>>ALAN CLENDENIN: -- INVOLVED IN THAT. I APPRECIATE YOUR DEDICATION AND WILLINGNESS TO HELP THE CITY OF TAMPA GROW. CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE. >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE. >>LUIS VIERA: HERE. >>BILL CARLSON: HERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE. >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. A COUPLE OF NOTES. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE AND A LOT OF PASSION HERE TODAY. JUST LIKE EARLIER WHEN I WAS TALKING, THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATION. KIND OF LIKE A COURT ROOM, WE'RE KIND OF EXPECTED TO BE QUIET BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE LISTENING TO THE CONVERSATIONS. OUR CLERK IS HERE LISTENING TO THE CONVERSATION, THE STAFF IS LISTENING, THEY NEED TO HEAR. WE NEED TO HEAR WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING SO WE CAN MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS POSSIBLE. IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK, IF YOU COULD GO OUT TO THE ELEVATOR LOBBY AND YOU CAN SPEAK AS MUCH AS YOU WANT. IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM SPEAKING. ALSO, OUR ATTORNEY WILL READ SOME RULES, TOO. NO APPLAUSE NO CLICKING, NONE OF THAT STUFF EITHER. WE LISTEN AND WE LEARN. I'LL PREFACE THIS WITH SOME STUFF AND GO OUT ON A LIMB A LITTLE BIT. WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THIS THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING. IT'S BEEN WELL RECEIVED. WE READ ALL OF YOUR E-MAILS, THOSE OF YOU LISTENING. WE'VE HAD MANY -- IN FACT, MANY MEMBERS OF COUNCIL HAVE ATTENDED THE MEETINGS WHICH IS NOT A REQUIREMENT, BUT WE HAVE DONE THAT BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE A PART OF THE PROCESS AND LISTEN TO WHAT MEMBERS ARE SAYING. I KNOW THAT THE FOLKS -- MY TRUSTED ADVISORS ARE NOT SHARE. YES, I'M LOOKING AT STEPHANIE POYNOR. THEY SHARE THEIR INFORMATION WILDLY AND LOUDLY. WE ARE ALL HEARING. THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL. WE'RE ALL TRYING TO FIND THE BEST POSSIBLE PRODUCT AS WE MOVE FORWARD AS THE CITY OF TAMPA. I THINK IT'S PROBABLY MORE LIKELY THAN NOT THAT THIS WILL NOT BE THE FINAL MEETING OF THIS PARTICULAR PLAN. I SUSPECT THAT THE WILL OF THIS COUNCIL WILL BE TO CONTINUE THIS PRODUCT TO A LATER DATE. THAT BEING SAID, WHAT I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, CITY OF TAMPA AND EVERYBODY SITTING AT THE DAIS WOULD APPRECIATE, WHEN YOU COME BEFORE US TONIGHT AND SPEAK, LISTEN TO WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS PRESENTING. AND CHANGES, IF YOU HAVE VERY -- IF YOU HAVE PASSION ABOUT PARTICULAR ITEMS, THE MORE SPECIFIC THAT YOU CAN BE WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED BECAUSE GENERALITIES ARE REALLY VERY TOUGH TO DEAL WITH. WHEN YOU COME BEFORE COUNCIL AND YOU'RE TALKING, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO SAY THIS IS WHAT WE LIKE ABOUT THE PLAN, THIS IS WHAT WE DON'T LIKE IN A VERY SPECIFIC WAY. IF YOU DON'T ACCOMPLISH THAT TONIGHT, E-MAIL IT TO US. E-MAIL IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. REALLY, BULLET POINTS WOULD BE GREAT, IF YOU CAN IDENTIFY LINES. I'VE ALREADY WORKED THROUGH THAT. >> CAN'T HEAR YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: VERY SPECIFIC E-MAIL. AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE'RE HOPING TO PRODUCE THE BEST PRODUCT WE CAN, NOT JUST FOR THE PEOPLE THAT CURRENTLY LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA BUT OUR CHILDREN AND THE PEOPLE LIVING HERE LONG AFTER WE ARE GONE. CHARLIE AND I WILL BE GONE. I'LL BE GONE. CHARLIE WILL STILL BE HERE. HE'S LIKE A COCKROACH. HE'S NEVER GOING AWAY. THAT BEING SAID, I'LL HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN THE WORKSHOP. WE'LL COMBINE THE WORKSHOP AND THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR NUMBER 2. THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA TO OPEN ONE AND TWO. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. ALL OPPOSED? I THINK THE BEST WAY WE'LL DO THIS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS GOING TO DO THEIR PRESENTATION AND THEN WE'LL HAVE Q & A FROM CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY -- BECAUSE WE'VE OPENED THEM UP, GENERALLY WE DON'T DO THE PUBLIC COMMENT -- WHAT I AGREED TO SOME OF THE FOLKS HAVE SPEAKER WAIVER FORMS. WHEN WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT, IF YOU WISH TO HAVE ADDITIONAL TIME, SPEAKER WAIVER FORMS. MARTY SHELBY WILL COVER THIS IN A SECOND. WE'RE OPENING THEM BOTH TOGETHER. THEN WE'LL MOVE ON AFTER THAT TO ITEM 3 AND 4. THIS IS 1 AND 2 NOW AND THEN MOVE ON TO 3 AND 4. MR. SHELBY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ YOUR RULES, PLEASE? >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, VERY BRIEFLY. THIS BEING AN EVENING MEETING, PLEASE BE REMINDED THAT A TIME LIMIT OF THREE MINUTES APPLIES TO ALL SPEAKERS PROVIDING PUBLIC COMMENT, BECAUSE AS THE CHAIRMAN HAS STATED, NUMBER TWO IS A PUBLIC HEARING COMBINED WITH THE WORKSHOP IN NUMBER ONE. WHEN YOU DO COME UP, IF YOU WISH TO HAVE ADDITIONAL TIME, YOU MAY DO SO USING A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM. THOSE SPEAKER WAIVER FORMS ARE LOCATED OUTSIDE THE CHAMBERS. THERE'S ROOM THERE FOR SEVEN ADDITIONAL NAMES OF PEOPLE. IF EACH OF THE PEOPLE PUT THEIR NAME, YOUR NAME AT THE TOP, WHEN YOU STEP FORWARD TO THE PODIUM, HAND ME THE SPEAKER WAIVER FORM AND I WILL CHECK OFF THE NAMES OF THOSE PEOPLE AND THE PEOPLE WHO SIGN OR PUT THEIR NAMES LEGIBLY, PLEASE, ON THE SHEET AS I CHECK YOU OFF, YOU ARE WAIVING YOUR THREE MINUTES TO GIVE THE SPEAKER AN ADDITIONAL ONE MINUTE. THEY HAVE THREE MINUTES OF THEIR OWN. IF SEVEN PEOPLE OR MAYBE ONE PERSON, IF ONE PERSON SIGNS, FOUR MINUTES, SEVEN PEOPLE SIGN, THEY GET TEN MINUTES. THAT WAY THOSE PEOPLE WHO PUT THEIR NAME ON THE SHEET MAY ONLY USE ONE PERSON TO WAIVE THEIR TIME, IF YOU CAN PUT YOUR NAME ON MULTIPLE SHEETS OF PAPER. I KEEP THAT IN FRONT AND TRY TO KEEP TRACK. PLEASE DO DO THAT. PLEASE, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, PLEASE BE REMINDED THAT MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE TO REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR, INCLUDING MAKING VULGAR OR THREATENING REMARKS OR MAKING OR CAUSING DISRUPTIVE NOISES OR SOUNDS, SUCH AS LET'S SAY APPLAUSE. WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU PLEASE REFRAIN FROM THAT OR MAKING NOISES THAT WOULD DISRUPT THE PROCEEDING. THE CHAIR WILL RULE OUT OF ORDER ANY PERSON WHO SPEAKS WITHOUT BEING RECOGNIZED OR ATTEMPTS TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL FROM OUTSIDE THE SPEAKER WAIVER AREA WHERE WHEN THEY COME UP, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE SWORN IN. THIS IS A LEGISLATIVE MATTER. IT IS NOT QUASI-JUDICIAL. SO YOU WILL NOT HAVE TO BE SWORN, BUT YOU WILL BE RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR. PERSONS FAILING TO COMPLY WITH THE COUNCIL'S RULES MAY BE RULED OUT OF ORDER AND AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR MAY BE REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBER FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS EVENING'S MEETINGS. FINALLY, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD REFRAIN FROM ENGAGING A SPEAKER DIALOGUE, ALTHOUGH IF YOU DO HAVE QUESTIONS UNDER THE WORKSHOP SESSION, YOU WOULD BE PERMITTED TO DO THAT. IF COUNCIL DOES HAVE QUESTIONS, IN THAT YOU ARE COMBINING THE TWO ITEMS, YOU WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, COUNCIL, IF YOU DO WISH TO PERSONALLY ASK QUESTIONS OF PEOPLE TO ELICIT MORE INFORMATION THAT MIGHT BE OF USE TO YOU. I THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS YOUR POSITION TO THE CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL THAT IF YOU ASK SOMEONE A QUESTION IN THE WORKSHOP FORMAT, THAT WE LIMIT THE RESPONSE TO THREE MINUTES SO IT DOESN'T SPIRAL OUT OF CONTROL AND BECOME A PRESENTATION. THAT BEING SAID, PLANNING COMMISSION. IT IS YOUR SHOW. PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. >> [INAUDIBLE] -- TONIGHT ON THE FUTURE LAND USE SECTION. WE'VE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA PLANNING DEPARTMENT STAFF. SO I WANTED TO GIVE EVAN JOHNSON A FEW MOMENTS TO SAY SOME OPENING REMARKS. >> EVAN JOHNSON -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOLD ON ONE SECOND. CAN OUR CCTV, WHATEVER YOU GUYS ARE CALLED, CHECK OUR COUNCIL SCREENS PLEASE? OKAY. VERY GOOD. WE SHOW THE PODIUM. THE SPEAKER PODIUM. IT'S A NEW CAMERA SETUP. SOMETHING IS HAPPENING. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, DID YOU WANT THE OVERHEAD? THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CCTV, ARE YOU ABLE TO FOCUS ON THE SPEAKER PODIUM SO THEY SHOW UP ON THE TELEVISION FOR FOLKS AT HOME? EVAN ROSS IN HIGH DEFINITION, WITH THE HIGH DEFINITION CAMERAS. THERE WE GO. PERFECT. TAG, YOU'RE IT. >> EVAN JOHNSON, CITY OF TAMPA, CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT. WHILE THIS IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHOW, I DID WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT JUST TO STEP UP AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW MUCH WE'VE COLLABORATED WITH THEM THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. WE'RE EXCITED DESPITE WHAT YOU MIGHT THINK. I THINK WE'RE ALL REALLY EXCITED TO BE HERE TO HEAR FROM YOU ALL, FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE WORK WE HAVE DONE. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR TWO YEARS. THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR OVER THREE. SO THIS FEELS LIKE MY ENTIRE BEING HERE AT CITY PLANNING AT THE CITY OF TAMPA. I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THIS THING MOVING FORWARD. WE'VE BEEN COLLABORATING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION THROUGHOUT. PRETTY SURE THEY SET ASIDE OFFICE SPACE FOR US AT THEIR PLACE. IT'S BEEN A ROBUST AND PRODUCTIVE RELATIONSHIP. I'M REALLY EXCITED TO WORK WITH THEM AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH IMPLEMENTATION IN THE FUTURE. A COUPLE OF THINGS ABOUT THE PLAN, JUST TO KIND OF TAKE A STEP BACK. WE'RE PRIMARILY TALKING ABOUT ONE PART OF THE PLAN TONIGHT IN THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT, BUT ULTIMATELY THE OVERALL PLAN, ALL THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS PROVIDE THE VISION AND THE FRAMEWORK FOR PUBLIC AND PRIVATE INVESTMENTS FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS. SO WHETHER IT IS PRIVATE DEVELOPERS WHICH I KNOW WE'LL HEAR A LOT ABOUT OR PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH I ALSO KNOW WE'LL HEAR A LOT ABOUT TONIGHT, THIS IS SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE THE FRAMEWORK TO HELP US GROW MORE EFFICIENTLY AND MORE RESILIENT AND IN A MORE AFFORDABLE WAY. WE'VE BEEN HERE A LOT TO TALK ABOUT ALL OF THOSE ISSUES IN VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS. THIS REALLY IS THAT OVERARCHING FRAMEWORK TO DO SO. THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN INFORMED BY NOT ONLY PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. I KNOW MELISSA WILL TALK A LOT ABOUT THAT IN HER PRESENTATION. NOT TOO MUCH, BUT A LOT. IT'S ALSO BEEN INFORMED BY A LOT OF WORK THAT THE CITY HAS DONE OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. DIFFERENT PLANNING EFFORTS, INCLUDING THE MOVES PLAN, THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN, THE COASTAL AREA ACTION PLAN AND HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT JUST TO NAME A FEW OF THEM. ALL OF THOSE HAVE EITHER BEEN ONGOING OR HELPED INFORM DIRECTLY THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE HAVE IN THE PLAN, THIS ELEMENT AND ALL THE OTHERS. WITH THAT, THE ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION WAS THAT I TALKED ABOUT IMPLEMENTATION. ONE OF THE FIRST AND MOST IMPORTANT IMPLEMENTATION STEPS WHEN WE UPDATE THE PLAN AND ADOPT IT IS GOING TO BE THE UPDATE TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO THAT PROCESS HAS STARTED. WE'VE GOT ASSESSMENTS GOING ON. WE'VE GOT SOME INITIAL THOUGHTS FROM THE CONSULTANT TEAM. BUT ULTIMATELY THAT IS THE TOOL KIT, THAT ADOPTED CODE AND UPDATED ORDINANCE IS THE TOOL KIT THAT IMPLEMENTS THE LAND USE VISION IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO KEEP THAT IN MIND BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF INNOVATIVE, INTERESTING POLICY IN HERE THAT ULTIMATELY WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. SO I THINK WE'RE SETTING THE STAGE TONIGHT. MOVING FORWARD WE'LL PUT THE RIGHT TOOL KIT IN PLACE AND I BELIEVE WE'LL GET BETTER OUTCOMES AS A RESULT. WITH THAT, I'LL HAND IT BACK TO MELISSA BECAUSE IT IS HER SHOW. >> THANK YOU, EVAN. IT REALLY HAS BEEN A GREAT COLLABORATION WITH EVAN AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS CITY LEGAL IN COMING UP WITH THIS DRAFT. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS JUST STEPPING BACK AND TALKING ABOUT THE APPROACH TO THE UPDATE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN MANY YEARS THAT WE HAVE DONE A WHOLESALE REVIEW AND REVISION OF TAMPA'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND INCLUSIVE OF THAT, THE FUTURE LAND USE SECTION. THERE IS A MAJOR EFFORT TO TRY TO STREAMLINE AND UPDATE, MODERNIZE THE LANGUAGE THAT IS WITHIN THE PLAN, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE CONCEPTS THAT ARE WITHIN THAT BUILDING UPON WHAT IS WORKING WITHIN THE PLAN AND TWEAKING THOSE THINGS THAT ARE NOT. AS I THINK YOU ALL HAVE HEARD US TALK ABOUT IT, SEVERAL OF THE PRESENTATIONS, IT IS OUR CHARGE TO UPDATE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO ACCOMMODATE A 20-YEAR PROJECTED POPULATION. SO WE LOOKED OUT TO 2045. THAT CALLS FOR ANOTHER APPROXIMATELY 74,000 MORE PEOPLE TO BE HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA. I'VE SAID AT MANY PRESENTATIONS, THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE TODAY COULD ACCOMMODATE THAT POPULATION. THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP HAS ON THE MAP ENOUGH DENSITY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. BUT A LOT OF THE AREAS ARE NOT BUILT OUT AT THE DENSITY THAT THE PLAN ALLOWS. SO, YES, THE PLAN COULD ACCOMMODATE THAT POPULATION IF WE REDEVELOPED A LOT OF THE RESIDENTIAL 10 AND MADE IT TEN UNITS PER ACRE. WHAT WE'VE HEARD THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN THAT PEOPLE DON'T NECESSARILY WANT THAT. THEY DON'T WANT THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS, INTERNAL TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. THEY WANT MORE PREDICTABILITY ABOUT WHERE THAT COULD GO SO IT'S NOT SO HODGEPODGE THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WHAT WE TRIED TO DO IN THIS UPDATE WAS INCENTIVIZE GROWTH, BECAUSE WE CAN'T TAKE DENSITY OFF OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, AS I'M SURE YOU'VE HEARD US SAY BEFORE ALSO, UNDER STATE STATUTE, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO REDUCE THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS. BUT WHAT WE CAN DO, THE TOOL IN OUR TOOLBOX IS TO INCENTIVIZE THE GROWTH, TO GO PLACES WHERE WE WANT IT. AND INCENTIVIZE THAT WHERE A DEVELOPMENT IS WILLING TO PROVIDE SOME PUBLIC BENEFIT. WE HEARD A LOT THAT PEOPLE DID NOT WANT US TO GIVE DENSITY AWAY FOR FREE. SO WE TRIED TO ALIGN OBTAINING A PUBLIC BENEFIT WITH THOSE DENSITY INCENTIVES. THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, AS ALREADY MENTIONED, WE WORKED CLOSELY WITH CITY STAFF BUT ALSO THE RESIDENTS AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS. THAT WAS A REALLY IMPORTANT PROCESS, AND I'LL COVER THE OUTREACH A BIT MORE IN-DEPTH. BECAUSE THIS IS A WHOLESALE UPDATE OF THE FUTURE LAND USE SECTION, WE DO HAVE SEVEN REVISED GOALS WITHIN THE FUTURE LAND USE SECTION. AND I THINK WHAT YOU'LL HEAR TONIGHT IS THAT THE CONCERNS ARE NARROW WITHIN THIS. IT'S NOT CONCERN ABOUT ALL SEVEN GOALS. IT'S CONCERN LARGELY ABOUT A COUPLE OF THE POLICIES WITHIN A COUPLE OF GOALS. SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS HERE THAT I THINK THERE'S SOME AGREEMENT ON AND THAT THERE IS A LOT OF POSITIVE MOMENTUM BEHIND. SO JUST TO QUICKLY REFRESH, GOAL ONE FOCUSES ON CITIZEN PARTICIPATION IN THE PLANNING PROCESS BECAUSE THAT IS THE FOUNDATION OF WHAT OUR PLAN SHOULD BE BUILT ON. GOAL TWO IS I THINK WHERE WE'LL PROBABLY HEAR A LOT OF THE COMMENTS TONIGHT ABOUT TRYING TO DIRECT THAT GROWTH, USING DENSITY INCENTIVES AND A NEW DENSITY BONUS STRUCTURE. GOAL THREE ESTABLISHES THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES. GOAL 4 TALKS ABOUT SOME OF OUR KEY ASSETS AND RECOGNIZING THOSE, PRESERVING THOSE, MAKING SURE THAT NOTHING DETRIMENTAL HAPPENS TO THEM. AND IT ALSO INCLUDES SOME NEW POLICIES ON RETENTION OF INDUSTRIAL LANDS. GOAL FIVE TALKS ABOUT ENHANCING TAMPA'S CHARACTER THROUGH URBAN DESIGN, BUILDING UPON POLICIES THAT ARE IN THE PLAN TODAY TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED DESIGN ALONG OUR MAJOR CORRIDORS. GOAL SIX FOCUSES A LOT OF THE POLICY THAT IS TODAY THROUGHOUT THE PLAN ABOUT HISTORIC RESOURCES IN ONE GOAL. AND THEN GOAL SEVEN TALKS ABOUT THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND THE VULNERABILITY OF THAT AREA AND THE NEED TO DIRECT GROWTH AWAY FROM THAT AREA. WE'VE DONE A LOT OF OUTREACH AND HAD A LOT OF INPUT THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. BEFORE YOUR MEETING IN MAY, WE HAD HAD OVER 30 MEETINGS. WE HAD FIVE WORKSHOPS AND PRESENTATIONS WITH YOU ALL. WE HEARD ABOUT A LOT OF THOSE ISSUES THAT EVAN SPOKE ABOUT, ABOUT THE NEED FOR MORE HOUSING CHOICES AND HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROCESS. WE WERE AT THE HEIGHT OF THE HOUSING CRUNCH, AND THAT WAS A PRIMARY ISSUE THAT FOLKS WANTED US TO ADDRESS. WE ALSO HEARD ABOUT THE NEED FOR MORE TRANSPORTATION CHOICES AS WELL AS WE'RE DEALING WITH CONTINUED CONGESTION IN THE CITY. AND THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT MAINTAINING ENVIRONMENTAL ASSETS AND HAVING MORE CLARITY TO SOME OF THE AREAS THAT ARE IN THE PLAN TODAY A BIT VAGUE. THEN WE HAD OUR HEARING IN MAY WITH YOU ALL. YOU ASKED US TO GO BACK OUT TO THE PUBLIC TO GET SOME ADDITIONAL INPUT ON TWO ISSUES -- THE LOCATION OF TOWNHOMES IN THE RESIDENTIAL 10 FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY, AND THE TRANSIT READY CORRIDORS AND THE EXTENT TO WHICH THERE SHOULD BE DENSITY BONUSES ALONG THOSE. SO WE HEARD FROM A LOT OF FOLKS AND GOT A LOT OF REALLY GREAT INPUT. WE ATTENDED 15 MEETINGS, FOUR OF THOSE BEING THE COUNCIL DIRECTED DISTRICT MEETINGS. BUT WITH YOUR HELP AND SUPPORT, WE WERE ABLE TO MEET INDIVIDUALLY WITH A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS. REALLY APPRECIATE THAT A LOT OF YOU ALL WERE AT THOSE MEETINGS. THAT REALLY SHOWED THE SUPPORT OF COUNCIL IN THIS PROCESS. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. WE ALSO HAD AN ONLINE SURVEY THAT HAD 534 UNIQUE PARTICIPANTS IN IT. SO OVERALL, WE GOT NEARLY 1800 COMMENTS ON THESE TWO TOPICS, WHICH WAS GREAT. FOR A PLANNING PROJECT TO GET THAT KIND OF INPUT IS REALLY KIND OF REMARKABLE. WE'RE VERY THRILLED TO HAVE THAT INPUT, AND WE HEARD SOME COMMON THREADS. WE HEARD THAT PEOPLE WANT TO PROTECT THEIR SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE AND FOLKS WHO WERE IMPACTED BY LAST YEAR'S STORMS, STILL FEELING THOSE IMPACTS AND BEING CONCERNED ABOUT HOW WE WERE GOING TO ADDRESS THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND RESILIENCY NEEDS OF THE CITY. WE HEARD THAT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE ATTACHED SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS CLOSER TO THE MAJOR ARTERIALS AND TRANSIT READY CORRIDORS AND PEOPLE PREFERRED MORE LIMITED APPLICATION OF THE DENSITY BONUSES. SO THIS IS JUST A LITTLE TIMELINE OF THE MEETINGS. WE HAD THE FOUR DISTRICT MEETINGS, ONE VIRTUAL KICKOFF AND THEN WE PARTICIPATED IN NINE OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS. AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND HELP IN THOSE. SO THE FIRST TOPIC THAT WE HAVE SOME REVISIONS FOR YOU TONIGHT ON IS THE ISSUE OF TOWNHOMES IN THE RESIDENTIAL TEN LAND USE CATEGORY. WE ASKED FOR FEEDBACK ON THIS AND FOLKS WERE PRESENTED WITH FOUR OPTIONS. THE TOP CHOICE WAS PRETTY UNANIMOUS ACROSS BOTH THE SURVEY AND THE IN-PERSON ATTENDEES AT THE MEETINGS, THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT NARROWED TO WITHIN A 16th OF A MILE OF THE TRANSIT-READY CORRIDOR BOUNDARIES. STAFF HAS UPDATED THAT POLICY TO STATE THAT TOWNHOMES SHOULD PRIMARILY BE LOCATED WITHIN A 16th OF A MILE OF AN ARTERIAL ROADWAY. THIS REDUCED THE AREA FROM APPLYING TO 22,400 PARCELS IN THE PREVIOUS DRAFT TO NOW 5,400 PARCELS. IT WAS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION BY 76%. WE ALSO REMOVED FROM THIS PROPOSAL IDEA THAT HAD BEEN INCLUDED ABOUT ALLOWING PEOPLE TO ROUND UP THEIR DENSITY IN THAT AREA. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HEARD PEOPLE WERE NOT IN FAVOR OF, FOUND CONFUSING. SO WE REMOVED THAT AS WELL. THESE UPDATES AND THE POLICY LANGUAGE THAT'S PROPOSED WE BELIEVE IT IS CLEAR THAT IT DOES NOT SUPERSEDE ANYTHING THAT IS ALREADY ENABLED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THERE ARE SOME AREAS IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS THAT HAVE A SPECIALIZED CODE THAT ENABLES ATTACHED SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS IN SOME AREAS OF RESIDENTIAL 10. IT ALSO DOES NOT PRECLUDE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FROM PERHAPS ADDING TO OTHER AREAS TO BE SIMILARLY CONSIDERED, OR ANYONE FROM ASKING FOR A REZONING OUTSIDE OF THAT 16th OF A MILE. IF THEY FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES, PERHAPS THEY ARE IN AN AREA ADJACENT TO SOME VERY INTENSE DEVELOPMENT, THEY CAN STILL COME AND ASK COUNCIL FOR THAT REZONING. FINALLY, IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT RELATIONSHIP TO THE TOWNHOMES AND ATTACHED SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS, IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE DENSITY. THIS IS JUST TALKING ABOUT THE FORM THAT THE RESIDENTIAL 10 DENSITY TAKES. TODAY, PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TEN UNITS PER ACRE ON THEIR PROPERTY. THEY WOULD STILL BE ALLOWED 10 UNITS PER ACRE ON THEIR PROPERTY. IT'S JUST TALKING ABOUT WHERE THE CITY IS DESIRING TO SEE THAT PERHAPS TAKE A FORM WHERE THEY ARE ATTACHED UNITS. I HAVE A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES BECAUSE I THINK IT'S HELPFUL FOR ME TO VISUALIZE THINGS ON A MAP AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE POLICY. HERE WE ARE LOOKING AT HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE. THIS IS 275 AND 40th STREET. THE BLUE IS THE PRIOR POLICY BEING APPLIED ON THE MAP. YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE WERE A NUMBER OF ROADWAYS LIKE 15th STREET. I BELIEVE THIS IS HANNA AND THIS IS OSBORNE. THOSE WERE ALL COLLECTOR ROADWAYS. SO THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY INCLUDED IN THE CRITERIA. THE NEW CRITERIA, WHICH IS REPRESENTED HERE IN THE PINK, BECAUSE WE REMOVED COLLECTOR ROADWAYS, THOSE ARE TAKEN OFF OF THE MAP. THE NEXT EXAMPLE I HAVE IS AN AREA, WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT AT ONE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS IN NEW SUBURB BEAUTIFUL. WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT MORRISON. SO I FOCUSED IN ON THAT AREA HERE. AGAIN, THE BLUE, SHOWING PLACES NOT ONLY WHERE IT WAS ALLOWED ALONG A COLLECTOR ROADWAY, BUT ALSO AREAS THAT YOU COULD SEE CAME INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE IT WAS ADJACENT TO HIGHER DENSITY LAND USE CATEGORIES. AND THAT WAS MAKING FOR SOME STRANGE PATTERNS. BY REMOVING BOTH OF THE CRITERIA, YOU CAN SEE HOW IT'S BEEN LIMITED IN THIS AREA. SO THE NEXT TOPIC THAT YOU ASKED US TO LOOK INTO WAS THE TRANSIT READY CORRIDORS AND THE APPLICABILITY OF HOW THE DENSITY BONUSES SHOULD BE HANDLED ALONG THOSE CORRIDORS. WE PROVIDED THREE OPTIONS TO THE COMMUNITY. AND INTERESTINGLY, WE HAD A BIT OF A SPLIT IN THE TOP CHOICES. IN THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, THE TOP CHOICE WAS AN 8th OF A MILE OF THOSE ROADWAYS, BUT NOT ALLOWING THE BONUS IN THE RESIDENTIAL 10 LAND USE CATEGORY. AND ONLINE, THE TOP CHOICE WAS WITHIN A 16th OF A MILE. SO WE CAME UP WITH A BIT OF A HYBRID APPROACH ON THIS. WE TOOK A CLOSER STUDY OF ALL OF THE CORRIDORS AND IDENTIFIED THAT ALL OF THOSE CORRIDORS TODAY IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ARE CALLED TRANSIT EMPHASIS CORRIDORS. THAT'S AN ADOPTED CONCEPT THAT CALLS FOR THOSE ROADWAYS TO HAVE A PRIORITY TOWARDS HAVING BETTER DESIGN AND WALKABILITY. AND WE THOUGHT THAT WAS WORTH RETAINING FOR ALL OF THESE CORRIDORS. OF COURSE, HAVING TRCs AND TECs GETS PRETTY CONFUSING, SO WE UPDATED THE NAME TO CALL THEM MULTIMODAL CORRIDORS. THEN WE LOOKED AT THE LAND USE CONTEXT, ROADWAY CLASSIFICATION AND THE FEEDBACK WE GOT FROM THE COMMUNITY AND REMOVED FROM ELIGIBILITY SOME OF THE CORRIDORS FROM HAVING THAT DENSITY BONUS. WE REMOVED 15th STREET, HENDERSON BOULEVARD, MANHATTAN AVENUE, GANDY BOULEVARD, NORTH ARMENIA AVENUE NORTH OF BUSCH BOULEVARD AND HOWARD AVENUE SOUTH OF SWANN. WE ALSO NARROWED THE DEPTH OF THESE CORRIDORS IN THE RESIDENTIAL 10 LAND USE CATEGORY. WE NARROWED IT TO A 16th OF A MILE. THE COMBINATION OF ALL OF THOSE CHANGES RESULTED IN A 33% REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF PARCELS INCLUDED IN THE BONUS AREAS. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, A MULTIMODAL CORRIDOR IS A PLACE THAT FOSTERS A BUILT ENVIRONMENT THAT SUPPORTS WALKING, BIKING, TRANSIT USAGE. IT HAS ENHANCED DESIGN AND THE MIX OF USES THAT SUPPORTS THAT. ROADS THAT ONLY HAVE THAT CLASSIFICATION WOULD NOT HAVE THE DENSITY BONUS. THE AREAS FOR THE DENSITY BONUS ARE A SUBSET OF THE MULTIMODAL CORRIDORS. YOU CAN SEE THAT SORT OF ON THIS MAP. IT MIGHT BE HARD TO SEE, BUT THE ROADWAYS THAT WERE REMOVED FROM HAVING THE DENSITY BONUS, YOU CAN SEE IN SORT OF A LIGHT YELLOW LINE. AND THE DENSITY BONUS AREAS ARE NOW SHOWN IN BLUE. I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF ZOOM-INS THAT WILL ILLUSTRATE THIS FURTHER. HERE IS THE AREA, NORTH ARMENIA AND BUSCH BOULEVARD AREA. SO THIS IS BUSCH BOULEVARD. THIS IS ARMENIA. HERE WE HAVE 275, AND THIS IS WATERS. THE BLUE, AGAIN, IS WHAT WAS PROPOSED PREVIOUSLY. THE RED IS THE NEW PROPOSAL. YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE REMOVED FROM NORTH ARMENIA BOULEVARD THE ELIGIBILITY FOR A DENSITY BONUS COMPLETELY. YOU ALSO CAN SEE ALONG, SAY, WATERS AVENUE AND BUSCH HOW THE NARROWING TO A 16th OF A MILE IN THE RESIDENTIAL 10 NARROWS THE APPLICABILITY OF THOSE BONUSES ALONG THOSE CORRIDORS. THE NEXT EXAMPLE IS IN SOUTH TAMPA WHERE WE HAVE MANHATTAN, GANDY, AND DALE MABRY. AGAIN, THE BLUE IS THE PRIOR PROPOSAL AND THE RED IS THE NEW. YOU CAN SEE MANHATTAN AND GANDY TAKEN OFF. THE CORRIDOR ALONG DALE MABRY HAS NARROWED TO A 16th OF A MILE WHERE IT WAS RESIDENTIAL 10. I JUST WANT TO NOTE BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S PROBABLY BEEN A LOT OF FEEDBACK ABOUT US EVEN RETAINING ANY CORRIDORS IN SOUTH TAMPA. DALE MABRY IS A MAJOR ROADWAY CONNECTING VERY VITAL EMPLOYMENT CENTER IN OUR CITY OF MACDILL AIR FORCE BASE. THERE IS TRANSIT SERVICE ALONG THAT CORRIDOR. FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT, WE FELT THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT REASON TO RETAIN THOSE OPPORTUNITIES. JUST A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT NOTES REGARDING THE BONUSES, AGAIN, THIS APPROACH WAS TO TRY TO FOCUS GROWTH AND INCENTIVIZE IT TO THE PLACES WHERE WE WANT IT TO GO AND TO WHERE -- AND IN A WAY THAT PROVIDES A PUBLIC BENEFIT. WE HEARD A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT HOW PEOPLE ARE COMING IN AND ASKING FOR PLAN AMENDMENTS TO INCREASE DENSITY, AND THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL PUBLIC BENEFIT TO THAT PLAN AMENDMENT. THEY JUST GET THAT DENSITY. AND THAT THROUGH A BONUS STRUCTURE, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE SOME PUBLIC BENEFIT WITH THAT. THE BONUSES ARE NOT AUTOMATIC. THEY WOULD STILL UNDER THE CURRENT LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THEY WOULD REQUIRE A REZONING AND A PUBLIC HEARING IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL. THEY ALSO IN ALL CASES, THE BONUSES THAT ARE PROPOSED ARE NOT ALLOWED WITHIN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA. WE RECOGNIZE THAT IS OUR MOST VULNERABLE AREA AND A PLACE WHERE WE SHOULD NOT BE DIRECTING ADDITIONAL GROWTH. THERE ARE A FEW AREAS THAT ARE CALLED OUT FROM THAT. THOSE ARE THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT AREAS, AREAS LIKE DOWNTOWN, WESTSHORE, AND THE CRAs WHERE WE HAVE VISIONS FOR ADDITIONAL GROWTH ALIGNING WITH THE REGIONAL ACTIVITY CENTERS AND THOSE CRA PLANS. LASTLY, FOR THOSE WATCHING AT HOME OR HAVEN'T GONE TO THE WEBSITE, THIS IS THE WEBSITE WHERE THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION. INTERACTIVE MAP WHERE PEOPLE CAN ZOOM IN. THAT'S WHAT WE USED TO MAKE THE ZOO-INS AND SEE HOW THIS IMPACTS THEIR PROPERTY. WE ALSO HAVE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN SIGN UP FOR E-MAILS FROM US. AS WE CONTINUE THROUGH THAT PROCESS, I WOULD ENCOURAGE FOLKS INTERESTED TO SIGN UP FOR OUR E-MAIL LIST SO THEY CONTINUE TO GET UPDATES ON THE PLAN. FINAL REMINDER, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID FIND THIS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SUPPORTED TRANSMITTAL TO THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND HAVE MY FABULOUS TEAM OF STAFF, WHO HAVE WORKED SO HARD ON THIS WITH ME, TO HELP ME TONIGHT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'LL START WITH A COMMENT. I'VE SEEN IT. I KNOW HOW HARD YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING. THE HEART AND SOUL YOU HAVE PUT INTO THIS PROJECT. REALLY, AS FAR AS PUBLIC SERVANTS, YOU HAVE BEEN EXTRAORDINARY. WHETHER PEOPLE AGREE WITH SOME OF THE FINAL PRODUCTS OR NOT, NOBODY CAN DOUBT THE AMOUNT OF EFFORT AND WHAT YOU ALL HAVE ATTEMPTED TO DO WITH ALL POSITIVE INTENT. I NEVER EVEN DETECTED ANYTHING OTHER THAN POSITIVE INTENT. AGAIN IT MAY NOT BE IN LINE WITH MAYBE SOME FOLKS SITTING UP HERE, SITTING BEHIND YOU, WHAT THEY THINK. IF I EVER DOUBTED ANYBODY WORKING ON THE PLAN, HAS DONE SO WITH THEIR COMPLETE HEART AND SOUL. THANK YOU. ON BEHALF OF ALL OF US, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. I WAS REMISS IN ONE THING. SUSAN JOHNSON VELEZ HAD A COUPLE OF COMMENTS SHE WANTED TO MAKE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK BECAUSE I KNOW SHE DOES, IF SHE WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING MAYBE IN TALLAHASSEE AS WELL. >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: LEGAL DEPARTMENT. I DID WANT TO MENTION SENATE BILL 180. I BELIEVE YOU ARE AWARE OF THE LEGISLATION THAT WENT INTO EFFECT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR OUTREACH PROCESS IN THE SUMMER. WENT INTO EFFECT ON JULY 1st. IT PRECLUDES THE CITY, LIKE MANY OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IN THE STATE, FROM PROPOSING OR ADOPTING ANY MORE RESTRICTIVE OR MORE BURDENSOME, EITHER LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REGULATION OR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THIS EVENING SO THAT WOULD BE -- FALL WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF SENATE BILL 180. WE'LL BE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE STAFF TO REALLY DO A DEEP DIVE INTO THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT AND DETERMINE WHETHER SOME POLICIES WOULD CLEARLY RUN AFOUL OF THAT OR WHETHER THEY ARE CLARIFYING POLICIES AND KIND OF WHAT BUCKET THEY FALL INTO. