTH AND SO THAT WILL INCLUDE KIND OF WHAT WE'RE DOING THAT YEAR AND WHAT WE DID THE PREVIOUS YEAR AND THAT WILL ALL COME BACK TO THIS PLAN. SO BASED ON THAT I WILL ASK THE COUNCIL THE OTHER ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ARE FOLKS SATISFIED WITH THAT ANSWER? DO YOU NEED MORE CLARIFICATION DID OR IS IT NOT OR IS IT IF IT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE I UNDERSTAND THAT AS WELL BUT I'M GOOD. I MEAN EVERYBODY ALL RIGHT. WELL THEN I'LL I'LL MOVE TO MERRILL MOVE TO APPROVE THE BLOOMINGTON CITYWIDE CREATIVE PLACEMAKING PLAN MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER BOWMAN, SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO TO APPROVE THE BLOOMINGTON CITY WIDE CREATIVE PLACEMAKING PLAN COUNCIL. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS HEARING? NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN MARION MOVED TO APPROVE THE BLOOMINGTON WELL IT IS HER I DO HAVE ONE ONE PRESENTATION OH I'M SORRY SORRY THERE ARE GENERALLY OH EVERYTHING READY TO GO? YEAH. THANK YOU. MY APOLOGIES HERE. I WAS JUST THINKING HOW WE DO THE REVIEWS AND THE WORK PLANS ARE OKAY. >> MY BAD. THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS AGAIN. SO I'D LIKE TO ADDITIONALLY TONIGHT GO OVER A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF SOME OF OUR WORK IN 2024 AND OUR 2025 CREATIVE PLACEMAKING WORK PLAN. I WANT TO FIRST RECOGNIZE OUR CREATIVE PLACEMAKING COMMISSIONERS. WE HAVE ONE OUTGOING DOUGLAS BRUCE WHO WE THINK FOR HIS INVOLVEMENT OVER THE PAST YEAR AND ONE NEW COMMISSIONER MEGAN LUNDQUIST. WE ALSO HAVE OUR VICE CHAIR SCHUMACHER IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT AS WELL AS COMMISSIONER COTE WHO IS ALSO IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT IN SUPPORT OF THE PLAN. I'LL START WITH REVIEWING SOME PROJECTS AND EVENTS THAT TOOK PLACE IN THE SOUTH LOOP DISTRICT SPECIFICALLY AND THAT INCLUDED THE GRAND OPENING CELEBRATION FOR OUR NEW SOUTH LOOP COMMUNITY GARDEN. WE PARTNERED WITH PARKS AND RECREATION ON THAT. WE ALSO PARTNERED WITH PARKS AND RECREATION ON A SUNDAY FUNDAY MUSIC SERIES AT BLOOMINGTON CENTRAL STATION PARK WITH ONE EVENT TAKING PLACE IN JUNE, JULY AND AUGUST . WE ALSO COORDINATED A LATINO NATURE FEST IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE MINNESOTA VALLEY NATIONAL WILDLIFE REFUGE AT THEIR VISITOR CENTER IN JULY AND WE SUPPORTED COMMUNITY EVENTS SUCH AS CELEBRATION FIESTAS PATRIOTS ARE CELEBRATING HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH PRESENTED BY COMMUNITY MEMBER EVENT IDEAS IN SEPTEMBER AND THE ON THE ONE MUSIC FESTIVAL PRODUCED BY THE AVANT GARDE AND THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON'S PARK AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT IN AUGUST WE INSTALLED EIGHT ART BOX DESIGNS FOR UTILITY BOXES BY LOCAL ARTISTS AS WELL SOME CITYWIDE PROJECTS AND EVENTS IN 2024 INCLUDED THE DEVELOPMENT OF OUR CITYWIDE CREATIVE PLACEMAKING PLAN AND THAT INCLUDED RELATED ENGAGEMENT EFFORTS INCLUDING THOSE 20 ARTISTS LED POP UP ENGAGEMENT ACTIVITIES THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER. WE ALSO PARTNERED WITH PUBLIC HEALTH ON THE COVID 19 ART MEMORIAL ENGAGEMENT EFFORTS AND COMMISSIONED THE JUNETEENTH COMMUNITY ART MURAL BY ARTISTS TO COME BACK AGAIN AND SUPPORTED ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY EVENTS INCLUDING STORY FEST MINNESOTA WHICH TOOK PLACE HERE AT CIVIC PLAZA AND THE BLOOMINGTON STREET ARTS FESTIVAL WHICH WAS COORDINATED BY ARTIST KATIE ROSS. SOME UPCOMING PROJECTS IN 2025 SPECIFICALLY WITH IN THE SOUTH LOOP DISTRICT INCLUDE A MURAL BY TARA PIRONE AND SANDY SPILLER AT THE OLD CEDAR AVENUE BRIDGE TRAILHEAD SHELTER BUILDING ADDITIONAL ART BOX PROJECTS INCLUDING A NEW PILOT PROGRAM IN PARTNERSHIP WITH XCEL ENERGY TO PAINT THROUGH UTILITY BOXES AND THAT CALL FOR ART IS CURRENTLY OPEN RIGHT NOW FOR ARTISTS OR INTERESTED IN APPLYING. WE ALSO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT OF A NEW ROUND OF CREATIVE SPARKS PROGRAM AND A TEMPORARY ART INSTALLATION TO ACTIVATE THE SPACE IN FRONT OF THE SITE. ADDITIONALLY, WE'RE EXPLORING HOW TO FURTHER SUPPORT ARTISTS AND CREATIVE BUSINESSES SPECIFICALLY AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF A CREATIVE WAYFINDING PLAN WITH A FOCUS ON OLD CHALK UP ROAD AND HIGHLIGHTING ASSETS IN THE SOUTH LOOP SOME EVENTS IN 2025 WITHIN THE SOUTH LOOP INCLUDE LATINO NATURE FEST AGAIN IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE MINNESOTA VALLEY NATIONAL WILDLIFE REFUGE AT THEIR VISITOR CENTER THAT'S PLANNED FOR JULY 26TH A MUSIC SERIES IN PARTNERSHIP AGAIN WITH PARKS AND RECREATION AT BLOOMINGTON CENTRAL STATION PARK ON JULY 13TH AND AUGUST 3RD AND THE ON THE ONE MUSIC FESTIVAL AGAIN IN PARTNERSHIP WITH PARKS AND RECREATION AND THE AVANT GARDE AT BLOOMINGTON CENTRAL STATION PARK ON AUGUST 16TH. SOME CITYWIDE PROJECTS AND DEVELOPMENT FOR 2025 INCLUDE A GREAT EXPANDED PARTNERSHIP WITH PARKS AND RECREATION ON MULTIPLE PROJECTS. THEY'VE BEEN A REALLY VALUABLE PARTNER WITH OURS AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO EXPLORE AND EXPAND THAT ONE OF WHICH IS A MURAL AT THE BLOOMINGTON ICE GARDEN OR BIG WITHIN THE VESTIBULE AND THAT CALL FOR ART IS ALSO CURRENTLY OPEN A SCULPTURE AT POND DAKOTA MISSION PARK THAT REFLECTS DAKOTA HISTORY AND CULTURE A YOUTH WORKSHOP AT VALLEY VIEW SKATE PARK AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF AN ART PLAN FOR THE COMMUNITY HEALTH AND WELLNESS CENTER. SOME PRIORITIZED PARK PROJECTS INCLUDE A SCULPTURE AT BRYANT PARK THAT REFLECTS THE THEME OF ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION AND WATER CONSERVATION AND AN INTERACTIVE CREATIVE COMPONENT COMPONENT AT REPTILE PARK THAT REFLECTS A CYCLING THEME. PROJECTS WOULD ALSO BE IDENTIFIED THROUGHOUT THE NINE MILE CREEK CORRIDOR. SO THE OFFICE OF CREATIVE PLACEMAKING AND CREATIVE PLACEMAKING COMMISSION THANK YOU FOR HELPING MAKE BLOOMINGTON A VIBRANT PLACE WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO BE AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AROUND THE WORK PLAN . THANK YOU. THANK YOU AND I APOLOGIZE FOR JUMPING THE GUN JUST A LITTLE BIT FOR COUNCIL QUESTIONS. >> COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO MISRI I THINK WE ALL KNOW YOU'RE A BIG FAN OF THE ARTS. IT WOULD NOT SURPRISE ANYBODY IF YOU JUMPED THE GUN IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA. YES, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. SO I GUESS PER THE THEME OF SOME OF MY COUNCIL MEMBERS ,I'M GUESSING THAT THESE ARE ALL OF THE PROJECTS THAT YOU CITED IN THE 2025 WORK PLAN ARE FUNDED AT THIS POINT, IS THAT CORRECT? THEY ARE CORRECT, YES. GREAT. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK. I LOVE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND IF YOU CAN LOOK INTO THAT FENCE, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER. WE WILL THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER NELSON THANKS MAYOR. IN TERMS OF THE WORK PLAN, LET'S GET MORE TO WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT BEFORE. IS THERE ANYTHING SPECIFIC TO WORKING ON ADDITIONAL REVENUE SOURCES OR ADDITIONAL GRANT FUNDING? I DID NOT SEE THAT IN THE WORK PLAN AND MAYBE I MISSED IT SO IF YOU COULD POINT ME TO THAT . YES. I MEAN CURRENTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE PUT TOGETHER A LIST OF GRANT OPPORTUNITIES AND SOURCES AND FUNDERS THROUGHOUT EITHER NATIONALLY AND LOCALLY. THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE ENCOUNTERING IS THE TIMING AND THE SPECIFIC GOALS OF GRANTS DON'T ALWAYS ORGANICALLY ALIGN WITH THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. THAT BEING SAID, THERE ARE A FEW THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. IT'S JUST THE TIMING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP SO THAT THE OUT KIND OF THE PROCESS DEVELOP THAT PROJECT, FALL IN LINE WITH THE GRANT GUIDELINES NATIONALLY THINGS ARE SHIFTING QUITE A BIT IN THE FUNDING WORLD AND SO I THINK WE'RE ALSO TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN APPLYING FOR GRANTS FROM ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS NATIONAL ENDOWMENT FOR THE ARTS. BUT WE CERTAINLY ARE INVESTING MORE INTO THAT. HAVING AN ADDITIONAL STAFF PERSON NOW HAS CERTAINLY HELPED A LOT TO CREATE MORE CAPACITY TO DO THAT AS YOU ARE PROBABLY VERY AWARE DEVELOPING A GRANT REALLY YOU KNOW ENCOURAGES YOU TO HAVE SOLIDIFIED PARTNERSHIPS AND PROJECTS SCOPES IN PLACE BEFORE YOU APPLY AND SO YOU KNOW AFTER THE NOW THAT WE'VE COMPLETED OUR CITY WIDE CREATIVE PLACEMAKING PLAN WHICH WAS QUITE A BULK OF OUR TIME AND ENERGY LAST YEAR, WE REALLY DO LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THAT. WE JUST DON'T HAVE IDENTIFIED SOURCES SPECIFICALLY OUTSIDE OF THE EXISTING FUNDING THAT'S ALREADY HAD BEEN ALLOCATED. SO DUE TO COUNCILMEMBER NELSON'S QUESTION AND I WOULD ASK THIS OF OUR CITY MANAGERS AS WELL IS THE IS THE GRANTS PROFESSIONAL THAT WE HAVE ON STAFF AVAILABLE TO HELP WITH THIS WORK THAT THE CREATIVE PLACEMAKING COMMISSION IS DOING? I'M SEEING NODDING HEADS. SO YES, I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT'S THE CASE. YES, MAYOR, THAT IS THE CASE. OKAY. SO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS COUNCIL COUNCILMEMBER THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'M MORE OF JUST A COMMENT. I THINK THE BIG THING THAT I'VE GOTTEN FROM BOTH THESE PRESENTATIONS IS THAT WE HAVE FLEXIBILITY AND PARTNERSHIPS AND I'VE SAID FOR A LONG TIME THE CITY DOES JUST TOO MUCH BY OURSELVES. SO THE FACT THAT YOU'RE WORKING THESE AND THAT WE'RE LINING THIS UP WITH OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE UTILIZING THE EFFICIENCIES AND THE EFFECTIVENESS MORE IMPORTANTLY OF THIS PLAN GIVES ME A LOT OF CONFIDENCE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO DO THIS WORK WITHOUT ADDING ADDITIONAL BURDEN TO OUR RESIDENTS. SO FLEXIBILITY CONTINUED PARTNERSHIP I LOVE THAT THEME SO ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT BUT I'M VERY HAPPY WITH HOW THIS IS GOING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OTHERS IF NOT NOW IT'S APPROPRIATE COUNCIL THAT I WOULD LOOK FOR MOTION ON THE CREATIVE PLACEMAKING 2025 WORK PLAN I CAN REMEMBER THE WOMAN I MOVED TO APPROVE THE BLOOMINGTON CREATIVE PLACEMAKING 2025 WORK PLAN MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO TO APPROVE THE BLOOMINGTON CREATIVE PLACEMAKING 2025 WORK PLAN. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON YET THANK YOU MAYOR. JUST VERY QUICKLY I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE IN SUPPORT OF THIS BUT I SUPPORT WHAT YOU'RE DOING JUST BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ANYTHING SPECIFIC TO WHAT I TALKED ABOUT WRITTEN IN THE PLAN AT THIS TIME I BELIEVE YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT. I BELIEVE YOU'RE GOING TO GO AFTER THAT. BUT IT'S JUST NOT IN THE WRITTEN PLAN RIGHT NOW. SO I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. BUT THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING. OKAY. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS, I JUST HAVE A QUICK COMMENT. THE ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO BE REMOVED IT IS IN THE IN THE FINANCING PART OF IT YOU MENTIONED THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING LEVIES TAX LEVIES WHICH COULD RESIDENTS AND THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT I ACTUALLY WROTE A BUNCH OF NOTES ON IT BUT EVERYBODY SPOKE ABOUT IT. SO I DO WANT TO KILL A DEAD HORSE ANYMORE, RIGHT? THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT BOTHERS ME. THE ONLY THE ONLY RESERVATION THAT I HAVE IS THAT IF WE REMOVED THAT LANGUAGE OUT OF IT THEN YOU KNOW I'M 100% BEHIND THIS. LIKE I SAID, IF YOU WERE LEGAL ,WHICH I DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT YOU CAN TELL ME TO FOR ME TO GO TO DOOR OR WHATEVER ANY COMPANY AND SAY HEY, YOU KNOW WE ARE IN NEED. IT IS WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO DONATE? I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT. I DON'T HAVE TIME IN MY HANDS. I NOW KNOW THERE'S SIX WEEKS WITH NOT MUCH TO DO AT HOME AND I'M GETTING REALLY BORED. SO ANYWAY, YOU KNOW THAT'S MY RESERVATION. I MOST OF THE COMMUNICATION I RECEIVED FROM THE RESIDENTS IS IN REGARDS TO TAXES RIGHT NOW AND IT'S OVERWHELMING. I CAN TELL YOU THAT HUNDREDS OF EMAILS AND SO MY RESERVATION COMES ONLY TO THAT SPECIFIC MENTION OF REVENUE IN THE FUTURE I WOULDN'T BE WILLING TO VOTE FOR SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW, WOULD PUT A BURDEN ON THE RESIDENTS IN THE NEAR FUTURE OR THAN THAT I YOU KNOW I THINK I MENTIONED BEFORE I HAVE BEEN CONVERTED TO SOMETHING THAT I DIDN'T REALLY BELIEVE IN. AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IF THAT COMES OFF OF THAT THING, I'M I WOULD VOTE YES ON IT, PUT IT IN THAT I DON'T THINK I'M YOU KNOW WHEN IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THANK YOU THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER AND I DO WANT TO POINT OUT COUNCILMEMBER THIS IS THAT THESE 2025 PROJECTS ARE PART OF THE 2025 BUDGET THAT WE APPROVED IN DECEMBER. SO THESE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE THAT THAT ARE PART OF THE 2025 WORK PLAN WERE APPROVED BY THIS COUNCIL BACK IN DECEMBER AS PART OF THE 2025 OVERALL CITY BUDGET. OH, IF I MAY ANSWER YOU OKAY WITH THAT? I HAVE A DIFFERENT COMMENT. OKAY. I MEAN I DO UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT I'M YOU KNOW, THIS IS PLANNING FOR 26 AND BEYOND, RIGHT? SO MY CONCERN IS THAT WE WILL BE ACTUALLY BYPASSING OUR LEVY OR INCREASING THE LEVY ON PROPERTY TAXES OR WHATEVER WE CAN COME OUT WITH IN THE FUTURE AND AT THIS POINT FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS OR SO ,YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO WAY THAT ANYBODY FEELS COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AT LEAST I DON'T I DON'T KNOW FOR THE REST OF THE COUNCIL BUT I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE PLACING MORE LEVIES ON PEOPLE ESPECIALLY BECAUSE WE DID MENTION THAT IT COULD BE A LOT MORE THIS COMING YEAR. SO THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER PRIORITIES THAT WE HAVE AND I KID YOU NOT I WROTE A LOT OF NOTES IN REGARDS TO THAT. YOU KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF OTHER EXPENSES THAT I HAVE UNLESS WE HAVE TO SPEND THE MONEY TO DO THIS, THINGS HAVE TO HAPPEN FOR THE CITY TO FUNCTION AND TO ADD POPULATION TO IT WHICH YOU KNOW IS A PLAN ALSO FOR THE FUTURE AND THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN WHEN I READ THAT THEY SAID POSSIBILITY TO CREATE REVENUE OF INCREASING THE TAX LEVY IS A BIG CONCERN IN MY PART TO HAVE FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT I REPRESENT ALSO THAT YOU KNOW IF THAT'S BEEN MOVED FROM THAT I MEAN THE POSSIBILITY I KNOW IT'S IN THE STUDY BUT I DON'T WANT TO VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT MIGHT PUT ME IN A CITY IN A IN A POSITION THAT YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE FUTURE IS A BIG CONCERN IF WE ARE PLANNING ON INCREASING TAXES JUST TO SUPPORT THIS AND AGAIN TO CLARIFY COUNCILMEMBER THIS THIS 2025 WORKPLAN IS FOR THIS YEAR FOR 2025 THE DISCUSSION FOR THE 2026 WORKPLAN OR THE 2026 BUDGET WILL BE PART OF OUR 2026 BUDGET DISCUSSION SO THE FUNDING FOR THESE THESE CITYWIDE PROJECTS IN 2025 AND HAVE BEEN HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THIS COUNCIL. COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. I I'M READING THE 2025 WORD PLAN AND I DON'T ACTUALLY SEE ANY REFERENCE TO LEVIES AT ALL AND I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE THE THE REFERENCE TO LEVIES WAS IN THE TEN YEAR PLAN THAT WE PASSED THAT WE ALL VOTED FOR JUST A MINUTE AGO. SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR CLEAR THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS HERE. SO AS IT RELATES TO THIS PARTICULAR PLAN, I WANT TO I WANT TO ASK COUNCILMEMBER NELSON THE SPECIFIC QUESTION I'M NOT OPPOSED TO I KNOW THAT THERE'S BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT. THERE'S AN ALLUSION TO BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT IN HERE CREATIVE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT IN HERE WHICH IS IMPLIED TO ME THAT THERE'S SOME FUTURE WORK DONE. I, I DON'T THINK THAT WE'VE EVER ASKED ANY OTHER COMMISSION TO TELL US HOW THEY'RE GOING TO GO GET MONEY FOR THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET THIS YEAR AND I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING THAT. I'M SAYING I'M SURPRISED THAT WE'RE DOING IT TO THIS GROUP WHEN WE HAVEN'T DONE INTO EVERY GROUP. AND SO I WANT TO JUST THROW OUT THE QUESTION WHAT MAKES THIS PARTICULAR GROUP SUSCEPTIBLE SUBJECT TO THAT EXTRA SCRUTINY OVER AND ABOVE THE OTHER WORK PLANS WE'VE ALREADY PASSED WHERE WE DID NOT SAY MAKE SURE EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT DOING FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR IS FUNDED BEFORE YOU BRING IT TO US AT THE END OF THE YEAR. SO IF YOU COULD HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'D BE GREAT. >> COUNCILMEMBER NELSON YES. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER FOR THE QUESTION. LET ME JUST POINT OUT THAT WHEN WE TALKED WITH PARK THEY ACTULY BROUGHT FORTH A PLAN FOR REVENUE ENHANCEMENTS, SPONSORSHIP AND REVENUE AGREEMENT THAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT IMPLEMENTING. SO THEY DID DO THAT WORK. I ALSO BROUGHT IT UP WITH REGARDS TO THE ARTS CENTER HERE AND VOTED AGAINST ADDING ADDITIONAL STAFF THERE UNTIL THEY BROUGHT FORTH A PLAN TO ACTUALLY PAY FOR THAT STAFF AND JUST FOR ANYONE ELSE WHO MIGHT COME UP IN THE FUTURE YOU COULD PROBABLY ANTICIPATE THE QUESTIONS I MIGHT ASK. JUST A PREVIEW OF THAT. SO I BELIEVE THAT I'VE BEEN CONSISTENT FOR THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS ON THAT AND SOME HAVE BROUGHT THAT INFORMATION FORWARD AND I'VE REQUESTED THAT OF OTHERS. AGAIN, I SUPPORT THESE THINGS BUT I DO THINK THERE'S OTHER MONEY. I DO THINK CANDIDLY THE ARTS IS GOING TO BE CHALLENGED AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE BECAUSE OF WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. AND I DO THINK THAT ARTS IS HISTORICALLY FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS THINGS THAT ARE SUPPORTED BY GOVERNMENT YOU KNOW THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT THAT IF YOU GO TO THEATERS, IF YOU GO TO ART THEATER, IF YOU GO TO PARKS WITH ART IN THAT THAT IS SUPPORTED BY GOVERNMENT I GET IT ALL THAT I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND LIKE OTHER AREAS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET THAT. SO I THINK I HOPE I HAVE BEEN CONSISTENT ABOUT THAT FOR SEVERAL MONTHS IN TERMS OF TALKING TO PEOPLE AND IF I MISS SOMEBODY CONGRATULATIONS TO THEM. MR. MAYOR, IF I MAY. I THINK NOT TO DISPARAGE THE PARK COMMISSION BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THE PARK COMMISSION IS THE REASON THAT WE HEARD THAT FROM THE PARKS COMMISSION. I THINK WE HEARD THAT BECAUSE THE PARKS DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN DOING THAT FOR TWO YEARS. SO I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THEM THAT CREDIT BUT I DO AGREE WITH YOU THAT WE DID HEAR ABOUT THAT IN THAT COMMISSION REPORT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SUPPORT THE PARKS DEPARTMENT IN THAT REGARD. SO YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ON THAT FRONT AND I UNDERSTAND THE POINT YOU'RE MAKING NOT NOT TRYING TO CHANGE YOUR MIND SO MUCH AS TO SUGGEST THAT IF THAT IS THE IF THAT IS THE TEST WE WANT TO PUT IN FRONT OF THESE FOLKS THAT I WOULD LIKE US TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S REALLY CLEAR AS A COUNCIL DIRECTION BEFORE THEY COME WITH THEIR FINAL WORK PLAN SO THAT THEY GET THAT GUIDANCE UPFRONT AND THEN CAN RESPOND TO THAT SO THAT WE'RE NOT SITTING HERE APPROVING OR NOT APPROVING SOMETHING BASED ON SOMETHING WE DIDN'T TELL THEM WE WANTED. SO IF WE CAN DO THAT AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE AT LEAST 1 OR 2 MORE COMING LIKE WE DIDN'T HAVE HUMAN RIGHTS, WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT LIKE THERE'S A COUPLE MORE BUT BUT LET'S LET'S JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE DO THAT THEN SO THAT IF THIS COUNCIL WANTS THAT AS PART OF THEIR PLAN I COMPLETELY RESPECT THAT. I DON'T DISAGREE THAT WE'RE IN THAT POSITION AND WE SHOULD PROBABLY BE MORE SCRUTINIZING AROUND THAT FRONT. BUT LET'S BE SURE THAT WE'RE PROACTIVE IN TELLING THEM AND GIVING THEM THAT DIRECTION. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN, ARE WE READY TO MOVE THIS? AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY HERE. I DID HAVE ONE I JUST HAVE ONE CLARIFYING THING AND I DO THINK WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE TABLE ALREADY ACTUALLY. OKAY. SO I JUST WANT TO JUST MENTION ONE THING SO WE HELP MOVE THIS ALONG I THINK IS FOR WE CONSISTENT WITH THE TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO YOU KNOW, WHO MAY NOT WANT TO SUPPORT THIS PARTICULAR WORK PLAN BASED ON OUR CONVERSATION AND OUR DISCUSSION YOU KNOW AROUND THE CREATIVE PLACE ME NOW I DID DISAGREE WITH SOME OF THAT STUFF BUT I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS TONIGHT BECAUSE I DO THINK THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT ASPECT TO THIS. WE CAN'T WAIT TO THE LAST MINUTE. I KNOW AT THE END OF THIS MEETING WE'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION AROUND POLICY IN IN AND ISSUES SO THAT MIGHT BE A MORE APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR US TO MAYBE HAVE THAT THAT CONVERSATION. BUT AS WE LOOK AT THIS WORK PLAN, THIS 2025 WORK PLAN I THINK YOU KNOW, THESE FOLKS HAVE PUT IT TOGETHER AND I CAN SUPPORT WHAT THEY'VE DONE HERE TODAY. I THINK THIS IS GOING TO MOVE THIS FORWARD AND SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO SUPPORT THIS. BUT YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY I CAN UNDERSTAND IF YOU YOU'VE COME TO A DIFFERENT CONCLUSION THAN WHAT I HAVE. ALL RIGHT. WE'VE GOT A MOTION IN A SECOND ON THE TABLE. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON, YOU HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT BEFORE WE WRAP THIS UP EXTREMELY QUICKLY. COULD WE JUST ADD A STATEMENT IN THERE THAT THEY'LL LOOK AT ALTERNATIVE FUNDING THROUGH GRANTS AND OTHER REVENUE SOURCES AND WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO THAT? I THINK THIS IS PART OF IT IS PART OF THE WORK THAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING AS A STAFF LOOKING INTO WHAT GRANT OPPORTUNITIES THERE ARE. SO CAN WE JUST ADD THAT TO THIS PLAN AND THE MOTION THAT'S ON? OKAY. CAN I MOVE TO AMEND THE MOTION TO INCLUDE ENHANCED REVENUE AND GRANT FUNDING EXPLORE THAT? YEAH. SO WE'LL JUST ACCEPT IT JUST FOR A SECOND AND I APPRECIATE THAT AND I'M GOING TO ASK STAFF WOULD THAT YOU SAID YES BUT WOULD IT BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE WRITTEN INTO THE PLAN OFFICIALLY THAT LOOKING FOR ADVANCED OR ADDITIONAL ALTERNATIVE REVENUE SOURCES WOULD BE PART OF YOUR WORK PLAN FOR FOR 2025? >> CERTAINLY MAYOR COUNCILMEMBERS THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY KIND OF INTEGRATED IN OUR STAFF SIDE OF WORK PLAN THING. >> SO WE COULD CERTAINLY JUST TO FORMALIZE IT VERY QUICKLY. ALL RIGHT. A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, MR. MAYOR FOR ME MEMBER DEL CENTRO BECAUSE THIS IS THE WORK PLAN OF THE COMMISSION AND THAT'S A STAFF ACTIVITY, IS IT APPROPRIATE TO DO THAT IS THE FIRST QUESTION THAT THE CLARIFICATION THAT I HAVE BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE ASKING THE COMMISSIONERS TO GO OUT AND DO THAT WORK. WE'RE ASKING STAFF TO DO THAT WORK. AND SO IS IT A COMMISSION REPORT IF IT'S A COMMISSION WORK PLAN, DOES THE COMMISSION HAVE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT OR IS THAT THE STAFF'S RESPONSIBILITY? >> I THINK IS THE STAFF LIAISON TO THE COMMISSION. I THINK IT KIND OF WORKS PART AND PARCEL. >> OKAY. I'M FINE WITH THAT IF EVERYBODY ON THE COMMISSION IS ALSO FINE WITH THAT BUT I DON'T WANT TO ALL OF A SUDDEN EXPAND THEIR SCOPE OF RESPONSIBILITY TO INCLUDE CO GET FUNDING WHEN WE HAVE STAFF DOING FUNDING. YEAH OKAY GREAT. IF YOU'RE IF EVERYBODY IS FINE WITH THAT I'M FINE WITH THAT BUT I THINK THE LANGUAGE SHOULD REFLECT THAT IT'S A STAFF FUNCTION NOT A COMMISSIONERS FUNCTION. ALL RIGHT. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. COUNCILMEMBER THANK YOU. