WELCOME. I WILL CALL THIS A REGULAR BUSINESS MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER. TONIGHT IS MONDAY, FEBRUARY 2ND, 2020 SIXTH. THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE JOINING US HERE THIS EVENING. THANKS FOR EVERYBODY JOINING US ON THE LINE. APOLOGIES FOR STARTING A LITTLE BIT LATE. WE HAD A LISTENING SESSION THAT WENT VERY LONG TONIGHT AND SO WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE LATE START TONIGHT SO I APPRECIATE IT. WE WILL START AS WE ALWAYS DO IF YOU'RE ABLE IF YOU COULD PLEASE STAND REMOVE ANY HEAD COVERING AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL . ONCE AGAIN, WELCOME AND ONCE AGAIN APOLOGIES. I HATE A MEETING THAT STARTS LATE AND I'M THAT GUY AND I APOLOGIZE. THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. BUT WE JUST HAPPENED TO DO IT THIS EVENING AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. OUR FIRST ORDERF BUSINESS IS TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING. WE HAVE NOTHING UNDER OUR INTRODUCTION WE BUSINESS COUNCIL BUT WE DO UNDER OUR CONSENT BUSINESS HAVE 11 ITEMS. COUNCIL MEMBER LOWMAN HAS A CONSENT AGENDA TONIGHT UNDER ITEM FOR HEARINGS RESOLUTIONS AND ORDINANCES. WE HAVE TWO RESOLUTIONS AND THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS. ITEM 4.1 IS A RESOLUTION AWARDING THE SALE OF GENERAL OBLIGATION SALES TAX REVENUE BONDS SERIES 2026 A ITEM 4.2 IS A RESOLUTION AWARDING THE SALE OF GENERAL OBLIGATION CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BONDS SERIES 2026 B OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING OF THE EVENING IS ITEM 4.3 THAT IS REGARDING A CITY CODE AMENDMENT AND THAT'S ON COMMERCIAL VEHICLES AND RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS AND IN FOUR POINT FOR ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING ON ANOTHER CODE AMENDMENT TO THE CITY OFFICIALS HEIGHT LIMIT MAP AND TIGHT STANDARDS AND ITEM 4.5 AND OTHER CODE AMENDMENT FOR ART INCENTIVES FOR PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE NOTHING THAT'S ALL WE HAVE UNDER ITEM FIVE UNDER AND EXCUSE ME ITEM FIVE UNDER ORGANIZATIONAL BUSINESS WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THERE AND WE WILL WRAP UP AS WE ALWAYS DO WITH OUR COUNCIL POLICY AND ISSUE UPDATE AND WHEN I THINK I'D LIKE TO DO COUNCIL I KNOW THAT WE WE JUST LISTENED WE JUST HAD AN HOUR PLUS OF THE LISTENING SESSION AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS JUST PLAN ON AS WE WRAP UP THE EVENING WHEN EVERYBODY GETS A COUPLE OF MINUTES JUST KIND OF DOWNLOAD AND YOU CAN DOWNLOAD PUBLICLY WHY DON'T WE DO THAT? WE'LL JUST START ON ONE END AND COME RIGHT ON DOWN AND JUST EVERYBODY GET YOUR THOUGHTS TOGETHER. WE'LL PLAN ON IT BUT WE WILL HAVE THE SHOT CLOCK RUNNING BECAUSE YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO GET A COUPLE OF MINUTES AND WE'LL WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN MOVE IT ALONG. SO UNLESS THERE ARE ANY CHANGES OR EDITS TO THAT, I WOULD MOVE THAT AS TONIGHT'S AGENDA. THEN I HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER DALLESSANDRO TO ACCEPT TONIGHT'S AGENDA AS STATED NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO AND WE HAVE AN AGENDA AS I SAID NOTHING UNDER INTRODUCTORY SO WE GO TO CONSENT BUSINESS COUNCIL MEMBER LOWMAN WITH OUR CONSENT AGENDA TONIGHT SO MAYOR I HAVE A 3.11 THAT'S BEING HELD. ARE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT ANYBODY ELSE WOULD WANT TO HOLD? SEEING NONE. I'LL GO AHEAD MOVE 3.1 THROUGH 3.108 MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER LOW AND SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO TO ACCEPT TONIGHT'S COUNCIL CONSENT AGENDA ITEM 3.1 THROUGH 3.10 NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I. I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO AND 3.11 AND THAT WAS HELD BY MY MY COLLEAGUE MS. ROBERTSON. COUNCILMEMBER ROBERTSON. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER WOMAN I JUST WOULD LIKE TO NOTE ON HERE THAT I NEED TO ABSTAIN FROM VOTING ON ITEM 3.11. ALL RIGHT. BUT THAT BEING SAID MAYOR I'D BE HAPPY TO MAKE THE MOTION. COUNCILMEMBER WOMAN WE'RE ALL MOVE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO MAKE THE REQUIRED FINDINGS. I MOVED TO APPROVE A MAJOR REVISION TO FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS TO REDUCE PARKING REQUIREMENTS AT 81 TO 1 34TH AVENUE SOUTH TO ALLOW FOR A RETAIL TENANT SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS AND CALLED REQUIREMENTS ATTACHED TO THE STAFF REPORT. SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER CARTER TO ACCEPT ITEM 3.11 AND TONIGHT'S CONSENT AGENDA NO FOR THE COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I. I OPPOSED AND ABSTENTION SO. PASSES SIX ZERO WITH COUNCILMEMBER ROBERTSON ABSTAINING AND ITEM 3.11 COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN WELL DONE . WE WILL MOVE ON IN OUR AGENDA ITEM FOUR HEARINGS, RESOLUTIONS AND ORDINANCES ITEM 4.1 A RESOLUTION AWARDING THE SALE OF A GENERAL OBLIGATION SALES TAX REVENUE BOND SERIES 2026 A CEO LAURIE ECONOMY SHOULDER IS HERE TO JOIN US THIS EVENING. CFO EXCUSE ME. I GAVE YOU A PROMOTION THERE, DIDN'T I? YES. TEMPORARY FEW SECONDS AND PRIANKA IS GOING TO BE PULLING UP THE SLIDE DECK HOPEFULLY YOU THINK SHE CAN I COME? YES IT IS. SO THESE BONDS MAYOR AND COUNCIL ARE FOR THE NINE MILE CREEK CORRIDOR PROJECT AND THIS IS THE FINAL BOND SALE FOR $155 MILLION OF SALES TAX. SO ALL OF THE SALES TAX BONDS ARE ISSUED AND WILL RECEIVE THE PROCEEDS FROM THIS IN APPROXIMATELY 30 DAYS ON MARCH 3RD. AND SO WITH THAT WE HAVE THE COUNCIL AUTHORIZED THE BONDS FOR THIS PROJECT ON DECEMBER 8TH WE HAD THE CREDIT RATING CALL AND YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION ON THE CREDIT RATING IN THE PACKET AND THEN WE SOLD TODAY AND THEN THE PROCEEDS OR WE COULD COME IN AND ON OUR TIMELINES WE HAD TO ASK BAKER TILLY TO UPDATE OUR INFORMATION ON THOSE THAT HAVE THREE TRIPLE ACE. TWO MORE CITIES WERE ADDED SO NOW IT IS 36 MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENTS OUT OF 19,000 THAT HAVE THE THREE TRIPOLI'S SO WE'VE HAD THREE TRIPLE IS SINCE 2004 SO SOME HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE CREDIT RATING REPORT THE CITY HAS STRONG AND STABLE FINANCIAL PERFORMANCE AVAILABLE RESERVES AND ROBUST AND PRUDENT APPROACH TO FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT AND THAT FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT ENCOMPASSES ALL OF THE CITY AND THE COUNCIL ACTIONS ON WHERE THEY LOOK AT ACTIVITIES FOR US THIS IS JUST SOME INFORMATION ON OUR SALES TAX. YOU WILL SEE THAT THE FIRST PERIOD OF APRIL OF 2024 IS THE VERY FIRST COLUMN THAT IS OUR LEAST AMOUNT AND THAT WAS JUST OVER $1 MILLION. AND SO SO LONG AS WE CAN CONTINUE TO TO STAY I WOULD SAY RIGHT IN THAT MILLION ONE OR ABOVE WE SHOULD NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE DEBT SERVICE OVER THE 20 YEAR PERIOD FOR THESE BONDS AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO ACCUMULATE ENOUGH RESERVES TO CALL THESE A COUPLE OF YEARS AHEAD. INFORMATION ON THE BOND SALE THAT WENT OUT IN THE PUBLIC WITH BAKER TILLY AND BOTH ELIZABETH BERGMAN AND FROM BAKER TILLY AND JULIE EDINGTON FROM Q TECH ROCK ARE ON THE CALL SHOULD YOU NEED OR HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM? WE HAD ANTICIPATED PREMIUM ON THE BONDS SO WE WOULDN'T NEED TO ISSUE THE FULL 20 MILLION AND SO WHAT WE WENT OUT IN THE MARKET THIS MORNING THAT IS 19,000,007 IT'S A 20 YEAR TERM THE SALES TAX ARE GOING TO PAY THE DEBT SERVICE ON THESE BONDS. THE FINAL AMOUNT WAS 80,265,000 BECAUSE WE RECEIVED OVER 1,000,008 IN PREMIUM VERSUS WHAT WE HAD ANTICIPATED. SO WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE THE PREMIUM OFF THE BONDS AMOUNT. SO WE HAVE A SMALLER AMOUNT OUTSTANDING. WE ALSO HAD A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF INTEREST IN OUR BONDS THIS MORNING. WE HAD 16 BIDDERS. WE HAVE NOT SEEN THIS BEFORE AND ON BOTH OF THESE ISSUES WE HAD 16 BIDDERS. AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION ON HOW TIGHT THE SALES WERE, THE WINNING BID FOR RBC WAS AT AT 3.883 THE NEXT BIDDER 3.889.006 AND IT'S THE SAME DIFFERENTIAL EITHER ONE. SO WE HAD A LOT OF INTEREST, A LOT OF SHARPENED PENS THIS MORNING. SO THE TRUE INTEREST COST ON THIS IS A 3.38 AND THE PROJECT WILL RECEIVE THE $20 MILLION AND BEFORE YOU IS THE MOTION THANK YOU. IT'S EXCITING TO HEAR THE INTEREST IN IN THAT TYPE OF SALE AND I THINK IT SPEAKS VOLUMES TO THE WORK THE BLOOMING IS DOING AND THE REPUTATION THAT BLOOMINGTON TAKES INTO THE MARKET WHEN THIS HAPPENS. SO IT'S GOOD TO HEAR CONCERNING QUESTIONS OF MR. SCHULER MEMBER DOUGLAS HOFFMAN THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. CONGRATS. THAT'S GREAT. YES, YOU MUST I HAVE TO SAY THEY PROBABLY DO LIKE A LITTLE DANCE RIGHT. I HOPE THAT YOU GUYS LIKE GET EXCITED ABOUT IT LIKE WE DO WHEN WE GET TO SEE THE STUFF THE THE I MEAN OBVIOUSLY RIGHT ON THE DOVETAILS OF THE BIG CONVERSATION WE JUST HAD AS A COMMUNITY I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU ALL BUT I AM ANTICIPATING THAT WE WILL SEE SOME KIND OF TAX RECEIPT IMPACT ASSOCIATED WITH WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. WHAT WHAT IS OUR MARGIN IN TERMS I KNOW YOU MENTIONED 1.1 MILLION ISH ALONG THE WAY AND WE PROBABLY COULD MAYBE RETIRE THAT DEBT A LITTLE EARLY. WHAT KIND OF WHAT KIND OF SYSTEMS DO WE HAVE IN PLACE TO TO TO WELL, I GUESS WHAT KIND OF WIGGLE ROOM DO WE HAVE AGAINST THAT 20 YEARS ON TAX RECEIPTS IF THEY DON'T COME COME IN AS WE ARE ANTICIPATING RIGHT NOW? >> I WOULD SAY RIGHT NOW OUR DEBT SERVICE WE HAVE A LEVEL OF DEBT SERVICE THAT WAS ANTICIPATED AT 2.5 MILLION A YEAR SO LONG AS WE'RE RECEIVING THAT MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR PRETTY MUCH THE MILLION 41 EVERY SINGLE PERIOD WE SHOULD BE JUST FINE. SO ANYTHING ABOVE THAT IS GOING TO BE ACCUMULATED IT WILL EARN INTEREST AND IT WILL BE ABLE TO PAY THE DEBT OFF FASTER. GREAT. THAT'S HELPFUL. THANKS. AND THE QUESTION COUNCILMEMBER LOGAN, JUST A REAL QUICK QUESTION ON THE MOTION HERE. I KNOW SOME DIFFERENCES BETWEEN WHAT WE'VE GOT PRINTED HERE IN THIS MOTION AND WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN HERE. I SEE THAT IN THE ORIGINAL BEFORE THE AGGREGATE IS IS IS MISSING ON THIS ONE ON THE SCREEN HERE AND THEN FIXING THEIR FORM. DOES THAT MATTER AT ALL? WHAT I WOULD WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THE MOTION THAT'S IN THE PACKET THAT YOU HAVE ON THE SHEET IN FRONT OF YOU AS OPPOSED TO ON THE SCREEN IN FRONT OF YOU AND IT'S WRITTEN IN THERE OR IT SHOULD BE WRITTEN IN THERE. IT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF US. THE 18,265,000 IS THE TOTAL THAT WOULD BE FILLING IN THAT SPACE RIGHT? YEAH THAT MAKES TOTAL SENSE. AND JUST JUST THERE'S A LITTLE DIFFERENCE THERE. COME TO UP ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COUNSEL IF NOT COUNCIL I WILL LOOK FOR ACTION ON ITEM 4.1 AND DISMEMBERED ALEXANDER THE MOTION MR. MAYOR OKAY. I MOVE TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE OF GENERAL GENERAL OBLIGATION SALES TAX REVENUE BOND SERIES 2026 A IN THE ORIGINAL AGGREGATE PRINCIPAL AMOUNT OF 18,265,000 FIXING THEIR FORM AND SPECIFICATIONS AND PROVIDING FOR THE EXECUTION AND DELIVERY THEREOF AND SECURITY THERE FOR THE SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS TO AUTHORIZE THE ISSUANCE OF GENERAL OBLIGATION SALES TAX REVENUE BOND SERIES 2026 AS SPECIFIED NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO WELL DONE AND WE WILL MOVE RIGHT INTO ITEM 4.2. THIS IS A SECOND RESOLUTION. THIS IS A RESOLUTION AWARDING THE SALE OF GENERAL OBLIGATION CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BOND SERIES 2026 BE FINANCIAL THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL THIS IS FOR THE FLEET GARAGE AND THIS IS ACTUALLY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE FLEET GARAGE. LAST FALL YOU ISSUED A SMALLER AMOUNT OF JUST OVER $3 MILLION FOR THE LAND PURCHASE AND COUNCIL MAYBE RECALL BACK IN 2003 IS WHEN YOU PURCHASED THAT LAND AND I'LL JUST MAKE A COMMENT THAT THIS ITEM HAS BEEN IN THE CIP FOR WELL OVER TEN YEARS FOR A FLEET GARAGE. SO IT'S KIND OF COMING INTO FRUITION BUT IT TOOK A TIME AND AND TOOK THE ABILITY OF COUNCIL TO LET US COME WITH THIS FORWARD AND HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DEBT LEVY FOR THESE TYPE OF PROJECTS. SO I'M THANKFUL FOR THAT TYPE OF ACTIVITY. AGAIN, THE COUNCIL AUTHORIZED THE BONDS BACK IN NOVEMBER WE NEEDED BECAUSE IT'S A COPY BOND. IT NEEDED A 30 DAY REVERSE REFERENDUM PERIOD SO THAT WENT THROUGH. WE HAD THE CREDIT RATING CALL THE BOND SALE TODAY AND THEN THE PROCEEDS WILL COME IN AND AGAIN THE PROJECT IS LOOKING FOR THE 25 MILLION 705 AND IT IS OUT THERE FOR 20 YEARS AND AGAIN WE HAD 16 BIDDERS. THE NUMBER IS THE LOWEST BIDDER AND THEY REALLY SHARPENED THEIR PENCIL AND AGAIN IT WAS .0006 BETWEEN THE TWO BIDDERS. SO VERY SHARP PENCILS. A LOT OF INTEREST FOR THESE 16 BIDDERS. SO I'M VERY THANKFUL FOR THE RESULTS TODAY AND FOR THE MOTION IS BEFORE THE COUNCIL. THANK YOU. >> COUNCIL QUESTIONS COMMENTS COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO ONE OTHER QUESTION FOR YOU ON THIS ONE BECAUSE THIS IS PROPERTY TAX RELATED. SO OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE PASSED THE 2026 BUDGET AND THE CIP IN GENERAL WE HAD A NUMBER IN MIND THAT NUMBER CAME IN LOWER TODAY. HOW DOES THAT POSITIVELY IMPACT THE POTENTIAL DEBT SERVICE OBLIGATION WE WOULD HAVE FOR LET'S SAY NEXT YEAR'S TAX MAY OR WOULD IT ALL GO FORWARD LIKELY TO BE THE FALL WHATEVER THAT WHAT WAS ESTIMATED FOR 27 WILL BE REDUCED TO WHAT IS ACTUAL FOR THIS BOND SO THE WHOLE OF IT I MEAN THERE IS PROBABLY A 3 TO $4 MILLION REDUCTION SO THAT WILL BE THE ACTUAL DEBT SERVICE THAT THAT IS A CALCULATION. I CAN GET THAT AND WELL MOSTLY I WOULD MY MY QUESTION WAS MOSTLY WILL IT WILL IT LET'S SAY LET'S USE THE $3 MILLION NUMBER YOU GAVE IF IT'S A $3 MILLION ADJUSTMENT, IS THAT ALL IN ONE YEAR OR DOES THAT GET THAT DOES THAT GET PAPERED ACROSS THE TEN YEAR LIKE IT'S KIND OF ACROSS THE 20 YEAR PERIOD, THE 20 YEAR PERIOD, THE FULL 20 YEAR PERIOD? OKAY. THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS COMMENTS I THINK THE ONLY THING THE ONLY COMMENT THAT I WOULD OFFER I KNOW AS WE AS AS WE LOOK AT SOME OF OUR DEBT LOAD THERE'S THIS QUESTION AND THERE'S CONVERSATION ABOUT WANTS VERSUS NEEDS AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AND IT'S CERTAINLY A QUESTION THAT NEEDS TO COME FORWARD ANY TIME WE'RE LOOKING AT AN EXPENDITURE LIKE THIS. I THINK ANYBODY WHO TOOK THE THIS TOOK STAFF UP ON THE OFFER. I THINK IT WAS LAST FALL OR LAST SPRING CAN'T REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS TO DO THE TOUR OF OF FACILITIES AND NEED SHOWS THAT THIS IS THIS IS A NEED BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT THEY HAVE THE THE ABILITY TO SERVICE OUR LARGER TRUCKS WHICH ARE GROW OUTGROWING THE THE CURRENT GARAGE SIGNIFICANTLY JUST THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO KEEP OUR CAPITAL EQUIPMENT IN GOOD OPERATING CONDITION AND EXTENDING THE LIFE OF THOSE OF THOSE VEHICLES AND AND EQUIPMENT AND BASICALLY EVERYTHING WITH A MOTOR THAT RUNS I THINK GOES THROUGH THERE IN TERMS OF THE MAINTENANCE GARAGE. SO IT'S A LEGITIMATE QUESTION TO WONDER ABOUT THAT. BUT I DO THINK THIS QUALIFIES AS A NEED IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF OUR OUR FACILITIES HERE IN THE CITY IN MAY OR I WOULD ADD WILL PROBABLY DO ANOTHER TOUR ON THE FUTURE ITEMS THAT ARE COMING VERY GOOD THIS SUMMER. SO IT'S GOOD TO PUT EYES ON THINGS AND COUNSEL UNLESS THERE ARE FURTHER QUESTIONS OR CONVERSATION I WOULD LOOK FOR ACTION ON ITEM FOUR POINT TWO I'LL MAKE THE MOTION. MR. MAYOR. COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO I MOVE TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION ORDERING THE SALE OF GENERAL OBLIGATION CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN BOND SERIES 2026 BE IN THE ORIGINAL AGGREGATE PRINCIPAL AMOUNT OF 23,895,000 FIXING THEIR FORM AND SPECIFICATION DIRECTING THEIR EXECUTION AND DELIVERY AND PROVIDING FOR THEIR PAYMENT. >> MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER ROBERTSON TO APPROVE THE AWARD OF THE SALE OF GENERAL OBLIGATION CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BOND PLAN SERIES 2026 B AS STATED ANY FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS HEARING? NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I. I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO THANK YOU MS. ECONOMY SCHOLER WELL DONE. THANK YOU FOR THE GOOD NEWS. WE MOVE TO ITEM 4.3. THIS IS OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING OF THE EVENING. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING CITY CODE AMENDMENTS THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLES AND RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS AND WE HAVE WITH US TONIGHT DURLING NAVARRO FROM OUR PLANNING STAFF. >> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME. GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MAYOR MY NAME IS LINDA METRO AND I WILL BE PRESENTING THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLES AND RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS TONIGHT FOR THE AGENDA WE HAVE THE PROJECT OVERVIEW THE PURPOSE WHY THE GOALS THE PROJECT TIMELINE STUDY SESSIONS FEEDBACK AND CURRENT CODE AND PROPOSED CHANGES SO LIKE ASSIGNING CODE LIMITS WHAT TYPE OF MOTOR VEHICLES AND TRAILERS MAY BE PARKED OR STORE IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS? OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS THE STAFF HAS SEEN AN INCREASE IN ENFORCEMENT CASES AS VEHICLE SIZE AND DESIGNS HAVE CHANGED. MANY RESIDENTS RELY ON AND WORK VEHICLES FOR SMALL BUSINESSES, STREET WORK OR DELIVERIES AND THE CURRENT CODE CAN BE DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND OR THUS IN MUCH THE TYPE OF VEHICLES THAT RESIDENTS USE AND THESE PROJECT IS ABOUT FINDING THAT BALANCE BETWEEN FLEXIBILITY FOR RESIDENTS AND PROTECTION OF RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. FOR THIS PROJECT A STAFF CONDUCTED BOTH IN-PERSON AND ONLINE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT INCLUDING TABLING AT THE BLOOMINGTON PRIDE EVENT AND LESS THE BLOOMINGTON PAGE PLANNING STAFF MET INTERNALLY WITH ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH, PUBLIC WORKS, POLICE AND LEGAL STAFF TO ANDERSON AND ENFORCEMENT CHALLENGES AND CONCERNS. THEN AS STAFF PRESENTED THE PROJECT AS A STUDY ITEM TO BOTH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL AND BASED ON THE STUDY SESSIONS FEEDBACK STAFF DRAFTED AN ORDINANCE AND HELD TO A STAFF MEETINGS WITH THE SAME INTERNAL GROUP OF STAFF TO REVIEW THE PROPOSED CHANGES. IN ADDITION I PARTICIPATED IN A FIELD TRIP WITH ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH PROGRAM COORDINATOR TO LOOK AT COMMERCIAL VEHICLES AND TRAILERS THAT ARE BEING CURRENTLY USED BY RESIDENTS IN BLOOMINGTON AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING IN DECEMBER AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL THROUGH COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL. A STUDY SESSION STUDY SESSION SEVERAL THEMES CAME UP SUPPORT FOR GREATER, GREATER FLEXIBILITY FOR WORK RELATED BECAUSE MAINTAIN NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER AND SAFETY CLARIFY HOW ATTACHMENTS ARE MEASURE ADDRESS SAFETY NEAR DRIVEWAYS AND INTERSECTIONS AND REFLECT THE COMMUNITY INPUT. >> AS I MENTIONED EARLIER I WENT ON A FIELD TRIP WITH A MINOR MENTAL HEALTH TO LOOK AT THE MOTOR VEHICLES AND TRAILERS THAT ARE CURRENTLY CURRENTLY BEING USED BY RESIDENTS. I'M NOT ABLE TO SHARE THOSE PHOTOS FOR PRIVATE REASONS BUT I WAS ABLE TO FIND SIMILAR VEHICLES HERE AT CIVIC PLAZA AND OUR FLEET DEPARTMENT. MOST USE MOTOR VEHICLES DO NOT EXCEED 12FT IN HEIGHT AND 22FT IN LENGTH CONFIRMING THE VEHICLE SIZE RESEARCH THAT STAFF PRESENT DURING THE STUDY SESSIONS. >> UNDER THE CURRENT CODE VEHICLES ARE DIVIDED INTO TWO TYPES BASED ON SITE SIZE AND USE. SO WE HAVE TYPE ONE, TYPE TWO AND TYPE THREE THEY WANT VEHICLES ARE UP TO A FITTING HEIGHT AND 22FT IN LENGTH. TYPE TWO VEHICLES INCLUDE TAXIS LIMOUSINES AND IS NOT PLY BECAUSE THAT MEET THE SAME SIZE AS TYPE ONE AND THEN WE HAVE TYPE THREE VEHICLES THAT ARE EXCEEDING THOSE SIZE LIMITS OR ARE CLASSIFIED AS NONRESIDENTIAL AND ARE PROHIBITED. A STAFF IS PROPOSING TO REMOVE ALL TYPES AND REPLACE THEM WITH ONE CLEAR SIZE STANDER THE PROPOSED CHANGE INCREASES THE HEIGHT LIMIT TO 12FT AND KEEPS THE EXISTING 22FT IN LENGTH BASED ON COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT RESULTS RESIDENTS REPORTED ALLOWING VEHICLES SUCH AS TAXIS, CARGO BANDS, FOOD TRUCKS, BAKERS WITH ATTACHED EQUIPMENT, LIMOS AND BUSSES BY AND BY USING JUST ONE SIZE STAND THERE AN INCREASE IN THE HEIGHT LIMIT TO 12FT. THE ORDINANCE KIND OF CUMULATE MOST MOST MOTOR VEHICLES THAT ARE BEING USED BY RESIDENTS AND BETTER REFLECT THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED FOR MOTOR VEHICLES WITH ATTACH EQUIPMENT THAT PROPOSES MEASURING ONLY THE VEHICLE ITSELF DURING THE STAFF REVIEW WE FOUND THAT REGULATING ATTACHMENT WILL BE DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE AND IT WILL CREATE UNNECESSARY CHALLENGES FOR TRADESPEOPLE WHO RELIED ON WORK EQUIPMENT WORK VEHICLES, EQUIPMENT SO THE CURRENT CODE PROHIBITS TYPE THREE VEHICLES WHICH EXCEED EIGHT FEET IN HEIGHT AND 22FT IN LENGTH AND THE CODE ALSO INCLUDES A LEASE OF MORE LEAST OF MOTOR VEHICLES AND HEAVY EQUIPMENT THAT ARE CLASSIFIED AS NONRESIDENTIAL. SO STAFF IS PROPOSING TO PROHIBIT MOTOR VEHICLES OVER 12FT IN HEIGHT AND 22FT IN LENGTH AND KEEPING THE LIST OF HEAVY COMMERCIAL MACHINERY AND EQUIPMENT PROHIBITED UNLESS THE EQUIPMENT IS ACTIVELY BEING USED IN A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT IN A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. THESE PHOTOS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN REPRESENT THE TYPE OF MOTOR VEHICLES THAT WILL REMAIN PROHIBITED UNDER THE PROPOSED CHANGES AND FOR TRAILERS IN 2024 ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH HAD APPROXIMATELY 280 ENFORCEMENT CASES RELATED TO OVERSIZE MOTOR VEHICLES ON TRAILERS. OF THOSE CASES 141 WERE RELATED TO OVERSIZE TRAILERS ALONE AND THERE THE CURRENT CODE TRAILERS ARE LIMITED TO SIX FEET IN HEIGHT AND EIGHT FEET AND SIX INCHES IN LENGTH. >> AND DURING OUR FIELD TRIP A STAFF WAS ABLE TO IDENTIFY MOST COMMON TRAILERS CURRENTLY USED BY RESIDENTS WHICH ARE SHOWN SHOWN IN THE PICTURES ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN. THESE TRAILERS ARE APPROXIMATELY 6 TO 8FT IN HEIGHT AND 20FT IN LENGTH AND THIS SHOWS THAT CURRENT TRAILER SIZE LIMITS DO NOT REFLECT COMMUNITY NEEDS AND HELPS PLAN THE INCREASE IN ENFORCEMENT CASES TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, A STAFF IS PROPOSING TO INCREASE THE TRAILER SIZE TO 12FT IN HEIGHT AND 22FT IN LENGTH AND THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PROPOSED COMMERCIAL VEHICLE SIZE STANDARDS. >> SO RECREATIONAL VEHICLES ARE NOT PART OF THIS PROJECT BUT IT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS CURRENTLY ALLOWED UNDER THAT ORDINANCE. THERE ARE TWO TYPES OF RECREATIONAL VEHICLES CLASS ONE AND CLASS TWO AND IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE SIZE. WE ALSO HAVE A STORAGE OR PARKING REQUIREMENTS ON THE REAR SIDE OR FRONT YARDS DEPENDING ON THE SIZE THE THE CLASS OF RECREATIONAL VEHICLES AND THIS ALSO APPLIES TO TRAILERS FOR RECREATIONAL VEHICLES IN GENERAL RECREATIONAL VEHICLES ARE ALLOWED UP TO 40FT IN LENGTH AND YEP JUST SO WE PARK AND STORES IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. DURING OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WE HEARD THE FRUSTRATION FROM RESIDENTS WHO CANNOT PARK ON A MUCH SMALLER VEHICLE OR TRAILER. BUT THEN WE HAVE LARGER VEHICLES LIKE RECREATION RECREATIONAL VEHICLES THAT ARE ALLOWED. SO MANY OF THE COMPLAINTS RECEIVED BY OUR ENVIRONMENTAL HOLD WERE NOT ABOUT THE PRESENT THE PRESENCE OF A MOTOR VEHICLE OR TRAILER BUT ABOUT THE CURRENT CODE THAT DOESN'T REFLECT THE STANDARD SIZE THAT ARE CURRENTLY USED BY RESIDENTS TO THEY FOR THE MAXIMUM QUANTITY. THE CURRENT CODE ALLOWS YOU TO PARK OR STORE IN A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY FOR MOTOR VEHICLES PLOS ONE TRAILER PLUS TWO TRAILERS FOR RECREATIONAL VEHICLES EITHER CLASS ONE OR CLASS TWO OR YOU CAN PARK THREE MOTOR VEHICLES PLUS ONE TYPE TWO PLUS ONE TRAILER PLUS TWO TRAILERS CLASS ONE OR CLASS TWO FOR THE PROPOSED CHANGES WE ARE WE'RE PROPOSING FOR MOTOR VEHICLES PLUS TWO TRAILERS OF ANY TYPE. SO EITHER COMMERCIAL OR RECREATIONAL CLASS ONE OR CLASS 2 OR 3 MOTOR VEHICLES PLUS ONE COMMERCIAL VEHICLES AND TWO TRAILERS OF ANY TYPE. SO THE CURRENT CODE ALLOWS 3 TO 3 TRAILERS IN TOTAL THE PROPOSED CHANGING CHANGES ARE ALLOWING TWO TRAILERS OF ANY TYPE IN TOTAL UNDER THE CURRENT CO-LOCATION REQUIREMENTS APPLIES APPLY ONLY TO TRAILERS AND BASED ON SAFETY FEEDBACK. IT STAFF IS PROPOSING TO PROHIBIT COMMERCIAL VEHICLES AND TRAILERS FROM PARKING ON PUBLIC STREETS WITHIN THEIR RIGHT AWAY SIDEWALKS OR IN CLEAR BLUE TRIANGLE. SO THIS MEANS THAT COMMERCIAL VEHICLES AND TRAILERS MUST BE PARKING TO LEGAL DRIVEWAY OR A PROOF OF DRIVE PARKING AREA AND ANY PART OF THE TRAILER HITCH OR LOAD EXTENDING INTO A SIDEWALK OR BOULEVARD WILL BE IN VIOLATION. AWARENESS OF A POTENTIAL VIOLATION CAN OCCUR THROUGH A COMPLAINT FROM A PUBLIC OR THROUGH OUR PRODUCT IF ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITIES AND THEY ARE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT ALSO REQUIRES THAT AN INSTRUCTOR TYPE WORK WITH A FIVE FEET SO WE ARE MAINTAINING THE SET BY REQUIREMENTS OF AT LEAST FIVE FEET FOR FIVE FEET FROM ANY LOT LINE AND MAINTAINING A MINIMUM OF 30FT FROM ANY LAND LINE ABUTTING A STREET. SO FOR CROSS REFERENCE AND COASTAL ALIGNMENTS THE GOAL IS TO CREATE A CONSISTENT CENTER SO RESIDENTS AND ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH INSPECTORS ARE NOT TRYING TO NAVIGATE CONFLICTING RULES ACROSS DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF THE CODE. SO FOR RECREATIONAL VEHICLE ALLOWANCES WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING BROADLY. INSTEAD IN INSTEAD OF STAFF IS ALIGNING THE SIZE LIMITS TO MOTOR VEHICLES AND TRAILERS STANDARDS AND WE ARE PROPOSING TO INCREASE THE HEIGHT FROM 11FT TO 12FT AND DECREASE THE LENGTH FROM 25FT TO 22FT. PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT THESE CHANGES WOULD NOT ONLY APPLY FOR RECREATIONAL VEHICLES, PARK OR STORE IN THE FRONT OR SIDE PARTS OF BODY BOARDING A STREET RECREATIONAL VEHICLES OVER 22FT IN LENGTH AND 2020 TWO FEET INLAND AND 12FT IN HEIGHT WILL STILL BE ALLOWED TO PARK ON THE REAR OR THE SIDE NOT ABUTTING A STREET ACCORDING TO THE RECREATIONAL VEHICLE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT FOR EXTERIOR STORAGE. >> THE PROPOSED CHANGE REMOVES CONFUSION AND ALIGNS THE ORDINANCE TO HEAVY MACHINERY OR EQUIPMENT TO RESTORE WHEN THERE IS AN ACTIVE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT ON A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. >> AND WITH THAT THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I'M ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU YOU HAVE AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT WE DID RECEIVE CORRESPONDENCE FROM TWO RESIDENTS THAT ARE NOT ABLE TO PROVIDE THEIR TESTIMONY TONIGHT AND I WILL HAND THIS OVER TO YOU BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING PERIOD. THANK YOU SO MUCH. COUNCIL QUESTIONS FROM HIS MAYORAL COUNCIL COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THE ANSWER TO THIS AND MAYBE IT'S MORE OF A QUESTION TO THE CITY STAFF AS A WHOLE BUT I, I DON'T NECESSARILY I MEAN I THINK THESE ARE ALL GREAT AND THEY'RE FINE. I UNDERSTAND OF THE DESIGN THE SAME WAY THAT WE'RE ACCOMMODATING A BIGGER GARAGE WE NEED TO ACCOMMODATE BIGGER VEHICLES. THE WHOLE WORLD HAS CHANGED IN THOSE AREAS AND I GET THAT I'M JUST I'M NOT 100% SURE I UNDERSTAND HOW WE ARE. WHAT ARE THE MECHANISMS OF ENFORCEMENT THAT ARE HOW ARE THEY CHANGING TO ACCOMMODATE THIS? BECAUSE WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT AND WE'VE HEARD FROM SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS IN FACT THAT ENFORCEMENT IS REALLY HARD. I MEAN I CAN TELL YOU JUST AS A PERSONAL ANECDOTE FROM DOWN IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE HAVE SOMEBODY WHO HAS FOR TWO YEARS JUST NOT COMPLIED AND WE'RE NOT TAKING WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT LIKE TAKING THE VEHICLES AWAY LIKE WE'RE NOT IMPOUNDING THEIR VEHICLES OR DOING ANYTHING THAT LIKE IS A IN MY OPINION AN ESCALATION OF ENFORCEMENT WITH NONCOMPLIANCE. AND SO I GUESS MY QUESTION AND I DON'T AGAIN DON'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT TO TRY TO ANSWER THIS IS HOW DO WE MAKE IT? I'M NOT A FAN OF HAVING LAWS IN THE BOOK THAT CAN'T BE ENFORCED. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO ESCALATE THE ENFORCEMENT TOWARDS COMPLIANCE HERE IF THAT'S WHAT OUR GOAL IS BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE'RE JUST PUTTING ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH IN A PREDICAMENT TO HAVE TO TALK TO THE SAME PEOPLE OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN ABOUT STUFF. MM HMM. AND IT'S I DON'T KNOW IT'S KIND OF A WASTE OF EVERYBODY'S TIME AT THAT POINT AND I MEAN AGAIN I KNOW AND I DON'T YEAH, THIS PROBABLY ISN'T THE PLACE FOR THAT DISCUSSION BUT I DO THINK THAT'S A WORTHWHILE DISCUSSION BECAUSE YOU CAN CERTAINLY ENVISION THE SPOT WHERE YOUR NEIGHBOR IF THAT NEIGHBOR OVER TWO YEARS HAS BEEN FINED I BET THOSE FINES ARE LESS THAN WHAT IT WOULD COST TO STORE THOSE VEHICLES SOMEWHERE ELSE AND SO THERE'S NO INCENTIVE TO GET IT DONE. AND SO WE MIGHT WANT TO WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER THAT CONVERSATION AS WE MOVE FORWARD AS WE LOOK AT ALL OF THIS THEN YES, TAKE THAT SECONDARY LOOK AS TO HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE GIVE OUR STAFF THE TOOLS THEY NEED TO ENFORCE THIS NEW ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING? YEAH. AND I KNOW THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE FALL AND I YOU KNOW, I'M NOT A HUGE FAN OF PASSING A CHANGE TO THE ORDINANCE WITHOUT THE EFFECTIVE LIKE ENFORCEMENT FUNCTION ASSOCIATED WITH IT IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, I JUST WOULD WOULD WANT US TO DO IT AND AND MAKE SURE WE BRING THAT BACK FAIRLY QUICKLY THEN. YEAH BUT I MEAN IF WE DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS THEN I UNDERSTAND THAT I JUST IT'S A IT'S AN OPEN QUESTION IN MY MIND. YEAH. AND I DIDN'T SEE IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH RESPONSES THAT YOU KNOW WAS BROUGHT IN THE PRESENTATION OR IN THE MATERIALS THAT THERE WAS ANY POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. YEAH AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT PEOPLE HERE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. I MEAN I WOULD ASK EITHER MS. MAGISTRATE OR MR. JOHNSON IF YOU CAN SHED SOME LIGHT ON THIS I MAY REMEMBERS THERE ARE SOME PROPERTY OWNERS AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT THE ONE YOU'RE SPEAKING OF IS SPECIFICALLY THAT THAT THIS IS GOING ON. IT'S HAPPY TO DO SOME RESEARCH BUT THERE ARE SOME PROPERTY OWNERS THAT MAKE A DECISION TO PAY THE CITATIONS ON A REGULAR BASIS AND CONTINUE TO STAY IN VIOLATION. THAT IS JUST A CHOICE THAT SOME PEOPLE MAKE OR THEY DON'T PAY IT AND THEN WE BRING IT TO YOU LATER IN THE YEAR AND YOU ASSESS IT TO THE PROPERTY. I'M AFTER A PUBLIC HEARING. THE ORDINANCE DOES ALLOW OUR ORDINANCES VIOLATIONS OF CITY CODE ARE MISDEMEANORS CRIMINAL MISDEMEANORS. SO THERE ARE SOME PLACES IN THE UNITED STATES THAT CRIMINALLY PROSECUTE THAT HAS NOT BEEN WIDELY PRACTICED IN MINNESOTA FOR A WHILE BECAUSE IT ALSO DOESN'T BRING ABOUT COMPLIANCE YOU HAVE THEN YOU JUST CREATE HOMEOWNERS THAT HAVE CRIMINAL MISDEMEANOR IS ON THE RECORD. SO IT IS A VEXING CHALLENGE AND I WILL SAY RELATEDLY THAT THIS PARTICULAR MATTER THAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS ONE OF THE MOST COMMON SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES THAT COME TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING. AND SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING TO HIGHLIGHT THAT AND WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT OVER THE LAST YEAR AND WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE THIS BEFORE YOU ALL TONIGHT AS A HOPEFULLY AN OPPORTUNITY TO FIND A A MORE OF A MATCH FOR WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS NEEDING AND WANTING AND AND WHERE THE CITATIONS ARE HAPPENING AND YES, MR. MAYOR, IT DOES MAKE SENSE. I'M LIKE I SAID I'M FINDING I UNDERSTAND THAT WE NEED TO ACCOMMODATE A CHANGE IN THE POLICY BECAUSE THE MACHINES THEMSELVES HAVE BEEN ADJUSTED AND I GET THAT AND THAT WILL HELP WITH SOME OF THE COMPLIANCE ISSUES. WE'RE PROBABLY BOTHERING PEOPLE FOR COMPLIANCE THAT YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT REALLY THEIR FAULT. THAT'S JUST THE WAY THINGS ARE MADE NOW. SO I GET THAT PART OF IT. I'M JUST KIND OF CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT WAS OUR GOAL, RIGHT? >> IS OUR GOAL COMPLIANCE AND IF OUR GOAL IS COMPLIANCE THEN AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE CRIMINALIZE THIS THAT'S NOT MY POINT BUT YOU KNOW, IMPOUND THE VEHICLE LIKE I DON'T KNOW LIKE WHAT IT WOULD YOU KNOW THERE'S THE THERE'S IF WE'RE NEVER GOING TO GET TO COMPLIANCE THEN I JUST WONDER IF IF IT MATTERS THAT WE PUT THE RULES ON THE BOOKS THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO BE. WE WE INSTRUCT STAFF TO BRING THIS BACK AS A STUDY ITEM SOMETIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE TO IT TO AT LEAST LEARN MORE ABOUT IT BECAUSE YES, MAYBE THIS WILL SIMPLIFY AND CLEAR THINGS UP TO AN EXTENT THAT IT'S MORE MANAGEABLE OR TWO TO LEARN WHY THEY DON'T IMPOUND VEHICLES. I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR IT'S FAIR TO ASK THAT WE LET THIS RIDE FOR A LITTLE BIT AND THEN BRING BACK WHAT THE CURRENT SITUATION IS. I UNDERSTAND THAT PART SO THAT'S FAIR. YEAH. THANKS COUNCILMEMBER REVISE JUST A QUICK COMMENT. I THOUGHT THAT THIS THE INTENTION OF THIS POTENTIAL ORDINANCE WAS TO HELP BUSINESS OWNERS NOT TO DEAL WITH COMPLIANCE. BUT CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG I THINK I'LL THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS WAS TO HELP BUSINESS OWNERS DEAL WITH THEIR THEY HAVE EQUIPMENT THAT THEY CAN AFFORD TO BE PAYING TO STORE IT AWAY BECAUSE THEY OCCASIONALLY PARK FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS AND THEN THEY HAVE TO USE IT. SO I AS FAR AS I REMEMBER HE WASN'T ABOUT COMPLIANCE. HE WAS ABOUT HELPING BUSINESS OWNERS TO DEAL WITH AVOIDING GETTING CITATIONS IN REGARDS TO THE EQUIPMENT BEING STORED IN THEIR DRIVEWAYS AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE PRESENTATION. THAT'S WHAT THE GOAL OF THIS IS. COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO BROUGHT UP THE QUESTION AND WE'LL LOOK AT IT IN THE FUTURE IN THE FUTURE STUDY MEETING. BUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT YES. IS WHETHER OR NOT THESE THESE CHANGES DO HELP WITH I ASSIST FOLKS WHO HAVE LARGE VEHICLES OR WHOM A LARGER VEHICLES PARKED OUTSIDE THEIR HOUSE. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON THANK YOU MAYOR. TWO QUICK QUESTIONS. IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THE NUMBER OF MOTOR VEHICLES THAT PEOPLE CAN HAVE IS UNCHANGED BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S A CONTINUING PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE THAT WE HAVE FAMILIES WITH FIVE DRIVERS, SIX DRIVERS THAT HAVE CARS PARKED. YOU KNOW THERE THIS DID NOT LOOK INTO THAT ISSUE. WE JUST LEFT IT AT LEAST AS IT IS PROPOSED UNCHANGED AT THIS POINT. IS THAT ACCURATE? MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS YES, THAT IS CORRECT. WE COULDN'T REALLY LOOK INTO CHANGING THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT ARE PARK IN A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY WITH THIS PROJECT. HOWEVER, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL DESIRES TO CHANGE IN THE FUTURE YOU COULD DIRECT STAFF TO DO THAT AND WE COULD ADD IT TO A FUTURE STUDY SESSION OR IN THE THE PLANNING WORK PLAN. >> THANK YOU. THAT WAS A VERY GOOD ANSWER. MY SECOND QUESTION IS YOU REDUCE THE LENGTH OF RV IS AND THE ONLY REASON I BRING THIS UP AS A COUPLE OF MY COLLEAGUES MAY REMEMBER THAT WE HAD A COUPLE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT RV IS OVER THE COURSE OF LIKE MAYBE LIKE A MONTH OR TWO SO AND BUT THERE WAS A VERY SPECIFIC REASON WE CAME UP WITH THAT LENGTH. I REMEMBER SOMEONE HAD DONE A TON OF RESEARCH ON THIS AND CAME UP WITH THIS AND THEN WE HAD ACTUALLY SOMEBODY AFTER THAT THAT CAME IN AND SAID WELL MINE'S 24 FOOT SIX INCHES AND IT'S A STANDARD ISSUE THING. AND THEN I THINK WE DECIDED LIKE AT SOME POINT WE JUST GOT TO DRAW THE LINE HERE. SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT REDUCING THAT TO 22 GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF WORK WE DID ORIGINALLY. COUNCILMEMBER CARTER THOUGHTS ON THAT? I, I GO AND CAN WE MAYBE WE SHOULD HOLD OFF IF WE JUST ASK QUESTIONS HERE AND WE WILL HOLD THIS THIS SOUNDS LIKE DISCUSSION. >> I GUESS THE QUESTION I HAD WAS WHY DID WE CHOOSE TO GO WITH 22FT? WHY DON'T WE JUST SAY 25FT FOR MAXIMUM SIZE FOR COMMERCIAL VEHICLES SO SIMILAR. YEAH. >> MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS SO BASED ON THE RESEARCH AND THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK STUFF IS JUST RECOMMENDED 22FT FOR COMMERCIAL VEHICLES AND TRAILERS. YEAH. JUST BASED ON THE RESEARCH AND THE THE THE PHOTOS THAT I SHOW WE MEASURE THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLES THAT ARE COMMONLY MOST USED BY RESIDENTS AND THEY DO NOT EXCEED 22FT IN HEIGHT. SO IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE FOR US TO ALLOW 20 TO 25FT IN LENGTH SORRY 22FT IN LENGTH IF WE DON'T NEED IT. >> IT MADE MORE SENSE TO REDUCE THE OUR B SECTION AND I NEED THAT THAT IS JUST FOR THE FRONT AND SIDE YARDS BUT IN A STREET IN YOUR RESEARCH DID YOU ALSO MEASURE OUR VIEWS? I ASSUME NOT BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THEIR RV SO WE DID NOT OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER COMMENTS QUESTIONS HERE COUNCIL BEFORE WE GET INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION MR. JOHNSON LOOKS LIKE HE'S GOT SOMETHING TO SAY. >> HI MAYOR. IF I MAY JUST ADD A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT TO THAT AND ONE OF THE NUANCES OF OUR RV ORDINANCE IS THAT OUR RVS ON A TRAILER CONSTITUTE AN RV. SO WHEN IN FACT WHAT WE WERE EXPERIENCING IS THAT SOME RESIDENTS WHO HAD TRAILERS LARGER TRAILERS THAT DIDN'T MEET OUR STANDARDS WOULD SOMETIMES PUT A RECREATIONAL VEHICLE ON THEM SO THAT THEY IN EFFECT BECAME RECREATIONAL VEHICLES PER OUR REGATIONS. SO THERE'S A LOT OF GAMESMANSHIP OR KIND OF GOING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE VARIOUS REGULATIONS DEPENDING ON WHAT WAS ADVANTAGEOUS FOR THEM. AND SO I DEFINITELY I WAS PART OF THAT PREVIOUS GROUP THAT WORKED ON THAT WITH GLEN MARKEGARD AND I DO REMEMBER THOSE NUMBERS I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE WHAT DARRYL SAID THAT YOU'RE STILL ALLOWED TO HAVE OUR VIEWS OF THAT SIZE. THEY JUST CAN'T BE STORED MORE THAN EIGHT FEET IN FRONT OF THE DWELLING. SO IN A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL SETTINGS THERE SHOULD BE SOME OPTIONS FOR THEM. I DON'T WANT TO DISMISS THAT CONCERN BUT IN EFFECT WE HAD TO BUILD ALIGNMENT BETWEEN THE TWO POLICIES BECAUSE THE RV ORDINANCE CALLS TRAILERS OUT AS RV IS SO THE STANDARD HAS TO BE THE SAME IN EFFECT FOR IN THE FRONT YARD. SO THAT MAKES SENSE. OKAY. YEAH, SORRY. COUNCILMEMBER LIMON, COULD YOU JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MAYBE I DIDN'T READ THIS CORRECTLY SO JUST YOU KNOW, GETTING OLDER AND MY READING ISN'T AS GOOD AS IT USED TO BE THE THE TRAILER COMPONENT AND HOW IT INTERACTS, YOU KNOW, WITH THOSE THE CAR COUNT IN THE DRIVEWAY. COULD YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT ? MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE PROPOSED CHANGES AND THE NUMBER THAT IT'S RIGHT HERE ON THE SCREEN OR YEAH, BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING WAS IF YOU HAD A TRAILER YOU KNOW IF YOU HAD A TRAILER PLUS A VEHICLE THAT THAT INTERACTED SOMEHOW WITH THIS COUNTY'S VEHICLE COUNT IN YOUR DRIVEWAY AND I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT I'M CRYSTAL CLEAR IN TERMS OF HOW MY UNDERSTANDING IS HOW THAT WORKS. >> SO WE'RE PROPOSING FOUR MOTOR VEHICLES AND TWO TRAILERS OF ANY TYPE. SO IT COULD BE EITHER A COMMERCIAL TRAILER AND A RECREATIONAL TRAILER OR IT COULD BE TWO COMMERCIAL TRAILERS OR IT COULD BE TWO RECREATIONAL. SO CLASS ONE AND CLASS TWO OR IT COULD BE THREE MOTOR VEHICLES, ONE COMMERCIAL VEHICLE AND TWO TRAILERS OF ANY TYPE. AGAIN, IT COULD BE TWO COMMERCIAL TRAILERS, ONE COMMERCIAL, ONE RECREATIONAL OR TWO RECREATIONAL CLASS ONE OR CLASS TWO. DOES IT DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION OR YEAH AND JUST AND SO IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY HOW BIG YOUR YOUR YOUR DRIVEWAY IS YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO PUT ALL OF THAT ON YOUR DRIVEWAY RIGHT? >> CORRECT. BUT THE CAVEAT IS THAT TRAILERS AND COMMERCIAL VEHICLES HAVE TO BE PARKED OR STORE WITHIN A DRIVEWAY OR A LEGAL OFF DRY PARKING AREA. OKAY. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT I WAS REALLY CRYSTAL CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THAT COULD MEAN BECAUSE THAT COULD MEAN THAT COULD BE OTHER PARTS, YOU KNOW? SO THANK YOU, COUNSEL. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? COUNCILMEMBER NELSON SORRY, MARRIAGE AS QUICK AS APPRECIATE COUNCILMEMBER MALONE BROUGHT THIS UP BECAUSE I JUST KNOW SOMETHING THAT I HADN'T NOTICED BEFORE AND THAT'S ON ME. BUT THE CURRENT CODE ALLOWS FOR MORE VEHICLES ONE TRAILER AND TWO TRAILERS FOR RECREATIONAL VEHICLES AND SO THE NEW ONE IS YOU STILL GOT THE SAME VEHICLES BUT YOU CAN HAVE TWO. SO WE'RE BASICALLY MAKING IT MORE RESTRICTIVE. MAY YOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS INCREASE AND SIZE AND I APPRECIATE ALL THAT. I THINK THE BIGGEST THING FOR ME AND I'LL JUST BE HONEST WAS THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLE JUST GETTING THAT DEFINED AS A VEHICLE AND ADDING IT TO THE FOUR AND THEN AT SOME POINT MAYBE LOOKING AT THE FOUR, YOU KNOW, I WASN'T NECESSARILY LOOKING I MEAN THAT AND I'LL BE HONEST I OWN A SMALL BUSINESS MY SMALL BUSINESSES AND CONSTRUCTION IF YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIND A PLACE TO KEEP YOUR BUSINESS TRAILERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WHAT I WANTED IS THE TRADESPERSON TO BE ABLE TO DRIVE TO THEIR HOUSE. SORRY I'M NOT ASKING QUESTIONS ANYMORE. YOU KNOW ONE HOUR INTO DISCUSSION BUT I APPRECIATE THAT. WHY DON'T WE WHY DON'T WE GO TO THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN WE CAN HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AS WE GET TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING? HOW ABO THAT CAN ALL RIGHT. >> THANK YOU, MS. NAVARRO. YES, I WILL HAND THE PERFECT THANK YOU. SO WITH THAT COUNCIL THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING OF THE EVENING. IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING OUR CITY CODE AMENDMENTS COMMERCIAL VEHICLES AND RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS AT 74.3. SO ANYONE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO ITEM 4.3 THIS EVENING PLEASE COME FORWARD AS YOU COME FORWARD I'LL JUST GIVE A QUICK RUNDOWN ON OUR HOW WE HANDLE PUBLIC HEARINGS. FIRST OF ALL, IF YOU COULD IDENTIFY YOURSELF, TELL US WHO YOU ARE AND THEN SIGN IN AS WELL. WE DO HAVE A FIVE MINUTE LIMIT AND YOU'LL HAVE THE SHOT CLOCK BE ABLE TO KEEP TRACK OF YOU AND I'LL CUT YOU OFF AT THE END OF FIVE MINUTES AND WHAT WE'LL DO IF THERE ARE A SERIES OF QUESTIONS WE WON'T TRY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ON THE FLY WHAT WE'LL DO IS ANSWER THE QUESTIONS ONCE WE GET TO THE END OF THE PUBLIC HEARING OR JUST MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT CLEANER, A LITTLE EASIER TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS. SO THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS ROHMAN COSTANZO, 14 YEAR BLOOMINGTON RESIDENT TAXPAYER AND RECENTLY A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER. I'M HERE TO RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE CITY ALLOW THE STORAGE OF FOUR VEHICLES AND SOME EQUIPMENT AT MY HOME FOR EXAMPLE LIKE MY TOTAL BILL BOOM LIFT WHICH I USE FOR TREE SERVICE MY MY BUSINESS. UM RECENTLY I RECEIVED A NOTICE FROM BLOOMINGTON INSPECTOR STATING THAT THE BOOM WAS HAS TO BE MOVED OFF THE PROPERTY AND SO WHICH FORCED ME TO MOVE IT AND SORT OF MY RELATIVE'S HOUSE OVER IN BURNSVILLE TO BE CLEAR THESE WERE NOT NUISANCE COMPLAINTS. IN FACT I NEVER HAD ISSUES WITH MY NEIGHBORS OVER MY EQUIPMENT, MY NEIGHBORS ARE MY CLIENTS. I'VE DONE WORK FOR FOR MANY OF THEM AND THEY LOVE MY WORK AND WE HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP LIKE MANY SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS, MY VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT ARE ESSENTIAL TOOLS THAT ALLOW ME TO EARN A LIVING. I MAINTAIN MY EQUIPMENT AND MY PROPERTY IN GOOD ORDER. I'M NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING DISRUPTIVE, JUST A REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION TO OPERATE MY SMALL BUSINESS FROM WHERE I LIVE. SMALL BUSINESSES LIKE MINE CONTRIBUTE DIRECTLY TO LOCAL ECONOMY. I REGULARLY SPEND QUITE A BIT OF MONEY FILLING UP ALL THE GAS, ALL THE FUEL TANKS BETWEEN THE VEHICLES, EQUIPMENT QUITE A BIT OF TIRES I GO TO REPAIR SHOPS, AUTO PARTS STORES, DEALERSHIPS THOSE ARE JUST YOU KNOW, TO NAME A FEW. SO THE MONEY ARE STAYING HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY OUTSIDE STORAGE IS NOT REALLY AFFORDABLE OR PRACTICAL FOR ME IF I AM REQUIRED TO STORE MY VEHICLES ON EQUIPMENT ELSEWHERE AWAY FROM MY HOME IT WOULD ADD SOMETHING LIKE SIX SIGNIFICANT COSTS AND INCONVENIENCE AND WOULD PROBABLY FORCE ME TO RELOCATE JUST LIKE I DID WITH MY LIST TO A NEARBY CITY WHICH HAS MORE REASONABLE REGULATIONS. HONESTLY THAT'S NOT WHAT I WANT TO DO. I WANT TO STAY IN THE CITY. MY KIDS ARE IN THE SCHOOLS IN BLOOMINGTON AND SO I WANT TO LIVE HERE AND CONTINUE CONTRIBUTING TO THE TO THE COMMUNITY. SO MY GOAL IS IS TO ASK COUNCIL AND TO CONSIDER A BALANCED APPROACH THAT'S SUPPORTS HARD WORKING RESIDENTS AND SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS. THANK YOU SO MUCH AND I'M SOY I'M I'M VERY NERVOUS BECAUSE IT'S FIRST TIME I SPEAK IN ONT OF YOU GUYS. YOU DID A GREAT JOB. THANK YOU. CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION? SO BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE STAFF IS BRINGING FORWARD, WOULD THIS BENEFIT YOU IN TERMS OF YOUR SMALL BUSINESS AND PARKING AT YOUR HOME? >> SO IF WE SWITCHED TO 22FT AND I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WAS ONLY FOR A RECREATIONAL SO MY BOOM LIFT IS 22.5. WELL IF THAT COST ME OUT BY SIX INCHES YOU KNOW I'M NOT IN COMPLIANCE AGAIN AND I IF I MAY GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT KIND OF BOOM LIFT I'M TALKING ABOUT, IT'S IT'S LIKE A TRAILER. IT HAS A A FUND THAT HOOKS UP TO A HITCH TO A VEHICLE AND SO IT'S JUST LIKE A TRAILER TO WHEELS. IT'S NOT SELF-PROPELLED. IT'S NOT A BIG IT'S YOU KNOW IT'S DOESN'T LOOK BAD. AND SO I PERSONALLY DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH KEEPING A ON MY DRIVEWAY. LIKE I SAID, NEVER HAVE ISSUES WITH ANY OF MY NEIGHBORS ALL RIGHT. ANY MORE QUESTIONS THAT WILL DO IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MUCH. I HAVE TO SIGN THIS UP IF YOU COULD PLEASE JUST SO WE WE KNOW WHO IS TALKING TO US TONIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON THIS TOPIC? PRIYANKA, DO WE HAVE ANYONE ON THE PHONE WISHING TO SPEAK? MAYOR WE DO NOT HAVE ANYONE ON LINE LAST CALL FOR ANYBODY IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS COUNCIL NO ONE COMING FORWARD. NO ONE ON THE PHONE WISHING TO SPEAK TO ITEM 4.3 I LOOK FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING IN A PUBLIC SO MOVE TO ITEM 4.3 I CAN OH MOTION MY MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER LOW AND SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER CARTER. I DIDN'T HEAR HIM MAKE THE MOTION COUNCILMEMBER SO SO QUICK AND EFFICIENT. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION ON CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO SO THOUGHTS ON THIS? FIRST OF ALL I WILL SAY TO STAFF THE PICTURES WITH THE MEASUREMENTS ON CITY VEHICLES IS VERY HELPFUL. I MEAN I KNOW WHAT YOU FOLKS BUT TO YOU KNOW TO BE ABLE TO TO ENVISION IT BECAUSE I KNOW MOST OF THOSE VEHICLES FROM SEEING THEM AROUND TOWN AND SEEING THEM IN THE PARKING LOT HERE. SO THAT'S VERY HELPFUL TO TRY AND GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING . I I THINK THE THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING FOR A LONG TIME TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THAT BALANCE BETWEEN HOW TO HELP FOLKS WHO WANT TO PARK THEIR RECREATIONAL VEHICLES, FOLKS WHO WANT TO PARK THEIR THEIR WORK VEHICLES OR WHATEVER BALANCE THERE NEED WITH THE FACT THAT NEIGHBORS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS AND WE ALL KNOW THAT'S THE CASE AS WELL AND THAT'S THE FLIP SIDE OF IT AND TO TRY AND THREAD THAT NEEDLE, IT'S MORE ART THAN SCIENCE I THINK WHETHER IT'S YOU KNOW, FOUR VEHICLES IN TWO TRAILERS OR FOR VEHICLES A TRAILER AND AN HOUR, YOU KNOW, A RECREATIONAL VEHICLE, IT'S HARD TO EXACTLY DEFINE WHAT WOULD ABSOLUTELY WORK. BUT I THINK WHAT WE HAVE HEARD OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS IS THAT WHAT WE CURRENTLY DO ISN'T NECESSARILY WORKING BECAUSE WE NEED WE NEED TO MAKE CHANGES MORE. THE WORLD OF WORK HAS CHANGED IN THE WORLD OF WORK VEHICLES HAS CHANGED. SO WITH WITH THAT IN MIND I THINK THIS THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS SEEM TO MAKE SENSE AND IT SEEMS TO WITHOUT DOING A COMPLETE OVERHAUL AT LEAST MOVE THIS FORWARD AND MOVE THIS IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. IT GIVES PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT MORE OPTION. IT'S MY $0.02. COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU. I'M NOT GOING TO RESTATE WHAT YOU JUST SAID THAT YOU SAID THAT QUITE ELOQUENTLY. THE ONE THING THOUGH, MAYOR, THAT I KIND OF RUN INTO AN ISSUE HERE IS THIS YOU KNOW, THIS SEEMING REDUCTION FROM 25 DOWN TO 2022 AND I KNOW IT DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT BECAUSE I REALLY LIKE THE IDEA SO BECAUSE I CERTAINLY WHEN THE RV SIDE OF IT I WANTED TO KEEP IT ON THE LOWER END IT JUST FEELS LIKE A KIND OF A SNEAKY WAY TO KIND OF KIND OF GET THIS YOU KNOW, TO A LOWER THING WHICH I'M TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF. I TOTALLY WANT TO DO THAT BUT I JUST WITHOUT OTHER RV PEOPLE BEING HERE I'M TROUBLED BY BY DOING THAT. I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO KIND OF DO. SO THAT'S ONE THING MAYOR I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT IF I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY. YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE RV STANDARD, I THINK THIS PAST COUNCILS HAVE KIND OF MOVED IN THIS DIRECTION OF, YOU KNOW, ALLOWING MORE STORAGE, YOU KNOW YOU KNOW, IN THE YOU KNOW, WITHIN THESE ZONES AND WE CONTINUE TO KIND OF MOVE IN A DIRECTION, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK IT MAKES SENSE IN THIS SENSE OF AS WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE TO BE MORE DENSITY, MORE URBAN THAT WE KIND OF BLUR THE LINES BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND BUSINESS. AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT I THINK THAT'S AN OKAY THING IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FOR, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ATTEMPTING AND TRYING TO DO. SO YOU KNOW, WITH THAT WITH THAT ONE CAVEAT AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I RAISED EARLIER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW THAT DRIVEWAY IS GETTING USED AND MAYBE IT MAKES SENSE TO GO AHEAD WITH IT FORWARD WITH THAT AND THEN HAVE A DEEPER CONVERSATION WITH RESPECT TO HOW THE DRIVEWAY IS OPERATED AND UTILIZED. BUT I WOULD LOOK TO SEE WHAT OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS BUT YOU KNOW, I STAND TO KIND OF SUPPORT THIS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THOSE FOLKS THAT YOU KNOW, WORKING PEOPLE NEED TO WORK AND SO THIS MOVES US IN THAT DIRECTION AND I WELL, I HAVE A REAL DEEP CONCERN ABOUT ENFORCEMENT. THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE BE POSSIBLE. BUT I THINK THIS YOU KNOW, THIS IS YOU KNOW I MEAN WHAT WE'RE DOING BEFORE WHEN WORKING EITHER SO WHEN WE TRY THIS AND SEE HOW THIS WORKS SO YOU KNOW I RELUCTANTLY YOU KNOW I'M GOING TO GOING TO SUPPORT THAT WITH WITH THOSE COUPLE OF CAVEATS THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER BROUGHT UP A QUESTION IF I COULD ASK A QUICK QUESTION OF STAFF HERE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MEASUREMENTS OF THE LENGTH OF ANYTHING ESPECIALLY A TRAILER FOR EXAMPLE, IS IT JUST THE BODY OF THE TRAILER OR IS IT THE HITCH AS WELL THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE IN THE MEASUREMENT? >> MAYOR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS IT WILL BE THE HAGE AS WELL SO WE'LL BE THE WHOLE THE BODY OF THE TRAILER AND THEN ANY THE HITCH OR ANY OTHER ATTACHMENT TO IT. GOT IT. THANK YOU. THAT CLARIFIES THINGS. MM. OTHER QUESTIONS DISCUSSION COUNCIL. >> YEAH. COMMENTS. COMMENTS. QUESTIONS. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE JUST DON'T REMEMBER ANY FIVE FEET. 25FT BECAUSE I WAS JUST MENTIONING TO COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO THAT I HAVE AN NABI AND HE STOOD SIX FEET LONG NOT 22 OR 25 AND AND YOU KNOW LUCKY YOU I COULD PUT COMPLETED IN MY DRIVEWAY I NO PROBLEM IS IF IT'S IN THERE YOU WOULDN'T EVEN SEE EVEN IF THE FRONT AND THE STREET BUT BUT NOT EVERYBODY HAS THAT TYPE OF DRIVEWAY SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE KEEP IT AT 25 BECAUSE I HAPPEN TO SEE QUITE A FEW WHERE I LIVE. THERE'S QUITE A FEW BUSINESSES LIKE ROMANS THAT DO TREES AND HAVE THEIR TRAILERS OUT THERE SO THEY HAVE AN AUCTION TO PUT IT IN THEIR DRIVEWAY OR PUT IT ON THE STREET. AND WHEN I HAVE SPOKEN WITH THEM THEY TELL ME THAT THEY LEAVE IT ON THE STREETS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO PUT IT ON THE DRIVEWAY. SO I'D RATHER SEE THEM ON THE STREETS THEN I MEAN ON THE DRIVEWAYS THEY'RE ON THE STREETS AND WHEN YOU MEASURE THE TRAILER ON AVERAGE ARE 20 TO 22FT LONG PLUS THE TONGUE THAT ATTACHES TO THE TO THE PITCH RIGHT. SO YOU KNOW, 25FT IS A MORE BENEFICIAL AND I GUESS OVERALL MORE HELPFUL TO EVERYBODY. SO SO LET ME JUST CLARIFY HERE WHAT I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS RECREATIONAL VEHICLES AND WE'RE LIMITED REDUCING THAT OR THE PROPOSAL IS TO REDUCE THAT FROM 25 TO 22FT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE TYPE ONE VEHICLES OR THESE VEHICLES LIKE TAXIS, CARGO OR CARRIED VANS, FOOD TRUCKS, BOX TRUCKS THAT KIND OF THING THAT WOULD SAY A 22FT THAT WAS THAT'S IN THE CURRENT THE CURRENT ORDINANCE THE CURRENT CODE ALLOWANCE AND THAT WOULD STAY IN THE IN THE PROPOSED CODE ALLOWANCE THE HEIGHT WOULD GO UP BY FOUR FEET BUT THE LENGTH WOULD STAY AT 22FT. MY SUGGESTION IS TO GO TO 25 BECAUSE SORT OF MY I FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY'RE INCREASING THE LENGTH OF TRAILERS AND THEN YOU ADD THE TONGUE THAT ATTACHES TO THE HITCH THEN BECOME THREE ON AVERAGE THOSE THINGS ARE THREE FEET LONG SO IT ADDS FROM 22 TO 25FT AUTOMATICALLY IN MOST CASES. SO AND THE WAY THE WAY IT'S PROPOSED NOW CURRENTLY IT'S 8.6FT IS ONLY 8.5FT AND WE'RE PROPOSED TO MOVE THAT LENGTH UP TO 22FT. AND YOU'RE SAYING YOU WANT TO MOVE THE LENGTH OF THE TRAILER UP TO 22FT. ARE YOU SAYING THAT AS WELL FOR THE THE FOR ALL VEHICLES FOR ALL VEHICLES UP TO 25 AS WELL AS AN RV IS UP TO 25FT? >> YES. JUST AS A COUNCILMEMBER NELSON SUGGESTED THAT INSTEAD OF CALLING THEM TRAILERS AND AND OTHER THINGS JUST FOR VEHICLES AND THEY CAN BE ANYTHING ALL GONE AS LONG AS THEY STAY WITHIN THE TIME SIZE FRAME THAT HAVE BEEN STIPULATED BY THE ORDINANCE AND AND TO THE END TO THE TO THE BENEFIT THAT THE STAFF BROUGHT UP KEEPING THEM ALL AT 22FT MADE IT EASIER FOR FOR ENFORCEMENT AND FOR AND FOR UNDERSTANDING TO PUT THAT AS A CONSISTENT 25FT ARGUABLY MIGHT DO THE SAME THING SO THANK YOU OKAY. MR. JOHNSON HAS A COMMENT ON THAT. I THINK. >> THANK YOU MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS, IF YOU WANTED TO ALIGN THE TWO FACTORS, THE MOST IMPORTANT IS THE RV LENGTH AND THE TRAILER LENGTH BECAUSE IN EFFECT AN RV ON A TRAILER IS CONSIDERED AN RV AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE WERE EXPERIENCING SOME RESIDENTS WOULD SAY WELL NO, THIS IS A RECREATIONAL VEHICLE TRAILER, NOT A COMMERCIAL TRAILER AND THEY WOULD PLAY A GAME BACK AND FORTH. AND SO IF YOU WANT TO INCREASE IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE LENGTH OF THE RV IN FRONT OF THE FRONT PLANE OF THE DWELLING, WHAT YOU NEED TO ALIGN IS THE TRAILER LENGTH AND THE RV LENGTH THAT THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLE CAN REMAIN THE WAY IT IS. THAT'S NOT CONFUSED BETWEEN THE TWO THINGS AND SO HOPEFULLY THAT MAKES THAT CLEAR. IF THAT WERE AN AMENDMENT YOU DID WANT TO MAKE WE COULD CALL OUT THE CITATIONS TO THAT ORDINANCE NUMBER. I'M SURE THE CITY ATTORNEY WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. SO AGAIN, JUST TO SUMMARIZE WHAT MR. JOHNSON JUST SAID, THE VEHICLE LENGTH COULD STAY AT 22 BECAUSE THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. HOWEVER, THE TRAILER AND THEN THE RV LENGTH TO COINCIDE THEM AT 25FT WOULD MAKE THINGS EASIER FOR EVERYONE WITH THAT WIND AND ALL RIGHT. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COMMENTS? I'M SORRY. COMMENTS. WE'RE READY FOR COMMENTS. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S GREAT. I WILL GO ON RECORD ONCE AGAIN SAYING THAT BETWEEN APRIL 1ST AND NOVEMBER 1ST I DON'T THINK THERE SHOULD BE RESTRICTIONS ON RVS AT ALL. I DON'T THINK THERE SHOULD BE RESTRICTIONS ON PEOPLE'S BOATS. I DON'T THINK ANYTHING WE ARE AN OUTDOOR PEOPLE AND I FEEL I THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY NOT OKAY THAT RECREATIONAL VEHICLES WHAT IS THIS AT THIS THIS KIND OF EMBEDDED DISCRIMINATION WHEN YOU HAVE A QUARTER MILE DRIVEWAY ON THE WEST SIDE AND YOU GOT A 30 FOOT DRIVEWAY ON THE EAST SIDE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN I'M A PROBLEM ON THE EAST SIDE BUT THEY COULD HAVE IT THERE ALL DAY AND NOBODY WOULD CARE AND IT JUST BUGS THE OUT OF ME ESPECIALLY DURING TIMES NOW I'M NOT SEEING STORMS VEHICLE ON THE PROPERTY BUT BETWEEN APRIL 1ST AND NOVEMBER 1ST OR APRIL 1ST AND OCTOBER 1ST PICK AN ARBITRARY DATE. I JUST DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE BOTHERING PEOPLE WHILE THEY'RE OUT THERE ENJOYING THEIR OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES SO ALL THAT HAVING BEEN SAID, I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR 25FT BECAUSE I WANT IT TO BE LONGER THAN THAT. THANK YOU. AS IT IS IN OTHER COMMENTS COUNCIL SHIFT. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON GOOD. THANK YOU MAYOR. I TEND TO AGREE WITH REGARDS TO THE RV'S WITH REGARDS TO COMMERCIAL. ATTACHMENTS, TRAILERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A STICKY WICKET BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE THE TIME FRAME OF THE SUMMER. IT IS A BUSINESS THING. BUSINESSES ARE UNLESS THERE'S A SOLE PROPRIETORSHIP, A SEPARATE ENTITY FROM THE OWNER AND YOU KNOW SHOULD BE ABLE TO COVER THE COSTS OF THAT BUSINESS. WITH THAT SAID, I'M PERFECTLY FINE WITH THE 25FT ON THAT AND AND I SAY ALL OF THAT HONESTLY BECAUSE MY FAMILY GREW UP IN CONSTRUCTION. I HAD A TRAILER IN MY DRIVEWAY IN BURNSVILLE WITH WORK TRUCKS . I TELL YOU THE WORK TRUCKS WERE A LOT SMALLER THAN I'VE ACTUALLY TRIED TO FIND A WORK TRUCK OF THE TYPE THAT WE USED TO GET AND YOU CAN'T I MEAN LIKE IT I GOT TO LIKE GET A LADDER TO GET INTO MY DAD'S TRUCK. LIKE IT'S RIDICULOUS HOW BIG TRUCKS ARE. THEY'RE STUPID BIG AND THEY MAKE NO SENSE IN MY MIND IN TERMS OF AS A PERSON WHO OWNS A RESIDENTIAL REMODELING COMPANY THEY MAKE NO SENSE TO ME THE WAY THAT THEY DEVELOP NOW. SO I JUST I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TOO MANY. I DON'T WANT IT TO BE SUCH THAT THE BUSINESSES ARE LIKE WITH A BUNCH OF TRAILERS AND FULLY OPERATED OUT OF THAT LOCATION. BUT I MEAN I THINK SOMEONE DRIVING THEIR WORK VEHICLE HOME AT NIGHT WHETHER THEY BE THE OWNER, WHETHER THEY BE THE EMPLOYEE WE TALKED ABOUT HERO AND THE GOOD FOLKS THAT WORK OVER THERE GOOD BLOOMINGTON COMPANY AND YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THEIR PEOPLE I THINK MOST OF THEM TAKE THEIR VEHICLE HOME AND THAT SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM THAT THAT PART THAT PART'S FINE 25FT IF IT'S THE SAME SIZE IF YOU CAN PARK YOUR TRAILER OR YOUR RV OR YOUR BIG TRUCK. BUT I MEAN THAT'S FINE TO ME. SO I THINK THE 25 IS FINE. I DO TEND TO AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO WITH REGARDS TO THE RV AND THE RECREATIONAL STUFF DURING THE SUMMER WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO USE IT, YOU KNOW WITH OBVIOUS CAVEATS OF THE THE SIDEWALK AND THE SIDE YARD AND ALL THAT STUFF. BUT I REALLY, REALLY DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN THAT PATH AGAIN. SO SO I'LL SUPPORT THE 25FT AND JUST SAY THAT I THINK WE SHOULD BE SMALL BUSINESS FRIENDLY. I THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE WORKER FRIENDLY AND I THINK THAT MOVES US IN THAT DIRECTION. ALL RIGHT. SO I CAN'T SAY I AM HEARING AGREEMENT THAT WE LIKE THIS. WE LIKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE CAVEAT THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THE MAXIMUM LENGTH OF A STANDING BY AS I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER ALL OF A TRAILER IN AN RV FROM 22 TO 25FT IN THE PROPOSAL. IS THAT IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? ALL RIGHT. WOULD ANYONE MR. JOHNSON SOMETHING JUST MAYOR THANK YOU FOR THE CLARITY OF THE PUBLIC RECORD. I THINK THIS IS ON PAGE 119 AND 120 OF YOUR PACKET AND THE SPECIFIC CITATIONS THAT WOULD BE CHANGED IN THE RV SECTION WOULD BE 21.3 OR 1.13 LITTLE C TO BIG C LITTLE B.B. BIG B.B. YOU'D BE CHANGING RECREATIONAL VEHICLES INCLUDING ANY TRAILERS MUST NOT EXCEED 25FT. CURRENTLY THE ORDINANCE PROPOSES TO STRIKE THAT AND MAKE IT 22 AND THEN FOR VEHICLE AND TRAILER PARKING SECTION ON PAGE 120 THE CITATION NUMBER IS 21.3 OR 1.20 LITTLE C ONE BIG B THAT'S MOVING AGAIN THE TRAILER FROM FROM 22FT TO 25FT IN LENGTH. SO JUST FOR THE RECORD, I'M IMPRESSED. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. EXACTLY. THANK YOU. SO WELL DONE. WELL DONE AND I'LL PROVIDE IT TO THE COUNCIL SECRETARY. OKAY. SO COUNCIL WITH THAT UNDERSTANDING WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE . NOW I WOULD LOOK FOR A MOTION AS SUCH SO OH MY GOSH I'LL MOVE UP A BIT. >> COUNCILMEMBER CARTER FIGHTING DOWN THERE. LET'S DO IT. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE UPDATING COMMERCIAL MOTOR MOTOR VEHICLE AND TRAILER STANDARDS ON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY THEREBY AMENDING CHAPTER 21 OF THE CITY CODE AND THEN WITH THE CHANGES TO THE TRAILER AND RV FROM 22 TO 25FT. THERE YOU GO. THAT'S THE MOTION. SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER. SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER DALLAS DALLESSANDRO TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE UPDATING COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE AND TRAILER STANDARDS ON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, THEREBY AMENDING CHAPTER 21 OF THE CITY CODE AND INCLUDING THE CHANGE TO MOVE TRAILERS AND RVS FROM 22 TO 25FT IN THE RECOMMENDATION IN LENGTH. EXCUSE ME. YES. EVERYBODY CLEAR ON THAT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND NOW WE NEED SOME REPUBLICATION COUNCILMEMBER RECORDER. I MOVE TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING SUMMARY PUBLICATION OF THE ADOPTED ORDINANCE THEREBY AMENDING CHAPTER 21 OF THE CITY CODE. MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER CARTER SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO FOR SUMMARY PUBLICATION AND ITEM 4.3 NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. AGAIN THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANKS FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD AND THANKS FOR CLEANING THIS UP A LITTLE BIT. I THINK IT'S BEEN SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON. OUR SECOND PUBLIC HEARING OF THE EVENING ITEM 4.4 THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ALSO FOR A CITY CODE AMENDMENT. THIS REGARDING THE CITY'S OFFICIAL HEIGHT LIMITS MAP AND HEIGHT STANDARDS. MR. RIMMER OLSON IS WITH US THIS EVENING. GOOD EVENING. WELCOME. GOOD EVENING TO ALL RIGHT I TRUST. OH, THERE WE GO. OKAY. VERY GOOD. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I ASSURE YOU MY SCREEN OKAY. YES. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING EXAMINING AMENDMENTS PROPOSED BY STAFF TO THE OFFICIAL HIGH LIMITS MAP AND CHAPTER 21 HEIGHT STANDARDS. IN SUMMARY, THOSE ARE CHANGES TO THE UNIT MEASUREMENT FOR FOR HOW WE FOR HOW WE MEASURE HEIGHT WHAT SORT OF ELEMENTS OF BUILDINGS ARE EXEMPTED FROM CONTRIBUTING TO BUILDING HEIGHT. AND LOOKING AT SOME OF THE STEP STANDARDS FOR MULTISTORY BUILDINGS ADJACENT TO PROTECTED RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY IS THAT LAST BULLET IS NEW TO YOU ALL. THIS WAS NOT BROUGHT UP ORIGINALLY IN THE STUDY SESSION BACK IN LATE OCTOBER. I THINK THAT WAS WHEN WE HAD OUR STUDY SESSION. I'LL GO THROUGH IT AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE KEPT ABREAST OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AND THEN YEAH, THAT LAST BULLET FOR WE'RE PROPOSING CHANGES TO THE HEIGHT LINEAR MAP AND WE'LL GET TO THAT IN JUST A MOMENT. THE REGULATORY BACKGROUND BEGAN IN 2010. THERE WERE A VARIETY OF STANDARDS ADOPTED BACK THEN TO CONTROL THE HEIGHT OF BUILDINGS ESPECIALLY WITH RESPECT TO PROTECTED RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AND PEDESTRIAN STREETS. AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO THE MAPS BASED MAP BASED HEIGHT REGULATION THAT WAS ALSO NOVEL TO THE CITY AND THAT WAS ALSO ADOPTED BACK IN 2010. AS I MENTIONED OH SORRY THAT WAS THE PC MEETING THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING THAT WAS ON THE LATE OCTOBER. WE MET WE HAD OUR STUDY SESSION IN THE MIDDLE OF NOVEMBER BUT FROM THAT NOVEMBER MEETING YOU AFFIRMED ALL THE THE RECOMMENDATIONS PROPOSED BY PLANNING COMMISSION THAT WERE VOICED IN THAT OCTOBER MEETING. SO LET'S FIRST START WITH THE HEIGHT LIMITS MAP LOOKING AT WHAT CURRENTLY IS OR IS CURRENTLY IN PLACE AND REGULATING BUILDING HEIGHTS. YOU'LL SEE IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER THOSE ARE ALL THE CATEGORIES THE HEIGHT LIMIT CATEGORIES FOR STRUCTURES IN THE CITY. AND YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THERE THERE THEY'RE PRESENTED AS BOTH STORIES AND FEET. WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS GETTING RID OF THE STORIES AND JUST KEEPING THE FEET. SO SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. WE ALSO WE'RE CONSULTING THE LAND USE PLAN IN THE MOST RECENT AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THE 2014 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS WE WERE DEVELOPING OUR AMENDMENTS FROM THAT WE EXTRACTED MEDIUM HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL OR FOR THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE GUIDED MEDIUM AND HIGH DENSITY. AND WE'RE APPLYING A CERTAIN LOGIC RULE TO THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE GUIDED MEDIUM AND HIGH DENSITY. WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE THE DISTRICT PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED SINCE 2010. THERE'S QUITE A FEW OF THEM IN ARMIDALE LAKE DISTRICT PLAN AMERICAN. WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE CORRIDOR PLANS FOR LYNDALE AVENUE AND THE STATION AREA AT 98TH. SO WE CONSULTED ALL THESE AS WERE COMING UP WITH THE AMENDMENTS TO THE HEIGHT LIMITS MAP NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AREAS WERE ALSO EXAMINED TO SEE HOW THOSE COULD BE ADJUSTED TO EFFECTUATE THE VISION OF THOSE COMMERCIAL NODES. AND THIS IS MORE OF A DETAILED LOOK AT EACH LOOKING AT THE LAND USE OF THE COMMERCIAL NODES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PRIOR TO THE NOVEMBER MEETING. WE WERE IN CONTACT WITH MINNESOTA MASONIC HOMES. THEY ARE LOOKING TO EXPAND THEIR PROPERTY. AND THEIR PROPOSAL WAS TO TO HAVE THAT THAT EXPANSION BE HAVE A HEIGHT LIMIT OF 65FT. THAT WASN'T ORIGINALLY PROPOSED AS WE BROUGHT FORTH THE AMEND OR OUR PROPOSAL FOR THE THE AMENDED HEIGHT LIMITS MAP. SO THIS IS KIND OF HOW WE CAME TO THE NEW HEIGHT LIMIT FOR IT. IT WAS AT I BELIEVE 40FT OR I'M SORRY 50FT AND NOW WE'RE PROPOSING THE HEIGHT LIMIT TO BE 60FT. SO JUST THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE THAT'S THE CHAIN OF LOGIC THAT WE FOLLOWED AS WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT PROPERTY SPECIFICALLY . AND SO WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID, THIS IS THE PROPOSED HIGH LIMIT MAP. AGAIN, COMPARED TO THE THE CURRENT MAP THERE'S A LOT MORE PROPERTIES THAT ARE PROPOSED. YOU HAVE A HIGHER HEIGHT LIMIT AND YOU'LL SEE A LOT MORE PROPERTIES. THOSE ARE MAINLY GUIDED MEDIUM OR HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL FOR THOSE THAT ARE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL SO THEY WERE GIVEN A MINIMUM HEIGHT LIMIT. I KNOW IT'S REALLY WEIRD TO SAY THAT BUT A MINIMUM HEIGHT LIMIT OF 50FT AND THOSE THAT ARE HIGH DENSITY WERE GIVEN A MINIMUM HEIGHT LIMIT OF 60FT. THEY COULD BE TALLER BASED ON CONTEXT. BUT WE WANTED THEM TO HAVE THAT MINIMUM HEIGHT LIMIT THAT I JUST EXPLAINED. AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THERE ARE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE TO CHAPTER 21 THOSE HEIGHT STANDARDS AGAIN WHEREAS I MENTIONED BEFORE BUILDING STORIES ARE BEING REMOVED AS A UNIT OF MEASUREMENT AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO RELY ON THE MEASUREMENT IN FEET SINCE THAT'S THE MORE OPERATIVE MEASUREMENT. WE'RE PROPOSING THAT ROOF MOUNTED EQUIPMENT AND STILL ANY STAIR AN ELEVATOR CORE IS BE EXEMPTED FROM THE HEIGHT LIMITS EXCEPT FOR SHADOW CASTING STANDARDS. THOSE WILL BE STILL SUBJECT TO THOSE STANDARDS AND SO THIS IS WHAT'S NEW FROM WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY DISCUSSED BACK IN NOVEMBER IS THAT THE STEP BACK STANDARDS FOR MULTISTORY BUILDINGS ARE WILL BE ENFORCED WITH RESPECT TO LOW DENSE THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE GUIDED LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL . CURRENTLY THOSE STANDARDS ARE ENFORCED AGAINST PROTECTED RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES BUT WITHIN THAT BASKET OF PROPERTIES THAT INCLUDES MEDIUM DENSITY AND HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. THOSE ARE THE PROPERTIES WHERE WE WANT TALLER BUILDINGS. HOWEVER IF WE'RE WE'RE PROBABLY KNEECAPPING THEM BY INCLUDING THAT IN THE STANDARDS WHERE THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN A CERTAIN HEIGHT LIMIT THAT WOULD BE A DEPARTURE FROM THE PROPOSED HEIGHT LIMIT THAT WE THAT WE'VE ALREADY PREPARED SO THAT WE'RE MODIFYING THE LANGUAGE SO THAT IT'S NOT PROTECTED RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY BUT IT'S THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE GUIDED LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. SO IF THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE I'M HAPPY TO EXPLAIN FURTHER. SO THERE WAS A PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER 18TH LAST YEAR AND PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF STAFF'S ORDINANCE AND THE PROPOSED MAP ON A 3 TO 1 BASIS OR A31 VOTE. AND SORRY FOR THE STUFFY TECHNICAL LANGUAGE YOU'LL YOU KNOW YOU CAN MODIFY IT HOWEVER YOU WANT BUT THIS IS THE RECOMMENDATION LANGUAGE FOR THE ORDINANCE AND THEN THIS IS THE RECOMMENDED LENGTH RECOMMENDED LANGUAGE FOR THE SUMMARY PUBLICATION. AND WITH THAT I CAN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU MUCH FOR THE INFORMATION. COUNCIL QUESTIONS COUNCILMEMBER NELSON. YEAH, THANKS MAYOR. THREE QUICK QUESTIONS HERE. ALL KIND OF RELATED. THE STEP BACK STANDARDS THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, DOES THAT APPLY IF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL OR IF THE PROPERTY ITSELF IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL? MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER THAT'S IF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. OKAY. SO I THINK I HAVE A YEP. THERE WE GO. SO THIS IS HOW IT'S CURRENTLY REGULATED. SO THE STRUCTURE HEIGHT AS IT'S CURRENTLY STATED IN 21 30110 SUBSECTION F STRUCTURE HEIGHT MUST NOT EXCEED THE HORIZONTAL DISTANCE OR SEPARATION BETWEEN THE STRUCTURE AND THE PROTECTED RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE. SO THAT'S AGAIN LIKE THE PROTECTED RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES CAN INCLUDE MEDIUM AND HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS JUST FOR THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE PROPOSED TO REMAIN LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND AS STATED IN THE LAND USE PLAN. THE SECOND PART OF THAT QUESTION IS SO AND THIS IS A GREAT PICTURE BECAUSE IT ASSUMES THE GROUND IS FLAT BUT THE EARTH IS NOT FLAT. AND SO WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE'S A BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES IN TERMS OF THE HEIGHT? IS THERE ANY TYPE OF ADJUSTMENT FOR THAT? SO IF THERE WAS SAY A LARGE AND BANK MANSE NEXT TO A PROPERTY AND THEN YOU PUT 60FT ON TOP OF THAT, HOW DOES THAT WORK? MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER I THINK IN THOSE INSTANCES THAT'S WHERE THE SHADOW STANDARDS WOULD BE OPERATIVE. WE DO HAVE SHOWER STANDARDS THAT WOULD CONTROL FOR THAT GRADE DIFFERENCE. SO AGAIN, IF IT'S A TALLER BUILDING ON A HIGHER ELEVATED GROUND, WELL IT'S GOING TO BE PASSING LONGER SHADOWS AND IT'LL HAVE TO THE DESIGN OF THAT BUILDING WILL HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AND BE MODIFIED SO THAT IT DOESN'T THOSE SHADOWS DON'T TRESPASS ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. OKAY. THAT ADDRESSES MY THIRD QUESTION. SO THANK YOU. OKAY. BECAUSE REMEMBER WOMAN I'LL JUST PICK UP RIGHT WHERE THAT BECAUSE I HAD A MEASUREMENT QUESTION TOO. I'M ON PAGE 215 AND IT TALKS ABOUT THAT THAT LER LOWER MEASUREMENT. I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT I'M CRYSTAL CLEAR IN TERMS OF THE MEASUREMENT PART OF IT GOING DOWN NOT GOING UP. SO IF YEAH SO IF IF YOU SO IS THE SAY SEE IN HERE IT SAYS THAT THE HIGHEST POINT NO NO NO WHERE AM I IN THE EVENT THAT THE GRADE HAS BEEN OR PROPOSED. NO NO NO I'M IN THE WRONG SPOT HERE OR ANYWAYS YOU KNOW BETTER THAN I DO. THERE'S WHAT I'M WANTING TO UNDERSTAND IS HOW LOW CAN IT GO IS MY UNDERSTANDING I MEAN IS IT IS THE ELEVATION OF THE MEASUREMENT IS THE ELEVATION OF THE IS IT HOW IT NATIVELY IS IN TERMS OF THE ELEVATION OF THE LAND OR CAN I DIG OUT I MEAN I KNOW IT'S A HUGE EXPENSE TO DO THIS BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS IF A PERSON WERE TO DIG DOWN DEEPER, WHERE DOES THAT MEASUREMENT BEGIN? MAY OR MAY OR COUNCILMEMBER I THINK THAT'S GETTING TO OTHER STANDARDS ABOUT GRADE INFILL. OKAY. YEAH BUT THOSE ARE EVEN ARE HANDLED THROUGH A DIFFERENT A DIFFERENT THAT YOU KNOW YEAH OKAY YES YEAH WELL I'M GOING TO AND I DON'T HAVE EVERYTHING MEMORIZED I APOLOGIZE JUST SAY IT'S GOOD I'M SORRY. THANK YOU, MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN, EFFECTIVELY THE WAY THE MEASUREMENT STANDARDS WORK IS THAT IT MEASURED IT AT THAT POINT. SO WHATEVER THE GRADE IS AT THAT SAY IT'S THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING THE GRADE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING MIGHT BE SLIGHT OR THE ELEVATION MIGHT BE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING. RIGHT. WELL EAST OVER HERE. WEST OVER HERE. AND SO YOU'RE MEASURING THE HEIGHT AT THAT POINT INDEPENDENT OF EACH OTHER. IT'S NOT MEASURING FROM THE LOWEST POINT OF THE BUILDING TO THE VERY TALLEST POINT IN THE BUILDING. IT'S MEASURING IT AT THAT POINT IF THAT MAKES SENSE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ADDRESSES YOUR QUESTION. TOTALLY MAKES SENSE. I'M JUST WONDERING ABOUT THE IF I GRADE IT OUT AND THAT KIND OF THING. YOU KNOW WHAT? WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT LATER. WE DON'T NEED TO. I GOT ANOTHER QUESTION HERE AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER. THAT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. THANK YOU. AND WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE A LESSON HERE IN THAT. BUT MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION IS AND I'M ASSUMING I JUST PROBABLY JUST MISSED IT HERE YOU KNOW, GIVEN THESE STANDARD CHANGES IN THE IN THE INCREASE OF THE ELEVATION OF CAN OUR OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT SUPPORT THESE THESE CHANGES THAT ARE THEY'RE BEING MADE AND I KIND OF LOOK AT THE CITY MANAGER FOR THAT SORRY I NORMALLY WOULD ASK THIS OVERNIGHT BUT I ENDED UP GETTING UP SUPER EARLY THIS MORNING. MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER YEAH THE FIRE MARSHAL WAS CONSULTED AT THE OUTSET OF THIS PROJECT AND THERE THEIR FEEDBACK WAS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE GOT FROM BUILDING AND INSPECTIONS WAS THAT BUILDING CODE IS PREEMPTIVE SO THEY'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THE BUILDING CODE FIRST. SO FOR INSTANCE CERTAIN BUILDING USES MIGHT REQUIRE A SHORT SHORTER BUILDING HEIGHT AND THAT'S IRRESPECTIVE OF WHAT THE THE LAND USE GUIDANCE IS OR WHAT THE ZONING STANDARDS ARE. SO THEY MIGHT NOT EVEN BE ABLE TO GO TO THEIR MAXIMUM HEIGHT JUST BECAUSE THE BUILDING USE AND THAT'S RELATED TO BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND FIRE IS THE SAME WAYS THAT WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW WHAT THE BUILDING AND FIRE CODE ARE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS COUNSEL ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE WHY DON'T WE HEAD TO THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW? THANK YOU. MR.. ALSO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 4.4 TONIGHT REGARDING CITY CODE AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY'S OFFICIAL HATE LIMITS MAP AND HEIGHT STANDARD TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF ANYONE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS WISHES TO SPEAK TO ITEM 4.4 TONIGHT. PERIODICALLY WE HAVE ANYONE ON THE PHONE MAYOR WE DO NOT HAVE ANYONE ON LINE. LAST CHANCE FOR ANYBODY IN THE CHAMBERS COUNCIL. NO ONE COMING FORWARD TO SPEAK. NO ONE ON THE PHONE WISHING TO MAKE A COMMENT. I LOOK FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 4.4 SECOND MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER RIVAS, SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER CARTER TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT AND 4.4 NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING SO THOUGHTS ON THIS COUNCIL THIS SEEMS TO BE PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND IT'S BASED ON WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT EARLIER COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO YEAH. JUST A QUICK QUESTION IS THERE THERE'S NOTHING IMMINENT IN FRONT OF PLANNING RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD BE POSITIVELY IMPACTED BY THIS AT THE MOMENT. IS THERE I SHOULD HAVE ASKED THAT EARLIER BUT IT WASN'T RELEVANT TO THE SPECIFICS OF THE ORDINANCE, JUST SOMETHING I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT. MAYOR COUNCILOR DALE SANDRO THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION THAT'S TRACKING THROUGH RIGHT NOW. I WAS AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION LAST MONTH OR EARLIER THIS MONTH I SHOULD SAY THAT AS WE'RE SEEKING FLEXIBILITY TO THE STEP BACK STANDARDS SO IF THIS ORDINANCE IS ADOPTED THEY WOULD NO LONGER NEED TO SEEK THAT FLEXIBILITY THROUGH THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE. OKAY. THANKS. YOU I'LL SOMEONE ELSE ONE QUESTION AT THE WILSON JEWELERS SITE AT 9950 LYNDALE AVENUE IT'S AN APPLICATION BY REAL ESTATE EQUITIES FOR A 180 UNIT FOUR STORY APARTMENT BUILDING IS COMING DUE ON FEBRUARY. THANK YOU COUNSEL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS COUNCIL MEMBER LOWMAN THERE IF THERE ISN'T ANY OTHER ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS I'M HAPPY TO MOVE IT WITH I JUST HAD ONE LITTLE COMMENT AS I WAS READING THROUGH THIS I WAS THINKING OF THE MOVIE UP WHERE MY FAVORITE MOVIES TO WATCH WITH MY KIDS SO AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN WITH THIS THIS ORDINANCE. THEY'RE NOT SAYING THAT AT ALL . BUT I JUST AS I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT SO I GET YOU TO LAUGH WITH THAT ONE. ALL RIGHT. I'M HAPPY TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE STANDARD REGULATE REGULATING STRUCTURED HEIGHT AMENDING RESIDENTIAL SETBACK STANDARDS AND AMENDING THE OFFICIAL HEIGHT LIMIT MAP THEREBY AMENDING CHAPTER 21 OF THE CITY CODE SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN, SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER ROBERTSON TO FOR IT TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE STANDARDS REGULATING STRUCTURE HEIGHT AMENDING RESIDENTIAL SETBACK STANDARDS AND AMENDING THE OFFICIAL HEIGHT LIMIT MAP QUESTIONS. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON YEAH. JUST A QUICK COMMENT AND I'LL BE VERY QUICK. I'LL SUPPORT THIS BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY WE DON'T JUST GET RID OF THIS. WE DIDN'T HAVE IT UNTIL 2010. SEEMS LIKE WE'RE GOVERNED BY BUILDING CODE ALREADY IN TERMS OF THE HEIGHTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WHY DON'T WE JUST LEAVE THIS TO THE BUILDING CODE AND NOT MAKE IT MORE COMPLICATED THAN NECESSARY? AND OVERALL I THINK IT'S A GOOD MOVE THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GOING WITH IT. BUT I YOU KNOW JUST IN GENERAL FOR SIMPLICITY FOR DEVELOPERS AND FOR OUR COMMUNITY, I'M NOT SEEING THE BENEFIT OF THESE HIGH STANDARDS. SO THAT'S MY COMMENT. THANK YOU. I THINK THE GENERAL RULE OF THUMB COUNCIL MEMBER AND YOU KNOW THIS WHETHER IT'S CODE OR ZONING IT'S TO PREVENT IT'S TO PROTECT VALUE. IT'S PRETTY IT DOESN'T MEAN IT COULDN'T BE REDEVELOPED IN A DIFFERENT WAY. YEAH WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE TABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ITEM 4.4 AS STATED NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS IF NOT ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN SUMMARY PUBLICATION PLEASE. YEAH HAPPY TO DO THAT. I'LL MOVE A MOTION AUTHORIZING SUMMARY PUBLICATION OF THE ADOPTED ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 21 OF THE CITY CODE. SECOND MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER LOWE AND SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER ROBERTSON FOR SUMMARY PUBLICATION ON ITEM 4.4 NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED THE MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. HANDLER OLSEN THANKS FOR THAT . WELL MOVE ON TO OUR FINAL PUBLIC HEARING OF THE NIGHT. AGAIN, A CITY CODE AMENDMENT. THIS IS REGARDING ART INCENTIVES FOR PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT AND WE HAVE SPARKLERS WITH US THIS EVENING. GOOD EVENING. WELCOME. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. YES. SO I HAVE BEFORE YOU AN ITEM ABOUT INCENTIVES AND FOR ARTS AND DEVELOPMENT SO A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND THE BLOOMINGTON CITYWIDE CREATIVE PLACEMAKING PLAN WAS ADOPTED BY YOU ALL IN MARCH OF 2025 AND ONE RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME OUT OF THAT WAS TO LOOK FOR WAYS IN THE ZONING CODE THAT WE COULD ENCOURAGE PUBLIC ART ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO WE VISITED PLANNING COMMISSION CREATIVE PLACEMAKING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL AND THEN WE KIND OF MADE SOME EDITS TO THE PROPOSED CODE BASED ON WHAT YOU ALL SAID. SO TIMELINE WITH REGARDS TO THIS SO THIS DID COME BEFORE YOU AS A STUDY SESSION IN SEPTEMBER BUT IT WAS ORIGINALLY A PART OF MISCELLANEOUS ISSUES AND THEN WE ENDED UP POINTED OUT BECAUSE IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED NOT COMPLICATED BUT LONGER THAN WHAT A TYPICAL MISCELLANEOUS ISSUE ORDINANCE WOULD BE. SO I'M JUST GOING TO JUMP RIGHT IN. THERE ARE SIX PROPOSED CODE CHANGES. THE FIRST ONE IS TO ADD A DEFINITION FOR ART STRUCTURE. THERE'S CURRENTLY NO DEFINITION FOR ART IN THE ZONING CODE OTHER THAN MURAL. THIS PROPOSED CODE CHANGE WOULD CREATE THE FOUNDATION FOR THE REST OF THE CHANGES AND TO BE ABLE TO ADD INCENTIVES. THE SECOND PROPOSED CODE CHANGE IS TO ALLOW ART STRUCTURES TO ENCROACH INTO REQUIRED SETBACKS IN RESIDENTIAL AND NONRESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS AND RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT STAFF PROPOSES REQUIRING A MINIMUM OF A TEN FOOT SETBACK IN THE FRONT AND FIVE FOOT FOR SIDE AND REAR YARDS FOR STRUCTURES THAT ARE 15FT OR LESS IN HEIGHT AND THEN FOR NONRESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS STAFF PROPOSES MINIMUM FRONT FRONT SETBACK AGAIN OF TEN FEET AND MINIMUM REAR AND SIDE SETBACKS OF FIVE FEET FOR ART STRUCTURES LESS THAN 30FT IN HEIGHT. AND THEN JUST FOR REFERENCE THE GOLDFINCH ON THE SCREEN IS AROUND 30FT AND THE CONVERGENCE SCULPTURE WHICH WAS ON THE WEST SIDE IS ABOUT 18FT. THE THIRD PROPOSED CODE CHANGE IS TO ALLOW MURALS TO ACT AS A SUBSTITUTE TO THE REQUIREMENTS FOR WINDOWS IN MIXED USE DISTRICTS SO REQUIREMENTS AND MIXED USE DISTRICTS ARE THAT BUILDINGS MUST CONSIST OF WINDOWS ON THE GROUND LEVEL OF THE FACADE BETWEEN 2 AND 10FT. THERE ARE SEVERAL EXCEPTIONS EXISTING FOR THIS ALREADY INCLUDING EMBELLISHMENT OF THE FACADE OR INSTALLATION OF DISPLAY BOXES STAFF IS PROPOSING ALLOWING MURALS TO BE ADDED TO THIS LIST OF EXCEPTIONS SUBJECT TO REVIEW FOR SIZE AND SCALE REQUIREMENTS. >> CODE CHANGE NUMBER FOUR IS ALLOWING ART STRUCTURES TO ACT AS A SUBSTITUTION FOR UP TO 25% OF SRGB REQUIREMENTS ORIGINALLY STAFF WAS PROPOSING HAVING A REDUCTION FOR TREES AND SHRUBS BUT BASED ON THE FEEDBACK WE GOT WE REMOVED THE POSSIBILITY OF REDUCING THE NUMBER OF TREES SO EXISTING EXCEPTIONS FOR LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS INCLUDE FEE IN LIEU OF PLANTING AND OTHER REDUCTIONS FOR MIXED USE DISTRICTS. STAFF PROPOSES INCLUDING ART STRUCTURES TO THIS LIST OF EXCEPTIONS AGAIN WITH THE REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF THE ISSUING AUTHORITY. THE FIFTH RECOMMENDATION AND WAS ADDED AFTER WE GOT FEEDBACK FROM PLANNING COMMISSIONERS AND YOU ALL ABOUT NOT WANTING A REDUCTION OF TREES SO STAFF LOOKED AT A PARKING REDUCTION AND ITS PLACE THE PROPOSED PARKING REDUCTION WOULD BE UP TO 10% OR TEN PARKING SPACES WHICHEVER IS LESS OF OFF STREET PARKING STALLS WHEN AN ART STRUCTURE OF SUFFICIENT SCALE AND ORIENTATION IS INSTALLED AS DETERMINED BY THE PLANNING MANAGER. ADDITIONALLY THIS WOULD HAVE TO MEET SAFETY AND MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS AND THE LAST PROPOSED CODE CHANGE IS TO ALLOW STRUCTURES IN LANDSCAPING YARDS. SO THIS IS KIND OF SIMILAR TO THE FOUR OR TO THE SECOND ONE WHICH WAS ABOUT PERMITTED ENCROACHMENTS. BUT IN ADDITION TO PERMITTED ENCROACHMENTS OF STRUCTURE SETBACKS, STAFF IS PROPOSING TO CLARIFY THAT ART STRUCTURES BE ALLOWED IN THE REQUIRED 20 FOOT LANDSCAPING YARD EXISTING ALLOWANCES INCLUDE RAIN GARDENS, SIDEWALKS AND BUS SHELTERS. SO WITH THA I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AND I HAVE THE RECOMMENDATION UP AS WELL. THANK YOU. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE HEARD THE THE SPECIFICATION OF LANDSCAPING YARD IS THAT LIKE SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN HOUR OR IS THAT OR SOMETHING DIFFERENT MAYOR THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. SO THIS IS TYPICALLY AN COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS IT'S LIKE A A REQUIREMENT OF A 20 FOOT LANDSCAPING YARD. YEAH, IT'S JUST KIND OF A REQUIREMENT WE HAVE IN CODE AND SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LANDSCAPING WE'RE JUST TALKING GREEN SPACE AND COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, THAT KIND OF STUFF NOW I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. >> QUESTIONS COUNCIL COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO IT'S GOING TO SEEM LIKE A TRIVIAL QUESTION AND I DON'T MEAN TO SPLIT HAIRS HERE BUT I LITERALLY WHY DO WE SPECIFICALLY SPECIFY THREE DIMENSIONAL? I'M ONLY SAYING THAT BECAUSE SOME OF THE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU COULD SEE THERE LIKE TECHNICALLY SPEAKING LIKE A CURTAIN OR YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY USING LIKE A A CANVAS WOULD WOULD WOULD TECHNICALLY BE TWO DIMENSIONAL IT DEPENDING ON UNLESS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IF IT'S LONG AS IT'S MORE THAN A MILLIMETER THICK THEN IT'S YOU KNOW X BY Y BY THIS RIGHT. I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS WHY WE SAY THREE DIMENSIONAL STRUCTURE AND AND NOT JUST A FREESTANDING STRUCTURE. MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO, THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. I THINK THAT WE DID THAT REALLY TO HAVE THE SPECIFICATION BETWEEN LIKE A MURAL AND AN ART STRUCTURE WHICH WOULD BE THREE D WHEREAS A MURAL WHICH WE HAVE A DEFINITION FOR ALREADY IN THE CODE IS OBVIOUSLY LIKE ON A WALL. I DON'T THINK THERE'S A TON OF LIKE I DON'T THINK ANYONE WOULD FIGHT YOU EXACTLY ON WHY THAT'S IN THERE BUT I THINK THAT'S JUST KIND OF HOW LIKE A SCULPTURE WOULD BE DESCRIBED. OKAY UNDERSTOOD. YEAH. IF I PUT UP A IF I PUT UP A ONE INCH THICK PIECE OF CONCRETE AND THEN I DRAW ON IT, IS IT A MURAL OR IS IT A STRUCTURE? THAT'S IT OR IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE WE HAVE BOTH NOW MAYBE THE WAY THEY LOOK AT IT THAT'S WHY I WANT TO ASK THE QUESTION . MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I WOULD HAVE TO READ THE MURAL DEFINITION. I'M GUESSING THAT HAS TO DO WITH BEING ON AN ACTUAL WALL. SO THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE WHY SURE. AND AGAIN I'M TALKING ABOUT INCH TWO INCH LIKE I GET IT. I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT IN INADVERTENTLY CREATING A PROBLEM FOR OURSELVES BY HAVING THIS ARBITRARY THREE DIMENSIONAL STRUCTURE UNLESS WE ALL AGREE THAT AS LONG AS IT'S NOT LITERALLY PAPER THIN IT COUNTS AS THREE DIMENSIONS. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. THANKS. I WOULD AGREE WITH YOUR FINAL STATEMENT THERE. COUNCIL MEMBER WHEN OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF COUNSEL IF NOT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE WILL OPEN OUR FINAL PUBLIC HEARING OF THE EVENING. THIS IS ITEM 4.5 PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING CITY CODE AMENDMENT FOR OUR ART INCENTIVES FOR PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS WISHING TO SPEAK TO ITEM 4.5 THIS EVENING? PRIYANKA ANYONE ON THE PHONE? >> MAYOR WE DO NOT HAVE ANYONE ON LINE. LAST CHANCE FOR ANYBODY IN THE CHAMBERS. COUNCIL NOBODY COMING FORWARD. NO ONE ON THE PHONE. I WOULD LOOK FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 4.5 SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS. SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER ROBERTSON TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 4.5 NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO SO OTHER THOUGHTS ON THIS ARE COUNCIL I THINK PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD I THINK SPECIFYING A THREE DIMENSIONAL HOWEVER GREAT THAT THIRD DIMENSION IS PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA AND IT KIND OF SETS IT APART AND I LIKE THE FACT THAT WE CONTINUE TO TO MAKE ART MORE ACCESSIBLE AND GIVE MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR IT. I'VE YOU'VE ALL HEARD ME SAY BEFORE GREAT CITIES HAVE GREAT ART AND TO GIVE MORE OPPORTUNITIES AND MORE OPTIONS FOR FOLKS TO TO INCLUDE OR INSTALL ART WITHIN THEIR DEVELOPMENT I THINK IS JUST A GREAT IDEA PERSONALLY OTHERS. >> COUNCILMEMBER ROBERTSON YEAH, JUST TO ECHO THAT COMMENT MAYOR I THINK THIS IS GREAT AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THE NEW ART THAT'S GOING TO BE INSTALLED IN BLOOMINGTON. >> COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN YOU KNOW I'VE MADE MANY STATEMENTS ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST BUT I THINK I WOULD JUST SUM IT ALL UP THIS WAY THE CREATIVE ENTERPRISE OF INNOVATION IS IT IS IMPORTANT FOR A SENSE OF PLACE IN BLOOMINGTON BUT THE ENFORCEMENT OF FREE SPEECH IN THE FUTURE SCARES ME IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. AND SO WHILE I OF THE FORMER IS A REASON WHY I'LL SUPPORT THIS, THERE'S A CAUTION IN ME IN TERMS OF THAT LATTER STATEMENT. I UNDERSTAND AND OTHER COMMENTS COUNCIL I WOULD LOOK FOR ACTION ON ITEM 4.5 THIS EVENING. COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO HAPPY TO MAKE THE MOTION. I'LL MOVE TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE ESTABLISHING A DEFINITION OF ART STRUCTURE ALLOWING ART STRUCTURES TO ENCROACH INTO SETBACKS IN RESIDENTIAL AND NONRESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS, ALLOWING FOR A LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENT REDUCTION FOR INSTALLATION OF ART STRUCTURES, PROVIDING A PARKING REQUIREMENT, INCENTIVE FOR INSTALLATION OF ART STRUCTURES AND ADDING MURALS AS AN EXCEPTION TO THE WINDOW REQUIREMENT IN MIXED USE DISTRICTS THEREBY AMENDING CHAPTER 21 OF THE CITY CODE. SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER ROBERTSON TO ACCEPT ITEM 4.5 AS STATED ANY FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION IN THIS HEARING? NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU KNOW MR. CHAIR OH NOW WE HAVE SOME REPUBLICATION THING. OH YES. THANK YOU. I MOVE TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING SUMMARY PUBLICATION OF THE ADOPTED ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 21 OF THE CITY CODE. >> SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER DELLA SANDRO SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER ROBERTSON FOR SUMMARY PUBLICATION OF ITEM 4.5 NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO NOW THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT CONCLUDES OUR BUSINESS THIS EVENING COUNCIL I WILL MOVE ON TO OUR ORGANIZATIONAL BUSINESS OF OUR COUNCIL POLICY AND ISSUES UPDATES. AS I MENTIONED WHEN WE STARTED OUT WHAT I THINK I'D LIKE TO DO WE'VE FOR THOSE OF YOU JUST TUNING IN WE HAD A A BUSY LISTENING SESSION THIS WEEK. WE HAD I THINK WE WERE THERE FOR AN HOUR AND 15 MINUTES AND I THINK WE HEARD 25 OR 26 PEOPLE SPEAK AND IT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO TO TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. AND I THOUGHT WE GOT SOME GOOD PERSPECTIVES, A LOT OF GOOD COMMENTS FOR FOLKS. THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY WHO DID SPEAK. THANK YOU TO THE FOLKS WHO ARE IN THE CHAMBERS. THANK YOU TO THE FOLKS WHO WERE IN THE OVERFLOW ROOM. THANK YOU TO THE FOLKS WHO WERE WATCHING ON LINE I THINK WE WERE NORTH OF A COUPLE 100 ALMOST 300 PEOPLE WHO WERE INVOLVED IN THAT WAY. SO OBVIOUSLY THIS IS SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT TO THIS COMMUNITY AND WHAT I THOUGHT WE COULD DO COUNCIL IS WE TOOK IN A LOT. WE'VE HAD YOU KNOW WE'VE BEEN SITTING HERE A WHILE NOW AND IT'S BEEN PERCOLATING I THINK FOR EVERYBODY. BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS JUST KIND OF MAKE OUR WAY DOWN TO THE DAIS AND JUST IF YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE OF MINUTES YOUR THOUGHTS IF YOU WANT TO DO A YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF A A BRAIN DUMP AND THINK ABOUT WHAT ELSE WE SHOULD CONSIDER, HOW ELSE WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD, I WOULD ASK YOU I MEAN WE COULD AS WE HAVE THE LAST FEW TIMES WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS WE COULD SIT HERE FOR A LONG WHILE TALKING ABOUT THIS BUT MAYBE IF YOU COULD JUST INCLUDE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT WHERE WHAT THE NEXT STEPS MIGHT BE AND YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION TONIGHT AND WE DON'T NEED TO WE DON'T NEED TO HASH THIS OUT AND STAY UNTIL MIDNIGHT TONIGHT. BUT I WOULD LIKE EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK. SO WHY DON'T WE START ON THE FIRE IN COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO AND JUST WORK OUR WAY THIS WAY? >> OKAY SO MY GETTING FIVE MINUTES THREE MINUTES, 2.5 MINUTES WHAT AM I GETTING THERE HAHA OKAY SO THANK YOU. YES THANKS YOU EVERYBODY THAT SHOWED UP. HERE'S SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I HEARD. THE OVERWHELMING THEME THAT I HEARD TONIGHT WAS DO SOMETHING. THE HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION CAME AND ASKED US TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT KNOW YOUR RIGHTS DOCUMENTATION WELL ESTABLISHED FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO GET TO. I HEARD ABOUT PROVIDING MENTAL HEALTH RESOURCES. I HEARD PLEASE DON'T SHARE ANY DATA WITH ICE. I DON'T THINK WE DO THAT. WE SOME FOLKS ASK FOR ASSISTANCE WITH UTILITY BILLS . WE ASKED TO CONSIDER NOT RENEWING LIQUOR LICENSES FOR HOTELS THAT ARE HARBORING ICE BAND STAGING ON PUBLIC PROPERTY LIKE PARKS AND THEY REFERENCE THE STUFF THAT RICHFIELD HAS DONE RECENTLY I HEARD A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR APD BUT ALSO CALLS FOR THEM TO BE DIFFERENTIATING THEMSELVES IN OUR COMMUNITY. THE QUOTE I FEEL SAFEST IF BPD IS ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN KEEPING US SAFE. RIGHT? I ALSO HEARD YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY ASKED IF BP COULD REINSTATE SAFE ZONES. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY COULD DO THAT BUT I WOULD DEFINITELY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT BP SHOULD MAYBE GIVE SOME PEOPLE SOME THOUGHTS ON THAT. I HAD I HAD AN IDEA YOU KNOW, I DON'T I PERSONALLY DON'T EVER WANT SOMEBODY WHO WAS A MEMBER OF THIS ENFORCEMENT ACTION TO WORK AT BP. EVER HAVING A JOB IN OUR CITY UNDER THAT REGARD. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S LEGAL. BUT I, I REALLY WANT TO NEVER SEE SOMEBODY WHO IS WILLING TO DO THIS TO SUPPORT OUR COMMUNITY. LIKE I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S OUR VALUES. ALL THAT HAVING BEEN SAID, I WOULD ALSO LOVE MR. MAYOR, MAYBE BEFORE THE END OF TONIGHT FOR YOU TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CITY'S FOR SAFE AND STABLE COMMUNITIES STUFF THAT JUST ANNOUNCED TODAY BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF WE KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO THERE. BUT I KNOW THAT YOU WERE JOINED BY LOTS OF FOLKS IN THAT REGARD AND I THINK WE DIDN'T MENTION IT'S EXPLICITLY TOO MUCH WHEN WE WERE TALKING WITH THE GROUP. BUT SO TO ELABORATE ON THAT, IF YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY THE THING THAT I I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION, RIGHT? MY PERSONAL THOUGHTS I THINK PEOPLE KNOW WHERE I STAND ON THIS. IT'S A BLACK HISTORY MONTH STARTED TODAY AND THERE'S A LESBIAN POET BY THE NAME OF AUDRE LORDE WHO SAID IN 1984 YOUR SILENCE WILL NOT PROTECT YOU. SHE WAS SAYING THAT BECAUSE STAYING SILENT ABOUT ONE'S IDENTITY OR OPPRESSION AND SHE WAS SPECIFICALLY TALKING TO THE LGBTQ PLUS COMMUNITY OF WHICH I AM A MEMBER DOESN'T BRING YOU SAFETY. IT DOES NOT BRING YOU SAFETY. SHE CALLS FOR VISIBILITY, ACTIVE RESISTANCE AND SPEAKING UP AGAINST INJUSTICES AND SHE DOES THAT BECAUSE SHE KNOWS THAT BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN TO PEOPLE REGARDLESS. SO YOUR CHOICES ARE WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN CREATE VISIBILITY AS A CRUCIAL WAY OF MAKING SURVIVAL AND LIBERATION POSSIBLE AND SO AS SOMEBODY WHO SITS NOT IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY AS WE START BLACK HISTORY MONTH BUT CERTAINLY IN THE COMMUNITY, I FEEL A KINSHIP TO THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE RIGHT NOW TO PROTECT BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE. AND I, I WANT PEOPLE TO JUST KNOW THAT I'M WITH THEM AND I WANT TO THANK THEM DESPERATELY FOR SHOWING UP TONIGHT AND I WANT THEM TO KEEP SHOWING UP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS. >> I WILL CALL AND HE DOESN'T GO OUT ON THE LINE. CAN YOU TURN YOUR MICROPHONE, PLEASE PATRICK? THANK YOU. IT DOESN'T GO ALONG THE LINES WITH WHATEVER EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE COMMENTING HERE BUT I'M GOING TO SAY AS A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER IS SPEAK IN FROM CONVICTION. OUR CITY THRIVES ON LAW AND ORDER. TODAY I ADDRESS THE VITAL ROLES OF ICE IN ENFORCING FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAWS, FIGHTING HUMAN TRAFFICKING, DISMANTLING DRUG CARTELS AND REMOVING DANGEROUS CRIMINALS. IN MINNESOTA, ICE HAS ARRESTED INDIVIDUALS TIGHT TIED TO ASSAULT, DRUG DISTRIBUTION AND HOMICIDE. REAL THREATS TO OUR COMMUNITIES. I AM TROUBLED BY OUR GOVERNOR AND POLICIES LIMITING ICE COOPERATION LIKE SANCTUARY DECLARATIONS WHICH FOSTER LAWLESSNESS ERODE TRUST AND STRAIN LOCAL RESOURCES. THIS IS AN ACT OF COMPASSION. IT IS CHAOS. MEANWHILE, MANY MINNESOTANS QUIETLY SUPPORT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S EFFORTS BUT FEAR SPEAKING UP PUBLICLY, BELIEVING IT COULD RUIN THEIR LIVES. I ADVOCATE COMPASSIONATE ENFORCEMENT WELCOMING LEGAL IMMIGRANTS WHILE HOLDING LAWBREAKERS ACCOUNTABLE. WE MUST COLLABORATE WITH ICE TO KEEP MINNESOTA'S MANY MINNESOTA SAFE ALLOWING OUR OFFICERS TO FOCUS ON LOCAL PRIORITIES. MINNESOTANS SHOULD REJECT DIVISION AND RECOMMIT TO LAW AND ORDER. SUPPORT ICE. HOLD LEADERS ACCOUNTABLE AND BUILD A SAFER FUTURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER COUNCIL COUNCILMEMBER NELSON. YEAH. THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST I'D LIKE TO ECHO THE THANKS TO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT CAME HERE. IT WAS VERY POWERFUL, VERY MOVING. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE ALL EXPERIENCE THIS IN DIFFERENT WAYS AND TO HEAR HOW YOU GUYS ARE EXPERIENCING IT WAS VERY HELPFUL AS A DECISION MAKER. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. I NEVER THOUGHT THERE'D BE A TIME IN MY LIFE WHERE MY KIDS CARRIED THEIR PASSPORT CARD WITH THEM NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE BLACK OR BROWN BUT BECAUSE THEY HAVE FRIENDS WHO ARE BECAUSE THEY HAVE COWORKERS THAT ARE WHITE. ICE IS DOING IN OUR COMMUNITY IS ABSOLUTELY HORRENDOUS. THE ABSOLUTE VIOLATION OF OUR COMMUNITY TO SEND IN MASKED ARMED PARAMILITARY UNTRAINED UNQUALIFIED PEOPLE IS IS ASTONISHING. AND TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS IS ABSOLUTELY UNCONSCIONABLE IN MY MIND. THE REALITY IS I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO THANK OUR BLOOMINGTON POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR THEIR EXTRAORDINARY PROFESSIONALISM ,FOR THE FACT THAT THEY DO GO AFTER THE BAD PEOPLE AND NOT JUST INDISCRIMINATELY GO AFTER ANYBODY THAT LOOKS A CERTAIN WAY. THEY GO AFTER THE BAD PEOPLE. AND YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK CHIEF HODGES FOR HIS LEADERSHIP AND CULTURE A CULTURE OF RESPECT THAT HE HAS INSTITUTED HERE AND A CULTURE OF PROFESSIONALISM AND SOME VIDEOS THAT THAT TALK ABOUT THE ORANGE JUMPSUIT DISTRICT PEOPLE KNOW WITH THROUGHOUT THE REGION THAT DON'T COMMIT CRIME IN BLOOMINGTON BECAUSE WE HAVE THE PEOPLE THAT WILL ENFORCE IT. WE WILL WE HAVE THE PEOPLE THAT WILL LOOK INTO IT. AND SO I FIND IT DISTINCTLY TROUBLING WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT WE HAVE TO GET BACK TO ENFORCING LAW AND ORDER WHEN WE'RE HERE IN BLOOMINGTON WHERE WE DO ALREADY DO THAT. I FIND IT DISTINCTLY TROUBLING WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THERE SHOULD BE COLLABORATION WHEN IT'S NOT THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT THAT'S NOT COLLABORATING IT'S THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT SENT IN POORLY TRAINED UNPROFESSIONAL PEOPLE TO TRY TO ACT LIKE THEIR LAW ENFORCEMENT WHEN THEY'RE NOT. THEY HAVE NO ACCOUNTABILITY ABSOLUTELY 100%. WE SHOULD HAVE LAW AND ORDER ABSOLUTELY 100%. WE SHOULD GO AFTER THE WORST OF THE WORST. LET'S DO THAT AND LET'S STOP THE NONSENSE THAT WE HAVE SEEN WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. I APPRECIATE COUNCILMEMBER D'ALESSANDRO POINTS OF ALL THE THINGS I HAVE A WHOLE LIST PUT TOGETHER. I'M SURE STAFF DOES. I THINK A LOT OF GREAT RECOMMENDATIONS FROM FOLKS AND I ALSO WANT TO ADDRESS JUST THE IT IS IMPORTANT THE WORDS THAT WE USED AND MAYBE THE WORDS THAT I'VE USED RIGHT HERE AND NOW WEREN'T THE PERFECT WORDS. I'M ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN OF THAT. BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE WORDS THAT HAVE BEEN USED BY OUR STATE AND LOCAL PEOPLE, THEY HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE THAT THEIR COMMUNITIES ARE HAVING AND THE ANGER AND THE PASSION ABOUT IT AND THEY HAVE SAID ACT PEACEABLY, ACT LAWFULLY. WE HAVE A FEW PEOPLE MAYBE GOING A LITTLE BIT OVER THE LINE. OF COURSE THAT HAPPENS UNFORTUNATELY ON THE FLIP SIDE ,WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT SAY THERE IS GOING TO BE RHETORIC . BUCSHON IF YOU DON'T OBEY US THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT CALL SOMEBODY A DOMESTIC TERRORIST BECAUSE HE'S TRYING TO HELP A WOMAN UP. THESE ARE THE TYPES OF I'M FLAM AMATORY WORDS THAT ARE ACTUALLY BEING SPOKEN TO SO TO TALK ABOUT STATE AND LOCAL LEADERS BEING THE INFLAMMATORY ONES IS IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG. WITH ALL THAT SAID, I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT WE DO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT AND I'M A VERY PRAGMATIC PERSON WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT IS GOING TO WORK, WHAT IS GOING TO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY. AND SO I SO MUCH APPRECIATE THE VICE THE ADVICE OF OUR CHIEF OF POLICE, OF OUR CITY MANAGER OF OUR MAYOR AND AND I APPRECIATE ALL OF THE WORK THAT PEOPLE DON'T SEE THAT THE AMAZING WORK THAT THAT IS GOING ON IN THIS COMMUNITY WHEN YOU'RE SAYING AND I AND I HEAR YOU I FEEL THAT MYSELF LIKE WE'RE NOT DOING ENOUGH WE'RE NOT DOING SOMETHING BUT WE ARE AN END AND THEY ARE AND A LOT OF IT'S BACK CHANNEL A LOT OF IT'S QUIET A LOT OF IT IS THAT TO JUST MOVE THE NEEDLE I PROBABLY TOOK UP WAY TOO MUCH TIME. I'M SORRY MARION BUT THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AND THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER COUNCILMEMBER LOGAN THANK YOU MAYOR. I WROTE DOWN SOME OF MY REMARKS HERE. YOU KNOW, I SUGGEST YOU KNOW, WORKING TASK FORCE TO DRIVE THIS FORWARD QUICKLY INCLUDING SCHOOL BOARD COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS BUSINESS LEADERS, CITY COUNCIL AND SO MANY OTHERS. I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL AS WE MOVE TO THIS PIECE AFRICAN AFRICAN-AMERICAN HISTORY MONTH. LONA IN MY VIEW YOU'RE PART OF THE COMMUNITY. THE UNITED STATES SENATOR I WORKED FOR HAVE ONCE SAID IF WE DON'T FIGHT HARD ENOUGH FOR THE THINGS WE STAND FOR, AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE DON'T REALLY STAND FOR THEM. YOU KNOW, JANET CHALLENGED ME ON THAT IN OUR BLOOMINGTON BOARD TOMORROW TOGETHER IT STATES THAT SAFETY AND SECURITY ARE CRITICAL COMPONENTS OF A RESILIENT AND HEALTHY COMMUNITY. IT'S A DIFFICULT AND A DELICATE BALANCE AN APPROACH THAT OUR MAYOR IS WALKING FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE FEARFUL OF WHAT A STRONGER STANCE MAY MEAN FOR THOSE WHO LOOK LIKE ME BUT I AM COMMITTED TO THE MISSION OF CULTIVATING IN AN ENDURING AND REMARKABLE COMMUNITY WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO BE. BUT THERE IS IN THAT A BALANCE THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER AS POLICYMAKERS. A COMMUNITY IS NOT REMARKABLE IF PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF CRIME . IN ADDITION, A COMMUNITY IS ALSO NOT REMARKABLE IF PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF THE SYSTEM THAT'S MEANT TO PROTECT THEM. AND SO WE ALSO SAY THAT WE'RE CONNECTED WELCOMING COMMUNITY BUT THEN IF WE ARE SILENT THEN WE'RE ALSO IN THAT SAME PARADIGM AND SO WE ARE FORCED TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING AND AND SO WHAT I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THERE'S MANY OF THE MEMBERS THAT ARE ON THIS COUNCIL TODAY AND PREVIOUS COUNCILS HAVE THEIR RESPECTFUL HISTORICAL UNDERPINNINGS OF HAVING MILITARY SERVICE IN THEIR BACKGROUND AND ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT I'VE KIND OF LOOKED AT AND LOOKED UP TO IS GENERAL MARK MILLEY BORN ON JUNE 20TH, 1958, A RETIRED FOUR STAR U.S. ARMY GENERAL WHO SERVED AS A 20TH CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF FROM 19 FROM 2019 TO 2023. THAT WAS THE NATION'S HIGHEST RANKING MILITARY OFFICER AND HE SAID AS HE RETIRED WE ARE UNIQUE AMONG THE WORLD'S ARMIES. WE ARE UNIQUE AMONG THE WORLD'S MILITARIES. WE DON'T TAKE AN OATH TO A COUNTRY. WE DON'T TAKE AN OATH TO A TRIBE. WE DON'T TAKE AN OATH TO A RELIGION. WE DON'T TAKE AN OATH TO A KING OR QUEEN OR A TYRANT OR DICTATOR. AND HE GOES ON AND SAYS OTHER THINGS THAT I WON'T COMMENT HERE BUT THEN HE SAYS THAT WE DON'T TAKE AN OATH TO AN INDIVIDUAL. WE TAKE AN OATH TO THE CONSTITUTION AND WE TAKE AN OATH TO AN IDEA THAT IS AMERICA AND WE'RE WILLING TO DIE TO PROTECT IT. THAT DOCUMENT THE CONSTITUTION IS OUR NORTH STAR. IT IS A MAP TO A BETTER FUTURE. IT IS THAT DOCUMENT THAT ALL OF US IN UNIFORM SWEAR TO PROTECT AND DEFEND AGAINST ALL ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC. THAT HAS BEEN TRUE ACROSS GENERATIONS AND WE IN THE UNIFORM ARE WILLING TO DIE TO PASS THAT DOCUMENT ON TO THE NEXT GENERATION, SAID GENERAL MARK MILLEY. AND SO I THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO, MAYOR AND YOU KNOW YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH THAT THAT CEREMONY RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF THAT PODIUM WHERE WE'VE ALL TAKEN THAT THAT OATH IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. AND I JUST WANT TO ASSURE THAT ,YOU KNOW, JUST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AND I'VE SEEN EACH AND EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT'S UP HERE, YOU KNOW, TAKE THAT OATH AND I WANT TO BELIEVE THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF BLOOMINGTON RESIDENTS AND THOSE WHO RESIDE HERE THAT WE WILL BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THAT CONSTITUTION THAT HAS BEEN HANDED DOWN TO US. AND IT MAY BE DIFFICULT THOSE PERSPECTIVES BY WHICH THAT THEY LOOK AT THAT CONSTITUTION. BUT WE ARE A REMARKABLE COMMUNITY AND THAT'S WHY I WANT TO BE HERE TO BE A PART OF THAT DISCUSSION. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU ONCE PREMIER MOMENT COUNCILMEMBER ROBERTSON THANK YOU MAYOR. I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW I WON'T BE NEARLY AS ELOQUENT AS MY COLLEAGUES HAVE BEEN ON THIS EXTRAORDINARILY IMPORTANT ISSUE. BUT I TOO WANT TO THANK ALL OF THE RESIDENTS WHO CAME OUT TONIGHT WHO LISTENED ON THE PHONE, WHO TALKED AMONGST THEIR NEIGHBORS WHO EVEN IF THEY WEREN'T HERE TONIGHT ARE TALKING TO THEIR NEIGHBORS ABOUT IT NOW AS A BRAND NEW COUNCIL PERSON WHO'S BEEN HERE FOR ALL OF THREE WEEKS, I CERTAINLY DIDN'T EXPECT THAT WE WOULD BE DEALING WITH OUTRIGHT FASCISM THE FIRST MONTH OF MY FOUR YEAR TERM. BUT HERE WE ARE AND I'M HONORED TO BE SERVING WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE UP HERE AND I COULDN'T HAVE ASKED FOR A BETTER GROUP OF FOLKS. WE HEARD SO MANY WONDERFUL IDEAS TONIGHT FROM RESIDENTS RESOLUTIONS AND STAGING BAN MASKS MAKE SURE PEOPLE WEAR BODY CAMS. I LOVE THE IDEA THAT WAS BROUGHT FORTH BY THE UNIONS ABOUT SUSPENDING LIQUOR LICENSES FOR HOTELS THAT ARE CHOOSING TO HOUSE ICE. I THINK THAT OUR RESIDENTS ARE FULL OF POTENTIAL AN IDEAS AND LOVE AND KINDNESS AND FULL OF ENERGY TO PUT FORTH INTO THE COMMUNITY TO PROTECT EACH OTHER. THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. WE ALSO WE HEARD FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE TERRIFIED RIGHT? I HAVE SOMEONE IN MY HOME WHO CARRIES THEIR PASSPORT EVERYWHERE THEY GO ALL THE TIME. I WON'T LET THEM LEAVE THE HOUSE WITHOUT IT. RIGHT. IT'S SCARY. IT'S REALLY, REALLY SCARY. AND I HEAR PEOPLE SAY WELL OBEY AND IT'LL BE FINE. JUST DO WHAT THEY TELL YOU AND IT'LL BE FINE. OBEY AND I WON'T HURT YOU IS WHAT THEY SAY TO HOSTAGES. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE SAY TO RESIDENTS. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE SAY TO OUR NEIGHBORS. YOU KNOW, IF YOU JUST OBEY THEN I'LL STOP IS WHAT ABUSERS SAY. THAT'S NOT WHAT LAW ENFORCEMENT SHOULD BE SAYING TO ITS RESIDENTS. RIGHT. AND TO BE VERY CLEAR, I WANT TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE ACTIONS OF ICE AND THE ACTIONS OF BLOOMINGTON POLICE WHO ARE WELL TRAINED, WHO ARE NOT THE SAME AGENCY AND WE SHOULD GET ICE OUT OF BPD D'S WAY SO THAT BLOOMINGTON POLICE CAN CONTINUE TO KEEP OUR RESIDENTS SAFE AND DO THE JOBS THAT WE PAY THEM TO DO RIGHT AND THAT THEY'RE TRAINED TO DO. I HEARD RESIDENTS SAY THREE THINGS TOO MANY, MANY THINGS BUT THREE THINGS TONIGHT I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT THEY'RE ASKING US TO BE LEADERS, NOT FOLLOWERS. RIGHT. AND SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO BE REALLY BRAVE AND I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT EVERYONE UP HERE CAN BE REALLY BRAVE. I BELIEVE IN US AND WE CAN DO THAT AND ANOTHER THING SOMEONE SAID WAS THAT WE ARE MADE FOR THESE TIMES AND I GOT A CHILL IN MY SPINE WHEN I HEARD THAT BECAUSE WE ARE WE ARE MADE FOR THESE TIMES WE WERE PUT HERE. I AM A BIG BELIEVER IN FATE. WE'RE HERE FOR A REASON RIGHT NOW THERE'S A REASON YOU'RE LISTENING TO ME BABBLE ALL OF THIS AT YOU RIGHT NOW AND IT'S BECAUSE WE ARE MADE FOR THESE TIMES AND WE CAN DO THIS. THE LAST THING IS ONE OF THE SPEAKERS TONIGHT ASKED THAT OR SAID LET US CONTINUE TO BE EXCELLENT TO EACH OTHER AND WHAT A BEAUTIFUL THING FOR NEIGHBORS TO STILL THINK AFTER HOWEVER MANY WEEKS OF THIS NIGHTMARE OCCURRING IN OUR CITY. IT NEEDS TO END FOR ANYONE WHO'S UNFAMILIAR, MY PERSONAL VIEWS IS THAT WE SHOULD ABOLISH ICE FOR THE BELIEVE IT'S A REDUNDANT AGENCY. THEY'RE DOING THIS WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS AND IT'S UNSAFE AND UNNECESSARY AND IT'S NOT HELPING ANYONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. >> COUNCIL MEMBER THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER CARTER IT'S SO FUN GOING LAST YEAR IT SAID ALL THE GOOD STUFF. >> NO I DO WANT TO ECHO THE THANKS THE APPRECIATION FOR OUR COMMUNITY FOR EVERYBODY WHO CAME TODAY, FOR THE PEOPLE WHO STOOD UP AND SPOKE. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT OTHERS ON COUNCIL BUT I BEFORE BEING COUNCIL I WOULD COME AND TESTIFY EVERY ONCE IN AWHILE AND THAT IS JUST ONE OF THE MOST TERRIFYING THINGS TO DO AND SO REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY WHO SHOWED UP TONIGHT TO SHARE THEIR OPINIONS TO EVERYBODY WHO HAS EMAILED US AND REALLY JUST PROBABLY MOST IMPORTANTLY TO EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY WHO ARE JUST DOING SO MUCH FROM DONATING MONEY TO DONATING FOOD TO MAKING DELIVERIES AND DRIVING PEOPLE AND CHECKING ON THEIR NEIGHBORS. I MEAN IT'S I COULDN'T I COULD NOT BE MORE PROUD TO BE A BLOOMINGTON RESIDENT AND I DO BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE AN INCREDIBLY REMARKABLE COMMUNITY FILLED WITH LOVING AND SUPPORTIVE PEOPLE AND SO I ,I ALSO ENCOURAGE THOSE WHO CAME TODAY AND THOSE WHO ARE LISTENING AND EVERYBODY IN OUR COMMUNITY CONTINUE TO SHOW UP, CONTINUE TO SPEAK YOUR VOICE, CONTINUE TO HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE. I YOU KNOW, I THINK EVERYBODY KIND OF SHARED SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE SAID AND YOU KNOW, I DID HEAR SOME FRUSTRATION AND SOME FRUSTRATION BECAUSE THEY FELT LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WEREN'T DOING ENOUGH. AND I WILL BE HONEST AND I I HAVEN'T BEEN SHY ABOUT IT. I'VE HAD MY OWN FRUSTRATION AND FEELING LIKE WE COULD BE DOING MORE. WE SHOULD BE SEEING MORE WE SHOULD BE SAYING THINGS DIFFERENTLY. BUT I DO I DO BELIEVE THAT WE'RE IN A IT'S A REALLY IT'S A TOUGH POSITION THAT WE'RE IN. RIGHT? WE WANT TO BE HERE FOR OUR COMMUNITY. WE WANT TO DO ALL THOSE THINGS AND WE WANT TO BE SUPER STRATEGIC AND THOUGHTFUL AND AND THINK YOU KNOW, REALLY CAREFULLY ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING AND SO I WANT TO THANK OUR BLOOMINGTON POLICE, OUR CITY LEADERSHIP, THE MAYOR THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS HAPPENING, A LOT OF COALITION BUILDING, REACHING OUT TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE AT DIFFERENT LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT, A LOT OF WORK BEHIND THE SCENES. AND SO I THINK AS WE MOVE FORWARD, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO DO A MUCH BETTER JOB OF COMMUNICATING WITH OUR COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT WE ARE DOING AND OBVIOUSLY I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME STRATEGY THINGS AND THERE'S THINGS THAT'S PROBABLY NOT VERY STRATEGIC TO SHARE ALL THE DETAILS ABOUT BUT PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW THAT WE ARE NOT BEING SILENT THAT WE ARE NOT BEING COMPLICIT AND THAT'S THE WORST FEELING RIGHT IS SITTING UP HERE AND FEELING LIKE WE ARE BEING COMPLICIT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SAYING ENOUGH OR DOING ENOUGH. AND SO THAT IS ONE THING THAT I REALLY, REALLY URGE US TO DO BETTER AT BOTH YOU KNOW, AS A CITY FROM OUR COMMUNICATIONS TEAM, FROM THE MAYOR, CITY MANAGER BUT ALSO EACH ONE OF US INDIVIDUALLY WE ALL HAVE FACEBOOK PAGES ON YOU KNOW, OUR CITY COUNCIL FACEBOOK PAGES. I HONESTLY LIKE TO TEST FACEBOOK. I MEAN REALLY DETEST FACEBOOK BUT I HAVE STILL BEEN TRYING TO GET ON AND MAKE SOME SOME COMMENTS AND AND SHARE WHAT WE'RE DOING AND SO NOT ENOUGH I NEED TO DO BETTER BUT I ENCOURAGE ALL OF US TO BE PART OF THAT SOLUTION. I ALSO WOULD LOVE FOR US AS A NEXT STEP TO KIND OF JUST INVENT EVERYTHING THAT WE HEARD. WHAT ARE THE LOW HANGING FRUIT THINGS THAT STARTING TO BE REALLY EASY FOR US TO DO ADDING MENTAL HEALTH SUPPORT RESOURCES TO THE WEBSITE SUPER EASY. I BET WE CAN DO THAT TOMORROW AND THEN HAVE SOME HAVE A CONVERSATION. LET'S HAVE A STUDY SESSION ON SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE HEARD AND WHAT DO WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AND NOT IN A MONTH BUT LIKE THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING THERE MIGHT BE SOME THINGS THAT WE JUST DON'T HAVE AUTHORITY TO DO AND THERE MIGHT BE SOME THINGS THAT WE DON'T HAVE MAJORITY SUPPORT TO MOVE FORWARD OR WE CAN KIND OF TICK THOSE OFF THE LIST BUT IF THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT WE CAN DO AS A COUNCIL THAT WERE BROUGHT UP TONIGHT, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD REALLY SAY A LOT TO OUR COMMUNITY AND SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD I WOULD RECOMMEND AS A NEXT STEP. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I HAVE. I GUESS I WASN'T SUPER EXPLICIT. I'M NOT I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING. I DON'T WANT ICE IN OUR COMMUNITY IF THEY WERE HERE JUST GETTING THE DANGEROUS CRIMINALS LIKE THEY HAD BEEN FOR YEARS WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS PROBLEM. RIGHT. AND BUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS UNACCEPTABLE AND WE SHOULD BE DOING EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO TO GET THEM OUT HERE. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER AND THANK YOU ALL AND I THINK YOU ALL SAID IT VERY WELL AND AGREE 100% IN THE THANKS TO THE FOLKS WHO CAME FORWARD TONIGHT AGREE 100% IN THE SUPPORT FOR THE WORK THAT THE CITY IS DOING UP AND DOWN THIS TABLE AND ACROSS OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT OR CITY STAFF WITHIN THE CITY ITSELF, THE ORGANIZATION THAT WE HAVE ALL THOSE THINGS I THINK WE'RE DOING A LOT. COUNCILMEMBER, YOU ASKED ABOUT THIS THIS COALITION I THE NAME THEY DIDN'T ASK ME ON THE NAME RIGHT AND I DIDN'T LOG IN QUICKLY ENOUGH ON THE NAME BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF A CUMBERSOME NAME. BUT I MEAN I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I'M GOING TO READ TO YOU WHAT THE STATEMENT IS. I MEAN THE STATEMENT OF OUR COALITION WE'RE A NONPARTISAN PARTIZAN COALITION OF I THINK IT'S RIGHT NOW ABOUT 15 CITIES WORKING TOGETHER TO RESTORE STABILITY, TRUST AND EFFECTIVE LOCAL GOVERNANCE OPERATION METRO SERVE HAS CREATED INSTABILITY THAT STRANGE LOCAL PUBLIC SAFETY RESOURCES AND DISRUPTS LOCAL ECONOMIES AFFECTING BUSINESSES, SCHOOLS AND FAMILIES WELL BEYOND THE TWIN CITIES. WE STAND FOR RULE OF LAW AND RESPECT FOR THE ROLE OF FEDERAL IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT. WE EXPECT FEDERAL LEADERSHIP TO DIRECT AGENCIES IN A WAY THAT RECOGNIZES LOCAL JURISDICTION AND RESPONSIBLE CITIES WHILE RESPECTING THE INTEGRITY OF OUR CITIES AS A WHOLE. WE WE ARE CONCERNED THAT CURRENT ENFORCEMENT APPROACHES MAY RISK UNDERMINING CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTIONS IN PLACE THE CITY'S LEGAL AND OPERATIONAL RISK. WE'RE CALLING FOR IMPROVED COORDINATION GROUNDED IN THE RULE OF LAW, DUE PROCESS AND RESPECT FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS . THERE IS STRENGTH IN NUMBERS WHEN CITIES RISE CONCERN RAISE CONCERNS INDIVIDUALLY THEY CAN BE DISMISSED. A UNIFIED NONPARTISAN COALITION CANNOT. WE'RE URGING IMMEDIATE DE-ESCALATION CLEAR COORDINATION AND RETURN TO THE ABILITY SO CITIES CAN DO THEIR JOBS AND MINNESOTANS CAN FEEL SECURE COMMUNITIES AND THE BASIC THREE TENANTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE ARE TO RESTORE ORDER TRUST AND A SENSE OF NORMALCY TO UPHOLD CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS AND DUE PROCESS AND THAT WE HAVE STRENGTH IN NUMBERS. THE BOTTOM LINE IS THERE'S STRENGTH IN NUMBERS AND THIS IS A GROUP OF CITIES AS I SAID, I THINK IT STARTED OUT LESS THAN TEN, TEN, 11, 12 OR SO AND I THINK SOME CITIES HAVE BEEN ADDING NOW THE CALL IS GOING TO BE FOR ADDITIONAL CITIES TO ADD ON THE MESSAGE WE BROUGHT AND BASICALLY WERE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THIS GROUP WHEN WE WERE IN DC OR LAST WEEK AND ONE OF THE MESSAGES WE BROUGHT WAS THIS IS HAPPENING BEYOND MINNEAPOLIS. MINNEAPOLIS IS THE EPICENTER CERTAINLY BUT WE'RE ALL FEELING IT AND IT'S IT'S AFFECTING ALL OF OUR COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE TWIN CITIES AND WE'RE SEEING IT ON A VERY PERSONAL LEVEL. BUT WE'RE ALSO SEEING ON A VERY ECONOMIC LEVEL I MEAN THE BOTTOM LINE IS IF IF THE GOAL IS TO CRASH THE MINNESOTA ECONOMY, THERE, THEY'RE WELL ON THEIR WAY RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE WELL ON THEIR WAY. SO WE CAN HAVE MORE CONVERSATIONS ON THIS IF THE CITY COUNCIL IS COMFORTABLE BACKING THIS AND MOVING ON MOVING FORWARD FULL STEAM AHEAD, THAT'S GREAT. IF NOT I MEAN IF I HAVE TO DO IT AS SIMPLY A MAYOR AS COALITION, I WILL DO THAT AND THEN SPECIFY VERY CLEARLY THAT THIS IS WHAT I'M DOING. BUT I THINK IT'S IT'S A GOOD MOVE FORWARD AND TO YOUR POINT COUNCILMEMBER ABOUT HOW WE NEED TO IMPROVE COMMUNICATION IS THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WE KIND OF CA TOGETHER WITH THIS. WE NEEDED A UNIFIED MESSAGE AND WITH A MESSAGE THEN WE CAN START ACTIONS WHETHER IT'S YOU KNOW, MAKING THE CONGRESSIONAL STOPS OR DOING A VARIETY OF THINGS AS A GROUP TOGETHER THAT WILL HAVE A BIGGER IMPACT THAN ONE CITY DOING THE ONES WHO CHOOSES THE WHAT'S SO THAT'S THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE WITH THIS GROUP. QUICK QUESTION COUNCIL MEMBER YEAH IT'S A QUICK QUESTION KIND OF TANGENTIAL TO THIS THIS ISSUE HERE. YOU KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS I NOTICED AT THIS PARTICULAR LISTENING SESSION IS OUR USE OF THAT THREE MINUTES. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS WHEN I GOT ON THIS COUNCIL AND ONE OF THE THINGS I NOTICED ABOUT THAT IS HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO SHARE THEIR PERSPECTIVES AND THEIR POINTS OF VIEW AT THIS MEETING. AND I'M WONDERING THERE IF IT MAKES SOME SENSE FOR US TO HAVE ANOTHER LOOK AT THAT. YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN RELUCTANT WE WENT TO THE FIVE MINUTES THINKING, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE A CERTAIN PROBLEM WITH THAT BUT I WONDER IF IT MAKES SENSE FOR US TO BE A LITTLE MORE INCLUSIVE AND LOOK AT THAT THREE MINUTE TIME FRAME AGAIN THAT GIVEN LET'S REMEMBER NELSON THANKS, MARY. YOU WERE YOU LOOKING FOR DIRECTION FOR HER INPUT FROM US OR YES, ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. I WOULD SUPPORT THE ENTIRE CITY BACK IN THE LETTER AND JOINING THE COALITION. I THINK IT'S GOOD. I THINK THERE'S SAFETY IN NUMBERS. I THINK THERE'S ALSOTRENGTH IN NUMBERS AND I THINK WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS FRANKLY VERY COURTEOUS,ERY I MEAN STRAIGHTFORWARD AND I MEAN FOLLOW THE LAW. YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT LAW AND ORDER, LET'S LET'S LET'S DO IT OURSELVES. SO I THINK IT'S GOOD I SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU SO COUNCILMEMBER RIOS, I HAD ALREADY SEEN THAT I GOT THE EMAIL FROM THEM THAT I LIKE I, I I'M YOU KNOW, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO WHAT THE CITY IS DOING. I REALLY AM NOT WHAT I I'M OPPOSED TO IS THE FACT THAT WE LEAVE A LOT OF THIS TOUGH FOR HAS HAD A LOT TO DO WITH THESE ISSUES THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING RIGHT NOW AND WHETHER WE ACCEPT IT OR NOT I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO GET WE GET INTO ARGUMENTS AND ALL THE STUFF WE STILL HAVE WE'RE STILL DOING THE JOB THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING MY MY OPPOSITION TO MAKING STATEMENTS IS THE FACT THAT WE ARE LEAVING A LOT OF STUFF BEHIND. I KNOW AND I'M GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT RIGHT NOW THAT WE ALL DISAGREE ON BUT THINGS GOT WORSE WHEN OUR POLITICIANS STARTED TO MAKE COMMENTS THAT JUST EXCITED TO BAITED THE WHOLE SITUATION IN MY OPINION YOU KNOW I'M NOT EVERYBODY AGREES WITH IT BUT THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE TODAY WHO HAVE SPOKEN AND THEY DIDN'T AND I SPOKE TO A FEW OF THEM BECAUSE THEY WERE AFRAID TO TO MAKE THEIR COMMENTS AND I, I I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THAT I AM TOO AFRAID SOMETIMES I'M RELUCTANT TO MAKE COMMENTS BECAUSE I DON'T LOOK AT MY FACEBOOK PAGE EVER BECAUSE ALL THAT THAT I HEAR IN THERE I READ IN THE PAST IS JUST NOT A GOOD THING AND I'M NOT GOING TO ENGAGE WITH ANYBODY. I JUST LEAVE IT ALONE. IT'S PROBABLY BEEN NINE MONTHS OR MORE SINCE I SEEN MY PAGE BECAUSE ALL THE TWEETS AND ALL THE STUFF THAT I SEE THERE I AND I DON'T FIND IT WORTH IT TO BE LOOKING AT IT. OKAY THAT'S WHY I DON'T EVEN VISIT THE THE PAGE BUT THAT'S MY POINT I YOU KNOW I, I, I THOUGHT THAT COUNCILMAN ROHMAN WAS GOING TO ELABORATE MORE ON WHAT HE WAS SAYING BEING MORE ACCEPTING TO ME THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN BLOOMINGTON PERHAPS MAYBE 40% OF THE PEOPLE IN BLOOMINGTON ARE OF A DIFFERENT VIEW THAT WE DON'T TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION IN EVERYTHING THAT WE DO. AND YOU KNOW AND I CAN SAY THAT BECAUSE I THINK I REPRESENT A LOT OF THAT 40% MYSELF HERE WITH THE OPINIONS THAT I THAT I BRING FORTH. SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE FORGETTING ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE AND THAT'S SOMETIMES PUTS US IN A PUTS US IN A POSITION THAT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR ISSUES LIKE THE ONE WE'RE EXPERIENCING RIGHT NOW TO BE DEALT WITH IN A IN A QUICKER, MORE EFFICIENT WAY BECAUSE THERE'S THAT OPPOSITION THAT IS HIDING BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AND HE HAS A LOT TO SAY AND HE'S OUT THERE AND HE'S GOING OUT AND DID YOU KNOW LIKE I I DON'T WANT TO BRING STUDIES MEMORY AND I MY MY GOAL WAS HERE TO GIVE EVERYBODY A YES TO TALK AND JUST TO KIND OF YOU KNOW, EXPRESS YOURSELVES AND WHAT I DON'T WANT TO SEE BECAUSE IF WE START THIS VICTOR, WE'RE GOING BE HERE TILL MIDNIGHT AGAIN. YEAH. AND I YOU'RE GOING TO QUICK SAY THIS THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT I FEEL MISREPRESENTED HERE IN THE CITY. OKAY. AND THEN WE'RE NOT TAKING THEM INTO ACCOUNT AND WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY THERE WERE QUITE A LOT OF THEM TOO. THEY HERE THEY DIDN'T SAY A WORD. MAYBE 2 OR 3 SAID SOMETHING A LOT OF THEM WERE AND YOU KNOW, THEY ARE AFRAID TO SPEAK. AND LET'S FACE IT WHEN I WHEN I SAY THESE YOU KNOW, MY WIFE USED TO TEXT TO ME AND SAYS WHY DO YOU HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING? YOU KNOW, I'M AFRAID THAT SOMEBODY'S GOING TO TRY TO HURT THE DOGS OR HER AND WHATEVER I IS POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF WHAT I SEE ON FACEBOOK AND THE COMMENTS THAT COME UP AGAINST ME. YEAH IT'S POSSIBLE. I'M NOT AFRAID BUT I'M RELUCTANT TO SAY STUFF SOMETIMES. BUT WHY WHY SHOULD I BE RELUCTANT TO SAY WHAT I WANT? MY OPINION IS THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO. I MEAN IF WE ARE AND I APPRECIATE AND THAT'S WHY AND THAT'S WHY WE HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY I WANTED TO MAKE SURE ANYWAY I DO SUPPORT THE YOU KNOW WHAT I SAW THERE MANY CAME UP EARLIER OR ALL I'LL KEEP YOU UPDATED AS TO WHERE WE END UP WITH YEAH AND I HAVE A QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT TO MAKE IF I MAY IF I MAY IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT LET'S LET'S PUT A BOW ON WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND THEN I'LL LET YOU DO THAT AND THEN LET'S LET'S WE DON'T NEED TO THE ONLY COMMENT I WOULD MAKE, MR. MAYOR IF I MAY IS IF ANYBODY FELT THAT THE WHOLE REASON WE DIDN'T ASK FOR PEOPLE TO CLAP OR BOO OR ANYTHING THEY SAID WAS BECAUSE WE WANTED DECORUM IN THIS ROOM AND THERE WERE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE HERE WHO MIGHT HAVE COME UP HERE TONIGHT AND SAID SOMETHING THAT I ABHORRENTLY LIKE DISAGREE WITH BUT I SAT AND LISTENED TO THEM. NOBODY SHOULD BE AFRAID TO COME TO COUNCIL AND SPEAK. THEY WANT WHAT THEY WANT TO SAY. WE HAVE A FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT. THE WHOLE PROBLEM WITH THIS WITH THIS SURGERY NOW IS PEOPLE'S FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS ARE BEING SUPPRESSED SO IF YOU FELT LIKE THAT TO NIGHT BECAUSE OF THE SITUATION YOU WERE IN, THEN MAYBE YOU CAN HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A THOUGHT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY FEELING LIKE THAT IN THEIR DAILY LIVES RIGHT NOW BECAUSE BECAUSE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS ARE BEING TRAMPLED ON IN THE CITIES. RIGHT. ALL OVER THE CITY. SO I JUST PUT IT OUT THERE. I HAVE MET WITH SO MANY PEOPLE THAT DISAGREE WITH ME IN THE FOUR YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL. IN FACT SOMEBODY WROTE ME TONIGHT I'VE OFFERED TO MEET WITH THEM. I WILL ALWAYS SHOW UP AND MEET WITH YOU. I DO NOT HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU TO BE YOUR COUNCIL MEMBER. I DO NOT HAVE TO. SO FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, ANYBODY WHO MIGHT HAVE BEEN HERE TONIGHT WHO FELT LIKE THEY SHOULD TALK TO SOMEBODY BESIDES VICTOR AND WANT TO GET THEIR CONCERNS ADDRESSED THEY'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO CALL ME. I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO LISTEN. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER. LET'S PUT A LET'S PUT A BOW ON THIS. WHAT ARE YOU ASKING COUNCIL MEMBER SO SHAWN BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT AND YOU ASKED EARLIER DO YOU WANT US TO SUPPORT YOU DOING THAT FOR THE WHOLE COUNCIL TONIGHT? I MEAN ONE OF THE CRITICISMS OF THAT WHAT WE DO KNOW AND I THINK WE HAD TO DO THAT TONIGHT KNOW YOU KNOW JENNY, YOU KEEP SAYING HEY, WE'RE NOT MOVING FAST ENOUGH. HERE'S ME TRYING TO PUSH A LITTLE FASTER. SO I'M LIKE GO AHEAD, ASK FOR ACTION. YEP TOTALLY. THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. I'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE THAT WE AS A COUNCIL SUPPORT YOU AND WE ALSO SUPPORT TRAFFIC THE COALITION OF COALITION YEAH WE WILL GET IT AND YOU GET YOU GUYS CAN FIGURE OUT THE LANGUAGE THAT THE CITY'S FOR SAFE AND STABLE COMMUNITIES IS WHAT THEY'RE CALLING FOR A MOTION WE HAVE A SECOND THINK WE GOT A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER ROBERTSON THAT'S MEMBER I WILL SUPPORT THIS MAYOR BECAUSE I TRUST YOU. I HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING ON THIS. OH OKAY. SO I MEAN I WOULD LOVE TO LIKE LEARN MORE ABOUT IT AND WHAT'S GOOD AND I'LL ASK ARE I MEAN I AGAIN, I TRUST YOU. I, I BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE REPRESENTING THE VALUES OF THE COUNCIL AND THE CITY AND OUR STRATEGIC PLAN AND ALL OF THAT. SO I WILL SUPPORT IT BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE I WILL SHARE ALL THE DOCUMENTATION THAT I HAVE AND WE'LL DO THAT BECAUSE COUNCILMEMBER ROBERTSON I PROMISE IT'S VERY BRIEF. I WOULD JUST ASK ANYONE LISTENING AND ANYONE UP ON THE COUNCIL WE HAD A RESIDENT TODAY ASK IF WE WOULD JOIN THEM IN LIGHTING A WHITE CANDLE FROM 530 TO 6 P.M. ON WEDNESDAY FEBRUARY 4TH ON THE CORNER OF YOUR ROAD TO SUPPORT OUR NEIGHBORS IN OUR COUNTRY. I WILL BE DOING THAT AND I WOULD ASK MY NEIGHBORS AND FELLOW COUNCIL PEOPLE TO DO THAT AS WELL. >> THANK YOU. OKAY, WE'VE GOT A MOTION IN A SECOND TO TO SUPPORT THE COALITION AND THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING WITH THAT FOR FOR BLOOMINGTON TO JUMP IN AND SET WITH THAT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH RICHIE ADD SOMETHING QUICK YEAH I'M YEAH I WAS ELECTED FOR THAT NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES SAFETY AND HOLD ON ONE SECOND FOR THE CRIME PREVENTION AND SAFETY FERRELL ADVOCACY MEMBER GOOD WORK BUT WE'RE COMING. THANK YOU. AND THEN THIS IS MORE OF LESS STAFF. IT WAS GIVEN TO ME ABOUT A SIGN ON 89TH AND 88 AND PENN AVENUE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE HEARD OF BUT I HAVEN'T BEEN IN THAT AREA MYSELF. BUT SO OKAY WE DOWN THERE TO DO ALL RIGHT MANAGER COUNCIL ANOTHER ANOTHER FULL AND GOOD AND I THINK PRODUCTIVE EVENING WITH US ALL TONIGHT AND THANK YOU ALL SO VERY MUCH FOR IT WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE OFFICIALLY NEED TO DO COMPLETED I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN TONIGHT SO MOVE SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER REID, SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO TO ADJOURN TONIGHT. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO AGAIN COUNCIL THANK YOU STAFF WHO HELPED TO KEEP ALL OF THIS MOVING TONIGHT THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR ALL OF THE WORK THAT YOU DID ON THIS. THIS IS A BIGGIE AND AS WE HAVE SAID MANY TIMES, THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY WHO PARTICIPATED TONIGHT IT'S IT'S BEEN TO TURN OUT SHOWS THAT BLOOMINGTON IS QUITE THE COMMUNITY SO THANK YOU ALL THE REST YOUR WEEK