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE -- ALL OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND OTHER MUNICIPALITIES. WE'RE ALL STRUGGLING WITH WHAT THAT TERM MORE RESTRICTIVE OR MORE BURDENSOME MEANS. I THINK EVERYBODY IS BECAUSE THERE'S VERY LITTLE GUIDANCE. I THINK IN THE WEEKS AND MONTHS TO COME, HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET MORE GUIDANCE ABOUT THAT AND WE'LL BE BETTER ABLE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ON NOT JUST THIS, BUT OTHER MATTERS THAT YOU ALL HAVE PENDING BEFORE YOU. I'LL REMIND COUNCIL, WE ARE DO BACK, THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT IS BACK AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER WITH A MORE ROBUST REPORT ON THIS MATTER. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME OR AS WE WORK OUR WAY THROUGH THE EVENING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HENCE WHY I WAS SO CONFIDENT WE WOULD CONTINUE THIS ITEM. COUNCIL, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF OR SUSAN? >>BILL CARLSON: ARE WE ASKING QUESTIONS OR MAKING OPENING STATEMENTS? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET'S ASK QUESTIONS. EWE'LL HAVE TIME TO PONTIFICATE LATER. COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: I HAVE A LOT I WANT TO SAY ABOUT THIS AND I ECHO THE THANKS TO YOU ALL FOR BEING INVOLVED IN LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC AND GOING TO ALL THE MEETINGS. YOU DIDN'T JUST GO TO YOUR MEETINGS, YOU WENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS. I WENT TO MOST OF THE MEETINGS, AS DID YOU. GREAT THAT YOU AS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WENT TOO. YOU PRESENTED THAT WE HAD TWO QUESTIONS FROM THE MAY MEETING. I REMEMBER THAT WE HAD MORE CONVERSATIONS. MAYBE WE PASSED AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT OF TWO QUESTIONS. BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, THE PUBLIC WANTED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT A LOT OF OTHER THINGS. ONE OF THE PIECES OF FEEDBACK WE HEARD WAS ON THE QUESTIONNAIRE, THAT IT WAS TOO LIMITED AND ALSO BY HAVING MULTIPLE CHOICES, THERE WERE OTHER CHOICES, LIKE NONE OF THE ABOVE THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE INPUT ON OTHER THINGS. SO I THINK EVEN THOUGH YOU DID A GREAT JOB OF GOING OUT, SOMEHOW, IF WE GAVE YOU INSTRUCTIONS TO ONLY LOOK AT TWO THINGS, THEN IT'S OUR FAULT. BUT AS WE GO FORWARD, I'M JUST MENTIONING THIS NOT TO PLACE BLAME, BUT TO SAY WHATEVER INSTRUCTIONS WE GIVE TONIGHT, WE NEED TO BE REALLY CLEAR WHAT THE CONSENSUS IS. I'M CERTAIN IT WILL BE MORE THAN TWO POINTS AND WE NEED TO REALLY LISTEN TO THE BROAD PERSPECTIVE OF THE PUBLIC AS WE GO FORWARD. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE THINK OF IT IN THAT CONTEXT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I BELIEVE YOU MADE THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF VERY HAPPY. THAT IS THEIR SPECIFIC REQUEST TOO. THEY WOULD LIKE VERY SPECIFIC GUIDANCE OF WHAT COMES OUT OF TONIGHT, NOT GENERAL COMMENTS, BUT VERY SPECIFIC GUIDANCE SO THEY CAN COME BACK WITH -- VERY GOOD. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO QUESTIONS. I WAS GOING TO SAVE MY COMMENTS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IF THAT IS THE CASE, ONE OF TWO THINGS, ANYTHING ELSE FROM STAFF? WE COULD WAIT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE ADVISABLE BEFORE COUNCIL COMMENTS PONTIFICATES. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. I'VE MET -- LIKE SEVERAL OF MY COLLEAGUES, I'VE BEEN TO ALL OF THE DISTRICT ONES BECAUSE I'M CITYWIDE AND I WENT TO MANY NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS. I THINK I WENT TO TEN OF THE MEETINGS AND HEARD PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING THROUGHOUT. IN SOME AREAS AND SOME IN NOT. ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON THIS AS WELL, IT DOES SEEM WE WILL MOST LIKELY BE CONTINUING THIS TO ALLOW FOR MORE ENGAGEMENT OR NOT EVEN MORE ENGAGEMENT, BUT A RECONFIGURATION OF THE PLAN TO ANSWER A LOT OF THE COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT. I HAVE AN OUTLINE FOR A MOTION THAT DOES THAT VERY THING, BUT WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR, AS THE CHAIR SAID, VERY SPECIFIC DETAILS ON THE TYPES OF THINGS WE WOULD WANT CHANGED. I HAVE A BASIC OUTLINE OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD OVER THE COMMENTS, BUT, AGAIN, REALLY LOOKING FOR VERY SPECIFIC THINGS. I WILL READ A COUPLE OF THINGS, BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAD A LOT OF E-MAIL ABOUT ONE SPECIFIC AREA. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE TO HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT BECAUSE THEN WE CAN TAKE THEIR INPUT AND MAKE OUR ASSESSMENTS BASED ON THE FACTS FROM LEGAL, PLANNING COMMISSION, PUBLIC AND THEN MAKE OUR DETERMINATIONS AFTER THAT, I THINK IT WOULD BE THE CLEANER WAY TO DO THAT. MR. SHELBY, DO YOU CONCUR WITH THAT ASSESSMENT? >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>LYNN HURTAK: THE ONLY REASON I SAY I WOULD LIKE TO GET A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC IS I DON'T WANT FOLKS COMING UP HERE SAYING WE DON'T WANT IT IN ONE PLACE. WE NEED TO HEAR MORE SPECIFIC FEEDBACK. >>BILL CARLSON: JUST ON THIS, I THINK IT'S WORTH US THROWING OUT LIKE A HYPOTHETICAL, THEN THE AUDIENCE CAN ALSO GIVE US FEEDBACK. ONCE WE MAKE THE STATEMENTS LATER, THEY CAN'T GIVE US FEEDBACK ON WHAT WE SAID EITHER. WE MAY SOMETHING, THEY MAY GET UP AND DISAGREE AND GIVE US A DIFFERENT WAY OF THINKING ABOUT IT. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT MAYBE EACH OF US TALK FOR TWO MINUTES TO PUT OUT INITIAL THOUGHTS AND THEN HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC AND THEN HAVE OUR FINAL COMMENTS. IT'S UP TO YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AGAIN, I DIDN'T WANT TO DRAW ANY CONCLUSIONS UNTIL WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC. WE CAN DO THAT IF THEY WOULD LIKE. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, WOULD YOU LIKE TO KICK US OFF? >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH, TWO-MINUTE TIMER IS FINE. MODIFYING TRANSIT READY CORRIDOR BONUSES TO REMOVE APPLICATION OF THE BONUS ON ALL STREETS SOUTH OF KENNEDY, FOCUSING THE TRANSIT READY CORRIDOR DENSITY INCENTIVES ON THE REST OF CENTRAL TAMPA, WESTSHORE AND THE UNIVERSITY PLANNING DISTRICTS, EVALUATE THE EXTENT TO WHICH INNOVATIVE HOUSING TOOLS LIKE THE ROUNDING POLICY CAN BE BROUGHT BACK WITH LIMITED APPLICATION AND PORTIONS OF THE CENTRAL TAMPA, WESTSHORE AND UNIVERSITY PLANNING DISTRICTS. WE, TABLE 3 FOR MAXIMUM DENSITY AND INTENSITY. WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THAT. RECONSIDER THE TOWNHOME CORRIDORS IN A DIFFERENT WAY SINCE WHAT WE HAVE HEARD THAT WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE, PEOPLE LIKE -- WHEN I SPOKE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE FACT THAT A COLOR ON A MAP IS WHAT FOLKS ARE GRAVITATING TOWARD WHEN THE LANGUAGE THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS AND THAT WE AREN'T TAKING OUT IS THAT LIMITED TOWNHOMES ARE ALLOWABLE THROUGHOUT. WE CAN'T TAKE THAT OUT SB 180. WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE WHAT WE HAVE IN BUT NOT ADDING ANY MORE IN THAT REGARD. THOSE ARE INITIAL THINGS I HEARD THAT I'D LIKE TO FOCUS TOWARD. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK THERE WAS A BIG SHIFT BETWEEN THE MEETING WE HAD BEFORE MAY AND THE VERSION THAT HAPPENED IN MAY. IT SEEMED LIKE SOMETHING MAJOR HAPPENED IN BETWEEN. I STILL HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT WHAT IT WAS. BUT THERE WAS A RADICAL SHIFT IN THE WAY THINGS WERE LOOKED AT. BY THE WAY, MY INITIAL REQUEST, AND I'M ONLY ONE OF SEVEN, BUT MY INITIAL REQUEST AND SUGGESTION, BECAUSE I USED TO DO PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT FOR A LIVING, WE GO NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE BEGINNING. WE ENDED UP GOING BACKWARD AND DOING THAT TO SOME EXTENT. EVERYBODY SEES THE BENEFIT OF DOING IT. COSTS MORE, TAKES MORE TIME. THIS NEEDS TO BE DRIVEN BY THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE AND PEOPLE THAT INVESTED THERE, NOT BY THE CONSULTANT AND NOT BY STAFF AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE CITY. THIS NEEDS TO BE DRIVEN AROUND THE PEOPLE OF OUR COMMUNITY AND THE INVESTORS IN OUR COMMUNITY, NOT BY CONSULTANTS, ESPECIALLY FROM OUTSIDE. IF WE HAD GONE NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD, WHAT I HAD SUGGESTED IS THAT WE TRY TO ASK NEIGHBORHOODS, WHERE WOULD YOU ALLOW A LITTLE POCKET OF DENSITY? WE WOULD CALL THAT A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. AND THAT IS A TERM THAT TWO PLANNERS GAVE ME. AND THAT TERM A YEAR AGO WAS IN THE PLAN AND THEN SUDDENLY BY THE MAY EDITION IT WAS OUT. THE QUESTION IS, WHO DID THAT? THEN ANOTHER TERM CALLED TRANSIT READY DEVELOPMENT THAT MEANT LITTLE NODES, TRANSPORTATION PEOPLE CALL IT NODES, NODES OF DENSITY WHERE YOU CAN HAVE TRANSIT. TRANSIT READY DEVELOPMENT SUDDENLY -- AND THAT WAS TO REPLACE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, A TERM -- SALES TAX. THESE IDEAS WERE TAKEN OUT AND CHANGED RADICALLY. THE COMMUNITY HAS TOLD US IN SOUTH TAMPA IN PARTICULAR, NOTHING ON DALE MABRY. DALE MABRY IS AN EVACUATION CORRIDOR, UP TO KENNEDY, WE CAN'T HAVE ANYTHING. MY SON GOES TO SCHOOL NEXT TO MacDILL. TRY TO DRIVE NEXT TO THE CENTER OF THE HEART AND MIND OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE MIDDLE EAST WITH THE UNITED STATES, TRY TO DRIVE ANYSOUTH OF GANDY ANY DAY AND STUCK IN TRAFFIC ALL THE WAY UP TO KENNEDY. IT IS MAXED OUT. WE CAN'T HAVE ANYMORE. WE'LL TALK MORE LATER. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WHAT I THINK I HEARD AT THE BEGINNING WAS MORE ALLOWABLE DENSITY IS NOT NECESSARY TO MEET THE POPULATION GROWTH EXPECTATIONS FROM NOW TO 2045. WE CAN DO WITH WHAT WE HAVE TO MEET THOSE EXPECTED GOALS, NUMBERS, POPULATION COMING IN. PEOPLE WANT PREDICTABILITY. I THINK THIS IS SO -- THIS IS SUCH A BIG PLAN, PEOPLE GOT SCARED. IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CITY, ESPECIALLY WITH LAST YEAR'S HURRICANES, COASTAL HIGH HAZARD, AREAS PRONE TO FLOODING. WE'VE SEEN THE DAMAGE THAT HAS HAPPENED. IT WAS MENTIONED ABOUT 1/16th OF A MILE. WHAT IS 1/16th OF A MILE OFF AN ARTERIAL ROADWAY IS 330 FEET. AN AVERAGE CITY BLOCK IN MANHATTAN IS 264 FEET. CHICAGO, 330 FEET. JUST TO GIVE YOU SCALE WHAT IS 330 FEET GOING INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE IS THE HISTORIC NATURE OF MANY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. I WAS CONTACTED BY SOMEONE SATURDAY MORNING AROUND 7 A.M. CONCERNED ABOUT ARMENIA, HOWARD, WEST TAMPA, NORTH HYDE PARK. I'M BORN IN WEST TAMPA. IF YOU HEAR ME TALK UP HERE, I TALK ABOUT TAMPA'S HISTORY. AND IT WAS BROUGHT UP IN GOAL 6. I DON'T KNOW IF I MISUNDERSTOOD, IT SAID PROTECT THE CITY'S HISTORIC RESOURCES. NOT JUST RESOURCES, THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF MANY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. REGARDING THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA, MANAGE THE GROWTH. IT HAS OFTEN BEEN SAID WE'RE FULL SOUTH OF GANDY. SOUTH TAMPA IS FULL. AGAIN, WE LEARNED A LOT FROM THE HURRICANES LAST YEAR. WE SEE THE AREAS MOST VULNERABLE AND MOST PRONE TO DAMAGE WITH STORMS, STORM SURGE, FLOODING. TAMPA HAS GROWN SIGNIFICANTLY. POPULATION CLOSE TO 400,000 PEOPLE BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE SEE THE TRAFFIC. WE SEE THE CONGESTION. WE SEE ALL THE GROWTH THAT'S HAPPENING AND WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL MOVING FORWARD. I'LL RESERVE MY TIME FOR NEXT COMMENTS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ALONG THOSE LINES, WHEN YOU LOOK AT DIFFERENT CHANGES, MANY YEARS AGO, KIDS WOULD WALK TO SCHOOL. NOW, EVERYBODY RIDES TO SCHOOL, EITHER THE BUS OR BY THE PARENTS' CAR. LOOK AT THE ACADEMY OF HOLY NAMES, LOOK WHAT HAPPENS IN THE MORNING AND DISCHARGING IN THE AFTERNOON. YOU CAN'T GET IN AND OUT WITHOUT TWO TRAFFIC LIGHTS. LOOK AT ROOSEVELT. LOOK AT WILSON. LOOK AT THE SCHOOL ON ARMENIA AND OSBORNE. THEY TAKE ONE WHOLE LANE ON ARMENIA FOR BLOCKS. SO WE HAVE THROUGH THE WAY THAT WE LIVE, A CHANGE ON HOW WE LIVE. AND THESE THINGS WE CREATED OURSELVES, ALL OF US. MY KIDS ALL GROWN UP. SOMEBODY IS DOING SOMETHING THAT WASN'T DONE BEFORE. WE HAVE MUCH MORE AMENITIES TO DO. EVERY HOUSE THREE AND FOUR CARS WHEN I WAS GROWING UP. SHOW YOU ANY HOUSE YOU WANT AND IT HAS AT LEAST TWO OR THREE CARS ON IT. WHERE I LIVE, GUY NEXT TO ME HAS EIGHT CARS ON IT. I DON'T KNOW WHO LIVES THERE BUT THERE'S EIGHT CARS. IT'S HOW IT IS. IT'S SOMETHING NATURE HAS GIVEN US. THE RIGHT TO RIDE, RIGHT TO BE FREE, RIGHT TO WALK. I'M NOT SO CERTAIN ABOUT FREE ANYMORE. BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS I SEE. BY THE WAY, COMPLEMENTARY TO BOTH THE AUDIENCE HERE TODAY THAT WERE THERE AT ALL THE PLANNING COMMISSION. NEVER ANY ADVERSITY. A LOT OF GIVE AND TAKE. I ENJOYED SITTING BACK AND WATCHING. SOMETHING THAT WILL BE WORKED OUT TONIGHT OR TOMORROW AND COME OUT I THINK TO THE BETTERMENT OF ALL SOCIETY. WE'RE WORKING ON IT. IF NOT TODAY, ANOTHER DAY WILL COME WITH RESOLUTION TO MAKE SURE WE GET WHAT WE NEED AND ALSO NOT HARM THE NEIGHBORHOODS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. CAN AM OF THOUGHTS. I WANT TO REITERATE WHEN I RAN A LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS AGO STANDING ON THE STAGE AT THE GARDEN CLUB, I COINED THE PHRASE, SOUTH TAMPA IS FULL. I STARTED IT. SORRY, PLANNING COMMISSION. THAT CAME FROM ME. I STAND BY THAT. I KNOW THE STREETS ARE FULL. SPECIFICALLY OUR SCHOOLS ARE FULL. I HAVEN'T HEARD EVEN A RUMOR THEY WILL TRY TO BUILD A SCHOOL IN SOUTH TAMPA. THE ROADS ARE FULL. TRY TO DRIVE DOWN MacDILL WHEN HOLY ACADEMY GETS OUT OR TRY TO GO DOWN HENDERSON BOULEVARD OR EVEN DALE MABRY, AS COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID. IT'S JUST BRUTAL. I WILL SAY, THOUGH, I'M DETECTING IN A LOT OF E-MAILS AND PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT I'VE SEEN AT THE HEARINGS, PEOPLE ARE PESSIMISTIC ABOUT TRANSIT. TRANSIT IS COMING TO THE CITY OF TAMPA. WE ARE RIGHT NOW PURSUING BUILDING -- I'M GOING TO HIT THAT -- WE ARE WORKING ON EXTENDING THE STREETCAR. THAT'S HAPPENING UP THROUGH TAMPA HEIGHTS. SO THAT IS HAPPENING ON FLORIDA AND TAMPA STREETS. GOING TO BE THEE TIMES MORE -- THREE TIMES MORE RAIL AND STREETCAR THAN THERE IS TODAY. SOMETHING CALLED THE REGIONAL ACCELERATE GRANT PROGRAM THAT STARTED WITH THE FIRST TRUMP ADMINISTRATION CONTINUED THROUGH THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION AND CONTINUES THROUGH THIS TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. IT IS AN AMAZING PROCESS OF BEING ABLE TO FINANCE LARGER SCALE TRANSPORTATION PROGRAMS. TAMPA WAS ACCEPTED INTO THAT PROGRAM RECENTLY. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO DO INCREMENTAL -- WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO BRT, THE RAPID BUS TRANSIT. WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO AS WE'VE BEEN HEARING THE AIRPORT TO DOWNTOWN AND POSSIBLY BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF FINANCING, WE CAN CONTINUE THAT ALL THE WAY UP TO USF. SO THE TRANSIT IS COMING, BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TRANSIT IF YOU HAVE SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSES ALONG THAT ROUTE. YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE DENSITY TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THAT TRANSIT. WE HAVE THE ABILITY. WE HAVE THE TOOLS. IT'S COMING TO THE CITY OF TAMPA. IT WILL HAPPEN BEFORE I DIE. I PROMISE YOU THAT. LOUIS IS BACK. WE'RE JUST GENERAL COMMENTS. TWO MINUTES. >>LUIS VIERA: SO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I OBVIOUSLY READ ALL THE E-MAILS AND SO FORTH. I THINK THE BIG CONCERN WITH PEOPLE, CHAIRMAN CLENDENIN, WAS TALKING ABOUT THE TRANSIT ISSUE. HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, HEAR IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, IN OUR REGION AND PROBABLY THROUGHOUT ALL OF FLORIDA OR THROUGHOUT MUCH OF FLORIDA, WE GROW, GROW, GROW, BUT WE BUILD, BUILD, BUILD AND GROW BUT THEN WE DON'T BUILD THE REQUISITE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE NEED WHEN IT COMES TO PARKS, PUBLIC SAFETY, FIRE, COPS, AND WHEN IT COMES TO OUR ROADS. I'VE SEEN IT IN SLOW MOTION SINCE I'VE BEEN ELECTED IN OFFICE IN 2018, EVERYTHING WAS LOVELY. WE WERE GOING TO GET $330 MILLION A YEAR FOR ROADS AND MASS TRANSIT, FOR ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION. FLORIDA SUPREME COURT INTERVENES. 2022, EVERYTHING IS LOVELY. WE'LL PASS THAT SALES TAX. CIRCUIT COURT INTERVENES. EVEN WITH THAT INTERVENTION, IT ONLY LOSES IN A YEAR WHEN A LOT OF FOLKS AGAINST TRANSIT INVESTMENTS WHO WON OFFICE, RUNNING FOR THINGS LIKE THE COUNTY COMMISSION, LOST BY ONLY HALF A POINT. ME, I AM PERSONALLY NOT OPTIMISTIC ABOUT MASS TRANSIT IN TAMPA AS IT SHOULD BE. CHAIRMAN CLENDENIN SAYS A LOT OF THINGS THAT I AGREE WITH. HE IS A VERY OPTIMISTIC PERSON. HE HAS THE SMILE TO PROVE IT BECAUSE HE'S ALWAYS SMILING. I AM NOT OPTIMISTIC ABOUT MASS TRANSIT IN TAMPA AS IT SHOULD BE. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THOSE ROBUST INVESTMENTS THAT WE SHOULD BE HAVING. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT McNUGGETS AND SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT A BIG MAC. BOY, THAT CAME FAST. THAT'S ALL. I HAVE A LOT OF THOUGHTS AND I'LL END IT WITH A BIG MAC, THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'D LIKE TO WAGER ON THIS. I THINK IT'S TIME TO LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC ON THIS. IT'S WHAT YOU ALL CAME OUT TO DO, TO SHARE YOUR OPINIONS, ONCE AGAIN, AS YOU HEARD FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU HEARD FROM MY FELLOW MEMBERS UP ON THE DAIS, THE MORE SPECIFIC YOU CAN GET IS THE BETTER. THIS WILL BE WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS GOING TO TAKE BACK AS WE WORK THIS PLAN, SO THE MORE SPECIFIC YOU CAN BE WOULD LEAD TO A BETTER PRODUCT. I HAVE 29 NAMES. IF YOU ARE ON THIS LIST, I'LL CALL YOUR NAME. IF YOU SIGNED A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM, IF YOU SPEAK, YOUR NAME WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE. WE'LL START IN THE ORDER YOU SIGNED UP. CODY ALTMAN FIRST FOLLOWED BY DANA JASPER. THE YELLOW LIGHT GOES OFF, THAT MEANS YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS LEFT. THE MICROPHONE IS BURIED IN IT. YOU DON'T REALLY SEE IT. DID YOU GIVE OUT NUMBERS? >> IF YOU HAVE A PLASTIC NUMBER, PLEASE LEAVE IT ON THE PODIUM WHENEVER YOU COME TO THE PODIUM TO SPEAK. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GO AHEAD. CODY, YOUR TIME WILL START NOW. THANK YOU. >> I WAS SPEAKING WITH A -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'M SORRY. EVERYBODY WHO COMES TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME FIRST. IT IS A RULE. YOUR NAME FIRST. SPEAK AND RESET HIS TIME, PLEASE. >> MY NAME IS CODY ALTMAN. I'M SPEAKING MOSTLY IN FAVOR OF THE PLANNING MAP CHANGES. I'M SAYING THAT BECAUSE WHILE THERE IS -- I DO SEE SOME ISSUE WITH THE FACT THAT, HEY, THERE IS NOT A WHOLE LOT OF TRANSIT AT THE MOMENT, SO BUILDING ALL THE ZONING COULD DISRUPT, COULD BRING MORE PEOPLE, CAN AFFECT THE TRAFFIC. BUT LIKE YOU SAID AND A LOT OF OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS SAID, THAT IF THERE ARE MORE ALTERNATIVES TO DRIVING, BECAUSE I DO DRIVE AND USE PUBLIC TRANSIT AND WALK. I DO DRIVE AND I HATE SITTING IN TRAFFIC. LIKE, I HATE SITTING IN TRAFFIC. IF I HAVE AN OPTION, FOR EXAMPLE, IF I WANT TO GO TO WESTCHASE OR GO TO TAMPA PALMS WITHOUT HAVING TO DRIVE, I WOULD DO IT ALL DAY LONG. I LOVE DRIVING, BUT ALSO DON'T LOVE TO SIT IN TRAFFIC. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO SIT IN TRAFFIC EITHER. I THINK THAT, ALONG WITH THE ZONING PLAN CHANGES CAN DEFINITELY HELP A LOT. BUT, OBVIOUSLY, LIKE YOU GUYS SAID, PEOPLE SUPPORT IT AND OTHER MEMBERS BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT ABOUT WALKING TO SCHOOL IN THE PAST BUT NO LONGER THE CASE. I USED TO WALK HOME FROM SCHOOL AS WELL. I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE AS WELL AS THEIR CHILDREN ARE DRIVEN AROUND BY THEIR PARENTS BECAUSE IT'S NOT SAFE TO WALK ANYMORE. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH INFRASTRUCTURE TO ENCOURAGE WALKABILITY. AND PEOPLE WOULD RATHER BE DRIVEN BY OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS OR RIDING THE SCHOOL BUS ALTOGETHER. I'D RATHER HAVE MORE EMPHASIS ON TRANSIT READINESS AND HAVING MORE TRANSIT ACCESSIBILITY, SPECIAL MORE IN THE DAY AND MORE FREQUENTLY. WE SHOULD SUPPORT CHANGES IN VERY LIMITED AREAS, BUT ALSO DO IT MORE GRADUALLY OVER TIME RATHER THAN DOING IN ALL ONE SWOOP. I DO SUPPORT THE MAP BECAUSE I THINK IT DOES BRING MORE SUSTAINABILITY TO THE AREA AND FROM THE SURROUNDING AREAS AND PREVENTS FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIKE WESTCHASE, TOWN N' COUNTRY, EVEN WESLEY CHAPEL. BEAUTIFUL WITH THE WOODS. NOW A BUNCH OF HOUSES AND A BUNCH OF TRAFFIC. BRINGING MORE PEOPLE CLOSE TO THE CITY COULD HOPEFULLY HALT SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT OUTSIDE THE CITY AMONG OTHER THINGS. I SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN PASCO COUNTY AS WELL. I REALLY THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL AND HELPFUL TO THOSE -- LIKE BRANDON, RIVERVIEW AND FURTHER SOUTH AND THUS BRINGING MORE PEOPLE TO TAMPA, MORE AFFORDABLY AND MORE SUSTAINABLY WITHOUT HAVING TO DRIVE SO FAR AND PAY SO MUCH IN TOLLS, INSURANCE AND GAS. ALSO GAS AND CRASHES. MY NAME IS CORY ALTMAN. I DO SUPPORT THE MAP AS A CONCEPT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, CODY. APPRECIATE THAT. DANA. FOLLOWING THAT TOM CONNELLY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MS. JASPER HAS ONE NAME. JANE PERCOSI. WHERE ARE YOU? THANK YOU. ONE ADDITIONAL NAME, PLEASE FOR A TOTAL OF FOUR MINUTES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S SAKE, I WILL HOLD ON TO THE COPIES AND GIVE YOU ALL A COPY OF WHAT I HAVE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MS. JASPER. >> DANA JASPER. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. I HAVE TWO VERY SPECIFIC THINGS THAT I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT. I'LL GET TO THOSE VERY EASILY. THE FIRST THING I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS CONTRADICTORY INFORMATION I'VE SEEN IN THE PROPOSAL THAT HAS TO DO WITH BONUS DENSITIES IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA. ON THE LEFT HERE, YOU'LL SEE POLICY 2.6.9 DIRECTS THE DENSITY BONUSES INTO THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT AREAS, BUT LATER ON IN THE POLICY, IT HAS 7.1.4 AND THAT'S EXPLORING THE DENSITY BONUSES IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA. I PUT UNDERNEATH THAT THE EVACUATION ZONE MAP. I REALLY DO BELIEVE AT THIS TIME THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE DIRECTING BONUS DENSITY IN THE CHHA IN THOSE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREAS. SO MY REQUEST IS THAT THIS BE COMPLETELY REMOVED FROM THE DRAFT. NOW I WANT TO TALK ABOUT ANOTHER POLICY THAT'S IN HERE. THIS HAS TO DO WITH LU POLICY 3.2.1, NUMBER 2. THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE LOCATIONAL REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE NECESSARY FOR FLU 2035, 50, AND 83 TO BE REZONED TO COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD OR TO RESIDENTIAL OFFICE. IN OUR CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND I HAVE GIVEN YOU COPIES IN THE PACKET, IT IS VERY DISTINCT ABOUT HOW THERE ARE ALL THESE DIFFERENT CRITERIA THAT ALL OF THESE CRITERIA MUST BE MET TO EVEN HAVE A REZONING CONSIDERED. THIS POLICY THAT IS BEING PROPOSED, HOWEVER, IN THE LANGUAGE, THE WAY THEY DEVELOPED THIS, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A, B AND C HERE, THEY HAVE USED THIS "OR" HERE. I THOUGHT MAYBE IT WAS A TYPO BECAUSE I'M THINKING, WELL, OR. YOU ONLY HAVE TO SATISFY ONE. I REACHED OUT TO PLANNING COMMISSION VIA E-MAIL AND I CONFIRMED WITH THEM IT DOES MEAN YOU ONLY HAVE TO MEET ONE CRITERIA. I GAVE A COPY OF THE E-MAIL THREAD IN THE PACKET I GAVE YOU AS WELL. LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE WHAT THIS MIGHT MEAN. I'LL USE THE CRITERIA A. THAT CRITERIA A SAYS THE SITE HAS FRONTAGE ON A FUNCTIONALLY CLASSIFIED AS COLLECTOR, ARTERIAL ROADWAY. I'LL USE THE EXAMPLE BAYSHORE BOULEVARD BECAUSE THAT IS AN ARTERIAL ROADWAY. GIVEN THAT ANY PROPERTIES THAT ARE R-20, 35, 50, OR 83, ANYWHERE HERE ALONG BAYSHORE, WOULD BE ABLE TO ASK FOR A REZONING TO COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD OR RESIDENTIAL OFFICE. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT ARE WE GOING TO GET IN LIEU OF RESIDENTIAL? IT'S AN ENCROACHMENT INTO RESIDENTIAL. DO WE NEED ANOTHER, I DON'T KNOW, CAR WASH IN SOUTH TAMPA, A WEED SHOP? I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET. BUT THIS IS AN EASY SOLUTION. I'LL COME WITH TWO REQUESTS. THE FIRST WAS TO GET RID OF 7.1.4 AND THIS ONE. ALL I'M ASKING FOR HERE IS YOU REPLACE THAT WORD "OR" WITH THE WORD "AND." THIS IS VERY EASY TO DO. INSTEAD OF HAVING "OR" YOU JUST PUT "AND." PUT "AND." AND YOU MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE CRITERIA ARE MET BECAUSE THIS IS DOWN-GRADING WHAT WE ALREADY CURRENTLY HAVE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT'S ALL I'M ASKING THAT WE KEEP IT TO THE SAME STANDARD THAT WE REQUIRE ALL THOSE CRITERIA AND NOT JUST MAKE IT AN "OR" STATEMENT BECAUSE I THINK IT WILL HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES TO DO THAT. IN SUMMARY, TOLD YOU I WOULD BE ASKING FOR TWO THINGS. I ASK YOU REMOVE LU POLICY 7.1.4 AND NOT DIRECT BONUS DENSITY INTO THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND TO CHANGE THAT WORD OR TO AND BETWEEN THESE AB AND C CRITERIA. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. THE PROBLEM, AS MUCH AS I LOVE HEARING LAUGHTER, WHAT HAPPENS, THE SHAPE OF THIS ROOM, IF YOU ARE LAUGHING, WE CAN'T HEAR WHAT THEY ARE SAYING. THE PERSON WHO IS SPEAKING, THEY LOSE TRACK OF MAYBE THEIR TIME. IT IS DISRESPECTFUL TO PEOPLE SPEAKING BECAUSE THEY ARE TRYING TO COMMUNICATE THEIR MESSAGE AS CLEARLY AS THEY CAN. THANK YOU SO MUCH. TOM CONNELLY FOLLOWED BY LINDA REED. HOLD THAT THOUGHT FOR A SECOND, TOM. CAN WE GO TO PAULA MECKLEY THAT'S ONLINE FIRST? PAULA. WE'LL GO TO AN ONLINE SPEAKER FOR ONE SECOND HERE. WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. MAKE SURE YOU ARE UNMUTED, PAULA. STILL CAN'T HEAR YOU. PAULA, I'LL SKIP YOU AND COME BACK IN ABOUT FIVE, TEN MINUTES TO SEE IF WE GET THAT FIXED. BACK TO TOM. >> I GAVE THE SPEAKER WAIVER, TWO ADDITIONAL MINUTES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CONNELLY HAS TWO NAMES. JOHN STEDMAN. THANK YOU. MIKE McNABB. THANK YOU. FOR A TOTAL OF FIVE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. FIVE MINUTES. GO AHEAD. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. IN MY OPINION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF DIDN'T FOLLOW THE INTENT -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: STATE YOUR NAME. >> TOM CONNELLY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. >> WHEN DIRECTED STAFF OF THE MAY 2025 PUBLIC HEARING TO HOLD COMMUNITY MEETINGS IN LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND LISTEN TO COMMUNITY CONCERNS WITH SPECIFIC PURPOSE OF DETERMINING THE NEED FOR AND EXTENT OF THE REVISED LANGUAGE FOR CONSIDERATION AT THIS MEETING. INSTEAD, THE COMMISSION FOCUSED SOLELY ON TOPICS OF TRANSIT-READY AREA, THE CORRIDOR, POLICY 263 LU 2, BONUS 2 AND CRITERIA FOR ALLOWANCES OF ATTACHED UNITS IN THE RESIDENTIAL TEN LAND USE CATEGORY AND POLICY 3.3.6. THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF DID NOT ADDRESS CONCERNS RELATED TO THE CURRENT TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IMAGINE 2040. I GOT A SLIDE HERE FOR YOU, THAT STATES ABOUT THE CHARACTERISTICS OF SOUTH TAMPA. PREDOMINANTLY TRADITIONAL SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED NEIGHBORHOODS ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITIES THAT WOULD BE COMPROMISED BY INCREASED URBANIZATION, LIMITED ACCESS TO TRANSPORTATION FACILITIES, WHICH ARE RESOURCE INEFFICIENT TO IMPROVE LIMITED OPPORTUNITIES TO CREATE MORE COMMUNITY FACILITIES, OPEN SPACES OR SERVICES AND AN UNSTABLE OR FLOOD-PRONE LAND. THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF THIS VERSION PRESENTED IS NOT A LIFESTYLE CHOICE FOR THE RESIDENTS OF SOUTH TAMPA. IT IS A PUBLIC SAFETY AND INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUE. SOUTH TAMPA IS A PENINSULA WITH ONLY ONE DIRECTION TO EVACUATE. AND IT IS BOUND BY THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND MAJORITY OF EVACUATION ZONE A. THAT'S ALL THERE. THERE'S NO NEW GREENSPACE AVAILABLE AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE WITH RESPECT TO ROAD AND STORMWATER NEEDS SERIOUS IMPROVEMENT. SOUTH TAMPA HAS GROWN MORE THAN ALL THE OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY COMBINED IN THE PAST FEW YEARS, ALLOWING AN INCREASE IN DENSITY IS NOT THE DIRECTION FOR SOUTH TAMPA. A NEW STRATEGY BASED ON INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. THIS AMENDMENT APPEARS TO ABANDON THE OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES THAT ARE IN OUR CURRENT TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IMAGINE 2040. SPECIFICALLY LU POLICY 9.3.8 AND SEE THE HIGHLIGHTED PORTIONS THERE. LU POLICY -- OBJECTIVE 9.4 ABOUT ACCOMMODATING THE GREATEST CONCENTRATION OF HOUSING AND DESIRABLE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED URBAN AREAS HAVING CONVENIENT ACCESS TO REGIONAL TRANSIT STATIONS AND THEN THE OTHER HIGHLIGHT, PROMOTE HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN BUSINESS CENTERS IN URBAN VILLAGES. AND THEN IF WE MOVE ON TO LU OBJECTIVE 9.5 CONCERNING SINGLE-FAMILY AREAS, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT SAYS TO PROTECT LOW-DENSITY SINGLE-FAMILY AREAS, MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER OF THE SINGLE-FAMILY DENSITY AREA, PROVIDE DIFFERENT INTENSITIES OF SINGLE-FAMILY AREAS TO REFLECT THE DIFFERENCES IN THE EXISTING AND DESIRED CHARACTER OF THE SINGLE-FAMILY AREA ACROSS THE CITY, TO MAINTAIN THE CURRENT DENSITY AND CHARACTER OF EXISTING SINGLE-FAMILY AREAS, AND PROTECT THESE AREAS OF LOWEST INTENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE OR THAT HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL OR INFRASTRUCTURE CONSTRAINTS WHICH ARE ON THE FIRST SLIDE, FOUR BULLET POINTS, SUCH AS ENVIRONMENTALLY CRITICAL AREAS. IN SUMMATION, I'LL ASK THE COUNCIL TO DENY THE TRANSMITTAL OF 2404 AT LEAST UNTIL THE NEWLY ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE FOR DISTRICT 5 WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO GATHER INPUTS FROM THEIR CONSTITUENTS AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO REQUEST MODIFICATIONS IF SO WARRANTED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, SIR. LINDA REED FOLLOWED BY DEBBIE GREENBERG AND THEN WE'LL TRY PAULA AGAIN. GOOD MORNING. START WITH YOUR NAME. >> MY NAME IS LINDA REED. GOOD EVENING. I ATTENDED THE MADISON MIDDLE SCHOOL MEETING FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. AND THERE WAS -- THEY WANTED US TO PUT OUR QUESTIONS ON AN INDEX CARD AND PUT THE INDEX CARD IN THE BOX. THEY HAD SOMEONE GOING AROUND THE ROOM TO BE SURE TO COLLECT THE INDEX CARDS. WHEN IT CAME TIME TO ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS, THEY ONLY ADDRESSED FOUR QUESTIONS OUT OF THE BOX. I HOPE THE BOX HAS FOUND ITS WAY TO YOU ALL SO YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS PEOPLE HAD. MY QUESTION WAS ONE OF THE ONES THAT WAS READ. I WOULD LIKE TO BRING IT UP TO YOU ALL. WHY DO WE HAVE TO USE JUST LAND, FREE LAND, WHY CAN'T WE USE THESE EMPTY BUILDINGS THAT WE HAVE ALL OVER THE CITY? I'VE DRIVEN AROUND WESTSHORE AND DAVIS ISLANDS, THOSE AREAS THAT WERE FLOODED SO BADLY AND THERE'S HOUSE AFTER HOUSE AFTER HOUSE, CAN'T DEVELOPMENT BE USED THERE? THERE'S ALREADY A STRUCTURE ON THAT LAND? DO WE HAVE TO USE UP MORE OF OUR LAND? THE ONLY OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO SAY IS I THINK THEY COULD DESIGN A VIDEO GAME OUT OF WHAT IT'S LIKE TO GO DOWN A SOUTH TAMPA STREET BETWEEN THE FEDEX TRUCKS, LAND MAINTENANCE TRUCKS, THE VISITORS' TRUCKS, YOU'RE DOING THIS ALL THE WAY THROUGH AND YOU DON'T KNOW IF YOU'LL MAKE IT THROUGH THE STREET OR NOT. SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED MORE DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW. USE WHAT'S EMPTY AND DEVELOP THAT. DON'T USE UP MORE LAND. MR. MIRANDA, I'D LIKE TO SAY, YOU AND I HAVE SOMETHING IN COMMON. WE'RE BOTH TAMPA PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN HERE FOREVER. DON'T LET THEM LOSE THE CITY OF TAMPA. WE'RE LOSING THE CITY OF TAMPA. WE'RE JUST BECOMING ANOTHER BIG CITY WITH A BUNCH OF BUILDINGS. PLEASE SAVE OUR CITY. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, MS. REED. DEBBIE GREENBERG. GOOD EVENING, START WITH YOUR NAME. >> HI. DEBBIE GREENBERG. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. I ALSO ATTENDED SOME OF THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND I'M GLAD THE COUNCIL I HAD ATTENDED THOSE AS WELL. I THINK NATURE HAS GIVEN US UNINTENDED STUDIES WITHOUT EVEN FORMING THEM. WE HAD HURRICANES. CAME BACK TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, FLOODING IN NON-FLOOD ZONES. THE STREETS WERE IMPASSABLE. IT FLOODS EVEN WITH, YOU BLOW ON THE STREET, OUR ELECTRIC GOES OUT OR THE RAIN COMES AND IT'S FLOODED ALREADY. THESE ARE DURING CALM TIMES. WHEN WE HAD THE HURRICANE, IT WAS TESTED NATURALLY. DIDN'T HAVE TO DESIGN THE STUDY. IT WAS DONE FOR US, AND WE DIDN'T SUCCEED IN CONTROLLING THINGS. SO INFRASTRUCTURE FIRST. WHAT WAS CONCERNING TO ME, KEPT SAYING ALL THE THINGS BEING BUILT NOW, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ALL THE THINGS BEING BUILT NOW. WE ALL SEE ALL THE CONSTRUCTION TAKING PLACE RIGHT NOW IN TAMPA. THOSE PEOPLE HAVEN'T EVEN MOVED IN YET. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DENSITY BEYOND WHAT'S ALREADY IN THE WORKS NOW THAT CAN'T BE TOUCHED. HOW MANY TIMES WE SEE REZONING AND VARIANCE IN FRONT OF US, EVERY CONSTRUCTION I SEE IT AND THE WRITING IS THIS BIG. SO THE COMMUNITY REALLY ISN'T AWARE OF THOSE VARIANCES. SOMETIMES I GO UP AND I READ THEM. SO PLEASE TAKE CONSIDERATION INTO WHAT IS ALREADY BEING BUILT NOW, WHICH WE CAN'T TOUCH, HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE WE'RE GOING TO BRING IN. I TOO CANNOT TURN LEFT ON MacDILL. I COME OUT OF THERE EVERY DAY BECAUSE OF THE ACADEMY OF THE HOLY NAMES. THAT IS A CALM SCHOOL DAY. STRESSING MAYBE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T MOVE UP INTO THE CAR LINE, BUT IT BACKS ALL THE WAY UP. AND THIS IS NOT EVACUATION. THIS IS A NORMAL PICK UP YOUR KID, TALKING ON YOUR PHONE IN YOUR CAR DAY. PLEASE BE VERY MINDFUL. I THINK NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD, SOUTH TAMPA IS FULL. YOU ARE ON PAGE WITH US AND LET PEOPLE LIVE THERE AND JUST DO A LITTLE STUDY OF THEIR OWN, SEE WHAT IT'S LIKE TO GET THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ON A DAILY BASIS WHEN IT'S JUST A THUNDERSTORM. BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I APPRECIATE IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, MS. GRENBERG. PAULA MECKLEY, WE'LL TRY AGAIN. >> CAN YOU HEAR ME? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THERE YOU ARE, PAULA. >> THANK YOU. MY NAME IS PAULA MECKLEY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. WE HEARD YOUR NAME. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. I'D LIKE TO START BY THANKING THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF FOR LISTENING TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS. HOWEVER, THERE ARE STILL MANY PARTS OF THIS NEW LAND DEVELOPMENT SECTION THAT ARE EITHER VAGUE, UNCLEAR OR SHOULD BE DELETED. ALSO PARTS OF THE 2040 PLAN THAT SHOULD BE PUT BACK INTO THIS UPDATE. I'M GOING TO START WITH THE THINGS THAT I THINK NEED TO BE TWEAKED. LU TABLE 3, FUTURE LAND USE, THERE ARE SEVEN CATEGORIES WHERE WE'RE GIVING AWAY FREE BY RIGHT. SHOULD IT BE DOING THIS? I AM SUGGESTING THAT WE LOOK AT THE NAMES, CURRENTLY R 83, CHANGE IT TO R 75, R 50 SHOULD BE R 40. R 35 SHOULD BE R 30. THIS DOES NOT TAKE AWAY ANY BY RIGHT. LANDOWNERS CAN STILL ASK FOR BONUS. IF APPROVED THE WAY IT IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN IN THE 2045, INCREASE DENSITY ALL OVER THE CITY AND INCREASE DENSITY IN THE CHHA WHICH WE'RE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM. LAND USE POLICY 3.1.17, RESIDENTIAL R-50, WHICH SHOULD BE R-40, THIS PROPOSED MOVE R-50 CATEGORY FOR MEDIUM DENSITY TO HIGH DENSITY. THAT'S A MASSIVE INCREASE THAT'S BEING SNEAKED INTO THIS PLAN. 3.1.18, RESIDENTIAL R-35 SHOULD BE R-30, MEDIUM DENSITY, PLEASE ADD THE WORDING BACK THAT DEFINES R-35, WHICH IS MEDIUM DENSITY, SMALL LOT, SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS, DUPLEX, CONDOS, TOWNHOMES, UP TO EIGHT STORIES. THEY REMOVED ALL THAT WORDING. LU POLICY 3.2.1, THIS IS A KILLER. DANA JUST WENT OVER THIS. THIS, EVEN IN THE R-10 CATEGORY, THEY ADDED A B. THE B IS LOOSENING THE RULES AND ADDING ADDITIONAL PLACES IN R-10 WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO DO THIS. IN NUMBER TWO, THE WORD "AND" CHANGED TO "OR" WHICH DRASTICALLY CHANGES THE EFFECT ON RESIDENTIAL LAND USE CATEGORIES AND HAS THE POTENTIAL OF DRASTICALLY CHANGING THE PACE OF NEIGHBORHOODS. PUT BACK IN THE FOLLOWING WORDING FROM THE 2040 PLAN, 9.5.1, 2, 3, 4, AND 5. THOSE ARE ALL PROTECTIONS FOR SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. PUT BACK IN THE WORDING THAT PROTECTS BAYSHORE BOULEVARD AS THE JEWEL OF TAMPA BAY. THIS DISTINCT ROADWAY DESERVES PROTECTION. PUT BACK IN THE WORDING TOM TALKED ABOUT. SOUTH TAMPA, THIS WORDING WAS PUT IN THERE FOR A REASON. ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITIES. LACK OF OPEN SPACE. IT'S INEFFICIENT TO ADD TRANSPORTATION AND IMPROVEMENT. NONE OF THAT HAS CHANGED SINCE THIS WORDING HAS BEEN WRITTEN. THERE'S STILL LOTS OF AREAS IN SOUTH TAMPA IN THE CURRENT BY RIGHT THAT WILL BE DEVELOPED. THERE'S NO NEED TO ADD THESE INCENTIVES. PLEASE CONSIDER THESE CHANGES BEFORE TRANSMITTING. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, PAULA. OKAY. WE'RE MOVING ON TO MICHAEL SHEA, FOLLOWED BY NATHAN HAGAN. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. DONALD LESTER, PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE. IS DONALD LESTER. THERE YOU ARE. THANK YOU. ANN PICKENS. THANK YOU. HANK CRAMER. THANK YOU. FRANK GRECO. THANK YOU. FOUR NAMES PLUS THREE, THAT'S SEVEN MINUTES TOTAL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. START WITH YOUR NAME. YOU'LL HAVE SEVEN MINUTES. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MICHAEL SHEA. MY ADDRESS IS 6301 BAYSHORE BOULEVARD. I'VE LIVED HERE 83 YEARS. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MY BACKGROUND, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GERMANE, I WAS AN EMPLOYEE OF THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION IN 1965, AND IT WAS A GREAT GROUP OF PEOPLE THEN AND IT STILL IS. DONE A GREAT JOB WORKING WITH THIS. I WENT TO LAW SCHOOL AT FSU. WHEN I FINISHED THAT, I DID A POSTDOCTORATE IN URBAN PLANNING. I'VE WORKED AS A CONSULTANT FOR ABOUT 68 CITIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF FLORIDA, FROM PENSACOLA TO KEY WEST. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHO WE REPRESENT. WE REPRESENT COMMUNITIES, I DO. I WORK FOR ST. MICHAEL'S LEGAL CENTER, WHICH IS A PRO BONO AGENCY, THAT PROVIDES FREE LEGAL SERVICES TO THE POOR IN 13 COUNTIES ON THE WEST COAST OF FLORIDA. I HAVE SEVEN ATTORNEYS WHO WORK FOR ME. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO BECAUSE WE THINK WE SHOULD PAY BACK IS WE REPRESENT NOT FOR PROFITS. AND ONE OF THOSE IS THE RIVER BEND CIVIC ASSOCIATION. IT'S AN IMPORTANT NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CITY BECAUSE, WELL, THE MAYOR LIVES THERE, BUT THAT'S NOT THE MAIN REASON. THE MAIN REASON IS BECAUSE IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM MANY OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS. 25 YEARS AGO, I WAS A PERSON THAT WORKED ON DOING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR A COMMUNITY CALLED BALLAST POINT. IT'S HELD UP ALL THOSE 20 ODD YEARS, AND IT HAS BEEN VERY BENEFICIAL. WE HAVE PUT INTO PLAY THAT NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN. I SUGGEST THAT WE DO THE SAME THING AGAIN. I THINK THAT IT'S GREAT TO DO A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT COVERS THE CITY AND THE COUNTY, BUT WE NEED TO GET DOWN IN THE WEEDS AND LOOK AT EACH CITY. I MEAN, EACH NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL DIFFERENT. WHAT I PUT OUT HERE TODAY IS A NEIGHBORHOOD COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR RIVER BEND NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE YEAR 2045. NOW, THOSE PEOPLE HAVE WORKED WITH ME FOR THE LAST TWO AND A HALF MONTHS. WE GOT APPOINTED BECAUSE WE'RE FIGHTING A REZONING WITH THE GERMAN AMERICAN CLUB. WE WERE HERE THREE OR FOUR MONTHS AGO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE DEALING WITH. LET'S SKIP THAT. >> SO AS A RESULT OF THAT, WE STARTED TO DO A PILOT PLAN, THE FIRST ONE, A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN COMPREHENSIVE FOR THE YEAR 2045. WE DID THIS LITTLE PARTICULAR AREA AND CAME UP WITH AN ECONOMIC STUDY, A TRANSPORTATION STUDY, A SCHOOL STUDY, A PARKS AND RECREATION STUDY AND THEN THE REAL KICKER, THE LAND USE STUDY. WHILE I AGREE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS DONE A GREAT JOB, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS I'D MAKE A CHANGE WITH. ONE OF THEM IS THESE CORRIDORS WHERE THEY GIVE THESE BONUSES. THE WAY IT WORKS IS THEY'VE GOT BONUSES PUT ON AND A DEVELOPER, I CAN IMAGINE GOING DOWN TO ONE OF THESE PLACES THEY'VE GOT ON THEIR MAP ON A CORRIDOR AND BEING ABLE TO PULL A PERMIT WITHOUT THE INPUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. NO REZONING, NO NOTHING. SO AS A RESULT OF THAT, THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T GET TO GIVE INPUT. WHAT I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND IS A SLIGHT CHANGE TO WHAT WE CALL A CONDITIONAL USE. JUST CHANGE ALL THESE TO A CONDITIONAL USE. THAT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR IN TAMPA THE ZONING DEPARTMENT, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO GO BEFORE A ZONING MASTER, WHO IF HE APPROVES IT, IS FINISHED. BUT BOTH PARTIES, THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE DEVELOPER, WOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO DE NOVO HEARING BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL. I THINK THOSE ARE THE MINOR KIND OF CHANGES WE CAN RECOMMEND THAT ARE SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER. BUT WE REALLY NEED TO DIG IN TO THE WEEDS WHEN IT COMES TO DOING COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING. IT NEEDS TO BE NEIGHBORHOOD DRIVEN. I CAN TELL YOU LIVING IN BALLAST POINT IS A CONSIDERABLE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD THAN RIVER BEND. RIVER BEND HAS SOME REALLY NICE HOUSES ALONG THE RIVER, BUT THE REST OF THAT COMMUNITY IS BLUE COLLAR. SO WHEN I DID THE STUDY, I CAME UP WITH SOME REALLY INTERESTING THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE THAT ARE REALLY DIFFERENT. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS CITY IS COMPOSED OF, A BUNCH OF NEIGHBORHOODS, NOT ONE BIG COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I'VE WRITTEN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN -- I DON'T KNOW HOW TO TURN THIS ON. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT'S ON AUTOMATICALLY. >> THAT'S THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT'S IN ROUGH DRAFT, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE CLERK RECEIVE IT. AND JUST IN CASE YOU WERE INTERESTED, I'VE ALSO DRAFTED AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND YOUR BUILDING AND ZONING CODE TO ALLOW FOR CONDITIONAL USES, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING. I WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE CLERK RECEIVE THESE TWO DOCUMENTS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU CAN HAND THAT TO THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY. THANK YOU, MR. SHEA. NATHAN HAGAN IS NEXT. BEEN A LONG TIME. AFTER NATHAN IS GOING TO BE JASON WEAKMAN. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. MY NAME IS NATHAN HAGAN. I'M A VOLUNTEER CHAPTER LEADER WITH NIMBY TAMPA. FOUR YEARS, NIMBY TAMPA HAS WORKED HARD TO GET A MEANINGFUL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE TO ADDRESS OUR HOUSING SHORTAGE. WE ASKED FOR REFORMS THAT WORKED IN CITIES LIKE MINNEAPOLIS, CHARLOTTE PORTLAND LIFTING BANS ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING TYPES, FOCUSING ON REFORM OVER DENSITY AND EXPANDING BY RIGHT DEVELOPMENT. BEST PRACTICES IN PLANNING. 18 MONTHS AGO WE LEARNED NONE OF THE BIG REFORMS WOULD HAPPEN IN THIS UPDATE. INSTEAD WE HAVE A VERY WATERED DOWN PLAN. WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO THE OTHER THINGS, THE CITY ISN'T DONE EVOLVING, BUT IT'S BEEN CLEAR FOR A LONG TIME NOW THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE THE VENUE FOR TRANSFORMATIVE CHANGE FOR HOUSING CRISIS WARRANTS. WE'RE STILL HERE FOR TWO REASONS. FIRST, THE BONUS PROGRAM IS AN IMPROVEMENT. CREATES A PATH FOR DEVELOPERS TO EARN DENSITY, COMMUNITY BENEFITS, TRANSIT SUPPORTED AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IF THE PLAN IS ENACTED, DEVELOPERS STILL GO THROUGH THE PD PROCESS, PUBLIC HEARINGS AND FACE HIGHER COSTS BECAUSE OF THE REQUIREMENTS THE APPROVAL REQUIRES. NOTHING IS TAKEN AWAY FROM NEIGHBORHOODS OR FROM DEVELOPERS, BUT THIS CREATES A TOOL THAT LET'S DEVELOPERS KNOW WHAT YOUR PRIORITIES ARE BEFORE THEY MAKE A REQUEST. HONESTLY, WE THINK OF IT MORE AS A COMMUNICATION TOOL THAN POLICY CHANGE. NOT GOING TO DRIVE A DIFFERENT MEASURABLE MACRO OUTCOME ON ITS OWN. IT IS THE DEFINITION OF INCREMENTALISM AND TAKE FIVE YEARS TO GET DONE BY THE TIME SOMETHING PASSES. SECOND, I'M ALARMED BY THE CALLS TO CARVE OUT SOUTH TAMPA. MY ISSUE ISN'T WITH THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA OR PROPOSALS TO EXCLUDE ALL OF SOUTH TAMPA UP TO I-275. THE ARGUMENTS BEING MADE FOR THAT ISN'T THAT WE SHOULD BE ADOPTING A POLICY OF REAL CLIMATE -- SOMETHING I WOULD ACTUALLY SUPPORT, BUT WE SHOULD BE EXCLUDING MORE PEOPLE FROM LIVING IN THE MOST CONCLUSIVE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY AND SUPPORTING ACCESS DEMAND INTO OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS. THIS SHIFTS DEMAND IN EAST AND WEST TAMPA, RAISING LAND COSTS AND ACCELERATION BLACK AND BROWN NEIGHBORHOODS FACING PRESSURE FROM OVERFLOW. WHILE INTENTIONALLY CONCENTRATING DEVELOPMENT IN LOW INCOME COMMUNITIES WHEN WE KNOW THIS SPECIFIC RECIPE IS WHAT CAUSES DISPLACEMENT AND DESTRUCTION OF EXISTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS MORALLY INDEFENSIBLE. EAST AND WEST TAMPA HAVE OWN NEEDS FOR MORE HOUSING AND CAN'T BE A DUMPING GROUND FOR SOUTH TAMPA. I UNDERSTAND MANY IN SOUTH TAMPA THINK THEY ARE FULL. NOT DISPUTING SPECIFIC TECHNICAL CHANGES WITH MORE DEVELOPMENT IN SOUTH TAMPA. SOUTH TAMPA CANNOT BE CLOSED TO MORE DENSITY. AHISTORICAL AND INCOMPATIBLE WITH BUILDING A FUNCTIONAL AND MORAL CITY. THAT CAN NEVER HAPPEN. ANY EXCLUSION BEYOND THE COASTAL HAZARD AREA NOT JUST FOR THIS PROPOSAL BUT ANY CITYWIDE CHANGE IS A BETRAYAL. DOING IT WITHOUT DISTRICT 5 REPRESENTATION TO SPEAK UP FOR THEIR COMMUNITY WOULD BE SHAMELESS. IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE VOTES TO TRANSMIT TONIGHT, YOU MUST DELAY UNTIL DISTRICT FIVE HAS A VOICE. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, NATHAN. WE HAVE JASON RIC-MAN FOLLOWED BY STEPHEN MICHELINI. GOOD EVENING, START WITH YOUR NAME PLEASE. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JASON RICKMANS, DISTRICT 5 HERE. I FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS MEETING AT THE LAST MINUTE. I'M HERE TO SAY THAT EAST TAMPA NEEDS MORE DENSITY. SO I TRAVEL TO OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY AND I SEE TOWNHOME-STYLE DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES QUADS MULTIFAMILY APARTMENT COMPLEXES OR EVEN NONCONFORMING LOTS THAT I THINK WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN DISTRICT 5. BUT WHENEVER I GO TO THE CITY CENTER, LET'S SAY I FIND A 6,000-SQUARE-FOOT LOT AS OPPOSED TO ALLOWING ME TO SPLIT THE LOT AND BUILD TWO HOMES THAT WOULD BE AFFORDABLE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT DO LIVE IN DISTRICT FIVE, I'M TOLD, NO, AND TO BUILD SINGLE-FAMILY HOME, WHICH WOULD BE UNAFFORDABLE, LIKE, SO, FOR INSTANCE, A HALF A MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE WOULD COST ROUGHLY ABOUT -- THE MORTGAGE WOULD BE LIKE 6 GRAND. THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN EAST TAMPA CAN'T AFFORD STUFF LIKE THAT. SO, REALLY, WHENEVER I GO TO THE CITY CENTER AND INQUIRE ABOUT REZONING, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT. I'M TOLD THAT I NEED TO GO THROUGH A PD, A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, AND I'D HAVE TO PAY THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO GET SOMETHING REZONED TO SOMETHING MORE AFFORDABLE, AND THEY CAN TELL ME NO. AND IT WILL TAKE ME 18 MONTHS TO DO STUFF LIKE THAT. I THINK IT'S NOT FAIR. NOT JUST, NOT RIGHT. YEAH, I COULD BE TOLD NO WITH NO FURTHER RECOURSE. I JUST WANTED THAT TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WITH THIS NEW PLAN. THAT IS ALL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. STEVE MICHELINI FOLLOWED BY -- I CAN'T READ THE FIRST NAME -- BUT IT'S SHIFT. GORDON. >> STEVE MICHELINI. A COUPLE OF THINGS, I THINK THIS IS A REVISED PLAN FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION ADDRESSES A LOT OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE HELD -- YOU KNOW, THAT CAME OUT OF THE MEETINGS. BUT IT'S JUST TOO SOON FOR US TO TRY TO DIGEST ALL OF THAT. THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THERE. CERTAINLY, YOU RECEIVED AN E-MAIL THERE ME ENCOURAGING YOU TO CONTINUE THIS AND NOT TRANSMIT. BUT DEFINING THE TRANSIT CORRIDORS NEEDS TO BE BETTER DEFINED. IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE A QUARTER MILE, 8th OF AN MILE, YOU HAVE IN THE CODE ALREADY 300-FOOT RADIUSES, 250 FEET RADIUSES. YOU PLUG THEM INTO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S WEB PAGE AND IT COMES OUT. CALCULATING THAT AND CHANGING IT TO QUARTER MILES OR EIGHTHS OR 16ths IS MORE DIFFICULT. THAT SHOULD BE A DISTANCE AS OPPOSED TO QUARTER MILES. TOWN HOUSES DON'T BELONG IN THE MIDDLE OF SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS PERIOD. I DON'T KNOW OF ANY RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPER THAT WOULD COME IN AND PROPOSE SUCH A THING. THE PERIMETERS OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS IS ONE THING, BUT INSIDE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD, IT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED. AND YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE PROTECTED SO THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. EVEN IF YOU HAVE LARGE TRACTS OF LAND, THAT'S NOT WHAT IT WAS INTENDED TO DO. MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE GO INTO BONUS AGREEMENTS, THAT YOU EXTEND THE ABILITY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS BEYOND THE BOUNDARIES OF THAT PROJECT SO THAT IT HELPS TO CLEAN UP OR ADDRESS ISSUES THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE AREA OF THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF AND NOT JUST LIMITED TO THE IMMEDIATE AREA. OBVIOUSLY, STORMWATER AND SPECIFIC INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS WE LAG BEHIND SERIOUSLY. AND IF A PROJECT, LARGE OR SMALL, IF IT WANTS TO GO BEYOND THE PERIMETER AS A DONATION TOWARD, A CONTRIBUTION TOWARD MITIGATING ITS IMPACT, THAT SHOULD BE ALLOWED AND IT SHOULD BE CLEARLY DEFINED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS WELL AS THE UPDATE FOR THE CODES. THE RIGHTS-OF-WAY, AND WE TALKED ABOUT TRANSPORTATION -- THE RIGHTS-OF-WAY AND THE WIDTHS ARE FIXED. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO WIDEN ANY OF THESE STREETS. HOWARD AVENUE OR SWANN OR WHATEVER, YOU CAN'T WIDEN THEM WITHOUT TAKING OUT ALL THESE PROPERTIES. YOU ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT THE FACT THAT YOU'RE REQUIRING ADDITIONAL PARKING. THESE ARE URBAN STANDARDS. THEY ARE SUBURBAN STANDARDS BEING APPLIED TO URBAN AREAS. THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE CAUSING YOU TO GO IN AND DEMOLISH ADJACENT STRUCTURES, WHICH PROBABLY SHOULD NOT BE YOUR GOAL. ANYWAY, A COUPLE OF THINGS. THEY ARE SPECIFIC. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, STEPHEN. GORDON SHIFT, FOLLOWED BY MICHAEL MARINO. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS, MR. CHAIR. GORDON SHIFT, 4155 WEST CYPRESS STREET. I JUST WANTED, AFTER LISTENING TO THE INITIAL COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL, I'M INTERESTED IN HEARING WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK AND COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, WHO BROUGHT UP SOME INTERESTING IDEAS, ARE WORTHY OF EXPLORATION. I AM ALSO ONE WHO BELIEVES THAT TRANSIT IS COMING. I BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO RUN FROM DOWNTOWN TO WESTSHORE. I BELIEVE WESTSHORE WILL BE A HUGE LOCATION FOR TRANSIT. THERE ARE SOME RESERVED AREAS ALREADY, AND THEN THERE ALSO WILL BE TRANSIT GOING NORTH. IN THE MIDDLE YOU HAVE THE HEART OF THE CITY AND THE HEART OF THE CITY WILL BENEFIT FROM THAT. I'M HUGE SUPPORT OF THE STREETCAR BUT I THINK IT WILL BE SOMETHING MUCH MORE MODERN WHEN WE GET TO THE END OF IT. I WOULD ENCOURAGE TO YOU START PLANNING. I THINK THE TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS, OR WHATEVER YOU CALL THEM, SOMETIMES DO SCARE PEOPLE. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO DEFINE HUBS AND LOCATIONS AND THE ABILITY TO CREATE NEW HUBS. I THINK THEY ARE COMING. PEOPLE ARE COMING TO FLORIDA. WE NEED TO ACCOMMODATE THEM. WITH REGARD TO THE CITY OF TAMPA, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S PUSH-BACK FROM CERTAIN AREAS, AND THAT'S APPROPRIATE. SO YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO PLAN AROUND THAT. BUT THE HEART OF THE CITY AND GOING NORTH AND EAST AND WEST BETWEEN DOWNTOWN AND WESTSHORE IS HAPPENING, AND I THINK IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY AND I HOPE YOU DON'T LOSE IT. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. I'LL BE LOOKING FORWARD TO THE REST OF YOUR COMMENTS. THE OTHER MEMBERS I KNOW DIDN'T GET MUCH CHANCE TO SAY MUCH BUT I LOOK FORWARD TO THEIR COMMENTS AS WELL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. MICHAEL MARINO FOLLOWED BY SANDY SANCHEZ. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. MICHAEL MARINO, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF WESTSHORE ALLIANCE. THANK YOU FOR HAVING THIS MEETING. ALSO WANT TO THANK THE CITY STAFF AND THE PLANNING STAFF. EVAN JOHNSON -- WORKING WITH US ON THIS BUT ALSO MELISSA DICKENS AND JENNIFER MALONE. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS AS AN ORGANIZATION FOR THREE YEARS. JUST FROM THE PERSPECTIVE FOR THE SAKE OF THE AUDIENCE, THE WESTSHORE DISTRICT BY WHICH WE DEFINE IT IS HIMES AVENUE TO ROCKY POINT AND HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE TO KENNEDY. SO IT'S NOT INCLUSIVE OF SAY WESTSHORE MARINA, NOT INCLUSIVE SOUTH OF GANDY OR REALLY MUCH OF SOUTH OF KENNEDY. IT'S TRULY THE WESTSHORE ACTIVITY CENTER. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS PROVIDED AS PART OF THE COMP PLAN UPDATE IS A CONCEPT CALLED, A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT AREA. WHAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS IS ADVOCATE FOR SUSTAINABLE COASTAL GROWTH BECAUSE WESTSHORE IS LITERALLY ON THE SHORE. THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS, RIGHT. HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE HAVE SOME MECHANISM THAT ALLOWS THAT GROWTH GOING FORWARD WHILE ALSO UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HURRICANES, GOING TO HAVE SEA LEVEL RISE, SOME ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, HOW WE MANAGE THAT. THE COASTAL AREA AS PROPOSED DOES THAT. IF YOU LOOK ON THE MAP, IT REALLY FOCUSES ON WHERE YOU COULD DEVELOP MIXED USE. EXCLUDES WHERE YOU CAN DO SINGLE-FAMILY. BUT THE OTHER PART OF IT IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE AIRPORT'S HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS, THERE'S ALREADY A LIMIT ON WHERE YOU CAN PUT HOUSING AND THE DENSITY AND HEIGHTS OF HOUSING IN WESTSHORE. SO THE ULTIMATE EFFECT IS THAT WESTSHORE HAS THE SAME DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL AS DOWNTOWN, AS USF, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF HEIGHT. AND OBVIOUSLY THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN'T OVERCOME. WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK MENTIONED, WE'LL HAVE TO SEE THE LANGUAGE OF HER MOTION IS, BUT THE CONCEPT OF WESTSHORE, DOWNTOWN, CENTER CITY UP TO USF, HAVING A SIMILAR LAND USE POLICIES IS EFFECTIVE IN TERMS OF WHERE WE WANT TO GUIDE GROWTH. IT OBVIOUSLY CREATES TRANSIT OPPORTUNITIES. CREATES MIXED USE OPPORTUNITIES. GOING TO HAVE GROWTH IN THE CITY, WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT WHERE WE CAN PUT MIXED USE, HOW WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT IT BENEFITS OVERALL COMMUNITY BECAUSE THAT CREATES SUSTAINABLE ECONOMY, CREATES GROWTH GOING FORWARD BUT ALSO INCLUSIVE GROWTH BECAUSE YOU HAVE MULTIPLE USES ON THE SAME SITE. IT'S LESS OF A DRAIN ON INFRASTRUCTURE. I WANT TO MENTION THAT BECAUSE WHAT WE PROVIDED OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS, BOTH IN COMMENCE TO YOU PRIVATELY AND ALSO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF, IS THAT -- AND WE HAVE THIS BAY HERE. WE HAVE TO KIND OF DEAL WITH THIS WATERFRONT AND WHERE THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT AREA CONCEPT COMES IN, THAT'S WHERE IT DEALS WITH IT. YOU WANT TO HAVE GROWTH IN DOWNTOWN. YOU WANT TO HAVE GROWTH IN WESTSHORE. YOU WANT TO HAVE GROWTH IN THE CRA. SO THAT PART OF THIS PLAN IS VIABLE. WHETHER IT'S IN A PLACE LIKE HARBOUR ISLAND WHERE YOU CAN BUILD FOR IT JUST LIKE AT ROCKY POINT. THE BUILDING CODES ARE THERE. YOU SAW IT WITH HELENE. YOU SAW IT WITH MILTON. A LOT OF WHAT WAS POST HURRICANE ANDREW SURVIVED. AS LONG AS WE ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPMENT, WE'LL HAVE SUSTAINABILITY AND COASTAL PROPOSAL AS PROPOSED BY PLANNING COMMISSION IS A WAY TO GO WITH THAT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SANDY SANCHEZ FOLLOWED BY MICHELE OGILVIE. WELCOME BACK, MS. SANCHEZ. >> THANK YOU. >>MARTIN SHELBY: ADRIAN LARAMIE FOR AN ADDITIONAL MINUTE. TOTAL OF FOUR. >> I'M HERE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT WEST TAMPA. WHEN I SAW -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: START WITH YOUR NAME. YOU'VE BEEN GONE TOO LONG. >> SANDY SANCHEZ. I LIVE IN WEST TAMPA. WHEN I SAW THE LATEST AND THE GREATEST ON THIS, AND I SAW THE WEST TAMPA, COULD NOT RESIST PUTTING IN THE COMMUNITIES, THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE IN THAT COMMUNITY. WHY WOULD YOU HIGHLIGHT WEST TAMPA HERITAGE COMMUNITIES FOR DESTRUCTION? THIS PLANNING COMMISSION HAS ENCASED EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY WITH HIGH-DENSITY HOUSING. DO YOU SEE IT ELSEWHERE OTHER THAN YBOR CITY? WHY WAS THIS HERITAGE COMMUNITY WITH THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT AN IMPORTANT MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING BEING TARGETED? HOWARD AND ARMENIA AS A TRANSIT-READY CORRIDOR, TWO MAJOR ARTERIAL ROADS LESS THAN AN 8th OF A MILE APART. ARMORY GARDENS ALONE IS ONLY 48 SQUARE BLOCKS. IF YOU WERE TO SURROUND ARMORY GARDENS WITH THIS HOUSING, WE WOULD LOSE 14 BLOCKS. WE WOULD BE ENCASED IN MULTIFAMILY HOUSING, COMMERCIAL, WHICH WOULD JUST ADD MORE PROBLEMS TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. ARMENIA AND HOWARD ARE MAJOR ARTERIES, AND WHEN THE INTERSTATE IS BACKED UP, OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE USED AS SHORTCUTS TO GET OUT OF THE TRAFFIC. THE TRAFFIC IS HERE AND NOW. IT'S TODAY. IT'S NOT TOMORROW. WE NEED MASS TRANSIT NOW AND NEITHER THE CITY NOR THE COUNTY HAS ASKED FOR A STUDY TO SEE WHICH WOULD BE THE BEST POSSIBLE MASS TRANSPORTATION FOR THE SITUATION THAT IS COMING. I HAVE TO AGREE WITH MR. VIERA. I DO NOT HAVE A POSITIVE THOUGHT TOWARDS OUR PRESENTATION. THE BUS LINES AND THE TROLLEY WILL HAVE TO GO ON CITY ROADS AND THEY HAVE THE SAME PROBLEMS THAT PEOPLE IN CARS DO. YOU ARE IN TROUBLE WHEN THERE IS A BACKUP. BUSES CANNOT BE ON TIME. NEITHER CAN THE TROLLEY WHEN THEY ARE STUCK IN TRAFFIC WHICH MAKES THEM NOT A RESPONSIBLE MEANS OF TRANSPORTATION. WHAT MONEY WOULD WE USE? TRANSIT READY CORRIDORS. THE WORD READY IMPLIES THAT YOU'RE READY FOR SOMETHING. YOU HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE. WE DO NOT. WE HAVE JUST SEEN THE STATE DEFUND MANY PROJECTS IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S FUNDING WITH THE PRESENT ADMINISTRATION IS NONEXISTENT. WE HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS IN OUR PRESENT BUDGET THAT COUNT FOR FEDERAL FUNDS. JUST THINK ABOUT IT. HOW CAN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS 2045 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHEN YOU KNOW THE END RESULTS WILL BE HEAVY TRAFFIC CONGESTION WITH NO PLANNING SOLUTIONS. PLEASE SEND THE PLANNING COMMISSION BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND SAVE THE GREAT CITY OF TAMPA FROM THIS IRRATIONAL INSANITY. DESTROY THE SAFETY AND QUALITY OF LIFE IN EXCHANGE FOR AUTOMOBILE EXHAUST. PLEASE SAY NO. I KNOW PRESSURE IS ON TO APPROVE, BUT PLEASE SEND THE PLANNING COMMISSION BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD. PROTECT THE TAX-PAYING CITIZENS, YOUR CONSTITUENTS FROM THE CHAOS FROM THIS PLAN. A YEAR AGO WHEN WE WERE FIRST ASKED TO HELP WITH THIS PLAN, WE ASKED FOR A HOUSING STUDY. WE WERE TOLD THEY WERE NOT AVAILABLE. TOOK ME THREE WEEKS TO GET THE REPORTS FROM JC HUDGENS FROM PERMITTING. IN 2024, THERE WERE 2400 -- 2,480 UNITS. WE NEED 1400 UNITS A YEAR FOR THE 2045 PLAN, AND WE NEED 1500 A YEAR AND ALREADY IN 2025, WE'VE ALREADY PERMITTED FOR THE SIX MONTHS 1,780 UNITS. THIS PLAN -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, MS. SANCHEZ. >> -- IS FOR WHAT? PLEASE DO SOMETHING ABOUT FIXING IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MICHELE OGILVIE FOLLOWED BY DEBBIE ZIMMERMAN. >> THANK YOU. MICHELE OGILVIE. I'M REPRESENTING THE UNIVERSITY SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION. I'D LIKE TO THANK MR. VIERA, MR. CARLSON, MR. CLENDENIN FOR COMING TO US THESE PAST YEARS. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MS. HURTAK FOR ALLOWING US THIS OPPORTUNITY. MR. MIRANDA, YOU ARE THE BEST, AND SO IS MR. MANISCALCO. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO I'VE DONE THAT. WE HAVE SEVERAL REQUESTS THAT WE HAVE PUT TO YOU IN WRITING AND COPIED THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THE FIRST ONE IS TO REMOVE THE DESIGNATION OF FOWLER AVENUE ACTIVITY CENTER FROM EVERY RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATION BETWEEN NEBRASKA AND 30th STREET AND NORTH OF 109th. WE KNOW WHAT IS COMING, AND WE CANNOT DEAL WITH THIS UNTIL WE HAVE A GOOD PLANNING PRODUCT, A NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING PRODUCT THAT ALLOWS US TO GIVE THE VOICE OF THOSE WHO ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS PLAN. WE HAVE A LOT OF TRANSIT DEPENDENT PEOPLE WHO LIVE ALREADY IN THE CORRIDORS THAT ARE BEING SUGGESTED TO CHANGE, AND THEY HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD FROM. WE AS THE UNIVERSITY SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION, HAVE ADVANCED OUR VIEW, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE FOWLER AVENUE REDEVELOPMENT FROM THE INTERSTATE TO THE INTERSTATE ON FOWLER AVENUE. OUR FIRST REQUIREMENT IS THAT IT BECOME PEOPLE FOCUSED AND NOT CAR FOCUSED. SO WE HAVE ASKED FOR SOME CHANGES TO THE WORDING IN POLICY, I THINK 2.3.2 THAT STARTS OFF WITH 45 MILES PER HOUR SPEED. IT'S ALREADY THAT. WE'VE HAD NINE PEOPLE KILLED, OUR NEIGHBORS, WITHIN THE TIME FRAME OF ANY DATA ASSOCIATED BECAUSE DATA IS NEVER -- VERY INCONVENIENT TRUTH. SO WE MUST HAVE MORE FOCUS ON WHAT IT IS WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE IN THIS AREA. WE SUPPORT THE REDEVELOPMENT THAT HAS OCCURRED ON FOWLER AVENUE TO DATE WITH WHAT'S CALLED METRO TAMPA. NEW PEOPLE ARE THERE. OUR STUDENTS ARE THERE. THEY ARE CROSSING THE ROAD AND USING THE FACILITIES, AND WE SAY YAY. PLEASE CONTINUE TO FOCUS YOUR ATTENTION ON FOWLER AVENUE, THE STREET. CHILDREN WALK 50 OR MORE PERCENT TO THE SCHOOLS EVERY DAY AND WE CANNOT HAVE ANY MORE FATALITIES AS WE HAVE HAD OVER THE YEARS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCIL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DEBBIE, FOLLOWED BY SUSAN SWIFT. >> IS THAT ON THERE CORRECTLY? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THERE IS A WHEEL ON THE TOP. >> DEBBIE ZOMERMAAND. FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF AND CITY OF TAMPA STAFF FOR THEIR ASSISTANCE AND PARTICIPATION IN THE MEETINGS. I THINK THEY WERE GREAT. I ATTENDED SEVERAL OF THEM AS WELL AND I'VE HEARD VERY GOOD COMMENTS TONIGHT, AND I THINK A LOT OF THEM SHOULD BE FOLLOWED. I THINK THEY WERE GREAT. PARTICULARLY PAULA MECKLEY AND I BELIEVE CARROLL ANN BENNETT WILL GIVE VERY GOOD COMMENTS AS WELL THAT OVER THE COURSE OF THE MEETINGS IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT I HEARD THE COMMUNITY ASKING FOR. I HAVE OUTLINED MY OBSERVATIONS AND CONCERNS FROM A GLOBAL PERSPECTIVE, AND CHANGES IDENTIFIED IN THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT ARE TOO BROAD AND NEED MORE SPECIFICITY TO ENSURE SMART, TARGETED DEVELOPMENT IN AREAS WHERE GROWTH IS PREFERRED. THE 2045 COMP PLAN PROPOSAL REFLECTS EXPECTED RESIDENTIAL AND JOB GROWTH WITHOUT ADDRESSING THE FACT THAT MUCH OF THE GROWTH IS CONTEMPLATED WITHIN THE CURRENT PLAN. ANY AMENDMENT TO THE COMP PLAN WITHOUT FURTHER REFINING THE NET CHANGE IN GROWTH IS PREMATURE. WHEN REFERRING TO THE CONSISTENCY MATRIX, WHICH IS THIS MATRIX RIGHT HERE, IT'S CLEAR THAT THE R-10 DISTRICT IS A SINGLE-FAMILY DISTRICT. IF YOU GO IN AND YOU LOOK AT THE CURRENT DEFINITION OF TOWNHOMES, TOWN HOUSES, IT DOES SAY TWO OR MORE SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLINGS WITHIN A STRUCTURE HAVING COMMON SIDE WALLS, FRONT AND REAR YARDS AND INDIVIDUAL ENTRYWAYS, SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING AND SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED DWELLING. THOSE ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED IN AN L-10. I THINK WHAT YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS FOCUS ON THE FACT THAT MULTIFAMILY HAS BEEN INTRODUCED INTO THIS TOWNHOME CONCEPT. IT SHOULD BE TOTALLY REMOVED FROM THE R-10 CONCEPT. THERE SHOULD BE NO REFERENCE TO MULTIFAMILY IN THE R-10. WITHIN R-10 DISTRICTS, ALLEY ACCESS SHOULD BE REQUIRED FOR ALL SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED AND SEMI DETACHED RESIDENTIAL UNITS. I THINK YOU'VE SEEN PLENTY OF INFORMATION AT THESE MEETINGS WHERE LOSING CURB CUTS CAN CREATE SIGNIFICANT PROBLEMS, AND WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AGAINST THAT. TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS SHOULD BE FURTHER REFINED TO BETTER ALIGN WITH REGIONAL ACTIVITY CENTERS, AREAS OF PROJECTED GROWTH AND AREAS WITH ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS ABLE TO SUPPORT ADDITIONAL GROWTH. PRIOR TO ESTABLISHING A TRANSIT-READY CORRIDOR, THE ROADWAY SHOULD BE ANALYZED TO ASSURE THAT SUFFICIENT INFRASTRUCTURE CAPACITY WILL EXIST TO SUPPORT THE GROWTH CONSISTENT WITH SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS' COMMENTS HERE. I DEFER TO THE EXPERTS, BUT IT SEEMS THAT ROADWAYS WITH POOR LEVELS OF SERVICE, REGULAR FLOODING, LITTLE TO NO CURRENT OR PROPOSED TRANSIT ACTUALLY ARE NOT TRANSIT-READY. PROPOSED TRCs NOT OWNED BY THE CITY NEED TO BE REVIEWED TO ENSURE THAT IF IMPROVEMENTS ARE NECESSARY, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS WOULD BE PRIORITIZED BY THE NON-CITY ENTITY OWNING THE ROADWAY. IN ADDITION TO THE FOREGOING, THERE HAVE BEEN AND WILL BE CHANGES TO OTHER SECTIONS OF THE COMP PLAN WHICH COULD ADVERSELY IMPACT FUTURE LAND USE SECTIONS. RESIDENTS NEED TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE MEANINGFUL COMMENTS AS TO FUTURE VERSIONS OF THE PLAN ARE RELEASED. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. WE'RE GOING TO LISTEN TO SUSAN SWIFT, COME ON UP. AFTER SUSAN SPEAKS, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A BREAK. IT WILL BE A REAL 15-MINUTE BREAK. I'M GOING TO GAVEL IN RIGHT AT 15. SO I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY BACK IN THEIR SEATS. SO WHEN WE COME BACK, SO WE CAN START. IT'S STILL GOING TO BE -- I DON'T KNOW. WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF SPEAKERS IN FRONT OF US. IF YOU ARE THINKING YOU'RE GOING TO NEED A BREAK, I'LL GIVE YOU ONE IN A MINUTE. SUSAN, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. >> SUSAN SWIFT. I'M SPEAKING AS A HOMEOWNER AND CERTIFIED URBAN PLANNER. I APPRECIATE THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE SO FAR. I THINK THEY ARE GREAT. I DON'T THINK IT GOES FAR ENOUGH. SO MY KIND OF TOP FOUR CONCERNS ARE THERE SHOULD BE NO TRANSIT READY CORRIDOR OR BONUSES AS THEY ARE IN EFFECT NOW OR AS THEY ARE DRAFTED NOW. NOT IN THE REZ 10, NO TOWNHOMES AT ALL IN THE RESIDENTIAL 10. I THINK THERE SHOULD BE ADDED DENSITY PUT ON THE LAND USE MAP IN APPROPRIATE PLACES WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT AND OR WHERE WE HAVE REAL TRANSIT AND OR WHERE WE HAVE MEANINGFUL TRANSIT THAT'S ACTUALLY BUDGETED. MY FOURTH POINT AND I'LL EXPLAIN SOME OF THEM, I THINK THIS IS KIND OF FORGOTTEN ABOUT THE LIVE LOCAL ACT AND THE BENEFITS AND THE INCENTIVES THAT THAT PROVIDES. I'LL EXPLAIN MORE ABOUT THAT LATER. IN TERMS OF THE OVERALL NEED, I THINK MS. ZORNITTA SAID WE WANT TO INCENTIVIZE GROWTH. I THINK THE THEME OF THE PLAN SHOULD BE WE WANT TO DIRECT GROWTH. THERE ARE PLACES THAT NEED INCENTIVES AND THEN THERE ARE LOTS OF PLACES THAT, AS YOU'VE HEARD, DON'T NEED OR WANT INCENTIVES. SO I THINK IT'S REALLY, WHERE CAN WE DIRECT THEM. A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS ARE WHY. WHY DO WE NEED -- I HAVEN'T SEEN EVIDENCE. WHY DO WE NEED 5400 MORE TOWNHOME LOTS OR TOWNHOMES SPRINKLED, NOT IN ANY PLACE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH FOR TRANSIT, BUT SPRINKLED THROUGH OUR SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. I HAVEN'T SEEN REAL EVIDENCE AS TO WHY WE NEED 24,300 PARCELS THAT WOULD ALLOW THE BONUS FOR TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS. IT'S WHAT'S THE REAL GOAL, AND I FEEL LIKE THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF KIND OF BACKWARDNESS. REGARDING MORE SPECIFICALLY, I THINK TRANSIT READY CORRIDOR IS A EUPHEMISM AND THE PLAN KIND OF HAS IT BACKWARDS. TRANSIT IS SUPPOSED TO COME BEFORE DENSITY. IT REALLY MAKES A MOCKERY OF CONCURRENCY, WHICH I KNOW ISN'T AS STRONG AS IT USED TO BE, BUT OUR PLANS REALLY ARE BASED ON ADEQUATE FACILITIES. SO I DON'T THINK WE WOULD ADD 30,000 MORE UNITS, THINKING IT'S GOING TO GET US BETTER SCHOOLS OR BETTER POLICE FUNDING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. DENSITY DOESN'T BRING TRANSIT. FUNDING DOES. THE ADDED DENSITY IN THIS LAND USE PLAN IS REALLY NOT GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO BRING DENSITY ALL ALONG THESE CORRIDORS. YES, DALE MABRY IS SOMETHING WHERE THERE SHOULD BE TRANSIT READY DENSITIES, BUT IN NODES, IN INTERSECTIONS, NOT ALONG EVERY SINGLE BLOCK. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, MS. SWIFT. HAVE A WONDERFUL EVENING. IT IS 6:56. WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A 15-MINUTE BREAK. SO EVERYBODY BACK IN THEIR SEATS AT 7:16 -- SEE, I CAN'T EVEN COUNT. 7:10. THANK YOU TO THE SCHOOLTEACHER. JAMIE JONES AND CARROLL ANN BENNETT ARE THE NEXT TWO SPEAKERS. [BREAK] . >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE ARE GOING TO START. [GAVEL SOUNDING] >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE COUNCIL TO ORDER. QUIET, PLEASE. ROLL CALL. >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE. >>BILL CARLSON: HERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE. >>CLERK: YOU HAVE OF A PHYSICAL FORUM. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SPEAKS -- SPEAKER. 15 SPEAKS LEFT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. >> CAN I SAY ONE OPERATIONAL THING. I KNOW WE HAVE A TRANSCRIPT HERE, BUT I AM TRYING TO TAKE NOTES. WHEN YOU ALL MENTION, LIKE, LU 3. .1, BLAH-BLAH-BLAH. IF YOU SPEAK REALLY FAST, I CAN'T WRITE IT DOWN. WE HAVE TRANSCRIPT AND EVERYTHING BUT IF YOU HAVE PRINTOUTS OF IT IF YOU CAN GIVE IT TO US OR JUST SPEAK A LITTLE BIT SLOWLY WHEN READING THROUGH NUMBERS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE ARE ALL TAKING NOTES. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO SAY THAT IS WHY I CALLED A BREAK. I AM MEETING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF AND TALKED TO THEM. THEY ARE ALSO TAKING NOTES. AND AFTER WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION -- WE CAN LET THEM GET THEIR THOUGHTS TOGETHER SO WE CAN GO FORWARD. BUT THEY ARE TAKING DETAILED NOTES AS WELL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE WATCHED THEM DILIGENTLY SKREBLING OVER THERE. AS PROMISED, WE HAVE JAMIE JONES FOLLOWED BY CARROLL ANN BENNETT. JAMIE? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE. >> JAMIE JONES. ALL RIGHT. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ME. SO I LIVE IN WEST TAMPA HEIGHTS I WORK AT TAMPA BAY BUSINESS PARK ON MLK. THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE FROM MY HOUSE. BETWEEN MY HOUSE AND WHERE I WORK IS MY DAY CARE FOR MY KID. I DO TRY TO LIVE AND WORK AND PLAY IN A VERY SMALL AREA BECAUSE -- ALSO BECAUSE I AM A PLANNER, RIGHT. IT MEANS A LOT TO ME TO HAVE A WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE I CAN DO EVERYTHING RIGHT WHERE I AM. MOST OF THE DAYS, I DON'T DRIVE, RIGHT? I BIKE FOR WALK TO WORK -- WALK MY KID TO DAY CARE. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I HAVE, I THINK, FOUR POINTS AND A BUNCH OF RANDOM STUFF I AM GOING TO PUT ON RECORD. THE FIRST, MY MAIN COMPLAINT IN GENERAL ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA IS THAT IT IS SO BLANKETED. AND THAT ECHOS A BUNCH OF OTHER PEOPLE HERE. I DO AGREE THAT EAST AND WEST TAMPA ARE THE BEST PLACES TO DIRECT GROWTH AND IMPROVEMENT -- AND IMPROVEMENTS. AND THAT IS BECAUSE OF INHERENT INFRASTRUCTURE COST WHEN WE ARE TALKING OF SOUTH AND NORTH TAMPA. WE SHOULD ALL RECOGNIZE THAT. NEXT THING, I THINK THE NUMBER OF TRCs CAN BE NARROWED TO FOCUS ON CORRIDORS HAVE HAVE TRANSIT BASED ON EXISTING ASSETS TODAY. IF WE SAY AIRPORT TOWARD ARMATURE WORKS TO RIVER WALK TO WEST SHORE AND TO THE AIRPORT. LET'S LINK ALL OF THIS TOGETHER AND CREATE ONE NICE LOOP, AND IT WOULD BE AWESOME. RIGHT. LET'S SEE. AND I AM LEAVING OUT NORTH TAMPA, BUT, OF COURSE, THEY ARE VERY DEPENDENT FOR A LOT OF REASONS ON TRANSIT. SO LET'S KEEP INVESTING IN TRANSIT, NORTH, SOUTH. MOSTLY JUST FROM NORTH TO CENTRAL. I LOVE WHAT BILL CARLSON SAID OF IDENTIFYING LOCATIONS FOR NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS. I DO REALLY WANT US TO DO THAT. THAT IS REALLY RESOURCE INTENSIVE TO DO IT. OTHERWISE WE HAVE TO SUPPLEMENT THAT. I WANT A MEETING FOCUSED SPECIFICALLY ON CREATING WHAT NE NEEDS. I THINK THE TRANSPORTATION OBJECTIVES ARE BEING MET WITH THIS COMP PLAN UPDATE SETTING UP A REALLY GOOD LDC DEBATE, BUT I FEEL LIKE UKRAINE CALLING FOR SECURITY GUARANTEES, RIGHT. REALLY EXCITED FOR THAT LDC BATTLE WE ARE ABOUT TO GO THROUGH. OTHER STUFF. A BUNCH OF GREAT PEOPLE AND GREAT MINDS HERE THAT HAVE SAID THINGS THAT I REALLY AGREE WITH. I AM EXCITED TO JOIN THEM. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, JAMIE. CARROLL ANN BENNETT. SHE HAS GOT SOMETHING TO SAY. >> I DO. WHERE IS THE REMOTE FOR THE -- I HAVE A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, IF THEY CAN BRING THAT UP. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LEAVE IT ON THE COUNTER. >> A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION. IF YOU CAN BRING THAT UP. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT'S COMING UP. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MISS BENNETT HAS SEVEN NAMES. PAULA PERRY. IF YOU CAN RAISE YOUR HAND. HI, THANK YOU. JOSEPH FIC -- CLOSE ENOUGH. THANK YOU. LARRY McMAHON. THANK YOU. JIM McMAHON. THANK YOU. LEE TOREY. THANK YOU. SEVEN PLUS THREE EQUALS TEN. TEN MINUTES PLEASE. >> I CAN'T START UNTIL THEY BRING MY POWERPOINT UP. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE SEE IT BUT IT HAVEN'T COME UP ON THE SCREEN. THERE WE GO. >> ALL RIGHT, LET ME MAKE SURE THAT I -- ALL RIGHT. HERE WE GO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: START WITH YOUR NAME AND YOU HAVE TEN MINUTES. >> MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT. I AM A LIFE-LONG RESIDENT OF SOUTH TAMPA. WE KNOW THE CURRENT LAND USE MAP HAS THE CAPACITY FOR OUR PROJECTED GROWTH. WHAT WE NEED IS SPECIFIC SURGICAL, STRATEGIC, AND SMART GROWTH. THE CURRENT PROPOSAL DOES NOT DO THAT. 24 SO-CALLED TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS IS THE OPPOSITE OF THAT. IT PUTS GROWTH EVERYWHERE. I AM A GARDENER. I KNOW THAT FERTILIZER IS EXPENSIVE. IF THE PLANTS IN ONE CORN REMEMBER GROWING LIKE GANGBUSTERS, I DO NOT PUT FERTILIZER THERE THAT WOULD CAUSE EXCESSIVE GROWTH TO THRIVE OUT THE THRIVING PLANTS AND KILL SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL. I PUT MY RESOURCE THERE IS TO ENCOURAGE GROWTH SO MY WHOLE GARDEN IS BEAUTIFUL, NOT JUST ONE CORNER. THE CURRENT PLAN WILL DROWN SOME AREAS AND STARVE THE STRUGGLING ONES. WHAT WE NEED IS SOMETHING LIKE THIS. ADD TO THE AREAS THAT NEED IT. ADD DUPLEXES AND TOWN HOMES WHERE THEY ARE MOST BENEFICIAL. ADD DESIGNATED NODES THAT USE THE FOUR Ss OF GROWTH. TALK TO A SANDY SANCHEZ AND A CARLOS RAMIREZ OR CHARLIE ADAMS OR A CONNIE BURTON. THAT'S HOW YOU FIGURE OUT WHAT MAKES SENSE. TALK TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN FOREST HILLS, YBOR, UNIVERSITY SQUARE AND DREW PARK. THEY ARE THE EXPERTS. LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE AND REDO IT. BY 45 WE ARE PROJECTED TO HAVE 47,000 MORE PEOPLE, WHICH IS 32,000 MORE UNITS. HERE IS AN ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE PROPOSAL TO GIVE A FREE DENSITY BUMP TO SEVEN FLUs THAT WILL GREET 60,000 MORE UNITS. TO MAKE IT WORSE, IT IS NOT EVEN TARGETED .IT IS SPREAD EVENLY THROUGHOUT THE CITY. THE IDEA WAS TO TAKE AWAY THE ABILITY TO BONUS IN THE CHHA AND GIVE THIS INCREASE IN ORDER TO BALANCE OUT THAT LOSS. THE PROBLEM IS THE MATH. ONLY 2900 UNITS ARE LOST, BUT 46,000 UNITS ARE GAINED. THAT DOES NOT BALANCE THE SCALES. IT CAUSES THEM TO TOPPLE OVER AND FALL TO THE GROUND. IN 2023, 511,000 PEOPLE MOVED OUT OF FLORIDA. THE NET MIGRATION DROPPED 50%. THE FIRST MAJOR DROP IN A DECADE. THE 2024-'25 NET MIGRATION MAY BE EVEN LOWER DUE TO THE DEVASTATING STORM SEASON AND HEAT. POPULATION PROJECTIONS COULD CHANGE. MAYBE WE SHOULD SLOW DOWN. THERE IS ALSO AS PROPOSAL TO MASSIVELY INCREASE F.A.R. ON TOP OF THIS. THIS IS JUST ONE OF THE FLU IF CATEGORIES, UMU-60, UP TO.106 F.A.R. WHAT 4.0 U F.A.R. LOOKED LIKE BUILT IN CHANNELSIDE WITH A 4.0 F.A.R. DO YOU KNOW WHERE ALL THE UMU PARCEL ARE LOCATED IN THE CITY? HERE ARE JUST THE ONES AT DALE MABRY AND GANDY. THE ONE ON THE WEST ARE IN THE CHHA AND THEY WOULDN'T BE ELIGIBLE FOR THIS, BUT THE OTHERS ARE. YOU CAN'T APPROVE SOMETHING UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT THE CONSEQUENCES ARE. SAME THING GOES FOR THE SIZES OF OUR LOW AND MID-RISE LAND USE CATEGORIES WITH LOW OR IMMEDIATE DENSITIES. /* PDs ARE USED AS LOOPHOLE TO CIRCUMVENT THE CURRENT PROCESS. TO ASK FOR A PLAN AMENDMENT FOR A HIGHER LAND USE, A FLUE, IF THE DEVELOPER WANTS TO DEVELOP A HIGH-RISE PROPERTY ON A PROPERTY THAT DOESN'TA LO YOU IT. BUY A LOW OR MID-RISED PROPERTY, THEY SHOULD HAVE TO GET A PLANNED AMENDMENT TO BUILD A HIGH-RISE. THIS LOOPHOLE IS FORCING NEIGHBORHOODS TO WAGE STRESSFUL AND EXHAUSTING BATTLES FOR 100-FOOT BUILDINGS. THIS THREATENS OUR SAFETY. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT RESPONSE STANDARDS ARE DIFFERENT FOR HIGH-RISES. AT A CITY COUNCIL HEARING, WE WERE TOLD THAT THE RESPONSE STANDARD FOR A SINGLE ALARM AT A HIGH-RISE WITH NO SMOKER FIRE. THEY GAVE THE EXAMPLE OF BURNT TOAST IS 43 FIREFIGHTING PERSONNEL. THAT REQUIRES ALL OF THE EIGHT STATIONS YOU SEE CROSSED OUT IN BLUE. IF IT INCREASES TO A SECOND ALARM, IT REQUIRES 80 PERSONNEL, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE ALL 14 OF THE CROSSED OUT STATIONS. IF ANY OF THEM ARE ON A CALL, A STATION FARTHER AWAY MUST RESPOND IN THEIR PLACE. ALL THOSE CROSSED-OUT STATIONS BECOME UNAVAILABLE FOR OTHER CALLS. THAT COULD COST SOMEONE THEIR LIFE. THE RESPONSE TIME STANDARD FOR A SINGLE ALARM AT A HIGH-RISE IS 10 MINUTES, 10 SECONDS. ONLY THE PURPLE AREAS ON THIS MAP CAN MEET THAT REQUIREMENT. ALL OF THE GRAY AREAS CANNOT MEET THE REQUIREMENT. FOR THIS REASON ALONE, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO BUILD A HIGH-RISE IN A MID-RISED FLU, THEY SHOULD FOLLOW PROPER PROCEDURES AND GET A PLAN AMENDMENT. THIS IS FROM THE MAYOR'S RECENT STORMWATER MEETINGS. THEY SPECIFICALLY HIGHLIGHTED THE SOUTH TAMPA PENINSULA. THEY CAME RIGHT OUT AND SAID THEY CANNOT PREVENT FLOODING IN IT. THIS IS A PUBLIC SAFETY INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUE. THIS ISN'T A LIFESTYLE CHOICE. SOUTH TAMPA IS DIFFERENT. ITS RESIDENTS LIVE ON A DEAD END WITH ONLY ONE WAY TO EVACUATE THE PENINSULA AND A LACK OF INVESTMENT, THE PARKS AND ROADS ARE FALLING APART WHILE STREETS AND HOUSES ARE FLOODING. THE ROADS AND SCHOOLS HAVE ALSO STRETCHED BEYOND CAPACITY. SOUTH TAMPA HAD THE HIGHEST OR SECOND HIGHEST GROWTH RATE IN THE CITY FROM 2010 TO 2020 AT 14%. THAT HAS PUSHED OUT MIDDLE AND LOWER INCOME RESIDENTS AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING HAS BEEN DEMOLISHED TO MAKE ROOM FOR McMANSIONS. IF THE CURRENT COMP PLAN IS NOT CHANGED -- GOT SOMETHING BACKWARDS HERE. THERE WE GO. IF THE CURRENT COMP PLAN IS NOT CHANGED, IF YOU LEAVE EVERYTHING THE SAME, SOUTH TAMPA IS EXPECTED TO HAVE THE HIGHEST RATE OF GROWTH IN THE CITY THROUGH 2050. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR A DECREASE IN DENSITY LIMITS. WE ARE JUST ASKING YOU TO LEAVE IT THE SAME. WHICH, AS YOU CAN SEE, WILL PRODUCE A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN DENSITY IN SOUTH TAMPA THE LANGUAGE IN THE YELLOW BOX, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO PROTECT LIVES IS PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED FROM THE COMP PLAN. PLEASE KEEP THIS LANGUAGE IN THE COMP PLAN. THE STORMWATER DEPARTMENT SAYS ALL OF SOUTH TAMPA'S OUTFALLS ARE AT FULL CAPACITY. THE TREMENDOUS REDUCTION OF PERMEABLE SURFACE, EXCESSIVE BUILDING IN SOUTH TAMPA HAS INCREASED STORMWATER FLOOD WILLING .IN ADDITION AS OF 2021, TAMPA HAS LOST 3300 ACRES OF TREE CANOPY. I AM SURE IT IS A LOT MORE NOW. TREES CAPTURE AND HOLD WATER SO IT NEVER REACHES THE GROUND, EVEN AFTER THE TREES ARE SATURATED THEY MITIGATE FLOODING AND SLOW THE WATER DOWN GIVING DRAINAGE SYSTEMS MORE TIME TO HANDLE THE DELUGE. FLOODING THAT THEY EXPERIENCED LAST YEAR WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE WITHOUT THE STORMWATER MITIGATION THAT THE TREES PROVIDED. SOUTH TAMPA HAS LOST MORE TREES THAN ANY OTHER PART OF THE CITY LARGELY DUE TO GROWTH. I'M ASKING YOU TO PLEASE DELETE LU POLICY 7.1.4 WHICH ALLOWS AN INCREASE OF DENSITY LIMITS IN THE CHHA. THE MOST IRRESPONSIBLE THING YOU CAN DO IS INCREASE DENSITY UNITS IN THE CHHA. PLEASE APPROVE POLICY 7.1.2, SAYING PLAN AMENDMENTS THAT INCREASE RESIDENTIAL DENSITIES IN THE CHHA ARE PRO LIBERTY AND SHALL NOT BE ACCEPTED. PLEASE GET RID OF THE RATTLESNAKE POINT EXCEPTION A LEFTOVER FROM 20 YEARS AGO. THAT IS JUST NUTS. HERE IS A MAP OF WHERE NOT TO INCREASE DENSITY LIMITS. EVERY PERSON YOU ADD TO THAT CIRCLE IS ANOTHER PERSON ON THE ROAD TRYING TO EVACUATE. ONE THING THAT PEOPLE WHO NEVER HAVE BEEN FORCED TO EVACUATE DON'T REALIZE THAT YOU CAN'T GO TO WORK WHEN YOU EVACUATE. SO IN ADDITION TO THE EXPENSE OF EVACUATION, MOST PEOPLE IN THAT CIRCLE WON'T GET PAID. REALLY SHOULD WE PUT MORE PEOPLE IN THE CIRCLE? OR INSTEAD SHOULD WE INCREASE DENSITY WHERE PEOPLE CAN SHELTER IN PLACE. AND I WANT TO REMIND YOU, SOUTH TAMPA IS IT GOING TO GROW NO MATTER WHAT. IF YOU LEAVE EVERYTHING THE SAME, IT IS GOING TO GROW. WE NEED TO RETHINK THE SOUTH TAMPA STRATEGY AND NEED TO BE BASED ON INFRASTRUCTURE FIRST. I HAVE A LIST OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN THIS UPDATE. I HOPE YOU WILL CONSIDER IT SERIOUSLY. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, MISS BENNETT. TABA BLUMA FOLLOWED B BY MALIK ABDULLAH. GOOD EVENING. START WITH YOUR NAME. >> GOOD EVENING, TARA BLUMA. SORRY, I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS NEXT. I AM GOING TO TRY TO BE VERY SPECIFIC FOR YOU. LU POLICY 2.2.3 -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: START WITH YOUR NAME. >> I SAID TARA BLUMA. MAY I PROCEED? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GO AHEAD. >> GOOD EVENING, I AM TA TARA BLUMA, LU POLICY 2.2.3, REDEVELOPMENT ALONG MULTIMODAL CORRIDORS SHALL FOSTER A BUILT ENVIRONMENT THAT ENCOURAGES VARIOUS MODES OF TRANSPORTATION AND CONNECTIONS. THIS IS VERY VAGUE. WHERE THIS IS MOST LIKELY GOING TO HAPPEN IS IN ESTABLISHED AIR GRASS WITH ABUTTING NEIGHBORHOODS. CAN WE ADD ANY WORDS OF ANY INFILL DEVELOPMENT MUST KEEP THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD IN HEIGHT, SCALE AND MASS? LU TABLE 3. I THINK WE SHOULD ELIMINATE THE BY RIGHT DENSITY INCREASES IN THE SEVEN FLUES LISTED. LU POLICY 3.1.17. ABSOLUTELY DO NOT CHANGE R-50 TO HIGH-RISE HIGH DENSITY FLUES. 4-50 UNDER THE 2040 COMP PLAN IS CURRENTLY MIDDLE DENSITY AND MID-RISE SMALL LOT SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS. IT SHOULD REMAIN THAT WAY. LU POLICY 7.1.4, ABSOLUTELY NOT. CORRIDORS. I E-MAIL ED ABOUT A FEW SPEAKER AGO ABOUT WE ALL KNOW THE CONSTRAINTS ON THE BUDGET AND THE LIMITED TRANSPORTATION AND TRANSIT DOLLARS THAT YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH IN THE CITY. THE LASER FOCUS IN FUNNELS THOSE DOLLARS TO THE AREAS WHERE YOU CAN MAKE THE MOST IMPACT. IF IN FIVE OR TEN YEARS, YOU FOUND A LOT OF SUCCESS WITH THE REGIONAL TRANSIT CORRIDORS, GREAT. YOU CAN ALWAYS ADD MORE, BUT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO CLAW BACK DENSITY BONUSES AND BY RIGHT DENSITY ONCE YOU GIVE IT AWAY. IT IS GOING TO BECOME A PROPERTY RIGHT. R-10 DESIGNATION. I WOULD ECHO WHAT PAULA MACKLY SAID OF REMOVE MULTIFAMILY FROM THAT DESIGNATION. I ALSO ENCOURAGE YOU TO USE THIS REVISION PROCESS TO REMOVE ALL PD LOOPHOLES THAT DEVELOPERS HAVE BEEN TAKING ADVANTAGE OF. REQUIRE PEOPLE TO ASK FOR PLAN AMENDMENTS. THEY HAVE GOTTEN AWAY WITH WAY TOO MANY OUTRAGEOUS PROJECTS RECENTLY BY UTILIZING PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS. AND THAT IS REALLY IN BLATANT VIOLATION OF YOUR INTENT AND YOUR RULES. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MALIK ABDULLAH FOLLOWED BY -- OH, GOSH, YOU GUYS -- CARLOS RAMIREZ. YOU ARE GOING TO START ME WRITING BETTER BECAUSE I AM TERRIBLE. THAT'S WHY I LOOK AT YOU. MALIK IS NOT HERE? GOING ONCE -- GOING TWICE? OKAY. SO WE HAVE GOT CARLOS AND MICHELLE -- I NEVER -- I AM NEVER GOING TO MASTER YOUR LAST NAME. I KNOW YOU WELL, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW YOUR NAME. CARLOS. SENOR. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL, CARLOS RAMIREZ, NORTH HYDE PARK. I JUST WANTED TO COME TODAY -- I WAS ON MY WAY HERE THIS MORNING -- I MEAN, THIS AFTERNOON, PICK UP MY SON FROM WILSON, AND I STOOD IN TRAFFIC FOR 30 MINUTES LEAVING MY NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT IS FIVE BLOCKS TO LEAVE MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND TOOK ME 30 MINUTES TO GET TO KENNEDY. NORTH HYDE PARK IS AN OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD PLATTED IN 1895 IN WEST TAMPA, PART OF ONE OF THE ORIGINAL NEIGHBORHOODS IN WEST TA TAMPA. THERE IS SLUM AND BLIGHT WHICH IS WHY WE ARE IN THE CRA. THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY. ALL TO KEEP THE CHARACTER WEST TAMPA WEST TAMPA. OF NORTH HYDE PARK FOR DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE APARTMENTS, WE HAVE TOWN HOMES. WE HAVE SINGLE-FAMILY SEMI DETACHED, DIFFERENT THINGS THAT EVERYBODY WANTS. BUT ALL THAT IS AT THE EXPENSE OF LOSING OUR SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES. SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A SMALL SLIVER OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES WE ARE TRYING TO PRESERVE AND SAVE. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR MUCH. WE ARE JUST ASKING IN THAT CONTEXT SENSITIVE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE HAVE -- AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THIS, THE ORANGE IS THE BORDER. THE YELLOW IS EVERY KIND OF MULTIFAMILY, MULTIUSE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL AS WELL. WHAT IS NOT HIGHLIGHTED IS WHAT IS LEFT OF SINGLE-FAMILY. SO THAT IS FOUR WHOLE BLOCKS THAT ARE SINGLE-FAMILY, AND THE REST OF THEM. WITH THIS NEW PLAN AMENDMENT, WHAT WE HAVE IS TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS ON ARMENIA, HOWARD, KENNEDY, CYPRESS, ROME. THIS IS GOING TO EAT UP ALL OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. NOT JUST OURS. WE ARE NOT THE ONLY CONTEXT-SENSITIVE NEIGHBORHOOD IN WEST TAMPA. WE HAVE WEST RIVERFRONT AND OLD WEST TAMPA, MIDTOWN, ARMORY GARDENS. ALL THESE DIFFERENT PLACES. TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS KIND OF CROSS EACH OTHER AND START GOING INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE AGREE THIS SHOULD BE A NEIGHBORHOOD-BY-NEIGHBORHOOD ACTION AND I THINK A LOT MORE CONVERSATIONS TO IT BE HAD WITH THE FOLKS FROM PLANNING AND THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DOING THE RIGHT APPROACH. AS YOU GUYS KNOW,E RIGHT SOLUTI COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, Y. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, CARLOS. MICHELLE M. >>BILL CARLSON: GUIDO DOES A GOOD JOB OF SAYING HER NAME. CAN YOU SAY IT AGAIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SAY IT TO ME. >> MASMASTUTARO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MASTUTARO. >> ARE YOU TAKING MINUTES AWAY? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AM NOT GOING TO TAKE ANY PROMISES. SAY YOUR NAME AND THEN YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS MICHELLE MASTATARO. I COME TO YOU TODAY TO ASK PLEASE NO MORE DENSITY IN SOUTH OF GANDY. IT IS BECOMING TERRIBLE. EVACUATION, THE OVERBUILDING, THE HISTORICAL IS GETTING RUINED BY OVERDEVELOPING. THEY BLOCKED THREE -- I THOUGHT IT WAS TWO, BUT THEY ACTUALLY BLOCKED THREE CHAMBERS IN THOSE APARTMENTS NEXT DOOR TO ME. IT IS NOT FAIR. AND THEY OBTAINED IT. AND GUESS WHAT THEY DO NOW? X WHEN IT WAS AN AE ZONE. MAKE IT MAKE SENSE HOW THEY WERE ABLE TO DO THAT AND DISRUPT THE HISTORICAL AREA THAT -- THE ROAD IS HISTORICAL. IT IS GETTING DESTROYED. THE MANGROVES -- 23 ACRES OF MANGROVES WERE UPROOTED AND THAT IS SUPPOSED TO HELP THE ECOSYSTEM AND HELP. THAT IS WHAT ABSORBS MOST OF WATER. AND WE ARE JUST RUINING EVERYTHING THERE. AND I MEAN, THEY ARE BUILDING SIDEWAYS. THEY ARE BUILDING -- THEY ARE JUST MAKING MOST APARTMENTS AS THEY CAN WITHOUT EVEN THINKING OF THE FUTURE, AND IN THEY SAID THE APARTMENTS THEY ADVISED WERE A BAD IDEA TO DO, AND THEY DIDN'T LISTEN TO THEM, AND THEY DIDN'T FORESEE THE FUTURE OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN OUR AREA. AND I JUST ASK IF YOU GUYS CAN DILIGENTLY WORK TOGETHER AND NOT BEING BUILDING SOUTH OF GANDY AND KNOW THAT THE FUTURE -- I DON'T WANT TO BE A KATRINA -- IF YOU GUYS WATCHED THE DOCUMENTARY, KATRINA, HELL OVER HIGH WATERS. AN EYE-OPENER OF WHAT IS GOING ON AND MAY HAPPEN TO US. AND, YOU KNOW, TODAY IS MY SON'S BIRTHDAY. AND I SAID I AM GOING OUT WITH A BANG FOR MY SON. HOPEFULLY HE BEATS CANCER, GOD, YOU KNOW. BUT, YOU KNOW WHAT, I CAME OUT AS AN ADVOCATE IN MY AREA, MY NEIGHBORS, MY FAMILY, MY HOME, AND I REALLY, TRULY THANK EVERYONE FOR LISTENING TO ME, AND YOU GUYS, THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT IS IT YOUR SON'S NAME. >> BRYCE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HAPPY BIRTHDAY, BRYCE. >> HE IS 17. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ROBIN LOCKET. >> HELLO, TATYANA MORALES. I WANT TO START THAT I AM A TAMPA RESIDENT. I HAVE BEEN A TAMPA RESIDENT FOR 11 YEARS. I AM ONE OF THE PEOPLE PART OF THE CITY GROWING. I MOVE FROM A MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE CITY, MIAMI HERE BECAUSE AT THE TIME MORE AFFORDABLE OPTIONS TO COME HERE. I WANT TO EMPHASIZE WE STILL HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS. MANY NEIGHBORS ALL OVER THE CITY THAT ARE BEING DISPLACED CONSTANTLY BECAUSE OF DECISIONS WE MAKE OF THE LAND USE AND WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE. AND I REALLY WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THE RENTERS, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING-CLASS, THE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T HERE, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BLACK AND BROWN, PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE TIME TO COME HERE ON A THURSDAY NIGHT STILL HAVE A VOICE AND STILL SHOULD BE CARRIED IN THIS PROCESS BECAUSE I THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID A VERY EXCELLENT JOB IN DOING THEIR BEST TO EXPAND WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. DID THEY AT THAT YOU CAN TO RENTERS? OR TARGET LOW-INCOME SNMAKE /* NEIGHBORHOODS? I THINK MORE CAN BE DONE. DELAY UNTIL IT IS STRICT 5 REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE. IT IS OBVIOUS AND YOU HEARD THE CONCERNS FROM DISTRICT 5 AND THEIR DEMANDS. THEY WANT TO GROW. THEY WANT A DIFFERENT VISION FOR THE FUTURE SOUTH TAMPA OF KNOWING THAT THE CITY MAY WANT TO GROW AND GROW IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION THAT WE SHOULD DELAY AND HEAR FROM THAT REPRESENTATIVE AND ADJUST OUR PLANS ADEQUATELY. I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT WE SHOULDN'T CREATE AN ARBITRARY SOUTH TAMPA EMPHASIZE THAT ORLANDO GOT THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROTECTED BY THE STATE AND CREATE AN ASH TARRY LINE IN KENNEDY. WE HAD A REAL LINE OF SAYING NO TO THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD. A SCIENTIFIC APPROACH. KENNEDY IS A LOOSE TARGET AND LIVE ON KENNEDY AND FACING NORTH HYDE PARK, AN ASH TREELY LINE WE ARE DRAWING FOR IT TO GET REJECTED. WHEN SEA SAY NO TOWN HOMES AND NO MISSING MIDDLE NOT HERE AND ACTUALLY NOT MERE AND WE TRY TO DEFINE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, IF WE TAKE AWAY THE OPTIONS I DON'T WANT TOWN HOMES, MORE AFFORDABLE OPTIONS FOR YOUR CHILDREN, YOUR CHILDREN'S FRIEND, PEOPLE WE FALL IN LOVE WITH, PEOPLE THAT NEED TO WORK. WESTSHORE ALLIANCE. HOW ARE PEOPLE GOING TO WORK IN WEST SHORE? THEY CAN'T LIVE NEARBY? WHAT HAPPENS TO ALL THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES. I WANT TO TALK OF ELIMINATING THE ROUNDING UP. WE HAVE TO DO BETTER WITH THE ROUNDING UP. IF SOMEBODY HAS .8. SHOULD ROUND UP TO ONE UNIT OR THE NEXT UNITS. HOW WE GET THE SMALL UNITS ON THE BIG LOTS AND McMANSIONS THAT PRICE OUT THE ORIGINAL NEIGHBORS AND KID THAT WANT TO SETTLE THERE. REDUCING TOWN HOME CORRIDORS TO A ONE-BLOCK SLIVER IS NOT PLANNING, IT IS A BAN. AND WE NEED TO EMPHASIZE AS A RENTER, YOU TAKE AWAY THE OPTIONS LIKE DENSITY BONUSES, THE COMMUNITY WASN'T COMMUNICATED WITH THE FACT WE ARE HAVING LESS DENSITY BONUSES, LESS OPTIONS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY IN THE CITY BUDGET OR CRA BUDGET FOR FUNDING AND THE MARKET LEVEL WHERE DEVELOPERS WANT TO GIFFORDED FOR AND TAKE IT AWAY FROM THE HALF OF THE CITY, YOU ARE TELLING THEM THAT THE WORKING-CLASS OF THE PEOPLE DON'T MATTER. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, TATYANA. WE HAVE ROBIN LOCKETT A AND PONYER. START WITH YOUR NAME AND WE WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES. >> HELLO, COUNCIL. ROBIN LOCKETT. TATYANA SAID EVERYTHING I WANTED TO SAY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU DON'T HAVE TO REPEAT. >> BUT I WANT TO MAKE A POINT. I AGREE WITHHOLDING THE VOTE ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WITH ALL THE NOTES THAT PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS TAKEN, A LOT OF STUFF HAS TO BE RELOOKED AT, I AM ASSUMING. MOST OF ALL BECAUSE OF DISTRICT 5. DISTRICT 5 DOES NOT HAVE A VOICE IN THIS MATTER RIGHT NOW. WHEN THAT PERSON -- WHEN SHE IS CHOSEN, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE SHE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW THE INFORMATION AND MAKE SUGGESTIONS RECOMMENDATIONS RIGHT. THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT. AND ALSO, TO THE CANDIDATES THAT ARE RUNNING. PAY ATTENTION TO THIS COMP PLAN. WHOEVER WINS, YOU HAVE TO COME AND YOU HAVE TO BE READY TO MAKE SUGGESTIONS. MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS. DON'T GET READY WHEN YOU WIN. BE READY TO WIN. BUT YOU HAVE TO BE READY. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT DON'T MAKE A DECISION UNTIL THAT SEAT IS FILLED BECAUSE DISTRICT 5 DOES NEED A VOICE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, ROBIN. POYNOR FOLLOWED BY KRAMER, ANOTHER ONE-NAME PERSON. NO FIRST NAME ON THE SIGN-IN SHEET. WE WILL GET TO IT WHEN WE GET THERE. STATE YOUR NAME. YOU HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM? >> I AM WAITING -- Y'ALL NEED THE PAPERWORK. >>MARTIN SHELBY: ALL THE SAME? >> THEY ARE ALL THE SAME. 30 PAGES EACH. I GOT THEM DOWN TO A SMALLER FONT. THAT IS THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAD A COPY. >>LYNN HURTAK: AN EXTRA COPY, YOU CAN FIVE IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. >> THERE ARE TEN COPIES TOTAL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THIS BETTER BE GOOD. YOU ARE MAKING US WAIT. IT IS ANTICIPATION. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DO HAVE SEVEN NAMES. GLAZER. RAISE YOUR HAND OR SAY HELLO. HI. PAM CANELLA. O'BRIEN IS THE LAST NAME. BOBBY. THAT'S WHAT THAT SAYS. VIRGINIA SMITH. THANK YOU. WEATHERLY BENTLEY. ARE YOU -- OVER THERE. OKAY. LINDY ELLETT. NO? OKAY. AND JOANNE McNABB. YOU DIDN'T GIVE YOUR NAME PREVIOUSLY, DID YOU? OKAY. THAT IS A TOTAL OF SIX NAMES FOR NINE MINUTES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: START WITH YOUR NAME AND YOU HAVE NINE MINUTES. >> GOOD EVENING, STEP STEPHANIE POYNOR. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT ON THE VERY FIRST PARAGRAPH OF THIS PLAN, URBAN DESIGN VERSUS TAMPA'S UNIQUE CHARACTER. I AM GOING TO SHOW YOU ISSUES WITH THAT. IT IS NOT GOING TOGETHER VERY WELL AT THIS POINT. LAND USE 1.1 IS ALL ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOODS. AND HOW THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ENGULFED IN THIS PROCESS. I THINK WE HAVE SEEN TONIGHT THAT THERE ARE SOME NEIGHBORHOOD WHO HAVE BEEN LEFT OUT OF THE PROCESS. AND WE ARE GETTING BETTER. WE ARE GETTING THERE. LAND USE 2.1, THE BONUS AGREEMENTS SHOULD BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL. IT NEEDS TO SAY IN THERE "BY COUNCIL." DON'T GIVE AWAY YOUR POWER. THERE IS A REASON YOU HAVE IT. DON'T GIVE AWAY YOUR POWER. YOU GUYS MAKE EVERY DECISION IN FRONT OF AT LEAST TWO ATTORNEYS. I WANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY. YOU GO BACK BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, WE DON'T GET ANYTHING DONE OR IT GETS DONE. TRC. LET'S TALK OF BEING CONSERVATIVE. I PUT THIS UP HERE JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY. THISTRC MAP, DALE MABRY, EVERYTHING SOUTH YOU HAVE KENNEDY. WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS SOUTH OF CAN EN DO HE IS AN ARBITRARY LINE. NO SIRS, NO MA'AMS, IT IS NOT. AND ALSO, ADDRESSED BY THE WATER DEPARTMENT. BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE OUR LAND LEVELS START GOING DOWN. AND THEY KEEP GOING DOWN. CARROLL ANNE SHOWED YOU A BEAUTIFUL MAP SOUTH TAMPA IS LOWER THAN REST THE CITY. THREE DISTRICTS BY THE WATER DEPARTMENT. NORTH OF 275, KENNEDY TO S.O.G. AND THEN SOUTH. OUR WATER PRESSURE WILL BE THROUGH THE ROOF IF WE HAD THE SAME WATER PRESSURE IN NORTH TAMPA OR NEW TAMPA OR SEMINOLE HEIGHTS. KEEP IN MIND. REGIONAL ACTIVITY CENTER DO NOT BELONG IN OUR COMMUNITY. WE ARE OKAY WITH LEAVING EVERYTHING JUST LIKE IT IS. I WOULD ASSUME WE GET RID OF THIS COASTAL HIGH HAZARD INCREASES, OF COURSE. DELETE TABLE NUMBER 3 OUT OF YOUR PACKET, PLEASE. AND IT IS FUNNY, BECAUSE IN THE ORIGINAL -- THIS IS THE FEBRUARY 2025 DRAFT WE RECEIVED. AND I WENT BACK AND I KIND OF PULLED SOME OF THESE THINGS OUT BECAUSE I NOTICED I HAD WRITTEN NOTES ON THEM. BUT IT DIDN'T SAY -- THERE WAS NO ARBITRARY DATE FOR THE LAST COASTAL HIGH HAZARD. IT WASN'T THERE IN FIEBRUARY. IT WASN'T THERE BEFORE IT HEAD TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. WE IN A LOT OF DISCUSSION OF THE MISSING MIDDLE. MISSING MIDDLE IN FEBRUARY WAS IN THIS PLAN. DO A KEYWORD SEARCH. NO MENTION OF MISSING MIDDLE IN THE PLAN ANY LONGER? WHY? I DON'T KNOW. I NOTICE IT WAS GONE. I WANT TO POINT OUT SOMETHING THAT IS VERY, VERY INTERESTING. THIS IS WHY TOWN HOUSES SCARE THE HELL OUT OF OUR COMMUNITY. BECAUSE HERE IS YOUR MISSING MIDDLE. THIS LITTLE HOUSE RIGHT HERE? THAT IS MISSING MIDDLE. IT IS NOT A HALF A MILLION PLACE. IT IS NOT A THREE QUARTERS OF MILLION PLACE. THAT IS YOUR MISSING MIDDLE THERE AND THE HOUSE TWO DOORS OVER IS ALSO YOUR MISSING MIDDLE .THIS IS NOT MISSING MIDDLE. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NOBODY CAN AFFORD. THIS IS ON THE TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR RIGHT NOW. THIS IS -- NORTH B. AND ARMENIA. AGAIN -- THIS IS A DUPLEX. LOOK AT THIS MONSTROSITY, NEXT TO THIS SINGLE-FAMILY. THIS IS MISSING MIDDLE. THIS IS NOT. NOW WE HEARD FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT THEY WANTED DALE MABRY TO BE A TRANSIT READY CORRIDOR SO THAT PEOPLE COULD TRAVEL TO MacDILL. I WANT TO SHOW YOU, THESE RED AREAS ARE WHERE THE PEOPLE AT MacDILL LIVE. THE RED AREAS ARE WHERE THEY LIVE. THEY LIVE IN SOUTH TAMPA. AND THEY LIVE IN THE SOUTH COUNTY. THEY LIVE IN SOUTH TAMPA AND THE SOUTH COUNTY. DO THEY DRIVE DOWN DALE MABRY? NOT REALLY. PEOPLE DO NOT WANT -- THEY JUST DON'T. THEY JUST DON'T LIVE IN THOSE AREAS AS A RULE. SO WHEN THEY SAY, OH, WE NEED DALE MABRY TO BE OPEN, TO PUT MORE TRANSIT. THAT IS NOT WHERE THEY ARE GOING. THEY ARE NOT GOING THERE F MacDILL. LET'S SEE. I WILL TRY TO GO THROUGH THIS IN ORDER. OH, LOOK AT 4.2.9 ON YOUR SHEET. SAYS THAT DALE MABRY -- THIS IS THE MAIN COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN MY OPINION AS TO WHY DALE MABRY SHOULD NOT BE IN TRANSIT COO ARE DOOR, 4.2 .9 TABBED ON THE BOTTOM. ALL THE ROUTES BAYSHORE, DALE MABRY HIGHWAY, MANHATTAN SHOULD BE KEPT CLEAR FOR MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE. ALL THE OTHERS ARE IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AND HAVE YET TO BE ELIMINATED. DALE MABRY ON THERE AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION -- WHY DON'T WE WANT IT? BECAUSE YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN -- THAT -- THAT TRANSIT READY CORRIDOR VIOLATES THE COMP PLAN. IT VIOLATES THE CURRENT COVERED PLAN AND WILL VIOLATE THE NEW ONE, BECAUSE THAT CLAUSE IS STILL IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO HOW CAN YOU DO THAT WHEN YOU -- HOW CAN YOU MAKE A MAP THAT GOES AGAINST SOMETHING IN THE COMP PLAN. WHATEVER WE DO IN THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS TO BE -- IT HAS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN. YOU CAN'T JUST RANDOMLY MAKE UP MAPS THAT AREN'T CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN. SO MASSING -- IT IS A REAL BIG DEAL. RATTLESNAKE EXEMPT FROM 7.1.2. THEY PUT THAT IN THERE, REMOVE 3.6.2. I TOO I HAD TO PUT LITTLE FLAGS ON EACH ONE. IT IS -- SO DALE MABRY IS PART OF THE EVACUATION ROUTE FROM MacDILL, OKAY. YOU CAN'T GET ON THE SELMON TO LEAVE BECAUSE EVERYBODY FROM PINELLAS COUNTY IS ON T THE SELMON. YOU HAVE TO GO UP DALE MABRY TO 275. YOU CAN'T GO THE OTHER WAY. LET'S SEE. OH. 1.4. OTHERWISE KNOWN AT MY HOUSE AS THE CLAUSE. 7.1.4 IS POOP. HIKE A TURD IN A PUNCH BOWL. READ THE REST OF THE PAGE. ONE DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE OTHERS. ONE LOOKS ODD. THAT SAME MEMO THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION BOARD SENT TO YOU LAST FALL AND SAID, OH, LET'S DO THIS, BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT IDEA. BUT YOU GUYS DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT. HMM ... AND YET THEY TOLD THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I GUARANTEE YOU, TO PUT IT BACK IN THERE. BUT IT WASN'T IN THERE UNTIL THEIR MAY MEETING. THOSE PEOPLE ARE MAKING DECISIONS BASED ON THEIR DESIRES AND HOW THEY CAN PROFIT FROM IT, NOT FROM WHAT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE NEED. LET'S SEE. DISTRICT 5. I WANT TO TALK OF DISTRICT 5 FOR A SECOND BECAUSE I THINK THESE FOLKS ARE RIGHT. I DO HAVE FAITH IN EVERYBODY WHO IS SITTING ON THAT COUNCIL RIGHT NOW THAT YOU WILL MAKE A GOOD DECISION ABOUT EVERYTHING, AND YOU WILL TAKE INTO ACCOUNT DISTRICT 5. I DON'T BELIEVE FOR A SECOND THAT ANY OF YOU WOULD IGNORE DISTRICT 5 IN ANY DECISIONS YOU EVER MAKE. BUT I AM GOING TO TELL YOU THIS. I HAVE BEEN TO THREE OR FOUR DISTRICT FIVE DISCUSSIONS, AND IN EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE, PEOPLE ARE ASKING ABOUT HOUSING. THEY WANT HOUSING. THEY NEED HOUSING. YET WE HAD SOME PEOPLE GET UP HERE TONIGHT AND TALK ABOUT ALL THE HOUSING NEEDS TO BE IN SOUTH TAMPA. DUH. LET'S PUT IT WHERE THEY WANT IT. TAMPA HEIGHTS WILL TELL YOU. WE WANT MORE HOUSING. WE WANT MISSING MIDDLE. WE WANT TO THESE THINGS. WE HAVE NO MENTION OF MISSING MIDDLE IN HERE. AND WE GET -- AND SOMEBODY WANTS TO SELL US THAT THIS IS MISSING MIDDLE AND WE ALL KNOW IT IS NOT. THIS IS UNAFFORDABLE HOUSING. THIS ISN'T EVEN CLOSE. NOBODY WHO IS SITTING UP THERE RELYING ON THEIR SALARIES EVEN WITH A SPOUSE FOR CITY COUNCIL COULD AFFORD THIS. YOU MIGHT GET THIS ONE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO. >> RIGHT. BUT THE WHOLE POINT -- MY WHOLE POINT, NO MISSING MIDDLE IN THIS. WHERE IS IT AT. AND -- AND WE ONLY HAVE ONE DISTRICT CANDIDATE FOR DISTRICT 5 HERE THIS EVENING. I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT. SO -- ASK YOUR PEOPLE WHY THEY ARE NOT HERE, BECAUSE THIS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT DECISIONS YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE. ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY, KRAMER. IS THERE A KRAMER? >> I GAVE UP MY MINUTES PREVIOUSLY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANOTHER KRAMER THAT DID NOT? >> I DON'T THINK SO. THAT'S ME. >>LYNN HURTAK: JAKE DIDN'T WANT TO SPEAK? >> I JUST CAME IN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT IS NOT THE WAY IT WORKS, BUT GOOD TRY. YOU KNOW WHAT, THEY SPELL THEIR NAME DIFFERENTLY. ENKUWICH. I KNOW I BUTCHERED THAT. OTHER WINNER RICK GARDENIA. >> OKAY. AM I SPEAKING IN THE IN MIKE HERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BURIED. START WITH YOUR NAME. >> ALLEY INKDOVIC. I LIVED IN SOUTH TAMPA. I WENT TO GORY, WILSON AND PLANT. BEEN TO THE SCHOOLS. SEEN THEM. DROVE TO THE SCHOOLS. TOOK THE ABOUT US TO THE SCHOOLS. WALKED TO THE SCHOOL SOMETIMES. I EVACUATED FROM EVERY HURRICANE WHEN EVACUATION ZONE A WITH MANDATORY EVACUATION. MY MOM'S HOUSE, 1979 HOUSE SHE LIVED WITH AND I ALSO LIVE IN IT FLOODED WITH HELENE. WE EXPERIENCED THAT. BECAUSE OF THAT, I AM ALSO THINKING OF BECOMING A FIRST-TIME HOME BUYER AND THAT IS A MODERATE INCOME -- MODERATE INCOME PERSON AND MY MOM AS WELL WHO INVESTED 20 YEARS AT PLANT HIGH SCHOOL AS A TEACHER AND IS IN RETIREMENT NOW. MAY ALSO BE INTERESTED IN DOWNSIZING AND AGING IN PLACE IN THE SOUTH TAMPA COMMUNITY. AND FOR THAT TONIGHT, I WANT TO ADVOCATE FOR A VARIETY OF RESILIENT LOCAL HOME OPTIONS AT A RANGE OF PRICE POINTS AND THAT SOLUTION WOULD HELP LOCAL SOUTH TAMPA RESIDENTS LIKE OUR FAMILY AND OTHER FAMILIES THAT I GREW UP WITH RIGHT NOW OR IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE. AND I WANT TO MAKE THAT POINT, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HEARD A LOT OF THAT PERSPECTIVE FROM THE SOUTH TAMPA COMMUNITY TONIGHT. TOWN HOMES WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO CREATE VARIETY, TO CREATE SOME ADDITIONAL HOMEOWNERSHIP OPTIONS. WE ARE NOT TALKING OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A RANGE OF PRICE POINTS. THERE ARE STILL CONDOS AND TOWN HOMES THAT YOU CAN FIND UNDER $500,000, BUT THAT IS BECAUSE THEY WERE ALLOWED PREVIOUSLY. AND THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD BE CONTINUING BY HAVING MORE ROBUST -- THE MOST ROBUST TOWN HOME ALANCES ALLOWANCES WE HAVE SEEN DURING THIS UPDATE. I AM ALSO IN FAVOR OF THE MOST ROBUST TRANSIT READY CORRIDOR WITH DENSITY BONUSES INCLUDING CONSIDERATION SOUTH YOU HAVE KENNEDY AND INCLUDING THE DENSITY ROUND-UP FOR THE SAME REASONS TO CREATE A RANGE OF OPTIONS. TO CREATE VARIETY, TO CREATE CHOICE, AND THAT WILL INCLUDE HOPEFULLY AFFORDABILITY SINCE THAT ONE OF THE QUALIFIERS FOR THE DENSITY BONUS. I HAVE GONE TO THE MEETINGS WHERE I HEARD CONCERNS OF STORMWATER, PARKING, BUILDING COMPATIBILITY, BUILDING TO WITHSTAND HURRICANES. WHY WE HAVE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REGISTRATIONS AND IF MULTIMODAL IMPROVEMENT. TRANSIT IMPROVEMENT MAKE. PARKING MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES. LET'S USE ALL OF THOSE THINGS. WE TALK RV TALK OF DESTRUCTION OF NEIGHBORHOODS. I SEE PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF THAT CAN NOT LIVE IN THE SOUTH TAMPA COMMUNITY THAT I GREW UP IN. DESTRUCTION OF NEIGHBORHOOD. JUST AS MUCH AS ITS DESTRUCTION OF A NEIGHBORHOOD AS ZONING CHANGES WE PROPOSED TONIGHT. THINK OF THAT WHEN WE THINK OF NEIGHBORHOOD CHANGE AND DESTRUCTION OF NEIGHBORHOODS. I AM IN FAVOR OF DELAYING THIS VOTE TO GET FULL REPRESENTATION WITH DISTRICT 5. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HER GARDIN AND FRANK -- IS IT CARENE OR CREWE? >>MARTIN SHELBY: ONE NAME, CLAUDIA AROLES. OKAY, FOUR MINUTES, PLEASE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: START WITH YOUR NAME -- ERIC. I KNOW THAT. I KNOW ERIC. ERIC, START WITH YOUR NAME AND YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES. >> THANK YOU, ERIC GARDEA WITH THE BAY AREA APARTMENT ASSOCIATION. MANAGERS THROUGHOUT THE REGION INCLUDING THE CITY OF TAMPA. OUR MEMBERS ARE THE ONE PROVIDING HOUSING TO PEOPLE FROM HIGH INCOME TO LOWEST INCOMES. OUR MEMBERS DO MARKET RATE AND AFFORDABLE. AND THEY HAVE A VERY STRONG INTEREST IN MAKING SURE THERE IS ENOUGH HOUSING. THAT IS WHAT OUR CONVERSATION HERE TODAY IS ALL ABOUT, MAKING SURE THERE IS ENOUGH HOUSING FOR THE PEOPLE WHO NEED IT NOT JUST TODAY BUT FOR TOMORROW AS WELL. WE DID -- WE DO, YOU KNOW HAVE A POSITION. WITHER GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE COMP PLAN AND FUTURE LAND USE PROVISIONS -- FUTURE LAND USE SECTION OF THE COMP PLAN. GREAT PIECES TO IT AND DISCUSSES AROUND AND ELEMENTS THAT DEAL WITH F.A.R. THAT DEAL WITH ACTIVITY CENTERS, ADAPTIVE REUSE, AND BONUSES. AND ALL OF THOSE ARE THINGS WE STRONGLY SUPPORT. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE. YOU KNOW MAYBE ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS AROUND DEALING WITH BOTH THE TIME BETWEEN THE TRANSIT AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AS WELL AS THE -- MAYBE MAKING MORE OF A -- OF A -- OF A CONCERTED EFFORT TO -- TO INCENTIVIZE INFILL DEVELOPMENT. WITH THAT SAID, I HAVE SOME -- I HAVE A CHART HERE WITH SOME DATA I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH EVERYBODY. BECAUSE IT GOES BACK AGAIN TO THE WHOLE POINT AROUND WHY WE ARE DOING THIS. AND WE ARE DOING THIS FOR MORE HOUSING. WHAT DOES MORE HOUSING DO? LET'S TALK OF SOME OF THESE NUMBERS HERE, RIGHT. THE CHART HERE -- A LOT OF THE DATA FROM CO-STAR. YOU CAN AUTO US THE DATA IN DIFFERENT WAYS. THIS IS FOR UNITS -- PARCELS THAT HAVE 25 UNITS OR MORE. MULTIFAMILY, MEDIUM TO VERY LARGE DENSITY. ALSO INCORPORATES MOST OF THE HOUSING THAT WOULD BE IN THE CITY LIMITS. NOW COSTAR HAS BY ZIP CODE OPPOSED TO ACTUAL LIMITS. SO SOME PLACES THAT WE ARE MISSING A FEW AND SOME PLACES WE ARE PROBABLY ADDING A FEW, BUT GENERALLY THIS IS THE GENERAL DIRECTION. AND THIS GIVES YOU A GOOD PICTURE WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE CITY OF TAMPA. ONE AND TWO DEALS WITH INFLATION, RENT. FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS, RENTS HAVE BEEN FLAT WITHOUT GOING UP $61. TO BE CLEAR $61 NOT EACH YEAR BUT $61 OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS. AT THE SAME TIME, INFLATION FOR OUR REGION HAVE OUTPACED RENT INCREASES. ON TOP OF THAT, A REPORT BY TREP RECENTLY CAME OUT AND INDICATED FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, THE AVERAGE INCREASE FOR OPERATING COST FOR MULTIFAMILY IN OUR REGION IS OVER 6%. THIRD HIGHEST IN THE COUNTRY. ALL OF THIS IS TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT WE SAW DURING THE PANDEMIC IS FAR BEHIND US AND WE ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT REALITY NOW. ANOTHER THING THAT WE HAVE IN HERE IS DATA ON WHAT'S KEEPING RENTS AT CHECK. THE KEY FACTOR IS THE SUPPLY AND DEMAND BALANCE. WE HAVE SUPPLY HAS STAYED AHEAD OF DEMAND EVEN THOUGH DEMAND IS STILL STRONG. WHEN YOU LOOK AT COLUMN -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BECAUSE FOR ONE SECOND. CCTV, WE LOST THE PRESENTATION FOR THE BROADCAST. THANK YOU. OKAY, GO AHEAD. >> COLUMN 5, YOU SEE HERE THAT ACTUALLY THE -- SORRY -- THE STARTS FOR NEW MULTIFAMILY IS BELOW THE DEMAND FOR NEW MULTIFAMILY IN THE LAST QUARTER. DATA HERE THAT INDICATES WHAT IS THE WHOLE BENEFIT OF HAVING SUPPORT AND NEED MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. BUT THE MARKET RATE HOUSING HAS PUSHED DOWN AND KEPT IN CHECK SO THE LEVEL HERE HAS ACTUALLY SHRUNK. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOLD ON, ERIC. ERIC, CAN I ASK YOU ONE QUESTION REAL FAST. >> YES, SIR. >>BILL CARLSON: I WILL HAVE A DISCUSSION LATER ABOUT BONUS -- BONUS DENSITY. >> YES. >>BILL CARLSON: IF THAT SUPPLY AND DEMAND, IF BY RIGHT, PEOPLE CAN BUILD EIGHT STORIES BUT WITH BONUS DENSITY, YOU CAN HAVE MORE SUPPLY. AND THEN THE PRICE WOULD COME DOWN OR WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE BONUS DENSITY? >> ONE OF THE MAIN FACTORS THAT I THINK IMPEDES THE SPEEDINESS OF BUILDING NEW HOUSING IS THE -- IS THE PROCESS, RIGHT. THE PROCESS CAN TAKE A LONG TIME AND IT IS UNCERTAIN. UNCERTAINTY OF WHAT THE OUTCOMES WOULD BE OF THE PROCESS, THEN YOU HAVE GOT A BETTER OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE INVESTMENTS IN PLACE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FRANK, CREW, CRIA. FRANK SOMETHING. STARTS WITH A C. I THINK IT IS FRANK. NO? GOING ONCE. THAT MAY BE GRECO. POSSIBLY. I SAW HIM LEAVE. OKAY, THAT PAGE IS DONE. DANA LAZARUS. FOLLOWED BY ANDY SCAGLIONE. HI, DANA. >> HEY. AICP CERTIFIED. FIFTH GENERATION OF TAMPA, AND I OWN A HOME. WE ALL KNOW OUR CITY IS COMICALLY BIASED OVER SINGLE-FAMILY HOME, OVERLY ZONED SINGLE-FAMILY. ESTABLISHED IN A DISTANT PAST, MORE CONGESTION, ROAD CONGESTION AND A WAY TO WORK AROUND. PERSONALLY WANT DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES AND QUADRIPLEXES, AND I WANT IT CITY WIDE. I WANT MIXED USED WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOODS VILLAGES EVERYWHERE. AND ALL OVER THE CITY. WE HAVE TO HAVE VISION. SIX SMALL TRULY WALKABLE MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOODS MUST BE PUT BACK IN. POINT 8 OR .9 OF UNITS TO BUILD BEGGAR AND WE END UP WITH THE MONSTROSITIES THAT STEPHANIE MENTIONED. ROUNDING-UP POLICY HELPS TO FIX THAT. I WANT US TO UNLOCK TRANSIT-ORIENT MIXED AUTO US DEVELOPMENT. TO SET US UP FOR GROWTH VALUE CAPTURE THAT COULD FUND PUBLIC TRANSIT IN THE FUTURE. 1/16 IS NOT A BEST PRACTICE. 1/4 OR A HALF MILE A WALK SHED. WHAT IS 1/16th OF A MILE. WHAT IS THAT TO BUILD ISSUES WITH THE TRC. SHOULDN'T HAVE ONE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A DENSITY BONUS AND THE OTHER NEIGHBOR DOESN'T. JUST BECAUSE THEY LIVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE INTERSECTION. A CORRIDOR IS AN UNIFORMED STRETCH. THIS IS WHERE WE START GETTING SLOPPY SPOT AMENDMENTS GETTING DENSITY AWAY. MY SHIRT SAYS LEGALIZE HOUSING. A FACT AND HE CAN PROVIDE THAT DAY THAT THAT INCREASING SUPPLIES MAKE HOUSING COSTS GO DOWN CITYI WOULD. I HAVE WORN THIS SHIRT FOR YEARS. HEARING THE DECISION OF INCREASED DENSITY FOR SO MANY YEARS. OUR YOUNGER GENERATION DOESN'T WANT THINGS TO, QUOTE, STAY THE SAME. WE WANT TO BRING TAMPA OUT OF THE 1980s A FIERCE ADVOCATE FOR PUBLIC TRANSIT AND I HOPE THAT EVERYBODY THAT WAS MOVED ENOUGH AGAINST THE TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TRANSIT YET PUT THE SAME ENERGY INTO THE TRANSIT PROPOSALS COMING UP. MY FINAL ASK TO PUT OFF VOTING UNTIL WE PUT THINGS BACK IN, HEAR FROM MORE RENTERS AND YOUTH AND PEOPLE WITH LOWER INCOME AND STRONGER VISION AND ELECT A DISTRICT 5 REPRESENTATIVE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, ANDY SCAGLIONE FOLLOWED BY THE LAST SPEAKER, THE OTHER CREMER. >> GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR BEING PUBLIC SERVANTS AND BEING HERE. ANDY JOE SCAGLIONE. A REAL SIMPLE ONE ACTUALLY. THIS IS REGARDING 1402 EAST 2nd AVENUE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF GAS WORX. PLANNING COMMISSION MADE AN HONEST MISTAKE NOT INCLUDING THIS PROPERTY -- ALMOST A BLOCK OF PROPERTY IN GASWORX AND NOT PUTTING IT IN THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT AREA. THEY FOLLOWED THE CRA LINE AND IT IS RIGHT OUTSIDE AND ACTUALLY TOUCHES RIGHT OUTSIDE OF THE CRA LINE. BUT INFRASTRUCTURE CURRENTLY BEING SPENT AND THE GASWORX. SO I HAVE HAD EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR MISS MELISSA HAS SAID THAT SHE SUPPORTS WHAT I AM ASKING FOR THAT THIS IS BEING -- THAT THIS PROPERTY IS -- BECOMES PART OF THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT AREA DESIGNATION. BECAUSE IT IS PART OF GASWORX AND $40 MILLION WORTH OF INFRASTRUCTURE BEING DONE. I MEAN, YOU CAN'T EVEN GET TO MY PROPERTY. THE ROADS ARE ALL CLOSED DOWN THERE. I GUESS -- SHE COULDN'T MAKE THE CHANGE WITHOUT Y'ALL'S DIRECTION GIVEN HER THE DIRECTION TO INCLUDE IT. SO THAT IS WHY I'M HERE TONIGHT. I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF THAT DIRECTION WOULD BE MADE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DID YOU DRIVE FROM ORLANDO? >> I DID. BUT THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU. >> I GO THE TO GO BACK. SO, THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. CREMER SPELLED WITH AN E. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. >> JAKE CREMER. GOOD TO BE HERE. I LISTENED TO THE MEETING TONIGHT. HERE IS THE GOOD NEWS. THE REALLY GOOD NEWS THAT MOST OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HEARD TONIGHT CAN GO INTO FIVE OR SIX RELATIVELY CONCRETE BUCKETS. WE HAVE GOT A DOCUMENT WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THE BACK-UP, WE ARE TALKING HUNDREDS OF PAGES. I THINK THAT IS A PRETTY BIG WIN. I THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY STAFF SHOULD BE COMMENDED FOR GETTING US TO WHERE WE ARE, RIGHT. THIS HAS BEEN A THREE TO FOUR-YEAR PROCESS. ONE OF THE BEST NEW CONCEPTS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT IS THESE REGIONAL ACTIVITY CENTERS, RIGHT. BECAUSE I THINK IF WE ALLOW IN THE RIGHT PLACES MORE GROWTH IN THE CITY, THAT IS GOING TO HELP TAKE PRESSURE OFF OF SOME OF THE AREAS THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE RESISTANT. SO I THINK THAT IS A CONCEPT THAT WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE SURE WE MAINTAIN ALONG WITH THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT AREAS. WITH THOSE AREAS, REMEMBER, YOU ARE LOOKING AT INFRASTRUCTURE. THAT IS WHAT WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT, INFRASTRUCTURE LINKED TO GROWTH AND PLANNING. SO WE ARE FINALLY GETTING SOME OF THAT IN THE COMP PLAN. I THINK REALLY FOR THE FIRST TIME. SO WE GOT A LOT OF GOOD CONCEPT. I WANT TO ECHO MICHAEL MARINO'S COMMENTS RIGHT ON POINT WITH WEST SHORE, ROCKY POINT. HOW ALL THESE AREAS WORK TOGETHER. PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE WANT TO SEE THEM GROW. LET'S ALLOW THEM TO CONTROL THEIR OWN DESTINY. MY CONCERN -- AND I CAN COUNT THE VOTES AND I THINK THERE IS PROBABLY -- WE ARE HEADED TOWARD SOME DELAY, BUT THE CAUTION, I GUESS, THAT I WOULD RAISE IS WE WORKED ON THIS FOR FOUR YEARS. AND IF WE DELAY TOO MUCH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THE LETTERS THAT THE STATE HAS STARTED SENDING TO PLACES LIKE ORANGE COUNTY AND MANATEE COUNTY. THOSE ARE ON DIFFERENT ISSUE, BUT WHAT WE ARE SEEING IS A MUCH MORE MUSCULAR STATE WHEN IT COMES TO GROWTH MANAGEMENT. AND SO THE LONGER THIS GETS LONGER, THE RISK OF STATES STEPPING IN AND TELLING US HOW TO DO IT. SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST, LET'S FIND WAYS TO DELAY THIS AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE. WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK, RIGHT. THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT ONLY HAPPENS ONCE A DECADE. WE CAN COME BACK NEXT YEAR AND LOOK AT DISCREET ISSUES. LET'S MOVE FORWARD AS MUCH AS WE CAN AND QUICKLY AS WE CAN, BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF REALLY GOOD STUFF IN THIS PLAN. SO WITH THAT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION AND APPRECIATE BEING HERE TONIGHT. FAST. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU FOR CLOSING UP PUBLIC COMMENT TONIGHT. HOLD ON ONE SECOND, JAKE. >>BILL CARLSON: NOT A QUESTION. CAN I ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSION KIND OF A PROCESS QUESTION? I KNOW WE WILL TAKE A BREAK, BUT AS THEY ARE THINKING ABOUT IT, I WOULD LIKE TO THROW OUT A COMMENT QUESTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ABSOLUTELY. COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: TO JAKE'S POINT, WHAT WAS IT, A FEBRUARY VERSION TO A MAY VERSION, THERE WAS CONTENT -- JAKE, CAN YOU MARY ME? CONTENT PUT IN FROM THE FEBRUARY VERSION TO THE MAY VERSION THAT WE DIDN'T ASK FOR. AND IF THAT CONTENT HAD NOT BEEN PUT IN AND THE COMMUNITY DIDN'T ASK FOR IT. IF THAT CONTENT DID NOT PUT THIS, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DELAY IT IN MAY AND WOULDN'T HAVE TO DELAY IT AGAIN. I AM HOPING THAT NO EXTRA CONTENT WILL BE PUT IN. MY QUESTION IS, MISS ZORNITA, AN EXAMPLE. WE HEARD A LOT OF COMPLAINTS OF 7.1.4. AND 3.6.2. AND I WONDER, THE COMMUNITY, WE DIDN'T ASK FOR THOSE. AND THEY ARE ADDED IN BETWEEN FEBRUARY AND MAY. WHO -- WHOSE IDEA WAS THAT? WAS THAT THE STAFF'S IDEA, THE CONSULTANT'S IDEA, THE CITY'S IDEA? WHOSE IDEAS WERE THESE AND WHY WERE THEY PUT IN. I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS SO THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN. FOR JAKE'S POINT CAN A CONSULTANT OR SOMEBODY ADD SOMETHING THAT WASN'T FOR THE COMMUNITY. >> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. SO 7.1.4 WAS MEMORIALIZING A REQUEST BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT YOU ALL AS. >> SO THE ANSWER IS, IT CAME FROM YOUR BOARD? >> YES. >>BILL CARLSON: DIDN'T COME FROM STAFF, IT CAME FROM YOUR BOARD. >> YES. RATTLESNAKE POINTS, I THINK THAT WAS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I BELI BELIEVE. LET ME DOUBLE CHECK WITH JENNIFER, BUT THAT ONE IS ON OUR LIST TO GO BACK AND REVISIT BASED ON ALL THE COMMENTS, BUT I THINK THAT ACTUALLY WAS -- >>JENNIFER MALONE: JENNIFER MALONE FOR THE RECORD, 3.6.2 IS NEW LANGUAGE, BUT THERE IS THOUGHT -- THERE WAS -- I WOULD BE HAPPY TO EXPLAIN MORE WHY THIS WAS DRAFTED THIS WAY. >>BILL CARLSON: CAN YOU JUST TELL ME THE ANSWER, DID IT COME FROM STAFF, FROM YOUR BOARD. >>JENNIFER MALONE: 3.6.2 CAME FROM STAFF, PLANNING COMMISSION STA STAFF. >>BILL CARLSON: JUST SO WE UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS. AS YOU ALL GO, THINK ABOUT THIS. IF IT WAS UP TO ME, I WOULD ACCEPT ALL THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMUNITY. AND WHATEVER WE GET BACK TO YOU ALL TONIGHT, WE NEED TO BE CLEAR SO THAT YOU ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT TO DO. AND THEN -- AND THEN WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO STOP ALL THESE OTHER VOICES FROM THE CONSULTANTS FROM ADDING THINGS IN THAT WILL CAUSE US FROM GOING FOR ANOTHER ROUND. >>JENNIFER MALONE: 3.6.2 HAS BEEN IN THE DRAFT FOR MONTHS, I THINK FROM THE VERY FIRST DRAFT. I WILL HAVE TO GO AND CHECK THAT, BUT STAFF HAD THIS POLICY IN HERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET ME ASK COUNSEL -- I KNOW, BUT LET ME SEE. BECAUSE HE HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION. THEN WE TAKE A BREAK. IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER. >>LUIS VIERA: VIERA OH, YEAH. I WANT TO SPEAK. HURTAK HIGH TEMPERATURE I THINK WE SHOULD LET HER SPEAK AND LISTEN TO US FOR A LITTLE BIT AND THEN THEY CAN GO AND PUT A LITTLE TEN MINUTES FOR A DRAFT. >>MELISSA ZORNITTA: SURE, I HAVE A LIST OF THINGS TO CLARIFY AND RESPOND TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS. YES, WE ARE KEEPING A LIST OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO REVISIT AND HAVE YOUR DIRECTION ON IN TERMS OF A MOTION ON AS WELL. SO JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP THROUGH -- WELL, MAYBE A COUPLE OF. THROUGH THE PUBLIC COMMENT. WE DID FOCUS OUR OUTREACH EFFORT ON THE MOTION YOU ALL MADE IN MAY, TO LOOK AT THOSE TWO AREAS. IN THE PROCESS OF GOING OUT IN ALL THOSE MEETINGS AND HAVING THE SURVEY ONLINE, WE GOT A LOT OF COMMENTS. I MEAN I THINK IT WAS OVER 1500 COMMENTS. WE DID HAVE A LIMITED TIME TO DIGEST EVERYTHING BETWEEN WHEN THE PUBLIC OUTREACH CLOSED IN THE FIRST OR SECOND WEEK OF AUGUST AND WHEN WE HAD TO GET A DRAFT TO YOU ALL. SO WE FOCUSED THE REVISIONS, AGAIN, ON THOSE TWO AREAS. BUT CERTAINLY IF THIS ITEM IS CONTINUED, WE WOULD CONTINUE TO SYNTHESIZE THAT INPUT ALONG WITH WHAT WE HEARD TONIGHT AND THE DIRECTION YOU ALL GIVE US TO PUT TOGETHER A REVISED DRAFT. BUT THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS WHY WE HAVEN'T MADE ANY CHOICES. THE -- YES, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP THAT IS DEVELOPING BETWEEN THAT SIX UNITS PER ACRE AND THE TEN THAT IS THE