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT COUNCILMEMBER NELSON THAT SO WE HAVE A AN AMENDED MOTION AND WE WE WE HAVE THE SECOND TO THAT AMENDED MOTION AS WELL. I WILL SECOND THE AMENDED MOTION TO ACCEPT THE 2025 CREATIVE PLACEMAKING WORK PLAN AND TO ADD INTO THAT WORK PLAN STATED VERY SPECIFICALLY THE NOTION OF SEEKING ALTERNATIVE FUNDING OR GRANT OPPORTUNITIES OR HOWEVER THAT THAT'S THAT'S THE GIST OF IT BUT THEN HOW WE HOW IT'S SPECIFICALLY WORDED BECAUSE EVERYBODY CLEAR ON THAT THEN EVERYBODY CLEAR VERY GOOD SO WE HAVE A CONFUSED MEMBER REVISE I'M CONFUSED NO I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS IS VERY CLEAR THAT YOU HAD ALREADY SUGGESTED HAVING LOOKING FOR FINANCING OTHER AREAS. MY ONLY CONCERN WAS THAT HE'S ALSO LISTED AS TAX LEVY IS COUNCIL MEMBER. WE DISCUSSED THE POTENTIAL AS PART OF THE SUITE OF POSSIBILITIES IN THE CITY WIDE STREET NOT IN THE CITYWIDE. THOSE ARE THE FIRST THE FIRST ONE THAT WE VOTED ON WE VOTED 15 MINUTES AGO THIS FOR THEIR WORK PLAN. THERE IS NO MENTION OF TAX LEVY. WHAT THEY ARE SIMPLY DOING IS SPENDING THE BUDGET THAT WE APPROVED IN DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR. >> OKAY. WHAT I READ IS THAT IT SAYS THAT THE THE POTENTIAL WAYS OF GETTING REVENUE AND THEY LISTED GRANTS AND ALL THAT AND THAT'S WHY I WROTE MY NOTES BASED ON I HAVEN'T MENTIONED ANY OF WHAT I WROTE DOWN BECAUSE EVERYBODY HAS ALREADY MENTIONED PART OF THAT BUT THE REALITY IS THAT AS A PART OF THE POTENTIAL REVENUE THOSE TAX LEVIES INCLUDED IN THEIR POTENTIAL TAX LEVY OR STUFF AND THAT'S WHAT I DON'T APPROVE OF THIS. I MEAN WE CAN LOOK FOR OTHER WAYS OF GETTING REVENUE FIND IT IN THE PLAN. COUNCILMEMBER REVISITED THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN OUR WORK PLAN OUR 2025 WORK PLAN. WE DID NOT LIST REVENUE SOURCES BUT IT WAS INCLUDED IN OUR CITYWIDE PLAN AS YES, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING AT THE 20 WE VOTED ON THAT 15 MINUTES AGO YOU WERE WE LITERALLY JUST THAT WAS THE THING. OKAY. SO I BLEW IT AND I VOTED YES ON IT. IT'S OKAY. BUT I CERTAINLY TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND WE WILL FOR THE CITY YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN TO OTHER THAN THAT I TELL YOU I, I BEEN TRANSFORMED IN REGARDS TO THE ART. I'LL GO HELP AND DO WHATEVER I CAN DO TO DO THINGS BUT IT'S JUST THAT ONE THING THE TAX LEVY AND IT'S YOU KNOW WE BOUGHT EVERYBODY ON IT AND TO THAT I CAN TAKE THE HEAT FOR THAT IS OKAY OKAY OKAY ALL RIGHT MY APOLOGIES FOR THE CONFUSION. NO, NOT AT ALL. NOT AT ALL. I'M GLAD WE COULD CLARIFY IT. GLAD WE COULD CLARIFY IT. ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS COUNCIL WE HAVE A AN UPDATED MOTION AND AN UPDATED SECOND TO APPROVE THE WORK PLAN WITH THE UPDATE AS WE TALKED ABOUT. ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE. COUNCIL ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH COUNCIL THANKS FOR THE DISCUSSION ON THIS. I THINK THIS IS HELPFUL AND I THINK IT'S HELPFUL FOR THE STAFF AND THE COMMISSION TO HEAR THIS AS WELL. AND AND I WOULD AGREE COUNCILMEMBER NELSON PROBABLY HELPFUL FOR OTHERS AND YOU COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO AS WELL TO HEAR JUST ON A LARGE A LARGER PICTURE, A BIGGER PICTURE THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE KIND OF A SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ON WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT THIS TO BE BROUGHT FORWARD AS WE LOOK AT WORK PLANS, WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT THIS TO BE PART OF OUR DISCUSSIONS AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH ALL OF OUR BOARDS, COMMISSIONS AND AND GROUPS BRINGING THEIR WORK PLAN IN THERE. THEY'RE FRANKLY WHAT THEY'RE NOT JUST THIS YEAR'S WORK PLAN BUT AS WE SEE HERE A LONGER TERM WORK PLAN FORWARD. WE JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER. THANK YOU, EVERYONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. ITEM THREE ON OUR AGENDA IS OUR CONSENT BUSINESS COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO HAS THE CONSENT AGENDA TONIGHT. >> COUNCILMEMBER I THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I HAVE TWO HOLDS TONIGHT 3.4 AND 3.6. OTHERWISE I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER HOLDS. IF LESS SOMEBODY HAS FIRE HAS A LAST MINUTE HOLD I WOULD MOVE TONIGHT'S CONSENT AGENDA 3.1 TO 3.3 3.5 AND ITEMS 3.7 THROUGH 3.10 SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER TO ACCEPT TONIGHT'S CONSENT BUSINESS AS STATED NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO ITEM 3.4 A COUNCILMEMBER YES. ITEM 3.4 WAS HELD BY COUNCILMEMBER REGUS WHO HAD A FEW QUESTIONS ON THE VALLEY VIEW SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL PROJECT COUNCILMEMBER RELIES ON IS MORE LIKE A COMMENT AND THEN QUESTION A COMMENT WITHIN A QUESTION IF NECESSARY TO THE PLAN THEY WOULD BE PUT IN WE VOTE ON IT TONIGHT AND THEN IF WE APPROVE IT THEY GO AND SUBMIT FORBIDS IN JUNE SO THAT'S APRIL, MAY, JUNE 3RD MONTHS LATER AND I JUST QUESTION AND THEN THE FEASIBILITY ON THAT BECAUSE THEY ALSO MENTION THAT BY DOING SO THEY MIGHT RUN INTO THE SCHOOL YEAR WHILE THE CONSTRUCTION IS TAKING PLACE OR WHY DO IT IN JUNE AND NOT DO IN EARLIER IF IF YOU KNOW IF WE VOTE YES ON THAT WHY PUSH IT ALL THE WAY TO JUNE? >> JULIE LONG, OUR CITY ENGINEER IS HERE. GOOD EVENING. WELCOME. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS, THE UNIQUE ATTRIBUTES OF THIS SCHEDULE IS THE FUNDING FOR THIS SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL PROJECT COMES FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND IF YOU'VE WATCHED THE NEWS RIGHT NOW YOU KNOW THAT THERE IS A POTENTIAL OF A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN AND THERE'S SOME DIFFERENT UNKNOWN REGARDING THE FEDERAL FUNDING. SO WE WERE TRYING TO PUT IN CAVEATS THAT WOULD PROTECT US AND BE CLEAR TO YOU AND PRESENT THE PROJECT AS WE WOULD LIKE IT TO GO FORWARD. WE WOULD LOVE TO BE OPTIMISTIC AND SAY EVERYTHING'S GOING TO LINE UP PERFECTLY AND WE'RE GOING TO GET BIDS AND BUILD TH PROJECT OVER THE SUMMER AND NOT IMPACT THE SCHOOL YEAR BUT THE REALITY OF THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT IS THAT THAT WE MAY BE WRONG IN THAT GUESS AND THIS PROJECT COULD EXTEND OUT FURTHER BECAUSE IT IS A FEDERAL AID PROJECT WE ALSO NEED TO GET RIGHT AWAY CERTIFICATES DISADVANTAGED BUSINESS ENTERPRISE CERTIFICATES AND THOSE ARE ALL CURRENT REGULATIONS. THOSE COULD CHANGE BUT BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW RIGHT NOW THAT'S THE PROCESS AND THAT TAKES TIME. AGAIN, I WAS UNDER THE ASSUMPTION BASED ON WHAT I READ THAT THE FUNDS WERE ALREADY EXISTING SO THAT'S WHY I QUESTIONED IT. BUT YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET GRANTS FOR SMALL PROJECTS AND I THINK I READ SOMETHING ON MY EMAIL FROM THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES TODAY THAT A LOT OF THE GRANTS FOR BIG PROJECTS IS THE MONEY'S NOT COMING IN TO THE STATE. I DON'T WANT TO MISS ANYBODY. YOU PROBABLY GET THE SAME EMAILS BUT I READ THAT THIS MORNING AND YOU KNOW IT'S VERY DISAPPOINTING BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHY WE HAD TO WAIT BUDGET. I UNDERSTAND THAT AND THAT'S ALL I HAD. I WASN'T CALLING IT FOR ANY OTHER REASON. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. MAYOR, COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS, WE HAVE HEARD THOSE SAME THINGS ABOUT THE FUNDING SO FAR. EVERY TIME WE ASKED THEM IN THAT THEY HAVE SAID THAT THE FUNDING IS STILL THERE. WE'RE NERVOUS JUST LIKE THE LEAGUE OF MINNESOTA CITIES IS. SO WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT IT ALL COMES BUT WE MAY BRING AN ITEM TO YOU LATER TO CANCEL THE PROJECT IF WE CAN'T FIND THE FUNDING, IF THE FUNDING GOES AWAY I HOPE WE DON'T COME BACK . THANK YOU. THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION. COUNCILMEMBER. YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE ITEM 3.4 THEN I WOULD SAY OKAY I MOVE THE MOTION. THAT'S CORRECT. OH, HE'S ASKING FOR 18 3.4. THAT'S A TWO TO APPROVE. YEAH. JUST READ THE MOTION. OKAY AND AND MAKE A MOTION FOR ITEM 3.4 TO ADDRESS. MY GOSH, MAN, YOU CAN JUST START HERE, RIGHT? SO I PUT IN PLACE JUST NOTHING A MOTION FOR I DIDN'T DO BEFORE APPROVING PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE 2025 TO OR TO EVOLVE YOUR SCHOOLS SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL IS OUR TEACHERS IMPROVEMENT PROJECT SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO TO ITEM 3.4 ON TONIGHT'S CONSENT BUSINESS NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I. I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO ITEM 3.6. >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO I WAS I'M HOLDING THIS ONE BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AT COUNCIL AND I APOLOGIZE. I WILL HOPEFULLY THIS I WON'T IF AND THE REASON WE'RE HERE UNTIL TEN I'M VERY SORRY ON THIS ONE I MY QUESTION WAS GIVEN THE CONSTRAINTS FROM A BUDGETARY PERSPECTIVE THAT WERE UNDER AND GIVEN THE FEEDBACK THAT I'VE RECEIVED SO FAR THAT THE INTERIM CITY COUNCIL OR OUR CITY MANAGER PROCESS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE RIGHT NOW IS WORKING VERY WELL. MY THOUGHT WAS THAT WE MAYBE DELAY A SEARCH FOR A NEW CITY MANAGER THEREBY SAVING FOR A PERIOD OF TIME ANYWAY BOTH THE SALARY AND ALSO THE FINDER'S FEE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT. SO I WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE TO COUNCIL TO FIND OUT IF THERE WAS AN INTEREST IN IN THAT IF I FELT LIKE THINGS WERE GOING BADLY I WOULD NOT NECESSARILY DO THIS. OBVIOUSLY. BUT I HAVE HEARD THROUGH BOTH YOU KNOW, MY INTERACTIONS WITH STAFF AND ALSO GENERALLY SPEAKING IN THE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THE CITY IS STILL WELL RUN, THAT PEOPLE ARE GETTING THEIR BILLS ON TIME, THAT THAT'S EVERYTHING'S GETTING PLOWED THAT THE IF YOU LOOK AT THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT IN HOW WELL THEY DID WITH THE SEWERS YOU KNOW WATER MAIN BREAKS RECENTLY AND ALL KINDS OF OTHER THINGS I FEEL LIKE THIS IT'S MOVING WELL AND AT RISK OF ADDING MORE TO THE PLATE OF PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO DO A LOT IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME PREPARING FOR A BUDGET CONSTRAINT. WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MANAGE ADDING THIS ON TOP OF THAT AND ON TOP OF THAT WE GET TO SAVE MAYBE 250 K I DON'T KNOW LIKE YOU KNOW, JUST SEEMED LIKE MAYBE A GOOD IDEA TO CONSIDER. SO I WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE WITH MY WITH MY OWN ENDORSEMENT OF IT TO SEE IF OTHER PEOPLE HAVE A POINT OF VIEW ON THAT COUNCIL THOUGHTS ON THIS COUNCIL MEMBER LOWMAN OH WELL I MEAN FOR ME SO YOU KNOW CERTAINLY I HAVE A YOU KNOW I'M INTERESTED IN THIS PARTICULAR CONCEPT AT LEAST DISCUSSING IT BECAUSE I MEAN THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF SAVING MONEY, YOU KNOW, AND THE OTHER REASON I ALSO HELD THIS AS WELL AS I WANTED THE MAYOR TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS BY WHICH THAT YOU PICKED THIS PARTICULAR AND WHAT WENT INTO THAT. AND EVEN IF YOU KNOW, WE COULD EVEN CONSIDER THIS ARRANGEMENT LONG TERM, IS THAT IS THAT A POSSIBILITY, YOU KNOW, FOR YOU KNOW, FOR THIS PARTICULAR ARE ,YOU KNOW, AUTHORIZATION THAT WE HAVE HERE? WILL THEY LOOK AT THAT AS A POSSIBILITY? I MEAN BECAUSE I MEAN IT DOES HAVE SOME SAVINGS TO IT IS THAT FUNCTIONAL? SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I KIND OF HAVE AND I THINK IT'S WORTH SINCE WE'RE IN THIS BUDGET CIRCUMSTANCE SITUATION AND I KNOW THAT THIS MAY NOT BE THE PROPER TIME TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION BUT BY MOST OPEN TO THE IDEA I'LL SPARE. NELSON YEAH, BUT I'LL GET TO YOUR QUESTIONS IN A BIT. COUNCILMEMBER LEMON COUNCILMEMBER NELSON THANK YOU MAYOR. I'M OPEN TO THIS IDEA AND IN ADDITION TO THE BUDGET SAVINGS YOU KNOW ONE AS LONG AS IT'S NOT TOO MUCH OF A BURDEN ON THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS, I KNOW THEY'VE HAD TO PICK UP SOME TASKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT SO I WOULD LIKE TO GET FEEDBACK ON THAT AT SOME POINT. MAYBE IT'S TODAY, MAYBE IT'S AT OUR NEXT MEETING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT SECOND I THINK IT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY FUNDAMENT REALLY THINK ABOUT WHAT WE NEED AS OPPOSED TO WHAT WE HAD AND WHAT WE MIGHT LEARN FROM OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER'S ABOUT HOW TO SHAPE THAT JOB, ABOUT HOW TO SHAPE FRANKLY THE ENTIRE ADMINISTRATIVE PART AND GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK AFTER SOME TIME BEING IN THOSE POSITIONS AND LEARNING WHAT WHAT THEY LEARN FROM THAT AND MAYBE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND MAYBE THEY HAVE THE CITY MANAGER WITH TWO ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS IS THE BEST WAY TO GO FORWARD. IT MAY BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT BUT I WOULD JUST OPEN IT UP TO THAT OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLORE IT WITH THE PROFESSIONAL FEEDBACK FROM FROM OUR YOU KNOW, VERY CAPABLE STAFF THAT I AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO IS AND THE CITY IS CONTINUING TO RUN VERY WELL NOT JUST RUN NOT JUST GET BY BUT RUN VERY WELL. SO COUNCILMEMBER REALIZE I SAID THIS BEFORE IF THE LADIES REMEMBER I MENTIONED THAT HEY THEY'RE VERY CAPABLE. I THINK I WOULD JUST ECHO WHAT EVERYBODY HAS SAID. I DO BELIEVE IN THAT. I MEAN AND ADDING WHAT COUNCILMEMBER NELSON MENTIONED THE FACT THAT THEY SHOULD GIVE US SOME FEEDBACK WHETHER THEY CAN HANDLE THE EXTRA RESPONSIBILITIES THAT THEY MIGHT HEAR IT WITH THAT. BUT I, I AM 100% BEHIND THIS. I THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER JUST KEEPING IT THE WAY IT IS. THANK YOU. OTHERS THAT'S MEMBER TURNER I'LL KEEP MY COMMENT BRIEF. I'M I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS IDEA AND AGREE WITH MUCH OF WHAT'S BEEN SAID. MR. MAYOR, DO WE WANT TO THINK ABOUT PUTTING A MAYBE BRING IT BACK IN SIX MONTHS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND AND HAVING THAT FEEDBACK SESSION BEFOREHAND OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE WE CAN. LET ME I SAW COUNCILMEMBER KUSH STAND UP FIRST COUNCILMEMBER THANK YOU MAYOR I'VE BEEN CHEWING ON THIS QUESTION ALL DAY AND TYPICALLY I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE SOMEONE QUICKLY AND SEAT BECAUSE WITHOUT TOP LEADERSHIP THERE IS A DESTABILIZATION OF EVERYTHING UNDERNEATH TYPICALLY WE HAVEN'T SEEN THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO FANTASTIC CITY MANAGERS BUT I'M ALSO THINKING ABOUT LIKE WHAT ARE THEIR CAREER PROGRESSIONS? WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO DO? AND SO AS I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS AND THE TIMELINE AS WELL THE TIMELINES A PIECE THAT I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT AS WELL 4 TO 6 MONTHS WHICH MEANS WE WON'T HAVE SOMEONE REALLY LIKE NARROWED DOWN UNTIL LIKE END OF Q3 ASSUMING EVERYTHING GOES PERFECTLY. SO DOES IT MAKE SENSE THEN TO HAVE SOMEONE COME IN IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR EXTREMELY BUSY SEASON AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUDGETS, WE'RE REVIEWING EVERYTHING AND TRYING TO HAVE THEM KEEP UP WITH WHAT'S GOING ON SO THAT MAKES MORE SENSE FOR US TO PUSH THAT OUT. WE'LL HAVE A JANUARY 1ST DAY. I THINK THE WORK STILL NEEDS TO BE DONE THIS YEAR BUT IF WE HAD A JANUARY 1ST START DATES WE COULD FIND SOMEBODY, GET SOMEBODY IN AND THEN HAVE THEM TAKE OFF AND HAVE THAT TIME TO ACCLIMATE TO WHAT WE'RE ASKING THEM TO DO. JAN ONE VERSUS COMING IN BUSY SEASON MIGHT MAKE SENSE FOR THAT AND THEN IT LEADS TO THE COSTAVINGS AND WHATEVER BUT IT'S VERY SHORT TERM AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS CLEAR ON THAT. IF WE DO PUSH THIS OUT THERE'S ONLY ONE YEAR OF SAVINGS IS NOT FOREVER. EVERY LITTLE PENNY HELPS BUT THAT'S THAT'S THE REALITY OF IT. IT'S NOT FOREVER. SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS THAT I'VE BEEN CHEWING ON THIS FOR FOR TODAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER FROM MY PERSPECTIVE I'M NOT A FAN AT ALL OF THIS IDEA AND FOR A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT REASONS I AGREE 100% THAT OUR CODE INTERIM CITY MANAGERS ARE DOING AN OUTSTANDING JOB. WE KNEW THEY WOULD AND FOR THAT MATTER I KNEW THAT OUR CITY STRUCTURE IN GENERAL WAS STRONG ENOUGH THAT EVEN WITHOUT A CITY MANAGER WE WEREN'T GOING OFF THE RAILS ANYTIME SOON. WE HAVE OUTSTANDING LEADERSHIP. WE'VE GOT OUTSTANDING EMPLOYEES, WE'VE GOT THE STRUCTURES AND THE SYSTEMS IN PLACE TO KEEP THE CITY HUMMING ALONG FOR FOR QUITE A WHILE ACTUALLY WITHIN THE INTERIM MODEL WE REALLY DO AND I'M JUST NOT IN FAVOR OF AN EXTENDED INTERIM MODEL FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. FIRST OF ALL THE PRACTICAL REASON COUNCILMEMBER IS RIGHT IT WILL BE IT WILL BE AT EARLIEST MID-SUMMER BEFORE WE WILL GET SOMEONE ON BOARD SO THE SAVINGS WOULD NOT BE AS LARGE AS ANYONE WOULD THINK. I DON'T EXPECT TO HAVE SOMEONE YOU KNOW, COME ON BOARD IN AUGUST. WE'D BE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, 4 OR 5 MONTHS OF SAVINGS WHICH YES IT'S SAVINGS BUT IT'S NOT AS LARGE IT'S NOT THIS HUGE WINDFALL THAT I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S EXPECTING A LARGE WINDFALL BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE THE CASE. SECONDLY, I THINK THERE IS A LOT TO BE SAID TO GETTING A CITY MANAGER IN A PERMANENT CITY MANAGER IN AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AS WE GET INTO THE BUDGET DISCUSSION. GRANTED A CITY MANAGER COMING IN IN MID SUMMER EARLY FALL WILL NOT HAVE AN ENORMOUS INPUT IMPACT OR INFLUENCE IN THE CITY BUDGET BUT WILL BE ABLE TO HEAR WHAT THE COUNCIL IS SAYING BE ABLE TO BE PART OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS, BE ABLE TO BEGIN TO SHAPE WHAT HOW THEY WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR BUDGET IN 2027 AND BEYOND AS THEY'RE THE ONE THEN WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PUTTING THE BUDGET TOGETHER? I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE THAT PERSON ON BOARD JUST TO HEAR THE CONVERSATION AND TO WORK THROUGH IT UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S GOING TO BE LIMITED, THEIR UNDERSTANDING IS GOING TO BE LIMITED. THEIR IMPACT AND THEIR INFLUENCE IS GOING TO BE LIMITED BECAUSE SO MUCH OF THAT WORK IS GOING TO BE STARTING VERY QUICKLY HERE AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO WITH IT. AND FINALLY AND IT'S LESS QUANTIFIABLE BUT I THINK THERE'S A REPUTATIONAL THING AS WELL TO TO BE IN AN INTERIM SITUATION FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD. I THINK IT REFLECTS SOMETHING THAT I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK WE WANT TO REFLECT AS A CITY AND AGAIN NOTHING AGAINST THE INTERIMS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE. BUT I THINK THE LONGER THAT YOU HAVE AN INTERIM IN PLACE I THINK THERE IS MORE OF A OF A OF A SIGNAL OF EITHER INSTABILITY OR A LACK OF HAVING THOSE ROUTES DOWN OR MOVING FORWARD AND I MEAN I'VE SEEN THAT WITHIN LOCAL GOVERNMENT. I'VE SEEN IN HIGHER EDUCATION YOU SEE IT IN DIFFERENT PLACES. I THINK THE LONGER THE INTERIM POSITION LASTS THE THE MORE THERE ARE QUESTIONS RAISED ABOUT IT. AND SO I AM NOT A NOT NOT A FAN OF THIS PLAN. I THINK IT'S A IT'S AN INTERESTING CONCEPT. I YOU KNOW, KUDOS FOR DIFFERENT IDEAS THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX HOW WE CAN TRY AND DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY PERHAPS SAVE MONEY IN SOME WAYS I JUST DON'T THINK FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT THIS IS THE WINDFALL WE THINK IT'S GOING TO BE. AND I JUST THINK FROM A LONG TERM PERSPECTIVE I THINK TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE THE SEARCH IS THE THING TO DO. AND TO YOUR QUESTION, COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN, I DON'T HONESTLY KNOW. I MEAN WE WE DID AN INTERVIEW WE IT WAS THE DIRECTOR THE CITY THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER AND MYSELF INTERVIEWED I THINK 4 OR 5 DIFFERENT SEARCH FIRMS WHO SUBMITTED RFP OR SUBMITTED PROPOSALS BASICALLY TO THE CITY, TALKED TO THEM, NARROWED IT DOWN, LOOKED AT LOOKED AT COSTS, LOOKED AT EXPERIENCE, LOOKED AT JUST COMFORT AND AND HOW THEY PRESENTED AND WHAT THEIR PLANS WERE MOVING FORWARD IN TERMS OF HOW THEY WERE GOING TO SHAPE THE SEARCH PROCESS AND SHAPE THE POSITION DESCRIPTION AND ULTIMATELY GET TO A YOU KNOW, THE THE SEARCH AND THE THE PROCESS THAT THEY WOULD USE MADE THE DECISION FOR THIS COMPANY. NO IDEA IF WE SAID TO THEM BUT WE'RE GOING TO WAIT NOW FOR SIX MONTHS I DON'T KNOW I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE EVEN SIGNED A CONTRACT IF IF IT SAYS THAT WE'VE GOT TO START RIGHT NOW I'M NOT NOT SURE. BUT I MEAN IT'S WORTH THE QUESTION IF THIS COUNCIL DECIDES TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, THAT'S WORTH THE QUESTION. BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE THE CASE. AND I'M I'M ALSO YOU DIDN'T SAY THIS BUT I'M ALSO HEARING YOU SAY THAT KEEPING THIS MODEL LONG TERM IS SOMETHING THAT I MEAN IT'S UNDER THE CHARTER EITHER I UNDERSTAND THAT AS WELL. SO WE'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH A WHOLE CHARTER CHANGE AS WELL. BUT I THINK THAT'S MORE SO THE YOU KNOW, THE INTEREST ON MY PART IS, YOU KNOW, COULD YOU COULD YOU, YOU KNOW, MEMORIALIZE THIS WITH YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'VE GOT NOW AND SEE IF THAT WORKS GOING FORWARD? I DON'T KNOW OF ANY OTHER CITIES THAT DO THIS BUT THAT WAS PART OF MY QUESTION IN TERMS OF IS THIS SOMETHING WE COULD EVEN LOOK AT AS A PART OF THIS PROCESS AS WE'RE KIND OF WORKING OUR WAY THROUGH YOU KNOW, AND I DEFINITELY TRUST YOU KNOW YOU KNOW YOU KNOW THE THINGS YOU'VE YOU'VE KIND OF MARKED OUT HERE AND THAT INSTABILITY PIECE IS SOMETHING I AND I GOT TO THINK ABOUT. SO BUT I GET RID OF THAT INSTABILITY BY JUST SAYING LET'S MEMORIALIZE THIS AND JUST KIND OF KEEP IT GOING FORTH WELL WITH WITH THE TWO. SO THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION FOR YOU NOW THAT KIND OF LAID THAT OUT IS THAT EVEN VIABLE? WHAT ARE YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT THAT? WELL, I THINK YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. WE WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THE CHARTER AND HONESTLY I DON'T KNOW OF ANY OTHER ORGANIZATION DOESN'T MEAN IT CAN'T BE DONE. BUT I DON'T KNOW OF AN ORGANIZATION IN A MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT THAT HAS CALLED THE CITY MANAGERS. I DON'T I'VE NOT HEARD OF ONE SO I THINK EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO TO WEIGH IN HERE AND IT'S OBVIOUSLY UP TO THE TO THE TO THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL IF WE WANT TO FOLLOW COUNCILMEMBER D'ALESSANDRO, HIS SUGGESTION HERE BASICALLY I THINK WITHIN THIS WHAT I WOULD LOOK FOR WOULD BE A MOTION TO REJECT ITEM 3.6 TO AUTHORIZE THE CONTRACT FOR SERVICES WITH MOSAIC AND THEN PERHAPS AS WE REJECT THIS THEN AS WE GET TO THE POLICY AND ISSUE UPDATE AT OUR END OF OUR MEETING A SECOND MOTION COMING FORWARD BASICALLY SAYING TO TO KEEP THIS POSITION OR KEEP THE THIS OR ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE IN PLACE UNTIL DATE CERTAIN. SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD THAT'S WHAT I WOULD THINK. >> AM I CORRECT IN THAT AND IS MY UNDERSTANDING IS MADISON MAYOR REMEMBERS TYPICALLY WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO REJECT ALL PROPOSALS AS STANDARD LANGUAGE IN OUR RFP PROCESS. NOW GIVEN THE DOLLAR AMOUNT ON THIS ONE WE DID NOT USE AN RFP FORMAL RFP PROCESS IS MY UNDERSTANDING. THAT SAID, I SUSPECT THAT THE APPLICANT WHO WE'RE POTENTIALLY REWARDING A CONTRACT TO TONIGHT WOULD HAVE PROPOSED A TIMELINE. WOULD THERE BE ANY INTEREST IN REACHING OUT TO THE APPLICANT TO SEE IF THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN A DELAYED TIMELINE OR A LONGER TIMELINE OR WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT GIVEN THAT DURATION OF TIMELINE OR IS THERE A DESIRE TO SIMPLY PAUSE EVERYTHING AND STARTED UP AGAIN IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS AND IF SO, WOULD YOU LIKE US TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE APPLICANT? I THINK THAT THERE'S A COUPLE OF ON RAMPS AND OFF RAMPS AND I'M NOT SURE THAT REJECTING IT IS NECESSARILY BECAUSE THEY WANT TO START ALL OVER AGAIN AND THAT'LL TAKE A BUNCH OF TIME AND MONEY THAT'S COUNCIL YES, MR. MAYOR IF I COULD GO SANDRA SO A COUPLE OF IDEAS. SO FIRST OFF I DO WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANYTHING IN OUR CHARTER OR IN IN ANY OF THIS THAT PRECLUDES EITHER ONE OR BOTH OF OUR INTERIM CITY MANAGERS FOR APPLYING FOR THE POSITION OF CITY MANAGER. RIGHT. SO THERE'S NO NOBODY'S EXPECTING THAT THAT COULDN'T HAPPEN. OH RIGHT. OKAY GREAT. WONDERFUL. OKAY SO IF IF IF THEY WANTED TO DO THAT THEY COULD DO THAT WHETHER WE STARTED THIS SEARCH TODAY BY SIGNING THIS CONTRACT TODAY OR WE SIGNED THIS THIS AUTHORIZATION BUT WE WE TABLED THE THE WE TABLED THE ACTIVITY FOR SIX MONTHS TO GET THE FEEDBACK THAT COUNCILMEMBER NELSON WAS RECOMMENDING THAT THIS DELAY WOULD POTENTIALLY SUPPORT. WOULD WOULD THAT COULD WE DO THAT WITHOUT HAVING TO DO A WHOLE NEW MOTION OR NEW CHARTER PLAN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? LIKE IT WOULD JUST BE LIKE BASICALLY THE START DATE OF THE CONTRACT IS DELAYED BY X NUMBER OF MONTHS OR WHATNOT ,RIGHT. I THINK COUNCILMEMBER I THINK THAT WOULD BE DOABLE BUT I THINK A CONTRACT SIGNED BY TWO PARTIES AND SO THE MOSAIC WOULD HAVE TO AGREE TO THAT AS WELL. YEAH. YEAH. SO MAYOR MEMBERS, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE IF I IF I'M SORT OF TRACKING THE CONVERSATION HERE TO MAYBE DIRECT STAFF TO REACH OUT TO MOSAIC AND ASK THEM IF THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IF THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE THE SAME BUT DELAYED FOR WHATEVER TIME PERIOD YOU TELL US TO SUGGEST. AND COULD THEY DO THAT? COULD THEY DO THAT FOR THE SAME PRICE AND THEN WE COULD COME BACK ON THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING WHICH I BELIEVE IS THE 17TH AND PROVIDE YOU WITH THE RESPONSE AND IF EVERYTHING IS A GOAL THEN YOU ALL COULD APPROVE IT WITH AN ADJUSTED TIMELINE. IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING DISCUSSION BE DOES THAT SOUND LIKE WHAT FOLKS ARE ANGLING TOWARD HERE? COUNCILMEMBER LOVEMAN I GUESS UNLESS WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THIS ARRANGEMENT PERMANENT I JUST I DON'T UNDERSTAND REALLY WHY WE'RE GOING TO DELAY THIS. I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO SAVE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY FROM THIS. I TOTALLY GET THAT. BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, THE MAYOR BROUGHT FORWARD THIS YOU KNOW, IF WE GET THE CITY MANAGER HERE EARLIER, THEY'RE GOING TO BE MORE VERSED IN OUR YOU KNOW, IN OUR PROCEDURE IN TERMS OF OUR YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF OUR OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING AROUND HERE. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH THE SAME MODEL KIND OF GOING FORWARD, I DON'T I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE DOING THIS DELAY AND I HAVE A HARDER TIME WITH IT. YOU KNOW, I THINK IF WE'RE FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH WE'RE GOING TO YOU KNOW, JUST GO WITH THIS MODEL AND EVEN NOW HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT IF YOU HAVE A LAWSUIT WAS THAT LOOK LIKE YOU KNOW OTHER OTHER THINGS BUT I JUST I'M I MEAN I WAS I WAS OPEN TO THE IDEA BUT I'M I'M STARTING TO THINK THIS IS MAYBE A BAD IDEA UNLESS WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING TO TRY TO DO THIS PERMANENTLY KIND OF MOVE FORWARD WHICH I STILL INTERESTED IN THAT BUT I KNOW THERE BE MORE WORK THAT NEED TO BE DONE WITH THAT IN ORDER TO KIND OF MOVE THAT FORWARD. SO I THINK AT THIS POINT I DON'T KNOW IF I REALLY WANT TO STOP THIS PROCESS. COUNCILMEMBER AND AND COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS COUNCILMEMBER FOR YOU MAYOR YEAH. >> AS WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO THIS, I'M JUST FALLING BACK ON THE ORIGINAL THOUGHT I HAD AND THAT IS TO TO MOVE AS HIGH AS WE CAN TO GET A CITY MANAGER AND SEE AND NOT DELAY COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS I BELIEVE THAT THAT WE SHOULD WAIT AND LISTEN TO THE FEEDBACK THAT THE TWO CITY MANAGERS COULD GIVE US AND HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT IT, HOW WE COULD EVEN MAKE IT COULD EVEN MAKE IT PERMANENT AND WHO KNOWS THE IDEA HAVING THE EXTRA EXPENSE IS NOT ONLY WHAT THE RESERVATION IS BUT DO WE REALLY NEED ANOTHER PERSON TO BE THERE? I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OF THIS FUNCTION. I MEAN ON THE CONTRARY I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WHERE DISCUSS THAT WILL BE IMPROVED MAKING THE AGENDA COME UP EARLIER AND THINGS HAPPENING A LOT FASTER. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE NOTICED MYSELF. SO AS A MATTER OF FACT I THINK THINGS HAVE IMPROVED COMPARED TO WHAT WE HAD BEFORE SO I DON'T SEE WHY WE SHOULDN'T GIVE IT A TRY AND POSTPONE IT NOT ONLY FOR SIX MONTHS BUT JUST WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS HOW HOW THE TWO LADIES FEEL ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING OR MAYBE EVEN IN THE FUTURE. ONE OF THE IN THE LAST TWO BE THE ONE DIRECTING THE WHOLE AS ONE AND THEN THE OTHER ONE AS AN ASSISTANT I DON'T KNOW BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO MAKE THIS A PRIORITY AT THIS MOMENT I THINK IS WORKING GREAT. LIKE I SAID I HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF IMPROVEMENT SO HOW THINGS HAVE WORK THERE IS ONLY ONE THING WHICH IS ANOTHER LECTURE. I DON'T WANT TO EXTEND THE EVENING TOO LONG BUT BUT THE REALITY IS THAT I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS IN COMMUNICATION. I GET RESPONSES A LOT FASTER TO QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE. YOU KNOW IT'S SO I DON'T SEE ANY DYSFUNCTIONAL ANY DYSFUNCTION GOING WHEN IT COMES TO ANY MANAGEMENT IN THE CITY AND AS I ALSO ASK QUESTIONS EVERYBODY SEEMS TO BE VERY HAPPY HOW THINGS ARE GOING. SO I IF WE POSTPONE THIS WE SHOULD PUSH FORWARD INDEFINITELY UNTIL YOU KNOW WE SEE THE NEED OF ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. AND AGAIN THEY'RE BOTH VERY CAPABLE. ONE OF THEM MIGHT DECIDE TO SAY HEY, YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO BE THE ONE AND WHY NOT WAIT UNTIL THEN? IT'S NOT JUST BAD. THE SAVINGS IS ABOUT THE FUNCTIONALITY AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE I HAVE NOTICED A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT EVERYBODY ELSE BUT IT'S VERY BENEFICIAL WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON. QUESTIONS AS HERE A LOT QUICKER THAN BEFORE AND SO I'M YOU KNOW THAT'S BUT WHAT I AM THINKING THAT WE SHOULD KEEP IT THIS WAY COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE ANYBODY ELSE WHO HAS HAD IT HASN'T HAD A SECOND BITE OF THE APPLE YET BECAUSE REMEMBER ELSE ANY ANYTHING AND THEN COUNCILMEMBER CARTER AND COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO SO ROMERO YEAH LIKE ASK ALWAYS TALK I DO THINK THERE'S ONE STEP THAT I DON'T WANT TO MISS AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO DO IT RIGHT NOW TONIGHT BUT I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO GET FEEDBACK FROM OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS BECAUSE I DON'T PERSONALLY FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT ADDITIONAL BURDEN THIS MIGHT BE ON THEM AND IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN I THINK IT WOULD BE AN UNFAIR REQUEST TO PUT THAT ON TO THEM AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO GET THAT ANSWERED IN A RELATIVELY SHORT FASHION. AGAIN, NOT SO TONIGHT. YOU KNOW, TAKE SOME TIME, THINK ABOUT IT, PROVIDE THAT FEEDBACK TO US AND IF YOU THINK IT'S WORKABLE THEN THEN I'M OPEN TO IT. I'M VERY OPEN TO IT. IF IF YOU COME BACK AND YOU SAY IT'S JUST NOT WORKABLE, I CAN'T WORK 80 HOURS A WEEK AND I CAN'T DO THIS OR THAT THAT WOULD BE A COMPLETELY UNFAIR REQUEST OF THIS COUNCIL TO ANY STAFF PERSON, YOU KNOW. AND SO THAT IS THE ONE THING THAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW BEFORE DETERMINING IF WE DON'T DO IT IF WE DO IT FOR SIX MONTHS OR IF WE JUST START TO ACTUALLY CONSIDER AND TALK ABOUT A DIFFERENT MODEL. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE OKAY WITH THAT. SO THAT'S COUNCILMEMBER CARTER. I THINK MAYOR SO I 100% AGREE WITH THAT. I WOULD LOVE TO BEFORE WE MAKE ANY DECISIONS OFFICIALLY WE'D LOVE TO GET THE FEEDBACK FROM THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS, YOU KNOW, REALLY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A REASONABLE REQUEST. I REALLY I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF WAITING 3 TO 6 MONTHS NOT ONLY SO THAT THEY HAVE MORE TIME IN THEIR ROLES AND CAN PROVIDE EVEN MORE SUBSTANTIAL FEEDBACK WHEN WE BRING THE RECRUITER ON BUT ALSO IT WOULD GIVE US TIME AS A COUNCIL TO KIND OF CONSIDER IF WE WANT TO THINK ABOUT THIS MODEL FOR THE LONG TERM AND IF IT IS WORTH GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF CHANGING OUR CITY CHARTER AND ALL OF THAT STUFF AND SO I DON'T REALLY SEE A LOT OF I MEAN I DO I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR POINTS HERE ABOUT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, HAVING AN INTERIM FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME. I DO THINK I'M GOING TO ASSERT MAYBE WE CAN START USING THE WORD UNPRECEDENTED AGAIN LIKE NOW WE'RE BACK. BUT YOU KNOW, I MEAN LIKE THE TIMES ARE LITTLE AND THINGS ARE CHANGING AND THINGS ARE WEIRD RIGHT NOW AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CHANGE IN THE CITY OVER THE PAST YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF AND ACTUALLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN KIND OF FEELING AND SENSING IS THAT THINGS FEEL PRETTY STABLE RIGHT NOW DESPITE ALL OF THE CHAOS GOING ON EVERYWHERE ELSE. AND SO THAT'S WHERE MY THINKING IS THAT IN COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO . >> YEAH. THANKS, MR. MAYOR. MAYBE MAYBE WHAT I WHAT I CAN SUGGEST IS A TABLING OF THIS FOR A PERIOD FOR ANOTHER MEETING AND LIKE IN IN WITH THE DIRECTION TO THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS IN THE INTERIM TO PLEASE GIVE US THAT FEEDBACK AND GIVE US BRING THAT TO US IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PUBLIC. IT COULD BE IN A MEMO OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. BUT YEAH, I MEAN I GUESS THE ONLY POINT I'LL MAKE ON THE FINANCIAL SIDE IS I'M OF THE OPINION THAT WE DON'T HAVE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF LIKE 85% OF OUR BUDGET IS PRETTY MUCH GUARANTEED BECAUSE OF POLICE FIRE PUBLIC WORKS LIKE WE HEAR THIS EVERY TIME WE DO THIS WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF ROOM. SO WHERE WE CAN FIND ROOM AND I'M OF THE OPINION THAT EVEN IF IT IS $165,000 AS OPPOSED TO $300,000 OR WHATEVER THE LAST TIME I CHECKED IF IF A POINT ON THE LEVY IS $650,000, THAT'S A QUARTER OF A POINT AND THAT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT IN MY MIND ANYWAY CERTAINLY MORE THAN I MAKE. >> SO IN THAT REGARD, YOU KNOW THE I THE IDEA THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY SAVE THAT AND ALSO TRULY GET GOOD FEEDBACK ALMOST FROM AN AUDIT PERSPECTIVE OF LIKE WHAT IS THE ROLE, WHAT'S GOING WELL, WHAT'S NOT GOING WELL, WHAT WHAT DO WHAT DO OUR STAFF LIKE ABOUT, YOU KNOW LEADERSHIP? WHAT DO THEY MISS ABOUT LEADERSHIP? BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS AND I DON'T MEAN THIS TO BE DISPARAGING OF OF A MANAGER FOR BOOGIE AT ALL BUT LIKE A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK ABOUT WHEN I THINK ABOUT WHAT HE DID ARE NOT NECESSARILY THE RUNNING OF THE CITY THINGS THEY ARE THE THE WORK THAT HE DID ON XPO, THE WORK THAT HE DID ON YOU KNOW, THE OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY ALL THAT STUFF WHICH IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT DON'T GET ME WRONG NO DISPARAGEMENT AT ALL BUT HE HE LEFT IT TO HIS EXECUTIVE STAFF TO RUN A LOT OF THE STUFF AND YOU KNOW TO TO COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS IS POINT I'D OFTEN ASK HIM A QUESTION AND HE'D HAVE TO GO ASK THEM ANYWAY AND SO AT THIS POINT I'M I DO FEEL LIKE I GET THERE'S A BETTER FEEDBACK LOOP FOR ME RIGHT NOW THAN THERE WAS BEFORE. NO CRITIQUE. NO CRITIQUE, JUST A FACT. RIGHT. AND SO I WANT TO I WANT TO LEVERAGE THAT IF POSSIBLE IF YOU KNOW, I WANT TO SEE WHAT WHAT COULD BE GOING WELL AND THEN TO YOUR POINT, COUNCILMEMBER NELSON, IF IF THE THIS THE FOLKS IN THE INTERIM ROLE RIGHT NOW ARE BURDENED BEYOND WHAT THEY SHOULD BE FOR YOU KNOW THE POSITION WE'VE ASKED THEM TO TAKE WE SHOULD ABSOLUTELY CORRECT THAT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. SO I DON'T DISAGREE. SO MAYBE MAYBE WHAT I COULD PROPOSE THEN IS THAT WE TABLE THIS TO A FUTURE DATE AND MAYBE IT'S NOT THE VERY NEXT MEETING BUT LIKE ONE MORE MEETING AND WE GET A MONTH TO LIKE LOOK AT FEEDBACK AND THEN WE CAN GO IN THERE AND WOULD WE THINK THAT MOSAIC WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT IF WE DID THAT? DO WE THINK IPPRECIATE THAT SUGGESTION AND I WAS GONNA MAKE THE SAME ACTUALLY JUST TO TABLE IT AND AND I THINK OF ALL THE OF ALL THE OPTIONS I'M GUESSING THEY WOULD BE MOST AMENABLE TO THAT TO A TO A TABLING YOU KNOW TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO GO NEXT AS OPPOSED TO PUSH IT ABOUT THREE, SIX, EIGHT MONTHS WHATEVER IT WOULD BE. SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE REQUEST. I THINK TO YOUR POINT AND TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS TO SEE WHERE THEY STAND AND GET SOME INFORMATION PERHAPS FROM OTHER EXECUTIVE LEVEL STAFF AS WELL AND FEEDBACK FROM THEM AND THEN JUST WANTING TO CAUTION ALSO OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS I'M I'M GLAD YOU'RE GETTING YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED QUICKLY. THE ROLE OF THE CITY MANAGER ISN'T JUST TO TAKE CARE OF ALL 6 OR 7 OF US BUT IT'S ALL SORT OF RUN THE CITY JUST IN GENERAL. SO IT'S WE'VE GOT TO LOOK BEYOND BASICALLY JUST HOW LATE OUR MEETINGS GO AND WHETHER OR NOT OUR QUESTIONS GETS ANSWERED QUICKLY. SO I THINK EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE HERE. I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IF I CAN GET SOME SOME NODDING HEADS ON THE NOTION OF TABLING THIS UNTIL WHAT'S THE MEETING AFTER THE MAYOR AND MEMBERS I WAS THINKING MARCH 31ST OR 21ST IT'S TWO MEETINGS FROM NOW WE HAVE 17 FROM 31ST AND SO BE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS UNTIL MARCH 31ST. SO I WILL I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE ITEM 3.6 UNTIL AND MOVE IT OUT TO THE AGENDA OF MARCH 31ST SECOND MOTION AND THE SECOND COUNCILMEMBER READ US TO TABLE ITEM 3.6 ON THE AGENDA AND UNTIL OUR MARCH 31ST MEETING ANY FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS IF NOT ALL? COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN WELL IT'LL GIVE ME A SECOND CHANCE AND SO I'M JUST GOING TO SAY ONE THING I JUST THINK THAT UNLESS WE'RE CONSIDERING THIS PERMANENTLY THIS IS WHY I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THIS. I THINK IT'S UNFAIR TO OUR CITY CITY ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. SO I WOULD I WOULD URGE US TO IF WE ARE GOING TO TABLE THIS AND WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THIS TO TO REALLY LOOK AT THIS AS A PERMANENT SOLUTION AND BECAUSE I JUST THINK IT'S UNFAIR TO ASK THESE FOLKS TO TO GO A LITTLE BIT LONGER WITH WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY BEING PAID. THEY NEED TO BE COMPENSATED FOR THIS ADDITIONAL PERIOD OF TIME AND HAVE SOME CERTAINTY TO WHAT THEIR FUTURE LOOKS LIKE. SO VERY GOOD. SO WE'VE GOT A MOTION IN A SECOND. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS COMMENTS IF NOT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED A MOTION CARRIES FIVE TWO WITH A LOWMAN AND A BUSSE IN OPPOSITION. WE WILL TALK ABOUT THIS AGAIN ON THE 31ST SO VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM FOUR ON OUR AGENDA ARE HEARINGS, RESOLUTIONS AND ORDINANCES AND WE HAVE ONE ITEM UNDER ITEM FOUR AND 4.1 A RESOLUTION TO ADOPT THE WEST METRO MULTI COMMUNITY WELLHEAD PROTECTION PLAN PART ONE UTILITY SUPERINTENDENT SCOTT ANDERSON GOOD EVENING ONCE AGAIN. EVENING MAYOR BUSSE COUNCIL MEMBERS WE'VE GOT A PRESENTATION COMING UP. WE'LL BE HERE TO TO PROVIDE A VERY BRIEF PRESENTATION ON THE AMENDMENT OR UPDATE TO THE CITY'S WELLHEAD PROTECTION PLAN. ALSO WITH US TONIGHT, ANIKA MUNSELL FROM MINNESOTA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH IS IN THE AUDIENCE IN CASE WE HAVE QUESTIONS WITH SOME OF THE DATA AND TECHNICALS OF WHAT'S GONE INTO PART ONE SO FAR. OOP THE OTHER PRESENTATION OKAY I DID SEE A TRICK A MEETING AGO. I CAN HAVE IT ON MY SCREEN. I CAN I CAN DO THIS IF THAT WORKS. LOOK AT THAT. I DON'T WORK. OKAY SO AS A PUBLIC WATER SUPPLIER THE CITY FOLLOWS REGULATIONS FROM A NUMBER OF SOURCES. THE FIRST THE PRIMARY BEING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE SAFE DRINKING WATER ACT. THIS COMING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE STATE LEVEL. THE STATUTORY AUTHORITY FOR THE DRINKING THE STATE'S DRINKING WATER PROGRAM RESIDES WITH THE MINNESOTA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND MINNESOTA RULES . WE HAVE AN EXISTING WELLHEAD PROTECTION PLAN LAST UPDATED IN IN 2014 TYPICALLY WELLHEAD PROTECTION PLANS ARE UPDATED EVERY TEN YEARS OR SOONER IF THERE ARE MAJOR CHANGES TO A WATER SUPPLY SYSTEM. PART ONE OF THE PLAN THERE ARE TWO PARTS TO THE PLAN WHICH IS WHY ON THIS AGENDA OR THIS ITEM IS FOCUSING ON PART ONE AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ABOUT PART TWO AS WELL. PART ONE IS IS THE DATA ELEMENT TO WELLHEAD PROTECTION. SO IT'S THE WELLHEAD PROTECTION AREAS DRINKING WATER SUPPLY MANAGEMENT AREAS AND WELL AND DRINKING WATER SUPPLY MANAGEMENT VULNERABILITY AND I'LL TALK ABOUT ALL OF THOSE THINGS IN A LITTLE BIT AS WELL THAT THE SECOND PART OF THE PLAN IS SORT OF THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PLAN IDENTIFICATION OF OF ISSUES A POTENTIAL CONTAMINANT SOURCE INVENTORY IS ONE OF THE MAIN COMPONENTS OF THAT PART TO ESTABLISHMENT OF GOALS,BJECTIVES, PLANS OF ACTIONS AND AN ALTERNATIVE WATER SUPPLY CONTINGENCY. SO AS I MENTIONED THESE PLANS ARE TYPICALLY UPDATED EVERY TEN YEARS. SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THE PAST CHALLENGES IN IN UPDATING THESE PLANS NUMBER ONE, THE DRINKING WATER SUPPLY MANAGEMENT AREAS, OUR DRINKING WATER SUPPLY MANAGEMENT AREA WHEN WE DO THIS ANALYSIS ON OUR OWN EXTENDS INTO DINAH EXTENDS INTO EDEN PRAIRIE OUTSIDE OF OUR OUR JURISDICTION OUTSIDE OF OUR LAND USE PLANNING CAPABILITIES . SO DOES MEANS DRINKING WATER SUPPLY MANAGEMENT OR IS NOT BOUND BY MUNICIPAL BOUNDARIES. THE AQUIFERS ARE NOT BOUND BY CITY LIMITS. THERE ARE VARYING SCHEDULES OURS CITY BLOOMINGTON'S PLAN IS DUE FOR AN UPDATE THIS YEAR E DINAH'S MIGHT BE TWO YEARS OUT. EDEN PRAIRIE'S MIGHT BE OUT MAYBE TWO YEARS AFTER THAT. THERE ARE UPDATES TO TO MODELS AND NEW INFORMATION THAT SORT OF CHANGE OUTCOMES AND HOW THESE AREAS AND VULNERABILITIES ARE DETERMINED . SO WHAT THIS PROJECT DOES IS PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK MORE COLLABORATIVELY WITH OTHER MUNICIPALITIES. IT ALSO GIVES THE AGENCIES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE STREAMLINED REVIEW AND AND COMMUNICATION AND COLLABORATION AMONG THEMSELVES AND AND WITH THE CITIES. THE OTHER BENEFIT TO THIS PROJECT IS IT'S GIVEN US KIND OF A MORE UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO BE AT THE TABLE KIND OF FROM THE START TO THE END WITH WITH THE AGENCIES WHEREAS IN THE PAST WE WOULD HIRE A CONSULTANT WE WOULD DO OUR WORK, WE'D SUBMIT IT FOR REVIEW, THEY'D REVIEW IT OR SUBMIT IT FOR APPROVAL, THEY'D REVIEW IT KIND OF THERE'S SOME BACK AND FORTH. THIS IS KIND OF ALL HAPPENING IN REAL TIME. SO IT'S IT'S IT'S REALLY UNIQUE AND AS I MENTIONED TYPICALLY IN THE PAST WE WOULD HIRE A CONSULTANT. WE WOULD DO THE MODELING, WE WOULD WRITE THE PLAN AND SUBMIT IT. YOU DIANA WOULD DO THE SAME EDEN PRAIRIE WOULD DO THE SAME METROPOLITAN COUNCIL AND DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH BOTH WERE SUCCESSFUL IN OBTAINING SOME FUNDING TO DO THIS PILOT PROJECT. SO THIS IS THIS IS JUST COSTING THIS IS OUR PARTICIPATION TO TO ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO WE NEED TO DO IT ANYWAYS. SO THE VISION OF THIS PILOT PROJECT IS TO WORK COLLABORATIVE REALLY COLLABORATIVELY WITH SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES ULTIMATELY TO PROTECT OUR SOURCE WATERS IN A MORE CONSISTENT FASHION AND THEY COMMUNITIES THAT ARE WORKING UNDER THIS PILOT PROJECT RIGHT NOW ARE LISTED AT THAT BOTTOM BULLET. THEY'RE OUR NEIGHBORS AS WELL AS AS WELL AS A FEW OTHERS. WE HAVE SOMETHING HERE. I'LL SWITCH IT OVER OR I LEAVE OFF. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. SO THE THE THE BIG DELIVERABLE OR OR THE THE MEAT OF THIS PART ONE PLAN IS IS KIND OF WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU. THIS IS THE THE WEST METRO MULTI COMMUNITY WELL THEIR PROTECTION VULNERABILITY AREAS SO THIS IS FOR THE ENTIRE PILOT AREA BUT IF YOU LOOK AT KIND OF THAT BOTTOM RIGHT CIRCLE THAT'S THAT'S THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON WHAT WE SAW THE UPDATED VULNERABILITY IS ON THE LEFT OF THE PREVIOUS VULNERABILITIES ON THE RIGHT OUR VULNERABILITY CHANGED A LITTLE BIT AND WENT AND WENT DOWN THERE A NUMBER OF FACTORS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THAT. BUT IF YOU LOOK KIND OF MORE NORTHERLY THROUGH THIS AREA THERE ARE SOME INCREASING VULNERABILITIES AND SO VULNERABLE VULNERABILITY IS BASED ENTIRELY WELL NOT ENTIRE. IT'S BASED ON PREDOMINANTLY GEOLOGY BUT THERE ARE OTHER WATER AGING METRICS THAT THE MODEL USES TO TO UNDERSTAND BASICALLY ITS TIME OF TRAVEL HOW FAST SOMETHING ON THE SURFACE GETS DOWN TO GETS DOWN TO THE AQUIFER. AND SO ALL OF THAT'S ALSO DEPENDENT ON YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY OUR OWN PUMPING BUT AS YOU CAN SEE THE CHANGES IN THE VULNERABILITY FROM WHAT WE HAD BEFORE TO WHAT WE HAVE NOW THAT NOW TAKES INTO ACCOUNT DINAH'S PUMPING IN PRAIRIE'S PUMPING RICH FIELDS PUMPING AND SO THAT THAT CHANGES THOSE FLOW CHARACTERISTICS AND SO THIS IS THIS IS WHAT OUR WHAT THE THE NEW THE NEWLY PROVEN ABILITY LOOKS LIKE. SO AS I MENTIONED PART ONE OF THE PLAN INCLUDES THE DELINEATION OF THESE PROTECTION AREAS DRINKING WATER SUPPLY MANAGEMENT AREAS AND THE VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENTS FOR FOR THE THE THE PARTICIPANT THE PARTICIPANT WELLS AND AQUIFERS THE I MENTIONED THE FUNDING METROPOLITAN COUNCIL AND DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH WORKING TOGETHER TO PROVIDE FUNDING FOR THIS WORK. PART ONE HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR NOW IS FOR THE CITY TO TO ADOPT THAT PART ONE THAT WOULD BRING US THAT THEN TO PART TWO AND KIND OF THE SECOND PART OF OF THE OF THE ASK TONIGHT AUTHORIZING STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PLANNING OF THAT PART TO PROCESS AND THAT'S WHERE WE DETERMINE GOALS OBJECTIVES MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES THAT WILL BE SPECIFIC TO BLOOMINGTON WILL WILL DEVELOP THESE AS PART OF THE PILOT PROJECT WITH WITH INPUT FROM FROM THE OTHER SEVEN COMMUNITIES AS WELL AS THE AGENCIES. BUT WHAT WE SPECIFICALLY IMPLEMENT WILL BE WILL BE SPECIFIC TO BLOOMINGTON SO THE PROCESS WILL BE WILL BE THE SAME BUT EACH CITY WILL IMPLEMENT THIS PART TWO SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTLY DUE TO THE THE NATURE PILOT NATURE OF THIS PROJECT. THE THE COMPLETIONS ARE NOT TOTALLY DEFINED BUT EXPECT ROUGHLY A YEAR FROM NOW WE SHOULD HAVE PART TO COMPLETE SO THE REQUESTED ACTION TONIGHT IS TO FORMALLY ADOPT PART ONE OF THE WEST METRO MULTI COMMUNITY WATER PROTECTION PLAN AND THEN DIRECT STAFF TO CONTINUE THAT WELL HAD PLANNING PROCESS AND IMPLEMENTATION WITH THE WITH THE MULTI COMMUNITY PROJECT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND AGAIN AND IT GOES HERE AS WELL IF NEED BE THANK YOU AND THANKS FOR THE INFORMATION AND FIRST OF ALL CONGRATULATIONS DO FISMA IS ONE I HADN'T HEARD BEFORE SO THAT'S GOOD IS AN ACRONYM I HADN'T HEARD BEFORE THE QUESTION I HAD THIS IS I LOVE THIS IDEA. THIS IS OBVIOUSLY AN IMPORTANT IDEA ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING WATER RESOURCES AS THEY ARE TODAY. AND AND YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT THE DENSITY OF THE METROPOLITAN AREA AND THE THE AQUIFER IS DON'T KNOW CITY BOUNDARIES. WHAT WAS THE WHAT WAS THE GENESIS OF THIS IDEA? >> WHO BROUGHT THIS FORWARD? I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE. I THINK YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE HAS BEEN SOME DISCUSSION BETWEEN DEPARTMENT HEALTH AND THAT COUNCIL BUT I KNOW A COUPLE OF THE CITIES AND IN THE WEST METRO STARTED I MEAN WE'VE EDINA FOR EXAMPLE ON OUR LAST ITERATION COMMENTED SPECIFICALLY THAT JUST LIKE OUR TOURISM AS ANY DINER THERE WISMA IS IN BLOOMINGTON AND SAID HEY, WHAT ABOUT THAT? HOW DO WE ADDRESS THIS? AND SO I THINK IN BETWEEN THOSE ITERATIONS CITIES HAVE BEEN TALKING THERE'S A LOT OF PLANNING EFFORTS GOING ON IN THE METROPOLITAN AREA. WATER SUPPLY ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND THEIR TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAVE PLANNING DISCUSSIONS CONSTANTLY ON WATER QUALITY AND QUANTITY FOR THE METRO AREA AND SO I THINK IT'S JUST IT'S IT'S REALLY WHEN YOU WHEN YOU DO THESE A FEW TIMES AND YOU SEE THE MODELING EFFORT THAT GOES IN AND YOU UNDERSTAND AND YOU SEE HOW THOSE THOSE AREAS EXTEND BEYOND BOUNDARIES I THINK IT BECAME A NATURAL TALKING POINT OF HOW DO WE DO THIS A LITTLE MORE EFFICIENTLY IN A MORE COLLABORATIVE NATURE AND SO IT JUST LITTLE PACKETS OF DISCUSSIONS CAME ABOUT AND AND AGAIN I YOU KNOW HOW IT FORMALLY BECAME A PROPOSAL NOT ENTIRELY SURE BUT I WAS EXCITED TO TO TAKE PART IN IT ABSOLUTELY. AND WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THE PLAN IN THESE OTHER CITIES IN TERMS OF HAVE THEY APPROVED IT HAS IT HAVE THEY BEEN APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCILS? >> YES. MAYOR BUSSEY COUNCIL MEMBERS ALL OF THE OTHER CITIES ARE BRINGING THIS PLAN TO THEIR COUNCILS THIS MONTH. OKAY. SO ALL OF THEM WILL BE APPROVED BY THE END OF THE MONTH. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. COUNCIL QUESTIONS COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS AND THEN COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO. COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS I THINK I READ IT CONTEMPORARY LIKE CAN YOU REMEMBER THE MICROPHONE PLEASE? THANK YOU. FORGET IT'S SORRY. YEAH. SOMETIMES NOT QUITE. I'LL JUST IN REGARDS TO THE THE CONTINGENCY PLAN THAT THE CITY HAS IN THE EVENT THAT THE AQUIFERS ARE YOU KNOW I KNOW I'M AWARE FROM WHAT I WAS READING THAT MOST OF THEM ARE DOWN THEY LEVELS ARE DOWN BECAUSE OF IT LATE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THE USAGE HAS INCREASED TREMENDOUSLY RIGHT. SO WHAT DOES THE CITY HAVE A CONTINGENCY PLAN ON WHAT WHAT RESOURCES TO USE IN THE EVENT THAT THE AQUIFER IS NO LONGER VIABLE? MAYOR ROSSI COUNCIL MEMBER RIVAS WE'VE BEEN MONITORING WELL LEVELS IN BLOOMINGTON. THE LEVELS IN BLOOMINGTON WELLS ARE NOT DOWN. IF ANYTHING I AND I HAVEN'T I DIDN'T BRING THAT WITH ME TONIGHT BUT LOOKING AT THIS THIS FALL WE HAVE NOT NOTICED DECLINES IN IN OUR WELLS. HOWEVER, OUR CONTINGENCY PLANNING, YOU KNOW HAS AS YOU KNOW WE HAVE WE'RE DUAL SOURCE SYSTEM AND PURCHASED WATER FOR FINISHED WATER FROM THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS THAT CONTRACT ALLOWS FOR WE AND WE PURCHASE A DAILY MINIMUM WITH THE POTENTIAL TO PURCHASE UP TO 20 MILLION GALLONS A DAY WHICH WITH THE EXCEPTION OF YOU KNOW KIND OF THE MIDDLE OF SUMMER WITHOUT ANY RAIN, YOU KNOW, THAT OUR CONTINGENCY PLAN INCLUDES ADDITIONAL PURCHASES FROM THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS. WE ALSO HAVE A NUMBER OF OF RESPONSES INCLUDED IN OUR WATER SUPPLY PLAN CONSISTENT WITH THE STATE'S DROUGHT MANAGEMENT PLAN. SO YOU COULD MOVE INTO THINGS LIKE YOU KNOW, EVEN WATERING RESTRICTIONS ON NON-ESSENTIAL USES, ALL TYPES OF THINGS THAT THAT COULD BE USED TO ADDRESS THE SITUATION THAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO ADDRESS A WATER SUPPLY ISSUE. BUT OUR OUR PRIMARY CONTINGENCY IS THAT CONNECTION WITH THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS. RIGHT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. ALWAYS NICE TO SEE YOU. SCOTT REFERENCING THE THE VULNERABILITY MAPS THAT YOU GAVE THAT YOU SHOWED US EARLIER. I WAS CURIOUS IT'S SEEMS LIKE THERE HAVE BEEN SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE VULNERABILITY AREAS IN MULTIPLE PLACES IN AND AROUND IT. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER IS OUR BUBBLE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT NICE YELLOW BUBBLE IN THE MIDDLE WHICH IS WHY THIS PLAN SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE TO ME. I'M CURIOUS DO YOU DO YOU KNOW IF THE OTHER AREAS AROUND LIKE WHAT THEIR MITIGATION STRATEGIES WERE AND IF THEY ENTERED INTO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS TO AFFECT THE THE VULNERABILITY PROTECTIONS COUNCIL OF RESERVE? OKAY. OKAY. THE HENNEPIN COUNTY GEOLOGIC ATLAS WAS UPDATED WITHIN BETWEEN THE PREVIOUS PLAN AND THIS PLAN AND THROUGH THAT PROCESS THE MINNESOTA GEOLOGIC SURVEY WENT OUT AND DID A TON OF DATA GATHERING. WE ANALYZED A BUNCH OF THINGS AND WHAT THEY HAVE KIND OF FIGURED OUT IS THEY'VE REFINED THE MAP FROM 1986. A LOT HAS CHANGED SINCE 1986 NOT ON GEOLOGY BUT IN TERMS OF HOW WE PROCESS THE INFORMATION AND HOW WE CAN SHARE IT. AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING SUCH SIGNIFICANT CHANGES HERE. I SEE. SO IT ISN'T SO MUCH THAT PEOPLE DID THINGS TO TO MANAGE THE VULNERABILITIES IN THOSE AREAS AND GOT IT TO A BETTER SPOT. IT'S MORE SO THAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO REFINE THE DATA AND THINGS ARE JUST NOT AS THEY NOT AS THEY'RE MORE PRECISE AND THEREFORE NOT AS DIRE AS THEY WERE IN THOSE AREAS. THIS IS MORE PRECISE AND THE VULNERABILITY IS JUST THE INHERENT GEOLOGY IN THE AREA. THERE'S VERY LITTLE THAT A COMMUNITY COULD DO TO CHANGE THE VULNERABILITY. WE SOMETIMES WILL FIND CHEMICAL INDICATORS THAT SHOW THAT MAYBE THE WELL NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT A LITTLE BIT CLOSER. BUT WE DEFINITELY DIDN'T SEE THAT IN BLOOMINGTON. AND SO AT THIS POINT THE VULNERABILITY IS REALLY STRICTLY JUST THE GEOLOGY. FASCINATING. YEAH. I'M FASCINATED BY THE THE MASSIVE CHANGE IN COLOR FOR SOMETHING THAT IS YOU KNOW, AT THE IRON LEVEL OF CHANGE. OKAY SO SO THERE'S NO THERE'S SO LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION THEN. DO WE THINK THAT THE PROTECTION PLAN WOULD CHANGE THIS MAP IN ANY WAY OR ARE WE JUST SAYING THAT THIS MAP AT A GEOLOGICAL LEVEL IS WHY WE NEED TO PUT THIS PLAN IN PLACE ? I THINK MAYOR BETSY COUNCILMAN I THINK IF I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION CORRECTLY, THIS MAP IS WHAT WILL BUILD THE PROTECTION PLAN OFF OF THE PROTECTION PLAN WON'T CHANGE THIS MAP. RIGHT. OKAY. SO WE DON'T GET BETTER VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT IN THIS PLAN BY DOING WHAT WE'RE IN THIS MAP BY DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING, WE'RE JUST SAYING THAT IT SEEMS AS THOUGH WE'RE IN A RIFE POSITION, A RIGHT POSITION TO LIKE MAKE SOME CHANGES BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS VULNERABILITY, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. IT'S UNCLEAR ON HOW THE MAP WORKS NOW. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANKS, MR. MAYOR. COUNCIL ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS . ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. I KNOW WE HAVE WE HAVE TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION THE LAST CALL FOR COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS COUNCIL OTHERWISE OR I LOOK FOR ACTION ON ITEM 4.1. HAPPY TO MAKE IT IF YOU WOULD. COUNCILMEMBER ALESSANDRA THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I AM MOVING TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION TO ADOPT THE WEST METRO MULTI COMMUNITY WELLHEAD PROTECTION PLAN PART ONE SECOND MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER DALLESSANDRO SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION ADOPTING THE WEST METRO MULTI COMMUNITY WELLHEAD PROTECTION PLAN PART ONE AND WITH THE COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS IN MR. MAYOR THE SECOND PART OF THIS IS JUST THE DIRECTION TO STAFF RATES SO THERE'S NO SECOND RESOLUTION ON ON THE PART ABOUT THE PILOT PROJECT OR ANYTHING I KNOW CORRECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND YES, THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. >> ANY FURTHER COUNCIL QUESTIONS ON THIS DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I GUESS MY ONLY QUESTION AFTER WE'VE DONE THIS MR. ANDERSON JUST AN UPDATE AS OTHERS WHEN WILL WE HEAR BACK FROM YOU ON THIS AGAIN? ANYTIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE 612 MONTHS? MAYOR ROSSI SURE. WE I THINK WILL I GUESS IT WILL KIND OF DEPEND ON HOW FAST WE GET A DRAFT PART TO OUT BUT CAN CERTAINLY MAKE THAT AVAILABLE IN ANY YOU KNOW TYPE OF FORMAT THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THERE WILL BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR FOR COMMENT AND THINGS AS THAT PROGRESSES TOO SO WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT IN SOME SOME FORMAT THAT THAT YOU'RE KEPT UP TO DATE ON THAT DEVELOPMENT. PERFECT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. THANKS FOR JOINING US AND STICKING IT OUT WITH US TONIGHT. APPRECIATE IT. AND TO OUR ORGANIZATIONAL BUSINESS COUNCIL, OUR STUDY ITEM TONIGHT I'M 5.1 IS A PROGRESS REPORT ON THE SOUTH LOOP DISTRICT PLAN UPDATE MR. RAMMER ALSO FROM OUR PLANNING STAFF IS WITH US. GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME. GOOD EVENING MAYOR MEMBERS AND CITY COUNCIL IS GOING TO TEST THIS OUT. THERE YOU GO. IT WORKS. I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR. I DON'T WANT TO SPOIL ANYTHING. YEAH. SO THIS IS A PROGRESS REPORT ON THE SOUTH LOOP DISTRICT PLAN UPDATE IF YOU RECALL CAME BEFORE YOU LAST OCTOBER END OF OCTOBER AND SHOWED YOU WHAT HAD BEEN DONE FROM JULY UP UNTIL THAT POINT AND BEEN WORKING ON IT SINCE OCTOBER. WE MET WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT COMMISSIONS AND DURING THAT MONTH DO THE FIRST ROUND OF STUDY SESSIONS AND ALSO HIT ONE IN DECEMBER. SO THIS IS MERELY AN UPDATE TO SHOW YOU WHAT WE'VE DONE. YOU'LL SEE WITHIN THE EXHIBITS BEFORE YOU THAT'S PART OF THE WORK THAT WE'VE THAT WE'VE COMPLETED SO FAR THAT WILL TEE UP THE WORK TO BE DONE EVEN AFTER THIS MEETING. SO THE AGENDA TONIGHT IS JUST TO PROVIDE A BRIEF INTRO TO THE SOUTH DISTRICT PLAN AND ALSO THE UPDATE PROCESS. THEN WE'LL BE LOOKING AT FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT FROM THAT FOR THOSE FIRST ROUNDS, THAT FIRST ROUND OF STUDY SESSIONS BACK IN OCTOBER AND THEN ONE MEETING THAT OCCURRED IN DECEMBER. THEN WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THE PROPOSAL OUTLINE THAT WE'VE DRAFTED THAT WILL GUIDE THE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE UPDATE AND WE'RE EAGER TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT PROPOSED OUTLINE IF YOU'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE IT WILL BRIEFLY GO OVER THE NEXT STEP SO WON'T TAKE ANY TIME AND THEN STAFF HAS PREPARED SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THAT WILL HELP US AS WE'RE DRAFTING THE UPDATE. SO YOU KNOW DEFINITELY EAGER TO GET YOUR RESPONSES TO THOSE QUESTIONS. SO THE SOUTH DISTRICT PLAN UPDATE THIS IS AN UPDATE TO THE 2012 DOCUMENT. IT'S PART OF THE 2024 2025 WORK PLANS PLANNING COMMISSION WORK PLAN SORRY AND AS MENTIONED IN THE PREVIOUS STUDY SESSION THIS IS NOT A REWRITE. THIS IS JUST AN UPDATE. SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR STRATEGIC UPDATES. WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO DO A FULL REWRITE AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO BE STRATEGIC AND MAKING SURE THAT THE DOCUMENT IS UPDATED TO REFLECT CURRENT CONDITIONS AND CITY PRIORITIES AND IT WILL ALSO INCLUDE AN EVALUATION OF THAT THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED WITH THE 2012 DISTRICT PLAN. WE'RE GOING TO BE MOVING COMPLETED PROJECTS AND YOU KNOW EVEN THOSE THAT ARE NO LONGER BEING CONSIDERED AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO IDENTIFY SOME NEWER PROJECTS AND PROPOSALS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER AS WE DEVELOP THE DRAFT. THIS IS THE VISION IN GOALS OF THE ORIGINAL PLAN. I BRING THIS TO YOU JUST TO EMPHASIZE A CERTAIN PORTION THAT YOU'LL SEE WITHIN THE VISION AND THAT'S TO TRANSFORM THE SOUTH THROUGH FROM A DISPARATE DISPERSED SUBURBAN COMMERCIAL AREA INTO A WALKABLE URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD THAT APPEARED TO BE THE GUIDE BEHIND THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS. SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO CHANGE THAT. WE DIDN'T WANT TO CHANGE THE GOALS AS WELL. SO THAT'S ALL BEING MAINTAINED AND THE CONTENT OF THE UPDATE WILL REFLECT THAT HOPEFULLY THAT YOU'LL SEE. SO GETTING TO THOSE 2024 STUDY SESSIONS BACK IN OCTOBER AND ONE IN DECEMBER WE MET I MET AS I MENTIONED BEFORE MET WITH A LOT OF GROUPS IN ADDITION TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL SHOULD HAVE SAID PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL. WE ALSO MET WITH CREATIVE PLACEMAKING SUSTAINABILITY PORT AUTHORITY AND PARKS. THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT FROM THOSE MEETINGS CAN BE SUMMARIZED UNDER THE FOLLOWING THEMES PARKS AND OPEN SPACE WERE A TOP PRIORITY. WE NOTICED THAT YOU ALL WERE VERY EAGER TO SEE TRAILS TRAIL CONNECTIONS AND MORE OPEN SPACE BEING DEVELOPED IN THE SOUTH LOOP AND YOU ALSO NOTICED THAT SOME OF THE ACCESS TO THOSE RESOURCES ARE NOT EQUAL, EQUITABLY DISTRIBUTED AMONGST SOUTH RESIDENTS. SO THE MORE THOSE COME ONLINE THE MORE OBVIOUSLY FOLKS WILL HAVE ACCESS. WALKABILITY IS STILL AN IMPORTANT GOAL FOR THE SOUTH SO WE'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN THAT AND THAT'S KIND OF AND THAT'S ALSO GUIDING SOME OF THE UPDATES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. AND BECAUSE OF THAT, YOU KNOW THE DEVELOPMENT SHOULD REFLECT THAT GOAL OF WALKABILITY. SO AGAIN TAILORING DEVELOPMENT SO THAT IT SUPPORTS WALKABILITY AS A GOAL FOR THE DISTRICT MORE DESTINATIONS OUTSIDE OF THE MALL OF AMERICA AND AS YOU NOTED MOST OF THE ENTERTAINMENT AND RETAIL AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT GETS PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR HOMES IS IN THE MALL OF AMERICA. IT'S LACKING OUTSIDE. SO YOU KNOW HOW TO ENCOURAGE THE ESTABLISHED ESTABLISHMENT OF MORE OF THOSE DESTINATIONS. IT'S KIND OF GOES HAND IN HAND I THINK WITH THE PREVIOUS SENTIMENT OF MAINTAINING WALKABILITY. WALKABILITY WILL SUPPORT THE THE THOSE THOSE ESTABLISHMENTS AND THOSE ESTABLISHMENT POINTS SHOULD BE DESIGNED IN SUCH A WAY THAT THEY SUPPORT WALKABILITY. DISTRICT ENERGY WAS STILL SEEN AS AN IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION FOR THE DISTRICT AND SO THAT SHOULD BE REEVALUATED. YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE PROPOSED OUTLINE AND I CAN TALK ABOUT IT IN A LITTLE BIT STRENGTHENING CONNECTION BETWEEN BLOOMINGTON CENTRAL STATION IN THE MALL OF AMERICA THOSE ARE KIND OF FORMING TWO POINTS ALONG AN EAST WEST ACCESS. AND THEN THERE'S LINDA LANE BETWEEN THOSE AND SO HOW DO YOU STRENGTHEN THAT? WHAT SORT OF AMENITIES DO YOU ESTABLISH ON LINDEN LANE TO TO STRENGTHEN THAT CONNECTION AND GET PEOPLE FROM THE MALL TO TRAVEL EAST AND THEN PEOPLE FROM BXP TO TRAVEL WEST? I MEAN THEY'RE PROBABLY ALREADY GOING TO THE MALL BUT NONETHELESS THERE'S MAYBE OPPORTUNITIES TO STRENGTHEN THAT CONNECTION SO THAT THEY LINGER A LITTLE BIT MORE AND LINDA LANE WITH THAT FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT WE DEVELOPED THE FOLLOWING OUTLINE AND THAT'S EXHIBIT A, IT'S TEN BIGGER CATEGORIES TEN BULLET POINTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ARRANGING THE CONTENT AROUND. THE FIRST ONE IS CREATIVE PLACEMAKING UPDATES. THAT WAS A GROUP THAT WASN'T AROUND DURING THE ORIGINAL 2012 SOUTH OF DISTRICT PLAN AND SO WE WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE AND THE INVESTMENTS MADE TO BOLSTER CREATIVE PLACEMAKING IN THE SOUTH LOOP EVEN THOUGH NOW IT'S CITYWIDE BUT NONETHELESS THEIR THEIR FOOTPRINT FOOTPRINT IS DEFINITELY VISIBLE WITHIN THE SOUTH LOOP BUILDING STANDARDS . WE WANT TO ADDRESS THAT. THERE WAS A IT WAS MENTIONED IN THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT TO HAVE A SUSTAINABLE BUILDING STANDARDS FOR DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE SOUTH THERE. BUT YOU KNOW STATE STATUTE LIMITS US TO WHAT'S ONLY ALLOWED WITHIN THE BUILDING CODE OR REQUIRED BY A BUILDING CORE. WE CAN'T PUSH ANY ANYTHING BEYOND THAT. BUT NONETHELESS IF THERE IS SOME YOU KNOW, IN COORDINATION WITH THOSE PROJECTS THAT RECEIVE PUBLIC SUBSIDY, WE CAN START REQUIRING A GREATER EXPECTATION FOR SUSTAINABLE STANDARDS WITHIN DEVELOPMENT ENERGY UPDATES AGAIN REFERRING BACK TO DISTRICT ENERGY AND EXPLORING THAT POSSIBILITY WITHIN THE SOUTH LOOP MEASURING SUSTAINABILITY JUST REMOVING AN OUTDATED WAY THAT IT WAS SUSTAINABILITY WAS MEASURED ORIGINALLY IN THE 2012 PLAN. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW IT DOESN'T CONFUSE THIS UPDATE ECOLOGICAL LAND STEWARDSHIP THAT'S REFERRING TO THE AREAS ALONG THE BLUFF MAKING SURE THAT ANY DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE BLUFF IS MAINTAINING THE INTEGRITY OF THAT BLUFF AND STAFF IS COMMITTING TO EVALUATING THE THE BLUFF STANDARDS AND IN COORDINATION WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS SEEING WHAT SORT OF THINGS CAN BE DONE TO STRENGTHEN THE BLUFF PROTECTION OVERLAY DISTRICT IF THAT'S NECESSARY LOOKING AT DEVELOPMENT AND LAND USE WITHIN THE WITHIN THE SOUTH LOOP A LOT HAS CHANGED OVER THE PAST 13 YEARS SO WE WANT TO UPDATE THAT AND CLARIFY ANY DEVELOPMENT GOALS AND GUIDANCE BY AREA WITHIN THE SOUTH LOOP . SO THAT'S IMPORTANT TO TAKE STOCK OF THAT AND TO RECOGNIZE THE MARKET HAS CHANGED AND DOES LAND USE AND ZONING NEED TO CHANGE IN ORDER TO ACCOMMATE THE MARKET? I'M HAPPY TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT AND THEN A NEW PART AND UPDATED PARKS AND OPEN SPACE FRAMEWORK. YOU SEE THAT IN EXHIBIT B THIS IS AN UPDATE TO THE ORIGINAL MAP THAT WAS IN THE 2012 PLAN. THERE IS ELEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN REMOVED AND SOME THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED AND HAPPY TO TAKE YOUR FEEDBACK ON THIS PARTICULAR EXHIBIT BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE GUIDING THAT PORTION OF THE UPDATE RELATED TO PARKS AND OPEN SPACE TRANSPORTATION UPDATES ARE ALSO GOING TO BE INCLUDED AS PART OF THE UPDATE PREPARED AN EXHIBIT SHOWING PROPOSED MULTIMODAL PROJECTS. SOME OF THESE ARE PROGRAMED INTO THE 2027 CAPP CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. OTHERS ARE FURTHER OUT. BUT NONETHELESS YOU KNOW THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO BE PROPOSED AS THOSE SCOPES ARE DEVELOPED EACH EACH FUTURE YEAR. SO AGAIN IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE AND MOVING ON TO STREETSCAPES PLAZAS OTHER PUBLIC SPACES STAFF HAD OBSERVED THAT SOME OF THE OPEN SPACES WITHIN THE SOUTH LOOP HAVE NOT I DON'T KNOW PERFORMED ACCORDING TO THE STANDARDS THAT THE CITY HAD ORIGINALLY SET OUT WHEN HAVING YOU KNOW WHEN HAVING WHEN DEVELOPING THESE OPEN SPACES ALONG WITH THE MATURATION OF THE SOUTH OF DISTRICT PLAN. SO WE WANT TO ADDRESS THAT WITHIN THE UPDATE TO IN WATER RESOURCES CLARIFYING WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AS DEVELOPMENT COMES ONLINE. THERE'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION AMONG STAFF AND SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT HAVE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IN SOUTH AVE AND WE JUST WANT TO CLARIFY TO RELIEVE READERS OF THAT CONFUSION ENGAGEMENT WE HAVE A LET'S TALK BLOOMINGTON PAGE THAT ACTS AS A REPOSITORY AND A WAY TO ENGAGE FOLKS ON THE THE PLANNING PROCESS AND TO ACT AS A REPOSITORY FOR TRAINING MATERIALS AS THEY ARE PRODUCED . WE'VE BEEN KEEPING IN CONTACT WITH KEY STAKEHOLDERS WITHIN THE SOUTH LOOP SO THEY'RE KEPT ABREAST OF THE PROGRESS OF E PLAN AND WE'RE ALSO KEEPING THAT COMMUNICATION LINE OPEN SO THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE FEEDBACK AND WE CAN CONSIDER THAT AS WE'RE DRAFTING THE DOCUMENT. ON FEBRUARY 20TH WE HELD A STUDY SESSION WITH PLANNING COMMISSION. THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, A PRETTY ROBUST DISCUSSION. IT WAS A TWO HOUR MEETING SO THERE WAS A LOT TO TAKE AWAY FROM IT THEY SEEMED OR THE RESULT WAS THAT THEY SEEMED SPLIT BETWEEN FAVORING FLEXIBILITY OF THE DISTRICT THAT'S THE HIGH DESERT HIGH DENSITY MIXED USE DISTRICT WITH A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT AND AND SO THAT RESIDENTIAL IS REQUIRED AS PART OF HSR BUT THEY SOME COMMISSIONERS EXPRESSED WANTING TO REQUIRE A NONRESIDENTIAL COMPONENT AMONGST DEVELOPMENT TO YOU KNOW HOAS OR TO PROVIDE SPACE SO THAT SERVICES THAT ARE NEEDED FOR RESIDENTS AS THEY COME INTO THE SOUTH OF DISTRICT TO TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE USES THAT ARE NECESSARY FOR RESIDENTS THEY WE HAD A QUESTION AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IN A LITTLE BIT RELATING TO BUILDING FORM IF WE SHOULD REQUIRE A BUILDING HEIGHT IN ADDITION TO FLOOR AREA RATIO THE WHAT WE GOT FROM PLANNING COMMISSION IS THAT THEY DID SETTLE ON A MINIMUM REQUIREMENT IN ADDITION TO A FAIR THEY PROPOSED 60FT THAT WAS JUST A PROPOSAL AND THEY KIND OF CAME TO THAT BY I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE THE FIVE OVER ONE DEVELOPMENT MODEL THAT YOU SEE AMONGST MULTI FAMILY RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS. THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE A CONCRETE PODIUM AND YOU HAVE FIVE FLOORS OF STICK FRAME DEVELOPMENT ABOVE THAT. SO SIX FOR SIX STORIES ASSUMING TEN STORY 4 OR 10 FOOT PER STORY AND THEREFORE 60FT MINIMUM HEIGHT FOR ALL DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE MORE TO SAY ON THAT IF YOU'D LIKE BUT YEAH WE'LL ADDRESS THAT IN A LITTLE BIT. THEY AGREED WITH STAFF'S OBSERVATION ABOUT THE GATEWAY AND OPEN SPACE TREATMENTS AT 24TH AND LINDHOUT. I WAS REFERRING TO THAT BEFORE ABOUT OPEN SPACES AND HOW THEY HAVE IN PERFORMED AS EXPECTED OR AS WELL AS YOU KNOW THIS OR AS IS INTENDED FOR THOSE OPEN SPACES SO 24TH AND LINDO THE THE NORTHEAST AND SOUTHEAST CORNER IS INDICATIVE OF THAT KIND OF LACKING FOR OPEN SPACES AND YOU KNOW THEY WANT IT THEY AGREE TO US THAT ANY DESIGN FOR NEW GATEWAY OPEN SPACES MOST LIKELY THAT WOULD OCCUR AT 34TH AND AMERICAN BOULEVARD THAT BE DONE IN COORDINATION WITH CREATIVE PLACEMAKING AND PARKS AND RECREATION STAFF THERE WAS AN OBSERVATION ABOUT TRAIL CONNECTIONS IN THE SOUTH OF DISTRICT THERE'S STILL SOME TRAILHEADS THAT HAVE YET TO BE CONSTRUCTED ALTHOUGH THOSE ARE COMING UP PRETTY SOON THEY'RE THERE. CONSTRUCTION IS COMING UP SOON . THEY NOTICED THAT THERE WAS A LACK OF TRAIL CONNECTIONS BETWEEN HAWK BACK POND AND THERE WAS A TRAIL TO THE NORTHEAST HERE. MAYBE I MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO GO BACK TO THAT MAP. SO ANYWAYS YOU'LL SEE HOG BACK POND IN THE SOUTH PART OF THAT GRAPHIC AND THEN IF YOU PROCEED NORTHEAST THERE'S ANOTHER TRAIL PROPOSED TRAIL SEGMENT. IT'S SAYS PROGRAM FOR 2027 ANYWAYS THERE WAS A CONNECTION BETWEEN THOSE TWO POINTS BUT THAT HAS SINCE BEEN REMOVED. I CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IF YOU LIKE BUT THEY DID LAMENT THAT THAT CONNECTION THAT TRAIL SEGMENT WAS REMOVED FROM WITH THIS UPDATED PARK AND OPEN SPACE FRAMEWORK MAP AND THEY ALSO NOTICED THAT THERE'S NO CONNECTIONS PROPOSED TO EVEN THOUGH FORTUNATELY PARK IS RIGHT NEARBY. WHY DOESN'T THE TRAILS SYSTEM IN THE MINNESOTA MINNESOTA RIVER VALLEY WHY DON'T THEY CONNECT TO THAT FORT SNELLING PARK AGAIN WE HAVE A RESPONSE TO THAT AND WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK ABOUT THAT IF YOU'D LIKE . BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY NOTED WELL HERE I HAVE IT IN A BULLET THAT AIR FORCE THEY OWN PROPERTY THAT WOULD HOUSE THAT CONNECTION BETWEEN OUR TRAIL SYSTEM IN THAT IN FORT SNELLING PARK AND THEY MOST LIKELY WOULD NOT WANT A PUBLIC TRAIL ON THEIR PROPERTY. SO THAT KIND OF COMPLICATES ESTABLISHING THAT CONNECTION. THEY NOTICED THAT THE RUNWAY PROTECTION ZONE IS KIND OF JUST SITTING THERE NOT REALLY DOING MUCH EXCEPT GROWING VEGETATION AND NOT TREES BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE TREES IN THE RUNWAY PROTECTION ZONE AND SO IS THERE A POSSIBILITY TO REPURPOSE OR THEY WONDERED IF THERE IS A POSSIBILITY TO REPURPOSE THAT PARK OR THAT OPEN SPACE TO A PARK USED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, YOU KNOW, PLANNING ACTIVITIES, TAKING OFF LANDINGS. IT'S A REALLY NICE VIEWING AREA TO TO SEE THAT KIND OF ACTIVITY. I DID SPEAK TO AN AIRPORT PLANNER FROM MAC AND THEY NOTED THAT THAT THE ZONING ORDINANCE THEIR THEIR ZONING ORDINANCE WOULD PROHIBIT PROHIBIT ASSEMBLY USES IN THAT RUNWAY PROTECTION ZONE AND SO THEREFORE THAT WOULD RULE OUT ANY SORT OF USE FOR VIEWING PLANE ACTIVITIES YOU'D HAVE TO TAKE DOWN THE FENCE. YOU'D HAVE TO THERE'S A LOT THAT COMES WITH THAT AND THEY JUST THEY THEY IT WOULD BE PROHIBITED FURTHER ZONING ORDINANCE FOR EACH FOOD TRUCK ZONE WAS ALSO DISCUSSED CREATING A SPACE FOR FOOD TRUCKS TO GATHER AND WORKING OR AND BEING BETTER TO PROMOTE THE FOOD TRUCKS IN THE SOUTH LOOP DISTRICT AND THAT CAN CERTAINLY BE DONE IN COORDINATION WITH THE PORT AUTHORITY. THEY HAVE A LOT OF PROGRAMING GEARED TO SMALL BUSINESSES SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WORK WITH THEM ON. ONE COMMISSION COMMISSIONER NOTED THE LACK OF A SIDEWALK ON THE WEST SIDE OF 34TH NORTH OF AMERICAN BOULEVARD. A LOT OF PEOPLE OR RESIDENTS WILL GO NORTH OUT OF THE SOUTH OF DISTRICT TO ACCESS THE ONLY PLACE WHERE THEY CAN GET FOOD NEARBY AND THAT'S AT A GAS STATION SO THAT IT'S HARD TO ACCESS THAT GAS STATION IF THE'S NO SIDEWALK INFRASTRUCTURE ALLOWING THEM TO DO SO. AND THEN ANOTHER COMMISSIONER JUST ANECDOTALLY NOTED THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE'S NO THERE'S THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF FAST CASUAL RESTAURANTS. I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S ANY BUT THEY WOULD LIKE MORE ACCORDING TO THEM AND THE CONVERSATIONS THEY'VE HAD WITH OTHER RESIDENTS. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY WANTED TO MAKE NOTE OF NEXT STEPS WE'RE GOING TO BE TAKING FEEDBACK FROM THIS MEETING WITH YOU ALL AND THEN WE'LL START DRAFTING THE UPDATE AND THEN WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION AT PUBLIC HEARINGS AT THE END OF OR IN MAY AND APRIL AND MAY RESPECTIVELY. SO THAT MOVES ON NOW WE CAN LOOK AT THE QUESTIONS THAT STAFF HAVE HAS PREPARED FOR YOU ALL TO CONSIDER. THE FIRST ONE BEING SHOULD THE CITY PROACTIVELY RE GUIDE AND REZONE OFFICE PROPERTIES PLANNED FOR OFFICE USES TO BE MORE FLEXIBLE REGARDING LAND USE ESPECIALLY IN AREAS WHERE RESIDENTIAL USES ARE ALLOWED? THIS IS GETTING AT JUST THE THE THE STRUGGLES OF OFFICE PROPERTIES AND YOU KNOW WANTING TO PROVIDE PROPERTY OWNERS THE FLEXIBILITY TO SET UP STABLISH USES ON THOSE PROPERTIES SO THAT ARE MORE ECONOMICALLY VIABLE THAN JUST SITTING ON EMPTY OFFICE PROPERTY. SO THAT'S KIND OF SETTING THAT UP. WE HAVE OUR OWN RECOMMENDATION BELOW THAT. YOU KNOW WE WE'RE IN FAVOR STAFF IS IN FAVOR OF ADOPTING A PROACTIVE APPROACH REGARDING REZONING OFFICE PROPERTIES FOR THAT FLEXIBILITY AND WE THINK THERE WILL BE POSITIVE DEVELOPMENT OUTCOMES THAT COME FROM AFFORDING THAT FLEXIBILITY WITH DEVELOPMENT AND WE'LL BE PRIORITIZING THE REGARDING REZONING OF OF SITES THAT RESIDENTIAL OR SITES WHERE RESIDENTIAL USES ARE ALLOWED AND THAT'S OUTSIDE THE AIRPORT SAFETY ZONES. I CAN PULL UP ON THAT MAP IF YOU WANT TO SEE WHERE THAT IS BUT YEAH SO HAPPY TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK TO THAT QUESTION. WELL THANK YOU COUNCIL THOUGHTS ON THIS I THINK I THINK THE STAFF RESPONSES IS THE CORRECT ONE. I THINK DOING THIS PROACTIVELY AND REGARDING REZONING MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. IT LEADS TO OUTCOMES THAT WERE I THINK MORE IN FAVOR OF AND YES OBVIOUSLY PRIORITIZING THE SITES THAT ARE NOT IN THE AIRPORT SAFETY ZONE SO TO MAKE IT A LOT EASIER TO DO TO BUILD IF IT'S NOT IN AN AIRPORT SAFETY ZONE. OTHER THOUGHTS ON THIS COUNCIL COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN THAT COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS COUNCILMEMBER LOGAN YOU KNOW, I GUESS AS LONG AS IT'S PART OF ITS OFFICE I MEAN I KNOW THAT THERE IS IN SOME OF THIS AREA THERE'S SOME I.T. TYPE STUFF AND THAT I MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION ABOUT THAT. BUT IF WE'RE TALKING OFFICE YEAH, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. I THINK THAT TOTALLY YEAH. OKAY I PLAYED COUNCILMEMBER REVISE YEAH JUST AND UP ON THE BUILDING HEIGHT I HAVE A COMMENT ON THAT YOUR SUGGESTION 60FT WHICH IS SIX STORIES RIGHT ONE CONCRETE AND FIVE WOOD OR WHATEVER FRAME TO USE THERE I THAT SHOULD BE LEFT TO THE BUILDER. I DON'T THINK THE CITY SHOULD HAVE MUCH TO SAY ON THAT BECAUSE I GUESS IT MAKES IT HARDER FOR SOME DEVELOPERS TO YOU KNOW IF THEY COME UP WITH THEIR OWN CREATION MAYBE LOWER BUT MORE EXPANSION AND I MEAN IT'S A VERY NICE AREA THERE. IT'S IS IS NICE TO WALK WHERE THERE IS NOTHING TO WALK FOR AND I COME THAT COMES TO THE ABILITY TO HAVE RESTAURANTS I WOULDN'T WANT FAST FOOD IN THAT AREA A LITTLE BIT YOU KNOW SOMETHING NICER JUST MY OPINION. YEAH BUT ANYWAY I THINK THE HEIGHT SHOULD BE LEFT TO REMEMBER COUNCIL MEMBER AND I'M JUST I'M CHEATING AND JUMPING AHEAD BECAUSE THIS IS OUR NEXT SLIDE IS THAT VERY QUESTION NOW THE VERY QUICK THE VERY QUESTION ABOUT MINIMUM HEIGHT I THINK IS MENTIONED OUT ALREADY THAT'S WHAT I WAS YEAH YEAH I BUT I THINK TO TRY AND ANSWER IT IF WE GO TO SLIDES AT A TIME GET THROUGH THIS QUESTION AND THEN WE GET TO THE NEXT QUESTION ABOUT MINIMUM HEIGHT BECAUSE I'M SURE OTHERS ARE THINKING OF THAT AS WELL. IF I JUST IF YOU COULD JUST HOLD THAT THOUGHT FOR ONE SECOND. YEAH. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCIL ON THE THE PROACTIVE REGARDING AND REZONING OF OFFICE PROPERTIES COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO I GUESS MR. MAY THE ONLY QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS AND I SAY THIS BECAUSE OF WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO IN THE PAST IS YOU KNOW PROACTIVE ANYTHING TO ME IMPLIES THAT IT WILL HAVE SOME KIND OF OUTCOME AND AND WE WE DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW WHAT THE OUTCOME IS. AND SO I GUESS THE QUESTION THAT I WOULD ASK IS IS IT VALUABLE TO SPEND TIME AND ENERGY ON SOMETHING UNLESS WE'RE SURE OF IT IS KIND OF THE THEME OF THE NIGHT. IN FACT I KIND OF HEARD THAT BUT BUT LET ME SET ANOTHER WAY WHAT WHAT WOULD WE PICK IS KIND OF THE QUESTION LIKE LIKE WE COULD PICK WRONG WE COULD PICK WE COULD GO FROM YOU KNOW, THIS TO THAT AND IT STILL NOT BE RIGHT. I MEAN I GUESS THE POINT I'M MAKING IS WHY DO WE THINK WE KNOW WHAT IT SHOULD BE REZONE TO RIGHT NOW AND I'M NOT ASKING THAT QUESTION BECAUSE I I'M OF HUBRIS OR ANYTHING. I'M JUST SAYING LIKE WHAT MAKES US THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO PICK RIGHT IF WE DO THIS FLEXIBLE REZONING. I APPRECIATE YOUR QUESTION COUNCILMEMBER, BUT I THINK YOU'RE YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT WRONG. OKAY. I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARILY PICKING RIGHT IT'S GUIDING WHAT WE THINK IS RIGHT. IT'S MOVING IN IN THAT DIRECTION NOW IT'S REGARDING REZONING NOW WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE RIGHT, WHETHER OR NOT IT ENDS UP THAT WAY BECAUSE WE ADD THIS FLEXIBILITY IN THERE, IT PERHAPS DOESN'T BUT AT LEAST THEN WE AT LEAST PUSH IT IN THE DIRECTION WE'RE PUSHING IT IN THE DIRECTION THAT WE SEE IS THE APPROPRIATE DIRECTION TO GO. >> SO WHAT WOULD THAT BE THOUGH I GUESS IS MY QUESTION? >> WELL, AND IT'S PART OF THE CONVERSATION I THINK THE WE'RE NOT THERE. WE'RE NOT TO THAT POINT YET BUT WE THINK THAT WE KNOW THAT WHAT WE HAVE NOW ISN'T WORKING . AT LEAST WE KNOW THAT MUCH. I THINK FOR THE MORE WHAT WE HAVE AS AN OFFICE USES RIGHT NOW WHAT THE PUSH IS WOULD BE TO WORK TOWARD SOMETHING MORE FLEXIBLE, MORE OPPORTUNITIES, MORE POSSIBILITIES. RIGHT NOW IT'S OFFICE OFFICE AND WE'RE TRYING TO PUSH IT TO SOMETHING THAT WILL GIVE US MORE FLEXIBILITY. IS THAT IS THAT LET ME ASK IT A DIFFERENT WAY. MAYBE WHAT WHAT OPTIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY AVAILABLE TO US WOULD WE BE CONSIDERING? SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF THIS IS I'M NOT GOING TO GET THE ZONES RIGHT SO APOLOGIES. I'M GOING TO USE THIS FOR ILLUSTRATIVE PURPOSES ONLY IF THEY'RE ALL C-4. WHAT DO WE THINKING WE'RE GOING TO DO LIKE WE WANT TO BE WE WANT TO BE IN THE R THREE SPACE THEN WHICH IS LIKE THE MULTI-USE RESIDENTIAL. WE WANT TO THROW IN SOME LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IN THERE. I MEAN WHAT ARE WE DOING? I GUESS IS WHAT I'M HOPING TO UNDERSTAND AND I THINK THAT'S CURRENTLY WHAT WE HAVE THE SELF LOOP DISTRICT PLAN WE HAVE WE HAVE DIFFERENT AREAS DESIGNATED WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT WAS ADOPTED 12 YEARS AGO AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG TOWN I SAID I'M OFF BASE HERE. THE ORIGINAL DISTRICT PLAN BASICALLY ENVISIONED WHAT IT COULD BE AND WHAT THIS IS ENCOURAGING IS TO REGARD OR REZONE THAT WE WOULD PUSH IT IN THAT DIRECTION. >> OKAY. I GUESS FAIR ENOUGH. SO YOU'RE SAYING 12 YEARS AGO WE THOUGHT IT WOULD ALL BE OFFICE AND NOW WE'RE SAYING NOPE AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT AGAIN. DID THEY COME TO US? DID THEY COME TO COUNCIL AT THAT TIME BACK THEN AND ASK US TO TELL THEM TO REZONE IT OR CAN THEY JUST MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION? I GUESS I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY I WOULD KNOW BETTER WHAT THE DIRECTION SHOULD BE AT THIS POINT. I THINK IT WAS ON THAT TO BEGIN WITH TO BE HONEST. I SEE. YEAH. OKAY. WELL I AM AGNOSTIC ON THIS BECAUSE I'M NOT THE EXPERT I GUESS IS WHERE MY HEAD'S AT. RIGHT? SO WHATEVER YOU ALL THINK IS GOOD IS GOOD FOR ME. BUT I TO ME THAT THIS DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THE KIND OF THING I NEED TO DIRECT THEM ON BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE RECOMMENDING IS WHEN PEOPLE COME WITH OPPORTUNITIES ANYWAY AND I FEEL LIKE I'VE MADE MORE THAN ONE DECISION UP HERE AT COUNCIL TO REZONE STUFF BECAUSE SOMEBODY WOULD NEEDED IT DONE REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT WAS THERE OR NOT. SO FOR EXAMPLE WE JUST DID THAT IN THE IN THE PAN AMERICAN DISTRICT WHEN WE GAVE KIYA THE ABILITY TO BUILD THEIR EXPERT THE EXTRA THING EVEN THOUGH I DIDN'T VOTE FOR THAT BECAUSE I DIDN'T LIKE IT WE DID THAT IN ON AMERICAN BOULEVARD WITH THE TOYOTA FOLKS AS WELL WHEN WE REZONE THAT RIGHT SO I GUESS OKAY I GUESS I'M SAYING I'M AGNOSTIC ON THIS BUT IT FEELS TO ME LIKE A QUESTION WE DON'T NEED TO ANSWER AT THE MOMENT BECAUSE IF PLANNING COMES TO US WITH A REZONING REQUEST BECAUSE SOMEBODY COMES TO US WITH A DEVELOPMENT ITEM ANYWAY THEY'RE GOING TO PITCH IT TO US AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THE DECISION. SO I'M FINE IF WE WANT TO DIRECT STAFF TO DO IT. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE RESOURCES MAYBE COULD BE DONE DOING SOMETHING ELSE AS A PRIORITY I GUESS IS WHAT I'M SAYING. I'M MAYBE I'M BEING OBTUSE AND I APOLOGIZE IF I AM COUNCILMEMBER AND AND COUNCILMEMBER REVISE COUNCILMEMBER THEME HERE. I THINK THAT THE WAY I'M SAYING IT IS THE WAY IT'S ZONED RIGHT NOW. NO ONE'S GOING TO COME TO US IF WE DON'T SAY IT'S A POSSIBILITY. RIGHT. WE JUST THEY WILL COME TO US LIKE IF IT'S SOMETHING THEY REALLY WANT TO DO. BUT BY AND LARGE FOR THE MOST PART I THINK THE DEVELOPERS AND THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THESE PROPERTIES RIGHT NOW DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE IT. THEY DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE IT BUT IF IT OPENS UP THEN IT CREATES A CONVERSATION THAT PUSHES IT IN THE DIRECTION THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE. SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW I'M SEEING IT AS A PRICE THAT FLEXIBILITY STARTS THOSE CONVERSATIONS THAT WOULDN'T BE STARTED OTHERWISE IF WE DIDN'T DO IT. SO THAT'S WHERE I DO THINK THIS IS A GOOD WAY FOR US TO PUSH THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE DIRECTION WE WANT TO SEE. COUNCILMEMBER REVISING I, I JUST SEE IT AS A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO OPEN UP THE PLACE TO BE MORE ON IN LINE WITH THE PLANS THAT THE COUNCIL HAS HAD THAT I HAVEN'T BEEN PART OF IT MAKING IT A MORE WALKABLE AREA GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO PEOPLE THAT HAVE OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT ARE PROBABLY NOT FULL TO THE LIMIT OR ALMOST EMPTY TO HAVE THE THE ABILITY TO PERHAPS CONVERT THAT BUILDING INTO SOMETHING MORE RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL LIKE RESTAURANTS OR A LITTLE SHOPPING AREAS. I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S WHAT I PICTURE THAT PLACE AS A MORGUE AND I HATE TO COMPARE OTHER CITIES BUT I THERE'S ONE CITY THAT I DO ENJOY GOING A LOT IS MAPLE GROVE THE WAY THEY HAVE THAT WHOLE AREA THERE USED TO BE THE GRAVEL PITS YEARS AGO. IT'S AMAZING TO GO THERE. YOU'LL FIND EVERYTHING YOU WANT AND THAT'S HOW A PICTURE THIS OUTLOOK MYSELF SO I THINK THIS ACTUALLY OPENS UP TO SO MANY AREAS THAT ARE JUST STRICTLY FOR OFFICE I ASSUME TO GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO REPURPOSE EXISTING BUILDINGS OR JUST STARING DOWN AND BUILD SOMETHING MORE VIABLE FOR THEM THAT BRINGS THE PLACE TO MORE AND MORE TO WHAT THE COUNCIL HAD IN MIND BACK THEN WHEN THE WHEN HE FIRST CAME UP. I MEAN IT'S THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY IN THE PLACE I LIKE I SAID I I'VE BEEN GOING TO WALK THROUGH BECAUSE HE'S NICE TO WALK IN THAT AREA JUST TO EXERCISE AND IT'S VERY NICE AND AS I WALK AROUND I LOOK SEE I KNOW THAT THERE IS NO SUPERMARKET YET IN THERE AGAINST YOU KNOW THAT'S ANOTHER THING THEY I THINK WHY SHOULD BE ONE BUT I THINK IT'S A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE THERE TO DEVELOP A PLACE EVEN MORE MORE HOUSING WILL BRING MORE HOUSING WILL GIVE BUSINESSES THE OPPORTUNITY TO DRIVE IN THERE NOT THE TYPE OF BUSINESS EXISTING IN THERE LIKE THE AT THE TECHNOLOGY OR OFFICES BUT I MEAN RESTAURANTS, COFFEE SHOPS I MEAN YOU KNOW THAT COFFEE SHOP THAT ARE REGIONALLY WAS THERE I REMEMBER I WENT THERE ONCE IS NO LONGER THERE. IT HAS A DIFFERENT NAME NOW AND I WALKED BY TO A SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA I KNOW I'M IT'S JUST MY OPINION BUT OTHER THOUGHTS COUNCIL LET'S REMEMBER MOMENT YOU KNOW IN BRIEF I THINK IT'S A GOOD QUESTION THAT COUNCIL IS RAISED BECAUSE IF WE LOOK AT YOU KNOW WHAT IT MEANS TO HAVE THIS DISTRICT THERE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WHAT WOULD BE THE ALTERNATIVE, RIGHT? SO IF I THINK ABOUT THE NORTH LOOP YOU HAVE A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL SPACES THERE AND A LOT OF COMMERCE THAT'S GOING ON THERE. AND SO I JUST THINK THAT THAT'S I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT AND I THINK IF IF YOU KNOW, WE AS POLICYMAKERS ARE LOOKING AT THAT AND OBVIOUSLY THINGS DON'T TURN OUT THE WAY YOU WANT I THINK ABOUT THE YOU KNOW PEN IN AMERICAN YOU KNOW THAT WAS NOT WHAT I THOUGHT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THAT AT ALL IN TERMS OF YOU KNOW BUT WE AS A AS A BODY GOT A CHANCE TO KIND OF MAP THAT OUT AND PAINT THAT OUT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE WANTED TO SEE THAT LOOK LIKE. AND I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT WE'RE HAVING THIS OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION. SO I GUESS WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THESE QUESTIONS FEEL LIMITING ,YOU KNOW, IN THAT REGARD IF YOU'RE SOMEBODY WHO IS JUST KIND OF TUNING INTO THIS, YOU KNOW, 12 YEARS LATER TO KIND OF HAVE THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF OKAY, WELL YEAH, WE GOT A CHANCE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS PART OF IT BUT WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT? AND SO I MEAN IT COULD CERTAINLY FEEL THAT WAY AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS. I MEAN I WASN'T AROUND WHEN THE YOU KNOW, THE FIRST TIME AND BE I KNOW SURE. MAYOR WERE YOU AROUND FOR THIS SO SO I MEAN SO YOU MAY BE LOOKING AT THIS IN A DIFFERENT WAY WHEN I WAS YOU KNOW I GOT A CHANCE TO WORK ON THE PEN AN AMERICAN THING. SO THAT CHANGED THE WAY I LOOK AT THIS. BUT I LOOK AT THIS KIND OF THE SAME WAY. I'M LIKE YOU KNOW WHY? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT ELSE WOULD I RECOMMEND, RIGHT? SO I MEAN IT'S GOT TO BE THAT OR I MEAN WHAT ELSE WOULD FIT INTO THERE? SO I THAT'S KIND OF THE I MEAN I THINK IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. YEAH. WHY WHY ARE WE SPENDING THE TIME HAVING THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS UNLESS IT'S GOING TO LEAD TO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, MUCH BIGGER IN SCOPE. SO I JUST DON'T WANT COUNCILMEMBERS TO TAKE ON OTHER THOUGHTS AS WE ARE TRYING TO MOVE THINGS ALONG HERE JUST A BY THE GENERAL YOU KNOW GIVE ME ONE WINK OR A THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN OR TWO TO TRY AND PROVIDE MORE FLEXIBILITY. I OKAY AND I THINK WE'RE I THINK WE'RE IN FAVOR OF THE STAFF RESPONSE OR RECOMMENDATION RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS ALL RIGHT. OKAY. SO THE NEXT QUESTION COUNCIL MEMBER DEVICES IS GETTING TO THE POINT THAT YOU WERE MAKING PREVIOUSLY SO I'M HAPPY TO TAKE THAT FEEDBACK IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING MORE TO SAY ABOUT IT BUT DON'T REMEMBER REVISE. OH OH, I'M SORRY I WAS GOING TO RETURN OR ELSE SORRY SORRY ABOUT THAT, ABHI REPLIED APOLOGIES. YEAH. SO SHOULD THE CITY ADOPT A MINIMUM STRUCTURE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS IN PORTIONS OR ALL THE SOUTH OF DISTRICT OR SHOULD THE CITY JUST RELY PURELY ON FLOOR AREA RATIO AGAIN THAT KIND OF DO DICTATES THE VOLUME AND THE SIZE OF THE IT'S JUST ONE WAY TO CONTROL THE SIZE OF DEVELOPMENT BUT THEN ADDING THIS OTHER COMPONENT OF OF HEIGHT ADDS AN ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT TO THAT DEVELOPMENT STAFF HAS OUR RESPONSE BELOW WE DON'T THINK STRUCTURE HEIGHT IS NECESSARY IN ADDITION TO THE F R THAT IS REQUIRED FOR THE VARIOUS ZONING DISTRICTS IN THE SOUTH LOOP. THIS WILL GIVE DEVELOPERS FLEXIBILITY FOR YOU KNOW HOW BEST TO CONSTRUCT THEIR BUILDING WHILE MEETING THE FA AND THE OTHER GOALS OF THE SOUTH DISTRICT. SO WE'RE NOT IN FAVOR OF A MINIMUM MINIMUM HEIGHT. WE PREPARED THIS THIS TABLE EXAMINING RECENT DEVELOPMENTS YOU'LL SEE UNITS IN ONE COLUMN STRUCTURE HEIGHT BY STOREY AND THEN THE DENSITY OF OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS AND THEN THE FLOOR AREA RATIO THAT CAME FROM THOSE AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THAT REFLECTIONS WHICH IS ARGUABLY I MEAN THAT IS THE THAT'S THE TALLEST DEVELOPMENT IN SOUTH LOOP THAT ACTUALLY HAS A LOWER RESIDENTIAL DENSITY THAN SOME OF THE FIVE OVER ONES THAT WE'VE SEEN COME AFTER IT. AND SO THE IMPOSING HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS ON IN ADDITION TO AIR DOESN'T NECESSARILY YIELD THE DENSITY THAT IS IS A GOAL IN THE SOUTH LOOP DISTRICT PLAN. SO JUST WANT TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION OF COURSE WE'RE YOU KNOW THERE'S A LOT TO BE SAID ABOUT REFLECTIONS AND THAT IT'S A IT'S VERY ICONIC FOR THAT AREA AND SO IT CERTAINLY HAS ITS POSITIVES. BUT IN TERMS OF JUST ALLOWING DEVELOPMENT BE FLEXIBLE AND IN LINE WITH WHAT THE MARKET SAYS AT THE TIME HAVING THAT OR THAT ABILITY TO ADJUST DEVELOPMENT AND NOT BE REQUIRED TO ACHIEVE A CERTAIN HEIGHT IS BETTER FOR DEVELOPED OR IS IN OUR LINE BETTER FOR IMPLEMENTING THE SOUTH OF DISTRICT PLAN. SO I'LL JUST GO BACK TO THE QUESTION AND I'M HAPPY TO GET YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT COUNCILMEMBER REALIZE I MEAN I'M JUST IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE WE SHOULDN'T BE IMPOSING HEIGHT REGULATIONS ON IT IN I THINK IT WILL MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR A DEVELOPER TO GO IN AND MAKE THE INVESTMENT IF THEY HAVE RESTRICTIONS ON HEIGHT LIKE YOU SAID, EVEN THOUGH THAT BUILDING IS BEAUTIFUL, YOU KNOW IT'S THE ONLY ONE OF THAT NATURE THERE IS STILL THE OTHER BUILDINGS MANAGED TO HAVE MORE DENSITY THEN IT THEN DON'T WANT ITSELF ON THERE BUT 11 FLOORS LOWER RIGHT? YES 17 AND THE REST AT SIX AN AVERAGE. YEAH. SO I AGREE WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY RESTRICTIONS ON HEIGHT IF MAYOR AND IF I MAY BE FAIR TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION BECAUSE YOU KNOW THIS IS OUR ARGUMENT THIS IS STAFF'S ARGUMENT ABOUT WHY WE WE OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THE WAY IT IS. THEY ALSO NOTED THAT OR SOME COMMISSION MEMBERS JUST NOTED THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE UNIQUE OPPORTUNITIES IN THE SOUTH LOOP AND SO DO YOU WAIT FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU FEEL ACHIEVES THE VISION OF THE SOUTH OR IS IT WORTH THE WAIT BECAUSE IT'S YOU KNOW, THESE ARE VERY RARE OPPORTUNITIES TO ACHIEVE THE DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU'RE THAT THE SOUTH OF DISTRICT PLAN IS IN VISIONING. AND SO IF I MAY SO I SHOULD PROBABLY PROVIDE THEIR ARGUMENT OR FOR SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL COMMISSIONERS ARGUMENTS FOR WHY THEY PREFERRED A HEIGHT REQUIREMENT BECAUSE THE THE TALLER HEIGHTS IN THEIR OPINION WE'RE WE'RE YOU KNOW ARCHITECTURAL EXPRESSIONS THAT WERE UNIQUE IN THE METROPOLITAN AREA. YOU KNOW AGAIN REFLECTIONS BEING A UNIQUE ARCHITECTURE THAT YOU WOULD SEE IN THE METROPOLITAN AREA ACCORDING TO THEM. SO JUST WANT TO GIVE THEIR PERSPECTIVE AS WELL AS THAT MIGHT INFORM THE DISCUSSION SO COUNCILMEMBER THEME HERE AND THANK YOU FOR THAT MR. SANDLER BECAUSE I WOULD TEND TO AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK YES, BY AND LARGE LIKE I WANT THE MARKET TO DICTATE IT. BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA WITH WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, I WANT TO SEE TALLER HEIGHTS. I DON'T WANT TO DROP DOWN BASED ON THE DESCRIPTION THAT WE HAVE OF WHAT THIS AREA IS SUPPOSED TO BE IN URBAN WALKABLE AREA WHERE PEOPLE CAN CAN LIVE AND DO BUSINESS AND DO COMMERCE LIKE THAT TO ME REQUIRES HEIGHT AND WITHOUT HAVING THAT REQUIREMENT IN THERE RIGHT KIND OF ALLOWS DEVELOPERS TO GO SMALLER TO MOVE AWAY FROM THE VISION THAT WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO ESTABLISH HERE. SO I WOULD TEND TO AGREE WITH THOSE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS THAT HEIGHT SHOULD BE SOMETHING WE SHOULD CONSIDER AND HAVE PART OF THIS IN ADDITION TO THE AIR SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO KEEP THAT CONTINUITY IN THE WHOLE AREA WHICH IS EXTREMELY DIFFERENT FROM THE REST OF BLOOMINGTON. THE REST OF BLOOMINGTON DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THIS THAT AND IT FEELS LIKE WHEN YOU'RE IN THE AREA THAT IT IS DIFFERENT. IT'S A CITY WITHIN THE CITY ALMOST AND I THINK HAVING THAT HEIGHT RATIO ALLOWS US TO DO THAT. THE THOUGHTS COUNCIL. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON YEAH. THANK YOU MAYOR. JUST TWO THINGS QUICK TO POINT OUT I THINK ALL OF THOSE WOULD HAVE MET THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS. THEY WERE ALL SIX STOREYS SO THEY ALL WOULD HAVE MET AT LEAST WHAT WAS PROPOSED BY THEM. SO IT WOULDN'T HAVE CHANGED ANY OF THAT. I PERSONALLY WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE HEIGHT FRANKLY I THINK THERE ARE FACTORS OUTSIDE OF THE CONTROL OF THIS COUNCIL THAT DRIVE THAT MY UNDERSTANDING OR REFLECTIONS IS IT'S OWNER OCCUPIED. I'M ASSUMING THAT IT HAS LARGER UNITS THAN THE OTHER ONES WHICH IS HELPING WITH THE DENSITY SO IT ISN'T JUST THE HEIGHT BUT IT HAS TO DO WITH THAT AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S OWNER OCCUPIED BASED ON THE MATERIALS THAT THEY USED WHICH THEN THEY HAD TO USE THOSE MATERIALS THEY HAD TO BUILD LARGER UNITS THAT THEY COULD SELL AT A HIGHER PRICE POINT TO RECOUP THOSE COSTS. IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO BUILD YOU YOU KNOW, SMALL STUDIO OWNER OCCUPIED SITUATION BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT FINANCIALLY YOU GOT TO HAVE THOSE TO GET THE MONEY. SOMEONE'S GOT TO BUY A PENTHOUSE. YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TO HAVE SOME NICE UNITS IN THERE AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS SO I THINK THE REASON FOR THOSE DIFFERENCES HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR RULES IN MY OPINION. AND SO I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED TO ADD MORE RULES TO THE HEIGHT. I THINK WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO DO WHAT WE'RE DOING IN TERMS OF LEGISLATION AND ADVOCATING FOR RULE CHANGES THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF CONDOS BECAUSE I GUARANTEE IF WE COULD GET THAT DONE SOMEONE'S GOING TO BUILD A TALLER BUILDING WITH CONDOS IN IT IN BLOOMINGTON THERE'S PROPERTY FOR IT AND IF WE COULD DO THAT THAT WOULD BE IN MY MIND ONE OF THE HIGHEST AND BEST THINGS WE COULD DO FOR THAT SOUTH LOOP DISTRICT IS ADD MORE OWNER OCCUPIED, ADD MORE INVESTMENT AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO DRIVE A LOT OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT'S GOING TO DRIVE A GROCERY STORE THAT'S GOING TO DRIVE ALL THE RETAIL AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO JUST I THINK THOSE TWO THINGS THANK YOU MUCH. I WOULD TEND TO AGREE I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE HEIGHT BUT IF IT MADE SENSE FOR INDIGO TO BE SEVEN STOREYS IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SEVEN STOREYS IF IT MADE SENSE FOR THOSE TO BE TEN STOREYS THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN DENSER. IS IT MADE SENSE FOR THEM TO BE SIX STOREYS AND I DON'T THINK THAT ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO IS NECESSARILY GOING TO CHANGE THAT. SO I DON'T THINK A MINIMUM HEIGHT REQUIREMENT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE HERE MYSELF. THAT'S MY FINAL I'LL GO TO THAT. YEAH. MAYOR, IF I MAY. SO A KIND OF SUPPORTING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WE HAVE MET WITH DEVELOPERS AND THEY HAVE EXPRESSED THAT ACHIEVING THAT MINIMUM HEIGHT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT ESPECIALLY IN TODAY'S MARKET BUT ALSO TO IMPOSE THAT EVEN IN OTHER YOU KNOW, EVEN BETTER MARKETS IT MIGHT BE REALLY DIFFICULT TO IMPOSE THAT HEIGHT REQUIREMENT AND SO THE AIR GIVES THEM THAT ABILITY TO ACHIEVE TALLER HEIGHTS ENOUGH MASSING ON A SITE TO PROVIDE THE UNIT DENSITY THAT WE'RE EXPECTING IN THE SOUTH LOOP DISTRICT. SO I JUST WANTED TO SO THAT IN THERE AS WELL AS THAT WE HAVE YOU KNOW, REACHED OUT TO RESPECTIVE AUTHORITIES AND YOU KNOW THAT HAVE OPERATED IN THE BLOOMINGTON MARKET AND THAT'S THE OPINION THEY PROVIDED AND WE THOUGHT THAT WAS WORTH CONSIDERING IN OUR RECOMMENDATION AND I THINK WE'RE IN AGREEMENT THEN RIGHT COUNSEL RIGHT. ONWARD. RIGHT. OKAY. SO THE LAST FINAL QUESTION ALTHOUGH WE YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL OPENING OR I WANT TO OPEN IT UP TO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS IF YOU HAVE ANY. BUT THE FINAL PREPARED QUESTION WE HAVE IS DOES THE CITY COUNCIL WANT TO PROVIDE ANY GUIDANCE FOR PUBLIC SPACES IN THE SOUTH LOOP? THIS IS GETTING OUT AGAIN AS I MENTIONED BEFORE STAFF HAS OBSERVED THE PUBLIC SPACE ARE NOT PUBLIC SPACES I'M SORRY IT'S QUASI PUBLIC SPACE. IT'S VERY OPEN IN THOSE ARE AT THE CORNER THE NORTHEAST AND SOUTHEAST CORNERS OF LINDEN LANE AND 24TH AVENUE. THOSE ARE NOT THE BEST PERFORMING PUBLIC SPACES IN OUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION BECAUSE THEY'RE THEY'RE ADJACENT TO A TEN LANE ROAD A LOT OF NOISE AND OTHER IMPACTS THAT COME FROM THAT THEY DON'T PROVIDE THE MOST SERENE AND ENGAGING EXPERIENCE WHEN YOU'RE WHEN YOU'RE IN THOSE OPEN SPACES AND IT'S VERY HOSTILE IN IN YOU KNOW, THAT'S A WORD I WOULD USE AND THEN THERE'S THESE CHANNELIZED RIGHT TURN LANES THAT ARE FREE RIGHTS AS AS SOMETIMES THEY'RE REFERRED TO WHICH BASICALLY MEANS A CAR CAN MOVE UNIMPEDED THROUGH AN INTERSECTION EVEN THOUGH THERE MIGHT BE A CROSSWALK. IT'S STILL YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL A LOT OF A VOLUME OF TRAFFIC. IT'S REALLY LOUD AND SO THAT DOESN'T REALLY ADD TO THE PLEASANTNESS OF THOSE PUBLIC SPACES. SO WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF PUBLICS OR OPEN SPACES IN THE CITY AND THOSE AND THOSE GATEWAY SPACES THAT YOU WOULD PROBABLY SEE A 24TH WINDOW IF IT WAS DESIGNED MORE APPROPRIATELY. BUT THERE'S OTHER OPPORTUNITIES AT 34TH AND AMERICAN AND SO IF YOU HAVE ANY GUIDANCE FOR THOSE FOR THAT PARTICULAR INTERSECTION BECAUSE THAT WAS IDENTIFIED IN THE SOUTH DISTRICT PLAN AS HOSTING ONE OF THOSE YOU KNOW BEING A GATEWAY FEATURE. BUT WE WANT TO IMPROVE UPON WHAT WAS CREATED AT 24TH AND LINDO. SO IF YOU IF YOU HAVE ANY IF YOU DISAGREE WITH STAFF, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE THAT AS WELL IF YOU ACTUALLY REALLY LIKE THOSE SPACES. BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON HOW WE ARE TO GUIDE THE DEVELOPMENT OF OPEN SPACES IN THE SOUTH LOOP ESPECIALLY THOSE GATEWAY FEATURES, HAPPY TO TAKE THAT FEEDBACK. WELL I WOULD SAY I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE GATEWAY FEATURES BUT WHAT I HAVE HEARD MANY TIMES AND WHAT I'VE SEEN VERY SUCCESSFULLY OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AIRPORT ON 28TH STREET IS A DOG PARK AND DOGS DON'T SEEM TO MIND THE PLAIN NOISE AND THE PEOPLE WALKING THE DOGS DON'T SEEM TO MIND PLAYING NOISE AND I THINK THERE'S NO BETTER COMMUNITY BUILDER THAN WALKING YOUR DOG AND MEETING YOUR NEIGHBORS AND SO THERE HAS GOT TO BE SOME PLACE I THINK WITHIN SOUTH LOOP THAT WE COULD WE COULD WE COULD PUT TOGETHER A DOG PARK THAT COULD SATISFY THE RESIDENTS OVER THERE BECAUSE I KNOW IN THOSE APARTMENT BUILDINGS THERE'S PLENTY OF DOG OWNERS AS WELL. I SEE THEM OUT THERE WALKING THEIR DOGS SO THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION IN TERMS OF PUBLIC SPACES. COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN AND COUNCILMEMBER D'ALESSANDRO. SO JUST YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THIS THIS KIND OF GOING BACK IN THIS I JUST SAY TWO THINGS REALLY QUICKLY. ONE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I LIKED ABOUT THE WORLD'S FAIR IS A CASE THAT AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF LOOK AT THOSE PUBLIC SPACES IN A DIFFERENT WAY AND I REALLY LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW THAT PARK THAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT TRYING TO DO AND I THINK THAT WE MAYBE HAD TO LOOK AT THAT AGAIN. BUT THEN WHAT THAT RAISES AGAIN FOR ME SECONDARILY AND I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO KIND OF REDO THIS PLAN BUT I THINK WE REALLY HAVE A DIFFERENT COUNCIL HERE WITH DIFFERENT PRIORITIES AND WE'VE GOT NEW THINGS THAT ARE COMING OUT. THERE'S SUSTAINABILITY, THERE'S CREATIVE PLACEMAKING. I REALLY THINK WE OUGHT TO JUST KIND OF LOOK AT THIS PLAN AGAIN BECAUSE I JUST THINK THAT IN TERMS OF YOU KNOW IF I THINK ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE NORTH LOOP WE'RE SEEING JUST YOU KNOW, JUST I MEAN IT'S I MEAN IT'S EXCITING. I MEAN THERE'S PLACES TO GO, THERE'S PLACES TO EAT AND THAT KIND OF THING AND THAT'S SORT OF I MEAN I DON'T WANT TO BE EXACTLY THE SAME AS THAT BUT I JUST THINK THAT THIS THIS COUNCIL WOULD PROVIDE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE AND A POINT OF VIEW THAN WHAT YOU KNOW, THESE PAST COUNCILS DID THE CAME HERE I JUST THINK THAT THINGS HAVE CHANGED SO MUCH I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE HAVE A LOOK AT THIS THE SAME THING YOU KNOW IN TERMS OF THE PEN IN AMERICAN I MEAN THE FOLKS THAT WE PUT THAT TOGETHER NOT ON THIS COUNCIL ANYMORE I THINK THE COMMUNITY HAS CHANGED A GREAT DEAL SINCE THEN. SO I JUST THINK THAT THE PRIORITIES AND THE THINGS THAT YOU KNOW, EVEN WHAT YOU JUST RAISE MAYOR ARE THINGS THAT I THINK PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE TO YOU KNOW, GET OUT THE PENCIL AND HAVE ANOTHER ANOTHER LOOK AT THIS THING OVERALL AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT THIS YEAR JUST NO WAY. WE'VE GOT TOO MANY OTHER THINGS GOING ON BUT I DO THINK THAT WOULD BE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER LOOKING AT THESE DISTRICT PLANS ALL TOGETHER GOING TO BE A GOOD IDEA. COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO THANK THANK YOU SIR SO SO A COUPLE OF THINGS THERE I THINK ONE, I'M I THINK I AGREE GENERALLY SPEAKING THAT IMPROVING UPON THE ACCESSIBILITY OF OF THESE SPACES IS REALLY IMPORTANT. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO DO PUBLIC SPACE DEVELOPMENT GETTING TO AND FROM A IT IS REALLY ABOUT IMPORTANT YOU CAN'T REALLY HAVE ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER. SO I'M GLAD THAT THE THE PARKS AND REC FOLKS AND AND CREATIVE PLACEMAKING FOLKS ARE INVOLVED IN THAT. I THINK I THINK I LOVE THE IDEA OF A DOG PARK. I'M I WAS FRANKLY SURPRISED TO HEAR THEM SAY THAT THE RUNWAY APPROACH CAN'T SUPPORT ANYTHING CALLED ASSEMBLY WHEN ON THE NORTH SIDE THEY DO IT ALL THE TIME AND I SO I WOULD PUSH BACK ON THAT IF I WAS YOU AND SAY LIKE I HEAR YOU BUT I'M NOT SURE YOU'RE SAYING WHAT YOU'RE THINK YOU'RE SAYING RIGHT? BECAUSE IF I IF YOU GO TO THAT SIDE RIGHT AND YOU GO TO THAT DOG AREA, IT I MEAN MAYBE ASSEMBLY NEEDS TO BE A COLLECTION OF ENOUGH PEOPLE THAT IT QUALIFIES AS AN ASSEMBLY BUT AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF LIKE 19 PEOPLE IN THERE DOGS QUALIFIES SO THAT MAY BE THE REASON THEY GET AWAY WITH IT I DON'T KNOW. BUT I WOULD JUST TRY TO UNDERSTAND THAT I'VE FORGOTTEN WHAT THEY TOLD US WHEN WE DID THE TOUR RECENTLY ABOUT THAT SPACE. BUT THE BUS DRIVER ON THE TOUR THAT WE WERE ON MENTIONED SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THAT AREA AND HOW HOW SAD PEOPLE WOULD BE IF IT WENT AWAY BECAUSE THEY DEVELOPED IT AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. SO I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE RUNWAY AREA BEING A DOG PARK. I JUST THINK YOU COULD SOLVE FOR IT A MILLION WAYS WITH SMALL EASY THINGS TO MOVE, YOU KNOW WHATEVER. I THINK IT'S JUST THE PERFECT SPOT FOR THAT. I ALSO THINK THAT'S TRUE OF PARK AVENUE ALL THE WAY UP UNDERNEATH THE UTILITY LIGHT LINES BUT THAT'S ANOTHER WHOLE CONVERSATION SO I THINK WHEN WE HAVE THOSE AREAS TURNING THEM INTO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS MAKES A LOT OF SENSE AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO LIKE LOOK AT WAYS AROUND THAT EVEN IF IT'S JUST A PORTION OF IT OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. SO I DEFINITELY LIKE THAT IDEA BUT I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR. I SIT AT THE BACK STORY OF THE COFFEE SHOP AND I WATCH EVERY MORNING AND I WATCH THE DOG PARADE AND IT IS SO MUCH FUN. BUT THEY'RE TAKING THEM OVER TO BLOOMINGTON CENTRAL STATION WHICH IS NOT WHAT WE WANT THEM TO HAVE FOR A DOG EXERCISE AREA. RIGHT. AND SO I THINK THAT I THINK THAT SOLVING FOR THAT WOULD BE GREAT AND I THINK IT IS A FANTASTIC WAY OF ASSEMBLING MUCH LIKE THE COMMUNITY GARDEN IS. BUT THE QUESTION I WOULD ASK IS HOW MANY PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN INDIGO GET ALL THE WAY TO THAT COMMUNITY GARDEN BACK AGAIN ON FOOT? I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAN'T DO IT SAFELY OR SUCCESSFULLY OR THEY DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE. THAT'S A PROBLEM SPACE THAT I THINK WE CAN SOLVE FOR. SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON PUBLIC SPACES. THANKS MR. MAYOR. COUNCILMEMBER THANK YOU, MAYOR. WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC SPACE, THE ONE THING I ABSOLUTELY WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DO IS HAVE A PLAYGROUND. I THINK THE ORIGINAL LIKE THOUGHT OF THE SOUTH LOOP WAS THAT IS GOING TO BE MAINLY YOUNG PROFESSIONALS BUT AS WE FOUND OUT LIKE A LOT OF FAMILIES ARE MOVING THERE AND I DON'T THINK IT HAS TO BE LIKE A TRADITIONAL LIKE GRASS GREEN SPACE PLAYGROUND. IT THAT WE NORMALLY HAVE THROUGHOUT THE CITY I THINK TO FIT THIS IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE AN URBAN PLAYGROUND WHERE WE'RE USING DIFFERENT MATERIALS BUT IT'S STILL A PLAYGROUND THAT SUPPORTS THE CHILDREN OF THE FAMILIES THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA AND IT'S THE ONLY AREA RIGHT NOW THAT DOESN'T HAVE A PLAYGROUND THAT IS ACCESSIBLE AND WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE LIKE THE REST OF BLOOMINGTON. THAT'S RIGHT. THE WHAT'S THE STAT LIKE MOST 90% OF BLOOMINGTON RESIDENTS ARE WITHIN LIKE SIX BLOCKS OF A PARK OR PLAYGROUND AND THAT AREA JUST IS NOT SO THAT'S THE ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE FOR A PUBLIC SPACE IN THE SOUTH LOOP IS WHERE CAN WE PUT A PLAYGROUND THAT MAKES SENSE FOR LOCATION AND THEN BE FITS THE GENERAL FEEL OF THE AREA CREATIVELY TO GIVE THAT THAT SPACE THERE. SO THAT'S THAT'S ONE THING I WOULD DEFINITELY WANT TO SEE. SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE IN AGREEMENT THAT DESIGNING A PARKS BE PUBLIC SPACES ON A SIDE BY SIDE BASIS IN COORDINATION WITH CREATIVE PLACEMAKING IN THE PARKS AND REC STAFF IS PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA. THAT'S A VERY GOOD IDEA. COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS, WE'RE GOING TO JUMP IN TO A QUESTION 28 IS WHAT YOU MENTIONED IS BEHIND A HYATT RIGHT NOW IT'S OVER BY THE METRO BY THE MACK BUILDING. OKAY. YEAH. AND IT'S ALL THE WAY IT'S REALLY A DOG PARK IN THERE. THERE IS YOU HAVE YOU BEEN TO A LATER I KNOW AND IT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WALKING DOGS IN THERE ALL THE TIME. I KNOW I HAVE A QUESTION AND YEAH ON 34 IT'S AN AMERICAN THAT'S A GOOD SPOT RIGHT TO ENFORCE AVENUE IN AMERICA AND THAT INTERSECTION THERE YEAH BUT IS IT LONG DISTANCE FROM WALKING FOR PEOPLE WITH KIDS? IT'S A LONG WAY TO WALK. I MEAN A LOT OF POSSIBILITIES BUT I THINK ARE WE IN AGREEMENT SIDE BY SIDE TO FIGURE IT OUT AND FIND THE BEST FIT USING SOME OF THE FEEDBACK YOU RECEIVED HERE AND FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED THROUGH ALL OF OUR OTHER CHANNELS AS WELL. THAT'S VERY GOOD. THANK YOU, MAYOR. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN JUST WANT TO OPEN IT UP FOR I KNOW IT'S LATE ADDITIONAL ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION IF YOU WANT TO PROVIDE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS THAT THERE WAS A HUGE MENU OF COMMENTS PROVIDED BY PLANNING COMMISSION THAT WERE OUTSIDE THE THE QUESTIONS WE POSED TO THEM. SO THEY STILL HAD A LOT OF FEEDBACK AND I WANT TO OPEN THAT POSSIBILITY TO YOU ALL UNLESS YOU'RE SATISFIED WITH WHAT WE DONE. I HAVE ONE QUESTION BASED ON ONE OF YOUR EARLY SLIDES THAT YOU SHOWED THAT YOU SHOWED THE THE REALIGNMENT OF THE BLUE LINE TO COME NOT ALONG OLD GEOGRAPHY ROAD BUT RATHER TO CUT ACROSS AND I THINK IT'S 24TH OR SO AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK. YOU DON'T HAVE TO FIND IT. OKAY. SORRY BUT I KNOW THAT WAS THE THAT WAS THE THOUGHT ORIGINALLY WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO OPEN UP THE SITE REGARDING EXPO OR IS THAT STILL BEING CONSIDERED AND IT WAS ALSO A THOUGHT WHEN WE WERE TALKING WITH RIVERVIEW CORRIDOR WHICH IS NO LONGER A THING. SO WITH BOTH OF THOSE NO LONGER REALLY IN THE CONVERSATION ARE WE REALLY LOOKING AT SPENDING THE MONEY AND PUTTING THE EFFORT INTO REDESIGNING AND REALIGNING THE BLUE LINE? WELL MAYOR, ACTUALLY THE RIVERVIEW CORRIDOR IS BEING RESURRECTED, YOU KNOW. YES, IT REALLY IS. IT IS DIRECT AND SORT OF NO, I HAVE NOT HEARD THAT. YEAH. SO THAT'S THAT'S STILL IN THE CONVERSATION SOMEHOW THAT WAS A THAT WAS A YEAH I DON'T REMEMBER THE SPECIFIC PARAMETERS OF EXPLORING THAT OPPORTUNITY ALONG AND I THINK WAS 17TH I THINK WAS 78 THE YOU KNOW THE BLOCK NORTH OF ADJACENT LANDS AGAIN JUST SEEING WHAT'S FEASIBLE AND HAVING PUTTING THAT FORWARD AS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER IN ORDER TO OPEN ADJACENT LANDS FOR DEVELOPMENTS AS IT CURRENTLY IS. IT'S JUST IT'S IT'S IT'S HEMMED IN ON LIKE TWO SIDES AND SO DEVELOPMENT IS JUST PRACTICALLY NONEXISTENT UNLESS THE ALIGNMENT OF THE BLUE LINE IS RECONSIDERED TO A DIFFERENT A DIFFERENT LOCATION. SO SO IT IS STILL BEING CONSIDERED PRIMARILY TO TO OPEN UP DEVELOPMENT OF THE OFFICE EXCELLENCE. OKAY. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU, COUNSEL. ANY ADDITIONAL ITEMS TO DISCUSS ON YOUR LISTS? COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO REALLY QUICKLY, MR. MAYOR, JUST TO BE BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE I CAME ACROSS AS AN OBSTINATE OR OBTUSE EARLIER JUST TO BE CLEAR ON MY COMMENT EARLIER ABOUT THE ZONING STUFF, I, I WANT TO I WANT TO JUST BE CLEAR. I WHAT I'M SAYING IS I DON'T NECESSARILY DISAGREE THAT WE SHOULD OPEN UP THE FLEXIBILITY. I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS I'M SURPRISED THAT WE NEED TO GIVE THEM THAT DIRECTION BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO I FEEL LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PLANNING COMMISSION AND PLANNING DEPARTMENTS DO ALL THE TIME AND I WAS SURPRISED TO HEAR THAT WE WERE BEING ASKED WHAT IN MY OPINION IS SUCH AN OBVIOUS QUESTION. THAT'S ALL I AND SO APOLOGIES FOR SOUNDING OBTUSE. IT WASN'T SO MUCH THAT I MISUNDERSTOOD. THE QUESTION IS I WAS KIND OF JUST SURPRISED THAT WE'D BE ASKING IT BECAUSE IT FEELS LIKE REALLY RIGHT WITHIN THE WHEELHOUSE OF THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO DO THAT KIND OF STUFF. AND SO WHY THEY NEEDED OUR PERMISSION WAS THE QUESTION I WAS ASKING. YEAH. SO APOLOGIES FOR THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT AND BUT WHAT I THINK I THINK IT WAS MORE JUST IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS PLAN IN GENERAL IT WAS JUST IN THE CONTEXT OF THE PLAN NOT NECESSARILY WITH THE COUNCIL, WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION BUT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE PLAN. SO IT'S ALL GOOD. THANK YOU. WE GOOD YOU GOT SOME FEEDBACK THAT YOU CAN WORK WITH? YES. MARY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. VERY APPRECIATE IT. HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THEY DON'T ASK YOU . THANK. ITEM 5.2 ON OUR AGENDA COUNCIL IS A RESOLUTION TO UPDATE OUR COUNCIL MEETING PROCEDURES AND I KNOW WE'VE ALL HAD THE OPPORTUNITY OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION WITH WITH STAFF AND WE TALKED ABOUT WAYS THAT WE COULD MAKE OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS MORE EFFICIENT, MORE EFFECTIVE, MORE USER FRIENDLY AND MORE OF A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS. SO WE'VE GOT A RECOMMENDATION BROUGHT FORWARD BY STAFF NOW AND WE WILL SEE WHERE WE END UP. SALZMAN GOOD EVENING. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'M HERE TO PRESENT OUR LAST ITEM FOR THIS EVENING AND AND OUR CITY ATTORNEY WHO WORKED ON THIS I DO WANT TO THANK OUR INTERIM CITY COUNCIL SECRETARY CAITLIN DANIELS LAKE FOR HELPING WITH THIS PROCESS AS WELL. AND SO THE PURPOSE OF TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS TO TAKE SOME ACTION ON THREE RECOMMENDATIONS WE HAVE AND ONE IS TO UM WELL SORRY HERE IS TO UPDATE OUR COUNCIL CALENDAR BASED ON OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TONIGHT AND THEN ALSO OUR MEETING RULES AS WELL AND ALSO OUR LISTENING SESSION GUIDELINES. AND SO I'LL WALK THROUGH KIND OF SOME CONTEXT AND HISTORY OF HOW WE GOT HERE TODAY. SO THIS STARTED IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND AS THE MAYOR MENTIONED, IT WAS REALLY TO MAKE OUR MEETINGS MORE EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE HEARD MANY OF YOU EXPRESSED AS WELL AND ALSO TO IMPROVE THE EXPERIENCE OF OUR RESIDENTS AS WELL. WE WORKED WITH AN ORGANIZATIONAL EFFICIENCY CONSULTANT AND THEY MET WITH EACH ONE OF YOU. THEY DID NOT IDENTIFY YOU BY NAME AT ALL BUT WE COLLECTED YOUR FEEDBACK. WE MET WITH STAFF, WE MET WITH FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING FROM COMMUNITY AND WE HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS ON HOW WE CAN MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS AND ADDRESS SOME OF THE PINCH POINTS, SOME WASTE AND SOME AREAS WHERE WE THINK WOULD MAKE THIS OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS MORE EFFECTIVE AND AS A RESULT WE HAVE PREPARED AMENDMENTS TO OUR CALENDAR RULES AND GUIDELINES TO IMPLEMENT SOME SUGGESTIONS AS WELL. I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT WE DID SOME PEER CITY RESEARCH ON THIS AS WELL AND WE FOUND THAT BLOOMINGTON HAS THE LONGEST CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS. WE COMPARED OUR PURE CITIES IN TERMS OF LENGTH AND TIME OF HOW LONG THE OUR LASTING. WE ALSO ACKNOWLEDGED THAT A LOT OF OUR STAFF HERE ARE HERE LATE AT NIGHT AS WELL AND OFTENTIMES OUR RESIDENTS ARE SITTING HERE FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS OFTEN AT THE 9:00 MARK AS WELL. WE'VE ALREADY DONE SOME CHANGES IN THIS INTERIM PROCESS FOR OUR CATHY ADDING AND I HAVE STARTED WHAT WE CALL AN AGENDA REVIEW PROCESS WITH OUR STAFF WHERE WE DEDICATE TWO HOURS JUST TO REVIEW THE AGENDA TO BE THOUGHTFUL OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE PLACED BEFORE YOU. WE'LL MOVE THINGS IF WE THINK IT'S NOT NECESSARY. WE ENSURE THAT OUR STAFF HAVE TALKED TO ONE ANOTHER AND NOT IN SILOS TO ENSURE THAT LEGAL AND FINANCE HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW IT AND ALSO TO GIVE FEEDBACK TO STAFF. WE ASK QUESTIONS AS IS IS IT A CONTROVERSIAL TOPIC? WHAT ARE SOME ITEMS? WHAT ARE SOME WALK ROUNDS WE MAY NEED TO DO WITH EACH ONE OF YOU TO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS HAVE THE FULL INFORMATION BEFORE YOU AND CATHY AND I MAKE AN INTENTIONALITY TO REACH OUT TO YOU. WE THINK THERE'S SOME HOT TOPICS OR THINGS THAT WE MAY NEED TO HOLD OFF TO DO MORE ENGAGEMENT WITH COMMUNITY AS WELL. WE ALSO NOW AS MENTIONED WE PUBLISHED THE AGENDA ONE DAY EARLIER AND WE HAVE SEEN AN IMPROVEMENT IN EACH ONE OF YOU GUYS ASKING QUESTIONS IN ADVANCE EVEN THAT ONE DAY EARLIER AND PUBLISHING ON A WEDNESDAY VERSUS A THURSDAY GIVES YOU TIME AND I KNOW MANY OF YOU GUYS ARE FULL TIME JOBS AS WELL. YOU GUYS ARE GETTING QUESTIONS TO US EARLIER AND WE'RE ABLE TO WORK WITH STAFF TO RESPOND MORE QUICKLY AND EFFICIENTLY AS WELL. ANOTHER THING WE'VE DONE IS DEVELOPED TEMPLATES FOR A POWERPOINT. IF YOU NOTICE THEY HAVE COMMON TEMPLATES. WE TRY TO KEEP IT TO 12 SLIDES OR LESS. WE GIVE THE GUIDANCE OF BE BRIEF, BE BRIGHT, BE GONE BUT DON'T SACRIFICE THE QUALITY OF THE CONVERSATIONS, THE RICHNESS OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY ASK BUT ALSO THE ITEMS THAT WE MAY NEED TO GET THROUGH AS WELL. SO THOSE ARE JUST THREE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE IN THIS PROCESS ALONE. WE'VE ALSO HEARD FROM YOU THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO VET MORE QUESTIONS IN ADVANCE AND YOU WANT MORE TIME TO REVIEW THE PACKET AND ALSO WE'RE WORKING ON IMPROVING THE COVER LETTER TO ENSURE THAT IT HAS IMPLICATIONS ON EQUITY, ANY IMPACTS ON SUSTAINABILITY AND TO SHOW YOU HOW WE'VE ENGAGED WITH COMMUNITY IN THE PROCESS AS WELL. SO THOSE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON TO PROVIDE A MORE RICHER COVER LETTER SO YOU GUYS CAN OBVIOUSLY I KNOW YOU GUYS READ IN DETAIL BUT SOMETIMES READING THE COVER LETTER HELPS TO MAKE SURE WE'VE ADDRESSED THOSE ISSUES AND ALSO BUDGET IMPLICATIONS AND LOOKING AT PAST ACTIONS AND HISTORY AS WELL. OFTENTIMES THAT GETS LOST. SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE HISTORY OF THE WHY. AND AS A RESULT WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT WE MOVE OUR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS TO THREE TIMES A MONTH. MARCH IS UNIQUE IN THAT WE ALREADY HAVE THREE REGULAR COUNCIL MEETINGS SO WE'RE PROPOSING THIS CHANGE WILL START IN APRIL TO THOSE MEETINGS WOULD BE REGULAR BUSINESS MEETINGS AS WE DO HERE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS. THE THIRD ONE WOULD BE CALLED IT'D BE A REGULAR MEETING BUT IT'D BE A STUDY SESSION AND IT'D BE IN A CONFERENCE ROOM THAT ALLOWS MORE OF A CONVERSATION ALL AT YOUR LEVEL FOR CITY STAFF AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE TIMELINES FROM 630 TO 9 WITH AN EXTENSION TO EXTEND UP TO 10:00. WE ARE REDUCING THEM MINUTES PER SPEAKER AT PUBLIC HEARINGS FROM FIVE MINUTES DOWN TO THREE AND WE'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE A MORE INTENSE REVIEW OF PROCLAMATIONS DURING OUR MEETINGS. WE DO PROCLAMATIONS IN THE COMMUNITY. WE HAVE PEOPLE PICK UP PROCLAMATIONS. IT'S NOT LIMITING THE PROCLAMATIONS WE DO. THERE'S JUST OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO DO IT OUT IN THE COMMUNITY VERSUS HERE AT CITY COUNCIL EVERY EVENING IN TERMS OF LISTENING SESSIONS WE ARE NOW RECOMMENDING THAT THEY OCCUR PRIOR TO THE STUDY MEETINGS ONCE A MONTH PREREGISTRATION WILL BE RECOMMENDED KEEPING THE FIVE MINUTE TIME SLOTS FROM WE ARE NOW EXTENDING FROM FIVE 3615 SO THAT ACTUALLY ALLOWS EIGHT SPOTS FOR FOLKS WHO ARE LISTENING OR TO ATTEND LISTENING SESSION AND IT WOULD BE AT A CONFERENCE ROOM HERE AT CIVIC PLAZA. THERE WAS OVERWHELMING FEEDBACK TO NOT JUST DO THOSE LISTENING SESSIONS BUT TO ADD ALTERNATIVES AND ADDITIONS AS WELL. SO FOR EXAMPLE HAVING MAYOR OR CITY COUNCIL OFFICE HOURS I KNOW SOME OF YOU GUYS CAN'T DO THAT DURING THE DAY GIVEN YOUR JOBS BUT SOME OF YOU GUYS MIGHT BE ABLE TO OR ALTERNATE OR TAKE TURNS THERE WAS RECOMMENDATIONS TO HAVE YOU GUYS TABLE AT CITY AND COMMUNITY EVENTS. WE HAVE A TABLE LIKE ASK A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER TALK TO YOUR ELECTED OFFICIAL ALSO YOU GUYS COULD HAVE COFFEE MEETINGS AS IN YOU KNOW MAYBE YOU GUYS MEET WITH RESIDENTS INFORMALLY BUT THIS COULD BE MORE OF A FORMAL SETTING OR IT'S OUT IN YOUR DISTRICT AS WELL. THEN THERE ARE COMMENTS AROUND TOWN HALLS WHERE PEOPLE APPRECIATED THE TOWN HALLS APPROACH THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE IN THE PAST AS WELL. SO I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE WHILE WE'RE MOVING LISTENING SESSIONS TO ONCE A MONTH AND EXPANDING THE TIME THERE WAS STRONG CONSENSUS THAT THERE ARE DEFINITELY ADDITIONAL ALTERNATIVES AND ACCESS POINTS AS WELL. AND SO AGAIN ONE OF THE ACTIONS TO CHANGE OUR CALENDAR AND THIS WAS CALLED IN YOUR PACKET OF WHAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING IT WILL BE OUR STUDY SESSIONS WILL BE RECORDED IN LIVESTREAM. I DO WANT TOMPHASIZE THAT THAT WE ARE TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE PUBLIC IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND SO WITH THAT SAID THIS IS OUR REQUEST FOR COUNCIL ACTION. THIS EVENING. THANK YOU. SO COUNCIL WE'VE BEEN HAVING THE FORMAL AND INFORMAL CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW TO HOW TO STREAMLINE THIS, HOW TO HOW TO DO A BETTER JOB, HOW WE COULD BETTER SERVE THE PUBLIC, HOW WE CAN BETTER SERVE OUR STAFF, HOW WE CAN JUST RUN BETTER MEETINGS AND THIS WAS KIND OF THE OUTCOME OF THAT CONVERSATION AND SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM ALL OF US THOUGHTS, COMMENTS