MAXIMUM. WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT GROWTH, BUT I HEAR A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS CHANGE, AND THEY DON'T WANT THE GROWTH TO GO THERE. SO WHEN I SAY, YES, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT POPULATION, IT CAN, BUT THAT IS GOING TO MEAN FOR A LOT OF CHANGES IN PLACES WHERE MAYBE PEOPLE DON'T WANT THE CHANGE FOR CORRIDORS OR -- THE -- WE ADDRESSED 7.1.4 COMING FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT AREAS, CONTRADICTING THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA. THOSE ARE SPECIFIC AREAS THAT LIKE DOWNTOWN, WEST SHORE, THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREAS WHERE THERE ARE SPECIFIC PLANS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND A VISION FOR HIGHER DENSITY THAT WE ARE CALLING TO CARVE OUT OF THOSE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA POLICIES. THE LANGUAGE ABOUT SOUTH TAMPA AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS BEEN REFERENCED BY A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS. THAT LANGUAGE IS NOT ADOPTEDED TO. IT IS DESCRIPTIVE LANGUAGE IN THE PLAN. IT IS NOT EMBODIED IN A GOAL OF OBJECTIVE OR POLICY. AND IF IT IS NOT IN A GOAL, OBJECTIVE OR POLICY, IT MAKES IT VERY HARD FOR STAFF OR THE LEGAL TEAM TO UTILIZE THAT AS A REASON FOR FINDING SOMETHING INCONSISTENT. THAT IS WHY IT WAS NO NOT MOVED FORWARD INTO THE DRAFT PLAN, BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO BE MORE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT -- WHAT WAS ADOPTED AND KEEPING THINGS IN THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES THE TRANSIT READY -- THE TRANSIT READY PART OF THE TRANSIT READY CORRIDORS -- WE WORKED CLOSELY WITH HART TO IDENTIFY THOSE CORRIDORS. THEY HAVE MUCH SERVICE OR WITH -- OR WILL HAVE PLANNED DENSITY ON THOSE CORRIDORS WOULD HELP TO HAVE RIDERSHIP, TO HAVE THAT SUPPORT OF TRANSIT. A NUMBER OF COMMENTS ABOUT TABLE 3 REVISIT, BUT -- THE -- THE IDEA THAT WE HAD IN TABLE THREE WAS TO DO A COUPLE OF THINGS. O ONE, NOT ALLOW FOR THE CURRENT BONUS DENSITY, THE STEP-UP IN 35 UNIT PER ACRE CATEGORY. YOU START AT 30 BY RIGHT. YOU CAN STEP UP TO 35. NOT ALLOW THAT STEP UP IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA. OUR MOST VULNERABLE AREA. IN -- BUT IN THE REST OF THE CITY, OUTSIDE OF THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA, REMOVE THAT STEP UP TO SIMPLIFY AND STREAMLINE AND MAKE THE BONUSES MORE MEANINGFUL THROUGH THE BONUS STRUCTURE THAT WAS ADDING THESE TRANSIT READY BONUSES, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BONUS, THE GREEN BUILDING BONUS. THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT ALIGNED MORE WITH THE VISION OF THE CITY. THE CATEGORY TODAY, TOWN HOMES AND ATTACHED SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS ARE ALLOWED. THE LANGUAGE IN THE PLAN THAT THEY ARE TO BE LIMITED. LIMITED IS A BROAD TERM THAT IS NOT VERY SPECIFIC AND CLEAR. ATTEMPT IN THE VARYING DRAFTS HAVE BEEN TO TRY TO GIVE MORE DEFINITION TO WHAT THAT TERM IS. BUT THAT -- BUT THEY ARE ALLOWED TODAY. IT IS NOT SOMETHING NEW THAT WE ARE INTRODUCING. WE DID REMOVE THE MULTIFAMILY REFERENCE THAT WAS MENTIONED BY MISS ZAMERMAN IN THE LATEST DRAFT. THE -- SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE SHOWN WERE OUT-OF-DATE, AND IF I NEED TO REITERATE ANY OF THE NEW MAPS AT ANY POINT, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. HEIGHT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS TYPICALLY REGULATED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THAT IS REGULATED BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THERE ARE REFERENCES IN THE PLAN TODAY TO PROVIDE GUIDANCE ABOUT THE TYPICAL TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD OCCUR IN THOSE LAND USE CATEGORIES, BUT I THINK WE HAVE SOME AGREEMENT WITH CITY STAFF THAT HEIGHT IS MORE APPROPRIATE TO BE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. WHERE IF A VARIANCE OR SOMETHING TO THE HEIGHT NEEDS TO OCCUR, THERE IS A PROCESS TO THAT. YOU CAN'T VARY A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IF SOMEONE NEEDS ONE MORE FOOT OF HEIGHT OR ONE MORE STORY, THERE IS NOT A PROS PROCESS TO DO THAT. THERE IS A PROCESS IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS ALSO WE BELIEVE THE MORE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO CLOSE SOME OF THE PD LOOPHOLES THAT WERE DISCUSSED. I DON'T THINK YOU WILL SEE ANY DISAGREEMENT FROM PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF DOING SO, BUT THE BETTER PLACE OF DOING THAT THAN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SIMILARLY THE PROCESS FOR BONUS AGREEMENTS IS CURRENTLY OUTLINED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AS WELL. SO THAT WE BELIEVE IS THE BEST PLACE TO ADDRESS THAT THOSE NEED TO COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL. SORRY, I AM JUMPING AROUND A LITTLE BIT BACK AND FORTH TO THINGS. GOING BACK TO TABLE THREE. IT WAS MENTIONED THAT WE SHOULDN'T INCLUDE THE DATE OF THE CHHA. THAT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THERE IS A REQUIREMENT IN STATE STATUTE THAT WE CANNOT HAVE A SELF-AMENDING PLAN. THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA LINE GETS UPDATED BY THE STATE AND WE ARE TOLD WE -- WE AUTOMATICALLY HAVE TO USE THE NEW LINE. SO WE CAN'T HAVE THE PLAN AUTOMATICALLY -- AGAIN IF WE REVISIT TABLE 3, WE CAN REVISIT IF THAT IS EVEN NEEDED BASED ON THOSE CHANGES. I WILL SAY WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR DELIBERATIONS, IT WILL BE HELPFUL TO GET DIRECTION ON TABLE 3. I HEARD BOTH THE IT HE SIRE FOR BY RIGHT DENSITY AND I HEARD WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THE CURRENT STRUCTURE. SO IT WILL BE GREAT TO GET THE CONSENSUS FROM COUNCIL ON IT. I ONLY HAVE GOT LIKE A COUPLE MORE. THE POLICIES RELATED TO MISSING MIDDLE. THERE ARE MANY POLICIES IN THE HOUSING SECTION. WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THE DISCUSSION OF THAT YET TONIGHT, ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT HAVE COME -- THAT COMES ALONG WITH -- WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE AND THE COASTAL BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL SO LINKED. BUT MISSING MIDDLE IS NOT A DEFINED TERM IN THE PLAN. THAT IS WHY WE HAVEN'T USED IT. WE TALK OF ALTERNATIVE HOUSING TYPES. THE INCLUSION OF THINGS LIKE DUPLEXES AND ATTACHED SINGLE-FAMILY. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF POLICIES ABOUT THAT IN THE HOUSING SECTION. THE POLICY -- THERE IS A LOT OF DISCUSSION WITH -- ABOUT DALE MABRY AND MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE. AND WHILE I ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE IMPACTS TO MacDILL AND THE DENSITY BONUSES AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE APPROPRIATE ON DALE MABRY GIVEN THEIR NEED TO EVACUATE, STAFF DID NOT FIND THAT WE WERE INCONSISTENT WITH POLICY 4.2.6, BECAUSE OUR READ OF THAT. >> THAT IT ADDRESSES ROAD CLOSURES AND NOT THE SPECIFICALLY THE ISSUE OF WHETHER THERE SHOULD BE DENSITY ALONG THOSE ROADWAYS. I THINK THAT IS ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I BELIEVE COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA -- >>LUIS VIERA: NO, ACTUALLY -- I HAVE THINGS TO SAY, BUT I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION ON THE GASWORX PROPERTY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE ARE NOT IN THE MOTION STAGE YET. >>LUIS VIERA: I WAS GOING TO DO THAT JUST FOR THE GENTLEMAN WHO REQUESTED HE HAD TO GO BACK TO ORLANDO. JUST ON THAT NARROWLY TAILORED ISSUE. IF IT IS THE PLEASURE OF -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DOESN'T AFFECT ANYTHING ELSE. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO LOOK AT SECOND AVENUE TO BE PUT BACK INTO THE COASTAL -- THE CDA. I THINK THERE WAS A MISTAKE THERE. THAT IT CAN BE REVIEWED AND BE MADE. I KNOW HE HAS TO GO BACK. HE CAME FROM ORLANDO FOR THIS MEETING AND GOING RIGHT BACK TO ORLANDO. SO THAT IS MY MOTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEM MANISCALCO /* COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. A SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: CAN YOU MAKE IT PRECISE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT MISCOMMUNICATING. WE WANT TO SPECIFICALLY ADD IT IN. NOT TO LOOK AT IT BUT ADD IT IN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 1402 EAST SECOND AVENUE TO BE ADDED TO THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT AREA BETWEEN -- WHAT IS IT, BETWEEN YBOR AND THE CHANNEL DISTRICT IN THAT AREA THAT WAS DESCRIBED. CLENDENIN CONTACT LENSES YOU ACCEPT THAT STILL YOUR SECOND? A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY. >>LUIS VIERA: I WILL SAVE MY REMARKS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT'S WHY I AM ASKING -- SO -- WHY DON'T WE DO THAT. COUNCIL DISCUSSION. WHO WOULD LIKE TO START? COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: COUPLE OF THINGS I WROTE DOWN WHICH IS, NUMBER ONE, SOMETHING THAT MR. CREMER SAID IS TRUE -- JAKE CREMER THAT FLORIDA, TALLAHASSEE IS WATCHING. AND WE HAVE SEEN THEIR MORE PUNITIVE STANCE. I AM THE CHAIRMAN OF H.A.R.T. AND WE ARE SEEING THAT POTENTIALLY THERE AND ON MORE ISSUES, MORE INTERVENTION, I SHOULD SAY. I THINK THERE IS A CONSENSUS -- DON'T WANT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF OTHER FOLKS TO POTENTIALLY CONTINUING THIS, BUT WE ARE MAKING IT RELATIVELY QUICK AND WILL PUT MORE WORK ON PLANNING COMMISSION AND WE WILL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO HELP AS GENTLEMEN AND GENTLE LADIES I KNOW THAT IN THAT REGARD, BUT TO MOVE AND EXPEDITE THIS, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO DELAY THIS UNNECESSARILY. IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING. COUPLE OF THE THINGS. MISS SHELL HAD SPOKEN FROM UNIVERSITY SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION. I HAVE AN E-MAIL THEY SENT -- I THINK IT WAS YESTERDAY EVENING. SO I HAVE ASKED MY ASSISTANT, MICHELLE, AND MYSELF AND OTHER FOLKS THERE AND FOLKS WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DEAL WITH THOSE SPECIFIC -- THERE ARE ABOUT EIGHT DIFFERENT REQUESTS THERE. I AM NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THEM ALL RIGHT NOW FOR THE SAKE OF TIME TO ADR. HE IS THOSE CONCERNS. I THINK THAT IS GREAT. OVERALL, INITIALLY TALKED ABOUT MY -- I GUESS -- I DON'T WANT TO SAY CYNICAL, BUT NEGATIVE VIEW OF THE FUTURE OF MASS TRANSIT IN THE TAMPA AREA AND HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY. THERE IS A BALANCE THAT WE HAVE, WHICH IS THAT WE CONTINUALLY FOR DIFFERENT REASONS, SOME ARE LEGAL REASONS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR CONTROL. SOME ARE POLITICAL REASONS. SOME THINGS ARE THE WILL OF THE VOTERS. 2022, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY POLITICALLY CHANGED RADICALLY ON THESE TYPES OF ISSUES. I DO MEAN RADICALLY. 2001 OUR INABILITY OR REFUSAL TO PROCEED WITH INFRASTRUCTURE SUPPORT THAT WE NEED, WHETHER IT IS FOR THINGS LIKE PUBLIC SAFETY, POLICE AND FIRE, WHETHER IT IS FOR OUR ROADS, MASS TRANSIT, STORMWATER ISSUES OBVIOUSLY ARE VERY ACUTE, PARTICULARLY FOR US HERE IN THE TAMPA AREA. AS WELL AS OUR POST COVID WITH REGARD TO HOUSING. A LOT OF THE HOUSING ADVOCATES SAY IS TRUE, WE ARE STILL IN THE HOUSING CRISIS AND THE HITS THAT WORKING FAMILIES HAVE TAKEN SINCE COVID. THE RENT IS PARDON ME, DAMN HIGH, AND FOLKS ARE FEELING THAT PINCH. SO WE NEED TO BALANCE THOSE OUT. AND, AGAIN, I AM VERY SYMPATHETIC TO THE FACT THAT A LOT OF OUR FRIENDS IN SOUTH TAMPA SAY A LOT OF THOSE AREAS HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED VERY, VERY LIBERALLY. I KNOW THAT BECAUSE NEW TAMPA, NOT MUCH MORE WE CAN DEVELOP OUT HERE. I TOTALLY TO QUOTE OUR 42nd PRESIDENT, I FEEL YOUR PAIN IN THAT REGARD. BUT I THINK IT IS A BALANCE IN THAT REGARD AND I LOOK FORWARD TO REACHING THAT. I WILL STOP NURTURING AND SAYING THINGS AND LET EVERYBODY ELSE SPEAK. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE MAP PASSED OUT AND SANDY SANCHEZ AND CARLOS RAMIREZ OF THE INCREASE OF DENSITY IN THE CITY BLOCKS TO THE TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS, IT IS ALL PINK. AND ALL PINK -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT IS AN OLDER MAP. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS THIS STILL IN PLAY? WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING TODAY? BECAUSE THIS WAS -- I FIRST HEARD ABOUT IT SATURDAY MORNING AT 7 A.M. THEN I SEE IT HERE. HAS THIS BEEN TAKEN OUT? >>MELISSA ZORNITTA: I BELIEVE THAT MAP IS CURRENT, BUT LET ME JUST TAKE A LOOK AT IT. YEAH, I THINK THAT THIS IS STILL ACCURATE. AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE THEIR LAND USE CATEGORIES ARE RESIDENTIAL-20 OR HIGHER ALREADY. WE RETAINED AN 1/8 OF A MILE ALONG THOSE CORRIDORS. SO THAT -- THAT IS WHY IT IS STILL THAT LARGE AREA IN THOSE AREAS, YES, THAT'S CORRECT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I MEAN THIS IS -- THIS IS THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD. MR. RAMIREZ MENTIONED THIS TAKES UP OUR ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD IN CERTAIN SECTIONS. KNOWING THIS OVER TIME AS PEOPLE DIE AND PROPERTIES CHANGE HANDS, IT WILL COMPLETELY ERASE THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THIS. SO, I KNOW, I KNOW, BUT I AM THINKING AS -- AS THINGS PROGRESS, AND THESE -- THIS IS WITHIN A HISTORIC WEST TAMPA DISTRICT AND EVERYTHING. THIS IS CONCERNING. AND WITH REGARDS TO LAND USE POLICY 7.1.4, AND IT WAS MENTIONED BY A MULTITUDE OF INDIVIDUALS IS TO -- TO INCREASE -- OKAY, INCREASES IN THE CHHA WHEN A DEVELOPER AGREES TO CONSTRUCT AND INVEST IN INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE CITY WILL ENHANCE THE RESILIENCY OF THE SURROUNDING AREAS. ONE OF THE SPEAKERS SHOWED A MAP OF THE LOWER PENINSULA. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS MI MISS POYNOR OR MISS BENNETT THAT YOU CAN'T -- YOU CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH, BUT THAT AREA IS GOING TO FLOOD. WHAT IS A DEVELOPER GOING TO DO TO ENHANCE THE RESILIENCY OF THE AREA? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T BEAT MOTHER NATURE. YOU FLOOD LESS. YOU -- IT IS -- IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. I THINK IT IS DANGEROUS IN THE SENSE THAT, YOU KNOW, STORMWATER SYSTEM, NO MATTER WHO YOU BIG, HOW MODERN IT IS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T MANAGE CERTAIN FLOODING EVENTS AND CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, 100-YEAR STORMS AND ALL THIS STUFF. >>MELISSA ZORNITTA: I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK EXACTLY WHAT HAD THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS THINKING, BUT I THINK THEY WERE LOOKING FOR IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THERE BEING SOME TOOLS FOR DEVELOPERS TO SUPPORT A BROADER OFF-SITE OF THEIR PROJECT. SOME IMPROVEMENTS -- I DON'T KNOW -- >> EVAN JOHNSON, CITY PLANNING. I WAS GOING TO ADD TO THAT. THERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES AND ST. PETE BEING THE MOST WELL KNOWN ONE LOCALLY WHERE THEY ALLOW CERTAIN AREAS IN THE CHHA, THEY ALLOW FOR AMENDMENTS TO BE REQUESTED, BUT THEY HAVE GOT SPECIFIC RESILIENCY FEATURES THAT HAVE TO BE INTEGRATED. THAT REQUIRED -- THE WAY THEY DID IT. AND THE LAST TIME I TALKED TO STAFF DOWN THERE. IT HAS BEEN A LITTLE WHILE. THAT IS HAVEN'T BEEN USED A LOT. THAT IS BASICALLY WHERE THAT CAME FROM, THOSE IDEAS THAT YOU CAN HAVE BUILDINGS WITH, YOU KNOW, BETTER GENERATORS. THEY MIGHT INCREASE THE FREEBOARD WHICH IS THE ELEVATION OF YOUR FLOOD LEVEL ELEVATION. THINGS LIKE THAT THAT CAN REDUCE THE RISK TO THE PEOPLE AND TO THE STRUCTURE. THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF POPULATED ATTRACTIVE AREAS THAT TEND TO IT BE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT IS COMMON SENSE. AFTER WHAT I SAW LAST YEAR IN THE FLOODING AND I LOVE DAVIS ISLANDS. I LOVE DAVIS ISLANDS. MY FRIEND AND I DROVE AROUND THE ISLANDS WHEN THE ROAD WAS PASSABLE. 100 HOUSES I WANT TO LIVE IN, BUT I WOULD NEVER LIVE THERE. BUILD HIGH UP BECAUSE I WANT SOMETHING HISTORIC AND COOL WITH HISTORIC CHARACTER BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE PUT IN THAT SITUATION. WHAT I AM GETTING TO -- AND I DON'T WANT TO CALL IT GREED, I KNOW EVERYBODY NEEDS TO MAKE MONEY, BUT HURTS THE SURROUND AREA. THEY FIX THEIR PROPERTY AND FLOODING OTHER PROPERTIES. SOME AREAS ARE LOW-LYING. I HAVE BEEN HERE MY WHOLE LIFE. AND I HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE ENTIRE CITY. IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. YEAH, THERE ARE BEAUTIFUL AREAS. I LOOKED OUT OVER THERE IN HARBOUR ISLAND IS HERE. AND SO MANY BEAUTIFUL PLACES. I WITNESSED WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR. AND WANT DEVELOPMENT. THEY WANT GROWTH. YOU NKNOW EVERYBODY SHOULD BE HERE AS WAS ALREADY SAID TAMPA TIES A LOT OF PEOPLE. I HAVE BEEN HERE MY WHOLE LIFE AND I NEVER THOUGHT AND I HOPE I WOULD NEVER SEE WHAT HAPPENED LAST FALL. SO OTHER PLACES WHERE THE -- WHERE THE BUILDERS CAN GO. AND I MENTION IT TO SOMEBODY. THAT PERSON IS NOT IN THE ROOM ANYMORE. I SAID WHY IS EVERYBODY BUILDING IN SOUTH TAMPA? EVERYBODY WANTS TO GO TO PLANT. EVERYBODY WANTS TO GO TO ROBINSON. THOSE SCHOOLS ARE FULL. YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE THESE KIDS GOING TO GO? WHY DON'T THEY LOOK AT OTHER PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE SAYING, HEY, HE WANT IT. RIGHT. THIS WHOLE THING. SO I COULD GO ON AND ON. THIS IS A HUGE -- THIS IS A HUGE DOCUMENT, BUT, AGAIN, THERE IS SO MUCH OPPORTUNITY -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO, WOULD YOU PLEASE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE THAT? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YEAH, I WANT TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY, BUT IF APPROPRIATE, I WILL DO IT NOW. SO IT IS FRESH. IF NOT I WILL JUST KEEP TALKING. >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, I WON'T FORGET IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE LU POLICY 7.1.4. >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. SECONDED FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. YES, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE. I THINK WE SAID THAT BEFORE AT THE MAY MEETING. IT WAS ADDED BACK IN BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND ULTIMATELY, IT IS NOW DECISION. SO I DO -- I UNDERSTAND THEIR DESIRE, BUT WE -- WE SAID IN MAY WE WOULDN'T SUPPORT THAT. SO THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS ON HERE THAT -- THAT WE DO NEED TO CHANGE. I -- THERE IS SO MUCH -- THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH TABLE 3, WITH THE MAX DENSITY AND INTENSITY IN SOME AREAS. BUT I AM ALSO CONCERNED THAT -- OR HOPEFUL THAT MAYBE SOME OF THAT CAN BE USED IN AREAS THAT REALLY DO WANT DENSITY AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS PAY AVAILABLE. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN SPLIT LIKE THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN SAY, HEY, THIS IS PART OF THE CITY THAT REALLY WANTS DENSITY. SO, AGAIN, I MIGHT ASK -- THAT IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE SOME OF MY DIRECTION IS TO HAVE YOU LOOK AT TABLE 3, WHICH IS THAT ALREADY BONUS DENSITY AND WHERE CAN WE -- WHAT -- THE AREAS THAT WE WANT TO FOCUS GROWTH, THEY SHOULD BE THE ONES TO BE GETTING THAT AUTOMATIC DENSITY. ANYTHING WE CAN TO DO FOCUS THE GROWTH WHERE WE HEARD THAT A, PEOPLE WANT IT. AND B, THAT IS OUTSIDE THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA WHERE PEOPLE CAN SHELTER IN PLACE. BUT THERE ARE QUITE A FEW PLACES IN THE CITY THAT REALLY ARE ASKING FOR THIS DENSITY. I MEAN WE HEARD FROM THE NORTH TAMPA, WHERE THEY WANT THAT DENSITY ALONG DALE MABRY AVENUE. THEY WANT ANYTHING THAT THEY CAN TO DO INCENTIVIZE IT. I HEARD FROM TAMPA HEIGHTS ABOUT IT. I HEARD FROM SEMINOLE HEIGHTS OF BEING HAPPY OF IT BEING FOCUSED ON THE CORRIDORS. SO THOSE ARE THE AREAS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO -- TO LOOK AT. BUT ALSO, KNOWING THAT WE CAN'T TAKE TOWN HOUSES OUT OF R-10 BECAUSE THEY ARE ALREADY ALLOWED. AND LIMITED, BUT THE LANGUAGE IS ALREADY THERE. SB 180 WOULD -- IF WE TOOK THAT LANGUAGE OUT, WOULD BE A CONSIDERATION OF TAKING AWAY PROPERTY RIGHTS. SO LIMITED IS WHAT WE SEE TODAY, WHICH IS HAVING TO COME THROUGH. HAVING TO GET AN AMENDMENT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I HEARD YOU SAY MULTIFAMILY IS OUT OF THAT DEFINITION OF TOWN HOME. AND, AGAIN, IN THE AREAS THAT ARE R-10 THAT WANT THAT ADDITIONAL DENSITY, HOW DO WE DO THAT? HOW DO WE THEN SAY IN THE MORE CENTRAL PORTIONS OF THE CITY THAT ARE R-10, HOW DO WE THEN SAY, YES, YOU CAN DO MULTIFAMILY. THERE WAS THE -- THE DEVELOPER WHO CAME UP INITIALLY -- OR ONE OF THE FIRST FOLKS THAT SPOKE THAT SAID, YEAH, YOU KNOW, I -- I HAD THIS 17,000 SQUARE FEET AND I HAVE TO BUILD ONE GIANT HOME I CAN'T BUILD TWO SMALL HOMES. THAT IS THE KIND OF THING THAT I DON'T KNOW -- IF IT IS LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OR FUTURE LAND USE, BUT IF IT IS LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE -- OKAY -- FUTURE LAND USE? THEN I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM IN THIS AS WE WELL. IN AREAS THAT WANT THIS, THAT NEED THIS GROWTH TO SAY, YEAH, YOU CAN PUT A QUAD RIGHT NOW, THE LOOP -- THE HOOPS THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH. >> SO JUST TO SPEAK TO THAT. THERE IS A DISTINCTION BETWEEN, LIKE, ATTACHED SINGLE-FAMILY, WHICH IS DUPLEXES, QUADS AND -- >>LYNN HURTAK: OH, OKAY, I AM SORRY. HOW FAR DOES IT GO? WHAT IS THE -- COULD IT BE A EIGHT PLEX OR A SIX PLEX. >>JENNIFER MALONE: THE LDC HAS VERY SPECIFIC DEFINITIONS AND WE DO NOT WANT TO MISSPEAK OF HOW THE LDC DEFINES THOSE THINGS. AND WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT THEM. I KNOW THAT MULTIFAMILY STYLE IS EIGHT ATTACHED UNITS BUT ALSO SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED AND SINGLE-FAMILY SEMI DETACHED. MULTIPLE DEFINITIONS MEAN DIFFERENT THINGS. >>LYNN HURTAK: THE PURPOSE OF THIS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THERE WILL BE ANY MORE. IN MOST OF OUR R-10 IT IS THREE STORIES AND LET'S TRY -- LET'S DRAW THAT LINE. SIX PLEXES. IN AREAS, BUT NOT ONLY THAT, I WAS UP, YOU KNOW, DOING STUFF FOR MY MOTHER LAST WEEK IN GAINESVILLE AND BIKING AROUND, AND THEY HAD THESE TEENY, TINY LOTS. THEY ARE SPLITTING LOTS AND PUTTING TWO VERY SMALL, VERY NARROW HOMES ON. AND THEY ARE IN THE $200,000s. IT IS NOT PERFECT FOR EVERYONE, BUT IT WAS -- I MEAN, COMPARED TO OUR PRICES, VERY AFFORDABLE. >> WOULD HAVE BE ENABLED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. >>JENNIFER MALONE: AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE DENSITY FOR IT TOO. AGAIN, IT IS A TWO-PRONGED. >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU WITH WITH R-10, YOU SHOULD HAVE THE DENSITY FOR THAT. TEN UNITS AN ACRE? >>JENNIFER MALONE: WE SEE THAT MORE NOW IN THE R-20 DESIGNATION. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY. MAYBE SOME PEOPLE MIGHT WANT TO CHANGE SOME ZONING. SO THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS I AM LOOKING AT, INCLUDING THE TRANSIT READY CORRIDOR. I THINK MULTIPLE PEOPLE HAVE TALKED OF THE FACT OF NARROWING THOSE CORRIDORS STARTING SMALL, BUT, AGAIN, I DO THINK AT THIS POINT, IT MIGHT BE A NEIGHBORHOOD ISSUE. I DON'T THINK FLORIDA AVENUE YOU WOULD CONSIDER, BUT FLORIDA AVENUE, FOR SURE. I MEAN, SEMINOLE HEIGHTS VISION PLAN HAS THAT ALREADY IN THERE. SO -- SO THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF CORRIDORS WE WOULD WANT TO CONTINUE. AND DEFINITELY EVALUATE THE EXTENT OF WHICH THE INNOVATIVE HOUSING TOOLS LIKE THE ROUNDING POLICY BE BROUGHT BACK WITH LIMITED APPLICATIONS IN THOSE AREAS WE ARE TRYING TO PROMOTE GROWTH. I THINK THE MAJOR OVERVIEW THAT I AM HEARING THAT SOMEONE PUT IT SO CLEARLY WAS NOT TO LOOK AT THIS AS A BLANKET, BUT LOOK AT IT AS A SPOT WHERE WE WANT TO FOCUS THE GROWTH. BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT IF WE FOCUS THE GROWTH IN THESE AREAS THAT WANT GROWTH, AS PEOPLE SEE WHAT IT CAN BRING, THERE IS LESS FEAR IN THAT. SOMETHING ELSE I AM GOING TO ASK FOR THAT HAVEN'T BEEN TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT THAT MIGHT BE A SEPARATE MOTION IS TO PROVIDE SOME VISUAL EXAMPLES IN SOME PILOT AREAS OF WHAT THE IMPACT OF THE DENSITY INCENTIVES WILL LOOK LIKE BOTH WITH DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT. SO SAYING, LIKE, CHOOSING TEN PARCELS IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY AND SAYING WHAT CAN WE DO WITH THAT. ASKING THE DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT TO DO THAT. AND ALSO ASKING MEMBERS OF THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY TO LOOK AT THOSE SAME PARCELS, BECAUSE JUST -- JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN PUT SOMETHING THERE, IT MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT WORKS DEVELOPMENTALLY. AND THE -- THE EXAMPLE THAT I USE WHEN TALKING ABOUT THIS THAT -- THAT WAS USED DURING THIS REZONING IN SOUTH TAMPA, IT WAS THE BREAD FACTORY THAT THEY REZONED INTO TOWN HOMES AND THE COMMUNITY SAID, WE REALLY WANT COMMERCIAL. AND THE -- THE DEVELOPERS CAME UP AND SAID WE PENCILLED IT OUT. COMMERCIAL DOES NOT WORK HERE. THIS IS WHAT WORKS. SO I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE DIFFERENT GROUPS TO JUST GIVE THE PUBLIC AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT BOTH SIDES LOOK AT WHEN THEY SEE A PARCEL. AND I THINK THE VISUALIZATION OF THAT WILL HELP ALL OF US UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE WHAT CAN BE PUT IN DIFFERENT PLACES. AND THEN WHAT PEOPLE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH. SO THAT WILL BE -- AND THEN, OF COURSE -- OF COURSE WORKING WITH CITY LEGAL ON THE POSSIBLE IMPLICATIONS OF SB 180 ON THE OVERALL AND I THINK THAT WILL BE HAPPENING ANYWAY, BUT I WANT TO SAY THAT. I KNOW WE WILL GIVE YOU AFTER A COUPLE MORE PEOPLE SPEAK, WE WILL GIVE YOU MORE TIME TO COME BACK AND COME UP WITH WHAT YOU THINK YOU HEARD. AND THEN MAKE SOME COPIES AND US TALK ABOUT IT. BUT I REALLY DO APPRECIATE ALL -- EVERYONE WHO HAS COME TONIGHT. EVERYONE WHO HAS SPOKE, AND EVERY WHO SENT AN E-MAIL, PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE WOULD, THEY HAVE DONE, OUR LEGAL AND OUR PLANNING TEAMS FOR ALL THE WORK THAT THEY ARE DOING ON THIS AS WELL. IT IS DEFINITELY A -- IT IS -- IT IS A VILLAGE EFFORT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, I WANT TO ECHO THE THANKS TO EVERYONE AS WELL, ESPECIALLY FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOLKS ACCOMMODATING ALL THOSE EXTRA MEETINGS. I KNOW IT TOOK TIME AWAY FROM YOUR PERSONAL TIME AND FAMILIES. WE WERE ALL OUT ALMOST EVERY NIGHT. AND YOU ALSO ACCOMMODATED OUR VACATIONS. THAT IS WHY IT WAS COMPRESSED IN SUCH A SHORT TIME. I APPRECIATE YOU ALL DOING THAT AS WELL. I THINK WE ARE -- YOU KNOW JAKE CREMER'S POINT, TO TO THE NEXT STAGE FASTER, FOR ME, THIS -- WE ARE ENTERING A DIFFERENT PHASE. THE PHASE NOW IS, IN MY MIND, AND I AM ONLY ONE OF SEVEN HERE, BUT THE PHASE TO ME WAS LISTENING TO WHAT THE PEOPLE HAVE SAID. AND SO, YOU ALL HAVE WRITTEN THAT PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF AND CITY AND ALL -- YOU HAVE WRITTEN THIS DOCUMENT THAT -- THAT IS HUNDREDS OF PAGES LONG. THE COMMUNITY IS TALKING ABOUT MAKING VERY FEW CHANGES. YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO SUMMARIZE THEM IN A FEW MINUTES, BUT SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES BUT NOT WHOLESALE CHANGING EVERYTHING. THEY DIDN'T ASK TO THROW THE WHOLE THING OUT AND START ALL OVER AGAIN. THEY ARE. ING THE HARD WORK THAT IS PUT INTO THIS. BUT AT THIS POINT, WHAT I WOULD WOULD EXPECT TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD IS THAT YOU ALL WILL COME BACK AND SAY, OKAY, WE LISTENED TO THE PUBLIC AND WE ARE GOING TO DO THAT. MIGHT BE YOU AS PLANNERS DON'T 100% AGREE. FOR EXAMPLE, DALE MABRY. YOU ALL WERE IN THE SAME MEETINGS I WAS AT. EVERYBODY IN THOSE MEETINGS SAID DON'T INCLUDE DALE MABRY AT ALL. AND AT THIS POINT, I THINK WE -- IF WE HAD TO JUSTIFY IT TO THE STATE, LET'S DO THAT. BUT IF WE ARE ALL GOING TO WORK ON SAME SIDE OF TABLE TO GET TO THE FINISH LINE ON THIS, WE NEED TO LISTEN TO WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS SAYING. IF WE DON'T LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE ANSWER IS THE CONSULTANT SAID WHAT THE COMMUNITY SAID IS A BAD IDEA. ONE OUT OF 10 OR ONE OUT OF 20 OR IF ALL OF IS A BAD IDEA BECAUSE THE CONSULTANT SAYS THAT, I WILL VOTE NO AND WE WILL HAVE A FIGHT WITH THE STATE IF WE HAVE TO. WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND NOT JUST -- NOT JUST THAT YOU ALL -- I WANT TO MAKE SURE DAVID -- I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE HERE. RECOMMEND THAT YOU ALL COME BACK WITH A LIST IN A FEW MINUTES. BUT RECOMMEND THAT YOU COME BACK NEXT WEEK OR THE WEEK AFTER TO COME BACK WITH A TIMELINE OR SCHEDULE AND MAYBE JUST CHECK IN ON US FOR THAT TOO. JUST TO MAKE SURE THE COMMUNICATION IS CLEAR THIS TIME. AND WAY TO OFFER UP THAT I WOULD SUPPORT HELPING THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN SOUTH TAMPA PUT TOGETHER MEETINGS. WE HEARD CLEARLY WE NEED TO HAVE MEET INFORMATION EAST TAMPA AND DISTRICT 5 AREAS. AND EVEN BEFORE WE PICK SOMEBODY, THE CANDIDATES CAN COME IF THEY WANT. I ATTENDED A DISTRICT 5 MEETING. THAT ONE WAS NOT ENOUGH. OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO HEAR MORE VOICES. I WOULD LIKE TO PUT NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS IN. AND I WANT TO KNOW WHO TOOK THAT OUT AND WHY? MAYBE YOU CAN TELL ME IN A FEW MINUTES. THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS HOW PEOPLE WOULD ACCEPT DENSITY. PEOPLE SAY IF YOU PUT A LITTLE GROCERY STORE THAT I CAN WITH A YOU CAN TO, I DON'T MIND A POCKET KET OF DENSITY. PUT A LITTLE COFFEE SHOP, I DON'T MIND HAVING THAT LITTLE BIT OF DENSITY. IF YOU TAKE IT OUT, YOU ARE NOT PROVIDING THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WANT IT. TRANSIT READY DEVELOPMENT AND TAKE THAT TERM OUT BECAUSE TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS HAVE KILLED IT. TALK MUCH TRANSPORTATION NODES. AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT HUGE DIFFERENCES EVEN ON DALE MABRY, AND I AM NOT GOING TO POINT OUT SPACES. CERTAIN SPACE ON DALE MABRY. YOU TAKE DALE MABRY WHOLE SALESOME ARE RIGHT NEXT TO NEIGHBORHOOD. SOME HAVE HUGE COMMERCIAL AREAS ALREADY. AND IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE EXACTLY WHICH SPOT YOU PICK FOR THOSE NODE OF DENSITY. I THINK THAT IS WHY WE HAVE TO GO NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THAT SHORT PLAN, A WEEK OR TWO, THE PUBLIC INPUT, HOW THE COMMITTEE CAN HELP YOU. I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE BUDGET TO DO IT ALL. FIND MONEY IN THE CRA OR GET VOLUNTEERS TO DO IT BUT WE NEED THAT UPDATE. ALSO A RECOMMENDATION TO GET RENTERS. SOMEHOW GET TO RENTERS, IF PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO THAT GET VOLUNTEERS TO DO IT AND LOWER INCOME PEOPLE. HOW DO WE GET MORE OF THOSE FOLKS OUT. WE TALKED OF THE MISSING MIDDLE. I DON'T KNOW WHY IF THE MISSING MIDDLE WITH AS A SECTION IN THE PREVIOUS PLAN, WHY IT WAS TAKEN OUT. MAYBE THAT BE IS A QUESTION FOR LAT LATER THE OTHER THING. THIS IS A LONG DISCUSSION. MAYBE SUPPLY AND DEMAND. ALL BONUS DENSITY IS A SPEED BUMP. EVERY DEVELOPER SAYS IT TAKES MONTHS EXTRA TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF BONUS DENSITY. WHAT THE COMMUNITY GETS OUT OF IT IS VERY LITTLE. IF WE HAVE -- IF WE HAVE TEN BUILDINGS AND ONE OUT OF TEN GETS BONUS DENSITY SO NOW THEY HAVE AN EXTRA 20 UNITS. IF WE COULD HAVE HAD 200 EXTRA UNITS INSTEAD, THE MARKET WILL BRING THE PRICES DOWN. AND WE WILL HAVE EXTRA TAXES FROM THE 200 UNITS THAT WE CAN USE TO WORK ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET BY LIMITING EVERYBODY ELSE, WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET THE BENEFIT THAT WE NEED. WE EITHER -- I THINK WE EITHER NEED TO PROVIDE BY RIGHT OR NOT AT ALL. AND THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO TRY TO WORK ON THAT. I DON'T THINK THAT THAT SYSTEM WORKS. FROM ANY RESEARCH I HAVE DONE AND IN TALKING TO EVEN THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. AGAIN, WE CAN ARGUE ABOUT THIS LATER. THIS ISSUE ABOUT EAST VERSUS SOUTH. REALLY OFFENSIVE E-MAILS WE HAVE GOTTEN OF SOUTH TAMPA AGAINST STEREOTYPES. A HISTORIC AFRICAN-AMERICAN PEOPLE, LOWER INCOME PEOPLE AND MIDDLE CLASS PEOPLE AND UNFAIR TO THINK OF SOUTH TAMPA TO BE RICH WHITE PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT SOMETHING IN THEIR BACK YARD AND WANT TO PUT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. I HAVE BEEN TO THE DISTRICT 35 MEETING. I HAVE BEEN SO SEVEN OR EIGHT OF DEBATES THAT I AND OTHERS HAVE BEEN IN. AND EVERYWHERE I GO, I HEAR THAT PEOPLE WANT DEVELOPMENT. THEY WANT DEVELOPMENT. THEY WARRANT GROWTH. THEY DON'T WANT WHOLE SALE GENTRIFICATION. SOME ADMINISTRATIONS SAY WE NEED TO TURN DOWN 2,000 HOMES AND HAVE HOUSES JUST FOR RICH PEOPLE WHICH IS HAPPENING. I DON'T THINK NOBODY HERE IS IN FAVOR OF THAT. ADD ALLEGE FEW TOWN HOMES, QUADS, OTHERS. I DON'T HEAR PEOPLE IN EAST TAMPA STAYING THEY DON'T WANT IT, IN FACT THEY ARE SAYING THEY WANT IT. WE NEED GROWTH TO GO WHERE THEY WANT IT. NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD. DALE MABRY -- I TALKED ABOUT DALE MABRY A MINUTE AGO, BUT IT IS AN EVACUATION CORRIDOR. GO THERE. MacDILL HAS SEVERAL SHIFTS. WHEN MacDILL IS LET WILLING IN AND OUT, IT IS A NATIONAL SECURITY HAZARD BECAUSE IT BACKS UP TO YOU GANDY AND SOMETIMES WAY FARTHER THAN GANDY AND PEOPLE CAN'T GET AROUND. MacDILL -- SOMEBODY MENTIONED MacDILL AVENUE IS TOTALLY BACKED UP MOST OF THE DAY. BAYSHORE IS BUSY MOST OF THE DAY. THE CROSSTOWN, SELMON IS PACKED FOR HOURS AND HOURS ALL DAY. THAT IS ON A NONEVACUATION DAY. I WENT THROUGH -- I THINK WE HAD TWO BRACS. 20 OR 30 YEARS AGO. I WAS ON THE TAMPA CHAMBER BOARD AND GO TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO DEFEND MacDILL AND KEEP MacDILL AS AN ASSET. THEY WERE TRYING TO KICK IT OUT. SHUT IT DOWN. WE FOUGHT HARD TO KEEP IT HERE. IF WE CREATE SECURITY THREATS FOR MacDILL, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN REMOVE THEM AND A HUGE LIABILITY FOR US. WE SHOULDN'T DO ANYTHING THAT WOULD APRIL LOW THAT TO THAT. -- ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN. WE HAVE GROWTH IN SOUTH TAMPA. IF WE DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING, THE GROWTH IN SOUTH TAMPA WILL BE MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE. NOT LIMITING GROWTH FOR RICH PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT IT IN THEIR BACK YARD. PROVIDING BALANCE BY ALLOWING -- NOT ONLY THE SAME LEVEL OF GROWTH IN PARTS OF THE CITY BUT ALLOWING GROWTH IN THE CITY-TO-PROVIDE EQUITY. MY SON GRADUATED FROM COLLEGE. HE HAS TWO JOBS RIGHT NOW. HE IS DESPERATELY LOOKING FOR A PLACE HE CAN AFFORD IN SOUTH TAMPA. IT IS HARD, I KNOW. BUT THERE ARE ALREADY PLACES APPROVED. DEVELOPERS ARE JUST GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW TRYING TO BUILD THOSE PLACES. WE WILL HAVE GROWTH NO MATTER WHAT. THERE WILL BE COMPETITION AND WE HAVE SEEN MARKET PRICE GOES DOWN. AGAIN, I -- I WANT TO -- I WANT US TO LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE. LISTEN TO WHAT THE PEOPLE SAID. LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE. UP WANT TO LEAVE WITH ONE LAST THING. I HAVE BEEN SAYING ANECDOTALLY FOR MONTHS THE CANARY IN THE COLE MINE, THAT THE ECONOMIC INDICATORS LAG AT LEAST A YEAR. SO WE CAN USE VANITY RANKINGS AND TALK ABOUT HOW GREAT WE ARE, BUT A LOT OF THE GROWTH WE HAD WAS BECAUSE YOU HAVE COVID AND BECAUSE A LOT OF RICH PEOPLE MOVED HERE FOR THAT FLORIDA BECAUSE THEY -- THEY DIDN'T WANT TO WEAR MASKS. A LOT OF THE COMPANIES THEY WERE WORKING WITH NOW AND OTHER PLACES HAVE -- ARE NOT ALLOWING PEOPLE TO WORK REMOTELY, SO MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE HAVE GONE BACK. MANY OF THEM GONE BACK BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS. THAT THE ROADS ARE BROKEN. THAT THE PARKS ARE FALLING APART IN SOUTH TAMPA AND EVERYWHERE ELSE. ONE OF THE VERY -- AND -- AS SOMEBODY -- THE MAYOR'S OFFICE SAY SHOW US PROOF, SHOW US PROOF. CALL ME AND I WILL GIVE OUT NAME OF THE REALTOR. I TALKED TO ONE OF THE TOP REALTORS IN SOUTH TAMPA YESTERDAY. HE SAID IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS, HE HAS 12 LISTINGS TO LEAVE TAMPA. 12 LISTINGS TO LEAVE TAMPA, AND ONLY ONE OF PEOPLE COMING IN. THESE NUMBERS ARE LAGGINGP THE REALITY OF WHAT WE ARE FACING BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T INVESTED IN SIDEWALKS AND STORMWATER AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND ROADS AND PARKS, AND BECAUSE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS OVERLOADED, GOOD PEOPLE WHO ARE CREATING JOBS AND CREATING WEALTH IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT ARE LEAVING. SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN HERE FOR DECADES AND ONLY THE LAST FEW YEARS. WE GOT TO TURN IN AROUND. WHEN WE GOT TRANSIT AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE FIXED, THEN WE CAN LOOK AT GROWTH AGAIN. THE MEANTIME, WE HAVE TO SLOW DOWN AND INVEST IN INFRASTRUCTURE SO THE INFRASTRUCTURE CAMS UP. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU. UP ALMOST FORGOT WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. CLENDENIN CONDITION WILL SOMEBODY IS COMPETING WITH YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I CAN HANDLE THAT. ANYWAY, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING. TALKING OF BUILDING AND GIVE YOU A SYNOPSIS REAL QUICK. YOU GO DOWN KENNEDY AND MAKE A RIGHT ON HOWARD. NICE. FOUR-LANE, BEAUTIFUL, ONE LANE. AND MEETS UP WITH COLUMBUS DRIVE WITH WHAT? ARMENIA. ARMENIA IS ALSO PRETTY NICE, BUT THEN ARMENIA HAS A PROBLEM WHEN IT HOOKS UP TO YOU HOWARD GOING FORWARD. BECAUSE WHEN IT YOU GET TO HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE, A TWO-LANE ROAD. YOU GO TWO BOLOCKS YOU ARE IN TE COUNTY. CHECK THAT OUT. GOING EAST TO WEST AND COMING FROM CARDINAL ROAD. YOU SAY I AM GOING TO TAKE A NICE ROAD. I AM GOING TO LEAVE NLK AND GO TO CARGO ROAD AND PICK UP MLK. YOU WILL BE ALL RIGHT TO GET TO HIMES. FROM HIMES ALL THE WAY TO THE INTERSTATE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF NEBRASKA. THAT IS A LONG WAY. IT IS GOING TO TAKE YOU 30 MINUTES FROM 4:00 UNTIL 5:30. BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHY? YOU CAN'T MAKE A QUICK LEFT TO GET ON THE INTERSTATE. ALL THE WAY OUT THERE IS A PROBLEM. I HAVE DONE IT AND TESTED IT OUT. AND I NKNOW. AND WE HAVE A PROBLEM THERE. COLUMBUS DRIVE. IT'S NICE. NICE ROAD. PAVED BY THE COUNTY FINALLY. A LOT OF ROADS NEED PAVING. I AM NOT SAYING -- UNFRIENDLY WITH THE COUNTY, BUT COLUMBUS DRIVE, ANY ROAD GOING EAST AND WEST, NORTH AND SOUTH IN WEST TAMPA, IT IS A TWO-LANE ROAD. SO YOU HAVE DITCHES IN WEST TAMPA. WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THE BUILDINGS? UNDERGROUND? I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. AND YOU GO BACK TO DALE MABRY, BEAUTIFUL ROAD, NICE ROAD, FOUR LANES ON EACH SIDE. ONLY ONE PROBLEM, WHEN IT GOES TO WEST TAMPA, WHAT DO YOU HAVE? ALL THE LAND HAS BEEN TAKEN ON THIS SIDE BY ENTITIES AND A NICE BIG PARK SHALL, AL LOPEZ PARK. THE OTHER SIDE AIRPORT FROM COLUMBUS DRIVE NORTH. YOU CAN'T BUILD THERE. SO YOU ARE LOSING WHAT YOU CAN BUILD ON BECAUSE YOU CAN'T BUILD ON. IT IS ALREADY TAKEN BY SOMETHING ELSE. SOME WHAT I AM SAYING, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO BUILD? YOU ONLY CAN BUILD IN WEST TAMPA NOW. NO EMPTY NOT, JUST TEAR DOWNS. I HATE TO SAY THAT. WEST TAMPA IS HAVING A PROBLEM NOW WITH TRAFFIC. COMING ON GREEN STREET FROM THE INTERSTATE WHEN THEY EXIT OR COMING UP -- ON THE RAMP. YOU SEE THE RAMP YOU WANT TO RAMP UP TO YOU CATCH UP THE CARS DRIVING 50 MILES PER HOUR AND NEIGHBORHOOD IS GETTING HALFWAY DESTROYED BECAUSE OF THE SPEED. WE ARE WORK ON THIS. OTHER AREAS -- YOU LOOK AT LOIS AVENUE. AND YOU LOOK AT BACK OF -- OF HOME DEPOT, WHAT DO YOU HAVE THERE? A BOTTLENECK ALL THE WAY DOWN FROM DALE MABRY ALL THE WAY DOWN FROM -- TO THE END WHEN YOU GET TO THE ROAD THAT HAS GOT ABOUT FIVE NAMES. COLUMBUS DRIVE SOUTH BECOMES SPRUCE. YOU HAVE ALL THAT ROAD AND YOU HAVE EVERY SINGLE ROAD CLOGGED UP. GO TO WHERE MISS SANCHEZ LIVING, THE CUT-THRU TRAFFIC IS UNBELIEVABLE. GO TO CYPRESS AND THE ROAD WITH WHERE MISS SANCHEZ LIVES, A BLOCK BEFORE ALESSI BAKERY, FOUR-WAY STOP. ALWAYS HAD A FOUR-WAY STOP. IF THEY HAD A STOP, YOU CAN'T GO. EVERY ROAD IS HAS TRAFFIC IN WEST TAMPA. NOT OPPOSED LOOKING AT SOMETHING AND PUTTING SOMETHING UP WHERE IT CAN BE DONE. NO PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT VERY, VERY FEW SPOTS LEFT FOR WHATEVER REASON, NO MATTER WHAT IT IS. IF YOU LOOK AT DALE MABRY, YOU CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT GOING TO TEAR DOWN AL LOPEZ PARK TO BUILD A HOUSE. HIMES AVENUE MAY HAVE SOME POSSIBILITIES. BUT THAT IS ABOUT THE ONLY ONE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I AM NOT RUNNING FOR MAYOR. [LAUGHTER] >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT'S -- >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: UNLESS I CHANGE MY MIND. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ONE OUT OF THE SIX THAT ARE OUT HERE. REST OF THEM ARE STILL UNDECLARED. IT IS UP TO ME. AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT HAVEN'T SPOKE. A COUPLE OF OBSERVATIONS AND THEN SUGGESTION. SOME THINGS IN PUBLIC COMMENT. ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE WITH THE SCHOOL CONGESTION. WE GO RIGHT BACK AT -- I HAVE BEEN COMPLAINING ABOUT TALLAHASSEE ALL DAY TODAY. MONEY CUT BACKS TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. THEY HAVE TAKEN BUSES AWAY, SCHOOL BUSES. IF YOU LIVE WITHIN TWO MILES OF A SCHOOL, KIDS NO LONGER GET BUSES. DOESN'T MATTER HOW DANGEROUS THE STREETS ARE BETWEEN THE STREETS AND THE SCHOOL. FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE SOUTH TAMPA AREA, DAVIS ISLANDS, KIDS HAVE TO GO TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. AND WHICH IS NOT THAT FAR BUT CLOSE ENOUGH, THEIR PARENTS HAVE TO DRIVE THEM BECAUSE IT IS -- THEY ARE OUTSIDE TWO MILES. SO ALL THESE CARS THAT ARE BEING AGAIN RATED TO TAKE ONE KID, ONE ADULT, ONE CAR. FOR EVERY KID INSTEAD OF THESE KIDS BEING ON A BUS. THIS IS HAPPENING ALL OVER THE CITY AND GO RIGHT BACK TO TALLAHASSEE BECAUSE THEY ARE UNDERFUNDING OUR PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM. OTHER THINGS TO TALK ABOUT. WE ALWAYS HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT -- EVEN THE FOLKS IN HERE THAT DON'T WANT TAMPA TO CHANGE OR WANT ANY ADDITIONAL DENSITY -- IS URBAN SPRAWL. PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM OR ANYBODY WHO HAS BEEN IN THIS ROOM TONIGHT WOULD ARGUE THE FACT IT IS DETRIMENTAL TO OUR ENVIRONMENT. DETRIMENTAL TO ANY KIND OF CONCEPT OF URBAN PLANNING TO ENCOURAGE URBAN SPRAWL, TAKING OUR AREAS IN THE COUNTY THAT ARE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE, YOU KNOW WITH THE PRESSURES THAT WE HAVE THERE. AND REALLY VERY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT PROMOTES PEOPLE LIVING FURTHER AND FURTHER. AGAIN, MORE CAR TIME. MORE EXHAUST. MORE POLLUTION IN THE AIR. QUALITY OF LIFETIME BECAUSE IT TAKES PEOPLE AWAY. SOME OF THIS DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE TONIGHT -- AND WE HAVE TALK OF TRYING TO ABSORB DENSITY AND BUILDING IN THE RIGHT PLACES IS SO WE CAN AVOID URBAN SPRAWL. MORE DENSITY DEVELOPMENT. AND PEOPLE CAN LIVE CLOSER TO THE CITY WHERE THEY WORK, PLAY AND IMPROVE EVERYONE'S QUALITY OF LIFE. I HEARD ABOUT THE EXISTING HOUSING STOCK AND REPURPOSING IT. PART OF THE PROBLEM ON WEST SHORE AND DAVIS ISLANDS. WE HAVE A FEMA 50% RULE. OLD HOUSES WERE DAMAGED. NOT REBUILT. TORN DOWN. DIRT IS SO EXPENSIVE AND BUILT UP AND MORE EXPENSIVE HOUSES. NOT SOMETHING TO SOLVE. IT IS A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PROBLEM, NOT OUR PROBLEM, A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PROBLEM WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE HERE? YOU KNOW THERE IS GOING TO BE A PROPOSAL IN TALLAHASSEE FOR THE TAMPA TRANSIT AUTHORITY. YOU KNOW WHAT, I WOULD SAY RIGHT NOW GIVE A 51% CHANCE OF IT BEING TRUE. SO WE HAVE TO MAKE -- WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR WHATEVER IS COMING OUR WAY. AND IF THAT HAPPENS, TAMPA IS GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTROL OVER WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE TRANSIT WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA. AND WE NEED -- YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE, AND YOU HAVE TO PLAN. BECAUSE THE SAME PEOPLE SITTING IN THIS ROOM TONIGHT 20 YEARS FROM NOW WILL GO, WHY DIDN'T THEY PLAN FOR THIS? WHY DIDN'T THEY ACCOMMODATE FOR THIS? THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER. PLANNING COMMISSION AND WHAT ALL OF Y'ALL ARE DOING, JUST REMEMBER, WE HAVE TO MAKE A PLAN. WE HAVE TO MAKE A PLAN. BONUS DENSITY IS INTERESTING, BECAUSE THERE IS A PART OF ME THAT REALLY -- I THINK I WOULD HAVE TO HEAR FROM MY FELLOW COUNCIL PERSONS ABOUT THIS. BUT PART OF ME I AGREE WITH THE CONCEPT OF NOT HAVING EITHER BONUS DENSITY BECAUSE OF THE COST OF THE DEVELOPER AND THE COST -- WHICH INCREASES THE COST OF HOUSING. REMEMBER, IT IS NOT JUST THE COST TO THE DEVELOPER BUT THE COST OF THE PERSON BUYING THAT HOUSE AND RENTING THAT PLACE AND DRIVING THOSE COSTS UP. I ALSO GET -- I GET THE FACT THAT GIVING -- GIVING -- GIVING STUFF -- I WAS GOING TO SAY A BAD WORD -- GIVING STUFF AWAY FOR FREE. AND AGAIN, I THINK I NEED TO HEAR FROM MY COUNCIL PERSON ABOUT THAT OF WHAT THEY ARE THINKING. OTHER ISSUE. I HAVE SEEN THIS PICTURE A COUPLE OF TIMES FROM MISS POYNOR AND CARROLL ANN BENNETT. SHOW THE TOWN HOUSES AND SMALLER UNIT NEXT TO IT. I THINK WHAT STANDS OUT THERE, THOUGH, THAT UNIT NEXT TO IT IS AGING HOUSE STOCK. AND UNLESS IT IS BEING REALLY REMARKABLE AND POUR A LOT OF MONEY INTO IT LIKE THE REHABS YOU SEE IN HYDE PARK, THE AGING HOUSING STOCK WILL, TORN AND REBUILT. ONLY X NUMBER OF YEARS IN THEIR LIFE CYCLE AND COST OF REHAB ON SOME OF THIS STUFF IS TOO MUCH. THE DIRT IS TOO EXPENSIVE. THESE HOUSES ARE GOING TO BE TORN DOWN. PLANS THAT WE ARE CREATING HAVE TO AT LEAST AGAIN LOOK AFTER THE FACT THAT A LOT OF THE STUFF, THERE IS AN AGE. AND IT IS GOING TO BE TORN DOWN. HOW IS THIS STUFF GOING TO GET REBUILT? I HEARD ALIGNING TRANSIT PLANS, FUTURE LAND USE AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. A LOT OF STUFF -- I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. A BIG ADVOCATE OF COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS BUT A LOT IS IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND NOT NECESSARILY THE FUTURE LAND USE. WE NEED TO AT LEAST CONCEPTUALLY IDENTIFY THE AREAS THAT WE BELIEVE WILL BE VIABLE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS. IF WE NEED TO MAKE FUTURE LAND USE CODE MODIFICATIONS BASED ON THOSE IDENTIFIED AREAS, I THINK A LOT OF THAT IS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WHICH WE ARE WORKING ON, BY THE WAY, AS WE SPEAK. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HIT IT,R-10 AND R-20. A LOT OF THIS STUFF -- SO MUCH OF THE COMMENT WE GOT TONIGHT ABOUT THOSE ISSUES ARE, IT IS ALREADY THERE BY RIGHT. THE USE ALREADY EXISTS. IN SOME WAYS THIS KIND OF NARROWS -- AT LEAST MORE CLEARLY DEFINES BECAUSE THE SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED DESIGNATION VERSUS WHAT CAN BE THERE NOW. A LOT OF THOSE AREAS YOU SEE -- I WAS LOOKING AT ONE OF THE MAPS THEY WERE SHOWING US BETWEEN MacDILL AND THE CROSSTOWN, I MEAN, THAT AREA IS COMPLETELY MIXED DEVELOPMENT. THERE ARE APARTMENT BUILDINGSING THAT ARE 80, 90 YEARS OLD AND OTHER -- AND TOWN HOUSES AND SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSES. THAT USE ALREADY EXISTS IN THAT AREA. THAT IS KIND OF LEFT -- THAT -- THAT HORSE HAS LEFT THE STABLE. I DON'T HAVE ANY THOUGHTS OF THE F.A.R. DENSITY BUT I KNOW THAT A QUAGMIRE AND QUICKSAND AND I AM NOT QUITE SURE HOW TO GET PAST THAT. ONLY THING I MAKE AS CONCRETE SUGGESTION IS THE TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS. I WOULD LIKE TO NARROW THE SCOPE ON THAT. I AM GOING TO THROW OUT STREET NAMES AND IDEAS THAT COUNCIL CAN CHEW ON AND SEE IF I AM EITHER MISSING SOMETHING OR MAYBE OUT OF WHACK. I BELIEVE THAT FLORIDA AND NEBRASKA ARE BOTH CANDIDATES TO BE DESIGNATED AS TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS. BUSCH BOULEVARD, HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE, FOWLER EAST OF 275, KENNEDY BOULEVARD, DALE MABRY NORTH OF KENNEDY, 40th STREET, SOUTH OF THE RIVER, FOWLER. WHAT DID I SAY. BUSCH BOULEVARD, SORRY, BUSCH BOULEVARD. AND HOWARD AVENUE. I WANT TO EXPLAIN WHY WE HAVEN'T-LANED THE STREETS BACK. I DON'T GET IT. HOWARD AND ARMENIA BEING ONE-WAY STREETS. I DON'T THINK IT IS GOOD FOR COMMERCIAL OR THE PEOPLE, BUT ONE DAY THIS COUNCIL SHOULD PROBABLY TAKE THAT OUT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DESIGN OF THE INTERSTATE COMING THROUGH AND FDOT TO MANAGE THE TRAFFIC. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW WE CAN GET -- UNWIND THAT SITUATION AT SOME POINT. BUT THOSE ARE THE STREETS THAT I IDENTIFY AS AREAS THAT PROBABLY CAN BE -- WOULD ACCOMMODATE -- REASONABLY ACCOMMODATE. BECAUSE I STARTED THINKING OF CONSENSUALLY BRTs -- MAYBE PROPOSALS WE ARE LOOKING AT. THE TRANSPORTATION THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT BETWEEN THE AIRPORT AND DOWNTOWN. POTENTIAL TRANSPORTATION WE ARE LOOKING AT BETWEEN DOWNTOWN AND FOWLER. AND THE FOWLER CORRIDOR. YOU KNOW WITH THE STADIUM GOING UP ON FOWLER AND THINGS HAPPENING UP THERE, THERE IS GOING TO BE -- WE ARE BUILDING THE DEMAND ALREADY. AND SO THAT'S HAPPENING AS WE SPEAK. OBVIOUSLY WITH BUSCH GARDENS AND THE INTENSITY THAT WE HAVE ALONG BUSCH. HILLSBOROUGH, WE ALREADY SEE SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE STEPS. THAT SEEMS REASONABLE. 4 43 LOOKING FOR DENSITY IN EAST TAMPA AND SOME OF WHAT WE ARE LOOK AT FOR OPPORTUNITIES FOR ADDITIONAL HOUSING AND ADDITIONAL INTENSITY OF HOUSING. SO I WILL LEAVE THAT FOR DISCUSSION. AND I WILL FINISH THERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU MENTIONED HOWARD. WHO HAD THE MIKE ON FIRST -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WAS THINKING HOWARD. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOWARD WHERE? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOWARD NORTH OF KENNEDY. MY NOTE THAT I COULDN'T READ. WHAT WAS THAT SCRIBBLE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO PAST THE JCC CIGAR FACTORY, CROSS INTERSTATE AND MAIN STREET, YOU GO INTO DOWNTOWN WEAPONS TAMPA AND A LOT OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES. GO TO A HISTORIC ROOMING HOUSE THAT IS BRICK. A LOT OF HISTORIC. THE WEST TAMPA HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT MAKES UP 800 TO 900 BUILDINGS -- THAT IS WHERE THE STREETCAR WENT BACK IN THE DAY. I DON'T WANT TO PUT THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES IN DANGER. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE OVERLAY DISTRICT. I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT TOO. TALKING OF SOME OF THE ISSUES OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. REMEMBER WE STILL HAVE THE OVERLAY DISTRICTS. IF IT IS IN THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION OR HISTORICAL DISTRICT. THOSE THINGS SUPERSEDE ALL OF THIS TOO. ALWAYS REMEMBER, WE HAVE THESE LITTLE SAFETY SWITCHES BUILT IN. SO IF YOU ARE IN THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY DISTRICT OR SEMINOLE HEIGHTS OVERLAY DISTRICT AND HYDE PARK ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION DISTRICT. ALL INTEREST TO GO THROUGH THAT AS WELL. IT IS A SAFETY SWITCH. >>LYNN HURTAK: WELL, TO SOME DEG DEGREE. >> MAY UP CLARIFY ONE THING OF WEST TAMPA -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: STATE YOUR NAME. >> SORRY, EVAN JOHNSON. EVAN ROSS JOHNSON. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE A VERY GOOD FRIEND AND THANK THAT'S HIS NAME. >> -- CITY PLANNING. JUST ABOUT WEST TAMPA THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY DOES HELP MODIFY FORM AND MAKE IT FIT INTO THE HISTORIC FABRIC BETTER, MORE CLEARLY; HOWEVER, THERE AREN'T ACTUAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROTECTIONS ON ANY OF THOSE BUILDINGS. IT IS NOT A LOCAL DISTRICT. IT IS A NATIONAL DISTRICT, IT DOES HAVE INVENTORY -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS ARE PROTECTED? >> A COUPLE OF BUILDINGS -- THAT IS UNTRUE -- A COUPLE OF LANDMARK BUILDINGS, I DON'T HAVE THE LIST IN FRONT OF ME, FIVE OR LESS. BUT SEVERAL HUNDRED THAT ARE NOT PROTECTED. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE NEED TO FIX THAT. >> THAT IS NOT TONIGHT'S MEETING. [LAUGHTER] >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OH, NO NOT. [LAUGHTER] -- OH WHY NOT? [LAUGHTER] >>LYNN HURTAK: I APPRECIATE THIS CONVERSATION AND TRANSIT-READY CORRIDOR. THE ONES YOU MENTION READY NINE, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY ARE TOWN HOUSE CORRIDORS. THEY ARE TRANSIT CORRIDORS. THE TOWN HOMES IN THE DENSE -- THE AREAS THAT WANT THE IT DENSITY, WE WILL BE WANTING QUADS IN THE MIDDLE OF A BLOCK. THAT IS WHY I AM SAYING THE TOWN HOME -- GETTING RID OF JUST THAT SMALL STRIP AND GOING BACK TO TOWN HOMES OR TOWN HOME APPROPRIATE TYPE STYLE IS IT ALREADY IN R-10 IN -- IN APPROPRIATE AREAS. WE ALREADY HAVE THE LANGUAGE IN THERE. AND WE HAVE MODERATED THAT AS COUNCIL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET ME ASK FOR CLARIFICATION. I GUESS MAYBE I AM JUST GETTING HUNG UP ON A PARADIGM IN MY OWN HEAD ABOUT THIS TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS. >>LYNN HURTAK: TRANSIT AND TOWN HOMES ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WASN'T JUST TALKING OF TOWN HOUSES. >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT YOU SAID TOWN HOUSES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A WHOLE DIFFERENT DISCUSSIONS. >> I HEARD THAT YOU WERE LISTING OUT THE TRANSIT-READY CORRIDOR. >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, THEN I MISUNDERSTOOD. OKAY, THEN I GUESS I RESCIND THAT COMMENT. YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT BONUSES. AND WE HAVE THIS INTERESTING BONUS STRUCTURE WHERE IF UP PROVIDE SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING, YOU CAN GET MORE DENSITY. AND I -- I WOULD BE -- I WOULD -- I WOULD NOT WANT TO GET RID OF THAT. EVEN IF THAT IS THE ONLY BONUS STRUCTURE WE GET, I FEEL LIKE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT REALLY INCENTIVIZES PEOPLE TO BUILD HOUSING WE NEED, BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY, IN THESE CASES, WE ARE GETTING, LIKE, 10% TO 20% OF UNITS, BUT IT IS 10% OR 20% MORE UNITS THAN WE HAD. AND I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING WE CAN AFFORD TO TAKE AWAY THAT BONUS AND JUST DO BY RIGHT DENSITY. I AGREE WITH BY RIGHT DENSITY AND ENCOURAGING IT. AND ALONG SOME OF THESE CORRIDORS LIKE THE DEVELOPER SAID WHEN HE CAME IN REALLY WANTING TO BE ABLE DO SO IN THE 6,000-SQUARE-FOOT LOTS, BUT I -- I JUST -- I WOULD BE -- I NEVER WANT TO TAKE AWAY ANYTHING THAT WOULD INCENTIVIZE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. ESPECIALLY LOWER AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND THE BONUS STRUCTURE THAT WE CREATED REALLY GIVES YOU UP TO 100% DENSITY FOR OFFERING HOUSING WITHIN THE 30 TO 50% AREA MEDIAN INCOME. THAT IS CRITICAL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE AN ANALYSIS OF HOW MUCH WE ARE GETTING THAT WITHER NOT PAYING FOR WITH CRA SUBSIDIES OR FEDERAL MONEY. >>LYNN HURTAK: WE HAVEN'T ALLOWED IT. THAT IS WHY WE ARE NOT DOING IT. ALL WE ALLOW IS 10% AND WE ARE NOT GETTING WERE. THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR IT -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: REMEMBER 80%. AT MARKET RATE. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS WHAT THE GOAL IS, YOU PROVIDE HOUSING. 50% OR BELOW, YOU CAN GET UP TO 100% DENSITY BONUS. THAT IS INSANE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IS ANYBODY GOING TO DO THAT OR AFFORD FOR DO THAT? >> THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION AND THE COST OF DIRT SOMETHING THAT IS PRACTICAL? >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU ARE GETTING WAY MORE UNITS THAN ANY OTHER WAY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THIS GUY PUTS OUT RFPs. >> EVAN JOHNSON, CITY PLANNING. COUPLE OF THINGS ABOUT THE BONUS TO COUNCILWOMAN'S POINT, YES, THE NORTH CAROLINA LEVELS THAT YOU ARE SUPPORTING GO DOWN, MORE BONUS TO OFFSET THE COST. ORIGINALLY CALIBRATED THE BONUSES, MOST OF THE COMP PLAN BASICALLY SETS THE -- KIND OF THE OVERALL FRAMEWORK. GOING TO BE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WHERE WE ACTUALLY COME IN THERE AND SAY THIS AMI LEVEL, ETC., ETC. DETAILS IN THERE. THE PROCESS IS GOING TO BE IN THERE. SOMETHING ON OUR LIST ONCE THE COP PLAN GETS MOVING, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THAT AND BRING OUT OF THE DETAILS. BECAUSE IT IS TRUE, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A 10% SET ASIDE. ONLY PLACE WE WILL GET A LOT OF THOSE THAT WILL BE COMMITTED TO IN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT SOME OF THOSE. RIGHT AROUND THAT CDB PERIPHERY WHERE WE HAVE THE SUBSTANTIAL AM DEVELOPMENTS. ONE THING I WANT TO MENTION ALSO. WHEN WE DEVELOP THE DRAFT AND WHAT HAS BEEN DRAFTED IN THE CODE THUS FAR. DONE AT A TIME. A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF AGO AND DONE BASED ON CURRENT MARKET TRENDS AT THAT MOMENT. WE USED CONSTRUCTION COST AND TYPICAL RATE OF RETURN. LOOK AT COSTS BY THE CITY. AND WE DO OUR BEST TO CALIBRATE AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT EVERYTHING CHANGES MONTH TO MONTH. THERE WAS AN ATTEMPT TO MAKE IT MARKET FEASIBLE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MAYBE ONE TIME SIT DOWN OVER A CUP OF COFFEE AND WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE. COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO COMMENT ON THE QUARTER THING, BUT QUICKLY ON THE BONUS DENSITY. WHEN I TALKED TO THE FOLKS IN CHANNEL DISTRICT O, IF WE HAVE GIVEN BY RIGHT TO BUILD UP TO THE CDB, WOULD HAVE MISSED OUT. AND THE ONLY WAY WE COULD WORK OUT SOMETHING OR THEY COULD WORK OUT SOMETHING TO HAVE A BONUS DENSITY. THE COMPLAINT THAT EVERYBODY GIVES, IT TAKES AN EXTRA FEW MONTHS AND A LOT MORE MONEY. WE HAVE A SHORTAGE OF UNITS NOW. AND THE CAPITAL MARKETS ARE REALLY DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO BORROW MONEY TO BUILD. AND THE BONUS DENSITY SLOW PEOPLE DOWN. IF WE CAN GET -- AND I AM MAKING UP THE NUMBERS -- BUT IF BONUS DENSITY GETS US 20 UNITS THAT ARE AFFORDABLE OR GET 200 UNITS AT MARKET RATES. 200 UNITS WILL KEEP THE PRICE DOWN AND GET TAXES FROM THEM THAT WE CAN USE TO HELP PEOPLE MOVE INTO HOUSES. AND SO -- I MEAN, I LIKE TO SEE AN ECONOMIC MODEL ON THAT IF SOMEBODY WILL ARGUE FOR BONUS DENSITY. I AM ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROPONENTS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT I DON'T THINK THIS IS RIGHT HALL TO. I THINK THIS IS A TERRIBLE TOOL BECAUSE LIMITING THE NUMBER OF UNITS IN OUR COMMUNION. IF WE HAVE A PIECE OF LAND AND BUILD AN EXTRA 20 UNITS WHY WOULD WE NOT WANT TO DO THAT TO HAVE PEOPLE JUMP THROUGH HOOPS. ON THE CORRIDORS -- SORRY, A LONG NIGHT. ON THE CORRIDORS, I THINK THE ONES YOU MENTIONED READY KIND OF THE RIGHT ONES. I MENTIONED KENNEDY IN THE PAST. AND I HAVE GOTTEN CHEWED OUT BECAUSE OF IT. SO -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IF WE -- >>BILL CARLSON: YOU HEARD THE FEEDBACK ABOUT HOWARD. WHAT WOULD SUGGEST BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T PUNT THAT OUT IN THE PUBLIC YET, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU PUT THAT OUT AS A -- AS A QUESTION INSTEAD OF PATCH MANDATE. PUN PUT IT OUT AS A QUESTION AND THAT LIST TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHEN YOU GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC, CAN YOU ASK THE PUBLIC WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT THIS LIST SO WE CAN GET FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC SO WE ARE NOT MANDATE WHAT THE PUBLIC THINKS ABOUT OF IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK -- OH, COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. YOUR MIKE IS ALWAYS ON. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ON AND OFF. AND I KNOW YOU ARE HALF BLIND. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ONLY HALF. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ANYWAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. AND THERE ARE TWO THOUGHTS -- ONE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP RECENTLY ABOUT THE BONUS AND ONE THAT IS NOT BONUS. THAT IS FINE. EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OPINIONS. IF YOU BUILD THEM WITHOUT A BONUS, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE ONES STILL LOOKING FOR A BONUS? THEY WILL NEVER LIVE ANYWHERE. YOU SEE, WHERE I COME FROM, PONS D[L]EYOUNG HOUSING PROJECTS. I DON'T KNOW WHO BUILT THEM, BUT THEY WERE GREAT. WHEN PEOPLE DIDN'T HAVE HOT WATER -- I HAD A HOT WATER SOLAR SYSTEM UP IN THE '50s. WE WEREN'T BEHIND. A LO LOT OF PEOPLE IN TAMPA DIDN'T HAVE HOT WATER UNLESS THEY PAID FOR IT WITH ELECTRIC BILL OF BILL. WE GOT IT FOR ME. YOU WOULD TAKE A SHOWER AND TUB. WE HAD A SHOWER AND GAS HEATER. I NEVER HAD A GAS HEATER IN MY LIFE UNTIL I MOVED INTO A HOUSING PROJECT. ALL I HAD WAS A FURNACE IN THE HOUSE. AND SOOT ALL OVER THE HOUSE. A LITTLE HEATER WITH A HOT POT AND BOIL WATER. I AM SEEING SOME YES HERE. THAT IS WHAT IT WAS. NOBODY AIRPORT FILET MIGNON. WE DIDN'T -- SHALL YOU KNOW WHAT, NOW YOU CAN AFFORD IT AND THE DOCTOR DOESN'T -- AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THE GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD IT. THAT'S ALL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: AND I HEARD SOME TALK BEEN MEETINGS. AND I DON'T DISAGREE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE MEETINGS, BUT AFTER THIS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION REALLY NEEDS SOME TIME TO RECONSIDER AND STUDY TO HELP THE PUBLIC WE NEED TO GIVE DRINK, LET THEM DO THAT DIRECTION, AND THEN CONSIDER MEETING -- I DON'T DISAGREE COMING FORWARD IDEALLY AFTER BUDGET SEASON TO TELL US THE PLAN TO GO FORWARD. LET US GET THROUGH BUDGET SEASON. LET YOU ALL GET, YOU KNOW, YOUR HAND AROUND THIS TO JUST LOOK AT. BUT -- I -- I WANT TO SEE -- I WANT TO GIVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TIME TO ABSORB THIS AND REALLY LOOK AT THE CHANGE AND REALLY TAKE OUR DIRECTION OF -- OF LOOK IN SPECIFIC AREAS MORE -- MORE STRONGLY. AND I THINK THAT WE WILL GET A LOT MORE THERE. AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I MENTIONED THAT, BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING ON MY MIND. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOW ABOUT WE -- I WILL MAKE THIS MOTION FOR THIS TRANSIT CORRIDORS -- HIGH TEMPERATURE HURTAK NO, NO. BUT -- WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO IS -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GIVE THE DIRECTION THUS FAR AND KNOCK THIS OUT RIGHT NOW. >>LYNN HURTAK: THEY NEED SHOP TIME TO GET IT ALL TOGETHER TO GET A MOTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK YOU WANT DIRECTION FIRST, DON'T YOU? >>LYNN HURTAK: NO. >>BILL CARLSON: THIS IS COMING FROM YOU, NOT THE PUBLIC. THEY WILL SUMMARIZE WHAT HAD THE PUBLIC SAYS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THING IS APPROPRIATE. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RESTRICT THE TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS -- HOW WOULD I SAY THAT -- HIGH TEMPERATURE HURTAK WE WANT THEM TO RESEARCH IT. TALK ABOUT LOOKING AT IT. >>BILL CARLSON: ASKING THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GET PUBLIC FEEDBACK. >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, NO, NOT PUBLIC FEEDBACK. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEY ALREADY HAVE TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I WANT TO DELETE EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR THESE CORRIDORS. SO IF IT IS NOT ON THIS LIST, I WANT IT DELETED FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT IF THEY LOOK AND SEARCH ANOTHER ONE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEN THEY CAN COME BACK TO US. >>LYNN HURTAK: NOT SAYING THESE ARE THE ONLY ONES, SAYING THESE. AND IF -- IF THERE ARE OTHERS, LET US KNOW. THESE ARE THE ONES WE DEFINITELY WANT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEY CAN COME BACK TO US TOO. BUT RIGHT NOW THIS IS A STARTING POINT. DELETE ALL EXCEPT FOR FLORIDA, NEBRASKA BUSCH HILLSBOROUGH FOWLER, EAST OF 275, KENNEDY BOULEVARD, BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE THE TRANSIT IS GOING TO GO TAMPA INTERNATIONAL AIM AND DOWNTOWN. DALE MABRY NORTH OF KENNEDY. AND -- I TOOK HOWARD OFF BECAUSE OF OPPOSITION. 40th STREET SOUTH OF THE RIVER. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT ABOUT 15th? AND WHAT ABOUT 30th? >>MELISSA ZORNITTA: SO PERHAPS, IF I MAY. PERHAPS THE MOTION IS THAT -- THAT THOSE CORRIDORS BE THE STARTING POINT, AND THAT WE -- THEN LOOK AT WHETHER -- AND BRING BACK WHETHER ANY OTHERS SHOULD BE ADDED TO THAT LIST. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT HI HEARD OVER AND OVER FROM THE PUBLIC. BRING IT DOWN. PECULIAR YOUR -- YOU KNOW, PICK YOUR CORRIDORS. PICK THEM. THESE WERE THE CRITICAL ONES THAT I THINK LOOKED LIKE -- IF -- >>MELISSA ZORNITTA: I OF I AGRET SOME IN EAST TAMPA. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NEBRASKA AND 40th. SO CAN WE START -- WOULD YOU LIKE -- I WILL TAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO ADD 157. >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK THAT IS WHAT THE TEN-MINUTE BREAK IS FOR. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WOULD SUGGEST -- THAT IS WHAT THE BREAK IS FOR. AND JUST A REMINDER UNDER ROBERTS RULES AND YOUR RULES, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PASS THE GAVEL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I ALREADY DID HURTAK HOR-- /*. >>LYNN HURTAK: I DIDN'T ION REALIZE. LUIS. I AM GOING WITH FIRST NAMES. >>LUIS VIERA: THAT'S ALL RIGHT. WE ARE FRIENDS. WHAT WAS I GOING TO SAY. THIS IS SUBJECT TO DISCUSSION OF UNIVERSITY SQUARE. I DON'T THINK IT IS GOING TO BE OPPOSING THIS WHATSOEVER, BUT SUBJECT TO DISCUSSION, UNIVERSITY SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION WILL BE HAVING -- I KNOW MICHELLE IS STILL THERE. SUBJECT TO THAT. I KNOW THAT THE OBJECTION WAS TO THE -- MAN, I NEED BETTER GLASSES, TO THE FOWLER AVENUE ACTIVITY CENTER. BUT I WILL HAVE IT SUBJECT TO THAT. WE WILL MAKE IT -- >>LYNN HURTAK: A SUGGESTION. THAT'S WHY IT IS A SUGGESTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AGAIN. SO I HAD A MOTION FOR FLORIDA AND NEBRASKA, BUSCH, HILLSBOROUGH, FOWLER EAST OF 275, DALE MABRY NORTH OF KENNEDY, 40th STREET SOUTH OF THE RIVER, AND 15th STREET. I AM FINE WITH THAT AS WELL, IF YOU AND WITHED TO ADD THAT. I AM OKAY WITH THAT. >>BILL CARLSON: YOU HAVE TO SAY BEGINNING OF IT AGAIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO ELIMINATE -- START OFF -- THESE WILL BE THE STARTING POINT -- THIS WILL BE STARTING POINT OF TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS. AND OF COURSE WE CAN ADD TO THEM IF THEY IDENTIFY FURTHER. DURING THAT 15-MINUTE BREAK, IDENTIFY MORE. NUMBER ONE THING I KEPT HEARING FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, COUNCIL, JUST DON'T LEAVE US HANGING. YOU WANT SPECIFIC DIRECTION. FROM THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT AND PUBLIC COMMENT AND THE E-MAILNESS I GET, THEY WANTED TO IDEA. THEY WANTED TO CONTRACT. THEY DIDN'T WANT EVERYTHING TO BE A TRANSIT-READY COO ARE DOOR. THEY WANTED TO CONTRACT. THESE ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT. WHERE TO PUT THE BRT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND TO DISCUSS IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I MOTION THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ONLY REFLECT FLORIDA AVENUE, NEBRASKA, BUSH BOULEVARD, HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE, FOWLER EAST OF I-275 ALREADY KENNEDY BOULEVARD, DALE MABRY NORTH OF KENNEDY, 40th STREET SOUTH OF HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, AND -- DID WE WANT TO ADD 15th STREET? >>LYNN HURTAK: NOT FOR NOW, BUT MAYBE -- WE WILL TALK TO THE PUBLIC THE BREAK. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: -- AS TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS. >> FOR STARTERS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FOR STARTER'. >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER CONVERSATION? OKAY. DO WE WANT A ROLL CALL -- OR ALL IN FAVOR. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. AND THEN NOW I THINK WE SHOULD LET THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE SOME TIME. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU NEED? SHELBY SHE WILL REALISTICALLY. >> WE CAN TALK IN TEN MINUTES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU 15. SO WE WILL BE BACK AT 9:45. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST A REMINDER THAT COUNCIL -- OKAY. THANK YOU. JUST TO REMIND THAT YOU IF YOU WERE GOING TO BE TALKING TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, REMIND YOUR 70s THAT YOU ARE STILL IN THE SUNSHINE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SUNSHINE STILL APPLIES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WILL CALL COUNCIL TO ORDER. ROLL CALL, PLEASE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE. >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE. >>LUIS VIERA: HERE. >>BILL CARLSON: HERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE. >>CLERK: YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE LEFT OFF YOU WITH GUYS HAVING A POWWOW AND YOU ARE GOING TO BRING SOME SUGGESTIONS. >>MELISSA ZORNITTA: WE HAVE A COUPLE OF SUGGESTIONSS -- AND I AM BREAKING THESE UP A BIT. SO THE FIRST THING THAT IS A LIST OF POLICIES OR SECTIONS OF THE PLAN THAT BASED ON PUBLIC COMMENT AND YOUR DISCUSSION, WE WOULD LIKE -- IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR US TO REVISIT THESE. SO REVISIT ADOPTED IN IT THE CURRENT ADOPTED PLAN OBJECTIVE 9.4 AND 9.5, TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THINGS NEED TO BE ADDED BACK INTO THIS DRAFT. REVISIT THE FOWLER REGIONAL ACTIVITY CENTER AND ITS BOUNDARY WITH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH. REVISIT POLICY 7.1.2, THAT IS ON PLAN AMENDMENTS IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA. REVISIT POLICY 2.2.3, ON MULTIMODAL CORRIDORS. IT WAS SAID THAT WAS VAGUE. REVISIT POLICY 3.6.2, THAT IS ON RATTLESNAKE POINT. REVISIT 3.1.17 AND 3.1.18 THAT WERE ABOUT THE DESCRIPTIONS OF THE LAND USE CATEGORIES. REVISIT HOW NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS ARE ADDRESSED AND MAKE THAT MORE -- MAKE THEM MORE DISTINCT. REVISIT THE ROUNDING. AND IF THAT CAN BE REINTRODUCED IN CERTAIN AREAS. AND THEN REVISIT POLICY 3.2.1 ON THE LOCATIONAL CRITERIA. AND FOR ALL OF THESE THAT ARE BEING ASKED TO BE REVISITED, WE WOULD LIKE IT CLEAR THAT IT -- THAT WE ARE ALSO GOING TO BE REVIEWING ALL OF THE POLICIES IN THE PLAN, INCLUDING THESE FOR IMPLICATIONS OF SENATE BILL 180. AND SO, THAT IS WHY -- SO JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN WE ADD IN TABLE THREE? >> SO I WOULD LIKE A SEPARATE MOTION ON TABLE 3. AND A SEPARATE MOTION ON 3.3.6 ON TOWN HOMES. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY, GREAT. I MAKE A MOTION TO REVISIT POLL 9.4, 9.5, THE FOWLER REGIONAL, 7.1.2, 2.2.3, 2.6. 3.1.17. 3.1.18-COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS AND 3.2.1. SORRY, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, SORRY. NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS AND 3.2.1, WHILE ALSO VISITING -- LOOKING AT THE REST OF THE POLICIES IN REGARDS TO THIS. I AM SORRY, SENATE BILL 180, THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, I NEED CLARIFICATION. WHAT DOES -- WHAT DOES "REVISITING" MEAN? >> WELL, WE ARE USING THAT, BECAUSE I THINK -- SO SOME OF THESE POLICIES ARE INTERRELATED. AND SO IF WE MAKE ONE CHANGE IN ONE PLACE, IT MAY MEAN THAT THE OTHER POLICY GOES AWAY OR THAT THERE ARE OTHER CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED. SO I THINK WE ARE -- WE ARE SAYING THAT BECAUSE THEY NEED TO BE RELOOKED AT. THEY NEED TO BE RELOOKED AT TOGETHER WITH THE REST OF THE PLAN. WE NEED TO -- WE HAVE A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE RECORD ABOUT, I THINK, THE DIRECTION THE PUBLIC WANTED TO GO, BUT WE HAVE TO SEE HOW IT ALL FITS TOGETHER. I AM A LITTLE CAUTIOUS TO SAY EXACTLY HOW WE ARE GOING TO CHANGE EACH ONE OF THOSE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT IT IS OUT OR IN. IT IS RULE TOLY IN THE COLLOQUIAL WAY OF REVISITING. IF YOU ARE GOING TO WAY IT OUT IN A FAIR AND EQUITABLE WAY AGAIN. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. A SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK MIRANDA. COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: TO REITERATE WHAT I SAID EARLIER. MY TEST WHEN IT COMES BACK IS, I WANT TO HEAR THIS IS -- WE LISTENED TO THE PUBLIC AND HERE IS WHAT WE DID AS A RESULT. AT LEAST THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME, NOT -- WE LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC AND THEY ARE WRONG AND WE ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING ELSE. ANYWAY, I THINK YOU ALL GOT THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ALSO 1500 RESPONSES -- 1800 TOO. SO NOT JUST WHO WAS HERE TONIGHT. THEY GOT A LOT OF OTHER PUBLIC INPUT TO DIGEST. MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST A REQUEST OR SUGGESTION TO COUNCIL. WHEN THE MINUTES FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING SOMETHING RELEASED, IF YOU CAN PLEASE REVIEW THE MINUTES. BECAUSE IF THERE IS ANY DISCREPANCY OR SOMETHING, A MISCOMMUNICATION. NOT THAT WE GET IT WRONG, BUT I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT I DON'T WANT IT GO DOWN THE LINE -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BETTER WORD THAN "REVISITING?" BECAUSE I THINK SEE THAT AS A POINT OF CONTENTION. I AM NOT THE LAWYER OVER THERE. SUSAN, IT LOOKED LIKE YOU HAD A SUGGESTION. >>LYNN HURTAK: REVISIT IS APPROPRIATE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: EVERYBODY THINKS THAT IS OKAY? OKAY, I WILL GO WITH THAT. A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST A COMMENT AND NOBODY REFLECTION PERSONALLY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, BUT JUST A COMMENT. HOW YOU STATE IS HOW YOU WOULD WEIGH IT INDIVIDUALLY -- >>BILL CARLSON: I SAID EARLIER I AM ONLY ONE OF SEVEN. I SAID THAT TWICE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS TRUE. I WANT COUNCIL TO KNOW AND A DISCUSSION I MAY HAVE HAD PRIVATELY WITH SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS. UNLESS IT IS PART OF A MOTION, WHAT ONE COUNCIL MEMBERS DOES NOT INCORPORATE INTO THE MOTION UNLESS YOU DO SO FORMALLY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. WITHOUT FURTHER DISCUSSION. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. TABLE 3. A MOTION? >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM MAKING A MOTION TO HAVE STAFF -- I DON'T EVEN WANT YOU TO REVISIT IT, BUT TO CONSIDER ELIMINATING TABLE 3 AND THE IMPLICATIONS. NO, THAT WASN'T IT? >> TABLE 3 IS -- IF YOU DID THAT, IT WOULD ELIMINATE THE DENSITY LIMITS ALL TOGETHER. SO WE DON'T WANT TO ELIMINATE IT, BUT WE WANT TO -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: REVISIT IT. [LAUGHTER] >> I DO THINK THIS IS A PLACE WHERE I AM HEARING A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS. I AM HEARING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT INCREASING THE BY RIGHT DENSITY IS NOT A BAD THING PERHAPS. AND THEN I AM HEARING SOME CONCERN ABOUT DOING THAT. THAT IS WHERE THAT IS ALL ENCAPSULATED IN THAT TABLE. AND IF WE -- IF WE GO BACK TO THE WAY THAT IT IS HANDLED NOW, THE DENSITY AND THE LAND USE CATEGORIES, IT IS LIKE IT'S -- LIKE CMU, IT IS 30, AND THEY CAN DO THIS BONUS AGREEMENT TO GET TO 35. OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS TO ELIMINATE THAT AND GO DOWN TO 30 IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND GO UP TO 35 OUTSIDE OF THE COASTAL HAZARD AREA. SO, AGAIN, IT IS YOUR PLEASURE WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO DO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S FIRST ITERATION OF T THIS. >>LYNN HURTAK: WITH THE BY RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO HAVE A LONGER DISCUSSION ON THAT. I ALSO TALKED TO ERIC -- I TALKED TO ERIC FROM THE DEPARTMENT PEOPLE, AND HE IS GOING TO TALK TO SOME OTHER FOLKS. THEY HAVE DATA FROM OUR MARKET AND GOT DATA FROM OTHER MARKETS ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY COST OF HAVING THIS BONUS STRUCTURE VERSUS JUST ALLOWING BY RIGHT. IT LOOKS LIKE IT COSTS US A LOT OF MONEY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: SO IT SEEMS LIKE JUST -- >>. >> WE HEARD A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY ABOUT WANTING TO GO BACK TO THE OLD WAY OF HANDLING IT WITH THE TWO TIERED DENSITY IN TABLE 3. SO THAT IS WHY WE FLAGGED IT, BUT IT WASN'T CLEAR WHAT YOU ALL THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: I KIND OF TEND TO AGREE WITH CHAIR CLENDENIN. WE ARE ALL TIRED NOW. I TEND TO AGREE THAT -- AND IT SOUNDS LIKE COUNCILMAN CARLSON IS ALSO INTERESTED IN CONTINUING THAT BY RIGHT OR MANAGING THAT BY RIGHT AND TAKING OUT BONUS WHEN -- YEAH, SO I AM FINE WITH THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: UNTIL NEW FACTS BECOME AVAILABLE. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT DO WE WANT THEM TO DO WITH THE TABLE THEN, LEAVE IT? BECAUSE THE PUBLIC ASKED US NOT TO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SO PLANNING COMMISSION -- >>BILL CARLSON: WHY DON'T WE DO THIS -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU HAVE 1800 OTHER COMMENT TOO. YOU WEIGH OUT, HOW MUCH INTEREST WAS THIS. >>JENNIFER MALONE: JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF. BEFORE I THEN A QUESTION, IT IS A VERY GOOD QUESTION. I WANT TO REMIND COUNCIL IT HAS BEEN A WHILE. THIS WAS THE TOPIC ON JUNE 7, 2024. AND IT WAS -- WE CAME TO YOU IN SEPTEMBER OF 2024 WITH THIS COMPROMISE, BECAUSE WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR THAT FOLKS DID NOT -- DID NOT LIKE THE STRUCTURE AS WE PROPOSED IN JUNE, WHICH IS BRINGING EVERYBODY UP TO THE 35, AND THEN THE BONUS BEING A TRUE BONUS ON TOP OF -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE AWAY STUFF FOR FREE. >>JENNIFER MALONE: EXACTLY. AGAIN, THE PROPOSAL IN LU TABLE 3 IS THE COMPROMISE. NOW WE DID NOT HEAR TOO MUCH ABOUT THIS SINCE THAT COMPROMISE. IT KIND OF BUBBLED UP AGAIN THROUGH THE OUTREACH THAT WE DID THIS SUMMER. BUT UNTIL THEN, I HAD -- I THOUGHT WE WERE OPERATING IN GOOD FAITH WE HAD COMPROMISED WITH THE COMMUNITY. BUT WE WILL TAKE WHATEVER DIRECTION COUNCIL GIVES US. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: THAT ARGUMENT WAS ABOUT GIVING ADDITIONAL RIGHTS. YEAH, IF WE ARE GIVING -- AND THIS IS WHAT THEY SAID THEY WANT TO CHANGE IT BACK TO WHAT IT WAS. BUT MY ARGUMENT ABOUT BONUS DENSITY IS SEPARATE THE ARGUMENT ABOUT BONUS DENSITY, LET OTHERS IN THE SAME CATEGORY AT THE SAME LEVEL. BUT CHANGING THE ENTITLEMENT WITHIN A CATEGORY, THAT'S WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS NOT IN FAVOR OF DOING. >> IT'S SO TOUGH BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE CATEGORIES OPERATE AS A BONUS WITHIN THE CATEGORIES. SO PEOPLE HAVE TO BONUS TO GET THE MAXIMUM OUT OF THEIR CATEGORY TODAY. THAT'S WHERE THE NUANCE IS. >>BILL CARLSON: CAN WE ASK THEM TO REVISIT IT AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM AND HAVE MEETINGS WITH THE PUBLIC? >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. LET'S REVISIT TABLE 2 -- OR TABLE 3. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON. A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA TO REVISIT TABLE THREE. THAT JUST MEANS REVISIT IT. NOT NECESSARILY ANYTHING ELSE. JUST REVISIT IT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY. >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT WAS THE LAST ONE? >> TWO OTHER THINGS REAL QUICK. THE POLICY 3.3.6 ON TOWNHOMES, THERE WAS THE COMMUNITY WAS SAYING THEY WANTED TO SEE US GO BACK TO AN OLDER VERSION OF THE DRAFT THAT INCLUDED COLLECTOR ROADS, THAT THEY HAD TO HAVE ALLEYWAYS, AND THAT THERE WAS AN F.A.R. FOR IT. BUT THEN I ALSO HEARD FROM SOME OF YOU ALL MAYBE THAT THAT MAYBE GOING IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. I WASN'T CLEAR ON THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT WAS ME. I THINK AT THIS POINT THAT WE INCENTIVIZE ON TRANSIT CORRIDORS, AND THEN WE JUST STICK WITH OUR CURRENT POLICY OF TOWNHOMES, LIMITED TOWNHOMES BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WORKING. AND WE ALSO CAN -- OH, WHAT I DID WANT IS HOW DO WE THEN -- WHAT IS THE GOAL -- HOW DO WE INCENTIVIZE? HOW DO WE TAKE THAT TOWNHOME, THE LIMITED TOWNHOME IN R-10, HOW DO WE THEN RAMP UP AND INCENTIVIZE THAT IN THE AREAS, IN THE AREAS WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO PUSH MORE DENSITY? >> OKAY. WHAT I'M HEARING AS A POTENTIAL MOTION IS TO UTILIZE THE CURRENT POLICY IN THE PLAN TODAY ABOUT LIMITED TOWNHOMES IN THE R-10, BUT ALSO LOOK AT STRATEGIES TO TRY AND FOCUS AND INCENTIVIZE THAT IN CERTAIN PLACES. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE A QUESTION. DEFINE LIMITED. >> WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? THAT WASN'T CLEAR TO ME. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE OLD POLICY WAS LIMITED. THE PROBLEM WAS, HOW DO YOU DEFINE LIMITED? >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. SB 180 IS ONE OF THOSE WHERE WE CAN'T TAKE THAT POSSIBLE RIGHT AWAY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BECAUSE I THINK -- I MEAN, SOMEBODY FROM LAND USE LEGAL PERSON, IF SOMEBODY APPEALED A DECISION COUNCIL MADE, DENIED A TOWN HOUSE WITH LIMITED LANGUAGE, WITHOUT OTHER JUSTIFICATION, HOW WOULD YOU EVER WIN THAT CASE? >> JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF. THE DRAFT BEFORE YOU TONIGHT SAID PRIMARILY INTENDED TO BE LOCATED IN THESE AREAS. SO THE WAY THAT WE CRAFTED IT, BASED ON ALL THIS FEEDBACK, WAS THAT SOMEBODY COULD STILL ASK, BUT THEY ARE NOT MEETING THE CRITERIA WHERE IT'S PRIMARILY LOCATED. THAT WAS KIND OF THE COMPROMISE. I DO DEFER TO SUSAN TO ANSWER THE REST OF THE QUESTIONS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TO HAVE LEGALLY DEFENDABLE LANGUAGE. >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK YOU DO BECAUSE YOU DON'T JUST SAY, WE'VE NEVER POINTED TO THE POLICY AND SAY IT SAYS LIMITED TOWNHOMES. WE ACTUALLY POINT TO THE ACTUAL POLICY. >> WHICH THE ONE ABOUT PERIPHERY OF SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH. WE DON'T EVER CITE THAT PARTICULAR ONE. WE CITE MORE SPECIFIC POLICIES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MY POINT IS, WHY WOULD WE LEAVE IT IN THERE? >>LYNN HURTAK: BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY THERE. AND BECAUSE WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS ALLOW NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WANT THAT TO PUSH IT MORE AND IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DON'T, THEY CAN ASK, BUT THEY MAY NOT GET IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DOES THAT ACCOMPLISH THAT? >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THEM TO REVISIT -- I'M SORRY, WHAT NUMBER WAS THAT? >> 3.3.6. >>LYNN HURTAK: 3.3.6 TO SEE HOW WE CAN MAKE THAT MORE, I GUESS, MALLEABLE. HOW WE CAN TAKE THAT LIMITED TOWNHOME POLICY. BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND IN SOME PLACES THEY SEE THAT AS, OH, WE DON'T WANT TOWNHOMES THERE AT ALL. THEN I SEE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT SAY, WHY IS THAT THE ONLY PLACE WE COULD PUT TOWNHOMES OR WHY WOULD THAT -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT DO I WANT FROM BILL? I KNOW HE WANTS OUT OF HERE. >>LYNN HURTAK: REVISIT 3.3.6 AND TO TAKE OUT THE SPECIFIC TOWNHOME CORRIDORS, LEAVE IN THE LANGUAGE FOR LIMITED TOWNHOMES AND LOOK AT WAYS THAT WE CAN INCENTIVIZE TOWNHOMES IN OTHER -- IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT REALLY WANT MORE DENSITY. >> SECOND. >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT LATER ON, TOO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT CRACKS ME UP THAT IT'S R-10. THAT IS A WHOLE OTHER DISCUSSION. >>LYNN HURTAK: I AGREE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. >>BILL CARLSON: ONE QUICK COMMENT ABOUT THIS WHOLE THING. I HAD SOMEBODY CONTACT ME IN THE BREAK AND SAY, WHY DID YOU WANT TO -- ESSENTIALLY, WHY DID YOU WANT TO THROW OUT TRANSIT ON DALE MABRY? I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY TO ANYBODY WATCHING, THE IDEA OF TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS, OR WHATEVER, IS THAT WE WILL PUT THE BUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE AND DENSITY IN PLACE BEFORE TRANSIT, AND IT'S A CHICKEN AND THE EGG, AS ANY PLANNER KNOWS, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT TRANSIT WON'T GO THERE. IT ALSO DOESN'T MEAN THAT DEVELOPMENT WON'T GO THERE. WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS THAT IN AREAS WHERE PEOPLE DON'T WANT DENSITY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT IT IN BY RIGHT. WE'LL GO IN AND USE A SCALPEL AND FIGURE OUT IDEALLY TRANSIT NODES AND BUILD LITTLE POCKETS OF DENSITY AROUND IT. IF WE DON'T GET IT IN THIS EDITION, WE UPDATE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ALL THE TIME. WE'RE NOT GIVING UP ON TRANSIT. WE'RE JUST GOING TO DO IT IN A MORE LASER-TARGETED WAY. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AGAIN, I THINK PART OF THIS DISCUSSION IS WE HEAR THAT WE GET THE NUGGETS THAT WE CAN, AND INCREMENTALISM AND THEN BUILD FROM THERE. IN A PERFECT WORLD, THIS WOULD NOT BE MY FUTURE LAND USE. IT'S NOT A PERFECT WORLD, SO I'LL GET WHAT I CAN GET. >>BILL CARLSON: PEOPLE ASK WHY PLACES LIKE CHINA AND SINGAPORE, BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT HAS FULL CONTROL. THEY TEAR OUT EVERYTHING -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IS THAT WHY YOU LIKE SINGAPORE? IS THAT YOUR SUGGESTION? IS THAT HOW YOU'RE PLANNING ON BUILDING THE CITY OF TAMPA, MR. CARLSON? [ LAUGHTER ] I'M SORRY. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT ELSE? >> I DID WANT TO RECOMMEND A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS HEARING TO -- HOLD ON. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT'S MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT. >> TO A SPECIAL CALL LAND USE MEETING IN EARLY FEBRUARY. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A DATE. WE HAVE TO HAVE A DATE. >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE 4th OR 5th. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MAY I BE RECOGNIZED? ARE YOU DONE WITH YOUR SUBSTANTIVE MOTIONS AT THIS POINT? >> YES. THIS ONE IS ABOUT WHAT WE DO NEXT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WILL NOT BE HERE THE FIRST WEEK OF FEBRUARY, FYI. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY. >>BILL CARLSON: CAN'T DO IT SOONER, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? >>LYNN HURTAK: THE ISSUE IS THAT THEY NEED TO -- THEY NEED MONTHS TO WRAP THEIR HEAD AROUND LOOK AT LANGUAGE. THEY ARE DOING COMP PLANS FOR OTHER CITIES RIGHT NOW TOO. >> TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S POINT, WE NEED TIME TO REVISIT EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID, LITERALLY REVISIT ALL THE THINGS YOU TOLD US TO REVISIT. ALSO, WE HAVE THE ADDED UNCERTAINTY OF SENATE BILL 180 AND THE COMPLEXITY OF NEEDING TO KIND OF LOOK AT EVERYTHING THROUGH THAT LENS AND MAKE SURE WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU ISN'T RUNNING AFOUL OF THAT. IN ADDITION, WE HEARD FEEDBACK ABOUT TONIGHT ABOUT WANTING COUNCIL, THE SEAT FOR DISTRICT FIVE BEING FILLED, THEY ARE GOING TO BE GOING THROUGH AN ELECTION FOR THE NEXT TWO MONTHS FOR THAT SEAT PROBABLY, AND THEN WE HIT THE HOLIDAYS. SO IN TERMS OF BRINGING A DRAFT BACK AND HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO GET TO LOOK AT IT, I DON'T THINK IT'S REALISTIC FOR US TO HAVE THAT UNTIL JANUARY, AND THEN THE OTHER PART OF MY SUGGESTION WAS THAT STAFF APPEAR AND PRESENT ON THE NEXT STEPS SOMETIME AT YOUR PLEASURE AFTER THE BUDGET I GUESS. >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: LEGAL DEPARTMENT. I JUST WANT TO REMIND COUNCIL, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF ACTIVITY TONIGHT, BUT THIS IS A TRANSMITTAL HEARING THAT'S BEEN NOTICED. SO WE WOULD NEED TO CONTINUE IT TO A DATE AND TIME CERTAIN IN ORDER TO PRESERVE -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MORE COMPLICATED -- >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: CORRECT. ALSO, I WOULD ASK THAT THE MOTION RELATE TO ALL THREE AND NOT JUST THE ONE WE'VE BEEN FOCUSING ON. >>LYNN HURTAK: HOW ABOUT FEBRUARY 17? CAN WE DO TUESDAY NIGHTS? >>MARTIN SHELBY: INFORM THE COUNCIL WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE. >>THE CLERK: MARTY WAS INQUIRING IF I HAD ACCESS TO YOUR CALENDAR TO CHAMBERS. ONLY SULING AND TONYA HAVE ACCESS TO IT. I'M CHATTING WITH SULING TO SEE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS THE THING, YOU CANNOT CHANGE IT. YOU HAVE TO CONTINUE -- YOU HAVE THREE DIFFERENT ITEMS. THEY ALL HAVE A NOTICE TRAIN. THEY HAVE TO BE CONTINUED TO DATE, TIME AND LOCATION CERTAIN. >> [INAUDIBLE] >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN SHE CHECK FEBRUARY 17? IT'S A TUESDAY NIGHT. HOW IS EVERYBODY ELSE'S FEBRUARY 17? >>MARTIN SHELBY: 17, THAT FOLLOWING THURSDAY IS A REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY, FEBRUARY 17 IT IS, 5:01 P.M. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE TO CLARIFY THIS. WHEN THIS CONTINUES -- DO WE NEED TO OPEN BEFORE WE CONTINUE? >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I NEED A MOTION TO OPEN ITEM NUMBER 3 AND ITEM NUMBER 4. MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE. OPPOSED? I ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE TRANSMITTAL HEARINGS. >>LYNN HURTAK: I MOVE TO CONTINUE FILE NUMBER TA/CPA 24-04, FILE NUMBER TA/CPA 24-05, FILE NUMBER TA/CPA 24-06 TO FEBRUARY 17, 2026 AT 5:01 P.M., 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD, THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS A CONTINUED TRANSMITTAL PUBLIC HEARING. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, CONTINUED TRANSMITTAL PUBLIC HEARING -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: ON EACH OF THE ITEMS. >>LYNN HURTAK: I ASK THAT THE CLERK RENOTICE -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT WILL BE AUTOMATIC. >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, IT IS NOT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT'S NOT. THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN NOTICED TO ITS ORIGINAL TRANSMITTAL PUBLIC HEARING FROM MAY 22, 2025. WAS THAT THE FIRST TIME IT WAS ON FOR TRANSMITTAL? >> YES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: BASICALLY IN EFFECT, THE NOTICE LEGALLY -- >>LYNN HURTAK: WAS DONE IN MAY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M ASKING STAFF TO RENOTICE IT BECAUSE OF THE TIME FRAME. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IS THAT APPROPRIATE? >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHEN YOU SAY NOTICE -- >> WELL, THE NOTICE FOR THIS TYPE OF PUBLIC HEARING IS AN AD IN THE NEWSPAPER. >> JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF. USUALLY WHEN WE ASK COUNCIL TO MAKE MOTIONS ABOUT PLAN AMENDMENT HEARINGS, THERE'S LANGUAGE AT THE END THAT SAYS SOMETHING LIKE HAVE -- DIRECT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE THE CITY CLERK WITH THE FORM OF NOTICING. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. I ALSO ASK THAT CITY LEGAL PROVIDE THE CLERK WITH THE FORM OF NOTICE SO THAT WE CAN SEND ANOTHER NOTICE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: USUALLY IN FRONT OF US IN WRITTEN FORMAT. >> USUALLY IN FRONT OF ME IN WRITTEN FORMAT TOO. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY SUGGESTION, VERY GOOD DISCUSSION, NO DISCUSSION TONIGHT ON TA/CPA 24-05 OR 24-06, MAYBE IT'S BEST FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS RECORD, BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN NOW OPENED, JUST ASK IF THERE'S ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THE CONTINUANCE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO ITEMS 3 OR 4? HEARING NONE, OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. THIS IS ON THE CONTINUATIONS OF ALL THREE TRANSMITTAL HEARINGS. WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? >>MARTIN SHELBY: DID THAT STATE THE DATE? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND THE LOCATION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SHE DID. >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M SORRY IF YOU DID NOT HEAR IT. I DID SAY IT. I GOT IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ALL THOSE OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. >>LYNN HURTAK: ONE MORE THING. WE WANTED TO ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF TO COME BACK AFTER BUDGET SEASON -- WELL, I JUST TALKED THIS THROUGH WITH THEM. >>BILL CARLSON: MELISSA SAID HER LAST THING WAS WE NEED TO SCHEDULE -- >> A TIME FOR STAFF TO APPEAR AND PRESENT ABOUT THE NEXT STEPS SO THAT WE CAN -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FIND US A DATE, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK WE SHOULD DO IT -- HOW IS THE BEGINNING OF OCTOBER, OCTOBER 9? IT WILL BE THE LAST AND FINAL STAFF REPORT WE CAN HAVE ON THAT AGENDA. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU? >> I'M GETTING FEEDBACK THAT YOU MAY WANT TO HAVE DISTRICT 5 HERE FOR THAT UPDATE. >>LYNN HURTAK: WE WON'T HAVE THAT PERSON UNTIL THE END OF OCTOBER. YOU REALLY THINK SOMEONE IS GETTING 50% OF THE VOTE. THE SECOND VOTE IS OCTOBER 28. I DON'T THINK WE CAN WAIT THAT LONG JUST TO GET A TIMELINE. ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR IS A TIMELINE. >> YEAH, OCTOBER 9 IS FINE. >>LYNN HURTAK: I MOTION THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF COME AND GIVE US A TIMELINE -- THEIR PROSPECTIVE TIMELINE AND UPDATE ON THEIR PROGRESS ON OCTOBER 9. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. WE DON'T HAVE TO DO NEW BUSINESS. HEARING NO OBJECTION, I'VE GOT A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE. IS THERE A SECOND? >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU FOR THE TIME. THIS IS AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF TIME. I KNOW IT'S FRUSTRATING. HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC IS A GREAT THING. YOU REALLY LISTENED TO EVERYBODY TONIGHT, INCLUDING US. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECOND FROM MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. GOOD NIGHT, EVERYBODY.