IDEAS. COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN THANK YOU MAYOR. I KNOW STAFF DID A WONDERFUL JOB AND WORKED HARD TO PUT THIS TOGETHER AND I WILL ADMIT YOU DID A FANTASTIC JOB WITH YOUR PRESENTATION TONIGHT BECAUSE I CAME IN HERE NOT WANTING TO SUPPORT THIS AT ALL. BUT YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I DO THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA IS SUPPORTING THIS THIS IDEA OF A STUDY SESSION. I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT HAVING THAT THAT STUDY SESSION THAT SEPARATE JUST SO THAT OUR PUBLIC CAN SEE THAT WE'RE STUDYING AND IT'S NOT YOU KNOW, IT'S A DIFFERENT PERIOD OF TIME AND I DO THINK THE END TIME IS IMPORTANT AS WELL HAVING AN END TIME ON OUR MEETINGS THAT'S REASONABLE BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE THEN COME HERE TO BE WITH US THEY'VE GOT TO HAVE SOME EXPECTATIONS REASONABLE IN TERMS OF YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS MEETING IS GOING TO BE OVER ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU COMPARE THAT TO OUR OTHER PEER CITIES. CERTAINLY WE HAVE A LOT MORE GOING ON AND WE HANDLE A LOT MORE STUFF AT OUR LEVEL AND NOT JUST HANDLING THE POLICY PART. SO THEN MOVING ON TO THE OTHER PART HERE WHEN WE ORIGINALLY MAYOR YOU'LL REMEMBER THIS I WAS TOTALLY OPPOSED TO GOING TO FIVE MINUTES BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT ONE DAY WE'D GET BACK TO GOING TO THREE MINUTES BECAUSE AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE IN THE POSITION OF HAVING TO SWITCH FROM FIVE MINUTES DOWN TO THREE MINUTES BECAUSE THAT JUST HAS THE CONNOTATION OF PROVIDING LESS DELIBERATION . AND SO THAT PART OF IT I JUST I CANNOT SUPPORT THAT THAT CHANGE FROM 5 TO 3 EVEN THOUGH BEFORE I WAS TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF THREE BUT NOW WE'RE AT FIVE I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO MAKE THAT THAT MOVEMENT BACK TO BACK TO THREE. I JUST THINK THAT THAT IS JUST GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION IN TERMS OF WHAT OUR WHAT OUR CORE VALUES ARE. WE SAY THEY'RE PRETTY PREREGISTRATION ALSO. I JUST I JUST DON'T LIKE THAT IDEA. I MEAN I AS A COUNCIL MEMBER I LIKE KNOWING EVERYTHING AHEAD OF TIME BUT HAVING THAT REQUIREMENT AND I KNOW WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY HERE WAS YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGE THAT AND I'M MORE OPEN TO THAT IDEA THAN HAVING AS A REQUIREMENT ESPECIALLY FOR ONLY MEETING WHICH IS KIND OF MY LAST THING YOU KNOW REDUCING 50% OF OUR OUR LISTENING SESSIONS. I DON'T CARE HOW YOU KIND OF WRAP THAT UP UNLESS WE HAVE A SECONDARY KIND OF THING TO PUT IN PLACE OF THOSE OTHER YOU KNOW, 50% I KNOW IT'S ONLY 24 GOING DOWN TO 12 I AM VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED TO THAT. IT JUST UNLESS WE HAVE SOMETHING CONCRETELY IN IN PLACE FOR THOSE OTHER 12 THAT WILL BE MISSED AND I GOT TO ADMIT I HAD A HARD TIME MAKING THAT. SO I'M TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF TRYING TO DO SOMETHING NEW BUT I THINK WE JUST BEFORE WE MAKE THAT REDUCTION WE'VE GOT TO HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE AND I FILL IN THAT OTHER TIMES BUT OTHER THAN THAT I MEAN YEAH I MEAN THE MEETINGS FEEL A LOT BETTER AN OUR NORMALLY GETTING DOWN AROUND 9 OR 10 EACH NIGHT I THINK THAT'S A VERY DOABLE THING AND I THINK WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION SO I WANT TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS BUT THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I'M MOST CONCERNED ABOUT WHEN I DO THIS BECAUSE IT JUST IT'S ALL AROUND THE IDEA OF OF HOW ARE WE OPEN TO PEOPLE ALLOWING PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIFFERING POINTS OF VIEW TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY DON'T AGREE WITH US AND THEY JUST VERY NERVOUS ABOUT GOING FROM 5 TO 3 THAT GIVES THEM LESS TIME TO TO TALK WITH US PRE PRE-REGISTRATION ONLY ONE TIME A MONTH AND ELIMINATING 50% OF OUR OUR LISTENING TIME JUST REALLY JUST IT JUST DOESN'T SIT RIGHT WITH ME SO ON THOSE THREE ITEMS I'D LIKE TO HEAR SOMETHING BUT WHERE IT STANDS TODAY I, I CAN'T SUPPORT IT AS WRITTEN SO IF AND THE THOUGHTS COUNCIL COUNCIL MEMBER DALLESSANDRO THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. >> I HAD A SIMILAR CONCERN ABOUT I THINK I SENT A NOTE EARLIER TODAY ABOUT IT MAYBE IT WAS YESTERDAY ABOUT THE IDEA OF OF REDUCING THE NUMBER OF LISTINGS SESSIONS WE HAVE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE THE OVERALL PIECE JUST BECAUSE I THINK IT IT WE SET THE PRECEDENT THAT WE MAKE OURSELVES ACCESSIBLE AT THAT TIME AND AND THEN WE AND THEN WE'RE NOT THERE SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A COMPROMISE THERE TO OFFER THAT A PORTION OF THE COUNSELORS AS AVAILABLE AT YOUR IT FOR 30 MINUTES PRIOR TO OUR 630 MEETING THE OTHER NIGHTS OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING BUT I THINK IT MIGHT BE WORTH OUR WHILE TO TO THINK THROUGH HOW WE CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THAT. NOW I SAY THAT AND I KNOW THAT TONIGHT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY SHOW UP FOR THAT MEETING SO YOU KNOW, I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT LIKE MAKING OURSELVES ACCESSIBLE IF PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT IS A THING AS WELL. AND I DO REALIZE THAT AS WE ARE ALL YOU KNOW, PART TIME STIPEND STAFF HERE AS WELL, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO GO GET PAID AND GET IN REAL JOBS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT TO WE FAMILIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO SUPPORT. SO YOU KNOW I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO OVERBURDEN THE COUNCIL BUT I ALSO DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SHOWING A REGULAR AND A REGULAR AND WHAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR? I WANT IT TO BE A REASONABLE EFFORT. MEANING MEANING IT'S IT'S NOT PERFORMATIVE IN NATURE. IT'S NOT LIKE I WAS HERE FOR FIVE MINUTES AND YOU DIDN'T SHOW UP SO I LEFT KIND OF THING LIKE I WANT IT TO BE SUBSTANTIAL ENOUGH THAT PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY CAN BE HEARD IF THEY NEED TO BE HEARD. AND I THINK EIGHT PEOPLE A NIGHT IS GREAT AND SO I'M I'M FOR THAT WHOLE THING. SO GETTING A GETTING A GANG TOWN HALLS GETTING SOMETHING ELSE ON THE BOOKS ON A REGULAR IS SOMETHING I ALSO WOULD BE IN AGREEMENT WITH OR HOLDING AN OFFICE HOUR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OVER AND ABOVE WHERE THERE'S ANOTHER YOU KNOW, 30 MINUTES PER WEEK WHERE SOMEBODY CAN TALK TO A COUNCIL MEMBER. BEYOND THAT THOUGH, I THINK THE 5 MINUTE TO 3 MINUTE THING TO ME, YOU KNOW, JUST IN MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE WITH THE WHAT WE'VE DONE TODAY, I THINK I THINK WE SEE ABOUT 50% OF THE TIME PEOPLE ARE PREPARED TO TALK FOR FIVE MINUTES AND 50% OF THE TIME THEY STOP EARLY OR SO. AND SO YOU KNOW, TO ME I WOULDN'T I DON'T I DON'T HAVE THE SAME HISTORY OF IT EVER HAVING BEEN, YOU KNOW, 3 MINUTES TO 5 MINUTES TO THREE MINUTES I GET THE VALUE THE PROBLEM THERE I WOULD BE I WOULD BE OPEN TO LEAVING IT AT FIVE MINUTES AND USING MAYBE DOING THAT AS A ANOTHER YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL EFFICIENCY GAIN IN A FUTURE TIME FRAME AS WE, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO ITERATE ON THIS. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE THING THAT WE DO FIRST IN MY OPINION. THANKS. LET'S MEMBER CARTER THANK YOU MAYOR SO WELL THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE CHANGES YOU'VE ALREADY IMPLEMENTED AND I APPRECIATE THE DOING THIS WORK TO PUT RECOMMENDATIONS IN FRONT OF US TO CONTINUE TO INCREASE OUR EFFECTIVENESS. SO I RELATED TO THE STUDY SESSIONS. I'M IN FAVOR OF THE CHANGES ALTHOUGH I DO THINK WE SHOULD ALLOW SOME FLEXIBILITY IF PEOPLE DON'T PRE-REGISTER. SO I THINK OF COURSE IF PEOPLE PRE-REGISTER HOW WE DO IT NOW PEOPLE PRE-REGISTER THEY GET PRIORITY BUT THEN IF PEOPLE SHOW UP AND WE HAVE TIME YOU KNOW I THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE WE SHOULD LISTEN TO THEM. I AM ALSO FINE WITH ONE A MONTH. I DO I LIKE THE IDEA OF MAYBE HAVING OFFICE HOURS BUT DOING THEM BEFORE THE COUNCIL MEETINGS. SO IN PLACE OF THE STUDY SESSIONS KIND OF TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING SO MAYBE HALF OF US ARE THERE ONE MONDAY FOR 30 MINUTES AND HALF OF US ARE THERE BEFORE THE OTHER COUNCIL MEETING FOR 30 MINUTES AND CAN JUST DO ONE ON ONE CONVERSATIONS WITH FOLKS. AND YOU KNOW I, I THINK THAT THAT IS PROBABLY THE MOST FEASIBLE THING TO DO CONSIDERING I THINK MOST OF US ALL WORK FULL TIME. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE TIME DURING THE WORK DAY ON A CONSISTENT BASIS. I'M FINE WITH GOING DOWN TO THREE MINUTES AT LEAST TRYING THAT FOR A WHILE AND I THINK THAT WAS MOST OF THE I THINK THAT WAS MOST OF THE THINGS THAT I HAD TO SAY. YEAH. OH ONE QUESTION I DID HAVE SETTING THIS WAS TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE WERE INTERVIEWED ARE WE GOING TO CHANGE THE FORMAT OF THE MEETING? SO PUTTING PUBLIC HEARINGS UP FRONT UM MAYOR AND COUNCILMEMBER CARTER WE DECIDED TO KEEP THE AGENDA FORMAT THE SAME AND CONSISTENT BECAUSE THAT ALLOWS US TO UM BECAUSE THE FACT THAT WE'RE REDUCING NOT REDUCING BUT BEING MORE MINDFUL PROCLAMATIONS. WE APPRECIATE THE INTRODUCTIONS OF NEW EMPLOYEES OUR CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS BECAUSE WE'RE VETTING THINGS A BIT MORE ADVANCE AND GETTING QUESTIONS OUT. WE'RE NOT SEEING THINGS AS POLLED AS MUCH OR WE ARE WE KNOW THE CONVERSATIONS IS A BIT MORE EFFICIENT AND SO AT THIS TIME WE'RE RECOMMENDING JUST KEEPING THE ORDER FOR RIGHT NOW. OKAY. WELL IF IT DOES COME UP AGAIN I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF PUTTING PUBLIC HEARINGS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE AGENDA JUST SO THAT PEOPLE'S AND PEOPLE COME TO THEIR COUNCIL CHAMBERS. THEY AREN'T SITTING AROUND FOR HOURS WAITING FOR US TO GET THROUGH THOSE AGENDA ITEMS. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER NELSON AND COUNCILMEMBER COUNCILMEMBER NELSON. YEP. THANK YOU. I GOT A COUPLE QCK COMMENTS BUT THANK YOU FOR WORKING ON THIS. I KNOW IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE'VE ALL BROUGHT UP AND AND I ACTUALLY KIND OF LIKE WHAT YOU DID THERE THAT WHEN I BROUGHT IT UP ORIGINALLY I WAS LIKE WELL LET'S JUST DO IT EVERY MONDAY SO WE DON'T STAY AS LATE. BUT I THINK YOU WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT AND SAID HOW DO WE STREAMLINE THE MEETINGS SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAY AS LATE BUT STILL HAVE THE SAME NUMBER OF MEETINGS? SO I APPRECIATE THAT THOUGHT PROCESS. A COUPLE OF QUICK THINGS I AM CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING ONE LISTENING SESSION A MONTH JUST GIVEN THAT ONE DAY A MONTH I MEAN IF THAT DOESN'T WORK FOR SOMEONE I KNOW THERE ARE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES. I KNOW THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO GET ALL OF US BUT THEY MAY WANT TO COME IN AND HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH US AS A GROUP AND GET THAT FEEDBACK. THE OTHER THING THAT I DON'T SEE ADDRESSED IN THIS AND IT CAME UP AT OUR LAST MEETING BUT IT'S COME UP BEFORE IS WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN SPEAK TO AN AGENDA ITEM AND THAT WILL BE MUCH LESS OF AN ISSUE IF THE ONLY THING WE HAVE IS A STUDY SESSION AFTERWARDS. BUT YOU KNOW THEY MAY WANT TO COME AND BRING FEEDBACK TO SAY HEY, YOU'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT WHATEVER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE STUDY SESSION AND PROVIDE SOME FEEDBACK TO US. SO I'D LIKE TO JUST GET CLARITY ON THAT IF THEY COULD BRING THAT TO US ALONG THOSE LINES I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO PUBLICLY PUBLISH AT LEAST WHAT WE KNOW OF THE AGENDA COMING UP WITH THE CAVEAT THAT OBVIOUSLY THINGS MAY SHIFT AROUND ESPECIALLY DEVELOPMENT PLANS AND THINGS BUT SO IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO COME TO A OF A LISTENING SESSION TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE ON OUR AGENDA BUT NOT HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING A WEEK LATER THAT THEY WOULD HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY AGAIN, THEY HAVE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THAT BUT SOMETIMES THEY JUST FEEL BETTER TALKING TO ALL SEVEN OF US AT THE SAME TIME OR 8 OR 10 OF US AT THE SAME TIME. UH AND THEN THE LAST THING THAT I WANT TO BRING UP AND IT WAS NOT I DON'T THINK PART OF THE REQUEST OR EVEN PART OF THE CONVERSATION BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT OUR BUDGETING PROCESS BECAUSE I THINK IT MAY MAKE SENSE AS WE GET INTO THAT BUDGETING PROCESS TO ADD AT LEAST FOR CERTAIN MONTHS ADDITIONAL AN ADDITIONAL STUDY SESSION JUST BUDGET RELATED AND I WOULD LIKE TO FIND A WAY TO ALLOW FOR PUBLIC INPUT DURING THAT PROCESS. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEARD VERY CLEARLY FROM PEOPLE IS THEY'RE A LITTLE FRUSTRATED TO COME TO THE LAST MEETING AND GIVE THEIR PUBLIC COMMENT AND LIKE YOU KNOW, WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THEIR FEEDBACK. WE HEAR THE FEEDBACK BUT IT'S THE 11TH HOUR. WE NEED A BUDGET. YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S NOT THERE'S NOT REALLY PRACTICALLY ANYTHING WE CAN DO AT THAT MEETING AND I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO GIVE OPPORTUNITIES AND FRANKLY I HAVE CONFIDENCE I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HEAR SOME JUST IT'S GOT TO BE LOWER. IT'S GOT TO BE LOWER. BUT I ALSO BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM SOME PEOPLE THAT HAVE IDEAS AND THOUGHTS AND CREATIVITY AND I'D LIKE TO HOLD OPEN THAT THAT POSSIBILITY. I THINK IT'S ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM AND ON THE FLIPSIDE TO EXPLAIN SOME REALITIES TO THEM. SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS I THINK YOU'VE MADE MADE REALLY GOOD PROGRESS ON THIS AND AND LIKE I SAID, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT IT IT WASN'T JUST TAKING THE EXISTING WORKLOAD AND SPREADING THAT OUT OVER MORE MEETINGS BUT ACTUALLY TRYING TO STREAMLINE AND FOCUS OUR MEETINGS SO I SUPPOSE SHUT UP ALONG THOSE LINES. YEAH. COUNCILMEMBER THANK YOU MAYOR UM YEAH, I WANT TO JUST ECHO THINGS FOR STAFF ONCE WE STARTED HAVING THIS CONVERSATION I DON'T KNOW IF I'M A GLUTTON FOR PUNISHMENT OR NOT BUT I LITERALLY WATCHED OTHER COUNCIL MEETINGS JUST FOR RESEARCH AND FOR FUN WHILE AND IT WAS AND I AND I WATCHED EVERYONE AROUND US YOU DIANA IN PRAIRIE EAGLE APPLE VALLEY LAKE VILLE AND THE SPEED OF THEIR MEETINGS BLEW ME AWAY 45 MINUTES AN HOUR TOPS DONE. BUT AS I WAS SITTING AND THINKING ABOUT IT I SAW LIMITED PARTICIPATION FROM RESIDENTS AND WHEN RESIDENTS CAME THROUGH ALTHOUGH WE HAVE RESIDENTS SAID THAT THINK THAT WE ARE NOT AS OPEN JUST WATCHING THOSE MEETINGS I WAS LIKE NO ONE'S TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING AND THEY'RE DONE. THEY'RE PAST, THEY'RE THROUGH. WHEREAS WHEN WE'VE HAD OUR LISTENING SAT OR WHEN WE'VE HAD OUR STUDY SESSIONS HERE DURING REGULAR COUNCIL MEETINGS YOU CAN GO BACK AND WATCH THOSE AND YOU CAN HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. YOU CAN COME TO US AS WE'VE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND CONTINUE TO COMMUNICATE WITH US UNTIL WE HAVE THOSE THOSE MEETINGS WHERE WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS ON THIS AND TO WATCH THE OTHER CITIES HOW THEY DO IT JUST TO ME FELT SO CLOSED OFF AND NOT OPEN TO RESIDENTS PROVIDING THAT FEEDBACK AND IT'S HARD FOR THEM TO GO BACK AND FIND THOSE BECAUSE THEY THEY'RE HIDDEN IN SOME OTHER MEETING, SOME OTHER STUDY SESSION. AND SO I DO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE EVERYTHING OPEN THAT WE HAVE THESE CONSISTENTLY AND OFTEN AND THAT WHEN YOU COME TO OUR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD FOR MONTHS BUT STAFF CONTINUES TO DO THEIR WORK AND GIVES YOU A FULL PRESENTATION WHEREAS I DO NOT SEE THAT OTHER CITIES AND SO I APPRECIATE THAT THAT ASPECT OF I EXPECT THAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO DO THAT. MM HMM. AND SO MY BIGGEST THING THAT I'VE ALWAYS BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE IMPACT ON STAFF TO EXPECT OUR STAFF TO BE HERE TO 11:00 EVERY NIGHT, TURN AROUND, WAKE UP AND BE IN THE OFFICE BY 8 A.M. SO THEY CAN CONTINUE TO SERVE OUR RESIDENTS JUST IS NOT FAIR. IT IS NOT SOMETHING WE CAN CONTINUE TO DO AND I THINK WHAT YOU'VE PRESENTED HERE IS A STEP FROM WHERE WE STARTED, RIGHT? I HEAR HORROR STORIES FROM THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN HERE BEING HERE TILL 2 OR 3 IN THE MORNING RIGHT? 11:00 IS GREAT BUT NOW WE'RE TO A POINT WHERE WE NEED TO TAKE ANOTHER STEP AND I THINK THIS IS A LOGICAL STEP AND I APPRECIATE THE TIME AND EFFORT AND ENERGY THAT'S GONE INTO THIS KNOWING THAT THIS IS NOT PERMANENT, KNOWING THAT WE'VE CHANGED THIS BEFORE, KNOWING THAT WE'RE CHANGING IT TODAY AND WE CAN CHANGE IT AGAIN IF IT DOESN'T CONTINUE TO WORK FOR STAFF AND FOR RESIDENTS. AND SO I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHT AND EFFORT INTO IT AND YES, IT IS A CONCERN TO ME THAT WE'RE REDUCING THE NUMBER OF OPPORTUNITIES THAT RESIDENTS HAVE TO COME TO MEET US AND COMMUNICATE WITH US. BUT THE BIGGEST THING FOR ME IS THAT IT'S I EXPECT IT TO BE MORE EFFECTIVE BECAUSE THE TIME THAT WE'RE SPENDING DOING THESE OTHER THINGS NOW JUST IS NOT EFFECTIVE IS NOT DRIVING THAT. SO THIS THIS IS REALLY WHAT I'M HOPING THIS DOES IS NOT JUST DRIVE EFFICIENCY BUT EFFECTIVENESS AND HOW WE REACH OUR OUR GOALS AS A COUNCIL TO MAKE DECISIONS IN A PPER TIME AND CONTINUE THAT COMMITMENT TO OUR RESIDENTS THAT WE ARE STILL ACCESSIBLE AND YOU HAVE FULL PURVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS, THANK YOU FOR BEING SO EFFECTIVE AND MAKING THIS HAPPEN QUICK THAT SAID, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE GIVE THE PEOPLE THE FIVE MINUTES AND WE LIMIT OURSELVES TO THREE MINUTES TALKING THIRD ITEM BECAUSE IN ALL REALITY WE'RE THE ONES THAT EXTEND THE MEETINGS TO 1130 WHICH I HAD THE PLEASURE TO STATE A FEW TIMES UNTIL 11 TO I WOULD SUGGEST WE REFRAIN OURSELVES FROM TALKING SO MUCH AS MY SUGGESTION AND I WATCH JUST RECENTLY FROM PEOPLE THAT I MET TO THE CONFERENCES A LISTENING SESSION IN COLORADO . IT WAS AMAZING HOW THEY DO IT . I OBVIOUSLY IT'S A BIGGER CITY. THEY HAVE MORE COUNCIL MEMBERS BUT IN THERE THE COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR DON'T REALLY GIVE ANSWERS IS A LISTENING SESSION A REAL YOU KNOW THEY THE CONSTITUENTS COME OVER AND THEY EXPRESS THEIR CONCERNS AND EVERYTHING IS RECORDED AND YOU KNOW THEY THEY AND THEN THE FOLLOWING WEEK THEY SHOW UP AND THEN THEY HAVE THE FIRST 15 MINUTES ANSWERS FOR THE QUESTIONS SO THEY CAME UP WITH AND IT'S ALL BEING RECORDED SO THEY WATCH IT AND YOU KNOW I HAVE NOTICED THAT IN OUR LISTENING SESSIONS SOMETIMES WE GET TO INVOLVED AND WE GET VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON AND THEN WE DON'T ALLOW THE RESIDENTS TO REALLY EXPRESS THEMSELVES TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO SAY. I MEAN AND IN A LOT OF TIMES IF IF YOU LET THEM LITERALLY BENT BY THE TIME THEY FINISH THEIR FIVE MINUTES ARE ALL COOL AND AND SATISFIED WITH WHAT THEY SAID AND THEN THEY JUST WAIT FOR AN ANSWER, I DON'T KNOW. BUT THE ONE THING THAT I DO NOTICE IN THIS MEETING HE SAID HE WAS OVER 45 MINUTES HE WAS AN HOUR AND 15 MINUTES A DAY WENT ON BUT THERE ARE MEETINGS VERY SHORT, SWEET AND SHORT AT THE AT THE END AND WE BY 9:00 THEY WERE DONE ALSO I DON'T KNOW TO WHAT EXTENT THEY SHARE EVERYTHING THAT YOU MENTION SO BUT I THINK IF WE LIMIT OURSELVES TO SPEAK LESS WE'LL MAKE IT WORK. WE MY OPINION THANK YOU THANK YOU SO MUCH BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS HAPPENING REALLY QUICK. I APPRECIATE IT . WE'RE JUST WE CAN'T RECALL IF WE IF WE GO TO 10 OR 11 NOW WE'RE WE'RE ALL IN ALL THE CONVERSATION WE'RE ALL RIGHT WITH THAT IN MIND AS WE AS WE WORK THIS CONVERSATION, COUNSEL I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE EXTEND IT TO NO LATER THAN 1015 JUST MAKE SURE WE CAN FINISH THIS UP AND GET THROUGH A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS IF THAT'S OKAY. I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION MOTION IN THE SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR I VERY GOOD. SO WE HAVE EXTENDED NO LATER THAN 1015 SO THANK YOU FOR THAT MY MY TAKE ON THIS I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT'S GONE IN THIS AND APPRECIATE THE THE THOUGHT AND EVERYBODY HAS A COUPLE OF THINGS I AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS. IT'S IT'S NOT THE COUNCIL. IT'S NOT THE LISTENING SESSIONS THAT ARE PUSHING IT SWAYED I MEAN IT'S NICE THAT I ACTUALLY I APPRECIATE THE LISTENING SESSIONS BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN WE NEED TO BE DONE AND WE'RE DONE AND WE'RE THEN MOVING ON TO THE NEXT THING. SO I, I AM HESITANT TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR PEOPLE ON A LISTENING SESSION CAN CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND IF WE WANTED TO MODIFY THAT IN SOME WAY YOU KNOW A COUPLE OF TIMES PERHAPS YOU KNOW AN INFORMAL OPPORTUNITY FOR IT TO MEET WITH HALF THE COUNCIL AT A TIME, SOMETHING LIKE THAT WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK AT SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES BUT I MEAN MY BIGGEST REGRET IN ALL OF THIS IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TIMED COUNCIL ITEMS THAT WE DON'T HAVE. I BROUGHT UP THE EXAMPLE TO ALL OF YOU IN THE PAST. I MEAN THAT'S THE REGIONS OF THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA HAVE 25 MINUTES PER ITEM OR 20 MINUTES PER ITEM AND THEY DEAL WITH SOME BIG THINGS AND THEY START AND WHEN THEY HIT 20 MINUTES THE DISCUSSION IS DONE AND IF ONE PERSON HAS SPOKEN THE WHOLE TIME PASSES BECAUSE THEY'RE DONE AFTER 20 MINUTES AND SO IT'S IT WOULD BE AN EFFECTIVE WAY I THINK TO TO FOCUS OUR DISCUSSION A LITTLE BIT MORE AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON POINT THAT WE'RE ABLE TO GET THROUGH OUR WORK ON TIME. SO I MEAN MY MY PERSPECTIVE IT'S NOT THE LISTENING SESSIONS. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY EVEN THE MEETINGGENDA ALTHOUGH I APPRECIATE THE AGENDAS THAT HAVE BEEN TIGHTENED UP AND SETTING UP SIGNIFICANTLY. IT'S ALSO THE COUNCIL INPUT ON ALL THAT WE'RE TRYING TO TALK ABOUT AS WELL. THE 3 TO 5 MINUTES IF YOU RECALL THE REASON WE PUT IT IN FIVE MINUTES IS BECAUSE THAT'S HOW LONG THE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD WAS THAT WE GAVE THEM FIVE MINUTES OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND IT MADE LOGICAL SENSE THAT WE THEN GO FIVE MINUTES AT THE PUBLIC HEARING. I THINK COUNCILMEMBER ALEXANDER YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. I THINK HALF AND HALF MAYBE ARE DONE BY YOU KNOW HALF ARE DONE WITHIN THREE MINUTES. I DO THINK THREE MINUTES FOR A PUBLIC HEARING IS PROBABLY ENOUGH AND IT PROBABLY PUTS US MORE IN LINE WITH ALL OF OUR PEER CITIES AROUND HERE. ALSO I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ELSE GOES FIVE MINUTES. IN FACT I KNOW SOME EVEN GO SHORTER THAN THREE MINUTES AND THE FINAL POINT THAT I WOULD MAKE ABS SLIGHTLY IN FAVOR OF OTHER OPPORTUNITIES I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE WE SHOULD HAVE A COUNCIL TENT OR TABLE EVERY MORNING AT THE FARMER'S MARKET EVERY SINGLE SATURDAY AND EVERYBODY GETS AN HOUR OR HOWEVER WE WANT TO DO IT AND JUST TO BE ABLE TO SIT THERE AND LISTEN TO TALK TO PEOPLE OR ANY OF THE OTHER COMMUNITY EVENTS THAT WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY BE THERE AND PUT THE TIME IN THERE AND LISTEN TO FOLKS TO MEET PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE AS OPPOSED TO REQUIRING THEM TO BE HERE BETWEEN 530 AND 615 ON A ONE MONDAY NIGHT A WEEK A MONTH EXCUSE ME. I ALSO LOVE THE IDEA OF TOWN HALLS. I, I LIKE DOING THOSE THOSE WERE THOSE WERE ACTUALLY ENJOYABLE. THOSE ARE KIND OF FUN AND I THINK WE SHOULD WE SHOULD DO MORE OF THAT KIND OF THING SO LOOK FOR OTHER OPPORTUNITIES PERHAPS LOOK FOR TO BE CREATIVE TO MEET PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE YOU KNOW MAYBE MAYBE WE WE TAKE A COUNCIL LISTENING SESSION 3 OR 4 OF US OR WHATEVER WE TAKE IT ON THE ROAD. I MEAN WELL LET'S GO OVER TO A YOU KNOW, MUG SHOTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO TO SIT AND LISTEN TO FOLKS AND WHAT THE IDEAS WHAT THE POSSIBILITIES. SO THOSE ARE MY $0.02 AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A A CONSENSUS AROUND WHAT WE WANT TO DO HERE RIGHT NOW UM COUNCILMEMBER WOMAN BUT WELL I MEAN I THINK I HEAR THE YOU KNOW THE SUPPORT AROUND THE THE MEETING TIMEFRAMES OF HAVING THREE MEETINGS SO I'M DEFINITELY HEARING THAT I THINK ALL OF US ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE YOU KNOW, THE REDUCTION IN THE IN THE LISTENING SESSIONS SO I THINK YOU KNOW, I GUESS FOR ME I JUST WANT TO HEAR WHAT THOSE REPLACEMENTS ARE. I MEAN I CAN GO WITH THAT STUDY. I DO THINK AND I'VE ALWAYS BEEN IN FAVOR OF THE IDEA OF CAN WE GO AND MEET PEOPLE WHERE THEY'RE AT? BUT I THINK WE REALLY HAVE TO IF WE'RE GOING TO I WOULDN'T WANT TO MAKE THAT REDUCTION WITHOUT HAVING A REPLACEMENT FOR IS WHAT WHAT ALL I'M SAYING FOR THAT AND I THINK IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE'VE ALL AGREED TO I THINK I HEARD A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WANTING TO GO TO THREE MINUTES. I THINK I HEARD THAT I MEAN I KNOW THERE'S A FEW OF US WHO ARE OKAY WITH FIVE MINDS MORE HISTORICAL AND I'D LOVE TO GET A CHARTER WRITTEN DOWN SO WE CAN NEVER CHANGE IT FROM THREE AGAIN. I CAN'T BELIEVE I SAID I WAS ABOUT THAT WHEN IT HAPPENED SO I THINK I'M HEARING THAT UNLESS IT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND THEN I HEARD ONE OTHER PERSON TALK ABOUT THE PREREQUISITE REQUIREMENT I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST YOU AND I OR WAS THERE ANYBODY ELSE? I THINK THERE ARE THREE OF US FOR PRE-REGISTRATIONS YEAH, I THINK THERE WAS I THINK ONLY THERE WAS LIKE THREE OF US I WILL SAY I DID HEAR I HEARD TWO DIFFERENT THINGS ON THAT. ONE THING I LIKE ABOUT THE PRE-REGISTRATION IS IT GIVES PEOPLE A SET TIME. THEY KNOW WHEN THEY NEED TO BE THERE. THEY KNOW THE TIME PERIOD THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE IN REGARD AND THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO 16 PEOPLE YOU GET 35 SECONDS AS OPPOSED TO FIVE MINUTES TO PRE-REGISTER. WE'VE GOT EIGHT SLOTS. YOU GET FIVE MINUTES. YOU KNOW WHAT TIME YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE THERE AND WHAT TIME YOU CAN LEAVE. SO SO WELL MAYBE YOU'RE GOING TO ASK THIS QUESTION. GO AHEAD. YEAH. WHY SOME SAY I. I LIKE THE IDEA I LIKE PRE-REGISTRATION AND IF IT'S FULL, IT'S FULL. I MEAN THAT ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO PRE-REGISTER, RIGHT? BUT IF WE HAVE THREE PEOPLE PRE-REGISTER AND WE HAVE FIVE PEOPLE WHO COME WHO DIDN'T REGISTER I MEAN I EXPECT THAT WE WOULD MAKE TIME FOR THAT. I, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. YES, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. OKAY. YEAH. SO THAT'S THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I AND THEN MY OTHER ISSUE WITH THAT WAS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THAT WERE WERE PRESENTED TONIGHT YOU KNOW AND SO I GUESS MY THING IS I MEAN I COULD LIVE WITH IT YOU KNOW IF WE IF WE IF WE CAN CONCRETELY SAY WHAT THOSE OTHER 12 OPPORTUNITIES ARE AND I MEAN I'D GO WITH OFFICE HOUR THING THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBER CARTER IS PUT FORWARD YOU KNOW AS A PLACEHOLDER FOR TONIGHT IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD DO I JUST I DON'T WANT TO GO OUT OF HERE WITH 12 I JUST DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT. YEAH. MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS I CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION WHICH IS NOT A VIRTUAL ONE. WE COULD GO BACK TO JUST LISTENING SESSIONS REGULAR TIME 545 OR 615 AN HOUR TO REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS DURING STUDY SESSIONS WE CAN OFFER OPTIONAL OFFICE HOURS. YOU WANT TO BE THE MAYOR ON MEET WITH INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBER WE CAN COLLECT THAT INFORMATION IN ADVANCE AND OFFER IT ON SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR FOLKS TO MEET WITH INDIVIDUALLY WITH THEIR ELECTED OFFICIAL DURING THAT SO THAT WOULD FILL JUST KEEP THE LISTENING SESSIONS AS IS DURING THE TWO REGULAR COUNCIL MEETINGS OPTIONAL OFFICE HOURS BEFORE STUDY SESSIONS, PRE-REGISTRATION IS ENCOURAGED BUT NOT REQUIRED. WE CAN KEEP THAT I'M HEARING MIXED ON THE 5 TO 3 MINUTES SO NEED TO DECIDE ON THAT OTHER THAN RELOOKING AT THE SPEAKING TO AN AGENDA ITEM THAT COUNCILMEMBER NELSON RAISED AND I KNOW I TALKED TO THE CITY ATTORNEY ABOUT THIS MY UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THAT GUIDELINE WAS JUST NOT TO UTILIZE LISTENING SESSIONS TO REPLACE PUBLIC COMMENT WAS THE INTENT OF THAT PUBLIC HEARING. OH OKAY. I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. I MEAN FROM MY PERSPECTIVE I COULD LIVE WITH THE TWO LISTENING SESSIONS BEFORE OUR REGULAR MEETINGS AND THEN A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY BEFORE THE STUDY SESSIONS AS WE COULD DO THAT. I MEAN THAT IT DOESN'T MATCH ONE FOR ONE THAT THE THE TAKEN IT OUT BUT I MEAN IT GIVES IT IT COULD I MEAN THERE ARE POSSIBILITIES YEAH I THINK THE I THINK THE DOING IT BEFORE THE REGULAR MEETINGS DOES BUT I'D ALSO BE I MEAN I GET WHAT STAFF IS TRYING TO DO WITH TRYING TO GO WITH HAVING AN ON THE STUDY MEETINGS AND GETTING IT OFF BECAUSE THAT AVOIDS THE WHOLE CONFLICT BUT MY THING IS IS JUST SO MAYBE THE AND I'M OPEN TO THE IDEA OF JUST THE OTHER MAYBE ONE OF THE OTHER REGULAR MEETINGS IT'S JUST OFFICE HOURS TO A MINIMUM TOTAL BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE HAVING AT LEAST THE THE BARE MINIMUM OF WHAT WE HAVE TODAY WHICH IS YOU KNOW. YES. AND TECHNICALLY WE HAVE MORE THAN WHAT I SAID TWO TIMES A MONTH IS IS ENOUGH. I MEAN BECAUSE TECHNICALLY IF WE MEET THREE TIMES A MONTH IT'S IT'S MORE THAN THAT. SO I DIDN'T WANT TO HARP ON THAT THAT DETAIL. >> THAT'S MEMBER DALLESSANDRO. THANK YOU SIR. THE OTHER OPTION THAT WE HAVE AND IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE WRITTEN INTO THE RULES PER SAY IS THAT BECAUSE IT'S A STUDY SESSION IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO MEET WITH ONE OF THEIR COUNCIL MEMBERS DURING THAT TIME WE COULD ALWAYS STEP OUT. I MEAN THERE'S NO REASON THAT ONE OF US CAN'T STEP OUT. WE STILL HAVE MORE THAN QUORUM AND EVERYTHING SO IF THERE WAS A 15 MINUTE SOMEBODY WANTED TO COME SAY HEY I WORK LATE OR I'M NOT ABLE TO GET THERE BEFORE 730 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I'M AT THIS STUDY SESSION COME SEE ME. MAYBE WE COULD DO THAT. I'M NOT SAYING WE HAVE TO DO THAT NOR DO WE NEED TO WRITE IT DOWN BUT IT IS AN OPTION FOR PEOPLE. IT COULD BE AN OPTION FOR ANYBODY ANYWAY TODAY FOR THAT MATTER. BUT ANYWAY I PUT THAT OUT THERE AS A THING. I WOULD SAY I'M FINE WITH THREE MINUTES. I THINK THAT WAS AN OPEN QUESTION AND I'M FINE WITH THE TWO MINUTE THAT THE LISTENING SESSIONS BEFORE PUBLIC BEFORE OUR PUBLIC MEETINGS I GUESS THE ONLY COMMENT I WOULD MAKE IS I THINK THAT IF PEOPLE DO WANT TO COME TALK TO US PRIOR TO IF PEOPLE WANT TO COME TALK TO US ABOUT ITEMS THAT ARE ON A STUDY SESSION ITEM, I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. I THINK THIS GOES BACK TO TO KIND OF WHAT I WAS SAYING A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO WHICH IS THAT I, I DON'T LOVE THAT WE HAVE OUR TRUTH IN TAXATION HEARING AS THE FIRST PUBLIC FIRST PLACE WHERE PEOPLE MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT OUR BUDGET PROCESS. RIGHT AND SO YOU KNOW TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN AS WE'RE STUDYING AN ITEM WE GIVE PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC INPUT. I THINK THAT THAT'S GREAT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S PUBLIC COMMENT PERIODS DURING STUDY SESSIONS OR IF THAT'S THE LISTENING YOU KNOW, HAVING SOME TIME BEFORE STUDY SESSION WHERE IN ADDITION TO ANYTHING ELSE THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THEY CAN COMMENT ON THE ON THE STUDY ITEM, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THAT IS AND I THINK THAT GOES TO COUNCILMEMBER NELSON'S POINT ABOUT DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS HOW DO WE ENGAGE HOW DO WE GET MORE FEEDBACK AND ACTIVE BACK AND FORTH WITH WITH THE PUBLIC SO SO AS OUR THE CLOCK CONTINUES TO TICK HERE. THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN 3 TO 5 MINUTES. LET'S LET'S SETTLE THAT ONE FIRST. I'M GOOD WITH THREE MINUTES PERSONALLY ON A PUBLIC HEARING I'M SEEING THREE THUMBS SO WE WANT TO STAY WITH FIVE MINUTES FOR THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. DID IT DID I SEE A FOURTH? I DID. YOU SURE? SURE. WE HAVE AN ENTHUSIASTIC SHARE BY COUNCILMEMBER ALL RIGHT. IF WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT AND IF WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT, IF WE COULD DO THAT IN THAT WAY AND THEN FOR THE LISTENING SESSIONS, MEREDITH AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO THIS JUST A FEW MINUTES I, I THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I DIDN'T I DON'T HATE IT THOUGHTS ON THE ON THE LISTENING SESSIONS BEFORE THE REGULAR MEETINGS AND THEN OFFICE HOURS BEFORE A STUDY SESSION PEOPLE GOOD WITH THAT GOOD WITH THAT SEAN YOU'RE YOU'RE HALF AND HALF COUNCILMEMBER NELSON QUICKLY WE GET TO TO I THINK PEOPLE COME TO THE LISTENING SESSION TO TALK TO THE ENTIRE COUNCIL IF THEY WANT TO MEET WITH US THEY JUST CONTACT US AND I HAVE COFFEE WITH PEOPLE ON A REGULAR BASIS AND I FIND A TIME TO MEET WITH THEM. I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO HAVE AN OFFICE HOUR SCHEDULE THEY CAN TO SCHEDULE AN INDIVIDUALLY OKAY AND SO WHAT ARE WE FIND THEN WITH THE LISTENING SESSIONS BEFORE EACH OF THE REGULAR COUNCIL MEETINGS AND THOSE TWO TIMES ALL RIGHT WHAT ELSE IS UNRESOLVED PREREGISTER TRATION I THINK COUNCILMEMBER CARTER HAD A RIGHT WOULD PREFER PREREGISTRATION THEY WILL GET THEY WILL GET PRIORITY BUT IF WE HAVE FOUR SLOTS TWO PEOPLE SHOW UP WE'RE NOT GOING TO TURN SOMEBODY AWAY BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T PRE-REGISTERED. THEY WON'T THEY'LL GET SLOT NUMBER THREE AND SLOT NUMBER FOUR. SO JUST TO PLEASE CLARIFICATION MR. MAYOR, SOMETIMES WE MAY ONLY HAVE TWO WE HAVE 30 MINUTES. WE ONLY HAVE THREE PEOPLE. WE GIVE THEM LIKE SEVEN MINUTES EACH OR WHATEVER WE GOING TO SAY FIVE MINUTES TOPS FOR EVERYBODY I THINK FIVE MINUTES TOPS FOR EVERYBODY TO MAKE IT. THEY JUST CHECK IN ON THAT NICE AND EQUAL. YEP. ANYTHING ELSE I THINK IS JUST TO REVISIT SPEAKING ON AGENDA ITEM YES. MAYOR MEMBERS THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S THE PRESERVING OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS EXCUSE ME I'M EXCEPT MY WORDS OF PUBLIC HEARING TESTIMONY TO KEEP THE RECORD. YOU KNOW YOU ALL REMEMBER THE INFORMATION ABOUT YES WHAT YOU CAN CONSIDER. SO HOW ABOUT YOU CAN COMMENT ON STUDY ITEMS DURING A LISTENING SESSION I HEARD THAT I, I WAS ALWAYS UNDER I THOUGHT THE WAY WE WERE GOING WITH THAT AND BEFORE WE WERE KIND OF WE CHANGED A LITTLE BIT UNLESS THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING I THINK PEOPLE COULD TALK ON IT. YEAH I MEAN IF THERE'S IF THERE'S JUST A IF THERE'S AN ITEM THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE A PUBLIC INPUT PIECE TO IT. FOR EXAMPLE, OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT ON THE SOUTH LOOP DEVELOPMENT PLAN IF THERE IF THERE'S NOT A PUBLIC INPUT PIECE TO THAT THAT THAT'S FAIR GAME DURING A LISTENING SESSION. BUT IF THERE WAS A PUBLIC HEARING THAT'S A NO NO OFF SO I THINK THAT'S CORRECT ALTHOUGH I DO THINK, MR. MAYOR, THAT THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION ABOUT THAT. SO I THINK THE CLARIFICATION MAKES SENSE. SO WHAT WE'RE BASICALLY SAYING IS IF IT'S NOT IN SECTION FOUR, FEEL FREE TO TALK ABOUT IT. I THINK THAT'S FAIR. YEAH. EVERYBODY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT IN YOU'RE RIGHT IT GIVES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR AND TO CLARIFY AND GIVES PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ON THINGS CLEAR ON THAT NOW IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE OUTSTANDING WHY DON'T WE BRING IT BACK NEXT WEEK SO WE CAN HAVE A CHANCE TO EVERYBODY HAS A CHANCE TO READ IT AND TALK ABOUT THIS AND THINK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT AND WE CAN WE CAN VOTE ON IT THEN SO 17TH EXCUSE ME SOMEWHERE ELSE MEMBER THEY JUST POINT OF POINT OF CLARIFICATION OUR RULES WHERE DO YOU GO TO 11 SO I APOLOGIZE. I WAS JUST TRYING TO RUSH TO SUPPORT THAT WAS YOU MAY REMEMBER MY BACK I WAS RUSHING AND I WAS RUSHING TO GET THERE. I CAN'T KEEP IT ALL STRAIGHT ASPIRATIONAL. >> I THOUGHT THAT I WAS CONFUSED BY THE WHOLE TIME I THOUGHT IT WAS STILL TILL 11 MYSELF. YEAH, WE'RE GOOD. WE'RE ALL GOOD. THE NEW ONES THE VERY THE NEWER TO STAY TILL 11 RIGHT SO IF IF WE COULD BRING THIS BACK IF I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLED THIS RESOLUTION BRING IT BACK WITH THE UPDATES AND THE CORRECTIONS AND REALLY RECONSIDER IT AT OUR MARCH 17TH MEETING BECAUSE ST PATRICK'S DAY IS A PERFECT TIME TO BE TALKING ABOUT THIS KIND OF STUFF. I THINK SO. SO EXACTLY. YEAH WE WE WILL WE'LL ALL RIGHT I WILL MAKE THAT MOTION. SECOND TABLE IS FOR THE 17TH SECOND MY COUNCILMEMBER D'ALESSANDRO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS HEARING NONE ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. I HOPE THAT'S HELPFUL AND THANKS FOR THE CONVERSATION COUNCIL. I THINK WE'RE GETTING THERE. WE'RE GETTING THERE. THAT WILL LEAD US TO ITEM 5.3. OUR CITY COUNCIL POLICY AND ISSUE UPDATE. I TYPICALLY START OUT WITH A RECAP OF OUR LISTENING SESSION AND WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY SHOW UP AT THE LISTENING SESSION TONIGHT SO THAT MAKES THAT A LOT SHORTER. ONE THING THAT I DO WANT TO BRING UP TO THE COUNCIL AND FOR THE REST OF THE PUBLIC TO HEAR AND I'LL BE TALKING ABOUT IT AGAIN DURING THE COUNCIL MINUTE THIS WEEK WAS LAST WEEK WE HOSTED BLOOMINGTON'S FIRST EVER CEO SUMMIT HERE IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON AND BROUGHT BUSINESS LEADERS FROM ACROSS THE CITY FROM ADMITTEDLY OUR LARGER EMPLOYERS TO TALK ABOUT TO TO TO TALK ABOUT INNOVATION, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO TO GET THEM TOGETHER IN A ROOM AND GET THEM TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS. WE HAD IT OVER AT THE THE BLOOMINGTON TOURING TRANSIT TRAVEL AND TOURISM OFFICES MET FOR THE ENTIRE MORNING AND IT WAS IT WAS A VERY WORTHWHILE AND EFFECTIVE MORNING SPENT TOGETHER WITH THESE FOLKS. WE WE TALKED ABOUT STRENGTHENING RELATIONSHIPS. WE TALKED ABOUT CITY POLICIES THAT IMPACT BUSINESSES IN NEGATIVE WAYS. WE TALKED ABOUT WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT STATE POLICIES THAT IMPACT BUSINESSES IN NEGATIVE WAYS. WE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS AND IT WAS INTERESTING TO HEAR THE PERSPECTIVE OF THESE FOLKS AND THESE WERE FOLKS FROM CEOS AND HIGH EXECUTIVES FROM LAKIN, HOFFMAN ZIEGLER TDK CDR SEAGATE TURRELL DONALDSON POLAR MALL OF AMERICA HEALTH PARTNERS. I MEAN WE HAD SOME WE HAD A LOT OF FOLKS THERE WHO HAD SOME BIG PERSPECTIVES AND IT WAS A REALLY POSITIVE AND INFORMATIVE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD AND I THINK THE BIGGEST THING THAT EVERYONE AGREED TO WAS WE'VE GOT TO DO THIS AGAIN AND TO CONTINUE TO DO THIS AND THERE WAS SOME FOLKS WHO WEREN'T IN THE ROOM THAT WE WANT TO HAVE IN THE ROOM AS WELL AND TO CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLY LOOK AT A WAY THAT WE CAN STRENGTHEN THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CITY HALL AND AND OUR BUSINESSES IN BLOOMINGTON BUT ALSO THEN FOR ALL OF US TO SPEAK AS ONE VOICE IN TERMS OF STATE POLICY, IN TERMS OF WHAT WHAT IS HAPPENING WITHIN OUR REGION TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK AS BLOOMINGTON I THINK IS A POWERFUL THING AND WILL DEFINITELY BE LOOKING AT DOING THAT. AND I MENTIONED THESE ARE OUR LARGEST THESE ARE OUR LARGEST EMPLOYEES AND I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR WE HAVE A LITANY OF THINGS WE'VE BEEN DOING WITH BUSINESSES OF ALL SIZES ACROSS THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON TRYING TO REENGAGE THEM TO TRY AND GET THEIR FEEDBACK, TO CONNECT WITH THEM TO TO ASSIST THEM. THIS WAS JUST A SEGMENT AS WE DO AS WE AS WE FOCUSED ON ENTREPRENEURS THROUGH HATCH BLOOMINGTON WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE FOCUSED ON OUR LARGEST EMPLOYERS THROUGH THE CEO SUMMIT. THERE ARE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THROUGHOUT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR THROUGHOUT THE THE MENU OF THINGS THAT WE DO AS A CITY WHERE WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR DIFFERENT BUSINESSES IN TERMS OF SIZE, IN TERMS OF LOCATION, IN TERMS OF INDUSTRY THAT THEY'RE IN. THIS JUST HAPPENS TO BE OUR LARGEST EMPLOYERS AND IT WAS A AS I SAID A VERY EFFECTIVE AND INTERESTING CONVERSATION AND SO WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE IT. WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE UPDATE. I'LL DO IT MUCH MORE ELOQUENTLY I PROMISE IN MY IN THE COUNCIL MINUTES THIS WEEK. BUT IT WAS IT WAS DEFINITELY A WORTHWHILE TIME SPENT AND WE GOT SOME VERY GOOD FEEDBACK FROM THE CEOS AS WELL QUESTIONS ON THAT COUNCILMEMBER JUST ONE QUICK COMMENT. I APPRECIATE YOUR LEADERSHIP ON THAT AND DOING THAT. AS YOU NOTED, WE HAVE TREMENDOUSLY EXPANDED OUR OUTREACH TO OUR SMALL BUSINESS COMMUNITY WHETHER THEY'RE ENTREPRENEURS STARTUP, WHETHER THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO THE NEXT GROWTH, ALL OF THOSE THINGS AND HOW WE WORK WITH THEM AND WE HAD A WHOLE PRESENTATION ON THAT OF WHERE WE WERE JUST A FEW YEARS AGO TO NOW BUT I DO THINK IT WAS RECOGNIZED BY MANY AND YOU TOOK THE LEADERSHIP ON THAT THAT WE WEREN'T DOING ENOUGH WITH OUR LARGE EMPLOYERS. AND SO THIS IS NOT A FROM MY MIND IT'S NOT EXCLUSIONARY. I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO EVEN WORRY ABOUT THAT. THIS IS INCLUSION OF ALL BUSINESSES AND THIS IS THE ONE THING THAT MAKES SENSE FOR HOW I MEAN THEY DON'T NEED A HATCH GRANT NO, GIVE ME A CHIPS GRANT HERE OR THERE BUT BUT NOT A HATCH GRANT SO I MEAN IT'S JUST WHAT IS THE RIGHT THING FOR THE FOR THE AUDIENCE AND THIS IS ABSOLUTELY THE RIGHT THING AND I JUST THINK THE POWER OF THEM BEING IN A ROOM TOGETHER AND BEING ABLE TO KIND OF COME TOGETHER ON ON DIRECTION AND INFORM OUR LEGISLATIVE POLICIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT IS GOING TO BE TREMENDOUSLY BENEFICIAL FOR THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ONE OF THE DRIVING THINGS WITH THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION WITH WHEN WE WERE PLANNING IT IS THAT UNLESS THESE FOLKS HAVE A REASON TO BE TOGETHER, THEY DIDN'T THEY DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW EACH OTHER. AND I HEARD FROM ONE OF THE ONE OF THE CEOS THAT EVEN AFTER THAT HE'S GOT LIKE A HALF DOZEN ONE ON ONES WITH THESE FOLKS ALREADY LINED UP AND IT'S THAT KIND OF JUST THE BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS. I MEAN TO USE THE EXAMPLE THE THE THE TIME YOU WANT TO YOU DON'T THE FIRST TIME YOU SPEAK TO A REPORTER ISN'T WHEN THERE'S A DUMPSTER ON FIRE BEHIND YOU IT'S WHEN YOU'RE YOU KNOW WHEN YOU'VE GOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP THAT RELATIONSHIP THE FIRST TIME THAT THOSE FOLKS GET TOGETHER AND MEET EACH OTHER SHOULDN'T BE IN A TIME OF CRISIS OR THE TIME WHEN WE ALL GET TOGETHER AS A GROUP OR WITH THE CITY SHOULDN'T BE IN A TIME OF CRISIS. AND SO WE WERE LOOKING FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP THOSE RELATIONSHIPS AHEAD OF TIME. SO YEAH, TIME WELL-SPENT FOR ME I'M GOING TO BE WE'RE GOING TO PASS COUNCIL THAT WE HAVE ANYTHING COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN AND THEN COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO I'LL TRY TO GET A QUICK JUST YOU KNOW FOR THE HATCH JUDGE THING IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT I'M YOU KNOW SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO DO IT. I'M CERTAINLY WILLING TO DO THAT. I'M SO I'VE GOT TOO MANY OTHER THINGS ON MY MY PLATE SO IF IF ANOTHER COUNCILMEMBER WANTS TO DO THAT THEY COULD THEY CAN TAKE IT OUT. I GOT IT. I GOT A LETTER IN THE MAIL HERE ABOUT OUR OUR BIG AND THEIR QUESTION IS AROUND AND I'LL ASK THE STAFF MAYBE RESPOND TO THIS BUT THAT THE THE BATHROOMS SITUATION OVER THERE THEIR UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S SOMEHOW PREDATORY TO KIDS AND I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE RESPOND THAT THAT IT ISN'T THAT WAY IN TERMS OF HOW WE'RE SET. I DON'T I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW BUT I'LL LET STAFF RESPOND TO THAT. DO IS THIS A SIGNED LETTER WITH SOMEBODY WE CAN CONTACT? YEP. I WILL TRUST STAFF TO TO RESPOND APPROPRIATELY. YEP. YEAH BUT I WANT TO JUST YOU KNOW I WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT I, I WENT OVER THERE. I SAW THE PLANS. I DID NOT SEE ANYTHING TO THAT AND I'M JUST USING THE WORD PREDATORY BUT TO YOUNG PEOPLE BUT TO TO SUMMARIZE WHAT THEY'RE SAYING BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING LIKE THAT SO I'LL ASK THE STAFF RESPOND TO THAT. AND THEN THE LAST THING THAT I HAD IS I WANTED STAFF JUST TO COMMENT ON THE P CARD PROCESS FOR OUR FOR OUR COUNCIL. IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE A QUICK UPDATE ABOUT THAT AND WHERE THAT'S AT. YEAH. MR. MAYOR OR COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH EACH COUNCILMEMBER OTHER THAN THE MAYOR TO COLLECT POSTCARDS BACK FROM EACH INDIVIDUAL COUNCILMEMBER PRIMARILY ONE IT WASN'T BEING UTILIZED THAT MUCH TO IF IT WAS BEING UTILIZED PRIMARY FOR CONSEQUENCES IS IT JUST TOOK SOME TIME TO CHASE DOWN RECEIPTS AND GET IT RECONCILED IN A TIMELY MANNER THAT WE NEEDED TO DO GET FOR FINANCE. AND SO I ACTUALLY COLLECTED TWO TONIGHT FROM COUNCILMEMBER CARTER AND COUNCILMEMBER MOI. I THINK I HAVE ONE MORE TO COLLECT BUT THAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION IS JUST TO GET CARDS BACK FROM ELECTED OFFICIALS. WE COULD DEFINITELY REVISIT THIS IF IT'S NOT WORKING OR NOT PREFERRED BUT THAT WAS THE PROCESS THAT WAS HAPPENING WITH THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER. I APPRECIATE YOU BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME SOME SOME CONFUSION ON THAT. YEAH. I'LL JUST SAY ONE LAST THING I JUST HOPE THAT WE CAN NOW AS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD TIGHTEN UP THE PROCESS BY WHICH TO GET PAID AS A COUNCIL MEMBER AS A PART OF THIS PROCESS. IT TOOK A YEAR FOR ME TO GET PAID FOR ONE OF MY MY THINGS SO I'M JUST HOPING WE CAN TIGHTEN THAT PROCESS UP AND THAT WE'RE WE'RE TRANSPARENT AND WE'RE BEING EQUITABLE AMONG ALL COUNCILMEMBERS AND COUNCIL MEMBER COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO MR. MAYOR, I WAS GOING TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THE STATE OF THE CITY STATE OF THE CITY COMING UP. IF WE WAIT UNTIL THE 17TH WE WON'T GIVE PEOPLE A LOT OF TIME TO PLAN TO BE THERE. >> THAT IS CORRECT. STATE OF THE CITY IS MARCH 21ST. RADISSON BLU 11 TO 1. YOU ARE ALL OF COUR INVITED. WE'D LOVE TO SEE EVERYBODY THERE AND EXTEND THE INVITATION TO YOUR NETWORKS FAR AND WIDE. WE WANT AS MANY PEOPLE THERE AS POSSIBLE. I THINK WE'RE IN THE BIG ROOM AT RADISSON BLU SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FILL IT UP AND MAKE IT WORTHWHILE IF YOU HAVEN'T FOR FOLKS WHO HAVEN'T BEEN OR WHO DON'T KNOW THE STATE OF THE CITY, IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR WHAT'S GOING ON WITHIN THE CITY TO RECOGNIZE SOME OUTSTANDING PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. ACTUALLY THE THEME THIS YEAR IS THE BEST OF BLOOMINGTON AND WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON RESIDENTS CITY EMPLOYEES, STUDENTS BUSINESSES THE PEOPLE WHO REPRESENT THE BEST OF BLOOMINGTON AND WE ARE GOING TO FOCUS THEM FOCUS ON THEM. WE ALWAYS HAVE A GOOD TIME IF YOU'VE BEEN TO THAT EVENT IN THE PAST WE ALWAYS HAVE FUN AND I FULLY EXPECT IT TO BE THE CASE AGAIN THIS YEAR AND THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME OF THAT AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT IT ALL OUR INVITED TICKETS ARE AVAILABLE THROUGH I THINK ON THE WEBSITE GO TO THE CITY WEBSITE. I'M SURE THERE'S A REGISTRATION LINK THERE SOMEWHERE BUT I WOULD AGAIN ENCOURAGE I KNOW ALL OF YOU WILL BE THERE IF YOU ARE ABLE TO BUT EXTEND IT TO YOUR NETWORKS AS WELL. INVITE AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU CAN. LET'S GET FOLKS THERE AND LET'S REALLY SHARE ALL THE GOOD THINGS THAT WE'VE GOT GOING IN BLOOMINGTON AND AND GET THE WORD OUT THERE SO THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE COUNCIL COUNCIL WE ARE AT THE END OF OUR AGENDA. I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN THIS EVENING SOME OF THE SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER CARTER TO ADJOURN THIS EVENING NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO COUNCIL THANKS FOR THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT. WELL DONE STAFF THANK YOU ALL AND THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY WHO WATCHED AND PARTICIPATED AT HOME. HAVE A GREAT REST OF YOUR WEEK. ENJOY YOUR TUESDAY